From mgruenthal at mac.com Sun Nov 1 07:27:12 2015 From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 07:27:12 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Think bigger (or smaller). Your computer is in your pocket. It connects wirelessly and adapts to the display and input devices around you. Until that happens, merging OS X and iOS won’t work. They are close enough (under the hood) that there’s no real impediment to merging them now, but there isn’t a device yet that will provide an end user experience that’s up to Cupertino standards. I’m sure that a merged OS exists, but we won’t see it until the hardware is ready. Look at what Apple is doing with size classes in Xcode. It’s not just about the iPad Pro. On 10/31/15, 5:32 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon" wrote: >I didn't mean to imply that Apple's (future, potential) effort would ape >Microsoft's work. I just listed MS's effort because it's a concrete example >of the issues I see. > >The rest of your post seems to be implying that your version of a hybrid OS >would largely resemble iOS, but with some extensions included to support >trackpads. I still question the viability of such a thing, but it would at >least not suffer from some of the glaring (to me, obviously, since at least >millions of people seem perfectly happy with their Surfaces running Win10) >usability failures -- like Excel, which (last time I checked, which was >pre-Win10) had many interface elements that were 90% unusable without a >trackpad (or stylus). > >So if Apple releases a touch-sensitive laptop that flips over to become a >tablet, runs something fairly close to iOS, but with the ability to run >something like LiveCode on it, I'd definitely consider it. > >Which makes me curious: LiveCode notwithstanding, are there iOS app >equivalents for most categories at this point? Audacity, Balsamiq, >Photoshop, Jira, etc., etc.? > >gc > >On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Richard Gaskin >wrote: > >> Geoff Canyon wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> > >> >> I just wish Apple would hurry up and announce the merger of OS X and >> >> iOS.... >> >> >> > >> > Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen >> > what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a >> > usability mess. >> >> When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does? >> >> Apple's desktop OS has always been distinguished from Microsoft's, their >> mobile OS is very different from Microsoft's; there's no reason to believe >> a convergence design would become the one area where Apple feels the need >> to start emulating Microsoft. >> >> >> > Touch and trackpad/mouse are too far apart to share a UI. >> >> They are very different, yet consider the capabilities of the iPad and the >> popularity of docking keyboards for them. Apple even makes one themselves >> now. >> >> By docking a keyboard you get half your screen back and a much better >> typing experience. At the point the device ergonomics are already like a >> laptop, with one serious downside: the "gorilla arm" Steve Jobs discussed >> as a problem with using touch screens with laptops. >> >> Touch is great for convenience, but pointers are great for precision. >> Neither is best in all circumstances; both are excellent for their own >> respective tasks. >> >> Why not put a trackpad on the docking keyboard, and have the best of both? >> >> Just as the Outbound predated the first Mac portable, someone's already >> shipping a docking keyboard for the iPad that has a trackpad: >> < >> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/crux-loaded-case-almost-turns-your-ipad-into-a-laptop-for-250/ >> > >> >> The alternative to an OS design that can gracefully adapt to different >> input modes is a requirement to carry both an iPad and a Macbook, one for >> convenience tasks and the other for when you're doing any serious work like >> typing or graphics - or risk "gorilla arm" with a docking keyboard that has >> no trackpad. >> >> Anyone who believes Apple is unable to produce a great convergence design >> underestimates them, and overlooks a long and distinguished history of >> excellence where others look clumsy. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From colinholgate at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 09:20:18 2015 From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:20:18 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <563524ED.7070406@gmail.com> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net> <60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com> <56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com> <56351D75.9010509@gmail.com> <3129F79C-0028-47AE-A1EA-A3C6273B9BBC@gmail.com> <563524ED.7070406@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple dealer went like this: dealer: “what’s the current version of Finder?” me to dealer: “hold on” me to colleagues: “what’s the current version of Finder?” colleagues: “5.5” me to dealer: “5.5” dealer: “thanks” hang up me to colleagues: “What’s Finder?” Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted as System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went straight from 4.3 to 6.0. > On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond wrote: > > On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote: >> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be that it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release didn’t really have a number as such, because System and Finder were always different, until 6.0 was released. >> >> The main thing is that there wasn’t a System 5.0, even if in some places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html >> >> >>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond wrote: >>> >>> >>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com Sun Nov 1 10:26:45 2015 From: kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com (Kaveh Bazargan) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:26:45 +0000 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net> <60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com> <56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com> <56351D75.9010509@gmail.com> <3129F79C-0028-47AE-A1EA-A3C6273B9BBC@gmail.com> <563524ED.7070406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Colin, we might have run into each other in the early Apple days. I did many demos for dealers for Adobe Illustrator (v1), Mathematica (on Mac and Next), Textures (tex on Mac) and even HyperCard. On 1 November 2015 at 14:20, Colin Holgate wrote: > I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II > knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not > knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple > dealer went like this: > > dealer: “what’s the current version of Finder?” > me to dealer: “hold on” > me to colleagues: “what’s the current version of Finder?” > colleagues: “5.5” > me to dealer: “5.5” > dealer: “thanks” hang up > me to colleagues: “What’s Finder?” > > Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted as > System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went straight > from 4.3 to 6.0. > > > > On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond > wrote: > > > > On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be that > it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release didn’t > really have a number as such, because System and Finder were always > different, until 6.0 was released. > >> > >> The main thing is that there wasn’t a System 5.0, even if in some > places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one: > >>> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Kaveh Bazargan Director River Valley Technologies @kaveh1000 +44 7771 824 111 www.rivervalleytechnologies.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 1 11:00:20 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:00:20 -0600 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net> <60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com> <56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com> <56351D75.9010509@gmail.com> <3129F79C-0028-47AE-A1EA-A3C6273B9BBC@gmail.com> <563524ED.7070406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <692EE825-3362-4234-8DB6-D55159C920E8@hyperactivesw.com> I think you may be right it's a regional thing. I checked my archives again and I have no version 4. It goes from 3 to 5. I'm looking at the official Apple developer CD that contains all historical operating systems. On November 1, 2015 8:20:18 AM CST, Colin Holgate wrote: >I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II >knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not >knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple >dealer went like this: > >dealer: whats the current version of Finder? >me to dealer: hold on >me to colleagues: whats the current version of Finder? >colleagues: 5.5 >me to dealer: 5.5 >dealer: thanks hang up >me to colleagues: Whats Finder? > >Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted >as System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went >straight from 4.3 to 6.0. > > >> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond >wrote: >> >> On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote: >>> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be >that it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release >didnt really have a number as such, because System and Finder were >always different, until 6.0 was released. >>> >>> The main thing is that there wasnt a System 5.0, even if in some >places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x. >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond >wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From waprothero at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 13:23:18 2015 From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:23:18 -0800 Subject: User Guide: Call for Errata In-Reply-To: <56324ECE.1030300@fourthworld.com> References: <56324ECE.1030300@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <716D3F1B-474D-4B30-909A-22401AEE5E0C@gmail.com> Richard: I use an Apple app named “notebook” to store various extractions that I wanted to save from this list. I don’t have time to fully join in the user guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I could send you my Notebook file for this. Best, Bill > On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Thanks, Kay. And thanks for the CC - lets me keep all these notes in one place. > > Please feel free to pass along any other details you come across. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > LiveCode Community Manager > richard at livecode.org > > > Kay C Lan wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Richard Gaskin >> wrote: >> >>> To make sure we cover any errors and omissions you've seen, please send a >>> brief description with the page number to me at the email address below. >>> >>> Bug #12450 >> >> Also, ALL references to Mac OS should be removed. LC 7 & 8 will not run on >> OS 9 so references should only be made to OS X. Both the User Guide and the >> Dictionary suffer badly from inconsistency of the use of the term Mac OS - >> sometimes it's referring specifically to OS 9 and at other times it means >> both 9 and X. >> >> Page 258 of the User Guide, under The layer of menu buttons: makes >> reference to both Mac OS and OS X >> Same Page but the next Para down, under Changing Menus Dynamically: only >> refers to Mac OS, but the statement also applies to OS X. >> >> To add to the inconsistency the User Guide (I haven't seen it in the >> Dictionary) also occasionally uses the term Mac OS Classic - see Page 259, >> top line but in the very next paragraph return to using Mac OS to refer to >> OS 9. >> >> Again, moving forward there should only be one term, either Mac OS X or >> just OS X and ALL content applicable ONLY to OS 9 should be removed. >> >> I've CC'd your other email as requested but posted here as it may trigger >> some more useful comments on what needs attention. >> >> Thanks for taking on this task... it's a BIG one. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From prothero at earthednet.org Sun Nov 1 16:14:36 2015 From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:14:36 -0800 Subject: User Guide: Call for Errata In-Reply-To: <716D3F1B-474D-4B30-909A-22401AEE5E0C@gmail.com> References: <56324ECE.1030300@fourthworld.com> <716D3F1B-474D-4B30-909A-22401AEE5E0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richard: Oh heck, I can export it to .doc if needed. Bill > On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:23 AM, William Prothero wrote: > > Richard: > I use an Apple app named “notebook” to store various extractions that I wanted to save from this list. I don’t have time to fully join in the user guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I could send you my Notebook file for this. > Best, > Bill > >> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Thanks, Kay. And thanks for the CC - lets me keep all these notes in one place. >> >> Please feel free to pass along any other details you come across. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> LiveCode Community Manager >> richard at livecode.org >> >> >> Kay C Lan wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Richard Gaskin >>> wrote: >>> >>>> To make sure we cover any errors and omissions you've seen, please send a >>>> brief description with the page number to me at the email address below. >>>> >>>> Bug #12450 >>> >>> Also, ALL references to Mac OS should be removed. LC 7 & 8 will not run on >>> OS 9 so references should only be made to OS X. Both the User Guide and the >>> Dictionary suffer badly from inconsistency of the use of the term Mac OS - >>> sometimes it's referring specifically to OS 9 and at other times it means >>> both 9 and X. >>> >>> Page 258 of the User Guide, under The layer of menu buttons: makes >>> reference to both Mac OS and OS X >>> Same Page but the next Para down, under Changing Menus Dynamically: only >>> refers to Mac OS, but the statement also applies to OS X. >>> >>> To add to the inconsistency the User Guide (I haven't seen it in the >>> Dictionary) also occasionally uses the term Mac OS Classic - see Page 259, >>> top line but in the very next paragraph return to using Mac OS to refer to >>> OS 9. >>> >>> Again, moving forward there should only be one term, either Mac OS X or >>> just OS X and ALL content applicable ONLY to OS 9 should be removed. >>> >>> I've CC'd your other email as requested but posted here as it may trigger >>> some more useful comments on what needs attention. >>> >>> Thanks for taking on this task... it's a BIG one. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From sritcp at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 18:23:20 2015 From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:23:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Application Data In-Reply-To: <785BFFD3-4D51-4111-A270-8E8E54141519@me.com> References: <785BFFD3-4D51-4111-A270-8E8E54141519@me.com> Message-ID: <1446420200298-4698335.post@n4.nabble.com> Peter: Will this work? 1. Use windowShape property to create your "application" stack with a rectangular hole in the middle for the "user" stack. 2. Constrain the location and dimensions of the user stack so it stays within bounds when the user resizes it. 3. Use mouseEnter and mouseLeave to activate the respective stack. Regards, Sri -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Application-Data-tp4698191p4698335.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 05:39:38 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:39:38 +0200 Subject: drop-down button Message-ID: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com> The drop-down is populated with font names. I have: on menuPick FFFFONT switch FFFFONT set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT end switch end menuPick but the textFont of the field is not being set. Where am I going wrong? Richmond. From iangmcknight at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 05:46:58 2015 From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:46:58 +0000 Subject: drop-down button In-Reply-To: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com> References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Put the default keyword in and it should work fine switch FFFFONT Default set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT end switch Regards Ian On 2 November 2015 at 10:39, Richmond wrote: > The drop-down is populated with font names. > > I have: > > on menuPick FFFFONT > switch FFFFONT > set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT > end switch > end menuPick > > but the textFont of the field is not being set. > > Where am I going wrong? > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 06:01:29 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:01:29 +0200 Subject: drop-down button In-Reply-To: References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56374289.9080207@gmail.com> On 02/11/15 12:46, Ian McKnight wrote: > Put the default keyword in and it should work fine > > switch FFFFONT > Default > set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT > end switch > > Regards > > Ian Thanks so much: quick and to the point. I wonder how newbies are going to find that one out? Richmond. > On 2 November 2015 at 10:39, Richmond wrote: > >> The drop-down is populated with font names. >> >> I have: >> >> on menuPick FFFFONT >> switch FFFFONT >> set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT >> end switch >> end menuPick >> >> but the textFont of the field is not being set. >> >> Where am I going wrong? >> >> Richmond. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From peter.brett at livecode.com Mon Nov 2 06:16:03 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:16:03 +0000 Subject: drop-down button In-Reply-To: <56374289.9080207@gmail.com> References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com> <56374289.9080207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563745F3.2090004@livecode.com> On 02/11/2015 11:01, Richmond wrote: > On 02/11/15 12:46, Ian McKnight wrote: >> Put the default keyword in and it should work fine >> >> switch FFFFONT >> Default >> set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT >> end switch >> >> Regards >> >> Ian > > Thanks so much: quick and to the point. > > I wonder how newbies are going to find that one out? By reading the documentation for "switch", presumably: http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/switch Why do you need a "switch" here anyway? Why can't you just do: on menuPick pFont set the textFont of field "OOT" to pFont end menuPick Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode From peter.brett at livecode.com Mon Nov 2 08:11:00 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:11:00 +0000 Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 7 Message-ID: <563760E4.90905@livecode.com> Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #7 here: https://goo.gl/Me3Bzu This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any! If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 12:31:49 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:31:49 +0200 Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode? Message-ID: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com> IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into LiveCode script. ????? Inspired by reading this: https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf page 41 Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 12:33:23 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:33:23 +0200 Subject: drop-down button In-Reply-To: <563745F3.2090004@livecode.com> References: <56373D6A.9080909@gmail.com> <56374289.9080207@gmail.com> <563745F3.2090004@livecode.com> Message-ID: <56379E63.4050701@gmail.com> On 02/11/15 13:16, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > > On 02/11/2015 11:01, Richmond wrote: >> On 02/11/15 12:46, Ian McKnight wrote: >>> Put the default keyword in and it should work fine >>> >>> switch FFFFONT >>> Default >>> set the textFont of fld "OOT" to FFFFONT >>> end switch >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ian >> >> Thanks so much: quick and to the point. >> >> I wonder how newbies are going to find that one out? > > By reading the documentation for "switch", presumably: > > http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/switch Quite. I had overlooked the whole SWITCH thing, as am 100% familiar with switch as my Devawriter Pro depends on it. > > Why do you need a "switch" here anyway? Why can't you just do: > > on menuPick pFont > set the textFont of field "OOT" to pFont > end menuPick > > Peter > Dunno: grabbed an old bit of code I found lying around . . . Richmond. From dunbarx at aol.com Mon Nov 2 12:59:50 2015 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:59:50 -0500 Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode? In-Reply-To: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com> References: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <150c95aec2e-3fa2-14321@webprd-a07.mail.aol.com> Richmond. There may be a formal structure for pseudoCode, but when I call what I create as a help reply "pseudo", it takes a form something like: on mouseUp get the date convert it to dateItems do some calculations on item 7 of it toss it into the ring put it into fld 1 end mouseUp That sort of thing. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 12:32 pm Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode? IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into LiveCode script. ????? Inspired by reading this: https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf page 41 Richmond. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Nov 2 13:17:08 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:17:08 +0000 Subject: glx2 In-Reply-To: <5634F8EA.1030306@ahsoftware.net> References: <60F6D63F-9DB9-48BF-89CB-7672B9CDD552@sweattechnologies.com> <562956C7.6010904@fourthworld.com> <9ED45450-B011-4C77-90D4-F288AEDE1766@sweattechnologies.com> <5629974A.3050400@ahsoftware.net> <3D545BA4-9F7F-44F3-912A-D7D59398F229@hindu.org> <00AAC559-4338-4594-BB4B-507501A5F014@iotecdigital.com> <3DD9D7D0-F7D1-4A65-B164-E446E2B09369@canelasoftware.com> <5632F151.5050105@ahsoftware.net> <204162B6-FCF4-4905-82A6-5EFFB582D838@canelasoftware.com> <5634F8EA.1030306@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <869E3AEF-D1BE-4524-ABCD-4CAD780FFFFA@iotecdigital.com> Seems to be working well on this side. I have the 3.0.19 GLX2 and the PowerDebug working together and haven't seen any glaring issue yet. I am SOOO looking forward to making these my defacto editor and debugger again! It's like getting back together with my high school girlfriend. ;-) Thanks for the hard work Mark! Bob S > On Oct 31, 2015, at 10:22 , Mark Wieder wrote: > > On 10/31/2015 08:29 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > >> Ok. I will give it a try in 7.1.1 and 8. > > All right. Beta 2 is up on the website now. > > It's stable for me (except for the engine bug on linux), it (finally) includes the properties in clairvoyance completion, so that the typeahead function will fill out "itemd" to "itemdelimiter". > > ...and after thinking about the "other editor" problem for a bit, I just removed the code that checks for it. That makes for a slightly longer load time because it's a forced load of the script instead of uncompressing the stored html, but the engine is fast enough that I can't tell the difference. And the big upside is that it just works transparently and you can switch editors without problem. I still wouldn't run both editors side by side at the same time, though. > > I'm happy with the fact that I managed to clean out enough old unused code to get the main stack script under 10k lines. > This is probably the 3.0.19 release candidate build unless someone finds something serious enough to hold it back. > > https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/downloads > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Nov 2 13:18:07 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:18:07 +0000 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> Yeah. It's usually the other way around! ;-) Bob S On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: > Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen > what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a > usability mess. When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does? From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Nov 2 13:22:14 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:22:14 +0000 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <56340881.9020402@ahsoftware.net> <60C139FA-6200-46DA-874A-65DCDC3D13EF@gmail.com> <56351926.3030103@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <3D3D0C7C-6FB3-43C5-852A-2B9B2A04E489@iotecdigital.com> My short affair with Pascal ended when I saw what it was going to take to write Pascal apps for the current Apple graphical OS. It was then I realized I would never develop in a full blown compilter based system as I simply didn't have the time. Bob S On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:40 , J. Landman Gay > wrote: Also, I remember writing a silly little game for OS 5 when trying to teach myself Pascal, and that it ran for a short while until I updated to OS 6 and it broke spectacularly. That was the end of my Pascal experience. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay From jhj at jhj.com Mon Nov 2 13:23:41 2015 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:23:41 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Dragging the sides of a window to resize. > On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Yeah. It's usually the other way around! ;-) > > Bob S > > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: > >> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen >> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a >> usability mess. > > When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From blueback09 at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 13:33:39 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:33:39 -0800 Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode? In-Reply-To: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com> References: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: Note: it's page 41 in the menu bar, but page 27 in the document. I'm only dangerous in Livecode, but the code in Listing 5.3 looks like actual code to me, not pseudocode. By definition, if it's pseudocode then isn't it too vague to be used as actual code? And what good is code, pseudo or not, if it references mysterious functions? Pseudocode should be easier to write and read since a human can fill in the missing pieces for themselves. If you had a set of rules for writing pseudocode, such that it could be parsed into a high-level language like Livecode, then wouldn't you simply have an even higher-level language? On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Richmond wrote: > IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not > be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import > pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into > LiveCode script. > > ????? > > Inspired by reading this: > https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf > > page 41 > > Richmond. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 2 13:41:49 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:41:49 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: That is a great one Jerry! Always having to move an application window around, and resize by just one corner was soooo restrictive. The edge resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x. ~Roger On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > Dragging the sides of a window to resize. > > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bob Sneidar > wrote: > > > > Yeah. It's usually the other way around! ;-) > > > > Bob S > > > > > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > > >> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen > >> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a > >> usability mess. > > > > When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does? > > > > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 2 13:43:48 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:43:48 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com> Jerry Jensen wrote: >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 15:33 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Geoff Canyon wrote: >>> Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen >>> what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a >>> usability mess. >> >> When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does? >> > > Dragging the sides of a window to resize. True, and there are others: Even recently: Every OS vendor borrows from the others. To be more accurate I should have written: When did Apple ever implement something Microsoft does that no one likes? :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Nov 2 13:50:13 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:50:13 +0000 Subject: [OT-ish] How regular is pseudocode? In-Reply-To: References: <56379E05.2090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <144BC4A0-70B6-495E-862D-58FC2A2675A6@iotecdigital.com> The problem I forsee with this is that in order to write the pseudocode with enough detail to parse ito regular code, it would be so close already that you may as well have just written the code in the first place. Livecode Script almost reads like Pseudocode. This might be useful for other more complex languages with rigid structure, but I do not think LC would benefit from it. How would you account for nested control structures? I can write: if the highlight of this button is on then turn it off otherwise turn it on but what if I need to put a case statement inside the one condition and a repeat loop inside of the other? What if there are several if statements I want to evaluate? if condition a then ... else if condition b then ... otherwise ... By the time you account for these sorts of scenarios, you code is almost written in LC script anyway. My 2¢ Bob S > On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:33 , Matt Maier wrote: > > Note: it's page 41 in the menu bar, but page 27 in the document. > > I'm only dangerous in Livecode, but the code in Listing 5.3 looks like > actual code to me, not pseudocode. By definition, if it's pseudocode then > isn't it too vague to be used as actual code? And what good is code, pseudo > or not, if it references mysterious functions? > > Pseudocode should be easier to write and read since a human can fill in the > missing pieces for themselves. If you had a set of rules for writing > pseudocode, such that it could be parsed into a high-level language like > Livecode, then wouldn't you simply have an even higher-level language? > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Richmond > wrote: > >> IFF pseudocode has rules as to how it should be written it should not >> be that difficult to write a series of routines inwith LiveCode to import >> pseudocode written (say) in an RTF document and transpose it into >> LiveCode script. >> >> ????? >> >> Inspired by reading this: >> https://project.dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/games/files/msc/MasterThesisCarcassonne.pdf >> >> page 41 >> >> Richmond. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Nov 2 13:51:36 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:51:36 +0000 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> I thought Vista could do it... And if you meant LC version 7, I can do it in LC 6.7.6 Bob S On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:41 , Roger Eller > wrote: That is a great one Jerry! Always having to move an application window around, and resize by just one corner was soooo restrictive. The edge resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x. ~Roger From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 2 14:17:09 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have installed). The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced to use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application had edge resizing. It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was added to LC. Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning IMHO to be touting themselves to be cross-platform. ~Roger On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I thought Vista could do it... > > And if you meant LC version 7, I can do it in LC 6.7.6 > > Bob S > > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:41 , Roger Eller > wrote: > > That is a great one Jerry! Always having to move an application window > around, and resize by just one corner was soooo restrictive. The edge > resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x. > > ~Roger From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 2 14:27:18 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:27:18 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5637B916.2030907@fourthworld.com> Roger Eller wrote: > The edge resize feature didn't appear in LiveCode stacks until 7.x. Edge resizing is supported in the Cocoa APIs, and in LiveCode was part of the Cocoa-savvy overhaul that first premiered in 6.7. