From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Wed Sep  1 02:53:21 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:53:21 -0700
Subject: DragImage question
Message-ID: <D378971C-C6EB-410B-8056-BC8DFB22EA51@mollysrevenge.com>

Just working on my first drag/drop code.  All seems to be working fine  
and a lot easier to implement than I thought it would be!

I'm dragging the contents of a field (text) into another field on the  
same card and would like to see a faint outline of the source field  
and it's text follow the cursor to the destination field.  I know I  
can set the dragImage property to an image number but in this case,  
the image would be different each time because of the text in the field.

Any ideas?

Pete Haworth











From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  1 03:30:39 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:30:39 +0200
Subject: Updating Plug-in Menu
Message-ID: <25C21F0C-B5A4-4E9E-B5D4-DF6DA5179E9E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

My Installer Maker Plug-in comes wrapped in an installer itself. This installer installs the plug-in in the appropriate place, but once installation has finished, the user needs to restart RunRev to update the plug-in menu. I would like to avoid this and write a script to update the plug-in menu. Before I start dissecting the IDE... has anyone figured out already how to update the plug-in menu without restarting Revolution?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep  1 03:56:22 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 00:56:22 -0700
Subject: Updating Plug-in Menu
In-Reply-To: <25C21F0C-B5A4-4E9E-B5D4-DF6DA5179E9E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C8A35536.4C415%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> My Installer Maker Plug-in comes wrapped in an installer itself. This
> installer installs the plug-in in the appropriate place, but once installation
> has finished, the user needs to restart RunRev to update the plug-in menu. I
> would like to avoid this and write a script to update the plug-in menu. Before
> I start dissecting the IDE... has anyone figured out already how to update the
> plug-in menu without restarting Revolution?

Not sure how to refresh the Plugins menu directly, but in my (limited)
experience, the dialog launched from Development > Plugins > Plugin Settings
is able to see anything newly added to the plugins folder in its pulldown
list.  Perhaps you can poke around there to see if there's anything you can
hack into.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 04:38:53 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:38:53 +0200
Subject: DragImage question
In-Reply-To: <D378971C-C6EB-410B-8056-BC8DFB22EA51@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <D378971C-C6EB-410B-8056-BC8DFB22EA51@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c2SieLCDgwS4HwLP9_CtjkWHc7Y0h0woy6e01@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> Just working on my first drag/drop code. ?All seems to be working fine and a
> lot easier to implement than I thought it would be!
>
> I'm dragging the contents of a field (text) into another field on the same
> card and would like to see a faint outline of the source field and it's text
> follow the cursor to the destination field. ?I know I can set the dragImage
> property to an image number but in this case, the image would be different
> each time because of the text in the field.

Hi Pete,

A solution could consist to create an image of the field on the fly.
For doing that you can use the export snapshot command:

export snapshot from field "myDataField" \
         to image "DragImageField" as PNG
  set the dragImage to the short id of image "DragImageField"


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep  1 04:52:30 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:52:30 +1000
Subject: Updating Plug-in Menu
In-Reply-To: <25C21F0C-B5A4-4E9E-B5D4-DF6DA5179E9E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <25C21F0C-B5A4-4E9E-B5D4-DF6DA5179E9E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <10AC77A4-9B74-4794-966B-703CBCF7B4E5@sweattechnologies.com>

send "revUpdatePlugins" to cd 1 of stack "revMenuBar"

On 01/09/2010, at 5:30 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My Installer Maker Plug-in comes wrapped in an installer itself. This installer installs the plug-in in the appropriate place, but once installation has finished, the user needs to restart RunRev to update the plug-in menu. I would like to avoid this and write a script to update the plug-in menu. Before I start dissecting the IDE... has anyone figured out already how to update the plug-in menu without restarting Revolution?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!
> 
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  1 05:02:56 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:02:56 +0200
Subject: Updating Plug-in Menu
In-Reply-To: <10AC77A4-9B74-4794-966B-703CBCF7B4E5@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <25C21F0C-B5A4-4E9E-B5D4-DF6DA5179E9E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<10AC77A4-9B74-4794-966B-703CBCF7B4E5@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <8BFEFD71-C141-408E-A7BE-B3E74893B906@economy-x-talk.com>

Thanks Scott and Monte. I'll try the revUpdatePlugins command.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce

On 1 sep 2010, at 10:52, Monte Goulding wrote:

> send "revUpdatePlugins" to cd 1 of stack "revMenuBar"



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 05:15:55 2010
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:15:55 +0100
Subject: revNavigator
In-Reply-To: <4C6E22DC.3090400@gmail.com>
References: <20100812040139.AEBF32883B3@mail.runrev.com>
	<5F9FB8FA-F0DD-46EA-89E2-D598E613F64D@mollysrevenge.com>
	<93A449FA-CADE-467A-B3B8-4B2468DFDF29@gmail.com>
	<4C64400D.3070301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTi=SY70RAwmm9ArEatqDNmVXP8vf+e5WDSXQa9+W@mail.gmail.com>
	<DA778A2E-333C-4075-956C-71AB74B42EBC@ahsomme.com>
	<FBBA9243-826D-4BE5-BC6E-E68E710692C4@canelasoftware.com>
	<AANLkTimXZu5ZV0E8mdh1j+6AVoQQKb4Ee45fFg4V05Po@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimixvxx+pQMNnMVxZRkshac1P405DUC0pvP-jt_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinAA+6GQj8JjxQ=LWyoFryhU9uMqHuXGAjt91bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinV57UHSMwZ1P0EvbQbvbQTQ2iNUByhNBrm7aEi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikZJt4WEoCdVM1n_fHJTwsO9CMz6DcP-sGnNZ3J@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C6E22DC.3090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDNp-0XpUsqw-g80bHeRAvozP-uQ1BrK0Bi8kM@mail.gmail.com>

I too am a fan of revNavigator, and only discovered it about 18 months
ago.  It's one of those things that just looks too simple to be
useful.  But once I started to use it I realised how much power lay
beneath its simple uncluttered interface.

I've been away from Rev develoopment for a while, so I can't remember
what features it was lacking since Geoff moved on to new pastures.
However, I seem to remember that the source ships with it, so there's
nothing stopping us from maintaining/improving it.

Bernard


From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep  1 07:53:25 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:53:25 +0200
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DD4951BB-AC28-4BDE-8453-07E04A3854F5@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

I am a little stumped on this one. :-(

trying to do:

revCopyFile tNewFilename,(pDestinationPath&"/bilder")
put the result

tNewFilename =  9999-1_ds_7_2.jpg
(pDestinationPath&"/bilder" )= /Users/maltebrill2/Documents/archaeodox/9999-1/9999-1_datensicherung/bilder
result = Execution Error

there is a file tNewFilename in the defaultFolder and the folder I want to copy to exists. 
I have read and write permissions to both file and folder. The path is dynamically created based on specialfolderpath("Documents")

On a win system this works flawlessly. What is going wrong here?

As the result is not very meaningful I tried:

put URL ("binfile:"&tNewFileName) into URL ("binfile:"&(pDestinationPath&"/bilder")

Which yields "Can?t open file"

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Malte

From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Wed Sep  1 08:03:46 2010
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:03:46 +0300
Subject: Is anybody working with Arabic?
Message-ID: <7D70DC15-AF7C-4961-BD47-4450B7BE7395@mac.com>

Thanks Richmond and Mark for the tips and advice.

Both were beyond my abilities at this time, but I appreciate it anyway.

For now I'll stick with my workarounds, one of which is trying to make  
sure that empty lines are never created in the custom property the  
first place. If that doesn't succeed, there is always:

repeat with i = 1 to the num of lines in tData
   if line i in tData = empty then delete line i in tData
end repeat

Obviously slower than "filter without empty" but the content of that  
custom property won't be large enough to make it noticable. By the way  
- I never understood why this, which is faster than "repeat with ..",  
doesn't work.

repeat for ech line X in tData
   if X = empty then delete  X
end repeat

I use "repeat for each ..." in many handlers, but it doesn't work here  
and i don't see the difference.

Last thing - the alphabetical question. Is the result of sorting  
Arabic text linesalphabetical indeed alphabetical?

Cheers again,

Lars


> I am working with Arabic for the first time and have a problem.  
> First of all, I do not speak, read or write Arabic, so I can't spot  
> things that might be obvious.  This project if for a friend who is  
> learning Arabic. He will eventually enter his own content, and my  
> Arabic content is just gibberish for testing purposes.
>
> So far, most things work as predicted - the Arabic font, right to  
> left text, etc. (looks weird by the way - the insertion point stays  
> at the right as new characters are added/deleted at the left)
>
> The only problem so far is this;
>
> The bilingual content is stored as a tab delimited list in a custom  
> property. When I filter the custom property without empty, I lose  
> all of the content of the custom property except the first line or  
> 2. I finally noticed after much frustration that this seems to  
> happen when there is more than one arabic word in an item, that is I  
> lose all of the content starting with the first space in an Arabic  
> item.
> The only thing I could think of is that the ASCII number of a space  
> using the Arabic keyboard layout differs from the ASCII number of a  
> European keyboard layout, but they are both 32.
>
> I found out a long time ago that when a " appears in such a tab  
> delimited list custom property, it causes weird things to happen,  
> but I can easily work around it, and it never caused content in the  
> custom property to just disappear while filtering without empty. Is  
> there something about Arabic text that I obviously don't know? For  
> now, all I can do is NOT filter without empty, which I do routinely  
> in scripts because an empty line in the custom property would be a  
> big problem for this particulat stack.
>
> Anyone have an idea about this?
>
> Also, when Runrev "supports" Arabic, does that mean that sorting  
> aplphabetically works correctly? I can see that the text lines are  
> indeed sorted by the first letter, but I obviously can't tell  
> whether it is alphabetical.




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep  1 08:14:41 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:14:41 +0200
Subject: Is anybody working with Arabic?
In-Reply-To: <7D70DC15-AF7C-4961-BD47-4450B7BE7395@mac.com>
References: <7D70DC15-AF7C-4961-BD47-4450B7BE7395@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A4F35E2A-3B4A-466B-B039-A4EF871537F0@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Lars, Du alter Globetrotter :-)

> Thanks Richmond and Mark for the tips and advice.
> 
> Both were beyond my abilities at this time, but I appreciate it anyway.
> For now I'll stick with my workarounds, one of which is trying to make sure that empty lines are never created in the custom property the first place. If that doesn't succeed, there is always:
> 
> repeat with i = 1 to the num of lines in tData
>  if line i in tData = empty then delete line i in tData
> end repeat

when deleting lines in data, you should start from the END of the data like:
...
repeat with i =  the num of lines of tData DOWN to 1
   if line i of tData = empty then 
      delete line i of tData
  end if
end repeat
...

> Obviously slower than "filter without empty" but the content of that custom property won't be large enough to make it noticable. By the way - I never understood why this, which is faster than "repeat with ..", doesn't work.
> 
> repeat for ech line X in tData
>  if X = empty then delete  X
> end repeat

"repeat for each" is READ only, which means you cannot modify (or delete) the value in X in your case!
X in this case will hold the CONTENT of the line and not its line number!

Change it like this and it will work:
...
repeat for each line X in tData
   if X <> empty then 
     put X & CR after newData
  end if
end repeat
delete char -1 of newData
put newData into tData
## Or just use newData from now on...
...

> 
> I use "repeat for each ..." in many handlers, but it doesn't work here and i don't see the difference.

See above...

> Last thing - the alphabetical question. Is the result of sorting Arabic text linesalphabetical indeed alphabetical?

Mark, Richmond? :-)

> Cheers again,
> 
> Lars


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep  1 08:18:11 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:18:11 +0200
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B6BB4F42-E29E-4B33-9D20-1F1030F1C2B1@derbrill.de>

Slight correction.

This appears to work:

put URL ("binfile:"&tNewFilename) into URL ("binfile:"&pDestinationPath&"/bilder/"&tNewFileName)

However, this is quite suboptimal, as it reads the file into memory. 

Cheers,

malte



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep  1 08:32:14 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:32:14 +0200
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <B6BB4F42-E29E-4B33-9D20-1F1030F1C2B1@derbrill.de>
References: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
	<B6BB4F42-E29E-4B33-9D20-1F1030F1C2B1@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <2C3DECE0-A372-4BBF-BBF6-40A9A7B4C719@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Malte,:

> Slight correction.
> 
> This appears to work:
> put URL ("binfile:"&tNewFilename) into URL ("binfile:"&pDestinationPath&"/bilder/"&tNewFileName)
> However, this is quite suboptimal, as it reads the file into memory. 

Wild guess:
Does it work if you add a SLASH to the targetfolder
-> revCopyFile tNewFilename,(pDestinationPath&"/bilder/")

> Cheers,
> 
> malte

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep  1 08:48:58 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:48:58 +0200
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100818162506.52040288C38@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BBE0ADC3-AD77-46C9-B99C-9A7C2152B7C9@derbrill.de>

Hi Klaus!

No, BUT it works with an ABSOLUTE filepath...

adding a note to the docs. *sigh*



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep  1 12:34:00 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:34:00 -0400
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
Message-ID: <766CABCF-4D88-43CC-9AA2-C388F075072D@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

On-rev question about collecting web form information.  Suppose I have a questionnaire that uses 40 sequentially named menus for the answer choices.  I could collect them individually like this.

	put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
	put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
	put $_POST["Q3"] into q3
	put $_POST["Q4"] into q4
	put $_POST["Q5"] into q5
	...
	put $_POST["Q40"] into q40

But of course my first inclination is to avoid 40 lines and use a loop.  So I tried

	repeat with i=1 to 40
	put $_POST[(quote & Q & i & quote)] & comma after theSubmission
	end repeat

and a number of variations, such as,

	(quote & Q & the value of i & quote)

but all I ever get returned is an empty list, i.e., {,,,,,,,,,,,,}.  Any suggestions?


Regards,

Gregory


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 12:39:48 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <766CABCF-4D88-43CC-9AA2-C388F075072D@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <543643.96370.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Gregory,

Does the non-loop script work?? 

-- referring to this part:

??? put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
??? put $_POST["Q2"] into q2

Mike



--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:

From: Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
To: "Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:34 AM

Hello everyone,

On-rev question about collecting web form information.? Suppose I have a questionnaire that uses 40 sequentially named menus for the answer choices.? I could collect them individually like this.

??? put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
??? put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
??? put $_POST["Q3"] into q3
??? put $_POST["Q4"] into q4
??? put $_POST["Q5"] into q5
??? ...
??? put $_POST["Q40"] into q40

But of course my first inclination is to avoid 40 lines and use a loop.? So I tried

??? repeat with i=1 to 40
??? put $_POST[(quote & Q & i & quote)] & comma after theSubmission
??? end repeat

and a number of variations, such as,

??? (quote & Q & the value of i & quote)

but all I ever get returned is an empty list, i.e., {,,,,,,,,,,,,}.? Any suggestions?


Regards,

Gregory
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:47:46 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:47:46 -0600
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <543643.96370.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <766CABCF-4D88-43CC-9AA2-C388F075072D@videotron.ca>
	<543643.96370.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=KtMBU_JEtE+YS=Eh1LP5gajNJe+ee5Y87BvQk@mail.gmail.com>

use a for each loop instead like

repeat for each key theKey in $_POST
    put $_POST[theKey] & comma after theSubmission

end repeat

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Gregory,
>
> Does the non-loop script work?
>
> -- referring to this part:
>
>     put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
>     put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> From: Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
> Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
> To: "Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:34 AM
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> On-rev question about collecting web form information.  Suppose I have a
> questionnaire that uses 40 sequentially named menus for the answer choices.
> I could collect them individually like this.
>
>     put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
>     put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
>     put $_POST["Q3"] into q3
>     put $_POST["Q4"] into q4
>     put $_POST["Q5"] into q5
>     ...
>     put $_POST["Q40"] into q40
>
> But of course my first inclination is to avoid 40 lines and use a loop.  So
> I tried
>
>     repeat with i=1 to 40
>     put $_POST[(quote & Q & i & quote)] & comma after theSubmission
>     end repeat
>
> and a number of variations, such as,
>
>     (quote & Q & the value of i & quote)
>
> but all I ever get returned is an empty list, i.e., {,,,,,,,,,,,,}.  Any
> suggestions?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Gregory
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep  1 12:53:13 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:53:13 -0400
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <20100901163936.A073528827E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100901163936.A073528827E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7A283027-1D3E-40B2-818A-0C10F3B994BF@videotron.ca>

Hello Mike,

Thanks for responding.  Yes, it does.  I'm able to display the choice made and save them to a file.

Gregory

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Michael Kann wrote:

> Does the non-loop script work?  
> 
> -- referring to this part:
> 
>     put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
>     put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
> 
> Mike



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep  1 13:06:09 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:06:09 -0700
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <766CABCF-4D88-43CC-9AA2-C388F075072D@videotron.ca>
References: <766CABCF-4D88-43CC-9AA2-C388F075072D@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4C7E8801.9070803@pdslabs.net>

  On 9/1/10 9:34 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> On-rev question about collecting web form information.  Suppose I have a questionnaire that uses 40 sequentially named menus for the answer choices.  I could collect them individually like this.
>
> 	put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
> 	put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
> 	put $_POST["Q3"] into q3
> 	put $_POST["Q4"] into q4
> 	put $_POST["Q5"] into q5
> 	...
> 	put $_POST["Q40"] into q40
>
> But of course my first inclination is to avoid 40 lines and use a loop.  So I tried
>
> 	repeat with i=1 to 40
> 	put $_POST[(quote&  Q&  i&  quote)]&  comma after theSubmission
> 	end repeat
>
> and a number of variations, such as,
>
> 	(quote&  Q&  the value of i&  quote)
>
> but all I ever get returned is an empty list, i.e., {,,,,,,,,,,,,}.  Any suggestions?

Maybe break your one-liner into two:

repeat with i = 1 to 40
     put "Q" & i into tKey
     put $_POST[tKey] & comma after theSubmission
end repeat

I would be surprised if this didn't work.

Best -
Phil Davis

>
> Regards,
>
> Gregory
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 13:18:56 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:18:56 -0600
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <4C7E8801.9070803@pdslabs.net>
References: <766CABCF-4D88-43CC-9AA2-C388F075072D@videotron.ca>
	<4C7E8801.9070803@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMSVevbqkFf9U8bvG=jzmXPWqaYwXLZzLzHzLq@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah, to do it the way you want, change yours to

       put $_POST[("Q" &  i)] &  comma after theSubmission

The way it was setup to begin with, you're trying to match a key with quotes
because you explicitly put quote & q etc in for evaluation. So in effect it
would return a non-existant array entry because its looking for the quotes.

However, the repeat for each is probably easier all around just because you
can set your script up to handle a changing number of post variables. Repeat
for each key will find however many are sent so that you can parse them and
don't have to mess with concatenating a string together. Also means you can
name them anything you want.  The only side affect of this is that since
arrays are unsorted, if you need results returned in a specific order based
on post variable name you'll need to sort them yourself.

IE:

put the keys of $_POST into tKeys
sort tKeys
repeat for each line theKey in tKeys
do your stuff here with $_POST[theKey]
end repeat
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

>  On 9/1/10 9:34 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> On-rev question about collecting web form information.  Suppose I have a
>> questionnaire that uses 40 sequentially named menus for the answer choices.
>>  I could collect them individually like this.
>>
>>        put $_POST["Q1"] into q1
>>        put $_POST["Q2"] into q2
>>        put $_POST["Q3"] into q3
>>        put $_POST["Q4"] into q4
>>        put $_POST["Q5"] into q5
>>        ...
>>        put $_POST["Q40"] into q40
>>
>> But of course my first inclination is to avoid 40 lines and use a loop.
>>  So I tried
>>
>>        repeat with i=1 to 40
>>        put $_POST[(quote&  Q&  i&  quote)]&  comma after theSubmission
>>        end repeat
>>
>> and a number of variations, such as,
>>
>>        (quote&  Q&  the value of i&  quote)
>>
>> but all I ever get returned is an empty list, i.e., {,,,,,,,,,,,,}.  Any
>> suggestions?
>>
>
> Maybe break your one-liner into two:
>
>
> repeat with i = 1 to 40
>    put "Q" & i into tKey
>    put $_POST[tKey] & comma after theSubmission
> end repeat
>
> I would be surprised if this didn't work.
>
> Best -
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gregory
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>>
> --
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 13:23:34 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <4C7E8801.9070803@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <172120.25641.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Phil,

I added a line to your solution.

repeat with i = 1 to 40
? ???put "Q" & i into tKey
???? put the value of tKey into tKey --- ADDED LINE HERE
? ???put $_POST[tKey] & comma after theSubmission
end repeat

Mike



      

From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 13:30:22 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:30:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <172120.25641.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <320868.61149.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Phil,

After testing, I guess it works without the added line anyway. Works either way. Disregard correction.

Mike

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 12:23 PM

Phil,

I added a line to your solution.

repeat with i = 1 to 40
? ???put "Q" & i into tKey
???? put the value of tKey into tKey --- ADDED LINE HERE
? ???put $_POST[tKey] & comma after theSubmission
end repeat

Mike




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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 15:56:58 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:56:58 +0300
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
Message-ID: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>

Under the HELP menu.

Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:

it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
that my dears was all.

if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:11:04 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:11:04 +0200
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimtBuN236M-Fc-XFvQ98AsY76JA=BzK7e7TP0fT@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Under the HELP menu.
>
> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>
> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
> that my dears was all.
>
> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?

Probably because it works pretty well for others.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:21:31 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:21:31 +0300
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimtBuN236M-Fc-XFvQ98AsY76JA=BzK7e7TP0fT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimtBuN236M-Fc-XFvQ98AsY76JA=BzK7e7TP0fT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7EB5CB.9020600@gmail.com>

On 09/01/2010 11:11 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Under the HELP menu.
>>
>> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>>
>> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
>> that my dears was all.
>>
>> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?
>>      
> Probably because it works pretty well for others.
>
>
> Regards,
>    

Interesting:

Let's try it again on Mac OS 10.4.11 and Ubuntu 10.04:

Funny . . . now it gave a 'fart' when I opened it the first time on my 
MacMini.

Now I typed 'search' into the 'search box and it gave me a reference to 
a website
on Geocities that does not exist anymore . . . cool or what?

Typed 'Unicode': nix.

Typed 'button': nix.

OK, on the Google "tab" it gives me a simple Google search - but, hey, I 
have a couple
of web-browsers installed on each of my systems.

Possibly naive (wouldn't be the first time), I imagined it would come up 
with RunRev relevant
information.

The 'Dictionary Quick Search' is significantly slower than the inbuilt 
Documentation . . . err . . .
waiting . . . wow:

"Could not find "button" as a string in the dictionary"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I wonder quite what you mean by "useful"? Certainly evidencing a 
semantic shirt there, methinks.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:24:25 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:25 -0600
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <4C7EB5CB.9020600@gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimtBuN236M-Fc-XFvQ98AsY76JA=BzK7e7TP0fT@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C7EB5CB.9020600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRw5CG35Shs8L0qQS-g+SgNhPThOFjjhfrn52F@mail.gmail.com>

Same here.  Google search works, gmane works, the rev database errors for
me.
Can't get a single dictionary search to work, whether quick or deep.  Not
that it matters to me that much since I didn't know it was there before
today, but even so.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 09/01/2010 11:11 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Under the HELP menu.
>>>
>>> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>>>
>>> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
>>> that my dears was all.
>>>
>>> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?
>>>
>>>
>> Probably because it works pretty well for others.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>
> Interesting:
>
> Let's try it again on Mac OS 10.4.11 and Ubuntu 10.04:
>
> Funny . . . now it gave a 'fart' when I opened it the first time on my
> MacMini.
>
> Now I typed 'search' into the 'search box and it gave me a reference to a
> website
> on Geocities that does not exist anymore . . . cool or what?
>
> Typed 'Unicode': nix.
>
> Typed 'button': nix.
>
> OK, on the Google "tab" it gives me a simple Google search - but, hey, I
> have a couple
> of web-browsers installed on each of my systems.
>
> Possibly naive (wouldn't be the first time), I imagined it would come up
> with RunRev relevant
> information.
>
> The 'Dictionary Quick Search' is significantly slower than the inbuilt
> Documentation . . . err . . .
> waiting . . . wow:
>
> "Could not find "button" as a string in the dictionary"
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I wonder quite what you mean by "useful"? Certainly evidencing a semantic
> shirt there, methinks.
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Sep  1 16:31:01 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:31:01 -0700
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7EB805.9040109@comcast.net>

  I don't think it's a Rev thing - it's an OS thing. Some apps use it in 
conjunction with a PDF which is tucked inside the application bundle. I 
was actually curious as to how one would implement it. For example, open 
TextEdit and use it to see how it can function.

Marty Knapp
> Under the HELP menu.
>
> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>
> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
> that my dears was all.
>
> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?
> _______________________________________________
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:31:53 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:31:53 +0300
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikRw5CG35Shs8L0qQS-g+SgNhPThOFjjhfrn52F@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com>	<AANLkTimtBuN236M-Fc-XFvQ98AsY76JA=BzK7e7TP0fT@mail.gmail.com>	<4C7EB5CB.9020600@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikRw5CG35Shs8L0qQS-g+SgNhPThOFjjhfrn52F@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7EB839.2000500@gmail.com>

On 09/01/2010 11:24 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Same here.  Google search works, gmane works, the rev database errors for
> me.
> Can't get a single dictionary search to work, whether quick or deep.  Not
> that it matters to me that much since I didn't know it was there before
> today, but even so.
>    

There's gold in them thar hills.

Or, fool's gold . . .  :)

> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>    
>> On 09/01/2010 11:11 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Under the HELP menu.
>>>>
>>>> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>>>>
>>>> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
>>>> that my dears was all.
>>>>
>>>> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Probably because it works pretty well for others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Interesting:
>>
>> Let's try it again on Mac OS 10.4.11 and Ubuntu 10.04:
>>
>> Funny . . . now it gave a 'fart' when I opened it the first time on my
>> MacMini.
>>
>> Now I typed 'search' into the 'search box and it gave me a reference to a
>> website
>> on Geocities that does not exist anymore . . . cool or what?
>>
>> Typed 'Unicode': nix.
>>
>> Typed 'button': nix.
>>
>> OK, on the Google "tab" it gives me a simple Google search - but, hey, I
>> have a couple
>> of web-browsers installed on each of my systems.
>>
>> Possibly naive (wouldn't be the first time), I imagined it would come up
>> with RunRev relevant
>> information.
>>
>> The 'Dictionary Quick Search' is significantly slower than the inbuilt
>> Documentation . . . err . . .
>> waiting . . . wow:
>>
>> "Could not find "button" as a string in the dictionary"
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I wonder quite what you mean by "useful"? Certainly evidencing a semantic
>> shirt there, methinks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:35:51 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:35:51 +0300
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <4C7EB805.9040109@comcast.net>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com> <4C7EB805.9040109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C7EB927.5020008@gmail.com>

On 09/01/2010 11:31 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>  I don't think it's a Rev thing - it's an OS thing. 

It behaves no worse or no better under Mac Os 10.4.11 or Ubuntu 10.04

Mind you; I love RunRev and have programmed successfully with it for 
coming on for 10
years now without this "thang" so my feeling is that it would be no 
great loss if it were quietly removed
in the next incarnation.

> Some apps use it in conjunction with a PDF which is tucked inside the 
> application bundle. I was actually curious as to how one would 
> implement it. For example, open TextEdit and use it to see how it can 
> function.
>
> Marty Knapp
>> Under the HELP menu.
>>
>> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>>
>> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
>> that my dears was all.
>>
>> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:56:02 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:56:02 +0200
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <4C7EB927.5020008@gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com> <4C7EB805.9040109@comcast.net>
	<4C7EB927.5020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinqMEBO6T2RfyL0W9+NpWtfr8=WyxTonYCUE6PT@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/01/2010 11:31 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
>>
>> ?I don't think it's a Rev thing - it's an OS thing.
>
> It behaves no worse or no better under Mac Os 10.4.11 or Ubuntu 10.04
>
> Mind you; I love RunRev and have programmed successfully with it for coming
> on for 10
> years now without this "thang" so my feeling is that it would be no great
> loss if it were quietly removed
> in the next incarnation.
>
>> Some apps use it in conjunction with a PDF which is tucked inside the
>> application bundle. I was actually curious as to how one would implement it.
>> For example, open TextEdit and use it to see how it can function.
>>
>> Marty Knapp
>>>
>>> Under the HELP menu.
>>>
>>> Probably the second time in about 9 years I have ever tried to use this:
>>>
>>> it gave what can only be described as "a little fart" on my MacMini, and
>>> that my dears was all.
>>>
>>> if it is nothing but flatulence, why is it still there?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>
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A tool with those lines as header:
-- Rev Search Engine by Eric Chatonet
-- Website: sosmartsoftware.com
-- mailto: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com

is always of great value, even if you open it only to study its code.

My opinion.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Sep  1 17:00:32 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:00:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Revolution Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <4C7EB927.5020008@gmail.com>
References: <4C7EB00A.9060703@gmail.com> <4C7EB805.9040109@comcast.net>
	<4C7EB927.5020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1283374832421-2419534.post@n4.nabble.com>


Richmond,
suppose you are in desperate need of a Button Basher which is on the old
revOnline and you remember its name or the first name of the author
go to the middle button choose RevOnline and type Richmond

or you are looking for the 4W DeskView and remember a guy with the first
name of Richard made it
in the middle button choose RevNet and type Richard

to do a Nabble/Gmane/uselist search it is a lot faster then anything else


The format of the dictionary changed so no surprise the lookup fails, the
SearchEngine is not maintained but the basic concept (I think it was Eric
Chatonet who did it?) is "so smart" It was an attempt to make the huge
amount of stacks and resources that are in numerous places accessible. Not
bad at all. 

Finally you are probably right, with time it will stop working.

regards 
Bernd
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep  1 17:13:50 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:13:50 -0400
Subject: Collecting Web Form Information Using a Loop
In-Reply-To: <20100901170004.6778728828A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100901170004.6778728828A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DEA972F0-F248-4EDC-B031-15CBC42613C4@videotron.ca>

Worked well!  Thanks, Mike.

Gregory

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> use a for each loop instead like
> 
> repeat for each key theKey in $_POST
>    put $_POST[theKey] & comma after theSubmission
> 
> end repeat



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Wed Sep  1 19:02:22 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:02:22 -0700
Subject: DragImage question
In-Reply-To: <20100901163936.D0568288281@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100901163936.D0568288281@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <36145911-4265-4D51-AC51-5D75D93A64C0@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks, I can't quite get this to work.  If  I use your code, I get an  
error on the export command "Chunk: No such object" and the file is  
not created.

I changed the export command to ....."file "DragImageField" instead  
(file instead of image), then the file was created but my Mac says  
it's a simple text file.  Then the set command fails with the same  
error.

Any ideas?

Pete Haworth


On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:39 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:38:53 +0200
> From: zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: DragImage question
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTi=c2SieLCDgwS4HwLP9_CtjkWHc7Y0h0woy6e01 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Peter Haworth  
> <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
>> Just working on my first drag/drop code.  All seems to be working  
>> fine and a
>> lot easier to implement than I thought it would be!
>>
>> I'm dragging the contents of a field (text) into another field on  
>> the same
>> card and would like to see a faint outline of the source field and  
>> it's text
>> follow the cursor to the destination field.  I know I can set the  
>> dragImage
>> property to an image number but in this case, the image would be  
>> different
>> each time because of the text in the field.
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> A solution could consist to create an image of the field on the fly.
> For doing that you can use the export snapshot command:
>
> export snapshot from field "myDataField" \
>         to image "DragImageField" as PNG
>  set the dragImage to the short id of image "DragImageField"
>
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep  1 19:06:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:06:49 -0500
Subject: DragImage question
In-Reply-To: <36145911-4265-4D51-AC51-5D75D93A64C0@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <20100901163936.D0568288281@mail.runrev.com>
	<36145911-4265-4D51-AC51-5D75D93A64C0@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4C7EDC89.5020004@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/1/10 6:02 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Thanks, I can't quite get this to work.  If  I use your code, I get an
> error on the export command "Chunk: No such object" and the file is not
> created.
>
> I changed the export command to ....."file "DragImageField" instead
> (file instead of image), then the file was created but my Mac says it's
> a simple text file. Then the set command fails with the same error.

I think our slug meant to say "import snapshot". The image has to be in 
the stack before you can use it as a dragimage or a cursor. See 
"dragimage" in the dictionary for an explanation of the technique.

"Typically, a control will want to use a pre-existing image object, or 
create a temporary object in dragStart that it deletes when it receives 
dragEnd."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 19:43:24 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:43:24 +0200
Subject: DragImage question
In-Reply-To: <4C7EDC89.5020004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100901163936.D0568288281@mail.runrev.com>
	<36145911-4265-4D51-AC51-5D75D93A64C0@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4C7EDC89.5020004@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sxU7fyZvPQb+B5-qORZVAs0c-AeOPcBynj4ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> On 9/1/10 6:02 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, I can't quite get this to work. ?If ?I use your code, I get an
>> error on the export command "Chunk: No such object" and the file is not
>> created.
>>
>> I changed the export command to ....."file "DragImageField" instead
>> (file instead of image), then the file was created but my Mac says it's
>> a simple text file. Then the set command fails with the same error.
>
> I think our slug meant to say "import snapshot". The image has to be in the
> stack before you can use it as a dragimage or a cursor. See "dragimage" in
> the dictionary for an explanation of the technique.

No no, ;)

I forgot to precise that you have to create the image first

A script like this should works to drag a field:

on dragStart
   if (there is not a image "DragField" of this cd) then
      lock screen
      create image "DragField"
      set the visible of it to false
      unlock screen
   end if

   export snapshot from field 1 to image "DragField" as PNG

   set the dragImage to the ID of image "DragField"
   put (the clickH - the left of me) & comma & (the clickV - the top
of me) into tImageOffset
   set the dragImageOffset to tImageOffset

   set the dragData["private"] to text of field 1
end dragStart


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep  1 20:21:18 2010
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:21:18 -0400
Subject: Rev POST command and Squid proxy servers?
Message-ID: <1BD27CE4-9BE2-44A1-800B-3EFC165F1E8D@embarqmail.com>

Hello all,

Any known issues when using a Rev app behind a squid proxy server? My Patent Grabber application uses a POST command which a user informed me is not working. He is setting the httpProxy property to his corporate proxy server address, which he generically describes as proxy.server.de:8080. I am also a bit leery of his use of port 8080 rather than the standard HTTP port of just plain 80. But that is what he insists on using.

Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com

From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 20:51:57 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:51:57 -0700
Subject: Rev POST command and Squid proxy servers?
In-Reply-To: <1BD27CE4-9BE2-44A1-800B-3EFC165F1E8D@embarqmail.com>
References: <1BD27CE4-9BE2-44A1-800B-3EFC165F1E8D@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA09A5BE-2721-419F-8C16-472D7005DA5E@yahoo.com>

Which version of Rev are you using?

I found that using POST on 4.5.3 IDE sends extra chars after the last  
variable, including a cr.

    =   Login Invalid

Roll back to 4.5.0 and it works again

I discovered this by using the PHP function  var_dump($_POST) to see  
all the received variables


On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Any known issues when using a Rev app behind a squid proxy server?  
> My Patent Grabber application uses a POST command which a user  
> informed me is not working. He is setting the httpProxy property to  
> his corporate proxy server address, which he generically describes  
> as proxy.server.de:8080. I am also a bit leery of his use of port  
> 8080 rather than the standard HTTP port of just plain 80. But that  
> is what he insists on using.
>
> Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Pokras
> Blazing Dawn Software
> www.blazingdawn.com_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  2 03:14:01 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:14:01 +1000
Subject: sockets & post to url
Message-ID: <FBD32DF3-E754-4AB7-906F-48BE08D203B3@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi

I have an app that accepts connections on a socket to sync to an iOS version. 

post to url works before and after:
accept connections on port lPort with message "newConnection" -- lPort is 8009 as default but user settable
until the connections start coming in from the server. To avoid socket timeouts while the user does some licensing stuff the phone repeatedly asks if it's ok to sync and the app either responds with an accept, reject or pending message. While these connections are coming in post to url does not return although it doesn't block the UI either so you can click the button that sends the post again and then it returns immediately with "error Previous request not completed" as result. The docs say url commands block each other but no mention of other socket connections blocking them too. 

When the connections stop coming in from the phone (no open sockets but still listening) then post works again but not if you have tried to post to a url while the connections are coming in in which case you still get the error in the result. resetAll (libURLresetAll) does nothing for me.

Is this a known bug?
Is there a workaround?

Cheers

Monte

From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  2 03:27:58 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:27:58 +1000
Subject: sockets & post to url
In-Reply-To: <FBD32DF3-E754-4AB7-906F-48BE08D203B3@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <FBD32DF3-E754-4AB7-906F-48BE08D203B3@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <40A4DF66-329E-45A9-9EE9-870669FDB361@sweattechnologies.com>

ah... scratch that, nothing to see here

On 02/09/2010, at 5:14 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have an app that accepts connections on a socket to sync to an iOS version. 
> 
> post to url works before and after:
> accept connections on port lPort with message "newConnection" -- lPort is 8009 as default but user settable
> until the connections start coming in from the server. To avoid socket timeouts while the user does some licensing stuff the phone repeatedly asks if it's ok to sync and the app either responds with an accept, reject or pending message. While these connections are coming in post to url does not return although it doesn't block the UI either so you can click the button that sends the post again and then it returns immediately with "error Previous request not completed" as result. The docs say url commands block each other but no mention of other socket connections blocking them too. 
> 
> When the connections stop coming in from the phone (no open sockets but still listening) then post works again but not if you have tried to post to a url while the connections are coming in in which case you still get the error in the result. resetAll (libURLresetAll) does nothing for me.
> 
> Is this a known bug?
> Is there a workaround?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 10:15:10 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:15:10 +0300
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
Message-ID: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>

At the risk of offending Klaus Major [ what me? surely not? ]
he posted this on the Metacard Use-List today:

"Hi all,

the current version of the MC IDE can be used with engines>= 4,
but is NOT able to build standalones with the new process REV
introduced with 4.0.

This means you can only build standalones with engines<=3.5.

I hope I can publish a new IDE in a couple of weeks or maybe
months, considering the surprising new bundle structure on OS X
introduced with 4.5 dp4 that I also will have to deal with :-/

This was and is a very bad year for me and I apologize for the very long delay.

[ The above is something we can all, I hope, sympathise with ]

Best

Klaus"
-----------------------------------------------
Sorry, Klaus, "nothing personal" . . . :) Well, except for the insertion in square brackets.

What got me was this:

"the surprising new bundle structure on OS X introduced with 4.5 dp4"

SO: built a Mac standalone of a blank stack both with RunRev 4.0 and with RunRev 4.5-dp-4
on my Linux box and "sent them down the wire" to my G4 MacMini . . .

cracked open both the standalones [remember these are based on completely blank stacks, so there may be
more differences with complicated stuff]:

4.0:  Contents / Info.plist
                  MacOS / Externals /
                          Noodles             [sorry, "Noodles" was the name of the stack]
                  PkgInfo
                  PlugIns / coreimage_support.bundle
                            jaguar_theme_support.bundle
                            panther_theme_support.bundle
                            tiger_theme_support.bundle
                  Resources / "all those folders with language-specific "bumf""
                              Noodles.rsrc

4.5:  Contents / Info.plist
                  MacOS / Externals /
                          Noodles
                  PkgInfo
                  Resources / "all those folders with language-specific "bumf""
                              Noodles.rsrc

i.e. the 4.5 build contains no PlugIns folder . . . Umm ????  Where has it gone? Why has it gone?  And how does
that constitute "surprising" when 'stupid' types like me don't even know what those dot-bundles are supposed
to do anyway? Could this negatively affect performance of Mac standalones in anyway? Are the capabilities built into
those dot-bundle 'things' in some way covered elsewhere, perhaps in what is contained in the MacOS folder?

What was "even more fun" was that neither of the Mac OS X standalones built on Linux worked on
Mac OS 10.4.11 - which makes little sense indeed as the Macintosh version of RunRev 4.0 runs
on Mac OS 10.3.9.

[ Isn't it rather fascinating, that on investigating one thing I fall over something else? - the story
   of my life, really ]

Just to make sure "it wasn't me" I sent my original "Noodles.rev" stack down the wire to the Mac and made a Mac Universal
build with RunRev 4.0 over there: it worked.

Err . . . started with 1 question and ended up with 2 . . . I only wish Ludwig Wittgenstein were right
here to hold my hand at this moment.

sincerely, Richmond.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep  2 10:45:10 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:45:10 -0300
Subject: sockets & post to url
In-Reply-To: <40A4DF66-329E-45A9-9EE9-870669FDB361@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <FBD32DF3-E754-4AB7-906F-48BE08D203B3@sweattechnologies.com>
	<40A4DF66-329E-45A9-9EE9-870669FDB361@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimvy1u0t7oUSgzRj+P_gjq1NWBdAM--xrViG2o1@mail.gmail.com>

Monte,

can you detail how you solved this for future mail list search abilities!

:D

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

> ah... scratch that, nothing to see here
>
> On 02/09/2010, at 5:14 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have an app that accepts connections on a socket to sync to an iOS
> version.
> >
> > post to url works before and after:
> > accept connections on port lPort with message "newConnection" -- lPort is
> 8009 as default but user settable
> > until the connections start coming in from the server. To avoid socket
> timeouts while the user does some licensing stuff the phone repeatedly asks
> if it's ok to sync and the app either responds with an accept, reject or
> pending message. While these connections are coming in post to url does not
> return although it doesn't block the UI either so you can click the button
> that sends the post again and then it returns immediately with "error
> Previous request not completed" as result. The docs say url commands block
> each other but no mention of other socket connections blocking them too.
> >
> > When the connections stop coming in from the phone (no open sockets but
> still listening) then post works again but not if you have tried to post to
> a url while the connections are coming in in which case you still get the
> error in the result. resetAll (libURLresetAll) does nothing for me.
> >
> > Is this a known bug?
> > Is there a workaround?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte_______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Sep  2 11:21:42 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:21:42 +0200
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>
References: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B04F901-9291-47AA-830C-7E2680B32131@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

> At the risk of offending Klaus Major [ what me? surely not? ]

oh well...

> ...
> What got me was this:
> "the surprising new bundle structure on OS X introduced with 4.5 dp4"

I only meant that Rev on OS X now will come as ONE app bundle with everything in it
and not with easily accessible folders like earlier versions.

So I am not sure what the meaning of your post is?


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 11:35:36 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:35:36 +0300
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <1B04F901-9291-47AA-830C-7E2680B32131@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>
	<1B04F901-9291-47AA-830C-7E2680B32131@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4C7FC448.20806@gmail.com>

On 09/02/2010 06:21 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>    
>> At the risk of offending Klaus Major [ what me? surely not? ]
>>      
> oh well...
>
>    
>> ...
>> What got me was this:
>> "the surprising new bundle structure on OS X introduced with 4.5 dp4"
>>      
> I only meant that Rev on OS X now will come as ONE app bundle with everything in it
> and not with easily accessible folders like earlier versions.
>
>    

Hey; us "thickos" need to have these things explained explicitly.

> So I am not sure what the meaning of your post is?
>    

oh well . . .

The meaning of my post was meant to be [*] that, having looked at the 
inner structure of
Mac standalones built using 4.0 and 4.5 the difference seemed 'only' to 
be in the lack of
a PlugIns folder in the latter, and I was wondering why.

* HOWEVER; I got ever-so-slightly side-tracked when I found that a Mac 
Universal
standalone constructed with RunRev Studio 4.0 (linux) would not run on a 
Mac.

Thinking about things now, the "side-track" seems more significant than 
the original idea.
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Sep  2 12:53:29 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:53:29 +0100
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com>

On 02/09/2010 15:15, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> i.e. the 4.5 build contains no PlugIns folder . . . Umm ????  Where has it
> gone? Why has it gone?

I refer you to the release notes that came with the build.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 15:10:15 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 22:10:15 +0300
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C7FF697.3080300@gmail.com>

On 09/02/2010 07:53 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 02/09/2010 15:15, "Richmond"<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> i.e. the 4.5 build contains no PlugIns folder . . . Umm ????  Where has it
>> gone? Why has it gone?
>>      
> I refer you to the release notes that came with the build.
>    

In my RunRev 4.0 folder I found, among other things:

Read_Me_First.txt

Engine Change Log.txt

IDE Change Log.txt

But I could find none of those in the RunRev 4.5-dp-4 folder.  These 
files would
have been my "first port of call".

While I am here; please take note of my 'other', accidental finding 
referenced in my original posting under
this title.

> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep  2 15:21:28 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:21:28 -0400
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <4C7FF697.3080300@gmail.com>
References: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com> <4C7FF697.3080300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F796D080-53FD-4AB5-BBF5-280E495D4E00@verizon.net>


On Sep 2, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Richmond wrote:

> But I could find none of those in the RunRev 4.5-dp-4 folder.  These files would
> have been my "first port of call".


In passing, how did you get that build? When I do a check for updates in 4.5 dp-3, I get a server connection error.





From jiml at netrin.com  Thu Sep  2 15:39:02 2010
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:39:02 -0700
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <20100902170005.C14162883B0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100902170005.C14162883B0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0ADA6C3B-30A3-430D-86B4-2997D04F13A7@netrin.com>

Hi,

Anyone else having trouble logging onto revOnline?

Jim Lambert


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Sep  2 17:02:50 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:02:50 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 84, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <20100902170005.C14162883B0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100902170005.C14162883B0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <53EB391E-4FA3-4889-AC45-3E05B6FAAA81@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks, that works perfectly!

Pete Haworth


On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> No no, ;)
>
> I forgot to precise that you have to create the image first
>
> A script like this should works to drag a field:
>
> on dragStart
>   if (there is not a image "DragField" of this cd) then
>      lock screen
>      create image "DragField"
>      set the visible of it to false
>      unlock screen
>   end if
>
>   export snapshot from field 1 to image "DragField" as PNG
>
>   set the dragImage to the ID of image "DragField"
>   put (the clickH - the left of me) & comma & (the clickV - the top
> of me) into tImageOffset
>   set the dragImageOffset to tImageOffset
>
>   set the dragData["private"] to text of field 1
> end dragStart
>
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Sep  2 17:03:53 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <0ADA6C3B-30A3-430D-86B4-2997D04F13A7@netrin.com>
References: <0ADA6C3B-30A3-430D-86B4-2997D04F13A7@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <1283461433637-2524770.post@n4.nabble.com>


it did not work today but just started to work again from the IDE.


Jim Lambert wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone else having trouble logging onto revOnline?
> 
> Jim Lambert
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep  2 17:14:57 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:14:57 -0400
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <1283461433637-2524770.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <0ADA6C3B-30A3-430D-86B4-2997D04F13A7@netrin.com>
	<1283461433637-2524770.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F04DCB7F-CC50-4F59-9654-C728A1BBA9C7@verizon.net>


On Sep 2, 2010, at 5:03 PM, BNig wrote:

> 
> it did not work today but just started to work again from the IDE.


Check for Updates works again now too.





From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  2 18:03:55 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:03:55 +1000
Subject: sockets & post to url
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimvy1u0t7oUSgzRj+P_gjq1NWBdAM--xrViG2o1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FBD32DF3-E754-4AB7-906F-48BE08D203B3@sweattechnologies.com>
	<40A4DF66-329E-45A9-9EE9-870669FDB361@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimvy1u0t7oUSgzRj+P_gjq1NWBdAM--xrViG2o1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAD79F18-98E6-4785-9F95-2C52336C07E3@sweattechnologies.com>

LOL, just a bug in my code mate. Was closing line 1 of the opensockets which was fine when the licensing stuff was happening in a separate process but not when I put it back in the main app ;-)

On 03/09/2010, at 12:45 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Monte,
> 
> can you detail how you solved this for future mail list search abilities!
> 
> :D
> 
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>> ah... scratch that, nothing to see here
>> 
>> On 02/09/2010, at 5:14 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I have an app that accepts connections on a socket to sync to an iOS
>> version.
>>> 
>>> post to url works before and after:
>>> accept connections on port lPort with message "newConnection" -- lPort is
>> 8009 as default but user settable
>>> until the connections start coming in from the server. To avoid socket
>> timeouts while the user does some licensing stuff the phone repeatedly asks
>> if it's ok to sync and the app either responds with an accept, reject or
>> pending message. While these connections are coming in post to url does not
>> return although it doesn't block the UI either so you can click the button
>> that sends the post again and then it returns immediately with "error
>> Previous request not completed" as result. The docs say url commands block
>> each other but no mention of other socket connections blocking them too.
>>> 
>>> When the connections stop coming in from the phone (no open sockets but
>> still listening) then post works again but not if you have tried to post to
>> a url while the connections are coming in in which case you still get the
>> error in the result. resetAll (libURLresetAll) does nothing for me.
>>> 
>>> Is this a known bug?
>>> Is there a workaround?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Monte_______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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> 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep  2 18:21:06 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:21:06 -0300
Subject: sockets & post to url
In-Reply-To: <AAD79F18-98E6-4785-9F95-2C52336C07E3@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <FBD32DF3-E754-4AB7-906F-48BE08D203B3@sweattechnologies.com>
	<40A4DF66-329E-45A9-9EE9-870669FDB361@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimvy1u0t7oUSgzRj+P_gjq1NWBdAM--xrViG2o1@mail.gmail.com>
	<AAD79F18-98E6-4785-9F95-2C52336C07E3@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=eKjNTVPKpkkjQ=F9CTL7EjzfH4djRnLY32juh@mail.gmail.com>

Once I built a web server in Rev... for a while, I tried testing it by
building a client also in Rev. Now, when everything is running at the same
time inside Rev IDE, things can get messy...



On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

> LOL, just a bug in my code mate. Was closing line 1 of the opensockets
> which was fine when the licensing stuff was happening in a separate process
> but not when I put it back in the main app ;-)
>
> On 03/09/2010, at 12:45 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Monte,
> >
> > can you detail how you solved this for future mail list search abilities!
> >
> > :D
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Monte Goulding
> > <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> >
> >> ah... scratch that, nothing to see here
> >>
> >> On 02/09/2010, at 5:14 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> I have an app that accepts connections on a socket to sync to an iOS
> >> version.
> >>>
> >>> post to url works before and after:
> >>> accept connections on port lPort with message "newConnection" -- lPort
> is
> >> 8009 as default but user settable
> >>> until the connections start coming in from the server. To avoid socket
> >> timeouts while the user does some licensing stuff the phone repeatedly
> asks
> >> if it's ok to sync and the app either responds with an accept, reject or
> >> pending message. While these connections are coming in post to url does
> not
> >> return although it doesn't block the UI either so you can click the
> button
> >> that sends the post again and then it returns immediately with "error
> >> Previous request not completed" as result. The docs say url commands
> block
> >> each other but no mention of other socket connections blocking them too.
> >>>
> >>> When the connections stop coming in from the phone (no open sockets but
> >> still listening) then post works again but not if you have tried to post
> to
> >> a url while the connections are coming in in which case you still get
> the
> >> error in the result. resetAll (libURLresetAll) does nothing for me.
> >>>
> >>> Is this a known bug?
> >>> Is there a workaround?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Monte_______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  2 18:52:23 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:52:23 -0500
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C802AA7.4070903@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/2/10 11:53 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 02/09/2010 15:15, "Richmond"<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> i.e. the 4.5 build contains no PlugIns folder . . . Umm ????  Where has it
>> gone? Why has it gone?
>
> I refer you to the release notes that came with the build.

And in turn, I refer you to the improve list, since 4.5 is not released 
yet and is still in beta.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  2 18:54:18 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:54:18 -0500
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <F796D080-53FD-4AB5-BBF5-280E495D4E00@verizon.net>
References: <C8A59519.13A5B%kevin@runrev.com> <4C7FF697.3080300@gmail.com>
	<F796D080-53FD-4AB5-BBF5-280E495D4E00@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C802B1A.9050703@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/2/10 2:21 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>
> In passing, how did you get that build? When I do a check for updates in 4.5 dp-3, I get a server connection error.

A direct link was posted to the improve list on 8/28/10.

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  2 18:56:54 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:56:54 -0500
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <4C7FC448.20806@gmail.com>
References: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>	<1B04F901-9291-47AA-830C-7E2680B32131@major.on-rev.com>
	<4C7FC448.20806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C802BB6.40807@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/2/10 10:35 AM, Richmond wrote:

> * HOWEVER; I got ever-so-slightly side-tracked when I found that a Mac
> Universal
> standalone constructed with RunRev Studio 4.0 (linux) would not run on a
> Mac.

There was a discussion about this a while back. The same thing also 
occurs when building for Mac on Windows machines. Basically, you need to 
set the executable bit, which you can only do on a Mac if I remember 
right. Your build will run once you do that.

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From ma at snowcamp.org  Thu Sep  2 20:12:14 2010
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:12:14 -0400
Subject: Rev & SQL question
Message-ID: <A0E65BDE-749A-49CC-B68C-017DDA076B4F@snowcamp.org>

I am finally back at Rev again, with a small project up front and eventually a much bigger project (I hope).  It seems each time I start with a rev project I find a new area to explore and get stopped cold ... its such a nice platform, just have to get back in the swing again.

This time I've decided I need to use a database (really as a prep for the bigger project) but have run up against a problem I spent too much time on.

I have mySQL running and have defined a database & couple of tables with a set of fields.  One table will have a list of defined Names that will be in a drop-down-menu

What I have been trying to do, once opening the database is something like the following:

   revExecuteSQL dbID,"SELECT Name FROM myTable INTO ARRAY :1","eventList"

Where I'd like to fetch all the Names into an array named eventList.  Apparently, I am not doing this correctly.  The function seems to work, but eventList stays undefined (or if I have initialized it, to its initialized value).

My apologies for the long story and short problem.  

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Mike.

From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  2 20:30:06 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:30:06 +1000
Subject: Rev & SQL question
In-Reply-To: <A0E65BDE-749A-49CC-B68C-017DDA076B4F@snowcamp.org>
References: <A0E65BDE-749A-49CC-B68C-017DDA076B4F@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <30A5F84F-6423-4618-A9DD-2B90B45DBB23@sweattechnologies.com>

> 
>   revExecuteSQL dbID,"SELECT Name FROM myTable INTO ARRAY :1","eventList"
> 

Hi Mike

You can't do it that way. The array syntax for revExecuteSQL is for SQL statements like INSERT where :1 is replaced by the value if eventList[1]. I have a blog post that includes some simple generic db functions and commands to get you started:
http://goulding.ws/2010/08/27/180/

Cheers

Monte

From ma at snowcamp.org  Thu Sep  2 21:26:04 2010
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:26:04 -0400
Subject: Rev & SQL question
In-Reply-To: <30A5F84F-6423-4618-A9DD-2B90B45DBB23@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <A0E65BDE-749A-49CC-B68C-017DDA076B4F@snowcamp.org>
	<30A5F84F-6423-4618-A9DD-2B90B45DBB23@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <F60E9551-BD2D-415E-A562-B05FCB43BEAA@snowcamp.org>

Monte,

Perfect!  Worked like a charm.

thank you,
Mike.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 02:24:55 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 09:24:55 +0300
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <4C802BB6.40807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C7FB16E.8080202@gmail.com>	<1B04F901-9291-47AA-830C-7E2680B32131@major.on-rev.com>	<4C7FC448.20806@gmail.com>
	<4C802BB6.40807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C8094B7.8070202@gmail.com>

On 09/03/2010 01:56 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 9/2/10 10:35 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> * HOWEVER; I got ever-so-slightly side-tracked when I found that a Mac
>> Universal
>> standalone constructed with RunRev Studio 4.0 (linux) would not run on a
>> Mac.
>
> There was a discussion about this a while back. The same thing also 
> occurs when building for Mac on Windows machines. Basically, you need 
> to set the executable bit, which you can only do on a Mac if I 
> remember right. Your build will run once you do that.
>

So, if I read you correctly, anybody who wants to spin off a Mac 
standalone has to have access to
a Mac machine to:

1. Set the executable bit?  [ Pass me the Alka-Seltzer; how does one do 
that? ]

       "which you can only do on a Mac if I remember right"  not good.

2. Build Mac standalones?

We've been Steved, perhaps?

That is rather bad news as not everybody has the sort of wherewithall 
that they can have a Mac sitting
ready for this.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  3 04:22:17 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 01:22:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <4C8094B7.8070202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835530.26814.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/03/2010 01:56 AM, J. Landman
> Gay wrote:
> > On 9/2/10 10:35 AM, Richmond wrote:
> > 
> >> * HOWEVER; I got ever-so-slightly side-tracked
> when I found that a Mac
> >> Universal
> >> standalone constructed with RunRev Studio 4.0
> (linux) would not run on a
> >> Mac.
> > 
> > There was a discussion about this a while back. The
> same thing also occurs when building for Mac on Windows
> machines. Basically, you need to set the executable bit,
> which you can only do on a Mac if I remember right. Your
> build will run once you do that.
> > 
> 
> So, if I read you correctly, anybody who wants to spin off
> a Mac standalone has to have access to
> a Mac machine to:
> 
> 1. Set the executable bit?? [ Pass me the
> Alka-Seltzer; how does one do that? ]
> 
> ? ? ? "which you can only do on a Mac if I
> remember right"? not good.
> 
> 2. Build Mac standalones?
> 
> We've been Steved, perhaps?
> 
> That is rather bad news as not everybody has the sort of
> wherewithall that they can have a Mac sitting
> ready for this.
> 

In my experience, if you zip it up on Windows before you move it to the Mac, the Finder will add the missing executable flag as it unpacks the archive.
And if I copy it from my Win2K machine to a shared folder on my iMac (shared via Windows Sharing - aka SMB), the .app is also executable.
Perhaps what perople are experiencing is that if you copy it via a USB stick, unzipped, the Finder doesn't do this?

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 06:56:50 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:56:50 +0300
Subject: Bundle Shmundle: more "Bad Boy" mouthings.
In-Reply-To: <835530.26814.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <835530.26814.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C80D472.1080508@gmail.com>

On 09/03/2010 11:22 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> On 09/03/2010 01:56 AM, J. Landman
>> Gay wrote:
>>      
>>> On 9/2/10 10:35 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> * HOWEVER; I got ever-so-slightly side-tracked
>>>>          
>> when I found that a Mac
>>      
>>>> Universal
>>>> standalone constructed with RunRev Studio 4.0
>>>>          
>> (linux) would not run on a
>>      
>>>> Mac.
>>>>          
>>> There was a discussion about this a while back. The
>>>        
>> same thing also occurs when building for Mac on Windows
>> machines. Basically, you need to set the executable bit,
>> which you can only do on a Mac if I remember right. Your
>> build will run once you do that.
>>      
>>>        
>> So, if I read you correctly, anybody who wants to spin off
>> a Mac standalone has to have access to
>> a Mac machine to:
>>
>> 1. Set the executable bit?  [ Pass me the
>> Alka-Seltzer; how does one do that? ]
>>
>>        "which you can only do on a Mac if I
>> remember right"  not good.
>>
>> 2. Build Mac standalones?
>>
>> We've been Steved, perhaps?
>>
>> That is rather bad news as not everybody has the sort of
>> wherewithall that they can have a Mac sitting
>> ready for this.
>>
>>      
> In my experience, if you zip it up on Windows before you move it to the Mac, the Finder will add the missing executable flag as it unpacks the archive.
> And if I copy it from my Win2K machine to a shared folder on my iMac (shared via Windows Sharing - aka SMB), the .app is also executable.
> Perhaps what perople are experiencing is that if you copy it via a USB stick, unzipped, the Finder doesn't do this?
>
>    

That ( about putting a Mac standalone into a zip file before 
transferring it to a Mac ) is extremely valuable information.

> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports&  PDF Library for Revolution
> www.quartam.com
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
>
>
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Fri Sep  3 11:33:40 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rev & SQL question
In-Reply-To: <F60E9551-BD2D-415E-A562-B05FCB43BEAA@snowcamp.org>
References: <A0E65BDE-749A-49CC-B68C-017DDA076B4F@snowcamp.org>
	<30A5F84F-6423-4618-A9DD-2B90B45DBB23@sweattechnologies.com>
	<F60E9551-BD2D-415E-A562-B05FCB43BEAA@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <1283528020230-2525847.post@n4.nabble.com>


All the apps that I currently write or maintain are frontends for databases. 

SQLYoga from Trevor DeVore (creator of the DataGrid control) has been
extermely invaluable to saving me time and thought when handling mySQL. It
also supports SQLLite and I think SQL Server.

It comes with a trial to test the waters.
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/

I most highly recommend it!
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Fri Sep  3 11:41:42 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] VirtualAssistant
Message-ID: <1283528502156-2525855.post@n4.nabble.com>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W52TL9Akv4

I have been watching this software kit develop for around five years and
have drooled over it from the very beginning. It is due out next month
sometime! I hope it is within my budget to snag a license! For further wows,
visit: http://www.guile3d.com.br/denise/features.html


It is coming with an SDK. I wonder if it will possible to integrate her
somehow into rev? Oh the possibilities.
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep  3 11:50:18 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:50:18 -0300
Subject: Rev & SQL question
In-Reply-To: <1283528020230-2525847.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <A0E65BDE-749A-49CC-B68C-017DDA076B4F@snowcamp.org>
	<30A5F84F-6423-4618-A9DD-2B90B45DBB23@sweattechnologies.com>
	<F60E9551-BD2D-415E-A562-B05FCB43BEAA@snowcamp.org>
	<1283528020230-2525847.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ge0TbMVQ-dJb9gW31jSw2yv5ErJsQGs=_82nj@mail.gmail.com>

Me too!

SQL Yoga rocks! Also if you're doing web with RevServer, then RevIgniter
active record implementation is the best thing ever. Everytime I throw
something like:

  rigDbWhere "email", myEmail
  put rigDbGet("members") into tRecord
  put rigDbRow(1) into tContactA

I almost cry tears of joy. I remember my first rev CGIs where we could not
get RevDB to work and we had to build our own database query shell scripts
using combinations of shell() and bash programming to query mysqladmin...
believe me, both SQL Yoga and RevIgniter DB library are wonderful.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:

>
> All the apps that I currently write or maintain are frontends for
> databases.
>
> SQLYoga from Trevor DeVore (creator of the DataGrid control) has been
> extermely invaluable to saving me time and thought when handling mySQL. It
> also supports SQLLite and I think SQL Server.
>
> It comes with a trial to test the waters.
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/
>
> I most highly recommend it!
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From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Fri Sep  3 13:44:13 2010
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (randolph valentine)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:44:13 -0500
Subject: updater failing
Message-ID: <001701cb4b8f$9f72f9b0$de58ed10$@wisc.edu>

I keep getting an error when I try to update Rev via the in-app updater, a
message "failed to download." I'm running Windows 7 in Boot Camp on an iMac.

 

I also get this error posted in the navigation stack that starts with Rev:

 

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">

<html><head>

<title>500 Internal Server Error</title>

</head><body>

<h1>Internal Server Error</h1>

<p>The server encountered an internal error or

misconfiguration and was unable to complete

your request.</p>

<p>Please contact the server administrator,

webmaster at developer.runrev.com and inform them of the time the error
occurred,

and anything you might have done that may have

caused the error.</p>

<p>More information about this error may be available

in the server error log.</p>

<p>Additionally, a 404 Not Found

error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the
request.</p>

<hr>

<address>Apache/2.2.16 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5
mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635
mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at developer.runrev.com Port 80</address>

</body></html>

 

Thanks for any ideas as to what the problem is.

 

rand valentine



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 13:48:10 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:48:10 +0300
Subject: updater failing
In-Reply-To: <001701cb4b8f$9f72f9b0$de58ed10$@wisc.edu>
References: <001701cb4b8f$9f72f9b0$de58ed10$@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <4C8134DA.8080909@gmail.com>

On 09/03/2010 08:44 PM, randolph valentine wrote:
> I keep getting an error when I try to update Rev via the in-app updater, a
> message "failed to download." I'm running Windows 7 in Boot Camp on an iMac.
>
>    

Possibly this could have somethibg to do with the fact that there aren't 
any upgrades yet.

>
>
> I also get this error posted in the navigation stack that starts with Rev:
>
>
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
>
> <html><head>
>
> <title>500 Internal Server Error</title>
>
> </head><body>
>
> <h1>Internal Server Error</h1>
>
> <p>The server encountered an internal error or
>
> misconfiguration and was unable to complete
>
> your request.</p>
>
> <p>Please contact the server administrator,
>
> webmaster at developer.runrev.com and inform them of the time the error
> occurred,
>
> and anything you might have done that may have
>
> caused the error.</p>
>
> <p>More information about this error may be available
>
> in the server error log.</p>
>
> <p>Additionally, a 404 Not Found
>
> error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the
> request.</p>
>
> <hr>
>
> <address>Apache/2.2.16 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5
> mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635
> mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at developer.runrev.com Port 80</address>
>
> </body></html>
>
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas as to what the problem is.
>
>
>
> rand valentine
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 13:48:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:48:57 +0300
Subject: updater failing
In-Reply-To: <001701cb4b8f$9f72f9b0$de58ed10$@wisc.edu>
References: <001701cb4b8f$9f72f9b0$de58ed10$@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <4C813509.8030006@gmail.com>

On 09/03/2010 08:44 PM, randolph valentine wrote:
> I keep getting an error when I try to update Rev via the in-app updater, a
> message "failed to download." I'm running Windows 7 in Boot Camp on an iMac.
>
>
>    

Yup; must be "somethibg" . . .  :)

> I also get this error posted in the navigation stack that starts with Rev:
>
>
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
>
> <html><head>
>
> <title>500 Internal Server Error</title>
>
> </head><body>
>
> <h1>Internal Server Error</h1>
>
> <p>The server encountered an internal error or
>
> misconfiguration and was unable to complete
>
> your request.</p>
>
> <p>Please contact the server administrator,
>
> webmaster at developer.runrev.com and inform them of the time the error
> occurred,
>
> and anything you might have done that may have
>
> caused the error.</p>
>
> <p>More information about this error may be available
>
> in the server error log.</p>
>
> <p>Additionally, a 404 Not Found
>
> error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the
> request.</p>
>
> <hr>
>
> <address>Apache/2.2.16 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5
> mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635
> mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at developer.runrev.com Port 80</address>
>
> </body></html>
>
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas as to what the problem is.
>
>
>
> rand valentine
>
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 14:18:38 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:18:38 -0500
Subject: Multi-platform PDF launch?
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-QhHJzzSnADk-HOyPOWpQcy++TZuM7vYuQOai@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks,
I know that on windows I can do something like this for a chm help file:

launch "MyhelpFile.chm" with hh.exe

However, I'm trying to figure out a cross-platform solution for
launching a PDF file instead, using the users default reader program.
Any tips out there for me?


Best regards,
David C.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Sep  3 14:22:39 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:22:39 +0200
Subject: Multi-platform PDF launch?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-QhHJzzSnADk-HOyPOWpQcy++TZuM7vYuQOai@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim-QhHJzzSnADk-HOyPOWpQcy++TZuM7vYuQOai@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E938E966-5617-4FD3-A313-08DA354D3D38@major.on-rev.com>

Hi David,

> Hello folks,
> I know that on windows I can do something like this for a chm help file:
> 
> launch "MyhelpFile.chm" with hh.exe
> 
> However, I'm trying to figure out a cross-platform solution for
> launching a PDF file instead, using the users default reader program.
> Any tips out there for me?

launch document "path/to your/PDFdoc.pdf"

Should do the job :-)

> Best regards,
> David C.

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 14:27:01 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: Multi-platform PDF launch?
In-Reply-To: <E938E966-5617-4FD3-A313-08DA354D3D38@major.on-rev.com>
References: <AANLkTim-QhHJzzSnADk-HOyPOWpQcy++TZuM7vYuQOai@mail.gmail.com>
	<E938E966-5617-4FD3-A313-08DA354D3D38@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmsHmMvxMhKWUrF9fUAFobBvXoPbxS1JiTV_NT@mail.gmail.com>

>> launch "MyhelpFile.chm" with hh.exe
>>
>> However, I'm trying to figure out a cross-platform solution for
>> launching a PDF file instead, using the users default reader program.
>> Any tips out there for me?
>
> launch document "path/to your/PDFdoc.pdf"
>
> Should do the job :-)
>

 No wonder I haven't already got it to work yet.... it's way too simple. :)

Thank you very much, Klaus!

Best regards,
David C.


From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Sep  3 14:31:33 2010
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:31:33 -0700
Subject: revOnline
In-Reply-To: <20100903170004.BC090288095@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100903170004.BC090288095@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8FE2D8D9-4BC5-4A68-B593-D45232A394D4@netrin.com>

Thanks BNig & Colin for that confirmation.
Glad it's back up!

Jim Lambert


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep  3 15:32:17 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:32:17 -0300
Subject: how custom editors trap edit script command?
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=U=mz6K-aB2ht83D5weS1xNc2d7o=XO1p2h4y@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I am aware of the "editscript" message that is sent to the card when a
script is about to be edited. This only works if the development environment
is not active. How editors such as GLX, tRev, 4W Editor and MetaCard own
editor work?

I suspect that they put  a frontscript and trap something. Can someone
describe it to me plz?

Cheers and thanks
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep  3 15:45:21 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:45:21 +0200
Subject: how custom editors trap edit script command?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=U=mz6K-aB2ht83D5weS1xNc2d7o=XO1p2h4y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=U=mz6K-aB2ht83D5weS1xNc2d7o=XO1p2h4y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D47BFEA4-D9F8-432E-9F40-89DB4EC795C9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Andre,

Catch the editScript message in a frontscript.

--
Best regards,

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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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On 3 sep 2010, at 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I am aware of the "editscript" message that is sent to the card when a
> script is about to be edited. This only works if the development environment
> is not active. How editors such as GLX, tRev, 4W Editor and MetaCard own
> editor work?
> 
> I suspect that they put  a frontscript and trap something. Can someone
> describe it to me plz?
> 
> Cheers and thanks
> andre



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep  3 15:55:42 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:55:42 -0300
Subject: how custom editors trap edit script command?
In-Reply-To: <D47BFEA4-D9F8-432E-9F40-89DB4EC795C9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTik=U=mz6K-aB2ht83D5weS1xNc2d7o=XO1p2h4y@mail.gmail.com>
	<D47BFEA4-D9F8-432E-9F40-89DB4EC795C9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiki_EpS5ebY8gb5ZtuaOUNVfEegQ-CpMVdi46BX@mail.gmail.com>

Oh is it that easy...

:D

thanks mark!

:D

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Andre,
>
> Catch the editScript message in a frontscript.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line
> and contact me now!
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
> http://qurl.tk/ce
>
> On 3 sep 2010, at 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > I am aware of the "editscript" message that is sent to the card when a
> > script is about to be edited. This only works if the development
> environment
> > is not active. How editors such as GLX, tRev, 4W Editor and MetaCard own
> > editor work?
> >
> > I suspect that they put  a frontscript and trap something. Can someone
> > describe it to me plz?
> >
> > Cheers and thanks
> > andre
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 16:10:09 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:10:09 +0300
Subject: Observations on Unicode, RunRev and Operating Systems
Message-ID: <4C815621.9070503@gmail.com>

[This message is neither funny nor abusive - sorry to disappoint some 
people.]

Over the last few days something faintly ugly has come to light
that probably won't concern many RunRev developers, but might
affect anybody planning to develop multi-platform stuff with Unicode.

If one opens a Unicode font with a font development program what the
user sees are lots and lots of glyphs; what most people don't see are 
all sorts of
rules as to how they should behave when the end-user types something 
using that
font, possibly also using a text-encoding algorithm built into their 
operating system.

Why should we care?

Because, while Windows Vista and '7', and Linux works wonderfully with 
Unicode
fonts giving those rules cognisance, Mac OS and Windows XP don't . . .

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case study "Richmond thinks he knows Sanskrit".

When Sanskrit is written using the Devanagari writing system (it can be 
written
using other scripts) there is a "funny situation" where a short 'i' that 
is sounded
after a consonant is actually written prior to the consonant.

So, I learnt to write Sanskrit using Devanagari about 27 years ago with 
a calligraphic pen,
when I had not even heard of the second ASCII table, and my programming 
stretched as far
as DBAS9 on a Research Machine 280Z, and Fortran 4 on Hollerith cards 
popped in the
post.

So, obviously, I wrote my short 'i' prior to the consonant after which 
it was to be sounded
[wow, that stretched my grammar].

So, incredibly naively, I assumed that that is the order a computer 
program [erm . . . my 'Devawriter']
would enter the short 'i' and then whatever consonant: and, 'wonder of 
wonders', that worked a treat on
several of my Macs, and on a Windows XP test drive.

So, when I got my paws on the new DP of RunRev 4.5 I thought that it was 
playing "silly bu**ers"
by requiring me to input the short 'i' AFTER the consonant, but, in 
fact, this is exactly how the
rules are set up in the font.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SO:

Macintosh and Windows XP do not "play fair" with most Unicode fonts.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This means that types like myself, getting far too clever for their own 
good or sanity, have
to set up 2 rather different sets of algorithms for "eccentric" writing 
rules if they want to
produce standalones that fool around with Unicode fonts cross-platform.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I should point out that this is a problem concerning the underlying 
operating systems
and nothing at all to do with RunTime Revolution beyond the fact that it 
is unable
(unsurprisingly) to over-ride certain aspects of how an operating system 
behaves.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep  3 16:27:53 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:27:53 -0700
Subject: Observations on Unicode, RunRev and Operating Systems
In-Reply-To: <4C815621.9070503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8A6A859.4C503%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richmond wrote:

> If one opens a Unicode font with a font development program what the
> user sees are lots and lots of glyphs; what most people don't see are
> all sorts of
> rules as to how they should behave when the end-user types something
> using that
> font, possibly also using a text-encoding algorithm built into their
> operating system.
> 
> Why should we care?
> 
> Because, while Windows Vista and '7', and Linux works wonderfully with
> Unicode
> fonts giving those rules cognisance, Mac OS and Windows XP don't . . .

What do you mean "all sorts of rules as to how they should behave"?  Kerning
pairs?  Ligatures?  Multi-key characters?  Something else?

If you're really talking about Mac OS (pre OS X), I wouldn't be surprised.
AFAIK, Unicode was only in its infancy when Mac OS was around, and general
adoption probably took a while.  By then, OS X was coming on the scene, so
presumably most/all development efforts were shifted to that OS.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Sep  3 16:54:28 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:54:28 -0700
Subject: [OT] VirtualAssistant
In-Reply-To: <1283528502156-2525855.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1283528502156-2525855.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <EF176031-4DA7-4EA3-B3D4-43CCA199C8EE@twft.com>

When he asked her, "Show me Uranus", it dawned on me she might misunderstand, and then refuse to respond to him for a while. ;-)

Bob


On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W52TL9Akv4
> 
> I have been watching this software kit develop for around five years and
> have drooled over it from the very beginning. It is due out next month
> sometime! I hope it is within my budget to snag a license! For further wows,
> visit: http://www.guile3d.com.br/denise/features.html
> 
> 
> It is coming with an SDK. I wonder if it will possible to integrate her
> somehow into rev? Oh the possibilities.
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-VirtualAssistant-tp2525855p2525855.html
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 17:42:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:42:28 +0300
Subject: Observations on Unicode, RunRev and Operating Systems
In-Reply-To: <C8A6A859.4C503%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8A6A859.4C503%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4C816BC4.8030201@gmail.com>

  On 9/3/10 11:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Richmond wrote:
>
>> If one opens a Unicode font with a font development program what the
>> user sees are lots and lots of glyphs; what most people don't see are
>> all sorts of
>> rules as to how they should behave when the end-user types something
>> using that
>> font, possibly also using a text-encoding algorithm built into their
>> operating system.
>>
>> Why should we care?
>>
>> Because, while Windows Vista and '7', and Linux works wonderfully with
>> Unicode
>> fonts giving those rules cognisance, Mac OS and Windows XP don't . . .
> What do you mean "all sorts of rules as to how they should behave"?  Kerning
> pairs?  Ligatures?  Multi-key characters?  Something else?
>
> If you're really talking about Mac OS (pre OS X), I wouldn't be surprised.

I am talking about Mac OS X . . .

To illustrate the point you can download a stack which illustrates the 
point rather
nicely:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Daft_Unicode.zip

the ZIP file contains the Sanskrit2003 font (which you should install on 
your system, at least temporarily)
and a stack which uses the font to illustrate the point.

I you have access to a number of machines running a selections of 
operating systems you
will see the 'problem' in all its glory.

> AFAIK, Unicode was only in its infancy when Mac OS was around, and general
> adoption probably took a while.  By then, OS X was coming on the scene, so
> presumably most/all development efforts were shifted to that OS.

Well, somebody forgot a thing or two about Unicode with Mac OS X, and 
the Apple people
probably need a "prod" about that.

> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 17:50:57 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:50:57 +0300
Subject: [OT] VirtualAssistant
In-Reply-To: <EF176031-4DA7-4EA3-B3D4-43CCA199C8EE@twft.com>
References: <1283528502156-2525855.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<EF176031-4DA7-4EA3-B3D4-43CCA199C8EE@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4C816DC1.9000006@gmail.com>

On 09/03/2010 11:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> When he asked her, "Show me Uranus", it dawned on me she might misunderstand, and then refuse to respond to him for a while. ;-)
>
> Bob
>
>
>    

To be fair to Andrew Kluthe, who wrote

"I wonder if it will possible to integrate her somehow into rev? Oh the 
possibilities."

We should take into account that English is not his native language, and 
quite possibly
in his language an SDK takes the feminine gender.

The joke about Herschel's planet is, also, beyond most people for whom 
English is not
a native language owing to 2 reasons:

1. The Uranus pun.

2. Most non-English speakers find the English-speaking world's obsession 
with "Botty humour"
     both hard to understand and distinctly unfunny.

As I am in a relationship with RunRev 4.0 right now I find myself often 
referring
to 'it' as 'she' . . .  :)  And, quite frankly, although RunRev does 
have the odd 'moist corner',
I would find it hard to find the part you refer to.

"toujours gai", Richmond.


From kee at kagi.com  Fri Sep  3 18:00:57 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 15:00:57 -0700
Subject: Observations on Unicode, RunRev and Operating Systems
In-Reply-To: <4C816BC4.8030201@gmail.com>
References: <C8A6A859.4C503%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4C816BC4.8030201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B3CBB4C-21D1-45C1-8537-43445E7C2FCE@kagi.com>

On Sep 3, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 9/3/10 11:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> If one opens a Unicode font with a font development program what the
>>> user sees are lots and lots of glyphs; what most people don't see are
>>> all sorts of
>>> rules as to how they should behave when the end-user types something
>>> using that
>>> font, possibly also using a text-encoding algorithm built into their
>>> operating system.
>>> 
>>> Why should we care?
>>> 
>>> Because, while Windows Vista and '7', and Linux works wonderfully with
>>> Unicode
>>> fonts giving those rules cognisance, Mac OS and Windows XP don't . . .
>> What do you mean "all sorts of rules as to how they should behave"?  Kerning
>> pairs?  Ligatures?  Multi-key characters?  Something else?
>> 
>> If you're really talking about Mac OS (pre OS X), I wouldn't be surprised.
> 
> I am talking about Mac OS X . . .
> 
> To illustrate the point you can download a stack which illustrates the point rather
> nicely:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Daft_Unicode.zip
> 
> the ZIP file contains the Sanskrit2003 font (which you should install on your system, at least temporarily)
> and a stack which uses the font to illustrate the point.
> 
> I you have access to a number of machines running a selections of operating systems you
> will see the 'problem' in all its glory.
> 
>> AFAIK, Unicode was only in its infancy when Mac OS was around, and general
>> adoption probably took a while.  By then, OS X was coming on the scene, so
>> presumably most/all development efforts were shifted to that OS.
> 
> Well, somebody forgot a thing or two about Unicode with Mac OS X, and the Apple people
> probably need a "prod" about that.
> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design

I'm no unicode expert and I applaud your efforts. I see two possible places for a bug in unicode for the stack you have provided: Mac OS X, or the user installed Sanskrit font. 

Might you have an example that uses any of the fonts that come bundled with Mac OS X? That would rule out the user installed font as the problem and point directly to the OS. If you could provide such an example, I could absolutely file it in the Apple bug system. 

If the bug only occurs with the provided Sanskrit font, do you have a unicode organization recognized validator (kind of like http://validator.w3.org/) that would indicate that the provided Sanskrit font passes all validations imposed by the standard. Again, if there is a way to prove the font is 100% valid, and there are display problems on the Mac OS X, I could file that bug in the Apple bug system. 

Kee Nethery (who is a neophyte Unicode user)



From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep  3 18:03:10 2010
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:03:10 -0400
Subject: Multi-Page Printing Strategy?
In-Reply-To: <C89F2F2F.4C2D5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C89F2F2F.4C2D5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0C174AFF-5278-4C6E-B733-95178EBD108D@embarqmail.com>

Scott,

My ChecksQuick check printing app has multiple data cards but only one printing card. The fields in the printing card are filled on the fly when the user prints their checks. I have no problem printing as many checks as I want with just one click. Download the app and see if it is doing what you are trying to do. If so, I will post my routine to the list.

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com

On Aug 29, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> I'm wondering if someone more versed in printing than I can offer a
> suggestion for printing multiple pages from a stack where the card content
> is dynamically created.
> 
> The stack is essentially a bare bones PowerPoint-like app that creates
> custom charts and text-only "slides".  Only one card is used for the display
> of all content -- groups are hidden and shown as needed when viewing a
> slideshow, and field/chart contents are populated on-the-fly.
> 
> I can write a routine to to tell the app to automatically create each slide,
> but I don't know if I should try to print directly from the main display
> stack, or copy card elements out to an offscreen stack and print from there.
> The display stack can fit standard paper size, so there's no
> resizing/reformatting issue to deal with there.
> 
> Could this be as straightforward as the following?
> 
> open printing
> <generate slide 1>
> print this cd
> <generate slide 2>
> print this cd
> ...etc.
> close printing
> 
> Also, what is the proper method for centering content on a printed page?  I
> see Rev provides printRectangle and printPaperRectangle properties, but I
> can't tell from their descriptions what I would use to center stack content
> within the live area of a printed page.
> 
> Thanks for any advice/suggestions.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
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From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep  3 18:06:14 2010
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:06:14 -0400
Subject: Rev POST command and Squid proxy servers?
In-Reply-To: <FA09A5BE-2721-419F-8C16-472D7005DA5E@yahoo.com>
References: <1BD27CE4-9BE2-44A1-800B-3EFC165F1E8D@embarqmail.com>
	<FA09A5BE-2721-419F-8C16-472D7005DA5E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E347FBC7-4D08-4651-B691-1E7E9A71B1F2@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

Thanks for your suggestion. However, I am still using 4.0.0.

Regards,

Bruce

On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Which version of Rev are you using?
> 
> I found that using POST on 4.5.3 IDE sends extra chars after the last variable, including a cr.
> 
>   =   Login Invalid
> 
> Roll back to 4.5.0 and it works again
> 
> I discovered this by using the PHP function  var_dump($_POST) to see all the received variables
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Any known issues when using a Rev app behind a squid proxy server? My Patent Grabber application uses a POST command which a user informed me is not working. He is setting the httpProxy property to his corporate proxy server address, which he generically describes as proxy.server.de:8080. I am also a bit leery of his use of port 8080 rather than the standard HTTP port of just plain 80. But that is what he insists on using.
>> 
>> Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. Thanks.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Bruce Pokras
>> Blazing Dawn Software
>> www.blazingdawn.com_______________________________________________
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> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep  3 18:41:25 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:41:25 -0700
Subject: Observations on Unicode, RunRev and Operating Systems
In-Reply-To: <4C816BC4.8030201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8A6C7A5.4C50F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richmond wrote:

> I am talking about Mac OS X . . .
> 
> To illustrate the point you can download a stack which illustrates the
> point rather
> nicely:
> 
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Daft_Unicode.zip
> 
> the ZIP file contains the Sanskrit2003 font (which you should install on
> your system, at least temporarily)
> and a stack which uses the font to illustrate the point.
> 
> I you have access to a number of machines running a selections of
> operating systems you
> will see the 'problem' in all its glory.
> 
>> AFAIK, Unicode was only in its infancy when Mac OS was around, and general
>> adoption probably took a while.  By then, OS X was coming on the scene, so
>> presumably most/all development efforts were shifted to that OS.
> 
> Well, somebody forgot a thing or two about Unicode with Mac OS X, and
> the Apple people
> probably need a "prod" about that.

Most likely this is Rev, not OS X.

The Mac was designed at its inception to render great typography in multiple
languages.  Unicode support and text rendering in Rev is fairly outdated;
there has never been great typographic control in Rev.

If you're seeing better text rendering in Rev on Windows, I'm not sure why,
but you should try displaying some text on OS X in TextEdit or other text
editing app.  My guess is the text will render (behave) much better.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 01:56:08 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:56:08 -0500
Subject: SQLite Database
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdJaa9iZACMayiwPJcx45UTDheyv2od-bpU4s_@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anyway to encrypt a SQLite database that I can use in
Revolution Studio?

Thanks for any suggestions!
Warren


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 02:54:39 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:54:39 +0300
Subject: Bad grammar
Message-ID: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>

if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty

. . .  :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 03:43:15 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:43:15 +0300
Subject: Observations on Unicode, RunRev and Operating Systems
In-Reply-To: <2B3CBB4C-21D1-45C1-8537-43445E7C2FCE@kagi.com>
References: <C8A6A859.4C503%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4C816BC4.8030201@gmail.com>
	<2B3CBB4C-21D1-45C1-8537-43445E7C2FCE@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <4C81F893.60802@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 01:00 AM, Kee Nethery wrote:
>
> I'm no unicode expert and I applaud your efforts. I see two possible places for a bug in unicode for the stack you have provided: Mac OS X, or the user installed Sanskrit font.
>
> Might you have an example that uses any of the fonts that come bundled with Mac OS X? That would rule out the user installed font as the problem and point directly to the OS. If you could provide such an example, I could absolutely file it in the Apple bug system.
>
> If the bug only occurs with the provided Sanskrit font, do you have a unicode organization recognized validator (kind of like http://validator.w3.org/) that would indicate that the provided Sanskrit font passes all validations imposed by the standard. Again, if there is a way to prove the font is 100% valid, and there are display problems on the Mac OS X, I could file that bug in the Apple bug system.
>
> Kee Nethery (who is a neophyte Unicode user)
>
> _______________________________________________
>    

Just uploaded a new version that uses "Sathu.ttf", a Unicode font from 
the Mac OS Tiger install disk.

I have bundled "Sathu" in the zip file [Ouch, Steve will be after me] to 
sabe all of you the bother
of overloading your system with fonts you don't need, and for those of 
you who want to try the stack
on other operating systems.

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Daft_Unicode.zip

Methinks Scott hath too much faith in Mac OS . . .  :)

sincerely, Richmond.


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep  4 03:58:30 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:58:30 +1000
Subject: SQLite Database
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdJaa9iZACMayiwPJcx45UTDheyv2od-bpU4s_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdJaa9iZACMayiwPJcx45UTDheyv2od-bpU4s_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67567208-8896-4227-B410-0DAAABAD5861@sweattechnologies.com>

Not without writing a new db driver I wouldn't think. From memory there is an encrypted version of sqlite with a $2000 license fee. If you don't need it to be ultra secure then you could store your db in a custom property of an encrypted stack and save it to a hidden file at startup, save it back to your encrypted stack at shutdown and delete the hidden file. Anyone that knows it's a rev stack could open the file in rev, copy out the db file and see your data though.

Cheers

Monte
On 04/09/2010, at 3:56 PM, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> Is there anyway to encrypt a SQLite database that I can use in
> Revolution Studio?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions!
> Warren
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Sep  4 04:42:14 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 10:42:14 +0200
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39B598D4-192C-4991-A74F-EF19C6685CA9@numericable.com>

Is they ?
;-)
Bonne rentr?e
Ren?

Le 4 sept. 2010 ? 08:54, Richmond a ?crit :

> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty
> 
> . . .  :)
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 04:49:59 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 10:49:59 +0200
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

This is the same as:

if fld "fXXX" is true and fld "fZZZ" is empty...

Your syntax is valid.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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On 4 sep 2010, at 08:54, Richmond wrote:

> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty
> 
> . . .  :)




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 05:03:06 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:03:06 +0300
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 11:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> This is the same as:
>
> if fld "fXXX" is true and fld "fZZZ" is empty...
>
> Your syntax is valid.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>    

I know my syntax is valid; the script that that is embedded in (runs to 
about 2080 lines - a real 'horror') works

[ something that never ceases to surprise me ]

However, it is BAD English.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

what I wanted to 'say' by

if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty

was

if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty

and, indeed that is what I intended to type at 2 am last night, but 
Morpheus was hard
at work wrapping me in his coils, so it came out the way it did;

notwithstanding Morpheus, obviously the Lar of RunRev saved me . . . :)


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 05:08:00 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:08:00 +0200
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF374E35-EF48-44C6-AD8C-6D8AB1A1D319@economy-x-talk.com>

Yes, it is bad English. Submit a feature request, asking for "are" :-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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On 4 sep 2010, at 11:03, Richmond wrote:
> 
> I know my syntax is valid; the script that that is embedded in (runs to about 2080 lines - a real 'horror') works
> 
> [ something that never ceases to surprise me ]
> 
> However, it is BAD English.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> what I wanted to 'say' by
> 
> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty
> 
> was
> 
> if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty
> 
> and, indeed that is what I intended to type at 2 am last night, but Morpheus was hard
> at work wrapping me in his coils, so it came out the way it did;
> 
> notwithstanding Morpheus, obviously the Lar of RunRev saved me . . . :)




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 05:10:18 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:10:18 +0300
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <CF374E35-EF48-44C6-AD8C-6D8AB1A1D319@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
	<CF374E35-EF48-44C6-AD8C-6D8AB1A1D319@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C820CFA.5070709@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 12:08 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Yes, it is bad English. Submit a feature request, asking for "are" :-)
>    

To which the obvious reposte is: Ar, Ar, Ar! . . .  :)
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
>  From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce
>
> On 4 sep 2010, at 11:03, Richmond wrote:
>    
>> I know my syntax is valid; the script that that is embedded in (runs to about 2080 lines - a real 'horror') works
>>
>> [ something that never ceases to surprise me ]
>>
>> However, it is BAD English.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> what I wanted to 'say' by
>>
>> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty
>>
>> was
>>
>> if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty
>>
>> and, indeed that is what I intended to type at 2 am last night, but Morpheus was hard
>> at work wrapping me in his coils, so it came out the way it did;
>>
>> notwithstanding Morpheus, obviously the Lar of RunRev saved me . . . :)
>>      
>
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From andre at rombauts.be  Sat Sep  4 05:12:03 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:12:03 +0200
Subject: PDF reading window
Message-ID: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>

Hello there...

Is it possible to display PDF files and add buttons to switch from one
page to another, to zoom? In one word, to setup a PDF reader inside
RunRev applications?



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 05:17:35 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:17:35 +0200
Subject: PDF reading window
In-Reply-To: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <53077571-CD06-40C9-8FBF-A37A5A202323@economy-x-talk.com>

Andre,

On Mac OS X, you can "play" a PDF file in a QuickTime player.

On all platforms, you can display PDF files in the browser, but a PDF browser plugin maybe be required.

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On 4 sep 2010, at 11:12, Andre Rombauts wrote:

> Hello there...
> 
> Is it possible to display PDF files and add buttons to switch from one
> page to another, to zoom? In one word, to setup a PDF reader inside
> RunRev applications?



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 05:17:59 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:17:59 +0300
Subject: PDF reading window
In-Reply-To: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <4C820EC7.6060803@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 12:12 PM, Andre Rombauts wrote:
> Hello there...
>
> Is it possible to display PDF files and add buttons to switch from one
> page to another, to zoom? In one word, to setup a PDF reader inside
> RunRev applications?
>
>    

Well, this is a sort of off-handed reply, but:

if revBrowser can display webpages,

and most web-browsers can display PDFs .........................




From andre at rombauts.be  Sat Sep  4 05:42:20 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:42:20 +0200
Subject: PDF reading window
In-Reply-To: <53077571-CD06-40C9-8FBF-A37A5A202323@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
	<53077571-CD06-40C9-8FBF-A37A5A202323@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <20100904094220.1559262290@mail.rombauts.be>

>On Mac OS X, you can "play" a PDF file in a QuickTime player.
>
>On all platforms, you can display PDF files in the browser, but a PDF
>browser plugin maybe be required.

Thanks Mark.
Thus, in any case, an external plugin is required...
If QT is installed on Windows, displaying in a QT player is not possible?



From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 05:44:18 2010
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:44:18 +0200
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7269B075-156C-402F-9BDD-4FC5E4C9A1B2@sunnyrevtalk.com>

> , Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> 
>> if fld "fXXX" is true and fld "fZZZ" is empty...
> 
> what I wanted to 'say' by
> 
> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty
> 
> was
> 
> if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty


And what about this one ?

if ( fld "fXXX" & fld "fZZZ" ) is empty then ...

Regards,
Thierry



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Sep  4 05:56:19 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:56:19 +0200
Subject: PDF reading window
In-Reply-To: <20100904094220.1559262290@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
	<53077571-CD06-40C9-8FBF-A37A5A202323@economy-x-talk.com>
	<20100904094220.1559262290@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <1CE68BC8-4286-4FFF-8FA3-0E2FC834B82D@major.on-rev.com>

Bonjour Andre,

>> On Mac OS X, you can "play" a PDF file in a QuickTime player.
>> 
>> On all platforms, you can display PDF files in the browser, but a PDF
>> browser plugin maybe be required.
> 
> Thanks Mark.
> Thus, in any case, an external plugin is required...

yes.

> If QT is installed on Windows, displaying in a QT player is not possible?

no, this is a Mac OS X only feature.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 05:57:26 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:57:26 +0200
Subject: PDF reading window
In-Reply-To: <20100904094220.1559262290@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100904091203.1874766130@mail.rombauts.be>
	<53077571-CD06-40C9-8FBF-A37A5A202323@economy-x-talk.com>
	<20100904094220.1559262290@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <0C6A93F4-42CB-4552-9EA6-911DA4A120F4@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Andre,

Yes, you need either QuickTime on Mac OS X or the revBrowser plug-in and a PDF browser plug-in.

I unable to display a PDF in a QT player on Windows when I tried this a long time ago. It might have changed in the mean time, but I don't expect it, because QT uses Mac OS X-specific API's to do this.

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On 4 sep 2010, at 11:42, Andre Rombauts wrote:

>> On Mac OS X, you can "play" a PDF file in a QuickTime player.
>> 
>> On all platforms, you can display PDF files in the browser, but a PDF
>> browser plugin maybe be required.
> 
> Thanks Mark.
> Thus, in any case, an external plugin is required...
> If QT is installed on Windows, displaying in a QT player is not possible?



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 05:58:52 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:58:52 +0200
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <7269B075-156C-402F-9BDD-4FC5E4C9A1B2@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
	<7269B075-156C-402F-9BDD-4FC5E4C9A1B2@sunnyrevtalk.com>
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Hi Thierry,

Yes, that would do what Richmond wants, too.

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> And what about this one ?
> 
> if ( fld "fXXX" & fld "fZZZ" ) is empty then ...
> 
> Regards,
> Thierry



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 06:13:01 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:13:01 +0200
Subject: [OT] A Little Success Story - Color Converter
Message-ID: <A3B31500-0295-4A1D-B5D9-24803B44A19E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Let me share a little success story with you. One of the most successful commercial products I have created with RunRev is Color Converter. I released Color Converter 1.0 almost 3 years ago and since that time Economy-x-Talk has sold numerous licenses for this product. 

During those years I spent a few 100 euro on Revolution licenses and spent about two weeks programming. During the past 3 years I earned back my investment multiple times. RunRev is the ideal development environment for this little application. The way RunRev converts pictures to imageData makes complex analyses really easy. RunRev allows me to write a complex tool with minimum effort.

Unfortunately, there is one persistent problem. Almost all customers giving feedback on this application complain about the lack of multiple monitors support. It is impossible to make a snapshot of a secondary monitor and the mouseColor function reports incorrect values outside the main screen. For these features, I am completely dependent on RunRev Ltd. and I can only hope these bugs will be fixed. It has to be said, when the "answer color" command appeared to be broken, RunRev was quick to fix this, which kind of saved my product.

Nonetheless, it is easy to move a window to another monitor to allow Color Converter to do it's thing and the bugs don't stop people from using my little utility every day. Yesterday, I released Color Converter 3.0 and I'm sure it is going to be another success. This new version adds the capability to resize pictures to it's feature set. 

You can download Color Converter at:
http://www.color-converter.com

A few more projects made with RunRev:
http://qurl.tk/gk

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Mark Schonewille

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep  4 11:49:14 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:49:14 -0700
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <159158684000.20100904084914@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, September 4, 2010, 2:03:06 AM, you wrote:

> what I wanted to 'say' by

> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty

> was

> if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty

Methinks the "bad" here is bad logic rather than bad grammar. What you
typed was a partial logical statement (akin to using a contraction
instead of writing out full words) and then expected the compiler to
fill in the details and extrapolate. The compiler, being a fair-minded
device, expanded your statement to what it knew deep in its heart you
really meant: as Mark pointed out, that would be

if fld "fXXX" is true and fld "fZZZ" is empty

which is proper logic and proper grammar.

Although not the logic you intended. If indeed you had typed out
either of

if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty

or (as Thierry has cleverly pointed out)

if (fld "fXXX" & fld "fZZZ") is empty

you would again have proper (and intended) logic and proper grammar.

...I'm stopping now before I start veering into the dangerous ground
of the syntax of statements like

if me is empty

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 12:03:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:03:34 +0300
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <159158684000.20100904084914@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
	<159158684000.20100904084914@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C826DD6.3@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 06:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, September 4, 2010, 2:03:06 AM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> what I wanted to 'say' by
>>      
>    
>> if fld "fXXX" and fld "fZZZ" is empty
>>      
>    
>> was
>>      
>    
>> if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty
>>      
> Methinks the "bad" here is bad logic rather than bad grammar. What you
> typed was a partial logical statement (akin to using a contraction
> instead of writing out full words) and then expected the compiler to
> fill in the details and extrapolate. The compiler, being a fair-minded
> device, expanded your statement to what it knew deep in its heart you
> really meant: as Mark pointed out, that would be
>
> if fld "fXXX" is true and fld "fZZZ" is empty
>
> which is proper logic and proper grammar.
>
> Although not the logic you intended. If indeed you had typed out
> either of
>
> if fld "fXXX" is empty and fld "fZZZ" is empty
>
> or (as Thierry has cleverly pointed out)
>
> if (fld "fXXX"&  fld "fZZZ") is empty
>
> you would again have proper (and intended) logic and proper grammar.
>
> ...I'm stopping now before I start veering into the dangerous ground
> of the syntax of statements like
>
> if me is empty
>
>    

I did contextualise a bit:

"but Morpheus was hard at work wrapping me in his coils, so it came out 
the way it did;"

And having just spent 8 hours editing my way through about 50,000 lines 
of code (or, put another way,
25 times 2080 line, each version of which has subtle changes) I

th......................ink..............z..........z..................z  my 
s-y-n-t-a-x izzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

way off:

on mouseUp
   put Richmond into bed
end mouseUp


notwithstanding Morpheus, obviously the Lar of RunRev saved me . . . :)



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 12:05:17 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:05:17 -0500
Subject: SQLite Database
In-Reply-To: <67567208-8896-4227-B410-0DAAABAD5861@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <AANLkTimdJaa9iZACMayiwPJcx45UTDheyv2od-bpU4s_@mail.gmail.com>
	<67567208-8896-4227-B410-0DAAABAD5861@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYq9SrworeNS=jynAz=R-RJMVH8Vn6T2J=V-4K@mail.gmail.com>

Monte,

I thanks for the advice.  $2000 is a little steep.  I may loook at
writing an encryption/decrypt module for my data and decrpyt it after
retrieving it from the database.

Thanks!

Warren

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> Not without writing a new db driver I wouldn't think. From memory there is an encrypted version of sqlite with a $2000 license fee. If you don't need it to be ultra secure then you could store your db in a custom property of an encrypted stack and save it to a hidden file at startup, save it back to your encrypted stack at shutdown and delete the hidden file. Anyone that knows it's a rev stack could open the file in rev, copy out the db file and see your data though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
> On 04/09/2010, at 3:56 PM, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>> Is there anyway to encrypt a SQLite database that I can use in
>> Revolution Studio?
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>> Warren
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep  4 12:14:42 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:14:42 -0700
Subject: Bad grammar
In-Reply-To: <4C826DD6.3@gmail.com>
References: <4C81ED2F.2060103@gmail.com>
	<A344FC27-A6BD-4A61-BE5D-D37039A30DAE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C820B4A.8010908@gmail.com>
	<159158684000.20100904084914@ahsoftware.net> <4C826DD6.3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25160212500.20100904091442@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

function AmTired
   if me is sleepy then
      put me into bed
   end if
   return tomorrow
end AmTired

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 12:15:00 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:15:00 +0300
Subject: Arrow keys . . ,
Message-ID: <4C827084.1040703@gmail.com>

So here I am with an obscenely complicated and long-winded card script with
"undreds" and "undreds" of case statements inside a switch statement inside
a rawKeyDown statement at the end of which I have:
-------------------------------------------
       default
          pass rawKeyDown
     end switch

end rawKeyDown
-------------------------------------------
so I can use my left and right arrow keys to wander around inside my 
target textField

so I can pop unicodeText into a unicodeString in a textField thus:
-------------------------------------------

set the unicodeText of the selectedText to numToChar(XXXXXX)

where 'XXXXXX' is a decimalised Unicode address.

BUT, there is a PROBLEM:

I don't want my end-user selecting chunks of text (they can just use the 
DELETE key) as this
will play "Merry Hell" with the thing.

Does anybody have any idea how to block end-users from selecting 
textChunks while stiil being
able to set the insertion point both with the arrow keys and the pointer 
/ mouse?


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep  4 12:24:25 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:24:25 -0700
Subject: Arrow keys . . ,
In-Reply-To: <4C827084.1040703@gmail.com>
References: <4C827084.1040703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <126160794703.20100904092425@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, September 4, 2010, 9:15:00 AM, you wrote:

> Does anybody have any idea how to block end-users from selecting
> textChunks while stiil being
> able to set the insertion point both with the arrow keys and the pointer
> / mouse?

Just a thought, but...

could you handle the selectionChanged message and then check the
selectedChunk in there? (see if there is an actual textChunk or just
one char selected)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 12:37:22 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:37:22 +0300
Subject: Arrow keys . . ,
In-Reply-To: <126160794703.20100904092425@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C827084.1040703@gmail.com>
	<126160794703.20100904092425@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C8275C2.2030405@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 07:24 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, September 4, 2010, 9:15:00 AM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> Does anybody have any idea how to block end-users from selecting
>> textChunks while stiil being
>> able to set the insertion point both with the arrow keys and the pointer
>> / mouse?
>>      
> Just a thought, but...
>
> could you handle the selectionChanged message and then check the
> selectedChunk in there? (see if there is an actual textChunk or just
> one char selected)
>
>    

Sounds a good idea, but, I want the situation
that there is NO char selected, just the insertion point
lying between 2 chars.


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 12:38:15 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:38:15 -0500
Subject: Revolution Enterprise - Encrypt
Message-ID: <AANLkTintJfcZdceduHob9y-JKdABVJyB2HrAcG+-qub2@mail.gmail.com>

With the encrypt command with Enterprise, would I be able to encrypt
data that I write to SQLite and decrypt it when retrieving it?  I just
have Studio (so I can't test ths) but would upgrade if this was the
case.

Thanks,
Warren


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Sep  4 12:43:25 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 18:43:25 +0200
Subject: Revolution Enterprise - Encrypt
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintJfcZdceduHob9y-JKdABVJyB2HrAcG+-qub2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTintJfcZdceduHob9y-JKdABVJyB2HrAcG+-qub2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <586697B8-9CEF-42EE-94CA-74DEF09089EF@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Warren,

> With the encrypt command with Enterprise, would I be able to encrypt
> data that I write to SQLite and decrypt it when retrieving it?  I just
> have Studio (so I can't test ths) but would upgrade if this was the
> case.

Yes :-)

> Thanks,
> Warren

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  4 12:45:09 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 18:45:09 +0200
Subject: Revolution Enterprise - Encrypt
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintJfcZdceduHob9y-JKdABVJyB2HrAcG+-qub2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTintJfcZdceduHob9y-JKdABVJyB2HrAcG+-qub2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47561CC8-56FD-487B-9AE6-55F714D0B299@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Warren,

Sure, you can do this. Since the encrypted data would be binary, you probably will want to encode it using the base64encode function before writing it to the database.

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On 4 sep 2010, at 18:38, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> With the encrypt command with Enterprise, would I be able to encrypt
> data that I write to SQLite and decrypt it when retrieving it?  I just
> have Studio (so I can't test ths) but would upgrade if this was the
> case.
> 
> Thanks,
> Warren




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 12:48:00 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:48:00 -0500
Subject: Revolution Enterprise - Encrypt
In-Reply-To: <47561CC8-56FD-487B-9AE6-55F714D0B299@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTintJfcZdceduHob9y-JKdABVJyB2HrAcG+-qub2@mail.gmail.com>
	<47561CC8-56FD-487B-9AE6-55F714D0B299@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimNc8+E+uDee1nFBfB134EU05ZwQRGQmmSR9GEx@mail.gmail.com>

Perfect...thanks for all the help.  This is the route I will take.

Appreciate it!
Warren

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Mark Schonewille
<m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> Sure, you can do this. Since the encrypted data would be binary, you probably will want to encode it using the base64encode function before writing it to the database.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce
>
> On 4 sep 2010, at 18:38, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>> With the encrypt command with Enterprise, would I be able to encrypt
>> data that I write to SQLite and decrypt it when retrieving it? ?I just
>> have Studio (so I can't test ths) but would upgrade if this was the
>> case.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Warren
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep  4 13:01:21 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 10:01:21 -0700
Subject: Arrow keys . . ,
In-Reply-To: <4C8275C2.2030405@gmail.com>
References: <4C827084.1040703@gmail.com>
	<126160794703.20100904092425@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8275C2.2030405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37163010671.20100904100121@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, September 4, 2010, 9:37:22 AM, you wrote:

> Sounds a good idea, but, I want the situation
> that there is NO char selected, just the insertion point
> lying between 2 chars.

Right. So if you check the selectedChunk in a selectionChanged handler
you can tell the difference.

If it's just an insertion point you'll get something like
char 26 to 25 of field 1
and if it's a text selection (more than one char) you'll get
char 24 to 25 of field 1

Note that the first char selector is *greater* than the second if it's
just an insertion point.

on selectionChanged
  if word 2 of the selectedChunk > word 4 of the selectedChunk then
    put "this is ok."
  else
    put "I'm going to ignore the text chunk."
  end if
end selectionChanged

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 13:06:31 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:06:31 +0300
Subject: Arrow keys . . ,
In-Reply-To: <37163010671.20100904100121@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C827084.1040703@gmail.com>	<126160794703.20100904092425@ahsoftware.net>	<4C8275C2.2030405@gmail.com>
	<37163010671.20100904100121@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C827C97.6030307@gmail.com>

On 09/04/2010 08:01 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, September 4, 2010, 9:37:22 AM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> Sounds a good idea, but, I want the situation
>> that there is NO char selected, just the insertion point
>> lying between 2 chars.
>>      
> Right. So if you check the selectedChunk in a selectionChanged handler
> you can tell the difference.
>
> If it's just an insertion point you'll get something like
> char 26 to 25 of field 1
> and if it's a text selection (more than one char) you'll get
> char 24 to 25 of field 1
>
> Note that the first char selector is *greater* than the second if it's
> just an insertion point.
>
> on selectionChanged
>    if word 2 of the selectedChunk>  word 4 of the selectedChunk then
>      put "this is ok."
>    else
>      put "I'm going to ignore the text chunk."
>    end if
> end selectionChanged
>
>    
Lovely, Thanks for the help.


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Sep  4 16:53:49 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 16:53:49 -0400
Subject: SQLite Database
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYq9SrworeNS=jynAz=R-RJMVH8Vn6T2J=V-4K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdJaa9iZACMayiwPJcx45UTDheyv2od-bpU4s_@mail.gmail.com>
	<67567208-8896-4227-B410-0DAAABAD5861@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimYq9SrworeNS=jynAz=R-RJMVH8Vn6T2J=V-4K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7yZ-kwKxrPb0pP-h1Os7c_m2=DgeSp+Z_JykZ@mail.gmail.com>

Valentina offers encryption and for a great deal less than $2000. It's
also a much more robust and faster database with lots more to offer.
The latest Valentina Studio application offers ways to convert SQLite
to Valentina also.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Monte,
>
> I thanks for the advice. ?$2000 is a little steep. ?I may loook at
> writing an encryption/decrypt module for my data and decrpyt it after
> retrieving it from the database.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Warren
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>> Not without writing a new db driver I wouldn't think. From memory there is an encrypted version of sqlite with a $2000 license fee. If you don't need it to be ultra secure then you could store your db in a custom property of an encrypted stack and save it to a hidden file at startup, save it back to your encrypted stack at shutdown and delete the hidden file. Anyone that knows it's a rev stack could open the file in rev, copy out the db file and see your data though.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Monte
>> On 04/09/2010, at 3:56 PM, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anyway to encrypt a SQLite database that I can use in
>>> Revolution Studio?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>> Warren
>>> _______________________________________________
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Sep  4 23:12:39 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 20:12:39 -0700
Subject: Deleting all cookies with On-Rev
Message-ID: <AANLkTikV=Lr-m+gu1XmGY8tE0xYAhPUZamMWqS1xKkwf@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to be having difficulty in deleting cookies by script. Those little
buggers seem to persist forever, and I can't seem to get the syntax right or
something.

I know one method is to set the expire dates back in time. Is there a
shortcut method to delete a *group* at a time? Either way, I can't seem to
destroy them.  I know someone here has 'been there and done that'. Thanks in
advance.

-- 



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San Francisco Ca. USA

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From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 23:42:08 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:42:08 +0900
Subject: [RevMobile] screen redraw problem?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=bgByAh30mxLdSiF5-+paRg68Eo9+P=8QAo+LT@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

The screen is acting odd when opening some of my
RevMobile-built-for-iPhone apps.

The screen appears fine the 1st or 2nd  time an app is opened
immediately after installation on my iPhone. After closing and
restarting the app, though, the entire screen is black, and stays that
way until I touch or swipe on the screen, at which point the app's
fields, graphics, and so on begin to appear, not at once but in
dithered blocks.

For comparison, I closed and restarted several times two of Rev's
iphone-tutorial stacks ("reaction.rev" and "bulls-i"). No screen
problems at all with those.

Any ideas how to fix this?

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Sep  5 00:26:29 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 21:26:29 -0700
Subject: SQLite Database
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim7yZ-kwKxrPb0pP-h1Os7c_m2=DgeSp+Z_JykZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdJaa9iZACMayiwPJcx45UTDheyv2od-bpU4s_@mail.gmail.com><67567208-8896-4227-B410-0DAAABAD5861@sweattechnologies.com><AANLkTimYq9SrworeNS=jynAz=R-RJMVH8Vn6T2J=V-4K@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim7yZ-kwKxrPb0pP-h1Os7c_m2=DgeSp+Z_JykZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE1C907FF05440BDBE74BF069B1FD02B@GATEWAY>

> Valentina offers encryption and for a great deal less than 
> $2000. It's also a much more robust and faster database with 
> lots more to offer.
> The latest Valentina Studio application offers ways to 
> convert SQLite to Valentina also.

Thanks Bill for the recommendation!

Although you can treat it in a similar way as a relational database,
Valentina is at its heart a very modern columnar database. That's why when
you hear the crazy sounding claims that its so much faster than MySQL or
other relational dbs, we aren't kidding. Run complex queries against large
databases and often you'll find what took a few hours with others takes a
few minutes, or less, with Valentina. We have some customers who do dumps
from Oracle into Valentina for running special types of analysis or BI type
solutions because its way more efficient to do that (and much less
expensive) than try to do it just with Oracle.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Warren Kuhl 
> <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Monte,
> >
> > I thanks for the advice. ?$2000 is a little steep. ?I may loook at 
> > writing an encryption/decrypt module for my data and 
> decrpyt it after 
> > retrieving it from the database.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Monte Goulding 
> > <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> >> Not without writing a new db driver I wouldn't think. From 
> memory there is an encrypted version of sqlite with a $2000 
> license fee. If you don't need it to be ultra secure then you 
> could store your db in a custom property of an encrypted 
> stack and save it to a hidden file at startup, save it back 
> to your encrypted stack at shutdown and delete the hidden 
> file. Anyone that knows it's a rev stack could open the file 
> in rev, copy out the db file and see your data though.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Monte
> >> On 04/09/2010, at 3:56 PM, Warren Kuhl wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is there anyway to encrypt a SQLite database that I can use in 
> >>> Revolution Studio?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for any suggestions!
> >>> Warren
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 05:46:09 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:46:09 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
Message-ID: <4C8366E1.2040807@gmail.com>

I am poking around in a textField to ascertain if the
double-byte char just before the insertion point is either:

1. Bang up against the left-hand side of the textField

or

2. A space.

#1 is dead easy; the space is proving rather difficult.

My code goes something like this:

on mouseUp
    set the useUnicode to true
       put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into W4
       put (W4 - 1) into W5
       get charToNum(char W5 to W4 of fld "MyGuff")
         if it = empty or space then
            put "EMPTY or SPACE"
         else
            put "STUFF HERE"
         end if
end mouseUp

tried replacing "space" with "32"

for some funny reason this detects the left-hand side of the fld "MyGuff",
but not if there is a space on the left of the insertion point.

A real bu**er right now.

sincerely, Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 06:33:05 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:33:05 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
Message-ID: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>

Running a detection script like this:

on mouseUp
    set the useUnicode to true
    put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into W4
    put (W4 - 1) into W5
       get charToNum(char W5 to W4 of fld "MyGuff")
       put it into UNIK
    put the word 2 of the selectedChunk into W2
    put (W2 - 1) into W!
       get charToNumber(char W2 to W1 of fld "MyGuff")
       put it into UNIQ
    put uniEncode("The insertion point is between '") into P1
    put uniEncode("' and '") into P2
    put uniEncode("'") into P3
    set the unicodeText of fld "WhereAreWe" to P1 & numToChar(UNIK) & P2 
& numToChar(UNIQ) & P3
end mouseUp


detects a SPACE when the insertion point is BEFORE the space, but

does NOT detect a SPACE when the insertion point is AFTER a space.

---------------------------------------------------------

Where am I going wrong?


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep  5 07:04:56 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 13:04:56 +0200
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

You have W! instead of W1. W1 is undefined. Also, shouldn't it be W4-1 and W2+1? Have you checked that W4 > W2? I know, this is a tricky thing, struggled a lot with it myself.



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On 5 sep 2010, at 12:33, Richmond wrote:

> Running a detection script like this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the useUnicode to true
>   put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into W4
>   put (W4 - 1) into W5
>      get charToNum(char W5 to W4 of fld "MyGuff")
>      put it into UNIK
>   put the word 2 of the selectedChunk into W2
>   put (W2 - 1) into W!
>      get charToNumber(char W2 to W1 of fld "MyGuff")
>      put it into UNIQ
>   put uniEncode("The insertion point is between '") into P1
>   put uniEncode("' and '") into P2
>   put uniEncode("'") into P3
>   set the unicodeText of fld "WhereAreWe" to P1 & numToChar(UNIK) & P2 & numToChar(UNIQ) & P3
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> detects a SPACE when the insertion point is BEFORE the space, but
> 
> does NOT detect a SPACE when the insertion point is AFTER a space.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 07:10:31 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:10:31 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>
	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C837AA7.8070808@gmail.com>

On 09/05/2010 02:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> You have W! instead of W1. W1 is undefined. Also, shouldn't it be W4-1 and W2+1? Have you checked that W4>  W2? I know, this is a tricky thing, struggled a lot with it myself.
>
>
>    

Yes, it should be W2 + 1, and that was me being careless copying the 
script into my e-mail client; as with 'W!'.

The script still has the same problem.
  I will keep on fiddling around; Thanks for the support.
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
>  From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce
>
> On 5 sep 2010, at 12:33, Richmond wrote:
>
>    
>> Running a detection script like this:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    set the useUnicode to true
>>    put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into W4
>>    put (W4 - 1) into W5
>>       get charToNum(char W5 to W4 of fld "MyGuff")
>>       put it into UNIK
>>    put the word 2 of the selectedChunk into W2
>>    put (W2 - 1) into W!
>>       get charToNumber(char W2 to W1 of fld "MyGuff")
>>       put it into UNIQ
>>    put uniEncode("The insertion point is between '") into P1
>>    put uniEncode("' and '") into P2
>>    put uniEncode("'") into P3
>>    set the unicodeText of fld "WhereAreWe" to P1&  numToChar(UNIK)&  P2&  numToChar(UNIQ)&  P3
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> detects a SPACE when the insertion point is BEFORE the space, but
>>
>> does NOT detect a SPACE when the insertion point is AFTER a space.
>>      
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 07:45:24 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:45:24 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>
	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C8382D4.7050608@gmail.com>

I wonder why this doesn't work:

put the char before the selectedText

and nor does this:

put the char before the selectedChunk

?

Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 07:57:24 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:57:24 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>
	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>

Cracked It!
  And a right "@#$%^" it is too . . .  :(
>> Running a detection script like this:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    set the useUnicode to true
>>    put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into W4
>>    put (W4 - 1) into W5
>>       get charToNum(char W5 to W4 of fld "MyGuff")
>>       put it into UNIK
>>    put the word 2 of the selectedChunk into W2
>>    put (W2 - 1) into W!
>>       get charToNumber(char W2 to W1 of fld "MyGuff")
>>       put it into UNIQ
>>    put uniEncode("The insertion point is between '") into P1
>>    put uniEncode("' and '") into P2
>>    put uniEncode("'") into P3
>>    set the unicodeText of fld "WhereAreWe" to P1&  numToChar(UNIK)&  P2&  numToChar(UNIQ)&  P3
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> detects a SPACE when the insertion point is BEFORE the space, but
>>
>> does NOT detect a SPACE when the insertion point is AFTER a space.
>>      
>    

to detect a SPACE one has to TURN OFF useUnicode:

set the useUnicode to false
   put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into WONKY
   get charToNum(char WONKY of fld "MyGuff")
   put it
set the useUnicode to true

"somebody", cough, cough, ought to get all this sorted out in the 
Documentation.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep  5 08:06:45 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:06:45 +0200
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>
	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

Are you doing this on a PowerPC processor? I think your script will break on a computer with x86 processor. In unicode, a space still is space & NULL on x86 platforms and NULL & space on PPC platforms. Your script seems to find a space on PPC platforms but a NULL character on x86 platforms.

--
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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

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On 5 sep 2010, at 13:57, Richmond wrote:

> Cracked It!
> And a right "@#$%^" it is too . . .  :(
>>> Running a detection script like this:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   set the useUnicode to true
>>>   put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into W4
>>>   put (W4 - 1) into W5
>>>      get charToNum(char W5 to W4 of fld "MyGuff")
>>>      put it into UNIK
>>>   put the word 2 of the selectedChunk into W2
>>>   put (W2 - 1) into W!
>>>      get charToNumber(char W2 to W1 of fld "MyGuff")
>>>      put it into UNIQ
>>>   put uniEncode("The insertion point is between '") into P1
>>>   put uniEncode("' and '") into P2
>>>   put uniEncode("'") into P3
>>>   set the unicodeText of fld "WhereAreWe" to P1&  numToChar(UNIK)&  P2&  numToChar(UNIQ)&  P3
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> detects a SPACE when the insertion point is BEFORE the space, but
>>> 
>>> does NOT detect a SPACE when the insertion point is AFTER a space.
>>>     
>>   
> 
> to detect a SPACE one has to TURN OFF useUnicode:
> 
> set the useUnicode to false
>  put the word 4 of the selectedChunk into WONKY
>  get charToNum(char WONKY of fld "MyGuff")
>  put it
> set the useUnicode to true
> 
> "somebody", cough, cough, ought to get all this sorted out in the Documentation.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 08:25:03 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:25:03 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
	<BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C838C1F.20405@gmail.com>

On 09/05/2010 03:06 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Are you doing this on a PowerPC processor? I think your script will break on a computer with x86 processor. In unicode, a space still is space&  NULL on x86 platforms and NULL&  space on PPC platforms. Your script seems to find a space on PPC platforms but a NULL character on x86 platforms.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>    

Muffled curses.

Aaaah, so as well as having to make different stacks for the Mac/WinXP 
versus Win7/Linux divide
I now have to make different stacks for PPC and x86 processors.

Lovely!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Err . . . hang on a minute . . . a null ????

Well; let me see on the Linux box whether my script works or not.

Back "in a trice"

Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 08:29:56 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:29:56 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
	<BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C838D44.1080402@gmail.com>

On 09/05/2010 03:06 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Are you doing this on a PowerPC processor? I think your script will break on a computer with x86 processor. In unicode, a space still is space&  NULL on x86 platforms and NULL&  space on PPC platforms. Your script seems to find a space on PPC platforms but a NULL character on x86 platforms.
>
>    

Well . . . talk about opening a can of worms . . .

You are quite right about the SPACE detection on an x86 processor . . .

And, what is also worrying is that Sanskrit vowel characters can't be 
entered
without preceding consonants being entered at the same time.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 08:43:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:43:28 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
	<BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C839070.6050109@gmail.com>

On 09/05/2010 03:06 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Are you doing this on a PowerPC processor? I think your script will break on a computer with x86 processor.

I am not sure what you mean by 'break'; the script does not crash the 
stack - it just doesn't detect
spaces properly.

> In unicode, a space still is space&  NULL on x86 platforms and NULL&  space on PPC platforms. Your script seems to find a space on PPC platforms but a NULL character on x86 platforms.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>    



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep  5 10:58:38 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:58:38 +0200
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <4C839070.6050109@gmail.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
	<BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4C839070.6050109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35C983E5-AE59-436E-8736-38FA8E3F1161@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

That's what I mean by break: first it works, then it doesn't.

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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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On 5 sep 2010, at 14:43, Richmond wrote:

> On 09/05/2010 03:06 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>> 
>> Are you doing this on a PowerPC processor? I think your script will break on a computer with x86 processor.
> 
> I am not sure what you mean by 'break'; the script does not crash the stack - it just doesn't detect
> spaces properly.
> 
>> In unicode, a space still is space&  NULL on x86 platforms and NULL&  space on PPC platforms. Your script seems to find a space on PPC platforms but a NULL character on x86 platforms.
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> 
>>    


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 11:21:41 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:21:41 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <35C983E5-AE59-436E-8736-38FA8E3F1161@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>	<BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C839070.6050109@gmail.com>
	<35C983E5-AE59-436E-8736-38FA8E3F1161@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C83B585.8060303@gmail.com>

On 09/05/2010 05:58 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> That's what I mean by break: first it works, then it doesn't.
>
>    

Thanks for pointing the PPC/x86 divide to me.

I am currently working on a PPC with a view to getting a PPC-compliant 
standalone up-and-running.

Then, and only then, will I take the code over to my Ubuntu box and 
start scratching my head all over again.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From steve at theworcestersource.com  Sun Sep  5 13:03:26 2010
From: steve at theworcestersource.com (theworcestersource.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OS X Textured Button custom control
Message-ID: <1283706206943-2527471.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hello everybody,

Just thought I'd drop a quick line to let you know that I've uploaded a
custom control to Rev Online. It's a nice little textured button, together
with metal/gray image and is really useful for home windows that seem to be
adorning Mac applications these days.

The stack's also available on my site on the try/buy page (don't worry about
the name of this page: the stack itself is free).

Cheers,


Steve
www.theworcestersource.com
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep  5 14:37:46 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:37:46 -0300
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
commands? I just created a function like that and it works

function mode? pMode
  return pMode is sLocalVarA["mode"]
end mode?

and I can use it like this:

if mode?("fundamenteal") then
bla bla bla
end if



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 15:28:45 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:28:45 +0300
Subject: Spaced Out
In-Reply-To: <BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C8371E1.1030502@gmail.com>	<92610C1C-AB7A-42B4-B098-92729BCFD0C6@economy-x-talk.com>	<4C8385A4.5020405@gmail.com>
	<BFC3200F-CE10-4EE4-BEDB-38EE75096C81@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C83EF6D.8010603@gmail.com>

On 09/05/2010 03:06 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Are you doing this on a PowerPC processor? I think your script will break on a computer with x86 processor. In unicode, a space still is space&  NULL on x86 platforms and NULL&  space on PPC platforms. Your script seems to find a space on PPC platforms but a NULL character on x86 platforms.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>    

Both you and I were wrong; which from the viewpoint of one lonely, lazy 
Runtine Revolutionary
fighting out his own path to Revolutionary bliss here in Bulgaria . . .

. . . Err . . . wait a minute while I punch myself in the face for that 
outburst . . .  :)

My SPACE detection script is working just fine having ported the stack 
over to the old HP-with-Ubuntu !!!!!

Betetr belt off an Intel build for my Beta testers directly from the PPC 
code and see what they have to see
about that (especially as have no Intel Mac lolling around here) . . .


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep  5 16:05:01 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 17:05:01 -0300
Subject: Mac OS X Textured Button custom control
In-Reply-To: <1283706206943-2527471.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1283706206943-2527471.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinb217qT2-uktVnK1Dt2+FAPeL4dtPTysJr4=F1@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

I like the new textured button, congratulations and thanks for that.

:D

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, theworcestersource.com <
steve at theworcestersource.com> wrote:

>
> Hello everybody,
>
> Just thought I'd drop a quick line to let you know that I've uploaded a
> custom control to Rev Online. It's a nice little textured button, together
> with metal/gray image and is really useful for home windows that seem to be
> adorning Mac applications these days.
>
> The stack's also available on my site on the try/buy page (don't worry
> about
> the name of this page: the stack itself is free).
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Steve
> www.theworcestersource.com
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Mac-OS-X-Textured-Button-custom-control-tp2527471p2527471.html
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep  5 16:28:42 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 13:28:42 -0700
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc0zzjVFLGuP-oRFQwmcm5O0vk=cvoj5jfReJv@mail.gmail.com>

I am still having trouble dealing with the effective use of setting and
clearing cookies properly using the Revolution server at On-Rev.

put new header "Set-Cookie: one=datavalue"
put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2"


Yes, that sets the values that can be recovered, but to delete the cookie by
attempting to set an early expiry date seems to fail every time.

put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2 ; expires=May 5,2010;"

put "Set-Cookie: " && tln & "=" &  urlEncode(pArray[tln]) & "; expires=" &
("March 24, 2012") & ";  path=/;" into theCookie
put new header theCookie


I have been around and around to all the forums and see the same posts about
getting put new header to work last year but nothing about actual success
setting the expiry date.

PHP makes it easy:

<?php
$value = "my cookie value";

// send a cookie that expires in 24 hours
setcookie("TestCookie",$value, time()+3600*24);
?>


Tested, PHP works, just like this. Sets the date, too.

In Rev it's as if the put new header command truncates the other parameters.


Surely someone here has a solution to this in RevTalk.

thanks

sqb




-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep  5 16:49:00 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 17:49:00 -0300
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc0zzjVFLGuP-oRFQwmcm5O0vk=cvoj5jfReJv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc0zzjVFLGuP-oRFQwmcm5O0vk=cvoj5jfReJv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Mgzuq=c8XDDFggPs13NZTNMYZ95bzLLMzqwuv@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen,

I think you are using the wrong date format for the cookie. From wikipedia:

The expiration date tells the browser when to delete the cookie. The
expiration date is specified in the "Wdy, DD-Mon-YYYY HH:MM:SS GMT"
format. As an example, the following is a cookie sent by a Web server
(the value string has been changed):

Set-Cookie: RMID=732423sdfs73242; expires=Fri, 31-Dec-2010 23:59:59
GMT; path=/; domain=.example.net

That format is similar to the internet date but it is not the internet
date. I think you will need to assemble that out of the dateitems or
something. Other way is to encode your cookie value such as it carries
expiry information on the value field itself. For example

 Set-Cookie: one=valueone#1283719646;

Then on your code you split it using # as a itemdelimiter. valueone is
your actual value, the number after the hash is "the seconds", an
exact timestamp of when the cookie was set. You can use that on your
code to invalidate a cookie if needed. This puts the control of
expiration on your hands.

Andre

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> I am still having trouble dealing with the effective use of setting and
> clearing cookies properly using the Revolution server at On-Rev.
>
> put new header "Set-Cookie: one=datavalue"
> put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2"
>
>
> Yes, that sets the values that can be recovered, but to delete the cookie by
> attempting to set an early expiry date seems to fail every time.
>
> put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2 ; expires=May 5,2010;"
>
> put "Set-Cookie: " && tln & "=" & ?urlEncode(pArray[tln]) & "; expires=" &
> ("March 24, 2012") & "; ?path=/;" into theCookie
> put new header theCookie
>
>
> I have been around and around to all the forums and see the same posts about
> getting put new header to work last year but nothing about actual success
> setting the expiry date.
>
> PHP makes it easy:
>
> <?php
> $value = "my cookie value";
>
> // send a cookie that expires in 24 hours
> setcookie("TestCookie",$value, time()+3600*24);
> ?>
>
>
> Tested, PHP works, just like this. Sets the date, too.
>
> In Rev it's as if the put new header command truncates the other parameters.
>
>
> Surely someone here has a solution to this in RevTalk.
>
> thanks
>
> sqb
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb ?<http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep  5 17:01:09 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:01:09 -0700
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
	function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:37:46 AM, you wrote:

> Folks,

> Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
> commands? I just created a function like that and it works

...it gets worse... see bz #8048

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  5 17:12:28 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:12:28 -0500
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
Message-ID: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>

  I had this problem once before but I can't find the solution to it 
now.  What's happening is I have a lot of information to show in a DG 
table (lots of columns).  In order to make it all fit, skinny columns 
like Sex and Age have been abbreviated to "S" and "A" respectively. The 
problem is that there appears to be some sort of "border" around the 
column headers so that I can only see a few dots from the middle of 
those two characters in the header making them unreadable.

I tried changing the header margins but that just moves the text in the 
header up.  How can I get rid of the blank space on either side of the 
column header text?

Thanks in advance!

Len Morgan


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  5 17:15:52 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:15:52 -0500
Subject: Another Data Grid problem
Message-ID: <4C840888.7090500@crcom.net>

  I have set a button to contain the custom behavior for my data grid 
table.  However, the selectionChanged is never getting sent.  All of the 
other handlers are being called in that button so I'm not sure what's 
going on.  What I need to do is when a new line is selected, I need to 
get the contents of the first column of the (now) selected row, then get 
the data for that from the database.

Thanks again!

Len Morgan


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep  5 17:21:46 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 18:21:46 -0300
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=T1oaDSsjyZ6xSSPa3Oy5o0TmW7QA4G8kMhmRq@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> Andre-
>
> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:37:46 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>
>> Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
>> commands? I just created a function like that and it works
>
> ...it gets worse... see bz #8048

:-O

We can now have our own "obfuscated code contest!"

If I name a variable @ then can I create a command like

command ? @@
  bla bla bla
end ?

where I call it ? and pass @ by-reference...

:-O

PS: PowerDebug is really cool!



>
> --
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> ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 17:32:57 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 23:32:57 +0200
Subject: Another Data Grid problem
In-Reply-To: <4C840888.7090500@crcom.net>
References: <4C840888.7090500@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3d=BaMouHsfMgVp0=uc2F=kCcsW+qTVvJ2tdm@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> ?I have set a button to contain the custom behavior for my data grid table.
> ?However, the selectionChanged is never getting sent. ?All of the other
> handlers are being called in that button so I'm not sure what's going on.
> ?What I need to do is when a new line is selected, I need to get the
> contents of the first column of the (now) selected row, then get the data
> for that from the database.
>
> Thanks again!
>

Hi Len,

Have a look to this lesson:
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7313-How-Do-I-Get-Data-Associated-With-a-Row-or-Column-

Try to place your selectionChanged handler in the datagrid group
instead of the custom column behavior.


Regards,
-- 
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http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 17:40:37 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 23:40:37 +0200
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> ?I had this problem once before but I can't find the solution to it now.
> ?What's happening is I have a lot of information to show in a DG table (lots
> of columns). ?In order to make it all fit, skinny columns like Sex and Age
> have been abbreviated to "S" and "A" respectively. The problem is that there
> appears to be some sort of "border" around the column headers so that I can
> only see a few dots from the middle of those two characters in the header
> making them unreadable.
>
> I tried changing the header margins but that just moves the text in the
> header up. ?How can I get rid of the blank space on either side of the
> column header text?
>

Len,

Could you precise:
- the width of your column?
- the margins you applied?


