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Roger Eller roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
Wed Aug 19 18:16:10 CEST 2015


Good for beginners, yes.  But also for speciaized areas of a workflow, like
navigation defaults.  I didn't say lets make a UI that doesn't require any
code.  The Automation Engine I use has tasks that are for specialty
purposes, but also within this workflow environment you can add a external
task icon, allowing it to run a javascript, vbscript, Adobe ExtendScript,
AppleScript, etc., and return values to variables (called SmartNames in
AE), and continue doing stuff.  So, it depends on the approach I guess.  If
the UI could be used to link screens (cards or stacks), and house the logic
of when to show them and what visual effects, etc. but also allow fully
scriptable LiveCode objects, it might allow a novice the ability to "ease
into" programming, or the expert the ability to get a UI built more
efficiently.

~Roger



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On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
wrote:

> This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will
> continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic.
> The whole "build without writing code" concept is pretty big right now.
> But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when logic
> gets complex.  And it's unlikely that a visual interface could handle all
> the options provided by the LiveCode language.  But for simple projects,
> this could be useful for beginners, or when quickly building a stack.
>
> Apple's Automator has worked this way for years now, and Audio Hijack on
> OS X is another app that recently employed a visual UI:
> https://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 8/19/15, 5:20 AM, "Roger Eller" <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
>
> >Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in our
> >prepress shop.  You may not think "programming" when you hear the word
> >"prepress", but with AE, that is exactly what it is.  We take business
> >logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, etc.
> >with a graphical workflow editor.  Tasks are listed on the right, which
> >you
> >drag onto the workspace and arrange and connect them.  Each task has
> >properties you set by double-clicking to open a panel.  This would be a
> >slick way to build, or at least connect LC objects to their
> >inputs/outputs/errors.  Have a look at this short video.  Ignore the stuff
> >about artwork QC.
> >
> >I think a "modern" editor should be something like this... not VB6.
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnaqbH5QK8
> >
> >~Roger
> >On Aug 19, 2015 1:31 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Richmond wrote:
> >>
> >> > My main 'beef' with an IDE of the VB6 type is that it blocks the
> >> > desktop from view and doesn't seem good if one wants to rearrange
> >> > where one's palettes sit on the screen.
> >> >
> >> > Things might prove a bit awkward if one wants to make a stack as
> >> > big as one's desktop if one cannot shunt palettes around and about.
> >> >
> >> > Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth)
> >> > so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is
> >> > to be introduced to have it as one of 2 options.
> >>
> >> I believe it's more than about taste with LiveCode, it's about workflow.
> >>
> >> LiveCode isn't like other languages, where working with controls is
> >>little
> >> more than a drawing program because nothing there is LIVE CODE.
> >>
> >> For us, it's less like building an app inside of an IDE as it is running
> >> an IDE along side our apps.  Our windows are separate because they're
> >>real
> >> windows, not just inert proxies.
> >>
> >> I went into this in greater detail a couple months back:
> >> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2015-May/214703.html>
> >>
> >> The Viewer widget needed for that UI will be very nice for us, but I
> >>fear
> >> making an IDE based around it, as it would no longer be truly LIVE CODE.
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Richard Gaskin
> >>  Fourth World Systems
> >>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> >>  ____________________________________________________________________
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> >>
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