From mgruenthal at mac.com  Sun Nov  1 07:27:12 2015
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 07:27:12 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrEE0-8tejhVBrzp2OB7tdO0gs1M+rXAyPA2+2PGpDHEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<CAKCLKtrEE0-8tejhVBrzp2OB7tdO0gs1M+rXAyPA2+2PGpDHEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF779C02-5F47-4567-92D4-B9E730093AB3@mail.amc.edu>

Think bigger (or smaller). Your computer is in your pocket. It connects wirelessly and adapts to the display and input devices around you. Until that happens, merging OS X and iOS won?t work. They are close enough (under the hood) that there?s no real impediment to merging them now, but there isn?t a device yet that will provide an end user experience that?s up to Cupertino standards. I?m sure that a merged OS exists, but we won?t see it until the hardware is ready. Look at what Apple is doing with size classes in Xcode. It?s not just about the iPad Pro.




On 10/31/15, 5:32 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

>I didn't mean to imply that Apple's (future, potential) effort would ape
>Microsoft's work. I just listed MS's effort because it's a concrete example
>of the issues I see.
>
>The rest of your post seems to be implying that your version of a hybrid OS
>would largely resemble iOS, but with some extensions included to support
>trackpads. I still question the viability of such a thing, but it would at
>least not suffer from some of the glaring (to me, obviously, since at least
>millions of people seem perfectly happy with their Surfaces running Win10)
>usability failures -- like Excel, which (last time I checked, which was
>pre-Win10) had many interface elements that were 90% unusable without a
>trackpad (or stylus).
>
>So if Apple releases a touch-sensitive laptop that flips over to become a
>tablet, runs something fairly close to iOS, but with the ability to run
>something like LiveCode on it, I'd definitely consider it.
>
>Which makes me curious: LiveCode notwithstanding, are there iOS app
>equivalents for most categories at this point? Audacity, Balsamiq,
>Photoshop, Jira, etc., etc.?
>
>gc
>
>On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just wish Apple would hurry up and announce the merger of OS X and
>> >> iOS....
>> >>
>> >
>> > Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen
>> > what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a
>> > usability mess.
>>
>> When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does?
>>
>> Apple's desktop OS has always been distinguished from Microsoft's, their
>> mobile OS is very different from Microsoft's; there's no reason to believe
>> a convergence design would become the one area where Apple feels the need
>> to start emulating Microsoft.
>>
>>
>> > Touch and trackpad/mouse are too far apart to share a UI.
>>
>> They are very different, yet consider the capabilities of the iPad and the
>> popularity of docking keyboards for them.  Apple even makes one themselves
>> now.
>>
>> By docking a keyboard you get half your screen back and a much better
>> typing experience.  At the point the device ergonomics are already like a
>> laptop, with one serious downside: the "gorilla arm" Steve Jobs discussed
>> as a problem with using touch screens with laptops.
>>
>> Touch is great for convenience, but pointers are great for precision.
>> Neither is best in all circumstances; both are excellent for their own
>> respective tasks.
>>
>> Why not put a trackpad on the docking keyboard, and have the best of both?
>>
>> Just as the Outbound predated the first Mac portable, someone's already
>> shipping a docking keyboard for the iPad that has a trackpad:
>> <
>> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/crux-loaded-case-almost-turns-your-ipad-into-a-laptop-for-250/
>> >
>>
>> The alternative to an OS design that can gracefully adapt to different
>> input modes is a requirement to carry both an iPad and a Macbook, one for
>> convenience tasks and the other for when you're doing any serious work like
>> typing or graphics - or risk "gorilla arm" with a docking keyboard that has
>> no trackpad.
>>
>> Anyone who believes Apple is unable to produce a great convergence design
>> underestimates them, and overlooks a long and distinguished history of
>> excellence where others look clumsy.
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  ____________________________________________________________________
>>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
>>
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 09:20:18 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:20:18 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <563524ED.7070406@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net>
	<CANQHZSEnFMpcLYetebrB49kGE3_3NS_gHk7SUMGvXdgXO4QxAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com>
	<56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC173642-48FC-46FE-98E2-0114DB7FAF0A@gmail.com>
	<56351D75.9010509@gmail.com>
	<3129F79C-0028-47AE-A1EA-A3C6273B9BBC@gmail.com>
	<563524ED.7070406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E856A36B-1651-4624-B7EB-66086336DB3E@gmail.com>

I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple dealer went like this:

dealer: ?what?s the current version of Finder??
me to dealer: ?hold on?
me to colleagues: ?what?s the current version of Finder??
colleagues: ?5.5?
me to dealer: ?5.5?
dealer: ?thanks? hang up
me to colleagues: ?What?s Finder??

Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted as System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went straight from 4.3 to 6.0.


> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be that it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release didn?t really have a number as such, because System and Finder were always different, until 6.0 was released.
>> 
>> The main thing is that there wasn?t a System 5.0, even if in some places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one:
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5>
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From kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com  Sun Nov  1 10:26:45 2015
From: kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com (Kaveh Bazargan)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:26:45 +0000
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <E856A36B-1651-4624-B7EB-66086336DB3E@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net>
	<CANQHZSEnFMpcLYetebrB49kGE3_3NS_gHk7SUMGvXdgXO4QxAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com>
	<56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC173642-48FC-46FE-98E2-0114DB7FAF0A@gmail.com>
	<56351D75.9010509@gmail.com>
	<3129F79C-0028-47AE-A1EA-A3C6273B9BBC@gmail.com>
	<563524ED.7070406@gmail.com>
	<E856A36B-1651-4624-B7EB-66086336DB3E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R9phgpVwDyvvLE8YT8KkorwuvzVenh+vHr=J2ZZbRmJ=4Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Colin, we might have run into each other in the early Apple days. I did
many demos for dealers for Adobe Illustrator (v1), Mathematica (on Mac and
Next), Textures (tex on Mac) and even HyperCard.

On 1 November 2015 at 14:20, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II
> knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not
> knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple
> dealer went like this:
>
> dealer: ?what?s the current version of Finder??
> me to dealer: ?hold on?
> me to colleagues: ?what?s the current version of Finder??
> colleagues: ?5.5?
> me to dealer: ?5.5?
> dealer: ?thanks? hang up
> me to colleagues: ?What?s Finder??
>
> Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted as
> System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went straight
> from 4.3 to 6.0.
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote:
> >> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be that
> it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release didn?t
> really have a number as such, because System and Finder were always
> different, until 6.0 was released.
> >>
> >> The main thing is that there wasn?t a System 5.0, even if in some
> places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x.
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one:
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Nov  1 11:00:20 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:00:20 -0600
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <E856A36B-1651-4624-B7EB-66086336DB3E@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net>
	<CANQHZSEnFMpcLYetebrB49kGE3_3NS_gHk7SUMGvXdgXO4QxAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com>
	<56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC173642-48FC-46FE-98E2-0114DB7FAF0A@gmail.com>
	<56351D75.9010509@gmail.com>
	<3129F79C-0028-47AE-A1EA-A3C6273B9BBC@gmail.com>
	<563524ED.7070406@gmail.com>
	<E856A36B-1651-4624-B7EB-66086336DB3E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <692EE825-3362-4234-8DB6-D55159C920E8@hyperactivesw.com>

I think you may be right it's a regional thing. I checked my archives again and I have no version 4. It goes from 3 to 5. I'm looking at the official Apple developer CD that contains all historical operating systems. 

On November 1, 2015 8:20:18 AM CST, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
>I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II
>knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not
>knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple
>dealer went like this:
>
>dealer: ?what?s the current version of Finder??
>me to dealer: ?hold on?
>me to colleagues: ?what?s the current version of Finder??
>colleagues: ?5.5?
>me to dealer: ?5.5?
>dealer: ?thanks? hang up
>me to colleagues: ?What?s Finder??
>
>Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted
>as System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went
>straight from 4.3 to 6.0.
>
>
>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> 
>> On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be
>that it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release
>didn?t really have a number as such, because System and Finder were
>always different, until 6.0 was released.
>>> 
>>> The main thing is that there wasn?t a System 5.0, even if in some
>places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x.
>> 
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one:
>>>> 
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5>
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From waprothero at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 13:23:18 2015
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:23:18 -0800
Subject: User Guide: Call for Errata
In-Reply-To: <56324ECE.1030300@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgRywBaZ5VsprZo0Jc3=hKWN5p6AXALS0L7-=9pT=F1rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56324ECE.1030300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <716D3F1B-474D-4B30-909A-22401AEE5E0C@gmail.com>

Richard:
I use an Apple app named ?notebook? to store various extractions that I wanted to save from  this list. I don?t have time to fully join in the user guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I could send you my Notebook file for this.
Best,
Bill

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Kay.  And thanks for the CC - lets me keep all these notes in one place.
> 
> Please feel free to pass along any other details you come across.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> LiveCode Community Manager
> richard at livecode.org
> 
> 
> Kay C Lan wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> To make sure we cover any errors and omissions you've seen, please send a
>>> brief description with the page number to me at the email address below.
>>> 
>>> Bug #12450
>> 
>> Also, ALL references to Mac OS should be removed. LC 7 & 8 will not run on
>> OS 9 so references should only be made to OS X. Both the User Guide and the
>> Dictionary suffer badly from inconsistency of the use of the term Mac OS -
>> sometimes it's referring specifically to OS 9 and at other times it means
>> both 9 and X.
>> 
>> Page 258 of the User Guide, under The layer of menu buttons: makes
>> reference to both Mac OS and OS X
>> Same Page but the next Para down, under Changing Menus Dynamically: only
>> refers to Mac OS, but the statement also applies to OS X.
>> 
>> To add to the inconsistency the User Guide (I haven't seen it in the
>> Dictionary) also occasionally uses the term Mac OS Classic - see Page 259,
>> top line but in the very next paragraph return to using Mac OS to refer to
>> OS 9.
>> 
>> Again, moving forward there should only be one term, either Mac OS X or
>> just OS X and ALL content applicable ONLY to OS 9 should be removed.
>> 
>> I've CC'd your other email as requested but posted here as it may trigger
>> some more useful comments on what needs attention.
>> 
>> Thanks for taking on this task... it's a BIG one.
> 
> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Nov  1 16:14:36 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:14:36 -0800
Subject: User Guide: Call for Errata
In-Reply-To: <716D3F1B-474D-4B30-909A-22401AEE5E0C@gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgRywBaZ5VsprZo0Jc3=hKWN5p6AXALS0L7-=9pT=F1rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56324ECE.1030300@fourthworld.com>
	<716D3F1B-474D-4B30-909A-22401AEE5E0C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F164AC9D-F385-4713-B3C2-DD6A8DCB04FA@earthednet.org>

Richard:
Oh heck, I can export it to .doc if needed.
Bill

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:23 AM, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Richard:
> I use an Apple app named ?notebook? to store various extractions that I wanted to save from  this list. I don?t have time to fully join in the user guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I could send you my Notebook file for this.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Kay.  And thanks for the CC - lets me keep all these notes in one place.
>> 
>> Please feel free to pass along any other details you come across.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> LiveCode Community Manager
>> richard at livecode.org
>> 
>> 
>> Kay C Lan wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> To make sure we cover any errors and omissions you've seen, please send a
>>>> brief description with the page number to me at the email address below.
>>>> 
>>>> Bug #12450
>>> 
>>> Also, ALL references to Mac OS should be removed. LC 7 & 8 will not run on
>>> OS 9 so references should only be made to OS X. Both the User Guide and the
>>> Dictionary suffer badly from inconsistency of the use of the term Mac OS -
>>> sometimes it's referring specifically to OS 9 and at other times it means
>>> both 9 and X.
>>> 
>>> Page 258 of the User Guide, under The layer of menu buttons: makes
>>> reference to both Mac OS and OS X
>>> Same Page but the next Para down, under Changing Menus Dynamically: only
>>> refers to Mac OS, but the statement also applies to OS X.
>>> 
>>> To add to the inconsistency the User Guide (I haven't seen it in the
>>> Dictionary) also occasionally uses the term Mac OS Classic - see Page 259,
>>> top line but in the very next paragraph return to using Mac OS to refer to
>>> OS 9.
>>> 
>>> Again, moving forward there should only be one term, either Mac OS X or
>>> just OS X and ALL content applicable ONLY to OS 9 should be removed.
>>> 
>>> I've CC'd your other email as requested but posted here as it may trigger
>>> some more useful comments on what needs attention.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for taking on this task... it's a BIG one.
>> 
>> 
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From sritcp at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 18:23:20 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:23:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Application Data
In-Reply-To: <785BFFD3-4D51-4111-A270-8E8E54141519@me.com>
References: <785BFFD3-4D51-4111-A270-8E8E54141519@me.com>
Message-ID: <1446420200298-4698335.post@n4.nabble.com>

Peter:
Will this work?

1. Use windowShape property to create your "application" stack with a
rectangular hole in the middle for the "user" stack. 
2. Constrain the location and dimensions of the user stack so it stays
within bounds when the user resizes it.
3. Use mouseEnter and mouseLeave to activate the respective stack.

Regards,
Sri



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 05:39:38 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:39:38 +0200
Subject: drop-down button
Message-ID: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com>

The drop-down is populated with font names.

I have:

on menuPick FFFFONT
switch FFFFONT
   set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
end switch
end menuPick

but the textFont of the field is not being set.

Where am I going wrong?

Richmond.



From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 05:46:58 2015
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:46:58 +0000
Subject: drop-down button
In-Reply-To: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com>
References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM19O3wBhYJj+X2wcjHdBCPjdSt65o+ubFFCeUs8K0TJm6275Q@mail.gmail.com>

Put the default keyword in and it should work fine

switch FFFFONT
Default
  set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
end switch

Regards

Ian

On 2 November 2015 at 10:39, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> The drop-down is populated with font names.
>
> I have:
>
> on menuPick FFFFONT
> switch FFFFONT
>   set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
> end switch
> end menuPick
>
> but the textFont of the field is not being set.
>
> Where am I going wrong?
>
> Richmond.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 06:01:29 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:01:29 +0200
Subject: drop-down button
In-Reply-To: <CAM19O3wBhYJj+X2wcjHdBCPjdSt65o+ubFFCeUs8K0TJm6275Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com>
	<CAM19O3wBhYJj+X2wcjHdBCPjdSt65o+ubFFCeUs8K0TJm6275Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56374289.9080207@gmail.com>

On 02/11/15 12:46, Ian McKnight wrote:
> Put the default keyword in and it should work fine
>
> switch FFFFONT
> Default
>    set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
> end switch
>
> Regards
>
> Ian

Thanks so much: quick and to the point.

I wonder how newbies are going to find that one out?

Richmond.

> On 2 November 2015 at 10:39, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The drop-down is populated with font names.
>>
>> I have:
>>
>> on menuPick FFFFONT
>> switch FFFFONT
>>    set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
>> end switch
>> end menuPick
>>
>> but the textFont of the field is not being set.
>>
>> Where am I going wrong?
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Mon Nov  2 06:16:03 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:16:03 +0000
Subject: drop-down button
In-Reply-To: <56374289.9080207@gmail.com>
References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com>
	<CAM19O3wBhYJj+X2wcjHdBCPjdSt65o+ubFFCeUs8K0TJm6275Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<56374289.9080207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563745F3.2090004@livecode.com>



On 02/11/2015 11:01, Richmond wrote:
> On 02/11/15 12:46, Ian McKnight wrote:
>> Put the default keyword in and it should work fine
>>
>> switch FFFFONT
>> Default
>>    set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
>> end switch
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ian
>
> Thanks so much: quick and to the point.
>
> I wonder how newbies are going to find that one out?

By reading the documentation for "switch", presumably:

http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/switch

Why do you need a "switch" here anyway?  Why can't you just do:

    on menuPick pFont
       set the textFont of field "OOT" to pFont
    end menuPick

                               Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode



From peter.brett at livecode.com  Mon Nov  2 08:11:00 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:11:00 +0000
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 7
Message-ID: <563760E4.90905@livecode.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source 
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

     Read issue #7 here: https://goo.gl/Me3Bzu


This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been 
going on in and around the open source project.  New issues will be 
released weekly on Mondays.  We have a dedicated mailing list that will 
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion 
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.

                                      Peter

-- 
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LiveCode Open Source Team

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 12:31:49 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:31:49 +0200
Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode?
Message-ID: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com>

IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not
be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import
pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into
LiveCode script.

?????

Inspired by reading this: 
https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf

page 41

Richmond.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 12:33:23 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:33:23 +0200
Subject: drop-down button
In-Reply-To: <563745F3.2090004@livecode.com>
References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com>
	<CAM19O3wBhYJj+X2wcjHdBCPjdSt65o+ubFFCeUs8K0TJm6275Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<56374289.9080207@gmail.com> <563745F3.2090004@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <56379E63.4050701@gmail.com>

On 02/11/15 13:16, Peter TB Brett wrote:
>
>
> On 02/11/2015 11:01, Richmond wrote:
>> On 02/11/15 12:46, Ian McKnight wrote:
>>> Put the default keyword in and it should work fine
>>>
>>> switch FFFFONT
>>> Default
>>>    set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT
>>> end switch
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ian
>>
>> Thanks so much: quick and to the point.
>>
>> I wonder how newbies are going to find that one out?
>
> By reading the documentation for "switch", presumably:
>
> http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/switch

Quite.

I had overlooked the whole SWITCH thing, as am 100% familiar with switch 
as my Devawriter Pro depends on it.

>
> Why do you need a "switch" here anyway?  Why can't you just do:
>
>    on menuPick pFont
>       set the textFont of field "OOT" to pFont
>    end menuPick
>
>                               Peter
>

Dunno: grabbed an old bit of code I found lying around . . .

Richmond.



From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 12:59:50 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:59:50 -0500
Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode?
In-Reply-To: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com>
References: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <150c95aec2e-3fa2-14321@webprd-a07.mail.aol.com>

Richmond.


There may be a formal structure for pseudoCode, but when  I call what I create as a help reply "pseudo", it takes a form something like:


on mouseUp
  get the date
  convert it to dateItems
  do some calculations on item 7 of it
  toss it into the ring
  put it into fld 1
end mouseUp


That sort of thing.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 12:32 pm
Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode?


IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not
be that
difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import
pseudocode
written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into
LiveCode
script.

?????

Inspired by reading this:

https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf

page
41

Richmond.


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  2 13:17:08 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:17:08 +0000
Subject: glx2
In-Reply-To: <5634F8EA.1030306@ahsoftware.net>
References: <60F6D63F-9DB9-48BF-89CB-7672B9CDD552@sweattechnologies.com>
	<562956C7.6010904@fourthworld.com>
	<9ED45450-B011-4C77-90D4-F288AEDE1766@sweattechnologies.com>
	<DB268A99-07B0-4D8B-8BC2-19B5501A55D4@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAGDT7eNHMvM_f-TfH45yydL=mT_2F6zDRrKzzVBFQ-OgP2bptA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5629974A.3050400@ahsoftware.net> <D25043DB.1A06B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<3D545BA4-9F7F-44F3-912A-D7D59398F229@hindu.org>
	<00AAC559-4338-4594-BB4B-507501A5F014@iotecdigital.com>
	<3DD9D7D0-F7D1-4A65-B164-E446E2B09369@canelasoftware.com>
	<5632F151.5050105@ahsoftware.net>
	<204162B6-FCF4-4905-82A6-5EFFB582D838@canelasoftware.com>
	<5634F8EA.1030306@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <869E3AEF-D1BE-4524-ABCD-4CAD780FFFFA@iotecdigital.com>

Seems to be working well on this side. I have the 3.0.19 GLX2 and the PowerDebug working together and haven't seen any glaring issue yet. I am SOOO looking forward to making these my defacto editor and debugger again! It's like getting back together with my high school girlfriend. ;-) 

Thanks for the hard work Mark!

Bob S


> On Oct 31, 2015, at 10:22 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> On 10/31/2015 08:29 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> 
>> Ok. I will give it a try in 7.1.1 and 8.
> 
> All right. Beta 2 is up on the website now.
> 
> It's stable for me (except for the engine bug on linux), it (finally) includes the properties in clairvoyance completion, so that the typeahead function will fill out "itemd" to "itemdelimiter".
> 
> ...and after thinking about the "other editor" problem for a bit, I just removed the code that checks for it. That makes for a slightly longer load time because it's a forced load of the script instead of uncompressing the stored html, but the engine is fast enough that I can't tell the difference. And the big upside is that it just works transparently and you can switch editors without problem. I still wouldn't run both editors side by side at the same time, though.
> 
> I'm happy with the fact that I managed to clean out enough old unused code to get the main stack script under 10k lines.
> This is probably the 3.0.19 release candidate build unless someone finds something serious enough to hold it back.
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/downloads
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  2 13:18:07 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:18:07 +0000
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>

Yeah. It's usually the other way around! ;-)

Bob S


On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen
> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a
> usability mess.

When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does?



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  2 13:22:14 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:22:14 +0000
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net>
	<CANQHZSEnFMpcLYetebrB49kGE3_3NS_gHk7SUMGvXdgXO4QxAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com>
	<56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3D3D0C7C-6FB3-43C5-852A-2B9B2A04E489@iotecdigital.com>

My short affair with Pascal ended when I saw what it was going to take to write Pascal apps for the current Apple graphical OS. It was then I realized I would never develop in a full blown compilter based system as I simply didn't have the time.

Bob S


On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:40 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:

Also, I remember writing a silly little game for OS 5 when trying to teach myself Pascal, and that it ran for a short while until I updated to OS 6 and it broke spectacularly. That was the end of my Pascal experience.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay



From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Nov  2 13:23:41 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:23:41 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>

Dragging the sides of a window to resize.

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. It's usually the other way around! ;-)
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen
>> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a
>> usability mess.
> 
> When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does?
> 
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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 13:33:39 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:33:39 -0800
Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode?
In-Reply-To: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com>
References: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DpRANmB0Q3ppK_T6SceFTAi0=1miJf61pARCaA8SU3vGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Note: it's page 41 in the menu bar, but page 27 in the document.

I'm only dangerous in Livecode, but the code in Listing 5.3 looks like
actual code to me, not pseudocode. By definition, if it's pseudocode then
isn't it too vague to be used as actual code? And what good is code, pseudo
or not, if it references mysterious functions?

Pseudocode should be easier to write and read since a human can fill in the
missing pieces for themselves. If you had a set of rules for writing
pseudocode, such that it could be parsed into a high-level language like
Livecode, then wouldn't you simply have an even higher-level language?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not
> be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import
> pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into
> LiveCode script.
>
> ?????
>
> Inspired by reading this:
> https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf
>
> page 41
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Nov  2 13:41:49 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:41:49 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>

That is a great one Jerry!  Always having to move an application window
around, and resize by just one corner was soooo restrictive.  The edge
resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x.

~Roger


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:

> Dragging the sides of a window to resize.
>
> > On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. It's usually the other way around! ;-)
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen
> >> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a
> >> usability mess.
> >
> > When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does?
> >
>
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  2 13:43:48 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:43:48 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
References: <B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com>

Jerry Jensen wrote:

 >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Geoff Canyon wrote:
 >>> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen
 >>> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a
 >>> usability mess.
 >>
 >> When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does?
 >>
 >
 > Dragging the sides of a window to resize.

True, and there are others:
<http://www.infoworld.com/article/2868416/mac-os-x/the-top-10-features-apple-stole-from-windows.html>

Even recently:
<http://www.wired.com/2015/06/apple-ipad-ios9-wwdc/>

Every OS vendor borrows from the others.  To be more accurate I should 
have written:

    When did Apple ever implement something Microsoft does
    that no one likes?

:)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  2 13:50:13 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:50:13 +0000
Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode?
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DpRANmB0Q3ppK_T6SceFTAi0=1miJf61pARCaA8SU3vGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DpRANmB0Q3ppK_T6SceFTAi0=1miJf61pARCaA8SU3vGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <144BC4A0-70B6-495E-862D-58FC2A2675A6@iotecdigital.com>

The problem I forsee with this is that in order to write the pseudocode with enough detail to parse ito regular code, it would be so close already that you may as well have just written the code in the first place. Livecode Script almost reads like Pseudocode. This might be useful for other more complex languages with rigid structure, but I do not think LC would benefit from it. 

How would you account for nested control structures? I can write:

if the highlight of this button is on then turn it off otherwise turn it on

but what if I need to put a case statement inside the one condition and a repeat loop inside of the other? What if there are several if statements I want to evaluate? 

if condition a then
...
else if condition b then
... 
otherwise
...

By the time you account for these sorts of scenarios, you code is almost written in LC script anyway. 

My 2?
Bob S


> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:33 , Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Note: it's page 41 in the menu bar, but page 27 in the document.
> 
> I'm only dangerous in Livecode, but the code in Listing 5.3 looks like
> actual code to me, not pseudocode. By definition, if it's pseudocode then
> isn't it too vague to be used as actual code? And what good is code, pseudo
> or not, if it references mysterious functions?
> 
> Pseudocode should be easier to write and read since a human can fill in the
> missing pieces for themselves. If you had a set of rules for writing
> pseudocode, such that it could be parsed into a high-level language like
> Livecode, then wouldn't you simply have an even higher-level language?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not
>> be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import
>> pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into
>> LiveCode script.
>> 
>> ?????
>> 
>> Inspired by reading this:
>> https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf
>> 
>> page 41
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  2 13:51:36 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:51:36 +0000
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>

I thought Vista could do it...

And if you meant LC version 7, I can do it in LC 6.7.6

Bob S


On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:41 , Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com<mailto:roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>> wrote:

That is a great one Jerry!  Always having to move an application window
around, and resize by just one corner was soooo restrictive.  The edge
resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x.

~Roger



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Nov  2 14:17:09 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:17:09 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>

I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have
installed).  The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced to
use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application
had edge resizing.  It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was
added to LC.  Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning IMHO
to be touting themselves to be cross-platform.

~Roger


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> I thought Vista could do it...
>
> And if you meant LC version 7, I can do it in LC 6.7.6
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:41 , Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
> <mailto:roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>> wrote:
>
> That is a great one Jerry!  Always having to move an application window
> around, and resize by just one corner was soooo restrictive.  The edge
> resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x.
>
> ~Roger


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  2 14:27:18 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:27:18 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5637B916.2030907@fourthworld.com>

Roger Eller wrote:

 > The edge resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x.

Edge resizing is supported in the Cocoa APIs, and in LiveCode was part 
of the Cocoa-savvy overhaul that first premiered in 6.7.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  2 14:32:58 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:32:58 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5637BA6A.9030102@fourthworld.com>

Roger Eller wrote:
 > The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced to use the
 > little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application
 > had edge resizing.  It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that
 > it was added to LC.

IIRC I've been resizing LiveCode windows from edges for many years, 
possibly back to MetaCard 2.4.2, but certainly long before LC v6.7.

Maybe there was a property not set properly in your stacks?

 > Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning IMHO
 > to be touting themselves to be cross-platform.

Resizing aside, what other issues have you found with LiveCode specific 
to Windows?

I've mentioned the menu mnemonics remaining visible even before the Alt 
key is pressed, but no one else seems to have noticed that.

I don't spend enough time on Windows to have the same sensitivity with I 
do for Mac and Ubuntu, so it would be helpful to see if perhaps there 
are outstanding issues we might reconsider prioritizing for the dominant 
desktop OS.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Nov  2 14:33:45 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:33:45 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/02/2015 11:17 AM, Roger Eller wrote:
> I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have
> installed).  The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced to
> use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application
> had edge resizing.  It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was
> added to LC.  Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning IMHO
> to be touting themselves to be cross-platform.

It's not a LiveCode thing, it's an OS thing.
I just punched up LC 4.6.4 and resized from the edges with no problems.
Of course, I'm running a linux desktop, which does that natively.
So it has nothing to do with the LC version, and everything to do with 
what the OS supports.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Nov  2 14:38:53 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:38:53 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com>
References: <B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5637BBCD.1080608@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/02/2015 10:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Every OS vendor borrows from the others.  To be more accurate I should
> have written:
>
>     When did Apple ever implement something Microsoft does
>     that no one likes?

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Apple got the wastebasket idea from 
Microsoft... the original question was about what distinguishes one 
desktop from another.

This is kind of like arguing about whether Bootsy or Larry Graham 
started popping first.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  2 14:40:54 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:40:54 -0800
Subject: User Guide: Call for Errata
In-Reply-To: <F164AC9D-F385-4713-B3C2-DD6A8DCB04FA@earthednet.org>
References: <F164AC9D-F385-4713-B3C2-DD6A8DCB04FA@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5637BC46.10808@fourthworld.com>

Any readable format is fine - thanks!

- Richard Gaskin
   LiveCode Community Manager
   richard at livecode.org


William Prothero wrote:
 > Richard:
 > Oh heck, I can export it to .doc if needed.
 > Bill
 >
 >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:23 AM, William Prothero <waprothero at 
gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >> Richard:
 >> I use an Apple app named ?notebook? to store various extractions 
that I wanted to save from  this list. I don?t have time to fully join 
in the user guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I 
could send you my Notebook file for this.
 >> Best,
 >> Bill
 >>




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  2 14:52:03 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:52:03 -0800
Subject: [ANN]SoCal LiveCode Meeting, Nov 5
In-Reply-To: <560B71E2.50507@fourthworld.com>
References: <560B71E2.50507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5637BEE3.6050302@fourthworld.com>

The next meeting of the SoCal LiveCode User Group is coming up Thursday, 
November 5, at 7PM in Pasadena - details in the forums:

<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Nov  2 15:51:11 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:51:11 -0800
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <5637BBCD.1080608@ahsoftware.net>
References: <B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com> <5637BBCD.1080608@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <FBB2D404-7B20-4ABF-9B76-226A21252942@jhj.com>


> On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> This is kind of like arguing about whether Bootsy or Larry Graham started popping first.

How about Pops Popwell? Or was he much later?




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Nov  2 16:50:28 2015
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:50:28 -0800
Subject: Vector images?
In-Reply-To: <5632804F.4030403@fourthworld.com>
References: <5632791E.9030903@hindu.org> <5632804F.4030403@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <75ADE2A6-E554-4E68-959C-41177429A8AF@canelasoftware.com>


> On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> That seems very much like what you're looking for, and what Mark Talluto's looking for, and many others.

LiveCode 8 looks very promising for our needs in regards to SVG support. Mark?w comments today show that LiveCode agrees that SVG is important. The thought of it all working in the context of images (optionally) is also very interesting. I think LiveCode is on the right track. 

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io
canelasoftware.com






From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Nov  2 17:03:30 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:03:30 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP86e+zxupkCNsN-Y_2mXPF4KiabxQJUrQj7b5jmp=6Yw@mail.gmail.com>

I stand corrected, sorry.  I just created a new stack with Revolution 1.1
in Windows 7 (yes really), and the edges were resizable.  I may have
displaced my frustration, which was that earlier versions of OS X were
forcing me to use the corner when my virtualized Win XP (on the same
machine) was living life fancy free.

I agree with Richard that the menu mnemonics should be corrected / made to
act as other modern Win apps do.  So I still believe that Apple gets the
lions share of attention simply because it is the developers preference.
My experience in a corp environment is they will use the less expensive
computer wherever possible.  I don't see either situation changing.

~Roger


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 11/02/2015 11:17 AM, Roger Eller wrote:
>
>> I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have
>> installed).  The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced
>> to
>> use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application
>> had edge resizing.  It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was
>> added to LC.  Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning
>> IMHO
>> to be touting themselves to be cross-platform.
>>
>
> It's not a LiveCode thing, it's an OS thing.
> I just punched up LC 4.6.4 and resized from the edges with no problems.
> Of course, I'm running a linux desktop, which does that natively.
> So it has nothing to do with the LC version, and everything to do with
> what the OS supports.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Nov  2 17:15:46 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:15:46 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXO4Hn1=3xZEC4E9NJNPMZLBTYm-MWYZXd-qMiijHHfu7w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> It's not a LiveCode thing, it's an OS thing.


Well, not completely...  On my Mac running Yosemite (which supports edge
resizing), I create a new stack with LC 6.6.2, and it only has the corner
sizer, and the edges do not respond.  Later versions of LC work with the
edges.


>
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
~Roger


From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Nov  2 17:30:25 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:30:25 -0800
Subject: Diesel down again?
Message-ID: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>

Is diesel down again?




From simon at asato-media.com  Mon Nov  2 17:22:09 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:22:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Diesel down again?
In-Reply-To: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <1446502929256-4698365.post@n4.nabble.com>

Down in California

Simon



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From monte at appisle.net  Mon Nov  2 17:38:49 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:38:49 +1100
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXP86e+zxupkCNsN-Y_2mXPF4KiabxQJUrQj7b5jmp=6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAAT6EXP86e+zxupkCNsN-Y_2mXPF4KiabxQJUrQj7b5jmp=6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net>


> On 3 Nov 2015, at 9:03 am, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have
> installed).  The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced
> to
> use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application
> had edge resizing.  It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was
> added to LC.  Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning
> IMHO
> to be touting themselves to be cross-platform.

It?s interesting that the very thing you are complaining about is an artefact of the fact that LiveCode on OS X was still Carbon based long after Carbon was past its used by date and starting to stink out the fridge. We got the proper Cocoa behavior when we got Cooca windows in 6.7. To in the same paragraph suggest that LiveCode is too Mac centric seems a bit odd.

Cheers

Monte

From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Nov  2 18:03:05 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:03:05 -0500
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAAT6EXP86e+zxupkCNsN-Y_2mXPF4KiabxQJUrQj7b5jmp=6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNH--7MgnjytL8i+wbY7UgK6iuVfg=Zh8TPLSRyUB4j7g@mail.gmail.com>

That is interesting, isn't it?  I must be crazy.  Read on, mweider already
corrected my misguided self.  Good morning, BTW.  ;)
On Nov 2, 2015 5:39 PM, "Monte Goulding" <monte at appisle.net> wrote:

>
> > On 3 Nov 2015, at 9:03 am, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have
> > installed).  The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced
> > to
> > use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application
> > had edge resizing.  It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was
> > added to LC.  Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning
> > IMHO
> > to be touting themselves to be cross-platform.
>
> It?s interesting that the very thing you are complaining about is an
> artefact of the fact that LiveCode on OS X was still Carbon based long
> after Carbon was past its used by date and starting to stink out the
> fridge. We got the proper Cocoa behavior when we got Cooca windows in 6.7.
> To in the same paragraph suggest that LiveCode is too Mac centric seems a
> bit odd.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Nov  2 18:09:19 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:09:19 -0500
Subject: Diesel down again?
In-Reply-To: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <009501d115c3$8120ee00$8362ca00$@net>

Diesel's cPanel is down. 

The MySQL and Web servers are up.

I put in an emergency support request to David.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


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Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:30 PM
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Subject: Diesel down again?

Is diesel down again?


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From monte at appisle.net  Mon Nov  2 18:10:28 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:10:28 +1100
Subject: Chromebook deployment...
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXNH--7MgnjytL8i+wbY7UgK6iuVfg=Zh8TPLSRyUB4j7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtojXU4T9Dh=Au8QGNmJ0Qed=uZco0dEFkeHPv=nudeXhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com>
	<6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com>
	<B96BD3E4-AD61-4CF8-8C6A-F6C592ABCAC0@jhj.com>
	<CAAT6EXMWdthXm3T=aB5rFZzbZUUEa9qsNVSS1TQYJ1zgD=XFGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAAT6EXPntinTBEG6ZEwy9m10=LPgi393g=s2MQoGrX1yJmX3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAAT6EXP86e+zxupkCNsN-Y_2mXPF4KiabxQJUrQj7b5jmp=6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net>
	<CAAT6EXNH--7MgnjytL8i+wbY7UgK6iuVfg=Zh8TPLSRyUB4j7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6662AF3B-0F18-41E5-AF95-2BDC9B8303FF@appisle.net>


> On 3 Nov 2015, at 10:03 am, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
> 
> That is interesting, isn't it?  I must be crazy.  

You might want to get that checked out ;-)

> Read on, mweider already
> corrected my misguided self.  Good morning, BTW.  ;)

Good morning ;-) 

From irog at mac.com  Mon Nov  2 19:02:38 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:02:38 -0800
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
Message-ID: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>

I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:

> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>

Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!



All the best,

Roger

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  2 19:22:00 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:22:00 -0800
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com>

Roger Guay wrote:
> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
>
>> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>
>
> Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!

Super cool, Roger - congrats.

And thanks for posting the LC stack.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  2 19:34:55 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:34:55 +0000
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
	<5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com>

That is very interesting. It appears that if we ever receive radio transmissions from deep space, it is highly unlikly that the civilization that created them still exist. The times it took to get here are so vast it's questionable that any life existed on the earth when the signals began their long trek across the vastness of space.

If we could answer the question, "Is anybody out there?" affirmatively and send it back on its way, in a few million years they might get the reply, and in another few million years we might get back an answer, "Oh... right. Sorry, we figured it out already."

Which begs the question... Why? Why listen at all? What could we hope to gain? If we ask a question we will never get an answer in anything like a timely manner and it is extremely doubtful anyone would be listening when it arrives.

It's because people are incapable of grasping the immensity of space that they can entertain the notion that we could communicate with anyone "out there" even if we could understand them and they us. So I ask again, why?

Bob S


On Nov 2, 2015, at 16:22 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

Roger Guay wrote:
I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:

http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>

Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!

Super cool, Roger - congrats.

And thanks for posting the LC stack.

--
Richard Gaskin


From monte at appisle.net  Mon Nov  2 19:38:48 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:38:48 +1100
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B5A2269B-37A2-4F47-977E-2B72AFFB6ED5@appisle.net>


> On 3 Nov 2015, at 11:02 am, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
> 
>> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>
> 
> Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!

Cool, Fermi Paradox is an interesting topic. There?s the whole idea of whether we should be drawing attention to ourselves as we know from history that encounters with more advanced civilisations never end well for the less advanced. Then there?s the assumption that we will be able to communicate with an alien species once found when we can?t even have a proper conversation with any other species on this planet when we have full time access to them.

All intersting stuff ;-)

Cheers

Monte


From colinholgate at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 19:41:17 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:41:17 -0500
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
	<5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com>
	<8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <93E74606-E240-4740-BCD4-0FAD4483E4EC@gmail.com>

?was anybody out there? is still an interesting thing to know.


> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> That is very interesting. It appears that if we ever receive radio transmissions from deep space, it is highly unlikly that the civilization that created them still exist. The times it took to get here are so vast it's questionable that any life existed on the earth when the signals began their long trek across the vastness of space.
> 
> If we could answer the question, "Is anybody out there?" affirmatively and send it back on its way, in a few million years they might get the reply, and in another few million years we might get back an answer, "Oh... right. Sorry, we figured it out already."
> 
> Which begs the question... Why? Why listen at all? What could we hope to gain? If we ask a question we will never get an answer in anything like a timely manner and it is extremely doubtful anyone would be listening when it arrives.
> 
> It's because people are incapable of grasping the immensity of space that they can entertain the notion that we could communicate with anyone "out there" even if we could understand them and they us. So I ask again, why?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 16:22 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
> 
> Roger Guay wrote:
> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
> 
> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>
> 
> Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!
> 
> Super cool, Roger - congrats.
> 
> And thanks for posting the LC stack.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Nov  2 19:56:28 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:56:28 -0800
Subject: [ANN] lcStackBrowser v2.2.1
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNdWPb-0S=xOwNUe07w_XMuFSCYv8O6KOYZQtKVuDDhKw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pleased to announce the release of lcStackBrowser v2.2.1,a plugin
replacement for the Livecode Application Browser, Project Browser, Property
Inspector, and Tools palette.  This is a free update for existing users.  A
free 30-day trial version is available at
http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html.

Continuing the addition of Livecode 8 features, this release includes the
ability to create script-only stacks, and to install widgets by drag/drop
or double-click from its Controls palette.

Other enhancements include better organization of audio and video clips in
the display, including the ability to play them.

A complete list of bug fixes and enhancements in this release is available
at https://goo.gl/sGRZLM


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From irog at mac.com  Mon Nov  2 22:34:35 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:34:35 -0800
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <93E74606-E240-4740-BCD4-0FAD4483E4EC@gmail.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
	<5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com>
	<8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com>
	<93E74606-E240-4740-BCD4-0FAD4483E4EC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DE5FD6C-B86B-4A4B-989A-03878EEAFAB2@mac.com>

Thanks for all the feedback, guys.

Anyone interested in this subject matter, the Fermi Paradox, should read Webb?s book. Or, If you have any interests at all in Science/Physics/Astrophysics AND Science Fiction, you will probably find his book totally engaging! I can almost guarantee that it will stretch your mind!!

Cheers,

Roger



> On Nov 2, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?was anybody out there? is still an interesting thing to know.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That is very interesting. It appears that if we ever receive radio transmissions from deep space, it is highly unlikly that the civilization that created them still exist. The times it took to get here are so vast it's questionable that any life existed on the earth when the signals began their long trek across the vastness of space.
>> 
>> If we could answer the question, "Is anybody out there?" affirmatively and send it back on its way, in a few million years they might get the reply, and in another few million years we might get back an answer, "Oh... right. Sorry, we figured it out already."
>> 
>> Which begs the question... Why? Why listen at all? What could we hope to gain? If we ask a question we will never get an answer in anything like a timely manner and it is extremely doubtful anyone would be listening when it arrives.
>> 
>> It's because people are incapable of grasping the immensity of space that they can entertain the notion that we could communicate with anyone "out there" even if we could understand them and they us. So I ask again, why?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 16:22 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger Guay wrote:
>> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
>> 
>> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>
>> 
>> Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!
>> 
>> Super cool, Roger - congrats.
>> 
>> And thanks for posting the LC stack.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Nov  2 22:42:47 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:42:47 -0500
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
Message-ID: <00a101d115e9$b53074b0$1f915e10$@net>

There always has to be the first and last occurrence of anything in the universe. Could we be the first or last?

Engaging read.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:03 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation

I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:

> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ <http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>

Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help!



All the best,

Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Nov  2 22:47:43 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:47:43 -0800
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <00a101d115e9$b53074b0$1f915e10$@net>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
	<00a101d115e9$b53074b0$1f915e10$@net>
Message-ID: <CF2F5573-80AD-45D7-A039-7EFF5600125B@mac.com>

Yes, or just out of sync with nearby (relatively) neighbors? 


> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net> wrote:
> 
> Could we be the first or last?



From simplsol at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 00:02:34 2015
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:02:34 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
Message-ID: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>

This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered whether there is some data processing option between the limits of card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system - entirely in LiveCode.

The monthly meeting <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476> is held at Dupar?s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great.

Paul Looney




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Nov  2 23:32:34 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:32:34 -0700
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D25D8228.7121B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Congratulations.  Really interesting subject matter, and looks cool.  I
won't pretend 
to understand everything it's doing, but it looks good doing it  :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/2/15, 5:02 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com> wrote:

>I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app,
>AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of
>?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
>
>> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/
>><http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/>
>
>Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank
>you for all the help!
>
>
>
>All the best,
>
>Roger
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 00:49:29 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:49:29 -0800
Subject: Diesel down again?
In-Reply-To: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/02/2015 02:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> Is diesel down again?

Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From simon at asato-media.com  Tue Nov  3 00:57:26 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:57:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Diesel down again?
In-Reply-To: <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
	<56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1446530246056-4698382.post@n4.nabble.com>

mwieder wrote
>> Is diesel down again?
> 
> Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

Ouch!
But Yeah, painful to have my main email down all day.
Glad it's back up now. 

Simon



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 01:48:31 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:48:31 -0800
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com>
Message-ID: <563858BF.6080505@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/02/2015 04:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:

Congrats! Looks great.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Nov  3 02:27:10 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:27:10 +0100
Subject: AW: Diesel down again?
In-Reply-To: <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com>
	<56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <000f01d11609$0df17620$29d46260$@kestner.de>

It's from Volkswagen, needs the diesel patch

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Mark Wieder
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. November 2015 06:49
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Betreff: Re: Diesel down again?

On 11/02/2015 02:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> Is diesel down again?

Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

-- 
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  ahsoftware at gmail.com

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From paolo.borzini at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:26:31 2015
From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Alain,
I've the same problem and error.
Were you able to resolve the error?

Paolo



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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 05:44:50 2015
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:44:50 +0000
Subject: What is "Open Language"?
In-Reply-To: <401629476644d5b2e8ba5f4c835b65a9@livecode.com>
References: <fb0b024fadf66df3043321f970a330c2@livecode.com>
	<562FB2FA.9080403@fourthworld.com>
	<401629476644d5b2e8ba5f4c835b65a9@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-EvaVBqRZe6qaGDhdaPD6rCjxA_7vsDCLy2+X2kuqLhEw@mail.gmail.com>

I believe that the Hypertalk 2.2 Reference book (Jeanne de Voto et. al) has
a BNF diagram of the language at the end.  I could be mistaken, as my copy
of the book has been in storage for a number of years.  But if I remember
correctly, then it seems at least at that stage the language was not too
loosey-goosey.

Bernard

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:

> On 2015-10-27 18:23, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> One thing most of us have in common here is that we need to ship
>> applications.  Very few of us (zero?) are responsible for drafting
>> BNFs.
>>
>
> Indeed - but then perhaps that's the difference between people using a
> programming language and those responsible for maintaining and evolving it.
>
> In OOP we could make snapshots a class, so the values specifying them
>> could be expressed as name-value pairs through instance variables -
>> but who wants to use a language where you need to instantiate a math
>> class just to add two numbers? :)  OOP is fine where OOP is fine, but
>> OOP isn't xTalk.
>>
>
> Well, I think you misrepresent how OOP languages work there - as they
> don't tend to require you to instantiate a 'math' class just to add two
> numbers. (Although some do take 'purity' to an almost unusable extent).
>
> In any case, OOP isn't really a language, it is just a set of patterns and
> ideas which are one good way to structure languages and think about
> software. (And OOP principals are definitely there in xTalks they are just
> not generally visible day-to-day).
>
> In LC, we see increasing use of arrays for name-value pairs (e.g.
>> clipboardData, etc.), and if it were important for someone to simplify
>> some aspects of making snapshots they could easily craft a handler
>> that takes an array to do that in just a couple minutes.
>>
>
> Indeed - name-value pairs are used for 'the clipboardData' and other
> devices... Although I'd might suggest only because there is a lack of
> ability to be able to code the syntax that might be more appropriate:
>
> e.g. set the styledText of the clipboard to ...
>
> So maybe I'm too easy to please, but I think the current syntax for
>> snapshots is OK.
>>
>
> It works - but a lot of people get tripped up by it all the time (costing
> individuals time figuring out why things don't work, others on the lists
> when they respond to questions on the lists about why their command doesn't
> work how they expect, and bug reports to us when they think there's an
> issue). Now, whilst perhaps a better dictionary entry might help a bit...
> This situation does suggest to me the syntax could be better and more
> accessible.
>
> Back in the day Brian Molyneaux of Heizer Software noted the same
>> thing about xTalks.  Just too loosey-goosey for that sort of thing.
>>
>
> Well I'm sorry to say that he was wrong as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Indeed, thinking that xTalks have no place for formality might be perhaps
> at least (a small) part of the reason why most of them have disappeared?
>
> Fortunately, my job is to make software, not BNFs, and LiveCode lets me do
>> that.
>>
>
> My job is to make software too - software that allows others to make
> software.
>
> Aspects like rigorously definable semantics and rigorous specification of
> syntax are things that help me do that. Just like having the features you
> need working in the way you need them to help you to do that.
>
> If life were simple, it probably wouldn't be as much fun :)
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
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From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Tue Nov  3 09:24:32 2015
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 09:24:32 -0500
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>

Hi Paolo,

I submitted this problem to LC team as a bug and they answered me that it is not a bug.
So I replaced my database with a large text field, considering that a Mac is more powerfull than an iPad.

Using the same database for the iOS version of the same app, I got no error message.

I can?t understand or find what causes the problem and I stay convinced that is a bug in LC.

Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac?

Alain Vezina
Logilangue

Le 2015-11-03 ? 03:26, Neurox66 <paolo.borzini at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hi Alain,
> I've the same problem and error.
> Were you able to resolve the error?
> 
> Paolo
> 
> 
> 
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From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 09:34:39 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:34:39 +0100
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <3a93cfde633e256c455bc05a0eca353a@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 15:24, Alain Vezina wrote:
> I can?t understand or find what causes the problem and I stay
> convinced that is a bug in LC.
> 
> Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac?

This isn't a bug in LC - doing a search on google for ITMS-90511 shows 
that it is quite a common problem in many dev systems. From looking at 
these it is hard to determine whether this is a 'general' issue, an 
issue with certain code-signing options or an issue with the checking 
Apple do on bundle ids when uploading for the Mac AppStore.

I think it is easy enough for you to fix - you just need to tweak the 
CFBundleId sections in the externals inside your built app - make sure 
they are unique (to your app) rather than the standard 
com.livecode.revdb (for example).

LiveCode doesn't use these bundle-ids in any way so you can make them 
whatever you like.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From david at viral.academy  Tue Nov  3 09:35:54 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:35:54 +0000
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
Message-ID: <CAGASioPMREScjqR3cBfarbAqRc9bE2qgT8R=o+3MR0sf-4ekBA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roger - I'm doing a workshop at Mozilla Festival in London this weekend
as part of the science strand - one of the sessions will be called "Live
Science", another we are focussing on astronomy and code - would be cool to
present Alien Civilization Detection at MozFest.

Any thoughts on what would be useful - I'm particularly interested in
getting people actively involved in discussions and making.


On 3 November 2015 at 06:48, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 11/02/2015 04:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app,
>> AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If
>> The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
>>
>
> Congrats! Looks great.
>
> --
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>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From david at viral.academy  Tue Nov  3 09:54:35 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:54:35 +0000
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
Message-ID: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>

This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are running
a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry Pi's.
We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers to
your projects, helping build communities around open source software
projects.

If you have an open source software project and you would like to attract
developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - let
us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present it /
organise a workshop around the project.

We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a
successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back -
but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you can't
make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and
follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all get
together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source
projects.

Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a few
heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or open
source libraries that you think the community should / you would like to
help out developing?


From paolo.borzini at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 09:55:04 2015
From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:55:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Alain,
thank you for the answer.

In my app, I don't use the database, but the revspeech.bundle.
The number error is that same but the description is different :
ERROR ITMS-90511: "CFBundleIdentifier Collision. The Info.plist
CFBundleIdentifier value 'com.runrev.revspeech' of
'PWGen.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revspeech.bundle' is already in use by
another application."


> Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac? 

I've use  "App Wrapper 3" for sign and package my app for Mac.
Now I've five apps into Mac App Store and I've used always App Wrapper.

Paolo



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From david at viral.academy  Tue Nov  3 11:01:34 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:01:34 +0000
Subject: LiveCode TV Rides Again!
Message-ID: <CAGASioND3YNU6Pt_TqNWriTHpVsuMtE9XzTpzSAUbxvkim-xyA@mail.gmail.com>

Except we'll use a different name, and different technology.

If any of you remember LivCode TV it was a free community project we
started a couple of years back to live stream coding sessions. Since then a
huge amount of things have happened and I feel it is time we restart this
project full of the new juicy open source goodies at our disposal.

I've spend a while experimenting with new techniques in terms of screen
casting, Hangouts on Air, mumble servers, and forms of documenting and
screen-casting open source coding projects, and I'm really looking forwards
to the Livecode TV's new season :)

*What's the Focus?*
The aim of the project is to give a space for the community to have fun
researching and building projects together. A particular focus is the
creation of open source libraries of general use to the community.

If you have an open source project or library that you are working on, or
would simply like to start working on with other people, get in touch on
this thread, or off-list.

*Principles and structure*
All the projects we cover will be free culture
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_culture_movement>.

   - Code projects we work on will be hosted on GitHub - they must be open
   source.
   - Project documentation will be Creative Commons licensed so that it is
   compatible with Wikipedia and other free culture archives.
   - Authors get accreditation for their code and their work.
   - Everyone will get their own writing and research space online
   - We will integrate time and bitcoin donations to community projects and
   individual teachers.
   - We work, code and research together asynchronously and with regular
   Happenings where we get together online or in physical space.
   - Small groups are good. 3-5 people working together can get a lot done.
   We are more interested in researching and making together than marketing.


*Kick Off Event*
We'll be starting and announcing this project at MozFest
<https://2015.mozillafestival.org/> this coming weekend. If you are in
London drop by and see us in the Science Strand. And I'll be following this
up with a series of weekly events based around some open source code and
libraries that I hope will be of general use to the community.

*Technology*
We are working closely with a number of great open source projects, and are
not restricting what we do purely to Livecode. We are also interested in
projects and code bases that play well with Livecode. One of these is Federated
Wiki <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallest_Federated_Wiki> -
http://www.wired.com/2012/07/wiki-inventor/

Federated Wiki is a social architecture in which every writer has their own
personal writing space (wiki) but is able to share data, code and content
with other people by forking pages, or dragging and dropping content from
one site to another. You keep your own research notes, but you share them
with other people with automatic Creative Commons attribution and full
revision history.

We have an early stage server and client implementation of Fedwiki in
LiveCode, and we will be building on this project to integrate it with a
number of other important technologies that provide robust API's (Github,
Wikipedia, Slack, Gitter, IPFS, Ethereum and other Blockchain technologies).

Starting next week we'll be looking at oAuth, Twitter and Facebook API's -
and anything else people on this list suggest as interesting.


From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Nov  3 11:07:52 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:07:52 -0800
Subject: LiveCode TV Rides Again!
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioND3YNU6Pt_TqNWriTHpVsuMtE9XzTpzSAUbxvkim-xyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioND3YNU6Pt_TqNWriTHpVsuMtE9XzTpzSAUbxvkim-xyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB419A44-D39B-439A-8576-C2ED6A3EAA32@earthednet.org>

David,
Awesome! Great idea and I hope to participate.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 8:01 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Except we'll use a different name, and different technology.
> 
> If any of you remember LivCode TV it was a free community project we
> started a couple of years back to live stream coding sessions. Since then a
> huge amount of things have happened and I feel it is time we restart this
> project full of the new juicy open source goodies at our disposal.
> 
> I've spend a while experimenting with new techniques in terms of screen
> casting, Hangouts on Air, mumble servers, and forms of documenting and
> screen-casting open source coding projects, and I'm really looking forwards
> to the Livecode TV's new season :)
> 
> *What's the Focus?*
> The aim of the project is to give a space for the community to have fun
> researching and building projects together. A particular focus is the
> creation of open source libraries of general use to the community.
> 
> If you have an open source project or library that you are working on, or
> would simply like to start working on with other people, get in touch on
> this thread, or off-list.
> 
> *Principles and structure*
> All the projects we cover will be free culture
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_culture_movement>.
> 
>   - Code projects we work on will be hosted on GitHub - they must be open
>   source.
>   - Project documentation will be Creative Commons licensed so that it is
>   compatible with Wikipedia and other free culture archives.
>   - Authors get accreditation for their code and their work.
>   - Everyone will get their own writing and research space online
>   - We will integrate time and bitcoin donations to community projects and
>   individual teachers.
>   - We work, code and research together asynchronously and with regular
>   Happenings where we get together online or in physical space.
>   - Small groups are good. 3-5 people working together can get a lot done.
>   We are more interested in researching and making together than marketing.
> 
> 
> *Kick Off Event*
> We'll be starting and announcing this project at MozFest
> <https://2015.mozillafestival.org/> this coming weekend. If you are in
> London drop by and see us in the Science Strand. And I'll be following this
> up with a series of weekly events based around some open source code and
> libraries that I hope will be of general use to the community.
> 
> *Technology*
> We are working closely with a number of great open source projects, and are
> not restricting what we do purely to Livecode. We are also interested in
> projects and code bases that play well with Livecode. One of these is Federated
> Wiki <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallest_Federated_Wiki> -
> http://www.wired.com/2012/07/wiki-inventor/
> 
> Federated Wiki is a social architecture in which every writer has their own
> personal writing space (wiki) but is able to share data, code and content
> with other people by forking pages, or dragging and dropping content from
> one site to another. You keep your own research notes, but you share them
> with other people with automatic Creative Commons attribution and full
> revision history.
> 
> We have an early stage server and client implementation of Fedwiki in
> LiveCode, and we will be building on this project to integrate it with a
> number of other important technologies that provide robust API's (Github,
> Wikipedia, Slack, Gitter, IPFS, Ethereum and other Blockchain technologies).
> 
> Starting next week we'll be looking at oAuth, Twitter and Facebook API's -
> and anything else people on this list suggest as interesting.
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From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Tue Nov  3 11:08:58 2015
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:08:58 -0500
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
	<1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>

Paolo,

I use the same app and I never had any problem of that kind.
I think I will do what Mark proposes.

Alain

Le 2015-11-03 ? 09:55, Neurox66 <paolo.borzini at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hi Alain,
> thank you for the answer.
> 
> In my app, I don't use the database, but the revspeech.bundle.
> The number error is that same but the description is different :
> ERROR ITMS-90511: "CFBundleIdentifier Collision. The Info.plist
> CFBundleIdentifier value 'com.runrev.revspeech' of
> 'PWGen.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revspeech.bundle' is already in use by
> another application."
> 
> 
>> Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac? 
> 
> I've use  "App Wrapper 3" for sign and package my app for Mac.
> Now I've five apps into Mac App Store and I've used always App Wrapper.
> 
> Paolo
> 
> 
> 
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From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 11:13:06 2015
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:13:06 +0000
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 8.

Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
stacks before testing them.

*Release contents*

*Browser Widget*
This feature introduces a new embeddable browser implemented as a widget,
making it much easier to use than the old revbrowser external.
To add a browser to your application, simply drag and drop the browser
widget onto your stack and set the properties you need.

The browser widget fulfils one of the Kickstarter goals, and also brings
JavaScript integration to iOS and Android for the first time.

Note: We recommend for the time being adding a browser widget to a stack
using the Object > New Widget menu, due to the known issue described below
with drag-drop from the tools palette.


*SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections*
The PostgreSQL database driver has been updated to support secure
connections. The desired SSL connection options can be specified as key
value pairs in the additional parameters of revOpenDatabase.
For full information on the new parameters see the dictionary entry for
revOpenDatabase.


*Improved clipboard and drag-and-drop support*
It is now possible to put multiple types of data on the clipboard at the
same time. For example, you can put an image on the clipboard along with
text describing the image and some private data associated with the image.
For more information, see the "fullClipboardData" and "fullDragData"
entries in the dictionary.
For apps requiring more sophisticated clipboard functionality, new
"rawClipboardData" and "rawDragData" properties have also been added. These
provide low-level access to the system clipboard.


*Resize handles outside object rect*
The resize handles of a selected object are now outside the rect of the
object. Moreover the minimum width and height of an object when resizing
via handles has been removed.


*30 bug fixes*
You can find the list of bug fixes in the menu Help > Release Notes, or
from the download page referenced below.

*Known Issues*
- Cef Browser (and therefore the dictionary and browser widget) does not
currently work on 32-bit Linux
- HTML 5 standalones do not currently function when they contain extensions
with dependencies.
- The browser widget can cause delays and hangs, especially on Windows,
when dragged from the tools palette.
- Browser widget properties are not persistent.

We hope to address at least the latter two issues for the next release.

*Getting the release*
You can get the release at http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

LiveCode 8 is still in development so we?d love to hear any
feedback you have on it. There are a number of features that we?d like to
implement but aren?t ready yet and the existing features are subject to
change during development - we can?t guarantee that extensions written in
Developer Previews will continue to work the same way in later versions.

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93

The LiveCode Team


From blueback09 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 11:24:33 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:24:33 -0800
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DqA8+C_Y1OnrU0FmQkFjnE_KA5f1XTus7S8eL3CVRWEpA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in
Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a
specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still young so
there's plenty of room for new ideas.

I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have any
particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for my
goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the
graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON text
files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph description
language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, there's
the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into
memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library from
Livecode?

Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I haven't
learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are running
> a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry Pi's.
> We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers to
> your projects, helping build communities around open source software
> projects.
>
> If you have an open source software project and you would like to attract
> developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - let
> us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present it /
> organise a workshop around the project.
>
> We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a
> successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back -
> but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you can't
> make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and
> follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all get
> together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source
> projects.
>
> Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a few
> heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or open
> source libraries that you think the community should / you would like to
> help out developing?
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From david at viral.academy  Tue Nov  3 12:00:37 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:00:37 +0000
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DqA8+C_Y1OnrU0FmQkFjnE_KA5f1XTus7S8eL3CVRWEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DqA8+C_Y1OnrU0FmQkFjnE_KA5f1XTus7S8eL3CVRWEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNR4=g91xe1i-t51EqWLgFrgVtbE8kXj-nhaHKw0vM12w@mail.gmail.com>

That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd certainly
join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs?

On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in
> Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a
> specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still young so
> there's plenty of room for new ideas.
>
> I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have any
> particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for my
> goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the
> graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON text
> files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph description
> language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, there's
> the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into
> memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library from
> Livecode?
>
> Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I haven't
> learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>
> > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are
> running
> > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry
> Pi's.
> > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers
> to
> > your projects, helping build communities around open source software
> > projects.
> >
> > If you have an open source software project and you would like to attract
> > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - let
> > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present it /
> > organise a workshop around the project.
> >
> > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a
> > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back -
> > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you can't
> > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and
> > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all get
> > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source
> > projects.
> >
> > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a
> few
> > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or open
> > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like to
> > help out developing?
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From paolo.borzini at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 12:06:08 2015
From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:06:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
	<1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Alain,
after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case a
RevSpeech.bundle.
I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my
CFBundleIdentifier and
the error is disappeared :)
But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error "Invalid
Binary"

I'll investigate

Paolo



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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 12:37:10 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:37:10 -0800
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNR4=g91xe1i-t51EqWLgFrgVtbE8kXj-nhaHKw0vM12w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DqA8+C_Y1OnrU0FmQkFjnE_KA5f1XTus7S8eL3CVRWEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNR4=g91xe1i-t51EqWLgFrgVtbE8kXj-nhaHKw0vM12w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DrsuaUXQ1RwP2wAnpSQ_Uik+DjGOhgw6zgrcrNyybWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>

The focus is on a general purpose framework for modeling many orthogonal
dimensions of information using entities and relationships. When the model
is built correctly the information in it can be queried to produce many
useful things, a subset of which are visuals like business/network graphs.
But for my goal I won't have a use for business graphs any time soon, so
the stuff I'm writing to display graph data is just networks.

Livecode makes it relatively easy to draw stuff on the screen, so one of
the things I'd like to give back to the community is a standardized
interface for pushing graph data into a control and getting back queries
for new data. I'm a new, self-taught coder and I didn't have all that much
trouble implementing an array with graph data and several algorithms for
processing it. Therefore I conclude that it should be pretty straight
forward to implement all of the common expectations of a graphing library
in Livecode. Whether or not it is memory efficient and/or scales at all
well is a different question :)

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:00 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd certainly
> join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs?
>
> On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in
> > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a
> > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still young
> so
> > there's plenty of room for new ideas.
> >
> > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have
> any
> > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for my
> > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the
> > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON text
> > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph
> description
> > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, there's
> > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into
> > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library
> from
> > Livecode?
> >
> > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I
> haven't
> > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> wrote:
> >
> > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are
> > running
> > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry
> > Pi's.
> > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers
> > to
> > > your projects, helping build communities around open source software
> > > projects.
> > >
> > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to
> attract
> > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest -
> let
> > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present
> it /
> > > organise a workshop around the project.
> > >
> > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a
> > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back
> -
> > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you
> can't
> > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and
> > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all
> get
> > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source
> > > projects.
> > >
> > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a
> > few
> > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or
> open
> > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like
> to
> > > help out developing?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 12:55:38 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:55:38 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/03/2015 08:13 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 8.

I'm not quite so pleased.

I had high hopes for this, but it launched once, I had to kill it, and 
now it just hangs with "loading Menubar". No third-party anything, no 
old preferences file to get in the way, removed the license file. 
LC8-dp7 still works correctly. Looking forward to dp9.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 13:06:19 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:06:19 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>

I'm afraid that just froze my Xubuntu 14.04 64-bit rig.

I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up.

As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar
everything locked up.

Richmond.



From irog at mac.com  Tue Nov  3 13:09:28 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 10:09:28 -0800
Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPMREScjqR3cBfarbAqRc9bE2qgT8R=o+3MR0sf-4ekBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPMREScjqR3cBfarbAqRc9bE2qgT8R=o+3MR0sf-4ekBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D7B2AB1-408B-41CC-B7BA-FFB7DA26FAE9@mac.com>

Hi David,

You are certainly welcome to use my AlienCivilizationDetection at MozFest. I would be honored, and I wish I could be there. Please keep in mind that I?m not a real programmer so my code is not sophisticated, to say the least. But then, one could make the point that the beauty of LiveCode is that boneheads like me can do things and stuff!!

Off the top of my head, I would go at it like this:

To best understand what?s physically being portrayed on the Simulation card, which is the focus of the app, I would go to the Tutorial card. A couple of minutes here will clear up a lot of confusion for those who have not thought before in terms of light-years and billions of years of existence/evolution. In fact, the ScaleOmatic card is an attempt to further enhance this kind of perspective.

I suppose you could point out that ACD uses MonteCarlo methods and geometry in its simulation and then dive into the code on the simulation card. The growRings handler is the heart of the dynamics of the simulation and you could look at that. 

I?m not sure how far you want to go with this but I am happy to answer your questions. Perhaps we should go off-list for that?



Thanks,

Roger




> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:35 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roger - I'm doing a workshop at Mozilla Festival in London this weekend
> as part of the science strand - one of the sessions will be called "Live
> Science", another we are focussing on astronomy and code - would be cool to
> present Alien Civilization Detection at MozFest.
> 
> Any thoughts on what would be useful - I'm particularly interested in
> getting people actively involved in discussions and making.
> 
> 
> On 3 November 2015 at 06:48, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/02/2015 04:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>> 
>>> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app,
>>> AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of ?If
>>> The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ? Where Is Everybody?? here:
>>> 
>> 
>> Congrats! Looks great.
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Nov  3 13:15:39 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:15:39 -0600
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
	<1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>
	<1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5638F9CB.1040800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/3/2015 11:06 AM, Neurox66 wrote:
> Hi Alain,
> after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case a
> RevSpeech.bundle.
> I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my
> CFBundleIdentifier and
> the error is disappeared :)
> But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error "Invalid
> Binary"

You can't change anything after the app is built, all changes have to be 
done before the build. Or you can use AppResigner to re-sign the app if 
you change it later (sorry, don't have a link handy.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Nov  3 13:26:37 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:26:37 -0500
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>

See if you can Ctrl-F7, or Ctrl-<any function key> to initiate a
full-screen terminal session.  If so, login and type "init 6" or "reboot"
without  the quotes.

~Roger

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm afraid that just froze my Xubuntu 14.04 64-bit rig.
>
> I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up.
>
> As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar
> everything locked up.
>
> Richmond.
>


From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 13:34:13 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:34:13 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 18:55, Mark Wieder wrote:
> I had high hopes for this, but it launched once, I had to kill it, and
> now it just hangs with "loading Menubar". No third-party anything, no
> old preferences file to get in the way, removed the license file.
> LC8-dp7 still works correctly. Looking forward to dp9.

Well, unfortunately, without more information (or 'luck') it is unlikely 
the situation will improve in dp-9.

Given your existing bug report 
(http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617) I do wonder if this is 
something clipboard related.

There are two things which could help us diagnose the problem:

1) A new strace log taken whilst launching and running the engine (as 
described in the aforementioned report).

2) The IDE 'Tools' log (this should be in ~/.runrev/logs IIRC).

Other information which might help is the list of packages you have 
installed in your Linux system - in particular, do you have a clipboard 
manager, or any other similar 'helper' things installed?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 13:36:07 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:36:07 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 19:06, Richmond wrote:
> I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up.
> 
> As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar
> everything locked up.

When you say 'locked up' I take it you mean the entire desktop?

This is less than ideal :)

At least there seem to be two data points now - you and Mark Wieder seem 
to be having resource / lock-up type issues.

Again, here, a list of packages you have installed on your system might 
help us see what the interaction is - in particular (assuming I'm right 
in thinking it could be clipboard related) do you have any clipboard 
manager / assistant type software installed on your system?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Nov  3 13:39:13 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:39:13 +0100
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <5638F9CB.1040800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
	<1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>
	<1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5638F9CB.1040800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FCA1B4F7-1AD9-4314-99A9-51D5E1E88B72@m-r-d.de>



> Am 03.11.2015 um 19:15 schrieb J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> 
> On 11/3/2015 11:06 AM, Neurox66 wrote:
>> Hi Alain,
>> after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case a
>> RevSpeech.bundle.
>> I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my
>> CFBundleIdentifier and
>> the error is disappeared :)
>> But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error "Invalid
>> Binary"
> 
> You can't change anything after the app is built, all changes have to be done before the build. Or you can use AppResigner to re-sign the app if you change it later (sorry, don't have a link handy.)
> 
AppResigner Info and Download
http://www.gorbster.net/blog/archives/273



> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 13:48:38 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:48:38 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <56390186.5020300@gmail.com>

On 03/11/15 20:36, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2015-11-03 19:06, Richmond wrote:
>> I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up.
>>
>> As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar
>> everything locked up.
>
> When you say 'locked up' I take it you mean the entire desktop?
>
> This is less than ideal :)
>
> At least there seem to be two data points now - you and Mark Wieder 
> seem to be having resource / lock-up type issues.
>
> Again, here, a list of packages you have installed on your system 
> might help us see what the interaction is - in particular (assuming 
> I'm right in thinking it could be clipboard related) do you have any 
> clipboard manager / assistant type software installed on your system?
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342 
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16342>

No: I have no clipboard manager installed.

I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of 
all my installed packages to the bug report:

[ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ]

Richmond.


From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 13:52:00 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:52:00 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <56390186.5020300@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
	<56390186.5020300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 19:48, Richmond wrote:
> Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342
> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16342>
> 
> No: I have no clipboard manager installed.
> 
> I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of
> all my installed packages to the bug report:
> 
> [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ]

Great - that should mean we can replicate your system.

Another thing you could try (assuming you don't mind perhaps having to 
do a reboot again!) is to try installing in a freshly created user 
account and running from there.

This will help determine if it is any local (user-level) settings in the 
system which is causing the problem.

(Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 13:53:20 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:53:20 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
	<56390186.5020300@gmail.com>
	<d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <563902A0.4090109@gmail.com>

On 03/11/15 20:52, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2015-11-03 19:48, Richmond wrote:
>> Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16342>
>>
>> No: I have no clipboard manager installed.
>>
>> I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of
>> all my installed packages to the bug report:
>>
>> [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ]
>
> Great - that should mean we can replicate your system.
>
> Another thing you could try (assuming you don't mind perhaps having to 
> do a reboot again!) is to try installing in a freshly created user 
> account and running from there.

Some people are never satisfied :P

OK, I'll get on with it.

Richmond.

>
> This will help determine if it is any local (user-level) settings in 
> the system which is causing the problem.
>
> (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)).
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 13:54:12 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:54:12 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <563902D4.2090203@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/03/2015 10:36 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:

> When you say 'locked up' I take it you mean the entire desktop?

In my case at least, the initial lockup took the desktop with it.
Afterwards it's just LC. I can kill the process from a terminal prompt.

> Again, here, a list of packages you have installed on your system might
> help us see what the interaction is - in particular (assuming I'm right
> in thinking it could be clipboard related) do you have any clipboard
> manager / assistant type software installed on your system?

And I can't speak for Richmond, but there's nothing like that in my system.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 14:00:01 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:00:01 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net>
	<0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <56390431.8040303@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/03/2015 10:34 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:

> 2) The IDE 'Tools' log (this should be in ~/.runrev/logs IIRC).

Well, now, there's something interesting.
The final entry in the Tools log is:

     Loading Menu Bar...
     Enter Menus Initialisation
       Trying to get the platform
       Linux

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 14:02:06 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:02:06 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
	<56390186.5020300@gmail.com>
	<d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <563904AE.5020000@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/03/2015 10:52 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:

> (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)).

I noticed the post, but I always install for all users.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 14:04:58 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:04:58 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563904AE.5020000@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
	<56390186.5020300@gmail.com>
	<d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
	<563904AE.5020000@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <afdf5a7ff54002340bacfb7bbd9d6d83@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 20:02, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 11/03/2015 10:52 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> 
>> (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)).
> 
> I noticed the post, but I always install for all users.

Yes - but local user accounts can hold user-specific system settings. So 
whilst LiveCode might be installed for 'All Users' - it still runs in 
the context of the current user (unless of course you sudo it!).

So however LiveCode is installed, trying in a completely fresh user 
account could still provide potentially useful information.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 14:10:01 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:10:01 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com>
	<56390186.5020300@gmail.com>
	<d0d716bd6d1e3d3611b66b9022616043@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <56390689.4000301@gmail.com>

On 03/11/15 20:52, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2015-11-03 19:48, Richmond wrote:
>> Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16342>
>>
>> No: I have no clipboard manager installed.
>>
>> I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of
>> all my installed packages to the bug report:
>>
>> [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ]
>
> Great - that should mean we can replicate your system.
>
> Another thing you could try (assuming you don't mind perhaps having to 
> do a reboot again!) is to try installing in a freshly created user 
> account and running from there.
>
> This will help determine if it is any local (user-level) settings in 
> the system which is causing the problem.
>
> (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)).
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>

OK, I set up another user and did the "You Only" install, and everything 
installed correctly.

On starting up LiveCode 8.0 DP8 the IDE got stuck at the "BIG 8" splash 
screen, I was able
to 'kill' the process via the TaskManager.

More details with the Bug report.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 14:16:11 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:16:11 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com>

On 03/11/15 20:26, Roger Eller wrote:
> See if you can Ctrl-F7, or Ctrl-<any function key> to initiate a
> full-screen terminal session.  If so, login and type "init 6" or "reboot"
> without  the quotes.
>
> ~Roger
>
>

I'm not entirely sure what the benefit would be.

Richmond.



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 14:18:34 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:18:34 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>
	<563907FB.8040202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 20:16, Richmond wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure what the benefit would be.

If the window server ('the xserver') completely crashes or freezes then 
you can usually still get to a terminal with the above keyboard shortcut 
to allow you to get back to a terminal (which doesn't run in the 
windowing system) allowing you to do a clean shutdown / restart.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Nov  3 14:20:43 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:20:43 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <56390431.8040303@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net>
	<0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com>
	<56390431.8040303@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5639090B.7070500@ahsoftware.net>

...and I'll attach the full strace log to the same bug report, but it 
does appear that the last real entry in there is the clipboard.

poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN|POLLOUT}], 1, 4294967295) = 1 ([{fd=3, 
revents=POLLOUT}])
writev(3, [{"\20\0\5\0\t\0`\4CLIPBOARD\261\222\0", 20}, {NULL, 0}, {"", 
0}], 3) = 20
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 4294967295) = 1 ([{fd=3, revents=POLLIN}])
recvmsg(3, {msg_name(0)=NULL, 
msg_iov(1)=[{"\1\0\n\1\0\0\0\0\225\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 
4096}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 32
recvmsg(3, 0x7fff1cc79cc0, 0)           = -1 EAGAIN (Resource 
temporarily unavailable)
recvmsg(3, 0x7fff1cc79cc0, 0)           = -1 EAGAIN (Resource 
temporarily unavailable)
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, 
events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0 (Timeout)
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, 
events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0 (Timeout)

...then loops forever

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 14:21:34 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:21:34 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>
	<563907FB.8040202@gmail.com>
	<14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <5639093E.7020600@gmail.com>

On 03/11/15 21:18, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2015-11-03 20:16, Richmond wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure what the benefit would be.
>
> If the window server ('the xserver') completely crashes or freezes 
> then you can usually still get to a terminal with the above keyboard 
> shortcut to allow you to get back to a terminal (which doesn't run in 
> the windowing system) allowing you to do a clean shutdown / restart.
>

Ha, Ha, Ha:

"clean" shutdowns, startups or restarts have never been part of my style :P

R.

> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>




From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 14:22:52 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:22:52 +0100
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
	<1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>
	<1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <bb5c7b4a28c9445151c16200d893fc89@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 18:06, Neurox66 wrote:
> Hi Alain,
> after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case 
> a
> RevSpeech.bundle.
> I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my
> CFBundleIdentifier and
> the error is disappeared :)
> But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error 
> "Invalid
> Binary"

Just to reiterate what Jacque also said...

After an app has been signed, you must not alter any part of it as that 
invalidates the code signature - so you need to make the changes before 
passing it through the program you are using to turn it into something 
you can upload to the appstore.

Another possibility - it isn't clear from what you said whether you used 
the same CFBundleIdentifier in the revspeech.bundle as in your 
application plist. If so - this will likely cause the AppStore to 
complain.

