From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sun Apr  1 01:52:12 2012
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:52:12 +0200
Subject: field focused but why ?
In-Reply-To: <056672C1-CFC0-4ED2-A307-0F917DF34A10@gmail.com>
References: <7204ECB7-9DC3-46A5-9DCA-10E6C494790C@laposte.net>
	<194CEBA4-A442-4236-A89D-E697D1D29826@swcp.com>
	<9337D047-E187-40C3-A424-819A4C80E07F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<B0E0D109-A099-4334-8559-D0701BEDBABE@swcp.com>
	<A8FDA264-9166-4DE3-91A9-4DF68B36BC3E@swcp.com>
	<056672C1-CFC0-4ED2-A307-0F917DF34A10@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C89F9BDE-FCAF-421C-92EF-3E8E17598CDB@laposte.net>


Le 1 avr. 2012 ? 05:02, Peter M. Brigham, MD a ?crit :

> If you put the field into a group and set the group's traversalon to false, it will prevent the field from getting the focus on opencard, at least in desktop stacks. Don't know if this works in iOS too.


Simple and effective !

Works on iOS.

Thanks


From toolbook at kestner.de  Sun Apr  1 05:38:19 2012
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:38:19 +0200
Subject: no association for launch document pdf
Message-ID: <000001cd0feb$2d67f010$8837d030$@de>

Hello,

are there any known issues with "launch document" on windows?

I have a simple: launch document (tPath & slash & "myPDF.pdf") which runs
fine on most computers but fails on some computers, also on my main
dev.machine with the result "no association" where it has run fine before. I
can launch PDFs just by double clicking in the explorer, so the basic
registry entries from Adobe and the PDF-ending must be associated correctly.
Probably LiveCode is looking for another registry entry, which is missing or
corrupted, perhaps by any adobe update. But to get sure, that I can't do
anything from my programming, beside of reinstalling adobe reader, I wanted
to ask, if perhaps anything has changed with launch document?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 06:54:20 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:54:20 +0300
Subject: [OT] inter-Face
Message-ID: <4F7833DC.5070108@gmail.com>

Kevin and Co. better give up any ideas of sorting out
all those bugs that have been festering for years and
get weaving before they are overtaken by this:

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 07:24:11 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:24:11 +0300
Subject: near feature parity
Message-ID: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com>

That would be super for us Linux users.



From barrysum at bigpond.net.au  Sun Apr  1 07:27:21 2012
From: barrysum at bigpond.net.au (Barry G. Sumpter)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:27:21 +1000
Subject: field focused but why ?
Message-ID: <001701cd0ffa$677f5090$367df1b0$@bigpond.net.au>

Thanks heaps Peter.
This works for Android as well



If you put the field into a group and set the group's traversalon to false, 
it will prevent the field from getting the focus on opencard, 
at least in desktop stacks. Don't know if this works in iOS too.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham




From barrysum at bigpond.net.au  Sun Apr  1 07:34:39 2012
From: barrysum at bigpond.net.au (Barry G. Sumpter)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:34:39 +1000
Subject: LC error - no association for launch document pdf with launch
	document
Message-ID: <001801cd0ffb$6ceb4ba0$46c1e2e0$@bigpond.net.au>

I use this format:
launch url "file:/Users/ben/Desktop/test.pdf"

------------------------------

Message: 24
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:38:19 +0200
From: "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolbook at kestner.de>
To: "'How to use LiveCode'" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: no association for launch document pdf
Message-ID: <000001cd0feb$2d67f010$8837d030$@de>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hello,

are there any known issues with "launch document" on windows?

I have a simple: launch document (tPath & slash & "myPDF.pdf") which runs
fine on most computers but fails on some computers, also on my main
dev.machine with the result "no association" where it has run fine before. I
can launch PDFs just by double clicking in the explorer, so the basic
registry entries from Adobe and the PDF-ending must be associated correctly.
Probably LiveCode is looking for another registry entry, which is missing or
corrupted, perhaps by any adobe update. But to get sure, that I can't do
anything from my programming, beside of reinstalling adobe reader, I wanted
to ask, if perhaps anything has changed with launch document?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 



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From stgoldberg at aol.com  Sun Apr  1 07:35:58 2012
From: stgoldberg at aol.com (stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:35:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Will Livecode 5.5 run 3.5 stacks?
Message-ID: <8CEDE12BDFD8CA5-1F40-B9D6@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com>

I'm considering upgrading to the latest version of Livecode. I'm still using LIvecode (Revolution) 3.5.0 to run a stack that I use as an invoice program from year to year and would like to continue using that stack.  Are there any problems with Livecode 5.5 opening and running the  Revolution 3.5?  Thanks.
Stephen Goldberg
stgoldberg at aol.com
www.medmaster.net


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Apr  1 08:03:23 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:03:23 +0200
Subject: Will Livecode 5.5 run 3.5 stacks?
In-Reply-To: <8CEDE12BDFD8CA5-1F40-B9D6@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEDE12BDFD8CA5-1F40-B9D6@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4202FA44-00F2-4082-9E00-46C576A73DC2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Stephen,

The best way to find out is to request a trial copy from RunRev and test your stack.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 1 apr 2012, at 13:35, stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:

> I'm considering upgrading to the latest version of Livecode. I'm still using LIvecode (Revolution) 3.5.0 to run a stack that I use as an invoice program from year to year and would like to continue using that stack.  Are there any problems with Livecode 5.5 opening and running the  Revolution 3.5?  Thanks.
> Stephen Goldberg
> stgoldberg at aol.com
> www.medmaster.net





From glambert at paradigmedia.com  Sun Apr  1 08:31:51 2012
From: glambert at paradigmedia.com (Gene Lambert)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:31:51 -0700
Subject: [OT] inter-Face
In-Reply-To: <4F7833DC.5070108@gmail.com>
References: <4F7833DC.5070108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cd1003$6a015170$3e03f450$@com>

Wow! I want one, or two.  The lawyers are going to love this.  If talking on
a cell phone while driving was an intense national issue, just wait until
they get wind of people wanting to drive around with a computer heads up
display in their field of vision!  Or, how about when your wife figures out
you're web surfing while she's rattling on about next Sunday's chores list.
Whoo-hoo, this product is going to remodel society as we know it!

Glene


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 3:54 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: [OT] inter-Face

Kevin and Co. better give up any ideas of sorting out all those bugs that
have been festering for years and get weaving before they are overtaken by
this:

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear

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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Apr  1 08:36:38 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:36:38 +0200
Subject: [OT] inter-Face
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd1003$6a015170$3e03f450$@com>
References: <4F7833DC.5070108@gmail.com> <000c01cd1003$6a015170$3e03f450$@com>
Message-ID: <7B2911ED-DDD3-4F19-A42B-1AD86E85D07B@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

Am 01.04.2012 um 14:31 schrieb Gene Lambert:

> Wow! I want one, or two.  The lawyers are going to love this.  If talking on
> a cell phone while driving was an intense national issue, just wait until
> they get wind of people wanting to drive around with a computer heads up
> display in their field of vision!  Or, how about when your wife figures out
> you're web surfing while she's rattling on about next Sunday's chores list.
> Whoo-hoo, this product is going to remodel society as we know it!
> 
> Glene
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 3:54 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: [OT] inter-Face
> 
> Kevin and Co. better give up any ideas of sorting out all those bugs that
> have been festering for years and get weaving before they are overtaken by
> this:
> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear

I might consider getting one, but only after they managed to shrink the battery a bit!
Seems a bit "chunky" right now :-D


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 09:20:51 2012
From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (mark.rauterkus at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:20:51 +0000
Subject: P
Message-ID: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>


Sent from my BlackBerry?

From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 09:29:05 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:29:05 -0600
Subject: New google feature for business
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Google has a new feature.. Google teleport!
http://www.google.com/adwords/extensions/teleport.html

Also google maps for NES. It is in closed beta for now but to try it in a
simulator go to maps.google.com and click the "quest" button in the upper
right.

Google has also developed an autonomous racecar for use in nascar races.
More info can be found http://www.google.com/racing/


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 09:41:47 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:41:47 +0300
Subject: [OT] GNOME 4
Message-ID: <4F785B1B.5080905@gmail.com>

This should solve all Linux users' problems:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120402



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 09:42:49 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:42:49 +0300
Subject: New google feature for business
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F785B59.2010200@gmail.com>

On 04/01/2012 04:29 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Google has a new feature.. Google teleport!
> http://www.google.com/adwords/extensions/teleport.html
>
> Also google maps for NES. It is in closed beta for now but to try it in a
> simulator go to maps.google.com and click the "quest" button in the upper
> right.
>
> Google has also developed an autonomous racecar for use in nascar races.
> More info can be found http://www.google.com/racing/
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Wow! It's the 32 of March!



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 09:50:16 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:50:16 +0300
Subject: Rumours about Livecode 6.0
Message-ID: <4F785D18.2050402@gmail.com>

Is it true that the Runtime Revolution people are completely redesigning 
the Livecode
interface?

I certainly began to wonder when a source "close to the throne" leaked this:

http://lowendmac.com/ppclinux/02/art/mac1.gif

notice "dv" in the top, right-hand corner.

particularly glad to see that they are proposing to release a new PPC 
engine for Mac Classic!

Personally I think it is great leap forward (almost as great a leap as 
Chairman Mao's).



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 09:51:17 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:51:17 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F785D55.2040308@together.net>

Not even sure this is possible.

I want to create a simple app that can be controlled by an external 
bluetooth keyboard. I realize there are no functions to support any 
mouse/cursor-related operations, so this would need to be done differently.

The only idea I have is to use keyboard input. For example...

Let's say the app has a video player in it. I want the keyboard to 
control start, pause and stop.

I assume that, if a field was open for input, the user could press a key 
on the bluetooth keyboard... say "S"... after which the LC code would 
close the onscreen keyboard and start playing the video.

Is there some way, then, for a press of a key on the bluetooth keyboard 
to be recognized by the app, without requiring the user to touch the 
screen and open a field?

Thanks.
Richard Miller



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 10:05:49 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:05:49 +0300
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
Message-ID: <4F7860BD.10305@gmail.com>

On 04/01/2012 04:51 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
> Not even sure this is possible.
>
> I want to create a simple app that can be controlled by an external 
> bluetooth keyboard. I realize there are no functions to support any 
> mouse/cursor-related operations, so this would need to be done 
> differently.
>
> The only idea I have is to use keyboard input. For example...
>
> Let's say the app has a video player in it. I want the keyboard to 
> control start, pause and stop.
>
> I assume that, if a field was open for input, the user could press a 
> key on the bluetooth keyboard... say "S"... after which the LC code 
> would close the onscreen keyboard and start playing the video.
>
> Is there some way, then, for a press of a key on the bluetooth 
> keyboard to be recognized by the app, without requiring the user to 
> touch the screen and open a field?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
>

I'm probably being dead naive here, but, surely, if an OS recognises a 
keyboard as a keyboard
Livecode should respond to keyDowns and keyUps from that keyboard . . .

just for example; I use Nostromo Gamepads (not as gamepads) for 
repetitive tasks (i.e. transfers
things such as Copy, Paste and so on over to my non-mouse hand); and 
both Livecode and Livecode
standalones have no problem recognising the Nostromos as input devices 
capable of sending keyDown signals.

The only problem I can foresee is how you are going to get a keyDown/Up 
on your Bluetooth
keyboard to close the onscreen keyboard (on some sort of Pad presumably 
- you didn't make that clear).



From jim at d-film.com  Sun Apr  1 10:37:53 2012
From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:37:53 -0400
Subject: Rumours about Livecode 6.0
In-Reply-To: <4F785D18.2050402@gmail.com>
References: <4F785D18.2050402@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+n2HHN9wthWnBVE5gAKyjeGXW4DNm9Z2+C3xy3L1j4yZLbcFw@mail.gmail.com>

Love the retro look! Seems so familiar somehow.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Apr  1 11:04:40 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:04:40 -0500
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
Message-ID: <8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Richard Miller wrote:

> Not even sure this is possible.
> 
> I want to create a simple app that can be controlled by an external bluetooth keyboard. I realize there are no functions to support any mouse/cursor-related operations, so this would need to be done differently.
> 
> The only idea I have is to use keyboard input. For example...
> 
> Let's say the app has a video player in it. I want the keyboard to control start, pause and stop.
> 
> I assume that, if a field was open for input, the user could press a key on the bluetooth keyboard... say "S"... after which the LC code would close the onscreen keyboard and start playing the video.
> 
> Is there some way, then, for a press of a key on the bluetooth keyboard to be recognized by the app, without requiring the user to touch the screen and open a field?

Richard, I'm sure that a bluetooth keyboard would act the same as the onscreen keyboard would; that is, it *should* send the keyDown, keyUp, rawKeyDown, and rawKeyUp messages to the current card; you can then trap for this in the card script (or stack script, etc.) and go from there.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 11:19:19 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:19:19 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>

Hi Ken,

I tried this with a very simple app... only a keydown card script. The 
script puts the pressed key into a locked field on the card. Works as 
expected in LC. Tried it in the iphone simulator, with a regular USB 
keyboard connected to my Mac. No response to a key press. Even selected 
the "simulate hardware keyboard" option under the Hardware menu. No 
effect. Would this result possibly be different with a bluetooth keyboard?

Richard


> Richard, I'm sure that a bluetooth keyboard would act the same as the onscreen keyboard would; that is, it *should* send the keyDown, keyUp, rawKeyDown, and rawKeyUp messages to the current card; you can then trap for this in the card script (or stack script, etc.) and go from there.
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	
>
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 11:58:13 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:58:13 -0400
Subject: [OT] inter-Face
In-Reply-To: <7B2911ED-DDD3-4F19-A42B-1AD86E85D07B@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4F7833DC.5070108@gmail.com> <000c01cd1003$6a015170$3e03f450$@com>
	<7B2911ED-DDD3-4F19-A42B-1AD86E85D07B@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <766DF247-C029-40C4-A1B9-68ECE6D30BCC@gmail.com>

On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Am 01.04.2012 um 14:31 schrieb Gene Lambert:
> 
>> Wow! I want one, or two.  The lawyers are going to love this.  If talking on
>> a cell phone while driving was an intense national issue, just wait until
>> they get wind of people wanting to drive around with a computer heads up
>> display in their field of vision!  Or, how about when your wife figures out
>> you're web surfing while she's rattling on about next Sunday's chores list.
>> Whoo-hoo, this product is going to remodel society as we know it!
>> 
>> Glene
>> 
>> Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin and Co. better give up any ideas of sorting out all those bugs that
>>> have been festering for years and get weaving before they are overtaken by
>>> this:
>>> 
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear
> 
> I might consider getting one, but only after they managed to shrink the battery a bit!
> Seems a bit "chunky" right now :-D


Yeah, that long cord to a car battery is a clue, I think. It's April Fools Day.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 11:59:17 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:59:17 -0400
Subject: P
In-Reply-To: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <B55137FD-0BC8-42D0-9F29-4CEA176A8769@gmail.com>

On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:20 AM, mark.rauterkus at gmail.com wrote:

> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry?

Q?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Apr  1 12:03:12 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:03:12 +0200
Subject: [OT] inter-Face
In-Reply-To: <766DF247-C029-40C4-A1B9-68ECE6D30BCC@gmail.com>
References: <4F7833DC.5070108@gmail.com> <000c01cd1003$6a015170$3e03f450$@com>
	<7B2911ED-DDD3-4F19-A42B-1AD86E85D07B@major.on-rev.com>
	<766DF247-C029-40C4-A1B9-68ECE6D30BCC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16B138BE-9392-4973-9EE5-F15ADE28A293@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Peter,

Am 01.04.2012 um 17:58 schrieb Peter M. Brigham, MD:

> On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Am 01.04.2012 um 14:31 schrieb Gene Lambert:
>> 
>>> Wow! I want one, or two.  The lawyers are going to love this.  If talking on
>>> a cell phone while driving was an intense national issue, just wait until
>>> they get wind of people wanting to drive around with a computer heads up
>>> display in their field of vision!  Or, how about when your wife figures out
>>> you're web surfing while she's rattling on about next Sunday's chores list.
>>> Whoo-hoo, this product is going to remodel society as we know it!
>>> 
>>> Glene
>>> 
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Kevin and Co. better give up any ideas of sorting out all those bugs that
>>>> have been festering for years and get weaving before they are overtaken by
>>>> this:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear
>> 
>> I might consider getting one, but only after they managed to shrink the battery a bit!
>> Seems a bit "chunky" right now :-D
> 
> Yeah, that long cord to a car battery is a clue, I think. It's April Fools Day.

Go figure! :-D

> -- Peter

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Apr  1 12:14:48 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:14:48 -0500
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
Message-ID: <941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Richard Miller wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> 
> I tried this with a very simple app... only a keydown card script. The script puts the pressed key into a locked field on the card. Works as expected in LC. Tried it in the iphone simulator, with a regular USB keyboard connected to my Mac. No response to a key press. Even selected the "simulate hardware keyboard" option under the Hardware menu. No effect. Would this result possibly be different with a bluetooth keyboard?

Possibly. Are you able to test on an actual iOS device? I'm just wondering if it's something to do with the simulator itself...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 12:25:04 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:25:04 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F788160.9080305@together.net>

I don't have a bluetooth keyboard. If anyone here does and can test 
this, that would be great.


On 4/1/2012 12:14 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> I tried this with a very simple app... only a keydown card script. The script puts the pressed key into a locked field on the card. Works as expected in LC. Tried it in the iphone simulator, with a regular USB keyboard connected to my Mac. No response to a key press. Even selected the "simulate hardware keyboard" option under the Hardware menu. No effect. Would this result possibly be different with a bluetooth keyboard?
> Possibly. Are you able to test on an actual iOS device? I'm just wondering if it's something to do with the simulator itself...
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  1 13:04:07 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:04:07 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F788160.9080305@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F788160.9080305@together.net>
Message-ID: <E7207C34-0B94-4208-A049-E4D1B8E52465@verizon.net>

I just did a test. A keydown handler that puts the pressed key after a lock field does not work on my iPad, but, if the field is unlocked and I touch into it, I can then type away ok.

However, if I have the keydown handler put the character after a second field, and also do a pass keydown, I can type in the first field and the letters appear at the end of both fields. If I type in the second field, I get the expected two copies of the letter.


On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> >I don't have a bluetooth keyboard. If anyone here does and can test this, that would be great.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 13:11:05 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:11:05 +0300
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F788160.9080305@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F788160.9080305@together.net>
Message-ID: <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>

On 04/01/2012 07:25 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
> I don't have a bluetooth keyboard. If anyone here does and can test 
> this, that would be great.

Why does it have to be a bluetooth keyboard? Doesn't your target device 
allow physical connexion of USB peripherals?

This might be worth a glisk:

http://www.iomnio.com/product_wowkeys.html

>
>
> On 4/1/2012 12:14 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>> I tried this with a very simple app... only a keydown card script. 
>>> The script puts the pressed key into a locked field on the card. 
>>> Works as expected in LC. Tried it in the iphone simulator, with a 
>>> regular USB keyboard connected to my Mac. No response to a key 
>>> press. Even selected the "simulate hardware keyboard" option under 
>>> the Hardware menu. No effect. Would this result possibly be 
>>> different with a bluetooth keyboard?
>> Possibly. Are you able to test on an actual iOS device? I'm just 
>> wondering if it's something to do with the simulator itself...
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 13:13:58 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:13:58 +0300
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
References: <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F788CD6.8030703@gmail.com>

http://www.iomnio.com/product_wowkeys.html

available on Amazon for $50:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=wowkeys



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 13:36:41 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:36:41 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F788160.9080305@together.net> <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F789229.6040906@together.net>

Thanks, but I'm not sure this keyboard sends any data to the iphone 
which LC can intercept. And, for my app, the keyboard needs to be 
physically separated in distance from the iphone by at least 5 feet.



On 4/1/2012 1:11 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 04/01/2012 07:25 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
>> I don't have a bluetooth keyboard. If anyone here does and can test 
>> this, that would be great.
>
> Why does it have to be a bluetooth keyboard? Doesn't your target 
> device allow physical connexion of USB peripherals?
>
> This might be worth a glisk:
>
> http://www.iomnio.com/product_wowkeys.html
>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/2012 12:14 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> I tried this with a very simple app... only a keydown card script. 
>>>> The script puts the pressed key into a locked field on the card. 
>>>> Works as expected in LC. Tried it in the iphone simulator, with a 
>>>> regular USB keyboard connected to my Mac. No response to a key 
>>>> press. Even selected the "simulate hardware keyboard" option under 
>>>> the Hardware menu. No effect. Would this result possibly be 
>>>> different with a bluetooth keyboard?
>>> Possibly. Are you able to test on an actual iOS device? I'm just 
>>> wondering if it's something to do with the simulator itself...
>>>
>>> Ken Ray
>>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 14:06:27 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:06:27 +0300
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F789229.6040906@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F788160.9080305@together.net> <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
	<4F789229.6040906@together.net>
Message-ID: <4F789923.9030301@gmail.com>

On 04/01/2012 08:36 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
> Thanks, but I'm not sure this keyboard sends any data to the iphone 
> which LC can intercept. And, for my app, the keyboard needs to be 
> physically separated in distance from the iphone by at least 5 feet.
>
>
>

Have you tried LIvecode on a PC with a bluetooth keyboard?



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Apr  1 14:07:16 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:07:16 -0700
Subject: Disabling a tab
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kWxpRB+4i8sBen5jF=S57GzQB5O2DotGo7jG5w87AfwA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each tab
by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown when
a tab is clicked.

Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
that clicking ion it has no effect.  Right now, I'm doing this in a
selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the use
clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.

That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
available.  Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed out,
kinda like a disabled menu item.  Any ideas how to do that?


-- 
Pete
Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com>


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Apr  1 14:08:17 2012
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:08:17 -0700
Subject: P
In-Reply-To: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <B73F67B8265840519737502A0B30F21C@GATEWAY>

> mark.rauterkus at gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:21 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: P

You don't need to ask permission Mark, please just go :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Apr  1 14:08:46 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:08:46 -0700
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com>
References: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> That would be super for us Linux users.

Or at least offer price parity.

Right now RunRev sells the Mac version bundled with the Windows version
for the same price as the Linux version by itself.

This disparity is compounded by those versions having many more features
than the Linux version.

So the Linux version costs twice as much for half the features, making
it roughly four times more expensive.

Not an easy sales proposition for even my closest Linux-loving friends.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 14:15:59 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:15:59 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F789923.9030301@gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F788160.9080305@together.net> <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
	<4F789229.6040906@together.net> <4F789923.9030301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F789B5F.3080309@together.net>

Well, I know that works fine, but I need to make it work with an iphone.


On 4/1/2012 2:06 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 04/01/2012 08:36 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
>> Thanks, but I'm not sure this keyboard sends any data to the iphone 
>> which LC can intercept. And, for my app, the keyboard needs to be 
>> physically separated in distance from the iphone by at least 5 feet.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Have you tried LIvecode on a PC with a bluetooth keyboard?
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  1 14:31:41 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:31:41 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
Message-ID: <3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>

I went back to see what your original need was, and with my tests I was able to do this. I could open the app and immediately be typing keys, that a keydown handler could intercept. It worked because LiveCode automatically selects the first field for input.


On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Richard Miller wrote:

> >Is there some way, then, for a press of a key on the bluetooth keyboard to be recognized by the app, without requiring the user to touch the screen and open a field?



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 14:50:13 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:50:13 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F78A365.6070604@together.net>

Was this on an iphone or the simulator?


On 4/1/2012 2:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> I went back to see what your original need was, and with my tests I was able to do this. I could open the app and immediately be typing keys, that a keydown handler could intercept. It worked because LiveCode automatically selects the first field for input.
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>>> Is there some way, then, for a press of a key on the bluetooth keyboard to be recognized by the app, without requiring the user to touch the screen and open a field?
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Sun Apr  1 14:50:26 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Adding row of numeric keys above default iOS keyboard
Message-ID: <1333306226379-4524105.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi, any suggestions for how to add a row of numeric keys above the default
keyboard in iOS? Ideally it would be nice to get a screen shot of the top
row of the numeric keyboard and display that that with some hidden buttons
for each of the numeric keys, but I am not sure how to go about getting a
screen shot of the iPad screen. The application is locked in portrait mode
so that should help simplify things. 

Thanks

-- Mark

--
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 14:50:54 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:50:54 +0300
Subject: Peripheral support
Message-ID: <4F78A38E.7080307@gmail.com>

In the light of the chap having a problem with a Bluetooth keyboard and 
an iPhone
there is a need for Runtime Revolution to state what peripherals are 
supported by
Livecode on which devices and with which operating systems.

What is unclear (to me at least) is: whether peripherals that are 
recognised by operating systems are
always recognised by Livecode.

What I have just been doing, by way of entertainment, is seeing what 
sort of keyDowns I get from
a Nostromo Speedpad 52n and a Nostromo Speed 50n padconnected to my 
Linux box.

I have a stack containing 2 fields "fROAR" and "fCOOKED" respectively,

and the cardScript looks like this:

on rawKeyDown RAWK
    put RAWK into fld "fROAR"
end rawKeyDown

on keyUp QUAY
    put QUAY into fld "fCOOKED"
end keyUp

[ you can download it here: 
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/BOX/KEYER.zip ]

and found that while the 52n sends keyDowns (with no preinstalled software),
the 50n doesn't and is useless.

However, as I don't own many up-to-date computers, handhelds, pads, and 
all sorts
of other peripherals, I am not likely to sit down and mess around with 
every imaginable
combination of these things.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr  1 14:59:59 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:59:59 -0500
Subject: New google feature for business
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F78A5AF.8080604@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/1/12 8:29 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Google has a new feature.. Google teleport!
> http://www.google.com/adwords/extensions/teleport.html

There is no way I will participate in this invasion of privacy. Can you 
imagine your customers teleporting into your home office and finding you 
with your hair awry and in your bunny slippers? I'll be surprised if the 
FCC doesn't get involved. This is an outrage.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr  1 15:03:47 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:03:47 -0500
Subject: Button oddities -- LC 5.5 related? (Not a serious problem)
In-Reply-To: <5C5EE01C-9C36-4AD4-AF40-10CC512ACC94@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <F16D59CD-62E0-4F1D-8137-6743E74B8BA2@DOCTORTIMOTHYMILLER.COM>
	<4F778BAF.6090105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5C5EE01C-9C36-4AD4-AF40-10CC512ACC94@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <4F78A693.3060609@hyperactivesw.com>

On 3/31/12 9:21 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> What do I do with the little images I imported? Set the visible to
> false, hide them under a field, or can I delete them now, because
> they are used in a button?

You can't delete them; they are the source of your icons. Just set them 
to be invisible.

>
> Should this be standard procedure? I never thought about importing
> images for icons. Normally, when I make a new button and want an
> icon, I just use the icons&  borders popup.

In general if the stack is only for your own use, you don't need to 
import. But in this case the icon IDs apparently changed so it's safer 
to import. Once imported, the IDs won't change (unless you do it 
specifically on purpose.)

> Maybe I should read the "what's new" document. I don't recall seeing
> one, but I didn't look for it very hard.

All the release notes are under the Help menu. They are the first thing 
I read.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 15:10:38 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:10:38 -0600
Subject: New google feature for business
In-Reply-To: <4F78A5AF.8080604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F78A5AF.8080604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp358U06Gn07XXAY+PrqhL33MR_L=f0szT4a_A5KddA2w@mail.gmail.com>

Not to mention its in beta. While google betas are usually pretty good,
even a small margin of error would be a really bad thing.  I'd hate for
half a customer to show up on my doorstep. You can be sure it would be bad
for business!

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:59 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 4/1/12 8:29 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>> Google has a new feature.. Google teleport!
>> http://www.google.com/adwords/**extensions/teleport.html<http://www.google.com/adwords/extensions/teleport.html>
>>
>
> There is no way I will participate in this invasion of privacy. Can you
> imagine your customers teleporting into your home office and finding you
> with your hair awry and in your bunny slippers? I'll be surprised if the
> FCC doesn't get involved. This is an outrage.
>
> --
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr  1 15:15:50 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:15:50 +0100
Subject: New google feature for business
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp358U06Gn07XXAY+PrqhL33MR_L=f0szT4a_A5KddA2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4F78A5AF.8080604@hyperactivesw.com>,
	<CAG1cpSp358U06Gn07XXAY+PrqhL33MR_L=f0szT4a_A5KddA2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W23C8C90E6FA600FE01A0C5ED4F0@phx.gbl>


Nice one...:-)

> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:10:38 -0600
> Subject: Re: New google feature for business
> From: bonnmike at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> 
> Not to mention its in beta. While google betas are usually pretty good,
> even a small margin of error would be a really bad thing.  I'd hate for
> half a customer to show up on my doorstep. You can be sure it would be bad
> for business!

> > There is no way I will participate in this invasion of privacy. Can you
> > imagine your customers teleporting into your home office and finding you
> > with your hair awry and in your bunny slippers? I'll be surprised if the
> > FCC doesn't get involved. This is an outrage.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

 		 	   		  

From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  1 15:26:51 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:26:51 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F78A365.6070604@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>
	<4F78A365.6070604@together.net>
Message-ID: <5BFB8BE0-E0C3-4B23-8438-D26E9AAD4726@verizon.net>

New iPad, with my bluetooth keyboard paired to it.


On Apr 1, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> >Was this on an iphone or the simulator?



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  1 15:31:49 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:31:49 -0400
Subject: Peripheral support
In-Reply-To: <4F78A38E.7080307@gmail.com>
References: <4F78A38E.7080307@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05B5A038-C848-4314-8749-7F04C524CA6B@verizon.net>

But the bluetooth keyboard works fine. I had tried with my iPad, and I tried now with my 3GS. It works too. I think his only problem was that he didn't have a bluetooth keyboard to test with.


On Apr 1, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Richmond wrote:

> >In the light of the chap having a problem with a Bluetooth keyboard and an iPhone



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 15:36:35 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:36:35 +0300
Subject: Peripheral support
In-Reply-To: <05B5A038-C848-4314-8749-7F04C524CA6B@verizon.net>
References: <4F78A38E.7080307@gmail.com>
	<05B5A038-C848-4314-8749-7F04C524CA6B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F78AE43.2060405@gmail.com>

On 04/01/2012 10:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> But the bluetooth keyboard works fine. I had tried with my iPad, and I tried now with my 3GS. It works too. I think his only problem was that he didn't have a bluetooth keyboard to test with.

Aha!

However, that does not obviate my comment about RunRev needing some sort 
of database of peripherals and what works with what.

>
>
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>>> In the light of the chap having a problem with a Bluetooth keyboard and an iPhone
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun Apr  1 15:43:57 2012
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:43:57 -0700
Subject: Disabling a tab
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9kWxpRB+4i8sBen5jF=S57GzQB5O2DotGo7jG5w87AfwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9kWxpRB+4i8sBen5jF=S57GzQB5O2DotGo7jG5w87AfwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F78AFFD.8060302@comcast.net>

Hey Pete,
Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.

Marty Knapp
> I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each tab
> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown when
> a tab is clicked.
>
> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
> that clicking ion it has no effect.  Right now, I'm doing this in a
> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the use
> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>
> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
> available.  Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed out,
> kinda like a disabled menu item.  Any ideas how to do that?
>
>




From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 16:05:57 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:05:57 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <5BFB8BE0-E0C3-4B23-8438-D26E9AAD4726@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>
	<4F78A365.6070604@together.net>
	<5BFB8BE0-E0C3-4B23-8438-D26E9AAD4726@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F78B525.8040207@together.net>

So Colin, you have en open text field to start. The app starts and the 
keydown message catches any keypresses, even though the onscreen 
keyboard is not showing. Is that about right so far?


On 4/1/2012 3:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> New iPad, with my bluetooth keyboard paired to it.
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>>> Was this on an iphone or the simulator?
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sun Apr  1 16:33:57 2012
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:33:57 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F789229.6040906@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<8C7014C9-AD38-457A-B0C7-8654B608527B@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F7871F7.3060505@together.net>
	<941CBEE1-81CD-4D47-B853-E94275175D76@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F788160.9080305@together.net> <4F788C29.3060609@gmail.com>
	<4F789229.6040906@together.net>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMnZGgVVid2nfZ-9wLxOsAuQnU6oVx3Bqs5fNhH_nqEzw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> Thanks, but I'm not sure this keyboard sends any data to the iphone which
> LC can intercept. And, for my app, the keyboard needs to be physically
> separated in distance from the iphone by at least 5 feet.


I have this bluetooth keyboard.  It's cheap, but works great!  I've used it
with an iPad, Android tablet, Win7 and Lion.  AA batteries seem to be
long-lasting.  I got it around Christmas, and haven't needed to change the
batteries yet.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-thin-bluetooth-v2-0-78-key-keyboard-2-x-aaa-113611

If you are in the US, it also ships from a US warehouse, and you get free
shipping.  Not bad for $22.

~Roger


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Apr  1 16:45:05 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:45:05 -0700
Subject: Disabling a tab
In-Reply-To: <4F78AFFD.8060302@comcast.net>
References: <CABx6j9kWxpRB+4i8sBen5jF=S57GzQB5O2DotGo7jG5w87AfwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F78AFFD.8060302@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kA4EGsng5zsTmZv3xNPa5gXLPG2mYKAy8esSzWKWZFyw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me!
Pete

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hey Pete,
> Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.
>
> Marty Knapp
>
>  I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each
>> tab
>> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown
>> when
>> a tab is clicked.
>>
>> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
>> that clicking ion it has no effect.  Right now, I'm doing this in a
>> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the use
>> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>>
>> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
>> available.  Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed
>> out,
>> kinda like a disabled menu item.  Any ideas how to do that?
>>
>>
>>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  1 17:16:41 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:16:41 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <4F78B525.8040207@together.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>
	<4F78A365.6070604@together.net>
	<5BFB8BE0-E0C3-4B23-8438-D26E9AAD4726@verizon.net>
	<4F78B525.8040207@together.net>
Message-ID: <C731B58D-7539-4C11-9486-6AAA846DFB06@verizon.net>

Yes, I have the keydown handler in the card script, and that puts the key into a second field, and does a pass keydown. The letters appear in both fields from the start, without me having to touch the screen, and without the software keyboard appearing.


On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> So Colin, you have en open text field to start. The app starts and the keydown message catches any keypresses, even though the onscreen keyboard is not showing. Is that about right so far?



From wow at together.net  Sun Apr  1 17:54:57 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:54:57 -0400
Subject: ios app... any ideas how to do this?
In-Reply-To: <C731B58D-7539-4C11-9486-6AAA846DFB06@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSoXyCVKASjsisQgbLCDvDX-b-XLmkv=eihdbJZ3moREYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F785D55.2040308@together.net>
	<3AE6C916-7564-42D5-9F77-4953625AE4B9@verizon.net>
	<4F78A365.6070604@together.net>
	<5BFB8BE0-E0C3-4B23-8438-D26E9AAD4726@verizon.net>
	<4F78B525.8040207@together.net>
	<C731B58D-7539-4C11-9486-6AAA846DFB06@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F78CEB1.1070103@together.net>

Yes, Colin. That works on my end as well, in the simulator. Quite cool. 
I'm going to keep working with this idea and see what kinds of issues I 
might run into.
Thanks!
Richard



On 4/1/2012 5:16 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> Yes, I have the keydown handler in the card script, and that puts the key into a second field, and does a pass keydown. The letters appear in both fields from the start, without me having to touch the screen, and without the software keyboard appearing.
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> So Colin, you have en open text field to start. The app starts and the keydown message catches any keypresses, even though the onscreen keyboard is not showing. Is that about right so far?
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Apr  1 18:16:57 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:16:57 -0700
Subject: Disabling a tab
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9kA4EGsng5zsTmZv3xNPa5gXLPG2mYKAy8esSzWKWZFyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9kWxpRB+4i8sBen5jF=S57GzQB5O2DotGo7jG5w87AfwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F78AFFD.8060302@comcast.net>
	<CABx6j9kA4EGsng5zsTmZv3xNPa5gXLPG2mYKAy8esSzWKWZFyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F78D3D9.2080403@pdslabs.net>

Hi Pete,

As usual in Livecode, there are multiple ways to disable a tab. If you want to 
manipulate the button text directly, you can put "(" before the line of button 
text for the tab you want to disable. Or to enable all tabs, replace "(" with 
empty in text of btn 1.

Best -
Phil


On 4/1/12 1:45 PM, Pete wrote:
> Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me!
> Pete
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>  wrote:
>
>> Hey Pete,
>> Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.
>>
>> Marty Knapp
>>
>>   I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each
>>> tab
>>> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown
>>> when
>>> a tab is clicked.
>>>
>>> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
>>> that clicking ion it has no effect.  Right now, I'm doing this in a
>>> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the use
>>> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>>>
>>> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
>>> available.  Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed
>>> out,
>>> kinda like a disabled menu item.  Any ideas how to do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>

-- 
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Apr  1 18:35:47 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:35:47 +0200
Subject: Fixed width table in LC5.5?
Message-ID: <999B92A9-8EE3-40E8-A5CF-114AF6204ADD@mac.com>

Using LC 5.5 on MacOSX Lion 10.7.3, I am trying very minimally to follow the example in the 5.5 Release Notes, where it says:

> vGrid fixed width table mode (5.5 DP1)
> When vGrid is in effect, if the final tabStop has 0 width the engine treats the paragraph as a fixed
> 
> width table, the width being the position of the final tabstop.
> 
> In this mode, the width of the paragraph is considered to be the (fixed) width and this width is used to do the following:
> 
> 	? compute the placement of the table in the line taking into account the textAlign property
> 
> 	? compute the background rectangle to fill with the backColor property
> 
> 	? compute the placement of the border (if any)
> 
> In this mode, rather than borders and background fill going from left margin to right margin, they will instead go from left of the table to right of the table.
> 
> For example, suppose you want a table-like layout with only 5 columns of 50 wide. You can use the following tabStops:
> 
> 50,50,50,50,50,0
> 
> This will result in a table of width 250 pixels.
> 

Well, when I create a mainstack and put a table onto the first (only) card, check that its vGrid is true and do

set the tabStops of fld "myTable" to 50,50,50,50,50,0

The property inspector for the table shows the tab stops to be at 50,100,150,200,250,250, which seems to show that I am actually setting the tabWidths by this statement - seems weird to me. However, the real issue is that I get a table where not all the columns are the same width (the first one is about 2mm wider than the next two, but I suppose this may be the effect of the border), and where the right hand edge can be infinitely extended by dragging, making the fourth column variable rather than fixed.

I also found the IDE freezes frequently during these tests. When I force quit, the 'do you want to Save' dialog appears briefly, but can't be actioned, showing perhaps that the IDE was doing something; but it won't react to mouse clicks. I find that if I reopen my stack and try to switch to the browse tool (I thought of typing something into my table) then the freeze occurs. I have also had a freeze after trying to set the tabWidths and then opening an inspector for the table.

I am not trying to use the full power of the new field object, but merely to make a grid which looks like a spreadsheet table. I liked the idea of a table with a fixed number of columns and rows, and also one where some columns couldn't be written to by the user. Looks like I'm barking up the wrong tree. I have never tackled Datagrids, but this may be the moment.

Anyone else having trouble with this?

Graham

Incidentally, the property 'Cell Formatting" in a table field inspector is not explained in the LC documentation. Does anyone know what it does?




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Apr  1 20:32:17 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:32:17 -0700
Subject: Disabling a tab
In-Reply-To: <4F78D3D9.2080403@pdslabs.net>
References: <CABx6j9kWxpRB+4i8sBen5jF=S57GzQB5O2DotGo7jG5w87AfwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F78AFFD.8060302@comcast.net>
	<CABx6j9kA4EGsng5zsTmZv3xNPa5gXLPG2mYKAy8esSzWKWZFyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F78D3D9.2080403@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9=KH7QrbjTaL0MKQs77-BrSjY-VxODjLxZbdKz7qLprng@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Phil.  I think the "(" is the standard char to disable menu items,
so that makes sense.  I did notice the "(" character in front of the lines
that I disabled.
Pete

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> As usual in Livecode, there are multiple ways to disable a tab. If you
> want to manipulate the button text directly, you can put "(" before the
> line of button text for the tab you want to disable. Or to enable all tabs,
> replace "(" with empty in text of btn 1.
>
> Best -
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 4/1/12 1:45 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me!
>> Pete
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hey Pete,
>>> Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.
>>>
>>> Marty Knapp
>>>
>>>  I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each
>>>
>>>> tab
>>>> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown
>>>> when
>>>> a tab is clicked.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
>>>> that clicking ion it has no effect.  Right now, I'm doing this in a
>>>> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the
>>>> use
>>>> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>>>>
>>>> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
>>>> available.  Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed
>>>> out,
>>>> kinda like a disabled menu item.  Any ideas how to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>>
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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>
>
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Sun Apr  1 22:09:06 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
Message-ID: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>

I know I shouldn't have upgraded to iOS 5.1 on the iPad. Here's what I have
done:

1. updated iPad to iOS 5.1 (first mistake)
2. this required update to xCode 4.3.2 (done)
3. this required update to Lion (OSX 10.7.3) (check)

Livecode is now complaining that in order to build for iOS it needs to use
the 5.0 SDK. Under preferences it says the root of iOS SDK 5.0 is /Developer
and I have not changed this during any of this process. So, if it worked
before I did all of this why isn't it working now?

Does anyone have any suggestions of what to try next?

(I'm wondering if the cause of this was that step where the xCode installer
asked me if it could remove xCode 4.2, and I said yes?? This is probably it,
because I'll bet the new xCode is installing into a different location. Does
anyone know the correct path for the prefs in LC??)

Thanks

-- M



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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Sun Apr  1 22:28:10 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>

Further observations:

Where once my Library folder used to be (ie. /Mark/Library) there is now
just an empty space. I checked my time machine backup and inside Library is
Developer. And inside Developer is Xcode. Or should I say, was Xcode. Is
this a case of Lion thinking its safer for me not to muck about in the
Library folder so it has made it invisible? Is any of this relevant to
finding the iOS 5.0 SDK?

Just thought I should mention it.


-- Mark

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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Apr  1 23:09:41 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:09:41 -0400
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C72000C3-56BB-4403-AD16-C43D9A7CD8A0@mac.com>

Mark,

The new path is actually to the xCode.app in the applications folder and once pointed to the app itself LC will then traverse the package contents to the internal 5.1 SDK and not the 5.0 SDK. You don't really need the /Developer anymore since LC can now build the 5.1 in the xCode.app app.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> I know I shouldn't have upgraded to iOS 5.1 on the iPad. Here's what I have
> done:
> 
> 1. updated iPad to iOS 5.1 (first mistake)
> 2. this required update to xCode 4.3.2 (done)
> 3. this required update to Lion (OSX 10.7.3) (check)
> 
> Livecode is now complaining that in order to build for iOS it needs to use
> the 5.0 SDK. Under preferences it says the root of iOS SDK 5.0 is /Developer
> and I have not changed this during any of this process. So, if it worked
> before I did all of this why isn't it working now?
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what to try next?
> 
> (I'm wondering if the cause of this was that step where the xCode installer
> asked me if it could remove xCode 4.2, and I said yes?? This is probably it,
> because I'll bet the new xCode is installing into a different location. Does
> anyone know the correct path for the prefs in LC??)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- M
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr  1 23:16:17 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:16:17 -0500
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/1/12 9:28 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> Further observations:
>
> Where once my Library folder used to be (ie. /Mark/Library) there is now
> just an empty space. I checked my time machine backup and inside Library is
> Developer. And inside Developer is Xcode. Or should I say, was Xcode. Is
> this a case of Lion thinking its safer for me not to muck about in the
> Library folder so it has made it invisible? Is any of this relevant to
> finding the iOS 5.0 SDK?

Lion hides the Library folders, heaven knows why. You can get to them in 
several ways; the easiest is to hold down the Option key while clicking 
the Go menu in the Finder. The folders are still there, they're just 
invisible.

You need to change the LiveCode mobile pref to point to the XCode app in 
the Applications folder, instead of the old Developer folder.

I have purchased and downloaded Lion and have been sitting here all 
weekend trying to make myself install it. I know I have to. Still don't 
want to.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From barrysum at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  2 00:01:47 2012
From: barrysum at bigpond.net.au (Barry G. Sumpter)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:01:47 +1000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 103, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2611.1333336184.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.2611.1333336184.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000301cd1085$532d39a0$f987ace0$@bigpond.net.au>

This was happening to me on a simple table.

I had to copy the tab setting to the clip board.
Close the stack.
Open the stack.
Paste into the tab settings (column widths)
No matter how many time I changed the tab setting by hand afterwards
It would was adjust.

Kind of a paid but only needed to work for 5 mins.

hth


------------------------------

Message: 28
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:35:47 +0200
From: Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Fixed width table in LC5.5?
Message-ID: <999B92A9-8EE3-40E8-A5CF-114AF6204ADD at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Using LC 5.5 on MacOSX Lion 10.7.3, I am trying very minimally to follow the
example in the 5.5 Release Notes, where it says:

> vGrid fixed width table mode (5.5 DP1)
> When vGrid is in effect, if the final tabStop has 0 width the engine
treats the paragraph as a fixed
> 
> width table, the width being the position of the final tabstop.
> 
> In this mode, the width of the paragraph is considered to be the (fixed)
width and this width is used to do the following:
> 
> 	? compute the placement of the table in the line taking into account
the textAlign property
> 
> 	? compute the background rectangle to fill with the backColor
property
> 
> 	? compute the placement of the border (if any)
> 
> In this mode, rather than borders and background fill going from left
margin to right margin, they will instead go from left of the table to right
of the table.
> 
> For example, suppose you want a table-like layout with only 5 columns of
50 wide. You can use the following tabStops:
> 
> 50,50,50,50,50,0
> 
> This will result in a table of width 250 pixels.
> 

Well, when I create a mainstack and put a table onto the first (only) card,
check that its vGrid is true and do

set the tabStops of fld "myTable" to 50,50,50,50,50,0

The property inspector for the table shows the tab stops to be at
50,100,150,200,250,250, which seems to show that I am actually setting the
tabWidths by this statement - seems weird to me. However, the real issue is
that I get a table where not all the columns are the same width (the first
one is about 2mm wider than the next two, but I suppose this may be the
effect of the border), and where the right hand edge can be infinitely
extended by dragging, making the fourth column variable rather than fixed.

I also found the IDE freezes frequently during these tests. When I force
quit, the 'do you want to Save' dialog appears briefly, but can't be
actioned, showing perhaps that the IDE was doing something; but it won't
react to mouse clicks. I find that if I reopen my stack and try to switch to
the browse tool (I thought of typing something into my table) then the
freeze occurs. I have also had a freeze after trying to set the tabWidths
and then opening an inspector for the table.

I am not trying to use the full power of the new field object, but merely to
make a grid which looks like a spreadsheet table. I liked the idea of a
table with a fixed number of columns and rows, and also one where some
columns couldn't be written to by the user. Looks like I'm barking up the
wrong tree. I have never tackled Datagrids, but this may be the moment.

Anyone else having trouble with this?

Graham

Incidentally, the property 'Cell Formatting" in a table field inspector is
not explained in the LC documentation. Does anyone know what it does?







From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  2 03:23:11 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 00:23:11 -0700
Subject: P
In-Reply-To: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <122327419750.20120402002311@ahsoftware.net>

mark-

You spelled :-p wrong.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 03:28:16 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:28:16 +0300
Subject: P
In-Reply-To: <122327419750.20120402002311@ahsoftware.net>
References: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
	<122327419750.20120402002311@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F795510.9060509@gmail.com>

On 04/02/2012 10:23 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> mark-
>
> You spelled :-p wrong.
>

You slipped grammatically : wrongly  :)



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Apr  2 03:39:40 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:39:40 +0200
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2611.1333336184.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.2611.1333336184.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B3DFCBCD-0A29-452C-A27C-1E695B106267@mac.com>

Hi Mark - warning - I agree that you should be able to steam on to 5.1 from the point you've got to: however although this clearly worked for Tom, it didn't work for me. I did what you did, apart from not allowing XCode to remove 4.2 and when I point the mobile prefs of LC 5.5. to the XCode app (bundle) in my Applications folder, the pref mechanism accepts the path but then can't find the new simulator and comes up with some odd messages which I've written about elsewhere. As I have not deleted my Developer folder I can go back to 4.2, but I am dead in the water as regards 5.1 and its simulator. I tried all I could think of, including opening the XCode bundle and copying what I found there into a new Developer folder, but it didn't help. I have had a call out to RunRev support for some days now and I'm hoping for a solution very soon - when/if I get it, I will post it to the list.

I don't know what can be different between Tom's setup and mine.

Graham

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:09:41 -0400, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> The new path is actually to the xCode.app in the applications folder and once pointed to the app itself LC will then traverse the package contents to the internal 5.1 SDK and not the 5.0 SDK. You don't really need the /Developer anymore since LC can now build the 5.1 in the xCode.app app.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> 
>> I know I shouldn't have upgraded to iOS 5.1 on the iPad. Here's what I have
>> done:
>> 
>> 1. updated iPad to iOS 5.1 (first mistake)
>> 2. this required update to xCode 4.3.2 (done)
>> 3. this required update to Lion (OSX 10.7.3) (check)
>> 
>> Livecode is now complaining that in order to build for iOS it needs to use
>> the 5.0 SDK. Under preferences it says the root of iOS SDK 5.0 is /Developer
>> and I have not changed this during any of this process. So, if it worked
>> before I did all of this why isn't it working now?
>> 
>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what to try next?
>> 
>> (I'm wondering if the cause of this was that step where the xCode installer
>> asked me if it could remove xCode 4.2, and I said yes?? This is probably it,
>> because I'll bet the new xCode is installing into a different location. Does
>> anyone know the correct path for the prefs in LC??)
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- M
> 



From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Apr  2 04:14:46 2012
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:14:46 +0200
Subject: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
In-Reply-To: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>
References: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>
Message-ID: <000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>

Hello,

I didn't get any answer here and didn't find any satisfying answer with
googleing, so I think I just can ignore the signature.
If anybody still has an explanation for me, I would be happy, Thanks
Tiemo

> 
> up to now I have always ignored the standalone signature and kept the
> standard "????" - my programs run. But what is it for?
> 
> What do you actually have to put into the signature? Is it a free string I
> can choose, or do I have to get it from any registration process from
> Apple?
> 
> Any advantages / disadvantages using / not using it instead of the ????
> default?
> 
> Thanks for sharing your experiences with a windows guy
> 
> Tiemo
> 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 04:21:05 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:21:05 +0300
Subject: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
In-Reply-To: <000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>
References: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>
	<000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>
Message-ID: <4F796171.4090007@gmail.com>

On 04/02/2012 11:14 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I didn't get any answer here and didn't find any satisfying answer with
> googleing, so I think I just can ignore the signature.
> If anybody still has an explanation for me, I would be happy, Thanks
> Tiemo
>
>> up to now I have always ignored the standalone signature and kept the
>> standard "????" - my programs run. But what is it for?
>>
>> What do you actually have to put into the signature? Is it a free string I
>> can choose, or do I have to get it from any registration process from
>> Apple?
>>
>> Any advantages / disadvantages using / not using it instead of the ????
>> default?

Well, as far as Macintosh goes; a standalone built "just like that" 
(i.e. no post-build mods, signatures, mucking around with the
version number, etc.) works "just like that". I would suppose the only 
advantage of having a signature is if you want to link text files,
or somesuch, explicitly to it; i.e. so double-clicking on one of those 
documents would launch your standalone.

>>
>> Thanks for sharing your experiences with a windows guy
>>
>> Tiemo
>>
>




From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Apr  2 05:04:32 2012
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:04:32 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
In-Reply-To: <4F796171.4090007@gmail.com>
References: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>	<000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>
	<4F796171.4090007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cd10af$9eb1b520$dc151f60$@de>

Thanks Richmond for your expertise
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richmond
> Gesendet: Montag, 2. April 2012 10:21
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
> 
> On 04/02/2012 11:14 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I didn't get any answer here and didn't find any satisfying answer
> > with googleing, so I think I just can ignore the signature.
> > If anybody still has an explanation for me, I would be happy, Thanks
> > Tiemo
> >
> >> up to now I have always ignored the standalone signature and kept the
> >> standard "????" - my programs run. But what is it for?
> >>
> >> What do you actually have to put into the signature? Is it a free
> >> string I can choose, or do I have to get it from any registration
> >> process from Apple?
> >>
> >> Any advantages / disadvantages using / not using it instead of the ????
> >> default?
> 
> Well, as far as Macintosh goes; a standalone built "just like that"
> (i.e. no post-build mods, signatures, mucking around with the version
> number, etc.) works "just like that". I would suppose the only advantage
of
> having a signature is if you want to link text files, or somesuch,
> explicitly to it; i.e. so double-clicking on one of those documents would
> launch your standalone.
> 
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing your experiences with a windows guy
> >>
> >> Tiemo
> >>
> >
> 
> 
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From guglielmo at braguglia.ch  Mon Apr  2 05:40:17 2012
From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:40:17 +0200
Subject: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
In-Reply-To: <000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>
References: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>
	<000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>
Message-ID: <4F797401.1030003@braguglia.ch>

Hi Tiemo,
maybe this page help to understand the 'signature' codes : 
http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php :-)

Guglielmo


On 02.04.2012 10:14, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I didn't get any answer here and didn't find any satisfying answer with
> googleing, so I think I just can ignore the signature.
> If anybody still has an explanation for me, I would be happy, Thanks
> Tiemo
>
>> up to now I have always ignored the standalone signature and kept the
>> standard "????" - my programs run. But what is it for?
>>
>> What do you actually have to put into the signature? Is it a free string I
>> can choose, or do I have to get it from any registration process from
>> Apple?
>>
>> Any advantages / disadvantages using / not using it instead of the ????
>> default?
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your experiences with a windows guy
>>
>> Tiemo
>>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Apr  2 06:02:21 2012
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:02:21 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
In-Reply-To: <4F797401.1030003@braguglia.ch>
References: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>	<000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de>
	<4F797401.1030003@braguglia.ch>
Message-ID: <002101cd10b7$b2c336d0$1849a470$@de>

Hi Guglielmo,
thank you for the informative link
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Guglielmo Braguglia
> Gesendet: Montag, 2. April 2012 11:40
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> maybe this page help to understand the 'signature' codes :
> http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php :-)
> 
> Guglielmo
> 
> 
> On 02.04.2012 10:14, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I didn't get any answer here and didn't find any satisfying answer
> > with googleing, so I think I just can ignore the signature.
> > If anybody still has an explanation for me, I would be happy, Thanks
> > Tiemo
> >
> >> up to now I have always ignored the standalone signature and kept the
> >> standard "????" - my programs run. But what is it for?
> >>
> >> What do you actually have to put into the signature? Is it a free
> >> string I can choose, or do I have to get it from any registration
> >> process from Apple?
> >>
> >> Any advantages / disadvantages using / not using it instead of the ????
> >> default?
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing your experiences with a windows guy
> >>
> >> Tiemo
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Apr  2 06:13:36 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 12:13:36 +0200
Subject: getProp syntax query
Message-ID: <6B5812CD-38DF-4D33-9BE5-A0C315C39E9D@mac.com>

For the very first time in a pretty long career as a LiveCode coder, I'm trying to make sense of DataGrids, which I see were a heroic effort to extend LiveCode - with a very sophisticated implementation and literally hundreds of pages of documentation. AFAIK it was done by Trevor deVore - I am deeply impressed, even as I stumble.

I am trying to implement some spreadsheet-like behaviour and have fallen more or less at the first fence during the lesson on Page 94 "How do I get Aggregate Values for Columns?".

I can make the example work if I follow it exactly. It depends on a getProp handler the first line of which is:

 getprop uSumOfColumn [pColumn]

I would like to multiply two columns using this as a starting point, so I would like to refer to two columns in my getProp handler. However when I look up getProp in the LC documentation, I don't see that getProp can take any parameters at all, certainly not an array reference, so my attempt to extend this structure with a line like

getProp usMultipleOfColumns [pColumn1] [ pColumn2]

can't be compiled - putting a comma in between the parameters (if that's what they are) doesn't help. As you see I have no idea what I'm doing. My question is, how does the syntax of the original getProp handler work? How is the bit in square brackets allowed, and why isn't it featured in the LC documentation? If I did want to provide a getProp handler with the names of two different columns, how would I do it? I do realise there are much more pedestrian ways of achieving what I want, but it seems important to understand the mechanism shown in the DataGrid docs.

Ignorantly

Graham



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 07:15:16 2012
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0100
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com>
	<4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>

I gave up on LiveCode on Linux some years ago.

Last week I downloaded and installed one of the v5.x installers from
my LiveCode account, and installed it on Mint Linux.  As soon as I
started LiveCode, it hung.  Luckily, as it started, the LiveCode
window was smaller than the monitor - as even when I started the task
killer to kill it, the task killer could not get access to any portion
of the screen in which the LiveCode window was located.

If I'd been able to get LiveCode to work, I was prepared to pay for
Linux deployment.  As I couldn't, I saved myself some money (for about
the 3rd or 4th year running).

To my recollection, I've had trouble with LiveCode on Mint, OpenSuse
and CentOS - 3 of the top 7 distros on distrowatch.org.  I can't even
recollect if I ever got it to work satisfactorily on Debian or Ubuntu
- I'm sure I tried.  I think I might have it installed on an Ubuntu
laptop, so when I get back, I'll have a look (just to satisfy my own
belief that it was a cause worth giving up on).

The money I saved on paying for only the minimum that I need from
Runrev bought me a new Macbook Air (a device I love, so I'm not
complaining -- even though I hate the direction in which Apple is
going).

Bernard

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> So the Linux version costs twice as much for half the features, making
> it roughly four times more expensive.
>
> Not an easy sales proposition for even my closest Linux-loving friends.



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr  2 07:38:06 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:38:06 +0200
Subject: getProp syntax query
In-Reply-To: <6B5812CD-38DF-4D33-9BE5-A0C315C39E9D@mac.com>
References: <6B5812CD-38DF-4D33-9BE5-A0C315C39E9D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0B022287-049C-452E-A458-CD5BE6255946@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Graham,

The following (nonsense) example works:

getProp foo[bar]
   answer bar
   return "hello world"
end foo

setProp foo[bar] theData
   answer theData
   pass foo
end foo

You can use only one index, i.e. the setProp/getProp handlers are one-dimensional. An additional parameter contains the data that the property is being set to. Use the target to find out which control's property is being set. 

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On 2 apr 2012, at 12:13, Graham Samuel wrote:

> For the very first time in a pretty long career as a LiveCode coder, I'm trying to make sense of DataGrids, which I see were a heroic effort to extend LiveCode - with a very sophisticated implementation and literally hundreds of pages of documentation. AFAIK it was done by Trevor deVore - I am deeply impressed, even as I stumble.
> 
> I am trying to implement some spreadsheet-like behaviour and have fallen more or less at the first fence during the lesson on Page 94 "How do I get Aggregate Values for Columns?".
> 
> I can make the example work if I follow it exactly. It depends on a getProp handler the first line of which is:
> 
> getprop uSumOfColumn [pColumn]
> 
> I would like to multiply two columns using this as a starting point, so I would like to refer to two columns in my getProp handler. However when I look up getProp in the LC documentation, I don't see that getProp can take any parameters at all, certainly not an array reference, so my attempt to extend this structure with a line like
> 
> getProp usMultipleOfColumns [pColumn1] [ pColumn2]
> 
> can't be compiled - putting a comma in between the parameters (if that's what they are) doesn't help. As you see I have no idea what I'm doing. My question is, how does the syntax of the original getProp handler work? How is the bit in square brackets allowed, and why isn't it featured in the LC documentation? If I did want to provide a getProp handler with the names of two different columns, how would I do it? I do realise there are much more pedestrian ways of achieving what I want, but it seems important to understand the mechanism shown in the DataGrid docs.
> 
> Ignorantly
> 
> Graham




From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Mon Apr  2 09:09:59 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 06:09:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <C72000C3-56BB-4403-AD16-C43D9A7CD8A0@mac.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C72000C3-56BB-4403-AD16-C43D9A7CD8A0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1333372199307-4525961.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Tom, unfortunately I had no luck. The exact path to Xcode 4.3.2 is
Mark Smith's Macbook Pro/Macintosh HD/Applications. Selecting that path in
prefs gives me this error msg:

"The chosen folder is not a valid iOS SDK for 5.0 and later. It must be one
that ships with Xcode 4.2 or later."

I'll send it to Support and see what they say. I am starting to develop a
huge aversion to anything called an upgrade <sigh>

-- Mark

PS I should mention I am still using LC 5.0.2. That may be the problem at
this point.

PPS Jacque, the upgrade to Lion went smoother than I thought, and apart from
the above I've not run into any other problems. I can't say there is
anything in Lion I am looking for, but windows do seem to snap open faster.
Graham, if I get this sorted out I'll post the solution. 


Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The new path is actually to the xCode.app in the applications folder and
> once pointed to the app itself LC will then traverse the package contents
> to the internal 5.1 SDK and not the 5.0 SDK. You don't really need the
> /Developer anymore since LC can now build the 5.1 in the xCode.app app.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> 
> 


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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr  2 09:44:54 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:44:54 -0400
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOQ=GdqE3Da29YV_iTR5F+EKjFtTTwAsz+RnVaceQTWqA@mail.gmail.com>

You need to change the path.  Click on the "Location" elipsis for the 5.0
sdk.  Confirm that you are using the newer XCode.  Select XCode in your
Applications Folder.  It is an application bundle which contains the SDK.




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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Apr  2 09:47:49 2012
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 06:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
Message-ID: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>

I have a script that is a repeat loop that gets the results of a database
query which has a number of lines and puts it after a variable tSamplelist. 
I then use that variable tSampleList to display data on the webpage by
iterating through the lines in the variable.  

However for each iteration of the original repeat loop the first line of
data from the next query is appended to the last line of the tSamplelist and
not put on a new line.  I tried adding a return after each query but that
creates a new blank line.   Is there a character I can add after the query
that will end the line so the next query will be added on a new line?

Thanks.

Martin

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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Apr  2 10:09:18 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:09:18 +0200
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2611.1333336184.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.2611.1333336184.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7E04C5A3-8DC8-4F38-BCA1-89A3322068EE@mac.com>

Folks, I have now heard from Support at the mother ship (thanks Heather). My setup would have worked if I had chosen the Test Target from the Development menu in the IDE before trying to test. Somehow in my first (quite successful) experiments on iOS app development, either I didn't set this or I did it so early on that I forgot. So the drill is:

1. Point your mobile preference to the XCode app bundle (it just looks like an application file, but it's a sneaky folder) in the Applications folder.

2. Before you attempt a 'Test' on the simulator, set your Test Target (I now have the choice between the iPhone 5.1 and the iPad 5.1 simulators).

So the difference between Tom and me was that Tom knew what he was doing.

Graham

I wrote:
> Hi Mark - warning - I agree that you should be able to steam on to 5.1 from the point you've got to: however although this clearly worked for Tom, it didn't work for me. I did what you did, apart from not allowing XCode to remove 4.2 and when I point the mobile prefs of LC 5.5. to the XCode app (bundle) in my Applications folder, the pref mechanism accepts the path but then can't find the new simulator and comes up with some odd messages which I've written about elsewhere. As I have not deleted my Developer folder I can go back to 4.2, but I am dead in the water as regards 5.1 and its simulator. I tried all I could think of, including opening the XCode bundle and copying what I found there into a new Developer folder, but it didn't help. I have had a call out to RunRev support for some days now and I'm hoping for a solution very soon - when/if I get it, I will post it to the list.
> 
> I don't know what can be different between Tom's setup and mine.
> 
> Graham
> 
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:09:41 -0400, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The new path is actually to the xCode.app in the applications folder and once pointed to the app itself LC will then traverse the package contents to the internal 5.1 SDK and not the 5.0 SDK. You don't really need the /Developer anymore since LC can now build the 5.1 in the xCode.app app.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> I know I shouldn't have upgraded to iOS 5.1 on the iPad. Here's what I have
>>> done:
>>> 
>>> 1. updated iPad to iOS 5.1 (first mistake)
>>> 2. this required update to xCode 4.3.2 (done)
>>> 3. this required update to Lion (OSX 10.7.3) (check)
>>> 
>>> Livecode is now complaining that in order to build for iOS it needs to use
>>> the 5.0 SDK. Under preferences it says the root of iOS SDK 5.0 is /Developer
>>> and I have not changed this during any of this process. So, if it worked
>>> before I did all of this why isn't it working now?
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions of what to try next?
>>> 
>>> (I'm wondering if the cause of this was that step where the xCode installer
>>> asked me if it could remove xCode 4.2, and I said yes?? This is probably it,
>>> because I'll bet the new xCode is installing into a different location. Does
>>> anyone know the correct path for the prefs in LC??)
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> -- M
>> 
> 



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  2 10:12:08 2012
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Martin, 

Here's my guess as to what is happening. On the web page you need a "<br>" to start a new line. Perhaps the return that you appended to your data is not getting translated into a "<br>" before it is put onto the web page.

Mike


--- On Mon, 4/2/12, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

From: Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com>
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:47 AM

I have a script that is a repeat loop that gets the results of a database
query which has a number of lines and puts it after a variable tSamplelist. 
I then use that variable tSampleList to display data on the webpage by
iterating through the lines in the variable.? 

However for each iteration of the original repeat loop the first line of
data from the next query is appended to the last line of the tSamplelist and
not put on a new line.? I tried adding a return after each query but that
creates a new blank line.???Is there a character I can add after the query
that will end the line so the next query will be added on a new line?

Thanks.

Martin

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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Apr  2 10:40:17 2012
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Micheal.

Thanks for the suggestion.  However the problem was occurring before I added
the markup text to the data.

I have found a way to work around it.

I am using revDatafromQuery to do the query and I am using LF as the row
delimiter.

in the repeat loop
I put the data returned and an LF  after variable tSamplesList.
then I delete the last line of tSamplesList.

This way on each pass through the repeat loop the new data from the query is
added starting on a new line and there are not blank lines in the variable
tSamplesList.

I also have to put a condition to test if it is the last iteration of the
repeat loop.  If so then don't delete the last line otherwise you lose the
last record from the final query.

So it seems that revDatafromQuery does not put an LF on the last line
returned from a query.

Is there another way to add the correct character at the end of the query to
generate a new line in the variable?

Martin




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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Apr  2 10:49:39 2012
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:49:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>

Actually I typed too soon.

adding a LF or a return after tSamplesList variable then deleting the last
line actually deletes the last record from the query in the tSamplesList
variable.   

Back to square one.

Martin


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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Apr  2 11:10:16 2012
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1333379416091-4526295.post@n4.nabble.com>

So in the end I just added the LF after the query data from each query which
created extra lines in the variable but then when I used the data I just
checked if the line was empty and did not use that line.
This is just a work around.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to
add several queries after a variable ensuring that each record is on a
separate line?

Thanks.

Martin

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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Apr  2 11:22:44 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:22:44 +0200
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
Message-ID: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

in the last weeks some of my mails bounced back from different email addresses
due to the sending MTA's poor reputation?????
...........................................................................................................................................
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

 XXX at XXXX.com
   SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
   host smtp.secureserver.net [216.69.186.201]: 554-m1pismtp01-002.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net
   554 Your access to this mail system has been rejected due to the sending MTA's poor reputation. 
...
.........................................................................................................................................
My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).

So my hoster has a bad reputation? 
If yes, how come? What can I do?

Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  2 11:31:07 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:31:07 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>

Klaus-

Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote:

> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).

> So my hoster has a bad reputation? 
> If yes, how come? What can I do?

> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D

I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use
your local isp's smtp server instead.

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  2 11:32:16 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:32:16 -0700
Subject: P
In-Reply-To: <4F795510.9060509@gmail.com>
References: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
	<122327419750.20120402002311@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F795510.9060509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <169356765406.20120402083216@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:28:16 AM, you wrote:

> You slipped grammatically : wrongly  :)

ROTFLly

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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 11:34:49 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:34:49 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9m-+afPux4io0knXmX+o3_VXW08JDymADmoJaLeGMq-tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Try

if tvar is empty then
  put stuff into tvar
else
  put return & stuff after tvar
end ig
On Apr 2, 2012 8:13 AM, "Pete Haworth" <pete at haworths.org> wrote:

> Line delimiters are squirly! Try this pseudo code:
>
> if tvar is empty then
>   Put stuff into tvar
> else
>   put return & stuff after tvar
> end if
>
> If you can tell its the fitst time thru your loop, you can check for that
> instead of tvar empty.
>
> Pete
> On Apr 2, 2012 7:49 AM, "Martin Koob" <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually I typed too soon.
>>
>> adding a LF or a return after tSamplesList variable then deleting the last
>> line actually deletes the last record from the query in the tSamplesList
>> variable.
>>
>> Back to square one.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 11:34:49 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:34:49 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9m-+afPux4io0knXmX+o3_VXW08JDymADmoJaLeGMq-tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9m-+afPux4io0knXmX+o3_VXW08JDymADmoJaLeGMq-tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>

Try

if tvar is empty then
  put stuff into tvar
else
  put return & stuff after tvar
end ig
On Apr 2, 2012 8:13 AM, "Pete Haworth" <pete at haworths.org> wrote:

> Line delimiters are squirly! Try this pseudo code:
>
> if tvar is empty then
>   Put stuff into tvar
> else
>   put return & stuff after tvar
> end if
>
> If you can tell its the fitst time thru your loop, you can check for that
> instead of tvar empty.
>
> Pete
> On Apr 2, 2012 7:49 AM, "Martin Koob" <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually I typed too soon.
>>
>> adding a LF or a return after tSamplesList variable then deleting the last
>> line actually deletes the last record from the query in the tSamplesList
>> variable.
>>
>> Back to square one.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526238.html
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 12:30:47 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: getProp syntax query
In-Reply-To: <6B5812CD-38DF-4D33-9BE5-A0C315C39E9D@mac.com>
References: <6B5812CD-38DF-4D33-9BE5-A0C315C39E9D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9nnjGemaYLntRet2OTSrGWGRH-ASTc1-qLFqhGrO1MkEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Graham,
Mark expalined the syntax I think.

You probably already realise this, but using getProp isn't an integral part
of the datagrid, I think Trevor just used it as an example.

Since you're doing a spreadsheet, I assume you'd want to multiply any 2
columns together, not specific ones.  If that's the case, you could
consider putting a handler in the datagrid's group script that takes the
column names as parameters and returns the result.  Something like:

function multiplyColumns pcol1,pcol2
  put the dgHilitedLine of me into tLine
  try
    put GetDataOfLine(tLine,pcol1) * GetDataOfLine(tline,pcol2) into tresult
  catch terr
    return terr
  end try
  return tresult
end multiplyColumns

The try is in there in case one of the columns doesn't contain numeric data
or the column name doesn't exist  but you could ctach that other ways.

Datagrids are great but it takes a while to get to grips with them!

Pete


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> For the very first time in a pretty long career as a LiveCode coder, I'm
> trying to make sense of DataGrids, which I see were a heroic effort to
> extend LiveCode - with a very sophisticated implementation and literally
> hundreds of pages of documentation. AFAIK it was done by Trevor deVore - I
> am deeply impressed, even as I stumble.
>
> I am trying to implement some spreadsheet-like behaviour and have fallen
> more or less at the first fence during the lesson on Page 94 "How do I get
> Aggregate Values for Columns?".
>
> I can make the example work if I follow it exactly. It depends on a
> getProp handler the first line of which is:
>
>  getprop uSumOfColumn [pColumn]
>
> I would like to multiply two columns using this as a starting point, so I
> would like to refer to two columns in my getProp handler. However when I
> look up getProp in the LC documentation, I don't see that getProp can take
> any parameters at all, certainly not an array reference, so my attempt to
> extend this structure with a line like
>
> getProp usMultipleOfColumns [pColumn1] [ pColumn2]
>
> can't be compiled - putting a comma in between the parameters (if that's
> what they are) doesn't help. As you see I have no idea what I'm doing. My
> question is, how does the syntax of the original getProp handler work? How
> is the bit in square brackets allowed, and why isn't it featured in the LC
> documentation? If I did want to provide a getProp handler with the names of
> two different columns, how would I do it? I do realise there are much more
> pedestrian ways of achieving what I want, but it seems important to
> understand the mechanism shown in the DataGrid docs.
>
> Ignorantly
>
> Graham
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 12:48:22 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:48:22 -0700
Subject: Button oddities -- LC 5.5 related? (Not a serious problem)
In-Reply-To: <5C5EE01C-9C36-4AD4-AF40-10CC512ACC94@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <F16D59CD-62E0-4F1D-8137-6743E74B8BA2@DOCTORTIMOTHYMILLER.COM>
	<4F778BAF.6090105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5C5EE01C-9C36-4AD4-AF40-10CC512ACC94@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <E625FAC0-4923-4C8B-8BC9-8D51832CCB9C@twft.com>

BTW This is why I wanted to group my imported images into predefined ID ranges. I ran across this at one point. 

Bob


On Mar 31, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> On Mar 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 3/31/12 5:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>>> I just discovered that if I click with the browse tool on the
>>> place where the buttons should be, the button becomes visible and the
>>> button script executes. If I save and quit LC, the buttons disappear
>>> when I launch the stack again.
>> 
>> Sounds like an icon ID conflict. Do what Mike suggested. Import the icons from the Icon Library into your stack and assign the new image IDs to the buttons. That way they'll stay stable.
> 
> Thankya Mike and Jacque. That's a relief! I had unhappy visions of laboriously re-creating a corrupted stack.
> 
> Sadly, I can't figure out how to import icons from the icon library into my stack. You won't believe this... The first thing that popped into my head was "resedit"
> 
> Okay, I guess I figured it out by trial and error, probably did it wrong, but it worked. Something about development: image library. Never noticed that item before.
> 
> A couple of little images, about right for the icons I want, are now sitting at a random location on one of the cards in the stack. So now when I set the icon, I can use image library:this stack. I can see the little images there. Before I was using image library: standard icons.
> 
> What do I do with the little images I imported? Set the visible to false, hide them under a field, or can I delete them now, because they are used in a button?
> 
> Should this be standard procedure? I never thought about importing images for icons. Normally, when I make a new button and want an icon, I just use the icons & borders popup.
> 
> The stack and buttons are working normally now.
> 
>> Version 5.5 has a new file format and older versions of LiveCode can't read it.
>> 
>> Open your stack in 5.5. Do a "Save as" and use the popdown menu in the Save dialog to choose Legacy 2.7 format. Save it that way and it will open again in 5.02.
> 
> Another relief.
> 
> Maybe I should read the "what's new" document. I don't recall seeing one, but I didn't look for it very hard.
> 
> Tim
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 12:52:14 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:52:14 -0700
Subject: Button oddities -- LC 5.5 related? (Not a serious problem)
In-Reply-To: <4F78A693.3060609@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F16D59CD-62E0-4F1D-8137-6743E74B8BA2@DOCTORTIMOTHYMILLER.COM>
	<4F778BAF.6090105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5C5EE01C-9C36-4AD4-AF40-10CC512ACC94@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<4F78A693.3060609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3DB95ABB-7873-4DA5-A500-9F9C46EE323B@twft.com>

It's one of the oddest things, but buttons point to imported images, imported images *can* be set to point to a file on the hard drive. Why not allow a button to point to an image on the hard drive for it's icon I say? Someone will cry, "Backwards Compatibility" at this point no doubt. But the ability to set a button's Icons to files on the hard drive ought to be a major consideration for the next major LC release IMHO. 

Bob


On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 3/31/12 9:21 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
> 
>> What do I do with the little images I imported? Set the visible to
>> false, hide them under a field, or can I delete them now, because
>> they are used in a button?
> 
> You can't delete them; they are the source of your icons. Just set them to be invisible.




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 13:02:11 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:02:11 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
	<198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <63D803C7-E7FB-42E3-A37F-D212600ECF4F@twft.com>

Do you have your own domain set up with on-rev? If so, then you need to contact the blacklist organizations and find out what the gripe was. Then you can contact them via a form they have and request that you be removed, but if the problem still persists, the problem will recur. 

Are you sending out a lot of email from your domain as a kind of spam? If so, then you should consider using a separate domain for this for obvious reasons. Also, find out what is blacklisted, your IP or your domain. If your domain then someone may have hijacked it for smtp. If your IP then it's pretty clear that something at On-Rev has gotten compromised, but I seriously doubt that, unless it's a web site someone is maintaining there. That needs to be addressed with the On-Rev support people. 

Once you resolve the issue, contact the blacklist sites, let them know what you have done to resolve the issue, and they should unblock your domain/IP. Everyone gets at least one freebie, so get it right. 

Bob


On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Klaus-
> 
> Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).
> 
>> So my hoster has a bad reputation? 
>> If yes, how come? What can I do?
> 
>> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D
> 
> I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use
> your local isp's smtp server instead.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 13:04:24 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:04:24 -0700
Subject: P
In-Reply-To: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <446397493-1333286454-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-635475634-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1302DEFD-5AC3-46FB-AAB6-F251FE40258D@twft.com>

I don't have to P and you can't make me!

Bob


On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:20 AM, mark.rauterkus at gmail.com wrote:

> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry?
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Apr  2 13:21:09 2012
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:21:09 +0200
Subject: Button oddities -- LC 5.5 related? (Not a serious problem)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <53088290-B5FC-4067-983F-01BE03BB9315@derbrill.de>

I do not see what does not work in that context? The images does not necessariely need to be imported? Works just fine with referenced images. Sure, it still needs an image container, but that does not hurt much, does it? I would be glad if the icon could be a rugged ID though (image ID 58 of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack") without being resolved to an ambigouus number...

Cheers,

Malte

> It's one of the oddest things, but buttons point to imported images, imported images *can* be set to point to a file on the hard drive. Why not allow a button to point to an image on the hard drive for it's icon I say?



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Apr  2 13:26:01 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:26:01 +0200
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <63D803C7-E7FB-42E3-A37F-D212600ECF4F@twft.com>
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
	<198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
	<63D803C7-E7FB-42E3-A37F-D212600ECF4F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <3A4C2012-F2E6-4D5C-8290-ACDCDEE4EE2B@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Bob,

Am 02.04.2012 um 19:02 schrieb Bob Sneidar:

> Do you have your own domain set up with on-rev?

Yep.

> If so, then you need to contact the blacklist organizations and find out what the gripe was. Then you can contact them via a form they have and request that you be removed, but if the problem still persists, the problem will recur. 
> 
> Are you sending out a lot of email from your domain as a kind of spam?

Not at all! :-/

> If so, then you should consider using a separate domain for this for obvious reasons. Also, find out what is blacklisted, your IP or your domain. If your domain then someone may have hijacked it for smtp. If your IP then it's pretty clear that something at On-Rev has gotten compromised, but I seriously doubt that, unless it's a web site someone is maintaining there. That needs to be addressed with the On-Rev support people. 
> 
> Once you resolve the issue, contact the blacklist sites, let them know what you have done to resolve the issue, and they should unblock your domain/IP. Everyone gets at least one freebie, so get it right. 

Thanks for the hints!

> Bob
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Klaus-
>> Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote:
>>> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).
>>> So my hoster has a bad reputation? 
>>> If yes, how come? What can I do?
>>> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D
>> I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use
>> your local isp's smtp server instead.

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From tolistim at me.com  Mon Apr  2 13:29:27 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:29:27 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
	<198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <094183C5-9254-4ADE-B869-2229B70D7585@me.com>

It appears that OnRev uses GoDaddy services as the "secureserver.net" servers belong to them.  Because of GoDaddy's "easy" online setup, spammers / scammers are able to pop in, perform a hit-and-run with their mail broadcast, and the security team doesn't catch it and disable the account into it's already a problem.

It sounds to me like RunRev should examine alternate mail service providers for the OnRev solution since secureserver.net is very deeply entrenched in the blacklists.

Tim
.
On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Klaus-
> 
> Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).
> 
>> So my hoster has a bad reputation? 
>> If yes, how come? What can I do?
> 
>> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D
> 
> I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use
> your local isp's smtp server instead.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr  2 13:44:55 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:44:55 -0600
Subject: iOS pull-down menu is full screen
Message-ID: <C7D73B45-88BB-4627-BAD2-351C2EB15D72@swcp.com>

I'm using LiveCode 4.6.4 for this.  In a test stack a pull-down menu shows up as full screen on iOS 4.3.  I think a combo box does the same.  I would guess later versions have this fixed, but if there is a quick workaround I'd like to do that.  This doesn't have to look pretty, but something better than full screen would be nice.  

(I thought I had used a menu button that did not do this but maybe not.)

Any ideas?

Dar




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 13:47:31 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:47:31 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <094183C5-9254-4ADE-B869-2229B70D7585@me.com>
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
	<198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
	<094183C5-9254-4ADE-B869-2229B70D7585@me.com>
Message-ID: <8623F75A-D6E1-4BC2-98EC-82C41A1F97F1@twft.com>

Nice to know Tim good catch!

Bob


On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> It appears that OnRev uses GoDaddy services as the "secureserver.net" servers belong to them.  Because of GoDaddy's "easy" online setup, spammers / scammers are able to pop in, perform a hit-and-run with their mail broadcast, and the security team doesn't catch it and disable the account into it's already a problem.
> 
> It sounds to me like RunRev should examine alternate mail service providers for the OnRev solution since secureserver.net is very deeply entrenched in the blacklists.
> 
> Tim
> .
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Klaus-
>> 
>> Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).
>> 
>>> So my hoster has a bad reputation? 
>>> If yes, how come? What can I do?
>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D
>> 
>> I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use
>> your local isp's smtp server instead.
>> 
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Apr  2 13:57:16 2012
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Peter

Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.

That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter out
later.

It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character after
the last record and
it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.

Martin

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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 14:02:36 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:02:36 -0700
Subject: Button oddities -- LC 5.5 related? (Not a serious problem)
In-Reply-To: <53088290-B5FC-4067-983F-01BE03BB9315@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<53088290-B5FC-4067-983F-01BE03BB9315@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <25B33BF6-AEBF-46F1-89D2-1C1E6A8E830B@twft.com>

If a button could point to a file instead of an embedded image, the issues with ID's would disappear altogether. Instead of having an image AND the button, and then hiding the image, you would only have the button. Yes you can create an image and point it to a file on the hard drive, but it amounts to the same thing as importing the image and then setting it's file reference to the original file. 2 different paths, same destination. A button's icon still has to be set to that image object's ID, so it's six one way, half a dozen the other. One leg is both the same, you see? ;-) 

Bob


On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

> I do not see what does not work in that context? The images does not necessariely need to be imported? Works just fine with referenced images. Sure, it still needs an image container, but that does not hurt much, does it? I would be glad if the icon could be a rugged ID though (image ID 58 of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack") without being resolved to an ambigouus number...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Malte
> 
>> It's one of the oddest things, but buttons point to imported images, imported images *can* be set to point to a file on the hard drive. Why not allow a button to point to an image on the hard drive for it's icon I say?
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 14:02:23 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:02:23 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <094183C5-9254-4ADE-B869-2229B70D7585@me.com>
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
	<198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
	<094183C5-9254-4ADE-B869-2229B70D7585@me.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kGor5T-YoA-wvQrnw-v0ZU3DHtWADMyDdFBVksQgnFTA@mail.gmail.com>

I got caught in this web a couple of years back (I think it was with
GoDaddy).  Here's the problem I have with the blacklist sites.  Their
blanket blackballing of servers means that the 99% of users who are using
it for genuine, non-spam emails get dumped on for the sins of the 1%.
 Personally, I sgtrongly object to having my genuine emails blocked in this
fashion.  It's illegal to tamper with the US Mail and it should be illegal
to block the delivery of genuine email as well.

End of rant!

Pete

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com> wrote:

> It appears that OnRev uses GoDaddy services as the "secureserver.net"
> servers belong to them.  Because of GoDaddy's "easy" online setup, spammers
> / scammers are able to pop in, perform a hit-and-run with their mail
> broadcast, and the security team doesn't catch it and disable the account
> into it's already a problem.
>
> It sounds to me like RunRev should examine alternate mail service
> providers for the OnRev solution since secureserver.net is very deeply
> entrenched in the blacklists.
>
> Tim
> .
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Klaus-
> >
> > Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote:
> >
> >> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev).
> >
> >> So my hoster has a bad reputation?
> >> If yes, how come? What can I do?
> >
> >> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D
> >
> > I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use
> > your local isp's smtp server instead.
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> > mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  2 14:50:04 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:50:04 -0500
Subject: iOS pull-down menu is full screen
In-Reply-To: <C7D73B45-88BB-4627-BAD2-351C2EB15D72@swcp.com>
References: <C7D73B45-88BB-4627-BAD2-351C2EB15D72@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4F79F4DC.20700@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/2/12 12:44 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> I'm using LiveCode 4.6.4 for this.  In a test stack a pull-down menu
> shows up as full screen on iOS 4.3.  I think a combo box does the
> same.  I would guess later versions have this fixed, but if there is
> a quick workaround I'd like to do that.  This doesn't have to look
> pretty, but something better than full screen would be nice.

Mobile systems can only display one window at a time, and menu butons 
are implemented internally as stacks so they show full screen. The 
solution was to use an iOS native control, but that didn't happen until 
version 5.0.

You could probably make your own popup by faking it with a field.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 15:05:00 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:05:00 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <79E56440-DDA7-4E78-8931-379AC2ACF5B8@twft.com>

I just checked to see what revDataFromQuery uses for a row delimiter by default, if you do not provide one. It returns ascii 10, the backspace character! Very odd. Must be an HTML thingummy. 

I then specified comma and cr as the column and row delimiters like so:

   put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from events") & cr into theSQLData
   put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from clients") & cr after theSQLData

This produced NO extra line that I could see. If you still get an extra line using this method, I suspect you have a blank record in your table. 

Bob


On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob wrote:

> Hi Peter
> 
> Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.
> 
> That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter out
> later.
> 
> It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character after
> the last record and
> it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
> the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.
> 
> Martin
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 15:12:40 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:12:40 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kAeDnC8Fa6Vrchu=Szkdt3cmg_jWCe20gYOFLX0q-Q3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin,
That's strange. I just tried the following test:

put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) into tVar
put return & revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) after tVar

tVar looked just like it should after the above, no blank lines.

Are you using the default rowdelim character for revDataFromQuery?  What
platform are you on?  My test was done on a Mac.

Pete

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.
>
> That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter out
> later.
>
> It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character
> after
> the last record and
> it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
> the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.
>
> Martin
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 15:12:40 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:12:40 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kAeDnC8Fa6Vrchu=Szkdt3cmg_jWCe20gYOFLX0q-Q3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin,
That's strange. I just tried the following test:

put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) into tVar
put return & revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) after tVar

tVar looked just like it should after the above, no blank lines.

Are you using the default rowdelim character for revDataFromQuery?  What
platform are you on?  My test was done on a Mac.

Pete

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.
>
> That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter out
> later.
>
> It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character
> after
> the last record and
> it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
> the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.
>
> Martin
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  2 15:16:43 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:16:43 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <79E56440-DDA7-4E78-8931-379AC2ACF5B8@twft.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<79E56440-DDA7-4E78-8931-379AC2ACF5B8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9k278529C1QFG4KjoNwYqQfHH2JQYM8RNM6ka3qV3X4gg@mail.gmail.com>

Do you mean decimal 10 or octal 10?  Decimal 10 is newline (which is what
I'd expect), octal 10 is backspace.
Pete

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> I just checked to see what revDataFromQuery uses for a row delimiter by
> default, if you do not provide one. It returns ascii 10, the backspace
> character! Very odd. Must be an HTML thingummy.
>
> I then specified comma and cr as the column and row delimiters like so:
>
>   put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from events") & cr
> into theSQLData
>   put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from clients") & cr
> after theSQLData
>
> This produced NO extra line that I could see. If you still get an extra
> line using this method, I suspect you have a blank record in your table.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter
> >
> > Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.
> >
> > That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter
> out
> > later.
> >
> > It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character
> after
> > the last record and
> > it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
> > the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html
> > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 15:21:47 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:21:47 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9kAeDnC8Fa6Vrchu=Szkdt3cmg_jWCe20gYOFLX0q-Q3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9kAeDnC8Fa6Vrchu=Szkdt3cmg_jWCe20gYOFLX0q-Q3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B54B724B-8570-4671-91A1-3CDAE1CF9511@twft.com>

Reference my post. I think he may have a blank row in his database. 

Bob


On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Pete wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> That's strange. I just tried the following test:
> 
> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) into tVar
> put return & revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) after tVar
> 
> tVar looked just like it should after the above, no blank lines.
> 
> Are you using the default rowdelim character for revDataFromQuery?  What
> platform are you on?  My test was done on a Mac.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>> Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.
>> 
>> That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter out
>> later.
>> 
>> It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character
>> after
>> the last record and
>> it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
>> the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pete
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Apr  2 15:59:16 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 21:59:16 +0200
Subject: getProp syntax query
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2701.1333385537.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.2701.1333385537.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <54AADF8C-93C0-44C5-97C6-17952627C38E@mac.com>

Mark, thanks for that. There is absolutely nothing of this in the LC Dictionary AFAICS, although after a search I realised that there is a very hard to read (IMHO) description on section 7.10 of the User Guide. I think at the very least a note should be added to the Dictionary entry, so I have submitted one, but I would be very happy if someone such as yourself corrects it. It seems a huge omission to me. The Dictionary should give at least the correct syntax for every type of statement.

Thanks again

Graham

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:38:06 +0200, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Graham,
> 
> The following (nonsense) example works:
> 
> getProp foo[bar]
>   answer bar
>   return "hello world"
> end foo
> 
> setProp foo[bar] theData
>   answer theData
>   pass foo
> end foo
> 
> You can use only one index, i.e. the setProp/getProp handlers are one-dimensional. An additional parameter contains the data that the property is being set to. Use the target to find out which control's property is being set. 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr  2 16:42:40 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:42:40 -0700
Subject: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9k278529C1QFG4KjoNwYqQfHH2JQYM8RNM6ka3qV3X4gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1333374469323-4526068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333375928.49104.YahooMailClassic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1333377617318-4526210.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333378179774-4526238.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CABx6j9nCrK5eWSMr--+qC=BoQqxWHfifeJVwjBux=uwj0yAELw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1333389436425-4526757.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<79E56440-DDA7-4E78-8931-379AC2ACF5B8@twft.com>
	<CABx6j9k278529C1QFG4KjoNwYqQfHH2JQYM8RNM6ka3qV3X4gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418F4B0-6D95-44C6-99CD-6F04C3ED9048@twft.com>

Whoops! My bad yes it's dec 12 newline. I just assumed in a list of that nature on a web site the first column would be the one the majority of people care about. :-)

Bob


On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Pete wrote:

> Do you mean decimal 10 or octal 10?  Decimal 10 is newline (which is what
> I'd expect), octal 10 is backspace.
> Pete
> 
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just checked to see what revDataFromQuery uses for a row delimiter by
>> default, if you do not provide one. It returns ascii 10, the backspace
>> character! Very odd. Must be an HTML thingummy.
>> 
>> I then specified comma and cr as the column and row delimiters like so:
>> 
>>  put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from events") & cr
>> into theSQLData
>>  put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from clients") & cr
>> after theSQLData
>> 
>> This produced NO extra line that I could see. If you still get an extra
>> line using this method, I suspect you have a blank record in your table.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter
>>> 
>>> Thanks, I just tried your suggestion.
>>> 
>>> That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter
>> out
>>> later.
>>> 
>>> It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character
>> after
>>> the last record and
>>> it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in
>>> the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html
>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pete
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  2 18:45:07 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:45:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
References: <AAB3E91D-9789-4C96-A45F-C4690300CB37@major.on-rev.com>
	<198356695796.20120402083107@ahsoftware.net>
	<094183C5-9254-4ADE-B869-2229B70D7585@me.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20120403T004020-363@post.gmane.org>

Tim Jones <tolistim at ...> writes:

> It appears that OnRev uses GoDaddy services as the "secureserver.net" servers
belong to them.  Because of
> GoDaddy's "easy" online setup, spammers / scammers are able to pop in, perform
a hit-and-run with their
> mail broadcast, and the security team doesn't catch it and disable the account
into it's already a problem.
> 
> It sounds to me like RunRev should examine alternate mail service providers
for the OnRev solution since
> secureserver.net is very deeply entrenched in the blacklists.

Tim-

That's exactly the problem. Using blacklists to control spam is a brute-force
lowest-common-denominator approach. Unfortunately, everyone uses one of a
handful of blacklist servers. It's very difficult to get an IP address off the
list and very easy to get on.

The short-term solution is to configure your email client to use your local smtp
server instead of on-rev's. The long-term solution is, as you said, for runrev
to select a different domain service. Since further development work on the
on-rev hosting platform is unlikely, the long-term solution then is the same as
the short-term solution.

-- 
 Mark Wieder






From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Apr  2 21:37:56 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 21:37:56 -0400
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <1333372199307-4525961.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C72000C3-56BB-4403-AD16-C43D9A7CD8A0@mac.com>
	<1333372199307-4525961.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F431F44F-7EA0-4148-8C76-3B973BB4EAE2@mac.com>

Mark,

This will only work with LC 5.5 and above.

LC 5.0.2 will only work with xCode with iOS 5.0 -- not 5.1


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Thanks Tom, unfortunately I had no luck. The exact path to Xcode 4.3.2 is
> Mark Smith's Macbook Pro/Macintosh HD/Applications. Selecting that path in
> prefs gives me this error msg:
> 
> "The chosen folder is not a valid iOS SDK for 5.0 and later. It must be one
> that ships with Xcode 4.2 or later."
> 
> I'll send it to Support and see what they say. I am starting to develop a
> huge aversion to anything called an upgrade <sigh>
> 
> -- Mark
> 
> PS I should mention I am still using LC 5.0.2. That may be the problem at
> this point.
> 
> PPS Jacque, the upgrade to Lion went smoother than I thought, and apart from
> the above I've not run into any other problems. I can't say there is
> anything in Lion I am looking for, but windows do seem to snap open faster.
> Graham, if I get this sorted out I'll post the solution. 
> 
> 
> Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> The new path is actually to the xCode.app in the applications folder and
>> once pointed to the app itself LC will then traverse the package contents
>> to the internal 5.1 SDK and not the 5.0 SDK. You don't really need the
>> /Developer anymore since LC can now build the 5.1 in the xCode.app app.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Location-of-iOS-5-0-SDK-tp4524976p4525961.html
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Tue Apr  3 00:06:43 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <F431F44F-7EA0-4148-8C76-3B973BB4EAE2@mac.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C72000C3-56BB-4403-AD16-C43D9A7CD8A0@mac.com>
	<1333372199307-4525961.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<F431F44F-7EA0-4148-8C76-3B973BB4EAE2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1333426003535-4527755.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike, Tom, all the rest... thanks for the assistance. You are correct. I did
an email earlier today to Heather and she confirmed this only works in 5.5
(I feel another article for the newsletter coming on... we should not be
stumbling around out here in user land trying to figure this out... anyway).
However, while I've now sufficiently calmed down those who saw my recent
post on the dev list will know that my first foray into LC 5.5 just about
gave me a heart attack. The first time I opened my stack (the one I am
currently developing) every action resulted in an error, and the whole UI
was totally toast. I thought I was done for sure. Time to hang up the
developer hat. Then I did something inexplicable. I closed and reopened the
stack, without saving (I remember explicitly thinking... who would want to
save this mess) and... it all worked. For a minute I thought I was back in
5.0.2 somehow. But I wasn't. It just worked. 

I still have no idea what happened, or why (which does kind of scare me).
But we're back in business. I even recompiled it for iOS and it worked fine.
Apparently this is the current recipe:

iOS 5.1
xCode 4.3.2
OSX 10.7.3
LC 5.5
Point the mobile support preference at the xCode 4.3.2 application (which is
just a clever folder in disguise) and it should work.

Thanks again... you folks are the best.

-- Mark


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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Tue Apr  3 00:14:14 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
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J. Landman Gay wrote
> 
> 
> I have purchased and downloaded Lion and have been sitting here all 
> weekend trying to make myself install it. I know I have to. Still don't 
> want to.
> 


Jacque, I would say go for it. The current successful recipe, based on my
limited experience, appears to be

iOS 5.1 
xCode 4.3.2 
OSX 10.7.3 
LC 5.5 
Point the mobile support preference at the xCode 4.3.2 application (which is
just a clever folder in disguise) and it should work. 

But be aware that the first time I opened a stack in LC 5.5 it went totally
berserk on stuff that had run flawlessly before, then when I closed and
reopened the stack it worked fine. I have no explanation. But I think I've
had more than enough fun for one night, and will take another look at this
tomorrow.

What an exciting field we operate in :)

-- Mark





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From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 00:19:35 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 21:19:35 -0700
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <F431F44F-7EA0-4148-8C76-3B973BB4EAE2@mac.com>
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On Apr 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> This will only work with LC 5.5 and above.
> 
> LC 5.0.2 will only work with xCode with iOS 5.0 -- not 5.1

However, there is no reason that you can't build a 5.1 compatible app using LC5.0.2 and Xcode 4.2.

Tim




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr  3 01:01:14 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:01:14 -0500
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/2/12 11:14 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> Jacque, I would say go for it. The current successful recipe, based on my
> limited experience, appears to be

<snip>

I've been keeping notes, so I think I've got the recipe down. I just 
don't want Lion. But everyone seems to have updated successfully so I 
will do it too. I was going to do it today but I didn't, and now it's 
getting late, so I'll...do it tomorrow. Right. Tomorrow.

(Everybody sing: Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I'll do it, tomorrow!)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Apr  3 06:37:56 2012
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 03:37:56 -0700
Subject: Paste Text Into revBrowser Field?
Message-ID: <CBA02114.5BA1A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Anyone know if this is possible?  Paste text from the clipboard into a
revBrowser form field?

Currently, it only seems possible to cut text from a field -- how can one
paste text?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Apr  3 07:43:32 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:43:32 -0400
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <9DA1AED9-E4E5-4513-90F0-49C3C543672D@mac.com>

"Come on in, the waters fine."

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 3, 2012, at 1:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/2/12 11:14 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>> Jacque, I would say go for it. The current successful recipe, based on my
>> limited experience, appears to be
> 
> <snip>
> 
> I've been keeping notes, so I think I've got the recipe down. I just don't want Lion. But everyone seems to have updated successfully so I will do it too. I was going to do it today but I didn't, and now it's getting late, so I'll...do it tomorrow. Right. Tomorrow.
> 
> (Everybody sing: Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I'll do it, tomorrow!)
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 10:19:53 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:19:53 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9kGor5T-YoA-wvQrnw-v0ZU3DHtWADMyDdFBVksQgnFTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9kGor5T-YoA-wvQrnw-v0ZU3DHtWADMyDdFBVksQgnFTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B0709.9040609@fourthworld.com>

Pete wrote:
> I got caught in this web a couple of years back (I think it was with
> GoDaddy).  Here's the problem I have with the blacklist sites.  Their
> blanket blackballing of servers means that the 99% of users who are using
> it for genuine, non-spam emails get dumped on for the sins of the 1%.
>  Personally, I sgtrongly object to having my genuine emails blocked in this
> fashion.  It's illegal to tamper with the US Mail and it should be illegal
> to block the delivery of genuine email as well.

I've had domains caught up with sloppy blacklisting schemes myself.

It's not a problem with RunRev, or their host, but with the lazy nature 
of a few blacklisting systems.

<rant>
Worse, the sloppiest blacklisters are also the most difficult to try to 
reason with once your machine falls onto their list.  The arrogance I 
encountered dealing with them was beyond the most rude behavior I've 
seen in any other context.  Living as they do in a world of false 
assumptions, they (at least at the time I tried to deal with them) seem 
to regard all request as spammers trying to get a free pass in their 
system, completely oblivious to the most patient and reasoned 
explanations of their error.  They seem to presume that such an 
inherently faulty method is somehow beyond the ability to ever result in 
a false-positive, in spite of countless articles across the web 
explaining how that's the case, indulging themselves in the fantasy of 
playing some sort of romantic vigilante role, protecting the world from 
evildoers even if it means killing thousands of legitimate emails along 
the way.  "If you're complaining you must be a spammer!   Hey, it's just 
collateral damage in the noble fight against spam!  You gotta be willing 
to break a few eggs if you want to make an omelette!  Freedom isn't 
free!  Ignorance is strength!"

They're welcome to prove me wrong at any time:

1. Stop being rude to innocent people trapped by the broken system
2. Fix the broken system
</rant>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 10:24:05 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:24:05 -0700
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B28412BB-89CA-4568-A7E9-231D220F2CAE@me.com>

Jacque,

After you update to Lion, you can install Parallels 7 and then build a Snow Leopard VM.  This is what I do on my personal Mac Pro (I also have Leopard and Tiger, as well as multiple Windows and Linux versions).

Another option would be to buy a firewire external HD and install Lion onto that and then dual boot your system (this is what I do with two of our iMacs.

Tim

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/2/12 11:14 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>> Jacque, I would say go for it. The current successful recipe, based on my
>> limited experience, appears to be
> 
> <snip>
> 
> I've been keeping notes, so I think I've got the recipe down. I just don't want Lion. But everyone seems to have updated successfully so I will do it too. I was going to do it today but I didn't, and now it's getting late, so I'll...do it tomorrow. Right. Tomorrow.
> 
> (Everybody sing: Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I'll do it, tomorrow!)





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 10:24:34 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:24:34 -0700
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I gave up on LiveCode on Linux some years ago.
>
> Last week I downloaded and installed one of the v5.x installers from
> my LiveCode account, and installed it on Mint Linux.  As soon as I
> started LiveCode, it hung.  Luckily, as it started, the LiveCode
> window was smaller than the monitor - as even when I started the task
> killer to kill it, the task killer could not get access to any portion
> of the screen in which the LiveCode window was located.
>
> If I'd been able to get LiveCode to work, I was prepared to pay for
> Linux deployment.  As I couldn't, I saved myself some money (for about
> the 3rd or 4th year running).
>
> To my recollection, I've had trouble with LiveCode on Mint, OpenSuse
> and CentOS - 3 of the top 7 distros on distrowatch.org.

Have you files RQCC reports on those?  If so, could you please share the 
URLs so I can track those?

If you may be willing to give it another go, feel free to contact me 
offlist to try to resolve this.

I've had very good luck on Ubuntu, and Mark Weider seems to do well with 
LC on Fedora, so while the feature- and price-parity is a bit wonky 
what's there should be workable.

Moreover, if there's a problem with the LC engine from your system's 
configuration it's essential that I know that as I continue to expand my 
Linux deployments, since there's a chance that sooner or later one of my 
apps may be affected by such difficulties with a customer.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 10:27:47 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:27:47 -0700
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena
Message-ID: <4F7B08E3.8080201@fourthworld.com>

The first Thursday of each month the SoCal LiveCode User Group meets at 
Burger Continental in Pasadena at 7 PM - details here:
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11291>

Bring your questions, cool algos or projects you've been working on, and 
an appetite for BC's excellent burgers and Middle Eastern food. :)

See ya' there -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 10:28:25 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:28:25 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <4F7B0709.9040609@fourthworld.com>
References: <CABx6j9kGor5T-YoA-wvQrnw-v0ZU3DHtWADMyDdFBVksQgnFTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B0709.9040609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2570A6C6-1F5B-4B0B-BFBE-A5F9D6A9DA35@me.com>

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I've had domains caught up with sloppy blacklisting schemes myself.
> 
> It's not a problem with RunRev, or their host, but with the lazy nature of a few blacklisting systems.

Actually, in this case, it is their host.  GoDaddy needs to tighten up their "secureserver.net" environment to eliminate the spamming that occurs.  Their servers are high on the list of even the most legitimate blacklist maintainers (Barracuda, for instance).  This was one of the driving forces behind our moving to a VPS instead of using their shared plans.  Costs extra, but no issues of this type (and they still maintain the HW).

Tim




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr  3 10:31:37 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:31:37 -0400
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've been doing some work with LC in Ubuntu, with mixed results.

The most annoying things to me are:
1) scroll bars that overlap the text field they control, with an opaque
thumb and transparent guide, making the right side unreadable
2) Fonts don't seem to be rendered the same way, making layouts a pain
3) Script editor oddities - things like the menus don't match up with where
I'm clicking
4) Random crashes, forcing me to save frequently.

The worst part is
5) No response to bug reports from the team.

It's better than nothing, and it's great that I can develop and deploy LC
on all major desktop and mobile platforms, but it can be a pain.


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Apr  3 10:58:54 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:58:54 -0500
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com> <4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B102E.5060102@warrensweb.us>

On 04/02/2012 06:15 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> I gave up on LiveCode on Linux some years ago.
>
> Last week I downloaded and installed one of the v5.x installers from
> my LiveCode account, and installed it on Mint Linux.  As soon as I
> started LiveCode, it hung.  Luckily, as it started, the LiveCode
> window was smaller than the monitor - as even when I started the task
> killer to kill it, the task killer could not get access to any portion
> of the screen in which the LiveCode window was located.
>
> If I'd been able to get LiveCode to work, I was prepared to pay for
> Linux deployment.  As I couldn't, I saved myself some money (for about
> the 3rd or 4th year running).
>
> To my recollection, I've had trouble with LiveCode on Mint, OpenSuse
> and CentOS - 3 of the top 7 distros on distrowatch.org.  I can't even
> recollect if I ever got it to work satisfactorily on Debian or Ubuntu
> - I'm sure I tried.  I think I might have it installed on an Ubuntu
> laptop, so when I get back, I'll have a look (just to satisfy my own
> belief that it was a cause worth giving up on).
>
> The money I saved on paying for only the minimum that I need from
> Runrev bought me a new Macbook Air (a device I love, so I'm not
> complaining -- even though I hate the direction in which Apple is
> going).
>
> Bernard


FWIW, I never had any trouble running Livecode under Mint 9 and 10, both 
64 bit with compatibility libs installed, and 32 bit native, and have 
run it without any problems under openSUSE 11.4 and, currently, 12.1, 64 
bit with 32 bit libs installed.

Warren



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 11:17:37 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:17:37 -0700
Subject: getProp syntax query
In-Reply-To: <54AADF8C-93C0-44C5-97C6-17952627C38E@mac.com>
References: <54AADF8C-93C0-44C5-97C6-17952627C38E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B1491.7070908@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

 > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 Mark Schonewille wrote:
...
 >> You can use only one index, i.e. the setProp/getProp handlers
 >> are one-dimensional.
...
 > Mark, thanks for that. There is absolutely nothing of this in the
 > LC Dictionary AFAICS, although after a search I realised that
 > there is a very hard to read (IMHO) description on section 7.10
 > of the User Guide. I think at the very least a note should be
 > added to the Dictionary entry, so I have submitted one, but I
 > would be very happy if someone such as yourself corrects it.

Or you could do that yourself, with the Comments feature.  Probably a 
useful note to add until that Dict entry gets enhanced.

In fact, it would be great to submit an RQCC request for this Dict 
issue, so it will be on RunRev's radar.


At the heart of this is a core difference between how arrays and custom 
props are handled.  They seem similar but have diverged in recent years:

In the olden days, both LiveCode's associative arrays and the custom 
properties it allows in objects were parallel:  they were one 
dimensional, and you could move data between them easily:

    put the customProperties of tObj into tMyArray
    set the customProperties of tObj to tMyArray

When arrays became multi-dimensional, that made it difficult to use the 
same syntax to accomplish similar goals, so they created a workaround to 
support that which also gave rise to two new functions, arrayEncode and 
arrayDecode.

ArrayEncode translates an array from the memory-specific hash table that 
drives it into a flat form that can be saved to disk.  ArrayDecode 
translates that flattened form back into an array in memory.

But since memory-mapped hash tables can't be used from disk, the format 
of data returned from arrayEncode is not easily traversed, requiring 
considerable clock cycles to translate back into an array when run 
though arrayDecode.

In essence, what those functions do is somewhat similar to what you'd 
have to do if you wanted to flatten array data in a script, walking 
through each element and writing it out into a linear format that 
retains key-value association, nesting, etc.

When you save an array to a custom prop, from what I'm seeing in terms 
of performance it seems that the array data is passed through something 
very similar to the internal routine used for arrayEncode, allowing that 
binary data to be storable, but unfortunately not in a form that's 
easily traversed.

And since those can't be traversed using the same rapid methods that 
memory-based arrays use, we have no ability to use multi-dimensional 
array syntax to address them as properties like we do as arrays.

For the long term I've submitted a request to see if we can come up with 
a b-tree storage method which might allow us to use the same syntax for 
both arrays and nested props:

Make arrays and customProperties behave the same
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6912>

In the meantime, to access array data stored in a custom prop requires 
two steps, first to extract the array and then to access its nested 
elements:

    put the MyPropArray of tObj into tSomeArray
    put tSomeArray[1][2] into tSomeValue

Note that performance of nested arrays as props is roughly on par with 
running data that had been saved with arrayEncode through the 
arrayEncode function, not nearly as fast as using a true array in a 
variable.  So for performance-critical uses it may be helpful to extract 
the array early on and use it from a global, storing it back only when 
needed.


This is a good opportunity to share a bit of geeky fun news with you folks:

Kevin Miller and Ben Beaumont have generously asked Mark Waddingham to 
take a moment away from his very busy schedule to provide a description 
of the format of the data we get from arrayEncode.

I had requested this because I have a few cases where I need to be able 
to extract a specific data element from an array stored on disk, without 
the overhead of reading the entire file and running it through 
arrayDecode.   This is for a CGI where every millisecond counts, and 
some of the arrays I'm working with have hundreds of thousands of nested 
keys.

To justify the time required for Mark to do this, we made a deal:  Mark 
would provide a sparse description only sufficient to get me started so 
he could get back to more critical tasks, provided I take that info and 
flesh it out into an article for LiveCode Journal which explains the 
format in detail and provides a working example of how to use it.

Mark came through on his end of the bargain wonderfully, providing a 
sample function that worked on the first level of array keys, which was 
enough for me to expand it to be able extract the data from any key 
regardless of depth.

The article explaining it all is in progress now and close to done.  I 
expect to be able to post it to LiveCode Journal by Saturday.

Here's a tantalizing tidbit to whet your appetite:

The sample stack I wrote for this creates a three-dimensional array with 
100 items in each dimension, resulting in an arrayEncoded file with 1 
million elements that's about 20 MBs on disk.

The function I made from Mark's example code can extract the data from 
any element in that file in about 3 to 5 milliseconds.

Hint:  the function makes heavy use of the binaryDecode function and the 
seek command, both of which are explained in depth in the article and 
which you may find very valuable for a wide variety of uses.  The seek 
command is a god for rapidly traversing large files easily.

I look forward to sharing this with you ASAP -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 11:22:56 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:22:56 -0700
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B15D0.6080401@fourthworld.com>

Mike Kerner wrote:

> I've been doing some work with LC in Ubuntu, with mixed results.
>
> The most annoying things to me are:
> 1) scroll bars that overlap the text field they control, with an opaque
> thumb and transparent guide, making the right side unreadable
> 2) Fonts don't seem to be rendered the same way, making layouts a pain
> 3) Script editor oddities - things like the menus don't match up with where
> I'm clicking
> 4) Random crashes, forcing me to save frequently.
>
> The worst part is
> 5) No response to bug reports from the team.

With the pressure they have to refine the mobile feature set, don't be 
surprised if Linux-specific RQCC issue take a bit to show status change.

It's also worth noting that the RQCC is in practice only a feeder for 
the tracking system they use internally, so in most cases -- regardless 
of affected platform -- you may not see any change there until an issue 
is resolved.   For issues I've reported I often see them sit apparently 
untended, but then when a new release comes out batches of them get 
marked off as "Fixed" all at once.

Would you mind posting the RQCC #s here?  I track Linux issues since 
they affect an ever-greater portion of my work.

Thanks -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  3 11:28:11 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:28:11 -0600
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <B28412BB-89CA-4568-A7E9-231D220F2CAE@me.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B28412BB-89CA-4568-A7E9-231D220F2CAE@me.com>
Message-ID: <94AEFD4E-2FD8-421A-B414-88E283520CD3@swcp.com>

I have Parallels 6 for lots of Windows, but I thought it will only let me install OS X servers on a VM, not desktops.  I put OS X desktops on a rash of partitions on a firewire drive.  Does Parallels 7 and Lion get around any technical and license limitations?  

Dar


On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> Jacque,
> 
> After you update to Lion, you can install Parallels 7 and then build a Snow Leopard VM.  This is what I do on my personal Mac Pro (I also have Leopard and Tiger, as well as multiple Windows and Linux versions).
> 
> Another option would be to buy a firewire external HD and install Lion onto that and then dual boot your system (this is what I do with two of our iMacs.
> 
> Tim
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 4/2/12 11:14 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>> Jacque, I would say go for it. The current successful recipe, based on my
>>> limited experience, appears to be
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> I've been keeping notes, so I think I've got the recipe down. I just don't want Lion. But everyone seems to have updated successfully so I will do it too. I was going to do it today but I didn't, and now it's getting late, so I'll...do it tomorrow. Right. Tomorrow.
>> 
>> (Everybody sing: Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I'll do it, tomorrow!)
> 
> 
> 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Apr  3 11:33:55 2012
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:33:55 +0000
Subject: AW: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
In-Reply-To: <002101cd10b7$b2c336d0$1849a470$@de>
References: <003a01cd0e5d$0be16280$23a42780$@de>
	<000d01cd10a8$ab39e260$01ada720$@de> <4F797401.1030003@braguglia.ch>
	<002101cd10b7$b2c336d0$1849a470$@de>
Message-ID: <4EDC6086-EB8E-481F-BDA7-FF273DDC9266@byu.edu>

Tiemo,

Just a note to update. Since I wrote this article, Apple has essentially deprecated creator codes, starting with OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard). LiveCode still supports them, but as Richmond noted, an OS X app will work just fine without one.

Devin

On Apr 2, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Guglielmo,
> thank you for the informative link
> Tiemo
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Guglielmo Braguglia
>> Gesendet: Montag, 2. April 2012 11:40
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: AW: what to put into the standalone signature?
>> 
>> Hi Tiemo,
>> maybe this page help to understand the 'signature' codes :
>> http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php :-)
>> 
>> Guglielmo

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University






From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr  3 11:36:50 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:36:50 -0400
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena
In-Reply-To: <4F7B08E3.8080201@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F7B08E3.8080201@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <574CA656-1353-44F2-B195-E9F8F7EACB15@verizon.net>

Craig, should we NYC LiveCode meetups? The Olde Town miss us!





From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 11:39:21 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:39:21 -0700
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <94AEFD4E-2FD8-421A-B414-88E283520CD3@swcp.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B28412BB-89CA-4568-A7E9-231D220F2CAE@me.com>
	<94AEFD4E-2FD8-421A-B414-88E283520CD3@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <C6543811-E06B-44C1-9240-24CD765614D2@me.com>

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I have Parallels 6 for lots of Windows, but I thought it will only let me install OS X servers on a VM, not desktops.  I put OS X desktops on a rash of partitions on a firewire drive.  Does Parallels 7 and Lion get around any technical and license limitations?  

Parallels 7 let's me install client versions? the only limit is that there are no Parallels Tools for Tiger, so you only get 1024x768 display.

You can get around the server limitation in 6.  Check the archives at afp548.com for install OS X client in Parallels.

Tim




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 11:40:18 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:40:18 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <2570A6C6-1F5B-4B0B-BFBE-A5F9D6A9DA35@me.com>
References: <2570A6C6-1F5B-4B0B-BFBE-A5F9D6A9DA35@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B19E2.40807@fourthworld.com>

Tim Jones wrote:

 > On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> I've had domains caught up with sloppy blacklisting schemes myself.
 >>
 >> It's not a problem with RunRev, or their host, but with the lazy
 >> nature of a few blacklisting systems.
 >
 > Actually, in this case, it is their host.  GoDaddy needs to tighten
 > up their "secureserver.net" environment to eliminate the spamming
 > that occurs.  Their servers are high on the list of even the most
 > legitimate blacklist maintainers (Barracuda, for instance).

I'm no fan of GoDaddy so it wouldn't surprise me if they've been willing 
to turn a blind eye to illegal activity to maintain that income until 
they're absolutely forced to do the right thing.

They wouldn't be alone on this:  a few years ago it was well known that 
some 30% of global spam was originating from three regions in Florida, 
but neither the feds nor the downstream providers did anything to 
enforce the law.  Ultimately a few upstream providers got tired of 
carrying all that wasteful traffic and blocked it all in the backbone 
themselves, only after which the feds finally decided to show up for 
work and make an arrest.  The local hosts never explained why they'd 
never taken care of it themselves, and sadly the reprieve was 
short-lived as that traffic eventually moved to the Ukraine, where it 
flourishes in an apparently lawless environment today.

But back on topic:

Blocking entire IP ranges is not a responsible way to blacklist, since 
it can - an inevitably does - affect legitimate users.  It's simply 
lazy, a ham-fisted scorched-earth way to solve a problem that requires 
more surgical methods.

In fact, it seems On-Rev.com may be a very good example of how this gets 
out of hand so easily, since AFAIK their servers aren't on GoDaddy at 
all, but on SoftLayer:

<http://on-rev.com/hosting/our-data-center/>

And even if some accounts were host by GoDaddy, unless those specific 
servers are used for illegal activity there's no excuse for any 
responsible blacklisting service to block them.

