validating "per use" licensing

[Richmond]

On 07/14/2012 06:35 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Presumably it is "Dr Hawkins", although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand
>> how
>> to use titles, as one only puts "Esq." (notice the full-stop)
> Someone lost mine while quoting.  See the unquoted signature below.
>
>> after the name of somebody
>> who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a
>> physician, an MB).
> In the United States, it is put after the name of all admitted
> attorneys (we don't have a solicitor/barrister distinction).

What is a barrister? I don't think we have those sort of beasts in 
Scotland, although
we do have writers to the signet.

>
> Whether you don't use the Dr. if an Esq., or don't use the Esq. if a
> Dr., seems to have a split of opinion.
>
> If you want to toss in *everything, it's
>
> Dr. Richard Edmund Stephen Hawkins, J.D., Ph.D., Esq.
>
>
>> On writing to somebody who has "Esq." after their name one usually begins a
>> letter:
>>
>> Dear Mr XXXX
>>
>> Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be
>> pompous by
>> putting "Esq." after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself
>> "Mr" and they address the envelope "Richmond Mathewson. Esq.") is to address
>> them in one of the
> If I filed a pleading *without* the Esq. in the name in a court that
> wasn't familiar with me, it would probably trigger a check by the
> clerk to see if I was a lawyer.
>
> And clients expect it; send a letter without one and they ask why the
> other lawyers have it and you don't . . .
>
> OTOH, I've never introduced myself as "Dr. Hawkins" outside of an
> academic setting.  (however, I'd likely do so in response to an M.D.
> who introduces himself as "Dr. Smith."  I'm a real doctor, not a
> physician, and don't have the inherited inferiority complex (oddly
> mixed with a God complex) that comes from the modern M.D. being a
> watered down thing designed with the explicit purpose of borrowing the
> respect/prestige/not-killing-people of the doctors of the university.
> Having taken out one of the two key features of what "doctor" meant
> for a couple of thousand years, they progressed to claiming to be
> "real doctors." [note:  some are, but most have never *contributed* to
> knowledge])

Well and true.

Notwithstanding that, my grandfather, Dr Richmond McIntosh (M.D.) was
bothe real medical doctor (i.e. not just an M. B.) and contributed to 
knowldge (search for his stuff
in the BMJ on the internet).
>
> This account is dochawk instead of hawk for the simple reason that
> early gmail required at least 6 characters, and my students were
> already receiving email from a dochawk account at Penn State.
>
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