Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?

Thu Jul 9 18:03:22 EDT 2015

I don't understand even half of everything I know about windows.
Especially when things that weren't broke to begin with get "fixed" and
things that need to be fixed in a real way get yet more layers of duct tape
patchwork workaround fixes.

Despite everything though, windows works surprisingly well most of the
time.  These random gotchas are REALLY annoying though.  Wish I knew what
was going on.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> you are right, today and most times in the past I can write to this
> directory too without getting virtualized. From time to time I wonder, why
> changes to my option file in this directory doesn't come into effect.
> Searching for the reason, I find this file from time to time being
> virtualized in the windows virtualStore, where windows has put my changes
> to.
> But as I said, right now, after testing it doesn't got virtualized. I have
> no idea, what causes windows to virtualize the same file or not from day to
> day (with the same user).
> Tiemo
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag von Mike Bonner
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015 14:01
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> users?
>
> Hmm, did you try to write to it?  Its writeable to me from LC.  I set the
> folder to the specialfolder path, and popped some data into a file and it
> worked fine.  From my reading, that that is the folders purpose.
>
> If you notice when you check the properties of the folder, the "read only"
> is a greyed out (ok, blue'd out) box, not a check.  (DON'T change it!)
> meaning the folder itself is read only so you can't change it,but is
> actually writable.  If its checked, that sets the contents of the folder to
> read only.
> If the folder has been messed with, the only way to fix it is take the
> check out (so that the contents are not read only) and then set the read
> only attribute on the folder itself from the command line.
>
> By default though, the folder is set up correctly to be writable.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> > just noticed, that specialfolderpath("0x0023") is the same as my up to
> > now used specialfolderpath("35"), which was on XP C:\Documents and
> > Settings\All Users\ApplicationData. On Win Vista and above this path
> > doesn't exists anymore and now is C:\ProgramData, which obviously
> > hasn't write permission anymore on all users and gets virtualized, when
> trying to write to it.
> > So probably what Peter said, following the windows security
> > guidelines, there isn't anymore any "all users" write directory for app
> data,.
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > Auftrag von Mike Bonner
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
> > An: How to use LiveCode
> > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> > users?
> >
> > you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data
> > folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the
> > directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and
> > Settings\All Users\ApplicationData
> >
> > You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB
> > <toolbook at kestner.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
> > >
> > > How would I differentiate the access to these two different option
> sets?
> > > On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an
> > > admin I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending
> > > on the log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a
> > > chance in LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac)
> > > to be able to
> > differentiate it.
> > > How is this usually be done?
> > > Tiemo
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > > Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> > > An: How to use LiveCode
> > > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for
> > > all users?
> > >
> > > On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > >
> > > > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> > > >
> > > > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my
> > > > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the
> > > > software should look automatically for updates. If I think about
> > > > schools, where different users can log in the same computer,
> > > > that’s why I wanted to keep one option file for all users.
> > > >
> > > > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file
> > > > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the
> > > > admin and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> > > >
> > > > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a
> > > > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a
> > > > private single-user computer?
> > >
> > > Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure
> things.
> > > You could think of it as follows:
> > >
> > > 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the
> > > system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates)
> > > -- these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by
> > > the administrator only.
> > >
> > > 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable
> > > the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> > > settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
> > >
> > > It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> > > However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't
> > > mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the
> > > system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
> > >
> > > The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended
> > > way to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows
> > > and
> > Linux.
> > >
> > > Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just
> > > treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
> > >
> > >                                 Peter
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine
> > > Development Team
> > >
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