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 2 14:32:58 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:32:58 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5637BA6A.9030102@fourthworld.com> Roger Eller wrote: > The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced to use the > little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application > had edge resizing. It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that > it was added to LC. IIRC I've been resizing LiveCode windows from edges for many years, possibly back to MetaCard 2.4.2, but certainly long before LC v6.7. Maybe there was a property not set properly in your stacks? > Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning IMHO > to be touting themselves to be cross-platform. Resizing aside, what other issues have you found with LiveCode specific to Windows? I've mentioned the menu mnemonics remaining visible even before the Alt key is pressed, but no one else seems to have noticed that. I don't spend enough time on Windows to have the same sensitivity with I do for Mac and Ubuntu, so it would be helpful to see if perhaps there are outstanding issues we might reconsider prioritizing for the dominant desktop OS. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Nov 2 14:33:45 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:33:45 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> On 11/02/2015 11:17 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have > installed). The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced to > use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application > had edge resizing. It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was > added to LC. Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning IMHO > to be touting themselves to be cross-platform. It's not a LiveCode thing, it's an OS thing. I just punched up LC 4.6.4 and resized from the edges with no problems. Of course, I'm running a linux desktop, which does that natively. So it has nothing to do with the LC version, and everything to do with what the OS supports. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Nov 2 14:38:53 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:38:53 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com> References: <5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5637BBCD.1080608@ahsoftware.net> On 11/02/2015 10:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Every OS vendor borrows from the others. To be more accurate I should > have written: > > When did Apple ever implement something Microsoft does > that no one likes? Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Apple got the wastebasket idea from Microsoft... the original question was about what distinguishes one desktop from another. This is kind of like arguing about whether Bootsy or Larry Graham started popping first. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 2 14:40:54 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:40:54 -0800 Subject: User Guide: Call for Errata In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5637BC46.10808@fourthworld.com> Any readable format is fine - thanks! - Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager richard at livecode.org William Prothero wrote: > Richard: > Oh heck, I can export it to .doc if needed. > Bill > >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:23 AM, William Prothero wrote: >> >> Richard: >> I use an Apple app named “notebook” to store various extractions that I wanted to save from this list. I don’t have time to fully join in the user guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I could send you my Notebook file for this. >> Best, >> Bill >> From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 2 14:52:03 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:52:03 -0800 Subject: [ANN]SoCal LiveCode Meeting, Nov 5 In-Reply-To: <560B71E2.50507@fourthworld.com> References: <560B71E2.50507@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5637BEE3.6050302@fourthworld.com> The next meeting of the SoCal LiveCode User Group is coming up Thursday, November 5, at 7PM in Pasadena - details in the forums: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From jhj at jhj.com Mon Nov 2 15:51:11 2015 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:51:11 -0800 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <5637BBCD.1080608@ahsoftware.net> References: <5637AEE4.30804@fourthworld.com> <5637BBCD.1080608@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: > On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > This is kind of like arguing about whether Bootsy or Larry Graham started popping first. How about Pops Popwell? Or was he much later? From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Nov 2 16:50:28 2015 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:50:28 -0800 Subject: Vector images? In-Reply-To: <5632804F.4030403@fourthworld.com> References: <5632791E.9030903@hindu.org> <5632804F.4030403@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <75ADE2A6-E554-4E68-959C-41177429A8AF@canelasoftware.com> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > That seems very much like what you're looking for, and what Mark Talluto's looking for, and many others. LiveCode 8 looks very promising for our needs in regards to SVG support. Mark’w comments today show that LiveCode agrees that SVG is important. The thought of it all working in the context of images (optionally) is also very interesting. I think LiveCode is on the right track. Best regards, Mark Talluto livecloud.io canelasoftware.com From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 2 17:03:30 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:03:30 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I stand corrected, sorry. I just created a new stack with Revolution 1.1 in Windows 7 (yes really), and the edges were resizable. I may have displaced my frustration, which was that earlier versions of OS X were forcing me to use the corner when my virtualized Win XP (on the same machine) was living life fancy free. I agree with Richard that the menu mnemonics should be corrected / made to act as other modern Win apps do. So I still believe that Apple gets the lions share of attention simply because it is the developers preference. My experience in a corp environment is they will use the less expensive computer wherever possible. I don't see either situation changing. ~Roger On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 11/02/2015 11:17 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > >> I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have >> installed). The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced >> to >> use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application >> had edge resizing. It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was >> added to LC. Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning >> IMHO >> to be touting themselves to be cross-platform. >> > > It's not a LiveCode thing, it's an OS thing. > I just punched up LC 4.6.4 and resized from the edges with no problems. > Of course, I'm running a linux desktop, which does that natively. > So it has nothing to do with the LC version, and everything to do with > what the OS supports. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 2 17:15:46 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:15:46 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > It's not a LiveCode thing, it's an OS thing. Well, not completely... On my Mac running Yosemite (which supports edge resizing), I create a new stack with LC 6.6.2, and it only has the corner sizer, and the edges do not respond. Later versions of LC work with the edges. > > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > ~Roger From jhj at jhj.com Mon Nov 2 17:30:25 2015 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:30:25 -0800 Subject: Diesel down again? Message-ID: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> Is diesel down again? From simon at asato-media.com Mon Nov 2 17:22:09 2015 From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:22:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Diesel down again? In-Reply-To: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> Message-ID: <1446502929256-4698365.post@n4.nabble.com> Down in California Simon -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Diesel-down-again-tp4698364p4698365.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at appisle.net Mon Nov 2 17:38:49 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:38:49 +1100 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net> > On 3 Nov 2015, at 9:03 am, Roger Eller wrote: > I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have > installed). The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced > to > use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application > had edge resizing. It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was > added to LC. Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning > IMHO > to be touting themselves to be cross-platform. It’s interesting that the very thing you are complaining about is an artefact of the fact that LiveCode on OS X was still Carbon based long after Carbon was past its used by date and starting to stink out the fridge. We got the proper Cocoa behavior when we got Cooca windows in 6.7. To in the same paragraph suggest that LiveCode is too Mac centric seems a bit odd. Cheers Monte From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 2 18:03:05 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:03:05 -0500 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: <27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net> References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> <27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net> Message-ID: That is interesting, isn't it? I must be crazy. Read on, mweider already corrected my misguided self. Good morning, BTW. ;) On Nov 2, 2015 5:39 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > > > On 3 Nov 2015, at 9:03 am, Roger Eller > wrote: > > > I only tried in LC 6.6.2 and then LC 7.0.1 (the only Mac versions I have > > installed). The sad thing (to me) is that even in Windows, I was forced > > to > > use the little corner resize thingie, even though EVERY OTHER application > > had edge resizing. It wasn't until Apple adopted the feature that it was > > added to LC. Runtime Revolution has always been way too Apple leaning > > IMHO > > to be touting themselves to be cross-platform. > > It’s interesting that the very thing you are complaining about is an > artefact of the fact that LiveCode on OS X was still Carbon based long > after Carbon was past its used by date and starting to stink out the > fridge. We got the proper Cocoa behavior when we got Cooca windows in 6.7. > To in the same paragraph suggest that LiveCode is too Mac centric seems a > bit odd. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Mon Nov 2 18:09:19 2015 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:09:19 -0500 Subject: Diesel down again? In-Reply-To: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> Message-ID: <009501d115c3$8120ee00$8362ca00$@net> Diesel's cPanel is down. The MySQL and Web servers are up. I put in an emergency support request to David. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Jensen Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:30 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Diesel down again? Is diesel down again? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at appisle.net Mon Nov 2 18:10:28 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:10:28 +1100 Subject: Chromebook deployment... In-Reply-To: References: <5633F036.1080200@fourthworld.com> <6B2D2EE2-F51B-43A1-9818-F1BE48FA7135@iotecdigital.com> <2C40B962-3432-4B89-86F1-F05F02C89C23@iotecdigital.com> <5637BA99.8090206@ahsoftware.net> <27AA1181-B33F-45B9-A625-8A53F34718D1@appisle.net> Message-ID: <6662AF3B-0F18-41E5-AF95-2BDC9B8303FF@appisle.net> > On 3 Nov 2015, at 10:03 am, Roger Eller wrote: > > That is interesting, isn't it? I must be crazy. You might want to get that checked out ;-) > Read on, mweider already > corrected my misguided self. Good morning, BTW. ;) Good morning ;-) From irog at mac.com Mon Nov 2 19:02:38 2015 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:02:38 -0800 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation Message-ID: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: > http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! All the best, Roger From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 2 19:22:00 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:22:00 -0800 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> Message-ID: <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com> Roger Guay wrote: > I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: > >> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ > > Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! Super cool, Roger - congrats. And thanks for posting the LC stack. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Mon Nov 2 19:34:55 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:34:55 +0000 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com> That is very interesting. It appears that if we ever receive radio transmissions from deep space, it is highly unlikly that the civilization that created them still exist. The times it took to get here are so vast it's questionable that any life existed on the earth when the signals began their long trek across the vastness of space. If we could answer the question, "Is anybody out there?" affirmatively and send it back on its way, in a few million years they might get the reply, and in another few million years we might get back an answer, "Oh... right. Sorry, we figured it out already." Which begs the question... Why? Why listen at all? What could we hope to gain? If we ask a question we will never get an answer in anything like a timely manner and it is extremely doubtful anyone would be listening when it arrives. It's because people are incapable of grasping the immensity of space that they can entertain the notion that we could communicate with anyone "out there" even if we could understand them and they us. So I ask again, why? Bob S On Nov 2, 2015, at 16:22 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: Roger Guay wrote: I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! Super cool, Roger - congrats. And thanks for posting the LC stack. -- Richard Gaskin From monte at appisle.net Mon Nov 2 19:38:48 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:38:48 +1100 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> Message-ID: > On 3 Nov 2015, at 11:02 am, Roger Guay wrote: > > I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: > >> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ > > Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! Cool, Fermi Paradox is an interesting topic. There’s the whole idea of whether we should be drawing attention to ourselves as we know from history that encounters with more advanced civilisations never end well for the less advanced. Then there’s the assumption that we will be able to communicate with an alien species once found when we can’t even have a proper conversation with any other species on this planet when we have full time access to them. All intersting stuff ;-) Cheers Monte From colinholgate at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 19:41:17 2015 From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:41:17 -0500 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com> <8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <93E74606-E240-4740-BCD4-0FAD4483E4EC@gmail.com> “was anybody out there” is still an interesting thing to know. > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > That is very interesting. It appears that if we ever receive radio transmissions from deep space, it is highly unlikly that the civilization that created them still exist. The times it took to get here are so vast it's questionable that any life existed on the earth when the signals began their long trek across the vastness of space. > > If we could answer the question, "Is anybody out there?" affirmatively and send it back on its way, in a few million years they might get the reply, and in another few million years we might get back an answer, "Oh... right. Sorry, we figured it out already." > > Which begs the question... Why? Why listen at all? What could we hope to gain? If we ask a question we will never get an answer in anything like a timely manner and it is extremely doubtful anyone would be listening when it arrives. > > It's because people are incapable of grasping the immensity of space that they can entertain the notion that we could communicate with anyone "out there" even if we could understand them and they us. So I ask again, why? > > Bob S > > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 16:22 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > Roger Guay wrote: > I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: > > http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ > > Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! > > Super cool, Roger - congrats. > > And thanks for posting the LC stack. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 2 19:56:28 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:56:28 -0800 Subject: [ANN] lcStackBrowser v2.2.1 Message-ID: I'm pleased to announce the release of lcStackBrowser v2.2.1,a plugin replacement for the Livecode Application Browser, Project Browser, Property Inspector, and Tools palette. This is a free update for existing users. A free 30-day trial version is available at http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html. Continuing the addition of Livecode 8 features, this release includes the ability to create script-only stacks, and to install widgets by drag/drop or double-click from its Controls palette. Other enhancements include better organization of audio and video clips in the display, including the ability to play them. A complete list of bug fixes and enhancements in this release is available at https://goo.gl/sGRZLM Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin From irog at mac.com Mon Nov 2 22:34:35 2015 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:34:35 -0800 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <93E74606-E240-4740-BCD4-0FAD4483E4EC@gmail.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> <5637FE28.4010401@fourthworld.com> <8C69EEB0-043E-4ECC-8E31-93EED2C5A2A0@iotecdigital.com> <93E74606-E240-4740-BCD4-0FAD4483E4EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8DE5FD6C-B86B-4A4B-989A-03878EEAFAB2@mac.com> Thanks for all the feedback, guys. Anyone interested in this subject matter, the Fermi Paradox, should read Webb’s book. Or, If you have any interests at all in Science/Physics/Astrophysics AND Science Fiction, you will probably find his book totally engaging! I can almost guarantee that it will stretch your mind!! Cheers, Roger > On Nov 2, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > “was anybody out there” is still an interesting thing to know. > > >> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> >> That is very interesting. It appears that if we ever receive radio transmissions from deep space, it is highly unlikly that the civilization that created them still exist. The times it took to get here are so vast it's questionable that any life existed on the earth when the signals began their long trek across the vastness of space. >> >> If we could answer the question, "Is anybody out there?" affirmatively and send it back on its way, in a few million years they might get the reply, and in another few million years we might get back an answer, "Oh... right. Sorry, we figured it out already." >> >> Which begs the question... Why? Why listen at all? What could we hope to gain? If we ask a question we will never get an answer in anything like a timely manner and it is extremely doubtful anyone would be listening when it arrives. >> >> It's because people are incapable of grasping the immensity of space that they can entertain the notion that we could communicate with anyone "out there" even if we could understand them and they us. So I ask again, why? >> >> Bob S >> >> >> On Nov 2, 2015, at 16:22 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: >> >> Roger Guay wrote: >> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: >> >> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ >> >> Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! >> >> Super cool, Roger - congrats. >> >> And thanks for posting the LC stack. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Mon Nov 2 22:42:47 2015 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:42:47 -0500 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> Message-ID: <00a101d115e9$b53074b0$1f915e10$@net> There always has to be the first and last occurrence of anything in the universe. Could we be the first or last? Engaging read. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:03 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: > http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank you for all the help! All the best, Roger _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From irog at mac.com Mon Nov 2 22:47:43 2015 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:47:43 -0800 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <00a101d115e9$b53074b0$1f915e10$@net> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> <00a101d115e9$b53074b0$1f915e10$@net> Message-ID: Yes, or just out of sync with nearby (relatively) neighbors? > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > > Could we be the first or last? From simplsol at aol.com Tue Nov 3 00:02:34 2015 From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:02:34 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs Message-ID: This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered whether there is some data processing option between the limits of card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system - entirely in LiveCode. The monthly meeting is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. Paul Looney From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Nov 2 23:32:34 2015 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:32:34 -0700 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> Message-ID: Congratulations. Really interesting subject matter, and looks cool. I won't pretend to understand everything it's doing, but it looks good doing it :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 11/2/15, 5:02 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Guay" wrote: >I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, >AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of >³If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens Š Where Is Everybody?² here: > >> http://stephenwebb.info/fermi-paradox/a-seti-simulation/ >> > >Needless to say, many of you on this list deserve the credit, and I thank >you for all the help! > > > >All the best, > >Roger >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 00:49:29 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:49:29 -0800 Subject: Diesel down again? In-Reply-To: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> Message-ID: <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net> On 11/02/2015 02:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > Is diesel down again? Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From simon at asato-media.com Tue Nov 3 00:57:26 2015 From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Diesel down again? In-Reply-To: <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net> References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1446530246056-4698382.post@n4.nabble.com> mwieder wrote >> Is diesel down again? > > Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead. Ouch! But Yeah, painful to have my main email down all day. Glad it's back up now. Simon -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Diesel-down-again-tp4698364p4698382.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 01:48:31 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:48:31 -0800 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> References: <79D9C3A9-B7F5-4669-B8BC-56A9B7FA9E87@mac.com> Message-ID: <563858BF.6080505@ahsoftware.net> On 11/02/2015 04:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of If The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens Where Is Everybody? here: Congrats! Looks great. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Nov 3 02:27:10 2015 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:27:10 +0100 Subject: AW: Diesel down again? In-Reply-To: <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net> References: <5DBB6CA5-CBB3-40D6-834C-2F4652BDF66A@jhj.com> <56384AE9.4070803@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <000f01d11609$0df17620$29d46260$@kestner.de> It's from Volkswagen, needs the diesel patch -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Wieder Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. November 2015 06:49 An: How to use LiveCode Betreff: Re: Diesel down again? On 11/02/2015 02:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > Is diesel down again? Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From paolo.borzini at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 03:26:31 2015 From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> Message-ID: <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Alain, I've the same problem and error. Were you able to resolve the error? Paolo -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/error-ITMS-90511-tp4695025p4698385.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 05:44:50 2015 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:44:50 +0000 Subject: What is "Open Language"? In-Reply-To: <401629476644d5b2e8ba5f4c835b65a9@livecode.com> References: <562FB2FA.9080403@fourthworld.com> <401629476644d5b2e8ba5f4c835b65a9@livecode.com> Message-ID: I believe that the Hypertalk 2.2 Reference book (Jeanne de Voto et. al) has a BNF diagram of the language at the end. I could be mistaken, as my copy of the book has been in storage for a number of years. But if I remember correctly, then it seems at least at that stage the language was not too loosey-goosey. Bernard On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > On 2015-10-27 18:23, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> One thing most of us have in common here is that we need to ship >> applications. Very few of us (zero?) are responsible for drafting >> BNFs. >> > > Indeed - but then perhaps that's the difference between people using a > programming language and those responsible for maintaining and evolving it. > > In OOP we could make snapshots a class, so the values specifying them >> could be expressed as name-value pairs through instance variables - >> but who wants to use a language where you need to instantiate a math >> class just to add two numbers? :) OOP is fine where OOP is fine, but >> OOP isn't xTalk. >> > > Well, I think you misrepresent how OOP languages work there - as they > don't tend to require you to instantiate a 'math' class just to add two > numbers. (Although some do take 'purity' to an almost unusable extent). > > In any case, OOP isn't really a language, it is just a set of patterns and > ideas which are one good way to structure languages and think about > software. (And OOP principals are definitely there in xTalks they are just > not generally visible day-to-day). > > In LC, we see increasing use of arrays for name-value pairs (e.g. >> clipboardData, etc.), and if it were important for someone to simplify >> some aspects of making snapshots they could easily craft a handler >> that takes an array to do that in just a couple minutes. >> > > Indeed - name-value pairs are used for 'the clipboardData' and other > devices... Although I'd might suggest only because there is a lack of > ability to be able to code the syntax that might be more appropriate: > > e.g. set the styledText of the clipboard to ... > > So maybe I'm too easy to please, but I think the current syntax for >> snapshots is OK. >> > > It works - but a lot of people get tripped up by it all the time (costing > individuals time figuring out why things don't work, others on the lists > when they respond to questions on the lists about why their command doesn't > work how they expect, and bug reports to us when they think there's an > issue). Now, whilst perhaps a better dictionary entry might help a bit... > This situation does suggest to me the syntax could be better and more > accessible. > > Back in the day Brian Molyneaux of Heizer Software noted the same >> thing about xTalks. Just too loosey-goosey for that sort of thing. >> > > Well I'm sorry to say that he was wrong as far as I'm concerned. > > Indeed, thinking that xTalks have no place for formality might be perhaps > at least (a small) part of the reason why most of them have disappeared? > > Fortunately, my job is to make software, not BNFs, and LiveCode lets me do >> that. >> > > My job is to make software too - software that allows others to make > software. > > Aspects like rigorously definable semantics and rigorous specification of > syntax are things that help me do that. Just like having the features you > need working in the way you need them to help you to do that. > > If life were simple, it probably wouldn't be as much fun :) > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From alain.vezina at logilangue.com Tue Nov 3 09:24:32 2015 From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 09:24:32 -0500 Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Paolo, I submitted this problem to LC team as a bug and they answered me that it is not a bug. So I replaced my database with a large text field, considering that a Mac is more powerfull than an iPad. Using the same database for the iOS version of the same app, I got no error message. I can’t understand or find what causes the problem and I stay convinced that is a bug in LC. Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac? Alain Vezina Logilangue Le 2015-11-03 à 03:26, Neurox66 a écrit : > Hi Alain, > I've the same problem and error. > Were you able to resolve the error? > > Paolo > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/error-ITMS-90511-tp4695025p4698385.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 09:34:39 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:34:39 +0100 Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3a93cfde633e256c455bc05a0eca353a@livecode.com> On 2015-11-03 15:24, Alain Vezina wrote: > I cant understand or find what causes the problem and I stay > convinced that is a bug in LC. > > Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac? This isn't a bug in LC - doing a search on google for ITMS-90511 shows that it is quite a common problem in many dev systems. From looking at these it is hard to determine whether this is a 'general' issue, an issue with certain code-signing options or an issue with the checking Apple do on bundle ids when uploading for the Mac AppStore. I think it is easy enough for you to fix - you just need to tweak the CFBundleId sections in the externals inside your built app - make sure they are unique (to your app) rather than the standard com.livecode.revdb (for example). LiveCode doesn't use these bundle-ids in any way so you can make them whatever you like. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From david at viral.academy Tue Nov 3 09:35:54 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:35:54 +0000 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation Message-ID: Hi Roger - I'm doing a workshop at Mozilla Festival in London this weekend as part of the science strand - one of the sessions will be called "Live Science", another we are focussing on astronomy and code - would be cool to present Alien Civilization Detection at MozFest. Any thoughts on what would be useful - I'm particularly interested in getting people actively involved in discussions and making. On 3 November 2015 at 06:48, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 11/02/2015 04:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > >> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, >> AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If >> The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: >> > > Congrats! Looks great. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From david at viral.academy Tue Nov 3 09:54:35 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:54:35 +0000 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. Message-ID: This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are running a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry Pi's. We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers to your projects, helping build communities around open source software projects. If you have an open source software project and you would like to attract developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - let us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present it / organise a workshop around the project. We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back - but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you can't make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all get together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source projects. Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a few heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or open source libraries that you think the community should / you would like to help out developing? From paolo.borzini at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 09:55:04 2015 From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:55:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Alain, thank you for the answer. In my app, I don't use the database, but the revspeech.bundle. The number error is that same but the description is different : ERROR ITMS-90511: "CFBundleIdentifier Collision. The Info.plist CFBundleIdentifier value 'com.runrev.revspeech' of 'PWGen.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revspeech.bundle' is already in use by another application." > Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac? I've use "App Wrapper 3" for sign and package my app for Mac. Now I've five apps into Mac App Store and I've used always App Wrapper. Paolo -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/error-ITMS-90511-tp4695025p4698392.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at viral.academy Tue Nov 3 11:01:34 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:01:34 +0000 Subject: LiveCode TV Rides Again! Message-ID: Except we'll use a different name, and different technology. If any of you remember LivCode TV it was a free community project we started a couple of years back to live stream coding sessions. Since then a huge amount of things have happened and I feel it is time we restart this project full of the new juicy open source goodies at our disposal. I've spend a while experimenting with new techniques in terms of screen casting, Hangouts on Air, mumble servers, and forms of documenting and screen-casting open source coding projects, and I'm really looking forwards to the Livecode TV's new season :) *What's the Focus?* The aim of the project is to give a space for the community to have fun researching and building projects together. A particular focus is the creation of open source libraries of general use to the community. If you have an open source project or library that you are working on, or would simply like to start working on with other people, get in touch on this thread, or off-list. *Principles and structure* All the projects we cover will be free culture . - Code projects we work on will be hosted on GitHub - they must be open source. - Project documentation will be Creative Commons licensed so that it is compatible with Wikipedia and other free culture archives. - Authors get accreditation for their code and their work. - Everyone will get their own writing and research space online - We will integrate time and bitcoin donations to community projects and individual teachers. - We work, code and research together asynchronously and with regular Happenings where we get together online or in physical space. - Small groups are good. 3-5 people working together can get a lot done. We are more interested in researching and making together than marketing. *Kick Off Event* We'll be starting and announcing this project at MozFest this coming weekend. If you are in London drop by and see us in the Science Strand. And I'll be following this up with a series of weekly events based around some open source code and libraries that I hope will be of general use to the community. *Technology* We are working closely with a number of great open source projects, and are not restricting what we do purely to Livecode. We are also interested in projects and code bases that play well with Livecode. One of these is Federated Wiki - http://www.wired.com/2012/07/wiki-inventor/ Federated Wiki is a social architecture in which every writer has their own personal writing space (wiki) but is able to share data, code and content with other people by forking pages, or dragging and dropping content from one site to another. You keep your own research notes, but you share them with other people with automatic Creative Commons attribution and full revision history. We have an early stage server and client implementation of Fedwiki in LiveCode, and we will be building on this project to integrate it with a number of other important technologies that provide robust API's (Github, Wikipedia, Slack, Gitter, IPFS, Ethereum and other Blockchain technologies). Starting next week we'll be looking at oAuth, Twitter and Facebook API's - and anything else people on this list suggest as interesting. From prothero at earthednet.org Tue Nov 3 11:07:52 2015 From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:07:52 -0800 Subject: LiveCode TV Rides Again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Awesome! Great idea and I hope to participate. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Nov 3, 2015, at 8:01 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > Except we'll use a different name, and different technology. > > If any of you remember LivCode TV it was a free community project we > started a couple of years back to live stream coding sessions. Since then a > huge amount of things have happened and I feel it is time we restart this > project full of the new juicy open source goodies at our disposal. > > I've spend a while experimenting with new techniques in terms of screen > casting, Hangouts on Air, mumble servers, and forms of documenting and > screen-casting open source coding projects, and I'm really looking forwards > to the Livecode TV's new season :) > > *What's the Focus?* > The aim of the project is to give a space for the community to have fun > researching and building projects together. A particular focus is the > creation of open source libraries of general use to the community. > > If you have an open source project or library that you are working on, or > would simply like to start working on with other people, get in touch on > this thread, or off-list. > > *Principles and structure* > All the projects we cover will be free culture > . > > - Code projects we work on will be hosted on GitHub - they must be open > source. > - Project documentation will be Creative Commons licensed so that it is > compatible with Wikipedia and other free culture archives. > - Authors get accreditation for their code and their work. > - Everyone will get their own writing and research space online > - We will integrate time and bitcoin donations to community projects and > individual teachers. > - We work, code and research together asynchronously and with regular > Happenings where we get together online or in physical space. > - Small groups are good. 3-5 people working together can get a lot done. > We are more interested in researching and making together than marketing. > > > *Kick Off Event* > We'll be starting and announcing this project at MozFest > this coming weekend. If you are in > London drop by and see us in the Science Strand. And I'll be following this > up with a series of weekly events based around some open source code and > libraries that I hope will be of general use to the community. > > *Technology* > We are working closely with a number of great open source projects, and are > not restricting what we do purely to Livecode. We are also interested in > projects and code bases that play well with Livecode. One of these is Federated > Wiki - > http://www.wired.com/2012/07/wiki-inventor/ > > Federated Wiki is a social architecture in which every writer has their own > personal writing space (wiki) but is able to share data, code and content > with other people by forking pages, or dragging and dropping content from > one site to another. You keep your own research notes, but you share them > with other people with automatic Creative Commons attribution and full > revision history. > > We have an early stage server and client implementation of Fedwiki in > LiveCode, and we will be building on this project to integrate it with a > number of other important technologies that provide robust API's (Github, > Wikipedia, Slack, Gitter, IPFS, Ethereum and other Blockchain technologies). > > Starting next week we'll be looking at oAuth, Twitter and Facebook API's - > and anything else people on this list suggest as interesting. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alain.vezina at logilangue.com Tue Nov 3 11:08:58 2015 From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:08:58 -0500 Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> Paolo, I use the same app and I never had any problem of that kind. I think I will do what Mark proposes. Alain Le 2015-11-03 à 09:55, Neurox66 a écrit : > Hi Alain, > thank you for the answer. > > In my app, I don't use the database, but the revspeech.bundle. > The number error is that same but the description is different : > ERROR ITMS-90511: "CFBundleIdentifier Collision. The Info.plist > CFBundleIdentifier value 'com.runrev.revspeech' of > 'PWGen.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revspeech.bundle' is already in use by > another application." > > >> Just a question, how do you sign and package your app for Mac? > > I've use "App Wrapper 3" for sign and package my app for Mac. > Now I've five apps into Mac App Store and I've used always App Wrapper. > > Paolo > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/error-ITMS-90511-tp4695025p4698392.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ali.lloyd at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 11:13:06 2015 From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:13:06 +0000 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 Message-ID: Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 8. Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your stacks before testing them. *Release contents* *Browser Widget* This feature introduces a new embeddable browser implemented as a widget, making it much easier to use than the old revbrowser external. To add a browser to your application, simply drag and drop the browser widget onto your stack and set the properties you need. The browser widget fulfils one of the Kickstarter goals, and also brings JavaScript integration to iOS and Android for the first time. Note: We recommend for the time being adding a browser widget to a stack using the Object > New Widget menu, due to the known issue described below with drag-drop from the tools palette. *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections* The PostgreSQL database driver has been updated to support secure connections. The desired SSL connection options can be specified as key value pairs in the additional parameters of revOpenDatabase. For full information on the new parameters see the dictionary entry for revOpenDatabase. *Improved clipboard and drag-and-drop support* It is now possible to put multiple types of data on the clipboard at the same time. For example, you can put an image on the clipboard along with text describing the image and some private data associated with the image. For more information, see the "fullClipboardData" and "fullDragData" entries in the dictionary. For apps requiring more sophisticated clipboard functionality, new "rawClipboardData" and "rawDragData" properties have also been added. These provide low-level access to the system clipboard. *Resize handles outside object rect* The resize handles of a selected object are now outside the rect of the object. Moreover the minimum width and height of an object when resizing via handles has been removed. *30 bug fixes* You can find the list of bug fixes in the menu Help > Release Notes, or from the download page referenced below. *Known Issues* - Cef Browser (and therefore the dictionary and browser widget) does not currently work on 32-bit Linux - HTML 5 standalones do not currently function when they contain extensions with dependencies. - The browser widget can cause delays and hangs, especially on Windows, when dragged from the tools palette. - Browser widget properties are not persistent. We hope to address at least the latter two issues for the next release. *Getting the release* You can get the release at http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ LiveCode 8 is still in development so we’d love to hear any feedback you have on it. There are a number of features that we’d like to implement but aren’t ready yet and the existing features are subject to change during development - we can’t guarantee that extensions written in Developer Previews will continue to work the same way in later versions. Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at http://quality.livecode.com/ We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93 The LiveCode Team From blueback09 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 11:24:33 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:24:33 -0800 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still young so there's plenty of room for new ideas. I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have any particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for my goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON text files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph description language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, there's the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library from Livecode? Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I haven't learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill wrote: > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are running > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry Pi's. > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers to > your projects, helping build communities around open source software > projects. > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to attract > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - let > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present it / > organise a workshop around the project. > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back - > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you can't > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all get > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source > projects. > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a few > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or open > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like to > help out developing? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From david at viral.academy Tue Nov 3 12:00:37 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:00:37 +0000 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd certainly join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs? On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier wrote: > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still young so > there's plenty of room for new ideas. > > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have any > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for my > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON text > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph description > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, there's > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library from > Livecode? > > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I haven't > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up. > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are > running > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry > Pi's. > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers > to > > your projects, helping build communities around open source software > > projects. > > > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to attract > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - let > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present it / > > organise a workshop around the project. > > > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back - > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you can't > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all get > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source > > projects. > > > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a > few > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or open > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like to > > help out developing? > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From paolo.borzini at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 12:06:08 2015 From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:06:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> Message-ID: <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Alain, after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case a RevSpeech.bundle. I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my CFBundleIdentifier and the error is disappeared :) But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error "Invalid Binary" I'll investigate Paolo -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/error-ITMS-90511-tp4695025p4698399.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From blueback09 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 12:37:10 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:37:10 -0800 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The focus is on a general purpose framework for modeling many orthogonal dimensions of information using entities and relationships. When the model is built correctly the information in it can be queried to produce many useful things, a subset of which are visuals like business/network graphs. But for my goal I won't have a use for business graphs any time soon, so the stuff I'm writing to display graph data is just networks. Livecode makes it relatively easy to draw stuff on the screen, so one of the things I'd like to give back to the community is a standardized interface for pushing graph data into a control and getting back queries for new data. I'm a new, self-taught coder and I didn't have all that much trouble implementing an array with graph data and several algorithms for processing it. Therefore I conclude that it should be pretty straight forward to implement all of the common expectations of a graphing library in Livecode. Whether or not it is memory efficient and/or scales at all well is a different question :) On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:00 AM, David Bovill wrote: > That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd certainly > join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs? > > On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier wrote: > > > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in > > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a > > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still young > so > > there's plenty of room for new ideas. > > > > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have > any > > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for my > > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the > > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON text > > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph > description > > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, there's > > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into > > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library > from > > Livecode? > > > > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I > haven't > > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up. > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill > wrote: > > > > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are > > running > > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry > > Pi's. > > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract developers > > to > > > your projects, helping build communities around open source software > > > projects. > > > > > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to > attract > > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - > let > > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present > it / > > > organise a workshop around the project. > > > > > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as a > > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years back > - > > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you > can't > > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online and > > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all > get > > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source > > > projects. > > > > > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from getting a > > few > > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or > open > > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like > to > > > help out developing? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 12:55:38 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:55:38 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net> On 11/03/2015 08:13 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > Dear list members, > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 8. I'm not quite so pleased. I had high hopes for this, but it launched once, I had to kill it, and now it just hangs with "loading Menubar". No third-party anything, no old preferences file to get in the way, removed the license file. LC8-dp7 still works correctly. Looking forward to dp9. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 13:06:19 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:06:19 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> I'm afraid that just froze my Xubuntu 14.04 64-bit rig. I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up. As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar everything locked up. Richmond. From irog at mac.com Tue Nov 3 13:09:28 2015 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 10:09:28 -0800 Subject: [ANN/OT] - Nice Review Of My LiveCode Simulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D7B2AB1-408B-41CC-B7BA-FFB7DA26FAE9@mac.com> Hi David, You are certainly welcome to use my AlienCivilizationDetection at MozFest. I would be honored, and I wish I could be there. Please keep in mind that I’m not a real programmer so my code is not sophisticated, to say the least. But then, one could make the point that the beauty of LiveCode is that boneheads like me can do things and stuff!! Off the top of my head, I would go at it like this: To best understand what’s physically being portrayed on the Simulation card, which is the focus of the app, I would go to the Tutorial card. A couple of minutes here will clear up a lot of confusion for those who have not thought before in terms of light-years and billions of years of existence/evolution. In fact, the ScaleOmatic card is an attempt to further enhance this kind of perspective. I suppose you could point out that ACD uses MonteCarlo methods and geometry in its simulation and then dive into the code on the simulation card. The growRings handler is the heart of the dynamics of the simulation and you could look at that. I’m not sure how far you want to go with this but I am happy to answer your questions. Perhaps we should go off-list for that? Thanks, Roger > On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:35 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > Hi Roger - I'm doing a workshop at Mozilla Festival in London this weekend > as part of the science strand - one of the sessions will be called "Live > Science", another we are focussing on astronomy and code - would be cool to > present Alien Civilization Detection at MozFest. > > Any thoughts on what would be useful - I'm particularly interested in > getting people actively involved in discussions and making. > > > On 3 November 2015 at 06:48, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> On 11/02/2015 04:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote: >> >>> I am very pleased to announce that my LiveCode app, >>> AlienCivilizationDetection was reviewed by Stephen Webb, the author of “If >>> The Universe Is Teeming with Aliens … Where Is Everybody?” here: >>> >> >> Congrats! Looks great. >> >> -- >> Mark Wieder >> ahsoftware at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 3 13:15:39 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:15:39 -0600 Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5638F9CB.1040800@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/3/2015 11:06 AM, Neurox66 wrote: > Hi Alain, > after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case a > RevSpeech.bundle. > I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my > CFBundleIdentifier and > the error is disappeared :) > But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error "Invalid > Binary" You can't change anything after the app is built, all changes have to be done before the build. Or you can use AppResigner to re-sign the app if you change it later (sorry, don't have a link handy.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Nov 3 13:26:37 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:26:37 -0500 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: See if you can Ctrl-F7, or Ctrl- to initiate a full-screen terminal session. If so, login and type "init 6" or "reboot" without the quotes. ~Roger On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Richmond wrote: > I'm afraid that just froze my Xubuntu 14.04 64-bit rig. > > I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up. > > As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar > everything locked up. > > Richmond. > From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 13:34:13 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:34:13 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net> References: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com> On 2015-11-03 18:55, Mark Wieder wrote: > I had high hopes for this, but it launched once, I had to kill it, and > now it just hangs with "loading Menubar". No third-party anything, no > old preferences file to get in the way, removed the license file. > LC8-dp7 still works correctly. Looking forward to dp9. Well, unfortunately, without more information (or 'luck') it is unlikely the situation will improve in dp-9. Given your existing bug report (http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617) I do wonder if this is something clipboard related. There are two things which could help us diagnose the problem: 1) A new strace log taken whilst launching and running the engine (as described in the aforementioned report). 2) The IDE 'Tools' log (this should be in ~/.runrev/logs IIRC). Other information which might help is the list of packages you have installed in your Linux system - in particular, do you have a clipboard manager, or any other similar 'helper' things installed? Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 13:36:07 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:36:07 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> On 2015-11-03 19:06, Richmond wrote: > I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up. > > As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar > everything locked up. When you say 'locked up' I take it you mean the entire desktop? This is less than ideal :) At least there seem to be two data points now - you and Mark Wieder seem to be having resource / lock-up type issues. Again, here, a list of packages you have installed on your system might help us see what the interaction is - in particular (assuming I'm right in thinking it could be clipboard related) do you have any clipboard manager / assistant type software installed on your system? Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Nov 3 13:39:13 2015 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:39:13 +0100 Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <5638F9CB.1040800@hyperactivesw.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> <5638F9CB.1040800@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > Am 03.11.2015 um 19:15 schrieb J. Landman Gay : > > On 11/3/2015 11:06 AM, Neurox66 wrote: >> Hi Alain, >> after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case a >> RevSpeech.bundle. >> I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my >> CFBundleIdentifier and >> the error is disappeared :) >> But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error "Invalid >> Binary" > > You can't change anything after the app is built, all changes have to be done before the build. Or you can use AppResigner to re-sign the app if you change it later (sorry, don't have a link handy.) > AppResigner Info and Download http://www.gorbster.net/blog/archives/273 > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 13:48:38 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:48:38 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> Message-ID: <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> On 03/11/15 20:36, Mark Waddingham wrote: > On 2015-11-03 19:06, Richmond wrote: >> I installed the 64-bit version as "You Only" and started LiveCode up. >> >> As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar >> everything locked up. > > When you say 'locked up' I take it you mean the entire desktop? > > This is less than ideal :) > > At least there seem to be two data points now - you and Mark Wieder > seem to be having resource / lock-up type issues. > > Again, here, a list of packages you have installed on your system > might help us see what the interaction is - in particular (assuming > I'm right in thinking it could be clipboard related) do you have any > clipboard manager / assistant type software installed on your system? > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342 No: I have no clipboard manager installed. I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of all my installed packages to the bug report: [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ] Richmond. From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 13:52:00 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:52:00 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2015-11-03 19:48, Richmond wrote: > Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342 > > > No: I have no clipboard manager installed. > > I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of > all my installed packages to the bug report: > > [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ] Great - that should mean we can replicate your system. Another thing you could try (assuming you don't mind perhaps having to do a reboot again!) is to try installing in a freshly created user account and running from there. This will help determine if it is any local (user-level) settings in the system which is causing the problem. (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)). Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 13:53:20 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:53:20 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563902A0.4090109@gmail.com> On 03/11/15 20:52, Mark Waddingham wrote: > On 2015-11-03 19:48, Richmond wrote: >> Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342 >> >> >> No: I have no clipboard manager installed. >> >> I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of >> all my installed packages to the bug report: >> >> [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ] > > Great - that should mean we can replicate your system. > > Another thing you could try (assuming you don't mind perhaps having to > do a reboot again!) is to try installing in a freshly created user > account and running from there. Some people are never satisfied :P OK, I'll get on with it. Richmond. > > This will help determine if it is any local (user-level) settings in > the system which is causing the problem. > > (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)). > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 13:54:12 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:54:12 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> Message-ID: <563902D4.2090203@ahsoftware.net> On 11/03/2015 10:36 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > When you say 'locked up' I take it you mean the entire desktop? In my case at least, the initial lockup took the desktop with it. Afterwards it's just LC. I can kill the process from a terminal prompt. > Again, here, a list of packages you have installed on your system might > help us see what the interaction is - in particular (assuming I'm right > in thinking it could be clipboard related) do you have any clipboard > manager / assistant type software installed on your system? And I can't speak for Richmond, but there's nothing like that in my system. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 14:00:01 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:00:01 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com> References: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net> <0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com> Message-ID: <56390431.8040303@ahsoftware.net> On 11/03/2015 10:34 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > 2) The IDE 'Tools' log (this should be in ~/.runrev/logs IIRC). Well, now, there's something interesting. The final entry in the Tools log is: Loading Menu Bar... Enter Menus Initialisation Trying to get the platform Linux -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 14:02:06 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:02:06 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563904AE.5020000@ahsoftware.net> On 11/03/2015 10:52 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)). I noticed the post, but I always install for all users. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 14:04:58 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:04:58 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563904AE.5020000@ahsoftware.net> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> <563904AE.5020000@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On 2015-11-03 20:02, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 11/03/2015 10:52 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > >> (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)). > > I noticed the post, but I always install for all users. Yes - but local user accounts can hold user-specific system settings. So whilst LiveCode might be installed for 'All Users' - it still runs in the context of the current user (unless of course you sudo it!). So however LiveCode is installed, trying in a completely fresh user account could still provide potentially useful information. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 14:10:01 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:10:01 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <3f8c1641a6aae5aa9f8dca46e51eb7dc@livecode.com> <56390186.5020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56390689.4000301@gmail.com> On 03/11/15 20:52, Mark Waddingham wrote: > On 2015-11-03 19:48, Richmond wrote: >> Just sent a bug report: Bug 16342 >> >> >> No: I have no clipboard manager installed. >> >> I have just attached an incredibly long, and incredibly boring list of >> all my installed packages to the bug report: >> >> [ dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ~/Desktop/packages ] > > Great - that should mean we can replicate your system. > > Another thing you could try (assuming you don't mind perhaps having to > do a reboot again!) is to try installing in a freshly created user > account and running from there. > > This will help determine if it is any local (user-level) settings in > the system which is causing the problem. > > (Same applies to Mark Wieder too - if he notices this post :)). > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > OK, I set up another user and did the "You Only" install, and everything installed correctly. On starting up LiveCode 8.0 DP8 the IDE got stuck at the "BIG 8" splash screen, I was able to 'kill' the process via the TaskManager. More details with the Bug report. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 14:16:11 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:16:11 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com> On 03/11/15 20:26, Roger Eller wrote: > See if you can Ctrl-F7, or Ctrl- to initiate a > full-screen terminal session. If so, login and type "init 6" or "reboot" > without the quotes. > > ~Roger > > I'm not entirely sure what the benefit would be. Richmond. From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 14:18:34 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:18:34 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com> On 2015-11-03 20:16, Richmond wrote: > I'm not entirely sure what the benefit would be. If the window server ('the xserver') completely crashes or freezes then you can usually still get to a terminal with the above keyboard shortcut to allow you to get back to a terminal (which doesn't run in the windowing system) allowing you to do a clean shutdown / restart. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 3 14:20:43 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:20:43 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <56390431.8040303@ahsoftware.net> References: <5638F51A.2090600@ahsoftware.net> <0c510c5edd788e20755cd63ac8df8552@livecode.com> <56390431.8040303@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <5639090B.7070500@ahsoftware.net> ...and I'll attach the full strace log to the same bug report, but it does appear that the last real entry in there is the clipboard. poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN|POLLOUT}], 1, 4294967295) = 1 ([{fd=3, revents=POLLOUT}]) writev(3, [{"\20\0\5\0\t\0`\4CLIPBOARD\261\222\0", 20}, {NULL, 0}, {"", 0}], 3) = 20 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 4294967295) = 1 ([{fd=3, revents=POLLIN}]) recvmsg(3, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"\1\0\n\1\0\0\0\0\225\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 4096}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 32 recvmsg(3, 0x7fff1cc79cc0, 0) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) recvmsg(3, 0x7fff1cc79cc0, 0) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0 (Timeout) poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN}], 3, 0) = 0 (Timeout) ...then loops forever -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 14:21:34 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:21:34 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com> <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com> Message-ID: <5639093E.7020600@gmail.com> On 03/11/15 21:18, Mark Waddingham wrote: > On 2015-11-03 20:16, Richmond wrote: >> I'm not entirely sure what the benefit would be. > > If the window server ('the xserver') completely crashes or freezes > then you can usually still get to a terminal with the above keyboard > shortcut to allow you to get back to a terminal (which doesn't run in > the windowing system) allowing you to do a clean shutdown / restart. > Ha, Ha, Ha: "clean" shutdowns, startups or restarts have never been part of my style :P R. > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 14:22:52 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:22:52 +0100 Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 2015-11-03 18:06, Neurox66 wrote: > Hi Alain, > after hours of test I think the problem is a bundle library, in my case > a > RevSpeech.bundle. > I've changed the CFBundleIdentifier 'com.runrev.revspeech' into my > CFBundleIdentifier and > the error is disappeared :) > But after upload on App Store, Apple send me an email with error > "Invalid > Binary" Just to reiterate what Jacque also said... After an app has been signed, you must not alter any part of it as that invalidates the code signature - so you need to make the changes before passing it through the program you are using to turn it into something you can upload to the appstore. Another possibility - it isn't clear from what you said whether you used the same CFBundleIdentifier in the revspeech.bundle as in your application plist. If so - this will likely cause the AppStore to complain. I suggest giving the revspeech.bundle an id of the form '.revspeech'. Which of course makes me realize there is something we could do to help here... http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16343 Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From warren at warrensweb.us Tue Nov 3 14:23:23 2015 From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:23:23 -0600 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563909AB.7000507@warrensweb.us> On 11/03/2015 12:06 PM, Richmond wrote: > > As soon as I clicked on one of the dropDown menus in revMenuBar > everything locked up. > > Richmond. > OpenSUSE 64bit with KDE Plasma5. I had no troubles opening this version, but get similar behavior to that which Richmond describes here except that it's not really frozen or "locked up". What happens here is that the main menu bar (top row) refuses to give up focus upon mouse-exit. The selected dropdown remains in the extended position. Moving to another menu item will open that dropdown which again refuses to retract when the mouse leaves. However, selecting any item/action from the dropdown list performs the selected task, closes the dropdown and everything goes back to normal until another menu item is selected. Warren From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 14:24:58 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:24:58 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <5639093E.7020600@gmail.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com> <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com> <5639093E.7020600@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2015-11-03 20:21, Richmond wrote: > "clean" shutdowns, startups or restarts have never been part of my > style :P Heh - I think it perhap less necessary these days due to advances in filesystems and their implementation... However, I do remember a time (many years ago) that failure to shutdown cleanly would sometimes result in 'nasty' messages on startup... Or just a very long wait whilst fsck (filesystem integrity checker) would run to make sure that nothing untoward had happened. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From mark at livecode.com Tue Nov 3 14:28:12 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:28:12 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563909AB.7000507@warrensweb.us> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <563909AB.7000507@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: On 2015-11-03 20:23, Warren Samples wrote: > OpenSUSE 64bit with KDE Plasma5. I had no troubles opening this > version, but get similar behavior to that which Richmond describes > ... > item/action from the dropdown list performs the selected task, closes > the dropdown and everything goes back to normal until another menu > item is selected. Hmmm - now *that* sounds like an unwanted side effect of this patch: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/3114 Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 14:52:11 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:52:11 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com> References: <5638F79B.7030808@gmail.com> <563907FB.8040202@gmail.com> <14c9bca12461861814c732848931038f@livecode.com> Message-ID: <5639106B.2020304@gmail.com> Pissing around with log files: Frankly I feel bloody silly, as, after the first run I deleted the clean user account. To get the log file I set up another clean account AND LiveCode 8.0 DP8 installed AND ran with NO obvious problems at all. All in the big report. Richmond. From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 15:47:31 2015 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:47:31 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections* Ooooh. Is this one going to back-port into 7? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com Tue Nov 3 19:16:07 2015 From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:16:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] lcStackBrowser v2.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446596167985-4698427.post@n4.nabble.com> As a user of lcStackBrowser, just want to say this latest release has completely replaced my need for the LC Project Browser. I was experiencing chronic crashes with LC's Project Browser. Those went away with lcStackBrowser. And it has reduced screen clutter from the IDE by gathering so much functionality into one window. Recommended! Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-lcStackBrowser-v2-2-1-tp4698375p4698427.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From roland.huettmann at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 19:59:57 2015 From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (Roland Huettmann) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:59:57 +0000 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do not know if this contribution applies here, but i see a need for a project about 2D and 3D text rendering. At least rendering text is something useful for a LiveCode project, in my point of view. Then what about drawing interactive relationship graphs for database application development defining database objects which will also be defining the databases inserting a middle layer, and at the same time in Livecode such database application could become live, using different themes and styles, allowing to enter data and using data browsing immediately? Then there is a business need to draw items interactively based on sizes and other attributes in vector formats, to store and display them. I would be very much interested in unlocking and accessing all kinds of APIs, such as Google, Gmail, or Skype, Viber, or Facebook, etc. >From a general user point of view: What about a Unified MyData Tool where all communication is hooked to one central place bringing together all my activities, all my mail, all my tasks and all my events under one roof? Roland On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, 18:38 Matt Maier wrote: > The focus is on a general purpose framework for modeling many orthogonal > dimensions of information using entities and relationships. When the model > is built correctly the information in it can be queried to produce many > useful things, a subset of which are visuals like business/network graphs. > But for my goal I won't have a use for business graphs any time soon, so > the stuff I'm writing to display graph data is just networks. > > Livecode makes it relatively easy to draw stuff on the screen, so one of > the things I'd like to give back to the community is a standardized > interface for pushing graph data into a control and getting back queries > for new data. I'm a new, self-taught coder and I didn't have all that much > trouble implementing an array with graph data and several algorithms for > processing it. Therefore I conclude that it should be pretty straight > forward to implement all of the common expectations of a graphing library > in Livecode. Whether or not it is memory efficient and/or scales at all > well is a different question :) > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:00 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > > That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd certainly > > join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs? > > > > On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier wrote: > > > > > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in > > > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to do a > > > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still > young > > so > > > there's plenty of room for new ideas. > > > > > > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't have > > any > > > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful for > my > > > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store the > > > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON > text > > > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph > > description > > > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, > there's > > > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into > > > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library > > from > > > Livecode? > > > > > > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I > > haven't > > > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up. > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill > > wrote: > > > > > > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are > > > running > > > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and Raspberry > > > Pi's. > > > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract > developers > > > to > > > > your projects, helping build communities around open source software > > > > projects. > > > > > > > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to > > attract > > > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at MozFest - > > let > > > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can present > > it / > > > > organise a workshop around the project. > > > > > > > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions as > a > > > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years > back > > - > > > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you > > can't > > > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online > and > > > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can all > > get > > > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open source > > > > projects. > > > > > > > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from > getting a > > > few > > > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about or > > open > > > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would like > > to > > > > help out developing? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From david at viral.academy Tue Nov 3 20:32:09 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:32:09 +0000 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roland: On Wednesday, 4 November 2015, Roland Huettmann wrote: > > > I would be very much interested in unlocking and accessing all kinds of > APIs, such as Google, Gmail, or Skype, Viber, or Facebook, etc. I can definitely contribute to working on and providing existing code for a number of these api's. Integrating LiveCode with some of these Restful api's by providing documented libraries and sample stacks would be great. Let's start with whatever people have, and look at the current state of open source code for API's? >From a general user point of view: What about a Unified MyData Tool where > all communication is hooked to one central place bringing together all my > activities, all my mail, all my tasks and all my events under one roof? dAT is an interesting project > > Roland > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, 18:38 Matt Maier > > wrote: > > > The focus is on a general purpose framework for modeling many orthogonal > > dimensions of information using entities and relationships. When the > model > > is built correctly the information in it can be queried to produce many > > useful things, a subset of which are visuals like business/network > graphs. > > But for my goal I won't have a use for business graphs any time soon, so > > the stuff I'm writing to display graph data is just networks. > > > > Livecode makes it relatively easy to draw stuff on the screen, so one of > > the things I'd like to give back to the community is a standardized > > interface for pushing graph data into a control and getting back queries > > for new data. I'm a new, self-taught coder and I didn't have all that > much > > trouble implementing an array with graph data and several algorithms for > > processing it. Therefore I conclude that it should be pretty straight > > forward to implement all of the common expectations of a graphing library > > in Livecode. Whether or not it is memory efficient and/or scales at all > > well is a different question :) > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:00 AM, David Bovill > wrote: > > > > > That sounds like a great topic for a small research group. I'd > certainly > > > join in. Do you mean business graphs, or general network graphs? > > > > > > On 3 November 2015 at 16:24, Matt Maier > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm building an open source graph manipulation and drawing library in > > > > Livecode. The point is for it to be modular but I'm building it to > do a > > > > specific thing right now, so it isn't all that modular. It's still > > young > > > so > > > > there's plenty of room for new ideas. > > > > > > > > I could use help in the more official "graph" areas since I don't > have > > > any > > > > particular background in graphs, they just turned out to be useful > for > > my > > > > goals. For example, I'd like to find out if it makes sense to store > the > > > > graphs in a graph database (ATM I'm just exporting the array to JSON > > text > > > > files). It would also be nice to find out if an existing graph > > > description > > > > language will work or if I have to define my own. And, of course, > > there's > > > > the fun of trying to optimize the algorithms to allow more nodes into > > > > memory. Maybe someone knows how to just use an existing graph library > > > from > > > > Livecode? > > > > > > > > Also, I'm planning to make a widget for displaying the graphs but I > > > haven't > > > > learned LCB yet. Someone who already knows LCB could speed that up. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > This weekend at MozFest - https://2015.mozillafestival.org/ we are > > > > running > > > > > a series of workshops over the weekend using Livecode, and > Raspberry > > > > Pi's. > > > > > We are looking to raise interest in Livecode, and to attract > > developers > > > > to > > > > > your projects, helping build communities around open source > software > > > > > projects. > > > > > > > > > > If you have an open source software project and you would like to > > > attract > > > > > developers, or volunteers to the project, and present it at > MozFest - > > > let > > > > > us know about the project either here or off-list and we can > present > > > it / > > > > > organise a workshop around the project. > > > > > > > > > > We will be helping to organise a series of online coding sessions > as > > a > > > > > successor to the LiveCode TV project we started a couple of years > > back > > > - > > > > > but with a new platform and new methodology. This means even if you > > > can't > > > > > make it to MozFest this weekend in London, you can take part online > > and > > > > > follow this up with regular weekly coding sessions, where we can > all > > > get > > > > > together code, talk, and generally hang out around great open > source > > > > > projects. > > > > > > > > > > Any proposals or thoughts on projects that could benefit from > > getting a > > > > few > > > > > heads around it, or new topics that you would like to learn about > or > > > open > > > > > source libraries that you think the community should / you would > like > > > to > > > > > help out developing? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 3 21:27:45 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:27:45 -0800 Subject: Call for LiveCode projects: LiveCode and Science at MozFest this weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56396D21.8090708@fourthworld.com> David Bovill wrote: > I can definitely contribute to working on and providing existing code for > a number of these api's. Integrating LiveCode with some of these Restful > api's by providing documented libraries and sample stacks would be great. > > Let's start with whatever people have, and look at the current state of > open source code for API's? Do we have a current robust OAuth2 lib in the community? So much depends on that red wheel barrow.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From blueback09 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 22:59:30 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:59:30 -0800 Subject: community DP7 variable watcher empty Message-ID: I'm using Community DP7 on Windows 8.1 and the variable watcher isn't showing me anything inside of my array(s). It will show the first line of whatever's in there in the watcher itself, but when I click the little expand button to see everything the window is always blank. Is anyone else having that problem? From johnpatten at me.com Tue Nov 3 23:44:47 2015 From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:44:47 -0800 Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files? Message-ID: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com> Hi All, I just noticed that the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows to set the visible of the widget. Is setting the visible possible in the previous CEFBrowser? I don’t think I had noticed that in the old browser object… Also, are these widgets going to be compatible in iOS/Android too, and if so how would I set the browser to open a local file? Normally I would do a: put revBrowserOpenCEF (the windowId of this stack, "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html") into sBrowserID …and it works. I tried different flavors of this in the browser widget with no success. Thanks in advance! John Patten SUSD From monte at appisle.net Wed Nov 4 00:07:48 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:07:48 +1100 Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files? In-Reply-To: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com> References: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com> Message-ID: <376F4CE4-D0E0-48B4-8E36-B0A34306F5D2@appisle.net> I haven’t looked at it but I suspect there would be a property like url: Try: set the url of widget “X” to "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html” If that doesn’t work then there must be some browser widget docs in there. > On 4 Nov 2015, at 3:44 pm, JOHN PATTEN wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just noticed that the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows to set the visible of the widget. Is setting the visible possible in the previous CEFBrowser? I don’t think I had noticed that in the old browser object… > > Also, are these widgets going to be compatible in iOS/Android too, and if so how would I set the browser to open a local file? > > Normally I would do a: > > put revBrowserOpenCEF (the windowId of this stack, "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html") into sBrowserID > > …and it works. I tried different flavors of this in the browser widget with no success. > > Thanks in advance! > > John Patten > SUSD > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From johnpatten at me.com Wed Nov 4 00:12:15 2015 From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:12:15 -0800 Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files? In-Reply-To: <376F4CE4-D0E0-48B4-8E36-B0A34306F5D2@appisle.net> References: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com> <376F4CE4-D0E0-48B4-8E36-B0A34306F5D2@appisle.net> Message-ID: <73D27771-E649-4D56-AC12-63430CDA6420@me.com> Thanks Monte! That was it :) > On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html” From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 4 00:20:25 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:20:25 -0800 Subject: on-rev forums? Message-ID: <56399599.8070006@ahsoftware.net> I accidentally got to the on-rev forums this afternoon instead of the livecode forums, so I thought I'd log on and see what's new. [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /index.php on line 86: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /index.php on line 86: getdate(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3778: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /includes/functions.php:3184) [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3780: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /includes/functions.php:3184) [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3781: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /includes/functions.php:3184) [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions.php on line 3782: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /includes/functions.php:3184) plus it threw 500s getting cron.php?cron_type=queue -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From bogdanoff at me.com Wed Nov 4 01:30:54 2015 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 22:30:54 -0800 Subject: Quitting Runtime in Windows Message-ID: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com> I’m on a Mac. In Windows, what is the key combination to quit a runtime? Alt + ? Peter Bogdanoff From monte at appisle.net Wed Nov 4 01:31:08 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:31:08 +1100 Subject: [ANN] mergExt iOS 9.1 releases Message-ID: <5ADDF366-9A8F-4305-A2FF-123B72074E68@appisle.net> Hi LiveCoders I have just uploaded new builds of all my iOS externals to support iOS 9.1 using the latest versions of Xcode and LiveCode. Also a friendly reminder that the 3 year special ends on Sunday http://mergext .com/special Cheers Monte From mark at livecode.com Wed Nov 4 01:40:50 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:40:50 +0000 Subject: Browser Widget and loading local files? In-Reply-To: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com> References: <208E1B64-C23A-45EE-80CA-D3DA04B3FE80@me.com> Message-ID: <08D33BF1-6045-4E29-BFBF-C0002CF83367@livecode.com> The browser widget works on Mac, Windows, Linux 64-bit, Android and iOS. Warmest Regards, Mark. Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Nov 2015, at 04:44, JOHN PATTEN wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just noticed that the browser widget in LiveCode 8 allows to set the visible of the widget. Is setting the visible possible in the previous CEFBrowser? I don’t think I had noticed that in the old browser object… > > Also, are these widgets going to be compatible in iOS/Android too, and if so how would I set the browser to open a local file? > > Normally I would do a: > > put revBrowserOpenCEF (the windowId of this stack, "file:" & specialFolderpath("documents") & "/PanoWeaverFinal/pano3/_html5/pano3.html") into sBrowserID > > …and it works. I tried different flavors of this in the browser widget with no success. > > Thanks in advance! > > John Patten > SUSD > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From paolo.borzini at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 02:02:18 2015 From: paolo.borzini at gmail.com (Neurox66) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:02:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: error ITMS-90511 In-Reply-To: References: <855D936A-6A59-4CD0-B38F-48021A6CCBD1@logilangue.com> <1446539191277-4698385.post@n4.nabble.com> <1446562504029-4698392.post@n4.nabble.com> <157B45DB-9B02-461D-A74F-DF6B1F071BD2@logilangue.com> <1446570368532-4698399.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1446620538813-4698439.post@n4.nabble.com> Hello to all, thanks for the answers. Unfortunately I realized: my English is very bad, also I've failed to explain my problem. In four years I've been published for the Mac Apple store more than fifteen applications including five in my name. I know that cannot modify the app after been signed. I had also already tried to use AppResigner and gives me this error: /Users/TWF/Documents/LiveCode/PWGen/definitivi/PWGen/PWGen.app/: code object is not signed at all In subcomponent: /Users/TWF/Documents/LiveCode/PWGen/definitivi/PWGen/PWGen.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/revspeech.bundle With AppWrapper3 I've tried plugging in the plist file CFBundleID unique, as required by Apple but in vain :-( Are there any other LC coder who submitted to the Mac App Store (not iOS) apps that use revSpeech or others .bundle? Regards, Paolo -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/error-ITMS-90511-tp4695025p4698439.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Nov 4 02:24:43 2015 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:24:43 +0100 Subject: AW: Quitting Runtime in Windows In-Reply-To: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com> References: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com> Message-ID: <004401d116d1$e0c35a50$a24a0ef0$@kestner.de> Alt + F4 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Peter Bogdanoff Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2015 07:31 An: How to use LiveCode Betreff: Quitting Runtime in Windows I’m on a Mac. In Windows, what is the key combination to quit a runtime? Alt + ? Peter Bogdanoff _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bogdanoff at me.com Wed Nov 4 02:28:56 2015 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:28:56 -0800 Subject: Quitting Runtime in Windows In-Reply-To: <004401d116d1$e0c35a50$a24a0ef0$@kestner.de> References: <31516B3C-E161-4064-A03B-2D3D30C01979@me.com> <004401d116d1$e0c35a50$a24a0ef0$@kestner.de> Message-ID: <769E7C08-C343-4FEA-B2A0-530AD41648D3@me.com> thanks. On Nov 3, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Alt + F4 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Peter Bogdanoff > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2015 07:31 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Quitting Runtime in Windows > > I’m on a Mac. > > In Windows, what is the key combination to quit a runtime? Alt + ? > > Peter Bogdanoff > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peter.brett at livecode.com Wed Nov 4 02:59:44 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:59:44 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2015-11-03 21:47, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Ali Lloyd > wrote: > >> *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections* > > > Ooooh. > > Is this one going to back-port into 7? At the moment, there are no plans for a backport. It's probably not a good idea anyway -- adding new features to a "stable" release series is a frequent cause of regressions and unhappy users. