Set Script Limits in Standalones

Earthednet-wp prothero at
Sun Feb 1 11:50:29 EST 2015

Interesting discussion for a livecode list, but it can't resist jumping in. I think the issue of titles is very cultural. In the US, titles are much less important than they are in English society, for example (at least from my extensive knowledge gained by watching "Downton Abbey"). After I got my PhD in physics, occasionally a friend would jokingly tell me she had a pain in her back, or wherever. I'd immediately suggest that she remove her blouse so I could take a look. Ok, I was young. But it got a laugh. 

I must admit that, as an American where titles are not as important, I wouldn't call myself "Dr" on this list. Personally, I'd rather be judged on my comments and contributions, and I make stupid mistakes just as often as anyone else, and I consider myself a student of livecode anyway.

How we use language is cultural and the Oxford dictionary does add slang whose use becomes so common that is part of the language. In the US when we (or I) hear someone called Dr (outside of a college/academic context), I think first of an MD. If I were an MD and was told I wasn't a "real" doctor, I'd be insulted. It's cultural. Personally I'd feel like I was being pompous if I insisted that the title of Dr was used to address me outside of academia. Again, no criticism of Dr Hawkins. I am guessing that, in his world, it's customary.

One of the things I love about this list is its diversity and folks are not judged by titles, but by their contributions. We can respect others, even in the face of their mistakes or questions that sometimes seem uninteresting.

Ok, back to coffee.

William Prothero

> On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:03 PM, "Dr. Hawkins" <dochawk at> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at> wrote:
>> Sorry, but as an MD I have to protest this. I may not have contributed to
>> knowledge in the sense of having published original research, but i'm
>> confident that I have contributed to the well-being of thousands of
>> patients. That said, I don't take offense at being called "Mr." outside of
>> the office.
> I'm not disputing the value of MDs,  but the meaning of "doctor" for a
> couple of thousand of years before the creation of the modern MD.
> The modern MD was designed (or named) specifically to "borrow" the
> prestige/reputation/non-killing-patients of the doctors of the university,
> at a time when general medicine was more likely to hurt than help (I think
> crossover to net good was 1920, give or take, in the western world).
> It was a wonderful change, and a major factor in modern prosperity.  But an
> MD isn't what the word doctor (latin for "teach") has meant and been used
> as--one who has both acquired significant knowledge in a field, and
> contributed to that knowledge (and neither does a J.D., which I also have).
> I just get a kick out of it every time I hear the pompous "I'm a real
> doctor" from an MD dismissing, well, real doctors :)
> I don't mind the title around, but the chutzpah in dismissing the real
> thing is amusing.
> (I understand, however, that there was an older MD that was comparable to
> the PhD and DD, but that's not who most folks were treated by . . .)
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
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