OT: No More Servers

Mike Kerner MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
Fri Jul 17 17:06:47 CEST 2015


First, let's see who else is interested, and then second, after we see,
let's take this off-list until we have something interesting to share with
everyone else.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:27 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> What time / day of the week would be good for you Mike?
>
> On 17 July 2015 at 14:22, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> > Most definitely, and doing it, now, with new apps, and think it's of
> > critical importance.  I'm not as server-detatched as I want to be, so I'm
> > all ears.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:28 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised
> > architecture?
> > > I've a long standing interest in them, and there are some very
> > interesting
> > > new tools that I feel are of deep relevance to Livecode and the
> Livecode
> > > community.
> > >
> > > A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication is
> > P2P.
> > > Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of both is even
> > > better.
> > >
> > > There are a number of advantages for the Livecode community:
> > >
> > >    - Stacks and assets are served without a central server
> > >    - No centralised bandwidth and hosting costs
> > >    - No classical denai-of-service attack issues
> > >    - New non-web tool chains posible
> > >    - New authentication and security models
> > >
> > > The last two are interesting. Classic web client-server architectures
> are
> > > very mature on other platforms. A huge amount of this infrastructure is
> > > involved in scaling, and managing users. So web servers, caching,
> > proxies,
> > > user management, sessions, authentication etc
> > >
> > > If you take a close look at code bases of major projects, a great deal
> of
> > > it is taken up by managing this basic stuff, and surprisingly little on
> > the
> > > actual application. All these areas are also the very areas that
> Livecode
> > > is weakest on. We don't have oAuth libraries, robust servers and so on.
> > So
> > > we tend to play in this environment as second class citizens.
> > >
> > > With P2P architectures this is different. Stacks and files are simply
> > > served by the architecture in a scalable way. Session and user
> management
> > > is often completely different, often using public key infrastructure,
> and
> > > sometimes taken care for you by the platform itself.
> > >
> > > Another thing makes it of particular interest to Livecode. Many of
> these
> > > architectures are no scripted in python / ruby / php etc. They are in
> > C/C++
> > > or Go. Livecode plays much better with these low level languages. LCB
> > will
> > > allow us to extend Livecode to be a full integrated citizen in these
> > > architectures.
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested in exploring this area - I'm starting a
> *research
> > > group* looking into using Livecode in decentralised environments. I'm
> > going
> > > to start weekly Hangouts and make recordings - much like the Livecode
> TV
> > > sessions I started a few years back - but with a bit different
> > technology.
> > >
> > > Hangout this Sunday anyone?
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


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