I suggest giving the revspeech.bundle an id of the form 
'<your-app-bundle-id>.revspeech'.

Which of course makes me realize there is something we could do to help 
here...

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16343

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Nov  3 14:23:23 2015
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:23:23 -0600
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563909AB.7000507@warrensweb.us>

On 11/03/2015 12:06 PM, Richmond wrote:

>
> As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar
> everything locked up.
>
> Richmond.
>


OpenSUSE 64bit with KDE Plasma5. I had no troubles opening this version, 
but get similar behavior to that which Richmond describes here except 
that it's not really frozen or "locked up". What happens here is that 
the main menu bar (top row) refuses to give up focus upon mouse-exit. 
The selected dropdown remains in the extended position. Moving to 
another menu item will open that dropdown which again refuses to retract 
when the mouse leaves. However, selecting any item/action from the 
dropdown list performs the selected task, closes the dropdown and 
everything goes back to normal until another menu item is selected.

Warren



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 14:24:58 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:24:58 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <5639093E.7020600@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>
	<563907FB.8040202@gmail.com>
	<14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com>
	<5639093E.7020600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c356ab2790c756356fec7de0b562584f@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 20:21, Richmond wrote:
> "clean" shutdowns, startups or restarts have never been part of my 
> style :P

Heh - I think it perhap less necessary these days due to advances in 
filesystems and their implementation...

However, I do remember a time (many years ago) that failure to shutdown 
cleanly would sometimes result in 'nasty' messages on startup... Or just 
a very long wait whilst fsck (filesystem integrity checker) would run to 
make sure that nothing untoward had happened.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Nov  3 14:28:12 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:28:12 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563909AB.7000507@warrensweb.us>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <563909AB.7000507@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <c3fb0bd19b78eefc93a0630d451689e6@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 20:23, Warren Samples wrote:
> OpenSUSE 64bit with KDE Plasma5. I had no troubles opening this
> version, but get similar behavior to that which Richmond describes
> ...
> item/action from the dropdown list performs the selected task, closes
> the dropdown and everything goes back to normal until another menu
> item is selected.

Hmmm - now *that* sounds like an unwanted side effect of this patch:

https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/3114

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 14:52:11 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:52:11 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPgdr2JXjAsO_JMEjBF9+asNmjKwaDhj431osmc0xv-QA@mail.gmail.com>
	<563907FB.8040202@gmail.com>
	<14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <5639106B.2020304@gmail.com>

Pissing around with log files:

Frankly I feel bloody silly, as, after the first run I deleted the clean 
user account.
To get the log file I set up another clean account AND LiveCode 8.0 DP8 
installed
AND ran with NO obvious problems at all.

All in the big report.

Richmond.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 15:47:31 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:47:31 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHqBbg-E+ANLt_==1atKnk3hPW3dB2sk7Pj7G6+1NV_UQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> wrote:

> *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections*


Ooooh.

Is this one going to back-port into 7?


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Tue Nov  3 19:16:07 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:16:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] lcStackBrowser v2.2.1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNdWPb-0S=xOwNUe07w_XMuFSCYv8O6KOYZQtKVuDDhKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNdWPb-0S=xOwNUe07w_XMuFSCYv8O6KOYZQtKVuDDhKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446596167985-4698427.post@n4.nabble.com>

As a user of lcStackBrowser, just want to say this latest release has
completely replaced my need for the LC Project Browser. I was experiencing
chronic crashes with LC's Project Browser. Those went away with
lcStackBrowser. And it has reduced screen clutter from the IDE by gathering
so much functionality into one window.

Recommended!

Tom Bodine




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From roland.huettmann at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 19:59:57 2015
From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (Roland Huettmann)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:59:57 +0000
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DrsuaUXQ1RwP2wAnpSQ_Uik+DjGOhgw6zgrcrNyybWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DqA8+C_Y1OnrU0FmQkFjnE_KA5f1XTus7S8eL3CVRWEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNR4=g91xe1i-t51EqWLgFrgVtbE8kXj-nhaHKw0vM12w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DrsuaUXQ1RwP2wAnpSQ_Uik+DjGOhgw6zgrcrNyybWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-=WV8CbMJcidPWJyZKWSKpPF=GxbLZ_69RBFbWVsDXkXJRVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I do not know if this contribution applies here, but i see a need for a
project about 2D and 3D text rendering. At least rendering text is
something useful for a LiveCode project, in my point of view.

Then what about drawing interactive relationship graphs for database
application development defining database objects which will also be
defining the databases inserting a middle layer, and at the same time in
Livecode such database application could become live, using different
themes and styles, allowing to enter data and using data browsing
immediately?

Then there is a business need to draw items interactively based on sizes
and other attributes in vector formats, to store and display them.

I would be very much interested in unlocking and accessing all kinds of
APIs, such as Google, Gmail, or Skype, Viber, or Facebook, etc.

>From a general user point of view: What about   a Unified MyData Tool where
all communication is hooked to one central place bringing together all my
activities, all my mail, all my tasks and all my events under one roof?

Roland



On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, 18:38 Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The focus is on a general purpose framework for modeling many orthogonal
> dimensions of information using entities and relationships. When the model
> is built correctly the information in it can be queried to produce many
> useful things, a subset of which are visuals like business/network graphs.
> But for my goal I won't have a use for business graphs any time soon, so
> the stuff I'm writing to display graph data is just networks.
>
> Livecode makes it relatively easy to draw stuff on the screen, so one of
> the things I'd like to give back to the community is a standardized
> interface for pushing graph data into a control and getting back queries
> for new data. I'm a new, self-taught coder and I didn't have all that much
> trouble implementing an array with graph data and several algorithms for
> processing it. Therefore I conclude that it should be pretty straight
> forward to implement all of the common expectations of a graphing library
> in Livecode. Whether or not it is memory efficient and/or scales at all
> well is a different question :)
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:00 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>
> > That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd certainly
> > join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs?
> >
> > On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in
> > > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a
> > > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still
> young
> > so
> > > there's plenty of room for new ideas.
> > >
> > > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have
> > any
> > > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for
> my
> > > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the
> > > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON
> text
> > > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph
> > description
> > > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course,
> there's
> > > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into
> > > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library
> > from
> > > Livecode?
> > >
> > > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I
> > haven't
> > > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are
> > > running
> > > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry
> > > Pi's.
> > > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract
> developers
> > > to
> > > > your projects, helping build communities around open source software
> > > > projects.
> > > >
> > > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to
> > attract
> > > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest -
> > let
> > > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present
> > it /
> > > > organise a workshop around the project.
> > > >
> > > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as
> a
> > > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years
> back
> > -
> > > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you
> > can't
> > > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online
> and
> > > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all
> > get
> > > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source
> > > > projects.
> > > >
> > > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from
> getting a
> > > few
> > > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or
> > open
> > > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like
> > to
> > > > help out developing?
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From david at viral.academy  Tue Nov  3 20:32:09 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:32:09 +0000
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
In-Reply-To: <CAH-=WV8CbMJcidPWJyZKWSKpPF=GxbLZ_69RBFbWVsDXkXJRVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNga5B7iPP7VKTf09HzOZWNgvO4RK--ApTwnExHW4Ptng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DqA8+C_Y1OnrU0FmQkFjnE_KA5f1XTus7S8eL3CVRWEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNR4=g91xe1i-t51EqWLgFrgVtbE8kXj-nhaHKw0vM12w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DrsuaUXQ1RwP2wAnpSQ_Uik+DjGOhgw6zgrcrNyybWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH-=WV8CbMJcidPWJyZKWSKpPF=GxbLZ_69RBFbWVsDXkXJRVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNo3aJFJeBJLWd-hibcSoX+-gAKB-HXcBPsRQ-v6GMriQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roland:

On Wednesday, 4 November 2015, Roland Huettmann <roland.huettmann at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> I would be very much interested in unlocking and accessing all kinds of
> APIs, such as Google, Gmail, or Skype, Viber, or Facebook, etc.


I can  definitely contribute to working on and providing existing code for
a number of these api's. Integrating LiveCode with some of these Restful
api's by providing documented libraries and sample stacks would be great.

Let's start with whatever people have, and look at the current state of
open source code for API's?

>From a general user point of view: What about   a Unified MyData Tool where
> all communication is hooked to one central place bringing together all my
> activities, all my mail, all my tasks and all my events under one roof?


dAT is an interesting project


>
> Roland
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, 18:38 Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > The focus is on a general purpose framework for modeling many orthogonal
> > dimensions of information using entities and relationships. When the
> model
> > is built correctly the information in it can be queried to produce many
> > useful things, a subset of which are visuals like business/network
> graphs.
> > But for my goal I won't have a use for business graphs any time soon, so
> > the stuff I'm writing to display graph data is just networks.
> >
> > Livecode makes it relatively easy to draw stuff on the screen, so one of
> > the things I'd like to give back to the community is a standardized
> > interface for pushing graph data into a control and getting back queries
> > for new data. I'm a new, self-taught coder and I didn't have all that
> much
> > trouble implementing an array with graph data and several algorithms for
> > processing it. Therefore I conclude that it should be pretty straight
> > forward to implement all of the common expectations of a graphing library
> > in Livecode. Whether or not it is memory efficient and/or scales at all
> > well is a different question :)
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:00 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> wrote:
> >
> > > That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd
> certainly
> > > join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs?
> > >
> > > On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in
> > > > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to
> do a
> > > > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still
> > young
> > > so
> > > > there's plenty of room for new ideas.
> > > >
> > > > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't
> have
> > > any
> > > > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful
> for
> > my
> > > > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store
> the
> > > > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON
> > text
> > > > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph
> > > description
> > > > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course,
> > there's
> > > > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into
> > > > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library
> > > from
> > > > Livecode?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I
> > > haven't
> > > > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are
> > > > running
> > > > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and
> Raspberry
> > > > Pi's.
> > > > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract
> > developers
> > > > to
> > > > > your projects, helping build communities around open source
> software
> > > > > projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to
> > > attract
> > > > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at
> MozFest -
> > > let
> > > > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can
> present
> > > it /
> > > > > organise a workshop around the project.
> > > > >
> > > > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions
> as
> > a
> > > > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years
> > back
> > > -
> > > > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you
> > > can't
> > > > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online
> > and
> > > > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can
> all
> > > get
> > > > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open
> source
> > > > > projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from
> > getting a
> > > > few
> > > > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about
> or
> > > open
> > > > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > help out developing?
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <javascript:;>
> > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > > subscription preferences:
> > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > > > >
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> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Nov  3 21:27:45 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:27:45 -0800
Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this
	weekend.
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNo3aJFJeBJLWd-hibcSoX+-gAKB-HXcBPsRQ-v6GMriQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNo3aJFJeBJLWd-hibcSoX+-gAKB-HXcBPsRQ-v6GMriQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56396D21.8090708@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> I can  definitely contribute to working on and providing existing code for
> a number of these api's. Integrating LiveCode with some of these Restful
> api's by providing documented libraries and sample stacks would be great.
>
> Let's start with whatever people have, and look at the current state of
> open source code for API's?

Do we have a current robust OAuth2 lib in the community?

So much depends on that red wheel barrow....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From blueback09 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 22:59:30 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:59:30 -0800
Subject: community DP7 variable watcher empty
Message-ID: <CA+S82DqF5KP2LvTx8TCpsWj4nkRtMDbXyTHRnHr0Uw4_07Uj1A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Community DP7 on Windows 8.1 and the variable watcher isn't
showing me anything inside of my array(s). It will show the first line of
whatever's in there in the watcher itself, but when I click the little
expand button to see everything the window is always blank.

Is anyone else having that problem?


From johnpatten at me.com  Tue Nov  3 23:44:47 2015
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:44:47 -0800
Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files?
Message-ID: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com>

Hi All,

I just noticed that the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows to set the visible of the widget. Is setting the visible possible in the previous CEFBrowser? I don?t think I had noticed that in the old browser object?

Also, are these widgets going to be compatible in iOS/Android too, and if so how would I set the browser to open a local file? 

Normally I would do a:

put revBrowserOpenCEF (the windowId of this stack, "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html") into sBrowserID 

?and it works. I tried different flavors of this in the browser widget with no success.

Thanks in advance!

John Patten 
SUSD


From monte at appisle.net  Wed Nov  4 00:07:48 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:07:48 +1100
Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files?
In-Reply-To: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com>
References: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com>
Message-ID: <376F4CE4-D0E0-48B4-8E36-B0A34306F5D2@appisle.net>

I haven?t looked at it but I suspect there would be a property like url:

Try:
set the url of widget ?X? to "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html?

If that doesn?t work then there must be some browser widget docs in there.

> On 4 Nov 2015, at 3:44 pm, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just noticed that the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows to set the visible of the widget. Is setting the visible possible in the previous CEFBrowser? I don?t think I had noticed that in the old browser object?
> 
> Also, are these widgets going to be compatible in iOS/Android too, and if so how would I set the browser to open a local file? 
> 
> Normally I would do a:
> 
> put revBrowserOpenCEF (the windowId of this stack, "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html") into sBrowserID 
> 
> ?and it works. I tried different flavors of this in the browser widget with no success.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> John Patten 
> SUSD
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From johnpatten at me.com  Wed Nov  4 00:12:15 2015
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:12:15 -0800
Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files?
In-Reply-To: <376F4CE4-D0E0-48B4-8E36-B0A34306F5D2@appisle.net>
References: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com>
	<376F4CE4-D0E0-48B4-8E36-B0A34306F5D2@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <73D27771-E649-4D56-AC12-63430CDA6420@me.com>

Thanks Monte!

That was it :) 

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at appisle.net> wrote:
> 
> & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html?



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Nov  4 00:20:25 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:20:25 -0800
Subject: on-rev forums?
Message-ID: <56399599.8070006@ahsoftware.net>

I accidentally got to the on-rev forums this afternoon instead of the 
livecode forums, so I thought I'd log on and see what's new.

[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /index.php on line 86: date(): It is 
not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* 
to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() 
function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still 
getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone 
identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set 
date.timezone to select your timezone.
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /index.php on line 86: getdate(): It 
is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are 
*required* to use the date.timezone setting or the 
date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those 
methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely 
misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for 
now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone.
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3778: 
Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output 
started at /includes/functions.php:3184)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3780: 
Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output 
started at /includes/functions.php:3184)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3781: 
Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output 
started at /includes/functions.php:3184)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3782: 
Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output 
started at /includes/functions.php:3184)

plus it threw 500s getting cron.php?cron_type=queue

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bogdanoff at me.com  Wed Nov  4 01:30:54 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 22:30:54 -0800
Subject: Quitting Runtime in Windows
Message-ID: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com>

I?m on a Mac.

In Windows, what is the key combination to quit a runtime? Alt + ?

Peter Bogdanoff


From monte at appisle.net  Wed Nov  4 01:31:08 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:31:08 +1100
Subject: [ANN] mergExt iOS 9.1 releases
Message-ID: <5ADDF366-9A8F-4305-A2FF-123B72074E68@appisle.net>

Hi LiveCoders

I have just uploaded new builds of all my iOS externals to support iOS 9.1 using the latest versions of Xcode and LiveCode.

Also a friendly reminder that the 3 year special ends on Sunday http://mergext <http://mergext/>.com/special

Cheers

Monte

From mark at livecode.com  Wed Nov  4 01:40:50 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:40:50 +0000
Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files?
In-Reply-To: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com>
References: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com>
Message-ID: <08D33BF1-6045-4E29-BFBF-C0002CF83367@livecode.com>

The browser widget works on Mac, Windows, Linux 64-bit, Android and iOS.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Nov 2015, at 04:44, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just noticed that the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows to set the visible of the widget. Is setting the visible possible in the previous CEFBrowser? I don?t think I had noticed that in the old browser object?
> 
> Also, are these widgets going to be compatible in iOS/Android too, and if so how would I set the browser to open a local file? 
> 
> Normally I would do a:
> 
> put revBrowserOpenCEF (the windowId of this stack, "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html") into sBrowserID 
> 
> ?and it works. I tried different flavors of this in the browser widget with no success.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> John Patten 
> SUSD
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From paolo.borzini at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 02:02:18 2015
From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:02:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: error ITMS-90511
In-Reply-To: <bb5c7b4a28c9445151c16200d893fc89@livecode.com>
References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com>
	<1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FED618B2-AA35-48AB-BEA6-A76B51C2F544@logilangue.com>
	<1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com>
	<1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<bb5c7b4a28c9445151c16200d893fc89@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1446620538813-4698439.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hello to all,
thanks for the answers.
Unfortunately I realized: my English is very bad, 
also I've failed to explain my problem. 
In four years I've been published for the Mac Apple store 
more than fifteen applications including five in my name. 
I know that cannot modify the app after been signed. 
I had also already tried to use AppResigner and gives me this error:

/Users/TWF/Documents/LiveCode/PWGen/definitivi/PWGen/PWGen.app/: code object
is not signed at all
In subcomponent:
/Users/TWF/Documents/LiveCode/PWGen/definitivi/PWGen/PWGen.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revspeech.bundle

With AppWrapper3 I've tried plugging in the plist file CFBundleID 
unique, as required by Apple but in vain :-(

Are there any other LC coder who submitted to the 
Mac App Store (not iOS) apps that use revSpeech or others .bundle?

Regards,
Paolo



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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Nov  4 02:24:43 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:24:43 +0100
Subject: AW: Quitting Runtime in Windows
In-Reply-To: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com>
References: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com>
Message-ID: <004401d116d1$e0c35a50$a24a0ef0$@kestner.de>

Alt + F4

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Peter Bogdanoff
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2015 07:31
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Betreff: Quitting Runtime in Windows

I?m on a Mac.

In Windows, what is the key combination to quit a runtime? Alt + ?

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From bogdanoff at me.com  Wed Nov  4 02:28:56 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:28:56 -0800
Subject: Quitting Runtime in Windows
In-Reply-To: <004401d116d1$e0c35a50$a24a0ef0$@kestner.de>
References: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com>
	<004401d116d1$e0c35a50$a24a0ef0$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <769E7C08-C343-4FEA-B2A0-530AD41648D3@me.com>

thanks.

On Nov 3, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:

> Alt + F4
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
> von Peter Bogdanoff
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2015 07:31
> An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Betreff: Quitting Runtime in Windows
> 
> I?m on a Mac.
> 
> In Windows, what is the key combination to quit a runtime? Alt + ?
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Wed Nov  4 02:59:44 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:59:44 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHqBbg-E+ANLt_==1atKnk3hPW3dB2sk7Pj7G6+1NV_UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1j5F4graONTYjbh=8yeWsE+RG65Oqp_vKG9WMO5-ohxrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHqBbg-E+ANLt_==1atKnk3hPW3dB2sk7Pj7G6+1NV_UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-03 21:47, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections*
> 
> 
> Ooooh.
> 
> Is this one going to back-port into 7?

At the moment, there are no plans for a backport.  It's probably not a 
good idea anyway -- adding new features to a "stable" release series is 
a frequent cause of regressions and unhappy users.

                          Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit! <https://reddit.com/r/livecode>



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Nov  4 03:20:49 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:49 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7835.1446577809.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7835.1446577809.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8F445192-D5FB-49D0-B82A-8C4D9A38B59C@derbrill.de>

> At the moment, there are no plans for a backport. It's probably not a good idea anyway -- adding new features to a "stable" release series is a frequent cause of regressions and unhappy users.

Is it still an external? If so, we could try at our own risk if it would work with 7. As 8 is still a bit down the road this might come in handy?

All the best,

Malte


From mark at livecode.com  Wed Nov  4 03:25:41 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:25:41 +0100
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <8F445192-D5FB-49D0-B82A-8C4D9A38B59C@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.7835.1446577809.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<8F445192-D5FB-49D0-B82A-8C4D9A38B59C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <69995ad63aa112dd1062f6e163612ead@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-04 09:20, Malte Brill wrote:
> Is it still an external? If so, we could try at our own risk if it
> would work with 7. As 8 is still a bit down the road this might come
> in handy?

It is 'just' the dbpostgres driver which has changed - so, yes, you are 
more than welcome to try that. However, it isn't a configuration (7.x + 
updated dbdrivers) we are planning on officially supporting but if it 
works for you then there's no harm.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From gmcrev at tpg.com.au  Wed Nov  4 06:26:19 2015
From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:26:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
Message-ID: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>

I have uploaded DropboxAPI_2_tester.livecode to RevOnline:
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/794/DropboxAPI_2_tester
This demonstrates all the calls in v2 of the Dropbox API.

It uses the FASTJSON v0.4.1 library of  Bob Hall. Thanks Bob for this work.
https://github.com/bhall2001/fastjson

Guglielmo Braguglia published a dropbox library for API v1
http://www.phoenixsea.ch/downloads/Livecode/phxDropboxLib.zip

A free library for v2 of the Dropbox API is needed for the community to use.
Hopefully this stack will be an easy starting point for that.

-- 
Gerard McCarthy
gmcrev at tpg.com.au



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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 08:50:26 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:50:26 -0500
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
In-Reply-To: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <563A0D22.7060800@gmail.com>

Thanks Gerard.

I have been trying to work thru the steps within you getting started 
page.   I am stuck on step 3 where you say "Click Submit Call". Can you 
clarify that a bit?   I don't see anything that looks like a submit call 
button.

Regards,
     Mike



On 11/4/15 6:26 AM, gmcrev wrote:
> I have uploaded DropboxAPI_2_tester.livecode to RevOnline:
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/794/DropboxAPI_2_tester
> This demonstrates all the calls in v2 of the Dropbox API.
>
> It uses the FASTJSON v0.4.1 library of  Bob Hall. Thanks Bob for this work.
> https://github.com/bhall2001/fastjson
>
> Guglielmo Braguglia published a dropbox library for API v1
> http://www.phoenixsea.ch/downloads/Livecode/phxDropboxLib.zip
>
> A free library for v2 of the Dropbox API is needed for the community to use.
> Hopefully this stack will be an easy starting point for that.
>




From gmcrev at tpg.com.au  Wed Nov  4 09:39:39 2015
From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:39:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
In-Reply-To: <563A0D22.7060800@gmail.com>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563A0D22.7060800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446647979249-4698447.post@n4.nabble.com>

Sorry Michael.
Typos.

should read
Step 3: Get User Account ID from
https://dropbox.github.io/dropbox-api-v2-explorer/#get_current_account
1. Paste in Access Token from Step 2
2. Click Submit Call
3. Copy the value of the account_id from the Response (without the quotes) 
4. Paste it in the UserAccountID field

This can also be gotten by using users-get_current_account in the
API2callsList within the livecode stack.



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Nov  4 09:57:37 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:57:37 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>

Peter TB Brett wrote:

 > On 2015-11-03 21:47, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
 >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote:
 >>
 >>> *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections*
 >>
 >> Ooooh.
 >>
 >> Is this one going to back-port into 7?
 >
 > At the moment, there are no plans for a backport.  It's probably not
 > a good idea anyway -- adding new features to a "stable" release
 > series is a frequent cause of regressions and unhappy users.

Agreed.  The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered.

Clearly it should go in v7.2.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Nov  4 12:04:45 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:04:45 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <563A3AAD.1090806@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/04/2015 06:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Agreed.  The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered.
>
> Clearly it should go in v7.2.
>

LOL

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Nov  4 12:06:19 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:06:19 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/04/2015 06:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Agreed.  The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered.

Er... wait... there's a stable 7.1.1 release?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Nov  4 12:49:39 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:49:39 +0000
Subject: LC 8.0 dp8... cannot copy
Message-ID: <DUB114-W812D72974139429127E05FED2A0@phx.gbl>

Just tried to run a stack under LC 8

Everything is fine under LC7.1, there are a couple of folders and a couple of files in the 'copy files' pane... Everything loads as it should.. No problem

Under LC 8 I get an error message...

Cannot copy
/Users/johndixon/Desktop/rugby/otherlogos/cal.png

Clicking the 'OK' button just brings up a second answer dialog...

Unable to build for simulation.Cannot copy
/Users/johndixon/Desktop/rugby/otherlogos/cal.png

I have checked the folders and the files, they are fine... I have gone back to using 7.1 and everything loads in the simulator...

but go back to LC 8 and the 'dialogs' return ...:-(

any ideas ?


 		 	   		  

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Nov  4 13:26:02 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 10:26:02 -0800
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
Message-ID: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>

I came across this article yesterday about QT updating issues and its 
security implications, which reminded me of the recent discussion about 
this on the list:
<http://www.pcworld.com/article/2999922/security/apple-users-having-trouble-auto-updating-quicktime-on-windows-8-10.html?google_editors_picks=true>


This got me thinking:

LC 8's Builder seems to be coming along well, with foreign handlers, 
refined drawing control, etc.

Given what's in place now, would this be a practical time to consider 
using Builder to implement the Kickstarter goal of "Improved 
cross-platform multimedia support"?

A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within 
the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use 
case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable 
Kickstarter goals, yes?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Nov  4 13:29:28 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:29:28 +0100
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
In-Reply-To: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>
References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CD134808-5AD2-4F10-8AF5-2794A246FA74@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Am 04.11.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:
> 
> I came across this article yesterday about QT updating issues and its security implications, which reminded me of the recent discussion about this on the list:
> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/2999922/security/apple-users-having-trouble-auto-updating-quicktime-on-windows-8-10.html?google_editors_picks=true>
> 
> This got me thinking:
> 
> LC 8's Builder seems to be coming along well, with foreign handlers, refined drawing control, etc.
> Given what's in place now, would this be a practical time to consider using Builder to implement the Kickstarter goal of "Improved cross-platform multimedia support"?
> A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable Kickstarter goals, yes?

a thousand times YES! 

And it should also handle imported video/audio clips, if possible! 8-)

> -- 
> Richard Gaskin

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Nov  4 13:42:24 2015
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:42:24 -0500
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
In-Reply-To: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>
References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-mkcHwydNCL+CFfzXaAEMNajZZsbdctWmj2OpOu7Mc6g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
>
> A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within
> the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use
> case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable
> Kickstarter goals, yes?
>

Hopefully the work that was done to create the browser widget in
DP-8 laid the necessary foundation for the multimedia control. Given my
(limited) understanding, it appears that displaying a browser in a widget
and sending callbacks uses the same underlying widget features that
displaying a media player would require. I could be at off though.

-- 
Trevor DeVore


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 14:19:06 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:19:06 -0400
Subject: What is "Open Language"?
Message-ID: <CAN3QPOw9d47D5MB55EOEmb4ST3FVjnc-_JDL++oFY+66oNuO8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bernard,

on Tue Nov 3, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I believe that the Hypertalk 2.2 Reference book
> (Jeanne de Voto et. al) has a BNF diagram of
> the language at the end.  I could be mistaken,
> as my copy of the book has been in storage for
> a number of years.  But if I remember correctly,
> then it seems at least at that stage the language
> was not too loosey-goosey.

Many Thanks for this information.
Jeanne publish this BNF diagram in
her website:
http://www.jaedworks.com/hypercard/scripts/hypertalk-bnf.html

Al



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 14:44:36 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:44:36 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>

On 04/11/15 19:06, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 11/04/2015 06:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered.
>
> Er... wait... there's a stable 7.1.1 release?
>

To be honest I haven't looked in the stable for a while: last time I was
there there were 4 horses, 17 cows and an awful lot of rather smelly
straw from fouled winter bedding.

Richmond.



From kevin at livecode.com  Wed Nov  4 15:38:51 2015
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:38:51 +0000
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-mkcHwydNCL+CFfzXaAEMNajZZsbdctWmj2OpOu7Mc6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>
	<CAHg3tG-mkcHwydNCL+CFfzXaAEMNajZZsbdctWmj2OpOu7Mc6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2601C78.90495%kevin@livecode.com>

Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget
architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the
groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also do
other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls you
create using syntax as widgets.

It seems my non-coding pensioner parents are finally getting the point of
widgets too. Tonight they came round to deliver some meals they had made
for me, with a dish labeled ?a widget of apple sauce, to be reused for
different meals?.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 04/11/2015 18:42, "use-livecode on behalf of Trevor DeVore"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Richard Gaskin
><ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within
>> the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use
>> case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable
>> Kickstarter goals, yes?
>>
>
>Hopefully the work that was done to create the browser widget in
>DP-8 laid the necessary foundation for the multimedia control. Given my
>(limited) understanding, it appears that displaying a browser in a widget
>and sending callbacks uses the same underlying widget features that
>displaying a media player would require. I could be at off though.
>
>-- 
>Trevor DeVore
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Nov  4 15:46:01 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:46:01 -0800
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
In-Reply-To: <D2601C78.90495%kevin@livecode.com>
References: <D2601C78.90495%kevin@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <563A6E89.5020103@fourthworld.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:

> Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget
> architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the
> groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also do
> other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls you
> create using syntax as widgets.

Very exciting.

What is the release date for v8.0 Stable, and in which version might we 
expect the new player-like control?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From kevin at livecode.com  Wed Nov  4 15:53:38 2015
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:53:38 +0000
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
In-Reply-To: <563A6E89.5020103@fourthworld.com>
References: <D2601C78.90495%kevin@livecode.com>
	<563A6E89.5020103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D2602080.904B5%kevin@livecode.com>

Good question. We do have an answer. We?ll think through carefully how
best to set expectations here and post a more detailed response on this in
the morning.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 04/11/2015 20:46, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>Kevin Miller wrote:
>
>> Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget
>> architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the
>> groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also
>>do
>> other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls
>>you
>> create using syntax as widgets.
>
>Very exciting.
>
>What is the release date for v8.0 Stable, and in which version might we
>expect the new player-like control?
>
>-- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Nov  4 16:27:48 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:27:48 -0500
Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff
In-Reply-To: <D2601C78.90495%kevin@livecode.com>
References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com>
	<CAHg3tG-mkcHwydNCL+CFfzXaAEMNajZZsbdctWmj2OpOu7Mc6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2601C78.90495%kevin@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMdOSjJb0kZ4CTcO2xauHO9GiDMjrw1caLuroG3GkXbZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pass the native fields, please.  Try some android sauce.  It's like apple
sauce, but better for you.  ;)  Dessert anyone?  There's Raspberry Pi.

~Roger
On Nov 4, 2015 3:39 PM, "Kevin Miller" <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:

> Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget
> architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the
> groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also do
> other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls you
> create using syntax as widgets.
>
> It seems my non-coding pensioner parents are finally getting the point of
> widgets too. Tonight they came round to deliver some meals they had made
> for me, with a dish labeled ?a widget of apple sauce, to be reused for
> different meals?.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
>
>
> On 04/11/2015 18:42, "use-livecode on behalf of Trevor DeVore"
> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Richard Gaskin
> ><ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within
> >> the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use
> >> case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable
> >> Kickstarter goals, yes?
> >>
> >
> >Hopefully the work that was done to create the browser widget in
> >DP-8 laid the necessary foundation for the multimedia control. Given my
> >(limited) understanding, it appears that displaying a browser in a widget
> >and sending callbacks uses the same underlying widget features that
> >displaying a media player would require. I could be at off though.
> >
> >--
> >Trevor DeVore
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 16:32:59 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:32:59 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
	<563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEofQybtf_Kn5qpGO2m7A-GM8g4-kDvKmyejwkezBBsyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Er... wait... there's a stable 7.1.1 release?
>

If there is, is there somewhere we can download?

:)



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Nov  4 19:33:26 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:33:26 +0000
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
Message-ID: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>

In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-B?gles
I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as ... Bordeaux-B?gles

from within a card script :-

   put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" & theLeague into theURL
   put URL theURL into temp
   put temp into theFixtures

within the corresponding .lc script :-

if tAction = "fixtures" then
   put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision
   
   get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM fixtures where league='" & thedivision & "' ;")
   put it into temp
   put temp
   revCloseDataBase theDataRef        
   quit
end if    

if I change 
 put temp into theFixtures
to
put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures

the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time again...

Help... please... I want my ? back :-)
 		 	   		  

From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 19:42:48 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:42:48 +0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
	<563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> To be honest I haven't looked in the stable for a while: last time I was
> there there were 4 horses, 17 cows and an awful lot of rather smelly
> straw from fouled winter bedding.
>
> The way transients are streaming through Europe at the moment chances are
if you look in 7.1 weeks time there'll be a couple and a baby in there as
well; and once their there you'll be getting all sorts of visitors.;-)


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov  4 19:51:36 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:51:36 -0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
Sounds like you're using LC7 since I see textDecode in there.

I don;t know enough about the URL side of things but I think the issue on
the database side is what you are doing when you INSERT or UPDATE the
data.  It needs to be textEncoded at that point.  After that, you need to
textDecode it every time you SELECT it.

If you haven't textEncoded the data, you'll need to write a script that
takes care of that.  I haven't tried this but I think if you SELECT every
record in your database without textDecoding it, then textEncode it and
UPDATE it back into the database, that will fix it.  Please try this on a
copy of your database, not the live version!

Once you've done that and added the textEncode/textDecode logic to your
database handlers, I think you'll get your ? back!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-B?gles
> I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as ...
> Bordeaux-B?gles
>
> from within a card script :-
>
>    put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" &
> theLeague into theURL
>    put URL theURL into temp
>    put temp into theFixtures
>
> within the corresponding .lc script :-
>
> if tAction = "fixtures" then
>    put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision
>
>    get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM fixtures
> where league='" & thedivision & "' ;")
>    put it into temp
>    put temp
>    revCloseDataBase theDataRef
>    quit
> end if
>
> if I change
>  put temp into theFixtures
> to
> put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures
>
> the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not
> appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time
> again...
>
> Help... please... I want my ? back :-)
>
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Nov  4 19:59:55 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:59:55 +0000
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>,
	<CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>



Yes I am using LC7... I should have mentioned that...
Peter, thank you for your suggestion, I will try that..:-)

I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging to someone else,  that had never seen liveCode before ?

> Hi John,
> Sounds like you're using LC7 since I see textDecode in there.
> 
> I don;t know enough about the URL side of things but I think the issue on
> the database side is what you are doing when you INSERT or UPDATE the
> data.  It needs to be textEncoded at that point.  After that, you need to
> textDecode it every time you SELECT it.
> 
> If you haven't textEncoded the data, you'll need to write a script that
> takes care of that.  I haven't tried this but I think if you SELECT every
> record in your database without textDecoding it, then textEncode it and
> UPDATE it back into the database, that will fix it.  Please try this on a
> copy of your database, not the live version!
> 
> Once you've done that and added the textEncode/textDecode logic to your
> database handlers, I think you'll get your ? back!
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-B?gles
> > I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as ...
> > Bordeaux-B?gles
> >
> > from within a card script :-
> >
> >    put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" &
> > theLeague into theURL
> >    put URL theURL into temp
> >    put temp into theFixtures
> >
> > within the corresponding .lc script :-
> >
> > if tAction = "fixtures" then
> >    put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision
> >
> >    get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM fixtures
> > where league='" & thedivision & "' ;")
> >    put it into temp
> >    put temp
> >    revCloseDataBase theDataRef
> >    quit
> > end if
> >
> > if I change
> >  put temp into theFixtures
> > to
> > put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures
> >
> > the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not
> > appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time
> > again...
> >
> > Help... please... I want my ? back :-)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 20:06:39 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:06:39 +0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgVWJXYpyyajqC14XGbZ-Kb+DhutCU7OE18ZJhF8y45+A@mail.gmail.com>

As Peter says. This statement appears in the textDecode entry in the
Dictionary but for some strange reason not in the textEncode entry. It says
it all:

It is highly recommended that any time you interface with things outside
LiveCode (files, network sockets, processes, etc) that you explicitly
textEncode any text you send outside LiveCode and textDecode all text
received into LiveCode. If this doesn't happen, a platform-dependent
encoding will be used (which normally does not support Unicode text).

As stated this includes simple things like reading a text file into LC and
includes sending to and receiving from any flavour of database. It also
includes things like using shell - have been tripped up when using ls and
other shell file utilities that involve file names with accented chars.
HTH


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov  4 20:06:56 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:06:56 -0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
	<CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOi9QEZQm4Vmmvrvr9gWcyn7+3BEfT5iWwDqtbJR2SU7Q@mail.gmail.com>

It would depend if they had been properly encoding the data in the database
or not.  If yes, then using textDecode when SELECTing should get you the
correct results.  If no, you'd need to do the one-time conversion I
described (assuming it works of course!).
Pete

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> Yes I am using LC7... I should have mentioned that...
> Peter, thank you for your suggestion, I will try that..:-)
>
> I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented
> chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging
> to someone else,  that had never seen liveCode before ?
>
> > Hi John,
> > Sounds like you're using LC7 since I see textDecode in there.
> >
> > I don;t know enough about the URL side of things but I think the issue on
> > the database side is what you are doing when you INSERT or UPDATE the
> > data.  It needs to be textEncoded at that point.  After that, you need to
> > textDecode it every time you SELECT it.
> >
> > If you haven't textEncoded the data, you'll need to write a script that
> > takes care of that.  I haven't tried this but I think if you SELECT every
> > record in your database without textDecoding it, then textEncode it and
> > UPDATE it back into the database, that will fix it.  Please try this on a
> > copy of your database, not the live version!
> >
> > Once you've done that and added the textEncode/textDecode logic to your
> > database handlers, I think you'll get your ? back!
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > > In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-B?gles
> > > I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as
> ...
> > > Bordeaux-B?gles
> > >
> > > from within a card script :-
> > >
> > >    put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv="
> &
> > > theLeague into theURL
> > >    put URL theURL into temp
> > >    put temp into theFixtures
> > >
> > > within the corresponding .lc script :-
> > >
> > > if tAction = "fixtures" then
> > >    put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision
> > >
> > >    get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM
> fixtures
> > > where league='" & thedivision & "' ;")
> > >    put it into temp
> > >    put temp
> > >    revCloseDataBase theDataRef
> > >    quit
> > > end if
> > >
> > > if I change
> > >  put temp into theFixtures
> > > to
> > > put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures
> > >
> > > the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not
> > > appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time
> > > again...
> > >
> > > Help... please... I want my ? back :-)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov  4 20:08:26 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:08:26 -0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgVWJXYpyyajqC14XGbZ-Kb+DhutCU7OE18ZJhF8y45+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
	<CA+uh5kgVWJXYpyyajqC14XGbZ-Kb+DhutCU7OE18ZJhF8y45+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOe2cbGhOkMHVLsiMXYOGyfRQhsEdcA-SYp1CbhgpBNNA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, it is strange it's not in the textEncode entry, never noticed that.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> As Peter says. This statement appears in the textDecode entry in the
> Dictionary but for some strange reason not in the textEncode entry. It says
> it all:
>
> It is highly recommended that any time you interface with things outside
> LiveCode (files, network sockets, processes, etc) that you explicitly
> textEncode any text you send outside LiveCode and textDecode all text
> received into LiveCode. If this doesn't happen, a platform-dependent
> encoding will be used (which normally does not support Unicode text).
>
> As stated this includes simple things like reading a text file into LC and
> includes sending to and receiving from any flavour of database. It also
> includes things like using shell - have been tripped up when using ls and
> other shell file utilities that involve file names with accented chars.
> HTH
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 20:16:50 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:16:50 +0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
	<CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjjzYLU++od-vGTQGjz=62-fgJbpArvEKnUNz9GNiH4uw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented
> chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging
> to someone else,  that had never seen liveCode before ?
>
> The same still applies. If any db Admin utility can look at the mySQL db
and the data appears correctly, then if you textDecode data you SELECT then
it will appear in your LC app correctly. If you textEncode the data before
you UPDATE or INSERT it back into the mySQL db then it will appear
correctly in all those other db Admin utilities.

Basically these other db Admin utilities should have been written to do the
equivalent of what you are required to do in LC. They should decode the
data for presentation on their particular platform - Win, Mac, Linux, and
encode any data they put back in.

HTH


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov  4 20:26:20 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:26:20 -0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjjzYLU++od-vGTQGjz=62-fgJbpArvEKnUNz9GNiH4uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
	<CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
	<CA+uh5kjjzYLU++od-vGTQGjz=62-fgJbpArvEKnUNz9GNiH4uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMSD-UJzq+=SQh=aETSP=Goid7V9+efPLt67+9KNedj3g@mail.gmail.com>

Kay's right. You can define the encoding to be used in an SQL database and
utilities should observe that encoding by default.

I added that in the last release of my SQLiteAdmin program, although I also
included preferences to not encode/decode and/or specify an encoding.
That's necessary because the database libraries don't (and can't) check if
the data they are handed is in the correct encoding so in the immortal
words of Forest Gump's mother, "you never know what you're gonna get".

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented
> > chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database,
> belonging
> > to someone else,  that had never seen liveCode before ?
> >
> > The same still applies. If any db Admin utility can look at the mySQL db
> and the data appears correctly, then if you textDecode data you SELECT then
> it will appear in your LC app correctly. If you textEncode the data before
> you UPDATE or INSERT it back into the mySQL db then it will appear
> correctly in all those other db Admin utilities.
>
> Basically these other db Admin utilities should have been written to do the
> equivalent of what you are required to do in LC. They should decode the
> data for presentation on their particular platform - Win, Mac, Linux, and
> encode any data they put back in.
>
> HTH
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 20:27:06 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:27:06 +0800
Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W100A6E10288915659580324ED290@phx.gbl>
	<CAGDT7eP-ApYhxH9oN_JOSepyMvX=QS9QBFHe+wDcX1gwNkW0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W134E9D2AA1DF2C2C9EA521DED290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kg+XJTqmaQKWd3kqOdFoR5cQJP0EedGVx1Cf+VT+xJC_A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
> I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented
> chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging
> to someone else,  that had never seen liveCode before ?
>
> Sorry, I should have made one other clarification as I was sort of
supposing the data was stored in he db as utf8. It may not be. Someone may
have created a program on Win and the data is stored in a db as CP1252. You
are writing an LC program for use on Mac. All that has previously been said
still applies, the only difference is that you need to determine what
character set the db data is stored in and decode and encode to and from
that particular char set.

So whilst unicode and utf8 and utf16 is where everyone is headed toward, if
the data is from an old db it may not necessarily be stored in unicode so
you may have to do some experimenting, but at the end of the day you'll
still have a requirement to 'encode in' and 'decode out'.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Nov  4 20:38:46 2015
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:38:46 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com>
	<563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJtBxeCUK2AKusLyz15_sctzK9z+rGkyZ-p5_eUrQfHcQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> The way transients are streaming through Europe


um... they are refugees... still are people...

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 21:13:06 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:13:06 -0400
Subject: Livecode all around the world
Message-ID: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>

on Fri Oct 30,
Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Maybe LiveCode can grow the most
> by moving beyond "English-like" to
> embrace "Mandarin-like". :)

That would be really extraordinary and
could be precisely the kind of push that LiveCode
needs to get salience among educators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salience_(neuroscience)

I believe that Livecode could contact
different Universities all around the world
and ask them if they really believe that a
programming language in their own tongue
could help students and future software
developers to start learning programming.
Surely, many of these Universities will answer
"Yes, we could."

Then I want to read your ideas about this
hypothetical scenario:

How could LiveCode manage this project of
creating the first multilingual computer language?

How could LiveCode incorporate this new project
with his company goals?

Does already exists many open source projects
that manage a multilingual audience?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts
and ideas about this.

Al



From bornstein at designeq.com  Wed Nov  4 22:47:50 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:47:50 -0800
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>

This really helped me out. Thanks Martin! I couldn't get my standalone to
quit no matter what. This did the trick.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> It has been a long time since I set this up in my application so I don't
> remember exactly the logic as to why I set this up this way but it seems to
> work.  The main stack has several substacks which may be open when quit is
> selected from the menu.
>
> Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a
> 'pass shutdownRequest' command.  This handler sends a prepareToQuit command
> to the main card of the main stack.
>
> substack stack script
> -------------------
> on shutdownRequest
>    send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack"
> end shutdownRequest
> ------------------
> The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just
> has
> a quit command.  This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main
> card.
> This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented
> before
> quitting.  This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that allows
> the application to quit.
>
> Mainstack >card "main" script
> -----------------------
> on preparetoquit
>     quit
> end preparetoquit
>
> on shutdownRequest
>     <do stuff here>
>
>     pass shutdownRequest
> end shutdownRequest
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Quit-mystery-tp4672924p4672933.html
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Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 01:29:47 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:29:47 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
	<563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563AF75B.50106@gmail.com>

On 05/11/15 02:42, Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To be honest I haven't looked in the stable for a while: last time I was
>> there there were 4 horses, 17 cows and an awful lot of rather smelly
>> straw from fouled winter bedding.
>>
>> The way transients are streaming through Europe at the moment chances are
> if you look in 7.1 weeks time there'll be a couple and a baby in there as
> well; and once their there you'll be getting all sorts of visitors.;-)
> _______________________________________________
>

If that is the case I suppose we should cast Mark Waddingham as the 
Angel Gabriel.

R.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 01:31:39 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:31:39 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJtBxeCUK2AKusLyz15_sctzK9z+rGkyZ-p5_eUrQfHcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
	<563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHJtBxeCUK2AKusLyz15_sctzK9z+rGkyZ-p5_eUrQfHcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563AF7CB.5070505@gmail.com>

On 05/11/15 03:38, stephen barncard wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The way transients are streaming through Europe
>
> um... they are refugees... still are people...
>
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words
> _______________________________________________
>

Yup: that word "transient" sounds a wee bit "anti": we should all count 
ourselves
extremely fortunate that nasty people are not bombing the f*ck out of 
our homes
so we have to run for our lives.

R.



From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 08:20:40 2015
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:20:40 +0100
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO9F28s8PQJtwAcOims3S8_E6U-KsiKa1k4vxpzTQQ-JYg@mail.gmail.com>

Nearly 1 year ago I posted this
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14263  .
It was confirmed but probably it has not been fixed yet.
All the best,
Paolo

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
> This really helped me out. Thanks Martin! I couldn't get my standalone to
> quit no matter what. This did the trick.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> It has been a long time since I set this up in my application so I don't
>> remember exactly the logic as to why I set this up this way but it seems to
>> work.  The main stack has several substacks which may be open when quit is
>> selected from the menu.
>>
>> Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a
>> 'pass shutdownRequest' command.  This handler sends a prepareToQuit command
>> to the main card of the main stack.
>>
>> substack stack script
>> -------------------
>> on shutdownRequest
>>    send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack"
>> end shutdownRequest
>> ------------------
>> The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just
>> has
>> a quit command.  This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main
>> card.
>> This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented
>> before
>> quitting.  This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that allows
>> the application to quit.
>>
>> Mainstack >card "main" script
>> -----------------------
>> on preparetoquit
>>     quit
>> end preparetoquit
>>
>> on shutdownRequest
>>     <do stuff here>
>>
>>     pass shutdownRequest
>> end shutdownRequest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Quit-mystery-tp4672924p4672933.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein
> -----------------------
> www.designeq.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Nov  5 08:46:25 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:46:25 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
Message-ID: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>

Hi all,

after years of neglecting the ?play? command on the desktop
due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting
from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been 
done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try:

on mouseUp
  play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
  put the result
end mouseUp 

Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!?
Event imported that file, no video.
Played with ?the dontuseqt?, no vieo.
Added "?at the loc of this cd? no video.

Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7.

Any hints? 
Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? 8-)

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Nov  5 09:56:19 2015
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:56:19 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p062408c5d2611e581a9b@[192.168.1.94]>

I wish I could come. I am tasked to build exactly such a thing for 
the department. Do you have any files that you can share?

RObert

On 02.11.2015 at 21:02 Uhr -0800 Paul Looney apparently wrote:
>This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation 
>on Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have 
>wondered whether there is some data processing option between the 
>limits of card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and 
>find out. I will show how to build a multi-user, client/server 
>database management system - entirely in LiveCode.
>
>The monthly meeting 
><http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476> is held at 
>Dupar's in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great.
>
>Paul Looney
>
>
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 10:30:21 2015
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:30:21 -0500
Subject: HTML5 product
Message-ID: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product that
is being sold.

My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases
before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early?

When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then
this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is
datagrid supported?

Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I
remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so
can I assume that it is part of the community version still?

Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make
a better decision.

thanks,

Glen


From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Nov  5 10:46:24 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:46:24 +0000
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>

On 05/11/2015 15:30, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product that
> is being sold.

I do!  I am the lead developer in the core dev team for the HTML5 platform.

> My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases
> before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early?

People are already deploying apps to HTML5, so arguably it *is* 
"developed well enough to deploy"!  On the other hand, it may not have 
everything that *you* need for *your* app working yet.  I suggest trying 
it out and seeing what you think.

> When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then
> this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is
> datagrid supported?

Firstly: yes, the datagrid is supported.

There's an "HTML5 Deployment" guide included with the IDE in all 
editions, and it describes the current things that work (and don't 
work).  You can also read it online here:

 
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Documentation/guides/HTML5%20Deployment.md

Needless to say, there are limitations.  You can look at the current 
bugs filed against HTML5 on the bug tracker:

     http://goo.gl/exZYQ3

Also, here are my own personal notes [1] about the current state of 
HTML5 platform support and things I think we should work on:

     https://gist.github.com/peter-b/0bb57cc2fe2f065b00f6

> Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I
> remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so
> can I assume that it is part of the community version still?

HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you 
can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.

> Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make
> a better decision.

The HTML5 section of the forums has lots of examples that might help you 
out:

     http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120

Hermann in particular has a bunch of really impressive demos:

     http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25210

 From my perspective, the feedback I've received so far has been very 
positive.

                                   Peter

[1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will 
be done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this 
list is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist.

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov  5 10:47:31 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:47:31 +0000
Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8
In-Reply-To: <563AF7CB.5070505@gmail.com>
References: <f36287668b87ccf9114d9a5d2766f5fd@livecode.com>
	<563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net>
	<563A6024.1080601@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kh0r6oe4ku5HwqBcNSBkyJ0-G53mVJQDHp-WL3w7gK=4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHJtBxeCUK2AKusLyz15_sctzK9z+rGkyZ-p5_eUrQfHcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563AF7CB.5070505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1398E2B2-4286-491E-9A16-2FFECA8FD5C5@iotecdigital.com>

Not to stir up a firestorm, but the vast majority of the refugees are younger males typically without families. As always, there is more to the story than anyone is being told.

Bob S


On Nov 4, 2015, at 22:31 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:

Yup: that word "transient" sounds a wee bit "anti": we should all count ourselves
extremely fortunate that nasty people are not bombing the f*ck out of our homes
so we have to run for our lives.

R.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov  5 10:53:14 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:53:14 +0000
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <3193091F-FEB4-4843-8D3E-6380FB9305D5@iotecdigital.com>

Suddenly, I am keenly aware of the certainty of my own mortality. <shivers> ;-)

Bob S


On Nov 5, 2015, at 07:46 , Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com<mailto:peter.brett at livecode.com>> wrote:

[1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist.

--
Dr Peter Brett



From sritcp at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 11:16:24 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:16:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <p062408c5d2611e581a9b@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<p062408c5d2611e581a9b@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <1446740184936-4698484.post@n4.nabble.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote
> ....... Do you have any files that you can share?

+1
By any chance, you can record and throw it on YouTube?
Something I'd really like to attend. Only 2500 miles away!

Regards,
Sri




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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Thu Nov  5 11:31:40 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:31:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Save Stack very slow in Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <50749557.16503418.1446741054930.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <444682352.16504363.1446741100224.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

I have for years successfully run a set of stacks using LiveCode 5.5.3 in Windows 7.? Recently certain operations have become painfully slow (Windows says "not responding" for 2 minutes or so, but eventually does respond and the operation is completed). 
Setting some breakpoints to investigate, I discovered that the bottleneck commands are 2 simple "Save stack x" statements.? The stacks being saved are 2.3 and 0.3 megabytes. 
The same stacks run without problem using LiveCode 5.5 on Mac OSX.? And until recently they ran well on Windows 7. 
Has anyone had this experience, or an idea for a remedy? 
Thanks very much. 
David Epstein 


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 11:41:03 2015
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:41:03 -0500
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CACW8NbCCBHq7OrMC2wcUDZ2VN0dY9w-NMTE7-grOwXZR-B9v=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter,

Your response and details (which are really nice pointers : helpful) make
me feel comfortable enough to go ahead and purchase it.

regards,

Glen

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
wrote:

> On 05/11/2015 15:30, Glen Bojsza wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product
>> that
>> is being sold.
>>
>
> I do!  I am the lead developer in the core dev team for the HTML5 platform.
>
> My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases
>> before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early?
>>
>
> People are already deploying apps to HTML5, so arguably it *is* "developed
> well enough to deploy"!  On the other hand, it may not have everything that
> *you* need for *your* app working yet.  I suggest trying it out and seeing
> what you think.
>
> When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then
>> this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is
>> datagrid supported?
>>
>
> Firstly: yes, the datagrid is supported.
>
> There's an "HTML5 Deployment" guide included with the IDE in all editions,
> and it describes the current things that work (and don't work).  You can
> also read it online here:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Documentation/guides/HTML5%20Deployment.md
>
> Needless to say, there are limitations.  You can look at the current bugs
> filed against HTML5 on the bug tracker:
>
>     http://goo.gl/exZYQ3
>
> Also, here are my own personal notes [1] about the current state of HTML5
> platform support and things I think we should work on:
>
>     https://gist.github.com/peter-b/0bb57cc2fe2f065b00f6
>
> Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I
>> remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so
>> can I assume that it is part of the community version still?
>>
>
> HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
> can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.
>
> Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make
>> a better decision.
>>
>
> The HTML5 section of the forums has lots of examples that might help you
> out:
>
>     http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120
>
> Hermann in particular has a bunch of really impressive demos:
>
>     http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25210
>
> From my perspective, the feedback I've received so far has been very
> positive.
>
>                                   Peter
>
> [1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be
> done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list
> is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist.
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Open Source Team
>
> LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode
>
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From sritcp at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 11:28:48 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:28:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>

If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or
phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted)
solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire
application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There
are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the
cost-benefit.

Regards,
Sri



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From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 12:04:46 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:04:46 -0800
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>

I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making
changes in long (10k+ line) handlers.  A minor edit, and off to la-la land.

Are others being this?

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From david at viral.academy  Thu Nov  5 12:12:14 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:12:14 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record
it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the
list?

On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:

> This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on
> Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered
> whether there is some data processing option between the limits of
> card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will
> show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system -
> entirely in LiveCode.
>
> The monthly meeting <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476>
> is held at Dupar?s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great.
>
> Paul Looney
>
>
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From roland.huettmann at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 12:24:34 2015
From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (Roland Huettmann)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:24:34 +0000
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>

I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder
how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" -  "Lege
x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word
such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The
problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the
young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much
greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms
everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits
and Bytes -  should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even
when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native
language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015, 17:43 Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or
> phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted)
> solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire
> application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There
> are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the
> cost-benefit.
>
> Regards,
> Sri
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698487.html
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From roland.huettmann at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 12:24:34 2015
From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (Roland Huettmann)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:24:34 +0000
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>

I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder
how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" -  "Lege
x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word
such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The
problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the
young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much
greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms
everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits
and Bytes -  should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even
when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native
language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015, 17:43 Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or
> phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted)
> solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire
> application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There
> are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the
> cost-benefit.
>
> Regards,
> Sri
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698487.html
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 12:28:52 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:28:52 -0500
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <150d8b1a518-5b04-1d608@webprd-a74.mail.aol.com>

Sri.


I had suggested something similar last year, say for Italian. The thinking was that a word-for-word substitution is not robust enough. Language syntax, (native verb placement in a sentence, for example) would break such a system right away. The thread is on the use-list somewhere.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Sri <sritcp at gmail.com>
To: use-revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2015 11:43 am
Subject: Re: Livecode all around the world


If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word
or
phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if
stilted)
solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an
entire
application script to any language at the click of a button and back.
There
are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat
the
cost-benefit.

Regards,
Sri



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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov  5 12:33:47 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:33:47 +0000
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8B12F63-7FC8-41B2-89BC-195C4D14810F@iotecdigital.com>

I was under the impression that very long scripts take some time to compile. If this has been addressed and this was no longer the case, I am very surprised and curious how they managed that. It would mean that scripts are now indexed somehow so only the relevant parts of the scripts are recompiled and then reinserted into the already compiled bit. 

It may or may not be helpful to point out that what developers are actually used to is minor edits followed by a lengthy recompile/debug cyclethat can take several minutes to hours depending on the extent of the code base. The nature of Livecode spares us that. 

Personally, several seconds does not bother me much as it gives me time to reach over and get a sip of coffee. 

HTH

Bob S


> On Nov 5, 2015, at 09:04 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making
> changes in long (10k+ line) handlers.  A minor edit, and off to la-la land.
> 
> Are others being this?
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov  5 12:38:48 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:38:48 +0000
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com>

+1

Anyone who has developed in dBase or it's derivatives understands what it means to speak English, and *STILL* have to learn a completely different development language!

BTW Google Translate has it "legte x in y -Taste". Dutch, argueably close to German has it "zet x -knop in y".

Still think this is a good idea??

Bob S


On Nov 5, 2015, at 09:24 , Roland Huettmann <roland.huettmann at gmail.com<mailto:roland.huettmann at gmail.com>> wrote:

I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder
how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" -  "Lege
x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word
such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The
problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the
young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much
greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms
everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits
and Bytes -  should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even
when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native
language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland



From blueback09 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 12:54:14 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:54:14 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82Dp+bKxFYQ52DBKKjFeWVpdS5LdGeGqh0Kdx_fGokGCvQQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can bring my webcam in case it's useful.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:12 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record
> it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the
> list?
>
> On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on
> > Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered
> > whether there is some data processing option between the limits of
> > card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I
> will
> > show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system
> -
> > entirely in LiveCode.
> >
> > The monthly meeting <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476>
> > is held at Dupar?s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great.
> >
> > Paul Looney
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From simplsol at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 12:57:20 2015
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:57:20 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>

David, Sri, Robert, Bruce, Matt,

Sorry you can?t come tonight. I understand that little "distance problem?.

The presentation will not be recorded. It is hard enough preparing all of the material without spending a couple days deciding what to wear. ;-)

I have been working on a small book (originally 12 pages, now over 80 pages and growing) tentatively titled ?Accelerated Data Processing with LiveCode? - based on my 30+ years experience with data processing and decade with Revolution/Rev/LiveCode. There are still two chapters to finish. The last of these is on Text File DBs. I hope to finish it by the end of the year. It will be released under the Creative Commons license and free for downloading.

Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings):

I.     Have the computer time the process
II.    Indicate that the process is still in process
III.   Lock Screen - or don?t
IV.   Lock Messages - or don?t
V.    Move data to be processed from fields to variables
VI.   Fields, Variables, and Custom Properties
VII.  Filter data before other processing
VIII. Calculate fixed variables once per repeat loop
IX.   Use ?Put? instead of ?Get and Put? where appropriate
X.    Use multiple single filters - not compound filters
XI.   Use ?Repeat for?? instead of ?Repeat with i = ??
XII.  Sorts: ?forwards?, ?backwards?, & ?sideways?
XIII. Choosing Delimiters (CSV must die!)
XIV. A word about Arrays, Keys, and Record IDs
XV.  Cards, Relational Databases, and Text Files
XVI. ?SQL? & Relational Databases
XVII. Using ?Text File? Databases

Each chapter has many code samples.
The Text File chapter will show, step by step, how to create the text file, itself - with code samples for both the server and the clients. I?ve been working on that chapter for a month but still don?t know how big it will be - other than ?as big as it needs to be? - there is no publisher dictating chapter or book length.

I appreciate your interest.

Paul Looney



> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:12 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record
> it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the
> list?
> 
> On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on
>> Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered
>> whether there is some data processing option between the limits of
>> card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will
>> show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system -
>> entirely in LiveCode.
>> 
>> The monthly meeting <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476>
>> is held at Dupar?s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great.
>> 
>> Paul Looney
>> 
>> 
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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 13:20:10 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:20:10 -0800
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com>
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Maybe you could just replace the words with pictograms so it's language
independent.
put: https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=put

The human-understandable symbols are arbitrary so the fact that Livecode's
symbols are derived from English words is missing the point. The symbol
"put" could be "123XYZ" for all the computer cares. The learning curve for
memorizing the symbols isn't all that much shorter when the symbols are
conceptually related to symbols you already know either. The hard part
about programming is learning to clarify your thinking using the tools
provided. Remembering the symbol associated with the tools is easy,
especially after you do it for a while and you really start to grok how
arbitrary the symbols are.

Some of the simplest symbols in Livecode are "of" and "in" and I still have
to look up in the dictionary which one to use every time I try to use them.
If they were "ng" and "sa" (which is what google translate says is the
Filipino translation) or "od" and "u" (Croatian) or "el" and "en"
(Esperanto) they'd be just as hard to remember.

Seems like it would be more useful to translate the Livecode dictionary
into a bunch of languages than to translate the syntax of the script. That
being said, there is precedent for non-English programming languages, and
even languages based on symbols
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages

I've only put effort into learning Livecode, so when I see Python or
JavaScript code it might as well be written in Kanji for all the sense I
can make of it.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> +1
>
> Anyone who has developed in dBase or it's derivatives understands what it
> means to speak English, and *STILL* have to learn a completely different
> development language!
>
> BTW Google Translate has it "legte x in y -Taste". Dutch, argueably close
> to German has it "zet x -knop in y".
>
> Still think this is a good idea??
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2015, at 09:24 , Roland Huettmann <roland.huettmann at gmail.com
> <mailto:roland.huettmann at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder
> how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" -  "Lege
> x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word
> such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The
> problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the
> young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much
> greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms
> everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits
> and Bytes -  should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even
> when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native
> language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov  5 13:32:15 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:32:15 +0000
Subject: Livecode all around the world
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On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:20 , Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com<mailto:blueback09 at gmail.com>> wrote:

The human-understandable symbols are arbitrary so the fact that Livecode's
symbols are derived from English words is missing the point. The symbol
"put" could be "123XYZ" for all the computer cares.

It's not the computer that is caring, it's the programmer.

The learning curve for
memorizing the symbols isn't all that much shorter when the symbols are
conceptually related to symbols you already know either.

That I find extremely difficult to accept. If I could *only* progam in LC in the German language, I would not be here today.

The hard part
about programming is learning to clarify your thinking using the tools
provided. Remembering the symbol associated with the tools is easy,
especially after you do it for a while and you really start to grok how
arbitrary the symbols are.

What I "grok" is that Livecode is especially easy for "the rest of us" developers *PRECICELY* because we don't have to learn a complex syntax. And by "we" I mean the english speaking among us. Switch to pictograms and I believe you will have killed Livecode. As far as other languages, if someone can develop a means to have an interpreter understand the "german-like" syntax of their code, or any other language -like syntax, all well and good.

But the real key is making the software understand us. Not the other way around. Those were the dark ages of computing. No one wants to go back there.

My 2?
Bob S


From jbv at souslelogo.com  Thu Nov  5 13:36:21 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:36:21 +0200
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
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> HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
> can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.

just curious, what does that mean exactly ?
does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or
does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ?
Thanks
jbv




From david at viral.academy  Thu Nov  5 14:12:10 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:12:10 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
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Thanks Paul - I'd be really interested in helping / proof reading / asking
stupid questions :)

On 5 November 2015 at 17:57, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:

> David, Sri, Robert, Bruce, Matt,
>
> Sorry you can?t come tonight. I understand that little "distance problem?.
>
> The presentation will not be recorded. It is hard enough preparing all of
> the material without spending a couple days deciding what to wear. ;-)
>
> I have been working on a small book (originally 12 pages, now over 80
> pages and growing) tentatively titled ?Accelerated Data Processing with
> LiveCode? - based on my 30+ years experience with data processing and
> decade with Revolution/Rev/LiveCode. There are still two chapters to
> finish. The last of these is on Text File DBs. I hope to finish it by the
> end of the year. It will be released under the Creative Commons license and
> free for downloading.
>
> Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot
> to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings):
>
> I.     Have the computer time the process
> II.    Indicate that the process is still in process
> III.   Lock Screen - or don?t
> IV.   Lock Messages - or don?t
> V.    Move data to be processed from fields to variables
> VI.   Fields, Variables, and Custom Properties
> VII.  Filter data before other processing
> VIII. Calculate fixed variables once per repeat loop
> IX.   Use ?Put? instead of ?Get and Put? where appropriate
> X.    Use multiple single filters - not compound filters
> XI.   Use ?Repeat for?? instead of ?Repeat with i = ??
> XII.  Sorts: ?forwards?, ?backwards?, & ?sideways?
> XIII. Choosing Delimiters (CSV must die!)
> XIV. A word about Arrays, Keys, and Record IDs
> XV.  Cards, Relational Databases, and Text Files
> XVI. ?SQL? & Relational Databases
> XVII. Using ?Text File? Databases
>
> Each chapter has many code samples.
> The Text File chapter will show, step by step, how to create the text
> file, itself - with code samples for both the server and the clients. I?ve
> been working on that chapter for a month but still don?t know how big it
> will be - other than ?as big as it needs to be? - there is no publisher
> dictating chapter or book length.
>
> I appreciate your interest.
>
> Paul Looney
>
>
>
> > On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:12 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could
> record
> > it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the
> > list?
> >
> > On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on
> >> Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered
> >> whether there is some data processing option between the limits of
> >> card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I
> will
> >> show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management
> system -
> >> entirely in LiveCode.
> >>
> >> The monthly meeting <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476>
> >> is held at Dupar?s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great.
> >>
> >> Paul Looney
> >>
> >>
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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 14:25:08 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:25:08 -0800
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com>
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	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
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On Nov 5, 2015 10:32, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:20 , Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com<mailto:
blueback09 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The human-understandable symbols are arbitrary so the fact that Livecode's
> symbols are derived from English words is missing the point. The symbol
> "put" could be "123XYZ" for all the computer cares.
>
> It's not the computer that is caring, it's the programmer.
>
> The learning curve for
> memorizing the symbols isn't all that much shorter when the symbols are
> conceptually related to symbols you already know either.
>
> That I find extremely difficult to accept. If I could *only* progam in LC
in the German language, I would not be here today.
>
> The hard part
> about programming is learning to clarify your thinking using the tools
> provided. Remembering the symbol associated with the tools is easy,
> especially after you do it for a while and you really start to grok how
> arbitrary the symbols are.
>
> What I "grok" is that Livecode is especially easy for "the rest of us"
developers *PRECICELY* because we don't have to learn a complex syntax. And
by "we" I mean the english speaking among us. Switch to pictograms and I
believe you will have killed Livecode. As far as other languages, if
someone can develop a means to have an interpreter understand the
"german-like" syntax of their code, or any other language -like syntax, all
well and good.
>
> But the real key is making the software understand us. Not the other way
around.

I disagree. All of the responsibility for understanding is on the
programmer. The hard part is teaching the programmer to understand the
software. Once that happens the programmer can easily make the software
understand. The hard part is thinking like software. Giving every single
student a unique set of symbols that minimizes their personal memorization
time is small potatoes compared to teaching them what the thing they
memorized really means.

Additionally, providing unlimited synonyms would probably make it a lot
harder to learn how to think. If each student is literally thinking in
their own language then they not only need the software to translate for
the engine, they also need the software to translate when they talk to
other programmers.

A parser for the IDE wouldn't be enough. We'd also need a plugin for Google
that translates what you're asking for help on and then translates the
results.

Those were the dark ages of computing. No one wants to go back there.
>
> My 2?
> Bob S
>
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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 14:28:33 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:28:33 -0800
Subject: HTML5 product
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It means the license for community forbids you from applying a
closed-source license to the standalones you compile using the community
IDE.

Since you didn't pay for the community IDE, you can do whatever you want
open source. If you want to close the source of your work you need to buy a
commercial license.
On Nov 5, 2015 10:36, <jbv at souslelogo.com> wrote:

>
> > HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
> > can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.
>
> just curious, what does that mean exactly ?
> does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or
> does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ?
> Thanks
> jbv
>
>
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Nov  5 14:50:49 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:50:49 +0000
Subject: HTML5 product
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On 05/11/2015 18:36, jbv at souslelogo.com wrote:
>
>> HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
>> can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.
>
> just curious, what does that mean exactly ?
> does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or
> does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ?

The "HTML5 standalone" is actually 4 files:

* An HTML page

* The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file.  This is 
the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode

* A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. 
This is also the same for every standalone.

* A zip file, which contains the stacks, resources, fonts, etc. that 
make up your app.  This is the thing that's made by the standalone builder.

If you use the community edition, the zip file with your app in it can 
be downloaded by anyone who views the web page.  They can open it and 
play around with your app using the LiveCode IDE.

If you use the commercial edition, you have the option of encrypting 
your LiveCode stack files so that no-one can look at your code, even if 
they download and unpack the standalone's zip file.

                                    Peter


-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team



From bornstein at designeq.com  Thu Nov  5 14:47:40 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:47:40 -0800
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO9F28s8PQJtwAcOims3S8_E6U-KsiKa1k4vxpzTQQ-JYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
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I've updated the bug report with Martin's solution in case anyone else runs
into this.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:20 AM, paolo mazza <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nearly 1 year ago I posted this
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14263  .
> It was confirmed but probably it has not been fixed yet.
> All the best,
> Paolo
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> wrote:
> > This really helped me out. Thanks Martin! I couldn't get my standalone to
> > quit no matter what. This did the trick.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> It has been a long time since I set this up in my application so I don't
> >> remember exactly the logic as to why I set this up this way but it
> seems to
> >> work.  The main stack has several substacks which may be open when quit
> is
> >> selected from the menu.
> >>
> >> Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a
> >> 'pass shutdownRequest' command.  This handler sends a prepareToQuit
> command
> >> to the main card of the main stack.
> >>
> >> substack stack script
> >> -------------------
> >> on shutdownRequest
> >>    send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack"
> >> end shutdownRequest
> >> ------------------
> >> The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just
> >> has
> >> a quit command.  This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main
> >> card.
> >> This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented
> >> before
> >> quitting.  This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that
> allows
> >> the application to quit.
> >>
> >> Mainstack >card "main" script
> >> -----------------------
> >> on preparetoquit
> >>     quit
> >> end preparetoquit
> >>
> >> on shutdownRequest
> >>     <do stuff here>
> >>
> >>     pass shutdownRequest
> >> end shutdownRequest
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Quit-mystery-tp4672924p4672933.html
> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howard Bornstein
> > -----------------------
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Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From monte at appisle.net  Thu Nov  5 15:03:29 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:03:29 +1100
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <563BB319.6010903@livecode.com>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
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> On 6 Nov 2015, at 6:50 am, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
> 
> * The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file.  This is the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode
> 
> * A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is also the same for every standalone.

Peter I haven?t looked at this for a while. Will we have the option of delivering these two files from a common LiveCode server (or better yet using something like cloudfront) so that users can cache the engine once for multiple apps from multiple developers or is that not going to work?

Cheers

Monte

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov  5 15:09:09 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:09:09 +0000
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82Dqg4hJGe4KtZf=Ux5MWpfcZ8r_H6WwEih8oniJFfzAWfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+S82DozMoVyRyQo0nbgDaP9vD2NKKWe9tPA=rAw+YvEjHKjgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com>
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Message-ID: <629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com>

I see. Well then, let's toss out all the graphical OS'es ever written and go back to command line computing. Is seems the great exiperiment has failed.

Bob S


On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:25 , Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com<mailto:blueback09 at gmail.com>> wrote:

I disagree. All of the responsibility for understanding is on the
programmer. The hard part is teaching the programmer to understand the
software. Once that happens the programmer can easily make the software
understand. The hard part is thinking like software. Giving every single
student a unique set of symbols that minimizes their personal memorization
time is small potatoes compared to teaching them what the thing they
memorized really means.



From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Nov  5 15:10:12 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:10:12 +0000
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <F6FD2548-2485-452C-9185-FBB340E60762@appisle.net>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
	<0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
	<563BB319.6010903@livecode.com>
	<F6FD2548-2485-452C-9185-FBB340E60762@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <563BB7A4.6050104@livecode.com>

On 05/11/2015 20:03, Monte Goulding wrote:
>
>> On 6 Nov 2015, at 6:50 am, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
>>
>> * The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file.  This is the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode
>>
>> * A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is also the same for every standalone.
>
> Peter I haven?t looked at this for a while. Will we have the option of delivering these two files from a common LiveCode server (or better yet using something like cloudfront) so that users can cache the engine once for multiple apps from multiple developers or is that not going to work?

Yes! There's a discussion & examples here on the forums:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345

                                       Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team



From sritcp at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 15:28:00 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:28:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446755280893-4698507.post@n4.nabble.com>

RH wrote
> I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I
> wonder
> how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" -  "Lege
> x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word
> such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. 

I mean a 1 to 1 correspondence but not word for word. It can be a camelCase
phrase (as long as it needs to be to make sense) for word. Of course, it
would still be "unnatural" language approach! But, it might be better than
"English or nothing" option. Some languages are going to lend themselves
better than others, but imagine if we have this option in Mandarin, Spanish,
Portuguese, and Hindi. If even a small fraction of non-English speakers from
those milieus are tempted to give LiveCode a try, it would be worth it.
Remember, at any time they can click a button and the entire script appears
in English. Since no one (no programmer, that is) is completely
English-ignorant, switching back and forth will facilitate learning and
using the language and eventually switching to English script.

Regards,
Sri 




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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 15:41:39 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:41:39 -0800
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+S82DozMoVyRyQo0nbgDaP9vD2NKKWe9tPA=rAw+YvEjHKjgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+S82Dqg4hJGe4KtZf=Ux5MWpfcZ8r_H6WwEih8oniJFfzAWfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82Drm7PaACXMux5J8gUA1QMD04PcbLdOhPkr=z5+s6U2NDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think there would still be people who want to be able to type "your
synonym here" instead of "sudo." And that would still not help them
understand what sudo does and it would still interfere with any attempt
they make to research or ask for help.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> I see. Well then, let's toss out all the graphical OS'es ever written and
> go back to command line computing. Is seems the great exiperiment has
> failed.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:25 , Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com<mailto:
> blueback09 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I disagree. All of the responsibility for understanding is on the
> programmer. The hard part is teaching the programmer to understand the
> software. Once that happens the programmer can easily make the software
> understand. The hard part is thinking like software. Giving every single
> student a unique set of symbols that minimizes their personal memorization
> time is small potatoes compared to teaching them what the thing they
> memorized really means.
>
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From monte at appisle.net  Thu Nov  5 15:43:20 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:43:20 +1100
Subject: HTML5 product
In-Reply-To: <563BB7A4.6050104@livecode.com>
References: <CACW8NbDU6kAyd=XKtFyA8JnbBzypt6_hKK04ByGNG6D_4u=_Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com>
	<0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
	<563BB319.6010903@livecode.com>
	<F6FD2548-2485-452C-9185-FBB340E60762@appisle.net>
	<563BB7A4.6050104@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <B7E5D3D3-892E-4448-B7BE-3679F9B902E5@appisle.net>


> On 6 Nov 2015, at 7:10 am, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes! There's a discussion & examples here on the forums:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345 <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345>
Interesting. So is there any plans for the company to host the files? I see you can add stuff to cdnjs by sending them a PR. That might be a good option.

From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Nov  5 15:49:17 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:49:17 +0000
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>

10,000 lines in one liveCode handler ?... really !?... I don't think, .. no, I know that I have never written a stack that has 10,000 lines in it in total...

> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:04:46 -0800
> Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
> From: dochawk at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> 
> I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making
> changes in long (10k+ line) handlers.  A minor edit, and off to la-la land.
> 
> Are others being this?
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Nov  5 16:01:43 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:01:43 -0600
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>

I think he probably meant "script" rather than "handler." But even my 
most complex project wasn't that long. (If it really is a single handler 
then it isn't written correctly.) When I see numbers like that, my first 
thought is "optimization."

It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of 
a long handler and see if we could reduce it.


On 11/5/2015 2:49 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> 10,000 lines in one liveCode handler ?... really !?... I don't think, .. no, I know that I have never written a stack that has 10,000 lines in it in total...
>
>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:04:46 -0800
>> Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
>> From: dochawk at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>
>> I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making
>> changes in long (10k+ line) handlers.  A minor edit, and off to la-la land.
>>
>> Are others being this?
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> (702) 508-8462


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 16:25:37 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:25:37 -0800
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:01 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I think he probably meant "script" rather than "handler." But even my most
> complex project wasn't that long. (If it really is a single handler then it
> isn't written correctly.) When I see numbers like that, my first thought is
> "optimization."
>

Err, yes; script.

*shudder*

The main stack with support routines has a script of almost 15k lines, the
output processing script button has over 5k.

I do hit about 800 lines in one routine and 600 in another, counting
commented out obsolete code and white space; probably only a couple of
lines each.

