How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures

[Richmond]

On 26/02/14 16:22, Dave Kilroy wrote:
> Richmond - what you write about Irish history is 'interesting'
>

Well, that is not, quite honestly, my opinion, but that of an Irish 
friend of mine who had this to say:

"Unfortunately, it is the ‘Anti’ element of nationalism of which I was 
most aware when growing up in Ireland and this is why, even if I am not 
opposed to Scottish independence, (not being Scots myself, I do not have 
an opinion on the matter and regard it as something for the Scots to 
decide) the possibility of the breakup of the UK makes me feel a bit 
queasy. I can only comment about the Irish experience, from which the 
Scots the English and the Welsh all in their desire for ‘independence’ 
would do well to draw lessons. Secession from the UK, even if it 
satisfied a desire for ‘independence’ or ‘freedom’ was a disaster for 
Ireland. The independence that was achieved was flawed by the fact that 
Ireland effectively remained a province of the UK which was inevitable 
given that most of its trade was with the UK. We may have been 
‘independent’ but decisions that affected us were still being made in 
the Westminster parliament to which because of a choice exercised, not 
by the people of Ireland, but by a group of separatists, we were now 
unable to send representatives. In the aftermath of the secession 
Ireland became increasingly provincial and inward looking and not only 
the English, Scots and Welsh, but also Irish people who did not conform 
to the ideal of what was required to be ‘Irish’ were most definitely 
regarded as ‘other’. And the much vaunted ‘freedom’ which the 
separatists believed that they had achieved was squandered as the 
Catholic Church was increasingly deferred to by politicians with results 
of which I am sure that you are aware. Sectarianism reigned in both 
parts of the island, more spectacularly in Ulster, but insidiously and 
destructively in the South which lost most of its Protestant population 
in the first 40 years of independence. This situation would have 
continued for much longer had the country not been ‘rescued’ by its 
membership of the EU. Of course the history of Scotland’s relationship 
with England is very different to that of Ireland; it is a history of 
dynastic alliances rather than of conquest and plantation, so it is to 
be hoped that if the Scots decide in favour of independence (and it now 
seems that sooner or later they probably will) the path that will be 
followed will be closer to that of the Czechs and the Slovaks than that 
followed by the Irish."

Richmond.

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