Thanks


Regards,
-- 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep  5 17:46:20 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:46:20 -0700
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Mgzuq=c8XDDFggPs13NZTNMYZ95bzLLMzqwuv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc0zzjVFLGuP-oRFQwmcm5O0vk=cvoj5jfReJv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Mgzuq=c8XDDFggPs13NZTNMYZ95bzLLMzqwuv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZD=CjwF5u3U-6C6zvYgXXoepyL7feG=4Hc-sa@mail.gmail.com>

That was it. The date format.  Thanks very much, Andre.

sqb

On 5 September 2010 13:49, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> I think you are using the wrong date format for the cookie. From wikipedia:
>
> The expiration date tells the browser when to delete the cookie. The
> expiration date is specified in the "Wdy, DD-Mon-YYYY HH:MM:SS GMT"
> format. As an example, the following is a cookie sent by a Web server
> (the value string has been changed):
>
> Set-Cookie: RMID=732423sdfs73242; expires=Fri, 31-Dec-2010 23:59:59
> GMT; path=/; domain=.example.net
>
> That format is similar to the internet date but it is not the internet
> date. I think you will need to assemble that out of the dateitems or
> something. Other way is to encode your cookie value such as it carries
> expiry information on the value field itself. For example
>
>  Set-Cookie: one=valueone#1283719646;
>
> Then on your code you split it using # as a itemdelimiter. valueone is
> your actual value, the number after the hash is "the seconds", an
> exact timestamp of when the cookie was set. You can use that on your
> code to invalidate a cookie if needed. This puts the control of
> expiration on your hands.
>
> Andre
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, stephen barncard
> <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am still having trouble dealing with the effective use of setting and
> > clearing cookies properly using the Revolution server at On-Rev.
> >
> > put new header "Set-Cookie: one=datavalue"
> > put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2"
> >
> >
> > Yes, that sets the values that can be recovered, but to delete the cookie
> by
> > attempting to set an early expiry date seems to fail every time.
> >
> > put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2 ; expires=May 5,2010;"
> >
> > put "Set-Cookie: " && tln & "=" &  urlEncode(pArray[tln]) & "; expires="
> &
> > ("March 24, 2012") & ";  path=/;" into theCookie
> > put new header theCookie
> >
> >
> > I have been around and around to all the forums and see the same posts
> about
> > getting put new header to work last year but nothing about actual success
> > setting the expiry date.
> >
> > PHP makes it easy:
> >
> > <?php
> > $value = "my cookie value";
> >
> > // send a cookie that expires in 24 hours
> > setcookie("TestCookie",$value, time()+3600*24);
> > ?>
> >
> >
> > Tested, PHP works, just like this. Sets the date, too.
> >
> > In Rev it's as if the put new header command truncates the other
> parameters.
> >
> >
> > Surely someone here has a solution to this in RevTalk.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > sqb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  5 17:45:39 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:45:39 -0500
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>

  On 9/5/2010 4:40 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Len Morgan<len-morgan at crcom.net>  wrote:
>>   I had this problem once before but I can't find the solution to it now.
>>   What's happening is I have a lot of information to show in a DG table (lots
>> of columns).  In order to make it all fit, skinny columns like Sex and Age
>> have been abbreviated to "S" and "A" respectively. The problem is that there
>> appears to be some sort of "border" around the column headers so that I can
>> only see a few dots from the middle of those two characters in the header
>> making them unreadable.
>>
>> I tried changing the header margins but that just moves the text in the
>> header up.  How can I get rid of the blank space on either side of the
>> column header text?
>>
> Len,
>
> Could you precise:
> - the width of your column?
> - the margins you applied?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Regards,
As an example, the column for sex (Label = "S") is set for 30.  The 
margins were originally whatever the default is.  I changed it to 1 and 
the text rolled up.  I'm only worried about the right and left of the 
header text.  The vertical orientation is fine.

With the header text "Room" and a column width of 58, the first couple 
of columns of pixels in the "R" are cutoff.  There is more than enough 
room in the header field, it's just adding space on either side.

len


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep  5 17:48:40 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 18:48:40 -0300
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZD=CjwF5u3U-6C6zvYgXXoepyL7feG=4Hc-sa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc0zzjVFLGuP-oRFQwmcm5O0vk=cvoj5jfReJv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Mgzuq=c8XDDFggPs13NZTNMYZ95bzLLMzqwuv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ZD=CjwF5u3U-6C6zvYgXXoepyL7feG=4Hc-sa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1pY3ErkSDS_7C4S0j1Y5h9sJE8wGAG9-KaZGn@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> That was it. The date format. ?Thanks very much, Andre.

;-) been hurt by that more than once.

>
> sqb
>
> On 5 September 2010 13:49, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> I think you are using the wrong date format for the cookie. From wikipedia:
>>
>> The expiration date tells the browser when to delete the cookie. The
>> expiration date is specified in the "Wdy, DD-Mon-YYYY HH:MM:SS GMT"
>> format. As an example, the following is a cookie sent by a Web server
>> (the value string has been changed):
>>
>> Set-Cookie: RMID=732423sdfs73242; expires=Fri, 31-Dec-2010 23:59:59
>> GMT; path=/; domain=.example.net
>>
>> That format is similar to the internet date but it is not the internet
>> date. I think you will need to assemble that out of the dateitems or
>> something. Other way is to encode your cookie value such as it carries
>> expiry information on the value field itself. For example
>>
>> ?Set-Cookie: one=valueone#1283719646;
>>
>> Then on your code you split it using # as a itemdelimiter. valueone is
>> your actual value, the number after the hash is "the seconds", an
>> exact timestamp of when the cookie was set. You can use that on your
>> code to invalidate a cookie if needed. This puts the control of
>> expiration on your hands.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, stephen barncard
>> <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am still having trouble dealing with the effective use of setting and
>> > clearing cookies properly using the Revolution server at On-Rev.
>> >
>> > put new header "Set-Cookie: one=datavalue"
>> > put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2"
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, that sets the values that can be recovered, but to delete the cookie
>> by
>> > attempting to set an early expiry date seems to fail every time.
>> >
>> > put new header "Set-Cookie: two=datavalue2 ; expires=May 5,2010;"
>> >
>> > put "Set-Cookie: " && tln & "=" & ?urlEncode(pArray[tln]) & "; expires="
>> &
>> > ("March 24, 2012") & "; ?path=/;" into theCookie
>> > put new header theCookie
>> >
>> >
>> > I have been around and around to all the forums and see the same posts
>> about
>> > getting put new header to work last year but nothing about actual success
>> > setting the expiry date.
>> >
>> > PHP makes it easy:
>> >
>> > <?php
>> > $value = "my cookie value";
>> >
>> > // send a cookie that expires in 24 hours
>> > setcookie("TestCookie",$value, time()+3600*24);
>> > ?>
>> >
>> >
>> > Tested, PHP works, just like this. Sets the date, too.
>> >
>> > In Rev it's as if the put new header command truncates the other
>> parameters.
>> >
>> >
>> > Surely someone here has a solution to this in RevTalk.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> > sqb
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Stephen Barncard
>> > San Francisco Ca. USA
>> >
>> > more about sqb ?<http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 18:07:36 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 00:07:36 +0200
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrO00PRLhjOPZ7y3KF9r+m=z+UrRGPDioa_YR3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> ?On 9/5/2010 4:40 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Len Morgan<len-morgan at crcom.net> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I had this problem once before but I can't find the solution to it now.
>>> ?What's happening is I have a lot of information to show in a DG table
>>> (lots
>>> of columns). ?In order to make it all fit, skinny columns like Sex and
>>> Age
>>> have been abbreviated to "S" and "A" respectively. The problem is that
>>> there
>>> appears to be some sort of "border" around the column headers so that I
>>> can
>>> only see a few dots from the middle of those two characters in the header
>>> making them unreadable.
>>>
>>> I tried changing the header margins but that just moves the text in the
>>> header up. ?How can I get rid of the blank space on either side of the
>>> column header text?
>>>
>> Len,
>>
>> Could you precise:
>> - the width of your column?
>> - the margins you applied?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>
> As an example, the column for sex (Label = "S") is set for 30. ?The margins
> were originally whatever the default is. ?I changed it to 1 and the text
> rolled up. ?I'm only worried about the right and left of the header text.
> ?The vertical orientation is fine.
>
> With the header text "Room" and a column width of 58, the first couple of
> columns of pixels in the "R" are cutoff. ?There is more than enough room in
> the header field, it's just adding space on either side.
>

Len,

The ideal min size is 40.
I gave your problem a try. It seems to me that the content of your
columns is centered. In this case, changing the margins with the
"header margins" do nothing, because the field displaying the header
title has a width of 2 pixels.

If you can give 10 more pixels for those two columns, all will be ok.
Otherwise, for now I don't see any workaround.


Regards,
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 18:10:32 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:10:32 +0300
Subject: Updated versions
Message-ID: <4C841558.10903@gmail.com>

  Dear Sivakatirswami,

   I was having a spot of bother with the DELETE key inside the 
textField: these versions have that sorted out:

i.e. they are NOT the same as the ones I mentioned in the last message.

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PRO/SSC/DWProD4PPC.zip


http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PRO/SSC/DWProD4Intel.zip

sorry to be a "pain in the bum" but for some reason unknown I am 
managing to sort out
quite a lot of things quite rapidly at present.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  5 18:34:43 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:34:43 -0500
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrO00PRLhjOPZ7y3KF9r+m=z+UrRGPDioa_YR3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTimrO00PRLhjOPZ7y3KF9r+m=z+UrRGPDioa_YR3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C841B03.5070801@crcom.net>


> Len,
>
> The ideal min size is 40.
> I gave your problem a try. It seems to me that the content of your
> columns is centered. In this case, changing the margins with the
> "header margins" do nothing, because the field displaying the header
> title has a width of 2 pixels.
>
> If you can give 10 more pixels for those two columns, all will be ok.
> Otherwise, for now I don't see any workaround.
>
>
> Regards,

"Ideal" according to who?  Is that a Rev limitation or part of the Data 
Grid?  It seems to be awfully large.  I did expand those columns (and 
reduced the width of another to make them fit) so it's all "working" 
now.  It sure would be nice if we could lower that limit though.

len


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Sep  5 18:58:34 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 08:58:34 +1000
Subject: focus border color
Message-ID: <B23EE4CB-82BA-47CA-B030-C766BB0C4C45@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi

the effective focusColor is returning black when I can see that it's a bluish color

Any way to find the focus border color?

Cheers

Monte

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  5 19:31:42 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:31:42 -0500
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C84285E.9040605@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/5/10 1:37 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
> commands? I just created a function like that and it works
>
> function mode? pMode
>    return pMode is sLocalVarA["mode"]
> end mode?
>
> and I can use it like this:
>
> if mode?("fundamenteal") then
> bla bla bla
> end if
>
>
>

It was valid in HC too.

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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Sep  5 19:35:51 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:35:51 +1000
Subject: focus border color
In-Reply-To: <B23EE4CB-82BA-47CA-B030-C766BB0C4C45@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <C8AA6677.C43B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

It looks like focusColor is broken on OSX at least as setting it either at
the stack or object level has no effect. I always get the standard bluish
color irrespective of what color I set the focusColor to (querying the
focusColor correctly reports the color I have 'applied').

Terry...


On 6/09/10 8:58 AM, "Monte Goulding" <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> the effective focusColor is returning black when I can see that it's a bluish
> color
> 
> Any way to find the focus border color?
> 
> Cheers
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 19:40:48 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 01:40:48 +0200
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <4C841B03.5070801@crcom.net>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTimrO00PRLhjOPZ7y3KF9r+m=z+UrRGPDioa_YR3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C841B03.5070801@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmToV3_yzAMRU-ZpK_7Nry2O3sRc_ZNVXCcU4N@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
>
>> Len,
>>
>> The ideal min size is 40.
>> I gave your problem a try. It seems to me that the content of your
>> columns is centered. In this case, changing the margins with the
>> "header margins" do nothing, because the field displaying the header
>> title has a width of 2 pixels.
>>
>> If you can give 10 more pixels for those two columns, all will be ok.
>> Otherwise, for now I don't see any workaround.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>
> "Ideal" according to who? ?Is that a Rev limitation or part of the Data
> Grid? ?It seems to be awfully large. ?I did expand those columns (and
> reduced the width of another to make them fit) so it's all "working" now.
> ?It sure would be nice if we could lower that limit though.
>

"Ideal" according to my quick test, sorry. So I correct myself: 40
seems to be the ideal width.

Here is a workaround if you have no need to sort your two columns. You
have to define a default header behavior and change the layoutControl
handler. The header width of a datagrid seems to take care of the
width of the "sort arrow" you can have in the header in case you want
to sort a column.

on LayoutControl pControlRect
    -- Position all of the controls within the header
    put the loc of me into theLoc
    set the margins of field 1 of me to the dgProps["header margins"]
of the dgControl of me
    set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
    set the rect of field 1 of me to pControlRect
    set the left of graphic "LeftHilite" of me to item 1 of pControlRect
    set the right of graphic "RightHilite" of me to item 3 of pControlRect

    -- Position field and sort arrow --> Your width problem should be here
    put the width of button "SortArrow" of me into theArrowWidth
    set the loc of button "SortArrow" of me to item 3 of pControlRect
- (round(theArrowWidth / 2) + 5), item 2 of the loc of me
    add 5 to theArrowWidth
    if the textAlign of field 1 of me is "center" then
        set the rect of field 1 of me to item 1 of pControlRect, item
2 of pControlRect, \
                item 1 of pControlRect + ( (item 3 of pControlRect -
item 1 of pControlRect) - (theArrowWidth * 2) ), \
                item 4 of pControlRect
        set the loc of field 1 of me to theLoc
    else
        if the visible of button "SortArrow" of me then
            set the rect of field 1 of me to item 1 of pControlRect,
item 2 of pControlRect, \
                    item 1 of pControlRect + ( (item 3 of pControlRect
- item 1 of pControlRect) - theArrowWidth ), \
                    item 4 of pControlRect
        else
            set the rect of field 1 of me to item 1 of pControlRect,
item 2 of pControlRect, \
                    item 1 of pControlRect + ( (item 3 of pControlRect
- item 1 of pControlRect) ), \
                    item 4 of pControlRect
        end if
    end if
end LayoutControl

The lesson to change the header behavior is here:
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid_tips/lessons/7351-How-Do-I-Add-Tooltips-To-Column-Headers-


HTH


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Sep  5 19:46:41 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:46:41 +1000
Subject: focus border color
In-Reply-To: <C8AA6677.C43B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C8AA6677.C43B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <A4AEC1BB-C648-454B-A6C7-579441F944E4@sweattechnologies.com>

Ah, anyone know the RGB values for that OS X focus border then?

On 06/09/2010, at 9:35 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

> It looks like focusColor is broken on OSX at least as setting it either at
> the stack or object level has no effect. I always get the standard bluish
> color irrespective of what color I set the focusColor to (querying the
> focusColor correctly reports the color I have 'applied').



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep  5 19:50:37 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:50:37 -0700
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <57273967093.20100905165037@ahsoftware.net>

Len-

Sunday, September 5, 2010, 2:45:39 PM, you wrote:

> As an example, the column for sex (Label = "S") is set for 30.  The

...I thought about commenting on "column for sex" but decided against
it...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Sep  5 19:50:48 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:50:48 +1000
Subject: focus border color
In-Reply-To: <A4AEC1BB-C648-454B-A6C7-579441F944E4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <C8AA69F8.C441%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Based on the colors in the Apple Developer palette it seems to be 67,138,208

Terry...


On 6/09/10 9:46 AM, "Monte Goulding" <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

> Ah, anyone know the RGB values for that OS X focus border then?
> 
> On 06/09/2010, at 9:35 AM, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>> It looks like focusColor is broken on OSX at least as setting it either at
>> the stack or object level has no effect. I always get the standard bluish
>> color irrespective of what color I set the focusColor to (querying the
>> focusColor correctly reports the color I have 'applied').
> 
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The University of Melbourne




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  5 22:28:42 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:28:42 -0500
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <57273967093.20100905165037@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
	<57273967093.20100905165037@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C8451DA.80901@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/5/10 6:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Len-
>
> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 2:45:39 PM, you wrote:
>
>> As an example, the column for sex (Label = "S") is set for 30.  The
>
> ...I thought about commenting on "column for sex" but decided against
> it...
>

No you didn't. ;) But I confess I wondered why they had to wait till 30.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep  5 22:29:43 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:29:43 -1000
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
Message-ID: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org>

  For some reason, I've never been able to get menu accelerator keys to 
work as expected.

the dictionary entry on this makes sense, but could use some examples.  
Seems straight forward enough...

The syntax for menu item strings is:
   [<flags>] <label> ['/' <accelerator> ['|' <tag>]]

where <accelerator>

would be, in my case: <modifiers> <char>

A very common requirement is Find and Find Again. This looks correct to me:

Find/^ F
Find Again/^G

The menu shows the cmd symbol (os x) and the letter, but cmd-f does 
nothing but invoke the IDE's find dialog; if I turn of development 
tools, it still does not work.  I tried these, since the IDE does not 
use them... as a test...

Find/^U
Find Again/^L

But they are still unresponsive... and, if you enter an upper case 
character, does that mean the user has to use the shift key to make it 
work? I tried both, cmd-shift-U and cmd-U.

neither work.

What am I missing?  Will these *only* work in a standalone?

Thanks
Sivakatirswami


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep  5 22:35:47 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:35:47 -0700
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
In-Reply-To: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org>
References: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjnEEezHvhZMdqm0WMDZbHFL0MSOG-5ryRiMQ2@mail.gmail.com>

Swami, can't you just "Suspend Developer Tools" in the Developer menu?

On 5 September 2010 19:29, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

>  For some reason, I've never been able to get menu accelerator keys to work
> as expected.
>
> the dictionary entry on this makes sense, but could use some examples.
>  Seems straight forward enough...
>
> The syntax for menu item strings is:
>  [<flags>] <label> ['/' <accelerator> ['|' <tag>]]
>
> where <accelerator>
>
> would be, in my case: <modifiers> <char>
>
> A very common requirement is Find and Find Again. This looks correct to me:
>
> Find/^ F
> Find Again/^G
>
> The menu shows the cmd symbol (os x) and the letter, but cmd-f does nothing
> but invoke the IDE's find dialog; if I turn of development tools, it still
> does not work.  I tried these, since the IDE does not use them... as a
> test...
>
> Find/^U
> Find Again/^L
>
> But they are still unresponsive... and, if you enter an upper case
> character, does that mean the user has to use the shift key to make it work?
> I tried both, cmd-shift-U and cmd-U.
>
> neither work.
>
> What am I missing?  Will these *only* work in a standalone?
>
> Thanks
> Sivakatirswami
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  5 22:48:48 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:48:48 -0500
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
In-Reply-To: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org>
References: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4C845690.1040508@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/5/10 9:29 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> A very common requirement is Find and Find Again. This looks correct to me:
>
> Find/^ F
> Find Again/^G
>
> The menu shows the cmd symbol (os x) and the letter, but cmd-f does
> nothing but invoke the IDE's find dialog; if I turn of development
> tools, it still does not work. I tried these, since the IDE does not use
> them... as a test...

All you should need is the slash and letter, like this:

Find/F
Find Again/G

These should work whenever your stack menu is the system menu, (i.e., 
you stack menu has focus, it's in a standalone, or you suspend 
development tools.) The IDE catches the keystrokes if it has the focus.

I think you only need to use the control character ("^") if it is to be 
coupled with another one, like Cmd-Opt for example. But you're right we 
could use some examples in the docs. The release notes had a few.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at altuit.com  Sun Sep  5 23:04:56 2010
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:04:56 -0700
Subject: [OT] PING
Message-ID: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>

Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. 
http://bit.ly/dn5AON

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep  5 23:59:18 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:59:18 -1000
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
In-Reply-To: <4C845690.1040508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org> <4C845690.1040508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C846716.6080104@hindu.org>

  On 9/5/10 4:48 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> All you should need is the slash and letter, like this:
>
> Find/F
> Find Again/G
>
> These should work whenever your stack menu is the system menu, (i.e., 
> you stack menu has focus, it's in a standalone, or you suspend 
> development tools.) The IDE catches the keystrokes if it has the focus.
>
> I think you only need to use the control character ("^") if it is to 
> be coupled with another one, like Cmd-Opt for example. But you're 
> right we could use some examples in the docs. The release notes had a 
> few.

Find/F
Find Again/G

does not work , repeat... no go.. in fact I tried this first and when it 
did not work, (with suspend development tools on) that's when I tried 
using the additional "^" char....


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Sep  6 00:02:07 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:02:07 -1000
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikjnEEezHvhZMdqm0WMDZbHFL0MSOG-5ryRiMQ2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org>
	<AANLkTikjnEEezHvhZMdqm0WMDZbHFL0MSOG-5ryRiMQ2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C8467BF.8010406@hindu.org>

  Yes,  did that.... still after IDE is suspended, the accelerator keys 
don't work.

This has plagued me for years...

On 9/5/10 4:35 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> Swami, can't you just "Suspend Developer Tools" in the Developer menu?
>
> On 5 September 2010 19:29, Sivakatirswami<katir at hindu.org>  wrote:
>
>>   For some reason, I've never been able to get menu accelerator keys to work
>> as expected.
>>
>> the dictionary entry on this makes sense, but could use some examples.
>>   Seems straight forward enough...
>>
>> The syntax for menu item strings is:
>>   [<flags>]<label>  ['/'<accelerator>  ['|'<tag>]]
>>
>> where<accelerator>
>>
>> would be, in my case:<modifiers>  <char>
>>
>> A very common requirement is Find and Find Again. This looks correct to me:
>>
>> Find/^ F
>> Find Again/^G
>>
>> The menu shows the cmd symbol (os x) and the letter, but cmd-f does nothing
>> but invoke the IDE's find dialog; if I turn of development tools, it still
>> does not work.  I tried these, since the IDE does not use them... as a
>> test...
>>
>> Find/^U
>> Find Again/^L
>>
>> But they are still unresponsive... and, if you enter an upper case
>> character, does that mean the user has to use the shift key to make it work?
>> I tried both, cmd-shift-U and cmd-U.
>>
>> neither work.
>>
>> What am I missing?  Will these *only* work in a standalone?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sivakatirswami
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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>
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep  6 02:53:00 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:53:00 -0500
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
In-Reply-To: <4C846716.6080104@hindu.org>
References: <4C845217.9040702@hindu.org> <4C845690.1040508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C846716.6080104@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4C848FCC.5030207@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/5/10 10:59 PM, Web Admin Himalayan Academy wrote:

> Find/F
> Find Again/G
>
> does not work , repeat... no go.. in fact I tried this first and when it
> did not work, (with suspend development tools on) that's when I tried
> using the additional "^" char....

Odd, I've been using that forever. I wonder if you've hit the bug where 
menu keys don't always trigger. It was an issue in the IDE too. You 
could try a test to see if that's the problem. If I remember right, 
choosing the menu item with the mouse will "activate" the menu. After 
that, keyboard shortcuts work again. If that's what happens in your 
stack, then your menu commands are correct but the engine isn't seeing them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From biodan at biodan.org  Sun Sep  5 18:18:18 2010
From: biodan at biodan.org (biodan)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:18:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <BBE0ADC3-AD77-46C9-B99C-9A7C2152B7C9@derbrill.de>
References: <DD4951BB-AC28-4BDE-8453-07E04A3854F5@derbrill.de>
	<BBE0ADC3-AD77-46C9-B99C-9A7C2152B7C9@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1283725098193-2527750.post@n4.nabble.com>


I can confirm that the absolute file path does work using the Rev 4.0 (build
950) IDE in OSX but revCopyFile does not work from the command-line.

Also, in OS X, calling the shell from a Terminal session does not work
either: e.g. 

put $HOME &"/Desktop/test.txt" into tInfile
put $HOME &"/Desktop/outDir" into tOutDir

put "cp tInfile tOutDir" into tCmd
put shell(tCmd)

-- Nothing is returned either
-- 
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revCopyFile-problems-on-Mac-OS-X-6-4-tp2402998p2527750.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From th.douez at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 04:42:52 2010
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:42:52 +0200
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <1283725098193-2527750.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <DD4951BB-AC28-4BDE-8453-07E04A3854F5@derbrill.de>
	<BBE0ADC3-AD77-46C9-B99C-9A7C2152B7C9@derbrill.de>
	<1283725098193-2527750.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4045C960-6A21-4941-B79E-B71157DA200B@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 6 sept. 2010 ? 00:18, biodan a ?crit :

> ... shell from a Terminal session does not work

Hi.

Yes it works !

> put $HOME &"/Desktop/test.txt" into tInfile
> put $HOME &"/Desktop/outDir" into tOutDir
> put "cp tInfile tOutDir" into tCmd
> put shell(tCmd)


Just commenting your last line and write :

put tCmd

should have given you enough explanation...

Personally,  I never use this error prone syntax of putting vars inside quoted strings...

##### One way to do it :

put "cp" && q( tInfile) && q( tOutDir) into tCmd
put shell( tCmd )
end mouseUp

function q t
   return quote & t & quote
end q

##### Another way which I prefer :

get format( "cp   ' %s '   ' %s ' ", tInfile, tOutDir )
put shell( it )

##### A variation of it, which is how I code :

on mouseUp
   get shell( format( "cp   '%s' '%s'",      \
          $HOME & "/Desktop/test.txt" , \
          $HOME & "/Desktop/outDir"     ) )
end mouseUp

And I'm sure others can point out different writing style.....
Be happy with yours, but check/test/test and test.... your code.
put and answer commands are good friends for that.

Regards,
Thierry



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 05:24:25 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:24:25 +0200
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <4C8451DA.80901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>
	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>
	<57273967093.20100905165037@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8451DA.80901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=U8w_8WM1tQVfs_3YuH=9nUDbSqmvpbeMgQYR@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:28 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/10 6:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>> Len-
>>
>> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 2:45:39 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>> As an example, the column for sex (Label = "S") is set for 30. ?The
>>
>> ...I thought about commenting on "column for sex" but decided against
>> it...
>>
>
> No you didn't. ;) But I confess I wondered why they had to wait till 30.

Why I'm hesitant now to confirm that the ideal min size should be 40?

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Sep  6 06:18:50 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:18:50 +0100
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 6 Sep 2010, at 04:04, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. 
> http://bit.ly/dn5AON

Is this a trick question, Chipp? 

Anyway, I agree with whatever your thoughts are, unless they're wrong. :-)

Dave



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 06:48:10 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:48:10 +0300
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4C84C6EA.6030808@gmail.com>

On 09/06/2010 01:18 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2010, at 04:04, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>    
>> Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews.
>> http://bit.ly/dn5AON
>>      
> Is this a trick question, Chipp?
>
> Anyway, I agree with whatever your thoughts are, unless they're wrong. :-)
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
>    

All social networks raise "concerns"; of course they do; normally those 
concerns are
raised by liberal types who, oddly enough considering they consider 
themselves 'liberal',
are worried about how these social networks might be used to pollute the 
minds of the "tinies";
and the "tinies" and other tiny-minded types might get up to 'naughty 
things'. And, as 'liberals' they
are busy thinking up ways to restrict access to social networks, 
forgetting that most people
who really want to do "naughty things" will do them, regardless.

Well; these things could happen.

However; we should all be the keepers of our own consciences, and not 
"air our dirty
linen" in places where it can be spread around the world lickety-split 
(i.e. on the internet).

Water does find its own level; some is pretty murky, and best avoided - 
but as God gave us
brains it is up to us to use them.

Some of the things silly people put of FaceBook are incredible . . .

Mind you, some other people, who have developed mental filters, use 
these social networks
for "nice things".

Well; there's a fairly right-wing opinion for you.

Come on, let's hear a well thought-out socialist opinion to even things 
up . . .  :)

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 11:19:24 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 08:19:24 -0700
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <2329694453.20100906081924@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:04:56 PM, you wrote:

> Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews.
> http://bit.ly/dn5AON

Hadn't heard about Ping until your note, but I like Eric Schwarz's
comment (pasted here because I can't figure out how to set a link to
it):

"There is a fundamental openness and chaos in a community, they feel
they must suppress that lack of control. They don't like chaos. A
community is created by its audience. Apple wants to control ALL
aspects of their products. When your product is a community that won't
work. When your product is a community your product is mostly created
by its users."

...maybe it's because I've just spent a virtual weekend deeply
immersed in Burning Man, but the idea of creating a social network
from the top down is just weird. Schwarz's quote sounds to me very
much like a description of the community of this list.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 12:13:26 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:13:26 +0300
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <2329694453.20100906081924@ahsoftware.net>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<2329694453.20100906081924@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C851326.3070807@gmail.com>

On 09/06/2010 06:19 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Chipp-
>
> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:04:56 PM, you wrote:
>
>    
>> Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews.
>> http://bit.ly/dn5AON
>>      
> Hadn't heard about Ping until your note, but I like Eric Schwarz's
> comment (pasted here because I can't figure out how to set a link to
> it):
>
> "There is a fundamental openness and chaos in a community, they feel
> they must suppress that lack of control. They don't like chaos. A
> community is created by its audience. Apple wants to control ALL
> aspects of their products. When your product is a community that won't
> work. When your product is a community your product is mostly created
> by its users."
>
>    

Arr, arr, arr "tis the RunRev Use-List.

> ...maybe it's because I've just spent a virtual weekend deeply
> immersed in Burning Man, but the idea of creating a social network
> from the top down is just weird. Schwarz's quote sounds to me very
> much like a description of the community of this list.
>
>    



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Sep  6 12:36:42 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:36:42 -0400
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <20100906030450.2DA7F2881EB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100906030450.2DA7F2881EB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <520665BF-48D2-4E53-8C7C-5E205B7C2685@videotron.ca>

Hi Stephen,

Just to add to Andre's tip, I've found the setting and getting of cookies to be extremely finicky.  One thing that tripped me up for about four hours was the placement of <?rev in scripts.  It must appear in the very first line of any script involving cookies.  Leave a blank first line, and it is possible that everything in a script will work except for things having to do with cookies!

Regards,

Gregory


On Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 11:04 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:46:20 -0700
> From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> Subject: Re: Cookies again: Expiry Date
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTi=ZD=CjwF5u3U-6C6zvYgXXoepyL7feG=4Hc-sa at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> That was it. The date format.  Thanks very much, Andre.
> 
> sqb



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Sep  6 12:39:46 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:39:46 -0500
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=U8w_8WM1tQVfs_3YuH=9nUDbSqmvpbeMgQYR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C8407BC.7030000@crcom.net>	<AANLkTiktRnMzXPSOTqzGiFuRzdU2rXH1rszM+5t0KXUh@mail.gmail.com>	<4C840F83.1010005@crcom.net>	<57273967093.20100905165037@ahsoftware.net>	<4C8451DA.80901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTik=U8w_8WM1tQVfs_3YuH=9nUDbSqmvpbeMgQYR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C851952.8090805@crcom.net>

  With this group it's sometimes hard to determine who is kidding and 
who is just confused (I tend to be the later most of the time).  Just to 
clarify, the "... is set for 30 ..." refers to the size (of the COLUMN 
Mark) that I want.  This county jail holds both male and female inmates 
so I need to let them know which is which (you can't always tell from 
the mug shots!) so they know who to put where.  The inmates might like 
the mixup but I'm sure the authorities might object.  By the way, I also 
turn a field a nice sky blue for males and pretty pink for girls.  I 
needed the "S" field in case they get a color blind officer.

Thanks for the help though!

len


On 9/6/2010 4:24 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:28 AM, J. Landman Gay<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>  wrote:
>> On 9/5/10 6:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> Len-
>>>
>>> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 2:45:39 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an example, the column for sex (Label = "S") is set for 30.  The
>>> ...I thought about commenting on "column for sex" but decided against
>>> it...
>>>
>> No you didn't. ;) But I confess I wondered why they had to wait till 30.
> Why I'm hesitant now to confirm that the ideal min size should be 40?
>



From massung at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 12:45:30 2010
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:45:30 -0500
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZD=CjwF5u3U-6C6zvYgXXoepyL7feG=4Hc-sa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc0zzjVFLGuP-oRFQwmcm5O0vk=cvoj5jfReJv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Mgzuq=c8XDDFggPs13NZTNMYZ95bzLLMzqwuv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ZD=CjwF5u3U-6C6zvYgXXoepyL7feG=4Hc-sa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMg+Nt9FRKnsVycjf8QjhNvQZTAq_oAfrtUyDo@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> That was it. The date format.  Thanks very much, Andre.
>
>
Stephen,

I don't know what you are using this particular cookie for, but just thought
I'd comment on something for everyone else following the thread...

If you are dealing with logins and using a cookie for that, I find it is
usually bad practice to use an expired cookie for that as opposed to
handling the expire server-side: typically within the database itself, and
letting the cookie just be a unique identifier that tells the server what
row in the database to be looking at. It makes the cookie cleaner and is
more secure.

Jeff M.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep  6 12:45:50 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:45:50 -0300
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <520665BF-48D2-4E53-8C7C-5E205B7C2685@videotron.ca>
References: <20100906030450.2DA7F2881EB@mail.runrev.com>
	<520665BF-48D2-4E53-8C7C-5E205B7C2685@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGWgEDvKCLW_YXN8U+_gT0g-hOzrMx8C6-vrGW@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gregory Lypny
<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Just to add to Andre's tip, I've found the setting and getting of cookies to be extremely finicky. ?One thing that tripped me up for about four hours was the placement of <?rev in scripts. ?It must appear in the very first line of any script involving cookies. ?Leave a blank first line, and it is possible that everything in a script will work except for things having to do with cookies!
>

Gregory,

That is not an actual bug but a design behaviour. RevServer engine
will output things as soon as it can, meaning that the blank line will
be sent as is back to apache server as soon as your script starts
executing. HTTP Headers must be sent to apache before actual output is
sent, so if you have a blank line on top of your file, that is treated
by the engine as "hey you want to output a blank line, fine!" and thus
all the subsequent put header calls will fail since apache will pick
that blank line and start outputing everyting as content and not as
headers.

RevServer will start the flush output process if it finds anything
that is not enclosed into a <?rev tag or if it finds the closing ?>
tag.

So if you start your code with a <?rev but closes it with a ?> and
then the output will also begin. This is good to know because of
includes, if you put ?> in your includes, the very act of including a
file will start the output. So take those ?> out of the include files.

Before anyone ask why this is so it is because PHP engine does it this
way and we decided to copy them.



> Regards,
>
> Gregory
>


-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep  6 13:30:53 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:30:53 -0700
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikGWgEDvKCLW_YXN8U+_gT0g-hOzrMx8C6-vrGW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100906030450.2DA7F2881EB@mail.runrev.com>
	<520665BF-48D2-4E53-8C7C-5E205B7C2685@videotron.ca>
	<AANLkTikGWgEDvKCLW_YXN8U+_gT0g-hOzrMx8C6-vrGW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OyBb5511Yr7ehi4BEScPBkFOPxr6pr6FcLf_+@mail.gmail.com>

I've also found that the 'normal' cookie listing in Safari security
preferences is difficult to work with - however *Develop:show web
inspector:storage pane*l shows cookies in a better way and refreshes easily.

For a while I thought my cookies weren't working - but it was because I was
setting the time and date to the current time - and that's the expiration
time and the entries wouldn't appear.

Here's my code for creating the correct format for the date:

<blockquote>

function returnCookieDate pSeconds,pGMTHours
-- returns a date compatible with cookie use:
--              Sun, 5-Sep-2010 15:25:12 GMT
--    requires setOffset, below
      if pGMTHours is empty then put "-0700" into pGMTHours
      if pSeconds is empty
      then
            put the seconds into pSeconds
      end if
      -- add or subtract zone offset (like -0700) from local to GMT in
seconds here
      put setOffset(pSeconds,pGMTHours) into pSeconds
      convert pSeconds to dateitems
      put pSeconds into tDateItems
      convert pSeconds to  internet date  --  like "Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:25:12
-0700"
      put word 1 of pSeconds into tDay
      put (word 2 of pSeconds) & "-" & (word 3 of pSeconds) & "-" & (word 4
of pSeconds) into tDate
      put word 5 of pSeconds into tTime
      replace space with "-" in tTime
      return tDay && tDate && tTime && "GMT"
end returnCookieDate

function setOffset pSecs,pGMTHours
-- 20100905
-- figures offset for time zone relating to GMT
--     example   pGMTHours = "-0700"
--     pSecs is the time in seconds
      if character 1 of pGMTHours is "-"
      then
            delete character 1 of pGMTHours
            put "-" into pSign
      else
            put "" into pSign
      end if
      put character 1 to 2 of pGMTHours into t6oFS -- chop trailing zeros
      put (t6oFS * 3600) into tOffsetHourSeconds
      switch pSign
            case it is "-"
                  put (psecs - tOffsetHourSeconds ) into pSecs
                  break
            default
                  put (tOffsetHourSeconds  + pSecs ) into pSecs
      end switch
      return pSecs
end setOffset

</blockquote>

On 6 September 2010 09:45, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gregory Lypny
> <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Just to add to Andre's tip, I've found the setting and getting of cookies
> to be extremely finicky.  One thing that tripped me up for about four hours
> was the placement of <?rev in scripts.  It must appear in the very first
> line of any script involving cookies.  Leave a blank first line, and it is
> possible that everything in a script will work except for things having to
> do with cookies!
> >
>
> Gregory,
>
> That is not an actual bug but a design behaviour. RevServer engine
> will output things as soon as it can, meaning that the blank line will
> be sent as is back to apache server as soon as your script starts
> executing. HTTP Headers must be sent to apache before actual output is
> sent, so if you have a blank line on top of your file, that is treated
> by the engine as "hey you want to output a blank line, fine!" and thus
> all the subsequent put header calls will fail since apache will pick
> that blank line and start outputing everyting as content and not as
> headers.
>
> RevServer will start the flush output process if it finds anything
> that is not enclosed into a <?rev tag or if it finds the closing ?>
> tag.
>
> So if you start your code with a <?rev but closes it with a ?> and
> then the output will also begin. This is good to know because of
> includes, if you put ?> in your includes, the very act of including a
> file will start the output. So take those ?> out of the include files.
>
> Before anyone ask why this is so it is because PHP engine does it this
> way and we decided to copy them.
>
>
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gregory
> >
>
>
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Sep  6 13:43:22 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:43:22 +0200
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <20100906170006.9F94928820E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100906170006.9F94928820E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1E108F3E-D599-429A-9EBD-E241F20BE721@derbrill.de>

Hi Len,

> I needed the "S" field in case they get a color blind officer.

I can wholeheartedly recommend this to make apps save to use for color impaired people:

http://colororacle.cartography.ch/

Used it all the time when testing how the games would look for them.

Cheers,

Malte



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Sep  6 14:04:18 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:04:18 -0400
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <20100906170006.26E5A28820B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100906170006.26E5A28820B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <52D00ACF-A401-4C97-9FF3-AAE4DFFEDCCD@videotron.ca>

Good stuff, Andre,

Thanks for the clarification.

Gregory


On Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Gregory,
> 
> That is not an actual bug but a design behaviour. RevServer engine
> will output things as soon as it can, meaning that the blank line will
> be sent as is back to apache server as soon as your script starts
> executing. HTTP Headers must be sent to apache before actual output is
> sent, so if you have a blank line on top of your file, that is treated
> by the engine as "hey you want to output a blank line, fine!" and thus
> all the subsequent put header calls will fail since apache will pick
> that blank line and start outputing everyting as content and not as
> headers.
> 
> RevServer will start the flush output process if it finds anything
> that is not enclosed into a <?rev tag or if it finds the closing ?>
> tag.
> 
> So if you start your code with a <?rev but closes it with a ?> and
> then the output will also begin. This is good to know because of
> includes, if you put ?> in your includes, the very act of including a
> file will start the output. So take those ?> out of the include files.
> 
> Before anyone ask why this is so it is because PHP engine does it this
> way and we decided to copy them.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep  6 14:20:59 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:20:59 -0300
Subject: Cookies again: Expiry Date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OyBb5511Yr7ehi4BEScPBkFOPxr6pr6FcLf_+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100906030450.2DA7F2881EB@mail.runrev.com>
	<520665BF-48D2-4E53-8C7C-5E205B7C2685@videotron.ca>
	<AANLkTikGWgEDvKCLW_YXN8U+_gT0g-hOzrMx8C6-vrGW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=OyBb5511Yr7ehi4BEScPBkFOPxr6pr6FcLf_+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTindZDBTBsjnjw_yP+rmAdqN4pOveNTqkYpNNr0j@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:30 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> I've also found that the 'normal' cookie listing in Safari security
> preferences is difficult to work with - however *Develop:show web
> inspector:storage pane*l shows cookies in a better way and refreshes easily.
>

Stephen,

Even though Safari Developer tools gets better every release, they are
not on par with firebug. I suggest you take a look at the marvelous
combination of Firefox + Firebug

http://getfirefox.com
http://getfirebug.com

That cookie business would be really easy to debug by using Firebug
Net panel and inspecting the headers.

Cheers
andre


-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From psahores at free.fr  Mon Sep  6 14:52:33 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:52:33 +0200
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <40B574AC-F03F-46EB-83A7-9E855F0D722B@free.fr>

How would the "Social Networks" supposed notion really make sense when we are daily bused by (and about) "Ethological Networks" businesses only. Are FaceBook and Twitter in social tasks involved in any way ?.... iTunes Ping ? Pathetic ...

Le 6 sept. 2010 ? 05:04, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> Any early thoughts on Apple's new social network? It seems to be getting some concerned reviews. 
> http://bit.ly/dn5AON
> 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc_______________________________________________
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--
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www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 15:07:55 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:07:55 +0300
Subject: Attaching Mac .ICNS files to standalones ???
Message-ID: <4C853C0B.7070107@gmail.com>

That's queer; I just ran off a Mac standalone on my G4 MacMini and the
.icns file I chose did not show up in the finished standalone . . .

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Sep  6 15:14:00 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:14:00 -0500
Subject: Explanation of Error code
Message-ID: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>

   More problems here, and this is with code that used to work fine.

I'm trying to find an explanation for the 3 number (i.e., error 1,2,3, 
in ....) error codes that I'm getting back.  If you could just point me 
to where to look in the manual or in the mailing list, I think I can 
figure it out.  I just don't know where to look.

len


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep  6 15:17:20 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:17:20 +0200
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <B2813DD2-4596-496C-AA5A-A3BF95EF5E53@economy-x-talk.com>

Len,

http://runrev.info/error.html

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce

On 6 sep 2010, at 21:14, Len Morgan wrote:

>  More problems here, and this is with code that used to work fine.
> 
> I'm trying to find an explanation for the 3 number (i.e., error 1,2,3, in ....) error codes that I'm getting back.  If you could just point me to where to look in the manual or in the mailing list, I think I can figure it out.  I just don't know where to look.
> 
> len



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 15:25:54 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:25:54 -0700
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <B2813DD2-4596-496C-AA5A-A3BF95EF5E53@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>
	<B2813DD2-4596-496C-AA5A-A3BF95EF5E53@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <155344484125.20100906122554@ahsoftware.net>

> Len,

> http://runrev.info/error.html

Also, since I know you've got PowerDebug, open the messagebox and type

put ExplainError(xxx)

where xxx is the first number in the line, i.e., put ExplainError(465)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Sep  6 16:00:02 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:00:02 -0500
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <155344484125.20100906122554@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>	<B2813DD2-4596-496C-AA5A-A3BF95EF5E53@economy-x-talk.com>
	<155344484125.20100906122554@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C854842.6090105@crcom.net>

  Thanks, Mark.  It worked like a champ and pointed out an oversight of 
mine when changing the name of a stack.  It was so simple as to be 
"invisible."

I WILL be buying PowerDebug!

len


On 9/6/2010 2:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Len,
>> http://runrev.info/error.html
> Also, since I know you've got PowerDebug, open the messagebox and type
>
> put ExplainError(xxx)
>
> where xxx is the first number in the line, i.e., put ExplainError(465)
>



From chipp at altuit.com  Mon Sep  6 16:04:50 2010
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:04:50 -0700
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>

You're a funny guy, Dave! 

No trick question, just wondering how much effect PING will have. There's one theory which says this is just the beginning of social networking built around a single venue, others see it doomed to failure because it's too commercialized.

Our company does a lot of work in the Online Digital Marketing space. This stuff is interesting. There are no right and wrong answers. 

More at
http://dlvr.it/4gnsY

Interesting how easy it is for kids to join PING, and let anyone "follow" them. Not sure Steve's thought this out too well... 

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On Sep 6, 2010, at 3:18 AM, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> Is this a trick question, Chipp? 
> 
> Anyway, I agree with whatever your thoughts are, unless they're wrong. :-)


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 16:17:36 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:17:36 -0700
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <4C854842.6090105@crcom.net>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>
	<B2813DD2-4596-496C-AA5A-A3BF95EF5E53@economy-x-talk.com>
	<155344484125.20100906122554@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C854842.6090105@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <180347586046.20100906131736@ahsoftware.net>

Len-

Monday, September 6, 2010, 1:00:02 PM, you wrote:

>   Thanks, Mark.  It worked like a champ and pointed out an oversight of
> mine when changing the name of a stack.  It was so simple as to be 
> "invisible."

> I WILL be buying PowerDebug!

Thanks, but it's a bit embarassing since I've been holding off
announcing it until 4.5 gets out the door.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 16:18:35 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:18:35 -0700
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <131347645171.20100906131835@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Monday, September 6, 2010, 1:04:50 PM, you wrote:

> Our company does a lot of work in the Online Digital Marketing
> space. This stuff is interesting. There are no right and wrong
> answers. 

...there may be a lot of wrong ones floating around out there...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Sep  6 16:38:15 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:38:15 +0100
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <5E067C37-1A85-4D2F-B2EE-3D35F9E7B1EE@lacscentre.co.uk>

On 6 Sep 2010, at 21:04, Chipp Walters wrote:

> More at
> http://dlvr.it/4gnsY


I confess I'm totally ignorant of the social networking thing. I read the links you posted, but not knowing much about the networks they were comparing with, I didn't really follow. I was hoping you might have summarised the issues for people like me. :-)

But if it's going to be as unpopular as some people say, this may be the network for me.

Cheers
Dave

From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon Sep  6 17:01:36 2010
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:01:36 +0200
Subject: The power of despeckle-median filters: Image examples
Message-ID: <4C8556B0.1030303@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Providing feedback in this thread, some list members have expressed 
their appreciation for discussed image-processing approaches and 
scripts, along with the proposal to present such topics in greater 
detail in a RunRev newsletter article. Alejandro Tejada wrote:

"They should publish an extensive review
of your scripts and how you port Lua
scripts to Rev."

while Kevin Miller added to this without specifying a special topic

"if you might be
interested in doing a newsletter article then please drop me a line off
list".

As I am unsure what the focus of an article should be and because there 
is a wide range of possible topics for image processing, I will list 
some of such topics and present a proposal - as a primary option - for a 
possible (first) newsletter article on image-processing in Revolution. 
Of course, I will contact Kevin about this also off-list.

Concerning "Lua" in Revolution I see three options:

1. Rewriting my post of  March 3 "Language comparisons: "Lua" - simpler 
and faster than
RevTalk", which already discusses in some detail several syntax formats 
for image processing in Revolution and pointing out the crucial 
similarities and differences between RevTalk and Lua. This could be 
accompanied by more examples and a sample stack.

2. Focusing on Lua-to-RevTalk conversions with a sample stack containing 
about 25 Lua scripts ported to RevTalk and including some extra variants 
developed on the basis of these Lua scripts. Article and sample stack 
would allow side-by-side comparisons of Lua and RevTalk versions. The 
sample stack is almost ready to be released.

3. Focusing on using Lua embedded in Revolution.  I am authorized to 
mention that we will soon have the possibility to run Lua scripts 
directly in Revolution as an outcome of a collaborative project. I 
consider this to be a huge step forward for image procession with 
Revolution. The power and enormous speed of Lua will join and enhance 
the potential of Revolution.

This would be my first option. We should ask the person mainly 
responsible for developing the Lua add-ons to write an introductory 
article on how to integrate Lua in Revolution and how to use the 
accompanying sample stacks and tutorials.

These Lua tools for Revolution will be released in the very near future, 
so please refrain from asking questions about this now.--

I will now list here a number of - not Lua related - aspects of image 
processing in Revolution that demonstrate that there is a wide variety 
of possible topics, each of which would deserve a separate newsletter 
article. Each of these topics could be accompanied by sample stacks - 
some of which are already available. I will just enumerate some possible 
topics without any comments:

Topics for a newsletter article

- Development of convolve-matrix filters in RevTalk
  (From Chipp Walters to Mark Waddingham; 3x3 and 5x5 filters; hybrid 
filters 5x5 to 11x11; main categories and examples of convolve filters)

- Scripting basic photo tools in RevTalk
  (Saturation, hues, gamma correction, sharpen, blur, dynamic range, 
negative image, grayscale, contrast, reducing colors, substituting 
colors etc.)

- The power of despeckle filters

- Reverse engineering Gimp filters (non-Lua filters): Dilute, erode. 
ripple, outline, photocopy, cartoon, pick etc.

- Mirrors and refractions -

- Different approaches to create "seamless tiles"

- Making use of color spaces (other than RGB):HSV, HSL XYZ, YUV, YIQ

- Image gradients and overlays

- Area- vs.single-pixel-oriented filters

- How to create kaleidoscope patterns

- Image borders and frames

- Noise and distortion

- The great potential of using masks in Revolution

- Combining images and selections of images

- The world of "outline" filters - convolve and other filters.

- The role of paintcompression in image processing

- Creating image art with fields, buttons, and char color.

================


Kind regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep  6 17:26:42 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:26:42 -0500
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4C855C92.4000601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/6/10 2:14 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
>   More problems here, and this is with code that used to work fine.
>
> I'm trying to find an explanation for the 3 number (i.e., error 1,2,3,
> in ....) error codes that I'm getting back. If you could just point me
> to where to look in the manual or in the mailing list, I think I can
> figure it out. I just don't know where to look.

In the dictionary, look up "errorDialog" where there is a good 
explanation of what the numbers mean and how to use them. Briefly, the 
numbers are:

Error code ID number
Line number where the error occurs in the script
Character offset in the line of script

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 18:36:10 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:36:10 -0700
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <4C855C92.4000601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net> <4C855C92.4000601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <118355900062.20100906153610@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Monday, September 6, 2010, 2:26:42 PM, you wrote:

> In the dictionary, look up "errorDialog" where there is a good
> explanation of what the numbers mean and how to use them. Briefly, the

Unfortunately the information in the docs about the errorDialog
message are a form of wishful thinking. That is, most of the
information is true most of the time, some of it may have been true in
times past but is not longer, and some of it may just be the way Scott
Raney wanted things to be. For instance, it is emphatically not true
that "the errorDialog message is only sent while Script Debug mode is
turned off."

There are also other error messages such as compile-time errors that
are not in the cErrorsList of card 1, but rather in the cScriptErrors
of said card; and "warnings", although I've never come across one of
those: I assume the compiler could possibly generate those if a
compile switch were enabled, but that's just guesswork on my part.

It's also unfortunately the case that the engine will sometimes
generate errorDialog messages with an empty executionError parameter
(BZ# 7741), and the only thing to do in that case is just pretend it
didn't happen.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 18:44:36 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:44:36 +1000
Subject: focus border color
In-Reply-To: <C8AA69F8.C441%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C8AA69F8.C441%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <B37014C0-04AE-4E93-A524-6E51C11A3C2B@sweattechnologies.com>

Cheers, thanks
On 06/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

> Based on the colors in the Apple Developer palette it seems to be 67,138,208
> 
> Terry...
> 
> 
> On 6/09/10 9:46 AM, "Monte Goulding" <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ah, anyone know the RGB values for that OS X focus border then?
>> 
>> On 06/09/2010, at 9:35 AM, Terry Judd wrote:
>> 
>>> It looks like focusColor is broken on OSX at least as setting it either at
>>> the stack or object level has no effect. I always get the standard bluish
>>> color irrespective of what color I set the focusColor to (querying the
>>> focusColor correctly reports the color I have 'applied').
>> 
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> --
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> Medical Education Unit
> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
> The University of Melbourne
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 19:07:59 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:07:59 -0700
Subject: Data Grid Column Header Problem
In-Reply-To: <1E108F3E-D599-429A-9EBD-E241F20BE721@derbrill.de>
References: <20100906170006.9F94928820E@mail.runrev.com>
	<1E108F3E-D599-429A-9EBD-E241F20BE721@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <159357809078.20100906160759@ahsoftware.net>

Malte-

Monday, September 6, 2010, 10:43:22 AM, you wrote:

> I can wholeheartedly recommend this to make apps save to use for color impaired people:

What a great link! Thanks!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Sep  6 20:36:38 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:36:38 -0500
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <5E067C37-1A85-4D2F-B2EE-3D35F9E7B1EE@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
	<5E067C37-1A85-4D2F-B2EE-3D35F9E7B1EE@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJJ9s85cfgCyE6cK2iWaoRqSVUomSfJyu+CyPT@mail.gmail.com>

Google pay per click advertisement is getting so very expensive-- esp for
our client in the auto insurance business where a single ad click can go as
high as $130! Yes, Geico or Progressive or other pay up to that amount just
to have you click on their Google Ad when searching for "auto insurance."

So, there are other ways of finding customers on the net, other than through
Google. While Facebook ads can be expensive (not $130/click expensive), they
are extremely well targeted. For instance, when I log on to Facebook, I see
ads for life insurance for people over 50 (I am), and ads for iPad stuff (I
have one). So, while ads may be expensive, they are surely getting to the
correct audience.

Another way to take advantage of Facebook is by building an online community
around a subject which interests folks, and later soft peddle your wares.
Just putting up a Facebook page for your company really doesn't do much. But
providing information and value additions to your page will help keep people
coming back. The whole idea is to start and engage in conversation with your
existing and potential customers.

Twitter is a bit different. Some companies are using Twitter as a
tech-support option. Others as a direct conduit to their CEO/President (like
37 signals). Celebs are using it to better control their message, bypassing
an increasingly meaningless old and convential media. See what Kanye West
has been up to lately!
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/04/kanye-west-twitter-2/

LinkedIn is a business networking community, mostly seems to be targeted at
helping folks find jobs, but it also has the ability to highly target ads
directly to customer bases.

All three of these social networking communities have grown in an ad hoc
fashion. Changing quickly to take advantage of the trends. MySpace is an
example of one who didn't change fast enough, and now is left behind.

Now Apple has PING. My partner, Dan Shafer, believes PING is not as much
about being a fan of music, but rather about being a customer-- and that's
not good. And is it really surprising Apple is considered "controlling" by
PING critics? It will be very interesting to see if Apple can pull this off.

One of the problems companies are having with regard to their social network
strategies, is that these things take time. Traditional marketing is used to
being able to create an ad campaign in weeks and deploy over the next
month(s) or so. But, building a successful social network strategy involves
a clear picture strategy deployed over a longer period of time. And,
basically you get one shot at it. Dan is fond of pointing out the problem
with traditional Silicon Valley marketing of social media and networks, is
they start a seedling of a project, then after a couple months, pull it out
of the ground to look at the roots to see why it's not growing. These things
take time.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>wrote:

> I was hoping you might have summarised the issues for people like me. :-)
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 20:53:01 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:53:01 -0700
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJJ9s85cfgCyE6cK2iWaoRqSVUomSfJyu+CyPT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
	<5E067C37-1A85-4D2F-B2EE-3D35F9E7B1EE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTinJJ9s85cfgCyE6cK2iWaoRqSVUomSfJyu+CyPT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1675126718.20100906175301@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:36:38 PM, you wrote:

> All three of these social networking communities have grown in an ad hoc
> fashion. Changing quickly to take advantage of the trends. MySpace is an
> example of one who didn't change fast enough, and now is left behind.

Or one might say that MySpace changed too much: the Google tie-in
really killed things for them by interfering with the user experience.
There's a good writeup on this somewhere - I'll see if I can dig it
up.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep  6 20:59:14 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:59:14 -0700
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <1675126718.20100906175301@ahsoftware.net>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
	<5E067C37-1A85-4D2F-B2EE-3D35F9E7B1EE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTinJJ9s85cfgCyE6cK2iWaoRqSVUomSfJyu+CyPT@mail.gmail.com>
	<1675126718.20100906175301@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1815500328.20100906175914@ahsoftware.net>

That was fast... dug up:

http://www.wesleyverhoeve.com/why-myspace-failed-or-when-you-kill-the-user-experience-you-kill-yourself

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 21:01:03 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:01:03 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
Message-ID: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Everyone

I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info go to:
http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/

Cheers
--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep  6 21:11:37 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:11:37 -0500
Subject: Explanation of Error code
In-Reply-To: <118355900062.20100906153610@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C853D78.6080205@crcom.net> <4C855C92.4000601@hyperactivesw.com>
	<118355900062.20100906153610@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C859149.3050801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/6/10 5:36 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
>
> Monday, September 6, 2010, 2:26:42 PM, you wrote:
>
>> In the dictionary, look up "errorDialog" where there is a good
>> explanation of what the numbers mean and how to use them. Briefly, the
>
> Unfortunately the information in the docs about the errorDialog
> message are a form of wishful thinking. That is, most of the
> information is true most of the time, some of it may have been true in
> times past but is not longer, and some of it may just be the way Scott
> Raney wanted things to be. For instance, it is emphatically not true
> that "the errorDialog message is only sent while Script Debug mode is
> turned off."
>
> There are also other error messages such as compile-time errors that
> are not in the cErrorsList of card 1, but rather in the cScriptErrors
> of said card; and "warnings", although I've never come across one of
> those: I assume the compiler could possibly generate those if a
> compile switch were enabled, but that's just guesswork on my part.
>
> It's also unfortunately the case that the engine will sometimes
> generate errorDialog messages with an empty executionError parameter
> (BZ# 7741), and the only thing to do in that case is just pretend it
> didn't happen.
>

Good to know, thanks. At least the numbers still mean what I thought. 
Might be worth pasting the above into a dictionary user note.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep  6 21:18:03 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:18:03 -0300
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>

Monte,

the download link is wrong! ;-)

Congratulations, want to check it out!

Cheers
andre

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info go to:
> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
>
> Cheers
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective ?- Making behavior scripts behave
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 21:22:16 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:22:16 -0600
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>

Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Monte,
>
> the download link is wrong! ;-)
>
> Congratulations, want to check it out!
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone
> >
> > I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info go
> to:
> > http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Monte Goulding
> > M E R Goulding Software Development
> > Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >
> > InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> > revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 21:29:39 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:29:39 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>

Woops, refresh the page now.

On 07/09/2010, at 11:18 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Monte,
> 
> the download link is wrong! ;-)
> 
> Congratulations, want to check it out!
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone
>> 
>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info go to:
>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
>> 
>> Cheers
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> _______________________________________________
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--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep  6 21:30:03 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:30:03 -0700
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>

I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had major
name space problems.... had to force-quit.

sqb

On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Monte,
> >
> > the download link is wrong! ;-)
> >
> > Congratulations, want to check it out!
> >
> > Cheers
> > andre
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> > <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone
> > >
> > > I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
> > custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info
> go
> > to:
> > > http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > --
> > > Monte Goulding
> > > M E R Goulding Software Development
> > > Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> > >
> > > InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> > > revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com  Mon Sep  6 21:30:21 2010
From: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com (RunRevPlanet)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:30:21 +1000
Subject: Menu Accelerators - help!
In-Reply-To: <20100906170006.56E2728820D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100906170006.56E2728820D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C8595AD.4010401@smpcs.server101.com>

Sivakatirswami,

If a keyboard shortcut in your stack duplicates a shortcut in the IDE, 
provided your application stack is top most (focused), the shortcut 
should still work even when working from the IDE.

The "Tip of the Week" at RunRevPlanet has recently been looking at 
making menus, and this week just happens to be about keyboard shortcuts 
for menus:

http://www.runrevplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=177&catid=57&Itemid=65

Some of the information there may be useful.
-- 
Scott McDonald
"Components, Stacks, Tools and Resources for Runtime Revolution"
www.runrevplanet.com


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 21:32:39 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:32:39 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>


> I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had major
> name space problems.... had to force-quit.

Ok, can you give me some more info?

> 
> sqb
> 
> On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Monte,
>>> 
>>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
>>> 
>>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> andre
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
>>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>> 
>>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
>>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info
>> go
>>> to:
>>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> --
>>>> Monte Goulding
>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>>>> 
>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> _______________________________________________
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--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  6 21:45:35 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:45:35 -0700
Subject: [OT] router + manual DHCP setting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>

Definitely not a Rev question, but there are some of my Rev apps  
working on this computer.

I have a remote Mac mini running OSX Leopard behind a Belkin router  
and would like to change from DHCP to DHCP using manual address.

The procedure i used was to go System Preferences:Network:Ethernet   
and change the drop down choice, enter '192.168.2.30' then 'apply'   
and lost connection to the internet.  (the range used for active  
assignments is 2.2 thru 2.9, so it uses the lowest range of numbers)


Step 2 was to reboot the Mac, just in case, and still no internet.
Step 3 was chose 'DHCP', click 'apply' and regain internet connection.

Also tried   2.201   which is outside the default range for Belkin.

Is there a step I am missing.
The issue is this computer will run unattended most all the time and  
the LAN address reassignment can occur (like last weekend) and the  
computer is unreachable.

All is well for now, but ...
Thanks for any pointers.  Google did not seem to deliver an answer  
that worked.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep  6 21:54:05 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:54:05 -0700
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=g_WDpsRGWmWW6OHf5mvTOvMfmmacRiNRUUvfs@mail.gmail.com>

I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack, but
was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.

mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?

sqb

On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

>
> > I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
> major
> > name space problems.... had to force-quit.
>
> Ok, can you give me some more info?
>
> >
> > sqb
> >
> > On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Monte,
> >>>
> >>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> andre
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> >>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Everyone
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
> >>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info
> >> go
> >>> to:
> >>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> --
> >>>> Monte Goulding
> >>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
> >>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >>>>
> >>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> >>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 22:00:33 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:00:33 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=g_WDpsRGWmWW6OHf5mvTOvMfmmacRiNRUUvfs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=g_WDpsRGWmWW6OHf5mvTOvMfmmacRiNRUUvfs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <336A87E0-9B47-4D7F-A7A5-1401B3A486DA@sweattechnologies.com>

I think I've got it, I did some drag and drop stuff for pulling the stack files out of the revObjective folder before I implemented the drag and drop of objects to the stacks and they are messing with each other so I'll pull out the files one because it's easy enough to open up the revObjective folder if you want to get your files. I'll post a new version ASAP.

On 07/09/2010, at 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack, but
> was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
> into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.
> 
> mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?
> 
> sqb
> 
> On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
>> major
>>> name space problems.... had to force-quit.
>> 
>> Ok, can you give me some more info?
>> 
>>> 
>>> sqb
>>> 
>>> On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Monte,
>>>>> 
>>>>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> andre
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
>>>>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to use
>>>>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more info
>>>> go
>>>>> to:
>>>>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Monte Goulding
>>>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>>>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>>>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>> 
>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep  6 22:03:33 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:03:33 -0700
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <336A87E0-9B47-4D7F-A7A5-1401B3A486DA@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=g_WDpsRGWmWW6OHf5mvTOvMfmmacRiNRUUvfs@mail.gmail.com>
	<336A87E0-9B47-4D7F-A7A5-1401B3A486DA@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik9CVd+j_CR6ZrPWKbGrp_Wy1rKnD8xvp-Bdsee@mail.gmail.com>

You also don't have to include your tRev backup archives with the package,
which probably increased the size a bit.

sqb

On 6 September 2010 19:00, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

> I think I've got it, I did some drag and drop stuff for pulling the stack
> files out of the revObjective folder before I implemented the drag and drop
> of objects to the stacks and they are messing with each other so I'll pull
> out the files one because it's easy enough to open up the revObjective
> folder if you want to get your files. I'll post a new version ASAP.
>
> On 07/09/2010, at 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack,
> but
> > was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
> > into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.
> >
> > mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?
> >
> > sqb
> >
> > On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
> >> major
> >>> name space problems.... had to force-quit.
> >>
> >> Ok, can you give me some more info?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> sqb
> >>>
> >>> On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Monte,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> andre
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
> >>>>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Everyone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to
> use
> >>>>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more
> info
> >>>> go
> >>>>> to:
> >>>>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Monte Goulding
> >>>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
> >>>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> >>>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stephen Barncard
> >>> San Francisco Ca. USA
> >>>
> >>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >> --
> >> Monte Goulding
> >> M E R Goulding Software Development
> >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >>
> >> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> >> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep  6 22:06:55 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:06:55 -0500
Subject: [OT] router + manual DHCP setting
In-Reply-To: <0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C859E3F.707@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/6/10 8:45 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> Definitely not a Rev question, but there are some of my Rev apps working
> on this computer.
>
> I have a remote Mac mini running OSX Leopard behind a Belkin router and
> would like to change from DHCP to DHCP using manual address.
>
> The procedure i used was to go System Preferences:Network:Ethernet...

Do you mean you want the Mac to have a static IP? All my machines have 
static addresses on my LAN. I never changed any of the computer settings 
at all, instead I changed the router. Routers allow you to link a MAC 
address with a static IP, and after that the router will reserve that IP 
and assign it only to that machine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 22:08:33 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:08:33 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik9CVd+j_CR6ZrPWKbGrp_Wy1rKnD8xvp-Bdsee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=g_WDpsRGWmWW6OHf5mvTOvMfmmacRiNRUUvfs@mail.gmail.com>
	<336A87E0-9B47-4D7F-A7A5-1401B3A486DA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTik9CVd+j_CR6ZrPWKbGrp_Wy1rKnD8xvp-Bdsee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C0ACCCF-2EA1-4820-A9BA-2B37E9F5CCD7@sweattechnologies.com>

I don't use tRev so it's unlikely that happened. the revObjective folder and files are the objects.

On 07/09/2010, at 12:03 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> You also don't have to include your tRev backup archives with the package,
> which probably increased the size a bit.
> 
> sqb
> 
> On 6 September 2010 19:00, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>> I think I've got it, I did some drag and drop stuff for pulling the stack
>> files out of the revObjective folder before I implemented the drag and drop
>> of objects to the stacks and they are messing with each other so I'll pull
>> out the files one because it's easy enough to open up the revObjective
>> folder if you want to get your files. I'll post a new version ASAP.
>> 
>> On 07/09/2010, at 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>> 
>>> I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack,
>> but
>>> was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
>>> into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.
>>> 
>>> mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?
>>> 
>>> sqb
>>> 
>>> On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
>>>> major
>>>>> name space problems.... had to force-quit.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, can you give me some more info?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> sqb
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Monte,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> andre
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
>>>>>>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to
>> use
>>>>>>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more
>> info
>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Monte Goulding
>>>>>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>>>>>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>>>>>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stephen Barncard
>>>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>>>> 
>>>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Monte Goulding
>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>>>> 
>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>> 
>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 22:14:46 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:14:46 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
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	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
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OK, just uploaded a new version, refresh the page replace the old plugin with this one.

On 07/09/2010, at 12:03 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> You also don't have to include your tRev backup archives with the package,
> which probably increased the size a bit.
> 
> sqb
> 
> On 6 September 2010 19:00, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>> I think I've got it, I did some drag and drop stuff for pulling the stack
>> files out of the revObjective folder before I implemented the drag and drop
>> of objects to the stacks and they are messing with each other so I'll pull
>> out the files one because it's easy enough to open up the revObjective
>> folder if you want to get your files. I'll post a new version ASAP.
>> 
>> On 07/09/2010, at 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
>> 
>>> I opened a fresh stack and tried to move a placed object on your stack,
>> but
>>> was interrupted by the "'another stack with the same name" error and got
>>> into that dreaded loop. Had to force-quit.
>>> 
>>> mIght you have a stack named 'untitled' somewhere in your project?
>>> 
>>> sqb
>>> 
>>> On 6 September 2010 18:32, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I think it needs some more testing outside of your environment.  I had
>>>> major
>>>>> name space problems.... had to force-quit.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, can you give me some more info?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> sqb
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 September 2010 18:22, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Monte,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the download link is wrong! ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Congratulations, want to check it out!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> andre
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding
>>>>>>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've just released a new plugin that people who create or want to
>> use
>>>>>>> custom controls with behavior scripts might find helpful. For more
>> info
>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>>> http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Monte Goulding
>>>>>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>>>>>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>>>>>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stephen Barncard
>>>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>>>> 
>>>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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>>>> --
>>>> Monte Goulding
>>>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>>>> 
>>>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>>>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>> 
>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
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> 
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InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep  6 22:31:26 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:31:26 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/09/2010, at 11:22 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> Heres the right link. http://goulding.ws/?file_id=11
> 

FYI that link won't work now. Access the file from my blog at http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog

Cheers

Monte



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 23:39:03 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The power of despeckle-median filters: Image examples
In-Reply-To: <4C8556B0.1030303@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4C8556B0.1030303@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <1283830743801-2529124.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Wilhelm,

My vote goes to:
Lua-to-RevTalk conversions.

But, I am sure that all newbies
(and many oldies) in this platform
would prefer to read a series of
articles about the more extensive
topic of image processing.

Many thanks for sharing your
expertise and experiences in
this important branch of
computer programming.

Keep up your landmarking work! :-)

Al




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From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Tue Sep  7 00:19:13 2010
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:19:13 +0200
Subject: SelectedChunk problem (part 1)
In-Reply-To: <4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5EB1D3A-7EDE-4C5E-82DC-BF84999E3306@wanadoo.fr>
	<4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <57A399D3-3922-4A4F-81B4-E22DBC5B0479@wanadoo.fr>

hello,

here's the script


on rawKeyUp k
   global readTarget,homepath
   put readTarget into tID

   -- Gestion du clavier en mode R?daction
   if the writeEnable of tID is true then

     get the selectedChunk

	put it

     put word 2 of it into p
     put word 4 of  it into w

     put isChar(numTochar(k)) into R1
     put isChar(char w-1 of the text of  tID) into R2

     if  R1 is false and R2 is true and k<>65288   then --  
65288=backspace

          .......

end rawKeyUp

From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 00:30:17 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:30:17 +0900
Subject: [RevMobile] screen redraw problem?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=bgByAh30mxLdSiF5-+paRg68Eo9+P=8QAo+LT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=bgByAh30mxLdSiF5-+paRg68Eo9+P=8QAo+LT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimd-z82OC9qOW-kaoF+6_JmzqbGvx-gMxX_mvkf@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for persisiting with this but...

While waiting for suggestions, I tried setting the destroy window and
stack properties to true. But the screen is still appearing black when
my revMobile apps open up on iPhone, only redrawing themselves in
dithered blocks when I swipe/tap the screen.

One other thing I've noted. When I reopen those apps, text-fields and
checkboxes/radiobuttons retain the state they were in before closing
the app. This is different from my experience with standalones.

On the other hand, the Bulls-i app that Rev offers displays as
expected, without a black screen and with fields/button reset to their
default state.

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Tue Sep  7 00:31:55 2010
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:31:55 +0200
Subject: SelectedChunk problem (part 2)
In-Reply-To: <4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5EB1D3A-7EDE-4C5E-82DC-BF84999E3306@wanadoo.fr>
	<4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D308088B-D78A-4E22-978F-46293EE6FBD3@wanadoo.fr>

here's the result


i][ 				char 2 to 1 of field 1
il][ 				char 3 to 2 of field 1
il ][ 				char 4 to 3 of field 1
il m][ 				char 5 to 4 of field 1
il me][ 			char 6 to 5 of field 1
il men][ 			char 7 to 6 of field 1
il menj][ 			char 8 to 7 of field 1
il menj ][ 			char 9 to 8 of field 1

here I go to an another paletteStack
( this palette stack use external C++ fonction, I hope that's not the  
problem)
then I come back to the field 

From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Tue Sep  7 00:33:42 2010
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:33:42 +0200
Subject: SelectedChunk problem (part 3)
In-Reply-To: <4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5EB1D3A-7EDE-4C5E-82DC-BF84999E3306@wanadoo.fr>
	<4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DF61AFDC-09AB-4A85-81D2-1862808F3D38@wanadoo.fr>

il mn][j  			char 5 to 4 of field 1
il man][j  			char 6 to 5 of field 1
il manj][  			char 7 to 6 of field 1
il manj ][ 			char 8 to 7 of field 1
il man ][ 			char 7 to 6 of field 1
il mang ][ 			char 8 to 7 of field 1
il mange ][ 			char 9 to 8 of field 1
il mange  ][ 			char 10 to 9 of field 1            ( here's the  
problem )
][il mange u
][il mange un
][il mange un


and the selectedChunk return empty until I leave the readTarget field  
and reEnter it.

Le 1 sept. 10 ? 01:50, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

>
> On 8/28/10 12:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Soto wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have some problem with the SelectedChunk function. It's work  
>> well but
>> sometime it return empty.
>>
>> I can type character and I have the flashing insertion cursor in the
>> field but the result is still empty.
>>
>> I must leave the field and re-enter it to have correct result.
>>
>> Does anyone know that problem ?
>
> Can you post a your script? I'm not sure what you mean about the  
> result.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 03:33:33 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:33:33 +0100
Subject: [OT] PING
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJJ9s85cfgCyE6cK2iWaoRqSVUomSfJyu+CyPT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DC78FE5D-EBA2-4703-B3BC-7E1E7EF3083B@altuit.com>
	<51E01E29-FEE1-4BAA-BB0B-F86C18EED41B@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AE95C67F-79E6-4BD9-A8B6-0D4F3DBB8C80@altuit.com>
	<5E067C37-1A85-4D2F-B2EE-3D35F9E7B1EE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTinJJ9s85cfgCyE6cK2iWaoRqSVUomSfJyu+CyPT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494D953F-1290-4700-9E74-4F34FDDF3843@lacscentre.co.uk>

Thanks very much, Chipp. Greatly appreciated.

Dave



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep  7 04:00:49 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:00:49 +0200
Subject: [OT] router + manual DHCP setting
In-Reply-To: <0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <24801089-7BB3-48F8-8C7D-BEC95647E653@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

Look at all the automatic DHCP settings. Note the router IP and DNS IP's and the subnet mask. After changing to manual DHCP, re-enter the same router and DNS IP's and the subnet mask. Now click Apply. 

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line and contact me now!

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce

On 7 sep 2010, at 03:45, Jim Ault wrote:

> Definitely not a Rev question, but there are some of my Rev apps working on this computer.
> 
> I have a remote Mac mini running OSX Leopard behind a Belkin router and would like to change from DHCP to DHCP using manual address.
> 
> The procedure i used was to go System Preferences:Network:Ethernet  and change the drop down choice, enter '192.168.2.30' then 'apply'  and lost connection to the internet.  (the range used for active assignments is 2.2 thru 2.9, so it uses the lowest range of numbers)
> 
> 
> Step 2 was to reboot the Mac, just in case, and still no internet.
> Step 3 was chose 'DHCP', click 'apply' and regain internet connection.
> 
> Also tried   2.201   which is outside the default range for Belkin.
> 
> Is there a step I am missing.
> The issue is this computer will run unattended most all the time and the LAN address reassignment can occur (like last weekend) and the computer is unreachable.
> 
> All is well for now, but ...
> Thanks for any pointers.  Google did not seem to deliver an answer that worked.
> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Sep  7 04:51:35 2010
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:51:35 +0100
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>

This is very bad news for my long-held campaign to introduce '@' as an 
optional (but one day might be checked) prefix to a parameter, to indicate in 
the calling line that this is passed by reference.

ie
	if functionWithSideEffects(tInput, @tOutput) then
		...

should allow the reader to know immediately that 'functionWithSideEffects' 
takes the second parameter by reference.

On 05/09/2010 22:01, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Andre-
>
> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:37:46 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>
>> Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
>> commands? I just created a function like that and it works
>
> ...it gets worse... see bz #8048
>



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Sep  7 05:11:30 2010
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:11:30 +0100
Subject: Geographic Functions, any takers?
In-Reply-To: <003201cb485f$1cd894c0$5689be40$@supremis.co.uk>
References: <003201cb485f$1cd894c0$5689be40$@supremis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4C8601C2.3030709@cogapp.com>

On 30/08/2010 17:19, Ewan Richardson wrote:
 > Has anyone written any libraries for Geographic functions within rev?
 >
 >
 > Im thinking of a library for dealing with latitude and longitude, for
 > example  determining distance between points, bearings radian calculations
 > ect.

Ewan,

Sorry for the delayed reply, just catching up with my mailing lists.

I did a project some years ago involving an embedded computer tracking GPS on 
a moving vehicle.  Looking at the code today, I see I started trying to do it 
all by the book - and subsequently realised that since I was only going to be 
interested in fine detail when the vehicle was close to any of the waypoints, 
and the device was only going to used in Western Europe, I didn't actually 
care about the true shape of the Earth etc!

However, for what it's worth, I find these two fragments of code; the first 
looks jolly useful, but it appears that I don't actually use it in the final 
system.  The second is what's actually used, and produces a 'good enough' 
result... if nothing else, the  references in the comments might be useful.

Also a couple of utilities for working NMEA (the default 'language' of most 
GPS units) - trivial but might save a few minutes.

I present these directly pasted from scripts, no checking, no warranty...

Ben


on initialiseGeoConstants
   -- an array giving the approximage length in metres of one second of 
longitude, at a given degree of latitude
   -- source: 
http://www.gis.unbc.ca/2003/courses/geog205/lectures/thegraticule/bottomframe.html 

   constant kSrcInfo = "0 111.32,10 109.64,20 104.65,30 96.49,40 85.39,50 
71.70,60 55.80,70 38.19,80 19.39,90 0.00"
   put empty into aTemp
   put empty into bTemp
   repeat for each item tDataPoint in kSrcInfo
     put (((word 2 of tDataPoint) * 1000) / 3600) into aTemp[word 1 of 
tDataPoint] -- km/degree to m/sec
     put ((word 2 of tDataPoint) * 1000) into bTemp[word 1 of tDataPoint] -- 
km/degree to m/degree
   end repeat
   -- now try to fill in the degrees between, by crude linear interpolation
   repeat with d = 1 to 89
     get aTemp[d]
     if it <> empty then next repeat
     put trunc(d / 10) * 10 into d1
     put d1 + 10 into d2
     --
     get (aTemp[d1] - aTemp[d2])
     multiply it by (d2 - d)
     put aTemp[d2] + (it / 10) into aTemp[d]
     --
     get (bTemp[d1] - bTemp[d2])
     multiply it by (d2 - d)
     put bTemp[d2] + (it / 10) into bTemp[d]
   end repeat
   set the customProperties["uLongSecLengthAtLatitude"] of this stack to aTemp
   set the customProperties["uLongDegLengthAtLatitude"] of this stack to bTemp
end initialiseGeoConstants

--
-- %MACRO distance(lat1, lon1, lat2, lon2);
--
--%* calculates distance between two locations on earth; %* depends crucially 
on the accurcy of the calculations!;
--
--%* input: latitude and longitude in radians; %* output: distance in meters, 
as a data step expression; %* version: 26 June 1996, Willem Dekker;
--
--%Let Mile=1853.245; %* Nautical mile in meters; %Let 
DegRad=180/3.141592653589793238; %* Degrees per Radian; %LET 
MeterRad=60*&Mile*&DegRad; %* meters per radian;
--
--(&MeterRad * 2 * arsin(sqrt(2 - 2 * cos(&lat1) *cos(&lat2) * cos(&lon1 - 
&lon2) - 2 * sin(&lat1) * sin(&lat2) ) / 2)); %mend;


-- source: http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/geo/gisfaq?Q5.1
--
-- Presuming a spherical Earth with radius R (see below), and the locations of 
the two points in spherical coordinates (longitude, latitude) are lon1, lat1 
and lon2, lat2, then the Haversine Formula (Sinott 1984) will give 
mathematically and computationally exact results. The intermediate result c is 
the great circle distance in radians. The great circle distance d will be in 
the same units as R. We provide the inverse tangent version of the Haversine 
Formula:
--
-- dlon = lon2 - lon1
--
-- dlat = lat2 - lat1
--
-- a = (sin(dlat/2))^2 + cos(lat1) * cos(lat2) * (sin(dlon/2))^2
--
-- c = 2 * atan2( sqrt(a), sqrt(1-a) )
--
-- d = R * c
--
-- For R, use 3957 miles (6367 km), which is the radius of curvature at 30? 
latitude; the use of other possible values results in very small differences. 
Most computers require the arguments of trigonometric functions to be 
expressed in radians. To convert lon1, lat1 and lon2, lat2 from degrees, 
minutes, and seconds to radians, first convert them to decimal degrees. To 
convert decimal degrees to radians, multiply the number of degrees by: pi/180 
= 0.017453293 radians/degree. Inverse trigonometric functions return results 
expressed in radians. To express c in decimal degrees, multiply the number of 
radians by 180/pi = 57.295780 degrees/radian. (But be sure to multiply the 
number of radians by R to get d.)
--
function rangeBetweenPoints tLat1, tLon1, tLat2, tLon2
   constant kRadius = 6367000 -- radius of curvature at 30? latitude; in metres
   local kDegreesToRadians
   put pi / 180 into kDegreesToRadians
   local a, c, iDeltaLat, iDeltaLon
   multiply tLat1 by kDegreesToRadians
   multiply tLon1 by kDegreesToRadians
   multiply tLat2 by kDegreesToRadians
   multiply tLon2 by kDegreesToRadians
   put tLat2 - tLat1 into iDeltaLat
   put tLon2 - tLon1 into iDeltaLon
   put (sin(iDeltaLat / 2) ^ 2) + cos(tLat1) * cos(tLat2) * (sin(iDeltaLon / 
2) ^ 2) into a
   put 2 * atan2(sqrt(a), sqrt(1 - a)) into c
   -- put round(kRadius * c) & return & "lat1:" && tLat1 & return & "lon1:" && 
tLon1 & return & "lat2:" && tLat2 & return & "lon2:" && tLon2 & return & 
"Dlat" && iDeltaLat & return & "Dlon" && iDeltaLon & return & "a" && a & 
return & "c" && c
   return round(kRadius * c)
end rangeBetweenPoints


function nmeaChecksum tString --> tSum
   local iSum
   put 0 into iSum
   repeat for each char c in tString
     put iSum bitXor chartonum(c) into iSum
   end repeat
   return format("*%02X", iSum)
end nmeaChecksum


function nmeaLatLongToDecimal tNMEAlatitude, tHemisphere --> tDecimalLat
   get offset(".", tNMEAlatitude)
   if it = 0 then
     cancelNonRevMessages
     breakpoint
     return empty
   end if
   put char (it - 2) to -1 of tNMEAlatitude into tMinutes
   put char 1 to (it - 3) of tNMEAlatitude into tDecimalLat
   add (tMinutes / 60) to tDecimalLat
   --  put (tDecimalLat * 60) + tMinutes into tDecimalLat -- express in minutes
   --  multiply tDecimalLat by 60 -- actually, seconds
   if tHemisphere is in "SW" then put "-" before tDecimalLat
   return tDecimalLat
end nmeaLatLongToDecimal


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 06:21:16 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:21:16 +1000
Subject: [ANN] InstallGadget 2.0 Public Testing
Message-ID: <F889D8B4-8223-4914-A79E-4BB2CF6BE615@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Everyone

If you are interested in being involved in testing InstallGadget 2.0 and it's Rev plugin please download from http://goulding.ws/installgadget/installgadget-2-0-public-testing/ and send comments off list to monte at goulding.ws

Cheers
--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Sep  7 06:43:56 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:43:56 -0500
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>

  Is there any kind of documentation available?  I'm on windows 7 and 
when I open the plugin, I'm allowed to type in the upper right hand text 
box (although I don't know what I'm supposed to type there) and 
everything else is disabled.  I have no idea what to do now.

len morgan


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 06:48:00 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:48:00 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <AC1A7C0B-9606-4489-9DB4-99AECA3E33D5@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Len

Can you send me a screenshot to monte at goulding.ws that certainly doesn't sound good ;-)

> Is there any kind of documentation available?  I'm on windows 7 and when I open the plugin, I'm allowed to type in the upper right hand text box (although I don't know what I'm supposed to type there) and everything else is disabled.  I have no idea what to do now.
> 

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Sep  7 06:53:20 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:53:20 -0500
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <AC1A7C0B-9606-4489-9DB4-99AECA3E33D5@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>	<4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
	<AC1A7C0B-9606-4489-9DB4-99AECA3E33D5@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4C8619A0.7030302@crcom.net>

  Can you advise me on how to "take" a screen shot?  I've never been 
successful but then I've never really tried that hard either.

len

On 9/7/2010 5:48 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Hi Len
>
> Can you send me a screenshot to monte at goulding.ws that certainly doesn't sound good ;-)
>
>> Is there any kind of documentation available?  I'm on windows 7 and when I open the plugin, I'm allowed to type in the upper right hand text box (although I don't know what I'm supposed to type there) and everything else is disabled.  I have no idea what to do now.
>>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 06:56:30 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:56:30 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <6005F83E-EE09-4869-8A55-A823CC11CCD7@sweattechnologies.com>

Oh, did you install the revObjective folder (contains the 4 objects that come with the plugin) into the plugins folder with the plugin? That field filters the list of objects so don't type anything in there for the minute and if you have delete it. Also if you select a control in one of your stacks the Add button will become enabled. Click "Add" and the control will be imported into revObjective. From there you can edit the behavior script etc.

No other docs yet sorry but I'm here or off list if you want to ask questions.

Cheers

Monte
On 07/09/2010, at 8:43 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> Is there any kind of documentation available?  I'm on windows 7 and when I open the plugin, I'm allowed to type in the upper right hand text box (although I don't know what I'm supposed to type there) and everything else is disabled.  I have no idea what to do now.
> 
> len morgan
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 06:58:37 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:58:37 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <4C8619A0.7030302@crcom.net>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>	<4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
	<AC1A7C0B-9606-4489-9DB4-99AECA3E33D5@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8619A0.7030302@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <8E64B5AA-FD95-474A-B11F-43CBDA814297@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Len

On Windows you press print screen on the keyboard.

Cheers

Monte

On 07/09/2010, at 8:53 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> Can you advise me on how to "take" a screen shot?  I've never been successful but then I've never really tried that hard either.
> 
> len
> 
> On 9/7/2010 5:48 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi Len
>> 
>> Can you send me a screenshot to monte at goulding.ws that certainly doesn't sound good ;-)
>> 
>>> Is there any kind of documentation available?  I'm on windows 7 and when I open the plugin, I'm allowed to type in the upper right hand text box (although I don't know what I'm supposed to type there) and everything else is disabled.  I have no idea what to do now.
>>> 
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Sep  7 07:06:49 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:06:49 -0500
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <6005F83E-EE09-4869-8A55-A823CC11CCD7@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>	<4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
	<6005F83E-EE09-4869-8A55-A823CC11CCD7@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4C861CC9.5050102@crcom.net>

  Ok, I got it installed and now everything is enabled except for the 
Add button.  This still looks a little rough and I still don't know what 
to do with it now that I have it.  By the way, the description of the 
Integer field is the same as the Number field and yet the number field 
shows "10.1" (i.e., the description says only integers are allowed and 
yet the number has a decimal point in it.

I've got to get ready for work so I'll have to play with this later.  
Some sort of quick tutorial to show the very basics would be helpful!

len


On 9/7/2010 5:56 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Oh, did you install the revObjective folder (contains the 4 objects that come with the plugin) into the plugins folder with the plugin? That field filters the list of objects so don't type anything in there for the minute and if you have delete it. Also if you select a control in one of your stacks the Add button will become enabled. Click "Add" and the control will be imported into revObjective. From there you can edit the behavior script etc.
>
> No other docs yet sorry but I'm here or off list if you want to ask questions.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
> On 07/09/2010, at 8:43 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> Is there any kind of documentation available?  I'm on windows 7 and when I open the plugin, I'm allowed to type in the upper right hand text box (although I don't know what I'm supposed to type there) and everything else is disabled.  I have no idea what to do now.
>>
>> len morgan
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 08:14:21 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:14:21 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <4C861CC9.5050102@crcom.net>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA5BA44-2DA6-4EE5-814C-CF0799BEC42F@sweattechnologies.com>	<4C86176C.3090101@crcom.net>
	<6005F83E-EE09-4869-8A55-A823CC11CCD7@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C861CC9.5050102@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <966AD2C3-B3EB-47D1-A1C1-221E1681365C@sweattechnologies.com>

> Ok, I got it installed and now everything is enabled except for the Add button.  This still looks a little rough and I still don't know what to do with it now that I have it.

To enable the add button you've got to select a control on a stack that you might want to add to the revObjective list. Many rev users might not need the Add, Script and Edit buttons if they want to just use revObjective to manage the objects a number of developers are creating and providing to the community.

> By the way, the description of the Integer field is the same as the Number field and yet the number field shows "10.1" (i.e., the description says only integers are allowed and yet the number has a decimal point in it.

OK, fixed.

> I've got to get ready for work so I'll have to play with this later.  Some sort of quick tutorial to show the very basics would be helpful!

I've done a little screencast to show the basics of how to work with revObjective here:
http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/watch/c6QiXmjMZ

In the screencast you will see I have a few more objects listed there. They aren't my work so I didn't include them. I did include a Placeholder Text Field from a revLesson. 

Cheers
--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 08:48:24 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:48:24 -0600
Subject: [OT] router + manual DHCP setting
In-Reply-To: <24801089-7BB3-48F8-8C7D-BEC95647E653@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>
	<24801089-7BB3-48F8-8C7D-BEC95647E653@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xp1-=XJY=AyX-YpHE+_qxvzqyZf3x+Lb=WVZP@mail.gmail.com>

99% sure you're not set up this way, but if your belkin is setup to a
smaller subset subnet (IE a netmask other than 255.255.255.0) you coudl be
setting your IP's outside the range of the valid subnet.  As pointed out
tho, this is pretty unlikely unless you did it yourself.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Look at all the automatic DHCP settings. Note the router IP and DNS IP's
> and the subnet mask. After changing to manual DHCP, re-enter the same router
> and DNS IP's and the subnet mask. Now click Apply.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> From 15th August, we'll have time for new projects! Be the first in line
> and contact me now!
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
> http://qurl.tk/ce
>
> On 7 sep 2010, at 03:45, Jim Ault wrote:
>
> > Definitely not a Rev question, but there are some of my Rev apps working
> on this computer.
> >
> > I have a remote Mac mini running OSX Leopard behind a Belkin router and
> would like to change from DHCP to DHCP using manual address.
> >
> > The procedure i used was to go System Preferences:Network:Ethernet  and
> change the drop down choice, enter '192.168.2.30' then 'apply'  and lost
> connection to the internet.  (the range used for active assignments is 2.2
> thru 2.9, so it uses the lowest range of numbers)
> >
> >
> > Step 2 was to reboot the Mac, just in case, and still no internet.
> > Step 3 was chose 'DHCP', click 'apply' and regain internet connection.
> >
> > Also tried   2.201   which is outside the default range for Belkin.
> >
> > Is there a step I am missing.
> > The issue is this computer will run unattended most all the time and the
> LAN address reassignment can occur (like last weekend) and the computer is
> unreachable.
> >
> > All is well for now, but ...
> > Thanks for any pointers.  Google did not seem to deliver an answer that
> worked.
> >
> >
> > Jim Ault
> > Las Vegas
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep  7 09:56:05 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:56:05 -0300
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>

Err,

Ben, this is actually in place since forever... we can pass by
references values with @....

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
> This is very bad news for my long-held campaign to introduce '@' as an
> optional (but one day might be checked) prefix to a parameter, to indicate
> in the calling line that this is passed by reference.
>
> ie
> ? ? ? ?if functionWithSideEffects(tInput, @tOutput) then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?...
>
> should allow the reader to know immediately that 'functionWithSideEffects'
> takes the second parameter by reference.
>
> On 05/09/2010 22:01, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>> Andre-
>>
>> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:37:46 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>
>>> Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
>>> commands? I just created a function like that and it works
>>
>> ...it gets worse... see bz #8048
>>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Sep  7 11:34:02 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:34:02 +0100
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>

  Not quite. We specify pass-by-ref by using '@' in the handler 
specification; you can't use it in the calling script as Ben did in his 
example in the email. Ben wants to be able to use the '@' (presumably as 
an option, with no actual effect) in the calling script, to help remind 
him that the variable will/may be changed within the handler.

-- Alex.

On 07/09/2010 14:56, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Err,
>
> Ben, this is actually in place since forever... we can pass by
> references values with @....
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Ben Rubinstein<benr_mc at cogapp.com>  wrote:
>> This is very bad news for my long-held campaign to introduce '@' as an
>> optional (but one day might be checked) prefix to a parameter, to indicate
>> in the calling line that this is passed by reference.
>>
>> ie
>>         if functionWithSideEffects(tInput, @tOutput) then
>>                 ...
>>
>> should allow the reader to know immediately that 'functionWithSideEffects'
>> takes the second parameter by reference.
>>
>> On 05/09/2010 22:01, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> Andre-
>>>
>>> Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:37:46 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>> Did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for naming functions and
>>>> commands? I just created a function like that and it works
>>> ...it gets worse... see bz #8048
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
>



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 11:42:47 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:42:47 -0700
Subject: [OT] router + manual DHCP setting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xp1-=XJY=AyX-YpHE+_qxvzqyZf3x+Lb=WVZP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B4A0794-1EA8-4AC9-B72B-4686C6C3CB95@yahoo.com>
	<24801089-7BB3-48F8-8C7D-BEC95647E653@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTi=xp1-=XJY=AyX-YpHE+_qxvzqyZf3x+Lb=WVZP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93BCE2E0-E2E5-4ACF-9CE4-61D182A6D221@yahoo.com>

Thanks for all the replies and good tips
I will do some testing later today and report back.


On Sep 7, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> 99% sure you're not set up this way, but if your belkin is setup to a
> smaller subset subnet (IE a netmask other than 255.255.255.0) you  
> coudl be
> setting your IP's outside the range of the valid subnet.  As pointed  
> out
> tho, this is pretty unlikely unless you did it yourself.
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Look at all the automatic DHCP settings. Note the router IP and DNS  
>> IP's
>> and the subnet mask. After changing to manual DHCP, re-enter the  
>> same router
>> and DNS IP's and the subnet mask. Now click Apply.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep  7 12:07:54 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:07:54 -0700
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
	function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <18360020531.20100907090754@ahsoftware.net>

Ben-

Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 1:51:35 AM, you wrote:

> This is very bad news for my long-held campaign to introduce '@' as an
> optional (but one day might be checked) prefix to a parameter, to indicate in
> the calling line that this is passed by reference.

I went to go vote for this bug report/enhancement request, but I can't
exactly find it. Are you referring to 741, 3753, 6820, or 6949?
BZ#3753 seems the closest although 741 has more accumulated votes
(8/1). And 6949 has 5 votes although it's somewhat a side effect of
not having a generic ability to specify "@" in scripts. And 6820 has
more votes than all the others combined, although it deals only with
the special case of passing a reference to an array element.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 12:56:43 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1283878603887-2530061.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Alex,


Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> Not quite. We specify pass-by-ref by using '@' in the handler 
> specification; you can't use it in the calling script as Ben did in his 
> example in the email. Ben wants to be able to use the '@'
> (presumably as an option, with no actual effect) in the calling script,
> to help remind him that the variable will/may be changed within the
> handler.
> -- Alex.
> 

I have never used this method of "passing-by-reference"
i any of my stack, so actually i dont know how
useful it really is.

Did you read this message of Wilhelm Sanke about
image processing?

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-March/136246.html

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Language-comparisons-Lua-simpler-and-faster-than-RevTalk-td1586669.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg131812.html

Could be possible to speed up Wilhelm's handlers that process binary
image data using this method of "passing-by-reference"?

Thanks in advance!

Al

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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep  7 13:12:46 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:12:46 -0700
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <1283878603887-2530061.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>
	<1283878603887-2530061.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbibq+HYLu0H6r4ffkbm9B1eVqm5isXD3R4o-B@mail.gmail.com>

If one is interested in speed, it can be quite useful.

Also you could write scripts with no functions! Just commands. Return the
data in the same variable without copying to another (which happens in
functions).

It's  a different coding style for sure.

On 7 September 2010 09:56, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have never used this method of "passing-by-reference"
> i any of my stack, so actually i dont know how
> useful it really is.
>


Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Sep  7 14:02:24 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:02:24 +0100
Subject: Drag cursor
In-Reply-To: <20100907013236.4BD0F288283@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONCEFCCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Does anyone know how to specify the drag cursor type? I am dragging images
around and want to display a 'copy' cursor (with a little plus sign) when
the ctrl key is down, a 'move' cursor (no little plus sign) when the ctrl
key is up, and a 'cantDrop' cursor when appropriate. The engine seems to
over-ride any attempt to 'set the cursor'.

Hugh
FLCo



From th.douez at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 14:11:14 2010
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:11:14 +0200
Subject: Drag cursor
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONCEFCCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONCEFCCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <A8165FB8-CF86-495F-8B60-18F512189FD7@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 7 sept. 2010 ? 20:02, FlexibleLearning a ?crit :

> Does anyone know how to specify the drag cursor type? I am dragging images
> around and want to display a 'copy' cursor (with a little plus sign) when
> the ctrl key is down, a 'move' cursor (no little plus sign) when the ctrl
> key is up, and a 'cantDrop' cursor when appropriate. The engine seems to
> over-ride any attempt to 'set the cursor'.
> 
> Hugh
> FLCo


After setting the cursor , did you lock it ?

See lock cursor in the Dictionary

My 2 French cents
Thierry



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep  7 14:13:44 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:13:44 -0700
Subject: Drag cursor
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONCEFCCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <20100907013236.4BD0F288283@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONCEFCCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimq5j=oMeohJa+viMggbqJ-PWu_eOThaBiobOax@mail.gmail.com>

I think this should just work. I don't think you need to do any cursor
stuffl, at least on the Mac. I've seen the green PLUS and I didn't do any
cursor code at all. Try without doing any cursor calls.

On 7 September 2010 11:02, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> Does anyone know how to specify the drag cursor type? I am dragging images
> around and want to display a 'copy' cursor (with a little plus sign) when
> the ctrl key is down, a 'move' cursor (no little plus sign) when the ctrl
> key is up, and a 'cantDrop' cursor when appropriate. The engine seems to
> over-ride any attempt to 'set the cursor'.
>
> Hugh
> FLCo
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep  7 14:16:51 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:16:51 -0700
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4867757343.20100907111651@ahsoftware.net>

Monte-

Monday, September 6, 2010, 6:32:39 PM, you wrote:

> Ok, can you give me some more info?

It's the "close stack" command at the end of your preOpenStack
handler in the stack script. I can get rid of the error if I change
the last few lines of that handler to

     reset the templatebutton
  end if
  -- close stack tStack
  -- set the visible of stack tStack to true
  hide stack tStack -- this replaces two lines
  set the cRevLoadInfo["mode"] of stack tStack to "modeless"
end if

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 13:59:58 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:59:58 -0500
Subject: Selected Text
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu6v85oy1c888dY_T0zZMDiyCZ9bjL3f9MLBFa@mail.gmail.com>

1) I am trying to return the selected text in a field.  It looks like
this can only be done on locked text.  Is there anyway around this?

In the field I am trying:

on mouseup
   answer selectedtext()
end mouseup

The above is only true when the field is locked.

2) Also...how do I prevent text to be dragable in a field?

Thanks for any help!

Warren


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep  7 14:38:47 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:38:47 +0200
Subject: Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinu6v85oy1c888dY_T0zZMDiyCZ9bjL3f9MLBFa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinu6v85oy1c888dY_T0zZMDiyCZ9bjL3f9MLBFa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DC24558-B1F3-4AEB-83BA-F544A3E555C2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Warren,

It looks like the problem is not the selectedText but the mouseUp message. Unlocked fields don't receive a mouseUp message when the user clicks in such a field, but control-click and command-click do trigger a mouseUp message. So, either you have to provide a way to lock and unlock the field as necessary or you need to tell the user that control-click or command-click will allow him or her to edit or process selected text.

You can't have a field editable without allowing the user to drag text around, but you can allow the user to select text without making the field editable. If you lock the text but don't turn off the traversalOn, then the text will be selectable but not editable. Or don't you want the user to be able to select text? In this case, turn off the traversalOn too.

If the lockText of a field is true and the traversalOn is tru too, you will be able to click in a field and trigger the mouseUp message that way, without pressing the command or control key.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 7 sep 2010, at 19:59, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> 1) I am trying to return the selected text in a field.  It looks like
> this can only be done on locked text.  Is there anyway around this?
> 
> In the field I am trying:
> 
> on mouseup
>   answer selectedtext()
> end mouseup
> 
> The above is only true when the field is locked.
> 
> 2) Also...how do I prevent text to be dragable in a field?
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> Warren




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 14:52:04 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:52:04 -0500
Subject: Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <6DC24558-B1F3-4AEB-83BA-F544A3E555C2@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTinu6v85oy1c888dY_T0zZMDiyCZ9bjL3f9MLBFa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DC24558-B1F3-4AEB-83BA-F544A3E555C2@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBEjU6brvb_VkWKHrmuBuX3EuuL-Fg0+jeBck+@mail.gmail.com>

 Mark,

Thanks for the explanation.  It really gaves me a good understand with how
the process works.  I will see if I can lock/unlock the field as necessary
as the user needs to ability to change the text.

Appreciate your help!
Warren

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> It looks like the problem is not the selectedText but the mouseUp message.
Unlocked fields don't receive a mouseUp message when the user clicks in such
a field, but control-click and command-click do trigger a mouseUp message.
So, either you have to provide a way to lock and unlock the field as
necessary or you need to tell the user that control-click or command-click
will allow him or her to edit or process selected text.
>
> You can't have a field editable without allowing the user to drag text
around, but you can allow the user to select text without making the field
editable. If you lock the text but don't turn off the traversalOn, then the
text will be selectable but not editable. Or don't you want the user to be
able to select text? In this case, turn off the traversalOn too.
>
> If the lockText of a field is true and the traversalOn is tru too, you
will be able to click in a field and trigger the mouseUp message that way,
without pressing the command or control key.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every*
Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
>
> On 7 sep 2010, at 19:59, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>> 1) I am trying to return the selected text in a field.  It looks like
>> this can only be done on locked text.  Is there anyway around this?
>>
>> In the field I am trying:
>>
>> on mouseup
>>   answer selectedtext()
>> end mouseup
>>
>> The above is only true when the field is locked.
>>
>> 2) Also...how do I prevent text to be dragable in a field?
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Warren
>
>
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 14:57:32 2010
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:57:32 -0400
Subject: Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinBEjU6brvb_VkWKHrmuBuX3EuuL-Fg0+jeBck+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinu6v85oy1c888dY_T0zZMDiyCZ9bjL3f9MLBFa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DC24558-B1F3-4AEB-83BA-F544A3E555C2@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTinBEjU6brvb_VkWKHrmuBuX3EuuL-Fg0+jeBck+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKJRw9cxrqoOnKc9Ho0k8L6cJT+-_CmZGEgR11@mail.gmail.com>

Have you explored the selectionchanged message?

For one of my applications, I use this for detecting clicks inside unlocked
fields.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Mark,
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  It really gaves me a good understand with how
> the process works.  I will see if I can lock/unlock the field as necessary
> as the user needs to ability to change the text.
>
> Appreciate your help!
> Warren
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> > Hi Warren,
> >
> > It looks like the problem is not the selectedText but the mouseUp
> message.
> Unlocked fields don't receive a mouseUp message when the user clicks in
> such
> a field, but control-click and command-click do trigger a mouseUp message.
> So, either you have to provide a way to lock and unlock the field as
> necessary or you need to tell the user that control-click or command-click
> will allow him or her to edit or process selected text.
> >
> > You can't have a field editable without allowing the user to drag text
> around, but you can allow the user to select text without making the field
> editable. If you lock the text but don't turn off the traversalOn, then the
> text will be selectable but not editable. Or don't you want the user to be
> able to select text? In this case, turn off the traversalOn too.
> >
> > If the lockText of a field is true and the traversalOn is tru too, you
> will be able to click in a field and trigger the mouseUp message that way,
> without pressing the command or control key.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mark Schonewille
> >
> > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> > KvK: 50277553
> >
> > Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
> http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every*
> Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
> >
> > On 7 sep 2010, at 19:59, Warren Kuhl wrote:
> >
> >> 1) I am trying to return the selected text in a field.  It looks like
> >> this can only be done on locked text.  Is there anyway around this?
> >>
> >> In the field I am trying:
> >>
> >> on mouseup
> >>   answer selectedtext()
> >> end mouseup
> >>
> >> The above is only true when the field is locked.
> >>
> >> 2) Also...how do I prevent text to be dragable in a field?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help!
> >>
> >> Warren
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 15:12:20 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:12:20 -0500
Subject: Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikKJRw9cxrqoOnKc9Ho0k8L6cJT+-_CmZGEgR11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinu6v85oy1c888dY_T0zZMDiyCZ9bjL3f9MLBFa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DC24558-B1F3-4AEB-83BA-F544A3E555C2@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTinBEjU6brvb_VkWKHrmuBuX3EuuL-Fg0+jeBck+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikKJRw9cxrqoOnKc9Ho0k8L6cJT+-_CmZGEgR11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik0vcipXi5fdPB9WwSaPHu7XC=GFE0ZzS1qtrGz@mail.gmail.com>

Jonathan,

No I have not.  In fact...I never even heard of this until now.  Thanks for
the suggestion I will look into this as well.

Appreciate it!
Warren

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Jonathan Lynch <jonathandlynch at gmail.com>wrote:

> Have you explored the selectionchanged message?
>
> For one of my applications, I use this for detecting clicks inside unlocked
> fields.
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for the explanation.  It really gaves me a good understand with
> how
> > the process works.  I will see if I can lock/unlock the field as
> necessary
> > as the user needs to ability to change the text.
> >
> > Appreciate your help!
> > Warren
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Mark Schonewille <
> > m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Warren,
> > >
> > > It looks like the problem is not the selectedText but the mouseUp
> > message.
> > Unlocked fields don't receive a mouseUp message when the user clicks in
> > such
> > a field, but control-click and command-click do trigger a mouseUp
> message.
> > So, either you have to provide a way to lock and unlock the field as
> > necessary or you need to tell the user that control-click or
> command-click
> > will allow him or her to edit or process selected text.
> > >
> > > You can't have a field editable without allowing the user to drag text
> > around, but you can allow the user to select text without making the
> field
> > editable. If you lock the text but don't turn off the traversalOn, then
> the
> > text will be selectable but not editable. Or don't you want the user to
> be
> > able to select text? In this case, turn off the traversalOn too.
> > >
> > > If the lockText of a field is true and the traversalOn is tru too, you
> > will be able to click in a field and trigger the mouseUp message that
> way,
> > without pressing the command or control key.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Mark Schonewille
> > >
> > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> > > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> > > KvK: 50277553
> > >
> > > Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
> > http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every*
> > Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
> > >
> > > On 7 sep 2010, at 19:59, Warren Kuhl wrote:
> > >
> > >> 1) I am trying to return the selected text in a field.  It looks like
> > >> this can only be done on locked text.  Is there anyway around this?
> > >>
> > >> In the field I am trying:
> > >>
> > >> on mouseup
> > >>   answer selectedtext()
> > >> end mouseup
> > >>
> > >> The above is only true when the field is locked.
> > >>
> > >> 2) Also...how do I prevent text to be dragable in a field?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for any help!
> > >>
> > >> Warren
> > >
> > >
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Sep  7 15:42:18 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:42:18 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
Message-ID: <8E4904F0-413A-4EB6-B871-CDFC39BABA2C@mollysrevenge.com>

Months ago, I got some guidance form Trevor on how to drag and drop  
into and out of a datagrid.  I ended up not needing to do it at the  
time but now I do and I can't find the notes I made on it.  I've  
searched the online datagrid documentation and can't find anything on  
this subject.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,

Pete Haworth











From bobs at twft.com  Tue Sep  7 16:04:37 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:04:37 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X Textured Button custom control
In-Reply-To: <1283706206943-2527471.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1283706206943-2527471.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F1A921FB-0713-4041-AA69-227D470F0669@twft.com>

I had an issue with the button for some reason. When I clicked it quickly, the button stayed hilited until I clicked again (sometimes). If I clicked slowly, the button behaved properly (almost all the time). 

Bob


On Sep 5, 2010, at 10:03 AM, theworcestersource.com wrote:

> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> Just thought I'd drop a quick line to let you know that I've uploaded a
> custom control to Rev Online. It's a nice little textured button, together
> with metal/gray image and is really useful for home windows that seem to be
> adorning Mac applications these days.
> 
> The stack's also available on my site on the try/buy page (don't worry about
> the name of this page: the stack itself is free).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Steve
> www.theworcestersource.com
> -- 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 16:26:28 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:26:28 +0200
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
In-Reply-To: <8E4904F0-413A-4EB6-B871-CDFC39BABA2C@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <8E4904F0-413A-4EB6-B871-CDFC39BABA2C@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwkKh=7xSzPPvN7zbZgEgL73WXcTiY6=A2WCEM@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> Months ago, I got some guidance form Trevor on how to drag and drop into and
> out of a datagrid. ?I ended up not needing to do it at the time but now I do
> and I can't find the notes I made on it. ?I've searched the online datagrid
> documentation and can't find anything on this subject. ?Can anyone point me
> in the right direction?
> Thanks,
>
> Pete Haworth

Hi Pete,

That is the thread you have opened months ago:
http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333.

For reorder lines in the same Data Grid, install the copy of the Data
Grid Helper I sent you today.
Select a Datagrid, then go to the Scripts topics of the properties
palette. You have a menu "Reorder lines". Click on the "Install
script" button to fill the datagrid group with the code you need.

This is good opportunity to test this new DGH's feature. ;)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 17:36:57 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:36:57 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <4867757343.20100907111651@ahsoftware.net>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4867757343.20100907111651@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <72A825E0-DD1D-45A4-BF5D-F3DC1601E35B@sweattechnologies.com>

Thanks Mark 

But I don't think that's causing an issue. Have you tried version 1.1? The stack needs to close on the first run or it won't get the preOpenStack message when it is chosen from the menu. Unfortunately there's no option for plugins to do some startup stuff but not load the stack. I guess I could separate out the startup code into a separate invisible plugin and just leave revObjective modeless. It puts the place object menu on the too palette. Yeah, I'll do that for V1.2 because 1 it's a valid plugin on it's own for accessing the rev object library and 2 people might want revObjective but not that change to the tools palette and 3 KISS.
> 
> It's the "close stack" command at the end of your preOpenStack
> handler in the stack script. I can get rid of the error if I change
> the last few lines of that handler to

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Sep  7 17:38:24 2010
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:38:24 +0100
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>	<AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4C86B0D0.2040109@cogapp.com>

On 07/09/2010 09:51, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> This is very bad news for my long-held campaign to introduce '@' as an
> optional (but one day might be checked) prefix to a parameter, to indicate
> in the calling line that this is passed by reference.

He was subsequently forced to retract partially, see below.

On 07/09/2010 14:56, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Err, Ben, this is actually in place since forever... we can pass by
> references values with @....

and on 07/09/2010 16:34, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Ben wants to be able to use the '@' (presumably as an option, with no actual
> effect) in the calling script, to help remind him that the variable will/may
> be changed within the handler.

Andre - yeah, what Alex said.   Both caller and callee need to be fully aware 
when a parameter is by reference - it's a contract, and needs informed consent 
on both sides.  Currently we have only presumed consent on the part of the caller.

On 07/09/2010 17:07, Mark Wieder wrote:
> I went to go vote for this bug report/enhancement request, but I can't
> exactly find it.

At which point Ben has to apologise for his hyperbole, and admit that 
"long-held campaign" means "long-held view, but never done anything about it 
since posting to the now defunct Xtalks mailing list in May 2004".  There was 
a lively (for Xtalks!) discussion, but nothing came of it (except the 
interesting observation from Doug Simons, who maintains SenseTalk, that he has 
the reverse; it's the caller that indicates a variable is passed by reference, 
he allows but ignores @ in the function declaration, only to maintain 
compatibility with Transcript).  At that time I had an idealistic view that 
extensions to the language were better proposed and discussed in Xtalks first, 
before specifically proposing that Rev adopt them.

I've now, better late than never, opened a report at RQCC:
	http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8945

Ben


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 17:38:56 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 23:38:56 +0200
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikwkKh=7xSzPPvN7zbZgEgL73WXcTiY6=A2WCEM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E4904F0-413A-4EB6-B871-CDFC39BABA2C@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTikwkKh=7xSzPPvN7zbZgEgL73WXcTiY6=A2WCEM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLmpkhrBMZDu+ZPbvf_pA0RmnpDORVxP3j_Zr7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:26 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
>> Months ago, I got some guidance form Trevor on how to drag and drop into and
>> out of a datagrid. ?I ended up not needing to do it at the time but now I do
>> and I can't find the notes I made on it. ?I've searched the online datagrid
>> documentation and can't find anything on this subject. ?Can anyone point me
>> in the right direction?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pete Haworth
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> That is the thread you have opened months ago:
> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333.
>
> For reorder lines in the same Data Grid, install the copy of the Data
> Grid Helper I sent you today.
> Select a Datagrid, then go to the Scripts topics of the properties
> palette. You have a menu "Reorder lines". Click on the "Install
> script" button to fill the datagrid group with the code you need.
>
> This is good opportunity to test this new DGH's feature. ;)
>


And it was a good exercise for an experiment stack. 8-)
I have just uploaded a new stack in the Slug's lab.

You can download this stack here:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=11:experiment-15-drag-drop-in-dg&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63



Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep  7 18:35:19 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:35:19 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <72A825E0-DD1D-45A4-BF5D-F3DC1601E35B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4867757343.20100907111651@ahsoftware.net>
	<72A825E0-DD1D-45A4-BF5D-F3DC1601E35B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <5FC3409A-F5E7-4F89-81F6-FD88DAB9E2D7@sweattechnologies.com>

>  I guess I could separate out the startup code into a separate invisible plugin and just leave revObjective modeless.

OK, Done, I'll release V1.2 tonight. The startup plugin is not as independent as I would have liked because it simplified things to move the revObjective FrontScript into it also. So not using the startup plugin will disable the standalone builder stuff, drag and drop from revObjective to stacks and the tools palette object menu.

V 1.2 will also copy behavior scripts over to revObjective when you add a control, previously you had to copy the script over manually.

PS Anyone wishing to distribute their custom controls with revObjective is welcome to do so. Just contact me off list.

Cheers
--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep  7 20:20:09 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:20:09 -0700
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <72A825E0-DD1D-45A4-BF5D-F3DC1601E35B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4867757343.20100907111651@ahsoftware.net>
	<72A825E0-DD1D-45A4-BF5D-F3DC1601E35B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <5089545453.20100907172009@ahsoftware.net>

Monte-

Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 2:36:57 PM, you wrote:

> Thanks Mark 

> But I don't think that's causing an issue. Have you tried version
> 1.1? The stack needs to close on the first run or it won't get the
> preOpenStack message when it is chosen from the menu. Unfortunately

Yep - that's with version 1.1. Works a treat.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep  7 20:24:55 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:24:55 -0700
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
	function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <4C86B0D0.2040109@cogapp.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net> <4C86B0D0.2040109@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <2289831609.20100907172455@ahsoftware.net>

Ben-

Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 2:38:24 PM, you wrote:

> I've now, better late than never, opened a report at RQCC:
>         http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8945

Thanks. I added my votes.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 01:01:49 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [feature] did you guys knew that "?" is a valid character for
 function/command name?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbibq+HYLu0H6r4ffkbm9B1eVqm5isXD3R4o-B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=CChB2-YzyYDkXEaVX_zpAB6jieOKpB2hzW2B_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142263799546.20100905140109@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C85FD17.1060305@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTimRzicPyeYMiy-VgQYA9RMHsJZrZ0ss-kynL2CX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C865B6A.9050906@tweedly.net>
	<1283878603887-2530061.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinbibq+HYLu0H6r4ffkbm9B1eVqm5isXD3R4o-B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1283922109946-2530778.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Stephen,


Stephen Barncard-4 wrote:
> 
> If one is interested in speed, it can be quite useful.
> 
> Also you could write scripts with no functions! Just commands. Return the
> data in the same variable without copying to another (which happens in
> functions).
> 
> It's  a different coding style for sure.
> 

Many thanks for replying to my request.
I had found only this thread about "passing by reference":
http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg15260.html

Did you know if there is a benchmark that compares this
particular method of "passing by reference" with conventional  
programming techniques used in this platform?

The advantages of one method or another
should look clear in a benchmark.

Thanks in advance!

Al
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Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 06:00:55 2010
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:00:55 +0100
Subject: Functionality AND good taste?
In-Reply-To: <20100907170018.EAE272882F7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100907170018.EAE272882F7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6C21A57F-09EF-45B0-A403-1734724B2127@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Hello folks,

I am being encouraged by customers to update and improve a Rev built product I produced many years ago.  I have a wish list for functionality changes, but I am slightly depressed at how ugly and old the original looks.  I have decided to start again from scratch, so there are no limitations on what I can do, other than those imposed by Rev and my abilities (mostly the latter). 

I have no background in design, but would like to make the product look better and up to date.  I know I can pretty much change the appearance of anything in Rev, but this is a serious product for technical use, so I am not thinking oval windows and faux glass skins.   I also strongly subscribe to the view that less is more, so I don't want reflections and things swooshing about.  Are there any books or online resources on making software look simple and good?

Thanks

Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

i-psych.co.uk




From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Tue Sep  7 00:28:37 2010
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:28:37 +0200
Subject: SelectedChunk problem (part 2)
In-Reply-To: <4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5EB1D3A-7EDE-4C5E-82DC-BF84999E3306@wanadoo.fr>
	<4C7D954A.9050104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F9AA9BF0-B383-47BC-8DFF-375BAEAF3E80@wanadoo.fr>

here's the result

i][ 				char 2 to 1 of field 1
il][ 				char 3 to 2 of field 1
il ][ 				char 4 to 3 of field 1
il m][ 				char 5 to 4 of field 1
il me][ 			char 6 to 5 of field 1
il men][ 			char 7 to 6 of field 1
il menj][ 			char 8 to 7 of field 1
il menj ][ 			char 9 to 8 of field 1

here I go to an another paletteStack
( this palette stack use external C++ fonction, I hope that's not the  
problem)
then I come back to the field

il mn][j  			char 5 to 4 of field 1
il man][j  			char 6 to 5 of field 1
il manj][  			char 7 to 6 of field 1
il manj ][ 			char 8 to 7 of field 1
il man ][ 			char 7 to 6 of field 1
il mang ][ 			char 8 to 7 of field 1
il mange ][ 			char 9 to 8 of field 1
il mange  ][ 			char 10 to 9 of field 1
][il mange u
][il mange un
][il mange un


Le 1 sept. 10 ? 01:50, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

>
> On 8/28/10 12:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Soto wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have some problem with the SelectedChunk function. It's work  
>> well but
>> sometime it return empty.
>>
>> I can type character and I have the flashing insertion cursor in the
>> field but the result is still empty.
>>
>> I must leave the field and re-enter it to have correct result.
>>
>> Does anyone know that problem ?
>
> Can you post a your script? I'm not sure what you mean about the  
> result.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From biodan at biodan.org  Mon Sep  6 16:27:28 2010
From: biodan at biodan.org (biodan)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revCopyFile problems on Mac OS X.6.4
In-Reply-To: <4045C960-6A21-4941-B79E-B71157DA200B@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <DD4951BB-AC28-4BDE-8453-07E04A3854F5@derbrill.de>
	<BBE0ADC3-AD77-46C9-B99C-9A7C2152B7C9@derbrill.de>
	<1283725098193-2527750.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4045C960-6A21-4941-B79E-B71157DA200B@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <1283804848025-2528852.post@n4.nabble.com>


After i posted, i caught the quote var issue, but bear in mind, i'm talking
about command-line from a Terminal shell, NOT the using the Rev IDE GUI. I
use rev a lot for utility scripts to hash data - no need for a GUI in these
instances.

Thierry wrote:
> put tCmd
> should have given you enough explanation...

After changing my code, I get the following from calling 'put tCmd' :

>   cp /Users/adan/Desktop/t.txt /Users/adan/Desktop/test/

> Personally,  I never use this error prone syntax of putting vars inside
> quoted strings...
 
agreed, i slipped in this example, but have used the shell 'cp' command
successfully in Linux with rev3.5 and earlier- all from a pure command-line
usage

> ##### One way to do it :

> put "cp" && q( tInfile) && q( tOutDir) into tCmd
> put shell( tCmd )
> end mouseUp

You are using the IDE ('mouseup')  ! i am using a command-line script
starting with

#!/Users/adan/bin/rev40  -- copied the Standalone to my ~/bin
on startup
  .... code here....
end startup

Your examples below do not work for me from a command-line with rev3.5 or
rev4 engines in OSX from a command-line. 

In Ubuntu, the rev4 engine fails too - i have never had much luck with the
rev4 engine in Linux -  but rev3.5 works pretty well.  

After reading the release notes for 4.5beta, it appears the standalone from
4.0 onwards no longer works in pure command-line (e.g. cgi) form. Too
bad....

As it is, i can't download the 4.5beta, getting a 404 from both Mac OSX and
Linux (i have Enterprise).

>function q t
 >  return quote & t & quote
> end q

>##### Another way which I prefer :

>get format( "cp   ' %s '   ' %s ' ", tInfile, tOutDir )
>put shell( it )

> ##### A variation of it, which is how I code :

> on mouseUp   
>   get shell( format( "cp   '%s' '%s'",      \
>          $HOME & "/Desktop/test.txt" , \
>         $HOME & "/Desktop/outDir"     ) )
>end mouseUp 
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From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 10:01:44 2010
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:01:44 +0100
Subject: InstallGadget 2.0 Public Testing
In-Reply-To: <20100907105838.0674A2882E6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100907105838.0674A2882E6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <19294906-429F-4A81-9BF6-338184A20CC0@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>



On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:58 am, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Hi Everyone
> 
> If you are interested in being involved in testing InstallGadget 2.0 and it's Rev plugin please download from http://goulding.ws/installgadget/installgadget-2-0-public-testing/ and send comments off list to monte at goulding.ws
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> 
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave

I have been using InstallGadget 1.0 for a long time and it has been astonishingly well behaved, despite the significant OS changes since it was developed.  

InstallGadget 2.0 looks interesting.  Being rather lazy, I quite like the idea of Windows installers on Mac, without the hassle of fiddling about with my Windows Machines - but I have no other reason to use Winebottler - which effectively would be a 55MB helper app!

Took me just a few ticks to create a .DMG, which worked fine.  How do they do that thing with the big arrow pointing to an alias of the app folder?

I suppose I should have sent this off list, but I think that Installgadget deserves a bit of unsolicited praise.



Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

i-psych.co.uk


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep  8 10:26:44 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:26:44 -0700
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
Message-ID: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>

http://support.versiontracker.com/cgi-bin/cnettechtracker.cfg/php/enduser/st
d_adp.php?p_faqid=1988&tag=StickyWin_1283912963975;vtWelcomeModal


This link showed up on tidbits - very sad. Versiontracker was once the place
you just had to submit your mac product to, to get the word out.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep  8 10:31:09 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:31:09 -0700
Subject: Audio Plugin Update
Message-ID: <068515FC08BB4615A11FFAB702899FFA@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

Just a quick note to let you know the audio plugin we've been talking about
will be entering beta soon (at least on Windows). More news shortly - I just
wanted to set your expectations that something is coming :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep  8 10:45:33 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:45:33 -0300
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=P0oKJ0LFq0cZyoPQNWZ9ZpMQrygQnkpiJs9ha@mail.gmail.com>

That is really sad. Versiontracker was way ahead of the similar sites.
I really enjoyed working with it.

I went to the new CNET site and guess what, two softwares I built
still there but with the wrong dl count :-/

BlogWorkz
http://download.cnet.com/BlogWorkz/3000-10440_4-10254441.html?tag=mncol

iBlog
http://download.cnet.com/iBlog-Classic/3000-2155_4-20585.html?tag=mncol

There's an interesting story there. Once upon a time, when blogs were
not as mainstream as they are today, back in Mac OS 9, I created the
first blog client for the Macintosh. I think I was one of the first
developers to support Pyra/Blogger API 1.0. The software was called
iBlog and was done with REALBasic (this is before me migrating my
development to Rev).

iBlog was quite successful but times marched on and Mac OS X was
released. The first REALBasic release for Mac OS X was quite buggy so
I decided to learn Objective-C/Cocoa to develop a native client and so
BlogWorkz was built. BlogWorkz is basically a clone of iBlog
implemented in a different toolkit.

For a while, I controlled a big chunk of the blog client for mac
ecosystem and it was fun because I controlled the competition because
I made both clients and improved them like matching features on each
other for a while. Some people started saying that BlogWorkz was
better, others saying that iBlog was there first and was more stable,
many never noticed that a single developer built both clients... I had
mischievous fun seeing this happen because both clients were hosted at
the same domain and no one noticed.

Later I discovered Rev and reimplemented BlogWorkz in Rev. I also
created BRP (Blog Research Project) in Rev which is a basic iBlog
reimplementation done in a single day. I never released the new
version because these days there are so many blog clients available
that it is not worth to implement all the features they have just for
the sake of competition.

VersionTracker was my main source of customers. MacUpdate never came
close. I'd spend my morning looking on the web for high profile
macintosh bloggers, I would send them a free copy of my software and
kindly ask for a review and feedback. This practice was responsible
for maybe 30% of the sales, the rest was people searching
VersionTracker. Till today, BlogWorkz still sells a license or two per
year. I usually refund them and give the guys a serial anyway, it is
no longer supported.







On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Lynn Fredricks
<lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:
> http://support.versiontracker.com/cgi-bin/cnettechtracker.cfg/php/enduser/st
> d_adp.php?p_faqid=1988&tag=StickyWin_1283912963975;vtWelcomeModal
>
>
> This link showed up on tidbits - very sad. Versiontracker was once the place
> you just had to submit your mac product to, to get the word out.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep  8 10:54:29 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:54:29 +0200
Subject: Audio Plugin Update
In-Reply-To: <068515FC08BB4615A11FFAB702899FFA@GATEWAY>
References: <068515FC08BB4615A11FFAB702899FFA@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <6987A908-4D89-46E3-AEA8-0DDEA5ED0170@numericable.com>

Not for Mac ?
:-(

Le 8 sept. 2010 ? 16:31, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit :

> Hello all,
> 
> Just a quick note to let you know the audio plugin we've been talking about
> will be entering beta soon (at least on Windows). More news shortly - I just
> wanted to set your expectations that something is coming :-)
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  8 11:00:40 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 08:00:40 -0700
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
Message-ID: <4C87A518.9080309@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> http://support.versiontracker.com/cgi-bin/cnettechtracker.cfg/php/enduser/st
> d_adp.php?p_faqid=1988&tag=StickyWin_1283912963975;vtWelcomeModal
>
>
> This link showed up on tidbits - very sad. Versiontracker was once the place
> you just had to submit your mac product to, to get the word out.

Very sad.  VersionTracker was by far the most efficient and effective 
place to post apps.

Such consolidation in markets sometimes has unexpected consequences:


When Starbucks started destroying the revenue of so many privately owned 
coffee houses, an unexpected side effect was the impact on the 
independent music scene.

When bands play at clubs, most of the audience are friends of the band 
who show up to hear their pals and leave as soon as they're off stage, 
so bands don't get many new fans in clubs.

But a lot of privately owned coffee houses host regular music events, 
and in those venues the audience is there to hang out for the scene more 
than the band, so those shops wound up playing a useful role in 
expanding the listener base for many small bands I know.

Now that so many such coffee houses have been displaced by Starbucks, a 
lot of good music when with them.


It's hard to say what the long-term implications of VersionTracker's 
demise will be.  But given their unparalleled excellence, it won't be 
good.  Download.com may have the eyeballs, but it simply doesn't have 
anywhere near as good an infrastructure for developers.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  8 11:02:47 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:02:47 +0200
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=P0oKJ0LFq0cZyoPQNWZ9ZpMQrygQnkpiJs9ha@mail.gmail.com>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
	<AANLkTi=P0oKJ0LFq0cZyoPQNWZ9ZpMQrygQnkpiJs9ha@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <921AFCAA-9408-41DD-A246-FC14D986CAB1@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

This is no news. The process started 2 years ago and has now been completed. The only goal of the merge was to take out a competitor. It is sad indeed, because I was a happy user of VersionTracker. VT helped me to publish software and generate money. C|Net makes this impossible, unless I am willing to pay for their services, which I am not. From experience, I must say that C|Net's services are of very low quality, the support department is largely disfunctional, the developer portal is broken in many places (I'm unable to update my old products at the moment), and your new software is listed after a very long delay, when you're about to release yet another version already. If you don't pay, your software will never appear on the front page. All this is very different from what VT once was.

Because I saw this coming, I made a start with my own software publishing site. I would like to encourage you all to enter your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com . I promise: the more software titles are entered, the better I will make the website. Of course, RunRev developers will enjoy special benefits (possibilities I'm considereing are: special offers, RunRev-compatible API, plug-ins, etc).

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 8 sep 2010, at 16:45, Andre Garzia wrote:

> That is really sad. Versiontracker was way ahead of the similar sites.
> I really enjoyed working with it.
> 
> I went to the new CNET site and guess what, two softwares I built
> still there but with the wrong dl count :-/
> 
> BlogWorkz
> http://download.cnet.com/BlogWorkz/3000-10440_4-10254441.html?tag=mncol
> 
> iBlog
> http://download.cnet.com/iBlog-Classic/3000-2155_4-20585.html?tag=mncol
> 
> There's an interesting story there. Once upon a time, when blogs were
> not as mainstream as they are today, back in Mac OS 9, I created the
> first blog client for the Macintosh. I think I was one of the first
> developers to support Pyra/Blogger API 1.0. The software was called
> iBlog and was done with REALBasic (this is before me migrating my
> development to Rev).
> 
> iBlog was quite successful but times marched on and Mac OS X was
> released. The first REALBasic release for Mac OS X was quite buggy so
> I decided to learn Objective-C/Cocoa to develop a native client and so
> BlogWorkz was built. BlogWorkz is basically a clone of iBlog
> implemented in a different toolkit.
> 
> For a while, I controlled a big chunk of the blog client for mac
> ecosystem and it was fun because I controlled the competition because
> I made both clients and improved them like matching features on each
> other for a while. Some people started saying that BlogWorkz was
> better, others saying that iBlog was there first and was more stable,
> many never noticed that a single developer built both clients... I had
> mischievous fun seeing this happen because both clients were hosted at
> the same domain and no one noticed.
> 
> Later I discovered Rev and reimplemented BlogWorkz in Rev. I also
> created BRP (Blog Research Project) in Rev which is a basic iBlog
> reimplementation done in a single day. I never released the new
> version because these days there are so many blog clients available
> that it is not worth to implement all the features they have just for
> the sake of competition.
> 
> VersionTracker was my main source of customers. MacUpdate never came
> close. I'd spend my morning looking on the web for high profile
> macintosh bloggers, I would send them a free copy of my software and
> kindly ask for a review and feedback. This practice was responsible
> for maybe 30% of the sales, the rest was people searching
> VersionTracker. Till today, BlogWorkz still sells a license or two per
> year. I usually refund them and give the guys a serial anyway, it is
> no longer supported.



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 11:06:31 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:06:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Functionality AND good taste?
In-Reply-To: <6C21A57F-09EF-45B0-A403-1734724B2127@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <6C21A57F-09EF-45B0-A403-1734724B2127@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1283958391112-2531453.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi David,


David Glasgow wrote:
> 
> I am being encouraged by customers to update and improve
> a Rev built product I produced many years ago.
> I have a wish list for functionality changes, but I am slightly
> depressed at how ugly and old the original looks.
> I have decided to start again from scratch, so there are no
> limitations on what I can do, other than those imposed by
> Rev and my abilities (mostly the latter). 
> 
> I have no background in design, but would like to make the
> product look better and up to date.  I know I can pretty
> much change the appearance of anything in Rev, but this
> is a serious product for technical use, so I am not thinking
> oval windows and faux glass skins.
> 
> I also strongly subscribe to the view that less is more,
> so I don't want reflections and things swooshing about.
> 
> Are there any books or online resources on making software
> look simple and good?
> 

Could you create an interface that user could customize
at will? That is, user could change backgroud colors
or patterns, change font name, size and color, change
button icons,etc... or maybe this is too much???

David, start experimenting with striped backgrounds like Apple's,
graphic effects like shadows and glow to add a simple 3d look,
You could use a monochrome palette (a single color with lighter
and darker shades) and minimalist icon designs that shows
only the silhouette. 

Richard Gaskin have links in his website to Apple and Microsoft
GUI guidelines.

