[OT] HyperCard and the Interactive Web

Joe Lewis Wilkins pepetoo at cox.net
Wed Feb 15 01:52:08 EST 2012


Peter,

Great observations; so we have even more than just generation gaps with which to deal. I'm sure Richmond will have a lot more to add to this from his experiences with children in his part of the world. Personally, I'm getting way behind these days by not using anything but desktop Macs. I'm waiting for the first computer that we can control telepathically; or that plugs into my sinus cavities and uses my bones for data storage.

Joe Wilkins


On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

> When I started working at UCLA in 1996 very few students had used computers before entering, or at least had used their own computers rather than a lab one in grade school. Now 15 years later all have a laptop in class. However, about 3/4 of the Mac-using students in a music history class use Spotlight to find files and open applications on their Macs and most of these don't know any other way to find their files. In other words, they don't really have a clue how the file system works. I only started to discover this when I had them install a project that I'm developing and found out that many have been running it from their Downloads folder and didn't know to do it any other way.
> 
> Would you call these people computer-literate? They sure are Web and social media literate. So the sooner OS X moves to an iOS-type Finder the better for them. It could be that OS X is just too easy to use and so they never learn more than Word, Google, YouTube, and Facebook. The Windows users seem to know a little more, at least their own version of Samsung Windows or Dell Windows, but it's only a little more.
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
> 
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> It is frightening to think that so many "kids" grow up to be adults and NEVER form the thought, "Maybe I don't know all about...". What positions do they eventually come to hold where doing the wrong thing means damage, pain and suffering and even death to themselves or others? 
>> 
>> Maybe what we ought to be impressing constantly on children is the incredible amount of knowledge they do NOT know? Maybe on the first day of computer class we should be overwhelming them with information that is WAAAY over their heads, and tell them that the following morning there will be a quiz on it. Then next morning tell them there is no quiz, but you do not ever want to hear the phrase, "I know all about..."
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> Certainly no flies on you!
>>> 
>>> Far more important, to my mind, is the fact that kids nowadays keep telling me they "know all
>>> about computers". Then I turn on the computers in the school and they ask me where Windows
>>> Explorer is, and when I explain that these computers work with something called Linux they say
>>> "but everybody knows that computers cannot work without Windows".
>>> 
>>> I wonder how many operating systems there are, apart from Windows, currently available to
>>> run bog-basic PCs?
>> 
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