From monte at appisle.net Tue Dec 1 00:16:43 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:16:43 +1100 Subject: How would YOU trade data within LC Android app between 2 tablets without INTERNET? In-Reply-To: <1448938011458-4699229.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <565CA44D.5010707@cogapp.com> <1448938011458-4699229.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > On 1 Dec 2015, at 1:46 pm, Simon wrote: > > Wahoo!! > Any idea what the further costing would be to bring on the full BLE? > I'd would be interested in a crowed sourced project. I?ll know more once I?ve implemented what I need to do the eddystone beacons. Cheers Monte From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 01:53:26 2015 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 01:53:26 -0500 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > 1. Horizontal/column view so it is easy to drill down from stack to card > to object, and see their relationships to everything else. Basically I want > Finder column view. > Navigator doesn't do the Finder column view exactly -- there is a menu with all the cards listed, and you can select any of them to see everything on that card. There's also a card list view, which shows all the cards (in case there are too many to show on a menu) and you can right-click any card to browse its controls. The list is filterable (as all control lists are) to make it easy to find the one you're looking for. > 2. I need to see card numbers and object layer numbers. > Navigator doesn't do this at all -- it never occurred to me. What's the purpose? It would be easy to add in general, but maybe a little bother to get right with the filtering. > 3. I need to see IDs for all cards and objects. > Done, this is a preference setting. > 4. I need the ability to open the property inspector for an unselected > object for quick reference, without changing the current selection or > location. > In the preferences, unhilite AutoUpdate Selection. Then either right click and select Object Inspector (N) or set the prefs so a double-click, option-double-click, or option-command-double-click opens the object inspector. Or use Navigator's built-in property tools. Oh, or make a bookmark of the controls -- clicking bookmarks doesn't update the selection. > I'll probably think of other things. The main problem for me is the amount > of scrolling necessary to locate things > For really long lists of controls the filter function is your friend here. And the ability to open multiple Navigators. I was especially pleased when I made *everything* in Navigator behavior-based, so you can have dozens of copies if you need -- and a titlebar-double-click minimizes any of them, or a command-double-click in any titlebar minimizes/opens all of them. Bookmarks also help here. Wow, and saved control sets. I'd forgotten I did this. Bookmark whatever controls you like, then save and name the set. You can have as many sets as you like, and swap them out with a menu selection whenever you like. It seems control sets are local to a specific copy of Navigator, so I should look at that. , the inability to see where I'm at in the object hierarchy, > Navigator does this well for me, but YMMV and the way the PB forces unwanted navigation. > See the above, and again YMMV. From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 01:55:37 2015 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 01:55:37 -0500 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <56575F42.3030101@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: > I personally use Geoff's Navigator all the time. I find it indispensable! > I have never liked the Application Browser. > > I?m always surprised at how few people have even heard of the Navigator - > let alone actually using it - despite the fact that it is bundled with > LiveCode. > > Thanks again, Geoff. > > Paul Looney > You're welcome, and despite the lack of attention I've given Navigator over the past ten years or so, I have to admit a certain perverse joy that it still functions as well as it does. I'm a bit concerned about how it will fare with LC 8's new control types though... From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Dec 1 01:57:23 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 00:57:23 -0600 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/30/2015 4:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Thanks Jacque, this is a good list. I deleted a long commentary before I hit Send. :) > >> 2. I need to see card numbers and object layer numbers. > > Would it be sufficient to have something like . > instead of just ? Perhaps there might be a way in preferences > to specify an object descriptor to use??? This would be a fairly > lightweight change I think. Trying to add proper columns would be > much more work. Number-name would work, though it isn't as easy to read as a column. But I'd be okay with it. Not sure what you mean by "object descriptor" though. > >> 3. I need to see IDs for all cards and objects. > > Do you need to see IDs all the time or just sometimes? Just sometimes, but I usually leave IDs in view anyway. The tooltips in the AB make me crazy so I turn off tooltips (and I don't want them in LC 8 either, but they're better than nothing.) I keep the ID