Al


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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep  8 11:08:49 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:08:49 -0700
Subject: Audio Plugin Update
In-Reply-To: <6987A908-4D89-46E3-AEA8-0DDEA5ED0170@numericable.com>
References: <068515FC08BB4615A11FFAB702899FFA@GATEWAY>
	<6987A908-4D89-46E3-AEA8-0DDEA5ED0170@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <5BE7A4941AC7422F87FED521E8661F86@GATEWAY>

 > Not for Mac ?
> :-(

Beta will start on Windows, but there will be a Mac version too.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Sep  8 11:11:15 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:11:15 +0100
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 84, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEFDCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Thierry: You cannot 'set the cursor' during a DragMove (the command is
simply ignored) so locking the cursor is moot.

Stephen: You seem to be correct... Works on Macs but not on Windows. Tried
v3.5 and v4.0, both refuse to change the drag cursor, even when dynamically
setting the dragAction to 'copy' or 'move'. The cursor does change, but only
between the 2 states of 'none' and 'copy/move'.

Looks like an engine bug.

/H

--- Original problem
Does anyone know how to specify the drag cursor type? I am dragging images
around and want to display a 'copy' cursor (with a little plus sign) when
the ctrl key is down, a 'move' cursor (no little plus sign) when the ctrl
key is up, and a 'cantDrop' cursor when appropriate. The engine seems to
over-ride any attempt to 'set the cursor'.

Hugh
FLCo



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep  8 11:13:13 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:13:13 -0700
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <4C87A518.9080309@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C87A518.9080309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <296A714BD83C496E9969D3117465362E@GATEWAY>

 > It's hard to say what the long-term implications of VersionTracker's 
> demise will be.  But given their unparalleled excellence, it won't be 
> good.  Download.com may have the eyeballs, but it simply doesn't have 
> anywhere near as good an infrastructure for developers.

It's a terrible experience - of course if you are paying to submit, at least
you can count on getting some kind of response.

It is the unfortunate result of companies getting acquired - from the
outside you never quite know what the reasons were, and frequently the
sellers really do not care if the product is subsequently killed or not.
Then you have some level of sabotage that occurs when you try to gel two (or
more teams).

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  8 11:16:52 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 08:16:52 -0700
Subject: Functionality AND good taste?
Message-ID: <4C87A8E4.8040303@fourthworld.com>

David Glasgow wrote:

 > I am being encouraged by customers to update and improve a Rev built
 > product I produced many years ago.  I have a wish list for
 > functionality changes, but I am slightly depressed at how ugly and
 > old the original looks.  I have decided to start again from scratch,
 > so there are no limitations on what I can do, other than those
 > imposed by Rev and my abilities (mostly the latter).
 >
 > I have no background in design, but would like to make the product
 > look better and up to date.  I know I can pretty much change the
 > appearance of anything in Rev, but this is a serious product for
 > technical use, so I am not thinking oval windows and faux glass
 > skins.   I also strongly subscribe to the view that less is more,
 > so I don't want reflections and things swooshing about.  Are there
 > any books or online resources on making software look simple and good?

When in doubt, get inspiration from the Human Interface Guidelines:


OS X:
<http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html>

Windows:
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=e49820cb-954d-45ae-9cb3-1b9e8ea7fe8c>

Gnome (Linux):
<http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/>


Following those guidelines will at least make your app look more like 
the rest of the user experience on those platforms.

Moreoever, each of them spends some time discussing the underlying 
principles behind the specs, which can be very helpful in adapting them 
to your specific app in ways that work reasonably well with them.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From shari at gypsyware.com  Wed Sep  8 11:24:02 2010
From: shari at gypsyware.com (shari at gypsyware.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:24:02 -0400
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>

I totally needed this thread today!  I spent a very frustrating 45 mins
this morning attempting to update one of my titles both on Versiontracker
and CNET/Download.com and while it let me waste my time filling in all the
new info, when I hit the SUBMIT button it said "page not found" or
something to that effect.  I tried it twice and neither time did it take.

It left me miserable all morning until I read this thread.  At least now I
know it isn't me. Thank you for posting this!

Shari


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  8 11:34:44 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:34:44 +0200
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
	<f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
Message-ID: <FDD66E38-2F29-4DE4-876D-FED6AFCA902C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Shari,

That's exactly what happened to me and when I tried to contact support, pressing the Submit button didn't seem to have any effect.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 8 sep 2010, at 17:24, shari at gypsyware.com wrote:

> I totally needed this thread today!  I spent a very frustrating 45 mins
> this morning attempting to update one of my titles both on Versiontracker
> and CNET/Download.com and while it let me waste my time filling in all the
> new info, when I hit the SUBMIT button it said "page not found" or
> something to that effect.  I tried it twice and neither time did it take.
> 
> It left me miserable all morning until I read this thread.  At least now I
> know it isn't me. Thank you for posting this!
> 
> Shari




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Wed Sep  8 12:05:27 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:05:27 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
In-Reply-To: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks!  That's weird, I searched the forum for "drag" and "drop" and  
my thread didn't appear in the results.  Got the latest version of DGH  
by the way, just haven't had time to test it more yet.

Pete Haworth

On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:45 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:26:28 +0200
> From: zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Datagrid Drag and Drop
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTikwkKh=7xSzPPvN7zbZgEgL73WXcTiY6=A2WCEM at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Peter Haworth  
> <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
>> Months ago, I got some guidance form Trevor on how to drag and drop  
>> into and
>> out of a datagrid.  I ended up not needing to do it at the time but  
>> now I do
>> and I can't find the notes I made on it.  I've searched the online  
>> datagrid
>> documentation and can't find anything on this subject.  Can anyone  
>> point me
>> in the right direction?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pete Haworth
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> That is the thread you have opened months ago:
> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333.
>
> For reorder lines in the same Data Grid, install the copy of the Data
> Grid Helper I sent you today.
> Select a Datagrid, then go to the Scripts topics of the properties
> palette. You have a menu "Reorder lines". Click on the "Install
> script" button to fill the datagrid group with the code you need.
>
> This is good opportunity to test this new DGH's feature. ;)
>
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep  8 12:13:24 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:13:24 +0200
Subject: Audio Plugin Update
In-Reply-To: <5BE7A4941AC7422F87FED521E8661F86@GATEWAY>
References: <068515FC08BB4615A11FFAB702899FFA@GATEWAY>
	<6987A908-4D89-46E3-AEA8-0DDEA5ED0170@numericable.com>
	<5BE7A4941AC7422F87FED521E8661F86@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <59D7278F-CB44-4060-8D3D-74E6CD01CF90@numericable.com>

:-)

Le 8 sept. 2010 ? 17:08, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit :

>> Not for Mac ?
>> :-(
> 
> Beta will start on Windows, but there will be a Mac version too.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
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> 
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 12:52:56 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:52:56 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>


I have been using version 4.0 for about 2 months and find one thing  
very annoying, that does not happen in version 3.5

When I set a breakpoint in the margin that appears as a red circle,  
then run the handler, the breakpoint works as expected.  If I make a  
change in the code on a different line, then run again, the breakpoint  
is ignored.

The circle is still red, and the breakpoint pane shows that it is  
active, but it is still ignored.

The only technique I found to work is to turn off the break, then turn  
it on again.  This is very cumbersome when there are a few breaks  
along a sizable handler, since that involves scrolling up and down to  
reset them.

Is there a preference to set?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 13:00:38 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:00:38 +0300
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <FDD66E38-2F29-4DE4-876D-FED6AFCA902C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>	<f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
	<FDD66E38-2F29-4DE4-876D-FED6AFCA902C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C87C136.9050205@gmail.com>

I send my stuff out through MacUpdate, which is all very well
for Mac software; but I would like to find something similar for
Windows and Linux.


From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Sep  8 13:02:55 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:02:55 -0700
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
	<f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
Message-ID: <E49F81A6-ED33-4429-8301-D09049DB01F0@mac.com>

Safari doesn't work. You have to use Firefox.

I agree this isn't new. They have been integrated for a while. When I first published InfoWallet it made it to the Mac site immediately. The Windows version had to go through CNET and took forever.

The guy who did the Mac side was the guy who did VersionTracker. He was terrific.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:24 AM, shari at gypsyware.com wrote:

> I totally needed this thread today!  I spent a very frustrating 45 mins
> this morning attempting to update one of my titles both on Versiontracker
> and CNET/Download.com and while it let me waste my time filling in all the
> new info, when I hit the SUBMIT button it said "page not found" or
> something to that effect.  I tried it twice and neither time did it take.
> 
> It left me miserable all morning until I read this thread.  At least now I
> know it isn't me. Thank you for posting this!
> 
> Shari
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  8 13:05:01 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:05:01 +0200
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <E49F81A6-ED33-4429-8301-D09049DB01F0@mac.com>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
	<f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
	<E49F81A6-ED33-4429-8301-D09049DB01F0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A3C28407-F4C0-492F-A1B2-62ED7B523661@economy-x-talk.com>

I use Firefox. The developers' portal of C|Net doesn't work for me.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 8 sep 2010, at 19:02, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Safari doesn't work. You have to use Firefox.
> 
> I agree this isn't new. They have been integrated for a while. When I first published InfoWallet it made it to the Mac site immediately. The Windows version had to go through CNET and took forever.
> 
> The guy who did the Mac side was the guy who did VersionTracker. He was terrific.
> 
> Bill Vlahos



From shari at gypsyware.com  Wed Sep  8 13:06:17 2010
From: shari at gypsyware.com (shari at gypsyware.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:06:17 -0400
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <E49F81A6-ED33-4429-8301-D09049DB01F0@mac.com>
References: <89D1F1512FC94C0891E6D35F7D004128@GATEWAY>
	<f8428130785a97c62b7393cd82a6b4ff.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>
	<E49F81A6-ED33-4429-8301-D09049DB01F0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8974bd298a3bb82b1fc1241109436566.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>

I use Camino.  I don't even have the others installed.

> Safari doesn't work. You have to use Firefox.
>
> I agree this isn't new. They have been integrated for a while. When I
> first published InfoWallet it made it to the Mac site immediately. The
> Windows version had to go through CNET and took forever.
>
> The guy who did the Mac side was the guy who did VersionTracker. He was
> terrific.
>
> Bill Vlahos


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 13:10:09 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:10:09 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0 - clarification
In-Reply-To: <7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C8433CF8-0D9F-48DF-BCC1-4765AAF40656@yahoo.com>


On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>
> I have been using version 4.0 for about 2 months and find one thing  
> very annoying, that does not happen in version 3.5
It does happen in
4.0  &  3.5   on  OSX 10.6.4    Mac mini  2.4 Ghz Intel CoreDuo
4.0        on OSX 10.5.8     G5  PPC

but not on
3.5         on OSX 10.5.8     G5  PPC


>
> When I set a breakpoint in the margin that appears as a red circle,  
> then run the handler, the breakpoint works as expected.  If I make a  
> change in the code on a different line, then run again, the  
> breakpoint is ignored.
>
> The circle is still red, and the breakpoint pane shows that it is  
> active, but it is still ignored.
>
> The only technique I found to work is to turn off the break, then  
> turn it on again.  This is very cumbersome when there are a few  
> breaks along a sizable handler, since that involves scrolling up and  
> down to reset them.
>
> Is there a preference to set?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Sep  8 13:37:58 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:37:58 +0100
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <921AFCAA-9408-41DD-A246-FC14D986CAB1@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C8AD8886.13DE9%kevin@runrev.com>

On 08/09/2010 16:02, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> This is no news. The process started 2 years ago and has now been completed.
> The only goal of the merge was to take out a competitor. It is sad indeed,
> because I was a happy user of VersionTracker. VT helped me to publish software
> and generate money. C|Net makes this impossible, unless I am willing to pay
> for their services, which I am not. From experience, I must say that C|Net's
> services are of very low quality, the support department is largely
> disfunctional, the developer portal is broken in many places (I'm unable to
> update my old products at the moment), and your new software is listed after a
> very long delay, when you're about to release yet another version already. If
> you don't pay, your software will never appear on the front page. All this is
> very different from what VT once was.

I have to say that I agree. VersionTracker worked really well. Every time
we've worked with download.com we've found it to be hard to use, for the
service to be slow and inefficient. The site is simply not as much fun for
the end user either. I hope they learn something from VersionTracker and
upgrade it, because if not this is not a good thing.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 13:52:43 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:52:43 +0200
Subject: Datagrid Drag and Drop
In-Reply-To: <EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=fQFV-fN-9QaSytkenVmKjncXGR-D2zU2WJ30p@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> Thanks! ?That's weird, I searched the forum for "drag" and "drop" and my
> thread didn't appear in the results. ?Got the latest version of DGH by the
> way, just haven't had time to test it more yet.

Pete,

No problem with that.

Give also a try to the experiment 15 in my lab. Should be a start for
your drag & drop needs.
The link is in my previous reply.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep  8 13:55:52 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:55:52 -0700
Subject: Accessing Google Maps
In-Reply-To: <20100908170004.B1BAE288042@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100908170004.B1BAE288042@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0770977D-D178-4BF3-9AE4-9227DE4F3EB4@sbcglobal.net>

I assume this is simple. I want to select an address from a list, say  
1210 Cheastnut Ln, Davis Ca, 95616 from which I would construct the  
address for a Google map:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616


How do I then open this url in Safari?

Thanks,

Jim



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  8 14:00:58 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:00:58 +0200
Subject: Accessing Google Maps
In-Reply-To: <0770977D-D178-4BF3-9AE4-9227DE4F3EB4@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100908170004.B1BAE288042@mail.runrev.com>
	<0770977D-D178-4BF3-9AE4-9227DE4F3EB4@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CF6B4C39-F13A-4B0C-B55F-ED8F1AF3FE2B@economy-x-talk.com>

Jim,

put "http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616" into myUrl
launch url myUrl

On older versions of RunRev, use revGoUrl instead of launch url.

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Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce
Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 8 sep 2010, at 19:55, James Hurley wrote:

> I assume this is simple. I want to select an address from a list, say 1210 Cheastnut Ln, Davis Ca, 95616 from which I would construct the address for a Google map:
> 
> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616
> 
> 
> How do I then open this url in Safari?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim



From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 15:16:43 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:16:43 EDT
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
Message-ID: <76b08.2957f148.39b93b1b@aol.com>

I don't see this behavior at all, and I bet nobody else does. Wierd, but it 
is something in your setup. This would be maddening, as you say.

Anyone?

Craig Newman


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 15:27:07 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:07 EDT
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
Message-ID: <7778a.2ea76425.39b93d8b@aol.com>

Jim.

I guess I should have mentioned that the problem does not exist in OS 
10.4.11. Rev v. 4.0 (build 950)

Craig


From simplsol at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 16:54:13 2010
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:54:13 -0700
Subject: Functionality AND good taste?
In-Reply-To: <6C21A57F-09EF-45B0-A403-1734724B2127@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20100907170018.EAE272882F7@mail.runrev.com>
	<6C21A57F-09EF-45B0-A403-1734724B2127@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0E4041D8-2DA7-416A-9DE9-44CF15FFBEB3@aol.com>

David,
You don't need to do it yourself.
It continues to amaze me but... great design can be bought!
I've hired Terza Snyder to improve some of my work and the changes  
are phenomenal. I could never in 20 years (or 100 design books) come  
up with the wonderful stuff she has. She knows what she is doing.
Engineering/Programming and Design are different disciplines/talents,  
it is a very rare person who excels at each.
Paul Looney

On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:00 AM, David Glasgow wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I am being encouraged by customers to update and improve a Rev  
> built product I produced many years ago.  I have a wish list for  
> functionality changes, but I am slightly depressed at how ugly and  
> old the original looks.  I have decided to start again from  
> scratch, so there are no limitations on what I can do, other than  
> those imposed by Rev and my abilities (mostly the latter).
>
> I have no background in design, but would like to make the product  
> look better and up to date.  I know I can pretty much change the  
> appearance of anything in Rev, but this is a serious product for  
> technical use, so I am not thinking oval windows and faux glass  
> skins.   I also strongly subscribe to the view that less is more,  
> so I don't want reflections and things swooshing about.  Are there  
> any books or online resources on making software look simple and good?
>
> Thanks
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> David Glasgow
> Carlton Glasgow Partnership
>
> i-psych.co.uk
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep  8 16:54:26 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:54:26 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>

Hey! I was having that exact problem with GLX2 (which I still use and love btw). I thought it was an incompatibility with Rev 4. Are you saying you never used GLX2 and you are still having the problem?? My problem was at times related to the fact that sometimes debug mode would turn itself off. Not sure if this was after a save (it seemed to be) or if the process of stepping into code somehow disabled it on the next execution. Still, there have been times I have checked and a breakpoint was ignored, but debugging was definitely on. 

Bob


On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> 
> I have been using version 4.0 for about 2 months and find one thing very annoying, that does not happen in version 3.5
> 
> When I set a breakpoint in the margin that appears as a red circle, then run the handler, the breakpoint works as expected.  If I make a change in the code on a different line, then run again, the breakpoint is ignored.
> 
> The circle is still red, and the breakpoint pane shows that it is active, but it is still ignored.
> 
> The only technique I found to work is to turn off the break, then turn it on again.  This is very cumbersome when there are a few breaks along a sizable handler, since that involves scrolling up and down to reset them.
> 
> Is there a preference to set?
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 17:10:30 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:10:30 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
Message-ID: <0BDC4FE6-1C2C-426C-BD69-5B2BFDF90073@yahoo.com>


On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Hey! I was having that exact problem with GLX2 (which I still use  
> and love btw). I thought it was an incompatibility with Rev 4. Are  
> you saying you never used GLX2 and you are still having the  
> problem?? My problem was at times related to the fact that sometimes  
> debug mode would turn itself off. Not sure if this was after a save  
> (it seemed to be) or if the process of stepping into code somehow  
> disabled it on the next execution. Still, there have been times I  
> have checked and a breakpoint was ignored, but debugging was  
> definitely on.

>
> Bob
>
Correct.  Execution does not stop once I have added a character to the  
code and compiled.  Saving does not seem to have any effect.
I have not installed GLX2 or any other code editor or debugger.


> On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been using version 4.0 for about 2 months and find one thing  
>> very annoying, that does not happen in version 3.5
>>
>> When I set a breakpoint in the margin that appears as a red circle,  
>> then run the handler, the breakpoint works as expected.  If I make  
>> a change in the code on a different line, then run again, the  
>> breakpoint is ignored.
>>
>> The circle is still red, and the breakpoint pane shows that it is  
>> active, but it is still ignored.
>>
>> The only technique I found to work is to turn off the break, then  
>> turn it on again.  This is very cumbersome when there are a few  
>> breaks along a sizable handler, since that involves scrolling up  
>> and down to reset them.
>>
>> Is there a preference to set?
>>

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep  8 17:14:59 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:14:59 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
Message-ID: <151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>

Bob, Jim, et al-

Breakpoints are stored by the engine as a line number offset into a
script. If you edit the script after setting a breakpoint, it's up to
the script editor to adjust the breakpoints to accomodate the lines
added or deleted. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. GLX2 has
two types of breakpoints, hard and soft. The soft breakpoints are
always adjusted correctly because they're under our control. The hard
breakpoints are under the control of the IDE. Using the IDE's script
editor you only get the hard breakpoints, and it's up to the script
editor to adjust them accordingly. Sometimes you'll find that
breakpoints are no longer where you think they should be.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep  8 17:37:24 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:37:24 -0700
Subject: Functionality AND good taste?
In-Reply-To: <0E4041D8-2DA7-416A-9DE9-44CF15FFBEB3@aol.com>
References: <20100907170018.EAE272882F7@mail.runrev.com>
	<6C21A57F-09EF-45B0-A403-1734724B2127@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<0E4041D8-2DA7-416A-9DE9-44CF15FFBEB3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimV6MmPuN_v-exMhVa17_MMOULeDV7V=h3hOxPU@mail.gmail.com>

And don't forget Scott Rossi !

On 8 September 2010 13:54, Paul Looney <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:

> David,
> You don't need to do it yourself.
> It continues to amaze me but... great design can be bought!
> I've hired Terza Snyder to improve some of my work and the changes are
> phenomenal. I could never in 20 years (or 100 design books) come up with the
> wonderful stuff she has. She knows what she is doing.
> Engineering/Programming and Design are different disciplines/talents, it is
> a very rare person who excels at each.
> Paul Looney
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:00 AM, David Glasgow wrote:
>
>  Hello folks,
>>
>> I am being encouraged by customers to update and improve a Rev built
>> product I produced many years ago.  I have a wish list for functionality
>> changes, but I am slightly depressed at how ugly and old the original looks.
>>  I have decided to start again from scratch, so there are no limitations on
>> what I can do, other than those imposed by Rev and my abilities (mostly the
>> latter).
>>
>> I have no background in design, but would like to make the product look
>> better and up to date.  I know I can pretty much change the appearance of
>> anything in Rev, but this is a serious product for technical use, so I am
>> not thinking oval windows and faux glass skins.   I also strongly subscribe
>> to the view that less is more, so I don't want reflections and things
>> swooshing about.  Are there any books or online resources on making software
>> look simple and good?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> David Glasgow
>> Carlton Glasgow Partnership
>>
>> i-psych.co.uk
>>
>>
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 18:00:12 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:00:12 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0 - solved
In-Reply-To: <151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <835884D3-B971-47A0-ADC9-3F7B0AF7DA35@yahoo.com>


On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Bob, Jim, et al-
>
> Breakpoints are stored by the engine as a line number offset into a
> script. If you edit the script after setting a breakpoint, it's up to
> the script editor to adjust the breakpoints to accomodate the lines
> added or deleted. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. GLX2 has
> two types of breakpoints, hard and soft. The soft breakpoints are
> always adjusted correctly because they're under our control. The hard
> breakpoints are under the control of the IDE. Using the IDE's script
> editor you only get the hard breakpoints, and it's up to the script
> editor to adjust them accordingly. Sometimes you'll find that
> breakpoints are no longer where you think they should be.
>
> -Mark Wieder

Understood.
-1-   If I hit the breakpoint, stop the script, and only add a comment  
to an existing line
   (eg     put "money" into pocket  --idea for future
then compile, none of the breakpoints in the script container work.


SOLUTION
-2-  After reading your post, I did a little more detective work

-a-> New Stack, works as expected

-b->    A stack that I began building and using 6 years ago with  
version 2.7.2
About 1000 lines of code, but very simple interface {one card, very  
little data in 16 fields, only 6 buttons}

-c->  copying in the stack script to a new stack works as normal.
Looks like a corrupted stack.
I have been working with the same stack on different servers, so all  
versions are derived from the same parent.

At least I now have a path to refurbishing old stacks to get back code  
editing ease, if they need it.
This is a task for this very evening.

This is good... another bit of knowledge about complex projects, and  
it has a good answer!



Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep  8 18:10:43 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:10:43 -0500
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <0BDC4FE6-1C2C-426C-BD69-5B2BFDF90073@yahoo.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<0BDC4FE6-1C2C-426C-BD69-5B2BFDF90073@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C8809E3.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/8/10 4:10 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Correct. Execution does not stop once I have added a character to the
> code and compiled. Saving does not seem to have any effect.
> I have not installed GLX2 or any other code editor or debugger.

My experience has been that editing anything under the breakpoint (lines 
with higher numbers) works okay. Adding or removing lines above the 
breakpoint (lower line numbers) causes problems. Changing something in a 
line that doesn't affect the compiler (like adding a comment) works okay.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep  8 18:12:25 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:12:25 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0 - solved
In-Reply-To: <835884D3-B971-47A0-ADC9-3F7B0AF7DA35@yahoo.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>
	<835884D3-B971-47A0-ADC9-3F7B0AF7DA35@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinK9_EU1J0pC-aNmfA656bdBAFBnTxN0fWN4wto@mail.gmail.com>

And thanks for sharing the results. We can all use this info.

On 8 September 2010 15:00, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> At least I now have a path to refurbishing old stacks to get back code
> editing ease, if they need it.
> This is a task for this very evening.
>
> This is good... another bit of knowledge about complex projects, and it has
> a good answer!
>
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep  8 18:20:37 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:20:37 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <0BDC4FE6-1C2C-426C-BD69-5B2BFDF90073@yahoo.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<0BDC4FE6-1C2C-426C-BD69-5B2BFDF90073@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20879FBC-D21B-4B9D-ADD8-70E74269E565@twft.com>

It sounds like the token used in the compiled code for debug is getting misplaced/ removed when an edit and recompile takes place. 

Bob


On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> 
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Hey! I was having that exact problem with GLX2 (which I still use and love btw). I thought it was an incompatibility with Rev 4. Are you saying you never used GLX2 and you are still having the problem?? My problem was at times related to the fact that sometimes debug mode would turn itself off. Not sure if this was after a save (it seemed to be) or if the process of stepping into code somehow disabled it on the next execution. Still, there have been times I have checked and a breakpoint was ignored, but debugging was definitely on.
> 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
> Correct.  Execution does not stop once I have added a character to the code and compiled.  Saving does not seem to have any effect.
> I have not installed GLX2 or any other code editor or debugger.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I have been using version 4.0 for about 2 months and find one thing very annoying, that does not happen in version 3.5
>>> 
>>> When I set a breakpoint in the margin that appears as a red circle, then run the handler, the breakpoint works as expected.  If I make a change in the code on a different line, then run again, the breakpoint is ignored.
>>> 
>>> The circle is still red, and the breakpoint pane shows that it is active, but it is still ignored.
>>> 
>>> The only technique I found to work is to turn off the break, then turn it on again.  This is very cumbersome when there are a few breaks along a sizable handler, since that involves scrolling up and down to reset them.
>>> 
>>> Is there a preference to set?
>>> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep  8 18:21:32 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:21:32 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <4C8809E3.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<0BDC4FE6-1C2C-426C-BD69-5B2BFDF90073@yahoo.com>
	<4C8809E3.6010402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <189168828437.20100908152132@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 3:10:43 PM, you wrote:

> My experience has been that editing anything under the breakpoint (lines
> with higher numbers) works okay. Adding or removing lines above the 
> breakpoint (lower line numbers) causes problems. Changing something in a
> line that doesn't affect the compiler (like adding a comment) works okay.

Yep - that would be my expectation as well. Short of stack corruption,
at least, as in Jim's case.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep  8 18:23:17 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:23:17 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5774AF07-3C2E-425B-AC43-057DE6B62D47@twft.com>

Fascinating. So how would I set a soft breakpoint as opposed to a hard one? I use the breakpoint command. Is that the hard one? Which then is the soft breakpoint used by GLX2?

Bob


On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Bob, Jim, et al-
> 
> Breakpoints are stored by the engine as a line number offset into a
> script. If you edit the script after setting a breakpoint, it's up to
> the script editor to adjust the breakpoints to accomodate the lines
> added or deleted. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. GLX2 has
> two types of breakpoints, hard and soft. The soft breakpoints are
> always adjusted correctly because they're under our control. The hard
> breakpoints are under the control of the IDE. Using the IDE's script
> editor you only get the hard breakpoints, and it's up to the script
> editor to adjust them accordingly. Sometimes you'll find that
> breakpoints are no longer where you think they should be.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep  8 18:30:39 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:30:39 +1000
Subject: InstallGadget 2.0 Public Testing
In-Reply-To: <19294906-429F-4A81-9BF6-338184A20CC0@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20100907105838.0674A2882E6@mail.runrev.com>
	<19294906-429F-4A81-9BF6-338184A20CC0@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6089F079-2172-45D3-B4C6-C9B716AA774C@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi David

> I have been using InstallGadget 1.0 for a long time and it has been astonishingly well behaved, despite the significant OS changes since it was developed.  
> 
> InstallGadget 2.0 looks interesting.  Being rather lazy, I quite like the idea of Windows installers on Mac, without the hassle of fiddling about with my Windows Machines - but I have no other reason to use Winebottler - which effectively would be a 55MB helper app!

Yes, InstallGadget relies on a Windows executable to compile the Windows installer. I know it's annoying and if I can find another way I will but it's so nice to have the standalone builder just carry on and make your dmg and installer that I doubt you will regret the download.
> 
> Took me just a few ticks to create a .DMG, which worked fine.  How do they do that thing with the big arrow pointing to an alias of the app folder?

You can do that with the plugin. To install the plugin click on the rev icon with the little puzzle piece on it. If you have a few versions of rev you use then open up the one you want to install into first. Unfortunately Apple changed the .DS_Store file format in Snow Leopard so unless you make these DMGs on Leopard they won't be backwards compatible.

> 
> I suppose I should have sent this off list, but I think that Installgadget deserves a bit of unsolicited praise.

Thanks

--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep  8 19:04:14 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:04:14 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
In-Reply-To: <5774AF07-3C2E-425B-AC43-057DE6B62D47@twft.com>
References: <20100908144539.25F70288344@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDF8DADD-6B57-4802-826B-3ADC7F2A4CC9@mollysrevenge.com>
	<7689A43E-BE6E-4809-A4DF-E99C2CC74A52@yahoo.com>
	<870C8198-A64C-4EDC-ADFE-FF08B02887DB@twft.com>
	<151164835546.20100908141459@ahsoftware.net>
	<5774AF07-3C2E-425B-AC43-057DE6B62D47@twft.com>
Message-ID: <105171391031.20100908160414@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 3:23:17 PM, you wrote:

> Fascinating. So how would I set a soft breakpoint as opposed to a
> hard one? I use the breakpoint command. Is that the hard one? Which
> then is the soft breakpoint used by GLX2?

Yes - the "breakpoint" command (or control-B )sets a "hard"
breakpoint. You set a soft breakpoint *while you're in the debugger*
by clicking to the left of a line of code - you'll see a red dot
appear there to indicate that there's an active breakpoint on that
line of code. Click it again to disable it. When you're using the
script editor you can't do that and you're at the mercy of the editor,
expecting it to keep track of when you're editing lines of code.
Neither glx2 nor the IDE's editor really do a great job of keeping
track of breakpoints while you're editing your code - it's a bit of a
tough nut to crack.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep  8 19:15:11 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:15:11 -0700
Subject: Valentina for iPhone
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6-pNpNMFq0yKb5Z6FAdR+z6EByUss=AtYvrSz@mail.gmail.com>

WOW

Wasn't somebody asking about this recently? And it's FREE?

http://www.valentina-db.com/en/products/ivalentina-for-iphone

-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From shari at gypsyware.com  Wed Sep  8 20:54:17 2010
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:54:17 -0400
Subject: Death of Versiontracker
In-Reply-To: <C8AD8886.13DE9%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8AD8886.13DE9%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a06240800c8addf37f633@[192.168.0.198]>

The final whack... after spending all that time on both 
Versiontracker and CNET just trying to figure out how to find my 
products, and then making two attempts to update a title 
unsuccessfully, I get the final whack.

They sent me an email confirmation that I can now start receiving 
their CNET newsletters at my email address, which has not changed in 
probably ten years.  I had to log in yet again to make sure I wasn't 
opted into receiving this junk mail.  It did not appear that I was 
which is good because I had this vision of attempting to opt out and 
getting a SORRY YOU CAN'T OPT OUT error page.

Very annoying!
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  9 01:29:15 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:29:15 +1000
Subject: crash on close socket (windows)
Message-ID: <C9C91DE6-8E6C-4AB7-8215-F1BA2E740D33@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi 

Anyone else experienced a crash on close socket? Only happens on windows. Thought it was closing a socket that was closed on the other end but checking if the socket identifier is among the lines of the openSockets before closing doesn't help. For now my workaround is to not close the sockets and expect the other end to close them.

PS sockets were opened with the accept command.

Cheers 
--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  9 02:38:13 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:38:13 +1000
Subject: [ANN] revObjective 1.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <5089545453.20100907172009@ahsoftware.net>
References: <09CC98C3-B13A-464D-B341-1ACFE018AC0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimDMcNGvb7OGioHt4=8DTWm8vL=BEoQs7UbFXBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsbU0jp-ZowjGypxGU0jrTnseTJWvVo5UksnGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimb14Mv-ot4esUimaMAT9aNbLZOg-i30=4=TcjN@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE97023-2B6E-4B4E-8A71-98C17EE91784@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4867757343.20100907111651@ahsoftware.net>
	<72A825E0-DD1D-45A4-BF5D-F3DC1601E35B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<5089545453.20100907172009@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AF0849CB-426F-4097-8493-9962F85412EC@sweattechnologies.com>


> 
> Yep - that's with version 1.1. Works a treat.

1.2 is up now at http://goulding.ws/consulting/blog/

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 03:27:47 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:27:47 +0100
Subject: [OT: Linux Market Share]
Message-ID: <201009090827.47559.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html

Saw this today.  Martin is an intelligent well informed writer.  Its 
admittedly OT but maybe worth posting in view of recent discussions about 
the potential for the Linux flavor of Rev.

Peter


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 05:10:13 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:10:13 +0100
Subject: [OT] Linux Mint rolling release
Message-ID: <201009091010.13358.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

This may also be of interest to some of you or your customers.  The problem 
with Ubuntu has always been that it is not a rolling release.  Mint is a 
well regarded flavor of Ubuntu.  Well now the Mint guys have now released a 
Debian based version of Mint, and it is a rolling release.

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/linux-mint-based-on-debian-released-and.html

May need a couple more point releases to get really smooth, but they will 
be there if they are not already in a couple of months.  Mint is a good 
team.

Peter


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep  9 07:53:41 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 04:53:41 -0700
Subject: [OT: Linux Market Share]
Message-ID: <4C88CAC5.6020100@fourthworld.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html
>
> Saw this today.  Martin is an intelligent well informed writer.  Its
> admittedly OT but maybe worth posting in view of recent discussions about
> the potential for the Linux flavor of Rev.

Nice to see that - thanks for posting it.

For many years Mac folks have become aware of how common metrics which 
attempt to measure "market share" are often distorted in favor of 
Windows, and there the author does a good job of explaining how that 
dynamic applies to Linux as well.

It seems Google is among those Linux users, running their search engine 
with Ubuntu:

    These clusters all run a Google-optimized version of Ubuntu Linux,
    according to Google's open source programs manager Chris DiBona in
    a 2010 presentation at OSCON, an open-source developer conference.

<http://content.dell.com/us/en/gen/d/large-business/google-data-center.aspx?dgc=SM&cid=57468&lid=1491495>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Sep  9 09:33:26 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:33:26 -0400
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
Message-ID: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html





From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Sep  9 09:48:39 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:48:39 +0100
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C8AEA447.13E61%kevin@runrev.com>

On 09/09/2010 14:33, "Colin Holgate" <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html

Consider my day made! Awesome.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep  9 09:49:13 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:49:13 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
Message-ID: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html

Nice.  I'll bet that made John Gruber choke on his breakfast. ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 10:11:26 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:11:26 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>

On 09/09/2010 04:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Colin Holgate wrote:
>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
>

Time to start saving up for RevMobile: I guess the faux leopard-skin posing
briefs will just have to wait!

I expect that after what has happened recently with Apple, RevMobile and 
so on, Kevin's face must be looking
a bit craggier, so he can do the

Clint Eastwood "Make my day!" quite effectively.

But, when all is said and done; looking at recent photos of Steve, Kevin 
looks one whole lot
healthier!

Here's to you, Kevin!

Love, Richmond.


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 10:15:42 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:15:42 +0100
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:

> Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Thu Sep  9 10:25:44 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:25:44 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>
References: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <85327697-9088-4CF6-8D3D-CB8ED64F5906@cruzio.com>

Fantastic news!

On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:33 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
> 
> 
> 
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Thu Sep  9 10:54:57 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <85327697-9088-4CF6-8D3D-CB8ED64F5906@cruzio.com>
References: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>
	<85327697-9088-4CF6-8D3D-CB8ED64F5906@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <1284044097510-2532996.post@n4.nabble.com>


Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
-- 
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Sep  9 11:10:15 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:10:15 +0200
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>
References: <EFE96098-5BDE-4DD3-A23F-60C960249F2F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <306376AA-3014-4BCC-BB1E-5FBE0763B2B9@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 9 sept. 2010 ? 15:33, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
> 
great!



From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Sep  9 11:18:28 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:18:28 +0100
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <1284044097510-2532996.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C8AEB954.13E81%kevin@runrev.com>

On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:

> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?

You bet!

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Sep  9 11:23:03 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:23:03 -0700
Subject: Valentina for iPhone
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=6-pNpNMFq0yKb5Z6FAdR+z6EByUss=AtYvrSz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=6-pNpNMFq0yKb5Z6FAdR+z6EByUss=AtYvrSz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6AAB680E1C740D2AADEF9D7EEF39B5F@GATEWAY>

Hi Stephen,

> Wasn't somebody asking about this recently? And it's FREE?
> 
> http://www.valentina-db.com/en/products/ivalentina-for-iphone

We haven't quite finished it yet, but its almost there. iValentina lets you
work with Valentina Server, performing many functions of the desktop
version, including server monitoring. Lots of screenshots and screen
explanations are up already in the documentation section.

This will work with both Valentina Office Server and also Valentina Embedded
Server. If you deploy embedded server to your customers, its particularly
nice because it lets you put server monitoring into your customer's hands at
no added cost.

This also shows the sort of things you can accomplish with the Valentina for
iPhone client library.

BTW, if you have an active Valentina Server and also an Apple iPhone
Developer account, and would like to test the beta, I can get that set up.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 11:23:50 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:23:50 -0500
Subject: [OT] Linux Mint rolling release
In-Reply-To: <201009091010.13358.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201009091010.13358.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFJtE+=CfxUcvXZe0T6XAWGxG0jvAyTMFdHPH9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Peter Alcibiades
<palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> This may also be of interest to some of you or your customers. ?The problem
> with Ubuntu has always been that it is not a rolling release. ?Mint is a
> well regarded flavor of Ubuntu. ?Well now the Mint guys have now released a
> Debian based version of Mint, and it is a rolling release.
>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/linux-mint-based-on-debian-released-and.html
>
> May need a couple more point releases to get really smooth, but they will
> be there if they are not already in a couple of months. ?Mint is a good
> team.
>
> Peter

Thanks for the heads up, Peter!
I knew they had this in the works, but hadn't checked the status
lately.... been using Mint for a little over two years and really
enjoy it.  I *really* like the idea of the rolling release idea!

I'll grab a copy here in the next day or two and put it on my
"non-production" laptop for a test spin.

Best regards,
David C.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep  9 11:31:59 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:31:59 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
Message-ID: <4C88FDEF.2010609@fourthworld.com>

Adobe shareholders say "Thank you!":


Adobe Surges As Apple Says It Will Drop App Store Restrictions

Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Adobe Systems Inc. rose the most in almost 18 
months after Apple Inc. said it would drop restrictions on the use of 
development tools, such as those offered by Adobe, for its App Store.

Adobe shares rose 8 percent to $31.64 at 10:07 a.m. New York time in 
Nasdaq Stock Market trading, after gaining as much as 10 percent.

<http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-09/adobe-surges-as-apple-says-it-will-drop-app-store-restrictions.html>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 11:57:30 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:57:30 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <C8AEB954.13E81%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8AEB954.13E81%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3B7505EB-69FC-4708-A09C-0F5BB815F968@earthlink.net>

Kevin

This is fantastic news!!  I only wish Apple had been more forthcoming earlier, so y'all wouldn't have had to waste all the time and money you did regrouping.  I can't wait to get my grubby little mitts on RevMobile!!

What is going to happen with the conference that was once scheduled? (At this point, I can't even remember if it was cancelled or merely postponed).

Marian



On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
> 
> You bet!
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep  9 12:00:05 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:00:05 -0700
Subject: Accessing Google Maps
In-Reply-To: <20100909115327.AD67A2880D1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100909115327.AD67A2880D1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CB8208B5-64E2-4604-BCB1-4E97930E84E6@sbcglobal.net>

> -------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:00:58 +0200
> From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Subject: Re: Accessing Google Maps
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <CF6B4C39-F13A-4B0C-B55F-ED8F1AF3FE2B at economy-x-talk.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Jim,
>
> put "http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616 
> " into myUrl
> launch url myUrl

Thanks Mark. That was indeed simple.

Do you have any suggestions on how I might make this cross platform?  
Works wonderfully well on the Mac, but I need the a new browser client  
for the PC, Internet Explorer?

What does this

  "http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q="

become on Windows?

Jim


>
> On older versions of RunRev, use revGoUrl instead of launch url.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce
> Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible  
> platform. No additional software needed.
>
> On 8 sep 2010, at 19:55, James Hurley wrote:
>
>> I assume this is simple. I want to select an address from a list,  
>> say 1210 Cheastnut Ln, Davis Ca, 95616 from which I would construct  
>> the address for a Google map:
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616
>>
>>
>> How do I then open this url in Safari?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim
>
>



From mike at cyber-ny.com  Thu Sep  9 12:00:21 2010
From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:00:21 -0400
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <3B7505EB-69FC-4708-A09C-0F5BB815F968@earthlink.net>
References: <C8AEB954.13E81%kevin@runrev.com>
	<3B7505EB-69FC-4708-A09C-0F5BB815F968@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BF9C0157-4313-495F-9378-64FF0D94A113@cyber-ny.com>

Very exciting!  Kudos to Kevin & the Rev team for keeping their calm during this uncertain period as well as keeping RevMobile's foot in the door for iOS development.


Mike Brown
Cyber-NY Interactive
212-475-2721 Ext. 306
www.cyber-ny.com
mike at cyber-ny.com

Follow Us On Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/cyberny



On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Kevin
> 
> This is fantastic news!!  I only wish Apple had been more forthcoming earlier, so y'all wouldn't have had to waste all the time and money you did regrouping.  I can't wait to get my grubby little mitts on RevMobile!!
> 
> What is going to happen with the conference that was once scheduled? (At this point, I can't even remember if it was cancelled or merely postponed).
> 
> Marian
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> 
>> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
>> 
>> You bet!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Sep  9 12:24:50 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:24:50 -0700
Subject: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0
Message-ID: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>

I have a variation on this behaviour I've noticed.

My main stack inserts some front scripts from another stack.  I  
recent;y needed to debug a problem in one of the front scripts that  
was called in the preOpenCard event of my main stack so set a  
breakpoint in the fornt script, quit Revolution and re-opened my main  
stack.  The breakpoint was ignored.  The only way I could get the  
breakpoint to trigger was to open the front script stack first, then  
open my applications main stack.

Pete Haworth










From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Sep  9 12:38:46 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:38:46 +0100
Subject: Rev iOS apps are legal again
In-Reply-To: <20100907013236.4BD0F288283@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEFFCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Specifically 3.3.1 has removed the app porting restictions.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-throws-developers-a-bone-relaxes-restric
tions-on-third-party-tools/38985?tag=nl.e539

Rev is back in the game.

Hugh
FLCo



From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Sep  9 13:03:26 2010
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:03:26 +0300
Subject: Valentina for iPhone
In-Reply-To: <B6AAB680E1C740D2AADEF9D7EEF39B5F@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <C8AEEE0E.DC6D9%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 9/9/10 6:23 PM, "Lynn Fredricks" <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> BTW, if you have an active Valentina Server and also an Apple iPhone
> Developer account, and would like to test the beta, I can get that set up.

Actually developer account is not required.
Only iphone ID.

We  want collect dozen vserver devs to give them beta.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu Sep  9 13:13:50 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:13:50 -0400
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <C8AEB954.13E81%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <OF16201EDC.4C7A95D2-ON85257799.005E5DBB-85257799.005EA698@sealedair.com>

On 09/09/2010 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:
>
>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
>
> You bet!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin

Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.

~Roger



From andreas at medone.ch  Thu Sep  9 13:22:05 2010
From: andreas at medone.ch (andreas at medone.ch)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:22:05 +0200
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <OF16201EDC.4C7A95D2-ON85257799.005E5DBB-85257799.005EA698@sealedair.com>
References: <OF16201EDC.4C7A95D2-ON85257799.005E5DBB-85257799.005EA698@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <B1B9CD42-02D4-4653-AF1D-7503D73B1009@medone.ch>

Great news! We will be back in business :-)

Thank you, Kevin!

Kind regards

Andreas



Am 09.09.2010 um 19:13 schrieb Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com:

> On 09/09/2010 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> 
>> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
>> 
>> You bet!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Kevin
> 
> Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
> I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  9 13:28:14 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:28:14 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/9/10 9:15 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,
>
> I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

ROTFL! I thought I was the only one who could make jokes about my last 
name. :)

It's a good day for humor, I'm ecstatic.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 13:48:16 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:48:16 -0500
Subject: Closing Substack With Mouse Click
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSK_dTvPoCf9T8g-V=uqJLL7caFUdZrf=gyB2c@mail.gmail.com>

What would be the best method to close a substack if I click a mouse button
anywhere outside of the substack card?

Warren


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Sep  9 13:54:04 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:54:04 +0200
Subject: Closing Substack With Mouse Click
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSK_dTvPoCf9T8g-V=uqJLL7caFUdZrf=gyB2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikSK_dTvPoCf9T8g-V=uqJLL7caFUdZrf=gyB2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <291ACB0D-15CF-4256-A506-E329BD642274@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Warren,

> What would be the best method to close a substack if I click a mouse button
> anywhere outside of the substack card?

put this into the stack script

on suspendstack
  close this stack
end suspendstack

Hm, on the second thought I would rather:

on suspendstack
 if the environment <> "development" then close this stack
end suspendstack

:-)

> Warren

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 14:02:41 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:02:41 -0500
Subject: Hilite Text
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0TNxDt-ouaOg7X2CuevG5sUmee_V1TNo6k99k@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anyway to hilite/dehilite (or reverse selection) multiple areas of
a text area?  I was hoping I could use textstyle, but this doesn't see like
an option.
*

set* the textstyle of selectedChunk() to ?????

Warren


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 14:04:58 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:04:58 -0500
Subject: Closing Substack With Mouse Click
In-Reply-To: <291ACB0D-15CF-4256-A506-E329BD642274@major.on-rev.com>
References: <AANLkTikSK_dTvPoCf9T8g-V=uqJLL7caFUdZrf=gyB2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<291ACB0D-15CF-4256-A506-E329BD642274@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPVAaZTyASduyNpgXuZG0SQ3qciu2aM6iKb7Wc@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

Perfect...this worked great.  Thanks for your help!

Warren

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>wrote:

> Hi Warren,
>
> > What would be the best method to close a substack if I click a mouse
> button
> > anywhere outside of the substack card?
>
> put this into the stack script
>
> on suspendstack
>  close this stack
> end suspendstack
>
> Hm, on the second thought I would rather:
>
> on suspendstack
>  if the environment <> "development" then close this stack
> end suspendstack
>
> :-)
>
> > Warren
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep  9 14:07:07 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:07:07 -0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <OF16201EDC.4C7A95D2-ON85257799.005E5DBB-85257799.005EA698@sealedair.com>
References: <C8AEB954.13E81%kevin@runrev.com>
	<OF16201EDC.4C7A95D2-ON85257799.005E5DBB-85257799.005EA698@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0WnBO_FL0+5U3AFe3owL3R-rOg3urXo2kkiSX@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,

RevMobile will be released for Android as well. This was always the plan but
the fact that now, it will be officially able to work with iOS is a boon to
many here.

Now we're only missing WebOS, Symbian, Meego, Maemo, Windows Mobile and will
have total mobile world dominance. rsrsrsrsrs

I would be fine with just iOS, Android and Maemo.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, <Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>
> > On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
> >
> > You bet!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
>
> Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
> I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.
>
> ~Roger
>
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 14:08:51 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:08:51 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>

Jackie
It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?????

So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the world.

Marian

On Sep 9, 2010, at 12:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/9/10 9:15 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>> 
>> On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,
>> 
>> I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
> 
> ROTFL! I thought I was the only one who could make jokes about my last name. :)
> 
> It's a good day for humor, I'm ecstatic.
> 
> -- 
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep  9 14:10:22 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:10:22 +0200
Subject: Hilite Text
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim0TNxDt-ouaOg7X2CuevG5sUmee_V1TNo6k99k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim0TNxDt-ouaOg7X2CuevG5sUmee_V1TNo6k99k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E148526-30C6-4ED6-9CAD-C5759DC14B7B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Warren,

You can't select mutiple areas in a text, unless the field is a list field. Surely, you can set the textStyle of the selectedChunk. For example something like

set the backgroundcolor of the selectedChunk to red

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 9 sep 2010, at 20:02, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> Is there anyway to hilite/dehilite (or reverse selection) multiple areas of
> a text area?  I was hoping I could use textstyle, but this doesn't see like
> an option.
> *
> 
> set* the textstyle of selectedChunk() to ?????
> 
> Warren




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 14:15:35 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:15:35 -0500
Subject: Hilite Text
In-Reply-To: <0E148526-30C6-4ED6-9CAD-C5759DC14B7B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTim0TNxDt-ouaOg7X2CuevG5sUmee_V1TNo6k99k@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E148526-30C6-4ED6-9CAD-C5759DC14B7B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GtY6C4fdVxqtgMfKMuxAuhVck-0Ys4Ffo17SF@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Thanks...that will work me me.  Apprecaite your help!

Warren

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Warren,
>
> You can't select mutiple areas in a text, unless the field is a list field.
> Surely, you can set the textStyle of the selectedChunk. For example
> something like
>
> set the backgroundcolor of the selectedChunk to red
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
> http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every*
> Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
>
> On 9 sep 2010, at 20:02, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to hilite/dehilite (or reverse selection) multiple areas
> of
> > a text area?  I was hoping I could use textstyle, but this doesn't see
> like
> > an option.
> > *
> >
> > set* the textstyle of selectedChunk() to ?????
> >
> > Warren
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  9 14:32:41 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:32:41 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4C892849.9070607@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/9/10 1:08 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
> Jackie It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article
> about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily
> throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay,
> Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say
> what?????

That happens to us all the time. My husband gets furious. He tries to 
order something online and the order form is rejected. Occasionally 
he'll use "Gray", but if payment is required that doesn't work because 
the order name doesn't match the name on his credit card.

I have been rejected from joining several online mailing lists and 
forums, and it is one of the main reasons I add my maiden name to my 
signature. Sometimes I concatenate the two names without a space, just 
to get access to various places.

I also receive an inordinate amount of spam about sexually-oriented 
groups and publications. But after 25 years of all this, it is better to 
retain a sense of humor and make jokes about it. One gets weary of 
fighting. I'm just thankful that caller ID has stopped all the 
nine-year-olds from making their anonymous phone calls to us at 3 AM.

And now back to our regularly scheduled celebrations.. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep  9 14:55:57 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:55:57 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
Message-ID: <4C892DBD.9060408@fourthworld.com>

Roger.E.Eller wrote:

> Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
> I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.

At this point RunRev has two three going for their Android version:

1. They've put way too much into it at this point to let it lie still.

2. Over the last 6 months Android's rate of growth has exploded by 886% 
while iOS's has dropped from a high of 34% down to 23%:
<http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/08/02/android-outsells-iphone-again-sales-up-886-globally/>

3. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to change the rules of the game 
at any time regardless of how widespread the subsequent destruction will 
be.

Sure, after having put so much into iOS already, RunRev will see it 
through.

But will they put all their eggs in Apple's basket?

"Burn me once, shame on you.  Burn me twice, shame on you."

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Sep  9 15:36:48 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:36:48 +0100
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C892DBD.9060408@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>

On 09/09/2010 19:55, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> At this point RunRev has two three going for their Android version:
> 
> 1. They've put way too much into it at this point to let it lie still.
> 
> 2. Over the last 6 months Android's rate of growth has exploded by 886%
> while iOS's has dropped from a high of 34% down to 23%:
> <http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/08/02/android-outsells-iphone-again-sales-
> up-886-globally/>
> 
> 3. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to change the rules of the game
> at any time regardless of how widespread the subsequent destruction will
> be.

All true.

Though I think that its going to be very hard for Apple to back out of this
one now. If the backlash before was bad enough to make them change their
minds think what it would be like if they did it again. I suspect they are
feeling the heat from competition in the Android space and have suddenly
decided that they need to keep developers on board.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  9 16:32:22 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:32:22 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C894456.70103@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/9/10 2:36 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Though I think that its going to be very hard for Apple to back out of this
> one now. If the backlash before was bad enough to make them change their
> minds think what it would be like if they did it again. I suspect they are
> feeling the heat from competition in the Android space and have suddenly
> decided that they need to keep developers on board.

When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told 
me he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the 
customers don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely 
do. He predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.

Apparently he was right, and I doubt very much that Apple can do another 
reversal on this decision.

<quote>
Gleacher & Co analyst Brian Marshall said Apple was feeling huge 
pressure from app developers.

"What spurred this on was the uproar from the growing iOS developer 
base," Marshall said.
<end quote>


<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDwQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2FidUSTRE68835V20100909&rct=j&q=apple%20backpedals&ei=2j-JTPTROc2pnQfLu-HIDA&usg=AFQjCNGxsQHGM1e8AikamEDHFC0EaSHwow&cad=rja>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Sep  9 16:50:23 2010
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:50:23 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <84AC610D-3FC5-4E57-8790-0D40725413F6@qldlearning.com>

FWIW, I still get emails from the beta program for Flash iPhone packager, and they are reporting that Flash apps have been getting approvals already today after many months stranded in the queue. I have a feeling Apple went back and "approved" a bunch in advance of this announcement.

> On 09/09/2010 19:55, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> At this point RunRev has two three going for their Android version:
>> 
>> 1. They've put way too much into it at this point to let it lie still.
>> 
>> 2. Over the last 6 months Android's rate of growth has exploded by 886%
>> while iOS's has dropped from a high of 34% down to 23%:
>> <http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/08/02/android-outsells-iphone-again-sales-
>> up-886-globally/>
>> 
>> 3. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to change the rules of the game
>> at any time regardless of how widespread the subsequent destruction will
>> be.
> 
> All true.
> 
> Though I think that its going to be very hard for Apple to back out of this
> one now. If the backlash before was bad enough to make them change their
> minds think what it would be like if they did it again. I suspect they are
> feeling the heat from competition in the Android space and have suddenly
> decided that they need to keep developers on board.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone


From davidocoker at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 17:00:50 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:00:50 -0500
Subject: [OT: Linux Market Share]
In-Reply-To: <201009090827.47559.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201009090827.47559.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikW52ATzqr8TB4CDjwQGZS4X4R-+LbVbs7c7BU=@mail.gmail.com>

Just ran across an article that surely won't hurt the Linux community

http://tiny.cc/62wki


Best regards,
David C.


From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep  9 17:36:07 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:36:07 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>

Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the article? I want to look into that. 

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Jackie
> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?????
> 
> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the world.
> 
> Marian



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 17:49:17 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:49:17 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
Message-ID: <14253294218.20100909144917@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 2:36:07 PM, you wrote:

> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link
> to the article? I want to look into that. 

Not that I necessarily believe everything I read on the web (even if
it's in color), but a simple Google search for "xbox ft gay" would
show you page after page of reports such as:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/205108/microsoft_suspends_xbox_gamer_for_living_in_fort_gay.html?tk=hp_new

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 17:55:54 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:55:54 -0500
Subject: OT:  Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>

Bob
I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll send it on to you.

M
On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the article? I want to look into that. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
> 
>> Jackie
>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?????
>> 
>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the world.
>> 
>> Marian
> 
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 17:58:41 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:58:41 -0500
Subject: OT:  Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>

Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly remembered.  Here's the link.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay


On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Bob
> I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll send it on to you.
> 
> M
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the article? I want to look into that. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>> 
>>> Jackie
>>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?????
>>> 
>>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the world.
>>> 
>>> Marian
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep  9 18:07:34 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:07:34 -0700
Subject: OT:  Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>

Yeah I finally found it myself. I figured it was a case of some software system throwing a flag combined with an outsource phone operator who only read from a script, but when I saw how far the guy had to go to resolve it, I was astounded! Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion, but that has nothing to do with any of this. To bounce the guy then stick to their guns even after they knew the truth of the situation speaks volumes about the largeness of Microsoft and their inflexibility when confronted with a situation that is out of the ordinary. 

BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly remembered.  Here's the link.
> 
> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep  9 18:08:47 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:08:47 -0700
Subject: OT:  Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5667580A-3E30-4653-904D-3E4B71E6FFF2@twft.com>

Oh heh heh this was sent directly to me. I thought I was responding to the list. DOH. LOL! ;-)

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly remembered.  Here's the link.
> 
> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
> 
>> Bob
>> I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll send it on to you.
>> 
>> M
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the article? I want to look into that. 
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jackie
>>>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?????
>>>> 
>>>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the world.
>>>> 
>>>> Marian
>>> 
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 18:17:31 2010
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:17:31 -0400
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>

Bob Sneider Said:

"Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
"BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"

Which would mean the people would be free to deride you. I think this is the
point where professionalism comes into play. You and I almost certainly have
hugely differing religious and social views, but I could still work with you
- just through simple professionalism. Surely this privately-run list serv,
with people from all walks of life, is run on the simple concept of
professionalism.

In my opinion, there is no need to start contentious religious and social
debates here.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Yeah I finally found it myself. I figured it was a case of some software
> system throwing a flag combined with an outsource phone operator who only
> read from a script, but when I saw how far the guy had to go to resolve it,
> I was astounded! Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion, but that
> has nothing to do with any of this. To bounce the guy then stick to their
> guns even after they knew the truth of the situation speaks volumes about
> the largeness of Microsoft and their inflexibility when confronted with a
> situation that is out of the ordinary.
>
> BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>
> > Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had
> incorrectly remembered.  Here's the link.
> >
> >
> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 18:30:06 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:30:06 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug
Message-ID: <172255743359.20100909153006@ahsoftware.net>

I've been holding off announcing this until the 4.5 launch, but I
think maybe I should go ahead and (pre)announce anyway. We've launched
PowerDebug for RunRev and MetaCard, an upgrade for the built-in
debugger/variable watcher/runtime error stacks. There's a trial
version on revOnline that is fully functional but will present
annoying nag screens (launching your browser) at random intervals to
encourage you to buy the unrestricted version (at a special launch
sale price). There's also a walkthrough of most of the features at

http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerDebug/PDDemo.html

Yes, it will allow you to debug preOpenCard and resize handlers that
are otherwise out of reach. More features than I would care to take up
bandwidth listing here, including a nifty ExplainError() function to
help demystify those cryptic error codes. Works with/without tRev, so
you can do both debugging and decoding. Just about everything you
could ask for in an xtalk debugger.

...and (more preannouncing) soon you'll be able to trigger a virtual
breakpoint from a specified message issued by any script: something
calling DisplayAboutBox but you don't know where? Just set a virtual
breakpoint for that message and you'll be placed in the debugger with
the context of the caller.

http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/BuyPowerDebug.irev

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 18:30:15 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:30:15 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 9:24:50 AM, you wrote:

> I have a variation on this behaviour I've noticed.

> My main stack inserts some front scripts from another stack.  I  
> recent;y needed to debug a problem in one of the front scripts that
> was called in the preOpenCard event of my main stack so set a  
> breakpoint in the fornt script, quit Revolution and re-opened my main
> stack.  The breakpoint was ignored.  The only way I could get the  
> breakpoint to trigger was to open the front script stack first, then
> open my applications main stack.

You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.
See my announcement of PowerDebug.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep  9 19:34:39 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:34:39 -0700
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8516C6CF-3E12-4D6E-89E7-34DDA6BB7890@twft.com>

Hmmm... wasn't that the whole point of the thread? That Microsoft was specifically targeting someone for the dumb reason that they lived in a town called Gay because that might offend someone? I suppose I could then make the argument that this is how crazy things end up when we try to avoid everything offensive. Which is really what the thread was all about anyway. The only reason I mentioned my point of view on the subject was to demonstrate that even someone who thinks the way I do can see how stupid a policy it is, not to spark a debate. And by the way, can the rest of the world have that word back again? I think that used to belong to us. ;-)

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> Bob Sneider Said:
> 
> "Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
> "BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"
> 
> Which would mean the people would be free to deride you. I think this is the
> point where professionalism comes into play. You and I almost certainly have
> hugely differing religious and social views, but I could still work with you
> - just through simple professionalism. Surely this privately-run list serv,
> with people from all walks of life, is run on the simple concept of
> professionalism.
> 
> In my opinion, there is no need to start contentious religious and social
> debates here.



From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 20:08:26 2010
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:08:26 -0400
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wdKEadvLPNTL3QYz+SaXnaTfucKnnfuM1b15n@mail.gmail.com>

I just call it from the message box. Its a bit manual but not oppressive.

Neal

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Thursday, September 9, 2010, 9:24:50 AM, you wrote:
>
> > I have a variation on this behaviour I've noticed.
>
> > My main stack inserts some front scripts from another stack.  I
> > recent;y needed to debug a problem in one of the front scripts that
> > was called in the preOpenCard event of my main stack so set a
> > breakpoint in the fornt script, quit Revolution and re-opened my main
> > stack.  The breakpoint was ignored.  The only way I could get the
> > breakpoint to trigger was to open the front script stack first, then
> > open my applications main stack.
>
> You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.
> See my announcement of PowerDebug.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 20:24:49 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:24:49 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=wdKEadvLPNTL3QYz+SaXnaTfucKnnfuM1b15n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=wdKEadvLPNTL3QYz+SaXnaTfucKnnfuM1b15n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <188262626328.20100909172449@ahsoftware.net>

Neal-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 5:08:26 PM, you wrote:

> I just call it from the message box. Its a bit manual but not oppressive.

Ah, yes. The message box has its own special environment, and it can
trigger preOpenCard things because it's not trying to debug itself
while it's trying to open itself.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  9 21:31:01 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:31:01 -0500
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <8516C6CF-3E12-4D6E-89E7-34DDA6BB7890@twft.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<8516C6CF-3E12-4D6E-89E7-34DDA6BB7890@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4C898A55.2000201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/9/10 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> And by the way, can the rest of the world have that word back
> again? I think that used to belong to us. ;-)

My husband keeps saying, "Our family had that name hundreds of years 
before they did."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep  9 21:35:09 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:35:09 -0500
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C898B4D.7060507@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/9/10 5:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.

I'm pretty sure I did, but with a printed "breakpoint" line instead of a 
red dot in the side gutter. It's been a while though, maybe I'm 
misremembering.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 21:46:02 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:46:02 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <4C898B4D.7060507@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C898B4D.7060507@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <14267499156.20100909184602@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 6:35:09 PM, you wrote:

> On 9/9/10 5:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.

> I'm pretty sure I did, but with a printed "breakpoint" line instead of a
> red dot in the side gutter. It's been a while though, maybe I'm 
> misremembering.

I thought I might have been misremembering as well, so I tried it
before posting. No break on the breakpoint line during a preOpenCard.
Just tried in now from the messagebox and it still doesn't work.

on preOpenCard
  local x

  breakpoint
  put 2 into x
  put x into field 1
end preOpenCard

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 21:49:45 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:49:45 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <14267499156.20100909184602@ahsoftware.net>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C898B4D.7060507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<14267499156.20100909184602@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <187267722031.20100909184945@ahsoftware.net>

Hah! Fooled myself. I had previously put in a trap not to open the
debugger for testing. That'll learn me. Never mind.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep  9 22:14:57 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:14:57 -0700
Subject: [OT] Today's Apple News
Message-ID: <C8AEE2B1.4C71B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
app guidelines:

"We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."

And a couple of days ago on YouTube:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ehLV945lY>

Genius.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  9 22:23:06 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:23:06 +1000
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <8BA66763-9731-4C44-84E6-77523B9857E8@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Mark

I can see a prefs xml file is created by PowerDebug. How do I get to the preference settings? It would be handy if I got to them via the Plugins menu but that's the execution error dialog and it hides itself immediately. Also is it possible to turn off the tools palette hiding. I have a 27 inch screen so I'd rather have things on screen.  

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep  9 22:31:42 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:31:42 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <8BA66763-9731-4C44-84E6-77523B9857E8@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
	<8BA66763-9731-4C44-84E6-77523B9857E8@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <161270239343.20100909193142@ahsoftware.net>

Monte-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:23:06 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Mark

> I can see a prefs xml file is created by PowerDebug. How do I get
> to the preference settings? It would be handy if I got to them via
> the Plugins menu but that's the execution error dialog and it hides
> itself immediately. Also is it possible to turn off the tools
> palette hiding. I have a 27 inch screen so I'd rather have things on
> screen.  

Tools palette hiding is configurable in the latest version. It's in
the "real" purchasable one and I'll have it on revOnline as soon as it
lets me log in again (grrr). For now, just move the tools palette more
than three pixels from the left edge of the screen and it'll stay put.

...and you can get to the preference settings once the debugger is on
the screen with the help icon (upper left hand corner). Yeah, I know.
Bringing it up from the plugins menu attempts to start the debugger
with no debug context, which just confuses everyone. You *can* bring
up the main page from the Application Browser and then click the help
icon from there, but that's kind of an ugly way to go about it as
well.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 22:46:19 2010
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:46:19 -0400
Subject: [OT] Today's Apple News
In-Reply-To: <C8AEE2B1.4C71B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8AEE2B1.4C71B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimvTuuoMJw_8xm1=fAy--L8f5NY9vFNSSX5wbu_@mail.gmail.com>

This is one of the best conclusions to a wonderful day.

Its just magic, magic farting.

Neal
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
> app guidelines:
>
> "We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
> apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
> lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."
>
> And a couple of days ago on YouTube:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ehLV945lY>
>
> Genius.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep  9 23:34:11 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:34:11 +1000
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <161270239343.20100909193142@ahsoftware.net>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
	<8BA66763-9731-4C44-84E6-77523B9857E8@sweattechnologies.com>
	<161270239343.20100909193142@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BD7F07F4-F5D0-41BA-9D76-5CEA94F482B7@sweattechnologies.com>

> Yeah, I know.
> Bringing it up from the plugins menu attempts to start the debugger
> with no debug context, which just confuses everyone. You *can* bring
> up the main page from the Application Browser and then click the help
> icon from there, but that's kind of an ugly way to go about it as
> well.

Did you know revTools comes back toplevel after it's hidden? I'm sure it's fixed in the newer version

Take a look at the way revObjective is separated into two plugins now. An invisible one not shown on the menu and a modeless one that is on the menu. Although your plugin is clearly much more complex maybe that's a good option for you? The visible one could be the help/prefs stack. We need heaps more plugin hooks.

One other thing is if the debug console is open and you try and quit rev then rev hangs.

Overall it looks like a great new addition to Rev.

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Sep 10 00:57:08 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:57:08 +1000
Subject: revObjective & settings palettes
Message-ID: <5F85B0CC-556C-47DC-802B-4621D201B38E@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Everyone

Now that revObjective is in the wild I'm realising that the more complex an object you make the more you want to give it it's own settings/inspector palette. What do people think of the following idea?

Each revObjective custom control is saved in it's own stack file so I was thinking of providing a substack to be a settings palette to edit the custom properties of the selectedobject related to the custom control. The substack would open along with the mainstack when you click "Edit" in revObjective. A new "Inspector" button to open the substack as a palette would be added to revObjective which would be enabled like the Add button whenever there is a selected object. Once open these substacks would switch/hide depending on if the selectedobject has a  revObjective based behavior and which object it is etc.

Does all that make sense? Maybe it's overkill when you can document and expect people to edit the custom properties but I can imagine a day when most of the objects I use are pulled out of revObjective and much of my maintenance work therefore is done once and propagated to all my apps just like I do with standard library stacks. With groups with backgroundBehavior set to true we can even have library like code libraries without adding complexity to the message path.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 01:06:53 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:06:53 +0300
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>

On 09/10/2010 01:17 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
> Bob Sneider Said:
>
> "Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
> "BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"
>
> Which would mean the people would be free to deride you. I think this is the
> point where professionalism comes into play. You and I almost certainly have
> hugely differing religious and social views, but I could still work with you
> - just through simple professionalism. Surely this privately-run list serv,
> with people from all walks of life, is run on the simple concept of
> professionalism.
>
> In my opinion, there is no need to start contentious religious and social
> debates here.
>
>    

Well said!

Mind you . . . I could write a few fairly contentious things about Steve 
Jobs . . .  :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 01:13:58 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:13:58 +0300
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C898A55.2000201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<8516C6CF-3E12-4D6E-89E7-34DDA6BB7890@twft.com>
	<4C898A55.2000201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C89BE96.4090902@gmail.com>

On 09/10/2010 04:31 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 9/9/10 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> And by the way, can the rest of the world have that word back
>> again? I think that used to belong to us. ;-)
>
> My husband keeps saying, "Our family had that name hundreds of years 
> before they did."
>

Yup, and what about 'Queen'? North of the border (err . . . sorry, I 
meant to write "North of THE border")
that word means a young lady in the first flush of womanhood; rather 
than "a c*ck in a frock on a rock" . . .

. . . now that's a wonderful film:  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109045/   The Adventures of Priscilla, 
Queen of the Desert,

even if it did, finally, fix the meaning of "Queen" forever . . .  :)

Oh Cripes, where did I put my leopardskin posing briefs?

I'm late for the Bulgarian RunRev user's support group (membership total 
= 1)!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 01:15:37 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:15:37 +0300
Subject: [OT] Today's Apple News
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimvTuuoMJw_8xm1=fAy--L8f5NY9vFNSSX5wbu_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8AEE2B1.4C71B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTimvTuuoMJw_8xm1=fAy--L8f5NY9vFNSSX5wbu_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C89BEF9.8050401@gmail.com>

On 09/10/2010 05:46 AM, Neal Campbell wrote:
> This is one of the best conclusions to a wonderful day.
>
> Its just magic, magic farting.
>
> Neal
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi<scott at tactilemedia.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
>> app guidelines:
>>
>> "We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
>> apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
>> lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."
>>
>>      

Perhaps I'd better not buy RevMobile after all; most of my work seems to 
fall into that category . . .  :)


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep 10 01:41:29 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:41:29 -0700
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>

The listmom has often stated the off-topic subjects are religion, politics,
and cheese. Surely sexual preference should also be on the list. This is not
a total free-speech zone.

On 9 September 2010 22:06, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09/10/2010 01:17 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>
>> Bob Sneider Said:
>>
>> "Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
>> "BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"
>>
>
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 10 02:32:10 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New Apple comunicate relax restrictions
Message-ID: <1284100330172-2533932.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Today I read this:

"We are continually trying to make the App Store even better. We have
listened to our developers and taken much of their feedback to heart. Based
on their input, today we are making some important changes to our iOS
Developer Program license in sections 3.3.1, 3.3.2 and 3.3.9 to relax some
restrictions we put in place earlier this year.

In particular, we are relaxing all restrictions on the development tools
used to create iOS apps, as long as the resulting apps do not download any
code. This should give developers the flexibility they want, while
preserving the security we need."

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html

This mean that RevMobile for iPhone/iPad is posible?


Salut,
Josep M
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Fri Sep 10 02:36:52 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <8516C6CF-3E12-4D6E-89E7-34DDA6BB7890@twft.com>
References: <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<8516C6CF-3E12-4D6E-89E7-34DDA6BB7890@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1284100612306-2533937.post@n4.nabble.com>


Meh. You take gay. We have been using queer for quite some time anyway. We
subversives care very little what your perverse opinions are, pervert. ;)
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep 10 02:52:52 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:52:52 -0700
Subject: New Apple comunicate relax restrictions
In-Reply-To: <1284100330172-2533932.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284100330172-2533932.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9s9-rxy52JYD1jpzBCmYyeQFftsgkQJhrRiki@mail.gmail.com>

yep

On 9 September 2010 23:32, JosepM <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Today I read this:
>
> "We are continually trying to make the App Store even better. We have
> listened to our developers and taken much of their feedback to heart. Based
> on their input, today we are making some important changes to our iOS
> Developer Program license in sections 3.3.1, 3.3.2 and 3.3.9 to relax some
> restrictions we put in place earlier this year.
>
> In particular, we are relaxing all restrictions on the development tools
> used to create iOS apps, as long as the resulting apps do not download any
> code. This should give developers the flexibility they want, while
> preserving the security we need."
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
>
> This mean that RevMobile for iPhone/iPad is posible?
>
>
> Salut,
> Josep M
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Apple-comunicate-relax-restrictions-tp2533932p2533932.html
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 10 04:27:36 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:27:36 -0700
Subject: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)
In-Reply-To: <BD7F07F4-F5D0-41BA-9D76-5CEA94F482B7@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <B229A538-3E6C-4507-8371-1CB4C214E5B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<116255752375.20100909153015@ahsoftware.net>
	<8BA66763-9731-4C44-84E6-77523B9857E8@sweattechnologies.com>
	<161270239343.20100909193142@ahsoftware.net>
	<BD7F07F4-F5D0-41BA-9D76-5CEA94F482B7@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <189291592640.20100910012736@ahsoftware.net>

Monte-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 8:34:11 PM, you wrote:

> Did you know revTools comes back toplevel after it's hidden? I'm
> sure it's fixed in the newer version

OK - that's a new one. I've never seen that, and none of the beta
testers have ever reported seeing it. Maybe there's some interaction
with other plugins in your system?

> Take a look at the way revObjective is separated into two plugins
> now. An invisible one not shown on the menu and a modeless one that
> is on the menu. Although your plugin is clearly much more complex
> maybe that's a good option for you? The visible one could be the
> help/prefs stack. We need heaps more plugin hooks.

More plugin hooks would be great. Until then, here's what I've done
with the latest build: on preOpenStack I check to see if the string
"revmenubar.rev" & ",menuPick" is in the executionContexts. If so then
it was instantiated from the plugins menu and I bring up the
preferences menu, otherwise the debugger was launched from a
breakpoint or error condition, and stack opening proceeds normally.

> One other thing is if the debug console is open and you try and quit rev then rev hangs.

Another one I've never seen. It works OK here, although I don't
usually try to quit while I've got a debug session open. I just
downloaded the version from revOnline to check these things out and I
don't see either of the effects you're describing. I'm mystified.

> Overall it looks like a great new addition to Rev.

Thanks. I am, by the way, quite envious of your 27-inch screen.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From heather at runrev.com  Fri Sep 10 05:31:58 2010
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:31:58 +0100
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>

Right, that has just got added to the list.

No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.

We're all friends and professionals here, working on using a fine  
product to the best of our joint abilities.

Cheers,

Heather
Customer Services Manager and Listmom.


On 10 Sep 2010, at 06:41, stephen barncard wrote:

> The listmom has often stated the off-topic subjects are religion,  
> politics,
> and cheese. Surely sexual preference should also be on the list.  
> This is not
> a total free-speech zone.

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone
follow me on twitter
http://www.twitter.com/lainopik



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Sep 10 05:38:53 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:38:53 +0200
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F9580B9E-9249-4250-A650-19202C4037EB@numericable.com>

Comment voulez-vous gouverner un pays o? il existe plus de 300 sortes de fromage ?
How can you govern a country where there are over 300 kinds of cheese?
Charles de Gaulle
;-)


Le 10 sept. 2010 ? 11:31, Heather Nagey a ?crit :

> Right, that has just got added to the list.
> 
> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.
> 
> We're all friends and professionals here, working on using a fine product to the best of our joint abilities.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Heather
> Customer Services Manager and Listmom.
> 
> 
> On 10 Sep 2010, at 06:41, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
>> The listmom has often stated the off-topic subjects are religion, politics,
>> and cheese. Surely sexual preference should also be on the list. This is not
>> a total free-speech zone.
> 
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> follow me on twitter
> http://www.twitter.com/lainopik
> 
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 05:47:06 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Linux Mint rolling release
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimFJtE+=CfxUcvXZe0T6XAWGxG0jvAyTMFdHPH9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201009091010.13358.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<AANLkTimFJtE+=CfxUcvXZe0T6XAWGxG0jvAyTMFdHPH9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1284112026585-2534152.post@n4.nabble.com>


http://jimlynch.com/index.php/2010/09/09/linux-mints-debian-delight/

Another review, more of an explanation for why.  In lots of ways, Mint is
Debian for the rest of us.  Or as Lynch puts it, Debian on steroids.  I like
Debian straight up, but can see the attractions of grafting on the Ubuntu
userland, or bits of it, onto it, for less minimalist tastes.  This version
sounds like the best of all worlds.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 10 08:31:14 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:31:14 -0700
Subject: [OT] Today's Apple News
Message-ID: <4C8A2512.4040705@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

> Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
> app guidelines:
>
> "We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
> apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
> lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."

Irony:

Apple director Shoemaker developed 'fart,' 'wiz' apps for iPhone
<http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/08/18/apple_director_shoemaker_developed_fart_wiz_apps_for_iphone.html>


Message:

"We don't want tasteless apps."


Meta-message:

"We don't want any competition in an app category we obviously feel is 
critical to the success of the platform."

;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From heather at runrev.com  Fri Sep 10 11:32:10 2010
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:32:10 +0100
Subject: Need case studies - personal use and hobbyist
Message-ID: <C0DDB061-3394-4293-8EE0-EA056AC4802F@runrev.com>

Dear list folks,

We're creating a number of new case studies for our website, and we  
are still missing a really good "hobbyist or personal use" example. If  
you use Rev for your own pleasure mostly, do not sell commercially,  
and would like to share with us your thoughts and experiences of using  
it, please get in touch off list - heather at runrev.com. Note, we're not  
looking for educational use in this instance, more if you use it at  
home, for your own devices, organising personal paperwork, fun desktop  
games, little web utilities, whatever it is that you good folks are  
doing with it (anyone automated their house with it yet?)

Cheers
Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone
follow me on twitter
http://www.twitter.com/lainopik



From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Sep 10 11:53:27 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Optimizing print code
Message-ID: <1284134007776-2534663.post@n4.nabble.com>


I have developed the following print card code for both the Mac and Windows.
When I tested it the Print Dialog seems to take longer to show up despite
improvements I made to both print scripts. 
I would certainly appreciate any suggestions on how to speed up the print
dialog appearing!

Here is my code:

on mouseUp
   if the platform is "macos"
   then
      select empty
      
      open printing with dialog as sheet
      if the result = "cancel" then exit to top
      
      set the printPaperOrientation to "portrait"
      set the printmargins to 36,108,36,72
      set the printScale to .8738
      
      set the mark of card "referral" to false
      set the mark of card "letter" to false
      set the mark of card "help" to false
      
      lock screen
      set the hiliteColor of this stack to 255,255,255
      set the backgroundColor of this stack to 255,255,255
      hideStuff
      
      go to first marked card
      select empty
      
      repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards ---> Page numbering of
marked cards
         put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x
      end repeat
      
      select empty
      click at "0,0"
      print marked cards
      
      close printing ---> Printing is done!
      
      set the mark of card "referral" to true
      set the mark of card "letter" to true
      set the mark of card "help" to true
      
      set the hiliteColor of this stack to 126,188,237
      set the backgroundcolor of this stack to 237,239,217
   
      showStuff
      unlock screen
      go to card "communications"
   end if
   
   if the platform is "win32" 
   then 
      answer printer
      set the printPaperOrientation to "portrait"
      set the printmargins to 36,108,36,72
      set the printScale to .8738
      
      open printing 
      if the result = "cancel" then exit to top
      
      set the mark of card "referral" to false
      set the mark of card "letter" to false
      set the mark of card "help" to false
      
      set the formatforprinting of this stack to true
      select empty
      
      lock screen
      hide stuff
      go to first marked card
      
      repeat with x=1 to the number of marked cards ---> Page numbering of
marked cards
         put "Page" && x into field "PageNumber" of marked card x
      end repeat
      
      select empty
      print marked cards
      close printing ----> Printing completed --->Added 9-7-10
   end if
   
   set the mark of card "referral" to true
   set the mark of card "letter" to true
   set the mark of card "help" to true
   
   set the backgroundcolor of this stack to 237,239,217
   set the formatforprinting of this stack to false
   showStuff
   go to card "communications"
   unlock screen
end mouseUp

on hideStuff
   hide group "menubar 1" of card "eligibility"
   hide button "print Elig" of card "eligibility"
   hide button "continue" of card "eligibility"
   hide button "eligmenu" of card "eligibility"
   hide group "main" of card "eligibility"
   --   hide button "Omenu1" of card "eligibility"
   hide button "print" of card "communications"
   hide group "nav" of card "communications"
   hide button "list" of card "communications"
   hide group "main" of card "communications"
   
   hide button "print" of card "help" ---> New 9-7-10
   hide button "save" of card "help"
   hide button "eligibility page" of card "help"
   hide button "clear" of card "help"
end hideStuff

on showStuff
   show group "menubar 1" of card "eligibility"
   show button "print Elig" of card "eligibility"
   show button "continue" of card "eligibility"
   show button "eligmenu" of card "eligibility"
   show group "main" of card "eligibility"
   show button "print" of card "communications"
   show group "nav" of card "communications"
   show button "list" of card "communications"
   show group "main" of card "communications"
   
   show button "print" of card "help" ---> New 9-7-10
   show button "save" of card "help"
   show button "eligibility page" of card "help"
   show button "clear" of card "help"
end showStuff

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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 12:09:05 2010
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:09:05 -0400
Subject: Need case studies - personal use and hobbyist
In-Reply-To: <C0DDB061-3394-4293-8EE0-EA056AC4802F@runrev.com>
References: <C0DDB061-3394-4293-8EE0-EA056AC4802F@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLO_u+qncEvNKHF9y6Nju92Ydjg=BiCEkXB1sv@mail.gmail.com>

I created a really cool to-do list program with Rev - for which I am the
only user.

I use it to keep myself organized at work, so it is not really home use, but
it is still a personal thing. Basically, I am have a horrible proactive
memory, and I use this application to compensate for my neurological
shortcomings. Would that count?

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Heather Nagey <heather at runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list folks,
>
> We're creating a number of new case studies for our website, and we are
> still missing a really good "hobbyist or personal use" example. If you use
> Rev for your own pleasure mostly, do not sell commercially, and would like
> to share with us your thoughts and experiences of using it, please get in
> touch off list - heather at runrev.com. Note, we're not looking for
> educational use in this instance, more if you use it at home, for your own
> devices, organising personal paperwork, fun desktop games, little web
> utilities, whatever it is that you good folks are doing with it (anyone
> automated their house with it yet?)
>
> Cheers
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> follow me on twitter
> http://www.twitter.com/lainopik
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 10 13:14:58 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:14:58 -0500
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C8A6792.5000102@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/10/10 4:31 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:
> Right, that has just got added to the list.
>
> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.

My sexual preference is "yes". Oops. Now you have to moderate me. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 10 13:23:57 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:23:57 -0300
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C8A6792.5000102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<4C8A6792.5000102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xjyuqOVMFWPzQDaOg9j8Kk1hueyPf3UnO3xW6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 9/10/10 4:31 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:
>
>> Right, that has just got added to the list.
>>
>> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.
>>
>
> My sexual preference is "yes". Oops. Now you have to moderate me. :)


oh hi fellow yesling!

:)




>
>
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 10 13:32:08 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:32:08 -0700
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>

Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:31:58 AM, Heather wrote:

> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.

...actually, I read that as (cheese and sexual) preferences and then
my brain got a bit bogged down trying to deal with it...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 10 13:55:00 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:55:00 -0500
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/10/10 12:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:31:58 AM, Heather wrote:
>
>> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.
>
> ...actually, I read that as (cheese and sexual) preferences and then
> my brain got a bit bogged down trying to deal with it...
>

Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least, 
keep it to yourself.

Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From heather at runrev.com  Fri Sep 10 14:21:05 2010
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:21:05 +0100
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F1FA4801-AA70-4044-BF92-AFF722C68AB3@runrev.com>

You are Baaaad people. Tapping desk. Shaking stern finger. Tutting.

lol

What am I to do with you all? Its lucky I'm in an exceptionally good  
mood since yesterday afternoon!

Heather

On 10 Sep 2010, at 18:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/10/10 12:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:31:58 AM, Heather wrote:
>>
>>> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.
>>
>> ...actually, I read that as (cheese and sexual) preferences and then
>> my brain got a bit bogged down trying to deal with it...
>>
>
> Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least,  
> keep it to yourself.
>
> Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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RunRev - Software construction for everyone
follow me on twitter
http://www.twitter.com/lainopik



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 10 14:23:10 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:23:10 -0700
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Friday, September 10, 2010, 10:55:00 AM, you wrote:

> Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least,
> keep it to yourself.

> Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...

Right - so no discussion of same-cheese or opposite-cheese issues
here. And we probably shouldn't even think of mentioning the Defense
Of Mozzarella Act.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 10 14:27:19 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:27:19 -0300
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
	<151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=L3sduRPsurqRVnKtvBhdrV1cONmhJrkAEWd5A@mail.gmail.com>

if we can't have sex with cheese how will those swiss cheese full of holes
ever get made?

(ducks and run)

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Jacque-
>
> Friday, September 10, 2010, 10:55:00 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least,
> > keep it to yourself.
>
> > Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...
>
> Right - so no discussion of same-cheese or opposite-cheese issues
> here. And we probably shouldn't even think of mentioning the Defense
> Of Mozzarella Act.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Sep 10 14:30:25 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:30:25 -0600
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <F1FA4801-AA70-4044-BF92-AFF722C68AB3@runrev.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F1FA4801-AA70-4044-BF92-AFF722C68AB3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>

Hey, it's my democratic right to worship cheeses! It makes me feel gay, in the traditional meaning of the term!

(Did I fit in all of the forbidden themes?)

Happy Friday! Except for those of you who are already at Saturday.

Devin

On Sep 10, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> You are Baaaad people. Tapping desk. Shaking stern finger. Tutting.
> 
> lol
> 
> What am I to do with you all? Its lucky I'm in an exceptionally good  
> mood since yesterday afternoon!
> 
> Heather
> 
> On 10 Sep 2010, at 18:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 9/10/10 12:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:31:58 AM, Heather wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.
>>> 
>>> ...actually, I read that as (cheese and sexual) preferences and then
>>> my brain got a bit bogged down trying to deal with it...
>>> 
>> 
>> Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least,  
>> keep it to yourself.
>> 
>> Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> follow me on twitter
> http://www.twitter.com/lainopik
> 
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Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Sep 10 14:39:21 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:21 -0700
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F1FA4801-AA70-4044-BF92-AFF722C68AB3@runrev.com>
	<2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <254FC744-7E20-423E-A6CB-6E2F95EC0F4B@twft.com>

That's beautiful man! <snif>

Bob


On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Hey, it's my democratic right to worship cheeses! It makes me feel gay, in the traditional meaning of the term!
> 
> (Did I fit in all of the forbidden themes?)
> 
> Happy Friday! Except for those of you who are already at Saturday.
> 
> Devin



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 10 14:40:50 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:40:50 -0300
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F1FA4801-AA70-4044-BF92-AFF722C68AB3@runrev.com>
	<2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrj-5_BS37gtWj2mbpffVxN=Vk_ks=JqhpVxjt@mail.gmail.com>

Devin,

You just received the award! Next conference I'll buy a cheese!

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Hey, it's my democratic right to worship cheeses! It makes me feel gay, in
> the traditional meaning of the term!
>
> (Did I fit in all of the forbidden themes?)
>
> Happy Friday! Except for those of you who are already at Saturday.
>
> Devin
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Heather Nagey wrote:
>
> > You are Baaaad people. Tapping desk. Shaking stern finger. Tutting.
> >
> > lol
> >
> > What am I to do with you all? Its lucky I'm in an exceptionally good
> > mood since yesterday afternoon!
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On 10 Sep 2010, at 18:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/10/10 12:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> >>> Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:31:58 AM, Heather wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> No religion, politics, cheese and sexual preferences.
> >>>
> >>> ...actually, I read that as (cheese and sexual) preferences and then
> >>> my brain got a bit bogged down trying to deal with it...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least,
> >> keep it to yourself.
> >>
> >> Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> > Heather Nagey
> > Customer Services Manager
> > http://www.runrev.com/
> > RunRev - Software construction for everyone
> > follow me on twitter
> > http://www.twitter.com/lainopik
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 10 15:11:53 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:11:53 -0700
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com> <4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>
	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>
	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>
	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>
	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>
	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>
	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F1FA4801-AA70-4044-BF92-AFF722C68AB3@runrev.com>
	<2324F2A5-1168-4AAB-A519-C485E598D9D3@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <58330249812.20100910121153@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Friday, September 10, 2010, 11:30:25 AM, you wrote:

> Hey, it's my democratic right to worship cheeses! It makes me
> feel gay, in the traditional meaning of the term!

> (Did I fit in all of the forbidden themes?)

...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... we have a winner...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 10 16:21:00 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:21:00 -0500
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>
	<151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C8A932C.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/10/10 1:23 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
>
> Friday, September 10, 2010, 10:55:00 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Seems pretty straightforward to me. No sex with cheese. Or at least,
>> keep it to yourself.
>
>> Heather is going to have a lot of moderating to do after this...
>
> Right - so no discussion of same-cheese or opposite-cheese issues
> here. And we probably shouldn't even think of mentioning the Defense
> Of Mozzarella Act.
>

You just caused my husband to break into hysterical laughter. I need to 
stop reading the list to him, it might give him ideas.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 17:20:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:20:34 +0300
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C8A932C.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>	<151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C8A932C.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C8AA122.5030600@gmail.com>

And, presumably, I am no longer allowed to write
about how cheesed-off I am about anything?

What about curd?


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Sep 10 17:56:03 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:56:03 -0400
Subject: Syntax for Include Statements on On-Rev
Message-ID: <58217D37-9F01-479B-823C-A63F7316C4E5@videotron.ca>

Hi everyone,

Had this working before but now it blanks out most of the page that is loaded.  I have a script in a file called myScript.irev.  I tested it and know that it works. I am trying to run it by imbedding an HTML markup item in a text object in a web page containing the following:

<?rev
include "http://mySite.on-rev.com/myScript.irev"
?>

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.  Any advice would be most appreciated.

Regards,

Gregory

P.S. And the web page itself is being served from On-Rev.




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 18:10:49 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:10:49 +0100
Subject: OT: Ft Gay, GA
In-Reply-To: <4C8AA122.5030600@gmail.com>
References: <4C88E5D9.7060002@fourthworld.com>	<4C88EB0E.1010302@gmail.com>	<4775FB98-5BCF-40F5-BEFB-60D987E64B5C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4C89192E.9070509@hyperactivesw.com>	<3ACA8D52-0B47-400F-8C0D-8EF333BF78A2@earthlink.net>	<72A78F56-0F98-410A-94DB-D8FBD31DD649@twft.com>	<C61465A2-F5E5-4AF0-B24B-C0AE083A89EF@earthlink.net>	<01F60141-531A-494F-9664-ADC9C5C73C35@earthlink.net>	<421454C8-9DEA-474B-8F8C-E5CAC8A8041D@twft.com>	<AANLkTik09hvnZUeHT60PLovGaykhMVB5SLxJHC7SRh+E@mail.gmail.com>	<4C89BCED.7070705@gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=c3T8LR-F=05QegoegCCx-w-V_1kBDrSOMouDd@mail.gmail.com>	<F034C6A9-D59C-4447-B243-3D2E2C741AB7@runrev.com>	<157324264843.20100910103208@ahsoftware.net>	<4C8A70F4.9040808@hyperactivesw.com>	<151327327218.20100910112310@ahsoftware.net>	<4C8A932C.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8AA122.5030600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C8AACE9.1030804@anachreon.co.uk>

Now _that's_ perverse...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 10/09/10 22:20, Richmond wrote:
> And, presumably, I am no longer allowed to write
> about how cheesed-off I am about anything?
>
> What about curd?
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 10 18:13:43 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:13:43 -0300
Subject: Syntax for Include Statements on On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <58217D37-9F01-479B-823C-A63F7316C4E5@videotron.ca>
References: <58217D37-9F01-479B-823C-A63F7316C4E5@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinPcb+ezZm2PJWU4VGmXshjwcujW+Tt7ixo0Du2@mail.gmail.com>

Gregory,

the include command needs a file path not a URL.

it is something like:

include "/path/to/myScript.irev"

be aware of the case sensitiveness of unix file systems.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Gregory Lypny
<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Had this working before but now it blanks out most of the page that is
> loaded.  I have a script in a file called myScript.irev.  I tested it and
> know that it works. I am trying to run it by imbedding an HTML markup item
> in a text object in a web page containing the following:
>
> <?rev
> include "http://mySite.on-rev.com/myScript.irev"
> ?>
>
> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.  Any advice would be most appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gregory
>
> P.S. And the web page itself is being served from On-Rev.
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Fri Sep 10 20:03:18 2010
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:03:18 -0500
Subject: Find or Search Function
In-Reply-To: <1281563394457-2321929.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTinhq+zKbpqOnMz3bnE8bsKeYy67SrdUH8yvV_3Q@mail.gmail.com><c
	cafe.2b497065.39945b2c@aol.com><2C0A3E79-FF49-49A2-8229-5743EFDD4C7B@verizo
	n.net>,<1281563394457-2321929.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FED8@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>

Hi Ted, just wondering if you were able to get something useful running and what approach you took. Thanks

-- Mark
________________________________________
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ted Mills [tm1274 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:49 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Find or Search Function

Thanks for the response's. I will give it a shot and see what happens.
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Sep 10 20:11:41 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:11:41 +1000
Subject: fitting a cubic polynomial to x,y data
Message-ID: <6B65E13F-28B4-4386-B811-44BD01068710@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi 

Wondering if anyone has done any curve fitting before.

Cheers

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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 20:53:37 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: fitting a cubic polynomial to x,y data
In-Reply-To: <6B65E13F-28B4-4386-B811-44BD01068710@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <6B65E13F-28B4-4386-B811-44BD01068710@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <1284166417318-2535272.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Monte,

This stack is not about cubic polynomial fitting,
but could provide some ideas:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks//Two_smooth_polygon_algorithm.zip

http://capellan2000.000space.com/Two_smooth_polygon_algorithm.zip


Have a nice weekend!

Alejandro
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 21:11:22 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:11:22 -0500
Subject: lineoffset Command
Message-ID: <AANLkTimw94FPU0KsuQgiO_wE5LySKxkNEWGutSfi0FWY@mail.gmail.com>

I am using the lineoffset to search through a large number of lines (approx
40,000).  My problem is I want to do a search where I return the line # if
the string is the whole line and not just a subset.  Can this be done with
the lineoffset?  If not, what would be my best option for efficiency?

Thanks,
Warren


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Sep 10 23:31:43 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:31:43 -0700
Subject: Any more issues with Norton Anti-virus?
Message-ID: <1B407FEA-DA51-4DB0-BC66-7C939D40A950@mac.com>

I had one user report it was a problem a few weeks ago but I haven't  
seen much reporting of this lately. Are Rev based apps still getting  
flagged by Norton or did Norton get its act together?

I registered the problem with Norton but never got any response from  
them.

Bill Vlahos


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 10 23:38:23 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:38:23 -0700
Subject: lineoffset Command
Message-ID: <4C8AF9AF.9050105@fourthworld.com>

Warren Kuhl wrote:

> I am using the lineoffset to search through a large number of lines (approx
> 40,000).  My problem is I want to do a search where I return the line # if
> the string is the whole line and not just a subset.  Can this be done with
> the lineoffset?  If not, what would be my best option for efficiency?
>

Add this before your call to lineOffset:

   set the wholeMatches to true


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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Sep 10 23:54:12 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:54:12 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C894456.70103@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
	<4C894456.70103@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=R5WSWDh5Nh5GUvv1xnrOEoxr=1Rn2Cg531OWs@mail.gmail.com>

Jacque,

It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?)
both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the
'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing wink
and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's
integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc..
They were on Apple's side fanning away.

Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know
as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
fickleness cost me business.

But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
again.

I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at
all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me
> he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
> don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
> predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
>
>


From steve at theworcestersource.com  Sat Sep 11 06:40:50 2010
From: steve at theworcestersource.com (theworcestersource.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OS X Textured Button custom control
In-Reply-To: <F1A921FB-0713-4041-AA69-227D470F0669@twft.com>
References: <1283706206943-2527471.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<F1A921FB-0713-4041-AA69-227D470F0669@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1284201650208-2535562.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Bob,

I've had a little look into this and something rather odd seems to be
happening.

What I've noticed is that on my MacBook, if I press the trackpad button
down, the button gets a mouseUp message. If I just tap it lightly, the
message isn't sent. This is probably linked to the problem that you have.

Does anybody know of any issues with mouseUp. I vaguely remember some
comments on mouseUp not being fired in earlier versions of Rev.

I could always rework the code to do everything on mouseDown but again, am
aware that doing it this way isn't supposed to be the best approach to take.

Thanks,


Steve
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Sep 11 12:32:23 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 09:32:23 -0700
Subject: Need case studies - personal use and hobbyist
In-Reply-To: <C0DDB061-3394-4293-8EE0-EA056AC4802F@runrev.com>
References: <C0DDB061-3394-4293-8EE0-EA056AC4802F@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <43AB8810-6112-437B-A60A-D0BCCAB9BFB3@pacifier.com>

I was working on a serial communication stack that would allow you to do
various things and one of them was going to allow you to automate your
home but when I would transfer files etc. after so much text was transferred
it would stop.  So I never even worked on automating a home but it looks
like it can be done with the right driver for the serial port to access a USB
X10 or similar USB device.

It seems to me Rev is using a buffer that fills up and then needs to be emptied
before you can transfer more text because when you close the port you have
the same amount of text you can transfer again then it stops again.

Does anyone know how to manage the memory when using the serial port?
If you cannot manage the memory a person would still be able to automate
their home but after you used it transferring the amount of text it takes to fill
up the Rev memory buffer that the serial port is using you would need to
close the port and reopen it again which is not professional and can be a
hassel too.

If nobody knows the answer is this the type of thing a person would use one
of the free support enterprise users are given?

-=>JB<=-



On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> Dear list folks,
> 
> We're creating a number of new case studies for our website, and we are still missing a really good "hobbyist or personal use" example. If you use Rev for your own pleasure mostly, do not sell commercially, and would like to share with us your thoughts and experiences of using it, please get in touch off list - heather at runrev.com. Note, we're not looking for educational use in this instance, more if you use it at home, for your own devices, organising personal paperwork, fun desktop games, little web utilities, whatever it is that you good folks are doing with it (anyone automated their house with it yet?)
> 
> Cheers
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Sat Sep 11 14:30:29 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:30:29 +0100
Subject: lineoffset Command
In-Reply-To: <20100911170005.7B2F828810A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONOEFMCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Warren Kuhl wrote:

> I am using the lineoffset to search through a large number of lines
(approx
> 40,000).  My problem is I want to do a search where I return the line # if
> the string is the whole line and not just a subset.  Can this be done with
> the lineoffset?  If not, what would be my best option for efficiency?
>

Richard supplied:
> Add this before your call to lineOffset:
>
>   set the wholeMatches to true

Alternative:
   get lineOffset(CR&tString&CR,CR&tList&CR)

Can be useful as it explicitly specifies the match typing within the syntax.

Hugh
FLCo



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sat Sep 11 17:29:22 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:29:22 -0400
Subject: Syntax for Include Statements on On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <20100911170005.58DDB28805F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100911170005.58DDB28805F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0BFBC2A5-77ED-4139-BCBA-92079AD57399@videotron.ca>

Thanks yet again, Andre.  Excellent!  Despite all of my (little) learning setbacks, using Rev for web site beats the heck out of Filemaker.

Regards,

Gregory


On Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:13:43 -0300
> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> Subject: Re: Syntax for Include Statements on On-Rev
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTinPcb+ezZm2PJWU4VGmXshjwcujW+Tt7ixo0Du2 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Gregory,
> 
> the include command needs a file path not a URL.
> 
> it is something like:
> 
> include "/path/to/myScript.irev"
> 
> be aware of the case sensitiveness of unix file systems.



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Sep 11 19:55:29 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:55:29 -0500
Subject: lineoffset Command
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONOEFMCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <20100911170005.7B2F828810A@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONOEFMCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim==Fk8p-t-OXZSdsuw-6j5sih76ihj=L6tdmD8@mail.gmail.com>

Richard/Hugh,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I will give it a try!

Warren

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM, FlexibleLearning <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
> > I am using the lineoffset to search through a large number of lines
> (approx
> > 40,000).  My problem is I want to do a search where I return the line #
> if
> > the string is the whole line and not just a subset.  Can this be done
> with
> > the lineoffset?  If not, what would be my best option for efficiency?
> >
>
> Richard supplied:
> > Add this before your call to lineOffset:
> >
> >   set the wholeMatches to true
>
> Alternative:
>   get lineOffset(CR&tString&CR,CR&tList&CR)
>
> Can be useful as it explicitly specifies the match typing within the
> syntax.
>
> Hugh
> FLCo
>
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From etcawley at fastmail.fm  Sat Sep 11 21:22:17 2010
From: etcawley at fastmail.fm (edward cawley)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:22:17 -0500
Subject: Animated GIF
Message-ID: <F65C8F78-2008-4770-BC92-EFFBF04CA03B@fastmail.fm>

II have an application which uses several animated Gif's that was  
running with no problems. I had a button which went to a test card. I  
modified the stack to drop the test button. The gif on that card had  
an icon for the button. I used pixen to erase the icon image from Gif.  
The edited Animated Gif run fine in Quicktime as does the original  
Animated Gif. If I replace the original gif with the edited gif, using  
the same file name the Gif image shows up but does not animate. If I  
replace it with the original one it works fine. Any ideas whats wrong?


From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Sep 12 06:19:16 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:19:16 +0200
Subject: RevWeb?
Message-ID: <20100912101916.155276410@mail.rombauts.be>

Hello there...

It seems that http://revweb.runrev.com is generating a 404 error.
Another site to get the plugin?

-- 

Andr? Rombauts,

Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-2 Build 1010 on
MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
Mac OS X 10.6.2 (10C540)




From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 12 09:06:23 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:06:23 -0300
Subject: RevWeb?
In-Reply-To: <20100912101916.155276410@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100912101916.155276410@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=m2rdsFy+-tRvTHM14xudh8sqqRPNaFAGFDJPR@mail.gmail.com>

works fine fromhere

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:

> Hello there...
>
> It seems that http://revweb.runrev.com is generating a 404 error.
> Another site to get the plugin?
>
> --
>
> Andr? Rombauts,
>
> Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-2 Build 1010 on
> MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
> Mac OS X 10.6.2 (10C540)
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 12 09:19:36 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:19:36 +0200
Subject: RevWeb?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=m2rdsFy+-tRvTHM14xudh8sqqRPNaFAGFDJPR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100912101916.155276410@mail.rombauts.be>
	<AANLkTi=m2rdsFy+-tRvTHM14xudh8sqqRPNaFAGFDJPR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06EC83C4-2469-4A62-9732-459BFC7A8310@economy-x-talk.com>

Andres,

It seems to have been a temporary problem. I was unable to reach the site this morning but it works fine now.

--
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On 12 sep 2010, at 15:06, Andre Garzia wrote:

> works fine fromhere
> 
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Andre Rombauts <andre at rombauts.be> wrote:
> 
>> Hello there...
>> 
>> It seems that http://revweb.runrev.com is generating a 404 error.
>> Another site to get the plugin?



From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Sep 12 10:09:27 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:09:27 +0200
Subject: RevWeb?
In-Reply-To: <06EC83C4-2469-4A62-9732-459BFC7A8310@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <20100912101916.155276410@mail.rombauts.be>
	<AANLkTi=m2rdsFy+-tRvTHM14xudh8sqqRPNaFAGFDJPR@mail.gmail.com>
	<06EC83C4-2469-4A62-9732-459BFC7A8310@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <20100912140927.2079633579@mail.rombauts.be>

>Andres,
>
>It seems to have been a temporary problem. I was unable to reach the
>site this morning but it works fine now.
Right. Noticed the same.

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MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
Mac OS X 10.6.2 (10C540)



From rman at free.fr  Sun Sep 12 10:54:27 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Find or Search Function
In-Reply-To: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FED8@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
References: <AANLkTinhq+zKbpqOnMz3bnE8bsKeYy67SrdUH8yvV_3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccafe.2b497065.39945b2c@aol.com>
	<2C0A3E79-FF49-49A2-8229-5743EFDD4C7B@verizon.net>
	<1281563394457-2321929.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FED8@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
Message-ID: <1284303267138-2536390.post@n4.nabble.com>


HI I recently posted to revOnline a little utility stack related to find, so
far I can remember I did implement the function that find the next
occurrence, until none left and then lopp back up to the first occurrences,
and works with datagrids too.

look for
"Enabling FIND in datagrids"

Any improvement will be welcomed !

Robert
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From rman at free.fr  Sun Sep 12 10:54:27 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Find or Search Function
In-Reply-To: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FED8@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
References: <AANLkTinhq+zKbpqOnMz3bnE8bsKeYy67SrdUH8yvV_3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccafe.2b497065.39945b2c@aol.com>
	<2C0A3E79-FF49-49A2-8229-5743EFDD4C7B@verizon.net>
	<1281563394457-2321929.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FED8@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
Message-ID: <1284303267852-2536391.post@n4.nabble.com>


HI I recently posted to revOnline a little utility stack related to find, so
far I can remember I did implement the function that find the next
occurrence, until none left and then lopp back up to the first occurrences,
and works with datagrids too.

look for
"Enabling FIND in datagrids"

Any improvement will be welcomed !

Robert
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From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Sep 12 11:23:48 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:23:48 +0200
Subject: RevWeb environment: foreign languages support
Message-ID: <20100912152348.135441732@mail.rombauts.be>

Hello there,

I already posted months ago a message about a language support for the
revweb plugin. I still don't see any effort in this way. :-(
I cannot develop revlets for applications in my language (French) if
users have to face messages in English (for installing revweb plugin or
giving access to the computer).

It shouldn't be so difficult to release, Runrev guys... :-)

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MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569)

Fl?ron, Li?ge (BE)



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sun Sep 12 11:39:38 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:39:38 +0200
Subject: RevWeb environment: foreign languages support
In-Reply-To: <20100912152348.135441732@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100912152348.135441732@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <7D22E882-62EF-4AFC-87AA-9225DB23C2E6@numericable.com>

I have download ans install RevWeb... and after...
Nothing happen !
What really is RevWeb ?

Le 12 sept. 2010 ? 17:23, Andre Rombauts a ?crit :

> Hello there,
> 
> I already posted months ago a message about a language support for the
> revweb plugin. I still don't see any effort in this way. :-(
> I cannot develop revlets for applications in my language (French) if
> users have to face messages in English (for installing revweb plugin or
> giving access to the computer).
> 
> It shouldn't be so difficult to release, Runrev guys... :-)
> 
> --
> 
> Andr? Rombauts,
> 
> Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-3 Build 1020 on
> MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
> Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569)
> 
> Fl?ron, Li?ge (BE)
> 
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From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Sep 12 11:43:35 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:43:35 +0200
Subject: RevWeb environment: displaying images
Message-ID: <20100912154335.1332789219@mail.rombauts.be>

Hello there...

Still investigating with revlets... Sorry if my question is too simple:
I'm not a professionnal programmer... :-(

I created a revlet and uploaded it to: http://rombauts.be/revweb/tests/
one/test.html.

The revlet runs correctly but images are displayed.

The script cannot be simpler. Each button contains the line to load an
image from a sub-dir of the server:

set the filename of image im1 to "http://rombauts.be/revweb/tests/one/
images/im1.jpg"

The script works in development mode.

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance

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MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569)

Fl?ron, Li?ge (BE)



From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Sep 12 11:49:47 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:49:47 +0200
Subject: RevWeb environment: foreign languages support
In-Reply-To: <7D22E882-62EF-4AFC-87AA-9225DB23C2E6@numericable.com>
References: <20100912152348.135441732@mail.rombauts.be>
	<7D22E882-62EF-4AFC-87AA-9225DB23C2E6@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <20100912154947.1707904652@mail.rombauts.be>

>I have download ans install RevWeb... and after...
>Nothing happen !
>What really is RevWeb ?
Normal: RevWeb is a plugin to display revlets, RunRev applications made
to be run from a html page.
There are fine samples on the site. This one, for instance: http://
revmedia.runrev.com/revWeb-samples/sketch

-- 

Andr? Rombauts,

Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-3 Build 1020 on
MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569)

Fl?ron, Li?ge (BE)



From andre at rombauts.be  Sun Sep 12 12:22:57 2010
From: andre at rombauts.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:22:57 +0200
Subject: RevWeb environment: displaying images
In-Reply-To: <20100912154335.1332789219@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100912154335.1332789219@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <20100912162257.1567126384@mail.rombauts.be>

>The revlet runs correctly but images are displayed.

I forgot to say that if an image is added with File > Import as control
> Image file, the image is displayed correctly (but added to the revlet
file...).

-- 

Andr? Rombauts,

Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-3 Build 1020 on
MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569)

Fl?ron, Li?ge (BE)



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 12:39:41 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:39:41 -0500
Subject: Card Question
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAsgGSaygKKC+Ej8kJZqN2b38Nyo4F-d_qa_0S@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to open a stack without the title bar?  Basically the card
should be a square box.  Currently the stack is opened as modeless.

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 12 12:42:25 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:42:25 +0200
Subject: Card Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAsgGSaygKKC+Ej8kJZqN2b38Nyo4F-d_qa_0S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimAsgGSaygKKC+Ej8kJZqN2b38Nyo4F-d_qa_0S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009E4E8A-8C37-499B-886B-3ACE7FAC3114@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Warren,

> Is there a way to open a stack without the title bar?  Basically the card
> should be a square box.  Currently the stack is opened as modeless.

Stack script (or script of card 1):
on preopenstack
  set the decorations of this stack to empty
end preopenstack

You can also set this in the inspector for the stack!
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep 12 12:45:10 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:45:10 -0700
Subject: Card Question
Message-ID: <4C8D0396.9000902@fourthworld.com>

Warren Kuhl wrote:
> Is there a way to open a stack without the title bar?  Basically the card
> should be a square box.  Currently the stack is opened as modeless.

set the decorations of stack "StackName" to none

See the Dictionary entry for the decorations stack property for details.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 12:55:23 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:55:23 -0500
Subject: Card Question
In-Reply-To: <4C8D0396.9000902@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C8D0396.9000902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimG-oXepUT8m-m=vXeErT1fhffavb6uejjNqgkF@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus/Richard,

Thanks for your help.  This worked exactly as I was hoping.

Warren

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to open a stack without the title bar?  Basically the card
>> should be a square box.  Currently the stack is opened as modeless.
>>
>
> set the decorations of stack "StackName" to none
>
> See the Dictionary entry for the decorations stack property for details.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 14:58:27 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:58:27 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper is on the road for open beta test
Message-ID: <AANLkTikuKyFJrViGtNTTyz8Qou5o6PgDwmSN8Ch7kaSs@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of an open beta
version of the Data Grid Helper plugin.

The Data Grid Helper is a plugin dedicated to the datagrid object. It helps:
- managing datagrid properties
- creating templates for columns and forms
- creating code for columns and forms behavior
- installing ready to use code

A quick start guide is available in the same download section than the tool.

The plugin is free to use during 20 days. You can report bugs off-list
or in the forum dedicated to the DGH plugin.

To download the open beta version and take part to the forum, you have
to create an account in the Slug's website.
The stuff is located in the Download section.


I would like to thank all the closed beta testers for their tests,
bugs report and support.

Thanks also to Trevor DeVore for all his lessons concerning the
datagrid object and to have shared the code of the library with us.
And thanks to the members of the list. I'm learning a lot by reading
all the posts. A special thanks to Richard Gaskin for his post, months
ago, about behaviors and Scott Rossi who gives me interface
inspiration by sharing his work.



Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 12 19:06:44 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:06:44 -0300
Subject: Card Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimG-oXepUT8m-m=vXeErT1fhffavb6uejjNqgkF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C8D0396.9000902@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTimG-oXepUT8m-m=vXeErT1fhffavb6uejjNqgkF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKOSxBSLrSHj-jQwf3zHm8m_N1BOa_ii3bD6jr@mail.gmail.com>

just give your stack some code to be moved and closed.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Klaus/Richard,
>
> Thanks for your help.  This worked exactly as I was hoping.
>
> Warren
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Richard Gaskin <
> ambassador at fourthworld.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Warren Kuhl wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a way to open a stack without the title bar?  Basically the
> card
> >> should be a square box.  Currently the stack is opened as modeless.
> >>
> >
> > set the decorations of stack "StackName" to none
> >
> > See the Dictionary entry for the decorations stack property for details.
> >
> > --
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Fourth World
> >  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> >  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> >  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Sun Sep 12 20:39:09 2010
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:39:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Doesn't work: set the top of img "MyImage" of stack pStackName to 0
Message-ID: <1284338349604-2536789.post@n4.nabble.com>


Why doesn't the following scripts work?

stack 1 (Name: Test)
on mouseUp
   start using stack "MyLib"
   CreateImage "Test","MyImage"
end mouseUp

stack 2 (Name: MyLib)
command CreateImage pStackName,pName

   --// the image "ImageLib" already exists on the "MyLib" stack.
   --// its properties: Name=ImageLib, Width=150, Height=24, lockLoc=true.
   copy img "ImageLib" of stack "MyLib" to stack pStackName
   set the name of img "ImageLib" of stack pStackName to pName
   
   --// prepare the image to be unlocked before setting the position on
stack 1.
   set the lockLoc of img pName of stack pStackName to false
   
   --// one way to set the position of the image. But this doesn't place it
in the desired position.
   set the rect of img pName of stack pStackName to 0,0,the width of stack
pStackName,24
   
   --// this is another way I tried, but it doesn't work either.
   --set the width of img pName of stack pStackName to the width of stack
pStackName
   --set the left of img pName of stack pStackName to 0
   --set the top of img pName of stack pStackName to 0
      
   set the lockLoc of img pName of stack pStackName to true
end CreateImage

I also used each script in the MessageBox. But that didn't do anything to
the image on stack 1 after running the script.

What am I doing wrong?

Regards,
Mark Stuart
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 12 23:45:38 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:45:38 -0500
Subject: Animated GIF
In-Reply-To: <F65C8F78-2008-4770-BC92-EFFBF04CA03B@fastmail.fm>
References: <F65C8F78-2008-4770-BC92-EFFBF04CA03B@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <4C8D9E62.9040006@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/11/10 8:22 PM, edward cawley wrote:
> II have an application which uses several animated Gif's that was
> running with no problems. I had a button which went to a test card. I
> modified the stack to drop the test button. The gif on that card had an
> icon for the button. I used pixen to erase the icon image from Gif. The
> edited Animated Gif run fine in Quicktime as does the original Animated
> Gif. If I replace the original gif with the edited gif, using the same
> file name the Gif image shows up but does not animate. If I replace it
> with the original one it works fine. Any ideas whats wrong?

I've forgotten what they call the technique, but some gif editors only 
change the parts of each frame that are different from surrounding 
frames. Rev can't show those. Each frame has to be a complete image. If 
the editor you used saved the gif as partial images, then it won't work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 01:59:41 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:59:41 +0300
Subject: [OT] Screenshot tool
Message-ID: <4C8DBDCD.40008@gmail.com>

For those of you who are fortunate enough to use Linux

( and /entre nous/, using RunRev on Linux is about to get a whole lot 
"sexier")

this is worth a look:

http://shutter-project.org/

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Sep 13 02:57:14 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:57:14 +0200
Subject: RevWeb environment: foreign languages support
In-Reply-To: <20100912154947.1707904652@mail.rombauts.be>
References: <20100912152348.135441732@mail.rombauts.be>
	<7D22E882-62EF-4AFC-87AA-9225DB23C2E6@numericable.com>
	<20100912154947.1707904652@mail.rombauts.be>
Message-ID: <439947D8-09CF-427C-9953-2A3798EA1FD7@numericable.com>

Merci Andr? !

Le 12 sept. 2010 ? 17:49, Andre Rombauts a ?crit :

>> I have download ans install RevWeb... and after...
>> Nothing happen !
>> What really is RevWeb ?
> Normal: RevWeb is a plugin to display revlets, RunRev applications made
> to be run from a html page.
> There are fine samples on the site. This one, for instance: http://
> revmedia.runrev.com/revWeb-samples/sketch
> 
> --
> 
> Andr? Rombauts,
> 
> Using RunRev 4.5.0-dp-3 Build 1020 on
> MacBook Pro 3,1 2,4 GHz - 4 Go running
> Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569)
> 
> Fl?ron, Li?ge (BE)
> 
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 03:18:49 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:18:49 +0300
Subject: ReactOS and RunRev ?
Message-ID: <4C8DD059.6060801@gmail.com>

Has anybody tried running a Windows version of RunRev on ReactOS?

http://www.reactos.org/en/about.html




From bsummerton at virginbroadband.com.au  Mon Sep 13 04:03:51 2010
From: bsummerton at virginbroadband.com.au (Brent Summerton)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:33:51 +0930
Subject: Print Field error in Standalone
Message-ID: <9A58A003-B46D-461F-92A9-743AC1F1C493@virginbroadband.com.au>


To date I have been unable to print a field named "Results"

I am using Enterprise 4.5.0 on a Mac 10.6.4 to produce a Standalone for Windows PC.

on Mouseup
 revPrintField the name of field "Results"
end Mouseup

Works in Mac Standalone, not Windows.  I have problem solved EVERYTHING!

I had checked Fonts were Windows appropriate, Size and Color.  Color has been set to Web Safe "000000" Black.  In the standalone the text shows as black and prints as black on my Mac.

In Windows...   NOTHING WORKS - Prints BLANK pages !!

I tried a little test. I told the print button to put the field contents into a field on a New Stack then print.

on Mouseup
 Put field "Results" into A
 Open stack "Printing"
 Put A into field "Results"
 revPrintField the name of field "Results"
end Mouseup

I have found that the text when inputed into the new field on the new stack is invisible (white) until highlighted!!!!  Somewhere between "getting" the field "Results" data which is set to "Web Safe 000000 Black" the data is being changed to white?

What can I do to the following script to tell Windows that what I am printing is to be BLACK!!

on Mouseup
 revPrintField the name of field "Results"
end Mouseup

Going insane....    Thank you.

From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Sep 13 07:32:04 2010
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:32:04 +0100
Subject: Reducing flash with revVideoGrabber - any suggestions?
Message-ID: <4C8E0BB4.5090008@cogapp.com>

I'm working on a kiosk which will regularly record short clips of video.  At a 
certain point in the sequence I open the video grabber and start previewing 
the video; subsequently I start recording, then switch back to preview, then 
close the VG altogether.  Rinse, repeat.

Each time the VG is initialised, the VG rectangle goes white for approximately 
three quarters of a second.  Unfortunately in our design the screen is mostly 
very dark, so the white shows up really strongly.

I've tried various things to reduce this - eg tying the video grabber to a 
featureless borderless sub-stack the size of the video rectangle, and hiding 
it, putting it offscreen, or putting it behind the mainstack while it 
initialises.  Most of these fail altogether.

The best I've managed to do is with the substack hidden; initialise the VG, 
start previewing, and give it a full second before showing the substack (I've 
noticed when the video actually starts, it also sometimes (?) appears dark, 
and takes a few frames to come to a balance - presumably this is down to the 
camera). Doing it this way I still get a white flash, but it's extremely short.

Although the substack is hidden, the flash appears where the substack is.  So 
I can manipulate the position of the flash, by moving the hidden substack 
before I initialise the VG, and then moving the substack into the correct 
position immediately before making it visible, after the VG has had its second 
to 'warm up'.  If the hidden substack is moved entirely offscreen, then the 
whole thing fails; there's no flash, but when the substack is moved back into 
position and shown, there's no video either, just a white rectangle.  However, 
if the hidden substack is partially onscreen, partially off, then the white 
flash is limited to the 
area-that-would-be-visible-if-the-substack-wasn't-hidden, and when the 
substack moved to the correct position and shown, it all works correctly.

Hence the best I've managed to do is move the the substack so far off the 
bottom right of the screen that there's just one pixel it of it onscreen; the 
white flash is then reduced to a single pixel.  Unfortunately because the 
overall design of the kiosk is very dark, this is still visible - but a lot 
less intrusive than what we started with.  Although having to warm up the VG a 
second before I want to use it is a bore I can easily fairly easily accomodate 
this within the control flow.

So I do now have a reasonable workaround (confession: I hadn't got this far 
when I started writing this email).  But is this the best one can do?  Is 
there a better approach altogether that I've missed?

(The obviously completely different approach is to initialise the VG once when 
the kiosk launches, and leave it running all day, hiding and showing the 
preview/record stack as necessary.  However this is going to be in a 
high-traffic and high-profile location, from launch, and there's not long 
before launch; so I'm nervous about doing this without more time for soak 
testing, given various anecdotes I've heard about drifting sync etc.  But if 
there's contrary experience that this can work reliably, I'd be interested to 
hear about that also.)

Many thanks,

Ben





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Sep 13 08:08:32 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:08:32 +0100
Subject: Reducing flash with revVideoGrabber - any suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <4C8E0BB4.5090008@cogapp.com>
References: <4C8E0BB4.5090008@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWTJGc8R61OTeZP8g+2WdCnCK=2n3zrf+Zbdcm@mail.gmail.com>

AFAIK - you've done the best that you can do with rev based hacks.

Maybe you could contact Kevin and ask for the source code? I think there are
a few other people that would really like this external improved and it
would make a great open source project - especially if you could put a small
ransom on it?

On 13 September 2010 12:32, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

> I'm working on a kiosk which will regularly record short clips of video.
>  At a certain point in the sequence I open the video grabber and start
> previewing the video; subsequently I start recording, then switch back to
> preview, then close the VG altogether.  Rinse, repeat.
>
> Each time the VG is initialised, the VG rectangle goes white for
> approximately three quarters of a second.  Unfortunately in our design the
> screen is mostly very dark, so the white shows up really strongly.
>
> I've tried various things to reduce this - eg tying the video grabber to a
> featureless borderless sub-stack the size of the video rectangle, and hiding
> it, putting it offscreen, or putting it behind the mainstack while it
> initialises.  Most of these fail altogether.
>
> The best I've managed to do is with the substack hidden; initialise the VG,
> start previewing, and give it a full second before showing the substack
> (I've noticed when the video actually starts, it also sometimes (?) appears
> dark, and takes a few frames to come to a balance - presumably this is down
> to the camera). Doing it this way I still get a white flash, but it's
> extremely short.
>
> Although the substack is hidden, the flash appears where the substack is.
>  So I can manipulate the position of the flash, by moving the hidden
> substack before I initialise the VG, and then moving the substack into the
> correct position immediately before making it visible, after the VG has had
> its second to 'warm up'.  If the hidden substack is moved entirely
> offscreen, then the whole thing fails; there's no flash, but when the
> substack is moved back into position and shown, there's no video either,
> just a white rectangle.  However, if the hidden substack is partially
> onscreen, partially off, then the white flash is limited to the
> area-that-would-be-visible-if-the-substack-wasn't-hidden, and when the
> substack moved to the correct position and shown, it all works correctly.
>
> Hence the best I've managed to do is move the the substack so far off the
> bottom right of the screen that there's just one pixel it of it onscreen;
> the white flash is then reduced to a single pixel.  Unfortunately because
> the overall design of the kiosk is very dark, this is still visible - but a
> lot less intrusive than what we started with.  Although having to warm up
> the VG a second before I want to use it is a bore I can easily fairly easily
> accomodate this within the control flow.
>
> So I do now have a reasonable workaround (confession: I hadn't got this far
> when I started writing this email).  But is this the best one can do?  Is
> there a better approach altogether that I've missed?
>
> (The obviously completely different approach is to initialise the VG once
> when the kiosk launches, and leave it running all day, hiding and showing
> the preview/record stack as necessary.  However this is going to be in a
> high-traffic and high-profile location, from launch, and there's not long
> before launch; so I'm nervous about doing this without more time for soak
> testing, given various anecdotes I've heard about drifting sync etc.  But if
> there's contrary experience that this can work reliably, I'd be interested
> to hear about that also.)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 10:02:14 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:02:14 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper is on the road for open beta test
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuKyFJrViGtNTTyz8Qou5o6PgDwmSN8Ch7kaSs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikuKyFJrViGtNTTyz8Qou5o6PgDwmSN8Ch7kaSs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJ4dnpzZ+x0=eujga-bwExNryVv1pONqQkpW3u@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot to mention that DGH works on mac and windows, Revolution 4.0 or 4.5.
Untested with version 3.5, but should work as well.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 13 11:41:21 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:41:21 -0500
Subject: Print Field error in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <9A58A003-B46D-461F-92A9-743AC1F1C493@virginbroadband.com.au>
References: <9A58A003-B46D-461F-92A9-743AC1F1C493@virginbroadband.com.au>
Message-ID: <4C8E4621.7050702@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/13/10 3:03 AM, Brent Summerton wrote:

> What can I do to the following script to tell Windows that what I am printing is to be BLACK!!
>
> on Mouseup
>   revPrintField the name of field "Results"
> end Mouseup


Have you already set the textcolor of the field to black before printing?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 13 12:39:27 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:39:27 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=R5WSWDh5Nh5GUvv1xnrOEoxr=1Rn2Cg531OWs@mail.gmail.com>
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Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships. 

Bob


On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Jacque,
> 
> It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?)
> both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the
> 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
> 'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing wink
> and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's
> integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc..
> They were on Apple's side fanning away.
> 
> Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know
> as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
> because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
> fickleness cost me business.
> 
> But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
> vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
> now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
> again.
> 
> I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at
> all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me
>> he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
>> don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
>> predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
>> 
>> 
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From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 13 13:40:06 2010
From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:40:06 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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Apple's decision may be good news for Runrev but I hope their change of
heart does not distract Runrev from cleaning up RevWeb and releasing
it...please?  It just stinks having to use all of these 'groups' vs multiple
stacks.  The option menu's need help too.  RevWeb is such a great
feature...just needs some clean-up.

____________________________
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714.321.4499

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:39 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't
situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly,
but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think
if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did
seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I
don't think it's any different in business relationships. 

Bob


On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Jacque,
> 
> It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say
that?)
> both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and
the
> 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
> 'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing
wink
> and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the
platform's
> integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support,
etc..
> They were on Apple's side fanning away.
> 
> Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I
know
> as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
> because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
> fickleness cost me business.
> 
> But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
> vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
> now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
> again.
> 
> I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not
at
> all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told
me
>> he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
>> don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
>> predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
>> 
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 13 14:01:31 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:01:31 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X Textured Button custom control
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I believe it's a speed related issue. The same thing applies to using my Expert Mouse Trackpad from Kensington. Slow clicks work, fast clicks do not seem to work well in revolution. Perhaps it is an issue with a foreign mouse driver, such as a trackpad or trackball might use. I don't seem to see this problem anywhere else except for Revolution, but then Rev is doing "special stuff" trying to trap and handle events and what have you, so no surprise there. 

Bob


On Sep 11, 2010, at 3:40 AM, theworcestersource.com wrote:

> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I've had a little look into this and something rather odd seems to be
> happening.
> 
> What I've noticed is that on my MacBook, if I press the trackpad button
> down, the button gets a mouseUp message. If I just tap it lightly, the
> message isn't sent. This is probably linked to the problem that you have.
> 
> Does anybody know of any issues with mouseUp. I vaguely remember some
> comments on mouseUp not being fired in earlier versions of Rev.
> 
> I could always rework the code to do everything on mouseDown but again, am
> aware that doing it this way isn't supposed to be the best approach to take.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Steve
> -- 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 14:05:13 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:05:13 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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  Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 
'managed' that 'Apple' is nothing
but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of 
'mistake'; howver, you can be
sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative 
trick to set everybody's teeth on
edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more 
or less than a big 'B'; you have to
be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for 
anyone beyond his firm.

I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different 
sort of relationship than business partners.

For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her 
and squash her; luckily, should I ever
have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own 
interests. "Mutual respect" is the first
phrase that springs to mind.

Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the 
iPad are NOT married to
Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement.

Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's 
"relationships" with his 1008 lovers there,
and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs 
to the post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 
developers out there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their
*********s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having "pooed" all over 
those developers, and he now comes
"cap in hand" to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 
'magic circle' is no reason to
forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve 
as a lasting warning that we are
dealing with a wolf.

Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat 
world of computer programming
(hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not 
that much competition) for quite some
time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website 
would have us believe. I, for one, do
not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he 
is down on his knees sending
prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping 
to cast his darshan on RunRev.

Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major 
players makes next. I am so very,
very glad it is him, not me.

Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as 
Linux, Haiku (gosh, I wish they would
speed up - Andre ?????), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one 
struggling to get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other 
unpredictable factors

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had 
enough of these].

Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an 
announcement:

"The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being no member of 
staff qualified to drive it."

Open Source has those sorts of moments sometimes.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

there is a shortage of dictatorial types such as Jobs, Gates and Ballmer.

On 9/13/10 7:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Jacque,
>>
>> It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?)
>> both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the
>> 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
>> 'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing wink
>> and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's
>> integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc..
>> They were on Apple's side fanning away.
>>
>> Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know
>> as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
>> because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
>> fickleness cost me business.
>>
>> But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
>> vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
>> now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
>> again.
>>
>> I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at
>> all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>>
>>> When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me
>>> he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
>>> don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
>>> predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
>>>
>>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 14:13:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:13:28 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <002401cb536a$b4b57220$1e205660$@com>
References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>	<4C894456.70103@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTi=R5WSWDh5Nh5GUvv1xnrOEoxr=1Rn2Cg531OWs@mail.gmail.com>	<63575E73-75DD-4EEA-8EC0-F37F97224D99@twft.com>
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  On 9/13/10 8:40 PM, Jim Schaubeck wrote:
> Apple's decision may be good news for Runrev but I hope their change of
> heart does not distract Runrev from cleaning up RevWeb and releasing
> it...please?  It just stinks having to use all of these 'groups' vs multiple
> stacks.  The option menu's need help too.  RevWeb is such a great
> feature...just needs some clean-up.
>

Funnily enough, I am extremely grateful to the fact that RevWeb was 
"crappy" at the start:

I tried to release a version of my Devawriter as a web-let (Cor! Naive 
as a cabbage!); and fell
well foul of the substacks SNAFU.

Went away and "thunk" a lot.

Tried again where all those substacks were implemented as cards.

Fairly awful . . .

Tried again where each substack/card was implemented as a layer of 
images where the vis was
tripped back and forth.

Awful revlet . . . but

Significantly more efficient stack to turn into normal standalones.

------------------------------------------------------------------

A long time ago I tried programming on my BBC Micro Master Compact, and, 
with
96k RAM, no hard-disk (well, to be honest, I knew what a tape drive was, 
but a hard-disk; give
me a break), and Yay-small floppies, one had to do marvels in a minimum 
of incredibly
economic code.

Now that we are in the age of bloat-ware, we forget those virtues.

"Crappy" RevWeb forced me to return to them, and for that I will always 
be grateful.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Sep 13 14:18:05 2010
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:18:05 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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 > I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather 
> different sort of relationship than business partners.
> 
> For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually 
> dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a 
> dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own 
> interests. "Mutual respect" is the first phrase that springs to mind.

You've been married how long and your wife hasn't already dominated you and
squashed you? What's the deal? :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Mon Sep 13 14:24:52 2010
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:24:52 +0200
Subject: nprevweb makes my Safari crash!
Message-ID: <1jorxme.dnck5k1h79hruM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

I tested today my "revlet" page on my On-Rev web site
-- trying to access a page containing a revlet makes my Safari crash!

Safari 5.0.1
Mac OS X 10.6.4
iMac Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06 GHz
the "revlets" page:
<http://medard.on-rev.com/RevWeb/index.irev>

I wonder if the nprevweb module is compatible with the new extension
scheme beginning with Safari 5... ?




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 13 14:31:35 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:31:35 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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Nice use of big words and phrases. I am overwhelmed. :-) But it still doesn't get around to addressing the issue that you leave Steve no means of redeeming himself, or "making things right". I find this approach extremely "dictatorial" in it's own right, and Steve never even told you he LIKED you, never mind that he wanted to go beyond a first date! <pokes Richmond in the ribs with his own "stick of redirection".> 

A old wise old professor named A. E. Wilder-Smith (6 earned doctorates and countless lectures and debates under his belt) once told me that it's no good leaving an opponent in a debate without a way of escape. "We are trying to win minds, not arguments." he would say. I've had to really bite my tongue at times to try to follow that advice throughout my life. 

And by the way, your use of words to paint the picture of Steve Jobs as a ravening wolf is certainly very skilled, but reminds me of the unsavory practice of the modern media, of finding the most unflattering photos of a politician they really dislike, and only then printing those amidst words that describe what the politician in the photo might be like, instead of treating the facts of the article with the objectiveness they claim for themselves. Just an observation. 