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode on reddit! From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Nov 4 03:20:49 2015 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:49 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F445192-D5FB-49D0-B82A-8C4D9A38B59C@derbrill.de> > At the moment, there are no plans for a backport. It's probably not a good idea anyway -- adding new features to a "stable" release series is a frequent cause of regressions and unhappy users. Is it still an external? If so, we could try at our own risk if it would work with 7. As 8 is still a bit down the road this might come in handy… All the best, Malte From mark at livecode.com Wed Nov 4 03:25:41 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:25:41 +0100 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <8F445192-D5FB-49D0-B82A-8C4D9A38B59C@derbrill.de> References: <8F445192-D5FB-49D0-B82A-8C4D9A38B59C@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <69995ad63aa112dd1062f6e163612ead@livecode.com> On 2015-11-04 09:20, Malte Brill wrote: > Is it still an external? If so, we could try at our own risk if it > would work with 7. As 8 is still a bit down the road this might come > in handy It is 'just' the dbpostgres driver which has changed - so, yes, you are more than welcome to try that. However, it isn't a configuration (7.x + updated dbdrivers) we are planning on officially supporting but if it works for you then there's no harm. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From gmcrev at tpg.com.au Wed Nov 4 06:26:19 2015 From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:26:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester Message-ID: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com> I have uploaded DropboxAPI_2_tester.livecode to RevOnline: http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/794/DropboxAPI_2_tester This demonstrates all the calls in v2 of the Dropbox API. It uses the FASTJSON v0.4.1 library of Bob Hall. Thanks Bob for this work. https://github.com/bhall2001/fastjson Guglielmo Braguglia published a dropbox library for API v1 http://www.phoenixsea.ch/downloads/Livecode/phxDropboxLib.zip A free library for v2 of the Dropbox API is needed for the community to use. Hopefully this stack will be an easy starting point for that. -- Gerard McCarthy gmcrev at tpg.com.au ----- Gerard -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-DropboxAPI-2-tester-tp4698445.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikedoub at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 08:50:26 2015 From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:50:26 -0500 Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester In-Reply-To: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <563A0D22.7060800@gmail.com> Thanks Gerard. I have been trying to work thru the steps within you getting started page. I am stuck on step 3 where you say "Click Submit Call". Can you clarify that a bit? I don't see anything that looks like a submit call button. Regards, Mike On 11/4/15 6:26 AM, gmcrev wrote: > I have uploaded DropboxAPI_2_tester.livecode to RevOnline: > http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/794/DropboxAPI_2_tester > This demonstrates all the calls in v2 of the Dropbox API. > > It uses the FASTJSON v0.4.1 library of Bob Hall. Thanks Bob for this work. > https://github.com/bhall2001/fastjson > > Guglielmo Braguglia published a dropbox library for API v1 > http://www.phoenixsea.ch/downloads/Livecode/phxDropboxLib.zip > > A free library for v2 of the Dropbox API is needed for the community to use. > Hopefully this stack will be an easy starting point for that. > From gmcrev at tpg.com.au Wed Nov 4 09:39:39 2015 From: gmcrev at tpg.com.au (gmcrev) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:39:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] DropboxAPI_2_tester In-Reply-To: <563A0D22.7060800@gmail.com> References: <1446636379618-4698445.post@n4.nabble.com> <563A0D22.7060800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1446647979249-4698447.post@n4.nabble.com> Sorry Michael. Typos. should read Step 3: Get User Account ID from https://dropbox.github.io/dropbox-api-v2-explorer/#get_current_account 1. Paste in Access Token from Step 2 2. Click Submit Call 3. Copy the value of the account_id from the Response (without the quotes) 4. Paste it in the UserAccountID field This can also be gotten by using users-get_current_account in the API2callsList within the livecode stack. ----- Gerard -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-DropboxAPI-2-tester-tp4698445p4698447.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 4 09:57:37 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:57:37 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> Peter TB Brett wrote: > On 2015-11-03 21:47, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: >> >>> *SSL Support for PostgreSQL Connections* >> >> Ooooh. >> >> Is this one going to back-port into 7? > > At the moment, there are no plans for a backport. It's probably not > a good idea anyway -- adding new features to a "stable" release > series is a frequent cause of regressions and unhappy users. Agreed. The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered. Clearly it should go in v7.2. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 4 12:04:45 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:04:45 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <563A3AAD.1090806@ahsoftware.net> On 11/04/2015 06:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Agreed. The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered. > > Clearly it should go in v7.2. > LOL -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 4 12:06:19 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:06:19 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> On 11/04/2015 06:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Agreed. The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered. Er... wait... there's a stable 7.1.1 release? -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Wed Nov 4 12:49:39 2015 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:49:39 +0000 Subject: LC 8.0 dp8... cannot copy Message-ID: Just tried to run a stack under LC 8 Everything is fine under LC7.1, there are a couple of folders and a couple of files in the 'copy files' pane... Everything loads as it should.. No problem Under LC 8 I get an error message... Cannot copy /Users/johndixon/Desktop/rugby/otherlogos/cal.png Clicking the 'OK' button just brings up a second answer dialog... Unable to build for simulation.Cannot copy /Users/johndixon/Desktop/rugby/otherlogos/cal.png I have checked the folders and the files, they are fine... I have gone back to using 7.1 and everything loads in the simulator... but go back to LC 8 and the 'dialogs' return ...:-( any ideas ? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 4 13:26:02 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 10:26:02 -0800 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff Message-ID: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> I came across this article yesterday about QT updating issues and its security implications, which reminded me of the recent discussion about this on the list: This got me thinking: LC 8's Builder seems to be coming along well, with foreign handlers, refined drawing control, etc. Given what's in place now, would this be a practical time to consider using Builder to implement the Kickstarter goal of "Improved cross-platform multimedia support"? A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable Kickstarter goals, yes? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From klaus at major-k.de Wed Nov 4 13:29:28 2015 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:29:28 +0100 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff In-Reply-To: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, > Am 04.11.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Richard Gaskin : > > I came across this article yesterday about QT updating issues and its security implications, which reminded me of the recent discussion about this on the list: > > > This got me thinking: > > LC 8's Builder seems to be coming along well, with foreign handlers, refined drawing control, etc. > Given what's in place now, would this be a practical time to consider using Builder to implement the Kickstarter goal of "Improved cross-platform multimedia support"? > A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable Kickstarter goals, yes? a thousand times YES! And it should also handle imported video/audio clips, if possible! 8-) > -- > Richard Gaskin Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Nov 4 13:42:24 2015 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:42:24 -0500 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff In-Reply-To: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within > the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use > case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable > Kickstarter goals, yes? > Hopefully the work that was done to create the browser widget in DP-8 laid the necessary foundation for the multimedia control. Given my (limited) understanding, it appears that displaying a browser in a widget and sending callbacks uses the same underlying widget features that displaying a media player would require. I could be at off though. -- Trevor DeVore From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 14:19:06 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:19:06 -0400 Subject: What is "Open Language"? Message-ID: Hi Bernard, on Tue Nov 3, Bernard Devlin wrote: > I believe that the Hypertalk 2.2 Reference book > (Jeanne de Voto et. al) has a BNF diagram of > the language at the end. I could be mistaken, > as my copy of the book has been in storage for > a number of years. But if I remember correctly, > then it seems at least at that stage the language > was not too loosey-goosey. Many Thanks for this information. Jeanne publish this BNF diagram in her website: http://www.jaedworks.com/hypercard/scripts/hypertalk-bnf.html Al From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 14:44:36 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:44:36 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> On 04/11/15 19:06, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 11/04/2015 06:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Agreed. The v7.1.1 Stable release should not be altered. > > Er... wait... there's a stable 7.1.1 release? > To be honest I haven't looked in the stable for a while: last time I was there there were 4 horses, 17 cows and an awful lot of rather smelly straw from fouled winter bedding. Richmond. From kevin at livecode.com Wed Nov 4 15:38:51 2015 From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:38:51 +0000 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff In-Reply-To: References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also do other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls you create using syntax as widgets. It seems my non-coding pensioner parents are finally getting the point of widgets too. Tonight they came round to deliver some meals they had made for me, with a dish labeled ³a widget of apple sauce, to be reused for different meals². Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps On 04/11/2015 18:42, "use-livecode on behalf of Trevor DeVore" wrote: >On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Richard Gaskin > >wrote: >> >> >> A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within >> the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use >> case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable >> Kickstarter goals, yes? >> > >Hopefully the work that was done to create the browser widget in >DP-8 laid the necessary foundation for the multimedia control. Given my >(limited) understanding, it appears that displaying a browser in a widget >and sending callbacks uses the same underlying widget features that >displaying a media player would require. I could be at off though. > >-- >Trevor DeVore >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 4 15:46:01 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:46:01 -0800 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563A6E89.5020103@fourthworld.com> Kevin Miller wrote: > Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget > architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the > groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also do > other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls you > create using syntax as widgets. Very exciting. What is the release date for v8.0 Stable, and in which version might we expect the new player-like control? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From kevin at livecode.com Wed Nov 4 15:53:38 2015 From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:53:38 +0000 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff In-Reply-To: <563A6E89.5020103@fourthworld.com> References: <563A6E89.5020103@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Good question. We do have an answer. We¹ll think through carefully how best to set expectations here and post a more detailed response on this in the morning. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps On 04/11/2015 20:46, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin" wrote: >Kevin Miller wrote: > >> Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget >> architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the >> groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also >>do >> other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls >>you >> create using syntax as widgets. > >Very exciting. > >What is the release date for v8.0 Stable, and in which version might we >expect the new player-like control? > >-- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ____________________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Wed Nov 4 16:27:48 2015 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:27:48 -0500 Subject: QT/Win vulnerability and strutting Builder's stuff In-Reply-To: References: <563A4DBA.3040609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Pass the native fields, please. Try some android sauce. It's like apple sauce, but better for you. ;) Dessert anyone? There's Raspberry Pi. ~Roger On Nov 4, 2015 3:39 PM, "Kevin Miller" wrote: > Indeed, that is a big part of the point of all this work on the widget > architecture. Multimedia will of course be a widget and a lot of the > groundwork is now there with the work done for the browser. We can also do > other things very quickly now, like wrap the existing mobile controls you > create using syntax as widgets. > > It seems my non-coding pensioner parents are finally getting the point of > widgets too. Tonight they came round to deliver some meals they had made > for me, with a dish labeled ³a widget of apple sauce, to be reused for > different meals². > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > > > > On 04/11/2015 18:42, "use-livecode on behalf of Trevor DeVore" > lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote: > > >On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Richard Gaskin > > > >wrote: > >> > >> > >> A new player-like control wouldn't need editable text, so if it's within > >> the scope of what Builder can do today perhaps it's not only a good use > >> case for showing off Builder but also knocks one of the most desirable > >> Kickstarter goals, yes? > >> > > > >Hopefully the work that was done to create the browser widget in > >DP-8 laid the necessary foundation for the multimedia control. Given my > >(limited) understanding, it appears that displaying a browser in a widget > >and sending callbacks uses the same underlying widget features that > >displaying a media player would require. I could be at off though. > > > >-- > >Trevor DeVore > >_______________________________________________ > >use-livecode mailing list > >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >subscription preferences: > >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dochawk at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 16:32:59 2015 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:32:59 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Er... wait... there's a stable 7.1.1 release? > If there is, is there somewhere we can download? :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Wed Nov 4 19:33:26 2015 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:33:26 +0000 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited Message-ID: In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-Bègles I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as ... Bordeaux-BÈgles from within a card script :- put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" & theLeague into theURL put URL theURL into temp put temp into theFixtures within the corresponding .lc script :- if tAction = "fixtures" then put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM fixtures where league='" & thedivision & "' ;") put it into temp put temp revCloseDataBase theDataRef quit end if if I change put temp into theFixtures to put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time again... Help... please... I want my è back :-) From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 19:42:48 2015 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:42:48 +0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Richmond wrote: > > To be honest I haven't looked in the stable for a while: last time I was > there there were 4 horses, 17 cows and an awful lot of rather smelly > straw from fouled winter bedding. > > The way transients are streaming through Europe at the moment chances are if you look in 7.1 weeks time there'll be a couple and a baby in there as well; and once their there you'll be getting all sorts of visitors.;-) From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 4 19:51:36 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:51:36 -0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John, Sounds like you're using LC7 since I see textDecode in there. I don;t know enough about the URL side of things but I think the issue on the database side is what you are doing when you INSERT or UPDATE the data. It needs to be textEncoded at that point. After that, you need to textDecode it every time you SELECT it. If you haven't textEncoded the data, you'll need to write a script that takes care of that. I haven't tried this but I think if you SELECT every record in your database without textDecoding it, then textEncode it and UPDATE it back into the database, that will fix it. Please try this on a copy of your database, not the live version! Once you've done that and added the textEncode/textDecode logic to your database handlers, I think you'll get your è back! Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John Dixon wrote: > In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-Bègles > I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as ... > Bordeaux-BÈgles > > from within a card script :- > > put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" & > theLeague into theURL > put URL theURL into temp > put temp into theFixtures > > within the corresponding .lc script :- > > if tAction = "fixtures" then > put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision > > get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM fixtures > where league='" & thedivision & "' ;") > put it into temp > put temp > revCloseDataBase theDataRef > quit > end if > > if I change > put temp into theFixtures > to > put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures > > the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not > appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time > again... > > Help... please... I want my è back :-) > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Wed Nov 4 19:59:55 2015 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:59:55 +0000 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yes I am using LC7... I should have mentioned that... Peter, thank you for your suggestion, I will try that..:-) I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging to someone else, that had never seen liveCode before ? > Hi John, > Sounds like you're using LC7 since I see textDecode in there. > > I don;t know enough about the URL side of things but I think the issue on > the database side is what you are doing when you INSERT or UPDATE the > data. It needs to be textEncoded at that point. After that, you need to > textDecode it every time you SELECT it. > > If you haven't textEncoded the data, you'll need to write a script that > takes care of that. I haven't tried this but I think if you SELECT every > record in your database without textDecoding it, then textEncode it and > UPDATE it back into the database, that will fix it. Please try this on a > copy of your database, not the live version! > > Once you've done that and added the textEncode/textDecode logic to your > database handlers, I think you'll get your è back! > > Pete > lcSQL Software > Home of lcStackBrowser and > SQLiteAdmin > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John Dixon wrote: > > > In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-Bègles > > I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as ... > > Bordeaux-BÈgles > > > > from within a card script :- > > > > put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" & > > theLeague into theURL > > put URL theURL into temp > > put temp into theFixtures > > > > within the corresponding .lc script :- > > > > if tAction = "fixtures" then > > put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision > > > > get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM fixtures > > where league='" & thedivision & "' ;") > > put it into temp > > put temp > > revCloseDataBase theDataRef > > quit > > end if > > > > if I change > > put temp into theFixtures > > to > > put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures > > > > the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not > > appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time > > again... > > > > Help... please... I want my è back :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 20:06:39 2015 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:06:39 +0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As Peter says. This statement appears in the textDecode entry in the Dictionary but for some strange reason not in the textEncode entry. It says it all: It is highly recommended that any time you interface with things outside LiveCode (files, network sockets, processes, etc) that you explicitly textEncode any text you send outside LiveCode and textDecode all text received into LiveCode. If this doesn't happen, a platform-dependent encoding will be used (which normally does not support Unicode text). As stated this includes simple things like reading a text file into LC and includes sending to and receiving from any flavour of database. It also includes things like using shell - have been tripped up when using ls and other shell file utilities that involve file names with accented chars. HTH From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 4 20:06:56 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:06:56 -0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would depend if they had been properly encoding the data in the database or not. If yes, then using textDecode when SELECTing should get you the correct results. If no, you'd need to do the one-time conversion I described (assuming it works of course!). Pete Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John Dixon wrote: > > > Yes I am using LC7... I should have mentioned that... > Peter, thank you for your suggestion, I will try that..:-) > > I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented > chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging > to someone else, that had never seen liveCode before ? > > > Hi John, > > Sounds like you're using LC7 since I see textDecode in there. > > > > I don;t know enough about the URL side of things but I think the issue on > > the database side is what you are doing when you INSERT or UPDATE the > > data. It needs to be textEncoded at that point. After that, you need to > > textDecode it every time you SELECT it. > > > > If you haven't textEncoded the data, you'll need to write a script that > > takes care of that. I haven't tried this but I think if you SELECT every > > record in your database without textDecoding it, then textEncode it and > > UPDATE it back into the database, that will fix it. Please try this on a > > copy of your database, not the live version! > > > > Once you've done that and added the textEncode/textDecode logic to your > > database handlers, I think you'll get your è back! > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > Home of lcStackBrowser and > > SQLiteAdmin > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John Dixon > wrote: > > > > > In a mySQL database I have a name... Bordeaux-Bègles > > > I call it from the database into a liveCode stack and it comes out as > ... > > > Bordeaux-BÈgles > > > > > > from within a card script :- > > > > > > put "http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/rugbyapp/rugby.lc?A=fixtures&thediv=" > & > > > theLeague into theURL > > > put URL theURL into temp > > > put temp into theFixtures > > > > > > within the corresponding .lc script :- > > > > > > if tAction = "fixtures" then > > > put $_GET["thediv"] into thedivision > > > > > > get revDataFromQuery( tab, return, theDataRef, "SELECT * FROM > fixtures > > > where league='" & thedivision & "' ;") > > > put it into temp > > > put temp > > > revCloseDataBase theDataRef > > > quit > > > end if > > > > > > if I change > > > put temp into theFixtures > > > to > > > put textdecode(temp,"UTF-8") into thefixtures > > > > > > the I get Bordeaux-Bgles... the e, never mind the accent does not > > > appear... I seem to bang my head against a wall over this time and time > > > again... > > > > > > Help... please... I want my è back :-) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 4 20:08:26 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:08:26 -0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree, it is strange it's not in the textEncode entry, never noticed that. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > As Peter says. This statement appears in the textDecode entry in the > Dictionary but for some strange reason not in the textEncode entry. It says > it all: > > It is highly recommended that any time you interface with things outside > LiveCode (files, network sockets, processes, etc) that you explicitly > textEncode any text you send outside LiveCode and textDecode all text > received into LiveCode. If this doesn't happen, a platform-dependent > encoding will be used (which normally does not support Unicode text). > > As stated this includes simple things like reading a text file into LC and > includes sending to and receiving from any flavour of database. It also > includes things like using shell - have been tripped up when using ls and > other shell file utilities that involve file names with accented chars. > HTH > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 20:16:50 2015 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:16:50 +0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, John Dixon wrote: > I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented > chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging > to someone else, that had never seen liveCode before ? > > The same still applies. If any db Admin utility can look at the mySQL db and the data appears correctly, then if you textDecode data you SELECT then it will appear in your LC app correctly. If you textEncode the data before you UPDATE or INSERT it back into the mySQL db then it will appear correctly in all those other db Admin utilities. Basically these other db Admin utilities should have been written to do the equivalent of what you are required to do in LC. They should decode the data for presentation on their particular platform - Win, Mac, Linux, and encode any data they put back in. HTH From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 4 20:26:20 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:26:20 -0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kay's right. You can define the encoding to be used in an SQL database and utilities should observe that encoding by default. I added that in the last release of my SQLiteAdmin program, although I also included preferences to not encode/decode and/or specify an encoding. That's necessary because the database libraries don't (and can't) check if the data they are handed is in the correct encoding so in the immortal words of Forest Gump's mother, "you never know what you're gonna get". Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, John Dixon wrote: > > > I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented > > chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, > belonging > > to someone else, that had never seen liveCode before ? > > > > The same still applies. If any db Admin utility can look at the mySQL db > and the data appears correctly, then if you textDecode data you SELECT then > it will appear in your LC app correctly. If you textEncode the data before > you UPDATE or INSERT it back into the mySQL db then it will appear > correctly in all those other db Admin utilities. > > Basically these other db Admin utilities should have been written to do the > equivalent of what you are required to do in LC. They should decode the > data for presentation on their particular platform - Win, Mac, Linux, and > encode any data they put back in. > > HTH > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 20:27:06 2015 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:27:06 +0800 Subject: mySQL and accented chars revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, John Dixon wrote: > > I have just had a thought... How would you go about handling accented > chars if you were put in the position of using a mySQL database, belonging > to someone else, that had never seen liveCode before ? > > Sorry, I should have made one other clarification as I was sort of supposing the data was stored in he db as utf8. It may not be. Someone may have created a program on Win and the data is stored in a db as CP1252. You are writing an LC program for use on Mac. All that has previously been said still applies, the only difference is that you need to determine what character set the db data is stored in and decode and encode to and from that particular char set. So whilst unicode and utf8 and utf16 is where everyone is headed toward, if the data is from an old db it may not necessarily be stored in unicode so you may have to do some experimenting, but at the end of the day you'll still have a requirement to 'encode in' and 'decode out'. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Nov 4 20:38:46 2015 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:38:46 -0800 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > The way transients are streaming through Europe um... they are refugees... still are people... -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 21:13:06 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:13:06 -0400 Subject: Livecode all around the world Message-ID: on Fri Oct 30, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Maybe LiveCode can grow the most > by moving beyond "English-like" to > embrace "Mandarin-like". :) That would be really extraordinary and could be precisely the kind of push that LiveCode needs to get salience among educators. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salience_(neuroscience) I believe that Livecode could contact different Universities all around the world and ask them if they really believe that a programming language in their own tongue could help students and future software developers to start learning programming. Surely, many of these Universities will answer "Yes, we could." Then I want to read your ideas about this hypothetical scenario: How could LiveCode manage this project of creating the first multilingual computer language? How could LiveCode incorporate this new project with his company goals? Does already exists many open source projects that manage a multilingual audience? Thanks in advance for your thoughts and ideas about this. Al From bornstein at designeq.com Wed Nov 4 22:47:50 2015 From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:47:50 -0800 Subject: 'Quit' mystery In-Reply-To: <1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com> <1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: This really helped me out. Thanks Martin! I couldn't get my standalone to quit no matter what. This did the trick. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > Hi > > It has been a long time since I set this up in my application so I don't > remember exactly the logic as to why I set this up this way but it seems to > work. The main stack has several substacks which may be open when quit is > selected from the menu. > > Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a > 'pass shutdownRequest' command. This handler sends a prepareToQuit command > to the main card of the main stack. > > substack stack script > ------------------- > on shutdownRequest > send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack" > end shutdownRequest > ------------------ > The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just > has > a quit command. This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main > card. > This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented > before > quitting. This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that allows > the application to quit. > > Mainstack >card "main" script > ----------------------- > on preparetoquit > quit > end preparetoquit > > on shutdownRequest > > > pass shutdownRequest > end shutdownRequest > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Quit-mystery-tp4672924p4672933.