column visible in the App Browser instead. > What do you > need them for? the tooltip gives you the long ID in LC 8. Would it be > helpful to have a Copy Object Reference > Short ID ? Long Name in the > contextual menu? What about drag and drop object references to the > script editor or drag an image off the browser and drop on a button > and it sets the icon and IDs into the property inspector? All fairly > easy fixes but you need to detail what you are using the ID for to > see if they resolve the issue. I do need IDs for icons, so either the "copy short ID" or drag/drop you suggest would be great -- as long as clicking on the image to drag it didn't change the selection. But IDs are imperative when I get an error message like this: Hint: field id 12345 of card id 2069 of stack... This is common in mobile apps, and when it shows up it's almost impossible to find the object if you can't scan a list for IDs. In the App Browser you can display the IDs in their own column, and then sort the controls by ID. It only takes seconds to find the object that way. When I'm working on mobile apps I always have the ID column in the App Browser showing. Which reminds me, someone mentioned the ability to sort by various criteria and this example is one of those times I need that. I work a lot on other people's stacks and you'd be surprised how many people never name the controls. > >> 4. I need the ability to open the property inspector for an >> unselected object for quick reference, without changing the current >> selection or location. > > Yes! Me too. Perhaps a preference whether clicking on the flipper of > a group selects the object and actions from the contextual menu > shouldn?t select the object. You should need to click on the name to > select the object and open the stack. I expect this isn?t all that > tricky a change either. Agreed. Left-clicking the name should change the target object that will be acted on. Double-clicking a name should both change the target and additionally navigate to it in the stack. Right-clicking should present the contextual menu and leave the original target intact. And a feature request: It would be nice to be able to copy or cut an object from elsewhere and paste it into the current card you're looking at, without needing to first change your location to go get that object. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Tue Dec 1 01:57:30 2015 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 06:57:30 +0000 Subject: SQLite, keep connection open or close every time? In-Reply-To: References: <5654CBBA.1080400@fourthworld.com> <36A66130-4F00-40E9-8205-9D6B511EB055@iotecdigital.com> <32CF24C6003946ECBB2910FE958708F8@GATEWAY> <8A65A712-B23B-487C-A2AE-072E51DFB541@iotecdigital.com> Message-ID: Turns out SQLite now has a built-in user authentication module. Revopndatabase already has user and password parameters but they have not yet been extended to sqlite. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, 8:50 PM Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar > wrote: > > > The big reason I can think of to use it is that it is very easy to set up > > and maintain. Security is handled by the file system it sits on. > > > It's also magnificent for an in-memory variable system. I originally used > an array (my system picked up new variables in forms automatically; most > aren't actually coded), but SELECT WHERE made it worth changing. > > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From smudge.andy at googlemail.com Tue Dec 1 01:44:12 2015 From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:44:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gmail API and Oath 2 - How to access using LiveCode ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1448952252147-4699237.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Roland, You may find it easier to pass info to and from your LiveCode app using one of the Google OAuth 2.0 libraries. The PHP version is proberbly the easiest to work with. Library info here> https://developers.google.com/gmail/xoauth2_libraries ----- Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now: Get Copy Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Gmail-API-and-Oath-2-How-to-access-using-LiveCode-tp4699181p4699237.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Dec 1 02:03:07 2015 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:03:07 -0800 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off Message-ID: Nobody else did Cyber Monday sales? Come on Monte! Hugh! We can't be the only ones :-) Valentina Studio Pro and Valentina Server are 50% through end of day 12/1/2015. Studio is your go-to tool for working with databases (SQLite, MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Valentina DB, etc) and report design. It has great features like Visual SQL Builder, diagramming, SQL DIFF and more. Server acts as a three way server: Reports Server, Valentina DB Server, and SQLite Server. You can build LiveCode apps with a local SQLite database and then scale them up to complete server applications. Also, you can use the free portion of our ADKs to have reports generated off of the server. http://valentina-db.com/en/store Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From monte at appisle.net Tue Dec 1 04:53:04 