These hangs didn't exist to this extent from 5.5 through 7.0, at least,
although there were a couple of 7.0 series that had shorter lags, and  I've
seen multi-second lags on changing panes almost since 7.0 rolled around.


>It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a
long handler and see if we could reduce it.

This is stuff that I very much can't release :)



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 18:06:00 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:06:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Livecode all around the world
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82Drm7PaACXMux5J8gUA1QMD04PcbLdOhPkr=z5+s6U2NDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwn9XB013MTBRKXsD3ix7+q3n1rZGGmdQXjkpTFDo9GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAH-=WV9GWU=-X1dcmpnr6ObAsVAQ6RygXGaEHRbKnq2FYrhqTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+S82DozMoVyRyQo0nbgDaP9vD2NKKWe9tPA=rAw+YvEjHKjgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+S82Dqg4hJGe4KtZf=Ux5MWpfcZ8r_H6WwEih8oniJFfzAWfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+S82Drm7PaACXMux5J8gUA1QMD04PcbLdOhPkr=z5+s6U2NDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446764760244-4698513.post@n4.nabble.com>

Many Thanks for your ideas and opinions about
this unusual and very hypothetical topic.

I agree with many of your points of view:
This could works very well in some languages
and not so well in many others... but this should
be tested by Universities, with feedback from
students and professionals alike.

Notice that LiveCode should always run and
compile only English Scripts. So when I write:
Pon 5 en miVariable, LiveCode will understand:
Put 5 into miVariable... but the stack will store
these definitions or translations and use them
in the script editor to show the script in the
user's or developer native language.

The engine will only understand english scripts
but developers will read and use Livecode scripts
in their own language.

Hopefully this could be implemented 
without any modification to the engine.

Al




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From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Thu Nov  5 18:29:26 2015
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:29:26 +0000
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have actually seen this myself once whilst running in debug mode from
source, and I think it was stuck in a 'TryToEvaluate' loop for some reason
- I think it can be stopped by doing Cmd + . although that might not be the
same thing.

Anyway, It's worth filing a bug report if there isn't one already.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:25 PM Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:01 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think he probably meant "script" rather than "handler." But even my
> most
> > complex project wasn't that long. (If it really is a single handler then
> it
> > isn't written correctly.) When I see numbers like that, my first thought
> is
> > "optimization."
> >
>
> Err, yes; script.
>
> *shudder*
>
> The main stack with support routines has a script of almost 15k lines, the
> output processing script button has over 5k.
>
> I do hit about 800 lines in one routine and 600 in another, counting
> commented out obsolete code and white space; probably only a couple of
> lines each.
>
> These hangs didn't exist to this extent from 5.5 through 7.0, at least,
> although there were a couple of 7.0 series that had shorter lags, and  I've
> seen multi-second lags on changing panes almost since 7.0 rolled around.
>
>
> >It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a
> long handler and see if we could reduce it.
>
> This is stuff that I very much can't release :)
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 18:42:40 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:42:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioM+-P7Ri8ZwmHWZKf7Wd93E09zaykRGo-OZiiFgZbX_mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>
	<CAGASioM+-P7Ri8ZwmHWZKf7Wd93E09zaykRGo-OZiiFgZbX_mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Paul

After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html

Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens?

Al



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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 19:02:51 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:02:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1446768171766-4698516.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Klaus,

In Linux, we use shell commands:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=18429

Al



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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 20:25:02 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (gcanyon at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:25:02 -0500
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AFEE6624-1F7D-498F-B32B-5E02555B3FDC@gmail.com>

I am always in for this. 

gc

gc

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 4:01 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a long handler and see if we could reduce it.



From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Nov  5 22:51:05 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:51:05 -1000
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is
 Up
Message-ID: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>

Jai Ganesha! Wow! we did it!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.himalayanacademy.gurudeva

After years of coding tools for in house production service and then web 
server side scripting... I finally got to do some fun work and build the 
prototype for an app that is a simple thing for the annual memorial of 
our founder... We used to do an ink-on-paper thing but this year we 
decided to do an app.

I want to thank Jacque Landmand Gay for her work on this which was 
amazing, taking my app and turning it into something that actually work 
on Android (I built for iPhone 6 Plus)

I also want to thank the Livecode team in Edinborough for their 
incredibly fast responses to all our bug reports... It seemed like every 
time we logged a bug, they had it fixed in less than 8 hours!

Submitting to Google Play was "child's play"  -- the iOS version is 
coming out soon once I take a breath and put on my mud suit before 
diving into Apple's Preparation for Submission snake pit...

Thanks again to everyone who has supported us through the years! An 
awesome community!

Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:45:48 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:45:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
	is Up
In-Reply-To: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>

Congratulations! :-) 

Could you post screenshots and explain us
how this app works? I am sure that your
experience could be really helpful for many
of us, LiveCode developers.

Alejandro



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From simplsol at aol.com  Fri Nov  6 02:50:15 2015
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 23:50:15 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>
	<CAGASioM+-P7Ri8ZwmHWZKf7Wd93E09zaykRGo-OZiiFgZbX_mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47D2B773-897E-4242-99AA-F781B17B2D9A@aol.com>

Alejandro,

No, we do not use SDB. We looked at it a decade ago and decided to go a different route.

Paul Looney


> On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library:
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html
> 
> Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens?
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 
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From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Fri Nov  6 04:23:57 2015
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:23:57 +0100
Subject: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5 export ?
Message-ID: <AD5470CA-079B-440B-A4C1-DDA1A0377D4C@id.uzh.ch>

To all at LiveCode

Do I read and interpret your announcement (Fireworks for HTML5) correctly ?

There are now two Indy license types, one with HTML5 and one without ?

I had a (what was called Enterprise License) for many, many years with all
Deployment options intakt - this recently got converted to an Indy License.

You recently also introduced a new Business version which is very expensive.

Now you have an another new License type called "Indy - All Platforms? for 998$

What was once ease becomes complicated, and expensive.

I can?t afford to by Indy for all platforms at this price - sorry !

To double the price ?if I read your announcement correctly? seems to unreasonable to me.

Luckily I was a founder of the HTML5 feature - I hope that this qualifies me to get
HTML5 export with my current Indy licence for ever, or does it not ?

I wonder what others think about this...

From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Nov  6 05:08:26 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:08:26 +0000
Subject: HTML5 licensing [was: Re: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5
	export ?]
In-Reply-To: <AD5470CA-079B-440B-A4C1-DDA1A0377D4C@id.uzh.ch>
References: <AD5470CA-079B-440B-A4C1-DDA1A0377D4C@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <563C7C1A.6080102@livecode.com>

Hi Rolf,

On 06/11/2015 09:23, Rolf Kocherhans wrote:
> Do I read and interpret your announcement (Fireworks for HTML5) correctly ?
>
> There are now two Indy license types, one with HTML5 and one without ?

There is only one Indy license type.  It costs $499 per year, and allows 
you to deploy proprietary ("closed-source") apps to Mac OS X, Linux, 
Windows, iOS and Android.

Optionally, customers can add on the ability to deploy to HTML5, for an 
extra $499 per year.

> I had a (what was called Enterprise License) for many, many years with all
> Deployment options intakt - this recently got converted to an Indy License.
>
> You recently also introduced a new Business version which is very expensive.
>
> Now you have an another new License type called "Indy - All Platforms? for 998$

Once again, "Indy - All Platforms" is not a "new License type".  It's 
just the same Indy license, but with the HTML5 deployment option included.

> What was once ease becomes complicated, and expensive.
>
> I can?t afford to by Indy for all platforms at this price - sorry !
>
> To double the price ?if I read your announcement correctly? seems to unreasonable to me.

HTML5 is a *very* different platform to any of the other ones that 
supported by LiveCode, and it is particularly challenging to maintain 
the HTML5 engine in ways that the other platforms are not.  iOS is a 
continually-moving target, but HTML5 is even more so -- iOS gets updated 
every few months, but web browsers get updated on a *weekly* basis.

Accordingly, commercial HTML5 deployment licenses cost extra, *exactly 
as we always promised*.  The crowdfunding campaign was quite clear about 
this:

"The commercial license for HTML5 will be priced the same as the current 
license pricing to build apps.

"It will be an entirely separate license.

"This output platform provides significant additional value for our 
customers and will require its own engineering team and ongoing 
maintenance thus the separate license."

> Luckily I was a founder of the HTML5 feature - I hope that this qualifies me to get
> HTML5 export with my current Indy licence for ever, or does it not ?

You pledged $99 to the "LiveCode To HTML5" campaign, which entitles you 
to a 3-month commercial HTML5 deployment license with a start date of 
your choosing.  We will be setting up a system that will let you to 
choose the start date of your license via your account page on the 
LiveCode website, and you'll get an e-mail when that's live.

                                            Peter

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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Nov  6 06:00:49 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:00:49 +0100
Subject: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5 export ?
In-Reply-To: <AD5470CA-079B-440B-A4C1-DDA1A0377D4C@id.uzh.ch>
References: <AD5470CA-079B-440B-A4C1-DDA1A0377D4C@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <7CADC827-F79A-45B5-88E1-7930D9E864FE@m-r-d.de>

It was stated before by Livecode/Runrev that HTML5 will be an extra for which you have to pay.

I had also an Enterprise license and if i remember right only Win/Mac/Linux deployment was included.
Mobile deployment and Livecode server were extras for which one had to pay for.

What i definitely know is, that the Lifetime Commercial License(now special Indy License without revenue limit) from the first Kickstarter campaign(the open source campaign) includes
all existing and all future platforms. So HTML5 is definitely included in that license.

Matthias


> Am 06.11.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Rolf Kocherhans <rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch>:
> 
> To all at LiveCode
> 
> Do I read and interpret your announcement (Fireworks for HTML5) correctly ?
> 
> There are now two Indy license types, one with HTML5 and one without ?
> 
> I had a (what was called Enterprise License) for many, many years with all


> Deployment options intakt - this recently got converted to an Indy License.
> 
> You recently also introduced a new Business version which is very expensive.
> 
> Now you have an another new License type called "Indy - All Platforms? for 998$
> 
> What was once ease becomes complicated, and expensive.
> 
> I can?t afford to by Indy for all platforms at this price - sorry !
> 
> To double the price ?if I read your announcement correctly? seems to unreasonable to me.
> 
> Luckily I was a founder of the HTML5 feature - I hope that this qualifies me to get
> HTML5 export with my current Indy licence for ever, or does it not ?
> 
> I wonder what others think about this...
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Nov  6 06:49:02 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:49:02 +0000
Subject: HTML5 & lifetime licenses [was: Re: Indy doubles in price because of
	HTML5 export ?]
In-Reply-To: <7CADC827-F79A-45B5-88E1-7930D9E864FE@m-r-d.de>
References: <AD5470CA-079B-440B-A4C1-DDA1A0377D4C@id.uzh.ch>
	<7CADC827-F79A-45B5-88E1-7930D9E864FE@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <563C93AE.7010206@livecode.com>



On 06/11/2015 11:00, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D wrote:
> What i definitely know is, that the Lifetime Commercial License(now special Indy License without revenue limit) from the first Kickstarter campaign(the open source campaign) includes
> all existing and all future platforms. So HTML5 is definitely included in that license.

Yes, that's absolutely correct.

Note that you might need to reactivate LiveCode in order for HTML5 
deployment entitlement to show up in the IDE.  If you're a lifetime 
license holder and your HTML5 entitlement doesn't appear within the next 
few days, please get in touch with the LiveCode support team 
(support at livecode.com) and they'll get it sorted out for you.

                                   Peter

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Nov  6 07:25:47 2015
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:25:47 +0000
Subject: Problem reading 'inbox' (launched-with) files on iOS 5.1?
Message-ID: <563C9C4B.50208@cogapp.com>

I'm developing an iOS app that accepts files from other apps.  When it 
receives the 'urlWakeUp' message with a suitable URL, it reads in the file, 
checks it's the right kind of file, and then stores it in the user data folder 
for subsequent viewing.

This works fine on my iPhone 4s under iOS 8.4; and on an iPad 2 under iOS 
7.1.1; but on an iPad 1 under iOS 5.1.1, it fails.

Specifically, attempting to load the data using
       put URL tSrcURL into tData

yields empty and the result is "can't open file".

The app can list the 'Inbox' folder and see the details of the incoming files, 
complete with their size etc; but can't read them.

Was there a known issue in relation to iOS 5.1?  Is there a workaround?

Many thanks,

Ben



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Nov  6 07:55:29 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:55:29 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <1446768171766-4698516.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<1446768171766-4698516.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E4EF170D-DBEB-41C5-9220-81BC4CC39625@major-k.de>

Hi Al,

> Am 06.11.2015 um 01:02 schrieb Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> In Linux, we use shell commands:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=18429

that?s muy bien, Al, but does not help me at all! 8-)

> Al

Best

Klaus

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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Nov  6 09:35:04 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:35:04 -0500
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App	is
	Up
In-Reply-To: <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net>

+1 Nice... JLG has also helped me! Thanks J!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:46 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
is Up

Congratulations! :-) 

Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that
your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers.

Alejandro



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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Nov  6 09:35:04 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:35:04 -0500
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App	is
	Up
In-Reply-To: <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net>

+1 Nice... JLG has also helped me! Thanks J!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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Of Alejandro Tejada
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:46 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
is Up

Congratulations! :-) 

Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that
your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers.

Alejandro



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From charles-lachat at orange.fr  Fri Nov  6 09:42:45 2015
From: charles-lachat at orange.fr (Charles Lachat)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:42:45 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>

Hi,

Try

on mouseUp
   set the filename of player "myplayer" to "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
   play player "myplayer"
end mouseUp

Have a look at *player* and *videoClip* in the dictionary.


Regards,

Charles






Le 5 nov. 2015 ? 14:46, Klaus major-k a ?crit :

> Hi all,
> 
> after years of neglecting the ?play? command on the desktop
> due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting
> from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been 
> done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
>  put the result
> end mouseUp 
> 
> Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!?
> Event imported that file, no video.
> Played with ?the dontuseqt?, no vieo.
> Added "?at the loc of this cd? no video.
> 
> Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7.
> 
> Any hints? 
> Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? 8-)
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Nov  6 09:56:06 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:56:06 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 06.11.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Charles Lachat <charles-lachat at orange.fr>:
> Hi,
> Try
> on mouseUp
>   set the filename of player "myplayer" to "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
>   play player "myplayer"
> end mouseUp
> Have a look at *player* and *videoClip* in the dictionary.

I know about player objects etc. my question is about the PLAY VIDEOCLIP command!
Sigh? :-)

> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
> Le 5 nov. 2015 ? 14:46, Klaus major-k a ?crit :
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> after years of neglecting the ?play? command on the desktop
>> due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting
>> from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been 
>> done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
>> put the result
>> end mouseUp 
>> 
>> Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!?
>> Event imported that file, no video.
>> Played with ?the dontuseqt?, no vieo.
>> Added "?at the loc of this cd? no video.
>> 
>> Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7.
>> 
>> Any hints? 
>> Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? 8-)
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!

Best

Klaus

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 10:27:43 2015
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:27:43 +0000
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>
	<63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9GNOu1mVvCFZKAfrExXgtF-+TjMinnZsGjqnWHzsdjXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Klaus,

I guess you are affected by this bug:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13951

Best,
Panos
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> > Am 06.11.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Charles Lachat <charles-lachat at orange.fr
> >:
> > Hi,
> > Try
> > on mouseUp
> >   set the filename of player "myplayer" to
> "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
> >   play player "myplayer"
> > end mouseUp
> > Have a look at *player* and *videoClip* in the dictionary.
>
> I know about player objects etc. my question is about the PLAY VIDEOCLIP
> command!
> Sigh? :-)
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > Le 5 nov. 2015 ? 14:46, Klaus major-k a ?crit :
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> after years of neglecting the ?play? command on the desktop
> >> due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting
> >> from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been
> >> done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >> play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4"
> >> put the result
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!?
> >> Event imported that file, no video.
> >> Played with ?the dontuseqt?, no vieo.
> >> Added "?at the loc of this cd? no video.
> >>
> >> Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7.
> >>
> >> Any hints?
> >> Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less?
> 8-)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance!
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Nov  6 10:33:11 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:33:11 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9GNOu1mVvCFZKAfrExXgtF-+TjMinnZsGjqnWHzsdjXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>
	<63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de>
	<CA+JfEq9GNOu1mVvCFZKAfrExXgtF-+TjMinnZsGjqnWHzsdjXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF64F0FF-40B2-4BBC-9506-E34C6ED29A9D@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 06.11.2015 um 16:27 schrieb panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> I guess you are affected by this bug:
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13951

yes, obviously, thanks! :-)
Also applies to LC 7x and LC 8x.

Any plans to also ?pimp? the ?play video-/audioclip? command to up-to-date demands?

> Best,
> Panos

Best

Klaus

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From merakosp at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:08:22 2015
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:08:22 +0000
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <CF64F0FF-40B2-4BBC-9506-E34C6ED29A9D@major-k.de>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>
	<63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de>
	<CA+JfEq9GNOu1mVvCFZKAfrExXgtF-+TjMinnZsGjqnWHzsdjXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF64F0FF-40B2-4BBC-9506-E34C6ED29A9D@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-eLnBpuwDEAHfPyB60MA5g0hjq+J55Ebzp3XBpxaaOUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Klaus,

Indeed, the play audioClip/videoClip command is a bit outdated. These
commands will be updated when we redo multimedia on all platforms. However,
we'll have a look at this bug to try at least get functionality back to
where it was pre-6.7.

Best,
Panos
--

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> > Am 06.11.2015 um 16:27 schrieb panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> > I guess you are affected by this bug:
> > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13951
>
> yes, obviously, thanks! :-)
> Also applies to LC 7x and LC 8x.
>
> Any plans to also ?pimp? the ?play video-/audioclip? command to up-to-date
> demands?
>
> > Best,
> > Panos
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Nov  6 11:13:50 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:13:50 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-eLnBpuwDEAHfPyB60MA5g0hjq+J55Ebzp3XBpxaaOUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr>
	<63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de>
	<CA+JfEq9GNOu1mVvCFZKAfrExXgtF-+TjMinnZsGjqnWHzsdjXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF64F0FF-40B2-4BBC-9506-E34C6ED29A9D@major-k.de>
	<CA+JfEq-eLnBpuwDEAHfPyB60MA5g0hjq+J55Ebzp3XBpxaaOUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ACA3F7F-AC1A-440A-AC93-F838AE330765@major-k.de>

Hi Panos,

> Am 06.11.2015 um 17:08 schrieb panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Indeed, the play audioClip/videoClip command is a bit outdated.

that?s the euphemism of the year! :-D

> These commands will be updated when we redo multimedia on all platforms. However,
> we'll have a look at this bug to try at least get functionality back to
> where it was pre-6.7.

Great, thank you!

> Best,
> Panos

Best

Klaus

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From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:29:45 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:29:45 -0800
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHDRr5jXxSjevU8kDSbJnDw61D-Ma-NsXxERKw1cD95VA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> wrote:

> I have actually seen this myself once whilst running in debug mode from
> source, and I think it was stuck in a 'TryToEvaluate' loop for some reason
> - I think it can be stopped by doing Cmd + . although that might not be the
> same thing.
>

To be clear:  thesis not on ode execution, compiling, or even saving.

This happens when I change a few characters in a script.

For example, I cut three lines, paste them in a different section, and
before it reformats them to the new indentation, it simply heads off to
la-la land with the beachball for several seconds


>
> Anyway, It's worth filing a bug report if there isn't one already.
>




-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:53:06 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:53:06 -0700
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHDRr5jXxSjevU8kDSbJnDw61D-Ma-NsXxERKw1cD95VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHDRr5jXxSjevU8kDSbJnDw61D-Ma-NsXxERKw1cD95VA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr_iU9u9yS+kaAMatSaS4=m3DOCi1vJ9WkpyemY71cWSw@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script
editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going.  Unfortunately,
while it happens often enough to notice, I haven't managed to nail down a
recipe.  Sometimes it goes away when I shut the dictionary, other times I
turn off messages for a moment (as if there was a runaway handler, that
wasn't actually cpu locking, but was close..)  Mostly in various 7
versions, once or twice in 8.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> wrote:
>
> > I have actually seen this myself once whilst running in debug mode from
> > source, and I think it was stuck in a 'TryToEvaluate' loop for some
> reason
> > - I think it can be stopped by doing Cmd + . although that might not be
> the
> > same thing.
> >
>
> To be clear:  thesis not on ode execution, compiling, or even saving.
>
> This happens when I change a few characters in a script.
>
> For example, I cut three lines, paste them in a different section, and
> before it reformats them to the new indentation, it simply heads off to
> la-la land with the beachball for several seconds
>
>
> >
> > Anyway, It's worth filing a bug report if there isn't one already.
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Fri Nov  6 12:06:31 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:06:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com>

As a multimedia developer, I just want to echo what Klaus said about the lack
of modern multimedia support in Livecode.  Fixing this shortcoming will lead
to more new customers for LC. I know that I, for one, have not been able to
recommend Livecode to my peers due to this lack of modern multimedia
support. I bet I'm not the only one. 

My 2 cents.
Tom B.



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From msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu  Fri Nov  6 12:57:10 2015
From: msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Siskin)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:57:10 +0000
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <64E63ED9-5584-4BCF-A720-8E362B551F4E@andrew.cmu.edu>

I agree that working with Multimedia in Livecode recently has been a struggle.  That is why I was reluctant to contribute to the 64-Bit Feature Exchange.  I just hope that the period we will have to suffer through between the time they remove multimedia support and when they put it back in is short.

Marc

On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:06 PM, tbodine <bodine at bodinetraininggames.com<mailto:bodine at bodinetraininggames.com>> wrote:

As a multimedia developer, I just want to echo what Klaus said about the lack
of modern multimedia support in Livecode.  Fixing this shortcoming will lead
to more new customers for LC. I know that I, for one, have not been able to
recommend Livecode to my peers due to this lack of modern multimedia
support. I bet I'm not the only one.

My 2 cents.
Tom B.



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 13:06:54 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:06:54 +0200
Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager
Message-ID: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com>

Well?

Richmond.



From mark at livecode.com  Fri Nov  6 13:10:28 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 19:10:28 +0100
Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com>
References: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com>

On 2015-11-06 19:06, Richmond wrote:
> Well?

Ali has been working on it - 
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/632

It should reappear in DP9 :)

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 13:24:54 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:24:54 -0800
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSr_iU9u9yS+kaAMatSaS4=m3DOCi1vJ9WkpyemY71cWSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHDRr5jXxSjevU8kDSbJnDw61D-Ma-NsXxERKw1cD95VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSr_iU9u9yS+kaAMatSaS4=m3DOCi1vJ9WkpyemY71cWSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEHpvnKmU+8nHMWJ6-b1Fnx=n_PvXVQ6cis0CsKwivxRg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script
> editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going.
>

at times when I assumed that that had happened, the keystrokes eventually
showed up . . .



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Nov  6 13:41:44 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:41:44 +0000
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEHpvnKmU+8nHMWJ6-b1Fnx=n_PvXVQ6cis0CsKwivxRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHDRr5jXxSjevU8kDSbJnDw61D-Ma-NsXxERKw1cD95VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSr_iU9u9yS+kaAMatSaS4=m3DOCi1vJ9WkpyemY71cWSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEHpvnKmU+8nHMWJ6-b1Fnx=n_PvXVQ6cis0CsKwivxRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62F78EAC-FD83-4F6B-BB18-130CD3C6B36D@iotecdigital.com>

I have seen times where saving a stack took an excessively long time to finish. I assumed that LC was doing some kind of high priority housekeeping. I have been using 6.7.6 since it came out.

Bob S


On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:24 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com<mailto:dochawk at gmail.com>> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com<mailto:bonnmike at gmail.com>> wrote:

I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script
editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going.


at times when I assumed that that had happened, the keystrokes eventually
showed up . . .



--
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:08:02 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:08:02 -0700
Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2?
In-Reply-To: <62F78EAC-FD83-4F6B-BB18-130CD3C6B36D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W543F27BDDECE0A02CC949FED290@phx.gbl>
	<563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHN71yE+a6ve+Ym-YgvaeKgfs+XxEKjKrCuAjUuDk0hZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jp5nqCj7SGTVWsE=Q1tmYCG1guu0n1m2mWju+zVMWa2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHDRr5jXxSjevU8kDSbJnDw61D-Ma-NsXxERKw1cD95VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSr_iU9u9yS+kaAMatSaS4=m3DOCi1vJ9WkpyemY71cWSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEHpvnKmU+8nHMWJ6-b1Fnx=n_PvXVQ6cis0CsKwivxRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<62F78EAC-FD83-4F6B-BB18-130CD3C6B36D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp+G29985t2W1zacx0AtUNjZduu4G5gMZqEOL=9j=3eHA@mail.gmail.com>

For me, they were actually disappearing.  Dropped into the void.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> I have seen times where saving a stack took an excessively long time to
> finish. I assumed that LC was doing some kind of high priority
> housekeeping. I have been using 6.7.6 since it came out.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:24 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com<mailto:
> dochawk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com<mailto:
> bonnmike at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script
> editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going.
>
>
> at times when I assumed that that had happened, the keystrokes eventually
> showed up . . .
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Nov  6 14:08:22 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:08:22 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>
	<CAGASioM+-P7Ri8ZwmHWZKf7Wd93E09zaykRGo-OZiiFgZbX_mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <77D74485-6C4D-4A8E-8B31-51FCB81059D4@iotecdigital.com>

The link to the library is no longer viable. 

Bob S


> On Nov 5, 2015, at 15:42 , Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library:
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html
> 
> Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens?
> 
> Al



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:15:16 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:15:16 +0200
Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com>
References: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com>
	<030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <563CFC44.2060300@gmail.com>

On 06/11/15 20:10, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2015-11-06 19:06, Richmond wrote:
>> Well?
>
> Ali has been working on it - 
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/632
>
> It should reappear in DP9 :)
>
> Mark.
>

Well; I suppose so, although I have never used it as when I played about 
with it it actually
seemed like more trouble than it was worth and it seemed better to set 
resize and reposition codes
for objects myself.

Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Nov  6 14:29:58 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:29:58 -0800
Subject: Problem reading 'inbox' (launched-with) files on iOS 5.1?
In-Reply-To: <563C9C4B.50208@cogapp.com>
References: <563C9C4B.50208@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <563CFFB6.1030601@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> This works fine on my iPhone 4s under iOS 8.4; and on an iPad 2 under iOS
> 7.1.1; but on an iPad 1 under iOS 5.1.1, it fails.
>
> Specifically, attempting to load the data using
>        put URL tSrcURL into tData
>
> yields empty and the result is "can't open file".

With any file I/O routines it's essential to check "the result", and 
very helpful to also use "sysError" to find out what the OS is trying to 
tell us about why something went wrong:

    put url tSrcURL into tData
    if the result is not empty then
       answer the result &"("& sysError() &")"
    end if


-- 
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  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From david at viral.academy  Fri Nov  6 15:35:48 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:35:48 +0000
Subject: Livecode REST Server
Message-ID: <CAGASioPb1Xtm+LdAU0ybo+=EH7ySEpMoSNrBLq+icd7Q7AT-1Q@mail.gmail.com>

How do I set the httpheaders for a server side script written in Livecode -
that is before using "put" to send data back to the server. set the
httpheaders does not seem to work? I need to set CORS headers for the
response from the server.


From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Nov  6 15:39:27 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:39:27 -1000
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
	is Up
In-Reply-To: <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net>
Message-ID: <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>

Alejandro:

Did you download the app from the Google Play... you can see it, better 
than screen shots.

How does it work?  Except for one item... design to run without internet 
access.

Quite simple really

gurudeva.livecode (app)

cd 1 - splash screen with rotating gear GIF
cd 2 - "main-card" shows photos... random selection, gets quotes, random 
selection
cd 3-4 - img resources, not shown to user... all icon etc we apply to 
buttons
cd 5 "Reader Card" single text field dynamically loads sets of quotes or 
html files, search results
cd 6 Other options card: a basic navigation screen to the other 
"features" text, read quotes by category.
cd 7 audio card: buttons for 8 audio, a player object, and a "surprise 
Me" button that fetches a random audio from our server.

    /data

       / * a few static html files here: biography.html, 
about-this-app.html, help.html, release-notes.html
       / gurudeva-quotes.txt # 670K file with unicode, one quote per 
line, separated by "pipes" with tabs and assigned categories  in item 3 
of each line ~2570 quotes/lines

  /img

       /gurudeva

            # ~ 270 images (jpg) optimized with imageMagic and mozcjpeg. 
uncropped (most are bigger than screen rect)

   /audio
     8 .mp3 files packaged with the app
     audio.json  has the metadata for the 8 audio files.

That's it --  very simple.

  Had it not been for all the bugs we uncovered (media display on 
Android mostly) it would have been done even sooner.





> Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that
> your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers.
>
> Alejandro




From jbv at souslelogo.com  Fri Nov  6 15:46:21 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:46:21 +0200
Subject: Livecode REST Server
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPb1Xtm+LdAU0ybo+=EH7ySEpMoSNrBLq+icd7Q7AT-1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPb1Xtm+LdAU0ybo+=EH7ySEpMoSNrBLq+icd7Q7AT-1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90886446e8a16b9eb0345b71817b7c19.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

put header "Content-Type: text/xml; charset: utf-8"

Best
jbv


> How do I set the httpheaders for a server side script written in Livecode
> -
> that is before using "put" to send data back to the server. set the
> httpheaders does not seem to work? I need to set CORS headers for the
> response from the server.
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Nov  6 16:52:28 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:52:28 -0800
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does what
I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output.
But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know
where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.

I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" .
Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the
right direction?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Nov  6 16:53:42 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:53:42 -0500
Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager
In-Reply-To: <563CFC44.2060300@gmail.com>
References: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com>
	<030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com>
	<563CFC44.2060300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO0zG7oY6jYLg9ZnvPZafaNBcgQwafwQeSNPh+TWCSDRw@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of which, has anyone thought about GM on mobile in 8, and that
nifty thing that used to make mobile landscape layouts easier to generate
like a certain mobile tool used to have?

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 06/11/15 20:10, Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-06 19:06, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Well?
>>>
>>
>> Ali has been working on it -
>> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/632
>>
>> It should reappear in DP9 :)
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
> Well; I suppose so, although I have never used it as when I played about
> with it it actually
> seemed like more trouble than it was worth and it seemed better to set
> resize and reposition codes
> for objects myself.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Fri Nov  6 16:56:58 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:56:58 -0800
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>

I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work
because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've
assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command
is used instead.

It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get
around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX
standalone application?

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Nov  6 17:07:19 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:07:19 -0800
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563D2497.3040505@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/06/2015 01:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
> interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does what
> I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output.
> But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know
> where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
>
> I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" .
> Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the
> right direction?

For simple REST services you can probably get by with GET and POST. For 
anything more robust I shell out to httpie. And for testing REST 
functions, the Postman plugin/app for Chrome is great.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Nov  6 17:20:31 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:20:31 +0000
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>

It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to get that to work.

Bob S


On Nov 6, 2015, at 13:56 , Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com<mailto:bornstein at designeq.com>> wrote:

I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work
because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've
assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command
is used instead.

It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get
around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX
standalone application?

--
Regards,

Howard Bornstein



From bornstein at designeq.com  Fri Nov  6 17:30:04 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:30:04 -0800
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtSYtGOcdSewwK4pg_O4QXqSf_0OpB0x2hNBwqEap9aJbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a list of system shortcuts that can't be overridden? When you say
you want to make a quit hotkey, do you mean you want to assign command-Q to
a menu item?

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to
> make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to
> get that to work.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 13:56 , Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com
> <mailto:bornstein at designeq.com>> wrote:
>
> I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work
> because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've
> assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command
> is used instead.
>
> It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get
> around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX
> standalone application?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein
>
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-----------------------
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Nov  6 18:08:56 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:08:56 -0800
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <563D2497.3040505@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563D2497.3040505@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNLn0JisaTF8ezwbUTiSkwab0bJCPooQaK__BhVwHHUdA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark.  So it sounds like I could use the Post command along with
libURLFormData to send off the URL and then check the it variable to get
whatever comes back.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 11/06/2015 01:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
>> interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does what
>> I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output.
>> But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know
>> where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
>>
>> I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed"
>> .
>> Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the
>> right direction?
>>
>
> For simple REST services you can probably get by with GET and POST. For
> anything more robust I shell out to httpie. And for testing REST functions,
> the Postman plugin/app for Chrome is great.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  6 18:10:46 2015
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:10:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446851446873-4698558.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Peter, I've found this site to be very useful 
http://activethought.net/livecode-server/introduction/
<http://activethought.net/livecode-server/introduction/>   for server
related info. It may help you in your quest.



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Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now:
Get Copy 


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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 18:51:17 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 07:51:17 +0800
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khwHxbrpwvkaaT3pvegj1fnOJ-AJQnWf0Dkb_T3W4APXw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot
> to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings):
>
> Paul,

I don't wish to 'add the straw' on what clearly is a very large
undertaking, but from a recent thread here I would suggest a topic on
unicode and char sets. For anyone new to DBs, not just LC + DBs,
understanding what char set an old DB is using, or what char set to create
a new DB in and how to handle all the situations in between is a hurdle
that has to be crossed particularly if their intended stack is to be
cross-platform. Maybe:

XVIII. Handling Cross-Platform and non-ASCII characters

Good luck and look forward to it's completion.


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Nov  6 18:54:25 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:54:25 -0800
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <1446851446873-4698558.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1446851446873-4698558.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePwea-JuziFqvbj5-+j3vq1kV+P2MtHVXfg7nd2RqOotg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andy, I'll take a look.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:10 PM, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter, I've found this site to be very useful
> http://activethought.net/livecode-server/introduction/
> <http://activethought.net/livecode-server/introduction/>   for server
> related info. It may help you in your quest.
>
>
>
> -----
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>
> Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now:
> Get Copy
>
>
> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
>
> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker
> / finder.
> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-interface-with-third-party-API-using-URLs-tp4698551p4698558.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Nov  6 19:24:22 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 00:24:22 +0000
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtSYtGOcdSewwK4pg_O4QXqSf_0OpB0x2hNBwqEap9aJbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAOpWwtSYtGOcdSewwK4pg_O4QXqSf_0OpB0x2hNBwqEap9aJbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19B472D8-59B8-4033-A970-DE6C142049D7@iotecdigital.com>

Yes. You can assign it, but it does nothing.

Bob S


On Nov 6, 2015, at 14:30 , Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com<mailto:bornstein at designeq.com>> wrote:

Is there a list of system shortcuts that can't be overridden? When you say
you want to make a quit hotkey, do you mean you want to assign command-Q to
a menu item?



From bornstein at designeq.com  Fri Nov  6 19:45:55 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:45:55 -0800
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <19B472D8-59B8-4033-A970-DE6C142049D7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAOpWwtSYtGOcdSewwK4pg_O4QXqSf_0OpB0x2hNBwqEap9aJbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<19B472D8-59B8-4033-A970-DE6C142049D7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtQMF=3OEjXwZKReOdqi5ZQ0XBLEzv_Bkg2xYCmMKq63Zg@mail.gmail.com>

After some difficulty, I've been able to get Quit to work, but the
command-Q part is handled by the system. What are you trying to do?

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Yes. You can assign it, but it does nothing.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 14:30 , Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com
> <mailto:bornstein at designeq.com>> wrote:
>
> Is there a list of system shortcuts that can't be overridden? When you say
> you want to make a quit hotkey, do you mean you want to assign command-Q to
> a menu item?
>
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-----------------------
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Nov  6 20:28:44 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 01:28:44 +0000
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>

Pete,

See my notes at http://livecode.byu.edu/indexgeneric.php under Web Services. Pretty basic, and I may be missing some important points, but it might get you started.

Devin

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
> interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does what
> I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output.
> But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know
> where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
> 
> I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" .
> Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the
> right direction?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 22:01:27 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:01:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com>
References: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com>
Message-ID: <1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi All,

Just an update. I am building and testing a new parser (or importer)
for SVG files based in SVGL and new scripts to import gradients
that I used in the attached livecode stack inside a zip file.

This new svg parser (not available yet) will be more flexible 
about the expected SVG structure. After analizing and testing 
many SVG files generated by different applications, I noticed 
that a better strategy is to parse and validate whole tags, 
before creating graphics in the stack:

<Start Tag>
... followed by unpredictable/correct/wrong 
... content that needs validation...
</End Tag> or maybe just this closing mark />

In the attached zip file, that you could download from:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25612
I have included 4 small svg files with the stack
inside the Zip file. Import these small svg files
in first place.

Have a nice weekend!

Al



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 11:41:09 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 18:41:09 +0200
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com>
	<1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <563E29A5.9020803@gmail.com>

On 07/11/15 05:01, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just an update. I am building and testing a new parser (or importer)
> for SVG files based in SVGL and new scripts to import gradients
> that I used in the attached livecode stack inside a zip file.
>
> This new svg parser (not available yet) will be more flexible
> about the expected SVG structure. After analizing and testing
> many SVG files generated by different applications, I noticed
> that a better strategy is to parse and validate whole tags,
> before creating graphics in the stack:
>
> <Start Tag>
> ... followed by unpredictable/correct/wrong
> ... content that needs validation...
> </End Tag> or maybe just this closing mark />
>
> In the attached zip file, that you could download from:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25612
> I have included 4 small svg files with the stack
> inside the Zip file. Import these small svg files
> in first place.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> Al
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-Vector-Images-and-the-SVGL-stack-tp4698284p4698564.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
This is really super work: Mark Waddingham and Co. should "sit up and 
take notice".

Frankly, in the light of the fact that Alejandro can do this 
single-handedly I cannot help wondering
why the LiveCode team seem to be having some sort of "problem" vis-a-vis 
SVG and the IDE right now.

Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Nov  7 12:13:58 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:13:58 -0800
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
Message-ID: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>

This works:

command SomeTimer
   DoSomething
   send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
end SomeTimer

This doesn't work:

private command SomeTimer
   DoSomething
   send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
end SomeTimer

I can kinda understand why, but I'd like to be able to manage a timer 
from within a library without exposing the timer to other scripts.

Anyone know of a trick for that?

I suppose I could look at line -2 of the executionContexts, but that 
feels "unclean".

-- 
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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Nov  7 12:30:00 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:30:00 -0800
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN81XJg3SOVsejaPSvsfBO_V+jz_B0_q0sJ=TsceyXqVA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Devin, I need to remember to always check your site when I'm looking
to get started with something!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Pete,
>
> See my notes at http://livecode.byu.edu/indexgeneric.php under Web
> Services. Pretty basic, and I may be missing some important points, but it
> might get you started.
>
> Devin
>
> > On Nov 6, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
> > interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does
> what
> > I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the
> output.
> > But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know
> > where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
> >
> > I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML
> feed" .
> > Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the
> > right direction?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> Devin Asay
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Nov  7 12:41:10 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:41:10 -0800
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
In-Reply-To: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>
References: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <563E37B6.5020905@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/07/2015 09:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> This works:
>
> command SomeTimer
>    DoSomething
>    send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
> end SomeTimer
>
> This doesn't work:
>
> private command SomeTimer
>    DoSomething
>    send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
> end SomeTimer
>
> I can kinda understand why, but I'd like to be able to manage a timer
> from within a library without exposing the timer to other scripts.
>
> Anyone know of a trick for that?

Nope. That has never worked.
I've resigned myself to making the targets of send and dispatch commands 
public. The only way I can think of to get around this is to make a 
public method that then calls the private one. Same thing with callback 
handlers.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  7 13:09:04 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:09:04 -0500
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN81XJg3SOVsejaPSvsfBO_V+jz_B0_q0sJ=TsceyXqVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN81XJg3SOVsejaPSvsfBO_V+jz_B0_q0sJ=TsceyXqVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPUSQnFjqVgpPmdJukYgkuZrHjaoEHCGe+Z7wgvZxn37Q@mail.gmail.com>

A good example is the phx_dropboxLib that Gugliermo wrote that has been
updated and tweaked by the community

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Thanks Devin, I need to remember to always check your site when I'm looking
> to get started with something!
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Pete,
> >
> > See my notes at http://livecode.byu.edu/indexgeneric.php under Web
> > Services. Pretty basic, and I may be missing some important points, but
> it
> > might get you started.
> >
> > Devin
> >
> > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
> > > interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does
> > what
> > > I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the
> > output.
> > > But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know
> > > where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
> > >
> > > I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML
> > feed" .
> > > Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in
> the
> > > right direction?
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> > Devin Asay
> > Office of Digital Humanities
> > Brigham Young University
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From paul at researchware.com  Sat Nov  7 13:15:18 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 13:15:18 -0500
Subject: Export snapshot question...
Message-ID: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>

I am using the "export snapshot from rect tRect to ... " for of the
export snapshot command to export the interior of a stack window where
and External has drawn in the window. tRect is set to the global
(screen) coordinates of the interior area of the window based on its
current position.

This works fine. I get a resulting image that is exactly what I am
seeing on screen.

Now I have experimented with move the stack off-screen so that I can
capture the image without the user seeing the window. I have discovered
that if a portion of the window is visible, but say, extends off the
bottom of the screen, and my coordinates in tRect encompass the area
both on and off screen, the image is created just fine.

However, if the whole window is off screen, for example by setting the
topLeft of the window to -5000,-5000 or to 5000,5000, then the export
snapshot command throw and execution error that there is nothing to
snapshop.

Has anyone else run into this issue with export snapshot using screen
coordinates? Is there some reason why export snapshot should not be able
to take a snapshop of something rendered "off-screen"? Is this a known
export snapshop issue? I could not find an applicable bug entry for this
behavior.

I am using LC6.7.6 under Windows 8.1





From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Nov  7 13:28:17 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:28:17 -0800
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPUSQnFjqVgpPmdJukYgkuZrHjaoEHCGe+Z7wgvZxn37Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN81XJg3SOVsejaPSvsfBO_V+jz_B0_q0sJ=TsceyXqVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPUSQnFjqVgpPmdJukYgkuZrHjaoEHCGe+Z7wgvZxn37Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO7VZx_E8dZ2yBM_9KLDDCM-SktEZmVtNOdG7gGn_L9qw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike.  Where can I find that?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> A good example is the phx_dropboxLib that Gugliermo wrote that has been
> updated and tweaked by the community
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Devin, I need to remember to always check your site when I'm
> looking
> > to get started with something!
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Pete,
> > >
> > > See my notes at http://livecode.byu.edu/indexgeneric.php under Web
> > > Services. Pretty basic, and I may be missing some important points, but
> > it
> > > might get you started.
> > >
> > > Devin
> > >
> > > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
> > > > interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that does
> > > what
> > > > I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the
> > > output.
> > > > But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't
> know
> > > > where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
> > > >
> > > > I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML
> > > feed" .
> > > > Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in
> > the
> > > > right direction?
> > > >
> > > > Pete
> > > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html>
> and
> > > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
> > > Devin Asay
> > > Office of Digital Humanities
> > > Brigham Young University
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
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> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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From paul at livecode.org  Sat Nov  7 13:46:39 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:46:39 -0800
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>
References: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <D15D8E91-BFF8-400A-9A7F-1D0245E7B7A1@livecode.org>

Yes this is the expected behaviour. Export snapshot from rect is not be able to take a snapshot of something "off-screen? because it?s not rendered by the display.

Export snapshot from rect uses the device's display output to render the image, but if you use Export snapshot of an object (stack, card, group etc.), then the LC engine renders the image, so you can take a snapshot of a stack that is off-screen this way. I hope that makes sense!

Paul

> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:
> 
> I am using the "export snapshot from rect tRect to ... " for of the
> export snapshot command to export the interior of a stack window where
> and External has drawn in the window. tRect is set to the global
> (screen) coordinates of the interior area of the window based on its
> current position.
> 
> This works fine. I get a resulting image that is exactly what I am
> seeing on screen.
> 
> Now I have experimented with move the stack off-screen so that I can
> capture the image without the user seeing the window. I have discovered
> that if a portion of the window is visible, but say, extends off the
> bottom of the screen, and my coordinates in tRect encompass the area
> both on and off screen, the image is created just fine.
> 
> However, if the whole window is off screen, for example by setting the
> topLeft of the window to -5000,-5000 or to 5000,5000, then the export
> snapshot command throw and execution error that there is nothing to
> snapshop.
> 
> Has anyone else run into this issue with export snapshot using screen
> coordinates? Is there some reason why export snapshot should not be able
> to take a snapshop of something rendered "off-screen"? Is this a known
> export snapshop issue? I could not find an applicable bug entry for this
> behavior.
> 
> I am using LC6.7.6 under Windows 8.1
> 
> 
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  7 13:51:50 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:51:50 -0500
Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO7VZx_E8dZ2yBM_9KLDDCM-SktEZmVtNOdG7gGn_L9qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN81XJg3SOVsejaPSvsfBO_V+jz_B0_q0sJ=TsceyXqVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPUSQnFjqVgpPmdJukYgkuZrHjaoEHCGe+Z7wgvZxn37Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eO7VZx_E8dZ2yBM_9KLDDCM-SktEZmVtNOdG7gGn_L9qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNBAZ3aEwKt6JoFEOzrTxpHpLBp=T7rT4hqhqypw8YcBg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.phoenixsea.ch/downloads/Livecode/phxDropboxLib.zip

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mike.  Where can I find that?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A good example is the phx_dropboxLib that Gugliermo wrote that has been
> > updated and tweaked by the community
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Devin, I need to remember to always check your site when I'm
> > looking
> > > to get started with something!
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pete,
> > > >
> > > > See my notes at http://livecode.byu.edu/indexgeneric.php under Web
> > > > Services. Pretty basic, and I may be missing some important points,
> but
> > > it
> > > > might get you started.
> > > >
> > > > Devin
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to
> > > > > interface to a third party API.  I have been given php code that
> does
> > > > what
> > > > > I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the
> > > > output.
> > > > > But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't
> > know
> > > > > where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML
> > > > feed" .
> > > > > Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me
> in
> > > the
> > > > > right direction?
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete
> > > > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html>
> > and
> > > > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > subscription preferences:
> > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > > >
> > > > Devin Asay
> > > > Office of Digital Humanities
> > > > Brigham Young University
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > subscription preferences:
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Nov  7 13:54:41 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:54:41 -0600
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>

OS X traps and responds to its own system-wide shortcuts and does not 
pass them on to the app, so LC won't know about those.

But Cmd-Q behaves slightly differently. OS X does notify the app so it 
can put up save dialogs or do other housekeeping. If Cmd-Q isn't 
working, then there is probably something in your app that prevents it 
from quitting, like pending messages, open drivers, not passing 
"shutdownRequest", etc.

On 11/6/2015 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to get that to work.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 13:56 , Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com<mailto:bornstein at designeq.com>> wrote:
>
> I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work
> because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've
> assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command
> is used instead.
>
> It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get
> around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX
> standalone application?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein
>
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-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Nov  7 13:58:50 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:58:50 -0800
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
In-Reply-To: <563E37B6.5020905@ahsoftware.net>
References: <563E37B6.5020905@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <563E49EA.8050705@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 11/07/2015 09:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> This works:
>>
>> command SomeTimer
>>    DoSomething
>>    send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
>> end SomeTimer
>>
>> This doesn't work:
>>
>> private command SomeTimer
>>    DoSomething
>>    send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
>> end SomeTimer
>>
>> I can kinda understand why, but I'd like to be able to manage a timer
>> from within a library without exposing the timer to other scripts.
>>
>> Anyone know of a trick for that?
>
> Nope. That has never worked.
> I've resigned myself to making the targets of send and dispatch commands
> public. The only way I can think of to get around this is to make a
> public method that then calls the private one. Same thing with callback
> handlers.

Inelegant, but this seems to at least block outside callers:

on SomeTimer
    put item 1 of line -2 of the executionContexts into tCaller
    if (tCaller is not empty) AND (tCaller <> the long id of me) then
       exit SomeTimer
    end if
    --
    DoSomething
    send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
end SomeTimer



PS - a pleasant timing surprise:

One of the things I was testing this morning was the CPU impact of 
frequently polling for the existence of a file.  I have two processes 
which (for reasons not worth getting into here) can't talk via sockets, 
so I wondered how inefficient it might be to have them communicate via 
files.  Turns out checking for the existence of a specified file isn't 
bad at all.

Testing a worst-case I polled every millisecond and it never chewed up 
more than 4% of CPU time.  Throttling back to a more reasonable 500 ms 
never registered higher than 0%.

Not sure how well that would work on Windows, but OS X and Linux file 
system caching seems to make even brute force solutions like polling 
pretty nice.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 14:40:43 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:40:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <563E29A5.9020803@gmail.com>
References: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com>
	<1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563E29A5.9020803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1446925243765-4698576.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Richmond,


Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
> This is really super work: Mark Waddingham and Co. 
> should "sit up and take notice".
> 
> Frankly, in the light of the fact that Alejandro can do this 
> single-handedly I cannot help wondering why the LiveCode 
> team seem to be having some sort of "problem" vis-a-vis 
> SVG and the IDE right now.

Many Thanks for your kind words, just notice that
this is not the complete solution but a small step in
the long and winding road of importing SVG graphics
to LiveCode stacks. If LiveCode ask me about this,
I will suggest to import SVG Tiny 1.2 not the 
SVG 1.1 Full specification.
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/

The first time that I saw SVG graphics, I though:
"NO, No, no... I do not want to use or learn anything
about this new format..."
I am sure that I was not alone. 

What is wrong with SVG? Probably nothing... 

A good selling point for SVG is Extensibility
Who does not love and want to apply this 
concept of Extensibility in their own life in 
every possible way? :-D

Those Transformation Matrices catch the eye of 
every 3D graphics developer who have to deal 
with them in a daily basis in their 3D job.

And If you are really dedicated to your craft,
you could add video, audio, animation and 
interactivity within your svg files.

SVG remembers me that old joke:
A Camel is a horse designed by a committee.

SVG is the horse created by WC3 and now everybody
who needs to use vector graphics in the web needs to 
learn to ride that horse... or else (bitmaps).

Al



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From monte at appisle.net  Sat Nov  7 15:17:01 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 07:17:01 +1100
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
In-Reply-To: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>
References: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C294B5F8-E19D-42D6-8BD2-6CD27705EC39@appisle.net>


> On 8 Nov 2015, at 4:13 am, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> This works:
> 
> command SomeTimer
>  DoSomething
>  send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
> end SomeTimer
> 
> This doesn't work:
> 
> private command SomeTimer
>  DoSomething
>  send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
> end SomeTimer
> 
> I can kinda understand why, but I'd like to be able to manage a timer from within a library without exposing the timer to other scripts.
> 
> Anyone know of a trick for that?
> 
> I suppose I could look at line -2 of the executionContexts, but that feels "unclean".

Hi Richard

I had a look in the source and I don?t think it would be all that tricky to upgrade send so you can send private handlers from the same object. Send without a timer is easy as you already have a handle to the execution context which gives you a handle to the calling object. Send in time is a little tricker but not overly so. It just involves adding the calling object in a number of calls and also to the internal pending messages data structure. I guess we could add an extra caller object reference item to the pendingMessages as a result. The engine uses the same mechanism to send a lot of messages so you would need to handle the caller being nil meaning an engine message.

Cheers

Monte


From bornstein at designeq.com  Sat Nov  7 15:23:03 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:23:03 -0800
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtTYpazJpjhFY4FcvhrY-3O2yYk1vpRNtL=Ja010=uivEg@mail.gmail.com>

Do you know which system-wide shortcuts OS X traps? Cmd-H is the one I
found (Hide Apps) and Cmd-Q (for which there is a LC solution). I'm
wondering which other ones we might get stung on. Are you aware of a list
of these traps?

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 10:54 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> OS X traps and responds to its own system-wide shortcuts and does not pass
> them on to the app, so LC won't know about those.
>
> But Cmd-Q behaves slightly differently. OS X does notify the app so it can
> put up save dialogs or do other housekeeping. If Cmd-Q isn't working, then
> there is probably something in your app that prevents it from quitting,
> like pending messages, open drivers, not passing "shutdownRequest", etc.
>
>
> On 11/6/2015 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to
>> make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to
>> get that to work.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 13:56 , Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com
>> <mailto:bornstein at designeq.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work
>> because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've
>> assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system
>> command
>> is used instead.
>>
>> It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get
>> around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX
>> standalone application?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Howard Bornstein
>>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Nov  7 15:28:38 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:28:38 -0800
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
In-Reply-To: <C294B5F8-E19D-42D6-8BD2-6CD27705EC39@appisle.net>
References: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>
	<C294B5F8-E19D-42D6-8BD2-6CD27705EC39@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <563E5EF6.4030708@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/07/2015 12:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> I had a look in the source and I don?t think it would be all that tricky to upgrade send so you can send private handlers from the same object. Send without a timer is easy as you already have a handle to the execution context which gives you a handle to the calling object. Send in time is a little tricker but not overly so. It just involves adding the calling object in a number of calls and also to the internal pending messages data structure. I guess we could add an extra caller object reference item to the pendingMessages as a result. The engine uses the same mechanism to send a lot of messages so you would need to handle the caller being nil meaning an engine message.

Very cool.
What file were you looking at? I'd love the be able to use private 
callbacks for socket commands.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From monte at appisle.net  Sat Nov  7 15:33:18 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 07:33:18 +1100
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
In-Reply-To: <563E5EF6.4030708@ahsoftware.net>
References: <563E3156.6090302@fourthworld.com>
	<C294B5F8-E19D-42D6-8BD2-6CD27705EC39@appisle.net>
	<563E5EF6.4030708@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <E432B93E-585A-4AC3-AE52-1A246D72B5CB@appisle.net>


> On 8 Nov 2015, at 7:28 am, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> Very cool.
> What file were you looking at? I'd love the be able to use private callbacks for socket commands.

I just searched for S_SEND and followed the trail. Most of the stuff that needs to be changed is in uidc.cpp and exec-engine.cpp.

From irog at mac.com  Sat Nov  7 16:01:26 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 13:01:26 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>

Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular polygon?

Thanks,

Roger

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Nov  7 15:05:49 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 13:05:49 -0700
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

It looks like this could translate to LC if you have the point locations
of your polygon:

https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/area-irregular-polygons.html


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/7/15, 2:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com> wrote:

>Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular
>polygon?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Nov  7 17:29:13 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 14:29:13 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>

Thanks very much, Scott. I do have a long points list that I would have to manipulate even before apply this technique. I?m not looking forward to that, but I may have to go this route.

Cheers,

Roger


> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks like this could translate to LC if you have the point locations
> of your polygon:
> 
> https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/area-irregular-polygons.html
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/7/15, 2:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular
>> polygon?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Roger
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Nov  7 19:09:41 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 00:09:41 +0000
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net>

Roger,

try this (I've done some minimal testing, so do please check it ...)
it assumes the polygon is closed

function getArea pPts
    if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
    put 0 into tArea
    put empty into oldL
    repeat for each line L in pPts
       if oldL is not empty then
          put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
          put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) / 2 into avgY
          put dx * avgY into thisArea
          add thisArea to tArea
       end if
       put L into oldL
    end repeat
    return abs(tArea)
end getArea

NB you could shorten it, but I left each math step separate to make it 
easier to debug / check

-- Alex.

On 07/11/2015 22:29, Roger Guay wrote:
> Thanks very much, Scott. I do have a long points list that I would have to manipulate even before apply this technique. I?m not looking forward to that, but I may have to go this route.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roger
>
>
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> It looks like this could translate to LC if you have the point locations
>> of your polygon:
>>
>> https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/area-irregular-polygons.html
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/15, 2:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
>> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular
>>> polygon?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Roger
>>> _______________________________________________
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From alex at tweedly.org  Sat Nov  7 19:43:51 2015
From: alex at tweedly.org (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 00:43:51 +0000
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>

Actually, you should shorten the maths - makes it a bit more efficient


function getArea pPts
    if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
    put 0 into tArea
    put empty into oldL
    repeat for each line L in pPts
       if oldL is not empty then
          --         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
          --         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) 
/ 2 into avgY
          --         put dx * avgY into thisArea
          --         add thisArea to tArea
          add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2 
of L) / 2 to tArea
       end if
       put L into oldL
    end repeat
    return abs(tArea)

end getArea

-- Alex.

On 08/11/2015 00:09, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Roger,
>
> try this (I've done some minimal testing, so do please check it ...)
> it assumes the polygon is closed
>
> function getArea pPts
>    if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
>    put 0 into tArea
>    put empty into oldL
>    repeat for each line L in pPts
>       if oldL is not empty then
>          put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
>          put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) / 2 into 
> avgY
>          put dx * avgY into thisArea
>          add thisArea to tArea
>       end if
>       put L into oldL
>    end repeat
>    return abs(tArea)
> end getArea
>
> NB you could shorten it, but I left each math step separate to make it 
> easier to debug / check
>
> -- Alex.
>
> On 07/11/2015 22:29, Roger Guay wrote:
>> Thanks very much, Scott. I do have a long points list that I would 
>> have to manipulate even before apply this technique. I?m not looking 
>> forward to that, but I may have to go this route.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like this could translate to LC if you have the point 
>>> locations
>>> of your polygon:
>>>
>>> https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/area-irregular-polygons.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/7/15, 2:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
>>> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular
>>>> polygon?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Roger
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From paul at researchware.com  Sat Nov  7 19:46:03 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 19:46:03 -0500
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <D15D8E91-BFF8-400A-9A7F-1D0245E7B7A1@livecode.org>
References: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>
	<D15D8E91-BFF8-400A-9A7F-1D0245E7B7A1@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <563E9B4B.2070004@researchware.com>

On 11/7/2015 1:46 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
> Yes this is the expected behaviour. Export snapshot from rect is not be able to take a snapshot of something "off-screen? because it?s not rendered by the display.
>
> Export snapshot from rect uses the device's display output to render the image, but if you use Export snapshot of an object (stack, card, group etc.), then the LC engine renders the image, so you can take a snapshot of a stack that is off-screen this way. I hope that makes sense!

Thank you.

My problem is that I am using a custom external that places content
generated by the external in to the stack window (via the windowID of
the stack that I pass to the external). If I do export snapshot of stack
xxx, the content placed in the stack window by the external is not
recognized and included in the resulting image.

We may have to have the external modified to return an optional image
that we can place on a stack for printing.



From irog at mac.com  Sat Nov  7 19:46:32 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 16:46:32 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net> <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
Message-ID: <7E82E1CF-363E-471F-8DC2-8B48E383A435@mac.com>

Beautiful, Alex. I was working on this idea myself, but your scripts is so much more elegant!

Thanks,

Roger



> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.org> wrote:
> 
> Actually, you should shorten the maths - makes it a bit more efficient
> 
> 
> function getArea pPts
>   if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
>   put 0 into tArea
>   put empty into oldL
>   repeat for each line L in pPts
>      if oldL is not empty then
>         --         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
>         --         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) / 2 into avgY
>         --         put dx * avgY into thisArea
>         --         add thisArea to tArea
>         add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2 of L) / 2 to tArea
>      end if
>      put L into oldL
>   end repeat
>   return abs(tArea)
> 
> end getArea
> 
> -- Alex.
> 
> On 08/11/2015 00:09, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> Roger,
>> 
>> try this (I've done some minimal testing, so do please check it ...)
>> it assumes the polygon is closed
>> 
>> function getArea pPts
>>   if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
>>   put 0 into tArea
>>   put empty into oldL
>>   repeat for each line L in pPts
>>      if oldL is not empty then
>>         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
>>         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) / 2 into avgY
>>         put dx * avgY into thisArea
>>         add thisArea to tArea
>>      end if
>>      put L into oldL
>>   end repeat
>>   return abs(tArea)
>> end getArea
>> 
>> NB you could shorten it, but I left each math step separate to make it easier to debug / check
>> 
>> -- Alex.
>> 
>> On 07/11/2015 22:29, Roger Guay wrote:
>>> Thanks very much, Scott. I do have a long points list that I would have to manipulate even before apply this technique. I?m not looking forward to that, but I may have to go this route.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like this could translate to LC if you have the point locations
>>>> of your polygon:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/area-irregular-polygons.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/7/15, 2:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
>>>> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular
>>>>> polygon?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 19:56:53 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 19:56:53 -0500
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <7E82E1CF-363E-471F-8DC2-8B48E383A435@mac.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net> <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
	<7E82E1CF-363E-471F-8DC2-8B48E383A435@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrUbdjOsL5OUSP6=hSiOWnQxBgpmQZBspZqf7K6PW6=WQ@mail.gmail.com>

You could speed it up a bit more and simplify a bit like so:

      put line 1 of pPts into oldL
      repeat for each line L in line 2 to -1 of pPts
         add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2 of
L) / 2 to tArea
         put L into oldL
      end repeat


On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Beautiful, Alex. I was working on this idea myself, but your scripts is so
> much more elegant!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.org> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you should shorten the maths - makes it a bit more efficient
> >
> >
> > function getArea pPts
> >   if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
> >   put 0 into tArea
> >   put empty into oldL
> >   repeat for each line L in pPts
> >      if oldL is not empty then
> >         --         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
> >         --         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) /
> 2 into avgY
> >         --         put dx * avgY into thisArea
> >         --         add thisArea to tArea
> >         add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2
> of L) / 2 to tArea
> >      end if
> >      put L into oldL
> >   end repeat
> >   return abs(tArea)
> >
> > end getArea
> >
> > -- Alex.
> >
> > On 08/11/2015 00:09, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> try this (I've done some minimal testing, so do please check it ...)
> >> it assumes the polygon is closed
> >>
> >> function getArea pPts
> >>   if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
> >>   put 0 into tArea
> >>   put empty into oldL
> >>   repeat for each line L in pPts
> >>      if oldL is not empty then
> >>         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
> >>         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL) / 2 into
> avgY
> >>         put dx * avgY into thisArea
> >>         add thisArea to tArea
> >>      end if
> >>      put L into oldL
> >>   end repeat
> >>   return abs(tArea)
> >> end getArea
> >>
> >> NB you could shorten it, but I left each math step separate to make it
> easier to debug / check
> >>
> >> -- Alex.
> >>
> >> On 07/11/2015 22:29, Roger Guay wrote:
> >>> Thanks very much, Scott. I do have a long points list that I would
> have to manipulate even before apply this technique. I?m not looking
> forward to that, but I may have to go this route.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Roger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It looks like this could translate to LC if you have the point
> locations
> >>>> of your polygon:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/area-irregular-polygons.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott Rossi
> >>>> Creative Director
> >>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/7/15, 2:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay"
> >>>> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of irog at mac.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular
> >>>>> polygon?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Nov  7 20:30:24 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 17:30:24 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrUbdjOsL5OUSP6=hSiOWnQxBgpmQZBspZqf7K6PW6=WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net> <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
	<7E82E1CF-363E-471F-8DC2-8B48E383A435@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtrUbdjOsL5OUSP6=hSiOWnQxBgpmQZBspZqf7K6PW6=WQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A482D72-8CD1-407B-96B9-FAD7AE9DDEA4@mac.com>

This is great . . . Thanks, guys!!!


> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> put line 1 of pPts into oldL
>      repeat for each line L in line 2 to -1 of pPts
>         add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2 of
> L) / 2 to tArea
>         put L into oldL
>      end repeat



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Nov  7 22:45:57 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 21:45:57 -0600
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtTYpazJpjhFY4FcvhrY-3O2yYk1vpRNtL=Ja010=uivEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAOpWwtTYpazJpjhFY4FcvhrY-3O2yYk1vpRNtL=Ja010=uivEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563EC575.2050302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/7/2015 2:23 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote:
> Do you know which system-wide shortcuts OS X traps? Cmd-H is the one I
> found (Hide Apps) and Cmd-Q (for which there is a LC solution). I'm
> wondering which other ones we might get stung on. Are you aware of a list
> of these traps?

Apple has a list here:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236>

You'll probably be able to recognize the ones that LC supports. The ones 
that are system-wide will override; for example, Cmd-M is going to 
minimize to the dock, Cmd-spacebar is going to give you Spotlight.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 22:47:41 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 22:47:41 -0500
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <3A482D72-8CD1-407B-96B9-FAD7AE9DDEA4@mac.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net> <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
	<7E82E1CF-363E-471F-8DC2-8B48E383A435@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtrUbdjOsL5OUSP6=hSiOWnQxBgpmQZBspZqf7K6PW6=WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A482D72-8CD1-407B-96B9-FAD7AE9DDEA4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtohHpdiDB9C1Gd92+D-usXjgx8JmXNx8eX-1X0MabXVsA@mail.gmail.com>

Important to note that this method of calculating the area of a polygon
will fail if the polygon crosses itself. As long as the polygon is simple,
it works.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> This is great . . . Thanks, guys!!!
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > put line 1 of pPts into oldL
> >      repeat for each line L in line 2 to -1 of pPts
> >         add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2 of
> > L) / 2 to tArea
> >         put L into oldL
> >      end repeat
>
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Nov  7 23:10:25 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 20:10:25 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtohHpdiDB9C1Gd92+D-usXjgx8JmXNx8eX-1X0MabXVsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net> <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
	<7E82E1CF-363E-471F-8DC2-8B48E383A435@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtrUbdjOsL5OUSP6=hSiOWnQxBgpmQZBspZqf7K6PW6=WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A482D72-8CD1-407B-96B9-FAD7AE9DDEA4@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtohHpdiDB9C1Gd92+D-usXjgx8JmXNx8eX-1X0MabXVsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65926C18-1381-443A-BB4D-60899F40F36E@mac.com>

Thanks, Geoff . . . I understand.  Fortunately for me in my current quest, it?s not a problem.



> On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:47 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Important to note that this method of calculating the area of a polygon
> will fail if the polygon crosses itself. As long as the polygon is simple,
> it works.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is great . . . Thanks, guys!!!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> put line 1 of pPts into oldL
>>>     repeat for each line L in line 2 to -1 of pPts
>>>        add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2 of
>>> L) / 2 to tArea
>>>        put L into oldL
>>>     end repeat
>> 
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From paul at livecode.org  Sat Nov  7 23:59:45 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 20:59:45 -0800
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <563E9B4B.2070004@researchware.com>
References: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>
	<D15D8E91-BFF8-400A-9A7F-1D0245E7B7A1@livecode.org>
	<563E9B4B.2070004@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <30FBBDB6-4D8F-466E-9C49-11C66DF38F5B@livecode.org>


> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:
> 
> On 11/7/2015 1:46 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
>> Yes this is the expected behaviour. Export snapshot from rect is not be able to take a snapshot of something "off-screen? because it?s not rendered by the display.
>> 
>> Export snapshot from rect uses the device's display output to render the image, but if you use Export snapshot of an object (stack, card, group etc.), then the LC engine renders the image, so you can take a snapshot of a stack that is off-screen this way. I hope that makes sense!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> My problem is that I am using a custom external that places content
> generated by the external in to the stack window (via the windowID of
> the stack that I pass to the external). If I do export snapshot of stack
> xxx, the content placed in the stack window by the external is not
> recognized and included in the resulting image.
> 
> We may have to have the external modified to return an optional image
> that we can place on a stack for printing.

That does sound like a more complex problem. Modifying the external sounds like the best option, unless anybody else has any tricks.

Paul


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Nov  8 02:05:51 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 01:05:51 -0600
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <30FBBDB6-4D8F-466E-9C49-11C66DF38F5B@livecode.org>
References: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>
	<D15D8E91-BFF8-400A-9A7F-1D0245E7B7A1@livecode.org>
	<563E9B4B.2070004@researchware.com>
	<30FBBDB6-4D8F-466E-9C49-11C66DF38F5B@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <563EF44F.4010909@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/7/2015 10:59 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/7/2015 1:46 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
>>> Yes this is the expected behaviour. Export snapshot from rect is
>>> not be able to take a snapshot of something "off-screen? because
>>> it?s not rendered by the display.
>>>
>>> Export snapshot from rect uses the device's display output to
>>> render the image, but if you use Export snapshot of an object
>>> (stack, card, group etc.), then the LC engine renders the image,
>>> so you can take a snapshot of a stack that is off-screen this
>>> way. I hope that makes sense!
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> My problem is that I am using a custom external that places
>> content generated by the external in to the stack window (via the
>> windowID of the stack that I pass to the external). If I do export
>> snapshot of stack xxx, the content placed in the stack window by
>> the external is not recognized and included in the resulting
>> image.
>>
>> We may have to have the external modified to return an optional
>> image that we can place on a stack for printing.
>
> That does sound like a more complex problem. Modifying the external
> sounds like the best option, unless anybody else has any tricks.

I wonder if it would be possible to pass the window ID of a hidden stack?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 03:25:30 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:25:30 +0200
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <30FBBDB6-4D8F-466E-9C49-11C66DF38F5B@livecode.org>
References: <563E3FB6.4020007@researchware.com>
	<D15D8E91-BFF8-400A-9A7F-1D0245E7B7A1@livecode.org>
	<563E9B4B.2070004@researchware.com>
	<30FBBDB6-4D8F-466E-9C49-11C66DF38F5B@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <563F06FA.6010001@gmail.com>

On 08/11/15 06:59, Paul Hibbert wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/7/2015 1:46 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
>>> Yes this is the expected behaviour. Export snapshot from rect is not be able to take a snapshot of something "off-screen? because it?s not rendered by the display.
>>>
>>> Export snapshot from rect uses the device's display output to render the image, but if you use Export snapshot of an object (stack, card, group etc.), then the LC engine renders the image, so you can take a snapshot of a stack that is off-screen this way. I hope that makes sense!
>> Thank you.
>>
>> My problem is that I am using a custom external that places content
>> generated by the external in to the stack window (via the windowID of
>> the stack that I pass to the external). If I do export snapshot of stack
>> xxx, the content placed in the stack window by the external is not
>> recognized and included in the resulting image.
>>
>> We may have to have the external modified to return an optional image
>> that we can place on a stack for printing.
> That does sound like a more complex problem. Modifying the external sounds like the best option, unless anybody else has any tricks.
>
> Paul
>

This sounds very odd as, surely, EXPORT SNAPSHOT exports a snapshot of 
*/whatever/* is inwith the*rect* or *object* defined.

I wonder if, instead of doing /export snapshot from stack xxx/ you might 
not be better doing /export snapshot from card zzz/: my experience
of doing the thing from the stack has not been altogether satisfactory . 
. . Oops . . .  haven't tried that since DreamCard 2.6 (remember
that???): just tried /export snapshot from stack xxx/ and it "threw a 
bluey", so I don't know what you are doing.

However, /export snapshot from card zzz/ does a perfectly respectable job.

When moved off screen:

on mouseUp
    set the moveSpeed to 65000
    move stack "splat" to -400, -400
    wait 10 ticks
    export snapshot from card id 1002 of stack "splat" to file 
"splatCARDoffScreen.png" as PNG
    wait 10 ticks
    move stack "splat" to 400, 400
end mouseUp

it does just as good a job as on screen.

Here it all is, complete with pretty pictures and my test stack:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25812

Richmond.



From hh at livecode.org  Sun Nov  8 06:38:37 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 12:38:37 +0100
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
Message-ID: <B1939B13-E661-4701-9A61-714766D1E48F@livecode.org>

> Roger Guay wrote:
> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular polygon?

This goes nearly one-to-one into LC scripts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Area_and_centroid

There are also considerations for self-intersecting polygons.

=====
I donated to Wikipedia.


From hh at livecode.org  Sun Nov  8 06:57:39 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 12:57:39 +0100
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
Message-ID: <20260375-710E-46E3-8F7E-F4FC832833D8@livecode.org>

RG wrote:
> Inelegant, but this seems to at least block outside callers:
> 
> on SomeTimer
>     put item 1 of line -2 of the executionContexts into tCaller
>     if (tCaller is not empty) AND (tCaller <> the long id of me) then
>        exit SomeTimer
>     end if
>     --
>     DoSomething
>     send "SomeTimer" to me in 500 millisecs
> end SomeTimer

The empty tCaller will create problems.

What's wrong with this consideration?
A message is "private" with respect to "me", if the *TOP* of the message stack is me:

It works for me to have true
     (the long id of me is item 1 of the executionContexts)
for such a 'private' timer construct.




From james at thehales.id.au  Sun Nov  8 07:27:47 2015
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 23:27:47 +1100
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
Message-ID: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>

Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing these five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be advantages to me in making this transition?
So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
Is it having a single card script?
Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
Is it...?
I would be very interested in your thoughts.

James


From paul at researchware.com  Sun Nov  8 08:02:19 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 08:02:19 -0500
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
In-Reply-To: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
References: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
Message-ID: <563F47DB.3050606@researchware.com>

On 11/8/2015 7:27 AM, James Hale wrote:
> Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
> I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing these five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
> Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be advantages to me in making this transition?
> So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
> Is it having a single card script?
> Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
> Is it...?
> I would be very interested in your thoughts.
>

I use a single card and multiple groups when the majority of the UI is
(or will be) the same - i.e there would be a lot of common controls on
different cards

I use multiple cards when the UI for each card is substantially different.

So it is basically a linear scale with tabbed groups being on one end
where there a lot of common UI elements and tabbed cards being on the
other end with little common UI elements. Where the dividing line is is
probably a matter of personal preference. Organization of handlers plays
a role in the choice as well. Recently, I have been leaning more towards
multiple groups as I find accessing the objects and scripts in the IDE
via the Application Browser a bit easier.



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 09:33:27 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 09:33:27 -0500
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
In-Reply-To: <563F47DB.3050606@researchware.com>
References: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
	<563F47DB.3050606@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <FF63361E-1446-4048-8DB1-8CAD1D62E4F1@gmail.com>

On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

> On 11/8/2015 7:27 AM, James Hale wrote:
>> Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
>> I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing these five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
>> Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be advantages to me in making this transition?
>> So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
>> Is it having a single card script?
>> Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
>> Is it...?
>> I would be very interested in your thoughts.
>> 
> 
> I use a single card and multiple groups when the majority of the UI is
> (or will be) the same - i.e there would be a lot of common controls on
> different cards
> 
> I use multiple cards when the UI for each card is substantially different.
> 
> So it is basically a linear scale with tabbed groups being on one end
> where there a lot of common UI elements and tabbed cards being on the
> other end with little common UI elements. Where the dividing line is is
> probably a matter of personal preference. Organization of handlers plays
> a role in the choice as well. Recently, I have been leaning more towards
> multiple groups as I find accessing the objects and scripts in the IDE
> via the Application Browser a bit easier.

I do the same. If you go with the multiple groups/one card solution, an easy way of managing the clicks in the tab button is something like this:

on showGroup tGroup
   put "group1,group2,group3,group4" into gpList
   repeat for each item i in gpList
      set the visible of group i to (i = tGroup)
   end repeat
end showGroup

and if the group names are the same as the tab labels, it's quite straightforward:

on menuPick pItemName
   showGroup pItemName
end menuPick

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Nov  8 10:37:00 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 07:37:00 -0800
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
In-Reply-To: <FF63361E-1446-4048-8DB1-8CAD1D62E4F1@gmail.com>
References: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
	<563F47DB.3050606@researchware.com>
	<FF63361E-1446-4048-8DB1-8CAD1D62E4F1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE3F89DC-884D-4EB6-9DA7-D27DA2A52D73@earthednet.org>

I've recently started doing this also, for a student/instructor login system. Depending on who is logging in, some of the input fields and buttons are different, and there may be multiple steps to the login and registration process. The main complication is that some buttons and fields need to be in different places in each group. Rather than write code to reposition them, I use controls with the same name, but in different locations in groups. The name of a field is important, as it corresponds to a field name on a remote database. This means I have to do some extra coding to make sure I get the field (which may have the same name as another field in another group) that is in the group that's showing when I get or set its contents. Ultimately, I'm hoping this makes the interaction between text fields and my MySQL db pretty seamless.