Spam is indeed a serious problem, but when attempts to stop it shut down 
legitimate businesses the "cure" is every bit as bad as the problem 
itself, arguably worse.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 11:43:34 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:43:34 -0700
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena
In-Reply-To: <574CA656-1353-44F2-B195-E9F8F7EACB15@verizon.net>
References: <574CA656-1353-44F2-B195-E9F8F7EACB15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F7B1AA6.3010109@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:
> Craig, should we NYC LiveCode meetups? The Olde Town miss us!

I would strongly encourage any and all regional get-togethers.  They've 
been a lot of fun for us here in SoCal, and I've learned a lot from them 
and made a few new friends along the way.

You may want to post a note in this section of the forums Heather added 
to encourage this sort of thing:

User Groups and Gatherings
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=30>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 11:48:21 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:48:21 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <4F7B19E2.40807@fourthworld.com>
References: <2570A6C6-1F5B-4B0B-BFBE-A5F9D6A9DA35@me.com>
	<4F7B19E2.40807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5651344F-8F92-4D9A-85DF-1EC97FA48E19@me.com>

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Blocking entire IP ranges is not a responsible way to blacklist, since it can - an inevitably does - affect legitimate users.  It's simply lazy, a ham-fisted scorched-earth way to solve a problem that requires more surgical methods.
> 
> In fact, it seems On-Rev.com may be a very good example of how this gets out of hand so easily, since AFAIK their servers aren't on GoDaddy at all, but on SoftLayer:
> 
> <http://on-rev.com/hosting/our-data-center/>
> 
> And even if some accounts were host by GoDaddy, unless those specific servers are used for illegal activity there's no excuse for any responsible blacklisting service to block them.


In the case of secureserver.net, the blacklists don't block on the IP in this case, but on the domain.  That's why you don't have issues with your OnRev site, but only with mail sent FROM the site.  The idea is to cause enough pain for GoDaddy to get something done.  I don't like it or agree with it, but I can see the logic?

As for GoDaddy otherwise, we've had a very successful run with them for over 5 years since we moved to the VPS structure.  It's great to be in complete control of our server with none of the maintenance headaches.  We even run a BRU Server client on the VPS and backup everything as part of our normal, daily corporate backups.

Tim




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr  3 12:08:15 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:08:15 -0700
Subject: OT: mails bouncing back?
In-Reply-To: <4F7B19E2.40807@fourthworld.com>
References: <2570A6C6-1F5B-4B0B-BFBE-A5F9D6A9DA35@me.com>
	<4F7B19E2.40807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kRYFdBQXgGTW__hoaJs2ZezR2qC9TYpUVx4aaeNnRhcg@mail.gmail.com>

What Richard said!

However, it's ironic that I became aware of Livecode through one of these
blacklistsing incidents.  I was a memebre of a forum for one of the
blacklisting sites and Heather put a post on there becaue the RunRev
serevers were blacklisted there too.  We exchanged emails about the
problem, I noticed the product and bought it.  So sometimes, there really
are silver linings!

Pete

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Tim Jones wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> I've had domains caught up with sloppy blacklisting schemes myself.
> >>
> >> It's not a problem with RunRev, or their host, but with the lazy
> >> nature of a few blacklisting systems.
> >
> > Actually, in this case, it is their host.  GoDaddy needs to tighten
> > up their "secureserver.net" environment to eliminate the spamming
> > that occurs.  Their servers are high on the list of even the most
> > legitimate blacklist maintainers (Barracuda, for instance).
>
> I'm no fan of GoDaddy so it wouldn't surprise me if they've been willing
> to turn a blind eye to illegal activity to maintain that income until
> they're absolutely forced to do the right thing.
>
> They wouldn't be alone on this:  a few years ago it was well known that
> some 30% of global spam was originating from three regions in Florida, but
> neither the feds nor the downstream providers did anything to enforce the
> law.  Ultimately a few upstream providers got tired of carrying all that
> wasteful traffic and blocked it all in the backbone themselves, only after
> which the feds finally decided to show up for work and make an arrest.  The
> local hosts never explained why they'd never taken care of it themselves,
> and sadly the reprieve was short-lived as that traffic eventually moved to
> the Ukraine, where it flourishes in an apparently lawless environment today.
>
> But back on topic:
>
> Blocking entire IP ranges is not a responsible way to blacklist, since it
> can - an inevitably does - affect legitimate users.  It's simply lazy, a
> ham-fisted scorched-earth way to solve a problem that requires more
> surgical methods.
>
> In fact, it seems On-Rev.com may be a very good example of how this gets
> out of hand so easily, since AFAIK their servers aren't on GoDaddy at all,
> but on SoftLayer:
>
> <http://on-rev.com/hosting/**our-data-center/<http://on-rev.com/hosting/our-data-center/>
> >
>
> And even if some accounts were host by GoDaddy, unless those specific
> servers are used for illegal activity there's no excuse for any responsible
> blacklisting service to block them.
>
> Spam is indeed a serious problem, but when attempts to stop it shut down
> legitimate businesses the "cure" is every bit as bad as the problem itself,
> arguably worse.
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irv<http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv>
>
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>


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr  3 12:40:01 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:40:01 -0500
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <B28412BB-89CA-4568-A7E9-231D220F2CAE@me.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B28412BB-89CA-4568-A7E9-231D220F2CAE@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B27E1.4020007@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/3/12 9:24 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
> Jacque,
>
> After you update to Lion, you can install Parallels 7 and then build
> a Snow Leopard VM.  This is what I do on my personal Mac Pro (I also
> have Leopard and Tiger, as well as multiple Windows and Linux
> versions).

I'm going to keep Snow Leopard on my old MacBook. I already have 
Parallels and I hadn't thought of that approach, but it's a good idea 
and I may do that as well.

>
> Another option would be to buy a firewire external HD and install
> Lion onto that and then dual boot your system (this is what I do with
> two of our iMacs.

Last week I went through an amazing number of hoops to do that and made 
a partition on an external drive intending to dual-boot. But it occured 
to me that I'd need to reset Time Machine, duplicate all my settings, 
etc. and in the long run I decided not to.

I'm going to push the button today. Really.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 12:42:42 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena
In-Reply-To: <574CA656-1353-44F2-B195-E9F8F7EACB15@verizon.net>
References: <4F7B08E3.8080201@fourthworld.com>
	<574CA656-1353-44F2-B195-E9F8F7EACB15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8CEDFCFEC2D05CC-1918-25D1@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com>

Colin.


I would be glad to do this again with you. Are there enough people around to make it happen? Kate is still here.


Wasn't there a map that showed the locations of forum or list members?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2012 11:37 am
Subject: Re: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena


Craig, should we NYC LiveCode meetups? The Olde Town miss us!



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From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 12:45:34 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:45:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena
In-Reply-To: <4F7B08E3.8080201@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F7B08E3.8080201@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8CEDFD052350089-1918-262A@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com>

Richard.


Colin and I used to run the HC user group in NYC back in the pleistocene. He thinks we might start an LC group. How many people show up for yours, on average?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2012 10:31 am
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena


The first Thursday of each month the SoCal LiveCode User Group meets at 
Burger Continental in Pasadena at 7 PM - details here:
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11291>

Bring your questions, cool algos or projects you've been working on, and 
an appetite for BC's excellent burgers and Middle Eastern food. :)

See ya' there -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 12:54:01 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:54:01 -0700
Subject: LiveCode User Group: April 5, Pasadena
In-Reply-To: <8CEDFD052350089-1918-262A@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEDFD052350089-1918-262A@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B2B29.9070705@fourthworld.com>

dunbarx wrote:

 > Colin and I used to run the HC user group in NYC back in the
 > pleistocene. He thinks we might start an LC group. How many
 > people show up for yours, on average?

In the olden days we had less frequent meetings in a more central 
location which usually turned up between 8 and 12 people.

But those were hard to organize and the group went into a haitus for a 
while, and to get back on track we now have more regular monthly 
meetings in a location that's easy for regulars to get to but doesn't 
have the freeway access so needed in LA LA land.  So now we get between 
6 and 8, sometimes more, and while it's a smaller group it also lends 
itself very well to good discussion.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr  3 13:11:25 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:11:25 -0700
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7B102E.5060102@warrensweb.us>
References: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com> <4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B102E.5060102@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <44449114140.20120403101125@ahsoftware.net>

Warren-

Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 7:58:54 AM, you wrote:

> FWIW, I never had any trouble running Livecode under Mint 9 and 10, both
> 64 bit with compatibility libs installed, and 32 bit native, and have
> run it without any problems under openSUSE 11.4 and, currently, 12.1, 64
> bit with 32 bit libs installed.

(taking the middle road here) I had a *lot* of trouble running the
linux build in the past, but it settled down with recent builds, got
faster and more responsive and I now use it every day.

Still would be nice to have feature parity and not cost *more* than
the other platforms. That's just insulting.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr  3 13:15:31 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:15:31 -0700
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
	<CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <179449359968.20120403101531@ahsoftware.net>

Mike-

Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 7:31:37 AM, you wrote:

> The worst part is
> 5) No response to bug reports from the team.

I almost *always* get responses to bug reports. They may not get acted
on right away (or ever), but at least I know that someone has noticed
and one of confirmed, couldn't reproduce, or needs more info.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 13:24:06 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:24:06 +0300
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B3236.7020906@gmail.com>

I have had nothing but 2 small "grunts" with my experience with Livecode 4.5
on Ubuntu, ZevenOS, Mint and various other Debian derivatives.

1. The 'hole' created by Livecode's dependency on Quicktime.

2. Characters in a Unicode-enabled textfield aren't visible (this is 
quite a big grunt in my case).

I should also point out that I have been making and running standalones 
using
version 2.2.1 which was given away free by Novell in my EFL school for some
7 years with not a single glitch. All of those standalones are deployed 
on Pentium 4's
currently running Ubuntu 11.04, and were, in the past, deployed on 
Pentium 3's running
Ubuntu 5.10.

Quite a few of these programs have leveraged MP3 files stored in a 
designated folder in
the Home directory using explicit paths.

I have created some groovy effects using animated GIF images.

Standalones created in the new (as opposed to the "new-new", i.e. post 
5.5) format
using LC 4.5 won't run on boxes running Ubuntu 5.10; in cases where I 
needed to run standalones
on machines running Ubuntu <8.04 developed using LC 4.5 I have had to 
save the source stacks
in 'legacy' format and build from them with RR 2.2.1.

However, all my standalones have been deployed for a reason which 
Runtime Revolution
(the company) are not very good at addressing: educational content delivery
and reinforcement; so, as to reaching out onto the internet, 
communicating with a server,
and so on, I really cannot say anything.

Certainly, as far as I have used LC in the context of my EFL school I 
have nothing but
the highest praise.

My main grunt is with my desire to deploy a version of my Devawriter Pro 
un Linux;
but have not worked out how to get Unicode glyphs to show up properly in 
Unicode-enabled
textfields.

-------------------------

I have carefully qualified that all my work with LC+Linux has been with 
Debian derivatives,
for the very simple reason that that is the truth; so I really wouldn't 
want my findings being
thought of as applicable to other types of Linux.

------------------------

Of course the pricing descrepancy is disgraceful. Of course this can 
also act as a self-fulfilling
prophecy; as fewer people buy the LC package for Linux fewer resources 
will be devoted to developing it;
but as the Linux package is effectively twice as expensive as the Mac & 
Win ones, fewer people
are likely to buy it.

Richmond Mathewson.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 13:25:18 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:25:18 +0300
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7B102E.5060102@warrensweb.us>
References: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com> <4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B102E.5060102@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <4F7B327E.1040109@gmail.com>

On 04/03/2012 05:58 PM, Warren Samples wrote:
>
> FWIW, I never had any trouble running Livecode under Mint 9 and 10, 
> both 64 bit with compatibility libs installed, and 32 bit native, and 
> have run it without any problems under openSUSE 11.4 and, currently, 
> 12.1, 64 bit with 32 bit libs installed.
>
> Warren
>

That's good to hear . . .  :)



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 13:26:32 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:26:32 +0300
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7B15D0.6080401@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B15D0.6080401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B32C8.4060003@gmail.com>


>
> Would you mind posting the RQCC #s here?  I track Linux issues since 
> they affect an ever-greater portion of my work.
>
> Thanks -
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin

Gladly, if you could tell me where "here" is . . .  :)



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 13:28:37 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:28:37 +0300
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <179449359968.20120403101531@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
	<CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<179449359968.20120403101531@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F7B3345.7020703@gmail.com>

On 04/03/2012 08:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Mike-
>
> Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 7:31:37 AM, you wrote:
>
>> The worst part is
>> 5) No response to bug reports from the team.
> I almost *always* get responses to bug reports. They may not get acted
> on right away (or ever), but at least I know that someone has noticed
> and one of confirmed, couldn't reproduce, or needs more info.
>

Personally I keep my bugs to myself; nobody likes a chap who scratches 
in public all that much.

Oops . . . did I get something wrong there?

LOL!



From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Tue Apr  3 13:51:08 2012
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:51:08 +0200
Subject: [ANN] DataTree 2.0 Beta 1
Message-ID: <000001cd11c2$5b7256c0$12570440$@laposte.net>

Dear LiveCode users,

 

I am pleased to announce you the release of DataTree 2.0 Beta 1.

 

DataTree 2.0 has a lot of new exciting features:

- Dramatic performance improvements

- Checkboxes

- Drag and drop

- Badges (eg. Number of unread mails)

- Tooltips

- Improved scrolling

- Windows 7/MacOS X 10.6 themes.

- And many more...

 

You can now try DataTree 2.0 Beta 1 by downloading it at:

URL:  <http://www.nativesoft.net/downloads/NativeSoft_Web_Installer.rev>
http://www.nativesoft.net/downloads/NativeSoft_Web_Installer.rev

 

-> How to upgrade from DataTree 1.x:

 

Please save a copy of your stacks before doing anything, then remove the
substack "Data Tree Library" from your application.

 

Please read the section "Putting the library into use" of the DataTree 2.0
user manual in order to get started quickly.

 

 

-> Note for NativeDoc 2.0 users:

 

You have to update NativeDoc to version 2.0.1 with the NativeSoft Web 

Installer in order to use  DataTree 2.0 Beta.

 

 

-> Bug reports

 

As a user component must be bug-free, this is why there is this beta.

 

Please try it with your applications and if you find any bugs please 

report them to:

NativeSoft Quality Center:  <http://quality.nativesoft.net>
http://quality.nativesoft.net

 

Best Regards,

 

Damien Girard

NativeSoft France | LiveCode solutions.

 

 <http://www.nativesoft.fr/> www.nativesoft.fr

 



From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Apr  3 13:55:32 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:55:32 -0500
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <44449114140.20120403101125@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F783ADB.40806@gmail.com> <4F7899AE.80806@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B102E.5060102@warrensweb.us>
	<44449114140.20120403101125@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F7B3994.4010201@warrensweb.us>

On 04/03/2012 12:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Still would be nice to have feature parity and not cost*more*  than
> the other platforms. That's just insulting.
>
> -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net


:) I agree with this entirely.

I haven't been running Livecode under Linux for all that long, no 
earlier than v4.(something), but I just felt that Bernard's post could 
be unnecessarily discouraging to those who might otherwise give it a 
try. My motive for posting was to provide some counterbalance to that. 
Not to dismiss the problems and inconvenience caused by the known issues 
and relatively lacking features, it does work and works mostly well (in 
all *my* experience), within the limitations imposed by these missing 
features and known issues.

Warren



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr  3 13:55:27 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:55:27 -0400
Subject: near feature parity
In-Reply-To: <4F7B3345.7020703@gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-F6d=nw7Ge9nDrx6SofG-0YefHTMU8a5F+99-fHTJALAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7B0822.4070308@fourthworld.com>
	<CADCoycMAKWsM7EHxmX656T0dYB5qBC8qSkABr6YKNNEnufdmTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<179449359968.20120403101531@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F7B3345.7020703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNW=3dysywOybovOpRTOYB6R2P7z4NKRysBTt2VBXu__Q@mail.gmail.com>

Let me correct that on "no response".  That isn't really correct.  It's
more like "no action".  I do get responses most of the time, generally
confirming what I'm seeing.  It's the next step - putting things on the
priority list that is more the problem.


I agree that the priority should be more on the mobile platforms, and I
hope that is the plan.  I probably did not say strongly enough that I
appreciate having any sort of Linux option.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr  3 14:20:22 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:20:22 -0700
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
Message-ID: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Looks like more going on 04/04 than Fourth World's anniversary...

http://www.ironsky.net

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr  3 14:24:13 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:24:13 -0700
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <114453482187.20120403112413@ahsoftware.net>

Oops. Ignore this. Sent it to the list by accident.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr  3 14:24:13 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:24:13 -0700
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F7B404D.9000806@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Looks like more going on 04/04 than Fourth World's anniversary...
>
> http://www.ironsky.net

Saving the solar system from Nazi invasion is just another day's work 
here at Fourth World....

:)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Apr  3 14:34:56 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:34:56 -0700
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <114453482187.20120403112413@ahsoftware.net>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
	<114453482187.20120403112413@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <450F2BFC-12BD-435F-B129-1B6008AEC9B1@twft.com>

Hey, I wrote a World Destruction stack for these guys once! Was that a bad thing?

Bob


On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Oops. Ignore this. Sent it to the list by accident.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 14:36:26 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:36:26 +0300
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F7B432A.8030802@gmail.com>

On 04/03/2012 09:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richard-
>
> Looks like more going on 04/04 than Fourth World's anniversary...
>
> http://www.ironsky.net
>

Looks plain juvenile, and very little else; cowboy Sarah Palin
versus Injun Nazis.

Count me out.



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Apr  3 14:50:25 2012
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:50:25 -0700
Subject: getProp syntax query
In-Reply-To: <4F7B1491.7070908@fourthworld.com>
References: <54AADF8C-93C0-44C5-97C6-17952627C38E@mac.com>
	<4F7B1491.7070908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <26BCCF66-1DDF-465B-B1DE-554967483E28@canelasoftware.com>

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> ...Mark came through on his end of the bargain wonderfully, providing a sample function that worked on the first level of array keys, which was enough for me to expand it to be able extract the data from any key regardless of depth.
> 
> The article explaining it all is in progress now and close to done.  I expect to be able to post it to LiveCode Journal by Saturday.
> 
> Here's a tantalizing tidbit to whet your appetite:
> 
> The sample stack I wrote for this creates a three-dimensional array with 100 items in each dimension, resulting in an arrayEncoded file with 1 million elements that's about 20 MBs on disk.
> 
> The function I made from Mark's example code can extract the data from any element in that file in about 3 to 5 milliseconds.
> 
> Hint:  the function makes heavy use of the binaryDecode function and the seek command, both of which are explained in depth in the article and which you may find very valuable for a wide variety of uses.  The seek command is a god for rapidly traversing large files easily.
> 
> I look forward to sharing this with you ASAP -


Cool stuff.  Can't wait to read your article. 


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com





From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr  3 14:58:37 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:58:37 -0400
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <4F7B404D.9000806@fourthworld.com>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F7B404D.9000806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6F70F7C5-8715-4750-AF34-EEBFE3C9DFAA@verizon.net>

Use the 4s, Mark.


On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>> Looks like more going on 04/04 than Fourth World's anniversary...
>> 
>> http://www.ironsky.net
> 
> Saving the solar system from Nazi invasion is just another day's work here at Fourth World....



From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 15:07:31 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:07:31 -0700
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <6F70F7C5-8715-4750-AF34-EEBFE3C9DFAA@verizon.net>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F7B404D.9000806@fourthworld.com>
	<6F70F7C5-8715-4750-AF34-EEBFE3C9DFAA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BE4A8E7F-3FF5-437B-BC1B-A3CFCF2B386A@me.com>

But ? be careful of the dark side of the 4s.

(we're not really doing this, are we?)

On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Use the 4s, Mark.
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>>> Looks like more going on 04/04 than Fourth World's anniversary...
>>> 
>>> http://www.ironsky.net
>> 
>> Saving the solar system from Nazi invasion is just another day's work here at Fourth World....



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr  3 15:13:58 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:13:58 -0500
Subject: Iron Sky 04/04
In-Reply-To: <6F70F7C5-8715-4750-AF34-EEBFE3C9DFAA@verizon.net>
References: <139453251531.20120403112022@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F7B404D.9000806@fourthworld.com>
	<6F70F7C5-8715-4750-AF34-EEBFE3C9DFAA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F7B4BF6.5040902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/3/12 1:58 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> Use the 4s, Mark.

Ewww.... :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr  3 15:14:45 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:14:45 -0500
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <9DA1AED9-E4E5-4513-90F0-49C3C543672D@mac.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9DA1AED9-E4E5-4513-90F0-49C3C543672D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/3/12 6:43 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> "Come on in, the waters fine."

I did it. I am speaking to you from the Lion's den.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr  3 15:24:23 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:24:23 -0700
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9DA1AED9-E4E5-4513-90F0-49C3C543672D@mac.com>
	<4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5E8BEAC1-7410-484B-9B95-E6977C58C62C@me.com>

Next purchase - Magic Track Pad!

Tim

On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/3/12 6:43 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> "Come on in, the waters fine."
> 
> I did it. I am speaking to you from the Lion's den.





From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Apr  3 15:39:25 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:39:25 -0400
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <5E8BEAC1-7410-484B-9B95-E6977C58C62C@me.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>	<9DA1AED9-E4E5-4513-90F0-49C3C543672D@mac.com>	<4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5E8BEAC1-7410-484B-9B95-E6977C58C62C@me.com>
Message-ID: <010b01cd11d1$7a6d4170$6f47c450$@net>

Thanks for the info you all!!!! I'm going into the den. 

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:24 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK

Next purchase - Magic Track Pad!

Tim

On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/3/12 6:43 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> "Come on in, the waters fine."
> 
> I did it. I am speaking to you from the Lion's den.



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr  3 15:42:37 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:42:37 -0500
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <5E8BEAC1-7410-484B-9B95-E6977C58C62C@me.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1333426454558-4527765.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F7A841A.5070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9DA1AED9-E4E5-4513-90F0-49C3C543672D@mac.com>
	<4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5E8BEAC1-7410-484B-9B95-E6977C58C62C@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F7B52AD.2000200@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/3/12 2:24 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
> Next purchase - Magic Track Pad!

Got it already, but my old mouse is more precise.

It put a lot of ugly junk in my dock.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 15:50:26 2012
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:50:26 +0100
Subject: Printing anomoly between pdf and printed output
Message-ID: <CAM19O3wJBtX2QZ62zntXpprZhTcvfaqYvEV4Cz7uh+Wru_XCOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have a stack which analyses data and displays the results in two simple
table fields. These are placed on a hidden card 575w x 800h for printing to
A4 paper or pdf. These table fields are locked and have both vertical and
horizontal lines showing.

Everything works as it should except that table fields are different on the
printed output and the pdf. The pdf is very accurate however the printed
table has extra vertical lines on both the extreme left and right of the
table. It's as if the table now has a column to the left of my first column
(which is partially printed) and an extra very narrow column on the extreme
right.

I have tried printing with the table 'ungrouped', I've tried turning the
lines on and off to see if this reset makes any difference but no change.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Its really more of an annoyance than
anything else as both outputs are perfectly useable. I would just like to
know why I get these artefacts and what I can do, if anything, to remove
them

Thanks.
-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 22:24:18 2012
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:24:18 +0800
Subject: Getting Text from another open application window
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfH+Mq_3UjiRXx0gvgsG7MDGqO4ATDNO4XaM3d9br-EzRZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <394892401.510117.1327339701827.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com>
	<CAFmQfHLYZHX0n4Pfnriff3co24LVf_KpkC77v_2+SZFvN4FaEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01ccda0a$80f1f350$82d5d9f0$@tesco.net>
	<CAFmQfH+Mq_3UjiRXx0gvgsG7MDGqO4ATDNO4XaM3d9br-EzRZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <698F70AF-F530-4F1F-AB9C-9D287D09DDFD@gmail.com>

Sorry for the delayed reply, just catching up with my mail. It is possible to get text from a window displayed by another applications under Windows as long as the application is using the standard Windows GUI APIs to display data. Doing so requires making calls to the Windows System API so I believe would require a LiveCode external to be written to wrap the Windows System API calls.

Regards

Peter

On 24 Jan 2012, at 06:41, stephen barncard wrote:

> I don't think any application can do that without an API.
> 
> On 23 January 2012 12:06, Camm <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
> 
>> It a Windows based app.
>> The machine is standalone and has no external data connections.
>> It could be possible via the SDK , but that would mean writing externals.
>> Are we saying that livecode cannot get text from other displayed window ?
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Camm
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Wed Apr  4 00:50:15 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
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J. Landman Gay wrote
> 
> 
> I did it. I am speaking to you from the Lion's den.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque@
> 


To the sound of applause heard in the background :)

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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Wed Apr  4 00:50:16 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:50:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of iOS 5.0 SDK
In-Reply-To: <4F7B4C25.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1333332546741-4524976.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1333333690537-4525009.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4F791A01.2020601@hyperactivesw.com>
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J. Landman Gay wrote
> 
> 
> I did it. I am speaking to you from the Lion's den.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque@
> 


To the sound of applause heard in the background :)

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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 05:59:48 2012
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:59:48 +0200
Subject: Visual effect push left broken in LC 5.5 GM3?
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn7xPRw-pJ4TuHss1q9w41-H8rVZCNoJ+Edy7u3_yPz9MA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I am testing my next iOS app on my iPad and I am noticing a strange thing.
'Visual effect push left' shows the effect then stops and shows the
next card (the card doesn't slide in).
I just use:
on mouseup
visual effect push left
go cd "choice"
end mouse up

The code is on a grouped image and field.
I copied the code to a new button but the same thing happens.
On another image I use: 'visual effect push right' and that works fine.
Even more strange is that on another card the same code (visual effect
push left) works just fine on a transparent button.

I am using LC 5.5 GM3 en my iPad is on iOS 5.1 That stack was earlier
made with LC 5.02 and the effect was fine on other apps.
The iPad Simulator 5.1 shows the same thing.

Is this a bug? Or is this due to the new field?
Anyone else having the same thing?


greetings,

William



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Apr  4 06:50:55 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:50:55 +0100
Subject: Visual effect push left broken in LC 5.5 GM3?
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn7xPRw-pJ4TuHss1q9w41-H8rVZCNoJ+Edy7u3_yPz9MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn7xPRw-pJ4TuHss1q9w41-H8rVZCNoJ+Edy7u3_yPz9MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W146DE646DD0469F167AE75ED320@phx.gbl>



      William ...

try something like this... have a look at 'lock screen' and 'visual effects' in the dictionary, I can't remember if this was in the iOS release notes as well, but the syntax has changed. This is fine for me in 5.5...

      lock screen for visual effect 
      go next card 
      unlock screen with push left very fast

Dixie


> I am testing my next iOS app on my iPad and I am noticing a strange thing.
> 'Visual effect push left' shows the effect then stops and shows the
> next card (the card doesn't slide in).
> I just use:
> on mouseup
> visual effect push left
> go cd "choice"
> end mouse up
> 
> The code is on a grouped image and field.
> I copied the code to a new button but the same thing happens.
> On another image I use: 'visual effect push right' and that works fine.
> Even more strange is that on another card the same code (visual effect
> push left) works just fine on a transparent button.
> 
> I am using LC 5.5 GM3 en my iPad is on iOS 5.1 That stack was earlier
> made with LC 5.02 and the effect was fine on other apps.
> The iPad Simulator 5.1 shows the same thing.
> 
> Is this a bug? Or is this due to the new field?
> Anyone else having the same thing?
> 
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William
> 
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 07:46:05 2012
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:46:05 +0200
Subject: Visual effect push left broken in LC 5.5 GM3?
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W146DE646DD0469F167AE75ED320@phx.gbl>
References: <CAHFYGn7xPRw-pJ4TuHss1q9w41-H8rVZCNoJ+Edy7u3_yPz9MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W146DE646DD0469F167AE75ED320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn46RCQYZnJFJaZvfNJDujHSqmmrA+unDb7HzWuOTbV18Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

Thanks for your suggestion.
It works now!

greetings,

William



2012/4/4 John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
>
> ? ? ?William ...
>
> try something like this... have a look at 'lock screen' and 'visual effects' in the dictionary, I can't remember if this was in the iOS release notes as well, but the syntax has changed. This is fine for me in 5.5...
>
> ? ? ?lock screen for visual effect
> ? ? ?go next card
> ? ? ?unlock screen with push left very fast
>
> Dixie
>
>
>> I am testing my next iOS app on my iPad and I am noticing a strange thing.
>> 'Visual effect push left' shows the effect then stops and shows the
>> next card (the card doesn't slide in).
>> I just use:
>> on mouseup
>> visual effect push left
>> go cd "choice"
>> end mouse up
>>
>> The code is on a grouped image and field.
>> I copied the code to a new button but the same thing happens.
>> On another image I use: 'visual effect push right' and that works fine.
>> Even more strange is that on another card the same code (visual effect
>> push left) works just fine on a transparent button.
>>
>> I am using LC 5.5 GM3 en my iPad is on iOS 5.1 That stack was earlier
>> made with LC 5.02 and the effect was fine on other apps.
>> The iPad Simulator 5.1 shows the same thing.
>>
>> Is this a bug? Or is this due to the new field?
>> Anyone else having the same thing?
>>
>>
>> greetings,
>>
>> William
>>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Apr  4 08:21:13 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:21:13 +0200
Subject: LC 5.5 stability?
Message-ID: <E7A58E39-321B-434D-8E61-2041011CC5B9@mac.com>

I am getting lots of hangs and crashes while trying to develop an iOS app on my Mac (with Lion 10.7.3). The version of LC 5.5 is 1479. The hangs seem to be when I do stuff in the IDE, and the crashes when I run my own scripts. One crash was caused by an attempt to set the layer of a background on a card other than 'this' card, which may be illegal (why?) but shouldn't have caused a crash.

I wonder if anyone else is having this experience, or whether it's just something in my setup. If others report similar experiences, I will try to get a couple of recipes to send to RR Support.

Graham



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 10:35:21 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:35:21 +0300
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
Message-ID: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com>

I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder 
whether it
is worth the investment of learning a new programming language. Still, 
it is FREE:

http://tigabyte.com/

and worth a look (more than Danton's head, and less bloody).



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Apr  4 11:27:29 2012
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:27:29 -0700
Subject: LC 5.5 stability?
In-Reply-To: <E7A58E39-321B-434D-8E61-2041011CC5B9@mac.com>
References: <E7A58E39-321B-434D-8E61-2041011CC5B9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA0A88AD-8DAB-4318-B5FB-3AF64215A403@canelasoftware.com>

On Apr 4, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I am getting lots of hangs and crashes while trying to develop an iOS app on my Mac (with Lion 10.7.3). The version of LC 5.5 is 1479. The hangs seem to be when I do stuff in the IDE, and the crashes when I run my own scripts. One crash was caused by an attempt to set the layer of a background on a card other than 'this' card, which may be illegal (why?) but shouldn't have caused a crash.
> 
> I wonder if anyone else is having this experience, or whether it's just something in my setup. If others report similar experiences, I will try to get a couple of recipes to send to RR Support.

Hi Graham,

I am seeing a lot of strange slow downs as well.  I too am trying to come up with a good recipe to demonstrate the issue.  It seems very random at the moment.  I get them most often when I save and then try to access a LC menu item.  

If I let it sit for up to a minute, LC usually recovers and works until the next time it happens.  I have tried turning off all my plugins to see if that helps.  The jury is still out on that one.  


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com




From roger at consensii.com  Wed Apr  4 11:29:31 2012
From: roger at consensii.com (Roger B. Marks)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:29:31 -0600
Subject: alternative libURL functionality on Server
Message-ID: <CA07BD05-4156-47CD-92CE-29E91462EEBE@consensii.com>

Back in January, I asked LiveCode why I can't get the libURL library to function on the Server, even though the documentation says that it is supported. The answer was that the documentation needs to be corrected to show that libURL library is not supported on the Server. [I'm withholding comment on how I feel about this.]

The key current implication for me is that I can't find a way to have the server retrieve data from another server that places cookies.

I'm wondering, ignorantly, how I might get around this problem. One naive idea is to build a functional LiveCode Linux standalone, put it on On-Rev, and somehow get the Server script to call the standalone. But I really have no idea whether that's possible or how to go about it. Does it make any sense? Is there another way?

Thanks,

Roger


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 11:42:21 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:42:21 +0300
Subject: alternative libURL functionality on Server
In-Reply-To: <CA07BD05-4156-47CD-92CE-29E91462EEBE@consensii.com>
References: <CA07BD05-4156-47CD-92CE-29E91462EEBE@consensii.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C6BDD.4060705@gmail.com>

"the documentation needs to be corrected"

All over the place . . .

While we are talking about feature parity, price parity and so forth, 
how about
selling a properly documented product?




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 11:47:40 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:47:40 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
Message-ID: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>

"Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software 
development tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, 
stand-alone, native applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."

http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/

I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?

I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr  4 11:50:23 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:50:23 -0400
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>

LC isn't really OO.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Apr  4 11:53:01 2012
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:53:01 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABE4F1AF-59C6-4C50-8F3E-56A8A64C8C0B@numericable.com>

On the French site there is not the term "only" (le "seul" environnement)...

Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:47, Richmond a ?crit :

> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
> 
> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
> 
> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
> 
> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 11:54:26 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:54:26 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C6EB2.9070801@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> LC isn't really OO.
>

Well, I, for one, could never quite work out what is the difference 
between Object-Based (LC ?)
and Object-Oriented (RB).

Would be most grateful if you could tell me.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 11:56:02 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:56:02 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <ABE4F1AF-59C6-4C50-8F3E-56A8A64C8C0B@numericable.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<ABE4F1AF-59C6-4C50-8F3E-56A8A64C8C0B@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 06:53 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
> On the French site there is not the term "only" (le "seul" environnement)...

Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences 
between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
that we don't know . . .  :)

>
> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:47, Richmond a ?crit :
>
>> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
>>
>> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
>>
>> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
>>
>> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?
>>
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From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr  4 11:58:51 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:58:51 -0700
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64E22FE2-A0B8-411D-8BD2-78122680CD78@me.com>

On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Richmond wrote:

> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
> 
> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
> 
> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
> 
> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?

Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true claim as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms (web is another story).

I use both for very different purposes, but aside from very custom UIs, a LC app versus a RS app reveals the significant work that the RS team have put into their frameworks and what's lacking in LC.

Just look at the Linux discussion of late as an example; there's a huge disparity between Linux and the Windows/Mac options.  We have an enterprise app that we wrote in RS that runs with a proper native look and feel on all three platforms.  When I tried to do something similar using LC, the results were less than attractive.

One big issue for us is the lack of an interactive / asynchronous shell class.  For now, when you execute something in a shell in LC, your app blocks until the shelled process returns.  This makes writing wrappers for long running background process much more work than it should be in LC.

I've discussed this with the LC team and while 5.5 gets us closer, they're not there yet IMO.

Tim




From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr  4 11:59:26 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:59:26 -0700
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<ABE4F1AF-59C6-4C50-8F3E-56A8A64C8C0B@numericable.com>
	<4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CC28877-B9C4-4DE6-B0A7-BCCE47934118@me.com>

On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 06:53 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
>> On the French site there is not the term "only" (le "seul" environnement)...
> 
> Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
> that we don't know . . .  :)

The RS team have French team members who catch that stuff :-)

Tim




From ken at kencorey.com  Wed Apr  4 11:59:59 2012
From: ken at kencorey.com (Ken Corey)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:59:59 +0100
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6EB2.9070801@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7C6EB2.9070801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C6FFF.6040601@kencorey.com>

On 04/04/2012 16:54, Richmond wrote:
> On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> LC isn't really OO.
>>
>
> Well, I, for one, could never quite work out what is the difference
> between Object-Based (LC ?)
> and Object-Oriented (RB).
>
> Would be most grateful if you could tell me.

I'd expect RB would bring out a computer language guru who'd rabbit on 
about LC not having "proper" inheritance, and class hierarchies.

Nevermind that you can usually get what you want done with LC.

This is all marketing and seeing just how high up a tree one can pee.

Nothing worth talking about here.  Move along.

-Ken



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Apr  4 12:01:38 2012
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:01:38 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<ABE4F1AF-59C6-4C50-8F3E-56A8A64C8C0B@numericable.com>
	<4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E912B78-3108-4D92-BDA0-265ADD5F1253@numericable.com>


Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:56, Richmond a ?crit :

> Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
> that we don't know . . .  :)

I personally know several !
;-)

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 12:02:45 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:02:45 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C70A5.60609@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> LC isn't really OO.
>

OK: so to Wikipedia:

Object-based programming:
"A somehow limited version of object-oriented programming 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming>, where one or 
more of the following restrictions applies:

"(a) There is no implicit inheritance 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_%28object-oriented_programming%29>, 


"(b) there is no polymorphism 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphism_%28computer_science%29>,

"(c) only a very reduced subset of the available values are objects 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_%28programming%29> (typically the 
GUI components)."

I wonder in which of the 3 Livecode differs from an Object-Oriented 
language?


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Apr  4 12:04:53 2012
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:04:53 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <64E22FE2-A0B8-411D-8BD2-78122680CD78@me.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<64E22FE2-A0B8-411D-8BD2-78122680CD78@me.com>
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Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:58, Tim Jones a ?crit :

> Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true claim as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms (web is another story).

Unfortunately, it is true...


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 12:05:46 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:05:46 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <0E912B78-3108-4D92-BDA0-265ADD5F1253@numericable.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<ABE4F1AF-59C6-4C50-8F3E-56A8A64C8C0B@numericable.com>
	<4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
	<0E912B78-3108-4D92-BDA0-265ADD5F1253@numericable.com>
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On 04/04/2012 07:01 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:56, Richmond a ?crit :
>
>> Maybe the developers of Real BASIC know something about the differences between the Anglophone world and the Francophone world
>> that we don't know . . .  :)
> I personally know several !
> ;-)

Gallic Egoism for a start . . . avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.

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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  4 12:12:03 2012
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:12:03 -0500
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11104682-7E42-4BDB-9C70-EF90C72D2126@earthlink.net>

Ad writers have no ethics, that's  how :-)
On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Richmond wrote:

> "Real Studio is the only object-oriented, cross-platform software development tool that enables users at all levels to create powerful, stand-alone, native applications for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and the web."
> 
> http://www.realsoftware.com/realstudio/
> 
> I wonder how true this is if one puts RealBASIC head-to-head with Livecode?
> 
> I must say I do wonder how they can use the word 'only' quite so blatantly?
> 
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Apr  4 12:15:02 2012
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:15:02 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C715A.2080601@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
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	<4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
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Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 18:05, Richmond a ?crit :

> Gallic Egoism for a start . . . avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.

Gauls and Scots are not they cousins?
;-)




From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 12:24:34 2012
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:24:34 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <B1E608A8-5AF1-4FE6-873F-DFEB8490C620@numericable.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
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>
> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 18:05, Richmond a ?crit :
>
> > Gallic Egoism for a start . . .
>          avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.
>

--------------------------------^^^^^-------------

Wings or Garlic ?

All the best

Thierry


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 12:31:06 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:31:06 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <B1E608A8-5AF1-4FE6-873F-DFEB8490C620@numericable.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
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	<B1E608A8-5AF1-4FE6-873F-DFEB8490C620@numericable.com>
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On 04/04/2012 07:15 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 18:05, Richmond a ?crit :
>
>> Gallic Egoism for a start . . . avec beaucoup d'aille . . . . LOL.
> Gauls and Scots are not they cousins?
> ;-)
>

The Old Alliance!

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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Apr  4 12:31:33 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:31:33 +0200
Subject: iOS - picking from a scrolling list
Message-ID: <74DD9AD1-58E8-46AB-ACA9-E7476D0C3824@mac.com>

In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.

I have looked at the latest iOS notes for LC5.5 (Scroller Control - UIScrollView) and I can't understand how the textual list (like an ordinary LC scrolling field) would come in to the scroller; I'm also just beginning to use MobGUI to introduce some native controls, and that has a scroller object too. It is  complex and consists of a group into which it is possible to introduce such an LC field, but in that case it is sensitive to touches, but not to dragging/scrolling - I tried setting the parameter 'delay touches' but it didn't seem to change anything. 

Obviously I have missed some underlying concept here. The LC iOS doc says that a scroller isn't a container for other controls, but I don't know what that means. It seems a gnomic pronouncement rather on the lines of "Light is not a thing" or ?Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.? Sounds terrific, but what does it actually mean?

I also tried reading the UIScrollView section of Apple's documentation. It's promising in a way (it mentions the need to do the kind of thing I'm talking about) but it doesn't help me enough to allow me to proceed.

Does anyone know how to do this? I have asked MobGUI support, but I don't know how reactive they are.

TIA

Graham


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Apr  4 12:32:40 2012
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:32:40 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO5U6Jnn9Yn3KzWZApO8r-93nJEsuz1gf9t0bsOmcAa=GQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 18:24, Thierry Douez a ?crit :

> Wings or Garlic ?

Garlic or Gaelic ?
Bonjour Thierry !
;-)

From cmsheffield at me.com  Wed Apr  4 12:42:51 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:42:51 -0600
Subject: iOS - picking from a scrolling list
In-Reply-To: <74DD9AD1-58E8-46AB-ACA9-E7476D0C3824@mac.com>
References: <74DD9AD1-58E8-46AB-ACA9-E7476D0C3824@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4BCBCD66-7337-4474-A66C-13B9F13A2C5D@me.com>

Graham,

Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.

Chris


--
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Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com

On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
> 
> I have looked at the latest iOS notes for LC5.5 (Scroller Control - UIScrollView) and I can't understand how the textual list (like an ordinary LC scrolling field) would come in to the scroller; I'm also just beginning to use MobGUI to introduce some native controls, and that has a scroller object too. It is  complex and consists of a group into which it is possible to introduce such an LC field, but in that case it is sensitive to touches, but not to dragging/scrolling - I tried setting the parameter 'delay touches' but it didn't seem to change anything. 
> 
> Obviously I have missed some underlying concept here. The LC iOS doc says that a scroller isn't a container for other controls, but I don't know what that means. It seems a gnomic pronouncement rather on the lines of "Light is not a thing" or ?Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.? Sounds terrific, but what does it actually mean?
> 
> I also tried reading the UIScrollView section of Apple's documentation. It's promising in a way (it mentions the need to do the kind of thing I'm talking about) but it doesn't help me enough to allow me to proceed.
> 
> Does anyone know how to do this? I have asked MobGUI support, but I don't know how reactive they are.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr  4 12:43:48 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:43:48 -0700
Subject: LC 5.5 stability?
In-Reply-To: <CA0A88AD-8DAB-4318-B5FB-3AF64215A403@canelasoftware.com>
References: <E7A58E39-321B-434D-8E61-2041011CC5B9@mac.com>
	<CA0A88AD-8DAB-4318-B5FB-3AF64215A403@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <526AEC93-79C9-483A-BA93-677020BCB2C1@twft.com>

Also, try suspending and restoring development tools whenever you get weird behavior like that. 

Bob


On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> On Apr 4, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
>> I am getting lots of hangs and crashes while trying to develop an iOS app on my Mac (with Lion 10.7.3). The version of LC 5.5 is 1479. The hangs seem to be when I do stuff in the IDE, and the crashes when I run my own scripts. One crash was caused by an attempt to set the layer of a background on a card other than 'this' card, which may be illegal (why?) but shouldn't have caused a crash.
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone else is having this experience, or whether it's just something in my setup. If others report similar experiences, I will try to get a couple of recipes to send to RR Support.
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> I am seeing a lot of strange slow downs as well.  I too am trying to come up with a good recipe to demonstrate the issue.  It seems very random at the moment.  I get them most often when I save and then try to access a LC menu item.  
> 
> If I let it sit for up to a minute, LC usually recovers and works until the next time it happens.  I have tried turning off all my plugins to see if that helps.  The jury is still out on that one.  
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr  4 13:27:29 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:27:29 -0700
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C70A5.60609@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPkDdoWEkbBKW2CJJSVTA8cNiYZi5znXVj6A5sYUwcNGA@mail.gmail.com>
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My understanding (typically flawed): 

Implicit Inheritance, as in creating an object or instance that is a child of another object, and changes to the parent or children affect the children and instances of the children. LC does no such thing. 

Not sure what polymorphism is, and I don't want to read up on it. 

I am not sure what OO objects there can be that are not GUI objects, unless something like a property or a database can be an object. 

I do see a difference between LC and an Object Oriented environment, as I looked at, but didn't touch Visual Foxpro some years back. I got how it can be very powerful once you set up your objects and inheritances, but there is a lot of groundwork with OO dev that has to be done, and a great deal of planning beforehand if you want to do anything complex. Not so much with LC. 

Bob


On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 06:50 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> LC isn't really OO.
>> 
> 
> OK: so to Wikipedia:
> 
> Object-based programming:
> "A somehow limited version of object-oriented programming <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming>, where one or more of the following restrictions applies:
> 
> "(a) There is no implicit inheritance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_%28object-oriented_programming%29>, 
> 
> "(b) there is no polymorphism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphism_%28computer_science%29>,
> 
> "(c) only a very reduced subset of the available values are objects <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_%28programming%29> (typically the GUI components)."
> 
> I wonder in which of the 3 Livecode differs from an Object-Oriented language?
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From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 13:30:42 2012
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:30:42 +0200
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <5DDC72EE-8097-4CD5-B309-55C13016AACE@numericable.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
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	<4F7C6F12.20206@gmail.com>
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Le 4 avril 2012 18:32, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> a ?crit :

>
> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 18:24, Thierry Douez a ?crit :
>
> > Wings or Garlic ?
>
> Garlic or Gaelic ?
>

Mais c'est bien sur :)

Bonjour Thierry !
>

Ca  Swing toujours a Paris ?   :)

Cordialement,

Thierry


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Apr  4 13:55:15 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:55:15 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
> whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
> language. Still, it is FREE:
>
> http://tigabyte.com/

Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA 
includes:

    You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
    purpose, provides your application's end user with access
    to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
    through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
    framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
    and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
    Agreement.

...and the Tigbyte site says:

    HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
    run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
    high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
    tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
    text processing and graphics.


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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 14:21:03 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:21:03 +0300
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C910F.5070508@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 08:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
>> I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
>> whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
>> language. Still, it is FREE:
>>
>> http://tigabyte.com/
>
> Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA 
> includes:
>
>    You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
>    purpose, provides your application's end user with access
>    to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
>    through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
>    framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
>    and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
>    Agreement.
>
> ...and the Tigbyte site says:
>
>    HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
>    run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
>    high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
>    tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
>    text processing and graphics.
>

Might not be a bad idea to point that out to the Tigabyte chap directly.



From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr  4 14:43:15 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:43:15 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7C910F.5070508@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
	<4F7C910F.5070508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81EDA60E-8D8E-4B0B-A469-B0FC5BA2F0FC@me.com>

On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 08:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
>>> whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
>>> language. Still, it is FREE:
>>> 
>>> http://tigabyte.com/
>> 
>> Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA includes:
>> 
>>   You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
>>   purpose, provides your application's end user with access
>>   to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
>>   through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
>>   framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
>>   and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
>>   Agreement.
>> 
>> ...and the Tigbyte site says:
>> 
>>   HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
>>   run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
>>   high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
>>   tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
>>   text processing and graphics.
>> 
> 
> Might not be a bad idea to point that out to the Tigabyte chap directly.

It looks like they are using an older version of Real Studio that came before that EULA change to create HyperNext.  That's the unfortunate thing about license agreements - while you can create a new agreement that applies to new versions of you product, you can't make that new agreement retroactive to old versions of your product.

I surmise this because they're still building for PPC and pre-OS X platforms.

Tim




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 14:58:31 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:58:31 +0300
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <81EDA60E-8D8E-4B0B-A469-B0FC5BA2F0FC@me.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
	<4F7C910F.5070508@gmail.com>
	<81EDA60E-8D8E-4B0B-A469-B0FC5BA2F0FC@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C99D7.9020405@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 09:43 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 04/04/2012 08:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never quite made my mind up about HyperNext, and really wonder
>>>> whether it is worth the investment of learning a new programming
>>>> language. Still, it is FREE:
>>>>
>>>> http://tigabyte.com/
>>> Curious, given that it seems to be made with RealBASIC and the RB EULA includes:
>>>
>>>    You agree not to create an application that, as its primary
>>>    purpose, provides your application's end user with access
>>>    to RBScript and/or the ability to directly (or indirectly
>>>    through a simple wrapper) call functions in the Realbasic
>>>    framework. Such software creation is strictly prohibited
>>>    and would therefore be a violation of this End User License
>>>    Agreement.
>>>
>>> ...and the Tigbyte site says:
>>>
>>>    HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
>>>    run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
>>>    high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
>>>    tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
>>>    text processing and graphics.
>>>
>> Might not be a bad idea to point that out to the Tigabyte chap directly.
> It looks like they are using an older version of Real Studio that came before that EULA change to create HyperNext.  That's the unfortunate thing about license agreements -

I don't think that is unfortunate at all.

This would be rather like my trying to use 21st century copyright law to 
protect a book written by some relative of mine in the
eighteenth century.

What does interest me is that the HyperNext chap is doing all this for 
nothing (HyperNext is FREE); so, not only is he
getting no revenue for his work, but, arguably, he is directly competing 
with RealBASIC who are losing revenue with
people using his product rather than theirs.

Interesting enough, he mentioned to me that he had had great problems to 
do with getting a Linux port of HyperNext off the ground,
and stated:

"With hindsight I should have kept developing the Pascal version of 
HyperNext"

which seems most odd indeed.

>   while you can create a new agreement that applies to new versions of you product, you can't make that new agreement retroactive to old versions of your product.
>
> I surmise this because they're still building for PPC and pre-OS X platforms.
>
> Tim
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Apr  4 15:00:11 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:00:11 -0700
Subject: Apple/IOS Developer Program Renewal
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJ8_gcPh8WVcBy+dZH5TttbD28OQRtToijsLmLY69C+YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone else here received a *premature* "5 days left to renew your Mac
Developer Program membership" message from Apple? Both my Mac and IOS
memberships have more than two months to go, and expire on June 7. This
seems wrong. And annoying.

sqb

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Apr  4 15:07:51 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:07:51 +0200
Subject: Apple/IOS Developer Program Renewal
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJ8_gcPh8WVcBy+dZH5TttbD28OQRtToijsLmLY69C+YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQfHJ8_gcPh8WVcBy+dZH5TttbD28OQRtToijsLmLY69C+YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F698827-1199-4CEA-83DE-DE3A356DCE29@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi sqb,

I think I get those messages 6 to 8 weeks in advance, but they never say "5 days left" (I checked it).

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On 4 apr 2012, at 21:00, stephen barncard wrote:

> Has anyone else here received a *premature* "5 days left to renew your Mac
> Developer Program membership" message from Apple? Both my Mac and IOS
> memberships have more than two months to go, and expire on June 7. This
> seems wrong. And annoying.
> 
> sqb
> 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 15:08:25 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:08:25 +0300
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <07B0A394-12DA-4C81-859E-07D7D4A7685C@numericable.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<64E22FE2-A0B8-411D-8BD2-78122680CD78@me.com>
	<07B0A394-12DA-4C81-859E-07D7D4A7685C@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <4F7C9C29.40504@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 07:04 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:58, Tim Jones a ?crit :
>
>> Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true claim as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms (web is another story).
> Unfortunately, it is true...

Pardon my naivety, but what, exactly are "native controls"?

Certainly (LC 4.5) buttons and fields look like buttons and fields on 
Mac, Win and Lin to me.




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Apr  4 15:21:33 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:21:33 -0700
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <4F7C9C29.40504@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C6D1C.3090400@gmail.com>
	<64E22FE2-A0B8-411D-8BD2-78122680CD78@me.com>
	<07B0A394-12DA-4C81-859E-07D7D4A7685C@numericable.com>
	<4F7C9C29.40504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKFpuAkJ4dKi7Zfsydxr39SdSaoQDmL4tyWcRDb7+AV3g@mail.gmail.com>

to me: Native means "look and feel that appear on respective OSs, usually
as a binary call to the OS's toolbox or libraries"

obviously one's milage will vary with Linux.

On 4 April 2012 12:08, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 04/04/2012 07:04 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
>
>> Le 4 avr. 2012 ? 17:58, Tim Jones a ?crit :
>>
>>  Unfortunately, aside from LC not being an OO language, it's a very true
>>> claim as LC still does not offer native controls on all three platforms
>>> (web is another story).
>>>
>> Unfortunately, it is true...
>>
>
> Pardon my naivety, but what, exactly are "native controls"?
>
> Certainly (LC 4.5) buttons and fields look like buttons and fields on Mac,
> Win and Lin to me.
>
>
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Apr  4 15:23:34 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:23:34 +0200
Subject: iOS - picking from a scrolling list
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1333558802.28397.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333558802.28397.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8BCD3E61-FDC6-4992-91C1-2C0FE7C81A16@mac.com>

Chris, thanks. I have had a look at this (I did not know about it at all) but it isn't really what I had in mind. I want a long list like a set of names in a notebook, so the style I'm looking for is much more like Apple's Contacts app, which does present such a list and allows one to pick from it, rather than a wheel where one sees very few names at any one time, and it is quite hard to whizz from one end of say a 100-item list to another. I'm pleased to say that I've had a reply from MobGUI and I'll see what that looks like and report back.

Graham

OnWed, 04 Apr 2012 10:42:51 -0600, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:

> 
> Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
>> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
[snip]



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Apr  4 15:34:36 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:34:36 -0700
Subject: [OT] Justified boast?
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHKFpuAkJ4dKi7Zfsydxr39SdSaoQDmL4tyWcRDb7+AV3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQfHKFpuAkJ4dKi7Zfsydxr39SdSaoQDmL4tyWcRDb7+AV3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7CA24C.2040309@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:

> to me: Native means "look and feel that appear on respective OSs, usually
> as a binary call to the OS's toolbox or libraries"
>
> obviously one's milage will vary with Linux.

I think the definition is somewhat subject to personal interpretation.

On Linux, Windows, and OS X, changes in the Appearance control panel 
which can affect controls are reflected in controls rendered in 
LiveCode, so clearly there's at least some dependency on the OS APIs.

But I also see that font metrics and text placement in LiveCode controls 
is sometimes off a pixel or so, at least in tab controls in OS X and few 
other cases.

I suspect the rendering of text for such controls is handled internally 
in the engine, perhaps using the OS to render the control itself and 
then overlaying the text in the control's compositing buffer before 
blitting it to the screen.

In RB, I would imagine that the tool doesn't require developers to use 
only the OS APIs directly, but provides some libraries for common 
behaviors.  Indeed, without such support its usefulness as a 
cross-platform tool would be close to NIL.

So it seems both LiveCode and RealBASIC use a mix of OS APIs and 
vendor-supplied code to allow their developers to build cross-platform 
apps radidly, leaving us with the question:

What is a "native control"?

--
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  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr  4 15:36:39 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:36:39 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7C99D7.9020405@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
	<4F7C910F.5070508@gmail.com>
	<81EDA60E-8D8E-4B0B-A469-B0FC5BA2F0FC@me.com>
	<4F7C99D7.9020405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D4016FD-F7DA-459C-9A62-F538E417CDCF@me.com>

On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Interesting enough, he mentioned to me that he had had great problems to do with getting a Linux port of HyperNext off the ground,
> and stated:
> 
> "With hindsight I should have kept developing the Pascal version of HyperNext"
> 
> which seems most odd indeed.

I suspect that this is because the older version of RS he's using to get the PPC / OS9 compatibility dates back to the 5.0 release days and things on Linux were very fresh and depended on a very archaic (now) version of GTK.

The later versions of RS are much more complete and completely on par with the other platforms.

Tim




From cmsheffield at me.com  Wed Apr  4 15:38:39 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:38:39 -0600
Subject: iOS - picking from a scrolling list
In-Reply-To: <8BCD3E61-FDC6-4992-91C1-2C0FE7C81A16@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333558802.28397.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<8BCD3E61-FDC6-4992-91C1-2C0FE7C81A16@mac.com>
Message-ID: <43CB6A8A-423F-4542-A519-C867E7CC08D2@me.com>

You can change the appearance. So it can be a picker wheel or a scrolling list of values to pick from, much like you described in your initial post. At least on the iPad. Maybe the appearance is always the same on an iPhone/iPod Touch. Not totally sure. Anyway, I have an iPad app where I've used the scrolling list version and it works well. It would be nice if it had some other options available, like being able to set the position or being able to apply text styles.

Chris

--
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Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com

On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Chris, thanks. I have had a look at this (I did not know about it at all) but it isn't really what I had in mind. I want a long list like a set of names in a notebook, so the style I'm looking for is much more like Apple's Contacts app, which does present such a list and allows one to pick from it, rather than a wheel where one sees very few names at any one time, and it is quite hard to whizz from one end of say a 100-item list to another. I'm pleased to say that I've had a reply from MobGUI and I'll see what that looks like and report back.
> 
> Graham
> 
> OnWed, 04 Apr 2012 10:42:51 -0600, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Read Naturally, Inc.
>> www.readnaturally.com
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> 
>>> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
> [snip]
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 15:48:18 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:48:18 +0300
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <8D4016FD-F7DA-459C-9A62-F538E417CDCF@me.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
	<4F7C910F.5070508@gmail.com>
	<81EDA60E-8D8E-4B0B-A469-B0FC5BA2F0FC@me.com>
	<4F7C99D7.9020405@gmail.com>
	<8D4016FD-F7DA-459C-9A62-F538E417CDCF@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F7CA582.4010505@gmail.com>

On 04/04/2012 10:36 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Interesting enough, he mentioned to me that he had had great problems to do with getting a Linux port of HyperNext off the ground,
>> and stated:
>>
>> "With hindsight I should have kept developing the Pascal version of HyperNext"
>>
>> which seems most odd indeed.
> I suspect that this is because the older version of RS he's using to get the PPC / OS9 compatibility dates back to the 5.0 release days and things on Linux were very fresh and depended on a very archaic (now) version of GTK.
>
> The later versions of RS are much more complete and completely on par with the other platforms.
>
> Tim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>

You are quite right; I just had this from the HyperNext chap:

"we are legally safe because we are still using RB 555 from a long time 
ago and when we started they had no such constraints.We still have the 
original license agreements"



From rjearp at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  4 16:48:46 2012
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 13:48:46 -0700
Subject: SOT - Technology in the classroom success
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP275A7EEAD9ADA5E6CFE7DBD1320@phx.gbl>

For those "technology in the classroom" nay-sayers on the list, and everybody else for that matter who has not taken a look at the success schools and individuals are having with Salman Khan's model, go take a look first at http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk 

Then explore www.khanacademy.org where there is literally thousands of educational snippets from the basics of math to such obtuse things as Apsidal Precession (Perihelion Precession) and Milankovitch Cycles, all for free.

What's more, there is a built-in self paced educational model that seems to be having great success through all ages,  but especially K - 12.

As proof of success, in the last two days I have had grandchildren call and boast how they can do things that they have not been taught in the classroom yet, and their parent report that they are coming home and studying these things persistently and without encouragement.

Seem like teachers are finally getting a break to spend time teaching, or rather managing teaching, to the individual level rather than the mean.

I'm sold !!

best, Bob...


Bob Earp
White Rock, British Columbia.






From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Apr  4 17:17:37 2012
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:17:37 -0700
Subject: LC 5.5 stability?
In-Reply-To: <526AEC93-79C9-483A-BA93-677020BCB2C1@twft.com>
References: <E7A58E39-321B-434D-8E61-2041011CC5B9@mac.com>
	<CA0A88AD-8DAB-4318-B5FB-3AF64215A403@canelasoftware.com>
	<526AEC93-79C9-483A-BA93-677020BCB2C1@twft.com>
Message-ID: <ADE69920-FF8E-4E6D-966A-4D110C2FDBCE@canelasoftware.com>

On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Also, try suspending and restoring development tools whenever you get weird behavior like that. 
> 

I will give that a try.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com




From simplsol at aol.com  Wed Apr  4 17:55:58 2012
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:55:58 -0700
Subject: Forwarded from Grandpa L
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP275A7EEAD9ADA5E6CFE7DBD1320@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP275A7EEAD9ADA5E6CFE7DBD1320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6E9E7AE0-5423-44A6-90D4-523A07500189@aol.com>

Amber,
This was on one of the lists I follow.
Bob Earp is a fellow programmer who lives in British Columbia. I've met him several times and he seems like a sharp fellow.
You might be interested in the link he provided:

> www.khanacademy.org


Grandpa


On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Earp wrote:

> For those "technology in the classroom" nay-sayers on the list, and everybody else for that matter who has not taken a look at the success schools and individuals are having with Salman Khan's model, go take a look first at http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk 
> 
> Then explore www.khanacademy.org where there is literally thousands of educational snippets from the basics of math to such obtuse things as Apsidal Precession (Perihelion Precession) and Milankovitch Cycles, all for free.
> 
> What's more, there is a built-in self paced educational model that seems to be having great success through all ages,  but especially K - 12.
> 
> As proof of success, in the last two days I have had grandchildren call and boast how they can do things that they have not been taught in the classroom yet, and their parent report that they are coming home and studying these things persistently and without encouragement.
> 
> Seem like teachers are finally getting a break to spend time teaching, or rather managing teaching, to the individual level rather than the mean.
> 
> I'm sold !!
> 
> best, Bob...
> 
> 
> Bob Earp
> White Rock, British Columbia.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 18:47:36 2012
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:47:36 -0700
Subject: [OT] Congrats to Trevor - Macworld Clarify Review
Message-ID: <4F7CCF88.9020003@comcast.net>

Congratulations to Trevor DeVore for the great review of Clarify in the 
new issue of MacWorld.

Marty Knapp



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Apr  4 18:56:57 2012
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 15:56:57 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E704E57A0D76487E84609E1DC4DAF5AC@GATEWAY>

> ...and the Tigbyte site says:
> 
>     HyperNext is further enhanced by its ability to compile and
>     run REALbasic scripts during runtime. RBscript is a fast
>     high-level object orientated language that is ideal for
>     tasks requiring extra power such as number crunching, heavy
>     text processing and graphics.

I cannot answer in the specific here, but there was a thread recently on the
RB list about developing competing or overlapping products with RB, that its
possible to work out a payment plan with REAL. The "nut" of the argument was
how they defined a development tool, which to me seemed overly broad at the
time and encompassed technologies that had little to do with RB - don't take
my word on the specifics though, if its important to you, they have
archives. I can't think of a more fitting example of conflict with RB, so my
guess is that they worked something out.

At Paradigma, we have to have our own definitions as well, though more
narrow. Pretty much anything that would duplicate a "Filemaker" type product
or a "Filemaker Server" type product is forbidden. On the other hand, we
have plenty of customers who make specialized data management tools for
vertical markets, integration or BI tools that are totally cool with our
license.

Dave Simpson wrote an interesting article on making code generation apps
with LiveCode for the Omegabundle which really set me thinking about this.

There are some companies that might not allow this sort of thing, or they
could be very vague about it in their EULA and then try to squeeze you for
royalties because it "might" overlap in some way. That's a really bad sign -
a sign that their technology is past its prime and they are a bottomfeeding
type company. They exist. Beware. They have tiny, evil eyes, hide in the
darkness and have funnel like mouths like lampreys...

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr  4 19:18:38 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:18:38 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <E704E57A0D76487E84609E1DC4DAF5AC@GATEWAY>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com> <4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com>
	<E704E57A0D76487E84609E1DC4DAF5AC@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <9B56793E-D046-4F58-A7E0-B082951479C8@twft.com>

So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)

Bob


On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> At Paradigma, we have to have our own definitions as well, though more
> narrow. Pretty much anything that would duplicate a "Filemaker" type product
> or a "Filemaker Server" type product is forbidden. 




From rman at free.fr  Wed Apr  4 21:04:09 2012
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Forwarded from Grandpa L
In-Reply-To: <6E9E7AE0-5423-44A6-90D4-523A07500189@aol.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP275A7EEAD9ADA5E6CFE7DBD1320@phx.gbl>
	<6E9E7AE0-5423-44A6-90D4-523A07500189@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1333587849213-4533632.post@n4.nabble.com>

Many thanks for this great link. 

How to improve teaching? How to self teach yourself? This is one of the
greatest question... (the next one being :: what for? what to do with
knowledge!?)

Episode 1 : Its a long time since I had the intuition that videos could
serve to a great extend. I launched videos for french kids to learn english
a while ago. But I did not get the right to expand and add some tools to
help kids actually learn from them. I was a bit.. frustrated, because I
"felt" videos on their own would not be enough.

Episode 2 - That initial enthusiasm was later on counterbalanced by
"scientific" studies that concluded that, to the majority of viewers and
particularly children, their mind where distracted by the artefact of the
videos and that they would not use the backward/forward facility to adapt
the videos to their learning pace. The result being that they would not
learn much from videos. Also it was put forward that a human interaction was
key to the memorizing process. So I thought it was not such a great idea to
put children in front of a tv even if it was to train their french ears to
the esoteric sound of english...

So I also set aside some other projects I had, to expand this educative
video business and eventually killed it (also for other personnal reasons).

Episode 3 - That breathtaking video... and site etc.. does bring something
really knew on the subject for me.
The radical way of thinking is : make good use of time spent in front of a
tv, get the lectures there AND maximize in quality the time spent with the
teachers and classmates... thus boosting this essential human relation in
the learning process :: whouaouu!!!! THis seems like a great solution to
several huge problems.

As far as runrev - revolution is concerned and this list, It could well be
that an educative free limited entry point to xtalk programming would
encourage lots of students to co-develop little learning applications and
then later on pick up with full version... I do not know if it would be a
sound commercial way to go, but at least it would be a great humanitarian
way to go... and why not hand in hand with www.khanacademy.org ??



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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Apr  4 21:25:03 2012
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:25:03 -0400
Subject: [OT] Congrats to Trevor - Macworld Clarify Review
In-Reply-To: <4F7CCF88.9020003@comcast.net>
References: <4F7CCF88.9020003@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-3uWqoPUnrG9ey25hLgSCkXfJeDV7wKWvuFGjaMmZ9xA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> Congratulations to Trevor DeVore for the great review of Clarify in the
> new issue of MacWorld.
>

Thanks Marty. I didn't know a review was going to show up in the magazine.
I imagine it is the same one that is online. Is that the case?

http://www.macworld.com/article/1165132/clarify_makes_it_easy_to_create_annotated_images_and_how_to_documents.html

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.clarify-it.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 21:34:32 2012
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:34:32 -0700
Subject: [OT] Congrats to Trevor - Macworld Clarify Review
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-3uWqoPUnrG9ey25hLgSCkXfJeDV7wKWvuFGjaMmZ9xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F7CCF88.9020003@comcast.net>
	<CAHg3tG-3uWqoPUnrG9ey25hLgSCkXfJeDV7wKWvuFGjaMmZ9xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7CF6A8.6000401@comcast.net>

The magazine review is pretty brief compared to the online review, 
though also written by Dan Frakes.

Marty
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>  wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to Trevor DeVore for the great review of Clarify in the
>> new issue of MacWorld.
>>
> Thanks Marty. I didn't know a review was going to show up in the magazine.
> I imagine it is the same one that is online. Is that the case?
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/1165132/clarify_makes_it_easy_to_create_annotated_images_and_how_to_documents.html
>




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Apr  4 23:56:20 2012
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:56:20 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <9B56793E-D046-4F58-A7E0-B082951479C8@twft.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com>
	<4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com><E704E57A0D76487E84609E1DC4DAF5AC@GATEWAY>
	<9B56793E-D046-4F58-A7E0-B082951479C8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <30D735E6D4384ED68C43294783583ECB@GATEWAY>

> So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses 
> Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)

MileFaker Pro? Isn't that like a pedometer program that lies? 

"Yeah, you just did 10 miles! Reward yourself at the Starbucks, 20 feet
ahead on your right..."

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 00:24:17 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:24:17 +0300
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <30D735E6D4384ED68C43294783583ECB@GATEWAY>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com>
	<4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com><E704E57A0D76487E84609E1DC4DAF5AC@GATEWAY>
	<9B56793E-D046-4F58-A7E0-B082951479C8@twft.com>
	<30D735E6D4384ED68C43294783583ECB@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4F7D1E71.7070801@gmail.com>

On 04/05/2012 06:56 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>> So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses
>> Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)
> MileFaker Pro? Isn't that like a pedometer program that lies?

No, it's something more like Shotoflop, Agitator Pro, Quacktime, 
Microsquash Sentence or Pornographer Home Edition!

>
> "Yeah, you just did 10 miles! Reward yourself at the Starbucks, 20 feet
> ahead on your right..."
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr  5 00:44:19 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:44:19 -0500
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7D1E71.7070801@gmail.com>
References: <4F7C5C29.8090004@gmail.com>
	<4F7C8B03.5060407@fourthworld.com><E704E57A0D76487E84609E1DC4DAF5AC@GATEWAY>
	<9B56793E-D046-4F58-A7E0-B082951479C8@twft.com>
	<30D735E6D4384ED68C43294783583ECB@GATEWAY>
	<4F7D1E71.7070801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7D2323.6000409@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/4/12 11:24 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 04/05/2012 06:56 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>>> So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses
>>> Valentina DB is dead on arrival?? ;-)
>> MileFaker Pro? Isn't that like a pedometer program that lies?
>
> No, it's something more like Shotoflop, Agitator Pro, Quacktime,
> Microsquash Sentence or Pornographer Home Edition!

Richmond. Don't drink and post.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Apr  5 02:30:29 2012
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:30:29 +0300
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <9B56793E-D046-4F58-A7E0-B082951479C8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CBA316B5.FD8A2%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 4/5/12 2:18 AM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> So my almost complete MileFaker Pro product which uses Valentina DB is dead on
> arrival?? ;-)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> 
>> At Paradigma, we have to have our own definitions as well, though more
>> narrow. Pretty much anything that would duplicate a "Filemaker" type product
>> or a "Filemaker Server" type product is forbidden.
 
Lynn, I believe you mean this is prohibited by our regular royalty free
license.

It will be strange if e..g the same FaileMaker corp will take for 200$
Valentina engine, will integrate it into own IDE and start sale a lots of
copies royalty free.

Right?

This is why exists such limitations in EULA.
But if somebody will very want do that he still can make separate agreement
with Paradigma.



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From sschvarstein at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 07:40:44 2012
From: sschvarstein at gmail.com (Sergio Schvarstein)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:40:44 +0200
Subject: Localization languages
Message-ID: <A62102A9-EB06-4666-ABF8-0DA160F898A4@gmail.com>

Hi,

I've just submitted an iOS app to the AppStore and I can see in the Binary Details section that the app localization is set to "English".

My app is bilingual, in Spanish and English and I need these information to be showed correctly in iTunes.

I've been searching in the LiveCode documentation and couldn't find anything about this issue. Also I couldn't find any way for changing this data in iTunes Connect.

How this can be achieved ?

Thanks and Best Regards.


______________________________
Sergio Schvarstein
sschvarstein at gmail.com

______________________________







From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Apr  5 07:48:30 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:48:30 +1000
Subject: Localization languages
In-Reply-To: <A62102A9-EB06-4666-ABF8-0DA160F898A4@gmail.com>
References: <A62102A9-EB06-4666-ABF8-0DA160F898A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A493796-3BEE-4930-91A1-8C10C665A7FA@sweattechnologies.com>

I agree, this could be documented better and even supported in the standalone builder. You need an empty .lproj folder for each language you support.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding

On 05/04/2012, at 9:40 PM, Sergio Schvarstein <sschvarstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've just submitted an iOS app to the AppStore and I can see in the Binary Details section that the app localization is set to "English".
> 
> My app is bilingual, in Spanish and English and I need these information to be showed correctly in iTunes.
> 
> I've been searching in the LiveCode documentation and couldn't find anything about this issue. Also I couldn't find any way for changing this data in iTunes Connect.
> 
> How this can be achieved ?
> 
> Thanks and Best Regards.
> 
> 
> ______________________________
> Sergio Schvarstein
> sschvarstein at gmail.com
> 
> ______________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Apr  5 07:48:48 2012
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:48:48 +0200
Subject: Localization languages
In-Reply-To: <A62102A9-EB06-4666-ABF8-0DA160F898A4@gmail.com>
References: <A62102A9-EB06-4666-ABF8-0DA160F898A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A250DA1E-A8EC-435C-9774-B094EDF5606D@m-r-d.de>

Sergio,

i do not know if this is of any use for you. I had the problem that my ios app showed english labled buttons when creating an email although the iphone was set to german.

The solution was to add an empty folder with the name german.lproj to the app. In the standalone settings under copy file i just copied/added a folder with the name german.lproj. Maybe your problem is fixed if you add an empty folder spanish.lproj to your app. But i do not kwow.


Regards,

Matthias

Am 05.04.2012 um 13:40 schrieb Sergio Schvarstein:

> Hi,
> 
> I've just submitted an iOS app to the AppStore and I can see in the Binary Details section that the app localization is set to "English".
> 
> My app is bilingual, in Spanish and English and I need these information to be showed correctly in iTunes.
> 
> I've been searching in the LiveCode documentation and couldn't find anything about this issue. Also I couldn't find any way for changing this data in iTunes Connect.
> 
> How this can be achieved ?
> 
> Thanks and Best Regards.
> 
> 
> ______________________________
> Sergio Schvarstein
> sschvarstein at gmail.com
> 
> ______________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sschvarstein at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 07:59:11 2012
From: sschvarstein at gmail.com (Sergio Schvarstein)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:59:11 +0200
Subject: Localization languages
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3203.1333626514.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3203.1333626514.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <27BEF39D-00BE-4E17-97C8-7C2D5CDBEE34@gmail.com>

Hi Monte,

Thanks for your quick answer and I agree it must be an option in the standalone settings.

I really cannot understand your suggestion and please excuse me for my ignorance.

What is an .lproj folder ? Can you give me some more details ?

Can I get a binary with both localization languages included or you are talking of creating two different apps ?

Kind regards.


______________________________
Sergio Schvarstein

______________________________




El 05/04/2012, a las 13:48, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com escribi?:

> I agree, this could be documented better and even supported in the standalone builder. You need an empty .lproj folder for each language you support.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Apr  5 09:03:25 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:03:25 +0200
Subject: iOS - picking from a scrolling list
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3203.1333626514.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3203.1333626514.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F2160339-2766-42AC-BE0E-5B1342952B96@mac.com>

Chris, thanks again: you learn something new every day! As often in LC, this means that there are two pretty different ways of doing the same thing. While you were asleep (probably, as I see you're minus 6 hours compared to me), mobGUI support (in the person of John Dixon) clarified his first example, which I found worked but I couldn't see how to modify.  I was impressed with John's solution as well as his speed of response. He showed my how to alter the size and spacing of the text in the list etc.  One has to understand which properties to alter within a group. Perhaps with a few more setProp handlers the group could be made to look like a 'normal' LC object, with all its properties 'on the outside' so to speak, but I will be content with what I have just now.

Underlying all this is something I really can't understand at all, which is how a LiveCode scrolling field can be incorporated into an iOS object which has been instantiated at runtime, and they then somehow run in concert, with the data (lines of text) being in the LC object but at the same time being scrolled by the iOS object with all the rolling and bouncing behaviour which is expected. This is subtle and confusing, and I'd love to read a tutorial on this which would illuminate it for me. Meanwhile at least I can get on with my app.

Graham

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:38:39 -0600, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:

> You can change the appearance. So it can be a picker wheel or a scrolling list of values to pick from, much like you described in your initial post. At least on the iPad. Maybe the appearance is always the same on an iPhone/iPod Touch. Not totally sure. Anyway, I have an iPad app where I've used the scrolling list version and it works well. It would be nice if it had some other options available, like being able to set the position or being able to apply text styles.
> 
> Chris
> 
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
>> Chris, thanks. I have had a look at this (I did not know about it at all) but it isn't really what I had in mind. I want a long list like a set of names in a notebook, so the style I'm looking for is much more like Apple's Contacts app, which does present such a list and allows one to pick from it, rather than a wheel where one sees very few names at any one time, and it is quite hard to whizz from one end of say a 100-item list to another. I'm pleased to say that I've had a reply from MobGUI and I'll see what that looks like and report back.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> OnWed, 04 Apr 2012 10:42:51 -0600, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out iphonePick, or mobilePick if you want to be cross platform. That should do what you want. It's all explained in the dictionary.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Chris Sheffield
>>> Read Naturally, Inc.
>>> www.readnaturally.com
>>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
>> [snip]
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 09:20:08 2012
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:20:08 -0500
Subject: MobGUI, what am I doing wrong?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqQP6Ydb0xoBdNuX7FRpEspt1oVZwO829G5iAjbnmk66Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have a field object, a button object, and a browser object. If the button
script is this, it works as expected:

*on* touchEnd pId

   mobGUIUntouch the long id of me

   *put* the uText of *group* "URL" into tURL

   *if* char 1 to 7 of tURL is not "http://" *then* *put* "http://" beforetURL

   iPhoneControlSet gBrowserA["browser"],"url",tURL

*end* touchEnd

But I also have a card script of:

*on* setURL tURL

      iPhoneControlSet gBrowserA["browser"],"url",tURL

*end* setURL

and if I change the button scrip to this, it fails:

*on* touchEnd pId

   mobGUIUntouch the long id of me

   *put* the uText of *group* "URL" into tURL

   *if* char 1 to 7 of tURL is not "http://" *then* *put* "http://" beforetURL

   setURL tURL

*end* touchEnd

I've tried inserting

      *put* tURL into fld "test"

into both scripts, and it seems to be working. Is there a way I can debug
this within LC? Given the way browser objects are handled I've only been
testing in the simulator.


From kee at kagi.com  Thu Apr  5 09:21:27 2012
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 06:21:27 -0700
Subject: Localization languages
In-Reply-To: <27BEF39D-00BE-4E17-97C8-7C2D5CDBEE34@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3203.1333626514.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<27BEF39D-00BE-4E17-97C8-7C2D5CDBEE34@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E683EDE-D0B8-41EB-B8F1-63617EFB20BE@kagi.com>

It is very very simple.

Create two folders. One named "en.lproj" and the other named "es.lproj".

You don't have to put anything into the folders. Empty folders are fine.

In your standalone app, use the "Show Package Contents" in the Finder to view the insides of the app. Open the "Contents" folder. Open the "Resources" folder. Put the two empty lproj folders into the Resources folder.

That is it.

If you open any non-LC app you will see lproj folders within Contents/Resources for each language that app supports. The app store opens your app and looks inside to see what languages it supports.

You can name the folders "English.lproj" or "en.lproj" and "Spanish.lproj" or "es.lproj" but the trend is towards using the ISO names for the languages. 

Kee Nethery



On Apr 5, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Sergio Schvarstein wrote:

> Hi Monte,
> 
> Thanks for your quick answer and I agree it must be an option in the standalone settings.
> 
> I really cannot understand your suggestion and please excuse me for my ignorance.
> 
> What is an .lproj folder ? Can you give me some more details ?
> 
> Can I get a binary with both localization languages included or you are talking of creating two different apps ?
> 
> Kind regards.
> 
> 
> ______________________________
> Sergio Schvarstein
> 
> ______________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 05/04/2012, a las 13:48, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com escribi?:
> 
>> I agree, this could be documented better and even supported in the standalone builder. You need an empty .lproj folder for each language you support.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Apr  5 09:44:43 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:44:43 -0400
Subject: iOS - picking from a scrolling list
In-Reply-To: <74DD9AD1-58E8-46AB-ACA9-E7476D0C3824@mac.com>
References: <74DD9AD1-58E8-46AB-ACA9-E7476D0C3824@mac.com>
Message-ID: <89A8D2FB-8C6F-44C0-9EC3-CB5658089B34@mac.com>

Graham,

I don't use mobgui but instead I use tmControl for layout of iOS elements.  There are two types of scrolling lists possible in LC. The first is using mobilePick by itself or use an option button (that uses the iOS mobilePicker). The second is using either an LC field object or other objects like the list field in tmControl but either of these needs to be in a group and the group can now have an iOS scroller applied to it.

If you create a field that is very long and group it then select the group and make it shorter than that field it will scroll. I can't remember if the group needs locked or not. There are a couple of glitches to watch out for.

Here is parts of a script that controls a grouped field and an iOS scroller. A mouseUp in the field can return the desired line etc.

local sScrollerId
on scrollerDidScroll pOffsetX, pOffsetY
    lock screen
    set the hScroll of group "InputScrollerGroup" to pOffsetX
    set the vScroll of group "InputScrollerGroup" to pOffsetY
    unlock screen
end scrollerDidScroll

on openCard
    set the layerMode of group "InputScrollerGroup" of this card to "scrolling"
    
    set the unboundedHScroll of group "InputScrollerGroup" to true
    set the unboundedVScroll of group "InputScrollerGroup" to true
    
     -- add items to a field "Counter" and have it grow to fit the contents
    set the height of field "Counter" of this card to the formattedHeight of field "Counter"
    set the top of field "Counter" to the top of group "InputScrollerGroup"
  
    set the threeDHilite of field "Lap Counter" to false
    iphoneControlCreate "scroller", "InputScroller"
    put the result into sScrollerId
    put the rect of group "InputScrollerGroup" into tRect
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "rect", tRect
    put the formattedHeight of field "Counter" into tHeight
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "contentRect", (0, 0, 0, tHeight)
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "indicatorInsets", (0,0,6,0)
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "visible", "true"
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "canBounce", true
    
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "declerationRate", fast
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "scrollingEnabled", true
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "canScrollToTop", true 
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "delayTouches", true
    
    iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "vscroll", 0
    set the vScroll of group "InputScrollerGroup" to 0
    set the vScroll of field "Counter" to 0
    
    focus on nothing
    iphoneControlDo sScrollerId, "flashScrollIndicators"
end openCard

on closeCard
    iphoneControlDelete "InputScrollerGroup"
end closeCard

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 4, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> In an iOS app I'm developing I would like to use a scrolling text list where the user can drag the whole list up and down (i.e. scroll the list) but can also select a line by touching it.  This type of interaction is permitted in iOS: a simple example is the index of Apple's own Contacts app.
> 
> I have looked at the latest iOS notes for LC5.5 (Scroller Control - UIScrollView) and I can't understand how the textual list (like an ordinary LC scrolling field) would come in to the scroller; I'm also just beginning to use MobGUI to introduce some native controls, and that has a scroller object too. It is  complex and consists of a group into which it is possible to introduce such an LC field, but in that case it is sensitive to touches, but not to dragging/scrolling - I tried setting the parameter 'delay touches' but it didn't seem to change anything. 
> 
> Obviously I have missed some underlying concept here. The LC iOS doc says that a scroller isn't a container for other controls, but I don't know what that means. It seems a gnomic pronouncement rather on the lines of "Light is not a thing" or ?Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.? Sounds terrific, but what does it actually mean?
> 
> I also tried reading the UIScrollView section of Apple's documentation. It's promising in a way (it mentions the need to do the kind of thing I'm talking about) but it doesn't help me enough to allow me to proceed.
> 
> Does anyone know how to do this? I have asked MobGUI support, but I don't know how reactive they are.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Apr  5 10:01:59 2012
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:01:59 -0700
Subject: [OT] HyperNext Android Creator
In-Reply-To: <4F7D1E71.7070801@gmail.com>
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> No, it's something more like Shotoflop, Agitator Pro, 
> Quacktime, Microsquash Sentence or Pornographer Home Edition!

Sadly - a couple of these names I could imagine as becoming "an app for
that!" ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Apr  5 18:51:02 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:51:02 -0700
Subject: Disabling a tab
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Phil and Marty,
Wanted to pass on to you that, while the enable/disable solution, it
changes the selectedtext property of the tab control.  Didn;t get a chance
to see if using the "(" prefix did the same thing or not.
Pete
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> As usual in Livecode, there are multiple ways to disable a tab. If you
> want to manipulate the button text directly, you can put "(" before the
> line of button text for the tab you want to disable. Or to enable all tabs,
> replace "(" with empty in text of btn 1.
>
> Best -
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 4/1/12 1:45 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me!
>> Pete
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hey Pete,
>>> Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.
>>>
>>> Marty Knapp
>>>
>>>  I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each
>>>
>>>> tab
>>>> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown
>>>> when
>>>> a tab is clicked.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
>>>> that clicking ion it has no effect.  Right now, I'm doing this in a
>>>> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the
>>>> use
>>>> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>>>>
>>>> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
>>>> available.  Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed
>>>> out,
>>>> kinda like a disabled menu item.  Any ideas how to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Apr  5 20:09:55 2012
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Forwarded from Grandpa L
In-Reply-To: <6E9E7AE0-5423-44A6-90D4-523A07500189@aol.com>
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I've been looking at this with interest...

Nice that somebody with 30 seconds on their hands can spare it to provide 
a review.  :-)

Judy

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, Paul Looney wrote:

> Amber,
> This was on one of the lists I follow.
> Bob Earp is a fellow programmer who lives in British Columbia. I've met him several times and he seems like a sharp fellow.
> You might be interested in the link he provided:
>
>> www.khanacademy.org
>
>
> Grandpa
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Earp wrote:
>
>> For those "technology in the classroom" nay-sayers on the list, and everybody else for that matter who has not taken a look at the success schools and individuals are having with Salman Khan's model, go take a look first at http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk
>>
>> Then explore www.khanacademy.org where there is literally thousands of educational snippets from the basics of math to such obtuse things as Apsidal Precession (Perihelion Precession) and Milankovitch Cycles, all for free.
>>
>> What's more, there is a built-in self paced educational model that seems to be having great success through all ages,  but especially K - 12.
>>
>> As proof of success, in the last two days I have had grandchildren call and boast how they can do things that they have not been taught in the classroom yet, and their parent report that they are coming home and studying these things persistently and without encouragement.
>>
>> Seem like teachers are finally getting a break to spend time teaching, or rather managing teaching, to the individual level rather than the mean.
>>
>> I'm sold !!
>>
>> best, Bob...
>>
>>
>> Bob Earp
>> White Rock, British Columbia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Apr  5 20:29:45 2012
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:29:45 -0400
Subject: [OT] Android for the HP Touchpad (ICS 4.0)
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPFkQ8oTdpkNZW8UEXvknm6vn0NQ51syNLV30rmJou=vQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just happen to discover this when browsing YouTube, and I thought of
Andre.  If you ever decide to part ways with WebOS (not likely), your
hardware is at least capable of running the latest incarnation of Android,
and very well it appears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2l55-LOTo

~Roger


From malamoud.public at free.fr  Fri Apr  6 04:19:09 2012
From: malamoud.public at free.fr (Georges Malamoud)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:19:09 +0200
Subject: Localization languages
Message-ID: <BF2E99F4-9967-4A3F-BCCD-B23DA58E71DF@free.fr>

Hello
I had the same problem.
I had to modify the standard template from LC (locally on my Mac) which forces "English" as the default language
Try to edit it, but make a backup of the old one before !
It should be there? It worked for me (French)
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10365&p=47794&hilit=default+settings+change#p47794
Georges
> Hi,
> I've just submitted an iOS app to the AppStore and I can see in the Binary Details section that the app localization is set to "English".
> My app is bilingual, in Spanish and English and I need these information to be showed correctly in iTunes.
> I've been searching in the LiveCode documentation and couldn't find anything about this issue. Also I couldn't find any way for changing this data in iTunes Connect.
> How this can be achieved ?
> Thanks and Best Regards.
> Sergio Schvarstein
> sschvarstein at gmail.com



From sschvarstein at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 04:40:15 2012
From: sschvarstein at gmail.com (Sergio Schvarstein)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:40:15 +0200
Subject: Localization languages
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1333645201.14673.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333645201.14673.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <32478491-1DD5-4972-97D3-DEE758BF88C5@gmail.com>

Great !

Thanks Kee and thanks Matthias.  :-)

I've added the two empty folders via the standalone settings and it worked. Now the binary localization is set to ("en","es") so let's see if in the iTunes info it appears as "English, Spanish".

Just a little more question, for my curiosity:
Kee suggested to add this folders via the Finder, opening the standalone package.
As far as I know, if you open a signed package and you alter its contents, even in a byte, the signature will not work ok.
Is that true ?

Thanks again and Kind Regards.

______________________________
Sergio Schvarstein


______________________________




El 05/04/2012, a las 19:00, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com escribi?:

> From: Kee Nethery <kee at kagi.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Localization languages
> Message-ID: <1E683EDE-D0B8-41EB-B8F1-63617EFB20BE at kagi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> It is very very simple.
> 
> Create two folders. One named "en.lproj" and the other named "es.lproj".
> 
> You don't have to put anything into the folders. Empty folders are fine.
> 
> In your standalone app, use the "Show Package Contents" in the Finder to view the insides of the app. Open the "Contents" folder. Open the "Resources" folder. Put the two empty lproj folders into the Resources folder.
> 
> That is it.
> 
> If you open any non-LC app you will see lproj folders within Contents/Resources for each language that app supports. The app store opens your app and looks inside to see what languages it supports.
> 
> You can name the folders "English.lproj" or "en.lproj" and "Spanish.lproj" or "es.lproj" but the trend is towards using the ISO names for the languages. 
> 
> Kee Nethery



From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Apr  6 05:26:59 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:26:59 +0200
Subject: iOS Keyboard options
Message-ID: <89D88697-F880-4A37-8914-69E8CCDF40BA@mac.com>

In the latest LC iOS Release notes, the options for changing the keyboard type and the look of the return key are described, with this note:

> If you wish to configure the keyboard options based on the field that is being focused, simply use the commands in an openField handler of the given field. The keyboard is only shown after this handler returns, so it is the ideal time to configure it.
> 

When I did this, it had absolutely no effect. OTOH, when I put the configuration statements in the preOpenCard handler (there is only one card in this test app), they worked fine.

Did I do something wrong?

Also, on the iPad but not the iPhone, a keyboard can  have a little keyboard icon in the bottom right hand corner - can anyone save me the experiment and say what key or keycode this is?

TIA

Graham


From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp  Fri Apr  6 05:38:15 2012
From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:38:15 +0900
Subject: Unicode Problem
Message-ID: <4EA31F7D-EF22-415D-BD2B-8879F0BB499C@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>

Hi, expert!

I am very glad to add some functions of unicode in LC 5.5.

I use them, and I have some problems about the functions.

If you use the unicode functions, please give me some information.

1.  put unicode function

Here is my script.

on mouseUp
   put fld "Q1" into theUniData
   put unicode "???" into fld "A1"
end mouseUp

I am sorry, I used Japanese character in the script.
In LC 5.5, I can use Japanese text in the script ! It is great! 

But, the result of the script is bat.
Wrong character appeared in the field.


2. set the unicode text

Here is my script.

on mouseUp
      
   put "A1.txt" into theFileName
   put AbsolutePathFromStack(theFileName) into theFullPath
   
   open file theFullPath
   read from file theFullPath until EOF
   set the unicodeText of fld "A1" to it
   close file theFullPath
   
end mouseUp

I want read some Japanese from a file.

 LC can read text and put them into the field.
Almost is OK.

 But there is not line feed in the text.



If you use unicode function, please give me some information.




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From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Apr  6 06:47:48 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:47:48 +0200
Subject: Another iOS keyboard question - properties of the keyboard
Message-ID: <86FB797B-9E89-4607-9F0A-C008F34E9064@mac.com>

I'm getting an iOS keyboard to come up by setting the lockText of a field to false when the user touches it - this is fine, up comes the keyboard. But the odd thing is that it appears set in 'caps lock' mode, with the shift key illuminated. This is one of several modes mentioned in the LC docs under 'iPhoneControlSet' (or mobileControlSet if you prefer). 

I would like to change this to one of the other modes (autoCapitalizationType "words"). However this applies to native controls which one has instantiated by script, whereas in this case the appearance of the keyboard was automatic so I have no access to its ID - do I? As I don't have an ID with which to reference the keyboard, so I can't alter its properties. Is there a solution to this?

TIA

Graham



From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Apr  6 07:09:51 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:09:51 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
Message-ID: <765A9DAB-9BA0-4C0C-A649-F8977608BE21@mac.com>

For the first time I ventured into creating a Font Menu button for a project I am working on. I wanted the Font Menu button to on a card close to a text field where the user could change the font attributes including font, size, style of the field.  I remembered the example in the Resource Center. So I went to the Resource Center (using Rev 4.0) and try to download the script.  I thought it would be on the clipboard and tried to paste it.  The download button does not work. I was able to select the script and copy and paste it into a sample stack. 

 I made a sample stack with a font button and a text field. I entered the script for the font button with the exception of color, which I do not need. I doubled checked the script comparing it to what was listed in Resource Center. I got errors in the script editor for items Plain, Bold and Italic.  I noticed that there were no Breaks listed for these items. I added the Breaks in the Switch script for Plain, Bold and Italic.  Now I do not get any errors in the editor but I do not see any menu items for Font Menu except for the item names. 

I also entered the script manually line by line to see if there might be some problems with just pasting it. I go the same results - the script did not work.  What is the problem? Is this a problem with the Resource Center script?  



Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com







From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Fri Apr  6 07:16:33 2012
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:16:33 +0100
Subject: Another iOS keyboard question - properties of the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <86FB797B-9E89-4607-9F0A-C008F34E9064@mac.com>
References: <86FB797B-9E89-4607-9F0A-C008F34E9064@mac.com>
Message-ID: <06BD93FB-67FD-4984-BD51-1014A61C541B@liverpool.ac.uk>

I reported this as a bug to Rev in version 4.something. They acknowledged it but it's still listed as an open bug report in the quality centre. I hope they fix it soon (or someone knows a way around it).

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Apr 2012, at 11:47, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm getting an iOS keyboard to come up by setting the lockText of a field to false when the user touches it - this is fine, up comes the keyboard. But the odd thing is that it appears set in 'caps lock' mode, with the shift key illuminated. This is one of several modes mentioned in the LC docs under 'iPhoneControlSet' (or mobileControlSet if you prefer). 
> 
> I would like to change this to one of the other modes (autoCapitalizationType "words"). However this applies to native controls which one has instantiated by script, whereas in this case the appearance of the keyboard was automatic so I have no access to its ID - do I? As I don't have an ID with which to reference the keyboard, so I can't alter its properties. Is there a solution to this?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Apr  6 08:50:37 2012
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 05:50:37 -0700
Subject: Paint tools for iOS - architect
Message-ID: <DBF771B6-6F97-40F4-8106-623424037D04@cox.net>

Sometime back it was noted that the paint tools had not yet been implemented by LC for the iOS apps. Has this situation improved yet. I haven't considered one of my apps for that transition for this reason and I would hope I am going to be able to do that. It will make a sure-fire iPad app and my publisher is getting eager for me to do so.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins
Architect




From kee at kagi.com  Fri Apr  6 11:32:03 2012
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:32:03 -0700
Subject: Localization languages
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References: <mailman.1.1333645201.14673.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<32478491-1DD5-4972-97D3-DEE758BF88C5@gmail.com>
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On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:40 AM, Sergio Schvarstein wrote:

> Great !
> 
> Thanks Kee and thanks Matthias.  :-)
> 
> I've added the two empty folders via the standalone settings and it worked. Now the binary localization is set to ("en","es") so let's see if in the iTunes info it appears as "English, Spanish".
> 
> Just a little more question, for my curiosity:
> Kee suggested to add this folders via the Finder, opening the standalone package.
> As far as I know, if you open a signed package and you alter its contents, even in a byte, the signature will not work ok.
> Is that true ?

I think that is true.

I always do the code sign with the folders in it.

Kee




From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Apr  6 11:34:28 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:34:28 +0200
Subject: Yet another iOS keyboard question
Message-ID: <892E88D6-0A4C-476B-A6D3-4C93471EA18E@mac.com>

I am going slightly nuts looking at this, but I seem to have lost the ability to show a scrolling field in the Simulator and allow the user to select a line, **without** an iOS native keyboard popping up. I am just trying to use the lines of the list as links, so I don't need to keyboard anything. I can check if a keyboard  is activated (there is a message for this), but there is no available action to deactivate it AFAICS, apart from changing the focus on my field, which I obviously don't want to do.

Is this just very simple and I've missed it? Suppose so. I think I'll just go and make a cup of tea. Meanwhile thanks to anyone who can explain it.

Graham




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Apr  6 12:03:55 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:03:55 -0700
Subject: Good article!
Message-ID: <5F96D0B6-F21D-4B04-AE07-51EC01C24470@twft.com>

Kudos to Mark Smith for a good article. It demonstrates how technique transcends the environment. 

Bob


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 12:43:15 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:43:15 -0400
Subject: Good article!
In-Reply-To: <5F96D0B6-F21D-4B04-AE07-51EC01C24470@twft.com>
References: <5F96D0B6-F21D-4B04-AE07-51EC01C24470@twft.com>
Message-ID: <12163BA3-1FBC-4AF2-AFA1-F914AB4531B6@gmail.com>

What article are you talking about?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Apr 6, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Kudos to Mark Smith for a good article. It demonstrates how technique transcends the environment. 
> 
> Bob
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From john at splash21.com  Fri Apr  6 12:48:36 2012
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:48:36 +0100
Subject: iPhone App testing via TestFlight
Message-ID: <4F7F1E64.2090504@splash21.com>

If anyone is interested in testing an iOS app via testflightapp.com, 
please drop me an email with your device ID.

I started writing a pictionary style game ages ago, then it got 
shelved.  With the release of 5.5, I pulled it from the
archives and it seems to be running nicely :)

The game is very similar to OMGPOP's Draw Something - wish 5.5 had been 
released a year ago !  I still think it's
worth finishing as it demonstrates turn based gaming with LiveCode.  At 
the moment, the server scripts (all .lc) are running
on on-rev.com with a MySQL database.

It's had test runs on iPhone4, iPad2 and iPad3.  The initial idea behind 
the project (many moons ago) was a
multiplayer game for all platforms with all the app code & server code 
all written in 100% LiveCode.

Although it's pretty rough around the edges, a few of us have been 
pinging drawings back and forward and the basic
functionality is working.




-------
I've had a LOT of MobGUI emails and tickets (I think I'm down to the 
last 2 pages!).  I'm now aiming for an interim
update as I'm spending more time on support than coding.  Hope to have 
more news soon.




From cmsheffield at me.com  Fri Apr  6 12:56:40 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:56:40 -0600
Subject: Yet another iOS keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <892E88D6-0A4C-476B-A6D3-4C93471EA18E@mac.com>
References: <892E88D6-0A4C-476B-A6D3-4C93471EA18E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2A111E41-D004-41C0-95F7-E3D1BB507240@me.com>

Graham,

I just tried a quick test using a basic scrolling list field, dragged straight from the tool palette. The keyboard did not appear for me when selecting items in the field. I noticed that lockText is true and traversalOn is true. Maybe start there? Otherwise, maybe compare the properties of your field to those of the default to make sure they're the same.

Hopefully that'll help.

Chris



On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I am going slightly nuts looking at this, but I seem to have lost the ability to show a scrolling field in the Simulator and allow the user to select a line, **without** an iOS native keyboard popping up. I am just trying to use the lines of the list as links, so I don't need to keyboard anything. I can check if a keyboard  is activated (there is a message for this), but there is no available action to deactivate it AFAICS, apart from changing the focus on my field, which I obviously don't want to do.
> 
> Is this just very simple and I've missed it? Suppose so. I think I'll just go and make a cup of tea. Meanwhile thanks to anyone who can explain it.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Apr  6 12:59:36 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:59:36 -0700
Subject: Good article!
In-Reply-To: <12163BA3-1FBC-4AF2-AFA1-F914AB4531B6@gmail.com>
References: <5F96D0B6-F21D-4B04-AE07-51EC01C24470@twft.com>
	<12163BA3-1FBC-4AF2-AFA1-F914AB4531B6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52B2F392-689E-40F1-8ACA-6877AAE56BA9@twft.com>

The one in the newsletter about a method for getting and saving values in a database without hard coding the column names and field names. 

Bob


On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote:

> What article are you talking about?
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> 
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Kudos to Mark Smith for a good article. It demonstrates how technique transcends the environment. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From tolistim at me.com  Fri Apr  6 13:24:57 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: iOS Keyboard options
In-Reply-To: <89D88697-F880-4A37-8914-69E8CCDF40BA@mac.com>
References: <89D88697-F880-4A37-8914-69E8CCDF40BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A0F37E19-CED3-4AA4-9BF6-0A69E82A4852@me.com>

I can't answer for the other questions, but that little keyboard key is the "hide me" key and just closes the onscreen keyboard.  It doesn't really have a keycode.

Tim

On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> In the latest LC iOS Release notes, the options for changing the keyboard type and the look of the return key are described, with this note:
> 
>> If you wish to configure the keyboard options based on the field that is being focused, simply use the commands in an openField handler of the given field. The keyboard is only shown after this handler returns, so it is the ideal time to configure it.
>> 
> 
> When I did this, it had absolutely no effect. OTOH, when I put the configuration statements in the preOpenCard handler (there is only one card in this test app), they worked fine.
> 
> Did I do something wrong?
> 
> Also, on the iPad but not the iPhone, a keyboard can  have a little keyboard icon in the bottom right hand corner - can anyone save me the experiment and say what key or keycode this is?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr  6 14:24:51 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:24:51 -0500
Subject: Another iOS keyboard question - properties of the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <06BD93FB-67FD-4984-BD51-1014A61C541B@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <86FB797B-9E89-4607-9F0A-C008F34E9064@mac.com>
	<06BD93FB-67FD-4984-BD51-1014A61C541B@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4F7F34F3.9000105@hyperactivesw.com>

There was a workaround posted to the forums:
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=6982&p=54482&hilit=ios+keyboard+shift#p54482>

I haven't tried it.

On 4/6/12 6:16 AM, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
> I reported this as a bug to Rev in version 4.something. They
> acknowledged it but it's still listed as an open bug report in the
> quality centre. I hope they fix it soon (or someone knows a way
> around it).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 6 Apr 2012, at 11:47, Graham Samuel<livfoss at mac.com>  wrote:
>
>> I'm getting an iOS keyboard to come up by setting the lockText of a
>> field to false when the user touches it - this is fine, up comes
>> the keyboard. But the odd thing is that it appears set in 'caps
>> lock' mode, with the shift key illuminated. This is one of several
>> modes mentioned in the LC docs under 'iPhoneControlSet' (or
>> mobileControlSet if you prefer).
>>
>> I would like to change this to one of the other modes
>> (autoCapitalizationType "words"). However this applies to native
>> controls which one has instantiated by script, whereas in this case
>> the appearance of the keyboard was automatic so I have no access to
>> its ID - do I? As I don't have an ID with which to reference the
>> keyboard, so I can't alter its properties. Is there a solution to
>> this?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Graham

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr  6 14:57:43 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:57:43 -0500
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
In-Reply-To: <765A9DAB-9BA0-4C0C-A649-F8977608BE21@mac.com>
References: <765A9DAB-9BA0-4C0C-A649-F8977608BE21@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F7F3CA7.8000307@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/6/12 6:09 AM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I also entered the script manually line by line to see if there might
> be some problems with just pasting it. I go the same results - the
> script did not work.  What is the problem? Is this a problem with the
> Resource Center script?

Post the original script you were trying to use. Then we'll know  what 
you were looking at.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 15:43:13 2012
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:43:13 -0500
Subject: MobGUI, what am I doing wrong?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqQP6Ydb0xoBdNuX7FRpEspt1oVZwO829G5iAjbnmk66Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqQP6Ydb0xoBdNuX7FRpEspt1oVZwO829G5iAjbnmk66Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqzALqgUdL56QxWgs1jF0J_cmQRF2+FOwSoHL3Nke7CrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I figured it out. I had forgotten to include


global gBrowserA

:-/

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> *on* touchEnd pId
>
>    mobGUIUntouch the long id of me
>
>    *put* the uText of *group* "URL" into tURL
>
>    *if* char 1 to 7 of tURL is not "http://" *then* *put* "http://" beforetURL
>
>    iPhoneControlSet gBrowserA["browser"],"url",tURL
>
> *end* touchEnd
>


From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Apr  6 16:01:19 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:01:19 +0200
Subject: Yet another iOS keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1333731601.17840.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333731601.17840.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F9F03C4D-322F-4202-AE14-7B894B9FF479@mac.com>

Thanks Chris, traversalOn was the answer. Doesn't show up on the Property Inspector under its own name (I think it's called 'Focusable' which is perhaps slightly more meaningful, but different) and I forgot about it. The dictionary entry explains it well enough, but of course first one has to remember that traversalOn exists - 'focusable' isn't there.

Sorry to be dumb.

Graham

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:56:40 -0600, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:

> Graham,
> 
> I just tried a quick test using a basic scrolling list field, dragged straight from the tool palette. The keyboard did not appear for me when selecting items in the field. I noticed that lockText is true and traversalOn is true. Maybe start there? Otherwise, maybe compare the properties of your field to those of the default to make sure they're the same.
> 
> Hopefully that'll help.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
>> I am going slightly nuts looking at this, but I seem to have lost the ability to show a scrolling field in the Simulator and allow the user to select a line, **without** an iOS native keyboard popping up. I am just trying to use the lines of the list as links, so I don't need to keyboard anything. I can check if a keyboard  is activated (there is a message for this), but there is no available action to deactivate it AFAICS, apart from changing the focus on my field, which I obviously don't want to do.
>> 
>> Is this just very simple and I've missed it? Suppose so. I think I'll just go and make a cup of tea. Meanwhile thanks to anyone who can explain it.
>> 
>> Graham



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr  6 16:24:24 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:24:24 -0500
Subject: Yet another iOS keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <F9F03C4D-322F-4202-AE14-7B894B9FF479@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333731601.17840.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<F9F03C4D-322F-4202-AE14-7B894B9FF479@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F7F50F8.6030707@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/6/12 3:01 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> Thanks Chris, traversalOn was the answer. Doesn't show up on the
> Property Inspector under its own name (I think it's called
> 'Focusable' which is perhaps slightly more meaningful, but different)

The first thing I do whenever I need to reset my prefs is to turn off 
the "descriptive" terms in the inspector and allow it to show the real 
LiveCode terms instead. This also flips the tooltips so that hovering 
shows the common meaning. The setting is the first one in the General 
pane in prefs, "Property labels are: Name of LiveCode property".

I usually recommend that all newcomers change that default setting right 
away too. It makes learning the language much easier because, as you 
say, they can look up the terms they see in the inspector.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From john at splash21.com  Fri Apr  6 18:37:28 2012
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 23:37:28 +0100
Subject: character recognition
Message-ID: <4F7F7028.6050001@splash21.com>

For interested parties.

http://splash21.com/Gestures.html

:D



From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Fri Apr  6 20:39:30 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:39:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: iOS Keyboard options
In-Reply-To: <89D88697-F880-4A37-8914-69E8CCDF40BA@mac.com>
References: <89D88697-F880-4A37-8914-69E8CCDF40BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1333759170804-4538612.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Graham, I put the settings in custom properties and I haven't had any
problem with the following openfield handler


on openfield
   if the environment is "mobile" then
      iPhoneSetKeyboardType the ckeyboardtype of me
      iPhoneSetKeyboardReturnKey the creturnkey of me
   end if
 end openfield

-- Mark

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From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Apr  6 22:44:43 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:44:43 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
Message-ID: <E04DCC26-1645-4D4A-86B0-F9119D1E47CC@mac.com>

Jacque,

Here is my script:

on menuPick theMenuItem
   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   switch item 1 of theMenuItem ---the submenu name
      case "Font"
         set the textFont of field "Example Text"\
                to item 2 of theMenuItem
         break
      case "Size"
         set the textSize of field "example Text"\ 
                to item 2 of theMenuItem 
         break
      case "Plain"
         ---Plain removes all styles:
         set the textStyle of field "example text" to empty
         break
      case "Bold"  ---These two remaining menu items
         break
      case" Italic"  ---are handled with the same piece of code!
         break
         put the textStyle of field "example text" into currentStyle
         set the itemDelimiter to comma
         if theMenuItem is among the items of currentStyle then
            ---already has that style, so remove it
            delete item (itemOffset(theMenuItem,currentStyle))\
            of currentStyle
         else
            ---add the style to any existing styles
            if currentStyle is "Plain"
            then put theMenuItem into currentStyle
            else put comma & theMenuItem after currentStyle
         end if
         set the textStyle of field "Example Text" to currentStyle
   end switch
end menuPick


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com






From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 08:32:53 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 08:32:53 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
In-Reply-To: <E04DCC26-1645-4D4A-86B0-F9119D1E47CC@mac.com>
References: <E04DCC26-1645-4D4A-86B0-F9119D1E47CC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <802579A9-E2F4-41B8-A158-C6E5D5136FD0@gmail.com>

On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> on menuPick theMenuItem
>   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
>   switch item 1 of theMenuItem ---the submenu name
>      case "Font"
>         set the textFont of field "Example Text"\
>                to item 2 of theMenuItem
>         break
>      case "Size"
>         set the textSize of field "example Text"\ 
>                to item 2 of theMenuItem 
>         break
>      case "Plain"
>         ---Plain removes all styles:
>         set the textStyle of field "example text" to empty
>         break
>      case "Bold"  ---These two remaining menu items
>         break
>      case" Italic"  ---are handled with the same piece of code!
>         break
>         put the textStyle of field "example text" into currentStyle
>         set the itemDelimiter to comma
>         if theMenuItem is among the items of currentStyle then
>            ---already has that style, so remove it
>            delete item (itemOffset(theMenuItem,currentStyle))\
>            of currentStyle
>         else
>            ---add the style to any existing styles
>            if currentStyle is "Plain"
>            then put theMenuItem into currentStyle
>            else put comma & theMenuItem after currentStyle
>         end if
>         set the textStyle of field "Example Text" to currentStyle
>   end switch
> end menuPick

Well, one problem is that you have breaks at the top of 2 sections, which will exit you without any action.

It looks as if you want this instead:

on menuPick theMenuItem
  set the itemDelimiter to "|"
  switch item 1 of theMenuItem ---the submenu name
     case "Font"
        set the textFont of field "Example Text"\
               to item 2 of theMenuItem
        break
     case "Size"
        set the textSize of field "example Text"\ 
               to item 2 of theMenuItem 
        break
     case "Plain"
        ---Plain removes all styles:
        set the textStyle of field "example text" to empty
        break
     case "Bold"  ---These two remaining menu items    **** no break
     case" Italic"  ---are handled with the same piece of code!    **** no break
        put the textStyle of field "example text" into currentStyle
        set the itemDelimiter to comma
        if theMenuItem is among the items of currentStyle then
           ---already has that style, so remove it
           delete item (itemOffset(theMenuItem,currentStyle))\
           of currentStyle
        else
           ---add the style to any existing styles
           if currentStyle is "Plain"
           then put theMenuItem into currentStyle
           else put comma & theMenuItem after currentStyle
        end if
        set the textStyle of field "Example Text" to currentStyle
        break
  end switch
end menuPick

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Apr  7 10:14:42 2012
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:14:42 +0200
Subject: should mobileshowstatusbar work on iOS?
Message-ID: <04CBAFA6-6D13-4685-A66E-2AC893908171@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

could someone confirm that mobileshowstatusbar definitely does work on iOS.

In the past i used iPhoneShowStatusbar and iPhoneHideStatusbar to show/hide the status bar.

In a new stack under LC5.5 i now used mobileShowStatusBar and mobileHideStatusBar. But these commands do not work.
Replacing them with iphone?.  all works as expected. 

The dictionary says mobileshowstatusbar is a synomym for iphoneshowstatus bar and that it is supported on Android and iOS.

I created a little stack with 4 buttons. 2 use the mobile command to show/hide the status bar and 2 use the iphone command.
Could someone do me the favour and check if the mobile commands work on her/his system?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969084/showStatusBarTest


Regards

Matthias


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Apr  7 10:22:05 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:22:05 -0400
Subject: should mobileshowstatusbar work on iOS?
In-Reply-To: <04CBAFA6-6D13-4685-A66E-2AC893908171@m-r-d.de>
References: <04CBAFA6-6D13-4685-A66E-2AC893908171@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <00EC5AE8-D05A-4F2E-B6A7-AF1E51A92A92@mac.com>

It is not working here either.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> could someone confirm that mobileshowstatusbar definitely does work on iOS.
> 
> In the past i used iPhoneShowStatusbar and iPhoneHideStatusbar to show/hide the status bar.
> 
> In a new stack under LC5.5 i now used mobileShowStatusBar and mobileHideStatusBar. But these commands do not work.
> Replacing them with iphone?.  all works as expected. 
> 
> The dictionary says mobileshowstatusbar is a synomym for iphoneshowstatus bar and that it is supported on Android and iOS.
> 
> I created a little stack with 4 buttons. 2 use the mobile command to show/hide the status bar and 2 use the iphone command.
> Could someone do me the favour and check if the mobile commands work on her/his system?
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969084/showStatusBarTest
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthias
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Apr  7 13:19:55 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 19:19:55 +0200
Subject: Yet another iOS keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1333818002.5085.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333818002.5085.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0F77BC26-741F-46B7-8316-E8273996F5FC@mac.com>

1. thanks very much Jacque. I forgot (if I ever knew) that this preference exists. There is too much to remember, I find.

2. Looks like it works, tho clunky. I have not yet found out if one can instantiate an iOS keyboard by script - if not, the latest iOS Release Notes on setting keyboard properties would seem redundant, so I'll keep looking.

Graham

1, On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:24:24 -0500, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> 
> On 4/6/12 3:01 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> Thanks Chris, traversalOn was the answer. Doesn't show up on the
>> Property Inspector under its own name (I think it's called
>> 'Focusable' which is perhaps slightly more meaningful, but different)
> 
> The first thing I do whenever I need to reset my prefs is to turn off 
> the "descriptive" terms in the inspector and allow it to show the real 
> LiveCode terms instead. This also flips the tooltips so that hovering 
> shows the common meaning. The setting is the first one in the General 
> pane in prefs, "Property labels are: Name of LiveCode property".
> 
> I usually recommend that all newcomers change that default setting right 
> away too. It makes learning the language much easier because, as you 
> say, they can look up the terms they see in the inspector.

2. She also wrote, re the bug where an iOS keyboard appears with caps lock set:

> There was a workaround posted to the forums:
> <http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=6982&p=54482&hilit=ios+keyboard+shift#p54482>
> 
> I haven't tried it.



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Apr  7 13:34:32 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:34:32 +0100
Subject: Yet another iOS keyboard question
In-Reply-To: <0F77BC26-741F-46B7-8316-E8273996F5FC@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333818002.5085.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>,
	<0F77BC26-741F-46B7-8316-E8273996F5FC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W624D675D9EDDA66AEEFEE9ED310@phx.gbl>



No, the iOS keyboard properties are not redundant... I think that you would help yourself a lot if you used the UITextfield instead of using a regular LC field. You can then manipulate the keyboard properties more or less to your hearts' content...:-)

Dixie

> 1. thanks very much Jacque. I forgot (if I ever knew) that this preference exists. There is too much to remember, I find.
> 2. Looks like it works, tho clunky. I have not yet found out if one can instantiate an iOS keyboard by script - if not, the latest iOS Release Notes on setting keyboard properties would seem redundant, so I'll keep looking.
> 
> Graham

 		 	   		  

From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Apr  7 13:38:47 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:38:47 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
Message-ID: <F1A98CA5-8EBB-401F-90FB-7BADBE22A501@mac.com>

Peter,

Thanks! But that is how the script is presented in the Resource Center with no breaks before the end of the switch. I did insert a break after the last case statement but the script still does not work. Any other suggestions?

Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com







From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 15:35:41 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:35:41 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
In-Reply-To: <F1A98CA5-8EBB-401F-90FB-7BADBE22A501@mac.com>
References: <F1A98CA5-8EBB-401F-90FB-7BADBE22A501@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B6838F0C-BBBE-4629-A0F8-559FB473819B@gmail.com>

On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> Thanks! But that is how the script is presented in the Resource Center with no breaks before the end of the switch. I did insert a break after the last case statement but the script still does not work. Any other suggestions?

Just a guess, but you might need to avoid changing the itemdelim within the switch-case structure, maybe try something like:

on menuPick theMenuItem
  set the itemDelimiter to "|"
  put item 1 of theMenuItem into itemChosen
  put item 2 of theMenuItem into subItemChosen
  set the itemDelimiter to comma
  switch itemChosen ---the submenu name
     case "Font"
        set the textFont of field "Example Text"\
               to subItemChosen
        break
     case "Size"
  -- <snip>
  -- ... then later
  
     case "Bold"  ---These two remaining menu items
     case" Italic"  ---are handled with the same piece of code!
        put the textStyle of field "example text" into currentStyle
        -- set the itemDelimiter to comma ---*** take this out
        if theMenuItem is among the items of currentStyle then
  -- <snip>

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Apr  7 15:44:54 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:44:54 -0700
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
In-Reply-To: <F1A98CA5-8EBB-401F-90FB-7BADBE22A501@mac.com>
References: <F1A98CA5-8EBB-401F-90FB-7BADBE22A501@mac.com>
Message-ID: <53803922812.20120407124454@ahsoftware.net>

Charles-

As Peter pointed out, the problem is that you have *too many* breaks,
not that you need to add one. Remove the breaks after the case "Bold"
and case "Italic" lines, as these will exit from the switch statement
without doing anything.