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 01:29:47 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:29:47 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563AF75B.50106@gmail.com> On 05/11/15 02:42, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Richmond > wrote: > >> To be honest I haven't looked in the stable for a while: last time I was >> there there were 4 horses, 17 cows and an awful lot of rather smelly >> straw from fouled winter bedding. >> >> The way transients are streaming through Europe at the moment chances are > if you look in 7.1 weeks time there'll be a couple and a baby in there as > well; and once their there you'll be getting all sorts of visitors.;-) > _______________________________________________ > If that is the case I suppose we should cast Mark Waddingham as the Angel Gabriel. R. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 01:31:39 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:31:39 +0200 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563AF7CB.5070505@gmail.com> On 05/11/15 03:38, stephen barncard wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> The way transients are streaming through Europe > > um... they are refugees... still are people... > > -- > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words > _______________________________________________ > Yup: that word "transient" sounds a wee bit "anti": we should all count ourselves extremely fortunate that nasty people are not bombing the f*ck out of our homes so we have to run for our lives. R. From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 08:20:40 2015 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:20:40 +0100 Subject: 'Quit' mystery In-Reply-To: References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com> <1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Nearly 1 year ago I posted this http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14263 . It was confirmed but probably it has not been fixed yet. All the best, Paolo On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote: > This really helped me out. Thanks Martin! I couldn't get my standalone to > quit no matter what. This did the trick. > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > >> Hi >> >> It has been a long time since I set this up in my application so I don't >> remember exactly the logic as to why I set this up this way but it seems to >> work. The main stack has several substacks which may be open when quit is >> selected from the menu. >> >> Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a >> 'pass shutdownRequest' command. This handler sends a prepareToQuit command >> to the main card of the main stack. >> >> substack stack script >> ------------------- >> on shutdownRequest >> send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack" >> end shutdownRequest >> ------------------ >> The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just >> has >> a quit command. This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main >> card. >> This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented >> before >> quitting. This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that allows >> the application to quit. >> >> Mainstack >card "main" script >> ----------------------- >> on preparetoquit >> quit >> end preparetoquit >> >> on shutdownRequest >> >> >> pass shutdownRequest >> end shutdownRequest >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Quit-mystery-tp4672924p4672933.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Howard Bornstein > ----------------------- > www.designeq.com > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major-k.de Thu Nov 5 08:46:25 2015 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:46:25 +0100 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? Message-ID: Hi all, after years of neglecting the „play“ command on the desktop due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try: on mouseUp play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" put the result end mouseUp Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!? Event imported that file, no video. Played with „the dontuseqt“, no vieo. Added "…at the loc of this cd“ no video. Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7. Any hints? Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? 8-) Thanks in advance! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From rjb at robelko.com Thu Nov 5 09:56:19 2015 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:56:19 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wish I could come. I am tasked to build exactly such a thing for the department. Do you have any files that you can share? RObert On 02.11.2015 at 21:02 Uhr -0800 Paul Looney apparently wrote: >This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation >on Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have >wondered whether there is some data processing option between the >limits of card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and >find out. I will show how to build a multi-user, client/server >database management system - entirely in LiveCode. > >The monthly meeting > is held at >Dupar's in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. > >Paul Looney > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gbojsza at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 10:30:21 2015 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:30:21 -0500 Subject: HTML5 product Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product that is being sold. My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early? When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is datagrid supported? Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so can I assume that it is part of the community version still? Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make a better decision. thanks, Glen From peter.brett at livecode.com Thu Nov 5 10:46:24 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:46:24 +0000 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> On 05/11/2015 15:30, Glen Bojsza wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product that > is being sold. I do! I am the lead developer in the core dev team for the HTML5 platform. > My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases > before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early? People are already deploying apps to HTML5, so arguably it *is* "developed well enough to deploy"! On the other hand, it may not have everything that *you* need for *your* app working yet. I suggest trying it out and seeing what you think. > When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then > this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is > datagrid supported? Firstly: yes, the datagrid is supported. There's an "HTML5 Deployment" guide included with the IDE in all editions, and it describes the current things that work (and don't work). You can also read it online here: https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Documentation/guides/HTML5%20Deployment.md Needless to say, there are limitations. You can look at the current bugs filed against HTML5 on the bug tracker: http://goo.gl/exZYQ3 Also, here are my own personal notes [1] about the current state of HTML5 platform support and things I think we should work on: https://gist.github.com/peter-b/0bb57cc2fe2f065b00f6 > Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I > remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so > can I assume that it is part of the community version still? HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you can't make closed-source apps with the community edition. > Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make > a better decision. The HTML5 section of the forums has lots of examples that might help you out: http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120 Hermann in particular has a bunch of really impressive demos: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25210 From my perspective, the feedback I've received so far has been very positive. Peter [1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist. -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Nov 5 10:47:31 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:47:31 +0000 Subject: Release 8.0.0 DP 8 In-Reply-To: <563AF7CB.5070505@gmail.com> References: <563A1CE1.9030807@fourthworld.com> <563A3B0B.4070200@ahsoftware.net> <563A6024.1080601@gmail.com> <563AF7CB.5070505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1398E2B2-4286-491E-9A16-2FFECA8FD5C5@iotecdigital.com> Not to stir up a firestorm, but the vast majority of the refugees are younger males typically without families. As always, there is more to the story than anyone is being told. Bob S On Nov 4, 2015, at 22:31 , Richmond > wrote: Yup: that word "transient" sounds a wee bit "anti": we should all count ourselves extremely fortunate that nasty people are not bombing the f*ck out of our homes so we have to run for our lives. R. From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Nov 5 10:53:14 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:53:14 +0000 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> Message-ID: <3193091F-FEB4-4843-8D3E-6380FB9305D5@iotecdigital.com> Suddenly, I am keenly aware of the certainty of my own mortality. ;-) Bob S On Nov 5, 2015, at 07:46 , Peter TB Brett > wrote: [1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist. -- Dr Peter Brett From sritcp at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 11:16:24 2015 From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:16:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446740184936-4698484.post@n4.nabble.com> Robert Brenstein wrote > ....... Do you have any files that you can share? +1 By any chance, you can record and throw it on YouTube? Something I'd really like to attend. Only 2500 miles away! Regards, Sri -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Text-file-DBs-tp4698379p4698484.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dfepstein at comcast.net Thu Nov 5 11:31:40 2015 From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Save Stack very slow in Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <50749557.16503418.1446741054930.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <444682352.16504363.1446741100224.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I have for years successfully run a set of stacks using LiveCode 5.5.3 in Windows 7.  Recently certain operations have become painfully slow (Windows says "not responding" for 2 minutes or so, but eventually does respond and the operation is completed). Setting some breakpoints to investigate, I discovered that the bottleneck commands are 2 simple "Save stack x" statements.  The stacks being saved are 2.3 and 0.3 megabytes. The same stacks run without problem using LiveCode 5.5 on Mac OSX.  And until recently they ran well on Windows 7. Has anyone had this experience, or an idea for a remedy? Thanks very much. David Epstein From gbojsza at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 11:41:03 2015 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:41:03 -0500 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter, Your response and details (which are really nice pointers : helpful) make me feel comfortable enough to go ahead and purchase it. regards, Glen On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: > On 05/11/2015 15:30, Glen Bojsza wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product >> that >> is being sold. >> > > I do! I am the lead developer in the core dev team for the HTML5 platform. > > My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases >> before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early? >> > > People are already deploying apps to HTML5, so arguably it *is* "developed > well enough to deploy"! On the other hand, it may not have everything that > *you* need for *your* app working yet. I suggest trying it out and seeing > what you think. > > When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then >> this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is >> datagrid supported? >> > > Firstly: yes, the datagrid is supported. > > There's an "HTML5 Deployment" guide included with the IDE in all editions, > and it describes the current things that work (and don't work). You can > also read it online here: > > > > https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Documentation/guides/HTML5%20Deployment.md > > Needless to say, there are limitations. You can look at the current bugs > filed against HTML5 on the bug tracker: > > http://goo.gl/exZYQ3 > > Also, here are my own personal notes [1] about the current state of HTML5 > platform support and things I think we should work on: > > https://gist.github.com/peter-b/0bb57cc2fe2f065b00f6 > > Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I >> remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so >> can I assume that it is part of the community version still? >> > > HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you > can't make closed-source apps with the community edition. > > Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make >> a better decision. >> > > The HTML5 section of the forums has lots of examples that might help you > out: > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120 > > Hermann in particular has a bunch of really impressive demos: > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25210 > > From my perspective, the feedback I've received so far has been very > positive. > > Peter > > [1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be > done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list > is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist. > > -- > Dr Peter Brett > LiveCode Open Source Team > > LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sritcp at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 11:28:48 2015 From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:28:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted) solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the cost-benefit. Regards, Sri -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698487.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 12:04:46 2015 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:04:46 -0800 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? Message-ID: I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making changes in long (10k+ line) handlers. A minor edit, and off to la-la land. Are others being this? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From david at viral.academy Thu Nov 5 12:12:14 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:12:14 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the list? On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney wrote: > This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on > Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered > whether there is some data processing option between the limits of > card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will > show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system - > entirely in LiveCode. > > The monthly meeting > is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. > > Paul Looney > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roland.huettmann at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 12:24:34 2015 From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (Roland Huettmann) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:24:34 +0000 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" - "Lege x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits and Bytes - should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland On Thu, Nov 5, 2015, 17:43 Sri wrote: > If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or > phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted) > solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire > application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There > are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the > cost-benefit. > > Regards, > Sri > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698487.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From roland.huettmann at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 12:24:34 2015 From: roland.huettmann at gmail.com (Roland Huettmann) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:24:34 +0000 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" - "Lege x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits and Bytes - should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland On Thu, Nov 5, 2015, 17:43 Sri wrote: > If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or > phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted) > solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire > application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There > are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the > cost-benefit. > > Regards, > Sri > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698487.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dunbarx at aol.com Thu Nov 5 12:28:52 2015 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:28:52 -0500 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <150d8b1a518-5b04-1d608@webprd-a74.mail.aol.com> Sri. I had suggested something similar last year, say for Italian. The thinking was that a word-for-word substitution is not robust enough. Language syntax, (native verb placement in a sentence, for example) would break such a system right away. The thread is on the use-list somewhere. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Sri To: use-revolution Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2015 11:43 am Subject: Re: Livecode all around the world If you assign a word in, say, Mandarin for every LiveCode-specific word or phrase (keyword, command, message, etc.), it will be a cheap (if stilted) solution to the problem. The added advantage is translation of an entire application script to any language at the click of a button and back. There are clear limitations to this approach, of course, but you can't beat the cost-benefit. Regards, Sri -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698487.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Nov 5 12:33:47 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:33:47 +0000 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was under the impression that very long scripts take some time to compile. If this has been addressed and this was no longer the case, I am very surprised and curious how they managed that. It would mean that scripts are now indexed somehow so only the relevant parts of the scripts are recompiled and then reinserted into the already compiled bit. It may or may not be helpful to point out that what developers are actually used to is minor edits followed by a lengthy recompile/debug cyclethat can take several minutes to hours depending on the extent of the code base. The nature of Livecode spares us that. Personally, several seconds does not bother me much as it gives me time to reach over and get a sip of coffee. HTH Bob S > On Nov 5, 2015, at 09:04 , Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making > changes in long (10k+ line) handlers. A minor edit, and off to la-la land. > > Are others being this? > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Nov 5 12:38:48 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:38:48 +0000 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> +1 Anyone who has developed in dBase or it's derivatives understands what it means to speak English, and *STILL* have to learn a completely different development language! BTW Google Translate has it "legte x in y -Taste". Dutch, argueably close to German has it "zet x -knop in y". Still think this is a good idea?? Bob S On Nov 5, 2015, at 09:24 , Roland Huettmann > wrote: I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" - "Lege x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits and Bytes - should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland From blueback09 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 12:54:14 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:54:14 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can bring my webcam in case it's useful. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:12 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record > it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the > list? > > On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney wrote: > > > This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on > > Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered > > whether there is some data processing option between the limits of > > card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I > will > > show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system > - > > entirely in LiveCode. > > > > The monthly meeting < > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476> > > is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. > > > > Paul Looney > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From simplsol at aol.com Thu Nov 5 12:57:20 2015 From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:57:20 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> David, Sri, Robert, Bruce, Matt, Sorry you can’t come tonight. I understand that little "distance problem”. The presentation will not be recorded. It is hard enough preparing all of the material without spending a couple days deciding what to wear. ;-) I have been working on a small book (originally 12 pages, now over 80 pages and growing) tentatively titled “Accelerated Data Processing with LiveCode” - based on my 30+ years experience with data processing and decade with Revolution/Rev/LiveCode. There are still two chapters to finish. The last of these is on Text File DBs. I hope to finish it by the end of the year. It will be released under the Creative Commons license and free for downloading. Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings): I. Have the computer time the process II. Indicate that the process is still in process III. Lock Screen - or don’t IV. Lock Messages - or don’t V. Move data to be processed from fields to variables VI. Fields, Variables, and Custom Properties VII. Filter data before other processing VIII. Calculate fixed variables once per repeat loop IX. Use “Put” instead of “Get and Put” where appropriate X. Use multiple single filters - not compound filters XI. Use “Repeat for…” instead of “Repeat with i = …” XII. Sorts: “forwards”, “backwards”, & “sideways” XIII. Choosing Delimiters (CSV must die!) XIV. A word about Arrays, Keys, and Record IDs XV. Cards, Relational Databases, and Text Files XVI. “SQL” & Relational Databases XVII. Using “Text File” Databases Each chapter has many code samples. The Text File chapter will show, step by step, how to create the text file, itself - with code samples for both the server and the clients. I’ve been working on that chapter for a month but still don’t know how big it will be - other than “as big as it needs to be” - there is no publisher dictating chapter or book length. I appreciate your interest. Paul Looney > On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:12 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could record > it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the > list? > > On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney wrote: > >> This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on >> Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered >> whether there is some data processing option between the limits of >> card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I will >> show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management system - >> entirely in LiveCode. >> >> The monthly meeting >> is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. >> >> Paul Looney >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From blueback09 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 13:20:10 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:20:10 -0800 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Maybe you could just replace the words with pictograms so it's language independent. put: https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=put The human-understandable symbols are arbitrary so the fact that Livecode's symbols are derived from English words is missing the point. The symbol "put" could be "123XYZ" for all the computer cares. The learning curve for memorizing the symbols isn't all that much shorter when the symbols are conceptually related to symbols you already know either. The hard part about programming is learning to clarify your thinking using the tools provided. Remembering the symbol associated with the tools is easy, especially after you do it for a while and you really start to grok how arbitrary the symbols are. Some of the simplest symbols in Livecode are "of" and "in" and I still have to look up in the dictionary which one to use every time I try to use them. If they were "ng" and "sa" (which is what google translate says is the Filipino translation) or "od" and "u" (Croatian) or "el" and "en" (Esperanto) they'd be just as hard to remember. Seems like it would be more useful to translate the Livecode dictionary into a bunch of languages than to translate the syntax of the script. That being said, there is precedent for non-English programming languages, and even languages based on symbols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages I've only put effort into learning Livecode, so when I see Python or JavaScript code it might as well be written in Kanji for all the sense I can make of it. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > +1 > > Anyone who has developed in dBase or it's derivatives understands what it > means to speak English, and *STILL* have to learn a completely different > development language! > > BTW Google Translate has it "legte x in y -Taste". Dutch, argueably close > to German has it "zet x -knop in y". > > Still think this is a good idea?? > > Bob S > > > On Nov 5, 2015, at 09:24 , Roland Huettmann > wrote: > > I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I wonder > how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" - "Lege > x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word > such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. The > problem is that the whole construct would have to be different. Let the > young people learn a few English words! The profit for them will be much > greater. There is no way back living with all those English terms > everywhere anyway. Computer programming language - besides underlying Bits > and Bytes - should be understood by everyone. And that was the aim even > when Assembler started. The user interface can always be in the native > language. That is enough. And sometimes difficult enough. Or...?) Roland > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Nov 5 13:32:15 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:32:15 +0000 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:20 , Matt Maier > wrote: The human-understandable symbols are arbitrary so the fact that Livecode's symbols are derived from English words is missing the point. The symbol "put" could be "123XYZ" for all the computer cares. It's not the computer that is caring, it's the programmer. The learning curve for memorizing the symbols isn't all that much shorter when the symbols are conceptually related to symbols you already know either. That I find extremely difficult to accept. If I could *only* progam in LC in the German language, I would not be here today. The hard part about programming is learning to clarify your thinking using the tools provided. Remembering the symbol associated with the tools is easy, especially after you do it for a while and you really start to grok how arbitrary the symbols are. What I "grok" is that Livecode is especially easy for "the rest of us" developers *PRECICELY* because we don't have to learn a complex syntax. And by "we" I mean the english speaking among us. Switch to pictograms and I believe you will have killed Livecode. As far as other languages, if someone can develop a means to have an interpreter understand the "german-like" syntax of their code, or any other language -like syntax, all well and good. But the real key is making the software understand us. Not the other way around. Those were the dark ages of computing. No one wants to go back there. My 2¢ Bob S From jbv at souslelogo.com Thu Nov 5 13:36:21 2015 From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:36:21 +0200 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> Message-ID: <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> > HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you > can't make closed-source apps with the community edition. just curious, what does that mean exactly ? does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ? Thanks jbv From david at viral.academy Thu Nov 5 14:12:10 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:12:10 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> References: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul - I'd be really interested in helping / proof reading / asking stupid questions :) On 5 November 2015 at 17:57, Paul Looney wrote: > David, Sri, Robert, Bruce, Matt, > > Sorry you can’t come tonight. I understand that little "distance problem”. > > The presentation will not be recorded. It is hard enough preparing all of > the material without spending a couple days deciding what to wear. ;-) > > I have been working on a small book (originally 12 pages, now over 80 > pages and growing) tentatively titled “Accelerated Data Processing with > LiveCode” - based on my 30+ years experience with data processing and > decade with Revolution/Rev/LiveCode. There are still two chapters to > finish. The last of these is on Text File DBs. I hope to finish it by the > end of the year. It will be released under the Creative Commons license and > free for downloading. > > Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot > to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings): > > I. Have the computer time the process > II. Indicate that the process is still in process > III. Lock Screen - or don’t > IV. Lock Messages - or don’t > V. Move data to be processed from fields to variables > VI. Fields, Variables, and Custom Properties > VII. Filter data before other processing > VIII. Calculate fixed variables once per repeat loop > IX. Use “Put” instead of “Get and Put” where appropriate > X. Use multiple single filters - not compound filters > XI. Use “Repeat for…” instead of “Repeat with i = …” > XII. Sorts: “forwards”, “backwards”, & “sideways” > XIII. Choosing Delimiters (CSV must die!) > XIV. A word about Arrays, Keys, and Record IDs > XV. Cards, Relational Databases, and Text Files > XVI. “SQL” & Relational Databases > XVII. Using “Text File” Databases > > Each chapter has many code samples. > The Text File chapter will show, step by step, how to create the text > file, itself - with code samples for both the server and the clients. I’ve > been working on that chapter for a month but still don’t know how big it > will be - other than “as big as it needs to be” - there is no publisher > dictating chapter or book length. > > I appreciate your interest. > > Paul Looney > > > > > On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:12 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > > > Paul I'd love to see the presentation - would be great if you could > record > > it or we could arrange to do it as an online session with people from the > > list? > > > > On 3 November 2015 at 05:02, Paul Looney wrote: > > > >> This coming Thursday evening, Nov. 5th, I will doing a presentation on > >> Text-file Databases at the So. Cal. LUG meeting. If you have wondered > >> whether there is some data processing option between the limits of > >> card-file databases and complexity of SQL RDBMS, come and find out. I > will > >> show how to build a multi-user, client/server database management > system - > >> entirely in LiveCode. > >> > >> The monthly meeting < > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25476> > >> is held at Dupar’s in Pasadena. The food is good and the gang is great. > >> > >> Paul Looney > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From blueback09 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 14:25:08 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:25:08 -0800 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com> References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2015 10:32, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: > > > On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:20 , Matt Maier > wrote: > > The human-understandable symbols are arbitrary so the fact that Livecode's > symbols are derived from English words is missing the point. The symbol > "put" could be "123XYZ" for all the computer cares. > > It's not the computer that is caring, it's the programmer. > > The learning curve for > memorizing the symbols isn't all that much shorter when the symbols are > conceptually related to symbols you already know either. > > That I find extremely difficult to accept. If I could *only* progam in LC in the German language, I would not be here today. > > The hard part > about programming is learning to clarify your thinking using the tools > provided. Remembering the symbol associated with the tools is easy, > especially after you do it for a while and you really start to grok how > arbitrary the symbols are. > > What I "grok" is that Livecode is especially easy for "the rest of us" developers *PRECICELY* because we don't have to learn a complex syntax. And by "we" I mean the english speaking among us. Switch to pictograms and I believe you will have killed Livecode. As far as other languages, if someone can develop a means to have an interpreter understand the "german-like" syntax of their code, or any other language -like syntax, all well and good. > > But the real key is making the software understand us. Not the other way around. I disagree. All of the responsibility for understanding is on the programmer. The hard part is teaching the programmer to understand the software. Once that happens the programmer can easily make the software understand. The hard part is thinking like software. Giving every single student a unique set of symbols that minimizes their personal memorization time is small potatoes compared to teaching them what the thing they memorized really means. Additionally, providing unlimited synonyms would probably make it a lot harder to learn how to think. If each student is literally thinking in their own language then they not only need the software to translate for the engine, they also need the software to translate when they talk to other programmers. A parser for the IDE wouldn't be enough. We'd also need a plugin for Google that translates what you're asking for help on and then translates the results. Those were the dark ages of computing. No one wants to go back there. > > My 2¢ > Bob S > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From blueback09 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 14:28:33 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:28:33 -0800 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> Message-ID: It means the license for community forbids you from applying a closed-source license to the standalones you compile using the community IDE. Since you didn't pay for the community IDE, you can do whatever you want open source. If you want to close the source of your work you need to buy a commercial license. On Nov 5, 2015 10:36, wrote: > > > HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you > > can't make closed-source apps with the community edition. > > just curious, what does that mean exactly ? > does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or > does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ? > Thanks > jbv > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From peter.brett at livecode.com Thu Nov 5 14:50:49 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:50:49 +0000 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <563BB319.6010903@livecode.com> On 05/11/2015 18:36, jbv at souslelogo.com wrote: > >> HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you >> can't make closed-source apps with the community edition. > > just curious, what does that mean exactly ? > does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or > does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ? The "HTML5 standalone" is actually 4 files: * An HTML page * The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file. This is the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode * A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is also the same for every standalone. * A zip file, which contains the stacks, resources, fonts, etc. that make up your app. This is the thing that's made by the standalone builder. If you use the community edition, the zip file with your app in it can be downloaded by anyone who views the web page. They can open it and play around with your app using the LiveCode IDE. If you use the commercial edition, you have the option of encrypting your LiveCode stack files so that no-one can look at your code, even if they download and unpack the standalone's zip file. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team From bornstein at designeq.com Thu Nov 5 14:47:40 2015 From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:47:40 -0800 Subject: 'Quit' mystery In-Reply-To: References: <7416F563-0883-4753-A658-F6DA1D456BFF@mac.com> <1385489993995-4672933.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I've updated the bug report with Martin's solution in case anyone else runs into this. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:20 AM, paolo mazza wrote: > Nearly 1 year ago I posted this > http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14263 . > It was confirmed but probably it has not been fixed yet. > All the best, > Paolo > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Howard Bornstein > wrote: > > This really helped me out. Thanks Martin! I couldn't get my standalone to > > quit no matter what. This did the trick. > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> It has been a long time since I set this up in my application so I don't > >> remember exactly the logic as to why I set this up this way but it > seems to > >> work. The main stack has several substacks which may be open when quit > is > >> selected from the menu. > >> > >> Each of the substacks' scripts have a shutdownRequest handler but not a > >> 'pass shutdownRequest' command. This handler sends a prepareToQuit > command > >> to the main card of the main stack. > >> > >> substack stack script > >> ------------------- > >> on shutdownRequest > >> send "preparetoquit" to card "main" of stack "mainstack" > >> end shutdownRequest > >> ------------------ > >> The main card of the main stack has the prepareToQuit handler which just > >> has > >> a quit command. This triggers the shutdownRequest handler in the main > >> card. > >> This shutdownRequest handler has all of the code you want implemented > >> before > >> quitting. This handler has the 'pass shutdownRequest' command that > allows > >> the application to quit. > >> > >> Mainstack >card "main" script > >> ----------------------- > >> on preparetoquit > >> quit > >> end preparetoquit > >> > >> on shutdownRequest > >> > >> > >> pass shutdownRequest > >> end shutdownRequest > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Quit-mystery-tp4672924p4672933.html > >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Howard Bornstein > > ----------------------- > > www.designeq.com > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From monte at appisle.net Thu Nov 5 15:03:29 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:03:29 +1100 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <563BB319.6010903@livecode.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> <563BB319.6010903@livecode.com> Message-ID: > On 6 Nov 2015, at 6:50 am, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > * The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file. This is the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode > > * A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is also the same for every standalone. Peter I haven’t looked at this for a while. Will we have the option of delivering these two files from a common LiveCode server (or better yet using something like cloudfront) so that users can cache the engine once for multiple apps from multiple developers or is that not going to work? Cheers Monte From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Thu Nov 5 15:09:09 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:09:09 +0000 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com> I see. Well then, let's toss out all the graphical OS'es ever written and go back to command line computing. Is seems the great exiperiment has failed. Bob S On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:25 , Matt Maier > wrote: I disagree. All of the responsibility for understanding is on the programmer. The hard part is teaching the programmer to understand the software. Once that happens the programmer can easily make the software understand. The hard part is thinking like software. Giving every single student a unique set of symbols that minimizes their personal memorization time is small potatoes compared to teaching them what the thing they memorized really means. From peter.brett at livecode.com Thu Nov 5 15:10:12 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:10:12 +0000 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> <563BB319.6010903@livecode.com> Message-ID: <563BB7A4.6050104@livecode.com> On 05/11/2015 20:03, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> On 6 Nov 2015, at 6:50 am, Peter TB Brett wrote: >> >> * The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file. This is the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode >> >> * A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is also the same for every standalone. > > Peter I havent looked at this for a while. Will we have the option of delivering these two files from a common LiveCode server (or better yet using something like cloudfront) so that users can cache the engine once for multiple apps from multiple developers or is that not going to work? Yes! There's a discussion & examples here on the forums: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345 Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team From sritcp at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 15:28:00 2015 From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1446755280893-4698507.post@n4.nabble.com> RH wrote > I would not go further then that, just replacing word by word. But I > wonder > how that would sound in German for example: "put x into button y" - "Lege > x in Knopf y"? Too funny. There is no equivalent even for a simple word > such as "put" or "button" which would give exactly the same idea. I mean a 1 to 1 correspondence but not word for word. It can be a camelCase phrase (as long as it needs to be to make sense) for word. Of course, it would still be "unnatural" language approach! But, it might be better than "English or nothing" option. Some languages are going to lend themselves better than others, but imagine if we have this option in Mandarin, Spanish, Portuguese, and Hindi. If even a small fraction of non-English speakers from those milieus are tempted to give LiveCode a try, it would be worth it. Remember, at any time they can click a button and the entire script appears in English. Since no one (no programmer, that is) is completely English-ignorant, switching back and forth will facilitate learning and using the language and eventually switching to English script. Regards, Sri -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698507.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From blueback09 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 15:41:39 2015 From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:41:39 -0800 Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: <629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com> References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com> <629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: I think there would still be people who want to be able to type "your synonym here" instead of "sudo." And that would still not help them understand what sudo does and it would still interfere with any attempt they make to research or ask for help. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I see. Well then, let's toss out all the graphical OS'es ever written and > go back to command line computing. Is seems the great exiperiment has > failed. > > Bob S > > > On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:25 , Matt Maier blueback09 at gmail.com>> wrote: > > I disagree. All of the responsibility for understanding is on the > programmer. The hard part is teaching the programmer to understand the > software. Once that happens the programmer can easily make the software > understand. The hard part is thinking like software. Giving every single > student a unique set of symbols that minimizes their personal memorization > time is small potatoes compared to teaching them what the thing they > memorized really means. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at appisle.net Thu Nov 5 15:43:20 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:43:20 +1100 Subject: HTML5 product In-Reply-To: <563BB7A4.6050104@livecode.com> References: <563B79D0.5050004@livecode.com> <0f6e8f142695488cea90b3bab0b6a110.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> <563BB319.6010903@livecode.com> <563BB7A4.6050104@livecode.com> Message-ID: > On 6 Nov 2015, at 7:10 am, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > Yes! There's a discussion & examples here on the forums: > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345 Interesting. So is there any plans for the company to host the files? I see you can add stuff to cdnjs by sending them a PR. That might be a good option. From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Thu Nov 5 15:49:17 2015 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:49:17 +0000 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 10,000 lines in one liveCode handler ?... really !?... I don't think, .. no, I know that I have never written a stack that has 10,000 lines in it in total... > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:04:46 -0800 > Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? > From: dochawk at gmail.com > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making > changes in long (10k+ line) handlers. A minor edit, and off to la-la land. > > Are others being this? > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 5 16:01:43 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:01:43 -0600 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> I think he probably meant "script" rather than "handler." But even my most complex project wasn't that long. (If it really is a single handler then it isn't written correctly.) When I see numbers like that, my first thought is "optimization." It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a long handler and see if we could reduce it. On 11/5/2015 2:49 PM, John Dixon wrote: > 10,000 lines in one liveCode handler ?... really !?... I don't think, .. no, I know that I have never written a stack that has 10,000 lines in it in total... > >> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:04:46 -0800 >> Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? >> From: dochawk at gmail.com >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> I am seeing the *long*, as in several seconds, delays again when making >> changes in long (10k+ line) handlers. A minor edit, and off to la-la land. >> >> Are others being this? >> >> -- >> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. >> (702) 508-8462 -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 16:25:37 2015 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:25:37 -0800 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I think he probably meant "script" rather than "handler." But even my most > complex project wasn't that long. (If it really is a single handler then it > isn't written correctly.) When I see numbers like that, my first thought is > "optimization." > Err, yes; script. *shudder* The main stack with support routines has a script of almost 15k lines, the output processing script button has over 5k. I do hit about 800 lines in one routine and 600 in another, counting commented out obsolete code and white space; probably only a couple of lines each. These hangs didn't exist to this extent from 5.5 through 7.0, at least, although there were a couple of 7.0 series that had shorter lags, and I've seen multi-second lags on changing panes almost since 7.0 rolled around. >It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a long handler and see if we could reduce it. This is stuff that I very much can't release :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 18:06:00 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:06:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Livecode all around the world In-Reply-To: References: <1446740928104-4698487.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C93BAA6-988A-43E6-BA05-79238E2B4779@iotecdigital.com> <2A784E4D-2B68-4D2A-BA12-D55E4E615C9A@iotecdigital.com> <629AEA1E-5802-4660-BC2C-5F3EFD36C95C@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <1446764760244-4698513.post@n4.nabble.com> Many Thanks for your ideas and opinions about this unusual and very hypothetical topic. I agree with many of your points of view: This could works very well in some languages and not so well in many others... but this should be tested by Universities, with feedback from students and professionals alike. Notice that LiveCode should always run and compile only English Scripts. So when I write: Pon 5 en miVariable, LiveCode will understand: Put 5 into miVariable... but the stack will store these definitions or translations and use them in the script editor to show the script in the user's or developer native language. The engine will only understand english scripts but developers will read and use Livecode scripts in their own language. Hopefully this could be implemented without any modification to the engine. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Livecode-all-around-the-world-tp4698473p4698513.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ali.lloyd at livecode.com Thu Nov 5 18:29:26 2015 From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:29:26 +0000 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I have actually seen this myself once whilst running in debug mode from source, and I think it was stuck in a 'TryToEvaluate' loop for some reason - I think it can be stopped by doing Cmd + . although that might not be the same thing. Anyway, It's worth filing a bug report if there isn't one already. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:25 PM Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:01 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > > > I think he probably meant "script" rather than "handler." But even my > most > > complex project wasn't that long. (If it really is a single handler then > it > > isn't written correctly.) When I see numbers like that, my first thought > is > > "optimization." > > > > Err, yes; script. > > *shudder* > > The main stack with support routines has a script of almost 15k lines, the > output processing script button has over 5k. > > I do hit about 800 lines in one routine and 600 in another, counting > commented out obsolete code and white space; probably only a couple of > lines each. > > These hangs didn't exist to this extent from 5.5 through 7.0, at least, > although there were a couple of 7.0 series that had shorter lags, and I've > seen multi-second lags on changing panes almost since 7.0 rolled around. > > > >It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a > long handler and see if we could reduce it. > > This is stuff that I very much can't release :) > > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 18:42:40 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: References: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> Message-ID: <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Paul After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens? Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Text-file-DBs-tp4698379p4698515.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 19:02:51 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:02:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446768171766-4698516.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Klaus, In Linux, we use shell commands: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=18429 Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/play-vc-xyz-still-stuck-in-the-80s-tp4698478p4698516.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gcanyon at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 20:25:02 2015 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (gcanyon at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:25:02 -0500 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I am always in for this. gc gc > On Nov 5, 2015, at 4:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > It would be an interesting challenge if Richard could supply a sample of a long handler and see if we could reduce it. From brahma at hindu.org Thu Nov 5 22:51:05 2015 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:51:05 -1000 Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up Message-ID: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org> Jai Ganesha! Wow! we did it! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.himalayanacademy.gurudeva After years of coding tools for in house production service and then web server side scripting... I finally got to do some fun work and build the prototype for an app that is a simple thing for the annual memorial of our founder... We used to do an ink-on-paper thing but this year we decided to do an app. I want to thank Jacque Landmand Gay for her work on this which was amazing, taking my app and turning it into something that actually work on Android (I built for iPhone 6 Plus) I also want to thank the Livecode team in Edinborough for their incredibly fast responses to all our bug reports... It seemed like every time we logged a bug, they had it fixed in less than 8 hours! Submitting to Google Play was "child's play" -- the iOS version is coming out soon once I take a breath and put on my mud suit before diving into Apple's Preparation for Submission snake pit... Thanks again to everyone who has supported us through the years! An awesome community! Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 23:45:48 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:45:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up In-Reply-To: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org> References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org> Message-ID: <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com> Congratulations! :-) Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Announce-Himalayan-Academy-s-First-LiveCode-Mobile-App-is-Up-tp4698518p4698519.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From simplsol at aol.com Fri Nov 6 02:50:15 2015 From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 23:50:15 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <47D2B773-897E-4242-99AA-F781B17B2D9A@aol.com> Alejandro, No, we do not use SDB. We looked at it a decade ago and decided to go a different route. Paul Looney > On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi Paul > > After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library: > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html > > Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens? > > Al > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Text-file-DBs-tp4698379p4698515.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Fri Nov 6 04:23:57 2015 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:23:57 +0100 Subject: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5 export ? Message-ID: To all at LiveCode Do I read and interpret your announcement (Fireworks for HTML5) correctly ? There are now two Indy license types, one with HTML5 and one without ? I had a (what was called Enterprise License) for many, many years with all Deployment options intakt - this recently got converted to an Indy License. You recently also introduced a new Business version which is very expensive. Now you have an another new License type called "Indy - All Platforms“ for 998$ What was once ease becomes complicated, and expensive. I can’t afford to by Indy for all platforms at this price - sorry ! To double the price „if I read your announcement correctly“ seems to unreasonable to me. Luckily I was a founder of the HTML5 feature - I hope that this qualifies me to get HTML5 export with my current Indy licence for ever, or does it not ? I wonder what others think about this... From peter.brett at livecode.com Fri Nov 6 05:08:26 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:08:26 +0000 Subject: HTML5 licensing [was: Re: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5 export ?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563C7C1A.6080102@livecode.com> Hi Rolf, On 06/11/2015 09:23, Rolf Kocherhans wrote: > Do I read and interpret your announcement (Fireworks for HTML5) correctly ? > > There are now two Indy license types, one with HTML5 and one without ? There is only one Indy license type. It costs $499 per year, and allows you to deploy proprietary ("closed-source") apps to Mac OS X, Linux, Windows, iOS and Android. Optionally, customers can add on the ability to deploy to HTML5, for an extra $499 per year. > I had a (what was called Enterprise License) for many, many years with all > Deployment options intakt - this recently got converted to an Indy License. > > You recently also introduced a new Business version which is very expensive. > > Now you have an another new License type called "Indy - All Platforms for 998$ Once again, "Indy - All Platforms" is not a "new License type". It's just the same Indy license, but with the HTML5 deployment option included. > What was once ease becomes complicated, and expensive. > > I cant afford to by Indy for all platforms at this price - sorry ! > > To double the price if I read your announcement correctly seems to unreasonable to me. HTML5 is a *very* different platform to any of the other ones that supported by LiveCode, and it is particularly challenging to maintain the HTML5 engine in ways that the other platforms are not. iOS is a continually-moving target, but HTML5 is even more so -- iOS gets updated every few months, but web browsers get updated on a *weekly* basis. Accordingly, commercial HTML5 deployment licenses cost extra, *exactly as we always promised*. The crowdfunding campaign was quite clear about this: "The commercial license for HTML5 will be priced the same as the current license pricing to build apps. "It will be an entirely separate license. "This output platform provides significant additional value for our customers and will require its own engineering team and ongoing maintenance thus the separate license." > Luckily I was a founder of the HTML5 feature - I hope that this qualifies me to get > HTML5 export with my current Indy licence for ever, or does it not ? You pledged $99 to the "LiveCode To HTML5" campaign, which entitles you to a 3-month commercial HTML5 deployment license with a start date of your choosing. We will be setting up a system that will let you to choose the start date of your license via your account page on the LiveCode website, and you'll get an e-mail when that's live. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Fri Nov 6 06:00:49 2015 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:00:49 +0100 Subject: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5 export ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CADC827-F79A-45B5-88E1-7930D9E864FE@m-r-d.de> It was stated before by Livecode/Runrev that HTML5 will be an extra for which you have to pay. I had also an Enterprise license and if i remember right only Win/Mac/Linux deployment was included. Mobile deployment and Livecode server were extras for which one had to pay for. What i definitely know is, that the Lifetime Commercial License(now special Indy License without revenue limit) from the first Kickstarter campaign(the open source campaign) includes all existing and all future platforms. So HTML5 is definitely included in that license. Matthias > Am 06.11.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Rolf Kocherhans : > > To all at LiveCode > > Do I read and interpret your announcement (Fireworks for HTML5) correctly ? > > There are now two Indy license types, one with HTML5 and one without ? > > I had a (what was called Enterprise License) for many, many years with all > Deployment options intakt - this recently got converted to an Indy License. > > You recently also introduced a new Business version which is very expensive. > > Now you have an another new License type called "Indy - All Platforms“ for 998$ > > What was once ease becomes complicated, and expensive. > > I can’t afford to by Indy for all platforms at this price - sorry ! > > To double the price „if I read your announcement correctly“ seems to unreasonable to me. > > Luckily I was a founder of the HTML5 feature - I hope that this qualifies me to get > HTML5 export with my current Indy licence for ever, or does it not ? > > I wonder what others think about this... > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peter.brett at livecode.com Fri Nov 6 06:49:02 2015 From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:49:02 +0000 Subject: HTML5 & lifetime licenses [was: Re: Indy doubles in price because of HTML5 export ?] In-Reply-To: <7CADC827-F79A-45B5-88E1-7930D9E864FE@m-r-d.de> References: <7CADC827-F79A-45B5-88E1-7930D9E864FE@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <563C93AE.7010206@livecode.com> On 06/11/2015 11:00, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D wrote: > What i definitely know is, that the Lifetime Commercial License(now special Indy License without revenue limit) from the first Kickstarter campaign(the open source campaign) includes > all existing and all future platforms. So HTML5 is definitely included in that license. Yes, that's absolutely correct. Note that you might need to reactivate LiveCode in order for HTML5 deployment entitlement to show up in the IDE. If you're a lifetime license holder and your HTML5 entitlement doesn't appear within the next few days, please get in touch with the LiveCode support team (support at livecode.com) and they'll get it sorted out for you. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Nov 6 07:25:47 2015 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:25:47 +0000 Subject: Problem reading 'inbox' (launched-with) files on iOS 5.1? Message-ID: <563C9C4B.50208@cogapp.com> I'm developing an iOS app that accepts files from other apps. When it receives the 'urlWakeUp' message with a suitable URL, it reads in the file, checks it's the right kind of file, and then stores it in the user data folder for subsequent viewing. This works fine on my iPhone 4s under iOS 8.4; and on an iPad 2 under iOS 7.1.1; but on an iPad 1 under iOS 5.1.1, it fails. Specifically, attempting to load the data using put URL tSrcURL into tData yields empty and the result is "can't open file". The app can list the 'Inbox' folder and see the details of the incoming files, complete with their size etc; but can't read them. Was there a known issue in relation to iOS 5.1? Is there a workaround? Many thanks, Ben From klaus at major-k.de Fri Nov 6 07:55:29 2015 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:55:29 +0100 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: <1446768171766-4698516.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1446768171766-4698516.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Al, > Am 06.11.2015 um 01:02 schrieb Alejandro Tejada : > > Hi Klaus, > > In Linux, we use shell commands: > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=18429 that’s muy bien, Al, but does not help me at all! 8-) > Al Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Fri Nov 6 09:35:04 2015 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up In-Reply-To: <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org> <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> +1 Nice... JLG has also helped me! Thanks J! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Alejandro Tejada Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:46 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up Congratulations! :-) Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Announce-Himalayan-Academy -s-First-LiveCode-Mobile-App-is-Up-tp4698518p4698519.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Fri Nov 6 09:35:04 2015 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up In-Reply-To: <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org> <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> +1 Nice... JLG has also helped me! Thanks J! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Alejandro Tejada Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:46 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up Congratulations! :-) Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Announce-Himalayan-Academy -s-First-LiveCode-Mobile-App-is-Up-tp4698518p4698519.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From charles-lachat at orange.fr Fri Nov 6 09:42:45 2015 From: charles-lachat at orange.fr (Charles Lachat) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:42:45 +0100 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> Hi, Try on mouseUp set the filename of player "myplayer" to "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" play player "myplayer" end mouseUp Have a look at *player* and *videoClip* in the dictionary. Regards, Charles Le 5 nov. 2015 à 14:46, Klaus major-k a écrit : > Hi all, > > after years of neglecting the „play“ command on the desktop > due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting > from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been > done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try: > > on mouseUp > play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" > put the result > end mouseUp > > Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!? > Event imported that file, no video. > Played with „the dontuseqt“, no vieo. > Added "…at the loc of this cd“ no video. > > Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7. > > Any hints? > Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? 