2015 From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 20:53:04 +1100 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <9D8D099F-75B3-4741-97B3-78D6C2CCB161@appisle.net> > On 1 Dec 2015, at 5:57 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Number-name would work, though it isn't as easy to read as a column. But I'd be okay with it. Not sure what you mean by "object descriptor" though. I just meant that some folks might like "number. name" and others might like "name (number)" and others might like "[id] name (number)? and some way to specify in the preferences might be good. Even just a range of choices might help. > But IDs are imperative when I get an error message like this: > > Hint: field id 12345 of card id 2069 of stack? Failing a proper mobile debugger some way to scroll to an object reference in the project browser would work for this. It probably would require a menu and a dialog to enter the object reference. > > Left-clicking the name should change the target object that will be acted on. Double-clicking a name should both change the target and additionally navigate to it in the stack. Yes, I suspect the navigate on single click is one of those cases where it works well for people new to the platform but for complicated apps I at least do a lot of work without opening the stacks I?m working on. You might change one thing and know it?s going to cause errors elsewhere so you change a lot of things before wanting to open the stack to test. Perhaps this could be a preference too? > Right-clicking should present the contextual menu and leave the original target intact. This appears to be the case already. In LC 7.1 I see that when using a contextual menu on a control will fail and the selected row will be the target but in LC 8 this works fine. The problem I find with LC 8 is that you can?t browse to a grouped control without selecting and navigating to the group because the clicking the flipper does that. I suspect this is just a bug. > > And a feature request: It would be nice to be able to copy or cut an object from elsewhere and paste it into the current card you're looking at, without needing to first change your location to go get that object. Yes that would be nice. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Dec 1 07:14:49 2015 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:14:49 +0100 Subject: [OT] Theo van Stratum Message-ID: <565D8F39.6090403@economy-x-talk.com> Theo, I don't know if you'll ever read this, but we can't send you any e-mails because of your anti-spam verification system. Sorry. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com https://www.facebook.com/marksch Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com From chipsm at themartinz.com Tue Dec 1 11:38:26 2015 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (Clarence P Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:38:26 -0800 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <087601d12c56$b4689f20$1d39dd60$@themartinz.com> I need an explanation. Is the difference between Pro and Universal the fact that the Universal can be run on any supported OS? And when is the price for the competitive upgrade displayed? Is it really 50% off? Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Cell: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Fredricks Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:03 PM To: 'How to use LiveCode' Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off Nobody else did Cyber Monday sales? Come on Monte! Hugh! We can't be the only ones :-) Valentina Studio Pro and Valentina Server are 50% through end of day 12/1/2015. Studio is your go-to tool for working with databases (SQLite, MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Valentina DB, etc) and report design. It has great features like Visual SQL Builder, diagramming, SQL DIFF and more. Server acts as a three way server: Reports Server, Valentina DB Server, and SQLite Server. You can build LiveCode apps with a local SQLite database and then scale them up to complete server applications. Also, you can use the free portion of our ADKs to have reports generated off of the server. http://valentina-db.com/en/store Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From chipsm at themartinz.com Tue Dec 1 11:47:29 2015 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (Clarence P Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:47:29 -0800 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <087a01d12c57$f7af6920$e70e3b60$@themartinz.com> I am assuming that if I want to qualify for the competitive upgrade, then use the renew option on the order form? Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Cell: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Fredricks Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:03 PM To: 'How to use LiveCode' Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off Nobody else did Cyber Monday sales? Come on Monte! Hugh! We can't be the only ones :-) Valentina Studio Pro and Valentina Server are 50% through end of day 12/1/2015. Studio is your go-to tool for working with databases (SQLite, MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Valentina DB, etc) and report design. It has great features like Visual SQL Builder, diagramming, SQL DIFF and more. Server acts as a three way server: Reports Server, Valentina DB Server, and SQLite Server. You can build LiveCode apps with a local SQLite database and then scale them up to complete server applications. Also, you can use the free portion of our ADKs to have reports generated off of the server. http://valentina-db.com/en/store Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 13:54:54 2015 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:54:54 -0500 Subject: How would YOU trade data within LC Android app between 2 tablets without INTERNET? Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for tips so far: But, .... Advice From: Advance IT BITCOM went zooming past me to quickly to comprehend. --- snip --- Create a workgroup for all devices and share folders with privileges. Once this is done add code in New app to search iPhone range for devices and share --- end snip --- So, to create a "workgroup." I see this on the Mac. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workgroup_Manager The iPhone range for devices must be for iOS, not Andoid, right? Seems like a simple solution, beyond that "add code in New app" part too. -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Dec 1 14:01:01 2015 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 11:01:01 -0800 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off In-Reply-To: <087a01d12c57$f7af6920$e70e3b60$@themartinz.com> References: <087a01d12c57$f7af6920$e70e3b60$@themartinz.com> Message-ID: <2C4BD8C4942F4B95AEB3BA04B3AA318E@GATEWAY> > I am assuming that if I want to qualify for the competitive > upgrade, then use the renew option on the order form? The Cyber Monday special and competitive upgrade aren't usable together. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Dec 1 14:11:10 2015 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 11:11:10 -0800 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off In-Reply-To: <087601d12c56$b4689f20$1d39dd60$@themartinz.com> References: <087601d12c56$b4689f20$1d39dd60$@themartinz.com> Message-ID: > Is the difference between Pro and Universal the fact that the > Universal can be run on any supported OS? Yes. You can run the license on any one computer at a time, be it Windows, Mac OS X or Linux. > And when is the price for the competitive upgrade displayed? > Is it really 50% off? There's no "cross out" number. VSPro is usually $199.99, now its $100. It also applies to regular upgrades too. We are leaving the offer up for a few more hours, so if this interests you, don't delay. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode > [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Lynn Fredricks > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:03 PM > To: 'How to use LiveCode' > Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off > > Nobody else did Cyber Monday sales? Come on Monte! Hugh! We > can't be the only ones :-) > > Valentina Studio Pro and Valentina Server are 50% through end > of day 12/1/2015. > > Studio is your go-to tool for working with databases (SQLite, > MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Valentina DB, etc) and report > design. It has great features like Visual SQL Builder, > diagramming, SQL DIFF and more. > > Server acts as a three way server: Reports Server, Valentina > DB Server, and SQLite Server. You can build LiveCode apps > with a local SQLite database and then scale them up to > complete server applications. Also, you can use the free > portion of our ADKs to have reports generated off of the server. > > http://valentina-db.com/en/store > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Dec 1 14:49:24 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:49:24 -0600 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: <9D8D099F-75B3-4741-97B3-78D6C2CCB161@appisle.net> References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> <9D8D099F-75B3-4741-97B3-78D6C2CCB161@appisle.net> Message-ID: <565DF9C4.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> On 12/1/2015 3:53 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> > But IDs are imperative when I get an error message like this: >> > >> > Hint: field id 12345 of card id 2069 of stack? > Failing a proper mobile debugger some way to scroll to an object reference in the project browser would work for this. It probably would require a menu and a dialog to enter the object reference. That would be more fiddly than just looking at a column of IDs. So far the things we've talked about are work-arounds for the lack of a column view. The best solution would be to enhance the AB and include it as an alternate layout in the PB. It doesn't need much updating if the only goal is to make it "pretty". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Dec 1 15:39:14 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:39:14 -0600 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <565E0572.2060209@hyperactivesw.com> On 12/1/2015 12:53 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Navigator doesn't do the Finder column view exactly That's the blocker for me, not just in Navigator but in all the alternate control browsers I've looked at (four so far.) All the alternatives are well written and feature-rich, but they are all use either separate lists, or very long lists with indentations to indicate owners and groups. With any more than a few controls, the indentations scroll off the window and you've lost your reference point. The alternatives all appear to be very good tools for someone who works only on their own stacks with a limited number of controls. In that case, you already know the layout and structure, and it's fine to isolate things into independent lists and groups, or indented lists which won't be so long that they require a lot of scrolling or the additional overhead of repeated filtering. (And don't get me started on the PB filtering. There is no documentation in the user guide, and I can't remember the secret syntax that even lets me isolate a control type. In the AB you can just click on a header to do that.) But a lot of my work involves short sprints with stacks that other people have written, where I don't know the layout or the organization. Controls often have no names and use haphazard layouts. I need an overview that doesn't require a lot of clicking around and doesn't require me to memorize what objects are on what card before I can navigate accurately. In that situation, isolated lists of things don't work, you always have to know where you are on the map. I need to jump from one place to another repeatedly, and the easiest way to do that is with a hierarchical breadcrumb display. My ideal control browser would be based on the paned column view of the App Browser with some of the additional features of the PB added. I wish the AB had been enhanced rather than rewritten as an infinite list of awkwardly accessible controls that displays less information in a larger footprint. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Dec 1 15:51:15 2015 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 12:51:15 -0800 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: <565DF9C4.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> <9D8D099F-75B3-4741-97B3-78D6C2CCB161@appisle.net> <565DF9C4.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I'm waiting for an LC release that has the AB available as a plugin and to look into doing exactly what you suggest. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 12/1/15, 11:49 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay" wrote: >On 12/1/2015 3:53 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> > But IDs are imperative when I get an error message like this: >>> > >>> > Hint: field id 12345 of card id 2069 of stack? >> Failing a proper mobile debugger some way to scroll to an object >>reference in the project browser would work for this. It probably would >>require a menu and a dialog to enter the object reference. > >That would be more fiddly than just looking at a column of IDs. > >So far the things we've talked about are work-arounds for the lack of a >column view. The best solution would be to enhance the AB and include it >as an alternate layout in the PB. It doesn't need much updating if the >only goal is to make it "pretty". > >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 1 15:54:17 2015 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:54:17 -0500 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off In-Reply-To: References: <087601d12c56$b4689f20$1d39dd60$@themartinz.com> Message-ID: Might I just say that a) I'm in (again) and b) I love VS On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > Is the difference between Pro and Universal the fact that the > > Universal can be run on any supported OS? > > Yes. You can run the license on any one computer at a time, be it Windows, > Mac OS X or Linux. > > > And when is the price for the competitive upgrade displayed? > > Is it really 50% off? > > There's no "cross out" number. VSPro is usually $199.99, now its $100. It > also applies to regular upgrades too. > > We are leaving the offer up for a few more hours, so if this interests you, > don't delay. > > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-livecode > > [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > > Lynn Fredricks > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:03 PM > > To: 'How to use LiveCode' > > Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off > > > > Nobody else did Cyber Monday sales? Come on Monte! Hugh! We > > can't be the only ones :-) > > > > Valentina Studio Pro and Valentina Server are 50% through end > > of day 12/1/2015. > > > > Studio is your go-to tool for working with databases (SQLite, > > MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Valentina DB, etc) and report > > design. It has great features like Visual SQL Builder, > > diagramming, SQL DIFF and more. > > > > Server acts as a three way server: Reports Server, Valentina > > DB Server, and SQLite Server. You can build LiveCode apps > > with a local SQLite database and then scale them up to > > complete server applications. Also, you can use the free > > portion of our ADKs to have reports generated off of the server. > > > > http://valentina-db.com/en/store > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Fredricks > > Paradigma Software > > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Dec 1 16:24:32 2015 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:24:32 -0600 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> <9D8D099F-75B3-4741-97B3-78D6C2CCB161@appisle.net> <565DF9C4.