Also, in the Italic case section you're attempting to see if
theMenuItem is in currentStyle. This is guaranteed to fail. You should
instead be looking at item 2 of theMenuItem. Peter's approach of
putting item 2 into subItemChosen will work, but then you need to use
that instead of theMenuItem.

if subItemChosen is among the items of currentStyle then
  ---already has that style, so remove it
  delete item (itemOffset(subItemChosen,currentStyle))\
  of currentStyle

etc.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Apr  7 16:08:05 2012
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:08:05 +0200
Subject: should mobileshowstatusbar work on iOS?
In-Reply-To: <00EC5AE8-D05A-4F2E-B6A7-AF1E51A92A92@mac.com>
References: <04CBAFA6-6D13-4685-A66E-2AC893908171@m-r-d.de>
	<00EC5AE8-D05A-4F2E-B6A7-AF1E51A92A92@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1DC0B6FD-C316-4F03-AB9C-AC5907139F35@m-r-d.de>

Hi Tom,

thanks for testing. 
Tried now on Android and there only the mobileShowStatusBar works and not the iphone?. command althought the dictionary says that it should run on both platforms.

I filed a bug http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10151


Regards,

Matthias

Am 07.04.2012 um 16:22 schrieb Thomas McGrath III:

> It is not working here either.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> could someone confirm that mobileshowstatusbar definitely does work on iOS.
>> 
>> In the past i used iPhoneShowStatusbar and iPhoneHideStatusbar to show/hide the status bar.
>> 
>> In a new stack under LC5.5 i now used mobileShowStatusBar and mobileHideStatusBar. But these commands do not work.
>> Replacing them with iphone?.  all works as expected. 
>> 
>> The dictionary says mobileshowstatusbar is a synomym for iphoneshowstatus bar and that it is supported on Android and iOS.
>> 
>> I created a little stack with 4 buttons. 2 use the mobile command to show/hide the status bar and 2 use the iphone command.
>> Could someone do me the favour and check if the mobile commands work on her/his system?
>> 
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969084/showStatusBarTest
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Matthias
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Sun Apr  8 11:05:46 2012
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: E-Learn 2012 (Montreal, Quebec) Call for Presentations: May 25
	(fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1204051707040.7102@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1204051707040.7102@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <1333897546230-4541090.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Judy

I did not see a link on your post but found the following.

http://www.aace.org/conf/elearn/advprog.htm

Looks interesting.

Have you attended or presented in the past?  

Martin

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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Apr  8 19:32:29 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:32:29 +0200
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
Message-ID: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>

I'm trying to create some native iOS controls as part of a series of experiments, using the iPhone form factor. Among other things, I'm trying to create a scroller.  I seem to have fallen at the first fence. Within a preOpenCard handler for the first and only card in the stack, I use this bit of script which I got from an LC example ('Mobile Scroller Example') which works fine in the 5.1 iPhone simulator on my setup:

  if the environment is not "mobile" then
      exit preOpenCard
   end if
      iphoneControlCreate "scroller"
      put the result into theScID

after this of course come a lot of iPhoneControlSet statements.

The ONLY difference that I can see between the example that works and mine is that I have invented a new name for my scroller ID. Both examples appear to have the same iOS standalone parameters, both compile apparently error-free and the Simulator launches each one quite happily. Nevertheless, I can show that in my case the ID is empty and that there's no sign of the native control appearing on the card. I tried it with a native text control too (iPhoneControlCreate "input") - same result. The control never appears and the ID is empty.

This has got to be my fault, but I can't see where the problem lies. It just must be something stupid and obvious, but what?

Any help gratefully received.

Graham



From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp  Sun Apr  8 21:15:55 2012
From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:15:55 +0900
Subject: Unicode Problem
In-Reply-To: <4EA31F7D-EF22-415D-BD2B-8879F0BB499C@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
References: <4EA31F7D-EF22-415D-BD2B-8879F0BB499C@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <8941533F-E054-4817-BDA8-7265F7EE55FE@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

I found that the unicode function on LC 5.0.2 DOES works,
But, the unicode function on LC.5.5.1 DOES NOT work.

Here is a simple sample using Unicode.

On LC 5.0.2 does works well, but LC 5.5.1 does not work.

on mouseUp
   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to fld "temp" 
end mouseUp

_.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ 
Takashi Yoshino 
http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/
Tel: +81-73-457-8441

On 2012/04/06, at 18:38, Takashi Yoshino wrote:

> Hi, expert!
> 
> I am very glad to add some functions of unicode in LC 5.5.
> 
> I use them, and I have some problems about the functions.
> 
> If you use the unicode functions, please give me some information.
> 
> 1.  put unicode function
> 
> Here is my script.
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put fld "Q1" into theUniData
>   put unicode "???" into fld "A1"
> end mouseUp
> 
> I am sorry, I used Japanese character in the script.
> In LC 5.5, I can use Japanese text in the script ! It is great! 
> 
> But, the result of the script is bat.
> Wrong character appeared in the field.
> 
> 
> 2. set the unicode text
> 
> Here is my script.
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
>   put "A1.txt" into theFileName
>   put AbsolutePathFromStack(theFileName) into theFullPath
> 
>   open file theFullPath
>   read from file theFullPath until EOF
>   set the unicodeText of fld "A1" to it
>   close file theFullPath
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> I want read some Japanese from a file.
> 
> LC can read text and put them into the field.
> Almost is OK.
> 
> But there is not line feed in the text.
> 
> 
> 
> If you use unicode function, please give me some information.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ 
> Takashi Yoshino 
> http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/
> Tel: +81-73-457-8441
> 
> 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Apr  8 22:44:05 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:44:05 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>

> This has got to be my fault, but I can't see where the problem lies. It just must be something stupid and obvious, but what?
> 
> Any help gratefully received.

I can't see anything wrong, Graham, but I can show you what is working for me:

local sScrollerID
on ShowScroller pViewRect,pContentHt
   -- pViewRect is the rect of the group that contains the scrolling list field I'm overlaying
   -- pContentHt is the total height of the content of the scrolling list field as if it didn't
   --    need to scroll
   if the platform is "iphone" then
      put "0,0," & (item 3 of pViewRect) & "," & pContentHt into tContentRect
      
      iphoneControlCreate "scroller"
      put the result into sScrollerID
      
      -- The 'rect' is the region of the card it should cover
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "rect", pViewRect
      -- The 'contentRect' is the region the scroller scrolls over
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "contentRect", tContentRect
      -- The 'visible' determines if the scroller is displayed
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "visible", "true"
      -- The 'canBounce' determines whether the standard iOS 'bouncing' occurs
      -- at extremities of scrolling
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "canBounce", "false"
      -- The 'pagingEnabled' determines whether scrolling only happens in multiples
      -- of the width/height
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "pagingEnabled", "false"
      -- The 'canScrollToTop' determines whether touching the status bar scrolls
      -- the scroller to the top
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "canScrollToTop", "false"
      iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "hIndicator", "false"
      
   end if
end ShowScroller

on HideScroller
   if (the platform is "iphone") and (sScrollerID <> "") then
      iphoneControlDelete sScrollerID
   end if
end HideScroller

Hope this helps you track down the problem,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 01:01:13 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:01:13 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
	<AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/8/12 9:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> local sScrollerID
> on ShowScroller pViewRect,pContentHt
>     -- pViewRect is the rect of the group that contains the scrolling list field I'm overlaying
>     -- pContentHt is the total height of the content of the scrolling list field as if it didn't
>     --    need to scroll
>     if the platform is "iphone" then
>        put "0,0,"&  (item 3 of pViewRect)&  ","&  pContentHt into tContentRect

I still haven't figured out why the rect always has to start at "0,0". 
You'd think it would start at the topleft of the scrollable group but 
that doesn't work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr  9 03:22:04 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:22:04 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
	<AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A8749068-3146-4AC8-A622-D233CD081D01@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/8/12 9:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> local sScrollerID
>> on ShowScroller pViewRect,pContentHt
>>    -- pViewRect is the rect of the group that contains the scrolling list field I'm overlaying
>>    -- pContentHt is the total height of the content of the scrolling list field as if it didn't
>>    --    need to scroll
>>    if the platform is "iphone" then
>>       put "0,0,"&  (item 3 of pViewRect)&  ","&  pContentHt into tContentRect
> 
> I still haven't figured out why the rect always has to start at "0,0". You'd think it would start at the topleft of the scrollable group but that doesn't work.

I think it needs to be relative to the topleft of the scrollable group, just like objects on a card are relative to the topleft of the card.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From john at splash21.com  Mon Apr  9 06:19:29 2012
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:19:29 +0100
Subject: character recognition
In-Reply-To: <4F7F7028.6050001@splash21.com>
References: <4F7F7028.6050001@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <4F82B7B1.4020709@splash21.com>

Thanks for the feedback - the sketch WAS pretty rough!  I've updated it 
to be more accurate.


On 06/04/2012 23:37, John Craig wrote:
> For interested parties.
>
> http://splash21.com/Gestures.html
>
> :D
>
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Mon Apr  9 08:22:41 2012
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:22:41 -0400
Subject: Unicode Problem
In-Reply-To: <8941533F-E054-4817-BDA8-7265F7EE55FE@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
References: <4EA31F7D-EF22-415D-BD2B-8879F0BB499C@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
	<8941533F-E054-4817-BDA8-7265F7EE55FE@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <1A27E482-3C69-40EA-824D-A3EBA20907E0@kenjikojima.com>

Hi Takashi-san,

try this

	set the unicodeText of fld "result" to the unicodeText of fld "temp" 

Best,
--
Kenji Kojima / ????
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Takashi Yoshino wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I found that the unicode function on LC 5.0.2 DOES works,
> But, the unicode function on LC.5.5.1 DOES NOT work.
> 
> Here is a simple sample using Unicode.
> 
> On LC 5.0.2 does works well, but LC 5.5.1 does not work.
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to fld "temp" 
> end mouseUp
> 
> _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ 
> Takashi Yoshino 
> http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/
> Tel: +81-73-457-8441
> 
> On 2012/04/06, at 18:38, Takashi Yoshino wrote:
> 
>> Hi, expert!
>> 
>> I am very glad to add some functions of unicode in LC 5.5.
>> 
>> I use them, and I have some problems about the functions.
>> 
>> If you use the unicode functions, please give me some information.
>> 
>> 1.  put unicode function
>> 
>> Here is my script.
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  put fld "Q1" into theUniData
>>  put unicode "???" into fld "A1"
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> I am sorry, I used Japanese character in the script.
>> In LC 5.5, I can use Japanese text in the script ! It is great! 
>> 
>> But, the result of the script is bat.
>> Wrong character appeared in the field.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. set the unicode text
>> 
>> Here is my script.
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>>  put "A1.txt" into theFileName
>>  put AbsolutePathFromStack(theFileName) into theFullPath
>> 
>>  open file theFullPath
>>  read from file theFullPath until EOF
>>  set the unicodeText of fld "A1" to it
>>  close file theFullPath
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> I want read some Japanese from a file.
>> 
>> LC can read text and put them into the field.
>> Almost is OK.
>> 
>> But there is not line feed in the text.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you use unicode function, please give me some information.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ 
>> Takashi Yoshino 
>> http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/
>> Tel: +81-73-457-8441
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Mon Apr  9 08:58:35 2012
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:58:35 -0400
Subject: Unicode Problem
In-Reply-To: <8941533F-E054-4817-BDA8-7265F7EE55FE@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
References: <4EA31F7D-EF22-415D-BD2B-8879F0BB499C@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
	<8941533F-E054-4817-BDA8-7265F7EE55FE@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <67256C23-024B-48A0-B2CE-B305C75CC6A8@kenjikojima.com>

Hi Takashi-san,


>> 2. set the unicode text
>> 
>> Here is my script.
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>>  put "A1.txt" into theFileName
>>  put AbsolutePathFromStack(theFileName) into theFullPath
>> 
>>  open file theFullPath
>>  read from file theFullPath until EOF
>>  set the unicodeText of fld "A1" to it
>>  close file theFullPath
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> I want read some Japanese from a file.


If your Japanese text file is "UTF 8" 

on mouseUp
   answer file "" 
   put url ("file:" & it) into tUrl 
   set the unicodeText of field 1 to uniencode(tUrl, utf8)
end mouseUp


best,
--
Kenji Kojima / ????
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Apr  9 09:35:10 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:35:10 +0200
Subject: play sound from url on iOS
Message-ID: <408775F3-B4E9-499A-AC23-EA6A66A8F1FF@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

short question, is it possible to play a sound file from an URL in iOS? 
If yes, what do I need to use: "play ..." or "iphonePlaySoundOnChannel..."?

The docs do not mention URL, only in the "Video playback" section.

Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Apr  9 10:12:21 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:12:21 +0200
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
Message-ID: <7E43ECFB-17AA-4ADF-9D1E-949FA8AD0861@mac.com>

Sorry for the waste of bandwidth - I found it in the end: it's all to do with undetected errors in the code. In one case I had a badly formed statement that compiled without problems - I had put 'to' instead of 'into' - so the rest of the handler was skipped; in another case I had called iPhoneControlSet with a bad parameter, which again caused the script to stop executing.

I find this kind of debugging tough: I am using very clunky debugging methods because I have not yet understood the following (from the LC iOS Release Notes):

> There is, however, a simple means of logging from an emulated target device. The LiveCode command form:
> 
> put string
> 
> Will write the string out to the standard error stream. These messages will be visible in Console.app when running in the simulator, and in the Console tab of the Xcode Organizer for a given target device while it is connected to the host computer.

All these tests have just been with the 5.1 iPhone simulator, and I haven't yet found the Console app. Can anyone help me?

Graham

I wrote:

> I'm trying to create some native iOS controls as part of a series of experiments, using the iPhone form factor. Among other things, I'm trying to create a scroller.  I seem to have fallen at the first fence. Within a preOpenCard handler for the first and only card in the stack, I use this bit of script which I got from an LC example ('Mobile Scroller Example') which works fine in the 5.1 iPhone simulator on my setup:
> 
>  if the environment is not "mobile" then
>      exit preOpenCard
>   end if
>      iphoneControlCreate "scroller"
>      put the result into theScID
> 
> after this of course come a lot of iPhoneControlSet statements.
> 
> The ONLY difference that I can see between the example that works and mine is that I have invented a new name for my scroller ID. Both examples appear to have the same iOS standalone parameters, both compile apparently error-free and the Simulator launches each one quite happily. Nevertheless, I can show that in my case the ID is empty and that there's no sign of the native control appearing on the card. I tried it with a native text control too (iPhoneControlCreate "input") - same result. The control never appears and the ID is empty.



From cmsheffield at me.com  Mon Apr  9 10:28:18 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:28:18 -0600
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <7E43ECFB-17AA-4ADF-9D1E-949FA8AD0861@mac.com>
References: <7E43ECFB-17AA-4ADF-9D1E-949FA8AD0861@mac.com>
Message-ID: <53EF0874-8008-4DB8-A8FB-A17EB350C97F@me.com>

Console is located in /Applications/Utilities.  You can also debug this way when running your app on a device. Simply open Xcode, and under your connected device, click the Console icon. Note that the Console application is used when you're running in the simulator, and the Console in Xcode is used when running your app on a physical device. Sometimes I get confused and wonder why I'm not seeing output in one or the other. :-)

Chris


On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Sorry for the waste of bandwidth - I found it in the end: it's all to do with undetected errors in the code. In one case I had a badly formed statement that compiled without problems - I had put 'to' instead of 'into' - so the rest of the handler was skipped; in another case I had called iPhoneControlSet with a bad parameter, which again caused the script to stop executing.
> 
> I find this kind of debugging tough: I am using very clunky debugging methods because I have not yet understood the following (from the LC iOS Release Notes):
> 
>> There is, however, a simple means of logging from an emulated target device. The LiveCode command form:
>> 
>> put string
>> 
>> Will write the string out to the standard error stream. These messages will be visible in Console.app when running in the simulator, and in the Console tab of the Xcode Organizer for a given target device while it is connected to the host computer.
> 
> All these tests have just been with the 5.1 iPhone simulator, and I haven't yet found the Console app. Can anyone help me?
> 
> Graham
> 
> I wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to create some native iOS controls as part of a series of experiments, using the iPhone form factor. Among other things, I'm trying to create a scroller.  I seem to have fallen at the first fence. Within a preOpenCard handler for the first and only card in the stack, I use this bit of script which I got from an LC example ('Mobile Scroller Example') which works fine in the 5.1 iPhone simulator on my setup:
>> 
>> if the environment is not "mobile" then
>>     exit preOpenCard
>>  end if
>>     iphoneControlCreate "scroller"
>>     put the result into theScID
>> 
>> after this of course come a lot of iPhoneControlSet statements.
>> 
>> The ONLY difference that I can see between the example that works and mine is that I have invented a new name for my scroller ID. Both examples appear to have the same iOS standalone parameters, both compile apparently error-free and the Simulator launches each one quite happily. Nevertheless, I can show that in my case the ID is empty and that there's no sign of the native control appearing on the card. I tried it with a native text control too (iPhoneControlCreate "input") - same result. The control never appears and the ID is empty.
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr  9 10:56:03 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:56:03 -0400
Subject: MobGui Rotation Problem
Message-ID: <CADCoycP2FbVKXsXi=JSh=LaukKco_H3R8FePcZ5i1QURun=jkg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody else noticed a problem with MobGui with using rotated devices?
I have made both portrait and landscape cards.  Then I fire up the
simulator to test my app, and rotate.  The first card looks good.  When I
switch to a second card, though, although the screen is rotated, MG has
loaded the template for the other orientation.

Thinking I might have done something to break MG I created a brand new
stack, made sure that the MG code was in the card script of both cards, and
tried it again.  It still fails.

I've also tested on real devices to the same result.

Suggestions?


From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Apr  9 10:56:19 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:56:19 +0200
Subject: iOS: deleting a line from a field
Message-ID: <D75BF7A6-4BAF-4B12-BB8A-CC3D0E6E0FCE@mac.com>

I have found that, for me, this line of script applied to a list field where the user has selected a line:

   delete the selectedLine

works differently in the iOS environment compared to the IDE and desktop environments. In the IDE etc, the statement deletes the line and closes the gap remaining, but in iOS it doesn't close the gap but leaves a blank line! I don't know if this is a bug or one of the numerous errors I find myself making. I have anyway found a workaround, which is to replace the above script with something like this:

   put the selectedChunk into t1 -- this looks like e.g. 'char 5 to 25 of fld 4'
   add 1 to word 4 of t1 -- to include the return at the end of the line
   do "delete" && t3

Should the original script have worked?

Graham



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 11:07:39 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:07:39 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <A8749068-3146-4AC8-A622-D233CD081D01@sonsothunder.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
	<AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A8749068-3146-4AC8-A622-D233CD081D01@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F82FB3B.8030500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/9/12 2:22 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/12 9:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> local sScrollerID
>>> on ShowScroller pViewRect,pContentHt
>>>     -- pViewRect is the rect of the group that contains the scrolling list field I'm overlaying
>>>     -- pContentHt is the total height of the content of the scrolling list field as if it didn't
>>>     --    need to scroll
>>>     if the platform is "iphone" then
>>>        put "0,0,"&   (item 3 of pViewRect)&   ","&   pContentHt into tContentRect
>>
>> I still haven't figured out why the rect always has to start at "0,0". You'd think it would start at the topleft of the scrollable group but that doesn't work.
>
> I think it needs to be relative to the topleft of the scrollable group, just like objects on a card are relative to the topleft of the card.

That would make sense, but then how come we can pass the right edge of 
the group (card-relative) as the third parameter? Shouldn't the third 
param be the width of the group?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Mon Apr  9 11:08:20 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:08:20 +0100
Subject: iOS: deleting a line from a field
In-Reply-To: <D75BF7A6-4BAF-4B12-BB8A-CC3D0E6E0FCE@mac.com>
References: <D75BF7A6-4BAF-4B12-BB8A-CC3D0E6E0FCE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W5410E54C10EA8EF66EED93ED370@phx.gbl>


Using delete removes the line, but when using a scroller in iOS then readjust the height of the field that contains your lines and the rect theat the scroller should cover...:-)

Dixie

       delete line lineCheck of fld 1
      /* readjust the heights that need to be scrolled */
      set the height of fld 1 to the formattedheight of fld 1
      iphoneControlSet scrollid, "contentRect", (0, 0, the width of fld 1, the formattedheight of fld 1)

> I have found that, for me, this line of script applied to a list field where the user has selected a line:
> 
>    delete the selectedLine
> 
> works differently in the iOS environment compared to the IDE and desktop environments. In the IDE etc, the statement deletes the line and closes the gap remaining, but in iOS it doesn't close the gap but leaves a blank line! I don't know if this is a bug or one of the numerous errors I find myself making. I have anyway found a workaround, which is to replace the above script with something like this:
> 
>    put the selectedChunk into t1 -- this looks like e.g. 'char 5 to 25 of fld 4'
>    add 1 to word 4 of t1 -- to include the return at the end of the line
>    do "delete" && t3
> 
> Should the original script have worked?
> 
> Graham

 		 	   		  

From henshaw at me.com  Mon Apr  9 11:11:11 2012
From: henshaw at me.com (Andrew Henshaw)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:11:11 +0100
Subject: MobGui Rotation Problem
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP2FbVKXsXi=JSh=LaukKco_H3R8FePcZ5i1QURun=jkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP2FbVKXsXi=JSh=LaukKco_H3R8FePcZ5i1QURun=jkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32C186FA-F47C-4CA8-9A99-9E1D83AC2226@me.com>

Have you tried turning the statusbar on and off in Mobgui?  That has worked for me.

It seems to store the geometry for each,  then occasionally does not detect the correct one when the device is rotated.  If you turn the setting off and then on again for each card the geometry data is copied to the other state and it might help.

This in turn causes other problems later when you have updated the cards and wonder why they are updated in the IDE and not on the device (until you repeat the turn status bar off then back on to reset the geometry data again).

Id love to be able to tell Mobgui what to use rather than have it guess (or just turn the feature off entirely),  as especially on Android the reported screen sizes are not consistent and you have to create layouts for every possible scenario.



On 9 Apr 2012, at 15:56, Mike Kerner wrote:

> Has anybody else noticed a problem with MobGui with using rotated devices?
> I have made both portrait and landscape cards.  Then I fire up the
> simulator to test my app, and rotate.  The first card looks good.  When I
> switch to a second card, though, although the screen is rotated, MG has
> loaded the template for the other orientation.
> 
> Thinking I might have done something to break MG I created a brand new
> stack, made sure that the MG code was in the card script of both cards, and
> tried it again.  It still fails.
> 
> I've also tested on real devices to the same result.
> 
> Suggestions?
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 11:18:58 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:18:58 -0500
Subject: Windows tab buttons
Message-ID: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>

On Mac I can set a background pattern on a tab button. I can also make 
the tab button non-opaque so a card image shows through. I can't do 
either of those on a Windows tab button, which seems to always be opaque 
and never accepts a background pattern.

Has anyone found a way to trick the system into showing a pattern?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr  9 11:25:58 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:25:58 -0400
Subject: MobGui Rotation Problem
In-Reply-To: <32C186FA-F47C-4CA8-9A99-9E1D83AC2226@me.com>
References: <CADCoycP2FbVKXsXi=JSh=LaukKco_H3R8FePcZ5i1QURun=jkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<32C186FA-F47C-4CA8-9A99-9E1D83AC2226@me.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNSyzbCscJeg2WEXnvrP8pcPWZOu=iSeFbfe5x772G9Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew,
As you're probably aware, MG stores the with/without status bar as another
resolution group (you can find them in the custom properties of each card).



It's certainly not perfect, but it's a little better.  It seems now like
objects (that appear correct when laying them out) do not obtain the proper
positions and sizes on the first pass into a card after a reorient, but on
a second visit they seem to get fixed.

Thanks for the suggestion...
-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Apr  9 11:39:30 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:39:30 -0400
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <4F82FB3B.8030500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>	<AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>	<4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>	<A8749068-3146-4AC8-A622-D233CD081D01@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F82FB3B.8030500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01cd1666$f47b50d0$dd71f270$@net>

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:08 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: iOS Control Instantiation problem

On 4/9/12 2:22 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/12 9:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> local sScrollerID
>>> on ShowScroller pViewRect,pContentHt
>>>     -- pViewRect is the rect of the group that contains the scrolling
list field I'm overlaying
>>>     -- pContentHt is the total height of the content of the scrolling
list field as if it didn't
>>>     --    need to scroll
>>>     if the platform is "iphone" then
>>>        put "0,0,"&   (item 3 of pViewRect)&   ","&   pContentHt into
tContentRect
>>
>> I still haven't figured out why the rect always has to start at "0,0".
You'd think it would start at the topleft of the scrollable group but that
doesn't work.
>
> I think it needs to be relative to the topleft of the scrollable group,
just like objects on a card are relative to the topleft of the card.

>That would make sense, but then how come we can pass the right edge of the
group (card-relative) as the third parameter? Shouldn't the third param be
the width of the >group?

If the left side of the group and scrollable region (rect) are on screen and
> 0 then passing the right edge of the group (card-relative) as the third
parameter of the contentrect will just make the virtual horizontal
scrollable region a little wider than needed.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 14:10:18 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:10:18 -0500
Subject: Pattern draw changes
Message-ID: <4F83260A.5040801@hyperactivesw.com>

The 5.x docs say a change has been made to how patterns are drawn:

> Prior to 5.0.0-dp-2, the origin of a pattern
> (where it starts tiling from) is the top left of the object from
> which the pattern is inherited. For example, the means that the
> origin of a pattern of a graphic inherited from the card will be the
> top left of the card, rather than the top left of the graphic.

> AS of 5.0.0-dp-2, this functionality has been altered for objects
> with 'dynamic' layerMode (and for objects within a group with
> 'dynamic' layerMode). The origin of the patterns of such objects is
> now the top left of the object itself, irrespective of where the
> pattern is set.

I tried both static and dynamic objects with a backpattern set, and the 
pattern origin looks identical both ways, with the origin always 
starting at the topleft of the object. What changed?

My goal is to have the pattern align with the card backpattern no matter 
where the oject is located on the card.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr  9 16:43:19 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:43:19 -0400
Subject: MobGUI issue - Objects Wrong Size On First Pass?
Message-ID: <CADCoycOux8+xjaZmoQDivVAeW7ZSQKBWVymzUDCU025xTmd3TQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a MG project with several different orientations/resolutions/etc.
set up for the different iOS devices.

I noticed in testing that my higher resolution cards render at the iPhone
(NON-retina) settings on the first pass.  If I navigate away from the card
that has the wrongly-rendered objects on them and then return, they render
correctly.

Has anyone else experienced this and/or worked around it?


From cmsheffield at me.com  Mon Apr  9 17:55:51 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:55:51 -0600
Subject: does Data Grid have a formattedHeight property?
Message-ID: <40636682-92C0-4FDB-B29D-20ACDE83E10A@me.com>

I'm trying to set the height of a data grid based on the formattedHeight property, but as far as I can tell, the formattedHeight of a data grid returns the height. Is this a bug or by design? If by design, is there some other way I can accomplish this? Trevor, are you listening? :-)

Thanks,
Chris


--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  9 18:06:44 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:06:44 -0700
Subject: Windows tab buttons
In-Reply-To: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:18:58 AM, you wrote:

> On Mac I can set a background pattern on a tab button. I can also make
> the tab button non-opaque so a card image shows through. I can't do 
> either of those on a Windows tab button, which seems to always be opaque
> and never accepts a background pattern.

> Has anyone found a way to trick the system into showing a pattern?

Tab buttons on Windows *do* accept background patterns, and you can
change the blending level.

Tab buttons on linux *do not* accept background patterns or colors,
but you can set the blending level.

You can set the opaque property of a tab button on Windows or linux
but it has no effect. You *can* set the icon of a tab button from the
messagebox, but I don't know whether that helps you or not.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 18:34:34 2012
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:34:34 +0200
Subject: does Data Grid have a formattedHeight property?
In-Reply-To: <40636682-92C0-4FDB-B29D-20ACDE83E10A@me.com>
References: <40636682-92C0-4FDB-B29D-20ACDE83E10A@me.com>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDqb42xx3jfR4Huu7=wYgG7PprQUs3k+RrWc3FGHHEQPhg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to set the height of a data grid based on the formattedHeight property, but as far as I can tell, the formattedHeight of a data grid returns the height. Is this a bug or by design? If by design, is there some other way I can accomplish this? Trevor, are you listening? :-)

Have a look to the dgFormattedHeight property in the datagrid API:

http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7344-data-grid-api


Best Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From cmsheffield at me.com  Mon Apr  9 18:46:46 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:46:46 -0600
Subject: does Data Grid have a formattedHeight property?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDqb42xx3jfR4Huu7=wYgG7PprQUs3k+RrWc3FGHHEQPhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40636682-92C0-4FDB-B29D-20ACDE83E10A@me.com>
	<CANbzFDqb42xx3jfR4Huu7=wYgG7PprQUs3k+RrWc3FGHHEQPhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26B6547E-408A-45AD-B105-9A13ECF040CE@me.com>

Thank you! I figured it had to be there somewhere. Missed it on my first pass through the docs.


On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:34 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to set the height of a data grid based on the formattedHeight property, but as far as I can tell, the formattedHeight of a data grid returns the height. Is this a bug or by design? If by design, is there some other way I can accomplish this? Trevor, are you listening? :-)
> 
> Have a look to the dgFormattedHeight property in the datagrid API:
> 
> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7344-data-grid-api
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 18:53:10 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:53:10 -0500
Subject: Windows tab buttons
In-Reply-To: <76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F836856.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/9/12 5:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> Has anyone found a way to trick the system into showing a pattern?
>
> Tab buttons on Windows *do* accept background patterns, and you can
> change the blending level.

Thanks Mark. When I set the backpattern of a Windows tab button, nothing 
happens. I have toggled on and off the opaque with no effect (just in 
case.) All I see is the default system background.

I'm mostly testing in WinXP, which is what my client uses, but I did 
briefly try it in Win7; it didn't look any different. Does the version 
of LiveCode matter? This project is still in 5.02.

Or maybe it's Parallels not drawing it?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 19:35:57 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:35:57 +0900
Subject: how to do this type of search
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

A straightforward question, I think.

I have a list of 5 tab-delimited items per line. Each item can be
either a single word or a group of words separated by a "/".

Example:

abide	abode/abided	abode/abided/abidden	abides	abiding
alight	alit/alighted	alit/alighted	alights	alighting
arise	arose	arisen	arises	arising
awake	awoke	awoken	awakes	awaking
be	was/were	been	is	being

What I want my script to do is find which line contains an exact match
to a given item.

For example:

--  "is", on line 5
-- "alighted", on line 2

All I can think of is to use brute force and go thru the list item by item.

Maybe with "wholematches" or such, there's some faster way?

Thank you.
--
Nicolas Cueto



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Apr  9 20:19:49 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:19:49 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Message-ID: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>

Been putting together a litte script to get all my files ready for a
release and used the revZIPxxx commands to make a zip file of the LC
standalone program - this all on a Mac.  The resulting zip file is only 4kb
in size, obvioulsy not correct.

The code is pretty straightfroward:

   revZipOpenArchive myZipFile,"write"

   *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result

   *answer* file "Zip file"

   revZipAddItemWithFile myZipFile,"myApp.app",it

   *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result

   revZipCloseArchive myZipFile

Zipping the same file with the built-in OS X compress function works fine
and so does the CleanARchiver utitlity.

ANy ideas?

-- 
Pete
Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com>


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Mon Apr  9 20:40:02 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:40:02 +0100
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>



The 'lineOffset' function will be your friend here...

Dixie

> A straightforward question, I think.
> 
> I have a list of 5 tab-delimited items per line. Each item can be
> either a single word or a group of words separated by a "/".
> 
> Example:
> 
> abide	abode/abided	abode/abided/abidden	abides	abiding
> alight	alit/alighted	alit/alighted	alights	alighting
> arise	arose	arisen	arises	arising
> awake	awoke	awoken	awakes	awaking
> be	was/were	been	is	being
> 
> What I want my script to do is find which line contains an exact match
> to a given item.
> 
> For example:
> 
> --  "is", on line 5
> -- "alighted", on line 2
> 
> All I can think of is to use brute force and go thru the list item by item.
> 
> Maybe with "wholematches" or such, there's some faster way?
> 
> Thank you.
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> 
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Apr  9 21:05:36 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:05:36 -0700
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F838760.8080407@pdslabs.net>

Here is one simple way, assuming you have control over the word list:

    -- one-time prep - optimize list for searching
    local sMyWordList
    put url ("file:" & tPathToMyWords) into sMyWordList
    put tab before sMyWordList
    replace CR with (tab & CR & tab) in sMyWordList
    replace slash with (tab & slash & tab) in sMyWordList
    put tab after sMyWordList

    -- at search time
    set the wholeMatches to true -- not really required since we're including 
delimiters in the search string
    put lineOffset(tab & tWord & tab, sMyWordList) into tWordLineNumber

Phil Davis


On 4/9/12 5:40 PM, John Dixon wrote:
>
> The 'lineOffset' function will be your friend here...
>
> Dixie
>
>> A straightforward question, I think.
>>
>> I have a list of 5 tab-delimited items per line. Each item can be
>> either a single word or a group of words separated by a "/".
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> abide	abode/abided	abode/abided/abidden	abides	abiding
>> alight	alit/alighted	alit/alighted	alights	alighting
>> arise	arose	arisen	arises	arising
>> awake	awoke	awoken	awakes	awaking
>> be	was/were	been	is	being
>>
>> What I want my script to do is find which line contains an exact match
>> to a given item.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> --  "is", on line 5
>> -- "alighted", on line 2
>>
>> All I can think of is to use brute force and go thru the list item by item.
>>
>> Maybe with "wholematches" or such, there's some faster way?
>>
>> Thank you.
>> --
>> Nicolas Cueto
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>   		 	   		
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-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 21:06:54 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:06:54 +0900
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>

> The 'lineOffset' function will be your friend here...

If only it truly were that simple...

In my example, lineOffset would return "3" for "is". But "5" is what I'm after.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 21:23:15 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:23:15 -0400
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
	<CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF9237FF-7615-4246-BF86-21A2779022E4@gmail.com>

Set the wholematches to true before your search, then it will only locate the string when it is a whole word.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>> The 'lineOffset' function will be your friend here...
> 
> If only it truly were that simple...
> 
> In my example, lineOffset would return "3" for "is". But "5" is what I'm after.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  9 21:28:42 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:28:42 -0700
Subject: Windows tab buttons
In-Reply-To: <4F836856.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F836856.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <150997351359.20120409182842@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Monday, April 9, 2012, 3:53:10 PM, you wrote:

> Thanks Mark. When I set the backpattern of a Windows tab button, nothing
> happens. I have toggled on and off the opaque with no effect (just in
> case.) All I see is the default system background.

> I'm mostly testing in WinXP, which is what my client uses, but I did
> briefly try it in Win7; it didn't look any different. Does the version
> of LiveCode matter? This project is still in 5.02.

I tried this with 5.02 on XP just before posting to make sure I wasn't
misremembering something. I set a background pattern for the card,
then set a background pattern for the tab button. And set the blending
level down to 10 so I could see the psychedelic effect when I moved
the control around.

When you say you toggled the opaque control, you mean with the message
box, right? We're talking about the same control? Because there's no
opaque control for tab buttons on the property editor.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 21:28:40 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:28:40 -0400
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
	<CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com>

On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> 
> 
> If only it truly were that simple...
> 
> In my example, lineOffset would return "3" for "is". But "5" is what I'm after.

Sorry, setting the wholematches to true then doing lineoffset will get you whole matches for lines. Instead:

set the wholematches to true
put wordoffset("is",m) into ww
put the number of lines of word 1 to ww of m into whichline

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig






From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 21:33:29 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:33:29 -0600
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
	<CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com>

If using 5.5 there is also lineindex
put lineindex(wordoffset("is,m)) into ww
^-- should give the line the word is found on.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD <pmbrig at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If only it truly were that simple...
> >
> > In my example, lineOffset would return "3" for "is". But "5" is what I'm
> after.
>
> Sorry, setting the wholematches to true then doing lineoffset will get you
> whole matches for lines. Instead:
>
> set the wholematches to true
> put wordoffset("is",m) into ww
> put the number of lines of word 1 to ww of m into whichline
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  9 21:52:49 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:52:49 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <192998797968.20120409185249@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Monday, April 9, 2012, 5:19:49 PM, you wrote:

> Zipping the same file with the built-in OS X compress function works fine
> and so does the CleanARchiver utitlity.

> ANy ideas?

Don't bother with the revzip things. They've never worked very well.
You'll get better results and more features (folders and such) if you
shell out to zip or ditto.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 22:07:37 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:07:37 -0600
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
	<CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, i'm too fuzzy to answer questions lately. The proper method would be
put wordoffset("is",m) into ww -- m being the container
put lineindex(word ww of m) into tLine

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> If using 5.5 there is also lineindex
> put lineindex(wordoffset("is,m)) into ww
> ^-- should give the line the word is found on.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD <pmbrig at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > If only it truly were that simple...
>> >
>> > In my example, lineOffset would return "3" for "is". But "5" is what
>> I'm after.
>>
>> Sorry, setting the wholematches to true then doing lineoffset will get
>> you whole matches for lines. Instead:
>>
>> set the wholematches to true
>> put wordoffset("is",m) into ww
>> put the number of lines of word 1 to ww of m into whichline
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 22:26:56 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:26:56 -0500
Subject: Windows tab buttons
In-Reply-To: <150997351359.20120409182842@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F836856.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<150997351359.20120409182842@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F839A70.1050201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/9/12 8:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
>
> Monday, April 9, 2012, 3:53:10 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mark. When I set the backpattern of a Windows tab button, nothing
>> happens. I have toggled on and off the opaque with no effect (just in
>> case.) All I see is the default system background.
>
>> I'm mostly testing in WinXP, which is what my client uses, but I did
>> briefly try it in Win7; it didn't look any different. Does the version
>> of LiveCode matter? This project is still in 5.02.
>
> I tried this with 5.02 on XP just before posting to make sure I wasn't
> misremembering something. I set a background pattern for the card,
> then set a background pattern for the tab button. And set the blending
> level down to 10 so I could see the psychedelic effect when I moved
> the control around.
>
> When you say you toggled the opaque control, you mean with the message
> box, right? We're talking about the same control? Because there's no
> opaque control for tab buttons on the property editor.
>

Right, I set the opaque with the message box, just in case it mattered. 
We're using the same OS and the same LiveCode version so I'm not sure 
what's going on. The pattern shows up fine on my Mac. Maybe I'll just 
send the stack to my client and ask him what he sees.

Thanks for the confirmation though, it helps a lot.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From kee at kagi.com  Mon Apr  9 22:29:50 2012
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:29:50 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>

Or just use the Mac Archive or Compress menu item in the Finder. It works great.

Kee


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  9 22:36:49 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:36:49 -0500
Subject: Windows tab buttons
In-Reply-To: <150997351359.20120409182842@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F836856.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<150997351359.20120409182842@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F839CC1.6010601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/9/12 8:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> I tried this with 5.02 on XP just before posting to make sure I wasn't
> misremembering something.

Just an update: I made a new stack in Win XP with a single tab button, 
imported an image, hid it, and set the backpattern of the tab button to 
the ID of the image. There was no fill.

I think it must be Parallels. You can't get much simpler than what I did.

What emulator do you use again? Richard likes it. Maybe I should try that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Apr  9 22:37:51 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:37:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com><BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl><CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com><404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com><CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>



Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab,
as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that
window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would.


I cannot reproduce it, but it happens at least two or three times in a session. I can dismiss the window with cmd-W, but
this sometimes crashes LC.


Anyone else see this? I have to save often to prevent real data loss. Never heard of this before the upgrade.


Craig Newman
 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr  9 23:08:06 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:08:06 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <4F82FB3B.8030500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
	<AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A8749068-3146-4AC8-A622-D233CD081D01@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F82FB3B.8030500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3DEA4205-5F99-4FEF-BB39-B3DFB2FB0FAC@sonsothunder.com>


> That would make sense, but then how come we can pass the right edge of the group (card-relative) as the third parameter? Shouldn't the third param be the width of the group?

Yes, *if* you don't want horizontal scrolling with the scroller? here's a good example of how I use it with a Data Grid that has more columns than are visible and (of course) more rows than are visible ("grp 1" is my sample Data Grid):

   iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "rect", the rect of group 1
   put sum(the dgProps["column widths"] of grp 1) into tContentWidth
   put (the dgProp["row height"] of grp 1) * (the number of elements of the dgData of grp 1) into tContentHeight
   iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "contentRect", (0, 0, tContentWidth, tContentHeight)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr  9 23:11:18 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:11:18 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <3DEA4205-5F99-4FEF-BB39-B3DFB2FB0FAC@sonsothunder.com>
References: <F709D505-3076-40BF-9F75-1E765CA90296@mac.com>
	<AAA850DD-5949-451D-B810-0F0DC0190C0E@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F826D19.7070805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A8749068-3146-4AC8-A622-D233CD081D01@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F82FB3B.8030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3DEA4205-5F99-4FEF-BB39-B3DFB2FB0FAC@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <D3DAACAF-0B4C-4934-B5E0-D52B02C47A9B@sonsothunder.com>

>   iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "rect", the rect of group 1
>   put sum(the dgProps["column widths"] of grp 1) into tContentWidth
>   put (the dgProp["row height"] of grp 1) * (the number of elements of the dgData of grp 1) into tContentHeight
>   iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "contentRect", (0, 0, tContentWidth, tContentHeight)

or better yet (thanks zyrip!):

   iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "rect", the rect of group 1
   iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "contentRect", (0, 0, (the dgFormattedWidth of grp 1),(the dgFormattedHeight of grp 1))

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr  9 23:28:36 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:28:36 -0700
Subject: Windows tab buttons
In-Reply-To: <4F839CC1.6010601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F82FDE2.9090502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76985232765.20120409150644@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F836856.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<150997351359.20120409182842@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F839CC1.6010601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1061004545640.20120409202836@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Monday, April 9, 2012, 7:36:49 PM, you wrote:

> You can't get much simpler than what I did.

Yes you can. I didn't import an image, just used some of the built-in
patterns. Hang on. Yep, that worked for me as well.

> What emulator do you use again? Richard likes it. Maybe I should try that.

I use VirtualBox. I like it better than VMWare or Parallels. YMMV.
It's got its own annoying quirks, like the necessity of installing a
new version of the extensions every time a VirtualBox update comes
out. but it's fast and stable and robust and means I don't have to
have a Windows computer at work.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Apr  9 23:48:24 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:48:24 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>

tar (from the shell) works even better.

On 9 April 2012 19:29, Kee Nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:

> Or just use the Mac Archive or Compress menu item in the Finder. It works
> great.
>
> Kee
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr 10 00:18:44 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com><A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>



I have been doing this sort of thing for so many years, and still find the simplest things will not work.


OK. Someone tell me why I cannot choose the browse tool under script control upon opening a stack in a new session.
Wait. Maybe I should write an openstack or opencard handler that has "choose browse tool" in it.
Wait. That does not work. And the funny thing is that I can place all kinds of other stuff, beeps, text loads, whatever,
on both or either sides of that line, and though all the other stuff works fine, the tool will still start off as a pointer.


I will finally deliver this stack with "cantModify" set to true, so the problem will go away, but what on earth do I not know
in the meantime?


Craig Newman
 


From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 10 00:38:59 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:38:59 -0400
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com><A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net>

on openstack
   send "browsetool" to me in 1 tick
end openstack

on browsetool
   choose browse tool
end browse tool




From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Apr 10 01:43:27 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:43:27 -0500
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com><A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F83C87F.8020705@warrensweb.us>

On 04/09/2012 11:18 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>
>
> I have been doing this sort of thing for so many years, and still find the simplest things will not work.
>
>
> OK. Someone tell me why I cannot choose the browse tool under script control upon opening a stack in a new session.
> Wait. Maybe I should write an openstack or opencard handler that has "choose browse tool" in it.
> Wait. That does not work. And the funny thing is that I can place all kinds of other stuff, beeps, text loads, whatever,
> on both or either sides of that line, and though all the other stuff works fine, the tool will still start off as a pointer.
>
>
> I will finally deliver this stack with "cantModify" set to true, so the problem will go away, but what on earth do I not know
> in the meantime?
>
>
> Craig Newman
>

It sounds like you're launching Livecode by opening the stack. The 
problem is that the stack opens before the IDE is fully loaded and you 
are attempting to get the IDE to do something it's not ready for. 
Putting 'choose browse tool' into an openstack handler works fine here, 
so long as the IDE is open before the stack is opened, but not if I 
attempt to launch Livecode by opening the stack. Colin's script works, 
but you might notice the stack opens and when the IDE first opens, it is 
set to pointer and then switches to browse, which demonstrates the problem.

Warren



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 01:47:30 2012
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:47:30 -0500
Subject: Is this possible on iOS?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto1zcnApiFxZ+kTp-scRaTUHztu2YCa-iwjWBZzQb2uNw@mail.gmail.com>

For most of my apps I build a launcher that then loads the actual working
stack from a remote location. I assume that's impossible due to Apple's
restrictions on loading code remotely. But is it possible to save out a
stack from the app locally, allowing it to be saved periodically and loaded
locally at startup?


From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 03:12:43 2012
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:12:43 +1000
Subject: Is this possible on iOS?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto1zcnApiFxZ+kTp-scRaTUHztu2YCa-iwjWBZzQb2uNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto1zcnApiFxZ+kTp-scRaTUHztu2YCa-iwjWBZzQb2uNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3975679-724D-4FD8-A6A7-5A263983DB2A@gmail.com>

Yes.

Gerry



On 10/04/2012, at 3:47 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

>  But is it possible to save out a
> stack from the app locally, allowing it to be saved periodically and loaded
> locally at startup?



From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 03:20:45 2012
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:20:45 +1000
Subject: Is this possible on iOS?
In-Reply-To: <C3975679-724D-4FD8-A6A7-5A263983DB2A@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKto1zcnApiFxZ+kTp-scRaTUHztu2YCa-iwjWBZzQb2uNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3975679-724D-4FD8-A6A7-5A263983DB2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB916D8D-53CA-4616-A65B-0D703DC71A1B@gmail.com>

Try something like this (untested):

   if the environment contains "mobile" then
      put (specialFolderPath("engine") & "/yourStackInEngine.livecode") into EngineStack
      put url ("binfile:" & EngineStack) into EngineStackPath
      put EngineStackPath into url ("binfile:" &   (specialFolderPath("Documents") & "/yourStackOnDevice.livecode"))
      go stack specialFolderPath("Documents") & "/yourStackOnDevice.livecode"
   end if

Gerry



On 10/04/2012, at 5:12 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote:

> Yes.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:47 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> 
>> But is it possible to save out a
>> stack from the app locally, allowing it to be saved periodically and loaded
>> locally at startup?




From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Apr 10 07:42:50 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:42:50 +0200
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1333990801.10173.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1333990801.10173.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <237E864A-B533-4982-97AE-7C13A4B908AD@mac.com>

Thanks Chris, very helpful. I have not yet found out  how to filter the Console output so that I only see my own 'put' lines, but give me time...

IMNSHO the mother ship makes working with iOS unnecessarily difficult by not explaining things like this more clearly. There are a lot of not fully explained things in the iOS release notes - to take a small instance, I had to experiment to work out that  iphoneControlGet is a function, not a substitute for the 'get' command. It's a tiny point, but it makes getting familiar with a new environment just that bit more difficult. 

A much worse one is the description of the use of the scroller control, where they virtually give up explaining it in words and hand you over to an example. This is tough, because the concept is a very unfamiliar one - that the scroller is not a container but a kind of mask or overlay through which you see and control an underlying LC control. I am still struggling with this, especially as it apparently involves the 'unboundedScroll' concept, which itself is very badly explained in the docs, and indeed includes another undocumented concept, the 'clamping' of a scroll. This concept applies to a group, but not to a scrolling list, which is a mystery in itself. By copying the example as closely as possible, I have got something to work, which is not the same as saying I understand it fully.

Really none of the three available documents (Release Notes, User Guide, Dictionary) are much use here. Thank goodness for this list and the generosity of people on it.

Graham
  
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:28:18 -0600, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at me.com> wrote:

> Console is located in /Applications/Utilities.  You can also debug this way when running your app on a device. Simply open Xcode, and under your connected device, click the Console icon. Note that the Console application is used when you're running in the simulator, and the Console in Xcode is used when running your app on a physical device. Sometimes I get confused and wonder why I'm not seeing output in one or the other. :-)
> 
> Chris




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr 10 09:37:24 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:37:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com><A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com><CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com><8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
	<5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8CEE5363214D71E-17E0-7A55@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks all.


I figured this out too, though the explanation was most helpful.


When I say "figured it out", I meant I tried sending the command in time, well, just because.


In HC, the loading must be different, since one can choose, say, the field tool with a one-liner like I tried to do.


There are millions of legacy habits that I have, coming from a HC background, that I need to reThink. Thanks again for the help.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 12:39 am
Subject: Re: Browse tool. I give up.


on openstack
   send "browsetool" to me in 1 tick
end openstack

on browsetool
   choose browse tool
end browse tool


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From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Apr 10 09:37:46 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:37:46 +0200
Subject: Another iOS native control instantiation question
Message-ID: <103FAA1A-F267-4D51-AB77-FF0E08062654@mac.com>

Hi

Can someone confirm that if one moves from card to card in an iOS app, any native controls (such as text input) need to be instantiated as the card is opened, and destroyed when another card is shown? This is very unlike the behaviour of LC on other platforms, where a field remains a field whether it's shown or not, that I feel I may have missed a trick here.

Suppose for example one of my cards is dedicated to input of several small and essentially unrelated data items, with a lot of little one-line fields which the user has to fill in. When the user decides to invoke this feature of the app, the 'input' card appears. At this point, if it's as described (a lot of little essentially identical fields), then presumably I just have to create one single-line input control which will appear each time one of my fields get the focus, and script the handling of each input text accordingly: and when the user steers away from this card I should destroy the control.

Is this right, and what would happen if I didn't do the destroy? I ask here because I'm getting overwhelmed by the need to experiment for almost every aspect of the behaviour of my iOS device and I'm frankly keen to learn from others' experience.

TIA

Graham



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Apr 10 10:07:49 2012
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:07:49 -0400
Subject: Looks like runrev.com is down
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMz3Sn+mO6af52tT-eoMeY-nBNeBxjvKau1gwU0R=i7pQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.isup.me/runrev.com

~Roger


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 10:09:37 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:09:37 -0600
Subject: Looks like runrev.com is down
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXMz3Sn+mO6af52tT-eoMeY-nBNeBxjvKau1gwU0R=i7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXMz3Sn+mO6af52tT-eoMeY-nBNeBxjvKau1gwU0R=i7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpZn9gPNhKv8if+fAgDV4FqNg3xmWW7nh5Z7yF6GohE9g@mail.gmail.com>

yeah just noticed myself. Its toast at the moment.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:

> http://www.isup.me/runrev.com
>
> ~Roger
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From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp  Tue Apr 10 10:11:06 2012
From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:11:06 +0900
Subject: Unicode Problem
In-Reply-To: <67256C23-024B-48A0-B2CE-B305C75CC6A8@kenjikojima.com>
References: <4EA31F7D-EF22-415D-BD2B-8879F0BB499C@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
	<8941533F-E054-4817-BDA8-7265F7EE55FE@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>
	<67256C23-024B-48A0-B2CE-B305C75CC6A8@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <78D483F5-A18D-4688-A84F-5A9EAE61739D@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp>

Hi, Kojima!

Your script is perfect!

Thank you for your help!

_.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ 
Takashi Yoshino 
http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/
Tel: +81-73-457-8441

On 2012/04/09, at 21:58, Kenji Kojima wrote:

> Hi Takashi-san,
> 
> 
>>> 2. set the unicode text
>>> 
>>> Here is my script.
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>> 
>>> put "A1.txt" into theFileName
>>> put AbsolutePathFromStack(theFileName) into theFullPath
>>> 
>>> open file theFullPath
>>> read from file theFullPath until EOF
>>> set the unicodeText of fld "A1" to it
>>> close file theFullPath
>>> 
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> I want read some Japanese from a file.
> 
> 
> If your Japanese text file is "UTF 8" 
> 
> on mouseUp
>   answer file "" 
>   put url ("file:" & it) into tUrl 
>   set the unicodeText of field 1 to uniencode(tUrl, utf8)
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> best,
> --
> Kenji Kojima / ????
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
> 
> 
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Apr 10 10:13:49 2012
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:13:49 -0400
Subject: Looks like runrev.com is down
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpZn9gPNhKv8if+fAgDV4FqNg3xmWW7nh5Z7yF6GohE9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXMz3Sn+mO6af52tT-eoMeY-nBNeBxjvKau1gwU0R=i7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpZn9gPNhKv8if+fAgDV4FqNg3xmWW7nh5Z7yF6GohE9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOcEiwq7VAG9Gz32ej7Rgk70y0OMdKNJLRCmR_J0YOXTw@mail.gmail.com>

And now it's back.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah just noticed myself. Its toast at the moment.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
> >wrote:
>
> > http://www.isup.me/runrev.com
> >
> > ~Roger


From meitnik at bellsouth.net  Tue Apr 10 10:26:41 2012
From: meitnik at bellsouth.net (Andrew Meit)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:26:41 -0400
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4484.1334065055.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.4484.1334065055.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DF963553-A6B3-4859-B460-BC49E11F51D3@bellsouth.net>

I agree fully with you Graham. Its what has been holding me back for doing work with ios. I admire and thank those who can wrestle with the docs and ins/outs of Apple stuff dealing with ios. Here is an idea, provide free (many year agreement) copies of LC mobile to a school/classroom that develops lots of example stacks/docs to help others master developing on mobile lc. It would be a win-win for all.

On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Chris, very helpful. I have not yet found out  how to filter the Console output so that I only see my own 'put' lines, but give me time...
> 
> IMNSHO the mother ship makes working with iOS unnecessarily difficult by not explaining things like this more clearly. There are a lot of not fully explained things in the iOS release notes - to take a small instance, I had to experiment to work out that  iphoneControlGet is a function, not a substitute for the 'get' command. It's a tiny point, but it makes getting familiar with a new environment just that bit more difficult. 
> 
> A much worse one is the description of the use of the scroller control, where they virtually give up explaining it in words and hand you over to an example. This is tough, because the concept is a very unfamiliar one - that the scroller is not a container but a kind of mask or overlay through which you see and control an underlying LC control. I am still struggling with this, especially as it apparently involves the 'unboundedScroll' concept, which itself is very badly explained in the docs, and indeed includes another undocumented concept, the 'clamping' of a scroll. This concept applies to a group, but not to a scrolling list, which is a mystery in itself. By copying the example as closely as possible, I have got something to work, which is not the same as saying I understand it fully.
> 
> Really none of the three available documents (Release Notes, User Guide, Dictionary) are much use here. Thank goodness for this list and the generosity of people on it.
> 
> Graham




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 11:25:07 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:25:07 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9mvN3oQxS237zwwTJUxcA_=SDZqLt-BLYrbiTFiK1GTjw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys.  I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other steps
involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved
message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands.

I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across with
the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a
Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive -
.dstore if I remember correctly.  I found a program named CleanArchiver
that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to
automate things using an external program.

I'll give tar a try.

Pete

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> tar (from the shell) works even better.
>
> On 9 April 2012 19:29, Kee Nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:
>
> > Or just use the Mac Archive or Compress menu item in the Finder. It works
> > great.
> >
> > Kee
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>
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>
>
>
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> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 10 11:28:20 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:28:20 -0500
Subject: iOS Control Instantiation problem
In-Reply-To: <DF963553-A6B3-4859-B460-BC49E11F51D3@bellsouth.net>
References: <mailman.4484.1334065055.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DF963553-A6B3-4859-B460-BC49E11F51D3@bellsouth.net>
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Graham Samuel<livfoss at mac.com>  wrote:

>
> I have not yet found out  how to filter
> the Console output so that I only see my own 'put' lines, but give
> me time...

Put the name of your app in the "filter" field.

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 11:30:31 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:30:31 +0200
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com><BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl><CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com><404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com><CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F615AC24-CF1B-4816-B9A0-FB2AEA7AC155@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Craig,

I use LC 5.0.2 and earlier and have problem with the script editor whenever an error occurs in e.g. a resizeStack handler. When this happens, I usually activate a different application and click in the red close button while LiveCode is in the background. This closes the script window and allows me to continue working. This seems very similar to your observations. I am sure that the cause is a scripting error somewhere in the script editor.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 10 apr 2012, at 04:37, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab,
> as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that
> window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would.
> 
> 
> I cannot reproduce it, but it happens at least two or three times in a session. I can dismiss the window with cmd-W, but
> this sometimes crashes LC.
> 
> 
> Anyone else see this? I have to save often to prevent real data loss. Never heard of this before the upgrade.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 10 11:39:59 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:39:59 +0200
Subject: play sound from url on iOS
In-Reply-To: <408775F3-B4E9-499A-AC23-EA6A66A8F1FF@major.on-rev.com>
References: <408775F3-B4E9-499A-AC23-EA6A66A8F1FF@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <7618FDEA-0CC8-402E-9AB2-750D662E6E74@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

Am 09.04.2012 um 15:35 schrieb Klaus on-rev:

> Hi friends,
> 
> short question, is it possible to play a sound file from an URL in iOS? 
> If yes, what do I need to use: "play ..." or "iphonePlaySoundOnChannel..."?
> 
> The docs do not mention URL, only in the "Video playback" section.
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance!

noone done this before? :-)

I don't have an iOS license nor an iDevice to check this in the moment!


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 11:39:48 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:39:48 +0200
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9mvN3oQxS237zwwTJUxcA_=SDZqLt-BLYrbiTFiK1GTjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABx6j9mvN3oQxS237zwwTJUxcA_=SDZqLt-BLYrbiTFiK1GTjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B1D6C60-F5CF-4EFC-9A7B-78F375C59ACF@economy-x-talk.com>

Pete,

This is a line from my Compression Tool software. It zips without the .DS_Store files. Item -1 of fld "File" is the name of a file or folder in the current defaultFolder.

put "zip -r" && quote & myZipFile & quote  && quote & item -1 of fld "File" & quote && " -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon*" into myShell

Installer Maker compresses all embedded files with the compress() function. Compressing the resulting installer again hardly saves any space. The compress() function is very efficient.


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 10 apr 2012, at 17:25, Pete wrote:

> Thanks guys.  I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other steps
> involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved
> message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands.
> 
> I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across with
> the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a
> Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive -
> .dstore if I remember correctly.  I found a program named CleanArchiver
> that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to
> automate things using an external program.
> 
> I'll give tar a try.
> 
> Pete
> 




From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Apr 10 12:51:55 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:51:55 +0200
Subject: Another iOS native control instantiation question
Message-ID: <F31FE279-EC8C-4604-85F2-CD0969FAF6DA@mac.com>

Just to add to my message below, I have an interesting (at least to me!) real-life example. In my iOS app, I have a card with a scrolling list on it (an instantiated native control) and an action when a user touches one of the lines in the scrolled list which includes cloning some template cards in the stack and then returning to the original card. At this point in the app, the user only sees the original card because the cloning is hidden by a 'lock screen'.

I found that this meant that the preOpenCard message for the card was being invoked every time I did a set of clones and then returned to the original card - this is correct behaviour from the engine's point of view. I was able to use a switch (a custom property) checked in the preOpenCard handler to prevent the destruction and recreation of the scroller on this card during the cloning sequence. It works, which seems to show that you don't **have to** destroy native controls when you leave a card, and they will be waiting for you when you come back. This makes me even more confused about the necessity to destroy native controls.

Graham

I wrote:

> Can someone confirm that if one moves from card to card in an iOS app, any native controls (such as text input) need to be instantiated as the card is opened, and destroyed when another card is shown? This is very unlike the behaviour of LC on other platforms, where a field remains a field whether it's shown or not, that I feel I may have missed a trick here.
> 
> Suppose for example one of my cards is dedicated to input of several small and essentially unrelated data items, with a lot of little one-line fields which the user has to fill in. When the user decides to invoke this feature of the app, the 'input' card appears. At this point, if it's as described (a lot of little essentially identical fields), then presumably I just have to create one single-line input control which will appear each time one of my fields get the focus, and script the handling of each input text accordingly: and when the user steers away from this card I should destroy the control.
> 
> Is this right, and what would happen if I didn't do the destroy? I ask here because I'm getting overwhelmed by the need to experiment for almost every aspect of the behaviour of my iOS device and I'm frankly keen to learn from others' experience.



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 12:51:46 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:51:46 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <9B1D6C60-F5CF-4EFC-9A7B-78F375C59ACF@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABx6j9mvN3oQxS237zwwTJUxcA_=SDZqLt-BLYrbiTFiK1GTjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B1D6C60-F5CF-4EFC-9A7B-78F375C59ACF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9nhD-KRA8hamj21RtSdDb1GvVQNLDbiaE-MdGpmnXswiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark, I'll take a look.
Pete

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Pete,
>
> This is a line from my Compression Tool software. It zips without the
> .DS_Store files. Item -1 of fld "File" is the name of a file or folder in
> the current defaultFolder.
>
> put "zip -r" && quote & myZipFile & quote  && quote & item -1 of fld
> "File" & quote && " -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon*" into myShell
>
> Installer Maker compresses all embedded files with the compress()
> function. Compressing the resulting installer again hardly saves any space.
> The compress() function is very efficient.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6
>
> On 10 apr 2012, at 17:25, Pete wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys.  I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other
> steps
> > involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved
> > message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands.
> >
> > I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across
> with
> > the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a
> > Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive -
> > .dstore if I remember correctly.  I found a program named CleanArchiver
> > that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to
> > automate things using an external program.
> >
> > I'll give tar a try.
> >
> > Pete
> >
>
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Apr 10 13:02:09 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:02:09 +0200
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
Message-ID: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630@mac.com>

Sometimes one sees apps (on different platforms) where the user is invited to type something into a field, and the field is pre-filled with a text which disappears the moment the user starts typing - the initial text says stuff like 'type your name here'. This type of text is not preselected (apparently) - so it must be a special type of text, but I don't know how to make it appear. Specifically, in LC's iOS implementation, the 'ask' dialog scripting looks like this:

ask [ question | password ] prompt [ with initialAnswer ] [ titled title ]    

so the question resolves to: how do I make the initialAnswer text a 'ghost' text such as I have described, or is it impossible?

Graham



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 13:19:13 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:19:13 +0200
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630@mac.com>
References: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C532EB21-FC3C-4801-822F-C3007DD34197@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Graham,

You can't do exactly what you want with the ask dialog, but the default text is select disappears as soon as the user starts typing. In msot cases, that should do the job.

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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 10 apr 2012, at 19:02, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Sometimes one sees apps (on different platforms) where the user is invited to type something into a field, and the field is pre-filled with a text which disappears the moment the user starts typing - the initial text says stuff like 'type your name here'. This type of text is not preselected (apparently) - so it must be a special type of text, but I don't know how to make it appear. Specifically, in LC's iOS implementation, the 'ask' dialog scripting looks like this:
> 
> ask [ question | password ] prompt [ with initialAnswer ] [ titled title ]    
> 
> so the question resolves to: how do I make the initialAnswer text a 'ghost' text such as I have described, or is it impossible?
> 
> Graham




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr 10 13:22:30 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <F615AC24-CF1B-4816-B9A0-FB2AEA7AC155@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com><BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl><CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com><404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com><CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com><CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com><8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <8CEE555A459DB77-17E0-97F9@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>

Mark.


But have you seen the actual behavior I explained? That dragging in the titleBar to try to move the window instead changes the width of that window?


I will keep in mind what you said. I have tried this, I think, or at least must have in the scramble to try to restore order. I certainly went back to the finder. Sometimes I can, sometimes I have to force quit. It is one of the few times I get an "unexpected quit" message with its concomitant messages and offers to relaunch and send error reports






-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:33 am
Subject: Re: Script editor instability


Hi Craig,

I use LC 5.0.2 and earlier and have problem with the script editor whenever an 
error occurs in e.g. a resizeStack handler. When this happens, I usually 
activate a different application and click in the red close button while 
LiveCode is in the background. This closes the script window and allows me to 
continue working. This seems very similar to your observations. I am sure that 
the cause is a scripting error somewhere in the script editor.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 10 apr 2012, at 04:37, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. 
Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab,
> as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the 
script editor window only results in resizing that
> window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real 
resize tab would.
> 
> 
> I cannot reproduce it, but it happens at least two or three times in a 
session. I can dismiss the window with cmd-W, but
> this sometimes crashes LC.
> 
> 
> Anyone else see this? I have to save often to prevent real data loss. Never 
heard of this before the upgrade.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman


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From giulio at cantoberon.it  Tue Apr 10 13:25:04 2012
From: giulio at cantoberon.it (Giulio Mastrosanti)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:25:04 +0200
Subject: play sound from url on iOS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334077208.1907.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334077208.1907.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B6C35EA4-6427-4C33-9428-3E36EC99CF37@cantoberon.it>

Hi Klaus,

yes,

I use the player this way:

   iphoneControlCreate "player", "ioscontrol"
   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "filename", "http://www.yoursitecom/audiofolder/audiofile.mp3"
   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "preserveAspect", true
   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "showController", true
   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "visible", true
   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "rect", "0,106,320,106"
   iphoneControlDo "ioscontrol", "play"

Hope this helps,

     Giulio

> 
> Subject: Re: play sound from url on iOS
> Hi all,
> 
> Am 09.04.2012 um 15:35 schrieb Klaus on-rev:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> short question, is it possible to play a sound file from an URL in iOS? 
>> If yes, what do I need to use: "play ..." or "iphonePlaySoundOnChannel..."?
>> 
>> The docs do not mention URL, only in the "Video playback" section.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> noone done this before? :-)
> 
> I don't have an iOS license nor an iDevice to check this in the moment!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Apr 10 13:26:14 2012
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:26:14 -0700
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com><BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl><CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com><404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com><CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <031153E2-1D9D-4105-866B-962ADC1150AB@canelasoftware.com>

On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab,
> as if I clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the script editor window only results in resizing that
> window.I think it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real resize tab would.

We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5.  The problem is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic.  I think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often like I do.  I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of time before it returns.  Everything you do to it gets queued up and runs through very fast once the IDE returns.  Once we have a better recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that may be seeing this problem.  For the moment, our studio is moving all desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com





From cmsheffield at me.com  Tue Apr 10 13:26:49 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:26:49 -0600
Subject: iOS: using data grid on a retina display
Message-ID: <02FD37EF-DF49-4506-AA37-1F2B57F08182@me.com>

Is anyone using a data grid in an app that supports multiple resolutions? In particular, both iPad screens? I'm having a problem getting the data grid resized correctly to display on the iPad retina display. Is there a trick to it? Perhaps some property that can be set on the data grid that resizes everything at once? I have code that I'm running when my app starts up that resizes all my controls, and it works great, except with the data grid. Not quite sure how to handle that one. The grid is resizing correctly width-wise I believe, but not height-wise. I've customized my row template to display the data the way I want, and it looks great on the non-retina display. Do I need to resize the controls in my row template stack? I'm not currently doing that. Maybe that's my problem...

Anyone?

Thanks,
Chris





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 10 13:56:58 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:56:58 +0200
Subject: play sound from url on iOS
In-Reply-To: <B6C35EA4-6427-4C33-9428-3E36EC99CF37@cantoberon.it>
References: <mailman.1.1334077208.1907.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B6C35EA4-6427-4C33-9428-3E36EC99CF37@cantoberon.it>
Message-ID: <5E193FBE-75C7-4171-9004-59898F95344B@major.on-rev.com>

Buonasera Giulio,

Am 10.04.2012 um 19:25 schrieb Giulio Mastrosanti:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> yes, I use the player this way:
> 
>   iphoneControlCreate "player", "ioscontrol"
>   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "filename", "http://www.yoursitecom/audiofolder/audiofile.mp3"
>   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "preserveAspect", true
>   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "showController", true
>   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "visible", true
>   iphoneControlSet "ioscontrol", "rect", "0,106,320,106"
>   iphoneControlDo "ioscontrol", "play"
> 
> Hope this helps,

Ma certo! 
Tante grazie! :-)

>     Giulio

Best

Klaus

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr 10 14:16:01 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:16:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Script editor instability
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Mark Talluto <userev at ...> writes:

> We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5.  The problem is that
the script editor issues you are
> seeing are very sporadic.  I think the majority of issues arise if you save
with a command S often like I do.  I
> find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of time before it returns.
 Everything you do to it gets
> queued up and runs through very fast once the IDE returns.  Once we have a
better recipe, I will bugzilla it.
> For now, I to am looking for others that may be seeing this problem.  For the
moment, our studio is moving all
> desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only.

I had to hack around this in the glx2 environment - the problem seems to be that
something changed with respect to menubars. In glx2 I now grab the command- or
control-c,v,x keys and process them myself instead of letting the IDE take care
of things. The IDE's lockup period is very annoying - there seems to be a delay
between mouseDown and mouseUp events, so that a command-S will insert an "s"
into the text unless the key combo is held down long enough. Doesn't affect
Windows, but does on OSX and linux.

I've also found that compiling a script in the IDE's script editor changes the
focus away from the script editor window, so that following a compile with a
command-S doesn't save the stack, I have to click in the script field first.

-- 
 Mark Wieder




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 10 14:37:53 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:37:53 -0500
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <031153E2-1D9D-4105-866B-962ADC1150AB@canelasoftware.com>
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On 4/10/12 12:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be
>> moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I
>> clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the
>> script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think
>> it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real
>> resize tab would.
>
> We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5.  The problem
> is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic.  I
> think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often
> like I do.  I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of
> time before it returns.  Everything you do to it gets queued up and
> runs through very fast once the IDE returns.  Once we have a better
> recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that
> may be seeing this problem.  For the moment, our studio is moving all
> desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only.


I've seen some issues too, but like you I can't pinpoint them. I've had 
more lockups recently than ever before. There's a decided delay before 
menus drop down too, and menu key shortcuts don't always work reliably 
any more, as Mark mentioned.

I rarely Cmd-S from within the script editor, I usually save after 
bringing the stack to the front. But the lockups I've had are almost 
always in the editor, usually while stepping through code in debug mode.

I've wondered if the problems are related to the rewrite of the field 
object.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 16:17:08 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:17:08 -0700
Subject: [ANN] SQLiteAdmin
Message-ID: <CABx6j9=LBja2Nm+wLGB_g5h1qfGhFt7p=toZjmghKW5nMcbr9Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm happy to announce the release of my first commercial Livecode
application, SQLiteAdmin, a db admin tool for SQLite databases.  A 30-day
trial version of SQLiteAdmin is available at www.lcsql.com/products.html

In recognition of the amazing amount of knowledge imparted to me by
subscribers to this list, I am making SQLiteAdmin available for $4.99, a
$20 discount, to any list member until midnight on Friday April 13th.
 Please email me off list at pete at lcsql.com if you would like to take
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SQLiteAdmin has been tested on OS X and Windows.  I do not have access to
Linux (yet!) but would be happy to compile a Linux standalone for anyone
who would be willing to try it and give me feedback on what changes might
be needed to make it a viable Linux product.

OK, now on to the sales pitch.

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provide you with the ability to add multiple columns that share the same
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of formats including csv, delimited text files with your choice of
delimiter, and SQL INSERT statements.  You can export all or selected rows
of a table.  You can also export the CREATE statements necessary to build
your database, with or without the INSERT statements to populate it.

With SQLiteAdmin's Utilities view, you will be able to audit your database,
get recommendations for better performance, and modify any of your
database's PRAGMA settings.

SQLiteAdmin's Browse view gives you access to the SQLite Data Manipulation
Language.  You can display data from any table with filtering capability on
any columns in the table, select the columns you want to view and display
them in your preferred sequence, all by "filling in the blanks" instead of
writing any SQL statements.  The Browse Tool also provides complete insert,
duplicate, update and delete capabilities, including modification or
deletion of multiple rows in one operation.  And you can save your filter
definitions, column selections, and sort sequence for later use.

If you need to write your own SQL statements, you can enter any SQLite
command in SQLiteAdmin's SQL tool and execute it.  SQL commands can be
saved and recalled for later use.

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the ability to save an in memory database as a permanent disk file.

A 30-day demo version of SQLiteAdmin is available at
http://www.lcsql.com/products.html. Some functionality is disabled in the
demo version.

-- 
Peter Haworth
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



-- 
Pete
Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 18:58:54 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:58:54 +0200
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <23E1091C-0A68-4F83-A83E-B41911D761A5@economy-x-talk.com>

Kee,

This doesn't get rid of the .DS_Store files.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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KvK: 50277553

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On 10 apr 2012, at 04:29, Kee Nethery wrote:

> Or just use the Mac Archive or Compress menu item in the Finder. It works great.
> 
> Kee




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 19:02:45 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:02:45 +0200
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why.

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Best regards,

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KvK: 50277553

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On 10 apr 2012, at 05:48, stephen barncard wrote:

> tar (from the shell) works even better.




From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr 10 19:14:30 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:14:30 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>

On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why.

Wha???

"tar" (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered compression schemes.  It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that compression options were added.  On most systems still using AT&T tar sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents.

We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer.  The tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so you can pretty much always open another's tarball.

In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes used a precursor to the modern tar format.

Tim




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 19:18:15 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:18:15 +0200
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <8CEE5363214D71E-17E0-7A55@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com><A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com><CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com><8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
	<5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net>
	<8CEE5363214D71E-17E0-7A55@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7C187C2F-8603-4B8B-B006-501249B2121E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Craig,

My explanation won't help much, but maybe you like to know the reasons why it doesn't work as expected.

I HyperCard there is an IDE layer and a stack layer. Except for the stacks themselves, the IDE is written in Pascal (later C) and handle everything. The scripts in the Home stack don't get in the way. When you open a stack, HyperCard chooses the browse tool and if you want to change tools in your openStack script then you can just do that.

MetaCard was written like that too. The engine took care of everything and the IDE was minimalistic and didn't get in the way. You could change the tool in your openStack script if you wanted to. MetaCard opened with the browse tool as the active tool and you could change that to the pointer tool in a plugin for instance.

The Revolution (LiveCode) IDE is a different beast. It comes on top of everything, including the engine and the remnants of the original MetaCard IDE. In the past, after the engine set the tool, the Revolution IDE took over and set the tool again --maybe even 2 or 3 times. I believe there are a few bugs in the Revolution IDE that prevent it from setting the tool correctly. There were some issues with this in the past. 

It seems that RunRev has applied a hack to make sure that the tool is alwaus the browse tool (and not a watch cursor as it used to be for many years). After all scripts have run, including your own openStack scripts, the IDE chooses the pointer tool one more time, just to be sure.

You could move back to the MetaCard IDE. 

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On 10 apr 2012, at 15:37, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks all.
> 
> 
> I figured this out too, though the explanation was most helpful.
> 
> 
> When I say "figured it out", I meant I tried sending the command in time, well, just because.
> 
> 
> In HC, the loading must be different, since one can choose, say, the field tool with a one-liner like I tried to do.
> 
> 
> There are millions of legacy habits that I have, coming from a HC background, that I need to reThink. Thanks again for the help.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 19:24:53 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:24:53 +0200
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
Message-ID: <5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tim,

Yes, you're right, tar is older. Nonetheless, can you think of any other reason why one would want to use tar, except for glueing files together in preparation of compression? I'm not sure what you mean by "property bundle up bits of code".

I don't think that tar is available on Windows by default, but that's another story.

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KvK: 50277553

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On 11 apr 2012, at 01:14, Tim Jones wrote:

> On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why.
> 
> Wha???
> 
> "tar" (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered compression schemes.  It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that compression options were added.  On most systems still using AT&T tar sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents.
> 
> We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer.  The tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so you can pretty much always open another's tarball.
> 
> In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes used a precursor to the modern tar format.
> 
> Tim




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr 10 19:25:27 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <4F847E01.4030203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com><BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl><CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com><404A91D1-94A5-435C-AFD5-11E573939287@gmail.com><CAG1cpSqujpEYS0qSC3sh0jEwo7VbwhzxVjAXWrXXe4k6hxGCpw@mail.gmail.com><CAG1cpSoR=S2O9csJJ+GUny8xwdY+jNLFywgTwVvYOfLCHCyByw@mail.gmail.com><8CEE4DA0F18FACD-2794-38D6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com><031153E2-1D9D-4105-866B-962ADC1150AB@canelasoftware.com>
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Interesting stuff from all.


Am I to understand that events queued in the IDE are taking sizable fractions of minutes to process, or flush? And that if I wait a while normalcy returns? Minutes?? I will try this tonight.


I usually cmd-S to save in either the script editor or in the stack, wherever I am when it seems prudent to do so Often, lately. But I never noticed an issue with focus from either place. I will watch for that as well.


Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Script editor instability


On 4/10/12 12:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be
>> moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I
>> clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the
>> script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think
>> it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real
>> resize tab would.
>
> We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5.  The problem
> is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic.  I
> think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often
> like I do.  I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of
> time before it returns.  Everything you do to it gets queued up and
> runs through very fast once the IDE returns.  Once we have a better
> recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that
> may be seeing this problem.  For the moment, our studio is moving all
> desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only.


I've seen some issues too, but like you I can't pinpoint them. I've had 
more lockups recently than ever before. There's a decided delay before 
menus drop down too, and menu key shortcuts don't always work reliably 
any more, as Mark mentioned.

I rarely Cmd-S from within the script editor, I usually save after 
bringing the stack to the front. But the lockups I've had are almost 
always in the editor, usually while stepping through code in debug mode.

I've wondered if the problems are related to the rewrite of the field 
object.

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From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Apr 10 19:30:29 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <7C187C2F-8603-4B8B-B006-501249B2121E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com><A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com><CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com><8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com><5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net><8CEE5363214D71E-17E0-7A55@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
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Mark.


Good reading. Thanks.


I think a preference ought to be available to set the startup tool. Most times, I would think, the browse tool is the one users (or even developers) want. But I do not mind a stable workaround, as long as I don't forget it.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: Browse tool. I give up.


Hi Craig,

My explanation won't help much, but maybe you like to know the reasons why it 
doesn't work as expected.

I HyperCard there is an IDE layer and a stack layer. Except for the stacks 
themselves, the IDE is written in Pascal (later C) and handle everything. The 
scripts in the Home stack don't get in the way. When you open a stack, HyperCard 
chooses the browse tool and if you want to change tools in your openStack script 
then you can just do that.

MetaCard was written like that too. The engine took care of everything and the 
IDE was minimalistic and didn't get in the way. You could change the tool in 
your openStack script if you wanted to. MetaCard opened with the browse tool as 
the active tool and you could change that to the pointer tool in a plugin for 
instance.

The Revolution (LiveCode) IDE is a different beast. It comes on top of 
everything, including the engine and the remnants of the original MetaCard IDE. 
In the past, after the engine set the tool, the Revolution IDE took over and set 
the tool again --maybe even 2 or 3 times. I believe there are a few bugs in the 
Revolution IDE that prevent it from setting the tool correctly. There were some 
issues with this in the past. 

It seems that RunRev has applied a hack to make sure that the tool is alwaus the 
browse tool (and not a watch cursor as it used to be for many years). After all 
scripts have run, including your own openStack scripts, the IDE chooses the 
pointer tool one more time, just to be sure.

You could move back to the MetaCard IDE. 

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Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

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On 10 apr 2012, at 15:37, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks all.
> 
> 
> I figured this out too, though the explanation was most helpful.
> 
> 
> When I say "figured it out", I meant I tried sending the command in time, 
well, just because.
> 
> 
> In HC, the loading must be different, since one can choose, say, the field 
tool with a one-liner like I tried to do.
> 
> 
> There are millions of legacy habits that I have, coming from a HC background, 
that I need to reThink. Thanks again for the help.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 


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From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Apr 10 19:42:23 2012
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:42:23 +0200
Subject: how to do this type of search
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=icgfa33=-v_Uk_p1T5fzk4kgKasO9Ak+z80ZM0973cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W121B4907BD031FCE2EA291ED340@phx.gbl>
	<CAGeTkxmRaiUBRw_e03R6h5Vtk82qjZ39zjAtfvf0smoYyhDZyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240816cbaa74e434cb@[192.168.1.94]>

On 10.04.2012 at 10:06 Uhr +0900 Nicolas Cueto apparently wrote:
>  > The 'lineOffset' function will be your friend here...
>
>If only it truly were that simple...
>
>In my example, lineOffset would return "3" for "is". But "5" is what 
>I'm after.
>
>--
>Nicolas Cueto
>

untested but something along this should work:

function lineContainsExactMatch pWord,pText
   set the wholematches to true
   replace slash with tab in pText -- so we can search for was or were 
in was/were
   return the number of lines of (item 1 to itemOffset(pWord, pText) of pText)
end lineContainsExactMatch

Robert



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 20:04:35 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:04:35 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>

I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or
just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program
be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be
that straightforward with tar?
Pete

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Yes, you're right, tar is older. Nonetheless, can you think of any other
> reason why one would want to use tar, except for glueing files together in
> preparation of compression? I'm not sure what you mean by "property bundle
> up bits of code".
>
> I don't think that tar is available on Windows by default, but that's
> another story.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6
>
> On 11 apr 2012, at 01:14, Tim Jones wrote:
>
> > On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress.
> Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and
> faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and
> gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why.
> >
> > Wha???
> >
> > "tar" (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered
> compression schemes.  It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that
> compression options were added.  On most systems still using AT&T tar
> sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and
> decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents.
> >
> > We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle
> up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others
> while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer.  The
> tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so
> you can pretty much always open another's tarball.
> >
> > In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes
> used a precursor to the modern tar format.
> >
> > Tim
>
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From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr 10 20:09:53 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:09:53 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3776F34-0E55-4FE9-8D1E-830C3BFDF398@me.com>

Pete -

Both OS X and Linux will auto-extract tar, tar.gz, tgz, and tar.bz files if that setting is enabled in the browser (safe files) or by double clicking the file.

If the user adds WinTAR or a later version of PkZIP or 7zip to their Windows systems, they'll get the same thing there.

Tim

On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Pete wrote:

> I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
> compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or
> just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program
> be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be
> that straightforward with tar?




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Apr 10 20:11:14 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:11:14 +0200
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81D4BCFB-BD12-43CD-9841-E0A45ACB2BFF@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Pete,

On Mac, the BOM Archiver can also decompress tar files. On Windows, additional software is needed.

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Best regards,

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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 11 apr 2012, at 02:04, Pete wrote:

> I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
> compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or
> just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program
> be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be
> that straightforward with tar?
> Pete
> 




From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Apr 10 20:25:00 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:25:00 -0500
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>

On 04/10/2012 07:04 PM, Pete wrote:
> I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
> compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or
> just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program
> be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be
> that straightforward with tar?
> Pete

I wouldn't say there's anything difficult about compressing using 
tar+bzip2, which gives much higher compression than ZIP.

In a terminal:

cd to directory containing the directory you want to archive and compress

issue the command: tar cfj name-of-archive-to-create.tbz2 
name-of-directory-to-archive

Done

It seems simple enough.

Warren






From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 20:27:31 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:27:31 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <81D4BCFB-BD12-43CD-9841-E0A45ACB2BFF@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<81D4BCFB-BD12-43CD-9841-E0A45ACB2BFF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9kDd5mQBa7AQh+Zn3F=m3rA71r4hW9ogbADeXx4ZZtptg@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, it was the earlier comment about WIndows that scared me.  Now, if
only the revZIPxxxx commands worked OK, we wouldn't be excahnging these
emails!
Pete

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> On Mac, the BOM Archiver can also decompress tar files. On Windows,
> additional software is needed.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6
>
> On 11 apr 2012, at 02:04, Pete wrote:
>
> > I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
> > compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it
> or
> > just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the
> program
> > be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not
> be
> > that straightforward with tar?
> > Pete
> >
>
>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Apr 10 20:31:05 2012
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:31:05 -0700
Subject: End Coming for Omegabundle for LiveCode 2012 - Don't Miss Out on the
	Best Deal on LiveCode Add-ons
Message-ID: <3B2EF293535B41E791808AE7D6C62DFA@GATEWAY>

The clock is ticking on this offer @ http://www.omegabundle.com/ - coming to
an end in 14 days. It won't be back in 2012.

Omega Bundle 2012 for LiveCode brings together 13 essential plugins, add-ons
and more for only $399. If you purchased in 2011 or 2010, note that
upgrading the software you got previously on a case by case basis runs much
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This includes:

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-Franklin 3D Game Engine. Multi-platform cross-platform 3D engine for games,
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-SQL Yoga. Makes developing data-driven solutions easy by tranforming
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-Flexible Learning ChartMaker. A fully featured cross-platform library
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-ASG DataGrid Helper. A complete set of tools for rapidly creating
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 20:54:57 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:54:57 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Warren,
It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my
machine.  Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a
Windows user to install some software.
Pete

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Warren Samples <warren at warrensweb.us>wrote:

> On 04/10/2012 07:04 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the
>> compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or
>> just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the
>> program
>> be ready to use.  I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not
>> be
>> that straightforward with tar?
>> Pete
>>
>
> I wouldn't say there's anything difficult about compressing using
> tar+bzip2, which gives much higher compression than ZIP.
>
> In a terminal:
>
> cd to directory containing the directory you want to archive and compress
>
> issue the command: tar cfj name-of-archive-to-create.tbz2
> name-of-directory-to-archive
>
> Done
>
> It seems simple enough.
>
> Warren
>
>
>
>
>
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From tolistim at me.com  Tue Apr 10 21:19:05 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:19:05 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
	<CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6459B38D-28F6-4F45-BD03-BA15ABE4535A@me.com>

On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Pete wrote:

> Hi Warren,
> It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my
> machine.  Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a
> Windows user to install some software.

You might be surprised at just how many Windows users actually already have one of these installed.  Far too many developers shortcut the installer process and go this route.  That means that a lot of apps floating around in Windows space are already in tar, zip, rar, or other "non-standard" Windows file format.  To access these, the Windows users have already had to install an appropriate tool.

Don't be afraid of something just because you're not an expert.  We've (app creators) been using these formats to deliver files and data to users for as long as I've been doing this (over 30 years at this point?).  If you're not going to be using an installer, then a zip file or tarball are very valid and accepted formats for delivery.

Tim





From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Apr 10 21:22:47 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:22:47 -0500
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
	<CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F84DCE7.6090206@warrensweb.us>

On 04/10/2012 07:54 PM, Pete wrote:
> Hi Warren,
> It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my
> machine.  Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a
> Windows user to install some software.
> Pete


Yes, that is something completely different :D You could offer the more 
efficient tbz2 format for your Mac users (and your Linux users when you 
get to that) and the ZIP format for your Windows users. You could also 
offer your Windows users a tbz2 version alongside the ZIP version and 
some info on software they could use to open it. If your users have 
managed to find your software and are capable of installing it, they 
should also have no trouble installing the software to decompress the 
archive. You just don't want to make it a requirement! Will you need to 
recreate these archives so frequently that this will be a terrible 
burden on you?

It was Mark who commented that tar+compression seems like too much work 
without any benefit, and my original comment was mostly a response to 
that thought.

Warren



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Apr 10 21:31:49 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:31:49 -0400
Subject: play sound from url on iOS
In-Reply-To: <7618FDEA-0CC8-402E-9AB2-750D662E6E74@major.on-rev.com>
References: <408775F3-B4E9-499A-AC23-EA6A66A8F1FF@major.on-rev.com>
	<7618FDEA-0CC8-402E-9AB2-750D662E6E74@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <EAF58F19-7A92-4DE1-928E-F0905110659B@mac.com>

Klaus,

I have downloaded files and I have played downloaded sounds but I have not played downloading sounds while downloading i.e. streaming.

I also can not get the play command with mediaPicker to play iCloud music, but these do play and stream in the apple music app just not in LC??

sorry I can't be more helpful on this one


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Am 09.04.2012 um 15:35 schrieb Klaus on-rev:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> short question, is it possible to play a sound file from an URL in iOS? 
>> If yes, what do I need to use: "play ..." or "iphonePlaySoundOnChannel..."?
>> 
>> The docs do not mention URL, only in the "Video playback" section.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> noone done this before? :-)
> 
> I don't have an iOS license nor an iDevice to check this in the moment!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 21:59:56 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:59:56 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <6459B38D-28F6-4F45-BD03-BA15ABE4535A@me.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
	<CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6459B38D-28F6-4F45-BD03-BA15ABE4535A@me.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9mDFCPKS5AC8iKXt=AMgLg8i2OW55B+P0tAE_qYNUWS2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tim,
The origin of this thread was me trying to automate the packaging of the
app at my end by writing a script to handle the standaloneSaved message.
 It used the revZIPxxx commands which, unfortunately, don't seem to work
very well, so other scripted solutions were offered, including tar and zip.
 I can definitely continue to create the compressed files manually in a
format that will work just fine for Mac and WIndows (and hopefully Linux).

I'm thinking about a proper installer but, other than moving the
application to it's appropriate folder for the platform, there's nothing
else to do so it just seems like overkill.

Pete

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com> wrote:

> On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Pete wrote:
>
> > Hi Warren,
> > It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my
> > machine.  Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a
> > Windows user to install some software.
>
> You might be surprised at just how many Windows users actually already
> have one of these installed.  Far too many developers shortcut the
> installer process and go this route.  That means that a lot of apps
> floating around in Windows space are already in tar, zip, rar, or other
> "non-standard" Windows file format.  To access these, the Windows users
> have already had to install an appropriate tool.
>
> Don't be afraid of something just because you're not an expert.  We've
> (app creators) been using these formats to deliver files and data to users
> for as long as I've been doing this (over 30 years at this point?).  If
> you're not going to be using an installer, then a zip file or tarball are
> very valid and accepted formats for delivery.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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>


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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Apr 10 22:00:48 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:00:48 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <4F84DCE7.6090206@warrensweb.us>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
	<CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84DCE7.6090206@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9ndiWh2HyTGBfRcVr4tOtnau0wF9XB=jRh0DsFwT=SdeA@mail.gmail.com>

Got it, thanks Warren.
Pete

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Warren Samples <warren at warrensweb.us>wrote:

> It was Mark who commented that tar+compression seems like too much work
> without any benefit, and my original comment was mostly a response to that
> thought.




-- 
Pete
Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com>


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Apr 10 22:23:30 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:23:30 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F84EB22.5090908@pdslabs.net>

Pete,

I wonder if your revZip issue comes from the fact that a .app file is really a 
folder in disguise.

To pick an app via dialog on OS X, you must say "answer file" but then 
immediately you must treat the .app "file" you picked as a folder containing 
subfolders and files.

Consider this button code:

on mouseUp
     answer file "Pick an app to zip"
     if it = empty then exit to top

     set the defaultFolder to it
     put the defaultFolder & cr & the folders
end mouseUp


When you run this, the defaultFolder is now indeed the selected .app "file" and 
it contains a "Contents" folder which contains all the app parts. So you'll need 
to drill down into the .app folder and add each file to your zip file.

Then when it's restored at installation time, you may have to turn on the .app 
folder's bundle bit, I'm not really sure. I think someone on the list told how 
to do this some time ago but I couldn't tell you who or how. There's probably a 
line command for it.

Food for thought.

Phil Davis



On 4/9/12 5:19 PM, Pete wrote:
> Been putting together a litte script to get all my files ready for a
> release and used the revZIPxxx commands to make a zip file of the LC
> standalone program - this all on a Mac.  The resulting zip file is only 4kb
> in size, obvioulsy not correct.
>
> The code is pretty straightfroward:
>
>     revZipOpenArchive myZipFile,"write"
>
>     *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result
>
>     *answer* file "Zip file"
>
>     revZipAddItemWithFile myZipFile,"myApp.app",it
>
>     *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result
>
>     revZipCloseArchive myZipFile
>
> Zipping the same file with the built-in OS X compress function works fine
> and so does the CleanARchiver utitlity.
>
> ANy ideas?
>

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr 11 00:41:26 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:41:26 -0700
Subject: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9mDFCPKS5AC8iKXt=AMgLg8i2OW55B+P0tAE_qYNUWS2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7855C219-CFB4-4A6D-AAD0-0E86D3B34F02@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5353F4DE-9C86-4602-BBEB-DCC6030B9DE3@me.com>
	<5F2CEAC7-7E14-4DED-B080-4A5DF21813D9@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CABx6j9=o0qbB+QnQTTKQDL=cnw2=5umsC8nN1kvst0TRyntz1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F84CF5C.6020007@warrensweb.us>
	<CABx6j9=gMk1xCA4OhhUpMAMYjsQWjYy-wAUzrFL2-EiyhXK=zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6459B38D-28F6-4F45-BD03-BA15ABE4535A@me.com>
	<CABx6j9mDFCPKS5AC8iKXt=AMgLg8i2OW55B+P0tAE_qYNUWS2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96F0A267-027F-420B-8B34-D76B0D561528@me.com>

Hi Pete,

Understood - what I saw in the thread was others offering up tar options that can easily be executed in a shell in much the same manner as the revZip stuff.  But, as Phil mentions concerning folders with the revZip functions, tar will automatically pickup the folder structures and compress the resulting output as a single file.  My responses were simply aimed at reassuring you that a tar file (gzipped or otherwise) was a valid and successful way to achieve what you were looking for and that recipients wouldn't have an issue receiving such a package.

Tim

On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Pete wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> The origin of this thread was me trying to automate the packaging of the
> app at my end by writing a script to handle the standaloneSaved message.
> It used the revZIPxxx commands which, unfortunately, don't seem to work
> very well, so other scripted solutions were offered, including tar and zip.
> I can definitely continue to create the compressed files manually in a
> format that will work just fine for Mac and WIndows (and hopefully Linux).
> 
> I'm thinking about a proper installer but, other than moving the
> application to it's appropriate folder for the platform, there's nothing
> else to do so it just seems like overkill.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Pete wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Warren,
>>> It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my
>>> machine.  Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a
>>> Windows user to install some software.
>> 
>> You might be surprised at just how many Windows users actually already
>> have one of these installed.  Far too many developers shortcut the
>> installer process and go this route.  That means that a lot of apps
>> floating around in Windows space are already in tar, zip, rar, or other
>> "non-standard" Windows file format.  To access these, the Windows users
>> have already had to install an appropriate tool.
>> 
>> Don't be afraid of something just because you're not an expert.  We've
>> (app creators) been using these formats to deliver files and data to users
>> for as long as I've been doing this (over 30 years at this point?).  If
>> you're not going to be using an installer, then a zip file or tarball are
>> very valid and accepted formats for delivery.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com>
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Apr 11 01:33:28 2012
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:33:28 +0100
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4589.1334107155.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEMJDBAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Achievable by rolling your own dialog and trapping keystrokes. If the field
is empty, then set the text of the field to the advisory text. If the field
is the advisory text and the selectedText is not empty, then set the text of
the field to empty.

Hugh Senior
FLCo

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:02:09 +0200
From: Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
Message-ID: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

Sometimes one sees apps (on different platforms) where the user is invited
to type something into a field, and the field is pre-filled with a text
which disappears the moment the user starts typing - the initial text says
stuff like 'type your name here'. This type of text is not preselected
(apparently) - so it must be a special type of text, but I don't know how to
make it appear. Specifically, in LC's iOS implementation, the 'ask' dialog
scripting looks like this:

ask [ question | password ] prompt [ with initialAnswer ] [ titled title ]

so the question resolves to: how do I make the initialAnswer text a 'ghost'
text such as I have described, or is it impossible?

Graham




From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Wed Apr 11 03:18:29 2012
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:18:29 +0300
Subject: [ANN] SQLiteAdmin
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=LBja2Nm+wLGB_g5h1qfGhFt7p=toZjmghKW5nMcbr9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBAB0AF5.FDD6C%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 4/10/12 11:17 PM, "Pete" <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the release of my first commercial Livecode
> application, SQLiteAdmin, a db admin tool for SQLite databases.  A 30-day
> trial version of SQLiteAdmin is available at www.lcsql.com/products.html

Well,

Taking into account that Valentina Studio which manage
    * SQL Lite (local db files)
    * Valentina (local db files)
    * Valentina DB Server
    * Postgre SQL servers

Starting with 5.0 version becomes totally FREE ...

And everybody can take this right now if join to our beta testing group...

Just 1-2 weeks left to release ...

And yes, we have:
    Windows, MacOS, Linux-32 and Linux-64 versions.



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 11 07:32:58 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:32:58 +0200
Subject: play sound from url on iOS
In-Reply-To: <EAF58F19-7A92-4DE1-928E-F0905110659B@mac.com>
References: <408775F3-B4E9-499A-AC23-EA6A66A8F1FF@major.on-rev.com>
	<7618FDEA-0CC8-402E-9AB2-750D662E6E74@major.on-rev.com>
	<EAF58F19-7A92-4DE1-928E-F0905110659B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D45EE708-A283-4219-9B15-6BFC19D4F398@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Tom,

Am 11.04.2012 um 03:31 schrieb Thomas McGrath III:

> Klaus,
> 
> I have downloaded files and I have played downloaded sounds but I have not played downloading sounds while downloading i.e. streaming.
> I also can not get the play command with mediaPicker to play iCloud music, but these do play and stream in the apple music app just not in LC??
> sorry I can't be more helpful on this one

thanks, Tom, I already got some very cool hints from the list :-)

> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 11 13:30:04 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:30:04 -0400
Subject: Browse tool. I give up.
In-Reply-To: <8CEE5890C68F1C1-17E0-BE30@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
	<5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net>
	<8CEE5363214D71E-17E0-7A55@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
	<7C187C2F-8603-4B8B-B006-501249B2121E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<8CEE5890C68F1C1-17E0-BE30@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNAJgHpo_vVUF8xFsnKS8Uhr=s0q5jU-0MZX_Bci+Todw@mail.gmail.com>

It's funny how many of us are left over from a bygone black-and-white era.

As long as fellow old-school HC'ers are reading this thread, does anybody
still have a copy of Connections?  I'm actually being serious.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From wow at together.net  Wed Apr 11 13:49:48 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:49:48 -0400
Subject: in-app purchase problem
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNAJgHpo_vVUF8xFsnKS8Uhr=s0q5jU-0MZX_Bci+Todw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9mKUKYF7Gzftf4TaXdyk+E5QB3v6fnhmYVQZbmfgAutBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A652D717-439C-438E-92F7-2047722EBF27@kagi.com>
	<CAFmQfHJHuBCTxHD-ETjEAB7Ad1BpZ6KK3ZS-SVy49GUsuUtGZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE4E82697790F-2794-402A@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com>
	<5893DBE4-40E5-4150-BEA1-6C7B8F8792E1@verizon.net>
	<8CEE5363214D71E-17E0-7A55@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
	<7C187C2F-8603-4B8B-B006-501249B2121E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<8CEE5890C68F1C1-17E0-BE30@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com>
	<CADCoycNAJgHpo_vVUF8xFsnKS8Uhr=s0q5jU-0MZX_Bci+Todw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F85C43C.7090504@together.net>

I'm not having any luck getting in-app purchasing to work in my ios app.

The first call I make is:

mobilepurchasecreate "itemID"

This always returns "1", regardless of which itemID I use. This doesn't 
seem like a valid result. I've double-checked that the itemID is exactly 
the same as the one(s) submitted in iTunesConnect.

I am making sure the iphone on which I am doing the testing has been 
logged out (in Settings-->Store)

I am also logged out of iTunesConnect.

I've created a Test User account.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
Richard Miller



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Apr 11 18:02:50 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:02:50 -0300
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Folks,

As someone who is about to finish some cross-platform libraries to be
released soon, I must ask. Is there any clear way to detect if I am running
on iOS or Android? What I have right now is checking the environment to see
if it is "mobile" and then I check for all the possible combinations of
iPad, iPhone, iPad Simulator and iPhone Simulator, if it is not them then I
assume it is Android.

I think we need some clearer thing that returns "iOS" or "Android".

Also, is there anyway for the library to get the bundle id for Android?
There is a way on iOS but not on Android.

Cheers
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code.
http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 18:12:02 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:12:02 -0600
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>

Might look at the machine() function. Still have to check whats returned
and figure it out, but can skip the check for 'mobile' and go directly to
looking for ios devices.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> As someone who is about to finish some cross-platform libraries to be
> released soon, I must ask. Is there any clear way to detect if I am running
> on iOS or Android? What I have right now is checking the environment to see
> if it is "mobile" and then I check for all the possible combinations of
> iPad, iPhone, iPad Simulator and iPhone Simulator, if it is not them then I
> assume it is Android.
>
> I think we need some clearer thing that returns "iOS" or "Android".
>
> Also, is there anyway for the library to get the bundle id for Android?
> There is a way on iOS but not on Android.
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 18:14:44 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:14:44 -0600
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>

Oh. Nevermind. Look at 'the platform' instead.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Might look at the machine() function. Still have to check whats returned
> and figure it out, but can skip the check for 'mobile' and go directly to
> looking for ios devices.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> As someone who is about to finish some cross-platform libraries to be
>> released soon, I must ask. Is there any clear way to detect if I am
>> running
>> on iOS or Android? What I have right now is checking the environment to
>> see
>> if it is "mobile" and then I check for all the possible combinations of
>> iPad, iPhone, iPad Simulator and iPhone Simulator, if it is not them then
>> I
>> assume it is Android.
>>
>> I think we need some clearer thing that returns "iOS" or "Android".
>>
>> Also, is there anyway for the library to get the bundle id for Android?
>> There is a way on iOS but not on Android.
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>>
>> --
>> http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code.
>> http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Apr 11 18:45:33 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:45:33 -0300
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh thank you!!! They updated the function!!! Thanks for spotting it!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh. Nevermind. Look at 'the platform' instead.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Might look at the machine() function. Still have to check whats returned
> > and figure it out, but can skip the check for 'mobile' and go directly to
> > looking for ios devices.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Folks,
> >>
> >> As someone who is about to finish some cross-platform libraries to be
> >> released soon, I must ask. Is there any clear way to detect if I am
> >> running
> >> on iOS or Android? What I have right now is checking the environment to
> >> see
> >> if it is "mobile" and then I check for all the possible combinations of
> >> iPad, iPhone, iPad Simulator and iPhone Simulator, if it is not them
> then
> >> I
> >> assume it is Android.
> >>
> >> I think we need some clearer thing that returns "iOS" or "Android".
> >>
> >> Also, is there anyway for the library to get the bundle id for Android?
> >> There is a way on iOS but not on Android.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> andre
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code.
> >> http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 11 20:26:11 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:26:11 -0500
Subject: [ANN] SQLiteAdmin
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=LBja2Nm+wLGB_g5h1qfGhFt7p=toZjmghKW5nMcbr9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9=LBja2Nm+wLGB_g5h1qfGhFt7p=toZjmghKW5nMcbr9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E72B3CD9-0BDE-41A8-9D0B-2781CAFC53B9@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 10, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Pete wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the release of my first commercial Livecode
> application, SQLiteAdmin, a db admin tool for SQLite databases.  A 30-day
> trial version of SQLiteAdmin is available at www.lcsql.com/products.html

Congratulations, Pete! Nicely done?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 11 20:29:49 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:29:49 -0500
Subject: [ANN] SQLiteAdmin
In-Reply-To: <CBAB0AF5.FDD6C%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <CBAB0AF5.FDD6C%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <60C42D83-A114-46A4-BDAA-C2BCA88F7781@sonsothunder.com>

> Taking into account that Valentina Studio which manage
>    * SQL Lite (local db files)
>    * Valentina (local db files)
>    * Valentina DB Server
>    * Postgre SQL servers
> 
> Starting with 5.0 version becomes totally FREE ...
> 
> And everybody can take this right now if join to our beta testing group...

Sounds good, but I'll wait? I don't have any time to do testing. 

:D

Oh, btw, don't forget to change all the references to "Revolution" to "LiveCode" on your site - it might be confusing for new LC users (or use "Revolution/LiveCode" if you want to cover both bases).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 11 20:35:48 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:35:48 -0500
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Oh thank you!!! They updated the function!!! Thanks for spotting it!

For more info, check this out:

http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=41


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 11 20:40:39 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:40:39 -0500
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEMJDBAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONGEMJDBAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <411C6370-4D8A-4165-BE82-EF7B15AF2664@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:33 AM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

> Achievable by rolling your own dialog and trapping keystrokes. If the field
> is empty, then set the text of the field to the advisory text. If the field
> is the advisory text and the selectedText is not empty, then set the text of
> the field to empty.

You can also use the PromptField DropTool - drag and drop, set a property and you're done! It's part of the basic DropTools download (droptools.sonsothunder.com).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Wed Apr 11 21:53:26 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630@mac.com>
References: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1334195606789-4550733.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Graham, when I need advisory text I often put it into a custom property
and use a set of routines I've written for a behavior to handle the display
(which can be used on any platform). Here's the routine that displays the
advisory text:

command ShowPrompt
   if the cprompt of me is not empty then
      set the forecolor of me to "lightgray"
      set the text of me to the cPrompt of me
   end if
end ShowPrompt

Now to manage it:

on openfield
   if the text of me = the cprompt of me and the forecolor of me is
"lightgray" then
      set the forecolor of me to black
      put empty into me
   else
      select the text of me
   end if
end open field

and

on exitField
   if the text of me is empty then ShowPrompt
   pass exitField
end exitField

I also do the same for closefield....

on closeField
   if the text of me is empty then ShowPrompt
   pass closeField
end closeField

or sometimes I'll initialize the advisory text from an opencard or
preopencard handler:

   repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields of this card
      if fld x is empty then
         if the cprompt of fld x is not empty then
            set the forecolor of fld x to "lightgray"
            put the cprompt of fld x into fld x  -- cprompt is a custom
property of the field
         end if
      end if
   end repeat

I think this is pretty much what Hugh Senior was saying as well.

Hope it helps.....

-- Mark


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From littlejamesw at mac.com  Wed Apr 11 22:43:07 2012
From: littlejamesw at mac.com (Jim Little)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:43:07 -0700
Subject: [ANN] SQLiteAdmin
In-Reply-To: <CABx6j9=LBja2Nm+wLGB_g5h1qfGhFt7p=toZjmghKW5nMcbr9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABx6j9=LBja2Nm+wLGB_g5h1qfGhFt7p=toZjmghKW5nMcbr9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA3B8194-DE14-483D-8A9E-81D2131F7107@mac.com>

Hello List, 

Heads Up.  This is a real bargain ... $4.99 for members of this list through Friday, a $20 discount.  I've had the SQLiteAdmim program for one day and had only limited time for testing but it looks powerful and has worked flawlessly, so far.   
 
Congratulations to Pete.

Regards, 

Jim Little 


On Apr 10, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Pete wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the release of my first commercial Livecode
> application, SQLiteAdmin, a db admin tool for SQLite databases.  A 30-day
> trial version of SQLiteAdmin is available at www.lcsql.com/products.html
> 
> In recognition of the amazing amount of knowledge imparted to me by
> subscribers to this list, I am making SQLiteAdmin available for $4.99, a
> $20 discount, to any list member until midnight on Friday April 13th.
> Please email me off list at pete at lcsql.com if you would like to take
> advantage of this deal, and I will send you a link to buy it at that price.
> 
> SQLiteAdmin has been tested on OS X and Windows.  I do not have access to
> Linux (yet!) but would be happy to compile a Linux standalone for anyone
> who would be willing to try it and give me feedback on what changes might
> be needed to make it a viable Linux product.
> 
> OK, now on to the sales pitch.
> 
> SQLiteAdmin is a full-featured administration tool for SQLite databases
> that removes all of the restrictions and omissions inherent in the standard
> SQLite Data Definition Language.  You can safely  add, modify, or delete
> any of the properties of a table or column including name, data type, data
> length, primary key, foreign key, check, unique, not null, and default
> constraints, all while maintaining the integrity of your data.
> 
> SQLiteAdmin extends the DDL even further with convenience features that
> provide you with the ability to add multiple columns that share the same
> properties with a single click, and optional automatic index creation for
> foreign key fields.
> 
> SQLiteAdmin provides complete data export and import capability in a number
> of formats including csv, delimited text files with your choice of
> delimiter, and SQL INSERT statements.  You can export all or selected rows
> of a table.  You can also export the CREATE statements necessary to build
> your database, with or without the INSERT statements to populate it.
> 
> With SQLiteAdmin's Utilities view, you will be able to audit your database,
> get recommendations for better performance, and modify any of your
> database's PRAGMA settings.
> 
> SQLiteAdmin's Browse view gives you access to the SQLite Data Manipulation
> Language.  You can display data from any table with filtering capability on
> any columns in the table, select the columns you want to view and display
> them in your preferred sequence, all by "filling in the blanks" instead of
> writing any SQL statements.  The Browse Tool also provides complete insert,
> duplicate, update and delete capabilities, including modification or
> deletion of multiple rows in one operation.  And you can save your filter
> definitions, column selections, and sort sequence for later use.
> 
> If you need to write your own SQL statements, you can enter any SQLite
> command in SQLiteAdmin's SQL tool and execute it.  SQL commands can be
> saved and recalled for later use.
> 
> SQliteAdmin includes full support for in memory databases and also provides
> the ability to save an in memory database as a permanent disk file.
> 
> A 30-day demo version of SQLiteAdmin is available at
> http://www.lcsql.com/products.html. Some functionality is disabled in the
> demo version.
> 
> -- 
> Peter Haworth
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 12 00:03:00 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:03:00 -0500
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/11/12 7:35 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Oh thank you!!! They updated the function!!! Thanks for spotting it!
>
> For more info, check this out:
>
> http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=41

Cool. I keep missing the LC Journal stuff because I forget to go look. 
Is there an RSS feed for it?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Apr 12 00:21:43 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:21:43 -0700
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1561180532000.20120411212143@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 9:03:00 PM, you wrote:

> On 4/11/12 7:35 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Oh thank you!!! They updated the function!!! Thanks for spotting it!
>>
>> For more info, check this out:
>>
>> http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=41

> Cool. I keep missing the LC Journal stuff because I forget to go look.
> Is there an RSS feed for it?

Maybe more to the point:

???since when has LC Journal had a forum???

It's not listed anywhere on the web site.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Apr 12 00:28:08 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:28:08 +1000
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <1561180532000.20120411212143@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1561180532000.20120411212143@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>

> 
> Maybe more to the point:
> 
> ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
> 
> It's not listed anywhere on the web site.

Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?

Cheers

Monte



From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 04:38:30 2012
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:38:30 +0200
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1561180532000.20120411212143@ahsoftware.net>
	<135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO7JtA3J3zshrUBo9g5A6hLSGWGVZhddwcPZ+dk7uD4PqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Le 12 avril 2012 06:28, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> a
?crit :

> >
> > Maybe more to the point:
> >
> > ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
>
> Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte


Same for me ?

Regards,

Thierry


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 06:12:56 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:12:56 -0600
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO7JtA3J3zshrUBo9g5A6hLSGWGVZhddwcPZ+dk7uD4PqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1561180532000.20120411212143@ahsoftware.net>
	<135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAO8ucO7JtA3J3zshrUBo9g5A6hLSGWGVZhddwcPZ+dk7uD4PqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp2+do5VbTTmOUrBH0esZ4py4bJcsZLvPUMe+VC6Ua9dQ@mail.gmail.com>

Shows banned for me too. Yet I don't remember ever going there before.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 12 avril 2012 06:28, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> a
> ?crit :
>
> > >
> > > Maybe more to the point:
> > >
> > > ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
> >
> > Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
>
>
> Same for me ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Thierry
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 06:13:30 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:13:30 -0600
Subject: How to detect Android or iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp2+do5VbTTmOUrBH0esZ4py4bJcsZLvPUMe+VC6Ua9dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1561180532000.20120411212143@ahsoftware.net>
	<135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAO8ucO7JtA3J3zshrUBo9g5A6hLSGWGVZhddwcPZ+dk7uD4PqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSp2+do5VbTTmOUrBH0esZ4py4bJcsZLvPUMe+VC6Ua9dQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoLkQQHERr3ty_HWBnLhn_uCV4R61=NquhJKWctNT_Afg@mail.gmail.com>

Nevermind not showing banned anymore.


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shows banned for me too. Yet I don't remember ever going there before.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 12 avril 2012 06:28, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>> > >
>> > > Maybe more to the point:
>> > >
>> > > ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
>> >
>> > Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Monte
>>
>>
>> Same for me ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Thierry
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Apr 12 08:49:45 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:49:45 +0200
Subject: Script editor instability
Message-ID: <534A0886-1130-45D2-B4A7-BB97272247D8@mac.com>

I just want to add my name to the chorus of issues not only with the script editor but with the 5.5 IDE in general. I have had situations where I change a line of script but the 'Apply' button stays dimmed. Editing is still allowed, i.e. the editor isn't stuck, and after a certain amount of messing around, 'Apply' lights up. I can't get a repeatable formula; nor can I with several other issues I've had with the IDE, including having lost 'it' as a predefined local for quite a large part of a day, despite restarting, and a rash of 'name shadows another' problems where the name in question seemed unique and the usual tests didn't contradict this. I have also had a script run when I was supposed to be editing? that happened just now when all I did was to create a new label field from the toolbar. But nothing repeatable so far. Very frustrating.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Script editor instability


On 4/10/12 12:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be
>> moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I
>> clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the
>> script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think
>> it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real
>> resize tab would.
> 
> We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5.  The problem
> is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic.  I
> think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often
> like I do.  I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of
> time before it returns.  Everything you do to it gets queued up and
> runs through very fast once the IDE returns.  Once we have a better
> recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that
> may be seeing this problem.  For the moment, our studio is moving all
> desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only.


I've seen some issues too, but like you I can't pinpoint them. I've had 
more lockups recently than ever before. There's a decided delay before 
menus drop down too, and menu key shortcuts don't always work reliably 
any more, as Mark mentioned.

I rarely Cmd-S from within the script editor, I usually save after 
bringing the stack to the front. But the lockups I've had are almost 
always in the editor, usually while stepping through code in debug mode.

I've wondered if the problems are related to the rewrite of the field 
object.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From gbojsza at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 09:02:42 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:02:42 -0600
Subject: Linux - Datagrid scrolling stops; column label missing
Message-ID: <CACW8NbCX3xz8NoH2QRh8Kqq6NKGe_XA4rhBDFJT6jH20Usc8gw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have an app that was built on OS X Livecdoe 4.6.4.

When standalones were generated we found that the Linux (CentOS 6.2)
version had some strange problems:

1. the vertical scroll for a datagrid sometimes fails. there are several
rows by when the user drags the vertical scroll bar the datagrid does NOT
scroll.. the bar moves but not the rows?

2. the vertical scroll up and down arrows also do nothing?

By refreshing the dgtext of the datagrid group things start to work
normally again until when it just stops working again (hard to reproduce
but it does fail regularly)

3. one of the three column labels disappeared except for the very first
letter.
- tried editing the clumn label using rev's ide but it would not do
anything to the letter .. not allow you to delete it or add to it
- tried Data Grid Helper and same problem.

Next step was to open the original file on CentoS Livecode 4.6.4 .

Not able to have problems 1 or 2 above fail in ide only in the standalone.

Fixed 3 above by pasting the full column name when the first letter was
selected.

Also, found in standalone (not the ide) that clicking a check box in a
datagrid sometimes does not register the associated message.

So, I am wondering if anyone else has come across these problems and if so
have any suggestions?

Also, wondering if the datagrid was built in the ide on CentOS and not OS X
if it will make a difference?

We found that sometimes moving a livecode stack from OS X to Linux some of
the script text has extraneous characters which need to be removed for the
script to work properly.

I am hoping these issues can / are resolved if not then Livecode is not
really supportable for Linux applications unless you don't use datagrids
IMHO.

thanks,

Glen


From wow at together.net  Thu Apr 12 09:54:52 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:54:52 -0400
Subject: Need advice before submitting iPhone app
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F86DEAC.90708@together.net>

I'm on the verge of submitting an iPhone/iPad app. All features are 
working, including in-app purchasing. This app has 3 versions: free, 
standard version, and a premium version.

I want to take advantage of promoting the app by offering free promo 
codes to reviewers. But I believe those codes can only be used to obtain 
a given app (whatever version it might be), but cannot be used to unlock 
features through in-app processes. Seems to me the only way around this 
is to submit to Apple 3 separate versions of my app:

- Free version, containing in-app purchase options to upgrade
- Standard version, containing an in-app purchase option to upgrade to 
the Premium version
- Premium version

With this approach, I can give reviewers promo codes for the Premium 
version.

Is this the best way to go?

Thanks.
Richard Miller



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Apr 12 10:28:16 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:28:16 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Journal Forum login (was Re: How to detect Android or iOS)
In-Reply-To: <135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4F86E680.9000002@fourthworld.com>

Monte Goulding wrote:

>> Maybe more to the point:
>>
>> ???since when has LC Journal had a forum???
>>
>> It's not listed anywhere on the web site.
>
> Even more to the point why is my ip banned from it?

Because there is evil in the world.  ;)

When Ken and I were setting up that forum, I was getting dozens of new 
account requests every day - even before it had been linked to anywhere 
publicly.  The account names were obviously junk as well, and many if 
the IPs traced to the Ukraine, China, Russia and other known hotbeds of 
criminal online activity (I look forward to any of those countries 
proving me wrong by enforcing their own laws).