8-) > > Thanks in advance! > > > Best > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major-k.de Fri Nov 6 09:56:06 2015 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:56:06 +0100 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> References: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> Message-ID: <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de> Hi all, > Am 06.11.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Charles Lachat : > Hi, > Try > on mouseUp > set the filename of player "myplayer" to "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" > play player "myplayer" > end mouseUp > Have a look at *player* and *videoClip* in the dictionary. I know about player objects etc. my question is about the PLAY VIDEOCLIP command! Sigh… :-) > Regards, > > Charles > > Le 5 nov. 2015 à 14:46, Klaus major-k a écrit : > >> Hi all, >> >> after years of neglecting the „play“ command on the desktop >> due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting >> from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been >> done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try: >> >> on mouseUp >> play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" >> put the result >> end mouseUp >> >> Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!? >> Event imported that file, no video. >> Played with „the dontuseqt“, no vieo. >> Added "…at the loc of this cd“ no video. >> >> Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7. >> >> Any hints? >> Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? 8-) >> >> Thanks in advance! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From merakosp at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 10:27:43 2015 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:27:43 +0000 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de> References: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hi Klaus, I guess you are affected by this bug: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13951 Best, Panos -- On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Klaus major-k wrote: > Hi all, > > > Am 06.11.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Charles Lachat >: > > Hi, > > Try > > on mouseUp > > set the filename of player "myplayer" to > "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" > > play player "myplayer" > > end mouseUp > > Have a look at *player* and *videoClip* in the dictionary. > > I know about player objects etc. my question is about the PLAY VIDEOCLIP > command! > Sigh… :-) > > > Regards, > > > > Charles > > > > Le 5 nov. 2015 à 14:46, Klaus major-k a écrit : > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> after years of neglecting the „play“ command on the desktop > >> due to too few supported file formats, I read an encouraging posting > >> from Richard G. here on the list, where he told us that much had been > >> done in this respect in Livecode, I decided to give it another try: > >> > >> on mouseUp > >> play videoclip "/Users/klaus/Movies/IMG_0008.mp4" > >> put the result > >> end mouseUp > >> > >> Pretty straightforward, but no video, empty result!? > >> Event imported that file, no video. > >> Played with „the dontuseqt“, no vieo. > >> Added "…at the loc of this cd“ no video. > >> > >> Tried with 7.1.1 RC2 and LC 8 DP7. > >> > >> Any hints? > >> Am I missing something, or is my subject line still true, more or less? > 8-) > >> > >> Thanks in advance! > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major-k.de Fri Nov 6 10:33:11 2015 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:33:11 +0100 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: References: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hi Panos, > Am 06.11.2015 um 16:27 schrieb panagiotis merakos : > > Hi Klaus, > > I guess you are affected by this bug: > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13951 yes, obviously, thanks! :-) Also applies to LC 7x and LC 8x. Any plans to also „pimp“ the „play video-/audioclip“ command to up-to-date demands? > Best, > Panos Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From merakosp at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 11:08:22 2015 From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:08:22 +0000 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: References: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hi Klaus, Indeed, the play audioClip/videoClip command is a bit outdated. These commands will be updated when we redo multimedia on all platforms. However, we'll have a look at this bug to try at least get functionality back to where it was pre-6.7. Best, Panos -- On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Klaus major-k wrote: > Hi Panos, > > > Am 06.11.2015 um 16:27 schrieb panagiotis merakos : > > > > Hi Klaus, > > > > I guess you are affected by this bug: > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13951 > > yes, obviously, thanks! :-) > Also applies to LC 7x and LC 8x. > > Any plans to also „pimp“ the „play video-/audioclip“ command to up-to-date > demands? > > > Best, > > Panos > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major-k.de Fri Nov 6 11:13:50 2015 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:13:50 +0100 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: References: <5B3D3701-A5D4-4A3B-BA4D-750199E8B8BB@orange.fr> <63C0D28F-3238-4155-8C21-61A897645A1C@major-k.de> Message-ID: <1ACA3F7F-AC1A-440A-AC93-F838AE330765@major-k.de> Hi Panos, > Am 06.11.2015 um 17:08 schrieb panagiotis merakos : > > Hi Klaus, > > Indeed, the play audioClip/videoClip command is a bit outdated. that’s the euphemism of the year! :-D > These commands will be updated when we redo multimedia on all platforms. However, > we'll have a look at this bug to try at least get functionality back to > where it was pre-6.7. Great, thank you! > Best, > Panos Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 11:29:45 2015 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:29:45 -0800 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > I have actually seen this myself once whilst running in debug mode from > source, and I think it was stuck in a 'TryToEvaluate' loop for some reason > - I think it can be stopped by doing Cmd + . although that might not be the > same thing. > To be clear: thesis not on ode execution, compiling, or even saving. This happens when I change a few characters in a script. For example, I cut three lines, paste them in a different section, and before it reformats them to the new indentation, it simply heads off to la-la land with the beachball for several seconds > > Anyway, It's worth filing a bug report if there isn't one already. > -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 11:53:06 2015 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:53:06 -0700 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going. Unfortunately, while it happens often enough to notice, I haven't managed to nail down a recipe. Sometimes it goes away when I shut the dictionary, other times I turn off messages for a moment (as if there was a runaway handler, that wasn't actually cpu locking, but was close..) Mostly in various 7 versions, once or twice in 8. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > I have actually seen this myself once whilst running in debug mode from > > source, and I think it was stuck in a 'TryToEvaluate' loop for some > reason > > - I think it can be stopped by doing Cmd + . although that might not be > the > > same thing. > > > > To be clear: thesis not on ode execution, compiling, or even saving. > > This happens when I change a few characters in a script. > > For example, I cut three lines, paste them in a different section, and > before it reformats them to the new indentation, it simply heads off to > la-la land with the beachball for several seconds > > > > > > Anyway, It's worth filing a bug report if there isn't one already. > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com Fri Nov 6 12:06:31 2015 From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:06:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com> As a multimedia developer, I just want to echo what Klaus said about the lack of modern multimedia support in Livecode. Fixing this shortcoming will lead to more new customers for LC. I know that I, for one, have not been able to recommend Livecode to my peers due to this lack of modern multimedia support. I bet I'm not the only one. My 2 cents. Tom B. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/play-vc-xyz-still-stuck-in-the-80s-tp4698478p4698538.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Nov 6 12:57:10 2015 From: msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Siskin) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:57:10 +0000 Subject: play vc xyz, still stuck in the 80s? In-Reply-To: <1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1446829591687-4698538.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <64E63ED9-5584-4BCF-A720-8E362B551F4E@andrew.cmu.edu> I agree that working with Multimedia in Livecode recently has been a struggle. That is why I was reluctant to contribute to the 64-Bit Feature Exchange. I just hope that the period we will have to suffer through between the time they remove multimedia support and when they put it back in is short. Marc On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:06 PM, tbodine > wrote: As a multimedia developer, I just want to echo what Klaus said about the lack of modern multimedia support in Livecode. Fixing this shortcoming will lead to more new customers for LC. I know that I, for one, have not been able to recommend Livecode to my peers due to this lack of modern multimedia support. I bet I'm not the only one. My 2 cents. Tom B. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/play-vc-xyz-still-stuck-in-the-80s-tp4698478p4698538.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode --------------- Marc Siskin Manager, Modern Language Resource Center Carnegie Mellon University msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 13:06:54 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:06:54 +0200 Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager Message-ID: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com> Well? Richmond. From mark at livecode.com Fri Nov 6 13:10:28 2015 From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 19:10:28 +0100 Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager In-Reply-To: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com> References: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com> On 2015-11-06 19:06, Richmond wrote: > Well? Ali has been working on it - https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/632 It should reappear in DP9 :) Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 13:24:54 2015 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:24:54 -0800 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script > editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going. > at times when I assumed that that had happened, the keystrokes eventually showed up . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Nov 6 13:41:44 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:41:44 +0000 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <62F78EAC-FD83-4F6B-BB18-130CD3C6B36D@iotecdigital.com> I have seen times where saving a stack took an excessively long time to finish. I assumed that LC was doing some kind of high priority housekeeping. I have been using 6.7.6 since it came out. Bob S On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:24 , Dr. Hawkins > wrote: On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner > wrote: I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going. at times when I assumed that that had happened, the keystrokes eventually showed up . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 14:08:02 2015 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:08:02 -0700 Subject: garbage collection run amok again in 7.1.1Rc2? In-Reply-To: <62F78EAC-FD83-4F6B-BB18-130CD3C6B36D@iotecdigital.com> References: <563BC3B7.7040405@hyperactivesw.com> <62F78EAC-FD83-4F6B-BB18-130CD3C6B36D@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: For me, they were actually disappearing. Dropped into the void. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I have seen times where saving a stack took an excessively long time to > finish. I assumed that LC was doing some kind of high priority > housekeeping. I have been using 6.7.6 since it came out. > > Bob S > > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:24 , Dr. Hawkins dochawk at gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner bonnmike at gmail.com>> wrote: > > I've seen similar, to the point where keystrokes are dropped in the script > editor, and I must type REAAAALY slow to get things going. > > > at times when I assumed that that had happened, the keystrokes eventually > showed up . . . > > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Nov 6 14:08:22 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:08:22 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> <1446766960858-4698515.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <77D74485-6C4D-4A8E-8B31-51FCB81059D4@iotecdigital.com> The link to the library is no longer viable. Bob S > On Nov 5, 2015, at 15:42 , Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi Paul > > After reading your post, I just remember Serendipity Library: > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2002-September/007745.html > > Do you used this library released by Rob Cozens? > > Al From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 14:15:16 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:15:16 +0200 Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager In-Reply-To: <030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com> References: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com> <030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com> Message-ID: <563CFC44.2060300@gmail.com> On 06/11/15 20:10, Mark Waddingham wrote: > On 2015-11-06 19:06, Richmond wrote: >> Well? > > Ali has been working on it - > https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/632 > > It should reappear in DP9 :) > > Mark. > Well; I suppose so, although I have never used it as when I played about with it it actually seemed like more trouble than it was worth and it seemed better to set resize and reposition codes for objects myself. Richmond. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 6 14:29:58 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:29:58 -0800 Subject: Problem reading 'inbox' (launched-with) files on iOS 5.1? In-Reply-To: <563C9C4B.50208@cogapp.com> References: <563C9C4B.50208@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <563CFFB6.1030601@fourthworld.com> Ben Rubinstein wrote: > This works fine on my iPhone 4s under iOS 8.4; and on an iPad 2 under iOS > 7.1.1; but on an iPad 1 under iOS 5.1.1, it fails. > > Specifically, attempting to load the data using > put URL tSrcURL into tData > > yields empty and the result is "can't open file". With any file I/O routines it's essential to check "the result", and very helpful to also use "sysError" to find out what the OS is trying to tell us about why something went wrong: put url tSrcURL into tData if the result is not empty then answer the result &"("& sysError() &")" end if -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From david at viral.academy Fri Nov 6 15:35:48 2015 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:35:48 +0000 Subject: Livecode REST Server Message-ID: How do I set the httpheaders for a server side script written in Livecode - that is before using "put" to send data back to the server. set the httpheaders does not seem to work? I need to set CORS headers for the response from the server. From brahma at hindu.org Fri Nov 6 15:39:27 2015 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:39:27 -1000 Subject: OT: Announce -- Himalayan Academy's First LiveCode Mobile App is Up In-Reply-To: <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> References: <563C23A9.1090002@hindu.org> <1446785148105-4698519.post@n4.nabble.com> <001001d118a0$5404f4e0$fc0edea0$@net> Message-ID: <563D0FFF.8070806@hindu.org> Alejandro: Did you download the app from the Google Play... you can see it, better than screen shots. How does it work? Except for one item... design to run without internet access. Quite simple really gurudeva.livecode (app) cd 1 - splash screen with rotating gear GIF cd 2 - "main-card" shows photos... random selection, gets quotes, random selection cd 3-4 - img resources, not shown to user... all icon etc we apply to buttons cd 5 "Reader Card" single text field dynamically loads sets of quotes or html files, search results cd 6 Other options card: a basic navigation screen to the other "features" text, read quotes by category. cd 7 audio card: buttons for 8 audio, a player object, and a "surprise Me" button that fetches a random audio from our server. /data / * a few static html files here: biography.html, about-this-app.html, help.html, release-notes.html / gurudeva-quotes.txt # 670K file with unicode, one quote per line, separated by "pipes" with tabs and assigned categories in item 3 of each line ~2570 quotes/lines /img /gurudeva # ~ 270 images (jpg) optimized with imageMagic and mozcjpeg. uncropped (most are bigger than screen rect) /audio 8 .mp3 files packaged with the app audio.json has the metadata for the 8 audio files. That's it -- very simple. Had it not been for all the bugs we uncovered (media display on Android mostly) it would have been done even sooner. > Could you post screenshots and explain us how this app works? I am sure that > your experience could be really helpful for many of us, LiveCode developers. > > Alejandro From jbv at souslelogo.com Fri Nov 6 15:46:21 2015 From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:46:21 +0200 Subject: Livecode REST Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90886446e8a16b9eb0345b71817b7c19.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com> put header "Content-Type: text/xml; charset: utf-8" Best jbv > How do I set the httpheaders for a server side script written in Livecode > - > that is before using "put" to send data back to the server. set the > httpheaders does not seem to work? I need to set CORS headers for the > response from the server. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 6 16:52:28 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:52:28 -0800 Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs Message-ID: I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to interface to a third party API. I have been given php code that does what I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output. But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode. I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" . Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the right direction? Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Nov 6 16:53:42 2015 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:53:42 -0500 Subject: 8.0 Wot, no Geometry manager In-Reply-To: <563CFC44.2060300@gmail.com> References: <563CEC3E.9000008@gmail.com> <030eed609e7a99ae3a903f54834e81fb@livecode.com> <563CFC44.2060300@gmail.com> Message-ID: Speaking of which, has anyone thought about GM on mobile in 8, and that nifty thing that used to make mobile landscape layouts easier to generate like a certain mobile tool used to have? On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 06/11/15 20:10, Mark Waddingham wrote: > >> On 2015-11-06 19:06, Richmond wrote: >> >>> Well? >>> >> >> Ali has been working on it - >> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/632 >> >> It should reappear in DP9 :) >> >> Mark. >> >> > Well; I suppose so, although I have never used it as when I played about > with it it actually > seemed like more trouble than it was worth and it seemed better to set > resize and reposition codes > for objects myself. > > Richmond. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From bornstein at designeq.com Fri Nov 6 16:56:58 2015 From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:56:58 -0800 Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX Message-ID: I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command is used instead. It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX standalone application? -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Nov 6 17:07:19 2015 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:07:19 -0800 Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563D2497.3040505@ahsoftware.net> On 11/06/2015 01:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to > interface to a third party API. I have been given php code that does what > I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output. > But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know > where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode. > > I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" . > Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the > right direction? For simple REST services you can probably get by with GET and POST. For anything more robust I shell out to httpie. And for testing REST functions, the Postman plugin/app for Chrome is great. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Nov 6 17:20:31 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:20:31 +0000 Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com> It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to get that to work. Bob S On Nov 6, 2015, at 13:56 , Howard Bornstein > wrote: I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command is used instead. It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX standalone application? -- Regards, Howard Bornstein From bornstein at designeq.com Fri Nov 6 17:30:04 2015 From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:30:04 -0800 Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX In-Reply-To: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com> References: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Is there a list of system shortcuts that can't be overridden? When you say you want to make a quit hotkey, do you mean you want to assign command-Q to a menu item? On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > It's my understanding that with OS X you cannot do this. I would like to > make a quit hotkey so users can quit my application, but I cannot seem to > get that to work. > > Bob S > > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 13:56 , Howard Bornstein > wrote: > > I want to command-H for a menu item in my standalone, but it doesn't work > because the system uses command-H for Hide Application. Even though I've > assigned this shortcut to a menu item, it is ignored and the system command > is used instead. > > It seems like this should be simple but I can't figure out how to get > around this problem. Is there a way to override system shortcuts in an OSX > standalone application? > > -- > Regards, > > Howard Bornstein > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 6 18:08:56 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:08:56 -0800 Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs In-Reply-To: <563D2497.3040505@ahsoftware.net> References: <563D2497.3040505@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. So it sounds like I could use the Post command along with libURLFormData to send off the URL and then check the it variable to get whatever comes back. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 11/06/2015 01:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to >> interface to a third party API. I have been given php code that does what >> I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output. >> But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know >> where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode. >> >> I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" >> . >> Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the >> right direction? >> > > For simple REST services you can probably get by with GET and POST. For > anything more robust I shell out to httpie. And for testing REST functions, > the Postman plugin/app for Chrome is great. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From smudge.andy at googlemail.com Fri Nov 6 18:10:46 2015 From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:10:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446851446873-4698558.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Peter, I've found this site to be very useful http://activethought.net/livecode-server/introduction/ for server related info. It may help you in your quest. ----- Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now: Get Copy Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-interface-with-third-party-API-using-URLs-tp4698551p4698558.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 18:51:17 2015 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 07:51:17 +0800 Subject: [ANN] Text-file DBs In-Reply-To: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> References: <0947BDFD-294E-4E14-B9B6-42A8F1CBCE08@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Paul Looney wrote: > > Here are the chapters (let me know if I missed something, I almost forgot > to have a chapter on CSV - a subject about which I have strong feelings): > > Paul, I don't wish to 'add the straw' on what clearly is a very large undertaking, but from a recent thread here I would suggest a topic on unicode and char sets. For anyone new to DBs, not just LC + DBs, understanding what char set an old DB is using, or what char set to create a new DB in and how to handle all the situations in between is a hurdle that has to be crossed particularly if their intended stack is to be cross-platform. Maybe: XVIII. Handling Cross-Platform and non-ASCII characters Good luck and look forward to it's completion. From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 6 18:54:25 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:54:25 -0800 Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs In-Reply-To: <1446851446873-4698558.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1446851446873-4698558.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Andy, I'll take a look. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:10 PM, AndyP wrote: > Hi Peter, I've found this site to be very useful > http://activethought.net/livecode-server/introduction/ > for server > related info. It may help you in your quest. > > > > ----- > Andy Piddock > > > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. > > Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now: > Get Copy > > > Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk > > PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker > / finder. > http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-interface-with-third-party-API-using-URLs-tp4698551p4698558.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com Fri Nov 6 19:24:22 2015 From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 00:24:22 +0000 Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX In-Reply-To: References: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: <19B472D8-59B8-4033-A970-DE6C142049D7@iotecdigital.com> Yes. You can assign it, but it does nothing. Bob S On Nov 6, 2015, at 14:30 , Howard Bornstein > wrote: Is there a list of system shortcuts that can't be overridden? When you say you want to make a quit hotkey, do you mean you want to assign command-Q to a menu item? From bornstein at designeq.com Fri Nov 6 19:45:55 2015 From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:45:55 -0800 Subject: Overriding system shortcuts in OSX In-Reply-To: <19B472D8-59B8-4033-A970-DE6C142049D7@iotecdigital.com> References: <89D74C14-C007-4ECF-B67A-BB9BE253F6D6@iotecdigital.com> <19B472D8-59B8-4033-A970-DE6C142049D7@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: After some difficulty, I've been able to get Quit to work, but the command-Q part is handled by the system. What are you trying to do? On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Yes. You can assign it, but it does nothing. > > Bob S > > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 14:30 , Howard Bornstein > wrote: > > Is there a list of system shortcuts that can't be overridden? When you say > you want to make a quit hotkey, do you mean you want to assign command-Q to > a menu item? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Nov 6 20:28:44 2015 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 01:28:44 +0000 Subject: How to interface with third party API using URLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7167CD5D-9532-4C34-9C79-6591A802BEEC@byu.edu> Pete, See my notes at http://livecode.byu.edu/indexgeneric.php under Web Services. Pretty basic, and I may be missing some important points, but it might get you started. Devin > On Nov 6, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > I'm working on a project that requires I learn about using URLs to > interface to a third party API. I have been given php code that does what > I need so I could just execute the php scrips from LC and grab the output. > But should I ever need to make changes to the php code, I wouldn't know > where to start so would prefer to implement this with Livecode. > > I have all the necessary URLs and they return "a REST-compliant XML feed" . > Can someone point me to a lesson of some sort that would point me in the > right direction? > > Pete > lcSQL Software > Home of lcStackBrowser and > SQLiteAdmin > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 22:01:27 2015 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:01:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack In-Reply-To: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com> References: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com> Message-ID: <1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi All, Just an update. I am building and testing a new parser (or importer) for SVG files based in SVGL and new scripts to import gradients that I used in the attached livecode stack inside a zip file. This new svg parser (not available yet) will be more flexible about the expected SVG structure. After analizing and testing many SVG files generated by different applications, I noticed that a better strategy is to parse and validate whole tags, before creating graphics in the stack: ... followed by unpredictable/correct/wrong ... content that needs validation... or maybe just this closing mark /> In the attached zip file, that you could download from: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25612 I have included 4 small svg files with the stack inside the Zip file. Import these small svg files in first place. Have a nice weekend! Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-Vector-Images-and-the-SVGL-stack-tp4698284p4698564.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 11:41:09 2015 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 18:41:09 +0200 Subject: Vector Images and the SVGL stack In-Reply-To: <1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <06E6B79A-D913-4542-890A-A230D49FFD22@knowlegistics.com> <1446865287687-4698564.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <563E29A5.9020803@gmail.com> On 07/11/15 05:01, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi All, > > Just an update. I am building and testing a new parser (or importer) > for SVG files based in SVGL and new scripts to import gradients > that I used in the attached livecode stack inside a zip file. > > This new svg parser (not available yet) will be more flexible > about the expected SVG structure. After analizing and testing > many SVG files generated by different applications, I noticed > that a better strategy is to parse and validate whole tags, > before creating graphics in the stack: > > > ... followed by unpredictable/correct/wrong > ... content that needs validation... > or maybe just this closing mark /> > > In the attached zip file, that you could download from: > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25612 > I have included 4 small svg files with the stack > inside the Zip file. Import these small svg files > in first place. > > Have a nice weekend! > > Al > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-Vector-Images-and-the-SVGL-stack-tp4698284p4698564.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > This is really super work: Mark Waddingham and Co. should "sit up and take notice". Frankly, in the light of the fact that Alejandro can do this single-handedly I cannot help wondering why the LiveCode team seem to be having some sort of "problem" vis-a-vis SVG and the IDE right now. Richmond. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 7 12:13:58 2015 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:13:58 -0800 Subject: Using "send...in