Anyway, I think this makes the organization nicer. I could probably simplify it if I used custom properties, though. Hmmmm... Many paths to nirvana.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:33 AM, "Peter M. Brigham" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/8/2015 7:27 AM, James Hale wrote:
>>> Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
>>> I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing these five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
>>> Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be advantages to me in making this transition?
>>> So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
>>> Is it having a single card script?
>>> Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
>>> Is it...?
>>> I would be very interested in your thoughts.
>> 
>> I use a single card and multiple groups when the majority of the UI is
>> (or will be) the same - i.e there would be a lot of common controls on
>> different cards
>> 
>> I use multiple cards when the UI for each card is substantially different.
>> 
>> So it is basically a linear scale with tabbed groups being on one end
>> where there a lot of common UI elements and tabbed cards being on the
>> other end with little common UI elements. Where the dividing line is is
>> probably a matter of personal preference. Organization of handlers plays
>> a role in the choice as well. Recently, I have been leaning more towards
>> multiple groups as I find accessing the objects and scripts in the IDE
>> via the Application Browser a bit easier.
> 
> I do the same. If you go with the multiple groups/one card solution, an easy way of managing the clicks in the tab button is something like this:
> 
> on showGroup tGroup
>   put "group1,group2,group3,group4" into gpList
>   repeat for each item i in gpList
>      set the visible of group i to (i = tGroup)
>   end repeat
> end showGroup
> 
> and if the group names are the same as the tab labels, it's quite straightforward:
> 
> on menuPick pItemName
>   showGroup pItemName
> end menuPick
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> 
> 
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov  8 12:13:30 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 12:13:30 -0500
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
In-Reply-To: <EE3F89DC-884D-4EB6-9DA7-D27DA2A52D73@earthednet.org>
References: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
	<563F47DB.3050606@researchware.com>
	<FF63361E-1446-4048-8DB1-8CAD1D62E4F1@gmail.com>
	<EE3F89DC-884D-4EB6-9DA7-D27DA2A52D73@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNNJY+cGXEXD2maB9537Xc31i5k7SAKnv9_z0PCAsV6uQ@mail.gmail.com>

I go completely the other way.  I've frequently thought about the many
groups one card method, but I like the mechanics of dealing with the
controls better when I have them over multiple cards (not to mention it's
easier to keep it all straight in my brane).  The only time I have multiple
groups on a card that I show and hide is when I have subcontrols specific
to a particular control that I want to bring up.  For example, I have a
barcode scanner and its related controls on an inventory detail card.

Generally, unless the vast majority of controls are going to remain in
place, I use a different card.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org>
wrote:

> I've recently started doing this also, for a student/instructor login
> system. Depending on who is logging in, some of the input fields and
> buttons are different, and there may be multiple steps to the login and
> registration process. The main complication is that some buttons and fields
> need to be in different places in each group. Rather than write code to
> reposition them, I use controls with the same name, but in different
> locations in groups. The name of a field is important, as it corresponds to
> a field name on a remote database. This means I have to do some extra
> coding to make sure I get the field (which may have the same name as
> another field in another group) that is in the group that's showing when I
> get or set its contents. Ultimately, I'm hoping this makes the interaction
> between text fields and my MySQL db pretty seamless.
>
> Anyway, I think this makes the organization nicer. I could probably
> simplify it if I used custom properties, though. Hmmmm... Many paths to
> nirvana.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:33 AM, "Peter M. Brigham" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/8/2015 7:27 AM, James Hale wrote:
> >>> Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups
> with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control
> with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned
> all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their
> area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply
> variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
> >>> I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing
> these five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
> >>> Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be
> advantages to me in making this transition?
> >>> So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
> >>> Is it having a single card script?
> >>> Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
> >>> Is it...?
> >>> I would be very interested in your thoughts.
> >>
> >> I use a single card and multiple groups when the majority of the UI is
> >> (or will be) the same - i.e there would be a lot of common controls on
> >> different cards
> >>
> >> I use multiple cards when the UI for each card is substantially
> different.
> >>
> >> So it is basically a linear scale with tabbed groups being on one end
> >> where there a lot of common UI elements and tabbed cards being on the
> >> other end with little common UI elements. Where the dividing line is is
> >> probably a matter of personal preference. Organization of handlers plays
> >> a role in the choice as well. Recently, I have been leaning more towards
> >> multiple groups as I find accessing the objects and scripts in the IDE
> >> via the Application Browser a bit easier.
> >
> > I do the same. If you go with the multiple groups/one card solution, an
> easy way of managing the clicks in the tab button is something like this:
> >
> > on showGroup tGroup
> >   put "group1,group2,group3,group4" into gpList
> >   repeat for each item i in gpList
> >      set the visible of group i to (i = tGroup)
> >   end repeat
> > end showGroup
> >
> > and if the group names are the same as the tab labels, it's quite
> straightforward:
> >
> > on menuPick pItemName
> >   showGroup pItemName
> > end menuPick
> >
> > -- Peter
> >
> > Peter M. Brigham
> > pmbrig at gmail.com
> > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> >
> >
> >
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 12:37:54 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 09:37:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
	is Up
In-Reply-To: <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami,

I installed this App in my tablet and yesterday 
was reading the most recent Magazine.
Still pending to download another. 

Later today, I will check all the features
that you wrote about.

Many Thanks for sharing this in the mail list.
Keep Up this great work! 

Al



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From bornstein at designeq.com  Sun Nov  8 13:37:22 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:37:22 -0800
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <563EC575.2050302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAOpWwtTYpazJpjhFY4FcvhrY-3O2yYk1vpRNtL=Ja010=uivEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563EC575.2050302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtRO0t2GDX1BiTMie28hvY=Vj6F-W95dheFA_fEuTbC_Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jacq,

This is helpful.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 11/7/2015 2:23 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote:
>
>> Do you know which system-wide shortcuts OS X traps? Cmd-H is the one I
>> found (Hide Apps) and Cmd-Q (for which there is a LC solution). I'm
>> wondering which other ones we might get stung on. Are you aware of a list
>> of these traps?
>>
>
> Apple has a list here:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236>
>
> You'll probably be able to recognize the ones that LC supports. The ones
> that are system-wide will override; for example, Cmd-M is going to minimize
> to the dock, Cmd-spacebar is going to give you Spotlight.
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Nov  8 14:11:20 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 13:11:20 -0600
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is
	Up
In-Reply-To: <1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
	<1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <563F9E58.90009@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/8/2015 11:37 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami,
>
> I installed this App in my tablet and yesterday
> was reading the most recent Magazine.
> Still pending to download another.

If you're reading magazines it isn't the new app. The one that was just 
released is called "Gurudeva".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Nov  8 14:47:31 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 09:47:31 -1000
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
	is Up
In-Reply-To: <1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
	<1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <563FA6D3.2050205@hindu.org>

@ alejandro:

The app I was talking about is "Gurudeva.app" which is available right 
now only on play.google.com... that's the one that was developed 100% in 
LiveCode

That app you downloaded was Hinduism Today. It was developed under 
contract by Quad Graphic our printer... the actual app developer is Yudu 
in UK.. they use Adobe Air for this app. It ability to take PDF and 
display PDF with high res views as you zoom in is awesome -- and would 
be a huge plus for Livecode if it could also do that -- in fact the 
whole development process with Quad/Yudu was quite "painful" .

Their framework was highly inflexible, any custom changes required 
another big $ amt and they could not even do simple things like change 
the look of a button on the home page. Things we could do in LiveCode in 
30 minutes of fixes or add-enhancement time, they would come back to me 
with either "That's a custom change that you have to pay for" OR  "No we 
can't do that, because the framework is not set up to do that...."

Over and over again, my bug reports & change requests to the UI would be 
only 85% implemented and the developer on the other end did something 
really stupid... it became a running joke here that Yudu must have hired 
a 15-year kid to develop the app. I spent more time in communications, 
updating the spec on a google doc and drafting bug reports during the 
alpha process that I would have ever expected...I'm thinking "OK this is 
what you get if you hire out app development... you are *still* 
completely engaged timewise....and you are also paying them to take up 
all your time! ouch"

So when we decided to do an app for this year's celebration of our 
founder's passing... I said "Let me build it in LiveCode. We need to be 
on control of the "front end" dev... and it won't take us any more time 
than if we hire it it out and my prices are really good (zero cost) I  
can find LC Developers who way, way more competent than the people we 
ahve been dealing with."

I think everyone was both delighted and surprised that we actually did 
it so smoothly and well. And Jacque took it the extra mile with 
optimizing my "baby xTalk" way of doing coding and doubling down on the 
Android issues...

I'm in the process of completing the Apple App Store submission 
process... I just have a few more screen shots I did not realize they 
required... then I can submit for review... Thanks the online video of 
how to do this by the LC team, it went better than I thought it would.

Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami,
>
> I installed this App in my tablet andyesterday
> was reading the most recent Magazine.
> Still pending to download another.
>
> Latertoday,  I will check all the features
> that you wrote about.
>
> Many Thanks for sharing this in the mail list.
> Keep Up this great work!
>
> Al





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 15:04:45 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 22:04:45 +0200
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
Message-ID: <563FAADD.7080506@gmail.com>

It seems that my password expires about every 6-12 hours; is that right?

Richmond.



From monte at appisle.net  Sun Nov  8 15:09:34 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 07:09:34 +1100
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <563FAADD.7080506@gmail.com>
References: <563FAADD.7080506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EAD2A5A-2DC5-4159-A47C-C11EED2E39F5@appisle.net>


> On 9 Nov 2015, at 7:04 am, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It seems that my password expires about every 6-12 hours; is that right?

Hmm? I don?t think mine has ever expired...

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Nov  8 15:43:40 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 12:43:40 -0800
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
In-Reply-To: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
References: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
Message-ID: <D264F2D4.7165D%scott@tactilemedia.com>

In addition to what others have said, another issue can develop with
multiple groups on a single card when you have to work with the groups
visually.  Having dozens (hundreds) of controls present can sometimes make
editing challenging.  Placing the tabbed groups across multiple cards
encapsulates them nicely.  But this might be more of an extreme case than
yours.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/8/15, 4:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of James Hale"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of james at thehales.id.au>
wrote:

>Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups
>with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control
>with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned
>all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their
>area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply
>variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
>I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing these
>five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
>Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be
>advantages to me in making this transition?
>So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
>Is it having a single card script?
>Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
>Is it...?
>I would be very interested in your thoughts.
>
>James
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov  8 15:39:25 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:39:25 -0500
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <1EAD2A5A-2DC5-4159-A47C-C11EED2E39F5@appisle.net>
References: <563FAADD.7080506@gmail.com>
	<1EAD2A5A-2DC5-4159-A47C-C11EED2E39F5@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM3U9bBgjXXasxLeN7s0SU4AgLwGPuxQEVtSzGbxJJzQw@mail.gmail.com>

nope.  no expiry

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at appisle.net> wrote:

>
> > On 9 Nov 2015, at 7:04 am, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It seems that my password expires about every 6-12 hours; is that right?
>
> Hmm? I don?t think mine has ever expired...
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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And God said, "This is good."


From irog at mac.com  Sun Nov  8 16:13:11 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 13:13:11 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <B1939B13-E661-4701-9A61-714766D1E48F@livecode.org>
References: <B1939B13-E661-4701-9A61-714766D1E48F@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <66B2FE27-A3C9-4630-84A2-BBCDD527E5A8@mac.com>

Thank you. I just might work on this?.


> On Nov 8, 2015, at 3:38 AM, [-hh] <hh at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
>> Roger Guay wrote:
>> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular polygon?
> 
> This goes nearly one-to-one into LC scripts:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Area_and_centroid
> 
> There are also considerations for self-intersecting polygons.
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Nov  8 16:33:26 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 13:33:26 -0800
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <563FAADD.7080506@gmail.com>
References: <563FAADD.7080506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563FBFA6.9070502@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> It seems that my password expires about every 6-12 hours; is that right?

When you log into BZ there's a checkbox before the name/password fields 
which is set by default:

   Restrict this session to this IP address (using this option
   improves security)

If you turn that off before logging in you may find it keeps you logged 
in longer.

-- 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Nov  8 16:39:42 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 13:39:42 -0800
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <563F06FA.6010001@gmail.com>
References: <563F06FA.6010001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563FC11E.7000109@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> I wonder if, instead of doing /export snapshot from stack xxx/ you might
> not be better doing /export snapshot from card zzz/: my experience
> of doing the thing from the stack has not been altogether satisfactory .
> . . Oops . . .  haven't tried that since DreamCard 2.6 (remember
> that???): just tried /export snapshot from stack xxx/ and it "threw a
> bluey", so I don't know what you are doing.
>
> However, /export snapshot from card zzz/ does a perfectly respectable job.

Exporting a rect grabs the specified portion of the screen buffer, which 
will also include anything an external blitted to the window but of 
course is limited to the screen bounds.

Exporting an object will cause the object (and if it's a group or a card 
any interior objects) to be rendered into a new buffer, which will work 
regardless of where the source object is located (even off screen), but 
what an external may paint over the card isn't an object per se so LC's 
rendering engine has no way to create that when it generates into its 
buffer.

If the external could be modified to use an image object as its output 
you'd have all sorts of flexibility for handling it.

-- 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Nov  8 16:52:17 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 11:52:17 -1000
Subject: How to determine someone has finished scrolling a field
Message-ID: <563FC411.5050201@hindu.org>

OLD question.

What is the algorithm for determining if someone has scrolled all the 
way to the end of the text of a field with overflow text?

Another way to say this is: what is the relationship to the vScroll and 
formattedHeight?

I'm testing with this

where the factor "195" is somehow related to the field height
(which is 178 px high plus the some value related to the lineheight or 
font size)

But this seems to work...

function checkScrollDone
    put the formattedHeight of fld "quote" into tTextHeight
    put the vScroll of fld "quote" into tVscroll
     put tTextHeight - tVscroll into tBalanceToScroll
  put tBalanceToScroll
    if tBalanceToScroll < 195 then
         return   "true"
    else
       return  "false"
     end if
end checkScrollDone


BR



From paul at researchware.com  Sun Nov  8 17:20:04 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 17:20:04 -0500
Subject: Export snapshot question...
In-Reply-To: <563FC11E.7000109@fourthworld.com>
References: <563F06FA.6010001@gmail.com> <563FC11E.7000109@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <563FCA94.6030603@researchware.com>

On 11/8/2015 4:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
>> I wonder if, instead of doing /export snapshot from stack xxx/ you might
>> not be better doing /export snapshot from card zzz/: my experience
>> of doing the thing from the stack has not been altogether satisfactory .
>> . . Oops . . .  haven't tried that since DreamCard 2.6 (remember
>> that???): just tried /export snapshot from stack xxx/ and it "threw a
>> bluey", so I don't know what you are doing.
>>
>> However, /export snapshot from card zzz/ does a perfectly respectable
>> job.
>
> Exporting a rect grabs the specified portion of the screen buffer,
> which will also include anything an external blitted to the window but
> of course is limited to the screen bounds.
>
> Exporting an object will cause the object (and if it's a group or a
> card any interior objects) to be rendered into a new buffer, which
> will work regardless of where the source object is located (even off
> screen), but what an external may paint over the card isn't an object
> per se so LC's rendering engine has no way to create that when it
> generates into its buffer.

Unfortunately, this also is true.

export snapshot from rect tRect to image tImage as PNG
export snapshot from rect tRect of window tWindowID to image tImage as PNG
export snapshot from window tWindowID to image tImage as PNG

all are effectively the same. They capture the output of the External in
the window, including a certain amount of the window that may be "off
screen" below the bottom. But if any of the window is off the top of the
screen or after some small buffer below the bottom of my screen - every
thing outside of the screen buffer fails to be captured in the export.

export snapshot from this card of stack tStack to image tImage as PNG
export snapshot from rect tRect of this card of stack tStack to image
tImage as PNG

also both work the same in that NONE of the content rendered by the
External is captured.

>
> If the external could be modified to use an image object as its output
> you'd have all sorts of flexibility for handling it.
>
Very true, and so this is now the plan to add image support to the external.
FYI Richard, this is the long-in-the-works PDF external, which is
finally turning out to be pretty slick. Recently migrated from Foxit's
overpriced PDF SDK to Google's open source PDFium, eliminating Foxit
licensing costs and royalty fees.




From simplsol at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 19:01:12 2015
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:01:12 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khwHxbrpwvkaaT3pvegj1fnOJ-AJQnWf0Dkb_T3W4APXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE507FDD-C2E1-43D6-BAC5-F6A1584F73D4@aol.com>
	<CAGASioMUtBevPwTxmxaL+M-=W5_Ra5Z9k-8r18TO_jswfr=_Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com>
	<CA+uh5khwHxbrpwvkaaT3pvegj1fnOJ-AJQnWf0Dkb_T3W4APXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59F946A5-3590-4B68-98A1-3CE9B851974C@aol.com>

Kay,

I do mention the different ways different OSes handle the CR/LF/CRLF. Going further than that is definitely beyond the scope of the work - and, to be honest, beyond my ability.

I can see where Unicode (non-ASCII characters) would be important to users of non-Roman languages (BTW, one of my favorite professors was James Heisig, SVD who wrote the series of books ?Remembering Kanji?, volumes 1 to 3). I firmly believe that a database should contain as little ?formatting" as possible - its purpose is to contain ?data?. For our very much ?Western?/?Roman? data we need nothing beyond ASCII - with only three formatting characters. There is no intrinsic reason that a text-file could not support Unicode data - but, for our use, that would make it much larger: slower to open, slower to search, slower to save, slower to copy, etc. 

I will release the current work under a Creative Commons license - so wiser and more knowledgeable people can edit and add to it. Your suggestion would be a nice addition.

Chapter XVIII in the current work will be ?Using Sockets to communicate with Text Files?.

Paul Looney




> On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot
>> to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings):
>> 
>> Paul,
> 
> I don't wish to 'add the straw' on what clearly is a very large
> undertaking, but from a recent thread here I would suggest a topic on
> unicode and char sets. For anyone new to DBs, not just LC + DBs,
> understanding what char set an old DB is using, or what char set to create
> a new DB in and how to handle all the situations in between is a hurdle
> that has to be crossed particularly if their intended stack is to be
> cross-platform. Maybe:
> 
> XVIII. Handling Cross-Platform and non-ASCII characters
> 
> Good luck and look forward to it's completion.
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 19:14:48 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:14:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
	is Up
In-Reply-To: <563FA6D3.2050205@hindu.org>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
	<1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563FA6D3.2050205@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1447028088184-4698617.post@n4.nabble.com>

Google Play tells me that my device is not
compatible (PMID800 Android 4.0.3) 

Does it uses special features of more recent
Android versions?

Al






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From paul at livecode.org  Sun Nov  8 19:56:50 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:56:50 -0800
Subject: How to determine someone has finished scrolling a field
In-Reply-To: <563FC411.5050201@hindu.org>
References: <563FC411.5050201@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <D1E1715E-7BF4-4B75-AF0D-A2BF6227B280@livecode.org>

This seems to work OK as far as I can see?

## In the field script
on scrollBarDrag
   put (the formattedHeight of me) - ((the vScroll of me) + (the height of me)) <= 6
   ## = true when you reach the end of the vertical scroll
end scrollBarDrag

I think 6 is relative to the minimum scroll thumb size, but I may be wrong.

I tried different fonts/sizes, margins, textHeight, field sizes etc. and it seems to be reliable with the limited testing I did.

Not a big problem, but I did discover one slight anomaly, I saw a difference of 1 pixel in the maximum vScroll between dragging the scroll thumb using the mouse button as opposed to using the mouse scroll wheel, so a little tolerance may help.

Paul

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:
> 
> OLD question.
> 
> What is the algorithm for determining if someone has scrolled all the way to the end of the text of a field with overflow text?
> 
> Another way to say this is: what is the relationship to the vScroll and formattedHeight?
> 
> I'm testing with this
> 
> where the factor "195" is somehow related to the field height
> (which is 178 px high plus the some value related to the lineheight or font size)
> 
> But this seems to work...
> 
> function checkScrollDone
>   put the formattedHeight of fld "quote" into tTextHeight
>   put the vScroll of fld "quote" into tVscroll
>    put tTextHeight - tVscroll into tBalanceToScroll
> put tBalanceToScroll
>   if tBalanceToScroll < 195 then
>        return   "true"
>   else
>      return  "false"
>    end if
> end checkScrollDone
> 
> 
> BR
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Nov  8 20:07:44 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 02:07:44 +0100
Subject: How to determine someone has finished scrolling a field
In-Reply-To: <563FC411.5050201@hindu.org>
References: <563FC411.5050201@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <563FF1E0.7000203@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi BR,

Comparing the vScroll and textHeight can be tricky. This handler avoids 
using the textHeight and vScroll:

getprop extScrollFinished
    put the long id of the target into myTarget
    if the number of items of the margins of the target is 4 then
       put the last item of the margins of the target into myMargin
    else
       put (the margins of myTarget) / 2 into myMargin
    end if
    put the formattedRect of char 1 to -1 of myTarget into myRect
    return not ((the last item of myRect) + myMargin > the bottom of 
myTarget)
end extScrollFinished

The handler checks that the position of the last character is within the 
visible area of the field. If this is true, then the user must have 
scrolled far enough to have read the entire text. I don't know if this 
also means that the user can't scroll any further, but this should be 
sufficient for your purpose.


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Op 11/8/2015 om 22:52 schreef Brahmanathaswami:
> OLD question.
>
> What is the algorithm for determining if someone has scrolled all the
> way to the end of the text of a field with overflow text?
>
> Another way to say this is: what is the relationship to the vScroll and
> formattedHeight?
>
> I'm testing with this
>
> where the factor "195" is somehow related to the field height
> (which is 178 px high plus the some value related to the lineheight or
> font size)
>
> But this seems to work...
>
> function checkScrollDone
>     put the formattedHeight of fld "quote" into tTextHeight
>     put the vScroll of fld "quote" into tVscroll
>      put tTextHeight - tVscroll into tBalanceToScroll
>   put tBalanceToScroll
>     if tBalanceToScroll < 195 then
>          return   "true"
>     else
>        return  "false"
>      end if
> end checkScrollDone
>
>
> BR
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Nov  8 20:34:01 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:34:01 -0600
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is
	Up
In-Reply-To: <1447028088184-4698617.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
	<1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com> <563FA6D3.2050205@hindu.org>
	<1447028088184-4698617.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <563FF809.7090204@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/8/2015 6:14 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Google Play tells me that my device is not
> compatible (PMID800 Android 4.0.3)
>
> Does it uses special features of more recent
> Android versions?

Nothing special, it only requires internet access and Android 3.0 or 
higher. Your device should work, but it doesn't look like the Play Store 
supports it, at least it isn't in the PDF info here:

<https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/1727131>

Are you able to download other apps from the Play Store? I think you 
must have, since you were using the Hinduism Today app, so I'm not sure 
why it won't let you download Gurudeva.

Maybe Swami could put a copy on their server for download, so those 
without Play Store access could get it.

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From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 21:57:10 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 21:57:10 -0500
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycM3U9bBgjXXasxLeN7s0SU4AgLwGPuxQEVtSzGbxJJzQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <150ea2d0453-6301-64a0@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>

Nor mine.


Craig



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From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?


nope.  no expiry

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Monte Goulding
<monte at appisle.net> wrote:

>
> > On 9 Nov 2015, at 7:04 am, Richmond
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It seems that my password expires
about every 6-12 hours; is that right?
>
> Hmm? I don?t think mine has ever
expired...
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Nov  8 22:43:29 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 21:43:29 -0600
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <150ea2d0453-6301-64a0@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>
References: <150ea2d0453-6301-64a0@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <56401661.5040308@hyperactivesw.com>

I was just asked for a login tonight after not needing one since I 
created the account some years ago. I think something has changed.

On 11/8/2015 8:57 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Nor mine.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 3:47 pm
> Subject: Re: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
>
>
> nope.  no expiry
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at appisle.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 9 Nov 2015, at 7:04 am, Richmond
> <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems that my password expires
> about every 6-12 hours; is that right?
>>
>> Hmm? I don?t think mine has ever
> expired...
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 00:06:20 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 00:06:20 -0500
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <56401661.5040308@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <150eaa345c8-6301-6768@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>

Yep.


I just tried to log in to QCC. I had to reset the password. I was able to use the same one...



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From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?


I was just asked for a login tonight after not needing one since I 
created the
account some years ago. I think something has changed.

On 11/8/2015 8:57 PM,
dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Nor mine.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> To: How to use
LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 3:47 pm
>
Subject: Re: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
>
>
> nope.  no
expiry
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at appisle.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 9 Nov 2015, at 7:04 am, Richmond
>
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems that my password expires
>
about every 6-12 hours; is that right?
>>
>> Hmm? I don?t think mine has ever
>
expired...
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Mon Nov  9 02:50:08 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 07:50:08 +0000
Subject: How volatile are passwords for the LC QCC?
In-Reply-To: <56401661.5040308@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <150ea2d0453-6301-64a0@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>
	<56401661.5040308@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <56405030.9070707@livecode.com>

On 09/11/2015 03:43, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I was just asked for a login tonight after not needing one since I
> created the account some years ago. I think something has changed.
>

Yes! The bug tracker URL has changed to http://quality.livecode.com/, 
which meant that your cookies for quality.runrev.com were no longer 
being sent by your browser.

                                      Peter

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From gmcrev at tpg.com.au  Mon Nov  9 04:03:40 2015
From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 01:03:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
In-Reply-To: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>

The stack has been updated to include a library for calling the now
officially released Dropbox API v2.
The library of dropbox calls are in the card script.
OAuth and error checking are yet to be added.
The (beta) API calls added this week by dropbox are included in the library,
but they don;t all have working examples added yet. 



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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Mon Nov  9 05:18:43 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:18:43 +0000
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net> <563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org>
Message-ID: <56407303.3030105@livecode.com>

On 08/11/2015 00:43, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Actually, you should shorten the maths - makes it a bit more efficient
>
>
> function getArea pPts
>     if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
>     put 0 into tArea
>     put empty into oldL
>     repeat for each line L in pPts
>        if oldL is not empty then
>           --         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
>           --         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL)
> / 2 into avgY
>           --         put dx * avgY into thisArea
>           --         add thisArea to tArea
>           add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2
> of L) / 2 to tArea
>        end if
>        put L into oldL
>     end repeat
>     return abs(tArea)
>
> end getArea

Hi Alex,

It seems to me that this algorithm assumes that the polygon is convex, 
and it will add area that should be subtracted if the polygon isn't 
convex.  Am I correct?  Is there any way to include a test for convexity?

                                  Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode



From peter.brett at livecode.com  Mon Nov  9 05:43:33 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:43:33 +0000
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 8
Message-ID: <564078D5.4060500@livecode.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source 
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

     Read issue #8 here: https://goo.gl/uL0SHg


This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been 
going on in and around the open source project.  New issues will be 
released weekly on Mondays.  We have a dedicated mailing list that will 
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion 
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.

                                      Peter


-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Nov  9 06:57:29 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:57:29 +0000
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <56407303.3030105@livecode.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<D263A73E.7160F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<35E3C70C-0DAB-4D88-973E-A214AB1830D1@mac.com>
	<563E92C5.5050308@tweedly.net>
	<563E9AC7.7000304@tweedly.org> <56407303.3030105@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <56408A29.1030602@tweedly.net>

Hi Peter,

No, it doesn't assume convexity - what it does assume is 
non-self-overlapping, (loosely aka non-self-intersecting).

A simple but non-convex shape, like (excuse the lack of line-drawing in 
email :-)

B          C
         D
A          E

For simplicity, pretend the shape is all in the positive quadrant.
The algorithm adds the area under each line segment -  AB, BC, CD, DE, EA

The concavity at D is not significant -
    the area under BC includes all the area in the overall rectangle
then we remove the area under CD (the delta-X is negative, so we are 
removing it)
then we add back in the area under DE
and finally remove the area under EA.


As Geoff said, it does fail if the shape self-overlaps - the overlap 
area is counted twice (which is conceptually a failure, depending on 
your intent - if you were measuring the area of cloth needed to 
physically realize the shape, then it is correct, if you are measuring 
the area to be covered by paint then it would be wrong).

Similarly though less importantly, it "fails" on self-inverting shapes  
(e.g. 10,10 100,100 100,10   10,100   10,10) - but what the intent of 
that shape is is hard to guess :-)

I'm sure there is a way to test for convexity - for each edge segment 
the *following* point must be on or to the left (if anti-clockwise) or 
to the right (clockwise) of the extended edge segment - so if you find 
at least one of each of left and right, then you have non-convexity.

-- Alex.



On 09/11/2015 10:18, Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On 08/11/2015 00:43, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> Actually, you should shorten the maths - makes it a bit more efficient
>>
>>
>> function getArea pPts
>>     if line 1 of pPts <> line -1 of pPts then return 0
>>     put 0 into tArea
>>     put empty into oldL
>>     repeat for each line L in pPts
>>        if oldL is not empty then
>>           --         put item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL into dx
>>           --         put item 2 of oldL + (item 2 of L - item 2 of oldL)
>> / 2 into avgY
>>           --         put dx * avgY into thisArea
>>           --         add thisArea to tArea
>>           add (item 1 of L - item 1 of oldL) * ( item 2 of oldL + item 2
>> of L) / 2 to tArea
>>        end if
>>        put L into oldL
>>     end repeat
>>     return abs(tArea)
>>
>> end getArea
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> It seems to me that this algorithm assumes that the polygon is convex, 
> and it will add area that should be subtracted if the polygon isn't 
> convex.  Am I correct?  Is there any way to include a test for convexity?
>
>                                  Peter
>



From james at thehales.id.au  Mon Nov  9 08:37:35 2015
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:37:35 +1100
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
Message-ID: <9674CD46-3E55-4E34-8406-E1D76FB9DEBF@thehales.id.au>

Thanks you all for your thoughtful replies.

@Paul Yes this is the direction my thinking has been heading. I think when I first toyed with this I didn't really find the application browser accessible (in a meaningful way to me) and thought multiple groups just too messy. But with the Project Browser and use of other plugins (lcStackBrowser and flcControlManager, both excellent alternatives) the overwhelming aspect of multiple groupings on a single card are no longer there.

@Peter Thanks for the example of the picker to use should I go this way.

@Bill Thankfully I do not have shifting fields between my tabs. Where a field is shared (well duplicated at this time) it is located basically in the same place. The coding side might take me a bit to get my head around in bringing all the individual cards scripts into one. open card handlers will need to be rewritten as well as ensuring no clashes in variables that were local within the confines of one script now having to share that same domain. I guess the upside is that there will be room to economize.

@Mike That is how I originally thought. It just seemed simpler to have multiple cards. It is only now after reading the initial thread and realising the maintenance of all these seperate cards scripts might not be the optimal approach.

@Scott Thankfully my app does not have hundreds of controls. And although they do probably number in the dozens the ability to show/hide them by a click in the appropriate browser makes that management well, manageable.

I am more convinced this is worth pursuing/exploring.


James






From sebastien.nouat at livecode.com  Mon Nov  9 11:31:53 2015
From: sebastien.nouat at livecode.com (Sebastien Nouat)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:31:53 +0000
Subject: Release 6.7.8 RC 3 / 7.1.1 RC 3
Message-ID: <5640CA79.9040008@livecode.com>

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.8 RC3 and 7.1.1 RC 3.

*Release Content*
This release contains 3 regressions fixes (fixed in both 6.7.8 RC 3 and 
7.1.1 RC 3).

* App Transport  Security*

By default, iOS applications built with Xcode 7.0 and Xcode 7.1 are not 
letting users loading unsecure HTTP page, but only HTTPS ones.

Even though this is not a recommended behaviour, we added the 
possibility for the users to deploy application able to access HTTP by 
disabling
ATS in the Standalone Settings for iOS.

You can read more information about this in the release notes, in the 
Engine Changes section.

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please download the installer directly at: 
http://downloads.livecode.com


*6.7.8 RC 3 / 7.1.0 RC 3*
The next RC build is planned to be released next week - or Final build, 
if no new regression is reported.

If you reported a bug in BugZilla, you can check whether it will be 
fixed by having a look at its status.
Bugs reported against LiveCode 6.7 or LiveCode 7.x will be fixed in the 
next release, if the status is AWAITING_BUILD.

You can also follow our release schedule, and bug fixing patches, on our 
GitHub repository <https://github.com/runrev/livecode/milestones>.


Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  9 11:41:18 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:41:18 +0000
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <563E29A5.9020803@gmail.com>
References: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com>
	<1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com> <563E29A5.9020803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7470EBB8-81B4-42CB-8456-C76A3103829B@iotecdigital.com>

Inversely, one could argue that if this can be done strictly with Livecode the way it is now, why do we need to make SVG support such a high priority?

Bob S


On Nov 7, 2015, at 08:41 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:

This is really super work: Mark Waddingham and Co. should "sit up and take notice".

Frankly, in the light of the fact that Alejandro can do this single-handedly I cannot help wondering
why the LiveCode team seem to be having some sort of "problem" vis-a-vis SVG and the IDE right now.

Richmond.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  9 12:00:51 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 17:00:51 +0000
Subject: Using "send...in <time>" wirh private commands?
In-Reply-To: <563E49EA.8050705@fourthworld.com>
References: <563E37B6.5020905@ahsoftware.net>
	<563E49EA.8050705@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <DB50E539-894C-447F-A788-E7A991142212@iotecdigital.com>

One thing you might want to do using this process is to wait a period of time before trying to read or write to said file. Unix based operating systems will create a placeholder file prior to writing the actual file so that another process cannot use that filename in the middle of a write operation. I suppose you can also try to open the file for write even if you only want to read, which the OS will not allow while it is writing to it.

Bob S


On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:58 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

PS - a pleasant timing surprise:

One of the things I was testing this morning was the CPU impact of frequently polling for the existence of a file.  I have two processes which (for reasons not worth getting into here) can't talk via sockets, so I wondered how inefficient it might be to have them communicate via files.  Turns out checking for the existence of a specified file isn't bad at all.

Testing a worst-case I polled every millisecond and it never chewed up more than 4% of CPU time.  Throttling back to a more reasonable 500 ms never registered higher than 0%.

Not sure how well that would work on Windows, but OS X and Linux file system caching seems to make even brute force solutions like polling pretty nice.

--
Richard Gaskin



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  9 12:11:14 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 17:11:14 +0000
Subject: Tab control-multiple cards or hidden groups?
In-Reply-To: <EE3F89DC-884D-4EB6-9DA7-D27DA2A52D73@earthednet.org>
References: <59A09185-A806-42D0-9F5F-C0380A5899C4@thehales.id.au>
	<563F47DB.3050606@researchware.com>
	<FF63361E-1446-4048-8DB1-8CAD1D62E4F1@gmail.com>
	<EE3F89DC-884D-4EB6-9DA7-D27DA2A52D73@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <510E9D12-A8F5-4F20-A0AD-7797A8A6AFC5@iotecdigital.com>

I have a separate group of controls for each tab, and by group I really mean "group". This way I just have the selectionChanged handler in the tab object show and hide the corresponding group. In fact I name each group "grp<tabname>" so if for example I am showing the sites group:

on selectionChanged pTab
   put "grp" & pTab  into tGroup
   show group tGroup
   -- loop to hide other groups
end selectionChanged

Bob S


> On Nov 8, 2015, at 07:37 , Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've recently started doing this also, for a student/instructor login system. Depending on who is logging in, some of the input fields and buttons are different, and there may be multiple steps to the login and registration process. The main complication is that some buttons and fields need to be in different places in each group. Rather than write code to reposition them, I use controls with the same name, but in different locations in groups. The name of a field is important, as it corresponds to a field name on a remote database. This means I have to do some extra coding to make sure I get the field (which may have the same name as another field in another group) that is in the group that's showing when I get or set its contents. Ultimately, I'm hoping this makes the interaction between text fields and my MySQL db pretty seamless.
> 
> Anyway, I think this makes the organization nicer. I could probably simplify it if I used custom properties, though. Hmmmm... Many paths to nirvana.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:33 AM, "Peter M. Brigham" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:02 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 7:27 AM, James Hale wrote:
>>>> Recently there was some discussion concerning the use of hidden groups with the tab control. An app I am working on currently uses a tab control with five tabs that currently go to different cards. The cards concerned all share a number of other controls responsible for about 60% of their area with the tabbed panel taking the rest. Some of the panels are simply variations of another (e.g. Simple vs complex search).
>>>> I am now wondering whether there would be an advantage in reducing these five cards down to one and use the hidden group method.
>>>> Given I am not starting from scratch my question is, would there be advantages to me in making this transition?
>>>> So for those of you employing this method, why do you?
>>>> Is it having a single card script?
>>>> Is it keeping the stack structure simple?
>>>> Is it...?
>>>> I would be very interested in your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> I use a single card and multiple groups when the majority of the UI is
>>> (or will be) the same - i.e there would be a lot of common controls on
>>> different cards
>>> 
>>> I use multiple cards when the UI for each card is substantially different.
>>> 
>>> So it is basically a linear scale with tabbed groups being on one end
>>> where there a lot of common UI elements and tabbed cards being on the
>>> other end with little common UI elements. Where the dividing line is is
>>> probably a matter of personal preference. Organization of handlers plays
>>> a role in the choice as well. Recently, I have been leaning more towards
>>> multiple groups as I find accessing the objects and scripts in the IDE
>>> via the Application Browser a bit easier.
>> 
>> I do the same. If you go with the multiple groups/one card solution, an easy way of managing the clicks in the tab button is something like this:
>> 
>> on showGroup tGroup
>>  put "group1,group2,group3,group4" into gpList
>>  repeat for each item i in gpList
>>     set the visible of group i to (i = tGroup)
>>  end repeat
>> end showGroup
>> 
>> and if the group names are the same as the tab labels, it's quite straightforward:
>> 
>> on menuPick pItemName
>>  showGroup pItemName
>> end menuPick
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  9 12:20:32 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 17:20:32 +0000
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E95F2ED4-17FE-45B8-8397-1B49A7221ED5@iotecdigital.com>

Oddly, when I have a Quit command in a custom menu, the option does not show up. I think this is because the Livecode menu has a Quit option already, which when using the browse tool will hilite when pressing CMD-Q, but will not actually quit. I have not tested this in a standalone yet.

I have no shutDownRequest commands in my scripts.

Bob S


On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:54 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:

OS X traps and responds to its own system-wide shortcuts and does not pass them on to the app, so LC won't know about those.

But Cmd-Q behaves slightly differently. OS X does notify the app so it can put up save dialogs or do other housekeeping. If Cmd-Q isn't working, then there is probably something in your app that prevents it from quitting, like pending messages, open drivers, not passing "shutdownRequest", etc.

On 11/6/2015 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to get that to work.

Bob S



From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Nov  9 15:28:44 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:28:44 -0800
Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX
In-Reply-To: <E95F2ED4-17FE-45B8-8397-1B49A7221ED5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAOpWwtS6zm-e4B6SZU0ps8=zHcjHWir61v2gnTVJWLEmD5tuJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com>
	<563E48F1.7030001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E95F2ED4-17FE-45B8-8397-1B49A7221ED5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtQO4obFzQEGsTYnb8+GciuT8oNaTWhx6nvVjrqBUdaHiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I saw this when I tried to assign Cmd-H to a menu item. It simply did not
show up in the menu because Apple uses Cmd-H to hide the current
application.

Even assuming that Apple traps the Quit command and handles it, when I
assigned Cmd-Q with a multi-stack stand alone, it didn't work. I had to use
the solution proposed by Martin Koob:

Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a
'pass shutdownRequest' command.  This handler sends a prepareToQuit command
to the main card of the main stack.

substack stack script
-------------------
on shutdownRequest
   send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack"
end shutdownRequest
------------------
The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just has
a quit command.  This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main card.
This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented before
quitting.  This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that allows
the application to quit.

Mainstack >card "main" script
-----------------------
on preparetoquit
    quit
end preparetoquit

on shutdownRequest
    <do stuff here>

    pass shutdownRequest
end shutdownRequest


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Oddly, when I have a Quit command in a custom menu, the option does not
> show up. I think this is because the Livecode menu has a Quit option
> already, which when using the browse tool will hilite when pressing CMD-Q,
> but will not actually quit. I have not tested this in a standalone yet.
>
> I have no shutDownRequest commands in my scripts.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:54 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:
>
> OS X traps and responds to its own system-wide shortcuts and does not pass
> them on to the app, so LC won't know about those.
>
> But Cmd-Q behaves slightly differently. OS X does notify the app so it can
> put up save dialogs or do other housekeeping. If Cmd-Q isn't working, then
> there is probably something in your app that prevents it from quitting,
> like pending messages, open drivers, not passing "shutdownRequest", etc.
>
> On 11/6/2015 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to
> make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to
> get that to work.
>
> Bob S
>
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-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  9 17:34:37 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 14:34:37 -0800
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <7470EBB8-81B4-42CB-8456-C76A3103829B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <7470EBB8-81B4-42CB-8456-C76A3103829B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <56411F7D.7090806@fourthworld.com>

Unless I misunderstand what Alejandro is doing, his work is able to run 
in v7 and earlier because it translates SVG elements into LC graphics. 
  He does a very good job of it, but SVG includes primitives beyond what 
LC offers.

We have ovals, lines, polygons, roundRects, and rects, but SVG also 
allows paths that can consist of straight lines, curves, and even Beiziers.

At a fixed size it's possible to use polygons for nicely-rendered 
emulation of SVG paths, as Alejandro has done, but at higher resolution 
(such as when printing) or if resized sufficiently large, any emulated 
path using elements not found in LC will show some jagged edges where 
true SVG rendering will remain smooth at any resolution.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com


Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Inversely, one could argue that if this can be done strictly with Livecode the way it is now, why do we need to make SVG support such a high priority?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 08:41 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This is really super work: Mark Waddingham and Co. should "sit up and take notice".
>
> Frankly, in the light of the fact that Alejandro can do this single-handedly I cannot help wondering
> why the LiveCode team seem to be having some sort of "problem" vis-a-vis SVG and the IDE right now.
>
> Richmond.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  9 17:38:40 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:40 +0000
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <56411F7D.7090806@fourthworld.com>
References: <7470EBB8-81B4-42CB-8456-C76A3103829B@iotecdigital.com>
	<56411F7D.7090806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A19F47D6-7976-465D-9395-3875461C83E6@iotecdigital.com>

Ah! I was under the impression that Alejandro had come up with a comprehensive library of SVG routines. As an aside, from what I am reading, SVG seems to be vector graphics for those of us who don't want to license Postscript. I've never worked with them before, but my curiosity is piqued.

Bob S


On Nov 9, 2015, at 14:34 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

Unless I misunderstand what Alejandro is doing, his work is able to run in v7 and earlier because it translates SVG elements into LC graphics.  He does a very good job of it, but SVG includes primitives beyond what LC offers.

We have ovals, lines, polygons, roundRects, and rects, but SVG also allows paths that can consist of straight lines, curves, and even Beiziers.

At a fixed size it's possible to use polygons for nicely-rendered emulation of SVG paths, as Alejandro has done, but at higher resolution (such as when printing) or if resized sufficiently large, any emulated path using elements not found in LC will show some jagged edges where true SVG rendering will remain smooth at any resolution.

--
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Fourth World Systems
Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web



From hh at livecode.org  Mon Nov  9 19:16:08 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 01:16:08 +0100
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
Message-ID: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>

R.G. wrote:
> He [Alejandro] does a very good job of it, but SVG includes primitives beyond what LC offers.
> We have ovals, lines, polygons, roundRects, and rects, but SVG also 
> allows paths that can consist of straight lines, curves, and even Beiziers.

LC is pretty good able to do straight lines, curves, and even quadratic or cubic Bezier curves ...

And Alejandro translates SVG also to these (did already LC's Ian in his basic SVGL of 2009). And moreover, very difficult, Al currently imports to Graphic Effects.

B.S. wrote:
> SVG seems to be vector graphics for those of us who don't want to license Postscript.

Could you please give a hint where we can find a postscript library or PDF library that has at about the level that ALejandro reached with his SVG library?
It is in LC on linux not even possible to display a simple PDF. An SVG? Yes.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Nov  9 19:27:28 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:27:28 +0000
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>
References: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <52DFD13E-5E78-43F3-A1B5-1A744F142EC2@iotecdigital.com>

I was simply commenting that my sense of SVG is that it is cost free alternative to Postscript, which has to be licensed by anyone who uses it. I could be mistaken. Postscript is of course, a great deal more robust. For example, I do not see anything in the SVG standard that uses color management (I may not have read far enough). I also didn't see anything regarding alpha channels or the like.

I'm not saying Postscript can be replaced ny SVG, it just seems like a poor man's alternative. LC will likely never support Postscript graphics because it would require an interpreter, which would cost extra and burden the rendering engine when used.

Now on the issue of things like blends and text within graphics I can see how supporing SVG in the engine would be a benefit as opposed to having to convert an SVG to something LC understands.

Bob S


On Nov 9, 2015, at 16:16 , [-hh] <hh at livecode.org<mailto:hh at livecode.org>> wrote:

Could you please give a hint where we can find a postscript library or PDF library that has at about the level that ALejandro reached with his SVG library?
It is in LC on linux not even possible to display a simple PDF. An SVG? Yes.



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Nov  9 19:56:56 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:56:56 -0800
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>
References: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <564140D8.4000206@fourthworld.com>

-hh wrote:
 > R.G. wrote:
 >> He [Alejandro] does a very good job of it, but SVG includes
 >> primitives beyond what LC offers. We have ovals, lines,
 >> polygons, roundRects, and rects, but SVG also allows paths
 >> that can consist of straight lines, curves, and even Beiziers.
 >
 > LC is pretty good able to do straight lines, curves, and even
 > quadratic or cubic Bezier curves ...
 >
 > And Alejandro translates SVG also to these (did already LC's Ian
 > in his basic SVGL of 2009). And moreover, very difficult, Al
 > currently imports to Graphic Effects.

The difference between a true Bezier object and emulating Beziers with 
polygons is resolution.  Polygons can be made to like very good on 
screen, but cannot be made to resize larger, or print to a printer with 
higher resolution than the monitor, with the same smoothness as a true 
Bezier curve object.

When thinking of SVG path emulation in a language that has no native 
support for such things (yet), consider a circle: an infinite number of 
points a given distance from a given point.  Of course an infinite 
number of points would take infinite processing power to calculate, but 
a graphics engine like LiveCode's or Skia's (which in recent versions is 
the same thing) will render a circle primitive by calculating only the 
points it needs for the display device it's being rendered on.

Given that, if a fixed number of points is used to define a circle at a 
given resolution, enlarging the object will expose its points, making it 
evident that it's an approximation made from a polygon.  The larger the 
resizing, the more jaggy its appearance.  Shrunk down small enough a 
stop sign will look like a circle, but enlarged it becomes increasingly 
clear that it's a polygon.

Same with Beziers and mixed-type paths, since neither are among LC's 
built-in primitives at this time.

Skia, however, has SVG libraries available, which can be used to render 
any primitives defined in SVG to the full resolution of the display 
device (or printer, as the case may be).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 21:23:15 2015
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:23:15 +0900
Subject: styling text within an LC script
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've a script that combines tab-delimited text. Next, how to modify my
script so that parts of the combined text become italicized (or bold, or
underlined, or ...)?

The tab-delimited text is:

-----------------------------
Paradiso.01 1 La gloria di colui che tutto move The glory of the One who
moves all things
Paradiso.01 2 per l?universo penetra, e risplende permeates the universe
and glows
Paradiso.01 3 in una parte pi? e meno altrove. in one part more and in
another less.
-----------------------------

This text becomes:

--------------------------
La gloria di colui che tutto move 01.1
per l?universo penetra, e risplende
in una parte pi? e meno altrove.
     The glory of the One who moves all things
     permeates the universe and glows
     in one part more and in another less.
------------------------------

Can an LC script italicize the Italian while leaving the English as is, so
that the resulting multi-styled combined text can be copy-pasted from an LC
text-object to another doc?

Grazie mille.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From hh at livecode.org  Mon Nov  9 22:54:34 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 04:54:34 +0100
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
Message-ID: <6AA8CF00-C651-4653-8E5E-D5E10322EEFC@livecode.org>

> R.G. wrote:
> 
> The difference between a true Bezier object and emulating Beziers with 
> polygons is resolution.

I see it like this, a little bit different.

A "true" Bezier object is a mathematical model, for thinking and abstract computations, but not realizable in our deterministic world.

The graphical output for such an object is **always** a raster of points, an approximation by a polygonal line ("emulated" in your terms) no matter if SVG, HTML5, postscript/pdf or LC give the input. If you look at the output with a microscope you still see the pixels of Super Mario.

In LC you have to give the raw list of points, the others above use for short the mathematical model *as abstract description* for the raster they wish, that is then 'optimally' prepared for the device by algorithms of the library.

So the difference is for me nothing more than the method of giving the directive to the CPU or graphics processor, supported by a more or less large library. In LC you have until now to write the algorithm by yourself.

So, of course you are right that such a library would be comfortable.

> B.S. wrote: 
> 
> I'm not saying Postscript can be replaced by SVG, it just seems like a poor man's alternative. LC will likely never support Postscript graphics because it would require an interpreter, which would cost extra and burden the rendering engine when used.
> 
> Now on the issue of things like blends and text within graphics I can see how supporting SVG in the engine would be a benefit as opposed to having to convert an SVG to something LC understands.

First of all. For both of us is postscript/pdf the non-plus-ultra, I suppose. But I use it (the "raw" edit) only for very special work.
I'm an ordinary LC user, use LC for a large part of the daily life, that's it. If I wish to have more complicated things then I can use (faster) other apps.

The HTML5 branch is a promising way, simplest to use via the standalone builder. And as HTML5 serves also SVG it may be better to support direct HTML5 calls (do myScript as HTML5script) in the engine.
Modern browsers have the SVG support already implemented and will do it for us.
So supporting (the small part) SVG in the engine doesn't make sense for me, ALejandro's way is the more applicable one,
for me -- everybody as he likes it.


From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 00:53:16 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:53:16 -0500
Subject: styling text within an LC script
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <150eff49c47-6301-a114@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>

Hi.


Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.


If I understand, this should help.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 9:24 pm
Subject: styling text within an LC script


I've a script that combines tab-delimited text. Next, how to modify my
script so
that parts of the combined text become italicized (or bold, or
underlined, or
...)?

The tab-delimited text is:

-----------------------------
Paradiso.01 1
La gloria di colui che tutto move The glory of the One who
moves all
things
Paradiso.01 2 per l?universo penetra, e risplende permeates the
universe
and glows
Paradiso.01 3 in una parte pi? e meno altrove. in one part
more and in
another less.
-----------------------------

This text
becomes:

--------------------------
La gloria di colui che tutto move 01.1
per
l?universo penetra, e risplende
in una parte pi? e meno altrove.
     The glory
of the One who moves all things
     permeates the universe and glows
     in
one part more and in another less.
------------------------------

Can an LC
script italicize the Italian while leaving the English as is, so
that the
resulting multi-styled combined text can be copy-pasted from an LC
text-object
to another doc?

Grazie mille.

--
Nicolas
Cueto
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 01:16:36 2015
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:16:36 +0900
Subject: styling text within an LC script
In-Reply-To: <150eff49c47-6301-a114@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>
References: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<150eff49c47-6301-a114@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxk_2PKJmh9i1EpyS-RgEeG8TQALtmxq-tXFoeUBJ2Cq-g@mail.gmail.com>

> Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.

Yes. Thanks, though.

I know LC objects can be styled. However, within a script itself? For
example:

put line verse_number of field "original text" into verse_line
set the textStyle of item 3 of verse_line to "italic"

Not that simple?


On 10 November 2015 at 14:53, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
>
> Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.
>
>
> If I understand, this should help.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 9:24 pm
> Subject: styling text within an LC script
>
>
> I've a script that combines tab-delimited text. Next, how to modify my
> script so
> that parts of the combined text become italicized (or bold, or
> underlined, or
> ...)?
>
> The tab-delimited text is:
>
> -----------------------------
> Paradiso.01 1
> La gloria di colui che tutto move The glory of the One who
> moves all
> things
> Paradiso.01 2 per l?universo penetra, e risplende permeates the
> universe
> and glows
> Paradiso.01 3 in una parte pi? e meno altrove. in one part
> more and in
> another less.
> -----------------------------
>
> This text
> becomes:
>
> --------------------------
> La gloria di colui che tutto move 01.1
> per
> l?universo penetra, e risplende
> in una parte pi? e meno altrove.
>      The glory
> of the One who moves all things
>      permeates the universe and glows
>      in
> one part more and in another less.
> ------------------------------
>
> Can an LC
> script italicize the Italian while leaving the English as is, so
> that the
> resulting multi-styled combined text can be copy-pasted from an LC
> text-object
> to another doc?
>
> Grazie mille.
>
> --
> Nicolas
> Cueto
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Nov 10 04:00:43 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:00:43 +0000
Subject: can't build, won't build !@?
Message-ID: <DUB114-W94F55F0A9B588421D41C07ED140@phx.gbl>

Using LC 7.1 and Xcode 6.4, I have no problem getting a stack to run in the simulator or on a device...

Using LC 7.1.1(RC3) or LC 8,0 (dp 8) and Xcode 7.1, I get error dialogs that are telling me 'Unable to build for simulation'  as files cannot be copied...

If I return to LC 7.1 and Xcode 8.4, the problem goes away again...

Does anyone have any idea how I have upset the 'liveCode' gods with my latest offering ?

Screen shot of the dialog :-
http://www.ihouse.on-rev.com/cantbuildwontbuild.jpg
 		 	   		  

From neil at livecode.com  Tue Nov 10 05:06:11 2015
From: neil at livecode.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:06:11 +0000
Subject: can't build, won't build !@?
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W94F55F0A9B588421D41C07ED140@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W94F55F0A9B588421D41C07ED140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5641C193.80307@livecode.com>

Hi John,

Had a quick go at trying to reproduce the issue but no success so far.

If possible could you submit a quick bug report, with sample stack, and 
we'll happily look into this further.

Kind regards,

Neil


	

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On 10/11/2015 09:00, John Dixon wrote:
> Using LC 7.1 and Xcode 6.4, I have no problem getting a stack to run in the simulator or on a device...
>
> Using LC 7.1.1(RC3) or LC 8,0 (dp 8) and Xcode 7.1, I get error dialogs that are telling me 'Unable to build for simulation'  as files cannot be copied...
>
> If I return to LC 7.1 and Xcode 8.4, the problem goes away again...
>
> Does anyone have any idea how I have upset the 'liveCode' gods with my latest offering ?
>
> Screen shot of the dialog :-
> http://www.ihouse.on-rev.com/cantbuildwontbuild.jpg
>   		 	   		
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 05:39:03 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:39:03 +0200
Subject: Release 6.7.8 RC 3 / 7.1.1 RC 3
In-Reply-To: <5640CA79.9040008@livecode.com>
References: <5640CA79.9040008@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <5641C947.9030202@gmail.com>

6.7.8 RC 3

All a bit lumpy on 64 bit Linux I'm afraid:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=25828&p=134261#p134261

Richmond.



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Nov 10 05:52:43 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:52:43 +0000
Subject: can't build, won't build !@?
In-Reply-To: <5641C193.80307@livecode.com>
References: <DUB114-W94F55F0A9B588421D41C07ED140@phx.gbl>,
	<5641C193.80307@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W12100CB353E0392E054030CED140@phx.gbl>


Done...:-) # 16389

> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:06:11 +0000
> From: neil at livecode.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: can't build, won't build !@?
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Had a quick go at trying to reproduce the issue but no success so far.
> 
> If possible could you submit a quick bug report, with sample stack, and 
> we'll happily look into this further.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> LiveCode Technical Support Lead
> neil at livecode.com <mailto:neil at livecode.com>
> 
> LiveCode
> +44 (0) 845 219 8923.
> 25A Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
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> 
> 
> On 10/11/2015 09:00, John Dixon wrote:
> > Using LC 7.1 and Xcode 6.4, I have no problem getting a stack to run in the simulator or on a device...
> >
> > Using LC 7.1.1(RC3) or LC 8,0 (dp 8) and Xcode 7.1, I get error dialogs that are telling me 'Unable to build for simulation'  as files cannot be copied...
> >
> > If I return to LC 7.1 and Xcode 8.4, the problem goes away again...
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea how I have upset the 'liveCode' gods with my latest offering ?
> >
> > Screen shot of the dialog :-
> > http://www.ihouse.on-rev.com/cantbuildwontbuild.jpg
> >   		 	   		
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From neil at livecode.com  Tue Nov 10 06:30:55 2015
From: neil at livecode.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:30:55 +0000
Subject: can't build, won't build !@?
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W12100CB353E0392E054030CED140@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W94F55F0A9B588421D41C07ED140@phx.gbl>,
	<5641C193.80307@livecode.com>
	<DUB114-W12100CB353E0392E054030CED140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5641D56F.4010702@livecode.com>

Hi John,

I can confirm this one :) Bit of a funky one as using your assets on a 
fresh stack works without issue so seems to point to something stack 
specific. We'll keep you posted via the bug report.

Kind Regards,

Neil


	

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On 10/11/2015 10:52, John Dixon wrote:
> Done...:-) # 16389
>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:06:11 +0000
>> From: neil at livecode.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Re: can't build, won't build !@?
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Had a quick go at trying to reproduce the issue but no success so far.
>>
>> If possible could you submit a quick bug report, with sample stack, and
>> we'll happily look into this further.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> 	
>>
>> LiveCode Technical Support Lead
>> neil at livecode.com <mailto:neil at livecode.com>
>>
>> LiveCode
>> +44 (0) 845 219 8923.
>> 25A Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
>> http://www.livecode.com
>>
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>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/livecode> Youtube
>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/RunRevLtd> Linkedin
>> <https://github.com/runrev/livecode>
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/2015 09:00, John Dixon wrote:
>>> Using LC 7.1 and Xcode 6.4, I have no problem getting a stack to run in the simulator or on a device...
>>>
>>> Using LC 7.1.1(RC3) or LC 8,0 (dp 8) and Xcode 7.1, I get error dialogs that are telling me 'Unable to build for simulation'  as files cannot be copied...
>>>
>>> If I return to LC 7.1 and Xcode 8.4, the problem goes away again...
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any idea how I have upset the 'liveCode' gods with my latest offering ?
>>>
>>> Screen shot of the dialog :-
>>> http://www.ihouse.on-rev.com/cantbuildwontbuild.jpg
>>>    		 	   		
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Nov 10 07:39:13 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:39:13 -0500
Subject: styling text within an LC script
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxk_2PKJmh9i1EpyS-RgEeG8TQALtmxq-tXFoeUBJ2Cq-g@mail.gmail.com>
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Text in a variable (i.e "verse_line") can not be styled, at least in the
same what you style text in a field (i.e. setting the textStyle property)

To style text in a script, you either need to create the styling in a
variable as htmlText or in an array as the styledText. I think for what
you want htmlText is easier.

You example becomes something like the code below to set the 3rd item of
every lien to italics

put empty into tHTMLText
repeat for each line verse_line in field "original text"

  put "<i>"& item 3 of verse_line &"</i>" into item 3 of verse_line -- makes item 3 "italic"
  put "<p>"& verse_line &"</p>" after tHTMLText

end repeat
set the htmlText of field "original text" to tHTMLText -- or you could put the styled version in a new field if you want



On 11/10/2015 1:16 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>> Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.
> Yes. Thanks, though.
>
> I know LC objects can be styled. However, within a script itself? For
> example:
>
> put line verse_number of field "original text" into verse_line
> set the textStyle of item 3 of verse_line to "italic"
>
> Not that simple?
>
>
> On 10 November 2015 at 14:53, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>>
>> Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.
>>
>>
>> If I understand, this should help.
>>
>>
>> Craig Newman
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 9:24 pm
>> Subject: styling text within an LC script
>>
>>
>> I've a script that combines tab-delimited text. Next, how to modify my
>> script so
>> that parts of the combined text become italicized (or bold, or
>> underlined, or
>> ...)?
>>
>> The tab-delimited text is:
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Paradiso.01 1
>> La gloria di colui che tutto move The glory of the One who
>> moves all
>> things
>> Paradiso.01 2 per l?universo penetra, e risplende permeates the
>> universe
>> and glows
>> Paradiso.01 3 in una parte pi? e meno altrove. in one part
>> more and in
>> another less.
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> This text
>> becomes:
>>
>> --------------------------
>> La gloria di colui che tutto move 01.1
>> per
>> l?universo penetra, e risplende
>> in una parte pi? e meno altrove.
>>      The glory
>> of the One who moves all things
>>      permeates the universe and glows
>>      in
>> one part more and in another less.
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Can an LC
>> script italicize the Italian while leaving the English as is, so
>> that the
>> resulting multi-styled combined text can be copy-pasted from an LC
>> text-object
>> to another doc?
>>
>> Grazie mille.
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas
>> Cueto
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>> list
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Nov 10 11:02:10 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 08:02:10 -0800
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <6AA8CF00-C651-4653-8E5E-D5E10322EEFC@livecode.org>
References: <6AA8CF00-C651-4653-8E5E-D5E10322EEFC@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <56421502.5090903@fourthworld.com>

-hh wrote:

 >> R.G. wrote:
 >>
 >> The difference between a true Bezier object and emulating Beziers
 >> with polygons is resolution.
 >
 > I see it like this, a little bit different.
 >
 > A "true" Bezier object is a mathematical model, for thinking and
 > abstract computations, but not realizable in our deterministic world.
 >
 > The graphical output for such an object is **always** a raster of
 > points, an approximation by a polygonal line ("emulated" in your
 > terms) no matter if SVG, HTML5, postscript/pdf or LC give the input.
 > If you look at the output with a microscope you still see the pixels
 > of Super Mario.
 >
 > In LC you have to give the raw list of points, the others above use
 > for short the mathematical model *as abstract description* for the
 > raster they wish, that is then 'optimally' prepared for the device
 > by algorithms of the library.
 >
 > So the difference is for me nothing more than the method of giving
 > the directive to the CPU or graphics processor, supported by a more
 > or less large library. In LC you have until now to write the
 > algorithm by yourself.
 >
 > So, of course you are right that such a library would be comfortable.

As often happens with you and I, we rarely use the same words but 
frequently agree.  Each of us has described the same rendering 
mechanics, but in different ways.

Of course whether re-rendered on resize in a script or in C any SVG can 
be made to look good.  But given how much faster C is, and since SVG is 
already provided in LC's underlying Skia, why not use it?

Mark Waddingham has already submitted the pull request, so at this point 
it's not like we need to wait much longer to have a fairly optimal SVG 
rendering option in LC.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Nov 10 11:16:46 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:16:46 +0000
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <564140D8.4000206@fourthworld.com>
References: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>
	<564140D8.4000206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <59F65150-8CAF-4C05-800D-C7C58CD57BD7@iotecdigital.com>

That just about broke my brain in Algebra. I contended that an infinitely small point was nothing at all, therefore an infinite number of points was also nothing at all. So why were we talking about it as though it were something tangible?? :-)

Bob S


On Nov 9, 2015, at 16:56 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

When thinking of SVG path emulation in a language that has no native support for such things (yet), consider a circle: an infinite number of points a given distance from a given point.



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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:46:49 +0100
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From sritcp at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 09:15:30 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:15:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: styling text within an LC script
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1447164930522-4698652.post@n4.nabble.com>

niconiko wrote
> Can an LC script italicize the Italian while leaving the English as is, so
> that the resulting multi-styled combined text can be copy-pasted from an
> LC
> text-object to another doc?

Yes.
Drag a table field onto the card and name it "Table1"
Create a button called "Test".
Put the following code into the script of the button "Test"
Click the button "Test" !!!
-----------------------
on mouseUp
   local tText
   
   -- create tab-delimited text
   put "Paradiso.01 1" & tab & "La gloria di colui che tutto move" & tab &
"The glory of the one who moves all things" into line 1 of tText
   put "Paradiso.01 2" & tab & "per l?universo penetra, e risplende" & tab &
"permeates the universe and glows" into line 2 of tText
   put "Paradiso.01 3" & tab & "in una parte pi? e meno altrove." & tab &
"in one part more and another less." into line 3 of tText
   
   -- put it into a table field
   set the tabStops of field "Table1" to  "100, 300, 500"
   set the text of field "Table1" to tText
   
   --  style as necessary
   repeat with i = 1 to 3
      set the itemDel to tab 
      set the textStyle of item 2 of line i of field "Table1"  to "italic"
   end repeat
   
end mouseUp
----------------

Regards,
Sri



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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 09:33:39 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:33:39 -0500
Subject: styling text within an LC script
In-Reply-To: <5641E571.3070009@researchware.com>
References: <CAGeTkxneDnnDXY8AtbbcDgi9j837UYKv9LwkmARG2T0ofgQrMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<150eff49c47-6301-a114@webprd-m43.mail.aol.com>
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	<5641E571.3070009@researchware.com>
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FYI, adding the formatting commands in a variable and then setting the
HTMLtext will be *much* faster than formatting by setting styles in a field.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

> Text in a variable (i.e "verse_line") can not be styled, at least in the
> same what you style text in a field (i.e. setting the textStyle property)
>
> To style text in a script, you either need to create the styling in a
> variable as htmlText or in an array as the styledText. I think for what
> you want htmlText is easier.
>
> You example becomes something like the code below to set the 3rd item of
> every lien to italics
>
> put empty into tHTMLText
> repeat for each line verse_line in field "original text"
>
>   put "<i>"& item 3 of verse_line &"</i>" into item 3 of verse_line --
> makes item 3 "italic"
>   put "<p>"& verse_line &"</p>" after tHTMLText
>
> end repeat
> set the htmlText of field "original text" to tHTMLText -- or you could put
> the styled version in a new field if you want
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2015 1:16 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> >> Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.
> > Yes. Thanks, though.
> >
> > I know LC objects can be styled. However, within a script itself? For
> > example:
> >
> > put line verse_number of field "original text" into verse_line
> > set the textStyle of item 3 of verse_line to "italic"
> >
> > Not that simple?
> >
> >
> > On 10 November 2015 at 14:53, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >>
> >> Have you looked up the "HTMLText" in the dictionary.
> >>
> >>
> >> If I understand, this should help.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig Newman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
> >> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 9:24 pm
> >> Subject: styling text within an LC script
> >>
> >>
> >> I've a script that combines tab-delimited text. Next, how to modify my
> >> script so
> >> that parts of the combined text become italicized (or bold, or
> >> underlined, or
> >> ...)?
> >>
> >> The tab-delimited text is:
> >>
> >> -----------------------------
> >> Paradiso.01 1
> >> La gloria di colui che tutto move The glory of the One who
> >> moves all
> >> things
> >> Paradiso.01 2 per l?universo penetra, e risplende permeates the
> >> universe
> >> and glows
> >> Paradiso.01 3 in una parte pi? e meno altrove. in one part
> >> more and in
> >> another less.
> >> -----------------------------
> >>
> >> This text
> >> becomes:
> >>
> >> --------------------------
> >> La gloria di colui che tutto move 01.1
> >> per
> >> l?universo penetra, e risplende
> >> in una parte pi? e meno altrove.
> >>      The glory
> >> of the One who moves all things
> >>      permeates the universe and glows
> >>      in
> >> one part more and in another less.
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Can an LC
> >> script italicize the Italian while leaving the English as is, so
> >> that the
> >> resulting multi-styled combined text can be copy-pasted from an LC
> >> text-object
> >> to another doc?
> >>
> >> Grazie mille.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nicolas
> >> Cueto
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing
> >> list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 13:07:19 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:07:19 +0200
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <59F65150-8CAF-4C05-800D-C7C58CD57BD7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B0D92FC3-30D2-47BB-BAF9-2B704C0D4AC6@livecode.org>
	<564140D8.4000206@fourthworld.com>
	<59F65150-8CAF-4C05-800D-C7C58CD57BD7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <56423257.4090908@gmail.com>

On 10/11/15 18:16, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> That just about broke my brain in Algebra. I contended that an infinitely small point was nothing at all, therefore an infinite number of points was also nothing at all. So why were we talking about it as though it were something tangible?? :-)
>
> Bob S

Zeno's arrow never moved.

Richmond.

>
>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 16:56 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
>
> When thinking of SVG path emulation in a language that has no native support for such things (yet), consider a circle: an infinite number of points a given distance from a given point.
>
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From hh at livecode.org  Tue Nov 10 13:39:05 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:39:05 +0100
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
Message-ID: <49D7FA1F-EECE-4447-B20C-A3DF0D6D5BD6@livecode.org>

> B.S. wrote
> That just about broke my brain in Algebra. I contended that an infinitely small point was nothing at all, therefore an infinite number of points was also nothing at all. So why were we talking about it as though it were something tangible?? :)

Richard certainly believes in the continuum hypothesis and means by "number" (as every linux specialist) the cardinality of the continuum. How to draw all these points? The answer is 42.

But joke aside, Mark W. begun to built into the engine computations and comparisons with 'infinity' (cardinality of natural numbers, see "This week in LC #8").

I'm curious about the future dictonary entries to infty -- not that easy to explain, that 2*infty = infty or infty - 1 = infty.


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From hh at livecode.org  Tue Nov 10 16:37:19 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:37:19 +0100
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
Message-ID: <8BAF5C6E-48B3-45B7-9590-79A93A8E9122@livecode.org>

In the thread ("Area of irregular Polygon") I've seen a very fast technique.
I tested this technique and found it extremely fast.
Thus I would like to summarize and contribute also the centroid formulas, for our collections.

Look at non-selfintersecting (simple) polygons.
The centroid of such a polygon is a good candidate for rotations of the polygon.

Say you have a map of countries or states of described by such polygons (neglecting all "wholes"). Each polygon has a very lengthy list of points.

If the points (vertices) are 'oriented' (cw or ccw), the formula for its coordinates are given here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Area_and_centroid

What's the fastest way to handle such "shoelace-formulas" (overcrossing two lines of points) in LC?

The noteworthy technique used by Alex T. and Roger G. is essentially the following, walking only one single time through the list of points.

function polyArea p
   put line 1 of p into K; delete line 1 of p
   repeat for each line L in p
     add (item 1 of K) * (item 2 of L) - (item 1 of L) * (item 2 of K) to A
     put L into K
   end repeat
   return abs(A/2)
end polyArea

I tested this technique and found it extremely fast. So I would like to contribute also the centroid formulas for our collections.

We still walk again *one* single time through the list of points, using the wiki-formulas above.

-- function polyCentroidandArea
-- returns in line 1 the centroid of the poly, in line 2 the area
-- p is a list of oriented points, no empty line
-- last line of p = first line of p (we have a closed poly)
-- the points are oriented (CW or CCW)

function polyCentroidandArea p 
   put line 1 of p into K; delete line 1 of p
   put 0 into A; put 0 into x; put 0 into y
   repeat for each line L in p
     put (item 1 of K) * (item 2 of L) - (item 1 of L) * (item 2 of K) into t
     add ((item 1 of K) + (item 1 of L)) * t to x
     add ((item 2 of K) + (item 2 of L)) * t to y
     add t to A; put L into K
   end repeat
   if A is 0 then return "Area is zero"
   else return ( round(x/(3*A)) , round(y/(3*A)) ) & cr & abs(A/2)
end polyCentroidandArea

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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Nov 10 19:38:03 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:38:03 +0000
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <8BAF5C6E-48B3-45B7-9590-79A93A8E9122@livecode.org>
References: <8BAF5C6E-48B3-45B7-9590-79A93A8E9122@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <56428DEB.3030308@tweedly.net>

For the area calculation, it is actually marginally faster without the 
"delete line 1 of p" - i.e. as Geoff Canyon suggested.

The first time through the loop is guaranteed to calculate "0" - so no 
change to the result, and a cost of a very few microseconds.
But doing that "delete line 1 of p" costs you two memory copies of the 
entire variable - one for the delete itself, copying the rest of the 
lines down in place, and another because without the delete, 'p' is 
read-only, so the delete triggers a 'copy-on-write' of the parameter.

For small number of edges in the polygon, it will make negligible 
difference - but for polygons with very large number of points, that 
copying cost will far outweigh the extra pass through the loop.

So omitting the "delete line 1 of p" is more efficient - as well as 
being one line fewer of code.
Geoff C strikes again !

-- Alex.

On 10/11/2015 21:37, [-hh] wrote:
> In the thread ("Area of irregular Polygon") I've seen a very fast technique.
> I tested this technique and found it extremely fast.
> Thus I would like to summarize and contribute also the centroid formulas, for our collections.
>
> Look at non-selfintersecting (simple) polygons.
> The centroid of such a polygon is a good candidate for rotations of the polygon.
>
> Say you have a map of countries or states of described by such polygons (neglecting all "wholes"). Each polygon has a very lengthy list of points.
>
> If the points (vertices) are 'oriented' (cw or ccw), the formula for its coordinates are given here
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Area_and_centroid
>
> What's the fastest way to handle such "shoelace-formulas" (overcrossing two lines of points) in LC?
>
> The noteworthy technique used by Alex T. and Roger G. is essentially the following, walking only one single time through the list of points.
>
> function polyArea p
>     put line 1 of p into K; delete line 1 of p
>     repeat for each line L in p
>       add (item 1 of K) * (item 2 of L) - (item 1 of L) * (item 2 of K) to A
>       put L into K
>     end repeat
>     return abs(A/2)
> end polyArea
>
> I tested this technique and found it extremely fast. So I would like to contribute also the centroid formulas for our collections.
>
> We still walk again *one* single time through the list of points, using the wiki-formulas above.
>
> -- function polyCentroidandArea
> -- returns in line 1 the centroid of the poly, in line 2 the area
> -- p is a list of oriented points, no empty line
> -- last line of p = first line of p (we have a closed poly)
> -- the points are oriented (CW or CCW)
>
> function polyCentroidandArea p
>     put line 1 of p into K; delete line 1 of p
>     put 0 into A; put 0 into x; put 0 into y
>     repeat for each line L in p
>       put (item 1 of K) * (item 2 of L) - (item 1 of L) * (item 2 of K) into t
>       add ((item 1 of K) + (item 1 of L)) * t to x
>       add ((item 2 of K) + (item 2 of L)) * t to y
>       add t to A; put L into K
>     end repeat
>     if A is 0 then return "Area is zero"
>     else return ( round(x/(3*A)) , round(y/(3*A)) ) & cr & abs(A/2)
> end polyCentroidandArea
>
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 20:07:56 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:07:56 -0400
Subject: Formatting a number with two or more decimal points
Message-ID: <CAN3QPOwHxZNohN=RVRVHg-6DGsuLSdn8Qs0YO40Nwjp+gKLBjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Recently, while updating Ian's SVGL
to import some SVG archives that
you could download from OpenClipart.org
I found an error processing this number:
80.26.12

This looks like a number with two decimal points
but it's a shorthand for two numbers that some
SVG editors use to save space by replacing two numbers
like 80.26 0.12 with a single word like this: 80.26.12
Notice that two characters: " 0" (a space and
number zero) are missing.

Quickly, I scripted a workaround like this:

Function ConvertWordtoNumbers pWordN

put pWordN into tWordNumber -- pWordN contains "80.26.12"

if "." is in tWordNumber
then

replace "." with cr in tWordNumber
if the number of lines of tWordNumber = 3
then
return line 1 of tWordNumber & "." & line 2 of tWordNumber && "0." & line 3
of tWordNumber
else return pWordN -- unchanged word or unchanged number
end if

else
return pWordN
end if

end ConvertWordtoNumbers

My question is:
How could you rewrite this code
to make it more elegant, faster,
efficient and cover an extreme
case like this:
10.26.12.47.38.52.71
(6 numbers in a single word)
10.26 0.12 0.47 0.38 0.52 0.71

Autotracing applications could produce
curves as unusual as these.

Thanks in advance!

Al


From blueback09 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 22:12:54 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:12:54 -0800
Subject: Formatting a number with two or more decimal points
In-Reply-To: <CAN3QPOwHxZNohN=RVRVHg-6DGsuLSdn8Qs0YO40Nwjp+gKLBjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwHxZNohN=RVRVHg-6DGsuLSdn8Qs0YO40Nwjp+gKLBjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DqXj_NsGmqG=6Mwp+ZpzZdE6Kp+JWQM--M=H8qCuAhhwA@mail.gmail.com>

This works with the two cases you described. I've heard that "repeat while"
isn't the fastest option, but it sounded like 6 repeats would be an extreme
case, so it probably doesn't matter.

on testingTesting
   -- 10.26.12.47.38.52.71
   -- 10.26 0.12 0.47 0.38 0.52 0.71
   --   put "80.26.12" into tBlerg
   --   put "10.26.12.47.38.52.71" into tBlerg
   put "10.26" into tBlerg
   put convertWordToNumbers(tBlerg) into tBlergBlerg
end testingTesting

function convertWordToNumbers pWordN
   put pWordN into tWord
   split tWord by "."
   if the number of lines of the keys of tWord > 2 then
      put tWord[1] & "." & tWord[2] into tAll
      put 3 into tCounter
      repeat while tCounter <= the number of lines of the keys of tWord
         put " 0."& tWord[tCounter] after tAll
         put tCounter + 1 into tCounter
      end repeat
      return tAll
   end if
   return pWordN
end convertWordToNumbers

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Recently, while updating Ian's SVGL
> to import some SVG archives that
> you could download from OpenClipart.org
> I found an error processing this number:
> 80.26.12
>
> This looks like a number with two decimal points
> but it's a shorthand for two numbers that some
> SVG editors use to save space by replacing two numbers
> like 80.26 0.12 with a single word like this: 80.26.12
> Notice that two characters: " 0" (a space and
> number zero) are missing.
>
> Quickly, I scripted a workaround like this:
>
> Function ConvertWordtoNumbers pWordN
>
> put pWordN into tWordNumber -- pWordN contains "80.26.12"
>
> if "." is in tWordNumber
> then
>
> replace "." with cr in tWordNumber
> if the number of lines of tWordNumber = 3
> then
> return line 1 of tWordNumber & "." & line 2 of tWordNumber && "0." & line 3
> of tWordNumber
> else return pWordN -- unchanged word or unchanged number
> end if
>
> else
> return pWordN
> end if
>
> end ConvertWordtoNumbers
>
> My question is:
> How could you rewrite this code
> to make it more elegant, faster,
> efficient and cover an extreme
> case like this:
> 10.26.12.47.38.52.71
> (6 numbers in a single word)
> 10.26 0.12 0.47 0.38 0.52 0.71
>
> Autotracing applications could produce
> curves as unusual as these.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Al
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 22:38:34 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:38:34 -0500
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
Message-ID: <BF1F8B7A-76ED-4134-965F-E771DF279773@comcast.net>

Among the controls in a group with background behavior I have a ?quick browse? control ? a polygon graphic whose many rectangular parts represent cards in the stack.  I handle ?mouseEnter? and ?mouseMove?, and use the mouseH to calculate which card to go to.
I find that the ?mouseMove? message is interrupted when I change cards.  Even though the mouse is moving across what looks like the same graphic, LC seems to treat each card?s representation of that graphic as a separate control.  Thus when a mouseMove causes navigation to a different card, no more mouseMove messages are received, unless I move the mouse out of and back into the control.
Is this how things should work?  Do I need to move my control to a palette so that the change of card that it triggers does not interrupt its own operation?  Are there other options?