I've been through this mill as a moderator for the LiveCode forums, but 
here I have more privileges, so I exercised them brutally: I blocked 
entire IP ranges by geographic assignment.

Yep, like the many small software devs who get slammed with tens of 
thousands of downloads when a crack is posted on a Chinese blog, I 
looked up the IP address and the geographic assignment for it, and 
blocked some parts of the world from accessing the site at all.

It was the only way I could get back to real work, and it worked like a 
charm:  spambot attempts have dropped dramatically.

However -

The original geographic assignments for IP blocks have evolved over 
time, so that some addresses in ranges originally assigned to a given 
region have been returned to the pool and reassigned elsewhere.

And thus our good friend from Australia was blocked as though he were in 
the Ukraine.

While the LCJ forums were still being set up, the regional IP blocks 
were fine and did wonders for my productivity on client projects.

But now that Ken's provided links for it, obviously we need to refine 
those blocks.

So I'd like to ask you to do me a favor:

If you get a ban notice, please drop me an email at 
ambassador at fourthworld.com and note the IP address you're using.  I'll 
then remove that from the blocked range and you can try again.

Unfortunately this is the only productive way I can admin that site 
given the prevalence of spambots.  I'll also review the blocks and 
narrow them as time permits, but your help in identifying IP ranges that 
have been reassigned will make that job much simpler.

If it were a major forum in which we expected to draw a million users 
I'd simply hire someone to stay on top of the bots full time.  But as it 
is it's just a volunteer effort for a small number of specialized topics 
specific to the RevInterop project, a relatively tiny subset of things 
that aren't better suited for the more general audience at RunRev's 
LiveCode forums where all the major stuff happens.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but removing all those blocks en 
masse would result in a flood of new account requests that I simply 
don't have the time to address.

And when you create an account, please try to choose a meaningful name, 
something like "RichardG" or something else that sounds like a real 
person, as opposed to, say, "FreeViagra" or "UggBoots", so I can more 
easily distinguish your requests from the bots.

Note that disposable email address domains like "excite.com", 
"hotmail.com", "aol.com", and anything ending in ".ru" or ".ch", will 
remain blocked because such a block affects very few professionals but 
will stop a great many bots.

Draconian?  Absolutely.  As long as this is a highly specialized forum 
run as a volunteer effort, I need to remain very mindful of the time I 
devote to it, given that I'm also writing code libraries for the 
community and working on products for my clients and Fourth World.  The 
blocks I've put into place have transformed a serious millstone around 
my neck of colossal time wastage into something that can be useful 
without draining my time, so for the moment that's how it works.

If any of you want to volunteer for the time-consuming and 
mind-numbingly boring job of admining new account requests, I'll happily 
add you to the admin list and it's all yours.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Apr 12 10:38:36 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:38:36 -0700
Subject: Non-OS ads allowed?
Message-ID: <4F86E8EC.1000404@fourthworld.com>

I'm building my own ad server for a specialized desktop app, and it 
occurs to me that it would be useful to use those ads in mobile apps as 
well.

So the question is:  am I allowed to show my own ads in apps for iOS and 
Android?

I'm guessing the Apple answer is "no", but does anyone know if Google or 
Amazon prohibit the use of ads from outside of Google's system?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From john at splash21.com  Thu Apr 12 10:49:26 2012
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:49:26 +0100
Subject: Need advice before submitting iPhone app
In-Reply-To: <4F86DEAC.90708@together.net>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F86DEAC.90708@together.net>
Message-ID: <4F86EB76.5050605@splash21.com>

Hi, Richard.  From stackoverflow;

-----
You could submit a version of your application that has all features 
unlocked by default.
Submitted apps have a publish date that you can set when you submit (and 
I believe you can change this on the fly as well) you could simply 
prevent the app from being published in the App store but still be able 
to give promotional codes for it.
-----

Would that be workable for your app?

What version of LC are you using?  I've not managed to get in-app 
purchasing working yet - I've tried with 5.5, but always get an error 
"Cannot connect to iTunes Store"

John.


On 12/04/2012 14:54, Richard Miller wrote:
> I'm on the verge of submitting an iPhone/iPad app. All features are 
> working, including in-app purchasing. This app has 3 versions: free, 
> standard version, and a premium version.
>
> I want to take advantage of promoting the app by offering free promo 
> codes to reviewers. But I believe those codes can only be used to 
> obtain a given app (whatever version it might be), but cannot be used 
> to unlock features through in-app processes. Seems to me the only way 
> around this is to submit to Apple 3 separate versions of my app:
>
> - Free version, containing in-app purchase options to upgrade
> - Standard version, containing an in-app purchase option to upgrade to 
> the Premium version
> - Premium version
>
> With this approach, I can give reviewers promo codes for the Premium 
> version.
>
> Is this the best way to go?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
>
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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Apr 12 10:58:46 2012
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:58:46 +0200
Subject: LiveCode Journal Forum login (was Re: How to detect Android or
	iOS)
In-Reply-To: <4F86E680.9000002@fourthworld.com>
References: <135A8702-0E59-4308-8F5E-7D5FDC9A57E4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F86E680.9000002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3E0BE858-8A74-4EF7-B941-C14A722F7164@mac.com>


On 12.04.2012, at 16:28, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Note that disposable email address domains like "excite.com", "hotmail.com", "aol.com", and anything ending in ".ru" or ".ch",  will remain blocked because such a block affects very few professionals but will stop a great many bots.


Indeed a much smaller effect then you imagined, as ch is switzerland, and cn is china :)

(i'm not blocked from http://livecodejournal.com/forum/ )



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Apr 12 11:56:40 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:56:40 -0400
Subject: Non-OS ads allowed?
In-Reply-To: <4F86E8EC.1000404@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F86E8EC.1000404@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F0DD9C3F-F2C5-4448-B9FA-F20C858FF152@mac.com>

Richard, LC is doing just that with their in app ads for iOS and Android.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'm building my own ad server for a specialized desktop app, and it occurs to me that it would be useful to use those ads in mobile apps as well.
> 
> So the question is:  am I allowed to show my own ads in apps for iOS and Android?
> 
> I'm guessing the Apple answer is "no", but does anyone know if Google or Amazon prohibit the use of ads from outside of Google's system?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Apr 12 12:26:52 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect
	Android or iOS)
In-Reply-To: <4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <ED41B297-ED0A-4F29-8E3F-3A6FA5E52676@sonsothunder.com>

>> For more info, check this out:
>> 
>> http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=41
> 
> Cool. I keep missing the LC Journal stuff because I forget to go look. Is there an RSS feed for it?

Now that there's more awareness of LiveCode Journal forums, I thought that I should provide some info on the LiveCode Mobile section of the forums - it came about because I had been starting on a mobile development path and ran into a bunch of "gotchas" and tidbits of info that I was starting to keep in my own computer (in Scripter's Scrapbook, of course <grin>), but realized after a short time that it would be beneficial if that info was made available to more people and also be a "go-to" resource for myself as I'm doing mobile development.

So I started posting info I discovered as well relevant chunks of other developers' posts to the LC lists, and was planning on announcing it when it was farther along that it currently is. :D 

I also wanted it to be a more curated set of data so that threads didn't spin off into irrelevant directions, or new topics getting created that are actually covered elsewhere, so at least *for now*, if you want to add anything to what's already there, it needs to go through the moderator approval process and may take a day or so to appear. That said, feel free to browse around (http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19) and if you find something wrong or something you want to talk to me about, just shoot me an email.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Apr 12 12:38:19 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:38:19 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Journal Forum login (was Re: How to detect Android or
	iOS)
In-Reply-To: <3E0BE858-8A74-4EF7-B941-C14A722F7164@mac.com>
References: <3E0BE858-8A74-4EF7-B941-C14A722F7164@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F8704FB.9040206@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke wrote:
> On 12.04.2012, at 16:28, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Note that disposable email address domains like "excite.com", "hotmail.com", "aol.com", and anything ending in ".ru" or ".ch",  will remain blocked because such a block affects very few professionals but will stop a great many bots.
>
>
> Indeed a much smaller effect then you imagined, as ch is switzerland, and cn is china :)

Ah, pardon the typo.  Yes, .cn (apologies to anyone in the PRC who would 
like to access the LCJ forum, but your country's government is odd: 
they're among the few nations who can put a man into space but among the 
most ineffectual at enforcing cybercrime laws).

> (i'm not blocked from http://livecodejournal.com/forum/ )

Glad to hear.  Thanks for the confirmation.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Apr 12 12:40:14 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:40:14 -0700
Subject: Non-OS ads allowed?
In-Reply-To: <F0DD9C3F-F2C5-4448-B9FA-F20C858FF152@mac.com>
References: <F0DD9C3F-F2C5-4448-B9FA-F20C858FF152@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F87056E.7000104@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

 > On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
...
 >> So the question is:  am I allowed to show my own ads in apps for
 >> iOS and Android?
 >>
 >> I'm guessing the Apple answer is "no", but does anyone know if
 >> Google or Amazon prohibit the use of ads from outside of Google's
 >> system?
 >
 > Richard, LC is doing just that with their in app ads for iOS and
 > Android.

I didn't realize that.  RunRev runs an add server?  What network do they 
use?  And does Apple know?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 12 12:43:29 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:43:29 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect
	Android or iOS)
In-Reply-To: <ED41B297-ED0A-4F29-8E3F-3A6FA5E52676@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<ED41B297-ED0A-4F29-8E3F-3A6FA5E52676@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F870631.3040406@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/12/12 11:26 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
> I also wanted it to be a more curated set of data

I don't mind curated. It would be great if you could add an RSS feed 
though. I read the RR forum feed and it's handy because I don't always 
have time to visit the site but I always read the feeds. I'd love to 
have LC Journal in there too. Our resources are scattered over so many 
sites, having an aggregator collect the info is very useful.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Apr 12 13:24:19 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:24:19 -0400
Subject: Non-OS ads allowed?
In-Reply-To: <4F87056E.7000104@fourthworld.com>
References: <F0DD9C3F-F2C5-4448-B9FA-F20C858FF152@mac.com>
	<4F87056E.7000104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B705021B-49A1-441B-83EA-2A496DCBF7B7@mac.com>

Richard,  When you log into LC and go to your store account there should be a button for mobile advertising. 

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
> > On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> ...
> >> So the question is:  am I allowed to show my own ads in apps for
> >> iOS and Android?
> >>
> >> I'm guessing the Apple answer is "no", but does anyone know if
> >> Google or Amazon prohibit the use of ads from outside of Google's
> >> system?
> >
> > Richard, LC is doing just that with their in app ads for iOS and
> > Android.
> 
> I didn't realize that.  RunRev runs an add server?  What network do they use?  And does Apple know?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Apr 12 13:33:00 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:33:00 -0700
Subject: Non-OS ads allowed?
In-Reply-To: <B705021B-49A1-441B-83EA-2A496DCBF7B7@mac.com>
References: <B705021B-49A1-441B-83EA-2A496DCBF7B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F8711CC.1000703@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
 > Richard,  When you log into LC and go to your store account
 > there should be a button for mobile advertising.

Thanks, Tom.

I'm delightfully surprised to hear that Apple will allow devs to cut 
them out of their app revenue with the freedom to choose their own ad 
networks.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From wow at together.net  Thu Apr 12 14:18:15 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:18:15 -0400
Subject: Need advice before submitting iPhone app
In-Reply-To: <4F86EB76.5050605@splash21.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F86DEAC.90708@together.net> <4F86EB76.5050605@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <4F871C67.9040206@together.net>

Hi John,

I am using 5.0.2. Did you do these two things (from an earlier email I 
posted):

I made sure the iphone on which I am doing the testing has been logged 
out (in Settings-->Store)

I logged out of iTunesConnect.

Richard


On 4/12/2012 10:49 AM, John Craig wrote:
> Hi, Richard.  From stackoverflow;
>
> -----
> You could submit a version of your application that has all features 
> unlocked by default.
> Submitted apps have a publish date that you can set when you submit 
> (and I believe you can change this on the fly as well) you could 
> simply prevent the app from being published in the App store but still 
> be able to give promotional codes for it.
> -----
>
> Would that be workable for your app?
>
> What version of LC are you using?  I've not managed to get in-app 
> purchasing working yet - I've tried with 5.5, but always get an error 
> "Cannot connect to iTunes Store"
>
> John.
>
>
> On 12/04/2012 14:54, Richard Miller wrote:
>> I'm on the verge of submitting an iPhone/iPad app. All features are 
>> working, including in-app purchasing. This app has 3 versions: free, 
>> standard version, and a premium version.
>>
>> I want to take advantage of promoting the app by offering free promo 
>> codes to reviewers. But I believe those codes can only be used to 
>> obtain a given app (whatever version it might be), but cannot be used 
>> to unlock features through in-app processes. Seems to me the only way 
>> around this is to submit to Apple 3 separate versions of my app:
>>
>> - Free version, containing in-app purchase options to upgrade
>> - Standard version, containing an in-app purchase option to upgrade 
>> to the Premium version
>> - Premium version
>>
>> With this approach, I can give reviewers promo codes for the Premium 
>> version.
>>
>> Is this the best way to go?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Apr 12 15:27:29 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:27:29 -0700
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <534A0886-1130-45D2-B4A7-BB97272247D8@mac.com>
References: <534A0886-1130-45D2-B4A7-BB97272247D8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+cAoR13=+To56npzBydXZHuAc31yPwGdE6Rg854UkW3w@mail.gmail.com>

And sadly, I have not heard further from Jerry Daniels about any progress
in regard to Remo working with 5.x ...    http://www.remoeditor.com/ seems
to have been taken over with spam...

anyone here use the latest revision of the *open source GLX editor* with
Livecode 5.5?


On 12 April 2012 05:49, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> I just want to add my name to the chorus of issues not only with the
> script editor but with the 5.5 IDE in general. I have had situations where
> I change a line of script but the 'Apply' button stays dimmed. Editing is
> still allowed, i.e. the editor isn't stuck, and after a certain amount of
> messing around, 'Apply' lights up. I can't get a repeatable formula; nor
> can I with several other issues I've had with the IDE, including having
> lost 'it' as a predefined local for quite a large part of a day, despite
> restarting, and a rash of 'name shadows another' problems where the name in
> question seemed unique and the usual tests didn't contradict this. I have
> also had a script run when I was supposed to be editing? that happened just
> now when all I did was to create a new label field from the toolbar. But
> nothing repeatable so far. Very frustrating.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 2:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Script editor instability
>
>
> On 4/10/12 12:26 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> > On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Since I upgraded to 5.5, now and then the script editor cannot be
> >> moved. Rather the titlebar becomes a sort of resize tab, as if I
> >> clicked and dragged the actual resize tab. So trying to move the
> >> script editor window only results in resizing that window.I think
> >> it only changes the width, not the actual rect, like the real
> >> resize tab would.
> >
> > We are having a number of issues with stability in 5.5.  The problem
> > is that the script editor issues you are seeing are very sporadic.  I
> > think the majority of issues arise if you save with a command S often
> > like I do.  I find that the IDE becomes locked down for a period of
> > time before it returns.  Everything you do to it gets queued up and
> > runs through very fast once the IDE returns.  Once we have a better
> > recipe, I will bugzilla it. For now, I to am looking for others that
> > may be seeing this problem.  For the moment, our studio is moving all
> > desktop work back to 5.02 and leaving 5.5 for mobile work only.
>
>
> I've seen some issues too, but like you I can't pinpoint them. I've had
> more lockups recently than ever before. There's a decided delay before
> menus drop down too, and menu key shortcuts don't always work reliably
> any more, as Mark mentioned.
>
> I rarely Cmd-S from within the script editor, I usually save after
> bringing the stack to the front. But the lockups I've had are almost
> always in the editor, usually while stepping through code in debug mode.
>
> I've wondered if the problems are related to the rewrite of the field
> object.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Apr 12 15:47:35 2012
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:47:35 +0300
Subject: VStudio 5  -- SQLite plugin
In-Reply-To: <CBACF905.FDF16%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <CBAD0C07.FDF32%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

>> On 4/12/12 5:15 PM, "william humphrey" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

>> It opens SQLite files wonderfully. There is not a menu command to save a
>> SQLite file as a Valentina database.

Click SQLite database --  in contextual menu must be command to convert into
Valentina DB. 


======================
FYI:


SQLite plugin in Valentina Studio was developed more of  year ...

Vstudio constains code by size may be comparable to engine itself :)
related to Lite

=======
One of nasty "feature" of Lite was weak support of ALTERs

Igor and other guys did huge job to support ALTER oeprations in Lite like
for Valentina and Postgre ...

Even if table have records, Vstudio must be able e.g. ADD / DROP column of
table, change types, flags, and other things.

In background this can cause COPY of all records from one table to another.


Using DIAGRAMS SQLite developers can even get into hands that SQL scripts
and use them in own RB / LiveCode apps


DataEditor, which you are used in Valentina Studio also works for Lite and
Postgre. Works even Related Browser, if Foreign Key -- links are defined for
that dbs ..

And so on ... Reports, SQL Diff, ...

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 12 15:55:20 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:55:20 -0600
Subject: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
Message-ID: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>

I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up when you hold the mouse pointer over an object.  I browsed through the dictionary and nothing rings a bell.

Dar




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Apr 12 15:57:45 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:57:45 -0700
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfH+cAoR13=+To56npzBydXZHuAc31yPwGdE6Rg854UkW3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <534A0886-1130-45D2-B4A7-BB97272247D8@mac.com>
	<CAFmQfH+cAoR13=+To56npzBydXZHuAc31yPwGdE6Rg854UkW3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111236701187.20120412125745@ahsoftware.net>

stephen-

Thursday, April 12, 2012, 12:27:29 PM, you wrote:

> anyone here use the latest revision of the *open source GLX editor* with
> Livecode 5.5?

Glx2 was just updated a couple of days ago to version 1.0.19 to handle
some LC 5.5 bug^H^H^Hanomalies that I had to hack around.

http://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Apr 12 16:01:32 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:01:32 +0100
Subject: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an
	object
In-Reply-To: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W91755679D5D09FB42F4C4ED3A0@phx.gbl>




err... tooltip ... :-)

> I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up when you hold the mouse pointer over an object.  I browsed through the dictionary and nothing rings a bell.
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Apr 12 16:03:13 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:03:13 -0700
Subject: you know,
	that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
In-Reply-To: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9m_qkM9jnxmi7xfEZsrRu6msPwAOZsLwoVRqPvCbkfbhA@mail.gmail.com>

That's the tooltip.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up
> when you hold the mouse pointer over an object.  I browsed through the
> dictionary and nothing rings a bell.
>
> Dar
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Apr 12 16:03:40 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:03:40 +0200
Subject: you know,
	that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
In-Reply-To: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com>

Dar,

Do you mean the tooltip?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 12 apr 2012, at 21:55, Dar Scott wrote:

> I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up when you hold the mouse pointer over an object.  I browsed through the dictionary and nothing rings a bell.
> 
> Dar




From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Apr 12 16:48:10 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:48:10 +0200
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4910.1334248823.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.4910.1334248823.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D122A0B0-FF65-4645-B43C-5FC057FF83C4@mac.com>

Thanks very much Hugh Senior, Ken Ray and Mark Smith for their solutions, which are going in my scrapbook and then of course into the relevant projects.

Graham





From cmsheffield at me.com  Thu Apr 12 17:07:23 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:07:23 -0600
Subject: iOS: ask dialog and keyboard return key
Message-ID: <ADE30E01-57AE-4A68-BFC5-3B348B6A08ED@me.com>

When using the ask command in an iOS app, is there any way to make the keyboard return key activate the OK button in the dialog? This seems to be pretty standard behavior in most other iOS apps I've seen (just take a look at Apple's authentication dialog when purchasing anything from the app store). Is there some way to make it work this way in a LiveCode app? Maybe I'm just missing something.

Thanks,
Chris

--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Apr 12 17:34:03 2012
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:34:03 -0700
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <D122A0B0-FF65-4645-B43C-5FC057FF83C4@mac.com>
References: <mailman.4910.1334248823.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<D122A0B0-FF65-4645-B43C-5FC057FF83C4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CABx6j9nsC8_oJKfOpSonWzS_QgMj_U0ZT=fyrPtT5bh-RDV2eA@mail.gmail.com>

I use a similar technique for option menus. Set the text property to the
initial advisory (suitably colored). On mouseDown' set the text to the real
options.
On Apr 12, 2012 1:48 PM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Thanks very much Hugh Senior, Ken Ray and Mark Smith for their solutions,
> which are going in my scrapbook and then of course into the relevant
> projects.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Apr 12 17:46:57 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:46:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: you know,
	that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
In-Reply-To: <A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
	<A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>

All.


I am sure he means the "mouseText"


Bets?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object


Dar,

Do you mean the tooltip?

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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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On 12 apr 2012, at 21:55, Dar Scott wrote:

> I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up when 
you hold the mouse pointer over an object.  I browsed through the dictionary and 
nothing rings a bell.
> 
> Dar


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From cmsheffield at me.com  Thu Apr 12 17:47:08 2012
From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:47:08 -0600
Subject: iOS: using data grid on a retina display
In-Reply-To: <02FD37EF-DF49-4506-AA37-1F2B57F08182@me.com>
References: <02FD37EF-DF49-4506-AA37-1F2B57F08182@me.com>
Message-ID: <53702457-5370-4158-AB68-DE4138197B08@me.com>

I've never gotten a response on this. Is there no one using a data grid in an iPad retina app?

Thanks,
Chris


On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Is anyone using a data grid in an app that supports multiple resolutions? In particular, both iPad screens? I'm having a problem getting the data grid resized correctly to display on the iPad retina display. Is there a trick to it? Perhaps some property that can be set on the data grid that resizes everything at once? I have code that I'm running when my app starts up that resizes all my controls, and it works great, except with the data grid. Not quite sure how to handle that one. The grid is resizing correctly width-wise I believe, but not height-wise. I've customized my row template to display the data the way I want, and it looks great on the non-retina display. Do I need to resize the controls in my row template stack? I'm not currently doing that. Maybe that's my problem...
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 12 18:17:38 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:17:38 -0600
Subject: you know,
	that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
In-Reply-To: <8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
	<A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <242635C5-1388-4D12-86E0-236CAF2E2171@swcp.com>

Actually, it was tooltip that I could not remember.  However, I am inspired to think up a good reason to use the mouseText in something!  Thanks, everybody!  -- Dar

On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:46 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

> All.
> 
> 
> I am sure he means the "mouseText"
> 
> 
> Bets?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 4:05 pm
> Subject: Re: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
> 
> 
> Dar,
> 
> Do you mean the tooltip?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6
> 
> On 12 apr 2012, at 21:55, Dar Scott wrote:
> 
>> I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up when 
> you hold the mouse pointer over an object.  I browsed through the dictionary and 
> nothing rings a bell.
>> 
>> Dar
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 12 18:49:16 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:49:16 -0500
Subject: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an
	object
In-Reply-To: <242635C5-1388-4D12-86E0-236CAF2E2171@swcp.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com>
	<A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
	<242635C5-1388-4D12-86E0-236CAF2E2171@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4F875BEC.9050700@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/12/12 5:17 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> Actually, it was tooltip that I could not remember.  However, I am
> inspired to think up a good reason to use the mouseText in something!

Point and shoot: set the tooltip of btn 1 to the mousetext

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Apr 12 19:15:14 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:15:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: you know,
	that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
In-Reply-To: <4F875BEC.9050700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com><A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com><8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com><242635C5-1388-4D12-86E0-236CAF2E2171@swcp.com>
	<4F875BEC.9050700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE719405339C6-2A58-2009@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>

Jacque,


That sort of elegance brings tears of joy. It should be in either a tutorial, or a press release to C++ programmers on what they are missing.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object


On 4/12/12 5:17 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> Actually, it was tooltip that I could not remember.  However, I am
> inspired to think up a good reason to use the mouseText in something!

Point and shoot: set the tooltip of btn 1 to the mousetext

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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From john at splash21.com  Thu Apr 12 19:17:21 2012
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:17:21 +0100
Subject: Need advice before submitting iPhone app
In-Reply-To: <4F871C67.9040206@together.net>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F86DEAC.90708@together.net> <4F86EB76.5050605@splash21.com>
	<4F871C67.9040206@together.net>
Message-ID: <4F876281.9060908@splash21.com>

Thanks, Richard - I gave it a try, but I'm still getting the same 
message  :(


On 12/04/2012 19:18, Richard Miller wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I am using 5.0.2. Did you do these two things (from an earlier email I 
> posted):
>
> I made sure the iphone on which I am doing the testing has been logged 
> out (in Settings-->Store)
>
> I logged out of iTunesConnect.
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 4/12/2012 10:49 AM, John Craig wrote:
>> Hi, Richard.  From stackoverflow;
>>
>> -----
>> You could submit a version of your application that has all features 
>> unlocked by default.
>> Submitted apps have a publish date that you can set when you submit 
>> (and I believe you can change this on the fly as well) you could 
>> simply prevent the app from being published in the App store but 
>> still be able to give promotional codes for it.
>> -----
>>
>> Would that be workable for your app?
>>
>> What version of LC are you using?  I've not managed to get in-app 
>> purchasing working yet - I've tried with 5.5, but always get an error 
>> "Cannot connect to iTunes Store"
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> On 12/04/2012 14:54, Richard Miller wrote:
>>> I'm on the verge of submitting an iPhone/iPad app. All features are 
>>> working, including in-app purchasing. This app has 3 versions: free, 
>>> standard version, and a premium version.
>>>
>>> I want to take advantage of promoting the app by offering free promo 
>>> codes to reviewers. But I believe those codes can only be used to 
>>> obtain a given app (whatever version it might be), but cannot be 
>>> used to unlock features through in-app processes. Seems to me the 
>>> only way around this is to submit to Apple 3 separate versions of my 
>>> app:
>>>
>>> - Free version, containing in-app purchase options to upgrade
>>> - Standard version, containing an in-app purchase option to upgrade 
>>> to the Premium version
>>> - Premium version
>>>
>>> With this approach, I can give reviewers promo codes for the Premium 
>>> version.
>>>
>>> Is this the best way to go?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Apr 12 19:19:06 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:19:06 -0300
Subject: [OT] Installing lion, if I am not back in a week,
	send the rescue team...
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I am now installing lion. If you don't see me on this list in a week, send
in a rescue team. I will be the sobbing person in the corner of my office
hugging a broken mac.

=)

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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Apr 12 19:22:42 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:22:42 -0700
Subject: Script editor instability
In-Reply-To: <111236701187.20120412125745@ahsoftware.net>
References: <534A0886-1130-45D2-B4A7-BB97272247D8@mac.com>
	<CAFmQfH+cAoR13=+To56npzBydXZHuAc31yPwGdE6Rg854UkW3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<111236701187.20120412125745@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+pD7WOzJLLdAKAjF6zTtS=Xip3V73=wO2cpmWB_29vhw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Mark.

sqb

On 12 April 2012 12:57, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> stephen-
>
> Thursday, April 12, 2012, 12:27:29 PM, you wrote:
>
> > anyone here use the latest revision of the *open source GLX editor* with
> > Livecode 5.5?
>
> Glx2 was just updated a couple of days ago to version 1.0.19 to handle
> some LC 5.5 bug^H^H^Hanomalies that I had to hack around.
>
> http://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2
>
> --
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>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Apr 12 19:24:39 2012
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:24:39 +0200
Subject: [OT] Installing lion, if I am not back in a week,
	send the rescue team...
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86301771-F9F2-4B2A-A4E4-473C473D2DEE@m-r-d.de>

Good luck. ;)

I?ve waged this about 10 days ago. Until know i did not experienced any problem.

Matthias

Am 13.04.2012 um 01:19 schrieb Andre Garzia:

> Folks,
> 
> I am now installing lion. If you don't see me on this list in a week, send
> in a rescue team. I will be the sobbing person in the corner of my office
> hugging a broken mac.
> 
> =)
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 12 19:28:59 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:28:59 -0500
Subject: [OT] Installing lion, if I am not back in a week, send the rescue
	team...
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F87653B.90901@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/12/12 6:19 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am now installing lion. If you don't see me on this list in a week, send
> in a rescue team. I will be the sobbing person in the corner of my office
> hugging a broken mac.
>
> =)
>

If I had to do it, so do you. It's the cost of being an Apple developer now.

I got a rescue dog in case I needed one, and I would send him to you, 
but I already drank the whiskey from the flask on his collar. I don't 
suppose he'd be any use to you without that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 12 19:31:26 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:31:26 -0500
Subject: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an
	object
In-Reply-To: <8CEE719405339C6-2A58-2009@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com><A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com><8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com><242635C5-1388-4D12-86E0-236CAF2E2171@swcp.com>
	<4F875BEC.9050700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8CEE719405339C6-2A58-2009@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F8765CE.50407@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/12/12 6:15 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Jacque,
>
>
> That sort of elegance brings tears of joy.

My code often makes people cry...

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From wow at together.net  Thu Apr 12 19:44:10 2012
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:44:10 -0400
Subject: Need advice before submitting iPhone app
In-Reply-To: <4F876281.9060908@splash21.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F86DEAC.90708@together.net> <4F86EB76.5050605@splash21.com>
	<4F871C67.9040206@together.net> <4F876281.9060908@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <4F8768CA.6070203@together.net>

Have you completed the three forms in iTunesConnect, under Contracts, 
Tax and Banking? Mine wouldn't work until I worked through an issue in 
the tax form.



On 4/12/2012 7:17 PM, John Craig wrote:
> Thanks, Richard - I gave it a try, but I'm still getting the same 
> message  :(
>
>
> On 12/04/2012 19:18, Richard Miller wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I am using 5.0.2. Did you do these two things (from an earlier email 
>> I posted):
>>
>> I made sure the iphone on which I am doing the testing has been 
>> logged out (in Settings-->Store)
>>
>> I logged out of iTunesConnect.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 4/12/2012 10:49 AM, John Craig wrote:
>>> Hi, Richard.  From stackoverflow;
>>>
>>> -----
>>> You could submit a version of your application that has all features 
>>> unlocked by default.
>>> Submitted apps have a publish date that you can set when you submit 
>>> (and I believe you can change this on the fly as well) you could 
>>> simply prevent the app from being published in the App store but 
>>> still be able to give promotional codes for it.
>>> -----
>>>
>>> Would that be workable for your app?
>>>
>>> What version of LC are you using?  I've not managed to get in-app 
>>> purchasing working yet - I've tried with 5.5, but always get an 
>>> error "Cannot connect to iTunes Store"
>>>
>>> John.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/04/2012 14:54, Richard Miller wrote:
>>>> I'm on the verge of submitting an iPhone/iPad app. All features are 
>>>> working, including in-app purchasing. This app has 3 versions: 
>>>> free, standard version, and a premium version.
>>>>
>>>> I want to take advantage of promoting the app by offering free 
>>>> promo codes to reviewers. But I believe those codes can only be 
>>>> used to obtain a given app (whatever version it might be), but 
>>>> cannot be used to unlock features through in-app processes. Seems 
>>>> to me the only way around this is to submit to Apple 3 separate 
>>>> versions of my app:
>>>>
>>>> - Free version, containing in-app purchase options to upgrade
>>>> - Standard version, containing an in-app purchase option to upgrade 
>>>> to the Premium version
>>>> - Premium version
>>>>
>>>> With this approach, I can give reviewers promo codes for the 
>>>> Premium version.
>>>>
>>>> Is this the best way to go?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 12 20:06:39 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:06:39 -0600
Subject: you know,
	that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
In-Reply-To: <4F8765CE.50407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <15E7ED21-C4C5-47BD-8321-641FB88C4EEC@swcp.com><A3940394-B909-4839-B7EE-D71A27381A3F@economy-x-talk.com><8CEE70CEB0928D5-2A58-967@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com><242635C5-1388-4D12-86E0-236CAF2E2171@swcp.com>
	<4F875BEC.9050700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8CEE719405339C6-2A58-2009@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
	<4F8765CE.50407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4666B9E3-32FD-4EF2-85F1-090BDAF0AF49@swcp.com>

Thank you for cheering me up, you two!  

I use the object inspector as an aid in remembering property names.  I thought I would just click on an object and look at the property inspector and immediately see what I was trying to remember.  Unfortunately, that doesn't work if I click on a group and don't notice.  

Dar

On Apr 12, 2012, at 5:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/12/12 6:15 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> Jacque,
>> 
>> 
>> That sort of elegance brings tears of joy.
> 
> My code often makes people cry...
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 20:39:27 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:39:27 +0900
Subject: scroll field to a searched-for word
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxm2AG+7P6tuv5_X4csyv6wdW_qzpE+zLk2wx4ubZaQryQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Most very likely, somewhere on the list can come up much faster than I
can with a method for this.

My stack has a vertically-scrollable text-field with a long text, and
a listbehavior field with a word on each cr-line. The effect I'm after
is, when a user searches for a word by clicking on the listbehavior
field, the text-field will get vertically scrolled to the line where
that word is.  Plus, if that word could get hilited, that would be a
nice bonus too.

Thank you in advance.

--
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 21:23:33 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:23:33 -0600
Subject: Linux application crashes
Message-ID: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have discovered a potential problem with my Livecode app running on
CentOS 6.2

Basic summary is that the application queries databases and generates
graphs. The application does snapshots of these graphs and allows the user
to position them  or re-order them.

After stress testing the app (which is due to be released this week) we
discover that after generating a volume of snapshots of the graphs (low
100s) that the application crashes hard ... ie just shuts down.

Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
anything in helping the application to continue to run??

Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?

>From above it is easy for anyone to reproduce if they have a Linux system
(we are locked to CentOS).

regards,

Glen


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Apr 12 21:32:14 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:32:14 -0300
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTmYfwBKke+5S_b8StbiEYt4jYViTXKRBjDYx8sQxuwLRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Glen,

My linux system is down (fried psu) so I can't test it right now, sorry.

I advise you to check with support at support at runrev.com this sounds like a
blocker.

Best
andre

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have discovered a potential problem with my Livecode app running on
> CentOS 6.2
>
> Basic summary is that the application queries databases and generates
> graphs. The application does snapshots of these graphs and allows the user
> to position them  or re-order them.
>
> After stress testing the app (which is due to be released this week) we
> discover that after generating a volume of snapshots of the graphs (low
> 100s) that the application crashes hard ... ie just shuts down.
>
> Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
> snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
> anything in helping the application to continue to run??
>
> Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?
>
> From above it is easy for anyone to reproduce if they have a Linux system
> (we are locked to CentOS).
>
> regards,
>
> Glen
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Apr 12 21:51:31 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:51:31 -0300
Subject: [OT] Installing lion, if I am not back in a week,
	send the rescue team...
In-Reply-To: <4F87653B.90901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F87653B.90901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkj=stnHhSmM9HTSdSGjLRxsG3MowkoV6cvJod9r9eAnA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 4/12/12 6:19 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I am now installing lion. If you don't see me on this list in a week, send
>> in a rescue team. I will be the sobbing person in the corner of my office
>> hugging a broken mac.
>>
>> =)
>>
>>
> If I had to do it, so do you. It's the cost of being an Apple developer
> now.
>
> I got a rescue dog in case I needed one, and I would send him to you, but
> I already drank the whiskey from the flask on his collar. I don't suppose
> he'd be any use to you without that.
>
>
Thanks for the offer. I tried strapping a flask of whiskey to my cats but
it didn't work. Well, the big cat is working. The finder feels strange...



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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 22:07:11 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:07:11 -0600
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTmYfwBKke+5S_b8StbiEYt4jYViTXKRBjDYx8sQxuwLRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTmYfwBKke+5S_b8StbiEYt4jYViTXKRBjDYx8sQxuwLRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <609625DA-00BE-4FDE-B192-3F88A3FD0F75@gmail.com>

Hi Andre,

I have sent in to support at runrev.com as well.

This is a blocker since any Linux application done in Livecode could easily experience this and give the end user a bad taste.

I just tried the same tests on OS X and did not have any issues.

Hopefully it can be fixed.

... sorry to hear about your Linux system.

thanks,

Glen

On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Glen,
> 
> My linux system is down (fried psu) so I can't test it right now, sorry.
> 
> I advise you to check with support at support at runrev.com this sounds like a
> blocker.
> 
> Best
> andre
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have discovered a potential problem with my Livecode app running on
>> CentOS 6.2
>> 
>> Basic summary is that the application queries databases and generates
>> graphs. The application does snapshots of these graphs and allows the user
>> to position them  or re-order them.
>> 
>> After stress testing the app (which is due to be released this week) we
>> discover that after generating a volume of snapshots of the graphs (low
>> 100s) that the application crashes hard ... ie just shuts down.
>> 
>> Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
>> snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
>> anything in helping the application to continue to run??
>> 
>> Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?
>> 
>> From above it is easy for anyone to reproduce if they have a Linux system
>> (we are locked to CentOS).
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Glen
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Apr 12 22:32:53 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:32:53 -0700
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481260409328.20120412193253@ahsoftware.net>

Glen-

Thursday, April 12, 2012, 6:23:33 PM, you wrote:

> Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
> snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
> anything in helping the application to continue to run??

> Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?

Have you monitored available memory and other system resources while
doing this? Any clues from that?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Apr 12 22:49:02 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:49:02 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect
	Android or iOS)
In-Reply-To: <4F870631.3040406@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<ED41B297-ED0A-4F29-8E3F-3A6FA5E52676@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F870631.3040406@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F905792A-41B1-419E-A45B-48A0D416AC81@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:43 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/12/12 11:26 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
>> I also wanted it to be a more curated set of data
> 
> I don't mind curated. It would be great if you could add an RSS feed though. I read the RR forum feed and it's handy because I don't always have time to visit the site but I always read the feeds. I'd love to have LC Journal in there too. Our resources are scattered over so many sites, having an aggregator collect the info is very useful.

Your wish is my command <grin> - the RSS feed has been enabled (same way as in the LC forums)...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 12 23:31:37 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:31:37 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Mobile Info at LiveCode Journal (was Re: How to detect
	Android or iOS)
In-Reply-To: <F905792A-41B1-419E-A45B-48A0D416AC81@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoSRNx2nM0zwzOx5qCXSc_5hFu+6od=_etdm+MyEssuVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkGAHPVFegh+W2Wo_zJX1VJyw1LN+Ekqv15W1u8kU=Sdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<194BE633-4044-47B6-8E1D-49F6144D2951@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F8653F4.5060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<ED41B297-ED0A-4F29-8E3F-3A6FA5E52676@sonsothunder.com>
	<4F870631.3040406@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F905792A-41B1-419E-A45B-48A0D416AC81@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4F879E19.6090809@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/12/12 9:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Your wish is my command<grin>  - the RSS feed has been enabled (same
> way as in the LC forums)...

Thank you! I'm on it. :)

-- 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Apr 12 23:53:36 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:53:36 -0300
Subject: [OT] Installing lion, if I am not back in a week,
	send the rescue team...
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkj=stnHhSmM9HTSdSGjLRxsG3MowkoV6cvJod9r9eAnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F87653B.90901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAF3jwTkj=stnHhSmM9HTSdSGjLRxsG3MowkoV6cvJod9r9eAnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTnW6ChuHipox51bCGNiUmDwvwk6HQfVq=hGJs8=--m4ug@mail.gmail.com>

eheheh,

Silly Lion, just installed the damn thing and it already kernel panic'd
twice!!! Any trick I should know to work with the new XCode thing?

Cheers
andre


From tolistim at me.com  Thu Apr 12 23:56:37 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:56:37 -0700
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B1163AD-0E2F-440D-B2F1-10391436C7F5@me.com>

Glen,

I sincerely doubt that this is related to the version of Linux you are using.  This sounds like a potential memory leak in your graphing functionality.  Are you using native LiveCode or someone's plugin / stack?

Tim

On Apr 12, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have discovered a potential problem with my Livecode app running on
> CentOS 6.2
> 
> Basic summary is that the application queries databases and generates
> graphs. The application does snapshots of these graphs and allows the user
> to position them  or re-order them.
> 
> After stress testing the app (which is due to be released this week) we
> discover that after generating a volume of snapshots of the graphs (low
> 100s) that the application crashes hard ... ie just shuts down.
> 
> Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
> snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
> anything in helping the application to continue to run??
> 
> Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?
> 
> From above it is easy for anyone to reproduce if they have a Linux system
> (we are locked to CentOS).
> 
> regards,
> 
> Glen




From jhj at jhj.com  Fri Apr 13 00:03:05 2012
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:03:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] Installing lion, if I am not back in a week,
	send the rescue team...
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTnW6ChuHipox51bCGNiUmDwvwk6HQfVq=hGJs8=--m4ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnwKsfXwnrFmAtTwiLRMtO+bK63LwN+_KtKY77Onh6RFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F87653B.90901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAF3jwTkj=stnHhSmM9HTSdSGjLRxsG3MowkoV6cvJod9r9eAnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTnW6ChuHipox51bCGNiUmDwvwk6HQfVq=hGJs8=--m4ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A541892-3E64-46B7-9C24-6BABC6025345@jhj.com>

On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> eheheh,
> 
> Silly Lion, just installed the damn thing and it already kernel panic'd
> twice!!! Any trick I should know to work with the new XCode thing?
> 
> Cheers
> andre

Don't let it eat meat.




From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Apr 13 00:20:57 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:20:57 -0300
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Just installed Mac OS X Lion and was trying to build a little mobile app
when I discovered that I needed a new XCode for that. While I was
downloading the new version, I went to browse my TV news. Here in Brazil,
in our main broadcast channel, we have a series called "The Brazilians
Girls" which is a comedy. Each episode they pick a Brazilian city and tell
a story about some girl from there, all fiction, the titles are like "the
dreamer from that city" or "the singer from this city", my city was just
featured and the episode was called (bad translation) "the passionate from
Niter?i". The actual word is not passionate but a Portuguese word that
means a girl who is in love. They change the opening credits for each
episode to show the views from the given city. This is my city:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0aEzIEIODHc

At about 0:24 you can see the beach where I live, actually I don't live at
the beach front, I live three city blocks down but my building is high
enough (18th floor) so I have a good view of the Guanabara Bay (prettiest
bay ever).

I just sent this video because some people asked during the last conference
what my city looked like, well, these are the good parts. Pay attention on
our Spaceship Enterprise look-a-like modern art museum and on the pretty
geography.

Cheers
andre
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http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.


From john at splash21.com  Fri Apr 13 03:47:55 2012
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:47:55 +0100
Subject: In app purchase error fix (was Re: Need advice before submitting
	iPhone app)
In-Reply-To: <4F8768CA.6070203@together.net>
References: <CAF3jwTkSmqeLbRSAfV23b1tfZnS0pCfsKJSJQ3eTaqmq=vvTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpVwktsNWoY9qvNNOdUYeg9+rQWXFxDZ7BNjxx7G_RH+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F86DEAC.90708@together.net> <4F86EB76.5050605@splash21.com>
	<4F871C67.9040206@together.net> <4F876281.9060908@splash21.com>
	<4F8768CA.6070203@together.net>
Message-ID: <4F87DA2B.4000703@splash21.com>

Googling this problem brings up a lot of possible solutions.  For me, 
the following steps solved the problem;

Remove the app from the device,
Remove any ad-hoc or team provisioning profiles,
Re-install the app

:)


On 13/04/2012 00:44, Richard Miller wrote:
> Have you completed the three forms in iTunesConnect, under Contracts, 
> Tax and Banking? Mine wouldn't work until I worked through an issue in 
> the tax form.
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2012 7:17 PM, John Craig wrote:
>> Thanks, Richard - I gave it a try, but I'm still getting the same 
>> message  :(
>>
>>
>> On 12/04/2012 19:18, Richard Miller wrote:
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I am using 5.0.2. Did you do these two things (from an earlier email 
>>> I posted):
>>>
>>> I made sure the iphone on which I am doing the testing has been 
>>> logged out (in Settings-->Store)
>>>
>>> I logged out of iTunesConnect.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/12/2012 10:49 AM, John Craig wrote:
>>>> Hi, Richard.  From stackoverflow;
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> You could submit a version of your application that has all 
>>>> features unlocked by default.
>>>> Submitted apps have a publish date that you can set when you submit 
>>>> (and I believe you can change this on the fly as well) you could 
>>>> simply prevent the app from being published in the App store but 
>>>> still be able to give promotional codes for it.
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> Would that be workable for your app?
>>>>
>>>> What version of LC are you using?  I've not managed to get in-app 
>>>> purchasing working yet - I've tried with 5.5, but always get an 
>>>> error "Cannot connect to iTunes Store"
>>>>
>>>> John.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2012 14:54, Richard Miller wrote:
>>>>> I'm on the verge of submitting an iPhone/iPad app. All features 
>>>>> are working, including in-app purchasing. This app has 3 versions: 
>>>>> free, standard version, and a premium version.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to take advantage of promoting the app by offering free 
>>>>> promo codes to reviewers. But I believe those codes can only be 
>>>>> used to obtain a given app (whatever version it might be), but 
>>>>> cannot be used to unlock features through in-app processes. Seems 
>>>>> to me the only way around this is to submit to Apple 3 separate 
>>>>> versions of my app:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Free version, containing in-app purchase options to upgrade
>>>>> - Standard version, containing an in-app purchase option to 
>>>>> upgrade to the Premium version
>>>>> - Premium version
>>>>>
>>>>> With this approach, I can give reviewers promo codes for the 
>>>>> Premium version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this the best way to go?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Apr 13 07:31:58 2012
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:31:58 -0400
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNkV0CfPwFTfFYdHJTpooq5bzad2a9CdU5ikbJeBiv7ug@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This is my city:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0aEzIEIODHc
>
> At about 0:24 you can see the beach where I live, actually I don't live at
> the beach front, I live three city blocks down but my building is high
> enough (18th floor) so I have a good view of the Guanabara Bay (prettiest
> bay ever).
>
> Cheers
> andre
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code.
> http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.


 Very nice!  I like those white domes and wavy structures.  They look very
futuristic.

~Roger


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 07:53:05 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:53:05 -0600
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <1B1163AD-0E2F-440D-B2F1-10391436C7F5@me.com>
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B1163AD-0E2F-440D-B2F1-10391436C7F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <CACW8NbBQVf0ekZPUuGrBV+y4OYuQcQwEx4zH+sfneN+-GKZjew@mail.gmail.com>

My latest update / feedback on the issue...

I tried monitoring the memory on the Centos 6.2 system with top -p $(pgrep
Xorg) and watching the %MEM. It was really interesting and informative...
when I launched the application I was down at 1.5% MEM and as I did
database queries and plots I saw it increase between 0.3 and 0.5 % each
time (This had several queries with large numbers of data).

To address Tim's concern I stopped doing any graphing and solely did a
series of import snapshots.

Background here: I am trying to produce a "poor man's" powerpoint where
each card is a slide and I have a text field that acts as a background.

A import snaphot of the image on each card --> reduce the new image and
then place the image in the text field by replacing the first letter in a
line in the text field.

Each image is associated to the card's name which is then associated with
the line of text in the field.

Anytime the user wants to re-arrange the sequence of cards/slides they can
click and drag the associated image in the text field to the position they
want and this then triggers a "refresh" where all the card images are then
again having their image being done as an import snapshot and placed back
in the text field.

So essentially, going through this cycle several times showed the memory to
start increasing approximately .7% each cycle. (this is where there are 20
cards so 20 images)

I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
increase 1.2% each cycle!

Never has the memory decreased.

I removed ALL images and cards except for the intro card and the memory
never decreased?!

All I had to do is move the images in the text field as a user would when
wanting to re-arrange things and when I hit approx 80% MEM the application
stops and shuts down.

MAC OS X experience: using the activity monitor and watching the
application I saw the memory increase a little and then remain fairly
constant while I cycle through the re-arranging of images in the text field.

The difference is that it did NOT just continually grow in size similar to
what I saw on CentOS.

Also, when I deleted all the images except for the intro card the memory on
the OS X dropped to almost where I started.

My conclusion is that the memory and application on OS X are acting as what
it probably should be. The CentOS is just a straight climb up ... which
means, if true, then any Livecode Linux apps will crash and it only depends
on when. Obviously some applications may only increase the memory in
decimal % so it would take a while and may never happen if the user closes
the app between uses.

I think this is serious to the point that someone has to fix quickly
because Livecode sells this as a supported platform and if it fails this
easily then the overall credibility of Livecode and it's user community
suffers.

With our app due shortly we can't take a chance that the user doesn't
experience this so we are not certain what to do.

Glen

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com> wrote:

> Glen,
>
> I sincerely doubt that this is related to the version of Linux you are
> using.  This sounds like a potential memory leak in your graphing
> functionality.  Are you using native LiveCode or someone's plugin / stack?
>
> Tim
>
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have discovered a potential problem with my Livecode app running on
> > CentOS 6.2
> >
> > Basic summary is that the application queries databases and generates
> > graphs. The application does snapshots of these graphs and allows the
> user
> > to position them  or re-order them.
> >
> > After stress testing the app (which is due to be released this week) we
> > discover that after generating a volume of snapshots of the graphs (low
> > 100s) that the application crashes hard ... ie just shuts down.
> >
> > Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
> > snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
> > anything in helping the application to continue to run??
> >
> > Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?
> >
> > From above it is easy for anyone to reproduce if they have a Linux system
> > (we are locked to CentOS).
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Glen
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Apr 13 07:58:21 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:58:21 -0300
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXNkV0CfPwFTfFYdHJTpooq5bzad2a9CdU5ikbJeBiv7ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
>  Very nice!  I like those white domes and wavy structures.  They look very
> futuristic.
>
>
Roger,

Glad you liked. They are designed by Oscar Niemeyer (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Niemeyer) he is 104 years old as of now,
he still alive and still working. He created lots of futuristic looking
structures in Brazil. Our capital Brasilia looks like a star trek set or
something. Still, I like his style. My city is the second city that has
more buildings made by him in the country, the first is Brasilia. We have a
path that goes all the shoreline called "The Niemeyer Path" and it has
theaters, movie museum, modern art museum and other structures made by him.
It may not be a safe city but it sure looks good.

=)

Our engineers, architects and designers are really good. All we're missing
now is a honest government. My mayor lives in Miami (true)...



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From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Apr 13 08:59:31 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:59:31 +0200
Subject: iOS Simulator gotcha
Message-ID: <EA1E72BE-2FBF-4EE9-A98A-044BE976A44C@mac.com>

The app I'm developing suddenly stopped working in the Simulator - previously it was starting up with no problems, and I was debugging various data entry handlers quite far into the code - I have not changed the setup code for a long time. 

I got an error code (255) from the Simulator but couldn't find any reference to it in the XCode/Simulator docs so I was despairing, particularly since for some time I had been debugging a behavior that is not invoked in the app's startup sequence. This code doubtless contains errors, but not ones detected by the LC compiler.

I then had the rather illogical idea of commenting out the button (behavior) script and trying again, and Bingo! the simulation was working again. I then, even more illogically, restored the script of the button and the simulator went on working.

I think at this point Americans say "go figure", don't they?

Graham



From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Apr 13 10:03:07 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:03:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: scroll field to a searched-for word
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Hi.


You can do this by using the "formattedText" to hard wrap the lines in your text field, so that the "lineOffset" function can find your text string. As an example, I made three fields. One (fld "fieldA") contains some original text with certain words that you might want to find in it, wrapped. The second (fld "fieldB") is a target field, and a third (fld "wordList") contains the actual words that you want to find. This is a locked list field.


In the list field, place:



on mouseup
   put the clickText into tText
   answer lineoffset(tText, fld "fielda")
   put fld "fielda" into fld "fieldb"
   set the text of fld  "fieldb" to the formattedText of fld "fieldb"
   answer lineoffset(tText, the formattedtext of fld "fieldb")
end mouseup


You should see that the first answer returns a smaller number than the second, since wrapping makes the number of visible lines larger than the actual number of lines in the field.


With this you can get the lineOffset of the found word in the formatted fld "fieldB" and use textHeight properties to scroll to the correct line. You will want to restore the unwrapped text back into the original after you are done.


I bet there are 


Craig Newman









-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: LiveCode - general LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: scroll field to a searched-for word


Hello All,

Most very likely, somewhere on the list can come up much faster than I
can with a method for this.

My stack has a vertically-scrollable text-field with a long text, and
a listbehavior field with a word on each cr-line. The effect I'm after
is, when a user searches for a word by clicking on the listbehavior
field, the text-field will get vertically scrolled to the line where
that word is.  Plus, if that word could get hilited, that would be a
nice bonus too.

Thank you in advance.

--
Nicolas Cueto

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From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Apr 13 10:16:36 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:16:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: scroll field to a searched-for word
In-Reply-To: <8CEE79547515B9D-2420-F8D@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
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As I said, "I bet there are".  And I was right. This came from somebody in a past discussion.


Make another field with lots of text in it. Make this mostly wrapped text. Lock the field, and put this in it:



on mouseUp
   put word 2 of the clickCharChunk into myPos
   put the formattedText of fld 2 into myText
   put number of lines of (char 1 to myPos of myText) into myLineNr
   answer myLineNr
end mouseUp


This smacks of Jacque, but not sure. Anyway, this should give you another insight into how to make your gadget work. Again, it uses the formattedText to hard wrap those pesky lines that hide the actual number of lines in the field.


Craig Newman





-----Original Message-----
From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:05 am
Subject: Re: scroll field to a searched-for word


Hi.


You can do this by using the "formattedText" to hard wrap the lines in your text 
field, so that the "lineOffset" function can find your text string. As an 
example, I made three fields. One (fld "fieldA") contains some original text 
with certain words that you might want to find in it, wrapped. The second (fld 
"fieldB") is a target field, and a third (fld "wordList") contains the actual 
words that you want to find. This is a locked list field.


In the list field, place:



on mouseup
   put the clickText into tText
   answer lineoffset(tText, fld "fielda")
   put fld "fielda" into fld "fieldb"
   set the text of fld  "fieldb" to the formattedText of fld "fieldb"
   answer lineoffset(tText, the formattedtext of fld "fieldb")
end mouseup


You should see that the first answer returns a smaller number than the second, 
since wrapping makes the number of visible lines larger than the actual number 
of lines in the field.


With this you can get the lineOffset of the found word in the formatted fld 
"fieldB" and use textHeight properties to scroll to the correct line. You will 
want to restore the unwrapped text back into the original after you are done.


I bet there are 


Craig Newman









-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: LiveCode - general LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: scroll field to a searched-for word


Hello All,

Most very likely, somewhere on the list can come up much faster than I
can with a method for this.

My stack has a vertically-scrollable text-field with a long text, and
a listbehavior field with a word on each cr-line. The effect I'm after
is, when a user searches for a word by clicking on the listbehavior
field, the text-field will get vertically scrolled to the line where
that word is.  Plus, if that word could get hilited, that would be a
nice bonus too.

Thank you in advance.

--
Nicolas Cueto

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From tolistim at me.com  Fri Apr 13 10:40:22 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:40:22 -0700
Subject: Linux application crashes
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On Apr 13, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> So essentially, going through this cycle several times showed the memory to
> start increasing approximately .7% each cycle. (this is where there are 20
> cards so 20 images)
> 
> I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
> increase 1.2% each cycle!
> 
> Never has the memory decreased.

That is definitely something to report to the LC bug system.  Memory leaks in the LiveCode framework are not something that we mere mortals can work around.

One additional question - which version of LC are you using?

Tim




From chris at altuit.com  Fri Apr 13 10:44:53 2012
From: chris at altuit.com (Chris Bohnert)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:44:53 -0500
Subject: Linux application crashes
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Hey Glenn,

My suggestion, while you're waiting to hear from support, would be to run
your app with a tool like Valgrind.  It could be you've found a leak in the
engine, but you might just have a buggy dependency in your Centos distro.
 Valgrind output may give you some hints as to where.

--
cb

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:

> My latest update / feedback on the issue...
>
> I tried monitoring the memory on the Centos 6.2 system with top -p $(pgrep
> Xorg) and watching the %MEM. It was really interesting and informative...
> when I launched the application I was down at 1.5% MEM and as I did
> database queries and plots I saw it increase between 0.3 and 0.5 % each
> time (This had several queries with large numbers of data).
>
> To address Tim's concern I stopped doing any graphing and solely did a
> series of import snapshots.
>
> Background here: I am trying to produce a "poor man's" powerpoint where
> each card is a slide and I have a text field that acts as a background.
>
> A import snaphot of the image on each card --> reduce the new image and
> then place the image in the text field by replacing the first letter in a
> line in the text field.
>
> Each image is associated to the card's name which is then associated with
> the line of text in the field.
>
> Anytime the user wants to re-arrange the sequence of cards/slides they can
> click and drag the associated image in the text field to the position they
> want and this then triggers a "refresh" where all the card images are then
> again having their image being done as an import snapshot and placed back
> in the text field.
>
> So essentially, going through this cycle several times showed the memory to
> start increasing approximately .7% each cycle. (this is where there are 20
> cards so 20 images)
>
> I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
> increase 1.2% each cycle!
>
> Never has the memory decreased.
>
> I removed ALL images and cards except for the intro card and the memory
> never decreased?!
>
> All I had to do is move the images in the text field as a user would when
> wanting to re-arrange things and when I hit approx 80% MEM the application
> stops and shuts down.
>
> MAC OS X experience: using the activity monitor and watching the
> application I saw the memory increase a little and then remain fairly
> constant while I cycle through the re-arranging of images in the text
> field.
>
> The difference is that it did NOT just continually grow in size similar to
> what I saw on CentOS.
>
> Also, when I deleted all the images except for the intro card the memory on
> the OS X dropped to almost where I started.
>
> My conclusion is that the memory and application on OS X are acting as what
> it probably should be. The CentOS is just a straight climb up ... which
> means, if true, then any Livecode Linux apps will crash and it only depends
> on when. Obviously some applications may only increase the memory in
> decimal % so it would take a while and may never happen if the user closes
> the app between uses.
>
> I think this is serious to the point that someone has to fix quickly
> because Livecode sells this as a supported platform and if it fails this
> easily then the overall credibility of Livecode and it's user community
> suffers.
>
> With our app due shortly we can't take a chance that the user doesn't
> experience this so we are not certain what to do.
>
> Glen
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com> wrote:
>
> > Glen,
> >
> > I sincerely doubt that this is related to the version of Linux you are
> > using.  This sounds like a potential memory leak in your graphing
> > functionality.  Are you using native LiveCode or someone's plugin /
> stack?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have discovered a potential problem with my Livecode app running on
> > > CentOS 6.2
> > >
> > > Basic summary is that the application queries databases and generates
> > > graphs. The application does snapshots of these graphs and allows the
> > user
> > > to position them  or re-order them.
> > >
> > > After stress testing the app (which is due to be released this week) we
> > > discover that after generating a volume of snapshots of the graphs (low
> > > 100s) that the application crashes hard ... ie just shuts down.
> > >
> > > Even if, before generating more snapshots, you delete all existing
> > > snapshots the application shuts down... deleting doesn't seem to do
> > > anything in helping the application to continue to run??
> > >
> > > Are there any suggestions that can be tried to solve this?
> > >
> > > From above it is easy for anyone to reproduce if they have a Linux
> system
> > > (we are locked to CentOS).
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Glen
> >
> >
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 11:06:08 2012
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:06:08 +0100
Subject: Linux application crashes
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This sounds similar.
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7257

Not saying it is the same bug.  Just your description triggered a
familiar odour.

Bernard

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:
> My latest update / feedback on the issue...
>
> I tried monitoring the memory on the Centos 6.2 system with top -p $(pgrep
> Xorg) and watching the %MEM. It was really interesting and informative...
> when I launched the application I was down at 1.5% MEM and as I did
> database queries and plots I saw it increase between 0.3 and 0.5 % each
> time (This had several queries with large numbers of data).
>
> To address Tim's concern I stopped doing any graphing and solely did a
> series of import snapshots.
>

snip

> So essentially, going through this cycle several times showed the memory to
> start increasing approximately .7% each cycle. (this is where there are 20
> cards so 20 images)
>
> I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
> increase 1.2% each cycle!
>
> Never has the memory decreased.
>
> I removed ALL images and cards except for the intro card and the memory
> never decreased?!



From gbojsza at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 11:13:48 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:13:48 -0600
Subject: Linux application crashes
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I build a scaled version of a test stack and application and sent it to
support.

On my system this shows an increase of 1.2% to 1.4% in memory usage with
each click... so from a stress test perspective 70 clicks or less and the
application crashes. the memory continues to climb unless the application
is closed. There is also a button that removes all the images (ie start
clean) and the memory does not decrease or change.

So we will wait to hear from the support team.

I have tarred the folder and if anyone wants to try it (24.6 MB) then let
me know since I need to use an email address when sharing from google docs.



On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds similar.
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7257
>
> Not saying it is the same bug.  Just your description triggered a
> familiar odour.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My latest update / feedback on the issue...
> >
> > I tried monitoring the memory on the Centos 6.2 system with top -p
> $(pgrep
> > Xorg) and watching the %MEM. It was really interesting and informative...
> > when I launched the application I was down at 1.5% MEM and as I did
> > database queries and plots I saw it increase between 0.3 and 0.5 % each
> > time (This had several queries with large numbers of data).
> >
> > To address Tim's concern I stopped doing any graphing and solely did a
> > series of import snapshots.
> >
>
> snip
>
> > So essentially, going through this cycle several times showed the memory
> to
> > start increasing approximately .7% each cycle. (this is where there are
> 20
> > cards so 20 images)
> >
> > I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
> > increase 1.2% each cycle!
> >
> > Never has the memory decreased.
> >
> > I removed ALL images and cards except for the intro card and the memory
> > never decreased?!
>
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 11:22:02 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:22:02 -0600
Subject: Linux application crashes
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The tarball can be gotten here...

http://www.box.com/s/07d396287def00f59b8e

If you launch the application then all you need to do is click any of the
images in the scrolling field and watch the memory.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:

> I build a scaled version of a test stack and application and sent it to
> support.
>
> On my system this shows an increase of 1.2% to 1.4% in memory usage with
> each click... so from a stress test perspective 70 clicks or less and the
> application crashes. the memory continues to climb unless the application
> is closed. There is also a button that removes all the images (ie start
> clean) and the memory does not decrease or change.
>
> So we will wait to hear from the support team.
>
> I have tarred the folder and if anyone wants to try it (24.6 MB) then let
> me know since I need to use an email address when sharing from google docs.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> This sounds similar.
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7257
>>
>> Not saying it is the same bug.  Just your description triggered a
>> familiar odour.
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My latest update / feedback on the issue...
>> >
>> > I tried monitoring the memory on the Centos 6.2 system with top -p
>> $(pgrep
>> > Xorg) and watching the %MEM. It was really interesting and
>> informative...
>> > when I launched the application I was down at 1.5% MEM and as I did
>> > database queries and plots I saw it increase between 0.3 and 0.5 % each
>> > time (This had several queries with large numbers of data).
>> >
>> > To address Tim's concern I stopped doing any graphing and solely did a
>> > series of import snapshots.
>> >
>>
>> snip
>>
>> > So essentially, going through this cycle several times showed the
>> memory to
>> > start increasing approximately .7% each cycle. (this is where there are
>> 20
>> > cards so 20 images)
>> >
>> > I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
>> > increase 1.2% each cycle!
>> >
>> > Never has the memory decreased.
>> >
>> > I removed ALL images and cards except for the intro card and the memory
>> > never decreased?!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 11:59:50 2012
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:59:50 +0100
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTk5-qFpLw4O_XcD08qQjmUzzzKXj1aizTiwr2-qfKBemQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXNkV0CfPwFTfFYdHJTpooq5bzad2a9CdU5ikbJeBiv7ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTk5-qFpLw4O_XcD08qQjmUzzzKXj1aizTiwr2-qfKBemQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GZ9opDQ-Fwqtdof=7mopEhoLsgP03pgNoNjc+jSdUY2w@mail.gmail.com>

I saw this man on TV discussing the Brazilian olympic project a couple
of weeks ago.  He looked very pleased with himself.  Of course, the
programme that was talking up Rio de Janeiro didn't mention that the
mayor not only lived in another city, but in another country! That
really would have undercut the entire programme.

Or perhaps Niteroi has its own mayor, and the chap I saw lives in Rio.

I saw a survey a while back of travel agents, who were asked to rate
their favourite holiday destinations.  They chose Rio.  I hope it is
suitable compensation for the corruption.

And I have a photo of some Niemeyer architecture on my fridge.  I'm
the kind of nerd who chooses my holiday destinations based on the
architecture rather than the beach sports.

Bernard

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> Our engineers, architects and designers are really good. All we're missing
> now is a honest government. My mayor lives in Miami (true)...



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Apr 13 12:08:38 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:08:38 -0700
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbBQVf0ekZPUuGrBV+y4OYuQcQwEx4zH+sfneN+-GKZjew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbBQVf0ekZPUuGrBV+y4OYuQcQwEx4zH+sfneN+-GKZjew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F884F86.9070408@fourthworld.com>

Glen Bojsza wrote:
...
> I increased the number of cards / images to 40 and the memory started to
> increase 1.2% each cycle!
>
> Never has the memory decreased.
>
> I removed ALL images and cards except for the intro card and the memory
> never decreased?!
...

Good info, Glen.  Please consider adding your notes to this report 
opened three days ago:
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10141>

I've corresponded with Ben Beaumont on that issue, and the team is 
looking into it.  Your info will be very helpful for their efforts.

Thanks -

--
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  Fourth World
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From warren at warrensweb.us  Fri Apr 13 12:36:58 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:36:58 -0500
Subject: Linux application crashes
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbDQ6k7GVPhNKt37x=+cTVdO-NakFCtjYg5CwQXrHee+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B1163AD-0E2F-440D-B2F1-10391436C7F5@me.com>
	<CACW8NbBQVf0ekZPUuGrBV+y4OYuQcQwEx4zH+sfneN+-GKZjew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-ECqzhc2Y6cXzdWz0ikNerJa25sK_oSL_64fFz8zkJnqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACW8NbAH-BbR4QUwzXnK5BhLwgYHj1Ey+Pqbk6qqbbXAvJcTrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACW8NbDQ6k7GVPhNKt37x=+cTVdO-NakFCtjYg5CwQXrHee+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F88562A.30404@warrensweb.us>

On 04/13/2012 10:22 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> The tarball can be gotten here...
>
> http://www.box.com/s/07d396287def00f59b8e
>
> If you launch the application then all you need to do is click any of the
> images in the scrolling field and watch the memory.


This problem is very evident here, certainly a much more obvious and 
rapid drain than the memory leak discussed earlier in the week.

Besides the accumulating memory usage, I also get a severe example of 
windows being rendered with artifacts and noise from elements from 
previous windows and elements in other, current, windows. I get this in 
(most) other applications, primarily when an app opens its initial 
window and sometimes in menu dropdowns and such. It almost always only 
occurs once per window and it's never as problematic as I find it in 
this particular app (Stress PDF Reporter). Here it occurs with each 
graph selected and the display is virtually unreadable. Toggling window 
effects has no effect (not a pun) at all.

Warren



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Apr 13 12:53:16 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:53:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Linux application crashes
References: <CACW8NbCUp7vs4zmH2kVEFDZCWYpvW-=OUSxHPtNP2NTApMQ=oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B1163AD-0E2F-440D-B2F1-10391436C7F5@me.com>
	<CACW8NbBQVf0ekZPUuGrBV+y4OYuQcQwEx4zH+sfneN+-GKZjew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-ECqzhc2Y6cXzdWz0ikNerJa25sK_oSL_64fFz8zkJnqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACW8NbAH-BbR4QUwzXnK5BhLwgYHj1Ey+Pqbk6qqbbXAvJcTrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACW8NbDQ6k7GVPhNKt37x=+cTVdO-NakFCtjYg5CwQXrHee+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20120413T184839-380@post.gmane.org>

Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at ...> writes:

> If you launch the application then all you need to do is click any of the
> images in the scrolling field and watch the memory.

Confirmed here on 32-bit Fedora Core 16 xcfe spin. I get a very noticeable
memory leak for each image generated and a significant use of cpu time as well.
I had to shut down other running apps because the cpu utilization caused Firefox
to issue continual "script stopped running" messages and my VirtualBox vm kept
trying to swap memory space as things started getting cramped.

I don't see the visual splattering Warren described but otherwise it's seriously
tanking.

-- 
 Mark Wieder








From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 13 13:02:01 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:02:01 -0500
Subject: scroll field to a searched-for word
In-Reply-To: <8CEE7972BA1C050-2420-11A7@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGeTkxm2AG+7P6tuv5_X4csyv6wdW_qzpE+zLk2wx4ubZaQryQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CEE79547515B9D-2420-F8D@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CEE7972BA1C050-2420-11A7@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F885C09.4010502@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/13/12 9:16 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

> on mouseUp
>     put word 2 of the clickCharChunk into myPos
>     put the formattedText of fld 2 into myText
>     put number of lines of (char 1 to myPos of myText) into myLineNr
>     answer myLineNr
> end mouseUp
>
>
> This smacks of Jacque,

I can't take credit. I always include "the" with built-in functions, and 
I try to avoid "my" in variable names because it makes me cringe.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 13 14:11:41 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:11:41 -0700
Subject: [REM] SQLiteAdmin Offer Expires Today
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,
A reminder that the offer of a copy of SQLiteAdmin for $4.99 expires at
midnight tonight, Friday 13th (!), California time.

SQLiteAdmin completely removes all the restrictions inherent in the
standard SQLite Data Definition Language, allowing you to add, change, or
delete any property of any existing schema object while maintaining the
integrity of your data.  Its data browsing functions allow you to display
your data with complete control over which rows and columns to select,
insert new rows (including duplicating existing rows), and update or delete
of single or multiple existing rows.  For convenience, your row and column
filters can be saved and recalled for later use.

I have started on a series of short instructional videos on how to use
SQLiteAdmin.  You can find them on my Youtube
channel<http://www.youtube.com/user/lcSQL?ob=0&feature=results_main>.
So far, I've covered the creation of tables, indexes, and triggers and will
shortly be adding videos on the creation of views, SQLiteAdmin's data
maintenance functions, and various other SQLiteAdmin activities. You can
stay informed of new videos by subscribing to the channel.

-- 
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 13 16:05:10 2012
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:05:10 -0700
Subject: Separate on-Rev list ??
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP43684449A7FAF2D5207B3E0D13B0@phx.gbl>

forums.on-rev.com seems to have very little activity on it and old messages.  Is there a separate on-Rev list or do users post questions here ?

Thanks, Bob...

Bob Earp
White Rock, British Columbia.





From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Apr 13 16:05:56 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:05:56 -0300
Subject: [OT] Android for the HP Touchpad (ICS 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPFkQ8oTdpkNZW8UEXvknm6vn0NQ51syNLV30rmJou=vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPFkQ8oTdpkNZW8UEXvknm6vn0NQ51syNLV30rmJou=vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTmUX6ZPseLphjsEc04y93Oig4C=pdgMfOGOD4FSr5++FA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:

> I just happen to discover this when browsing YouTube, and I thought of
> Andre.  If you ever decide to part ways with WebOS (not likely), your
> hardware is at least capable of running the latest incarnation of Android,
> and very well it appears.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2l55-LOTo
>
>
I will never do it!!!! :-)

webOS is the best system and soon open webOS will be here and I will be
happier!

(I got an android tablet too... looks good but usability is poor)

thanks for the tip about android, maybe one day I will be a convert...



> ~Roger
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Apr 13 16:10:47 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:10:47 -0300
Subject: equivalent of iphoneApplicationIdentifier() for Android
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkhpA7xF=L7QvrWKS5QAA72frXxiWeGDzCoooBtkZPh_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Folks,

Anyone knows if there is a way to get the bundle identifies for Android?
something like iphoneApplicationIdentifier() but for android...

Cheers
andre

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http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Apr 13 18:30:50 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:30:50 -0700
Subject: [REM] SQLiteAdmin Offer Expires Today
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJE1V2YPyWkB_yRRv-aWkCJ2qYqSAScdLHgD7y3MdqFQw@mail.gmail.com>

ok, where do I sign up/ pay/ get?

On 13 April 2012 11:11, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Folks,
> A reminder that the offer of a copy of SQLiteAdmin for $4.99 expires at
> midnight tonight, Friday 13th (!), California time.
>
> SQLiteAdmin completely removes all the restrictions inherent in the
> standard SQLite Data Definition Language, allowing you to add, change, or
> delete any property of any existing schema object while maintaining the
> integrity of your data.  Its data browsing functions allow you to display
> your data with complete control over which rows and columns to select,
> insert new rows (including duplicating existing rows), and update or delete
> of single or multiple existing rows.  For convenience, your row and column
> filters can be saved and recalled for later use.
>
> I have started on a series of short instructional videos on how to use
> SQLiteAdmin.  You can find them on my Youtube
> channel<http://www.youtube.com/user/lcSQL?ob=0&feature=results_main>.
> So far, I've covered the creation of tables, indexes, and triggers and will
> shortly be adding videos on the creation of views, SQLiteAdmin's data
> maintenance functions, and various other SQLiteAdmin activities. You can
> stay informed of new videos by subscribing to the channel.
>
> --
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 13 20:46:52 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:46:52 -0500
Subject: equivalent of iphoneApplicationIdentifier() for Android
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkhpA7xF=L7QvrWKS5QAA72frXxiWeGDzCoooBtkZPh_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTkhpA7xF=L7QvrWKS5QAA72frXxiWeGDzCoooBtkZPh_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F88C8FC.4040201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/13/12 3:10 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> Anyone knows if there is a way to get the bundle identifies for Android?
> something like iphoneApplicationIdentifier() but for android...

There's this:

get specialFolderPath("engine")
    -->  /data/app/com.yourcompany.yourapp.apk

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Apr 13 21:33:43 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:33:43 -0700
Subject: [REM] SQLiteAdmin Offer Expires Today
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJE1V2YPyWkB_yRRv-aWkCJ2qYqSAScdLHgD7y3MdqFQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHJE1V2YPyWkB_yRRv-aWkCJ2qYqSAScdLHgD7y3MdqFQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1491343258812.20120413183343@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Friday, April 13, 2012, 3:30:50 PM, you wrote:

> ok, where do I sign up/ pay/ get?

Send Pete an email
PayPal
www.lcsql.com/products.html

I did. Looks great. Nicely done. Lots of CRUD.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 13 21:44:17 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:44:17 -0700
Subject: [REM] SQLiteAdmin Offer Expires Today
In-Reply-To: <1491343258812.20120413183343@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHJE1V2YPyWkB_yRRv-aWkCJ2qYqSAScdLHgD7y3MdqFQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1491343258812.20120413183343@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMtLP3FNkObJTbWRzgxAPZGO=bO=cxqrOpAt-jp3khOnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,
I got Stephen set up.

By the way... what's CRUD?  Back where I come from, that's a derogatory
term!!!

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
>
> Friday, April 13, 2012, 3:30:50 PM, you wrote:
>
> > ok, where do I sign up/ pay/ get?
>
> Send Pete an email
> PayPal
> www.lcsql.com/products.html
>
> I did. Looks great. Nicely done. Lots of CRUD.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 13 21:57:53 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:57:53 -0700
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>

I am running into some pretty major issues using the datagrid's
dgNUmberOfRecords/GetDataForLine functionality.

First issue.

I load data into the datagrid by setting the dgNumberOfRecords -
GetDataForLine is called correctly, all looks fine.  Now I go through a
filtering process and set the dgNUmberOfRecords again, let's say it ends up
at 2.  GetDataForLine gets called twice and I see that I load the correct
data into pDataA.  The datagrid now correctly shows two lines but they have
the data from the first two lines of the original display, not the selected
lines.  Bad news.

Second Issue.

This one seems to happen when the total number of rows in the datagrid is
an exact multiple of the visible rows in the datagrid.  For example, let's
say there are 50 records presented to the datagrid and it has 10 visible
lines.  No problem with the initial display of the data.  Now I want to add
a row of data to the end of the datagrid.  I set the dgNumberOfRecords to
the new row count but the datagrid still shows the original last row at the
end of the datagrid and I cannot scroll down any further.  I try scroliing
up and down, no joy.  Bad News.


Trevor or zryip, or anyone else - any ideas?

-- 
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 22:19:38 2012
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:19:38 -0600
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F149F6D-1357-4BF7-A2B8-D9A4328F6EF1@gmail.com>

On the second issue, is it that the scrolling does not work at all?

I have encountered this problem several times where there are more rows than what is shown but the vertical scroll bar does not scroll past the lines shown... ie the size of the scroll bar indicates that more rows are present.

In the message box you could try 

set the dgtext of grp "nameofdatagrid" to the dgtext of grp "nameofdatagrid"

and see if this gets the scrolling working again.



On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I am running into some pretty major issues using the datagrid's
> 
> 
> Second Issue.
> 
> This one seems to happen when the total number of rows in the datagrid is
> an exact multiple of the visible rows in the datagrid.  For example, let's
> say there are 50 records presented to the datagrid and it has 10 visible
> lines.  No problem with the initial display of the data.  Now I want to add
> a row of data to the end of the datagrid.  I set the dgNumberOfRecords to
> the new row count but the datagrid still shows the original last row at the
> end of the datagrid and I cannot scroll down any further.  I try scroliing
> up and down, no joy.  Bad News.
> 
> 
> Trevor or zryip, or anyone else - any ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Apr 13 23:03:16 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:03:16 -0700
Subject: [REM] SQLiteAdmin Offer Expires Today
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMtLP3FNkObJTbWRzgxAPZGO=bO=cxqrOpAt-jp3khOnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHJE1V2YPyWkB_yRRv-aWkCJ2qYqSAScdLHgD7y3MdqFQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1491343258812.20120413183343@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMtLP3FNkObJTbWRzgxAPZGO=bO=cxqrOpAt-jp3khOnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161348632234.20120413200316@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Friday, April 13, 2012, 6:44:17 PM, you wrote:

> By the way... what's CRUD?  Back where I come from, that's a derogatory
> term!!!

LOL...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Create,_read,_update_and_delete

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 13 23:20:59 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:59 -0700
Subject: [REM] SQLiteAdmin Offer Expires Today
In-Reply-To: <161348632234.20120413200316@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eOws=D-fhV8LVKFxgdR+py2AXdGp+hnC1Xvmqdm-e196Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHJE1V2YPyWkB_yRRv-aWkCJ2qYqSAScdLHgD7y3MdqFQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1491343258812.20120413183343@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMtLP3FNkObJTbWRzgxAPZGO=bO=cxqrOpAt-jp3khOnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<161348632234.20120413200316@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNTVqjYQ5=TJ2Mn9UE3X_4UFhjFQRFpts9o5wPp9+ycLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, I'll never think of CRID the same way again!

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Friday, April 13, 2012, 6:44:17 PM, you wrote:
>
> > By the way... what's CRUD?  Back where I come from, that's a derogatory
> > term!!!
>
> LOL...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Create,_read,_update_and_delete
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 13 23:27:50 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:27:50 -0700
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
In-Reply-To: <7F149F6D-1357-4BF7-A2B8-D9A4328F6EF1@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F149F6D-1357-4BF7-A2B8-D9A4328F6EF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNd8EEHfv6-3OVo-n7tHLfL7SfWaWggQidVSryT8jR0vA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Glen,
Thanks for the suggestions.  In this case, the thumb is firmly anchord at
the bottom of the crollbar, seemingly indictaing that there are no more
rows.

Unfortunatly, references to the dgText have no effect in this environmentt.
 Using the dgNumberOfRecofrds and GetDataOfLine means that I'm taking over
responsibility for the content of the datagrid,  so many of the normal dg
functions and properties have no effect since the dg no longer maintains
it's own internal storage array.

I have found a workaround and that is to call RefreshList right after I've
relaoded the dg with new data.  I hate doing that though because it cause
the whole cycle of calls to GetDataOfLine to happen one more time when
nothing changed.



On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the second issue, is it that the scrolling does not work at all?
>
> I have encountered this problem several times where there are more rows
> than what is shown but the vertical scroll bar does not scroll past the
> lines shown... ie the size of the scroll bar indicates that more rows are
> present.
>
> In the message box you could try
>
> set the dgtext of grp "nameofdatagrid" to the dgtext of grp
> "nameofdatagrid"
>
> and see if this gets the scrolling working again.
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I am running into some pretty major issues using the datagrid's
> >
> >
> > Second Issue.
> >
> > This one seems to happen when the total number of rows in the datagrid is
> > an exact multiple of the visible rows in the datagrid.  For example,
> let's
> > say there are 50 records presented to the datagrid and it has 10 visible
> > lines.  No problem with the initial display of the data.  Now I want to
> add
> > a row of data to the end of the datagrid.  I set the dgNumberOfRecords to
> > the new row count but the datagrid still shows the original last row at
> the
> > end of the datagrid and I cannot scroll down any further.  I try
> scroliing
> > up and down, no joy.  Bad News.
> >
> >
> > Trevor or zryip, or anyone else - any ideas?
> >
> > --
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Apr 14 13:00:00 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:00:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] Android for the HP Touchpad (ICS 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTmUX6ZPseLphjsEc04y93Oig4C=pdgMfOGOD4FSr5++FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPFkQ8oTdpkNZW8UEXvknm6vn0NQ51syNLV30rmJou=vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTmUX6ZPseLphjsEc04y93Oig4C=pdgMfOGOD4FSr5++FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0F452DE-ACFC-415D-BBA1-6F12B32E5CCF@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:
> 
>> I just happen to discover this when browsing YouTube, and I thought of
>> Andre.  If you ever decide to part ways with WebOS (not likely), your
>> hardware is at least capable of running the latest incarnation of Android,
>> and very well it appears.
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2l55-LOTo
>> 
>> 
> I will never do it!!!! :-)
> 
> webOS is the best system and soon open webOS will be here and I will be
> happier!
> 
> (I got an android tablet too... looks good but usability is poor)
> 
> thanks for the tip about android, maybe one day I will be a convert?

Actually Andre, you don't need to actually convert - it runs as a dual-boot on the TouchPad, so you can pick either WebOS or Android and get the best of both worlds.

Just FYI,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Apr 14 13:09:49 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:09:49 -0500
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6051EA06-BEF2-456D-BC92-637246283883@sonsothunder.com>

> I load data into the datagrid by setting the dgNumberOfRecords -
> GetDataForLine is called correctly, all looks fine.  Now I go through a
> filtering process and set the dgNUmberOfRecords again, let's say it ends up
> at 2.  GetDataForLine gets called twice and I see that I load the correct
> data into pDataA.  The datagrid now correctly shows two lines but they have
> the data from the first two lines of the original display, not the selected
> lines.  Bad news.

Do you have "Persistent Data" checked on for the data grid? If so, try turning it off and see if that helps.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Apr 14 13:10:21 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:10:21 -0300
Subject: [OT] Android for the HP Touchpad (ICS 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <B0F452DE-ACFC-415D-BBA1-6F12B32E5CCF@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPFkQ8oTdpkNZW8UEXvknm6vn0NQ51syNLV30rmJou=vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTmUX6ZPseLphjsEc04y93Oig4C=pdgMfOGOD4FSr5++FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0F452DE-ACFC-415D-BBA1-6F12B32E5CCF@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTn4bDmMZg1398FtFtD-CGD=2SmaWh1H+eS+sbtvKGQPEg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Actually Andre, you don't need to actually convert - it runs as a
> dual-boot on the TouchPad, so you can pick either WebOS or Android and get
> the best of both worlds.
>
> Just FYI,
>
>
Ken,

IIRC to dual boot you need to doctor your touchpad, this means reflashing
it. You need to use metadoctor which is a homebrew app to create a
partition in the image file and send it to the touchpad again. It is not
hard, actually is pretty easy but I don't feel like reflashing. I have an
ASUS Android tablet as well. So it is the best of both worlds. The Android
and iOS machines here are just for development. My personal machines are
all webOS.

The opening up of webOS to open source licenses is a very good thing. For
example it gave us a really nice HTML toolkit to use in our sites. Checkout
http://www.enyojs.com =)





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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 15 02:04:18 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 23:04:18 -0700
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
In-Reply-To: <6051EA06-BEF2-456D-BC92-637246283883@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6051EA06-BEF2-456D-BC92-637246283883@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO4Ea5SZYpf8hfAajhO2ZwHrBMxHWiJz5Xr55o1uK_gBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ken,
Thanks of the suggestion but Persisent Data is already off. Have to admit,
I never really did understand the Persistent Data setting, especially in
standalones where there's no such thing.
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> > I load data into the datagrid by setting the dgNumberOfRecords -
> > GetDataForLine is called correctly, all looks fine.  Now I go through a
> > filtering process and set the dgNUmberOfRecords again, let's say it ends
> up
> > at 2.  GetDataForLine gets called twice and I see that I load the correct
> > data into pDataA.  The datagrid now correctly shows two lines but they
> have
> > the data from the first two lines of the original display, not the
> selected
> > lines.  Bad news.
>
> Do you have "Persistent Data" checked on for the data grid? If so, try
> turning it off and see if that helps.
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Apr 15 09:17:37 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:17:37 +0200
Subject: Problem with 'add'?
Message-ID: <7717166B-5D8D-48F0-BD33-06867894DDAC@mac.com>

Tracking down a bug, I put this into the message box

  put 3*4 into t1; add (2*10) to t1; put t1

I get 12, whereas I should have got 32. Same thing when I just add 20. What am I doing wrong?

Graham



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Apr 15 09:24:53 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:24:53 -0600
Subject: Problem with 'add'?
In-Reply-To: <7717166B-5D8D-48F0-BD33-06867894DDAC@mac.com>
References: <7717166B-5D8D-48F0-BD33-06867894DDAC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqUVgu45ayqcqg_DWyq8uLqeyA=c_SeVZe-dzmbpbRAHw@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. remove the parens and it works.  Do it like "add value(2*10)
to t1" works. Seems like its not evaulating between the parens so
effectively adds 0 to 12. Forcing the evaluation makes it work.

Seems wonky to me.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Tracking down a bug, I put this into the message box
>
>  put 3*4 into t1; add (2*10) to t1; put t1
>
> I get 12, whereas I should have got 32. Same thing when I just add 20.
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Graham
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Apr 15 09:43:04 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:43:04 +0200
Subject: Problem with 'add'?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqUVgu45ayqcqg_DWyq8uLqeyA=c_SeVZe-dzmbpbRAHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7717166B-5D8D-48F0-BD33-06867894DDAC@mac.com>
	<CAG1cpSqUVgu45ayqcqg_DWyq8uLqeyA=c_SeVZe-dzmbpbRAHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38CC17AB-2561-4BE6-8A6F-64748D65065E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

Am 15.04.2012 um 15:24 schrieb Mike Bonner:

> Interesting. remove the parens and it works.  Do it like "add value(2*10)
> to t1" works. Seems like its not evaulating between the parens so
> effectively adds 0 to 12. Forcing the evaluation makes it work.
> 
> Seems wonky to me.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Tracking down a bug, I put this into the message box
>> 
>> put 3*4 into t1; add (2*10) to t1; put t1

this works correctly when putting this into a buttons script!
There ARE some ugly issues with the message box for a long time, and this seems to be one of them...

Here is another one:
...
answer file "Yadda Yadda" with type "Images|jpg,png,pdf,bmp|";put it
.. 
you will get "images" (on a Mac, maybe windows, too)

BUT:
...
answer file "Yadda Yadda" with type "Images|jpg,png,pdf,bmp|";ANSWER it
...
will ANSWER the correct filepath!
???

I already bug reported this about 4 years ago:
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6434>

>> I get 12, whereas I should have got 32. Same thing when I just add 20.
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Graham

Best

Klaus

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klaus at major.on-rev.com




From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Apr 15 11:56:54 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:56:54 +0200
Subject: Message path, behaviors and groups
Message-ID: <9AB244BB-AB9B-43E8-A39E-8309C023E3CC@mac.com>

I greedily want to have two behaviors for a set of cards in something I'm developing. Basically I clone cards from templates, and there are several different templates. There is a set of common behaviors for all the cards, so there's a script for this that gets put in a button and then set as the behavior of each card as  it's created from the template; then I want each type of template to have an additional behavior unique to the specific type of card  being created. I achieve this by having a common group on each card, and setting the behavior of this group according to the type of template I'm using.

This kind of works, in that the handlers in the second set of behaviors are accessible from controls (such as fields) on the relevant card - but if I have buttons in the group where I put the behavior, they don't see the handlers in the behavior, even if I try to access them via 'send' as in

on mouseUp
  send "dosomething" to grp "theCommonGroup" of this cd
end mouseUp

Is there a way to solve this? If not, I can put the handlers I want in the main behavior, with a parameter which says who's calling them so that they can modify what they do according to the specific requirements of the caller, but that seems clunky.

TIA

Graham



From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Apr 15 12:29:09 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:29:09 +0200
Subject: Message path, behaviors and groups
Message-ID: <EDC19654-BF38-44D4-B22B-19C669B5D814@mac.com>

As you were, it seems to work now. Sorry, I guess I made some other mistake. Time to stop for the day, perhaps. In fact it seems a mistake to assume the handler is in the group because the behavior is there, but maybe even that works. Not worth investigating right now...

Apologies again.

I wrote:

> I greedily want to have two behaviors for a set of cards in something I'm developing. Basically I clone cards from templates, and there are several different templates. There is a set of common behaviors for all the cards, so there's a script for this that gets put in a button and then set as the behavior of each card as  it's created from the template; then I want each type of template to have an additional behavior unique to the specific type of card  being created. I achieve this by having a common group on each card, and setting the behavior of this group according to the type of template I'm using.
> 
> This kind of works, in that the handlers in the second set of behaviors are accessible from controls (such as fields) on the relevant card - but if I have buttons in the group where I put the behavior, they don't see the handlers in the behavior, even if I try to access them via 'send' as in
> 
> on mouseUp
>  send "dosomething" to grp "theCommonGroup" of this cd
> end mouseUp
> 
> Is there a way to solve this? If not, I can put the handlers I want in the main behavior, with a parameter which says who's calling them so that they can modify what they do according to the specific requirements of the caller, but that seems clunky.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Apr 15 19:51:13 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:51:13 +0000
Subject: loading some html into an iOS browser control
Message-ID: <A6CE9368-5125-484E-BF45-BBADC722BF3B@unimelb.edu.au>

I'm trying to display some internally generated html in an iOS browser control. According to the iOS docs I should be able to do this by using the 'load' action of the browser control...

mobileControlDo browserID, baseURL, HTMLtext

...however I can't get anything to display (the browser control remains empty).

I'm passing empty as the baseURL (I'm not sure what this is for anyway) and have tried passing simple and complex chunks of html without success. Has anyone got this to work (Livecode 5.5)? The browser object seems to function fine otherwise as I can load a url in it no problems.

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
Medical Eduction Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Apr 15 23:04:48 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:04:48 -0700
Subject: mail command in the shell -- need 'reply to' parameter
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJSZVXQRiB5SDHy9wNQusYkiKC-740XRqSf2Ac33zG8sw@mail.gmail.com>

I am using this subroutine using Livecode server to send mail from a mail
form.

command mail pTo, pSub, pMsg, pFrom
        put shellEscape(pTo) into pTo
        put shellEscape(pSub) into pSub
        put shellEscape(pMsg) into pMsg
        put shellEscape(pFrom) into pFrom
*        get shell("echo -e" && qtx(pMsg) && "| mail -s" & qtx(pSub) &&
qtx(pTo) && "-- -f" & qtx(pFrom))*
put it & return & the result into tCommandResult
end mail

-- wrap quotes around text
function qtx pText
        return quote & pText & quote
end qtx

This works great, however I'd like to add the 'reply-to' parameter to the
shell call. I've poured over the linux man page and I don't see the
parameter right away.  I'd like the eventual form email recipient to reply
to the email field on the form, but if I set the 'pFrom' parameter to that,
the web host may reject the transmission due to spam prevention.


sqb
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 02:04:27 2012
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:04:27 +1000
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>

Andre wrote:

> (prettiest
> bay ever).

It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg
 

Gerry

From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 16 02:07:04 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:07:04 -0600
Subject: loading some html into an iOS browser control
In-Reply-To: <A6CE9368-5125-484E-BF45-BBADC722BF3B@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <A6CE9368-5125-484E-BF45-BBADC722BF3B@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <A33768C7-0843-417D-8D6F-3B75FB66276F@swcp.com>


On Apr 15, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> I'm passing empty as the baseURL (I'm not sure what this is for anyway) and have tried passing simple and complex chunks of html without success. Has anyone got this to work (Livecode 5.5)? The browser object seems to function fine otherwise as I can load a url in it no problems.

The baseURL is for handling relative URL and image references in the HTMLtext.

Dar



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Apr 16 02:23:49 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:23:49 +0000
Subject: loading some html into an iOS browser control
In-Reply-To: <A33768C7-0843-417D-8D6F-3B75FB66276F@swcp.com>
References: <A6CE9368-5125-484E-BF45-BBADC722BF3B@unimelb.edu.au>
	<A33768C7-0843-417D-8D6F-3B75FB66276F@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <D354968E-7CAE-43B9-85B8-1F1690B247F5@unimelb.edu.au>


On 16/04/2012, at 04:07 PM, Dar Scott wrote:


On Apr 15, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

I'm passing empty as the baseURL (I'm not sure what this is for anyway) and have tried passing simple and complex chunks of html without success. Has anyone got this to work (Livecode 5.5)? The browser object seems to function fine otherwise as I can load a url in it no problems.

The baseURL is for handling relative URL and image references in the HTMLtext.

Dar

Now that you've explained it it makes perfect sense. That's one part of the puzzle solved - thanks!

Terry...


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From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Apr 16 02:28:11 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:28:11 +0000
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DBF7B81-5705-4369-AE9D-8799737F2DED@unimelb.edu.au>


On 16/04/2012, at 04:04 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote:

Andre wrote:

(prettiest
bay ever).

It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg

Are they Norfolk pines along the sea-front?

Terry...


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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 03:47:01 2012
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:47:01 +1000
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <0DBF7B81-5705-4369-AE9D-8799737F2DED@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<0DBF7B81-5705-4369-AE9D-8799737F2DED@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <A45DB3F3-2EF2-4AD7-BD1C-8676C1A124A3@gmail.com>

Yep, Norfolk Island pines.

I was in Melbourne this past weekend. Nice weather :)

Gerry



On 16/04/2012, at 4:28 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> Are they Norfolk pines along the sea-front?



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Apr 16 04:02:24 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:02:24 +0000
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <A45DB3F3-2EF2-4AD7-BD1C-8676C1A124A3@gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<0DBF7B81-5705-4369-AE9D-8799737F2DED@unimelb.edu.au>,
	<A45DB3F3-2EF2-4AD7-BD1C-8676C1A124A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <606CBC24-1FB8-426D-A750-327BB1ECEE35@unimelb.edu.au>

On 16/04/2012, at 5:49 PM, "Gerry Orkin" <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yep, Norfolk Island pines.
> 
> I was in Melbourne this past weekend. Nice weather :)
> 
> Gerry
> 
Yes - a perfect wrap up to the school holidays.

Terry...

> On 16/04/2012, at 4:28 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>> Are they Norfolk pines along the sea-front?
> 
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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 05:52:53 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:52:53 +0200
Subject: Falling at the last fence...
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W122D2D2D56C66542D427A4ED8D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY152-W4853E9EBCF3FA43087C37CED8C0@phx.gbl>
	<F5360068-DB85-4DEA-BDD7-B5D38B5C1A56@sonsothunder.com>
	<BAY152-W122D2D2D56C66542D427A4ED8D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO_HFQEMdT2x0xbmdtUF-hXEF_9EViYoBEMqtwgHF4wxbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I am trying to upload am iPad Application to the AppStore using  the
Application Loader but at the end of the process I get the message "An
error occurred uploading to the iTunes Store".
I had a look at the activity log of th Application Loader and I found
a note "Application failed codesign verification. The signature was
invalid, or it was not signed with an iPhone distribution Certificate"
I am running Lion 10.7.3  and LC 5.5.0 .
Am I supposed  "to clear 'everything' out of the keychain that was iOS
related, dumped 'everything' out from xCode and started the whole
business from scratch through the Apple Developer website.." to load
my app to the AppleStore ?
Thanks a lot
Paolo Mazza

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Andy, Ken, Mark ... (and Bernd for taking pity on me...)
>
> Thanks for the replies.. Andy, I am not running Lion, I am still on 10.6.8... Ken, I had a look at AppResigner and tried it, but the errors that it threw at me confused me even more...:-) I cannot now say what went wrong or what happened, all that I can tell you is that I spent more than 6 hours trying to sort it all out... the chaos descended into problems with the keychain and with xCode... it got to the point where the binary would not even load onto the iphone... the eventual solution was to clear 'everything' out of the keychain that was iOS related, dumped 'everything' out from xCode and started the whole business from scratch through the Apple Developer website...
>



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Apr 16 11:08:17 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:08:17 -0300
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andre wrote:
>
> > (prettiest
> > bay ever).
>
> It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg
>
>
Gerry,

Wow, very pretty! I would mistake it for the sea. It is a big bay right?
Mine is quite small, you can usually see the other side.

Cheers
andre




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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 13:15:27 2012
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:15:27 +0100
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-Fxfko+fxjGZ3kpyQ55y0kMWc3D+O9XEYM_qt0X7oZR7A@mail.gmail.com>

That makes me so, so envious.  At least I look out on a park (which is
good for living in a city centre).  But I so want to live by the sea
on the west coast of somewhere (preferably somewhere warmer than
Britain).

If it wasn't for my other half insisting on living in the city centre,
I'd sell up tomorrow.

Bernard

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Andre wrote:
>
>> (prettiest
>> bay ever).
>
> It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr 16 14:16:45 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:16:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: mail command in the shell -- need 'reply to' parameter
References: <CAFmQfHJSZVXQRiB5SDHy9wNQusYkiKC-740XRqSf2Ac33zG8sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20120416T201147-243@post.gmane.org>

stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at ...> writes:

Sendmail doesn't support the "Reply-to:" field by default. There are other
commandline tools that do, so if you have the option to install a different mail
tool you can use a commandline option for that. See

http://stackoverflow.com/a/4519341

for an example using heirloom-mailx.

But note that the Reply-to: field has some complications as well. For instance,
it will override a listserv address, so if you have a Reply-to field configured
in your email client and post a message to this email list, replying to your
post will go directly to the Reply-to address instead of to the list.

-- 
 Mark Wieder






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Apr 16 14:41:21 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:41:21 -0700
Subject: mail command in the shell -- need 'reply to' parameter
In-Reply-To: <loom.20120416T201147-243@post.gmane.org>
References: <CAFmQfHJSZVXQRiB5SDHy9wNQusYkiKC-740XRqSf2Ac33zG8sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20120416T201147-243@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+kXgPTij=YWzpx7wNo3Obihiv++CZK3H3gtG-PjirLxw@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Mark.

sqb

On 16 April 2012 11:16, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at ...> writes:
>
> Sendmail doesn't support the "Reply-to:" field by default. There are other
> commandline tools that do, so if you have the option to install a
> different mail
> tool you can use a commandline option for that. See
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/4519341
>
> for an example using heirloom-mailx.
>
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From runrevron at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 15:22:55 2012
From: runrevron at gmail.com (ron barber)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:22:55 -0400
Subject: create folder and network problem?
Message-ID: <CAJ1aGcnbgVeYs8SrMKcNre85ZgPDU_niqUR1d-JnJP0eiFrDFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am using the following line in my code:

if there is no folder tappsupport then create folder tappsupport

to create a folder and files in the application support folder on a
Mac. This has worked for all the users except now one is reporting an
"execution error" dialog at this point in the startup process. The
only unique factor about their setup that I can uncover so far is that
they are on a network in an office (pc and mac)

Are there issues with create folder being able to write to the local
disk of a networked computer?

Thanks
Ron



From runrevron at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 15:37:21 2012
From: runrevron at gmail.com (ron barber)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:37:21 -0400
Subject: revcopyfolder & "create folder and network problem?"
Message-ID: <CAJ1aGcmWULvktM6m9PEFVBr3fpq0BC1vzry=v8XctPeXAmJXXg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I copied the wrong line of code that seems to be causing the problem.

After the call to create folder I then use

revcopyfolder storepath,tappsupport

and it is this that is putting the result as "execution error"

Sorry for the confusion. But the question is does revcopyfolder (and
the underlying applescript) have problems with installing on a
network?

Thanks again,
Ron



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 16 15:45:24 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:45:24 -0600
Subject: loading some html into an iOS browser control
In-Reply-To: <D354968E-7CAE-43B9-85B8-1F1690B247F5@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <A6CE9368-5125-484E-BF45-BBADC722BF3B@unimelb.edu.au>
	<A33768C7-0843-417D-8D6F-3B75FB66276F@swcp.com>
	<D354968E-7CAE-43B9-85B8-1F1690B247F5@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <FFE4259F-FF8A-47E0-9D2D-E30F1309304A@swcp.com>

Terry, I considered using this control to solve a problem for a customer but have yet to work with this.  You have to consider that caveat with my comments.

I think the HTMLtext has to be a full page with <html> tag and everything.  

I have also heard that Apple is going with stricter standards compliance with iOS 5.0 or 5.1 (perhaps for security reasons) and what might work in some browsers might not work as HTMLtext.  

I would think this should work with an empty baseURL, but you might want to try putting something in there.

If you have defined browserLoadRequest, you might need to pass that even for "load" (based on a comment I have seen online concerning the underlying method "loadHtmlString").  I'm not sure what the URL or type passed to browserLoadRequest would be for "load".  

You might get some debug info by defining handlers for the messages sent by the control and seeing which if any are called for "load".  Log all parameters.  At minimum define browserLoadFailed.  (I don't really know if "load" will cause these to be sent, but I think so.)

You might be able to learn more from UIWebView documentation and even some examples.  Even if you are not familiar with Objective C, you might get a clue such as a test script that works.  

Like I said, this is just what I learned in preparation for using this, and then I did not.  

Dar


On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

> 
> On 16/04/2012, at 04:07 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
> I'm passing empty as the baseURL (I'm not sure what this is for anyway) and have tried passing simple and complex chunks of html without success. Has anyone got this to work (Livecode 5.5)? The browser object seems to function fine otherwise as I can load a url in it no problems.
> 
> The baseURL is for handling relative URL and image references in the HTMLtext.
> 
> Dar
> 
> Now that you've explained it it makes perfect sense. That's one part of the puzzle solved - thanks!
> 
> Terry...
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 16 16:12:42 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:12:42 -0700
Subject: revcopyfolder & "create folder and network problem?"
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1aGcmWULvktM6m9PEFVBr3fpq0BC1vzry=v8XctPeXAmJXXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1aGcmWULvktM6m9PEFVBr3fpq0BC1vzry=v8XctPeXAmJXXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7545F44-F53F-4E58-A991-1E04BDF34101@twft.com>

Need more info. OS version, local permissions for wherever you are creating the folder, user rights, etc. Obviously if it works in most situations, but not this one, the key is finding out what is different. 

Bob


On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, ron barber wrote:

> Sorry, I copied the wrong line of code that seems to be causing the problem.
> 
> After the call to create folder I then use
> 
> revcopyfolder storepath,tappsupport
> 
> and it is this that is putting the result as "execution error"
> 
> Sorry for the confusion. But the question is does revcopyfolder (and
> the underlying applescript) have problems with installing on a
> network?
> 
> Thanks again,
> Ron
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 16 17:37:45 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:37:45 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
Message-ID: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>

Everyone by now has heard about the App Store. Apple even has gone so far as to deploy Lion this way, and appears poised to provide ALL Apple produced software this way... AND NO OTHER. So what's the big deal right? Seems pretty convenient! 

Well the Devil is in the details. First, each App Store account can only purchase Lion once. You cannot then take that App Store account to another computer and use it to purchase another copy of Lion! For most people, this is a non-issue, but for a corporation with LOTS of Macs deployed, this is a cold slap in the face! Now we have to make up an account for each computer, and then keep track of which account is used by which computer so we can use it for purchases just for that Mac in the future! That is just UGLY! 

Now they DO have a volume licensing deal, where you can buy 20 licenses minimum, and then make a DVD installer to deploy it, or create a custom image and go that route (not good for upgrades though). So you faithfully buy the 20 licenses. Oh but whoops! You forgot about the 5 other guys at another campus! No problem, you will just buy 5 more, right? After all, you already purchased the 20 minimum. NO SIR!!! You must buy ANOTHER 20! 

You would think that Apple would just say, "Oh sorry our bad! Here you can now create a corporate app store account and use it as many times as you need to! Thanks a bunch for the business!" But instead they are pushing out inadequate hacks, and then telling their business customers that this is t he way it is, and deal with it. To their credit, the price of Lion is dramatically cheaper, so maybe that is much ado about nothing. Still, Apple users have never been about the price of the product, but the ease and convenience. 

The Apple of the past has always had a great reputation for thinking things through pretty thoroughly. Not anymore though. We used to keep our corporate credit card on file at the Apple store, so whenever we wanted to buy something, they would just run it. Apple Corporate has put the kibosh on that, forcing businesses to apply for terms, and they want to see you financials first. Our accounting department says no way, so no net 30 account for us! The upshot is we will have to go elsewhere from now on to purchase our Apple products, and what is the position of Apple Corporate, the regional manager, the store manager and the business manager at the local store? "Oh, well." 

We used to be one of their top customers ever. Now we are no customer, and no one at Apple is even flinching. When I see this sort of thing happening to a company, I envision a large lake frozen over, but large cracks forming under the surface. And this from a lifelong Apple diehard! It is my impression that there are people at Apple who have wanted to implement their lame ways of doing things for a long time, and now that Steve is gone, they see the opportunity to prove what smart guys they are! Instead they are making a bunch of really bad choices. In a few years time there may not be a big distinction operationally between Apple and an unwieldy behemoth corporation like AT&T. 

Bob


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Apr 16 19:01:04 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:01:04 +1000
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8A6EC32-BE19-45B7-90B7-EFE17C0C4D9B@sweattechnologies.com>

>> It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):
>> 
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg
>> 

Unfortunately, I have neither a bay nor a city view. I'm stuck waking up to this :-)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969754/photo.JPG

I took that happy snap at 7AM this morning.

Cheers

Monte


From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Apr 16 18:48:33 2012
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:48:33 +0200
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <p06240820cbb251ddaa4c@[192.168.1.94]>

On 16.04.2012 at 14:37 Uhr -0700 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
>Everyone by now has heard about the App Store. Apple even has gone 
>so far as to deploy Lion this way, and appears poised to provide ALL 
>Apple produced software this way... AND NO OTHER. So what's the big 
>deal right? Seems pretty convenient!

You may prefer to post your piece to Tidbits-Talk list...

Robert



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 16 19:12:17 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:12:17 -0700
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <E8A6EC32-BE19-45B7-90B7-EFE17C0C4D9B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8A6EC32-BE19-45B7-90B7-EFE17C0C4D9B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <3D6A35D8-2890-4A82-ADA8-D4CC125DB7A4@twft.com>

I wouldn't call that "unfortunate"! Looks nice!

Bob


On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

>>> It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):
>>> 
>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg
>>> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I have neither a bay nor a city view. I'm stuck waking up to this :-)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969754/photo.JPG
> 
> I took that happy snap at 7AM this morning.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
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From kee at kagi.com  Mon Apr 16 19:14:27 2012
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:14:27 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <78B2F803-1103-4C06-9310-25AAAB7D3561@kagi.com>

I would guess that your complaint is one they are hearing right now from other similar customers. Until the software is actually for sale, it probably does not make much sense to get worked up about their distribution system for large organizations. 

Their last OS update price was around $30. How much is a typical Windows update price and how does Microsoft handle multiple machines in an office?

Kee


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Apr 16 19:21:10 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:21:10 -0700
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <3D6A35D8-2890-4A82-ADA8-D4CC125DB7A4@twft.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8A6EC32-BE19-45B7-90B7-EFE17C0C4D9B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<3D6A35D8-2890-4A82-ADA8-D4CC125DB7A4@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJUW8CB2fPsenZY6rSaRsviiXrM0H+WwNAcCm8uEKceuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey this is a fun game -

here's a page I put together to advertise for new housemates that displays
my house views.
Golden Gate park in front, and the bridge and Marin Headlands in the back
to the north.
And 10 blocks to the Pacific Ocean.

http://fulton.barncard.com/

On 16 April 2012 16:12, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't call that "unfortunate"! Looks nice!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>
> >>> It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):
> >>>
> >>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg
> >>>
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have neither a bay nor a city view. I'm stuck waking up
> to this :-)
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969754/photo.JPG
> >
> > I took that happy snap at 7AM this morning.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
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From warren at warrensweb.us  Mon Apr 16 19:24:57 2012
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:24:57 -0500
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <78B2F803-1103-4C06-9310-25AAAB7D3561@kagi.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<78B2F803-1103-4C06-9310-25AAAB7D3561@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <4F8CAA49.2080609@warrensweb.us>

On 04/16/2012 06:14 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:
> Until the software is actually for sale, it probably does not make much sense to get worked up about their distribution system for large organizations.



If one wishes to prevent a plan from becoming a problem, it may be that 
"before it matters" is very much the right time to make a fuss. It's not 
that hard to see that this imposes all kinds of frustrating burden for 
someone trying to administer a lot of computers. That Bob is fuming at 
Apple makes me wonder if Satan is wearing a sweater today :D

Warren



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 16 19:37:40 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:37:40 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <4F8CAA49.2080609@warrensweb.us>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<78B2F803-1103-4C06-9310-25AAAB7D3561@kagi.com>
	<4F8CAA49.2080609@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <1ADA65B0-3E95-417B-A6B8-EAADEB88E345@twft.com>

The way things seem to be going, if Satan was wearing a sweater with an Apple logo and sitting in their board room in Cupertino, I could hardly be surprised. ;-)

Bob


On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

> On 04/16/2012 06:14 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:
>> Until the software is actually for sale, it probably does not make much sense to get worked up about their distribution system for large organizations.
> 
> 
> 
> If one wishes to prevent a plan from becoming a problem, it may be that "before it matters" is very much the right time to make a fuss. It's not that hard to see that this imposes all kinds of frustrating burden for someone trying to administer a lot of computers. That Bob is fuming at Apple makes me wonder if Satan is wearing a sweater today :D
> 
> Warren
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 19:53:24 2012
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:53:24 +1000
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08BA9573-4A5A-48D6-A3CA-6A8D6A7FB391@gmail.com>


Yeah it's the sea. But it's also a wide bay that doesn't have much curvature :)

Gerry




On 17/04/2012, at 1:08 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Wow, very pretty! I would mistake it for the sea. It is a big bay right?
> Mine is quite small, you can usually see the other side.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Apr 16 20:27:57 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:27:57 -0300
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
In-Reply-To: <E8A6EC32-BE19-45B7-90B7-EFE17C0C4D9B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAF3jwTnzP_7yhoPDsuEk-cDtpQYAnS=GXL4AmVKKU7bG-Jfyxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7BCC075-87DA-489D-A935-08B5435D1CF1@gmail.com>
	<CAF3jwTkmTnd9mCy3e66A3_yAgz1pAUqWN4T61omPTJ6k1c=Tpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8A6EC32-BE19-45B7-90B7-EFE17C0C4D9B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTnT-URcxQR4kdkmxN72kR4aPBZnPnWPSHUhA1Q+Z1di7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Monte,

That is beautiful! =)

I love green!

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
> wrote:

> >> It is very pretty :) My bay looks like this (2mb file):
> >>
> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/67170/examples/skiesmatrix.jpg
> >>
>
> Unfortunately, I have neither a bay nor a city view. I'm stuck waking up
> to this :-)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969754/photo.JPG
>
> I took that happy snap at 7AM this morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Apr 16 20:30:48 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:30:48 +0000
Subject: loading some html into an iOS browser control
In-Reply-To: <FFE4259F-FF8A-47E0-9D2D-E30F1309304A@swcp.com>
References: <A6CE9368-5125-484E-BF45-BBADC722BF3B@unimelb.edu.au>
	<A33768C7-0843-417D-8D6F-3B75FB66276F@swcp.com>
	<D354968E-7CAE-43B9-85B8-1F1690B247F5@unimelb.edu.au>
	<FFE4259F-FF8A-47E0-9D2D-E30F1309304A@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <8B5C7349-0A34-402D-8B03-9D3DEEC63ADF@unimelb.edu.au>


On 17/04/2012, at 05:45 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

Terry, I considered using this control to solve a problem for a customer but have yet to work with this.  You have to consider that caveat with my comments.

I think the HTMLtext has to be a full page with <html> tag and everything.

That's what I was trying to load initially but when that didn't work I went with something simpler (didn't work either).

I have also heard that Apple is going with stricter standards compliance with iOS 5.0 or 5.1 (perhaps for security reasons) and what might work in some browsers might not work as HTMLtext.

I would think this should work with an empty baseURL, but you might want to try putting something in there.

If you have defined browserLoadRequest, you might need to pass that even for "load" (based on a comment I have seen online concerning the underlying method "loadHtmlString").  I'm not sure what the URL or type passed to browserLoadRequest would be for "load".

You might get some debug info by defining handlers for the messages sent by the control and seeing which if any are called for "load".  Log all parameters.  At minimum define browserLoadFailed.  (I don't really know if "load" will cause these to be sent, but I think so.)

I'll have a closer look at the messages - it seems to fail silently as no errors are thrown and the result stays empty.

You might be able to learn more from UIWebView documentation and even some examples.  Even if you are not familiar with Objective C, you might get a clue such as a test script that works.

Not many clues there - it seems you just pass some html and a base url as you do in the Livecode implementation.

Like I said, this is just what I learned in preparation for using this, and then I did not.

Thanks for your thoughts anyway Dar - for the moment I've gone with writing the html out to a local file first and loading that, which works fine. Still it would be easier if I could load it directly and the docs say I should be able to. Will play with it a bit more and then lodge a bug report if I still can't get it to work.

Terry...


Dar


On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Terry Judd wrote:


On 16/04/2012, at 04:07 PM, Dar Scott wrote:


On Apr 15, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

I'm passing empty as the baseURL (I'm not sure what this is for anyway) and have tried passing simple and complex chunks of html without success. Has anyone got this to work (Livecode 5.5)? The browser object seems to function fine otherwise as I can load a url in it no problems.

The baseURL is for handling relative URL and image references in the HTMLtext.

Dar

Now that you've explained it it makes perfect sense. That's one part of the puzzle solved - thanks!

Terry...


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From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 21:39:58 2012
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:39:58 -0500
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <314F22D7-62B2-477E-B136-42B1CFF66108@gmail.com>

I use the same Apple ID on all my Lion Macs, and download software I've purchased to as many as I like.  Is there some plan to change this in Mountain Lion?

J.



On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Everyone by now has heard about the App Store. Apple even has gone so far as to deploy Lion this way, and appears poised to provide ALL Apple produced software this way... AND NO OTHER. So what's the big deal right? Seems pretty convenient! 
> 
> Well the Devil is in the details. First, each App Store account can only purchase Lion once. You cannot then take that App Store account to another computer and use it to purchase another copy of Lion! For most people, this is a non-issue, but for a corporation with LOTS of Macs deployed, this is a cold slap in the face! Now we have to make up an account for each computer, and then keep track of which account is used by which computer so we can use it for purchases just for that Mac in the future! That is just UGLY! 
> 
> Now they DO have a volume licensing deal, where you can buy 20 licenses minimum, and then make a DVD installer to deploy it, or create a custom image and go that route (not good for upgrades though). So you faithfully buy the 20 licenses. Oh but whoops! You forgot about the 5 other guys at another campus! No problem, you will just buy 5 more, right? After all, you already purchased the 20 minimum. NO SIR!!! You must buy ANOTHER 20! 
> 
> You would think that Apple would just say, "Oh sorry our bad! Here you can now create a corporate app store account and use it as many times as you need to! Thanks a bunch for the business!" But instead they are pushing out inadequate hacks, and then telling their business customers that this is t he way it is, and deal with it. To their credit, the price of Lion is dramatically cheaper, so maybe that is much ado about nothing. Still, Apple users have never been about the price of the product, but the ease and convenience. 
> 
> The Apple of the past has always had a great reputation for thinking things through pretty thoroughly. Not anymore though. We used to keep our corporate credit card on file at the Apple store, so whenever we wanted to buy something, they would just run it. Apple Corporate has put the kibosh on that, forcing businesses to apply for terms, and they want to see you financials first. Our accounting department says no way, so no net 30 account for us! The upshot is we will have to go elsewhere from now on to purchase our Apple products, and what is the position of Apple Corporate, the regional manager, the store manager and the business manager at the local store? "Oh, well." 
> 
> We used to be one of their top customers ever. Now we are no customer, and no one at Apple is even flinching. When I see this sort of thing happening to a company, I envision a large lake frozen over, but large cracks forming under the surface. And this from a lifelong Apple diehard! It is my impression that there are people at Apple who have wanted to implement their lame ways of doing things for a long time, and now that Steve is gone, they see the opportunity to prove what smart guys they are! Instead they are making a bunch of really bad choices. In a few years time there may not be a big distinction operationally between Apple and an unwieldy behemoth corporation like AT&T. 
> 
> Bob
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From tereza at califex.com  Mon Apr 16 23:48:53 2012
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:48:53 -0500
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
Message-ID: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>

I am at my wit?s end. Suddenly, my datagrid stopped working in my standalone. At first, I laughed, "Oh ho, I must have neglected to load the revdatagrid library! It?ll be fixed in a jiffy!" 

