use-livecode Digest, Vol 97, Issue 37

James Hurley jhurley0305 at
Tue Oct 18 12:47:26 EDT 2011


The potential for LC in education is two-fold. One is in writing educational software and the other is LC as a programming environment.

I see the latter as more valuable, particularly for science students. FORTRAN  is for the heavy calculations where the programmer must make allowances for the computer. LC is for those problems where more consideration is given to the programmer over the computer. I remember working with a zoologist analyzing the mechanics of the running cheata. I did it in LOGO because it was faster to program and easier to obtain a graphical representation of the data. The run-time for the program was seconds.

Like you I have found that RR has enriched my life, allowing me to work out my ideas in a program designed by me to suit that particular idea. 

Glad you enjoy Nine Ball With Spin. I confess that I may have spent only a half hour playing the game. My game was in the programming. (I'm sure that is an element for all of RRs aficionados.)  And if you are the type who is tempted to cheat at solitaire, I am, then I have a upgrade for you: Nine Ball With Projections. It  calculates where the struck ball will go, given your selected path for the cue ball, and draws that line showing the projected result. You can't miss. Not much fun unless you are failure averse. 

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Jim Hurley

[Alejandro wrote: ]

> James Hurley wrote:
>> [snip]
>> Kevin and I discussed the possibility of implementing it as part of Run
>> Rev.
>> They were more interesting in education at the time.
> Yes, I hope to see more Livecode and LOGO teaching
> in the future. In LOGO, the teacher is fundamental to
> produce extraordinary results. 
> The greatest teaching ideas are widely celebrated and
> quickly forgotten... almost like a ritual.
> In my eyes, the longer I look into the Education field 
> this become more and more paradoxical. Almost like a
> Lewis Carroll tale, with the complete cast of characters.
> I am sure that Livecode is a resounding sucess when used
> to teach Introduction to Computer Programming.
> At least for me, this computer language provided the
> confidence to try many ideas that I would not even dare to. 
> Yes, this computer language inspire confidence.
> Does every computer language instill this 
> in their users/developers?
> Why Livecode teaching is not more extended, as expected, 
> in the English speaking world? My best guess is that
> everyone that look at Livecode, believe that it's a
> neat idea... and their next question is:
> Is this endorsed, recommended and approved by the
> powers that be in education???
> This is exactly the moment where you understand
> that more and more people in the education field 
> are not, and do not pretend to be leaders, but followers...
> Sad, but true...
> James Hurley wrote:
>> I'm not sure where that file you found came from, but it is not very
>> readable.
>> I have a clean version I will send you separately. Do not share it with
>> others
>> at this time. I have retitled (and did some rewriting of)  the Logo
>> Physics book
>> to "Programming for Science Students." I think that is the appropriate
>> market
>> --if one exists at all.
> Received. Many Thanks! :-)
> James Hurley wrote:
>> [snip]
>> Unfortunately I am out of touch with this market now and so have
>> nothing for you about current applications, if any. Trouble is perception.
>> It is perceived as a tool for children, a perception quickly dispelled in
>> Turtle Geometry by Abelson and diSessa. The last chapter is titled:
>> Curved Geometry and General Relativity. 
> Interesting enough, in this page:
> there is a surprising error:
> Hal Abelson is Class of 1922 Professor of Computer Science and
> Engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology
> Class of 1922!!! Extraordinary, to say the least. :-)
> By the way, your stack:
> is the only game that I play with some frecuency.
> Thanks again, Jim
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