David Epstein

From blueback09 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 23:25:01 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:25:01 -0800
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
In-Reply-To: <BF1F8B7A-76ED-4134-965F-E771DF279773@comcast.net>
References: <BF1F8B7A-76ED-4134-965F-E771DF279773@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DrOAJo_fu6xxmd70Xc2xjQqQ0U46EBeRWzFkjAWgK8OJw@mail.gmail.com>

Dude, the mouseMove messages suck. Like it always sends a mouseMove after
mouseDown, whether or not the mouse moved. And there are other things that
either block mouseMove from being sent, or send it only to the original
control, or some other exception. If you try to do anything unusual based
on mouse handlers you'll probably find that it doesn't work.

I had to write my own logic for tracking the mouse location. I just collect
up mouseMove and mouseEnter and all the rest of them and send them to a
handler that compares the mouseLocation to the rects of all the controls
I'm interested in.

This is the core of the logic:
if within([long id of some graphic],the mouseloc) then [whatever]
Just repeat for all the controls you're worried about.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 7:38 PM, David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Among the controls in a group with background behavior I have a ?quick
> browse? control ? a polygon graphic whose many rectangular parts represent
> cards in the stack.  I handle ?mouseEnter? and ?mouseMove?, and use the
> mouseH to calculate which card to go to.
> I find that the ?mouseMove? message is interrupted when I change cards.
> Even though the mouse is moving across what looks like the same graphic, LC
> seems to treat each card?s representation of that graphic as a separate
> control.  Thus when a mouseMove causes navigation to a different card, no
> more mouseMove messages are received, unless I move the mouse out of and
> back into the control.
> Is this how things should work?  Do I need to move my control to a palette
> so that the change of card that it triggers does not interrupt its own
> operation?  Are there other options?
>
> David Epstein
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Nov 10 23:25:07 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:25:07 -0800
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
In-Reply-To: <BF1F8B7A-76ED-4134-965F-E771DF279773@comcast.net>
References: <BF1F8B7A-76ED-4134-965F-E771DF279773@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D26802C3.717B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi David:

Try the following in your message box.  Is this what you're trying to do?
go url "http://tactilemedia.com/download/graphic_nav.livecode"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/10/15, 7:38 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of David Epstein"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of dfepstein at comcast.net>
wrote:

>Among the controls in a group with background behavior I have a ?quick
>browse? control ? a polygon graphic whose many rectangular parts
>represent cards in the stack.  I handle ?mouseEnter? and ?mouseMove?, and
>use the mouseH to calculate which card to go to.
>I find that the ?mouseMove? message is interrupted when I change cards.
>Even though the mouse is moving across what looks like the same graphic,
>LC seems to treat each card?s representation of that graphic as a
>separate control.  Thus when a mouseMove causes navigation to a different
>card, no more mouseMove messages are received, unless I move the mouse
>out of and back into the control.
>Is this how things should work?  Do I need to move my control to a
>palette so that the change of card that it triggers does not interrupt
>its own operation?  Are there other options?
>
>David Epstein
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Nov 11 02:28:07 2015
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:28:07 -0800
Subject: Standalone Internet Access Errors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1447153202.14614.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1447153202.14614.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F461FD9A-385D-416F-950B-5365ECEE72A0@clearvisiontech.com>

I have a standalone app that users download, unzip, and run.   This works fine.  However, from time to time I get a call from a customer, typically on a windows computer, that the app is unable to reach the internet.  My standalone is getting timeout errors, and "Host address not found" messages when trying to access the internet.  Usually, disabling security settings on the users computer will resolve the problem.  But, now and then that doesn't work or they can't find the service on their system that is blocking my app.  I know it's not a url or domain issue because the very website the app it trying to reach is the same server they downloaded the app.  I think the issue is that the app it's self is being blocked.  I wonder if it's because it's not being installed by a MSI installer and therefore is untrusted.  I'm not a windows expert by any means and am a bit perplexed.  Does anyone have any knowledge of this or have any advice?

Any thoughts are appreciated!

-Dan


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 02:45:20 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:45:20 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm playing with a challenge to calculate the sum of the primes less than
3,000,000,000

So far I have this, which gets the job done for the primes up to about a
billion, but then dies (the whole app) without even a dialog. It's also not
very fast. It would probably take an hour or two to finish.

Any suggestions for efficiency or non-crashed-ness?

function bAdd x,y
 -- adds two positive numbers of arbitrary length
   put 0 into c
   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y))
      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
      put char -14 to -1 of c before r
      delete char -14 to -1 of c
   end repeat
   return c & r
end bAdd

on mouseUp
   put 2 into T
   put 0 into S
   put 3 into i
   repeat until i > fld 1 -- fld 1 contains 3000000000
      if P[i] is empty then
         put bAdd(i,T) into T
         put i & comma after P[i*3]
      else
         repeat for each item x in P[i]
            put x & comma after P[i + x + x]
         end repeat
         delete P[i]
      end if
      if the seconds > S then
         put the seconds into S
         put i && T into fld 2
         unlock screen
         lock screen
      end if
      add 2 to i
   end repeat
   put i && T into fld 2
end mouseUp


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 11 03:18:49 2015
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:18:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1447229929835-4698670.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Geoff,

Have a look here for a few examples.

http://2108.co.uk/questions/question/primes-between-20-and-700/
<http://2108.co.uk/questions/question/primes-between-20-and-700/>  



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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 04:00:31 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:00:31 -0400
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
Message-ID: <CAN3QPOwPsf82j2hYP4xkNTEvY-3cJKfFqSb1XwrpS7xUPv7cTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Many Thanks for your kind words, but remember that
this is just an updated version of Ian McPhail's stack
SVGL: http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/112/SVGL

I posted a small update of SVGL (Not SVGL + Gradients)
in this forum thread:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25612&start=15

Please test this updated version of SVGL, importing first all included svg
within the included folder and import any other svg that you want, or
download them from OpenClipart.org

Send me your files that produce errors with SVGL 2015 rev01 to study and
produce code that allows to import them without errors.

Please, notice the following: Livecode vector graphics only use integer
(1,2,3,4,5...) for displaying graphics strokes (borders). This limitation
could be a barrier to import and display faithfully many professional
illustrations created or exported to SVG format.

A better option for LC8 developers will be to use the widget architecture
that could render an display exactly any imported SVG...
but for LC7 users and developers, SVGL still is our best choice.

As explained by Mark Waddingham:
"Actually, the first task I set Ian (one of our engineers) to do when
he first joined was to first write something which converted a
simple language I had designed ('SVGL') into vector graphic objects;
and then write an SVG -> SVGL converter."
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2015-October/220199.html

In another message thread, Mark Waddingham explained really well
the issues around importing and displaying SVG:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2015-October/220198.html
Hopefully, LiveCode will provide an option in the IDE to open a SVG editor
to edit any svg displayed in the stack.

Again, many thanks for keeping alive your interest in this topic!
Have a nice day!

Alejandro


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Nov 11 05:24:20 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:24:20 -0800
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <CAN3QPOwPsf82j2hYP4xkNTEvY-3cJKfFqSb1XwrpS7xUPv7cTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwPsf82j2hYP4xkNTEvY-3cJKfFqSb1XwrpS7xUPv7cTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2685320.71812%scott@tactilemedia.com>

On 11/11/15, 1:00 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Alejandro Tejada"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:


>Please, notice the following: Livecode vector graphics only use integer
>(1,2,3,4,5...) for displaying graphics strokes (borders). This limitation
>could be a barrier to import and display faithfully many professional
>illustrations created or exported to SVG format.


Unfortunately, this is quite true, and relates to the same issue mentioned
by Richard Gaskin the other day:

> The difference between a true Bezier object and emulating Beziers with
> polygons is resolution.  Polygons can be made to like very good on
> screen, but cannot be made to resize larger, or print to a printer with
> higher resolution than the monitor, with the same smoothness as a true
> Bezier curve object.


Currently, the point system of LiveCode's default graphics is based on
full 1-pixel units, which limits the degree of subtlety that can be
applied to a graphic.  Until the "shape" object materializes and/or bezier
curves, it isn't possible to create a graphic with smooth articulated
curves that scales well to any size.  And even then, only LiveCode 8 and
later will be able to take advantage of it.


For the moment, one workaround is to display a graphic at a large size,
snapshot it as an image, and reduce the image down using "good" or "best"
resizeQuality.  While this can make for a decent looking object, it
defeats the purpose of using a graphic in the first place.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design





From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 06:55:12 2015
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:55:12 +0000
Subject: intersection point of two graphic line segments
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHVDxncegxrg249EOU21O0P+MQth4KOz1cSQGrHfikh=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C4F3769-CE7F-4C19-A5DE-75999511C132@gmail.com>

I just want to run an idea by list members.

I am looking at creating ?overpasses? inserted into one grc line segment over another where they cross.  I can use intersect to determine if any (newly created or moved) lines cross any other(s) already existing.  However, that doesn?t tell you where the intersection is, and thus where the overpass should be.

There are a number of mathematical solutions to this problem, based on knowing the x,y coordinates of the lines, but they look pretty horrible to my eye <http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/375083/given-coordinates-of-beginning-and-end-of-two-intersecting-line-segments-how-do> and non-mathematical brain.

My cheaters idea is to check for intersections with intersect, then if true ?drag? with the line tool between the source and origin of each grc line, then check the points of the drawn lines for matching coordinates.  This has the advantage of easily accommodating some of the mathematically challenging situations, when two line segments are partly or wholly contiguous.

Has anybody dealt with this before, perhaps on a flowcharting app with connectors between boxes?  If so, any downside to my proposed solution?

Cheers,

David G

From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Nov 11 06:54:49 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:54:49 +0100
Subject: AW: Standalone Internet Access Errors
In-Reply-To: <F461FD9A-385D-416F-950B-5365ECEE72A0@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <mailman.3.1447153202.14614.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<F461FD9A-385D-416F-950B-5365ECEE72A0@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <006201d11c77$c5039f90$4f0adeb0$@kestner.de>

Hi Dan,

if the same App trying to reach the same URL is working at some customers
and at some not, it is obviously a thing on the customers computer side.
When I get the message "host address not found" in my App it is almost
always that the customers computer is not a single "private PC", but is
located in a network with either a proxy server or a special (not windows)
network firewall (or sometimes an additional firewall on a private PC).
Are your customer only "private" customers with "home networks"?
Tiemo



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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von Dan Friedman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. November 2015 08:28
An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Betreff: Standalone Internet Access Errors

I have a standalone app that users download, unzip, and run.   This works
fine.  However, from time to time I get a call from a customer, typically on
a windows computer, that the app is unable to reach the internet.  My
standalone is getting timeout errors, and "Host address not found" messages
when trying to access the internet.  Usually, disabling security settings on
the users computer will resolve the problem.  But, now and then that doesn't
work or they can't find the service on their system that is blocking my app.
I know it's not a url or domain issue because the very website the app it
trying to reach is the same server they downloaded the app.  I think the
issue is that the app it's self is being blocked.  I wonder if it's because
it's not being installed by a MSI installer and therefore is untrusted.  I'm
not a windows expert by any means and am a bit perplexed.  Does anyone have
any knowledge of this or have any advice?

Any thoughts are appreciated!

-Dan
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:34:29 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:34:29 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A4B8182-4916-42ED-A5AE-4731D5DBC9BB@gmail.com>

There may be other factors more important for speed, but one thing is to avoid having to access the contents of a field 1.5 billion times, by putting fld 1 into a variable, say "maxNbr", and then doing

repeat until i > maxNbr?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> I'm playing with a challenge to calculate the sum of the primes less than
> 3,000,000,000
> 
> So far I have this, which gets the job done for the primes up to about a
> billion, but then dies (the whole app) without even a dialog. It's also not
> very fast. It would probably take an hour or two to finish.
> 
> Any suggestions for efficiency or non-crashed-ness?
> 
> function bAdd x,y
> -- adds two positive numbers of arbitrary length
>   put 0 into c
>   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y))
>      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
>      put char -14 to -1 of c before r
>      delete char -14 to -1 of c
>   end repeat
>   return c & r
> end bAdd
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put 2 into T
>   put 0 into S
>   put 3 into i
>   repeat until i > fld 1 -- fld 1 contains 3000000000
>      if P[i] is empty then
>         put bAdd(i,T) into T
>         put i & comma after P[i*3]
>      else
>         repeat for each item x in P[i]
>            put x & comma after P[i + x + x]
>         end repeat
>         delete P[i]
>      end if
>      if the seconds > S then
>         put the seconds into S
>         put i && T into fld 2
>         unlock screen
>         lock screen
>      end if
>      add 2 to i
>   end repeat
>   put i && T into fld 2
> end mouseUp
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Nov 11 07:54:10 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:54:10 +0100
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8606.1447127681.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Hi all,

as the livecode solutions tend to become rather slow if there is a certain amount of nesting involved, I want to come up with a shell alternative to directorywalking. something like

? [snip]
set the hideconsoleWindows to true
switch
  case ?win? is in the platform
    put "dir " & tPath && "/b /s /A-D" into tShellCommand
  ? tPath needs to be a Windows path using backslashes and needs to be quoted
  break
  case ?linux? is in the platform
    ? todo
  break
  case ?mac? is in the platform
  ? todo
  break
end switch
return shell(tShellCommand
?[snap]

This returns for example:
C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_1.JPG
C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_2.JPG
C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_1.JPG
C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_2.JPG
C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_3.JPG
?

where tpath was:
"C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte?

Can anyone help me with the Linux and Mac counterparts. Ideally with the same output?

Best,

Malte




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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Nov 11 08:08:46 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:08:46 +0100
Subject: intersection point of two graphic line segments
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8606.1447127681.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Hi David,

> Has anybody dealt with this before

I have methods to deal with this in animationEngine. :-)

Cheers,

Malte



From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 08:18:51 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Mike Doub)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:18:51 -0500
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.8606.1447127681.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <f78c1723-172a-40a1-97e0-7861b8af9fd1@typeapp.com>

I think the issue you are going to run into is going to be the output format.? On both Mac and Linux you are going to be using the "ls -R" command. 

Do a search on unix ls command and you can see some example outputs in some of the articles. 

-= Mike 



On Nov 11, 2015, 7:54 AM, at 7:54 AM, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>as the livecode solutions tend to become rather slow if there is a
>certain amount of nesting involved, I want to come up with a shell
>alternative to directorywalking. something like
>
>? [snip]
>set the hideconsoleWindows to true
>switch
>  case ?win? is in the platform
>    put "dir " & tPath && "/b /s /A-D" into tShellCommand
>? tPath needs to be a Windows path using backslashes and needs to be
>quoted
>  break
>  case ?linux? is in the platform
>    ? todo
>  break
>  case ?mac? is in the platform
>  ? todo
>  break
>end switch
>return shell(tShellCommand
>?[snap]
>
>This returns for example:
>C:\Users\Malte
>Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_1.JPG
>C:\Users\Malte
>Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_2.JPG
>C:\Users\Malte
>Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_1.JPG
>C:\Users\Malte
>Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_2.JPG
>C:\Users\Malte
>Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_3.JPG
>?
>
>where tpath was:
>"C:\Users\Malte
>Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte?
>
>Can anyone help me with the Linux and Mac counterparts. Ideally with
>the same output?
>
>Best,
>
>Malte
>
>
>
>
>--
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From james at thehales.id.au  Wed Nov 11 08:22:29 2015
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:22:29 +1100
Subject: Formatting a number with two or more decimal points
Message-ID: <3CF650AE-1999-45A5-BC62-19042B820385@thehales.id.au>

You could just use the replace function.

function newnum pnum
   put offset(".",pnum,3) into trem
   if trem = 0 then --only a single decimal
      return pnum
   else
      --we have more than on decimal, remove good number for later
      put char 1 to trem+2 of pnum into newnum
      delete char 1 to trem+2 of pnum
      --fix remaining numbers
      replace "." with " 0." in pnum
      --return the lot
      return newnum&pnum 
      end if
end newnum

This assumes the numbers to unpack are less than 100 (i.e. 99.99 is the largest).

If not, you would need to adjust the initial conditional to work out if there was a compaction.

James







From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Nov 11 08:22:45 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:22:45 +0100
Subject: Standalone Internet Access Errors
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Hi Dan,

is this with the 7 engine?
If the app launches ok, it can not be blocked in general. However, I have seen similar problems on windows but did not nail it yet. My problems were on the intranet though. The weird thing is, that using the IP address instead of the server name usually resolved the problem. So my first suspicion was that the DNS entry was resolved too slowly. It might be something different though, because I had the chance to see the problem where some machines were able to reach the server, while others were not. In that case the users that had problems reaching the server were logged in as domain users, while the others had a standard user account.

What cured the problem finally and made me not investigate any further was that for that project, a replacement for libURL was used.

Not sure if this helps much.

Cheers,

Malte




From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Nov 11 08:40:31 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:40:31 +0100
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
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References: <mailman.1.1447239601.19961.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8E906D22-3059-466D-9FCC-3934C367DC51@derbrill.de>

Hi Mike,

thanks for the reply!

For the Mac I seem to be able to use:

put "find -d tree? && tPath &&  "-type f? into tShellCommand

For Windows of course I forgot to replace the backslashes with slashes.

Not sure if find is available and has the same switches on Linux though?

All the best,

Malte


> I think the issue you are going to run into is going to be the output format.  On both Mac and Linux you are going to be using the "ls -R" command. 
> 
> Do a search on unix ls command and you can see some example outputs in some of the articles. 
> 
> -= Mike 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2015, 7:54 AM, at 7:54 AM, Malte Brill <
> revolution at derbrill.de
> > wrote:
> >
> Hi all,
> 
> >
> >
> as the livecode solutions tend to become rather slow if there is a
> 
> >
> certain amount of nesting involved, I want to come up with a shell
> 
> >
> alternative to directorywalking. something like
> 
> >
> >
> ? [snip]
> 
> >set the hideconsoleWindows to true
> >
> switch
> 
> >
>   case ?win? is in the platform
> 
> >
>     put "dir " & tPath && "/b /s /A-D" into tShellCommand
> 
> >
> ? tPath needs to be a Windows path using backslashes and needs to be
> 
> >
> quoted
> 
> >
>   break
> 
> >
>   case ?linux? is in the platform
> 
> >
>     ? todo
> 
> >
>   break
> 
> >
>   case ?mac? is in the platform
> 
> >
>   ? todo
> 
> >
>   break
> 
> >
> end switch
> 
> >
> return shell(tShellCommand
> 
> >
> ?[snap]
> 
> >
> >
> This returns for example:
> 
> >
> C:\Users\Malte
> 
> >
> Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_1.JPG
> 
> >
> C:\Users\Malte
> 
> >
> Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_2.JPG
> 
> >
> C:\Users\Malte
> 
> >
> Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_1.JPG
> 
> >
> C:\Users\Malte
> 
> >
> Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_2.JPG
> 
> >
> C:\Users\Malte
> 
> >
> Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_3.JPG
> 
> >
> ?
> 
> >
> >
> where tpath was:
> 
> >
> "C:\Users\Malte
> 
> >
> Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte?
> 
> >
> >
> Can anyone help me with the Linux and Mac counterparts. Ideally with
> 
> >
> the same output?
> 
> >
> >
> Best,
> 
> >
> >Malte
> 




From peter.brett at livecode.com  Wed Nov 11 09:11:56 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:11:56 +0000
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <8E906D22-3059-466D-9FCC-3934C367DC51@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.1.1447239601.19961.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<8E906D22-3059-466D-9FCC-3934C367DC51@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <56434CAC.80602@livecode.com>

On 11/11/2015 13:40, Malte Brill wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> thanks for the reply!
>
> For the Mac I seem to be able to use:
>
> put "find -d tree? && tPath &&  "-type f? into tShellCommand
>
> For Windows of course I forgot to replace the backslashes with slashes.
>
> Not sure if find is available and has the same switches on Linux though?

I recommend:

     find -depth tree [tPath] type f

This is POSIX compliant and will work on both Linux and Mac.

                                       Peter

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LiveCode Open Source Team

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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 09:29:49 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:29:49 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <9A4B8182-4916-42ED-A5AE-4731D5DBC9BB@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A4B8182-4916-42ED-A5AE-4731D5DBC9BB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoe3yUQqJ4kAM58Fu973vt07FuVXtoxsOE13F2DgpLXgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ha, caught me being lazy. For loops like

repeat with i = 1 to fld 1

there is (almost) no difference -- the field gets referenced one time at
the start and that's it.

But since I was lazy about how a loop with "step 2" in it would exit, I was
slower.

Thanks!

gc

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> There may be other factors more important for speed, but one thing is to
> avoid having to access the contents of a field 1.5 billion times, by
> putting fld 1 into a variable, say "maxNbr", and then doing
>
> repeat until i > maxNbr?
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
> > I'm playing with a challenge to calculate the sum of the primes less than
> > 3,000,000,000
> >
> > So far I have this, which gets the job done for the primes up to about a
> > billion, but then dies (the whole app) without even a dialog. It's also
> not
> > very fast. It would probably take an hour or two to finish.
> >
> > Any suggestions for efficiency or non-crashed-ness?
> >
> > function bAdd x,y
> > -- adds two positive numbers of arbitrary length
> >   put 0 into c
> >   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y))
> >      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
> >      put char -14 to -1 of c before r
> >      delete char -14 to -1 of c
> >   end repeat
> >   return c & r
> > end bAdd
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >   put 2 into T
> >   put 0 into S
> >   put 3 into i
> >   repeat until i > fld 1 -- fld 1 contains 3000000000
> >      if P[i] is empty then
> >         put bAdd(i,T) into T
> >         put i & comma after P[i*3]
> >      else
> >         repeat for each item x in P[i]
> >            put x & comma after P[i + x + x]
> >         end repeat
> >         delete P[i]
> >      end if
> >      if the seconds > S then
> >         put the seconds into S
> >         put i && T into fld 2
> >         unlock screen
> >         lock screen
> >      end if
> >      add 2 to i
> >   end repeat
> >   put i && T into fld 2
> > end mouseUp
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From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 09:52:32 2015
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:52:32 +0000
Subject: intersection point of two graphic line segments
In-Reply-To: <79756137-1A1F-443D-80DB-FA0B9755A5B2@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.8606.1447127681.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<79756137-1A1F-443D-80DB-FA0B9755A5B2@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <575D0589-6F55-4C5C-A98C-E78472F62C17@gmail.com>

Well, that?s piqued my interest.

Not easy to find animation AnimationEngine, so what would detecting intersections and creating overpasses involve using AnimationEngine?

D

> On 11 Nov 2015, at 1:08 pm, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
>> Has anybody dealt with this before
> 
> I have methods to deal with this in animationEngine. :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Malte
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:01:21 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:01:21 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <1447229929835-4698670.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1447229929835-4698670.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpn_xst7=ULhJnX=wmUekUZwumW3Z4RxBYaeJY_ZHU=vw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:18 AM, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Have a look here for a few examples.
>
> http://2108.co.uk/questions/question/primes-between-20-and-700/
> <http://2108.co.uk/questions/question/primes-between-20-and-700/>
>
>
Interesting examples, but unfortunately none of them are even remotely as
efficient in space or time as my code is, and my code still takes longer
than I would like, and kills LC before hitting 1 billion.


From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Nov 11 10:04:01 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:04:01 +0100
Subject: intersection point of two graphic line segments
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1447239601.19961.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1447239601.19961.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8913605F-F3F4-4E70-9DAC-C8C25ADBDB21@derbrill.de>

Hi David,

http://www.derbrill.de/animationEngine6.zip <http://www.derbrill.de/animationEngine6.zip>

ae is dual licensed (GPL3 / commercial) Stack is unlocked and the zip Contains a PDF + some examples. What you will be interested in:

lineSegmentIntersectionPoint(x1,y1,x2,y2,x3,y3,x4,y4)

get lineSegmentIntersectionPoint(100,200,120,210,0,0,140,220)

This function returns the intersectionpoint of 2 line segments or "no intersectionPoint" if the line segments do not intersect.



All the best,

Malte 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Nov 11 10:47:06 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:47:06 -0800
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
References: <586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <564362FA.3060008@fourthworld.com>

Malte Brill wrote:
 > as the livecode solutions tend to become rather slow if there is
 > a certain amount of nesting involved, I want to come up with a shell
 > alternative to directorywalking.

I would be interested in your benchmarks.

In my own (limited) testing I've found that once we added appropriate 
error checking for inaccessible directories the many common LC routines 
floating around for this sort of thing work quite well.

Similarly, in another thread you wrote:
 > What cured the problem finally and made me not investigate any
 > further was that for that project, a replacement for libURL was used.

If that was for capabilities not found in libURL there's no other option 
yet, but in my testing of libURL vs wget for simple HTTP access I found 
that the shell overhead wound up making libURL faster by more than 20%.

Even better:  Mark Talluto recently found a significant performance 
degradation in v7+ in which his tests show other forms of variable 
manipulations to be much faster in v7+ than in v6 and earlier:
<http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16387>

Mark Waddingham is working on the specific recipe reported there now, 
and last I heard is on his way to improving the array-loading test case 
to be more on par with non-array variable loading.

Better still: Mark recently revamped the lineoffset function to greatly 
improve its performance.  In v7 the Unicode libraries afforded an 
opportunity to add a very valuable feature to lineoffset, the ability to 
use even a multi-character string as the lineDel.  However, the 
pattern-matching needed for multi-char strings is much more complex than 
for a single char which has slowed it down for the most common 
single-char use case, so now the engine uses a different method for 
single- and multi-byte chars to optimize each usage.

When these get folded into a delivered build (v8DP9 I presume) it would 
be helpful to re-check earlier benchmarks.

In the meantime, with directory crawls and HTTP it may be helpful to 
re-check benchmarks compared with shell functions even in DP8, since 
apparently a lot of optimization work has been going on in recent 
versions, as setting up the shell context is not without its own overhead.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Nov 11 10:52:40 2015
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:52:40 -0800
Subject: Standalone Internet Access Errors
Message-ID: <89677636-39B7-4920-9D15-A41AA0EE9B5E@clearvisiontech.com>

Malte,

Yes, 7.0.1.   When this happens, it's usually on user's home computer.  Which I would assume is a standard user account.  What did you replace libURL with?   

-Dan



> Hi Dan,
> 
> is this with the 7 engine?
> If the app launches ok, it can not be blocked in general. However, I have seen similar problems on windows but did not nail it yet. My problems were on the intranet though. The weird thing is, that using the IP address instead of the server name usually resolved the problem. So my first suspicion was that the DNS entry was resolved too slowly. It might be something different though, because I had the chance to see the problem where some machines were able to reach the server, while others were not. In that case the users that had problems reaching the server were logged in as domain users, while the others had a standard user account.
> 
> What cured the problem finally and made me not investigate any further was that for that project, a replacement for libURL was used.
> 
> Not sure if this helps much.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Malte




From kevin at livecode.com  Wed Nov 11 10:52:58 2015
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:52:58 +0000
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <564362FA.3060008@fourthworld.com>
References: <586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
	<564362FA.3060008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D269147A.911D9%kevin@livecode.com>

Indeed he has. However I suspect that it may be this patch in fact goes
into DP10 as it is still undergoing final refinements. We are keen to keep
the momentum up with 8 and would like to get a DP9 out imminently to
resolve some other issues that have come up. We will be aiming for a DP10
only days behind though, so not long to wait (touchwood!).

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 11/11/2015 15:47, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>Better still: Mark recently revamped the lineoffset function to greatly
>improve its performance.  In v7 the Unicode libraries afforded an
>opportunity to add a very valuable feature to lineoffset, the ability to
>use even a multi-character string as the lineDel.  However, the
>pattern-matching needed for multi-char strings is much more complex than
>for a single char which has slowed it down for the most common
>single-char use case, so now the engine uses a different method for
>single- and multi-byte chars to optimize each usage.
>
>When these get folded into a delivered build (v8DP9 I presume) it would
>be helpful to re-check earlier benchmarks.
>





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Nov 11 11:01:24 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:01:24 +0000
Subject: Formatting a number with two or more decimal points
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DqXj_NsGmqG=6Mwp+ZpzZdE6Kp+JWQM--M=H8qCuAhhwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN3QPOwHxZNohN=RVRVHg-6DGsuLSdn8Qs0YO40Nwjp+gKLBjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+S82DqXj_NsGmqG=6Mwp+ZpzZdE6Kp+JWQM--M=H8qCuAhhwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568BC52C-FD22-4F71-926E-FBFB39C05D4C@iotecdigital.com>

A number with more than one period... is not a number. An IP address is not a number. It's a period delimited list of decimal values ranging from 0 to 255. It may help to think of them as such. 

Bob S





From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Nov 11 11:03:17 2015
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:03:17 -0800
Subject: AW: Standalone Internet Access Errors
Message-ID: <AFDB4D47-45F2-42CA-9ECF-D9EB0D736C26@clearvisiontech.com>

Tiemo,

I'm not a Windows or network expert, so I don't think I understand the complete meaning of "private".  But, my customers are just normal folks on their home computers.  Today, almost everyone has a home network, so I'm sure there is a network in play.  And who knows how they have it configured?

What they usually tell me is "All my other programs work just fine".

Since it's only my app that was not "installed", and it launches and seems to run fine but can't "see" the internet, I figured the issue was some type of "anit-someing" software on their computer is blocking my app from reaching the internet.  Does that not ring true to you?

-Dan

> Hi Dan,
> 
> if the same App trying to reach the same URL is working at some customers and at some not, it is obviously a thing on the customers computer side. When I get the message "host address not found" in my App it is almost always that the customers computer is not a single "private PC", but is located in a network with either a proxy server or a special (not windows) network firewall (or sometimes an additional firewall on a private PC). Are your customer only "private" customers with "home networks"?
> Tiemo




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Nov 11 11:06:25 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:06:25 +0000
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <D269147A.911D9%kevin@livecode.com>
References: <586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
	<564362FA.3060008@fourthworld.com> <D269147A.911D9%kevin@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <FB61FB37-5652-435E-8161-2E8068FB898B@iotecdigital.com>

Whoa! So long as the tree is in your own yard... ;-)

Bob S


On Nov 11, 2015, at 07:52 , Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com<mailto:kevin at livecode.com>> wrote:

so not long to wait (touchwood!).



From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Wed Nov 11 11:04:17 2015
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:04:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App
	is Up
In-Reply-To: <563FF809.7090204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
	<1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563FA6D3.2050205@hindu.org>
	<1447028088184-4698617.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563FF809.7090204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1447257857847-4698693.post@n4.nabble.com>

Looking forward to viewing this once it comes out in the appStore.

Mark



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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:27:32 2015
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:27:32 +0100
Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is
	Up
In-Reply-To: <1447257857847-4698693.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org>
	<1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org>
	<1447004274011-4698603.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563FA6D3.2050205@hindu.org>
	<1447028088184-4698617.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<563FF809.7090204@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1447257857847-4698693.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO86zOQGXy7R5Bd62iEJnO2tf0RBCb-ZzArTEbMX6s5nog@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice app. It works fine in my smartphone.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
> Looking forward to viewing this once it comes out in the appStore.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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From hh at livecode.org  Wed Nov 11 11:32:57 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:32:57 +0100
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
Message-ID: <C701836A-EFC7-4155-8BFB-6B0051267667@livecode.org>

> Alex T. wrote:
> For the area calculation, it is actually marginally faster without the 
> "delete line 1 of p" - i.e. as Geoff Canyon suggested.
> ...
> So omitting the "delete line 1 of p" is more efficient - as well as 
> being one line fewer of code.

You are right, of course. I read the thread too fast and overlooked the advice of G.C.
It was a silly thing to delete that first line (I'm still a greenhorn). But you are wrong with your last statement, it's only half a line fewer ;-)

I tested again also for other improvements.
[Secondary result is: LC 6 has at least double speed compared to LC 7-8].

Essential effects had the reduction of the "item-getting" in the "old" function (cited below). It's surprising for the area-only computation.

(I also removed the rounding. It's better do have the method of rounding still available.)
(A param "@p" gave here no improvement, tested for large p.)

-- Centroid and area of a non-intersecting, oriented and closed polygon.
-- See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Area_and_centroid
-- The following function claims to be the fastest for computing centroid (and area):
function polyCentroidandArea2 p 
   local A=0, x=0, y=0
   put line 1 of p into L1
   put item 1 of L1 into x0; put item 2 of L1 into y0
   repeat for each line L in p
      put item 1 of L into x1; put item 2 of L into y1
      put x0 * y1 - x1 * y0 into t
      add (x0 + x1) * t to x; add (y0 + y1) * t to y
      add t to A; put x1 into x0; put y1 into y0
   end repeat
   if A is 0 then return false
   else return ( true, x/(3*A), y/(3*A) , abs(A/2) )
end polyCentroidandArea2

-- usage:
-- put polyCentroidandArea2(p) into c0
-- if (item 1 of c0) then
--    put item 2 to 3 of c0 into myCentroid
--    put item 4 of c0 into myArea
-- else put "<yourFourLetterWord>" into fld "INFO"

-- Based on a technique by Alex T., Geoff C. and Roger G.
-- Area of a non-intersecting, oriented and closed polygon:
-- The following function claims to be the fastest for computing the area:
function polyArea2 p
   local A=0
   put line 1 of p into L1
   put item 1 of L1 into x0; put item 2 of L1 into y0
   repeat for each line L in p
      put item 1 of L into x1; put item 2 of L into y1
      add x0 * y1 - x1 * y0 to A
      put x1 into x0; put y1 into y0
   end repeat
   return abs(A/2)
end polyArea2

SPEEDTEST with a large non-selfintersecting closed polygon
[The testpoints/testgrahic can be generated by command "testPoints"]

32001 points/lines, 10 repeats. The values "x/y" denote
x=millisecs per computation with the new method above
y=millisecs per computation with the old method below

LC 6.7.8-rc3 centroidAndArea 41/46   ( areaOnly 22/27  )
LC 7.1.1-rc3 centroidAndArea 92/155  ( areaOnly 70/110 )
LC 8.0.0-dp8 centroidAndArea 92/155  ( areaOnly 70/110 )

These were the "old" functions.
> function polyCentroidandArea p
>     put line 1 of p into K
>     put 0 into A; put 0 into x; put 0 into y
>     repeat for each line L in p
>       put (item 1 of K) * (item 2 of L) - (item 1 of L) * (item 2 of K) into t
>       add ((item 1 of K) + (item 1 of L)) * t to x
>       add ((item 2 of K) + (item 2 of L)) * t to y
>       add t to A; put L into K
>     end repeat
>     if A is 0 then return "Area is zero"
>     else return ( round(x/(3*A)) , round(y/(3*A)) ) & cr & abs(A/2)
> end polyCentroidandArea

> function polyArea p
>     put line 1 of p into K; delete line 1 of p
>     repeat for each line L in p
>       add (item 1 of K) * (item 2 of L) - (item 1 of L) * (item 2 of K) to A
>       put L into K
>     end repeat
>     return abs(A/2)
> end polyArea

-- Command creates a polygon with testpoints, deviating randomly
-- its y-coordonates from an approximate ellipse.
-- n0 = num of points, r0 = y-radius, r2 = x-radius, lc = centerpoint
on testPoints lc
   local n0=32000, r0=128, r1=10000 --> adjust these values
   if lc is empty then
     put 0 into x; put 0 into y
   else
     put item 1 of lc into x; put item 2 of lc into y
   end if
   if there is no grc "poly" then create grc "poly"
   set style of grc "poly" to "polygon"; set lineSize of grc "poly" to 2
   set foreColor of grc "poly" to (255,255,0)
   set editmode of grc "poly" to "polygon" --> great feature of LC
   set randomseed to 1447250307 --> now we get always the same points generated
   put 2*pi/n0 into cn; put empty into pts
   repeat with j= 0 to n0
      put cr & ( x + r1*cos(j*cn), \
            y + (r0 + random(64) - (j mod 2)*random(128))*sin(j*cn) ) after pts
   end repeat
   delete char 1 of pts -- is cr
   set points of grc "poly" to pts --> LC engine rounds for us
end testPoints

Note: There arises a lot of identical points or vertical up/down-movements due to rounding when the points of the graphic are set. This has no influence on the results above (a little bit on speed only).

=====
Love is just a four-letter-word.


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Nov 11 11:52:40 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:52:40 -0500
Subject: AW: Standalone Internet Access Errors
In-Reply-To: <AFDB4D47-45F2-42CA-9ECF-D9EB0D736C26@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <AFDB4D47-45F2-42CA-9ECF-D9EB0D736C26@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <56437258.1030903@researchware.com>

On 11/11/2015 11:03 AM, Dan Friedman wrote:
> Since it's only my app that was not "installed", and it launches and seems to run fine but can't "see" the internet, I figured the issue was some type of "anit-someing" software on their computer is blocking my app from reaching the internet.  Does that not ring true to you?

Is your software code signed? If not, that would cause some OSes to warn
or prevent download and/or installation, but I have not heard of a lack
of code signing preventing Internet access. However a number of Internet
security program can block Internet access if your application is using
a non-standard port.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Nov 11 11:59:04 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:59:04 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: Standalone Internet Access Errors
In-Reply-To: <AFDB4D47-45F2-42CA-9ECF-D9EB0D736C26@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <AFDB4D47-45F2-42CA-9ECF-D9EB0D736C26@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <007401d11ca2$45faa970$d1effc50$@kestner.de>

With "private" I meant standard "home-networks"

I don't think it has something to do with "installed" / "just launched". As
Malte said, if it would be a security problem from not being installed, it
would be blocked while launching.

Standard "home-router-firewalls" and the standard windows firewall on home
computers let your program connect to the internet. My experience is always
additional soft- or hardware, as it typically appears in company or school
networks, but also can appear in home networks. Sometimes I have customers,
who have the "ultimate super dooper security suite" from Symantic, MacAfee
or else installed and have no idea, how to configure those software, nore
know, how to react, if the firewall asks for permissions. This is the only
case in my experience, where my program gets blocked on home computers.

Tiemo



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Dan Friedman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. November 2015 17:03
An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Betreff: Re: AW: Standalone Internet Access Errors

Tiemo,

I'm not a Windows or network expert, so I don't think I understand the
complete meaning of "private".  But, my customers are just normal folks on
their home computers.  Today, almost everyone has a home network, so I'm
sure there is a network in play.  And who knows how they have it configured?

What they usually tell me is "All my other programs work just fine".

Since it's only my app that was not "installed", and it launches and seems
to run fine but can't "see" the internet, I figured the issue was some type
of "anit-someing" software on their computer is blocking my app from
reaching the internet.  Does that not ring true to you?

-Dan

> Hi Dan,
> 
> if the same App trying to reach the same URL is working at some customers
and at some not, it is obviously a thing on the customers computer side.
When I get the message "host address not found" in my App it is almost
always that the customers computer is not a single "private PC", but is
located in a network with either a proxy server or a special (not windows)
network firewall (or sometimes an additional firewall on a private PC). Are
your customer only "private" customers with "home networks"?
> Tiemo


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From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:27:21 2015
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:27:21 +0000
Subject: intersection point of two graphic line segments
In-Reply-To: <8913605F-F3F4-4E70-9DAC-C8C25ADBDB21@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.1.1447239601.19961.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<8913605F-F3F4-4E70-9DAC-C8C25ADBDB21@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <96DB84F2-D8E1-4A91-B4C9-72D07FF14EA7@gmail.com>

Thanks Malte!

> On 11 Nov 2015, at 3:04 pm, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> http://www.derbrill.de/animationEngine6.zip <http://www.derbrill.de/animationEngine6.zip>
> 
> ae is dual licensed (GPL3 / commercial) Stack is unlocked and the zip Contains a PDF + some examples. What you will be interested in:
> 
> lineSegmentIntersectionPoint(x1,y1,x2,y2,x3,y3,x4,y4)
> 
> get lineSegmentIntersectionPoint(100,200,120,210,0,0,140,220)
> 
> This function returns the intersectionpoint of 2 line segments or "no intersectionPoint" if the line segments do not intersect.
> 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Malte 
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From hh at livecode.org  Wed Nov 11 14:15:53 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:15:53 +0100
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
Message-ID: <0093BC24-76E3-4B40-A42E-79A9F2DCBC60@livecode.org>

> Scott R. wrote:
> Currently, the point system of LiveCode's default graphics is based on
> full 1-pixel units, which limits the degree of subtlety that can be
> applied to a graphic.  Until the "shape" object materializes and/or
> bezier curves, it isn't possible to create a graphic with smooth
> articulated curves that scales well to any size.  And even then, only
> LiveCode 8 and later will be able to take advantage of it.

I don't agree with such a banalizing of LC's graphics method which is pretty good. Especially you know that and told us a several nifty techniques. And I like it very much to have a one-to-one access to the pixels of my display (for the points of my printer I use TeX).

SVG/ postscript/pdf don't "scale" to other devices, that's what LC does. The others *recompute* the raster according to the stored mathematical model (incl. a lot of simple line segments) and they "scale" embedded images, often badly smoothed.
We could also store the floating point coords or generating math models with every graphic object and recompute a smooth display-points version with every rescaling of the objects or change of device. It's sadly difficult, but it's already possible.

There is still a lot to do for the LC team with graphics  a set of selected library additions for LC 8 could go, for example, as externals to LC 6-7, perhaps also by Monte?).

Nevertheless: We are the graphic barbarians, not LC.




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:21:23 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:21:23 -0400
Subject: Formatting a number with two or more decimal points
Message-ID: <CAN3QPOxi+Uag-Lj3zD9HZszaiEGgpZh_V4VjvFg788EbhaagVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

on Wed Nov 11, Matt Maier wrote:
> This works with the two cases you described.
> I've heard that "repeat while" isn't the fastest option,
> but it sounded like 6 repeats would be an extreme
> case, so it probably doesn't matter...

on Wed Nov 11, James Hale wrote:
> You could just use the replace function.
> [snip]
> This assumes the numbers to unpack are less
> than 100 (i.e. 99.99 is the largest).
> If not, you would need to adjust the initial conditional
> to work out if there was a compaction.

  Great! Many Thanks to Matt and James for posting this code :D
I found an example of 13 numbers in a single word within a svg file.

I have already included Matt's handler in the stack
SVGL_2015_rev01 posted within this thread in the forums:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25612&p=134343#p134309

Later today, I will test James handler.

After completed all revisions, I will include links to your messages in the
mail list or forum to acknowledge your contributions.

Many Thanks for your help to update this stack!
You could download the Original SVGL stack from:
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/112/SVGL

Alejandro


From skip at magicgate.com  Wed Nov 11 16:05:42 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:05:42 -0500
Subject: Detailed system information
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon,

Has anybody created a script to get detailed information from the user in a
standalone so that it can be sent back for debugging?

Out of the box I am only finding "systemInformation" and "the platform"

I would love to get many more details such as (on a Windows machine) the
version of the operating system, browsers installed and versions of those,
etc.

I was about to start writing code to dig into the registry but I thought I
would ask here first.

Thank you!

SKIP KIMPEL


From dfepstein at comcast.net  Wed Nov 11 16:32:32 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:32:32 -0500
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
Message-ID: <610EF412-3B63-46B5-8003-7BBC3EBED2BA@comcast.net>

Thanks to Scott Rossi, whose example is indeed what I am trying to do, and to Matt Maier, who warns me that there are aspects of mouseMove I don't quite understand.
In trying to see why Scott's example works and mine does not, I discovered that my "mouseleave" handler seemed to be the problem.  If I have "on mouseleave, go card 1, end mouse leave" in my script, then the mouseMove message stops firing after it triggers one change of card, perhaps because that change of card makes LC think I have "left" the control my mouse was moving in.  (But why does it not still detect a "mousemove" on that same control on the card I have moved to?  It seems like mouseMove doesn't start reporting unless there has been a "mouseEnter" event, and with my change of card my mouse did not enter the control because it was already in it).
Adding my mouseLeave handler to Scott's script won't show this unless I also change the points of his polygon so that it is a single rectangle rather than 3 non-adjacent rectangles.  With his polygon, the mouse really is "leaving" and then re-entering the polygon when it moves from one rectangle to the next; so that on each change of card there is a new mouseEnter event that restarts the mouseMove message stream.
I tried Matt?s idea of catching all mouseMoves, but still had problems.  So I have placed the entire ?quick browse? diagram in a separate palette, where mouseMove is not bothered by card changes in the main stack.
David Epstein




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Nov 11 16:38:07 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:38:07 -0800
Subject: Detailed system information
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5643B53F.8080802@fourthworld.com>

Skip Kimpel wrote:

> Has anybody created a script to get detailed information from the user in a
> standalone so that it can be sent back for debugging?
>
> Out of the box I am only finding "systemInformation" and "the platform"
>
> I would love to get many more details such as (on a Windows machine) the
> version of the operating system, browsers installed and versions of those,
> etc.
>
> I was about to start writing code to dig into the registry but I thought I
> would ask here first.
>
> Thank you!

Here's one example of a system profiler I wrote a long time ago, 
hopefully this will give you some ideas for your own:



function fwGestalt
   put "System Profile"&cr into tReport
   put the long date &", "& the time &cr&cr after tReport
   --
   put "Application:" &tab& "MyApp" &cr after tReport
   --
   get the uVersion of cd 1 of stack "MyApp"
   if it is empty then get "N/A"
   put "Version:"  &tab& it &cr after tReport
   --
   get the address
   set the itemDel to ":"
   delete item 1 of it
   put "Location:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
   set the itemdel to comma
   --
   If the platform is "MacOS" then put "Mac OS "&the systemversion into tSys
   else put the systemversion into tSys
   put "System:" &tab& tSys&cr after tReport
   --
   put "CPU Type:" &tab& the machine &cr after tReport
   --
   get item 3 of the screenRect &" X "& item 4 of the screenrect
   put "Screen resolution:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
   --
   put "Window bounding rect:" &tab& the windowboundingrect &cr after 
tReport
   --
   put "Screen depth:"&tab& the screenDepth & "-bit" &cr after tReport
   --
   put "Screen type:"&tab& the screenType &cr after tReport
   --
   put "Screen gamma:"&tab& the screengamma &cr after tReport
   --
   get the qtversion
   if it = "0.0" then get "(Not installed)"
   if the platform is not in "MacOS,Win32" then get "N/A"
   put "QuickTime version:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
   --
   put "Sound volume:" &tab& the playloudness &"%" &cr after tReport
   --
   get the printpapersize
   get (item 1 of it) / 72 &" X "& (item 2 of it) / 72
   put "Printer paper size:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
   --
   put "Print scale:"&tab& the printScale &cr after tReport
   --
   put "Avilable disk space:"&tab& Bytes2Size(the diskspace)&cr after 
tReport
   get the drives
   replace cr with comma&space in it
   put "Drives:" &tab& it &cr after tReport
   --
   return tReport
end fwGestalt




-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Nov 11 16:38:34 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:38:34 -0500
Subject: Detailed system information
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNVi2kC294W=8ZghLYDvOx_CMBOd=DC-2pwmNPuEWq5xw@mail.gmail.com>

Skip, here are a few goodies.  For the installed browsers, I think you'll
have to query the registry, but I don't have the specifics on that.

put the systemVersion

put the platform

put shell("java -version")

put $COMPUTERNAME

put $USERNAME

~Roger


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
skip at magicgate.com> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> Has anybody created a script to get detailed information from the user in a
> standalone so that it can be sent back for debugging?
>
> Out of the box I am only finding "systemInformation" and "the platform"
>
> I would love to get many more details such as (on a Windows machine) the
> version of the operating system, browsers installed and versions of those,
> etc.
>
> I was about to start writing code to dig into the registry but I thought I
> would ask here first.
>
> Thank you!
>
> SKIP KIMPEL
>
>


From skip at magicgate.com  Wed Nov 11 16:47:20 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:47:20 -0500
Subject: Detailed system information
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXNVi2kC294W=8ZghLYDvOx_CMBOd=DC-2pwmNPuEWq5xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXNVi2kC294W=8ZghLYDvOx_CMBOd=DC-2pwmNPuEWq5xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4O7gDkiqgKcFZ5-dmy2viV7Yoryi+SZmJ7nR-YNDa_itw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Richard and Roger!  I thought about using shell to get to command
line systeminfo but it take too long to return the results.

I think I will have something to start with here.  I'll post whatever I end
up creating.

SKIP

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
wrote:

> Skip, here are a few goodies.  For the installed browsers, I think you'll
> have to query the registry, but I don't have the specifics on that.
>
> put the systemVersion
>
> put the platform
>
> put shell("java -version")
>
> put $COMPUTERNAME
>
> put $USERNAME
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
> skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
>
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > Has anybody created a script to get detailed information from the user
> in a
> > standalone so that it can be sent back for debugging?
> >
> > Out of the box I am only finding "systemInformation" and "the platform"
> >
> > I would love to get many more details such as (on a Windows machine) the
> > version of the operating system, browsers installed and versions of
> those,
> > etc.
> >
> > I was about to start writing code to dig into the registry but I thought
> I
> > would ask here first.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > SKIP KIMPEL
> >
> >
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> subscription preferences:
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Nov 11 16:54:12 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:54:12 -0500
Subject: Detailed system information
In-Reply-To: <5643B53F.8080802@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5643B53F.8080802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOF_Wx98YApiAMom5DTcCvWcNVoNfJejGjGvAo5uOPcyA@mail.gmail.com>

I commented out the line dependant on another function:  "Bytes2Size(the
diskspace)"
and I changed stack "MyApp" to simply this stack.


Result:

System Profile

Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 4:51 PM

Application: MyApp

Version: N/A

Location: C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode 6.5.2/LiveCode.exe

System: NT 6.1

CPU Type: x86

Screen resolution: 1920 X 1200

Window bounding rect: 0,122,1920,1160

Screen depth: 32-bit

Screen type: DirectColor

Screen gamma: 2.2

QuickTime version: (Not installed)

Sound volume: 100%

Printer paper size: 8.5 X 11

Print scale: 1

Drives: C:, D:, E:


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Skip Kimpel wrote:
>
> Has anybody created a script to get detailed information from the user in a
>> standalone so that it can be sent back for debugging?
>>
>> Out of the box I am only finding "systemInformation" and "the platform"
>>
>> I would love to get many more details such as (on a Windows machine) the
>> version of the operating system, browsers installed and versions of those,
>> etc.
>>
>> I was about to start writing code to dig into the registry but I thought I
>> would ask here first.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>
> Here's one example of a system profiler I wrote a long time ago, hopefully
> this will give you some ideas for your own:
>
>
>
> function fwGestalt
>   put "System Profile"&cr into tReport
>   put the long date &", "& the time &cr&cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Application:" &tab& "MyApp" &cr after tReport
>   --
>   get the uVersion of cd 1 of stack "MyApp"
>   if it is empty then get "N/A"
>   put "Version:"  &tab& it &cr after tReport
>   --
>   get the address
>   set the itemDel to ":"
>   delete item 1 of it
>   put "Location:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
>   set the itemdel to comma
>   --
>   If the platform is "MacOS" then put "Mac OS "&the systemversion into tSys
>   else put the systemversion into tSys
>   put "System:" &tab& tSys&cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "CPU Type:" &tab& the machine &cr after tReport
>   --
>   get item 3 of the screenRect &" X "& item 4 of the screenrect
>   put "Screen resolution:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Window bounding rect:" &tab& the windowboundingrect &cr after
> tReport
>   --
>   put "Screen depth:"&tab& the screenDepth & "-bit" &cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Screen type:"&tab& the screenType &cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Screen gamma:"&tab& the screengamma &cr after tReport
>   --
>   get the qtversion
>   if it = "0.0" then get "(Not installed)"
>   if the platform is not in "MacOS,Win32" then get "N/A"
>   put "QuickTime version:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Sound volume:" &tab& the playloudness &"%" &cr after tReport
>   --
>   get the printpapersize
>   get (item 1 of it) / 72 &" X "& (item 2 of it) / 72
>   put "Printer paper size:"&tab& it &cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Print scale:"&tab& the printScale &cr after tReport
>   --
>   put "Avilable disk space:"&tab& Bytes2Size(the diskspace)&cr after
> tReport
>   get the drives
>   replace cr with comma&space in it
>   put "Drives:" &tab& it &cr after tReport
>   --
>   return tReport
> end fwGestalt
>
>
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Nov 11 17:24:41 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:24:41 -0800
Subject: what id "discover new properties ?
Message-ID: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>

Hi, when I update a version of livecode, I get a window that says ?Update the list of property names for Livecode version 7.1.1-rc-3?.

What should I do with this?
Bill



William Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
prothero at earthednet.org






From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Nov 11 17:26:21 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:26:21 -0800
Subject: what id "discover new properties ?
In-Reply-To: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>
References: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <130E44F1-C6FB-430E-85F2-10FE5A523166@earthednet.org>

Dang! Never mind. It was from lcStackBrowser. I?ve gotta read the help button.
Sorry,
Bill

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:24 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, when I update a version of livecode, I get a window that says ?Update the list of property names for Livecode version 7.1.1-rc-3?.
> 
> What should I do with this?
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> prothero at earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 17:27:19 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:27:19 -0800
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
In-Reply-To: <610EF412-3B63-46B5-8003-7BBC3EBED2BA@comcast.net>
References: <610EF412-3B63-46B5-8003-7BBC3EBED2BA@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DpqBx23iLQXGSYop3j9nurb-Z7U-PHEDndbiHRRRzeUbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe you could "send MouseEnter to [same control]" when you change cards
if that restarts the mouseMove stream.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Thanks to Scott Rossi, whose example is indeed what I am trying to do, and
> to Matt Maier, who warns me that there are aspects of mouseMove I don't
> quite understand.
> In trying to see why Scott's example works and mine does not, I discovered
> that my "mouseleave" handler seemed to be the problem.  If I have "on
> mouseleave, go card 1, end mouse leave" in my script, then the mouseMove
> message stops firing after it triggers one change of card, perhaps because
> that change of card makes LC think I have "left" the control my mouse was
> moving in.  (But why does it not still detect a "mousemove" on that same
> control on the card I have moved to?  It seems like mouseMove doesn't start
> reporting unless there has been a "mouseEnter" event, and with my change of
> card my mouse did not enter the control because it was already in it).
> Adding my mouseLeave handler to Scott's script won't show this unless I
> also change the points of his polygon so that it is a single rectangle
> rather than 3 non-adjacent rectangles.  With his polygon, the mouse really
> is "leaving" and then re-entering the polygon when it moves from one
> rectangle to the next; so that on each change of card there is a new
> mouseEnter event that restarts the mouseMove message stream.
> I tried Matt?s idea of catching all mouseMoves, but still had problems.
> So I have placed the entire ?quick browse? diagram in a separate palette,
> where mouseMove is not bothered by card changes in the main stack.
> David Epstein
>
>
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From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 11 17:35:52 2015
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:35:52 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8757.1447261176.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.8757.1447261176.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <17DEE385-E06A-4B72-AFA0-91F19CC64696@sbcglobal.net>

Very interesting discussion. 

However, I was puzzled by the following term in the sum used to calculate the area of a polygon--labeled the centroid method.

x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i)   

Where does this come from? If one were using the traditional method of calculating the area under a curve (perhaps a polygon) the i'th  term in the sum would be:

[x(i+1) - x(i)] * [y(i+1) + y(i)] / 2

That is, the base times the average height. This was the original method employed by many--the non-centroid method

Multiplying this out you get:

x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i) +      [x(i+1)* y(i+1) - x(i)* y(i)]

So THE SAME EXPRESSION as in the centroid method EXCEPT for the added term in square brackets. So, WHY THE  DIFFERENCE?

In calculating this sum all of the intermediate terms in the sum cancel out, leaving just the end terms:  x(n)y(n) - x(1)* y(1)
But if the figure is closed, they too cancel each other. 
For example:  (x3 * y3 - x2*y2) + (x4*y4 - x3*y3)... Notice that the x3 * y3 terms cancel.

Curiously, if one were attempting to calculate the area under a curve (non-polygon) using this method, the principle contribution could come from just these end point terms. As an extreme example, if the curve began at the origin (x(0) = y(0) = 0),. there would be a substantial contribution from the end point x(n) * y(n), where n is the last point. If it were a straight line, ALL the contribution would come from the end point: x(n) y(n) . Divided  by 2 of course.

Jim

P.S. the centroid of a closed curve might be liken eo the center of gravity in physics.
Two closed curves could have the same centroid but very different areas (masses) 
The center of mass bears no relation to the mass, and the centroid of a closed curved bears no relation to the area.


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Nov 11 17:45:11 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:45:11 -0500
Subject: Detailed system information
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXOF_Wx98YApiAMom5DTcCvWcNVoNfJejGjGvAo5uOPcyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4MaNGfLmjhEp071unbbx+NjoD8NPE_nRL_Y9LdK3CkBEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5643B53F.8080802@fourthworld.com>
	<CAAT6EXOF_Wx98YApiAMom5DTcCvWcNVoNfJejGjGvAo5uOPcyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNH6ZcXRndN5oGk3rKvpyGt4xeS5uiMh2i-=eQMC+1yUQ@mail.gmail.com>

*function* Bytes2Size pBytes

   *return* round((((pBytes)/1024)/1024)/1024,2) && "GB"

*end* Bytes2Size

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
wrote:

> I commented out the line dependant on another function:  "Bytes2Size(the
> diskspace)"
>
>


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 17:56:09 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:56:09 -0700
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DpqBx23iLQXGSYop3j9nurb-Z7U-PHEDndbiHRRRzeUbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <610EF412-3B63-46B5-8003-7BBC3EBED2BA@comcast.net>
	<CA+S82DpqBx23iLQXGSYop3j9nurb-Z7U-PHEDndbiHRRRzeUbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrjYU6iWSwOVYu2+1zp_nj-D7sjgFnnHokhN8kYwVduvg@mail.gmail.com>

Does it work if you put mousemove in the stack?  If so, then you can filter
controls you don't want to be affected by your mousemove handler.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe you could "send MouseEnter to [same control]" when you change cards
> if that restarts the mouseMove stream.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks to Scott Rossi, whose example is indeed what I am trying to do,
> and
> > to Matt Maier, who warns me that there are aspects of mouseMove I don't
> > quite understand.
> > In trying to see why Scott's example works and mine does not, I
> discovered
> > that my "mouseleave" handler seemed to be the problem.  If I have "on
> > mouseleave, go card 1, end mouse leave" in my script, then the mouseMove
> > message stops firing after it triggers one change of card, perhaps
> because
> > that change of card makes LC think I have "left" the control my mouse was
> > moving in.  (But why does it not still detect a "mousemove" on that same
> > control on the card I have moved to?  It seems like mouseMove doesn't
> start
> > reporting unless there has been a "mouseEnter" event, and with my change
> of
> > card my mouse did not enter the control because it was already in it).
> > Adding my mouseLeave handler to Scott's script won't show this unless I
> > also change the points of his polygon so that it is a single rectangle
> > rather than 3 non-adjacent rectangles.  With his polygon, the mouse
> really
> > is "leaving" and then re-entering the polygon when it moves from one
> > rectangle to the next; so that on each change of card there is a new
> > mouseEnter event that restarts the mouseMove message stream.
> > I tried Matt?s idea of catching all mouseMoves, but still had problems.
> > So I have placed the entire ?quick browse? diagram in a separate palette,
> > where mouseMove is not bothered by card changes in the main stack.
> > David Epstein
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Nov 11 18:21:53 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:21:53 +0000
Subject: A different take on directorywalking
In-Reply-To: <586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.8606.1447127681.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<586A0CA0-FF23-4CE2-AF20-D311C6CAD367@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <5643CD91.6060600@tweedly.net>



If you think that the recursion is the cause of any perceived slow-down, 
there is an alternative of using a non-recursive version in pure LC.

I posted one such example to the use-list on 26th Oct in the thread
     recursion limit when creating file list of harddrive

And being pure LC, you can easily add in callbacks etc. to show progress 
updates .....

-- Alex.

On 11/11/2015 12:54, Malte Brill wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as the livecode solutions tend to become rather slow if there is a certain amount of nesting involved, I want to come up with a shell alternative to directorywalking. something like
>
> ? [snip]
> set the hideconsoleWindows to true
> switch
>    case ?win? is in the platform
>      put "dir " & tPath && "/b /s /A-D" into tShellCommand
>    ? tPath needs to be a Windows path using backslashes and needs to be quoted
>    break
>    case ?linux? is in the platform
>      ? todo
>    break
>    case ?mac? is in the platform
>    ? todo
>    break
> end switch
> return shell(tShellCommand
> ?[snap]
>
> This returns for example:
> C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_1.JPG
> C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\10\2013-480_ds_10_2.JPG
> C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_1.JPG
> C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_2.JPG
> C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte\11\2013-480_ds_11_3.JPG
> ?
>
> where tpath was:
> "C:\Users\Malte Brill\Documents\archaeodox\2013-480\dokumentationsschritte?
>
> Can anyone help me with the Linux and Mac counterparts. Ideally with the same output?
>
> Best,
>
> Malte
>
>
>
>
> --
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov 11 18:26:57 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:26:57 -0800
Subject: what id "discover new properties ?
In-Reply-To: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>
References: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOcX_N7oP3wmOPFvZz9sAUNPBQr-Wij7fcTFw7GeDbGmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill,
Thai has to do with new properties that are introduced in each version of
Livecode.  lcStackbrowser needs to gather info about them for it's property
editing features.

For each new property it finds, it will ask you to specify how it should be
edited (text, checkbox, etc).  It will display the dictionary entry for the
property so you have some information as to which editor should be used.
If in doubt, text always works.

In the next update, I plan to update this information automatically by
downloading and processing a file from my web server so individual users
don't have to worry about it.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:24 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
wrote:

> Hi, when I update a version of livecode, I get a window that says ?Update
> the list of property names for Livecode version 7.1.1-rc-3?.
>
> What should I do with this?
> Bill
>
>
>
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> prothero at earthednet.org
>
>
>
>
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From hh at livecode.org  Wed Nov 11 19:03:17 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 01:03:17 +0100
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
Message-ID: <3AC464C6-BA7F-4B31-A642-3466452B0FDE@livecode.org>

> James H. wrote:
> Multiplying this out you get:
> 
> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i) +      [x(i+1)* y(i+1) - x(i)* y(i)]
> 
> So THE SAME EXPRESSION as in the centroid method EXCEPT for the added term in square brackets. So, WHY THE  DIFFERENCE?
> 
> In calculating this sum all of the intermediate terms in the sum cancel out, leaving just the end terms:  x(n)y(n) - x(1)* y(1)
> But if the figure is closed, they too cancel each other. 

Very clear explanation (it's in fact a proof) of the 'shoelace'-formula.

> James H. wrote:
> The center of mass bears no relation to the mass, and the centroid of a closed curved bears no relation to the area.

The connection between the centroid and the Area is purely 'scottish'.
We need the terms of the area-sum for centroid's computation and have by that the area computed as a by-product. Because we are canny as the Scots (and the people from Southern Germany and Switzerland) we don't waste it, but return it too.

If one takes a simple flat map (no relief), a centroid is good as a *first* approximation where to have a central storage that is the origin of catering goods for a certain region.
Likewise one could use the centroid as an approximate good place for a time-and-cost sparing residence in a state or country.




From waprothero at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 19:51:13 2015
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:51:13 -0800
Subject: what id "discover new properties ?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOcX_N7oP3wmOPFvZz9sAUNPBQr-Wij7fcTFw7GeDbGmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eOcX_N7oP3wmOPFvZz9sAUNPBQr-Wij7fcTFw7GeDbGmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5787A206-9D2A-463E-8B53-E6589A89665E@gmail.com>

Peter:
Thanks!
I?m still getting familiar with the resource, but it looks very complete.
Best,
Bill


> On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> Thai has to do with new properties that are introduced in each version of
> Livecode.  lcStackbrowser needs to gather info about them for it's property
> editing features.
> 
> For each new property it finds, it will ask you to specify how it should be
> edited (text, checkbox, etc).  It will display the dictionary entry for the
> property so you have some information as to which editor should be used.
> If in doubt, text always works.
> 
> In the next update, I plan to update this information automatically by
> downloading and processing a file from my web server so individual users
> don't have to worry about it.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:24 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, when I update a version of livecode, I get a window that says ?Update
>> the list of property names for Livecode version 7.1.1-rc-3?.
>> 
>> What should I do with this?
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>> prothero at earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Nov 11 19:52:14 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:52:14 -0800
Subject: what id "discover new properties ?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOcX_N7oP3wmOPFvZz9sAUNPBQr-Wij7fcTFw7GeDbGmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ED94DBC3-479E-46F7-B423-FE6A933FDA2B@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eOcX_N7oP3wmOPFvZz9sAUNPBQr-Wij7fcTFw7GeDbGmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ADA6D0B-E056-4779-A27B-2E824448159C@earthednet.org>

Peter:
Thanks!
I?m still getting familiar with the resource, but it looks very nice.
Best,
Bill
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> Thai has to do with new properties that are introduced in each version of
> Livecode.  lcStackbrowser needs to gather info about them for it's property
> editing features.
> 
> For each new property it finds, it will ask you to specify how it should be
> edited (text, checkbox, etc).  It will display the dictionary entry for the
> property so you have some information as to which editor should be used.
> If in doubt, text always works.
> 
> In the next update, I plan to update this information automatically by
> downloading and processing a file from my web server so individual users
> don't have to worry about it.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:24 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, when I update a version of livecode, I get a window that says ?Update
>> the list of property names for Livecode version 7.1.1-rc-3?.
>> 
>> What should I do with this?
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>> prothero at earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Nov 11 20:01:46 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:01:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <C701836A-EFC7-4155-8BFB-6B0051267667@livecode.org>
References: <CAGDT7eO9f9HDiYSw9GgnWbZzucPfYLcXYaeR7GXx-S48t456bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu>
	<BB2B9414-FF8E-4088-96FF-01436CF275F7@mac.com>
	<C701836A-EFC7-4155-8BFB-6B0051267667@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <1447290106473-4698719.post@n4.nabble.com>

for those on the list like me who can only iteratively add 1 to a variable
and that have 10 seconds to spare to get at the area of a polygon:
here is what the screen thinks it is:

-----------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   put "poly" into pName
   
   if not (there is a graphic pName) then
      answer "couldnt find graphic to analyze"
      exit mouseUp
   end if
   
   lock screen
   if there is a image "ImageForArea" then delete image "ImageForArea"
   put the milliseconds into start
   
   -- set up the graphic for black
   put the opaque of graphic pName into tOldOpaque
   put the editMode of graphic pName into tOldEdit
   put the backgroundcolor of graphic pName into tOldBackground
   put the lineSize of graphic pName into tOldLinesize
   put the antialiased of graphic pName into tOldAntiAliased
   
   set the opaque of graphic pName to true -- this forces "closure" of
polygon
   set the backgroundcolor of graphic pName to black
   set the lineSize of graphic pName to 0
   set the editMode of graphic pName to "none"
   set the antialiased of grc pName to false
   
   reset the templateGroup
   set the margins of the templateGroup to 0
   
   select graphic pName
   group
   export snapShot from the last group to tImg as png
   ungroup
   
   create image "ImageForArea"
   set the text of image "ImageForArea" to tImg
   
   put the AlphaData of image "ImageForArea" into tAlphaData
   
   put numToByte(255) into tTransparent -- 0 = transparent
   
   put 127 into tCutOff
   
   put 0 into tBlack
   
   repeat for each byte aByte in tAlphaData
      if byteToNum(aByte) > tCutOff then add 1 to tBlack
   end repeat
   
   -- get rid of the image that was analyzed
   delete image "ImageForArea"
   
   -- restore the graphic
   set the opaque of graphic pName to tOldOpaque
   set the backgroundcolor of graphic pName to tOldBackground
   set the lineSize of graphic pName to tOldLinesize
   set the editMode of graphic pName to tOldEdit
   set the antialiased of graphic pName to tOldAntiAliased
   
   put the milliseconds - start into tTime
   put "Area is " & tBlack & return \
         &  tTime & " milliseconds"  into field "F1" 
   reset the templateGroup
   select empty
end mouseUp
-------------------------------------
here we count the pixel of the alphaData of a snapshot from the graphic that
have a value > 127, i.e. are more than half transparent.

10 seconds is for Hermann's graphic created with testPoints. It is pretty
close to the calculated values.

:)))

Kind regards
Bernd




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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Wed Nov 11 20:54:47 2015
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:54:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1447293287149-4698720.post@n4.nabble.com>

I am just coming back to LC after a few months off (18 perhaps?) so I am a
bit rusty but is it not the case that the message path goes from substacks
to the main stack? If so, should not a "shutdownRequest" message not handled
in a sub stack be passed up the message path to the main stack? In which
case you don't need shutdownRequests in each sub, just in the main? I am
actually at the very point where I need to implement a somewhat similar
feature (pressing the "home" key on an iDevice shuts-down your application -
and I need to handle that gracefully. Hoping, hoping I do not need to code a
shutdown message handler in every substack)

Mark


Howard Bornstein-2 wrote
>> Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a
>> 'pass shutdownRequest' command.  This handler sends a prepareToQuit
>> command
>> to the main card of the main stack.
>>
>> substack stack script
>> -------------------
>> on shutdownRequest
>>    send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack"
>> end shutdownRequest
>> ------------------
>> The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just
>> has
>> a quit command.  This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main
>> card.
>> This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented
>> before
>> quitting.  This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that
>> allows
>> the application to quit.
>>
>> Mainstack >card "main" script
>> -----------------------
>> on preparetoquit
>>     quit
>> end preparetoquit
>>
>> on shutdownRequest
>>     
> <do stuff here>
>>
>>     pass shutdownRequest
>> end shutdownRequest
>>





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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Nov 11 22:51:48 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:51:48 -0600
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <1447293287149-4698720.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1447293287149-4698720.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <56440CD4.2020605@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/11/2015 7:54 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> is it not the case that the message path goes from substacks
> to the main stack? If so, should not a "shutdownRequest" message not handled
> in a sub stack be passed up the message path to the main stack? In which
> case you don't need shutdownRequests in each sub, just in the main?

Yes, that's how it should work. I've been wondering why the extra 
handlers in substacks were required, I've never needed to do that and my 
apps have always quit. I'd say go with the simpler solution and if that 
doesn't work then we can figure out why.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Nov 11 23:19:08 2015
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 04:19:08 +0000
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
In-Reply-To: <1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D26A5D20.1ADE6%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Gerard, this is great!I?m using Guglielmo?s library (which is also
fantastic) in a couple of current project but I can see myself
transitioning to this before too long.

Once I got the paths stuff sorted out it worked beautifully.

Terry...

On 9/11/2015 8:03 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of gmcrev"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of gmcrev at tpg.com.au>
wrote:

>The stack has been updated to include a library for calling the now
>officially released Dropbox API v2.
>The library of dropbox calls are in the card script.
>OAuth and error checking are yet to be added.
>The (beta) API calls added this week by dropbox are included in the
>library,
>but they don;t all have working examples added yet.
>
>
>
>-----
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Wed Nov 11 23:59:13 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:59:13 -0800
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <56440CD4.2020605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1447293287149-4698720.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<56440CD4.2020605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtTJ_MenNTtZtqAEDOWXyqTi-ha6dk88xJHc9K3pT=U0uQ@mail.gmail.com>

The dictionary says this (from LC 6.7.5):

In standalones, some care is needed to ensure you receive the
*shutdownRequest* message if your application uses multiple stacks. The
most reliable approach is to install a library stack or backscript to
handle the message when your application starts up.

I couldn't get this to work, so I went with Martin Koob's solution, which
did work. Note that this refers to multi-stack standalones.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 11/11/2015 7:54 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> is it not the case that the message path goes from substacks
>> to the main stack? If so, should not a "shutdownRequest" message not
>> handled
>> in a sub stack be passed up the message path to the main stack? In which
>> case you don't need shutdownRequests in each sub, just in the main?
>>
>
> Yes, that's how it should work. I've been wondering why the extra handlers
> in substacks were required, I've never needed to do that and my apps have
> always quit. I'd say go with the simpler solution and if that doesn't work
> then we can figure out why.
>
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Nov 12 00:42:38 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:42:38 -0600
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtTJ_MenNTtZtqAEDOWXyqTi-ha6dk88xJHc9K3pT=U0uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1447293287149-4698720.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<56440CD4.2020605@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAOpWwtTJ_MenNTtZtqAEDOWXyqTi-ha6dk88xJHc9K3pT=U0uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564426CE.1030307@hyperactivesw.com>

That's what I suspected; the stacks aren't actually substacks. Now it 
makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

On 11/11/2015 10:59 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote:
> The dictionary says this (from LC 6.7.5):
>
> In standalones, some care is needed to ensure you receive the
> *shutdownRequest* message if your application uses multiple stacks. The
> most reliable approach is to install a library stack or backscript to
> handle the message when your application starts up.
>
> I couldn't get this to work, so I went with Martin Koob's solution, which
> did work. Note that this refers to multi-stack standalones.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2015 7:54 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> is it not the case that the message path goes from substacks
>>> to the main stack? If so, should not a "shutdownRequest" message not
>>> handled
>>> in a sub stack be passed up the message path to the main stack? In which
>>> case you don't need shutdownRequests in each sub, just in the main?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's how it should work. I've been wondering why the extra handlers
>> in substacks were required, I've never needed to do that and my apps have
>> always quit. I'd say go with the simpler solution and if that doesn't work
>> then we can figure out why.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>>
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From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Nov 12 00:54:01 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:54:01 -0800
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77AC26A0-3B8D-49B7-BA2D-77689A980A53@jhj.com>

Interesting challenge, and puzzling crashiness. As a first thought, making the bAdd function private might have some speed advantage - but since the message path isn?t very complicated in this example, it might not be a lot. I?m not sure how many primes are involved, but I think its lots, as you say.

I hope to spend some coherent time tomorrow looking into the crashiness (and the spiffy algorithm!).
.Jerry

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:45 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm playing with a challenge to calculate the sum of the primes less than
> 3,000,000,000
> 
> So far I have this, which gets the job done for the primes up to about a
> billion, but then dies (the whole app) without even a dialog. It's also not
> very fast. It would probably take an hour or two to finish.
> 
> Any suggestions for efficiency or non-crashed-ness?
> 
> function bAdd x,y
> -- adds two positive numbers of arbitrary length
>   put 0 into c
>   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y))
>      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
>      put char -14 to -1 of c before r
>      delete char -14 to -1 of c
>   end repeat
>   return c & r
> end bAdd
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put 2 into T
>   put 0 into S
>   put 3 into i
>   repeat until i > fld 1 -- fld 1 contains 3000000000
>      if P[i] is empty then
>         put bAdd(i,T) into T
>         put i & comma after P[i*3]
>      else
>         repeat for each item x in P[i]
>            put x & comma after P[i + x + x]
>         end repeat
>         delete P[i]
>      end if
>      if the seconds > S then
>         put the seconds into S
>         put i && T into fld 2
>         unlock screen
>         lock screen
>      end if
>      add 2 to i
>   end repeat
>   put i && T into fld 2
> end mouseUp
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 01:26:39 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 01:26:39 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <77AC26A0-3B8D-49B7-BA2D-77689A980A53@jhj.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<77AC26A0-3B8D-49B7-BA2D-77689A980A53@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoh+ZvawaOi7piqfABb0HCcB7SGwgBgym1xqULGk-=W_w@mail.gmail.com>

I re-wrote the algorithm a bit to tweak for speed, then ran it successfully
for primes up to 3 billion (a couple hours), and got the wrong answer
because my big addition function was broken :-/

So I broke the problem in two: first generate the list of primes, then do
the addition.