But no.

"The lockmessages must be true!"

no.

"The data array must be empty!"

no.

...

Many, many hours later, it still fails. I have attached my debugging log stack to the standalone and added output statements in every step. I have ascertained?for sure?that IN THE STANDALONE:

- the datagrid library is in memory,
- the datagrid library behavior button exists,
- my datagrid group?s behavior is properly set,
- the template stack is in memory,
- the data array to be sent to the datagrid is correct,
- the lockmessages is false,

but when the statement:

  set the dgData of grp "Modules" of me to gModinfoA

is encountered, the 'setprop dgData' in the revdatgrid library IS NOT EXECUTED, and my next statement:

  dispatch "SortDataByKey" to grp "Modules" of me with "title", "international","ascending", false

is UNHANDLED.

Does anyone have any insight at all? I?ve exhausted myself over this. It used to work! It works in the IDE! I have a deadline! 

I need a clue. *sob*

t




-- 
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Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 17 00:16:42 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:16:42 -0500
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4F8CEEAA.3030101@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/16/12 10:48 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> but when the statement:
>
> set the dgData of grp "Modules" of me to gModinfoA
>
> is encountered, the 'setprop dgData' in the revdatgrid library IS NOT
> EXECUTED, and my next statement:
>
> dispatch "SortDataByKey" to grp "Modules" of me with "title",
> "international","ascending", false
>
> is UNHANDLED.
>
> Does anyone have any insight at all? I?ve exhausted myself over this.
> It used to work! It works in the IDE! I have a deadline!
>
> I need a clue. *sob*



It made me panic just to read your message. Maybe something is aborting 
the script? I had that once where it never showed up in the IDE, only in 
the app.

If you haven't done it yet, one quick way to find out is to set the 
standalone settings in the Bug Reports pane to save errors to a file. If 
there's an execution error it will show up there.

Or you can add this to your stack script:

on errorDialog pErr
   answer pErr
end errorDialog

Instead of "answer" you can have it log to a text file on the desktop, 
or put the error into your logging stack.

That might give some info.

-- 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Apr 17 01:48:26 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:48:26 -0400
Subject: iOS apps not installing on device
Message-ID: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>

I am getting this error when syncing iTunes to my iPad.

 

 

The app "MyApp" was not installed in the iPad

"Evergreens iPad" because an unknown error occurred

(0xE8000007)

 

I just made some small changes in the code and this error started.

I synced the same app built yesterday from the same stack and it installed
perfect.

What is this error?

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks

 

 

Ralph DiMola

IT Director

Evergreen Information Services

rdimola at evergreeninfo.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 02:10:04 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:10:04 +0300
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F8D093C.6070709@gmail.com>

On 17/04/12 00:37, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Everyone by now has heard about the App Store. Apple even has gone so far as to deploy Lion this way, and appears poised to provide ALL Apple produced software this way... AND NO OTHER. So what's the big deal right? Seems pretty convenient!
>
> Well the Devil is in the details. First, each App Store account can only purchase Lion once. You cannot then take that App Store account to another computer and use it to purchase another copy of Lion! For most people, this is a non-issue, but for a corporation with LOTS of Macs deployed, this is a cold slap in the face! Now we have to make up an account for each computer, and then keep track of which account is used by which computer so we can use it for purchases just for that Mac in the future! That is just UGLY!
>
> Now they DO have a volume licensing deal, where you can buy 20 licenses minimum, and then make a DVD installer to deploy it, or create a custom image and go that route (not good for upgrades though). So you faithfully buy the 20 licenses. Oh but whoops! You forgot about the 5 other guys at another campus! No problem, you will just buy 5 more, right? After all, you already purchased the 20 minimum. NO SIR!!! You must buy ANOTHER 20!
>
> You would think that Apple would just say, "Oh sorry our bad! Here you can now create a corporate app store account and use it as many times as you need to! Thanks a bunch for the business!" But instead they are pushing out inadequate hacks, and then telling their business customers that this is t he way it is, and deal with it. To their credit, the price of Lion is dramatically cheaper, so maybe that is much ado about nothing. Still, Apple users have never been about the price of the product, but the ease and convenience.
>
> The Apple of the past has always had a great reputation for thinking things through pretty thoroughly. Not anymore though.

Whatever you may think about Steve Jobs; one should always remember that 
when the 'guru' dies,
the nature of the organisation changes; rarely for the better in my 
experience.

>   We used to keep our corporate credit card on file at the Apple store, so whenever we wanted to buy something, they would just run it. Apple Corporate has put the kibosh on that, forcing businesses to apply for terms, and they want to see you financials first. Our accounting department says no way, so no net 30 account for us! The upshot is we will have to go elsewhere from now on to purchase our Apple products, and what is the position of Apple Corporate, the regional manager, the store manager and the business manager at the local store? "Oh, well."
>
> We used to be one of their top customers ever. Now we are no customer, and no one at Apple is even flinching. When I see this sort of thing happening to a company, I envision a large lake frozen over, but large cracks forming under the surface. And this from a lifelong Apple diehard! It is my impression that there are people at Apple who have wanted to implement their lame ways of doing things for a long time, and now that Steve is gone, they see the opportunity to prove what smart guys they are! Instead they are making a bunch of really bad choices. In a few years time there may not be a big distinction operationally between Apple and an unwieldy behemoth corporation like AT&T.
>
> Bob
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Apr 17 02:18:13 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:18:13 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <4F8D093C.6070709@gmail.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<4F8D093C.6070709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+2cn46UpZrRG_SSAo4YurwXZoxAd8kLvMY_YqT77BxgA@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe Steve should have trained and left his wife in charge....

On 16 April 2012 23:10, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Whatever you may think about Steve Jobs; one should always remember that
> when the 'guru' dies,
> the nature of the organisation changes; rarely for the better in my
> experience.
>
>
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr 17 02:38:18 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:38:18 -0700
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
Message-ID: <1055948046.20120416233818@ahsoftware.net>

Tereza-

Monday, April 16, 2012, 8:48:53 PM, you wrote:

> Does anyone have any insight at all? I?ve exhausted myself over
> this. It used to work! It works in the IDE! I have a deadline! 

Two ideas:

1. the datagrid library is a system stack, and so if it throws errors
the IDE won't catch them (or more precisely it catches them and
decides not to handle them). One way around this is to set the system
global gRevDevelopment to true. That way any errors thrown in the
datagrid stack will hopefully come to light. I previously found that a
setup error was propagating down to the datagrid library, which caught
the problem and threw an error, but it bubbled up and was ignored by
the IDE.

2. You already have PowerDebug, and it can debug standalone apps. Add
the standalone debugger library as a substack to your standalone, and
add the handler

on startup
  start using stack "libRemoteDebug"
end startup

Then build the standalone, keep the IDE running, and launch the
standalone. Any runtime errors in the standalone will be caught by
PowerDebug running in the IDE. You can set breakpoints in your code
and then step through them in the standalone using PowerDebug.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Apr 17 02:43:53 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:43:53 -0700
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <1055948046.20120416233818@ahsoftware.net>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
	<1055948046.20120416233818@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <9156282984.20120416234353@ahsoftware.net>

> Tereza-

... getting late here... correcting myself...

on startup
    insert the script of stack "libRemoteDebug" into front
end startup

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Apr 17 07:32:31 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:32:31 +1000
Subject: [ANN] MapKit and action sheet externals added to mergExt
Message-ID: <5CBA19C9-FD4D-4B3B-9E75-2B8EEF750CCB@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi LiveCoders

The mergExt suite of externals has grown again! The mergExt poll results continue to identify MapKit as a very high prority for the LiveCode community and now mergMK delivers beautiful maps with very easy to use commands. Action sheets are such a critical user interaction method that you will wonder what you ever did without the handy mergPop.

mergPop is an iOS external that adds functions to present an action sheet (popover on iPad) and contextual menu for user interaction.

mergMK is a LiveCode MapKit external that adds a map control which supports showing user location with heading, adding annotation pins (including draggable pins) and drawing polyline overlays

mergAV also has a new function to extract a thumbnail image from a video.

The suite now includes 10 externals and is stunning value at $199 including a year of updates. 

By coming up with the name mergPop forum member arkstar won 3 months of free access to mergExt. Please contact me off list arkstar.

Don't forget to vote for what you want next!

Regards,

Monte Goulding
--
M E R Goulding
Software development services

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr 17 09:32:25 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:32:25 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F8D70E9.4030702@fourthworld.com>

I suspect Apple will undergo significant changes to some of these 
policies for their app stores.

In addition to the onerous situation you described, consider the many 
opportunities for small and medium organizations to put their iOS 
devices to use solving problems specific to their business, like 
inventory tools, point-of-sale apps, etc. - the type of stuff we 
LiveCoders have been making on the desktop for such orgs for decades, 
now potentially even more useful with mobile counterparts.

With Apple's current policies, it's so difficult to deploy custom apps 
specific to a business that it's prohibitive for many of them.

But with Android, you just turn off the developer lock and copy the APK 
file.

A majority of people in the US work in small businesses.

This is too big a market for Apple to continue to insist that those orgs 
use Android whenever they need cost-effective deployment of custom apps.

Given the size of this audience and the current competitive state of 
things, I'll go out on a limb to predict that Apple's iOS will become as 
easy to deploy custom apps to as Android by this time next year.

If not, they'll lose out on a million opportunities coming up in the 
months ahead as tools like LiveCode make it possible for even small 
businesses to afford this sort of custom development.



Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Everyone by now has heard about the App Store. Apple even has gone so far as to deploy Lion this way, and appears poised to provide ALL Apple produced software this way... AND NO OTHER. So what's the big deal right? Seems pretty convenient!
>
> Well the Devil is in the details. First, each App Store account can only purchase Lion once. You cannot then take that App Store account to another computer and use it to purchase another copy of Lion! For most people, this is a non-issue, but for a corporation with LOTS of Macs deployed, this is a cold slap in the face! Now we have to make up an account for each computer, and then keep track of which account is used by which computer so we can use it for purchases just for that Mac in the future! That is just UGLY!
>
> Now they DO have a volume licensing deal, where you can buy 20 licenses minimum, and then make a DVD installer to deploy it, or create a custom image and go that route (not good for upgrades though). So you faithfully buy the 20 licenses. Oh but whoops! You forgot about the 5 other guys at another campus! No problem, you will just buy 5 more, right? After all, you already purchased the 20 minimum. NO SIR!!! You must buy ANOTHER 20!
>
> You would think that Apple would just say, "Oh sorry our bad! Here you can now create a corporate app store account and use it as many times as you need to! Thanks a bunch for the business!" But instead they are pushing out inadequate hacks, and then telling their business customers that this is t he way it is, and deal with it. To their credit, the price of Lion is dramatically cheaper, so maybe that is much ado about nothing. Still, Apple users have never been about the price of the product, but the ease and convenience.
>
> The Apple of the past has always had a great reputation for thinking things through pretty thoroughly. Not anymore though. We used to keep our corporate credit card on file at the Apple store, so whenever we wanted to buy something, they would just run it. Apple Corporate has put the kibosh on that, forcing businesses to apply for terms, and they want to see you financials first. Our accounting department says no way, so no net 30 account for us! The upshot is we will have to go elsewhere from now on to purchase our Apple products, and what is the position of Apple Corporate, the regional manager, the store manager and the business manager at the local store? "Oh, well."
>
> We used to be one of their top customers ever. Now we are no customer, and no one at Apple is even flinching. When I see this sort of thing happening to a company, I envision a large lake frozen over, but large cracks forming under the surface. And this from a lifelong Apple diehard! It is my impression that there are people at Apple who have wanted to implement their lame ways of doing things for a long time, and now that Steve is gone, they see the opportunity to prove what smart guys they are! Instead they are making a bunch of really bad choices. In a few years time there may not be a big distinction operationally between Apple and an unwieldy behemoth corporation like AT&T.
>
> Bob

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From artdivito at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 17 10:05:32 2012
From: artdivito at sbcglobal.net (Art DiVito)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:05:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Nice views from the city
Message-ID: <1334671532.22615.YahooMailClassic@web184409.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

The truth is, ... Chicago is the most beautiful city in the world. Thanks to Louie Sullivan et al, a gorgeous blue fresh water lakes reflects one of the finest skylines on earth, with only parks are recreation in between. But, ... I can tell you this, ... there is not a LiveCode aficionado within half a country of the place. So, some of you could move here, enjoy the scenery, and instantly become heroes! ... Go Bulls!


From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 17 10:09:39 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:09:39 -0400
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <4F8D70E9.4030702@fourthworld.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<4F8D70E9.4030702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D32FBCEB-46B6-4C00-81E4-5500613DE905@verizon.net>

For the iOS situation to be limiting you would need to be talking about an app that was needed by over 100 people in the company. Even medium sized companies rarely have 100 people who have to run a particular in-house app. If you wanted many hundreds, you only need another one or two more developer licenses.

Using either BetaBuilder, or Jacque's thing, it's easier to install on iOS than Android. With iOS you have to touch the screen three times - once in the email you received, once in the web page you're taken to, and once more in the dialog that asks if you want to install the app. On Android you can touch the APK link in the email message, but then you have to wait for it to download, touch the icon that takes you to download, touch the install button, and touch the permissions button. That's assuming you've followed the instructions you were given on how to set the developer mode to be on.


On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> >With Apple's current policies, it's so difficult to deploy custom apps specific to a business that it's prohibitive for many of them.



From tereza at califex.com  Tue Apr 17 10:16:02 2012
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:02 -0500
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <9156282984.20120416234353@ahsoftware.net>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
	<1055948046.20120416233818@ahsoftware.net>
	<9156282984.20120416234353@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5A90198B-B185-4577-91FC-A47973ECB71F@califex.com>

Jacque wrote:
> If you haven't done it yet, one quick way to find out is to set the standalone settings in the Bug Reports pane to save errors to a file. If there's an execution error it will show up there.

I have try-catches everywhere; I have errors written to stdout; I have my own debugging frontscript that writes to a separate stack; I have output from before and after the failed call. I put log statements in the datagrid library but they don?t 'fire'. I put my initials at the top of the datagrid behavior script and then used:

   log line 1 to 10 of (the behavior of grp "Modules" of me)

to assure myself it was the correct script. And it was.

Mark Weider wrote:

>  One way around this is to set the system
> global gRevDevelopment to true. That way any errors thrown in the
> datagrid stack will hopefully come to light. 

No errors.


> Any runtime errors in the standalone will be caught by
> PowerDebug running in the IDE. You can set breakpoints in your code
> and then step through them in the standalone using PowerDebug.


It must be another clue that, even though PowerDebug is running in the IDE, and opens on breakpoints when I run my code in the IDE, it isn?t invoked in the .app, probably because there is no error thrown and breakpoints are ignored. A call to MySubnet() in PowerDebug yeilds "10.0.1.", so I know it?s there. Is there a  PowerDebug 'break' I can issue to invoke it in the standalone?



t


On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:43 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> Tereza-
> 
> ... getting late here... correcting myself...
> 
> on startup
>    insert the script of stack "libRemoteDebug" into front
> end startup
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 10:19:50 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:19:50 +0200
Subject: Falling at the last fence...
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO_HFQEMdT2x0xbmdtUF-hXEF_9EViYoBEMqtwgHF4wxbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY152-W4853E9EBCF3FA43087C37CED8C0@phx.gbl>
	<F5360068-DB85-4DEA-BDD7-B5D38B5C1A56@sonsothunder.com>
	<BAY152-W122D2D2D56C66542D427A4ED8D0@phx.gbl>
	<CA+NEnO_HFQEMdT2x0xbmdtUF-hXEF_9EViYoBEMqtwgHF4wxbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO_4NTF3GuZnF0txkZ6pRJ7-R452h0OJovBF143+jCZwyA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
at the end I was able to upload my application to the app store.
First I had to clear up the Key Chain, but still I was getting an
error from the Application Loader. I was receiving the following
message: "An error occurred uploading to the iTunes Store"

Thank's Google I came up to this page:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5783481/an-error-occurred-uploading-to-the-itunes-store/10021537#10021537

I installed the JavaOSX update  and this fixed the problem.

Alll the best

Paolo



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 10:57:22 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:57:22 +0200
Subject: select all rows in DG table via script?
Message-ID: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

the subject says it all, how can I select all rows in a TABLE DataGrid via script?
I want to implement a "Select all" menu item, but did not find a hint in the DG docs.

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Apr 17 11:14:18 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:14:18 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <314F22D7-62B2-477E-B136-42B1CFF66108@gmail.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<314F22D7-62B2-477E-B136-42B1CFF66108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93AD31F5-6A2C-441D-9271-99AAC8D5E3FE@twft.com>

I was misinformed. You can do more than one, but I don't think more than 5. We have 70 at least. 

Bob


On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:39 PM, J. Downs wrote:

> I use the same Apple ID on all my Lion Macs, and download software I've purchased to as many as I like.  Is there some plan to change this in Mountain Lion?
> 
> J.




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Apr 17 11:16:49 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:16:49 -0700
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
Message-ID: <8201540C-05BB-4BF0-BC44-D37606E44E83@twft.com>

Why group "Modules" of me? Why not just group "Modules"?

Bob


On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> I am at my wit?s end. Suddenly, my datagrid stopped working in my standalone. At first, I laughed, "Oh ho, I must have neglected to load the revdatagrid library! It?ll be fixed in a jiffy!" 
> 
> But no.
> 
> "The lockmessages must be true!"
> 
> no.
> 
> "The data array must be empty!"
> 
> no.
> 
> ...
> 
> Many, many hours later, it still fails. I have attached my debugging log stack to the standalone and added output statements in every step. I have ascertained?for sure?that IN THE STANDALONE:
> 
> - the datagrid library is in memory,
> - the datagrid library behavior button exists,
> - my datagrid group?s behavior is properly set,
> - the template stack is in memory,
> - the data array to be sent to the datagrid is correct,
> - the lockmessages is false,
> 
> but when the statement:
> 
>  set the dgData of grp "Modules" of me to gModinfoA
> 
> is encountered, the 'setprop dgData' in the revdatgrid library IS NOT EXECUTED, and my next statement:
> 
>  dispatch "SortDataByKey" to grp "Modules" of me with "title", "international","ascending", false
> 
> is UNHANDLED.
> 
> Does anyone have any insight at all? I?ve exhausted myself over this. It used to work! It works in the IDE! I have a deadline! 
> 
> I need a clue. *sob*
> 
> t
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 17 11:34:52 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:34:52 -0500
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <D32FBCEB-46B6-4C00-81E4-5500613DE905@verizon.net>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<4F8D70E9.4030702@fourthworld.com>
	<D32FBCEB-46B6-4C00-81E4-5500613DE905@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F8D8D9C.4040302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/17/12 9:09 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Using either BetaBuilder, or Jacque's thing, it's easier to install
> on iOS than Android. With iOS you have to touch the screen three
> times - once in the email you received, once in the web page you're
> taken to, and once more in the dialog that asks if you want to
> install the app. On Android you can touch the APK link in the email
> message, but then you have to wait for it to download, touch the icon
> that takes you to download, touch the install button, and touch the
> permissions button. That's assuming you've followed the instructions
> you were given on how to set the developer mode to be on.

Well, you have to wait for the iOS app to download too. And if you use 
Dropbox or a server, Android has about the same number of clicks to 
install, but that's really an insignificant benchmark. The real 
difficulty is in setting up to deploy in the first place. It took me 
days to get through Apple's convoluted provisioning process, which is 
difficult, unweildy, and costs money. It took me a couple of minutes to 
create an Android key and deploy.

Tech support on AirLaunch is heavier than any other tool I've released 
-- and almost none of the questions are about AirLaunch itself. Most are 
related to difficulties with Apple's provisioning process and the 
idiosyncracies of the developer portal. Apple doesn't make it easy.

The tradeoff, of course, is that it's easier to distribute malware on 
Android. I appreciate the effort Apple has gone to in order to reduce 
that, though it hasn't been entirely successful. But I think they could 
make the deployment process easier than it is.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From tereza at califex.com  Tue Apr 17 11:35:48 2012
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:35:48 -0500
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <8201540C-05BB-4BF0-BC44-D37606E44E83@twft.com>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
	<8201540C-05BB-4BF0-BC44-D37606E44E83@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1C9E91C6-DBD6-4705-A783-C0FF53FB3A0B@califex.com>

Because I never assume the default stack to be what I need it to be. I require that any scripts that address objects use "of me" or "of the target" or "of stack?" or "of card...". But I did try removing the "of me" just in case that was throwing execution off somehow. Made no difference. Still the same bug. I also tried:

  set the dgData of grp id 100567 to gModinfoA

to no avail.

t



On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Why group "Modules" of me? Why not just group "Modules"?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
>> I am at my wit?s end. Suddenly, my datagrid stopped working in my standalone. At first, I laughed, "Oh ho, I must have neglected to load the revdatagrid library! It?ll be fixed in a jiffy!" 
>> 
>> But no.
>> 
>> "The lockmessages must be true!"
>> 
>> no.
>> 
>> "The data array must be empty!"
>> 
>> no.
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> Many, many hours later, it still fails. I have attached my debugging log stack to the standalone and added output statements in every step. I have ascertained?for sure?that IN THE STANDALONE:
>> 
>> - the datagrid library is in memory,
>> - the datagrid library behavior button exists,
>> - my datagrid group?s behavior is properly set,
>> - the template stack is in memory,
>> - the data array to be sent to the datagrid is correct,
>> - the lockmessages is false,
>> 
>> but when the statement:
>> 
>> set the dgData of grp "Modules" of me to gModinfoA
>> 
>> is encountered, the 'setprop dgData' in the revdatgrid library IS NOT EXECUTED, and my next statement:
>> 
>> dispatch "SortDataByKey" to grp "Modules" of me with "title", "international","ascending", false
>> 
>> is UNHANDLED.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any insight at all? I?ve exhausted myself over this. It used to work! It works in the IDE! I have a deadline! 
>> 
>> I need a clue. *sob*
>> 
>> t
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tereza Snyder
>> Califex Software, Inc.
>> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 17 11:47:03 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:47:03 -0400
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <4F8D8D9C.4040302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<4F8D70E9.4030702@fourthworld.com>
	<D32FBCEB-46B6-4C00-81E4-5500613DE905@verizon.net>
	<4F8D8D9C.4040302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <90EDB949-323B-4BA1-92FD-BF87603406F1@verizon.net>

You have to wait for it to download before you can use it, but you don't have to wait for it to download if you're just installing it. With Android the download stage is ahead of the installing stage. The Android download, accept permissions, install stages, are the equivalent of the single touch you do with BetaBuilder. I'm not sure how it is with AirLaunch.

I just went through a support ticket case where the Android APK would refuse to be made, so there can be difficulties with Android too. In any case, it was mainly the distribution side of things that I was arguing about, I'm assuming you wouldn't distribute an app that you hadn't been able to test yourself.

AirLaunch does have the advantage of coping with .app files, with BetaBuilder I send the .app through iTunes in order to make an .ipa.


On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:34 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> >Well, you have to wait for the iOS app to download too.


From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Apr 17 12:40:25 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:40:25 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Re: select all rows in DG table via script?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMJ+Y_xPztc2Qb6JKKnQ=urCQZ1332Ng0yLdY+CvWewHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
	<CAGDT7eMJ+Y_xPztc2Qb6JKKnQ=urCQZ1332Ng0yLdY+CvWewHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePLqqHg02eefXMBPLJ8oy+ZWmWWKSs9DdSfFzTyfvkQeA@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Peter Haworth" <lcsqlpete at gmail.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: select all rows in DG table via script?
To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>

There has to be a better way but you could set the dghilitedlines to a
comma separated list of every line number from 1 to the dgnumberofrecords.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 13:00:40 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:00:40 +0200
Subject: select all rows in DG table via script?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePLqqHg02eefXMBPLJ8oy+ZWmWWKSs9DdSfFzTyfvkQeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
	<CAGDT7eMJ+Y_xPztc2Qb6JKKnQ=urCQZ1332Ng0yLdY+CvWewHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePLqqHg02eefXMBPLJ8oy+ZWmWWKSs9DdSfFzTyfvkQeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <661F8BC5-D189-42CB-856E-1E6277CB4FE8@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Peter,

Am 17.04.2012 um 18:40 schrieb Peter Haworth:

> There has to be a better way but you could set the dghilitedlines to a
> comma separated list of every line number from 1 to the dgnumberofrecords.

yeah, works great, thanks a lot! :-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 13:08:16 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:08:16 +0300
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
Message-ID: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>

Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
that they may have missed an important chance?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17740143



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Apr 17 13:12:25 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:12:25 -0700
Subject: select all rows in DG table via script?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePLqqHg02eefXMBPLJ8oy+ZWmWWKSs9DdSfFzTyfvkQeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
	<CAGDT7eMJ+Y_xPztc2Qb6JKKnQ=urCQZ1332Ng0yLdY+CvWewHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePLqqHg02eefXMBPLJ8oy+ZWmWWKSs9DdSfFzTyfvkQeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5736793C-E599-4302-8F54-0A61ADA7AF5C@twft.com>

It's about this time I begin to ask myself, "Am I going about this the right way?" For my part, just having a user click on a record and hilite it doesn't seem like it's enough. I have an edit mode and a browse mode, and in browse mode a user can still select a row in a datagrid, even though it doesn't mean anything in that mode. I could disable the datagrid in browse mode, but that seems visually wrong too. 

What I did to solve this is I made a group of checkboxes the exact number of rows of my datagrid, and then wrote scripts to check and uncheck them based on a hidden column in the datagrid data. The checkboxes are not a part of the datagrid, although interacting with them does set the value of the hidden checked column in the associated row of the datagrid data.  I hide this in browse mode and show it in edit mode. 

I can send you the scripts I use to control them if you like.

Bob


On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Peter Haworth" <lcsqlpete at gmail.com>
> Date: Apr 17, 2012 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: select all rows in DG table via script?
> To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> 
> There has to be a better way but you could set the dghilitedlines to a
> comma separated list of every line number from 1 to the dgnumberofrecords.
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From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Tue Apr 17 13:23:13 2012
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:23:13 +0200
Subject: iOS apps not installing on device
In-Reply-To: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>
References: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>
Message-ID: <ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>

Ralph,

What works for me when the problem occurs (:

- Go to the iPad preference pane 
- Select the General Tab
- Select Profile
- Remove the Provisioning profiles available there
- Connect your iPad to your mac via usb
- Launch XCode
- Go to the Organizer window
- From the iPad device main tab (followed by a green bullet), click on the arrow witch follows the "Provisioning" item to enroll your iPad again with the provisioning profile you dedicated to your iPad

Best,

Pierre

Le 17 avr. 2012 ? 07:48, Ralph DiMola a ?crit :

> I am getting this error when syncing iTunes to my iPad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The app "MyApp" was not installed in the iPad
> 
> "Evergreens iPad" because an unknown error occurred
> 
> (0xE8000007)
> 
> 
> 
> I just made some small changes in the code and this error started.
> 
> I synced the same app built yesterday from the same stack and it installed
> perfect.
> 
> What is this error?
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> 
> IT Director
> 
> Evergreen Information Services
> 
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 17 13:28:59 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:28:59 -0400
Subject: iOS apps not installing on device
In-Reply-To: <ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>
	<ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <EB78F8BF-FE8E-40C6-BBF8-498BF6407658@verizon.net>

Incidentally, if you can get through those steps, including seeing the iPad in the Organizer window, then there's no need to involve iTunes at all. Just drag the .app file on to your device in the Organizer window's device list, it will install without requiring a sync.



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 13:33:04 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:33:04 +0200
Subject: select all rows in DG table via script?
In-Reply-To: <5736793C-E599-4302-8F54-0A61ADA7AF5C@twft.com>
References: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
	<CAGDT7eMJ+Y_xPztc2Qb6JKKnQ=urCQZ1332Ng0yLdY+CvWewHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePLqqHg02eefXMBPLJ8oy+ZWmWWKSs9DdSfFzTyfvkQeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5736793C-E599-4302-8F54-0A61ADA7AF5C@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CAA50755-46F4-441F-84B5-149A726491FF@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Bob,

Am 17.04.2012 um 19:12 schrieb Bob Sneidar:

> It's about this time I begin to ask myself, "Am I going about this the right way?" For my part, just having a user click on a record and hilite it doesn't seem like it's enough. I have an edit mode and a browse mode, and in browse mode a user can still select a row in a datagrid, even though it doesn't mean anything in that mode. I could disable the datagrid in browse mode, but that seems visually wrong too. 
> 
> What I did to solve this is I made a group of checkboxes the exact number of rows of my datagrid, and then wrote scripts to check and uncheck them based on a hidden column in the datagrid data. The checkboxes are not a part of the datagrid, although interacting with them does set the value of the hidden checked column in the associated row of the datagrid data.  I hide this in browse mode and show it in edit mode. 
> 
> I can send you the scripts I use to control them if you like.

thanks, but Peters solutions works just great :-)

> Bob
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Peter Haworth" <lcsqlpete at gmail.com>
>> Date: Apr 17, 2012 9:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: select all rows in DG table via script?
>> To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> 
>> There has to be a better way but you could set the dghilitedlines to a
>> comma separated list of every line number from 1 to the dgnumberofrecords.

Best

Klaus

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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 13:41:08 2012
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:41:08 +0200
Subject: select all rows in DG table via script?
In-Reply-To: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
References: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDp=8_cn_nzoEK8kvkEnHsEdeD6PGJ3Xh+6p_dGV3C7nSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Klaus,

Another solution is to send a SelectAll command to the datagrid group:

dispatch "SelectAll" to grp "myDatagrid"


Have also a look in your copy of DGH. The script installer has a
button named "Select All" with an example using this command.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> the subject says it all, how can I select all rows in a TABLE DataGrid via script?
> I want to implement a "Select all" menu item, but did not find a hint in the DG docs.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Apr 17 13:46:42 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:46:42 -0700
Subject: OK... what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
References: <7A7A8FF7-6605-4C7B-909F-EC8D8E6D2DD2@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4F8DAC82.2050400@pdslabs.net>

I had a similar problem a few weeks ago. The problem: my standalone app is a 
'splash' style app and didn't have a DG substack of its own. I added a DG to the 
standalone app stack, made it small, hid it and never use it. Now when I make it 
into a standalone, the Standalone Builder finds the unused DG and includes the 
needed support for DGs. Result: The DGs in all parts of my app now work fine.

Phil


On 4/16/12 8:48 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> I am at my wit?s end. Suddenly, my datagrid stopped working in my standalone. At first, I laughed, "Oh ho, I must have neglected to load the revdatagrid library! It?ll be fixed in a jiffy!"
>
> But no.
>
> "The lockmessages must be true!"
>
> no.
>
> "The data array must be empty!"
>
> no.
>
> ...
>
> Many, many hours later, it still fails. I have attached my debugging log stack to the standalone and added output statements in every step. I have ascertained?for sure?that IN THE STANDALONE:
>
> - the datagrid library is in memory,
> - the datagrid library behavior button exists,
> - my datagrid group?s behavior is properly set,
> - the template stack is in memory,
> - the data array to be sent to the datagrid is correct,
> - the lockmessages is false,
>
> but when the statement:
>
>    set the dgData of grp "Modules" of me to gModinfoA
>
> is encountered, the 'setprop dgData' in the revdatgrid library IS NOT EXECUTED, and my next statement:
>
>    dispatch "SortDataByKey" to grp "Modules" of me with "title", "international","ascending", false
>
> is UNHANDLED.
>
> Does anyone have any insight at all? I?ve exhausted myself over this. It used to work! It works in the IDE! I have a deadline!
>
> I need a clue. *sob*
>
> t
>
>
>
>

-- 
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PDS Labs
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 13:52:39 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:52:39 +0200
Subject: select all rows in DG table via script?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDp=8_cn_nzoEK8kvkEnHsEdeD6PGJ3Xh+6p_dGV3C7nSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A3D94600-B480-4A83-B093-0114B3AB4CA6@major.on-rev.com>
	<CANbzFDp=8_cn_nzoEK8kvkEnHsEdeD6PGJ3Xh+6p_dGV3C7nSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <199BD514-B605-4811-B122-2799672095EB@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Zryip,

Am 17.04.2012 um 19:41 schrieb zryip theSlug:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Another solution is to send a SelectAll command to the datagrid group:
> dispatch "SelectAll" to grp "myDatagrid"

well, this sounds like a good idea :-D
Thanks!

> Have also a look in your copy of DGH. The script installer has a
> button named "Select All" with an example using this command.

Ah, sorry, did not find the time to dig a bit deeper into that great utility... :-/

> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> the subject says it all, how can I select all rows in a TABLE DataGrid via script?
>> I want to implement a "Select all" menu item, but did not find a hint in the DG docs.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Apr 17 14:17:07 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:17:07 +0200
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
Message-ID: <0E798F6B-EDA3-4273-B553-7F04B5671F12@mac.com>

I haven't put 'OT' on the subject because I think this should be on topic for any LC developer planning to deploy on iOS. I have been confused by the current discussion started by Bob Sneidar {"How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly"). I don't want to comment on Apple's policies (I'm too ignorant) but I do want to understand clearly how to deal with the following scenario. At the moment I am drowning in Apple documentation and Apple terminology - provisioning, certificates, profiles, requests, Team Agents (am I one?), etc. I have come to a grinding halt because what the Apple documentation says I should be seeing, I'm not seeing.

Anyway, suppose:

1. I develop an iOS app for a friend who had the business idea. I'm OK with this bit.

2. I reach the beta test stage and I want my friend to see the app. He is literally on the other side of the world. Can I send him a copy at this stage for him to load into his iPhone? I think I can if I have something called an iOS Distribution Certificate. My research with Apple shows that this is non-trivial as it means a request and presumably a response - and the docs I've see lead to references to Leopard, but I'm on Lion, and indeed although I can generate a request, I don't seem to be able to generate a recognisable Certificate, nor do any of my keys look as if they belong with any certificate. Does anyone know what to do, and if there are any gotchas?

3. Suppose we iterate to the point where we believe the app is useful: the next thing is to distribute it to a few people in the profession my friend is in, so that the rough edges can be knocked off. Presumably this is just an extension of (2) but I have to register (do I?) the serial numbers or whatever of the new devices.

4. Suppose we all think the thing is great but that it will never be the killer app, and indeed not more than 100 people will want to buy it (I use the number 100 because I think this is the ad hoc limit). Is it possible to get it out to up to 100 people without registering each and every device - and if not, do I have to maintain the list of devices?

I realise that I will probably have to slog through the Apple Provisioning Portal and the Apple Developer Forums to understand all this, but I could sure use a short cut - that is, if anyone has time to explain.

Hopefully

Graham





From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 14:22:45 2012
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:22:45 +0200
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDqusvhn+UaEoNQYysCkckSa3_Q=1yr7VOh6dY97nmPLNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pete,

Sorry for the delay in the answer, I've just read your post.


Have you tried to send a ResetControl command to the datagrid, before
to change the dgNumberOfRecords property?

Example:

command PopulateMyDataGrid
   doMySQLStuff

   send "ResetControl" to grp "myDataGrid"
   set the dgNumberOfRecords of grp "myDataGrid" to tNumberOfRecords

end PopulateMyDataGrid

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> I am running into some pretty major issues using the datagrid's
> dgNUmberOfRecords/GetDataForLine functionality.
>
> First issue.
>
> I load data into the datagrid by setting the dgNumberOfRecords -
> GetDataForLine is called correctly, all looks fine. ?Now I go through a
> filtering process and set the dgNUmberOfRecords again, let's say it ends up
> at 2. ?GetDataForLine gets called twice and I see that I load the correct
> data into pDataA. ?The datagrid now correctly shows two lines but they have
> the data from the first two lines of the original display, not the selected
> lines. ?Bad news.
>
> Second Issue.
>
> This one seems to happen when the total number of rows in the datagrid is
> an exact multiple of the visible rows in the datagrid. ?For example, let's
> say there are 50 records presented to the datagrid and it has 10 visible
> lines. ?No problem with the initial display of the data. ?Now I want to add
> a row of data to the end of the datagrid. ?I set the dgNumberOfRecords to
> the new row count but the datagrid still shows the original last row at the
> end of the datagrid and I cannot scroll down any further. ?I try scroliing
> up and down, no joy. ?Bad News.
>
>
> Trevor or zryip, or anyone else - any ideas?


Best Regards,
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 17 14:26:59 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:26:59 -0500
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <90EDB949-323B-4BA1-92FD-BF87603406F1@verizon.net>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<4F8D70E9.4030702@fourthworld.com>
	<D32FBCEB-46B6-4C00-81E4-5500613DE905@verizon.net>
	<4F8D8D9C.4040302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<90EDB949-323B-4BA1-92FD-BF87603406F1@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F8DB5F3.4010705@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/17/12 10:47 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> You have to wait for it to download before you can use it, but you
> don't have to wait for it to download if you're just installing it.
> With Android the download stage is ahead of the installing stage. The
> Android download, accept permissions, install stages, are the
> equivalent of the single touch you do with BetaBuilder. I'm not sure
> how it is with AirLaunch.

AirLaunch and BetaBuilder are similar in that they prepare files for OTA 
installation, but BetaBuilder has more manual steps and requires 
separate apps to build the .ipa and upload to a server. AirLaunch does 
all that by itself and is integrated with LiveCode.

The differences between Android and iOS installations seem pretty minor 
to me though. The extra click to accept permissions isn't much of an 
inconvenience, and has the advantage of allowing you to abort the 
installation if you want.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 17 14:40:24 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:40:24 -0400
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <0E798F6B-EDA3-4273-B553-7F04B5671F12@mac.com>
References: <0E798F6B-EDA3-4273-B553-7F04B5671F12@mac.com>
Message-ID: <567E6DED-55ED-41E3-9205-92329080DD5C@verizon.net>

The LiveCode Lessons pages include some walkthroughs that show you the things you need to know. Here's the one on getting a distribution certificate:

http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4069/l/32957-how-do-i-create-a-distribution-profile-for-ios

For everything you described though, you can get by with a Developer certificate and provisioning profiles. In order to get your app working on your own devices you will need to have entered the device IDs into your account, and selected those devices when making the provisioning file.

The iOS Portal has a How To tab, that also steps you through the different stages. Go here, and log in when asked:

https://developer.apple.com/ios/manage/provisioningprofiles/index.action

If you did have 100 people who wanted the app you would need to enter all of those devices into your account in order for it to work for them. And then the provisioning file will time out after a few months.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 17 14:48:54 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:48:54 -0500
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <0E798F6B-EDA3-4273-B553-7F04B5671F12@mac.com>
References: <0E798F6B-EDA3-4273-B553-7F04B5671F12@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F8DBB16.7060209@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/17/12 1:17 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> At the
> moment I am drowning in Apple documentation and Apple terminology -
> provisioning, certificates, profiles, requests, Team Agents (am I
> one?), etc. I have come to a grinding halt because what the Apple
> documentation says I should be seeing, I'm not seeing.

We've all been there. It isn't easy. I keep thinking there has to be a 
better way.

> 2. I reach the beta test stage and I want my friend to see the app.
> He is literally on the other side of the world. Can I send him a copy
> at this stage for him to load into his iPhone? I think I can if I
> have something called an iOS Distribution Certificate.

Distribution certificates are only for commercial release in the App 
Store. For testing you want a development certificate. These expire in a 
year but are renewable. You create one from the Development tab in the 
portal. Create a provisioning profile there and the portal will 
automatically create a "team provisioning profile" at the same time. Use 
the team one for your test apps, as that's the one that lets you add 
devices. You need to enter the device UDID into the Devices section on 
the web site. You can enter up to 100 devices per year.

It's easiest to record the IDs first and then create the profiles. But 
if you made the profiles and later need to add more devices, add them to 
the web site and then go to XCode, and "Refresh" the profile. That will 
add the new devices to the profile on your hard drive.

>
> 3. Suppose we iterate to the point where we believe the app is
> useful: the next thing is to distribute it to a few people in the
> profession my friend is in, so that the rough edges can be knocked
> off. Presumably this is just an extension of (2) but I have to
> register (do I?) the serial numbers or whatever of the new devices.

Right. Every testing device has to be entered in the portal. Then you 
either make new development provisioning profiles (which will include 
their devices) or you can refresh your existing profile via XCode. Once 
the profile has been updated to include the new devices, rebuild the 
standalone with the new profile.

>
> 4. Suppose we all think the thing is great but that it will never be
> the killer app, and indeed not more than 100 people will want to buy
> it (I use the number 100 because I think this is the ad hoc limit).
> Is it possible to get it out to up to 100 people without registering
> each and every device - and if not, do I have to maintain the list of
> devices?

If you want to continue to use the test profile, then you need to enter 
each device into the portal. Apple will keep the list, it's always 
visible there.

If you want to distribute freely without entering IDs then I think you 
need to use the Enterprise distribution method. That costs money but 
frees you from the necessity of entering all those device IDs. I think 
you can distribute up to 500 devices but there are restrictions on who 
can use the app. I'm not familiar enough with the Enterprise program to 
know much about how it works though, so I'm afraid you'd have to read up 
on that.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 14:54:51 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:54:51 +0200
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
Message-ID: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

I have some scripts that I need to execute AFTER the user has finished resizing my stack.

On the Mac I can set "the liveresizing" of my stack to false and simply execute my scripts at
the end of my "resizestack" handler. But this does not work on windows, where "liveresizing" 
is always true resp. does not have any effect.

Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?

Thanks!


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 17 15:02:53 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:02:53 -0600
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>


On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> I have some scripts that I need to execute AFTER the user has finished resizing my stack.
> 
> On the Mac I can set "the liveresizing" of my stack to false and simply execute my scripts at
> the end of my "resizestack" handler. But this does not work on windows, where "liveresizing" 
> is always true resp. does not have any effect.
> 
> Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?

Check 'the mouse' in resizeStack?

dar

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Apr 17 15:03:01 2012
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:03:01 +0100
Subject: [OT] How to take a fairly good concept and jack it up badly
In-Reply-To: <93AD31F5-6A2C-441D-9271-99AAC8D5E3FE@twft.com>
References: <84A93A75-839B-4E16-91A3-729D68D3131F@twft.com>
	<314F22D7-62B2-477E-B136-42B1CFF66108@gmail.com>
	<93AD31F5-6A2C-441D-9271-99AAC8D5E3FE@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F8DBE65.7030901@cogapp.com>

On 17/04/2012 16:14, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I was misinformed. You can do more than one, but I don't think more than 5. We have 70 at least.

My impression is that you can, but you shouldn't.  That is, the store lets you 
download and install on multiple machines; but you are then in breach of the 
license.  The five-machine permit is a 'family license' concept, and doesn't 
apply to commercial use.  If you need a small number greater than one for your 
employees, Apple makes it easy - unless you take legal obligations seriously, 
in which case as Bob points out you either have to jump through a lot of 
hoops, or pay for a minimum quantity of 20 units.

On 17/04/2012 00:14, Kee Nethery wrote:
 > how does Microsoft handle multiple machines in an office?

They have a (relatively!) straightforward Volume Licensing system.  You deal 
with a reseller, they help you navigate through a maze of options, in the end 
they invoice you in the normal way and you end up being able to log into a 
Microsoft portal, manage your licenses (in the case of MS Office, for both Mac 
and Windows), download versions, pay more for 3yrs 'software assurance', etc. 
  It's all a serious attempt to serve - and extract maximum cash from - the 
SME sector.

And there's the rub. Those licenses cost a lot. The reseller has to do some 
work so they have to make their cut, and Microsoft price for the corporate user.

By contrast, a single Lion upgrade is GBP 21 (approx US$ 33).  In this way 
also Apple is clearly aiming at the consumer.  If you have three Windows 
users, you'll probably pay about as much to upgrade them as to buy a 20 pack 
of Lion upgrade licenses.

On 17/04/2012 07:10, Richmond wrote:
> Whatever you may think about Steve Jobs; one should always remember that
> when the 'guru' dies, the nature of the organisation changes

Let's not retroactively credit SJ with every thing good, and exempt him for 
responsibility for everything bad; this problem was being discussed last June, 
long before he departed.





From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Apr 17 15:24:13 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:24:13 -0400
Subject: iOS apps not installing on device
In-Reply-To: <ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>
	<ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <006a01cd1ccf$ac7773d0$05665b70$@net>

Colin/Pierre,

Thanks for your help Pierre! I had got it working again just before your
email arrived. Here's what I did:

1) I Noticed that the provisioning profiles listed in LC had my app's
Provisioning listed twice?? Weird...
2) Closed LC
3) In Xcode with the iPad connected I deleted the provisioning profile from
the library and the iPad (there was just one instance there).
4) Deleted the provisioning profile from the portal.
5) From the portal I generated a new provisioning profile with a different
name(just appended a 2 to the end) using the same app ID.
6) Downloaded and installed the profile.
7) Fired up LC, selected the new profile and built the app.
6) Dragged the app into iTunes and synced.
7) All is good app installed and runs just fine.

Now..... Colin

I then went to Xcode and noticed that the iPad did not have a green bullet
or any bullet at all. I went the iPad's apps and I could not drag an app
into it or delete an app. The add/delete buttons were grayed out. I clicked
back onto the iPad main screen (with no bullet of any color) and there was
an empty screen that had a "use this device for development" button. So I
said OK I'll click this and be able to bypass iTunes. Well well well. I got
this screen. And now I have a yellow bullet.

********************************************************
The version of iOS on "name of my iPad" does not match any of the version of
iOS
supported for development with this installation of the iOS SDK Please
restore the
device to a version of the OS listed below, or update to the latest version
of the iOS SDK;
which is available here

Os Installed in "Name of my iPad"
5.1 (98176)

Xcode Supported iOS Versions
Latest
5.0 (9A334)
4.3
4.2
**********************************************************

But I can still link an app in LC, drag into iTunes, synced the iPad and the
app installs and runs just fine and dandy. Whew... I thought by clicking
that button I backed myself into the "stop all work and install Lion and new
SDK" corner. I was planning to do it last week and had some other issues
that came up and ran out of time then had get this app out the door using
the currently installed Xcode 4.2 and OSX 10.6.8.

Any help or comments are appreciated and I do apologize in advance for my
lack of knowledge in the Mac arena.

Thanks again all!


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----

From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Colin Holgate
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:29 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: iOS apps not installing on device

Incidentally, if you can get through those steps, including seeing the iPad
in the Organizer window, then there's no need to involve iTunes at all. Just
drag the .app file on to your device in the Organizer window's device list,
it will install without requiring a sync.

-----Original Message-----

From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Sahores
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:23 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: iOS apps not installing on device

Ralph,

What works for me when the problem occurs (:

- Go to the iPad preference pane
- Select the General Tab
- Select Profile
- Remove the Provisioning profiles available there
- Connect your iPad to your mac via usb
- Launch XCode
- Go to the Organizer window
- From the iPad device main tab (followed by a green bullet), click on the
arrow witch follows the "Provisioning" item to enroll your iPad again with
the provisioning profile you dedicated to your iPad

Best,

Pierre

Le 17 avr. 2012 ? 07:48, Ralph DiMola a ?crit :

> I am getting this error when syncing iTunes to my iPad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The app "MyApp" was not installed in the iPad
> 
> "Evergreens iPad" because an unknown error occurred
> 
> (0xE8000007)
> 
> 
> 
> I just made some small changes in the code and this error started.
> 
> I synced the same app built yesterday from the same stack and it 
> installed perfect.
> 
> What is this error?
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> 
> IT Director
> 
> Evergreen Information Services
> 
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 17 16:10:33 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:10:33 -0400
Subject: iOS apps not installing on device
In-Reply-To: <006a01cd1ccf$ac7773d0$05665b70$@net>
References: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>
	<ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>
	<006a01cd1ccf$ac7773d0$05665b70$@net>
Message-ID: <79DD7ABD-40FC-4197-ABB0-55F4EB7136C1@verizon.net>

I have seen those reluctant yellow dots. I eventually gave in and upgraded to Lion, and installed the latest Xcode. That was probably what fixed it for me.






From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 16:44:38 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:44:38 +0200
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
	<89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Dar,

Am 17.04.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Dar Scott:

> On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> 
>> I have some scripts that I need to execute AFTER the user has finished resizing my stack.
>> On the Mac I can set "the liveresizing" of my stack to false and simply execute my scripts at
>> the end of my "resizestack" handler. But this does not work on windows, where "liveresizing" 
>> is always true resp. does not have any effect.
>> 
>> Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?
> 
> Check 'the mouse' in resizeStack?

ah, you mean for UP or DOWN?
Hm, yep, looks like it is always DOWN in that case.

And? Sorry, what am I missing?

> dar

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:56:17 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:56:17 -0600
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
	<89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
	<615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpM81KR4D3KJNJqD0EYT=mkRvDi4zM=3csmPA6+6L6vPg@mail.gmail.com>

Use a send in time to do this.

create a handler to do whatever it is that you want done when the stack is
done resizing

command resizingDone
if the mouse is up then
### stuff to do after resize
end if
end resizingDone


And use a send in time from the resizestack handler

on resizestack
## any code you want to run during resize
send resizingDone to me in 1 tick
end resizestack

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>wrote:

> Hi Dar,
>
> Am 17.04.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Dar Scott:
>
> > On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> >
> >> I have some scripts that I need to execute AFTER the user has finished
> resizing my stack.
> >> On the Mac I can set "the liveresizing" of my stack to false and simply
> execute my scripts at
> >> the end of my "resizestack" handler. But this does not work on windows,
> where "liveresizing"
> >> is always true resp. does not have any effect.
> >>
> >> Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?
> >
> > Check 'the mouse' in resizeStack?
>
> ah, you mean for UP or DOWN?
> Hm, yep, looks like it is always DOWN in that case.
>
> And? Sorry, what am I missing?
>
> > dar
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 17 16:57:31 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:57:31 -0500
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
	<89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
	<615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4F8DD93B.2040209@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/17/12 3:44 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Dar,
>
> Am 17.04.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Dar Scott:
>
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>>
>>> I have some scripts that I need to execute AFTER the user has finished resizing my stack.
>>> On the Mac I can set "the liveresizing" of my stack to false and simply execute my scripts at
>>> the end of my "resizestack" handler. But this does not work on windows, where "liveresizing"
>>> is always true resp. does not have any effect.
>>>
>>> Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?
>>
>> Check 'the mouse' in resizeStack?
>
> ah, you mean for UP or DOWN?
> Hm, yep, looks like it is always DOWN in that case.
>
> And? Sorry, what am I missing?

Does it never report "up"? (I didn't check.) If it does, the user let go 
and it isn't a live resize any more, it's a... dead resize. An 
ex-resize. An over-size.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 17:09:02 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:09:02 +0200
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpM81KR4D3KJNJqD0EYT=mkRvDi4zM=3csmPA6+6L6vPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
	<89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
	<615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
	<CAG1cpSpM81KR4D3KJNJqD0EYT=mkRvDi4zM=3csmPA6+6L6vPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F7C6B35-8FA5-4B8C-8147-DFEA76B68736@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mike,

Am 17.04.2012 um 22:56 schrieb Mike Bonner:

> Use a send in time to do this.
> 
> create a handler to do whatever it is that you want done when the stack is
> done resizing
> 
> command resizingDone
> if the mouse is up then
> ### stuff to do after resize
> end if
> end resizingDone
> 
> And use a send in time from the resizestack handler
> 
> on resizestack
> ## any code you want to run during resize
> send resizingDone to me in 1 tick
> end resizestack

ah, yes, that's what I was looking for :-)
Thanks a lot!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Apr 17 17:11:01 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:11:01 +0200
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <4F8DD93B.2040209@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
	<89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
	<615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
	<4F8DD93B.2040209@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FA5C017D-440F-4BB4-B2A6-B73AA7BBE972@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

Am 17.04.2012 um 22:57 schrieb J. Landman Gay:

> On 4/17/12 3:44 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> Hi Dar,
>>>> ...
>>>> Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?
>>> Check 'the mouse' in resizeStack?
>> 
>> ah, you mean for UP or DOWN?
>> Hm, yep, looks like it is always DOWN in that case.
>> And? Sorry, what am I missing?
> Does it never report "up"? (I didn't check.)

Not inside of a "resizestack" handler!

> If it does, the user let go and it isn't a live resize any more, it's a... dead resize. An ex-resize. An over-size.

Lotsa work? :-D

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 17 17:10:56 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:10:56 -0600
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
References: <E59DC692-86FC-4193-8305-7539C1B766DA@major.on-rev.com>
	<89954965-5348-448F-9C5B-477375F309CC@swcp.com>
	<615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <3AEC7D8A-E3B4-401B-A932-B9D339EA5498@swcp.com>

Yeah, I was thinking the last one would show the mouse UP.  My next suggestion is similar to that made by Mike: use send.  

If you are not able to catch the UP with his suggestion, increase the time or maybe the first resizeStack would start a send-polling cycle that looks for mouse up.  

Dar

On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Dar,
> 
> Am 17.04.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Dar Scott:
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> 
>>> I have some scripts that I need to execute AFTER the user has finished resizing my stack.
>>> On the Mac I can set "the liveresizing" of my stack to false and simply execute my scripts at
>>> the end of my "resizestack" handler. But this does not work on windows, where "liveresizing" 
>>> is always true resp. does not have any effect.
>>> 
>>> Any hints how I can trap that above menitoned moment on Windows?
>> 
>> Check 'the mouse' in resizeStack?
> 
> ah, you mean for UP or DOWN?
> Hm, yep, looks like it is always DOWN in that case.
> 
> And? Sorry, what am I missing?
> 
>> dar
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Apr 17 17:30:54 2012
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:30:54 -0400
Subject: Measuring Angles?
In-Reply-To: <006a01cd1ccf$ac7773d0$05665b70$@net>
References: <005a01cd1c5d$b5c7f850$2157e8f0$@net>
	<ED14C1A0-45C4-4268-970D-8199E78A5C01@sahores-conseil.com>
	<006a01cd1ccf$ac7773d0$05665b70$@net>
Message-ID: <5C6A0B94-26E8-43A3-994B-F0DFE6117D83@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

Ok, I've tried just about everything I can think of to measure X,Y, and Z angles
on my iPad 2.  Nothing works right.  I tried converting from radians to degrees,
and the device just isn't giving me the correct information at all.  I've tried the
accelerometer, the "gyroscope", etc.  They all want to give me information like
the rate of change.  I just want angles in degrees!  Has anyone else had this
problem or found a solution that really works correctly and accurately?
(Yes, I've tried the basic examples given.)

Thanks in advance!

Rick


From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Apr 17 18:08:17 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:08:17 -0700
Subject: Major Datagrid Issues
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDqusvhn+UaEoNQYysCkckSa3_Q=1yr7VOh6dY97nmPLNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePfF47kowAP9efd8MeP60=f0f1Wh8SUWbKfooJ5Qc4yMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANbzFDqusvhn+UaEoNQYysCkckSa3_Q=1yr7VOh6dY97nmPLNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO1+-8U8a-2AoUN7aG+5+0WkuwVG48nGi_=tWTPNfBeng@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you zryip, that fixed both problems.  I had found another solution
which was to set the dgtext to empty.  I initially thought that wouldn't
work since the internal dg storage is not supposed to exist when use
dgNumberOFRecords.  I feel more comfortable with your solution though,
Thanks,
Pete
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> Sorry for the delay in the answer, I've just read your post.
>
>
> Have you tried to send a ResetControl command to the datagrid, before
> to change the dgNumberOfRecords property?
>
> Example:
>
> command PopulateMyDataGrid
>   doMySQLStuff
>
>   send "ResetControl" to grp "myDataGrid"
>   set the dgNumberOfRecords of grp "myDataGrid" to tNumberOfRecords
>
> end PopulateMyDataGrid
>
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> > I am running into some pretty major issues using the datagrid's
> > dgNUmberOfRecords/GetDataForLine functionality.
> >
> > First issue.
> >
> > I load data into the datagrid by setting the dgNumberOfRecords -
> > GetDataForLine is called correctly, all looks fine.  Now I go through a
> > filtering process and set the dgNUmberOfRecords again, let's say it ends
> up
> > at 2.  GetDataForLine gets called twice and I see that I load the correct
> > data into pDataA.  The datagrid now correctly shows two lines but they
> have
> > the data from the first two lines of the original display, not the
> selected
> > lines.  Bad news.
> >
> > Second Issue.
> >
> > This one seems to happen when the total number of rows in the datagrid is
> > an exact multiple of the visible rows in the datagrid.  For example,
> let's
> > say there are 50 records presented to the datagrid and it has 10 visible
> > lines.  No problem with the initial display of the data.  Now I want to
> add
> > a row of data to the end of the datagrid.  I set the dgNumberOfRecords to
> > the new row count but the datagrid still shows the original last row at
> the
> > end of the datagrid and I cannot scroll down any further.  I try
> scroliing
> > up and down, no joy.  Bad News.
> >
> >
> > Trevor or zryip, or anyone else - any ideas?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Apr 17 18:58:50 2012
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
In-Reply-To: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>
References: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1204171558001.7838@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Funny you should mention this... This is what I'm thinking of doing at my 
kids' middle school next year...  Well, without robots anyways.

Judy

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Richmond wrote:

> Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
> that they may have missed an important chance?
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17740143



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Apr 17 19:20:36 2012
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
In-Reply-To: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>
References: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1204171619440.7998@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Not necessarily; they could still get listed here:

http://codeclub.org.uk/blog/

But then they'd need a canned set of lesson plans.

Judy

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Richmond wrote:

> Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
> that they may have missed an important chance?



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 20:32:05 2012
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:32:05 +0100
Subject: [OT] nice views from my city
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It's really quite nice.

I walk around the city and marvel at how many people basically look
out onto tarmac or brick.  After living with a view for so long, I
can't imagine not having one.  But most people don't (at least not in
cities).

Another reason to count one's blessings.

Bernard

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, I have neither a bay nor a city view. I'm stuck waking up to this :-)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11969754/photo.JPG
>
> I took that happy snap at 7AM this morning.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 03:44:19 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:44:19 +0300
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
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On 04/18/2012 02:20 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
> Not necessarily; they could still get listed here:
>
> http://codeclub.org.uk/blog/
>
> But then they'd need a canned set of lesson plans.
>

I am working out a programme, of sorts, for the summer here with 
Livecode; maybe I should flog the results to RunRev, Ha, Ha.

> Judy
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
>> that they may have missed an important chance?
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr 18 05:23:23 2012
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:23:23 -0500
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
Message-ID: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>

There's this new mobile app development platform called AppGyver:
http://appgyver-preview

and they have a 'player' app for developers which has already passed review
and is in the AppStore: AppGyver Preview App

Anyone can download this app to their iPhone and then enter in a name and a
password and download an app a developer built. I wonder if LC should
consider such a 'LiveCode Preview App' ??


-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Altuit, Inc.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 05:25:57 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:25:57 +0300
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1204171619440.7998@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>
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On 04/18/2012 02:20 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
> Not necessarily; they could still get listed here:
>
> http://codeclub.org.uk/blog/
>
> But then they'd need a canned set of lesson plans.

Certainly the Hackety-Hack website is rather well set out; and, frankly,
I much prefer what I can see there to the Scratch stuff (too Lego-like for
comfort).

Our friends (muffled cough) (are you reading this Kev?) could do well to
meditate on this a bit.

The kids who will be messing around with Hackety-Hack today will be 
doing great things with Ruby very shortly.

I cannot see how RunRev would lose if they released, say, Dreamcard 2.6 
as a FREE thing,

or, even, RR 2 (which had standalone building capabilities.

I know they want to earn money (and who doesn't????), that is quite 
understandable; but I am sure releasing something
of the order of the above with a dozen reasonably well thought-out 
lessons would bounce back in a financially favourable
way in due course.

>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
>> that they may have missed an important chance?
>
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Wed Apr 18 05:31:07 2012
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:31:07 +0100
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
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My 10-year old son and all his mates are using Kodu Game lab at school http://fuse.microsoft.com/page/kodu. I can't get him interested in doing the LiveCode summer academy for a game. :-(
Best,
Keith.. 

On 18 Apr 2012, at 10:25, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/18/2012 02:20 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>> Not necessarily; they could still get listed here:
>> 
>> http://codeclub.org.uk/blog/
>> 
>> But then they'd need a canned set of lesson plans.
> 
> Certainly the Hackety-Hack website is rather well set out; and, frankly,
> I much prefer what I can see there to the Scratch stuff (too Lego-like for
> comfort).
> 
> Our friends (muffled cough) (are you reading this Kev?) could do well to
> meditate on this a bit.
> 
> The kids who will be messing around with Hackety-Hack today will be doing great things with Ruby very shortly.
> 
> I cannot see how RunRev would lose if they released, say, Dreamcard 2.6 as a FREE thing,
> 
> or, even, RR 2 (which had standalone building capabilities.
> 
> I know they want to earn money (and who doesn't????), that is quite understandable; but I am sure releasing something
> of the order of the above with a dozen reasonably well thought-out lessons would bounce back in a financially favourable
> way in due course.
> 
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
>>> that they may have missed an important chance?
>> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Apr 18 05:38:08 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:38:08 +0200
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D37F94-B5ED-46E2-BB53-1B8E8E087CF2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Just like PhoneGap, AppGyver is basically a locally functioning website and does nothing that Safari can't do. If Apple has already approved the engine, then Apple might tolerate the preview app. This doesn't pave the way for RunRev to do something similar.

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On 18 apr 2012, at 11:23, Chipp Walters wrote:

> There's this new mobile app development platform called AppGyver:
> http://appgyver-preview
> 
> and they have a 'player' app for developers which has already passed review
> and is in the AppStore: AppGyver Preview App
> 
> Anyone can download this app to their iPhone and then enter in a name and a
> password and download an app a developer built. I wonder if LC should
> consider such a 'LiveCode Preview App' ??
> 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 05:40:06 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:40:06 +0300
Subject: [OT] Missed a chance.
In-Reply-To: <8D62E6C4-A411-43E1-B441-B0ECB9808556@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <4F8DA380.1030203@gmail.com>
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	<8D62E6C4-A411-43E1-B441-B0ECB9808556@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4F8E8BF6.1040907@gmail.com>

Thanks Keith,

What impresses me about both Hackety-Hack and Scratch is that they are 
both tri-platform: working on Linux, Mac and Windows;
meaning that I can use them to teach on the Ubuntu boxes in my school, 
and the kids can carry on with either the Windows or the Linux
versions at home.

> My 10-year old son and all his mates are using Kodu Game lab at school http://fuse.microsoft.com/page/kodu. I can't get him interested in doing the LiveCode summer academy for a game. :-(
> Best,
> Keith..
>
> On 18 Apr 2012, at 10:25, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 04/18/2012 02:20 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>>> Not necessarily; they could still get listed here:
>>>
>>> http://codeclub.org.uk/blog/
>>>
>>> But then they'd need a canned set of lesson plans.
>> Certainly the Hackety-Hack website is rather well set out; and, frankly,
>> I much prefer what I can see there to the Scratch stuff (too Lego-like for
>> comfort).
>>
>> Our friends (muffled cough) (are you reading this Kev?) could do well to
>> meditate on this a bit.
>>
>> The kids who will be messing around with Hackety-Hack today will be doing great things with Ruby very shortly.
>>
>> I cannot see how RunRev would lose if they released, say, Dreamcard 2.6 as a FREE thing,
>>
>> or, even, RR 2 (which had standalone building capabilities.
>>
>> I know they want to earn money (and who doesn't????), that is quite understandable; but I am sure releasing something
>> of the order of the above with a dozen reasonably well thought-out lessons would bounce back in a financially favourable
>> way in due course.
>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012, Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why do I feel that RunRev's "odd" behaviour with RevMedia has meant
>>>> that they may have missed an important chance?
>>>




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 09:06:27 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:06:27 +0300
Subject: Kucheta!
Message-ID: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>

http://www.frognews.bg/news_44396/Kucheta_i_profesori/



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Apr 18 09:16:05 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:16:05 +0100
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>


And your point is ?

> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:06:27 +0300
> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> Subject: Kucheta!
> 
> http://www.frognews.bg/news_44396/Kucheta_i_profesori/

 		 	   		  

From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 09:18:17 2012
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:18:17 +0200
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>
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SPAM?!



2012/4/18 John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
> And your point is ?
>
>> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:06:27 +0300
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> Subject: Kucheta!
>>
>> http://www.frognews.bg/news_44396/Kucheta_i_profesori/
>
>
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Apr 18 09:20:10 2012
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:20:10 +0200
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E6183A4-8B7F-4021-B0C9-368D866AB5FC@numericable.com>

? ?????? ?? ???????!
;-)

Le 18 avr. 2012 ? 15:06, Richmond a ?crit :

> http://www.frognews.bg/news_44396/Kucheta_i_profesori/
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Apr 18 09:27:52 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:27:52 +0200
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <7E6183A4-8B7F-4021-B0C9-368D866AB5FC@numericable.com>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
	<7E6183A4-8B7F-4021-B0C9-368D866AB5FC@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <DC81F520-0BE4-4B5C-946C-E6D876C74F22@economy-x-talk.com>

? ????. But that's Russian, not Bulgarian.

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On 18 apr 2012, at 15:20, Ren? Micout wrote:

> ? ?????? ?? ???????!
> ;-)
> 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 10:14:03 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:14:03 +0300
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F8ECC2B.9090802@gmail.com>

On 04/18/2012 04:16 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> And your point is ?

Sorry chaps; posted to the wrong place!

>
>> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:06:27 +0300
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> Subject: Kucheta!
>>
>> http://www.frognews.bg/news_44396/Kucheta_i_profesori/
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 18 10:27:52 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:27:52 +0200
Subject: trapping something like "resizestack finished" on Windows? :-)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpM81KR4D3KJNJqD0EYT=mkRvDi4zM=3csmPA6+6L6vPg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<615EB03A-E66B-4803-A955-71325653A76F@major.on-rev.com>
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Message-ID: <BBED516B-0098-4ACD-82C0-4460F24D62E7@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mike,

Am 17.04.2012 um 22:56 schrieb Mike Bonner:

> Use a send in time to do this.
> 
> create a handler to do whatever it is that you want done when the stack is
> done resizing
> 
> command resizingDone
> if the mouse is up then
> ### stuff to do after resize
> end if
> end resizingDone
> 
> And use a send in time from the resizestack handler
> 
> on resizestack
> ## any code you want to run during resize
> send resizingDone to me in 1 tick
> end resizestack

I just implemented this and it works GREAT! :-)
Thanks!


Best

Klaus
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From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Apr 18 11:04:22 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:04:22 -0400
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <4F8ECC2B.9090802@gmail.com>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>
	<4F8ECC2B.9090802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E7855F5-9ED7-402A-BD9A-CE0FE56C9037@verizon.net>

I naturally assumed you were working on a stack that was a game, where you control an 88 year old professor as he runs away from rabid dogs.


On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> >Sorry chaps; posted to the wrong place!



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr 18 11:25:45 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:25:45 -0700
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3C51EC6-D8E5-4AE2-913B-4F18767092DB@twft.com>

http://www.appgyver.com/

That link works. Kinda stupid name tho'.

Bob


On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:23 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> There's this new mobile app development platform called AppGyver:
> http://appgyver-preview
> 
> and they have a 'player' app for developers which has already passed review
> and is in the AppStore: AppGyver Preview App
> 
> Anyone can download this app to their iPhone and then enter in a name and a
> password and download an app a developer built. I wonder if LC should
> consider such a 'LiveCode Preview App' ??
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Altuit, Inc.
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr 18 11:29:32 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:29:32 -0700
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16B1450F-A688-4C5E-BE50-AF7E4FC802D8@twft.com>

Are these the guys who have been sending me all that spam?? Language looks familiar...

Bob


On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Richmond wrote:

> http://www.frognews.bg/news_44396/Kucheta_i_profesori/
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 11:38:44 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:38:44 +0300
Subject: Kucheta!
In-Reply-To: <4E7855F5-9ED7-402A-BD9A-CE0FE56C9037@verizon.net>
References: <4F8EBC53.7020102@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W12594E277579EDD4A3A65ED3C0@phx.gbl>
	<4F8ECC2B.9090802@gmail.com>
	<4E7855F5-9ED7-402A-BD9A-CE0FE56C9037@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4F8EE004.8000103@gmail.com>

On 04/18/2012 06:04 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> I naturally assumed you were working on a stack that was a game, where you control an 88 year old professor as he runs away from rabid dogs.

Well, Colin, obviously your Bulgarian is progressing; perhaps I should 
post more newspaper articles by my son to the Use-List . . .  :)

>
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>> Sorry chaps; posted to the wrong place!
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From mpezzo at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 12:30:55 2012
From: mpezzo at gmail.com (AcidJazz)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <F3C51EC6-D8E5-4AE2-913B-4F18767092DB@twft.com>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
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The name is based on the American tv show "MacGyver" isn't it?    The
character could, essentially build anything out of a paper clip, book of
matches, or whatever he had available.   That may not make the name less
stupid, but I was pronouncing it App "giver" and definitely thought that was
silly.  Then I realized you probably pronounce with a long "I" - thus the tv
show.          

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver


- Mark

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From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Wed Apr 18 12:38:13 2012
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:38:13 -0600
Subject: Goofy developer questions
Message-ID: <723C28F9-C6B7-4699-8553-9DE27016B5A6@mac.com>

I am just about to enroll in both the Mac and iOS developer programs and I have a few questions. I would also like to enroll with Microsoft for Windows (no mobile OS's) which raises even more questions.

First of all, I can't find any place on the Microsoft websites to register. Anyone have a link handy? I want to do this if only to avoid potential users getting that "allow this unknown developer to make changes to your computer" warning. How do they come up with that language anyway? It sounds like by installing a program the developer can install a slower CPU and plug your ports with chewing gum ;-) So how do I sign up?

And the weird question is this. Once I am a registered developer for these OS's, is there something in the standalone settings that allows the app to run/be installed without scary warnings? Just how does this work, especially for Windows, since the Mac warning isn't so scary, just something like "this app was downloaded from the internet." In the standalone settings, for OSX there is a place for "signature," but in the Windows part there is nothing that pertains to the developer ID. And does that signature even cancel the potential warning? How does that work? And how can a user's Windows machine know that the developer is recognized as legit?

So in a nutshell, how does this all work?

Cheers,

Lars

 





From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr 18 12:50:14 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:50:14 -0700
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <1334766655629-4568233.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3C51EC6-D8E5-4AE2-913B-4F18767092DB@twft.com>
	<1334766655629-4568233.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2A9E5835-F5F1-4D51-BC8C-EB185124B688@twft.com>

You are correct, and I did get the connection. I used to watch that show. It was entertaining. As an aside, Myth Busters did a segment on whether or not it was possible to blow open a lock by taking the gunpowder from a few bullets, pouring it into the key hole, sticking a bullet casing (without the bullet) into the hole, and firing off the powder by striking the back of the bullet with the butt end of the gun. 

It failed on virtually every front. First, he opened the bullets with his bare hands, a superhuman feat in and of itself. Next, there was not enough gunpowder in a few bullets to break the lock, even if you fired off the powder with a blasting cap. Next, no one could get a bullet to fire with just the butt end of a gun. They had to weld a firing pin to the end of the gun, then create a swing arm to hit exactly on the cap to get it to fire, and even then it didn't light off the powder in the keyhole. 

Imagine my disappointment to see one of my favorite childhood heroes so thoroughly debunked! ;-)

Bob

On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:30 AM, AcidJazz wrote:

> The name is based on the American tv show "MacGyver" isn't it?    The
> character could, essentially build anything out of a paper clip, book of
> matches, or whatever he had available.   That may not make the name less
> stupid, but I was pronouncing it App "giver" and definitely thought that was
> silly.  Then I realized you probably pronounce with a long "I" - thus the tv
> show.          
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver
> 
> 
> - Mark
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Interesting-breach-of-iOS-terms-or-something-for-LC-users-tp4567154p4568233.html
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 18 12:51:45 2012
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:51:45 -0400
Subject: Windows Shortcuts #FAIL?
Message-ID: <CADCoycNj=WJi4=4Z2YyEW2DHpzWuT0PYP75tzHf-qzgh5d3d=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I used the menubuilder to...build some menus for an app I'm trying to run
in Windows but even though I have shortcuts set up for the menu items and
have tried both ctrl and command for the modifiers, they do not seem to
respond.

Suggestions?


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Apr 18 12:59:41 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:59:41 -0400
Subject: Can't Download Server Engine
Message-ID: <FDB7BA53-2E54-44DF-905B-35E7D2DE832E@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I'm on my account page at RunRev and am trying to download the server engine, but when I click the link, I am prompted for a name and password.  I've tried both my RunRev username and password as well as the ones provided in parentheses beside each server engine link.  None works.  How can I download the engine?

Gregory


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 13:04:17 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:04:17 -0600
Subject: Can't Download Server Engine
In-Reply-To: <FDB7BA53-2E54-44DF-905B-35E7D2DE832E@videotron.ca>
References: <FDB7BA53-2E54-44DF-905B-35E7D2DE832E@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoLgJckaDu0X2R6TYKnpHn7KYh6Qiy5WGcSBP0ONj4iUw@mail.gmail.com>

You are using 'server' as the username right? (lowercase) And if you
copy/paste the listed password, aren't getting an extraneous leading space?
 Other than these things i'd say contact support.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Gregory Lypny
<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm on my account page at RunRev and am trying to download the server
> engine, but when I click the link, I am prompted for a name and password.
>  I've tried both my RunRev username and password as well as the ones
> provided in parentheses beside each server engine link.  None works.  How
> can I download the engine?
>
> Gregory
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 18 13:22:12 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:22:12 -0600
Subject: Goofy developer questions
In-Reply-To: <723C28F9-C6B7-4699-8553-9DE27016B5A6@mac.com>
References: <723C28F9-C6B7-4699-8553-9DE27016B5A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E810903A-BB11-41DE-BACA-3320F5849148@swcp.com>

Being a developer is separate from getting code signed for Windows.  

You can see a range of MSDN (developer) options here:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/buy/buy.aspx

I once was at Ultimate but now am at the OS level.  You probably do not need MSDN.  You need something else and the name escapes me at the moment.

(You will need to be an iOS developer to sign iOS apps.  I don't know about Mac apps.  I am an iOS developer to test on iOS and I'm a Mac developer for development testing and early preview.)

The world changes fast so this might be out of date.

Dar


On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote:

> I am just about to enroll in both the Mac and iOS developer programs and I have a few questions. I would also like to enroll with Microsoft for Windows (no mobile OS's) which raises even more questions.
> 
> First of all, I can't find any place on the Microsoft websites to register. Anyone have a link handy? I want to do this if only to avoid potential users getting that "allow this unknown developer to make changes to your computer" warning. How do they come up with that language anyway? It sounds like by installing a program the developer can install a slower CPU and plug your ports with chewing gum ;-) So how do I sign up?
> 
> And the weird question is this. Once I am a registered developer for these OS's, is there something in the standalone settings that allows the app to run/be installed without scary warnings? Just how does this work, especially for Windows, since the Mac warning isn't so scary, just something like "this app was downloaded from the internet." In the standalone settings, for OSX there is a place for "signature," but in the Windows part there is nothing that pertains to the developer ID. And does that signature even cancel the potential warning? How does that work? And how can a user's Windows machine know that the developer is recognized as legit?
> 
> So in a nutshell, how does this all work?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lars
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Apr 18 13:27:36 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:27:36 -0400
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <2A9E5835-F5F1-4D51-BC8C-EB185124B688@twft.com>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3C51EC6-D8E5-4AE2-913B-4F18767092DB@twft.com>
	<1334766655629-4568233.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2A9E5835-F5F1-4D51-BC8C-EB185124B688@twft.com>
Message-ID: <9299FEEF-81D0-4746-BBF3-6083B1B3A98D@verizon.net>

As an aside to your aside? the husband of a ex-colleague of mine was the person the studio turned to when figuring out the things MacGyver could do. They would call him up and say something like "MacGyver is locked in a broom closet, how would he get out", and he would think about it and call them back with ideas. Then they would send him money.


On Apr 18, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> >Imagine my disappointment to see one of my favorite childhood heroes so thoroughly debunked! ;-)



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Apr 18 13:49:44 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:49:44 -0300
Subject: [ENHANCEMENT REQUEST] LiveCode Server needs a way to disable SSL
	verification check
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTnwnrRdSCx_YpYdFyoeF5RtKo0+-Ny4AFuqHE+By13e4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Folks,

Sometimes you need to use a self-signed certificate with a server that you
want to access with LiveCode. When using LiveCode with Desktop Apps, you
can issue libURLSetSSLVerification false and be happy but if you're using
LiveCode server, then you're lost because there is no way to disable the
check and the connection will fail if you use an self-signed certificate.

A real world scenario is using a credit card payment processor server that
listens on a secure socket. To do transactions we need to do HTTPS POST
requests to the server but they fail because the server uses a self-signed
certificate. No all SSL certificates need to be signed by a CA to be
useful. We need this feature or we'll soon have to move to PHP or to some
other language that allows us to use self-signed certificates.

Our previous versions used shell() calls to CURL but we wan't to move away
from that.


For those that need the feature, this is the bug:

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10177

Cheers
andre

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http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 14:27:54 2012
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:27:54 -0500
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <9299FEEF-81D0-4746-BBF3-6083B1B3A98D@verizon.net>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3C51EC6-D8E5-4AE2-913B-4F18767092DB@twft.com>
	<1334766655629-4568233.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2A9E5835-F5F1-4D51-BC8C-EB185124B688@twft.com>
	<9299FEEF-81D0-4746-BBF3-6083B1B3A98D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpDROk_sTmSq8pyQ4kNLhFCynUECFHG8Rkhgc54b0fgxA@mail.gmail.com>

This would be the best job ever.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> As an aside to your aside? the husband of a ex-colleague of mine was the
> person the studio turned to when figuring out the things MacGyver could do.
> They would call him up and say something like "MacGyver is locked in a
> broom closet, how would he get out", and he would think about it and call
> them back with ideas. Then they would send him money.


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Apr 18 14:47:32 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:47:32 -0400
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
Message-ID: <1A33D6B4-AB85-4CC1-A8C7-E5CE7C30A99E@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I must have missed something because I can't get the server engine to work on my Mac.  Here's what I did.

1.  I placed the livecode-server executable and the drivers and externals folder into /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/ 

2.  I added these two lines

	AddHandler livecode-script .lc
	Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server

at the end of the <Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents"> section of httpd.conf

3.  I restarted Apache by toggling the web sharing checkbox in system preferences

To test the server, I created a page in iWeb and added an HTML snippet containing

	<p> The internet date is <?rev put the internet date ?></p>

Nothing from the snippet appears on the page.  What am I doing wrong?

Gregory






From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 18 15:33:36 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:33:36 -0500
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <4F8DBB16.7060209@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0E798F6B-EDA3-4273-B553-7F04B5671F12@mac.com>
	<4F8DBB16.7060209@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A95FF166-1D17-4798-9718-FDEEC765667B@sonsothunder.com>

> Right. Every testing device has to be entered in the portal. Then you either make new development provisioning profiles (which will include their devices) or you can refresh your existing profile via XCode. Once the profile has been updated to include the new devices, rebuild the standalone with the new profile.

This is a critical piece that many miss? if you had a standalone that was sent to two people and worked and you then went and added a third person (device) to the portal, you can't just send the same standalone to the third person? you have to *rebuild the standalone* with the new profile in order for the third person to be able to use your standalone.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Apr 18 16:38:55 2012
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:38:55 -0700
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6059.1334709125.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6059.1334709125.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A7497F0D-F95F-4E83-80DB-6C62363A0185@netrin.com>

Graham,

TestFlight is a helpful friend for management of devices & smaller scale distribution outside of the App Store.

http://www.testflightapp.com


Jim Lambert


From charles at buchwald.ca  Wed Apr 18 17:13:43 2012
From: charles at buchwald.ca (Charles E Buchwald)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:13:43 -0500
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <A7497F0D-F95F-4E83-80DB-6C62363A0185@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.6059.1334709125.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<A7497F0D-F95F-4E83-80DB-6C62363A0185@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <344088A8-B8D2-4A02-8CAE-68A91AD5A717@buchwald.ca>

Hi Jim,

TestFlight looks interesting... how does one use it with LC?

- Charles

On 2012-04-18, at 3:38 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

> Graham,
> 
> TestFlight is a helpful friend for management of devices & smaller scale distribution outside of the App Store.
> 
> http://www.testflightapp.com
> 
> 
> Jim Lambert
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr 18 18:51:17 2012
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:51:17 -0500
Subject: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC users?
In-Reply-To: <45D37F94-B5ED-46E2-BB53-1B8E8E087CF2@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAEC4YhM3xVCsnr8Fr13wbzynRE6GbFOAr1WuuZ-_dOfpdv0_jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D37F94-B5ED-46E2-BB53-1B8E8E087CF2@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAEC4YhPnFtqOCJrh5LgMC+86-_Lz4cxwEtEgwwYa2PxyiuW1NA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure I agree. AppGyver (AG) has many of the same api hooks to iOS
as LC. So, in theory, one could just as easily abuse those privileges in an
AG player as a LC player.

For instance, say you write an AG file (html/jscript) to access the native
features of iOS like the contacts list, and copy them all and transport
them somewhere over the Internet. That does something significantly
*different* than what Safari can do. And, in my mind, it represents just as
much a security risk as what you can do with LC.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just like PhoneGap, AppGyver is basically a locally functioning website
> and does nothing that Safari can't do. If Apple has already approved the
> engine, then Apple might tolerate the preview app. This doesn't pave the
> way for RunRev to do something similar.
>
>


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 00:25:30 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:25:30 +0900
Subject: Android field and word prediction
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

When typing in my Android app within a simple text-field object and
with the "word prediction" setting checked on, clicking on any one of
the suggested words results in only the first letter of that word
appearing in the text field. Same thing happens if the suggested words
are ignored and I simply continue typing. Which means that, to type a
word,"Enter" must be hit after each letter is typed.

Of course, the field works as expected if "word prediction" is turned
off in the settings. But that's not a solution.

I tried the Android Release Notes, but couldn't find anything related
to this problem.

Advice please?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Apr 19 01:05:15 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:05:15 -0400
Subject: Android field and word prediction
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05ec8aec-735b-40b4-8806-6c36670c5d28@blur>

Nicolas,

I have been testing with froyo and text field input  works as expected. When  
I tested on a gingerbread tablet today I saw the same thing. What version of  
LC and Android are you running?

Ralph DiMola
MIS Director 
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original message-----
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: LiveCode - general LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 04:25:30 GMT+00:00
Subject: Android field and word prediction

Hello All,

When typing in my Android app within a simple text-field object and
with the "word prediction" setting checked on, clicking on any one of
the suggested words results in only the first letter of that word
appearing in the text field. Same thing happens if the suggested words
are ignored and I simply continue typing. Which means that, to type a
word,"Enter" must be hit after each letter is typed.

Of course, the field works as expected if "word prediction" is turned
off in the settings. But that's not a solution.

I tried the Android Release Notes, but couldn't find anything related
to this problem.

Advice please?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto

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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 01:24:48 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:24:48 +0900
Subject: Android field and word prediction
In-Reply-To: <05ec8aec-735b-40b4-8806-6c36670c5d28@blur>
References: <CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<05ec8aec-735b-40b4-8806-6c36670c5d28@blur>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmoa99pGKoE3yj_AE5SgEMeqX_S2g_CUKwUgWY=21MssQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ralph,

LC = 5.5.1-dp1
HTC Evo phone = Android 2.3.4
AVD Manager setting for that HTC = Android 2.3.3 Api Level 10
LC standalone minimum OS setting =  tried both Android 2.2 and Android 2.3

Again, text field input works as expected. But not if "word
prediction" is turned on.

Cheers.
--
Nicolas Cueto



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Apr 19 09:01:48 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:01:48 +0200
Subject: Data persistence in iOS apps
Message-ID: <E05A19AF-14D8-46A0-AA03-CAD984BF471D@mac.com>

In LiveCode desktop apps, you can't put stuff in the mainstack of the app or its substacks and expect it to be there next time the program is run: there are often questions on this list about this kind of thing. The basic rule that prevents self-modifying programs in modern OSs means that the mainstack is essentially read-only, so saving of the main stack and its whole data tree is not allowed: the traditional solution is "put your data into a different stack which you open at the start of the program and save when it quits" (the Splash Screen method).

Now, what about iOS? As far as I understand the iOS app concept (which is not very well), the whole thing runs in the app's sandbox, and when the program quits or is suspended (same thing, in effect), the entire state of the app is recorded. If this is true, then you might think that when an app creates new cards in its main stack, then those cards will still be there when you restart the program. My experiments show that they aren't - this is not unexpected exactly, but it raises the question: what is kept in the sandbox - is it only stuff that has been deliberately saved in the 'documents' folder or whatever? Or is some other status information stored by the system and if so what? Can I know for example how many times my app has been launched on this device? I expect there is something about this deep in the XCode docs but I have not found it. Does anyone know?

Graham



From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Apr 19 09:32:52 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:32:52 -0400
Subject: Data persistence in iOS apps
In-Reply-To: <E05A19AF-14D8-46A0-AA03-CAD984BF471D@mac.com>
References: <E05A19AF-14D8-46A0-AA03-CAD984BF471D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <88C1CC48-2BEC-4195-8397-4AFF57482AB2@verizon.net>

With iOS you have to save a copy of the stack into the documents folder, and then jump into that stack. Then changes can be saved.



From littlejamesw at mac.com  Thu Apr 19 12:18:32 2012
From: littlejamesw at mac.com (Jim Little)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:18:32 -0700
Subject: (OT)  Our 1st App:  Flat Out Fitness
Message-ID: <83079A8C-86C4-42AF-978A-4F83BFD94919@mac.com>

HI All,

Our first app was released on the App Store today.  It was made with LiveCode and is an exercise timer for High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT).  Go to our website to learn more about this type of exercise:

http://flatoutfitness.com

The full version costs $0.99.  The lite version (Flat Out Lite) is free but has limited functionality.   

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flat-out-fitness/id503962257?ls=1&mt=8 


We have some free promo codes.  If you're interested, please e-mail us at   help at flatoutfitness.com 
Please send us any suggestions.

Thanks to this list and the wider LiveCode community for assistance along the way.

Regards,

Todd & Jim Little 


  


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Apr 19 13:09:33 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:09:33 -0400
Subject: Can't Download Server Engine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <254289F7-2B7A-49C1-AFB3-D44DF7E9DDAC@videotron.ca>

Thank you, Mike.


On Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:04:17 -0600
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't Download Server Engine
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAG1cpSoLgJckaDu0X2R6TYKnpHn7KYh6Qiy5WGcSBP0ONj4iUw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> You are using 'server' as the username right? (lowercase) 



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Apr 19 13:14:27 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:14:27 +0200
Subject: Data persistence in iOS apps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DB888001-B766-4372-9461-AEB7BC426635@mac.com>

Colin, thanks

As I suspected: but when I put my data stack into the bundle via 'Copy Files' in the Standalone Settings, it doesn't go into Documents, does it? This copy is in effect just as read-only as the Splash stack. I guess I have to do something like:

- check if the data stack is in the documents folder (i.e. has it ever been saved?)

- if not, save it immediately, before any activity in the app.

Thereafter one can update it as appropriate (at quit, or every time it changes - not sure which is the best policy).

Graham

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:32:52 -0400,  Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> With iOS you have to save a copy of the stack into the documents folder, and then jump into that stack. Then changes can be saved.



From irog at mac.com  Thu Apr 19 13:24:59 2012
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:24:59 -0700
Subject: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334336401.1826.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334336401.1826.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>

Hi All,

RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have to go to my downloads page to get it:

						http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html

Or email me and I will send one to you.

Cheers,
Roger



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 14:01:42 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:01:42 +0300
Subject: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334336401.1826.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F905306.2070207@gmail.com>

On 04/19/2012 08:24 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have to go to my downloads page to get it:
>
> 						http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html
>
> Or email me and I will send one to you.

Thank you very much indeed. And, I must say, I think
your background image is lovely.

>
> Cheers,
> Roger
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 14:08:54 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:08:54 +0300
Subject: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334336401.1826.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F9054B6.1000507@gmail.com>

On 04/19/2012 08:24 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have to go to my downloads page to get it:
>
> 						http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html
>
> Or email me and I will send one to you.

Would you like me to make Linux standalones and send them over to you to 
have on your website?

>
> Cheers,
> Roger
>
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From jiml at netrin.com  Thu Apr 19 14:50:54 2012
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:50:54 -0700
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1E57C66A-AAA6-4403-90CA-927294C2E681@netrin.com>

Charles wrote:

> TestFlight looks interesting... how does one use it with LC?

The same as you would use it with apps written in xCode - for gathering testers'' UDIDs and distributing of builds to those testers.
It allows testers to provide feedback too.

JimL

From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Apr 19 15:53:54 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:53:54 -0400
Subject: Android field and word prediction
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmoa99pGKoE3yj_AE5SgEMeqX_S2g_CUKwUgWY=21MssQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<05ec8aec-735b-40b4-8806-6c36670c5d28@blur>
	<CAGeTkxmoa99pGKoE3yj_AE5SgEMeqX_S2g_CUKwUgWY=21MssQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008501cd1e66$27074de0$7515e9a0$@net>

Nicolas,


I submitted this as Bug Report #10184. I also attached a sample stack.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cueto
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:25 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Android field and word prediction

Ralph,

LC = 5.5.1-dp1
HTC Evo phone = Android 2.3.4
AVD Manager setting for that HTC = Android 2.3.3 Api Level 10 LC standalone
minimum OS setting =  tried both Android 2.2 and Android 2.3

Again, text field input works as expected. But not if "word prediction" is
turned on.

Cheers.
--
Nicolas Cueto

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 19 16:36:11 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:36:11 -0500
Subject: Data persistence in iOS apps
In-Reply-To: <DB888001-B766-4372-9461-AEB7BC426635@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DB888001-B766-4372-9461-AEB7BC426635@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F90773B.8000804@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/19/12 12:14 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>
> As I suspected: but when I put my data stack into the bundle via
> 'Copy Files' in the Standalone Settings, it doesn't go into
> Documents, does it? This copy is in effect just as read-only as the
> Splash stack.

Right, the whole engine folder is read-only. The "copy files" pane in 
the standalone builder puts files into the engine folder.

> I guess I have to do something like:
>
> - check if the data stack is in the documents folder (i.e. has it
> ever been saved?)
>
> - if not, save it immediately, before any activity in the app.
>
> Thereafter one can update it as appropriate (at quit, or every time
> it changes - not sure which is the best policy).

I usually update on quit (shutdown) but I don't think it matters which 
you choose.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 16:46:30 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:46:30 +0900
Subject: Android field and word prediction
In-Reply-To: <008501cd1e66$27074de0$7515e9a0$@net>
References: <CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<05ec8aec-735b-40b4-8806-6c36670c5d28@blur>
	<CAGeTkxmoa99pGKoE3yj_AE5SgEMeqX_S2g_CUKwUgWY=21MssQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<008501cd1e66$27074de0$7515e9a0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxk=Ymo_9RjfFKchja9nLvSBNxZi3-yQG2gdfjmO7-ggOw@mail.gmail.com>

> I submitted this as Bug Report #10184. I also attached a sample stack.

Thanks, Ralph.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Apr 19 16:47:11 2012
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:47:11 -0700
Subject: Data persistence in iOS apps
In-Reply-To: <4F90773B.8000804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DB888001-B766-4372-9461-AEB7BC426635@mac.com>
	<4F90773B.8000804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F13C2EC-3A67-4EFB-97C7-09C670E09B73@jhj.com>

On Apr 19, 2012, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/19/12 12:14 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> 
>> Thereafter one can update it as appropriate (at quit, or every time
>> it changes - not sure which is the best policy).
> 
> I usually update on quit (shutdown) but I don't think it matters which you choose.

It matters if it crashes or the power fails. Unless I'm in a hurry, I tend to save after every change. Maybe this isn't as much of a consideration in a handheld, but I have unattended systems out in the field taking data.

Onward,
Jerry




From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Apr 19 22:25:32 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:25:32 -0400
Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?=5BOT-ish=5D_an_app_I_made=85?=
Message-ID: <2258A954-F059-4B6E-83EC-D05885FB2171@verizon.net>

I'm a big proponent of using the best tool for the job. That clashes somewhat with client requirements, they like to use the product that leads to the least amount of effort for the end user. In my day job that means that a lot of what I do is Flash stuff for web sites. Flash still isn't the best tool for some of what I do, I'd quite like to use Director more, and even Unity.

When it comes to mobile apps you can really use any tool you like, and that's a huge area for LiveCode to be used for. I'm even writing a book on using LiveCode for making mobile apps! However, LiveCode can't do everything, yet, and I was approached to make an app in LiveCode, that had features not well suited to it. I gather that other LiveCode experts were consulted, and they too thought that some of the features would be impossible to do in LiveCode.

So, using some of my daytime skills I made the app as a Flash app. It's live in the iOS App Store and the Amazon stores (including for Kindle Fire). It's not quite live in the Google Play store, they have a weird submission process that has caused delays. It'll be there one of these days.

The app is targeted at Education, with the ideal user being a youngster who wants to be entertained as they learn to read. It has a prominent placing in the Amazon store, in the education section at least, and it has a 5 start rating so far in the iOS store. Here are a couple of links:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/hi/2478842011?tag=peogeousd-20

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/meet-heckerty/id514220257?mt=8

When it's in the Google Play store I'll post a link.



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Apr 19 23:19:31 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:19:31 -0700
Subject: Position of a tab in a tab control.
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMBLrGK=Bm9Wy-SB3_+tPtanMZvQ7M24b-624Q3nU4X2w@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to get hold of the coordinates of the label of the currently
selected tab of a tab control?

I have a control that I want to position immediately below the label of the
current tab of a tab control.  I tried doing this by trial and error,
adding a number of pixels to the left of the control to position it
correctly.  This was all on a Mac and as soon as I tried it on a Windows
machine, the control is not positioned correctly, and I suspect it would be
affected by different screen resolutions also.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From barrysum at bigpond.net.au  Fri Apr 20 02:50:56 2012
From: barrysum at bigpond.net.au (Barry G. Sumpter)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:50:56 +1000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 103, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd1ec1$f02d1460$d0873d20$@bigpond.net.au>


Hi Gregory,

I've just spend a few weeks setting up LiveCode server on win32 under IIS
5.1.
And pretty much had to start from scratch to get LiveCode Server up n
running.

If you haven't already stepped thru this how to (don't just read thru it.
Do it.  And verify each step) :
How-do-I-install-LiveCode-Server-on-OS-X-with-Apache-
http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4070/l/36653-How-do-I-install-LiveCode
-Server-on-OS-X-with-Apache-

Have you had apache working before?
If not, get Apache working first.

Then modify the hello world scripts that are working on Apache.
By placing your test script line in it.
And renaming it to .lc
And test again.

HTH


-----Original Message-----
Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:47:32 -0400
From: Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
To: LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
Message-ID: <1A33D6B4-AB85-4CC1-A8C7-E5CE7C30A99E at videotron.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello everyone,

I must have missed something because I can't get the server engine to work
on my Mac.  Here's what I did.

1.  I placed the livecode-server executable and the drivers and externals
folder into /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/ 

2.  I added these two lines

	AddHandler livecode-script .lc
	Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server

at the end of the <Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents"> section of
httpd.conf

3.  I restarted Apache by toggling the web sharing checkbox in system
preferences

To test the server, I created a page in iWeb and added an HTML snippet
containing

	<p> The internet date is <?rev put the internet date ?></p>

Nothing from the snippet appears on the page.  What am I doing wrong?

Gregory






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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:33:36 -0500
From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Help understanding iOS deployment
Message-ID: <A95FF166-1D17-4798-9718-FDEEC765667B at sonsothunder.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252

> Right. Every testing device has to be entered in the portal. Then you
either make new development provisioning profiles (which will include their
devices) or you can refresh your existing profile via XCode. Once the
profile has been updated to include the new devices, rebuild the standalone
with the new profile.

This is a critical piece that many miss? if you had a standalone that was
sent to two people and worked and you then went and added a third person
(device) to the portal, you can't just send the same standalone to the third
person? you have to *rebuild the standalone* with the new profile in order
for the third person to be able to use your standalone.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:38:55 -0700
From: Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Help understanding iOS deployment
Message-ID: <A7497F0D-F95F-4E83-80DB-6C62363A0185 at netrin.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Graham,

TestFlight is a helpful friend for management of devices & smaller scale
distribution outside of the App Store.

http://www.testflightapp.com


Jim Lambert


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:13:43 -0500
From: Charles E Buchwald <charles at buchwald.ca>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Help understanding iOS deployment
Message-ID: <344088A8-B8D2-4A02-8CAE-68A91AD5A717 at buchwald.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252

Hi Jim,

TestFlight looks interesting... how does one use it with LC?

- Charles

On 2012-04-18, at 3:38 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:

> Graham,
> 
> TestFlight is a helpful friend for management of devices & smaller scale
distribution outside of the App Store.
> 
> http://www.testflightapp.com
> 
> 
> Jim Lambert
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:51:17 -0500
From: Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Interesting breach of iOS terms or something for LC
	users?
Message-ID:
	<CAEC4YhPnFtqOCJrh5LgMC+86-_Lz4cxwEtEgwwYa2PxyiuW1NA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm not sure I agree. AppGyver (AG) has many of the same api hooks to iOS
as LC. So, in theory, one could just as easily abuse those privileges in an
AG player as a LC player.

For instance, say you write an AG file (html/jscript) to access the native
features of iOS like the contacts list, and copy them all and transport
them somewhere over the Internet. That does something significantly
*different* than what Safari can do. And, in my mind, it represents just as
much a security risk as what you can do with LC.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just like PhoneGap, AppGyver is basically a locally functioning website
> and does nothing that Safari can't do. If Apple has already approved the
> engine, then Apple might tolerate the preview app. This doesn't pave the
> way for RunRev to do something similar.
>
>


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:25:30 +0900
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: LiveCode - general LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Android field and word prediction
Message-ID:
	<CAGeTkxk-hLsULfpoQSmdDMgidVfAM-ia3SuopgeqQX3z_-0x9Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello All,

When typing in my Android app within a simple text-field object and
with the "word prediction" setting checked on, clicking on any one of
the suggested words results in only the first letter of that word
appearing in the text field. Same thing happens if the suggested words
are ignored and I simply continue typing. Which means that, to type a
word,"Enter" must be hit after each letter is typed.

Of course, the field works as expected if "word prediction" is turned
off in the settings. But that's not a solution.

I tried the Android Release Notes, but couldn't find anything related
to this problem.

Advice please?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:05:15 -0400
From: "Ralph DiMola"<rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
To: "How to use LiveCode"<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>,
	rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
Subject: Re: Android field and word prediction
Message-ID: <05ec8aec-735b-40b4-8806-6c36670c5d28 at blur>
Content-Type: text/plain; Format="Flowed"; DelSp="Yes";
	charset="US-ASCII"

Nicolas,

I have been testing with froyo and text field input  works as expected. When

I tested on a gingerbread tablet today I saw the same thing. What version of

LC and Android are you running?

Ralph DiMola
MIS Director 
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original message-----
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: LiveCode - general LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 04:25:30 GMT+00:00
Subject: Android field and word prediction

Hello All,

When typing in my Android app within a simple text-field object and
with the "word prediction" setting checked on, clicking on any one of
the suggested words results in only the first letter of that word
appearing in the text field. Same thing happens if the suggested words
are ignored and I simply continue typing. Which means that, to type a
word,"Enter" must be hit after each letter is typed.

Of course, the field works as expected if "word prediction" is turned
off in the settings. But that's not a solution.

I tried the Android Release Notes, but couldn't find anything related
to this problem.

Advice please?

Thanks.

--
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:24:48 +0900
From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Android field and word prediction
Message-ID:
	<CAGeTkxmoa99pGKoE3yj_AE5SgEMeqX_S2g_CUKwUgWY=21MssQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Ralph,

LC = 5.5.1-dp1
HTC Evo phone = Android 2.3.4
AVD Manager setting for that HTC = Android 2.3.3 Api Level 10
LC standalone minimum OS setting =  tried both Android 2.2 and Android 2.3

Again, text field input works as expected. But not if "word
prediction" is turned on.

Cheers.
--
Nicolas Cueto



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:01:48 +0200
From: Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Data persistence in iOS apps
Message-ID: <E05A19AF-14D8-46A0-AA03-CAD984BF471D at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

In LiveCode desktop apps, you can't put stuff in the mainstack of the app or
its substacks and expect it to be there next time the program is run: there
are often questions on this list about this kind of thing. The basic rule
that prevents self-modifying programs in modern OSs means that the mainstack
is essentially read-only, so saving of the main stack and its whole data
tree is not allowed: the traditional solution is "put your data into a
different stack which you open at the start of the program and save when it
quits" (the Splash Screen method).

Now, what about iOS? As far as I understand the iOS app concept (which is
not very well), the whole thing runs in the app's sandbox, and when the
program quits or is suspended (same thing, in effect), the entire state of
the app is recorded. If this is true, then you might think that when an app
creates new cards in its main stack, then those cards will still be there
when you restart the program. My experiments show that they aren't - this is
not unexpected exactly, but it raises the question: what is kept in the
sandbox - is it only stuff that has been deliberately saved in the
'documents' folder or whatever? Or is some other status information stored
by the system and if so what? Can I know for example how many times my app
has been launched on this device? I expect there is something about this
deep in the XCode docs but I have not found it. Does anyone know?

Graham



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:32:52 -0400
From: Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Data persistence in iOS apps
Message-ID: <88C1CC48-2BEC-4195-8397-4AFF57482AB2 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

With iOS you have to save a copy of the stack into the documents folder, and
then jump into that stack. Then changes can be saved.



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:18:32 -0700
From: Jim Little <littlejamesw at mac.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: (OT)  Our 1st App:  Flat Out Fitness
Message-ID: <83079A8C-86C4-42AF-978A-4F83BFD94919 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

HI All,

Our first app was released on the App Store today.  It was made with
LiveCode and is an exercise timer for High Intensity Interval Training
(HIIT).  Go to our website to learn more about this type of exercise:

http://flatoutfitness.com

The full version costs $0.99.  The lite version (Flat Out Lite) is free but
has limited functionality.   

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flat-out-fitness/id503962257?ls=1&mt=8 


We have some free promo codes.  If you're interested, please e-mail us at
help at flatoutfitness.com 
Please send us any suggestions.

Thanks to this list and the wider LiveCode community for assistance along
the way.

Regards,

Todd & Jim Little 


  


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From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Fri Apr 20 04:15:37 2012
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:15:37 +0200
Subject: openStack called from subStack - why ?
Message-ID: <0915CDD7-186C-405F-BFAE-F16DE3CD328E@id.uzh.ch>

After years of coding, today I discovered for the first time while debugging
that an openStack handler in a mainStack gets also called when a subStack
of it is opened !

I put this into the stackScript of the MainStack:

global varMainStackName
on openStack
   put the short name of this stack into varMainStackName
end openStack

In a button I display the variable varMainStackName:

global varMainStackName
on mouseUp
   answer varMainStackName
end mouseUp

When I now add a substack also containing the display button
it contains the name of the substack and not the name of
the mainStack !

I found in the docs that if I put the script onto the first card of
the mainStack instead of into the stackScript, it all works as expected !

But why ?
This confuses me totally !

I always had the (wrong!) impression that every openStack handler is
only called once, and also that it belongs to the stack containing it.

Can someone explain why this is not so !

Cheers
Rolf



From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Fri Apr 20 04:27:54 2012
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:27:54 +0200
Subject: openStack called from subStack - why ?
In-Reply-To: <0915CDD7-186C-405F-BFAE-F16DE3CD328E@id.uzh.ch>
References: <0915CDD7-186C-405F-BFAE-F16DE3CD328E@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <22F8978D-024F-4790-B3CD-B5FEE99F5C62@unil.ch>

Hi Rolf,
Seems straightforward for me: every message handler in the main stack's script is available to every substack and their cards? that's the ground of the message path!
Jacques

Le 20 avr. 2012 ? 10:15, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit :

> After years of coding, today I discovered for the first time while debugging
> that an openStack handler in a mainStack gets also called when a subStack
> of it is opened !
> 
> I put this into the stackScript of the MainStack:
> 
> global varMainStackName
> on openStack
>   put the short name of this stack into varMainStackName
> end openStack
> 
> In a button I display the variable varMainStackName:
> 
> global varMainStackName
> on mouseUp
>   answer varMainStackName
> end mouseUp
> 
> When I now add a substack also containing the display button
> it contains the name of the substack and not the name of
> the mainStack !
> 
> I found in the docs that if I put the script onto the first card of
> the mainStack instead of into the stackScript, it all works as expected !
> 
> But why ?
> This confuses me totally !
> 
> I always had the (wrong!) impression that every openStack handler is
> only called once, and also that it belongs to the stack containing it.
> 
> Can someone explain why this is not so !
> 
> Cheers
> Rolf
> 
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From lc at pbh.on-rev.com  Fri Apr 20 05:35:05 2012
From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:35:05 +0100
Subject: Position of a tab in a tab control.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMBLrGK=Bm9Wy-SB3_+tPtanMZvQ7M24b-624Q3nU4X2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMBLrGK=Bm9Wy-SB3_+tPtanMZvQ7M24b-624Q3nU4X2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6386C08F-86FE-431D-B223-15B7603287AE@pbh.on-rev.com>

Pete,

I may be wrong, but I don't think there's a way to control the differences between the two platforms without rolling your own tab control.

However, Mark Schonewille has done much of the work and made his custom tab control available through RevOnline, just search for "custom tab" and you should find it, or the web hosted version is here?

http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/258/Custom-Tab-Button

You should be able to adapt it (or copy the principles) to suit your needs.

Paul

On 20 Apr 2012, at 04:19, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Is there a way to get hold of the coordinates of the label of the currently
> selected tab of a tab control?
> 
> I have a control that I want to position immediately below the label of the
> current tab of a tab control.  I tried doing this by trial and error,
> adding a number of pixels to the left of the control to position it
> correctly.  This was all on a Mac and as soon as I tried it on a Windows
> machine, the control is not positioned correctly, and I suspect it would be
> affected by different screen resolutions also.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 06:13:14 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 04:13:14 -0600
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <1A33D6B4-AB85-4CC1-A8C7-E5CE7C30A99E@videotron.ca>
References: <1A33D6B4-AB85-4CC1-A8C7-E5CE7C30A99E@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpSGtSQ1xNciYLEeiOym1PpFKks8C1VDU6N8s_uahoOGw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, there should be a line to set the options for that directory, might
make sure that ExecCGI is there in the conf file.

Also, while not sure how likely this is, when you go looking for the right
set of conf files to modify, make sure that you don't have both /etc/httpd
folder and /etc/apache2  If you have both, the most likely location that
you should be modifying is the /etc/apache2 stuff. Also again if you have
both there is a chance that the set up of the files is a bit different in
that you won't modify the httpd.conf itself (though I think this can be
made to work) but instead there are a couple of folders for 'sites' (one
contains symlinks of the files of the other. Any file that has a symlink is
an active 'site' for your server)

Let me know if this is the case for you and i'll see if I can dig up my
info on setting up LC with the alternative structure.  I know its around
here somewhere.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at  12:47 PM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca
> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I must have missed something because I can't get the server engine to work
> on my Mac.  Here's what I did.
>
> 1.  I placed the livecode-server executable and the drivers and externals
> folder into /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/
>
> 2.  I added these two lines
>
>        AddHandler livecode-script .lc
>        Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server
>
> at the end of the <Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents"> section of
> httpd.conf
>
> 3.  I restarted Apache by toggling the web sharing checkbox in system
> preferences
>
> To test the server, I created a page in iWeb and added an HTML snippet
> containing
>
>        <p> The internet date is <?rev put the internet date ?></p>
>
> Nothing from the snippet appears on the page.  What am I doing wrong?
>
> Gregory
>
>
>
>
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From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Apr 20 07:00:09 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:00:09 -0400
Subject: Can Rev do this?
Message-ID: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>

I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?

Sent from my iPad



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Apr 20 07:15:27 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:15:27 +0200
Subject: Copying formatted text from a field to Pages
In-Reply-To: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
References: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
Message-ID: <66B4ACC4-4A26-4DC4-A932-F9C508CD17A9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi iPad :-)

Have you made sure that the field font is not Time New Roman and have you used the syntax

set char 1 to -1 of fld x to "Times New Roman"

? How do you copy? You might want to use

set the clipboarddata["rtf"] to the rtfText of fld x

or maybe

set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmlText of fld x

instead of using the text property of the field or even selecting the text and using the copy command (although the latter might work). Does it work if you copy manually?

There might be some AppleScript commands that make Pages paste formatted text. I don't uses Pages, but if there is a menu item "Paste Formatted Text" (or similar) then you might also use GUI scripting.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 20 apr 2012, at 13:00, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?
> 
> Sent from my iPad




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 07:38:58 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:38:58 +0300
Subject: Can Rev do this?
In-Reply-To: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
References: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F914AD2.6090608@gmail.com>

On 04/20/2012 02:00 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:
> I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?

My experience on Mac and Linux is that pasted text does not take its 
font attributes with it.

>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 07:41:50 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:41:50 +0300
Subject: Copying formatted text from a field to Pages
In-Reply-To: <66B4ACC4-4A26-4DC4-A932-F9C508CD17A9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
	<66B4ACC4-4A26-4DC4-A932-F9C508CD17A9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F914B7E.7070709@gmail.com>

On 04/20/2012 02:15 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi iPad :-)
>
> Have you made sure that the field font is not Time New Roman and have you used the syntax
>
> set char 1 to -1 of fld x to "Times New Roman"
>
> ? How do you copy? You might want to use
>
> set the clipboarddata["rtf"] to the rtfText of fld x
>
> or maybe
>
> set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmlText of fld x

Oooo! Thanks so much; nice to be wrong sometimes.

>
> instead of using the text property of the field or even selecting the text and using the copy command (although the latter might work). Does it work if you copy manually?
>
> There might be some AppleScript commands that make Pages paste formatted text. I don't uses Pages, but if there is a menu item "Paste Formatted Text" (or similar) then you might also use GUI scripting.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6
>
> On 20 apr 2012, at 13:00, Charles Szasz wrote:
>
>> I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri Apr 20 07:48:08 2012
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:48:08 -0400
Subject: Can Rev do this?
In-Reply-To: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
References: <CC0FF3DD-55CA-497A-8E6A-0CD768618651@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E8AFAF9E-5B6E-4AB7-949F-07338D5E8BFC@all-auctions.com>

Hi Charles,

You may be able to write an applescript which will tell "Pages"
what to set the font to, and then do your paste.

Good luck!

Rick

On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 




From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Fri Apr 20 08:04:35 2012
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:04:35 +0200
Subject: openStack called from subStack - why ?
Message-ID: <9970F6E3-450C-4DBE-97DE-F21F69884EFA@id.uzh.ch>

Hello Jacques

Thanks for your answer - but?.

I know about the message path and that handlers in the main stack can be used by
all of it's substacks, I used this feature myself for many years !

What puzzles me is that an openStack handler in the mainStack gets executed when
a substack (containing NO CODE at all) is opened ?

Till today I was thinking openStack handlers are a per stack thing only.

I am still confused abut this :-)

Cheers
Rolf


> Hi Rolf,
> Seems straightforward for me: every message handler in the main stack's script is available to every substack and their cards? that's the ground of the message path!
> Jacques
> 
> Le 20 avr. 2012 ? 10:15, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit :
> 
>> After years of coding, today I discovered for the first time while debugging
>> that an openStack handler in a mainStack gets also called when a subStack
>> of it is opened !
>> 
>> I put this into the stackScript of the MainStack:
>> 
>> global varMainStackName
>> on openStack
>>  put the short name of this stack into varMainStackName
>> end openStack
>> 
>> In a button I display the variable varMainStackName:
>> 
>> global varMainStackName
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer varMainStackName
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> When I now add a substack also containing the display button
>> it contains the name of the substack and not the name of
>> the mainStack !
>> 
>> I found in the docs that if I put the script onto the first card of
>> the mainStack instead of into the stackScript, it all works as expected !
>> 
>> But why ?
>> This confuses me totally !
>> 
>> I always had the (wrong!) impression that every openStack handler is
>> only called once, and also that it belongs to the stack containing it.
>> 
>> Can someone explain why this is not so !
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Rolf



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Apr 20 08:31:09 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:31:09 +0200
Subject: openStack called from subStack - why ?
In-Reply-To: <9970F6E3-450C-4DBE-97DE-F21F69884EFA@id.uzh.ch>
References: <9970F6E3-450C-4DBE-97DE-F21F69884EFA@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <497D8B7F-D64F-4873-8BC3-9EE65D720B53@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Rolf,

Am 20.04.2012 um 14:04 schrieb Rolf Kocherhans:

> Hello Jacques
> 
> Thanks for your answer - but?.
> 
> I know about the message path and that handlers in the main stack can be used by
> all of it's substacks, I used this feature myself for many years !
> 
> What puzzles me is that an openStack handler in the mainStack gets executed when
> a substack (containing NO CODE at all) is opened ?
> 
> Till today I was thinking openStack handlers are a per stack thing only.

Nope, that's what the message hierarchy is all about! :-)

> I am still confused abut this :-)

If your substack(s) does not have a "pre-/openstack" (etc.) handler but its MAINSTACK does,
then the mainstacks scripts will be executed!

There are several ways to prevent this:
1. Put the (stack scpecific) "pre-/openstack" handler(s) into the script of card 1 of your stack,
it will be executed, but only for htat namely stack.

2. Add a "dummy" script in the substack(s):

on openstack
  ## Nada :-)
end openstack

Dito for PREOPENSTACK if neccessary...

> Cheers
> Rolf

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Apr 20 08:50:49 2012
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:50:49 +0200
Subject: AW: openStack called from subStack - why ?
In-Reply-To: <497D8B7F-D64F-4873-8BC3-9EE65D720B53@major.on-rev.com>
References: <9970F6E3-450C-4DBE-97DE-F21F69884EFA@id.uzh.ch>
	<497D8B7F-D64F-4873-8BC3-9EE65D720B53@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <007301cd1ef4$372d1f90$a5875eb0$@de>

> 
> 2. Add a "dummy" script in the substack(s):
> 
> on openstack
>   ## Nada :-)
> end openstack
> 

And don't put "pass openstack" at the end of this dummy, as you usually
should do ... :)

Tiemo

> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Apr 20 09:13:56 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:13:56 -0400
Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BOT-ish=5D_an_app_I_made=85?=
In-Reply-To: <2258A954-F059-4B6E-83EC-D05885FB2171@verizon.net>
References: <2258A954-F059-4B6E-83EC-D05885FB2171@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <9E7EE8E8-62D5-490D-9299-AAFD3C7279FE@mac.com>

Colin,

Congratulations on the release. I would love to see the list of features that were 'not' suited well for LiveCode.

Thanks


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I'm a big proponent of using the best tool for the job. That clashes somewhat with client requirements, they like to use the product that leads to the least amount of effort for the end user. In my day job that means that a lot of what I do is Flash stuff for web sites. Flash still isn't the best tool for some of what I do, I'd quite like to use Director more, and even Unity.
> 
> When it comes to mobile apps you can really use any tool you like, and that's a huge area for LiveCode to be used for. I'm even writing a book on using LiveCode for making mobile apps! However, LiveCode can't do everything, yet, and I was approached to make an app in LiveCode, that had features not well suited to it. I gather that other LiveCode experts were consulted, and they too thought that some of the features would be impossible to do in LiveCode.
> 
> So, using some of my daytime skills I made the app as a Flash app. It's live in the iOS App Store and the Amazon stores (including for Kindle Fire). It's not quite live in the Google Play store, they have a weird submission process that has caused delays. It'll be there one of these days.
> 
> The app is targeted at Education, with the ideal user being a youngster who wants to be entertained as they learn to read. It has a prominent placing in the Amazon store, in the education section at least, and it has a 5 start rating so far in the iOS store. Here are a couple of links:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/hi/2478842011?tag=peogeousd-20
> 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/meet-heckerty/id514220257?mt=8
> 
> When it's in the Google Play store I'll post a link.
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Apr 20 10:00:20 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:00:20 +0200
Subject: [ANN] iOS GUI Elements 1.3 for LiveCode
Message-ID: <AD7A8E04-F028-4842-A5CC-DAF87943A381@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi guys,

I have updated the iOS GUI Elements for LiveCode. A resizeTabBar handler has been added, to automatically resize the Tab Bar at the bottom of the page. The Search Table View now accommodates for the keyboard on both iPhone and iPad by itself when you resize your stack and two new keyboardActivated and keyboardDeactivated handlers trigger the Search Table View to resize itself when needed. I have also been testing the elements on iPad and all seems to work fine. The documentation includes a few hints about resizing for different screen resolutions.