Bob


On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 'managed' that 'Apple' is nothing
> but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of 'mistake'; howver, you can be
> sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative trick to set everybody's teeth on
> edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more or less than a big 'B'; you have to
> be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for anyone beyond his firm.
> 
> I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners.
> 
> For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever
> have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. "Mutual respect" is the first
> phrase that springs to mind.
> 
> Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the iPad are NOT married to
> Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement.
> 
> Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's "relationships" with his 1008 lovers there,
> and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs to the post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 developers out there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their
> *********s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having "pooed" all over those developers, and he now comes
> "cap in hand" to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 'magic circle' is no reason to
> forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve as a lasting warning that we are
> dealing with a wolf.
> 
> Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat world of computer programming
> (hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not that much competition) for quite some
> time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website would have us believe. I, for one, do
> not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he is down on his knees sending
> prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping to cast his darshan on RunRev.
> 
> Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major players makes next. I am so very,
> very glad it is him, not me.
> 
> Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as Linux, Haiku (gosh, I wish they would
> speed up - Andre ?????), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one struggling to get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other unpredictable factors
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had enough of these].
> 
> Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an announcement:
> 
> "The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being no member of staff qualified to drive it."
> 
> Open Source has those sorts of moments sometimes.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> there is a shortage of dictatorial types such as Jobs, Gates and Ballmer.
> 
> On 9/13/10 7:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Jacque,
>>> 
>>> It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?)
>>> both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the
>>> 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
>>> 'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing wink
>>> and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's
>>> integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc..
>>> They were on Apple's side fanning away.
>>> 
>>> Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know
>>> as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
>>> because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
>>> fickleness cost me business.
>>> 
>>> But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
>>> vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
>>> now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
>>> again.
>>> 
>>> I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at
>>> all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me
>>>> he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
>>>> don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
>>>> predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 14:47:58 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:47:58 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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  On 9/13/10 9:18 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>   >  I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather
>> different sort of relationship than business partners.
>>
>> For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually
>> dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever have a
>> dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own
>> interests. "Mutual respect" is the first phrase that springs to mind.
> You've been married how long and your wife hasn't already dominated you and
> squashed you? What's the deal? :-)
>
20 years so far!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 14:56:17 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:56:17 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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  On 9/13/10 9:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Nice use of big words and phrases. I am overwhelmed. :-) But it still doesn't get around to addressing the issue that you leave Steve no means of redeeming himself, or "making things right". I find this approach extremely "dictatorial" in it's own right, and Steve never even told you he LIKED you, never mind that he wanted to go beyond a first date!<pokes Richmond in the ribs with his own "stick of redirection".>
>
> A old wise old professor named A. E. Wilder-Smith (6 earned doctorates and countless lectures and debates under his belt) once told me that it's no good leaving an opponent in a debate without a way of escape. "We are trying to win minds, not arguments." he would say. I've had to really bite my tongue at times to try to follow that advice throughout my life.
>
> And by the way, your use of words to paint the picture of Steve Jobs as a ravening wolf is certainly very skilled, but reminds me of the unsavory practice of the modern media, of finding the most unflattering photos of a politician they really dislike, and only then printing those amidst words that describe what the politician in the photo might be like, instead of treating the facts of the article with the objectiveness they claim for themselves. Just an observation.
>
> Bob
>
>

Well; I will take nothing I wrote too seriously, nor anything you wrote 
as I just had this vision of how wolf-like
Steve Jobs looks and everything sort of unfolded from there.

Frankly a glass of dry, white wine and a spot of Buxtehude beats 
thinking about the nastiness of the computer
programming business any day . . .  :)

However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be, 
despite misdirecting signs, a sharp
cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as 
its boss?

I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself: 
paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after 
nearly 20 years.

> On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Jolly forgiving of you. This presupposes that Apple (which may be so 'managed' that 'Apple' is nothing
>> but short-hand for 'Steve Jobs' - I don't know) has made some sort of 'mistake'; howver, you can be
>> sure that that is far from the truth; the whole thing is a manipulative trick to set everybody's teeth on
>> edge and so that they feel grateful to Steve Jobs (who is nothing more or less than a big 'B'; you have to
>> be a big 'B' to run such a company) when in fact he has done nothing for anyone beyond his firm.
>>
>> I am 'sorry' to tell you that my wife and I enjoy a rather different sort of relationship than business partners.
>>
>> For starters, I don't have a desperate urge to continually dominate her and squash her; luckily, should I ever
>> have a dictatorial moment she is quite capable of defending her own interests. "Mutual respect" is the first
>> phrase that springs to mind.
>>
>> Developers who wish to use RevMobile to make stuff for the iPhone or the iPad are NOT married to
>> Steve Jobs (the mind boggles); or even in some sort of conjugal arrangement.
>>
>> Let us reflect on the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, and Sri Krsna's "relationships" with his 1008 lovers there,
>> and the way he behaved towards them before we start elevating Steve Jobs to the post of paramour in chief. Presumably there are at least 1008 developers out there wanting to develop stuff for iPhone/Pad who had their
>> *********s bitten off by Steve. The fact that having "pooed" all over those developers, and he now comes
>> "cap in hand" to graciously (Uriah Heep-like) allow them back inside the 'magic circle' is no reason to
>> forgive or forget; the wolf has bitten and the bite marks should serve as a lasting warning that we are
>> dealing with a wolf.
>>
>> Kevin, presumably, having kept his head above water in the cut-throat world of computer programming
>> (hey, guess why I went into developing stuff for writing Sanskrit; not that much competition) for quite some
>> time, is not half as naive as that 'nice photo' on the RunRev website would have us believe. I, for one, do
>> not believe that every night from now on, just before he goes to bed, he is down on his knees sending
>> prayers of thanks to Sri Sri Sri 108 Steve Jobs for graciously stooping to cast his darshan on RunRev.
>>
>> Kevin, is probably, waiting for whatever nasty move one of the major players makes next. I am so very,
>> very glad it is him, not me.
>>
>> Of course this is why I will keep 'needling' Kevin about stuff such as Linux, Haiku (gosh, I wish they would
>> speed up - Andre ?????), MorphOS, ReactOS (there's another one struggling to get off the runway) and so on; where, despite other unpredictable factors
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Pause for one of Richmond;'s silly stories [skip this if you have had enough of these].
>>
>> Waiting for a train from Luton to Central London this year I heard an announcement:
>>
>> "The train at 14.25 has been cancelled owing to there being no member of staff qualified to drive it."
>>
>> Open Source has those sorts of moments sometimes.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> there is a shortage of dictatorial types such as Jobs, Gates and Ballmer.
>>
>> On 9/13/10 7:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Personally, I hate being in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If someone makes a mistake in judgement or treats me unfairly, but later relents, I think it's my part to forgive them and move on. I think if I were married to someone and she was so unhappy that nothing I did seemed to please her, I would tell her that she just needs to move on. I don't think it's any different in business relationships.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacque,
>>>>
>>>> It occurred to me today that Apple has actually pissed off (can I say that?)
>>>> both sides of developers now. Originally, there were the XCode devs and the
>>>> 'others.' Of course XCoders didn't mind, and many were openly happy the
>>>> 'others' were getting the boot. "More for ME," they chimed with knowing wink
>>>> and a smile. Many defended Apple by citing the protection of the platform's
>>>> integrity, first to market advantage, and lack of proper API support, etc..
>>>> They were on Apple's side fanning away.
>>>>
>>>> Now, with the change, it seems like both sides would be disappointed. I know
>>>> as a frustrated developer BEFORE, I'm not any more of an Apple fan just
>>>> because they change their mind like a newborn changes diapers. Heck, their
>>>> fickleness cost me business.
>>>>
>>>> But, what about all the poor Xcode developers and Apple apologists who
>>>> vigorously defended? I would think they might be a bit upset-- or at least
>>>> now think twice before jumping on any license grenade for Apple's sake
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I'm saying here, is even if SJ likes the developers, I'm not at
>>>> all sure he's as loved as he once may have been.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told me
>>>>> he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the customers
>>>>> don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely do. He
>>>>> predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 14:57:07 2010
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:57:07 -0400
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
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I personally think anti-trust investigation prompted by Adobe had more to do
with this than our mighty muscle with Jobs. Even if they were not found
guilty, the "little child" position was very damaging publicly.

Besides, we programmers are not the most virtuous people in the world. If
there is money to be made in programming for the devil's own platform, there
will be a lot of programmers lining up.

Now back to my Visual Studio project (you can see I lined up...)

Neal\


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 15:30:27 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:30:27 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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  On 09/13/2010 09:57 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:
> I personally think anti-trust investigation prompted by Adobe had more to do
> with this than our mighty muscle with Jobs. Even if they were not found
> guilty, the "little child" position was very damaging publicly.
>
> Besides, we programmers are not the most virtuous people in the world. If
> there is money to be made in programming for the devil's own platform, there
> will be a lot of programmers lining up.

Now, let me see: I've heard of Windows, Linux, Mac OS, UNIX, Sparc, 
MorphOS, ReactOS, Haiku, and many
more; but "The Devil's Own" has passed me by;

Frankly it sounds like the Operating System for me; please, please, do 
tell all . . .  :)


> Now back to my Visual Studio project (you can see I lined up...)

Minor Devil ?

> Neal\
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Sep 13 17:10:19 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:10:19 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
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Bob,

To me, what you're saying sounds like the something wife-beaters like to
say.
Beat her up. Tell her how sorry you are and have her forgive you. Then beat
her up again.

Do any of us really expect any MORE from Jobs?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 13 18:46:47 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:46:47 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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On 9/13/10 1:56 PM, Richmond wrote:

> However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be,
> despite misdirecting signs, a sharp
> cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as
> its boss?

Kevin is a very sharp cookie indeed -- but I'm thinking maybe he'd make 
faster progress if he wore only black turtlenecks in public.

>
> I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself:
> paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after
> nearly 20 years.

Gotcha beat, and we even still like each other. Most of the time, anyway.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 13 18:50:14 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:50:14 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
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Well it's not like that at all. It's more like she promised not to use the credit card, and then did anyway. After her husband got upset she took the stuff back and got a refund. Is her husband now justified in being angry that she got the refund? THAT is what it is like. My God, people, really? You think a change in a corporation's software distribution policy, and then relaxing it again because of the heat is like wife beating?? Really??? Remind me to never step on your toes. I'll be arrested for murder!! LOL!

And what we expect from Steve Jobs is irrelevant. All you have the RIGHT to expect is what he offered to give you for the cash in your pocket, or in Rev's case, what they both agreed upon contractually. This ain't a Marxist totalitarian state, it's free enterprise. (Unless something happened in my sleep...) If Apple takes your money for something, and then defrauds you, they have to give the money back. There may be more damages you can sue for, but once you get to the end of that road, it's a tip of the hat and a good day to you sir, and you go your separate ways. 

Not saying Steve's decision to lock out certain dev environments was a good one, I thought it sukked (that's an ancient polynesian word that means "an act of irresponsibly"), but now we are back on the road, save what damages you incurred, which you are welcome to sue for. 

Sorry to be so contentious, but I think we need a reality check about these odd expectations that seem to have cropped up around Apple or any other independent corporation. They are in business for themselves at the least (although some in the corporation may have higher aspirations to help make the world a better place in the process). That is going to please some people and anger others. Oh well. 

Bob


On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> To me, what you're saying sounds like the something wife-beaters like to
> say.
> Beat her up. Tell her how sorry you are and have her forgive you. Then beat
> her up again.
> 
> Do any of us really expect any MORE from Jobs?
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Sep 13 20:06:24 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:06:24 -0700
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
Message-ID: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>

  Does anyone have a clear-cut way for Rev to know whether it's running in a 
32-bit or a 64-bit environment on Windows? Bonus points for being able to 
identify hardware & software 'bits' separately.

Many thanks!
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Sep 13 21:25:07 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
Message-ID: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>


I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have
labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the
content of the information displayed. Here is my question: I want to modify
the following group script for checkboxes to display the content of the
checkboxes plus the label fields for some of the checkboxes. I have tried
grouping the checkboxes that have an additional label fields but that does
not work.

What changes would I need to make this work both checkboxes that have label
fields and those that do not have label fields?


on mouseUp
   put the number of buttons of me into nbr
   repeat with n = 1 to nbr
      put the short name of button n of me into tName
      if not the hilite of button n of me then next repeat
      put tName & ", " after theList
      --      put tName & cr after theList
   end repeat
   delete char -2 to -1 of theList
   put theList into field "list"
end mouseUp
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Sep 13 23:39:26 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:39:26 -1000
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
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  To ask the obvious first:  we assume you need, in many cases, two 
lines worth of label for the check box buttons but RunRev does not allow 
multi-line labels for check buttons.

There are many ways to tackle this but if it were me I would add a 
custom property to each of the buttons with the full text that I wanted 
to associate with that button, name it something like uMyLabel

Then your code could be:

on mouseUp
    put the number of buttons of me into nbr
    repeat with n = 1 to nbr
       if (the hilite of button n of me then)
        put (the uMyLabel of button n of me)&  ", " after theList
       end if
    end repeat
    delete char -2 to -1 of theList
    put theList into field "list"
end mouseUp

but then you have the issue of maintenance. What if you want to change the text of the button label? you have to fix the label and the custom property.

Another solution could be to make your UI consistent.. and not use custom props. You would programatically generate a label field that holds two lines and place that next to each check box button and name it with a hook to the button, then turn off the name and label of all the buttons. ( I don't know if your GUI has space for single line label button to occupy the same vertical space as 2 liners)

First, go ahead and enter the full label text property of all your buttons, don't worry about the space requirement on the GUI level for now.  You just want all your data for the same type of object, all in the same "targetable" location.

Next make a label field with all the properties you want them all to have. of course it will be set to wrap and align right, nice background color, text color etc...whatever you want

then have a "tools"  button on your UI that you can hide later.

on mouseUp
    set the properties of  templateField to the properties of fld "MyButtonLabel"

    repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons of this card
       put ("Label_"&  the short name of button x) into tLabelName
       create field tLabelName
       set the topright of fld tLabelName to (item 1 of (the topleft of button x)-4,item 2 of the topleft of button x)
             # you can move them later or work out the math here to place them correctly
       put the label of button x into fld tLabelName
       # turn off the label on the button itself
       set the showname of btn x to false
     # Let's now let's make the check boxes small so they are only as wide as the actual check box itself
     # but this will cause the position to change  so we need to get the left first.
        put the left of btn x into tLeft
        set the width of btn x to 20
        set the left of btn x to tLeft # restore position
     end Repeat
   reset templateField
end mouseUp

Then you get your list like this:

on mouseUp
    put the number of buttons of me into nbr
    repeat with n = 1 to nbr

      if (the hilite of button n of me then)
        put (the Label of button n of me)&  ", " after theList
       end if
    end repeat
    delete char -2 to -1 of theList
    put theList into field "list"
end mouseUp

For maintenance you could have a handler in your tools button to update button labels when you change/edit the GUI..

on mouseUp
    put the number of buttons of me into nbr
    repeat with n = 1 to nbr
     set the label of button n of me to fld ("Label_"&  the short name of button x)
    end repeat
end mouseUp

many ways to tackle it.













Next, since you need to see this in the UI I would programattically 
generate a small transparent field over each of the buttons just to the 
right of the check box and set the check box to for consistency

On 9/13/10 3:25 PM, charles61 wrote:
> I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have
> labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the
> content of the information displayed. Here is my question: I want to modify
> the following group script for checkboxes to display the content of the
> checkboxes plus the label fields for some of the checkboxes. I have tried
> grouping the checkboxes that have an additional label fields but that does
> not work.
>
> What changes would I need to make this work both checkboxes that have label
> fields and those that do not have label fields?
>
>
> on mouseUp
>     put the number of buttons of me into nbr
>     repeat with n = 1 to nbr
>        put the short name of button n of me into tName
>        if not the hilite of button n of me then next repeat
>        put tName&  ", " after theList
>        --      put tName&  cr after theList
>     end repeat
>     delete char -2 to -1 of theList
>     put theList into field "list"
> end mouseUp



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 14 01:07:15 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:07:15 -0500
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4C8F0303.9060105@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/13/10 8:25 PM, charles61 wrote:
>
> I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have
> labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the
> content of the information displayed.

You can add a two-line label if you do it by script:

   set the label of btn 1 to "line one" &cr& "line 2"

Would that help?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Sep 14 01:38:24 2010
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:38:24 -0700
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <4C8F0303.9060105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C8F0303.9060105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <87010187-B84B-4672-886D-E2FBA88839DF@elementarysoftware.com>

Cool!  I didn't know you could do that.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
office     1-800-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------


On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/13/10 8:25 PM, charles61 wrote:
>> 
>> I have a series of cards that have checkboxes. Some of the checkboxes have
>> labels fields under them because the label of the checkbox will not hold the
>> content of the information displayed.
> 
> You can add a two-line label if you do it by script:
> 
>  set the label of btn 1 to "line one" &cr& "line 2"
> 
> Would that help?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 01:55:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:55:21 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C8EA9D7.5020704@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>	<4C894456.70103@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTi=R5WSWDh5Nh5GUvv1xnrOEoxr=1Rn2Cg531OWs@mail.gmail.com>	<63575E73-75DD-4EEA-8EC0-F37F97224D99@twft.com>	<4C8E67D9.4060907@gmail.com>	<86D569DE-E22A-4B9A-BC83-2212F58AD16E@twft.com>	<4C8E73D1.1080109@gmail.com>
	<4C8EA9D7.5020704@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C8F0E49.8040109@gmail.com>

  On 9/14/10 1:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 9/13/10 1:56 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> However, I am serious about what I wrote about Kevin, who seems to be,
>> despite misdirecting signs, a sharp
>> cookie: which is a relief really - who wants a company without one as
>> its boss?
>
> Kevin is a very sharp cookie indeed -- but I'm thinking maybe he'd 
> make faster progress if he wore only black turtlenecks in public.
>

Please, please, NO!

>>
>> I am also serious about what I wrote about my wife and myself:
>> paradoxically and unfashionably, we are still contentedly married after
>> nearly 20 years.
>
> Gotcha beat, and we even still like each other. Most of the time, anyway.
>

Wow, that makes me extremely happy!



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep 14 03:06:05 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:06:05 +1000
Subject: on-rev forum
Message-ID: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi

Has anyone managed to get in to the on-rev forum lately? I tried to register back on 30 July and still had no response so I tried again and got the same message. Why isn't the forum open?

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From psahores at free.fr  Tue Sep 14 06:51:16 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:51:16 +0200
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <059B4440-F787-4A6E-BD95-1F85BF824AE7@free.fr>

Hi Phil,

Why not check the Registry trough a rev command line call ?

HTH,

Pierre


Le 14 sept. 2010 ? 02:06, Phil Davis a ?crit :

> Does anyone have a clear-cut way for Rev to know whether it's running in a 32-bit or a 64-bit environment on Windows? Bonus points for being able to identify hardware & software 'bits' separately.
> 
> Many thanks!
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 14 08:36:20 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:36:20 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
Message-ID: <4C8F6C44.60506@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Well it's not like that at all. It's more like she promised not
> to use the credit card, and then did anyway. After her husband
> got upset she took the stuff back and got a refund. Is her husband
> now justified in being angry that she got the refund? THAT is what
> it is like.

Please keep in mind that RevMobile (like Flash and the rest) was fully 
compliant with Apple's SDK license version 1, 2, and 3, and was only 
redefined as "criminal" very late in the game with v4.

Given that, it's more like the husband told her to use the credit card, 
drove her to the mall, helped her pick out a dress, and only got mad 
when she took it to the counter.

But I agree that this metaphor is a bit stretched for the circumstance 
it describes.

Among the other ways it breaks down, I don't believe the decision to 
remove the "originally written in" clause came from Jobs at all.

We may never know the backstory on how Apple's iOS SDK license returned 
to sanity from the darkly lame weirdness it had devolved into. I'm just 
glad it did.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Tue Sep 14 10:04:36 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:04:36 -0700
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <85C78A95-00C8-45EA-8B77-49CDE5B956A4@cruzio.com>

Does that mean that this list is the only rev chatter there is?  I've noticed the list is very quiet with user questions and hoped it had moved over to the forums.


On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Has anyone managed to get in to the on-rev forum lately? I tried to register back on 30 July and still had no response so I tried again and got the same message. Why isn't the forum open?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> 
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 14 11:07:12 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:07:12 -0500
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/14/10 2:06 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Hi
>
> Has anyone managed to get in to the on-rev forum lately? I tried to
> register back on 30 July and still had no response so I tried again
> and got the same message. Why isn't the forum open?

It's still there and active, and there are posts from today. I'm not 
sure if it is required, but you may need to register with the email 
address on file with RR. If that isn't the case or if it doesn't work, 
then drop a note to support. There was some server maintenance recently 
and maybe that affected new signups.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 14 11:09:38 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:09:38 -0500
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/14/10 10:07 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 9/14/10 2:06 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Has anyone managed to get in to the on-rev forum lately? I tried to
>> register back on 30 July and still had no response so I tried again
>> and got the same message. Why isn't the forum open?
>
> It's still there and active, and there are posts from today. I'm not
> sure if it is required, but you may need to register with the email
> address on file with RR. If that isn't the case or if it doesn't work,
> then drop a note to support. There was some server maintenance recently
> and maybe that affected new signups.
>

Wait -- I assumed you meant the regular RR forums. There's an on-rev 
forum? Did I miss something?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Sep 14 11:31:12 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:31:12 -0600
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>


On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:09 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> 
> Wait -- I assumed you meant the regular RR forums. There's an on-rev 
> forum? Did I miss something?

Umm, yes. Have you really never seen it? Go to on-rev.com, then click Support > Forums.

Hey, everyone! I knew something Jacque didn't know!!

:-)

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 14 11:35:48 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:35:48 -0700
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <104662885312.20100914083548@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:31:12 AM, you wrote:

>> Wait -- I assumed you meant the regular RR forums. There's an on-rev
>> forum? Did I miss something?

> Umm, yes. Have you really never seen it? Go to on-rev.com, then click Support > Forums.

It's pretty dismal, but it exists. And I just logged in to make sure.
Your login info for the forum is the same as your cpanel login info.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Sep 14 12:24:16 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:24:16 +0100
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <104662885312.20100914083548@ahsoftware.net>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
	<104662885312.20100914083548@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-hoxpRD5J_Bpff+Wq6MuTabFwV-LvEHrvek9D@mail.gmail.com>

On 14 September 2010 16:35, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>
> >> Wait -- I assumed you meant the regular RR forums. There's an on-rev
> >> forum? Did I miss something?
>
> > Umm, yes. Have you really never seen it? Go to on-rev.com, then click
> Support > Forums.
>
>
> It's pretty dismal, but it exists. And I just logged in to make sure.
> Your login info for the forum is the same as your cpanel login info.
>

It's part of the integrated community support tools, that integrate
seamlessly with this list and the use contributed notes? They all have the
same password - at least if that is what you entered when you registered :)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 14 13:16:25 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:16:25 -0500
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4C8FADE9.3040005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/14/10 10:31 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:09 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wait -- I assumed you meant the regular RR forums. There's an on-rev
>> forum? Did I miss something?
>
> Umm, yes. Have you really never seen it? Go to on-rev.com, then click Support>  Forums.
>
> Hey, everyone! I knew something Jacque didn't know!!

The older I get, the more everyone knows stuff I don't know. :) I found 
it before you posted though -- but it's pretty empty. In fact, there's a 
checkbox at the bottom that says "forum locked". I don't know what 
that's all about. I didn't look at more than the first screen, since I 
already suffer from information overload.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Sep 14 13:26:10 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:26:10 -0700
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <059B4440-F787-4A6E-BD95-1F85BF824AE7@free.fr>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<059B4440-F787-4A6E-BD95-1F85BF824AE7@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4C8FB032.3030903@pdslabs.net>

  Thanks Pierre - what thing in the registry should I check?
Phil

On 9/14/10 3:51 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Why not check the Registry trough a rev command line call ?
>
> HTH,
>
> Pierre
>
>
> Le 14 sept. 2010 ? 02:06, Phil Davis a ?crit :
>
>> Does anyone have a clear-cut way for Rev to know whether it's running in a 32-bit or a 64-bit environment on Windows? Bonus points for being able to identify hardware&  software 'bits' separately.
>>
>> Many thanks!
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
>> PDS Labs
>> Professional Software Development
>> http://pdslabs.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>
> www.woooooooords.com
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Sep 14 13:26:27 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:26:27 -0600
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <4C8FADE9.3040005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
	<4C8FADE9.3040005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2EE2E60A-F219-41C7-9466-193DC6913D95@byu.edu>


On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/14/10 10:31 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:09 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wait -- I assumed you meant the regular RR forums. There's an on-rev
>>> forum? Did I miss something?
>> 
>> Umm, yes. Have you really never seen it? Go to on-rev.com, then click Support>  Forums.
>> 
>> Hey, everyone! I knew something Jacque didn't know!!
> 
> The older I get, the more everyone knows stuff I don't know. :) I found 
> it before you posted though -- but it's pretty empty. In fact, there's a 
> checkbox at the bottom that says "forum locked". I don't know what 
> that's all about. I didn't look at more than the first screen, since I 
> already suffer from information overload.

It was actually pretty active the first few weeks and months after on-rev was introduced. There are some really good posts from last summer, for instance.

IIRC, when you first go there it shows up as "locked" until you log in with your on-rev account info.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jiml at netrin.com  Tue Sep 14 13:31:20 2010
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:31:20 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <20100914123806.038A1288335@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100914123806.038A1288335@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C3369D87-70AA-4CF2-BCF9-F766E66E38F7@netrin.com>

Richard wrote:

> t's more like the husband told her to use the credit card, 
> drove her to the mall, helped her pick out a dress, and only got mad 
> when she took it to the counter.


From now on, she should buy all her clothes at myshape.com  ;)

Couldn't resist.

Jim Lambert
VP R&D MyShape

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 13:51:05 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:51:05 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <C3369D87-70AA-4CF2-BCF9-F766E66E38F7@netrin.com>
References: <20100914123806.038A1288335@mail.runrev.com>
	<C3369D87-70AA-4CF2-BCF9-F766E66E38F7@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <4C8FB609.4040805@gmail.com>

  On 09/14/2010 08:31 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>
>> t's more like the husband told her to use the credit card,
>> drove her to the mall, helped her pick out a dress, and only got mad
>> when she took it to the counter.
>
>  From now on, she should buy all her clothes at myshape.com  ;)
>
> Couldn't resist.
>
>

So; who is going to design the Runtime Revolution fabric so that we can
ALL show our loyalty, on our chests, our bottoms, on our . . .  :)

Every single other product (including RunRev) has the boringly predictable
hoodies, tee-shirts and coffee mugs: Come on, I want to wear a RunRev
kilt! And I can just see Jacque sporting a frock in RunRev watered silk!

That would put Steve Jobs's turtle-neck sweaters in the shade for ever.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 14 14:15:35 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:15:35 -0700
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <2EE2E60A-F219-41C7-9466-193DC6913D95@byu.edu>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
	<4C8FADE9.3040005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2EE2E60A-F219-41C7-9466-193DC6913D95@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <67672472000.20100914111535@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 10:26:27 AM, you wrote:

> IIRC, when you first go there it shows up as "locked" until you
> log in with your on-rev account info.

That's correct. After you log in you can see the posts. I don't
understand the reasoning behind this, but the other forum is/was set
up the same way.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Sep 14 17:03:10 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:03:10 -0500
Subject: Doesn't work: set the top of img "MyImage" of stack pStackName
	to 0
In-Reply-To: <1284338349604-2536789.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284338349604-2536789.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFD8_BchbzG2zHz6TJuWJOBwBUzoDAMxHWYTnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does it throw an error at anytime? Is there a stack "Test" ? Have you run it
through the debugger?
Assuming all the objects exist, here are a couple things I might try.

try:
set the name of last image of stack pStackName to pName
instead of
set the name of img "ImageLib" of stack pStackName to pName

some other things you might look at..
setting the defaultstack to pStackName
getting the width of the card, not the stack.

btw, you don't need to set the lockloc to true to move an image around via
script control.


On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Mark Stuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Why doesn't the following scripts work?
>
> stack 1 (Name: Test)
> on mouseUp
>   start using stack "MyLib"
>   CreateImage "Test","MyImage"
> end mouseUp
>
> stack 2 (Name: MyLib)
> command CreateImage pStackName,pName
>
>   --// the image "ImageLib" already exists on the "MyLib" stack.
>   --// its properties: Name=ImageLib, Width=150, Height=24, lockLoc=true.
>   copy img "ImageLib" of stack "MyLib" to stack pStackName
>   set the name of img "ImageLib" of stack pStackName to pName
>
>   --// prepare the image to be unlocked before setting the position on
> stack 1.
>   set the lockLoc of img pName of stack pStackName to false
>
>   --// one way to set the position of the image. But this doesn't place it
> in the desired position.
>   set the rect of img pName of stack pStackName to 0,0,the width of stack
> pStackName,24
>
>   --// this is another way I tried, but it doesn't work either.
>   --set the width of img pName of stack pStackName to the width of stack
> pStackName
>   --set the left of img pName of stack pStackName to 0
>   --set the top of img pName of stack pStackName to 0
>
>   set the lockLoc of img pName of stack pStackName to true
> end CreateImage
>
> I also used each script in the MessageBox. But that didn't do anything to
> the image on stack 1 after running the script.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> --
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Sep 14 18:17:05 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:17:05 +0100
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
Message-ID: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>


Off-topic - but I could do with a favour.

I'm helping a friend develop a new web site, and although I created it a 
couple of days ago, it (apparently) isn't yet visible to her. I can't 
tell whether it's simply a DNS delay - just longer than I'm used to, or 
some other problem.

So could a few of you let me know whether or not you can reach 
http://www.melaniechmielewska.co.uk
(and if you can see it, any other comments are welcome; note the gallery 
and corbel photos are incomplete, but they will be there tomorrow ....)

And, to be slightly more general - anyone know of a service / website 
that will let you check DNS name visibility in a number of locations 
around the web ?  I tried the one at 
http://www.mob.net/~ted/tools/dns.php3 but wasn't convinced it is very 
authoritative.

Thanks
-- Alex.


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Sep 14 18:24:41 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:24:41 -0600
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CFA92E32-CFB1-4550-BD9F-D0FA780C452D@byu.edu>

Works here.

I notice that sometimes the DNS cache on my Mac needs to be flushed after a DNS change. If she's on a mac that might be the issue.

On OS X 10.5 and higher the shell command to do this is:

dscacheutil -flushcache

HTH

Devin


On Sep 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> 
> Off-topic - but I could do with a favour.
> 
> I'm helping a friend develop a new web site, and although I created it a 
> couple of days ago, it (apparently) isn't yet visible to her. I can't 
> tell whether it's simply a DNS delay - just longer than I'm used to, or 
> some other problem.
> 
> So could a few of you let me know whether or not you can reach 
> http://www.melaniechmielewska.co.uk
> (and if you can see it, any other comments are welcome; note the gallery 
> and corbel photos are incomplete, but they will be there tomorrow ....)
> 
> And, to be slightly more general - anyone know of a service / website 
> that will let you check DNS name visibility in a number of locations 
> around the web ?  I tried the one at 
> http://www.mob.net/~ted/tools/dns.php3 but wasn't convinced it is very 
> authoritative.
> 
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
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Brigham Young University



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 14 18:25:29 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <185594.83348.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Visible here.

--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 5:17 PM


Off-topic - but I could do with a favour.

I'm helping a friend develop a new web site, and although I created it a couple of days ago, it (apparently) isn't yet visible to her. I can't tell whether it's simply a DNS delay - just longer than I'm used to, or some other problem.

So could a few of you let me know whether or not you can reach http://www.melaniechmielewska.co.uk
(and if you can see it, any other comments are welcome; note the gallery and corbel photos are incomplete, but they will be there tomorrow ....)

And, to be slightly more general - anyone know of a service / website that will let you check DNS name visibility in a number of locations around the web ?? I tried the one at http://www.mob.net/~ted/tools/dns.php3 but wasn't convinced it is very authoritative.

Thanks
-- Alex.
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Sep 14 18:25:24 2010
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:25:24 +0100
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <04007E93-8FDB-41A4-925B-774BA68C4B68@lacscentre.co.uk>

Hi Alex

I can see it here. (DNS through OpenDNS)

Dave


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Sep 14 18:28:53 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:28:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <059B4440-F787-4A6E-BD95-1F85BF824AE7@free.fr>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<059B4440-F787-4A6E-BD95-1F85BF824AE7@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1284503333534-2539738.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Phil,

Try this is the message box.

put shell("systeminfo")

Part of the retuned info will include

System Type: X86-based PC

So.....

x86-based PC: It?s a 32-bit computer.
x64-based PC: It?s a 64-bit computer.

On Win7

If you have a 64 bit version of Win7 you will have these two folders


System32  	    C:\Windows\System32  	Windows System folder (system
directory) for 64-bit files
SysWOW64     C:\Windows\SysWOW64 	Windows System folder (system directory)
for 32-bit files

Hope this helps

Andy Piddock


-----
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep 14 18:33:41 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:33:41 +1000
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <104662885312.20100914083548@ahsoftware.net>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
	<104662885312.20100914083548@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <D582EBD8-13F4-4DA9-8E52-31CAB09BAE30@sweattechnologies.com>


> It's pretty dismal, but it exists. And I just logged in to make sure.
> Your login info for the forum is the same as your cpanel login info.
> 
cpanel login fails for me and they have a register page and it sends me emails saying that someone in scotland needs to approve me and that's it.. dead end. Stuff it. I'll just ask questions here. 

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Sep 14 19:05:26 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1284505526596-2539772.post@n4.nabble.com>


Thanks to everyone for their suggestions! Although Jacquline's suggestion may
be the easiest to implement, I am going to try each suggestion to see which
works best for me. Thanks everybody!
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 14 19:28:42 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:28:42 -0700
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <0691258656.20100914162842@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Visible here (dns through the public 4.2.2.1)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 14 20:37:43 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:37:43 -0600
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>


On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

>  Does anyone have a clear-cut way for Rev to know whether it's  
> running in a 32-bit or a 64-bit environment on Windows?



Hardware CPU:

Under...

HKLM\HARDWARE\DESCRIPTION\System\CentralProcessor\0

...find...

Identifier     REG_SZ

If 64 is in the value, the hardware is 64.  If x86 is, you don't know

ProcessorStringName

If 64 is in the name, the hardware is 64.  Otherwise, you don't know.


OS:

You can check the environment variable PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE.

If 64 in the value, then you seem to be running a 64-bit Rev on a 64- 
bit system.

Otherwise look at environment variable PROCESSOR_ARCHITEW6432.  If 64  
is in the value, you are running on a 64-bit OS.  If it is x86, then  
you are running a 32-bit OS.

You can also look for a folder normally only found in the 64-bit OS,  
such as "\\program files (x86)".  If it is there, the OS is very  
likely 64.  If it is missing, the OS is very likely 32-bit.  I don't  
know if reinstalling over another OS will affect this.

If the OS is 64, then the hardware is.


Dar




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 14 20:55:28 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:55:28 -0700
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <79696466078.20100914175528@ahsoftware.net>

DAR!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhj at jhj.com  Tue Sep 14 21:13:44 2010
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:13:44 -0700
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <595B7B25-0FCB-48A6-AF33-5CFC27AF071B@jhj.com>

On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Otherwise, you don't know.

Hey Dar, its about time for another food fight!

-- Jerry Jensen



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 14 21:32:14 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:32:14 -0500
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C8FB609.4040805@gmail.com>
References: <20100914123806.038A1288335@mail.runrev.com>	<C3369D87-70AA-4CF2-BCF9-F766E66E38F7@netrin.com>
	<4C8FB609.4040805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C90221E.5080501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/14/10 12:51 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Every single other product (including RunRev) has the boringly predictable
> hoodies, tee-shirts and coffee mugs: Come on, I want to wear a RunRev
> kilt! And I can just see Jacque sporting a frock in RunRev watered silk!

I haven't worn a frock for years. But maybe this is what you had in mind:

<http://jacque.on-rev.com/extras/rrnewprod.jpg>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 14 21:34:23 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:34:23 -0500
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4C90229F.4010308@hyperactivesw.com>

DAR! Where ya been?? Wow.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 14 22:06:00 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:06:00 -0600
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <79696466078.20100914175528@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
	<79696466078.20100914175528@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D884B84-87CD-4978-A89D-C44AA0FF687F@swcp.com>


On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> DAR!

Yeah!


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 14 22:07:30 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:07:30 -0600
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <595B7B25-0FCB-48A6-AF33-5CFC27AF071B@jhj.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
	<595B7B25-0FCB-48A6-AF33-5CFC27AF071B@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <84BBA5B0-C5A9-4775-8EFD-0DCD666881A5@swcp.com>


On Sep 14, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jerry J wrote:

> Hey Dar, its about time for another food fight!

Good idea!  I'm still slow after a four year coma, though.

Dar


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 14 22:09:39 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:09:39 -0600
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <4C90229F.4010308@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
	<4C90229F.4010308@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1693F10B-C3F4-4693-8A52-97F88F057F0F@swcp.com>


On Sep 14, 2010, at 7:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> DAR! Where ya been?? Wow.

I got out early!

Dar


From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Sep 15 00:04:18 2010
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:04:18 -0700
Subject: Doesn't work: set the top of img "MyImage" of stack pStackName to 0
Message-ID: <DD63FFCFE2A54866BEDE8D7A94490773@stuart>

on Sun Sep 12 19:39:09 CDT 2010, Mark Stuart wrote:

Never mind, I got it to work.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart



From katir at hindu.org  Wed Sep 15 00:06:24 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:06:24 -1000
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <4C8F0303.9060105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C8F0303.9060105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C904640.6070108@hindu.org>

  On 9/13/10 7:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> You can add a two-line label if you do it by script:
>
>   set the label of btn 1 to "line one" &cr& "line 2"
>
> Would that help? 

I'm sure it would...I could have sworn I tried that and it did not work 
but today it does. Again, we have the old problem of not being able to 
easily tweak the look and feel.. the check box is aligned horizontally 
on center between the two lines.

There is no way that I have found to change the label align of the 2 
line label in relation to the check box...is there a way?





From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep 15 00:59:47 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:59:47 -0700
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <1284503333534-2539738.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>	<059B4440-F787-4A6E-BD95-1F85BF824AE7@free.fr>
	<1284503333534-2539738.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4C9052C3.4060908@pdslabs.net>

  Thanks Andy.


On 9/14/10 3:28 PM, AndyP wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Try this is the message box.
>
> put shell("systeminfo")
>
> Part of the retuned info will include
>
> System Type: X86-based PC
>
> So.....
>
> x86-based PC: It?s a 32-bit computer.
> x64-based PC: It?s a 64-bit computer.
>
> On Win7
>
> If you have a 64 bit version of Win7 you will have these two folders
>
>
> System32  	    C:\Windows\System32  	Windows System folder (system
> directory) for 64-bit files
> SysWOW64     C:\Windows\SysWOW64 	Windows System folder (system directory)
> for 32-bit files
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> -----
> Andy Piddock

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 15 01:16:29 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:16:29 -0500
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <4C904640.6070108@hindu.org>
References: <1284427507291-2538305.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C8F0303.9060105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C904640.6070108@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4C9056AD.2090704@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/14/10 11:06 PM, Web Admin Himalayan Academy wrote:
> On 9/13/10 7:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> You can add a two-line label if you do it by script:
>>
>> set the label of btn 1 to "line one" &cr& "line 2"
>>
>> Would that help?
>
> I'm sure it would...I could have sworn I tried that and it did not work
> but today it does. Again, we have the old problem of not being able to
> easily tweak the look and feel.. the check box is aligned horizontally
> on center between the two lines.
>
> There is no way that I have found to change the label align of the 2
> line label in relation to the check box...is there a way?

No, not that I know of. I was going to mention that using this trick 
pretty much breaks the HIG on every platform. :( If you want it to look 
right you have to go back to the field and button combo -- which might 
be why you forgot about this trick in the first place, because it looks 
weird.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 15 01:18:23 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:18:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
Message-ID: <674752.39021.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Web Admin Himalayan Academy <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>? On 9/13/10 7:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> > You can add a two-line label if you do it by script:
> > 
> >???set the label of btn 1 to "line one"
> &cr& "line 2"
> > 
> > Would that help? 
> 
> I'm sure it would...I could have sworn I tried that and it
> did not work but today it does. Again, we have the old
> problem of not being able to easily tweak the look and
> feel.. the check box is aligned horizontally on center
> between the two lines.
> 
> There is no way that I have found to change the label align
> of the 2 line label in relation to the check box...is there
> a way?
> 

The checkbox is always painted near the vertical middle of the button. You can always tweak the margins property o the button to move down the label so the first line matches the checkbox, but then you end up with a large button with loads of whitespace above that the user can still click on.
But then you can group the button to cut off the extraneous part at the top: group the button, set the group margins to 0, set its locklocation to true and then resize it to the actual top. Works great here.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep 15 02:16:42 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:16:42 -0700
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4C9064CA.1040302@pdslabs.net>

  You give the most complete answers! Thanks Dar. You've been missed in these parts!

Phil


On 9/14/10 5:37 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>>  Does anyone have a clear-cut way for Rev to know whether it's running in a 
>> 32-bit or a 64-bit environment on Windows?
>
>
>
> Hardware CPU:
>
> Under...
>
> HKLM\HARDWARE\DESCRIPTION\System\CentralProcessor\0
>
> ...find...
>
> Identifier     REG_SZ
>
> If 64 is in the value, the hardware is 64.  If x86 is, you don't know
>
> ProcessorStringName
>
> If 64 is in the name, the hardware is 64.  Otherwise, you don't know.
>
>
> OS:
>
> You can check the environment variable PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE.
>
> If 64 in the value, then you seem to be running a 64-bit Rev on a 64-bit system.
>
> Otherwise look at environment variable PROCESSOR_ARCHITEW6432.  If 64 is in 
> the value, you are running on a 64-bit OS.  If it is x86, then you are running 
> a 32-bit OS.
>
> You can also look for a folder normally only found in the 64-bit OS, such as 
> "\\program files (x86)".  If it is there, the OS is very likely 64.  If it is 
> missing, the OS is very likely 32-bit.  I don't know if reinstalling over 
> another OS will affect this.
>
> If the OS is 64, then the hardware is.
>
>
> Dar
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 04:15:33 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:15:33 +0300
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C90221E.5080501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100914123806.038A1288335@mail.runrev.com>	<C3369D87-70AA-4CF2-BCF9-F766E66E38F7@netrin.com>	<4C8FB609.4040805@gmail.com>
	<4C90221E.5080501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C9080A5.3000209@gmail.com>

  On 09/15/2010 04:32 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 9/14/10 12:51 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Every single other product (including RunRev) has the boringly 
>> predictable
>> hoodies, tee-shirts and coffee mugs: Come on, I want to wear a RunRev
>> kilt! And I can just see Jacque sporting a frock in RunRev watered silk!
>
> I haven't worn a frock for years. But maybe this is what you had in mind:
>
> <http://jacque.on-rev.com/extras/rrnewprod.jpg>
>

"frocking" hilarious! LOL


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 15 05:31:06 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 02:31:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1284543066077-2540224.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Alex,

I can see the page.

I'ts going to be a DNS propagation delay...more info below:

To speed up the internet, Internet Server Provider (ISP) caches their DNS
records. They create their own copy of the master record, and access it
locally to search for website, each time someone tries to view it.  This
procedure speeds up the internet, reduces the traffic and thus help ISP work
faster.

Each ISP caches DNS record and update it every few days. Each ISP have there
own standard time frame to update the cache DNS record. This delay from your
ISP will prevent you from viewing your website. This process is know as DNS
propagation delay. 

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From rman at free.fr  Wed Sep 15 06:32:58 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: on-rev forum
In-Reply-To: <D582EBD8-13F4-4DA9-8E52-31CAB09BAE30@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <0C108E96-8C4F-468C-ABFA-8013707A02C0@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4C8F8FA0.9070903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C8F9032.8080602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<07294EC4-0BBC-4743-B3D4-551367E53878@byu.edu>
	<104662885312.20100914083548@ahsoftware.net>
	<D582EBD8-13F4-4DA9-8E52-31CAB09BAE30@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <1284546778863-2540291.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi if you do ask on-rev related questions here, may I suggest you (we) use
[on-rev] tag at the beginning of the subject so that we can all easily
identify all "on-rev" related queries at a later stage!? Robert

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From rman at free.fr  Wed Sep 15 06:42:42 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] revtalk.net
Message-ID: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>


I got this domain name last year and will not make any use of it. So i
wondered what could be done with it?? Any idea? 

?? if runrev wants it.. i'll gladly transfer to them.. 
?? but could also be an opportunity to have a kind of common place, site..
of a kind one does not know yet, sand box where various people could try out
different approaches to better share experiences & knowledge.. !!?? 
?? could runrev provide a free common on-rev space, where a bunch of
volunteers could put up some perhaps more innovative collaborative tools??
Concentrate ressources (like the tentative to gather all plugins on a site,
the revPlanets etc : each of these ressources would gain from being
assembled, feeding a single rss feed) and provide a revServer kind of
showroom ??

well food for thoughts... 

 

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From tim.lambert at addat.com  Wed Sep 15 06:56:16 2010
From: tim.lambert at addat.com (Tim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:56:16 +1000
Subject: Getting started with databases
Message-ID: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>

Hello
I am a long time user of Rev but have always developed databases with FMPro advanced. Time to try to make the move to Rev. 
With big amounts of data and lots of tables joining etc, it all looks pretty arcane to me.

Can anyone recommend any aids memoire  or templates or anything to help a database slow-coach along?

TIA

Tim



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Sep 15 07:01:57 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:01:57 +0200
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
Message-ID: <DCED78A4-54CF-4711-B673-2CDFCD1A305A@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Tim,

> Hello
> I am a long time user of Rev but have always developed databases with FMPro advanced. Time to try to make the move to Rev. 
> With big amounts of data and lots of tables joining etc, it all looks pretty arcane to me.
> 
> Can anyone recommend any aids memoire  or templates or anything to help a database slow-coach along?

first of all: Leanr and get used to SQL!

Here is a good start, if you not already know SQL:
<http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp>

At least this one got me started with SQL :-)

> TIA
> 
> Tim

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep 15 07:27:28 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:27:28 +1000
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
Message-ID: <07FBBA7B-9933-45DC-841A-CD3928C00833@sweattechnologies.com>

> 
> I am a long time user of Rev but have always developed databases with FMPro advanced. Time to try to make the move to Rev. 
> With big amounts of data and lots of tables joining etc, it all looks pretty arcane to me.
> 
> Can anyone recommend any aids memoire  or templates or anything to help a database slow-coach along?

Hi Tim

Good schema design is very important and I find MySQL Workbench a great cross platform tool for data modelling.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 08:09:30 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:09:30 +0100
Subject: [OT] revtalk.net
In-Reply-To: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin98erS7Tv6A+WdKdrrVmCiOU5QBzpki3=ecm9o@mail.gmail.com>

Hee, hee - and I've got revtalk.org - was for a community owned project.
Lets see in RunRev get hold of any of the "live" domains - but I'd be up for
pooling these and taking forwards the community owned independent open
source project...


On 15 September 2010 11:42, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:

>
> I got this domain name last year and will not make any use of it. So i
> wondered what could be done with it?? Any idea?
>
> ?? if runrev wants it.. i'll gladly transfer to them..
> ?? but could also be an opportunity to have a kind of common place, site..
> of a kind one does not know yet, sand box where various people could try
> out
> different approaches to better share experiences & knowledge.. !!??
> ?? could runrev provide a free common on-rev space, where a bunch of
> volunteers could put up some perhaps more innovative collaborative tools??
> Concentrate ressources (like the tentative to gather all plugins on a site,
> the revPlanets etc : each of these ressources would gain from being
> assembled, feeding a single rss feed) and provide a revServer kind of
> showroom ??
>
> well food for thoughts...
>

This has come up time and time again over the last 10 years, but RunRev have
yet to understand how to capitalise on this desire on behalf of the
community. They keep taking it "in-house" spending money on it and getting
very poor results - as can be seen by the user contributed notes, or the
various forums scattered around the place.


From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 08:31:27 2010
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:31:27 +0200
Subject: using datagrid with revmobile
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=9pmEtEFM5rtajS7v_TgSv96Jcryu3vJm6j3FB@mail.gmail.com>

 I have few questions about using datagrid in mobile applications...

In an application for iPhone,  can I place a datagrid object ?

Datagrid objects work fine in mobile applications created by the present
RevMobile plugin?

What about next release of the RevMobile plugin?

Thanks a lot

Paolo


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 08:09:30 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:09:30 +0100
Subject: [OT] revtalk.net
In-Reply-To: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin98erS7Tv6A+WdKdrrVmCiOU5QBzpki3=ecm9o@mail.gmail.com>

Hee, hee - and I've got revtalk.org - was for a community owned project.
Lets see in RunRev get hold of any of the "live" domains - but I'd be up for
pooling these and taking forwards the community owned independent open
source project...


On 15 September 2010 11:42, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:

>
> I got this domain name last year and will not make any use of it. So i
> wondered what could be done with it?? Any idea?
>
> ?? if runrev wants it.. i'll gladly transfer to them..
> ?? but could also be an opportunity to have a kind of common place, site..
> of a kind one does not know yet, sand box where various people could try
> out
> different approaches to better share experiences & knowledge.. !!??
> ?? could runrev provide a free common on-rev space, where a bunch of
> volunteers could put up some perhaps more innovative collaborative tools??
> Concentrate ressources (like the tentative to gather all plugins on a site,
> the revPlanets etc : each of these ressources would gain from being
> assembled, feeding a single rss feed) and provide a revServer kind of
> showroom ??
>
> well food for thoughts...
>

This has come up time and time again over the last 10 years, but RunRev have
yet to understand how to capitalise on this desire on behalf of the
community. They keep taking it "in-house" spending money on it and getting
very poor results - as can be seen by the user contributed notes, or the
various forums scattered around the place.


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 15 09:08:39 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:08:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
Message-ID: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>


Sorry to bring this up but I think it needs discussing.

I've noticed that Real Basic are about to launch a web edition.
Went to their site expecting a web plugin requirement and found this:

'REAL Studio Web Edition apps run as a FastCGI on Apache.' !

http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ 

No plugin so works on most default Apache set ups. As it's a cgi it will
work on Ipad, Iphone and most browsers.

Now I'm not a Real Basic fan but have to say that having the web version to
output FastCGI is pretty neat.

Surely this is a better way for RunRev to go for the web and avoid plugins
altogether. Wouldn't this open up the uses and market for RunRev?

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 09:45:00 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:45:00 +0100
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 September 2010 14:08, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> I've noticed that Real Basic are about to launch a web edition.
> Went to their site expecting a web plugin requirement and found this:
>
> 'REAL Studio Web Edition apps run as a FastCGI on Apache.' !
>
> http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ http://www.realsoftware.com/web/
>
> No plugin so works on most default Apache set ups. As it's a cgi it will
> work on Ipad, Iphone and most browsers.
>
> Now I'm not a Real Basic fan but have to say that having the web version to
> output FastCGI is pretty neat.
>
> Surely this is a better way for RunRev to go for the web and avoid plugins
> altogether. Wouldn't this open up the uses and market for RunRev?
>

Yes - I'd have to agree with you. Luckily we can get the same experience by
working with Revolution and Rodeo <http://rodeoapps.com/>. RunRev should
never have put development effort into a plugin, it was always more sensible
to develop integrated revServer / JavaScript solutions, but this is not a
solution that RunRev with it's focus on the engine fully appreciated - I've
never felt they got the web. Of course some people love the plugin, it makes
me smile too, and only the future will truly tell - in 2 years time will we
be looking at a rich range of web apps using JavaScript, HTML / HTML5 as
their front ends or will lots of us be using a web plugin?


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 09:48:24 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:48:24 -0300
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html

o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.

-- 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 15 09:52:17 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:52:17 -0700
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
Message-ID: <4C90CF91.8020302@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> On 15 September 2010 14:08, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that Real Basic are about to launch a web edition.
>> Went to their site expecting a web plugin requirement and found this:
>>
>> 'REAL Studio Web Edition apps run as a FastCGI on Apache.' !
>>
>> http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ http://www.realsoftware.com/web/
>>
>> No plugin so works on most default Apache set ups. As it's a cgi it will
>> work on Ipad, Iphone and most browsers.
>>
>> Now I'm not a Real Basic fan but have to say that having the web version to
>> output FastCGI is pretty neat.
>>
>> Surely this is a better way for RunRev to go for the web and avoid plugins
>> altogether. Wouldn't this open up the uses and market for RunRev?
>
> Yes - I'd have to agree with you. Luckily we can get the same experience by
> working with Revolution and Rodeo <http://rodeoapps.com/>. RunRev should
> never have put development effort into a plugin, it was always more sensible
> to develop integrated revServer / JavaScript solutions, but this is not a
> solution that RunRev with it's focus on the engine fully appreciated - I've
> never felt they got the web. Of course some people love the plugin, it makes
> me smile too, and only the future will truly tell - in 2 years time will we
> be looking at a rich range of web apps using JavaScript, HTML / HTML5 as
> their front ends or will lots of us be using a web plugin?

Jun 27, 2006:

     So in brief, if ToolBook could do this almost a decade ago I see
     no reason why Rev couldn't also:

     1. Identify a subset of things that would be useful in a browser.

     2. Make a Rev library with handlers to support those tasks.

     3. Make a JavaScript library with corresponding handlers to get
        those behaviors in a browser.

     4. Author in Rev, have a library generate the objects as DHTML
        snippets in a web page, reference the JavaScript lib,
        and upload.

     5. Give the URL to your friends and enjoy. :)


     Oh, and I forgot Step 0 (before 1):

     0. Get some of the open source advocates here to do #1, 2, and 3.

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>

--
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  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 09:53:22 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:53:22 -0300
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikemwzFEnhmJ2arf6uKdkGr3Ya8TOCZ1pvisR4W@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

This is beautiful but deploying FastCGI is not that trivial. Recovery must
play a big part on the backend since the FastCGI stays resident (it should)
in memory.

This could be replicated in Rev, pure RevTalk right now. It would not be
100% safe since we have a blocking engine but we could always use a monitor
process to detect lock up and kill it. I think it was 2006 or something,
that I was talking with Mark Wieder about how one should go to implement
that exact solution.

It can be done, heck, I am not the best programmer out there and I've
implemented FastCGI on Revolution 2.x and it actually worked. Now, you guys
got me hooked, I will write a big followup now not to hijack this thread.

Andre

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> On 15 September 2010 14:08, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I've noticed that Real Basic are about to launch a web edition.
> > Went to their site expecting a web plugin requirement and found this:
> >
> > 'REAL Studio Web Edition apps run as a FastCGI on Apache.' !
> >
> > http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ http://www.realsoftware.com/web/
> >
> > No plugin so works on most default Apache set ups. As it's a cgi it will
> > work on Ipad, Iphone and most browsers.
> >
> > Now I'm not a Real Basic fan but have to say that having the web version
> to
> > output FastCGI is pretty neat.
> >
> > Surely this is a better way for RunRev to go for the web and avoid
> plugins
> > altogether. Wouldn't this open up the uses and market for RunRev?
> >
>
> Yes - I'd have to agree with you. Luckily we can get the same experience by
> working with Revolution and Rodeo <http://rodeoapps.com/>. RunRev should
> never have put development effort into a plugin, it was always more
> sensible
> to develop integrated revServer / JavaScript solutions, but this is not a
> solution that RunRev with it's focus on the engine fully appreciated - I've
> never felt they got the web. Of course some people love the plugin, it
> makes
> me smile too, and only the future will truly tell - in 2 years time will we
> be looking at a rich range of web apps using JavaScript, HTML / HTML5 as
> their front ends or will lots of us be using a web plugin?
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 09:55:17 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:55:17 +0100
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <4C90CF91.8020302@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C90CF91.8020302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinS6UQzGivjKb=8RoQ_YF=uHhP3isFS4OZr0Ctc@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 September 2010 14:52, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

>
> Jun 27, 2006:
>
>    So in brief, if ToolBook could do this almost a decade ago I see
>    no reason why Rev couldn't also:
>
>    1. Identify a subset of things that would be useful in a browser.
>
>    2. Make a Rev library with handlers to support those tasks.
>
>    3. Make a JavaScript library with corresponding handlers to get
>       those behaviors in a browser.
>
>    4. Author in Rev, have a library generate the objects as DHTML
>       snippets in a web page, reference the JavaScript lib,
>       and upload.
>
>    5. Give the URL to your friends and enjoy. :)
>
>
>    Oh, and I forgot Step 0 (before 1):
>
>    0. Get some of the open source advocates here to do #1, 2, and 3.
>
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>
>

Exactly, which is part of what would make a good open source / open content
strategy for RunRev. But they get community development strategy even less
than they get the web :(


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 09:55:35 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:55:35 -0300
Subject: [OT] revtalk.net
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin98erS7Tv6A+WdKdrrVmCiOU5QBzpki3=ecm9o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTin98erS7Tv6A+WdKdrrVmCiOU5QBzpki3=ecm9o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RR26a7-iP5AwPbwe0+3=wqVjSDRO=3jaQBmqp@mail.gmail.com>

I have revwebhost.com  :-)

(now that was me being psychic, I registered that before the announcement of
RevWeb and On-Rev)

As for revPlanets... I have wecode.org/planet that tracks Revolution
keywords on twitter and also some interesting blog feeds.

:D

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> Hee, hee - and I've got revtalk.org - was for a community owned project.
> Lets see in RunRev get hold of any of the "live" domains - but I'd be up
> for
> pooling these and taking forwards the community owned independent open
> source project...
>
>
> On 15 September 2010 11:42, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:
>
> >
> > I got this domain name last year and will not make any use of it. So i
> > wondered what could be done with it?? Any idea?
> >
> > ?? if runrev wants it.. i'll gladly transfer to them..
> > ?? but could also be an opportunity to have a kind of common place,
> site..
> > of a kind one does not know yet, sand box where various people could try
> > out
> > different approaches to better share experiences & knowledge.. !!??
> > ?? could runrev provide a free common on-rev space, where a bunch of
> > volunteers could put up some perhaps more innovative collaborative
> tools??
> > Concentrate ressources (like the tentative to gather all plugins on a
> site,
> > the revPlanets etc : each of these ressources would gain from being
> > assembled, feeding a single rss feed) and provide a revServer kind of
> > showroom ??
> >
> > well food for thoughts...
> >
>
> This has come up time and time again over the last 10 years, but RunRev
> have
> yet to understand how to capitalise on this desire on behalf of the
> community. They keep taking it "in-house" spending money on it and getting
> very poor results - as can be seen by the user contributed notes, or the
> various forums scattered around the place.
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 10:00:31 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:00:31 +0100
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikemwzFEnhmJ2arf6uKdkGr3Ya8TOCZ1pvisR4W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikemwzFEnhmJ2arf6uKdkGr3Ya8TOCZ1pvisR4W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=3cyOSO9WTL1afx15-9wSjdL3UOeUMnCZuDdxo@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 September 2010 14:53, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:,

>
> This is beautiful but deploying FastCGI is not that trivial. Recovery must
> play a big part on the backend since the FastCGI stays resident (it should)
> in memory.
>
> This could be replicated in Rev, pure RevTalk right now. It would not be
> 100% safe since we have a blocking engine but we could always use a monitor
> process to detect lock up and kill it. I think it was 2006 or something,
> that I was talking with Mark Wieder about how one should go to implement
> that exact solution.
>
> It can be done, heck, I am not the best programmer out there and I've
> implemented FastCGI on Revolution 2.x and it actually worked. Now, you guys
> got me hooked, I will write a big followup now not to hijack this thread.
>

RevServer is plenty to build on, the missing work is the job of polishing
off this infrastructure with integrating the rev IDE and the main JavaScript
libraries - the sensible way of doing this at low cost, is as Richard
outlined to use community development strategies to support open script
library / widget development.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:04:22 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:04:22 +0300
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C90D266.5070705@gmail.com>

  On 09/15/2010 04:45 PM, David Bovill wrote:
> On 15 September 2010 14:08, AndyP<smudge.andy at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that Real Basic are about to launch a web edition.
>> Went to their site expecting a web plugin requirement and found this:
>>
>> 'REAL Studio Web Edition apps run as a FastCGI on Apache.' !
>>
>> http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ http://www.realsoftware.com/web/
>>
>> No plugin so works on most default Apache set ups. As it's a cgi it will
>> work on Ipad, Iphone and most browsers.
>>
>> Now I'm not a Real Basic fan but have to say that having the web version to
>> output FastCGI is pretty neat.
>>
>> Surely this is a better way for RunRev to go for the web and avoid plugins
>> altogether. Wouldn't this open up the uses and market for RunRev?
>>
> Yes - I'd have to agree with you. Luckily we can get the same experience by
> working with Revolution and Rodeo<http://rodeoapps.com/>. RunRev should
> never

'never' is a rather strong word. It is entirely possible that the brainy 
computery types
feel that way, but we workers down on the floor underneath the 
leaf-mould really do
think the plugin is a good thing as it is relatively easy to move 
directly from a stack to
something that is web-browser-deliverable with a minimum of pain.

> have put development effort into a plugin, it was always more sensible
> to develop integrated revServer / JavaScript solutions, but this is not a
> solution that RunRev with it's focus on the engine fully appreciated - I've
> never felt they got the web. Of course some people love the plugin, it makes
> me smile too,

What? condescendingly . . . or lovingly: I hope it is the latter . . .  :)

>   and only the future will truly tell

Yes, indeed it will; both Thee and Me will be outdated, outmoded and 
out-manouevred before
we even realise what has happened to us; that is why I feel pretty 
uncomfortable about using words
such as 'never'.

>   - in 2 years time will we
> be looking at a rich range of web apps using JavaScript, HTML / HTML5 as
> their front ends or will lots of us be using a web plugin?
> _______________________________________________
>

Maybe none of these things, but something quite unpredictable.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 10:06:25 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:06:25 +0100
Subject: [OT] revtalk.net
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=RR26a7-iP5AwPbwe0+3=wqVjSDRO=3jaQBmqp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284547362368-2540296.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTin98erS7Tv6A+WdKdrrVmCiOU5QBzpki3=ecm9o@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=RR26a7-iP5AwPbwe0+3=wqVjSDRO=3jaQBmqp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JT6xfpqYdbVg_VPTQDg6ix6NfqZ_M6AyxeOgR@mail.gmail.com>

And I have www.rev-co.de, which had full Trac, bugzilla integrated hosting,
Rev IDE integration, and email list integration. Then there have been scores
of other efforts - conclusion? Without a proper community / open source
strategy from RunRev - these efforts are unlikely to get off the ground let
alone succeed long term.

On 15 September 2010 14:55, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> I have revwebhost.com  :-)
>
> (now that was me being psychic, I registered that before the announcement
> of
> RevWeb and On-Rev)
>
> As for revPlanets... I have wecode.org/planet that tracks Revolution
> keywords on twitter and also some interesting blog feeds
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:09:45 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:09:45 +0300
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <4C90CF91.8020302@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C90CF91.8020302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4C90D3A9.3060509@gmail.com>

  On 09/15/2010 04:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> David Bovill wrote:
>
>> On 15 September 2010 14:08, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've noticed that Real Basic are about to launch a web edition.
>>> Went to their site expecting a web plugin requirement and found this:
>>>
>>> 'REAL Studio Web Edition apps run as a FastCGI on Apache.' !
>>>
>>> http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ http://www.realsoftware.com/web/
>>>
>>> No plugin so works on most default Apache set ups. As it's a cgi it 
>>> will
>>> work on Ipad, Iphone and most browsers.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not a Real Basic fan but have to say that having the web 
>>> version to
>>> output FastCGI is pretty neat.
>>>
>>> Surely this is a better way for RunRev to go for the web and avoid 
>>> plugins
>>> altogether. Wouldn't this open up the uses and market for RunRev?
>>
>> Yes - I'd have to agree with you. Luckily we can get the same 
>> experience by
>> working with Revolution and Rodeo <http://rodeoapps.com/>. RunRev should
>> never have put development effort into a plugin, it was always more 
>> sensible
>> to develop integrated revServer / JavaScript solutions, but this is 
>> not a
>> solution that RunRev with it's focus on the engine fully appreciated 
>> - I've
>> never felt they got the web. Of course some people love the plugin, 
>> it makes
>> me smile too, and only the future will truly tell - in 2 years time 
>> will we
>> be looking at a rich range of web apps using JavaScript, HTML / HTML5 as
>> their front ends or will lots of us be using a web plugin?
>
> Jun 27, 2006:
>
>     So in brief, if ToolBook could do this almost a decade ago I see
>     no reason why Rev couldn't also:
>
>     1. Identify a subset of things that would be useful in a browser.
>
>     2. Make a Rev library with handlers to support those tasks.
>
>     3. Make a JavaScript library with corresponding handlers to get
>        those behaviors in a browser.
>
>     4. Author in Rev, have a library generate the objects as DHTML
>        snippets in a web page, reference the JavaScript lib,
>        and upload.
>
>     5. Give the URL to your friends and enjoy. :)
>
>
>     Oh, and I forgot Step 0 (before 1):
>
>     0. Get some of the open source advocates here to do #1, 2, and 3.
>
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>
>

Oh, Gosh, its that time of the year again; when we dig out our old 
hobby-horses and reiterate them again, again,
again . . . anybody remember my Agent-led interface prototype for 
developing RunRev stacks by teachers?????

If 10% of the ideas that have been batted around on this Use-List over 
the last 10 years had actually got further
than somebody's PC we WOULD be living in a different world to what we do.

Sadly, there is the "bread and curd" problem (remember; no s*x, 
r*l*g**n, m*n*y or ch**s*), and we all have to
fill our bellies.


From mikekann at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 15 10:24:28 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Andre,

Thanks for the heads up.

Mike

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 8:48 AM

Folks,

http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html

o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.

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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 10:31:27 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:31:27 -0300
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
Message-ID: <AANLkTinAV04gKqppRaNVD+Wm=qWXj+kBHVqxvvGZH5gZ@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

This is me revealing me some secret ideas I had in the last few years. I
kept this somewhat secret for many years because I wanted to implement it
but I came to the realization that I don't have the time to do it alone and
that is the exact kind of project that benefits from a FOSS initiative.

The project is to build a suite of tools to run inside Revolution IDE to
allow conversion of Stacks into a web scaffold that can be further tailored
and tweeked for deployment as web apps.

as Jerry, Sarah and Mary demonstrated it is possible to process a stack and
convert it to some other format. David Simpson also has conversion tools
built that can convert php and basic back to Rev and even more. All this
done with small teams. What a big team such as our community could build?
(<-- rethorical question)

I remember talking with Mark Wieder and Richard Gaskin during a conference
in Monterey, I think I have found the pathway that would enable us some
quick conversion from Rev to the Web. The trick is not to try to convert a
common Rev stack, if you try to convert all kinds of Rev controls and stuff,
you end up basically reimplementing the engine, this is kinda hard. What we
need to leverage is not Rev engine and controls but Rev IDE using the tools
we like but not the standard Rev language and controls. I will detail below
the tools I think are needed:

TWO ENVIRONMENT FRAMES
First of all to understand this you need to understand an important concept.
For this system to work, there will be two different environment frames
running. One is the Rev IDE and Engine process which understands RevTalk and
is our development tool. The other is a background webserver that is the
target of our development tools and does not understand RevTalk but
Javascript. Actions on the development environment do not work directly on
the stuff we're developing but instead talk to the backend server that will
follow the orders.

WEB RUNNER CANVAS
Instead of creating stacks with all their complexity, we would create
something else that in the screen would appear like a stack, a floating
window for the user to drop and arrange controls. What would be running in
fact is a Rev coupled web server not unlike Ruby Web brick. This server
would be running in the background and we would be seeing its output on this
window inside the IDE. I have a Rev WebServer external ready for this
project. Thats the second environment frame that I've mentioned above. It
understands only Javascript.

WEB SAFE TOOLS PALETTE & INSPECTOR
Replacing the tools palette with a Web tailored one with tools that we've
scripted ourselves. They can mimic standard Revolution tools such as buttons
and fields but they are not in fact creating Revolution buttons and fields
but our own controls. We would also create our own inspector for setting
properties of our own self made controls.

When we drag a control to the WEB RUNNER CANVAS, we don't actually do
anything but talk to the underlining WEB SERVER saying we dropped such
control, the server then will instantiate the control a place it for us. So
in fact we're using Rev-like tools to talk to a web server that is building
javascript on the fly for us. When we drop a button on the web runner
screen, a POST call is made to the web server that picks this and creates a
button javascript object, this is transparent to the developer.

This way Rev becomes a HTML5/JS/CSS development tool. We don't have the
overhead of converting stacks to web because we're jumping that whole step
working directly with HTML5 and friends. This solves control placement and
interaction but does not solve script processing.

SCRIPT PROCESSING
We would define a subset of RevTalk and create direct conversions from
RevTalk to JS. As time went on we would implement more and more of RevTalk
but some minimal subset should be enough for a start. Javascript is a
wonderful language and converting scripts to it is the most safe option.
Running the frontend logic in something like FastCGI adds to much processing
to the server which adds to server load and to your costs.

The elegance of this approach is that we can begin with a fastCGI engine for
the script processing by directly executing RevTalk script on the FastCGI
process without translation, this way we could place all the other pieces
together before doing the RevTalk to JS work. By then we could simply put
our efforts on that translation.

We could build this and release under BSD license which would enable
business to use it in the commercial offerings and thus making it attractive
and incentive sponsorship. I would like to be paid to develop this free
solution but I think it is now time for us to work on this or risk being
left behind. This as it is defined needs no input whatsoever from the
mothership, it can all be done in Rev.

Any thoughts?





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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 15 10:39:28 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:39:28 -0700
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
Message-ID: <4C90DAA0.5090904@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> On 15 September 2010 14:52, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:
>>
>> Jun 27, 2006:
>>
>>    So in brief, if ToolBook could do this almost a decade ago I see
>>    no reason why Rev couldn't also:
>>
>>    1. Identify a subset of things that would be useful in a browser.
>>
>>    2. Make a Rev library with handlers to support those tasks.
>>
>>    3. Make a JavaScript library with corresponding handlers to get
>>       those behaviors in a browser.
>>
>>    4. Author in Rev, have a library generate the objects as DHTML
>>       snippets in a web page, reference the JavaScript lib,
>>       and upload.
>>
>>    5. Give the URL to your friends and enjoy. :)
>>
>>
>>    Oh, and I forgot Step 0 (before 1):
>>
>>    0. Get some of the open source advocates here to do #1, 2, and 3.
>>
>> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083955.html>
>
> Exactly, which is part of what would make a good open source / open content
> strategy for RunRev. But they get community development strategy even less
> than they get the web :(

There is nothing inherent in that proposal which requires waiting for 
anyone else to do anything.

Anyone who sees value in such an open source project can begin it at any 
time.

The engine is here, the web is here.  All that needs to happen now is 
for someone who wants this to roll up their sleeves and code it.

Like Richmond said, "If 10% of the ideas that have been batted around on 
this Use-List over the last 10 years had actually got further
than somebody's PC we WOULD be living in a different world to what we do."

I'll kick-start it:  if someone will take the lead on this, I'll donate 
the code to translate native Rev controls on a card to HTML 
representations.  I have chunks of it written for various projects now, 
so tidying those up and generalizing them will be a reasonably 
accomplishable task.

Who wants this enough to take the lead on the JavaScript library?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 10:41:18 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:41:18 -0300
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <4C90DAA0.5090904@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C90DAA0.5090904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2z2XXrqxjxm2Da59sgVjL54EzGGuqYp9FnxUz@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> I'll kick-start it:  if someone will take the lead on this, I'll donate the
> code to translate native Rev controls on a card to HTML representations.  I
> have chunks of it written for various projects now, so tidying those up and
> generalizing them will be a reasonably accomplishable task.
>
> Who wants this enough to take the lead on the JavaScript library?
>


Richard,

See my other thread, I think I am starting this...

:D


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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:49:18 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <4C90D3A9.3060509@gmail.com>
References: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C90CF91.8020302@fourthworld.com> <4C90D3A9.3060509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1284562158444-2540692.post@n4.nabble.com>


I think I should add that I have deployed a plugin based utility for in-house
production tracking and the experience was great. Job status is accessed via
the exe version at work stations and the web based plugin version out of
office...One code write, two usable platforms....Fantastic!

However.. my main role (in my paid job) is that of a web developer and the
general feedback from clients (we have a couple of hundred) is that they
would not be happy to augment the systems on their sites via the use of a
plugin. They want their clients to not notice the move from static site
pages to more data driven or dynamic areas.

So a solution that can be deployed an a standard server setup without having
to install extra and costly server addons from my point of view would be a
great step forward and would allo me to use my favorite dev tool Runrev much
more rather than PHP/MySql/Javascript which are my primary web dev tools.



-----
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 15 10:53:17 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:53:17 -0700
Subject: [OT] revtalk.net
Message-ID: <4C90DDDD.10307@fourthworld.com>

Robert Mann wrote:

> I got this domain name last year and will not make any use of it. So i
> wondered what could be done with it?? Any idea?
>
> ?? if runrev wants it.. i'll gladly transfer to them..
> ?? but could also be an opportunity to have a kind of common place, site..
> of a kind one does not know yet, sand box where various people could try out
> different approaches to better share experiences & knowledge.. !!??
> ?? could runrev provide a free common on-rev space, where a bunch of
> volunteers could put up some perhaps more innovative collaborative tools??
> Concentrate ressources (like the tentative to gather all plugins on a site,
> the revPlanets etc : each of these ressources would gain from being
> assembled, feeding a single rss feed) and provide a revServer kind of
> showroom ??
>
> well food for thoughts...

And a tasty meal it is.

I have a couple robots chewing away at the edges of part of that problem 
as I write this (more on that later), but since computers are too stupid 
to count past 1 we could use some human insight here.

RevNet (in Rev see Development->Plugins->GoRevNet) is a community-driven 
project designed to compliment RevJournal.com in providing tools and 
resources for the Rev community.

I have a rather significant overhaul in the works with RevNet, and 
central to that overhaul is an inherent extensibility and greater focus 
on tools.

So while I'm working on that I'd like to remind people of the mission of 
both RevNet and RevJournal.com:  of, for, and by Rev developers.

I'm very interested in exploring a wide range of ways we can make the 
most out of having a web site and stack venue bundled with the product 
to make working with Rev ever more powerful and liberating.

I've been discussing some collaborative work on RevNet with some others 
here, and always welcome more.

Please feel free to submit ideas for things you'd find useful both at a 
web site like RevJournal and in the IDE via RevNet.  If you have time 
and interest in helping to code some of those things so much the better.

Consider RevJournal and RevNet as extensions of this community - 
collaboration is very welcome.  Indeed, that's why they're here.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Sep 15 11:07:21 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:07:21 -0600
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
Message-ID: <715FB3B9-DD39-4DE8-8CF4-82ECBA4CB03E@byu.edu>


On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:56 AM, Tim Lambert wrote:

> Hello
> I am a long time user of Rev but have always developed databases with FMPro advanced. Time to try to make the move to Rev. 
> With big amounts of data and lots of tables joining etc, it all looks pretty arcane to me.
> 
> Can anyone recommend any aids memoire  or templates or anything to help a database slow-coach along?

Tim,

I created a series of lessons on databases in Rev for my students. You may find it helpful. Just go to http://revolution.byu.edu and click on the link "Introduction to Programming in Revolution". Then look for a section, near the bottom called "Database Access in Revolution".

Regards,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep 15 11:10:44 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:10:44 +0200
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>

Andre, sorry for hijacking this thread a bit...

I would be interested in how many people would really think they would be willing to invest some effort into various open source projects. I know David is a huge advocate of all things OSS. However, as Richmond pointed out pretty well, over the last 8 years I?ve spend in this community I have rarely seen OSS projects that took up momentum. I have been wondering why that is for quite a while now. My main thought is that it is not exactly easy to collaborate on rev Projects. This is partly due to the binary nature of stacks which makes it hard to use a version control system on rev projects, partly due to the lack of a place where projects like this could be hosted.

Current state: Everyone that tries to release stuff to the community is cooking her own soup. Though most people are very generous with sharing code on the lists and forums, there is no central repository where people can go to and collaborate on projects. We do have many sites spread all over the world with too many gems to dig out. 
Additionally we have revOnline. revOnline is a good place for consumers / prosumers though, not suitable for starting a collaborative effort to work on code. Especially libraries. Most of the stuff on revOnline is there for the visual stuff the stack does, or in a state where the lib is basically finished.

So the only things an author that uploads to revOnline can gain is 
- giving examples what can be done 
- help someone solve a problem with a complex stuff (requires a lot of coordination and is usually easier done by mail)
- show off what he has done. 

What an author usually can not hope for is to benefit from changes other coders have made once a stack is released into the wild. I have no idea how many people here would really willing to dedicate time into OSS projects (my last try was rather frustrating, though it has been a few years since I last tried.) I might be willing to test the waters again in a couple of weeks. More on that later.

All the best,

Malte





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 15 11:19:28 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:19:28 -0700
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <1284543066077-2540224.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
	<1284543066077-2540224.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRY8TNpmcQ1Xi675btsyc9NrieTmHtNiq068o8@mail.gmail.com>

Propagation used to take days. These days it seems to take just minutes or
hours at Dreamhost or ON-Rev. Your milage may vary

On 15 September 2010 02:31, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I can see the page.
>
> I'ts going to be a DNS propagation delay...more info below:
>
> To speed up the internet, Internet Server Provider (ISP) caches their DNS
>
> Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 11:23:31 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:23:31 +0100
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimC_hV2RoHEkUhsvM4sOcTX4TT6K3+hGeeDXVmR@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 September 2010 16:10, Malte Pfaff-Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>wrote:

>
> I would be interested in how many people would really think they would be
> willing to invest some effort into various open source projects. I know
> David is a huge advocate of all things OSS. However, as Richmond pointed out
> pretty well, over the last 8 years I?ve spend in this community I have
> rarely seen OSS projects that took up momentum. I have been wondering why
> that is for quite a while now. My main thought is that it is not exactly
> easy to collaborate on rev Projects.


It's mainly due to the economics of cooperating in Rev - too easy to develop
solo, and partly due to the history of the community - it's average age is
pre-open source / more share ware - so the culture is not there, and finally
the community is a little small. For these reasons you need to do a little
bit more than simply than place code up on server and declare it open under
some undetermined license for a project to take off.


> This is partly due to the binary nature of stacks which makes it hard to
> use a version control system on rev projects, partly due to the lack of a
> place where projects like this could be hosted.
>

The version control problem, is effectively solved now that we can create
objects with IDs. It's a red herring anyway, as the majority of useful code
can be shared under version control without problem.

Current state: Everyone that tries to release stuff to the community is
> cooking her own soup. Though most people are very generous with sharing code
> on the lists and forums, there is no central repository where people can go
> to and collaborate on projects. We do have many sites spread all over the
> world with too many gems to dig out.
> Additionally we have revOnline. revOnline is a good place for consumers /
> prosumers though, not suitable for starting a collaborative effort to work
> on code. Especially libraries. Most of the stuff on revOnline is there for
> the visual stuff the stack does, or in a state where the lib is basically
> finished.
>
So the only things an author that uploads to revOnline can gain is
> - giving examples what can be done
> - help someone solve a problem with a complex stuff (requires a lot of
> coordination and is usually easier done by mail)
> - show off what he has done.
>

RevOnline does not work - it is not a collaborative environment, which is
why it is easier for people to post urls to downloadable stacks than
indicate there is a stack on revOnline. It should be replaced.

>
> What an author usually can not hope for is to benefit from changes other
> coders have made once a stack is released into the wild. I have no idea how
> many people here would really willing to dedicate time into OSS projects (my
> last try was rather frustrating, though it has been a few years since I last
> tried.) I might be willing to test the waters again in a couple of weeks.
> More on that later.
>

Not many. They would when it works. The hard part is not the many, its the
first 5. Ever tried to herd cats? Well there aren't any cats in the Rev
community - they are wolves. They growl a lot and are fiercely independent,
but are deep down secret pack animals even though they wont admit it in
public :) The mothership has a lot to answer for.


From wdurden at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 11:27:19 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:27:19 -0400
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Malte,

I too have pondered the question.  I ended up feeling that the "buy in"
required by the commercial nature of the main product limits uptake by young
blood (generally poor) in numbers necessary to create open source momentum.

I have watched Ruby go from zero to being on the radar in the interim, and
few up and comers are going to latch onto runrev/livecode in the same way.
The no cost versions of the product are limited by commercial necessity and
those limits will always weigh on the balance of youngsters choosing between
the full package in a "free" language/IDE versus a reduced package here.

It seems a by-product of the necessity of RunRev/Kevin/Markula/unknown
ownership interests et al. needing to earn a return on their investment.  I
have been discouraged in concluding that while the base may grow it probably
can never capture the explosive exponential growth phase that the truly
successful open source languages have that only come with a couple orders of
magnitude of extra sets of eyeballs in the mix.

The product remains a wonderful "secret weapon" but will always languish
behind the frontier of the evolving landscape.

I really wish that a wealthy benefactor like Bill Gates would buy the whole
thing and release it all and let a thousand variations bloom and weed
themselves out...

Until it is absolutely no cost for the full version you simply won't get
teens on board in number, the ones with unlimited time and no commercial
obligations, and otaku like devotion to tackle the next new thing...


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 11:23:19 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:23:19 -0300
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-eAry0AdiSTwyA0UWTJ3suzfH9sdt0ERPSONA@mail.gmail.com>

Malte,

Is my firm belief that if the project will save or make people money right
away then they will help...

:D

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill
<revolution at derbrill.de>wrote:

> Andre, sorry for hijacking this thread a bit...
>
> I would be interested in how many people would really think they would be
> willing to invest some effort into various open source projects. I know
> David is a huge advocate of all things OSS. However, as Richmond pointed out
> pretty well, over the last 8 years I?ve spend in this community I have
> rarely seen OSS projects that took up momentum. I have been wondering why
> that is for quite a while now. My main thought is that it is not exactly
> easy to collaborate on rev Projects. This is partly due to the binary nature
> of stacks which makes it hard to use a version control system on rev
> projects, partly due to the lack of a place where projects like this could
> be hosted.
>
> Current state: Everyone that tries to release stuff to the community is
> cooking her own soup. Though most people are very generous with sharing code
> on the lists and forums, there is no central repository where people can go
> to and collaborate on projects. We do have many sites spread all over the
> world with too many gems to dig out.
> Additionally we have revOnline. revOnline is a good place for consumers /
> prosumers though, not suitable for starting a collaborative effort to work
> on code. Especially libraries. Most of the stuff on revOnline is there for
> the visual stuff the stack does, or in a state where the lib is basically
> finished.
>
> So the only things an author that uploads to revOnline can gain is
> - giving examples what can be done
> - help someone solve a problem with a complex stuff (requires a lot of
> coordination and is usually easier done by mail)
> - show off what he has done.
>
> What an author usually can not hope for is to benefit from changes other
> coders have made once a stack is released into the wild. I have no idea how
> many people here would really willing to dedicate time into OSS projects (my
> last try was rather frustrating, though it has been a few years since I last
> tried.) I might be willing to test the waters again in a couple of weeks.
> More on that later.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
>
>
>
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 11:38:27 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:38:27 -0400
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRY8TNpmcQ1Xi675btsyc9NrieTmHtNiq068o8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
	<1284543066077-2540224.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTimRY8TNpmcQ1Xi675btsyc9NrieTmHtNiq068o8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMEFatKKHCMQ7UAHFhZYVWDDX1yE4mvGeQ3qKy@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:19 AM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> Propagation used to take days. These days it seems to take just minutes or
> hours at Dreamhost or ON-Rev. Your milage may vary
>

I agree with this, propagation in general is very very quick now.  One think
else to check which I have found to be the case on Windows with Firefox is
that the browser is somehow caching the old version of the path to the
resource and refreshing is still using that old DNS address to the URL.

This can be checked from another computer at the same location that hasn't
logged into the page (it will find the new) while the other computer still
shows the old resource.

Completely quitting firefox and reloading will then find the new correct
URL.  I don't know the technicalities of the situation but the macro view is
as if the browser has cached the old DNS lookup to the URL as opposed to
simply caching the resources at that address and simply navigates the old
path.  I don't know if there is another way to refresh that part, it never
was a big enough problem to simply restart Firefox.

Wayne


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 11:44:50 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:44:50 -0300
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QqmNR5Of1sX27aF5t3DJt+mhk-QR6W4CRfZiT@mail.gmail.com>

there goes my thread :-(

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, wayne durden <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Malte,
>
> I too have pondered the question.  I ended up feeling that the "buy in"
> required by the commercial nature of the main product limits uptake by
> young
> blood (generally poor) in numbers necessary to create open source momentum.
>
> I have watched Ruby go from zero to being on the radar in the interim, and
> few up and comers are going to latch onto runrev/livecode in the same way.
> The no cost versions of the product are limited by commercial necessity and
> those limits will always weigh on the balance of youngsters choosing
> between
> the full package in a "free" language/IDE versus a reduced package here.
>
> It seems a by-product of the necessity of RunRev/Kevin/Markula/unknown
> ownership interests et al. needing to earn a return on their investment.  I
> have been discouraged in concluding that while the base may grow it
> probably
> can never capture the explosive exponential growth phase that the truly
> successful open source languages have that only come with a couple orders
> of
> magnitude of extra sets of eyeballs in the mix.
>
> The product remains a wonderful "secret weapon" but will always languish
> behind the frontier of the evolving landscape.
>
> I really wish that a wealthy benefactor like Bill Gates would buy the whole
> thing and release it all and let a thousand variations bloom and weed
> themselves out...
>
> Until it is absolutely no cost for the full version you simply won't get
> teens on board in number, the ones with unlimited time and no commercial
> obligations, and otaku like devotion to tackle the next new thing...
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Sep 15 11:48:17 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:48:17 -0600
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <60823DB7-319B-4AD7-8E73-11E8A12A4375@swcp.com>


On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> ProcessorStringName

Whoops.  I think that is ProcessorNameString.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 12:00:26 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:00:26 -0300
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>

Tim,

also take a look at David Simpson FMPro Migrator tool which is able to
convert from FMPro to Revolution. It might help you port your old FMPro
solutions to new Revolution solutions.

http://www.fmpromigrator.com/

:D

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Tim Lambert <tim.lambert at addat.com> wrote:

> Hello
> I am a long time user of Rev but have always developed databases with FMPro
> advanced. Time to try to make the move to Rev.
> With big amounts of data and lots of tables joining etc, it all looks
> pretty arcane to me.
>
> Can anyone recommend any aids memoire  or templates or anything to help a
> database slow-coach along?
>
> TIA
>
> Tim
>
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep 15 12:02:50 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:02:50 -0400
Subject: Two On-Rev Scripts on One Web Page
Message-ID: <B027E0F1-0FAE-4695-BC9B-1419F755320F@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I have an On-Rev script called from an HTML markup item in a web page.  It works fine in that the information I want generated is displayed.  I call the script like this (thanks for help with the syntax, Andr?):

	<?rev include "../myScript.irev" ?>

The trouble is, if I put the exact same statement in another HTML markup item anywhere else on the page, nothing is displayed and other static text items on the page are blanked out.  The implication seems to be that more than one reference, using Include, to On-Rev scripts cannot exist on the same page.  Is that correct or am I doing something wrong (likely)?  If the second item does not use an include statement to reference a script but is a script itself, then there is no problem.  For example,

	<?rev put the long date && the long time ?>

works fine on the same page with myScript.irev.

Any thoughts?

Regards,

Gregory

From david at architex.tv  Wed Sep 15 12:03:51 2010
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:03:51 +0100
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=QqmNR5Of1sX27aF5t3DJt+mhk-QR6W4CRfZiT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=QqmNR5Of1sX27aF5t3DJt+mhk-QR6W4CRfZiT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbxUQX4ZsB-t2t_aLhG3aJ6uWVFM6pYBJVru5n@mail.gmail.com>

On 15 September 2010 15:31, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

The trick is not to try to convert a
> common Rev stack, if you try to convert all kinds of Rev controls and
> stuff,
> you end up basically reimplementing the engine, this is kinda hard.


Agreed that would be hard short term, and probably doomed to fail long term.


> TWO ENVIRONMENT FRAMES
> ... Actions on the development environment do not work directly on
> the stuff we're developing but instead talk to the backend server that will
> follow the orders.
>
> WEB RUNNER CANVAS
> ... I have a Rev WebServer external ready for this
> project. Thats the second environment frame that I've mentioned above. It
> understands only Javascript.
>

I don't see any need for this approach? perhaps you need to explain a bit
more. What is wrong with getting the RevIDE to do all this client side? The
only reason to do this server side that I can see is to build a business
case around it. The RevIDe can do all this at lower cost - bandwidth etc,
and there are no real maintenance issues with distributed rev tools
nowadays. Don't get this.

WEB SAFE TOOLS PALETTE & INSPECTOR
> Replacing the tools palette with a Web tailored one with tools that we've
> scripted ourselves. They can mimic standard Revolution tools such as
> buttons
> and fields but they are not in fact creating Revolution buttons and fields
> but our own controls. We would also create our own inspector for setting
> properties of our own self made controls.
>

I think this is almost right, except that the logic of replicating Rev
controls is the wrong way round. Frankly the web controls are out of date,
and less sophisticated no than those you find in JavaScript libraries. Also
the audience and market is larger for people familiar with these existing
JavaScript interfaces than the tiny Rev market. What is needed is to emulate
the best and most robust JavaScript controls with Rev widgets - not the
other way round.

... When we drop a button on the web runner
> screen, a POST call is made to the web server that picks this and creates a
> button javascript object, this is transparent to the developer.
>

Again I can see absolutely no reason for the web server to do this - it's
more work, and what is the benefit? The dragging components onto the canvas,
can be done in the IDE. I demoed this at the last conference with widgets
that are under version control on the server.

This way Rev becomes a HTML5/JS/CSS development tool. We don't have the
> overhead of converting stacks to web because we're jumping that whole step
> working directly with HTML5 and friends. This solves control placement and
> interaction but does not solve script processing.
>

In MVC terms (as you say) - the controllers and models can be on the server.
This server side code could be on On-Rev, but equally there is no reason
when any good robust server code could be used in any language, we just need
to wrap so that the RevTalk based IDE handles it for us in the background.

As an aside, the code I've been working on is based around the idea that we
can have a more robust Rev based workflow (which speeds up native Rev
development), and has the side effect of producing server based "controller"
code - that can be ftp'd / transferred to the server and work there in
exactly the same way as it does locally. The aim is to enable the sharing of
this portable abstracted code, and build it into intuitive workflows so that
it is generated in a natural way as part of coding in Rev.

SCRIPT PROCESSING
> We would define a subset of RevTalk and create direct conversions from
> RevTalk to JS. As time went on we would implement more and more of RevTalk
> but some minimal subset should be enough for a start. Javascript is a
> wonderful language and converting scripts to it is the most safe option.
>

Yes - I think we are on the same page here. I see a sub-category of shared
code, which could be translated into JavaScript or other languages. People
would do this in order to allow their projects to work with existing online
frameworks, while allowing local prototyping in RevTalk. The workflow is
natural, and allows for gradual evolution of code bases based on incremental
incentives that benefit the end user. I think it could work, especially if
it were part of an explicit open source / open content strategy by RunRev,
in which they took and supportive but indirect role.


> The elegance of this approach is that we can begin with a fastCGI engine
> for
> the script processing by directly executing RevTalk script on the FastCGI
> process without translation....
>

I still don't see any advantage to this - maybe I am missing something? And
FastCGI is AFAIK not the way to go now anyway?

We could build this and release under BSD license which would enable
> business to use it in the commercial offerings and thus making it
> attractive
> and incentive sponsorship. .... This as it is defined needs no input
> whatsoever from the mothership, it can all be done in Rev.
>

It does not need RunRev technically, but as they are really the only ones
with a commercial incentive to make this work it works better with their
support - especially as the nature of the Rev community at present is "lone
wolf" - it is not trivial to get collaborative projects going.

With regard to the BSD style licensing - yes that is a safe bet, but I would
argue that there are better overall strategies to take which would include
BSD style licensing.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:11:22 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:11:22 -0600
Subject: Two On-Rev Scripts on One Web Page
In-Reply-To: <B027E0F1-0FAE-4695-BC9B-1419F755320F@videotron.ca>
References: <B027E0F1-0FAE-4695-BC9B-1419F755320F@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknHe9FRgBp7SKLHHW7rjn8SxMb2=-axxQhFS_H@mail.gmail.com>

Can you post a link to your page?

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Gregory Lypny
<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have an On-Rev script called from an HTML markup item in a web page.  It
> works fine in that the information I want generated is displayed.  I call
> the script like this (thanks for help with the syntax, Andr?):
>
>        <?rev include "../myScript.irev" ?>
>
> The trouble is, if I put the exact same statement in another HTML markup
> item anywhere else on the page, nothing is displayed and other static text
> items on the page are blanked out.  The implication seems to be that more
> than one reference, using Include, to On-Rev scripts cannot exist on the
> same page.  Is that correct or am I doing something wrong (likely)?  If the
> second item does not use an include statement to reference a script but is a
> script itself, then there is no problem.  For example,
>
>        <?rev put the long date && the long time ?>
>
> works fine on the same page with myScript.irev.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gregory_______________________________________________
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Sep 15 12:10:28 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:10:28 -0600
Subject: Two On-Rev Scripts on One Web Page
In-Reply-To: <B027E0F1-0FAE-4695-BC9B-1419F755320F@videotron.ca>
References: <B027E0F1-0FAE-4695-BC9B-1419F755320F@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CDECF73F-D75E-4579-8ED7-E66EB361C17C@byu.edu>


On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have an On-Rev script called from an HTML markup item in a web page.  It works fine in that the information I want generated is displayed.  I call the script like this (thanks for help with the syntax, Andr?):
> 
> 	<?rev include "../myScript.irev" ?>
> 
> The trouble is, if I put the exact same statement in another HTML markup item anywhere else on the page, nothing is displayed and other static text items on the page are blanked out.  The implication seems to be that more than one reference, using Include, to On-Rev scripts cannot exist on the same page.  Is that correct or am I doing something wrong (likely)?  If the second item does not use an include statement to reference a script but is a script itself, then there is no problem.  For example,
> 
> 	<?rev put the long date && the long time ?>
> 
> works fine on the same page with myScript.irev.
> 
> Any thoughts?

Gregory,

I'm not the expert on revServer scripting by any means, but as far as I know you only need to issue an include statement one time for any given page. The included file should then be available to any script segments on the page. I find it really helpful during development to enable inline error reporting:

<?rev set the errormode to "inline" ?>

That will show any errors generated by your rev code.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 12:19:53 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:19:53 -0300
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbxUQX4ZsB-t2t_aLhG3aJ6uWVFM6pYBJVru5n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=QqmNR5Of1sX27aF5t3DJt+mhk-QR6W4CRfZiT@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbxUQX4ZsB-t2t_aLhG3aJ6uWVFM6pYBJVru5n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDrUhVE2qg=7UheVk4LvJkwNLyfsQR73Lyqx=o@mail.gmail.com>

David,

I think I was misunderstood on the two environment part. When I say web
server and Rev IDE I am not saying remote web server in the sense of a
server far away but a little process running alongside the IDE on the same
machine. Not unlike the mongrel/ruby coupling.

You'll be working all on client side. No wasted bandwidth or extra CPU power
required.

You need, in my opinion, the server running to be able to develop in an
environment that is equal to your deployment option so that you don't end up
with cycles such as:

1 - build stuff in Rev
2 - convert it to web
3 - run it and it does not work or does not layout right
4 - back to Rev


If you're constantly building and tweeking inside a HTML5 enabled window,
you get the following benefits:

1 - You avoid any conversion need since you are already on the deployed
environment
2 - WYSIWYG approach, what you see on the canvas is exactly what the client
will see, no need to compile or translate anything

This way we maintain one of the strongest features of Rev which is being
able to develop incrementally avoiding the overhead of compile-debug-code
loops.

So in summary:
1 - the server is there because we need something to output as
real-as-possible data to a RevBrowser window inside Rev IDE where the
development will be done.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:23:14 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:23:14 -0600
Subject: Two On-Rev Scripts on One Web Page
In-Reply-To: <CDECF73F-D75E-4579-8ED7-E66EB361C17C@byu.edu>
References: <B027E0F1-0FAE-4695-BC9B-1419F755320F@videotron.ca>
	<CDECF73F-D75E-4579-8ED7-E66EB361C17C@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-RhCvE8ifgPG0MfD1buvPqqDmi8d8vTr6yaJh@mail.gmail.com>

What you're trying to do should work fine, my suspicion is that there are
mismatched tags somewhere, or something that is messing up the output. Since
it works in the first its most likely not the included file thats the
problem, tho I guess it could introduce something funky that cases later
stuff to misbehave.

Devins suggestion might help you out here though.  If you want to be able to
put the same information several places on the page you can define it as a
command or function in your include file.

command myspecialcommand
put the date
end myspecialcommand

Then include this file (it can contain multiple commands and functions so
that it behaves as  a library)

At which point anytime you want to put out the text generated by
myspecialcommand you can do it like

<?rev myspecialcommand ?> and it will.

You will still have potential issues with mismatched tags etc that can munge
your output,  but only including the file once can simplify things in my
opinion.

As for tracking down the issue, if you try something and it behaves as you
describe, viewing the source of the page in the browser is a good start
towards solving it.  Look at the source and see where it breaks, the look at
your code and see what is just before and after that location.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

>
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have an On-Rev script called from an HTML markup item in a web page.
>  It works fine in that the information I want generated is displayed.  I
> call the script like this (thanks for help with the syntax, Andr?):
> >
> >       <?rev include "../myScript.irev" ?>
> >
> > The trouble is, if I put the exact same statement in another HTML markup
> item anywhere else on the page, nothing is displayed and other static text
> items on the page are blanked out.  The implication seems to be that more
> than one reference, using Include, to On-Rev scripts cannot exist on the
> same page.  Is that correct or am I doing something wrong (likely)?  If the
> second item does not use an include statement to reference a script but is a
> script itself, then there is no problem.  For example,
> >
> >       <?rev put the long date && the long time ?>
> >
> > works fine on the same page with myScript.irev.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
>
> Gregory,
>
> I'm not the expert on revServer scripting by any means, but as far as I
> know you only need to issue an include statement one time for any given
> page. The included file should then be available to any script segments on
> the page. I find it really helpful during development to enable inline error
> reporting:
>
> <?rev set the errormode to "inline" ?>
>
> That will show any errors generated by your rev code.
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 15 12:34:02 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:34:02 -0700
Subject: Real Basic Web edition - No Plugin Required!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikemwzFEnhmJ2arf6uKdkGr3Ya8TOCZ1pvisR4W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284556119913-2540495.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikfLGLscZ8YRaJ_dypUNkH4vvbRLts=BstKOoDP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikemwzFEnhmJ2arf6uKdkGr3Ya8TOCZ1pvisR4W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4722500625.20100915093402@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 6:53:22 AM, you wrote:

> This could be replicated in Rev, pure RevTalk right now. It would not be
> 100% safe since we have a blocking engine but we could always use a monitor
> process to detect lock up and kill it. I think it was 2006 or something,
> that I was talking with Mark Wieder about how one should go to implement
> that exact solution.

...and I remember writing up a long report on this at the time. I'd
have to dig it up again, but I seem to remember that single-threading
was the issue that would kill using revServer this way. You either
have a single thread per user application, blocking, and no variable
persistence (no fastCGI) or you have shared persistent variables and a
single engine instance with multiple users in the same memory space
(fastCGI).

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 15 13:00:44 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:00:44 -0700
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C90221E.5080501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100914123806.038A1288335@mail.runrev.com>	<C3369D87-70AA-4CF2-BCF9-F766E66E38F7@netrin.com>
	<4C8FB609.4040805@gmail.com> <4C90221E.5080501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F8642BE0-AF72-4E3C-A6AD-271C8D2A1381@twft.com>

OMG! I love it!! Oh, you were kidding...?

Bob


On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/14/10 12:51 PM, Richmond wrote:
> 
>> Every single other product (including RunRev) has the boringly predictable
>> hoodies, tee-shirts and coffee mugs: Come on, I want to wear a RunRev
>> kilt! And I can just see Jacque sporting a frock in RunRev watered silk!
> 
> I haven't worn a frock for years. But maybe this is what you had in mind:
> 
> <http://jacque.on-rev.com/extras/rrnewprod.jpg>
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 15 13:07:35 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:07:35 -0700
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
	<999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=LdF4o89KxfuoGTx7hSiChL7L48J1q2swBnPMF@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andre... I bought 4 eBooks. O'Reilly are the *SAMS photofact** of the
software age...

*SAMS was (is?) a major publisher of tech books in the 70's and 80's like
the TTL cookbook, the CMOS cookbook, 555 cookbook, active filter cookbook,
Analog IC cookbook, etc.

On 15 September 2010 07:24, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Andre,
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> Mike
>
> --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 8:48 AM
>
> Folks,
>
> http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html
>
> o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.
>
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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-- 



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San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 15 13:08:20 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:08:20 -0700
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
Message-ID: <AC565ED6-C356-4587-AF62-2C7C0DED657A@twft.com>

I would seriously consider sqlYoga from Mango Learning. It takes a while to master it, but then it beats SQL syntax, which btw is NOT AT ALL standardized. sqlYoga hides most (if not all) of the syntactical differences between the supported engines, and they have methods for relational joins which really take the headaches out of working with SQL. 

Bob


On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Tim Lambert wrote:

> Hello
> I am a long time user of Rev but have always developed databases with FMPro advanced. Time to try to make the move to Rev. 
> With big amounts of data and lots of tables joining etc, it all looks pretty arcane to me.
> 
> Can anyone recommend any aids memoire  or templates or anything to help a database slow-coach along?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Tim
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 15 13:24:03 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:24:03 -0500
Subject: Grouping checkboxes with label fields
In-Reply-To: <674752.39021.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <674752.39021.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C910133.8030401@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/15/10 12:18 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> The checkbox is always painted near the vertical middle of the
> button. You can always tweak the margins property o the button to
> move down the label so the first line matches the checkbox, but then
> you end up with a large button with loads of whitespace above that
> the user can still click on. But then you can group the button to cut
> off the extraneous part at the top: group the button, set the group
> margins to 0, set its locklocation to true and then resize it to the
> actual top. Works great here.

Oohh...<scribbles notes.>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Sep 15 13:38:33 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:38:33 -0600
Subject: how to identify a 64-bit Windows machine in Rev
In-Reply-To: <4C9064CA.1040302@pdslabs.net>
References: <4C8EBC80.7090900@pdslabs.net>
	<C677CD7A-9B00-4F5F-87E1-B02D27ADE45E@swcp.com>
	<4C9064CA.1040302@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <AD653AA3-F8D1-4C47-9B43-B6EADD41B039@swcp.com>


On Sep 15, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

>  You give the most complete answers!

Thanks!

But, you'll notice that the hardware detection part is weak.  Besides  
ProcessorNameString in the registry, you might look at Identifier or  
"Platform ID".  You might try testing for a bunch of CPU names.  I  
don't know of a definitive way.  You might also try the environment  
variable PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER.

I only recently discovered the environment variable  
PROCESSOR_ARCHITEW6432, which is great for discovering the OS bit width.

Dar





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 15 14:14:08 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:14:08 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
Message-ID: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>

A customer has contacted tech support about an issue we can't solve, so 
I'd like to know if anyone else here has experienced it and what they 
did to fix it.

The problem is very slow launch times of standalones on Windows 7, of up 
to a minute or more. It doesn't happen on any earlier versions of Windows.

We had one other customer report the same thing, but it only occured on 
a small number of his Windows customer machines, and he solved it by 
reinstalling Win7 on those machines. His theory was that the Dells 
shipped with some setting that a reinstall changed. A Google query shows 
that lots of people are having similar slow launch problems on Win7 with 
other apps as well, so it isn't just a Rev problem. Many report that 
defragging the hard drive fixes it, but in this customer's case it did 
not. The customer says if he reduces the file size by removing all 
substacks, launch times improve -- which would seem to support the 
defrag theory (fewer bytes to find,) but it didn't work for him. He is 
not running a virus scanner that would interfere.

Has anyone else encountered the problem? Were you able to solve it?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 14:29:38 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:29:38 +0300
Subject: how to identify a 64 bit computer?
Message-ID: <4C911092.8040605@gmail.com>

  After the thread about 64-bit machines running Windows I started wondering
about 64-bits machines in general, or, as the much over-used-and-abused 
phrase
goes "cross-platform".

In the light of answers to the earlier thread I take it RunRev has no 
internal way
of detecting whether a processor is 32 or 64 bit rather in the way

systemVersion

returns details about the OS.

HOWEVER . . . I wonder about something like this:

put the processor

surely that should tell one enough to work out if it is a 32 or 64 bit 
system ?????????????

HOWEVER . . . when I do this on my HP Pentium 4 running Ubuntu 10.10 Beta
all I get is

unknown

about as useful as a poke in the face with a sharp stick . . .  :(

BUT . . . that is (take note RunRev folks)  PROCESSOR is NOT supported 
in the
Linux version of RunRev . . . 4.5 . . . cough, cough, cough . . . please?

sincerely, Richmond.


From wdurden at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 14:36:41 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:36:41 -0400
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpWfOzZsMsJZCOMPv_=v5cVJ8R9eBLu6BgMFvw@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like this came up recently and someone on the list reported that
updating the graphics drivers fixed this?  I could be mistaken ....

Wayne


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> A customer has contacted tech support about an issue we can't solve, so I'd
> like to know if anyone else here has experienced it and what they did to fix
> it.
>
> The problem is very slow launch times of standalones on Windows 7, of up to
> a minute or more. It doesn't happen on any earlier versions of Windows.
>
> We had one other customer report the same thing, but it only occured on a
> small number of his Windows customer machines, and he solved it by
> reinstalling Win7 on those machines. His theory was that the Dells shipped
> with some setting that a reinstall changed. A Google query shows that lots
> of people are having similar slow launch problems on Win7 with other apps as
> well, so it isn't just a Rev problem. Many report that defragging the hard
> drive fixes it, but in this customer's case it did not. The customer says if
> he reduces the file size by removing all substacks, launch times improve --
> which would seem to support the defrag theory (fewer bytes to find,) but it
> didn't work for him. He is not running a virus scanner that would interfere.
>
> Has anyone else encountered the problem? Were you able to solve it?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 14:41:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:41:43 +0300
Subject: Fwd: how to identify a 64 bit computer?
Message-ID: <4C911367.7020609@gmail.com>

  Hey, look, I'm replying to my own posting again . . .  :)

<snip>

 >put the processor

<snip>

noted that in the Documentation (4.0 / 4.5-dp 4) that there is no
mention of what is returned if a Macintosh Intel processor is running
the computer .
                         .
                           out
                                 of
                                     date
                                             a
                                                bit . . . . . .

come on. someone who is running a Mac Intel (there were lots of you at
the Edinburgh conference) do a

put the processor

and pop it in the user notes, Please!

sincerely, Richmond.



From massung at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 14:50:56 2010
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:50:56 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7tOND5EcG61+TONk7uesKSERQ0JqekbNR21uG@mail.gmail.com>

Jacqueline,

Have all the standard tests been tried and eliminated? Also, completely
ignore any defrag suggestions. That would only help if the app was accessing
a metric ton of files at startup, in which case there's other things to be
done to help that instead of asking a customer to perform a 6+ hour
operation just for a simple test.

At the top of the my list would be:

* Permissions launching the file causing a problem?

For a big company where a username is set to a domain that might be managed
in another state, this can cause issues if setup incorrectly. Usually not,
and I'm not sure how a reinstall would help unless they altered the settings
for how your app was installed (read: all users have equal permissions).

* Is there network activity during launch?

This could be a number of things, but if at startup there is a lot of
network activity going on, that's where I'd focus the majority of my
attention is solving the issue. Does your app ping your website for a
license key check or anything similar? Perhaps they are doing something
special to log their users' activities (ala keylogging software)? Many
programs can be used to check this.

* Are there are lot of files being accessed at application startup?

For many apps, this is a serious bottle neck. Disk reads are incredibly
fast, but opening and closing files is incredibly slow. If the app scans
folders to build trees or anything else at startup, this would be something
to look into as well. This would also combine with the next test... (Again,
there are apps out there to let you watch DLL, process, and disk access of
your running process at startup).

* Anti-Virus settings set way too high?

Sometimes when anti-virus software is installed the settings are blasted all
the way as high as to scan an entire executable (or DLL!!) when it's first
loaded to see it can find anything wrong with it. Rev (and many other apps)
load a lot of DLLs on startup and if all of those get equally checked, it
could be a problem.

Hopefully some of these suggestions lead to some answers for you. Here at my
work, these usually ended up causing us problems at one time or another at
just the wrong times (isn't that always the case? :-)).

Jeff M.


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 14:57:19 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:57:19 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4C910CF0.6050601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oGF89tPBMyLbhsYCrogJzwa0g_A6ECgUkAxFd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:14 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> A customer has contacted tech support about an issue we can't solve, so I'd
> like to know if anyone else here has experienced it and what they did to fix
> it.
>
> The problem is very slow launch times of standalones on Windows 7, of up to
> a minute or more. It doesn't happen on any earlier versions of Windows.
>
> We had one other customer report the same thing, but it only occured on a
> small number of his Windows customer machines, and he solved it by
> reinstalling Win7 on those machines. His theory was that the Dells shipped
> with some setting that a reinstall changed. A Google query shows that lots
> of people are having similar slow launch problems on Win7 with other apps as
> well, so it isn't just a Rev problem. Many report that defragging the hard
> drive fixes it, but in this customer's case it did not. The customer says if
> he reduces the file size by removing all substacks, launch times improve --
> which would seem to support the defrag theory (fewer bytes to find,) but it
> didn't work for him. He is not running a virus scanner that would interfere.
>
> Has anyone else encountered the problem? Were you able to solve it?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Hi Jacque,

Our tech support has encountered a similar problem. If it is general
to all applications, a recent and automatic update of Microsoft
Silverlight, could slow applications.
Ask your customer if he has Silverlight installed. If yes he should
try to uninstall it. Sometime you have to restart windows in safe
mode, because Silverlight slows the system too.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 15:15:55 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:15:55 +0300
Subject: systemVersion, RunRev with WINE, burblings.
Message-ID: <4C911B6B.4090602@gmail.com>

  Ubuntu 10.10 Beta, WINE 1.3.2 Beta

RunRev for Windows running under WINE (seriously odd as Compiz Fusion
mucks up the icons on the ToolBar and MenuBar stacks something wicked)

put the systemVersion

yields  NT 5.1 when WINE is set to imitate Windows XP

and  NT 6.1 when WINE is set to imitate Windows 7

[ interestingly enough, when WINE is passing itself off as Windows 7, most
of the icons on the ToolBar stack are not black boxes ]

put processor returns  x86  as one would expect.

AND, while I'm on-a-roll about running RunRev for Windows on WINE,

put the fontNames

'sees' all the fonts installed in the Linux system.

Certainly beats the crap out of having to run test stacks back and forth
between a Linux box and a Windows box (plus the added expense of shelling
out for various versions of Windows) witha Flash drive for testing purposes.

sincerely, Richmond.


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Sep 15 15:34:12 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:34:12 +1000
Subject: using datagrid with revmobile
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=9pmEtEFM5rtajS7v_TgSv96Jcryu3vJm6j3FB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B75CD4.D569%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

I couldn't get a datagrid object to scroll (with a scrollbar) in the plugin
so perhaps they aren't quite compatible just yet.

BTW, has anyone made any progress with emulating an iPhone scrolling
field/list/menu object? I got as far as making implementing the top an
bottom 'overflow' regions and the scaled scroll indicator but mine doesn't
have any momentum action (you can't flick it).

Terry...


On 15/09/10 10:31 PM, "paolo mazza" <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>  I have few questions about using datagrid in mobile applications...
> 
> In an application for iPhone,  can I place a datagrid object ?
> 
> Datagrid objects work fine in mobile applications created by the present
> RevMobile plugin?
> 
> What about next release of the RevMobile plugin?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
> Paolo
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Medical Education Unit
Melbourne Medical School
The University of Melbourne




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 15 15:36:06 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:36:06 +0200
Subject: systemVersion, RunRev with WINE, burblings.
In-Reply-To: <4C911B6B.4090602@gmail.com>
References: <4C911B6B.4090602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEEF776F-F91C-4E0A-80E7-9D4C0B765743@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

I think we already know that Rev doesn't work well with WINE. This isn't surprising, because WINE doesn't include the libraries that RunRev needs to render PNG's. Probably, you should report it to the WINE developers or start a discussion on the WINE newsgroup. 

WINE doesn't imitate or emulate Windows. WINE allows a number of programmes to run without Windows and unfortunately RunRev isn't one of them.

If you can afford buying an official copy of Windows 7, then you might use VirtualBox to emulate a PC. Win 7 really runs perfectly on VirtualBox.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 15 sep 2010, at 21:15, Richmond wrote:

> Ubuntu 10.10 Beta, WINE 1.3.2 Beta
> 
> RunRev for Windows running under WINE (seriously odd as Compiz Fusion
> mucks up the icons on the ToolBar and MenuBar stacks something wicked)
> 
> put the systemVersion
> 
> yields  NT 5.1 when WINE is set to imitate Windows XP
> 
> and  NT 6.1 when WINE is set to imitate Windows 7
> 
> [ interestingly enough, when WINE is passing itself off as Windows 7, most
> of the icons on the ToolBar stack are not black boxes ]
> 
> put processor returns  x86  as one would expect.
> 
> AND, while I'm on-a-roll about running RunRev for Windows on WINE,
> 
> put the fontNames
> 
> 'sees' all the fonts installed in the Linux system.
> 
> Certainly beats the crap out of having to run test stacks back and forth
> between a Linux box and a Windows box (plus the added expense of shelling
> out for various versions of Windows) witha Flash drive for testing purposes.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond.




From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep 15 15:54:29 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:54:29 -0400
Subject: Two On-Rev Scripts on One Web Page
Message-ID: <CAB2BB89-4EDA-4A31-9274-1BEF0F3F121C@videotron.ca>

Thanks Devin and Mike,

You got it, Devin.  Turns out that using an Include statement twice was the problem.  And I most definitely will be making frequent use of

	<?rev set the errormode to "inline" ?>

as well as viewing the source code.

Regards,

Gregory



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Sep 15 16:01:03 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:01:03 -0500
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=LdF4o89KxfuoGTx7hSiChL7L48J1q2swBnPMF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
	<999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=LdF4o89KxfuoGTx7hSiChL7L48J1q2swBnPMF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinY-gVTGd4+1Y+B38qVYZhs-Te-gQTySH7a8OgX@mail.gmail.com>

Are these delivered in PDF?

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> Thanks Andre... I bought 4 eBooks. O'Reilly are the *SAMS photofact** of
> the
> software age...
>
> *SAMS was (is?) a major publisher of tech books in the 70's and 80's like
> the TTL cookbook, the CMOS cookbook, 555 cookbook, active filter cookbook,
> Analog IC cookbook, etc.
>
> On 15 September 2010 07:24, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Andre,
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> > Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 8:48 AM
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html
> >
> > o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.
> >
> > --
> > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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> subscription preferences:
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-- 
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CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 16:12:18 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:12:18 -0300
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinY-gVTGd4+1Y+B38qVYZhs-Te-gQTySH7a8OgX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
	<999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=LdF4o89KxfuoGTx7hSiChL7L48J1q2swBnPMF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinY-gVTGd4+1Y+B38qVYZhs-Te-gQTySH7a8OgX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFdZyLdbCBo8_YsPmn4gYSE-c6t2MYv_0K7FBu@mail.gmail.com>

I think they are ePubs... but I don't know


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Are these delivered in PDF?
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Andre... I bought 4 eBooks. O'Reilly are the *SAMS photofact** of
> > the
> > software age...
> >
> > *SAMS was (is?) a major publisher of tech books in the 70's and 80's like
> > the TTL cookbook, the CMOS cookbook, 555 cookbook, active filter
> cookbook,
> > Analog IC cookbook, etc.
> >
> > On 15 September 2010 07:24, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Andre,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> > > Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
> > > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 8:48 AM
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html
> > >
> > > o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 15 16:15:30 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:15:30 +0100
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDrUhVE2qg=7UheVk4LvJkwNLyfsQR73Lyqx=o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=QqmNR5Of1sX27aF5t3DJt+mhk-QR6W4CRfZiT@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbxUQX4ZsB-t2t_aLhG3aJ6uWVFM6pYBJVru5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDrUhVE2qg=7UheVk4LvJkwNLyfsQR73Lyqx=o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=d+h10=eQANE0e8XV-dV1banR6EJYuHtfLEfnV@mail.gmail.com>

Aha - got you. Good plan for offline development - though secondary in terms
of priority I'd say to having remote server based solution? NB - is the
external based on one of the C based open source server projects?

On 15 September 2010 17:19, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> I think I was misunderstood on the two environment part. When I say web
> server and Rev IDE I am not saying remote web server in the sense of a
> server far away but a little process running alongside the IDE on the same
> machine. Not unlike the mongrel/ruby coupling.
>
> You'll be working all on client side. No wasted bandwidth or extra CPU
> power
> required.
>
> You need, in my opinion, the server running to be able to develop in an
> environment that is equal to your deployment option so that you don't end
> up
> with cycles such as:
>
> 1 - build stuff in Rev
> 2 - convert it to web
> 3 - run it and it does not work or does not layout right
> 4 - back to Rev
>
>
> If you're constantly building and tweeking inside a HTML5 enabled window,
> you get the following benefits:
>
> 1 - You avoid any conversion need since you are already on the deployed
> environment
> 2 - WYSIWYG approach, what you see on the canvas is exactly what the client
> will see, no need to compile or translate anything
>
> This way we maintain one of the strongest features of Rev which is being
> able to develop incrementally avoiding the overhead of compile-debug-code
> loops.
>
> So in summary:
> 1 - the server is there because we need something to output as
> real-as-possible data to a RevBrowser window inside Rev IDE where the
> development will be done.
>


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 16:15:55 2010
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:15:55 -0400
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimFdZyLdbCBo8_YsPmn4gYSE-c6t2MYv_0K7FBu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
	<999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=LdF4o89KxfuoGTx7hSiChL7L48J1q2swBnPMF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinY-gVTGd4+1Y+B38qVYZhs-Te-gQTySH7a8OgX@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimFdZyLdbCBo8_YsPmn4gYSE-c6t2MYv_0K7FBu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim5ENxd+SB361orpLFgn4R8W49hN19mZ-Y+u16v@mail.gmail.com>

They are delivered in a bunch of formats including PDF and ePub, some are in
Mobi and other formats.


Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 645 5394



On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> I think they are ePubs... but I don't know
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
> > Are these delivered in PDF?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, stephen barncard <
> > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Andre... I bought 4 eBooks. O'Reilly are the *SAMS photofact**
> of
> > > the
> > > software age...
> > >
> > > *SAMS was (is?) a major publisher of tech books in the 70's and 80's
> like
> > > the TTL cookbook, the CMOS cookbook, 555 cookbook, active filter
> > cookbook,
> > > Analog IC cookbook, etc.
> > >
> > > On 15 September 2010 07:24, Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Andre,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the heads up.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> > > > Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
> > > > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 8:48 AM
> > > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html
> > > >
> > > > o'reilly cookbooks for usd 9.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > subscription preferences:
> > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > subscription preferences:
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen Barncard
> > > San Francisco Ca. USA
> > >
> > > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chipp Walters
> > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 15 16:18:54 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:18:54 -0300
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=d+h10=eQANE0e8XV-dV1banR6EJYuHtfLEfnV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100914123806.3D1D3288336@mail.runrev.com>
	<F71FA497-063F-4D1B-9395-6A89C58B2E46@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTin36St5EmNwV_djHXaetTYn=U8n4wa-Pf-um9zL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=QqmNR5Of1sX27aF5t3DJt+mhk-QR6W4CRfZiT@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbxUQX4ZsB-t2t_aLhG3aJ6uWVFM6pYBJVru5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDrUhVE2qg=7UheVk4LvJkwNLyfsQR73Lyqx=o@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=d+h10=eQANE0e8XV-dV1banR6EJYuHtfLEfnV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimw=A1yWtRSnE2+cjKGuv31F66O=ku+VDupjHRP@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> Aha - got you. Good plan for offline development - though secondary in
> terms
> of priority I'd say to having remote server based solution? NB - is the
> external based on one of the C based open source server projects?
>

The external is based on mongoose.



>
> On 15 September 2010 17:19, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I think I was misunderstood on the two environment part. When I say web
> > server and Rev IDE I am not saying remote web server in the sense of a
> > server far away but a little process running alongside the IDE on the
> same
> > machine. Not unlike the mongrel/ruby coupling.
> >
> > You'll be working all on client side. No wasted bandwidth or extra CPU
> > power
> > required.
> >
> > You need, in my opinion, the server running to be able to develop in an
> > environment that is equal to your deployment option so that you don't end
> > up
> > with cycles such as:
> >
> > 1 - build stuff in Rev
> > 2 - convert it to web
> > 3 - run it and it does not work or does not layout right
> > 4 - back to Rev
> >
> >
> > If you're constantly building and tweeking inside a HTML5 enabled window,
> > you get the following benefits:
> >
> > 1 - You avoid any conversion need since you are already on the deployed
> > environment
> > 2 - WYSIWYG approach, what you see on the canvas is exactly what the
> client
> > will see, no need to compile or translate anything
> >
> > This way we maintain one of the strongest features of Rev which is being
> > able to develop incrementally avoiding the overhead of compile-debug-code
> > loops.
> >
> > So in summary:
> > 1 - the server is there because we need something to output as
> > real-as-possible data to a RevBrowser window inside Rev IDE where the
> > development will be done.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 15 17:28:43 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:28:43 -0700
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
	<AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>

Not to dis anyone's product, but it should be plainly stated, unless things have improved, that by Filemaker Databases, the developer means ONLY the Filemaker Databases. If you have scripts, I do not think it imports those, and last time I tried it, forms were also not imported. I'll say no more. 

Bob


On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> also take a look at David Simpson FMPro Migrator tool which is able to
> convert from FMPro to Revolution. It might help you port your old FMPro
> solutions to new Revolution solutions.
> 
> http://www.fmpromigrator.com/
> 
> :D



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 15 17:57:22 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:57:22 -0700
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinY-gVTGd4+1Y+B38qVYZhs-Te-gQTySH7a8OgX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
	<999662.73480.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=LdF4o89KxfuoGTx7hSiChL7L48J1q2swBnPMF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinY-gVTGd4+1Y+B38qVYZhs-Te-gQTySH7a8OgX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBMKHFkAxG_GBMwf7BW7UfwNVS82rqzYJ9vee+@mail.gmail.com>

Not only pdf but enhanced pdf and most of the common book formats. All the
indexes, links and cross-references work.

On 15 September 2010 13:01, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Are these delivered in PDF?
>


Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Sep 15 18:06:36 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:06:36 +0100
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRY8TNpmcQ1Xi675btsyc9NrieTmHtNiq068o8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>	<1284543066077-2540224.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTimRY8TNpmcQ1Xi675btsyc9NrieTmHtNiq068o8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C91436C.8070505@tweedly.net>


Thanks to everyone who replied - it was very helpful.

Stephen, I have had the same experience - propagation is very rapid (I 
also use both Dreamhost and on-rev :-)

But in this case, the one person who actually matters is still not able 
to see her own website. I'm starting to think it's her computer, not DNS 
(though the web tool I mentioned says that 6 out of the 20 sites it uses 
worldwide still do not see the domain properly).

I'll try Wayne's suggestions re. Windows / Firefox - or maybe just get 
her to switch off/on her computer and see if that helps.

Thanks again
-- Alex.

On 15/09/2010 16:19, stephen barncard wrote:
> Propagation used to take days. These days it seems to take just minutes or
> hours at Dreamhost or ON-Rev. Your milage may vary
>
> On 15 September 2010 02:31, AndyP<smudge.andy at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> I can see the page.
>>
>> I'ts going to be a DNS propagation delay...more info below:
>>
>> To speed up the internet, Internet Server Provider (ISP) caches their DNS
>>
>> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb<http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 15 18:15:51 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:15:51 -0700
Subject: OT: Waiting for DNS to update a new site.
In-Reply-To: <4C91436C.8070505@tweedly.net>
References: <4C8FF461.6090407@tweedly.net>
	<1284543066077-2540224.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTimRY8TNpmcQ1Xi675btsyc9NrieTmHtNiq068o8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C91436C.8070505@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikybX2=khhcQcfQT7Hqckx4zM8wKB2fGHKoUg+p@mail.gmail.com>

Bad domain settings can "partially" work. Make sure she's set to her own
connecting ISP's correct domain servers, or a more dependable outside DNS.

On 15 September 2010 15:06, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

>
> Thanks to everyone who replied - it was very helpful.
>
> Stephen, I have had the same experience - propagation is very rapid (I also
> use both Dreamhost and on-rev :-)
>
> But in this case, the one person who actually matters is still not able to
> see her own website. I'm starting to think it's her computer, not DNS
> (though the web tool I mentioned says that 6 out of the 20 sites it uses
> worldwide still do not see the domain properly).
>
> I'll try Wayne's suggestions re. Windows / Firefox - or maybe just get her
> to switch off/on her computer and see if that helps.
>
> Thanks again
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 15/09/2010 16:19, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Propagation used to take days. These days it seems to take just minutes or
>> hours at Dreamhost or ON-Rev. Your milage may vary
>>
>> On 15 September 2010 02:31, AndyP<smudge.andy at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> I can see the page.
>>>
>>> I'ts going to be a DNS propagation delay...more info below:
>>>
>>> To speed up the internet, Internet Server Provider (ISP) caches their DNS
>>>
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>>
>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>
>> more about sqb<http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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-- 



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San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 18:30:57 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:30:57 -0500
Subject: Resizing Stack
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD-QU9NgUiK11X8_SipSK7CB2iAMfiXyS7tKYF@mail.gmail.com>

I have a text field on a stack that I want the size to increase/decrease
based on the size of the stack changing.  Can I do this with the geometry
properties on my text field alone?  Or is there more too this?  I am trying
to grasp the concept of the resizing concept and still don't have it figured
out.  Basically I want my text field to resize proportionate to the size of
the stack.  I have read the user manual and am still confused.

Any direction greatly appreciated!

Warren


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 22:46:39 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:46:39 EDT
Subject: Resizing Stack
Message-ID: <19d103.63407ec5.39c2df0f@aol.com>

I have never used the geometry manager. This is supposed to do exactly what 
you asked.

But it would be better to do it the old fashioned way, just to practice 
using Rev. Let's say that your text field is one quarter the height and   three 
quarters the width of your stack. Trap the "resizeStack" message. Get the 
height and width of the new stack and set those properties of your field by 
scaling accordingly. Now do it with a custom property. Or yet another way. 
Simple and fun.

If your field has a fixed topLeft, set that, too. If not, scale it in the 
same way.

Read about the "resizeStack" message. There is, I have found, a message, 
property or function that seems to do exactly what you need to get a job done. 
This is because Rev has just about everything imaginable. The hard part is 
finding these goodies. You need to learn to do this, and pay special 
attention to the "see also" stuff when you attempt search. In this case, you might 
have tried "resize". That would lead you quickly to the right place. But 
even if you searched "stack" or "size", you still would have found the right 
message. This is an art, just like searching Google. You get good at it after 
a while.

The alternative is to learn, and remember, the entire dictionary. Good 
luck.

Craig Newman


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 23:00:09 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:00:09 -0500
Subject: Resizing Stack
In-Reply-To: <19d103.63407ec5.39c2df0f@aol.com>
References: <19d103.63407ec5.39c2df0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinKvJDiULAz=voUO082J2TDztyZNwjJrXffJzcT@mail.gmail.com>

Craig,

Thank you very much for the advice.  You really helped me as I was trying to
determine if there was a combination of geometry manager and programming to
accomplish this.  I will focus on the resizestack message and follow your
advice.  This seems a lot easier with your explanation.

Appreciate you taking the time to help me.  Much appreciated!

Warren

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> I have never used the geometry manager. This is supposed to do exactly what
> you asked.
>
> But it would be better to do it the old fashioned way, just to practice
> using Rev. Let's say that your text field is one quarter the height and
> three
> quarters the width of your stack. Trap the "resizeStack" message. Get the
> height and width of the new stack and set those properties of your field by
> scaling accordingly. Now do it with a custom property. Or yet another way.
> Simple and fun.
>
> If your field has a fixed topLeft, set that, too. If not, scale it in the
> same way.
>
> Read about the "resizeStack" message. There is, I have found, a message,
> property or function that seems to do exactly what you need to get a job
> done.
> This is because Rev has just about everything imaginable. The hard part is
> finding these goodies. You need to learn to do this, and pay special
> attention to the "see also" stuff when you attempt search. In this case,
> you might
> have tried "resize". That would lead you quickly to the right place. But
> even if you searched "stack" or "size", you still would have found the
> right
> message. This is an art, just like searching Google. You get good at it
> after
> a while.
>
> The alternative is to learn, and remember, the entire dictionary. Good
> luck.
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 23:04:14 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:04:14 EDT
Subject: Resizing Stack
Message-ID: <19dc0c.5c7ddddf.39c2e32e@aol.com>

No problem. Please do write back with anything at all you need.

I am just glad I beat the others this time.

Craig


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 01:26:25 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:26:25 +0300
Subject: systemVersion, RunRev with WINE, burblings.
In-Reply-To: <AEEF776F-F91C-4E0A-80E7-9D4C0B765743@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4C911B6B.4090602@gmail.com>
	<AEEF776F-F91C-4E0A-80E7-9D4C0B765743@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4C91AA81.9030003@gmail.com>

  On 09/15/2010 10:36 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> I think we already know that Rev doesn't work well with WINE. This isn't surprising, because WINE doesn't include the libraries that RunRev needs to render PNG's. Probably, you should report it to the WINE developers or start a discussion on the WINE newsgroup.
>
> WINE doesn't imitate or emulate Windows. WINE allows a number of programmes to run without Windows and unfortunately RunRev isn't one of them.
>
> If you can afford buying an official copy of Windows 7, then you might use VirtualBox to emulate a PC. Win 7 really runs perfectly on VirtualBox.
>
>

The PNG rendering 'thing' was secondary to my message: what interested 
me was how WINE successfully
managed to fool RunRev into thinking it was different flavours of 
Windows; and that it successfully reported
the underlying processor.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 01:41:32 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:41:32 +0300
Subject: systemVersion, RunRev with WINE, burblings.
Message-ID: <4C91AE0C.4040606@gmail.com>

   On 09/15/2010 10:36 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> I think we already know that Rev doesn't work well with WINE. This isn't surprising, because WINE doesn't include the libraries that RunRev needs to render PNG's. Probably, you should report it to the WINE developers or start a discussion on the WINE newsgroup.
>
> WINE doesn't imitate or emulate Windows. WINE allows a number of programmes to run without Windows and unfortunately RunRev isn't one of them.

Nonsense! RunRev 4.0 runs superbly under WINE 1.3.2 except for the PNG 
rendering; which basically means it mucks
any images with transparent sections and renders PNGs as black 
artifacts. As such this is not fatal unless you are
badly hung up on PNG images (which I am).

I have just submitted a note about just this in the WINE forums (err . . 
. 'fora' . . . ???).

> If you can afford buying an official copy of Windows 7, then you might use VirtualBox to emulate a PC. Win 7 really runs perfectly on VirtualBox.
>
>




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 03:22:26 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:22:26 +0100
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
Message-ID: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions 
as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to 
not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to 
the mulifarious nature of Linux.

I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core, the latter of which gives new meaning to 
the expression 'minimalist'.  It is gui userland Linux system in 11 Mb.  If 
we still had floppies, it would just about be deliverable on a handful.  It 
uses almost none of the standard components.  All applications have to be 
installed from repository.  Both of these distros run in memory, so they 
are super fast.  

If you do this at home with Tiny Core, you should probably go with 3.1, 
just out.  I used 3.0.  It has 2.6 kernel, BusyBox, Tiny X, FLTK graphical 
user interface and flwm window manager.  Without getting too far into the 
recherche details, this is not your standard distro.  This is as minimalist 
as X windows can get.  Get it here:

tinycore_3.1.iso 

The other distribution is Slitaz, less minimalist, this has a whole 30 Mb 
and runs OpenBox, so a standard GUI, though not one most folks here may be 
familiar with.  It comes with XOrg and LXDE bits and pieces.  Midori as web  
browser, leafpad editor.  It is a usable desktop out of the box, unlike 
Tiny Core.  Get it here:

slitaz-3.0.iso 

I did not use these in VMs, but on a spare bare metal machine we now have 
available.  There is not going to be any difference if you run from CD in 
live mode, or if you install on hard drive, since in either case they both 
load directly to memory.  I don't use VMs for this stuff in the interests 
of eliminating as many variables as possible.

I made no modification whatever to Slitaz, but on Tiny Core, using the 
terminal, was unable to cd to the USB drive on which I had placed Media.  I 
therefore installed PCManFM from the repository, which brought down a 
modest bunch of dependencies, including Gtk2, all of which went by in a 
flash.  I didn't make a note of the others but can find out what they were 
if anyone is interested.

It would be nice to know what people think should be tested for to make 
this rigorous.  What I did was two things.  First, some minimal exercise of 
the IDE.  Created a new mainstack, dragged objects onto it, resized them.  
This worked fine.  The font (yes, singular is intended) could be resized 
fine.  The dictionary displayed and worked fine.  You can alternate between 
IDE and browse mode.  Buttons work.  Second thing was, when I had a stack, 
I then moved it to another virtual desktop, popped over to the virtual 
desktop and clicked it.  It instantly went back to the first one, where 
Media was open.  So virtual desktops do not work here.

It does not look like the problems could be missing dependencies.  Rev 
seems to work exactly the same if its in one of these totally minimalist 
environments, including with Tiny Core which has out of the box almost 
nothing the big ones have except what you absolutely have to have to run 
the kernel and a command line, or if it is full fledged and bloated like 
Gnome or KDE.