For the primes I generated the list up to 100,000, stored that, and then
used a simpler (by one command) routine to generate the primes to 10
billion in a few hours. Here's that:

on mouseUp
   put the long seconds into ST
   repeat for each line i in line 2 to -1 of the primeList of this stack
      put 2*i & comma after P[i^2]
   end repeat
   put 2 into pList
   put fld "path" into fPath
   open file fPath for write
   put 0 into S
   put fld 1 into endPoint
   if endPoint mod 2 = 0 then subtract 1 from endPoint
   repeat with i = 3 to endPoint step 2
      if P[i] is empty then
         put cr & i after pList
      else
         repeat for each item x in P[i]
            put x & comma after P[i + x]
         end repeat
      end if
      if the seconds > S then
         put the seconds + 5 into S
         put i into fld 2
         write pList to file fPath
         put empty into pList
         unlock screen
         lock screen
      end if
      delete variable P[i]
   end repeat
   put i into fld 2
   write pList to file fPath
   close file fPath
   put the long seconds - ST
end mouseUp

That's ~5gb of primes...

Then I re-wrote the addition function to use a simpler, slower method,
tested it, and let it go. An hour or so later, and I had my answer
(validated against the site with the challenge). If anyone sees the problem
with bAdd, I'm all ears. I didn't look too closely, since I just wanted to
get the code running to solve the problem. It works for all the test cases
I tried, but it seems to fail on the boundary between 14 and 15 digit
numbers.


on mouseUp
   put fld "path" into fPath
   open file fPath for read
   put 0 into T
   put 0 into S
   repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
      read from file fPath for 1 line
      if it > fld 1 then exit repeat
      put bAdd2(T,char 1 to -2 of it) into T
      if the seconds > S then
         put the seconds + 1 into S
         put T && it && C into fld 2
         unlock screen
         lock screen
      end if
   end repeat
   put T && it && C - 1 into fld 2
   close file fPath
end mouseUp

function bAdd x,y
   put 0 into c
   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y)) step 14
      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
      put char -14 to -1 of c before r
      delete char -14 to -1 of c
   end repeat
   return c & r
end bAdd

function bAdd2 x,y
   put 0 into c
   repeat with i = 1 to max(length(x),length(y))
      put char -i of x + char -i of y + c into c
      put char -1 of c before r
      delete char -1 of c
   end repeat
   return c & r
end bAdd2


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Thu Nov 12 06:24:50 2015
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:24:50 +0100
Subject: Converting HTML to Jade?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1447326002.28708.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1447326002.28708.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9676AF2E-C9FB-468F-A5D0-FB8E1390AEF2@de-mare.nl>

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to convert HTML to Jade from within a LiveCode script?

I want to distill information from a website for personal use. But HTML tags sometimes do and sometimes don?t have an end tag, and if they do, they don?t have to be nested properly. So it can be very tedious to get to the right content. Since this is much easier to use Jade, I often find myself copying the HTML to the left field on http://html2jade.aaron-powell.com <http://http//html2jade.aaron-powell.com> and manually convert it to Jade to copy the result back to my LiveCode stack. 

I suspect there is a better, more automated solution I am not aware of.



With kind regards,
Terry Vogelaar



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Nov 12 07:52:44 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:52:44 +0000
Subject: iphone phone number
Message-ID: <DUB114-W2740B502C1557CBC931CFBED120@phx.gbl>

Is it possible to query the iphone for its telephone number ?
 		 	   		  

From monte at appisle.net  Thu Nov 12 08:43:12 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:43:12 +1100
Subject: iphone phone number
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W2740B502C1557CBC931CFBED120@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W2740B502C1557CBC931CFBED120@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7402CE5D-20B6-4576-8707-4FEB37B0A1B5@appisle.net>

No... Maybe private Apis but then bye bye App Store

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Nov 2015, at 11:52 pm, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to query the iphone for its telephone number ?



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 09:01:39 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:01:39 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoh+ZvawaOi7piqfABb0HCcB7SGwgBgym1xqULGk-=W_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<77AC26A0-3B8D-49B7-BA2D-77689A980A53@jhj.com>
	<CAKCLKtoh+ZvawaOi7piqfABb0HCcB7SGwgBgym1xqULGk-=W_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq8BUc3q7YiFjtuqny==+vCNXpJ3TSBAsmotm7sc5pqGQ@mail.gmail.com>

...and I just accidentally clicked the button a second time and overwrote
the file, so I have to let it run a few hours again to generate the primes
again. :-/

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I re-wrote the algorithm a bit to tweak for speed, then ran it
> successfully for primes up to 3 billion (a couple hours), and got the wrong
> answer because my big addition function was broken :-/
>
> So I broke the problem in two: first generate the list of primes, then do
> the addition.
>
> For the primes I generated the list up to 100,000, stored that, and then
> used a simpler (by one command) routine to generate the primes to 10
> billion in a few hours. Here's that:
>
> on mouseUp
>    put the long seconds into ST
>    repeat for each line i in line 2 to -1 of the primeList of this stack
>       put 2*i & comma after P[i^2]
>    end repeat
>    put 2 into pList
>    put fld "path" into fPath
>    open file fPath for write
>    put 0 into S
>    put fld 1 into endPoint
>    if endPoint mod 2 = 0 then subtract 1 from endPoint
>    repeat with i = 3 to endPoint step 2
>       if P[i] is empty then
>          put cr & i after pList
>       else
>          repeat for each item x in P[i]
>             put x & comma after P[i + x]
>          end repeat
>       end if
>       if the seconds > S then
>          put the seconds + 5 into S
>          put i into fld 2
>          write pList to file fPath
>          put empty into pList
>          unlock screen
>          lock screen
>       end if
>       delete variable P[i]
>    end repeat
>    put i into fld 2
>    write pList to file fPath
>    close file fPath
>    put the long seconds - ST
> end mouseUp
>
> That's ~5gb of primes...
>
> Then I re-wrote the addition function to use a simpler, slower method,
> tested it, and let it go. An hour or so later, and I had my answer
> (validated against the site with the challenge). If anyone sees the problem
> with bAdd, I'm all ears. I didn't look too closely, since I just wanted to
> get the code running to solve the problem. It works for all the test cases
> I tried, but it seems to fail on the boundary between 14 and 15 digit
> numbers.
>
>
> on mouseUp
>    put fld "path" into fPath
>    open file fPath for read
>    put 0 into T
>    put 0 into S
>    repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
>       read from file fPath for 1 line
>       if it > fld 1 then exit repeat
>       put bAdd2(T,char 1 to -2 of it) into T
>       if the seconds > S then
>          put the seconds + 1 into S
>          put T && it && C into fld 2
>          unlock screen
>          lock screen
>       end if
>    end repeat
>    put T && it && C - 1 into fld 2
>    close file fPath
> end mouseUp
>
> function bAdd x,y
>    put 0 into c
>    repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y)) step 14
>       add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
>       put char -14 to -1 of c before r
>       delete char -14 to -1 of c
>    end repeat
>    return c & r
> end bAdd
>
> function bAdd2 x,y
>    put 0 into c
>    repeat with i = 1 to max(length(x),length(y))
>       put char -i of x + char -i of y + c into c
>       put char -1 of c before r
>       delete char -1 of c
>    end repeat
>    return c & r
> end bAdd2
>


From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:28:21 2015
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:28:21 +0100
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <64E63ED9-5584-4BCF-A720-8E362B551F4E@andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<64E63ED9-5584-4BCF-A720-8E362B551F4E@andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO-Acw=+OHmEt03dDOXsxRibPfba7nFN20XnvZ0Z8i0E2A@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Tom. We badly need a modern multimedia support.
Paolo Mazza

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Marc Siskin <msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> I agree that working with Multimedia in Livecode recently has been a struggle.  That is why I was reluctant to contribute to the 64-Bit Feature Exchange.  I just hope that the period we will have to suffer through between the time they remove multimedia support and when they put it back in is short.
>
> Marc
>
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:06 PM, tbodine <bodine at bodinetraininggames.com<mailto:bodine at bodinetraininggames.com>> wrote:
>
> As a multimedia developer, I just want to echo what Klaus said about the lack
> of modern multimedia support in Livecode.  Fixing this shortcoming will lead
> to more new customers for LC. I know that I, for one, have not been able to
> recommend Livecode to my peers due to this lack of modern multimedia
> support. I bet I'm not the only one.
>
> My 2 cents.
> Tom B.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/play-vc-xyz-still-stuck-in-the-80s-tp4698478p4698538.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com<http://nabble.com>.
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> Carnegie Mellon University
> msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu<mailto:msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Nov 12 11:01:40 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:01:40 -0800
Subject: Converting HTML to Jade?
In-Reply-To: <9676AF2E-C9FB-468F-A5D0-FB8E1390AEF2@de-mare.nl>
References: <9676AF2E-C9FB-468F-A5D0-FB8E1390AEF2@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <5644B7E4.9000006@fourthworld.com>

Terry Vogelaar wrote:

 > Does anyone know if there is an easy way to convert HTML to Jade from
 > within a LiveCode script?
 >
 > I want to distill information from a website for personal use. But
 > HTML tags sometimes do and sometimes don?t have an end tag, and if
 > they do, they don?t have to be nested properly. So it can be very
 > tedious to get to the right content. Since this is much easier to
 > use Jade, I often find myself copying the HTML to the left field on
 > http://html2jade.aaron-powell.com 
<http://http//html2jade.aaron-powell.com> and manually convert it to 
Jade to copy the result back to
 > my LiveCode stack.
 >
 > I suspect there is a better, more automated solution I am not aware
 > of.

If this is for content scraping there are likely easier ways than 
translating HTML to Jade only to translate Jade into something usable in 
LiveCode.

For example, for many uses HTML content can strip tags as simply as:

    set the htmlText of the template field to tSomeHtml
    put the text of the templateField into tSomeText


Can you tell us more about the goal you're looking to achieve?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Nov 12 14:34:39 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:34:39 -0800
Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s?
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO-Acw=+OHmEt03dDOXsxRibPfba7nFN20XnvZ0Z8i0E2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9E92A76-00E2-4D1F-856B-A19B6A81F07E@major-k.de>
	<1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<64E63ED9-5584-4BCF-A720-8E362B551F4E@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<CA+NEnO-Acw=+OHmEt03dDOXsxRibPfba7nFN20XnvZ0Z8i0E2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D44FE9F-1CC0-4194-88E4-76D22566E64D@earthednet.org>

+1
Bill

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:28 AM, paolo mazza <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Tom. We badly need a modern multimedia support.
> Paolo Mazza
> 
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Marc Siskin <msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> I agree that working with Multimedia in Livecode recently has been a struggle.  That is why I was reluctant to contribute to the 64-Bit Feature Exchange.  I just hope that the period we will have to suffer through between the time they remove multimedia support and when they put it back in is short.
>> 
>> Marc
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:06 PM, tbodine <bodine at bodinetraininggames.com<mailto:bodine at bodinetraininggames.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> As a multimedia developer, I just want to echo what Klaus said about the lack
>> of modern multimedia support in Livecode.  Fixing this shortcoming will lead
>> to more new customers for LC. I know that I, for one, have not been able to
>> recommend Livecode to my peers due to this lack of modern multimedia
>> support. I bet I'm not the only one.
>> 
>> My 2 cents.
>> Tom B.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/play-vc-xyz-still-stuck-in-the-80s-tp4698478p4698538.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com<http://nabble.com>.
>> 
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>> 
>> ---------------
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>> Manager, Modern Language Resource Center
>> Carnegie Mellon University
>> msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu<mailto:msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Thu Nov 12 14:37:53 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:37:53 -0800
Subject: 'Quit' mystery
In-Reply-To: <564426CE.1030307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com>
	<1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAOpWwtRE6D1_ogDn1GrtMjkBRy6gOWgbxS7OOq0yTWpGm02ncA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1447293287149-4698720.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<56440CD4.2020605@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAOpWwtTJ_MenNTtZtqAEDOWXyqTi-ha6dk88xJHc9K3pT=U0uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<564426CE.1030307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtQp0wvW4B9QrefXw=5_DOZTbapCW-6Oaz6pC2aFL_zubQ@mail.gmail.com>

In my case, my second stack *was* a substack and quit still didn't work.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:42 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> That's what I suspected; the stacks aren't actually substacks. Now it
> makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
>
> On 11/11/2015 10:59 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote:
>
>> The dictionary says this (from LC 6.7.5):
>>
>> In standalones, some care is needed to ensure you receive the
>> *shutdownRequest* message if your application uses multiple stacks. The
>>
>> most reliable approach is to install a library stack or backscript to
>> handle the message when your application starts up.
>>
>> I couldn't get this to work, so I went with Martin Koob's solution, which
>> did work. Note that this refers to multi-stack standalones.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/11/2015 7:54 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> is it not the case that the message path goes from substacks
>>>> to the main stack? If so, should not a "shutdownRequest" message not
>>>> handled
>>>> in a sub stack be passed up the message path to the main stack? In which
>>>> case you don't need shutdownRequests in each sub, just in the main?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, that's how it should work. I've been wondering why the extra
>>> handlers
>>> in substacks were required, I've never needed to do that and my apps have
>>> always quit. I'd say go with the simpler solution and if that doesn't
>>> work
>>> then we can figure out why.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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>
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-----------------------
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From gmcrev at tpg.com.au  Thu Nov 12 17:56:23 2015
From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:56:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
In-Reply-To: <D26A5D20.1ADE6%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D26A5D20.1ADE6%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1447368983339-4698735.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Terry
Glad you got it working.
But this was a bit of a rushed release.
I uploaded a version 1.05 today with about 20 little bug fixes.
These were related to getting all the Parameters right and removing quotes
from booleans.
See the stack script for a list.
Card 2 now has a basic file and folder path lists.





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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov 12 18:11:29 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:11:29 +0000
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <49D7FA1F-EECE-4447-B20C-A3DF0D6D5BD6@livecode.org>
References: <49D7FA1F-EECE-4447-B20C-A3DF0D6D5BD6@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <E2DB6756-90CA-480E-B506-DE83942EEA89@iotecdigital.com>


On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:39 , [-hh] <hh at livecode.org<mailto:hh at livecode.org>> wrote:

B.S. wrote
That just about broke my brain in Algebra. I contended that an infinitely small point was nothing at all, therefore an infinite number of points was also nothing at all. So why were we talking about it as though it were something tangible?? :)

Richard certainly believes in the continuum hypothesis and means by "number" (as every linux specialist) the cardinality of the continuum. How to draw all these points? The answer is 42.

What really will blow everyone's skirt up is finding out what the question is (which btw is NOT "How to draw all these points?" that is too obvious, and no one could accept that anyway.) And besides, the computer built to compute "the question" smashed it's operators under a coffee pot or some such thing, and is likely on the other side of the galaxy grabbing a bite.

Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov 12 18:13:55 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:13:55 +0000
Subject: MouseMove message interrupted when I change cards
In-Reply-To: <610EF412-3B63-46B5-8003-7BBC3EBED2BA@comcast.net>
References: <610EF412-3B63-46B5-8003-7BBC3EBED2BA@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4BB09AA3-3442-48B0-B43C-8EB204171250@iotecdigital.com>

It's about at this point in crawling through the weeds of a particularly nasty problem that I begin to look for another way.

Bob S


On Nov 11, 2015, at 13:32 , David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net<mailto:dfepstein at comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks to Scott Rossi, whose example is indeed what I am trying to do, and to Matt Maier, who warns me that there are aspects of mouseMove I don't quite understand.
In trying to see why Scott's example works and mine does not, I discovered that my "mouseleave" handler seemed to be the problem.  If I have "on mouseleave, go card 1, end mouse leave" in my script, then the mouseMove message stops firing after it triggers one change of card, perhaps because that change of card makes LC think I have "left" the control my mouse was moving in.  (But why does it not still detect a "mousemove" on that same control on the card I have moved to?  It seems like mouseMove doesn't start reporting unless there has been a "mouseEnter" event, and with my change of card my mouse did not enter the control because it was already in it).
Adding my mouseLeave handler to Scott's script won't show this unless I also change the points of his polygon so that it is a single rectangle rather than 3 non-adjacent rectangles.  With his polygon, the mouse really is "leaving" and then re-entering the polygon when it moves from one rectangle to the next; so that on each change of card there is a new mouseEnter event that restarts the mouseMove message stream.
I tried Matt?s idea of catching all mouseMoves, but still had problems.  So I have placed the entire ?quick browse? diagram in a separate palette, where mouseMove is not bothered by card changes in the main stack.
David Epstein


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Nov 12 19:16:22 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:16:22 +0000
Subject: Converting HTML to Jade?
In-Reply-To: <5644B7E4.9000006@fourthworld.com>
References: <9676AF2E-C9FB-468F-A5D0-FB8E1390AEF2@de-mare.nl>
	<5644B7E4.9000006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D4FB2F3B-D2DE-4602-848F-DA099AA97EAE@iotecdigital.com>

This kind of interests me. I've been thinking for some time how to go about getting the contents of a web page into Livecode in such a way so as to discern the values of web controls like popup buttons and such. The idea would be to take a page of copier settings and with a click record what all those settings were. 

I guess I can play around with a browser object, but I'm pretty sure I will not be able to get the specific objects from a web page. I might be able to parse the actual html, but that would not give me values, only objects. 

Bob S


> On Nov 12, 2015, at 08:01 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Terry Vogelaar wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know if there is an easy way to convert HTML to Jade from
> > within a LiveCode script?
> >
> > I want to distill information from a website for personal use. But
> > HTML tags sometimes do and sometimes don?t have an end tag, and if
> > they do, they don?t have to be nested properly. So it can be very
> > tedious to get to the right content. Since this is much easier to
> > use Jade, I often find myself copying the HTML to the left field on
> > http://html2jade.aaron-powell.com <http://http//html2jade.aaron-powell.com> and manually convert it to Jade to copy the result back to
> > my LiveCode stack.
> >
> > I suspect there is a better, more automated solution I am not aware
> > of.
> 
> If this is for content scraping there are likely easier ways than translating HTML to Jade only to translate Jade into something usable in LiveCode.
> 
> For example, for many uses HTML content can strip tags as simply as:
> 
>   set the htmlText of the template field to tSomeHtml
>   put the text of the templateField into tSomeText
> 
> 
> Can you tell us more about the goal you're looking to achieve?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From lyn.teyla at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 19:44:38 2015
From: lyn.teyla at gmail.com (Lyn Teyla)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:44:38 +0100
Subject: Converting HTML to Jade?
In-Reply-To: <9676AF2E-C9FB-468F-A5D0-FB8E1390AEF2@de-mare.nl>
References: <mailman.3.1447326002.28708.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<9676AF2E-C9FB-468F-A5D0-FB8E1390AEF2@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <E99AD0EF-2CDE-4CD0-B458-D53A2FFCD2D4@gmail.com>

Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is an easy way to convert HTML to Jade from within a LiveCode script?

I use the html2jade command line tool:

https://github.com/donpark/html2jade

You can run it from within LiveCode using the "shell" or "open process" commands, thereby integrating it directly into your workflow.

Lyn





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 04:49:47 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:49:47 +0200
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <E2DB6756-90CA-480E-B506-DE83942EEA89@iotecdigital.com>
References: <49D7FA1F-EECE-4447-B20C-A3DF0D6D5BD6@livecode.org>
	<E2DB6756-90CA-480E-B506-DE83942EEA89@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5645B23B.3020601@gmail.com>

On 13/11/15 01:11, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:39 , [-hh] <hh at livecode.org<mailto:hh at livecode.org>> wrote:
>
> B.S. wrote
> That just about broke my brain in Algebra. I contended that an infinitely small point was nothing at all, therefore an infinite number of points was also nothing at all. So why were we talking about it as though it were something tangible?? :)
>
> Richard certainly believes in the continuum hypothesis and means by "number" (as every linux specialist) the cardinality of the continuum. How to draw all these points? The answer is 42.
>
> What really will blow everyone's skirt up

I don't wear a skirt, I wear a kilt (which is made from heavier material 
than the average skirt).

Richmond.

>   is finding out what the question is (which btw is NOT "How to draw all these points?" that is too obvious, and no one could accept that anyway.) And besides, the computer built to compute "the question" smashed it's operators under a coffee pot or some such thing, and is likely on the other side of the galaxy grabbing a bite.
>
> Bob S
>
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From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Fri Nov 13 05:24:24 2015
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:24:24 +0100
Subject: iOS - Prevent screen from dimming
Message-ID: <625A4753-9C31-47A3-A459-4AC7305993B2@id.uzh.ch>

Hello All

Is it possible to prevent the screen from dimming (iOS) after the user
does nothing for a while ?

This is necessary is you for instance show the speed reading from
a GPS signal on the Mobile Device.

Cheers
Rolf



From monte at appisle.net  Fri Nov 13 05:43:36 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:43:36 +1100
Subject: iOS - Prevent screen from dimming
In-Reply-To: <625A4753-9C31-47A3-A459-4AC7305993B2@id.uzh.ch>
References: <625A4753-9C31-47A3-A459-4AC7305993B2@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <EF0B7F27-7BD8-49F1-A8E1-533A301BC980@appisle.net>

mobileLockIdleTimer

I also have a free external to get and set the screen brightness if you need that.

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 9:24 pm, Rolf Kocherhans <rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hello All
> 
> Is it possible to prevent the screen from dimming (iOS) after the user
> does nothing for a while ?
> 
> This is necessary is you for instance show the speed reading from
> a GPS signal on the Mobile Device.
> 
> Cheers
> Rolf
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From hh at livecode.org  Fri Nov 13 08:57:16 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:57:16 +0100
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
Message-ID: <DE614F94-4727-478E-A6E8-FA457EA33527@livecode.org>

> > Bob S. wrote:
> > What really will blow everyone's skirt up 
> > is finding out what the question is ...

> Richmond M. wrote:
> I don't wear a skirt, I wear a kilt (which is made from heavier
> material than the average skirt). Richmond.

So wearing a kilt is one way to avoid impersonating Marilyn M.




From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Fri Nov 13 10:31:57 2015
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:31:57 +0000
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 9.

Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your
stacks before testing them.

*Release contents*

*Browser widget kind*
The browser widget kind has been changed to "com.livecode.widget.browser".
As a result, browser widgets currently saved to stack will need to be
replaced
with new ones.

*Segmented Control Colors*
Four new properties have been added to the segmented control:
- segmentColor: the background color of the unselected segments
- segmentSelectedColor: the background color of the selected segments.
- segmentLabelColor: the label color of the unselected segments.
- segmentSelectedLabelColor: the label color of the selected segments.

*Alignment Pane and Geometry Manager*
The above panes which were missing in previous DPs have been reinstated for
DP 9.

*The effective rect of stack on Linux*
This has been made more accurate.

*Extension folder locations within the IDE*
If you write plugins, or have code that relies on the location of
extensions then please ensure you use the provided access functions to
locate them.

*40 bug fixes*

*Known Issues*
- Cef Browser (and therefore the dictionary and browser widget) does not
currently work on 32-bit Linux
- HTML 5 standalones do not currently function when they contain extensions
with dependencies.

*Getting the release*
You can get the release at http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

LiveCode 8 is still in development so we?d love to hear any
feedback you have on it. There are a number of features that we?d like to
implement but aren?t ready yet and the existing features are subject to
change during development - we can?t guarantee that extensions written in
Developer Previews will continue to work the same way in later versions.

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93

The LiveCode Team


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 13:20:54 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:20:54 +0200
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <DE614F94-4727-478E-A6E8-FA457EA33527@livecode.org>
References: <DE614F94-4727-478E-A6E8-FA457EA33527@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <56462A06.1090406@gmail.com>

On 13/11/15 15:57, [-hh] wrote:
>>> Bob S. wrote:
>>> What really will blow everyone's skirt up
>>> is finding out what the question is ...
>> Richmond M. wrote:
>> I don't wear a skirt, I wear a kilt (which is made from heavier
>> material than the average skirt). Richmond.
> So wearing a kilt is one way to avoid impersonating Marilyn M.
>

I don't hang around over upward venting air-conditioning systems.

And nobody I know has, yet, tired calling me "Marilyn".

However, surely the answer here should be; "Where did this tangentialism 
lose contact
with LiveCode?"

R.
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From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Fri Nov 13 13:35:15 2015
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:35:15 +0100
Subject: Converting HTML to Jade?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1447412402.7435.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1447412402.7435.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FBD0481F-7EF5-47BD-9122-47D26967B002@de-mare.nl>

Thanks, Lyn. This is what I am looking for, but there is one last hurdle to take before I can use it.

I needed NPM to install it. But I needed Homebrew to install NPM. And Xcode to install Homebrew. Fortunately I already had Xcode installed. This is quite an effective fence to keep the non-geeks out. 

html2jade is working like a breeze when I run it from the terminal. However, when I use:
put shell("html2jade /path/to/LocalFile.html?)
I get:
/bin/sh: line 1: html2jade: command not found

Strange that the terminal doesn?t have problems finding it, while the LiveCode shell does. What am I doing wrong?


With kind regards,
Terry Vogelaar

> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:44:38 +0100
> From: Lyn Teyla <lyn.teyla at gmail.com>
> 
> Terry Vogelaar wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know if there is an easy way to convert HTML to Jade from within a LiveCode script?
> 
> I use the html2jade command line tool:
> 
> https://github.com/donpark/html2jade
> 
> You can run it from within LiveCode using the "shell" or "open process" commands, thereby integrating it directly into your workflow.
> 
> Lyn



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 13:45:01 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:45:01 -0500
Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack
In-Reply-To: <56462A06.1090406@gmail.com>
References: <DE614F94-4727-478E-A6E8-FA457EA33527@livecode.org>
	<56462A06.1090406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBD0BE52-03BF-451F-853F-FFC325D47805@gmail.com>

On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 13/11/15 15:57, [-hh] wrote:
>>>> Bob S. wrote:
>>>> What really will blow everyone's skirt up
>>>> is finding out what the question is ...
>>> Richmond M. wrote:
>>> I don't wear a skirt, I wear a kilt (which is made from heavier
>>> material than the average skirt). Richmond.
>> So wearing a kilt is one way to avoid impersonating Marilyn M.
>> 
> 
> I don't hang around over upward venting air-conditioning systems.
> 
> And nobody I know has, yet, tired calling me "Marilyn".
> 
> However, surely the answer here should be; "Where did this tangentialism lose contact
> with LiveCode?"

It didn't -- tan() is a valid LC function, and tan("Vector Images and the SVGL stack") = "Marilyn." Or maybe "kilt." My trigonometry is a bit rusty.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Nov 13 14:28:38 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:28:38 +0000
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
Message-ID: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>

Anyone used the JSON library with the latest LC 8 RC?s? I?m trying to do some simple testing and getting an error every time.

I have a stack with a button and a field. The button script is this:

on mouseUp
  answer file "Choose a JSON file:" as sheet
  if it is empty then exit to top
  put it into tJsonTxt
  put url ("file:" & tJsonTxt) into fld "rawJSON"
  put JsonImport(tJsonTxt) into tLCtext
  put tLCText is an array # do a  simple check to see what kind of data?s returned
end mouseUp

It always errors at put JsonImport: ?execution error at line 6 (extension: error occurred with domain) near ?runtime?, char 9?.

The JSON file is a simple example from http://json.org/example.html .

Do I just fundamentally not get how to use libraries in LC 8? I want to make sure I?m not doing something stupid before I start filing bug reports.

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Nov 13 14:31:31 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:31:31 +0000
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <56463A93.1090005@livecode.com>

On 13/11/2015 19:28, Devin Asay wrote:
> Anyone used the JSON library with the latest LC 8 RC?s? I?m trying to do some simple testing and getting an error every time.
>
> I have a stack with a button and a field. The button script is this:
>
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "Choose a JSON file:" as sheet
>    if it is empty then exit to top
>    put it into tJsonTxt
>    put url ("file:" & tJsonTxt) into fld "rawJSON"
>    put JsonImport(tJsonTxt) into tLCtext
>    put tLCText is an array # do a  simple check to see what kind of data?s returned
> end mouseUp
>
> It always errors at put JsonImport: ?execution error at line 6 (extension: error occurred with domain) near ?runtime?, char 9?.
>
> The JSON file is a simple example from http://json.org/example.html .
>
> Do I just fundamentally not get how to use libraries in LC 8? I want to make sure I?m not doing something stupid before I start filing bug reports.

Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell.

Exactly which of the examples are you trying to import?

Thanks,

                  Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team



From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Nov 13 14:39:33 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:39:33 +0000
Subject: LiveCode meet-up at FOSDEM 2016
Message-ID: <56463C75.3030107@livecode.com>

Hi all,

I'll be at the Free and Open Source Developer's European Meeting 
(FOSDEM) 2016 in Brussels on the 30th and 31st of January 2016.

https://fosdem.org/2016/

Any continental Europe-based LiveCode users want to meet up at the 
conference?

                                Peter
-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 14:48:45 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:48:45 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com>

Considerably better than DP 8.

Well Done!

Richmond.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Nov 13 14:54:04 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:54:04 +0000
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <56463A93.1090005@livecode.com>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
	<56463A93.1090005@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <85F3A3B1-EBD6-4B28-BD9D-842F9204F154@byu.edu>


> On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
> 
> On 13/11/2015 19:28, Devin Asay wrote:
>> Anyone used the JSON library with the latest LC 8 RC?s? I?m trying to do some simple testing and getting an error every time.
>> 
>> I have a stack with a button and a field. The button script is this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   answer file "Choose a JSON file:" as sheet
>>   if it is empty then exit to top
>>   put it into tJsonTxt
>>   put url ("file:" & tJsonTxt) into fld "rawJSON"
>>   put JsonImport(tJsonTxt) into tLCtext
>>   put tLCText is an array # do a  simple check to see what kind of data?s returned
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> It always errors at put JsonImport: ?execution error at line 6 (extension: error occurred with domain) near ?runtime?, char 9?.
>> 
>> The JSON file is a simple example from http://json.org/example.html .
>> 
>> Do I just fundamentally not get how to use libraries in LC 8? I want to make sure I?m not doing something stupid before I start filing bug reports.
> 
> Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell.
> 
> Exactly which of the examples are you trying to import?

I tried the very first one

{
    "glossary": {
        "title": "example glossary",
		"GlossDiv": {
            "title": "S",
			"GlossList": {
                "GlossEntry": {
                    "ID": "SGML",
					"SortAs": "SGML",
					"GlossTerm": "Standard Generalized Markup Language",
					"Acronym": "SGML",
					"Abbrev": "ISO 8879:1986",
					"GlossDef": {
                        "para": "A meta-markup language, used to create markup languages such as DocBook.",
						"GlossSeeAlso": ["GML", "XML"]
                    },
					"GlossSee": "markup"
                }
            }
        }
    }
}

And I tried the very last one:

{"menu": {
    "header": "SVG Viewer",
    "items": [
        {"id": "Open"},
        {"id": "OpenNew", "label": "Open New"},
        null,
        {"id": "ZoomIn", "label": "Zoom In"},
        {"id": "ZoomOut", "label": "Zoom Out"},
        {"id": "OriginalView", "label": "Original View"},
        null,
        {"id": "Quality"},
        {"id": "Pause"},
        {"id": "Mute"},
        null,
        {"id": "Find", "label": "Find..."},
        {"id": "FindAgain", "label": "Find Again"},
        {"id": "Copy"},
        {"id": "CopyAgain", "label": "Copy Again"},
        {"id": "CopySVG", "label": "Copy SVG"},
        {"id": "ViewSVG", "label": "View SVG"},
        {"id": "ViewSource", "label": "View Source"},
        {"id": "SaveAs", "label": "Save As"},
        null,
        {"id": "Help"},
        {"id": "About", "label": "About Adobe CVG Viewer..."}
    ]
}}

 
I just copy-pasted them into BBEdit and saved them out as text files.

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Nov 13 14:54:04 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:54:04 -0800
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <56463A93.1090005@livecode.com>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
	<56463A93.1090005@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNjCz=40kZOL5=Z0t7Z-nVt7B6a8_CMsKK+4TEz8skErw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Devin,
I'm using jsonImport in LC8DP7 with no issues, haven't tried it in DP8 or
DP9 yet.  The only difference is I use textDecode on the URL.  I'm using it
to decode the LC8 dictionary file.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
wrote:

> On 13/11/2015 19:28, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> Anyone used the JSON library with the latest LC 8 RC?s? I?m trying to do
>> some simple testing and getting an error every time.
>>
>> I have a stack with a button and a field. The button script is this:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    answer file "Choose a JSON file:" as sheet
>>    if it is empty then exit to top
>>    put it into tJsonTxt
>>    put url ("file:" & tJsonTxt) into fld "rawJSON"
>>    put JsonImport(tJsonTxt) into tLCtext
>>    put tLCText is an array # do a  simple check to see what kind of
>> data?s returned
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> It always errors at put JsonImport: ?execution error at line 6
>> (extension: error occurred with domain) near ?runtime?, char 9?.
>>
>> The JSON file is a simple example from http://json.org/example.html .
>>
>> Do I just fundamentally not get how to use libraries in LC 8? I want to
>> make sure I?m not doing something stupid before I start filing bug reports.
>>
>
> Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell.
>
> Exactly which of the examples are you trying to import?
>
> Thanks,
>
>                  Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Open Source Team
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Nov 13 15:06:41 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:06:41 +0000
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjCz=40kZOL5=Z0t7Z-nVt7B6a8_CMsKK+4TEz8skErw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
	<56463A93.1090005@livecode.com>
	<CAGDT7eNjCz=40kZOL5=Z0t7Z-nVt7B6a8_CMsKK+4TEz8skErw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <707FD325-8990-4961-BD24-3615C21AE655@byu.edu>


> On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Devin,
> I'm using jsonImport in LC8DP7 with no issues, haven't tried it in DP8 or
> DP9 yet.  The only difference is I use textDecode on the URL.  I'm using it
> to decode the LC8 dictionary file.

Oh, I hadn?t thought of that, but unfortunately that didn?t help. Not surprising, because the text is all lower ascii, so there probably wasn?t any decoding required.

devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Nov 13 15:54:20 2015
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:54:20 -0500
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9Br2yhCS3sZg69SeXy4F7UeueaRDK136ZBEAgd=ZKHTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Anyone used the JSON library with the latest LC 8 RC?s? I?m trying to do
> some simple testing and getting an error every time.
>
> I have a stack with a button and a field. The button script is this:
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer file "Choose a JSON file:" as sheet
>   if it is empty then exit to top
>   put it into tJsonTxt
>   put url ("file:" & tJsonTxt) into fld "rawJSON"
>   put JsonImport(tJsonTxt) into tLCtext
>   put tLCText is an array # do a  simple check to see what kind of data?s
> returned
> end mouseUp
>

Devin,

It looks like you are trying to pass the filename to the JsonImport
function. Try passing in the text of field "rawJSON" instead.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Nov 13 16:03:29 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:03:29 +0000
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9Br2yhCS3sZg69SeXy4F7UeueaRDK136ZBEAgd=ZKHTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
	<CAHg3tG9Br2yhCS3sZg69SeXy4F7UeueaRDK136ZBEAgd=ZKHTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5539403A-B7F4-4C2E-8A8E-E59A720D7BCC@byu.edu>


> On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone used the JSON library with the latest LC 8 RC?s? I?m trying to do
>> some simple testing and getting an error every time.
>> 
>> I have a stack with a button and a field. The button script is this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer file "Choose a JSON file:" as sheet
>>  if it is empty then exit to top
>>  put it into tJsonTxt
>>  put url ("file:" & tJsonTxt) into fld "rawJSON"
>>  put JsonImport(tJsonTxt) into tLCtext
>>  put tLCText is an array # do a  simple check to see what kind of data?s
>> returned
>> end mouseUp
>> 
> 
> Devin,
> 
> It looks like you are trying to pass the filename to the JsonImport
> function. Try passing in the text of field "rawJSON" instead.

Arrrgh!!! Rookie mistake! Thanks, Trevor. That was it.

devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Nov 13 16:07:31 2015
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:07:31 -0500
Subject: LC 8 and JSON
In-Reply-To: <5539403A-B7F4-4C2E-8A8E-E59A720D7BCC@byu.edu>
References: <C207A74A-FC9A-4676-8B91-81CDB2818577@byu.edu>
	<CAHg3tG9Br2yhCS3sZg69SeXy4F7UeueaRDK136ZBEAgd=ZKHTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5539403A-B7F4-4C2E-8A8E-E59A720D7BCC@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-HYbXvH-251FKRCOL3aMs+CgV_JGA2YJB60Cwh_aFwxw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

>
> Thanks, Trevor. That was it.
>

Carry on then :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Nov 13 17:27:47 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:27:47 +0000
Subject: ios custom URL scheme
Message-ID: <DUB114-W3390F70D3F5B1C186B1937ED110@phx.gbl>

I have been thinking about the custom URL scheme... and wonder what it is useful for ?
Has anyone employed a custom URL in an app and would you like to tell what you used it to do ?

Would it be possible to send a text message to a phone that contains a custom URL that could be used to launch an app on the device ?
 		 	   		  

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Nov 13 17:58:21 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:58:21 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
> Considerably better than DP 8.
>
> Well Done!

Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?

User plugins are again not loaded.
You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
Editing is painful:
  Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
  Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
  Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
  The Apply button stays yellow.
Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
  Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
  Maybe the engine is still compiling.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Nov 13 18:37:39 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 23:37:39 +0000
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <56467443.8000107@tweedly.net>

On 13/11/2015 22:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>
>> Well Done!
>
> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>
> User plugins are again not loaded.

I'm getting them loaded - kind-of.

If I have lcStackBrowser in my Plugins directory, then it tries to load 
bvgDocu2 (which is not in my Plugins directory - in fact, I can't figure 
out where it loads it from). This gives me a message box saying it is 
"Creating a Docu 2 database for Livecode 8.0.0-dp-9",  and then hangs; 
can't close the box, can do a few other things, but not many - and can't 
even quit LC, I need to Force-quit.

Other plugins load OK.

No other problems to report, because I just can't bear to use LC without 
lcStackBrowser, so I'm going back to DP4 which is able to run 
lcStackBrowser OK.

MacOSX 10.10.5 - but I'm not sure if this is a LC or a lcStackBrowser or 
a bvgDocu problem, so no bug report opened yet.

-- Alex.





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Nov 13 18:02:45 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:02:45 -0600
Subject: ios custom URL scheme
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W3390F70D3F5B1C186B1937ED110@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W3390F70D3F5B1C186B1937ED110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56466C15.7070002@hyperactivesw.com>

On 11/13/2015 4:27 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> Would it be possible to send a text message to a phone that contains
> a custom URL that could be used to launch an app on the device ?

I hope not. That sounds a little like what the Stagefright virus does on 
Android phones.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Nov 13 18:45:39 2015
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 23:45:39 +0000
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester
In-Reply-To: <1447368983339-4698735.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D26A5D20.1ADE6%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<1447368983339-4698735.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D26CC08B.1AE96%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Got it - thanks Gerard.

Terry?

On 13/11/2015 9:56 am, "use-livecode on behalf of gmcrev"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of gmcrev at tpg.com.au>
wrote:

>Thanks Terry
>Glad you got it working.
>But this was a bit of a rushed release.
>I uploaded a version 1.05 today with about 20 little bug fixes.
>These were related to getting all the Parameters right and removing quotes
>from booleans.
>See the stack script for a list.
>Card 2 now has a basic file and folder path lists.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----
>Gerard
>--
>View this message in context:
>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-DropboxAPI-2-tester-tp4
>698445p4698735.html
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Nov 13 18:50:46 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:50:46 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <56467443.8000107@tweedly.net>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56467443.8000107@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN_ik4mkStp6qw8jtvxntLq+0BmBYo=xGDjfHW+=QuuuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex,
I will do some testing with lcStackbrowser and dp9.  It goes through a
process of discovering new properties when it is run under a version of LC
it hasn't seen before and that process has changed considerably with the
advent of LC8.  It was based on how things were in DP7 and since LC8 is
still very fluid, it wouldn't surprise me if something changed in DP8/9
that affects what I'm doing.

In the next release, that process will go away and be replaced by
downloading a file from my web server containing new property definitions
for each new release.

Are you on the latest version of lcStackbrowser (2.2.1)?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> On 13/11/2015 22:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>>
>>> Well Done!
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>>
>> User plugins are again not loaded.
>>
>
> I'm getting them loaded - kind-of.
>
> If I have lcStackBrowser in my Plugins directory, then it tries to load
> bvgDocu2 (which is not in my Plugins directory - in fact, I can't figure
> out where it loads it from). This gives me a message box saying it is
> "Creating a Docu 2 database for Livecode 8.0.0-dp-9",  and then hangs;
> can't close the box, can do a few other things, but not many - and can't
> even quit LC, I need to Force-quit.
>
> Other plugins load OK.
>
> No other problems to report, because I just can't bear to use LC without
> lcStackBrowser, so I'm going back to DP4 which is able to run
> lcStackBrowser OK.
>
> MacOSX 10.10.5 - but I'm not sure if this is a LC or a lcStackBrowser or a
> bvgDocu problem, so no bug report opened yet.
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
>
>
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From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Nov 13 18:54:31 2015
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 23:54:31 +0000
Subject: ios custom URL scheme
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W3390F70D3F5B1C186B1937ED110@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W3390F70D3F5B1C186B1937ED110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D26CC174.1AEA2%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Hi John - these are a couple of things I?ve used them for?

1. Adding them to timetable events that students can sync to their
calendars. Clicking the urls opens a custom app that provides them with
access to all the learning resources associated with the event.

2. Installing configuration profiles (list of students, assessors,
questions etc) on an iPad-based assessment app - the custom url contains
the path to an encrypted dropbox file containing the profile data

The text message thing should work just fine.

Terry...

On 14/11/2015 9:27 am, "use-livecode on behalf of John Dixon"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>I have been thinking about the custom URL scheme... and wonder what it is
>useful for ?
>Has anyone employed a custom URL in an app and would you like to tell
>what you used it to do ?
>
>Would it be possible to send a text message to a phone that contains a
>custom URL that could be used to launch an app on the device ?
> 		 	   		  
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From alex at tweedly.org  Fri Nov 13 20:25:36 2015
From: alex at tweedly.org (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 01:25:36 +0000
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN_ik4mkStp6qw8jtvxntLq+0BmBYo=xGDjfHW+=QuuuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56467443.8000107@tweedly.net>
	<CAGDT7eN_ik4mkStp6qw8jtvxntLq+0BmBYo=xGDjfHW+=QuuuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56468D90.8000909@tweedly.org>

It turns out I was wrong - I can't get it to run in 8.0-dp-4

I've been using that version of LC8 - but only doing minimal stuff, 
testing stacks that were developed under 7.0.  I had changed 
lcStackbrowser to be run 'on request', instead of 'on startup' because I 
had had problems,  so I wasn't actually using it in LC8 at all.

I upgraded to 2.2.1 but still have problems with 8.0 versions. When I 
run lcStackBrowser, it tries to run bvgDocu2 which fails.
It is now failing with a different error message than before (in both 
DP4 and DP9).
(error message is about arraydecode from a URL (...../dict.index))

So I decided I probably had an old version of bvgDocu - downloaded it, 
and it now fails with
"Can't find background" error when executing
    show group "please stand by"

You know what - I'll just wait for a better version of LC8, and the news 
that both you and bvg have been able to successfully run your plugins, 
and then I'll try to move up from LC7 to LC8.

Thanks
-- Alex.



On 13/11/2015 23:50, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> I will do some testing with lcStackbrowser and dp9.  It goes through a
> process of discovering new properties when it is run under a version of LC
> it hasn't seen before and that process has changed considerably with the
> advent of LC8.  It was based on how things were in DP7 and since LC8 is
> still very fluid, it wouldn't surprise me if something changed in DP8/9
> that affects what I'm doing.
>
> In the next release, that process will go away and be replaced by
> downloading a file from my web server containing new property definitions
> for each new release.
>
> Are you on the latest version of lcStackbrowser (2.2.1)?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>> On 13/11/2015 22:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>>>
>>>> Well Done!
>>>>
>>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>>>
>>> User plugins are again not loaded.
>>>
>> I'm getting them loaded - kind-of.
>>
>> If I have lcStackBrowser in my Plugins directory, then it tries to load
>> bvgDocu2 (which is not in my Plugins directory - in fact, I can't figure
>> out where it loads it from). This gives me a message box saying it is
>> "Creating a Docu 2 database for Livecode 8.0.0-dp-9",  and then hangs;
>> can't close the box, can do a few other things, but not many - and can't
>> even quit LC, I need to Force-quit.
>>
>> Other plugins load OK.
>>
>> No other problems to report, because I just can't bear to use LC without
>> lcStackBrowser, so I'm going back to DP4 which is able to run
>> lcStackBrowser OK.
>>
>> MacOSX 10.10.5 - but I'm not sure if this is a LC or a lcStackBrowser or a
>> bvgDocu problem, so no bug report opened yet.
>>
>> -- Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Nov 13 20:51:46 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:51:46 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <56468D90.8000909@tweedly.org>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56467443.8000107@tweedly.net>
	<CAGDT7eN_ik4mkStp6qw8jtvxntLq+0BmBYo=xGDjfHW+=QuuuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56468D90.8000909@tweedly.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNOPaCbGa3UiOdVSxcTYKkcLEWP7aTV0HdTmBEGurAGmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info Alex, I'll try to track it down over the weekend.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.org> wrote:

> It turns out I was wrong - I can't get it to run in 8.0-dp-4
>
> I've been using that version of LC8 - but only doing minimal stuff,
> testing stacks that were developed under 7.0.  I had changed lcStackbrowser
> to be run 'on request', instead of 'on startup' because I had had
> problems,  so I wasn't actually using it in LC8 at all.
>
> I upgraded to 2.2.1 but still have problems with 8.0 versions. When I run
> lcStackBrowser, it tries to run bvgDocu2 which fails.
> It is now failing with a different error message than before (in both DP4
> and DP9).
> (error message is about arraydecode from a URL (...../dict.index))
>
> So I decided I probably had an old version of bvgDocu - downloaded it, and
> it now fails with
> "Can't find background" error when executing
>    show group "please stand by"
>
> You know what - I'll just wait for a better version of LC8, and the news
> that both you and bvg have been able to successfully run your plugins, and
> then I'll try to move up from LC7 to LC8.
>
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
>
>
>
> On 13/11/2015 23:50, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>> I will do some testing with lcStackbrowser and dp9.  It goes through a
>> process of discovering new properties when it is run under a version of LC
>> it hasn't seen before and that process has changed considerably with the
>> advent of LC8.  It was based on how things were in DP7 and since LC8 is
>> still very fluid, it wouldn't surprise me if something changed in DP8/9
>> that affects what I'm doing.
>>
>> In the next release, that process will go away and be replaced by
>> downloading a file from my web server containing new property definitions
>> for each new release.
>>
>> Are you on the latest version of lcStackbrowser (2.2.1)?
>>
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 13/11/2015 22:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well Done!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>>>>
>>>> User plugins are again not loaded.
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting them loaded - kind-of.
>>>
>>> If I have lcStackBrowser in my Plugins directory, then it tries to load
>>> bvgDocu2 (which is not in my Plugins directory - in fact, I can't figure
>>> out where it loads it from). This gives me a message box saying it is
>>> "Creating a Docu 2 database for Livecode 8.0.0-dp-9",  and then hangs;
>>> can't close the box, can do a few other things, but not many - and can't
>>> even quit LC, I need to Force-quit.
>>>
>>> Other plugins load OK.
>>>
>>> No other problems to report, because I just can't bear to use LC without
>>> lcStackBrowser, so I'm going back to DP4 which is able to run
>>> lcStackBrowser OK.
>>>
>>> MacOSX 10.10.5 - but I'm not sure if this is a LC or a lcStackBrowser or
>>> a
>>> bvgDocu problem, so no bug report opened yet.
>>>
>>> -- Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Nov 13 20:57:07 2015
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:57:07 -0800
Subject: Converting HTML to Jade?
In-Reply-To: <FBD0481F-7EF5-47BD-9122-47D26967B002@de-mare.nl>
References: <mailman.3.1447412402.7435.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<FBD0481F-7EF5-47BD-9122-47D26967B002@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+T+tvhcdEEAtCs3ctXoxs2cccF2uW4CxKUt-0jP44X_w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Terry Vogelaar <tvogelaar at de-mare.nl>
wrote:

> Strange that the terminal doesn?t have problems finding it, while the
> LiveCode shell does. What am I doing wrong?


there's a space after html2jade -- I am pretty sure it needs to be encoded.

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words


From david at viral.academy  Fri Nov 13 22:00:22 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 03:00:22 +0000
Subject: LiveCode meet-up at FOSDEM 2016
In-Reply-To: <56463C75.3030107@livecode.com>
References: <56463C75.3030107@livecode.com>
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Yes - I went last year. Will also be going to CCC again this year, and
would be interested in doing a village involving LiveCode.

On Friday, 13 November 2015, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'll be at the Free and Open Source Developer's European Meeting (FOSDEM)
> 2016 in Brussels on the 30th and 31st of January 2016.
>
> https://fosdem.org/2016/
>
> Any continental Europe-based LiveCode users want to meet up at the
> conference?
>
>                                Peter
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Open Source Team
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Sat Nov 14 02:46:23 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:46:23 +0000
Subject: LiveCode meet-up at FOSDEM 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOEyg6ccA7M-pF3P+2GHao6awE+Q0PFFcdu9e2dE4OhDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56463C75.3030107@livecode.com>
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On 14/11/2015 03:00, David Bovill wrote:
> Yes - I went last year. Will also be going to CCC again this year, and
> would be interested in doing a village involving LiveCode.

Cool -- please keep me up-to-date with your plans for CCC!

When during FOSDEM do you think would be best for a LiveCode meet-up? 
During either Saturday or Sunday?  Or maybe the Friday evening?

                            Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Open Source Team



From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Nov 14 04:34:32 2015
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:34:32 +0100
Subject: Google maps and fullscreenmode
Message-ID: <E4E1A553-7FF7-4A71-BE07-41D111A246F4@laposte.net>

Hello,

I want to display google maps on an mobile app.
My app use the fullscreenmode property to display on any device.
But on "retina" screens, my map is very smaller (in the html code of the google map page, we need to put the width and height in pixels).
Even if i adjust the pixel size of the map, all the content of web page are very small.

here a screenshot :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r31dqli5zjk4fm/Capture%20d%E2%80%99%C3%A9cran%202015-11-14%20%C3%A0%2010.28.30.png?dl=0

At left the normal display, at right on the simulator of an iphone 5.

Any ideas to show a real size of the web page ?

Livecode 6.7.7

thanks


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 06:08:39 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:08:39 +0200
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <56471637.30100@gmail.com>

On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>
>> Well Done!
>
> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?

I don't think that's the case.

What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me about 
DP 8 and thou art
looking for things that worried thee.

1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole computer.

2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs palette.

and so on.

Richmond.

>
> User plugins are again not loaded.
> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
> Editing is painful:
>  Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
>  Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
>  Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
>  The Apply button stays yellow.
> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
> Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
> Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
>  Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
>  Maybe the engine is still compiling.
>




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Nov 14 06:56:23 2015
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:56:23 +0100
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
Message-ID: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I have a ? Terms of Use ? problem with LiveCode.

I bought into Livecode  several years ago, using it every day for my private use.
I have stopped buying the new versions of LiveCode as they become available,
because I am happy with 5.5, I can?t afford to upgrade, and I never wished to
sell my apps !.
I wrote a personal Family Tree program for free distribution to my family members.
It can only be used by members of my family.
I am now confused with the terms of sale of the various LiveCode licences.
Life is becoming complicated.

1 - Am I allowed to GIVE, for no financial gain, my 5.5 developed Family Tree program,
or any silly games I have created, to other members of the family or my friends ?
2 - What can I do, and NOT do with my 5.5 liveCode ? What are the 5.5 licence rules ?
3 - My Son-in-Law works for a company who use a dictionary of terms used in the
automobile industry, in four languages, which is impossible to learn. I wrote an application
to make available the references of all of the terms in a rapid user-friendly display.
Can I GIVE this application to my Son-in-Law  for his own personal use ?
4 - If I want to make available a free version of this application to other members of the
company where my son-in-law works, under what conditions may I do this ?
5 - If I buy a business version of LiveCode and SELL the application to my sons company
(because they will love it), what happens after the expiration of my licence.
Can the company still use the application ?

Sorry to bother you with these questions, but even with my high IQ, I can?t understand your
licence rules, especially as they have been much modified since I BOUGHT 5.5 quite some time ago.
You may address any answers to my e-mail, but I honestly think that they will interest
the LiveCode community.

Best Regards

-Francis

? Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 09:17:09 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:17:09 +0200
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <56474265.9000509@gmail.com>

On 14/11/15 13:56, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Bulgaria is really very beautiful just now with super, autumnal weather 
. . .

>
> I have a ? Terms of Use ? problem with LiveCode.

I wonder if my "lack of problems" is due to my terminal naivety or my 
basically criminal nature . . .

At the risk of putting my big, fat foot right in the manure, here goes.

>
> I bought into Livecode  several years ago, using it every day for my private use.
> I have stopped buying the new versions of LiveCode as they become available,
> because I am happy with 5.5, I can?t afford to upgrade, and I never wished to
> sell my apps !.
> I wrote a personal Family Tree program for free distribution to my family members.
> It can only be used by members of my family.
> I am now confused with the terms of sale of the various LiveCode licences.
> Life is becoming complicated.
>
> 1 - Am I allowed to GIVE, for no financial gain, my 5.5 developed Family Tree program,
> or any silly games I have created, to other members of the family or my friends ?

As far as I am aware you can do absolutely anything you like with a 
stand-alone program you
generate from any version of LiveCode that you legally own.

I, for the sake of argument, have been merrily selling, giving away and 
forcing on others, programs of all sorts
made using both commercial LiveCode 4.0 and 4.5 (which I own),

and giving away and forcing on others (but NOT selling), programs of all 
sorts
made using any community (open source) version you care to think of.

You can (so I understand) sell programs made using the community versions,
but you have to wrap the thing up with an Open Source license and also make
the original stacks available to any one who wants them.

> 2 - What can I do, and NOT do with my 5.5 liveCode ? What are the 5.5 licence rules ?

I think that you will find that you can deploy it on as many computers 
as you like on the understanding that ONLY YOU
are actually using your commercial version to develop things.

> 3 - My Son-in-Law works for a company who use a dictionary of terms used in the
> automobile industry, in four languages, which is impossible to learn. I wrote an application
> to make available the references of all of the terms in a rapid user-friendly display.
> Can I GIVE this application to my Son-in-Law  for his own personal use ?

Yup.
> 4 - If I want to make available a free version of this application to other members of the
> company where my son-in-law works, under what conditions may I do this ?

None as long as the stacks are password protected so that no-one can 
"suck out the juice".

> 5 - If I buy a business version of LiveCode and SELL the application to my sons company
> (because they will love it), what happens after the expiration of my licence.
> Can the company still use the application ?

Of course: that would be a load of cobblers if every time your developer 
license ran out
all your customers had to either stump up new money for you, or wait 
until you renewed
your developer license.

>
> Sorry to bother you with these questions, but even with my high IQ, I can?t understand your
> licence rules, especially as they have been much modified since I BOUGHT 5.5 quite some time ago.
> You may address any answers to my e-mail, but I honestly think that they will interest
> the LiveCode community.

I don't know how high your I.Q. is; but what I can tell you is that 
when, at 17 (this is, after all,
the sort of thing that teenage males tend to do to boost their fragile 
egos) I took an I.Q. test
I got the princely score of 142: since then I have been proven stupid so 
many times I've lost
count! As far as I can tell all that an I.Q. test result tells you is 
how good you are at taking I.Q. tests.

And the LiveCode licence rules do seem a bit hard to understand: I do 
hope they coincide
with my understanding of them as I have described here.

>
> Best Regards
>
> -Francis
>
>

However, I do heartily recommend that you DON'T take my word on this, 
and I hope that our combined "Noise" will
raise a definitive ruling from the mothership . . . Heather, would you 
care to let me ruin your weekend once again?

Wishing you sunny, douce weather where ever you are.

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 09:28:31 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:28:31 -0700
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <56474265.9000509@gmail.com>
References: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
	<56474265.9000509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo5VUkXm_89jAj3QpvYZ9918wsrhSRpvLHYmsD6j9Y5nw@mail.gmail.com>

If I recall correctly,  5.5 was of the "you own it forever" versions of LC,
rather than the newer "it expired, so if ya wanna keep using LC (the dev
environment) you gotta pay again" version.  With the newer license set,
again If I Recall Correctly, zny apps you've already written (if you were
to use the newer version) are still functional out in the wild, but if you
wanted to modify/adjust/improve and your newer license had expired, you
couldn't do so without paying.  If you wish to "give away free" and don't
mind sharing your code, the community version is of course available.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 14/11/15 13:56, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
>
>> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>>
>
> Bulgaria is really very beautiful just now with super, autumnal weather .
> . .
>
>
>> I have a ? Terms of Use ? problem with LiveCode.
>>
>
> I wonder if my "lack of problems" is due to my terminal naivety or my
> basically criminal nature . . .
>
> At the risk of putting my big, fat foot right in the manure, here goes.
>
>
>> I bought into Livecode  several years ago, using it every day for my
>> private use.
>> I have stopped buying the new versions of LiveCode as they become
>> available,
>> because I am happy with 5.5, I can?t afford to upgrade, and I never
>> wished to
>> sell my apps !.
>> I wrote a personal Family Tree program for free distribution to my family
>> members.
>> It can only be used by members of my family.
>> I am now confused with the terms of sale of the various LiveCode licences.
>> Life is becoming complicated.
>>
>> 1 - Am I allowed to GIVE, for no financial gain, my 5.5 developed Family
>> Tree program,
>> or any silly games I have created, to other members of the family or my
>> friends ?
>>
>
> As far as I am aware you can do absolutely anything you like with a
> stand-alone program you
> generate from any version of LiveCode that you legally own.
>
> I, for the sake of argument, have been merrily selling, giving away and
> forcing on others, programs of all sorts
> made using both commercial LiveCode 4.0 and 4.5 (which I own),
>
> and giving away and forcing on others (but NOT selling), programs of all
> sorts
> made using any community (open source) version you care to think of.
>
> You can (so I understand) sell programs made using the community versions,
> but you have to wrap the thing up with an Open Source license and also make
> the original stacks available to any one who wants them.
>
> 2 - What can I do, and NOT do with my 5.5 liveCode ? What are the 5.5
>> licence rules ?
>>
>
> I think that you will find that you can deploy it on as many computers as
> you like on the understanding that ONLY YOU
> are actually using your commercial version to develop things.
>
> 3 - My Son-in-Law works for a company who use a dictionary of terms used
>> in the
>> automobile industry, in four languages, which is impossible to learn. I
>> wrote an application
>> to make available the references of all of the terms in a rapid
>> user-friendly display.
>> Can I GIVE this application to my Son-in-Law  for his own personal use ?
>>
>
> Yup.
>
>> 4 - If I want to make available a free version of this application to
>> other members of the
>> company where my son-in-law works, under what conditions may I do this ?
>>
>
> None as long as the stacks are password protected so that no-one can "suck
> out the juice".
>
> 5 - If I buy a business version of LiveCode and SELL the application to my
>> sons company
>> (because they will love it), what happens after the expiration of my
>> licence.
>> Can the company still use the application ?
>>
>
> Of course: that would be a load of cobblers if every time your developer
> license ran out
> all your customers had to either stump up new money for you, or wait until
> you renewed
> your developer license.
>
>
>> Sorry to bother you with these questions, but even with my high IQ, I
>> can?t understand your
>> licence rules, especially as they have been much modified since I BOUGHT
>> 5.5 quite some time ago.
>> You may address any answers to my e-mail, but I honestly think that they
>> will interest
>> the LiveCode community.
>>
>
> I don't know how high your I.Q. is; but what I can tell you is that when,
> at 17 (this is, after all,
> the sort of thing that teenage males tend to do to boost their fragile
> egos) I took an I.Q. test
> I got the princely score of 142: since then I have been proven stupid so
> many times I've lost
> count! As far as I can tell all that an I.Q. test result tells you is how
> good you are at taking I.Q. tests.
>
> And the LiveCode licence rules do seem a bit hard to understand: I do hope
> they coincide
> with my understanding of them as I have described here.
>
>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> -Francis
>>
>>
>>
> However, I do heartily recommend that you DON'T take my word on this, and
> I hope that our combined "Noise" will
> raise a definitive ruling from the mothership . . . Heather, would you
> care to let me ruin your weekend once again?
>
> Wishing you sunny, douce weather where ever you are.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov 14 09:50:00 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:50:00 -0500
Subject: html->array
Message-ID: <CADCoycOt6RE_tTtiy75g8cszoaySPvmK81f+f=isVEBoV4UZYA@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone embarked on parsing out a web page?  I would think the best
thing to do would be to encode it as an array, but I'm open to other ideas.

My scraper is straining.  I need to try something different...

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Sat Nov 14 09:41:17 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 06:41:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1447512077316-4698776.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,

You didn't mention how you are distributing your programs or what platforms
your users have. My understanding is if you build standalones from your
licensed version those standalones can be distributed at no further cost to
you. At least those were the terms I recall from the 5.x era. (I know the
more recent "Indy license" put some limits on that scenario.)

If you want to distribute your stacks directly, your users will need to get
some version of LC to use your stacks. 

If you are making standalones for Mac users, you may find that 5.x doesn't
work on newer Mac OS versions due to Apple's continual changes. So,
Mac-wise, 5.x could be a dead end. Have you considered using the Community
Edition for your projects?

Tom B. 



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From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Nov 14 10:27:57 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 15:27:57 +0000
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <1447512077316-4698776.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>,
	<1447512077316-4698776.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F3D61AEA26083D3A.BBBDF42F-3476-4640-B4BA-17C82E387296@mail.outlook.com>

I will try, just to check on my own understanding

With the community license which I think we can assume your old copy of 5.5 falls under ( you could upgrade to the latest at no cost)  you can create and give away apps freely to any one.

If you want to sell it, want to password protect your stacks or put on iOS store, as a mobile app, you need to have at least an Indy license.

I think (hope) it is that simple

BR

Swasti Astu! Be Well

( from my mobile )




On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:55 AM -0800, "tbodine" <bodine at bodinetraininggames.com<mailto:bodine at bodinetraininggames.com>> wrote:

Hi,

You didn't mention how you are distributing your programs or what platforms
your users have. My understanding is if you build standalones from your
licensed version those standalones can be distributed at no further cost to
you. At least those were the terms I recall from the 5.x era. (I know the
more recent "Indy license" put some limits on that scenario.)

If you want to distribute your stacks directly, your users will need to get
some version of LC to use your stacks.

If you are making standalones for Mac users, you may find that 5.x doesn't
work on newer Mac OS versions due to Apple's continual changes. So,
Mac-wise, 5.x could be a dead end. Have you considered using the Community
Edition for your projects?

Tom B.



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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 10:53:32 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:53:32 -0800
Subject: html->array
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOt6RE_tTtiy75g8cszoaySPvmK81f+f=isVEBoV4UZYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOt6RE_tTtiy75g8cszoaySPvmK81f+f=isVEBoV4UZYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DrynApLo6MFi5kEXnv_dred2uNN7UbrX3myPMU+14sP=A@mail.gmail.com>

I imagine the problem isn't storing it, but rather dealing with all the
possible exceptions to proper html.

Perhaps you could pass it through some kind of html fixer. I found a half
dozen websites and an open source project with one Google search
http://tidy.sourceforge.net/
On Nov 14, 2015 06:50, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Has anyone embarked on parsing out a web page?  I would think the best
> thing to do would be to encode it as an array, but I'm open to other ideas.
>
> My scraper is straining.  I need to try something different...
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 11:07:39 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 11:07:39 -0500
Subject: html->array
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOt6RE_tTtiy75g8cszoaySPvmK81f+f=isVEBoV4UZYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOt6RE_tTtiy75g8cszoaySPvmK81f+f=isVEBoV4UZYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57C13D5C-6910-4905-A15D-D869B937B7CA@gmail.com>

When I wrote something to do page scraping I used mostly string tricks to reduce the source to a list of what I wanted. Below is the whole script, and the different handlers let me get the text, images, videos, or links from a page:


global gPageURL

function getText pPageSource
   put replaceText(pPageSource,"(?:<(?P<tag>script|style)[\s\S]*?</(?P=tag)>)|(?:<!--[\s\S]*?-->)|(?:<[\s\S]*?>)","") into pPageSource
   replace lf with "" in pPageSource
   replace tab with " " in pPageSource
   return pPageSource
end getText

function getMedia pPageSource
   put ".jpg,.png,.gif,.jpeg,.mov,.mp4,m4v,.mp3" into tExtensions
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of items in tExtensions
      put item a of tExtensions into tExtension
      replace tExtension with tExtension & "*" & return in pPageSource
   end repeat
   repeat with a = the number of lines in pPageSource down to 1
      put line a of pPageSource into tLine
      if the last char of tLine is "*" then
         delete the last char of tLine
         put removeLeaders(gPageURL,tLine) into line a of pPageSource
      else
         delete line a of pPageSource
      end if
   end repeat
   return pPageSource
end getMedia

function removeLeaders pPageURL,pLinkURL
   put quote&"'()" into tDelimiters
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of chars in tDelimiters
      put char a of tDelimiters into tDelimiter
      set the itemdelimiter to tDelimiter
      put the last item of pLinkURL into pLinkURL
   end repeat
   return getPath(pPageURL,pLinkURL)
end removeLeaders

function getLinks pPageSource
   replace "/a>" with "/a>" & return in pPageSource
   replace "<a" with return & "<a" in pPageSource
   filter pPageSource with "*a href*" & quote & "http*/a>"
   set the itemdelimiter to quote
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in pPageSource
      put getPath(gPageURL,item 2 of line a of pPageSource) into line a of pPageSource
   end repeat
   sort pPageSource
   put line 1 of pPageSource into tLinks
   repeat with a = 2 to the number of lines in pPageSource
      if line a of pPageSource <> the last line of tLinks then
         put return & line a of pPageSource after tLinks
      end if
   end repeat   
   return tLinks
end getLinks

function getPath pPageURL,pLinkURL
   if pLinkURL contains "://" then
      return pLinkURL
   end if
   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
   if char 1 of pLinkURL is "/" then
      return item 1 to 3 of pPageURL & pLinkURL
   else
      if char 1 to 3 of pLinkURL is "../" then
         delete the last item of pPageURL
         delete the last item of pPageURL
         return pPageURL & char 3 to 999 of pLinkURL
      else
         delete the last item of pPageURL
         return pPageURL & "/" & pLinkURL
      end if
   end if
   return ""
end getPath

on showMedia pMediaFile
   if there is an image "mediaImage" then delete image "mediaImage"
   set the itemdelimiter to "."
   switch (the last item of pMediaFile)
      case "png"
      case "gif"
      case "jpg"
      case "jpeg"
         new image
         set the name of image the number of images to "mediaImage"
         set the filename of image "mediaImage" to pMediaFile
         break
      case "mp4"
      case "m4v"
      case "mov"
      case "mp3"
         set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
         play video pMediaFile
         break
   end switch
end showMedia




From david at viral.academy  Sat Nov 14 11:11:44 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:11:44 +0000
Subject: LiveCode meet-up at FOSDEM 2016
In-Reply-To: <5646E6CF.6070108@livecode.com>
References: <56463C75.3030107@livecode.com>
	<CAGASioOEyg6ccA7M-pF3P+2GHao6awE+Q0PFFcdu9e2dE4OhDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5646E6CF.6070108@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioP94w0+_OXK_wBOkPV+J4jNL+niPv0koAqExTSjS1z=tw@mail.gmail.com>

I'll ask around - but off the top of my head I'd say Saturday night to give
time to invite participants, but also before people leave Sunday night.

I'd consider getting a stand - they were active last year and also teaming
up with some other projects that have a buzz around them. Are you giving a
talk?

On Saturday, 14 November 2015, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On 14/11/2015 03:00, David Bovill wrote:
>
>> Yes - I went last year. Will also be going to CCC again this year, and
>> would be interested in doing a village involving LiveCode.
>>
>
> Cool -- please keep me up-to-date with your plans for CCC!
>
> When during FOSDEM do you think would be best for a LiveCode meet-up?
> During either Saturday or Sunday?  Or maybe the Friday evening?
>
>                            Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Open Source Team
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Nov 14 11:39:29 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:39:29 -0800
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <564763C1.3060702@fourthworld.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> I can?t understand your licence rules, especially as they have been much
> modified since I BOUGHT 5.5 quite some time ago.

The license that accompanied your software is the only one that governs 
the software you received.

Any changes to the license for later versions only affect the versions 
shipped with that license.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 12:20:53 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:20:53 +0200
Subject: Decimal places
Message-ID: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>

So I have started a "baby calculator" to help 5 year old kids get their 
heads round European coins
and it has an output box where added coins go.

Now, if I add 2 Euros to 50 cents the field displays 2.5

and

I want it to display 2.50.

So would be most grateful if somebody could put me right in this respect.

Probably something very simple.

Richmond.



From tore.nilsen at me.com  Sat Nov 14 12:22:59 2015
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:22:59 +0100
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>

Have you had a look at numberFormat? You can set the numberFormat to display 2 decimals.

Tore

> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.20 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> 
> So I have started a "baby calculator" to help 5 year old kids get their heads round European coins
> and it has an output box where added coins go.
> 
> Now, if I add 2 Euros to 50 cents the field displays 2.5
> 
> and
> 
> I want it to display 2.50.
> 
> So would be most grateful if somebody could put me right in this respect.
> 
> Probably something very simple.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 12:28:08 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:28:08 +0200
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
	<AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
Message-ID: <56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>

On 14/11/15 19:22, Tore Nilsen wrote:
> Have you had a look at numberFormat? You can set the numberFormat to display 2 decimals.
>
> Tore

No, but I have felt stupid many times before :)

Thanks.

Richmond.

>
>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.20 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>
>> So I have started a "baby calculator" to help 5 year old kids get their heads round European coins
>> and it has an output box where added coins go.
>>
>> Now, if I add 2 Euros to 50 cents the field displays 2.5
>>
>> and
>>
>> I want it to display 2.50.
>>
>> So would be most grateful if somebody could put me right in this respect.
>>
>> Probably something very simple.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Sat Nov 14 12:31:11 2015
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:31:11 +0100
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
	<AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
	<56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E431C109-7BE5-4267-9D8E-D47F385CEB69@me.com>


> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.28 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> 
> No, but I have felt stupid many times before :)

That makes two of us.

Tore

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 12:33:27 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:33:27 +0200
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <E431C109-7BE5-4267-9D8E-D47F385CEB69@me.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
	<AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
	<56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>
	<E431C109-7BE5-4267-9D8E-D47F385CEB69@me.com>
Message-ID: <56477067.7040803@gmail.com>

On 14/11/15 19:31, Tore Nilsen wrote:
>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.28 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>
>> No, but I have felt stupid many times before :)
> That makes two of us.
>
> Tore
>
  But  set the numberFormat of fld "fff" to "#.##"

doesn't work . . .

Richmond.



From tore.nilsen at me.com  Sat Nov 14 12:35:55 2015
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:35:55 +0100
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <56477067.7040803@gmail.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
	<AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
	<56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>
	<E431C109-7BE5-4267-9D8E-D47F385CEB69@me.com>
	<56477067.7040803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC6845E8-6771-4604-994D-27379B42D8CA@me.com>

This works for me:

on mouseUp
   set the numberFormat to 0.00
   put 2 + 0.5 into tNumber
   put tNumber into field 1
end mouseUp


Tore


> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.33 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> 
> On 14/11/15 19:31, Tore Nilsen wrote:
>>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.28 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> No, but I have felt stupid many times before :)
>> That makes two of us.
>> 
>> Tore
>> 
> But  set the numberFormat of fld "fff" to "#.##"
> 
> doesn't work . . .
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 12:41:47 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:41:47 +0200
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <FC6845E8-6771-4604-994D-27379B42D8CA@me.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
	<AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
	<56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>
	<E431C109-7BE5-4267-9D8E-D47F385CEB69@me.com>
	<56477067.7040803@gmail.com>
	<FC6845E8-6771-4604-994D-27379B42D8CA@me.com>
Message-ID: <5647725B.50201@gmail.com>

On 14/11/15 19:35, Tore Nilsen wrote:
> This works for me:
>
> on mouseUp
>     set the numberFormat to 0.00
>     put 2 + 0.5 into tNumber
>     put tNumber into field 1
> end mouseUp
>
>
> Tore

Great!

What is your home language, as in mine (Scots) we would write "screivet" 
for "skrev"?

I wid jalouse it mun be Norwegian {Landsmaal? Bokmaal?] as the '-sen' 
til the end o thon
name . . . forbye.

Richmond.

>
>
>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.33 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>
>> On 14/11/15 19:31, Tore Nilsen wrote:
>>>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.28 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> No, but I have felt stupid many times before :)
>>> That makes two of us.
>>>
>>> Tore
>>>
>> But  set the numberFormat of fld "fff" to "#.##"
>>
>> doesn't work . . .
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Sat Nov 14 12:46:51 2015
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:46:51 +0100
Subject: Decimal places
In-Reply-To: <5647725B.50201@gmail.com>
References: <56476D75.1010202@gmail.com>
	<AA92A444-0471-4D2D-9577-DD2E69FF5B1E@me.com>
	<56476F28.3080609@gmail.com>
	<E431C109-7BE5-4267-9D8E-D47F385CEB69@me.com>
	<56477067.7040803@gmail.com>
	<FC6845E8-6771-4604-994D-27379B42D8CA@me.com>
	<5647725B.50201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7BE4098-8BA8-485A-B9AD-43BC57218616@me.com>

My home language is Norwegian, and I write both Bokm?l and Nynorsk (landsmaal) equally well. My dialect is from the western part of Norway, and it is closest to Nynorsk. All Norwegians are taught both versions of written Norwegian, although some find it difficult to write both equally well.

Tore


> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.41 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> 
> On 14/11/15 19:35, Tore Nilsen wrote:
>> This works for me:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>    set the numberFormat to 0.00
>>    put 2 + 0.5 into tNumber
>>    put tNumber into field 1
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> Tore
> 
> Great!
> 
> What is your home language, as in mine (Scots) we would write "screivet" for "skrev"?
> 
> I wid jalouse it mun be Norwegian {Landsmaal? Bokmaal?] as the '-sen' til the end o thon
> name . . . forbye.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.33 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> On 14/11/15 19:31, Tore Nilsen wrote:
>>>>> 14. nov. 2015 kl. 18.28 skrev Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, but I have felt stupid many times before :)
>>>> That makes two of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Tore
>>>> 
>>> But  set the numberFormat of fld "fff" to "#.##"
>>> 
>>> doesn't work . . .
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 16:31:59 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:31:59 -0500
Subject: Big Math
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp4a9sGVpM_hnppyvk=Du=BqnHw9UoPaKYx3tYN8PD58w@mail.gmail.com>

I have not tested these thoroughly enough, but they worked for what I
needed them for, so I'm putting them out there. Bugs/improvements welcome.

To add two arbitrarily large numbers -- must both be positive:

function bAdd x,y
   put 0 into c
   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y)) step 14
      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
      put char -14 to -1 of ("00000000000000" & c) before r
      delete char -14 to -1 of c
   end repeat
   return c & r
end bAdd

To div (not divide) an arbitrarily large number by any LC-capable number
(up to about 14 digits) -- could be that both must be positive:

function bigDiv X,D
   repeat with i = 1 to length(X) div 14 step 14
      put char i to i + 13 of X div D after Q
      put char i to i + 13 of X mod D into char i to i + 13 of X
   end repeat
   return Q
end bigDiv


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Nov 14 18:01:18 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 00:01:18 +0100
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54FA1276-DD91-48FD-8F00-1D876A622B96@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <5647BD3E.8060507@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Francis,

It is really simple. You paid for LiveCode 5.5, which means that the 
license of LiveCode 5.5 applies. You have a valid license for LiveCode 
5.5 and you can use LiveCode 5.5 to distribute software commercially. 
Obviously, this implies you can also give away your software for free to 
family and friends. This doesn't apply to any version of LiveCode for 
which you don't have a valid license.

Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
http://economy-x-talk.com
https://www.facebook.com/marksch

Buy the most extensive book on the
LiveCode language:
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com

Op 11/14/2015 om 12:56 schreef Francis Nugent Dixon:
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>
> I have a ? Terms of Use ? problem with LiveCode.
>
> I bought into Livecode  several years ago, using it every day for my private use.
> I have stopped buying the new versions of LiveCode as they become available,
> because I am happy with 5.5, I can?t afford to upgrade, and I never wished to
> sell my apps !.
> I wrote a personal Family Tree program for free distribution to my family members.
> It can only be used by members of my family.
> I am now confused with the terms of sale of the various LiveCode licences.
> Life is becoming complicated.
>
> 1 - Am I allowed to GIVE, for no financial gain, my 5.5 developed Family Tree program,
> or any silly games I have created, to other members of the family or my friends ?
> 2 - What can I do, and NOT do with my 5.5 liveCode ? What are the 5.5 licence rules ?
> 3 - My Son-in-Law works for a company who use a dictionary of terms used in the
> automobile industry, in four languages, which is impossible to learn. I wrote an application
> to make available the references of all of the terms in a rapid user-friendly display.
> Can I GIVE this application to my Son-in-Law  for his own personal use ?
> 4 - If I want to make available a free version of this application to other members of the
> company where my son-in-law works, under what conditions may I do this ?
> 5 - If I buy a business version of LiveCode and SELL the application to my sons company
> (because they will love it), what happens after the expiration of my licence.
> Can the company still use the application ?
>
> Sorry to bother you with these questions, but even with my high IQ, I can?t understand your
> licence rules, especially as they have been much modified since I BOUGHT 5.5 quite some time ago.
> You may address any answers to my e-mail, but I honestly think that they will interest
> the LiveCode community.
>
> Best Regards
>
> -Francis
>
> ? Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ?
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Nov 14 18:35:48 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 15:35:48 -0800
Subject: XML-RPC
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eONoC4qUSGjxVkqd0m8=vOWnAcCMw4A3ent+ta9Z=0XoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Starting on a project to have an LC client talk to a server using XML-RPC.
I see various functions in the dictionary but are there any
lessons/examples out there?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From irog at mac.com  Sat Nov 14 21:37:13 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:37:13 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <17DEE385-E06A-4B72-AFA0-91F19CC64696@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.8757.1447261176.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<17DEE385-E06A-4B72-AFA0-91F19CC64696@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <868CEDF8-5E56-46DC-B88C-BB6A68CD4E8F@mac.com>

Jim,

I'm just now trying to catch up on this discussion and I see that no one has answered your question. I can?t answer either and wonder what?s going on???

BTW, I believe you should have a negative sign in front of the square bracket . . .  not that that helps at all!

Cheers,

Roger




> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Jim Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Very interesting discussion. 
> 
> However, I was puzzled by the following term in the sum used to calculate the area of a polygon--labeled the centroid method.
> 
> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i)   
> 
> Where does this come from? If one were using the traditional method of calculating the area under a curve (perhaps a polygon) the i'th  term in the sum would be:
> 
> [x(i+1) - x(i)] * [y(i+1) + y(i)] / 2
> 
> That is, the base times the average height. This was the original method employed by many--the non-centroid method
> 
> Multiplying this out you get:
> 
> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i) +      [x(i+1)* y(i+1) - x(i)* y(i)]
> 
> So THE SAME EXPRESSION as in the centroid method EXCEPT for the added term in square brackets. So, WHY THE  DIFFERENCE?
> 
> In calculating this sum all of the intermediate terms in the sum cancel out, leaving just the end terms:  x(n)y(n) - x(1)* y(1)
> But if the figure is closed, they too cancel each other. 
> For example:  (x3 * y3 - x2*y2) + (x4*y4 - x3*y3)... Notice that the x3 * y3 terms cancel.
> 
> Curiously, if one were attempting to calculate the area under a curve (non-polygon) using this method, the principle contribution could come from just these end point terms. As an extreme example, if the curve began at the origin (x(0) = y(0) = 0),. there would be a substantial contribution from the end point x(n) * y(n), where n is the last point. If it were a straight line, ALL the contribution would come from the end point: x(n) y(n) . Divided  by 2 of course.
> 
> Jim
> 
> P.S. the centroid of a closed curve might be liken eo the center of gravity in physics.
> Two closed curves could have the same centroid but very different areas (masses) 
> The center of mass bears no relation to the mass, and the centroid of a closed curved bears no relation to the area.
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Nov 15 01:57:26 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:57:26 -1000
Subject: XML-RPC
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eONoC4qUSGjxVkqd0m8=vOWnAcCMw4A3ent+ta9Z=0XoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eONoC4qUSGjxVkqd0m8=vOWnAcCMw4A3ent+ta9Z=0XoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56482CD6.90204@hindu.org>

FYI: RevIgniter has an XML-RPC library... (hmmm, or maybe it was Andre's 
library)

Anyway... we use that to have a page on our web site "talk" to Word 
Press (get posts)

perhaps this helps... you would need to see that library... I will send 
it to you off line...

We don't (or do we?) have a web space yet for sharing stuff like this 
with the community?)

Of course, XML-RPC is "how" and not "what"

...obviously...

if the server expects a screwdriver,
you can't send him a hammer.

So what you see below is WordPress specific.
Things like "wp.getPosts" are pre-defined -- and can be found in the 
Word Press docs

I wrote the "baby talk" parsers.. Andre wrote the wp Functions



<?rev
put gBASEPATH into gBASEPATH

if gBASEPATH is "gBASEPATH" then
     put "No direct script access allowed."
     exit to top
end if

# LOGGING
rigLogMessage "debug", "Wordpress XML-RPC Library Loaded"

# DECLARE LOCAL VARIABLES

# PROTOTYPE OF THE FOLLOWING HANDLER NAME: rigRunInitialLibrarynameConfig
command rigRunInitialwpConfig
     --Run initial configuration procedures. Don't remove this handler, 
even if it does nothing.'
     rigLoadLibrary "arraytools"
     rigLoadLibrary "xmlrpc"
end rigRunInitialwpConfig

--> Wordpress Suite

function wpGetUsersBlogs pUser, pPassword
     return callXMLRPC("wp.getUsersBlogs", pUser, pPassword)
end wpGetUsersBlogs

function wpGetPosts pBlogID, pUser, pPassword, pFilterA
     return callXMLRPC("wp.getPosts", pBlogID, pUser, pPassword)
end wpGetPosts

# First parse for a galleria post; get 1st pix and 1st caption from the 
var data
# then pick the <p> content at the end if there is any.


function parseForImage pContent
         If pContent contains "var data" then # it is a galleria slideshow
           put     line ( lineOffset ("image:",pContent) ) of pContent 
into tImagePath
           set the itemdel to "/"
           delete item 1 of tImagePath
           replace "'," with "" in tImagePath
           put "/" before tImagePath
           return  tImagePath
           else
                replace "=" with cr in pContent
                replace "alt" with cr in pContent
                replace "<br" with (cr &"<br") in pContent
                replace "<br /" with "" in pContent
                replace ">" with cr in pContent
                replace quote with "" in pContent
                repeat for each line x in pContent
                   if x contains ".jpg"  then
                      put x into tImagePath
                     exit repeat
                   end if
               end repeat
           return  tImagePath
         end if
end parseForImage

function parseForCaption pContent
         If pContent contains "var data" then # dig for the first 
description. It could be empty that's OK.
           # get the line number of the first image closing JSON:
           put  lineOffset ("},",pContent) into tEndOfFirstImage
           # test for "description" in two possible lines
           if (line tEndOfFirstImage of pContent contains 
"description:") or (line (tEndOfFirstImage-1) of pContent contains 
"description:")  then
           put     line ( lineOffset ("description:",pContent) ) of 
pContent into tCaption
           set the itemdel to "'"
           delete item 1 of tCaption
           replace "'," with "" in tCaption
           if char -1 of tCaption ="'" then delete char -1 of tCaption
           replace "\" with "" in tCaption      # undo escaped JSON chars
           return  tCaption
           end if
         end if
         # we don't parse any other type of post for a caption for an  
image... it's too complicated and variable.
end parseForCaption

function parseForStory pContent
  if  ( (pContent contains "var data") OR (pContent contains "iframe" ) 
) then
      # We have a slideshow or a web app in an iFrame. We can't show 
these on the home page
     # dig for any <p> section, otherwise skip it completely
         if pContent contains "<p>" then
             put     (offset ("<p>",pContent) + 3) into tStartText
             put     (offset ("</p>",pContent)-1) into tEndText
             put char tStartText to tEndText of pContent into tStory
             put word 1 to 60 of tStory into tStory
             put "..." after tStory
             return  tStory
         end if
           else
           # assume this is a iPhone Apps WP post and it is plain HTML 
with breaks and tags
              replace "=" with cr in pContent
                replace "alt" with cr in pContent
                replace "<br" with (cr &"<br") in pContent
                replace "<br /" with "" in pContent
                replace ">" with cr in pContent
                   replace quote with "" in pContent
                repeat for each line x in pContent
                     if (x contains ".jpg") then next repeat
                     if (x contains "/") then next repeat
                     if (x contains "class") then next repeat
                     if (x contains "<") then next repeat
                   put x & cr after tText
                end repeat
                repeat for each line y in tText
                   if len(y) > 3 then put y & " " after tStory
                end repeat
                    return tStory
          end if
end parseForStory

function wpGetLastPosts pBlogID, pUser, pPassword
     put wpGetPosts(sWordpressBlogID, 
sWordpressUsername,sWordpressPassword) into tA
     put the keys of 
tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"] into tList
     replace "value[" with empty in tList
     replace "]" with empty in tList
     sort tList numeric ascending
     put 1 into k
     repeat for each line x in tList
         put "value["&x&"]" into tPost
         put 
tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[3]"]["value"]["dateTime.iso8601"] 
into tTemp

           -- AG: Comparing the date with the actual date, do not show 
anything from the future
           -- BR: 2015/1/28 updated to include the time.

         # extract the time
         set the itemdel to "T"
         put item 2 of tTemp into tISOTime

         put char 1 to 4 of tTemp into tYear
         put char 5 to 6 of tTemp into tMonth
         put char 7 to 8 of tTemp into tDate

         # push to a LiveCode format
         put (tYear , tMonth , tDate,0,0,0,0) into tPostDate
         put tPostDate into tPostDateInSeconds
         convert tPostDate to long internet date # save for a readable 
time stamp later

         # get a Livecode time string and swap in the time from Post time
         convert tPostDateInSeconds to internet date
         put tISOTime into word 5 of tPostDateInSeconds


         convert tPostDateInSeconds to seconds
         put the date && the time into tCurrentDateInSeconds
         convert tCurrentDateInSeconds to seconds

         if (tPostDateInSeconds > tCurrentDateInSeconds) then
             next repeat
         end if

         -- post is not from the future, continue processing
         put word 1 to 4 of tPostDate into tRetValA[k]["date"]
         put (tYear & "-" & tMonth & "-" & tDate) into 
tRetValA[k]["timestamp"]

         put 
tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[16]"]["value"]["string"] 
into tRetValA[k]["link"]
         put 
tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[2]"]["value"]["string"] 
into tRetValA[k]["title"]
         put 
tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[13]"]["value"]["string"] 
into pContent
         --put parseContent(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["content"]
         put parseForImage(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["image"]
         put parseForCaption(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["caption"]
         put parseForStory(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["story"]
         --put "<br /><br />" & tTemp after tRetValA[k]["story"]
         add 1 to k
     end repeat
     --logArrayData tRetValA
     return tRetValA
end wpGetLastPosts




-- 
Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



Peter Haworth wrote:
> Starting on a project to have an LC client talk to a server using XML-RPC.
> I see various functions in the dictionary but are there any
> lessons/examples out there?
>
> Pete
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From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 15 03:32:44 2015
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 00:32:44 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9124.1447570658.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.9124.1447570658.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A7312B31-59DD-46E7-8D0C-65B754D52376@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Roger,

Actually, the answer to that question I raised follows in the next paragraph. All those terms cancel in pairs.

As someone pointed out, that paragraph is a proof of the validity of the method for calculating the area of a polygon.

You?re probably right about the minus sign.

Jim

> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:37:13 -0800
> From: Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Area of Irregular Polygon
> Message-ID: <868CEDF8-5E56-46DC-B88C-BB6A68CD4E8F at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I'm just now trying to catch up on this discussion and I see that no one has answered your question. I can?t answer either and wonder what?s going on???
> 
> BTW, I believe you should have a negative sign in front of the square bracket . . .  not that that helps at all!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Jim Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Very interesting discussion. 
>> 
>> However, I was puzzled by the following term in the sum used to calculate the area of a polygon--labeled the centroid method.
>> 
>> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i)   
>> 
>> Where does this come from? If one were using the traditional method of calculating the area under a curve (perhaps a polygon) the i'th  term in the sum would be:
>> 
>> [x(i+1) - x(i)] * [y(i+1) + y(i)] / 2
>> 
>> That is, the base times the average height. This was the original method employed by many--the non-centroid method
>> 
>> Multiplying this out you get:
>> 
>> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i) +      [x(i+1)* y(i+1) - x(i)* y(i)]
>> 
>> So THE SAME EXPRESSION as in the centroid method EXCEPT for the added term in square brackets. So, WHY THE  DIFFERENCE?
>> 
>> In calculating this sum all of the intermediate terms in the sum cancel out, leaving just the end terms:  x(n)y(n) - x(1)* y(1)
>> But if the figure is closed, they too cancel each other. 
>> For example:  (x3 * y3 - x2*y2) + (x4*y4 - x3*y3)... Notice that the x3 * y3 terms cancel.
>> 
>> Curiously, if one were attempting to calculate the area under a curve (non-polygon) using this method, the principle contribution could come from just these end point terms. As an extreme example, if the curve began at the origin (x(0) = y(0) = 0),. there would be a substantial contribution from the end point x(n) * y(n), where n is the last point. If it were a straight line, ALL the contribution would come from the end point: x(n) y(n) . Divided  by 2 of course.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> P.S. the centroid of a closed curve might be liken eo the center of gravity in physics.
>> Two closed curves could have the same centroid but very different areas (masses) 
>> The center of mass bears no relation to the mass, and the centroid of a closed curved bears no relation to the area.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 






From hh at livecode.org  Sun Nov 15 03:49:03 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:49:03 +0100
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
Message-ID: <DD5712A4-F22E-46AF-95E2-4DAE3894ECDA@livecode.org>

> Roger G. wrote:
> Jim, I'm just now trying to catch up on this discussion and I see that no one has answered your question. I can?t answer either and wonder what?s going on???
> BTW, I believe you should have a negative sign in front of the square bracket . . . not that that helps at all!.

Oh yes, I answered to Jim H. (sorry Jim, I wrote "James").
And Bernd too, with a "taking-snapshot"-method.

And I also made a (non-math) "Sunday game" after that, see #57 here
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=19248&start=45#p134397

Sometimes I wonder about the mechanism of the 'list machine'.
For example this thread is ordered, when choosing "messages sorted by thread" not co-sorted by time (within the same 'thread' depth).

Hermann

p.s. The minus sign is there or not according to the 'orientation' when numbering the vertices of the polygon, counterclockwise or clockwise.





From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Nov 15 07:12:48 2015
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:12:48 +0100
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
Message-ID: <564876C0.7020707@hrz.uni-kassel.de>


  Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com
  <mailto:use-livecode%40lists.runrev.com?Subject=Re%3A%20Livecode%20Licence%20Rules%20for%20dummies%20....&In-Reply-To=%3C564763C1.3060702%40fourthworld.com%3E>


  wrote on Sat Nov 14, 2015:

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> >/I can?t understand your licence rules, especially as they have been much />/modified since I BOUGHT 5.5 quite some time ago. /
> The license that accompanied your software is the only one that governs
> the software you received.
>
> Any changes to the license for later versions only affect the versions
> shipped with that license.
>
> -- 
>    Richard Gaskin
>    Fourth World Systems
>    Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>    ____________________________________________________________________
>    Ambassador at FourthWorld.com 
> <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>                 http://www.FourthWorld.com
There are complexer cases that are not fully covered by Richard's 
definition.
Due to my kickstarter contribution I have got a commercial licence that 
is valid up to August 2016. Legally that would mean IMHO that I am 
entitled to develop and distribute software under the conditions of this 
license, particularly

- to use any commercial-like Livecode version released until August 2016 
*forever* and without any restrictions to the possible revenue from 
sales and not subject to the new subscription scheme, in case I use the 
latest available Livecode version of August 2016.

Regrettably the license rules have changed now and the changes - in my 
limited perspective - were not fully transparent to me.  I would think 
that of the two present "near-commercial" licenses only the "business" 
version would be fully equivalent to the conditions of my own present 
licence valid up to August 2016.

Unfortunately I have been lured to subscribe to the Indy-license thereby 
extending my present license from August 2016 to August 2018.

Kevin Miller (on July 2 and repeatedly later on) had invited me in a 
personal post:

> What Can You Do With Indie?
> Launch a startup
> Win competitions
> Build an app that can change the world
> Teach kids to code
> Teach university students and beginners to code
> Develop interactive educational apps
> Launch ebooks
> Launch apps
> ...The List Goes On!
>
> What Will You Do With Indie?
>
> You tell us! We can't wait to see your name on the LiveCode Stories page.
>
> Here's what's up:
>
> The price of an Indie License is going up and we don't want it to 
> affect you. $499 will get you an Indie License for 2 years and it will 
> keep you at the low price of $299/year forever after that. Whatever 
> you do with Indie, make sure you get it at the right price. You can 
> lock that price in now:
>
> http://livecode.com/lock-in-your-price
There was no mention that you had to continue a "subscription" after the 
added two years to be able to produce and sell Livecode-built software 
and that with "Indy" there would be a revenue limit. I discovered that 
only later when looking up my personal Livecode account.

The URL <livecode.com/lock-in-your-price> led to the Cleverbridge 
website <https://www.cleverbridge.com> where an additional VAT sum was 
added to the price of  $499, which was not mentioned by Kevin and which 
I overlooked initially when accepting Kevin's proposal.

I am also informed on my personal Livecode account that a fixed VAT sum 
(stipulated on the basis of the dollar-euro exchange rate of July 2015) 
will be charged each year if I prolong the subscription after 2018.-

These changes could have been handled in a more transparent way by Livecode.

I am considering to revoke my added subscription of Livecode for August 
2016 - August 2018 in case an acceptable solution how to use my present 
commercial license with its conditions - valid up to August 2016 - 
cannot be found. I hope that until August 2016 Livecode will come up 
with a usable and stable version that allows me to work in my special 
fields of interest, a version without regressions and bugs that I then 
can  use *forever* under the terms of my present commercial license.

Kind regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
Emeritus Professor, University of Kassel, Germany











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From irog at mac.com  Sun Nov 15 11:25:24 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 08:25:24 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <A7312B31-59DD-46E7-8D0C-65B754D52376@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.9124.1447570658.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<A7312B31-59DD-46E7-8D0C-65B754D52376@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <39943FE7-82E7-45BF-94AF-548F0CE0419C@mac.com>

Ah, now I get it!!



> On Nov 15, 2015, at 12:32 AM, Jim Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roger,
> 
> Actually, the answer to that question I raised follows in the next paragraph. All those terms cancel in pairs.
> 
> As someone pointed out, that paragraph is a proof of the validity of the method for calculating the area of a polygon.
> 
> You?re probably right about the minus sign.
> 
> Jim
> 
>> 
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:37:13 -0800
>> From: Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: Area of Irregular Polygon
>> Message-ID: <868CEDF8-5E56-46DC-B88C-BB6A68CD4E8F at mac.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> I'm just now trying to catch up on this discussion and I see that no one has answered your question. I can?t answer either and wonder what?s going on???
>> 
>> BTW, I believe you should have a negative sign in front of the square bracket . . .  not that that helps at all!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Jim Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very interesting discussion. 
>>> 
>>> However, I was puzzled by the following term in the sum used to calculate the area of a polygon--labeled the centroid method.
>>> 
>>> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i)   
>>> 
>>> Where does this come from? If one were using the traditional method of calculating the area under a curve (perhaps a polygon) the i'th  term in the sum would be:
>>> 
>>> [x(i+1) - x(i)] * [y(i+1) + y(i)] / 2
>>> 
>>> That is, the base times the average height. This was the original method employed by many--the non-centroid method
>>> 
>>> Multiplying this out you get:
>>> 
>>> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i) +      [x(i+1)* y(i+1) - x(i)* y(i)]
>>> 
>>> So THE SAME EXPRESSION as in the centroid method EXCEPT for the added term in square brackets. So, WHY THE  DIFFERENCE?
>>> 
>>> In calculating this sum all of the intermediate terms in the sum cancel out, leaving just the end terms:  x(n)y(n) - x(1)* y(1)
>>> But if the figure is closed, they too cancel each other. 
>>> For example:  (x3 * y3 - x2*y2) + (x4*y4 - x3*y3)... Notice that the x3 * y3 terms cancel.
>>> 
>>> Curiously, if one were attempting to calculate the area under a curve (non-polygon) using this method, the principle contribution could come from just these end point terms. As an extreme example, if the curve began at the origin (x(0) = y(0) = 0),. there would be a substantial contribution from the end point x(n) * y(n), where n is the last point. If it were a straight line, ALL the contribution would come from the end point: x(n) y(n) . Divided  by 2 of course.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> P.S. the centroid of a closed curve might be liken eo the center of gravity in physics.
>>> Two closed curves could have the same centroid but very different areas (masses) 
>>> The center of mass bears no relation to the mass, and the centroid of a closed curved bears no relation to the area.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Nov 15 11:27:27 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 08:27:27 -0800
Subject: Area of Irregular Polygon
In-Reply-To: <DD5712A4-F22E-46AF-95E2-4DAE3894ECDA@livecode.org>
References: <DD5712A4-F22E-46AF-95E2-4DAE3894ECDA@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <B98807B6-EBDB-459A-9646-930D3B29E5D9@mac.com>

Thank you, Hermann. Your game is very clever!!


> On Nov 15, 2015, at 12:49 AM, [-hh] <hh at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
>> Roger G. wrote:
>> Jim, I'm just now trying to catch up on this discussion and I see that no one has answered your question. I can?t answer either and wonder what?s going on???
>> BTW, I believe you should have a negative sign in front of the square bracket . . . not that that helps at all!.
> 
> Oh yes, I answered to Jim H. (sorry Jim, I wrote "James").
> And Bernd too, with a "taking-snapshot"-method.
> 
> And I also made a (non-math) "Sunday game" after that, see #57 here
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=19248&start=45#p134397
> 
> Sometimes I wonder about the mechanism of the 'list machine'.
> For example this thread is ordered, when choosing "messages sorted by thread" not co-sorted by time (within the same 'thread' depth).
> 
> Hermann
> 
> p.s. The minus sign is there or not according to the 'orientation' when numbering the vertices of the polygon, counterclockwise or clockwise.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Nov 15 12:48:29 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:48:29 -0800
Subject: XML-RPC
In-Reply-To: <56482CD6.90204@hindu.org>
References: <CAGDT7eONoC4qUSGjxVkqd0m8=vOWnAcCMw4A3ent+ta9Z=0XoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56482CD6.90204@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNzsZww6p2YaprUFWw5dmtYVGDW-7h_zjaVLywJ7dMS6g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bramanathaswami.  This looks like the server side of things and I'm
looking for examples of using the revXMLRPC@ calls from a Livecode desktop
app.  I'm communication with a third party server and have all the docs for
the methods it accepts and their parameters.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:

> FYI: RevIgniter has an XML-RPC library... (hmmm, or maybe it was Andre's
> library)
>
> Anyway... we use that to have a page on our web site "talk" to Word Press
> (get posts)
>
> perhaps this helps... you would need to see that library... I will send it
> to you off line...
>
> We don't (or do we?) have a web space yet for sharing stuff like this with
> the community?)
>
> Of course, XML-RPC is "how" and not "what"
>
> ...obviously...
>
> if the server expects a screwdriver,
> you can't send him a hammer.
>
> So what you see below is WordPress specific.
> Things like "wp.getPosts" are pre-defined -- and can be found in the Word
> Press docs
>
> I wrote the "baby talk" parsers.. Andre wrote the wp Functions
>
>
>
> <?rev
> put gBASEPATH into gBASEPATH
>
> if gBASEPATH is "gBASEPATH" then
>     put "No direct script access allowed."
>     exit to top
> end if
>
> # LOGGING
> rigLogMessage "debug", "Wordpress XML-RPC Library Loaded"
>
> # DECLARE LOCAL VARIABLES
>
> # PROTOTYPE OF THE FOLLOWING HANDLER NAME: rigRunInitialLibrarynameConfig
> command rigRunInitialwpConfig
>     --Run initial configuration procedures. Don't remove this handler,
> even if it does nothing.'
>     rigLoadLibrary "arraytools"
>     rigLoadLibrary "xmlrpc"
> end rigRunInitialwpConfig
>
> --> Wordpress Suite
>
> function wpGetUsersBlogs pUser, pPassword
>     return callXMLRPC("wp.getUsersBlogs", pUser, pPassword)
> end wpGetUsersBlogs
>
> function wpGetPosts pBlogID, pUser, pPassword, pFilterA
>     return callXMLRPC("wp.getPosts", pBlogID, pUser, pPassword)
> end wpGetPosts
>
> # First parse for a galleria post; get 1st pix and 1st caption from the
> var data
> # then pick the <p> content at the end if there is any.
>
>
> function parseForImage pContent
>         If pContent contains "var data" then # it is a galleria slideshow
>           put     line ( lineOffset ("image:",pContent) ) of pContent into
> tImagePath
>           set the itemdel to "/"
>           delete item 1 of tImagePath
>           replace "'," with "" in tImagePath
>           put "/" before tImagePath
>           return  tImagePath
>           else
>                replace "=" with cr in pContent
>                replace "alt" with cr in pContent
>                replace "<br" with (cr &"<br") in pContent
>                replace "<br /" with "" in pContent
>                replace ">" with cr in pContent
>                replace quote with "" in pContent
>                repeat for each line x in pContent
>                   if x contains ".jpg"  then
>                      put x into tImagePath
>                     exit repeat
>                   end if
>               end repeat
>           return  tImagePath
>         end if
> end parseForImage
>
> function parseForCaption pContent
>         If pContent contains "var data" then # dig for the first
> description. It could be empty that's OK.
>           # get the line number of the first image closing JSON:
>           put  lineOffset ("},",pContent) into tEndOfFirstImage
>           # test for "description" in two possible lines
>           if (line tEndOfFirstImage of pContent contains "description:")
> or (line (tEndOfFirstImage-1) of pContent contains "description:")  then
>           put     line ( lineOffset ("description:",pContent) ) of
> pContent into tCaption
>           set the itemdel to "'"
>           delete item 1 of tCaption
>           replace "'," with "" in tCaption
>           if char -1 of tCaption ="'" then delete char -1 of tCaption
>           replace "\" with "" in tCaption      # undo escaped JSON chars
>           return  tCaption
>           end if
>         end if
>         # we don't parse any other type of post for a caption for an
> image... it's too complicated and variable.
> end parseForCaption
>
> function parseForStory pContent
>  if  ( (pContent contains "var data") OR (pContent contains "iframe" ) )
> then
>      # We have a slideshow or a web app in an iFrame. We can't show these
> on the home page
>     # dig for any <p> section, otherwise skip it completely
>         if pContent contains "<p>" then
>             put     (offset ("<p>",pContent) + 3) into tStartText
>             put     (offset ("</p>",pContent)-1) into tEndText
>             put char tStartText to tEndText of pContent into tStory
>             put word 1 to 60 of tStory into tStory
>             put "..." after tStory
>             return  tStory
>         end if
>           else
>           # assume this is a iPhone Apps WP post and it is plain HTML with
> breaks and tags
>              replace "=" with cr in pContent
>                replace "alt" with cr in pContent
>                replace "<br" with (cr &"<br") in pContent
>                replace "<br /" with "" in pContent
>                replace ">" with cr in pContent
>                   replace quote with "" in pContent
>                repeat for each line x in pContent
>                     if (x contains ".jpg") then next repeat
>                     if (x contains "/") then next repeat
>                     if (x contains "class") then next repeat
>                     if (x contains "<") then next repeat
>                   put x & cr after tText
>                end repeat
>                repeat for each line y in tText
>                   if len(y) > 3 then put y & " " after tStory
>                end repeat
>                    return tStory
>          end if
> end parseForStory
>
> function wpGetLastPosts pBlogID, pUser, pPassword
>     put wpGetPosts(sWordpressBlogID,
> sWordpressUsername,sWordpressPassword) into tA
>     put the keys of
> tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"] into tList
>     replace "value[" with empty in tList
>     replace "]" with empty in tList
>     sort tList numeric ascending
>     put 1 into k
>     repeat for each line x in tList
>         put "value["&x&"]" into tPost
>         put
> tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[3]"]["value"]["dateTime.iso8601"]
> into tTemp
>
>           -- AG: Comparing the date with the actual date, do not show
> anything from the future
>           -- BR: 2015/1/28 updated to include the time.
>
>         # extract the time
>         set the itemdel to "T"
>         put item 2 of tTemp into tISOTime
>
>         put char 1 to 4 of tTemp into tYear
>         put char 5 to 6 of tTemp into tMonth
>         put char 7 to 8 of tTemp into tDate
>
>         # push to a LiveCode format
>         put (tYear , tMonth , tDate,0,0,0,0) into tPostDate
>         put tPostDate into tPostDateInSeconds
>         convert tPostDate to long internet date # save for a readable time
> stamp later
>
>         # get a Livecode time string and swap in the time from Post time
>         convert tPostDateInSeconds to internet date
>         put tISOTime into word 5 of tPostDateInSeconds
>
>
>         convert tPostDateInSeconds to seconds
>         put the date && the time into tCurrentDateInSeconds
>         convert tCurrentDateInSeconds to seconds
>
>         if (tPostDateInSeconds > tCurrentDateInSeconds) then
>             next repeat
>         end if
>
>         -- post is not from the future, continue processing
>         put word 1 to 4 of tPostDate into tRetValA[k]["date"]
>         put (tYear & "-" & tMonth & "-" & tDate) into
> tRetValA[k]["timestamp"]
>
>         put
> tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[16]"]["value"]["string"]
> into tRetValA[k]["link"]
>         put
> tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[2]"]["value"]["string"]
> into tRetValA[k]["title"]
>         put
> tA["methodResponse"]["params"]["param"]["value"]["array"]["data"][tPost]["struct"]["member[13]"]["value"]["string"]
> into pContent
>         --put parseContent(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["content"]
>         put parseForImage(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["image"]
>         put parseForCaption(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["caption"]
>         put parseForStory(pContent) into tRetValA[k]["story"]
>         --put "<br /><br />" & tTemp after tRetValA[k]["story"]
>         add 1 to k
>     end repeat
>     --logArrayData tRetValA
>     return tRetValA
> end wpGetLastPosts
>
>
>
>
> --
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
>
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
>
>
>
> Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Starting on a project to have an LC client talk to a server using XML-RPC.
>> I see various functions in the dictionary but are there any
>> lessons/examples out there?
>>
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser<http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html>  and
>> SQLiteAdmin<http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Nov 15 13:30:19 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:30:19 -0800
Subject: LC8 dp9 Difficulty
Message-ID: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>

I?m just getting used to the new object inspector in LC8 DP9. I?m trying to set a custom property. In older versions, there was a diamond shaped button to press, a dialog came up to name the custom property, then you put in a name. A value was set in the field below the list of propertynames.

In V8DP9, the custom properties are accessed in the object inspector, by clicking on an icon along the top. That?s fine. But, I can?t get it to either display or accept a custom property that I enter. The dropdown menu only has ?customProperties? listed. If I click the little diamond symbol, I get the dialog, but it is asking for a ?custom property set?. I only want to enter a single custom property. Then, it never displays the property that I put in.

This seems like a bug to me, or at least a very user unfriendly interface.

What am I doing wrong?

Bill

William Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
prothero at earthednet.org






From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Nov 15 13:47:34 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:47:34 -0800
Subject: LC8 dp9 Difficulty
In-Reply-To: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>
References: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <907AD036-CC42-4B3B-805E-005504C26086@earthednet.org>

More info. When I mess around with the object inspector, I can get it to start showing some of the keys I put in. But, to duplicate my situation, I first create a new stack, then drag the ?Label? field onto the stack, then try to set a custom property. It doesn?t work.
Bill

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:30 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> I?m just getting used to the new object inspector in LC8 DP9. I?m trying to set a custom property. In older versions, there was a diamond shaped button to press, a dialog came up to name the custom property, then you put in a name. A value was set in the field below the list of propertynames.
> 
> In V8DP9, the custom properties are accessed in the object inspector, by clicking on an icon along the top. That?s fine. But, I can?t get it to either display or accept a custom property that I enter. The dropdown menu only has ?customProperties? listed. If I click the little diamond symbol, I get the dialog, but it is asking for a ?custom property set?. I only want to enter a single custom property. Then, it never displays the property that I put in.
> 
> This seems like a bug to me, or at least a very user unfriendly interface.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> prothero at earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
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From paul at livecode.org  Sun Nov 15 14:41:06 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:41:06 -0800
Subject: LC8 dp9 Difficulty
In-Reply-To: <907AD036-CC42-4B3B-805E-005504C26086@earthednet.org>
References: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>
	<907AD036-CC42-4B3B-805E-005504C26086@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <C74560A0-23A7-48F9-AF7B-BF93209D14B1@livecode.org>

Same problem here, can?t even set the custom props by message box or script, this is on Mac OS X 10.11.1.

DP9 does seem to be quite buggy, lots of problems with the script editor, the re-introduced geometry manager, the tools palette, the effects palette, the list is getting longer each time I try something else. It seems to me that relying on auto-testing isn?t revealing all the issues, because I?m sure if anyone at LiveCode Ltd. tried these basic things manually they wouldn?t have released this version so soon.

I would submit bug reports, but right now I have way too much going on and not enough time to file so many reports, If I get some free time later I?ll see what I can do, I don?t like complaining to the list and not doing something positive to help LC Ltd. to address the problems.

LC8 does seem to be on a downhill trend as far as bugs are concerned, I really hope that changes soon, I?ve had to go back to LC7 to continue my projects with any form of reliability, but, on the positive side, I do like the way LC8 is developing with new features/widgets etc..

Paul

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:47 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> More info. When I mess around with the object inspector, I can get it to start showing some of the keys I put in. But, to duplicate my situation, I first create a new stack, then drag the ?Label? field onto the stack, then try to set a custom property. It doesn?t work.
> Bill
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:30 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m just getting used to the new object inspector in LC8 DP9. I?m trying to set a custom property. In older versions, there was a diamond shaped button to press, a dialog came up to name the custom property, then you put in a name. A value was set in the field below the list of propertynames.
>> 
>> In V8DP9, the custom properties are accessed in the object inspector, by clicking on an icon along the top. That?s fine. But, I can?t get it to either display or accept a custom property that I enter. The dropdown menu only has ?customProperties? listed. If I click the little diamond symbol, I get the dialog, but it is asking for a ?custom property set?. I only want to enter a single custom property. Then, it never displays the property that I put in.
>> 
>> This seems like a bug to me, or at least a very user unfriendly interface.
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>> prothero at earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From monte at appisle.net  Sun Nov 15 15:05:46 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:05:46 +1100
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
In-Reply-To: <564876C0.7020707@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <564876C0.7020707@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <F5781149-6EC3-42C7-A7EF-3EA7415E1723@appisle.net>


> On 15 Nov 2015, at 11:12 pm, sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote:
> The URL <livecode.com/lock-in-your-price <http://livecode.com/lock-in-your-price>> led to the Cleverbridge website <https://www.cleverbridge.com <https://www.cleverbridge.com/>> where an additional VAT sum was added to the price of  $499, which was not mentioned by Kevin and which I overlooked initially when accepting Kevin's proposal.
> 
> I am also informed on my personal Livecode account that a fixed VAT sum (stipulated on the basis of the dollar-euro exchange rate of July 2015) will be charged each year if I prolong the subscription after 2018.-

We would all rather pay no tax. I?m unsure how the VAT works but with Australia?s GST you can claim the full amount back on business expenses. How exactly did you expect Kevin to know what tax rules apply to you until you had entered your details at the point of sale?

Cheers

Monte



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 15:37:56 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 22:37:56 +0200
Subject: Rip off and recreate
Message-ID: <5648ED24.2060400@gmail.com>

LiveCode is ideal for this sort of thing:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=25881

How much one is breaking any sorts of laws or moral norms
is a different question.

Certainly I have no intention of making any profit out of this.

Richmond.



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Nov 15 16:22:03 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:22:03 -0800
Subject: LC8 dp9 Difficulty
In-Reply-To: <C74560A0-23A7-48F9-AF7B-BF93209D14B1@livecode.org>
References: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>
	<907AD036-CC42-4B3B-805E-005504C26086@earthednet.org>
	<C74560A0-23A7-48F9-AF7B-BF93209D14B1@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <A161E35B-00B3-481F-BB73-44FFD07B98B4@earthednet.org>

Paul:
Yeah. I have started to spend a bit more time with it. But, it still isn?t ready for me to use, and I?m a pretty basic user who just discovered how much custom properties can help me.

But then, I know the platform has so many features that it is hard to get all of them, and it?s up to us to help with the testing. I?ll report a bug on this one. 

Best,
Bill

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> Same problem here, can?t even set the custom props by message box or script, this is on Mac OS X 10.11.1.
> 
> DP9 does seem to be quite buggy, lots of problems with the script editor, the re-introduced geometry manager, the tools palette, the effects palette, the list is getting longer each time I try something else. It seems to me that relying on auto-testing isn?t revealing all the issues, because I?m sure if anyone at LiveCode Ltd. tried these basic things manually they wouldn?t have released this version so soon.
> 
> I would submit bug reports, but right now I have way too much going on and not enough time to file so many reports, If I get some free time later I?ll see what I can do, I don?t like complaining to the list and not doing something positive to help LC Ltd. to address the problems.
> 
> LC8 does seem to be on a downhill trend as far as bugs are concerned, I really hope that changes soon, I?ve had to go back to LC7 to continue my projects with any form of reliability, but, on the positive side, I do like the way LC8 is developing with new features/widgets etc..
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:47 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> More info. When I mess around with the object inspector, I can get it to start showing some of the keys I put in. But, to duplicate my situation, I first create a new stack, then drag the ?Label? field onto the stack, then try to set a custom property. It doesn?t work.
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:30 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?m just getting used to the new object inspector in LC8 DP9. I?m trying to set a custom property. In older versions, there was a diamond shaped button to press, a dialog came up to name the custom property, then you put in a name. A value was set in the field below the list of propertynames.
>>> 
>>> In V8DP9, the custom properties are accessed in the object inspector, by clicking on an icon along the top. That?s fine. But, I can?t get it to either display or accept a custom property that I enter. The dropdown menu only has ?customProperties? listed. If I click the little diamond symbol, I get the dialog, but it is asking for a ?custom property set?. I only want to enter a single custom property. Then, it never displays the property that I put in.
>>> 
>>> This seems like a bug to me, or at least a very user unfriendly interface.
>>> 
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>>> prothero at earthednet.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From blueback09 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 16:22:54 2015
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:22:54 -0800
Subject: Rip off and recreate
In-Reply-To: <5648ED24.2060400@gmail.com>
References: <5648ED24.2060400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82DpujdERoF_=wkqSB3We96wc5b_OxtdiocG_8+QrtJV=aA@mail.gmail.com>

How things work isn't protected by copyright. So if you create it from
scratch, but don't use the same text/images, you've got your own copyright
protection. Then, as long as you don't use anything trademarked or
recognizable (like Mickey Mouse) you won't be infringing anything. And if
it's non -commercial it's hard to justify damages. Worst case someone says
to stop distributing it, so you could take it down, but keep using it
privately. And all that is only if anyone notices it in the first place.
On Nov 15, 2015 12:38, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> LiveCode is ideal for this sort of thing:
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=25881
>
> How much one is breaking any sorts of laws or moral norms
> is a different question.
>
> Certainly I have no intention of making any profit out of this.
>
> Richmond.
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Nov 15 16:35:49 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:35:49 -0800
Subject: LC8 dp9 Difficulty
In-Reply-To: <A161E35B-00B3-481F-BB73-44FFD07B98B4@earthednet.org>
References: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>
	<907AD036-CC42-4B3B-805E-005504C26086@earthednet.org>
	<C74560A0-23A7-48F9-AF7B-BF93209D14B1@livecode.org>
	<A161E35B-00B3-481F-BB73-44FFD07B98B4@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <B3C54A11-3B72-46BE-961D-7166F0679A28@earthednet.org>

Reported bug: 145269

Seems like some of this would be found by just testing each action individually, by the developers.
Bill

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 1:22 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Paul:
> Yeah. I have started to spend a bit more time with it. But, it still isn?t ready for me to use, and I?m a pretty basic user who just discovered how much custom properties can help me.
> 
> But then, I know the platform has so many features that it is hard to get all of them, and it?s up to us to help with the testing. I?ll report a bug on this one. 
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Same problem here, can?t even set the custom props by message box or script, this is on Mac OS X 10.11.1.
>> 
>> DP9 does seem to be quite buggy, lots of problems with the script editor, the re-introduced geometry manager, the tools palette, the effects palette, the list is getting longer each time I try something else. It seems to me that relying on auto-testing isn?t revealing all the issues, because I?m sure if anyone at LiveCode Ltd. tried these basic things manually they wouldn?t have released this version so soon.
>> 
>> I would submit bug reports, but right now I have way too much going on and not enough time to file so many reports, If I get some free time later I?ll see what I can do, I don?t like complaining to the list and not doing something positive to help LC Ltd. to address the problems.
>> 
>> LC8 does seem to be on a downhill trend as far as bugs are concerned, I really hope that changes soon, I?ve had to go back to LC7 to continue my projects with any form of reliability, but, on the positive side, I do like the way LC8 is developing with new features/widgets etc..
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:47 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> More info. When I mess around with the object inspector, I can get it to start showing some of the keys I put in. But, to duplicate my situation, I first create a new stack, then drag the ?Label? field onto the stack, then try to set a custom property. It doesn?t work.
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:30 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I?m just getting used to the new object inspector in LC8 DP9. I?m trying to set a custom property. In older versions, there was a diamond shaped button to press, a dialog came up to name the custom property, then you put in a name. A value was set in the field below the list of propertynames.
>>>> 
>>>> In V8DP9, the custom properties are accessed in the object inspector, by clicking on an icon along the top. That?s fine. But, I can?t get it to either display or accept a custom property that I enter. The dropdown menu only has ?customProperties? listed. If I click the little diamond symbol, I get the dialog, but it is asking for a ?custom property set?. I only want to enter a single custom property. Then, it never displays the property that I put in.
>>>> 
>>>> This seems like a bug to me, or at least a very user unfriendly interface.
>>>> 
>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
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>>>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>>>> prothero at earthednet.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Nov 15 16:47:52 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:47:52 +0000
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoh+ZvawaOi7piqfABb0HCcB7SGwgBgym1xqULGk-=W_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<77AC26A0-3B8D-49B7-BA2D-77689A980A53@jhj.com>
	<CAKCLKtoh+ZvawaOi7piqfABb0HCcB7SGwgBgym1xqULGk-=W_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5648FD88.4000500@tweedly.net>

Geoff,

thanks for such a fun little problem.

I know you have a complete solution - but I still wanted to investigate 
if it could be done any faster.

The main constraint to take advantage of is that, although the sum of 
the primes needs to be an arbitrarily large number and use 'bigmath', 
the individual primes must fit within a normal LC number.

Therefore, we can use a running sub-total, and only when that approaches 
the upper limit of a normal integer add that to the overall total (with 
bigMath).

So something like  (changed lines marked with "|")

    repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
       read from file fPath for 1 line
       if it > fld 1 then exit repeat
|      add char 1 to -2 of it to subtotal
|      if subtotal > 999999999999 then   -- that's 12 of them :=-)
|         put bAdd2(T,subtotal) into T
|         put 0 into subtotal
|      end if
       if the seconds > S then
          put the seconds + 1 into S
          put T && it && C into fld 2
          unlock screen
          lock screen
       end if
    end repeat
|   put bAdd2(T,subtotal) into T
    put T && it && C - 1 into fld 2


I didn't have a list of primes on hand, so I used a synthetic little 
benchmark using random large numbers, and got a speed-up of between 50x 
and 100x. I suspect the benfit in the real case would be towards the 
lower end of that range, if my guess about magnitude of the primes is 
correct.


We could also replace 'bAdd' with 'bAddSmall' which takes one 
arbitrarily large number and one normal LC number and adds them; I would 
guess this would give at most 5-10% improvement, so I haven't bothered 
actually trying it :-)

-- Alex.

On 12/11/2015 06:26, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> I re-wrote the algorithm a bit to tweak for speed, then ran it successfully
> for primes up to 3 billion (a couple hours), and got the wrong answer
> because my big addition function was broken :-/
>
> So I broke the problem in two: first generate the list of primes, then do
> the addition.
>
> For the primes I generated the list up to 100,000, stored that, and then
> used a simpler (by one command) routine to generate the primes to 10
> billion in a few hours. Here's that:
>
> on mouseUp
>     put the long seconds into ST
>     repeat for each line i in line 2 to -1 of the primeList of this stack
>        put 2*i & comma after P[i^2]
>     end repeat
>     put 2 into pList
>     put fld "path" into fPath
>     open file fPath for write
>     put 0 into S
>     put fld 1 into endPoint
>     if endPoint mod 2 = 0 then subtract 1 from endPoint
>     repeat with i = 3 to endPoint step 2
>        if P[i] is empty then
>           put cr & i after pList
>        else
>           repeat for each item x in P[i]
>              put x & comma after P[i + x]
>           end repeat
>        end if
>        if the seconds > S then
>           put the seconds + 5 into S
>           put i into fld 2
>           write pList to file fPath
>           put empty into pList
>           unlock screen
>           lock screen
>        end if
>        delete variable P[i]
>     end repeat
>     put i into fld 2
>     write pList to file fPath
>     close file fPath
>     put the long seconds - ST
> end mouseUp
>
> That's ~5gb of primes...
>
> Then I re-wrote the addition function to use a simpler, slower method,
> tested it, and let it go. An hour or so later, and I had my answer
> (validated against the site with the challenge). If anyone sees the problem
> with bAdd, I'm all ears. I didn't look too closely, since I just wanted to
> get the code running to solve the problem. It works for all the test cases
> I tried, but it seems to fail on the boundary between 14 and 15 digit
> numbers.
>
>
> on mouseUp
>     put fld "path" into fPath
>     open file fPath for read
>     put 0 into T
>     put 0 into S
>     repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
>        read from file fPath for 1 line
>        if it > fld 1 then exit repeat
>        put bAdd2(T,char 1 to -2 of it) into T
>        if the seconds > S then
>           put the seconds + 1 into S
>           put T && it && C into fld 2
>           unlock screen
>           lock screen
>        end if
>     end repeat
>     put T && it && C - 1 into fld 2
>     close file fPath
> end mouseUp
>
> function bAdd x,y
>     put 0 into c
>     repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y)) step 14
>        add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
>        put char -14 to -1 of c before r
>        delete char -14 to -1 of c
>     end repeat
>     return c & r
> end bAdd
>
> function bAdd2 x,y
>     put 0 into c
>     repeat with i = 1 to max(length(x),length(y))
>        put char -i of x + char -i of y + c into c
>        put char -1 of c before r
>        delete char -1 of c
>     end repeat
>     return c & r
> end bAdd2
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 18:21:53 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 15:21:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Converting SVG in many files with a single path
Message-ID: <1447629713423-4698810.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi All,

After many days with headaches, body aches and fever,
I feel better. I survived... :-)
http://dr1.com/forums/showthread.php/152802-49-Dengue-Deaths-in-2015-Government-Implements-Plan?highlight=dengue

During my forced rest period, I had time to ponder
about how to make faster code development to
update SVGL. Consider this:
What if any SVG file (with multiple paths or figures) 
could be converted in multiple files with just 
a single path or graphic?

This svg file have 80 paths:
https://openclipart.org/detail/3859/italian-coffee-maker
Using LiveCode, How could I create 80 valid SVG files?
Thanks in advance!

Alejandro










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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon Nov 16 05:22:38 2015
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:22:38 +0100
Subject: Livecode Licence Rules for dummies ....
Message-ID: <5649AE6E.1030705@hrz.uni-kassel.de>


Monte Goulding monte at appisle.net
Sun Nov 15 21:05:46 CET 2015 wrote:



> > On 15 Nov 2015, at 11:12 pm, sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote:
> > The URL <livecode.com/lock-in-your-price 
> <http://livecode.com/lock-in-your-price>> led to the Cleverbridge 
> website <https://www.cleverbridge.com <https://www.cleverbridge.com/>> 
> where an additional VAT sum was added to the price of  $499, which was 
> not mentioned by Kevin and which I overlooked initially when accepting 
> Kevin's proposal.
> >
> > I am also informed on my personal Livecode account that a fixed VAT 
> sum (stipulated on the basis of the dollar-euro exchange rate of July 
> 2015) will be charged each year if I prolong the subscription after 2018.-
>
> We would all rather pay no tax. I?m unsure how the VAT works but with 
> Australia?s GST you can claim the full amount back on business 
> expenses. How exactly did you expect Kevin to know what tax rules 
> apply to you until you had entered your details at the point of sale?
>
> Cheers

You are certainly right about the VAT. But that was only a side issue 
and not the main point of my post. The important part was this:

> Due to my kickstarter contribution I have got a commercial licence 
> that is valid up to August 2016. Legally that would mean IMHO that I 
> am entitled to develop and distribute software under the conditions of 
> this license, particularly
>
> - to use any commercial-like Livecode version released until August 
> 2016 *forever* and without any restrictions to the possible revenue 
> from sales and not subject to the new subscription scheme, in case I 
> use the latest available Livecode version of August 2016.
>
> Regrettably the license rules have changed now and the changes - in my 
> limited perspective - were not fully transparent to me.  I would think 
> that of the two present "near-commercial" licenses only the "business" 
> version would be fully equivalent to the conditions of my own present 
> licence valid up to August 2016. 

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke





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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Nov 16 06:28:08 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 03:28:08 -0800
Subject: Mimic Chrome Browser Using CEF Browser?
Message-ID: <D26EFDC8.71C4B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I'm trying to run an HTML page locally within LiveCode using the CEF
browser, and the page needs to think it's being accessed by Chrome.  Do I
use libURLSetCustomHTTPHeaders to do this, or something else?  Can anyone
explain how?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design






From david at viral.academy  Mon Nov 16 06:37:33 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:37:33 +0000
Subject: Mimic Chrome Browser Using CEF Browser?
In-Reply-To: <D26EFDC8.71C4B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D26EFDC8.71C4B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNOYwvDmf3aGsEE_2GGmnyjtopWC1xJx4b8wzTA8jFyKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes you want to set the user-agent in the http headers:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent#Format_for_human-operated_web_browsers

The new browser widget let's you do that manually as well.

On Monday, 16 November 2015, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to run an HTML page locally within LiveCode using the CEF
> browser, and the page needs to think it's being accessed by Chrome.  Do I
> use libURLSetCustomHTTPHeaders to do this, or something else?  Can anyone
> explain how?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Nov 16 07:33:05 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:33:05 +0100
Subject: [OT] Programming for the Real Beginner as a Christmas present?
Message-ID: <5649CD01.7030006@economy-x-talk.com>

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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Mon Nov 16 07:40:25 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:40:25 +0000
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 9
Message-ID: <5649CEB9.1020103@livecode.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source 
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

     Read issue #9 here: https://goo.gl/Umg0tk


This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been 
going on in and around the open source project.  New issues will be 
released weekly on Mondays.  We have a dedicated mailing list that will 
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion 
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.

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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Nov 16 08:33:54 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 05:33:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LC8 dp9 Difficulty
In-Reply-To: <B3C54A11-3B72-46BE-961D-7166F0679A28@earthednet.org>
References: <72686384-16EC-461D-AD6F-0904226268C2@earthednet.org>
	<907AD036-CC42-4B3B-805E-005504C26086@earthednet.org>
	<C74560A0-23A7-48F9-AF7B-BF93209D14B1@livecode.org>
	<A161E35B-00B3-481F-BB73-44FFD07B98B4@earthednet.org>
	<B3C54A11-3B72-46BE-961D-7166F0679A28@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <1447680834090-4698816.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Bill - that bug number doesn't resolve - think you meant 16429?

Wprothero wrote
> Reported bug: 145269





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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 09:15:03 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:15:03 -0500
Subject: Calculating the sum of a *lot* of primes
In-Reply-To: <5648FD88.4000500@tweedly.net>
References: <CAKCLKto7wAP4OxF-npm7MKzDMxv_1L=ZrKosV5zF3dDX6=Jq0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<77AC26A0-3B8D-49B7-BA2D-77689A980A53@jhj.com>
	<CAKCLKtoh+ZvawaOi7piqfABb0HCcB7SGwgBgym1xqULGk-=W_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5648FD88.4000500@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKton91m-46BRDuyJ0wpRyc_Jv7pAJYmBq0DBZqkDEA3SJg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for pointing out optimizations -- I was only interested in getting
the answer so I wasn't even thinking about speed.

This revision gets the correct result in just under three minutes, while
the original took several hours so it's at least 60x faster. Your
optimization is the largest, by far I suspect.

In addition I: upped the limit for regular addition to 14 digits; read the
input file 10,000 lines at a time; used replace and sum() to get the value
to add (except for the last batch, which requires going line-by-line to
avoid over-adding); and improved the bAdd function to be more efficient.
I'm sure this could be optimized/cleaned up further, but I'm happy to leave
it at 3 minutes.

function bAdd x,y
   put 0 into c
   repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y)) step 14
      add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
      put char -14 to -1 of ("00000000000000" & c) before r
      delete char -14 to -1 of c
   end repeat
   put c before r
   repeat until char 1 of r is not 0
      delete char 1 of r
   end repeat
   return r
end bAdd

on mouseUp
   put fld "path2" into fPath
   open file fPath for read
   put the long seconds into performanceTime
   put 0 into T
   put 0 into S
   put 0 into tTemp
   put fld 1 into upperLimit
   repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
      read from file fPath for 10000 line
      if it is empty then exit repeat
      if line -1 of (char -20 to -1 of it) < upperLimit then
         replace cr with comma in it
         add sum(it) to tTemp
      else
         repeat for each line L in it
            if L > upperLimit then exit repeat
            add L to tTemp
         end repeat
      end if
      if tTemp > 100000000000000 then
         put bAdd(T,tTemp) into T
         put 0 into tTemp
      end if
      if the seconds > S then
         put the seconds + 5 into S
         if L is empty
         then put C && item 1 of it into fld 2
         else put C && L into fld 2
         unlock screen
         lock screen
      end if
      if L > upperLimit then exit repeat
   end repeat
   put C && L into fld 2
   put bAdd(T,tTemp) into T
   put T && L && (the long seconds - performanceTime)
   close file fPath
end mouseUp




On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> thanks for such a fun little problem.
>
> I know you have a complete solution - but I still wanted to investigate if
> it could be done any faster.
>
> The main constraint to take advantage of is that, although the sum of the
> primes needs to be an arbitrarily large number and use 'bigmath', the
> individual primes must fit within a normal LC number.
>
> Therefore, we can use a running sub-total, and only when that approaches
> the upper limit of a normal integer add that to the overall total (with
> bigMath).
>
> So something like  (changed lines marked with "|")
>
>    repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
>       read from file fPath for 1 line
>       if it > fld 1 then exit repeat
> |      add char 1 to -2 of it to subtotal
> |      if subtotal > 999999999999 then   -- that's 12 of them :=-)
> |         put bAdd2(T,subtotal) into T
> |         put 0 into subtotal
> |      end if
>       if the seconds > S then
>          put the seconds + 1 into S
>          put T && it && C into fld 2
>          unlock screen
>          lock screen
>       end if
>    end repeat
> |   put bAdd2(T,subtotal) into T
>    put T && it && C - 1 into fld 2
>
>
> I didn't have a list of primes on hand, so I used a synthetic little
> benchmark using random large numbers, and got a speed-up of between 50x and
> 100x. I suspect the benfit in the real case would be towards the lower end
> of that range, if my guess about magnitude of the primes is correct.
>
>
> We could also replace 'bAdd' with 'bAddSmall' which takes one arbitrarily
> large number and one normal LC number and adds them; I would guess this
> would give at most 5-10% improvement, so I haven't bothered actually trying
> it :-)
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 12/11/2015 06:26, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>> I re-wrote the algorithm a bit to tweak for speed, then ran it
>> successfully
>> for primes up to 3 billion (a couple hours), and got the wrong answer
>> because my big addition function was broken :-/
>>
>> So I broke the problem in two: first generate the list of primes, then do
>> the addition.
>>
>> For the primes I generated the list up to 100,000, stored that, and then
>> used a simpler (by one command) routine to generate the primes to 10
>> billion in a few hours. Here's that:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>     put the long seconds into ST
>>     repeat for each line i in line 2 to -1 of the primeList of this stack
>>        put 2*i & comma after P[i^2]
>>     end repeat
>>     put 2 into pList
>>     put fld "path" into fPath
>>     open file fPath for write
>>     put 0 into S
>>     put fld 1 into endPoint
>>     if endPoint mod 2 = 0 then subtract 1 from endPoint
>>     repeat with i = 3 to endPoint step 2
>>        if P[i] is empty then
>>           put cr & i after pList
>>        else
>>           repeat for each item x in P[i]
>>              put x & comma after P[i + x]
>>           end repeat
>>        end if
>>        if the seconds > S then
>>           put the seconds + 5 into S
>>           put i into fld 2
>>           write pList to file fPath
>>           put empty into pList
>>           unlock screen
>>           lock screen
>>        end if
>>        delete variable P[i]
>>     end repeat
>>     put i into fld 2
>>     write pList to file fPath
>>     close file fPath
>>     put the long seconds - ST
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> That's ~5gb of primes...
>>
>> Then I re-wrote the addition function to use a simpler, slower method,
>> tested it, and let it go. An hour or so later, and I had my answer
>> (validated against the site with the challenge). If anyone sees the
>> problem
>> with bAdd, I'm all ears. I didn't look too closely, since I just wanted to
>> get the code running to solve the problem. It works for all the test cases
>> I tried, but it seems to fail on the boundary between 14 and 15 digit
>> numbers.
>>
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>     put fld "path" into fPath
>>     open file fPath for read
>>     put 0 into T
>>     put 0 into S
>>     repeat with C = 1 to 999999999999
>>        read from file fPath for 1 line
>>        if it > fld 1 then exit repeat
>>        put bAdd2(T,char 1 to -2 of it) into T
>>        if the seconds > S then
>>           put the seconds + 1 into S
>>           put T && it && C into fld 2
>>           unlock screen
>>           lock screen
>>        end if
>>     end repeat
>>     put T && it && C - 1 into fld 2
>>     close file fPath
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> function bAdd x,y
>>     put 0 into c
>>     repeat with i = 14 to max(length(x),length(y)) step 14
>>        add char -i to 13 - i of x + char -i to 13 - i of y to c
>>        put char -14 to -1 of c before r
>>        delete char -14 to -1 of c
>>     end repeat
>>     return c & r
>> end bAdd
>>
>> function bAdd2 x,y
>>     put 0 into c
>>     repeat with i = 1 to max(length(x),length(y))
>>        put char -i of x + char -i of y + c into c
>>        put char -1 of c before r
>>        delete char -1 of c
>>     end repeat
>>     return c & r
>> end bAdd2
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Nov 16 14:16:29 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:16:29 -0500
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <56471637.30100@gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56471637.30100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>

GM doesn't work, yet, either, but I'm guessing that it isn't supposed to
work, yet.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>>
>>> Well Done!
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>>
>
> I don't think that's the case.
>
> What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me about DP
> 8 and thou art
> looking for things that worried thee.
>
> 1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole computer.
>
> 2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs palette.
>
> and so on.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>> User plugins are again not loaded.
>> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
>> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
>> Editing is painful:
>>  Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
>>  Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
>>  Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
>>  The Apply button stays yellow.
>> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
>> Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
>> Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
>>  Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
>>  Maybe the engine is still compiling.
>>
>>
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From paul at livecode.org  Mon Nov 16 14:28:12 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:28:12 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56471637.30100@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D942B2F6-5A77-461F-B5F4-0EEE20EE2BCA@livecode.org>

Try adding...

on resizeStack
   revUpdateGeometry
end resizeStack

...to your stack script, that seemed to get some things working for me, I?m just setting up a bug report for this.

Paul

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> GM doesn't work, yet, either, but I'm guessing that it isn't supposed to
> work, yet.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>>> 
>>>> Well Done!
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>>> 
>> 
>> I don't think that's the case.
>> 
>> What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me about DP
>> 8 and thou art
>> looking for things that worried thee.
>> 
>> 1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole computer.
>> 
>> 2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs palette.
>> 
>> and so on.
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> 
>>> User plugins are again not loaded.
>>> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
>>> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
>>> Editing is painful:
>>> Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
>>> Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
>>> Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
>>> The Apply button stays yellow.
>>> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
>>> Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
>>> Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
>>> Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
>>> Maybe the engine is still compiling.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Nov 16 14:51:38 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:51:38 -0500
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <D942B2F6-5A77-461F-B5F4-0EEE20EE2BCA@livecode.org>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56471637.30100@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D942B2F6-5A77-461F-B5F4-0EEE20EE2BCA@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO3nSWrbF9JshLPfSRvkJaQNXjrD4Wz5Y_+auiOFyiF9Q@mail.gmail.com>

There are other problems with GM, not just not functioning properly.  GM
properties aren't showing in the palette after they are set (but they are
still affecting behavior), etc., so I'm going to just leave it alone until
the next DP

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:

> Try adding...
>
> on resizeStack
>    revUpdateGeometry
> end resizeStack
>
> ...to your stack script, that seemed to get some things working for me,
> I?m just setting up a bug report for this.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > GM doesn't work, yet, either, but I'm guessing that it isn't supposed to
> > work, yet.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well Done!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't think that's the case.
> >>
> >> What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me about
> DP
> >> 8 and thou art
> >> looking for things that worried thee.
> >>
> >> 1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole computer.
> >>
> >> 2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs palette.
> >>
> >> and so on.
> >>
> >> Richmond.
> >>
> >>
> >>> User plugins are again not loaded.
> >>> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
> >>> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
> >>> Editing is painful:
> >>> Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
> >>> Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
> >>> Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
> >>> The Apply button stays yellow.
> >>> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
> >>> Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
> >>> Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
> >>> Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
> >>> Maybe the engine is still compiling.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From skip at magicgate.com  Mon Nov 16 15:01:05 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:01:05 -0500
Subject: How to figure out what is causing a standalone to fail during compile
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4PxDc18Bt-2ivJryzv3tk0BCv7ajdnWja9gGzvv5FzBWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Windows standalone that is failing to compile for some reason.

The error message that LC gives me has quite a bit of info but none that
seems useful.  Is there any log file or anything more detailed I can
examine to figure out why it is failing?  If I can figure anything out from
it, it appears it fails on:

revCopyScriptLibraries
AND
revCreateStandalone

Any insight is greatly appreciated!

SKIP KIMPEL


From paul at livecode.org  Mon Nov 16 15:14:19 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:14:19 -0800
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycO3nSWrbF9JshLPfSRvkJaQNXjrD4Wz5Y_+auiOFyiF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56471637.30100@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D942B2F6-5A77-461F-B5F4-0EEE20EE2BCA@livecode.org>
	<CADCoycO3nSWrbF9JshLPfSRvkJaQNXjrD4Wz5Y_+auiOFyiF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C785BD34-FEBD-4921-A7B1-9AAF57E52333@livecode.org>

Very true, thank you for confirming. It also appears impossible to remove GM settings once applied. I?ve just filed a bug so please feel free to add any comments or observation, it just helps to add weight to the bug reports when others are seeing the same issues.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16435

Paul

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> There are other problems with GM, not just not functioning properly.  GM
> properties aren't showing in the palette after they are set (but they are
> still affecting behavior), etc., so I'm going to just leave it alone until
> the next DP
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
>> Try adding...
>> 
>> on resizeStack
>>   revUpdateGeometry
>> end resizeStack
>> 
>> ...to your stack script, that seemed to get some things working for me,
>> I?m just setting up a bug report for this.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> GM doesn't work, yet, either, but I'm guessing that it isn't supposed to
>>> work, yet.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well Done!
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think that's the case.
>>>> 
>>>> What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me about
>> DP
>>>> 8 and thou art
>>>> looking for things that worried thee.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole computer.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs palette.
>>>> 
>>>> and so on.
>>>> 
>>>> Richmond.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> User plugins are again not loaded.
>>>>> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
>>>>> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
>>>>> Editing is painful:
>>>>> Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
>>>>> Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
>>>>> Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
>>>>> The Apply button stays yellow.
>>>>> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
>>>>> Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
>>>>> Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
>>>>> Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
>>>>> Maybe the engine is still compiling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Mon Nov 16 15:17:05 2015
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:17:05 +0000
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycO3nSWrbF9JshLPfSRvkJaQNXjrD4Wz5Y_+auiOFyiF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56471637.30100@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D942B2F6-5A77-461F-B5F4-0EEE20EE2BCA@livecode.org>
	<CADCoycO3nSWrbF9JshLPfSRvkJaQNXjrD4Wz5Y_+auiOFyiF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1giUXg9v4K7EGrm=0sEn3ofSYWBG+3tv+5uaMBL6THsvw@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately there was an issue with recursive array union that's
preventing the GM working.

If anyone would like to test the general functionality of the geometry
manager in the meantime, you could apply the following workaround to the
script of stack "revIDELibrary":
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/661/files

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> There are other problems with GM, not just not functioning properly.  GM
> properties aren't showing in the palette after they are set (but they are
> still affecting behavior), etc., so I'm going to just leave it alone until
> the next DP
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
>
> > Try adding...
> >
> > on resizeStack
> >    revUpdateGeometry
> > end resizeStack
> >
> > ...to your stack script, that seemed to get some things working for me,
> > I?m just setting up a bug report for this.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > GM doesn't work, yet, either, but I'm guessing that it isn't supposed
> to
> > > work, yet.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well Done!
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I don't think that's the case.
> > >>
> > >> What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me about
> > DP
> > >> 8 and thou art
> > >> looking for things that worried thee.
> > >>
> > >> 1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole
> computer.
> > >>
> > >> 2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs
> palette.
> > >>
> > >> and so on.
> > >>
> > >> Richmond.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> User plugins are again not loaded.
> > >>> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
> > >>> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
> > >>> Editing is painful:
> > >>> Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
> > >>> Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
> > >>> Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
> > >>> The Apply button stays yellow.
> > >>> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
> > >>> Switching from Browse mode to Edit mode doesn't.
> > >>> Possibly because of the Edit problems above,
> > >>> Clicking on a button has no effect during some period.
> > >>> Maybe the engine is still compiling.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> use-livecode mailing list
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > >> subscription preferences:
> > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >   and did a little diving.
> > > And God said, "This is good."
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Nov 16 16:27:30 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:27:30 -0500
Subject: Release 8.0 DP 9
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1giUXg9v4K7EGrm=0sEn3ofSYWBG+3tv+5uaMBL6THsvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJR0Q1gopRqnxe6MtkgP2xEGjdTPjpN9K9enOL8AfbhMh5vMpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56463E9D.9040303@gmail.com> <56466B0D.6080709@ahsoftware.net>
	<56471637.30100@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOB84v9Khj381Ku=BsqrwXpfka6qCr4sKfx18eiMC+7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D942B2F6-5A77-461F-B5F4-0EEE20EE2BCA@livecode.org>
	<CADCoycO3nSWrbF9JshLPfSRvkJaQNXjrD4Wz5Y_+auiOFyiF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1giUXg9v4K7EGrm=0sEn3ofSYWBG+3tv+5uaMBL6THsvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOuC=yF6ThS4wo2djWGpSJ3tcLFY2KosbLFLOAW4VM-vg@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,
Actually, you can undo the settings, by going back in to the object in
question and selecting and then de-selecting.  So, for example, pick
re-size, then click three-times on the relationship to make it absolute,
then relative, then nothing.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately there was an issue with recursive array union that's
> preventing the GM working.
>
> If anyone would like to test the general functionality of the geometry
> manager in the meantime, you could apply the following workaround to the
> script of stack "revIDELibrary":
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/661/files
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There are other problems with GM, not just not functioning properly.  GM
> > properties aren't showing in the palette after they are set (but they are
> > still affecting behavior), etc., so I'm going to just leave it alone
> until
> > the next DP
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Try adding...
> > >
> > > on resizeStack
> > >    revUpdateGeometry
> > > end resizeStack
> > >
> > > ...to your stack script, that seemed to get some things working for me,
> > > I?m just setting up a bug report for this.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > GM doesn't work, yet, either, but I'm guessing that it isn't supposed
> > to
> > > > work, yet.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Richmond <
> richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 14/11/15 00:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 11/13/2015 11:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Considerably better than DP 8.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Well Done!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hmmm... what are you seeing that I'm not?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't think that's the case.
> > > >>
> > > >> What is the case is that I am looking for things that worried me
> about
> > > DP
> > > >> 8 and thou art
> > > >> looking for things that worried thee.
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. The IDE got badly stuck after loading and crashed my whole
> > computer.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. The Geometry manager has returned to its roost in the Prefs
> > palette.
> > > >>
> > > >> and so on.
> > > >>
> > > >> Richmond.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> User plugins are again not loaded.
> > > >>> You can no longer right-click an object for a contextual menu.
> > > >>> When saving a stack, the 'saving' dialog never goes away.
> > > >>> Editing is painful:
> > > >>> Have to use the Edit menu after selecting an object.
> > > >>> Clicking the 'Apply' button does nothing for tens of seconds.
> > > >>> Then possibly you are requested to reload the script.
> > > >>> The Apply button stays yellow.
> > > >>> Switching from Edit mode to Browse mode (tool palette) works.
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And God said, "This is good."


From joseantoniorocha at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 17:05:36 2015
From: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Antonio_Rocha?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:05:36 -0200
Subject: XML-RPC
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNzsZww6p2YaprUFWw5dmtYVGDW-7h_zjaVLywJ7dMS6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eONoC4qUSGjxVkqd0m8=vOWnAcCMw4A3ent+ta9Z=0XoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56482CD6.90204@hindu.org>
	<CAGDT7eNzsZww6p2YaprUFWw5dmtYVGDW-7h_zjaVLywJ7dMS6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM5a0KQGd_YV+9Qz2hfKyTNS0PKxMMvMxZgMvnwv+WAt4sXQRQ@mail.gmail.com>

2015-11-15 15:48 GMT-02:00 Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:

> This looks like the server side of things and I'm
> looking for examples of using the revXMLRPC@ calls from a Livecode desktop
> app.
>

?Here is my getPost WordPress function:

---------------------------
-- GET POST
---------------------------
/*
-- Fields to return (optionals):
string post_id, string post_title, datetime post_date, datetime
post_date_gmt,
datetime post_modified, datetime post_modified_gmt, string post_status,
string post_type, string post_format, string post_name, string post_author,
string post_password, string post_excerpt, string post_content, string
post_parent
string post_mime_type, string link, string guid, int menu_order, string
comment_status,
string ping_status, boolean sticky, struct post_thumbnail [lack support,
yet],
array terms (string term_id, string name, string slug, string term_group,
string term_taxonomy_id, string taxonomy, string description,
string parent, int count ), array custom_fields (id, key, value),
array enclosure (url, length, type)
*/
function wp.getPost pPostID pFieldsA
   global gDebug
   global gServer, gPort, gXmlrpcPath, gProto, gBlogID
   local tID, res, lPostContentA,tMembersNum, tMemberPath, tName
   local tCustomPath, tCustomNum, tCustomStructPath, tTemp, tCustomName,
tCustomValue
   local tTermsPath, tTermsNum, tTermMembersPath, tTermMembersNum, tTermName
   local tTermStructChildPath, tTermValue, tEnclosurePath, tEnclosureName
   local tEnclosureChildPath, tEnclosureValue, tValuePath, tValue

   put revXMLRPC_CreateRequest(gServer, gPort, gXmlrpcPath, gProto) into tID
   revXMLRPC_SetMethod tID, "wp.getPost"
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tID, "int", gBlogID -- this don't select the blog but
is neccessary
   XMLRPC_AddUser tID
   -- Set the post to retrieve
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tID, "int", pPostID
   -- Set optional fields to retrieve
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tID, "array", pFieldsA
   XMLRPC_SetAuthorization tID
   -- Retrieve
   put revXMLRPC_Execute(tID) into res
   //put revXMLText(res) into gDebug ----------------debugging
   revDeleteXMLTree tID
   Err res
   -- Build an array with posts data
   -- This path refers to structure of returned XML
   put revXMLnumberOfChildren(res,
"/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/","member", 1) into tMembersNum
   repeat with x = 1 to tMembersNum
      put format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/",
x) into tMemberPath
      put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tMemberPath & "name")) into tName
      if tName is "custom_fields" then
         put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/",x)
into tCustomPath
         put revxmlnumberofchildren(res, tCustomPath,"value", 1) into
tCustomNum
         repeat with y = 1 to tCustomNum
            put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/",
x,y) into tCustomStructPath
            -- Get the fields: "id", "key", "value"
            repeat with z = 1 to 3
               put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/member[%s]/",
x,y,z) into tTemp
               put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "name")) into
tCustomName
               put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "value/string")) into
tCustomValue
               put textDecode(tCustomValue,"UTF-8") into
lPostContentA[tName][y][tCustomName]
            end repeat
         end repeat
         next repeat
      end if
      if tName is "terms" then
         put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/",x)
into tTermsPath
         put revxmlnumberofchildren(res, tTermsPath,"value", 1) into
tTermsNum
         repeat with y = 1 to tTermsNum
            put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/",
x,y) into tTermMembersPath
            put revxmlnumberofchildren(res, tTermMembersPath,"value", 1)
into tTermMembersNum
            repeat with z = 1 to tTermMembersNum
               put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/member[%s]/",
x,y,z) into tTemp
               put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "name")) into tTermName
               put revXMLFirstChild(res,(tTemp & "value")) into
tTermStructChildPath
               put revXMLNodeContents(res, tTermStructChildPath) into
tTermValue
               put textDecode(tTermValue,"UTF-8") into
lPostContentA[tName][y][tTermName]
            end repeat
         end repeat
         next repeat
      end if
      -- WP return just one enclosure. It apears in custom fields, too.
      if tName is "enclosure" then
         put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/struct/",
x) into tEnclosurePath
         -- Get the fields: "url", "length", "type"
         repeat with y = 1 to 3
            put
format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/struct/member[%s]/",
x,y) into tTemp
            put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "name")) into
tEnclosureName
            if tEnclosureName is not empty and not(tEnclosureName begins
with "xmlerr,") then
               put revXMLFirstChild(res,(tTemp & "value")) into
tEnclosureChildPath
               put revXMLNodeContents(res, tEnclosureChildPath) into
tEnclosureValue
               put textDecode(tEnclosureValue,"UTF-8") into
lPostContentA[tName][tEnclosureName]
            end if
         end repeat
         next repeat
      end if
      -- (TODO: post_thumbnail support)
      -- If is any other field type:
      ---- revXMLFirstChild get any type (string, boolean, array, int, i4,
dateTime.iso8601, struct)
      put revXMLFirstChild(res,(tMemberPath & "value")) into tValuePath
      put revXMLNodeContents(res, tValuePath) into tValue
      put textDecode(tValue,"UTF-8") into lPostContentA[tName]
   end repeat
   return lPostContentA
end wp.getPost
?



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email: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
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------------------------------


From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Nov 16 17:16:59 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:16:59 -0800
Subject: XML-RPC
In-Reply-To: <CAM5a0KQGd_YV+9Qz2hfKyTNS0PKxMMvMxZgMvnwv+WAt4sXQRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eONoC4qUSGjxVkqd0m8=vOWnAcCMw4A3ent+ta9Z=0XoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56482CD6.90204@hindu.org>
	<CAGDT7eNzsZww6p2YaprUFWw5dmtYVGDW-7h_zjaVLywJ7dMS6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAM5a0KQGd_YV+9Qz2hfKyTNS0PKxMMvMxZgMvnwv+WAt4sXQRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN45BmuV6wS5truM9dXQE8Vs+dcQ32yuTZPC0WkEgGbQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jose.  That's pretty much what I'm doing but I get an error 400 back
from the server (I think the text is "unknown method" or something similar.