The GUI Elements for LiveCode can be downloaded at http://qery.us/13b after making a donation. If you have donated in the past, then you can freely download everything from the private section of Economy-x-Talk's website. Although the GUI collection is provided "as is", comments and bug reports are highly appreciated.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 10:28:16 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:28:16 -0400
Subject: openStack called from subStack - why ?
In-Reply-To: <22F8978D-024F-4790-B3CD-B5FEE99F5C62@unil.ch>
References: <0915CDD7-186C-405F-BFAE-F16DE3CD328E@id.uzh.ch>
	<22F8978D-024F-4790-B3CD-B5FEE99F5C62@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <AAE403EA-50A4-4D37-AC11-E072A6558D9B@gmail.com>

More specifically: close a stack, and the "closeStack" message is sent first to the current card of the closing stack. When you close a substack, if there is no closestack handler in the card script then the message is passed up the message path, and the next station on the path is the substack stack script. If there is a closestack handler there, it will get triggered. If not, it will be passed along, first to the mainstack stack script, then to any backscripts and stacksinuse, and if nothing handles it, the message goes to the engine and gets flushed. Putting a closestack handler for a mainstack into the card script is the easiest way to handle closestack routines when they are specific to closing the mainstack, since closestack messages sent up the message path don't go to the mainstack *card* script.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Apr 20, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Jacques Hausser wrote:

> Hi Rolf,
> Seems straightforward for me: every message handler in the main stack's script is available to every substack and their cards? that's the ground of the message path!
> Jacques
> 
> Le 20 avr. 2012 ? 10:15, Rolf Kocherhans a ?crit :
> 
>> After years of coding, today I discovered for the first time while debugging
>> that an openStack handler in a mainStack gets also called when a subStack
>> of it is opened !
>> 
>> I put this into the stackScript of the MainStack:
>> 
>> global varMainStackName
>> on openStack
>>  put the short name of this stack into varMainStackName
>> end openStack
>> 
>> In a button I display the variable varMainStackName:
>> 
>> global varMainStackName
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer varMainStackName
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> When I now add a substack also containing the display button
>> it contains the name of the substack and not the name of
>> the mainStack !
>> 
>> I found in the docs that if I put the script onto the first card of
>> the mainStack instead of into the stackScript, it all works as expected !
>> 
>> But why ?
>> This confuses me totally !
>> 
>> I always had the (wrong!) impression that every openStack handler is
>> only called once, and also that it belongs to the stack containing it.
>> 
>> Can someone explain why this is not so !
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Rolf
>> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Apr 20 10:51:28 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:51:28 -0400
Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BOT-ish=5D_an_app_I_made=85?=
In-Reply-To: <9E7EE8E8-62D5-490D-9299-AAFD3C7279FE@mac.com>
References: <2258A954-F059-4B6E-83EC-D05885FB2171@verizon.net>
	<9E7EE8E8-62D5-490D-9299-AAFD3C7279FE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <356FE967-92B6-43D5-BC3A-EA62D09CE9D4@verizon.net>

The screen recording on this page gives some idea:

http://www.heckerty.com/Heckerty/Heckerty.html

By using Flash I could do reveals and multiple transitions at the same time, synchronized to audio, and with lots of character animations buried away. All without any code.


On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

> >Congratulations on the release. I would love to see the list of features that were 'not' suited well for LiveCode.



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 11:14:11 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:14:11 -0400
Subject: Position of a tab in a tab control.
In-Reply-To: <6386C08F-86FE-431D-B223-15B7603287AE@pbh.on-rev.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMBLrGK=Bm9Wy-SB3_+tPtanMZvQ7M24b-624Q3nU4X2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6386C08F-86FE-431D-B223-15B7603287AE@pbh.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F8EDD41B-1081-4278-8FC2-53AA5E8D1C93@gmail.com>

If using Mark's custom tab control doesn't work for you, here's a kludgy work-around. It requires a hidden field "hiddenTestFld" with margins set to 6.

on positionControl btnName, tabNbr
   -- btnName is the name of your tab button
   put the formattedwidth of btn btnName into bWidth
   put the formattedheight of btn btnName into bHeight
   put item 1 of the loc of btn btnName into bCenter
   put bWidth div 2 into halfWidth
   put bCenter - halfWidth into bLeft
   put bCenter + halfWidth into bRight
   put the top of btn btnName into bTop
   set the textfont of fld "hiddenTestFld" to the textfont of btn btnName
   set the textsize of fld "hiddenTestFld" to the textsize of btn btnName
   put 0 into divisions
   repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines of btn btnName
      put line n of btn btnName into tabName
      put tabName into fld "hiddenTestFld"
      put (the formattedwidth of fld "hiddenTestFld") into tWidth
      put (item n of divisions) + tWidth into item n+1 of divisions
   end repeat
   put (item tabNbr of divisions) + bLeft into tabLeft
   put (item tabNbr+1 of divisions) + bLeft into tabRight
   put tabLeft + ((tabRight - tabLeft) div 2) into tabCenter
   set the loc of btn "floatingControl" to tabCenter,bHeight+24
end positionControl

The result in placing the control (in this case btn "floatingControl") below the correct tab is not quite exact, for reasons I haven't gotten to the bottom of, but you could fiddle with it a bit.

HTH,
-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote:

> Pete,
> 
> I may be wrong, but I don't think there's a way to control the differences between the two platforms without rolling your own tab control.
> 
> However, Mark Schonewille has done much of the work and made his custom tab control available through RevOnline, just search for "custom tab" and you should find it, or the web hosted version is here?
> 
> http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/258/Custom-Tab-Button
> 
> You should be able to adapt it (or copy the principles) to suit your needs.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 20 Apr 2012, at 04:19, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way to get hold of the coordinates of the label of the currently
>> selected tab of a tab control?
>> 
>> I have a control that I want to position immediately below the label of the
>> current tab of a tab control.  I tried doing this by trial and error,
>> adding a number of pixels to the left of the control to position it
>> correctly.  This was all on a Mac and as soon as I tried it on a Windows
>> machine, the control is not positioned correctly, and I suspect it would be
>> affected by different screen resolutions also.
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Apr 20 11:41:51 2012
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:41:51 -0400
Subject: Geometry Manager Problem
In-Reply-To: <4F68C99A.9040301@comcast.net>
References: <4F680280.1010402@comcast.net>
	<4F68C99A.9040301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ZPFi-_2YTExwhngYS68VS+_2T_Z15dK=H1BJhOxcRjctRtAw@mail.gmail.com>

I never use the geometry manager because I set my stacks so they can't be
resized. But I was getting errors in a simple handler like this:

two stacks. Stack 1 with button go card 1 of stack 2 then get a function
(which is in the background of stack 2). The function only worked when
stack 2 is already open to card 1 of stack 2. If stack 2 is on card 2 of
stack 2 and the button in stack 1 has to not only open stack 2 but also
open card 1 then the function was not called.

I did lots of debugging sessions. Looked for an open card handler. Made
sure they were all passed. Finally I got the debugger at my breakpoint (set
where the function was called) to inconsistently say a bunch of gobblygook,
numbers and such, which started with geometry manager (which I don't use).

So the solution was to wrap the code in the button on stack 1 in "lock
messages". So I learned that geometry manager causes problems. There is no
way to turn geometry manager off even if you don't use it but that a simple
"lock messages" on everything solves it. I am now tempted to madly put
"lock messages" everywhere.


From irog at mac.com  Fri Apr 20 12:02:43 2012
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:02:43 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BCED75C9-824B-4FCC-AC11-8BD98E8F8EA7@mac.com>

Thanks, for the generous offer Richmond. I can, of course, make the Linux standalone (albeit I can't test it), but of what use would a RadialDialOmatic standalone be? If your suggestion is to build the Linux standalones of my other offerings, then your offer is way too generous!!

BTW, the background image on my downloads page is one of the many lovely deep space Hubble images, but I can't remember which one.

									http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire/

Cheers,
Roger

On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:28 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:08:54 +0300
> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
> Message-ID: <4F9054B6.1000507 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> On 04/19/2012 08:24 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have to go to my downloads page to get it:
>> 
>> 						http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html
>> 
>> Or email me and I will send one to you.
> 
> Would you like me to make Linux standalones and send them over to you to 
> have on your website?




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 12:21:03 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:21:03 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <BCED75C9-824B-4FCC-AC11-8BD98E8F8EA7@mac.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<BCED75C9-824B-4FCC-AC11-8BD98E8F8EA7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F918CEF.7000708@gmail.com>

On 04/20/2012 07:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> Thanks, for the generous offer Richmond. I can, of course, make the Linux standalone (albeit I can't test it), but of what use would a RadialDialOmatic standalone be? If your suggestion is to build the Linux standalones of my other offerings, then your offer is way too generous!!

I am more than happy to run off standalones of your other stacks and try 
them out on Linux.

If you could give me somewhere to upload the finished products to 
............

>
> BTW, the background image on my downloads page is one of the many lovely deep space Hubble images, but I can't remember which one.
>
> 									http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire/
>
> Cheers,
> Roger
>
> On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:28 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:08:54 +0300
>> From: Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
>> Message-ID:<4F9054B6.1000507 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 04/19/2012 08:24 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have to go to my downloads page to get it:
>>>
>>> 						http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html
>>>
>>> Or email me and I will send one to you.
>> Would you like me to make Linux standalones and send them over to you to
>> have on your website?
>
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Apr 20 12:48:42 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:48:42 -0400
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <86475E8A-9C01-4FD6-B146-81506ECA0E9A@videotron.ca>

Much appreciated, Mike.  I will tinker with it this afternoon, and post what I find.

Gregory


On 2012-04-20, at 10:28 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 04:13:14 -0600
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAG1cpSpSGtSQ1xNciYLEeiOym1PpFKks8C1VDU6N8s_uahoOGw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hey, there should be a line to set the options for that directory, might
> make sure that ExecCGI is there in the conf file.
> 
> Also, while not sure how likely this is, when you go looking for the right
> set of conf files to modify, make sure that you don't have both /etc/httpd
> folder and /etc/apache2  If you have both, the most likely location that
> you should be modifying is the /etc/apache2 stuff. Also again if you have
> both there is a chance that the set up of the files is a bit different in
> that you won't modify the httpd.conf itself (though I think this can be
> made to work) but instead there are a couple of folders for 'sites' (one
> contains symlinks of the files of the other. Any file that has a symlink is
> an active 'site' for your server)
> 
> Let me know if this is the case for you and i'll see if I can dig up my
> info on setting up LC with the alternative structure.  I know its around
> here somewhere.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 20 12:49:34 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:49:34 -0500
Subject: Geometry Manager Problem
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZPFi-_2YTExwhngYS68VS+_2T_Z15dK=H1BJhOxcRjctRtAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F680280.1010402@comcast.net> <4F68C99A.9040301@comcast.net>
	<CA+ZPFi-_2YTExwhngYS68VS+_2T_Z15dK=H1BJhOxcRjctRtAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F91939E.8020309@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/20/12 10:41 AM, william humphrey wrote:
> I never use the geometry manager because I set my stacks so they can't be
> resized. But I was getting errors in a simple handler like this:
>
> two stacks. Stack 1 with button go card 1 of stack 2 then get a function
> (which is in the background of stack 2). The function only worked when
> stack 2 is already open to card 1 of stack 2. If stack 2 is on card 2 of
> stack 2 and the button in stack 1 has to not only open stack 2 but also
> open card 1 then the function was not called.

The geometry manager doesn't usually interfere with the message path. 
There may be something else going on. I've accidentally enabled geometry 
before but never had any problems with messaging.

>
> I did lots of debugging sessions. Looked for an open card handler. Made
> sure they were all passed. Finally I got the debugger at my breakpoint (set
> where the function was called) to inconsistently say a bunch of gobblygook,
> numbers and such, which started with geometry manager (which I don't use).

Did you try stepping into every handler, starting with the first button? 
That may show you where the problem is.

>
> So the solution was to wrap the code in the button on stack 1 in "lock
> messages". So I learned that geometry manager causes problems. There is no
> way to turn geometry manager off even if you don't use it but that a simple
> "lock messages" on everything solves it. I am now tempted to madly put
> "lock messages" everywhere.

You can remove geometry by turning on "LiveCode UI elements in lists" in 
the View menu, and opening the property inspector for the object. Look 
for a custom property set named "cRevGeometry" and delete the whole 
property set. There may be one in every object. Altuit had a neat 
utility that will remove them all easily, maybe Chipp can post a link.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Apr 20 13:16:17 2012
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:16:17 -0700
Subject: [OT-ish] an app I made?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E5FD41C5-1F33-4B53-81C0-3ED00D02A1CD@netrin.com>

Colin,

Congratulations!

Jim Lambert



From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Apr 20 13:39:52 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:39:52 +0200
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334854801.32028.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9A293FBA-0961-4D7E-AA8A-CCCBB5E1FB3E@mac.com>

Jim (and others who replied about using TestFlight) thanks very much. I am signing up to TestFlight and will do  my best to get into it as soon as possible.

Graham

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:38:55 -0700, Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:

> Graham,
> 
> TestFlight is a helpful friend for management of devices & smaller scale distribution outside of the App Store.
> 
> http://www.testflightapp.com
> 
> 
> Jim Lambert



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Apr 20 14:01:22 2012
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:01:22 -0400
Subject: Geometry Manager Problem
In-Reply-To: <4F91939E.8020309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F680280.1010402@comcast.net> <4F68C99A.9040301@comcast.net>
	<CA+ZPFi-_2YTExwhngYS68VS+_2T_Z15dK=H1BJhOxcRjctRtAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F91939E.8020309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+ZPFi_vq=mLZV6qxYOVP94Z3dCsRLraXp76r0sjmgpc1k=YUA@mail.gmail.com>

I hope Chipp posts that link. I will try a little more debugging to see
what message is causing the problem. I hate debugging.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 4/20/12 10:41 AM, william humphrey wrote:
>
>> I never use the geometry manager because I set my stacks so they can't be
>> resized. But I was getting errors in a simple handler like this:
>>
>> two stacks. Stack 1 with button go card 1 of stack 2 then get a function
>> (which is in the background of stack 2). The function only worked when
>> stack 2 is already open to card 1 of stack 2. If stack 2 is on card 2 of
>> stack 2 and the button in stack 1 has to not only open stack 2 but also
>> open card 1 then the function was not called.
>>
>
> The geometry manager doesn't usually interfere with the message path.
> There may be something else going on. I've accidentally enabled geometry
> before but never had any problems with messaging.
>
>
>
>> I did lots of debugging sessions. Looked for an open card handler. Made
>> sure they were all passed. Finally I got the debugger at my breakpoint
>> (set
>> where the function was called) to inconsistently say a bunch of
>> gobblygook,
>> numbers and such, which started with geometry manager (which I don't use).
>>
>
> Did you try stepping into every handler, starting with the first button?
> That may show you where the problem is.
>
>
>
>> So the solution was to wrap the code in the button on stack 1 in "lock
>> messages". So I learned that geometry manager causes problems. There is no
>> way to turn geometry manager off even if you don't use it but that a
>> simple
>> "lock messages" on everything solves it. I am now tempted to madly put
>> "lock messages" everywhere.
>>
>
> You can remove geometry by turning on "LiveCode UI elements in lists" in
> the View menu, and opening the property inspector for the object. Look for
> a custom property set named "cRevGeometry" and delete the whole property
> set. There may be one in every object. Altuit had a neat utility that will
> remove them all easily, maybe Chipp can post a link.
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Apr 20 16:45:03 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:45:03 -0400
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6C149A5B-1407-409C-AE26-21C3DDCCC488@videotron.ca>

Hi again Mike,

Thanks for the advice.  I was able to get the server working, at least partly.  I have the LiveCode executable in the CGI-Executables folder on my Mac.  I created the one-line script

	put the long date

in a file named longDate.lc, and placed it in the Sites folder of my user account.  I was able to run it by entering

	http://webSiteAddress/~user/longDate.lc

What does not work at the moment is calls to LiveCode from within a web page.  So,

	 <p>  <?lc  put the long date ?> <p/>

does nothing.  I'll keep tinkering.


Thanks again,

Gregory







From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 17:06:22 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:06:22 -0600
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <6C149A5B-1407-409C-AE26-21C3DDCCC488@videotron.ca>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<6C149A5B-1407-409C-AE26-21C3DDCCC488@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSonsgHNmazLZSBD9uPFURqA1Q4fM63w3G7qZfGAKdjQfQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you are indeed using a system that has its conf files for apache in
/etc/apache2 I think there is a site file in a sub folder there where you
can adjust things for the main server page.  Also I just remembered there
are some modules involved here. Inside /etc/apache2 there is a folder that
has available modules and another with active modules that - like the sites
folders- if there is a symlink to an available module, that particular
module is active.  I don't have access to a mac at the moment, but if I get
my linux box fired up i'll see if I can recall which  module I turned on to
get things working. Also, if you want index.lc to work as a default (like
index.html) in one of the files you can set up the directory indexing which
just specifies which files to load and in what order of precedence if no
file is specified in the URL.  Hopefully will have my system running by
this eve, if so i'll post more info about all this.

Also, worst case scenario you might be able to use .htaccess files to get
things working.  Not sure what is required to do that though so someone
else would need to chime in.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Gregory Lypny
<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>wrote:

> Hi again Mike,
>
> Thanks for the advice.  I was able to get the server working, at least
> partly.  I have the LiveCode executable in the CGI-Executables folder on my
> Mac.  I created the one-line script
>
>        put the long date
>
> in a file named longDate.lc, and placed it in the Sites folder of my user
> account.  I was able to run it by entering
>
>        http://webSiteAddress/~user/longDate.lc
>
> What does not work at the moment is calls to LiveCode from within a web
> page.  So,
>
>         <p>  <?lc  put the long date ?> <p/>
>
> does nothing.  I'll keep tinkering.
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Gregory
>
>
>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Apr 20 17:18:57 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:18:57 -0700
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSonsgHNmazLZSBD9uPFURqA1Q4fM63w3G7qZfGAKdjQfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<6C149A5B-1407-409C-AE26-21C3DDCCC488@videotron.ca>
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Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKgBhO+w7SBU1dikjGxEefVMXvr7VSNM5Tnn4uVQXzcvQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've found the .htaccess method is faster to test and make work, and
doesn't mess with the guts of Apache. I will post what worked for me at
dreamhost. The only downside is that one needs a cgi-bin folder and engine
for each domain.

On 20 April 2012 14:06, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you are indeed using a system that has its conf files for apache in
> /etc/apache2 I think there is a site file in a sub folder there where you
> can adjust things for the main server page.  Also I just remembered there
> are some modules involved here. Inside /etc/apache2 there is a folder that
> has available modules and another with active modules that - like the sites
> folders- if there is a symlink to an available module, that particular
> module is active.  I don't have access to a mac at the moment, but if I get
> my linux box fired up i'll see if I can recall which  module I turned on to
> get things working. Also, if you want index.lc to work as a default (like
> index.html) in one of the files you can set up the directory indexing which
> just specifies which files to load and in what order of precedence if no
> file is specified in the URL.  Hopefully will have my system running by
> this eve, if so i'll post more info about all this.
>
> Also, worst case scenario you might be able to use .htaccess files to get
> things working.  Not sure what is required to do that though so someone
> else would need to chime in.
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Gregory Lypny
> <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>wrote:
>
> > Hi again Mike,
> >
> > Thanks for the advice.  I was able to get the server working, at least
> > partly.  I have the LiveCode executable in the CGI-Executables folder on
> my
> > Mac.  I created the one-line script
> >
> >        put the long date
> >
> > in a file named longDate.lc, and placed it in the Sites folder of my user
> > account.  I was able to run it by entering
> >
> >        http://webSiteAddress/~user/longDate.lc
> >
> > What does not work at the moment is calls to LiveCode from within a web
> > page.  So,
> >
> >         <p>  <?lc  put the long date ?> <p/>
> >
> > does nothing.  I'll keep tinkering.
> >
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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San Francisco Ca. USA

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From irog at mac.com  Fri Apr 20 17:55:35 2012
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:55:35 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1334941202.8414.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1334941202.8414.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2885CE02-B59A-4527-A3F8-F7B4231284B1@mac.com>

 That is very gracious of you! I don't have a site available for you to upload to. Do you have DropBox? It's free, and it's cool!!

									https://www.dropbox.com

Thanks,
Roger


On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:21:03 +0300
> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Radial Dial Making Utility
> Message-ID: <4F918CEF.7000708 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> On 04/20/2012 07:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>> Thanks, for the generous offer Richmond. I can, of course, make the Linux standalone (albeit I can't test it), but of what use would a RadialDialOmatic standalone be? If your suggestion is to build the Linux standalones of my other offerings, then your offer is way too generous!!
> 
> I am more than happy to run off standalones of your other stacks and try 
> them out on Linux.
> 
> If you could give me somewhere to upload the finished products to 
> ............




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Apr 20 18:51:03 2012
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:51:03 +0100
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <6C149A5B-1407-409C-AE26-21C3DDCCC488@videotron.ca>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<6C149A5B-1407-409C-AE26-21C3DDCCC488@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4F91E857.5070300@tweedly.net>

This is probably a stupid question but ......

your page that includes "calls to Livecode from within a web page" - 
that is called something.lc, isn't it ?
It can't be called something.html and have the livecode calls work.

Sorry if that's off track,
-- Alex.

On 20/04/2012 21:45, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Hi again Mike,
>
> Thanks for the advice.  I was able to get the server working, at least partly.  I have the LiveCode executable in the CGI-Executables folder on my Mac.  I created the one-line script
>
> 	put the long date
>
> in a file named longDate.lc, and placed it in the Sites folder of my user account.  I was able to run it by entering
>
> 	http://webSiteAddress/~user/longDate.lc
>
> What does not work at the moment is calls to LiveCode from within a web page.  So,
>
> 	<p>   <?lc  put the long date ?>  <p/>
>
> does nothing.  I'll keep tinkering.
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Gregory
>
>
>
>
>
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Apr 20 20:14:35 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:14:35 +1000
Subject: ANN: Half price mergExt + MobGUI
Message-ID: <BEA88E91-CD0F-400A-BFD4-7FA97E1A2049@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi LiveCoders

For anyone who doesn't get revUp:

Because mergExt and MobGUI are such natural companions as seen in my newsletter article http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/april/issue133/newsletter4.php?a=NWS131 for the next two weeks mergExt and MobGUI are half price if purchased together from the RunRev Marketplace (US$74.50) using the coupon code MERGUI

Regards,

Monte Goulding
--
M E R Goulding
Software development services

From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 20 20:51:53 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:51:53 -0700
Subject: Position of a tab in a tab control.
In-Reply-To: <F8EDD41B-1081-4278-8FC2-53AA5E8D1C93@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMBLrGK=Bm9Wy-SB3_+tPtanMZvQ7M24b-624Q3nU4X2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6386C08F-86FE-431D-B223-15B7603287AE@pbh.on-rev.com>
	<F8EDD41B-1081-4278-8FC2-53AA5E8D1C93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePwsVrpt9k4ShRxFm2dRqa8eJBd9r8z9kfHkRBNd8yOTw@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,Paul(I so wish there was a Mary on the list),
Thanks for the info on Mark's tab control and the handler. I'll try both
and see works best.
Pete
On Apr 20, 2012 8:14 AM, "Peter M. Brigham, MD" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> If using Mark's custom tab control doesn't work for you, here's a kludgy
> work-around. It requires a hidden field "hiddenTestFld" with margins set to
> 6.
>
> on positionControl btnName, tabNbr
>   -- btnName is the name of your tab button
>   put the formattedwidth of btn btnName into bWidth
>   put the formattedheight of btn btnName into bHeight
>   put item 1 of the loc of btn btnName into bCenter
>   put bWidth div 2 into halfWidth
>   put bCenter - halfWidth into bLeft
>   put bCenter + halfWidth into bRight
>   put the top of btn btnName into bTop
>   set the textfont of fld "hiddenTestFld" to the textfont of btn btnName
>   set the textsize of fld "hiddenTestFld" to the textsize of btn btnName
>   put 0 into divisions
>   repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines of btn btnName
>      put line n of btn btnName into tabName
>      put tabName into fld "hiddenTestFld"
>      put (the formattedwidth of fld "hiddenTestFld") into tWidth
>      put (item n of divisions) + tWidth into item n+1 of divisions
>   end repeat
>   put (item tabNbr of divisions) + bLeft into tabLeft
>   put (item tabNbr+1 of divisions) + bLeft into tabRight
>   put tabLeft + ((tabRight - tabLeft) div 2) into tabCenter
>   set the loc of btn "floatingControl" to tabCenter,bHeight+24
> end positionControl
>
> The result in placing the control (in this case btn "floatingControl")
> below the correct tab is not quite exact, for reasons I haven't gotten to
> the bottom of, but you could fiddle with it a bit.
>
> HTH,
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
>
> > Pete,
> >
> > I may be wrong, but I don't think there's a way to control the
> differences between the two platforms without rolling your own tab control.
> >
> > However, Mark Schonewille has done much of the work and made his custom
> tab control available through RevOnline, just search for "custom tab" and
> you should find it, or the web hosted version is here?
> >
> > http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/258/Custom-Tab-Button
> >
> > You should be able to adapt it (or copy the principles) to suit your
> needs.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 20 Apr 2012, at 04:19, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a way to get hold of the coordinates of the label of the
> currently
> >> selected tab of a tab control?
> >>
> >> I have a control that I want to position immediately below the label of
> the
> >> current tab of a tab control.  I tried doing this by trial and error,
> >> adding a number of pixels to the left of the control to position it
> >> correctly.  This was all on a Mac and as soon as I tried it on a Windows
> >> machine, the control is not positioned correctly, and I suspect it
> would be
> >> affected by different screen resolutions also.
> >>
> >> Pete
> >> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 21:54:24 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:54:24 +0900
Subject: install fail inconsistent certificates (Android)
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmr=LPHtN=MULULgZXQXUcS-kjU=6iFSgLU_dVs+nnjwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Just as an Android app is about to be launched on my device during, I
get the message "install parse failed inconsistent certificates". I've
figured out that this happens when I move devpt from one computer to
another. My solution so far is to delete the app from my device each
time I connect to a different computer. But, I'm guessing there's some
setting I've overlooked. Right?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Apr 20 22:34:39 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:34:39 -0400
Subject: ANN: Half price mergExt + MobGUI
In-Reply-To: <BEA88E91-CD0F-400A-BFD4-7FA97E1A2049@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <BEA88E91-CD0F-400A-BFD4-7FA97E1A2049@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <0D0A56E0-2ADE-4394-B0B2-AC7FA325B375@verizon.net>

What is the best option for people like me who are fully licensed for MobGUI already?



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Apr 20 22:58:36 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:58:36 +1000
Subject: ANN: Half price mergExt + MobGUI
In-Reply-To: <0D0A56E0-2ADE-4394-B0B2-AC7FA325B375@verizon.net>
References: <BEA88E91-CD0F-400A-BFD4-7FA97E1A2049@sweattechnologies.com>
	<0D0A56E0-2ADE-4394-B0B2-AC7FA325B375@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <13461933-3155-4F08-B441-E1E2407E947F@sweattechnologies.com>

Well it's still cheaper to buy them together :-)

You could contact John after the sale to discuss what to do with the extra seat.

--
Monte Goulding

On 21/04/2012, at 12:34 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> What is the best option for people like me who are fully licensed for MobGUI already?
> 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Apr 20 23:01:00 2012
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:01:00 -0400
Subject: install fail inconsistent certificates (Android)
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmr=LPHtN=MULULgZXQXUcS-kjU=6iFSgLU_dVs+nnjwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxmr=LPHtN=MULULgZXQXUcS-kjU=6iFSgLU_dVs+nnjwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401cd1f6a$fb66dfb0$f2349f10$@net>

The development certificate is dynamically created in the .android folder.
So every machine will have a different one. You could try copying the
debug.keystore from one machine to all the others and overwrite the one that
had been created on the other machines. Never tried it but it might work.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cueto
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:54 PM
To: LiveCode - general LiveCode
Subject: install fail inconsistent certificates (Android)

Hello All,

Just as an Android app is about to be launched on my device during, I get
the message "install parse failed inconsistent certificates". I've figured
out that this happens when I move devpt from one computer to another. My
solution so far is to delete the app from my device each time I connect to a
different computer. But, I'm guessing there's some setting I've overlooked.
Right?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto

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From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Apr 20 23:27:33 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:27:33 -0400
Subject: Problem with pasting from a Rev App to Pages..
Message-ID: <5CDDAB23-8805-476D-B4E8-885C0B711845@mac.com>

I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. 
This is the code I have in my copy button:

 set the clipboardData["rtf"] to the rtfText of field "statements"
   
   copy character 1 to -1 of field "statements"

Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?

Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com






From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Apr 20 23:43:56 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:43:56 -0400
Subject: openStack called from subStack - why ?
In-Reply-To: <AAE403EA-50A4-4D37-AC11-E072A6558D9B@gmail.com>
References: <0915CDD7-186C-405F-BFAE-F16DE3CD328E@id.uzh.ch>
	<22F8978D-024F-4790-B3CD-B5FEE99F5C62@unil.ch>
	<AAE403EA-50A4-4D37-AC11-E072A6558D9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4857EEB5-8954-41F1-B22F-1831301978CD@sonsothunder.com>

>>> I always had the (wrong!) impression that every openStack handler is
>>> only called once, and also that it belongs to the stack containing it.

Others have described the hierarchy, but I thought I'd offer some clarification related to why some people have suggested to put the openStack trap of your main stack in the first card of the stack instead of the stack script, and to offer an alternative:

If you put an openStack handler in the stack script of your mainstack, and just open the mainstack, the "openStack" message passes through the hierarchy like this:

openStack
    -> script of first card of mainstack
    -> stack script of mainstack
    -> backscripts/libraries/etc.

If you open a *substack* of the mainstack, the openStack message passes through the hierarchy like this:

openStack
    -> script of first card of substack
    -> stack script of substack
    -> stack script of mainstack
    -> backscripts/libraries/etc.

Notice that the message does NOT go to the first card of the mainstack! So if you move your openStack handler of your mainstack from the stack script to the first card of the mainstack, it will still be triggered when the *mainstack* opens, but it will NOT be triggered when a *substack* opens.

Coming from HyperCard/SuperCard development, and in my early years of working with MetaCard/Revolution, it seemed "weird" to me that I would have stack-related handlers in a card script. So to keep the handler in the mainstack script but *not* have it trigger when a substack opened, I had my mainstack's openStack handler look like this:

on openStack
  if the owner of the target is me then
    -- do mainstack-only stuff
  else
    -- either do nothing, or do substack-only stuff
  end if
end openStack

Since the openStack message hits the card first, the "owner of the target" is the mainstack (or substack) itself? so by testing "if the owner of the target is me" inside the mainstack's stack script, I could isolate openStack messages from the mainstack opening vs. any of its substacks.

Hope this helps clarify things,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Sat Apr 21 01:39:06 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (Paolo Mazza)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 07:39:06 +0200
Subject: Augmented reality 
Message-ID: <651543FF-28B9-40E3-94CA-2E95FDC9B1F5@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I wonder if any of you developed a mobile app of  Augmented reality using LC and the Mergex map kit extension of Monte.
Ciao
Paolo 


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Apr 21 02:01:58 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:01:58 +1000
Subject: Augmented reality 
In-Reply-To: <651543FF-28B9-40E3-94CA-2E95FDC9B1F5@gmail.com>
References: <651543FF-28B9-40E3-94CA-2E95FDC9B1F5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35285FD2-2AEC-4AD4-BC27-C3D3762CE159@sweattechnologies.com>

Hehe, I'd be very surprised given I only released mergMK a few days ago ;-)

On 21/04/2012, at 3:39 PM, Paolo Mazza wrote:

> Hi all,
> I wonder if any of you developed a mobile app of  Augmented reality using LC and the Mergex map kit extension of Monte.
> Ciao
> Paolo 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Apr 21 05:13:36 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:13:36 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker Plugin 1.7.6
Message-ID: <AAA0E923-21DD-434A-AF21-B8CA5A7B5E9C@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear LiveCode users,

Economy-x-Talk is releasing Installer Maker Plugin 1.7.6 today. Installer Maker allows you to wrap your LiveCode standalones in an installer without additional software. This release is a maintenance release, which fixes 5 bugs reported by our customers. More information is available from our website.

You can download the Installer Maker Plugin from your website at http://rrinstallermaker.economy-x-talk.com where you can also obtain a license. This version is free for everyone who bought a license during the past 3 months.

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Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6




From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sat Apr 21 05:19:26 2012
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:19:26 +0100
Subject: Help using Shell to open a file in Excel
Message-ID: <CAM19O3yY77jXt6xWUAtR6pbJSQXWOXsgPGdeddUMTZuBz-ENPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have a stack which produces a set of tables which I want to export to
excel.

What I would like:
User clicks a button in LC and excel opens with the tables in place.

What I have:
User clicks a button, saves the file to disc, double clicks the file on
disc which opens in Excel

I can get the shell command to open excel on my machine but I don't know
how to get LC to open excel with the file.


Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated

-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Apr 21 05:27:50 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:27:50 +0200
Subject: Help using Shell to open a file in Excel
In-Reply-To: <CAM19O3yY77jXt6xWUAtR6pbJSQXWOXsgPGdeddUMTZuBz-ENPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM19O3yY77jXt6xWUAtR6pbJSQXWOXsgPGdeddUMTZuBz-ENPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <301507DD-C05E-49FF-8F7D-82564034E8DF@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ian,

Why do you want to use the shell? There is a launch command, which lets you launch a document with an application:

launch "path/to/document.xls" with "path/to/application"

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Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6

On 21 apr 2012, at 11:19, Ian McKnight wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have a stack which produces a set of tables which I want to export to
> excel.
> 
> What I would like:
> User clicks a button in LC and excel opens with the tables in place.
> 
> What I have:
> User clicks a button, saves the file to disc, double clicks the file on
> disc which opens in Excel
> 
> I can get the shell command to open excel on my machine but I don't know
> how to get LC to open excel with the file.
> 
> 
> Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Ian McKnight




From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sat Apr 21 07:17:45 2012
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:17:45 +0100
Subject: Help using Shell to open a file in Excel
In-Reply-To: <301507DD-C05E-49FF-8F7D-82564034E8DF@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAM19O3yY77jXt6xWUAtR6pbJSQXWOXsgPGdeddUMTZuBz-ENPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<301507DD-C05E-49FF-8F7D-82564034E8DF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAM19O3w7PWq4UVD-fDinZX9=oGRX3S-WZ+y5OxqX1anFUWfUFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark

You are quite correct - I just failed to read the dictionary entry
carefully enough!

Thanks



On 21 April 2012 10:27, Mark Schonewille
<m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> Why do you want to use the shell? There is a launch command, which lets
> you launch a document with an application:
>
> launch "path/to/document.xls" with "path/to/application"
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6
>
> On 21 apr 2012, at 11:19, Ian McKnight wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a stack which produces a set of tables which I want to export to
> > excel.
> >
> > What I would like:
> > User clicks a button in LC and excel opens with the tables in place.
> >
> > What I have:
> > User clicks a button, saves the file to disc, double clicks the file on
> > disc which opens in Excel
> >
> > I can get the shell command to open excel on my machine but I don't know
> > how to get LC to open excel with the file.
> >
> >
> > Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Ian McKnight
>
>
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=======================


From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sat Apr 21 08:16:51 2012
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:16:51 +0100
Subject: Help finding an application path in windows
Message-ID: <CAM19O3wE8ESKvHgGDo4UEb8f7yLpwYOZxJgk8DNxaus0XNk9+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I'm am able to launch a file in Excel directly from LC but I do not want to
hard code the path to excel in my app.
The following code works but is this the best way to handle this situation?
What would happen if Office were upgraded for example?


  put $programFiles &"\" into tProgramFilesPath

      put "Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\excel.exe" into tStandardInstallPath
      put tProgramFilesPath & tStandardInstallPath into tFullAppFilePath

      launch fName with tFullAppFilePath

      if the result is not empty
      then
         --excel not found
         answer error "Excel cannot be located on your
system"&cr&cr&"Locate Excel or cancel?"  with "Cancel" or "Find Excel"

         if it is "Cancel" then exit to top

         answer file "Locate Excel" with filter "EXE,*.exe"
         put it into tAppPath
         launch fName with tAppPath
      end if

BTW this works for MSOffice 2003 and Win 7

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Apr 21 08:28:59 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:28:59 -0400
Subject: Help using Shell to open a file in Excel
In-Reply-To: <CAM19O3yY77jXt6xWUAtR6pbJSQXWOXsgPGdeddUMTZuBz-ENPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM19O3yY77jXt6xWUAtR6pbJSQXWOXsgPGdeddUMTZuBz-ENPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <107CE7CE-1FB4-4A8A-850A-B1B12684FBAF@gmail.com>

On Apr 21, 2012, at 5:19 AM, Ian McKnight wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have a stack which produces a set of tables which I want to export to
> excel.
> 
> What I would like:
> User clicks a button in LC and excel opens with the tables in place.
> 
> What I have:
> User clicks a button, saves the file to disc, double clicks the file on
> disc which opens in Excel
> 
> I can get the shell command to open excel on my machine but I don't know
> how to get LC to open excel with the file.

I don't think you need a shell command -- try
   launch "/path/to/file/test.xls"
after saving your file.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig






From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sat Apr 21 13:41:55 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:41:55 -0400
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335027604.31586.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335027604.31586.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <35B3BD48-4F71-4EF4-B849-FAD75F4DF8FF@videotron.ca>

Hi Alex,

Not a stupid question at all.  I hang my head in shame.  I was so focussed on working out server installation details and glitches that I forgot to change the filename on my test page.  Sigh.

Thanks.

Gregory



On Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> This is probably a stupid question but ......
> 
> your page that includes "calls to Livecode from within a web page" - 
> that is called something.lc, isn't it ?
> It can't be called something.html and have the livecode calls work.
> 
> Sorry if that's off track,
> -- Alex.



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sat Apr 21 13:43:46 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:43:46 -0400
Subject: Can't Get Server Engine to Work on My Mac
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335027604.31586.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335027604.31586.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B73C050D-B601-4A5A-92F9-2BF8A29F4EAC@videotron.ca>

Thanks Alex, Mike, and Stephen,

All great tips that have helped me iron out the glitches.

Very much appreciated,

Gregory





From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sat Apr 21 14:02:25 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:02:25 -0400
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
Message-ID: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

In developing a site using LiveCode server, I?d be interested in your thoughts on keeping prying eyes away from LiveCode scripts.  I imagine that keeping the scripts in files and stacks, as opposed to embedded in web pages, is the best thing.

Gregory





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Apr 21 14:11:24 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:11:24 -0500
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4F92F84C.9000101@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/21/12 1:02 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> In developing a site using LiveCode server, I?d be interested in your
> thoughts on keeping prying eyes away from LiveCode scripts.  I
> imagine that keeping the scripts in files and stacks, as opposed to
> embedded in web pages, is the best thing.

Visitors to your site can't see the scripts. They execute on the server 
and provide output, but the scripts themselves aren't in the web page 
that the user receives. The only way to see the scripts is to have 
access to the server files.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Apr 21 14:13:01 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:13:01 -0500
Subject: Problem with pasting from a Rev App to Pages..
In-Reply-To: <5CDDAB23-8805-476D-B4E8-885C0B711845@mac.com>
References: <5CDDAB23-8805-476D-B4E8-885C0B711845@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F92F8AD.8080006@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/20/12 10:27 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:
>
> set the clipboardData["rtf"] to the rtfText of field "statements"
>
> copy character 1 to -1 of field "statements"
>
> Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting
> Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I
> correct this?

Both of those statements are different ways to put text into the 
clipboard. If you execute both of them, the second one replaces the 
clipboard content that was set in the first statement. You only need one 
of those, probably the one that sets the rtf text.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Apr 21 14:19:04 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:19:04 -0700
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com>

Gregory Lypny wrote:

 > In developing a site using LiveCode server, I?d be interested in your
 > thoughts on keeping prying eyes away from LiveCode scripts.  I
 > imagine that keeping the scripts in files and stacks, as opposed to
 > embedded in web pages, is the best thing.

Why not?

Jacque's right about the difference between the raw page and what the 
user gets, but personally I find embedding tons of LiveCode into my HTML 
distracting; I prefer to put simple function call in HTML and let 
libraries handle the rest.

--
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  Fourth World
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  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Apr 21 14:24:07 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:24:07 -0600
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
	<4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSptYzqTWXJ5NfZt7yLo-7UExc052GYkiU3=WojpMGYuaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Plus you can put any included library files or stacks outside the webserver
document root so they can only be hit indirectly.

Be  careful if you use a library stack made with 5.5 and save it in the
legacy format. I don't believe the current lc server can load up 5.5
stacks.
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
> > In developing a site using LiveCode server, I?d be interested in your
> > thoughts on keeping prying eyes away from LiveCode scripts.  I
> > imagine that keeping the scripts in files and stacks, as opposed to
> > embedded in web pages, is the best thing.
>
> Why not?
>
> Jacque's right about the difference between the raw page and what the user
> gets, but personally I find embedding tons of LiveCode into my HTML
> distracting; I prefer to put simple function call in HTML and let libraries
> handle the rest.
>
> --
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>  Fourth World
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From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Sat Apr 21 14:44:46 2012
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:44:46 +0200
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSptYzqTWXJ5NfZt7yLo-7UExc052GYkiU3=WojpMGYuaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
	<4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSptYzqTWXJ5NfZt7yLo-7UExc052GYkiU3=WojpMGYuaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F83C1DC3-6077-4CC4-9ED4-485FC354AE77@sahores-conseil.com>

Conformed : LC server can handle stack's libs saved under up to the 5.0.2 version of LC

Le 21 avr. 2012 ? 20:24, Mike Bonner a ?crit :

> Plus you can put any included library files or stacks outside the webserver
> document root so they can only be hit indirectly.
> 
> Be  careful if you use a library stack made with 5.5 and save it in the
> legacy format. I don't believe the current lc server can load up 5.5
> stacks.
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Gregory Lypny wrote:
>> 
>>> In developing a site using LiveCode server, I?d be interested in your
>>> thoughts on keeping prying eyes away from LiveCode scripts.  I
>>> imagine that keeping the scripts in files and stacks, as opposed to
>>> embedded in web pages, is the best thing.
>> 
>> Why not?
>> 
>> Jacque's right about the difference between the raw page and what the user
>> gets, but personally I find embedding tons of LiveCode into my HTML
>> distracting; I prefer to put simple function call in HTML and let libraries
>> handle the rest.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Apr 21 16:32:38 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:32:38 +0200
Subject: Problem with pasting from a Rev App to Pages..
In-Reply-To: <5CDDAB23-8805-476D-B4E8-885C0B711845@mac.com>
References: <5CDDAB23-8805-476D-B4E8-885C0B711845@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5434F3F2-F05D-4960-AC27-3FE9E90E4D6F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Charles,

Did you see my reply to your previous e-mail? Try setting the font of the text to one different from the font of the field. E.g. set the font of the field to Arial and the font of char 1 to -1 of the field to Time New Roman. Use 

set the clipboardData["rtf"] to the rtfText of field "statements"

or

set the clipboardData["html"] to the htmlText of field "statements"

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On 21 apr 2012, at 05:27, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I am working on an app that the user keeps open on the desktop that can take text and place it on the clipboard and paste into a word processor's document.  I set up an option menu in my app that allows the user to set the font property in a text field. I have another button that allow the user to paste the text into a document. However, when I test the app on a Mac and paste into a Pages document, I do not get the font that was selected in the button. 
> This is the code I have in my copy button:
> 
> set the clipboardData["rtf"] to the rtfText of field "statements"
> 
>   copy character 1 to -1 of field "statements"
> 
> Despite setting the font in the text field as Palatino I keep getting Times New Roman when it is pasted into the Pages document!  How can I correct this?
> 
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
> 




From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Apr 21 23:26:37 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:26:37 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
Message-ID: <11C55CA5-9D59-4BC7-8F84-AD071122128B@mac.com>

Mark,

Thanks! I am sorry to be late in replying to your email. 

Sent from my iPad



From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Apr 21 23:28:56 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:28:56 -0400
Subject: A problem with Font Menu in LC Resource Center
Message-ID: <EBF5AD13-9F25-421D-ACFA-B2498B0C41CC@mac.com>

Peter,

Thanks! I am sorry to be late in replying to your email.  I have been trying to figure a problem I am with using LC's clipboardData in pasting text from a LC created app to a Pages document. 

Sent from my iPad



From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Apr 21 23:32:48 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:32:48 -0400
Subject: Can Rev do this?
Message-ID: <01B9DAE0-5668-401E-B823-BBD073C8A18C@mac.com>

Rick,

Thanks for the suggestion! That still leaves me with pasting into a Window's app. 

Sent from my iPad



From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Apr 21 23:34:51 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:34:51 -0400
Subject: Problem with pasting from a Rev App to Pages..
Message-ID: <AFDAEF4A-BDF2-49E3-84ED-A3651F2D31C2@mac.com>

Jacque,

I have not tried using the following by itself.  I will try it tomorrow. 
set the clipboardData["rtf"] to the rtfText of field "statements"

Sent from my iPad


From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Apr 21 23:36:12 2012
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:36:12 -0400
Subject: Problem with pasting from a Rev App to Pages..
Message-ID: <A66BFDB4-EE5E-46E5-B75D-01A64ACA8DA1@mac.com>

Mark,

No, I did not see your comment. I will try your suggestion. Thanks!

Sent from my iPad



From chemrama at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 00:35:41 2012
From: chemrama at gmail.com (varvar)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Livecode blows a Raspberry?
In-Reply-To: <4F4E6763.6010008@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F4E52B3.2020502@gmail.com> <4F4E5EF3.9040704@kencorey.com>
	<4F4E6763.6010008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1335069341385-4577655.post@n4.nabble.com>

Re: Livecode blows a Raspberry? LiveCode does not currently support ARM/Linux
(as opposed to (de facto) ARM/Android).

OK, I had made the original request in January  to LiveCode Dev for a
ARM/Linux port, anticipating release of the Raspberry Pi. I have no idea
what RunRev thinks of all of this, but given the recent press release where
I understand that LiveCode is going to be adopted as the programming IDE in
schools in a major school district close to Cambridge, they should pay
attention to Raspberry Pi and Eben Upton's stated mission of promoting
interest in computing among school age children, and port LiveCode to
ARM/Linux. If they do not, all is not lost since the Android/ARM gadgets are
also in freefall as far as prices are concerned. When I attended the MIT ARM
Dev Conference in February, Eben was very candid about how the Foundation's
objectives vis-a-vis hardware had changed. Originally, they wanted
everything to be sourced in  the U.K., I believe. But they soon found out
that this was not going to be cost effective , and after much debate,
decided to OEM from China. Well, the Raspberry may be the cheapest computer
in the world, but you need display, keyboard,  etc., and that adds $ to the
cost.

If you do a diligent Google search, you will find OEMs in China offering
Android tablets at a cost of between $75 and $90 at the time I am posting
this--it drops every few days! What is the advantage of an Android tablet?
Most of them throw in the wireless interface and you do not need a display
or keyboard. So, you may not get the world's tiniest SBC/COM but you
certainly get a very low power, high res display all-in-one gadget, somewhat
more "open" than the Pi [it was my understanding from the MIT presentation
that certain parts of the Raspberry hardware engine , esp display drivers
and graphics,  were proprietary.] The Android tablets are all fairly generic
standard "clones."! Thus, LiveCode will run effortlessly on these low cost
machines, as I have determined from my tests. (Make sure that the OS is >
2.3 though!)

A final remark, again based on my testing, check out this company (Genesi 
http://www.genesi-usa.com/products http://www.genesi-usa.com/products ) 
that makes the EFIKA, A FULL ARM SBC IN A  slim CASE/box  that weighs approx
250 g, has a HDMI port, a USB port, Wired AND wireless ethernet, and a SD
card slot , runs Linux off internal flash RAM but boots Android (build
supplied by  Genesi) from the SD card. This elegant gadget costs $130 but I
am sure the company will look at ways to bring prices even lower. I got a
simple LiveCode app working effortlessly on the EFIKA.
Pardon the grammar and punctuation, and I am sorry if I have violated any
post etiquette or posted in the wrong forum--I do not post very often.
Rama Viswanathan, Beloit, Wisconsin, April 21, 2012

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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Apr 22 07:04:14 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:04:14 -0700
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
	<4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4F93E5AE.2010609@pdslabs.net>

On 4/21/12 11:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
> > In developing a site using LiveCode server, I?d be interested in your
> > thoughts on keeping prying eyes away from LiveCode scripts.  I
> > imagine that keeping the scripts in files and stacks, as opposed to
> > embedded in web pages, is the best thing.
>
> Why not?
>
> Jacque's right about the difference between the raw page and what the user 
> gets, but personally I find embedding tons of LiveCode into my HTML 
> distracting; I prefer to put simple function call in HTML and let libraries 
> handle the rest.

Amen to this. Being a long-time desktop app builder, I find it an order of 
magnitude easier to work with stacks in the IDE than to work on code 
intermingled with HTML. In one big web app I stash all my lib stacks in a folder 
on the server machine that is outside the web server's reach, but still 
accessible as lib stacks via the server's file system. The app's web pages 
contain only enough LC to start using the libs and they do almost everything. 
I'm pretty confident no one will ever get them unless I have a serious non-web 
kind of security breach.

Phil Davis


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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Apr 22 07:50:16 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:50:16 -0400
Subject: Help finding an application path in windows
In-Reply-To: <CAM19O3wE8ESKvHgGDo4UEb8f7yLpwYOZxJgk8DNxaus0XNk9+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM19O3wE8ESKvHgGDo4UEb8f7yLpwYOZxJgk8DNxaus0XNk9+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C55F316D-F7F4-4CEC-AAC5-941046CD68A9@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Ian McKnight wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm am able to launch a file in Excel directly from LC but I do not want to
> hard code the path to excel in my app.

I'm not at my PC to confirm this at the moment, but according to a web search, you should be able to do this (watch for line breaks):

put queryRegistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\App Paths\excel.exe") into tExcelPath


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 10:39:21 2012
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:39:21 -0500
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <4F93E5AE.2010609@pdslabs.net>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
	<4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com> <4F93E5AE.2010609@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <18535F31-46C1-49B0-B6DB-870549D7FEB0@gmail.com>

Hey, all.

I'd like to experiment with LC for some video game development.  Sprite animation with collision detection, vertical and horizontal landscape scrolling, etc.  Can LC keep up the pace when the number of on-screen objects gets to a dozen or more?  Need special add-ons like the Animation Engine, or can it all be done natively?  Any exceptional online tutorials, etc. you would recommend?

All help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
J.




From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Apr 22 11:20:32 2012
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:20:32 +0200
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <762CEA95-A1C6-4AFF-8418-615C0F62DF26@derbrill.de>

Hi J,

I'd say it really depends on the targeted platform. The weaker the hardware, the more hoops you need to jump through. Regarding animationEngine: As the developer of said add on it comes naturally for me to think it is helpful, however, it is written completely in liveCode. No rocket sience in it, just making life a little easier I guess. If you have the time to read a lot of tutorials and books there is nothing in it an experienced livecode developer couldn't write themselves with a few months / years of time. :-)

All the best,

Malte


From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 11:39:19 2012
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:39:19 -0500
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <762CEA95-A1C6-4AFF-8418-615C0F62DF26@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<762CEA95-A1C6-4AFF-8418-615C0F62DF26@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <FD7A20BF-F3A6-4C26-9517-98F35AC23D16@gmail.com>

Thanks, Malte.  I've downloaded the AnimationEngine trial and will take a look this afternoon.  :)

At this time, I am just playing around, so I will be developing on Mac OS X for deployment on same.  If I get really crazy, I might see how my ideas run on my BootCamp Windows install.  Not looking at any mobile deployments for now.

I did lots of arcade-style development back in the day?and by that, I mean almost 30 years ago using Player-Missile Graphics in both BASIC and machine language on my Atari 800XL.  (Wow, I'm old.)  I also did my share of heavy-lifting with HyperCard in the late '90s, so I'm extremely comfortable with the LC core concepts.

Just bridging the gap by trying a few fun idea.  I'd like to try a side-scroller with parallax and some other challenges.

Thanks in advance to any other ideas you all might have.

J.



On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi J,
> 
> I'd say it really depends on the targeted platform. The weaker the hardware, the more hoops you need to jump through. Regarding animationEngine: As the developer of said add on it comes naturally for me to think it is helpful, however, it is written completely in liveCode. No rocket sience in it, just making life a little easier I guess. If you have the time to read a lot of tutorials and books there is nothing in it an experienced livecode developer couldn't write themselves with a few months / years of time. :-)
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Malte
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Apr 22 12:07:27 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:07:27 +0200
Subject: DELETE, PUT http
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinsuivyMB59sNczw0Ttyup4gmqV8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=vME3RoM=hnODA+JtWrh8J2oDcQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=OprqSi4bq8uD3SL3mdn-OSKP_-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D280880-B9B3-4D49-9590-74585CEFA709@economy-x-talk.com>
	<BANLkTikTFU3i6aJY3wZWCaWgxZ=ujiRu5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<40781D73-C4B1-446B-8FF5-1C7EFF2C759B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<BANLkTinsuivyMB59sNczw0Ttyup4gmqV8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7078E85-FD5F-4550-ADC1-5A3B91A80C3D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Trevor and others,

I just looked into "put into url" again and found out that you need to configure your server to make it work. Apparently, you can't do this in a .htaccess or php.config file but you need to do this at a higher level. Currently, I have no server that I can configure this way. I wonder if anyone has got this working?

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On 4 apr 2011, at 15:52, Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> I don't think it is new as I found out about support a while ago (at least
> 4.x, probably 3.x). I don't have 4.0 installed any longer though so I can't
> confirm that at the moment.
> 
> How was your test set up? Below are the results I see in the field targeted
> by libURLSetLogField when executing a PUT or DELETE call.
> 
> Testing PUT:
> 
> put "what" into url "http://google.com"
> 
> *********************
> PUT / HTTP/1.1
> Host: google.com
> User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
> Content-Length: 4
> Content-Type:  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> 
> 
> HTTP/1.1 405 Method Not Allowed
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Length: 1390
> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:47:26 GMT
> Server: GFE/2.0
> Connection: close
> *********************
> 
> Testing DELETE:
> 
> delete url "http://google.com"
> 
> *********************
> DELETE / HTTP/1.1
> Host: google.com
> User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
> 
> 
> HTTP/1.1 405 Method Not Allowed
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Length: 1393
> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:49:35 GMT
> Server: GFE/2.0
> *********************




From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Apr 22 12:46:00 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:46:00 +0200
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5EC624E2-0D72-4322-920E-703DD223FE89@mac.com>

I'm trying to understand TestFlight and the workflow model it supports so as to interact with beta tester(s) for my iOS app(s), but so far their FAQ etc doesn't quite explain the model to a real ignoramus like me.

I know how to develop for iOS using Livecode, and I have got as far as being able to create an app, show it in the Simulator, and then transfer it to my own device via XCode and execute it. My next step would seem to be:

1. Get my first beta tester to sign up: but what does this actually mean? Does he have to log on to TestFlight using my ID and password, or does he use his own, or doesn't he need an ID at all? If either of the last two, how do I get to know about his device and register it within my own development shop?

2. Tell XCode about my new tester so that the app in beta somehow has his UDID (if that's the right term) embedded in the app. I see TestFlight helps with this, but it can't actually put things in my app, so how is this done?

3. Get a copy of my app to my beta tester so that he can test it and give me feedback; and then to send him a new copy whenever I want him to test it. How would I do this? I am assuming that the tester doesn't himself have access to any technology apart from his iPhone and the Internet (no Mac, for example). Can this work?

I would love to understand this enough to get going. Meanwhile my first tester languishes in outer darkness on the other side of the world.

TIA for any clarification

Graham

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:50:54 -07008, Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:

> Charles wrote:
> 
>> TestFlight looks interesting... how does one use it with LC?
> 
> The same as you would use it with apps written in xCode - for gathering testers'' UDIDs and distributing of builds to those testers.
> It allows testers to provide feedback too.
> 
> JimL



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr 22 13:33:05 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:33:05 -0400
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <5EC624E2-0D72-4322-920E-703DD223FE89@mac.com>
References: <mailman.6698.1334932104.4585.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<5EC624E2-0D72-4322-920E-703DD223FE89@mac.com>
Message-ID: <89AE04B7-929E-4145-857B-5A51FBD3B645@verizon.net>

TestFlight has always seemed like overkill to me, if all you want to do is have beta testers install your app. It may well have powerful tracking features, and other management tools, but anyone who does use TestFlightApp.com has to register with them, and has to install a special provisioning tool onto their devices.

You could use Jacque's AirLaunch tool, or BetaBuilder from the Mac App Store, and quickly get something online that your user can install just by touching a link in a web page. You will have to collect the UDID numbers for yourself, and add them to your developer portal, but that's easy enough to do. You can add in several at a time, and then update your provisioning file before doing the LiveCode build that you're going to send out.



From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Apr 22 13:36:10 2012
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:36:10 +0200
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.817.1329843305.8885.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <40ABC944-2F58-4C5A-9DF8-4B76D90FEC42@derbrill.de>

Hi J,

I joined the Atari camp with the ST. Had an Amstrad CPC before that. And a Sinclair zx Spectrum. So I guess I can be counted into the I am old camp too :-D
I once did a Parallax scroller in liveCode (when it was still rev). Might be fun to dig that one up and try with the accelerated rendering stuff. Will dig through my archives tomorrow to see if I still can find it.

Cheers,

Malte 


From jiml at netrin.com  Sun Apr 22 16:08:54 2012
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:08:54 -0700
Subject: Help understanding iOS deployment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C283285D-3CAE-4778-8267-57B9F480F550@netrin.com>

Take a look at your TestFlight Dashboard. That alone will answer a few of your questions, such as how to invite testers. The other answers should be in their FAQ

JimL


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 22 16:38:46 2012
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:38:46 -0700
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <668448B2-9B2B-4BB6-9B29-3B99F26B696E@sbcglobal.net>

Hi J,

LC can handle the game of 9 ball pool fairly well, and that is fairly computationally intensive--handling the collisions between multiple moving balls.

   You can find it at http://jamesphurley.com/Revolution.html

To download a stack from that web site, get the link and run this in the msg box

go url "[the link]"

There are a number of other simulations, in particular "Bouncing ball tools" at that web site  that deal with the complexities of collisions with walls in a convex polygon.

See also "Programmable Graphics"  in RevOnLine. There are 21 cards there demonstrating a variety of  animation problems.

Jim

> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:39:21 -0500
> From: "J. Downs" <downs.david.j at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Animation
> Message-ID: <18535F31-46C1-49B0-B6DB-870549D7FEB0 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Hey, all.
> 
> I'd like to experiment with LC for some video game development.  Sprite animation with collision detection, vertical and horizontal landscape scrolling, etc.  Can LC keep up the pace when the number of on-screen objects gets to a dozen or more?  Need special add-ons like the Animation Engine, or can it all be done natively?  Any exceptional online tutorials, etc. you would recommend?
> 
> All help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> J.
> 
> 




From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sun Apr 22 16:53:48 2012
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:53:48 -0400
Subject: Code Security When Using LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E95B434A-841F-412B-8884-655E5CAB68AC@videotron.ca>

Hello Jacqueline, Richard, Mike, Pierre, and Phil,

Thank you for your helpful thoughts on web code security.  I think I?ll prototype with a combination of stacks for sensitive things (I?ll do some homework on where to place the stacks and how to refer to them) and embedded lines for innocuous things.


Gregory Lypny
    
Associate Professor of Finance
John Molson School of Business
Concordia University







From henshaw at me.com  Sun Apr 22 16:55:28 2012
From: henshaw at me.com (Andrew Henshaw)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:55:28 +0100
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
Message-ID: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>

Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in different countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing something very obvious!

Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..

   put the date into tDate
   convert tDate to seconds
   put tDate

Returns 1335049200

Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to a few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.

Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the values stored are correct.

Andy


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr 22 17:02:47 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:02:47 +0100
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W623221F1BA04441A1EBF66ED200@phx.gbl>


the internet date might be what you are looking for


> 
> Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in different countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing something very obvious!
> 
> Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
> 
>    put the date into tDate
>    convert tDate to seconds
>    put tDate
> 
> Returns 1335049200
> 
> Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to a few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
> 
> Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the values stored are correct.
> 
> Andy
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 17:04:05 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:04:05 -0600
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqUVCWrjo7-QtgykXpV81coaeKXtj+=x19=e2aDPmWFEw@mail.gmail.com>

You are correct, its a matter of daylight savings time. I believe "the
date" converted to seconds turns into the seconds representing the first
moment of that date IE midnight. Then there is an adjustment for daylight
saving time.

The easiest way around this (if you only care about the date itself not
being specific to an hour) is to change your first line to something like..
put the date && "12:00 PM" into tDate

This way DST becomes a non issue for the seconds to dates.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Andrew Henshaw <henshaw at me.com> wrote:

> Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in different
> countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing
> something very obvious!
>
> Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
>
>   put the date into tDate
>   convert tDate to seconds
>   put tDate
>
> Returns 1335049200
>
> Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to a
> few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012
> 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
>
> Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is
> there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the
> values stored are correct.
>
> Andy
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 17:06:06 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:06:06 -0600
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W623221F1BA04441A1EBF66ED200@phx.gbl>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
	<BAY152-W623221F1BA04441A1EBF66ED200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqxK5==NOf1=A-gJk03FLvsbkiK9NfkthGjcZrrHTOoNQ@mail.gmail.com>

the internet date will most likely work too so go that way I think!

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 3:02 PM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
> the internet date might be what you are looking for
>
>
> >
> > Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in
> different countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just
> missing something very obvious!
> >
> > Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
> >
> >    put the date into tDate
> >    convert tDate to seconds
> >    put tDate
> >
> > Returns 1335049200
> >
> > Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to
> a few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012
> 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
> >
> > Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but
> is there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the
> values stored are correct.
> >
> > Andy
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 22 17:19:29 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:19:29 -0600
Subject: Need advice on upgrading LiveCode and environment
Message-ID: <DBEE91AA-E6C6-43D0-94A3-A513975F8782@swcp.com>

I'm upgrading my development environment.  Based on the pain others seem to have gone through, I want to make a big jump.  However, I want to continue to build universal externals to support PPC and I'm concerned about multiple iOS external SDK installations.


My current setup on Snow Leopard:

For building stacks/apps/externals for Windows, OS X (Intel & PPC), and iOS 4.3 (actually Windows externals are made elsewhere)
LiveCode 4.6.4, Xcode 3.2.6, iOS Externals SDK R7

For building stacks/apps for Windows, OS X (Intel & PPC)
LiveCode 5.0.2


I'm thinking of keeping that (for PPC externals and maybe some compatibility issues for iOS) and then adding one of these for stacks/apps/externals for Windows, OS X Intel, iOS 5.1.

1.  Lion partition
LiveCode 5.5, Xcode 4.3.2, iOS external SDK R10

2.  Mountain Lion partition
LiveCode 5.5, Xcode 4.4, iOS external SDK R10


I suppose I could continue on my Snow Leopard boot, abandon building for iOS using Xcode 3.2.6 and move Xcode 3.2.6 to some folder for PPC externals only, and then move up to LC 5.5 (being careful about prefs and file formats), Xcode 4.2 for Snow Leopard, and R10 for all not PPP, but that will limit me to a 5.0 iOS simulator, I think.  

I welcome advice, wisecracks, contradictions of assumptions and so on.  Also, I well come success stories for similar scenarios.  I'm not sure if I have violated some agreement by suggesting development on Mountain Lion.  

Dar


From rjb at robelko.com  Sun Apr 22 17:23:19 2012
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:23:19 +0200
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802cbba26f27cbf@[192.168.1.94]>

On 22.04.2012 at 21:55 Uhr +0100 Andrew Henshaw apparently wrote:
>
>Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
>
>    put the date into tDate
>    convert tDate to seconds
>    put tDate
>
>Returns 1335049200
>
>Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that 
>in to a few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 
>Apr 2012 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.

You do not specify the time when setting tDate initially. You might 
want to set the time like 4 am.

Robert



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr 22 18:17:47 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:17:47 -0400
Subject: Need advice on upgrading LiveCode and environment
In-Reply-To: <DBEE91AA-E6C6-43D0-94A3-A513975F8782@swcp.com>
References: <DBEE91AA-E6C6-43D0-94A3-A513975F8782@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <F879CCF1-365A-4F7C-9143-EA0658FD88F4@verizon.net>

That's the same as my current setup, and I can build PPC, Intel, Universal, and Windows versions all at once. Of course, I can't test the PPC one, but could you not have a simple Mountain Lion setup for development, and keep and old Mac somewhere just for testing the PPC version?


On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> 2.  Mountain Lion partition
> LiveCode 5.5, Xcode 4.4, iOS external SDK R10



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 22 18:31:16 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:31:16 -0600
Subject: Need advice on upgrading LiveCode and environment
In-Reply-To: <F879CCF1-365A-4F7C-9143-EA0658FD88F4@verizon.net>
References: <DBEE91AA-E6C6-43D0-94A3-A513975F8782@swcp.com>
	<F879CCF1-365A-4F7C-9143-EA0658FD88F4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D1969299-8C6D-444A-9952-DCC3A7ADD180@swcp.com>

That is good news.  I have a test system for PPC.  I had gotten the impression that later versions of Xcode could not do PPC or universal externals.

However, I just realized that I can't install Mountain Lion Preview 3 on this computer.  So, I'm down to one and a half choices.

Dar

On Apr 22, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> That's the same as my current setup, and I can build PPC, Intel, Universal, and Windows versions all at once. Of course, I can't test the PPC one, but could you not have a simple Mountain Lion setup for development, and keep and old Mac somewhere just for testing the PPC version?
> 
> 
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2.  Mountain Lion partition
>> LiveCode 5.5, Xcode 4.4, iOS external SDK R10




From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Apr 22 19:39:44 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:39:44 -0400
Subject: Need advice on upgrading LiveCode and environment
In-Reply-To: <D1969299-8C6D-444A-9952-DCC3A7ADD180@swcp.com>
References: <DBEE91AA-E6C6-43D0-94A3-A513975F8782@swcp.com>
	<F879CCF1-365A-4F7C-9143-EA0658FD88F4@verizon.net>
	<D1969299-8C6D-444A-9952-DCC3A7ADD180@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CDD2398B-40D7-40B2-8F62-22BD94E164EB@verizon.net>

I'm not certain about the external commands part of the question. Some day soon I'll try the SDK, see what options I have,


On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> That is good news.  I have a test system for PPC.  I had gotten the impression that later versions of Xcode could not do PPC or universal externals.



From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Sun Apr 22 22:19:43 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
In-Reply-To: <D122A0B0-FF65-4645-B43C-5FC057FF83C4@mac.com>
References: <CDDABB42-D169-489D-87BC-161563CF9630@mac.com>
	<D122A0B0-FF65-4645-B43C-5FC057FF83C4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1335147583171-4579270.post@n4.nabble.com>


Graham Samuel-4 wrote
> 
> Thanks very much Hugh Senior, Ken Ray and Mark Smith for their solutions,
> which are going in my scrapbook and then of course into the relevant
> projects.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 

Hi Graham, I was thinking of writing up a quick piece on methods for
handling advisory text for the RevUp newsletter, but since you initiated
this thread I thought I should check with you first to make sure you weren't
already planning on doing that. Let me know.

Thanks

-- Mark

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From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 23:11:03 2012
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:11:03 -0500
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <668448B2-9B2B-4BB6-9B29-3B99F26B696E@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.1.1335114001.30945.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<668448B2-9B2B-4BB6-9B29-3B99F26B696E@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8D024248-7510-4327-A926-EE84D5812527@gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim!  I will take a peek.

J.


On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> Hi J,
> 
> LC can handle the game of 9 ball pool fairly well, and that is fairly computationally intensive--handling the collisions between multiple moving balls.
> 
>   You can find it at http://jamesphurley.com/Revolution.html
> 
> To download a stack from that web site, get the link and run this in the msg box
> 
> go url "[the link]"
> 
> There are a number of other simulations, in particular "Bouncing ball tools" at that web site  that deal with the complexities of collisions with walls in a convex polygon.
> 
> See also "Programmable Graphics"  in RevOnLine. There are 21 cards there demonstrating a variety of  animation problems.
> 
> Jim
> 
>> 
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:39:21 -0500
>> From: "J. Downs" <downs.david.j at gmail.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Animation
>> Message-ID: <18535F31-46C1-49B0-B6DB-870549D7FEB0 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> 
>> Hey, all.
>> 
>> I'd like to experiment with LC for some video game development.  Sprite animation with collision detection, vertical and horizontal landscape scrolling, etc.  Can LC keep up the pace when the number of on-screen objects gets to a dozen or more?  Need special add-ons like the Animation Engine, or can it all be done natively?  Any exceptional online tutorials, etc. you would recommend?
>> 
>> All help would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> J.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 04:07:56 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:07:56 +0800
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Andy,

As you've discovered seconds is based on GMT so it will cause differences
based on everyone's system settings, there are work arounds as suggested
but it may be easier just to:

put the date into tDate
convert tDate to dateItems
put tDate

The output will always be YYYY,MM,DD,HH,MM,SS,day of week, and if you
haven't included a time then, YYYY,MM,DD,0,0,0,day of week.

Regardless of the system setting, the GMT correction, or personal
preferences, you can always correctly determine the local date and time of
a users computer using dateItems.

HTH

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Andrew Henshaw <henshaw at me.com> wrote:

> Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in different
> countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing
> something very obvious!
>
> Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
>
>   put the date into tDate
>   convert tDate to seconds
>   put tDate
>
> Returns 1335049200
>
> Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to a
> few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012
> 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
>
> Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is
> there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the
> values stored are correct.
>
> Andy
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 04:31:14 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:31:14 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs via substacks?
Message-ID: <4F951352.40501@gmail.com>

Um:

--30 Day code--

if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
   set the lockScreen to true
     put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
     save stack "STAMP"
   set the lockScreen to false
end if

put the seconds into DAZE30
put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
if DAZE30 > (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
   set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
end if

--End 30 Day code--

This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my 
mainstack),

will it work in a standalone?

or, put another way,

will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 04:32:43 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:32:43 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
Message-ID: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>

Um:

--30 Day code--

if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
   set the lockScreen to true
     put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
     save stack "STAMP"
   set the lockScreen to false
end if

put the seconds into DAZE30
put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
if DAZE30 > (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
   set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
end if

--End 30 Day code--

This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my 
mainstack),

will it work in a standalone?

[NOT unless I remove that double 'into' . . .  :) ]

or, put another way,

will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 04:34:06 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:34:06 +0300
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9513FE.80400@gmail.com>

What happens if you do a "put the seconds" on a computer
that is not internet connected?

> Andy,
>
> As you've discovered seconds is based on GMT so it will cause differences
> based on everyone's system settings, there are work arounds as suggested
> but it may be easier just to:
>
> put the date into tDate
> convert tDate to dateItems
> put tDate
>
> The output will always be YYYY,MM,DD,HH,MM,SS,day of week, and if you
> haven't included a time then, YYYY,MM,DD,0,0,0,day of week.
>
> Regardless of the system setting, the GMT correction, or personal
> preferences, you can always correctly determine the local date and time of
> a users computer using dateItems.
>
> HTH
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Andrew Henshaw<henshaw at me.com>  wrote:
>
>> Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in different
>> countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing
>> something very obvious!
>>
>> Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
>>
>>    put the date into tDate
>>    convert tDate to seconds
>>    put tDate
>>
>> Returns 1335049200
>>
>> Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to a
>> few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012
>> 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
>>
>> Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is
>> there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the
>> values stored are correct.
>>
>> Andy
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr 23 04:37:45 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:37:45 +0200
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

Standalones can't write to themselves and thus your standalone can't save anything in a substack. You can create a separate stack file in a different folder, e.g. application data on Windows, Preferences on Mac OS X and the Home folder on Linux and save time stamp in that stack file.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.

On 23 apr 2012, at 10:32, Richmond wrote:

> Um:
> 
> --30 Day code--
> 
> if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
>  set the lockScreen to true
>    put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
>    save stack "STAMP"
>  set the lockScreen to false
> end if
> 
> put the seconds into DAZE30
> put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
> if DAZE30 > (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
>  set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
> end if
> 
> --End 30 Day code--
> 
> This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my mainstack),
> 
> will it work in a standalone?
> 
> [NOT unless I remove that double 'into' . . .  :) ]
> 
> or, put another way,
> 
> will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 04:45:46 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:45:46 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>

On 04/23/2012 11:37 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Standalones can't write to themselves and thus your standalone can't save anything in a substack. You can create a separate stack file in a different folder, e.g. application data on Windows, Preferences on Mac OS X and the Home folder on Linux and save time stamp in that stack file.

Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating 
about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.

>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.
>
> On 23 apr 2012, at 10:32, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Um:
>>
>> --30 Day code--
>>
>> if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
>>   set the lockScreen to true
>>     put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
>>     save stack "STAMP"
>>   set the lockScreen to false
>> end if
>>
>> put the seconds into DAZE30
>> put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
>> if DAZE30>  (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
>>   set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
>> end if
>>
>> --End 30 Day code--
>>
>> This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my mainstack),
>>
>> will it work in a standalone?
>>
>> [NOT unless I remove that double 'into' . . .  :) ]
>>
>> or, put another way,
>>
>> will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 04:47:00 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:47:00 +0800
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <4F9513FE.80400@gmail.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9513FE.80400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjhnOCXgeb3-F866Y7kDr2SESZU9cWk4eoJ6wYLxEeqdw@mail.gmail.com>

What always happens.

On a Mac, when you set it up it will ask you where you live and give you a
map, from the Time Zone tab of the Date & Time preference pane to click on.
Once you provided the answer, and assuming you've given it the correct time
to start with, it will calculate UTC (politically correct version of GMT).
>From then on, even if you don't update the system or connect it to the
internet it will adjust for daylight savings if your region has such a
thing.

Of course if you never update the system or connect it to the internet,
should your region decide to change the date that daylight savings starts
and finished on, your computer will no longer change to/from daylight
savings time appropriately.

HTH

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> What happens if you do a "put the seconds" on a computer
> that is not internet connected?
>
>
>  Andy,
>>
>> As you've discovered seconds is based on GMT so it will cause differences
>> based on everyone's system settings, there are work arounds as suggested
>> but it may be easier just to:
>>
>> put the date into tDate
>> convert tDate to dateItems
>> put tDate
>>
>> The output will always be YYYY,MM,DD,HH,MM,SS,day of week, and if you
>> haven't included a time then, YYYY,MM,DD,0,0,0,day of week.
>>
>> Regardless of the system setting, the GMT correction, or personal
>> preferences, you can always correctly determine the local date and time of
>> a users computer using dateItems.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Andrew Henshaw<henshaw at me.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in
>>> different
>>> countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing
>>> something very obvious!
>>>
>>> Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
>>>
>>>   put the date into tDate
>>>   convert tDate to seconds
>>>   put tDate
>>>
>>> Returns 1335049200
>>>
>>> Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to
>>> a
>>> few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012
>>> 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
>>>
>>> Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is
>>> there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the
>>> values stored are correct.
>>>
>>> Andy
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From henshaw at me.com  Mon Apr 23 05:05:29 2012
From: henshaw at me.com (Andrew Henshaw)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:05:29 +0100
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3075474-E866-45D1-8BB6-72B9C3FBAD48@me.com>

Thanks everyone,

From all the tests this seems to be the best option,  but converting the date to the date items it comes back reliably with the same date and time on all settings ive tried,  eg UK and US,  switching the computers date in and out of daylight savings time etc.

Its odd as I had expected  livecode to convert the seconds to and from a date in the same way as all the online tools that convert unix time based on seconds since the epoch,  but apparently it does depend on which format you convert to as to what time it is. 

Dateitems works fine though!

Thanks

Andy


On 23 Apr 2012, at 09:07, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Andy,
> 
> As you've discovered seconds is based on GMT so it will cause differences
> based on everyone's system settings, there are work arounds as suggested
> but it may be easier just to:
> 
> put the date into tDate
> convert tDate to dateItems
> put tDate
> 
> The output will always be YYYY,MM,DD,HH,MM,SS,day of week, and if you
> haven't included a time then, YYYY,MM,DD,0,0,0,day of week.
> 
> Regardless of the system setting, the GMT correction, or personal
> preferences, you can always correctly determine the local date and time of
> a users computer using dateItems.
> 
> HTH
> 
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Andrew Henshaw <henshaw at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Trying to work with seconds to avoid format issues with dates in different
>> countries I keep running into this issue,  and im probably just missing
>> something very obvious!
>> 
>> Using the following simple code today (the 22nd April)..
>> 
>>  put the date into tDate
>>  convert tDate to seconds
>>  put tDate
>> 
>> Returns 1335049200
>> 
>> Id expect to get a result of 22nd April,  but instead Ive fed that in to a
>> few online UNIX time converters and they all return Sat, 21 Apr 2012
>> 23:00:00 GMT which is an hour into the previous day.
>> 
>> Im assuming its something to do with GMT / daylight savings time,  but is
>> there a reliable way to get and use the seconds.  Id like to ensure the
>> values stored are correct.
>> 
>> Andy
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From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Mon Apr 23 05:05:40 2012
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:05:40 +0200
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs via substacks?
In-Reply-To: <4F951352.40501@gmail.com>
References: <4F951352.40501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3812D875-C81C-4BDE-98AF-A0F832EFA57F@sahores-conseil.com>

Richmond,

The best way to go is to call the DAZE30 function from your standalone and compare it with a TSTAMP reference stored on the cloud so your customers won't find any local file to delete to get a way to bypass your 30 days try-period key.

HTH,

Le 23 avr. 2012 ? 10:31, Richmond a ?crit :

> Um:
> 
> --30 Day code--
> 
> if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
>  set the lockScreen to true
>    put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
>    save stack "STAMP"
>  set the lockScreen to false
> end if
> 
> put the seconds into DAZE30
> put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
> if DAZE30 > (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
>  set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
> end if
> 
> --End 30 Day code--
> 
> This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my mainstack),
> 
> will it work in a standalone?
> 
> or, put another way,
> 
> will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:21:19 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:21:19 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F951F0F.8070206@gmail.com>

On 04/23/2012 11:37 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Standalones can't write to themselves and thus your standalone can't save anything in a substack. You can create a separate stack file in a different folder, e.g. application data on Windows, Preferences on Mac OS X and the Home folder on Linux and save time stamp in that stack file.

And, I suppose storing a time-stamp in a custom property will, 
similarly, "evaporate" when a standalone is quitted?

>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.
>
> On 23 apr 2012, at 10:32, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Um:
>>
>> --30 Day code--
>>
>> if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
>>   set the lockScreen to true
>>     put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
>>     save stack "STAMP"
>>   set the lockScreen to false
>> end if
>>
>> put the seconds into DAZE30
>> put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
>> if DAZE30>  (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
>>   set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
>> end if
>>
>> --End 30 Day code--
>>
>> This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my mainstack),
>>
>> will it work in a standalone?
>>
>> [NOT unless I remove that double 'into' . . .  :) ]
>>
>> or, put another way,
>>
>> will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr 23 05:30:04 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:30:04 +0200
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F951F0F.8070206@gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F951F0F.8070206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20543CD1-1CC0-4F1D-9796-462D7F3CC928@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Yes, it will. 

I would use a time limitation using a separate file together with a functional limitation, e.g. the inability to save documents. Actually, I rarely use time limitations for my own products, because I believe that every time a user starts up your software is a potential sale. I regularly get requests such as "please send me my license for Str?m Flow Chart Software quickly because I want to save my work" :-)

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On 23 apr 2012, at 11:21, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/23/2012 11:37 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>> 
>> Standalones can't write to themselves and thus your standalone can't save anything in a substack. You can create a separate stack file in a different folder, e.g. application data on Windows, Preferences on Mac OS X and the Home folder on Linux and save time stamp in that stack file.
> 
> And, I suppose storing a time-stamp in a custom property will, similarly, "evaporate" when a standalone is quitted?
> 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:34:01 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:34:01 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <20543CD1-1CC0-4F1D-9796-462D7F3CC928@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F951F0F.8070206@gmail.com>
	<20543CD1-1CC0-4F1D-9796-462D7F3CC928@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F952209.3070007@gmail.com>

On 04/23/2012 12:30 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, it will.
>
> I would use a time limitation using a separate file together with a functional limitation, e.g. the inability to save documents. Actually, I rarely use time limitations for my own products, because I believe that every time a user starts up your software is a potential sale. I regularly get requests such as "please send me my license for Str?m Flow Chart Software quickly because I want to save my work" :-)

That is certainly a thought. Thanks.

>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.
>
> On 23 apr 2012, at 11:21, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 04/23/2012 11:37 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>>
>>> Standalones can't write to themselves and thus your standalone can't save anything in a substack. You can create a separate stack file in a different folder, e.g. application data on Windows, Preferences on Mac OS X and the Home folder on Linux and save time stamp in that stack file.
>> And, I suppose storing a time-stamp in a custom property will, similarly, "evaporate" when a standalone is quitted?
>>
>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:42:58 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:42:58 +0900
Subject: install fail inconsistent certificates (Android)
In-Reply-To: <006401cd1f6a$fb66dfb0$f2349f10$@net>
References: <CAGeTkxmr=LPHtN=MULULgZXQXUcS-kjU=6iFSgLU_dVs+nnjwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006401cd1f6a$fb66dfb0$f2349f10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxn4ShAw=azsEcwmCnwPVRjrXj487U9bujhay5a-FORbsA@mail.gmail.com>

> The development certificate is dynamically created in the .android folder.
> So every machine will have a different one. You could try copying the
> debug.keystore from one machine to all the others and overwrite the one that
> had been created on the other machines. Never tried it but it might work.

That did the trick. Thanks, Ralph.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 06:02:07 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:02:07 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs via substacks?
In-Reply-To: <3812D875-C81C-4BDE-98AF-A0F832EFA57F@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <4F951352.40501@gmail.com>
	<3812D875-C81C-4BDE-98AF-A0F832EFA57F@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <4F95289F.30102@gmail.com>

In the clouds, baby!

That presupposes that my target demographic are all connected, 
permanently, to the internet; and they are not.

> Richmond,
>
> The best way to go is to call the DAZE30 function from your standalone and compare it with a TSTAMP reference stored on the cloud so your customers won't find any local file to delete to get a way to bypass your 30 days try-period key.
>
> HTH,
>
> Le 23 avr. 2012 ? 10:31, Richmond a ?crit :
>
>> Um:
>>
>> --30 Day code--
>>
>> if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
>>   set the lockScreen to true
>>     put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
>>     save stack "STAMP"
>>   set the lockScreen to false
>> end if
>>
>> put the seconds into DAZE30
>> put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
>> if DAZE30>  (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
>>   set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
>> end if
>>
>> --End 30 Day code--
>>
>> This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my mainstack),
>>
>> will it work in a standalone?
>>
>> or, put another way,
>>
>> will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Mon Apr 23 07:45:05 2012
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:45:05 +0200
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs
Message-ID: <6917DFBB-A8DF-4CC0-ACA4-9316AD7C7652@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Richmond wrote :

> Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.

Richmond, forgive me if I am being obtuse, but I don't see the problem.

Create a coded file in an obscure place with an obscure name, and
with an old creation and modification date. You don't even have
to hide it !
This file is effectively "floating around" on the users system, but
I doubt if he can find it and delete it.
The work-around is to set an old systems date every time you boot your
system, but that can lead to unforetold problems

Of course, if you create a non-coded file with todays date, with a
name like "This is Richmonds 30 Day Demo Check File", and put it in
the Preferences Folder, then you are asking for trouble !

........ Unless there is something I haven't understood ......

Best Regards

-Francis



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr 23 07:51:11 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:51:11 +0200
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs
In-Reply-To: <6917DFBB-A8DF-4CC0-ACA4-9316AD7C7652@wanadoo.fr>
References: <6917DFBB-A8DF-4CC0-ACA4-9316AD7C7652@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <9BC008A2-9EA0-4923-B809-328D5462F379@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Francis,

Using software that keeps a list of all existing files, it is easy to find newly created files. This way, it is very easy to find preferences files and "secret" license files.

On the other hand, I believe that only very few people actually do this. Most people just delete the software if they don't like it or obtain a license if they do like it.

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We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.

On 23 apr 2012, at 13:45, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
> 
> Richmond wrote :
> 
>> Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
>> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
>> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.
> 
> Richmond, forgive me if I am being obtuse, but I don't see the problem.
> 
> Create a coded file in an obscure place with an obscure name, and
> with an old creation and modification date. You don't even have
> to hide it !
> This file is effectively "floating around" on the users system, but
> I doubt if he can find it and delete it.
> The work-around is to set an old systems date every time you boot your
> system, but that can lead to unforetold problems
> 
> Of course, if you create a non-coded file with todays date, with a
> name like "This is Richmonds 30 Day Demo Check File", and put it in
> the Preferences Folder, then you are asking for trouble !
> 
> ........ Unless there is something I haven't understood ......
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> -Francis




From barryb at libero.it  Mon Apr 23 10:38:54 2012
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:38:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Animation
Message-ID: <26411264.5959711335191934008.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Dear J.Downs

Derek Bump  posted "Building a Side-Scrolling Game in Revolution" in this list on September 10th 2009 you can find the whole message at the list archives, 
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2009-September/128220.html
and then download the stack from his site from the link given there.

Wait, hold on! His site states that it is Closed Down due to change of activity. Thats a pity, we will all miss the stacks he often offered for our delight and the help he gave to many. Best wishes Derek in your new venture.

 J, if you would like the stack, please write me offline and I will send 
you a copy. My grandsons love it despite the hours they spend on Nintendo!
Barry 

From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Apr 23 11:09:04 2012
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Animation
In-Reply-To: <26411264.5959711335191934008.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <6BD50D9D-0759-4044-9AFC-B2B3E402BA9C@videotron.ca>
	<4F92FA18.2060203@fourthworld.com> <4F93E5AE.2010609@pdslabs.net>
	<18535F31-46C1-49B0-B6DB-870549D7FEB0@gmail.com>
	<26411264.5959711335191934008.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <1335193744238-4580699.post@n4.nabble.com>

Dereks game can be found on 
rev-online
http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/359/Side-Scrolling-Game-Test

If rev-online works for you from within LiveCode then you can also access it
from "user samples"
or menu "Development" -> Rev Online

Kind regards

Bernd

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 23 11:11:13 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:11:13 -0700
Subject: Livecode blows a Raspberry?
In-Reply-To: <1335069341385-4577655.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1335069341385-4577655.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4F957111.7080801@fourthworld.com>

varvar chemrama wrote:

> Re: Livecode blows a Raspberry? LiveCode does not currently support ARM/Linux
> (as opposed to (de facto) ARM/Android).
>
> OK, I had made the original request in January  to LiveCode Dev for a
> ARM/Linux port, anticipating release of the Raspberry Pi.

If you're in the dev program you may wish to add your votes to this 
request for an ARM Linux engine:
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1559>

However:

> I have no idea what RunRev thinks of all of this, but given the recent
> press release where I understand that LiveCode is going to be adopted
> as the programming IDE in schools in a major school district close to
> Cambridge, they should pay attention to Raspberry Pi and Eben Upton's
> stated mission of promoting interest in computing among school age children,
> and port LiveCode to ARM/Linux.

At this time, both models of the Raspberry Pi ship with only 256MB RAM, 
and to keep costs down they use a version of ARM so old that not even 
Ubuntu can run on it.

So while I agree there is some usefulness in an ARM compile of 
LiveCode's Linux engine, it would not be for the Raspberry Pi because 
the system specs won't support the sort of GUI work that makes LC 
uniquely valuable.

For teaching, as much as I enjoy LiveCode I would have to suggest that 
if I were in charge of such decisions for a school district I would 
choose Python or JavaScript as a beginning language, because they're 
both entirely free and so widely used that the skills will be more 
immediately transferable to professional work if the student wishes to 
pursue that.

Of course this isn't to suggest that LC can't be used professionally. 
On the contrary, it's been a key component of my own profession for more 
than a decade.  But in a world in which most popular languages are free 
and open (C, C++, Lua, Ruby, PHP, JavaScript, Python, etc.) it becomes 
difficult to justify LC as a first language in cost-sensitive settings 
like public schools, no matter how valuable it is as a second language.

All of those languages can be used on a Raspberry Pi.

I've been parting out low-cost systems for running LiveCode on x86, and 
so far the cheapest system I can come up with using off-the-shelf parts 
from outlets like NewEgg is about US$160.   While that's many times more 
expensive than the Pi it's also a much more capable system, with 2 GB 
RAM and a 30 GB SSD driven by a Via PV530 (which has a Passmark score 
roughly on par with the Atom 230 I use here in my Lenovo Q110 as a test 
server; not a powerhouse, but quite adequate for such needs).  And with 
the x86 instruction set it can run not only LiveCode but pretty much any 
other x86 program; one can even enjoy the simplicity of installing new 
software from the Ubuntu Software Center, as opposed to the Raspberry Pi 
experience which will likely require some competence with Bash to use 
effectively.

So while Raspberry Pi is a bit of a non-starter for serious GUI 
development such as LiveCode excels at, here you provide an interesting 
alternative:

> If they do not, all is not lost since the
> Android/ARM gadgets are also in freefall as far as prices are concerned.
> When I attended the MIT ARM
> Dev Conference in February, Eben was very candid about how the Foundation's
> objectives vis-a-vis hardware had changed. Originally, they wanted
> everything to be sourced in  the U.K., I believe. But they soon found out
> that this was not going to be cost effective , and after much debate,
> decided to OEM from China. Well, the Raspberry may be the cheapest computer
> in the world, but you need display, keyboard,  etc., and that adds $ to the
> cost.
>
> If you do a diligent Google search, you will find OEMs in China offering
> Android tablets at a cost of between $75 and $90 at the time I am posting
> this--it drops every few days! What is the advantage of an Android tablet?
> Most of them throw in the wireless interface and you do not need a display
> or keyboard. So, you may not get the world's tiniest SBC/COM but you
> certainly get a very low power, high res display all-in-one gadget, somewhat
> more "open" than the Pi [it was my understanding from the MIT presentation
> that certain parts of the Raspberry hardware engine , esp display drivers
> and graphics,  were proprietary.] The Android tablets are all fairly generic
> standard "clones."! Thus, LiveCode will run effortlessly on these low cost
> machines, as I have determined from my tests. (Make sure that the OS is >
> 2.3 though!)

On the developer list Monte Goulding suggested that we end-users 
consider pitching in to develop an IDE suitable for use on Android, in 
the hopes that if such an IDE were available RunRev may see the benefit 
in allow the development version of the engine to be run there.

This is no small feat, however, since the single-window nature of mobile 
UIs will require us to re-think nearly everything about what an IDE 
means, either settling for intensely modal UIs or dynamically copying 
groups of IDE controls into the developer's stack as it's being developed.

Daunting as the prospect is, I still find it attractive and would be 
willing to lend a hand if someone were in a position to take the lead on 
such an effort.


> A final remark, again based on my testing, check out this company (Genesi
> http://www.genesi-usa.com/products http://www.genesi-usa.com/products )
> that makes the EFIKA, A FULL ARM SBC IN A  slim CASE/box  that weighs approx
> 250 g, has a HDMI port, a USB port, Wired AND wireless ethernet, and a SD
> card slot , runs Linux off internal flash RAM but boots Android (build
> supplied by  Genesi) from the SD card. This elegant gadget costs $130 but I
> am sure the company will look at ways to bring prices even lower. I got a
> simple LiveCode app working effortlessly on the EFIKA.

A tempting option, but for a development system its price is close 
enough to what one can assemble with low-cost x86 motherboards like the 
Via Nano and PV530 models that we might just spend the extra $30 and 
take a few minutes to snap together the parts from NewEgg.

With an x86-based system you can use the existing LiveCode IDE right now.

And for just a few dollars more you could build a system using the Atom 
D525 for performance on par with some Core 2 Duo systems, or even better 
use the latest Cedar Trail Atom CPUs like the D2700 built with a 32nm 
process to deliver two cores with hyperthreaded performance with a 
maximum TDP of just 10W.

For a quick comparison of such options, check out these mobos:

Via PV530 CPU, 20W TDP, 100 Mbps Ethernet, US$56.99
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157209>

Atom D525 CPU, 13W TDP, Gigabit Ethernet, US$74.99
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442>

Atom D2700 CPU, 10W TDP, Gigabit Ethernet, US$79.99
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157308>

I've been accumulating some info on low-cost systems like this which 
I'll be sharing with the community in some articles at 
LiveCodeJournal.com soon.   With prices ranging from $160 to $400, 
there's a surprising variety of very useful low-power systems that can 
run the LiveCode IDE, along with LAMP and pretty much anything else 
you'd need in a research server.


> Pardon the grammar and punctuation, and I am sorry if I have violated any
> post etiquette or posted in the wrong forum--I do not post very often.

Not to worry:  your English is far better than that of many Americans. ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 11:23:12 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:23:12 +0200
Subject: Augmented reality
In-Reply-To: <35285FD2-2AEC-4AD4-BC27-C3D3762CE159@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <651543FF-28B9-40E3-94CA-2E95FDC9B1F5@gmail.com>
	<35285FD2-2AEC-4AD4-BC27-C3D3762CE159@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO-BtEz_Qhz1MZ_9Rk055bY+b+ARA2zTCar=Y1823xVpsA@mail.gmail.com>

Monte you are right, it is too early ask for samples.
However, in theory, do you think is it possible to create an Augmented
Reality application using your external to manage the Relevant Points
on the map?
All the best
Paolo



From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 11:37:01 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:37:01 +0200
Subject: Streaming video in a multi platform application
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>

What's the best solution in LiveCode to show  Streaming Videos ?
Consider an application  (for Mac, Windows and Mobile) with a
player/window to show videos coming from a Streaming Server.

The iOS video player is reliable?
How can I show videos in a Windows and MAC applications ?

All the best
Paolo



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Apr 23 11:43:09 2012
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:43:09 -0700
Subject: in-App Reviews
Message-ID: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!

I would like to prompt the user to rate my app.  Something like every 10 launches the app throws a dialog asking the user if they want to leave a positive review.  If they tap "Yes", note that somewhere so we don't as them again.  How do you do this?

Several questions come to mind:

(1) Do you just go to the app's url?  Launching Safari with the app's url (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id123456789)
(2) How do you get the app ID that Apple assigns your app when it's approved?

Has anyone done something like this?  If so, how did you do it!

Thanks in advance!

-Dan


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr 23 11:59:13 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:59:13 +0200
Subject: Streaming video in a multi platform application
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <755DEBE9-CE13-414E-A143-ADF5C6F337EE@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Paolo,

I don't know what is "best", but the rtsp protocol with a video  
format that QuickTime understands works fine on Mac and Windows,  
provided that QuickTime is installed.

I would expect this to work on iOS as well but I haven't tried that  
with LC yet.

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com

Op 23-apr-2012, om 17:37 heeft paolo mazza het volgende geschreven:

> What's the best solution in LiveCode to show  Streaming Videos ?
> Consider an application  (for Mac, Windows and Mobile) with a
> player/window to show videos coming from a Streaming Server.
>
> The iOS video player is reliable?
> How can I show videos in a Windows and MAC applications ?
>
> All the best
> Paolo





From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 23 12:09:42 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:09:42 -0700
Subject: in-App Reviews
In-Reply-To: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <388C38A5-AE18-4AC8-9194-65EE60A406DA@twft.com>

Just make sure you give the user a Never Ask Me Again option. An app that keeps asking me to review it or upgrade it is irritating to me. Parallels does that, and they do have a Don't Ask Again checkbox, but it only applies to THAT particular version of Parallels, and when there is a minor update, it resets the ad. Grrrr!!!

Bob


On Apr 23, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Dan Friedman wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
> I would like to prompt the user to rate my app.  Something like every 10 launches the app throws a dialog asking the user if they want to leave a positive review.  If they tap "Yes", note that somewhere so we don't as them again.  How do you do this?
> 
> Several questions come to mind:
> 
> (1) Do you just go to the app's url?  Launching Safari with the app's url (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id123456789)
> (2) How do you get the app ID that Apple assigns your app when it's approved?
> 
> Has anyone done something like this?  If so, how did you do it!
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -Dan
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 12:13:52 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:13:52 -0400
Subject: in-App Reviews
In-Reply-To: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <194F5DBA-4F06-4923-BC1F-694F2E3557B4@verizon.net>

You can use a shared object to note whether the user has previously clicked on your Write Review button, or perhaps on the Never Ask Me Again button.

Here's the code I use to go directly from within my app to the list of reviews for the app in the App Store app:

public function toreview() {
	goURL("itms-apps://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewContentsUserReviews?type=Purple+Software&id=514220257");
}		

public function goURL(url:String) {
	navigateToURL(new URLRequest(url),"_blank");
}

The 514220257 is the code for my app, you will know your ID as you start to enter details in the App Store. The Upload App part comes later than when you are given the ID, so you can do one last build with the correct link.






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 23 12:15:55 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:15:55 -0500
Subject: in-App Reviews
In-Reply-To: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <4F95803B.2020501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/23/12 10:43 AM, Dan Friedman wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I would like to prompt the user to rate my app.  Something like every
> 10 launches the app throws a dialog asking the user if they want to
> leave a positive review.

I'd think twice about that. At least on Android, people detest it and 
will degrade the app rating if the developer spams them with requests 
for reviews. Some people have deleted the app entirely because of it and 
left a scathing review. If they get irritated when your dialog pops up, 
you've provided a convenient way for them to go directly to the App 
Store and tell you off.

A better approach is to put something into an About screen or possibly 
the settings card that provides a link to the app store URL. People 
don't seem to mind that so much.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 12:52:21 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:52:21 -0400
Subject: in-App Reviews
In-Reply-To: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <33B52CBC-FDD7-4D20-9366-B3422CFE2A30@verizon.net>

My answer no doubt confused everyone! There is someone on a Flash list I'm on that has a similar name to Dan, and I though I was reading that list. The solution still applies, in LiveCode you should be able to do this:

launch url "itms-apps://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewContentsUserReviews?type=Purple+Software&id=514220257"

where the 514220257 part would be your app's ID.

However, in the Simulator it seems not to work. Not sure if it will work on a device.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 13:11:46 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:11:46 +0300
Subject: Journalism
Message-ID: <4F958D52.2000206@gmail.com>

"There are now over 60 universities in the UK offering BA honours 
degrees in journalism."

http://www.city.ac.uk/arts/journalism

Leeds:  http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/ug/

"Journalism Studies at Sheffield also ranked 1st under the Times Good 
University Guide 2009 subject league table for Communications and Media 
Studies."

http://www.shef.ac.uk/journalism/prospectiveug

http://www.shef.ac.uk/journalism/prospectiveug/ba_structure

GERMANY:

http://www.djs-online.de/





From tolistim at me.com  Mon Apr 23 13:17:45 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:17:45 -0700
Subject: Journalism
In-Reply-To: <4F958D52.2000206@gmail.com>
References: <4F958D52.2000206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <283D41A9-B4CF-414B-98EF-E4CE109F8956@me.com>

Spam??? Someone's email account has been hacked?

Otherwise, how is this apropos to LiveCode?

On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Richmond wrote:

> "There are now over 60 universities in the UK offering BA honours degrees in journalism."





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 13:28:40 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:28:40 +0300
Subject: Journalism
In-Reply-To: <283D41A9-B4CF-414B-98EF-E4CE109F8956@me.com>
References: <4F958D52.2000206@gmail.com>
	<283D41A9-B4CF-414B-98EF-E4CE109F8956@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F959148.3030409@gmail.com>

On 04/23/2012 08:17 PM, Tim Jones wrote:

Err; sorry; nobody's e-mail has been hacked, but my fingers slipped and 
posted this message to the wrong place.

> Spam??? Someone's email account has been hacked?
>
> Otherwise, how is this apropos to LiveCode?
>
> On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> "There are now over 60 universities in the UK offering BA honours degrees in journalism."
>
>
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Mon Apr 23 13:33:00 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
References: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1335202380229-4581155.post@n4.nabble.com>


Roger Guay wrote
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so
> myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have
> to go to my downloads page to get it:
> 
> Roger
> 

Roger, your stuff is always so cool!

-- Mark

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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 16:13:25 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (Paolo Mazza)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:13:25 +0200
Subject: Streaming video in a multi platform application
In-Reply-To: <755DEBE9-CE13-414E-A143-ADF5C6F337EE@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<755DEBE9-CE13-414E-A143-ADF5C6F337EE@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C6D1FEB-3325-4471-A3A6-59456561B890@gmail.com>

Hi Mark,
Unfortunately most of win-pc have not Quick Time. Any other solution?
All the best
Paolo 

Il giorno 23/apr/2012, alle ore 17:59, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> ha scritto:

> Hi Paolo,
> 
> I don't know what is "best", but the rtsp protocol with a video format that QuickTime understands works fine on Mac and Windows, provided that QuickTime is installed.
> 
> I would expect this to work on iOS as well but I haven't tried that with LC yet.
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk
> Consultancy and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com
> 
> Op 23-apr-2012, om 17:37 heeft paolo mazza het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> What's the best solution in LiveCode to show  Streaming Videos ?
>> Consider an application  (for Mac, Windows and Mobile) with a
>> player/window to show videos coming from a Streaming Server.
>> 
>> The iOS video player is reliable?
>> How can I show videos in a Windows and MAC applications ?



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Mon Apr 23 16:31:35 2012
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:31:35 +0200
Subject: Streaming video in a multi platform application
In-Reply-To: <4C6D1FEB-3325-4471-A3A6-59456561B890@gmail.com>
References: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<755DEBE9-CE13-414E-A143-ADF5C6F337EE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C6D1FEB-3325-4471-A3A6-59456561B890@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <229415BD-7B4A-416D-AC65-B8C05215B215@mines-paristech.fr>

my son is a student in 3D and video effects, and his teachers advise the students to export their video to .mp4 format for best compatibility, which is I think MPEG 4 without the quicktime embedding. The following movie has been finalized on windows and plays fine in Safari on my mac. Give it a try for testing if you like.
http://www.graphisme-chaplais.fr/Graphisme_Chaplais/Videos_files/Atelier_Demo_1.mp4
I realize this is not streaming in the strict sense, but the remark on file format should hold.
Best,
	Fran?ois
Le 23 avr. 2012 ? 22:13, Paolo Mazza a ?crit :

> Hi Mark,
> Unfortunately most of win-pc have not Quick Time. Any other solution?
> All the best
> Paolo 
> 
> Il giorno 23/apr/2012, alle ore 17:59, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> ha scritto:
> 
>> Hi Paolo,
>> 
>> I don't know what is "best", but the rtsp protocol with a video format that QuickTime understands works fine on Mac and Windows, provided that QuickTime is installed.
>> 
>> I would expect this to work on iOS as well but I haven't tried that with LC yet.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Economy-x-Talk
>> Consultancy and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>> 
>> Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com
>> 
>> Op 23-apr-2012, om 17:37 heeft paolo mazza het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> What's the best solution in LiveCode to show  Streaming Videos ?
>>> Consider an application  (for Mac, Windows and Mobile) with a
>>> player/window to show videos coming from a Streaming Server.
>>> 
>>> The iOS video player is reliable?
>>> How can I show videos in a Windows and MAC applications ?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Apr 23 16:40:12 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:40:12 +1000
Subject: Augmented reality
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO-BtEz_Qhz1MZ_9Rk055bY+b+ARA2zTCar=Y1823xVpsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <651543FF-28B9-40E3-94CA-2E95FDC9B1F5@gmail.com>
	<35285FD2-2AEC-4AD4-BC27-C3D3762CE159@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CA+NEnO-BtEz_Qhz1MZ_9Rk055bY+b+ARA2zTCar=Y1823xVpsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04E39FF3-9812-413F-AFDA-6C65FEB2378C@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Paolo

You get callbacks when the use selects, deselects and taps the annotation callout. One thing you could do is have the map in part of your screen and when the user selects an annotation ask a question about that location on the other part of the screen. If they get the answer right you could add another annotation to the map for the next step in the game. Is that the kind of thing you mean? You could also calculate their proximity to the annotation before letting them see the question.

Cheers
On 24/04/2012, at 1:23 AM, paolo mazza wrote:

> Monte you are right, it is too early ask for samples.
> However, in theory, do you think is it possible to create an Augmented
> Reality application using your external to manage the Relevant Points
> on the map?
> All the best
> Paolo
> 
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Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Mon Apr 23 16:39:18 2012
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:39:18 +0200
Subject: Streaming video in a multi platform application
In-Reply-To: <4C6D1FEB-3325-4471-A3A6-59456561B890@gmail.com>
References: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<755DEBE9-CE13-414E-A143-ADF5C6F337EE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C6D1FEB-3325-4471-A3A6-59456561B890@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D077AA7-F004-40B7-BBE4-AA386025FD36@mines-paristech.fr>

It also plays on the iPhone (I just checked)
F.
Le 23 avr. 2012 ? 22:13, Paolo Mazza a ?crit :

> Hi Mark,
> Unfortunately most of win-pc have not Quick Time. Any other solution?
> All the best
> Paolo 




From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 19:18:11 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:18:11 +0900
Subject: reposition single-line text to the left or right?
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

On the keyboard I made for my Android app, a typed letter gets added
after the last typed letter onto a single-line text field (locked and
wrap off). When the string of letters reaches the field's far-right,
newly typed letters of course get added but out of sight off-field.

Is there an LC way (without relying on horizontal scroll) to move left
the text-string/line as each new letter gets added to the end of the
string? Likewise, shifted right when deleting last letters?

Thanks.
--
Nicolas Cueto



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 20:39:09 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:39:09 +0800
Subject: Working with seconds, what am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <F3075474-E866-45D1-8BB6-72B9C3FBAD48@me.com>
References: <3BA1964F-3AF5-4472-854E-62D5655A6D02@me.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9Rnb90n17frRmSHQB8iuEVPepvyzDC8jbVXgvUX=EiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3075474-E866-45D1-8BB6-72B9C3FBAD48@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjHgrT1yiV49CHq8cCvAoCFPB_2UCgD6UhEciB1Kcp9KA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Andrew Henshaw <henshaw at me.com> wrote:

>
> Its odd as I had expected  livecode to convert the seconds to and from a
> date in the same way as all the online tools that convert unix time based
> on seconds since the epoch,  but apparently it does depend on which format
> you convert to as to what time it is.
>
> I think you may have just needed to do a little more checking.

I went to this website:

http://www.epochconverter.com/

and input your number: 1335049200

and it came up with, as you say: 21 Apr 2012 23:00:00 GMT, BUT it also came
up with 22 Apr 2012 07 19:00:00 which is the time corrected for the time
zone I'm currently in.

I then test in Terminal on OS X with:

$ date -r 1335049200

and the it came back: Sun 22 Apr 2012 19:00:00 EDT - a local time, NOT a
GMT time.

I then tested using the -u option:

$ date -ur 1335049200

and it came back: Sat 21 Apr 2012 23:00:00 UTC - as per your online
converters.

All you are seeing when you use an online converter is that they've
probably set the -u option so the output is UTC (GMT) rather than the
default time zone, which would have been where ever the server is located.

What you don't appreciate is that this is because they haven't gone to the
trouble, as www.epochconverter.com obviously did, to write the extra code
to search your computer to find what time zone you're in to output the
conversion into something more usable to you. The helpful people at RunRev
have done that for you with LiveCode.

Terminal and LiveCode (which I'm guessing is simply using OS X underlying
Unix for the answer) base all their 'seconds' on the same Epoch as the
online Unix converters you have used. The only difference is, Terminal and
LiveCode KNOW what time zone your computer is in so give you the answer
relative to your time zone. This is actually what you want for ALL date and
time manipulation presented to a user.

Where dates and time become tricky is when you are trying to compare them
between different users located around the world.

My general rule of thumb is:

If you are only interested in avoiding confusion surround date formats (is
2/4/12 2nd Apr or Feb 4th) then use dateItems.
If time is involved, the start with internet date (as it includes the UTC
(GMT) offset) and then convert to dateItems and apply appropriate UTC
conversions.

If you haven't gathered, I love LiveCode and dateItems. It makes it so easy
to figure out what date and time it was 83 days 98 hours 76 min ago in
India, which has an offset of UTC + 5hrs 30 min. Actually it's not that
hard with seconds, but dateItems just gel with my simple mind.

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 21:04:21 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:04:21 +0800
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.
>

I'm assuming then you must have some sort of licensing system for those who
wish to go beyond the demo. How does this work? Surely your demo licensing
system must be based aound it.

I'm out of my depth here because I only develop for a very small circle of
users (more like a dot really;-) so licensing isn't an issue, but I thought
the whole concept of the Splash stack was to get around the limitation of a
stack not being able to save to itself. Once you have a Splash-Working
stack arrangement you can save your rego info in an encrypted sub-stack, as
a customProp so it isn't available to prying eyes to throw away or amend.


From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 23:20:25 2012
From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
References: <DD28EFBF-B9E1-4C2D-A256-7CD8569A570B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1335237625137-4582321.post@n4.nabble.com>

Soooo easy! Thanks!
Tom Bodine

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From barrysum at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr 23 23:53:54 2012
From: barrysum at bigpond.net.au (Barry G. Sumpter)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:53:54 +1000
Subject: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser using
	google maps?
Message-ID: <000c01cd21cd$de76eac0$9b64c040$@bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

I'm using the LC for Android browser.
I've got a web page .html that will allow me to pin point a specific
location on a Google map.
The HTML will display the lat n lng of that address and the closest matching
address.
I would like to be able to access that info.
And perhaps save to a db or send an email or sms with it etc.

I'm trying to screen scrape that info off the page.

I see that LC HTMLText property is available for the desktop browser
versions but not for the Android browser.

Anyone have any ideas on how to screen scrape or to retrieve that HTML data
for use in LiveCode for Android?

Or perhaps suggest another method?

tia  

http://gmaps-samples-v3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/draggable-markers/draggable
-markers.html


All my best,
     Barry G. Sumpter




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Apr 24 00:23:18 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:23:18 -0700
Subject: [OT] The State Of HTML5 Video UPDATE
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLq5gHWgf0sNzsOuaNDhL2qjTL-cw0NfpoVH=ztrYTfhg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/

this is an update of Longtail's comprehensive and concise report about the
state of HTML5 and the browsers that support it. The numbers have
changed significantly.

I've found this company's HTML5 media player (JWPlayer) to be one of the
best performing and most compatible for web based media delivery. And they
update versions regularly.

-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 03:14:14 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:14:14 +0200
Subject: Streaming video in a multi platform application
In-Reply-To: <5D077AA7-F004-40B7-BBE4-AA386025FD36@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <CA+NEnO_qoPYSN=xF_xzZTEK1rNM33T+dztAtc5s_r0BzK78gRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<755DEBE9-CE13-414E-A143-ADF5C6F337EE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C6D1FEB-3325-4471-A3A6-59456561B890@gmail.com>
	<5D077AA7-F004-40B7-BBE4-AA386025FD36@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO9+5uJy8FFU966gX8j7isMFe03WpFB9kAHm+RYSROHawQ@mail.gmail.com>

Fran?ois,
very nice video.
I agree on the MPEG 4 format for best compatibility given the fact
that HTML5 (iOS),  flash player  and quicktime player accept this
format.
So, as far as the browser are concerned, you can use this format to
broadcast a video (also in streaming ) to all the platforms.
But how can I manage video streaming in a LC application in the most
relevant platforms?
I know there is a specific library for iOS and it is supposed to work fine.
What about the Mac and PC-Windows platforms?
It seems to me that the video player of LC does not manage MPEG 4
video streaming.
Then, what about  windows PC without quicktime?
Thank you all,
Paolo


2012/4/23 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>:
> It also plays on the iPhone (I just checked)
> F.
> Le 23 avr. 2012 ? 22:13, Paolo Mazza a ?crit :
>
>> Hi Mark,
>> Unfortunately most of win-pc have not Quick Time. Any other solution?
>> All the best
>> Paolo
>
>
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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 03:39:23 2012
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:39:23 +0200
Subject: [OT] The State Of HTML5 Video UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLq5gHWgf0sNzsOuaNDhL2qjTL-cw0NfpoVH=ztrYTfhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQfHLq5gHWgf0sNzsOuaNDhL2qjTL-cw0NfpoVH=ztrYTfhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO9kbaGXAjU9=R33b-wig0K2uEDxr8y0OuxSrFJ02VSj=g@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen,
do you use RevBrowser and the JWPlayer to deliver video in LC applications?

There are at least 2 other video players managing HTML5 video:
videojs - http://videojs.com/
flowplayer -  http://flowplayer.org/

You can have a look at this web page:
http://www.virtualmeeting.info/AAA/AAA1/ProvaVideoJS_flashc.html

 It works with most of the browsers supporting HTML5.

I set up also some basic Javascript commands to start and stop the
video (that you can send form the LC app) .

However, I do not understand why, if I open this page from rev-bowser
in a LC application, most of the time in windows PC I can not see the
video .It depends on the browser installed in the PC?
What about if I have installed more than one browser?
Have you experienced these problems also using JWPlayer from
revBrowser in LC apps ?

All the best
Paolo

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:23 AM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/
>
> this is an update of Longtail's comprehensive and concise report about the
> state of HTML5 and the browsers that support it. The numbers have
> changed significantly.
>
> I've found this company's HTML5 media player (JWPlayer) to be one of the
> best performing and most compatible for web based media delivery. And they
> update versions regularly.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb ?<http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From henshaw at me.com  Tue Apr 24 05:38:33 2012
From: henshaw at me.com (Andrew Henshaw)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:38:33 +0100
Subject: in-App Reviews
In-Reply-To: <33B52CBC-FDD7-4D20-9366-B3422CFE2A30@verizon.net>
References: <79BD0D96-7195-474D-9307-DEB4D23EDA9E@clearvisiontech.com>
	<33B52CBC-FDD7-4D20-9366-B3422CFE2A30@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <9A32FAD5-6A5E-46C1-889F-74D33E107197@me.com>

Thats pretty much what I use.

I can confirm it does not work in the simulator,  but works fine on the device.

As part of the other discussion as to how annoying it can be,  I wrote a routine that counts up how many times the app has been used and the box is never shown unless the user has been using it for more than 2 weeks,  and has started the app at least x times.  It then pops up and answer box and offers the choices to rate now,  remind later or never ask again.  

This seems to work as only people who continue to use my apps ever get the reminder,  and generally they leave the best reviews.  Newbies just get to use the app.

Andy


On 23 Apr 2012, at 17:52, Colin Holgate wrote:

> My answer no doubt confused everyone! There is someone on a Flash list I'm on that has a similar name to Dan, and I though I was reading that list. The solution still applies, in LiveCode you should be able to do this:
> 
> launch url "itms-apps://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewContentsUserReviews?type=Purple+Software&id=514220257"
> 
> where the 514220257 part would be your app's ID.
> 
> However, in the Simulator it seems not to work. Not sure if it will work on a device.
> 
> 
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Apr 24 06:57:04 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:57:04 +1000
Subject: Free upgrade from mergZXing to mergExt
Message-ID: <C2EBF5CE-0D61-4454-81F2-71D524A84ADD@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi

There's still a few people that purchased mergZXing that haven't responded to my emails offering them registration urls fro mergExt. If you purchased mergZXing and you never received one of my emails then please contact me off list.

PS mergExt now includes a free unlock code for sQuiRt the 100% LiveCode QR Code Generaator made by Spladh21. 

Cheers

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 08:36:49 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:36:49 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F969E61.20405@gmail.com>

On 24/04/12 04:04, Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
>> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
>> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.
>>
> I'm assuming then you must have some sort of licensing system for those who
> wish to go beyond the demo. How does this work? Surely your demo licensing
> system must be based aound it.
>
> I'm out of my depth here because I only develop for a very small circle of
> users (more like a dot really;-) so licensing isn't an issue, but I thought
> the whole concept of the Splash stack was to get around the limitation of a
> stack not being able to save to itself. Once you have a Splash-Working
> stack arrangement you can save your rego info in an encrypted sub-stack, as
> a customProp so it isn't available to prying eyes to throw away or amend.

They can, however, throw away the substack (because, as far as I can 
work out, it cannot
be a substack - so cannot be hidden inside a standalone's file structure 
- but a free-standing stack),
at which point a standalone would recreate the stack with an updated 
time-stamp.

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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 10:12:10 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:12:10 -0400
Subject: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser using
	google maps?
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd21cd$de76eac0$9b64c040$@bigpond.net.au>
References: <000c01cd21cd$de76eac0$9b64c040$@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <59D8ECBC-6768-44F9-9389-E188BF33130C@gmail.com>

On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Barry G. Sumpter wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using the LC for Android browser.
> I've got a web page .html that will allow me to pin point a specific
> location on a Google map.
> The HTML will display the lat n lng of that address and the closest matching
> address.
> I would like to be able to access that info.
> And perhaps save to a db or send an email or sms with it etc.
> 
> I'm trying to screen scrape that info off the page.
> 
> I see that LC HTMLText property is available for the desktop browser
> versions but not for the Android browser.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on how to screen scrape or to retrieve that HTML data
> for use in LiveCode for Android?
> 
> Or perhaps suggest another method?

Maybe there's something I don't know about the Android platform, but I think that
   put url "http://maps.google.com/whatever.html" into pageHTML
will just put the HTML into the variable, no matter what the platform.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr 24 10:13:52 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:13:52 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
References: <4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F96B520.8010104@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.

Have you considered a non-expiring feature-limited demo instead?

Time-limited trials not only are they harder to set up, but after 30 
days if the user hasn't made a buying decision it's just dead weight in 
their hard drive, likely to be removed and eventually forgotten.

