How do you handle the poor performance of LC 7?

[Andrew Kluthe]

Exactly Trevor and Richard. I agree strongly with both sentiments. There is
great promise in what's coming up but what we have now, I think, is still
in transition.

And yes, since montes effort on lcvcs and the new flat file lcb libraries,
VCS support is being addressed. I'm excited to build something great. But
unfortunately, even after the transition and this new stuff is continuing
to wow us I don't think I'll be allowed to do much more with livecode at my
9-5 and that bums me out. I'll have to save livecode 8 and 9 stuff for
contract work or as a hobby/personal project.

I wish I could spend some time giving the kind of dedication Trevor gives
to his LC projects and , indirectly, all of us by implementing and pushing
LC continually to its limits all these years. Clarify is such a valuable
tool in our shop. I'm excited to see what the widget architecture allows
you to accomplish!

I know this topic is a sensitive one at the moment, but it's important and
part of LCs adolescence as it goes open and becomes this new modern
platform its evolving to be.

On Fri, May 29, 2015, 6:18 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>
>  > I think the decision boiled down to just wanting more mainstream
>  > processes for development and being able to find programmers we
>  > didn't have to train from scratch. So the decision was made to become
>  > a .Net shop...
>
> Ah yes, that's a conversation I know well.  Some of the members of this
> list may be old enough to remember the mantra of middle management, "No
> one ever got fired for buying IBM".  I have that conversation about
> every few months, with prospective clients and even current clients
> after acquisition or during review.
>
> That's why the Tiobe Index is such a long-tailed L curve: the most
> popular languages are picked up by new users looking for the most
> popular languages.  Heck, Pascal is still in the top 20 there right now,
> while the darling of Big Data, Erlang, is way down at #36 with only
> 0.403% of surveyed developers using it (though I'd wager there's at
> least twice as much demand for Erlang, and in arguably more interesting
> companies).
>
> Malcolm Gladwell's "The Tipping Point" explores thisultural dynamic
> well, and Geoff Moore's "The Gorilla Game" applies it to the software
> industry cogently.
>
> The irony of the middle manager fixation on number of available
> developers is that it doesn't really matter if there are a million Java
> programmers, because they're never going to hire a million programmers.
>
> All they really need to see is that the number of developers available
> is higher than the number they want to hire, often just one or two, or
> maybe if they're really invested in a language as many as a dozen.  And
> there are least a dozen developers well versed in Erlang, and in
> LiveCode. :)
>
> That's why middle managers aren't founders:  You don't build a company
> from scratch by doing whatever everyone else is already doing.
>
>
> The need for good support of third-party version control systems is a
> more practical problem, one that's historically never been addressed by
> any toolkit in this family of languages.
>
> The ability to deliver a single compact binary file that contains both
> objects and code contributes strongly to LiveCode's uncommon
> productivity, but this uncommon way of working doesn't yet fit well in a
> world of VCSes designed for a world of sameness in which apps written in
> most languages are comprised of hundreds of tiny text files.
>
> We're only halfway there now, but a big half: a library stack can be
> expressed as a text file, suitable for use in any VCS, and in
> well-factored projects that's where the meat will be.
>
> That still leaves UI stacks as binaries, and the LiveCode team is
> working on a solution for that.  And I believe Trevor and others are
> already using Monte's solution for that right now.
>
> Once that's built-in, a lot of larger teams will be able to come on board.
>
>
> In the meantime, LiveCode is just like the other bottom 90 in the Tiobe
> Index:  there will always be those managers who will only consider the
> top 10, which is why the top 10 rarely change position.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
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>
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