Tom- The Story of the Ribbon is online. It's an interesting thing to watch, especially through all the pain of why new Word menu interfaces didn't work, but it still doesn't make it right. https://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx?Redirected=true -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net