But if there's some subset of functionality which could be given away 
for free, with the rest activated with a license key, then you have your 
calling card installed on the user's machine for as long as they feel it 
may be useful to them.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Apr 24 10:56:19 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:56:19 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F969E61.20405@gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMUCbay5BgZSeBfQnFHgr8YryuoNjZSpkxSyZ4ea4PvPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richmond,
I just went through this same thought process. I have a 30 day and
functionality limits in my product but finally accepted that it's
impossible to make them foolproof. In my case, I.m selling a $25 product so
it doesn't make sense to spend huge amounts of time to foil the efforts of
a tiny number of cheaters - the vast majority of people are honest IMHO. If
I was selling a $5000 product, I'd be inclined to strengthen my legality
checking.

That said, it seems to me that if you include your demo date substack with
your product, then if it's not there at run time, just stop execution.

Pete
On Apr 24, 2012 5:36 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24/04/12 04:04, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson@**gmail.com<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
>>> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
>>> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.
>>>
>>>  I'm assuming then you must have some sort of licensing system for those
>> who
>> wish to go beyond the demo. How does this work? Surely your demo licensing
>> system must be based aound it.
>>
>> I'm out of my depth here because I only develop for a very small circle of
>> users (more like a dot really;-) so licensing isn't an issue, but I
>> thought
>> the whole concept of the Splash stack was to get around the limitation of
>> a
>> stack not being able to save to itself. Once you have a Splash-Working
>> stack arrangement you can save your rego info in an encrypted sub-stack,
>> as
>> a customProp so it isn't available to prying eyes to throw away or amend.
>>
>
> They can, however, throw away the substack (because, as far as I can work
> out, it cannot
> be a substack - so cannot be hidden inside a standalone's file structure -
> but a free-standing stack),
> at which point a standalone would recreate the stack with an updated
> time-stamp.
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Apr 24 11:08:45 2012
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:08:45 -0400
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F969E61.20405@gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>

On 4/24/2012 8:36 AM, Richmond wrote:
> On 24/04/12 04:04, Kay C Lan wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM,
>> Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Blast! I am trying to find a way so that I don't have a file "floating
>>> about" on somebody's system that they can just flush away to
>>> reset the 30 day limit on my DEMO.
>>>
>> I'm assuming then you must have some sort of licensing system for
>> those who
>> wish to go beyond the demo. How does this work? Surely your demo
>> licensing
>> system must be based aound it.
>>
>> I'm out of my depth here because I only develop for a very small
>> circle of
>> users (more like a dot really;-) so licensing isn't an issue, but I
>> thought
>> the whole concept of the Splash stack was to get around the
>> limitation of a
>> stack not being able to save to itself. Once you have a Splash-Working
>> stack arrangement you can save your rego info in an encrypted
>> sub-stack, as
>> a customProp so it isn't available to prying eyes to throw away or
>> amend.
>
> They can, however, throw away the substack (because, as far as I can
> work out, it cannot
> be a substack - so cannot be hidden inside a standalone's file
> structure - but a free-standing stack),
> at which point a standalone would recreate the stack with an updated
> time-stamp.
>

There is no way to create a time based demo that can not be circumvented
that relies on the local system's time as the user can always reset
their computer's clock. Which is generally easier than trying to track
down a possibly hidden file somewhere that is tracking the elapsed time.

If you really want to make a time based demo, and do not want to risk a
local encrypted hidden file that keeps track of the elapsed time, you
need to require an internet connection and both get your time and keep
track of it on a server you control. LiveCode's built in internet
functions make it very easy to exchange data with a PHP or LiveCode
server application to track a unique demo identifier and timestamp in a
simple file or database.

However, I'd agree with Richard Gaskin's post that a feature limited
demo is generally a better marketing approach than a time limited demo.

-- 
Paul Dupuis
Cofounder
Researchware, Inc.
http://www.researchware.com/
http://www.twitter.com/researchware
http://www.facebook.com/researchware
http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc




From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 11:10:16 2012
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:10:16 +0100
Subject: Help finding an application path in windows
In-Reply-To: <C55F316D-F7F4-4CEC-AAC5-941046CD68A9@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAM19O3wE8ESKvHgGDo4UEb8f7yLpwYOZxJgk8DNxaus0XNk9+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<C55F316D-F7F4-4CEC-AAC5-941046CD68A9@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <CAM19O3wf2uTn5dL8MBt_h-2vdsWU-1LETNT5vX4G=3Frnebz7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ken

Thanks for the suggestion - it worked perfectly when I included a last "\"
at the end of the path.

Regards

Ian McKnight

On 22 April 2012 12:50, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

>
> On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Ian McKnight wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm am able to launch a file in Excel directly from LC but I do not want
> to
> > hard code the path to excel in my app.
>
> I'm not at my PC to confirm this at the moment, but according to a web
> search, you should be able to do this (watch for line breaks):
>
> put queryRegistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\
> CurrentVersion\App Paths\excel.exe") into tExcelPath
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
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-- 
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=======================


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 24 12:11:08 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:11:08 -0500
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/24/12 10:08 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

> However, I'd agree with Richard Gaskin's post that a feature limited
> demo is generally a better marketing approach than a time limited demo.

I think so too. Or even just make the program slightly annoying during 
launch. Graphic Converter does that and its author has been supporting 
himself for years with it, it's hugely popular. It isn't limited in any 
way. He just inserts a 10 second wait after every launch before the 
program becomes useable. Like most people, I used the free version for a 
couple of years until the ten seconds got so annoying I paid up. I've 
been paying for updates ever since.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 24 12:30:22 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:30:22 -0500
Subject: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser using
	google maps?
In-Reply-To: <000c01cd21cd$de76eac0$9b64c040$@bigpond.net.au>
References: <000c01cd21cd$de76eac0$9b64c040$@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <4F96D51E.7060703@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/23/12 10:53 PM, Barry G. Sumpter wrote:

> I'm trying to screen scrape that info off the page.
>
> I see that LC HTMLText property is available for the desktop browser
> versions but not for the Android browser.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on how to screen scrape or to retrieve that HTML data
> for use in LiveCode for Android?
>
> Or perhaps suggest another method?

I haven't tried it, but you might be able to put the url into a variable 
instead of into the browser control, parse the variable for the info you 
need, and then use mobileControlDo "load" to put the variable into the 
browser for display.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Apr 24 12:31:05 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:31:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] ROR Difference between has one and belongs to one
Message-ID: <5CFF9EE4-F905-4AE5-8ED0-1668452100C0@twft.com>

Hi. For anyone who has experience using Ruby on Rails, I have a friend who is redesigning the corporate web site, and he wants to use ROR. He is stumped at their way of defining relationships. He says there is a Belongs To One relationship and a Has One relationship. It sounds to me like they are talking about a one to one relationship from different directions but why that would be useful I do not know. Anyone have any wisdom on the subject?

Bob


From dsimpson at dotcomsolutionsinc.net  Tue Apr 24 12:38:33 2012
From: dsimpson at dotcomsolutionsinc.net (David Simpson)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:38:33 -0700
Subject: [ANN] VB6 to LiveCode Conversion Feature
Message-ID: <1EE1601D-E7BB-4C3D-9BC2-798301A2F33F@dotcomsolutionsinc.net>

4-23-2012 - Fremont, California - FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition 6.68 Adds VB6 to LiveCode Conversion Feature

Microsoft VB6 developers looking to switch to the LiveCode cross platform development environment can now use FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition. This new feature automates the conversion of VB6 form files and Visual Basic code into LiveCode stack files. VB6 form object scripts are converted and added to card objects.

The LiveCode version of the scripts are syntactically converted to match LiveCode syntax. The dot notation used to reference properties has been replaced with the equivalent LiveCode script. However most object property names will need to be manually changed to reflect the properties of LiveCode objects.

VB6 developers routinely create multiple form objects having the same name, then reference the object properties like an array. Since LiveCode objects need to be uniquely named (or referenced by their object ID) to be used within a script, the converted scripts are changed accordingly. So for instance, a property referenced like:
Field.Text[1]
Field.Text[2]

Gets changed as follows:
the plainText of field "Field[1]"
the plainText of field "Field[2]"

As can be seen with this example, the object names will need to be manually changed to match the unique names shown in the script.

VB6 Support Form Objects Include:
PictureBox
ImageBox
Label
TextBox
Frame
CommandButton
CheckBox
OptionButton - (grouped if within a Frame)
ComboBox
ListBox
HorizontalScrollbar
VerticalScrollbar
DriveListBox
DirectoryListBox
FileListBox
Slider
TabDlg (Tab Control)

Demo Version Available:

Select the VB6 Demo Link at the top of the BASIC to LiveCode conversion page:
http://www.fmpromigrator.com/services/basic_to_livecode_service.html#vb6main
Open the VB6ToLiveCode Demo.livecode stack file from within the LiveCode IDE.
Select Source and Destination directories, then click the Convert button.
The VB6 project will be converted, and the new stack file will be left open at the completion of the conversion process.

The demo version converts up to 5 forms/scripts, with unlimited project conversion available in the full production release.

FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition is priced at ($600) per developer and includes a copy of FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition for both MacOS X (Universal Binary) and Windows platforms. Existing FmPro Migrator Developer Edition customers may upgrade to FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition for $400.

For more info about the VB6 to LiveCode Conversion feature, please see: 
http://www.fmpromigrator.com/services/basic_to_livecode_service.html#vb6main

.com Solutions Inc. develops multi-platform graphical applications supporting FileMaker Pro, SQLite, Oracle, MySQL, Access, SQL Server, Sybase, DB2, OpenBase, PostgreSQL, FrontBase, Valentina, VB6 and LiveCode developers. FmPro Script Diff, compares and edits FileMaker Pro scripts. FmPro Migrator ( www.fmpromigrator.com ) converts FileMaker Pro databases to and from FileMaker Pro, SQLite Diff compares SQLite database schema and data. 


David Simpson
www.fmpromigrator.com






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Apr 24 12:51:56 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:51:56 -0700
Subject: [ANN] VB6 to LiveCode Conversion Feature
In-Reply-To: <1EE1601D-E7BB-4C3D-9BC2-798301A2F33F@dotcomsolutionsinc.net>
References: <1EE1601D-E7BB-4C3D-9BC2-798301A2F33F@dotcomsolutionsinc.net>
Message-ID: <4F96DA2C.8070407@fourthworld.com>

Nice work, as always from you.  Congrats on the launch.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Apr 24 13:42:05 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:42:05 -0700
Subject: [ANN] VB6 to LiveCode Conversion Feature
In-Reply-To: <4F96DA2C.8070407@fourthworld.com>
References: <1EE1601D-E7BB-4C3D-9BC2-798301A2F33F@dotcomsolutionsinc.net>
	<4F96DA2C.8070407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <47E6A4A5-3D33-4196-B43B-665E40CE2CA7@twft.com>

Yes quite an accomplishment. Now if we can get an ad running in one of the Visual Basic rags...

Bob


On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Nice work, as always from you.  Congrats on the launch.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 13:54:04 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:54:04 +0300
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F96E8BC.7040101@gmail.com>

On 04/24/2012 07:11 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 4/24/12 10:08 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>
>> However, I'd agree with Richard Gaskin's post that a feature limited
>> demo is generally a better marketing approach than a time limited demo.
>
> I think so too. Or even just make the program slightly annoying during 
> launch. Graphic Converter does that and its author has been supporting 
> himself for years with it, it's hugely popular. It isn't limited in 
> any way. He just inserts a 10 second wait after every launch before 
> the program becomes useable. Like most people, I used the free version 
> for a couple of years until the ten seconds got so annoying I paid up. 
> I've been paying for updates ever since.
>

Thank you everyone for such a lot of advice; obviously time-stamping is
a busted flush (and there I was, thinking I was being clever); so a 
"crippled" version
the Demo will be.

Richmond.



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Apr 24 14:37:22 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:37:22 +0100
Subject: iOS Simulator oddness
Message-ID: <5F5597B0-6247-42B7-8B95-13B408AECFEE@mac.com>

I've been doing some testing on an iPhone app on my newish iMac. The simulator has been working as expected. I'm now on a trip and have switched to my MacBook which AFAIK has the same development software (LC 5.5, XCode 4.2.1, Simulator 5.0 etc) - but now the simulator insists on opening in iPad portrait mode, with my app in the middle of the screen - exactly as happens when you open an iPod/iPhone app on a real iPad. If I switch the simulator to iPhone, my simulated app disappears. I can't get the simulator to open in iPhone mode.

I imagine I have done something wrong with the standalone settings of my app, but what? Can anyone suggest what's happening?

TIA

Graham



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Apr 24 14:43:18 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:43:18 +0100
Subject: iOS Simulator oddness
In-Reply-To: <5F5597B0-6247-42B7-8B95-13B408AECFEE@mac.com>
References: <5F5597B0-6247-42B7-8B95-13B408AECFEE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W6041DD73D5720E3F3B9FDBED260@phx.gbl>



Sounds like you have it set to ipad in the standalone application settings...

> I've been doing some testing on an iPhone app on my newish iMac. The simulator has been working as expected. I'm now on a trip and have switched to my MacBook which AFAIK has the same development software (LC 5.5, XCode 4.2.1, Simulator 5.0 etc) - but now the simulator insists on opening in iPad portrait mode, with my app in the middle of the screen - exactly as happens when you open an iPod/iPhone app on a real iPad. If I switch the simulator to iPhone, my simulated app disappears. I can't get the simulator to open in iPhone mode.
> 
> I imagine I have done something wrong with the standalone settings of my app, but what? Can anyone suggest what's happening?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham

 		 	   		  

From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Apr 24 14:45:51 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:45:51 -0400
Subject: iOS Simulator oddness
In-Reply-To: <5F5597B0-6247-42B7-8B95-13B408AECFEE@mac.com>
References: <5F5597B0-6247-42B7-8B95-13B408AECFEE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BB304248-8964-4090-BAE9-076F0F6D0B39@verizon.net>

What is Test Target set to in LiveCode?



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Apr 24 15:47:17 2012
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:47:17 -0700
Subject: [OT] The State Of HTML5 Video UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO9kbaGXAjU9=R33b-wig0K2uEDxr8y0OuxSrFJ02VSj=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQfHLq5gHWgf0sNzsOuaNDhL2qjTL-cw0NfpoVH=ztrYTfhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+NEnO9kbaGXAjU9=R33b-wig0K2uEDxr8y0OuxSrFJ02VSj=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLn08ref+bPFYFZWfqPx9vpZE7_78AzdOatB1bVbkF1cw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Paolo,

I just tested your link with the revBrowser demo stack and after a little
loading time ( it's a long video ) it displayed and played just as well as
it played in the current version of Safari browser.

This works with Lion and the latest livecode version 5.5.1. dp1. I have not
tested in Windows.

I have a demonstration JW Player set up somewhere, I'll post so you could
test.

On a card in a stack desktop application on Mac, I have used the player to
display/stream m4v files from a server via http:

Nothing to test Windows? at the moment.

sqb


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 00:39, paolo mazza <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com>wrote:

> Stephen,
> do you use RevBrowser and the JWPlayer to deliver video in LC applications?
>
> There are at least 2 other video players managing HTML5 video:
> videojs - http://videojs.com/
> flowplayer -  http://flowplayer.org/
>
> You can have a look at this web page:
> http://www.virtualmeeting.info/AAA/AAA1/ProvaVideoJS_flashc.html
>
>  It works with most of the browsers supporting HTML5.
>
> I set up also some basic Javascript commands to start and stop the
> video (that you can send form the LC app) .
>
> However, I do not understand why, if I open this page from rev-bowser
> in a LC application, most of the time in windows PC I can not see the
> video .It depends on the browser installed in the PC?
> What about if I have installed more than one browser?
> Have you experienced these problems also using JWPlayer from
> revBrowser in LC apps ?
>
> All the best
> Paolo
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:23 AM, stephen barncard
> <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> > http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/
> >
> > this is an update of Longtail's comprehensive and concise report about
> the
> > state of HTML5 and the browsers that support it. The numbers have
> > changed significantly.
> >
> > I've found this company's HTML5 media player (JWPlayer) to be one of the
> > best performing and most compatible for web based media delivery. And
> they
> > update versions regularly.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From barrysum at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 24 16:47:49 2012
From: barrysum at bigpond.net.au (Barry G. Sumpter)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:47:49 +1000
Subject: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser using
	google maps? 
Message-ID: <004301cd225b$82abd500$88037f00$@bigpond.net.au>

Thanks to Peter and Jacqueline for the replies.
                                      
Yes, I can get the initial content of a web page into LC.

how-do-i-get-the-content-of-a-url-on-a-web-server-into-revolution
http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/7523-how-do-i-get-the-content-o
f-a-url-on-a-web-server-into-revolution

In my case that would be the lat n lng of my current position.
And NOT the location I'm after.

I'm trying to capture the lat n lng of another location that I have centred
on the map.
So the map has changed say 10 times since I've initialized the map with my
current position.
i.e. todays' coffee shop is here and tomorrows' coffee shop is there.

Each time the map changes 
the lat n lng and the geo location (address) data changes.

So once I've decided the map is displaying the correct positions with lat n
lng and address.
I want to push a button and capture that latest data.

Screen scraping would be the most obvious 
but I can't get to the text nor the HTMLText of the latest content state 
of the browser with LC4A.

Nor can I get to the clipboard.

Nor can I create java events to capture into LC4A.

And further positive constructive suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

tia

-------------

  13. LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser
      using	google maps? (Barry G. Sumpter)
  20. Re: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser
      using	google maps? (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
  26. Re: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser
      using	google maps? (J. Landman Gay)

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:53:54 +1000
From: "Barry G. Sumpter" <barrysum at bigpond.net.au>
To: <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser
	using	google maps?
Message-ID: <000c01cd21cd$de76eac0$9b64c040$@bigpond.net.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hi all,

I'm using the LC for Android browser.
I've got a web page .html that will allow me to pin point a specific
location on a Google map.
The HTML will display the lat n lng of that address and the closest matching
address.
I would like to be able to access that info.
And perhaps save to a db or send an email or sms with it etc.

I'm trying to screen scrape that info off the page.

I see that LC HTMLText property is available for the desktop browser
versions but not for the Android browser.

Anyone have any ideas on how to screen scrape or to retrieve that HTML data
for use in LiveCode for Android?

Or perhaps suggest another method?

tia  

http://gmaps-samples-v3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/draggable-markers/draggable
-markers.html


All my best,
     Barry G. Sumpter




------------------------------

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:12:10 -0400
From: "Peter M. Brigham, MD" <pmbrig at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser
	using	google maps?
Message-ID: <59D8ECBC-6768-44F9-9389-E188BF33130C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Apr 23, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Barry G. Sumpter wrote:

Maybe there's something I don't know about the Android platform, but I think
that
   put url "http://maps.google.com/whatever.html" into pageHTML
will just put the HTML into the variable, no matter what the platform.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

------------------------------

Message: 26
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:30:22 -0500
From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: LC for Android: Retrieve center lat n lng from LC browser
	using	google maps?
Message-ID: <4F96D51E.7060703 at hyperactivesw.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 4/23/12 10:53 PM, Barry G. Sumpter wrote:


I haven't tried it, but you might be able to put the url into a variable 
instead of into the browser control, parse the variable for the info you 
need, and then use mobileControlDo "load" to put the variable into the 
browser for display.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
------------------------------




From irog at mac.com  Tue Apr 24 18:16:05 2012
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:16:05 -0700
Subject: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335286804.10665.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335286804.10665.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6B4235EF-1BA0-4103-B8BE-22D34DA9A178@mac.com>

Thanks for the feedback, Mark and Tom. It's nice to think that I can give a little something back to this great community.

BTW, I've added a sizing feature and made RadialDialOmatic pluginable. Still at my downloads page:

						http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html

Cheers,
Roger





> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
> Message-ID: <1335202380229-4581155.post at n4.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> Roger Guay wrote
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> RadialDialOmatic is a utility I created to make nice (even if I say so
>> myself) Radial Dials. With RevOnLine still down, I'm afraid you will have
>> to go to my downloads page to get it:
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
> 
> Roger, your stuff is always so cool!
> 
> -- Mark
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: tbodine <lvhdgc7 at gmail.com>
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: ANN: Radial Dial Making Utility
> Message-ID: <1335237625137-4582321.post at n4.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Soooo easy! Thanks!
> Tom Bodine




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 07:16:36 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:16:36 +0800
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khOoDztPZKWL96UmV3aRCj-bRObVSMUnBA9bwx-E227hg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> He just inserts a 10 second wait after every launch before the program
> becomes useable. Like most people, I used the free version for a couple of
> years until the ten seconds got so annoying I paid up. I've been paying for
> updates ever since.
>
> It isn't quite as simple as that; there must be some kind of date stamping
because that pop-up dialogue tells you how many days you've been using the
software and the more you used it, without registering, the longer the wait
became. I can be a very patient person so I eventually ended up with a 99
sec countdown - it was probably longer than that but the numbers only went
up to 99 - before I relented and bought two licenses and eventually a
family license.

Note, date stamping doesn't necessarily need to know the 'real' date and
time. It could be as simple as keeping a tally of how many times the
programme is started to more complex recording of the time at start and the
time at quit and basing a days use on 8 hrs, or any other arbitrary figure.
Yes, you are never going to beat all the cheats but by the same token you
could really mess up someone's system if they thought they could simply
extend their license by resetting the date to 30 days earlier. I wonder how
successful archival/synchronisation/iCloud are on a system that suddenly
becomes 30 days younger?

I agree with the others though, I despise time limited apps because I never
have 30 days to test them, I only have a day here and a day there and I
spend half of it recapping what I learnt before.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 25 10:19:29 2012
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:19:29 -0500
Subject: reposition single-line text to the left or right?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64800443-E30A-4A52-BD98-0628970B235D@sonsothunder.com>


On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> On the keyboard I made for my Android app, a typed letter gets added
> after the last typed letter onto a single-line text field (locked and
> wrap off). When the string of letters reaches the field's far-right,
> newly typed letters of course get added but out of sight off-field.
> 
> Is there an LC way (without relying on horizontal scroll) to move left
> the text-string/line as each new letter gets added to the end of the
> string? Likewise, shifted right when deleting last letters?

Well, you *could* do it by checking the formattedWidth of the field against the width of the field, and if it's larger, delete characters from the front of the text until the formattedWidth <= the width. But then you'd have to keep track of what the user entered in a custom property or variable. 

I noticed you say that your field is locked - if it was unlocked, then LC would just manage the hScroll of the field; I'm assuming you can't leave your field unlocked for some reason, so you can use use the same formattedWidth vs. width test and then set the hScroll of the field manually. But you mentioned "without relying on horizontal scroll"? is there a reason you don't want to use the hScroll?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/	



From cford at mailbox.sc.edu  Wed Apr 25 11:03:12 2012
From: cford at mailbox.sc.edu (Curt Ford)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:03:12 -0400
Subject: LiveCode cgi and https?
Message-ID: <ADB2DAF4-1E07-4035-8D4F-EF61FB405ED5@mailbox.sc.edu>

I have a LiveCode cgi that takes a few parameters from a form on a web page, generates a registration code from another stack on the server, and sends out an e-mail.

It's working well in tests on my server (I'm using on-rev). The client has recently switched to Bluehost with an SSL certificate so we can use https for another part of the project. I've copied the files over from my server, double-checked permissions and paths, but after filling in the form I get the error:

[an error occurred while processing this directive]

When I test sending the data from the message box in LiveCode I get this error:

<!-- SHTML Wrapper - 500 Server Error -->
[an error occurred while processing this directive]
error 500 Internal Server Error

Anybody know if this suggests it's connected to the fact that we now have a certificate? Would the line in the form page

<FORM ACTION="../../cgi-bin/keygentest.cgi" METHOD=POST>

need to change?

I don't have full access to the error logs, unfortunately; the ones forwarded by the client don't seem to have anything relating to this cgi.

thanks for any ideas..

Curt


From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 11:15:22 2012
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:15:22 -0400
Subject: Get the members of a group
Message-ID: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>

If one has a group with a number of graphics that have been created in the group, How can I get the name or IDs of the graphics that have been created?  I need to cycle thru and delete them.

This is going to be obvious, but I am coming up blank.  ;-)

Thanks
    Mike





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 25 11:24:42 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:24:42 +0200
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mike,

Am 25.04.2012 um 17:15 schrieb Michael Doub:

> If one has a group with a number of graphics that have been created in the group, How can I get the name or IDs of the graphics that have been created?  I need to cycle thru and delete them.
> 
> This is going to be obvious, but I am coming up blank.  ;-)

...
repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs of grp "your group here"
  ## kill grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
end repeat
...

> Thanks
>    Mike

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From ken at kencorey.com  Wed Apr 25 11:33:01 2012
From: ken at kencorey.com (Ken Corey)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:01 +0100
Subject: Economy-x-Talk's fabulous Error Parsing Service down?
Message-ID: <4F98192D.8040009@kencorey.com>

Anyone know why the Error Parsing service from Economy-x-Talk is down?

Thanks,

-Ken



From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 11:34:51 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:34:51 -0400
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>

Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?


On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

> repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs of grp "your group here"
>  ## kill grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
> end repeat



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr 25 11:40:53 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:40:53 -0700
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2219DF7D-A4B2-46A4-94A2-289D2BE029FC@twft.com>

I believe the KILL command has been deprecated. The new command is SNUFF. WAX is a synonym also. ;-)

Bob


On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> Am 25.04.2012 um 17:15 schrieb Michael Doub:
> 
>> If one has a group with a number of graphics that have been created in the group, How can I get the name or IDs of the graphics that have been created?  I need to cycle thru and delete them.
>> 
>> This is going to be obvious, but I am coming up blank.  ;-)
> 
> ...
> repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs of grp "your group here"
>  ## kill grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
> end repeat
> ...
> 
>> Thanks
>>   Mike
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 25 11:45:22 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:45:22 +0200
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Colin,

Am 25.04.2012 um 17:34 schrieb Colin Holgate:

> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?

hehe, "defending" :-)
Took me a while...

Yes of course:
...
put the num of grcs of grp "your group here" into tNum
repeat with i = tNum down to 1
   ## caress grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
end repeat
...


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Apr 25 11:56:05 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:56:05 +0100
Subject: iOS Console Error - what does it mean?
Message-ID: <330E8562-0904-47F1-8950-4E286806D994@mac.com>

I don't think this is OT, since it's something arising from testing a LiveCode project. While attempting to test my iOS app, I see this in the System Log output. Can anyone say what it means, and if there is anything I can do within LC to correct it?

> The view controller <com_runrev_livecode_MCIPhoneStartupViewController: 0x8d9d7d0> returned NO from -shouldAutorotateToInterfaceOrientation: for all interface orientations. It should support at least one orientation.

i thought at first it might be something to do with my Standalone settings, but if so, I can't see what I've changed from earlier tests where this error didn't appear.

TIA

Graham


From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 11:57:57 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:57:57 -0400
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <67B6837D-3AA1-4551-B437-89AA5F565ECE@verizon.net>

I updated OS recently, and it does the autocorrection as you type thing. It obviously knew better than I did about what I meant!


On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

>> 
>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
> 
> hehe, "defending" :-)
> Took me a while...



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 25 12:06:31 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:06:31 +0200
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <67B6837D-3AA1-4551-B437-89AA5F565ECE@verizon.net>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<67B6837D-3AA1-4551-B437-89AA5F565ECE@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <263911F4-579C-4A55-9935-18C9C7EE22F1@major.on-rev.com>


Am 25.04.2012 um 17:57 schrieb Colin Holgate:

> I updated OS recently, and it does the autocorrection as you type thing. It obviously knew better than I did about what I meant!

:-D

> On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:
>>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
>> hehe, "defending" :-)
>> Took me a while...


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr 25 12:08:30 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:08:30 -0700
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <67B6837D-3AA1-4551-B437-89AA5F565ECE@verizon.net>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<67B6837D-3AA1-4551-B437-89AA5F565ECE@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DBAE408F-982C-4E4A-891D-938236EE1B22@twft.com>

Anyone who has an iPhone must visit this site at least once: 
http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/category/best-of-dyac/

Bob


On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I updated OS recently, and it does the autocorrection as you type thing. It obviously knew better than I did about what I meant!
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
>> 
>> hehe, "defending" :-)
>> Took me a while...
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Apr 25 12:12:29 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:12:29 +0200
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7FC5180-9EE3-4747-8722-4DBB483F8D28@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Michael,

Put these handlers somewhere at a higher level of your stack or in a library and you can easily get all objects of all groups from everywhere.

http://runrev.info/Objects%20list.htm

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.

On 25 apr 2012, at 17:15, Michael Doub wrote:

> If one has a group with a number of graphics that have been created in the group, How can I get the name or IDs of the graphics that have been created?  I need to cycle thru and delete them.
> 
> This is going to be obvious, but I am coming up blank.  ;-)
> 
> Thanks
>    Mike
> 
> 




From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr 25 12:29:13 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:29:13 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khOoDztPZKWL96UmV3aRCj-bRObVSMUnBA9bwx-E227hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+uh5khOoDztPZKWL96UmV3aRCj-bRObVSMUnBA9bwx-E227hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A915B636-126B-4676-A2BB-80B65464440F@me.com>

On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> I agree with the others though, I despise time limited apps because I never have 30 days to test them, I only have a day here and a day there and I spend half of it recapping what I learnt before.

Maybe the proper solution is a number of uses, rather than a number of days. That way, you could say "100 uses" and track that in a hidden file.  Another option is a function that causes glitching every so often if the app is an audio app, or add a watermark or hash pattern to saved images if a graphics app until a license is installed.

Tim




From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 12:31:56 2012
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:31:56 -0400
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>

Can someone explain what is going on here?   This works:

Put the number of graphics of me into count
   repeat with i =  count down to 1
      if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
         delete graphic i
      end if
   end repeat

This does not:
Put the number of graphics of me into count
   repeat with i =  1 to count
      if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
         delete graphic i
      end if
   end repeat

Why is the order significant?

-= Mike

 

On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Colin,
> 
> Am 25.04.2012 um 17:34 schrieb Colin Holgate:
> 
>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
> 
> hehe, "defending" :-)
> Took me a while...
> 
> Yes of course:
> ...
> put the num of grcs of grp "your group here" into tNum
> repeat with i = tNum down to 1
>   ## caress grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
> end repeat
> ...
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From tolistim at me.com  Wed Apr 25 12:38:09 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:38:09 -0700
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE8215CF-E8F6-4198-B04E-1D1E62D4FE25@me.com>

On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Michael Doub wrote:

> Can someone explain what is going on here?   This works:
> 
> Put the number of graphics of me into count
>   repeat with i =  count down to 1
>      if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
>         delete graphic i
>      end if
>   end repeat
> 
> This does not:
> Put the number of graphics of me into count
>   repeat with i =  1 to count
>      if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
>         delete graphic i
>      end if
>   end repeat
> 
> Why is the order significant?]

As you delete, you're reducing the "count" of items and once you've deleted an item, you increment the step to that + 1.  This results in skipping every other item and then overflowing the count since you've deleted items out from under yourself.  By counting backwards, you keep things sane.

Tim




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Apr 25 12:46:03 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:46:03 -0700
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B609F73-C2C2-415E-9BC7-D85F82C11A5D@twft.com>

You delete grc 1 in the first iteration. Now grc 2 BECOMES grc 1, but the next iteration deletes grc 2! You are deleting every other grc this way. You have to start at the end and work your way backward. Think of it as taking a cracker off the bottom of the stack. Cracker 2 now becomes cracker 1. 

Another way is to repeat for count instead of repeat with i = 1 to count and then delete graphic 1, not I, in your count up loop. 

Bob


On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Michael Doub wrote:

> Can someone explain what is going on here?   This works:
> 
> Put the number of graphics of me into count
>   repeat with i =  count down to 1
>      if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
>         delete graphic i
>      end if
>   end repeat
> 
> This does not:
> Put the number of graphics of me into count
>   repeat with i =  1 to count
>      if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
>         delete graphic i
>      end if
>   end repeat
> 
> Why is the order significant?
> 
> -= Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> 
>> Hi Colin,
>> 
>> Am 25.04.2012 um 17:34 schrieb Colin Holgate:
>> 
>>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
>> 
>> hehe, "defending" :-)
>> Took me a while...
>> 
>> Yes of course:
>> ...
>> put the num of grcs of grp "your group here" into tNum
>> repeat with i = tNum down to 1
>>  ## caress grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
>> end repeat
>> ...
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> http://www.major-k.de
>> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 12:49:26 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:49:26 -0500
Subject: Economy-x-Talk's fabulous Error Parsing Service down?
In-Reply-To: <4F98192D.8040009@kencorey.com>
References: <4F98192D.8040009@kencorey.com>
Message-ID: <4F982B16.60907@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 10:33 AM, Ken Corey wrote:
> Anyone know why the Error Parsing service from Economy-x-Talk is down?

I don't know, but you could use this in the mean time:

<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23431607/LiveCode%20Error%20Lookup.livecode.zip>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 12:55:09 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:55:09 -0600
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <3B609F73-C2C2-415E-9BC7-D85F82C11A5D@twft.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
	<3B609F73-C2C2-415E-9BC7-D85F82C11A5D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqJ=6BaWaeMrQ34XLtwMcZOhTJZh3cMp1QAHOtS1FdpBg@mail.gmail.com>

Could also do something like

repeat (the number of grc of me) times
delete grc 1
end repeat


From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 13:03:31 2012
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:03:31 -0400
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <3B609F73-C2C2-415E-9BC7-D85F82C11A5D@twft.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
	<3B609F73-C2C2-415E-9BC7-D85F82C11A5D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <3572EE2E-7B90-4184-BF85-7BFB836D5901@gmail.com>

So it would seem that I got lucky as the first grc that I created was the background (TreeBG) that defined the size of the control.  This must have caused TreeBG to receive the lowest count.  All other grc were created after so they must have received a higher count.

How is this ordering tracked?  Is this the layer?

-= Mike


On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> You delete grc 1 in the first iteration. Now grc 2 BECOMES grc 1, but the next iteration deletes grc 2! You are deleting every other grc this way. You have to start at the end and work your way backward. Think of it as taking a cracker off the bottom of the stack. Cracker 2 now becomes cracker 1. 
> 
> Another way is to repeat for count instead of repeat with i = 1 to count and then delete graphic 1, not I, in your count up loop. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
> 
>> Can someone explain what is going on here?   This works:
>> 
>> Put the number of graphics of me into count
>>  repeat with i =  count down to 1
>>     if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
>>        delete graphic i
>>     end if
>>  end repeat
>> 
>> This does not:
>> Put the number of graphics of me into count
>>  repeat with i =  1 to count
>>     if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
>>        delete graphic i
>>     end if
>>  end repeat
>> 
>> Why is the order significant?
>> 
>> -= Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Colin,
>>> 
>>> Am 25.04.2012 um 17:34 schrieb Colin Holgate:
>>> 
>>>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
>>> 
>>> hehe, "defending" :-)
>>> Took me a while...
>>> 
>>> Yes of course:
>>> ...
>>> put the num of grcs of grp "your group here" into tNum
>>> repeat with i = tNum down to 1
>>> ## caress grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
>>> end repeat
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>>> 
>>> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 13:07:57 2012
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:07:57 -0600
Subject: Get the members of a group
In-Reply-To: <3572EE2E-7B90-4184-BF85-7BFB836D5901@gmail.com>
References: <C2FB3F44-A24D-46B8-B726-855CF7D655A6@gmail.com>
	<6B9063CF-FF9E-41CC-9B4C-52422D1554A3@major.on-rev.com>
	<54E75FAC-714C-444E-8F71-89C94A957DAB@verizon.net>
	<4886112E-90C8-44B6-9941-65711E3AEFAF@major.on-rev.com>
	<0EDA4E89-3A9D-43CF-A45F-FA387C6387D2@gmail.com>
	<3B609F73-C2C2-415E-9BC7-D85F82C11A5D@twft.com>
	<3572EE2E-7B90-4184-BF85-7BFB836D5901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrC8hJ5RyBr32=7P=gyds5S0Ue4fOadkyu8PCMg0bxVBw@mail.gmail.com>

yeah layer controls that. YOu can always check the short name of the grc
you are currently working with and skip whatever items you need. The count
down method would be best for this. If you use the repeat (number of grc
blah blah) times method you would have to have a variable and increment it
on each skip starting at 1.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> So it would seem that I got lucky as the first grc that I created was the
> background (TreeBG) that defined the size of the control.  This must have
> caused TreeBG to receive the lowest count.  All other grc were created
> after so they must have received a higher count.
>
> How is this ordering tracked?  Is this the layer?
>
> -= Mike
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > You delete grc 1 in the first iteration. Now grc 2 BECOMES grc 1, but
> the next iteration deletes grc 2! You are deleting every other grc this
> way. You have to start at the end and work your way backward. Think of it
> as taking a cracker off the bottom of the stack. Cracker 2 now becomes
> cracker 1.
> >
> > Another way is to repeat for count instead of repeat with i = 1 to count
> and then delete graphic 1, not I, in your count up loop.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
> >
> >> Can someone explain what is going on here?   This works:
> >>
> >> Put the number of graphics of me into count
> >>  repeat with i =  count down to 1
> >>     if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
> >>        delete graphic i
> >>     end if
> >>  end repeat
> >>
> >> This does not:
> >> Put the number of graphics of me into count
> >>  repeat with i =  1 to count
> >>     if the short name of graphic i of me is not "TreeBG" then
> >>        delete graphic i
> >>     end if
> >>  end repeat
> >>
> >> Why is the order significant?
> >>
> >> -= Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Colin,
> >>>
> >>> Am 25.04.2012 um 17:34 schrieb Colin Holgate:
> >>>
> >>>> Should you be doing the repeat loop defending?
> >>>
> >>> hehe, "defending" :-)
> >>> Took me a while...
> >>>
> >>> Yes of course:
> >>> ...
> >>> put the num of grcs of grp "your group here" into tNum
> >>> repeat with i = tNum down to 1
> >>> ## caress grc i of grp "your group here" :-)
> >>> end repeat
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Klaus
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Klaus Major
> >>> http://www.major-k.de
> >>> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> >>>
> >>>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Apr 25 13:26:58 2012
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:26:58 +0100
Subject: iOS Simulator oddness
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335373202.18859.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335373202.18859.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <34DE39DE-DD0E-4646-9C21-49E32DC67DAA@mac.com>

Yup, Colin, I forgot about the Test Target - I had just set the Standalone Settings to be iPhone/iPod (so not iPad) and thought that would be enough. The Test Target menu item only shows up when one isn't editing a script, which is a kind of lame excuse for forgetting about its existence.

Anyway problem solved, thanks.

Graham

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:45:51 -0400, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What is Test Target set to in LiveCode?



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr 25 13:31:28 2012
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:31:28 +0200
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
Message-ID: <17395014-EDD7-47DD-8154-F1A5B8B26D63@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

OK, so we wandered off the subject just a little !

Jecqueline wrote, talking about Graphic Converter :

>> He just inserts a 10 second wait after every launch before the  
>> program
>> becomes useable. Like most people, I used the free version for a  
>> couple of
>> years until the ten seconds got so annoying I paid up. I've been  
>> paying for
>> updates ever since.
>

I too used the program for free for several years,
until, covered in shame for having refused such a
tiny payment for such a fantastic program, I paid
up, and still use Graphic Converter every day (and
I feel so much better for being honest).

There aren't many programs which cost so little,
and yet render so many services.

Thanks Mr. Lemke.

- Francis



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr 25 13:45:24 2012
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:45:24 +0200
Subject: Economy-x-Talk's fabulous Error Parsing Service down?
Message-ID: <433BDC08-280D-462C-A6D0-15ACB0C40BDB@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

This is also just a little bit off the subject ......

Jacqueline wrote :

> I don't know, but you could use this in the mean time:

I don't like time any more than you do (because today is
first day of the rest of my life !), but to call it "mean"
is pushing it just a little.

Time is "kind" to no one !

But, consider time at the speed of light : it stops !

.......... Just move faster ...... :>)

Best Regards

-Francis



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 25 14:24:23 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:24:23 +0200
Subject: set cursor to none not works on Win7?
Message-ID: <70CE43AC-84E0-4004-AD2F-4BF20762E7F5@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

can someone confirm that "set cursor to none;lock cursor"
does not have any effect on Windows 7 (in a standalone)?

Just tested and cursor did not disappear.

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus

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klaus at major.on-rev.com




From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 14:54:49 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:54:49 -0400
Subject: set cursor to none not works on Win7?
In-Reply-To: <70CE43AC-84E0-4004-AD2F-4BF20762E7F5@major.on-rev.com>
References: <70CE43AC-84E0-4004-AD2F-4BF20762E7F5@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4493D37F-81BC-4175-8682-DF73BCB5CFA9@verizon.net>

It's been a long time since I tried hiding cursors on Windows, but last time I tried it seemed that Windows forces the cursor to show whenever there is any drive activity. Do you get any different behavior if the stack is locked?






From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Apr 25 15:03:48 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:03:48 +0200
Subject: Economy-x-Talk's fabulous Error Parsing Service down?
In-Reply-To: <4F98192D.8040009@kencorey.com>
References: <4F98192D.8040009@kencorey.com>
Message-ID: <0339AA13-50B1-46E8-916F-D2F325F0674F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ken,

Yes, it looks like something is broken. It will get fixed eventually, I just can't say when. If you have an iPhone, you might like this http://qery.us/v4 app. 

--
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On 25 apr 2012, at 17:33, Ken Corey wrote:

> Anyone know why the Error Parsing service from Economy-x-Talk is down?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Ken




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 15:09:40 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:09:40 +0300
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
Message-ID: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>

I've had this problem before, but a long time ago:

Building a standalone for Windows on a Mac PPC the build fails (4.5)
with this:

Build failed for Windows: could not load doc icon.

This is nonsense as I had selected "Use None" for a document icon.



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 25 15:11:45 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:11:45 +0200
Subject: set cursor to none not works on Win7?
In-Reply-To: <4493D37F-81BC-4175-8682-DF73BCB5CFA9@verizon.net>
References: <70CE43AC-84E0-4004-AD2F-4BF20762E7F5@major.on-rev.com>
	<4493D37F-81BC-4175-8682-DF73BCB5CFA9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <B0FE797A-3C75-477D-8A22-77571B060799@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Colin,

Am 25.04.2012 um 20:54 schrieb Colin Holgate:

> It's been a long time since I tried hiding cursors on Windows, but last time I tried it seemed that Windows forces the cursor to show whenever there is any drive activity. Do you get any different behavior if the stack is locked?

"stack is locked"?
Sorry, no capisce :-)

I need to do this when a video is playing.


Best

Klaus

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Apr 25 15:21:16 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:21:16 +0200
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

I have the same problem. I have modified the standalone application settings window to allow me to enter the path to the icon file manually. When I enter the absolute path for both icons by dragging the icon files into the fields, all works fine. It simply doesn't work if I don't specify a doc icon.

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KvK: 50277553

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On 25 apr 2012, at 21:09, Richmond wrote:

> I've had this problem before, but a long time ago:
> 
> Building a standalone for Windows on a Mac PPC the build fails (4.5)
> with this:
> 
> Build failed for Windows: could not load doc icon.
> 
> This is nonsense as I had selected "Use None" for a document icon.




From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Apr 25 15:25:38 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:25:38 -0400
Subject: set cursor to none not works on Win7?
In-Reply-To: <B0FE797A-3C75-477D-8A22-77571B060799@major.on-rev.com>
References: <70CE43AC-84E0-4004-AD2F-4BF20762E7F5@major.on-rev.com>
	<4493D37F-81BC-4175-8682-DF73BCB5CFA9@verizon.net>
	<B0FE797A-3C75-477D-8A22-77571B060799@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <05F95B1D-3918-49AE-B01B-B6E261A84B37@verizon.net>


On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

> "stack is locked"?
> Sorry, no capisce :-)
> 

I meant that the "can't modify" box in the stack inspector would be checked.




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Apr 25 15:32:16 2012
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:32:16 +0200
Subject: set cursor to none not works on Win7?
In-Reply-To: <05F95B1D-3918-49AE-B01B-B6E261A84B37@verizon.net>
References: <70CE43AC-84E0-4004-AD2F-4BF20762E7F5@major.on-rev.com>
	<4493D37F-81BC-4175-8682-DF73BCB5CFA9@verizon.net>
	<B0FE797A-3C75-477D-8A22-77571B060799@major.on-rev.com>
	<05F95B1D-3918-49AE-B01B-B6E261A84B37@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <66E443AC-E86A-4528-8F4B-9309A9FC5F9C@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Colin,

Am 25.04.2012 um 21:25 schrieb Colin Holgate:

> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:
> 
>> "stack is locked"?
>> Sorry, no capisce :-)
> I meant that the "can't modify" box in the stack inspector would be checked.

Aha! :-)

No same result...


Best

Klaus

--
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klaus at major.on-rev.com




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Apr 25 17:03:20 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:03:20 -0400
Subject: iOS Console Error - what does it mean?
In-Reply-To: <330E8562-0904-47F1-8950-4E286806D994@mac.com>
References: <330E8562-0904-47F1-8950-4E286806D994@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0FDF0B41-A4AE-4EEE-947C-2AB63F4EB1CE@mac.com>

Graham,

I haven't had time to test yet but I think something changed in the latest version(s) of LC with regard to autorotate. I had to add the set allowed orientations to a very simple stack in order to get it to rotate correctly. I didn't need to add this before:

on preopenstack
iphoneSetAllowedOrientations "Portrait,Portrait Upside Down,Landscape Left,Landscape Right"
end preopenstack


So at least put portrait in for allowed orientations and see if it goes away: 

iphoneSetAllowedOrientations "Portrait"


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I don't think this is OT, since it's something arising from testing a LiveCode project. While attempting to test my iOS app, I see this in the System Log output. Can anyone say what it means, and if there is anything I can do within LC to correct it?
> 
>> The view controller <com_runrev_livecode_MCIPhoneStartupViewController: 0x8d9d7d0> returned NO from -shouldAutorotateToInterfaceOrientation: for all interface orientations. It should support at least one orientation.
> 
> i thought at first it might be something to do with my Standalone settings, but if so, I can't see what I've changed from earlier tests where this error didn't appear.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 18:51:54 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:51:54 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
Message-ID: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>

Casey's Solitaire has migrated to the App Store. :) If you have an iPad 
you can grab it here:

<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/caseys-solitaire/id508152477?mt=8>

If you like the game, a review would be much appreciated. The Android 
versions are also available at the Amazon Market and the Google Play Store:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_casey.html>

I love LiveCode. I never could have done this otherwise.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Apr 25 19:01:20 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:01:20 -0300
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkN-yoxYN47d0CHgrSnF94vSDXB8PJnsxkJfr+wjh+dqg@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Jacque!!!!

=)



On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> Casey's Solitaire has migrated to the App Store. :) If you have an iPad
> you can grab it here:
>
> <http://itunes.apple.com/us/**app/caseys-solitaire/**id508152477?mt=8<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/caseys-solitaire/id508152477?mt=8>
> >
>
> If you like the game, a review would be much appreciated. The Android
> versions are also available at the Amazon Market and the Google Play Store:
>
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/**solutions_casey.html<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_casey.html>
> >
>
> I love LiveCode. I never could have done this otherwise.
>
> --
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 19:31:58 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:31:58 +0900
Subject: reposition single-line text to the left or right?
In-Reply-To: <64800443-E30A-4A52-BD98-0628970B235D@sonsothunder.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<64800443-E30A-4A52-BD98-0628970B235D@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxn4RDf6p=POdeJhKwON-f-moUpstSzwBVjd_0GhV2DfBQ@mail.gmail.com>

A Son of Thunder asked:

> ? is there a reason you don't want to use the hScroll?

Laziness. My app is for Android, and being still new to that platform,
I avoid as much as possible scrollable objects (even with the help of
MobGUI).

Pragmatism. 90% of the time the field only needs a single word to be entered.

And personal taste (mostly?). Just plumb don't like horizontal-scroll!



Thanks for the solution, Ken.


--
Nicolas Cueto



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 19:32:56 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:32:56 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTkN-yoxYN47d0CHgrSnF94vSDXB8PJnsxkJfr+wjh+dqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAF3jwTkN-yoxYN47d0CHgrSnF94vSDXB8PJnsxkJfr+wjh+dqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9889A8.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 6:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Congrats Jacque!!!!

Thanks Andre. I was positive Apple would reject it for something silly, 
I've heard so many reports here about that. I was prepared for 
disappointment, and when it got in I didn't quite know what to do.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Apr 25 19:41:44 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:41:44 -0300
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F9889A8.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAF3jwTkN-yoxYN47d0CHgrSnF94vSDXB8PJnsxkJfr+wjh+dqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9889A8.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkXEnF-cHqiygiMYMUbALzpZxeebDKWpqT7Wxw7nCdfXQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:32 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 4/25/12 6:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Congrats Jacque!!!!
>>
>
> Thanks Andre. I was positive Apple would reject it for something silly,
> I've heard so many reports here about that. I was prepared for
> disappointment, and when it got in I didn't quite know what to do.
>
>
Please let us know about how it goes! I am interest in how you perceive the
differences between Google Play, Amazon AppStore and iTunes App Store.

=)



>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Apr 25 19:45:53 2012
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:45:53 -0700
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CBBDDAC1.5C032%scott@tactilemedia.com>

See, Apple wasn't quite as bad as you were expecting :-)

Congrats on your release (purchased on Android).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

> Casey's Solitaire has migrated to the App Store. :) If you have an iPad
> you can grab it here:
> 
> <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/caseys-solitaire/id508152477?mt=8>
> 
> If you like the game, a review would be much appreciated. The Android
> versions are also available at the Amazon Market and the Google Play Store:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_casey.html>
> 
> I love LiveCode. I never could have done this otherwise.







From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Wed Apr 25 19:57:44 2012
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:57:44 +0200
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <59700685-65B6-4F8D-B6B2-F538C039C6B6@sahores-conseil.com>

Congrats Jacque. Works very smooth on iPad 1 and green scores comes up ;D

Le 26 avr. 2012 ? 00:51, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Casey's Solitaire has migrated to the App Store. :) If you have an iPad you can grab it here:
> 
> <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/caseys-solitaire/id508152477?mt=8>
> 
> If you like the game, a review would be much appreciated. The Android versions are also available at the Amazon Market and the Google Play Store:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_casey.html>
> 
> I love LiveCode. I never could have done this otherwise.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 20:20:39 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:20:39 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <CBBDDAC1.5C032%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CBBDDAC1.5C032%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4F9894D7.1050309@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 6:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> See, Apple wasn't quite as bad as you were expecting :-)

Yeah. You hear so much here: problems with software setup, problems with 
provisioning, problems with rejection, problems with Apple's picky 
rules. It's pretty intimidating. It was difficult, or maybe it was just 
scary, but I have a client with aspirations and I needed to know how it 
worked. I think after you've done it once, the worst is over.

Andre: I don't know how the App Store sales will go, but since I went 
into this knowing I wouldn't retire on the income, I don't mind saying 
how the Android sales are doing. I sold 10 copies of Casey at the Google 
Play Store immediately after I posted the announcement. A week or two 
later I sold one more. And that's that. It hasn't budged since. On 
Amazon I sold a handful right at first, and then it's been maybe one or 
two a week or so. Amazon says I've sold 30 so far.

Google gives you nice statistics: totals, several kinds of graphs, what 
types of devices are running the app, how many copies were installed in 
total and how many are still active, how that compares with other apps, 
and lots of other stuff. You can download a spreadsheet if you want. 
Amazon reporting is terrible. You can get a little line graph of sales 
over time and the total number of sales and that's about it. Google 
gives you payout dates and cash totals, Amazon doesn't say a word about 
that, and I have no idea when I will get paid. They sent me 8 dollars a 
while ago though.

If you look at the percentages, Amazon is way ahead. If you look at my 
totals, well, don't look at the totals. But I mostly did it to learn 
how, and that was worth a lot. I knew going in that a solitaire game 
wasn't going to be the next Angry Birds, even though both do involve 
some kind of bird crap.

I might have made more sales if I'd called the game "Poopy Cards".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 20:24:02 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:24:02 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <59700685-65B6-4F8D-B6B2-F538C039C6B6@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<59700685-65B6-4F8D-B6B2-F538C039C6B6@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <4F9895A2.7070008@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 6:57 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> Congrats Jacque. Works very smooth on iPad 1 and green scores comes up ;D

Thank you. You won? Wow, that's not easy. Congratulations. :)

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 20:32:04 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:32:04 -0500
Subject: reposition single-line text to the left or right?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxn4RDf6p=POdeJhKwON-f-moUpstSzwBVjd_0GhV2DfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<64800443-E30A-4A52-BD98-0628970B235D@sonsothunder.com>
	<CAGeTkxn4RDf6p=POdeJhKwON-f-moUpstSzwBVjd_0GhV2DfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F989784.6080202@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 6:31 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> A Son of Thunder asked:
>
>> ? is there a reason you don't want to use the hScroll?
>
> Laziness. My app is for Android, and being still new to that platform,
> I avoid as much as possible scrollable objects (even with the help of
> MobGUI).

I did something like this once:

on rawKeyUp pKey
   -- check for eligible field here if you need to, then:
   if the formattedHeight of fld x > the width of fld x then
     set the textalign of fld x to "right"
   else
     set the textalign of fld x to "left"
   end if
end rawKeyUp

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From tereza at califex.com  Wed Apr 25 20:52:07 2012
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:52:07 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F9894D7.1050309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CBBDDAC1.5C032%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4F9894D7.1050309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7EFB4980-EB20-40DC-85AE-9AE23EE0B79D@califex.com>


On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/25/12 6:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> See, Apple wasn't quite as bad as you were expecting :-)
> ...
> I might have made more sales if I'd called the game "Poopy Cards".
> 

Anything with "poop" sells! Tho I guess in the UK it?s "poo".

Poopy Parrot Patience!

I look forward to wasting spending some time with Casey!


t

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>





From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Wed Apr 25 20:57:48 2012
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 02:57:48 +0200
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F9895A2.7070008@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<59700685-65B6-4F8D-B6B2-F538C039C6B6@sahores-conseil.com>
	<4F9895A2.7070008@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B4B1997D-F21A-48E8-9646-E787917E3828@sahores-conseil.com>

Installed on my Galaxy S2 too. At least, a great piece of software on both iOS and Android sides ;-)

Le 26 avr. 2012 ? 02:24, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> On 4/25/12 6:57 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>> Congrats Jacque. Works very smooth on iPad 1 and green scores comes up ;D
> 
> Thank you. You won? Wow, that's not easy. Congratulations. :)
> 
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Apr 25 21:57:33 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:57:33 +0000
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
Message-ID: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>

We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1 second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to how we might speed the process up?

I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.

Terry...



From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Wed Apr 25 22:03:34 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>


J. Landman Gay wrote
> 
> Casey's Solitaire has migrated to the App Store. :) If you have an iPad 
> you can grab it here:
> 

Hi Jacque,
I just discovered I'm lousy at solitaire!
Nicely done game though, very nice indeed.
In fairness, I've not given the parrot a chance to help.
So there is still room for optimism :)

Good luck with sales, they will be well deserved.

--M


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Apr 25 22:04:35 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:04:35 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <16817127062.20120425190435@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 9:11:08 AM, you wrote:

> I think so too. Or even just make the program slightly annoying during
> launch. Graphic Converter does that and its author has been supporting
> himself for years with it, it's hugely popular. It isn't limited in any
> way. He just inserts a 10 second wait after every launch before the 
> program becomes useable. Like most people, I used the free version for a
> couple of years until the ten seconds got so annoying I paid up. I've
> been paying for updates ever since.

I go the annoying route as well. I don't want to release crippled
versions of software because you can't get a good sense of what a
program does if it doesn't do it properly. I hate it when people do
that. I also don't want to bother with time-limited releases, because
they're not foolproof and I'd waste more time coming up with some
complex scheme for it and some idiot would come along and break it in
thirty seconds.

So I have a randomizer routine that comes into play every <random>
launches, disables the program until the next launch, and presents a
nag screen urging the user to purchase a license and stop the
annoyance. The randomizer function is in a protected substack that
also contains key functions without which the program won't work. That
prevents getting around the randomizer function by stepping past the
code or removing the substack.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Apr 25 22:06:32 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:06:32 -0700
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4817244875.20120425190632@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 7:03:34 PM, you wrote:

> In fairness, I've not given the parrot a chance to help.

Help? Help? OMG - you don't know what you're in for!
<g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Apr 25 22:14:44 2012
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:14:44 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021903E4-5BAF-43B5-9AB5-E3C9124DD1B1@mac.com>

Richmond,

I don't know what your program does but if it allows the user to store data you could embed the timestamp in the data.

This is what I do with InfoWallet. The program InfoWallet itself isn't really timestamped but data files it creates are. When the datafile is created it gets a date stamp and that stamp is compared to the current date each time the file is opened. I give the users 50 days instead of 30 and if the 50 days are passed then the data file is simply not opened but the data itself is intact. Once the user purchases a license key the program no longer pays any attention to the date the file was created and they get access to all their entered data and can use it forever.

If the user passes the 50 days and still wants to experiment with the software then can simply create another data file but they would be starting the data from scratch. Because of this, the only functional limitation of the trial version is the inability to export the data back out. If I allowed that, the user could simply keep exporting and then importing into a new data file.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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On Apr 23, 2012, at 1:32 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Um:
> 
> --30 Day code--
> 
> if the fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" is empty then
>  set the lockScreen to true
>    put the seconds into into fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP"
>    save stack "STAMP"
>  set the lockScreen to false
> end if
> 
> put the seconds into DAZE30
> put fld "STAMP" of stack "STAMP" into TSTAMP
> if DAZE30 > (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
>  set the vis of img "TIME IS UP CHUM" to true
> end if
> 
> --End 30 Day code--
> 
> This works very well in a stack (where stack "STAMP" is a substack of my mainstack),
> 
> will it work in a standalone?
> 
> [NOT unless I remove that double 'into' . . .  :) ]
> 
> or, put another way,
> 
> will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 22:18:38 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:18:38 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <7EFB4980-EB20-40DC-85AE-9AE23EE0B79D@califex.com>
References: <CBBDDAC1.5C032%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4F9894D7.1050309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7EFB4980-EB20-40DC-85AE-9AE23EE0B79D@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4F98B07E.7020204@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 7:52 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> Poopy Parrot Patience!

It scans well. It may be too close to the now-forbidden "fart apps" though.

>
> I look forward to wasting spending some time with Casey!

Sometimes after a hard week, even poo looks good. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Apr 25 22:19:17 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:19:17 -0700
Subject: [OT] ROR Difference between has one and belongs to one
In-Reply-To: <5CFF9EE4-F905-4AE5-8ED0-1668452100C0@twft.com>
References: <5CFF9EE4-F905-4AE5-8ED0-1668452100C0@twft.com>
Message-ID: <86818009796.20120425191917@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 9:31:05 AM, you wrote:

> Hi. For anyone who has experience using Ruby on Rails, I have a
> friend who is redesigning the corporate web site, and he wants to
> use ROR. He is stumped at their way of defining relationships. He
> says there is a Belongs To One relationship and a Has One
> relationship. It sounds to me like they are talking about a one to
> one relationship from different directions but why that would be
> useful I do not know. Anyone have any wisdom on the subject?

Typically in object-oriented design you're presented with the choice
between subclassing an existing object (making a new object with all
the properties of the original, but with a few additions or
differences) or creating an aggregate object which contains two or
more other objects. The textbook answer to when you do one and when
you do the other comes down to:

if you have a "has a" relationship then you make a complex object
if you have a "is a" relationship then you subclass an existing one

For instance, if you want to create a button with a blue background,
you'd use a button object and change its properties. That would be an
"is a" relationship. You wouldn't make a group with a button and a
blue graphic overlay object to do the trick.

Rails also has the concept of "convention over configuration", which
is basically "we've already figured out the best way to do things, so
don't get creative here." The idea being that if you have to go and
configure things they'll break, so just use the frameworks the way
they're written, and design your application around rails rather than
trying to integrate rails into your application.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 22:20:26 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:20:26 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4F98B0EA.3020807@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 9:03 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> I just discovered I'm lousy at solitaire!

Turn on all the cheats. Really. Otherwise it's almost impossible to win. 
It isn't just you.

> Nicely done game though, very nice indeed.
> In fairness, I've not given the parrot a chance to help.
> So there is still room for optimism :)

Oh, I wouldn't be too sure...keep an eye on the face cards.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 22:29:01 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:29:01 +0900
Subject: reposition single-line text to the left or right?
In-Reply-To: <4F989784.6080202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<64800443-E30A-4A52-BD98-0628970B235D@sonsothunder.com>
	<CAGeTkxn4RDf6p=POdeJhKwON-f-moUpstSzwBVjd_0GhV2DfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F989784.6080202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxnH1ATbyZRKfe0UDzFbmiTLT9ybUC1cTHFQKuQfu7ROHA@mail.gmail.com>

> on rawKeyUp pKey
> ?-- check for eligible field here if you need to, then:
> ?if the formattedHeight of fld x > the width of fld x then
> ? ?set the textalign of fld x to "right"
> ?else
> ? ?set the textalign of fld x to "left"
> ?end if
> end rawKeyUp
>

Elegant and simple solution. (But changed "formattedHeight" to
"formattedWidth").

Thank you, Jacque!

--
Nicolas Cueto



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 25 23:03:50 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:03:50 -0500
Subject: reposition single-line text to the left or right?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxnH1ATbyZRKfe0UDzFbmiTLT9ybUC1cTHFQKuQfu7ROHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=pbzDMzjsXY331-gXdAP76jAZT+QcCc_oFJqkHg4O_tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<64800443-E30A-4A52-BD98-0628970B235D@sonsothunder.com>
	<CAGeTkxn4RDf6p=POdeJhKwON-f-moUpstSzwBVjd_0GhV2DfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F989784.6080202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGeTkxnH1ATbyZRKfe0UDzFbmiTLT9ybUC1cTHFQKuQfu7ROHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F98BB16.4090803@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/25/12 9:29 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>> on rawKeyUp pKey
>>   -- check for eligible field here if you need to, then:
>>   if the formattedHeight of fld x>  the width of fld x then
>>     set the textalign of fld x to "right"
>>   else
>>     set the textalign of fld x to "left"
>>   end if
>> end rawKeyUp
>>
>
> Elegant and simple solution. (But changed "formattedHeight" to
> "formattedWidth").

Oops, sorry. I'm bird-brained tonight. Glad you caught that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Apr 26 01:59:18 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:59:18 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Terry,
Are you wrapping all 40 (or however many INSERTS) into one transaction?  By
which I mean there should be a BEGIN before the repeat loop starts and a
COMMIT after it finishes.  That definitely helps with performance and also
allows you to ROLLBACK if any of the INSERTs fail.

I doubt that would make fix the huge timing difference but worth a try if
you're not already doing it.

Only other thing I can think of is to try different combinations of LC and
the db on disk/USB - might narrow down which of the two is causing the
problem.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>wrote:

> We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from
> Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a
> usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are
> downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the
> usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1
> second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone
> experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to
> how we might speed the process up?
>
> I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an
> array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to
> the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.
>
> Terry...
>
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From ken at kencorey.com  Thu Apr 26 02:01:00 2012
From: ken at kencorey.com (Ken Corey)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:01:00 +0100
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F9889A8.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAF3jwTkN-yoxYN47d0CHgrSnF94vSDXB8PJnsxkJfr+wjh+dqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9889A8.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F98E49C.2030708@kencorey.com>

Why, dear girl, you run to the bank cackling with the huge pots of money 
about to head your way.

Rovio who?

*grin*

-Ken

On 26/04/2012 00:32, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 4/25/12 6:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> Congrats Jacque!!!!
>
> Thanks Andre. I was positive Apple would reject it for something silly,
> I've heard so many reports here about that. I was prepared for
> disappointment, and when it got in I didn't quite know what to do.
>



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Apr 26 02:20:42 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:20:42 +0000
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>


On 26/04/2012, at 3:59 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

Hi Terry,
Are you wrapping all 40 (or however many INSERTS) into one transaction?  By
which I mean there should be a BEGIN before the repeat loop starts and a
COMMIT after it finishes.  That definitely helps with performance and also
allows you to ROLLBACK if any of the INSERTs fail.

Hi Pete - thanks for the suggestion, at the moment I'm doing 40 separate inserts, like this...

put the cUpdateMessagesSQL of this cd into tSQL # my insert statement
put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", pLocalPath, , , , ) into connectionID
   repeat for each line tRecord in pData # 1 message per line
      # do some formatting stuff here
      put merge(tSQL) into tSQL1
      revExecuteSQL connectionID, tSQL1
   end repeat
   revCloseDatabase connectionID

I doubt that would make fix the huge timing difference but worth a try if
you're not already doing it.

Yes, submitting them all at once could well help. I'm no SQL expert though. How do I format the data and statement so that I'm submitting multiple records at once?

Terry...

Only other thing I can think of is to try different combinations of LC and
the db on disk/USB - might narrow down which of the two is causing the
problem.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au<mailto:terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>>wrote:

We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from
Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a
usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are
downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the
usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1
second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone
experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to
how we might speed the process up?

I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an
array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to
the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.

Terry...

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 03:40:53 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:40:53 +0300
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
	<C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>

The really odd thing is that I tried to build a Windows standalone in 
VirtualBox running
Windows XP (LC 4.5) and got the same problem about doc icons.

When I selected the .ico file I have for my standalone as the doc icon 
as well it did not 'take'.

> Hi Richmond,
>
> I have the same problem. I have modified the standalone application settings window to allow me to enter the path to the icon file manually. When I enter the absolute path for both icons by dragging the icon files into the fields, all works fine. It simply doesn't work if I don't specify a doc icon.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.
>
> On 25 apr 2012, at 21:09, Richmond wrote:
>
>> I've had this problem before, but a long time ago:
>>
>> Building a standalone for Windows on a Mac PPC the build fails (4.5)
>> with this:
>>
>> Build failed for Windows: could not load doc icon.
>>
>> This is nonsense as I had selected "Use None" for a document icon.
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 04:23:56 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:23:56 +0800
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgcVfpDmBnWJqatj2VAHbngbobY2ydxT7QWWX08LAwpdA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> Graphic Converter does that and its author has been supporting himself for
> years with it, it's hugely popular. It isn't limited in any way.
>
> I don't know that Mike Bombich supports himself off the 'donations' to
Carbon Copy Cloner, but it's another hugely popular shareware that isn't
feature limited in anyway. He does keep track of how many times you use it
because every now and then at the end of a back-up a nag screen comes up to
remind you how many times you've used it and to suggest you donate.

The only difference between the pre-donation version and the post-donation
version is you can choose to hide the banner ads displayed in the progress
window. Weirdly enough all the ads are from Other World Computing, of which
I'm a regular customer, so they were never a bother for me, so even after I
donated I clicked on the button to continue displaying the banner ads so I
could keep up with the latest specials from OWC.

Donations range from U$15-100, it's your choice.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 04:55:34 2012
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:55:34 +0800
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgyreuyLx2WtRYNhJiPm+C-_Ur0C3SEvQObSqsQTsOMeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Terry,

Strange you should raise this as I was just wondering myself why SD cards
are so slow when they have no mechanical parts. You don't mention if the HD
you were using was internal or external, but on my own system I get the
following benchmarks:

Internal HD - 99 MB/s
External eSATA (via cardbus adapter) - 81 MB/s
External FW800 - 58 MB/s
Exernal FW400 - 32 MB/s *
External USB 2.0 - 26 MB/s *
SD Card (via card bus adaptor) - 11 MB/s

* same HD, same enclosure, dual port.

I've seen a youTube video (so it must be true;-) which showed a benchtest
between a USB stick and an SD card and the USB stick was about 1 MB/s
slower. I don't have a usb stick to benchtest, but because of the video,
when I bought my last SD card it was the fasted I could find - they have a
speed rating which I can't recall right now.

The above is not accurate because to be a true test of bus interface speed
the HD should be the same, and in this case I've used 3 different HDs, 1 x
Internal, 1 x eSATA & FW800, and the last one in a dual port enclosure.

I believe though that it gives a ball park figure of what you can expect,
and so anacdotally a USB stick is about 10 times slower than an internal
HD. This doesn't fully explain your performance drop, but I believe it
explains a good portion of it.

It also explains why downloading photos off the SD card takes soooooo
loooooonnnnggggggggg......

I still don't understand why though.... there are no moving parts?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>wrote:

> We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from
> Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a
> usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are
> downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the
> usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1
> second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone
> experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to
> how we might speed the process up?
>
> I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an
> array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to
> the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.
>
> Terry...
>
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From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Apr 26 06:01:11 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:01:11 +0000
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgyreuyLx2WtRYNhJiPm+C-_Ur0C3SEvQObSqsQTsOMeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>,
	<CA+uh5kgyreuyLx2WtRYNhJiPm+C-_Ur0C3SEvQObSqsQTsOMeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90D393A2-3FC6-4FBC-BB6B-006A68610EAE@unimelb.edu.au>

Interesting stats Kay. I have a feeling that not all USB memory sticks are equal either. The no-name ones we give out to students (8 GB) are relatively cheap and definitely don't perform as well as a couple of name brand sticks I have lying around.

I don't think we even get close to 11 MB/s out of these cheapies.

Terry...

On 26/04/2012, at 6:59 PM, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> Strange you should raise this as I was just wondering myself why SD cards
> are so slow when they have no mechanical parts. You don't mention if the HD
> you were using was internal or external, but on my own system I get the
> following benchmarks:
> 
> Internal HD - 99 MB/s
> External eSATA (via cardbus adapter) - 81 MB/s
> External FW800 - 58 MB/s
> Exernal FW400 - 32 MB/s *
> External USB 2.0 - 26 MB/s *
> SD Card (via card bus adaptor) - 11 MB/s
> 
> * same HD, same enclosure, dual port.
> 
> I've seen a youTube video (so it must be true;-) which showed a benchtest
> between a USB stick and an SD card and the USB stick was about 1 MB/s
> slower. I don't have a usb stick to benchtest, but because of the video,
> when I bought my last SD card it was the fasted I could find - they have a
> speed rating which I can't recall right now.
> 
> The above is not accurate because to be a true test of bus interface speed
> the HD should be the same, and in this case I've used 3 different HDs, 1 x
> Internal, 1 x eSATA & FW800, and the last one in a dual port enclosure.
> 
> I believe though that it gives a ball park figure of what you can expect,
> and so anacdotally a USB stick is about 10 times slower than an internal
> HD. This doesn't fully explain your performance drop, but I believe it
> explains a good portion of it.
> 
> It also explains why downloading photos off the SD card takes soooooo
> loooooonnnnggggggggg......
> 
> I still don't understand why though.... there are no moving parts?
> 
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>wrote:
> 
>> We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from
>> Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a
>> usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are
>> downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the
>> usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1
>> second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone
>> experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to
>> how we might speed the process up?
>> 
>> I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an
>> array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to
>> the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.
>> 
>> Terry...
>> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Apr 26 07:39:58 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:39:58 +0200
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
	<C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49AE636A-51AD-42FA-9D6C-9CB9663ED974@economy-x-talk.com>

Richmond,

Why is that odd? Same Standalone Builder. Same scripts. Same bugs.

--
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On 26 apr 2012, at 09:40, Richmond wrote:

> The really odd thing is that I tried to build a Windows standalone in VirtualBox running
> Windows XP (LC 4.5) and got the same problem about doc icons.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Apr 26 10:39:42 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:39:42 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <90D393A2-3FC6-4FBC-BB6B-006A68610EAE@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <90D393A2-3FC6-4FBC-BB6B-006A68610EAE@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4F995E2E.6080404@fourthworld.com>

Terry Judd wrote:

 > I have a feeling that not all USB memory sticks are equal either.

Indeed, not by a long shot.

Given that db writes require a lot of jumping around in the internal 
b-tree, there's only so much that can be done to speed them up.  But for 
sustain read/write operations, I've found significant variance among 
thumb drives.

Last year I picked up this XPorter Rage because the reviews raved about 
its unusual quad-channel USB interface - over a single port it opens up 
four logical transfer channels that make fuller use of the connection to 
provide a big speed boost for the sort of "sneakernet" transfers and 
quick backups I do:

Patriot Xporter XT Rage 16 GB USB 2.0
<http://tinyurl.com/82dtpeb>

When copying lots of small files the performance isn't as noticeable due 
to the general overhead of USB and the nature of flash drives, but for 
sustained read/writes it's able to use the one-time hit in setting up 
the connection quite efficiently for overall great performance, far 
beyond any other flash drive I've used.

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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 11:26:04 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:26:04 -0700
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6210581C-F447-4E1C-96A7-8BE8A8732B2E@twft.com>

After reading the directions, I am still a little sketchy as to how the parrot "helps" exactly. I thought he just poops on cards and messes up the order? 

Bob


On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> 
> J. Landman Gay wrote
>> 
>> Casey's Solitaire has migrated to the App Store. :) If you have an iPad 
>> you can grab it here:
>> 
> 
> Hi Jacque,
> I just discovered I'm lousy at solitaire!
> Nicely done game though, very nice indeed.
> In fairness, I've not given the parrot a chance to help.
> So there is still room for optimism :)
> 
> Good luck with sales, they will be well deserved.
> 
> --M
> 
> 
> --
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 11:38:27 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:38:27 -0700
Subject: [OT] ROR Difference between has one and belongs to one
In-Reply-To: <86818009796.20120425191917@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5CFF9EE4-F905-4AE5-8ED0-1668452100C0@twft.com>
	<86818009796.20120425191917@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C2B8E06-11AA-4BDF-A09A-41473B1678A3@twft.com>

Thanks Mark! That helps a lot! I will forward this to the web guy. 

Bob


On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Bob-
> 
> Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 9:31:05 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Hi. For anyone who has experience using Ruby on Rails, I have a
>> friend who is redesigning the corporate web site, and he wants to
>> use ROR. He is stumped at their way of defining relationships. He
>> says there is a Belongs To One relationship and a Has One
>> relationship. It sounds to me like they are talking about a one to
>> one relationship from different directions but why that would be
>> useful I do not know. Anyone have any wisdom on the subject?
> 
> Typically in object-oriented design you're presented with the choice
> between subclassing an existing object (making a new object with all
> the properties of the original, but with a few additions or
> differences) or creating an aggregate object which contains two or
> more other objects. The textbook answer to when you do one and when
> you do the other comes down to:
> 
> if you have a "has a" relationship then you make a complex object
> if you have a "is a" relationship then you subclass an existing one
> 
> For instance, if you want to create a button with a blue background,
> you'd use a button object and change its properties. That would be an
> "is a" relationship. You wouldn't make a group with a button and a
> blue graphic overlay object to do the trick.
> 
> Rails also has the concept of "convention over configuration", which
> is basically "we've already figured out the best way to do things, so
> don't get creative here." The idea being that if you have to go and
> configure things they'll break, so just use the frameworks the way
> they're written, and design your application around rails rather than
> trying to integrate rails into your application.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 11:49:29 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:49:29 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <16817127062.20120425190435@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<16817127062.20120425190435@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4096DA54-4FBB-4CBF-AD84-84FC4DBCAEA8@twft.com>

My approach to buying shareware is if I try something and it helps me do something I need to do, I go buy it, even if I do not need to do that thing again. It's a matter of integrity to me. I think there are a lot of people like that, but I know there are also a lot of other people who think if they can get away with not paying anyone anytime for anything they have done, they will try to do that. I have lost a lot of respect for people I once thought of as friends over this. 

So I guess my point is, you will never change a person. All you can do is try to target the ones who have integrity, and consider the rest to be a waste of atmosphere. :-)

Bob


On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jacque-
> 
> Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 9:11:08 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> I think so too. Or even just make the program slightly annoying during
>> launch. Graphic Converter does that and its author has been supporting
>> himself for years with it, it's hugely popular. It isn't limited in any
>> way. He just inserts a 10 second wait after every launch before the 
>> program becomes useable. Like most people, I used the free version for a
>> couple of years until the ten seconds got so annoying I paid up. I've
>> been paying for updates ever since.
> 
> I go the annoying route as well. I don't want to release crippled
> versions of software because you can't get a good sense of what a
> program does if it doesn't do it properly. I hate it when people do
> that. I also don't want to bother with time-limited releases, because
> they're not foolproof and I'd waste more time coming up with some
> complex scheme for it and some idiot would come along and break it in
> thirty seconds.
> 
> So I have a randomizer routine that comes into play every <random>
> launches, disables the program until the next launch, and presents a
> nag screen urging the user to purchase a license and stop the
> annoyance. The randomizer function is in a protected substack that
> also contains key functions without which the program won't work. That
> prevents getting around the randomizer function by stepping past the
> code or removing the substack.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 11:50:58 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:50:58 -0700
Subject: Time-Stamping Demo programs #2
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgcVfpDmBnWJqatj2VAHbngbobY2ydxT7QWWX08LAwpdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9513AB.5040406@gmail.com>
	<984F24BF-BA5F-4A80-9AC4-EC36A27B2D47@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9516BA.8070201@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgbgx584x9h9mRDY_OgNANMz=N03NfK911w6Zk7Mx+c+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F969E61.20405@gmail.com> <4F96C1FD.907@researchware.com>
	<4F96D09C.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+uh5kgcVfpDmBnWJqatj2VAHbngbobY2ydxT7QWWX08LAwpdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E23030E9-1F15-47CA-B0D7-96A894FEB616@twft.com>

Yeah CCC has saved my buttocks a few times, and I use it a lot, so I "donated" a few times already. 

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> Graphic Converter does that and its author has been supporting himself for
>> years with it, it's hugely popular. It isn't limited in any way.
>> 
>> I don't know that Mike Bombich supports himself off the 'donations' to
> Carbon Copy Cloner, but it's another hugely popular shareware that isn't
> feature limited in anyway. He does keep track of how many times you use it
> because every now and then at the end of a back-up a nag screen comes up to
> remind you how many times you've used it and to suggest you donate.
> 
> The only difference between the pre-donation version and the post-donation
> version is you can choose to hide the banner ads displayed in the progress
> window. Weirdly enough all the ads are from Other World Computing, of which
> I'm a regular customer, so they were never a bother for me, so even after I
> donated I clicked on the button to continue displaying the banner ads so I
> could keep up with the latest specials from OWC.
> 
> Donations range from U$15-100, it's your choice.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Apr 26 13:17:17 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:17:17 -0700
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
	<C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90871889265.20120426101717@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Thursday, April 26, 2012, 12:40:53 AM, you wrote:

> The really odd thing is that I tried to build a Windows standalone in
> VirtualBox running
> Windows XP (LC 4.5) and got the same problem about doc icons.

I just recently started having similar problems. Building a Windows
standalone halts for many seconds at "loading icons" and then
continues, luckily, to the end. I don't know what the standalone
builder is doing during this period. Interestingly, I can take that
same stack and build a Windows standalone on linux immediately. No
delay.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Apr 26 13:37:42 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:37:42 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Terry,
You can still do individual INSERTS, just need a few lines of extra code at
the start and end of your code.  Here's an amended version of your code
with the BEGIN/ROLLBACK/COMMIT in place.

put the cUpdateMessagesSQL of this cd into tSQL # my insert statement
put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", pLocalPath, , , , ) into connectionID

--- Start an sqlite transaction
revExecuteSQL connectionID,"BEGIN TRANSACTION"

  repeat for each line tRecord in pData # 1 message per line
     # do some formatting stuff here
     put merge(tSQL) into tSQL1
     revExecuteSQL connectionID, tSQL1

     --Check for an error and back out the INSERTS
     if the result is not an integer then
        revExecuteSQL connectionID,"ROLLBACK"
        -- Do whatever error tidy up is necessary here
        exit top
     end if

  end repeat

  -- Commit the INSERTs to disk
  revExecuteSQL connectionID,"COMMIT"

  revCloseDatabase connectionID

SQLIte automatically starts/commits a transaction around individual
statements if you haven't explicitly defined one with a BEGIN statement.
 There's disk i/o overhead involved in committing a transaction to disk and
in your case, that overhead happens 40 times.  With the BEGIN/COMMIT in
place, it only happens once and since the performance problem seems to be
related to the slow transfer speed of USB drives, that should help.

The error check/ROLLBACK code will result in none of your INSERTs being
written to disk if an error occurs on any of them.  With the code you have
right now, if you got an error on an INSERT, you'd be left with the INSERTs
processed before the error on disk.  Depending on your application, that
may or may not be a problem.  If you'd rather leave the successful INSERTs
in the database, remove the ROLLBACK line and change the "exit top" to
"exit repeat", that way the COMMIT at the end of the repeat will still be
executed.

If you have any indexes defined on columns in the table you're inserting
into, that will incur extra disk overhead too.  Indexes are great for fast
retrieval and normally their overhead during INSERTs isn't an issue but it
seems that using a USB drive magnifies the effect of every disk i/o so that
could be a problem.  Have you tried SELECTing data from this table yet?
 How does that performance compare?

As far as INSERTing multiple rows at the same time, SQLite recently
enhanced the INSERT command to allow that.  You can specify multiple sets
of column values with the VALUES clause:

INSERT INTO tableA (Col1,Col2) VALUES ('abc','def'),('ghi',jkl'), etc

I haven't experimented with that syntax yet to know if it provides any
performance improvements.  I don't remember which version of SQLite that
was introduced in so it's possible that Livecode doesn't include the
required version of the SQLite library.

There are other things you can do to reduce i/o but I suggest you try the
above first and see if it makes any difference.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>wrote:

>
> On 26/04/2012, at 3:59 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
> Are you wrapping all 40 (or however many INSERTS) into one transaction?  By
> which I mean there should be a BEGIN before the repeat loop starts and a
> COMMIT after it finishes.  That definitely helps with performance and also
> allows you to ROLLBACK if any of the INSERTs fail.
>
> Hi Pete - thanks for the suggestion, at the moment I'm doing 40 separate
> inserts, like this...
>
> put the cUpdateMessagesSQL of this cd into tSQL # my insert statement
> put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", pLocalPath, , , , ) into connectionID
>   repeat for each line tRecord in pData # 1 message per line
>      # do some formatting stuff here
>      put merge(tSQL) into tSQL1
>      revExecuteSQL connectionID, tSQL1
>   end repeat
>   revCloseDatabase connectionID
>
> I doubt that would make fix the huge timing difference but worth a try if
> you're not already doing it.
>
> Yes, submitting them all at once could well help. I'm no SQL expert
> though. How do I format the data and statement so that I'm submitting
> multiple records at once?
>
> Terry...
>
> Only other thing I can think of is to try different combinations of LC and
> the db on disk/USB - might narrow down which of the two is causing the
> problem.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au
> <mailto:terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>>wrote:
>
> We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from
> Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a
> usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are
> downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the
> usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1
> second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone
> experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to
> how we might speed the process up?
>
> I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an
> array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to
> the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.
>
> Terry...
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 14:11:46 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:11:46 +0300
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <90871889265.20120426101717@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
	<C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>
	<90871889265.20120426101717@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F998FE2.2020602@gmail.com>

I have tried building Windows standalones using 4.5 (which, until I make 
some money out of the thing is as far as
I can go) on Mac, Linux and Win with no joy.

I have no problem with 4.0; except that it mucks around with PNG images 
that have transparent areas.

So . . .

Does anybody have any advice about building standalones using Metacard 
with the 4.5 engines for different platforms
than that on which Metacard is running at that moment?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 26 14:16:10 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:16:10 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <6210581C-F447-4E1C-96A7-8BE8A8732B2E@twft.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<6210581C-F447-4E1C-96A7-8BE8A8732B2E@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F9990EA.1060800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/26/12 10:26 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> After reading the directions, I am still a little sketchy as to how
> the parrot "helps" exactly. I thought he just poops on cards and
> messes up the order?

Yes. "Help" is a euphemism. There's one instance where sometimes it can 
work to your advantage. If you can't remember where a card is located, 
sometimes Casey will pull it out by chance and give you a clue which 
talon to focus on.

The real Casey was so "helpful" when I played solitaire that I had to 
write the computer version in self defense.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 16:27:40 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:27:40 +0300
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <90871889265.20120426101717@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
	<C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F98FC05.6070603@gmail.com>
	<90871889265.20120426101717@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F99AFBC.4080002@gmail.com>

"The 'mcstandalonebuilder.rev' file cannot be found. It needs to be put 
into the mccomponents' folder at the same level as the 'mctools' stack."

Joy!

NONE at all.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 16:42:07 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:42:07 +0300
Subject: Building Win standalones on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F984BF4.8080409@gmail.com>
	<C7CAD66C-74CB-4F50-BD82-B83FE2C61370@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F99B31F.2040500@gmail.com>

You saved my life Man!

Just changed the field characteristics of the app icon and the doc icon 
flds: i.e. deselected "lock text" and
selected "focusable".

A wonderful trick that saved me a lot of aggro.

Thanks a million.

> Hi Richmond,
>
> I have the same problem. I have modified the standalone application settings window to allow me to enter the path to the icon file manually. When I enter the absolute path for both icons by dragging the icon files into the fields, all works fine. It simply doesn't work if I don't specify a doc icon.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>




From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Apr 26 17:38:57 2012
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:38:57 +0000
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>,
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>

Wow, thanks Pete - I'll definitely give this method a try.

Terry..

On 27/04/2012, at 3:38 AM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> You can still do individual INSERTS, just need a few lines of extra code at
> the start and end of your code.  Here's an amended version of your code
> with the BEGIN/ROLLBACK/COMMIT in place.
> 
> put the cUpdateMessagesSQL of this cd into tSQL # my insert statement
> put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", pLocalPath, , , , ) into connectionID
> 
> --- Start an sqlite transaction
> revExecuteSQL connectionID,"BEGIN TRANSACTION"
> 
>  repeat for each line tRecord in pData # 1 message per line
>     # do some formatting stuff here
>     put merge(tSQL) into tSQL1
>     revExecuteSQL connectionID, tSQL1
> 
>     --Check for an error and back out the INSERTS
>     if the result is not an integer then
>        revExecuteSQL connectionID,"ROLLBACK"
>        -- Do whatever error tidy up is necessary here
>        exit top
>     end if
> 
>  end repeat
> 
>  -- Commit the INSERTs to disk
>  revExecuteSQL connectionID,"COMMIT"
> 
>  revCloseDatabase connectionID
> 
> SQLIte automatically starts/commits a transaction around individual
> statements if you haven't explicitly defined one with a BEGIN statement.
> There's disk i/o overhead involved in committing a transaction to disk and
> in your case, that overhead happens 40 times.  With the BEGIN/COMMIT in
> place, it only happens once and since the performance problem seems to be
> related to the slow transfer speed of USB drives, that should help.
> 
> The error check/ROLLBACK code will result in none of your INSERTs being
> written to disk if an error occurs on any of them.  With the code you have
> right now, if you got an error on an INSERT, you'd be left with the INSERTs
> processed before the error on disk.  Depending on your application, that
> may or may not be a problem.  If you'd rather leave the successful INSERTs
> in the database, remove the ROLLBACK line and change the "exit top" to
> "exit repeat", that way the COMMIT at the end of the repeat will still be
> executed.
> 
> If you have any indexes defined on columns in the table you're inserting
> into, that will incur extra disk overhead too.  Indexes are great for fast
> retrieval and normally their overhead during INSERTs isn't an issue but it
> seems that using a USB drive magnifies the effect of every disk i/o so that
> could be a problem.  Have you tried SELECTing data from this table yet?
> How does that performance compare?
> 
> As far as INSERTing multiple rows at the same time, SQLite recently
> enhanced the INSERT command to allow that.  You can specify multiple sets
> of column values with the VALUES clause:
> 
> INSERT INTO tableA (Col1,Col2) VALUES ('abc','def'),('ghi',jkl'), etc
> 
> I haven't experimented with that syntax yet to know if it provides any
> performance improvements.  I don't remember which version of SQLite that
> was introduced in so it's possible that Livecode doesn't include the
> required version of the SQLite library.
> 
> There are other things you can do to reduce i/o but I suggest you try the
> above first and see if it makes any difference.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 26/04/2012, at 3:59 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Terry,
>> Are you wrapping all 40 (or however many INSERTS) into one transaction?  By
>> which I mean there should be a BEGIN before the repeat loop starts and a
>> COMMIT after it finishes.  That definitely helps with performance and also
>> allows you to ROLLBACK if any of the INSERTs fail.
>> 
>> Hi Pete - thanks for the suggestion, at the moment I'm doing 40 separate
>> inserts, like this...
>> 
>> put the cUpdateMessagesSQL of this cd into tSQL # my insert statement
>> put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", pLocalPath, , , , ) into connectionID
>>  repeat for each line tRecord in pData # 1 message per line
>>     # do some formatting stuff here
>>     put merge(tSQL) into tSQL1
>>     revExecuteSQL connectionID, tSQL1
>>  end repeat
>>  revCloseDatabase connectionID
>> 
>> I doubt that would make fix the huge timing difference but worth a try if
>> you're not already doing it.
>> 
>> Yes, submitting them all at once could well help. I'm no SQL expert
>> though. How do I format the data and statement so that I'm submitting
>> multiple records at once?
>> 
>> Terry...
>> 
>> Only other thing I can think of is to try different combinations of LC and
>> the db on disk/USB - might narrow down which of the two is causing the
>> problem.
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au
>> <mailto:terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>>wrote:
>> 
>> We're finding that it's very slow to write even small amounts of data from
>> Livecode to a sqlite file when the Livecode app and the db file are on a
>> usb stick (the db stores a local copy of the user's messages as they are
>> downloaded from a server). It seems to be something that is peculiar to the
>> usb setup as it works very quickly when run from a hard drive (less that 1
>> second for 40 messages vs 20-30 seconds on the usb stick). Has anyone
>> experienced anything similar and/or does anyone have any suggestions as to
>> how we might speed the process up?
>> 
>> I'm currently downloading the messages (as xml), converting them to an
>> array (from, to, subject, body, attachments etc.) and then writing each to
>> the sqlite db within a repeat loop and then closing the db connection.
>> 
>> Terry...
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 17:58:29 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:58:29 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>,
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>

Yes, transactions... good! I need to incorporate them into my app when I am ready to go into production (as if I will ever get to that point!). 

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> Wow, thanks Pete - I'll definitely give this method a try.
> 
> Terry..




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Apr 26 18:14:38 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:14:38 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>
	<86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMgote2SD+p9xeH2F-8frJ_g9zYG344K6ro_ec_GrMyDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think you're using mySQL Bob?  If so, be aware that BEGIN and END are
also the means by which you lock the database.  Doesn't matter too much
with sqlite because it's basically a single user db but with multi user dbs
like mySQL (actually just about any db other than sqlite), locking is a
whole other story!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Yes, transactions... good! I need to incorporate them into my app when I
> am ready to go into production (as if I will ever get to that point!).
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>
> > Wow, thanks Pete - I'll definitely give this method a try.
> >
> > Terry..
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 18:22:07 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:22:07 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMgote2SD+p9xeH2F-8frJ_g9zYG344K6ro_ec_GrMyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>
	<86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>
	<CAGDT7eMgote2SD+p9xeH2F-8frJ_g9zYG344K6ro_ec_GrMyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FCD7BC3-872F-48DF-82BD-088F16A1FEBF@twft.com>

Oh thanks. I was aware that beginning a transaction made the database writable by only the client who began the transaction, but does it lock people out of reads as well? In the past I would manually lock a database while inserting records or before doing a transactional update, so that I could mark a particular master record as read only. I would then unlock the database and update as necessary to minimize the impact on other users. I did this only because that was what an old app called SBT written in Foxpro used to do, and that was all I knew at the time, but with transactions, maybe I don't need to worry about that anymore. 

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I think you're using mySQL Bob?  If so, be aware that BEGIN and END are
> also the means by which you lock the database.  Doesn't matter too much
> with sqlite because it's basically a single user db but with multi user dbs
> like mySQL (actually just about any db other than sqlite), locking is a
> whole other story!
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, transactions... good! I need to incorporate them into my app when I
>> am ready to go into production (as if I will ever get to that point!).
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, thanks Pete - I'll definitely give this method a try.
>>> 
>>> Terry..
>> 
>> 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 18:59:29 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:59:29 +0900
Subject: filename path over local network
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

All the wrong terminology I'm sure for something very basic.

At my place of work, there's a server to which my computer can connect via
those blue LAN cables. I know it can connect because I can navigate to it
using the Windows OS navigator, for example, to transfer files back and
forth.

Now, within my stack, I have an image object. If I set the filename to a
jpg that's on my computer, no problem. But, if within the object's
property-inspector I navigate to that same file but on the server, there's
a problem.

Assuming passwords and such are the cause, how do I configure things so
that, like my computer's file navigator, LC and my LC stacks too can
connect to what I assume is a password protected server.

Many thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 19:10:15 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:10:15 -0700
Subject: filename path over local network
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F73FE0F-F6CF-4796-B9C1-634578398F1E@twft.com>

If I understand you correctly, you want to connect to reference an image file on a server. I think this is a bad idea, but if your os has the share mounted, just browse to the file and choose it. You will have to have that share mounted every time you open a card with that image though. 

It's better if you have a project folder and you either put your images in that or inside an images folder inside the project folder (that's the method I prefer). 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On Apr 26, 2012, at 15:59, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> All the wrong terminology I'm sure for something very basic.
> 
> At my place of work, there's a server to which my computer can connect via
> those blue LAN cables. I know it can connect because I can navigate to it
> using the Windows OS navigator, for example, to transfer files back and
> forth.
> 
> Now, within my stack, I have an image object. If I set the filename to a
> jpg that's on my computer, no problem. But, if within the object's
> property-inspector I navigate to that same file but on the server, there's
> a problem.
> 
> Assuming passwords and such are the cause, how do I configure things so
> that, like my computer's file navigator, LC and my LC stacks too can
> connect to what I assume is a password protected server.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Apr 26 19:22:38 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:22:38 -0700
Subject: filename path over local network
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1265B5A8-FD7E-428E-A4CC-E78FF7493CDF@twft.com>

I just tested this. You can reference a file on a file server, but the volume must be mounted for the image file to work. I tried to reference the file by manually typing in the afp URL. (I assume it works the same way with a Windows share using SMB. To the OS X file system, once the volume is mounted it's pretty much the same thing). This made Livecode very, very angry. I had to force quit it. 

So to reiterate, DON'T DO THAT! Put the file somewhere local to your stack file. :-)

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> All the wrong terminology I'm sure for something very basic.
> 
> At my place of work, there's a server to which my computer can connect via
> those blue LAN cables. I know it can connect because I can navigate to it
> using the Windows OS navigator, for example, to transfer files back and
> forth.
> 
> Now, within my stack, I have an image object. If I set the filename to a
> jpg that's on my computer, no problem. But, if within the object's
> property-inspector I navigate to that same file but on the server, there's
> a problem.
> 
> Assuming passwords and such are the cause, how do I configure things so
> that, like my computer's file navigator, LC and my LC stacks too can
> connect to what I assume is a password protected server.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 19:36:26 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:36:26 +0900
Subject: filename path over local network
In-Reply-To: <1F73FE0F-F6CF-4796-B9C1-634578398F1E@twft.com>
References: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1F73FE0F-F6CF-4796-B9C1-634578398F1E@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=eyMKbb8+fJTy9EhRt93q4OExFmXDDi2vwwZSt=ynifw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for responding, Bob.

> If I understand you correctly, you want to connect to reference an image
> file on a server.

Yes.

> I think this is a bad idea, but if your os has the share
> mounted, just browse to the file and choose it.

I think I already tried this, ie, by browsing to the jpg file within
the LC IDE using the property inspector for the image object. No luck.
But I can use the IDE's "File > Image import" to browse and import the
jpg from the server.

Anyway, your next point seemed to have more potential, i.e.,

> It's better if you have a project folder and you either put your images in
> that or inside an images folder inside the project folder (that's the method
> I prefer).

And where would that project folder be located? on my computer? on the
server? Dumb question it seems, but...

If you mean "on my computer", that's my current setup. The problem is,
the stack's gonna be a standalone running on the 30+ computers at the
computer-lab of another school. And, rather than accessing JPGs, it's
5-40Mb MPG videos, which videos my standalone, as it currently is
setup, downloads from my webhost account to a local folder. So, I was
thinking that, rather than overload my onrev account, I could
re-configure my stack/standalone so that the videos could be retrieved
(or streamed?) from that computer-lab's server. That way, I could
package the videos into one large zipped file, and the
standalone/installer in a separate much smaller zipped file for
download.

Off to classes.
--
Nicolas Cueto



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Apr 26 19:36:24 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:36:24 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <6FCD7BC3-872F-48DF-82BD-088F16A1FEBF@twft.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>
	<86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>
	<CAGDT7eMgote2SD+p9xeH2F-8frJ_g9zYG344K6ro_ec_GrMyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6FCD7BC3-872F-48DF-82BD-088F16A1FEBF@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOCd8jd07Ckg9paqn-eYzU7+1_m+TCV5rDiya9hGq-ysg@mail.gmail.com>

Once again, this varies form db to db.  Even sqlite3 can now allow readers
while the db is locked by setting the Write Ahead Locking pragma.

For mySQL, there is a LOCK and an UNLOCK command which allow you to lock
individual tables for read and/or write access, as well as BEGIN and END,
which lock the whole database.  There's a discussion on how LOCK/UNLOCK and
BEGIN/END work here<http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/lock-tables-and-transactions.html>
but
I'd be inclined to use LOCK and UNLOCK rather than BEGIN/END for more
granularity unless you are carrying out some admin task for which you need
exclusive access to the whole db.

I don't know anything about locking on other SQL implementations (yet!).

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Oh thanks. I was aware that beginning a transaction made the database
> writable by only the client who began the transaction, but does it lock
> people out of reads as well? In the past I would manually lock a database
> while inserting records or before doing a transactional update, so that I
> could mark a particular master record as read only. I would then unlock the
> database and update as necessary to minimize the impact on other users. I
> did this only because that was what an old app called SBT written in Foxpro
> used to do, and that was all I knew at the time, but with transactions,
> maybe I don't need to worry about that anymore.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > I think you're using mySQL Bob?  If so, be aware that BEGIN and END are
> > also the means by which you lock the database.  Doesn't matter too much
> > with sqlite because it's basically a single user db but with multi user
> dbs
> > like mySQL (actually just about any db other than sqlite), locking is a
> > whole other story!
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, transactions... good! I need to incorporate them into my app when I
> >> am ready to go into production (as if I will ever get to that point!).
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow, thanks Pete - I'll definitely give this method a try.
> >>>
> >>> Terry..
> >>
> >>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 20:40:32 2012
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:40:32 +0900
Subject: filename path over local network
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkx=eyMKbb8+fJTy9EhRt93q4OExFmXDDi2vwwZSt=ynifw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxn48bZmYdvyyAbf8W1iN+cR4Z+FD6bHWZUKFsCmF_WtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1F73FE0F-F6CF-4796-B9C1-634578398F1E@twft.com>
	<CAGeTkx=eyMKbb8+fJTy9EhRt93q4OExFmXDDi2vwwZSt=ynifw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=sAwGb42vRCxQw=YONmF-3Q7Gu=dgnU09SW=v5W7icRA@mail.gmail.com>

I just realized I was asking the wrong question. Rather than streaming
the video, I simply have my stack copy the files from the server to
the local computer. Just tried it successfully using the LC IDE to
import a txt file onto a card as a field object.

Now, to figure out how to get that path to the server within the
standalone... and whether or not  the Japanese characters in the
pathname will muck up things somewhat.

Cheers.
--
Nicolas Cueto



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Apr 26 20:45:04 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:45:04 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOCd8jd07Ckg9paqn-eYzU7+1_m+TCV5rDiya9hGq-ysg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EC9E27B-90AF-478C-9D56-AB9BFA2C28B4@unimelb.edu.au>
	<86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>
	<CAGDT7eMgote2SD+p9xeH2F-8frJ_g9zYG344K6ro_ec_GrMyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6FCD7BC3-872F-48DF-82BD-088F16A1FEBF@twft.com>
	<CAGDT7eOCd8jd07Ckg9paqn-eYzU7+1_m+TCV5rDiya9hGq-ysg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27898756609.20120426174504@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Thursday, April 26, 2012, 4:36:24 PM, you wrote:

> Once again, this varies form db to db.  Even sqlite3 can now allow readers
> while the db is locked by setting the Write Ahead Locking pragma.

...and don't even ask about how msAccess locks things...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Apr 26 22:29:35 2012
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:29:35 +1000
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eM_1BqSz9YkODDKi7fwLj49tRtUFOVwsE26VNxOTdapYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A546D08E-F4E1-4D1C-9746-66DA721EE0E9@unimelb.edu.au>


On 27/04/2012, at 3:37 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> You can still do individual INSERTS, just need a few lines of extra  
> code at
> the start and end of your code.  Here's an amended version of your  
> code
> with the BEGIN/ROLLBACK/COMMIT in place.

Peter - using the BEGIN/COMMIT form seems to have sped up things  
considerably. Applying individual inserts the 'old' way created a  
temporary journal file for each insert - actually two, as attachments  
were handled separately to the message content. Now just two journal  
files are created and the total write time has been reduced from over  
a minute (on some very slow USB sticks) to just a few seconds. I can  
certainly live with that.

Thanks again,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
Medical Education Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne





From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Apr 26 23:02:35 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:02:35 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <A546D08E-F4E1-4D1C-9746-66DA721EE0E9@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
	<CAGDT7eNDx=PQnCyz=7Q1QK_a4Td88qNbwUZzK8EE9c7uWyKLUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0085776-05D8-459B-8E86-7A5C4467971A@unimelb.edu.au>
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Glad it worked for you Terry.  Sometimes the performance hits on this stuff
aren't obvious until you have to deal with slow i/o speeds.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

>
> On 27/04/2012, at 3:37 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>  Hi Terry,
>>
>> You can still do individual INSERTS, just need a few lines of extra code
>> at
>> the start and end of your code.  Here's an amended version of your code
>> with the BEGIN/ROLLBACK/COMMIT in place.
>>
>
> Peter - using the BEGIN/COMMIT form seems to have sped up things
> considerably. Applying individual inserts the 'old' way created a temporary
> journal file for each insert - actually two, as attachments were handled
> separately to the message content. Now just two journal files are created
> and the total write time has been reduced from over a minute (on some very
> slow USB sticks) to just a few seconds. I can certainly live with that.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Terry...
>
> Dr Terry Judd
> Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
> Medical Education Unit
> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
> The University of Melbourne
>
>
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Apr 27 08:16:37 2012
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:16:37 +0100
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F9990EA.1060800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
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On 26/04/2012 19:16, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Yes. "Help" is a euphemism. There's one instance where sometimes it can work
> to your advantage. If you can't remember where a card is located, sometimes
> Casey will pull it out by chance and give you a clue which talon to focus on.
>
> The real Casey was so "helpful" when I played solitaire that I had to write
> the computer version in self defense.

I've got the app on iPad - well done! - but I was a bit disappointed that 
Casey seems invisible.  The cards move, but you can't see the claw or beak.

Are you sure that this isn't an imaginary parrot?

(Admittedly, there are visible traces sometimes left on the cards...)



From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Fri Apr 27 09:41:02 2012
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
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J. Landman Gay wrote
> 
> 
> Yes. "Help" is a euphemism. There's one instance where sometimes it can 
> 
> 

Hi Jacque,

As soon as I posted I wanted to edit the message and quote "help" as well,
but then Mark Wieder's response was soooo funny I was happy to let it stand
:)

Thanks for the tip on the cheats. Will give it a go.

-- M

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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Apr 27 12:07:33 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:07:33 -0700
Subject: filename path over local network
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I think then that for streaming videos, you need a setup card where you can configure the path to the movie files. When your app starts up, you will need to mount that volume if it is not local. There are shell commands for Windows to do that, as well as *NIX based systems. I do not think that LC has a command or function for mounting shares, but I could be wrong. Applescript can also be used for OS X. For Windows however, you can use this syntax for creating a mapped drive letter in the shell: NET USE G: \\<server>\<path> /YES The /YES switch means persistence, meaning next time the user logs in it will try to remount the share. I wouldn't worry about user names and passwords. It's up to the local admin to make sure that the user has access to the resources. 

Anyway, based on your result from mounting the share, you can inform your user when a mount point fails, and either quit the app or else inform the user that streaming videos are not available until the share is mounted. You can have a button on your setup page which attempts to mount the share where the videos are. 

That would be my approach I think. On Mac OS X server using AFP browsing to an image file in the properties palette worked for me. The path was relative however, meaning it looked something like /./../../Volumes etc. As I said I tried the URL in the form afp://<mount point>/<path to file> and that made LC lockup. I had to force quit at that point. I think an absolute path like /Volumes/<mount point/<path to file> might work, but I didn't try it. For Windows you would either reference a mapped drive and then use a full path, or else you could use the backslash notation \\<server>\<mount point>\<path to file>. That would mean that each app instance would store the path to the video files locally, not have it be some universal setting in a database somewhere. 

I hesitate to say this because it complicates things, but what some software developers do is they install an app on a server, and then when users launch the app from the server, the first time it installs the local app and other resources it needs to run. This allows them to have a config file on the server that can be read telling the client apps where to find all the resources. It also allows the auto install of updates, by checking to see if the local version is the current version. It's just another way of going about it. 

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Thanks for responding, Bob.
> 
>> If I understand you correctly, you want to connect to reference an image
>> file on a server.
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> I think this is a bad idea, but if your os has the share
>> mounted, just browse to the file and choose it.
> 
> I think I already tried this, ie, by browsing to the jpg file within
> the LC IDE using the property inspector for the image object. No luck.
> But I can use the IDE's "File > Image import" to browse and import the
> jpg from the server.
> 
> Anyway, your next point seemed to have more potential, i.e.,
> 
>> It's better if you have a project folder and you either put your images in
>> that or inside an images folder inside the project folder (that's the method
>> I prefer).
> 
> And where would that project folder be located? on my computer? on the
> server? Dumb question it seems, but...
> 
> If you mean "on my computer", that's my current setup. The problem is,
> the stack's gonna be a standalone running on the 30+ computers at the
> computer-lab of another school. And, rather than accessing JPGs, it's
> 5-40Mb MPG videos, which videos my standalone, as it currently is
> setup, downloads from my webhost account to a local folder. So, I was
> thinking that, rather than overload my onrev account, I could
> re-configure my stack/standalone so that the videos could be retrieved
> (or streamed?) from that computer-lab's server. That way, I could
> package the videos into one large zipped file, and the
> standalone/installer in a separate much smaller zipped file for
> download.
> 
> Off to classes.
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Apr 27 12:09:40 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:09:40 -0700
Subject: filename path over local network
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If the videos are relatively short that might be a good approach. If they are large, or the network is an older one, say with 10 Mbit switches, it could be a problem with time to load. I think it should be doable to stream the videos from the server. You just need a method to ensure the volume is mounted before proceeding. 

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> I just realized I was asking the wrong question. Rather than streaming
> the video, I simply have my stack copy the files from the server to
> the local computer. Just tried it successfully using the LC IDE to
> import a txt file onto a card as a field object.
> 
> Now, to figure out how to get that path to the server within the
> standalone... and whether or not  the Japanese characters in the
> pathname will muck up things somewhat.
> 
> Cheers.
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Apr 27 12:11:16 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:11:16 -0700
Subject: Slow write to sqlite on usb sticks
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOCd8jd07Ckg9paqn-eYzU7+1_m+TCV5rDiya9hGq-ysg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2D62A77C-DBAA-4AD2-ADC4-1BC81A70B707@unimelb.edu.au>
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	<86FB0F00-1B6E-43D3-BE7E-8A05C6B87FED@twft.com>
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Thanks Pete very informative. I will have a look at that link today. 

Bob


On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Once again, this varies form db to db.  Even sqlite3 can now allow readers
> while the db is locked by setting the Write Ahead Locking pragma.
> 
> For mySQL, there is a LOCK and an UNLOCK command which allow you to lock
> individual tables for read and/or write access, as well as BEGIN and END,
> which lock the whole database.  There's a discussion on how LOCK/UNLOCK and
> BEGIN/END work here<http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/lock-tables-and-transactions.html>
> but
> I'd be inclined to use LOCK and UNLOCK rather than BEGIN/END for more
> granularity unless you are carrying out some admin task for which you need
> exclusive access to the whole db.
> 
> I don't know anything about locking on other SQL implementations (yet!).
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh thanks. I was aware that beginning a transaction made the database
>> writable by only the client who began the transaction, but does it lock
>> people out of reads as well? In the past I would manually lock a database
>> while inserting records or before doing a transactional update, so that I
>> could mark a particular master record as read only. I would then unlock the
>> database and update as necessary to minimize the impact on other users. I
>> did this only because that was what an old app called SBT written in Foxpro
>> used to do, and that was all I knew at the time, but with transactions,
>> maybe I don't need to worry about that anymore.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you're using mySQL Bob?  If so, be aware that BEGIN and END are
>>> also the means by which you lock the database.  Doesn't matter too much
>>> with sqlite because it's basically a single user db but with multi user
>> dbs
>>> like mySQL (actually just about any db other than sqlite), locking is a
>>> whole other story!
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, transactions... good! I need to incorporate them into my app when I
>>>> am ready to go into production (as if I will ever get to that point!).
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, thanks Pete - I'll definitely give this method a try.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Terry..
>>>> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 13:39:35 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:39:35 +0300
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
Message-ID: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>

All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
my own method:

1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3

2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring 
connexion at the back of the iMac.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1

3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.

http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg

4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card 
on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).

http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg

5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.

This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the 
same time on a single computer.

I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire 
Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.



From tolistim at me.com  Fri Apr 27 13:57:44 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:57:44 -0700
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>

On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Richmond wrote:

> All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
> my own method:
> 
> 1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
> 
> 2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring connexion at the back of the iMac.
> 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1
> 
> 3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.
> 
> http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg
> 
> 4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).
> 
> http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg
> 
> 5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.
> 
> This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the same time on a single computer.
> 
> I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.

I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course, I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one machine, everything just works (and I can choose to only record a portion of the screen).

	http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/

Tim




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 14:26:16 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:26:16 +0300
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
Message-ID: <4F9AE4C8.6050706@gmail.com>

On 04/27/2012 08:57 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
>> my own method:
>>
>> 1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
>>
>> 2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring connexion at the back of the iMac.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1
>>
>> 3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.
>>
>> http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg
>>
>> 4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).
>>
>> http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg
>>
>> 5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.
>>
>> This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the same time on a single computer.
>>
>> I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.
> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course, I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one machine, everything just works

I wonder how many computer people will actually have "everything just 
works" on their tombstones; every time I see that I get
a really bad case of the creeps.

>   (and I can choose to only record a portion of the screen).

You probably do; but I have NO money and piles of old hardware . . .  :)

I also prefer to leave the PC running Xubuntu to just get on with video 
capture while I get on with what I want to
end up on the video over on the iMac.

I then record my sound using a Logitech USB mike.

> 	http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/

$69 !!!

http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php   FREE

>
> Tim
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 27 14:37:26 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:37:26 -0700
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,
I've been using Quicktime to make screen recordings which seems to work OK
but sounds like I may be missing something?
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com> wrote:

> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
> > All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
> > my own method:
> >
> > 1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
> >
> > 2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring
> connexion at the back of the iMac.
> >
> >
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1
> >
> > 3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.
> >
> >
> http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg
> >
> > 4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card
> on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).
> >
> > http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg
> >
> > 5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.
> >
> > This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the
> same time on a single computer.
> >
> > I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire
> Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.
>
> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course,
> I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one
> machine, everything just works (and I can choose to only record a portion
> of the screen).
>
>        http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
>
> Tim
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 27 14:38:31 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:38:31 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <1335534062331-4592705.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<6210581C-F447-4E1C-96A7-8BE8A8732B2E@twft.com>
	<4F9990EA.1060800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335534062331-4592705.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4F9AE7A7.3040606@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/27/12 8:41 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> As soon as I posted I wanted to edit the message and quote "help" as well,
> but then Mark Wieder's response was soooo funny I was happy to let it stand
> :)

I saved it. :)

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 27 14:39:42 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:39:42 -0500
Subject: Casey is now in the App Store
In-Reply-To: <4F9A8E25.9020707@cogapp.com>
References: <4F98800A.1020001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1335405814401-4588673.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<6210581C-F447-4E1C-96A7-8BE8A8732B2E@twft.com>
	<4F9990EA.1060800@hyperactivesw.com> <4F9A8E25.9020707@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <4F9AE7EE.3040009@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/27/12 7:16 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> I've got the app on iPad - well done! - but I was a bit disappointed
> that Casey seems invisible. The cards move, but you can't see the claw
> or beak.
>
> Are you sure that this isn't an imaginary parrot?


He just moves really, really fast. :)

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 14:41:51 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:41:51 +0300
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>

On 04/27/2012 09:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Folks,
> I've been using Quicktime to make screen recordings which seems to work OK
> but sounds like I may be missing something?

No, I don't think you have; but maybe I have.

> Pete
> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>

The whole point (!) behind my 'odd' method is that it lets me use one 
machine for the screen capture and another for the stuff captured;
this point seems to have been overlooked by both yourself and Tim Jones.

>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tim Jones<tolistim at me.com>  wrote:
>
>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
>>> my own method:
>>>
>>> 1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
>>>
>>> 2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring
>> connexion at the back of the iMac.
>>>
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1
>>> 3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg
>>> 4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card
>> on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).
>>> http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg
>>>
>>> 5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.
>>>
>>> This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the
>> same time on a single computer.
>>> I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire
>> Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.
>>
>> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course,
>> I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one
>> machine, everything just works (and I can choose to only record a portion
>> of the screen).
>>
>>         http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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From tolistim at me.com  Fri Apr 27 14:44:05 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:44:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <4F9AE4C8.6050706@gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
	<4F9AE4C8.6050706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEAD4082-2433-406E-86E9-E440B3C4D451@me.com>

On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/27/2012 08:57 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
> 
>> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course, I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one machine, everything just works
> 
> I wonder how many computer people will actually have "everything just works" on their tombstones; every time I see that I get
> a really bad case of the creeps.

Well, I've been doing it this way for around 5 years and it has "just worked", so I don't expect that it will appear on my tombstone...

>>  (and I can choose to only record a portion of the screen).
> 
> You probably do; but I have NO money and piles of old hardware . . .  :)

And in exchange, for those who don't have your piles of old hardware, a $69 solution that runs on the hardware that we do have is a bargain.

> I also prefer to leave the PC running Xubuntu to just get on with video capture while I get on with what I want to
> end up on the video over on the iMac.

But, with Snapz Pro X running, you're doing the same thing - one button click and SPX gets out of the way, capturing everything on your system - including the system audio and the mic track.

> I then record my sound using a Logitech USB mike.

I used to use one of these, but got the Yeti for my WebEx sessions.

>> 	http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
> 
> $69 !!!

But, if I have to buy all of the hardware that you mention (which I don't have), even used prices add up to far more than $69 :-).

Tim




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Apr 27 14:47:17 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:47:17 +0100
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>,
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>,
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W61129DCB73ECC05680BB75ED250@phx.gbl>


Richmond...

Don't go shooting the messengers as I guess they were not aware of your stated 'micawber' like situation or your predicament of being surrounded by mountains of unfashionable hardware... they are just trying to help...:-)

Dixie

> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:41:51 +0300
> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: [OT] Instructional Video
> 
> On 04/27/2012 09:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Folks,
> > I've been using Quicktime to make screen recordings which seems to work OK
> > but sounds like I may be missing something?
> 
> No, I don't think you have; but maybe I have.
> 
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> The whole point (!) behind my 'odd' method is that it lets me use one 
> machine for the screen capture and another for the stuff captured;
> this point seems to have been overlooked by both yourself and Tim Jones.
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tim Jones<tolistim at me.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Richmond wrote:
> >>
> >>> All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
> >>> my own method:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
> >>>
> >>> 2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring
> >> connexion at the back of the iMac.
> >>>
> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1
> >>> 3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg
> >>> 4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card
> >> on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).
> >>> http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg
> >>>
> >>> 5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.
> >>>
> >>> This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the
> >> same time on a single computer.
> >>> I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire
> >> Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.
> >>
> >> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course,
> >> I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one
> >> machine, everything just works (and I can choose to only record a portion
> >> of the screen).
> >>
> >>         http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >> subscription preferences:
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From tolistim at me.com  Fri Apr 27 14:47:45 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:47:45 -0700
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECB20F22-AC46-4C27-B673-6C80602C0574@me.com>

On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 04/27/2012 09:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Folks,
>> I've been using Quicktime to make screen recordings which seems to work OK
>> but sounds like I may be missing something?
> 
> No, I don't think you have; but maybe I have.
> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> The whole point (!) behind my 'odd' method is that it lets me use one machine for the screen capture and another for the stuff captured;
> this point seems to have been overlooked by both yourself and Tim Jones.

I didn't miss that.  I simply believe that since SPX runs seamlessly on ONE system, why go to all of the trouble of multiple machines and cables?  I know it's fun to put old things into service as a project, but why bother in a case like this?