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <565E1010.2040405@hyperactivesw.com> You will be everyone's hero. I can't wait. :) On 12/1/2015 2:51 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > I'm waiting for an LC release that has the AB available as a plugin and to > look into doing exactly what you suggest. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX/UI Design > > > > > On 12/1/15, 11:49 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay" > jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote: > >> On 12/1/2015 3:53 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>>>> But IDs are imperative when I get an error message like this: >>>>> >>>>> Hint: field id 12345 of card id 2069 of stack? >>> Failing a proper mobile debugger some way to scroll to an object >>> reference in the project browser would work for this. It probably would >>> require a menu and a dialog to enter the object reference. >> >> That would be more fiddly than just looking at a column of IDs. >> >> So far the things we've talked about are work-arounds for the lack of a >> column view. The best solution would be to enhance the AB and include it >> as an alternate layout in the PB. It doesn't need much updating if the >> only goal is to make it "pretty". >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Dec 1 16:31:39 2015 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 13:31:39 -0800 Subject: Death of the Application Browser In-Reply-To: <565E1010.2040405@hyperactivesw.com> References: <56573FEF.7060602@gmail.com> <56574214.6090501@fourthworld.com> <56574E26.5060905@gmail.com> <56575123.3050005@gmail.com> <702EBE69-CDFB-4283-843B-B785F7E5F178@appisle.net> <565AA024.5010107@hindu.org> <565CB483.5040201@hyperactivesw.com> <565D44D3.2000005@hyperactivesw.com> <9D8D099F-75B3-4741-97B3-78D6C2CCB161@appisle.net> <565DF9C4.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> <565E1010.2040405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Yeah, all three of us. ;-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 12/1/15, 1:24 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay" wrote: >You will be everyone's hero. I can't wait. :) > >On 12/1/2015 2:51 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> I'm waiting for an LC release that has the AB available as a plugin and >>to >> look into doing exactly what you suggest. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design >> >> >> >> >> On 12/1/15, 11:49 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay" >> > jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote: >> >>> On 12/1/2015 3:53 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>>>>> But IDs are imperative when I get an error message like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hint: field id 12345 of card id 2069 of stack? >>>> Failing a proper mobile debugger some way to scroll to an object >>>> reference in the project browser would work for this. It probably >>>>would >>>> require a menu and a dialog to enter the object reference. >>> >>> That would be more fiddly than just looking at a column of IDs. >>> >>> So far the things we've talked about are work-arounds for the lack of a >>> column view. The best solution would be to enhance the AB and include >>>it >>> as an alternate layout in the PB. It doesn't need much updating if the >>> only goal is to make it "pretty". >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From chipsm at themartinz.com Tue Dec 1 16:56:54 2015 From: chipsm at themartinz.com (Clarence P Martin) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:56:54 -0800 Subject: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off In-Reply-To: <2C4BD8C4942F4B95AEB3BA04B3AA318E@GATEWAY> References: <087a01d12c57$f7af6920$e70e3b60$@themartinz.com> <2C4BD8C4942F4B95AEB3BA04B3AA318E@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <091301d12c83$32094020$961bc060$@themartinz.com> Please look at my order. It may need to be adjusted. I ordered my copy as an upgrade. Order # 151201 00020746 Sincerely, Clarence Martin Email: chipsm at themartinz.com Cell: 626 6965561 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Fredricks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 11:01 AM To: 'How to use LiveCode' Subject: RE: Cyber Monday Sale: Valentina Studio Pro & Server 50% Off > I am assuming that if I want to qualify for the competitive upgrade, > then use the renew option on the order form? The Cyber Monday special and competitive upgrade aren't usable together. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From paul at researchware.com Tue Dec 1 17:30:23 2015 From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:30:23 -0500 Subject: Issue with creating a Recent Files menu... Message-ID: <565E1F7F.3080100@researchware.com> I have an issue with creating a "Recent Files" menu and I am wondering if anyone on the list has a work-around: I do not want to pose any restrictions on files names other than what the operating system itself does. So I build a menu of file names. However, special characters in menu items create accelerator keys, disable menus, set or unset check boxes and so on: Dictionary for "menu" excerpt: The syntax for menu item strings is: []