Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com
Wed Aug 19 17:41:48 CEST 2015


Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for
their new visual CMS:
https://webflow.com/cms

Building without programming is a popular trend :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

>This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will
>continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic.
>The whole "build without writing code" concept is pretty big right now.
>But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when logic
>gets complex.  And it's unlikely that a visual interface could handle all
>the options provided by the LiveCode language.  But for simple projects,
>this could be useful for beginners, or when quickly building a stack.
>
>Apple's Automator has worked this way for years now, and Audio Hijack on
>OS X is another app that recently employed a visual UI:
>https://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
>On 8/19/15, 5:20 AM, "Roger Eller" <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
>
>>Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in our
>>prepress shop.  You may not think "programming" when you hear the word
>>"prepress", but with AE, that is exactly what it is.  We take business
>>logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, etc.
>>with a graphical workflow editor.  Tasks are listed on the right, which
>>you
>>drag onto the workspace and arrange and connect them.  Each task has
>>properties you set by double-clicking to open a panel.  This would be a
>>slick way to build, or at least connect LC objects to their
>>inputs/outputs/errors.  Have a look at this short video.  Ignore the
>>stuff
>>about artwork QC.
>>
>>I think a "modern" editor should be something like this... not VB6.
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnaqbH5QK8
>>
>>~Roger
>>On Aug 19, 2015 1:31 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>> > My main 'beef' with an IDE of the VB6 type is that it blocks the
>>> > desktop from view and doesn't seem good if one wants to rearrange
>>> > where one's palettes sit on the screen.
>>> >
>>> > Things might prove a bit awkward if one wants to make a stack as
>>> > big as one's desktop if one cannot shunt palettes around and about.
>>> >
>>> > Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth)
>>> > so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is
>>> > to be introduced to have it as one of 2 options.
>>>
>>> I believe it's more than about taste with LiveCode, it's about
>>>workflow.
>>>
>>> LiveCode isn't like other languages, where working with controls is
>>>little
>>> more than a drawing program because nothing there is LIVE CODE.
>>>
>>> For us, it's less like building an app inside of an IDE as it is
>>>running
>>> an IDE along side our apps.  Our windows are separate because they're
>>>real
>>> windows, not just inert proxies.
>>>
>>> I went into this in greater detail a couple months back:
>>> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2015-May/214703.html>
>>>
>>> The Viewer widget needed for that UI will be very nice for us, but I
>>>fear
>>> making an IDE based around it, as it would no longer be truly LIVE
>>>CODE.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Systems
>>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>  ____________________________________________________________________
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