I have moved on to using curl to get what I need.  The third party had some
docs on how to do that so I use shell() to issue the curl command with the
output redirected to a file which I then read to get the output of the
command.  Seems to be working fine so far.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jos? Antonio Rocha <
joseantoniorocha at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2015-11-15 15:48 GMT-02:00 Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:
>
> > This looks like the server side of things and I'm
> > looking for examples of using the revXMLRPC@ calls from a Livecode
> desktop
> > app.
> >
>
> ?Here is my getPost WordPress function:
>
> ---------------------------
> -- GET POST
> ---------------------------
> /*
> -- Fields to return (optionals):
> string post_id, string post_title, datetime post_date, datetime
> post_date_gmt,
> datetime post_modified, datetime post_modified_gmt, string post_status,
> string post_type, string post_format, string post_name, string post_author,
> string post_password, string post_excerpt, string post_content, string
> post_parent
> string post_mime_type, string link, string guid, int menu_order, string
> comment_status,
> string ping_status, boolean sticky, struct post_thumbnail [lack support,
> yet],
> array terms (string term_id, string name, string slug, string term_group,
> string term_taxonomy_id, string taxonomy, string description,
> string parent, int count ), array custom_fields (id, key, value),
> array enclosure (url, length, type)
> */
> function wp.getPost pPostID pFieldsA
>    global gDebug
>    global gServer, gPort, gXmlrpcPath, gProto, gBlogID
>    local tID, res, lPostContentA,tMembersNum, tMemberPath, tName
>    local tCustomPath, tCustomNum, tCustomStructPath, tTemp, tCustomName,
> tCustomValue
>    local tTermsPath, tTermsNum, tTermMembersPath, tTermMembersNum,
> tTermName
>    local tTermStructChildPath, tTermValue, tEnclosurePath, tEnclosureName
>    local tEnclosureChildPath, tEnclosureValue, tValuePath, tValue
>
>    put revXMLRPC_CreateRequest(gServer, gPort, gXmlrpcPath, gProto) into
> tID
>    revXMLRPC_SetMethod tID, "wp.getPost"
>    revXMLRPC_AddParam tID, "int", gBlogID -- this don't select the blog but
> is neccessary
>    XMLRPC_AddUser tID
>    -- Set the post to retrieve
>    revXMLRPC_AddParam tID, "int", pPostID
>    -- Set optional fields to retrieve
>    revXMLRPC_AddParam tID, "array", pFieldsA
>    XMLRPC_SetAuthorization tID
>    -- Retrieve
>    put revXMLRPC_Execute(tID) into res
>    //put revXMLText(res) into gDebug ----------------debugging
>    revDeleteXMLTree tID
>    Err res
>    -- Build an array with posts data
>    -- This path refers to structure of returned XML
>    put revXMLnumberOfChildren(res,
> "/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/","member", 1) into tMembersNum
>    repeat with x = 1 to tMembersNum
>       put format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/",
> x) into tMemberPath
>       put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tMemberPath & "name")) into tName
>       if tName is "custom_fields" then
>          put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/",x)
> into tCustomPath
>          put revxmlnumberofchildren(res, tCustomPath,"value", 1) into
> tCustomNum
>          repeat with y = 1 to tCustomNum
>             put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/",
> x,y) into tCustomStructPath
>             -- Get the fields: "id", "key", "value"
>             repeat with z = 1 to 3
>                put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/member[%s]/",
> x,y,z) into tTemp
>                put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "name")) into
> tCustomName
>                put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "value/string")) into
> tCustomValue
>                put textDecode(tCustomValue,"UTF-8") into
> lPostContentA[tName][y][tCustomName]
>             end repeat
>          end repeat
>          next repeat
>       end if
>       if tName is "terms" then
>          put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/",x)
> into tTermsPath
>          put revxmlnumberofchildren(res, tTermsPath,"value", 1) into
> tTermsNum
>          repeat with y = 1 to tTermsNum
>             put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/",
> x,y) into tTermMembersPath
>             put revxmlnumberofchildren(res, tTermMembersPath,"value", 1)
> into tTermMembersNum
>             repeat with z = 1 to tTermMembersNum
>                put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/array/data/value[%s]/struct/member[%s]/",
> x,y,z) into tTemp
>                put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "name")) into tTermName
>                put revXMLFirstChild(res,(tTemp & "value")) into
> tTermStructChildPath
>                put revXMLNodeContents(res, tTermStructChildPath) into
> tTermValue
>                put textDecode(tTermValue,"UTF-8") into
> lPostContentA[tName][y][tTermName]
>             end repeat
>          end repeat
>          next repeat
>       end if
>       -- WP return just one enclosure. It apears in custom fields, too.
>       if tName is "enclosure" then
>          put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/struct/",
> x) into tEnclosurePath
>          -- Get the fields: "url", "length", "type"
>          repeat with y = 1 to 3
>             put
>
> format("/methodResponse/params/param/value/struct/member[%s]/value/struct/member[%s]/",
> x,y) into tTemp
>             put revXMLNodeContents(res, (tTemp & "name")) into
> tEnclosureName
>             if tEnclosureName is not empty and not(tEnclosureName begins
> with "xmlerr,") then
>                put revXMLFirstChild(res,(tTemp & "value")) into
> tEnclosureChildPath
>                put revXMLNodeContents(res, tEnclosureChildPath) into
> tEnclosureValue
>                put textDecode(tEnclosureValue,"UTF-8") into
> lPostContentA[tName][tEnclosureName]
>             end if
>          end repeat
>          next repeat
>       end if
>       -- (TODO: post_thumbnail support)
>       -- If is any other field type:
>       ---- revXMLFirstChild get any type (string, boolean, array, int, i4,
> dateTime.iso8601, struct)
>       put revXMLFirstChild(res,(tMemberPath & "value")) into tValuePath
>       put revXMLNodeContents(res, tValuePath) into tValue
>       put textDecode(tValue,"UTF-8") into lPostContentA[tName]
>    end repeat
>    return lPostContentA
> end wp.getPost
> ?
>
>
>
> --
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> <https://plus.google.com/+Jos?AntonioMeiradaRocha/
> <https://plus.google.com/+Jos%C3%A9AntonioMeiradaRocha/>>"
> email: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Nov 16 18:47:04 2015
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:47:04 +0000
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
Message-ID: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>

Does anyone have (fairly recent) experience using LiveCode to with unusual 
input devices - phidgets, PowerMate, MIDI keyboards or controllers, DMX, etc? 
  On either Mac OS X or iOS?

What's easy?  What works?  Are there good externals or libraries I should know 
about?

TIA,

Ben



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Nov 16 18:59:14 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:59:14 -0800
Subject: wtf diesel?
Message-ID: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>

Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 19:18:40 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:18:40 -0500
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
In-Reply-To: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>
References: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <15112ceca86-21ab-1c927@webprd-m85.mail.aol.com>

I have used the "Service USB Plus" from http://www.bkohg.com 


A pleasure to use. Comes with a framework for LC, as well as other platforms. Mainly good for I/O control with external gadgetry. If you wanted to automate an alarm system for your house, or create a disco controller, this is perfect.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
To: Use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 6:54 pm
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices


Does anyone have (fairly recent) experience using LiveCode to with unusual

input devices - phidgets, PowerMate, MIDI keyboards or controllers, DMX, etc?

  On either Mac OS X or iOS?

What's easy?  What works?  Are there good
externals or libraries I should know

about?

TIA,

Ben

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Nov 16 20:03:14 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:03:14 -0800
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
In-Reply-To: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>
References: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <D26FB5BF.71CF9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Ben, when you say "unusual input devices" you're speaking my language --
this is a passion of mine.  While not current (I haven't set this up in
years), at one time I had a Sega Activator ring talking to LiveCode -- it
was either Revolution or MetaCard back then -- to play a virtual drum set,
using your body as the controller.  Yes, there was some latency, but the
novelty was pretty compelling, especially for kids.  The software for the
interface box is long gone, but it seems like this might still be possible
today using this:
http://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Drive-Genesis-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00QRZ1H
VS/


If you're not familiar with the Sega Activator, it was a plastic octagonal
ring you set up on the floor with infrared emitters that bounced off the
ceiling back to the ring.  You stood in the middle of the ring and by
breaking the beams with your arms and legs, you triggered actions on the
console.  Basically a giant controller, the Activator had two levels of
detection and was intended for fighting games, but never took off for many
reasons. It was still a novel concept, especially at the time.
http://segaretro.org/Activator


I imagine something like the Xbox Kinect would be today's equivalent, with
way better resolution and detection.  There are smaller, more intimate
devices such as Leap Motion controller (not tried, sorry), but one
technology that looks really compelling is Google's Project Soli that
detects fine motor gestures using radio waves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNiZfSsPc0

If you have a few hundred bucks, you could pick up a Nintendo Power Glove
on eBay and dominate your (LiveCode) universe:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/111809848197


I'll stop rambling now since I don't have anything currently
tried-and-tested to offer.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/16/15, 3:47 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ben Rubinstein"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of benr_mc at cogapp.com>
wrote:

>Does anyone have (fairly recent) experience using LiveCode to with
>unusual 
>input devices - phidgets, PowerMate, MIDI keyboards or controllers, DMX,
>etc? 
>  On either Mac OS X or iOS?
>
>What's easy?  What works?  Are there good externals or libraries I should
>know 
>about?
>
>TIA,
>
>Ben
>
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From hh at livecode.org  Mon Nov 16 20:45:20 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 02:45:20 +0100
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
Message-ID: <74345FB6-3D63-4BD6-9914-F8F0FF145325@livecode.org>

> Ben R. wrote:
> Does anyone have (fairly recent) experience using LiveCode to with unusual  input devices - phidgets, PowerMate, MIDI keyboards or controllers, DMX, etc?  On either Mac OS X or iOS? What's easy?  What works?  Are there good externals or libraries I should know about?

I found for nearly every device friends or I needed a "how-to" there was a python 'library' to do the 'hardcore' job. You can use this via LC and the "shell" function from several platforms.

You can especially use from all LC-Platforms a RaspberryPi (similar: Arduino) and its incredible hardware options as "connection point" to the home- or building automation.

For MIDI on Mac there is a very high quality external: SunnYmidi by Thierry D. ( sunny-tdz.com ).


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Nov 16 20:51:20 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:51:20 -0500
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <001f01d120da$75bdafe0$61390fa0$@net>

Same here. I put in an emergency support request on Saturday because mail
was not getting delivered. David replied in less than an hour and asked me
what email address I was sending to. I answered and told him that it was
this email address. Email was working on Sunday but a slew of the real and
test emails from Saturday were just delivered 1/2 hour ago. Never heard what
the solution was but it did not seem to release the emails that were sent
before it was fixed.

Are your emails still being delivered late? If so I would put in an
emergency on-rev support ticket immediately.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wieder
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 6:59 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: wtf diesel?

Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Nov 16 20:49:44 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 02:49:44 +0100
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
In-Reply-To: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>
References: <564A6AF8.3000301@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <564A87B8.7000503@economy-x-talk.com>

Some time ago, we had a LiveCode meeting about Arduino. LiveCode works 
very nicely with Arduino. Would that be interesting to you? One of the 
people who regularly attends the meetings has a very nice stack to 
control th Arduino.

Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
http://economy-x-talk.com
https://www.facebook.com/marksch

Buy the most extensive book on the
LiveCode language:
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com

Op 11/17/2015 om 00:47 schreef Ben Rubinstein:
> Does anyone have (fairly recent) experience using LiveCode to with
> unusual input devices - phidgets, PowerMate, MIDI keyboards or
> controllers, DMX, etc?  On either Mac OS X or iOS?
>
> What's easy?  What works?  Are there good externals or libraries I
> should know about?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
>
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From vokey at uleth.ca  Mon Nov 16 21:13:30 2015
From: vokey at uleth.ca (Vokey, John)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 02:13:30 +0000
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9360.1447724930.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.9360.1447724930.27033.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E4B9CBF6-CC6F-4E90-A67E-00DD6515E088@uleth.ca>

Craig.  This looks to be quite useful, but as I don?t read German, it is hard to tell.  I have some very unusual USB devices that I would love to use with LC on my mac.  Currently, I am stuck with the manufacture?s proprietary software.

  How does Service USB Plus detect the usb devices?  Does it require dlls or the equivalent?

--
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>

-Dr. John R. Vokey

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:48 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> I have used the "Service USB Plus" from http://www.bkohg.com 
> 
> 
> A pleasure to use. Comes with a framework for LC, as well as other platforms. Mainly good for I/O control with external gadgetry. If you wanted to automate an alarm system for your house, or create a disco controller, this is perfect.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 


From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 21:25:45 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:25:45 -0500
Subject: LiveCode with unusual input devices
In-Reply-To: <E4B9CBF6-CC6F-4E90-A67E-00DD6515E088@uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <15113432006-424e-1d6f0@webprd-a57.mail.aol.com>

The site is in English as well. Find a checkbox somewhere.


The device communicates with the computer via USB. I am not sure how another USB device might coordinate. I will ask.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Vokey, John <vokey at uleth.ca>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: LiveCode with unusual input devices


Craig.  This looks to be quite useful, but as I don?t read German, it is hard to
tell.  I have some very unusual USB devices that I would love to use with LC on
my mac.  Currently, I am stuck with the manufacture?s proprietary software.

 
How does Service USB Plus detect the usb devices?  Does it require dlls or the
equivalent?

--
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See
<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>

-Dr. John R.
Vokey

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:48 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com
wrote:
> 
> I have used the "Service USB Plus" from http://www.bkohg.com 
>

> 
> A pleasure to use. Comes with a framework for LC, as well as other
platforms. Mainly good for I/O control with external gadgetry. If you wanted to
automate an alarm system for your house, or create a disco controller, this is
perfect.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
>


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From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Mon Nov 16 22:06:57 2015
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 04:06:57 +0100
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 146, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1447498802.5103.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1447498802.5103.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C4D86AC9-F254-4850-8689-25AE218EC43A@de-mare.nl>

Hi Stephen,

That space needs to be a space; not a %20. 

But I found the solution. There was a helpful user contributed note in the documentation of the shell command: change the $PATH variable. I figured out what the $PATH was in the Terminal and I copied it. Then I changed the variable in LiveCode to match it. It worked like a breeze and it solved my problem.


With kind regards,
Terry Vogelaar

> From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Converting HTML to Jade?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Terry Vogelaar <tvogelaar at de-mare.nl>
> wrote:
> 
>> Strange that the terminal doesn?t have problems finding it, while the
>> LiveCode shell does. What am I doing wrong?
> 
> 
> there's a space after html2jade -- I am pretty sure it needs to be encoded.
> 
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words


From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Nov 16 23:25:31 2015
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:25:31 -0700
Subject: Special Paste
Message-ID: <AF44D1CC-8196-4B05-9F89-EA90EDB7F0EA@mac.com>

I having been trying to implement Paste and Match Style found on Pages app and also on Word, which is called Paste Special, where the text contents of the clipboard are pasted into a document that matches the existing font and font style in the document.  

I searched the Rev and LC archives and could not find any examples.  Does anyone have a script for this? 

Sent from my iPad


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 00:50:22 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:50:22 -0500
Subject: Special Paste
In-Reply-To: <AF44D1CC-8196-4B05-9F89-EA90EDB7F0EA@mac.com>
References: <AF44D1CC-8196-4B05-9F89-EA90EDB7F0EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr=gzaQLaUgcbhUL4bDeG=iVcAi1AFpgzLohqpXm3S0sw@mail.gmail.com>

I think this works:

   put clipboardData["text"] into the selectedchunk

There may be failure modes I'm unaware of.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Charles Szasz <cszasz at mac.com> wrote:

> I having been trying to implement Paste and Match Style found on Pages app
> and also on Word, which is called Paste Special, where the text contents of
> the clipboard are pasted into a document that matches the existing font and
> font style in the document.
>
> I searched the Rev and LC archives and could not find any examples.  Does
> anyone have a script for this?
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Nov 17 06:42:08 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:42:08 +0100
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <11566D9C-752F-4A26-847D-3D68C0DE2455@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 17.11.2015 um 00:59 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
> I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.

same here, just send an URGENT mail to support!

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Nov 17 07:18:49 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:18:49 +0100
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <EDB9171D-4AF6-4CC6-AA39-3B3990575A7F@m-r-d.de>


Two or three days ago the On-Rev status page showed a high load of diesel.
Although the server load of diesel is now low again,  it could be that the server has to deliver a massive amount of emails which get stuck due to the high load.

And this could be the reason why the emails are now coming in w/o order. Newly sent emails could be delivered earlier than the ?older? ones in the queue.
This is a ?normal? behavior after such an event. At least i experienced the same behavior on non On-Rev servers also.

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 17.11.2015 um 00:59 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
> I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From hh at livecode.org  Tue Nov 17 07:44:18 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (-hh)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:44:18 +0100
Subject: Special Paste
Message-ID: <6C6D8292-EA48-4F06-95D6-50C2620C7EA7@livecode.org>

Please look also in the dictionary of newest LC 8:

fullClipboardData and rawClipboardData

greatly enhanced the clipboard access.



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 08:52:40 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:52:40 -0500
Subject: Special Paste
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr=gzaQLaUgcbhUL4bDeG=iVcAi1AFpgzLohqpXm3S0sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF44D1CC-8196-4B05-9F89-EA90EDB7F0EA@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr=gzaQLaUgcbhUL4bDeG=iVcAi1AFpgzLohqpXm3S0sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ADF433F-B0FE-4C8D-9D1D-8C9366EB612E@gmail.com>

To expand on this, below are the handlers I have in my LC frontscript, so I can paste and match style anywhere in LC.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

----------

on commandKeyDown pKey
   -- to paste plain text
   --    (matching the formatting of the target field)
   -- Mac: command-control-V
   -- Win: control-alt-V
   --    (change these if you wish, in the pastePlain handler)
   -- put this handler and the pastePlain hanlder into a frontscript
   --    where it will operate everywhere in LC
   -- requires pastePlain
   
   switch pKey
      case "V"
         pastePlain
         if the result is "justPaste" then
            pass commandKeyDown
         end if
         break
      default
         -- add your other commandkey scripts before the default
         pass commandKeyDown
   end switch
end commandKeyDown

on pastePlain
   -- to paste plain text
   --    (matching the formatting of the target field)
   -- Mac: command-control-V
   -- Win: control-alt-V
   --    (change these if you wish)
   -- put this handler and the commandKeyDown hanlder into a frontscript
   --    where it will operate everywhere in LC
   -- requires commandKeyDown
   
   if the tool is not "browse tool" \
         or the clipboard is not "text" \
         or the selectedField is empty then
      return "justPaste"
   end if
   switch the platform
      case "MacOS"
         if the controlkey is up then return "justPaste"
         break
      case "Win32"
         if the altkey is up then return "justPaste"
         break
      default
         return "justPaste"
   end switch
   -- now plain text is needed
   put the clipboarddata["text"] into the selectedchunk
end pastePlain

----------

On Nov 17, 2015, at 12:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> I think this works:
> 
>   put clipboardData["text"] into the selectedchunk
> 
> There may be failure modes I'm unaware of.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Charles Szasz <cszasz at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I having been trying to implement Paste and Match Style found on Pages app
>> and also on Word, which is called Paste Special, where the text contents of
>> the clipboard are pasted into a document that matches the existing font and
>> font style in the document.
>> 
>> I searched the Rev and LC archives and could not find any examples.  Does
>> anyone have a script for this?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Nov 17 09:46:33 2015
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:46:33 -0000
Subject: ChartMaker and LiveCode 8
Message-ID: <001501d12146$c1fe9790$45fbc6b0$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Has anyone had any issues applying ChartMaker in LiveCode 8? Just wanting to
make sure it remains stable for everyone in these fast-changing times.

Hugh Senior
FLCo




From littlejamesw at mac.com  Tue Nov 17 11:57:10 2015
From: littlejamesw at mac.com (James Little)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:57:10 -0800
Subject: Widget Browser Unable to Open Link in New Tab
Message-ID: <896E51CA-A8B6-4B20-8236-1AF3311D0923@mac.com>

Hi All,

I like the new widget browser in 8.0 dp 9.  It?s easy to set the url and I don?t need to close prior browser instances. I can handle messages like  browserNavigateBegin  and  browserDocumentLoadComplete.  I can copy content from the browser and paste it elsewhere. 

However, one challenge that I?ve been unable to solve is to navigate to a new url if the link opens in a new tab or a new window. The messages browserDocumentLoadFailed and browserNavigateFailed do not seem to be sent. Any suggestions on how I can open these links in the browser widget?  

I?ve thought that perhaps I could open the link in the user's default browser outside of Livecode using launch url, if I could handle the browserNavigateFailed message but that message does not seem to be sent.  Perhaps this is a bug and I need to file a bug report.  

I?ve written to the forums but no response.  Perhaps someone here on the use-list has some advice.

Thanks,

Jim L.  



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 14:47:09 2015
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 15:47:09 -0400
Subject: CWE-20 - Improper Input Validation
Message-ID: <CAN3QPOxDUNLjbk+0vffJTu0s6pEVk4=gGbXwmL5W0a9sg+a-Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I found an article with a new example of CWE-20:
Improper Input Validation
https://cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/20.html

Check this link for your offline archives:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/qantas-737-tailstrike-was-caused-by-ipad-data-entry-fail/

Brings this story, to my memory:
http://www.wired.com/2010/11/1110mars-climate-observer-report/

Alejandro


From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Nov 17 17:55:34 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:55:34 -0800
Subject: JSON library
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN_4hv3xkf_rM4gjExW65dHEDH71qsTpdMd0JMxBeqxAg@mail.gmail.com>

A stack that works fine in the IDE does not work when I make a standalone
from it.  In particular, clicking on a scrolling list doesn't have the
desired effect.  I think it may be because I'm using the new JSONImport
function in my selectionChanged handler.  It's part of the JSON library and
perhaps the JSON library is not being included in the standalone.

I used the default setting to search for inclusions initially.  When I try
to include specific libraries, the JSON library is not listed as one of the
options.

The above is all pure guesswork of course but should the JSON library be
listed as an inclusion option?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Nov 17 21:13:49 2015
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:13:49 -0700
Subject: Special Paste
Message-ID: <1901D8B9-2D10-49DE-A955-11B70EE1AFA8@mac.com>

Peter,

Does this script work with LC 6.1.3?

Sent from my iPad



From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Nov 17 21:15:38 2015
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:15:38 -0700
Subject: Special Paste
Message-ID: <28F0AB83-5737-4843-8087-9925B9F7C33C@mac.com>

 But I am using LC 6.1.3. 

Sent from my iPad



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Nov 18 03:08:07 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:08:07 +0000
Subject: ios custom URL scheme
In-Reply-To: <D26CC174.1AEA2%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <DUB114-W3390F70D3F5B1C186B1937ED110@phx.gbl>,
	<D26CC174.1AEA2%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W113A7763ABAEC06DB8DDE9BED1C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Terry...

Thank you for your reply...

The custom URL scheme works fine... though getting it to work was a little confusing as I started of using something like myscheme://, when the text message arrived on the phone the 'double slashes' were not part of the clickable link... After reading other peoples experiences with this, the solution is just to give the customURL a parameter so that the slashes become part of the link... as in myscheme://open ... then everything is good... :-)

An aside to Jacque Landman-gay... Sorry, looks like your 'fears' have been realised... as it works like a charm...:-(


> From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: ios custom URL scheme
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 23:54:31 +0000
> 
> Hi John - these are a couple of things I?ve used them for?
> 
> 1. Adding them to timetable events that students can sync to their
> calendars. Clicking the urls opens a custom app that provides them with
> access to all the learning resources associated with the event.
> 
> 2. Installing configuration profiles (list of students, assessors,
> questions etc) on an iPad-based assessment app - the custom url contains
> the path to an encrypted dropbox file containing the profile data
> 
> The text message thing should work just fine.
> 
> Terry...
> 
> On 14/11/2015 9:27 am, "use-livecode on behalf of John Dixon"
> <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> >I have been thinking about the custom URL scheme... and wonder what it is
> >useful for ?
> >Has anyone employed a custom URL in an app and would you like to tell
> >what you used it to do ?
> >
> >Would it be possible to send a text message to a phone that contains a
> >custom URL that could be used to launch an app on the device ?
> > 		 	   		  
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From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Wed Nov 18 03:46:47 2015
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:46:47 +0000
Subject: JSON library
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN_4hv3xkf_rM4gjExW65dHEDH71qsTpdMd0JMxBeqxAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eN_4hv3xkf_rM4gjExW65dHEDH71qsTpdMd0JMxBeqxAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1jVe8nXYR7M+aFYwSg9oseZHeWrsa=EDUUtNV2EZ1XfSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
The JSON library is an extension and so you need to include it manually (at
least at the moment) - you'll need to select com.livecode.library.json in
the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:55 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> A stack that works fine in the IDE does not work when I make a standalone
> from it.  In particular, clicking on a scrolling list doesn't have the
> desired effect.  I think it may be because I'm using the new JSONImport
> function in my selectionChanged handler.  It's part of the JSON library and
> perhaps the JSON library is not being included in the standalone.
>
> I used the default setting to search for inclusions initially.  When I try
> to include specific libraries, the JSON library is not listed as one of the
> options.
>
> The above is all pure guesswork of course but should the JSON library be
> listed as an inclusion option?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From gmcrev at tpg.com.au  Wed Nov 18 05:08:59 2015
From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 02:08:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2.livecode
In-Reply-To: <1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1447059820690-4698625.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1447841339294-4698851.post@n4.nabble.com>

I have uploaded version 1.1 to http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/.
This update has 2 cards that can be used to upload files to dropbox and
download files from dropbox.




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From lyn.teyla at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 06:02:49 2015
From: lyn.teyla at gmail.com (Lyn Teyla)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:02:49 +0100
Subject: JSON library
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1jVe8nXYR7M+aFYwSg9oseZHeWrsa=EDUUtNV2EZ1XfSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eN_4hv3xkf_rM4gjExW65dHEDH71qsTpdMd0JMxBeqxAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jVe8nXYR7M+aFYwSg9oseZHeWrsa=EDUUtNV2EZ1XfSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDA2979F-4FEF-4407-A2D6-D3E622A08F32@gmail.com>

Ali Lloyd wrote:

> The JSON library is an extension and so you need to include it manually (at
> least at the moment) - you'll need to select com.livecode.library.json in
> the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings.


On a somewhat related note, how does one utilize this JSON library (and other libraries implemented as extensions) on LiveCode Server?

Lyn





From peter.brett at livecode.com  Wed Nov 18 06:38:43 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:38:43 +0000
Subject: JSON library
In-Reply-To: <DDA2979F-4FEF-4407-A2D6-D3E622A08F32@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eN_4hv3xkf_rM4gjExW65dHEDH71qsTpdMd0JMxBeqxAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jVe8nXYR7M+aFYwSg9oseZHeWrsa=EDUUtNV2EZ1XfSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDA2979F-4FEF-4407-A2D6-D3E622A08F32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564C6343.3060603@livecode.com>



On 18/11/2015 11:02, Lyn Teyla wrote:
> Ali Lloyd wrote:
>
>> The JSON library is an extension and so you need to include it manually (at
>> least at the moment) - you'll need to select com.livecode.library.json in
>> the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings.
>
>
> On a somewhat related note, how does one utilize this JSON library (and other libraries implemented as extensions) on LiveCode Server?
>

Currently, you will need to use `load extension` to load the appropriate 
`.lcm` file(s).

                                      Peter

-- 
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LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 07:43:16 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:43:16 -0500
Subject: Special Paste
In-Reply-To: <1901D8B9-2D10-49DE-A955-11B70EE1AFA8@mac.com>
References: <1901D8B9-2D10-49DE-A955-11B70EE1AFA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8664083F-B107-4858-B7C6-F5B67C209892@gmail.com>

I don't know, does it? I'm a relative troglodyte, as I work in 5.5 mostly, but I don't see why it wouldn't work in later versions. With the newer additions to the language there are probably other ways to accomplish the task.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Nov 17, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> Does this script work with LC 6.1.3?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 08:26:21 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:26:21 -0500
Subject: Special Paste
In-Reply-To: <8664083F-B107-4858-B7C6-F5B67C209892@gmail.com>
References: <1901D8B9-2D10-49DE-A955-11B70EE1AFA8@mac.com>
	<8664083F-B107-4858-B7C6-F5B67C209892@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoFLNrf6iEvswZYSn+v6-AT20FUVRD8YFOQLo86HUi0sQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using 6.7.3, so the fundamental component works:

put clipboardData["text"] into the selectedchunk

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know, does it? I'm a relative troglodyte, as I work in 5.5 mostly,
> but I don't see why it wouldn't work in later versions. With the newer
> additions to the language there are probably other ways to accomplish the
> task.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > Does this script work with LC 6.1.3?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov 18 12:33:43 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:33:43 -0800
Subject: JSON library
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1jVe8nXYR7M+aFYwSg9oseZHeWrsa=EDUUtNV2EZ1XfSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eN_4hv3xkf_rM4gjExW65dHEDH71qsTpdMd0JMxBeqxAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jVe8nXYR7M+aFYwSg9oseZHeWrsa=EDUUtNV2EZ1XfSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMpC3QA-gE4e8LPr7S0Ft36eReoVQ3MRwBS5BXMOduRFA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ali, that fixed it.  I'ma little surprised I didn't get a runtime
error in the standalone though - shouldn't it have choked on the jsonImport
command?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> The JSON library is an extension and so you need to include it manually (at
> least at the moment) - you'll need to select com.livecode.library.json in
> the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:55 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > A stack that works fine in the IDE does not work when I make a standalone
> > from it.  In particular, clicking on a scrolling list doesn't have the
> > desired effect.  I think it may be because I'm using the new JSONImport
> > function in my selectionChanged handler.  It's part of the JSON library
> and
> > perhaps the JSON library is not being included in the standalone.
> >
> > I used the default setting to search for inclusions initially.  When I
> try
> > to include specific libraries, the JSON library is not listed as one of
> the
> > options.
> >
> > The above is all pure guesswork of course but should the JSON library be
> > listed as an inclusion option?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov 18 12:43:08 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:43:08 -0800
Subject: LC8 Standalone field sizes.
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm seeing a slight difference in the width of fields required to hold a
given amount of text in the LC8 IDE and LC8 standalone.

Using one field as an example, I displayed the effective font, size, and
formatted width in the IDE and in the standalone.  The font/size were
Helvetica Neue/14 in both cases but the formatted width is 128 in the IDE
and 138 in the standalone so the text is chopped off in the standalone.

Anyone else seeing this?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Nov 18 14:31:00 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:31:00 -0500
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>

Server load is high and emails are getting delayed. I reported it to David.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Nov 18 14:33:21 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:33:21 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
Message-ID: <564CD281.5010407@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/18/2015 11:31 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Server load is high and emails are getting delayed. I reported it to David.

Apparently Volkswagen isn't the only one with diesel problems.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Nov 18 14:48:31 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:48:31 -0500
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <564CD281.5010407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
	<564CD281.5010407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <00c501d1223a$1a816430$4f842c90$@net>

Very Funny!!

But if it followed VW's lead there should be better performance with less
power use but more heat output.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mark Wieder
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:33 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: diesel again

On 11/18/2015 11:31 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Server load is high and emails are getting delayed. I reported it to
David.

Apparently Volkswagen isn't the only one with diesel problems.

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  ahsoftware at gmail.com

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Nov 18 15:15:36 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:15:36 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <00c501d1223a$1a816430$4f842c90$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net> <564CD281.5010407@ahsoftware.net>
	<00c501d1223a$1a816430$4f842c90$@net>
Message-ID: <564CDC68.5040505@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/18/2015 11:48 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Very Funny!!
>
> But if it followed VW's lead there should be better performance with less
> power use but more heat output.

...and it would be emitting more emails than it let on about and lying 
about its status...

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bogdanoff at me.com  Wed Nov 18 15:29:20 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:29:20 -0800
Subject: LC8 Standalone field sizes.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EA3F4CD-AD4D-4CAD-B3BE-D8A1404E2B89@me.com>

I saw that when moving my application from LC 6 to LC 7, Helvetica was displaying wider.

My bug report on the issue had this reply:

"Unfortunately when we moved to Cocoa we were forced to move to use CoreText rather than the (now ancient) QuickDraw APIs for drawing text. The metrics of certain fonts when rendered with CoreText are different from that of QuickDraw and as a result, you will see a difference when jumping from < 6.7 to >= 6.7.?

But I have no knowledge why you get varied results within LC 8.

Peter


On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:43 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I'm seeing a slight difference in the width of fields required to hold a
> given amount of text in the LC8 IDE and LC8 standalone.
> 
> Using one field as an example, I displayed the effective font, size, and
> formatted width in the IDE and in the standalone.  The font/size were
> Helvetica Neue/14 in both cases but the formatted width is 128 in the IDE
> and 138 in the standalone so the text is chopped off in the standalone.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Nov 18 15:44:23 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:44:23 -0800
Subject: LC8 Standalone field sizes.
In-Reply-To: <9EA3F4CD-AD4D-4CAD-B3BE-D8A1404E2B89@me.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EA3F4CD-AD4D-4CAD-B3BE-D8A1404E2B89@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP3yyBHmp69b5M2Bs6RoZ3a6_kkNgVyFyKuoHcsCZsyKA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter, I remember that happening too.  This is a little different
since it involves different formattedwidth in the same version of LC
depending on whether the stack is run in the IDE or in a standalone.  I
guess I should file a bug report.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:

> I saw that when moving my application from LC 6 to LC 7, Helvetica was
> displaying wider.
>
> My bug report on the issue had this reply:
>
> "Unfortunately when we moved to Cocoa we were forced to move to use
> CoreText rather than the (now ancient) QuickDraw APIs for drawing text. The
> metrics of certain fonts when rendered with CoreText are different from
> that of QuickDraw and as a result, you will see a difference when jumping
> from < 6.7 to >= 6.7.?
>
> But I have no knowledge why you get varied results within LC 8.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:43 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm seeing a slight difference in the width of fields required to hold a
> > given amount of text in the LC8 IDE and LC8 standalone.
> >
> > Using one field as an example, I displayed the effective font, size, and
> > formatted width in the IDE and in the standalone.  The font/size were
> > Helvetica Neue/14 in both cases but the formatted width is 128 in the IDE
> > and 138 in the standalone so the text is chopped off in the standalone.
> >
> > Anyone else seeing this?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Nov 18 21:34:00 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:34:00 -0500
Subject: Mobile Orientation
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP3yyBHmp69b5M2Bs6RoZ3a6_kkNgVyFyKuoHcsCZsyKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>	<9EA3F4CD-AD4D-4CAD-B3BE-D8A1404E2B89@me.com>
	<CAGDT7eP3yyBHmp69b5M2Bs6RoZ3a6_kkNgVyFyKuoHcsCZsyKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01d12272$c006eaf0$4014c0d0$@net>

If a mobile device is in portrait the do mobileSetAllowedOrientations "landscape left,landscape right" then
iOS phone will force screen rotation to landscape.
iOS iPad and Android do not.
Does any know if this is a bug or a limitation on iPads and Androids?

FYI: Even if the user has his iPhone locked into portrait a mobileSetAllowedOrientations "landscape left,landscape right" will force the iPhone into landscape. Then even a mobileSetAllowedOrientations "portrait,landscape right,portrait upside down,landscape left" will not turn the screen and the device is stuck in landscape. You have to do a mobileSetAllowedOrientations "portrait,portrait upside down" FIRST to rotate the screen back to portrait.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Nov 18 21:41:06 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:41:06 -0500
Subject: Mobile Resizestack handler possible bug
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP3yyBHmp69b5M2Bs6RoZ3a6_kkNgVyFyKuoHcsCZsyKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>	<9EA3F4CD-AD4D-4CAD-B3BE-D8A1404E2B89@me.com>
	<CAGDT7eP3yyBHmp69b5M2Bs6RoZ3a6_kkNgVyFyKuoHcsCZsyKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01d12273$bdcd8040$396880c0$@net>

ONLY on iOS if you do a:

put URL ("https://xxxxxx.on-rev.com/service/SomeScript.lc?function=yyyy) into Str2

while in a resize stack handler the app locks up. I think this is a bug and will put together a QCC report unless anyone knows if this is a limitation of iOS.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From david at viral.academy  Wed Nov 18 21:52:34 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 02:52:34 +0000
Subject: Mobile Resizestack handler possible bug
In-Reply-To: <00ed01d12273$bdcd8040$396880c0$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EA3F4CD-AD4D-4CAD-B3BE-D8A1404E2B89@me.com>
	<CAGDT7eP3yyBHmp69b5M2Bs6RoZ3a6_kkNgVyFyKuoHcsCZsyKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ed01d12273$bdcd8040$396880c0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPZf7LKg5XcgDaqkUHox8csp88Cag+=1sNezhFt2drMrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Resize handlers are called repeatedly with every fraction of a move - if
you out slow code inside them (like fetching a blocking url) then it jams
up.

On Thursday, 19 November 2015, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
wrote:

> ONLY on iOS if you do a:
>
> put URL ("https://xxxxxx.on-rev.com/service/SomeScript.lc?function=yyyy)
> into Str2
>
> while in a resize stack handler the app locks up. I think this is a bug
> and will put together a QCC report unless anyone knows if this is a
> limitation of iOS.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net <javascript:;>
>
>
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From heather at livecode.com  Thu Nov 19 07:23:03 2015
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:23:03 +0000
Subject: Feature Exchange - Find and Replace
Message-ID: <323CC5D9-7690-4E77-8DD3-18AC1C797247@livecode.com>

Dear list folks,

I'm pleased to inform you that our next Feature Exchange has been posted. We're looking to fund an improvement to the Find and Replace feature in LiveCode. This would result in preserving formatting in replaced strings. Learn more about it here:

http://livecode.com/project/find-replace/ <http://livecode.com/project/find-replace/>

Lets get behind this and make Find and Replace in LiveCode a happier experience!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com





From mark at livecode.com  Thu Nov 19 07:31:00 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:31:00 +0100
Subject: LC8 Standalone field sizes.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7ed47746c9e2fa6400d7707a485b253@livecode.com>

Hi Peter,

On 2015-11-18 18:43, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I'm seeing a slight difference in the width of fields required to hold 
> a
> given amount of text in the LC8 IDE and LC8 standalone.

Which platform are you seeing this on?

> Using one field as an example, I displayed the effective font, size, 
> and
> formatted width in the IDE and in the standalone.  The font/size were
> Helvetica Neue/14 in both cases but the formatted width is 128 in the 
> IDE
> and 138 in the standalone so the text is chopped off in the standalone.

This is very odd. Could you file a bug report with a recipe?

Thanks in advance,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From rman at free.fr  Thu Nov 19 08:33:51 2015
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:33:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Feature Exchange - Find and Replace
In-Reply-To: <323CC5D9-7690-4E77-8DD3-18AC1C797247@livecode.com>
References: <323CC5D9-7690-4E77-8DD3-18AC1C797247@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1447940031817-4698869.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi! I'me a bit puzzled..  i've been waiting about 10 years for a comfortable
audio framework within runrev/livecode that would allow all of us to use
embed compressed audio within live code stacks and exchange kind of "audio
cards" easily over the internet. Well, damn it... !

So.. an addition to find & replace, looks a bit.. out of place in my view. 
QUESTION :: ==> WOuld it be SO VERY DIFFICULT for live code now to just have
the possibility of storing any kind of really compressed audio format???
Just that!! no frills.. just that! 

(to be precise, i did found a [complicated]  turnaround which involved
recording in wave, than transcoding using lame as a separate program to be
installed (and that made it just impracticable for a commercial product with
the potential problems that occurred quickly with only 3 testers!!) and then
converting to quicktime movie... and eventually storing into a cProp. But
man... but man.. )

Sorry for that not so positive view.. and I know the mothership team did,
does and will do climb mountains.. but.. such a little tiny hill bump would
make a lot of us happy I think!

With a smile, Robert
 



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From simon at asato-media.com  Thu Nov 19 10:53:44 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:53:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
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mwieder wrote
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.

As of 12 hours ago it was still doing this.
Might still be doing it today.

/Poor Diesel is sick
People think I'm just insane
They got the email/

Simon



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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Nov 19 11:35:12 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:35:12 -0500
Subject: wtf diesel?
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	<1447948424833-4698870.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <013601d122e8$43a09710$cae1c530$@net>

The load on diesel went from high to low around 18:00 EST. It's still low.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


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Of Simon
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:54 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: wtf diesel?

mwieder wrote
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.

As of 12 hours ago it was still doing this.
Might still be doing it today.

/Poor Diesel is sick
People think I'm just insane
They got the email/

Simon



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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Nov 19 11:35:12 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:35:12 -0500
Subject: wtf diesel?
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	<1447948424833-4698870.post@n4.nabble.com>
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The load on diesel went from high to low around 18:00 EST. It's still low.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


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Of Simon
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:54 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: wtf diesel?

mwieder wrote
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.

As of 12 hours ago it was still doing this.
Might still be doing it today.

/Poor Diesel is sick
People think I'm just insane
They got the email/

Simon



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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Nov 19 12:59:09 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:59:09 -0800
Subject: LC8 Standalone field sizes.
In-Reply-To: <c7ed47746c9e2fa6400d7707a485b253@livecode.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7ed47746c9e2fa6400d7707a485b253@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNu6OE6zLRGyyGBfyO_FtmCRBO8Z4KwO79Hp6F5+xrYcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,
This is on OSX 10.10.  Just filed QCC report 16455 with sample stack and
standalone.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> On 2015-11-18 18:43, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> I'm seeing a slight difference in the width of fields required to hold a
>> given amount of text in the LC8 IDE and LC8 standalone.
>>
>
> Which platform are you seeing this on?
>
> Using one field as an example, I displayed the effective font, size, and
>> formatted width in the IDE and in the standalone.  The font/size were
>> Helvetica Neue/14 in both cases but the formatted width is 128 in the IDE
>> and 138 in the standalone so the text is chopped off in the standalone.
>>
>
> This is very odd. Could you file a bug report with a recipe?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mark.
>
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>
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From johnpatten at me.com  Thu Nov 19 15:12:18 2015
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:12:18 -0800
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
Message-ID: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>

Hi All,

I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:

jdoe, 123456
ggarcia, 121212
ggarcia, 131313

I?m trying identify the duplicates, list the username and their unique 6 digit id.

I have been using the following code that Bernd shared while ago: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>

?but it only works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of accounts, naturally.  

I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are exact duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.

ggarcia, 121212
ggarcia, 131313

Thanks in advance for any ideas!

John Patten
SUSD





From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Nov 19 15:18:34 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:18:34 -0800
Subject: Feature Exchange - Find and Replace
In-Reply-To: <1447940031817-4698869.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <323CC5D9-7690-4E77-8DD3-18AC1C797247@livecode.com>
	<1447940031817-4698869.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <70809259-C1CD-4E88-809E-BCBC450E36E2@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I guess I am, perhaps like others, trying to wrap my head around what expectations are reasonable for use financed vs mother ship financed improvements to livecode. In the past, I have used commercial, purchased software, like Director, Supercard, Word, etc, where the model is that some profit-making entity creates a software package and sells it, then upgrades it as time and technology changes. There is a charge for each updated version and that supports the software development entity. I mention this only because that is my experience, mostly, in the software world. My only open source experience is with the software on my vps server at LiquidWeb, which has lots of open source software on it, but I only pay LiquidWeb, not (directly at least) for the software.

Now we have ?open source? and a yearly license fee, plus user financed updates for specific features, not to mention added license fees for specific new components, like HTML5. I understand that the mothership needs to survive and to be sustainable and it takes resources to keep the software current. I worry that the special license deals given to the kickstarter contributors (I am one of them) has created a situation where the mothership has borrowed from the future and the yearly licensing fees have already been spent, thus the need for more kickstarter type funding to implement features that, in the normal world, would be classified as general updates to keep the tools alive and current. We have updates to 64 bit for OSX, which if not done, would eventually render the application unusable in OSX, and copy paste improvements that seem like basic features. 

So, I am somewhat scratching my head about this. Obviously if the mothership goes under, we all lose, big time, and I appreciate that. Also, if the resources at the mothership simply don?t exist for certain updates, then ?.. they won?t get done without added funding from the users. I recently read a blog by an open source company that gave away so much of their product to open source, that they didn?t have anything to sell.

So, I?m just thinking out loud here and possibly expressing sentiment others might share.

Best,
Bill


> On Nov 19, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> Hi! I'me a bit puzzled..  i've been waiting about 10 years for a comfortable
> audio framework within runrev/livecode that would allow all of us to use
> embed compressed audio within live code stacks and exchange kind of "audio
> cards" easily over the internet. Well, damn it... !
> 
> So.. an addition to find & replace, looks a bit.. out of place in my view. 
> QUESTION :: ==> WOuld it be SO VERY DIFFICULT for live code now to just have
> the possibility of storing any kind of really compressed audio format???
> Just that!! no frills.. just that! 
> 
> (to be precise, i did found a [complicated]  turnaround which involved
> recording in wave, than transcoding using lame as a separate program to be
> installed (and that made it just impracticable for a commercial product with
> the potential problems that occurred quickly with only 3 testers!!) and then
> converting to quicktime movie... and eventually storing into a cProp. But
> man... but man.. )
> 
> Sorry for that not so positive view.. and I know the mothership team did,
> does and will do climb mountains.. but.. such a little tiny hill bump would
> make a lot of us happy I think!
> 
> With a smile, Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 15:27:14 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:27:14 -0500
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
Message-ID: <151216dfaed-5d3b-5365@webprd-a51.mail.aol.com>

Hi.


I did not read Bernd's response. Are the records on separate lines?


jdoe, 123456
ggarcia, 121212
ggarcia, 131313


If they are not. make then so. And then, why not sort the list, and in a "repeat with..."  loop check each line with the line following. If they match, extract the two indexes. This should take only six lines of code.


Craig Newman



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From: JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups

Hi All,I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:jdoe, 123456ggarcia, 121212ggarcia, 131313I?m trying identify the duplicates, list the username and their unique 6 digit id.I have been using the following code that Bernd shared while ago: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>?but it only works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of accounts, naturally.  I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are exact duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.ggarcia, 121212ggarcia, 131313Thanks in advance for any ideas!John PattenSUSD_______________________________________________use-livecode mailing listuse-livecode at lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From monte at appisle.net  Thu Nov 19 15:37:27 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 07:37:27 +1100
Subject: Feature Exchange - Find and Replace
In-Reply-To: <70809259-C1CD-4E88-809E-BCBC450E36E2@earthednet.org>
References: <323CC5D9-7690-4E77-8DD3-18AC1C797247@livecode.com>
	<1447940031817-4698869.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<70809259-C1CD-4E88-809E-BCBC450E36E2@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <8CFF0CDF-5748-4BDE-8FE7-5D51AFE1ACEE@appisle.net>

Anything that isn't in the published roadmap and someone goes to the company and offers to part fund would be up for grabs.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Nov 2015, at 7:18 am, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> I guess I am, perhaps like others, trying to wrap my head around what expectations are reasonable for use financed vs mother ship financed improvements to livecode



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 15:38:51 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:38:51 -0700
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqcwtqjdCQh-0Y43UJG-paX3u1U5M7Xct+aobrNzDGUrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I like arrays for this sort of thing.  I'm sure theres a more efficient way
to do it but here is code that might work ok.

on mouseUp
   put field 1 into tData -- the list
   repeat for each line tLine in tData
      if tDataArray[item 1 of tLine] is empty then -- build the array keyed
by username
         put item 2 of tLine into tDataArray[item 1 of tLine]
      else
         put comma & item 2 of tLine after tDataArray[item 1 of tLine] --
builds a list of userids for that username
      end if
   end repeat
   put the keys of tDataArray into tKeys
   repeat for each line tLine in tKeys
      if the number of items in tDataArray[tLine] > 1 then -- if theres
more than one userid its a dupe
         put tLine & comma & tDataArray[tLine] & cr after tDupes -- build
the output list
      end if
   end repeat
   delete the last char of tDupes
   put tDupes into field 2
end mouseUp



On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:12 PM, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are first
> initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:
>
> jdoe, 123456
> ggarcia, 121212
> ggarcia, 131313
>
> I?m trying identify the duplicates, list the username and their unique 6
> digit id.
>
> I have been using the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>
>
> ?but it only works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of
> accounts, naturally.
>
> I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are exact
> duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.
>
> ggarcia, 121212
> ggarcia, 131313
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>
> John Patten
> SUSD
>
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 15:39:48 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:39:48 -0700
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqcwtqjdCQh-0Y43UJG-paX3u1U5M7Xct+aobrNzDGUrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
	<CAG1cpSqcwtqjdCQh-0Y43UJG-paX3u1U5M7Xct+aobrNzDGUrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpydQaOGWCRc_B9VHXik6=whZQ9OCMgf9c2BkeJwmaKzA@mail.gmail.com>

Meant to put this in the last msg but oh well.

The output list ends up like this..

ijones,6,11
tbonner,32,38,45
qbonner,13,14
imojo,4,49
tmajor,5,20
umojo,12,29,48
qmojo,27,41
ugarcia,9,44
tjones,10,19
ygarcia,7,17
qminor,37,43
ebonner,39,50

The username dupes, and the Id's.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like arrays for this sort of thing.  I'm sure theres a more efficient
> way to do it but here is code that might work ok.
>
> on mouseUp
>    put field 1 into tData -- the list
>    repeat for each line tLine in tData
>       if tDataArray[item 1 of tLine] is empty then -- build the array
> keyed by username
>          put item 2 of tLine into tDataArray[item 1 of tLine]
>       else
>          put comma & item 2 of tLine after tDataArray[item 1 of tLine] --
> builds a list of userids for that username
>       end if
>    end repeat
>    put the keys of tDataArray into tKeys
>    repeat for each line tLine in tKeys
>       if the number of items in tDataArray[tLine] > 1 then -- if theres
> more than one userid its a dupe
>          put tLine & comma & tDataArray[tLine] & cr after tDupes -- build
> the output list
>       end if
>    end repeat
>    delete the last char of tDupes
>    put tDupes into field 2
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:12 PM, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are
>> first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:
>>
>> jdoe, 123456
>> ggarcia, 121212
>> ggarcia, 131313
>>
>> I?m trying identify the duplicates, list the username and their unique 6
>> digit id.
>>
>> I have been using the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>
>>
>> ?but it only works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of
>> accounts, naturally.
>>
>> I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are exact
>> duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
>> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.
>>
>> ggarcia, 121212
>> ggarcia, 131313
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>
>> John Patten
>> SUSD
>>
>>
>>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 15:42:31 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:42:31 -0700
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <151216dfaed-5d3b-5365@webprd-a51.mail.aol.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
	<151216dfaed-5d3b-5365@webprd-a51.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpwP01FvUa8qEauZxFoYC45j3Q5EkuyaNra-9GDaXE5nw@mail.gmail.com>

I thought about the sort and compare method, and it works well if theres
only 2 that match, more lines of code are needed if there can be multiple
dupes.  But the single time through sort method is probably faster than the
array method I posted even after tweaking it to allow for multiple dupes.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:27 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
>
> I did not read Bernd's response. Are the records on separate lines?
>
>
> jdoe, 123456
> ggarcia, 121212
> ggarcia, 131313
>
>
> If they are not. make then so. And then, why not sort the list, and in a
> "repeat with..."  loop check each line with the line following. If they
> match, extract the two indexes. This should take only six lines of code.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm
> Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
>
> Hi All,I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts
> are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the
> following:jdoe, 123456ggarcia, 121212ggarcia, 131313I?m trying identify the
> duplicates, list the username and their unique 6 digit id.I have been using
> the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>?but it only
> works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of accounts,
> naturally.  I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are
> exact duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.ggarcia,
> 121212ggarcia, 131313Thanks in advance for any ideas!John
> PattenSUSD_______________________________________________use-livecode
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Nov 19 15:44:04 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:44:04 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
Message-ID: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>

Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From johnpatten at me.com  Thu Nov 19 15:48:56 2015
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:48:56 -0800
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpwP01FvUa8qEauZxFoYC45j3Q5EkuyaNra-9GDaXE5nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
	<151216dfaed-5d3b-5365@webprd-a51.mail.aol.com>
	<CAG1cpSpwP01FvUa8qEauZxFoYC45j3Q5EkuyaNra-9GDaXE5nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7E54198-BA98-4D4C-A085-F9D86FE8D93E@me.com>

Thanks Mike and Craig,

My issues was figuring out how to identify the item (username) in my list when I create and check via the array. I wasn?t sure about what that would look like, i.e.  "if tDataArray[item 1 of tLine] is empty then??

With 8000 + user accounts, there is a very good chance that we could have multiple ?ggarcia? or ?msmith" account duplicates. Mike solution allows me to pick out the account by unique id and configure them appropriately.

Thanks Again!


> On Nov 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I thought about the sort and compare method, and it works well if theres
> only 2 that match, more lines of code are needed if there can be multiple
> dupes.  But the single time through sort method is probably faster than the
> array method I posted even after tweaking it to allow for multiple dupes.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:27 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> 
>> I did not read Bernd's response. Are the records on separate lines?
>> 
>> 
>> jdoe, 123456
>> ggarcia, 121212
>> ggarcia, 131313
>> 
>> 
>> If they are not. make then so. And then, why not sort the list, and in a
>> "repeat with..."  loop check each line with the line following. If they
>> match, extract the two indexes. This should take only six lines of code.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig Newman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm
>> Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
>> 
>> Hi All,I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts
>> are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the
>> following:jdoe, 123456ggarcia, 121212ggarcia, 131313I?m trying identify the
>> duplicates, list the username and their unique 6 digit id.I have been using
>> the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>?but it only
>> works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of accounts,
>> naturally.  I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are
>> exact duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
>> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.ggarcia,
>> 121212ggarcia, 131313Thanks in advance for any ideas!John
>> PattenSUSD_______________________________________________use-livecode
>> mailing listuse-livecode at lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to
>> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Nov 19 15:50:39 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:50:39 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
Message-ID: <564E361F.2040308@ahsoftware.net>

This looks like fun:

Sent:      Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:38:43 +0000
Delivered: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:38:38 +0100

Gotta wonder what emails do when they sit around for a day and a half. 
Hope they brought something to read.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Nov 19 15:50:42 2015
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:50:42 -0500
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net>
	<564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_jm3uA61hOxeAvKG739CyoxmOZcEAvMGghHhk8Wx2wvA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.
>

Maybe his email account is on diesel too... :-)

-- 
Trevor DeVore


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Nov 19 16:31:48 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:31:48 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_jm3uA61hOxeAvKG739CyoxmOZcEAvMGghHhk8Wx2wvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNUJJ+_w8dig+9Q+XQZ=XAXk1DvsiGtthFhEz38C3OGTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00bb01d12237$a811f5b0$f835e110$@net> <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAHg3tG_jm3uA61hOxeAvKG739CyoxmOZcEAvMGghHhk8Wx2wvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564E3FC4.8080009@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/19/2015 12:50 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
>> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.
>>
>
> Maybe his email account is on diesel too... :-)
>

Ha! Didn't think of that.
I would hope, though, that the team uses something more robust than on-rev.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Nov 19 16:31:51 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:31:51 -0800
Subject: Mobile Resizestack handler possible bug
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPZf7LKg5XcgDaqkUHox8csp88Cag+=1sNezhFt2drMrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPZf7LKg5XcgDaqkUHox8csp88Cag+=1sNezhFt2drMrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564E3FC7.1010605@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> Resize handlers are called repeatedly with every fraction of a move - if
> you out slow code inside them (like fetching a blocking url) then it jams
> up.

While I would also put net access calls in something other than a 
resizeStack message, on a mobile device isn't resizeStack only called 
once on startup and only once again whenever the orientation is changed?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Nov 19 16:38:43 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:38:43 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.

Was that sent to support@, or to David personally?

Heather's tried to remind us gently here a few times that we should 
avoid writing to specific individual accounts for support matters 
because roles shift, people take vacations, etc., but support@ queues 
are shared by multiple staff to cover such occurrences.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From simon at asato-media.com  Thu Nov 19 16:26:28 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:26:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>

Just received an email sent 18 hours ago.

Simon



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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Nov 19 16:45:46 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:45:46 -0500
Subject: Mobile Resizestack handler possible bug
In-Reply-To: <564E3FC7.1010605@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioPZf7LKg5XcgDaqkUHox8csp88Cag+=1sNezhFt2drMrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<564E3FC7.1010605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <015601d12313$a6411950$f2c34bf0$@net>

True, It is only called once whenever the orientation is changed. But I call
the same routine to place the controls on the card from both the preopencard
message and the resizestack message. Network connectivity determines the
visible buttons on the card. That is why it's in there. I moved the
connectivity test into the preopencard handler and set a custom property.
Problem solved, but I will make a test stack for a QCC report because it
work on Android.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:32 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Mobile Resizestack handler possible bug

David Bovill wrote:
> Resize handlers are called repeatedly with every fraction of a move - 
> if you out slow code inside them (like fetching a blocking url) then 
> it jams up.

While I would also put net access calls in something other than a
resizeStack message, on a mobile device isn't resizeStack only called once
on startup and only once again whenever the orientation is changed?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Nov 19 16:51:50 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:51:50 -0800
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com>
References: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
	<564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <564E4476.6080100@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/19/2015 01:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.
>
> Was that sent to support@, or to David personally?
>
> Heather's tried to remind us gently here a few times that we should
> avoid writing to specific individual accounts for support matters
> because roles shift, people take vacations, etc., but support@ queues
> are shared by multiple staff to cover such occurrences.
>

Well, that email thread was to support. But you're right, maybe I should 
try contacting David directly.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 17:03:36 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:03:36 -0500
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpwP01FvUa8qEauZxFoYC45j3Q5EkuyaNra-9GDaXE5nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15121c632ff-5d3b-594f@webprd-a51.mail.aol.com>

Ah, three or more dups.


Of course, the code can test for successive dups, and parse accordingly. But Bernd's array cuts through all that.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups

I thought about the sort and compare method, and it works well if theresonly 2 that match, more lines of code are needed if there can be multipledupes.  But the single time through sort method is probably faster than thearray method I posted even after tweaking it to allow for multiple dupes.On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:27 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:> Hi.>>> I did not read Bernd's response. Are the records on separate lines?>>> jdoe, 123456> ggarcia, 121212> ggarcia, 131313>>> If they are not. make then so. And then, why not sort the list, and in a> "repeat with..."  loop check each line with the line following. If they> match, extract the two indexes. This should take only six lines of code.>>> Craig Newman>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm> Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups>> Hi All,I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts> are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the> following:jdoe, 123456ggarcia, 121212ggarcia, 131313I?m trying identify the> duplicates, list the username and their unique 6 digit id.I have been using> the following code that Bernd shared while ago:> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>?but it only> works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of accounts,> naturally.  I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are> exact duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.ggarcia,> 121212ggarcia, 131313Thanks in advance for any ideas!John> PattenSUSD_______________________________________________use-livecode> mailing listuse-livecode at lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> _______________________________________________> use-livecode mailing list> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your> subscription preferences:> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>_______________________________________________use-livecode mailing listuse-livecode at lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Nov 19 19:29:37 2015
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:29:37 -0800
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <E7E54198-BA98-4D4C-A085-F9D86FE8D93E@me.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
	<151216dfaed-5d3b-5365@webprd-a51.mail.aol.com>
	<CAG1cpSpwP01FvUa8qEauZxFoYC45j3Q5EkuyaNra-9GDaXE5nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E54198-BA98-4D4C-A085-F9D86FE8D93E@me.com>
Message-ID: <564E6971.4010008@pdslabs.net>

Hi John,

Here is yet another approach:

-- this button script assumes the list is in fld "list"
-- a somewhat brute force approach - focus is on results, not efficiency

on mouseUp

     -- organize all records into array
     put fld "list" into tUserList
     repeat for each line tLine in tUserList
         put item 2 of tLine & CR after tResultsA[item 1 of tLine]
     end repeat

     -- eliminate all records except dupes
     repeat for each key tKey in tResultsA
         if the number of lines in tResultsA[tKey] > 1 then -- dupes here
             repeat for each line tLine in tResultsA[tKey]
                 put tKey & tab & tLine & CR after tDupeList
             end repeat
             put CR after tDupeList
         end if
     end repeat

     put tDupeList
end mouseUp

Best -
Phil Davis



On 11/19/15 12:48 PM, JOHN PATTEN wrote:
> Thanks Mike and Craig,
>
> My issues was figuring out how to identify the item (username) in my list when I create and check via the array. I wasn?t sure about what that would look like, i.e.  "if tDataArray[item 1 of tLine] is empty then??
>
> With 8000 + user accounts, there is a very good chance that we could have multiple ?ggarcia? or ?msmith" account duplicates. Mike solution allows me to pick out the account by unique id and configure them appropriately.
>
> Thanks Again!
>
>
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thought about the sort and compare method, and it works well if theres
>> only 2 that match, more lines of code are needed if there can be multiple
>> dupes.  But the single time through sort method is probably faster than the
>> array method I posted even after tweaking it to allow for multiple dupes.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:27 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>>
>>> I did not read Bernd's response. Are the records on separate lines?
>>>
>>>
>>> jdoe, 123456
>>> ggarcia, 121212
>>> ggarcia, 131313
>>>
>>>
>>> If they are not. make then so. And then, why not sort the list, and in a
>>> "repeat with..."  loop check each line with the line following. If they
>>> match, extract the two indexes. This should take only six lines of code.
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig Newman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm
>>> Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
>>>
>>> Hi All,I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts
>>> are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the
>>> following:jdoe, 123456ggarcia, 121212ggarcia, 131313I?m trying identify the
>>> duplicates, list the username and their unique 6 digit id.I have been using
>>> the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>?but it only
>>> works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of accounts,
>>> naturally.  I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are
>>> exact duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
>>> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.ggarcia,
>>> 121212ggarcia, 131313Thanks in advance for any ideas!John
>>> PattenSUSD_______________________________________________use-livecode
>>> mailing listuse-livecode at lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to
>>> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Nov 19 19:42:40 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:42:40 -0800
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMW7jmxCxVCgpQDFV7Ci39A=QfYmh+sk_Wg9WQ2bPNC2g@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen Bernd's code but here's one way.

repeat for each line rLine in tUserlist
   put item 2 of rLine & comma after tArray[item 1 of rLine]
end repeat

repeat for each line rKey in the keys of tArray
   if the number of items in tArray[rKey]>1 then
      put tArray[rKey] & return after tDupList
   end if
end repeat

Might have to upshift the array keys if case is a factor.


Pete
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:12 PM, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are first
> initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:
>
> jdoe, 123456
> ggarcia, 121212
> ggarcia, 131313
>
> I?m trying identify the duplicates, list the username and their unique 6
> digit id.
>
> I have been using the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>
>
> ?but it only works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of
> accounts, naturally.
>
> I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are exact
> duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.
>
> ggarcia, 121212
> ggarcia, 131313
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>
> John Patten
> SUSD
>
>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Nov 19 20:05:57 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:05:57 -0800
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMW7jmxCxVCgpQDFV7Ci39A=QfYmh+sk_Wg9WQ2bPNC2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
	<CAGDT7eMW7jmxCxVCgpQDFV7Ci39A=QfYmh+sk_Wg9WQ2bPNC2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP_iPOrtKriY8pRNUOgLfU+Oqc0wt6ZHS+MmrqmjE+OWg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, the put in the second repeat should be "put rKey,tArray[rKey] &
return after tDuplist

This gives you one line per duplicate username so if you want a separate
line for each dup, the second repeat becomes:

repeat for each line rKey in the keys of tArray
   if the number of items in tArray[rKey]>1 then
      repeat for each item rItem in tArray[rKey]
         put rKey,rItem & return after tDupList
      end repeat
   end if
end repeat

Pete
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I haven't seen Bernd's code but here's one way.
>
> repeat for each line rLine in tUserlist
>    put item 2 of rLine & comma after tArray[item 1 of rLine]
> end repeat
>
> repeat for each line rKey in the keys of tArray
>    if the number of items in tArray[rKey]>1 then
>       put tArray[rKey] & return after tDupList
>    end if
> end repeat
>
> Might have to upshift the array keys if case is a factor.
>
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:12 PM, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are
>> first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:
>>
>> jdoe, 123456
>> ggarcia, 121212
>> ggarcia, 131313
>>
>> I?m trying identify the duplicates, list the username and their unique 6
>> digit id.
>>
>> I have been using the following code that Bernd shared while ago:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787 <
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6226#p28787>
>>
>> ?but it only works if i leave off my unique 6 digit IDs from my list of
>> accounts, naturally.
>>
>> I would like to be able to identify the user accounts that are exact
>> duplicates but then differentiate them by their unique 6 digit ID. So
>> essentially, create a new list of just the duplicates and ids, i.e.
>>
>> ggarcia, 121212
>> ggarcia, 131313
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>
>> John Patten
>> SUSD
>>
>>
>>
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Thu Nov 19 20:36:53 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:36:53 -0800
Subject: Search and Replace in Script Editor: Cannot invoke "Replace All"
In-Reply-To: <560AA7F5.9040305@LinkIt.Com>
References: <F4C95770-9967-4149-9ED4-DD7034453259@hindu.org>
	<72CD0C0F-357B-4BF2-A908-431A0107F841@mail.com>
	<560AA7F5.9040305@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtRHpbqX9maacnwZtgzm+e-Lce51vpCMpQH8jXQ9eOjEFQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not seeing the dialog you mentioned but ran into this problem with
Replace and Replace All yesterday. Didn't this also used to work for all
the other "Look In" options? Btw, I'm using LC 6.7.5.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

> The options mentioned below work for me, but for some reason every time I
> choose "Current Tab" in the Look In pull-down, for example, I get a
> slightly annoying dialog window which displays my choice "Current Tab"
> which I have to dismiss.  I saw and agree with the post on etiquette
> yesterday but I believe this question would fall under this same subject
> matter.  Does anybody else experience this unnecessary dialog?
>
>
> On 9/29/15 2:12 AM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>
>> Expected behavior ?Replace All? button should be enabled after the find
>>> runs
>>>
>>> What happened: it remains dimmed
>>>
>>> Aloha, BR.
>>
>> "Change all" requires "Look in: Current Tab" or "Look in: All Tabs" for
>> me.
>>
>> Do those options work for you?
>>
>> ? Dick
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Nov 20 01:33:15 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 01:33:15 -0500
Subject: diesel again
In-Reply-To: <564E4476.6080100@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>	<564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com>
	<564E4476.6080100@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <01a501d1235d$56a8aa80$03f9ff80$@net>

Mark,

Please do contact Davis directly. Diesel's load is back to HIGH and no mail
is getting sent. I just logged another emergency support request.

Thanks!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wieder
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:52 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: diesel again

On 11/19/2015 01:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.
>
> Was that sent to support@, or to David personally?
>
> Heather's tried to remind us gently here a few times that we should 
> avoid writing to specific individual accounts for support matters 
> because roles shift, people take vacations, etc., but support@ queues 
> are shared by multiple staff to cover such occurrences.
>

Well, that email thread was to support. But you're right, maybe I should try
contacting David directly.

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From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 03:47:26 2015
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:47:26 +0000
Subject: LiveCode support 
In-Reply-To: <01a501d1235d$56a8aa80$03f9ff80$@net>
References: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
	<564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com>
	<564E4476.6080100@ahsoftware.net>
	<01a501d1235d$56a8aa80$03f9ff80$@net>
Message-ID: <D76E1F93-88B3-4673-B8E7-4E93269DB7E9@gmail.com>

Hello folks

My Indy license stopped working in September (should be good until 2017), and Heather was actively trying to sort the problems out.

Then it all went silent.  There has been no response to my last 4 emails (ticket number is in subject line).  I haven?t been cross or offensive, and there is no dispute about whether I have a license, so I don?t think I am being ignored intentionally!

Does anyone know if there an alternative address I can try, or should I just give them a ring?

Cheers,

David G


From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Nov 20 04:07:41 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:07:41 +0000
Subject: LiveCode support
In-Reply-To: <D76E1F93-88B3-4673-B8E7-4E93269DB7E9@gmail.com>
References: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
	<564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com> <564E4476.6080100@ahsoftware.net>
	<01a501d1235d$56a8aa80$03f9ff80$@net>
	<D76E1F93-88B3-4673-B8E7-4E93269DB7E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564EE2DD.9060404@livecode.com>

On 20/11/2015 08:47, David V Glasgow wrote:
> Hello folks
>
> My Indy license stopped working in September (should be good until 2017), and Heather was actively trying to sort the problems out.
>
> Then it all went silent.  There has been no response to my last 4 emails (ticket number is in subject line).  I haven?t been cross or offensive, and there is no dispute about whether I have a license, so I don?t think I am being ignored intentionally!
>
> Does anyone know if there an alternative address I can try, or should I just give them a ring?

Hi David,

Sorry to hear that you've been having problems with getting support.  I 
suspect that your ticket slipped through the cracks somehow!

I've flagged it up with our support team, and someone will be getting in 
touch with you very shortly to give you an update.

                                Peter

-- 
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LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode



From kevin at livecode.com  Fri Nov 20 07:25:12 2015
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:25:12 +0000
Subject: LiveCode support 
In-Reply-To: <D76E1F93-88B3-4673-B8E7-4E93269DB7E9@gmail.com>
References: <564E3494.9090007@ahsoftware.net>
	<564E4163.9010005@fourthworld.com>
	<564E4476.6080100@ahsoftware.net>
	<01a501d1235d$56a8aa80$03f9ff80$@net>
	<D76E1F93-88B3-4673-B8E7-4E93269DB7E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D274C182.9208D%kevin@livecode.com>

We never ignore support emails and queues are not backed up at the moment.
Have you checked your spam filter? If not then sure, give us a call and
I?m sure we can sort it out.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 20/11/2015 08:47, "use-livecode on behalf of David V Glasgow"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of dvglasgow at gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hello folks
>
>My Indy license stopped working in September (should be good until 2017),
>and Heather was actively trying to sort the problems out.
>
>Then it all went silent.  There has been no response to my last 4 emails
>(ticket number is in subject line).  I haven?t been cross or offensive,
>and there is no dispute about whether I have a license, so I don?t think
>I am being ignored intentionally!
>
>Does anyone know if there an alternative address I can try, or should I
>just give them a ring?
>
>Cheers,
>
>David G
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From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 20 08:10:13 2015
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:10:13 +0100
Subject: Core Image effects on iOS?
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP31C112F9969D5960F67199A51A0@phx.gbl>

Is it possible to use Core Image effects on iOS?

Any example stacks?

cheers

Alan



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Nov 20 12:31:03 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:31:03 +0000
Subject: Script for finding duplicate accounts and identifying dups
In-Reply-To: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
References: <22EAAF4D-599A-492E-9A74-9B757D0B9E8F@me.com>
Message-ID: <D6C78888-754A-4B3F-9E70-79A2B6496432@iotecdigital.com>

I'm wondering why not use filter? For each line, in the list, copy the list to a temp variable

put tList into tTemp
put item 1 of line tCurrentLine into tKey
filter tTemp with tKey & "*"

then check for duplicates:

if the number of lines of tTemp > 1 then put tTemp & cr after tDuplicates

If the list is really large however, this may not be the most efficient way.

Bob S


On Nov 19, 2015, at 12:12 , JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com<mailto:johnpatten at me.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

I have a list of user accounts and unique IDs. The user accounts are first initial + last name. A typical list might look like the following:

jdoe, 123456
ggarcia, 121212
ggarcia, 131313



From simon at asato-media.com  Fri Nov 20 13:43:14 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:43:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1448044994880-4698901.post@n4.nabble.com>

Another just arrived... 43 hours late.

Simon



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Nov 20 15:13:20 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:13:20 -0800
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <1448044994880-4698901.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1448044994880-4698901.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <564F7EE0.9080803@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/20/2015 10:43 AM, Simon wrote:
> Another just arrived... 43 hours late.

And no response from support since Monday.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Nov 20 15:14:00 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:14:00 -0600
Subject: [OT] For you Arduino fans
Message-ID: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>

Here's something you can do with your Arduino:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From monte at appisle.net  Fri Nov 20 15:17:56 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:17:56 +1100
Subject: [OT] For you Arduino fans
In-Reply-To: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3DC4B14B-6DCF-4D3F-9A35-4EDFF57830E7@appisle.net>

Some folks have waaaay too much time on their hands ;-)

> On 21 Nov 2015, at 7:14 am, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's something you can do with your Arduino:
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg>
> 
> -- 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Nov 20 15:23:45 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:23:45 -0800
Subject: [OT] For you Arduino fans
In-Reply-To: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D274C0F0.72024%scott@tactilemedia.com>

That's pretty great. :-) Where does one purchase a mechanical tentacle?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 11/20/15, 12:14 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay"
<use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

>Here's something you can do with your Arduino:
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg>
>
>-- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Nov 20 15:25:37 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:25:37 -0600
Subject: [OT] For you Arduino fans
In-Reply-To: <3DC4B14B-6DCF-4D3F-9A35-4EDFF57830E7@appisle.net>
References: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3DC4B14B-6DCF-4D3F-9A35-4EDFF57830E7@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <564F81C1.4050005@hyperactivesw.com>

True, but don't tell me you don't want one. ;)

On 11/20/2015 2:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Some folks have waaaay too much time on their hands ;-)
>
>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 7:14 am, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's something you can do with your Arduino:
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ2dI_B_Ycg>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From monte at appisle.net  Fri Nov 20 15:27:06 2015
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:27:06 +1100
Subject: [OT] For you Arduino fans
In-Reply-To: <564F81C1.4050005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <564F7F08.9070807@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3DC4B14B-6DCF-4D3F-9A35-4EDFF57830E7@appisle.net>
	<564F81C1.4050005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <573633E4-247D-4BCE-A990-86C70A10B0DA@appisle.net>


> On 21 Nov 2015, at 7:25 am, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> True, but don't tell me you don't want one. ;)

Only because I could control it with mergBLE ;-)

From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Nov 20 16:00:55 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:00:55 +0100
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <564F7EE0.9080803@ahsoftware.net>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1448044994880-4698901.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<564F7EE0.9080803@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C901148C-1775-4EA0-90E2-7CDD4F45C23B@m-r-d.de>

Mark,

that is absolutely untypical. Did you sent a normal support request or did you put  URGENT into the subject line or did you use the contact form for emergency support requests?

My emergency support requests,regardless if i used the contact form or if i put urgent in the subject line, were always answered within 2 or 3 hours. 

Matthias


> Am 20.11.2015 um 21:13 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> On 11/20/2015 10:43 AM, Simon wrote:
>> Another just arrived... 43 hours late.
> 
> And no response from support since Monday.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Nov 20 16:13:06 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:13:06 -0500
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <C901148C-1775-4EA0-90E2-7CDD4F45C23B@m-r-d.de>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>	<1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1448044994880-4698901.post@n4.nabble.com>	<564F7EE0.9080803@ahsoftware.net>
	<C901148C-1775-4EA0-90E2-7CDD4F45C23B@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <00b601d123d8$40171e20$c0455a60$@net>

I used the contact form for emergency support requests. I got a response
back last Saturday from David in less than an hour. Things were OK by
Sunday. When diesel went sideways again on Wednesday and last night I again
used the contact form for emergency support requests but have not received
any responses for either of the last 2 emergency support requests. That
being said I see that a few hours after both requests the load on diesel
went back to LOW.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 4:01 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: wtf diesel?

Mark,

that is absolutely untypical. Did you sent a normal support request or did
you put  URGENT into the subject line or did you use the contact form for
emergency support requests?

My emergency support requests,regardless if i used the contact form or if i
put urgent in the subject line, were always answered within 2 or 3 hours. 

Matthias


> Am 20.11.2015 um 21:13 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> On 11/20/2015 10:43 AM, Simon wrote:
>> Another just arrived... 43 hours late.
> 
> And no response from support since Monday.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Fri Nov 20 17:24:58 2015
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:24:58 -0800
Subject: Keeping a fixed aspect ratio while resizing a stack
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtR3B6U+PPQDE2ugiedhH40DoUofyTB0TvBqo9whc-Xv=A@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to let users of my stack resize it while keeping a fixed
aspect ratio of the stack. As far as I have been able to find, this is not
possible. There doesn't seem to be any way to constrain a stack while it is
being resized. Putting statements in the resizestack handler to accomplish
this do bad things. I can change the size of the stack to reflect the
aspect ratio I want *after* the resize is done, but not during.

I just wanted to see if anyone had found a way to do this. As an additional
thought, I see that LC *does* allow this option if you hold down the
shift-key while resizing the stack (shift-drag also keeps the aspect ratio
of certain objects during a resize).

Is this a feature of LC itself or is LC simply using an OS capability (I'm
running under OS X) to handle this?

Would there be a way to tap into LC's ability to constrain the stack
resizing? The only other way I can think of is to somehow simulate the
pressing of the shift key while resizing is taking place, but I don't see
any way to do this either.

Any insight would be appreciated.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Nov 20 17:31:19 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:31:19 -0800
Subject: wtf diesel?
In-Reply-To: <1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <564A6DD2.6000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<1447968388320-4698887.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <564F9F37.8060005@ahsoftware.net>

On 11/19/2015 01:26 PM, Simon wrote:
> Just rece