AW: AW: serial numbers on standalones

Tiemo Hollmann TB toolbook at kestner.de
Tue Mar 26 06:00:09 CDT 2013


As of my experience of the last years there is a minimum of computers
changing their mac addresses regulary. In my daily business I would estimate
it below 1%. But almost every computer has more than one mac address,
including virtual addresses and they change their sequence when reading
them. Or they have temporary mac addresses, like from a USB-stick, sticked
on/off. That really can be a pain handling that waterproofed.
Tiemo

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Richmond
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. März 2013 11:39
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: AW: serial numbers on standalones
> 
> On 26/03/13 12:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > I know, that it is very unpopular to supply very strict and controlled
> > licence models and rely on all the nice and lovely pirates to come
> > back to me, but I can't confirm at all these models in my daily
business.
> > Perhaps it is related to my client base, I don't know. But I made the
> > experience with two different licensing models in the last 15 years in
> > the same target audience (partly even with the same customers) with
> > our products. One product licence was very open and was based on
> > "fairness and following our licence model" with very low piracy
> > protection, the other product license is tied very strict to the
> > hardware (wich actually has some painful sides, but for us it's the
> better choice).
> > After having sold one or any number of licences of product 1to a
> > dedicated target group, we never have sold a second licence in that
> > group (e.g. all teachers of a school). After having sold licences of
> > product 2 we are constantly selling additional licences within the
> > same target group. And no, it doesn't depend on the product, I know
> > that they all are using product 1 too. As I said, perhaps this is a
> > special behavior of our target group (teachers). In the last decades I
> > never have met people who are less aware of law, piracy and licensing
> > as teachers (sorry Richmond)
> 
> Don't be sorry; I know that is a fact.
> 
> Trying to explain to a parent of twins why she should pay for 2 copies of
a
> student workbook, rather than just one followed by a quick trip to the
> photocopy shop is an uphill, and unproductive exercise, that only serves
to
> convince people I am some sort of nutcase round these parts.
> 
> Mind you, here in Bulgaria about 95% of the population are either 100%
> unaware of law, piracy and licensing, or, even if they are, couldn't care
> less.
> 
> I am becoming increasingly in favour of hardware tethering of software
> after trying to explain what a site licence is and ending up with zero
> comprehension as the interlocutor cannot see why they shouldn't just
> duplicate the individually licensed executable across as many machines as
> they require.
> 
> The only problem (as was pointed out on this list) is that many machines
> keep changing their Mac address and I am unaware of any other, more
> permanent, hardware feature Livecode can grab hold of.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> >
> > Just my 2 cents
> > Tiemo
> >
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > Auftrag
> >> von Timothy Miller
> >> Gesendet: Samstag, 16. März 2013 21:31
> >> An: How to use LiveCode
> >> Betreff: Re: serial numbers on standalones
> >>
> >> On Mar 16, 2013, at 12:00 PM, kee nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The people who make a lot of money selling software are those that
> >>> focus
> >> on how to get more people to use their software, not those who focus
> >> on
> > how
> >> to get less people to use their software.
> >>> The "get more people" group occasionally will "crack" their software
> >>> and
> >> upload that crack to a crack site so that people can steal their
> software.
> >> Having a crack shows that someone cared enough about the software to
> >> spend time to crack it because of the street cred that would give
> >> them. No one cracks lame software thus 
 this software must not be
> >> lame. In addition,
> > no
> >> one wants to be the second person to crack some software so other
> >> cracks don't appear.
> >>> Secondly, most people that pirate software don't really use it. And
> >>> if
> >> they do, you've just had someone experience your software and figure
> >> out what it is good for. People like me who pay for software, ask for
> >> recommendations, and I'm fairly certain that many of the
> >> recommendations come from people who have pirated software. Pirates
> >> can be your
> > advertising
> >> channel.
> >>> Finally, the crack if the pirate is still using the cracked software
> >> after 6 months, they can be converted into a buyer. It has some weird
> >> bug that pops up. The solution to that specific bug is to buy the
> >> upgrade. If someone running a cracked version gets that error
> >> message, they are using it for real and they will frequently pay for
the
> upgrade.
> >>> Kee Nethery
> >> Wow! You really nailed it. I've read similar commentaries, but yours
> >> is clear and concise.
> >>
> >> I'm working on a book, thinking about self-publishing, selling to the
> >> public from a website, while taking care to maintain control of the
> >> copyright, maybe going with a  commercial publisher later, if it's
> >> successful. I've feared piracy, heard both sides of the debate.
> >>
> >> You've convinced me (unless someone later on this thread changes my
> mind).
> >>
> >> With software, it seems, one way to limit piracy damage is to upgrade
> >> routinely. With literature, it might help to release periodic
> >> revisions,
> > or
> >> regularly add new material.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Miller
> >>
> >>
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