Tim




From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Apr 27 15:16:08 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:16:08 -0700
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePc4FRsw2P64AAM+xUer0bf=UTEgi-2a9hNzaYQ5ZGE8g@mail.gmail.com>

Uh... no I didn't overlook it, I'm simply asking what the pros are about
doing it that way versus using Quicktime on one computer, that's all.
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> The whole point (!) behind my 'odd' method is that it lets me use one
> machine for the screen capture and another for the stuff captured;
> this point seems to have been overlooked by both yourself and Tim Jones.
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 27 15:46:28 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:46:28 -0500
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePc4FRsw2P64AAM+xUer0bf=UTEgi-2a9hNzaYQ5ZGE8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePc4FRsw2P64AAM+xUer0bf=UTEgi-2a9hNzaYQ5ZGE8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9AF794.1060407@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/27/12 2:16 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Uh... no I didn't overlook it, I'm simply asking what the pros are about
> doing it that way versus using Quicktime on one computer, that's all.

I use Screenium:
<http://www.syniumsoftware.com/screenium>

I didn't know QT could do screen capture. I'll have to look into that, 
though Screenium is so versatile that I'll probably stick with it.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Apr 27 16:06:16 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:06:16 -0700
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
Message-ID: <13FDF2B7-E1B0-4FDD-92CD-C5E322AA5407@twft.com>

I also use Snapz Pro. I am very satisfied with it. 

Bob


On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course, I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one machine, everything just works (and I can choose to only record a portion of the screen).
> 
> 	http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
> 
> Tim




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 16:15:08 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:15:08 +0300
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W61129DCB73ECC05680BB75ED250@phx.gbl>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>,
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>,
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-W61129DCB73ECC05680BB75ED250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9AFE4C.8060107@gmail.com>

On 04/27/2012 09:47 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> Richmond...
>
> Don't go shooting the messengers as I guess they were not aware of your stated 'micawber' like situation or your predicament of being surrounded by mountains of unfashionable hardware... they are just trying to help...:-)

I am not shooting anyone; only presenting an alternative way of going 
about something.

>
> Dixie
>
>> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:41:51 +0300
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Re: [OT] Instructional Video
>>
>> On 04/27/2012 09:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>> I've been using Quicktime to make screen recordings which seems to work OK
>>> but sounds like I may be missing something?
>> No, I don't think you have; but maybe I have.
>>
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
>> The whole point (!) behind my 'odd' method is that it lets me use one
>> machine for the screen capture and another for the stuff captured;
>> this point seems to have been overlooked by both yourself and Tim Jones.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tim Jones<tolistim at me.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All the stuff I read on doing this seemed a bit difficult, so I designed
>>>>> my own method:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Use Livecode based standalone on a G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4.11.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Have a VGA to RCA converter connected to the Video-mirroring
>>>> connexion at the back of the iMac.
>>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-8M-VGA-LEAD-CABLE-LAPTOP/dp/B000P3NZ68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335547503&sr=8-1
>>>>> 3. Have the VGA to RCA converter feeding into a Miglia video converter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.dvforums.com/pressflow/sites/dvforums.com/files/resize/remote/069622209bf5a4b37402f51b59e3275a-628x249.jpg
>>>>> 4. Have a Firewire cable running from the Migla box to a Firewire card
>>>> on another computer (in this case a Pentium 4 running Xubuntu 12.04).
>>>>> http://www.pcshopper.com.au/files/images/thumbnails/t_43370.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Capture Firewire video using Open Source software on PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has the advantage that you are not trying to do 2 things at the
>>>> same time on a single computer.
>>>>> I have also done the same, not so satisfactorily by capturing Firewire
>>>> Video with iMovie on a macMini PPC.
>>>>
>>>> I use Snapz Pro X on my existing system with a Blue Yeti mic.  Of course,
>>>> I edit in Final Cut Pro, but that's just to add splash.  No cables, one
>>>> machine, everything just works (and I can choose to only record a portion
>>>> of the screen).
>>>>
>>>>          http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 02:51:41 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:51:41 +0300
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
Message-ID: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>

I am proud to announce this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterpro.html

Richmond Mathewson.



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Apr 28 03:23:16 2012
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:23:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
In-Reply-To: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
References: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richmond, congratulations.  One can tell that this has been a long haul.  Its
not something I will ever use, but Sanskrit scholars will probably be very
grateful to you.

Peter

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 03:56:09 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:56:09 +0300
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
In-Reply-To: <1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
	<1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4F9BA299.4070000@gmail.com>

On 28/04/12 10:23, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Richmond, congratulations.  One can tell that this has been a long haul.  Its
> not something I will ever use, but Sanskrit scholars will probably be very
> grateful to you.

Well, between you, me and the rest of the Livecode Use-List (Ha, ha, 
ha), my attention is
focussed right now on making a few bob out of all that work; whether I 
will or not only time will tell.

As you will have seen from a previous posting; William Heath Robinson's 
ghost and I are now going to
hook up the coat-hangers, pots and pans to make a few instructional 
videos to go with the thing.

Oh . . . While I'm here, there was one chap claiming he was able to 
record screen activity on a
Mac JUST using Quicktime. Please, if you are reading this; do tell!

>
> Peter
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 04:35:00 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:35:00 +0300
Subject: OT: talking to yourself on a Mac.
Message-ID: <4F9BABB4.7020509@gmail.com>

Sorry; no square brackets on the keyboards at school:

KeyNeeds keyboard; educationally wonderful for typing on the Use-List; a 
bit dicky.

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/school.html

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is really wonderful:

http://cycling74.com/soundflower-landing-page/



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 07:09:32 2012
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:09:32 +0300
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video #2
In-Reply-To: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9BCFEC.1030507@gmail.com>

Hey, it's cheap-jack-corner:

Freeseer for Linux, Windows and Macintosh: http://freeseer.github.com/

Recordmydesktop for Linux : http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php

Note about Quicktime: Quicktime X will 'do' screencasts; but, only iff 
you are runnimg Mac OS 10.6 or higher.




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 07:32:25 2012
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:32:25 +0800
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
In-Reply-To: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
References: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E34B700-6512-4455-929D-0CBBE70C6D2F@gmail.com>

Congratulations Richmond.

You have chosen a quite unique niche market that may be much larger than seems at first impressions. I do hope that you are rich rewarded.

Regards

Peter


On 28 Apr 2012, at 14:51, Richmond wrote:

> I am proud to announce this:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterpro.html
> 
> Richmond Mathewson.
> 
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From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 08:38:07 2012
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:38:07 -0500
Subject: [OT] Instructional Video
In-Reply-To: <4F9AF794.1060407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9AD9D7.9010509@gmail.com>
	<0DFE99A9-F4A1-453E-BD11-BBE2A723C32F@me.com>
	<CAGDT7ePUs2mmAkvdHT_383DTYiz3S6C4P=otFjCHhSHVL+3puA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9AE86F.1020008@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePc4FRsw2P64AAM+xUer0bf=UTEgi-2a9hNzaYQ5ZGE8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9AF794.1060407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2E27260F-AF28-4F6B-8EA4-7C94D4B3B7D2@gmail.com>

> I use Screenium:
> <http://www.syniumsoftware.com/screenium>
> 
> I didn't know QT could do screen capture. I'll have to look into that, though Screenium is so versatile that I'll probably stick with it.

Nice one, Jacque.  I like the integrated editing.  I plan to take a look.

I have been using Screenflick 2...
<http://www.araelium.com/screenflick>

?and a Blue Snowball...
<http://www.bluemic.com/snowball/>

?with high quality results.  Last I heard, Quicktime couldn't do screen captures under certain circumstances (e.g., when DVD Player is running).  Many of the other recording applications don't have such limitations and a friendlier UI.

J.




From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Apr 28 12:50:44 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:50:44 -0700
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
In-Reply-To: <1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
	<1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMk7YTbH5rmT1x+uRthPV7xKTzTsLv1O-hA=siUh_toqg@mail.gmail.com>

HI Richmond,
That was me.  There's not much to tell really: run Quicktime and select
"New Screen Recording" from the File menu (you can also do a movie
recording or an audio recording).  There are choices for which mic to us
and medium or high video quality.  Then click the record button and your
off and running.  A "stop Recording" button will appear in your menu bar,
or you can click command-control-esc to stop.

I'm on OS X 10.6.8 and the Quicktime version is 10.0.

I don't think this capability has always been there in Quicktime so older
versions may not have it.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
PS Congratulations on getting your product out!



On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Richmond, congratulations.  One can tell that this has been a long haul.
>  Its
> not something I will ever use, but Sanskrit scholars will probably be very
> grateful to you.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Devawriter-Pro-first-complete-release-tp4594311p4594341.html
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Apr 28 12:50:44 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:50:44 -0700
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
In-Reply-To: <1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
	<1335597795972-4594341.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMk7YTbH5rmT1x+uRthPV7xKTzTsLv1O-hA=siUh_toqg@mail.gmail.com>

HI Richmond,
That was me.  There's not much to tell really: run Quicktime and select
"New Screen Recording" from the File menu (you can also do a movie
recording or an audio recording).  There are choices for which mic to us
and medium or high video quality.  Then click the record button and your
off and running.  A "stop Recording" button will appear in your menu bar,
or you can click command-control-esc to stop.

I'm on OS X 10.6.8 and the Quicktime version is 10.0.

I don't think this capability has always been there in Quicktime so older
versions may not have it.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
PS Congratulations on getting your product out!



On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Richmond, congratulations.  One can tell that this has been a long haul.
>  Its
> not something I will ever use, but Sanskrit scholars will probably be very
> grateful to you.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Devawriter-Pro-first-complete-release-tp4594311p4594341.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Apr 28 13:12:03 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:12:03 -0500
Subject: Devawriter Pro; first complete release
In-Reply-To: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
References: <4F9B937D.70108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9C24E3.1090104@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/28/12 1:51 AM, Richmond wrote:
> I am proud to announce this:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterpro.html

Congratulations! I know this has been a long haul for you, and you must 
be very satisfied now.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Apr 28 15:12:12 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:12:12 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>

Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid host
address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
libURLDownloadToFile.

I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message could
come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
check for an internet connection before attempting a download.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Apr 28 15:30:48 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:30:48 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>

Hi Peter,

I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad 
things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The 
following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect 
the innocent) - watch line wraps:


on mouseUp
    answer "Connection status =" && app_connectionStatus("google.com")
end mouseUp



function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain

     -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
     switch (the platform)
         case "MacOS"
             put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
             put the result into tResult
             break
         case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
             set the hideConsoleWindows to true
             put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
             put the result into tResult
             break
         default -- all other OSes
             answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform && 
"platform."
             put param(0) & colon && the platform && "platform not 
supported" into tResult
             break
     end switch

     -- check for connection failure
     if tResult <> empty
     then return false -- failed
     else -- connected, but how well?
         set the itemDel to comma
         if the platform = "Win32"
         then
             get tShellOutput
             filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
         else -- Mac
             repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0% 
packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
                 get tShellOutput
                 filter it with tFilter
                 if it <> empty then exit repeat
             end repeat
         end if
         return (it <> empty)
     end if
end app_connectionStatus


HTH
Phil Davis



On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid host
> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
> libURLDownloadToFile.
>
> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message could
> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Apr 28 16:24:26 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:24:26 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOaAWyhPnLp5sYmXUCSKX=2RYLvMPYtZ0mQhE9ckMMX4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Great, thanks a lot Phil, I'll give that a whirl.
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad
> things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The
> following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect the
> innocent) - watch line wraps:
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer "Connection status =" && app_connectionStatus("google.**com<http://google.com>
> ")
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
>
>    -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
>    switch (the platform)
>        case "MacOS"
>            put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>            put the result into tResult
>            break
>        case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
>            set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>            put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>            put the result into tResult
>            break
>        default -- all other OSes
>            answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform &&
> "platform."
>            put param(0) & colon && the platform && "platform not
> supported" into tResult
>            break
>    end switch
>
>    -- check for connection failure
>    if tResult <> empty
>    then return false -- failed
>    else -- connected, but how well?
>        set the itemDel to comma
>        if the platform = "Win32"
>        then
>            get tShellOutput
>            filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
>        else -- Mac
>            repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0%
> packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
>                get tShellOutput
>                filter it with tFilter
>                if it <> empty then exit repeat
>            end repeat
>        end if
>        return (it <> empty)
>    end if
> end app_connectionStatus
>
>
> HTH
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
>
> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid
>> host
>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
>> libURLDownloadToFile.
>>
>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message
>> could
>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>>
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
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>>
>>
> --
> Phil Davis
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Apr 28 16:33:32 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:33:32 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <14962984.20120428133332@ahsoftware.net>

Phil-

Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:30:48 PM, you wrote:

>          default -- all other OSes
>              answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform && 
> "platform."

Wot, no linux? :-(

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 28 18:40:14 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:40:14 -0600
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOaAWyhPnLp5sYmXUCSKX=2RYLvMPYtZ0mQhE9ckMMX4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<CAGDT7eOaAWyhPnLp5sYmXUCSKX=2RYLvMPYtZ0mQhE9ckMMX4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <061C1B08-E8C6-4158-8E80-20850713EB18@swcp.com>

Hi, Peter,

I like Phil's solution, but it does answer a slightly different question from you said you want to ask.  I think it is a better question.  It answers not only if there is an Internet connection but  also whether your update server is online and reachable.  That might be more of the question you wanted your script to ask.  It does not say whether there are ftp/http services available on your download server.  

You might want to check with a quick ping by hand to make sure icmp services are available on you server (which they are likely to be).  

Dar


On Apr 28, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Great, thanks a lot Phil, I'll give that a whirl.
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad
>> things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The
>> following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect the
>> innocent) - watch line wraps:
>> 
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer "Connection status =" && app_connectionStatus("google.**com<http://google.com>
>> ")
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
>> 
>>   -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
>>   switch (the platform)
>>       case "MacOS"
>>           put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>           put the result into tResult
>>           break
>>       case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
>>           set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>           put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>           put the result into tResult
>>           break
>>       default -- all other OSes
>>           answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform &&
>> "platform."
>>           put param(0) & colon && the platform && "platform not
>> supported" into tResult
>>           break
>>   end switch
>> 
>>   -- check for connection failure
>>   if tResult <> empty
>>   then return false -- failed
>>   else -- connected, but how well?
>>       set the itemDel to comma
>>       if the platform = "Win32"
>>       then
>>           get tShellOutput
>>           filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
>>       else -- Mac
>>           repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0%
>> packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
>>               get tShellOutput
>>               filter it with tFilter
>>               if it <> empty then exit repeat
>>           end repeat
>>       end if
>>       return (it <> empty)
>>   end if
>> end app_connectionStatus
>> 
>> 
>> HTH
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
>>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
>>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
>>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid
>>> host
>>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
>>> libURLDownloadToFile.
>>> 
>>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message
>>> could
>>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
>>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>> --
>> Phil Davis
>> 
>> 
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From bryan at deepfoo.com  Sat Apr 28 18:48:11 2012
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:48:11 -0400
Subject: problem for the ancients - headless cgi mode and images
Message-ID: <4F9C73AB.9080008@deepfoo.com>

Folks,

This is aimed at people who know the vagaries of the headless cgi mode 
of old.

I am trying to set an image in a headless stack and then get its 
imagedata. In other words, setting it to "http://blurf.com/myremote.jpg"

It does not appear to be working. Is this because the stack had no 
access to http?

Is there a way around this at all?

The server is ancient bsd.


I do have a modern rev server account, but I have no idea how to use the 
existing stack in that context.

The user needs to be able to pass a web URL (not a local one) to the 
stack, which will then return a text string as a result.



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Apr 28 20:59:59 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:59:59 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <14962984.20120428133332@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<14962984.20120428133332@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4F9C928F.5080102@pdslabs.net>

Sorry to disappoint, Mark. I'm certainly not anti-Linux; heck, Linus 
Torvalds and I have the same barber! But I don't have a Linux machine 
and don't really know enough about the different flavors to know what 
'ping' format(s) to use. BUT - feel free to offer a 'case' statement 
that handles Linux!

Phil


On 4/28/12 1:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Phil-
>
> Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:30:48 PM, you wrote:
>
>>           default -- all other OSes
>>               answer "This app cannot run on the"&&  the platform&&
>> "platform."
> Wot, no linux? :-(
>

-- 
Phil Davis



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Apr 28 23:34:49 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:34:49 -0500
Subject: [OT] Server doesn't send response code
Message-ID: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm not sure who to ask about this. If someone knows where the problem 
is, I'll ask in an appropriate forum somewhere.

I've implemented PayPal's Instant Payment Notification system using an 
old-style CGI on my (non-rev) server. It works fine. Paypal sends a 
notification, my cgi responds, Paypal sends "validated", and I process 
the order. The data always comes in and I always get the validation 
response. That should be the end of it.

But PayPal's sandbox test tool consistently shows an error and replies 
"IPN delivery failed. Unable to connect to the specified URL. Please 
verify the URL and try again." Obviously it did find my server and URL, 
because my script received the data and has responded back to Paypal, 
which in turn has responded with a validation.

So I set up a test button on a fake web page and used their sandbox 
accounts to "buy" from myself. Paypal sends its message, my cgi gets the 
data, sends it back, it's validated, and then Paypal starts resending 
the notification every 2 minutes forever until I turn off the system. 
The IPN docs say Paypal will resend notifications until it gets a 
response. When I look at the IPN history, there is no server response 
code for any of the messages (it should be 200.) The response code field 
is just empty.

So I think what's happening is my server isn't acknowledging receipt of 
the messages, which causes Paypal to think it can't reach me, and it 
keeps resending.

Is the problem a header I should be using? A server problem? Some kind 
of block somewhere? ISP setup? Anyone know where I should start looking?

-- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Apr 28 23:38:31 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:38:31 -0500
Subject: problem for the ancients - headless cgi mode and images
In-Reply-To: <4F9C73AB.9080008@deepfoo.com>
References: <4F9C73AB.9080008@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F9CB7B7.4080804@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/28/12 5:48 PM, Bryan McCormick wrote:
> Folks,
>
> This is aimed at people who know the vagaries of the headless cgi mode
> of old.
>
> I am trying to set an image in a headless stack and then get its
> imagedata. In other words, setting it to "http://blurf.com/myremote.jpg"
>
> It does not appear to be working. Is this because the stack had no
> access to http?

I think it's because CGIs do not load the graphical interface, so they 
don't load or draw any images. I'm not sure there's a way around that, 
unless you can read in the raw binary file and work with it that way.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Apr 29 07:20:56 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:20:56 +0200
Subject: [OT] Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jacque,

Where exactly is the CGI sending the return message? The URL should start with ssl://www.sandbox.paypal.com/...

I do this with PHP and that has worked fine for years.

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On 29 apr 2012, at 05:34, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I'm not sure who to ask about this. If someone knows where the problem is, I'll ask in an appropriate forum somewhere.
> 
> I've implemented PayPal's Instant Payment Notification system using an old-style CGI on my (non-rev) server. It works fine. Paypal sends a notification, my cgi responds, Paypal sends "validated", and I process the order. The data always comes in and I always get the validation response. That should be the end of it.
> 
> But PayPal's sandbox test tool consistently shows an error and replies "IPN delivery failed. Unable to connect to the specified URL. Please verify the URL and try again." Obviously it did find my server and URL, because my script received the data and has responded back to Paypal, which in turn has responded with a validation.
> 
> So I set up a test button on a fake web page and used their sandbox accounts to "buy" from myself. Paypal sends its message, my cgi gets the data, sends it back, it's validated, and then Paypal starts resending the notification every 2 minutes forever until I turn off the system. The IPN docs say Paypal will resend notifications until it gets a response. When I look at the IPN history, there is no server response code for any of the messages (it should be 200.) The response code field is just empty.
> 
> So I think what's happening is my server isn't acknowledging receipt of the messages, which causes Paypal to think it can't reach me, and it keeps resending.
> 
> Is the problem a header I should be using? A server problem? Some kind of block somewhere? ISP setup? Anyone know where I should start looking?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com





From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 29 13:18:58 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:18:58 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <061C1B08-E8C6-4158-8E80-20850713EB18@swcp.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<CAGDT7eOaAWyhPnLp5sYmXUCSKX=2RYLvMPYtZ0mQhE9ckMMX4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<061C1B08-E8C6-4158-8E80-20850713EB18@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMJ8FW3E-ZsC5LRSqAG-RO30RxitSo1hEBEedDmp3YqBw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Dar.  You're right, Phil's solution answers a better question than
the one I asked since it kills two birds with one stone - is there an
internet connection and is the server responding.
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> Hi, Peter,
>
> I like Phil's solution, but it does answer a slightly different question
> from you said you want to ask.  I think it is a better question.  It
> answers not only if there is an Internet connection but  also whether your
> update server is online and reachable.  That might be more of the question
> you wanted your script to ask.  It does not say whether there are ftp/http
> services available on your download server.
>
> You might want to check with a quick ping by hand to make sure icmp
> services are available on you server (which they are likely to be).
>
> Dar
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > Great, thanks a lot Phil, I'll give that a whirl.
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad
> >> things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The
> >> following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect
> the
> >> innocent) - watch line wraps:
> >>
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>  answer "Connection status =" && app_connectionStatus("google.**com<
> http://google.com>
> >> ")
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
> >>
> >>   -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
> >>   switch (the platform)
> >>       case "MacOS"
> >>           put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
> >>           put the result into tResult
> >>           break
> >>       case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
> >>           set the hideConsoleWindows to true
> >>           put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
> >>           put the result into tResult
> >>           break
> >>       default -- all other OSes
> >>           answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform &&
> >> "platform."
> >>           put param(0) & colon && the platform && "platform not
> >> supported" into tResult
> >>           break
> >>   end switch
> >>
> >>   -- check for connection failure
> >>   if tResult <> empty
> >>   then return false -- failed
> >>   else -- connected, but how well?
> >>       set the itemDel to comma
> >>       if the platform = "Win32"
> >>       then
> >>           get tShellOutput
> >>           filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
> >>       else -- Mac
> >>           repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0%
> >> packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
> >>               get tShellOutput
> >>               filter it with tFilter
> >>               if it <> empty then exit repeat
> >>           end repeat
> >>       end if
> >>       return (it <> empty)
> >>   end if
> >> end app_connectionStatus
> >>
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Phil Davis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
> >>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
> >>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
> >>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid
> >>> host
> >>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
> >>> libURLDownloadToFile.
> >>>
> >>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message
> >>> could
> >>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other
> way to
> >>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
> >>>
> >>> Pete
> >>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
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> >>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 29 13:31:56 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:31:56 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4F9C928F.5080102@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net> <14962984.20120428133332@ahsoftware.net>
	<4F9C928F.5080102@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMD4XO=Tv5hKejOLEufHULpwjiun_qkzwmw5-ds5EGjOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, Linux would be a useful addition.  I googled linux ping and found the
man page which says the format would be:

"ping -c 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain"

...yet a third variation!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Sorry to disappoint, Mark. I'm certainly not anti-Linux; heck, Linus
> Torvalds and I have the same barber! But I don't have a Linux machine and
> don't really know enough about the different flavors to know what 'ping'
> format(s) to use. BUT - feel free to offer a 'case' statement that handles
> Linux!
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 4/28/12 1:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Phil-
>>
>> Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:30:48 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>           default -- all other OSes
>>>              answer "This app cannot run on the"&&  the platform&&
>>> "platform."
>>>
>> Wot, no linux? :-(
>>
>>
> --
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>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 29 13:49:19 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:49:19 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO0bxoyfXQwOQOcwXvpSb0aDei+StvoOBbvXAcZiaxkqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Phil,
Double checking on the code below in your script.  The man page for ping in
OS X and Linux say that ping has an exit code of zero if no errors are
encountered.  Should the test on tResult be for zero or have you found that
empty works too?

Thanks,
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> -- check for connection failure
>    if tResult <> empty
>    then return false -- failed
>    else -- connected, but how well?
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 29 13:57:47 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:57:47 -0700
Subject: Installing new software
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>

Got everything working nicely with my handler to check for a more recent
version of my program.  The final step after downloading is to copy the new
version of the program to wherever it needs to go on the user's computer
but I can't do that because the program is running (this is on OS X but I
assume it would be the same on other OS's).

I'm guessing the way to do this is instruct the user to quit the program
,have a handler that fires when the program closes that knows a new version
is ready to install and launches an Applescript (on OS X) to do the copy
and start the program again.  Am I on the right track?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From tolistim at me.com  Sun Apr 29 14:02:03 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:02:03 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO0bxoyfXQwOQOcwXvpSb0aDei+StvoOBbvXAcZiaxkqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<CAGDT7eO0bxoyfXQwOQOcwXvpSb0aDei+StvoOBbvXAcZiaxkqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5736C61-479F-4DD3-8368-95E6C84C8ACC@me.com>

Pete,

It's a good idea to always check the error code returned from a shell command.  The actual text may various from one OS update to another, so depending of the text returned can be a quick way to introduce an odd "bug" that works on one platform, but not on another.  The man page will describe the returned values.  If they are the text values (like ENOSPC, or EINVAL), you can look those up in the errno.h file (usually in /usr/include/sys/errno.h).

Since ping returns data on both a failure and a success, checking for an empty tResult would always result in a "failure" as written.

Tim

On Apr 29, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Hi Phil,
> Double checking on the code below in your script.  The man page for ping in
> OS X and Linux say that ping has an exit code of zero if no errors are
> encountered.  Should the test on tResult be for zero or have you found that
> empty works too?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
> 
>> -- check for connection failure
>>   if tResult <> empty
>>   then return false -- failed
>>   else -- connected, but how well?
>> 





From tolistim at me.com  Sun Apr 29 14:04:19 2012
From: tolistim at me.com (Tim Jones)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:04:19 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <B5736C61-479F-4DD3-8368-95E6C84C8ACC@me.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<CAGDT7eO0bxoyfXQwOQOcwXvpSb0aDei+StvoOBbvXAcZiaxkqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5736C61-479F-4DD3-8368-95E6C84C8ACC@me.com>
Message-ID: <97D932B3-EC1C-4FAC-95F2-1A8333CD9D89@me.com>

Urgh - autocorrect sux!

	The actual text may "vary" from one OS update to another

Tim

On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> Pete,
> 
> It's a good idea to always check the error code returned from a shell command.  The actual text may various from one OS update to another, so depending of the text returned can be a quick way to introduce an odd "bug" that works on one platform, but not on another.  The man page will describe the returned values.  If they are the text values (like ENOSPC, or EINVAL), you can look those up in the errno.h file (usually in /usr/include/sys/errno.h).
> 
> Since ping returns data on both a failure and a success, checking for an empty tResult would always result in a "failure" as written.
> 
> Tim
> 
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> Hi Phil,
>> Double checking on the code below in your script.  The man page for ping in
>> OS X and Linux say that ping has an exit code of zero if no errors are
>> encountered.  Should the test on tResult be for zero or have you found that
>> empty works too?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> -- check for connection failure
>>>  if tResult <> empty
>>>  then return false -- failed
>>>  else -- connected, but how well?
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Apr 29 15:07:38 2012
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:07:38 +0100
Subject: Installing new software
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9D917A.1040301@tweedly.net>

Hmmmm ... I could be wrong (Haven't done it myself), but I thought the 
usual way to do this was to have a "splash screen" approach

  - the splash screen stack starts up and quickly displays a splash screen
  - then it checks for a new version.
         and if there is one the splash stack downloads the new "real" 
stack
  - then the splash stack replaces the old "real" stack with the new 
"real" stack
  - then the splash stack transfers control to the "real": stack

(with many variations about when / where / what you ask the user ....)

but the essence is that the downloading / replacing is done by the 
splash stack, not by the real stack, so there is never any need to 
replace the stack file which is running.

-- Alex.

On 29/04/2012 18:57, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Got everything working nicely with my handler to check for a more recent
> version of my program.  The final step after downloading is to copy the new
> version of the program to wherever it needs to go on the user's computer
> but I can't do that because the program is running (this is on OS X but I
> assume it would be the same on other OS's).
>
> I'm guessing the way to do this is instruct the user to quit the program
> ,have a handler that fires when the program closes that knows a new version
> is ready to install and launches an Applescript (on OS X) to do the copy
> and start the program again.  Am I on the right track?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 15:32:51 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:32:51 -0500
Subject: [OT] Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 6:20 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
>
> Where exactly is the CGI sending the return message? The URL should
> start with ssl://www.sandbox.paypal.com/...
>
> I do this with PHP and that has worked fine for years.

According to the most recent docs, it should be sent to 
<https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr>

That must work, because I get responses. I think I've traced the problem 
to a liburl timeout. Do you use a liburl stack?

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 15:37:26 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:37:26 -0500
Subject: [OT] Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9D9876.6060502@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 2:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 4/29/12 6:20 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Hi Jacque,
>>
>> Where exactly is the CGI sending the return message? The URL should
>> start with ssl://www.sandbox.paypal.com/...
>>
>> I do this with PHP and that has worked fine for years.
>
> According to the most recent docs, it should be sent to
> <https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr>
>
> That must work, because I get responses. I think I've traced the problem
> to a liburl timeout. Do you use a liburl stack?
>

Never mind, I see you're using PHP.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 29 15:49:21 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:49:21 -0700
Subject: Installing new software
In-Reply-To: <4F9D917A.1040301@tweedly.net>
References: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9D917A.1040301@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePy96oUYHBYF06=882s=ptj0XXRES7mSU5p2qDstKQmZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex,
Thanks for the suggestion. That would work but I'm just not a big fan of
the "splash stack" approach in general unless there's a genuine (at least
in my opinion!) reason for having one, like an extended amount of time to
initialise the program.  In this case, I'd rather delay the user every time
they run the program with a splash stack if the only reason for it is to
deal with a situation that happens infrequently.

But that's just me :-)

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Hmmmm ... I could be wrong (Haven't done it myself), but I thought the
> usual way to do this was to have a "splash screen" approach
>
>  - the splash screen stack starts up and quickly displays a splash screen
>  - then it checks for a new version.
>        and if there is one the splash stack downloads the new "real" stack
>  - then the splash stack replaces the old "real" stack with the new "real"
> stack
>  - then the splash stack transfers control to the "real": stack
>
> (with many variations about when / where / what you ask the user ....)
>
> but the essence is that the downloading / replacing is done by the splash
> stack, not by the real stack, so there is never any need to replace the
> stack file which is running.
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 29/04/2012 18:57, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Got everything working nicely with my handler to check for a more recent
>> version of my program.  The final step after downloading is to copy the
>> new
>> version of the program to wherever it needs to go on the user's computer
>> but I can't do that because the program is running (this is on OS X but I
>> assume it would be the same on other OS's).
>>
>> I'm guessing the way to do this is instruct the user to quit the program
>> ,have a handler that fires when the program closes that knows a new
>> version
>> is ready to install and launches an Applescript (on OS X) to do the copy
>> and start the program again.  Am I on the right track?
>>
>> Pete
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 17:02:20 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:02:20 -0500
Subject: Installing new software
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePy96oUYHBYF06=882s=ptj0XXRES7mSU5p2qDstKQmZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9D917A.1040301@tweedly.net>
	<CAGDT7ePy96oUYHBYF06=882s=ptj0XXRES7mSU5p2qDstKQmZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DAC5C.6010504@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 2:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> Thanks for the suggestion. That would work but I'm just not a big fan of
> the "splash stack" approach in general unless there's a genuine (at least
> in my opinion!) reason for having one, like an extended amount of time to
> initialise the program.  In this case, I'd rather delay the user every time
> they run the program with a splash stack if the only reason for it is to
> deal with a situation that happens infrequently.

It doesn't have to actually display or wait. It can be set invisible on 
preopenstack and go immediately to the main stack. Then when you do an 
update, you could show it so the user has something to look at, and add 
a progress bar too if you want.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 17:06:58 2012
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham, MD)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:06:58 -0400
Subject: Installing new software
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePy96oUYHBYF06=882s=ptj0XXRES7mSU5p2qDstKQmZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9D917A.1040301@tweedly.net>
	<CAGDT7ePy96oUYHBYF06=882s=ptj0XXRES7mSU5p2qDstKQmZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <618033CF-B75D-4653-9ABE-5D5F73ECFCBE@gmail.com>

On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

>> Hmmmm ... I could be wrong (Haven't done it myself), but I thought the
>> usual way to do this was to have a "splash screen" approach
>> 
>> - the splash screen stack starts up and quickly displays a splash screen
>> - then it checks for a new version.
>>       and if there is one the splash stack downloads the new "real" stack
>> - then the splash stack replaces the old "real" stack with the new "real"
>> stack
>> - then the splash stack transfers control to the "real": stack
>> 
>> (with many variations about when / where / what you ask the user ....)
>> 
>> but the essence is that the downloading / replacing is done by the splash
>> stack, not by the real stack, so there is never any need to replace the
>> stack file which is running.
> 
> Hi Alex,
> Thanks for the suggestion. That would work but I'm just not a big fan of
> the "splash stack" approach in general unless there's a genuine (at least
> in my opinion!) reason for having one, like an extended amount of time to
> initialise the program.  In this case, I'd rather delay the user every time
> they run the program with a splash stack if the only reason for it is to
> deal with a situation that happens infrequently.
> 
> But that's just me :-)

The delay in using a splash stack should be minimal, unless you are doing something really time-intensive, and the user will expect a little delay, since almost every app uses the startup to initialize various things. I think building this into your startup routine is the way to go. If no update is needed, the user won't notice a thing, and if one is available you can offer the choice of updating now or postponing it. All that is pretty much industry standard. Unless I'm misunderstanding your objection.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Apr 29 18:40:05 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:40:05 -0700
Subject: Installing new software
In-Reply-To: <4F9DAC5C.6010504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNOq0KVhj3VRBe0ETCa+1rPdgADU3Eoa5H=W96TbLvXxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9D917A.1040301@tweedly.net>
	<CAGDT7ePy96oUYHBYF06=882s=ptj0XXRES7mSU5p2qDstKQmZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9DAC5C.6010504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNxJprbjYsgHtLK+XdQ9=8a2ia97neYaoPDhkWj+hGryg@mail.gmail.com>

Appreciate the input folks.

I guess as much as anything else, I'm reluctant to start messing with my
stack structure at this late stage of the game for a released product.  I
can pretty much guarantee there will be unforseen consequences!

On thinking about this more, I'm not sure I should really overwrite the
existing version of the program with the new one.  I kinda like the way
RunRev does things in that their program file names include the version
number.  That means I can download a new version and run it to see if I
like the new version without destroying the old version.  In fact, I keep
all the old versions of LC around.

On a related issue, I do have a progress scrollbar during the download.  It
works fine but how do I change the color of the progress bar?  I've tried
setting the various options on the Inspector Colors tab but they don't seem
to have any effect.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:02 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 4/29/12 2:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>> Thanks for the suggestion. That would work but I'm just not a big fan of
>> the "splash stack" approach in general unless there's a genuine (at least
>> in my opinion!) reason for having one, like an extended amount of time to
>> initialise the program.  In this case, I'd rather delay the user every
>> time
>> they run the program with a splash stack if the only reason for it is to
>> deal with a situation that happens infrequently.
>>
>
> It doesn't have to actually display or wait. It can be set invisible on
> preopenstack and go immediately to the main stack. Then when you do an
> update, you could show it so the user has something to look at, and add a
> progress bar too if you want.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 19:07:19 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:07:19 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>

I could still use some advice. I know at least a couple people have 
liburl working with old-style cgis. I'm running rev 3.5 and liburl 1.1.6.

This script receives and logs all paypal data but hangs, causing the 
sandbox to think it couldn't find the server:

#!rev -ui

on startup
   if $REQUEST_METHOD = "POST" then
     start using stack "liburl"
     read from stdin until empty
     put it into tOrderData
     LOG the time && "Received:" && tOrderData
     put "cmd=_notify-validate&" before tOrderData -- required response
     put "https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" into tPPAddr
     post tOrderData to tPPAddr
     if the result <> "" then LOG "Post result:" && the result
     put it into tResponse -- "VERIFIED" or "INVALID"
     LOG "Response:" && it
     stop using stack "liburl"
   end if
end startup

on LOG pData
   put "paypalLog.txt" into tFile
   open file tFile for append
   write pData &cr & cr to file tFile
   close file tFile
end LOG

Five minutes after this is run, an error occurs but no specifics are 
listed in the server log, only that there was no 500 html file (which is 
how I know something went wrong.) I'm assuming it's a timeout.

Very old list messages suggest a socket may be left open. I tried both 
of these:

   set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"  -- before the post command

and:

   repeat for each line s in the openSockets -- at the end of the script
       try
         close socket s
       catch tErr
         LOG tErr
       end try
   end repeat

Both of these cause an unspecified 500 server error. Nothing is logged.

I also tried changing the https: to plain http:, but I get a 302 
redirect and the script stops.

I know liburl is in use because it's logging some things, like the 302 
error, and I also logged the result after putting the stack in use; it 
was always empty. I don't see a way to get liburl to log to a file, so I 
don't know where it's going wrong.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Apr 29 19:28:56 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:28:56 +1000
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Jaque

What engine are you using? https was introduced in 2.5 and I believe it requires revsecurity.so

Might be simpler to switch to php or LC server.

Cheers

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Apr 29 19:34:55 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:34:55 +0200
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <81F18860-0762-4CE7-9A01-3C6F1D0B6A27@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jacque,

Is it possible that you need to urlDecode or unescape the data from stdIn before posting them back to PayPal? Could it be that the data parts in tOrderData need to be urlEncoded? Could there be a problem with the character encoding? I always make sure that I send and receive UTF8.

Have you tried libUrlSetSSLVerification false?

My PHP script contains a "Content-Length" header, which is set to the total length of tOrderData. I'm also using a header "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded". I don't see these headers in your script. The libUrlPostFormdata command uses the second header too and that makes me think that it may not be sent automatically with the post command.

I use a socket timeout interval of 30 seconds, yours seems to be 10 seconds (the default).

--
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We will have room for new projects after 1 June. Contact me now and be first in line.

On 30 apr 2012, at 01:07, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I could still use some advice. I know at least a couple people have liburl working with old-style cgis. I'm running rev 3.5 and liburl 1.1.6.
> 
> This script receives and logs all paypal data but hangs, causing the sandbox to think it couldn't find the server:
> 
> #!rev -ui
> 
> on startup
>  if $REQUEST_METHOD = "POST" then
>    start using stack "liburl"
>    read from stdin until empty
>    put it into tOrderData
>    LOG the time && "Received:" && tOrderData
>    put "cmd=_notify-validate&" before tOrderData -- required response
>    put "https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" into tPPAddr
>    post tOrderData to tPPAddr
>    if the result <> "" then LOG "Post result:" && the result
>    put it into tResponse -- "VERIFIED" or "INVALID"
>    LOG "Response:" && it
>    stop using stack "liburl"
>  end if
> end startup
> 
> on LOG pData
>  put "paypalLog.txt" into tFile
>  open file tFile for append
>  write pData &cr & cr to file tFile
>  close file tFile
> end LOG
> 
> Five minutes after this is run, an error occurs but no specifics are listed in the server log, only that there was no 500 html file (which is how I know something went wrong.) I'm assuming it's a timeout.
> 
> Very old list messages suggest a socket may be left open. I tried both of these:
> 
>  set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"  -- before the post command
> 
> and:
> 
>  repeat for each line s in the openSockets -- at the end of the script
>      try
>        close socket s
>      catch tErr
>        LOG tErr
>      end try
>  end repeat
> 
> Both of these cause an unspecified 500 server error. Nothing is logged.
> 
> I also tried changing the https: to plain http:, but I get a 302 redirect and the script stops.
> 
> I know liburl is in use because it's logging some things, like the 302 error, and I also logged the result after putting the stack in use; it was always empty. I don't see a way to get liburl to log to a file, so I don't know where it's going wrong.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 21:00:38 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:00:38 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 6:28 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Hi Jaque
>
> What engine are you using? https was introduced in 2.5 and I believe
> it requires revsecurity.so
>
> Might be simpler to switch to php or LC server.

Thanks for responding Monte. I'm using engine 3.5. I'm not sure about 
the library, is that something I need to copy over to the server? Do you 
know where it should go?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 21:14:56 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:14:56 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <81F18860-0762-4CE7-9A01-3C6F1D0B6A27@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<81F18860-0762-4CE7-9A01-3C6F1D0B6A27@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DE790.9080207@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 6:34 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
>
> Is it possible that you need to urlDecode or unescape the data from
> stdIn before posting them back to PayPal? Could it be that the data
> parts in tOrderData need to be urlEncoded? Could there be a problem
> with the character encoding? I always make sure that I send and
> receive UTF8.

There's no problem sending posts or receiving the data, that part is 
working. If it weren't for the hang at the end, I'd have everything I 
need. The data is already urlEncoded, I just send it back intact.

>
> Have you tried libUrlSetSSLVerification false?

Yes, no difference. I think that command is just for receiving secure data.

> The libUrlPostFormdata command uses the second header too and
> that makes me think that it may not be sent automatically with the
> post command.

I'm not really posting form data back, just returning a url-encoded 
string. But again, paypal has no problem with what I'm sending; it gets 
my posts and answers me fine, and I have all the data I need to process 
the transaction. The post command appears to be working. There's just 
that hang at the end where paypal is waiting for some kind of ack and 
isn't getting one.

I was reading that some ISPs disallow sending to https from a cgi; does 
anyone know about that?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Apr 29 21:23:11 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:23:11 +1000
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>


On 30/04/2012, at 11:00 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/29/12 6:28 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi Jaque
>> 
>> What engine are you using? https was introduced in 2.5 and I believe
>> it requires revsecurity.so
>> 
>> Might be simpler to switch to php or LC server.
> 
> Thanks for responding Monte. I'm using engine 3.5. I'm not sure about the library, is that something I need to copy over to the server? Do you know where it should go?


I'm assuming your server is Linux. Put it next to the engine. It should be in inside the app bundle somewhere. If all else fails, use Rev 3.5 to build a stack for Linux with SSL and see where the Standalone Builder puts it ;-)

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From calhorner at xtra.co.nz  Sun Apr 29 21:31:41 2012
From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:31:41 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: The revMenuBar
Message-ID: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>

Is there any reason for the IDE revMenubar to be as wide as it is?

If you have ever taken a little wander with the  Property inspector you will
see that the max width and max height can be 65535!

What could be the possible reason for the attributes to be set that large?

Well, anyway back to the questions at hand:

1) The reason for all the extra real estate.

2) what is the preferred way of locking it back to a smaller width?

In other words, I could make use of that extra space that is now being taken
up, for no apparent reason, by a very large blank space on the menubar.

Cal

From dfepstein at comcast.net  Sun Apr 29 21:36:11 2012
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:36:11 -0400
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
Message-ID: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>

Are there any limits on what characters can be used in an array key?   
For example, do tab characters cause problems?
Many thanks.

David Epstein



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 21:48:09 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:48:09 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 8:23 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>
> On 30/04/2012, at 11:00 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/12 6:28 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>>> Hi Jaque
>>>
>>> What engine are you using? https was introduced in 2.5 and I
>>> believe it requires revsecurity.so
>>>
>>> Might be simpler to switch to php or LC server.
>>
>> Thanks for responding Monte. I'm using engine 3.5. I'm not sure
>> about the library, is that something I need to copy over to the
>> server? Do you know where it should go?
>
>
> I'm assuming your server is Linux. Put it next to the engine. It
> should be in inside the app bundle somewhere. If all else fails, use
> Rev 3.5 to build a stack for Linux with SSL and see where the
> Standalone Builder puts it ;-)

Linux, yes. I couldn't find revsecurity.so anywhere, so I built a test 
app as you suggested with SSL included. It must become a part of the 
app, because there are no external files in it. All I get is the app.

Does anyone out there happen to have a copy of revsecurity.so?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Apr 29 21:55:27 2012
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:55:27 +1000
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BC20BA9D-8235-4884-B152-B74512EF7D49@sweattechnologies.com>

hmm... it may have been called something else before. I vaguely recall the windows dll changing it's name. It's certainly called revsecurity.so in the current bundle. Is it possible it was supported later on Linux than on other platforms? 

Cheers

Monte
On 30/04/2012, at 11:48 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/29/12 8:23 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> 
>> On 30/04/2012, at 11:00 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/29/12 6:28 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>>>> Hi Jaque
>>>> 
>>>> What engine are you using? https was introduced in 2.5 and I
>>>> believe it requires revsecurity.so
>>>> 
>>>> Might be simpler to switch to php or LC server.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for responding Monte. I'm using engine 3.5. I'm not sure
>>> about the library, is that something I need to copy over to the
>>> server? Do you know where it should go?
>> 
>> 
>> I'm assuming your server is Linux. Put it next to the engine. It
>> should be in inside the app bundle somewhere. If all else fails, use
>> Rev 3.5 to build a stack for Linux with SSL and see where the
>> Standalone Builder puts it ;-)
> 
> Linux, yes. I couldn't find revsecurity.so anywhere, so I built a test app as you suggested with SSL included. It must become a part of the app, because there are no external files in it. All I get is the app.
> 
> Does anyone out there happen to have a copy of revsecurity.so?
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 21:55:35 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:55:35 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DF117.6080902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 8:23 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:


> I'm assuming your server is Linux. Put it next to the engine. It
> should be in inside the app bundle somewhere. If all else fails, use
> Rev 3.5 to build a stack for Linux with SSL and see where the
> Standalone Builder puts it ;-)

Ah -- found a copy in an old app I'd built last year. It does live next 
to the engine. I copied it to the server next to the engine there, set 
permissions to 755. Didn't help. :(

I had hopes.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Apr 29 21:59:52 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:59:52 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <BC20BA9D-8235-4884-B152-B74512EF7D49@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EB99A075-8901-4C31-865A-E11941E98A04@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BC20BA9D-8235-4884-B152-B74512EF7D49@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4F9DF218.8090701@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 8:55 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> hmm... it may have been called something else before. I vaguely
> recall the windows dll changing it's name. It's certainly called
> revsecurity.so in the current bundle. Is it possible it was supported
> later on Linux than on other platforms?

I don't know. I do see it in the current bundle. In 3.5 there is an 
option to use SSL in the standalone builder but there's no separate file 
in the built app or in the Rev bundle.

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Apr 29 22:01:37 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:01:37 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4F9DF281.5000205@pdslabs.net>

Hi David,

I doubt tabs make trouble but don't really know. When I have a 
tab-delimited line I'm using as a key, I usually base64Encode it first.

I would not use nulls in a key, but again I don't really know if it 
would cause problems.

Best -
Phil Davis



On 4/29/12 6:36 PM, David Epstein wrote:
> Are there any limits on what characters can be used in an array key?  
> For example, do tab characters cause problems?
> Many thanks.
>
> David Epstein
>
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Apr 29 22:35:06 2012
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:35:06 -0700
Subject: iOS Real Estate
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335718802.16915.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335718802.16915.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DF686BA8-DDFE-46BE-85D3-2B1340877C2F@mac.com>

Ok, I know I'm missing something simple, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I have a stack that's 1000 by 1000 pixels, and I'm testing it in the iPad Simulator 5.1. In the Standalone Application Settings, I am building for iOS 5.0 or Later, Armv7, and I have set it for Landscape Left. 

The problem is the simulator cuts off my stack to something less than 1000 pixels in both dimensions. I know that the Retina display has a resolution of 2048 by 1536, plenty of real estate to show my stack, but it doesn't. What the heck is going on?

BTW, I'm using LiveCode v 5.5. on a Mac.

TIA,
Roger



From charles at buchwald.ca  Sun Apr 29 22:38:46 2012
From: charles at buchwald.ca (Charles E Buchwald)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:38:46 -0500
Subject: iOS Real Estate
In-Reply-To: <DF686BA8-DDFE-46BE-85D3-2B1340877C2F@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1335718802.16915.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DF686BA8-DDFE-46BE-85D3-2B1340877C2F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <34B19FD3-DC67-405A-8078-B1D3223F3436@buchwald.ca>

Hi Ray,
I just experienced something similar... check out...
iphoneUseDeviceResolution usePixels, [ nativeControlsUsePixels ]
... in the iOS Release notes.
- Charles

On 2012-04-29, at 9:35 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

> Ok, I know I'm missing something simple, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I have a stack that's 1000 by 1000 pixels, and I'm testing it in the iPad Simulator 5.1. In the Standalone Application Settings, I am building for iOS 5.0 or Later, Armv7, and I have set it for Landscape Left. 
> 
> The problem is the simulator cuts off my stack to something less than 1000 pixels in both dimensions. I know that the Retina display has a resolution of 2048 by 1536, plenty of real estate to show my stack, but it doesn't. What the heck is going on?
> 
> BTW, I'm using LiveCode v 5.5. on a Mac.
> 
> TIA,
> Roger
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 30 00:02:42 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:02:42 -0600
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <267F4463-8EE9-4CB0-9639-8289B6C2FC5E@swcp.com>


On Apr 29, 2012, at 7:36 PM, David Epstein wrote:
> Are there any limits on what characters can be used in an array key?  For example, do tab characters cause problems?

NUL characters do funny things.  Avoid those.  A NUL is called null in LiveCode and is numToChar(0).  

The result of arithmetic have numberFormat applied to them to create strings for keys, so you might need to be careful there when using numbers, the same number could end up being two different keys.

I have not noticed any problem with tabs.  

I am curious as to what else you learn.

Dar Scott



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 00:25:32 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:25:32 -0500
Subject: The revMenuBar
In-Reply-To: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <4F9E143C.8080107@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/29/12 8:31 PM, Cal Horner wrote:
> Is there any reason for the IDE revMenubar to be as wide as it is?

What OS?

>
> If you have ever taken a little wander with the  Property inspector you will
> see that the max width and max height can be 65535!
>
> What could be the possible reason for the attributes to be set that large?

Those are the default values for all new stacks. They don't represent 
the current size, they are the maximum upper limit. Stacks almost never 
use those figures.

>
> Well, anyway back to the questions at hand:
>
> 1) The reason for all the extra real estate.
>
> 2) what is the preferred way of locking it back to a smaller width?
>
> In other words, I could make use of that extra space that is now being taken
> up, for no apparent reason, by a very large blank space on the menubar.

On a Mac, the menubar is the width of the monitor and is always the same 
as any other app, and the toolbar under it just fits the icons. You must 
mean Windows or Linux. You could try setting the maxwidth in the stack 
inspector to whatever you want and see if that works. The size might be 
scripted though.

I never noticed it being too wide. How wide is it on your monitor?

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr 30 02:23:37 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:23:37 -0700
Subject: The revMenuBar
In-Reply-To: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <132126768203.20120429232337@ahsoftware.net>

Cal-

Sunday, April 29, 2012, 6:31:41 PM, you wrote:

> Is there any reason for the IDE revMenubar to be as wide as it is?

LOL. Do you have *both* toolbar icons and text turned off? I never
thought of doing that.

--
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From roderick.mccall at uni.lu  Mon Apr 30 04:34:57 2012
From: roderick.mccall at uni.lu (Roderick McCALL)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:34:57 +0000
Subject: Mobile Apps: Battery Life Native vs LiveCode
Message-ID: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>

Dear LiveCoders,

We are currently looking into using LiveCode for a variety of location-aware programs that we want to test on Android and IOS. One key issue is battery life with many viewing any cross-platform tools as having a negative impact. Therefore does anyone have a view or objective measures for this across a range of mobile tasks or have experience of these issues from their existing projects?

We will most likely continue to use LiveCode for internal rapid prototyping however for large scale deployment battery life is clearly an issue.

Kind regards,

rod

Dr Rod McCall
Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust (SnT)
The University of Luxembourg
www.securityandtrust.lu<http://www.securityandtrust.lu>
Twitter: rodlux blog: www.rodmc.com<http://www.rodmc.com>









From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Apr 30 08:02:39 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:02:39 -0400
Subject: Mobile Apps: Battery Life Native vs LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>
References: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>
Message-ID: <7077018F-ABF4-429F-A182-EB01B450AB78@verizon.net>

You can just listen for location changes, or check manually now and then. There's no reason to think that LiveCode would drain the battery more than other apps that would do the same thing.

One thing to know though, your app quits when you press the home button, at least on iOS. So, you would be using no battery power during those times, but it also means that LiveCode isn't the best choice for anything that requires it to work as background activity.



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Mon Apr 30 08:11:37 2012
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:11:37 +0100
Subject: Mobile Apps: Battery Life Native vs LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>
References: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>
Message-ID: <BAY152-W566C4458F638B4B920F336ED280@phx.gbl>



What would make you think that mobile apps built with liveCode are any better or any worse than mobile apps built with other software ?

> We are currently looking into using LiveCode for a variety of location-aware programs that we want to test on Android and IOS. One key issue is battery life with many viewing any cross-platform tools as having a negative impact. Therefore does anyone have a view or objective measures for this across a range of mobile tasks or have experience of these issues from their existing projects?
> 
> We will most likely continue to use LiveCode for internal rapid prototyping however for large scale deployment battery life is clearly an issue.

> Dr Rod McCall
> Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust (SnT)
> The University of Luxembourg
> www.securityandtrust.lu<http://www.securityandtrust.lu>
> Twitter: rodlux blog: www.rodmc.com<http://www.rodmc.com>

 		 	   		  

From roderick.mccall at uni.lu  Mon Apr 30 08:49:00 2012
From: roderick.mccall at uni.lu (Roderick McCALL)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:49:00 +0000
Subject: Mobile Apps: Battery Life Native vs LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-W566C4458F638B4B920F336ED280@phx.gbl>
References: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>
	<BAY152-W566C4458F638B4B920F336ED280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3672F2A6-71F2-4C8D-ABEA-2B6C0417AA61@uni.lu>

Dear John and Colin,

Thanks for your replies? Actually I am not sure if it is worse than anything else but I'll put it this way it is currently the subject of much debate here in the office.  I am genuinely interested in any stats people may have collected as we would rather go cross-platform if it is practical for our work.

Kind regards,

rod


Dr Rod McCall
Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust (SnT)
The University of Luxembourg
www.securityandtrust.lu<http://www.securityandtrust.lu>
Twitter: rodlux blog: www.rodmc.com<http://www.rodmc.com>







On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:11 PM, John Dixon wrote:



What would make you think that mobile apps built with liveCode are any better or any worse than mobile apps built with other software ?

We are currently looking into using LiveCode for a variety of location-aware programs that we want to test on Android and IOS. One key issue is battery life with many viewing any cross-platform tools as having a negative impact. Therefore does anyone have a view or objective measures for this across a range of mobile tasks or have experience of these issues from their existing projects?

We will most likely continue to use LiveCode for internal rapid prototyping however for large scale deployment battery life is clearly an issue.

Dr Rod McCall
Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust (SnT)
The University of Luxembourg
www.securityandtrust.lu<http://www.securityandtrust.lu><http://www.securityandtrust.lu>
Twitter: rodlux blog: www.rodmc.com<http://www.rodmc.com><http://www.rodmc.com>


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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Apr 30 09:14:20 2012
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:14:20 -0400
Subject: Mobile Apps: Battery Life Native vs LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <3672F2A6-71F2-4C8D-ABEA-2B6C0417AA61@uni.lu>
References: <4B307FAB-C14B-4DD2-B1EB-418EA5B58E55@uni.lu>
	<BAY152-W566C4458F638B4B920F336ED280@phx.gbl>
	<3672F2A6-71F2-4C8D-ABEA-2B6C0417AA61@uni.lu>
Message-ID: <E11BB779-EA0B-49F1-BD48-455847FF0FE3@mac.com>

Rod,

As far as I can tell LC is using the same lower level calls to location tracking and other iOS services as is available via Xcode which would lead me to believe that there should not be any differences to battery life while using these calls. I am not sure how the calls to location services are handled on Android devices, so i can't tell if LC is doing something different there.

A lot of optimization goes on with native Apple apps to keep things like location tracking etc. from being too slow and/or draining the battery. After this process they release the api for public use with any optimized code inherent in the libraries. (There are some api's that Apple has ultra-optimized but are not available to the developer at this time, but location tracking is not one of them.)

That said, not all of LC's features (image object, field object) have been fully optimized for iOS usage and as such 'could' result in more of a drain than a C++ counterpart (it would have to be a very slight difference however) and any specific iOS functions can be handled using an external which should then give the same results as using those libraries in Xcode.

Some things will be slower using the LC object versus a native iOS object but this should not drastically affect anything other than speed.


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On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Roderick McCALL wrote:

> Dear John and Colin,
> 
> Thanks for your replies? Actually I am not sure if it is worse than anything else but I'll put it this way it is currently the subject of much debate here in the office.  I am genuinely interested in any stats people may have collected as we would rather go cross-platform if it is practical for our work.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> rod
> 
> 
> Dr Rod McCall
> Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust (SnT)
> The University of Luxembourg
> www.securityandtrust.lu<http://www.securityandtrust.lu>
> Twitter: rodlux blog: www.rodmc.com<http://www.rodmc.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:11 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> What would make you think that mobile apps built with liveCode are any better or any worse than mobile apps built with other software ?
> 
> We are currently looking into using LiveCode for a variety of location-aware programs that we want to test on Android and IOS. One key issue is battery life with many viewing any cross-platform tools as having a negative impact. Therefore does anyone have a view or objective measures for this across a range of mobile tasks or have experience of these issues from their existing projects?
> 
> We will most likely continue to use LiveCode for internal rapid prototyping however for large scale deployment battery life is clearly an issue.
> 
> Dr Rod McCall
> Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust (SnT)
> The University of Luxembourg
> www.securityandtrust.lu<http://www.securityandtrust.lu><http://www.securityandtrust.lu>
> Twitter: rodlux blog: www.rodmc.com<http://www.rodmc.com><http://www.rodmc.com>
> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Apr 30 10:12:56 2012
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:12:56 +0100
Subject: problem for the ancients - headless cgi mode and images
In-Reply-To: <4F9CB7B7.4080804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9C73AB.9080008@deepfoo.com> <4F9CB7B7.4080804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9E9DE8.7070006@cogapp.com>

On 29/04/2012 04:38, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 4/28/12 5:48 PM, Bryan McCormick wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is aimed at people who know the vagaries of the headless cgi mode
>> of old.
>>
>> I am trying to set an image in a headless stack and then get its
>> imagedata. In other words, setting it to "http://blurf.com/myremote.jpg"
>>
>> It does not appear to be working. Is this because the stack had no
>> access to http?
>
> I think it's because CGIs do not load the graphical interface, so they don't
> load or draw any images. I'm not sure there's a way around that, unless you
> can read in the raw binary file and work with it that way.

I'm not sure about CGI mode, but I have had some experience (scars) with 
headless mode (as you can tell, I'm not sure if there's a difference).  I 
think you can process images in headless mode - but you may have to do some 
trial and error to get past the various other hurdles of that mode.

Ben





From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Apr 30 11:06:10 2012
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:06:10 -0300
Subject: problem for the ancients - headless cgi mode and images
In-Reply-To: <4F9CB7B7.4080804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9C73AB.9080008@deepfoo.com> <4F9CB7B7.4080804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkv4h_EGRdfA=5NX=_v-WbuNXR9tLZ358riY+prDLmZ0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:38 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 4/28/12 5:48 PM, Bryan McCormick wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is aimed at people who know the vagaries of the headless cgi mode
>> of old.
>>
>> I am trying to set an image in a headless stack and then get its
>> imagedata. In other words, setting it to "http://blurf.com/myremote.jpg**
>> "
>>
>> It does not appear to be working. Is this because the stack had no
>> access to http?
>>
>
> I think it's because CGIs do not load the graphical interface, so they
> don't load or draw any images. I'm not sure there's a way around that,
> unless you can read in the raw binary file and work with it that way.
>


There is a way around that but it is so dead ugly that it should never be
considered for production use. You can run an X11 framebuffer server which
is an X11 server that renders to a memory buffer and not the screen. This
will give Revolution CGI an display output to use and your render stuff
will work.

I did that a long time ago but running X11 framebuffer server is not a good
thing for production servers. Specially because multiple hits would cause
multiple windows to appear. Not good.

If you want to build graphics from CGI, I recommend making Rev CGI write a
shell script to call ImageMagick drawing commands.

Cheers
andre




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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 11:41:09 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:41:09 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4C698774-4E93-490F-A209-ADF04F277B3F@twft.com>

Nice function. Simple and effective. What might make this a tad more better is to have a list of 5 domains, in case for some reason Google ever goes away or renames itself (hey it could happen!). Also, an alternate FTP method might be nice upon failure of ping, as some techs block ICMP at the firewall. 

Bob

On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect the innocent) - watch line wraps:
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
>   answer "Connection status =" && app_connectionStatus("google.com")
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
> 
>    -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
>    switch (the platform)
>        case "MacOS"
>            put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>            put the result into tResult
>            break
>        case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
>            set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>            put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>            put the result into tResult
>            break
>        default -- all other OSes
>            answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform && "platform."
>            put param(0) & colon && the platform && "platform not supported" into tResult
>            break
>    end switch
> 
>    -- check for connection failure
>    if tResult <> empty
>    then return false -- failed
>    else -- connected, but how well?
>        set the itemDel to comma
>        if the platform = "Win32"
>        then
>            get tShellOutput
>            filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
>        else -- Mac
>            repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0% packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
>                get tShellOutput
>                filter it with tFilter
>                if it <> empty then exit repeat
>            end repeat
>        end if
>        return (it <> empty)
>    end if
> end app_connectionStatus
> 
> 
> HTH
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid host
>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
>> libURLDownloadToFile.
>> 
>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message could
>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>> 
>> Pete
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 11:46:12 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:46:12 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <061C1B08-E8C6-4158-8E80-20850713EB18@swcp.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<CAGDT7eOaAWyhPnLp5sYmXUCSKX=2RYLvMPYtZ0mQhE9ckMMX4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<061C1B08-E8C6-4158-8E80-20850713EB18@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <E206E525-87A9-49C2-92B8-C05B662D0B4A@twft.com>

Maybe have a means to change the domain in an Internet Setup card? I have a database setup card in all of my database enabled apps which attempts a connection which the user was initially prompted to set up. I set a global called connected based on the results of the attempt. I check the global before allowing the user to proceed. The ping routine is a really good addition, because SQL connections have a pretty long timeout sometimes. I will add this function to my connection check as a precursor to connecting to SQL. 

Bob


On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Hi, Peter,
> 
> I like Phil's solution, but it does answer a slightly different question from you said you want to ask.  I think it is a better question.  It answers not only if there is an Internet connection but  also whether your update server is online and reachable.  That might be more of the question you wanted your script to ask.  It does not say whether there are ftp/http services available on your download server.  
> 
> You might want to check with a quick ping by hand to make sure icmp services are available on you server (which they are likely to be).  
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> Great, thanks a lot Phil, I'll give that a whirl.
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad
>>> things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The
>>> following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect the
>>> innocent) - watch line wraps:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>> answer "Connection status =" && app_connectionStatus("google.**com<http://google.com>
>>> ")
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
>>> 
>>>  -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
>>>  switch (the platform)
>>>      case "MacOS"
>>>          put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>>          put the result into tResult
>>>          break
>>>      case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
>>>          set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>>          put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5" && pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>>          put the result into tResult
>>>          break
>>>      default -- all other OSes
>>>          answer "This app cannot run on the" && the platform &&
>>> "platform."
>>>          put param(0) & colon && the platform && "platform not
>>> supported" into tResult
>>>          break
>>>  end switch
>>> 
>>>  -- check for connection failure
>>>  if tResult <> empty
>>>  then return false -- failed
>>>  else -- connected, but how well?
>>>      set the itemDel to comma
>>>      if the platform = "Win32"
>>>      then
>>>          get tShellOutput
>>>          filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
>>>      else -- Mac
>>>          repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0%
>>> packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
>>>              get tShellOutput
>>>              filter it with tFilter
>>>              if it <> empty then exit repeat
>>>          end repeat
>>>      end if
>>>      return (it <> empty)
>>>  end if
>>> end app_connectionStatus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Phil Davis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
>>>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
>>>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
>>>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid
>>>> host
>>>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
>>>> libURLDownloadToFile.
>>>> 
>>>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message
>>>> could
>>>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
>>>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 11:50:29 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:50:29 -0700
Subject: The revMenuBar
In-Reply-To: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4F9DEB74.000003.05244@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <4F9EB4C5.7040003@fourthworld.com>

Cal Horner wrote:

> If you have ever taken a little wander with the  Property inspector you will
> see that the max width and max height can be 65535!
>
> What could be the possible reason for the attributes to be set that large?

While the largest single monitor available is still < 4000 px, the 
binary representation for 4k takes as much space as for values up to 
65535 (2 bytes), so consider it future-proofing with no additional 
overhead. :)

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 11:54:08 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:54:08 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4F9EB5A0.30706@fourthworld.com>

David Epstein wrote:
> Are there any limits on what characters can be used in an array key?
> For example, do tab characters cause problems?
> Many thanks.

Earlier this month I mentioned having rec'd the definition for 
arrayEncoded data, at the bottom of this post:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-April/170660.html>

While that article is still being finished, from what I've seen in Mark 
Waddingham's example code it seems that the only character we must avoid 
in array keys is NULL, since that's used internally as a delimiter 
between the key and the value.

As far as I can tell, all other characters are allowable.

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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 11:56:34 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:56:34 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1DEA353D-C076-4887-8098-30959593E086@twft.com>

Even you could use tabs in an array key, why would you want to? I cannot think of an application for this. I would stick to the same rules that SQL enforces for column names, and always use lower case, as SQL is sometimes case sensitive. That way you never shoot yourself in the foot if you ever want to translate from array keys to SQL column names. 

Bob


On Apr 29, 2012, at 6:36 PM, David Epstein wrote:

> Are there any limits on what characters can be used in an array key?  For example, do tab characters cause problems?
> Many thanks.
> 
> David Epstein
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 12:55:37 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:55:37 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <1DEA353D-C076-4887-8098-30959593E086@twft.com>
References: <1DEA353D-C076-4887-8098-30959593E086@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EC409.80702@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > Even you could use tabs in an array key, why would you want to?
 > I cannot think of an application for this. I would stick to the
 > same rules that SQL enforces for column names, and always use lower
 > case, as SQL is sometimes case sensitive. That way you never shoot
 > yourself in the foot if you ever want to translate from array keys
 > to SQL column names.

SQL is great for when you need relationality, but if there's anything 
we've learned from the advent of the NoSQL movement it's that there are 
a nearly infinite variety of ways to store data, so we no longer need to 
think in terms of one-size-fits-all solutions.

For example, in LiveCode small data sets can be handled with unusual 
grace and easy as simple property sets in stack files.

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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 13:01:37 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:01:37 -0700
Subject: Office to OS Clipboard Translation
Message-ID: <8A62AAAC-347F-41A0-B668-5A3B4BF8430E@twft.com>

What did we ever decide was the issue with the clipboard when copying data from an excel spreadsheet? I know Office has a proprietary clipboard, and a conversion is supposed to take place when pasting. This conversion works for other apps like TextEdit, but does not work with Livecode! Is this a bug? If so, I will go add my vote. It's really irritating to have to paste/copy into a text file before pasting into Livecode. 

Bob


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 13:15:45 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:15:45 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <4F9EC409.80702@fourthworld.com>
References: <1DEA353D-C076-4887-8098-30959593E086@twft.com>
	<4F9EC409.80702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <72C30EA2-F0B9-48A8-8D15-FBD10FAA5175@twft.com>

True enough. I have found however that if I operate on a set of basic principles, I develop habits which prevent problems later down the road. This is one of my principles, and it serves me well. I do not see any case where using special characters in an array key would give you an advantage over using simple text names. Of course, I don't see all ends. :-)

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> > Even you could use tabs in an array key, why would you want to?
> > I cannot think of an application for this. I would stick to the
> > same rules that SQL enforces for column names, and always use lower
> > case, as SQL is sometimes case sensitive. That way you never shoot
> > yourself in the foot if you ever want to translate from array keys
> > to SQL column names.
> 
> SQL is great for when you need relationality, but if there's anything we've learned from the advent of the NoSQL movement it's that there are a nearly infinite variety of ways to store data, so we no longer need to think in terms of one-size-fits-all solutions.
> 
> For example, in LiveCode small data sets can be handled with unusual grace and easy as simple property sets in stack files.
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 13:16:48 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:16:48 -0700
Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/>
Message-ID: <C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>

Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 

Bob

Begin forwarded message:

> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
> To: bobs at twft.com
> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
> 
>           Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>           Product: Revolution
>           Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>          Platform: All
>        OS/Version: Mac OS X
>            Status: UNCONFIRMED
>          Severity: minor
>          Priority: 4
>         Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>        AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>        ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
> 
> 
> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can paste
> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
> 
> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, but
> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
> 
> 
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 13:30:51 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/>
	<C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

Bob.


Please explain further.


If I copy a range of cells in Excel, I can paste just fine into a field in LC. The tabs and returns come over as advertised.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm
Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation


Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 

Bob

Begin forwarded message:

> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
> To: bobs at twft.com
> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
> 
>           Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>           Product: Revolution
>           Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>          Platform: All
>        OS/Version: Mac OS X
>            Status: UNCONFIRMED
>          Severity: minor
>          Priority: 4
>         Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>        AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>        ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
> 
> 
> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can 
paste
> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
> 
> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, but
> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 13:42:11 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:42:11 -0700
Subject: SoCal LUG meeting:  May 3, Pasadena
Message-ID: <4F9ECEF3.9070109@fourthworld.com>

Same place, same time, same good food, more great conversation about 
getting the most out of LiveCode - details in the forum:

<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11767>

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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 13:45:39 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:45:39 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/>
	<C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>
	<8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8AF00ABF-730A-4820-ABA9-08C887AD8D7D@twft.com>

I am not pasting I am accessing the clipboardData in a script. I should have made that clearer. 

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:30 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Bob.
> 
> 
> Please explain further.
> 
> 
> If I copy a range of cells in Excel, I can paste just fine into a field in LC. The tabs and returns come over as advertised.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm
> Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> 
> Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
>> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
>> To: bobs at twft.com
>> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>> 
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
>> 
>>          Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>>          Product: Revolution
>>          Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>>         Platform: All
>>       OS/Version: Mac OS X
>>           Status: UNCONFIRMED
>>         Severity: minor
>>         Priority: 4
>>        Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>>       AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>>       ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
>> 
>> 
>> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
>> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can 
> paste
>> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
>> 
>> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, but
>> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
>> 
>> 
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Apr 30 13:48:02 2012
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:48:02 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4C698774-4E93-490F-A209-ADF04F277B3F@twft.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<4C698774-4E93-490F-A209-ADF04F277B3F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F9ED052.9080103@pdslabs.net>

Hi Bob,

Have at it! You and others have expressed great ideas for improvements, 
given various changes in the context and purpose for which it might be 
used. I'm just glad to share it, and it's fun to see others adapt it for 
their needs (and offer suggestions for core improvements).

Phil


On 4/30/12 8:41 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Nice function. Simple and effective. What might make this a tad more better is to have a list of 5 domains, in case for some reason Google ever goes away or renames itself (hey it could happen!). Also, an alternate FTP method might be nice upon failure of ping, as some techs block ICMP at the firewall.
>
> Bob
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect the innocent) - watch line wraps:
>>
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    answer "Connection status ="&&  app_connectionStatus("google.com")
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>>
>> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
>>
>>     -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
>>     switch (the platform)
>>         case "MacOS"
>>             put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5"&&  pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>             put the result into tResult
>>             break
>>         case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
>>             set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>             put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5"&&  pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>             put the result into tResult
>>             break
>>         default -- all other OSes
>>             answer "This app cannot run on the"&&  the platform&&  "platform."
>>             put param(0)&  colon&&  the platform&&  "platform not supported" into tResult
>>             break
>>     end switch
>>
>>     -- check for connection failure
>>     if tResult<>  empty
>>     then return false -- failed
>>     else -- connected, but how well?
>>         set the itemDel to comma
>>         if the platform = "Win32"
>>         then
>>             get tShellOutput
>>             filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
>>         else -- Mac
>>             repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0% packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
>>                 get tShellOutput
>>                 filter it with tFilter
>>                 if it<>  empty then exit repeat
>>             end repeat
>>         end if
>>         return (it<>  empty)
>>     end if
>> end app_connectionStatus
>>
>>
>> HTH
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
>>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
>>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
>>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid host
>>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
>>> libURLDownloadToFile.
>>>
>>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message could
>>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way to
>>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>>>
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Apr 30 13:48:08 2012
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:48:08 -0700
Subject: iOS Real Estate
In-Reply-To: <mailman.562.1335758563.8900.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.562.1335758563.8900.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <45FCA49F-58E1-4A26-A387-17F520BBB48A@mac.com>

Thanks, Charles. I still have work to do, but this helps!

Thanks,
Roger


On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:02 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 28
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:38:46 -0500
> From: Charles E Buchwald <charles at buchwald.ca>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS Real Estate
> Message-ID: <34B19FD3-DC67-405A-8078-B1D3223F3436 at buchwald.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252
> 
> Hi Ray,
> I just experienced something similar... check out...
> iphoneUseDeviceResolution usePixels, [ nativeControlsUsePixels ]
> ... in the iOS Release notes.
> - Charles
> 
> On 2012-04-29, at 9:35 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I know I'm missing something simple, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I have a stack that's 1000 by 1000 pixels, and I'm testing it in the iPad Simulator 5.1. In the Standalone Application Settings, I am building for iOS 5.0 or Later, Armv7, and I have set it for Landscape Left. 
>> 
>> The problem is the simulator cuts off my stack to something less than 1000 pixels in both dimensions. I know that the Retina display has a resolution of 2048 by 1536, plenty of real estate to show my stack, but it doesn't. What the heck is going on?
>> 
>> BTW, I'm using LiveCode v 5.5. on a Mac.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Roger
>> 
>> _




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 13:51:14 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8AF00ABF-730A-4820-ABA9-08C887AD8D7D@twft.com>
References: <8AF00ABF-730A-4820-ABA9-08C887AD8D7D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F9ED112.6010908@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I am not pasting I am accessing the clipboardData in a script. I should have made that clearer.

That's an interesting detail.  Are you using the clipboardData["text"]?

I think pasting uses styled text; wonder if that makes a difference with 
what you're trying to do.

Thanks for posting the bug report, BTW.  Too often details get lost here 
because they're not logged there. I appreciate your taking the time to 
do that.

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Apr 30 13:52:46 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:52:46 -0400
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8AF00ABF-730A-4820-ABA9-08C887AD8D7D@twft.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/>
	<C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>
	<8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<8AF00ABF-730A-4820-ABA9-08C887AD8D7D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AAB47AD9-E384-4578-A4F0-D606083B3876@verizon.net>

Yes, I've found that I have to manually paste the Excel data into any text editor, then the clipboard is usable by LiveCode. Copying from Numbers doesn't have the same issue.


On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> I am not pasting I am accessing the clipboardData in a script. I should have made that clearer. 



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 14:07:34 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:07:34 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <4F9ED112.6010908@fourthworld.com>
References: <8AF00ABF-730A-4820-ABA9-08C887AD8D7D@twft.com>
	<4F9ED112.6010908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0D4CD941-4292-4E58-817E-68F9171B37EB@twft.com>

I do this:
   put the clipboard into theDataType -- returns "text"
   put the clipboarddata[theDataType] into thePropList

thePropList is empty, but if I then go to TextEdit and paste, all the cell data is pasted as tab delimited text. 

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> I am not pasting I am accessing the clipboardData in a script. I should have made that clearer.
> 
> That's an interesting detail.  Are you using the clipboardData["text"]?
> 
> I think pasting uses styled text; wonder if that makes a difference with what you're trying to do.
> 
> Thanks for posting the bug report, BTW.  Too often details get lost here because they're not logged there. I appreciate your taking the time to do that.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 14:16:46 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>
	<8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

I must be getting old.


If, instead of pasting, I "put the clipBoardData into fld myField"


I get perfect results. Again, tabs and returns in their places, data intact.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation


Bob.


Please explain further.


If I copy a range of cells in Excel, I can paste just fine into a field in LC. 
The tabs and returns come over as advertised.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm
Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation


Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 

Bob

Begin forwarded message:

> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
> To: bobs at twft.com
> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
> 
>           Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>           Product: Revolution
>           Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>          Platform: All
>        OS/Version: Mac OS X
>            Status: UNCONFIRMED
>          Severity: minor
>          Priority: 4
>         Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>        AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>        ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
> 
> 
> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can 
paste
> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
> 
> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, but
> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 14:34:59 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:34:59 -0700
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>

Just a wild guess, but could the issue be that the httpHeaders needs to 
have more complete info for the server to accept the call?

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 14:38:15 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:38:15 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com>
	<8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com>

What version of Office? I am using Office 2008, and LC 5.5.0. 

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:16 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I must be getting old.
> 
> 
> If, instead of pasting, I "put the clipBoardData into fld myField"
> 
> 
> I get perfect results. Again, tabs and returns in their places, data intact.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> 
> Bob.
> 
> 
> Please explain further.
> 
> 
> If I copy a range of cells in Excel, I can paste just fine into a field in LC. 
> The tabs and returns come over as advertised.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm
> Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> 
> Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
>> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
>> To: bobs at twft.com
>> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>> 
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
>> 
>>          Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>>          Product: Revolution
>>          Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>>         Platform: All
>>       OS/Version: Mac OS X
>>           Status: UNCONFIRMED
>>         Severity: minor
>>         Priority: 4
>>        Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>>       AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>>       ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
>> 
>> 
>> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
>> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can 
> paste
>> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
>> 
>> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, but
>> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Apr 30 14:50:10 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:50:10 -0700
Subject: Program Installation folders
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOy=cC5-CSr5ucfxTGopRVkXMr5N3M8KyYMtjQCD5BC8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,
I am woefully out of date as to where application programs should be
installed on various platforms (except for OS X).  Up to now, I've been
leaving it up to my users to move my applications single program file into
the right place but I really want to supply an installer.

In the release notes for Livecode, it specifies the following locations for
WIndows/Linux.

For All Users:

Windows <x86 program files folder>/RunRev/LiveCode

Linux /opt/runrev/LiveCode


For a single user

Windows <user roaming app data folder>/RunRev/Components/LiveCode

Linux ~/.runrev/components/livecode specialfolderpath("Home")


Should I follow that model, replacing RunRev and LiveCode with my
equivalents?


For Windows, I think <x86 program files folder> is specialFolderPath(26)
and <user roaming app data folder> is specialFolderPath(38).  Is that
correct?


Thanks,


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Apr 30 14:50:52 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:50:52 -0700
Subject: Checking for an internet connectio
In-Reply-To: <4F9ED052.9080103@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7ePLf6sHUEXLYt9Bt2cbYqpP9M8LCQaTCtNMODPcSZfd6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C4568.6030104@pdslabs.net>
	<4C698774-4E93-490F-A209-ADF04F277B3F@twft.com>
	<4F9ED052.9080103@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNfNPP44KdSHCW=R5L1wLjUKstpsHx+fwBp4OrNbdT9pw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sharing it Phil.  It seems to be working fine for me.
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>



On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Have at it! You and others have expressed great ideas for improvements,
> given various changes in the context and purpose for which it might be
> used. I'm just glad to share it, and it's fun to see others adapt it for
> their needs (and offer suggestions for core improvements).
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 4/30/12 8:41 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Nice function. Simple and effective. What might make this a tad more
>> better is to have a list of 5 domains, in case for some reason Google ever
>> goes away or renames itself (hey it could happen!). Also, an alternate FTP
>> method might be nice upon failure of ping, as some techs block ICMP at the
>> firewall.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> I use "ping" to see if a given server is available. There are fewer bad
>>> things that can happen using this approach than trying to get a URL. The
>>> following code came from a recent project (slightly modified to protect the
>>> innocent) - watch line wraps:
>>>
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   answer "Connection status ="&&  app_connectionStatus("google.**com<http://google.com>
>>> ")
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> function app_connectionStatus pTargetDomain
>>>
>>>    -- attempt to ping the ctrainweb.com server
>>>    switch (the platform)
>>>        case "MacOS"
>>>            put shell("ping -c 1 -t 5"&&  pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>>            put the result into tResult
>>>            break
>>>        case "Win32" -- PD 20100411
>>>            set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>>            put shell("ping -n 1 -w 5"&&  pTargetDomain) into tShellOutput
>>>            put the result into tResult
>>>            break
>>>        default -- all other OSes
>>>            answer "This app cannot run on the"&&  the platform&&
>>>  "platform."
>>>            put param(0)&  colon&&  the platform&&  "platform not
>>> supported" into tResult
>>>
>>>            break
>>>    end switch
>>>
>>>    -- check for connection failure
>>>    if tResult<>  empty
>>>    then return false -- failed
>>>    else -- connected, but how well?
>>>        set the itemDel to comma
>>>        if the platform = "Win32"
>>>        then
>>>            get tShellOutput
>>>            filter it with "*(0% loss)*"
>>>        else -- Mac
>>>            repeat for each item tFilter in "* 0% packet loss*,* 0.0%
>>> packet loss*" -- for different OS versons
>>>                get tShellOutput
>>>                filter it with tFilter
>>>                if it<>  empty then exit repeat
>>>            end repeat
>>>        end if
>>>        return (it<>  empty)
>>>    end if
>>> end app_connectionStatus
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/28/12 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just put together a procedure for checking for software updates from my
>>>> SQLiteAdmin program.  All works great but I'm wondering the best way to
>>>> check if there is an internet connection.  I tried this out by
>>>> disconnecting my computer from my wireless router and I got an"invalid
>>>> host
>>>> address" message from libURLErrorData as soon as I called
>>>> libURLDownloadToFile.
>>>>
>>>> I can easily check for that of course but it sounds like that message
>>>> could
>>>> come back in other circumstances so wondering if there's some other way
>>>> to
>>>> check for an internet connection before attempting a download.
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>> lcSQL Software<http://www.lcsql.com>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>>
>>>>  --
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 14:53:51 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:53:51 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
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On 4/30/12 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Just a wild guess, but could the issue be that the httpHeaders needs to
> have more complete info for the server to accept the call?

Maybe. Mark S. suggested the same thing. The default POST header for 
Content-Type is "application/x-www-form-urlencoded", which is what he 
uses. I believe content-length is also sent by default. I don't know 
what other things should be sent in the headers, but would like to know.

The thing is, the POSTs and responses do go through. Everything appears 
to work; I get the data and PayPal responds to my POST correctly. The 
only thing that doesn't work is (apparently) no response code is sent. 
The one exception are script errors, where PayPal does register an error 
500. Othewise no codes appear in PayPal's history.

If it weren't for the fact that PayPal continues to resend requests so 
many times, I'd just forget about it. I have all the data I need, and 
it's verified. For now, I've put a check into the script that just drops 
duplicate resends silently. That works, but I'd rather the server didn't 
get hit on so much. After enough resends, PayPal registers a failure and 
stops, but I'm not sure how many failures it will allow before it 
decides my server isn't operative and drops the account. I don't even 
know if that's how it works, but I don't want to chance it.

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From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Apr 30 15:24:27 2012
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:24:27 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <4F9EB5A0.30706@fourthworld.com>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
	<4F9EB5A0.30706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FDD7E99C-6344-425A-AE89-41A1E0295849@jhj.com>

On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> it seems that the only character we must avoid in array keys is NULL, since that's used internally as a delimiter between the key and the value.
> 
> As far as I can tell, all other characters are allowable.

It would be fun to see how the script editor handles keys that are made of return characters.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 15:46:41 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:46:41 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
	<4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EEC21.9010405@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm wondering if I can approach this a different way. Is there a command 
I can send to PayPal that says "We're done now"?

I tried adding a Content-length header by setting the httpHeaders 
property, and libURL throws an error. The sockets are all closed, and as 
I understand it, that should signal the end of the transmission anyway.

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr 30 15:52:03 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:52:03 +0200
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9EEC21.9010405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
	<4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EEC21.9010405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0E2D9666-DA5C-4479-AB09-51B66D36B28F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jacque,

What's the error?

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On 30 apr 2012, at 21:46, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I'm wondering if I can approach this a different way. Is there a command I can send to PayPal that says "We're done now"?
> 
> I tried adding a Content-length header by setting the httpHeaders property, and libURL throws an error. The sockets are all closed, and as I understand it, that should signal the end of the transmission anyway.
> 
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 15:56:17 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:56:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

Bob.


Office 2004. LC 5.5.1 - dp-1


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation


What version of Office? I am using Office 2008, and LC 5.5.0. 

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:16 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I must be getting old.
> 
> 
> If, instead of pasting, I "put the clipBoardData into fld myField"
> 
> 
> I get perfect results. Again, tabs and returns in their places, data intact.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> 
> Bob.
> 
> 
> Please explain further.
> 
> 
> If I copy a range of cells in Excel, I can paste just fine into a field in LC. 

> The tabs and returns come over as advertised.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm
> Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> 
> Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
>> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
>> To: bobs at twft.com
>> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>> 
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
>> 
>>          Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>>          Product: Revolution
>>          Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>>         Platform: All
>>       OS/Version: Mac OS X
>>           Status: UNCONFIRMED
>>         Severity: minor
>>         Priority: 4
>>        Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>>       AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>>       ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
>> 
>> 
>> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
>> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can 
> paste
>> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
>> 
>> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, 
but
>> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
>> 
>> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 30 16:02:25 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:02:25 -0600
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <FDD7E99C-6344-425A-AE89-41A1E0295849@jhj.com>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
	<4F9EB5A0.30706@fourthworld.com>
	<FDD7E99C-6344-425A-AE89-41A1E0295849@jhj.com>
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On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>> it seems that the only character we must avoid in array keys is NULL, since that's used internally as a delimiter between the key and the value.
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, all other characters are allowable.
> 
> It would be fun to see how the script editor handles keys that are made of return characters.

This is part of the general consideration of referring to new-line characters in LiveCode.

You can always do this:

	put "abc" & LF & "def" into key1
	-- you can replace LF with return, CR, or linefeed, but I recommend against CR

You can define NL or newLine if you want, too.

The parsing for a literal string that is the first parameter of format() is special and you can do this:

	put format("abc\"def") into key1

For multiple lines you can do this:

	get "Give up? Give up? " & lf & \
	"The day may come when we'll give up " & lf & \
	"on fruitless searches after a mere eleven minutes, " & lf & \
	"but that day is not today!"

Or you can use some text-builder helper commands:

	startTextBuilding
	build "Give up? Give up? "
	build "The day may come when we'll give up "
	build "on fruitless searches after a mere eleven minutes, "
	build "but that day is not today!"
	get builtText()

And of course some functions will put a new-line into output:

	put base64encode(bigSecretID) into key1

There is no need to strip the LF characters from the key if used as an array key if you are consistent.  (But always strip when doing BASIC auth.)

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 16:10:21 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:10:21 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <0E2D9666-DA5C-4479-AB09-51B66D36B28F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
	<4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EEC21.9010405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0E2D9666-DA5C-4479-AB09-51B66D36B28F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EF1AD.3000102@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/30/12 2:52 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
>
> What's the error?

Who knows, it isn't logged. But PayPal history shows a server 500 status 
code, and my server log shows a "file not found" for that error 
document, which is true, I don't have a custom error 500 page.

I am in the process of rewriting libURL logging so I can see what's 
wrong. I do see in the scripts that libURL automatically sets the 
content-length header as well as the "Content-Type: 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded" header, so those are being sent.

>
> On 30 apr 2012, at 21:46, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if I can approach this a different way. Is there a command I can send to PayPal that says "We're done now"?
>>
>> I tried adding a Content-length header by setting the httpHeaders property, and libURL throws an error. The sockets are all closed, and as I understand it, that should signal the end of the transmission anyway.
>>
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>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 16:25:56 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:25:56 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9EF1AD.3000102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
	<4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EEC21.9010405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0E2D9666-DA5C-4479-AB09-51B66D36B28F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9EF1AD.3000102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EF554.2050001@hyperactivesw.com>

Ok, I got libURL to write to a log. It does look like it's sending a 200 
OK status but some of the content is gibberish to me. What do you make 
of this:

socket selected: www.sandbox.paypal.com:443|6924
POST /cgi-bin/webscr HTTP/1.1
Host: www.sandbox.paypal.com
User-Agent: Metacard (Linux)
Content-Length: 847
Content-Type:  application/x-www-form-urlencoded

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:20:37 GMT
Server: Apache
X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
Set-Cookie: 
c9MWDuvPtT9GIMyPc3jwol1VSlO=I-vgqrpToqcKjEtfbvzUhYsnn2l1nhiOdd8loJDlnXi2VAGg8jEiTJMILcY_rx2ayS4IT9mVjaccjuvxFpQMjyCX6yhIOf5hkbFSsyCc5riS6bV7v0O0t4V0u5EVw-X37mIJBm%7c_M41vq23Y9EF3C2ACTF2DsYD9ibbcA0Hk8TQBfkR-WLcdMx_FEoC0MnvO4XBgqBjB6mm20%7c_uu_0PeqPyj42lxA-hhoLZR7UU9pPqWh0bT5LuWvBv56GpVUS0mMi2sCtKJhOCIUAg4gDm%7c1335817237; 
domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: cookie_check=yes; expires=Thu, 28-Apr-2022 20:20:37 GMT; 
domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: navcmd=_notify-validate; domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; 
HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: navlns=0.0; expires=Sun, 25-Apr-2032 20:20:37 GMT; 
domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: Apache=10.72.109.11.1335817237013088; path=/; expires=Wed, 
23-Apr-42 20:20:37 GMT
X-Cnection: close
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 16:26:26 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com>
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Message-ID: <855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com>

I installed Office 2004 (we have an Open License CD) and I still have the same problem. I wonder if they fixed this in 5.5.1 DP1?

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 12:56 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Bob.
> 
> 
> Office 2004. LC 5.5.1 - dp-1
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 2:39 pm
> Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
> 
> 
> What version of Office? I am using Office 2008, and LC 5.5.0. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:16 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> I must be getting old.
>> 
>> 
>> If, instead of pasting, I "put the clipBoardData into fld myField"
>> 
>> 
>> I get perfect results. Again, tabs and returns in their places, data intact.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
>> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:32 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>> 
>> 
>> Bob.
>> 
>> 
>> Please explain further.
>> 
>> 
>> If I copy a range of cells in Excel, I can paste just fine into a field in LC. 
> 
>> The tabs and returns come over as advertised.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm
>> Subject: Fwd: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>> 
>> 
>> Just submitted this as a bug as I did not find anything in the RQCC. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: rqcc-daemon at var.on-rev.com
>>> Date: April 30, 2012 10:12:11 AM PDT
>>> To: bobs at twft.com
>>> Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>>> 
>>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10199
>>> 
>>>         Summary: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
>>>         Product: Revolution
>>>         Version: 5.5.0 GM 3
>>>        Platform: All
>>>      OS/Version: Mac OS X
>>>          Status: UNCONFIRMED
>>>        Severity: minor
>>>        Priority: 4
>>>       Component: Engine > Architecture > Clipboard
>>>      AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
>>>      ReportedBy: bobs at twft.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When copying a range of cells from Excel, Livecode does not translate the
>>> clipboard to text. Clearly the clipboard CAN be translated, because I can 
>> paste
>>> into TextEdit and other apps, just not Livecode. 
>>> 
>>> The workaround is of course to paste into another app and recopy the text, 
> but
>>> it begs the question, what other things are not translating?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 30 16:31:35 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:31:35 -0600
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <4F9EB5A0.30706@fourthworld.com>
References: <9C972C08-AB14-460B-A558-AB654EC72BB2@comcast.net>
	<4F9EB5A0.30706@fourthworld.com>
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On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> While that article is still being finished, from what I've seen in Mark Waddingham's example code it seems that the only character we must avoid in array keys is NULL, since that's used internally as a delimiter between the key and the value.

I think this limitation is a feature we can do without.  I think most people have run across it and some not recognizing it have pulled their hair out.  

This will come up more as people explore unicode.  You will not see NULs in UTF-8 except for the actual original NUL.  You can use UTF-8 safely as a key.  However, someone might reasonably try some form of UTF-16 in which the NUL will show up as a ghost character.  

This also might come up with binary.  A person might try using the binary form of an identifier of some sort not realizing the zero bytes would cause trouble.  

I would support the removal of this feature and, in general, all special meanings of NUL in all of LiveCode.  (It can stay in legacy external interfaces.)

Dar





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 16:33:46 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:33:46 -0500
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com>
	<8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>

On 4/30/12 3:26 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I installed Office 2004 (we have an Open License CD) and I still have
> the same problem. I wonder if they fixed this in 5.5.1 DP1?

Are you and Craig on different operating systems?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 16:40:23 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:40:23 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9CB6D9.4080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AA4C7258-A4C6-4EF6-8672-FF10DCEF0E0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4F9D9763.2030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9DC9A7.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBCAAB39-ACBB-4BA9-9DAA-07E1C2993037@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4F9DE436.8020103@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9EF8B7.9000606@hyperactivesw.com>

Hm, seems like there is more. After five minutes, the log adds two 
(two?) close sockets. Only one test was sent from the sandbox.

socket selected: www.sandbox.paypal.com:443|6924
POST /cgi-bin/webscr HTTP/1.1
Host: www.sandbox.paypal.com
User-Agent: Metacard (Linux)
Content-Length: 847
Content-Type:  application/x-www-form-urlencoded

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:20:37 GMT
Server: Apache
X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
Set-Cookie: 
c9MWDuvPtT9GIMyPc3jwol1VSlO=I-vgqrpToqcKjEtfbvzUhYsnn2l1nhiOdd8loJDlnXi2VAGg8jEiTJMILcY_rx2ayS4IT9mVjaccjuvxFpQMjyCX6yhIOf5hkbFSsyCc5riS6bV7v0O0t4V0u5EVw-X37mIJBm%7c_M41vq23Y9EF3C2ACTF2DsYD9ibbcA0Hk8TQBfkR-WLcdMx_FEoC0MnvO4XBgqBjB6mm20%7c_uu_0PeqPyj42lxA-hhoLZR7UU9pPqWh0bT5LuWvBv56GpVUS0mMi2sCtKJhOCIUAg4gDm%7c1335817237; 
domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: cookie_check=yes; expires=Thu, 28-Apr-2022 20:20:37 GMT; 
domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: navcmd=_notify-validate; domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; 
HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: navlns=0.0; expires=Sun, 25-Apr-2032 20:20:37 GMT; 
domain=.paypal.com; path=/; Secure; HttpOnly
Set-Cookie: Apache=10.72.109.11.1335817237013088; path=/; expires=Wed, 
23-Apr-42 20:20:37 GMT
X-Cnection: close
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

CLOSED www.sandbox.paypal.com:443|6924
CLOSED www.sandbox.paypal.com:443|6924

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dfepstein at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 16:46:48 2012
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:46:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.720.1335817588.8900.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <742856910.1556967.1335818808856.JavaMail.root@sz0051a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Perhaps relevant to this thread is this problem I have found while copying in Excel, pasting in LC (actually an older version of Rev): 



When you zoom Excel's display, the number formatting changes. E.g., "442593" becomes "4E+05" if space is too tight, or "####" if space is really tight. This is not a problem while working in Excel, as the underlying data remains the same. But contrary to my expectation, if you select cells, copy, and paste to?Rev you do not get those underlying values. You get only the displayed text. "####" at least tells you something is amiss; but "4E+05" is an unannounced but severe amendment from "442593." 

If you paste instead to Notepad, you do get the underlying values 

If you export the Excel sheet as tab delimited text, the results are also strange: in my test, values shown in scientific notation were exported as integers; but values displayed as "####" were exported in scientific notation. 



David Epstein

From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 17:02:39 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:02:39 -0700
Subject: Tab Enabling/Disabling commands
Message-ID: <28E99DA8-9E97-46B3-BEA0-603217B5EF74@twft.com>

Hi all. A while ago someone started a thread about how to enable or disable individual tabs in a Tab Panel. I wrote these two admittedly simple functions to accommodate this. They both take two parameters, the name of the tab panel, and the tab item, which can be a number or the name of the tab. If you pass "All" for the tab item, it will enable or disable all the tabs. There is some basic error chacking. They will ignore a number that is out of bounds of the number of tab items, or a tab name that does not exist, or a tab panel that does not exist as a button. They will ignore enabling or disabling of tabs that are already enable/disabled respectively. (Already shot myself in the foot with that one!) 

ON disableTab theTabPanel, theTab
   IF theTabPanel is empty THEN exit disableTab
   IF not there is a button theTabPanel THEN exit disableTab
   put the text of button theTabPanel into theTabOptions
   IF theTab is "All" THEN
      REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines of theTabOptions
         IF char 1 of line i of theTabOptions is not "(" THEN
            put "(" before line i of theTabOptions
         END IF
      END REPEAT
   ELSE
      SWITCH 
         CASE theTab is a number
            IF theTab > the number of lines of theTabOptions OR theTab = 0 THEN exit disableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTab of theTabOptions is not "(" THEN
               put "(" before line theTab of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
         CASE theTab is not a number
            put lineoffset(theTab, theTabOptions) into theTabLine
            IF theTabLine = 0 THEN exit disableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTabLine of theTabOptions is not "(" THEN
               put "(" before line theTabLine of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
      END SWITCH
   END IF
   set the text of button theTabPanel to theTabOptions
END disableTab

ON enableTab theTabPanel, theTab
   put the text of button theTabPanel into theTabOptions
   IF theTab is "All" THEN
      REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines of theTabOptions
         IF char 1 of line i of theTabOptions is "(" THEN
            put empty into char 1 of line i of theTabOptions
         END IF
      END REPEAT
   ELSE
      SWITCH 
         CASE theTab is a number
            IF theTab > the number of lines of theTabOptions OR theTab = 0 THEN exit enableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTab of theTabOptions is "(" THEN
               put empty into char 1 of line theTab of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
         CASE theTab is not a number
            put lineoffset(theTab, theTabOptions) into theTabLine
            IF theTabLine = 0 THEN exit enableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTabLine of theTabOptions is "(" THEN
               put empty into char 1 of line theTabLine of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
      END SWITCH
   END IF
   set the text of button theTabPanel to theTabOptions
END enableTab


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 17:06:22 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com>
	<8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com>
	<4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <35D9F80B-BA87-445D-AB8C-550926A9E142@twft.com>

Quite possible. I am using OS X Snow Leopard. (I loathe being forced to upgrade to Lion just to use iCloud, so I am boycotting, not because I think it will do any good, but because it makes me feel empowered. ;-)

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:33 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/30/12 3:26 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I installed Office 2004 (we have an Open License CD) and I still have
>> the same problem. I wonder if they fixed this in 5.5.1 DP1?
> 
> Are you and Craig on different operating systems?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 17:11:52 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:11:52 -0700
Subject: Tab Enabling/Disabling commands
Message-ID: <BF96F85A-91F1-48F3-92FE-FD8AA2B5EEF7@twft.com>

Slight update to accommodate wholeMatches. It's conceivable someone might pass one word of a two word tab name, and I would have gotten the wrong tab! eg. Base, First Base, Second Base, etc. 

ON disableTab theTabPanel, theTab
   IF theTabPanel is empty THEN exit disableTab
   IF not there is a button theTabPanel THEN exit disableTab
   put the text of button theTabPanel into theTabOptions
   IF theTab is "All" THEN
      REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines of theTabOptions
         IF char 1 of line i of theTabOptions is not "(" THEN
            put "(" before line i of theTabOptions
         END IF
      END REPEAT
   ELSE
      SWITCH 
         CASE theTab is a number
            IF theTab > the number of lines of theTabOptions OR theTab = 0 THEN exit disableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTab of theTabOptions is not "(" THEN
               put "(" before line theTab of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
         CASE theTab is not a number
            set wholematches to true
            put lineoffset(theTab, theTabOptions) into theTabLine
            IF theTabLine = 0 THEN exit disableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTabLine of theTabOptions is not "(" THEN
               put "(" before line theTabLine of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
      END SWITCH
   END IF
   set the text of button theTabPanel to theTabOptions
END disableTab

ON enableTab theTabPanel, theTab
   put the text of button theTabPanel into theTabOptions
   IF theTab is "All" THEN
      REPEAT WITH i = 1 to the number of lines of theTabOptions
         IF char 1 of line i of theTabOptions is "(" THEN
            put empty into char 1 of line i of theTabOptions
         END IF
      END REPEAT
   ELSE
      SWITCH 
         CASE theTab is a number
            IF theTab > the number of lines of theTabOptions OR theTab = 0 THEN exit enableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTab of theTabOptions is "(" THEN
               put empty into char 1 of line theTab of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
         CASE theTab is not a number
            set wholematches to true
            put lineoffset(theTab, theTabOptions) into theTabLine
            IF theTabLine = 0 THEN exit enableTab
            IF char 1 of line theTabLine of theTabOptions is "(" THEN
               put empty into char 1 of line theTabLine of theTabOptions
            END IF
            break
      END SWITCH
   END IF
   set the text of button theTabPanel to theTabOptions
END enableTab




From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Apr 30 17:21:29 2012
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <35D9F80B-BA87-445D-AB8C-550926A9E142@twft.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com><8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com><4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35D9F80B-BA87-445D-AB8C-550926A9E142@twft.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF52E57C9D851-1838-165C0@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

I am on OSX 10.5 here in my office.


Which is that, Krazy Kat?


 I will try it on my 10.6 machine at home...


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation


Quite possible. I am using OS X Snow Leopard. (I loathe being forced to upgrade 
to Lion just to use iCloud, so I am boycotting, not because I think it will do 
any good, but because it makes me feel empowered. ;-)

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:33 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 4/30/12 3:26 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I installed Office 2004 (we have an Open License CD) and I still have
>> the same problem. I wonder if they fixed this in 5.5.1 DP1?
> 
> Are you and Craig on different operating systems?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Apr 30 17:26:05 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:26:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] Gatekeeper
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOiJXWjESPbEmkHxWTMfgprOCkYWBk2NX4Huh=iNxzhFw@mail.gmail.com>

Just got a newsletter from Apple with this link to a page about the
Mountain Lion Gatekeeper ID:

https://developer.apple.com/resources/developer-id/

Probably old news to some folks but thought it would be worth sharing.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 17:33:02 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:33:02 -0700
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9F050E.7020105@fourthworld.com>

If the headers angle doesn't check out, this may be yet another job for 
O'Reilly to the rescue:

PayPal APIs: Up and Running, 2nd Edition
Monetizing Your Application with Payment Flows
By Matthew A. Russell
Released: April 2012
<http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023227.do>

Updated just this month, it seems like the best resource on the subject. 
  I picked up a copy last week.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Apr 30 17:42:35 2012
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <8CEF52E57C9D851-1838-165C0@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com><8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com><4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35D9F80B-BA87-445D-AB8C-550926A9E142@twft.com>
	<8CEF52E57C9D851-1838-165C0@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <51ECB86D-2302-46A0-A026-CED25DA95314@twft.com>

Public Beta Kodiak 
Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah 
Mac OS X 10.1 Puma 
Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar 
Mac OS X 10.3 Panther 
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger 
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard 
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard 
Mac OS X 10.7 Lion 
Mountain Lion

Bob


On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:21 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I am on OSX 10.5 here in my office.
> 
> 
> Which is that, Krazy Kat?
> 
> 
> I will try it on my 10.6 machine at home...
> 
> 
> Craig




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 17:44:03 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:44:03 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <B6669590-11F4-48D3-A3FF-471A8ABE26F9@swcp.com>
References: <B6669590-11F4-48D3-A3FF-471A8ABE26F9@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4F9F07A3.8090706@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:

 > On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> While that article is still being finished, from what I've seen in
 >> Mark Waddingham's example code it seems that the only character we
 >> must avoid in array keys is NULL, since that's used internally as
 >> a delimiter between the key and the value.
 >
 > I think this limitation is a feature we can do without.  I think most
 > people have run across it and some not recognizing it have pulled
 > their hair out.
 >
 > This will come up more as people explore unicode.  You will not see
 > NULs in UTF-8 except for the actual original NUL.  You can use UTF-8
 > safely as a key.  However, someone might reasonably try some form of
 > UTF-16 in which the NUL will show up as a ghost character.
 >
 > This also might come up with binary.  A person might try using the
 > binary form of an identifier of some sort not realizing the zero
 > bytes would cause trouble.

I agree that it would be nice to support this for Unicode, but doing so 
would require changing at least the format of arrayEncode/arrayDecode, 
if not substantial portions of the underlying code for both arrays and 
custom properties.  Doable (everything ultimately is in computing), and 
for Unicode arguably essential, but not likely to happen next week.


 > I would support the removal of this feature and, in general, all
 > special meanings of NUL in all of LiveCode.  (It can stay in legacy
 > external interfaces.)

So many people have found arrays so useful for so many thousands of 
things that I'm not sure I would advocate removing them because their 
keys can't handle the subset of data which may contain NULL characters.

While worth revising at first opportunity, to date I don't recall it 
being reported as an issue here or in the forums.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Apr 30 17:46:53 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <51ECB86D-2302-46A0-A026-CED25DA95314@twft.com>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com><8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com><4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35D9F80B-BA87-445D-AB8C-550926A9E142@twft.com>
	<8CEF52E57C9D851-1838-165C0@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<51ECB86D-2302-46A0-A026-CED25DA95314@twft.com>
Message-ID: <50F8319A-7B18-4144-B9F9-7A7DC0A33A28@verizon.net>

Should that last one be "OS X Mountain Lion"?


On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Public Beta Kodiak 
> Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah 
> Mac OS X 10.1 Puma 
> Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar 
> Mac OS X 10.3 Panther 
> Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger 
> Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard 
> Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard 
> Mac OS X 10.7 Lion 
> Mountain Lion



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Apr 30 17:48:25 2012
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <50F8319A-7B18-4144-B9F9-7A7DC0A33A28@verizon.net>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com><8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com><4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<35D9F80B-BA87-445D-AB8C-550926A9E142@twft.com>
	<8CEF52E57C9D851-1838-165C0@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<51ECB86D-2302-46A0-A026-CED25DA95314@twft.com>
	<50F8319A-7B18-4144-B9F9-7A7DC0A33A28@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <24AF302E-E114-4D04-B9FA-2EEE798FD3EC@verizon.net>

I meant "OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion"


On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Should that last one be "OS X Mountain Lion"?



From jhj at jhj.com  Mon Apr 30 18:00:45 2012
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:00:45 -0700
Subject: [Bug 10199] New: Office Excel Clipboard Translation
In-Reply-To: <24AF302E-E114-4D04-B9FA-2EEE798FD3EC@verizon.net>
References: <bug-10199-577@http.quality.runrev.com/><C2DE050E-A73B-4FE1-A0BB-E835BB084ED5@twft.com><8CEF50E1F019695-1838-14A5B@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><8CEF51489B14EA6-1838-15008@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><0B3BC351-4445-4800-882F-0E9A8B9403B8@twft.com><8CEF5226FF09A1B-1838-15B7D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com><855A2B4B-EEE2-4591-93E7-96829011C5E0@twft.com><4F9EF72A.9000709@hyperactivesw.com>
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I'm hoping for OS X 10.9 Fritz the Cat

On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I meant "OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion"
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> Should that last one be "OS X Mountain Lion"?
> 
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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 30 18:20:10 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:20:10 -0600
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <4F9F07A3.8090706@fourthworld.com>
References: <B6669590-11F4-48D3-A3FF-471A8ABE26F9@swcp.com>
	<4F9F07A3.8090706@fourthworld.com>
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On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> While worth revising at first opportunity, to date I don't recall it being reported as an issue here or in the forums.

I have brought this up every two or three years for a long time.  Perhaps it is listed as an enhancement request.    Perhaps, I am the only one who sees this as a flaw.

I am not advocating doing away with arrays.  I am advocating doing them right.  This "feature" (bug) should have been fixed before arrayEncode() was created, immediately before if not well before.  I'm sure it is possible to create new arrayEncode and ArrayDecode that work for old values generated by arrayEncode() and handle NUL.

LiveCode should be as simple and as clean as possible.  We have the world getting complicated around us and it we need an anchor in Livecode where concepts are unified and kept simple but rich and powerful.  Also, LiveCode should be low anxiety.  If there is a hole in arrays, were are there also holes?  If NUL breaks things here, do they break sorting, too?  A programmer does not know until he does the tests.  I ask people, do you know?  What else breaks with NUL?  One should not have to experiment to find out the meaning of a language element.  Sure, it can be documented.  Every time a caveat sentence has to be added to complete documentation, the language erodes.  

NUL terminated strings in the externals interface have been a pain for externals programming since the beginning and many have complained about that.  The iOS externals interface, even though lacking some traditional features, is much superior to the traditional desktop externals interface.  I'm not advocating doing away with externals or even the traditional interface, I'm just suggesting that these issues be addressed.

Dar

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr 30 18:30:35 2012
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:30:35 -0500
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9F050E.7020105@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9F050E.7020105@fourthworld.com>
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On 4/30/12 4:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> If the headers angle doesn't check out, this may be yet another job for
> O'Reilly to the rescue:
>
> PayPal APIs: Up and Running, 2nd Edition
> Monetizing Your Application with Payment Flows
> By Matthew A. Russell
> Released: April 2012
> <http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023227.do>
>
> Updated just this month, it seems like the best resource on the subject.
> I picked up a copy last week.

Do you think this will tell me why libURL is failing?

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 18:32:34 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:32:34 -0700
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9F128B.6080202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9F128B.6080202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F9F1302.50104@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 4/30/12 4:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> If the headers angle doesn't check out, this may be yet another job for
>> O'Reilly to the rescue:
>>
>> PayPal APIs: Up and Running, 2nd Edition
>> Monetizing Your Application with Payment Flows
>> By Matthew A. Russell
>> Released: April 2012
>> <http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023227.do>
>>
>> Updated just this month, it seems like the best resource on the subject.
>> I picked up a copy last week.
>
> Do you think this will tell me why libURL is failing?

I may have missed that post.  Has that been determined to be the root cause?

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 18:43:35 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:43:35 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <1FDAD632-614D-4BC4-B15F-73A74E945A1C@swcp.com>
References: <1FDAD632-614D-4BC4-B15F-73A74E945A1C@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4F9F1597.6020500@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:

 > I am not advocating doing away with arrays.  I am advocating doing
 > them right.  This "feature" (bug) should have been fixed before
 > arrayEncode() was created, immediately before if not well before.

Back in the olden days when people still used Usenet, there was a 
lengthy thread in comp.sys.mac.hypercard in which Christopher Watson of 
the SuperCard team and Kevin Calhoun of the HyperCard team debated 
almost to the point of fisticuffs the approach each team took toward 
language enhancements.

Calhoun's position was that the HC team felt it was very important to 
get a feature absolutely right before rolling it out, that the syntax 
had to have a good feel to it and the feature itself be complete.  He 
noted that many times the team was willing to hold off on a feature 
until it met their standards.

Watson's position could be summarized as, "Yeah, but we ship."

;)

HyperCard died three years later, while SuperCard is still being 
enhanced to this day.

Software that's been around long enough becomes a collection odd stories 
that explain the many anomalies it will possess.  It doesn't correct 
them, just explains them.

I believe array support in MetaCard predates the Unicode standard.

I agree that the current situation is less than ideal, and indeed 
NULL-terminated strings are the bane of many programmers who now find 
themselves faced with Unicode.

So it goes.

I know many deep changes are occurring throughout the code base to 
accommodate Unicode ever better.  I'd be surprised if this isn't one of 
them, but there's such a long list it may take a while to address.

Software is a complex business, even on short-lived products.  The only 
thing more complex is to be successful enough to survive until your data 
structures become obsolete by new standards. :)

--
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Apr 30 18:43:45 2012
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 00:43:45 +0200
Subject: Server doesn't send response code
In-Reply-To: <4F9EDFBF.3080903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4F9DEF59.8080701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F9EDB53.5040909@fourthworld.com>
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Message-ID: <523FCC2A-81DE-452A-9928-35254B2651FA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jacque,

What is the character set defined in your PayPal account? Look somewhere in profile>more options. Is it UTF8?

Another long shot: try setting the user agent to either "-" (that's a dash) or the user agent of a common browser.

What about switching to PHP?

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On 30 apr 2012, at 20:53, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Maybe. Mark S. suggested the same thing. The default POST header for Content-Type is "application/x-www-form-urlencoded", which is what he uses. I believe content-length is also sent by default. I don't know what other things should be sent in the headers, but would like to know.
> 
> The thing is, the POSTs and responses do go through. Everything appears to work; I get the data and PayPal responds to my POST correctly. The only thing that doesn't work is (apparently) no response code is sent. The one exception are script errors, where PayPal does register an error 500. Othewise no codes appear in PayPal's history.
> 
> If it weren't for the fact that PayPal continues to resend requests so many times, I'd just forget about it. I have all the data I need, and it's verified. For now, I've put a check into the script that just drops duplicate resends silently. That works, but I'd rather the server didn't get hit on so much. After enough resends, PayPal registers a failure and stops, but I'm not sure how many failures it will allow before it decides my server isn't operative and drops the account. I don't even know if that's how it works, but I don't want to chance it.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Apr 30 19:10:04 2012
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:10:04 -0700
Subject: Gatekeeper
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOiJXWjESPbEmkHxWTMfgprOCkYWBk2NX4Huh=iNxzhFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiJXWjESPbEmkHxWTMfgprOCkYWBk2NX4Huh=iNxzhFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27187155265.20120430161004@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Monday, April 30, 2012, 2:26:05 PM, you wrote:

> Probably old news to some folks but thought it would be worth sharing.

I got that email too, and it was news to me. I'm removing the (OT)
from the subject line, as this seems quite relevant.

-- 
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 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 30 19:16:43 2012
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:16:43 -0600
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <4F9F1597.6020500@fourthworld.com>
References: <1FDAD632-614D-4BC4-B15F-73A74E945A1C@swcp.com>
	<4F9F1597.6020500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <ED4A394E-34C1-45DD-9F48-BC17870048CB@swcp.com>

I doubt that anybody is to go say "my code broke" when this is fixed.  I understand the collection of odd stories, but LiveCode is for everybody not just the priesthood.  I think the issue here is more than unicode; binary data applies.  

Thank you for putting up with my mock crankiness.  

Dar

On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> > I am not advocating doing away with arrays.  I am advocating doing
> > them right.  This "feature" (bug) should have been fixed before
> > arrayEncode() was created, immediately before if not well before.
> 
> Back in the olden days when people still used Usenet, there was a lengthy thread in comp.sys.mac.hypercard in which Christopher Watson of the SuperCard team and Kevin Calhoun of the HyperCard team debated almost to the point of fisticuffs the approach each team took toward language enhancements.
> 
> Calhoun's position was that the HC team felt it was very important to get a feature absolutely right before rolling it out, that the syntax had to have a good feel to it and the feature itself be complete.  He noted that many times the team was willing to hold off on a feature until it met their standards.
> 
> Watson's position could be summarized as, "Yeah, but we ship."
> 
> ;)
> 
> HyperCard died three years later, while SuperCard is still being enhanced to this day.
> 
> Software that's been around long enough becomes a collection odd stories that explain the many anomalies it will possess.  It doesn't correct them, just explains them.
> 
> I believe array support in MetaCard predates the Unicode standard.
> 
> I agree that the current situation is less than ideal, and indeed NULL-terminated strings are the bane of many programmers who now find themselves faced with Unicode.
> 
> So it goes.
> 
> I know many deep changes are occurring throughout the code base to accommodate Unicode ever better.  I'd be surprised if this isn't one of them, but there's such a long list it may take a while to address.
> 
> Software is a complex business, even on short-lived products.  The only thing more complex is to be successful enough to survive until your data structures become obsolete by new standards. :)
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Apr 30 19:52:00 2012
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:52:00 -0700
Subject: Characters that can be used in an array key
In-Reply-To: <ED4A394E-34C1-45DD-9F48-BC17870048CB@swcp.com>
References: <ED4A394E-34C1-45DD-9F48-BC17870048CB@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4F9F25A0.60707@fourthworld.com>

Dar Scott wrote:

 > I doubt that anybody is to go say "my code broke" when this is
 > fixed.  I understand the collection of odd stories, but LiveCode
 > is for everybody not just the priesthood.  I think the issue here
 > is more than unicode; binary data applies.

Agreed on all fronts.  Would be nice.  It'll get there.


 > Thank you for putting up with my mock crankiness.

My only disappointment is that you weren't crankier - I could use a 
snack right about now, and you've been known to show good taste in the 
selection of food that you throw. :)

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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Apr 30 19:53:58 2012
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:53:58 -0700
Subject: Gatekeeper
In-Reply-To: <27187155265.20120430161004@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eOiJXWjESPbEmkHxWTMfgprOCkYWBk2NX4Huh=iNxzhFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<27187155265.20120430161004@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMNDW0fvE5wqane7F810Lf2uDBm-JiMo=x9Ng3q6oP7Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I guess it's not totally off topic.  I believe there was a thread a
while back about Gatekeeper and the  dire warning that would ensue in
Mountain Lion if a user tried to install an app that wasn't signed.
Pete
On Apr 30, 2012 4:10 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Monday, April 30, 2012, 2:26:05 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Probably old news to some folks but thought it would be worth sharing.
>
> I got that email too, and it was news to me. I'm removing the (OT)
> from the subject line, as this seems quite relevant.
>
> --
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>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon Apr 30 20:55:31 2012
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:55:31 -0700
Subject: SoCal LUG meeting:  May 3, Pasadena
In-Reply-To: <4F9ECEF3.9070109@fourthworld.com>
References: <4F9ECEF3.9070109@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5F97C2C9-532F-4968-B65F-9C7C3B6F92D0@mac.com>

I look forward to seeing folks there and demonstrating my soon to be released LiveCode Task List IDE plugin lcTaskList.

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On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Same place, same time, same good food, more great conversation about getting the most out of LiveCode - details in the forum:
> 
> <http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11767>
> 
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