The environment I have found where Rev doesn't work at all is Ion2 window 
manager.  This is actually a very nice working environment, its becoming my 
favorite.  Its a tiling and tabbing WM.  You have tiles open, and your apps 
take up the entire tile, in a tab.  The tiles sit side by side on the 
desktop.  It handles pop-up windows in an unusual way, they all appear at 
the bottom of the tile you are in.  Rev does not like this, and it crashes.  
When you get used to Ion and know the keyboard shortcuts, its simply 
superb, fast, intuitive and very easy.  You start apps from the keyboard 
with auto fill to help.  Everything else seems to work with Ion, so this 
may be an indication that Rev is not standards compliant on the desktop 
issue.

So, tell me what else people want to see exercised, and I will do it, this 
is just a start.  And next week I will hopefully have time to do a full 
scale slackware install and bash around with that.  I am not all that 
lively lately, and the latest is, have a proper phone system to install....  
in addition to a server.  But we will get to it, we really will.

Peter


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 16 03:47:17 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:47:17 +0200
Subject: systemVersion, RunRev with WINE, burblings.
In-Reply-To: <4C91AE0C.4040606@gmail.com>
References: <4C91AE0C.4040606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5FFF89C-D854-4A47-A11D-BB6B3E61D747@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmon,

I'm glad that it works for you. As for me, I don't see how I could comfortably work with RunRev in WINE, since the toolbar and tools palette are made of PNG images. Most of my projects contain PNG's too. It would be really cool if the WINE developers fixed this. Forums... fora... hmm... discussion groups ;-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 16 sep 2010, at 07:41, Richmond wrote:
> 
> Nonsense! RunRev 4.0 runs superbly under WINE 1.3.2 except for the PNG rendering; which basically means it mucks
> any images with transparent sections and renders PNGs as black artifacts. As such this is not fatal unless you are
> badly hung up on PNG images (which I am).
> 
> I have just submitted a note about just this in the WINE forums (err . . . 'fora' . . . ???).



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Sep 16 03:55:10 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:55:10 +0100
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
In-Reply-To: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimY+HYtKfc1P5q6Vqdb+mqUr6DWWTsFPAVeWeun@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the report Peter. It's really useful to get a feel of what is and
is not working on these minimalistic Linux distros.

On 16 September 2010 08:22, Peter Alcibiades
<palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions
> as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to
> not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to
> the mulifarious nature of Linux.
>
> I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core, the latter of which gives new meaning to
> the expression 'minimalist'.  It is gui userland Linux system in 11 Mb.  If
> we still had floppies, it would just about be deliverable on a handful.  It
> uses almost none of the standard components.  All applications have to be
> installed from repository.  Both of these distros run in memory, so they
> are super fast.
>
> If you do this at home with Tiny Core, you should probably go with 3.1,
> just out.  I used 3.0.  It has 2.6 kernel, BusyBox, Tiny X, FLTK graphical
> user interface and flwm window manager.  Without getting too far into the
> recherche details, this is not your standard distro.  This is as minimalist
> as X windows can get.  Get it here:
>
> tinycore_3.1.iso
>
> The other distribution is Slitaz, less minimalist, this has a whole 30 Mb
> and runs OpenBox, so a standard GUI, though not one most folks here may be
> familiar with.  It comes with XOrg and LXDE bits and pieces.  Midori as web
> browser, leafpad editor.  It is a usable desktop out of the box, unlike
> Tiny Core.  Get it here:
>
> slitaz-3.0.iso
>
> I did not use these in VMs, but on a spare bare metal machine we now have
> available.  There is not going to be any difference if you run from CD in
> live mode, or if you install on hard drive, since in either case they both
> load directly to memory.  I don't use VMs for this stuff in the interests
> of eliminating as many variables as possible.
>
> I made no modification whatever to Slitaz, but on Tiny Core, using the
> terminal, was unable to cd to the USB drive on which I had placed Media.  I
> therefore installed PCManFM from the repository, which brought down a
> modest bunch of dependencies, including Gtk2, all of which went by in a
> flash.  I didn't make a note of the others but can find out what they were
> if anyone is interested.
>
> It would be nice to know what people think should be tested for to make
> this rigorous.  What I did was two things.  First, some minimal exercise of
> the IDE.  Created a new mainstack, dragged objects onto it, resized them.
> This worked fine.  The font (yes, singular is intended) could be resized
> fine.  The dictionary displayed and worked fine.  You can alternate between
> IDE and browse mode.  Buttons work.  Second thing was, when I had a stack,
> I then moved it to another virtual desktop, popped over to the virtual
> desktop and clicked it.  It instantly went back to the first one, where
> Media was open.  So virtual desktops do not work here.
>
> It does not look like the problems could be missing dependencies.  Rev
> seems to work exactly the same if its in one of these totally minimalist
> environments, including with Tiny Core which has out of the box almost
> nothing the big ones have except what you absolutely have to have to run
> the kernel and a command line, or if it is full fledged and bloated like
> Gnome or KDE.
>
> The environment I have found where Rev doesn't work at all is Ion2 window
> manager.  This is actually a very nice working environment, its becoming my
> favorite.  Its a tiling and tabbing WM.  You have tiles open, and your apps
> take up the entire tile, in a tab.  The tiles sit side by side on the
> desktop.  It handles pop-up windows in an unusual way, they all appear at
> the bottom of the tile you are in.  Rev does not like this, and it crashes.
> When you get used to Ion and know the keyboard shortcuts, its simply
> superb, fast, intuitive and very easy.  You start apps from the keyboard
> with auto fill to help.  Everything else seems to work with Ion, so this
> may be an indication that Rev is not standards compliant on the desktop
> issue.
>
> So, tell me what else people want to see exercised, and I will do it, this
> is just a start.  And next week I will hopefully have time to do a full
> scale slackware install and bash around with that.  I am not all that
> lively lately, and the latest is, have a proper phone system to install....
> in addition to a server.  But we will get to it, we really will.
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 04:01:51 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:01:51 +0300
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
In-Reply-To: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4C91CEEF.2090209@gmail.com>

  On 09/16/2010 10:22 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions
> as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to
> not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to
> the mulifarious nature of Linux.
>
> I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core, the latter of which gives new meaning to
> the expression 'minimalist'.  It is gui userland Linux system in 11 Mb.  If
> we still had floppies, it would just about be deliverable on a handful.  It
> uses almost none of the standard components.  All applications have to be
> installed from repository.  Both of these distros run in memory, so they
> are super fast.
>
> If you do this at home with Tiny Core, you should probably go with 3.1,
> just out.  I used 3.0.  It has 2.6 kernel, BusyBox, Tiny X, FLTK graphical
> user interface and flwm window manager.  Without getting too far into the
> recherche details, this is not your standard distro.  This is as minimalist
> as X windows can get.  Get it here:
>
> tinycore_3.1.iso
>
> The other distribution is Slitaz, less minimalist, this has a whole 30 Mb
> and runs OpenBox, so a standard GUI, though not one most folks here may be
> familiar with.  It comes with XOrg and LXDE bits and pieces.  Midori as web
> browser, leafpad editor.  It is a usable desktop out of the box, unlike
> Tiny Core.  Get it here:
>
> slitaz-3.0.iso
>
> I did not use these in VMs, but on a spare bare metal machine we now have
> available.  There is not going to be any difference if you run from CD in
> live mode, or if you install on hard drive, since in either case they both
> load directly to memory.  I don't use VMs for this stuff in the interests
> of eliminating as many variables as possible.
>
> I made no modification whatever to Slitaz, but on Tiny Core, using the
> terminal, was unable to cd to the USB drive on which I had placed Media.  I
> therefore installed PCManFM from the repository, which brought down a
> modest bunch of dependencies, including Gtk2, all of which went by in a
> flash.  I didn't make a note of the others but can find out what they were
> if anyone is interested.
>
> It would be nice to know what people think should be tested for to make
> this rigorous.  What I did was two things.  First, some minimal exercise of
> the IDE.  Created a new mainstack, dragged objects onto it, resized them.
> This worked fine.  The font (yes, singular is intended) could be resized
> fine.  The dictionary displayed and worked fine.  You can alternate between
> IDE and browse mode.  Buttons work.  Second thing was, when I had a stack,
> I then moved it to another virtual desktop, popped over to the virtual
> desktop and clicked it.  It instantly went back to the first one, where
> Media was open.  So virtual desktops do not work here.

I was unable to reproduce that; started RunRev Enterprise 4.5 on Desktop 1;
opened a new Mainstack and moved it to Desktop 2 (have 4 Virtual 
Desktops here);
clicked on the stack, and it stayed put on Desktop 2.

Ubuntu 10.10 Beta.

> It does not look like the problems could be missing dependencies.

In an ideal world ( Ha, ha! ) RunRev for Linux would come, from RunRev, 
bundled with
the necessary dependencies; or from a RunRev repository via aptitude or 
somesuch
with its dependencies so all the "cooking" would be done with a minimum 
of fuss and
user-intervention.

> Rev
> seems to work exactly the same if its in one of these totally minimalist
> environments, including with Tiny Core which has out of the box almost
> nothing the big ones have except what you absolutely have to have to run
> the kernel and a command line, or if it is full fledged and bloated like
> Gnome or KDE.
>
> The environment I have found where Rev doesn't work at all is Ion2 window
> manager.  This is actually a very nice working environment, its becoming my
> favorite.

I really wonder if it is reasonable to expect RunRev to ensure their 
product can function
on every single Window manager out there?

>   Its a tiling and tabbing WM.  You have tiles open, and your apps
> take up the entire tile, in a tab.  The tiles sit side by side on the
> desktop.  It handles pop-up windows in an unusual way, they all appear at
> the bottom of the tile you are in.  Rev does not like this, and it crashes.
> When you get used to Ion and know the keyboard shortcuts, its simply
> superb, fast, intuitive and very easy.  You start apps from the keyboard
> with auto fill to help.  Everything else seems to work with Ion, so this
> may be an indication that Rev is not standards compliant on the desktop
> issue.
>
> So, tell me what else people want to see exercised, and I will do it, this
> is just a start.  And next week I will hopefully have time to do a full
> scale slackware install and bash around with that.  I am not all that
> lively lately, and the latest is, have a proper phone system to install....
> in addition to a server.  But we will get to it, we really will.
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
>

Well; as a teacher trainer told me in the States; "Make sure you find 
something to
be nice about before you start criticising them" . . .  :)

1. I do admire your attempt to reduce things down "to the bone"; 
although "bones"
     can still differ (personally I rather like Damn Small Linux - which 
seems quiescent just now).

2. HOWEVER; if you are testing RunRev on Linux for product deployment 
(rather than
     development) I would question how many end-users are running 
barebones systems on their PCs.

2.1 I would ask the same question about Window managers/desktops, as 
most end-users will be
       using GNOME, KDE or XFCE, and a few people will be using 
Enlightenment because they favour
       eye-candy over usability.

3. I don't know if you have access to 4.5 dp-4 (I do); it has, from a 
cursory glance at least, put a lot
     of things right.

I suspect my point above are what they are because Thee and Me have 
rather different outlooks
on the whole thing:

Yours is as a "computer-programmer centred" person, and mine as an 
"end-user centred" person.

I am sure that both outlooks have to be taken into consideration.

Sorry; phone just rang - probably will write more on this later.

Love, Richmond.


From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 05:24:52 2010
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:24:52 +0200
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
In-Reply-To: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D86B69F-0915-46EA-B791-7CED2691662B@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 16 sept. 2010 ? 09:22, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :

> I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions 
> as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to 
> not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to 
> the mulifarious nature of Linux.
> 

Hi Peter,

Interesting post.

I've been  working with mini-linux too since a while.

I've stopped working with Ubuntu for different reasons,
but let's put that way :

Few of my customers were not happy and after the first "Wouah", they
started complaining on differents things....

Otherwise, there is often a lot of misunderstanding on Linux around.

First, they all share the core linux, which is more or less the same on every distro.
Then we have these collection of distrib which can be seen as supermarkets where you can ship
a whole bunch of products in one go, but it's only tools/apps put on the top of the core linux.
This can be done with packages tools available on every distro,
and if they have different names, they all do the same jobs. And if you don't find a specific app
on your distro , then search it from another distro, convert the package , and install it....


> tinycore_3.1.iso

I've worked with it, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first choice,
because the main goal of this distro is to run it on RAM with no installation.
Sure you can install it on a hard disk but then you won't find so much support
or help on this topic.... By the way, the tc forum is a very friendly one.



> slitaz-3.0.iso 

This is my choice since a while.

I've been able to do fast installations, easily packaged for every customer.
And each time I'm doing a new job, I'm building my own tools to run installs
faster and with good qualities ( one is to not miss any specific parameters in
one of those dozens of config files ). I use Rev as a front-end for my install,
and for instance, on my Mac, I have a stack where I can design the whole desktop,
I mean a desktop background image, properties of windows, appareance of the menus,the panel, populating
menus,... and doing this too with the Login window ( slim ), and have French text everywhere
( well, true a 95% ) then via a ssh connection,
in one click do the  instal or update of a user with a specific environment,
and this takes less than a second, and more, even with old PCs with 128/256 Kb of RAM,
old disks, etc....

Until now, I've blocked my customers with only one desktop, then Rev runs almost allright.
( and nobody complains as they all were microsoft's users. )
Some glitch still, but I'm a RevStudio 4.0 user... waiting for the next release.... So far,
I'm not proposing apps made by Rev to my customers ( except few games for children as gifts ),
just use it as an administration tool, but that's already a good deal for me.

In my office, I'm running a PIV box with Slitaz and all the development tools I need.
And I use it as a backup server, a svn server and building rev externals with it, and
all this with 256 Mb of RAM.


And last, few weeks ago, I was buiding a Rev stack using one my external. All this in Slitaz.
Then I make a tar file, send it to a friend ( not a computer geek ) and he could play
with the stack and the external instantly on Ubuntu !


Well, another little story :)

Regards,
Thierry







From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Thu Sep 16 06:03:53 2010
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (tekne)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:03:53 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim7tOND5EcG61+TONk7uesKSERQ0JqekbNR21uG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B7B829.2E811%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>

> * Permissions launching the file causing a problem?
No
> * Is there network activity during launch?
No. To test, I remove any script in the startup process. (I don't have any
handler in the main stack and in the only cd (splashscreen) of the main
stack.)
The task manager gives 25% CPU activity during startup assigned to my
standalone. When the splash screen appears (the only cd of the main stack)
the CPU activity goes to 0%.
The same behaviour on different PCs with win 7.
> 
> * Are there are lot of files being accessed at application startup?
No file accessed
> 
> * Anti-Virus settings set way too high?
No antivirus is on

I tried the execution in safe mode too. Nothing changes.
I think that the problem is related to the number of substacks but I don't
know what the engine makes at startup.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance  
Riccardo




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 06:21:43 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:21:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
In-Reply-To: <4C91CEEF.2090209@gmail.com>
References: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<4C91CEEF.2090209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1284632503681-2541893.post@n4.nabble.com>


Richmond, I am just trying to find out if there ARE any dependencies of note
that will not be included in most any distro.  I think the answer is
probably no based on this.  I do not expect anyone to use these distros in
anger, except for embedded systems.

I also wanted to  know, were any of the problems extinguished by lack of
apps and libraries.  The answer to that one seems to be no.

I think the answer is, the problems are intrinsic to the basic way Rev on
Linux has been implemented.

As for Ion, I do not think Rev should be made to work with all WMs.  I think
it should be standards compliant, and if it is, it will work on all.  I
think Ion is a fair test of this.  Make it work on Ion, and it will be
standards compliant and will work on all.  If its not standard compliant,
then, as now, it will work partly, and on some.  What we want is standards
compliance.
-- 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 07:34:49 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:34:49 +0300
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
In-Reply-To: <1284632503681-2541893.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<4C91CEEF.2090209@gmail.com>
	<1284632503681-2541893.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4C9200D9.2020905@gmail.com>

  On 09/16/2010 01:21 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Richmond, I am just trying to find out if there ARE any dependencies of note
> that will not be included in most any distro.  I think the answer is
> probably no based on this.  I do not expect anyone to use these distros in
> anger, except for embedded systems.
>
> I also wanted to  know, were any of the problems extinguished by lack of
> apps and libraries.  The answer to that one seems to be no.
>
> I think the answer is, the problems are intrinsic to the basic way Rev on
> Linux has been implemented.

Quite; see obs. sub.

> As for Ion, I do not think Rev should be made to work with all WMs.  I think
> it should be standards compliant, and if it is, it will work on all.  I
> think Ion is a fair test of this.  Make it work on Ion, and it will be
> standards compliant and will work on all.  If its not standard compliant,
> then, as now, it will work partly, and on some.  What we want is standards
> compliance.

I suspect that, to get RunRev on Linux standards compliant 'someone'
will have to go back to square one and build the whole thing all over again.

Just possibly RunRev for Linux is a bit like Windows Millennium ( !!!!!! );
insofar as Windows Millennium was built on top of 98, on top of 95, on top
of 3.1 and so on; and RunRev 4+ for Linux is built on a series of things 
going
all the way back to the Linux Metacard engine when things in the Linux
world were very different.

Now, I cannot see the folk in Edinburgh feeling that is really worth all 
that
effort, especially considering the share RunRev on Linux must have of their
overall sales (well? 1 copy to you, and one to me at the RunRev 2009 
conference ???).

Therefore we might be more sensible to live with what we have (which, 
after all, is far from bad)
and work to improve it.


From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 09:15:53 2010
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:15:53 +0200
Subject: using datagrid with revmobile
In-Reply-To: <C8B75CD4.D569%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <AANLkTi=9pmEtEFM5rtajS7v_TgSv96Jcryu3vJm6j3FB@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B75CD4.D569%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6Bw3ehrETq0m73BkBmOAMMotV=BgCkDHj9tF6@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,
 exept the scrolling, all the other feautures of the datagrid library work
in the mobile applications?
I tryed and seems to work.
Thanks a lot,
Paolo


From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 09:24:59 2010
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:24:59 +0200
Subject: iphoneRotateInterface command in mobile apps
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7T7aoVqib7pPrXFihsyKwhOXGv1OwUu4117bD@mail.gmail.com>

Building a mobile applicantion,  I place in the openStack handler the
command " iphoneRotateInterface "landscape left"  " in order to rotate the
application accordingly.

Any time I open the stack from the Revolution IDE, i get an error message
because Rev does not accept this command.

How can I avoid this?

Still, once the application is compiled, it works fine.

All the best

Paolo Mazza


From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Sep 16 09:42:35 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:42:35 +0100
Subject: iphoneRotateInterface command in mobile apps
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim7T7aoVqib7pPrXFihsyKwhOXGv1OwUu4117bD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B7DD5B.1451C%kevin@runrev.com>

On 16/09/2010 14:24, "paolo mazza" <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com> wrote:

> Building a mobile applicantion,  I place in the openStack handler the
> command " iphoneRotateInterface "landscape left"  " in order to rotate the
> application accordingly.
> 
> Any time I open the stack from the Revolution IDE, i get an error message
> because Rev does not accept this command.
> 
> How can I avoid this?
> 
> Still, once the application is compiled, it works fine.

We'll be performing an update to fix this before the shipping version. But
in the mean time you can do this:

if the environment is "mobile" then
  iphoneRotateInterface "landscape left"
end if

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Thu Sep 16 09:51:46 2010
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:51:46 +0200
Subject: [FOSS] On the creation of Rev to Web tools
Message-ID: <DB8AF43F-B3D3-49FC-A026-0BE8E6434961@id.uzh.ch>

Andre,

This all sounds phantastic !
Great idea !

I don't know if I can help, but I will if I can !

Please keep us up to date on this !

Cheers
Rolf




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 10:05:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:05:43 +0300
Subject: Pass that bottle to me!
Message-ID: <4C922437.3050207@gmail.com>

  Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine
Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine
Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De
Pass that bottle to me!

I would be grateful for as much support as possible to get PNG rendering 
sorted out in WINE
so that RunRev for Windows runs 100% under it:

http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=9642

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 16 11:25:19 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:25:19 -0700
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
Message-ID: <4C9236DF.5080902@fourthworld.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> As for Ion, I do not think Rev should be made to work with all WMs.  I think
> it should be standards compliant, and if it is, it will work on all.

Sounds good in principle, but in practice have you ever try to run 
Google Earth with Compiz?

Sometimes "standards" take a while get standardized.

I like many things about Ion that are very interesting (inspiring for 
some Rev script editor/object browser ideas), but givens its, shall we 
say, "mixed" development history I can't help but wonder if it's really 
the best test case to use here: the author has since abandoned open 
source and Linux altogether, and no distro ships with it as its default 
choice (I don't think any even include it).  It's a nice work, but I'm 
not sure it's the best choice for testing "standards".

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From massung at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 11:42:00 2010
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:42:00 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B7B829.2E811%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <AANLkTim7tOND5EcG61+TONk7uesKSERQ0JqekbNR21uG@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B7B829.2E811%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=AOyCvZ14Rp7NikY5UPhyM2UCxemXvvmc6FwhK@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:03 AM, tekne <tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> wrote:

>
> > * Is there network activity during launch?
> No. To test, I remove any script in the startup process. (I don't have any
> handler in the main stack and in the only cd (splashscreen) of the main
> stack.)
>


Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I'm not really talking about network activity
directed by the application, as opposed to network activity that is
happening as a consequence of launching the application at all. Try a
networking monitoring program. I'm sure there are free/shareware versions
out there, but something like Solar Winds' Orion Network Performance
Monitor. The concern is that it is a setting in the OS. For example, launch
an application, and it sends off a request to Microsoft to check a database
for whether or not the application is "okay" or not (again, that's just a
crazy example). If there is activity, a network monitor/packet sniffer will
let you know what application is doing it, what site it's hitting, and what
data is being sent.



> > * Are there are lot of files being accessed at application startup?
> No file accessed
>

This is the same as the network monitoring. Something like FileMon. Rev
loads DLLs on startup, and it's possible that opening those is causing a
problem, or the act of opening them is causing network activity or they are
doing something else when being loaded. Probably not, but it's an easy test
to confirm.

There are also process monitoring tools out there that you can use to test
the same things. Just launch your app and watch the process monitor. Are 20
new processes launched all doing something very suspicious under the hood
that you just can't see?

Sorry none of the other suggestions panned out for you, though. :-(

Jeff M.
<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 16 12:09:00 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:09:00 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=AOyCvZ14Rp7NikY5UPhyM2UCxemXvvmc6FwhK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim7tOND5EcG61+TONk7uesKSERQ0JqekbNR21uG@mail.gmail.com>	<C8B7B829.2E811%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<AANLkTi=AOyCvZ14Rp7NikY5UPhyM2UCxemXvvmc6FwhK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C92411C.3040207@hyperactivesw.com>

 > On 9/16/10 10:42 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: <snip good stuff>

Jeff, thanks for your help, and thanks to everyone else who posted too. 
Now that Riccardo is on the list he can respond directly to questions, 
which is much better than me trying to serve as intermediary. I hope you 
smart people can help him figure out what the problem is. It doesn't 
seem to be universal, but I do agree it appears to be some kind of OS 
settings -- especially since the one and only other report we've had 
about it was solved by a reinstall of Win7.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Sep 16 13:12:13 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:12:13 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <20100916170005.08CBB2884DE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100916170005.08CBB2884DE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>

Hi Riccardo, welcome to the lists.

A couple of things to try:

on openstack
  lock messages
end openStack

-- you will need to remove this later otherwise the app will not operate. 

Do things speed up when you include this?

Do you have many controls on your card? Especially a couple of Datagrids? 
Do you connect to any Database?

Does it only happen in a standalone or in the IDE too?


All the best,

Malte *inthemoodtohuntcritters*


From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Thu Sep 16 13:56:07 2010
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (tekne)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:56:07 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>

Hi Malte, I follow this list and the improve-revolution list from many years
and I am an happy user of your chartsEngine.
Hi Jeff and everybody who posted too.

I think that Jeff is right!
But for me the problem is related to the rev engine and I have no tool to
solve it.
I removed every script from the startup process of the app and I see always
the splash screen after 60 seconds and more.
The connection to the DB was in the openstack (so after the stack is
showed), but now it's removed for testing purpose.

In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN pre 7
version (also with Vista)

Only if I try to remove substack the launch time decreases and when I have
'only' 20-25 substacks is almost normal.
But this is not a solution.
I don't know if I have to use the QCC to submit a bug. But if it is a bug,
it is a serious bug that restrict the use of rev.

Thanks for your suggestion in advance
Riccardo

> Da: Malte Pfaff-Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>
> Risposta: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Data: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:12:13 +0200
> A: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Oggetto: Re: Slow launch times on Windows 7
> 
> Hi Riccardo, welcome to the lists.
> 
> A couple of things to try:
> 
> on openstack
>   lock messages
> end openStack
> 
> -- you will need to remove this later otherwise the app will not operate.
> 
> Do things speed up when you include this?
> 
> Do you have many controls on your card? Especially a couple of Datagrids?
> Do you connect to any Database?
> 
> Does it only happen in a standalone or in the IDE too?
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Malte *inthemoodtohuntcritters*
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 14:37:16 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:37:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rev on two minimalist Linux distros
In-Reply-To: <4C9236DF.5080902@fourthworld.com>
References: <201009160822.26402.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<4C9236DF.5080902@fourthworld.com>
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" It's a nice work, but I'm not sure it's the best choice for testing
"standards". "

No, agreed. Or rather, admitted!  But Rev should however work with tiling
window managers, as long as everything else does with them.  If it did, it
would probably do virtual desktops right as well.  No, this is not a big
deal, the surprising thing was how well it works with almost nothing
standard installed except Gtk2.  That is on tiny core.  So whatever is going
wrong, it cannot be missing dependencies, can it?
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 14:42:38 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:42:38 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne <tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> wrote:

Riccardo,

> In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
> stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
> NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN pre 7
> version (also with Vista)

Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your project.
For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:

   repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
      put tSubstack && the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
stack & cr after msg
   end repeat

If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
true, try to set them to false and launch again.

Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images


Regards,
-- 
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 15:34:19 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] O'Reilly eBook deal of the day (cookbooks for 9 USD)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimoFr7fZGj1wB0HYJ3tiO-aMkmyqDrxCq1NYrWP@mail.gmail.com>
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Andre, thanks so much for this.  I picked up Bash, Python and Web.  Now it is
only a question of finding the energy to work through them.  As the poet
said (or rather the parody of him said):  As we get older, we do not get any
younger...

Peter
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 15:37:32 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:37:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
	<AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
	<65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1284665852284-2542837.post@n4.nabble.com>


Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables as
csv....?   Am I missing something to do with relations?

Peter
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep 16 16:25:23 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:25:23 -0700
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <1284665852284-2542837.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
	<AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
	<65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>
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Message-ID: <3DA5F7D3-AA1D-4F6D-B9E5-680E4ECA08EA@twft.com>

To my knowledge, it exports just the tables and indexes. It may also export relationships, I don't know. I just know that after I purchased it, I was a bit disappointed because I thought I could take a fully functional Filemaker Database, complete with forms and everything, and it would create a fully functional revolution stack for me. Perhaps my expectations were a bit hi. 

Things may have improved since then. At the time the developer told me that there was no easy way to get information about forms from Filemaker in any kind of meaningful way, but perhaps he has that figured out now. 

Also be aware, (and I don't want to sound too negative) but apparently there were some issues with my data, and I never even got the tables ported. I think it had something to do with blank data or carriage returns or something. 

As far as CSV, if there are any delimiters in your data in Filemaker, such as commas, quotes, tabs or returns, a CSV export will be very problematic. You should first try to convert anything that might be be construed as a delimiter in your filemaker data to some other character, or unlikely combination of characters, so that whatever you use to import with can convert them back before shipping them off to an SQL database. This is just the nature of export/import with dissimilar data structures. 

Bob

 
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> 
> Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables as
> csv....?   Am I missing something to do with relations?
> 
> Peter
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 16:32:46 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:32:46 -0500
Subject: Server Side Database Advice
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6aTH+urf=wMXCJic6cZqTLX79SivSGJO20tm2@mail.gmail.com>

I am developing software that needs to pass information to a centralized
MySQL database.  My current host started blocking connections as they said
the MySQL database was for web applications only and had an issue with
updating it with an application.  Plus they only allowed a few concurrent
connections.

Anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this or experience with a
host that didn't have any issues with this?

Thanks!
Warren


From johncanmail-all at yahoo.it  Thu Sep 16 16:33:12 2010
From: johncanmail-all at yahoo.it (Giovanni Cannizzaro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:33:12 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=v_6G4dmf50Kkok_PehJGnEVXNjHyxru+g80oG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<AANLkTi=v_6G4dmf50Kkok_PehJGnEVXNjHyxru+g80oG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C927F08.4070702@yahoo.it>

  Il 16/09/2010 20.42, zryip theSlug ha scritto:
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne<tekne at gruppoparentesi.it>  wrote:
>
> Riccardo,
>
>> In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
>> stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
>> NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN pre 7
>> version (also with Vista)
> Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your project.
> For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:
>
>     repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
>        put tSubstack&&  the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
> stack&  cr after msg
>     end repeat
>
> If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
> true, try to set them to false and launch again.
>
> Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images
>
>
> Regards,
mmmhhh...
a parte il fatto che non ho capito bene esattamente a cosa serve questa 
propriet? (la guida non ? molto chiara al riguardo) ho fatto uno 
scriptino per settarla a false su tutti gli stack e su tutte le immagini 
di tutte le card di tutti gli stack.
Il fatto ? che non so bene interpretare gli effetti...
Mentre sotto Vista il tempo si caricamento ? drasticamente sceso (in 3 
tentativi di avvio) da 31 secondi a 16 (il 50%... mi sembra un ottimo 
risultato) nella macchina virtuale con Seven ho ottenuto solo 30 secondi 
di risparmio sui 4 minuti dell'avvio precedente. Solo un 12.5% di 
guadagno temporale che per? non so dire fino a che punto ? reale data la 
"virtualit?" XD XD del mezzo di prova.

Per? potrebbe essere una base di partenza, volendo capire prima l'esatto 
impatto di questa propriet? sul software.

Buona serata


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 16 16:36:42 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:36:42 -0700
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <3DA5F7D3-AA1D-4F6D-B9E5-680E4ECA08EA@twft.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
	<AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
	<65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>
	<1284665852284-2542837.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3DA5F7D3-AA1D-4F6D-B9E5-680E4ECA08EA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUH8WHC-xG8mb9FsQ4Wk=XPCYvYor81Eq2Dgf2@mail.gmail.com>

Filemaker tabbed delimited export converts returns to vertical tab
characters. You can still retain your returns.

On 16 September 2010 13:25, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> To my knowledge, it exports just the tables and indexes. It may also export
> relationships, I don't know. I just know that after I purchased it, I was a
> bit disappointed because I thought I could take a fully functional Filemaker
> Database, complete with forms and everything, and it would create a fully
> functional revolution stack for me. Perhaps my expectations were a bit hi.
>
> Things may have improved since then. At the time the developer told me that
> there was no easy way to get information about forms from Filemaker in any
> kind of meaningful way, but perhaps he has that figured out now.
>
> Also be aware, (and I don't want to sound too negative) but apparently
> there were some issues with my data, and I never even got the tables ported.
> I think it had something to do with blank data or carriage returns or
> something.
>
> As far as CSV, if there are any delimiters in your data in Filemaker, such
> as commas, quotes, tabs or returns, a CSV export will be very problematic.
> You should first try to convert anything that might be be construed as a
> delimiter in your filemaker data to some other character, or unlikely
> combination of characters, so that whatever you use to import with can
> convert them back before shipping them off to an SQL database. This is just
> the nature of export/import with dissimilar data structures.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>
> >
> > Bob, are you saying, just the tables...?   So why not export the tables
> as
> > csv....?   Am I missing something to do with relations?
> >
> > Peter
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Getting-started-with-databases-tp2540312p2542837.html
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 16 16:40:28 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:40:28 -0700
Subject: Server Side Database Advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=6aTH+urf=wMXCJic6cZqTLX79SivSGJO20tm2@mail.gmail.com>
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Change hosts or use a cgi interface, not a direct connection.

On 16 September 2010 13:32, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am developing software that needs to pass information to a centralized
> MySQL database.  My current host started blocking connections as they said
> the MySQL database was for web applications only and had an issue with
> updating it with an application.  Plus they only allowed a few concurrent
> connections.
>
> Anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this or experience with a
> host that didn't have any issues with this?
>
> Thanks!
> Warren
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 17:27:34 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:27:34 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C927F08.4070702@yahoo.it>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro
<johncanmail-all at yahoo.it> wrote:
> ?Il 16/09/2010 20.42, zryip theSlug ha scritto:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne<tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> ?wrote:
>>
>> Riccardo,
>>
>>> In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
>>> stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
>>> NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN
>>> pre 7
>>> version (also with Vista)
>>
>> Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your
>> project.
>> For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:
>>
>> ? ?repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
>> ? ? ? put tSubstack&& ?the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
>> stack& ?cr after msg
>> ? ?end repeat
>>
>> If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
>> true, try to set them to false and launch again.
>>
>> Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images
>>
>>
>> Regards,


Giovanni,

I'm not an italian speaker so I'm going to reply in english.

> mmmhhh...
> a parte il fatto che non ho capito bene esattamente a cosa serve questa
> propriet? (la guida non ? molto chiara al riguardo) ho fatto uno scriptino
> per settarla a false su tutti gli stack e su tutte le immagini di tutte le
> card di tutti gli stack.

The alwaysbuffer property corresponds to the checkbox "Preload in
memory". You have this checkbox for image and the property exists also
for stacks. In my knowledge this property doesn't exists for card.
To win performances in using stacks, images and probably objects,
Runrev preload them in memory. I'm not a specialist of this, and you
could have better and accurate explanation of this property by more
experienced members of this list.
By default the alwaysbuffer property of a new stack or a new image, is
set to false

> Il fatto ? che non so bene interpretare gli effetti...
> Mentre sotto Vista il tempo si caricamento ? drasticamente sceso (in 3
> tentativi di avvio) da 31 secondi a 16 (il 50%... mi sembra un ottimo
> risultato) nella macchina virtuale con Seven ho ottenuto solo 30 secondi di
> risparmio sui 4 minuti dell'avvio precedente. Solo un 12.5% di guadagno
> temporale che per? non so dire fino a che punto ? reale data la "virtualit?"
> XD XD del mezzo di prova.

If I understand well, by setting the alwaysbuffer to false :
- in Vista you have reduced the start time by 50%
- in Seven, 12,5%

You run Seven on a virtual machine? VMWare, the Microsoft virtual
machine or an other way?
It seems to me that in a virtual machine, the memory allowed is
managed differently.
Have you tried in a native Seven?

> Per? potrebbe essere una base di partenza, volendo capire prima l'esatto
> impatto di questa propriet? sul software.

I'm not going to speculate. I will let the people who have more
experience than me answer. I thought to the "preload in memory"
property more by feeling than by experience.
I hope that it will be a good start to solve your problem.


Regards,
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep 16 18:09:55 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:09:55 -0700
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUH8WHC-xG8mb9FsQ4Wk=XPCYvYor81Eq2Dgf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
	<AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
	<65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>
	<1284665852284-2542837.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3DA5F7D3-AA1D-4F6D-B9E5-680E4ECA08EA@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinUH8WHC-xG8mb9FsQ4Wk=XPCYvYor81Eq2Dgf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81A84449-7F9C-45E9-860A-E9B562F01BC8@twft.com>

Aye, but we were talking about CSV, Comma Separated Values I think is what it stands for. 

Bob


On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:36 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Filemaker tabbed delimited export converts returns to vertical tab
> characters. You can still retain your returns.



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 18:49:14 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:49:14 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcFf9TmZCi7UvyS8E1D5k4wQ5PrYmPYw4oFLY8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:27 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Giovanni Cannizzaro
> <johncanmail-all at yahoo.it> wrote:
>> ?Il 16/09/2010 20.42, zryip theSlug ha scritto:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM, tekne<tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> Riccardo,
>>>
>>>> In my app I have about 130 substacks with an image substack and a lot of
>>>> stack using datagrid. (rev file is about 45 MB)
>>>> NO problem in the IDE and with the standalone in Mac, Linux and in WIN
>>>> pre 7
>>>> version (also with Vista)
>>>
>>> Try to expertise the alwaysBuffer property of each substacks of your
>>> project.
>>> For doing that, execute a script like this one in the main stack:
>>>
>>> ? ?repeat for each line tSubstack in the substacks of this stack
>>> ? ? ? put tSubstack&& ?the alwaysbuffer of stack tSubstack of this
>>> stack& ?cr after msg
>>> ? ?end repeat
>>>
>>> If the alwaysBuffer property of several of the substacks is set to
>>> true, try to set them to false and launch again.
>>>
>>> Check also the alwaysBuffer property of your images
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>
>
> Giovanni,
>
> I'm not an italian speaker so I'm going to reply in english.
>
>> mmmhhh...
>> a parte il fatto che non ho capito bene esattamente a cosa serve questa
>> propriet? (la guida non ? molto chiara al riguardo) ho fatto uno scriptino
>> per settarla a false su tutti gli stack e su tutte le immagini di tutte le
>> card di tutti gli stack.
>
> The alwaysbuffer property corresponds to the checkbox "Preload in
> memory". You have this checkbox for image and the property exists also
> for stacks. In my knowledge this property doesn't exists for card.
> To win performances in using stacks, images and probably objects,
> Runrev preload them in memory. I'm not a specialist of this, and you
> could have better and accurate explanation of this property by more
> experienced members of this list.
> By default the alwaysbuffer property of a new stack or a new image, is
> set to false
>
>> Il fatto ? che non so bene interpretare gli effetti...
>> Mentre sotto Vista il tempo si caricamento ? drasticamente sceso (in 3
>> tentativi di avvio) da 31 secondi a 16 (il 50%... mi sembra un ottimo
>> risultato) nella macchina virtuale con Seven ho ottenuto solo 30 secondi di
>> risparmio sui 4 minuti dell'avvio precedente. Solo un 12.5% di guadagno
>> temporale che per? non so dire fino a che punto ? reale data la "virtualit?"
>> XD XD del mezzo di prova.
>
> If I understand well, by setting the alwaysbuffer to false :
> - in Vista you have reduced the start time by 50%
> - in Seven, 12,5%
>
> You run Seven on a virtual machine? VMWare, the Microsoft virtual
> machine or an other way?
> It seems to me that in a virtual machine, the memory allowed is
> managed differently.
> Have you tried in a native Seven?
>
>> Per? potrebbe essere una base di partenza, volendo capire prima l'esatto
>> impatto di questa propriet? sul software.
>
> I'm not going to speculate. I will let the people who have more
> experience than me answer. I thought to the "preload in memory"
> property more by feeling than by experience.
> I hope that it will be a good start to solve your problem.


That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
installation of Seven and not by a code modification.

With the alwaysBuffer property we have a clue that the problem could
be linked to how the memory is managed by Seven, or/and by Rev in
Seven.

Is it a Seven 64bits or 32bits?

Have you checked the RAM of your PC?
In Seven (and Vista as well) you can check the RAM by executing the "MdSched"
command. This tool is also available in the admin tools of windows. Not sure
of the name of the application. I have no Seven at this moment


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 16 18:58:34 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:58:34 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=aYpiadu1+if6_9Zp6eBcUgpLWeOOb8tDGXwLr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>	<AANLkTi=v_6G4dmf50Kkok_PehJGnEVXNjHyxru+g80oG@mail.gmail.com>	<4C927F08.4070702@yahoo.it>	<AANLkTimcFf9TmZCi7UvyS8E1D5k4wQ5PrYmPYw4oFLY8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=aYpiadu1+if6_9Zp6eBcUgpLWeOOb8tDGXwLr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C92A11A.80902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
> installation of Seven and not by a code modification.

Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) 
had one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it 
by reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find 
the root cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Thu Sep 16 18:59:08 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:59:08 -1000
Subject: How to get environment VARS in iRev
Message-ID: <4C92A13C.9010004@hindu.org>

  I need to be able to grab the standard web server runtime environment 
variables in iRev pages.

a string like this:

<input name="SourceURL" value="<!--#echo var="REQUEST_URI" -->" 
type="hidden" />

is not processed by iRev.... the apache include module is not active.

What are our iRev options?

I tried

<?rev

put $REQUEST_URI

?>

on my test page, just see if the environment vars are available, but got 
nada.

any help there?

Sivakatirswami



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 19:15:33 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:15:33 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C92A11A.80902@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<AANLkTi=v_6G4dmf50Kkok_PehJGnEVXNjHyxru+g80oG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C927F08.4070702@yahoo.it>
	<AANLkTimcFf9TmZCi7UvyS8E1D5k4wQ5PrYmPYw4oFLY8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=aYpiadu1+if6_9Zp6eBcUgpLWeOOb8tDGXwLr@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C92A11A.80902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOV0R8FanWEKsXeZq3QnxQmWbpSo3cTxyWwpS9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
>> installation of Seven and not by a code modification.
>
> Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) had
> one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it by
> reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find the root
> cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(

Ah thanks Jacque. I'm confusing things.

In the case of Riccardo he has an application of 45MB and as far as I
have understood Giovanni with my rudimentary italian (and google ;)),
buffered or not the stacks in memory, has a significative impact on
Vista (50%) and less impact on Seven (12.5%).

Do you know the size of the application of the other customer who has
encountered the problem?




Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep 16 19:16:30 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:16:30 +1000
Subject: How to get environment VARS in iRev
In-Reply-To: <4C92A13C.9010004@hindu.org>
References: <4C92A13C.9010004@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <9C6F5ACA-2972-486F-AF6F-23FBC3D11BFF@sweattechnologies.com>

put the globalNames to see what's available

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 19:31:35 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:31:35 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOV0R8FanWEKsXeZq3QnxQmWbpSo3cTxyWwpS9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<AANLkTi=v_6G4dmf50Kkok_PehJGnEVXNjHyxru+g80oG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C927F08.4070702@yahoo.it>
	<AANLkTimcFf9TmZCi7UvyS8E1D5k4wQ5PrYmPYw4oFLY8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=aYpiadu1+if6_9Zp6eBcUgpLWeOOb8tDGXwLr@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C92A11A.80902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikOV0R8FanWEKsXeZq3QnxQmWbpSo3cTxyWwpS9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-gC-sXdAQpz7UW2gGqzjyqHz0cyoo7dFeujg-@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>>> That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
>>> installation of Seven and not by a code modification.
>>
>> Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) had
>> one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it by
>> reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find the root
>> cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(

If Ricardo can install a new Seven on another PC and try a launch of
his application in it, we could be sure that he has the same problem
than the other customer. So it could be a good mean to confirm a
system problem or exclude this possibility.
In my experience on supporting things, sometimes you think to have an
identical symptom but you have several causes.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 16 19:50:08 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:50:08 -0700
Subject: How to get environment VARS in iRev
In-Reply-To: <4C92A13C.9010004@hindu.org>
References: <4C92A13C.9010004@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <35135065812.20100916165008@ahsoftware.net>

Sivakatirswami-

Thursday, September 16, 2010, 3:59:08 PM, you wrote:

> What are our iRev options?

Try looking at the keys of the $_SERVER array:

put "SERVER:" && the keys of $_SERVER & "<br/>"

You can then pick out individual elements as in:

put $_SERVER[HTTP_REFERER]

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Sep 16 21:32:50 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:32:50 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
Message-ID: <4C92C542.4000508@pdslabs.net>

  I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide 
presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to reveal 
what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell() command for 
this that can be run from Rev?

Thanks!
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep 16 21:41:30 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:41:30 -0300
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <4C92C542.4000508@pdslabs.net>
References: <4C92C542.4000508@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>

You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken it.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

>  I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide
> presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
> reveal what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell()
> command for this that can be run from Rev?
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 16 22:08:12 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:08:12 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C92C542.4000508@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77143350500.20100916190812@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Thursday, September 16, 2010, 6:41:30 PM, you wrote:

> You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken it.

Oooooo... sneaky...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Sep 16 22:10:23 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:10:23 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C92C542.4000508@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C92CE0F.5090801@pdslabs.net>

  Outrageous! Very cool. Thanks Andre.
Phil



On 9/16/10 6:41 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken it.
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Phil Davis<revdev at pdslabs.net>  wrote:
>
>>   I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide
>> presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
>> reveal what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell()
>> command for this that can be run from Rev?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> Phil Davis
>>
>> PDS Labs
>> Professional Software Development
>> http://pdslabs.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 01:35:52 2010
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:35:52 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-gC-sXdAQpz7UW2gGqzjyqHz0cyoo7dFeujg-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5A4F65-ED40-4038-A3E4-826BF22CD5CD@derbrill.de>
	<C8B826D7.2E86E%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<AANLkTi=v_6G4dmf50Kkok_PehJGnEVXNjHyxru+g80oG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C927F08.4070702@yahoo.it>
	<AANLkTimcFf9TmZCi7UvyS8E1D5k4wQ5PrYmPYw4oFLY8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=aYpiadu1+if6_9Zp6eBcUgpLWeOOb8tDGXwLr@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C92A11A.80902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikOV0R8FanWEKsXeZq3QnxQmWbpSo3cTxyWwpS9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim-gC-sXdAQpz7UW2gGqzjyqHz0cyoo7dFeujg-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CB04AC9-88EC-4147-9414-39E160C0393D@gmail.com>

I don't know if it is related but Mark Schonewille advised me to 'set dontuseQT to true' on startup on a very slow app on Win7 (core2duo with 2 Gb ram). It worked perfectly! 

Greetings,

William

-----
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 17 sep. 2010 om 01:31 heeft zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, J. Landman Gay
>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/16/10 5:49 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That seems not logical here if your problem could be solved by a new
>>>> installation of Seven and not by a code modification.
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, the tech queue (I work there for a couple hours daily) had
>>> one other RR customer who reported the same problem and he solved it by
>>> reinstalling Win7. Riccardo did not reinstall, he is trying to find the root
>>> cause instead. That appears to be difficult to do. :(
> 
> If Ricardo can install a new Seven on another PC and try a launch of
> his application in it, we could be sure that he has the same problem
> than the other customer. So it could be a good mean to confirm a
> system problem or exclude this possibility.
> In my experience on supporting things, sometimes you think to have an
> identical symptom but you have several causes.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From tereza at califex.com  Fri Sep 17 01:39:01 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:39:01 -0500
Subject: XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY
Message-ID: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>

Hi all,

In Rev (version 4.0) on a Mac :

1. Build an xml file starting with a 'shell' :
    put revCreateXMLTree( encodeUtf8( merge(fld "XMLshell")), true,true,false) into tmp
    
    1a. the shell has the header: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>

    1b. the encodeUtf8 function:
         return uniDecode(uniEncode(pStr,"UTF8"),"english")
    
2. I add about a thousand nodes to the xml. (It's a branching survey.)
    
3. I save it with:  put tXML into URL ("file:" & tDestinationFilePath) 
    where tDestinationFilePath is a local file

4. The file is copied to a remote server

5. I download it in a Rev app via FTP (using libURL)

6. In the app, I make a new xml tree: 
    put revCreateXMLTree( tXML, false, true, false) into tTreeID
    
    6a I 'score' the survey by updating attributes and contents,

    6b I put the xml into a variable:
         put encodeUtf8( revXMLText( tID ,,true)) into tData

    6c I save it back to the FTP server.
    
7. I download the file as in step 5 and work with it and save it via FTP, ad infinitum
    
=============================
    ALL THE ABOVE STEPS WORK RELIABLY
=============================

Now I want to alter the sequence to store the scored survey xml in a MySQL database :

1. As above

2. As above

3. As above

4. As above

5. As above

6. As above

   6a As above
   
   6b I upload the scored survey to a MySQL database on the remote server, first escaping it:
	   put revXMLText( gTaxoDataA[gCurrentSlot][kID] ,,true) into tXML
	   replace "\" with "\\" in tXML
	   replace quote with "\" & quote in tXML
	   replace "'" with "\'" in tXML
	   replace tab with "\t" in tXML
	   replace cr with "\n" in tXML
	   put encodeUtf8( tXML ) into tData
	   
    6c I use INSERT to put tData into a column named "xml" in the MySQL database
    
    6d Using other tools like Navicat, I see that the xml column does indeed contain the xml
  
7. I use a SELECT statement to retreive the xml, and attempt to make an xml tree again BUT no matter what I do with encoding or decoding or whatever, I get this error from revCreateXMLTree:

    "xmlerr, can't parse xml no root element"


--> If I load the file from the first sequence into BBEdit, BBEdit reports that it is utf8, with "Unix (LF)" line endings.

--> If save the xml I get back from the MySQL in the second sequence--as a file or a binfile--and load the file into BBEdit, BBEdit reports that it is utf8, with "Classic Mac (CR)" line endings.

I thought, "Oh boy! thats it!" but NO. 

I replaced numToChar(13) with numToChar(10) in the xml from MySQL, but still the same error on attempting to make an xml tree. 

The xml itself looks identical and BBEdit says there are no differences, but it also says there are about 7000 more characters in the MySQL version! What's up with that?

Does anything stand out to those of you who have used MySQL? and revXML? and utf8? 

Is there hope?

t




-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 17 01:53:05 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:53:05 -0700
Subject: XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY
In-Reply-To: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>
References: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>
Message-ID: <30156843656.20100916225305@ahsoftware.net>

Tereza-

Thursday, September 16, 2010, 10:39:01 PM, you wrote:

> Does anything stand out to those of you who have used MySQL? and revXML? and utf8?

I haven't used that combination, particularly the utf8 part, but off
the top of my head, I'd say one problem looks like MySQL is making
crlf pairs from your cr characters. When you say that you're using an
insert command to put the data into the database, are you storing it
as a BLOB?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Fri Sep 17 03:37:44 2010
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (tekne)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:37:44 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-gC-sXdAQpz7UW2gGqzjyqHz0cyoo7dFeujg-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B8E768.2E8BE%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>


> If Ricardo can install a new Seven on another PC and try a launch of
> his application in it, we could be sure that he has the same problem
> than the other customer. So it could be a good mean to confirm a
> system problem or exclude this possibility.

I have executed my app on four different PCs with native Win 7. The
behaviour is the same.

As I say to Jacqueline that has managed tech support ticket, in one PC I
have tried to defragment the HD and to update the video drivers but the
lunch time is always over 60 seconds.
I can't try any code because the problem is related to the time to open the
first cd of the rev mainstack, and I have no code activated before.

I think it is related with the rev engine behaviour and the memory
nmanagement of win 7. If it is so, I can only try to modify same properties
of the rev objects involve the startup process (like alwaysbuffer).
But I am not sure

Riccardo




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 04:51:48 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:51:48 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B8E768.2E8BE%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <AANLkTim-gC-sXdAQpz7UW2gGqzjyqHz0cyoo7dFeujg-@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B8E768.2E8BE%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-FqN3ZGHKcDThqamUqxdDNxjpwp7QhP-0UwvH@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM, tekne <tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> wrote:
>
>> If Ricardo can install a new Seven on another PC and try a launch of
>> his application in it, we could be sure that he has the same problem
>> than the other customer. So it could be a good mean to confirm a
>> system problem or exclude this possibility.
>
> I have executed my app on four different PCs with native Win 7. The
> behaviour is the same.

Ricardo,

For me this exclude RAM problems so no need to check the RAM.

>
> As I say to Jacqueline that has managed tech support ticket, in one PC I
> have tried to defragment the HD and to update the video drivers but the
> lunch time is always over 60 seconds.
> I can't try any code because the problem is related to the time to open the
> first cd of the rev mainstack, and I have no code activated before.

Have you try to run your app after changing its compatibility mode.
Follow this link.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/316-compatibility-mode.html

Could interesting to launch progressively your app with different
compatibility modes and compare the result:
- 1) with XP
- 2) Vista
- 3) Seven service pack 1
- 4) Seven service pack 2



Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Fri Sep 17 07:38:06 2010
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (tekne)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:38:06 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-FqN3ZGHKcDThqamUqxdDNxjpwp7QhP-0UwvH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B91FBE.2E8DF%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>


> For me this exclude RAM problems so no need to check the RAM.
Yes, I'm sure. I see a lot of physical memory available during and after
startup.
> 
>> 
>> As I say to Jacqueline that has managed tech support ticket, in one PC I
>> have tried to defragment the HD and to update the video drivers but the
>> lunch time is always over 60 seconds.
>> I can't try any code because the problem is related to the time to open the
>> first cd of the rev mainstack, and I have no code activated before.
> 
> Have you try to run your app after changing its compatibility mode.
> Follow this link.
> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/316-compatibility-mode.html
> 
> Could interesting to launch progressively your app with different
> compatibility modes and compare the result:
> - 1) with XP
> - 2) Vista
> - 3) Seven service pack 1
> - 4) Seven service pack 2

Yes, but no news

Thanks for your support
Riccardo




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Sep 17 08:15:07 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:15:07 -0400
Subject: XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY
In-Reply-To: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>
References: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>
Message-ID: <27AA3B3D-D55F-45E4-893D-483A865875E1@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:39 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>   6b I upload the scored survey to a MySQL database on the remote  
> server, first escaping it:
> 	   put revXMLText( gTaxoDataA[gCurrentSlot][kID] ,,true) into tXML
> 	   replace "\" with "\\" in tXML
> 	   replace quote with "\" & quote in tXML
> 	   replace "'" with "\'" in tXML
> 	   replace tab with "\t" in tXML
> 	   replace cr with "\n" in tXML
> 	   put encodeUtf8( tXML ) into tData

What encoding does the column in your MySQL database use? I set the  
default encoding for the DB to UTF-8 and don't have any problems but I  
think you have to do that explicitly.

Regards,

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From tereza at califex.com  Fri Sep 17 08:45:36 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:45:36 -0500
Subject: XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY
In-Reply-To: <30156843656.20100916225305@ahsoftware.net>
References: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>
	<30156843656.20100916225305@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <00D262A8-E36B-4BEA-BC00-98662EC455CA@califex.com>


On Sep 17, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Tereza-
> 
> Thursday, September 16, 2010, 10:39:01 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Does anything stand out to those of you who have used MySQL? and revXML? and utf8?
> 
> I haven't used that combination, particularly the utf8 part, but off
> the top of my head, I'd say one problem looks like MySQL is making
> crlf pairs from your cr characters. When you say that you're using an
> insert command to put the data into the database, are you storing it
> as a BLOB?

I'm storing it as mediumtext. I will try BLOBbing it.

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From tereza at califex.com  Fri Sep 17 08:48:27 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:48:27 -0500
Subject: XML+MySQL+UTF8 = MISERY
In-Reply-To: <27AA3B3D-D55F-45E4-893D-483A865875E1@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <09F4AF37-48DE-44C8-90BF-BAEF49C91606@califex.com>
	<27AA3B3D-D55F-45E4-893D-483A865875E1@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <41A1FEC6-B0F9-4718-818B-034AF0182184@califex.com>


On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:39 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
>>  6b I upload the scored survey to a MySQL database on the remote server, first escaping it:
>> 	   put revXMLText( gTaxoDataA[gCurrentSlot][kID] ,,true) into tXML
>> 	   replace "\" with "\\" in tXML
>> 	   replace quote with "\" & quote in tXML
>> 	   replace "'" with "\'" in tXML
>> 	   replace tab with "\t" in tXML
>> 	   replace cr with "\n" in tXML
>> 	   put encodeUtf8( tXML ) into tData
> 
> What encoding does the column in your MySQL database use? I set the default encoding for the DB to UTF-8 and don't have any problems but I think you have to do that explicitly.
> 

I will try setting the encoding for the column. I did experiment with doing that earlier in the debugging process to no avail but I will throw that back into the mix!

thanks


t

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Sep 17 09:35:27 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:35:27 -0400
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C92C542.4000508@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTikLEPHeuYX-cBca_8qD9OguVACY1KzeSm=t9diF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <186A1041-AB0A-44BB-8EDB-DDC77F1862F2@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> You can take a screenshot of the screen and manipulate it to darken  
> it.

A couple of caveats to be aware of.

This works if you have a single monitor. For dual monitors you will  
get most likely get bitten by bug #3926 (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3926 
).

I've also found the importing the entire monitor on OS X to be rather  
slow. The speed on Windows seems to be much faster for the same size  
monitor.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Sep 17 09:38:55 2010
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:38:55 +0100
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B91FBE.2E8DF%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <C8B91FBE.2E8DF%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <4C936F6F.4090307@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,
Have you tried the 'Reliability and Performance Monitor' in W7?

You can define a small data collection set and see what happens (if 
anything!) during the app initiation.

Either that or tell any AV apps to keep their fingers off of it...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 17/09/2010 12:38, tekne wrote:
>
>> For me this exclude RAM problems so no need to check the RAM.
> Yes, I'm sure. I see a lot of physical memory available during and after
> startup.
>>
>>>
>>> As I say to Jacqueline that has managed tech support ticket, in one PC I
>>> have tried to defragment the HD and to update the video drivers but the
>>> lunch time is always over 60 seconds.
>>> I can't try any code because the problem is related to the time to open the
>>> first cd of the rev mainstack, and I have no code activated before.
>>
>> Have you try to run your app after changing its compatibility mode.
>> Follow this link.
>> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/316-compatibility-mode.html
>>
>> Could interesting to launch progressively your app with different
>> compatibility modes and compare the result:
>> - 1) with XP
>> - 2) Vista
>> - 3) Seven service pack 1
>> - 4) Seven service pack 2
>
> Yes, but no news
>
> Thanks for your support
> Riccardo
>
>
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Sep 17 10:48:13 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Getting started with databases
In-Reply-To: <81A84449-7F9C-45E9-860A-E9B562F01BC8@twft.com>
References: <C458A679-B9EE-4FE6-A17F-18F6D6E4B571@addat.com>
	<AANLkTimVLH5RHu_he88v849rcNy+NQA8VJLo4LKTs5Bs@mail.gmail.com>
	<65214C6C-460F-4466-B332-46CCECCEA98D@twft.com>
	<1284665852284-2542837.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3DA5F7D3-AA1D-4F6D-B9E5-680E4ECA08EA@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinUH8WHC-xG8mb9FsQ4Wk=XPCYvYor81Eq2Dgf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<81A84449-7F9C-45E9-860A-E9B562F01BC8@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1284734893825-2543958.post@n4.nabble.com>


Sorry, sloppy, I meant tab delimited.  I do tend to wrongly say csv and
automatically assume that tab delimited will be understood.

Peter
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From Mark at Rauterkus.com  Fri Sep 17 11:21:37 2010
From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:21:37 -0400
Subject: OT: Insights on Android Tablet
Message-ID: <AANLkTinx08Vh7GPvCKHZoFU38AG4E+=M5Z4BK5N0==k-@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Interesting article on pending and looming Android tablet / iPad
competitor from Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-16/google-android-tablets-to-surpass-apple-ipad-helped-by-wider-availability.html
--
Ta.


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Swimming and Water Polo Coach, Schenley High School, Pittsburgh, PA
http://CLOH.wikia.com
412 298 3432 = cell


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep 17 11:30:22 2010
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:30:22 -0500
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <186A1041-AB0A-44BB-8EDB-DDC77F1862F2@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>

>   I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide
> presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
> reveal 
> what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell() command
> for 
> this that can be run from Rev?
> 

There are a couple of AppleScripts to do this, but both of these are
"messy":

http://www.mactipper.com/2008/03/change-monitor-brightness-using.html

http://macosx.com/forums/unix-x11/293662-screen-brightness-through-terminal.
html


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Sep 17 11:38:32 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Need help with ListMagic!
Message-ID: <1284737912765-2544033.post@n4.nabble.com>


I am using ListMagic (LM) in my project. I have two LM tables - student and
adult. The adult table works fine but I have been having persistent problems
with the student table for the past two weeks!

The two tables are on different cards. I am using Rev. Enterprise 4.0 Built
950 on the Mac.

The problem is that the first default row below the headers is not
reflecting the names of the headers above it which it is suppose to do. This
default row is present when there are no entries in the table. The row has
the following names: Header 2, Header 3, Header 4, Header 5, Header 6 and
Header 7 instead of the header names above the row. The adult table
correctly shows the default header names in the default row. 

Although the adult table has only only four headers (not including the
number column), the code for both is the same except for the global:
globalFieldData. The adult table has the global globalFieldData2.

I would greatly appreciate any help on this whether it be on this list or
off line: cszasz at mac.com

Thanks!
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Sep 17 12:25:19 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:25:19 +0100
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <186A1041-AB0A-44BB-8EDB-DDC77F1862F2@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cYpqXzGTDtBuqf3Gi5NBHf6k0VLki_xznrwif@mail.gmail.com>

Why not simply create a stack, set the bgcolor to black, set the rect to
whichever screenrect, and the blendlevel to a suitable level  (40?) -
probably make it a systemwindow?

On 17 September 2010 16:30, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> >   I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a
> slide
> > presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
> > reveal
> > what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell()
> command
> > for
> > this that can be run from Rev?
> >
>
> There are a couple of AppleScripts to do this, but both of these are
> "messy":
>
> http://www.mactipper.com/2008/03/change-monitor-brightness-using.html
>
>
> http://macosx.com/forums/unix-x11/293662-screen-brightness-through-terminal.<http://macosx.com/forums/unix-x11/293662-screen-brightness-through-terminal.%0Ahtml>
>


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri Sep 17 12:50:09 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:50:09 -0400
Subject: OT: Insights on Android Tablet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinx08Vh7GPvCKHZoFU38AG4E+=M5Z4BK5N0==k-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF1B888455.56980FAA-ON852577A1.0059DABE-852577A1.005C7B73@sealedair.com>

On 9/17/2010 at 11:21 AM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:
> Interesting article on pending and looming Android tablet / iPad
> competitor from Bloomberg.
>
>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-16/google-android-tablets-to-surpass-apple-ipad-helped-by-wider-availability.html

A few early Android tablets have already been shipping direct from several
small shops in Hong Kong.  They are not backed by brand names, so support
is very limited.  I have tried a couple of them since they are very
inexpensive in comparison with the iPad.  I first tried the Eken M001, and
it was made of cheap thin plastic which got very hot near the battery.  My
current one has a metal enclosure, but can't be upgraded beyond Android
1.5, which it runs VERY well. I have the iRobot Apad (looks like a half
scale iPad). The iRobot Apad has a 7" resistive touchscreen, so you have to
press slightly harder than on the iPad.  Where the iRobot Apad really
shines is playing video and audio media. I got a little case/stand for it
which makes it a joy for watching movies, playing mp3s, listening to
streaming music over wifi. The iRobot Apad has the Google Market app
installed, so it has access to thousands of apps, but again it can only use
the ones compatible with 1.5. Now, there is already a newer model that runs
Android 2.1, and there is a 10" screen version as well.  The original
company is at http://hiapad.com/  but I got mine at
http://www.merimobiles.com/ .  Sorry for sounding like an infomercial, but
I really do love my Apad.  Oh, and the case is super high quality from
http://www.houseofdap.com/elegant-case-with-stand-for-moonse-apad-irobot-7-inch-by-doberskin.html.

Even though the subject was [OT], to come back on-topic, I bought this
BECAUSE of the announcement that revMobile would be focussing its efforts
on Android.

~Roger




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Sep 17 13:02:08 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:02:08 -0400
Subject: Server Side Database Advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuV3U7A-zVz1qzf1y70FHMENaOjisp8RS=ZdN2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=6aTH+urf=wMXCJic6cZqTLX79SivSGJO20tm2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinuV3U7A-zVz1qzf1y70FHMENaOjisp8RS=ZdN2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3aJO6w7XrcfcYPe-FNGhJZn+U3_n49VSOgO7Z@mail.gmail.com>

I understand that hosts are careful with MySQL because the commercial
use of MySQL has such huge fees.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:40 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> Change hosts or use a cgi interface, not a direct connection.
>
> On 16 September 2010 13:32, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am developing software that needs to pass information to a centralized
>> MySQL database. ?My current host started blocking connections as they said
>> the MySQL database was for web applications only and had an issue with
>> updating it with an application. ?Plus they only allowed a few concurrent
>> connections.
>>
>> Anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this or experience with a
>> host that didn't have any issues with this?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Warren
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>
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Sep 17 13:13:27 2010
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:13:27 -0400
Subject: Can Get Cookies From Home But Not While On Campus
Message-ID: <0694CEEE-39BE-43B8-981F-7DD2E988049C@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I've got the early stages of an On-Rev site working reasonably well,  
and in no small part with the patient and crystal clear advice of the  
Rev Internet gurus on this list.  Thank you.

Today, I've ran into what I hope is only a small glitch.  The site  
uses irev scripts that allows students to sign in and send me their  
work or participate in little experiments by submitting forms from the  
site.  The site identifies students by setting a cookie in their  
machines when they sign in.  Everything works fine when the student  
accesses the site from off campus, but when they are on campus, they  
cannot submit forms and are instead redirected to the site's sign-in  
page if they are using a Mac.  The only reason that a student would be  
redirected to the sign-in page would be when my authentication script,  
which compares the cookie name and value with what I have saved in a  
file on the server side, receives nothing when it tries to retrieve a  
cookie.  So, from home, I can sign in and submit forms as if I were a  
student, but from my office Mac on campus, I cannot.   I say that the  
problem may be limited to Macs because it does not happen when  
submitting forms from PCs in other offices or labs in my building.  My  
copy of Safari is up to date, and its settings are the same as those  
on my home machine.  Go figure.

Any thoughts?


Regards,

Gregory


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Sep 17 13:22:37 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:22:37 +0200
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4E4EB90D-FD11-4E51-88D3-E1941139DA74@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

>>  I want to darken my Mac screen (not just a stack window) the way a slide
>> presentation would do it at its beginning, and then bring it up again to
>> reveal 
>> what has been changed. Does anyone have an AppleScript or a shell() command
>> for this that can be run from Rev?

something like this should work:

1. set some properties for "the templatestack":
the rect to the screenrect
backgroundcolor to black
loc to the screenloc
blendlevel to 100 = completely transparent

2. create stack "the_cover"
3. set blendlevel in a repeat loop up to 0**
4. Now do your work behind this stack
5. set blendlevel of htat stack in a repeat loop to 0**
6. Close stack "the_cover"

** Experiment a bit wiht the "step" in the repeat loop, maybe "step 5" or "step 10" will do

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Sep 17 13:27:34 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:27:34 +0200
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <4E4EB90D-FD11-4E51-88D3-E1941139DA74@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<4E4EB90D-FD11-4E51-88D3-E1941139DA74@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F0A25EB5-F982-49B8-A9FE-D467F8402D3A@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

important addition!

> ...
> something like this should work:
> 
> 1. set some properties for "the templatestack":
> the rect to the screenrect
> backgroundcolor to black
decorations to empty!
> loc to the screenloc
> blendlevel to 100 = completely transparent
> 
> 2. create stack "the_cover"
> 3. set blendlevel in a repeat loop up to 0**
> 4. Now do your work behind this stack
> 5. set blendlevel of htat stack in a repeat loop to 0**
> 6. Close stack "the_cover"
> 
> ** Experiment a bit wiht the "step" in the repeat loop, maybe "step 5" or "step 10" will do

Best

Klaus

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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 17 13:37:27 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:37:27 -0600
Subject: (OT aside) Re: Can Get Cookies From Home But Not While On Campus
In-Reply-To: <0694CEEE-39BE-43B8-981F-7DD2E988049C@videotron.ca>
References: <0694CEEE-39BE-43B8-981F-7DD2E988049C@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <AF353E0D-3C14-4D16-81D4-005AAFA6BDD5@swcp.com>

Yeah, I have that same problem.  The cafe at the SUB is so health  
conscious one can hardly find anything to eat.  So I bring my cookies  
from home.  -- Dar


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 17 14:58:30 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:58:30 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B8E768.2E8BE%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <C8B8E768.2E8BE%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <4C93BA56.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>

Riccardo, if none of the suggestions here work, the only thing left to 
do is submit a bug report at the Quality Control Center: 
<http://quality.runrev.com>. Explain the problem and include a link to a 
copy of your zipped stack which you have stored on the web somewhere so 
that the engineers can download it (it is too large to include in the 
report.)

But try the other suggestions first, and let us know if they work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Sep 17 15:05:56 2010
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:05:56 -0700
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C93BA56.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C8B8E768.2E8BE%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<4C93BA56.9000001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55AAA3B1-3017-4FE3-AF57-BFB1200D4F30@canelasoftware.com>

If the stack is available, I would be willing to download it on try it on our Win 7 system in the office.  Just say the word.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:58 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Riccardo, if none of the suggestions here work, the only thing left to do is submit a bug report at the Quality Control Center: <http://quality.runrev.com>. Explain the problem and include a link to a copy of your zipped stack which you have stored on the web somewhere so that the engineers can download it (it is too large to include in the report.)
> 
> But try the other suggestions first, and let us know if they work.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Fri Sep 17 15:31:15 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:31:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
Message-ID: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hey revsters,

I use datagrids on a hidden card to hold different sets of data that get
processed combined  into another datagrid for display to the user. 

I am trying to optimize my script and before fetching the data from the
hidden datagrids.

Before I fetch the data from the grid I send this to the grid in order to
refresh it and make sure it has the latest data.

send "RefreshList" to group "EditTickets" of card "LocalData"

I noticed from the API Docs for the datagrid that: 

RefreshList
- Redraws the data displayed in the data grid.

Does this simply redraw the data and not at all affect the data that I am
fetching from the grid with the dgData property? Am I adding overhead to
redraw a grid that no one sees?
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 15:57:54 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:57:54 +0200
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B91FBE.2E8DF%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <AANLkTim-FqN3ZGHKcDThqamUqxdDNxjpwp7QhP-0UwvH@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B91FBE.2E8DF%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWQkmBTtPGBjAbobZO=rv33N9UfW1qkFwSaVt7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, tekne <tekne at gruppoparentesi.it> wrote:
>
>> For me this exclude RAM problems so no need to check the RAM.
> Yes, I'm sure. I see a lot of physical memory available during and after
> startup.

Here, I thought to the physical integrity of the memory, not the
memory allowed by Seven to your app.
Sometimes a memory card may be defective and induce unexpected effect.

>>> As I say to Jacqueline that has managed tech support ticket, in one PC I
>>> have tried to defragment the HD and to update the video drivers but the
>>> lunch time is always over 60 seconds.
>>> I can't try any code because the problem is related to the time to open the
>>> first cd of the rev mainstack, and I have no code activated before.
>>
>> Have you try to run your app after changing its compatibility mode.
>> Follow this link.
>> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/316-compatibility-mode.html
>>
>> Could interesting to launch progressively your app with different
>> compatibility modes and compare the result:
>> - 1) with XP
>> - 2) Vista
>> - 3) Seven service pack 1
>> - 4) Seven service pack 2
>
> Yes, but no news
>
> Thanks for your support
> Riccardo

Another test could be to explode your project and test one by one each
stacks as a standalone.
Start by testing the larger stacks and check the time for each one.

Several ideas:
- one or more of your stacks needs optimization (see properties like
alwaysbuffer, dontuseQT we have proposed above)
- A stack or an object in a stack maybe corrupted and this corruption
affects only Seven.
- All the stacks associated in the standalone are too large to be
buffered quickly by rev in Seven. And we can consider this behavior as
a bug.



Regards,
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 16:12:03 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:12:03 -0400
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWQkmBTtPGBjAbobZO=rv33N9UfW1qkFwSaVt7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim-FqN3ZGHKcDThqamUqxdDNxjpwp7QhP-0UwvH@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B91FBE.2E8DF%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
	<AANLkTimWQkmBTtPGBjAbobZO=rv33N9UfW1qkFwSaVt7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikY0tLqTcsgf9Qi1a37q0oZ9qgLdzL9hcjjBJMu@mail.gmail.com>

I am going to throw out one more time that I thought someone relatively
recently had said on one of the runrev lists that they had an app that was
taking a long time to launch and by updating the graphics driver the problem
vanished.   It seemed relatively unusual to me at the time that that could
make a difference.  I kind of expected that whoever it was might chime in by
now.  I tried finding this reference using "the google" but no luck there.
I thought it might be one of the Mark's or Malte but I guess not, and
perhaps I dreamed the whole thing.

Just throwing it out for what it is worth and because it seemed remotely
possibly linked to something that could be potentially fixed by a
reinstallation of the OS as was described as having been a solution in one
case on a Dell.

I know nothing about graphics drivers and have no idea how or what kind of
checks might happen on an app startup where graphics drivers could even
possible be germaine, and whether such an issue should demonstrate a scaling
issue based on the number of substacks as has been described...  Still
hoping whoever posted previously might catch sight of this and pipe up.
Unfortunately I think we are past the golden point of search retrieval now
and the quantity and quality of results isn't allowing me to find a
reference to that (possibly imagined) post.  Quite possibly it is a deja vu
or dream experience, but if you go so far as contemplate a complete OS
re-install you might try updating the graphics drivers first just on the off
chance...

Good luck!

Wayne


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep 17 16:22:51 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:22:51 -0700
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikY0tLqTcsgf9Qi1a37q0oZ9qgLdzL9hcjjBJMu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B91C2B.4CBA9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, wayne durden wrote:

> I am going to throw out one more time that I thought someone relatively
> recently had said on one of the runrev lists that they had an app that was
> taking a long time to launch and by updating the graphics driver the problem
> vanished.   It seemed relatively unusual to me at the time that that could
> make a difference.  I kind of expected that whoever it was might chime in by
> now.  I tried finding this reference using "the google" but no luck there.
> I thought it might be one of the Mark's or Malte but I guess not, and
> perhaps I dreamed the whole thing.

Historically, display drivers did affect performance of MetaCard, the
precursor to Revolution/liveCode(?), so this seems plausible.

The other possibility mentioned was QuickTime, where setting the the
dontUseQT at startup enabled normally slow running apps to perform better.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep 17 16:39:20 2010
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:39:20 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikY0tLqTcsgf9Qi1a37q0oZ9qgLdzL9hcjjBJMu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8B93C28.54936%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> I am going to throw out one more time that I thought someone relatively
> recently had said on one of the runrev lists that they had an app that was
> taking a long time to launch and by updating the graphics driver the problem
> vanished.   It seemed relatively unusual to me at the time that that could
> make a difference.  I kind of expected that whoever it was might chime in by
> now.  I tried finding this reference using "the google" but no luck there.
> I thought it might be one of the Mark's or Malte but I guess not, and
> perhaps I dreamed the whole thing.

Nope! It's right there in the Rev Forums:

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5654&p=25597&hilit=video
+driver#p25597

You weren't dreaming...

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 17 16:40:15 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:40:15 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B91C2B.4CBA9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8B91C2B.4CBA9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4C93D22F.2040408@hyperactivesw.com>

Since the stacks load okay in the IDE, I'm not sure graphic drivers or 
QT is the problem -- but both are worth checking anyway. They are good 
potential solutions.

The main difference between loading the stacks in the IDE and in a 
standalone is the startup sequence. In the IDE, startup isn't sent when 
you load stacks, it only happens when the IDE launches. I think I'd look 
at any startup handlers that the standalone runs to see if there is 
anything there.

I hope Riccardo lets Mark Talluto look at the stack. I'd like to know if 
he can duplicate the performance issues.

-- 
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 16:46:46 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:46:46 -0400
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <C8B93C28.54936%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <AANLkTikY0tLqTcsgf9Qi1a37q0oZ9qgLdzL9hcjjBJMu@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B93C28.54936%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8mdxuw5rMpn4QHM7=5PnAAzMrcAeFzo08cAqb@mail.gmail.com>

Hey thanks Ken!  Your google-fu must be stronger than mine!  I was beginning
to doubt my sanity because I thought it was pretty recent.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> > I am going to throw out one more time that I thought someone relatively
> > recently had said on one of the runrev lists that they had an app that
> was
> > taking a long time to launch and by updating the graphics driver the
> problem
> > vanished.   It seemed relatively unusual to me at the time that that
> could
> > make a difference.  I kind of expected that whoever it was might chime in
> by
> > now.  I tried finding this reference using "the google" but no luck
> there.
> > I thought it might be one of the Mark's or Malte but I guess not, and
> > perhaps I dreamed the whole thing.
>
> Nope! It's right there in the Rev Forums:
>
>
> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5654&p=25597&hilit=video
> +driver#p25597<http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5654&p=25597&hilit=video%0A+driver#p25597>
>
> You weren't dreaming...
>
> :-)
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Sep 17 17:50:33 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:50:33 -0500
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8mdxuw5rMpn4QHM7=5PnAAzMrcAeFzo08cAqb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikY0tLqTcsgf9Qi1a37q0oZ9qgLdzL9hcjjBJMu@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B93C28.54936%kray@sonsothunder.com>
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Here are a couple things you could try.

1. You can try creating an ultra simple "Hello World" standalone and
see if the problem still exists. If it does then my guess is there is
some sort of reference to the default folder or other system global
which references a detached network drive which is in the standalone
code and not in the IDE environment. I've seen this happen before
where a detached network volume is being looked for and just times
out.

2. If not, then look throughout your code for something like:

If the environment is "development"

statement. If one exists, copy it out and see if it has the same
proble. You can also download other peoples trial rev exe's and see if
they run. Finally, are you running on Parallels or other VM on a Mac?
If so, there may be "extenuating" circumstances.


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Sep 17 18:17:14 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:17:14 +0100
Subject: [OT] The lessons of Ion
Message-ID: <201009172317.14632.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

The interesting thing about ion is that it makes you think really hard 
about what is ease of use, what is user friendly, what about those famous 
laws, the HIG, and the one about where your points of clicking ought to be 
that I always forget the name of because I hate it so much.  Here is how 
Ion2 works.

It is sort of tangentially relevant because if you were packing a one app 
OS, and you wanted a one app window manager, basically an embedded Rev app, 
ion would be one way to do it.  As long as you do not have too many new 
windows overlapping, however.

You start out looking at a totally blank screen with a top border which 
says 'empty frame' at the top.  It is also totally black except this 
border, which is a quite attractive shade of blue/grey, with white 
lettering on it.  There are no clues what to do next.

You are an insider or have a crib sheet, and so you know that F1 brings up 
a man page, F2 opens a terminal (the second most important thing a guy 
needs in his interface), and F3 lets you launch an app by name, which is a 
nice to have but not essential, because real men launch from a terminal, of 
course.  

So lets say you go ahead, and you type in icewe followed by a tab.  It will 
complete to iceweasel, which is the Debian name for firefox (yes, you had 
to know that), and when you hit enter, firefox launches and occupies the 
entire screen.  OK, you think, how about mail?  So you hit F3 again, now 
you type in kmail, hit enter, and up pops your email.  In a tab, also 
occupying the entire screen. 

Now you have an idea.  Why don't we split the screen?  So now you do alt+k 
s.  instantly, your pane is split into two equal parts, vertically, one 
like the first, black with nothing in it, the other with your two tabs.  
You want to resize?  alt+r and use the arrow keys.  You want to kill a 
panel?  Just right click in the border and close.  Same thing for a tab.

You are geting bored and desperately want the full Debian menu?  F12 brings 
it up.

It sounds impossible, and rather ridiculous.  But here is what is amazing.  
There comes a point at which all this suddenly becomes automatic as a way 
of working.  You do not think about it or look for your crib sheet, you 
just enter a few characters, and things happen.  You never have one window 
behind another, nothing ever overlaps.  You get used to splitting up your 
panes just so, for instance a calculator always open in the top right of 
your three or four.  A file manager under it.  Then the main window.  A 
terminal someplace of course.

There are no, zero widgets.  No taskbar.  No clock or date.  Nothing to 
tell you about the status of the network.  What is F2 for, after all?  
Presumably one of your little panes someplace is always running a terminal, 
so who needs widgets?  There are not even any borders.  All you see is apps 
and a tiny little bar at the top telling yoiu which tab you are in by going 
a paler shade of blue grey.

I have to tell you, this is an experience to make you think and scratch 
your head and think some more.  If Apple were right, it should not work.  
If Gnome were right, it should not work.  And on day 1 it does not.  But on 
day n, it not only works, it feels just perfectly right and automatic, your 
fingers just do things, and you forget you are using Ion, its just how 
things are done here.

Try it.  You will never feel the same about HIGs and that guy and his silly 
law again.  Fitts he might have been.  And you will never again confuse 
being easy to use on day 1 for the ignorant with being easy to use  when 
you know it well and are experienced.  No, they are completely different 
things.

Ion is a bit under resourced at the moment, as Richard pointed out.  But 
for the deprived minimalist, there are other alternatives, most notably 
from the nosuck school of software, wmii, awesome, and a couple more of 
that ilk.  If you are interested enough to try ion, have a look at wmii and 
its associates too.  Anyone with a serious interest in man computer 
interfaces will find it worth the effort.

Peter


From bobs at twft.com  Fri Sep 17 18:54:16 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:54:16 -0700
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Qc31xh9fDyX3fY-uh1uZC4L_o0ZvxbpMzSG36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikY0tLqTcsgf9Qi1a37q0oZ9qgLdzL9hcjjBJMu@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8B93C28.54936%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<AANLkTi=8mdxuw5rMpn4QHM7=5PnAAzMrcAeFzo08cAqb@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Qc31xh9fDyX3fY-uh1uZC4L_o0ZvxbpMzSG36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FFDF09D-D5BA-48A3-8069-05F2C6E0920A@twft.com>

Hi Chipp. 

I think he already stated earlier that the more substacks he removes (he has a lot of them) the better it responds, until with just a few it's back to normal. 

Bob


On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Here are a couple things you could try.
> 
> 1. You can try creating an ultra simple "Hello World" standalone and
> see if the problem still exists. If it does then my guess is there is
> some sort of reference to the default folder or other system global
> which references a detached network drive which is in the standalone
> code and not in the IDE environment. I've seen this happen before
> where a detached network volume is being looked for and just times
> out.
> 
> 2. If not, then look throughout your code for something like:
> 
> If the environment is "development"
> 
> statement. If one exists, copy it out and see if it has the same
> proble. You can also download other peoples trial rev exe's and see if
> they run. Finally, are you running on Parallels or other VM on a Mac?
> If so, there may be "extenuating" circumstances.
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Sep 17 18:55:37 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:55:37 +1000
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>

> Am I adding overhead to
> redraw a grid that no one sees?

I can't work out what the data grids are for if no one sees them? Why not just use custom properties? Or better yet SQLite?

Cheers

--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Sep 17 18:58:18 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:58:18 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>

I was going to suggest that very thing, but stopped myself by thinking, "He probably has reasons for using datagrids that I am not aware of." 

But if you do not have needs for your "invisible" data that only a data grid can supply, yes you would be better off using a custom property. 

Bob


On Sep 17, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

>> Am I adding overhead to
>> redraw a grid that no one sees?
> 
> I can't work out what the data grids are for if no one sees them? Why not just use custom properties? Or better yet SQLite?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> 
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> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Fri Sep 17 19:08:56 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1284764936839-2544558.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hmmm, the data coming in is from a mySQL database and I have 3 sets of data.
Live data, update data, and Added data.

Each of these is held in a datagrid simply for the ease at which it can be
turned from an array into tab delimited text that can be stored in a
flatfile as backup and the ability to search the through the data using the
datagrid API. 

The program works offline most of the time and at the end of the day gets
synced with the database.

What do you suggest? This datagrid thing leads to so much overhead in that I
have to initialize it on the hidden cards before opening the program. 

Would you recommend I just write search & export functions for a custom
property?


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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Sep 17 19:29:43 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:29:43 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <F0A25EB5-F982-49B8-A9FE-D467F8402D3A@major.on-rev.com>
References: <C8B8F3BE.547AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<4E4EB90D-FD11-4E51-88D3-E1941139DA74@major.on-rev.com>
	<F0A25EB5-F982-49B8-A9FE-D467F8402D3A@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4C93F9E7.4070100@pdslabs.net>

  Thanks so much everyone! Great tips all. Here is my final code, tested on Mac 
OS X 10.5.8 and Windows 7:

command showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
    # pTargetScreenRect = the rect of your target screen

    -- make a 'cover' stack to fill screen
    create inv stack "screencover" -- temp stack, no need to save it
    set the backgroundColor of stack "screencover" to black
    set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
    palette stack "screencover" -- make this stack the frontmost layer
    set the rect of stack "screencover" to pTargetScreenRect -- make it same 
size as screen
    show stack "screencover" -- but it's still transparent

    -- make the screen go dark
    lock screen -- hide changes until all is ready for display
    set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 1 -- almost opaque (0 causes 
flash on Win 7)
    set the defaultStack to "screencover" -- to make dissolve work right
    unlock screen with effect dissolve fast -- to reveal black stack
end showBlackScreen



command showNormalScreen
    -- make the screen look normal again
    lock screen -- hide changes until all is ready for display
    set the defaultStack to "screencover" -- to make dissolve work right
    set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
    unlock screen with effect dissolve fast -- to reveal normal screen
    delete stack "screencover" -- end the stack's existence
end showNormalScreen


Best -
Phil


On 9/17/10 10:27 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> important addition!
>
>> ...
>> something like this should work:
>>
>> 1. set some properties for "the templatestack":
>> the rect to the screenrect
>> backgroundcolor to black
> decorations to empty!
>> loc to the screenloc
>> blendlevel to 100 = completely transparent
>>
>> 2. create stack "the_cover"
>> 3. set blendlevel in a repeat loop up to 0**
>> 4. Now do your work behind this stack
>> 5. set blendlevel of htat stack in a repeat loop to 0**
>> 6. Close stack "the_cover"
>>
>> ** Experiment a bit wiht the "step" in the repeat loop, maybe "step 5" or "step 10" will do
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
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> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Sep 17 19:35:37 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:35:37 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1284764936839-2544558.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
	<1284764936839-2544558.post@n4.nabble.com>
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I usually use the old table field to hold database data on hidden cards, then grab the data from that to populate a datagrid the user sees.

The reason for using a field instead of a custom prop is that it's easier during development to see the data.

I have handlers that will find and update data in tab delimited fields.

If it's a huge dataset a custom prop is faster but usually it's small so the speed loss is a non issue.

Cheers,

Josh

On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:

> 
> Hmmm, the data coming in is from a mySQL database and I have 3 sets of data.
> Live data, update data, and Added data.
> 
> Each of these is held in a datagrid simply for the ease at which it can be
> turned from an array into tab delimited text that can be stored in a
> flatfile as backup and the ability to search the through the data using the
> datagrid API. 
> 
> The program works offline most of the time and at the end of the day gets
> synced with the database.
> 
> What do you suggest? This datagrid thing leads to so much overhead in that I
> have to initialize it on the hidden cards before opening the program. 
> 
> Would you recommend I just write search & export functions for a custom
> property?
> 
> 
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From rman at free.fr  Fri Sep 17 19:39:18 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>


Maybe he is using datagrids not unlike "data objects" that rodeo fellows have
made.
I mean , a simple data container that you can set like a table, and
populate, reorder easily and show by connecting to a table or datagrid
"viewer" swiftly.
Kind of a minimal database object handy and included in rev... 
And so far, datagrid is pretty useable for that... 

So it would be interesting I thing if actually Datagrids were split into A)
the datagrid dataObject and B) the datagrid viewer... so you could have
several views of the same datas... 
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Sep 17 20:00:53 2010
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:00:53 -0700
Subject: Slow launch times on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4C93D22F.2040408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C8B91C2B.4CBA9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4C93D22F.2040408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DC783A74-5447-49E8-BF95-FAD22C59079E@canelasoftware.com>

On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:40 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I hope Riccardo lets Mark Talluto look at the stack. I'd like to know if he can duplicate the performance issues.

I have done this for a number of users on this list and can be trusted with what ever code you are comfortable having me test.  Met a lot of neat people in the process.  


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep 17 20:16:42 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:16:42 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <4C93F9E7.4070100@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <C8B952FA.4CBD5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Phil:

I don't know if you tried Klaus's suggestion (programmatically setting the
blendLevel), but you'll have more control compared to using the built-in
dissolve effect, and if I'm not mistaken the dissolve will look like crap on
Windows without QT installed.  Just a suggestion.

on mouseUp
   put the screenRect into pTargetScreenRect
   showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
   wait 3 seconds with messages
   send "showNormalScreen" to me
end mouseUp

command showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
   # pTargetScreenRect = the rect of your target screen
   -- make a 'cover' stack to fill screen
   create inv stack "screencover" -- temp stack, no need to save it
   set the backgroundColor of stack "screencover" to black
   set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
   palette stack "screencover" -- make this stack the frontmost layer
   set the rect of stack "screencover" to pTargetScreenRect -- size to
screen
   show stack "screencover" -- but it's still transparent
   -- make the screen go dark
   repeat with N = 19 down to 0
      set blendLevel of stack "screencover" to N * 5
      wait 20 millisecs with messages
   end repeat
end showBlackScreen

command showNormalScreen
   -- make the screen look normal again
   repeat with N = 1 to 20
      set blendLevel of stack "screencover" to N * 5
      wait 20 millisecs with messages
   end repeat
   delete stack "screencover" -- end the stack's existence
end showNormalScreen


Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




Recently, Phil Davis wrote:

>   Thanks so much everyone! Great tips all. Here is my final code, tested on
> Mac 
> OS X 10.5.8 and Windows 7:
> 
> command showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
>     # pTargetScreenRect = the rect of your target screen
> 
>     -- make a 'cover' stack to fill screen
>     create inv stack "screencover" -- temp stack, no need to save it
>     set the backgroundColor of stack "screencover" to black
>     set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
>     palette stack "screencover" -- make this stack the frontmost layer
>     set the rect of stack "screencover" to pTargetScreenRect -- make it same
> size as screen
>     show stack "screencover" -- but it's still transparent
> 
>     -- make the screen go dark
>     lock screen -- hide changes until all is ready for display
>     set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 1 -- almost opaque (0 causes
> flash on Win 7)
>     set the defaultStack to "screencover" -- to make dissolve work right
>     unlock screen with effect dissolve fast -- to reveal black stack
> end showBlackScreen
> 
> 
> 
> command showNormalScreen
>     -- make the screen look normal again
>     lock screen -- hide changes until all is ready for display
>     set the defaultStack to "screencover" -- to make dissolve work right
>     set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
>     unlock screen with effect dissolve fast -- to reveal normal screen
>     delete stack "screencover" -- end the stack's existence
> end showNormalScreen
> 
> 
> Best -
> Phil
> 





From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Sep 17 20:42:41 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:42:41 -0400
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
Message-ID: <C4D64047-6B53-405E-A79D-0BDF8BC2D670@wehostmacs.com>

if you are using the external ssMacWindows you can use the command  
ssDisplayFadeOut to let the system handle fading the screen to black..


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep 18 00:15:09 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:15:09 -1000
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
Message-ID: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>

  If any one has any input form validation-sanitizer handlers for web 
forms, (irev includes...) I could use them right now.

I've studied the web on this. It's vast... "positive match" (i.e. the 
input must be a precise match for a given set of values) is considered 
the simplest and strongest form, and I can do this for most of my 
current form input fields on this project,

But for a max 200 char comments-text field, I need something more 
robust. Our PCI auditor regularly flags some pages for XSS attacks, and 
I need to get a little more professional about sanitizing input.

I'm thinking this should suffice where the "positive match" is A-z plus 
0-9, comma, period and explanation mark... if allowed should suffice, 
but then I may need to deal with SQL injection  (PostGreSQL) also.  if 
there is no ";" then nothing can happen. But I know it is more 
complicated that that.

I know that regEx could help me here but I'm terrible with regular 
expressions.

put 
(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,x,y,z,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,.,!) 
into tConstraint

put toLower(tComment) into tComment

replace "," with "" in tComment

repeat for each char x in tComment
    if x is not among the items of tConstraint then
       Put "Only characters and numbers allowed in comments." into tMessage
     end
end repeat

Thanks

I'm a bit out of my depth here.  This may be an area where over 
simplication doesn't work.

Sivakatirswami













From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Sep 18 02:34:18 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:34:18 -0600
Subject: Moving a card from one stack to another
Message-ID: <1EC05D3A-A133-4666-B6EB-AE094F71328E@swcp.com>

What's the best way to move a card from one stack to another in the IDE?

Dar


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Sep 18 03:04:27 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:04:27 -0700
Subject: Moving a card from one stack to another
In-Reply-To: <1EC05D3A-A133-4666-B6EB-AE094F71328E@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <C8B9B28B.4CBEA%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Dar Scott wrote:

> What's the best way to move a card from one stack to another in the IDE?

How about:
 copy this cd of stack "test1" to stack "test2"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Sep 18 03:36:26 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:36:26 -0600
Subject: Moving a card from one stack to another
In-Reply-To: <C8B9B28B.4CBEA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8B9B28B.4CBEA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <71DF4929-6778-4D34-B87D-5AC91C273C1C@swcp.com>

Thanks!

I also figured this out on OS X Rev 3.5:

Right click on card.  Ignore the menu.

Use the main menu and cut card.

Go to destination stack and go to the card before the desired location.

Paste objects.

The card shows up after the current card.

I was missing the need to right-click.

Dar


On Sep 18, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>> What's the best way to move a card from one stack to another in  
>> the IDE?
>
> How about:
>  copy this cd of stack "test1" to stack "test2"
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep 18 03:57:54 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:57:54 +1000
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
In-Reply-To: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>
References: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>

> I'm thinking this should suffice where the "positive match" is A-z plus 0-9, comma, period and explanation mark... if allowed should suffice, but then I may need to deal with SQL injection  (PostGreSQL) also.  if there is no ";" then nothing can happen. But I know it is more complicated that that.


According to the revIgniter docs when using the placeholder SQL syntax the db external escapes the variable/array element for you and therefore protects you from SQL injection. I can't find that in the rev docs but I imagine Ralf has investigated.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 05:31:56 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:31:56 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>> Am I adding overhead to
>> redraw a grid that no one sees?
>
> I can't work out what the data grids are for if no one sees them? Why not just use custom properties? Or better yet SQLite?

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> I was going to suggest that very thing, but stopped myself by thinking, "He probably has reasons for using datagrids that I am not aware of."
>
> But if you do not have needs for your "invisible" data that only a data grid can supply, yes you would be better off using a custom property.

Monte, Bob

Where the data of a datagrid are stored? In a custom property...

I give you two alternatives:
- store a data formatted for datagrids in a custom property of a
stack, a card, an object, etc
- store a data formatted for datagrids in a special object which
display the data in a snap if you need it as parameters behind the
scene and has is own API to manipulate your data easily: a datatagrid

What will be your best choice?

Andrew has made his choice, and I think that is far to be stupid.

Use SQLite to store the temporary data is a choice but I think not the
best in all the cases.
If you have other tables to manage in your stack, probably.
If you have to manage only a few things, why not use another datagrid
as a database? A datagrid is composed by columns (the fields) and by
rows (the records)

Plus it's really handy to copy the content of a datagrid in another.
With this trick you can create different views of the same datagrid.
You need only two datagrids: one behind the scene which contains all
your data and one used as a viewer.

If you are not convinced, I invite you to download the Step by Step
N#2 tutorial I wrote about datagrids or join the open beta of the Data
Grid Helper to download the plugin.
The visible datagrids of those stacks are able to display different
contents and data trees. How do you think I'm doing that with no
database?
Yes I'm using custom properties, the custom properties nested in the datagrids.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 06:08:29 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:08:29 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKPj0KzRzxNGQQdz2UYU44CzU_gWmRwzBBSUwk@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:
>
> Hey revsters,
>
> I use datagrids on a hidden card to hold different sets of data that get
> processed combined ?into another datagrid for display to the user.
>
> I am trying to optimize my script and before fetching the data from the
> hidden datagrids.
>
> Before I fetch the data from the grid I send this to the grid in order to
> refresh it and make sure it has the latest data.
>
> send "RefreshList" to group "EditTickets" of card "LocalData"
>
> I noticed from the API Docs for the datagrid that:
>
> RefreshList
> - Redraws the data displayed in the data grid.
>
> Does this simply redraw the data and not at all affect the data that I am
> fetching from the grid with the dgData property? Am I adding overhead to
> redraw a grid that no one sees?

Andrew,

The datas are restore when the preopencontrol of the datagrid is
invoked, so when you go the first time to the "LocalData" card.
Your data is refreshed by storing a new set with the set dgData... statement.

No need here to refresh the datagrid.

Personally and for now, I'm using only hidden datagrids which contains
parameters I wrote myself by hand.
I can sort content of those datagrids, find lines, copy lines and
sample columns with no refresh, and all works like a charm.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep 18 07:36:29 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:36:29 +1000
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>


> Where the data of a datagrid are stored? In a custom property...

sure
> 
> I give you two alternatives:
> - store a data formatted for datagrids in a custom property of a
> stack, a card, an object, etc
> - store a data formatted for datagrids in a special object which
> display the data in a snap if you need it as parameters behind the
> scene and has is own API to manipulate your data easily: a datatagrid

What about the cost of all the object creation/manipulation that you don't need if you are just using it as data storage. 

> What will be your best choice?
> 
> Andrew has made his choice, and I think that is far to be stupid.

I don't think either of us called it stupid. I'd like to understand why he, now you feel it's necessary. 

> If you are not convinced, I invite you to download the Step by Step
> N#2 tutorial I wrote about datagrids or join the open beta of the Data
> Grid Helper to download the plugin.
> The visible datagrids of those stacks are able to display different
> contents and data trees. How do you think I'm doing that with no
> database?
> Yes I'm using custom properties, the custom properties nested in the datagrids.

I downloaded your tutorial and I can't see where it says anything about the use of a hidden datagrid for data storage. I can imagine a very simple application being based around data storage in a visible datagrid but even then I would use custom property sets in an invisible stack saved in an appropriate place to get data to persist over multiple sessions. 

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From rabit at dimensionB.de  Sat Sep 18 09:08:54 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:08:54 +0200
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
In-Reply-To: <096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>
	<096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>


just to clarify:
active record database queries are escaped automatically by revIgniter,
not by the server engine. Obviously the revIgniter user guide is
capable of being misunderstood here. I will change that.

Regarding XSS attacks:
revIgniter comes with a Cross Site Scripting Hack prevention filter
which can either run automatically to filter all POST and COOKIE data
that is encountered, or you can run it on a per item basis.

Cheers

Ralf


On 18.09.2010, at 09:57, Monte Goulding wrote:

>> I'm thinking this should suffice where the "positive match" is A-z plus 0-9, comma, period and explanation mark... if allowed should suffice, but then I may need to deal with SQL injection  (PostGreSQL) also.  if there is no ";" then nothing can happen. But I know it is more complicated that that.
> 
> 
> According to the revIgniter docs when using the placeholder SQL syntax the db external escapes the variable/array element for you and therefore protects you from SQL injection. I can't find that in the rev docs but I imagine Ralf has investigated.
> 
> Cheers
> 



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 09:56:13 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:56:13 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>
>> Where the data of a datagrid are stored? In a custom property...
>
> sure
>>
>> I give you two alternatives:
>> - store a data formatted for datagrids in a custom property of a
>> stack, a card, an object, etc
>> - store a data formatted for datagrids in a special object which
>> display the data in a snap if you need it as parameters behind the
>> scene and has is own API to manipulate your data easily: a datatagrid
>
> What about the cost of all the object creation/manipulation that you don't need if you are just using it as data storage.

I speak about something easy to manipulate and you reply with cost.
If you starts to think like that you will probably not using the
datagrid object and use a simple field where each record is separated
by return and each fields by tab.

>> What will be your best choice?
>>
>> Andrew has made his choice, and I think that is far to be stupid.
>
> I don't think either of us called it stupid. I'd like to understand why he, now you feel it's necessary.

Necessary... Never spoke of necessity here. Spoke about trick or
option. Necessity could appears with constraints. We have no
constraints here. Or maybe one: that is not handy!!!!!

Let's put things in context. I take my case: I'm just a rev hobbyist
and I start rev in january. A newbie if you prefer. I have to manage
parameters to display things in a datagrid. To define a kind of
dictionary with no database. I want to be able to update by hand my
dictionary anytime I want, add new definitions, new columns, remove
things, etc.

My two options are:

1) using a custom properties to store my data. I have columns and
rows, so I will choose an array.

How to fill this array the first time? By code?
- In the msg box. Uhm, no!
- In a button? I have to keep it outside my project? Okay I need two
stacks. One for my visible project, one I will keep for me in my
computer, just to define the custom property.

Now the code itself. I have to define each values of my array by code?
With repetitive lines?? Sorry but this kind of thing makes me sick.
Not for me!
Even if I have to do that, I open a soft like Excel, define a
dictionary, generates the code with formula and I copy paste the code.
Crazy no?

Okay now I have my array, and I'm choosing to store it in the main
stack of my project.

And now what, I have to update a definition in my dictionary. I have
to do that by code??? Or directly in the custom property by hand???
Okay I'm capable but that is archaic!!!

2) Using a datagrid to define my dictionary. Sorry but here I smile.
It's like Excel!!
I can add a new column, a new line, duplicate an existing line, update
a cell and the array is refreshed with no code. Ohhh happiness!!!
With an additive library I wrote, I can copy the necessary keys I need
from a datagrid to another just by a detection of the matching names
of each. I can copy all the lines or a sample of lines with a custom
find command too. Nirvana!!!

And now you come with your question: why you feel it's necessary? Do I
really have to tell you why????? 8-)

So yes I have more objects than necessary, but I live very well with
that. Terribly well. My library works for me and I have no more code
to define. Zen!!
And if I have the need of a database, be sure that I will have tables
to define the same dictionary and an interface to create new records
with no need to do that by a new SQL request.

That is the way I'm developing all the time. Sorry.

>
>> If you are not convinced, I invite you to download the Step by Step
>> N#2 tutorial I wrote about datagrids or join the open beta of the Data
>> Grid Helper to download the plugin.
>> The visible datagrids of those stacks are able to display different
>> contents and data trees. How do you think I'm doing that with no
>> database?
>> Yes I'm using custom properties, the custom properties nested in the datagrids.

> I downloaded your tutorial and I can't see where it says anything about the use of a hidden datagrid for data storage. I can imagine a very simple application being based around data storage in a visible datagrid but even then I would use custom property sets in an invisible stack saved in an appropriate place to get data to persist over multiple sessions.

It's just an example. Do not explain how it works in this tutorial.
You manage your invisible stacks with the code you want, I would not
see that. 8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Sep 18 09:57:37 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:57:37 -0600
Subject: Moving a card from one stack to another
In-Reply-To: <71DF4929-6778-4D34-B87D-5AC91C273C1C@swcp.com>
References: <C8B9B28B.4CBEA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<71DF4929-6778-4D34-B87D-5AC91C273C1C@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <F3148413-6F88-44D6-AE93-68E37D415A69@swcp.com>

By "also figured this out", I mean your answer inspired me in  
thinking the IDE must do it somehow.  I was missing the way to get  
"copy card" and "cut card" to show up on the edit menu.  -- Dar

On Sep 18, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> I also figured this out on OS X Rev 3.5:
>
> Right click on card.  Ignore the menu.
>
> Use the main menu and cut card.
>
> Go to destination stack and go to the card before the desired  
> location.
>
> Paste objects.
>
> The card shows up after the current card.
>
> I was missing the need to right-click.
>
> Dar
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> Recently, Dar Scott wrote:
>>
>>> What's the best way to move a card from one stack to another in  
>>> the IDE?
>>
>> How about:
>>  copy this cd of stack "test1" to stack "test2"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep 18 13:12:46 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:12:46 -0500
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/18/10 8:56 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at sweattechnologies.com>  wrote:
>> What about the cost of all the object creation/manipulation  that you don't need if you are just using it as data storage.
>
> I speak about something easy to manipulate and you reply with cost.

I think what Monte is saying is that because the datagrid object does 
all the same manipulations with arrays and custom properties that you 
could do yourself, using a custom property avoids a lot of code and 
object overhead. In many cases, data can be stored directly into the 
stack as a custom property (or property set) where it is easy to update 
using the same methods as the datagrid.

But because your dictionary is displayed on a card, I think your method 
is good. You can let the datagrid handle the details of managing the 
data and displaying it. You need to use display fields anyway, so there 
is only a small extra cost by letting a datagrid create them. But if the 
data is for storage only, then there is no reason to have all the extra 
code, libraries, and objects -- updating a custom property set and 
getting values from it is very easy and quick. You can load the entire 
data set into a variable with one line of code and access any part of it 
with another single line. I don't see a need to use a visual datagrid if 
the data is never displayed. It's much faster to work with a variable. 
Field access is one of the slowest things in Rev, and avoiding field 
access and object creation will speed up execution by quite a bit.

Each method has advantages, it depends on what you need to do with the data.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep 18 13:38:57 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:38:57 -1000
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
In-Reply-To: <960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>
References: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>	<096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>
	<960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <4C94F931.8060206@hindu.org>

  On 9/18/10 3:08 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:
> just to clarify:
> active record database queries are escaped automatically by revIgniter,
> not by the server engine. Obviously the revIgniter user guide is
> capable of being misunderstood here. I will change that.
>
> Regarding XSS attacks:
> revIgniter comes with a Cross Site Scripting Hack prevention filter
> which can either run automatically to filter all POST and COOKIE data
> that is encountered, or you can run it on a per item basis.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ralf

where in the framework can i find that code i.e library files... for now 
I need to use it outside the revigniter framework (see other memo on 
that issue.)

Thanks!

Skts










From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep 18 13:39:00 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:39:00 -1000
Subject: RevIgniter -- Incorporating Existing CMS-Static Content
Message-ID: <4C94F934.1040409@hindu.org>

  Ralf, thank you for your great contribution in the form of revIgniter. 
I downloaded and installed it on our site, and actually ran thru some 
tutorials. My only problem was that we have an existing site where the 
CMS is already carefully organized for static pages

I installed revIgniter in a top level directory called

/aum/

to be very generic for future use, but now we have huge content (static 
content 80,000 plus pages on this one site alone) in existing structure 
like this;

/audio  # all things having to do with audio
/images
/donations  # all forms and templates for incoming $
/podcasts
/resources # all static books, translations of books and video
/ssc           # all matter have to do with our institution as a 
geographic place(s)
   /hawaii
   /mauritius
   /srilanka
   /usa  # etc.
/study  # international correspondence
/teaching # all things generic to teaching children, parenting etc.

The DOM on these pages is very simple: we use SSI to pull in head and 
footer and I just a revcgi exec include to pull in side bar links which 
vary depending on the "realm" where the page lives.

Now my new project has to launch by Oct 1 and I could not wrap my brain 
around beginning a new site area inside Revigniter in time. I can see 
the great value of the MVC framework for interactive web apps, but until 
I can grok how to incorporate the existing static content, which is very 
well organized by category of content such that any of our staff can 
find things just by thinking like a "normal human being" about the 
content and fold names. Andre says we can link to external content with 
root relative links... I tried asking revIgniter to treat and external 
page as a view... it works already by since it is not delivered by 
Apache, the SSI's are not implemented and they appear with no header, 
footer or side bar links. So, I would either have to convert them to 
iRev pages and convert SSI to this:
<?rev
   put url "file:/home/himalayan/public_html/ssi/site_wide_nav.html"
   ?>

<div id="footer">
<?rev put url "file:../../ssi/ha_footer.html"?>
</div>
or write some kind of run time parser, translator to take existing 
apache SSI:

<div id="siteWideNavTop">
<!--#include virtual="/ssi/site_wide_nav.html" -->
</div>

and convert to what I have above, run time...

At that point I stopped with revIgniter and went and am building a new 
area  (fund raising campaign) now in the old structure:

/donations/
    /ddd


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Sep 18 13:37:56 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:37:56 -0500
Subject: Getting Property Names
Message-ID: <4C94F8F4.5020108@crcom.net>

  I'm trying to get a list of all the properties (not Custom) for an 
object.  I know this used to be possible because Galaxy used to do it.  
the propertyNames() only gets the reserved names in Revolution 
(according to the docs at least) and I'd like just the properties that 
apply to say a field or a button.

Is this still possible?

len morgan


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Sep 18 13:41:21 2010
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:41:21 -0500
Subject: Getting Property Names
In-Reply-To: <4C94F8F4.5020108@crcom.net>
References: <4C94F8F4.5020108@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4C94F9C1.5050301@crcom.net>

  If this is not possible, I'm trying to find out how to set the 
horizontal thumbposition of a field to the left edge.

On 9/18/2010 12:37 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
>  I'm trying to get a list of all the properties (not Custom) for an 
> object.  I know this used to be possible because Galaxy used to do 
> it.  the propertyNames() only gets the reserved names in Revolution 
> (according to the docs at least) and I'd like just the properties that 
> apply to say a field or a button.
>
> Is this still possible?
>
> len morgan
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Sat Sep 18 13:58:09 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:58:09 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
	<1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1B73AB5A-20E2-491B-8FDF-507468A51879@dvcreators.net>



On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:

> So it would be interesting I thing if actually Datagrids were split into A)
> the datagrid dataObject and B) the datagrid viewer... so you could have
> several views of the same datas...

I have thought exactly the same thing... The first thing I do with most data grids is add a live search box which of course requires a separate data source to get data from, filter, then display in the grid.




From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sat Sep 18 14:03:36 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:03:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Getting Property Names
In-Reply-To: <4C94F9C1.5050301@crcom.net>
References: <4C94F8F4.5020108@crcom.net> <4C94F9C1.5050301@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1284833016975-2545372.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Len,

wouldn't that be

set the hscroll of field "myField" to 0

regards
Bernd
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep 18 14:05:07 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:05:07 -0700
Subject: Getting Property Names
In-Reply-To: <1284833016975-2545372.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4C94F8F4.5020108@crcom.net> <4C94F9C1.5050301@crcom.net>
	<1284833016975-2545372.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <142287164859.20100918110507@ahsoftware.net>

Bernd-

Saturday, September 18, 2010, 11:03:36 AM, you wrote:

> wouldn't that be

> set the hscroll of field "myField" to 0

No doubt it would. But you can also say

put the keys of (the properties of field "myField")

to get the (more or less) complete list of properties.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Sep 18 14:33:49 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:33:49 -0700
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <C8B952FA.4CBD5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8B952FA.4CBD5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4C95060D.7000705@pdslabs.net>

  Good idea. On a couple of my machines (one Mac, one Win) the speed was so fast 
that the fade was almost undetectable, so I went with:

repeat with N = 100 down to 1
    set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to N
    wait 4 milliseconds with messages
end repeat

... and a similar repeat with N = 1 to 100.

That made the fade last .4 sec to about 1 sec depending on the machine, which is 
an acceptable range for my need. Thanks for the ideas!

Phil



On 9/17/10 5:16 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Phil:
>
> I don't know if you tried Klaus's suggestion (programmatically setting the
> blendLevel), but you'll have more control compared to using the built-in
> dissolve effect, and if I'm not mistaken the dissolve will look like crap on
> Windows without QT installed.  Just a suggestion.
>
> on mouseUp
>     put the screenRect into pTargetScreenRect
>     showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
>     wait 3 seconds with messages
>     send "showNormalScreen" to me
> end mouseUp
>
> command showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
>     # pTargetScreenRect = the rect of your target screen
>     -- make a 'cover' stack to fill screen
>     create inv stack "screencover" -- temp stack, no need to save it
>     set the backgroundColor of stack "screencover" to black
>     set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
>     palette stack "screencover" -- make this stack the frontmost layer
>     set the rect of stack "screencover" to pTargetScreenRect -- size to
> screen
>     show stack "screencover" -- but it's still transparent
>     -- make the screen go dark
>     repeat with N = 19 down to 0
>        set blendLevel of stack "screencover" to N * 5
>        wait 20 millisecs with messages
>     end repeat
> end showBlackScreen
>
> command showNormalScreen
>     -- make the screen look normal again
>     repeat with N = 1 to 20
>        set blendLevel of stack "screencover" to N * 5
>        wait 20 millisecs with messages
>     end repeat
>     delete stack "screencover" -- end the stack's existence
> end showNormalScreen
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
>
> Recently, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>>    Thanks so much everyone! Great tips all. Here is my final code, tested on
>> Mac
>> OS X 10.5.8 and Windows 7:
>>
>> command showBlackScreen pTargetScreenRect
>>      # pTargetScreenRect = the rect of your target screen
>>
>>      -- make a 'cover' stack to fill screen
>>      create inv stack "screencover" -- temp stack, no need to save it
>>      set the backgroundColor of stack "screencover" to black
>>      set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
>>      palette stack "screencover" -- make this stack the frontmost layer
>>      set the rect of stack "screencover" to pTargetScreenRect -- make it same
>> size as screen
>>      show stack "screencover" -- but it's still transparent
>>
>>      -- make the screen go dark
>>      lock screen -- hide changes until all is ready for display
>>      set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 1 -- almost opaque (0 causes
>> flash on Win 7)
>>      set the defaultStack to "screencover" -- to make dissolve work right
>>      unlock screen with effect dissolve fast -- to reveal black stack
>> end showBlackScreen
>>
>>
>>
>> command showNormalScreen
>>      -- make the screen look normal again
>>      lock screen -- hide changes until all is ready for display
>>      set the defaultStack to "screencover" -- to make dissolve work right
>>      set the blendLevel of stack "screencover" to 100 -- transparent
>>      unlock screen with effect dissolve fast -- to reveal normal screen
>>      delete stack "screencover" -- end the stack's existence
>> end showNormalScreen
>>
>>
>> Best -
>> Phil
>>
>
>
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Professional Software Development
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Sep 18 14:45:00 2010
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:45:00 -0500
Subject: Mac OS X - how to darken screen?
In-Reply-To: <C4D64047-6B53-405E-A79D-0BDF8BC2D670@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <C8BA72DC.54C0F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> if you are using the external ssMacWindows you can use the command
> ssDisplayFadeOut to let the system handle fading the screen to black..

I totally forgot about that! Thanks for the reminder!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 14:50:54 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:50:54 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:12 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:
> On 9/18/10 8:56 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Monte Goulding
>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> What about the cost of all the object creation/manipulation  that you
>>> don't need if you are just using it as data storage.
>>
>> I speak about something easy to manipulate and you reply with cost.
>
> I think what Monte is saying is that because the datagrid object does all
> the same manipulations with arrays and custom properties that you could do
> yourself, using a custom property avoids a lot of code and object
overhead.
> In many cases, data can be stored directly into the stack as a custom
> property (or property set) where it is easy to update using the same
methods
> as the datagrid.
>
> But because your dictionary is displayed on a card, I think your method is
> good. You can let the datagrid handle the details of managing the data and
> displaying it. You need to use display fields anyway, so there is only a
> small extra cost by letting a datagrid create them. But if the data is for
> storage only, then there is no reason to have all the extra code,
libraries,
> and objects -- updating a custom property set and getting values from it
is
> very easy and quick. You can load the entire data set into a variable with
> one line of code and access any part of it with another single line. I
don't
> see a need to use a visual datagrid if the data is never displayed. It's
> much faster to work with a variable. Field access is one of the slowest
> things in Rev, and avoiding field access and object creation will speed up
> execution by quite a bit.
>
> Each method has advantages, it depends on what you need to do with the
data.

Jacque I'm totally agree. It exists so many ways to solve a problem. I
solved this one the way I prefer developing as I explain.
Thanks to have clarified things. Because I have not totally understood
Monte's arguments, that I consider destructives.

In any case I have to regret the way I solve this because I learn a lot
about datagrid by using it.

As illustration, this is a sample of the DGH dictionary:

DGH Dictionary sample<http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/images/dgh_dictionary.png>

In it I have defined profiles, views, etc and the code manages automatically
all of that. I can add a new property, change a row object, an event
attached to a button by updating only a parameter.

Please, consider this hidden datagrid as a table only visible by the
administrator of the stack 8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Sep 18 14:50:58 2010
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:50:58 -0500
Subject: [OT] The lessons of Ion
In-Reply-To: <201009172317.14632.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C8BA7442.54C15%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 9/17/10 5:17 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> I have to tell you, this is an experience to make you think and scratch
> your head and think some more.  If Apple were right, it should not work.
> If Gnome were right, it should not work.  And on day 1 it does not.  But on
> day n, it not only works, it feels just perfectly right and automatic, your
> fingers just do things, and you forget you are using Ion, its just how
> things are done here.
> 
> Try it.  You will never feel the same about HIGs and that guy and his silly
> law again.  Fitts he might have been.  And you will never again confuse
> being easy to use on day 1 for the ignorant with being easy to use  when
> you know it well and are experienced.  No, they are completely different
> things.

Thanks for the insight, Peter... sometimes turning the UI inside out is just
what's needed to work with it more efficiently. It reminds me of the
once-useful and now-not-so-much-so utility for Mac OS X called
"Quicksilver"... it allowed you to do much of the same kind of thing - hit a
keystroke, type a few characters, hit Enter, and you're there - having
launched an app, or invoked a process, or even run a service like web
searches or text parsing.

Sometimes "less" really IS "more"...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat Sep 18 16:00:55 2010
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:00:55 +0200
Subject: [OT] The lessons of Ion
In-Reply-To: <201009172317.14632.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <201009172317.14632.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C7BE9774-1B8C-4D4D-A294-59F9AC56B7D1@mines-paristech.fr>

by curiosity, are you old enough to have lived the times where the controversy in the unix world that was:
what is the best editor: vi or ed (hint: at that time, emacs did not exist)?

I have, and, as far as I am concerned, I avoid by any means available OSs that make you feel like you are playing colossal cave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure
The pervert idea that Firefox should be called  iceweasel makes me puke.

And, on a non tangential relevant point, the whole point of Revolution is to facilitate the construction of GUI programs over transcripts. 

Le 18 sept. 2010 ? 00:17, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :

> The interesting thing about ion is that it makes you think really hard 
> about what is ease of use, what is user friendly, what about those famous 
> laws, the HIG, and the one about where your points of clicking ought to be 
> that I always forget the name of because I hate it so much.  Here is how 
> Ion2 works.
> 
> It is sort of tangentially relevant because if you were packing a one app 
> OS, and you wanted a one app window manager, basically an embedded Rev app, 
> ion would be one way to do it.  As long as you do not have too many new 
> windows overlapping, however.
> 
> You start out looking at a totally blank screen with a top border which 
> says 'empty frame' at the top.  It is also totally black except this 
> border, which is a quite attractive shade of blue/grey, with white 
> lettering on it.  There are no clues what to do next.
> 
> You are an insider or have a crib sheet, and so you know that F1 brings up 
> a man page, F2 opens a terminal (the second most important thing a guy 
> needs in his interface), and F3 lets you launch an app by name, which is a 
> nice to have but not essential, because real men launch from a terminal, of 
> course.  
> 
> So lets say you go ahead, and you type in icewe followed by a tab.  It will 
> complete to iceweasel, which is the Debian name for firefox (yes, you had 
> to know that), and when you hit enter, firefox launches and occupies the 
> entire screen.  OK, you think, how about mail?  So you hit F3 again, now 
> you type in kmail, hit enter, and up pops your email.  In a tab, also 
> occupying the entire screen. 
> 
> Now you have an idea.  Why don't we split the screen?  So now you do alt+k 
> s.  instantly, your pane is split into two equal parts, vertically, one 
> like the first, black with nothing in it, the other with your two tabs.  
> You want to resize?  alt+r and use the arrow keys.  You want to kill a 
> panel?  Just right click in the border and close.  Same thing for a tab.
> 
> You are geting bored and desperately want the full Debian menu?  F12 brings 
> it up.
> 
> It sounds impossible, and rather ridiculous.  But here is what is amazing.  
> There comes a point at which all this suddenly becomes automatic as a way 
> of working.  You do not think about it or look for your crib sheet, you 
> just enter a few characters, and things happen.  You never have one window 
> behind another, nothing ever overlaps.  You get used to splitting up your 
> panes just so, for instance a calculator always open in the top right of 
> your three or four.  A file manager under it.  Then the main window.  A 
> terminal someplace of course.
> 
> There are no, zero widgets.  No taskbar.  No clock or date.  Nothing to 
> tell you about the status of the network.  What is F2 for, after all?  
> Presumably one of your little panes someplace is always running a terminal, 
> so who needs widgets?  There are not even any borders.  All you see is apps 
> and a tiny little bar at the top telling yoiu which tab you are in by going 
> a paler shade of blue grey.
> 
> I have to tell you, this is an experience to make you think and scratch 
> your head and think some more.  If Apple were right, it should not work.  
> If Gnome were right, it should not work.  And on day 1 it does not.  But on 
> day n, it not only works, it feels just perfectly right and automatic, your 
> fingers just do things, and you forget you are using Ion, its just how 
> things are done here.
> 
> Try it.  You will never feel the same about HIGs and that guy and his silly 
> law again.  Fitts he might have been.  And you will never again confuse 
> being easy to use on day 1 for the ignorant with being easy to use  when 
> you know it well and are experienced.  No, they are completely different 
> things.
> 
> Ion is a bit under resourced at the moment, as Richard pointed out.  But 
> for the deprived minimalist, there are other alternatives, most notably 
> from the nosuck school of software, wmii, awesome, and a couple more of 
> that ilk.  If you are interested enough to try ion, have a look at wmii and 
> its associates too.  Anyone with a serious interest in man computer 
> interfaces will find it worth the effort.
> 
> Peter
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From rabit at dimensionB.de  Sat Sep 18 16:31:17 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:31:17 +0200
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
In-Reply-To: <4C94F931.8060206@hindu.org>
References: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>	<096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>
	<960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>
	<4C94F931.8060206@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C7EAD3A5-033D-4472-8F01-7DF0D2D5D6C0@dimensionB.de>


For XSS filtering see the rigXssClean() function
in system/libraries/Input.irev.

Unfortunately revIgniter's implementation for escaping database queries
can not be associated with only one handler you could copy and paste.
This subject is a bit more complex, so please bare with me when I  point you
to entire libraries like system/database/DBactiveRec.irev,
system/database/DBdriver.irev and system/database/drivers/mysql/mysqlDriver.irev.

Cheers

Ralf


On 18.09.2010, at 19:38, Web Admin Himalayan Academy wrote:

> On 9/18/10 3:08 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:
>> just to clarify:
>> active record database queries are escaped automatically by revIgniter,
>> not by the server engine. Obviously the revIgniter user guide is
>> capable of being misunderstood here. I will change that.
>> 
>> Regarding XSS attacks:
>> revIgniter comes with a Cross Site Scripting Hack prevention filter
>> which can either run automatically to filter all POST and COOKIE data
>> that is encountered, or you can run it on a per item basis.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Ralf
> 
> where in the framework can i find that code i.e library files... for now I need to use it outside the revigniter framework (see other memo on that issue.)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Skts



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 17:42:10 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:42:10 +0200
Subject: Print Field error in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <9A58A003-B46D-461F-92A9-743AC1F1C493@virginbroadband.com.au>
References: <9A58A003-B46D-461F-92A9-743AC1F1C493@virginbroadband.com.au>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1hBbUvq9UOp9p46bkyjYmh=YFxRD8yV-XDu7Z@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Brent Summerton <
bsummerton at virginbroadband.com.au> wrote:

>
> To date I have been unable to print a field named "Results"
>
> I am using Enterprise 4.5.0 on a Mac 10.6.4 to produce a Standalone for
> Windows PC.
>
> on Mouseup
>  revPrintField the name of field "Results"
> end Mouseup
>
> Works in Mac Standalone, not Windows.  I have problem solved EVERYTHING!
>
> I had checked Fonts were Windows appropriate, Size and Color.  Color has
> been set to Web Safe "000000" Black.  In the standalone the text shows as
> black and prints as black on my Mac.
>
> In Windows...   NOTHING WORKS - Prints BLANK pages !!
>
> I tried a little test. I told the print button to put the field contents
> into a field on a New Stack then print.
>
> on Mouseup
>  Put field "Results" into A
>  Open stack "Printing"
>  Put A into field "Results"
>  revPrintField the name of field "Results"
> end Mouseup
>
> I have found that the text when inputed into the new field on the new stack
> is invisible (white) until highlighted!!!!  Somewhere between "getting" the
> field "Results" data which is set to "Web Safe 000000 Black" the data is
> being changed to white?
>
> What can I do to the following script to tell Windows that what I am
> printing is to be BLACK!!
>
> on Mouseup
>  revPrintField the name of field "Results"
> end Mouseup
>
> Going insane....    Thank
> you._______________________________________________
>

Hi Brent,

I have the remembering that you have reported the same problem on the list
in December or may be January.
Print in white is that I call a classical. Recently a client contact me
because the newsletter he sent to his followers was empty. In the css the
text was defined to white. He was confused when I have made him select the
text in the mail and the text appeared magicaly by highlighted it. Funny.
8-)

To be back to your problem, maybe have you followed the advices I replied to
you first post. So you have probably already set the color of your text to
black.

Have you tried to remove the field "Results" and create a new one with the
same name?
Do you built your standalone on mac or windows? If on mac, try to build it
on windows after to have opened and saved your stack on windows. In my
experience with other both platform development tools (not Rev) sometimes
the result of the compilation is different when you resaved forms or here
stacks in the destination platform.
For the same reason try also to remove and recreate your field on windows.


Regards
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 18 17:42:34 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:42:34 -0500
Subject: What is the name of that function...
Message-ID: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>

?that lets you cycle among a sequence of numbers without using mod? I've read through the functionnames three times but nothing seems to be it. 

Someone asked on the list not too long ago, and I said to myself, "Remember that!" and of course I remember saying that, but I don't remember?that.

Somebody knows? what is it.



t

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep 18 17:49:21 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:49:21 -0700
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
Message-ID: <39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>

Tereza-

Saturday, September 18, 2010, 2:42:34 PM, you wrote:

> Somebody knows
 what is it.

I was (wrap) going to try (wrap) to remember it (wrap) as well, but
it's (wrap) not on the tip of my (wrap) tongue...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 17:53:01 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:53:01 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper is on the road for open beta test
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuKyFJrViGtNTTyz8Qou5o6PgDwmSN8Ch7kaSs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikuKyFJrViGtNTTyz8Qou5o6PgDwmSN8Ch7kaSs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-t3NjOticHqstVqJTS7dQT_+w7TYofN12TQWe@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:58 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of an open beta
> version of the Data Grid Helper plugin.
>
> The Data Grid Helper is a plugin dedicated to the datagrid object. It
> helps:
> - managing datagrid properties
> - creating templates for columns and forms
> - creating code for columns and forms behavior
> - installing ready to use code
>
> A quick start guide is available in the same download section than the
> tool.
>
> The plugin is free to use during 20 days. You can report bugs off-list
> or in the forum dedicated to the DGH plugin.
>
> To download the open beta version and take part to the forum, you have
> to create an account in the Slug's website.
> The stuff is located in the Download section.
>
>
> I would like to thank all the closed beta testers for their tests,
> bugs report and support.
>
> Thanks also to Trevor DeVore for all his lessons concerning the
> datagrid object and to have shared the code of the library with us.
> And thanks to the members of the list. I'm learning a lot by reading
> all the posts. A special thanks to Richard Gaskin for his post, months
> ago, about behaviors and Scott Rossi who gives me interface
> inspiration by sharing his work.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>


Dear testers,

I have just updated DGH. The new version is available with the updater tool
nested inside DGH.
This version closed the list of bugs I had to fix.

I have more time to fix things the two following weeks, so if you have found
bugs in the tool, don't hesitate to send them to me or use the forum I built
in the Slug's website.

Thanks a lot in advance.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Sep 18 17:53:04 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:53:04 +0100
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4C9534C0.8000809@tweedly.net>

  wrap

but why do you want to avoid 'mod' ?

-- Alex.

On 18/09/2010 22:42, Tereza Snyder wrote:
> ?that lets you cycle among a sequence of numbers without using mod? I've read through the functionnames three times but nothing seems to be it.
>
> Someone asked on the list not too long ago, and I said to myself, "Remember that!" and of course I remember saying that, but I don't remember?that.
>
> Somebody knows? what is it.
>
>
>
> t_______________________________________________
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep 18 18:05:43 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:05:43 +1000
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <35FC4276-230B-458E-B211-8FE7056A3939@sweattechnologies.com>

> But because your dictionary is displayed on a card, I think your method is good. 

The original email was discussing using hidden datagrids with no mention of having them visible to manipulate.

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 18 18:08:29 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:08:29 -0500
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <4C9534C0.8000809@tweedly.net>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<4C9534C0.8000809@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E23F1573-BFEE-473F-9137-2BBA73A26724@califex.com>


On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> wrap
> 
> but why do you want to avoid 'mod' ?

because there's always a fiddle with 0 (along with cats), and offsets, and I'm too lazy to write that function AGAIN.

t

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep 18 18:12:10 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:12:10 +1000
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
In-Reply-To: <960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>
References: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>
	<096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>
	<960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <9595FE4E-A9D5-4BE7-98E8-E57DE99FBA0D@sweattechnologies.com>

> just to clarify:
> active record database queries are escaped automatically by revIgniter,
> not by the server engine. Obviously the revIgniter user guide is
> capable of being misunderstood here. I will change that.


Sorry Ralf, I love your work but this is not a misunderstanding. It's clearly written at the bottom of this page:
http://revigniter.com/userGuide/database/queries.html

The secondary benefit of using binds is that the values are automatically escaped, producing safer queries. You don't have to remember to manually escape data; the engine does it automatically for you.

Cheers
--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 18 18:23:22 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:23:22 -0500
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>


On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Tereza-
> 
> Saturday, September 18, 2010, 2:42:34 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Somebody knows
> what is it.
> 
> I was (wrap) going to try (wrap) to remember it (wrap) as well, but
> it's (wrap) not on the tip of my (wrap) tongue?
> 

Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function! And it doesn't work with negative numbers*! 

*
on tabkey
   if the shiftkey is down then get sCurrentvalue-1 wrap 5
  ?

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep 18 18:23:54 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:23:54 +1000
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FABC654-4EED-404C-9781-DF729114B85E@sweattechnologies.com>

>> What about the cost of all the object creation/manipulation that you don't need if you are just using it as data storage.
> 
> I speak about something easy to manipulate and you reply with cost.

Yes, Did you read the original post? It was about using HIDDEN datagrids! Clearly this is not what you do so why are you getting your back up?

Monte

From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Sep 18 18:33:56 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:33:56 -0700
Subject: Showing Invisible Fields
Message-ID: <0D0E6FC5-E4DB-43BB-9515-DB2691F0D432@mollysrevenge.com>

I'm having problems making invisible fields show up on a card.  I  
click the "Show Invisible Objects" option on the View menu and some  
invisible fields show up but not all.  In the Application Browser, I  
can open the property inspector for a field that does not show up,  
then check the Visible option and it shows up.  Uncheck it and it  
disappears again.

Pete Haworth










From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 18:49:58 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:49:58 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <8FABC654-4EED-404C-9781-DF729114B85E@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<8FABC654-4EED-404C-9781-DF729114B85E@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQNPTyLV_-FtQaH5zFF4TDW496XuG6qPMjVWn4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>> What about the cost of all the object creation/manipulation that you don't need if you are just using it as data storage.
>>
>> I speak about something easy to manipulate and you reply with cost.
>
> Yes, Did you read the original post? It was about using HIDDEN datagrids! Clearly this is not what you do so why are you getting your back up?

Hum yes I read the original post and the post you missed of Andrew
when he needs help to initialize his hidden datagrid located in an
hidden card, two weeks ago.
All I try to do is help with thing I have already do, not destroy a
solution, not impose a solution. I'm for debating things with
arguments, examples.

They're is no perfect solution in my knowledge and we can debate of
that, friendly and kindly.

For example, in applications, a parameter table is often hidden but an
administrator can handle it, and can have an interface to set things.


It seems that you take my answers wrong, so I'll stop there.


See you next time for another debate about development. 8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Sep 18 18:51:39 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:51:39 -0700
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
Message-ID: <30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>

Tereza-

Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:23:22 PM, you wrote:

> Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function! And it doesn't work with negative numbers*!

mod is also an operator. And negative numbers? I wouldn't expect those
to work - it work that way for word problems with either operator:

If Johnny owes nine dollars and gives five of those dollars he doesn't
have to Fred, how many does he have left over?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sat Sep 18 19:05:44 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:05:44 +1000
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>

> Because I have not totally understood
> Monte's arguments, that I consider destructives.

LOL

Monte


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 19:54:00 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 01:54:00 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Monte Goulding
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>> Because I have not totally understood
>> Monte's arguments, that I consider destructives.
>
> LOL
>
> Monte

lol? LOL??

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From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Sep 18 20:27:47 2010
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Unable to select text in script editor!!
Message-ID: <1284856067385-2545631.post@n4.nabble.com>


I am using Rev 4.0 Build 950 for the Mac. I have been experiencing sporadic
problems in the script editor. At times, I unable to select text. In these
situations, I can insert the cursor before text or after text to  move
forward to add or move backwards to delete text. 

I have checked my preferences and found nothing. I have experienced this
with the Script Debug turn on and off. I have been forced to save and quit
and then restart Rev to get rid of this problem. Does anybody have any ideas
how I can fix this? 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Sep 18 20:35:34 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:35:34 -0300
Subject: is there a tutorial about application menus?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrTikExw_MbZLkrtqX58kwJLJwGpFJmTCQDVPr@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Is there a tutorial available about creating application menus? I seldom use
them and I understand that there's new syntax available. I went to
revLessons and tutorials site but haven't seen any outstanding option
available.

