What is this - is anyone making money?

Kaveh Bazargan kaveh at rivervalleytechnologies.com
Thu Aug 20 13:20:51 CEST 2015

Wow, and here I was thinking you just do "lorem ipsum":



On 20 August 2015 at 16:40, Todd Fabacher <tfabacher at gmail.com> wrote:

>  > As many of us I have paid for the licenses, put money out for free
>  > development expecting some wanted features, continued for Indie
>  > advancement payments (hope to live beyond the licenses expire),
>  > I have to ask my colleague developers, are you making any money with
>  > the apps you develop (with LC)?  Or is it just fun?
> This is the question that is on the lips of so many developers I meet in
> the LiveCode community in the last year since I have started to use LC as a
> development tool. The real critical problem is many expect LC to be a genie
> in a bottle and grant you three profitable apps.
> Mostly, it is lack of experience that has created this illusion. The lack
> of profitability is more related to a void in understanding how to develop
> profitable business apps vs. LiveCode. I have been working with dozens of
> developers from the class to help them on their journey.  But that is a
> small amount of the 500+ who are taking the class. Many do indeed purchase
> LiveCode like they do language software and thing the will learn to speak
> French simply by osmosis.
> At DP have been like elfs, quietly toiling away for a year, but are about
> to launch 5 very profitable Apps in addition to the 16 Apps [we still have
> 4 to go] that we helped LiveCode with for the "Create It With LiveCode"
> class. Granted I have more resources than most, but here is what we have
> done in a year:
> *UBook24-7*: A management App + online scheduling website which allows
> people to book appointments online, and the owner uses the App to manage
> the business. The main focus is barber, hair salon, sports instructors and
> personal trainers. Price $229 / year including a website and hosting.
> *Express Event*: A management App + online eCommerce website for Events and
> conferences. It provides a complete solution including event ticket sales,
> speaker management , class registration, multi-locations for event "Tours"
> and lots more. We also have an option for the event to have their own App.
> Price $299 / year including a website and hosting. Plus another one time
> fee of $299 if you want an event App.
> *Build a Tour App*: A management App + online website + Custom App Tour App
> designed by them for self guided Tours. We are in Full beta with cities,
> universities, a wine area in NZ and a cruise line. A desktop app allows
> them to manage and design their tour app [text, images, audio, video and
> languages]. We take their data and match it agains a pre-build LC App
> template, charge them $499 for the App and $29/ month for a website that
> promotes the App and acts as a central server to update the app data and
> advertising on an ongoing basis.
> *MenuMania*: A management App + online website + Custom Menu App designed
> by them with the desktop management app. For many hotels, restaurants,
> airports  or other places where language and speed are an issue, we have
> developed a simple "menu maker". So instead of giving them a menu, a tablet
> is provided or is attached to the table. You see this in many airports now,
> but will begin to move to all food services. You can order and pay on the
> device and the food comes right out. Several New York restaurants are
> interested more in using this as a wine list as it can make suggestions
> based on the menu, and will provide a more information on the winery which
> people are always interested in. We have just started connecting with
> the Culinary Institute of America to try and make this not just about fast
> food. $499 for the App and $29/ month for a web server. Also we are looking
> into a kitchen management system to go with it, but that is 2016.
> *PlayLand Armenia*: The team in Armenia what to do this, so I said OK. No
> it is not profitable and in actuality I am loosing money on it, but it was
> a great team builder and help teach some critical skills. It is an app
> where Armenian kids 5-10 around the world can play online games together,
> become friends and learn Armenian. This was the teams contribution for the
> memory of the 100 year Genocide. So rather focus on the negative, they
> provide a way for the Armenian kids around the world to still feel
> connected.
> *3 large Contact Apps*: We are doing 3 apps on a contact basis. These have
> helped us learn new technology and provided the revenue to teach new people
> LiveCode.
> So my point is, I could do these in any language, but LiveCode allows me
> several critical advantages. Multi-platform, ease of use so I can hire and
> train people who have never even coded before and get them up to speed in
> 4-6 months, seamless connection between the app and LC web server using
> revIgniter and a great interface with WordPress which we use as the website
> for many of the web portion of the apps.
> I hope this answers your question.
> --Todd
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Kaveh Bazargan
River Valley Technologies
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