Andre

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From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 18 21:12:54 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:12:54 -0500
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
Message-ID: <543ED8B5-46EC-4AF5-9645-23762546311A@califex.com>


On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> 
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Tereza-
>> 
>> Saturday, September 18, 2010, 2:42:34 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Somebody knows
>> what is it.
>> 
>> I was (wrap) going to try (wrap) to remember it (wrap) as well, but
>> it's (wrap) not on the tip of my (wrap) tongue?
>> 
> 
> Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function! And it doesn't work with negative numbers*! 
> 
> *
> on tabkey
>   if the shiftkey is down then get sCurrentvalue-1 wrap 5
>  ?
> 
> t
> 

Actually it DOES work with negative numbers, it doesn't work with 0, i.e. 0 wrap 4 is 0, and 0 is taken care of by:

 if the shiftKey is down then get  (it - 1 + tMax) wrap 3 else get (it + 1) wrap tMax

From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 18 21:13:34 2010
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:13:34 -0500
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
	<30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7CE97793-9828-4148-93A8-69062022D79F@califex.com>


On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:23:22 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function! And it doesn't work with negative numbers*!
> 
> mod is also an operator. And negative numbers? I wouldn't expect those
> to work - it work that way for word problems with either operator:
> 
> If Johnny owes nine dollars and gives five of those dollars he doesn't
> have to Fred, how many does he have left over?

a credit default swap?

t



From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Sep 18 21:19:38 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:19:38 -0300
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <7CE97793-9828-4148-93A8-69062022D79F@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
	<30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>
	<7CE97793-9828-4148-93A8-69062022D79F@califex.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTXrKp5ZeuU9wRE=uy2wS_Xb=_RjamJjCsH+Kt@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Tereza Snyder <tereza at califex.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:23:22 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function! And it doesn't work with
> negative numbers*!
> >
> > mod is also an operator. And negative numbers? I wouldn't expect those
> > to work - it work that way for word problems with either operator:
> >
> > If Johnny owes nine dollars and gives five of those dollars he doesn't
> > have to Fred, how many does he have left over?
>

Looks like my bank account...


>
> a credit default swap?
>
> t
>
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep 18 21:25:52 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] The lessons of Ion
In-Reply-To: <C7BE9774-1B8C-4D4D-A294-59F9AC56B7D1@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <201009172317.14632.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C7BE9774-1B8C-4D4D-A294-59F9AC56B7D1@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <1284859552758-2545647.post@n4.nabble.com>


No, I missed out on the fun with vi and ed.  I am old enough to remember text
only interfaces however and felt that the GUI was a great liberation from
them.  This was Macs, and for many years I bought into 'ease of use' and
HIGs until the GUIs started to get more and more obtrusive and irritating
and I began to think about why I was still doing things in some ridiculously
complicated way - where were the shorcuts?  They were not there, because so
much of the GUI we know and love today evolved in an era when there were
lots of new users for whom things had to be dumbed down so they could have
instant usability.  

At some point I realized that it is worth spending a few hours learning
something unfamiliar in order to go three times as quickly and with much
less irritation at the end of it. 

The interesting thing about Ion is that it is not obscurantist, after only a
few days, although certainly it starts out feeling that way.  Its also an
interface that is definitely post GUI.  It is not an attempt to get rid of
the mouse.  Its a different approach to the relationship between the OS and
applications.  In a funny way, there is something early Mac like about it,
in the sense that the author has looked at the interface from the point of
view that what the OS interface must do is get out of the way and let you at
the applications, not make you click all the time in all these nesting menus
as if you were a four year old with a short attention span for learning.

Why do we accept that you have to learn how to use spreadsheets and word
processors and photo editors and programming languages, but think that
everyone should be able to pick up a computer and use it without learning
anything, and then be forced to carry on using it the same way on day 300 as
they did on day 1?

To get everything you need done in Ion only takes a dozen key combinations. 
Most of what you need can be done with three or four.  It does depend on the
applications working graphically as they always did.  But the OS interface
and all its widgets and windows and clicking through stuff just vanishes. It
is not like the extreme ones like ratpoison either where you virtually have
no mouse.  You do use the mouse in Ion, but only for a few OS things that
its best for.   So you just memorize the key combinations.  it only takes an
hour.  Why is that so awful?

Iceweasel, Icedove and so on in Debian?  Well, you probably know, its to do
with how open the branding is and what license it comes with.  I have too
much respect for the Debian guys to argue very much about it, if they do it,
they must have good reasons.

You have to give Ion a fair run to have the AHA experience.  And anytime you
get sick of it, you can flip to Gnome with a logout.  Try it.  But try it
for long enough to have that moment.  
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Sep 18 22:36:26 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:36:26 -0700
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
	<30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C95772A.3000200@pdslabs.net>

  Hey, it works for the government!

Key:
Johnny = US Treasury
Fred = Federal Reserve Bank
:-)

(OK, it would be funnier if it were less true - I'll say no more)


On 9/18/10 3:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> If Johnny owes nine dollars and gives five of those dollars he doesn't
> have to Fred, how many does he have left over?

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From rman at free.fr  Sun Sep 19 05:45:47 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1B73AB5A-20E2-491B-8FDF-507468A51879@dvcreators.net>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
	<1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1B73AB5A-20E2-491B-8FDF-507468A51879@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <1284889547212-2545759.post@n4.nabble.com>


.. and as you mention such a datagrid dataObject should allow the standard
find to find it's elements.. or provide an extended find function, like the
one I put up on revOnline (which only works for datagrids with cached mode
turned on).

The way datagrids are being used is interesting. 

1) datagrids are the most tangible evolution of the runrev IDE and that was
needed to stay in touch with what other "modern" languages are providing

THis evolution started with the more frequent usage of properties as data
containers.... away from the hypercard metaphore (all the data is in fields
within cards and "find" finds it all..).

2) it is a big step AWAY from the hypercard metaphore, because for the first
time... the find does not work anymore on data that is created using a
standard object palette.. whouaouu... that is biiiigg!

4) so to move ahead and stay coherent with the hypercard metaphor, runrev
does need a dataObject which is CONSISTENT (visible like datagrids, or not
visible like datagrids without the group & fields overhead, working with
find). What do people around think about that?? (I can only hope that runrev
listens to that if I'm not alone thinking that aloud..)

5) and Yes, I heard you.. think aloud.. but that is "4D" and runrev is not
4D nor "fileMaker". why not??? Would it be SO DIFFICULT to implement a
minimal data object that would work like BENTO, but right inside runrev???
is'nt it already nearly there with datagrids??? 

I wonder if any of us tried doing some relationnal dbase kind of stuff with
datagrids!!!??? 

P.S : Josh : what sepearate data source do you use to feed datagrids with??
thanks


Josh Mellicker wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> So it would be interesting I thing if actually Datagrids were split into
>> A)
>> the datagrid dataObject and B) the datagrid viewer... so you could have
>> several views of the same datas...
> 
> I have thought exactly the same thing... The first thing I do with most
> data grids is add a live search box which of course requires a separate
> data source to get data from, filter, then display in the grid.
> 
> 
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Sun Sep 19 10:30:12 2010
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:30:12 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1284889547212-2545759.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
	<1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1B73AB5A-20E2-491B-8FDF-507468A51879@dvcreators.net>
	<1284889547212-2545759.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6E176235-B4E8-474B-82F7-83C6AC0E2EBA@dvcreators.net>


On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:45 AM, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:

> P.S : Josh : what sepearate data source do you use to feed datagrids with??
> thanks

A remote MySQL database.



From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 19 12:56:18 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Server-less chat?
Message-ID: <165895.61000.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I had the idea from a simple Windows application called IPMsg (http://ipmsg.org/index.html.en). I wanted to make my own but somehow, I'm having a problem thinking up the concept of how to make it work. Can anyone help me get the logic?





From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Sep 19 14:30:57 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:30:57 -0600
Subject: Server-less chat?
In-Reply-To: <165895.61000.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <165895.61000.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B16931C7-BBDD-4DAC-9CDC-29639D189799@swcp.com>

For a LAN try broadcast UDP to 255,255,255,255.  There is no signup,  
everybody receives everything.  If any oneis not running the chat,  
that is OK.  A person can go in and out.  Choose some obscure port  
for now.

On some operating systems you don't receive your own broadcast, so  
handle that.

Dar


On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Shadow Slash wrote:

> I had the idea from a simple Windows application called IPMsg  
> (http://ipmsg.org/index.html.en). I wanted to make my own but  
> somehow, I'm having a problem thinking up the concept of how to  
> make it work. Can anyone help me get the logic?
>
>
>
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From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 19 14:34:23 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:34:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Server-less chat?
In-Reply-To: <B16931C7-BBDD-4DAC-9CDC-29639D189799@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <798585.94576.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks! I'll try that!


--- On Sun, 19/9/10, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> From: Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: Server-less chat?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, 19 September, 2010, 6:30 PM
> For a LAN try broadcast UDP to
> 255,255,255,255.? There is no signup, everybody
> receives everything.? If any oneis not running the
> chat, that is OK.? A person can go in and out.?
> Choose some obscure port for now.
> 
> On some operating systems you don't receive your own
> broadcast, so handle that.
> 
> Dar
> 
> 
> On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Shadow Slash wrote:
> 
> > I had the idea from a simple Windows application
> called IPMsg (http://ipmsg.org/index.html.en). I wanted
> to make my own but somehow, I'm having a problem thinking up
> the concept of how to make it work. Can anyone help me get
> the logic?
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep 19 17:16:23 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:16:23 -1000
Subject: iRev Input Validation Libraries
In-Reply-To: <C7EAD3A5-033D-4472-8F01-7DF0D2D5D6C0@dimensionB.de>
References: <4C943CCD.2000807@hindu.org>	<096BF93A-81F1-498F-9A46-9C7006811582@sweattechnologies.com>	<960E2A5C-B4EC-49A8-A80D-084C7318D4D4@dimensionB.de>	<4C94F931.8060206@hindu.org>
	<C7EAD3A5-033D-4472-8F01-7DF0D2D5D6C0@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <4C967DA7.1060800@hindu.org>

  On 9/18/10 10:31 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:
> For XSS filtering see the rigXssClean() function
> in system/libraries/Input.irev.
>
> Unfortunately revIgniter's implementation for escaping database queries
> can not be associated with only one handler you could copy and paste.
> This subject is a bit more complex, so please bare with me when I  point you
> to entire libraries like system/database/DBactiveRec.irev,
> system/database/DBdriver.irev and system/database/drivers/mysql/mysqlDriver.irev.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ralf

Aloha, Ralf:

Thanks for the path. I believe I have successfully extracted rigXssClean 
and all dependencies

see this little stack:

  go stack  decompress (url  
"http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/rigXssClean.rev.gz")

Everything is in the "test" button, which I can now turn into an iRev 
include.

I want tothank you for the time you take documenting your code in the 
scripts themselves! It made the extraction task quite easy.

The only function not in input.irev  was function _rigRawURLDecode  and 
I found that in  Common.irev

I believe I have successfully extracted a working cleaner... a repeat 
function to pass all the values from

$_Post   through this cleaner should work.

The only thing I am not clear on is the pImage parameter.  I assume that 
in the case of a regular input form (name address, phone, credit card 
info) where all the expected input data is a text string to be later 
stored in a varchar column, this will suffice:

put rigXssClean(pKey, false, text) into fld "result"

and I that the option for put rigXssClean(pKey, true, img)   is used in 
a different context
--where people have the option to upload images files... which is not 
what I'm doing here.

Right?  or do people actually try to insert images into text input fields?

If you had time to look at it I would appreciate it.  This new site area 
only has  9 pages total and perhaps i will be brave later and turn them 
into views and migrate this to rigIgniter.. but for today I need to go 
with this outside...

Cheers from Hawaii

Sivakatirswami









From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep 19 17:20:20 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:20:20 +0200
Subject: Datagrids and the native find command
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUhrpZbA_LGpjbQOERbwJq1kZHa=Mz2SU=PuCh@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:
>
> .. and as you mention such a datagrid dataObject should allow the standard
> find to find it's elements.. or provide an extended find function, like the
> one I put up on revOnline (which only works for datagrids with cached mode
> turned on).
>
> The way datagrids are being used is interesting.
>
> 1) datagrids are the most tangible evolution of the runrev IDE and that was
> needed to stay in touch with what other "modern" languages are providing
>
> THis evolution started with the more frequent usage of properties as data
> containers.... away from the hypercard metaphore (all the data is in fields
> within cards and "find" finds it all..).
>
> 2) it is a big step AWAY from the hypercard metaphore, because for the first
> time... the find does not work anymore on data that is created using a
> standard object palette.. whouaouu... that is biiiigg!

Robert,

What is great with Revolution is that you or me can easily create our
own objects. A foreign object.

The datagrid is one of them. An object built for a specific need:
displaying records. With the datagrid you can display 5, 10 or 100
records. But you might well imagine have a list of 20000 or 50000
records.
However the data send to the datagrid object is not resident in the
fields you can seen by scrolling the list. It resident in a variable,
more exactly in a multidimensional array. All you can see in the
screen is built on the fly and filled by the FillinData handler of the
datagrid. With the minimun cost of objects. 8-)
The (50000 * the number of columns fields) are not really created in
the datagrid, only if you turn the cache to on, but for this amount of
records, it would not adviced. ;)

That is a quote of the datagrid documentation concerning the cache controls:

cache controls
- By default the data grid only draws the controls that are visible on
the screen. In circumstances where you don't have large amounts of
records but the records you have take a long time to draw you may
cache all of the controls when the data grid is drawn. This takes a
little longer to display at the beginning but will offer smooth
scrolling when the user interacts with the data grid.

So that's why when you turn the cache control to on, you are able to
use the find command in it. That is the only way to have the native
find command performs.


A possible workaround for simulating the find command in a datagrid
with a cache control turn to off could consist to select the content
of the field when it is drawn on the screen.
In a custom behavior, you can for example search the text with the
offset function and "boxed" in HTML.


Do you see now why the find command not working with datagrids? Simply
because the datagrid contains only the text display in the screen.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Sep 19 17:23:32 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:23:32 -0600
Subject: Passwords
In-Reply-To: <000101caf8f3$6a4971e0$3edc55a0$@com>
References: <4BF6930C.70205@fourthworld.com>
	<000101caf8f3$6a4971e0$3edc55a0$@com>
Message-ID: <9EC8993E-CD39-4476-87FD-291B0F03AA18@swcp.com>

Hi, Jim,  I'm glad you got your password question solved.

For everyone:  If psssword protection is important, use 4.0.

Dar Scott



On May 21, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Richard,
>
>> You've probably already done this, but to be safe may I ask if you
>> first
>> set the passkey of the stack to the current password before  
>> attempting
>> to change the password itself?
>>
>> I've encountered a few issues with the change to the more-secure  
>> method
>> of password protection used in v4.0, but IIRC what you describe here
>> should work as long as you have access to change the password,  
>> provided
>> by first setting the passkey.
>
> No I didn't and of course that's the answer, otherwise you could  
> just take a
> password protected stack and set its password to empty without  
> knowing the
> password. ;-)
>
> What was throwing me off is the lock symbol still appeared in the
> Application Browser. So you have to set the passkey. Set the  
> password to
> empty. Save the stack and then Refresh the Application Browser. Thanks
> Richard!
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Sep 19 17:45:52 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:45:52 -0600
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
Message-ID: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>

I realize this is an obscure error and folks here might not know, and  
even Rev support thinks it unlikely for people here to know, but I'm  
running out of ideas.

I'm trying to install the current Revolution 4.0 on a simple OS X  
10.4.11.  I tried both installers.  As soon as it gets to  
"Installing..." it jumps to "Cancelling...", spelled with two Ls.  It  
hangs.  I click cancel (an L drops out of the spelling of canceling)  
and I get error 565.1594.

I have several earlier versions installed as well as a couple  
versions of Rev Media.

I welcome any ideas on what I might try.

Dar


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 19 17:51:35 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:51:35 +0200
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
In-Reply-To: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
References: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <E1151F4A-325B-4643-8C5B-CD15FB6BF71D@economy-x-talk.com>

Dar,

Install elsewhere, then copy to that machine.

--
Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
Economy-x-Talk
Http://economy-x-talk.com

Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com


Op 19 sep. 2010 om 23:45 heeft Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> het volgende geschreven:

> I realize this is an obscure error and folks here might not know, and even Rev support thinks it unlikely for people here to know, but I'm running out of ideas.
> 
> I'm trying to install the current Revolution 4.0 on a simple OS X 10.4.11.  I tried both installers.  As soon as it gets to "Installing..." it jumps to "Cancelling...", spelled with two Ls.  It hangs.  I click cancel (an L drops out of the spelling of canceling) and I get error 565.1594.
> 
> I have several earlier versions installed as well as a couple versions of Rev Media.
> 
> I welcome any ideas on what I might try.
> 
> Dar


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Sep 19 18:11:03 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:11:03 -0500
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MiWyMBEUsfZN4ytnzt3w33OF=KOesaR-8Jjci@mail.gmail.com>

Ha, I asked this same question a couple weeks ago. And just like you,
Tereza, I was looking in the wrong place! It's not a function. Seems like it
should be.


> Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function!
>


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Sep 19 18:21:33 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:21:33 -0600
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
In-Reply-To: <E1151F4A-325B-4643-8C5B-CD15FB6BF71D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
	<E1151F4A-325B-4643-8C5B-CD15FB6BF71D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <B7E9BD15-61C6-4A9A-B76D-8AD7DFC265A1@swcp.com>

Does it have to be an Intel 10.4 install?  Or any Intel OS X  
install?  Or any OS X install?

On Sep 19, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Dar,
>
> Install elsewhere, then copy to that machine.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
> Economy-x-Talk
> Http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with  
> Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 19 sep. 2010 om 23:45 heeft Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> het  
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> I realize this is an obscure error and folks here might not know,  
>> and even Rev support thinks it unlikely for people here to know,  
>> but I'm running out of ideas.
>>
>> I'm trying to install the current Revolution 4.0 on a simple OS X  
>> 10.4.11.  I tried both installers.  As soon as it gets to  
>> "Installing..." it jumps to "Cancelling...", spelled with two Ls.   
>> It hangs.  I click cancel (an L drops out of the spelling of  
>> canceling) and I get error 565.1594.
>>
>> I have several earlier versions installed as well as a couple  
>> versions of Rev Media.
>>
>> I welcome any ideas on what I might try.
>>
>> Dar
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 19 18:37:16 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:37:16 +0200
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
In-Reply-To: <B7E9BD15-61C6-4A9A-B76D-8AD7DFC265A1@swcp.com>
References: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
	<E1151F4A-325B-4643-8C5B-CD15FB6BF71D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<B7E9BD15-61C6-4A9A-B76D-8AD7DFC265A1@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <8B4E98E9-01D5-42B7-9660-5A3ECFDE2F18@economy-x-talk.com>

Dar,

That shouldn't matter, because RunRev 4 is a universal binary.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 20 sep 2010, at 00:21, Dar Scott wrote:

> Does it have to be an Intel 10.4 install?  Or any Intel OS X install?  Or any OS X install?



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Sep 19 20:34:16 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:34:16 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Tooltip
Message-ID: <304C0650-4170-480B-91F2-E74E48F741C6@mollysrevenge.com>

I see there is a dgColumnTooltip property for datagrids that sets the  
tooltip displayed when the mouse is over the column header.  Is there  
a way to set the tooltip when the mouse is over a data row in the  
datagrid, not the column header?

Pete Haworth










From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 00:15:32 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:15:32 +0300
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
In-Reply-To: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
References: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4C96DFE4.6010200@gmail.com>

  On 09/20/2010 12:45 AM, Dar Scott wrote:
> I realize this is an obscure error and folks here might not know, and 
> even Rev support thinks it unlikely for people here to know, but I'm 
> running out of ideas.
>
> I'm trying to install the current Revolution 4.0 on a simple OS X 
> 10.4.11.  I tried both installers.  As soon as it gets to 
> "Installing..." it jumps to "Cancelling...", spelled with two Ls.

What is wrong with "cancelling" spelt with 2 Ls?

> It hangs.  I click cancel (an L drops out of the spelling of canceling)

This is because the people who make RunRev are British, but, for some 
reason that always escapes me,
they try to put all of RunRev in United States English; obviously this 
is one of the places where the
'English' came through!

> and I get error 565.1594.
>
> I have several earlier versions installed as well as a couple versions 
> of Rev Media.
>
> I welcome any ideas on what I might try.
>
> Dar
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From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 01:07:39 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:07:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Datagrid Tooltip
In-Reply-To: <304C0650-4170-480B-91F2-E74E48F741C6@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <397986.10141.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

If you are only going to need a static single tooltip, you can just edit the DataGrid Template connected to your datagrid. If you need it to have custom tooltips for each, you can code that into the "FillInData" handler of the Behavior Script.

Hope this helps... :)

--- On Mon, 20/9/10, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:

> From: Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com>
> Subject: Datagrid Tooltip
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 12:34 AM
> I see there is a dgColumnTooltip
> property for datagrids that sets the tooltip displayed when
> the mouse is over the column header.? Is there a way to
> set the tooltip when the mouse is over a data row in the
> datagrid, not the column header?
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Sep 20 01:18:13 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:18:13 +0200
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
In-Reply-To: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
References: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B180D619-577B-4B3B-8E64-FDDE8894196A@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:45 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I welcome any ideas on what I might try.

Place garlic and Ganesha statues in a ring around the machine.

Welcome back! 

sims







From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 01:31:43 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 01:31:43 EDT
Subject: Getting Property Names
Message-ID: <3af03.9d9d9f3.39c84bbf@aol.com>

When you say "the reserved properties" do you mean you also want the custom 
properties? If so, "the customproperties" returns all those in an array.

Craig Newman


From rabit at dimensionB.de  Mon Sep 20 04:43:12 2010
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:43:12 +0200
Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.3.10b released
Message-ID: <2C553F53-B9F3-4E16-AE57-6BA093E86A7F@dimensionB.de>


This Version includes bug fixes and adds
(Spanish / French) language files.

Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/


Best

Ralf


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 06:38:41 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:38:41 +0200
Subject: Datagrid Tooltip
In-Reply-To: <304C0650-4170-480B-91F2-E74E48F741C6@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <304C0650-4170-480B-91F2-E74E48F741C6@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ewrE6Ti2=x78ro40uEOUa6N7H+GCTSVXw-5DA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> I see there is a dgColumnTooltip property for datagrids that sets the
> tooltip displayed when the mouse is over the column header. ?Is there a way
> to set the tooltip when the mouse is over a data row in the datagrid, not
> the column header?
>
> Pete Haworth

Hi Pete,

As pointed out by Shadow Slash you can associate a tooltip in each
field of a row by using the FillInData handler located in the default
column behavior script.

I have just uploaded a new experiment stack in my lab:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=14:experiment-016-tooltips-for-rows-in-a-dg&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63

This lab stack shows how using an invisible column to have a different
tooltip for each rows.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 08:50:25 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I just checked the RunRev homepage right now only to find out about LiveCode!! I suddenly felt that goose bumpy feeling when I first saw it and also when I realized that revMedia, revStudio and revEnterprise is gone from the product lists. There's just "LiveCode". xP





From mikekann at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 09:02:13 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <218569.50766.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Great name. Should also change the name of the company to LiveCode. Congratulations to the home team.

Mike


--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Shadow Slash <shadow.slash at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shadow Slash <shadow.slash at yahoo.com>
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 7:50 AM

I just checked the RunRev homepage right now only to find out about LiveCode!! I suddenly felt that goose bumpy feeling when I first saw it and also when I realized that revMedia, revStudio and revEnterprise is gone from the product lists. There's just "LiveCode". xP



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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 10:06:39 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:06:39 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45AB0153-224B-4115-A306-67C0563DDC5F@verizon.net>

For anyone already curious about this, if you have an existing license for a version of Revolution, when you go into your account settings you'll find that you're already licensed for LiveCode. You can download the release 4.5, now called LiveCode, and as you run it you do a log in using your Rev account email and password. Then it shows you the license you have, and you select that you want to use that license. I had worried briefly, because I was licensed for another two years of any version of Revolution. That need not have covered the product if the name changed!

Apart from some of the interface being dark, and the icon being new, it all looks familiar enough.







From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Mon Sep 20 10:12:50 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <45AB0153-224B-4115-A306-67C0563DDC5F@verizon.net>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<45AB0153-224B-4115-A306-67C0563DDC5F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1284991970688-2547040.post@n4.nabble.com>


So, no revMobile? Just LiveCode? What about On-Rev? While the site still
exists, there don't seem to be links on the new LiveCode site. Whats new
about 4.5 that would make it a worthwhile investment?
-- 
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/GOOSE-BUMPS-tp2546937p2547040.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From wdurden at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 10:17:21 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:17:21 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <45AB0153-224B-4115-A306-67C0563DDC5F@verizon.net>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<45AB0153-224B-4115-A306-67C0563DDC5F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=3e51eGGEvUbE0FE2-F8UEVK5EQG-krnwTvQvt@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Colin,

I am just a tad confused, have folks with a license received a new Rev
account password yet.  I don't want to get stuck in a bit of limbo.  I have
an enterprise license for a little over another year, but on the RC I
downloaded you don't put in the license code any longer and I hadn't
received a specific password from Rev for an account and on the RC I used
the temp password...

Thanks for any clarity on the situation.  Perhaps I should email Heather if
folks have received an account password already...

Wayne


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> For anyone already curious about this, if you have an existing license for
> a version of Revolution, when you go into your account settings you'll find
> that you're already licensed for LiveCode. You can download the release 4.5,
> now called LiveCode, and as you run it you do a log in using your Rev
> account email and password. Then it shows you the license you have, and you
> select that you want to use that license. I had worried briefly, because I
> was licensed for another two years of any version of Revolution. That need
> not have covered the product if the name changed!
>
> Apart from some of the interface being dark, and the icon being new, it all
> looks familiar enough.
>
>
>
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 10:27:17 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:27:17 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=3e51eGGEvUbE0FE2-F8UEVK5EQG-krnwTvQvt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<45AB0153-224B-4115-A306-67C0563DDC5F@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTi=3e51eGGEvUbE0FE2-F8UEVK5EQG-krnwTvQvt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <781CB99D-6A26-4348-B840-E89A05C41691@verizon.net>


On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:17 AM, wayne durden wrote:

> 
> Thanks for any clarity on the situation.  Perhaps I should email Heather if
> folks have received an account password already...



She might be busy today! My account login email arrived only 85 minutes ago, and the general announcement one only 10 minutes ago, so you may have it already by now, or will get it soon hopefully.





From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 10:33:50 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:33:50 -0400
Subject: [OT] competition in the easy to use mobile app dev area
Message-ID: <77864AD0-0772-48A8-8264-A5EC6AF7F50C@verizon.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ADwPLSFeY8





From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Sep 20 10:39:17 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:39:17 +0100
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=3e51eGGEvUbE0FE2-F8UEVK5EQG-krnwTvQvt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>

On 20/09/2010 15:17, "wayne durden" <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am just a tad confused, have folks with a license received a new Rev
> account password yet.  I don't want to get stuck in a bit of limbo.  I have
> an enterprise license for a little over another year, but on the RC I
> downloaded you don't put in the license code any longer and I hadn't
> received a specific password from Rev for an account and on the RC I used
> the temp password...

You should have received account details by now, if not please check your
spam filter then email support at runrev.com.

> Thanks for any clarity on the situation.  Perhaps I should email Heather if
> folks have received an account password already...

We're created an FAQ for existing customers here which I hope is helpful:

http://www.runrev.com/support/faq/

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Sep 20 10:42:47 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:42:47 +0100
Subject: [OT] competition in the easy to use mobile app dev area
In-Reply-To: <77864AD0-0772-48A8-8264-A5EC6AF7F50C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C8BD3177.14829%kevin@runrev.com>

On 20/09/2010 15:33, "Colin Holgate" <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ADwPLSFeY8

Yeah App Inventor looks great, though this sort of scripting environment has
lots of inherent limitations. I wrote a blog entry on this when it first
came out, heading Innovation on Android:

http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Mon Sep 20 11:28:40 2010
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:28:40 -0500
Subject: loading another stack from splash
Message-ID: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>

Hi folks,

I've written an application (a simple notepad) that I wanted to compile. RunRev documentation suggests creating a "splash screen" that
calls the "notepad" so that notepad can save into itself. So I created a stack called Startup. So far it has a single script in the stack script that says

on preopenstackit
   answer the utargetstack of this stack  -- works
   go to stack the utargetstack of this stack -- not working
end preopenstack

utargetstack is defined as Notepad3. When I open the startup stack it displays the name of the "target" stack correctly
in a dialog (ie. Notepad3).

The next line however does nothing. By that I mean it does not seem to load and run
the Notepad3 stack. This is what I get when I say "put the openstacks"

Message Box
revMenubar
revTools
revStartCentre
Startup
revApplicationOverview

Any suggestions?

Thanks

-- Mark
_


From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 11:36:25 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
Message-ID: <180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark,

First off, is that a typo in your handler? -> "preopenstackit".
IMO, that should be "preOpenStack".
Now for your problem, can you try this in place of your code instead?
on preopenstack
   answer the utargetstack of this stack
   go to stack (the utargetstack of this stack)
end preopenstack

If that still didn't work please do tell so I can try to further help you.

--- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

> From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: loading another stack from splash
> To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 3:28 PM
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've written an application (a simple notepad) that I
> wanted to compile. RunRev documentation suggests creating a
> "splash screen" that
> calls the "notepad" so that notepad can save into itself.
> So I created a stack called Startup. So far it has a single
> script in the stack script that says
> 
> on preopenstackit
> ???answer the utargetstack of this
> stack? -- works
> ???go to stack the utargetstack of this
> stack -- not working
> end preopenstack
> 
> utargetstack is defined as Notepad3. When I open the
> startup stack it displays the name of the "target" stack
> correctly
> in a dialog (ie. Notepad3).
> 
> The next line however does nothing. By that I mean it does
> not seem to load and run
> the Notepad3 stack. This is what I get when I say "put the
> openstacks"
> 
> Message Box
> revMenubar
> revTools
> revStartCentre
> Startup
> revApplicationOverview
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- Mark
> _
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 





From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Mon Sep 20 11:57:03 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: On-Rev?
Message-ID: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hey,

We are shifting phases in our project this week and were getting ready to
purchase an on-rev account to host  the databases for our clients. After the
rebrand, the signup page goes to the new LiveCode store, but I don't see an
On-Rev product. Is On-Rev dead?


Andrew
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 12:20:01 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:20:01 -0500
Subject: On-Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLDuhHTexN=5ZPERhv2GOhhfKs+OKSGUh7rFPh@mail.gmail.com>

> We are shifting phases in our project this week and were getting ready to
> purchase an on-rev account to host ?the databases for our clients. After the
> rebrand, the signup page goes to the new LiveCode store, but I don't see an
> On-Rev product. Is On-Rev dead?
>

I still haven't received any account details for either of my Studio
licenses and was just getting ready to send an email..... inquiring
about my On-Rev account also.

I'll let you know what I find out if someone from Rev doesn't reply here.

Best regards,
David C.


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Sep 20 12:22:18 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:22:18 +0100
Subject: On-Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C8BD48CA.14860%kevin@runrev.com>

On 20/09/2010 16:57, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at rjdfarm.com> wrote:

> We are shifting phases in our project this week and were getting ready to
> purchase an on-rev account to host  the databases for our clients. After the
> rebrand, the signup page goes to the new LiveCode store, but I don't see an
> On-Rev product. Is On-Rev dead?

Absolutely not! No changes there.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone




From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Mon Sep 20 12:24:57 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: On-Rev?
In-Reply-To: <C8BD48CA.14860%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C8BD48CA.14860%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1284999897977-2547263.post@n4.nabble.com>


I suppose it is just an issue of them revamping the website for the change. I
will sit tight and try again in a day or two.
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Mon Sep 20 12:25:58 2010
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:25:58 -0500
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.um
	anitoba.ca>,<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>

Thanks Shadow, yes that was a typo in my email, not the hander. I'll cut/paste what I have

on preopenstack
   -- lock screen to true
   -- set visible to false
   answer the utargetstack of this stack
   go to stack (the utargetstack of this stack)
end preopenstack

There are some commented sections (suggested elsewhere) I want to test later. Notepad3 is just another stack residing in the same directory as Startup (might that be the problem? ie. I'm not providing a path or anything just the name of the stack), The bracketing did not help. Thanks

-- Mark
________________________________________
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Shadow Slash [shadow.slash at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:36 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: loading another stack from splash

Hi Mark,

First off, is that a typo in your handler? -> "preopenstackit".
IMO, that should be "preOpenStack".
Now for your problem, can you try this in place of your code instead?
on preopenstack
   answer the utargetstack of this stack
   go to stack (the utargetstack of this stack)
end preopenstack

If that still didn't work please do tell so I can try to further help you.

--- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

> From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: loading another stack from splash
> To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 3:28 PM
> Hi folks,
>
> I've written an application (a simple notepad) that I
> wanted to compile. RunRev documentation suggests creating a
> "splash screen" that
> calls the "notepad" so that notepad can save into itself.
> So I created a stack called Startup. So far it has a single
> script in the stack script that says
>
> on preopenstackit
>    answer the utargetstack of this
> stack  -- works
>    go to stack the utargetstack of this
> stack -- not working
> end preopenstack
>
> utargetstack is defined as Notepad3. When I open the
> startup stack it displays the name of the "target" stack
> correctly
> in a dialog (ie. Notepad3).
>
> The next line however does nothing. By that I mean it does
> not seem to load and run
> the Notepad3 stack. This is what I get when I say "put the
> openstacks"
>
> Message Box
> revMenubar
> revTools
> revStartCentre
> Startup
> revApplicationOverview
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Mark
> _
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From heather at runrev.com  Mon Sep 20 12:44:19 2010
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:44:19 +0100
Subject: On-Rev?
In-Reply-To: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284998223018-2547196.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3E7D78EF-1B41-43BF-A10F-27CBA2376BF1@runrev.com>

On-rev is certainly not dead. If you email me in support at runrev.com I  
can help you purchase on-rev in the interim, it will be added to our  
new store soon.

Regards,

Heather

On 20 Sep 2010, at 16:57, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

>
> Hey,
>
> We are shifting phases in our project this week and were getting  
> ready to
> purchase an on-rev account to host  the databases for our clients.  
> After the
> rebrand, the signup page goes to the new LiveCode store, but I don't  
> see an
> On-Rev product. Is On-Rev dead?
>
>
> Andrew
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/On-Rev-tp2547196p2547196.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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> subscription preferences:
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Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode ? Realize fast, compile-free coding



From heather at runrev.com  Mon Sep 20 12:47:09 2010
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:47:09 +0100
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>

Dear Folks,

Actually, quite a lot of you may still not have your new account  
details - please be patient, it is on its way to you. We have an  
extremely large database we are sending account details to and the  
mail server is taking a little time to work through them.

Warm Regards,

Heather

On 20 Sep 2010, at 15:39, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 20/09/2010 15:17, "wayne durden" <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am just a tad confused, have folks with a license received a new  
>> Rev
>> account password yet.  I don't want to get stuck in a bit of  
>> limbo.  I have
>> an enterprise license for a little over another year, but on the RC I
>> downloaded you don't put in the license code any longer and I hadn't
>> received a specific password from Rev for an account and on the RC  
>> I used
>> the temp password...
>
> You should have received account details by now, if not please check  
> your
> spam filter then email support at runrev.com.
>
>> Thanks for any clarity on the situation.  Perhaps I should email  
>> Heather if
>> folks have received an account password already...
>
> We're created an FAQ for existing customers here which I hope is  
> helpful:
>
> http://www.runrev.com/support/faq/
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode ? Realize fast, compile-free coding



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 12:49:26 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:49:26 EDT
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <7e085.198da6eb.39c8ea96@aol.com>

Taking time? Why not have Rev do it?

In a message dated 9/20/10 12:47:17 PM, heather at runrev.com writes:


> We have an?
> extremely large database we are sending account details to and the?
> mail server is taking a little time to work through them.
> 


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Sep 20 12:53:55 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:53:55 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
Message-ID: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>

Hello,
Colors of images imported into liveCode (4.5) are not the sames in Rev 4.0 ! Darker in 4.0 !
For you is it the same ?

From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 12:55:45 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:55:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
Message-ID: <800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Correction concerning your new script,
if you will use "lock screen" you don't have to include the "to true" after it. Reverting the "lock screen" should be as "unlock screen".
And also "set visible to false" needs to identify what you want to hide like "set visible of stack "mystack" to false". Alternatively, you can also just use "hide stack "mystack"" to shorten your code length.

About the path thing, I think you need to define the path of the stack like "notepad3.rev" or something. Otherwise, you can juse add your notepad3 stack as a substack to your splash stack.

:)

--- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

> From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: RE: loading another stack from splash
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 4:25 PM
> Thanks Shadow, yes that was a typo in
> my email, not the hander. I'll cut/paste what I have
> 
> on preopenstack
> ???-- lock screen to true
> ???-- set visible to false
> ???answer the utargetstack of this stack
> ???go to stack (the utargetstack of this
> stack)
> end preopenstack
> 
> There are some commented sections (suggested elsewhere) I
> want to test later. Notepad3 is just another stack residing
> in the same directory as Startup (might that be the problem?
> ie. I'm not providing a path or anything just the name of
> the stack), The bracketing did not help. Thanks
> 
> -- Mark
> ________________________________________
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
> On Behalf Of Shadow Slash [shadow.slash at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:36 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: loading another stack from splash
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> First off, is that a typo in your handler? ->
> "preopenstackit".
> IMO, that should be "preOpenStack".
> Now for your problem, can you try this in place of your
> code instead?
> on preopenstack
> ???answer the utargetstack of this stack
> ???go to stack (the utargetstack of this
> stack)
> end preopenstack
> 
> If that still didn't work please do tell so I can try to
> further help you.
> 
> --- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> > Subject: loading another stack from splash
> > To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com"
> <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 3:28 PM
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I've written an application (a simple notepad) that I
> > wanted to compile. RunRev documentation suggests
> creating a
> > "splash screen" that
> > calls the "notepad" so that notepad can save into
> itself.
> > So I created a stack called Startup. So far it has a
> single
> > script in the stack script that says
> >
> > on preopenstackit
> >? ? answer the utargetstack of this
> > stack? -- works
> >? ? go to stack the utargetstack of this
> > stack -- not working
> > end preopenstack
> >
> > utargetstack is defined as Notepad3. When I open the
> > startup stack it displays the name of the "target"
> stack
> > correctly
> > in a dialog (ie. Notepad3).
> >
> > The next line however does nothing. By that I mean it
> does
> > not seem to load and run
> > the Notepad3 stack. This is what I get when I say "put
> the
> > openstacks"
> >
> > Message Box
> > revMenubar
> > revTools
> > revStartCentre
> > Startup
> > revApplicationOverview
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -- Mark
> > _
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
> manage
> > your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 20 12:55:43 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:55:43 -0700
Subject: Showing Invisible Fields
In-Reply-To: <0D0E6FC5-E4DB-43BB-9515-DB2691F0D432@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <0D0E6FC5-E4DB-43BB-9515-DB2691F0D432@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <1D7CC4E8-A212-4B1C-983A-840DE6BEC16B@twft.com>

The other fields may be behind other objects and so cannot be seen. They may also be positioned outside the bounds of the card they are on (is that possible??). Try selecting one of the "hidden" fields using tRev or RevNavigator and see if the handles show up. 

Bob


On Sep 18, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I'm having problems making invisible fields show up on a card.  I click the "Show Invisible Objects" option on the View menu and some invisible fields show up but not all.  In the Application Browser, I can open the property inspector for a field that does not show up, then check the Visible option and it shows up.  Uncheck it and it disappears again.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 20 12:57:21 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:57:21 -0700
Subject: Showing Invisible Fields
In-Reply-To: <0D0E6FC5-E4DB-43BB-9515-DB2691F0D432@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <0D0E6FC5-E4DB-43BB-9515-DB2691F0D432@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AD11AC33-D935-44B0-B2CB-0E834F8D7012@twft.com>

Oh just read your post more carefully. That is weird. I wonder if there is some message you are intercepting that is keeping the engine from showing everything. Just shooting in the dark here.

Bob


On Sep 18, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I'm having problems making invisible fields show up on a card.  I click the "Show Invisible Objects" option on the View menu and some invisible fields show up but not all.  In the Application Browser, I can open the property inspector for a field that does not show up, then check the Visible option and it shows up.  Uncheck it and it disappears again.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep 20 13:00:55 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:00:55 -0400
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> Colors of images imported into liveCode (4.5) are not the sames in  
> Rev 4.0 ! Darker in 4.0 !
> For you is it the same ?______________________________________________

LiveCode respects the color profile embedded in the image now.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 20 13:05:58 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:05:58 -0700
Subject: [OT] The lessons of Ion
In-Reply-To: <1284859552758-2545647.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <201009172317.14632.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C7BE9774-1B8C-4D4D-A294-59F9AC56B7D1@mines-paristech.fr>
	<1284859552758-2545647.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A815A16F-6035-4E98-AADF-73A28E552F45@twft.com>

I suppose like anything else, a text based interface lends itself better to some things, but not others. Remember that the GUI was an experiment to see if a computer could look and feel more like people think, because outside the minority of "geeks" (as we were called back then and still are today) no one had the time or patience or cognitive abilities to memorize all those commands! I HATED DOS for just that reason! But I am fond of telling people today who complain about software bugs and the occasional program crash that the most stable OS I have ever used was DOS. 

So it all depends on what your goals are and how much time and effort you have or are willing to devote to getting there. I personally would love to be able to just start from scratch and write my own OS to work the way I would like. The trouble is, I also like beer and burgers and having a life, and those things are constantly getting in my way and taking up all my time. :-)

Bob


On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> No, I missed out on the fun with vi and ed.  I am old enough to remember text
> only interfaces however and felt that the GUI was a great liberation from
> them.  This was Macs, and for many years I bought into 'ease of use' and
> HIGs until the GUIs started to get more and more obtrusive and irritating
> and I began to think about why I was still doing things in some ridiculously
> complicated way - where were the shorcuts?  They were not there, because so
> much of the GUI we know and love today evolved in an era when there were
> lots of new users for whom things had to be dumbed down so they could have
> instant usability.  
> 
> At some point I realized that it is worth spending a few hours learning
> something unfamiliar in order to go three times as quickly and with much
> less irritation at the end of it. 



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Sep 20 13:09:21 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:09:21 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>

It is good ! But I have to (re)create more than 20 images (pixel by pixel) in 1 project (and the others)...
I created many pieces of Macintosh interface missing in RunRev (little sliders by example...) all images must be redrawn...
I think I have done... But no...
:-(   Snif...

Le 20 sept. 2010 ? 19:00, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> Colors of images imported into liveCode (4.5) are not the sames in Rev 4.0 ! Darker in 4.0 !
>> For you is it the same ?______________________________________________
> 
> LiveCode respects the color profile embedded in the image now.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 13:09:22 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:09:22 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <7e085.198da6eb.39c8ea96@aol.com>
References: <7e085.198da6eb.39c8ea96@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DDC216CF-7D9C-4F1E-81A6-162188FA848F@verizon.net>


On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:49 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Taking time? Why not have Rev do it?

Did you mean have LiveCode do it?



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 20 13:11:54 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:11:54 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>

Eheh! Eheh! He said Cheese! BAN HIM! ;-)

Bob


On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:54 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Monte Goulding
> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>> Because I have not totally understood
>>> Monte's arguments, that I consider destructives.
>> 
>> LOL
>> 
>> Monte
> 
> lol? LOL??
> 
> Have you already seen a slug armed with a cheese, hum? Prepare yourself!
> 
> 
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 20 13:12:58 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:12:58 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ren?,

I don't think so. I made a tool for Mac, which lets you assign colour profiles. Export your image from Rev as PNG and assign a colour profile. You can fine the tool at http://www.color-converter.com . You might also be able to do the same with other tools.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 20 sep 2010, at 19:09, Ren? Micout wrote:

> It is good ! But I have to (re)create more than 20 images (pixel by pixel) in 1 project (and the others)...
> I created many pieces of Macintosh interface missing in RunRev (little sliders by example...) all images must be redrawn...
> I think I have done... But no...
> :-(   Snif...



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 13:14:14 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:14:14 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
Message-ID: <16456911937.20100920101414@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 10:11:54 AM, you wrote:

> Eheh! Eheh! He said Cheese! BAN HIM! ;-)

Oops - so did you... we're going to be losing members rapidly at this
rate. And notice that I managed to say that without once typing the
word Cheese.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Sep 20 13:19:16 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:19:16 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <1284889547212-2545759.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
	<1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1B73AB5A-20E2-491B-8FDF-507468A51879@dvcreators.net>
	<1284889547212-2545759.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <ABAE8E16-F544-4F80-99DB-DF06EA17AA35@twft.com>

I was one of the most vocal proponents of some kind of table object, because making one from scratch was sooo much trouble, and anything purporting to be database capable just HAD to have one! So I for one am very thankful for the Datagrid, although learning to work with them properly was almost as much trouble as learning Revolution itself. I am still constantly going back and referring to documentation on how to do one thing or another, and work with behaviors in general. Powerful, but very non-intuitive. 

Still, a data grid is way better than what we had before, a text field that could be kludged into some kind of table looking (but not behaving) sort of object that was really just a tab delimited list. 

So Thanks Rev for the Data Grid. And yes I agree that a table display object that was as native as a field or a button would have been nicer. 

Bob


> <snip>

> THis evolution started with the more frequent usage of properties as data
> containers.... away from the hypercard metaphore (all the data is in fields
> within cards and "find" finds it all..).
> 
> 2) it is a big step AWAY from the hypercard metaphore, because for the first
> time... the find does not work anymore on data that is created using a
> standard object palette.. whouaouu... that is biiiigg!
> 
> 4) so to move ahead and stay coherent with the hypercard metaphor, runrev
> does need a dataObject which is CONSISTENT (visible like datagrids, or not
> visible like datagrids without the group & fields overhead, working with
> find). What do people around think about that?? (I can only hope that runrev
> listens to that if I'm not alone thinking that aloud..)
> <snip>



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Sep 20 13:20:18 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:20:18 -0700
Subject: Showing Invisible Fields
In-Reply-To: <20100920170003.9DB6D2883A1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100920170003.9DB6D2883A1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <519206F4-A126-4182-9348-089665805730@mollysrevenge.com>

I do intercept several messages in front scripts (mouseUp, menuPick  
come to mind).  I tried to relayer the field in the size and position  
tab of the property inspector but the arrows to manipulate the layer  
are greyed out and if I type in a new layer number and tab, I get a  
beep and the layer goes back to the original value.

Pete Haworth

On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Oh just read your post more carefully. That is weird. I wonder if  
> there is some message you are intercepting that is keeping the  
> engine from showing everything. Just shooting in the dark here.
>
> Bob



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Sep 20 13:26:25 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:26:25 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <84A707A6-8E7E-43B0-9903-5E2E823379C3@numericable.com>

Thank you Mark, I'll try
:-)

Le 20 sept. 2010 ? 19:12, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi Ren?,
> 
> I don't think so. I made a tool for Mac, which lets you assign colour profiles. Export your image from Rev as PNG and assign a colour profile. You can fine the tool at http://www.color-converter.com . You might also be able to do the same with other tools.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
> 
> On 20 sep 2010, at 19:09, Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> It is good ! But I have to (re)create more than 20 images (pixel by pixel) in 1 project (and the others)...
>> I created many pieces of Macintosh interface missing in RunRev (little sliders by example...) all images must be redrawn...
>> I think I have done... But no...
>> :-(   Snif...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Sep 20 13:29:39 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:29:39 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Tooltip
In-Reply-To: <20100920162443.1C48928A5A8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100920162443.1C48928A5A8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3FEA0E3A-2E7C-48BD-91F0-C9DC896DB4D0@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks Zryip and Shadow Slash.  Looks like this will work fine.  I  
need to format the tooltip from data in an Sqlite database but the  
principal should be the same.

Pete Haworth

On Sep 20, 2010, at 9:24 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> As pointed out by Shadow Slash you can associate a tooltip in each
> field of a row by using the FillInData handler located in the default
> column behavior script.
>
> I have just uploaded a new experiment stack in my lab:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=14:experiment-016-tooltips-for-rows-in-a-dg&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63
>
> This lab stack shows how using an invisible column to have a different
> tooltip for each rows.
>
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Sep 20 13:34:09 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:34:09 +0200
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <20100918073614.76B462885B2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100918073614.76B462885B2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9B71C5B5-C079-4606-BE1B-4D8CA90473CE@derbrill.de>

Hi Andrew,

>  Whats new about 4.5 that would make it a worthwhile investment?

what?s new (in order of importance to me. mileage may vary)

- On the majority of my projects the engine is a (measured) blazing 30% faster
- PDF printing
- a heap of annoyances fixed
- much more stable Linux version (I might actually try to build a project for Linux now)
- quite some other stuff I am not currently using, but may soon.

Cheers,

Malte

From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 13:37:48 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:37:48 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
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	<56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOFbpgnnXjiYKHsnU3cNndYHr0mpA4GEGQfnZs@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Eheh! Eheh! He said Cheese! BAN HIM! ;-)

Argh! But I did not combined cheese with sex or religion!

> On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:54 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Monte Goulding
>> <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>>>> Because I have not totally understood
>>>> Monte's arguments, that I consider destructives.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Monte
>>
>> lol? LOL??
>>
>> Have you already seen a slug armed with a cheese, hum? Prepare yourself!
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 13:45:25 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:45:25 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <ABAE8E16-F544-4F80-99DB-DF06EA17AA35@twft.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<336AF74D-5D10-42F1-B782-06ACEAD78D9F@twft.com>
	<1284766758915-2544578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1B73AB5A-20E2-491B-8FDF-507468A51879@dvcreators.net>
	<1284889547212-2545759.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<ABAE8E16-F544-4F80-99DB-DF06EA17AA35@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimt3areK0ybA-vWQL79SqqO90CwG5WnTn29ZZOj@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

Bob,

Feel free to download and try the DGH's open beta version. It's free
for 20 days and could change your mind about the non-intuitivity of
the datagrid object ;)

> I was one of the most vocal proponents of some kind of table object, because making one from scratch was sooo much trouble, and anything purporting to be database capable just HAD to have one! So I for one am very thankful for the Datagrid, although learning to work with them properly was almost as much trouble as learning Revolution itself. I am still constantly going back and referring to documentation on how to do one thing or another, and work with behaviors in general. Powerful, but very non-intuitive.
>
> Still, a data grid is way better than what we had before, a text field that could be kludged into some kind of table looking (but not behaving) sort of object that was really just a tab delimited list.
>
> So Thanks Rev for the Data Grid. And yes I agree that a table display object that was as native as a field or a button would have been nicer.
>
> Bob



-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 13:51:52 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:51:52 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOFbpgnnXjiYKHsnU3cNndYHr0mpA4GEGQfnZs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikOFbpgnnXjiYKHsnU3cNndYHr0mpA4GEGQfnZs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111459170625.20100920105152@ahsoftware.net>

zryip-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> Eheh! Eheh! He said Cheese! BAN HIM! ;-)

> Argh! But I did not combined cheese with sex or religion!

...but now you've used all three words together, and separated by a
bare minimum of other letters. You're treading on thin ice, my friend.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From alex at a2technology.com  Mon Sep 20 13:59:53 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:59:53 -0700
Subject: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
Message-ID: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>

Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.  My
apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.

In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and the
Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.

What should I do?
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com
hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 20 14:01:39 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:01:39 -0300
Subject: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_8Ysa5Kn0Ub3JeKuJqK0YZ=-_bR8V092b2_sZ@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.

Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the documents
folder.


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:

> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
>  My
> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
>
> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and the
> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
>
> What should I do?
> --
> Alex Adams
>
> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-724-1397
> alex at a2technology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 20 14:01:39 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:01:39 -0300
Subject: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_8Ysa5Kn0Ub3JeKuJqK0YZ=-_bR8V092b2_sZ@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.

Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the documents
folder.


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:

> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
>  My
> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
>
> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and the
> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
>
> What should I do?
> --
> Alex Adams
>
> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-724-1397
> alex at a2technology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 14:19:58 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:19:58 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>

  Let's see now:

I program with . . . xTalk, Transcript, RevTalk, Revolution, RunRev, 
LiveCode . . .

Yer Wot?

Plain confusing.


From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 20 14:28:14 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:28:14 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>


On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Let's see now:
> 
> I program with . . . xTalk, Transcript, RevTalk, Revolution, RunRev, LiveCode . . .
> 
> Yer Wot?
> 
> Plain confusing.


Make sure to list them all on your CV, it'll look impressive.





From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 14:28:41 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <567014.63095.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I personally prefer it to be called Transcript though.because it just sounds unique and the sort. Plus SourceForge has officially accepted it as one of the programming languages around. And they call it Transcript. So I say and pick Transcript! :)

--- On Mon, 20/9/10, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: GOOSE BUMPS
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 6:19 PM
>  Let's see now:
> 
> I program with . . . xTalk, Transcript, RevTalk,
> Revolution, RunRev, LiveCode . . .
> 
> Yer Wot?
> 
> Plain confusing.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
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> 



From alex at a2technology.com  Mon Sep 20 14:29:44 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:29:44 -0700
Subject: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_8Ysa5Kn0Ub3JeKuJqK0YZ=-_bR8V092b2_sZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BCF628.1CF10%alex@a2technology.com>

Thanks, but that did not work.  There was no My LiveCode folder in my
documents folder.  I created one and gave everyone permission to read/write.
I put libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev in there, but I get the same error
when a start using command is given.

That is the folder designated in preferences.

These do not cause the error and load properly:
start using stack "revDataGridLibrary"
start using stack "Data Grid Templates 1247708866452"

Any other ideas?
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com
hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com


> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:01:39 -0300
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
> 
> Alex,
> 
> You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.
> 
> Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the documents
> folder.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
>>  My
>> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
>> 
>> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and the
>> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
>> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
>> 
>> What should I do?
>> --
>> Alex Adams
>> 
>> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
>> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>> 831-724-1397
>> alex at a2technology.com
>> www.a2technology.com
>> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 14:32:44 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:32:44 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>

  On 09/20/2010 09:28 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Let's see now:
>>
>> I program with . . . xTalk, Transcript, RevTalk, Revolution, RunRev, LiveCode . . .
>>
>> Yer Wot?
>>
>> Plain confusing.
>
> Make sure to list them all on your CV, it'll look impressive.
>

Well, I also speak 'Official' English, Somerset dialect (went to school 
there), Gallovidian Scots,
Arbroath Scots, and Orcadian - but that doth not make me a polyglot, 
only multi-dialectal.

Also; everybody knows that CVs are about 75% "puff" nowadays  . . .  :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 14:39:53 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:39:53 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C97AA79.7010301@gmail.com>

  For those of you who have the 'benefits' of Safari 4.1.2 on Mac OS 
10.4.11 it makes a
"right Horlicks" of the new website; while on Firefox (same OS) it looks 
"right spiffy", as, indeed,
it does through Firefox, IceCat, Chromium and Midori on Ubuntu 10.10 Beta.

Somebody, who probably got paid buckets to design the new website didn't 
do enough checking, cough,
cough.


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Sep 20 15:02:44 2010
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:02:44 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>

Derrr...

I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode.  
Is this an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has  
ownership changed?

Tim


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 15:08:09 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:08:09 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <4C97B119.3070004@gmail.com>

  On 09/20/2010 10:02 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
> Derrr...
>
> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode. Is 
> this an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has 
> ownership changed?
>
> Tim

I don't understand this either; certainly I thought product recognition 
usually hinged
on name recognition.

Presumably ( ???? ) the much-vaunted Free RevMedia age has evaporated in a
puff of smoke - makes me look a right wally when I get kids over here to 
use it
on my Linux boxes in the school when I cannot tell them to go home and sign
up for a free version for their own Windows boxes at home: Oh, Well, 
RunRev shoot
themselves in the foot by encouraging educators to make pirate copies of 
RevMedia
with passkeys . . .  :(


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep 20 15:09:38 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:09:38 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=yLZ-tu32VCL-19Upg7+TwneX_Un7sG1AXdreR@mail.gmail.com>

It's a repackage and rebranding, partially in response to surveys. The
ownership is the same as far as I can tell. The web site looks great.

On 20 September 2010 12:02, Timothy Miller
<gandalf at doctortimothymiller.com>wrote:

> Derrr...
>
> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode. Is this
> an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has ownership changed?
>
> Tim
>
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San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 15:10:43 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:10:43 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=yLZ-tu32VCL-19Upg7+TwneX_Un7sG1AXdreR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<AANLkTi=yLZ-tu32VCL-19Upg7+TwneX_Un7sG1AXdreR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C97B1B3.9060304@gmail.com>

  On 09/20/2010 10:09 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> It's a repackage and rebranding, partially in response to surveys. The
> ownership is the same as far as I can tell. The web site looks great.
>

That's funny; I completed several surveys. I don't remember anything
about name changes and aggressive rebranding.

> On 20 September 2010 12:02, Timothy Miller
> <gandalf at doctortimothymiller.com>wrote:
>
>> Derrr...
>>
>> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode. Is this
>> an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has ownership changed?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 15:13:31 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:13:31 EDT
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <6c9f6.16c65412.39c90c5b@aol.com>

This was a thead a while ago. What to call the language. I also prefer 
"transcript". It sounds grown-up, professional, even. Something "hypertalk" 
lacked; which always seemed, well, not grown-up.

I hope that the product name change (never mind the far less critical 
language name) is well considered, and brings simplicity and success.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 9/20/10 2:28:49 PM, shadow.slash at yahoo.com writes:


> I personally prefer it to be called Transcript though.because it just 
> sounds unique and the sort. Plus SourceForge has officially accepted it as one 
> of the programming languages around. And they call it Transcript. So I say 
> and pick Transcript! :)
> 


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 15:17:17 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:17:17 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <6c9f6.16c65412.39c90c5b@aol.com>
References: <6c9f6.16c65412.39c90c5b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C97B33D.6030101@gmail.com>

  On 09/20/2010 10:13 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> This was a thead a while ago. What to call the language. I also prefer
> "transcript". It sounds grown-up, professional, even. Something "hypertalk"
> lacked; which always seemed, well, not grown-up.
>
> I hope that the product name change (never mind the far less critical
> language name) is well considered, and brings simplicity and success.

A name change normally signals a new direction, a break with the past, 
rather than
continuity building on established foundations. One wonders, in that 
light, how
well considered the name change is; unless, of course, the "Company formally
known as Runtime Revolution" is doing a Hot Black DeSatio ????

> Craig Newman
>
>
> In a message dated 9/20/10 2:28:49 PM, shadow.slash at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> I personally prefer it to be called Transcript though.because it just
>> sounds unique and the sort. Plus SourceForge has officially accepted it as one
>> of the programming languages around. And they call it Transcript. So I say
>> and pick Transcript! :)
>>
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From jim at d-film.com  Mon Sep 20 15:24:17 2010
From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:24:17 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <4C97B33D.6030101@gmail.com>
References: <6c9f6.16c65412.39c90c5b@aol.com> <4C97B33D.6030101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=AjsQqO1Gx2v3RRj=R_ntXTGmpZjyJ0cb-d5wx@mail.gmail.com>

It's New and Improved!

 Congrats to the team and good luck to all of us!


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 15:25:13 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:25:13 +0200
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <111459170625.20100920105152@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikOFbpgnnXjiYKHsnU3cNndYHr0mpA4GEGQfnZs@mail.gmail.com>
	<111459170625.20100920105152@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinDTXeFmjV+pWidPjvpwRYfYZsyygF8isM6yUnF@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> zryip-
>
> Monday, September 20, 2010, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>> Eheh! Eheh! He said Cheese! BAN HIM! ;-)
>
>> Argh! But I did not combined cheese with sex or religion!
>
> ...but now you've used all three words together, and separated by a
> bare minimum of other letters. You're treading on thin ice, my friend.
>

Hopefully, Heather seems very busy at this moment. She'll never catch me!



-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 15:29:40 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:29:40 +0300
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinDTXeFmjV+pWidPjvpwRYfYZsyygF8isM6yUnF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>	<AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>	<56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>	<AANLkTikOFbpgnnXjiYKHsnU3cNndYHr0mpA4GEGQfnZs@mail.gmail.com>	<111459170625.20100920105152@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTinDTXeFmjV+pWidPjvpwRYfYZsyygF8isM6yUnF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C97B624.6010204@gmail.com>

  On 09/20/2010 10:25 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder<mwieder at ahsoftware.net>  wrote:
>> zryip-
>>
>> Monday, September 20, 2010, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Bob Sneidar<bobs at twft.com>  wrote:
>>>> Eheh! Eheh! He said Cheese! BAN HIM! ;-)
>>> Argh! But I did not combined cheese with sex or religion!
>> ...but now you've used all three words together, and separated by a
>> bare minimum of other letters. You're treading on thin ice, my friend.
>>
> Hopefully, Heather seems very busy at this moment. She'll never catch me!
>
>

Why do I think that several people are going do be "curded-off" when they
awake from their Revolutionary reverie to find they have been LiveCoding all
along?



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 16:11:30 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:11:30 -0700
Subject: DataGrid Optimization question
In-Reply-To: <4C97B624.6010204@gmail.com>
References: <1284751875261-2544336.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DCC9E852-1BC9-46CD-A65B-1D4C840DF787@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=PveFYq8PQ4LHGd5nry-NriAbiH4O_4o93f19C@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E9A2143-16E9-4679-B674-7CFF6FF4A8A4@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTiktttvaYqB6UbL0wbh48TfmR8+OECDAETkxh1F5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C94F30E.5000003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikoNZCembk7CP1ec5vrsFzo5EnW6m8=nJey65t9@mail.gmail.com>
	<65B6874E-7C77-433D-95A0-0DECD90927D6@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTikO9yQKynnM_Cdh5AXWTe+yAB0RRGhak196KboC@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FC2F0D-1316-411A-ADF0-0A49872D8421@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikOFbpgnnXjiYKHsnU3cNndYHr0mpA4GEGQfnZs@mail.gmail.com>
	<111459170625.20100920105152@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTinDTXeFmjV+pWidPjvpwRYfYZsyygF8isM6yUnF@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C97B624.6010204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <194467548109.20100920131130@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:29:40 PM, you wrote:

> Why do I think that several people are going do be "curded-off" when they
> awake from their Revolutionary reverie to find they have been LiveCoding all
> along?

's fine by me. I never know what I've been doing all along anyway...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 16:14:35 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <6c9f6.16c65412.39c90c5b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <591185.82715.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, DunbarX at aol.com <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 9/20/10 2:28:49 PM, shadow.slash at yahoo.com
> writes:
> 
> 
> > I personally prefer it to be called Transcript
> though.because it just 
> > sounds unique and the sort. Plus SourceForge has
> officially accepted it as one 
> > of the programming languages around. And they call it
> Transcript. So I say 
> > and pick Transcript! :)
> > 
> This was a thead a while ago. What to
> call the language. I also prefer 
> "transcript". It sounds grown-up, professional, even.
> Something "hypertalk" 
> lacked; which always seemed, well, not grown-up.
> 
> I hope that the product name change (never mind the far
> less critical 
> language name) is well considered, and brings simplicity
> and success.
> 
> Craig Newman
> 

Personally, I'm very much in favour of the sweeping name change. LiveCode is a complete development tool: a language, a platform and an IDE. Much easier to say "I built it in LiveCode" than "I built it in Java, using OpenJDK 6, NetBeans Matisse GUI Builder and Eclipse"
And it is infinitely more internet-searchable.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      



From alex at a2technology.com  Mon Sep 20 16:22:57 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:22:57 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BCF628.1CF10%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <C8BD10B1.1CF40%alex@a2technology.com>

I have now tried some more things.  None work.

I tried creating a folder at the root level of the startup drive and
declaring it in the preferences for the User Extensions path.

My thought was that the My LiveCode folder was not created during
installation maybe because I designated that all users on the machine would
have access to LiveCode, so it would not have put the folder in my user
documents folder.  Good thought, but it didn't work.  I can't find anything
in the preferences to change the installation to consider me the only user.

I tried putting the .rev files in various places in the internal directory
along with the stacks that shipped with the app.  Still no joy.

Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com


> From: Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:29:44 -0700
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
> 
> Thanks, but that did not work.  There was no My LiveCode folder in my
> documents folder.  I created one and gave everyone permission to read/write.
> I put libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev in there, but I get the same error
> when a start using command is given.
> 
> That is the folder designated in preferences.
> 
> These do not cause the error and load properly:
> start using stack "revDataGridLibrary"
> start using stack "Data Grid Templates 1247708866452"
> 
> Any other ideas?
> -- 
> Alex Adams
> 
> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-724-1397
> alex at a2technology.com
> www.a2technology.com
> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
> 
> 
>> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
>> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:01:39 -0300
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
>> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.
>> 
>> Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the documents
>> folder.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
>>>  My
>>> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
>>> 
>>> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and the
>>> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
>>> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
>>> 
>>> What should I do?
>>> --
>>> Alex Adams
>>> 
>>> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
>>> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>>> 831-724-1397
>>> alex at a2technology.com
>>> www.a2technology.com
>>> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 16:34:39 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:34:39 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BD10B1.1CF40%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C8BD10B1.1CF40%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <141468936921.20100920133439@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 1:22:57 PM, you wrote:

> I tried creating a folder at the root level of the startup drive and
> declaring it in the preferences for the User Extensions path.

> Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.

Put a "Plugins" folder inside the folder you declared in the User
Extensions preferences. Put your plugins into the Plugins folder.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 16:35:32 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:35:32 EDT
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <72b70.2f79464f.39c91f94@aol.com>

This alone may be the most important aspect...

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/20/10 4:14:41 PM, janschenkel at yahoo.com writes:

> And it is infinitely more internet-searchable.
> 


From alex at a2technology.com  Mon Sep 20 16:42:01 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:42:01 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
 LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <141468936921.20100920133439@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C8BD1529.1CF4B%alex@a2technology.com>

Sorry, but that didn't work either.
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com


> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> Organization: Ah, Software
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:34:39 -0700
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
> LiveCode?
> 
> Alex-
> 
> Monday, September 20, 2010, 1:22:57 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I tried creating a folder at the root level of the startup drive and
>> declaring it in the preferences for the User Extensions path.
> 
>> Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.
> 
> Put a "Plugins" folder inside the folder you declared in the User
> Extensions preferences. Put your plugins into the Plugins folder.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Sep 20 16:46:35 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:46:35 -0500
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <72b70.2f79464f.39c91f94@aol.com>
References: <72b70.2f79464f.39c91f94@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ef2Jvdc-sdGAYXWVLb8rpF2QVFFG0mHD4PD29@mail.gmail.com>

OOPS. LiveCode.com isn't *owned*. I would've expected THAT to be a
prerequisite before naming.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> This alone may be the most important aspect...
>
> Craig Newman
>
> In a message dated 9/20/10 4:14:41 PM, janschenkel at yahoo.com writes:
>
> > And it is infinitely more internet-searchable
>


From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Sep 20 17:01:40 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:01:40 -0600
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <D00C1D80-0094-4E31-95F5-F816981446BE@swcp.com>


On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode.  
> Is this an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has  
> ownership changed?

No doubt it is to keep it distinct from the revolution.  When and if  
it comes.

Dar Scott



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 17:06:53 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:06:53 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <D00C1D80-0094-4E31-95F5-F816981446BE@swcp.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<D00C1D80-0094-4E31-95F5-F816981446BE@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <165470871078.20100920140653@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:01:40 PM, you wrote:

> No doubt it is to keep it distinct from the revolution.  When and if
> it comes.

...won't be televised, though...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Mon Sep 20 18:06:27 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:06:27 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <165470871078.20100920140653@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<D00C1D80-0094-4E31-95F5-F816981446BE@swcp.com>
	<165470871078.20100920140653@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <EDADEB93-B01A-45D4-B3F0-CA32C23D43E1@cruzio.com>

Will T-Rev still work with LiveCode?


On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Dar-
> 
> Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:01:40 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> No doubt it is to keep it distinct from the revolution.  When and if
>> it comes.
> 
> ...won't be televised, though...
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep 20 18:12:42 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:12:42 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <EDADEB93-B01A-45D4-B3F0-CA32C23D43E1@cruzio.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<D00C1D80-0094-4E31-95F5-F816981446BE@swcp.com>
	<165470871078.20100920140653@ahsoftware.net>
	<EDADEB93-B01A-45D4-B3F0-CA32C23D43E1@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_81LN2hBZdB0xDFFTNrF4n-a2XpVQjuK+Jqic@mail.gmail.com>

It does.

sqb

On 20 September 2010 15:06, Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com> wrote:

> Will T-Rev still work with LiveCode?
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Dar-
> >
> > Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:01:40 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> No doubt it is to keep it distinct from the revolution.  When and if
> >> it comes.
> >
> > ...won't be televised, though...
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> > mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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-- 



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more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 19:02:56 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:02:56 -0500
Subject: Valentina ADK
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzw6ujrCgh62-roN19R1D=YeWkqQFHgBf3_yyK@mail.gmail.com>

I just purchased the Valentina ADK and am having a heck of a time trying to
write records to a table.  I created the database and and table in
Valentina...just not exactly sure how to write to the table.  I tried
following the supplied examples but for some reason I just can't grasp the
concept.  Are there any good examples/tutorials outside of what was supplied
with the software that anyone can point me too?

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Sep 20 19:11:53 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:11:53 -0400
Subject: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_8Ysa5Kn0Ub3JeKuJqK0YZ=-_bR8V092b2_sZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>
	<AANLkTin_8Ysa5Kn0Ub3JeKuJqK0YZ=-_bR8V092b2_sZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAAE0F95-F6F2-485A-86A4-043CA39DC439@mac.com>

Can't access Preferences at all in LiveCode let alone Files. And there is no "My LiveCode" folder inside the documents folder here.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com

I Can Speak on the iPad Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8


On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.
> 
> Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the documents
> folder.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
>> My
>> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
>> 
>> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and the
>> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
>> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
>> 
>> What should I do?
>> --
>> Alex Adams
>> 
>> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
>> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
>> 831-724-1397
>> alex at a2technology.com
>> www.a2technology.com
>> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 20 19:15:10 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:15:10 +1000
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <141468936921.20100920133439@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C8BD10B1.1CF40%alex@a2technology.com>
	<141468936921.20100920133439@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CB31C9BC-28F1-4013-847E-4102DA2C9BF3@sweattechnologies.com>

>> Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.
> 
> Put a "Plugins" folder inside the folder you declared in the User
> Extensions preferences. Put your plugins into the Plugins folder.

Aren't these both script libraries? If so then they should go in:
<User Extensions>/Resources/Script Libraries

That will integrate them with the standalone builder. At least it did when I originally wrote the SB. The IDE Should provide options for loading these libraries at startup but it doesn't. I used to have a plugin for that but I haven't had time to maintain it for years. Make a quick plugin that parses the stacks in that folder at startup and starts using them and your set.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep 20 19:21:43 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:21:43 -0700
Subject: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <BAAE0F95-F6F2-485A-86A4-043CA39DC439@mac.com>
References: <C8BCEF29.1CF06%alex@a2technology.com>
	<AANLkTin_8Ysa5Kn0Ub3JeKuJqK0YZ=-_bR8V092b2_sZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAAE0F95-F6F2-485A-86A4-043CA39DC439@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsvUa6sdu=xy1nF1hE+w+NSMa3EFinDv5tnu4S@mail.gmail.com>

A lot of prefs got reset. And the "My Livecode" folder would have to be
created (hopefully not using the "my"). Then go into Rev prefs and "Files
And Memory" and at the bottom is the "USER EXTENSIONS" field - set that to
whatever folder you want - including your old rev folder.

On 20 September 2010 16:11, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

> Can't access Preferences at all in LiveCode let alone Files. And there is
> no "My LiveCode" folder inside the documents folder here.
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com
>
> I Can Speak on the iPad Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Alex,
> >
> > You can go to Preferences -> Files and set your extensions folder there.
> >
> > Or you can use the default one which is "My LiveCode" inside the
> documents
> > folder.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Just downloaded the shiny new LiveCode onto my Mac Snow Leopard machine.
> >> My
> >> apps use libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev.
> >>
> >> In runRev 4.5 I keep them at the same level as the Revolution app and
> the
> >> Externals and Resources folders.  I have tried placing them at the same
> >> level of these folders inside LiveCode.app, but no joy.
> >>
> >> What should I do?
> >> --
> >> Alex Adams
> >>
> >> hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
> >> A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> >> 831-724-1397
> >> alex at a2technology.com
> >> www.a2technology.com
> >> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Sep 20 19:28:10 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:28:10 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <CB31C9BC-28F1-4013-847E-4102DA2C9BF3@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <C8BD10B1.1CF40%alex@a2technology.com>
	<141468936921.20100920133439@ahsoftware.net>
	<CB31C9BC-28F1-4013-847E-4102DA2C9BF3@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_25Er662i2ePUrn4AJPJ6DzVitbJbf=5L_2sQ@mail.gmail.com>

The confusion is because of the name change. Just go into the Livecode
preferences and set the user extensions setting to your old rev user
extensions folder and/or name them what you want. We haven't had to do this
for years.

On 20 September 2010 16:15, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

> >> Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.
> >
> > Put a "Plugins" folder inside the folder you declared in the User
> > Extensions preferences. Put your plugins into the Plugins folder.
>
> Aren't these both script libraries? If so then they should go in:
> <User Extensions>/Resources/Script Libraries
>
> That will integrate them with the standalone builder. At least it did when
> I originally wrote the SB. The IDE Should provide options for loading these
> libraries at startup but it doesn't. I used to have a plugin for that but I
> haven't had time to maintain it for years. Make a quick plugin that parses
> the stacks in that folder at startup and starts using them and your set.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 19:59:17 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:59:17 -0500
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <EDADEB93-B01A-45D4-B3F0-CA32C23D43E1@cruzio.com>
References: <C8BD30A5.14818%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CDDC6CAE-7A38-47A8-BFB6-B008D701A8E4@runrev.com>
	<4C97A5CE.7080800@gmail.com>
	<A6D5C161-F573-462C-907C-B720A0BA1323@verizon.net>
	<4C97A8CC.9040203@gmail.com>
	<43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<D00C1D80-0094-4E31-95F5-F816981446BE@swcp.com>
	<165470871078.20100920140653@ahsoftware.net>
	<EDADEB93-B01A-45D4-B3F0-CA32C23D43E1@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xCafTcET2oM50AQ3ye=-eG5CacTsXvbsDG-sM@mail.gmail.com>

> Will T-Rev still work with LiveCode?

...only if you use a Mac.
The rest of us are out of luck.


Best regards,
David C.


From alex at a2technology.com  Mon Sep 20 20:05:16 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:05:16 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
 LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_25Er662i2ePUrn4AJPJ6DzVitbJbf=5L_2sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BD44CC.1CF66%alex@a2technology.com>

Did that.  Set it to the last rev folder where they have been working fine
all along.  Still no go.
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com


> From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:28:10 -0700
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
> LiveCode?
> 
> The confusion is because of the name change. Just go into the Livecode
> preferences and set the user extensions setting to your old rev user
> extensions folder and/or name them what you want. We haven't had to do this
> for years.
> 
> On 20 September 2010 16:15, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>>>> Any ideas?  I'm dead in the water until this is resolved.
>>> 
>>> Put a "Plugins" folder inside the folder you declared in the User
>>> Extensions preferences. Put your plugins into the Plugins folder.
>> 
>> Aren't these both script libraries? If so then they should go in:
>> <User Extensions>/Resources/Script Libraries
>> 
>> That will integrate them with the standalone builder. At least it did when
>> I originally wrote the SB. The IDE Should provide options for loading these
>> libraries at startup but it doesn't. I used to have a plugin for that but I
>> haven't had time to maintain it for years. Make a quick plugin that parses
>> the stacks in that folder at startup and starts using them and your set.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> M E R Goulding Software Development
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
>> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 20:30:46 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:30:46 +1000
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BD44CC.1CF66%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <AANLkTin_25Er662i2ePUrn4AJPJ6DzVitbJbf=5L_2sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8BD44CC.1CF66%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVhXurd=zX5PGbMf=wjATwSnzK8Ardn3nxxFqX@mail.gmail.com>

While not an ideal solution, for the quick fix, can you include these
2 stacks in the stackFiles of the mainStack that needs to access them?
Then that stack would know where they were and you could "start
using".

Cheers,
Sarah


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
> Did that. ?Set it to the last rev folder where they have been working fine
> all along. ?Still no go.
> --
> Alex Adams


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 20 21:01:09 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:01:09 -0500
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BD44CC.1CF66%alex@a2technology.com>
References: <C8BD44CC.1CF66%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <4C9803D5.90300@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/20/10 7:05 PM, Alex Adams wrote:
> Did that.  Set it to the last rev folder where they have been working fine
> all along.  Still no go.

I had trouble too until someone pointed out to me that the folder you 
want to specify in prefs is the one that contains the plugins folder, 
not the plugins folder itself.

I've got the file path in the prefs pane set to this, which works:

/Users/<myName>/Documents/My Revolution Enterprise

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 21:23:05 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:23:05 -0700
Subject: on-rev
Message-ID: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>

All-

Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
server..." Have to force-quit it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 21:25:48 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:25:48 -0600
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't used it in forever because it sucks, but let me check real
quick...

Yep, hangs at connecting to server.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> All-
>
> Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
> server..." Have to force-quit it.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 21:29:32 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:29:32 -0400
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9i+Qf9308Pv+OHMVKhhxkoBiUKL-xFc0fU=Ae@mail.gmail.com>

Same here...  in short, I have become very disappointed in the founder's
deal for on-rev.  Felt like just enough was created to launch to market and
then stagnant as other saleable offerings were targetted....

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't used it in forever because it sucks, but let me check real
> quick...
>
> Yep, hangs at connecting to server.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> wrote:
>
> > All-
> >
> > Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
> > server..." Have to force-quit it.
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> >  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 20 21:30:10 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:30:10 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>

Mike-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 6:25:48 PM, you wrote:

> I haven't used it in forever because it sucks...

...agreed, but I need to debug a post command in a way that needs the
intervention of the IDE...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 20 21:33:24 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:33:24 +1000
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>

It did that to me occasionally. Have you tried turning it offanonagain? I ended up giving up and using Ralf's TextMate bundle+Cyberduck.

> Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
> server..." Have to force-quit it.

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 22:52:37 2010
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:52:37 +1000
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>

>> I haven't used it in forever because it sucks...
>
> ...agreed, but I need to debug a post command in a way that needs the
> intervention of the IDE...

Mark, have your irev script save the $_POST parameters to a log file
on the server.
It makes debugging non-interactive, but at least it gets you the info you need.

Cheers,
Sarah


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 20 23:20:49 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:20:49 -0300
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Sarah Reichelt
<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

> >> I haven't used it in forever because it sucks...
> >
> > ...agreed, but I need to debug a post command in a way that needs the
> > intervention of the IDE...
>
> Mark, have your irev script save the $_POST parameters to a log file
> on the server.
> It makes debugging non-interactive, but at least it gets you the info you
> need.
>


better than that dump $_POST_RAW to a file...

($_POST_RAW is my favorite global, I convinced them on creating that while I
was there in Edinburgh during the weeks before the conference, without it
you can't do uploads)


>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From alex at a2technology.com  Mon Sep 20 23:27:59 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:27:59 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
 LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVhXurd=zX5PGbMf=wjATwSnzK8Ardn3nxxFqX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BD744F.1CF7D%alex@a2technology.com>

I'll try that and let you know in the morning.
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com


> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:30:46 +1000
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
> LiveCode?
> 
> While not an ideal solution, for the quick fix, can you include these
> 2 stacks in the stackFiles of the mainStack that needs to access them?
> Then that stack would know where they were and you could "start
> using".
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
>> Did that. ?Set it to the last rev folder where they have been working fine
>> all along. ?Still no go.
>> --
>> Alex Adams
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 20 23:29:59 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:29:59 +1000
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>

> ($_POST_RAW is my favorite global, I convinced them on creating that while I
> was there in Edinburgh during the weeks before the conference, without it
> you can't do uploads)

or PayPal IPN

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Sep 20 23:49:11 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:49:11 +0200
Subject: Web Deployment
Message-ID: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>

One of the items in the My Products list is titled  "Web Deployment".

Can anyone explain what that item refers to?  What that product, "Web Deployment" is?

sims







From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 20 23:52:50 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:52:50 +1000
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>

revWeb

On 21/09/2010, at 1:49 PM, jim sims wrote:

> One of the items in the My Products list is titled  "Web Deployment".
> 
> Can anyone explain what that item refers to?  What that product, "Web Deployment" is?
> 
> sims
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 00:04:05 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:04:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <135712.16998.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I believe that's for revWeb (RunRev / LiveCode's Browser-based Deployment)

--- On Tue, 21/9/10, jim sims <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:

From: jim sims <sims at ezpzapps.com>
Subject: Web Deployment
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 3:49 AM

One of the items in the My Products list is titled? "Web Deployment".

Can anyone explain what that item refers to?? What that product, "Web Deployment" is?

sims





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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 21 00:43:20 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 01:43:20 -0300
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimryEsbcyNoH2bzEV8dsw9vm1gqZ30Zr9mAUzWp@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Monte Goulding <
monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

> > ($_POST_RAW is my favorite global, I convinced them on creating that
> while I
> > was there in Edinburgh during the weeks before the conference, without it
> > you can't do uploads)
>
> or PayPal IPN
>

Actually it was created specifically for PayPal IPN. During the conference I
went on to demo PayPal IPN built with RevServer and I could not reassemble
the request with the variables in the same order so I asked if they could
build a global for me...

:-D


>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep 21 00:48:39 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:48:39 +1000
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimryEsbcyNoH2bzEV8dsw9vm1gqZ30Zr9mAUzWp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimryEsbcyNoH2bzEV8dsw9vm1gqZ30Zr9mAUzWp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D7C338D-EF82-4FA6-9911-8F70CB00BF87@sweattechnologies.com>


> Actually it was created specifically for PayPal IPN. During the conference I
> went on to demo PayPal IPN built with RevServer and I could not reassemble
> the request with the variables in the same order so I asked if they could
> build a global for me...

Curse those arrays and their lack of order! 

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 01:47:06 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:47:06 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21502084203.20100920224706@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 7:52:37 PM, you wrote:

> Mark, have your irev script save the $_POST parameters to a log file
> on the server.
> It makes debugging non-interactive, but at least it gets you the info you need.

Thanks, that's what I ended up doing and solved the problem. Took me
back quite a few years to debugging by printf statements...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 01:50:25 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:50:25 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimryEsbcyNoH2bzEV8dsw9vm1gqZ30Zr9mAUzWp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTimryEsbcyNoH2bzEV8dsw9vm1gqZ30Zr9mAUzWp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <144502282890.20100920225025@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Monday, September 20, 2010, 9:43:20 PM, you wrote:

> Actually it was created specifically for PayPal IPN. During the conference I
> went on to demo PayPal IPN built with RevServer and I could not reassemble
> the request with the variables in the same order so I asked if they could
> build a global for me...

...and debugging the IPN response was of course exactly what I was
trying to do... unfortunately the $_POST_RAW array was empty, but
$_POST had what I was looking for.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Sep 21 03:05:03 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:05:03 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>

Hello Marck,
I don't understand fonctionnalities of color-converter. I can't understand how can color-converter can change more than 20 colors of an images in one click !?
Ren?

Le 20 sept. 2010 ? 19:12, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi Ren?,
> 
> I don't think so. I made a tool for Mac, which lets you assign colour profiles. Export your image from Rev as PNG and assign a colour profile. You can fine the tool at http://www.color-converter.com . You might also be able to do the same with other tools.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
> 
> On 20 sep 2010, at 19:09, Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> It is good ! But I have to (re)create more than 20 images (pixel by pixel) in 1 project (and the others)...
>> I created many pieces of Macintosh interface missing in RunRev (little sliders by example...) all images must be redrawn...
>> I think I have done... But no...
>> :-(   Snif...
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep 21 04:45:21 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:45:21 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ren?,

Please, have a look at the other utility, CC File Converter. It lets you add or change color profiles (but it is Mac-only). There might be other utilities for Windows that can do the same.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 21 sep 2010, at 09:05, Ren? Micout wrote:

> Hello Marck,
> I don't understand fonctionnalities of color-converter. I can't understand how can color-converter can change more than 20 colors of an images in one click !?
> Ren?



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Sep 21 05:33:03 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:33:03 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>

Thank you Mark
I solved my problem with Pixelmator. The setting was empirical at first, but then it worked. All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
Bon souvenir de Paris
Ren?

Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 10:45, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi Ren?,
> 
> Please, have a look at the other utility, CC File Converter. It lets you add or change color profiles (but it is Mac-only). There might be other utilities for Windows that can do the same.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
> 
> On 21 sep 2010, at 09:05, Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> Hello Marck,
>> I don't understand fonctionnalities of color-converter. I can't understand how can color-converter can change more than 20 colors of an images in one click !?
>> Ren?
> 
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 05:56:53 2010
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:56:53 +0100
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <A4F215F4-1C16-426D-90A1-94B68F074422@azurevision.co.uk>


On 21 Sep 2010, at 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:

> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...

On the other hand, some of us have been waiting *five years* for ICC profile support in Rev/LiveCode, because it's not possible to do proper photographic apps without it!

Ian

From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Sep 21 06:11:16 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:11:16 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <A4F215F4-1C16-426D-90A1-94B68F074422@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<A4F215F4-1C16-426D-90A1-94B68F074422@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8D82625F-4047-40BC-8A8A-10B18D1DA5ED@numericable.com>

I have not yet tried to import new images, I just flunked the colors of my old images. I hope the new profile solves all the problems of inconsistency!
:-)   or   :-(   ??

Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 11:56, Ian Wood a ?crit :

> 
> On 21 Sep 2010, at 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
> 
>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
> 
> On the other hand, some of us have been waiting *five years* for ICC profile support in Rev/LiveCode, because it's not possible to do proper photographic apps without it!
> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Sep 21 06:35:23 2010
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:35:23 +0100
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>

On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...

This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means breaking stacks 
that were adapted to work with the previous behaviour.  But for me this is a 
massive upgrade because now Rev/LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I 
accept some eggs have been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!

Ben

(who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in English...)


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep 21 06:40:23 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:40:23 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Ben,

> On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
> 
> This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means breaking stacks that were adapted to work with the previous behaviour.  But for me this is a massive upgrade because now Rev/LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I accept some eggs have been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!
> 
> Ben
> 
> (who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in English...)

I am sure in french this is something with CHEESE! :-D


Best

Klaus

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Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Sep 21 07:22:25 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:22:25 +0100
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - should be interesting to see how that goes. $199 for being able to
create revWeb plugin deployment. If RunRev are right, then there will be
plenty of people willing to pay this - they know their customers. I'll stick
my neck out here and disagree, regardless of what the customer surveys
indicate, I'd bet revWeb sales do not meet expectations, and that not many
of the people that express interest in this deployment option will convert
to paying customers.

On 21 September 2010 04:52, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

> revWeb
>
> On 21/09/2010, at 1:49 PM, jim sims wrote:
>
> > One of the items in the My Products list is titled  "Web Deployment".
> >
> > Can anyone explain what that item refers to?  What that product, "Web
> Deployment" is?
> >
> > sims
>


From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 21 07:28:29 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:28:29 -0700
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>

I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
for quite some time now and many have purchased
it already so if they continue to develop it more will
likely purchase it and with the right improvements
it can exceed their sales expectations.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:22 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Yes - should be interesting to see how that goes. $199 for being able to
> create revWeb plugin deployment. If RunRev are right, then there will be
> plenty of people willing to pay this - they know their customers. I'll stick
> my neck out here and disagree, regardless of what the customer surveys
> indicate, I'd bet revWeb sales do not meet expectations, and that not many
> of the people that express interest in this deployment option will convert
> to paying customers.
> 
> On 21 September 2010 04:52, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>> revWeb
>> 
>> On 21/09/2010, at 1:49 PM, jim sims wrote:
>> 
>>> One of the items in the My Products list is titled  "Web Deployment".
>>> 
>>> Can anyone explain what that item refers to?  What that product, "Web
>> Deployment" is?
>>> 
>>> sims
>> 
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From psahores at free.fr  Tue Sep 21 07:34:21 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:34:21 +0200
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>

Monte,

> I ended up giving up and using Ralf's TextMate bundle+Cyberduck.

Same there. The last version of CyberDuck seems to support the FTPS protocol but when i tried it against on-rev, the list directory works but nor the download/edit and upload files sems to work for me. Any tough about the way to go (needed opened ports or so...) ?

Best regards,

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Sep 21 08:28:00 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:28:00 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
	<DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>

In french : "on ne fait pas d'omelette sans casser des ?ufs" > "we do not make an omelet without breaking eggs"
and, YES, there is omelette with cheese !  ;-)

Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 12:40, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :

> Hi Ben,
> 
>> On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
>>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
>> 
>> This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means breaking stacks that were adapted to work with the previous behaviour.  But for me this is a massive upgrade because now Rev/LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I accept some eggs have been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
>> (who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in English...)
> 
> I am sure in french this is something with CHEESE! :-D
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep 21 08:29:25 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:29:25 +1000
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
Message-ID: <ADD6D88D-1CA7-4951-AE62-BD5A06AF48FC@sweattechnologies.com>

> Same there. The last version of CyberDuck seems to support the FTPS protocol but when i tried it against on-rev, the list directory works but nor the download/edit and upload files sems to work for me. Any tough about the way to go (needed opened ports or so...) ?


Haven't tried sorry.

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Sep 21 08:29:52 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:29:52 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
	<DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
	<15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <618EE39A-28EF-48E9-AA92-1C8872AE26E0@major.on-rev.com>

Bonjour Ren?,

> In french : "on ne fait pas d'omelette sans casser des ?ufs" > "we do not make an omelet without breaking eggs"
> and, YES, there is omelette with cheese !  ;-)

I KNEW I was right! :-D

> Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 12:40, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :
> 
>> Hi Ben,
>> 
>>> On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
>>>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
>>> 
>>> This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means breaking stacks that were adapted to work with the previous behaviour.  But for me this is a massive upgrade because now Rev/LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I accept some eggs have been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> (who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in English...)
>> 
>> I am sure in french this is something with CHEESE! :-D

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From wdurden at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 08:33:21 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:21 -0400
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <ADD6D88D-1CA7-4951-AE62-BD5A06AF48FC@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
	<ADD6D88D-1CA7-4951-AE62-BD5A06AF48FC@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_Yqa4+SB2ydh4aqZxgTUqKVNUAEkHcXLkGMQ+@mail.gmail.com>

On the windows side the Mozilla FireFTP plugin works for me against on-rev.
Not sure if the plugin exists for the mac version of FireFox but the service
does respond to FTP transfers for me...

Wayne


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
> wrote:

> > Same there. The last version of CyberDuck seems to support the FTPS
> protocol but when i tried it against on-rev, the list directory works but
> nor the download/edit and upload files sems to work for me. Any tough about
> the way to go (needed opened ports or so...) ?
>
>
> Haven't tried sorry.
>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Sep 21 08:34:22 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:34:22 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <618EE39A-28EF-48E9-AA92-1C8872AE26E0@major.on-rev.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
	<DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
	<15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>
	<618EE39A-28EF-48E9-AA92-1C8872AE26E0@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <D49A27D9-5D21-42EF-BFAC-4E5BC81171F8@numericable.com>

It does not take a big risk by combining "France" and "Cheese"   ;-)

Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 14:29, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :

> Bonjour Ren?,
> 
>> In french : "on ne fait pas d'omelette sans casser des ?ufs" > "we do not make an omelet without breaking eggs"
>> and, YES, there is omelette with cheese !  ;-)
> 
> I KNEW I was right! :-D
> 
>> Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 12:40, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :
>> 
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> 
>>>> On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
>>>>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
>>>> 
>>>> This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means breaking stacks that were adapted to work with the previous behaviour.  But for me this is a massive upgrade because now Rev/LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I accept some eggs have been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!
>>>> 
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>> (who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in English...)
>>> 
>>> I am sure in french this is something with CHEESE! :-D
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
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> use-revolution mailing list
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Sep 21 09:08:25 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:08:25 +0100
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>

On 21 September 2010 12:28, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

> I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
> for quite some time now and many have purchased
> it already so if they continue to develop it more will
> likely purchase it and with the right improvements
> it can exceed their sales expectations.
>

That would make sense - On-Rev has (commercial) potential, but I don't think
it is the case. If you look at the Standalone Settings (I am viewing it with
a trial license) - the Web settings that allow you to create a revWeb plugin
has the option to purchase a $199 upgrade - I assume this is in order to let
you make these plugins as this export option has nothing to do with using
On-Rev. It is not clear, if you can make them for non-commercial use, but it
looks like the standalone builder will stop making revWeb plugins after the
trial expires?

Personally I can (sort of) imagine people paying $30 for the ability to make
revWeb plugins - I really don't get this $199 pricing. The rest seems
logical to me, and I do very much like the branding LiveCode, but it seems
the current pricing strategy will have two clear outcomes:

   1. It will clobber Linux sales - I think the bundles would be better
   Mac+Linux and Windows+Linux.
   2. Deter future revWeb plugin development when it becomes clear how many
   people will pay for it as an isolated feature.


From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Sep 21 09:08:54 2010
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:08:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: on-rev
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <loom.20100921T150816-561@post.gmane.org>

Mark Wieder <mwieder at ...> writes:

> 
> All-
> 
> Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
> server..." Have to force-quit it.
> 


I used it yesterday and just tried it today and it worked fine.

Martin



From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 10:02:26 2010
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:02:26 -0500
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>
	<AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=YFS3ExwCszr8U79eKT6hOmLbHPNE53thGzWc@mail.gmail.com>

Corporate clients might pay for web deployment.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:08 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> On 21 September 2010 12:28, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
>> for quite some time now and many have purchased
>> it already so if they continue to develop it more will
>> likely purchase it and with the right improvements
>> it can exceed their sales expectations.
>>
>
> That would make sense - On-Rev has (commercial) potential, but I don't think
> it is the case. If you look at the Standalone Settings (I am viewing it with
> a trial license) - the Web settings that allow you to create a revWeb plugin
> has the option to purchase a $199 upgrade - I assume this is in order to let
> you make these plugins as this export option has nothing to do with using
> On-Rev. It is not clear, if you can make them for non-commercial use, but it
> looks like the standalone builder will stop making revWeb plugins after the
> trial expires?
>
> Personally I can (sort of) imagine people paying $30 for the ability to make
> revWeb plugins - I really don't get this $199 pricing. The rest seems
> logical to me, and I do very much like the branding LiveCode, but it seems
> the current pricing strategy will have two clear outcomes:
>
> ? 1. It will clobber Linux sales - I think the bundles would be better
> ? Mac+Linux and Windows+Linux.
> ? 2. Deter future revWeb plugin development when it becomes clear how many
> ? people will pay for it as an isolated feature.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Sep 21 11:18:45 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:18:45 +0100
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <43D577D2-A35F-4FFC-BAAD-B9844C5384BC@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <C8BE8B65.14A38%kevin@runrev.com>

On 20/09/2010 20:02, "Timothy Miller" <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com>
wrote:

> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode.
> Is this an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has
> ownership changed?

The ownership has not changed.

>From the FAQ:

The new name more accurately conveys the benefits that are at the core of
the LiveCode platform: a fast, compile-free workflow. This core message is
more tightly associated with the unique selling points that are so important
to our customer base, including enabling a highly productive workflow,
outstanding ease-of-use, very-high-level English-like language and flexible
delivery to multiple platforms and devices from a single code base.

We found that since introducing the ?Rev? prefix we have introduced many new
products and services, notably including revMobile and revServer. The
product lineup was rapidly becoming complex and difficult to explain. These
products are now simply deployment packs for LiveCode. This new lineup is
much easier for both existing and new customers to understand. LiveCode
better conveys our mission, focus and technology. The LiveCode name will be
easier to locate in Internet searches. Rather than searching for ?Rev? or
?Revolution? which are buried with other unrelated items, or searching
individually for ?revMedia?, ?revStudio? or ?revMobile?, you can now perform
a single search for ?LiveCode?.

Much of the brand recognition we have to date centers around the company
name ?RunRev?, which is not changing. We haven?t changed the product name in
the decade since its introduction (we have introduced variants but they have
always had ?Rev? or ?Revolution? in the name). We believe that by centering
all focus on a single, searchable word, the new brand will quickly overtake
the brand recognition previously associated with ?Rev? or ?Revolution? which
was actually quite difficult to brand.

----

I'll elaborate on that FAQ with a specific example that might be helpful:

One of the biggest practical issues we were coming up against with the old
name was it searchability. For example, we've had 5x the press coverage over
the last year than we had in the previous year, as measured by articles and
site traffic. And yet there is no one search term you can use to find it.
We've had coverage for revMobile, coverage for revEnterprise and in spite of
my spending an hour on the phone with a prominent journalist who wrote a
great review, he called it the wrong name. RunRev is the most used term and
press are using it to describe the product name because they want something
unique, but even that use is inconsistent. Rev is smart and catchy but go
and search for that in Google now and you'll see the problem. This whole
situation is was just not workable going forward. LiveCode is a fanstastic,
strong, clear new name that will quickly become highly searchable.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding




From psahores at free.fr  Tue Sep 21 12:03:58 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:03:58 +0200
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTik18VBDUQ3=ez6UfWxbzsz9zbOB9LXwg6=hz+Ga@mail.gmail.com>
	<15486668203.20100920183010@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=TpRLLW8KkYnUDXZ3N37zW0hydVXfrEK-7f6_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinu8j8cZ6j5a8g-qGdpnnozRcSjhC5VVUgoKWY7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C46551-6A38-40CF-A773-D1033456477B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <C906F2B6-0384-4202-99D6-1A8ABA73119D@free.fr>

Thanks for this, Andre. My last app use this very extensively and so..., it's your fault :-)

>> ($_POST_RAW is my favorite global, I convinced them on creating that while I
>> was there in Edinburgh during the weeks before the conference, without it
>> you can't do uploads)

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 12:17:55 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:17:55 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <101539933234.20100921091755@ahsoftware.net>

Monday, September 20, 2010, 6:23:05 PM, I wrote:

> Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
> server..." Have to force-quit it.

Just for the record, I filed a trouble ticket with support and they
turned the on-rev client support back on again. No longer hangs.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 12:24:30 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:24:30 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <C8BE8B65.14A38%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C8BE8B65.14A38%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C98DC3E.3060407@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 06:18 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 20/09/2010 20:02, "Timothy Miller"<gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't understand the significance of the name change to LiveCode.
>> Is this an internal reorganization or marketing strategy? Or has
>> ownership changed?
> The ownership has not changed.
>
> > From the FAQ:
>
> The new name more accurately conveys the benefits that are at the core of
> the LiveCode platform: a fast, compile-free workflow. This core message is
> more tightly associated with the unique selling points that are so important
> to our customer base, including enabling a highly productive workflow,
> outstanding ease-of-use, very-high-level English-like language and flexible
> delivery to multiple platforms and devices from a single code base.
>
> We found that since introducing the ?Rev? prefix we have introduced many new
> products and services, notably including revMobile and revServer. The
> product lineup was rapidly becoming complex and difficult to explain. These
> products are now simply deployment packs for LiveCode. This new lineup is
> much easier for both existing and new customers to understand. LiveCode
> better conveys our mission, focus and technology. The LiveCode name will be
> easier to locate in Internet searches. Rather than searching for ?Rev? or
> ?Revolution? which are buried with other unrelated items, or searching
> individually for ?revMedia?, ?revStudio? or ?revMobile?, you can now perform
> a single search for ?LiveCode?.
>
> Much of the brand recognition we have to date centers around the company
> name ?RunRev?, which is not changing. We haven?t changed the product name in
> the decade since its introduction (we have introduced variants but they have
> always had ?Rev? or ?Revolution? in the name). We believe that by centering
> all focus on a single, searchable word, the new brand will quickly overtake
> the brand recognition previously associated with ?Rev? or ?Revolution? which
> was actually quite difficult to brand.
>
> ----
>
> I'll elaborate on that FAQ with a specific example that might be helpful:
>
> One of the biggest practical issues we were coming up against with the old
> name was it searchability. For example, we've had 5x the press coverage over
> the last year than we had in the previous year, as measured by articles and
> site traffic. And yet there is no one search term you can use to find it.
> We've had coverage for revMobile, coverage for revEnterprise and in spite of
> my spending an hour on the phone with a prominent journalist who wrote a
> great review, he called it the wrong name. RunRev is the most used term and
> press are using it to describe the product name because they want something
> unique, but even that use is inconsistent. Rev is smart and catchy but go
> and search for that in Google now and you'll see the problem. This whole
> situation is was just not workable going forward. LiveCode is a fanstastic,
> strong, clear new name that will quickly become highly searchable.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>

That's a very cogent and well thought-out justification.

Thank you.

sincerely, Richmond.


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Tue Sep 21 13:00:32 2010
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:00:32 -0700
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi all,
Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet?
To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It
will take you directly there.

Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
information in a flyout.
Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.

How does that make you feel?
Unless I'm mistaken on this yearly maintenance fee, I don't think I'll
be maintaining my yearly upgrades from here on out.
I can't afford that money, when I don't have a product that I'm selling.
Maybe that will have to change for me.

What about those building and distributing freeware or shareware? I
don't see a license model for that.
Now unless you use the Personal license, that will most probably work
for you. But the user will have a nag screen on use of the freeware.

Now for those who are selling products built in (now) LiveCode, do you
realize how much your costs have increased?

I'm just saying... so you are all aware.

Regards,
Mark Stuart


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 13:03:40 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:03:40 +0300
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4C98E56C.6040109@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 08:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
> Hi all,
> Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet?
> To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It
> will take you directly there.
>
> Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
> information in a flyout.
> Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
> Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
> The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.
>
> How does that make you feel?
> Unless I'm mistaken on this yearly maintenance fee, I don't think I'll
> be maintaining my yearly upgrades from here on out.
> I can't afford that money, when I don't have a product that I'm selling.
> Maybe that will have to change for me.
>
> What about those building and distributing freeware or shareware? I
> don't see a license model for that.
> Now unless you use the Personal license, that will most probably work
> for you. But the user will have a nag screen on use of the freeware.
>
> Now for those who are selling products built in (now) LiveCode, do you
> realize how much your costs have increased?
>
> I'm just saying... so you are all aware.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> _______________________________________________

Well, nothing really wrong with sticking with RunRev 4.0: I make almost 
all my freeware using
RunRev 2.0.1 !!!!!


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 21 13:06:08 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:06:08 -0400
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
> information in a flyout.
> Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
> Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
> The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.

If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web,  
Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't  
think the price is bad at all.

If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the  
subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store  
and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay  
when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 13:11:10 2010
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:11:10 -0400
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=e8-6G_9aAZ5Q5eUu7wR-oRJGozzxvoAHmdeA1@mail.gmail.com>

Just for comparison, my annual SA price for RADStudio from Embarcadero is
$1320.
Best wishes
Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 645 5394






On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
>
>  Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
>> information in a flyout.
>> Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
>> Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
>> The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.
>>
>
> If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web, Mobile
> and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't think the price
> is bad at all.
>
> If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the
> subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store and
> there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay when you want
> to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers:
> http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 13:30:35 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <809080.43370.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'm feeling the same as well... :(

--- On Tue, 21/9/10, Mark Stuart <mstuart at adaptcrm.com> wrote:

From: Mark Stuart <mstuart at adaptcrm.com>
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 5:00 PM

Hi all,
Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet?
To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It
will take you directly there.

Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
information in a flyout.
Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.

How does that make you feel?
Unless I'm mistaken on this yearly maintenance fee, I don't think I'll
be maintaining my yearly upgrades from here on out.
I can't afford that money, when I don't have a product that I'm selling.
Maybe that will have to change for me.

What about those building and distributing freeware or shareware? I
don't see a license model for that.
Now unless you use the Personal license, that will most probably work
for you. But the user will have a nag screen on use of the freeware.

Now for those who are selling products built in (now) LiveCode, do you
realize how much your costs have increased?

I'm just saying... so you are all aware.

Regards,
Mark Stuart
_______________________________________________
use-revolution mailing list
use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 13:32:46 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:32:46 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>

then use the newest Transmit by Panic <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .

On 21 September 2010 04:34, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:

> Monte,
>
> > I ended up giving up and using Ralf's TextMate bundle+Cyberduck.
>
> Same there. The last version of CyberDuck seems to support the FTPS
> protocol but when i tried it against on-rev, the list directory works but
> nor the download/edit and upload files sems to work for me. Any tough about
> the way to go (needed opened ports or so...) ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>
> www.woooooooords.com
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 13:39:46 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:39:46 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
	<AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <133544843734.20100921103946@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:32:46 AM, you wrote:

> then use the newest Transmit by Panic
> <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
> Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .

Good to know, although I haven't had problems with ftp and on-rev.
It's debugging that stumped me since I needed to look at variables in
situ.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 13:43:12 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:43:12 +0300
Subject: Free RevMedia
Message-ID: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>

  ???????


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 21 13:43:47 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:43:47 -0500
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4C98EED3.1020108@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/21/10 12:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
> Hi all,
> Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet?
> To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It
> will take you directly there.
>
> Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
> information in a flyout.
> Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
> Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
> The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.

LiveCode Complete doesn't equate to your current Enterprise license, it 
includes *everything* -- mobile, all three desktop options, web server, 
developer program, etc. This is a savings over purchasing each package 
separately. Your curent Enterprise license only includes desktop 
deployment. If you want to duplicate your Enterprise license, you can do 
it by purchasing the $99 Mac/Windows package for personal use (add Linux 
if necessary,) or the Desktop package for commercial use. There is no 
annual subscription fee for those.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 13:44:14 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:44:14 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <133544843734.20100921103946@ahsoftware.net>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
	<AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
	<133544843734.20100921103946@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikaLKnuQcN84PqmS4Zh3d2SdCoiAB+BBfhaTP63@mail.gmail.com>

The on-rev client could be one of the first items to be released to us for
'open-sourcing'.   Is the debugging code a big secret? Then put it in a
substack, let us call to it and make a better editor to go around it.

On 21 September 2010 10:39, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:32:46 AM, you wrote:
>
> > then use the newest Transmit by Panic
> > <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
> > Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .
>
> Good to know, although I haven't had problems with ftp and on-rev.
> It's debugging that stumped me since I needed to look at variables in
> situ.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From alex at a2technology.com  Tue Sep 21 13:47:42 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:47:42 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
 LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVhXurd=zX5PGbMf=wjATwSnzK8Ardn3nxxFqX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BE3DCE.1D021%alex@a2technology.com>

Sarah,

I'm trying to do what you described.  But how?  Are you suggesting that I
import the libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev as sub stack to the mainstack
of my app?  If so, I can't figure out how to do that.  It must be easy????
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com


> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:30:46 +1000
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
> LiveCode?
> 
> While not an ideal solution, for the quick fix, can you include these
> 2 stacks in the stackFiles of the mainStack that needs to access them?
> Then that stack would know where they were and you could "start
> using".
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
>> Did that. ?Set it to the last rev folder where they have been working fine
>> all along. ?Still no go.
>> --
>> Alex Adams
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From gjbalzano at ucsd.edu  Tue Sep 21 14:01:09 2010
From: gjbalzano at ucsd.edu (Jerry Balzano)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:01:09 -0700
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) "save 60% on revStudio" deal
In-Reply-To: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>

With the sudden, unexpected release of LiveCode and disappearance of revStudio, revMedia, etc., I'm feeling a bit stung by the midsummer "deal" we were all offered (and I and others accepted) to "SAVE 60% on revSTUDIO".  When I took this deal and paid the $99, I was led to expect a year's worth of complimentary upgrades to revStudio, not two month's worth of complimentary upgrades.  Unless I'm mistaken, if I wish to "cross over" to LiveCode, it's now going to cost me an additional $98, or approximately 2/3 of the $149 I was "saving" with the midsummer revStudio "deal"

I can't help but think now that this deal was offered, somewhat disingenuously, by RunRev, knowing that the product they were selling me was in effect going to be discontinued two months later?  Is this rather underhanded manner of behavior any way to treat your longtime, faithful customers? (rhetorical question)

"We want you to take the plunge and realize the benefits of Rev. Thats why we're making you a one time offer. Buy a revStudio license today for just $99 and save $150 We won't be repeating this offer any time soon."

Indeed.

- jerry balzano

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 14:01:32 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:01:32 -0700
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:43:12 AM, you wrote:

>   ???????

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dodo

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 14:10:24 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:10:24 +0300
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C98F510.2040100@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 09:01 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:43:12 AM, you wrote:
>
>>    ???????
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dodo
>
This is really rather amusing:

RevMedia was introduced to stimulate an interest in RunRev, and as an
educational tool for would-be purchasers and students/schoolchildren
to learn how to work with RunRev. And, as such was justly lauded as
a great step forward; and as significantly better than either the 10-line
crippled versions such as RunRev 1.1.1 and 2; and a lot better than the 30
day trials of RunRev 3 and so on.

Since the relase of the Free RevMedia (just about 14 months ago) I have
taught a fair number of kids to program with it, as have, I suspect, many
others world-wide.

Now that is all gone.  Boo!


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 14:13:56 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:13:56 -0700
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <4C98F510.2040100@gmail.com>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C98F510.2040100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <127546894437.20100921111356@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 11:10:24 AM, you wrote:

> Now that is all gone.  Boo!

No argument from me. I do realize that the free version doesn't
contribute anything to the revenue stream, but still...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 14:14:25 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:14:25 -0600
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) "save 60% on revStudio"
	deal
In-Reply-To: <90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYMeOGZ3x-gYwvJAv1UhWK1HXkxQajBD=qcYnJ@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, if I understand how this works, you still will get your full year
of complimentary upgrades.  They are honoring licenses that extend several
years into the future.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu> wrote:

> With the sudden, unexpected release of LiveCode and disappearance of
> revStudio, revMedia, etc., I'm feeling a bit stung by the midsummer "deal"
> we were all offered (and I and others accepted) to "SAVE 60% on revSTUDIO".
>  When I took this deal and paid the $99, I was led to expect a year's worth
> of complimentary upgrades to revStudio, not two month's worth of
> complimentary upgrades.  Unless I'm mistaken, if I wish to "cross over" to
> LiveCode, it's now going to cost me an additional $98, or approximately 2/3
> of the $149 I was "saving" with the midsummer revStudio "deal"
>
> I can't help but think now that this deal was offered, somewhat
> disingenuously, by RunRev, knowing that the product they were selling me was
> in effect going to be discontinued two months later?  Is this rather
> underhanded manner of behavior any way to treat your longtime, faithful
> customers? (rhetorical question)
>
> "We want you to take the plunge and realize the benefits of Rev. Thats why
> we're making you a one time offer. Buy a revStudio license today for just
> $99 and save $150 We won't be repeating this offer any time soon."
>
> Indeed.
>
> - jerry balzano_______________________________________________
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 14:15:04 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:15:04 -0700
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) "save 60% on revStudio"
	deal
In-Reply-To: <90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <136546962093.20100921111504@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

The way I understand things, your current license agreement stands.
Nothing changes until its term is up.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 14:15:16 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:15:16 +0300
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) "save 60% on revStudio"
 deal
In-Reply-To: <90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <4C98F634.5000401@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 09:01 PM, Jerry Balzano wrote:
> With the sudden, unexpected release of LiveCode and disappearance of revStudio, revMedia, etc., I'm feeling a bit stung by the midsummer "deal" we were all offered (and I and others accepted) to "SAVE 60% on revSTUDIO".  When I took this deal and paid the $99, I was led to expect a year's worth of complimentary upgrades to revStudio, not two month's worth of complimentary upgrades.  Unless I'm mistaken, if I wish to "cross over" to LiveCode, it's now going to cost me an additional $98, or approximately 2/3 of the $149 I was "saving" with the midsummer revStudio "deal"
>
> I can't help but think now that this deal was offered, somewhat disingenuously, by RunRev, knowing that the product they were selling me was in effect going to be discontinued two months later?  Is this rather underhanded manner of behavior any way to treat your longtime, faithful customers? (rhetorical question)
>
> "We want you to take the plunge and realize the benefits of Rev. Thats why we're making you a one time offer. Buy a revStudio license today for just $99 and save $150 We won't be repeating this offer any time soon."
>
> Indeed.
>
> - jerry balzano_______________________________________________

Indeed . . .

Many attendees at the Edinburgh conference and subscribers to the DVD 
set had to wait
donkey's ages for the DVDs. After some 'heckling' RunRev issued those 
who had not recieved
their DVD sets with "extended licenses" that were "good" until September 
4th . . .

'LiveCode' was released on September 19/20 (i.e. after September 4th) 
with a whole new way
of putting in licenses.

The "extended licenses" while serving to mollify a few did nothing else 
whatsoever:
as no updates post RunRev 4.0 were forthcoming prior to 5th September.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This kind of behaviour has happened before . . .

Indeed.


From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 21 14:18:17 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:18:17 -0700
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>
	<AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E666B2FF-32BD-4A43-8C22-1B106ABD43E6@pacifier.com>

I purchased the on-rev package when it came out and now when I look
at my account it says Web Deployment - already purchased.  I also am
a Enterprise user so it may be connected to that but it sounds more like
it is connected to on-rev to me.

-=>JB<=-



On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:08 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> On 21 September 2010 12:28, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
>> for quite some time now and many have purchased
>> it already so if they continue to develop it more will
>> likely purchase it and with the right improvements
>> it can exceed their sales expectations.
>> 
> 
> That would make sense - On-Rev has (commercial) potential, but I don't think
> it is the case. If you look at the Standalone Settings (I am viewing it with
> a trial license) - the Web settings that allow you to create a revWeb plugin
> has the option to purchase a $199 upgrade - I assume this is in order to let
> you make these plugins as this export option has nothing to do with using
> On-Rev. It is not clear, if you can make them for non-commercial use, but it
> looks like the standalone builder will stop making revWeb plugins after the
> trial expires?
> 
> Personally I can (sort of) imagine people paying $30 for the ability to make
> revWeb plugins - I really don't get this $199 pricing. The rest seems
> logical to me, and I do very much like the branding LiveCode, but it seems
> the current pricing strategy will have two clear outcomes:
> 
>   1. It will clobber Linux sales - I think the bundles would be better
>   Mac+Linux and Windows+Linux.
>   2. Deter future revWeb plugin development when it becomes clear how many
>   people will pay for it as an isolated feature.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 14:21:32 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:21:32 -0700
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <E666B2FF-32BD-4A43-8C22-1B106ABD43E6@pacifier.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>
	<AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<E666B2FF-32BD-4A43-8C22-1B106ABD43E6@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwwXXToz3mjp0OmOKdkEsp0DMP-NHKEn1m7Snr@mail.gmail.com>

web deployment=plugin

they don't list on-rev accounts yet

On 21 September 2010 11:18, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

> I purchased the on-rev package when it came out and now when I look
> at my account it says Web Deployment - already purchased.  I also am
> a Enterprise user so it may be connected to that but it sounds more like
> it is connected to on-rev to me.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:08 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > On 21 September 2010 12:28, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
> >> for quite some time now and many have purchased
> >> it already so if they continue to develop it more will
> >> likely purchase it and with the right improvements
> >> it can exceed their sales expectations.
> >>
> >
> > That would make sense - On-Rev has (commercial) potential, but I don't
> think
> > it is the case. If you look at the Standalone Settings (I am viewing it
> with
> > a trial license) - the Web settings that allow you to create a revWeb
> plugin
> > has the option to purchase a $199 upgrade - I assume this is in order to
> let
> > you make these plugins as this export option has nothing to do with using
> > On-Rev. It is not clear, if you can make them for non-commercial use, but
> it
> > looks like the standalone builder will stop making revWeb plugins after
> the
> > trial expires?
> >
> > Personally I can (sort of) imagine people paying $30 for the ability to
> make
> > revWeb plugins - I really don't get this $199 pricing. The rest seems
> > logical to me, and I do very much like the branding LiveCode, but it
> seems
> > the current pricing strategy will have two clear outcomes:
> >
> >   1. It will clobber Linux sales - I think the bundles would be better
> >   Mac+Linux and Windows+Linux.
> >   2. Deter future revWeb plugin development when it becomes clear how
> many
> >   people will pay for it as an isolated feature.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 14:26:57 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:26:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) "save 60% on revStudio"
 deal
In-Reply-To: <4C98F634.5000401@gmail.com>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<90F2D0D0-EF22-4153-BB13-F60C6B4DAA92@ucsd.edu>
	<4C98F634.5000401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285093617404-2549166.post@n4.nabble.com>


It is always a Faustian pact, using closed source software, especially when
it is in rapid development.  Rev is perfectly entitled to abandon the Media
experiment.  It was noble, but evidently it did not work out.  I also think
its treated the Studio buyers such as myself fairly, it was entitled to
change the terms of renewal any time it wanted, and its done so.  

You pays your money and takes your choice.  Python is out there, its free,
it has an enormous variety of IDEs and editors, its thoroughly cross
platform, and it has a thriving community and innumerable tutorials and
textbooks and howtos.

But, it is rather a steeper learning curve, depending on where you are
coming from.

It is really not much different from Hypercard, is it?  It is someone else
that owns it, and you have really no say in what happens to it.  Do not, one
might advise, get too dependent on it, unless you really know what you are
getting into.  The thing about Rev is that there is an inbuilt conflict of
interest between two target markets, those who want to develop
non-commercially, and need it to be cheap, and those who are successfully
developing commercially, and can afford to pay decent fees.  In the end, its
going to be very hard to reconcile the two sets of needs.  They have done
their best with the mix and match pricing, but some bits have fallen by the
wayside.  Pity.
-- 
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 21 14:32:41 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:32:41 -0700
Subject: Web Deployment
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwwXXToz3mjp0OmOKdkEsp0DMP-NHKEn1m7Snr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7DEF0DEB-8DD0-4E1A-B015-01F52DFE9130@ezpzapps.com>
	<95E2F0FA-C8B0-4B0C-AB4B-B9DA51368E0E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=sDP0k456TUsr7+2eeTMNdxL3b=2OaDhZVQp1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F836C939-193C-4043-934B-2B22618C689E@pacifier.com>
	<AANLkTinm04WNmkS6K+_gX5RSk2Q3uXLySvOmesV2kbVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<E666B2FF-32BD-4A43-8C22-1B106ABD43E6@pacifier.com>
	<AANLkTimwwXXToz3mjp0OmOKdkEsp0DMP-NHKEn1m7Snr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9413F33-FC6B-4F43-97ED-C9F7256AA10C@pacifier.com>

You may be right but they have mentioned plugin with on-rev
in the past if I remember correctly.  I think that is the link that
is supposed to make your on-rev site rev compatible rather
than being just another site on the web.  I could be wrong
though because it is hard to follow a lot of things.

-=>JB<=-



On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> web deployment=plugin
> 
> they don't list on-rev accounts yet
> 
> On 21 September 2010 11:18, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
>> I purchased the on-rev package when it came out and now when I look
>> at my account it says Web Deployment - already purchased.  I also am
>> a Enterprise user so it may be connected to that but it sounds more like
>> it is connected to on-rev to me.
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:08 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>> 
>>> On 21 September 2010 12:28, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think it is the On-Rev package that has been offered
>>>> for quite some time now and many have purchased
>>>> it already so if they continue to develop it more will
>>>> likely purchase it and with the right improvements
>>>> it can exceed their sales expectations.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> That would make sense - On-Rev has (commercial) potential, but I don't
>> think
>>> it is the case. If you look at the Standalone Settings (I am viewing it
>> with
>>> a trial license) - the Web settings that allow you to create a revWeb
>> plugin
>>> has the option to purchase a $199 upgrade - I assume this is in order to
>> let
>>> you make these plugins as this export option has nothing to do with using
>>> On-Rev. It is not clear, if you can make them for non-commercial use, but
>> it
>>> looks like the standalone builder will stop making revWeb plugins after
>> the
>>> trial expires?
>>> 
>>> Personally I can (sort of) imagine people paying $30 for the ability to
>> make
>>> revWeb plugins - I really don't get this $199 pricing. The rest seems
>>> logical to me, and I do very much like the branding LiveCode, but it
>> seems
>>> the current pricing strategy will have two clear outcomes:
>>> 
>>>  1. It will clobber Linux sales - I think the bundles would be better
>>>  Mac+Linux and Windows+Linux.
>>>  2. Deter future revWeb plugin development when it becomes clear how
>> many
>>>  people will pay for it as an isolated feature.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 14:41:40 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:41:40 +0300
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
Message-ID: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>

  http://distrowatch.com/

Ugly!


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 21 14:44:06 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:44:06 -0600
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <401B4204-E285-4E3D-8A01-6FB69E506744@swcp.com>


On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
>
>> Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
>> information in a flyout.
>> Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
>> Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
>> The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.
>
> If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web,  
> Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't  
> think the price is bad at all.
>
> If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the  
> subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store  
> and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay  
> when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want.

I think this hits the nail on the head.  Alice doesn't know what a  
Linux is.  Bobby knows he will never deploy to web or server.   
Charles never gets involved with lists or even publisher  
communication.  Each can have the right license.  But some month or  
year when Bobby's customer says "web", then Bobby is instantly set  
and with minimal cost and effort.

Dar Scott




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 14:45:36 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:45:36 -0700
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>

I see a page with a hundred stories and a hundred links, all which change
hourly. To what (or which) do you refer?

On 21 September 2010 11:41, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>  http://distrowatch.com/
>
> Ugly!
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 14:46:02 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:46:02 EDT
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Message-ID: <13c36c.426ca026.39ca576a@aol.com>

I have one question:

Is Rev 4.5 now LiveCode 4.5? 

Craig Newman


From psahores at free.fr  Tue Sep 21 14:51:51 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:51:51 +0200
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
	<AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7D6EE39-1E98-4DB5-80A3-7BCF95EB447F@free.fr>

Thanks Stephan. 

Tried it but lacks too in FTPS mode. Seems to have to do with the port forwarding lacking from/to my WAN/LAN addresses but i'm not sure at this point.

Best regards,

Pierre


Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 19:32, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> then use the newest Transmit by Panic <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
> Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .
> 
> On 21 September 2010 04:34, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Monte,
>> 
>>> I ended up giving up and using Ralf's TextMate bundle+Cyberduck.
>> 
>> Same there. The last version of CyberDuck seems to support the FTPS
>> protocol but when i tried it against on-rev, the list directory works but
>> nor the download/edit and upload files sems to work for me. Any tough about
>> the way to go (needed opened ports or so...) ?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>> 
>> www.woooooooords.com
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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www.sahores-conseil.com








From psahores at free.fr  Tue Sep 21 15:00:02 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:00:02 +0200
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <133544843734.20100921103946@ahsoftware.net>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
	<AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
	<133544843734.20100921103946@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <6ED81106-4D0A-415E-9931-D95983C7D024@free.fr>

Hello Mark,

I don't have any problem with on-rev in FTP mode. I'm just trying to access it under FTP+TLS/SSL and there is some glichies around (client or server-side, i don't know at this point).

From Transmit : Nothing

From CyberDuck : FTP directory listing is OK ; Up/Download KO

Best Regards,

Pierre


Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 19:39, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> Stephen-
> 
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:32:46 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> then use the newest Transmit by Panic
>> <http://panic.com/transmit/>. $40 -
>> Works great with Textmate and Ralf's plugin or Coda .
> 
> Good to know, although I haven't had problems with ftp and on-rev.
> It's debugging that stumped me since I needed to look at variables in
> situ.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Tue Sep 21 15:01:47 2010
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:01:47 -0700
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D45@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

on Tue Sep 21 12:11:10 CDT 2010, Neal Campbell wrote:

>>Just for comparison, my annual SA price for RADStudio from Embarcadero
is
$1320.
<<

Yes, but look at the tool you are getting from Embarcadero. A complete
suite of tools to build an Enterprise level application.
With that, I don't think LiveCode 4.5 even comes close to its tool set.

I use VB6 from time to time, and again LiveCode 4.5 doesn't even comes
close to it, and the product was stopped several years ago.

I guess I get frustrated/annoyed if I were to build the same application
in revStudio and also in VB6, the latter is so much easier to build a
richer desktop application. I've tried to build the same
objects/components in revStudio as are already in VB6. I've spent hours
trying to do this, and in the end give up, because the objects in
revStudio are not complete. Especially trying different property
settings, they come up short. They don't work/set properly. Yes, I've
tried all sorts of renditions of the settings.

I will be revisiting my license with LiveCode.

Regards,
Mark Stuart


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 15:12:23 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:12:23 -0700
Subject: on-rev
In-Reply-To: <6ED81106-4D0A-415E-9931-D95983C7D024@free.fr>
References: <182486243500.20100920182305@ahsoftware.net>
	<20980930-B42B-47FF-8675-464EB297C635@sweattechnologies.com>
	<4952F9BF-6553-454B-9716-50800A73B9DB@free.fr>
	<AANLkTikH69dDoQxWEj+BHJ7UOfP1pc9Z_fuvPN1inN_B@mail.gmail.com>
	<133544843734.20100921103946@ahsoftware.net>
	<6ED81106-4D0A-415E-9931-D95983C7D024@free.fr>
Message-ID: <85550401015.20100921121223@ahsoftware.net>

Pierre-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 12:00:02 PM, you wrote:

> I don't have any problem with on-rev in FTP mode. I'm just trying
> to access it under FTP+TLS/SSL and there is some glichies around
> (client or server-side, i don't know at this point).

...I didn't know the server supported ftps...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Tue Sep 21 15:15:03 2010
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:15:03 +0200
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E5BF91E-A6B6-444C-B934-FEAFEC998FDC@de-mare.nl>

Yes!

Op 21 sep 2010, om 20:59 heeft use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com het volgende geschreven:

> I have one question:
> 
> Is Rev 4.5 now LiveCode 4.5? 
> 
> Craig Newman



From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 15:15:18 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:15:18 EDT
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Message-ID: <13e3c8.179b60cc.39ca5e46@aol.com>

Never mind. 

I just updated Rev 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5. Free with my existing license.

Craig Newman


From bobs at twft.com  Tue Sep 21 15:26:22 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:26:22 -0700
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D3C@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<76D8C7D6-04DC-4CA2-8008-B1A03B07017F@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4E3E1C5B-52EE-4A16-939A-ED677E5FE694@twft.com>

Not sure how this affects me. I bought into the 2 year license offer. Do I still get this as part of my maintenance?

Bob


On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
> 
>> Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product
>> information in a flyout.
>> Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product.
>> Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover.
>> The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749.
> 
> If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web, Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't think the price is bad at all.
> 
> If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 15:30:33 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:30:33 -0400
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE67AFF6-97D5-4FF9-ABB0-1D4EE4D8F0DA@verizon.net>


On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:45 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> I see a page with a hundred stories and a hundred links, all which change
> hourly. To what (or which) do you refer?

From here it looks like the site is shut down.





From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Tue Sep 21 15:31:40 2010
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:31:40 +0200
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>

I upgraded to LiveCode 4.5. Because I have bought revMobile, Mobile Deployment is "already purchased" according to the store, as expected. However, I don't see it in the Development > Plugins menu where it used to be. Nor can I find it anywhere else yet. Should I reinstall the plugin? If so, where?

Terry

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 15:35:13 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:35:13 +0300
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 09:45 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> I see a page with a hundred stories and a hundred links, all which change
> hourly. To what (or which) do you refer?
>
> On 21 September 2010 11:41, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>   http://distrowatch.com/
>>
>> Ugly!
>> _______________________________________________

I am getting this:

*This page is generated by Parallels Plesk Panel 
<http://www.parallels.com/plesk/?cid=promo-plesk-server>, the leading 
hosting automation software. You see this page because there is no Web 
site at this address.

**which seems to be an advert for 'Nellai Online Parallels'*
**
*rather than the site where new Linux distributions are announced and so 
forth.*
**


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 15:37:59 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:37:59 +0300
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D45@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D45@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4C990997.9070900@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 10:01 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
> on Tue Sep 21 12:11:10 CDT 2010, Neal Campbell wrote:
>
>>> Just for comparison, my annual SA price for RADStudio from Embarcadero
> is
> $1320.
> <<
>
> Yes, but look at the tool you are getting from Embarcadero. A complete
> suite of tools to build an Enterprise level application.
> With that, I don't think LiveCode 4.5 even comes close to its tool set.
>
> I use VB6 from time to time, and again LiveCode 4.5 doesn't even comes
> close to it, and the product was stopped several years ago.
>
> I guess I get frustrated/annoyed if I were to build the same application
> in revStudio and also in VB6, the latter is so much easier to build a
> richer desktop application. I've tried to build the same
> objects/components in revStudio as are already in VB6.

Well; it's all a matter of taste really. Having spent about 6 months
with VB6 I would use RunRev any time; I found Visual Basic
awful.

But then I was probably trying to develop something entirely different 
from what you had in mind.

I find these comparisons a bit invidious.

> I've spent hours
> trying to do this, and in the end give up, because the objects in
> revStudio are not complete. Especially trying different property
> settings, they come up short. They don't work/set properly. Yes, I've
> tried all sorts of renditions of the settings.
>
> I will be revisiting my license with LiveCode.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 15:38:42 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:38:42 +0300
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <13e3c8.179b60cc.39ca5e46@aol.com>
References: <13e3c8.179b60cc.39ca5e46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C9909C2.4070408@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 10:15 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Never mind.
>
> I just updated Rev 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5. Free with my existing license.
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________

How did you manage that?


From boileau.andre at uqam.ca  Tue Sep 21 15:39:31 2010
From: boileau.andre at uqam.ca (Boileau)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:39:31 -0400
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <20100921185950.3E663288968@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100921185950.3E663288968@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>

A little more than a year ago, I asked the following question to  
Runtime Revolution Support :

	Do you make some sort of commitment that revMedia will stay free  
beyond version 4 ?

I received the following answer (dated June 29, 2009) :

> We have no intention of charging for revMedia beyond 4.0. Barring  
> the unforeseen
> the intention is that it will remain permanently free. However, we  
> cannot give an
> absolute guarantee that this will be so.
>
> I think you could be reasonably confident that using the new free  
> revMedia in your
> courses was a good decision and as futureproof as anything can be in  
> this
> uncertain world.


Well this world is certainly uncertain !!!

Andr? Boileau

From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 15:43:10 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:43:10 EDT
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Message-ID: <14035d.2f173f5f.39ca64ce@aol.com>

Richard.

My license for Rev v.4 is still valid. I just went to:    
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/

logged in, and, presto.

Craig

In a message dated 9/21/10 3:38:56 PM, richmondmathewson at gmail.com writes:


> ? On 09/21/2010 10:15 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> > Never mind.
> >
> > I just updated Rev 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5. Free with my existing license.
> >
> > Craig Newman
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> How did you manage that?
> 


From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 15:47:40 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:47:40 -0400
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>
References: <20100921185950.3E663288968@mail.runrev.com>
	<00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>
Message-ID: <BF6F09CA-7705-4B0C-97B3-8FC245DD09FE@verizon.net>

Have all your copies of revMedia stopped working? Is it not still possible to let kids use it for free? There may be some future need that requires having an updated version, but for now revMedia is as good as it was two days ago.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:14:06 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:14:06 +0300
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <BF6F09CA-7705-4B0C-97B3-8FC245DD09FE@verizon.net>
References: <20100921185950.3E663288968@mail.runrev.com>	<00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>
	<BF6F09CA-7705-4B0C-97B3-8FC245DD09FE@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C99120E.3000507@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 10:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> Have all your copies of revMedia stopped working? Is it not still possible to let kids use it for free? There may be some future need that requires having an updated version, but for now revMedia is as good as it was two days ago.
>
>
>

This is an extremely valid point.

BUT; where do we point those kids to when they want to have a copy of 
RevMedia
on their PC at home?


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 16:15:03 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:15:03 -0700
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <108554161296.20100921131503@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 12:35:13 PM, you wrote:

> I am getting this:

> *This page is generated by Parallels Plesk Panel 
> <http://www.parallels.com/plesk/?cid=promo-plesk-server>, the leading
> hosting automation software. You see this page because there is no Web
> site at this address.

Site looks good to me. Issue 372 is up. Try refreshing your cache.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 21 16:15:14 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:15:14 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <4C991252.6040104@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:

 > In a message dated 9/20/10 4:14:41 PM, janschenkel writes:
 >
 >> And it is infinitely more internet-searchable.
 >
 > This alone may be the most important aspect...


http://www.google.com/search?q=runrev

http://www.google.com/search?q=livecode

http://www.google.com/search?q=rapid+application+development


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 16:20:14 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:20:14 EDT
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>

Richard:

Are you implying that there is very little returned when searching 
"livecode"?

Give it a few days at least, no?

Craig


In a message dated 9/21/10 4:16:25 PM, ambassador at fourthworld.com writes:


> http://www.google.com/search?q=rapid+application+development
> 


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:20:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:20:28 +0300
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <108554161296.20100921131503@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>
	<108554161296.20100921131503@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C99138C.3030409@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 11:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 12:35:13 PM, you wrote:
>
>> I am getting this:
>> *This page is generated by Parallels Plesk Panel
>> <http://www.parallels.com/plesk/?cid=promo-plesk-server>, the leading
>> hosting automation software. You see this page because there is no Web
>> site at this address.
> Site looks good to me. Issue 372 is up. Try refreshing your cache.
>

I think that there was a bump in the road because when I went there just 
now (without refreshing
anything) the site was up and running again.


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Tue Sep 21 16:23:13 2010
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:23:13 -0700
Subject: calling com port under win7 with old 261 built app
In-Reply-To: <20100921185950.6370C28896A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100921185950.6370C28896A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BDA00149-6885-478F-B504-BFD0064EC022@siphonophore.com>

Hi,

i have an old app made from rev 2.6.1 that calls the serial port. been  
running for years under xp, but the client just tried it on a new win7  
box and it doesnt look like anything is making it out the serial port  
on the new machine. he confirmed the device driver shows the single  
com port on the machine is set up as com1 and he has changed the pref  
on my app to com 1 (i had that built in there). does win 7 do  
something different that an older rev would not do to call the serial  
port? do i need to rebuild the app in a later version of rev to create  
a win7 app that will call the com port on win7?

thanks

jeff


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 16:26:05 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:26:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <4C99138C.3030409@gmail.com>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>
	<108554161296.20100921131503@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C99138C.3030409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19554823312.20100921132605@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 1:20:28 PM, you wrote:

>   On 09/21/2010 11:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Site looks good to me. Issue 372 is up. Try refreshing your cache.

> I think that there was a bump in the road because when I went there just
> now (without refreshing
> anything) the site was up and running again.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Obviously I meant "try *not* refreshing your
cache" <g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 16:28:32 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:28:32 -0400
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>
References: <142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>


On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:20 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Are you implying that there is very little returned when searching 
> "livecode"?

In fact there is five times as much when searching for livecode (because it just knows that you really meant "live code"). Searching for +livecode cuts that down a lot, and many of the matches are nothing to do with Rev. But some of them are.





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 16:30:15 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D45@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <486288.16935.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Mark Stuart <mstuart at adaptcrm.com> wrote:
> 
> I use VB6 from time to time, and again LiveCode 4.5 doesn't
> even comes
> close to it, and the product was stopped several years
> ago.
> 
> I guess I get frustrated/annoyed if I were to build the
> same application
> in revStudio and also in VB6, the latter is so much easier
> to build a
> richer desktop application. I've tried to build the same
> objects/components in revStudio as are already in VB6. I've
> spent hours
> trying to do this, and in the end give up, because the
> objects in
> revStudio are not complete. Especially trying different
> property
> settings, they come up short. They don't work/set properly.
> Yes, I've
> tried all sorts of renditions of the settings.
> 
> I will be revisiting my license with LiveCode.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> 

Well, it's all about using the right tool for the job at hand. I've been using Rev/LiveCode for one-off tools, for prototypes, and for complete projects. If a project is better done in Java or .NET, I'll use those tools instead.
Sure, I wish LiveCode had toolbars, ribbons, tree views, etc. all built-in with point-and-click configuration as well as full scripting control. But I've always been able to replicate what I needed, and behaviors have recently made that a whole lot easier.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 16:30:16 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:30:16 -0400
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <19554823312.20100921132605@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>	<108554161296.20100921131503@ahsoftware.net>
	<4C99138C.3030409@gmail.com>
	<19554823312.20100921132605@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CD764E2E-1AAE-4872-A03F-CF40E1E90B2D@verizon.net>


On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Yeah, that's the ticket. Obviously I meant "try *not* refreshing your
> cache" <g>

That can be achieved in Safari by not pressing command-option-e.

BTW, I had the situation where I caught it again when it wasn't working, but after a clear cache it did then work. But that may have just been fortunate timing.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:33:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:33:34 +0300
Subject: [OT] Another one bites the dust . . .
In-Reply-To: <CD764E2E-1AAE-4872-A03F-CF40E1E90B2D@verizon.net>
References: <4C98FC64.8000604@gmail.com>	<AANLkTikp8N0zyRimqpFN6cbOkQPcM6fVhDUPF2vxO8xM@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9908F1.3040900@gmail.com>	<108554161296.20100921131503@ahsoftware.net>	<4C99138C.3030409@gmail.com>	<19554823312.20100921132605@ahsoftware.net>
	<CD764E2E-1AAE-4872-A03F-CF40E1E90B2D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C99169E.2030502@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 11:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that's the ticket. Obviously I meant "try *not* refreshing your
>> cache"<g>
> That can be achieved in Safari by not pressing command-option-e.
>
> BTW, I had the situation where I caught it again when it wasn't working, but after a clear cache it did then work. But that may have just been fortunate timing.
>
>

Aah: almost everything is really just a matter of 'fortunate timing'.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:38:11 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:38:11 +0300
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model
In-Reply-To: <14035d.2f173f5f.39ca64ce@aol.com>
References: <14035d.2f173f5f.39ca64ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C9917B3.3040808@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 10:43 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Richard.
>
> My license for Rev v.4 is still valid. I just went to:
> http://www.runrev.com/downloads/
>
> logged in, and, presto.
>
> Craig
>

Aah . . . mine expired on the 4th of September.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 16:38:50 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BE3DCE.1D021%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <504800.2877.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Alex,

Open your project's mainstack, go to the 'Tools' menu and pick the item 'Stack inspector' - then use the option menu at the top to switch to the 'Stack files' panel.
There you can use the 'Folder' icon to add references to the libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLib.rev stacks - from then on, you can easily 'start using' those libraries with their short name.
As a bonus, the standalone builder will automatically include them when the standalone applications are built. See also page 30 of the Quartam Reports Manual pdf file :-)

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
> Sarah,
> 
> I'm trying to do what you described.? But how??
> Are you suggesting that I
> import the libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev as sub stack
> to the mainstack
> of my app?? If so, I can't figure out how to do
> that.? It must be easy????
> -- 
> Alex Adams
> 
> 
> > From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> > 
> > While not an ideal solution, for the quick fix, can
> you include these
> > 2 stacks in the stackFiles of the mainStack that needs
> to access them?
> > Then that stack would know where they were and you
> could "start
> > using".
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Sarah
> > 


      



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 21 16:43:05 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:43:05 -0600
Subject: calling com port under win7 with old 261 built app
In-Reply-To: <BDA00149-6885-478F-B504-BFD0064EC022@siphonophore.com>
References: <20100921185950.6370C28896A@mail.runrev.com>
	<BDA00149-6885-478F-B504-BFD0064EC022@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <19B97BC7-FB36-4BBA-BE29-F3534E235BA1@swcp.com>


On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> i have an old app made from rev 2.6.1 that calls the serial port.  
> been running for years under xp, but the client just tried it on a  
> new win7 box and it doesnt look like anything is making it out the  
> serial port on the new machine. he confirmed the device driver  
> shows the single com port on the machine is set up as com1 and he  
> has changed the pref on my app to com 1 (i had that built in  
> there). does win 7 do something different that an older rev would  
> not do to call the serial port? do i need to rebuild the app in a  
> later version of rev to create a win7 app that will call the com  
> port on win7?

Did he change RS232 cables?  Did he move to a USB-serial adaptor?

Perhaps there is a handshaking issue.

Dar Scott



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 16:47:14 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:47:14 +0300
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>
References: <20100921185950.3E663288968@mail.runrev.com>
	<00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>
Message-ID: <4C9919D2.4030807@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 10:39 PM, Boileau wrote:
> A little more than a year ago, I asked the following question to 
> Runtime Revolution Support :
>
>     Do you make some sort of commitment that revMedia will stay free 
> beyond version 4 ?
>
> I received the following answer (dated June 29, 2009) :
>
>> We have no intention of charging for revMedia beyond 4.0. Barring the 
>> unforeseen
>> the intention is that it will remain permanently free. However, we 
>> cannot give an
>> absolute guarantee that this will be so.
>>
>> I think you could be reasonably confident that using the new free 
>> revMedia in your
>> courses was a good decision and as futureproof as anything can be in 
>> this
>> uncertain world.
>
>
> Well this world is certainly uncertain !!!
>

Ah, mon ami, Les /OEuvres de Boileau/ ne disent rien sur ce probl?me!

This sort of behaviour has been observed before; so one either puts up 
with it,
or moves elsewhere; OR, if you are a "belligerent so-and-so" (cough, cough)
you keep bothering people until either:

1. they disconnect you from the Use-List,

2. they give in and put things back the way they were,

3. they give you a job.


From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Sep 21 16:48:07 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:48:07 -0400
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <B1412134-A3B9-4129-AF91-B33D5E9219A7@verizon.net>


On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> I upgraded to LiveCode 4.5. Because I have bought revMobile, Mobile Deployment is "already purchased" according to the store, as expected. However, I don't see it in the Development > Plugins menu where it used to be. Nor can I find it anywhere else yet. Should I reinstall the plugin? If so, where?


You can say this in the message box:

put revEnvironmentPluginsPath()

and that will show that with LiveCode the plugins folder is inside the application (on Mac, right-click on LiveCode, Show Package Contents, and go into Contents/Tools/Plugins). The latest revMobilePlugin seems to work ok if you put it there, though I dare say we're due for an update to that.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 16:48:48 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:48:48 -0700
Subject: calling com port under win7 with old 261 built app
In-Reply-To: <BDA00149-6885-478F-B504-BFD0064EC022@siphonophore.com>
References: <20100921185950.6370C28896A@mail.runrev.com>
	<BDA00149-6885-478F-B504-BFD0064EC022@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <64556186046.20100921134848@ahsoftware.net>

Jeff-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 1:23:13 PM, you wrote:

> on my app to com 1 (i had that built in there). does win 7 do
> something different that an older rev would not do to call the serial
> port? do i need to rebuild the app in a later version of rev to create
> a win7 app that will call the com port on win7?

Hmmm... overzealous antivirus software? Do you need admin rights to
access the serial ports in Win 7?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Sep 21 16:58:11 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:58:11 -0400
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <3920204B-57E8-4561-AF1B-55802F10178D@mac.com>

HAAAA HAAA.... I just spit out my coffee right onto my keyboard.... Damn...

On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richmond-
> 
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:43:12 AM, you wrote:
> 
>>  ???????
> 
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dodo
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 17:02:35 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:02:35 +0300
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <3920204B-57E8-4561-AF1B-55802F10178D@mac.com>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>	<154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
	<3920204B-57E8-4561-AF1B-55802F10178D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4C991D6B.90908@gmail.com>

  On 09/21/2010 11:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> HAAAA HAAA.... I just spit out my coffee right onto my keyboard.... Damn...
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Richmond-
>>
>> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:43:12 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>>   ???????
>> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dodo
>>
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>

Supposedly the writer Victor Hugo wrote a letter to his publisher that 
consisted solely of '?'

to which the reply was '!'


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 17:07:05 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:07:05 -0700
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <4C991D6B.90908@gmail.com>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>
	<154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>
	<3920204B-57E8-4561-AF1B-55802F10178D@mac.com>
	<4C991D6B.90908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <171557282859.20100921140705@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:02:35 PM, you wrote:

> Supposedly the writer Victor Hugo wrote a letter to his publisher that
> consisted solely of '?'

> to which the reply was '!'

If they were playing chess, the publisher won.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 17:11:35 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:11:35 +0300
Subject: Free RevMedia
In-Reply-To: <171557282859.20100921140705@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C98EEB0.3070604@gmail.com>	<154546149843.20100921110132@ahsoftware.net>	<3920204B-57E8-4561-AF1B-55802F10178D@mac.com>	<4C991D6B.90908@gmail.com>
	<171557282859.20100921140705@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C991F87.6010602@gmail.com>

  On 09/22/2010 12:07 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:02:35 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Supposedly the writer Victor Hugo wrote a letter to his publisher that
>> consisted solely of '?'
>> to which the reply was '!'
> If they were playing chess, the publisher won.
>
  ?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 17:15:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:15:28 +0300
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
Message-ID: <4C992070.7010702@gmail.com>

  Today I went to the Post Office here in Plovdiv and collected
a Yosemite G3 Mac that was sent to me for the cost of the
postage alone.

It works superbly, and does exactly what I need right now . . .  :)

This was an extremely generous gift from somebody who read about my G4
going "poof" on this Use-List.

This confirms my belief that the RunRev Use-list
is "inhabited" by good people.

sincerely, Richmond.


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 17:33:39 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:33:39 -0400
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <D49A27D9-5D21-42EF-BFAC-4E5BC81171F8@numericable.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
	<DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
	<15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>
	<618EE39A-28EF-48E9-AA92-1C8872AE26E0@major.on-rev.com>
	<D49A27D9-5D21-42EF-BFAC-4E5BC81171F8@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <01330DEC-37C4-4D9A-980D-918C6134F6D4@gmail.com>

On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:

> It does not take a big risk by combining "France" and "Cheese"   ;-)

"How can you govern a country where there are over 300 kinds of cheese?"
                 -- Charles de Gaulle

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


> Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 14:29, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :
>
>> Bonjour Ren?,
>>
>>> In french : "on ne fait pas d'omelette sans casser des ?ufs" > "we  
>>> do not make an omelet without breaking eggs"
>>> and, YES, there is omelette with cheese !  ;-)
>>
>> I KNEW I was right! :-D
>>
>>> Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 12:40, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
>>>>>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of  
>>>>>> Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means  
>>>>> breaking stacks that were adapted to work with the previous  
>>>>> behaviour.  But for me this is a massive upgrade because now Rev/ 
>>>>> LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I accept some eggs have  
>>>>> been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> (who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in  
>>>>> English...)
>>>>
>>>> I am sure in french this is something with CHEESE! :-D
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> http://www.major-k.de
>> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 18:04:15 2010
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:04:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
In-Reply-To: <4C992070.7010702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <740527.60501.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Richmond,

Don't mention it. It was just collecting dust around here. Glad you can use it.

Mike

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 4:15 PM

 Today I went to the Post Office here in Plovdiv and collected
a Yosemite G3 Mac that was sent to me for the cost of the
postage alone.

It works superbly, and does exactly what I need right now . . .? :)

This was an extremely generous gift from somebody who read about my G4
going "poof" on this Use-List.

This confirms my belief that the RunRev Use-list
is "inhabited" by good people.

sincerely, Richmond.
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 18:05:41 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:05:41 -0500
Subject: Valentina Help
Message-ID: <AANLkTinyYjVUwcUvUdqSEuykYo7-vew6tk-gk5ZFKUjV@mail.gmail.com>

I just purchased Valentina ADK and am trying what I thought was a simple
example but can't seem to grasp the concept.  Hopefully someone can help who
is familar with Valentina.  I am sure Valentina is a great product...but the
support and the documentation for the RunRev version leaves a lot to be
desired.

On the card, I have the following...

on OpenCard
get Valentina_Init( 10 * 1024 * 1024,"","(serial number)","" )
end OpenCard

on CloseCard
get Valentina_ShutDown
end CloseCard

I created a button to just try to write a record to a database that already
exists.  I just can't get any data written to the database.  Is there
anything obvious I am missing?  I am getting numeric values in the variables
mDatabase, tblSpin, and f1 and f2 so I assume something is working...just no
data in my table.  Thanks for any help!

on mouseUp

put VDatabase_Constructor() into mDatabase
get the effective filename of this stack
set the itemDel to slash
put the (item 1 to -2 of it) & slash & "Database/Spinnables.vdb" into dbPath


get VDatabase_Open( mDatabase, dbPath )
put VDatabase_Table( mDatabase, "Spinnables" ) into tblSpin

get VTable_SetBlank(tblSpin)

put VTable_Field( tblSpin, "Keyword1" ) into f1
put VTable_Field( tblSpin, "Term1" ) into f2

get VField_Value( f1, "test" )
get VField_Value( f2, "test" )

get VTable_AddRecord(tblSpin)

end mouseUp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 21 18:26:09 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:26:09 -0500
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/21/10 2:31 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote:
> I upgraded to LiveCode 4.5. Because I have bought revMobile, Mobile
> Deployment is "already purchased" according to the store, as
> expected. However, I don't see it in the Development>  Plugins menu
> where it used to be. Nor can I find it anywhere else yet. Should I
> reinstall the plugin? If so, where?

In 4.5, open Preferences, Files and Memory pane. Use the browse button 
at the bottom to select your My Revolution folder as the external folder 
location. That folder is located inside your Documents folder, and was 
created by previous versions of Rev. Restart LiveCode and it should load 
all your externals from that location.

Alternate method:

Create a My LiveCode folder inside Documents. Create a Plugins folder 
inside that. Put your plugins in the plugins folder. Restart LiveCode 
and it should load everything automatically. If you do this, don't put 
anything in the preferences path, leave it empty.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 18:30:43 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:30:43 +0200
Subject: [ANN] The SbS 02 - Introduction to the datagrid is on the road again
 in version 1.1
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iwVDy-yfrw0AxSc61J=F5kC7qg6o5XR1Qj4Ch@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of a new version of
the "Introduction to the datagrid" tutorial.

The content is unchanged but we added new capabilities to the tutorial:
- we can now print a topic
- we can now search all the occurrences of a word in a topic. The
search is launched during the input of the letters and the found words
are instantly highlighted in yellow.

Plus we fixed an odd crashing bug in the selection of the content of a topic.

The SbS 02 - Introduction to the datagrid 1.1.0 is now available on
revOnline (liveOnline??) and in the download section of the Slug's
site.

Even if there is nothing very revolutionary, the new code is free to
use if you need it. 8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep 21 18:48:11 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:48:11 +0200
Subject: Valentina Help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinyYjVUwcUvUdqSEuykYo7-vew6tk-gk5ZFKUjV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinyYjVUwcUvUdqSEuykYo7-vew6tk-gk5ZFKUjV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC154CB2-9C80-4BE3-9A15-F378122C2670@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Warren,

I don't see any obvious mistakes in your script. Perhaps you need to use a variable instead of a value.

put "test" into myVar
get VField_Value( f1, myVar )

You might want to post the script that reads the record from the database. Are you sure that you closed the database when you accessed it previously? Is the database in a writable location?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce 
Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 22 sep 2010, at 00:05, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> I just purchased Valentina ADK and am trying what I thought was a simple
> example but can't seem to grasp the concept.  Hopefully someone can help who
> is familar with Valentina.  I am sure Valentina is a great product...but the
> support and the documentation for the RunRev version leaves a lot to be
> desired.
> 
> On the card, I have the following...
> 
> on OpenCard
> get Valentina_Init( 10 * 1024 * 1024,"","(serial number)","" )
> end OpenCard
> 
> on CloseCard
> get Valentina_ShutDown
> end CloseCard
> 
> I created a button to just try to write a record to a database that already
> exists.  I just can't get any data written to the database.  Is there
> anything obvious I am missing?  I am getting numeric values in the variables
> mDatabase, tblSpin, and f1 and f2 so I assume something is working...just no
> data in my table.  Thanks for any help!
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> put VDatabase_Constructor() into mDatabase
> get the effective filename of this stack
> set the itemDel to slash
> put the (item 1 to -2 of it) & slash & "Database/Spinnables.vdb" into dbPath
> 
> 
> get VDatabase_Open( mDatabase, dbPath )
> put VDatabase_Table( mDatabase, "Spinnables" ) into tblSpin
> 
> get VTable_SetBlank(tblSpin)
> 
> put VTable_Field( tblSpin, "Keyword1" ) into f1
> put VTable_Field( tblSpin, "Term1" ) into f2
> 
> get VField_Value( f1, "test" )
> get VField_Value( f2, "test" )
> 
> get VTable_AddRecord(tblSpin)
> 
> end mouseUp


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 21 18:51:57 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:51:57 -0700
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
	<4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <198563575312.20100921155157@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:26:09 PM, you wrote:

> In 4.5, open Preferences, Files and Memory pane. Use the browse button
> at the bottom to select your My Revolution folder as the external folder
> location. That folder is located inside your Documents folder, and was
> created by previous versions of Rev.

Actually, it's never been created automatically. Would that it were.

And note that you *don't* select the Plugins folder itself with the
browse button, just the folder that contains it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 18:52:51 2010
From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:52:51 -0700
Subject: A mini-stack to automatically download most recent main stack?
Message-ID: <00cc01cb59df$b9039570$2b0ac050$@com>

Since its release, I use the web pluggin for most of my apps but there are
so many inconsistencies that I'm thinking of writing a small client app
that, once launched, goes out to where I store the real app/stack and
downloads it and runs it (or tells the little stack all of the parameters
that need changing to make it like the big stack) all automatically.  Sort
of like the weblet does but without the browser.  A small app will sit on
every machine that I want the "real" app to run on.  This way I can make
tweaks to the real app without having to upgrade everyone's client app.  I'm
sure it's not tough but I am but a novice compared to most on this list J

 

Anyone ever do something like this and if so, can you provide ideas as to
how you went about it?

 

Thank for any suggestions

 

____________________________

jim schaubeck

714.321.4499

 



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 21 18:53:56 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:53:56 -0300
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <198563575312.20100921155157@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
	<4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<198563575312.20100921155157@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZZywJz63_rrjG+F2_gfnKhu3+TFiof0apG_n-@mail.gmail.com>

What I am doing these days is using dropbox to contain my plugins folder.
This way all my machines have an up to date copy of my doings and I am able
to work whenever I am.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Jacque-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:26:09 PM, you wrote:
>
> > In 4.5, open Preferences, Files and Memory pane. Use the browse button
> > at the bottom to select your My Revolution folder as the external folder
> > location. That folder is located inside your Documents folder, and was
> > created by previous versions of Rev.
>
> Actually, it's never been created automatically. Would that it were.
>
> And note that you *don't* select the Plugins folder itself with the
> browse button, just the folder that contains it.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 18:57:19 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A mini-stack to automatically download most recent main stack?
Message-ID: <81585.22000.qm@web45001.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Umm you can simply upload the updated stack somewhere on your website and from the small client you;re going to make, you can use this script:

open stack "http://yourwebsite.com/somepath/yourstack.rev"

--- On Tue, 21/9/10, Jim Schaubeck <jimschaubeck at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jim Schaubeck <jimschaubeck at yahoo.com>
Subject: A mini-stack to automatically download most recent main stack?
To: "'How to use Revolution'" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 10:52 PM

Since its release, I use the web pluggin for most of my apps but there are
so many inconsistencies that I'm thinking of writing a small client app
that, once launched, goes out to where I store the real app/stack and
downloads it and runs it (or tells the little stack all of the parameters
that need changing to make it like the big stack) all automatically.? Sort
of like the weblet does but without the browser.? A small app will sit on
every machine that I want the "real" app to run on.? This way I can make
tweaks to the real app without having to upgrade everyone's client app.? I'm
sure it's not tough but I am but a novice compared to most on this list J

 

Anyone ever do something like this and if so, can you provide ideas as to
how you went about it?

 

Thank for any suggestions

 

____________________________

jim schaubeck

714.321.4499

 

_______________________________________________
use-revolution mailing list
use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 18:57:56 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:57:56 -0700
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZZywJz63_rrjG+F2_gfnKhu3+TFiof0apG_n-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
	<4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<198563575312.20100921155157@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimZZywJz63_rrjG+F2_gfnKhu3+TFiof0apG_n-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimT+6+=-j=1zV-QaaJcX6X05xuoPiO4YsVyMjZn@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andre,

is dropbox a macos feature or an application?

On 21 September 2010 15:53, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> What I am doing these days is using dropbox to contain my plugins folder.
> This way all my machines have an up to date copy of my doings and I am able
> to work whenever I am.
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jacque-
> >
> > Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:26:09 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > > In 4.5, open Preferences, Files and Memory pane. Use the browse button
> > > at the bottom to select your My Revolution folder as the external
> folder
> > > location. That folder is located inside your Documents folder, and was
> > > created by previous versions of Rev.
> >
> > Actually, it's never been created automatically. Would that it were.
> >
> > And note that you *don't* select the Plugins folder itself with the
> > browse button, just the folder that contains it.
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> >  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Sep 21 19:01:34 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:01:34 -0700
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimT+6+=-j=1zV-QaaJcX6X05xuoPiO4YsVyMjZn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BE875E.4CE39%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, stephen barncard wrote:

> is dropbox a macos feature or an application?

Dude:

<http://www.dropbox.com>

Andre's idea is very creative.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 21 19:02:33 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:02:33 -0300
Subject: A mini-stack to automatically download most recent main stack?
In-Reply-To: <00cc01cb59df$b9039570$2b0ac050$@com>
References: <00cc01cb59df$b9039570$2b0ac050$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3AcnouMmdpLvvcR3DR4sG7Y=5AjDoWN1wfscb@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

This is very common. It is what we use to call a "splash stack" that serves
as a splash screen like the ones from Adobe and loads the rest of the
application from remote location if needed. Search this list for splash
stack and you will see a lot of goodies.

Be sure to script your stack to cache the main application for times when
there's no networked connection or your app will not launch if unconnected.

Andre

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Jim Schaubeck <jimschaubeck at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Since its release, I use the web pluggin for most of my apps but there are
> so many inconsistencies that I'm thinking of writing a small client app
> that, once launched, goes out to where I store the real app/stack and
> downloads it and runs it (or tells the little stack all of the parameters
> that need changing to make it like the big stack) all automatically.  Sort
> of like the weblet does but without the browser.  A small app will sit on
> every machine that I want the "real" app to run on.  This way I can make
> tweaks to the real app without having to upgrade everyone's client app.
>  I'm
> sure it's not tough but I am but a novice compared to most on this list J
>
>
>
> Anyone ever do something like this and if so, can you provide ideas as to
> how you went about it?
>
>
>
> Thank for any suggestions
>
>
>
> ____________________________
>
> jim schaubeck
>
> 714.321.4499
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 19:02:59 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:02:59 -0500
Subject: Valentina Help
In-Reply-To: <AC154CB2-9C80-4BE3-9A15-F378122C2670@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTinyYjVUwcUvUdqSEuykYo7-vew6tk-gk5ZFKUjV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC154CB2-9C80-4BE3-9A15-F378122C2670@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkx_7qufg=ZuVe18fFsHz=45+YCr-RdxrhvD0X@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

It looks like the log is telling (from what I can tell) that a record is
written...but there is no data being written in my table.  I manually added
7 records to the table, so I am assuming that the..

VTable_AddRecord...
 PARAM: tblRef = "135884248"
return res = 8

...is telling me record number 8 has been added?

I am looking at the file in Valentina Studio and refreshed, closed, etc and
it is not added.

Warren

Valentina_DebugLevel...
 PARAM: inLevel = "kLogParams"
return
VDatabase_Constructor...
 PARAM: inEnumStorageType = "0"
return revDb = 48040944
VDatabase_Open...
 PARAM: dbRef = "48040944"
 PARAM: inStrPath =
"C:/Users/Warren/Desktop/NewSpinner/Database/Spinnables.vdb"
return
VDatabase_Table...
 PARAM: dbRef = "48040944"
 PARAM: inIntIndexOrStrName = "Spinnables"
return res = 135884248
VTable_SetBlank...
 PARAM: tblRef = "135884248"
return
VTable_Field...
 PARAM: tblRef = "135884248"
 PARAM: inIntIndexOrStrName = "Keyword1"
return res = 135815896
VTable_Field...
 PARAM: tblRef = "135884248"
 PARAM: inIntIndexOrStrName = "Term1"
return res = 135816128
VField_Value...
 PARAM: fldRef = "135815896"
 PARAM: inStrValue = "999"
return
VField_Value...
 PARAM: fldRef = "135816128"
 PARAM: inStrValue = "999"
return
VTable_AddRecord...
 PARAM: tblRef = "135884248"
return res = 8


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Warren,
>
> I don't see any obvious mistakes in your script. Perhaps you need to use a
> variable instead of a value.
>
> put "test" into myVar
> get VField_Value( f1, myVar )
>
> You might want to post the script that reads the record from the database.
> Are you sure that you closed the database when you accessed it previously?
> Is the database in a writable location?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at
> http://qurl.tk/ce
> Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform.
> No additional software needed.
>
> On 22 sep 2010, at 00:05, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
> > I just purchased Valentina ADK and am trying what I thought was a simple
> > example but can't seem to grasp the concept.  Hopefully someone can help
> who
> > is familar with Valentina.  I am sure Valentina is a great product...but
> the
> > support and the documentation for the RunRev version leaves a lot to be
> > desired.
> >
> > On the card, I have the following...
> >
> > on OpenCard
> > get Valentina_Init( 10 * 1024 * 1024,"","(serial number)","" )
> > end OpenCard
> >
> > on CloseCard
> > get Valentina_ShutDown
> > end CloseCard
> >
> > I created a button to just try to write a record to a database that
> already
> > exists.  I just can't get any data written to the database.  Is there
> > anything obvious I am missing?  I am getting numeric values in the
> variables
> > mDatabase, tblSpin, and f1 and f2 so I assume something is working...just
> no
> > data in my table.  Thanks for any help!
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >
> > put VDatabase_Constructor() into mDatabase
> > get the effective filename of this stack
> > set the itemDel to slash
> > put the (item 1 to -2 of it) & slash & "Database/Spinnables.vdb" into
> dbPath
> >
> >
> > get VDatabase_Open( mDatabase, dbPath )
> > put VDatabase_Table( mDatabase, "Spinnables" ) into tblSpin
> >
> > get VTable_SetBlank(tblSpin)
> >
> > put VTable_Field( tblSpin, "Keyword1" ) into f1
> > put VTable_Field( tblSpin, "Term1" ) into f2
> >
> > get VField_Value( f1, "test" )
> > get VField_Value( f2, "test" )
> >
> > get VTable_AddRecord(tblSpin)
> >
> > end mouseUp
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From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 19:05:41 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimT+6+=-j=1zV-QaaJcX6X05xuoPiO4YsVyMjZn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

DropBox is an application. You can signup here: http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTc4MTA2NDQ5
By signing up to a referral link, we both gain 250mb additional space so it's a win-win situation. :)

--- On Tue, 21/9/10, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> Subject: Re: Where does revMobile go?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 10:57 PM
> Hi Andre,
> 
> is dropbox a macos feature or an application?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb? <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 19:14:17 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:14:17 -0400
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimT+6+=-j=1zV-QaaJcX6X05xuoPiO4YsVyMjZn@mail.gmail.com>
	<33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3fZffOUCxQiNj=5L-Zd0Q=dFj7QL47n4kPS3Z@mail.gmail.com>

It is a fantastic combo of storage service and application that appears like
a local folder across all of your machines!  It is a remote file service
done right!  Best thing in a long time for synching files across machines
effortlessly.  I cannot understand how either Microsoft or Google have not
acquired this company yet.

Highly highly recommended!

Wayne


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Shadow Slash <shadow.slash at yahoo.com>wrote:

> DropBox is an application. You can signup here:
> http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTc4MTA2NDQ5
> By signing up to a referral link, we both gain 250mb additional space so
> it's a win-win situation. :)
>
> --- On Tue, 21/9/10, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> > Subject: Re: Where does revMobile go?
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 10:57 PM
> > Hi Andre,
> >
> > is dropbox a macos feature or an application?
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> > your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
>
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 19:15:16 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:15:16 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <01330DEC-37C4-4D9A-980D-918C6134F6D4@gmail.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
	<DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
	<15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>
	<618EE39A-28EF-48E9-AA92-1C8872AE26E0@major.on-rev.com>
	<D49A27D9-5D21-42EF-BFAC-4E5BC81171F8@numericable.com>
	<01330DEC-37C4-4D9A-980D-918C6134F6D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=dugrZGwFtjgwQjAgDTYrkw2hvE5DOQ+PO5_KJ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:
>
>> It does not take a big risk by combining "France" and "Cheese" ? ;-)
>
> "How can you govern a country where there are over 300 kinds of cheese?"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Charles de Gaulle
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

Ren?, Klaus and Peter,

I feel there are so many people who use cheese in the
list ... There is a putsh to rename liveCode in liveCheese?

Okay, it's time for me to run!!! Huhuhu 8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 21 19:19:23 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:19:23 -0300
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimT+6+=-j=1zV-QaaJcX6X05xuoPiO4YsVyMjZn@mail.gmail.com>
	<33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimk0YbVnnAicOZHmeXz9aN9zNKZqDXaY37Hcy7-@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Scott!

I am becoming a heavy dropbox user. Thinking about upgrading to paid account
as well. Lots of materials I use and my current projects are stored in a
nicely crafted folder hierarchy inside it. It does not beat using a real
vcs/scm software but for my single user purposes it works well.

The cool thing about dropbox is that requires zero maintenance. I just use
it as a normal folder and it works. For example, I am building some library
code here, I am workaholic so I know that I will want to touch it while
having lunch on the next day on my station at my workplace (lunch time is my
time, not company time) so I just launch LiveCode and since my dropbox
folder is kept always up to date, my recent library project is already there
waiting.

For my other needs, I use mercurial and bitbucket.org. When you go to
http://hg.andregarzia.com to see some of my recent projects, you're actually
going to my bitbucket.org page. I think it is great for public and
commercial projects but for quickies, I just use dropbox, sometimes I use a
combination of both by placing a repo inside a dropbox folder but this
serves no purpose except not loosing stuff in the mess that my HD usually
is.

I haven't had a good HD organization since Mac OS 9 or Minix, in those two
system I actually knew where things were and what they were supposed to do.
Now, I am quite competent with my unix-like userland and NeXT heritage but
installed software, specially installed software from linux tends to spread
all over the place... I miss easy to understand systems.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Shadow Slash <shadow.slash at yahoo.com>wrote:

> DropBox is an application. You can signup here:
> http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTc4MTA2NDQ5
> By signing up to a referral link, we both gain 250mb additional space so
> it's a win-win situation. :)
>
> --- On Tue, 21/9/10, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
> > Subject: Re: Where does revMobile go?
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 10:57 PM
> > Hi Andre,
> >
> > is dropbox a macos feature or an application?
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Sep 21 19:46:04 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:46:04 -0400
Subject: Text File Import
Message-ID: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>

Before I go reinventing the wheel, does someone have a stack that will
import a a folder full of .csv or other database export files, create a
stack with either a substack or backgrounds for each of the files, import
the data, and create list and detail layouts?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 20:18:17 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:18:17 -0700
Subject: Text File Import
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>

Is that all it has to do?

On 21 September 2010 16:46, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Before I go reinventing the wheel, does someone have a stack that will
> import a a folder full of .csv or other database export files, create a
> stack with either a substack or backgrounds for each of the files, import
> the data, and create list and detail layouts?
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 21 20:19:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:19:49 -0500
Subject: Text File Import
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C994BA5.5090808@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/21/10 7:18 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> Is that all it has to do?

I stopped when I got to "import csv".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Sep 21 21:25:11 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:25:11 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
Message-ID: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as being
invisible or hidden?

I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented the same
amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping I could
place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to make the
bullet hidden or invisible.

Is anything like this possible?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From wdurden at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 21:34:48 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:34:48 -0400
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRaU+yxf9q2K-5i0f6jnMCAKACv+aXigQeMkrs@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe make it the same as the background, i.e. a white bullet on white...
If you can insert a table in the html your bullet can be top aligned in the
first column and your text points in a second ,,, tables will handle the
stretch to text content for you automatically.  Rough but just some ideas.

Wayne


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as being
> invisible or hidden?
>
> I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
> Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented the same
> amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping I could
> place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to make the
> bullet hidden or invisible.
>
> Is anything like this possible?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Sep 21 21:38:44 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:38:44 -0400
Subject: tRev
Message-ID: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>

Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same level as the app but no luck.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com

I Can Speak on the iPad Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8

DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today?
http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com

DeMoted on the iTune App Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8













From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Tue Sep 21 21:44:05 2010
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:44:05 -0500
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.um
	anitoba.ca>,<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>

Hi Shadow, thanks again. Am on the road and cannot do a lot of testing right now but basically I got this to work once by embedding one stack in the other (using stackfiles option) but could not subsequently duplicate. Am concerned that I am barking down the wrong tree as don't think that embedded stacks (aka substacks) can save to themselves when compiled. I need a solution that will allow me to have one stack call/load another that is not compiled as part of the mainstack. Will try playing with this again this weekend, but very frustrated this is not straight forward and obvious. I would imagine many people need to have compiled stacks save to themselves?

Cheers,

-- Mark
________________________________________
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Shadow Slash [shadow.slash at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:55 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: loading another stack from splash

Correction concerning your new script,
if you will use "lock screen" you don't have to include the "to true" after it. Reverting the "lock screen" should be as "unlock screen".
And also "set visible to false" needs to identify what you want to hide like "set visible of stack "mystack" to false". Alternatively, you can also just use "hide stack "mystack"" to shorten your code length.

About the path thing, I think you need to define the path of the stack like "notepad3.rev" or something. Otherwise, you can juse add your notepad3 stack as a substack to your splash stack.

:)

--- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

> From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: RE: loading another stack from splash
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 4:25 PM
> Thanks Shadow, yes that was a typo in
> my email, not the hander. I'll cut/paste what I have
>
> on preopenstack
>    -- lock screen to true
>    -- set visible to false
>    answer the utargetstack of this stack
>    go to stack (the utargetstack of this
> stack)
> end preopenstack
>
> There are some commented sections (suggested elsewhere) I
> want to test later. Notepad3 is just another stack residing
> in the same directory as Startup (might that be the problem?
> ie. I'm not providing a path or anything just the name of
> the stack), The bracketing did not help. Thanks
>
> -- Mark
> ________________________________________
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
> On Behalf Of Shadow Slash [shadow.slash at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:36 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: loading another stack from splash
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> First off, is that a typo in your handler? ->
> "preopenstackit".
> IMO, that should be "preOpenStack".
> Now for your problem, can you try this in place of your
> code instead?
> on preopenstack
>    answer the utargetstack of this stack
>    go to stack (the utargetstack of this
> stack)
> end preopenstack
>
> If that still didn't work please do tell so I can try to
> further help you.
>
> --- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> > Subject: loading another stack from splash
> > To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com"
> <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 3:28 PM
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I've written an application (a simple notepad) that I
> > wanted to compile. RunRev documentation suggests
> creating a
> > "splash screen" that
> > calls the "notepad" so that notepad can save into
> itself.
> > So I created a stack called Startup. So far it has a
> single
> > script in the stack script that says
> >
> > on preopenstackit
> >?   answer the utargetstack of this
> > stack  -- works
> >?   go to stack the utargetstack of this
> > stack -- not working
> > end preopenstack
> >
> > utargetstack is defined as Notepad3. When I open the
> > startup stack it displays the name of the "target"
> stack
> > correctly
> > in a dialog (ie. Notepad3).
> >
> > The next line however does nothing. By that I mean it
> does
> > not seem to load and run
> > the Notepad3 stack. This is what I get when I say "put
> the
> > openstacks"
> >
> > Message Box
> > revMenubar
> > revTools
> > revStartCentre
> > Startup
> > revApplicationOverview
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -- Mark
> > _
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 21:55:04 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:55:04 +0900
Subject: tRev
In-Reply-To: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>

> Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same level as the app but no luck.

Found the same problem. But then re-downloaded tRev and it worked.
Perhaps a newer version now?

--
Nicolas Cueto


From alex at a2technology.com  Tue Sep 21 21:56:48 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:56:48 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
 LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <504800.2877.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C8BEB070.1D092%alex@a2technology.com>

Jan,

I tried what you suggested, but it still didn't work.  I tried reassigning
the mainstack of qtrReportLib to my main stack like Jacqueline recommended.
That worked great with libUUID, but not with yours.  Is it protected against
such a thing?

The only thing that has worked with qtrReportLib is to put a full path name
into the start using stack statement.

start using stack "/LiveCodeUserExtensions/qtrReportsLib.rev"

Nothing short of this has worked.  I'm concerned about what will happen when
the standalones are built.  Will I still need this stack installed on the
user's computer in the expected directory?
-- 
Alex Adams

hawkVision ? yourVision of all the info in yourWorld
A2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-724-1397
alex at a2technology.com
www.a2technology.com


> From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
> LiveCode?
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Open your project's mainstack, go to the 'Tools' menu and pick the item 'Stack
> inspector' - then use the option menu at the top to switch to the 'Stack
> files' panel.
> There you can use the 'Folder' icon to add references to the libUUID.rev and
> qrtReportsLib.rev stacks - from then on, you can easily 'start using' those
> libraries with their short name.
> As a bonus, the standalone builder will automatically include them when the
> standalone applications are built. See also page 30 of the Quartam Reports
> Manual pdf file :-)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La
> Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
>> Sarah,
>> 
>> I'm trying to do what you described.? But how??
>> Are you suggesting that I
>> import the libUUID.rev and qtrReportsLib.rev as sub stack
>> to the mainstack
>> of my app?? If so, I can't figure out how to do
>> that.? It must be easy????
>> -- 
>> Alex Adams
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> While not an ideal solution, for the quick fix, can
>> you include these
>>> 2 stacks in the stackFiles of the mainStack that needs
>> to access them?
>>> Then that stack would know where they were and you
>> could "start
>>> using".
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sarah
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 21:57:50 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:57:50 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=CpteCD63dLFFAsOeaKS0qZ=KckR8T1AR+jXqp@mail.gmail.com>

Scott:

how about a non-breaking space?  *&nbsp; *  in the html?.

just tested it - it works in rev html

<p>one</p>

<p>&nbsp;two</p>

<p>three</p>

<p>four</p>

<p>five</p>


one

  two

three

four

five


On 21 September 2010 18:25, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as being
> invisible or hidden?
>
> I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
> Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented the same
> amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping I could
> place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to make the
> bullet hidden or invisible.
>
> Is anything like this possible?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Sep 21 22:04:47 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:04:47 -0700
Subject: tRev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>

yes, Jerry has had to update it a couple of times due to the new packaging
and names. He finally got it to work with any bundle name - it's what's
inside that counts.    He was on it from the first day.

On 21 September 2010 18:55, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same level
> as the app but no luck.
>
> Found the same problem. But then re-downloaded tRev and it worked.
> Perhaps a newer version now?
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Sep 21 22:20:49 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:20:49 -0400
Subject: tRev
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>

I am confused. I went to tRev site and re-downloaded and got another app instead but which looks like tRev.

Loaded and it works. Then had to renew license (just did - I love tRev). But now it downloads older version of tRev which states it is not most recent version and when clicked on takes to same old previous version.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com

I Can Speak on the iPad Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8

DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today?
http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com

DeMoted on the iTune App Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8











On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:04 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> yes, Jerry has had to update it a couple of times due to the new packaging
> and names. He finally got it to work with any bundle name - it's what's
> inside that counts.    He was on it from the first day.
> 
> On 21 September 2010 18:55, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same level
>> as the app but no luck.
>> 
>> Found the same problem. But then re-downloaded tRev and it worked.
>> Perhaps a newer version now?
>> 
>> --
>> Nicolas Cueto
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 22:26:48 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
Message-ID: <522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hmm are you trying to create a notepad-like application that, when closed, saves it's contents and reloads them back when it's been relaunched?


--- On Wed, 22/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

> From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: RE: loading another stack from splash
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 22 September, 2010, 1:44 AM
> Hi Shadow, thanks again. Am on the
> road and cannot do a lot of testing right now but basically
> I got this to work once by embedding one stack in the other
> (using stackfiles option) but could not subsequently
> duplicate. Am concerned that I am barking down the wrong
> tree as don't think that embedded stacks (aka substacks) can
> save to themselves when compiled. I need a solution that
> will allow me to have one stack call/load another that is
> not compiled as part of the mainstack. Will try playing with
> this again this weekend, but very frustrated this is not
> straight forward and obvious. I would imagine many people
> need to have compiled stacks save to themselves?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- Mark
> ________________________________________
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
> On Behalf Of Shadow Slash [shadow.slash at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:55 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: RE: loading another stack from splash
> 
> Correction concerning your new script,
> if you will use "lock screen" you don't have to include the
> "to true" after it. Reverting the "lock screen" should be as
> "unlock screen".
> And also "set visible to false" needs to identify what you
> want to hide like "set visible of stack "mystack" to false".
> Alternatively, you can also just use "hide stack "mystack""
> to shorten your code length.
> 
> About the path thing, I think you need to define the path
> of the stack like "notepad3.rev" or something. Otherwise,
> you can juse add your notepad3 stack as a substack to your
> splash stack.
> 
> :)
> 
> --- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> > Subject: RE: loading another stack from splash
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 4:25 PM
> > Thanks Shadow, yes that was a typo in
> > my email, not the hander. I'll cut/paste what I have
> >
> > on preopenstack
> >? ? -- lock screen to true
> >? ? -- set visible to false
> >? ? answer the utargetstack of this stack
> >? ? go to stack (the utargetstack of this
> > stack)
> > end preopenstack
> >
> > There are some commented sections (suggested
> elsewhere) I
> > want to test later. Notepad3 is just another stack
> residing
> > in the same directory as Startup (might that be the
> problem?
> > ie. I'm not providing a path or anything just the name
> of
> > the stack), The bracketing did not help. Thanks
> >
> > -- Mark
> > ________________________________________
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> > [use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
> > On Behalf Of Shadow Slash [shadow.slash at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:36 AM
> > To: How to use Revolution
> > Subject: Re: loading another stack from splash
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > First off, is that a typo in your handler? ->
> > "preopenstackit".
> > IMO, that should be "preOpenStack".
> > Now for your problem, can you try this in place of
> your
> > code instead?
> > on preopenstack
> >? ? answer the utargetstack of this stack
> >? ? go to stack (the utargetstack of this
> > stack)
> > end preopenstack
> >
> > If that still didn't work please do tell so I can try
> to
> > further help you.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 20/9/10, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>
> > > Subject: loading another stack from splash
> > > To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com"
> > <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Date: Monday, 20 September, 2010, 3:28 PM
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I've written an application (a simple notepad)
> that I
> > > wanted to compile. RunRev documentation suggests
> > creating a
> > > "splash screen" that
> > > calls the "notepad" so that notepad can save
> into
> > itself.
> > > So I created a stack called Startup. So far it
> has a
> > single
> > > script in the stack script that says
> > >
> > > on preopenstackit
> > >????answer the utargetstack of
> this
> > > stack? -- works
> > >????go to stack the utargetstack
> of this
> > > stack -- not working
> > > end preopenstack
> > >
> > > utargetstack is defined as Notepad3. When I open
> the
> > > startup stack it displays the name of the
> "target"
> > stack
> > > correctly
> > > in a dialog (ie. Notepad3).
> > >
> > > The next line however does nothing. By that I
> mean it
> > does
> > > not seem to load and run
> > > the Notepad3 stack. This is what I get when I say
> "put
> > the
> > > openstacks"
> > >
> > > Message Box
> > > revMenubar
> > > revTools
> > > revStartCentre
> > > Startup
> > > revApplicationOverview
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > -- Mark
> > > _
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
> and
> > manage
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> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Sep 21 23:02:27 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:02:27 -0500
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZZywJz63_rrjG+F2_gfnKhu3+TFiof0apG_n-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
	<4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<198563575312.20100921155157@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimZZywJz63_rrjG+F2_gfnKhu3+TFiof0apG_n-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEoZAY07ceGu41irxuJ9XKE3Cc42nUWgzu6Sg8@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto. GMTA!

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> What I am doing these days is using dropbox to contain my plugins folder.
> This way all my machines have an up to date copy of my doings and I am able
> to work whenever I am.


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Sep 21 23:03:45 2010
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:03:45 -0500
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEoZAY07ceGu41irxuJ9XKE3Cc42nUWgzu6Sg8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100921185950.A6F3928896B@mail.runrev.com>
	<0184B9C1-1C75-477F-8085-E272ACA41965@de-mare.nl>
	<4C993101.5040606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<198563575312.20100921155157@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimZZywJz63_rrjG+F2_gfnKhu3+TFiof0apG_n-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimEoZAY07ceGu41irxuJ9XKE3Cc42nUWgzu6Sg8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=j1R5RooLoVPWs968MW3UgCQMoZxCrG-J90Oq_@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, and there's  Public folder in DropBox, where you can put files, and
right-click on them and it will give you the public URL for the file, which
you can send to others or, as I do, use for uploading pics to forums.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Ditto. GMTA!
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>wrote:
>
>> What I am doing these days is using dropbox to contain my plugins folder.
>> This way all my machines have an up to date copy of my doings and I am
>> able
>> to work whenever I am.
>
>


-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Sep 21 23:05:24 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:05:24 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinRaU+yxf9q2K-5i0f6jnMCAKACv+aXigQeMkrs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BEC084.4CE64%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I would colorize the bullet the same as the background but the text/bullets
sit on a gradient.  Also, I could be wrong but I don't believe the HTMLtext
property (as opposed to standard HTML) has ever supported tables.  Thanks
for the suggestions though.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




Recently, wayne durden wrote:

> Maybe make it the same as the background, i.e. a white bullet on white...
> If you can insert a table in the html your bullet can be top aligned in the
> first column and your text points in a second ,,, tables will handle the
> stretch to text content for you automatically.  Rough but just some ideas.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as being
>> invisible or hidden?
>> 
>> I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
>> Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented the same
>> amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping I could
>> place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to make the
>> bullet hidden or invisible.
>> 
>> Is anything like this possible?
>> 
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 21 23:36:11 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:36:11 -0600
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <62547429-DC84-4C9C-9284-E18E716C6C38@swcp.com>

I don't know how to make a character invisible in HTMLtext, but I  
wonder if fiddling with firstIndent and leftMargin will do what you  
want.

Or a tab after the bullet and at the start of the following lines.

Or negative tabs.  I just made that up; I don't know if there are  
negative tab stops.

Or an invisible image the same width as a custom bullet image.

Can htmlText do definition lists?

Dar Scott


On Sep 21, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as  
> being
> invisible or hidden?
>
> I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
> Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented  
> the same
> amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping  
> I could
> place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to  
> make the
> bullet hidden or invisible.
>
> Is anything like this possible?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 00:07:47 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:07:47 -0700
Subject: tRev
In-Reply-To: <F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=E9Dv7Whh-6BJ+GKFZLZEGiPAgy0L-Zu+9N4pg@mail.gmail.com>

yes, REMO - a surprise to me.  Not sure if that's a mistake or not, but it
sure looks like tRev.

You may have to re-enter your registration number again. Hold down option
while starting the app and you can zap the prefs. Perhaps yours old license
timed out or it needs to re-do it.

REMO? WHat happened to our favorite scary beast?

On 21 September 2010 19:20, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

> I am confused. I went to tRev site and re-downloaded and got another app
> instead but which looks like tRev.
>
> Loaded and it works. Then had to renew license (just did - I love tRev).
> But now it downloads older version of tRev which states it is not most
> recent version and when clicked on takes to same old previous version.
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com
>
> I Can Speak on the iPad Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8
>
> DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today?
> http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com
>
> DeMoted on the iTune App Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:04 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > yes, Jerry has had to update it a couple of times due to the new
> packaging
> > and names. He finally got it to work with any bundle name - it's what's
> > inside that counts.    He was on it from the first day.
> >
> > On 21 September 2010 18:55, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Has anyone gotten tRev to work with LiveCode? I put it at the same
> level
> >> as the app but no luck.
> >>
> >> Found the same problem. But then re-downloaded tRev and it worked.
> >> Perhaps a newer version now?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nicolas Cueto
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 00:12:22 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:12:22 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEC084.4CE64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <AANLkTinRaU+yxf9q2K-5i0f6jnMCAKACv+aXigQeMkrs@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8BEC084.4CE64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincH+pEvTDWyBaacm7zudyqueqkeeLxXW5zSynj@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps I didn't understand what you are trying to do - did  &nbsp;  not
work for you?

On 21 September 2010 20:05, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> I would colorize the bullet the same as the background but the text/bullets
> sit on a gradient.  Also, I could be wrong but I don't believe the HTMLtext
> property (as opposed to standard HTML) has ever supported tables.  Thanks
> for the suggestions though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
>
> Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 00:16:56 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:16:56 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8BEA907.4CE4F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F5E078EA-7010-40DE-B1FF-8DDF07787F91@yahoo.com>

You are probably going to have to use a combination of tags
    say   <div>  <ul>  <li> <A href>  <p>

and it would be easier to eventually create the CSS since you will  
want to apply this to several text areas

The idea is to nest <div> and other tags to hold characters and then  
move them into position using

style='position:absolute; left: 5px' --move to the right +5
-- by setting the left attribute to 5 more pixels than the default  
layout position

style='position:absolute; left: -15px; top: 10px'
-- move left 15 pixels, and down 10

style='position:absolute; left: 100px; top: -120px'
--move left 100, and up 120

--------------------
<div style='position: absolute; left='10px' >
<p> </p>

</div>

or
<ul>
   <li  style='position:absolute; left: 5px'>Point one is the best  
one</li>
   <li  style='position:absolute; left: 10px'>Point two is also very  
good</li>
</ul>

or something like

<div id='outer'>
<div id='innerA' style='position:absolute; left: 5px'>Point one is the  
best one   </div>
<div id='innerB' style='position:absolute; left: 5px'>Point two is  
also very good   </div>
</div>

On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as  
> being
> invisible or hidden?
>
> I'm trying to create a workaround for bulleted text lines that wrap.
> Ideally, the wrapped portion of a bulleted line should be indented  
> the same
> amount as the above line that's indented by a bullet.  I was hoping  
> I could
> place a bullet in front of the wrapped line and use HTMLtext to make  
> the
> bullet hidden or invisible.
>
> Is anything like this possible?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 00:19:25 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:19:25 -0500
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEC084.4CE64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8BEC084.4CE64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4C9983CD.9030601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/21/10 10:05 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> I would colorize the bullet the same as the background but the text/bullets
> sit on a gradient.  Also, I could be wrong but I don't believe the HTMLtext
> property (as opposed to standard HTML) has ever supported tables.  Thanks
> for the suggestions though.

You're right, it doesn't support tables. But there's the firstIndent 
property. I wonder if you could set that to a negative number (which 
would give you an outdent) and then when the line wraps, it would indent 
-- if you know what I mean.

Haven't tried it, but we're brainstorming.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 22 00:34:42 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:34:42 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTincH+pEvTDWyBaacm7zudyqueqkeeLxXW5zSynj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8BED572.4CE73%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, stephen barncard wrote:

> Perhaps I didn't understand what you are trying to do - did  &nbsp;  not
> work for you?
> 
> On 21 September 2010 20:05, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would colorize the bullet the same as the background but the text/bullets
>> sit on a gradient.  Also, I could be wrong but I don't believe the HTMLtext
>> property (as opposed to standard HTML) has ever supported tables.  Thanks
>> for the suggestions though.
 
Thanks Stephen.  The spacing is a little off since the characters widths are
probably different, but &nbsp; does work.  Dar's suggestion of using
tabstops might be worth a try.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Sep 22 00:35:50 2010
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:35:50 -0500
Subject: tRev name change and site re-org
In-Reply-To: <F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>

tRev users,

Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've been waiting in the wings with this.

The new name is...[drum roll]

   Remo
   The remote-control object editor for LiveCode

Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!

You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link on the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo there.

We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com). 

We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as we finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (http://reveditor.com) will be history.

The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in general.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
www.alltiera.com


From WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu  Wed Sep 22 01:16:10 2010
From: WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu (Sumner, Walt)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:16:10 -0500
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
Message-ID: <DAC4090D413FC940A2AA86810643FF61647C1C75FF@DOMMAIL01.DOM.wustl.edu>

I am trying to recover text from this web page and all of its siblings:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available/#sigs/691732733/user/1

The interesting part of the page is the comments, which do not appear in the HTML, but which can be copied manually. I can open this page in a browser in LiveCode. With manual mouse motions, I can double click a block of text, choose "Select All" from the "Edit" menu, choose "Copy" from the "Edit" menu, and then paste into a field where the comments all appear and are easy to disassemble. 

Unfortunately, the revbrowser set command and get function do not do anything comparable AFAICT. The "Select All" choice is not implemented in the DoMenu command. I think that printing a pdf is also out. So, any thoughts on how to automate this part of a petition review? For instance, maybe there is a simple way to save the text to a file with the revBrowserExecuteScript function (using JavaScript for Safari)?

BTW, the browser is fully capable of crashing LiveCode on at least some OSX machines. Please don't lose any work for me.

Thanks,

Walt

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 01:23:17 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:23:17 -0700
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
In-Reply-To: <DAC4090D413FC940A2AA86810643FF61647C1C75FF@DOMMAIL01.DOM.wustl.edu>
References: <DAC4090D413FC940A2AA86810643FF61647C1C75FF@DOMMAIL01.DOM.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TJOjboZerpK0BSU_j-M0r=k7qXoUDnw99ynH=@mail.gmail.com>

Why bother with revBrowser at all?  Just  do this in the message box:

put URL(http://website.com/page.html)

 and this will put the website html into the message box output. Obviously
you could do this with fields.

Check out Jerry's videos on Screen Scraping:

http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-1
http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-0


On 21 September 2010 22:16, Sumner, Walt <WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu> wrote:

> I am trying to recover text from this web page and all of its siblings:
>
>
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available/#sigs/691732733/user/1
>
> The interesting part of the page is the comments, which do not appear in
> the HTML, but which can be copied manually. I can open this page in a
> browser in LiveCode. With manual mouse motions, I can double click a block
> of text, choose "Select All" from the "Edit" menu, choose "Copy" from the
> "Edit" menu, and then paste into a field where the comments all appear and
> are easy to disassemble.
>
> Unfortunately, the revbrowser set command and get function do not do
> anything comparable AFAICT. The "Select All" choice is not implemented in
> the DoMenu command. I think that printing a pdf is also out. So, any
> thoughts on how to automate this part of a petition review? For instance,
> maybe there is a simple way to save the text to a file with the
> revBrowserExecuteScript function (using JavaScript for Safari)?
>
> BTW, the browser is fully capable of crashing LiveCode on at least some OSX
> machines. Please don't lose any work for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Walt_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 22 01:25:18 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:25:18 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <F5E078EA-7010-40DE-B1FF-8DDF07787F91@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C8BEE14E.4CE80%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, I wrote:

>> Anyone know if it's possible to define a character in HTMLtext as
>> being invisible or hidden?

Recently, Jim Ault wrote:

> You are probably going to have to use a combination of tags
>     say   <div>  <ul>  <li> <A href>  <p>

> and it would be easier to eventually create the CSS since you will
> want to apply this to several text areas

Thanks Jim, but this is LiveCode's HTMLtext -- no CSS I'm afraid.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 01:27:39 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
In-Reply-To: <DAC4090D413FC940A2AA86810643FF61647C1C75FF@DOMMAIL01.DOM.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <241942.25354.qm@web45004.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Walt,

Umm, if I got it right, you simply want to get the source code of that certain page? If that's what you want to do, you can just use the revBrowserGet() function and retrieve its "htmltext" property.

Best regards,
Shedo Surashu
www.ShadowSlash.tk

Connect with me on LinkedIn. (http://ph.linkedin.com/in/shadowslash)


--- On Wed, 22/9/10, Sumner, Walt <WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu> wrote:

> From: Sumner, Walt <WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu>
> Subject: How to recover text from a web page
> To: "use-revolution at lists.runrev.com" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 22 September, 2010, 5:16 AM
> I am trying to recover text from this
> web page and all of its siblings:
> 
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available/#sigs/691732733/user/1
> 
> The interesting part of the page is the comments, which do
> not appear in the HTML, but which can be copied manually. I
> can open this page in a browser in LiveCode. With manual
> mouse motions, I can double click a block of text, choose
> "Select All" from the "Edit" menu, choose "Copy" from the
> "Edit" menu, and then paste into a field where the comments
> all appear and are easy to disassemble. 
> 
> Unfortunately, the revbrowser set command and get function
> do not do anything comparable AFAICT. The "Select All"
> choice is not implemented in the DoMenu command. I think
> that printing a pdf is also out. So, any thoughts on how to
> automate this part of a petition review? For instance, maybe
> there is a simple way to save the text to a file with the
> revBrowserExecuteScript function (using JavaScript for
> Safari)?
> 
> BTW, the browser is fully capable of crashing LiveCode on
> at least some OSX machines. Please don't lose any work for
> me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Walt_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 





From alex at harryscollar.com  Wed Sep 22 01:28:08 2010
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:28:08 +1000
Subject: tRev name change and site re-org
In-Reply-To: <3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
	<3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
Message-ID: <4C9993E8.1070304@harryscollar.com>

Thanks Jerry.

Noticed only a OSX version for Remo (327), will you create a windows 
version?

I still have major problems with tRev (325) on my Windows7 64bit 
machine. Is this a runrev or tRev problem?

regards
alex


On 22/09/10 2:35 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
> tRev users,
>
> Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've been waiting in the wings with this.
>
> The new name is...[drum roll]
>
>     Remo
>     The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
>
> Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep 22 03:18:20 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:18:20 +0200
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <C8BE875E.4CE39%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8BE875E.4CE39%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <74BE4CAC-E50E-4F2F-84CF-8BBF6DEE6175@numericable.com>

Thank you Andre !

Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 01:01, Scott Rossi a ?crit :

> Recently, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
>> is dropbox a macos feature or an application?
> 
> Dude:
> 
> <http://www.dropbox.com>
> 
> Andre's idea is very creative.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep 22 03:19:47 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:19:47 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=dugrZGwFtjgwQjAgDTYrkw2hvE5DOQ+PO5_KJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>
	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>
	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>
	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
	<DB4476F9-B926-48D1-BE32-F6BEA5BBDF95@major.on-rev.com>
	<15E6B7BE-ADCB-4EAA-B1FF-8D6E2B59A175@numericable.com>
	<618EE39A-28EF-48E9-AA92-1C8872AE26E0@major.on-rev.com>
	<D49A27D9-5D21-42EF-BFAC-4E5BC81171F8@numericable.com>
	<01330DEC-37C4-4D9A-980D-918C6134F6D4@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=dugrZGwFtjgwQjAgDTYrkw2hvE5DOQ+PO5_KJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A77DF3C6-9BC7-436C-A8DD-C18E24C4DD95@numericable.com>

Or CheeseCode !
;-)

Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 01:15, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Ren? Micout wrote:
>> 
>>> It does not take a big risk by combining "France" and "Cheese"   ;-)
>> 
>> "How can you govern a country where there are over 300 kinds of cheese?"
>>                -- Charles de Gaulle
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> 
> Ren?, Klaus and Peter,
> 
> I feel there are so many people who use cheese in the
> list ... There is a putsh to rename liveCode in liveCheese?
> 
> Okay, it's time for me to run!!! Huhuhu 8-)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep 22 03:32:16 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:32:16 +0200
Subject: tRev name change and site re-org
In-Reply-To: <3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
	<3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
Message-ID: <06F2F4F7-F047-4572-A47E-D2F1A6B5FDD0@numericable.com>

I can't download Remo from Rodeo page !

Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 06:35, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :

> tRev users,
> 
> Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've been waiting in the wings with this.
> 
> The new name is...[drum roll]
> 
>   Remo
>   The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
> 
> Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!
> 
> You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link on the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo there.
> 
> We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com). 
> 
> We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as we finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (http://reveditor.com) will be history.
> 
> The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in general.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> www.alltiera.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 03:42:20 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:42:20 -0700
Subject: tRev name change and site re-org
In-Reply-To: <06F2F4F7-F047-4572-A47E-D2F1A6B5FDD0@numericable.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
	<3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
	<06F2F4F7-F047-4572-A47E-D2F1A6B5FDD0@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5EvpZLJYHO=hVyRYL4-knYsmk1977tD+t5G58@mail.gmail.com>

go to reveditor.com

On 22 September 2010 00:32, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> I can't download Remo from Rodeo page !
>
> Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 06:35, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :
>
> > tRev users,
> >
> > Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've
> been waiting in the wings with this.
> >
> > The new name is...[drum roll]
> >
> >   Remo
> >   The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
> >
> > Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!
> >
> > You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link on
> the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the
> alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo there.
> >
> > We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the
> Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (
> http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev
> support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com).
> >
> > We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of
> docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as we
> finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (
> http://reveditor.com) will be history.
> >
> > The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be
> much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in general.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jerry Daniels
> > www.alltiera.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep 22 03:48:28 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:48:28 +0200
Subject: tRev name change and site re-org
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5EvpZLJYHO=hVyRYL4-knYsmk1977tD+t5G58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
	<3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
	<06F2F4F7-F047-4572-A47E-D2F1A6B5FDD0@numericable.com>
	<AANLkTik5EvpZLJYHO=hVyRYL4-knYsmk1977tD+t5G58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FAFDBF6-1976-4B49-B818-64D8AAC835BF@numericable.com>

I have tRev 0.2.0.0 and it is possible to download it from reveditor... but Remo ?

Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 09:42, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> go to reveditor.com
> 
> On 22 September 2010 00:32, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:
> 
>> I can't download Remo from Rodeo page !
>> 
>> Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 06:35, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :
>> 
>>> tRev users,
>>> 
>>> Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've
>> been waiting in the wings with this.
>>> 
>>> The new name is...[drum roll]
>>> 
>>>  Remo
>>>  The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
>>> 
>>> Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!
>>> 
>>> You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link on
>> the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the
>> alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo there.
>>> 
>>> We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the
>> Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (
>> http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev
>> support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com).
>>> 
>>> We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of
>> docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as we
>> finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (
>> http://reveditor.com) will be history.
>>> 
>>> The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be
>> much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in general.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Jerry Daniels
>>> www.alltiera.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 22 03:54:01 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:54:01 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character?
In-Reply-To: <4C9983CD.9030601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C8BF0429.4CE91%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, I wrote:

>> I would colorize the bullet the same as the background but the text/bullets
>> sit on a gradient.  Also, I could be wrong but I don't believe the HTMLtext
>> property (as opposed to standard HTML) has ever supported tables.  Thanks
>> for the suggestions though.

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

> You're right, it doesn't support tables. But there's the firstIndent
> property. I wonder if you could set that to a negative number (which
> would give you an outdent) and then when the line wraps, it would indent
> -- if you know what I mean.

Yeah, something like this appears as a user-entered tip in the docs.  I'll
try this out.  Thanks.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if anyone has put together a reasonable text
editing routine/method/function that uses a separate text formatting
palette.

I'm using the method of setting the backColor of selected text to create a
fake text selection, and I'm getting all kinds of weird selection
behavior/colorizing issues when dealing with multiple lines.  I've been
fighting with this for hours now, and for the life of me, I can't figure out
a recipe that reliably adds a fake hilite to selected lines of text, allows
colorizing and formatting of the selected text (while keeping the fake
hilite intact), maintaining the hilite when switching back and forth between
the main stack and the text palette, and eventually removing the fake
hilite.

I can't even get the fake hilite to match the real text selection because
setting the backColor of the text results in a colored field that has
different dimensions than a real text selection.

If anyone has already done something like I would really appreciate seeing
how you did it.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 04:04:41 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:04:41 -0700
Subject: tRev name change and site re-org
In-Reply-To: <0FAFDBF6-1976-4B49-B818-64D8AAC835BF@numericable.com>
References: <CFCD712F-ECA7-4F50-AAAF-2EF4E2F2744E@mac.com>
	<AANLkTinbpft4apQFoqa1qfAk66HV6COKWzL5yhU0ymTJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinZGfmn+qhhUnkRMJtgk3vQsAQ+D=JgqKBgupyj@mail.gmail.com>
	<F571B129-4962-4B2F-ADDF-C0D7AD91B598@mac.com>
	<3F49D3C8-9770-4B0E-8531-30F1A7D66E69@me.com>
	<06F2F4F7-F047-4572-A47E-D2F1A6B5FDD0@numericable.com>
	<AANLkTik5EvpZLJYHO=hVyRYL4-knYsmk1977tD+t5G58@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FAFDBF6-1976-4B49-B818-64D8AAC835BF@numericable.com>
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Jerry rebranded. It's still tRev.

On 22 September 2010 00:48, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> I have tRev 0.2.0.0 and it is possible to download it from reveditor... but
> Remo ?
>
> Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 09:42, stephen barncard a ?crit :
>
> > go to reveditor.com
> >
> > On 22 September 2010 00:32, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I can't download Remo from Rodeo page !
> >>
> >> Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 06:35, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :
> >>
> >>> tRev users,
> >>>
> >>> Since Rev has changed its name to LiveCode, we have renamed tRev. We've
> >> been waiting in the wings with this.
> >>>
> >>> The new name is...[drum roll]
> >>>
> >>>  Remo
> >>>  The remote-control object editor for LiveCode
> >>>
> >>> Has a nice, new icon that looks like...a remote control!
> >>>
> >>> You can download the new Remo from the tRev side via the download link
> on
> >> the right side of the pages. Please use this link or go to the
> >> alltiera.com site click the Downloads link on the right to get Remo
> there.
> >>>
> >>> We're in the process of converting and moving tRev sales info to the
> >> Utilities/Remo section of the Alltiera/Rodeo sales site (
> >> http://alltiera.com/utilities). We're also rebranding and moving tRev
> >> support info to the Alltiera/Zendesk site (http://alltiera.zendesk.com
> ).
> >>>
> >>> We have oodles of tRev video that will need to be redone and tons of
> >> docs/posts that need some name changing. I'll post more on this here, as
> we
> >> finish with the move. Within the week, the old tRev site (
> >> http://reveditor.com) will be history.
> >>>
> >>> The new Remo support site (under construction within Zendesk) will be
> >> much better for FAQs, reporting incidents and providing support in
> general.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Jerry Daniels
> >>> www.alltiera.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 05:49:05 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:49:05 +0300
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
In-Reply-To: <740527.60501.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <740527.60501.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C99D111.40102@gmail.com>

  On 09/22/2010 01:04 AM, Michael Kann wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> Don't mention it. It was just collecting dust around here. Glad you can use it.
>
> Mike
>

I must be missing something, because I recievd a computer from somebody 
other than you.


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Wed Sep 22 06:04:13 2010
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:04:13 +0200
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <20100922014240.CAC56288522@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100922014240.CAC56288522@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FEE0CFC0-CD27-48AB-A299-08615DFAE5D3@de-mare.nl>

But shouldn't it be included? I mean, in the new approach it is one of  
the distribution methods, just like Mac, Windows, Unix and Web. So I  
actually expected to find it in the Standalone application settings as  
one of the tabs. And let the license prevent or enable me to use it...

Or am I thinking too far ahead now?

Terry



Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:26:09 PM, Jacque wrote:
>
> On 9/21/10 2:31 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote:
>> I upgraded to LiveCode 4.5. Because I have bought revMobile, Mobile
>> Deployment is "already purchased" according to the store, as
>> expected. However, I don't see it in the Development>  Plugins menu
>> where it used to be. Nor can I find it anywhere else yet. Should I
>> reinstall the plugin? If so, where?
>
> In 4.5, open Preferences, Files and Memory pane. Use the browse button
> at the bottom to select your My Revolution folder as the external  
> folder
> location. That folder is located inside your Documents folder, and was
> created by previous versions of Rev. Restart LiveCode and it should  
> load
> all your externals from that location.


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 22 06:26:52 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Online Snippets library
Message-ID: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>


Is there an online code snippets library out there for Rev erm LiveCode?

Not full tutorials, we have them and they are great but just small chunks of
code that individuals have used and tested. I know there is a lot of code
out there but it's fragmented so a central snippet store I think would be
useful.

If not I'm willing to get one up and running.

I'm thinking of having a tree type drill down to the snippets.

Anyone will be able to post thier snippets, suggest new categories etc. The
inclusion would not be automatic as to stop bad (spam, porn) content each
submission would have to be approved.

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 06:27:53 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:27:53 +0200
Subject: [ANN] The SbS 02 - Introduction to the datagrid is on the road
 again in version 1.1
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iwVDy-yfrw0AxSc61J=F5kC7qg6o5XR1Qj4Ch@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iwVDy-yfrw0AxSc61J=F5kC7qg6o5XR1Qj4Ch@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ckb_ZFjY5Kp-Touwq6pOXTmi94BSv4juVfD7G@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:30 AM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of a new version of
> the "Introduction to the datagrid" tutorial.
>
> The content is unchanged but we added new capabilities to the tutorial:
> - we can now print a topic
> - we can now search all the occurrences of a word in a topic. The
> search is launched during the input of the letters and the found words
> are instantly highlighted in yellow.
>
> Plus we fixed an odd crashing bug in the selection of the content of a topic.
>
> The SbS 02 - Introduction to the datagrid 1.1.0 is now available on
> revOnline (liveOnline??) and in the download section of the Slug's
> site.
>
> Even if there is nothing very revolutionary, the new code is free to
> use if you need it. 8-)

We have updated the tutorial:
The tutorial stack is now modeless to prevent the save message on
close after the using of the search box.
This should give you the better experience in the using of the tutorial.

Thanks to update!


All the best,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 06:34:49 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:34:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Print card
Message-ID: <1285151689186-2550070.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

I have a problem that I can't see how to solve...

I have a card sized to A4
I put some graphics and texts into the card and print to pdf. All run fine
and the size of the graphics are exactly.

Now I try to print from a laptop, and the stack is smaller, and the printed
zone is the viewed zone. I read to adapt the printsize to the A4 but the
last lines or the bottom zone of the card appear cutted.

Any idea why?



Salut,
Josep 

   
   set the printPaperSize to "595,842"
   set the printMargins to 0,0,0,0 
   open printing to pdf "card_test.pdf"
   
   print card 1 from 0,0 to 595,900 --from 0,0 to 595,842 --into pagerect
   close printing


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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 22 07:04:33 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:04:33 +0200
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C2FDC489-3948-4CC1-98D4-506F2A424FFE@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Andy,

A collection of approximately 300 scripts, snippets and tips is available at http://runrev.info


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.

On 22 sep 2010, at 12:26, AndyP wrote:

> 
> Is there an online code snippets library out there for Rev erm LiveCode?
> 
> Not full tutorials, we have them and they are great but just small chunks of
> code that individuals have used and tested. I know there is a lot of code
> out there but it's fragmented so a central snippet store I think would be
> useful.
> 
> If not I'm willing to get one up and running.
> 
> I'm thinking of having a tree type drill down to the snippets.
> 
> Anyone will be able to post thier snippets, suggest new categories etc. The
> inclusion would not be automatic as to stop bad (spam, porn) content each
> submission would have to be approved.
> 
> -----
> Andy Piddock



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Sep 22 07:13:04 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:13:04 +0200
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3410FDAC-3489-448B-A730-272D584AF5EF@ezpzapps.com>

The List archives are full of them & excellent advice.

sims

On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:26 PM, AndyP wrote:

> 
> Is there an online code snippets library out there for Rev erm LiveCode?
> 
> Not full tutorials, we have them and they are great but just small chunks of
> code that individuals have used and tested. I know there is a lot of code
> out there but it's fragmented so a central snippet store I think would be
> useful.
> 
> If not I'm willing to get one up and running.
> 
> I'm thinking of having a tree type drill down to the snippets.
> 
> Anyone will be able to post thier snippets, suggest new categories etc. The
> inclusion would not be automatic as to stop bad (spam, porn) content each
> submission would have to be approved.
> 
> -----
> Andy Piddock
> 
> 
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> -- 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 22 07:13:59 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:13:59 +0100
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy great to hear, yes I think it is a great idea, and would love to
work with you on it. Andre is also interested in helping get this up and
running, last we spoke - unless impending marriage has derailed that
somewhat - congrats Andre!

I'm working on specific aspects of this, and it would be great to work on
the online apsects. I've one solution to this that I've had working based
around an open source code documentation wiki called Trac, but I think there
is enough interest now to build on a more LiveCode centric approach using
revIgnitor for the web framework?

I'm concentrating on making sure the search and indexing of the fragments is
done well, that they are in a repository and that both local and online
sharing of these fragments is possible in a rich range of ways.

What approach to the snippet library would you like to take?


On 22 September 2010 11:26, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Is there an online code snippets library out there for Rev erm LiveCode?
>
> Not full tutorials, we have them and they are great but just small chunks
> of
> code that individuals have used and tested. I know there is a lot of code
> out there but it's fragmented so a central snippet store I think would be
> useful.
>
> If not I'm willing to get one up and running.
>
> I'm thinking of having a tree type drill down to the snippets.
>
> Anyone will be able to post thier snippets, suggest new categories etc. The
> inclusion would not be automatic as to stop bad (spam, porn) content each
> submission would have to be approved.
>
> -----
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Online-Snippets-library-tp2550057p2550057.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 22 08:12:24 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi David,

Apart from LiveCode I'm a PHP/MySql jockey and I was thinking of keeping it
simple, something like below:

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n2550163/layout.jpg 

This could be:

1. All PHP/MySql   or
2. A LiveCode desktop offering connecting to the database or both.

I prefer 1. as it's available from everywhere.

-----
Andy Piddock


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 22 08:18:07 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:18:07 -0700
Subject: SoCal Rev User Group meeting: Thursday night
Message-ID: <4C99F3FF.1040808@fourthworld.com>

This Thursday, Sept. 23, the Southern California Rev User Group will 
hold our monthly meeting in Glendale.

Jim Lambert has once again graciously offered the use of the MyShape 
offices where he works for this meeting (thanks Jim!).

This month's feature presentation will be Bill Vlahos sharing some of 
what he's learned making and marketing his InfoWallet product, followed 
by roundtable discussions on the implications of "LiveCode" rebranding 
for our evangelism efforts and on GUI component architectures based 
around some of the ideas Mark Stuart brought up at last month's meeting.

Early birds can meet at 6PM at Porto's restaurant across the street to 
share a meal.

Details and directions:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/socalrev/>

Hope to see you there -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 08:19:10 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:19:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>
	<4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Congratulations to Kevin and the Team
for this new name!

Many years ago, i expressed to them my
concern about the name "Revolution"
that has too many meanings attached.

It was almost impossible to position this
product in the mind of user, without finding
a previous meaning which struggle for
salience.

http://www.ries.com/articles-positioningera.php

By the way, when this thread started some days
ago, i searched for livecode in google and runrev
webpage appears in 7th position. Today is 5th.
This is really good. 

Way to go! :D

Al



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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Wed Sep 22 08:22:46 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:22:46 +0200
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>
	<4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>
	<1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D8BFE29D-9392-4020-B024-D32E5FC744BD@numericable.com>

8th in France !

Le 22 sept. 2010 ? 14:19, Alejandro Tejada a ?crit :

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Congratulations to Kevin and the Team
> for this new name!
> 
> Many years ago, i expressed to them my
> concern about the name "Revolution"
> that has too many meanings attached.
> 
> It was almost impossible to position this
> product in the mind of user, without finding
> a previous meaning which struggle for
> salience.
> 
> http://www.ries.com/articles-positioningera.php
> 
> By the way, when this thread started some days
> ago, i searched for livecode in google and runrev
> webpage appears in 7th position. Today is 5th.
> This is really good. 
> 
> Way to go! :D
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 22 08:28:27 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:28:27 +0100
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1jT5O_w5qgEGQFjucJb0U6K_mmreDz3Y8QwQJ@mail.gmail.com>

On 22 September 2010 13:12, AndyP <smudge.andy at googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Apart from LiveCode I'm a PHP/MySql jockey and I was thinking of keeping it
> simple, something like below:
>
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n2550163/layout.jpg
>
> This could be:
>
> 1. All PHP/MySql   or
> 2. A LiveCode desktop offering connecting to the database or both.
>
> I prefer 1. as it's available from everywhere.
>

OK - simple is good. I'm currently working on an sqlite db for this, and
frankly I'm not by any means a db expert, so having someone to work with on
the schema and MySQL side would be great.

I'd prefer to do this on On-Rev and using PostreSQL, mainly so Pierre could
chip in every now and then :) - but MySql is fine.

I'm currently working with sqlYoga and sqlite, and adding folksonomy tagging
to the snippets db, it would be great to use the same schema, and then start
to define the controller code so that local snippets and online snippets
work well together?


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 08:33:43 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
	LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <C8BEB070.1D092%alex@a2technology.com>
Message-ID: <256775.37775.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi ALex,

You really shouldn't make the libraries substacks of your own stack, merely add a reference to them in the stackfiles, as I explained.
Once you've done that, the standalone builder will automatically copy it to the standalone folder at build time.

qrtReportsLib.rev includes substacks of its own, and therefore cannot become a substack of your mainstack.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
> Jan,
> 
> I tried what you suggested, but it still didn't work.?
> I tried reassigning
> the mainstack of qtrReportLib to my main stack like
> Jacqueline recommended.
> That worked great with libUUID, but not with yours.?
> Is it protected against
> such a thing?
> 
> The only thing that has worked with qtrReportLib is to put
> a full path name
> into the start using stack statement.
> 
> start using stack
> "/LiveCodeUserExtensions/qtrReportsLib.rev"
> 
> Nothing short of this has worked.? I'm concerned about
> what will happen when
> the standalones are built.? Will I still need this
> stack installed on the
> user's computer in the expected directory?
> -- 
> Alex Adams
> 


      



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 08:39:56 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <D8BFE29D-9392-4020-B024-D32E5FC744BD@numericable.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>
	<4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>
	<1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D8BFE29D-9392-4020-B024-D32E5FC744BD@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <1285159196494-2550202.post@n4.nabble.com>


By the way, Richmond should
update this Wikipedia page with
more recent information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RunRev

Notice that his Wiki appears in
the body of the article.

Runtime Revolution contains a built-in help system.
A wiki for user-authored documentation:
richmondsrevolution.pbwiki.com.

;-)
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 08:44:28 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:44:28 -0400
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>

Andy,

You might want to check out scripters scrapebook. Although I don't think it has been updated in a few years, it might give you some direction. The online aspect / shared repository is very interesting to me.


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com

I Can Speak on the iPad Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8


On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:12 AM, AndyP wrote:

> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Apart from LiveCode I'm a PHP/MySql jockey and I was thinking of keeping it
> simple, something like below:
> 
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n2550163/layout.jpg 
> 
> This could be:
> 
> 1. All PHP/MySql   or
> 2. A LiveCode desktop offering connecting to the database or both.
> 
> I prefer 1. as it's available from everywhere.
> 
> -----
> Andy Piddock
> 
> 
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Online-Snippets-library-tp2550057p2550163.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Sep 22 08:52:02 2010
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:52:02 +0200
Subject: Updating from Revolution 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5
Message-ID: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I had a few months spare in my Run-Rev 4 licence,
so I downloaded LiveCode 4.5.0 (Happy Bunny !).

In order to ensure that LiveCode is called when I
double-click on a Revolution stack, I now have to
delete my folder Revolution Studio (or something of
that ilk).

But the folder contains a multitude of files, and
the LiveCode application is but one file.

Before doing something stupid, how do I proceed ?

Do I simply delete the Revolution.app in the Revolution
Studio 4.0 folder, and replace it by the new LiveCode
4.5.app ?

..... Or is it just a tad more complicated ?

-Francis




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 08:52:09 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:52:09 -0400
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D9AB4A95-6367-44F0-A3FC-C718706EA9FC@mac.com>

Scripter's Scrapebook link: http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm

On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Andy,
> 
> You might want to check out scripters scrapebook. Although I don't think it has been updated in a few years, it might give you some direction. The online aspect / shared repository is very interesting to me.
> 
> 
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 
> I Can Speak on the iPad Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:12 AM, AndyP wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Apart from LiveCode I'm a PHP/MySql jockey and I was thinking of keeping it
>> simple, something like below:
>> 
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n2550163/layout.jpg 
>> 
>> This could be:
>> 
>> 1. All PHP/MySql   or
>> 2. A LiveCode desktop offering connecting to the database or both.
>> 
>> I prefer 1. as it's available from everywhere.
>> 
>> -----
>> Andy Piddock
>> 
>> 
>> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Online-Snippets-library-tp2550057p2550163.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 22 09:05:59 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:05:59 -0700
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
Message-ID: <4C99FF37.40803@fourthworld.com>

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> http://www.ries.com/articles-positioningera.php

Excellent article.

"Google", "Yahoo", "Twitter", even "Kodak" are all colossally stupid 
names; for the reasons that article points, out positioning is about far 
more than names.

The product experience is what people buy, and what they talk about.

This post from earlier this morning echoes perhaps the most 
frequently-cited challenge in learning LiveCode, and perhaps the biggest 
opportunity for enhancing the product experience and therefore its 
mindshare:

<http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2010-September/145768.html>

Programming languages are different from toasters or any other consumer 
product.  They have unique challenges, and the size and scope of the 
ecosystem plays an uncommonly strong role in perceptions of a 
programming tool's worthiness.  Developers need to know they don't have 
to reinvent every wheel.

The more prefab components included in the out-of-the-box experience, 
the more empowering the tool will be.  When sufficiently empowering, the 
buzz will take care of the branding organically; conversely, even the 
best branding in the world can't make up the difference if that 
empowerment is lacking.  Branding can help lead to downloads, but only 
the product experience can lead to conversion.

Mark Stuart raised some of these issues in our last local Rev User Group 
meeting, and I'm looking forward to exploring them further in our next 
one tomorrow night.

For all the benefits of LiveCode, a few other tools still have some 
significant advantages in being able to assemble great data-rich GUIs 
quickly.  We'd like to see what we can do to help close that gap, 
perhaps as a project through the Rev Interoperability Project (RIP).

Here's one small corner of that problem:  data input validation.  A 
great many apps need it, but input masking and validation must currently 
be scripted by hand, while most DBs provide them as simple properties.

One of the RIP initiatives is to provide a common behavior object that 
can be assigned to fields, set a property or two, and masking and 
validation would happen automatically.

This initiative could use some help; most of us have been busy with our 
own products.  If anyone here would like to lend a hand you're very 
welcome to join in:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>

The code will be released as either public domain or MIT license, so 
this may be a good starting point for those interested in furthering 
FOSS goals in the LiveCode ecosystem, a relatively small task in which 
the process can be refined leading the way to bigger initiatives, and 
the output from which would be enormously valuable right now.


> By the way, when this thread started some days
> ago, i searched for livecode in google and runrev
> webpage appears in 7th position. Today is 5th.
> This is really good.

If the prospect already knows your name and is sufficiently motivated to 
search for it, most of the job is already done and they will find you no 
matter what your name is:

http://www.google.com/search?q=revolution+programming

Search engine optimization is the challenge of helping people who don't 
yet know who you are to find you:

http://www.google.com/search?q=rapid+application+development

Relevant backlinks, keyword-based domains, domain longevity, appropriate 
keyword richness, and consistent keyword usage in backlinks help make 
that happen.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
  revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 09:41:22 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:41:22 -0400
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7DB2F1C2-F85E-4BF5-94A3-A7D779D6D3A4@gmail.com>

There are a bunch of collections out there -- Scripter's Scrapbook,  
"sample scripts" in the Rev search engine, Richard Gaskin's RevNet  
plugin, etc. The problem as I see it with starting up yet another  
online repository for snippets is that these resources are already  
scattered in a number of places. I think that the best idea would be  
to contact everyone with existing collections of scripts to get  
permission to include them in a central site. Now that would be useful  
-- one place to go, one place to post! I'd suggest a simple online  
database of scripts with tags, browsable and searchable in a browser,  
with a transparent API so that a Rev (whoops! LiveCode!) stack can be  
distributed to access it from a plugin within LiveCode.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Andy,
>
> You might want to check out scripters scrapebook. Although I don't  
> think it has been updated in a few years, it might give you some  
> direction. The online aspect / shared repository is very interesting  
> to me.
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com
>
> I Can Speak on the iPad Store
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:12 AM, AndyP wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Apart from LiveCode I'm a PHP/MySql jockey and I was thinking of  
>> keeping it
>> simple, something like below:
>>
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n2550163/layout.jpg
>>
>> This could be:
>>
>> 1. All PHP/MySql   or
>> 2. A LiveCode desktop offering connecting to the database or both.
>>
>> I prefer 1. as it's available from everywhere.
>>
>> -----
>> Andy Piddock
>>
>>
>> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Online-Snippets-library-tp2550057p2550163.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From rman at free.fr  Wed Sep 22 09:53:16 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Updating from Revolution 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5
In-Reply-To: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>
References: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1285163596960-2550341.post@n4.nabble.com>


I really like the new brand name and am very happy about that,
congratulations, it has always been a critical issue to describe revolution
as a tool to other people!! LiveCode will make life much simpler, on that
comunication issue. So yeah! great Hurrah!

Now on the money front, wouhaou!! I bought a windows version of runrev
Studio for a friend of mine as a present, it is just a month outdated, and
the switch from 4.00 to 4.5 for the equivalent licenses seem to costs 149 +
99 + 99 + 99 = 446 bucks ! Did I do something wrong??? That is twice as much
as repetitive bargain price to which studio was offered and 4 times the
yearly upgrade license for studio. Big jump!

Alternatively, since he would do some work for me, maybe he can just switch
from studio to personnal Livecode, since I will anyway incorporate myself
the result and compile on my commercial license the end result, but I do not
see that option. Has anybody a clue?

I hope this gives more air to the development team and better quality to
us.. this is a many years regular investment from me.. !

But I also wonder if that pricing scheme will be so advantageous to runrev
(and us in return!?). I remember i did support this modular approach on the
survey, before I was confronted to it. But now It may well turn out that the
smaller developpers will have to pay up much more, an maybe too much for
some of them. To sell just one little app on all platforms and mobile will
cost 1000 bucks for the initial upgrade and after that I did not quite get
it : 700 bucks per year or 1400? 

And the big ones, or the ones organized in networks will pay much less per
worker seat since they can centralise compiling of apps on one seat and
develop on many seats with access to all functions using a personnal
license. So they will be able to compile many applications on just one
seat...

So the message is clearly, get big or die as a developper.. unless lonely
developpers finally get a chance to unite a little more and get organized,
like bigger ones! 







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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 22 10:05:59 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:05:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <D9AB4A95-6367-44F0-A3FC-C718706EA9FC@mac.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>
	<D9AB4A95-6367-44F0-A3FC-C718706EA9FC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1285164359721-2550362.post@n4.nabble.com>


Thanks Thomas,

Well what can I say. I've just downloaded the trial version and well...job
done!

The last update to the app was June 24 2010 so far from dead.

Very impressive product, made with Rev. We should all be supporting this
great product. I will be!

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 22 10:17:32 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:17:32 -0700
Subject: Online Snippets library
Message-ID: <4C9A0FFC.4010001@fourthworld.com>

AndyP wrote:

 > On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
 >> Scripter's Scrapebook link: http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm
 >
 > Thanks Thomas,
 >
 > Well what can I say. I've just downloaded the trial version and
 > well...job done!
 >
 > The last update to the app was June 24 2010 so far from dead.
 >
 > Very impressive product, made with Rev. We should all be supporting
 > this great product. I will be!

Few dev tools have the feature-completeness of Scripter's Scrapbook. 
Just when you think you've seen everything it offers, you'll stumble 
across some other affordance he's included and find yourself saying, 
"Wow, he thought of that too!"

Hugh took the time to draft a brief article about it for LiveCode 
Journal (formerly RevJournal):

<http://www.livecodejournal.com/features/scripters-scrapbook.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 22 10:17:44 2010
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <7DB2F1C2-F85E-4BF5-94A3-A7D779D6D3A4@gmail.com>
References: <1285151212461-2550057.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZ4vgcK24RqRWF7rRr6zW-VhXycPT7Umg2yoM7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285157544805-2550163.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C3226D9D-14D1-4036-8882-418CF98F5BF1@mac.com>
	<7DB2F1C2-F85E-4BF5-94A3-A7D779D6D3A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285165064871-2550383.post@n4.nabble.com>


Peter,

After reviewing all the links posted I have to agree with you, however to
get this centralised prehaps this is something that RunRev should consider
setting up.

Come on RunRev lets have some feedback on this one

It's interesting how when I started this thread I was sure that a new
snippet base was needed and how the feedback here has completely turned that
around!

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 10:23:57 2010
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:23:57 -0500
Subject: [revMobile] Horizontal Orientation
Message-ID: <8F81E6D1-CA8E-46DB-928C-B7DDC8595186@mac.com>

Hi All,

I've been playing with revMobile and have successfully loaded an app on my iPhone in the vertical orientation.... and except for an occasional screen going black issue all works as I expected.

However, I've been trying to develop a second app in the horizontal orientation.... not one that can be rotated, just one to work only in horizontal. For that I tried using info from the alpha handbook.... 

To change the orientation of the user interface use the following command:
iphoneRotateInterface orientation Here orientation is one of:
? ? ? ?
portrait ? the screen is not rotated portrait upside down ? the screen is rotated 180 degrees landscape left ? the screen is rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise landscape right ? the screen is rotated 90 degrees clockwise

I placed the command in the preopenstack handler... to no avail.

I also simply reversed the width/height of my new stack from the version that I already had working... well, the new stack shows up on the iPad simulator, but not the iPhone simulator even when I rotate the phone to the right or left.

Obviously I missing something... I hope it is something very basic.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

take care,
randy hengst

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:08:41 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:08:41 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <1285159196494-2550202.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>	<4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>	<1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>	<D8BFE29D-9392-4020-B024-D32E5FC744BD@numericable.com>
	<1285159196494-2550202.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4C9A1BF9.50805@gmail.com>

  On 09/22/2010 03:39 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> By the way, Richmond should
> update this Wikipedia page with
> more recent information:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RunRev
>
> Notice that his Wiki appears in
> the body of the article.
>
> Runtime Revolution contains a built-in help system.
> A wiki for user-authored documentation:
> richmondsrevolution.pbwiki.com.
>
> ;-)

Quite frankly that project "died a death" quite a few years ago when
there was insufficient uptake of editors and contributors.


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Wed Sep 22 11:11:41 2010
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:11:41 -0700
Subject: Web, Mobile and Server documentation
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D86@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi all,
On the RunRev website, on the Store page, it references the following
when I mouse over the Commercial LiveCode Complete icon:

>
The All-In toolkit to solve complex problems fast
For serious developers everywhere, the Master bundle. Get LiveCode
Development Tools, every deployment option including Desktop, Web,
Mobile and Server <

Since I have this license, I was wondering where's the documentation on
how to use and build the Web, the Mobile and Server features?
I've looked thru the User Guide and haven't found any reference to these
features.
I've looked on the RunRev web site, but everything is not up to date.

So are we waiting for this documentation, or is it written up already?
Can someone point me in the right direction concerning this?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Sep 22 11:20:00 2010
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:20:00 -0500
Subject: Online Snippets library
In-Reply-To: <1285164359721-2550362.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C8BF88D0.55DD1%kray@sonsothunder.com>

 
> Thanks Thomas,
> 
> Well what can I say. I've just downloaded the trial version and well...job
> done!
> 
> The last update to the app was June 24 2010 so far from dead.
> 
> Very impressive product, made with Rev. We should all be supporting this
> great product. I will be!

Also Scripter's Scrapbook has an online sharing component that's part of the
package that lets users post snippets for others to use that they can then
download into their own copy of Scripter's Scrapbook.

It doesn't get a lot of activity, but that's probably because most people
just don't know about it...

I use it for all of my code snippets, info on programming, and even to store
links to various resources. It's a great product!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:31:16 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <4C9A1BF9.50805@gmail.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>
	<4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>
	<1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D8BFE29D-9392-4020-B024-D32E5FC744BD@numericable.com>
	<1285159196494-2550202.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C9A1BF9.50805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285169476651-2550532.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Richmond,


Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> Quite frankly that project "died a death" quite a few years ago when
> there was insufficient uptake of editors and contributors.
> 

Previously, i though that this Wiki was your personal journal
in the winding path of learning this platform.

If you are not updating it anymore, Why it is still included in the
Wikipedia?

I noticed that Ken Ray's Tips webpages are not included either...


Al
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 22 11:30:55 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:30:55 -0300
Subject: [Reference] Good information about Mac OS X command line tools
Message-ID: <AANLkTikL68aoOWazk6-FEn3TigsO26kVf5iMpG2_J5gH@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Sorry for the cross post but I think this interest both lists. Mr. Amit
Singh has this resource since 2003:

   http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx/tools.html

There are lots of good tools in there, they all come with Mac OS X.
Debugging rogue processess or server side stuff is easier once you know how
to use a couple tools presented here. Specially fs_usage and tcpdump.

andre



-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:37:56 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:37:56 +0300
Subject: GOOSE BUMPS
In-Reply-To: <1285169476651-2550532.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <603964.22113.qm@web45013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<142c31.4a6726d7.39ca6d7e@aol.com>	<4B7EDB53-F217-43D7-9DD5-423BFE3C24A0@verizon.net>	<1285157950283-2550170.post@n4.nabble.com>	<D8BFE29D-9392-4020-B024-D32E5FC744BD@numericable.com>	<1285159196494-2550202.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C9A1BF9.50805@gmail.com>
	<1285169476651-2550532.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4C9A22D4.2000900@gmail.com>

  On 09/22/2010 06:31 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>> Quite frankly that project "died a death" quite a few years ago when
>> there was insufficient uptake of editors and contributors.
>>
> Previously, i though that this Wiki was your personal journal
> in the winding path of learning this platform.

Cripes; my path was far more convoluted than that . . .  :)

> If you are not updating it anymore, Why it is still included in the
> Wikipedia?

Ask whoever it is who edits the Wikipedia page on "The IDE formerly 
known as 'RunRev' ".

> I noticed that Ken Ray's Tips webpages are not included either...
>
>
> Al



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 22 11:50:44 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:50:44 -0700
Subject: [Reference] Good information about Mac OS X command line tools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikL68aoOWazk6-FEn3TigsO26kVf5iMpG2_J5gH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikL68aoOWazk6-FEn3TigsO26kVf5iMpG2_J5gH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <193624705703.20100922085044@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:30:55 AM, you wrote:

> Folks,

> Sorry for the cross post but I think this interest both lists. Mr. Amit
> Singh has this resource since 2003:

>    http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx/tools.html

Great book. I picked up my hardcover copy at MacWorld Expo a few years
agao and consult my copy on a regular basis.

> There are lots of good tools in there, they all come with Mac OS X.
> Debugging rogue processess or server side stuff is easier once you know how
> to use a couple tools presented here. Specially fs_usage and tcpdump.

tcpdump is a good tool, but if you need to get serious about examining
network traffic you should try ngrep and/or WireShark.

http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/
http://www.wireshark.org/

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 22 11:52:23 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:52:23 -0700
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <33532.69456.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <171624804453.20100922085223@ahsoftware.net>

> DropBox is an application. You can signup here:
> http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTc4MTA2NDQ5
> By signing up to a referral link, we both gain 250mb additional
> space so it's a win-win situation. :)

Done!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 22 12:27:44 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:27:44 +0100
Subject: OT: general name for...
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9g_Vf7arHtocR5gbvsU8z6Tu8vP-XZ50sYb1D@mail.gmail.com>

What is the the general name for "handler" for scripting languages - not
that anything is going to be perfect, but apparently "handler" refers to
"Handler, an asynchronous
callback<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_%28computer_science%29>subroutine
in computing", so what term could be used to refer to functions,
command, methods, and handlers across scripting languages - code chunks?


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 22 12:30:37 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:30:37 -0700
Subject: What is the name of that function...
In-Reply-To: <7CE97793-9828-4148-93A8-69062022D79F@califex.com>
References: <51322961-FEA8-4C7D-85B5-9A9ECCEDE0D1@califex.com>
	<39300618843.20100918144921@ahsoftware.net>
	<F41132BC-8AD1-45ED-86D4-3A620E33EB05@califex.com>
	<30304357062.20100918155139@ahsoftware.net>
	<7CE97793-9828-4148-93A8-69062022D79F@califex.com>
Message-ID: <479F0455-B333-4AB3-BFDF-65A0ACD3F77E@twft.com>

Why, minus nine of course! 

Bob


On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:


On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:23:22 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Hmmmph! it's an OPERATOR not a function! And it doesn't work with negative numbers*!
> 
> mod is also an operator. And negative numbers? I wouldn't expect those
> to work - it work that way for word problems with either operator:
> 
> If Johnny owes nine dollars and gives five of those dollars he doesn't
> have to Fred, how many does he have left over?



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 22 12:31:26 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:31:26 -0300
Subject: OT: general name for...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9g_Vf7arHtocR5gbvsU8z6Tu8vP-XZ50sYb1D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin9g_Vf7arHtocR5gbvsU8z6Tu8vP-XZ50sYb1D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTintyGu9scJSeGtHOk5L8D7eOp1VomhbE9nsJ-SK@mail.gmail.com>

I tend to call everything handler... functions and commands I call handler
even if in LiveCode jargon a handler is not a function but just a command...
They are not methods or procedures...

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:27 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> What is the the general name for "handler" for scripting languages - not
> that anything is going to be perfect, but apparently "handler" refers to
> "Handler, an asynchronous
> callback<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_%28computer_science%29
> >subroutine
> in computing", so what term could be used to refer to functions,
> command, methods, and handlers across scripting languages - code chunks?
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 22 12:37:01 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:37:01 -0700
Subject: Installing 4.0 on OS X gets error 565.1994
In-Reply-To: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
References: <5F7A32B4-AFC1-4B2F-B8C8-1E41E7E45D86@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <695AAEEE-81B2-47E7-ABAD-7FEBD51E64C8@twft.com>

Hmmm... maybe permissions? Try installing under the root user account. Even before that, I would definitely check your hard drive for any directory errors before proceeding, and run Repair Permissions as well. Sounds like I'm a lowbie tech support guy reading from a script, but I would eliminate those things as possible causes first. 

Bob


On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I realize this is an obscure error and folks here might not know, and even Rev support thinks it unlikely for people here to know, but I'm running out of ideas.
> 
> I'm trying to install the current Revolution 4.0 on a simple OS X 10.4.11.  I tried both installers.  As soon as it gets to "Installing..." it jumps to "Cancelling...", spelled with two Ls.  It hangs.  I click cancel (an L drops out of the spelling of canceling) and I get error 565.1594.
> 
> I have several earlier versions installed as well as a couple versions of Rev Media.
> 
> I welcome any ideas on what I might try.
> 
> Dar
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 22 12:41:54 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:41:54 -0700
Subject: Showing Invisible Fields
In-Reply-To: <519206F4-A126-4182-9348-089665805730@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <20100920170003.9DB6D2883A1@mail.runrev.com>
	<519206F4-A126-4182-9348-089665805730@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <7D085E94-A349-4D35-BA75-E9BD5B472F9D@twft.com>

I would check to make sure you are passing the messages when you are done with them. Just guessing tho'.

Bob


On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I do intercept several messages in front scripts (mouseUp, menuPick come to mind).  I tried to relayer the field in the size and position tab of the property inspector but the arrows to manipulate the layer are greyed out and if I type in a new layer number and tab, I get a beep and the layer goes back to the original value.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> Oh just read your post more carefully. That is weird. I wonder if there is some message you are intercepting that is keeping the engine from showing everything. Just shooting in the dark here.
>> 
>> Bob
> 
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 12:44:43 2010
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:44:43 +0200
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,
It seems I have the same problem!
I use almost the same code as Joseph (asked earlier today) to print on
A4 paper. When I want a PDF preview on OSX everything is/looks fine.
When using the code  below and adding 'open printing to PDF'  about
1/4 of the printed text is cut off.
Is this a bug or are we doing something wrong?

---
open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
?set the printRotated to true
 set the printMargins to 72,36,72,36
set the printScale to 1.1
print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
close printing
---


greetings,

William


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 22 12:51:32 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:51:32 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character? 
In-Reply-To: <20100922150836.D1B10288B1B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100922150836.D1B10288B1B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5CD5966C-EA06-4974-971A-36F6A18F4101@sbcglobal.net>

Scott,

Here is a thought.

Try this:

Create two narrow fields. The first field consists of one line of text  
that wraps into two lines in the field. (Perhaps a bullet and you want  
to indent the wrapped portion of the line.)

Run this script:

on mouseUp
    put "" into field 2
    wait 10 tick --So you can see the changes
    put the htmltext of field 1 into tHTMLtext
    --Find out where the lines break using the formattedText
    put the formattedtext  of field 1 into tText
    --The first line is the beginning of the bullet
    --The second line is to be indented.
    put line 2 of tText  into tString
    put the offset(tString, tHTMLtext) into tNum
    --Create nonbreaking spaces
    --If you use breaking spaces they are ignored by HTML
    --at the start of a line.
    repeat 4 times --More or less
       put "&nbsp;" after temp
    end repeat
    put temp before char tNum in tHTMLtext
    set the htmltext of field 2 to tHTMLtext
end mouseUp

The second line (the wrapped line) will be indented by 4 nonbreaking  
spaces beyond the first line.

There may be problems if there is formatting in the wrapped line.

My apologies to and the other respondents to this thread. Sorry, I  
haven't been paying attention.

Jim Hurley



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 22 12:52:03 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:52:03 +0100
Subject: OT: general name for...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintyGu9scJSeGtHOk5L8D7eOp1VomhbE9nsJ-SK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin9g_Vf7arHtocR5gbvsU8z6Tu8vP-XZ50sYb1D@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTintyGu9scJSeGtHOk5L8D7eOp1VomhbE9nsJ-SK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLJgaeFeqBTH3p0gn9Sb4yneycVy3wSZqpXYt0@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good - then a function in Javascript would be a type of "handler"?

On 22 September 2010 17:31, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> I tend to call everything handler... functions and commands I call handler
> even if in LiveCode jargon a handler is not a function but just a
> command...
> They are not methods or procedures...
>


From wdurden at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 13:01:39 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:01:39 -0400
Subject: OT: general name for...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLJgaeFeqBTH3p0gn9Sb4yneycVy3wSZqpXYt0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin9g_Vf7arHtocR5gbvsU8z6Tu8vP-XZ50sYb1D@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTintyGu9scJSeGtHOk5L8D7eOp1VomhbE9nsJ-SK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinLJgaeFeqBTH3p0gn9Sb4yneycVy3wSZqpXYt0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=K10bQnWdm1wLehVuwxy0kNkHsT-rKH1v9nRg7@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think you would call a function in javascript a handler.  My feeling
is that there isn't a universally accepted term that would apply across all
the language types.  Code chunk or snippet is as generic as you would get
without getting strange looks.

Handler to me has connotations out of the xTalk languages because at the
time of Hypercard they didn't want to scare off potentially non programming
hypercarders.  At that time we were making the transition to event based
programming where events were trapped and "handled".

Wayne

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> Sounds good - then a function in Javascript would be a type of "handler"?
>
> On 22 September 2010 17:31, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
> > I tend to call everything handler... functions and commands I call
> handler
> > even if in LiveCode jargon a handler is not a function but just a
> > command...
> > They are not methods or procedures...
> >
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Sep 22 13:06:48 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:06:48 +0100
Subject: OT: general name for...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=K10bQnWdm1wLehVuwxy0kNkHsT-rKH1v9nRg7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin9g_Vf7arHtocR5gbvsU8z6Tu8vP-XZ50sYb1D@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTintyGu9scJSeGtHOk5L8D7eOp1VomhbE9nsJ-SK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinLJgaeFeqBTH3p0gn9Sb4yneycVy3wSZqpXYt0@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=K10bQnWdm1wLehVuwxy0kNkHsT-rKH1v9nRg7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxP-sV3934YS8Qq6E-3GVLLTDAxyi1TGHvpUOH@mail.gmail.com>

On 22 September 2010 18:01, wayne durden <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think you would call a function in javascript a handler.  My
> feeling
> is that there isn't a universally accepted term that would apply across all
> the language types.  Code chunk or snippet is as generic as you would get
> without getting strange looks.
>

I think I'll go with "handler" as I want it to refer to something that is
given a name in the language by the programmer, not an arbitrary text file
worth of code - that's a different level of chunking. Anyway I'm only naming
the database fields for now :)


From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep 22 13:14:38 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:14:38 +0200
Subject: OT: general name for...
In-Reply-To: <20100918235349.979232885BD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100918235349.979232885BD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C1ED98D7-9560-4E57-BB53-411BA2FCD0E6@derbrill.de>

Hi David,

AFAIK in procedural languages this would be a subroutine, in OOP languages a method

Now, in which category does liveCode fit? <g>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_%28computer_science%29

Cheers,

Malte

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 22 13:20:57 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:20:57 -0700
Subject: Invisible HTMLText Character? 
In-Reply-To: <5CD5966C-EA06-4974-971A-36F6A18F4101@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <C8BF8909.4CEFE%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hey Jim:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'm considering using multiple fields but am not
sure yet as bulleting needs to be able to applied and removed at will, plus
I have to support up to two levels of indenting.  But one item in your code
caught my eye: formattedText.  I've used all of the formatted... properties
before except this one.  Thanks for that!

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, James Hurley wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Here is a thought.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> Create two narrow fields. The first field consists of one line of text
> that wraps into two lines in the field. (Perhaps a bullet and you want
> to indent the wrapped portion of the line.)
> 
> Run this script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>     put "" into field 2
>     wait 10 tick --So you can see the changes
>     put the htmltext of field 1 into tHTMLtext
>     --Find out where the lines break using the formattedText
>     put the formattedtext  of field 1 into tText
>     --The first line is the beginning of the bullet
>     --The second line is to be indented.
>     put line 2 of tText  into tString
>     put the offset(tString, tHTMLtext) into tNum
>     --Create nonbreaking spaces
>     --If you use breaking spaces they are ignored by HTML
>     --at the start of a line.
>     repeat 4 times --More or less
>        put "&nbsp;" after temp
>     end repeat
>     put temp before char tNum in tHTMLtext
>     set the htmltext of field 2 to tHTMLtext
> end mouseUp
> 
> The second line (the wrapped line) will be indented by 4 nonbreaking
> spaces beyond the first line.
> 
> There may be problems if there is formatting in the wrapped line.
> 
> My apologies to and the other respondents to this thread. Sorry, I
> haven't been paying attention.
> 
> Jim Hurley




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 13:42:33 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:42:33 -0500
Subject: Where does revMobile go?
In-Reply-To: <FEE0CFC0-CD27-48AB-A299-08615DFAE5D3@de-mare.nl>
References: <20100922014240.CAC56288522@mail.runrev.com>
	<FEE0CFC0-CD27-48AB-A299-08615DFAE5D3@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <4C9A4009.9080809@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 5:04 AM, Terry Vogelaar wrote:
> But shouldn't it be included? I mean, in the new approach it is one of
> the distribution methods, just like Mac, Windows, Unix and Web. So I
> actually expected to find it in the Standalone application settings as
> one of the tabs. And let the license prevent or enable me to use it...
>
> Or am I thinking too far ahead now?

RevMobile is implemented as a plugin. The plugin is basically just a 
bridge that connects with Apple's simulator app and loads your stack 
into the simulator. RR may decide to implement it differently in the 
future I suppose, but for now that's how it works. So yeah, maybe you're 
thinking too far ahead. :)

-- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 13:44:11 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:44:11 -0500
Subject: Updating from Revolution 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5
In-Reply-To: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>
References: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4C9A406B.6080504@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 7:52 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>
> I had a few months spare in my Run-Rev 4 licence,
> so I downloaded LiveCode 4.5.0 (Happy Bunny !).
>
> In order to ensure that LiveCode is called when I
> double-click on a Revolution stack, I now have to
> delete my folder Revolution Studio (or something of
> that ilk).
>
> But the folder contains a multitude of files, and
> the LiveCode application is but one file.
>
> Before doing something stupid, how do I proceed ?
>
> Do I simply delete the Revolution.app in the Revolution
> Studio 4.0 folder, and replace it by the new LiveCode
> 4.5.app ?
>
> ..... Or is it just a tad more complicated ?

You don't need to move anything. The files that used to be in the Rev 
folder are now inside the LiveCode application bundle. You can delete or 
zip the old Rev folder, those files aren't needed for LiveCode.

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 13:46:36 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:46:36 -0500
Subject: [revMobile] Horizontal Orientation
In-Reply-To: <8F81E6D1-CA8E-46DB-928C-B7DDC8595186@mac.com>
References: <8F81E6D1-CA8E-46DB-928C-B7DDC8595186@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4C9A40FC.1060409@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 9:23 AM, Randy Hengst wrote:

> However, I've been trying to develop a second app in the horizontal
> orientation.... not one that can be rotated, just one to work only in
> horizontal. For that I tried using info from the alpha handbook....
...
> I placed the command in the preopenstack handler... to no avail.

I had the same problem, and there isn't a solution right now. The team 
knows about it and I read somewhere that they will implement a fix for 
it so that you can start up the app in horizontal orientation.

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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 13:47:44 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:47:44 -0700
Subject: Derek Bump
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQrApNxz9UQ0wXNAtQh84YLRdc=tbM27U_dmK_@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone heard from Derek Bump since he offered his JPEG product source
for sale a few months ago? His Dreamscapesoftware.com site is still up, but
his emails (including the support emails on his site) all bounce.

I was trying to get a link for his HTMLtoCSS stack, which I think someone
was asking about here. I send it directly if someone needs it.

sqb

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San Francisco Ca. USA

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 13:52:01 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:52:01 -0500
Subject: Web, Mobile and Server documentation
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D86@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D86@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4C9A4241.1070301@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 10:11 AM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> Since I have this license, I was wondering where's the documentation on
> how to use and build the Web, the Mobile and Server features?
> I've looked thru the User Guide and haven't found any reference to these
> features.

Each one has its own documentation that ships with the product. Once you 
install each of them, the docs will be in the main installation folder.

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 13:55:41 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:55:41 -0500
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9A431D.7000201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 11:44 AM, William de Smet wrote:
> Hi there,
> It seems I have the same problem!
> I use almost the same code as Joseph (asked earlier today) to print on
> A4 paper. When I want a PDF preview on OSX everything is/looks fine.
> When using the code  below and adding 'open printing to PDF'  about
> 1/4 of the printed text is cut off.
> Is this a bug or are we doing something wrong?
>
> ---
> open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
>   set the printRotated to true
>   set the printMargins to 72,36,72,36
> set the printScale to 1.1
> print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
> close printing
> ---

One thing I just found out is that PDF printing will cut off text and 
ruin the layout if you have formatForPrinting set to true on Windows. It 
is the one time you do not want to use that property for printing text.

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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 22 13:56:49 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:56:49 -0300
Subject: OT: general name for...
In-Reply-To: <C1ED98D7-9560-4E57-BB53-411BA2FCD0E6@derbrill.de>
References: <20100918235349.979232885BD@mail.runrev.com>
	<C1ED98D7-9560-4E57-BB53-411BA2FCD0E6@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOtsq6jvx=H=b=ynfX2gFF40AC8-MYXHZonnjG@mail.gmail.com>

LiveCode does not fit OOP paradigm, it is almost procedural and imperative
but it is not due to the message path.

I think we should call our "subroutines": definitions, it is a generic
enough term and it has good semantics, it means something we applied a name
for. So a handler, a function and a commmand are just that definitions.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill
<revolution at derbrill.de>wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> AFAIK in procedural languages this would be a subroutine, in OOP languages
> a method
>
> Now, in which category does liveCode fit? <g>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_%28computer_science%29
>
> Cheers,
>
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 14:05:42 2010
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:05:42 +0200
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <4C9A431D.7000201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9A431D.7000201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimMsOA+UaOp36xYU4jEOoDi7Rmrbg5reQ5u=sGq@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

Thanks for your reaction.
I just tested with an image and the same thing happens.
I never set formatForPrinting.

Anyone else?


groeten,
William



2010/9/22 J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:
> On 9/22/10 11:44 AM, William de Smet wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>> It seems I have the same problem!
>> I use almost the same code as Joseph (asked earlier today) to print on
>> A4 paper. When I want a PDF preview on OSX everything is/looks fine.
>> When using the code ?below and adding 'open printing to PDF' ?about
>> 1/4 of the printed text is cut off.
>> Is this a bug or are we doing something wrong?
>>
>> ---
>> open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
>> ?set the printRotated to true
>> ?set the printMargins to 72,36,72,36
>> set the printScale to 1.1
>> print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
>> close printing
>> ---
>
> One thing I just found out is that PDF printing will cut off text and ruin
> the layout if you have formatForPrinting set to true on Windows. It is the
> one time you do not want to use that property for printing text.
>
> --
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> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From alex at a2technology.com  Wed Sep 22 14:24:47 2010
From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:24:47 -0700
Subject: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
 LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <256775.37775.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C8BF97FF.1D180%alex@a2technology.com>

Jan,

Thank you for the explanation.  I have implemented as you have suggested and
it finally works.  I think there were several conflicting directives
colliding with one another.  Now I am just declaring the location in the
stackFiles and I had to adjust the start using command to not include the
.rev.
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> From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Still: Where do I put libUUID.rev and qrtReportsLIb.rev in
> LiveCode?
> 
> Hi ALex,
> 
> You really shouldn't make the libraries substacks of your own stack, merely
> add a reference to them in the stackfiles, as I explained.
> Once you've done that, the standalone builder will automatically copy it to
> the standalone folder at build time.
> 
> qrtReportsLib.rev includes substacks of its own, and therefore cannot become a
> substack of your mainstack.
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La
> Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Alex Adams <alex at a2technology.com> wrote:
>> Jan,
>> 
>> I tried what you suggested, but it still didn't work.?
>> I tried reassigning
>> the mainstack of qtrReportLib to my main stack like
>> Jacqueline recommended.
>> That worked great with libUUID, but not with yours.?
>> Is it protected against
>> such a thing?
>> 
>> The only thing that has worked with qtrReportLib is to put
>> a full path name
>> into the start using stack statement.
>> 
>> start using stack
>> "/LiveCodeUserExtensions/qtrReportsLib.rev"
>> 
>> Nothing short of this has worked.? I'm concerned about
>> what will happen when
>> the standalones are built.? Will I still need this
>> stack installed on the
>> user's computer in the expected directory?
>> -- 
>> Alex Adams
>> 
> 
> 
>      
> 
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 14:26:54 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimMsOA+UaOp36xYU4jEOoDi7Rmrbg5reQ5u=sGq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9A431D.7000201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTimMsOA+UaOp36xYU4jEOoDi7Rmrbg5reQ5u=sGq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285180014070-2550844.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi folks,

My tests...

put "595,842" into thePaperSize
put "20" into theMargin

-- get the page area:
set the printMargins to theMargin,theMargin,theMargin,theMargin
put theMargin,theMargin, item 1 of thePaperSize - theMargin, item 2 of
thePaperSize - theMargin into destinationRect
-- print into that rectangle:
open printing to pdf "/Users/joss/Desktop/card_test.pdf"
print this card into destinationRect
close printing

With "20" into the margin is the best aproximation, some graphics inside are
a little small, so I print for a card game, and I need that the card have
the exact size. If I down the margin I get the real size but the bottom is
cutted.

Any idea?

Salut,
Josep
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Sep 22 15:04:56 2010
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Updating from Revolution 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5
In-Reply-To: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>
References: <357DC253-1913-4CFF-84A7-387357BECDB5@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1285182296202-2550908.post@n4.nabble.com>


Francis,
on MacOSX you could probably open the info of one .rev file with command & I
in the finder and choose the program you want to open this file type,
probably livecode.app and choose to open all files of this type of file with
livecode.app.
regards
Bernd
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From WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu  Wed Sep 22 15:14:44 2010
From: WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu (Sumner, Walt)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:14:44 -0500
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
Message-ID: <C8BFBFD4.1B230%wsumner@dom.wustl.edu>

Thanks for the lead on screen scrapes, but the problem is there is nothing
to scrape. The "put URL(...)" and "revBrowserGet(tBrowserId,"htmltext")"
return the html, but not all of the text that is displayed on the page.

In fact, if I use Word's merge documents tool to compare the html from pages
2, 9, and 256 of the petition, there is NO DIFFERENCE in the files. The
petition signatures and comments are embedded in a petition widget, I think,
which I suppose is some javascript applet. Whatever it is, the html
definitely does not contain the petition text that I want to evaluate.

Nevertheless it is trivial to manually select and copy all of the text on
the page. Once it is copied it is easy to automatically paste it, scrape it
(that code works fine), and store data using LiveCode, but I do not see a
way to select and copy text from this widget using LiveCode.

> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:23:17, stephen barncard wrote:
> Why bother with revBrowser at all?  Just  do this in the message box:
> 
> put URL(http://website.com/page.html)
> 
>  and this will put the website html into the message box output. Obviously
> you could do this with fields.
> 
> Check out Jerry's videos on Screen Scraping:
> 
> http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-1
> http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-0
> 
> 
> On 21 September 2010 22:16, Sumner, Walt <WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu> wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to recover text from this web page and all of its siblings:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-avail
>> able/#sigs/691732733/user/1
>> 
>> The interesting part of the page is the comments, which do not appear in
>> the HTML, but which can be copied manually. I can open this page in a
>> browser in LiveCode. With manual mouse motions, I can double click a block
>> of text, choose "Select All" from the "Edit" menu, choose "Copy" from the
>> "Edit" menu, and then paste into a field where the comments all appear and
>> are easy to disassemble.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the revbrowser set command and get function do not do
>> anything comparable AFAICT. The "Select All" choice is not implemented in
>> the DoMenu command. I think that printing a pdf is also out. So, any
>> thoughts on how to automate this part of a petition review? For instance,
>> maybe there is a simple way to save the text to a file with the
>> revBrowserExecuteScript function (using JavaScript for Safari)?
>> 
>> BTW, the browser is fully capable of crashing LiveCode on at least some OSX
>> machines. Please don't lose any work for me.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 15:15:47 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:15:47 -0700
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
In-Reply-To: <C8BFBFD4.1B230%wsumner@dom.wustl.edu>
References: <C8BFBFD4.1B230%wsumner@dom.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim5Ag0gnxSSYhhBCgfwxqP-ioqQJFK1OxS11MiR@mail.gmail.com>

perhaps there's an iFrame  or include in the html that references another
page --

On 22 September 2010 12:14, Sumner, Walt <WSUMNER at dom.wustl.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the lead on screen scrapes, but the problem is there is nothing
> to scrape. The "put URL(...)" and "revBrowserGet(tBrowserId,"htmltext")"
> return the html, but not all of the text that is displayed on the page.
>


Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

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From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 15:16:26 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <1285180014070-2550844.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9A431D.7000201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTimMsOA+UaOp36xYU4jEOoDi7Rmrbg5reQ5u=sGq@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285180014070-2550844.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1285182986282-2550927.post@n4.nabble.com>


Now I see that in relation to the width and height of the stack the PDF
change the width and the height... :(
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From marty at ucls.uchicago.edu  Wed Sep 22 16:01:13 2010
From: marty at ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:01:13 -0500
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <20100921210651.AD1A72889E3@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100921210651.AD1A72889E3@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B9BE4437-4D52-4348-B384-837F3111BB31@ucls.uchicago.edu>

Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>  On 09/21/2010 10:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> Have all your copies of revMedia stopped working? Is it not still  
>> possible to let kids use it for free? There may be some future need  
>> that requires having an updated version, but for now revMedia is as  
>> good as it was two days ago.
>>
>
> This is an extremely valid point.
>
> BUT; where do we point those kids to when they want to have a copy of
> RevMedia on their PC at home?

Not to mention putting in effort to create curriculum centered around  
a free platform that won't be free any more.

I know that Rev has said that it will give LiveCode to schools that  
request it, but that's still a barrier to use.  I was very excited  
when revMedia came out; not because my school can't afford revStudio  
-- it can -- but because other schools would be able to start using  
Rev, or at least trying it out.  Not so excited any more....

   - marty

--
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Department of Computer Science
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Sep 22 16:06:13 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:06:13 +0100
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <20100922150836.EA39C288B23@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEIACJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Thank you all for the tributes.

The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/

However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
download links for any products. To get a download (many different options;
choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk outside
the LiveCode environment.

The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I would
encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been fantasic.
We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale if
you wish as well.

The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010 as
AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has been
requested to improve.

Hugh Senior
FLCo


AndyP wrote:

 > On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
 >> Scripter's Scrapebook link: http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm
 >
 > Thanks Thomas,
 >
 > Well what can I say. I've just downloaded the trial version and
 > well...job done!
 >
 > The last update to the app was June 24 2010 so far from dead.
 >
 > Very impressive product, made with Rev. We should all be supporting
 > this great product. I will be!

Richard Gaskin wrote:
Few dev tools have the feature-completeness of Scripter's Scrapbook.
Just when you think you've seen everything it offers, you'll stumble
across some other affordance he's included and find yourself saying,
"Wow, he thought of that too!"

Hugh took the time to draft a brief article about it for LiveCode
Journal (formerly RevJournal):

<http://www.livecodejournal.com/features/scripters-scrapbook.html>

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From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Wed Sep 22 16:06:36 2010
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:06:36 -0700
Subject: Web, Mobile and Server documentation
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D94@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

on Wed Sep 22 12:52:01 CDT 2010, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
Each one has its own documentation that ships with the product. Once you

install each of them, the docs will be in the main installation folder.
<<

I looked around the RunRev\Documentation folders and the only pdf file I
see is the LiveCode Users Guide, no others.
So unless I'm misunderstanding what the Store web page is saying about
what the "Complete" license says I'm supposed to have, I'm missing
documentation.

Oh, and if I'm to login to RunRev and download more "modules", then how
is that done? Didn't see it.

Just trying to make sense of all this.

Regards,
Mark Stuart


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 16:15:48 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:15:48 +0300
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <B9BE4437-4D52-4348-B384-837F3111BB31@ucls.uchicago.edu>
References: <20100921210651.AD1A72889E3@mail.runrev.com>
	<B9BE4437-4D52-4348-B384-837F3111BB31@ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <4C9A63F4.7070700@gmail.com>

  On 09/22/2010 11:01 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:
> Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  On 09/21/2010 10:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>> Have all your copies of revMedia stopped working? Is it not still 
>>> possible to let kids use it for free? There may be some future need 
>>> that requires having an updated version, but for now revMedia is as 
>>> good as it was two days ago.
>>>
>>
>> This is an extremely valid point.
>>
>> BUT; where do we point those kids to when they want to have a copy of
>> RevMedia on their PC at home?
>
> Not to mention putting in effort to create curriculum centered around 
> a free platform that won't be free any more.
>

I have taught a Summer "course" in my language school (18 kids) every 
year for the last 5 years
using RunRev on Linux. With the advent of RevMedia free it was suddenly 
something so much
bigger than kids trying to get to grips with programming for 90 minutes 
twice a week as they were
able to run home with their projects on flash drives; download RevMedia 
(usually for Windows) and carry
on working; come back to school; show me with great pride that they had 
spent the time they usually
wasted on watching cartoons on something of lasting value, and so on.

But, hey, we have all heard RunRev's protestations about their interest 
in investing in Education
over the years, and it has been 'patchy'. The 10-line restricted code 
model went by the wayside, then
last year we all got excited about RevMedia, and here we are again.

But if one thinks of the following 'mantra' ALL will be revealed:

Runtime Revolution, Dreamcard, Enterprise, RevMedia, Studio, LiveCard . . .

it helps if one visualises a sinusoidal curve at the same time . . .  
:)  Sorry, no seasickness
pills allowed.

> I know that Rev has said that it will give LiveCode to schools that 
> request it, but that's still a barrier to use.  I was very excited 
> when revMedia came out; not because my school can't afford revStudio 
> -- it can -- but because other schools would be able to start using 
> Rev, or at least trying it out.  Not so excited any more....
>
>   - marty
>
> -- 
> Marty Billingsley
> Department of Computer Science
> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 16:20:56 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:20:56 -0700
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEIACJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <20100922150836.EA39C288B23@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEIACJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=1hazQfQfc569doqAQ8uX-YhuOppvD6ADu_em=@mail.gmail.com>

Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with Dropbox
(thanks Andre).

But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored, so I
can share that file using Dropbox.

I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.

Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?


On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> Thank you all for the tributes.
>
> The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
> http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
>
> However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> download links for any products. To get a download (many different options;
> choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk outside
> the LiveCode environment.
>
> The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I would
> encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been fantasic.
> We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale if
> you wish as well.
>
> The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010 as
> AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has been
> requested to improve.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Wed Sep 22 16:35:21 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:35:21 -0400
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=1hazQfQfc569doqAQ8uX-YhuOppvD6ADu_em=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100922150836.EA39C288B23@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEIACJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<AANLkTi=1hazQfQfc569doqAQ8uX-YhuOppvD6ADu_em=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=AN6xU+grRjoE=5kMORVMHU3u3fkeW=SnwL7p7@mail.gmail.com>

I've been running into a similar problem with dropbox. I'd like to
have my Valentina databases there and I can't figure out a way to
configure the vServer to allow that.

Drop box sure is an excellent solution for back-ups and use with more
than one machine. I only worry about the company disappearing or
starting to charge for small uses or something.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
> data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with Dropbox
> (thanks Andre).
>
> But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored, so I
> can share that file using Dropbox.
>
> I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
> stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.
>
> Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?
>
>
> On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the tributes.
>>
>> The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
>> http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
>>
>> However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
>> download links for any products. To get a download (many different options;
>> choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
>> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
>> include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
>> download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk outside
>> the LiveCode environment.
>>
>> The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I would
>> encourage you to take ?2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
>> least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
>> number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
>> addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been fantasic.
>> We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale if
>> you wish as well.
>>
>> The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010 as
>> AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has been
>> requested to improve.
>>
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>>
>>
>
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb ?<http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 22 16:55:32 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:55:32 -0700
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=AN6xU+grRjoE=5kMORVMHU3u3fkeW=SnwL7p7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100922150836.EA39C288B23@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEIACJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<AANLkTi=1hazQfQfc569doqAQ8uX-YhuOppvD6ADu_em=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=AN6xU+grRjoE=5kMORVMHU3u3fkeW=SnwL7p7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=--QJxT7+ovrJDELYW25h+T8VGJf_hGyADpH9G@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure the web server component is needed most of the time if all of
one's machines are on the same LAN. The local files on local machines seem
to get reconciled way before the web version. very fast.

On 22 September 2010 13:35, william humphrey <bill at bluewatermaritime.com>wrote:

> I've been running into a similar problem with dropbox. I'd like to
> have my Valentina databases there and I can't figure out a way to
> configure the vServer to allow that.
>
> Drop box sure is an excellent solution for back-ups and use with more
> than one machine. I only worry about the company disappearing or
> starting to charge for small uses or something.
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM, stephen barncard
> <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> > Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
> > data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with
> Dropbox
> > (thanks Andre).
> >
> > But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored,
> so I
> > can share that file using Dropbox.
> >
> > I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
> > stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.
> >
> > Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?
> >
> >
> > On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you all for the tributes.
> >>
> >> The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev
> MarketPlace:
> >> http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
> >>
> >> However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> >> download links for any products. To get a download (many different
> options;
> >> choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> >> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> >> include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> >> download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk
> outside
> >> the LiveCode environment.
> >>
> >> The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I
> would
> >> encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> >> least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> >> number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> >> addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been
> fantasic.
> >> We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale
> if
> >> you wish as well.
> >>
> >> The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010
> as
> >> AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has
> been
> >> requested to improve.
> >>
> >> Hugh Senior
> >> FLCo
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Stephen Barncard
> > San Francisco Ca. USA
> >
> > more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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> >
>
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Sep 22 17:39:45 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:39:45 -0700
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <B9BE4437-4D52-4348-B384-837F3111BB31@ucls.uchicago.edu>
References: <20100921210651.AD1A72889E3@mail.runrev.com>
	<B9BE4437-4D52-4348-B384-837F3111BB31@ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <AFBCB739-4DA0-4213-BCE5-A4782EDDF1AF@twft.com>

Well In America schools have a ton of money. I know cause it used to be my money! Seriously, at least in California, more money is spent per student than almost anywhere else in the world! I say LET THEM EAT CAKE!.... errr.... LET THEM BUY LiveCode!

Bob


On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:

> Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 09/21/2010 10:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>> Have all your copies of revMedia stopped working? Is it not still possible to let kids use it for free? There may be some future need that requires having an updated version, but for now revMedia is as good as it was two days ago.
>>> 
>> 
>> This is an extremely valid point.
>> 
>> BUT; where do we point those kids to when they want to have a copy of
>> RevMedia on their PC at home?
> 
> Not to mention putting in effort to create curriculum centered around a free platform that won't be free any more.
> 
> I know that Rev has said that it will give LiveCode to schools that request it, but that's still a barrier to use.  I was very excited when revMedia came out; not because my school can't afford revStudio -- it can -- but because other schools would be able to start using Rev, or at least trying it out.  Not so excited any more....
> 
>  - marty
> 
> --
> Marty Billingsley
> Department of Computer Science
> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 22 18:14:18 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:14:18 -0500
Subject: Web, Mobile and Server documentation
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D94@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2D94@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4C9A7FBA.1080704@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 3:06 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> I looked around the RunRev\Documentation folders and the only pdf file I
> see is the LiveCode Users Guide, no others.
> So unless I'm misunderstanding what the Store web page is saying about
> what the "Complete" license says I'm supposed to have, I'm missing
> documentation.
>
> Oh, and if I'm to login to RunRev and download more "modules", then how
> is that done? Didn't see it.

You may need to write to support and ask Heather since I'm not sure yet 
how it works. But the site says you should log into your account and 
there will be download links there for the products you have purchased. 
Go to the web site, click the Store link at the top of the page, and log 
in with the email and password that was sent to you in email in the last 
couple of days. If you didn't get an email, then click the "forgot 
password" link and have it sent to you. Once you are in your store 
account you should see the products you purchased and be able to 
download them.

But check your hard drive first to see if you have more than just the 
desktop apps. Each product may be in its own folder, or have its own 
installer. I'm not sure how it works right now, I got my files before 
the new store activated.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 18:24:43 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <1285182986282-2550927.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9A431D.7000201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTimMsOA+UaOp36xYU4jEOoDi7Rmrbg5reQ5u=sGq@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285180014070-2550844.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1285182986282-2550927.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1285194283841-2551168.post@n4.nabble.com>


Any help? :)
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From rman at free.fr  Wed Sep 22 20:43:07 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <AFBCB739-4DA0-4213-BCE5-A4782EDDF1AF@twft.com>
References: <00C1505F-9CD1-4513-B7E6-B7263032F87A@uqam.ca>
	<B9BE4437-4D52-4348-B384-837F3111BB31@ucls.uchicago.edu>
	<AFBCB739-4DA0-4213-BCE5-A4782EDDF1AF@twft.com>
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Hi I guess though the issue raised was more regardingf KIDs that were able to
download revMedia and keep going at home than schools buying stuff for the
classroom..

Ayways, I guess there are other options for kids like Scratch and Squeak
that may be more suited, because what I guess is the main advantage of
liveCode is the ability to code for several platforms (with reserves,
beacause it does not always go so smoothly as just pressing the button..)
and this is of no interest for kids but it is for developpers.

And Scratch and Squeak is very stable since quite a while...


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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep 22 20:54:10 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:54:10 +1000
Subject: LiveCode in K-6 school environment
Message-ID: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi

I'm about to start doing a day a week at my kids school to help them with their ICT program and I'm interested to hear the experiences of anyone using LiveCode in that environment. I'm thinking in terms of:
 - providing tools for teachers. 
 - eLearning for young kids. 
 - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds). 
 - providing tools for parents or school/parent communication

Cheers

--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Sep 22 21:03:06 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:03:06 -0600
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E3438F7-21B4-4C71-9BAC-E984DE5B8B1D@swcp.com>

I set parameters for the entire print batch before "open printing to  
pdf".  Am I doing that wrong?

Try setting up for A4:
    set the printPaperSize to "595,842"

Try printPaperOrientation instead of printRotated.

If those don't work, try putting margins and printscale before the  
batch.

I'm guessing.  Mine works but I'm not using landscape.  And I use  
full-page printing.

Dar Scott


On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:44 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi there,
> It seems I have the same problem!
> I use almost the same code as Joseph (asked earlier today) to print on
> A4 paper. When I want a PDF preview on OSX everything is/looks fine.
> When using the code  below and adding 'open printing to PDF'  about
> 1/4 of the printed text is cut off.
> Is this a bug or are we doing something wrong?
>
> ---
> open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
>  set the printRotated to true
>  set the printMargins to 72,36,72,36
> set the printScale to 1.1
> print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
> close printing
> ---
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 21:45:26 2010
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:45:26 -0500
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim5Ag0gnxSSYhhBCgfwxqP-ioqQJFK1OxS11MiR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8BFBFD4.1B230%wsumner@dom.wustl.edu>
	<AANLkTim5Ag0gnxSSYhhBCgfwxqP-ioqQJFK1OxS11MiR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinobnnsiaDV=YTiLqJut2-rA8fEHF48Z6c0YVfN@mail.gmail.com>

> perhaps there's an iFrame ?or include in the html that references another
> page --
>

There is definitely an iFrame involved and they have it pointing to
some sort of PHP "servlet" hosted from an entirely different domain.
Doesn't look to be much you can do with that combination.

Best regards,
David C.


From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Sep 22 22:17:58 2010
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:17:58 -0500
Subject: [revMobile] Horizontal Orientation
In-Reply-To: <4C9A40FC.1060409@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8F81E6D1-CA8E-46DB-928C-B7DDC8595186@mac.com>
	<4C9A40FC.1060409@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F4D538DD-5422-4063-A049-BB6A1BD2472D@mac.com>

Hi Jacque,

Thanks for that information. I'll look forward to the addition.

take care,
randy
-----
On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/22/10 9:23 AM, Randy Hengst wrote:
> 
>> However, I've been trying to develop a second app in the horizontal
>> orientation.... not one that can be rotated, just one to work only in
>> horizontal. For that I tried using info from the alpha handbook....
> ...
>> I placed the command in the preopenstack handler... to no avail.
> 
> I had the same problem, and there isn't a solution right now. The team knows about it and I read somewhere that they will implement a fix for it so that you can start up the app in horizontal orientation.
> 
> -- 
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 22 23:37:12 2010
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:37:12 -0700
Subject: How to recover text from a web page
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinobnnsiaDV=YTiLqJut2-rA8fEHF48Z6c0YVfN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8BFBFD4.1B230%wsumner@dom.wustl.edu>
	<AANLkTim5Ag0gnxSSYhhBCgfwxqP-ioqQJFK1OxS11MiR@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinobnnsiaDV=YTiLqJut2-rA8fEHF48Z6c0YVfN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32F7F657-059F-4185-A8EE-2641AB33E4BE@yahoo.com>

Try using the url of the iframe. This will get that HTML only, but  
that could be all you need.

  Most sites will work easily, but some have a security variable that  
is sent along to the iframe url
that signals 'intended use'.


The include should simply add the text of another file to the current  
file, effectively inserting that text at the location of the include.   
The result should be that you will get the HTML without any other steps.


On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:45 PM, David C. wrote:

>> perhaps there's an iFrame  or include in the html that references  
>> another
>> page --
>>
>
> There is definitely an iFrame involved and they have it pointing to
> some sort of PHP "servlet" hosted from an entirely different domain.
> Doesn't look to be much you can do with that combination.
>

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Sep 23 00:09:12 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:09:12 -0600
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>

William,

I tried this:

on mouseUp
    reset printing
    set the printPaperSize to 595,842
    set the printPaperOrientation to "landscape"
    set the printmargins to 72,36,0,0
    set the printscale to 1.1
    open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
    -- add  error check here
    print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
    -- add error check here
    close printing
end mouseUp

And I get the right part of my images, rectangles and fields cut  
off.  It cuts off at the unrotated paper width.

It looks like it scaled right, but it has the cutoff.

I tried setting the rotated paper size after setting orientation, but  
it is the same.  I think with some other fiddling, parts showed up  
but not all.

I'm not an expert at all the printing parameters, but it seems to me  
you are right.  It seems there is a bug.  Maybe somebody with more  
printing experience can say.

Dar Scott



On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:44 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi there,
> It seems I have the same problem!
> I use almost the same code as Joseph (asked earlier today) to print on
> A4 paper. When I want a PDF preview on OSX everything is/looks fine.
> When using the code  below and adding 'open printing to PDF'  about
> 1/4 of the printed text is cut off.
> Is this a bug or are we doing something wrong?
>
> ---
> open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
>  set the printRotated to true
>  set the printMargins to 72,36,72,36
> set the printScale to 1.1
> print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
> close printing
> ---
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep 23 01:14:17 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:14:17 -0700
Subject: Print Dialog Only Opens Once?
Message-ID: <C8C03039.A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Back with more print questions...

After scripting "answer printer" on WindowsXP, I get the appropriate system
print dialog, which I've followed with "answer the result" and then I exit
to top, as I'm only checking results.  Once this routine has run, I can't
open the printer dialog anymore with restarting (Rev 4).  When "answer
printer" is called, the result is "unable to open dialog".

I've tried setting the printerSettings to empty before calling "answer
printer", but no change.

Anything else I can do here?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Sep 23 02:58:41 2010
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:58:41 -0700
Subject: LiveCode in K-6 school environment
In-Reply-To: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Monte,
<snip>
> - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds). 

It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a challenging group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year olds and my experience teaching them HyperCard (and last year, revMedia) is that (no matter how hard I wish it to be different) very few are developmentally ready to program.  A simple PowerPoint type interface and/or templates that they can customize is more appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9 year olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching but my experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at a few RevCons) was that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able to think at that level of abstraction...  On the other hand, it hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to scripting in order to see who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you end up doing.  I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of your skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------


On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm about to start doing a day a week at my kids school to help them with their ICT program and I'm interested to hear the experiences of anyone using LiveCode in that environment. I'm thinking in terms of:
> - providing tools for teachers. 
> - eLearning for young kids. 
> - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds). 
> - providing tools for parents or school/parent communication
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> 
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep 23 03:35:06 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:35:06 +1000
Subject: LiveCode in K-6 school environment
In-Reply-To: <94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>
	<94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D7AEF7F8-9330-488B-A9AF-E035A24D89DA@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Scott
> 
> It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a challenging group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year olds and my experience teaching them HyperCard (and last year, revMedia) is that (no matter how hard I wish it to be different) very few are developmentally ready to program.  

Yeah, that's what I was thinking but I didn't want to assume anything given my 4 year old is a wiz on the iPad ;-). The oldest kids will be about 12 I think.

> A simple PowerPoint type interface and/or templates that they can customize is more appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9 year olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching but my experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at a few RevCons) was that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able to think at that level of abstraction...  

OK, I might tell them it's best if it's only year 6 and small groups of keen kids.

> On the other hand, it hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to scripting in order to see who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you end up doing.  I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of your skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.


Ah, now you've got me blushing ;-)

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 04:41:05 2010
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:41:05 +0900
Subject: [revMobile] black screen [was [revMobile] Horizontal Orientation]
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Z8vqpwcKFtGV00Q=0j=PVG2VK-R5_O_WfMuZP@mail.gmail.com>

> ... and except for an occasional screen going black issue

I wrote about this RevMobile problem on the ImproveRevolution list but
got not response, but am kind of relieved to hear from Randy Hengst
that it's not just my setup that's experiencing this.

Anyonelse getting a black screen with RevMobile apps? And, is it safe
to just relax about this for now, knowing that LiveCode will get to
this soon?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Sep 23 05:07:27 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:07:27 +0200
Subject: Colors in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
References: <95D74436-D066-484A-9A86-1B788A41C918@numericable.com>	<F2EE580D-EE6D-4EC0-AD29-6DED4A133CF8@mangomultimedia.com>	<2A6587F3-F113-4D0D-97D3-6D716D675734@numericable.com>	<64FC0523-4660-4D70-9117-6DCDC240BDAD@economy-x-talk.com>	<187837D5-5E6E-4C6C-AEB4-E13B0739340F@numericable.com>	<130ABB3D-B77A-4CE8-81F6-7F80E89320C0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E91578B-32B3-49FA-9C8D-24EB13AEBAE1@numericable.com>
	<4C988A6B.6010500@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <630F6B57-7C75-4084-8C5D-A81845AD4BB1@numericable.com>

Hello (again) !
Mac OS X 10.6.4
I have a stack background color (RVB = 198,198,198)
I control it with "colorim?tre num?rique" Apple version 3.7.2 = 198,198,198
I snapshot it : cmd+shift+4
I control the result on finder with "colorim?tre num?rique" = 198,198,198
I import it with menu File/Import as control/Image file...
the image appears over the background : it is darker
After control with "colorim?tre num?rique" = 186,186,186
Why ?
Ren?

Le 21 sept. 2010 ? 12:35, Ben Rubinstein a ?crit :

> On 21/09/2010 10:33, Ren? Micout wrote:
>> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon LiveCode) is the same thing ...
> 
> This is the problem when fixing a bug... sometimes that means breaking stacks that were adapted to work with the previous behaviour.  But for me this is a massive upgrade because now Rev/LiveCode can read CYMK images.  So while I accept some eggs have been broken, I'm enjoying the delicious omelette!
> 
> Ben
> 
> (who's not sure whether that the egg/omelette phrase is only in English...)
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Sep 23 05:34:58 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:34:58 +0100
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <20100923004254.BA16328829B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEICCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Your Entries are stored in the stack data file (initially called ssBk.rev in
the download). If you have more than one Scrapbook, it will also be a stack
data file.

I have not used Dropbox so it would be good to know that a 'roaming'
solution for ssBk is easily available.

Hugh Senior
FLCo


stephen barncard asked...

Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with Dropbox
(thanks Andre).

But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored, so I
can share that file using Dropbox.

I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.

Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?


On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning
<admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> Thank you all for the tributes.
>
> The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
> http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
>
> However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> download links for any products. To get a download (many different
options;
> choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk
outside
> the LiveCode environment.
>
> The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I would
> encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been fantasic.
> We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale
if
> you wish as well.
>
> The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010
as
> AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has been
> requested to improve.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 23 05:58:19 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:58:19 +0200
Subject: RunRev Store Account
Message-ID: <EA314BD3-0C71-47D1-AA46-DDD34C8EA220@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

After several days, I still had not received my RunRev Store password. Instead of writing to support, I decided to reset my password. I went to http://runrev.com/store/ and clicked on "reset password', entered my e-mail address and received an e-mail with my password immediately. This seems worth a try for eveyone who hasn't received a password yet.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.



From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 06:12:37 2010
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:12:37 +0200
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 personal licences
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksSKhDbKWC8yn_R=xzWHcO63XMK7XugnyNv5EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Referring to the last version  of the LIveCode store  (
http://www.runrev.com/store/ ) , I do not understand the difference between
the

LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Mac/Win (99 $ )  licence

and

LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Personal (275 $ ) licence .

*
The difference between the 2 personal  licences is that the second licence
allows you to deploy also to the Linux platform?
*

Referring to the first they  say:
*
*
*
LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Mac/Win
Windows and Mac desktop development unlocked
This package includes LiveCode development tools and the Windows and Mac
desktop deployment addon.

while, referring to the second licence they say:

LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Personal
Complete desktop development for the personal user
This bundle gives you LiveCode Development Tools plus personal deployment to
all desktop platforms saving you $49. Develop applications using a fast and
easy compile-free work?ow. Achieve project goals in a fraction of the time
with the ability to change the interface or code while the application is
running. So quick to learn even non-programmers can use it. Write code that
makes sense using expressive, memorable syntax and reuse the same code
across multiple devices. Customize your Personal license with more
deployment options, pick from Mobile, Web and Server. This license is for
educational and non-commercial use, all standalone executable applications
will display a splash screen on launch stating non-commercial use only.

All the best

Paolo Mazza

*


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 07:39:17 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:39:17 +0300
Subject: LiveCode in K-6 school environment
In-Reply-To: <94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>
	<94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4C9B3C65.9050101@gmail.com>

  On 09/23/2010 09:58 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:
> Hello Monte,
> <snip>
>> - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds).
> It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a challenging group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year olds and my experience teaching them HyperCard (and last year, revMedia) is that (no matter how hard I wish it to be different) very few are developmentally ready to program.  A simple PowerPoint type interface and/or templates that they can customize is more appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9 year olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching but my experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at a few RevCons) was that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able to think at that level of abstraction...  On the other hand, it hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to scripting in order to see who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you end up doing.  I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of your skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.
>

Now this is really very interesting.

I put some plastic cups on the table and move beans around them and call 
it a calculator.

The I set up an interface with buttons as per a standard Electronic 
calculator;

and a few fields called "cup1", "cup2", "cup3", and so on on RevMedia.

Then get one kid to move beans around the cups and tell the kid at the 
computer things like:

"put the beans from cup1 and the beans from cup2 into cup3"

and

"take the same number of beans as are in cup1 out of cup2 and put them 
in cup3"

then the kids start writing code "under" the '+','-','/' and '*' buttons 
. . .

most of these kids are in the 7 - 10 range.


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep 23 07:47:52 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:47:52 +1000
Subject: LiveCode in K-6 school environment
In-Reply-To: <4C9B3C65.9050101@gmail.com>
References: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>
	<94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>
	<4C9B3C65.9050101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E44D48E-49F1-4611-9270-1890F6B9D7D3@sweattechnologies.com>

> Now this is really very interesting.
> 
> I put some plastic cups on the table and move beans around them and call it a calculator.
> 
> The I set up an interface with buttons as per a standard Electronic calculator;
> 
> and a few fields called "cup1", "cup2", "cup3", and so on on RevMedia.
> 
> Then get one kid to move beans around the cups and tell the kid at the computer things like:
> 
> "put the beans from cup1 and the beans from cup2 into cup3"
> 
> and
> 
> "take the same number of beans as are in cup1 out of cup2 and put them in cup3"
> 
> then the kids start writing code "under" the '+','-','/' and '*' buttons . . .
> 
> most of these kids are in the 7 - 10 range.

That's gold Richmond. I'm going to try it with my 7 year old.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Sep 23 07:52:40 2010
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:40 +0100
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <1285202587688-2551267.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C8C0FE18.14CCA%kevin@runrev.com>

On 23/09/2010 01:43, "Robert Mann" <rman at free.fr> wrote:

> Hi I guess though the issue raised was more regardingf KIDs that were able to
> download revMedia and keep going at home than schools buying stuff for the
> classroom..

Just to be clear here - we do have a scolarship program for K-12 and aren't
going to be turning away anyone in that group who doesn't have a budget for
a license. We'll be putting some more extensive pages up about that in the
coming days but it is already up there. You do have to ask but we'll
streamline the process to be simple.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Sep 23 08:23:44 2010
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:23:44 +0200
Subject: Updating from Revolution 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5
Message-ID: <3FBCD409-E67E-4060-817A-4DA335868F69@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

When I combine both answers :

Jacque wrote :

> You can delete or zip the old Rev folder, those
> files aren't needed for LiveCode.

Bernd wrote :

> you could probably open the info of one .rev file
> and choose the program you want to open this file type

..... I solved the problem.

Thanks to you both !

-Francis




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Sep 23 09:46:16 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:46:16 +0100
Subject: Cloning a folder?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAauy74JS-EAGLt8Ci9PsO2BG0HNx_PNDXROBh@mail.gmail.com>

It seems that revCopyFolder does not return a value for the new folder it
creates - this is important when the destination folder already exists -
because it still creates a folder but with a new folder name that at least
on the Mac adds an integer value to the end of the name "ie ./folder 2"

Is there an easy way to script cloning a folder within the same enclosing
folder but giving it a new name? I want this to work cross platform. Any
help with the following general purpose handler?

command rev_CopyAndRename originalFolder, newFolder
>    -- work in progress
>    set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>    put newFolder into enclosingFolder
>    delete item -1 of enclosingFolder
>    revCopyFolder originalFolder, enclosingFolder
>    -- put it / the result into copiedFolder
>    rename folder copiedFolder to newFolder
> end rev_CopyAndRename
>


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 09:49:31 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:49:31 -0600
Subject: LiveCode 4.5 personal licences
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksSKhDbKWC8yn_R=xzWHcO63XMK7XugnyNv5EQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiksSKhDbKWC8yn_R=xzWHcO63XMK7XugnyNv5EQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmwWLJ6vmq78RiHD8JaVvsMLQ-NnD4C=Z5k9Ob@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, looks to me like they need to adjust the desctription and that maybe it
includes livecode for web?  The price comes out the same if you build that
selection using the customize tool. (275, 99 for the first, 99 for linux and
77 for livecode web with the bundle discount.  That bundle listing surely
needs to be fixed and clarified.


On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:12 AM, paolo mazza <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com>wrote:

> Referring to the last version  of the LIveCode store  (
> http://www.runrev.com/store/ ) , I do not understand the difference
> between
> the
>
> LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Mac/Win (99 $ )  licence
>
> and
>
> LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Personal (275 $ ) licence .
>
> *
> The difference between the 2 personal  licences is that the second licence
> allows you to deploy also to the Linux platform?
> *
>
> Referring to the first they  say:
> *
> *
> *
> LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Mac/Win
> Windows and Mac desktop development unlocked
> This package includes LiveCode development tools and the Windows and Mac
> desktop deployment addon.
>
> while, referring to the second licence they say:
>
> LiveCode 4.5 Desktop Personal
> Complete desktop development for the personal user
> This bundle gives you LiveCode Development Tools plus personal deployment
> to
> all desktop platforms saving you $49. Develop applications using a fast and
> easy compile-free work?ow. Achieve project goals in a fraction of the time
> with the ability to change the interface or code while the application is
> running. So quick to learn even non-programmers can use it. Write code that
> makes sense using expressive, memorable syntax and reuse the same code
> across multiple devices. Customize your Personal license with more
> deployment options, pick from Mobile, Web and Server. This license is for
> educational and non-commercial use, all standalone executable applications
> will display a splash screen on launch stating non-commercial use only.
>
> All the best
>
> Paolo Mazza
>
> *
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 23 10:00:27 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:00:27 -0700
Subject: I feel betrayed
Message-ID: <4C9B5D7B.3010702@fourthworld.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 23/09/2010 01:43, "Robert Mann" <rman at free.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi I guess though the issue raised was more regardingf KIDs that were able to
>> download revMedia and keep going at home than schools buying stuff for the
>> classroom..
>
> Just to be clear here - we do have a scolarship program for K-12 and aren't
> going to be turning away anyone in that group who doesn't have a budget for
> a license. We'll be putting some more extensive pages up about that in the
> coming days but it is already up there. You do have to ask but we'll
> streamline the process to be simple.

That's very good news.  A similar sentiment was posted in the forums 
recently, so it would be useful to have the URL to whatever info you 
have on the scholarship program.

Thanks -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Sep 23 10:42:19 2010
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:42:19 +0200
Subject: uuencode/uudecode
Message-ID: <3308839B-82EC-4828-87DA-5B5EA12567BD@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

how can i uuencode data with LiveCode?
Do i need 3rd party tools for that? i cannot find anything about it, when searching the dictionary for uuencode.

Regards,

Matthias

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 23 11:07:45 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:07:45 -0700
Subject: [OT] test
Message-ID: <4C9B6D41.80506@fourthworld.com>

Sorry for the seeming waste of bandwidth, but I need to verify something 
about the format of these list archives so please ignore this email.

 From here to there
  From here to there
   From here to there
and From here to there

Back to your regularly-scheduled LiveCode discussion....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 23 11:38:14 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:38:14 -0700
Subject: RunRev Store Account
In-Reply-To: <EA314BD3-0C71-47D1-AA46-DDD34C8EA220@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <EA314BD3-0C71-47D1-AA46-DDD34C8EA220@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <161710355734.20100923083814@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:58:19 AM, you wrote:

> After several days, I still had not received my RunRev Store
> password. Instead of writing to support, I decided to reset my
> password. I went to http://runrev.com/store/ and clicked on "reset
> password', entered my e-mail address and received an e-mail with my
> password immediately. This seems worth a try for eveyone who hasn't
> received a password yet.

I ended up doing that as well, and it does work. Be aware, though,
that when you finally do receive your password email from RunRev it
will override your old password setting at the website, and you should
relicense the app as well.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 23 12:00:56 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:00:56 -0700
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEICCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <20100923004254.BA16328829B@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEICCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikEqP7Yw-6hdaLgG+o77ty_K=sijcc_bahapDQ4@mail.gmail.com>

Right, but ssbk.rev also seems to be the core app loaded by the standalone.
So the DATA and BUSINESS LOGIC are both in ssbk.rev ?

On 23 September 2010 02:34, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> Your Entries are stored in the stack data file (initially called ssBk.rev
> in
> the download). If you have more than one Scrapbook, it will also be a stack
> data file.
>
> I have not used Dropbox so it would be good to know that a 'roaming'
> solution for ssBk is easily available.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
> stephen barncard asked...
>
> Hugh, as you know I've been needing a solution to make the same Scrapbook
> data available on all my machines and I thought I had found it with Dropbox
> (thanks Andre).
>
> But I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the data is stored, so
> I
> can share that file using Dropbox.
>
> I am using the standalone option as the in-IDE plugin just shows too many
> stacks in the browsers, and I use it for other kinds of code snippets.
>
> Should I just put the app itself in the dropbox?
>
>
> On 22 September 2010 13:06, FlexibleLearning
> <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:
>
> > Thank you all for the tributes.
> >
> > The Scripter's Scrapbook is also available in the new RunRev MarketPlace:
> > http://www.runrev.com/store/product/scripters-scrapbook-1-0-0/
> >
> > However, their new website has not yet been completed and there are no
> > download links for any products. To get a download (many different
> options;
> > choose the one/s you want), go to the Flexible Learning website page
> > http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm as Thomas suggested. Options
> > include standalone applications which are not included in the runRev
> > download (when they are re-instated) for those who wish to run ssBk
> outside
> > the LiveCode environment.
> >
> > The on-line repository supports a range of attribution options and I
> would
> > encourage you to take  2-for-1 advantage (for every two you grab, put at
> > least one up yourself). You cannot store files but you can include any
> > number of stacks, files, pdf's etc you want by including their url
> > addresses. Ken Ray's work on the cgi to drive this part has been
> fantasic.
> > We have also included vendor options so you can offer your work for sale
> if
> > you wish as well.
> >
> > The Scripter's Scrapbook is currently v5.2.19, last updated 24 June 2010
> as
> > AndyP says. Updates tend to quite infrequent nowadays as not much has
> been
> > requested to improve.
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> > FLCo
> >
> >
>
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Thu Sep 23 12:11:27 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEICCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEICCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <1285258287042-2552309.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Hugh,

I tryed to update to the last version, but the app is hang up, and still
"Startup..."

Exactly what I must do after update and see the NEW Scripter's Scrapbook"? I
have version 5.2.16, inside the 5.2.17 and now inside of this the 5.2.19...
:(
Only I can use the 5.2.16...

Salut,
Josep M
-- 
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/The-Scripter-s-Scrapbook-was-Online-Snippets-library-tp2551700p2552309.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Sep 23 13:10:46 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:10:46 +0100
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <20100923170006.1DBB8288BE8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONKEIJCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Correct.

/H



stephen barncard wrote:

Right, but ssbk.rev also seems to be the core app loaded by the standalone.
So the DATA and BUSINESS LOGIC are both in ssbk.rev ?

On 23 September 2010 02:34, FlexibleLearning
<admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> Your Entries are stored in the stack data file (initially called ssBk.rev
> in
> the download). If you have more than one Scrapbook, it will also be a
stack
> data file.
>
> I have not used Dropbox so it would be good to know that a 'roaming'
> solution for ssBk is easily available.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo



From boileau.andre at uqam.ca  Thu Sep 23 13:14:31 2010
From: boileau.andre at uqam.ca (Boileau)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:14:31 -0400
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <20100923170005.EF317288BE6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100923170005.EF317288BE6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7A39A8C7-ABD3-43C0-A4C2-7FEA00CCCBFC@uqam.ca>

Good news indeed!

Could you consider extending this scolarship program to pre-service  
teachers taking courses in which LiveCode would be used ? This would  
allow then to instal LiveCode at home and practice with it.

Kind regards,

Andr?


Le 10-09-23 ? 13:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a ?crit :

>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:52:40 +0100
> From: Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: I feel betrayed
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <C8C0FE18.14CCA%kevin at runrev.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> On 23/09/2010 01:43, "Robert Mann" <rman at free.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi I guess though the issue raised was more regardingf KIDs that  
>> were able to
>> download revMedia and keep going at home than schools buying stuff  
>> for the
>> classroom..
>
> Just to be clear here - we do have a scolarship program for K-12 and  
> aren't
> going to be turning away anyone in that group who doesn't have a  
> budget for
> a license. We'll be putting some more extensive pages up about that  
> in the
> coming days but it is already up there. You do have to ask but we'll
> streamline the process to be simple.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding
>



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Sep 23 13:19:29 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:19:29 +0100
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <20100923170006.1DBB8288BE8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONEEIKCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

A hanging app has been reported when using an old version of the standAlone
with ssBk. Go to www.flexibleLearning.com/ssbk, click FREE DOWNLOADS and
download a replacement standalone application in the "Extras: Application
Programs" section of the page.

After an update, the 'new folder' is always generated in the same folder as
the folder you started in. You simply archive your old set-up and move the
new files back into the original folder. This is a fail-safe so you can
always revert.

Hugh Senior
FLCo



JosepM wrote:

Hi Hugh,

I tryed to update to the last version, but the app is hang up, and still
"Startup..."

Exactly what I must do after update and see the NEW Scripter's Scrapbook"? I
have version 5.2.16, inside the 5.2.17 and now inside of this the 5.2.19...
:(
Only I can use the 5.2.16...

Salut,
Josep M



From heather at runrev.com  Thu Sep 23 13:20:57 2010
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:20:57 +0100
Subject: Your LiveCode Accounts
Message-ID: <FB35D962-5ED9-4596-88B1-5E26273E3081@runrev.com>

Dear List Folks,

Just a quick update on your accounts. All the account creation emails  
have been sent out now, so if you didn't get yours (spam filter,  
bounce?) you can go to this page:

http://www.runrev.com/store/account/login/

In the Existing Customers area, enter the email address you purchased  
with. Click the "forgotten password" link and get your password  
resent. You should be able to log in to your account.

If you purchased originally with an email address you don't have  
anymore, reset your password anyway, then email support at runrev.com to  
tell us what email address you did it for, and we can retrieve that  
password for you. You will then be able to update the account to an  
email address you do use. Please be patient, as I'm sure you can  
imagine we have exceptional levels of support at the moment, but we  
will get round to everybody just as soon as we can.

Another useful thing you might want to know, is that if you log in and  
find you have multiple licenses all grouped together, with a single  
price for the update, you can now ungroup the licenses and update each  
one individually, for a single update price.

Thanks for all the great feedback, its very heartening to hear how  
many of you love the new name/look.

Regards,

Heather


Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode ? Realize fast, compile-free coding

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode ? Realize fast, compile-free coding



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 23 13:56:09 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:56:09 -0500
Subject: Cloning a folder?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAauy74JS-EAGLt8Ci9PsO2BG0HNx_PNDXROBh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAauy74JS-EAGLt8Ci9PsO2BG0HNx_PNDXROBh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9B94B9.6050509@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/23/10 8:46 AM, David Bovill wrote:
> It seems that revCopyFolder does not return a value for the new folder it
> creates - this is important when the destination folder already exists -
> because it still creates a folder but with a new folder name that at least
> on the Mac adds an integer value to the end of the name "ie ./folder 2"
>
> Is there an easy way to script cloning a folder within the same enclosing
> folder but giving it a new name? I want this to work cross platform. Any
> help with the following general purpose handler?
>
> command rev_CopyAndRename originalFolder, newFolder
>>     -- work in progress
>>     set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>>     put newFolder into enclosingFolder
>>     delete item -1 of enclosingFolder
>>     revCopyFolder originalFolder, enclosingFolder
>>     -- put it / the result into copiedFolder
>>     rename folder copiedFolder to newFolder
>> end rev_CopyAndRename

I think I'd name the new folder something arbitrary, like "temp", and 
after the copy is done, use the "rename folder" command to set the 
permanent name of the folder.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 23 13:56:16 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:56:16 -0700
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONEEIKCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <20100923170006.1DBB8288BE8@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONEEIKCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=17Z7-yS0kRPxg3-HeKzLZqE_kv6=AoXvjoF58@mail.gmail.com>

Will all due respect, Hugh, I've always cringed with the upgrade process
with SS. It was never clear what to do with the mess in the folder that was
left, and what was what.

On 23 September 2010 10:19, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> A hanging app has been reported when using an old version of the standAlone
> with ssBk. Go to www.flexibleLearning.com/ssbk, click FREE DOWNLOADS and
> download a replacement standalone application in the "Extras: Application
> Programs" section of the page.
>
> After an update, the 'new folder' is always generated in the same folder as
> the folder you started in. You simply archive your old set-up and move the
> new files back into the original folder. This is a fail-safe so you can
> always revert.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
>
> JosepM wrote:
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> I tryed to update to the last version, but the app is hang up, and still
> "Startup..."
>
> Exactly what I must do after update and see the NEW Scripter's Scrapbook"?
> I
> have version 5.2.16, inside the 5.2.17 and now inside of this the 5.2.19...
> :(
> Only I can use the 5.2.16...
>
> Salut,
> Josep M
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From marty at ucls.uchicago.edu  Thu Sep 23 14:08:05 2010
From: marty at ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:08:05 -0500
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 84, Issue 47
In-Reply-To: <20100923170005.EF317288BE6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100923170005.EF317288BE6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D754232-9A4E-49D3-A188-8E13F18611DA@ucls.uchicago.edu>

On Sep 23, 2010, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Hello Monte,
> <snip>
>> - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds).
>
> It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a  
> challenging group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year  
> olds and my experience teaching them HyperCard (and last year,  
> revMedia) is that (no matter how hard I wish it to be different)  
> very few are developmentally ready to program.  A simple PowerPoint  
> type interface and/or templates that they can customize is more  
> appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9  
> year olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching  
> but my experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at  
> a few RevCons) was that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able  
> to think at that level of abstraction...  On the other hand, it  
> hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to scripting in order to see  
> who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you end up doing.   
> I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of your  
> skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.
>
> Scott Morrow

Kids that young will do better with a drag-n-drop programming  
environment.  Typing in scripting commands is just too difficult at  
that age. Even if they can grasp the abstractions, they can't keep  
enough information in their heads at one time to program in an open- 
ended environment. Scratch is a great place for kids to start.  Cross- 
platform, free, and robust. Lots of good curriculum materials out  
there for Scratch.

The middle school kids I teach are 13-14; they do quite well with Rev.

   - marty

--
Marty Billingsley
Department of Computer Science
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 23 14:15:27 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:15:27 -0500
Subject: Print Dialog Only Opens Once?
In-Reply-To: <C8C03039.A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8C03039.A2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4C9B993F.6060101@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/23/10 12:14 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Back with more print questions...
>
> After scripting "answer printer" on WindowsXP, I get the appropriate system
> print dialog, which I've followed with "answer the result" and then I exit
> to top, as I'm only checking results.  Once this routine has run, I can't
> open the printer dialog anymore with restarting (Rev 4).  When "answer
> printer" is called, the result is "unable to open dialog".
>
> I've tried setting the printerSettings to empty before calling "answer
> printer", but no change.
>
> Anything else I can do here?

I just tried it and can't reproduce the problem. This is all I have in 
my button script:

on mouseup
  answer printer
  put the result
end mouseup

I hit "Print" to close the dialog the first time through by mistake, 
after that I clicked "Cancel" each time. Not sure if that mattered.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 14:21:41 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:21:41 -0400
Subject: Text File Import
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimj8Yko4PQ4D-OQnhZb6bWC7V=3edrbKNsYq3re@mail.gmail.com>

why, do you have something that does more, Stephen?  For what we usually do
around here, this is pretty bare-bones and straightforward, but rather than
spending five hours writing it I thought I'd ask first.


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Thu Sep 23 14:30:34 2010
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:30:34 +0200
Subject: The currently playing track & revMobile
In-Reply-To: <20100922170004.441E6288B5D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100922170004.441E6288B5D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <870BC01E-6BC6-49D9-9BD5-5D5CDB98668F@de-mare.nl>

I want to write an iOS app that allows me to edit the tags of the tracks on my iPod Touch. Often when I listen to music on my iPod, I want to edit the data of the currently playing track. For example, I want to set the genre, or at least add some comments to it. And when I connect the iPod to my iMac, I want that data to sync back to iTunes automatically. 

I don't know of any app that has similar functionality, so I doubt whether the SDK allows it. But it sure would be great if it did.

As far as I know, the only information that is synced back from my iPod to iTunes is: star ratings and play counts. But I would love to do more. 

If this is simply impossible, could there be some kind of workaround? For example: the app records the title & artist of the currently playing track to a text file on the iPod, along with the data I would like to add/modify. When connected to the Mac, an AppleScript could process that text file to make the changes to the corresponding track(s) in iTunes.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Terry

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 23 14:45:59 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:45:59 -0500
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/22/10 11:09 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> William,
>
> I tried this:
>
> on mouseUp
> reset printing
> set the printPaperSize to 595,842
> set the printPaperOrientation to "landscape"
> set the printmargins to 72,36,0,0
> set the printscale to 1.1
> open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
> -- add error check here
> print this card from 193,90 to 833,570
> -- add error check here
> close printing
> end mouseUp
>
> And I get the right part of my images, rectangles and fields cut off. It
> cuts off at the unrotated paper width.

This works for me:

   set the printpapersize to "595,842"
   set the printPaperOrientation to "landscape"
   set the printmargins to 18,18,18,18
   set the printScale to 0.85
   open printing to pdf "test.pdf"
   print this card from the topleft of fld 1 to the bottomright of fld 1
   close printing

I got the cutoff until I scaled the printout down to 0.85; this likely 
needs to be adjusted for each layout. The printmargins will also play a 
role in how much it needs to be scaled. If the scaling is too large, 
then it prints right off the edge of the page.

If William's original intention is to make the text larger for the 
printout, then probably I'd increase the textsize of the field before 
printing, then change it back afterward.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Sep 23 14:56:38 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:56:38 -0700
Subject: uuencode/uudecode
In-Reply-To: <3308839B-82EC-4828-87DA-5B5EA12567BD@m-r-d.de>
References: <3308839B-82EC-4828-87DA-5B5EA12567BD@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <4C9BA2E6.6010605@pdslabs.net>

  Hi Matthias,

With LiveCode on Mac OS X you could use a shell() command and let the 'uuencode' 
line command do the work. Not sure about Windows... there doesn't seem to be a 
direct way to uuencode a file - no 'uuencode' command, nor any way to do it 
using PowerShell (AFAIK). Do you feel like writing your own LC uu library? That 
should be doable.

More info about the uuencode spec:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uuencoding
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/uuencode.html

Phil


On 9/23/10 7:42 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how can i uuencode data with LiveCode?
> Do i need 3rd party tools for that? i cannot find anything about it, when searching the dictionary for uuencode.
>
> Regards,
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 15:10:34 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:10:34 -0400
Subject: Linux Tao
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkegd3v_yeKw-JsnK0utTVx6XS3XLJRZjsoOFz@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody completed a list of the issues that we face with using RR in
Linux?

I'm in the process of taking a project that I use all the time in Windoze
and trying to port it.

To this point, things I've found are:
1) odbc
   a) have to tell RR where the specific odbc driver that i'm using is
located
   b) have to specify the database type as "odbc" (lowercase) instead of
"ODBC" (uppercase)
   c) have to insert "DSN=" on the front of the dsn source or RR won't be
able to talk to the driver.
2) Display
   a) Table Fields are unbelievably slow to respond e.g. clicking on a line
takes seconds to hilight
   b) The display in general seems very slow.


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 15:10:34 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:10:34 -0400
Subject: Linux Tao
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkegd3v_yeKw-JsnK0utTVx6XS3XLJRZjsoOFz@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody completed a list of the issues that we face with using RR in
Linux?

I'm in the process of taking a project that I use all the time in Windoze
and trying to port it.

To this point, things I've found are:
1) odbc
   a) have to tell RR where the specific odbc driver that i'm using is
located
   b) have to specify the database type as "odbc" (lowercase) instead of
"ODBC" (uppercase)
   c) have to insert "DSN=" on the front of the dsn source or RR won't be
able to talk to the driver.
2) Display
   a) Table Fields are unbelievably slow to respond e.g. clicking on a line
takes seconds to hilight
   b) The display in general seems very slow.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 23 15:27:48 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:27:48 -0700
Subject: Text File Import
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimj8Yko4PQ4D-OQnhZb6bWC7V=3edrbKNsYq3re@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimj8Yko4PQ4D-OQnhZb6bWC7V=3edrbKNsYq3re@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimi25QKLd3w2wMdNXaVRrQoTJTUXzDPWaakE7E3@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies, it was my somewhat snide reply to your question: What you just
asked for was a complete APPLICATION ! And the fact you have to deal with
the HORRIBLE CSV format.  Commas should have NEVER ever been used for
delimiters, period. Returns mess up everything.

Actually what you asked could be a library or an app. What would you pay for
such a thing?

Anyway, you'll like the one you make better anyway than some partial demo
stack. If you can make this to your stated specs in 5 hours, then you are a
much more efficient coder than I am.

Even if it's for myself, I like to take time with the gui, the menus, etc.
It makes a difference if it's just being used by me rather than by others of
course. If somebody else has to use it, then it's a whole new ball game,
support, etc.





On 23 September 2010 11:21, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> why, do you have something that does more, Stephen?  For what we usually do
> around here, this is pretty bare-bones and straightforward, but rather than
> spending five hours writing it I thought I'd ask first.
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 15:32:20 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:32:20 -0400
Subject: Text File Import
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimi25QKLd3w2wMdNXaVRrQoTJTUXzDPWaakE7E3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikeF=DEis+M_86dq0b_WOm-JXHijW5RNgQFLaD7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin6VE66MBjoftZPQwdBGJ9qdfCy+sSOg6zbpUMW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimj8Yko4PQ4D-OQnhZb6bWC7V=3edrbKNsYq3re@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimi25QKLd3w2wMdNXaVRrQoTJTUXzDPWaakE7E3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmdwVz5Qw903FAb+mB-z=_fpGhtv5ZoGSr2469@mail.gmail.com>

I'm surprised that this isn't a stock library item.  It's just a typical db
import.  No worries.  Thanks for the replies.


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 23 15:10:34 2010
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:10:34 -0400
Subject: Linux Tao
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkegd3v_yeKw-JsnK0utTVx6XS3XLJRZjsoOFz@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody completed a list of the issues that we face with using RR in
Linux?

I'm in the process of taking a project that I use all the time in Windoze
and trying to port it.

To this point, things I've found are:
1) odbc
   a) have to tell RR where the specific odbc driver that i'm using is
located
   b) have to specify the database type as "odbc" (lowercase) instead of
"ODBC" (uppercase)
   c) have to insert "DSN=" on the front of the dsn source or RR won't be
able to talk to the driver.
2) Display
   a) Table Fields are unbelievably slow to respond e.g. clicking on a line
takes seconds to hilight
   b) The display in general seems very slow.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 17:04:57 2010
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:04:57 +0100
Subject: The currently playing track & revMobile
In-Reply-To: <870BC01E-6BC6-49D9-9BD5-5D5CDB98668F@de-mare.nl>
References: <20100922170004.441E6288B5D@mail.runrev.com>
	<870BC01E-6BC6-49D9-9BD5-5D5CDB98668F@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <859A660E-7065-49CA-9AF9-1BDB2CEB188A@azurevision.co.uk>

Neat idea.

After a quick bit of searching, this was added to the SDK with OS3 - so it's possible, but I've no idea if it's possible with Rev.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/741847/iphone-sdk-accessing-current-song-information-through-an-app

Ian

On 23 Sep 2010, at 19:30, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> I want to write an iOS app that allows me to edit the tags of the tracks on my iPod Touch. Often when I listen to music on my iPod, I want to edit the data of the currently playing track. For example, I want to set the genre, or at least add some comments to it. And when I connect the iPod to my iMac, I want that data to sync back to iTunes automatically. 
> 
> I don't know of any app that has similar functionality, so I doubt whether the SDK allows it. But it sure would be great if it did.
> 
> As far as I know, the only information that is synced back from my iPod to iTunes is: star ratings and play counts. But I would love to do more. 
> 
> If this is simply impossible, could there be some kind of workaround? For example: the app records the title & artist of the currently playing track to a text file on the iPod, along with the data I would like to add/modify. When connected to the Mac, an AppleScript could process that text file to make the changes to the corresponding track(s) in iTunes.
> 
> Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu Sep 23 17:06:52 2010
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:06:52 -0400
Subject: calling com port under win7 with old 261 built app
In-Reply-To: <20100921210651.CC00B2889E7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100921210651.CC00B2889E7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3B2E881D-77A4-4C81-8275-14C66ACF9AD8@siphonophore.com>

Mark,

I owe you a beer! it was the firewall! running fine now.

was frustrating as the new win7 box i just bought just to do a little  
other win7 testing has no serial port! was going to have to add a card  
to start trying to test it or worse yet have to do a service call..,  
but all fixed now!

the same old 2.6.1 app is running fine talking to the amx controller  
fine now and running the interactive auditorium shows at the monterey  
bay aquarium on the new win7 boxes.

thanks for the help!

cheers

jeff

PS the aquarium recently retired an old first gen HD video server  
there (old suped up pc box with extra dp cards and drive array) that  
still had running an old meta card app from 1999 that just sat there  
all day long passing serial commands from the serial port and  
translating them into shell commands! fixed a huge problem with about  
a dozen lines of mc code in like 10 minutes that had the video server  
installer guys stumped! goes to show the power of mc/rev!


On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:06 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Jeff-
>
> Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 1:23:13 PM, you wrote:
>
>> on my app to com 1 (i had that built in there). does win 7 do
>> something different that an older rev would not do to call the serial
>> port? do i need to rebuild the app in a later version of rev to  
>> create
>> a win7 app that will call the com port on win7?
>
> Hmmm... overzealous antivirus software? Do you need admin rights to
> access the serial ports in Win 7?
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 23 17:25:39 2010
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:25:39 -0500
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=17Z7-yS0kRPxg3-HeKzLZqE_kv6=AoXvjoF58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100923170006.1DBB8288BE8@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONEEIKCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<AANLkTi=17Z7-yS0kRPxg3-HeKzLZqE_kv6=AoXvjoF58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0799CBF-8464-4508-9DFD-1A0248A47814@earthlink.net>

Which is one of the many reasons I prefer to run the standalone alongside of LiveCode instead of from within it.

On Sep 23, 2010, at 12:56 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Will all due respect, Hugh, I've always cringed with the upgrade process
> with SS. It was never clear what to do with the mess in the folder that was
> left, and what was what.
> 
> On 23 September 2010 10:19, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:
> 
>> A hanging app has been reported when using an old version of the standAlone
>> with ssBk. Go to www.flexibleLearning.com/ssbk, click FREE DOWNLOADS and
>> download a replacement standalone application in the "Extras: Application
>> Programs" section of the page.
>> 
>> After an update, the 'new folder' is always generated in the same folder as
>> the folder you started in. You simply archive your old set-up and move the
>> new files back into the original folder. This is a fail-safe so you can
>> always revert.
>> 
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> JosepM wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hugh,
>> 
>> I tryed to update to the last version, but the app is hang up, and still
>> "Startup..."
>> 
>> Exactly what I must do after update and see the NEW Scripter's Scrapbook"?
>> I
>> have version 5.2.16, inside the 5.2.17 and now inside of this the 5.2.19...
>> :(
>> Only I can use the 5.2.16...
>> 
>> Salut,
>> Josep M
>> 
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> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Sep 23 17:51:27 2010
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:51:27 -0400
Subject: The currently playing track & revMobile
In-Reply-To: <859A660E-7065-49CA-9AF9-1BDB2CEB188A@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <20100922170004.441E6288B5D@mail.runrev.com>
	<870BC01E-6BC6-49D9-9BD5-5D5CDB98668F@de-mare.nl>
	<859A660E-7065-49CA-9AF9-1BDB2CEB188A@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <853B881E-A530-4DA2-B522-31EFD7CD19ED@mac.com>

Terry,

Although it is possible to 'get' the current track info from obj-c  but I very much doubt that LiveCode will have that same level of access. 

We need an external pass through for revMobile that will let us do calls to these libraries.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com

I Can Speak on the iPad Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8

On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Ian Wood wrote:

> Neat idea.
> 
> After a quick bit of searching, this was added to the SDK with OS3 - so it's possible, but I've no idea if it's possible with Rev.
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/741847/iphone-sdk-accessing-current-song-information-through-an-app
> 
> Ian
> 
> On 23 Sep 2010, at 19:30, Terry Vogelaar wrote:
> 
>> I want to write an iOS app that allows me to edit the tags of the tracks on my iPod Touch. Often when I listen to music on my iPod, I want to edit the data of the currently playing track. For example, I want to set the genre, or at least add some comments to it. And when I connect the iPod to my iMac, I want that data to sync back to iTunes automatically. 
>> 
>> I don't know of any app that has similar functionality, so I doubt whether the SDK allows it. But it sure would be great if it did.
>> 
>> As far as I know, the only information that is synced back from my iPod to iTunes is: star ratings and play counts. But I would love to do more. 
>> 
>> If this is simply impossible, could there be some kind of workaround? For example: the app records the title & artist of the currently playing track to a text file on the iPod, along with the data I would like to add/modify. When connected to the Mac, an AppleScript could process that text file to make the changes to the corresponding track(s) in iTunes.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Terry_______________________________________________
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Sep 23 18:26:05 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:26:05 -0700
Subject: The currently playing track & revMobile
In-Reply-To: <853B881E-A530-4DA2-B522-31EFD7CD19ED@mac.com>
References: <20100922170004.441E6288B5D@mail.runrev.com>
	<870BC01E-6BC6-49D9-9BD5-5D5CDB98668F@de-mare.nl>
	<859A660E-7065-49CA-9AF9-1BDB2CEB188A@azurevision.co.uk>
	<853B881E-A530-4DA2-B522-31EFD7CD19ED@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7B9926FE-7672-44F9-A12A-0122813CE9F8@twft.com>

I don't think Steve Jobs would have a problem with that. OH WAIT! Yes he would. ;-)

Bob


On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Terry,
> 
> Although it is possible to 'get' the current track info from obj-c  but I very much doubt that LiveCode will have that same level of access. 
> 
> We need an external pass through for revMobile that will let us do calls to these libraries.
> 
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net



From jmyepes at mac.com  Thu Sep 23 18:57:30 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>


This work for me, without change the exact size of the elements, but l lost
about 2 cm at the bottom of the page.
I need to force the stack size and move to some position that I can edit
later, so if I use it in my laptop the stack is resized and when I print the
PDF only show the visible area of the stack. The idea is make this stack
invisible.

Put the margin to 0 left about 2 cm at top and at bottom, left and right are
about 1cm...

on mouseUp
   set the location of this stack to 600,600
   set the width of this stack to 595
   set the height of this stack to 842
   
   set the printPaperSize to "595,842"
   put "595,842" into thePaperSize
   
   put "0" into theMargin
   
   -- get the page area:
   set the printMargins to theMargin,theMargin,theMargin,theMargin
   -- put theMargin,theMargin, item 1 of thePaperSize - theMargin, item 2 of
thePaperSize - theMargin into destinationRect
   -- print into that rectangle:
   open printing to pdf "/Users/joss/Desktop/card_test.pdf"
   print this card --into destinationRect
   close printing
   
end mouseUp

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Thu Sep 23 19:19:06 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
Message-ID: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Some time ago I saw in the Shaosean's website that he had a interesting
libraries and stacks. Often I check their website but I don't found any.

It's posible locate the FTP and SMTP libraries?


Salut,
Josep 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 23 19:21:05 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:21:05 -0700
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
In-Reply-To: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hD_+X8HE2zpBVSFrsZj7iFL3EZuitj+5+hG=B@mail.gmail.com>

2nd position on Google for shao sean

http://www.shaosean.tk/

On 23 September 2010 16:19, JosepM <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Some time ago I saw in the Shaosean's website that he had a interesting
> libraries and stacks. Often I check their website but I don't found any.
>
> It's posible locate the FTP and SMTP libraries?
>
>
> Salut,
> Josep
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Where-can-I-found-the-Shaosean-libs-tp2552883p2552883.html
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Sep 23 19:25:09 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0600
Subject: The message sent before preOpenStack
Message-ID: <7D48AFC3-47F1-4968-A50E-E9D18D0C503B@swcp.com>

I forgot the name of the message sent to the first card of the main  
stack in a standalone before everything else, even preOpenStack.  I  
have used it before but those stacks are not where I am.

What is the name of the message?  execute?  setup?  preamble?  begin?

Dar Scott



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 23 19:25:57 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:25:57 -0700
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=hD_+X8HE2zpBVSFrsZj7iFL3EZuitj+5+hG=B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTi=hD_+X8HE2zpBVSFrsZj7iFL3EZuitj+5+hG=B@mail.gmail.com>
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I misread. you need to contact Shao directly.

 I dearly regret mentioning something about some error in the code of a demo
stack not meeting Shao's usual (excellent)  'standards'. I think my
statements may have lost something in translation, as Shao was obviously
insulted. It was meant as a compliment and a gentle mention of the coding
error.

Now it's become a byline on Shao's website.

http://www.shaosean.tk/


On 23 September 2010 16:21, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> 2nd position on Google for shao sean
>
> http://www.shaosean.tk/
>
>
> On 23 September 2010 16:19, JosepM <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some time ago I saw in the Shaosean's website that he had a interesting
>> libraries and stacks. Often I check their website but I don't found any.
>>
>> It's posible locate the FTP and SMTP libraries?
>>
>>
>> Salut,
>> Josep
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 23 19:26:22 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:26:22 +0200
Subject: The message sent before preOpenStack
In-Reply-To: <7D48AFC3-47F1-4968-A50E-E9D18D0C503B@swcp.com>
References: <7D48AFC3-47F1-4968-A50E-E9D18D0C503B@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B05CC10E-92C0-4AE8-A355-9A6A12B9A714@economy-x-talk.com>

startUp

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On 24 sep 2010, at 01:25, Dar Scott wrote:

> I forgot the name of the message sent to the first card of the main stack in a standalone before everything else, even preOpenStack.  I have used it before but those stacks are not where I am.
> 
> What is the name of the message?  execute?  setup?  preamble?  begin?
> 
> Dar Scott



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 23 19:26:26 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:26:26 -0700
Subject: The message sent before preOpenStack
In-Reply-To: <7D48AFC3-47F1-4968-A50E-E9D18D0C503B@swcp.com>
References: <7D48AFC3-47F1-4968-A50E-E9D18D0C503B@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimCtdjRjpic=+h9df_LAWUo19rnGhJvSRUKR8mu@mail.gmail.com>

startup

On 23 September 2010 16:25, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> I forgot the name of the message sent to the first card of the main stack
> in a standalone before everything else, even preOpenStack.  I have used it
> before but those stacks are not where I am.
>
> What is the name of the message?  execute?  setup?  preamble?  begin?
>
> Dar Scott
>
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From rman at free.fr  Thu Sep 23 19:30:06 2010
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:30:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The currently playing track & revMobile
In-Reply-To: <7B9926FE-7672-44F9-A12A-0122813CE9F8@twft.com>
References: <870BC01E-6BC6-49D9-9BD5-5D5CDB98668F@de-mare.nl>
	<859A660E-7065-49CA-9AF9-1BDB2CEB188A@azurevision.co.uk>
	<853B881E-A530-4DA2-B522-31EFD7CD19ED@mac.com>
	<7B9926FE-7672-44F9-A12A-0122813CE9F8@twft.com>
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Sounds a MUST HAVE function idea for me that pass through... !!! Hope it gets
through.. 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 20:54:04 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:54:04 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
Message-ID: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>

Finally am getting back on my feet(health stuff, long story) and want to try
and learn some new things.

I'm looking at making a very simple overhead view rpg, and my thought was to
use tilesets and set the imagesource of the chars to the desired tile based
on letter. (meaing w for wall, f for floor b for building etc)  The viewport
will be a small 9x9 area with the current 'map' held in a variable.

Before I go too far down this path, does anyone have any
tips/pointers/warnings or better direction for me to go?  My thinking was
track the current position of the character against the map file, then on
move, update the char postion (which will always be centered in the
viewport) and use that to get the chars in the surounding area, lock the
screen, update the field contents with the areas text representation and set
all the image ids, then unlock.

Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9 tile
size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata to
set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I will
only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the datagrid
will handle which rows are displayed.

Other methods? At this point i'm not even really worried about collisions or
anything of that nature.  And  I'm still determining if the map should bind
edge to edge (making around the world trips possible)

Any and all hints would be welcome.
Thanks!


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Sep 23 21:25:11 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:25:11 +1000
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FF1005F-1152-4D16-BC4B-658088D679AA@sweattechnologies.com>

> Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9 tile
> size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata to
> set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I will
> only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the datagrid
> will handle which rows are displayed.

Hi Mike

I'd suggest using 9 transparent buttons grouped and use icons and image names. Then your group could have get and setprop handlers to handle multi-dimensional arrays.

-- group script
getProp map
	return the customProperties["map"] of me
end map

-- pMap is a multi-dimensional array representing your map
-- pMap[1][1] = the top left corner
-- btn names are 1,1.. 9,9
setProp map pMap
	repeat with tRow = 1 to 3
		repeat with tColumn = 1 to 3
			set the icon of btn (tRow,tColumn) to the short id of image pMap[tRow][tColumn]
		end repeat
	end repeat
	set the customProperties["map"] of me to pMap
end map

You could have a larger world map also and this 9x9 view could just display sections of it.

Cheers

--
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M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 21:36:50 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:36:50 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <0FF1005F-1152-4D16-BC4B-658088D679AA@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FF1005F-1152-4D16-BC4B-658088D679AA@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimW7u1TK+1h6QXNte0De6h__J0+kfRwfny3UrBC@mail.gmail.com>

Pulling out sections for view is part of the plan, after experimenting more,
setting imagesource for my map is probably not on the "good idea" list, so
i'm going to experiment with the button idea, thank you much.  Might
experiment with the same thing in a datagrid just for practice.

Think if I store the map in an array as you suggest, I can also store
location cues like chance of random spawn, treasure level and the like.

I'm off to experiment, tyvm for your suggestions, really appreciated.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
> wrote:

> > Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9
> tile
> > size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata
> to
> > set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I
> will
> > only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the
> datagrid
> > will handle which rows are displayed.
>
> Hi Mike
>
> I'd suggest using 9 transparent buttons grouped and use icons and image
> names. Then your group could have get and setprop handlers to handle
> multi-dimensional arrays.
>
> -- group script
> getProp map
>        return the customProperties["map"] of me
> end map
>
> -- pMap is a multi-dimensional array representing your map
> -- pMap[1][1] = the top left corner
> -- btn names are 1,1.. 9,9
> setProp map pMap
>        repeat with tRow = 1 to 3
>                repeat with tColumn = 1 to 3
>                        set the icon of btn (tRow,tColumn) to the short id
> of image pMap[tRow][tColumn]
>                end repeat
>        end repeat
>        set the customProperties["map"] of me to pMap
> end map
>
> You could have a larger world map also and this 9x9 view could just display
> sections of it.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Monte Goulding
> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave
>
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 21:38:09 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:38:09 -0400
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin07cquOJcuGzK3mHFm3Ms7niDEUdqTV2XD4nHH@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

I don't have anything to add with regard to organizing your game, but if you
want some really spiffy graphics for tile based game design there are some
really good free ones at the following url:

http://lunar.lostgarden.com/labels/free%20game%20graphics.html

For instance the set:

Danc's Miraculously Flexible Game Prototyping TilesFound these working on a
project with my son.

Good luck, have fun!

Wayne


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 21:42:13 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:42:13 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin07cquOJcuGzK3mHFm3Ms7niDEUdqTV2XD4nHH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin07cquOJcuGzK3mHFm3Ms7niDEUdqTV2XD4nHH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zNQ=PfnZdXeAhmM+gX+5fLZqDT7+w7WraZyhU@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome, since i'm horrible at graphic design, I was hoping to find free
tilesets, and those look really nice!

Thank you thank you.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:38 PM, wayne durden <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I don't have anything to add with regard to organizing your game, but if
> you
> want some really spiffy graphics for tile based game design there are some
> really good free ones at the following url:
>
> http://lunar.lostgarden.com/labels/free%20game%20graphics.html
>
> For instance the set:
>
> Danc's Miraculously Flexible Game Prototyping TilesFound these working on a
> project with my son.
>
> Good luck, have fun!
>
> Wayne
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Sep 23 21:50:02 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:50:02 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA23C792-B97F-41C9-862B-7427D99F15C9@swcp.com>

You might consider using buttons, not for any button functionality,  
but to reference images.  Lay those out as you need.  They will be in  
the same coordinates as your sprites and arrows and things.  You can  
butt those against each other.  Adjust the margins if buttons have them.

If you go to 3/4 view, tiling will still work and you can even have a  
little overlap.  Just layer them right.

Your game world might be a toroid.  That is, left and right wrap and  
up and down wrap.

Dar Scott

On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> Finally am getting back on my feet(health stuff, long story) and  
> want to try
> and learn some new things.
>
> I'm looking at making a very simple overhead view rpg, and my  
> thought was to
> use tilesets and set the imagesource of the chars to the desired  
> tile based
> on letter. (meaing w for wall, f for floor b for building etc)  The  
> viewport
> will be a small 9x9 area with the current 'map' held in a variable.
>
> Before I go too far down this path, does anyone have any
> tips/pointers/warnings or better direction for me to go?  My  
> thinking was
> track the current position of the character against the map file,  
> then on
> move, update the char postion (which will always be centered in the
> viewport) and use that to get the chars in the surounding area,  
> lock the
> screen, update the field contents with the areas text  
> representation and set
> all the image ids, then unlock.
>
> Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template  
> of 9 tile
> size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what  
> imagadata to
> set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well  
> as I will
> only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the  
> datagrid
> will handle which rows are displayed.
>
> Other methods? At this point i'm not even really worried about  
> collisions or
> anything of that nature.  And  I'm still determining if the map  
> should bind
> edge to edge (making around the world trips possible)
>
> Any and all hints would be welcome.
> Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 22:13:29 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:13:29 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <BA23C792-B97F-41C9-862B-7427D99F15C9@swcp.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA23C792-B97F-41C9-862B-7427D99F15C9@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Zc=VvEWwmogJm+qY-5v7vPY5QBKna2YtRaG+M@mail.gmail.com>

3/4 view?  Same as iso view?

Oh cool, just looked up toroid (didn't know what it was believe it or not)
got a visual of how that would work now, thx!

Setting things up with buttons now, and simply using labels to mark terrain
types for the moment so I can get a basic movement system running, still
looking at graphics options.  Thanks much for your pointers.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> You might consider using buttons, not for any button functionality, but to
> reference images.  Lay those out as you need.  They will be in the same
> coordinates as your sprites and arrows and things.  You can butt those
> against each other.  Adjust the margins if buttons have them.
>
> If you go to 3/4 view, tiling will still work and you can even have a
> little overlap.  Just layer them right.
>
> Your game world might be a toroid.  That is, left and right wrap and up and
> down wrap.
>
> Dar Scott
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>  Finally am getting back on my feet(health stuff, long story) and want to
>> try
>> and learn some new things.
>>
>> I'm looking at making a very simple overhead view rpg, and my thought was
>> to
>> use tilesets and set the imagesource of the chars to the desired tile
>> based
>> on letter. (meaing w for wall, f for floor b for building etc)  The
>> viewport
>> will be a small 9x9 area with the current 'map' held in a variable.
>>
>> Before I go too far down this path, does anyone have any
>> tips/pointers/warnings or better direction for me to go?  My thinking was
>> track the current position of the character against the map file, then on
>> move, update the char postion (which will always be centered in the
>> viewport) and use that to get the chars in the surounding area, lock the
>> screen, update the field contents with the areas text representation and
>> set
>> all the image ids, then unlock.
>>
>> Would a datagrid be a better method for this? With a row template of 9
>> tile
>> size images viewing 9 rows, and use fillindata to choose what imagadata to
>> set each row tile to.. I was thinking this might work pretty well as I
>> will
>> only have to worry about the charoffset for each data row, and the
>> datagrid
>> will handle which rows are displayed.
>>
>> Other methods? At this point i'm not even really worried about collisions
>> or
>> anything of that nature.  And  I'm still determining if the map should
>> bind
>> edge to edge (making around the world trips possible)
>>
>> Any and all hints would be welcome.
>> Thanks!
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
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>> subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Sep 23 22:24:24 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:24:24 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Zc=VvEWwmogJm+qY-5v7vPY5QBKna2YtRaG+M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA23C792-B97F-41C9-862B-7427D99F15C9@swcp.com>
	<AANLkTi=Zc=VvEWwmogJm+qY-5v7vPY5QBKna2YtRaG+M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <922B66D4-053B-4110-9CBD-EA64A3E06A46@swcp.com>


On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> 3/4 view?  Same as iso view?

Probably, I don't know where I came up with 3/4.

You don't have to do any math or perspective, just draw each tile as  
seen looking down but a bit looking (say) north.

Dar


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 22:46:52 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:46:52 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <922B66D4-053B-4110-9CBD-EA64A3E06A46@swcp.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA23C792-B97F-41C9-862B-7427D99F15C9@swcp.com>
	<AANLkTi=Zc=VvEWwmogJm+qY-5v7vPY5QBKna2YtRaG+M@mail.gmail.com>
	<922B66D4-053B-4110-9CBD-EA64A3E06A46@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKT9ZBCnZ5SnN+yaajRQ8f2YFLSOm3jHb3+V_Y@mail.gmail.com>

K gotcha.  And then layer the button positions so that things work out once
the tiles are set. I -think- I understand how this will work.  Going back to
play more.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>  3/4 view?  Same as iso view?
>>
>
> Probably, I don't know where I came up with 3/4.
>
> You don't have to do any math or perspective, just draw each tile as seen
> looking down but a bit looking (say) north.
>
> Dar
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 01:15:56 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:15:56 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKT9ZBCnZ5SnN+yaajRQ8f2YFLSOm3jHb3+V_Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA23C792-B97F-41C9-862B-7427D99F15C9@swcp.com>
	<AANLkTi=Zc=VvEWwmogJm+qY-5v7vPY5QBKna2YtRaG+M@mail.gmail.com>
	<922B66D4-053B-4110-9CBD-EA64A3E06A46@swcp.com>
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Thank you all for the help.  It's not pretty yet, but I now have a 9x9 grid
that does wrap scrolling using the arrow keys, sets 1 of 2 possible tiles
for each square based on current position, and it even seems to run decently
fast.  So far the data isn't coming from an array, just from a flat list,
but it's working!  No iso view yet, only using the 2 very simple tiles, but
its a definate step!  Thanks a ton!

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> K gotcha.  And then layer the button positions so that things work out once
> the tiles are set. I -think- I understand how this will work.  Going back to
> play more.
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>
>>  3/4 view?  Same as iso view?
>>>
>>
>> Probably, I don't know where I came up with 3/4.
>>
>> You don't have to do any math or perspective, just draw each tile as seen
>> looking down but a bit looking (say) north.
>>
>> Dar
>>
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Sep 24 02:20:51 2010
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:20:51 -0400
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
Message-ID: <B58BC694-EA2D-4AB0-967D-A0F2C2D2B384@wehostmacs.com>

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4295

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1053


scroll through the second and there is a link for the full source code  
to the game.. I tried it out a while back and it seemed pretty nifty  
and you can probably get some pointers and tips from the code..


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 02:33:54 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:33:54 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <B58BC694-EA2D-4AB0-967D-A0F2C2D2B384@wehostmacs.com>
References: <B58BC694-EA2D-4AB0-967D-A0F2C2D2B384@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQ9eQBPj7wBauajzp9WAte07y82hpr1MNLf3bX@mail.gmail.com>

Very cool, thanks for links, have downloaded the source for g2, can't wait
to start digging through it. It's hit half past braindead-oclock here, night
all, and thx again.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:

> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4295
>
> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1053
>
>
> scroll through the second and there is a link for the full source code to
> the game.. I tried it out a while back and it seemed pretty nifty and you
> can probably get some pointers and tips from the code..
>
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From bantymom at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 03:05:19 2010
From: bantymom at yahoo.com (Bantymom)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <C8C0FE18.14CCA%kevin@runrev.com>
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This is the first time I have replied to a uselist and I hope I have done it
correctly. If not, just let me know what I did wrong and I will do better
next time. I'm afraid I am more used to Invisionfree forums.
Kevin Miller wrote:
> 
> On 23/09/2010 01:43, "Robert Mann" <rman at free.fr> wrote:
> Just to be clear here - we do have a scolarship program for K-12 and
> aren't
> going to be turning away anyone in that group who doesn't have a budget
> for
> a license. We'll be putting some more extensive pages up about that in the
> coming days but it is already up there. You do have to ask but we'll
> streamline the process to be simple.
> 

Thank you! I look forward to more information. I have only just started on
my first stack with revMedia and was at first despondent to learn that it no
longer existed. StackRunner might solve my problem of running my projects
for my 2nd-graders, but I am hoping my school will let me work with the
older GATE kids at our school.

If it is allowed, I would also like to reply to the statement that
California spends more money per child than any other state. That is not
true. When I was in school, it might have been true, but that was an
exceedingly long time ago. Recently, Mississippi, Arkansas, or Alabama used
to be at the bottom of the list for spending/student. California used to be
48th. We are now 50th. It is confusing because if a district is in an area
with high property taxes, they make enough to support their schools on their
own and receive no money from the state (and so slashing the State education
budget does not effect the money they have to spend at all). All other
districts that are not in areas with high property taxes have the amount
they can raise augmented by the state up to a minimum level and no more. 
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From shadow.slash at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 03:23:56 2010
From: shadow.slash at yahoo.com (Shadow Slash)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I feel betrayed
In-Reply-To: <1285311919797-2553115.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <562493.2471.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

OFF-TOPIC:
Hello bantymom! Glad to see you here in Use-Rev. I noticed you used Nabble to reply to our emails. Just to let you know, you can receive and send your own "posts" at the ease of your email. I am doing the same over here. Seeing that you have a Yahoo! Mail, you can just create a folder and a custom email filter so that all your Use-Revolution emails are concentrated into one folder. :)
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--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Bantymom <bantymom at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bantymom <bantymom at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: I feel betrayed
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 7:05 AM
> 
> This is the first time I have replied to a uselist and I
> hope I have done it
> correctly. If not, just let me know what I did wrong and I
> will do better
> next time. I'm afraid I am more used to Invisionfree
> forums.





From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 03:49:36 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpu4nAoPYqyp1Qkms2d=oO_1-pTxKgDHZH34Nh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
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I don't kow this... I send a email.

Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 03:56:39 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=17Z7-yS0kRPxg3-HeKzLZqE_kv6=AoXvjoF58@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I ever meshed with the upgraded foldersme... :/

I download the ssbk and work like a charm.

Salut,
Josep
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Sep 24 06:07:24 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:07:24 +0100
Subject: Deployment issues: sqlite?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKkiuY31J6S15sahjaEUeF6J5PQ59w3-htoCtE@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested in the experience of people deploying Rev / LiveCode based
app that use sqlite databases. What issues do you get when deploying to the
various platforms? Is Linux OK?

Also I'd like to provide an IDE plugin that creates and uses an sqlite
database - this complicates things as the different IDE versions will have
different driver versions, and pervious versions di have a number of bugs as
far as I could tell - Livecode 4.5 seems to have fixed a good number of
these. However, I'm not planning on doing anything fancy, so having an idea
of how well basic sqlite functionality worked out of the box in earlier
IDE's would give some encouragement. How has your experience been with Rev
and sqlite on your platform?


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Sep 24 06:20:13 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:20:13 +1000
Subject: Deployment issues: sqlite?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikKkiuY31J6S15sahjaEUeF6J5PQ59w3-htoCtE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikKkiuY31J6S15sahjaEUeF6J5PQ59w3-htoCtE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30CE8309-F0EF-43C7-A481-1188A860BCEC@sweattechnologies.com>


On 24/09/2010, at 8:07 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm interested in the experience of people deploying Rev / LiveCode based
> app that use sqlite databases. What issues do you get when deploying to the
> various platforms? Is Linux OK?
> 
> Also I'd like to provide an IDE plugin that creates and uses an sqlite
> database - this complicates things as the different IDE versions will have
> different driver versions, and pervious versions di have a number of bugs as
> far as I could tell - Livecode 4.5 seems to have fixed a good number of
> these. However, I'm not planning on doing anything fancy, so having an idea
> of how well basic sqlite functionality worked out of the box in earlier
> IDE's would give some encouragement. How has your experience been with Rev
> and sqlite on your platform?

I've been using the sqlite driver since it was an altuit product. There were a few teething problems in the early versions but nothing major for years. I don't know about linux issues though. As long as people aren't jumping backwards and forwards into different ide's with your plugin trying to access the one file then I don't think you will have much trouble. I guess you will have to remember it's possible to have multiple instances of the IDE running etc.

Cheers

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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 09:04:44 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQ9eQBPj7wBauajzp9WAte07y82hpr1MNLf3bX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikQ9eQBPj7wBauajzp9WAte07y82hpr1MNLf3bX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285333484216-2553442.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Mike,

Download this stack, too:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip

After you change the names of variables and controls to a
namespace familiar to your coding style, this script could
be useful and, hopefully, optimized for general use. :-D

Have a nice weekend!

Al 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 09:30:17 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:30:17 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <1285333484216-2553442.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
	<B58BC694-EA2D-4AB0-967D-A0F2C2D2B384@wehostmacs.com>
	<AANLkTikQ9eQBPj7wBauajzp9WAte07y82hpr1MNLf3bX@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you very much! Lots of stuff way over my head so far, but i'll stick
with it till I get it.  By the way, 'wrap' is very helpful for this sort of
thing.

Side question, if I wanted to use aerial style photos for my tiles, there is
a method to set the initial graphic up so that it will 'mesh' with itself on
any edge.  This is just a simple right/left, up/down duplication with a
reverse and flip right? (sounds like i'm describing a dive) at which point
the consolidated image can be split into tile sized chunks and assigned
locations. And while on the subject, does anyone know of a utility that will
split a large image into chucks based on a grid?  Meaning cut it into 40x40
chunks, and save each chunk with positional name for easy re-assembly.

Thanks for all the help again all.


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Download this stack, too:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip
>
> After you change the names of variables and controls to a
> namespace familiar to your coding style, this script could
> be useful and, hopefully, optimized for general use. :-D
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> Al
> --
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Sep 24 09:31:01 2010
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:31:01 -0400
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
In-Reply-To: <1285314576692-2553157.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
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His SMTP controls look pretty cool. I hope he will release them soon.
Quite a slogan too.


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 09:36:46 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:36:46 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>

Is there a way that a process of some sort can be implemented while a 
script is running?

I answered a question in the forums where someone wanted a way to enable a 
button when a certain condition was met. I set up a recursive "send in time" 
handler. The stack operates normally, and when a script might attain that 
condition, the button property was set. Usual stuff.

But my question goes way back to HC. If the condition was met while a 
script is running, the change would not be detected until the handler finished.   
This was always normal.

In other words:

1- Say the condition of interest was that a custom property ("myProp") of a 
button was the number 50.
2- I initialize that button property to empty.
3- I set up a recursive "send in time" handler to check the property. It 
runs happily "in the background", does its thing whenever it sees that the 
property is set to 50, and then exits. Well and good.
4- I set up a repeat loop somewhere:

repeat with y = 1 to 100
   set the "myProp" of myButton to y
end repeat

So the property becomes 50 fairly soon, but the "send in time" handler 
won't see that fact until the repeat loop (and its handler itself, of course) 
ends. Did I mention I thought this was normal behavior?

Is there a way to "interrupt", or rather, "interrogate", the repeat loop? I 
am not talking about checking the property within that running code.

I assume not.

Thanks,

Craig Newman


From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 09:56:43 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:56:43 -0400
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinn5XQjRoxv1c8EHNi9LGKi-H554gJNBkk2y7my@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
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For the part about setting up the graphic, what it sounds like you are after
is typically referred to as making seamless tiles.  In many graphic programs
there is an "offset filter".  I think you are describing the gist, a 50%
horizontal and vertical offset, and then you smooth out the imperfections
along the two central axis afterwards using a clone tool, or smudge or
blur....

There are many tutorials/explanations around once you know the term you are
looking for..

Here is one:

http://www.cadtutor.net/dd/photo/seamless/seamless.html

Wayne

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much! Lots of stuff way over my head so far, but i'll stick
> with it till I get it.  By the way, 'wrap' is very helpful for this sort of
> thing.
>
> Side question, if I wanted to use aerial style photos for my tiles, there
> is
> a method to set the initial graphic up so that it will 'mesh' with itself
> on
> any edge.  This is just a simple right/left, up/down duplication with a
> reverse and flip right? (sounds like i'm describing a dive) at which point
> the consolidated image can be split into tile sized chunks and assigned
> locations. And while on the subject, does anyone know of a utility that
> will
> split a large image into chucks based on a grid?  Meaning cut it into 40x40
> chunks, and save each chunk with positional name for easy re-assembly.
>
> Thanks for all the help again all.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Download this stack, too:
> >
> > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip
> >
> > After you change the names of variables and controls to a
> > namespace familiar to your coding style, this script could
> > be useful and, hopefully, optimized for general use. :-D
> >
> > Have a nice weekend!
> >
> > Al
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Hopefully-a-simple-question-tp2552934p2553442.html
> > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 10:00:18 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:00:18 -0600
Subject: Hopefully a simple question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=P2hCWeFK-jAdvXk+No8OCz0agzF6Au8HePjxi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXtuz-jRnqpP5Vf64ZH3B+NpAB70JQL54mzVY-@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UmaiEHQ97tK1wrCz9KuwFjiTJRpiUgzn4J5m=@mail.gmail.com>

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you again!

Alejandro, thanks for the walkingman stack, I may actually be able to wrap
my head around that one.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:56 AM, wayne durden <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:

> For the part about setting up the graphic, what it sounds like you are
> after
> is typically referred to as making seamless tiles.  In many graphic
> programs
> there is an "offset filter".  I think you are describing the gist, a 50%
> horizontal and vertical offset, and then you smooth out the imperfections
> along the two central axis afterwards using a clone tool, or smudge or
> blur....
>
> There are many tutorials/explanations around once you know the term you are
> looking for..
>
> Here is one:
>
> http://www.cadtutor.net/dd/photo/seamless/seamless.html
>
> Wayne
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you very much! Lots of stuff way over my head so far, but i'll
> stick
> > with it till I get it.  By the way, 'wrap' is very helpful for this sort
> of
> > thing.
> >
> > Side question, if I wanted to use aerial style photos for my tiles, there
> > is
> > a method to set the initial graphic up so that it will 'mesh' with itself
> > on
> > any edge.  This is just a simple right/left, up/down duplication with a
> > reverse and flip right? (sounds like i'm describing a dive) at which
> point
> > the consolidated image can be split into tile sized chunks and assigned
> > locations. And while on the subject, does anyone know of a utility that
> > will
> > split a large image into chucks based on a grid?  Meaning cut it into
> 40x40
> > chunks, and save each chunk with positional name for easy re-assembly.
> >
> > Thanks for all the help again all.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Alejandro Tejada <
> capellan2000 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > Download this stack, too:
> > >
> > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip
> > >
> > > After you change the names of variables and controls to a
> > > namespace familiar to your coding style, this script could
> > > be useful and, hopefully, optimized for general use. :-D
> > >
> > > Have a nice weekend!
> > >
> > > Al
> > > --
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> > >
> >
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 10:14:26 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:14:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1285337666280-2553532.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Dunbar,

I do not have LiveCode installed in this computer, so i could not
test the following idea:

Why not make both, the process and the script, to depend
from an external source, for running and, then they call
each other?

For example, both runs only if certain fixed time has passed
or some variable has been changed or the mouse position has
changed, etc... and when one script runs and finish, it call the
other process for updating. Then, the process call the script
and viceversa.

How feasible is this idea to keep both (the process and the script)
running at the same time?


Al


dunbarx wrote:
> 
> Is there a way that a process of some sort can be implemented while a 
> script is running?
> 
> I answered a question in the forums where someone wanted a way to enable a 
> button when a certain condition was met. I set up a recursive "send in
> time" 
> handler. The stack operates normally, and when a script might attain that 
> condition, the button property was set. Usual stuff.
> 
> But my question goes way back to HC. If the condition was met while a 
> script is running, the change would not be detected until the handler
> finished.   
> This was always normal.
> 
> In other words:
> 
> 1- Say the condition of interest was that a custom property ("myProp") of
> a 
> button was the number 50.
> 2- I initialize that button property to empty.
> 3- I set up a recursive "send in time" handler to check the property. It 
> runs happily "in the background", does its thing whenever it sees that the 
> property is set to 50, and then exits. Well and good.
> 4- I set up a repeat loop somewhere:
> 
> repeat with y = 1 to 100
>    set the "myProp" of myButton to y
> end repeat
> 
> So the property becomes 50 fairly soon, but the "send in time" handler 
> won't see that fact until the repeat loop (and its handler itself, of
> course) 
> ends. Did I mention I thought this was normal behavior?
> 
> Is there a way to "interrupt", or rather, "interrogate", the repeat loop?
> I 
> am not talking about checking the property within that running code.
> 
> I assume not.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 24 10:21:29 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:21:29 -0300
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhOMkcOyq3xVH=E4KS8fNN-cTrmpDGuSm6u4oO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<1285314576692-2553157.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinhOMkcOyq3xVH=E4KS8fNN-cTrmpDGuSm6u4oO@mail.gmail.com>
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err... folks, Shao Sean is a dudette and not a dude...

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM, william humphrey <
bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> His SMTP controls look pretty cool. I hope he will release them soon.
> Quite a slogan too.
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Sep 24 10:34:47 2010
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:34:47 +0200
Subject: Where can I found the Shaosean libs?
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References: <1285283946309-2552883.post@n4.nabble.com>
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On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> err... folks, Shao Sean is a dudette and not a dude...

I think Scott or Richard explained "Dude" being for both... One of those California things I guess.

But yes, Shao Sean, her code rocks!

[Little Andre's running around... phew! I wish I could set up a streaming video of the wedding over the internet for you... that would be cool   ;-)   Congrats Andre!!]

sims







From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 10:57:34 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:57:34 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <52a94.324f6e50.39ce165e@aol.com>

Al.

But this is the way it runs now, and perfectly well, though only in one 
direction as you laid it out. The background process is live all the time. The 
stack does its thing.

I was only concerned if there was a way, however odd, to interrogate a 
running script from the outside. This occurred to me because it might be a long 
time before a working script ends, and it might be useful to know the 
condition was achieved right when it happened.

So when that loop hit 50, somehow there might be a way to know that fact 
without something in the script itself telling you. I don't think it can be 
done, the way I understand the event-driven paradigm.

Craig


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 10:59:36 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:59:36 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <52d1f.573676f6.39ce16d8@aol.com>

Al.

But this is the way it runs now, and perfectly well, though only in one 
direction as you laid it out. The background process is live all the time. The 
stack does its thing.

I was only concerned if there was a way, however odd, to interrogate a 
running script from the outside. This occurred to me because it might be a long 
time before a working script ends, and it might be useful to know the 
condition was achieved right when it happened.

So when that loop hit 50, somehow there might be a way to know that fact 
without something in the script itself telling you. I don't think it can be 
done, the way I understand the event-driven paradigm.

Craig


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 11:31:37 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:31:37 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/10 8:36 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Is there a way to "interrupt", or rather, "interrogate", the repeat loop? I
> am not talking about checking the property within that running code.

I think what you want is:

   wait 1 millisecond with messages

Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do all 
the same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will catch any 
pending messages that have happened.

-- 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 12:12:18 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:12:18 +0200
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <52a94.324f6e50.39ce165e@aol.com>
References: <52a94.324f6e50.39ce165e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikemXmmhDJRgOsDXn4Tj+CQoSUB-_u_dKAApBz8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:57 PM,  <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> Al.
>
> But this is the way it runs now, and perfectly well, though only in one
> direction as you laid it out. The background process is live all the time. The
> stack does its thing.
>
> I was only concerned if there was a way, however odd, to interrogate a
> running script from the outside. This occurred to me because it might be a long
> time before a working script ends, and it might be useful to know the
> condition was achieved right when it happened.
>
> So when that loop hit 50, somehow there might be a way to know that fact
> without something in the script itself telling you. I don't think it can be
> done, the way I understand the event-driven paradigm.
>
> Craig

Is something like this stack experiment you need?
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=15:experiment-017-pending-message-observer&id=3:samples&Itemid=63

In the stack I have dropped 3 buttons.
1) A button to launch a send in time message. The message increments a counter
2) A button to launch a send in time message which observe the state
of the first pendingmessage and its counter
3) A button to stop the two messages

A field gives you the state of the counter when the observer is launched.
You can define the number of iterations in a field.


Regards,
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 12:15:46 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:15:46 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
	<4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=KYheVBay7XoCSMP+9XPFKm1_gwXPrXxykquu@mail.gmail.com>

Remind me, can you actually check a property of an object while a handler
that sets the property is running? It works fine when setting a variable,
but I can't make it work when repeatedly changing a property in a repeat
loop.  (I suspect it would work if it was a send in time that set the
property, correct?)


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:31 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 9/24/10 8:36 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>
>  Is there a way to "interrupt", or rather, "interrogate", the repeat loop?
>> I
>> am not talking about checking the property within that running code.
>>
>
> I think what you want is:
>
>  wait 1 millisecond with messages
>
> Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do all the
> same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will catch any pending
> messages that have happened.
>
> --
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 12:18:08 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:18:08 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=KYheVBay7XoCSMP+9XPFKm1_gwXPrXxykquu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
	<4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTin=KYheVBay7XoCSMP+9XPFKm1_gwXPrXxykquu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaPQASc2X+kYJF0nexCE8sMz3EbaiHxgmcH4eq@mail.gmail.com>

Nevermind, it works fine. Have no clue why I couldn't make it work the first
5 times I tried it.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Remind me, can you actually check a property of an object while a handler
> that sets the property is running? It works fine when setting a variable,
> but I can't make it work when repeatedly changing a property in a repeat
> loop.  (I suspect it would work if it was a send in time that set the
> property, correct?)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:31 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>
>> On 9/24/10 8:36 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>  Is there a way to "interrupt", or rather, "interrogate", the repeat loop?
>>> I
>>> am not talking about checking the property within that running code.
>>>
>>
>> I think what you want is:
>>
>>  wait 1 millisecond with messages
>>
>> Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do all
>> the same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will catch any pending
>> messages that have happened.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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>
>


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 12:52:27 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
	<4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1285347147503-2553743.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Jacque,


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> I think what you want is:
> 
>    wait 1 millisecond with messages
> 
> Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do all 
> the same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will catch any 
> pending messages that have happened.
> 

About this new information on the engine's behavior,
(at least for me) i will like to know if:

a) It was written elsewhere on the dictionary/webpages or 
b) Did you get it directly from Runrev or
c) it's result of personal observation and experimentation?


Thanks in advance! :-)

Al
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From michael at michaelsmanias.com  Fri Sep 24 13:05:33 2010
From: michael at michaelsmanias.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:05:33 -0500
Subject: Line Wrapping and Margins
Message-ID: <06DF9442-7F63-483F-AE12-13A45E9D7098@michaelsmanias.com>

Hi,

How can I tell where (at what position or character) a line wraps in a  field?

If I have a word which has a length greater than the width of the field it is contained in, how can I get it to wrap anywhere other than at the end of the word?


Thanks,
Michael

From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 13:15:54 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:15:54 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>

Jacques, et al.

The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But that 
code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way, 
all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can 
read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you can, but 
only from within the handler.

I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a 
running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it cannot.

Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes 
as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some 
externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler 
variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be 
interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I am not sure 
about other procedural languages.

This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on 
his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could 
create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit that 
bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be 
covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the handler still 
had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition could 
not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think 
that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the 
handler while it was running.

Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?

Craig


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 13:19:38 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:19:38 EDT
Subject: Line Wrapping and Margins
Message-ID: <5bb93.6e865455.39ce37aa@aol.com>

Check out the formattedText in the dictionary.

Craig Newman


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep 24 13:21:15 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:21:15 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7tPStXqOgyqE=WokJQwiRcyE6H9NU0-hG1g+A@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't there something in the 'new' externals interface that can share rev
globals, or pass a handle to a memory block? I'm talking out of my hat here.

On 24 September 2010 10:15, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> Jacques, et al.
>
> The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But that
> code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
> all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
> read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you can,
> but
> only from within the handler.
>
> I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
> cannot.
>
> Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
> as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
> externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
> variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
> interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I
> am not sure
> about other procedural languages.
>
> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit
> that
> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
> handler still
> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
> could
> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
> handler while it was running.
>
> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>
> Craig
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep 24 13:26:57 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:26:57 +0200
Subject: Line Wrapping and Margins
In-Reply-To: <06DF9442-7F63-483F-AE12-13A45E9D7098@michaelsmanias.com>
References: <06DF9442-7F63-483F-AE12-13A45E9D7098@michaelsmanias.com>
Message-ID: <ADAD5C34-1744-4423-BFF9-A4797BC71B1D@economy-x-talk.com>

Michael,

That should be something like this:

if the formattedWidth of word 1 to x of line y of fld z > the width of fld z - item 1 of the margins of fld z - item 3 of the margins of fld z then
  put cr after word x of line y of fld z
end if

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On 24 sep 2010, at 19:05, Michael D Mays wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How can I tell where (at what position or character) a line wraps in a  field?
> 
> If I have a word which has a length greater than the width of the field it is contained in, how can I get it to wrap anywhere other than at the end of the word?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 13:28:15 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:28:15 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C9CDFAF.1040403@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/10 12:15 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it cannot.

I see now. I think until we get threading, you can't.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 13:30:00 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:30:00 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <1285347147503-2553743.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<1285347147503-2553743.post@n4.nabble.com>
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On 9/24/10 11:52 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> About this new information on the engine's behavior,
> (at least for me) i will like to know if:
>
> a) It was written elsewhere on the dictionary/webpages or
> b) Did you get it directly from Runrev or
> c) it's result of personal observation and experimentation?

It isn't really new, it's been there for years. It is documented in the 
dictionary in the entry for "wait".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 13:33:18 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:33:18 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimE_QYKnX4R5DSQRVPTb382w6bgp-WNW2VP96wt@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't this what your'e asking..

Put the following script in button 1
local tRunning
on mouseUp
   if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
   put not tRunning into tRunning
   set the label of me to "Running: " & tRunning
   put 1 into tCount
   repeat while tRunning
      wait 1 millisecond with messages
      set the myProp of me to tCount
      put (tCount + 1) wrap 100 into tCount
   end repeat
end mouseUp

And this following script in button 2
local tRunning
on mouseUp
   if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
   put not tRunning into tRunning
   set the label of me to "Scanning: " & tRunning
   send checkState to me in 1 millisecond
end mouseUp

command checkstate
   if tRunning then
      if the myProp of button 1 > 50 then
         set the enabled of button 1 to false
      else
         set the enabled of button 1 to true
      end if
      send "checkState" to me in 1 millisecond

   end if
end checkstate

Click button 1 to start it looping.
Click button 2 to start it scanning.
Button 2 will toggle the state of button 1 based on the current value of
myProp with a send in time. Will it work if button 2 is a repeat loop also?
Not sure

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> Jacques, et al.
>
> The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But that
> code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
> all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
> read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you can,
> but
> only from within the handler.
>
> I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
> cannot.
>
> Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
> as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
> externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
> variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
> interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I
> am not sure
> about other procedural languages.
>
> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit
> that
> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
> handler still
> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
> could
> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
> handler while it was running.
>
> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>
> Craig
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 13:46:25 2010
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:46:25 -0700
Subject: Read from file not working 4.5?
Message-ID: <015030F9-8560-4561-BFE7-37DB5181621D@mac.com>

Hi All...

I have a stack that reads a text file and puts that text in a card  
fld. It works in 4.0, but when I open the same stack in 4.5 LiveCode  
it does not work?


Here is the simple script:

on openStack
    put the defaultFolder into tFilePath
    open window "data" of stack "Data"
    put tFilePath&"/"&"imageData" into tTargetToOpen
    open file tTargetToOpen
    read from file tTargetToOpen until EOF
    put it into cd fld "data" of cd 1 of Stack "data"
end openStack


What am i missing here for this not to work in 4.5?

Thank you!

John Patten


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 13:49:55 2010
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:49:55 -0400
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimE_QYKnX4R5DSQRVPTb382w6bgp-WNW2VP96wt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
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One way to simulate a repeat loop would be to have something like this:

on myHandler
  Do whatever the handler does
  send testForStateChange in 0 milleseconds
  send myHandler to me in 100 milliseconds
end if
on TestForStateChange
  Do whatever needs to be done for the test
  if tTest = tRequirement then
    exit to top
  end if
end TestForStateChange


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't this what your'e asking..
>
> Put the following script in button 1
> local tRunning
> on mouseUp
>   if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
>   put not tRunning into tRunning
>   set the label of me to "Running: " & tRunning
>   put 1 into tCount
>   repeat while tRunning
>      wait 1 millisecond with messages
>      set the myProp of me to tCount
>      put (tCount + 1) wrap 100 into tCount
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
> And this following script in button 2
> local tRunning
> on mouseUp
>   if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
>   put not tRunning into tRunning
>   set the label of me to "Scanning: " & tRunning
>   send checkState to me in 1 millisecond
> end mouseUp
>
> command checkstate
>   if tRunning then
>      if the myProp of button 1 > 50 then
>         set the enabled of button 1 to false
>      else
>         set the enabled of button 1 to true
>      end if
>      send "checkState" to me in 1 millisecond
>
>   end if
> end checkstate
>
> Click button 1 to start it looping.
> Click button 2 to start it scanning.
> Button 2 will toggle the state of button 1 based on the current value of
> myProp with a send in time. Will it work if button 2 is a repeat loop also?
> Not sure
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Jacques, et al.
> >
> > The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But
> that
> > code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
> > all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
> > read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you
> can,
> > but
> > only from within the handler.
> >
> > I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> > running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
> > cannot.
> >
> > Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state
> changes
> > as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from
> some
> > externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
> > variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
> > interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world.
> I
> > am not sure
> > about other procedural languages.
> >
> > This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> > his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> > create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler
> fit
> > that
> > bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> > covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
> > handler still
> > had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
> > could
> > not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> > that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside
> the
> > handler while it was running.
> >
> > Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
> >
> > Craig
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 13:50:46 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:50:46 -0400
Subject: Read from file not working 4.5?
In-Reply-To: <015030F9-8560-4561-BFE7-37DB5181621D@mac.com>
References: <015030F9-8560-4561-BFE7-37DB5181621D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim44zJs7iTnjkgf7YZQgyz-wbYd6AVqqmMuY1xR@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

It is not at the level of it not opening text files because my apps which do
that in 4.0 also do in LiveCode 4.5.

My suspicion is that the default folder may not now be what you think it
is...stick a put line or two into the script to put the defaultfolder or
TtargetToOpen into the message box to check that the path in the script is
what you think it is supposed to be.

Again my suspicion is that the default folder is no longer the same...

Wayne


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:46 PM, John Patten <johnpatten at mac.com> wrote:

> Hi All...
>
> I have a stack that reads a text file and puts that text in a card fld. It
> works in 4.0, but when I open the same stack in 4.5 LiveCode it does not
> work?
>
>
> Here is the simple script:
>
> on openStack
>   put the defaultFolder into tFilePath
>   open window "data" of stack "Data"
>   put tFilePath&"/"&"imageData" into tTargetToOpen
>   open file tTargetToOpen
>   read from file tTargetToOpen until EOF
>   put it into cd fld "data" of cd 1 of Stack "data"
> end openStack
>
>
> What am i missing here for this not to work in 4.5?
>
> Thank you!
>
> John Patten
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 24 13:57:13 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:57:13 -0700
Subject: Read from file not working 4.5?
Message-ID: <4C9CE679.9070401@fourthworld.com>

wayne durden wrote:
> My suspicion is that the default folder may not now be what you think it
> is...stick a put line or two into the script to put the defaultfolder or
> TtargetToOpen into the message box to check that the path in the script is
> what you think it is supposed to be.

I think you may be right.  Because any script can change it at any time, 
I tend not to rely on the default folder and instead build full paths on 
the fly as needed.   If I do use the default folder, it's only when I 
set it myself so I know exactly what it is.

This AppPath function may be helpful for building paths relative to the 
application stack in both the IDE and in a standalone:

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2002-September/002553.html>

--
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  Fourth World
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From michael at michaelsmanias.com  Fri Sep 24 13:57:38 2010
From: michael at michaelsmanias.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:57:38 -0500
Subject: Line Wrapping and Margins
In-Reply-To: <ADAD5C34-1744-4423-BFF9-A4797BC71B1D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <06DF9442-7F63-483F-AE12-13A45E9D7098@michaelsmanias.com>
	<ADAD5C34-1744-4423-BFF9-A4797BC71B1D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <12B83191-096F-4183-96CA-AB6F396B9A52@michaelsmanias.com>

Thanks Mark and Craig,

That's what I need.
Unfortunately that property doesn't show up in the dictionary as a property of a field (only a button) so it makes it a little hard to find. :(
And the syntax example for formatedWidth some punctuation.

Michael


On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> That should be something like this:
> 
> if the formattedWidth of word 1 to x of line y of fld z > the width of fld z - item 1 of the margins of fld z - item 3 of the margins of fld z then
>  put cr after word x of line y of fld z
> end if
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
> 
> On 24 sep 2010, at 19:05, Michael D Mays wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> How can I tell where (at what position or character) a line wraps in a  field?
>> 
>> If I have a word which has a length greater than the width of the field it is contained in, how can I get it to wrap anywhere other than at the end of the word?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:03:03 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:03:03 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimE_QYKnX4R5DSQRVPTb382w6bgp-WNW2VP96wt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
	<AANLkTimE_QYKnX4R5DSQRVPTb382w6bgp-WNW2VP96wt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqM7jxV-QZ3cOzsis7uGgAnMk0k5yu1fX8g9NB@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, external process.  If its on osx, possible to do an appleevent check?
Like one of these in rev.
send "whatyouwanttocheck" to program "programname"

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't this what your'e asking..
>
> Put the following script in button 1
> local tRunning
> on mouseUp
>    if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
>    put not tRunning into tRunning
>    set the label of me to "Running: " & tRunning
>    put 1 into tCount
>    repeat while tRunning
>
>       wait 1 millisecond with messages
>       set the myProp of me to tCount
>       put (tCount + 1) wrap 100 into tCount
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
> And this following script in button 2
> local tRunning
> on mouseUp
>    if tRunning is empty then put false into tRunning
>    put not tRunning into tRunning
>    set the label of me to "Scanning: " & tRunning
>    send checkState to me in 1 millisecond
> end mouseUp
>
> command checkstate
>    if tRunning then
>       if the myProp of button 1 > 50 then
>          set the enabled of button 1 to false
>       else
>          set the enabled of button 1 to true
>       end if
>       send "checkState" to me in 1 millisecond
>
>    end if
> end checkstate
>
> Click button 1 to start it looping.
> Click button 2 to start it scanning.
> Button 2 will toggle the state of button 1 based on the current value of
> myProp with a send in time. Will it work if button 2 is a repeat loop also?
> Not sure
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Jacques, et al.
>>
>> The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But
>> that
>> code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
>> all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
>> read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you
>> can, but
>> only from within the handler.
>>
>> I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
>> running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
>> cannot.
>>
>> Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
>> as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
>> externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
>> variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
>> interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I
>> am not sure
>> about other procedural languages.
>>
>> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
>> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
>> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler
>> fit that
>> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
>> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
>> handler still
>> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
>> could
>> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
>> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside
>> the
>> handler while it was running.
>>
>> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>>
>> Craig
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:03:52 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:03:52 +0300
Subject: Primary Level children, programming and conceptual difficulties.
In-Reply-To: <7E44D48E-49F1-4611-9270-1890F6B9D7D3@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <921F834B-D9CA-498E-9505-6A0ED5A64AE3@sweattechnologies.com>	<94C0B144-0B45-4D0E-AC57-9C822F58F09F@elementarysoftware.com>	<4C9B3C65.9050101@gmail.com>
	<7E44D48E-49F1-4611-9270-1890F6B9D7D3@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4C9CE808.2050709@gmail.com>

  <snip>
> That's gold Richmond. I'm going to try it with my 7 year old.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Monte Goulding
<snip>

Piaget and Co. developed a model of psychological development where the 
last step
was from the 'concrete' into the 'post-concrete' (and before you all 
crack jokes about
"concrete posts"; been there, done that); where this represented the 
ability to think
abstractly.

Schools (particularly here in Bulgaria) are notoriously bad at 
stimulating that developmental
leap . . .

To be a semi-decent programmer (as well as being a semi-decent anything 
else) one has to
make that conceptual leap.

Children can make that leap relatively young, although in a restricted 
sense.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Many long years ago I had a Maths teacher who started rambling on about 
'containers' for
variables, and then started writing MiniFortran code all over the 
blackboard - but as I was
13 I was perfectly capable of making the conceptual leap in a way that a 
7-10 year is not.

I have, however, met many people my age (48) who are still unable to 
make those sort
of conceptual leaps; this is not due to some sort of "innate stupidity", 
but due to what we could
term "learnt stupidity" owing to the absolutely stultifying effects of 
bad education and
fact-hammering.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

However, as my Granny in Dundee used to say; "A picture is worth a 
thousand words."

And it is . . .

So it is not a bad idea to have a lot of teacups, plastic plates, or 
what-have you arranged on a
table to represent 'containers'; in fact, if one wants to be a bit 
clever one can have teacups of
various colours as different types of containers (think vars and strings).

Now a big box of buttons / beads / beans is also not a bad idea.

Now create a "visual computer program" on the table.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now to what sets RunRev - whoops - LiveCode apart from Fortran, BASIC, 
C++ and so on is
that one can, at least initially, have VISIBLE "teacups" - i.e. Fields 
on a stack - that the child
can see; so the conceptual leap is not:

 From the completely concrete (teacups and beans) to the completely 
abstract (invisible
variables with daft names like 'VAR99').

But:

 From the completely concrete (teacups and beans) to visual 
representations of the same on a
computer's GUI.

Once a child has performed the mental leap from real cups to virtual 
cups it is a relatively painless
process to move from visible virtual cups (fields) to invisible virtual 
cups; - this is also a process
that is not strictly necessary at an early stage.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is also why RunRev/LiveCode is better than those "programming" 
thingies that seem to
consist of virtual LEGO blocks one drags around the screen.

While that sort of thing means children can get instant results it does 
not actually teach them
the concepts that are the necessary underpinnings of any type of 
programming.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The next step is "the invisible contents" cup; where the child is shown 
a cup but not allowed
to view its contents (a plastic sippy cup is really good for this) - 
tell them it can contain either
0, 1 or 2 beans; but nobody knows which . . .

Then show them a teddy bear (Huh?) and tell them the teddy bear can have 
as many chocolates
out of the box 'BOX' as there are beans in the covered cup.

If fld "CoveredCup" = 0
    then
    --- poor old bear ----
   else
    put fld "CoveredCup" into fld "Chocs"
end if

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I managed to pull the trick with the covered cup and the teddy bear on 
my younger boy when
he was 4; and get him to explain the basic truth condition of the 
situation; however he did
not have the motor control nor the ability to write to be able to put it 
into code at that stage . . .  :)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What many of you may have forgotten is the process of how you learnt to 
reason abstractly, if,
indeed, you ever bothered to reflect or analyse it.

To teach children one first has to begin to think like a child, and then 
work out how you can
get the child to make the next step.

Far too many teachers are worried about extremely complicated things; 
were they to concentrate
on the simple psychological building blocks and impart those to 
children, the children are, by-and-large,
perfectly capable of doing most of the complicated things themselves.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:06:05 2010
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CE018.4040303@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
	<4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1285347147503-2553743.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C9CE018.4040303@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1285351565778-2563004.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Jacque,


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> It isn't really new, it's been there for years. It is documented in the 
> dictionary in the entry for "wait".
> 

Good to know! :-)
Then, it would be great to add your comment
to the dictionary: http://docs.runrev.com/Command/wait

Thanks again for your answer!
Have a nice weekend.

Al
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 24 14:12:10 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:12:10 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:

> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit that
> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the handler still
> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition could
> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
> handler while it was running.
>
> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?

Indeed it would:

Add Threaded messaging and or execution in Transcript
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2832>

But threading comes with an additional level of responsibility.  Right 
now we almost never have to worry about race conditions, an area where a 
lot of programmers using threaded languages spend thousands of hours 
each year debugging hard-to-track-down issues.

Once you introduce threading into the language it's like handing someone 
a loaded gun with a map to their foot.  Still very useful, and well 
worth implementing, but it would so fundamentally change the messaging 
system that it would raise the learning curve and open up many new ways 
to make mistakes. :)

For those who need it threading would be a godsend, and RunRev couldn't 
add this fast enough for me.  Many server processes could be much more 
optimized with a threaded implementation.

In the meantime, for single-user apps working within a non-threading 
system isn't usually so bad.  As we've seen in this example, it usually 
requires no more than a single line of code to have any additional 
checking happening inside of any handler you like, and with that 
requirement it leaves the scripter explicitly in control of the 
interactions between things.

For property settings this might even be reduced to zero additional 
lines of code in the repeat loop if you include a setProp handler that 
will respond to the change:

-- Main handler:

on mouseUp
   repeat with i = 1 to 100
      set the uMyProp of this stack to i
   end repeat
end mouseUp


-- In stack script, library, or any other place in the
-- message path:

setProp uMyProp pValue
   if pValue = 50 then
     DoSomethingCool
   end if
end uMyProp


It can be tempting to use getProp and setProp in places where more 
controllable and concise function and command calls can work well as 
accessors, but when you need 'em they're handy to have available.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From esperita at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 24 14:21:20 2010
From: esperita at earthlink.net (Nancy Birnes)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:21:20 -0400
Subject: Read from file not working 4.5?
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On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:46 PM, John Patten wrote:

> Hi All...
>
> I have a stack that reads a text file and puts that text in a card  
> fld. It works in 4.0, but when I open the same stack in 4.5 LiveCode  
> it does not work?
>
>
> Here is the simple script:
>
> on openStack
>   put the defaultFolder into tFilePath
>   open window "data" of stack "Data"
>   put tFilePath&"/"&"imageData" into tTargetToOpen
>   open file tTargetToOpen
>   read from file tTargetToOpen until EOF
>   put it into cd fld "data" of cd 1 of Stack "data"
> end openStack
>
>
> What am i missing here for this not to work in 4.5?
>
> Thank you!
>
> John Patten
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 14:23:01 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:23:01 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>
	<4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B8F79722-4A78-41E7-97AD-BF624905F7F7@swcp.com>

I think this is the right immediate solution.  Jacque is always  
right.  And I have done this down deep in an I/O routine, but when I  
can, I try to embrace the event driven nature of LiveCode and avoid  
such loops.

What happens at each button click and keystroke should be fast and  
neat in the event-driven style.  These events (and others) can start  
a message engine (send recursive script) if need be.  Nothing takes a  
long time.  At each event, the state of the application might change.

(Now, given that, I think LiveCode is being cleaned up so that slave  
applications can run, and maybe we can use an alternative form of  
parallelism for some big crunching needs.)

Dar Scott



On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:31 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/24/10 8:36 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to "interrupt", or rather, "interrogate", the  
>> repeat loop? I
>> am not talking about checking the property within that running code.
>
> I think what you want is:
>
>   wait 1 millisecond with messages
>
> Put that into the repeat loop somewhere. It forces the engine to do  
> all the same cleanup and checking as it does on idle, and will  
> catch any pending messages that have happened.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:32:04 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:32:04 +0200
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimXSchiVm4XN4FnrUAqJtRvxP9--6f8wyTSmDjF@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM,  <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> Jacques, et al.
>
> The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But that
> code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
> all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
> read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you can, but
> only from within the handler.
>
> I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it cannot.
>
> Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state changes
> as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from some
> externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
> variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
> interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world. I am not sure
> about other procedural languages.
>
> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit that
> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the handler still
> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition could
> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
> handler while it was running.
>
> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>
> Craig

The problem here, I think, is the scope of the variable:

A local variable exists only in its handler or function so you can't
read it from the outside.

That we can call a super local variable exists in the script itself
and handlers in the same script can read or write it
If you need to read a variable in a handler from another script you will failed

A global variable exists everywhere. The problem with this kind of
variable is that it could be overrided by another variable from the
outside. It was an old HC problem to take in care.

The property is an interesting way to explore because:
- it is protected
- it is available everywhere from the outside.

But in each case and because of the scope of the variable you will not
able to read the state of a variable from the outside if you not
manage something in the handler you have to observe.

In some other language, it is possible to read (or write) a variable
by knowing its name with a specific command. That is a handy method to
pass or force a value in a process. But LiveCode is not
multiprocessing.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:37:40 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:37:40 -0400
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimXSchiVm4XN4FnrUAqJtRvxP9--6f8wyTSmDjF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
	<AANLkTimXSchiVm4XN4FnrUAqJtRvxP9--6f8wyTSmDjF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPEoowyKe_F=K7qJ6nq3SN5zow8dcrZA3YAS7L@mail.gmail.com>

I think the scenario Dunbar is describing can be handled with a combination
of an overhead watcher script that includes a send in time message to call
itself every so often, and a global variable or variables which are being
set in the sub-condition checking scripts which may contain repeat forever
loops with wait with messages which will allow the overhead watcher to kick
in and check the global(s)...

Wayne

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:32 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM,  <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> > Jacques, et al.
> >
> > The "wait with messages", which I know about, is compact and cool. But
> that
> > code needs to reside within the running handler. As do, in their own way,
> > all the other comments from everyone. For example, BonnMike notes you can
> > read the state of a property while a handler is running. Certainly you
> can, but
> > only from within the handler.
> >
> > I was asking if any state of the machine can be accessed from outside a
> > running handler. I read from all the responses, as I thought, that it
> cannot.
> >
> > Say a variable is gettinig incremented in a repeat loop. Its state
> changes
> > as the loop progresses. Can this state be returned to the engine from
> some
> > externally running process, one that would be able to monitor handler
> > variables on the fly. It would require, essentially, that the handler be
> > interrupted continuously. I don't think this is part of the xTalk world.
> I am not sure
> > about other procedural languages.
> >
> > This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
> > his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
> > create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler
> fit that
> > bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
> > covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
> handler still
> > had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
> could
> > not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
> > that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside
> the
> > handler while it was running.
> >
> > Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
> >
> > Craig
>
> The problem here, I think, is the scope of the variable:
>
> A local variable exists only in its handler or function so you can't
> read it from the outside.
>
> That we can call a super local variable exists in the script itself
> and handlers in the same script can read or write it
> If you need to read a variable in a handler from another script you will
> failed
>
> A global variable exists everywhere. The problem with this kind of
> variable is that it could be overrided by another variable from the
> outside. It was an old HC problem to take in care.
>
> The property is an interesting way to explore because:
> - it is protected
> - it is available everywhere from the outside.
>
> But in each case and because of the scope of the variable you will not
> able to read the state of a variable from the outside if you not
> manage something in the handler you have to observe.
>
> In some other language, it is possible to read (or write) a variable
> by knowing its name with a specific command. That is a handy method to
> pass or force a value in a process. But LiveCode is not
> multiprocessing.
>
>
> Regards,
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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From massung at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:43:32 2010
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:43:32 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0GG01pNW2Vx4RdtymoCTMY2gTR1kSRSKmM94Z@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

>
> Indeed it would:
>
> Add Threaded messaging and or execution in Transcript
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2832>
>
> But threading comes with an additional level of responsibility.  Right now
> we almost never have to worry about race conditions, an area where a lot of
> programmers using threaded languages spend thousands of hours each year
> debugging hard-to-track-down issues.
>
>
[.. Just rehashing a little of what Richard was saying ..]

Adding native threads to LiveCode would be an *extremely* bad idea, given
how LiveCode is used in its current incarnation (that's not to say LiveCode
couldn't change in the future to make this a great feature). There are two
fundamental issues with adding native threads to LiveCode:

First, there's no concept of thread local data or even data that's only
read-from or written-to with a specific paradigm; basically everything is
accessible all the time by anyone (which has a lot of nice advantages) and
all data is mutable. This just makes threading painful. Combine that with
the fact that many LiveCode applications use UI elements to hold data (like
a field) and we move onto problem #2...

LiveCode is [fundamentally] a GUI development app, and most OS'es (like
Windows and OS X) require that UI elements be updated in a specific thread.
So, now you are talking about a single thread being managed by the Rev team
that's essentially a queue of UI commands to happen at some later point in
time, which essentially borks a *huge* number of scripts out there or
special syntax that halts the current thread execution in order to update a
UI element on another thread (equally bad and completely defeats the purpose
of threading). Consider something reasonably simple:

on mouseUp
  spawn doMyStuff in 3 seconds
end mouseUp

command doMyStuff
  put "Hello, world!" after fld "foo"
  ## question: what's in fld "foo" right now?
end doMyStuff

If you answer that question at the end, I promise you're wrong. ;-)

Threading is extremely powerful, and as the future continue to progress
towards more hardware threads to make up processor speeds, certainly it
would be nice to have a language that can take advantage of such things. But
it's also completely unnecessary for LiveCode. I say this because
(typically) the bottleneck for any LiveCode application is the user. And
when it isn't the user, it's bad programming, disk access, or anything but
the processor itself. And if you really need performance for an intensive
process, don't use LiveCode (e.g. use C or a language designed for it and
then use LiveCode to wrap that app in a nice GUI).

That said, there are areas where LiveCode could - itself - benefit from
multi-threading that isn't exposed to the end user. One example of this is
in access to the internet, file, or various OS accesses. Being able to issue
a large disk read/write and get a callback when done, and either a revamp or
serious bug fix/cleaning of libURL. Or being able to wait on a particular
event to be completed/happen. These alone would help considerably.

LiveCode's single-threaded messaging system is actually quite good and
powerful, and I wouldn't attempt to add any multi-threading capabilities to
it without a serious inward look that was also willing to break many of the
paradigms currently in place.

My 2 cents...

Jeff M.


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Sep 24 14:44:39 2010
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:44:39 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4C9CF197.6000404@pdslabs.net>

  Richard's approach would be my approach also. It's usually easier to make the 
solution overly complex, than to make it this simple.

Phil Davis


On 9/24/10 11:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> DunbarX wrote:
>
>> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
>> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
>> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler fit that
>> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
>> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the handler 
>> still
>> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition could
>> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
>> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside the
>> handler while it was running.
>>
>> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>
> Indeed it would:
>
> Add Threaded messaging and or execution in Transcript
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2832>
>
> But threading comes with an additional level of responsibility.  Right now we 
> almost never have to worry about race conditions, an area where a lot of 
> programmers using threaded languages spend thousands of hours each year 
> debugging hard-to-track-down issues.
>
> Once you introduce threading into the language it's like handing someone a 
> loaded gun with a map to their foot.  Still very useful, and well worth 
> implementing, but it would so fundamentally change the messaging system that 
> it would raise the learning curve and open up many new ways to make mistakes. :)
>
> For those who need it threading would be a godsend, and RunRev couldn't add 
> this fast enough for me.  Many server processes could be much more optimized 
> with a threaded implementation.
>
> In the meantime, for single-user apps working within a non-threading system 
> isn't usually so bad.  As we've seen in this example, it usually requires no 
> more than a single line of code to have any additional checking happening 
> inside of any handler you like, and with that requirement it leaves the 
> scripter explicitly in control of the interactions between things.
>
> For property settings this might even be reduced to zero additional lines of 
> code in the repeat loop if you include a setProp handler that will respond to 
> the change:
>
> -- Main handler:
>
> on mouseUp
>   repeat with i = 1 to 100
>      set the uMyProp of this stack to i
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
>
> -- In stack script, library, or any other place in the
> -- message path:
>
> setProp uMyProp pValue
>   if pValue = 50 then
>     DoSomethingCool
>   end if
> end uMyProp
>
>
> It can be tempting to use getProp and setProp in places where more 
> controllable and concise function and command calls can work well as 
> accessors, but when you need 'em they're handy to have available.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
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-- 
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Professional Software Development
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 14:47:49 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:47:49 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <288bc.5738bd50.39ce4c55@aol.com>

Right, but the running handler has to contain these checking routines. I 
was asking if this can be done completely from outside them.
In a message dated 9/24/10 2:37:56 PM, wdurden at gmail.com writes:


> I think the scenario Dunbar is describing can be handled with a 
> combination
> of an overhead watcher script that includes a send in time message to call
> itself every so often, and a global variable or variables which are being
> set in the sub-condition checking scripts which may contain repeat forever
> loops with wait with messages which will allow the overhead watcher to 
> kick
> in and check the global(s)...
> 


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:48:57 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:48:57 +0200
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_8CdkmUwSb=e+fCEbeVJ3Yd-UaCkgBj6OZZnL@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> DunbarX wrote:
>
>> This all came about because someone wanted a single universal watchdog on
>> his stack. He had several handlers in several places, all of which could
>> create a condition he wanted to act upon. So the "send in time" handler
>> fit that
>> bill. If he created yet another such handler somewhere, it would be
>> covered. But it occurred to be that if the condition was met and the
>> handler still
>> had much to do and might take a long time to do it, then the condition
>> could
>> not be dealt with until that handler ends. It seemed intriguing to think
>> that something could monitor, say, the state of variables, from outside
>> the
>> handler while it was running.
>>
>> Anyone think this is a useful, perhaps monumental, feature?
>
> Indeed it would:
>
> Add Threaded messaging and or execution in Transcript
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2832>
>
> But threading comes with an additional level of responsibility. ?Right now
> we almost never have to worry about race conditions, an area where a lot of
> programmers using threaded languages spend thousands of hours each year
> debugging hard-to-track-down issues.
>
> Once you introduce threading into the language it's like handing someone a
> loaded gun with a map to their foot. ?Still very useful, and well worth
> implementing, but it would so fundamentally change the messaging system that
> it would raise the learning curve and open up many new ways to make
> mistakes. :)
>
> For those who need it threading would be a godsend, and RunRev couldn't add
> this fast enough for me. ?Many server processes could be much more optimized
> with a threaded implementation.
>
> In the meantime, for single-user apps working within a non-threading system
> isn't usually so bad. ?As we've seen in this example, it usually requires no
> more than a single line of code to have any additional checking happening
> inside of any handler you like, and with that requirement it leaves the
> scripter explicitly in control of the interactions between things.
>
> For property settings this might even be reduced to zero additional lines of
> code in the repeat loop if you include a setProp handler that will respond
> to the change:
>
> -- Main handler:
>
> on mouseUp
> ?repeat with i = 1 to 100
> ? ? set the uMyProp of this stack to i
> ?end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
>
> -- In stack script, library, or any other place in the
> -- message path:
>
> setProp uMyProp pValue
> ?if pValue = 50 then
> ? ?DoSomethingCool
> ?end if
> end uMyProp
>
>
> It can be tempting to use getProp and setProp in places where more
> controllable and concise function and command calls can work well as
> accessors, but when you need 'em they're handy to have available.

Threading is cool. But it depends of your needs.
During more than 10 years I'm doing development and excepted specifics
needs, the only need I have with thread is have a thread which sleep
for an amount of time and wakeup to perform an action. In one hour,
one day...
In fact, nothing more than the send in time in LiveCode can do. And
more elegantly.

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:53:44 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:53:44 +0200
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPEoowyKe_F=K7qJ6nq3SN5zow8dcrZA3YAS7L@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
	<AANLkTimXSchiVm4XN4FnrUAqJtRvxP9--6f8wyTSmDjF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikPEoowyKe_F=K7qJ6nq3SN5zow8dcrZA3YAS7L@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-_XvaptEp6Fo_G1s2rr1DwQbj4y0H9n25xQqz@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:37 PM, wayne durden <wdurden at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the scenario Dunbar is describing can be handled with a combination
> of an overhead watcher script that includes a send in time message to call
> itself every so often, and a global variable or variables which are being
> set in the sub-condition checking scripts which may contain repeat forever
> loops with wait with messages which will allow the overhead watcher to kick
> in and check the global(s)...
>
> Wayne

Wayne,

I'm more than agree. Is the first thought I have after reading the
Craig message.
And I jumped in my lab to implement something like this in a stack I
shared in my first reply ;)


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 15:05:17 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:05:17 -0400
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-_XvaptEp6Fo_G1s2rr1DwQbj4y0H9n25xQqz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b7f4.12c28ea.39ce36ca@aol.com>
	<AANLkTimXSchiVm4XN4FnrUAqJtRvxP9--6f8wyTSmDjF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikPEoowyKe_F=K7qJ6nq3SN5zow8dcrZA3YAS7L@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_XvaptEp6Fo_G1s2rr1DwQbj4y0H9n25xQqz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVPoUK+qpytJEofLryF6xoym2MbRsCQVHd85fX@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Zryip,

Sorry, I didn't catch the first post.

And Craig, I don't quite get the point about it all being in the same
handler?  Because with the wait with messages and the send in time scenario,
all the handlers are effectively getting some "time slices" and all getting
to run somewhat as if each had its own thread...  I apologize, but I
probably am still not seeing the issue correctly.

By the way, you sold me an AB I/O device at your cost some years ago and my
kids and I had some great usage out of it for multiple projects calling it
from both Hypercard and RB.  Those were great devices!

Best wishes!

Wayne

>
> Wayne,
>
> I'm more than agree. Is the first thought I have after reading the
> Craig message.
> And I jumped in my lab to implement something like this in a stack I
> shared in my first reply ;)
>
>
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 15:18:41 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:18:41 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>

I still have some of those BeeHive gadgets. When they went out of business, 
I bought a bunch. I used them all in projects, a handful of which are still 
running. There is a modern version for liveCode:

http://www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html

As for this thread. It still seems that people are thinking you can 
interrogate, from the outside, a running handler somehow. You can't. At least not 
that I have seen.

Craig


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 15:21:14 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:21:14 EDT
Subject: Stability in LC 4.5?
Message-ID: <32c1e.29cc1f2d.39ce542a@aol.com>

I have had a few problems with rev 4.0. In the last few days I have had a 
handful of freezes with LC 4.5. Anyone else noticing this? I was hoping for 
more stability, not less.

On G5, OS 10.4.11

Craig Newman


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 15:23:46 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:23:46 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
References: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9336D574-A214-4F9B-9D1B-F90FEF5E97AA@swcp.com>

Maybe one can sprinkle calls to checker throughout code which can  
look at global variable or be passed local variables.  The body of  
the checker handler can be commented out in the penultimate version.

Dar

On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:18 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> As for this thread. It still seems that people are thinking you can
> interrogate, from the outside, a running handler somehow. You  
> can't. At least not
> that I have seen.



From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 15:24:08 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:24:08 -0400
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
References: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinCVAMQmhHnEiKa98v1mrTMV7e0Xa8VnOjgdRtp@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Craig,

Perhaps it is in the semantics when you say "interrogate a running handler
somehow".  A running handler can document it's status by setting a global
variable.  Even if that handler has a repeat forever loop, if you have a
wait 1 millisecond with messages statement within the loop the effect on the
app is to allow other pending messages to execute which would include
another handler getting a send in time message and checking the global
variable.

Thus the other handler can "interrogate" the first to the extent that the
first is reporting its status in the global variable ...

Wayne

>
>
> As for this thread. It still seems that people are thinking you can
> interrogate, from the outside, a running handler somehow. You can't. At
> least not
> that I have seen.
>
> Craig
>
>


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Fri Sep 24 15:24:45 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:24:45 +0100
Subject: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)
In-Reply-To: <20100924143438.76C17288C4F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEJBCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

As pointed out, you can either do the automatic update and replace existing
with new, or manually download a starter-kit setup from the website and
import a backup of your old Scrapbook. The downside of the manual updating
is that you will also have to manually transfer any personal plugins and you
will lose all your settings. If neither is a big deal to you, then a manual
update is available to you.

I will, however, look into a more painless way of updating automatically!

Hugh Senior
FLCo


JosepM wrote:

Yes, I ever meshed with the upgraded foldersme... :/

I download the ssbk and work like a charm.

Salut,
Josep



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 24 15:25:58 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:25:58 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <4C9CFB46.2080009@fourthworld.com>

zryip theSlug wrote:

> Threading is cool. But it depends of your needs.
> During more than 10 years I'm doing development and excepted specifics
> needs, the only need I have with thread is have a thread which sleep
> for an amount of time and wakeup to perform an action. In one hour,
> one day...
> In fact, nothing more than the send in time in LiveCode can do. And
> more elegantly.

cron can also be useful for that, at least for OS X and Linux.

What is the command-line equivalent of cron on Windows?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 15:30:30 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:30:30 -0600
Subject: USB gadgets (was Re: Scripts that are already running)
In-Reply-To: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
References: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C077EB23-5DDF-438D-BC5C-D35DB388B003@swcp.com>


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:18 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> There is a modern version for liveCode:
>
> http://www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html

Cool!




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 24 15:38:11 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:38:11 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>

Jeff Massung wrote:

> That said, there are areas where LiveCode could - itself - benefit from
> multi-threading that isn't exposed to the end user. One example of this is
> in access to the internet, file, or various OS accesses. Being able to issue
> a large disk read/write and get a callback when done, and either a revamp or
> serious bug fix/cleaning of libURL. Or being able to wait on a particular
> event to be completed/happen. These alone would help considerably.

One small step in that direction, from the LiveCode 4.5 Release 
Notes.pdf (which is unfortunately buried deep inside the app bundle on 
OS X virtually guaranteeing no Mac customer will ever see it):


   Engine changes

   Non-blocking DNS resolution

   The open socket command no longer blocks on DNS resolution.
   Instead, if resolution is required the command will return
   immediately and the DNS lookup will happen in the background.
   If resolution fails, then a socketError message is sent in
   the same was as if connection fails.

   For applications using hostNameToAddress directly, its syntax
   has been augmented:
   hostnameToAddress(hostname, [ callback ])
   If the callback parameter is specified then the call will
   return immediately and upon completion of the lookup, the
   callback will be invoked with the resolved address as a
   parameter.


Another nifty new thing including in that unfortunately hidden document is:

   Slave process improvements

   A number of issues with the open process command and the engine
   itself have, up until now, conspired to make it difficult (if
   not impossible!) to either run a slave process, or use the
   engine as slave on all platforms.

   These issues have been resolved in this version, thus making it
   straightforward to run another process and poll for input and
   output over stdin/stdout.

   The typical form for this is along the following lines:

   local sSlaveProcess
   command startSlave pProcess
      open process sSlaveProcess for text update
      send ?monitorSlave? to me in 50 millisecs
   end startSlave

   command monitorSlave
     repeat forever
       # Loop until there are no more lines to read.
       read from process sSlaveProcess for 1 line in 0 millisecs
       if the result is empty then
         # The slave has sent us something, so process it and loop for
         # (potentially) more data. else if the result is ?timeout? then
         # There is nothing waiting for us, so exit repeat
         exit repeat
       else if the result is ?eof? then
         # The slave has terminated, so do any final processing and
         # finish monitoring.
         close process sSlaveProcess
         exit monitorSlave
       else
         # Some error has occurred!
         exit monitorSlave
      end if
     end repeat
     send ?monitorSlave? to me in 50 millisecs
   end monitorSlave

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 15:45:04 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:45:04 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <34268.47b5584e.39ce59c0@aol.com>

Wayne.

Yes. I did that to actually provide a solution. This whole thing is a 
theoretical question, and it seems to have been resolved, especially by Jacque, 
Richard Gaskin and Jeff, that a multiThreaded liveCode would be required to 
make it happen.

I don't miss it. I was just wondering...

Craig


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri Sep 24 15:53:09 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:53:09 -0400
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CFB46.2080009@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <OF365BAD71.AE2ECF30-ON852577A8.006C8649-852577A8.006D3E45@sealedair.com>

> cron can also be useful for that, at least for OS X and Linux.
>
> What is the command-line equivalent of cron on Windows?

In a command prompt, type:
AT -- help




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep 24 15:59:04 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:59:04 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Am602y2iRJWYitA2qYhReD7qORnp7az1SSgUi@mail.gmail.com>

That's to keep it handy for the Livecode Resource Center. A small button
that says "Launch PDF" is there.

On 24 September 2010 12:38, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

>
>>
> One small step in that direction, from the LiveCode 4.5 Release Notes.pdf
> (which is unfortunately buried deep inside the app bundle on OS X virtually
> guaranteeing no Mac customer will ever see it)
>




Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 15:59:34 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:59:34 +0200
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CFB46.2080009@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CFB46.2080009@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimo_dy0i5MyXuicDgF_J5xKvLvL2ZkjH2KSxvvD@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> Threading is cool. But it depends of your needs.
>> During more than 10 years I'm doing development and excepted specifics
>> needs, the only need I have with thread is have a thread which sleep
>> for an amount of time and wakeup to perform an action. In one hour,
>> one day...
>> In fact, nothing more than the send in time in LiveCode can do. And
>> more elegantly.
>
> cron can also be useful for that, at least for OS X and Linux.
>
> What is the command-line equivalent of cron on Windows?

Habitually I'm running that on my development tool by creating new processes.

However on windows, sometimes we use the Windows Scheduler Task

On Windows Server you have command-lines to scheduled tasks:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc772785(WS.10).aspx

Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 16:01:52 2010
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:01:52 -0400
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <34268.47b5584e.39ce59c0@aol.com>
References: <34268.47b5584e.39ce59c0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik26=vmc5_F0Mszrrq_DQ7YHurhtQUukTSJLB_0@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry Craig,  I apparently got lost in the thread or came late or
something....  I came to RunRev from RealBasic where we did have threads of
a sort and I used them primarily to allow a responsive interface while
processing over large text files.

I haven't missed them with the combination of send in time and wait with
messages for my type usage as the effect at the app level for those type
usages is about as equivalent to threads and timers as I used them in RB.

Sorry if I was yammering at cross purposes....

Wayne

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> Wayne.
>
> Yes. I did that to actually provide a solution. This whole thing is a
> theoretical question, and it seems to have been resolved, especially by
> Jacque,
> Richard Gaskin and Jeff, that a multiThreaded liveCode would be required to
> make it happen.
>
> I don't miss it. I was just wondering...
>
> Craig
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Sep 24 16:11:03 2010
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:11:03 +0100
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
In-Reply-To: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BAY157-w27DED15530970B0418334CED620@phx.gbl>


How can I find out which stack called a library stack from the script of the library stack ?

thanks...

John Dixon
 		 	   		  

From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 16:30:37 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:30:37 EDT
Subject: Scripts that are already running
Message-ID: <36cb3.1876a98e.39ce646d@aol.com>

Wayne.

Do you mean lost in the multi-thread? I would be.

Craig


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 16:33:25 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:33:25 EDT
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
Message-ID: <36f41.6b23c631.39ce6515@aol.com>

Any stack can be a library stack. It just means that stack is in use, so 
its stack scripts are available in the hierarchy. The "stacksInUse" property 
lists all stacks that are used this way, and gives the order they are placed.

Craig Newman


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 16:55:25 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:55:25 -0600
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9F9978C0-3830-4200-A798-A5E5CDB86CD0@swcp.com>


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jeff Massung wrote:
>
>> That said, there are areas where LiveCode could - itself - benefit  
>> from
>> multi-threading that isn't exposed to the end user. One example of  
>> this is
>> in access to the internet, file, or various OS accesses. Being  
>> able to issue
>> a large disk read/write and get a callback when done, and either a  
>> revamp or
>> serious bug fix/cleaning of libURL. Or being able to wait on a  
>> particular
>> event to be completed/happen. These alone would help considerably.
>
> One small step in that direction, from the LiveCode 4.5 Release  
> Notes.pdf (which is unfortunately buried deep inside the app bundle  
> on OS X virtually guaranteeing no Mac customer will ever see it):
>
>
>   Engine changes
>
>   Non-blocking DNS resolution
>
>   The open socket command no longer blocks on DNS resolution.
>   Instead, if resolution is required the command will return
>   immediately and the DNS lookup will happen in the background.
>   If resolution fails, then a socketError message is sent in
>   the same was as if connection fails.
>
>   For applications using hostNameToAddress directly, its syntax
>   has been augmented:
>   hostnameToAddress(hostname, [ callback ])
>   If the callback parameter is specified then the call will
>   return immediately and upon completion of the lookup, the
>   callback will be invoked with the resolved address as a
>   parameter.

This supports the event model.

In general all I/O could move to optional callbacks.  This could be  
part of unifying I/O syntax and capability.

I came from a multithreading background (and I still do that), so I  
had to shift my thinking when I caught the LiveCode train.  (It was  
newly called Revolution way back then; I was a revolutionary.)

I favor improvements that embrace event programming.  That is the  
primary way in LiveCode that multiple things get done.  However, if  
multithreading is introduced, I'd be pleased to use that as needed.   
(And kibitz as to how it is done so that all can enjoy it.)

As you mentioned:  One way to go multithreading is by  
multiprogramming.  I like that, too.

Dar Scott
... sometimes I think this code is alive ...




From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 17:01:35 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:01:35 -0600
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-w27DED15530970B0418334CED620@phx.gbl>
References: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
	<BAY157-w27DED15530970B0418334CED620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9F8368DD-2C98-4378-A61C-F5439A77571A@swcp.com>


On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:11 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> How can I find out which stack called a library stack from the  
> script of the library stack ?

A way that works in some cases is to look at the target and climb  
owners until you get to a stack.

If you are wanting to do callbacks, you might consider having the  
initialize or start or open handler include a long id of the caller  
in the parameter.  The calling stack would then include 'the long id  
of me' in the parameters.

There is an unsupported way.

I think a nice enhancement would be a function that would return the  
long id of the caller.  I think I made one someplace using that  
unsupported way.  I don't know where it is.

Or do you mean which stack did the "start using"?

Dar Scott



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 24 17:04:03 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:04:03 -0700
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
References: <329b5.117207ff.39ce5391@aol.com>
Message-ID: <17973658578.20100924140403@ahsoftware.net>

Craig-

Friday, September 24, 2010, 12:18:41 PM, you wrote:

> As for this thread. It still seems that people are thinking you can
> interrogate, from the outside, a running handler somehow. You can't. At least not
> that I have seen.

You can. But it's ugly. Trust me, you *really* don't want to do this
unless there's no alternative.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 24 17:18:32 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:18:32 -0700
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
Message-ID: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>

John Dixon wrote:
> How can I find out which stack called a library stack from the script of the library stack ?

The executionContexts will return a list of the calling chain.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 17:25:42 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:25:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY157-w27DED15530970B0418334CED620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80909.38557.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> How can I find out which stack called a library stack from
> the script of the library stack ?
> 
> thanks...
> 
> John Dixon
>  ???

Are you wondering which script issued the 'start using' command? Or which script calls one of the handlers in your library stack script?
I'm not sure about the first one, but you can solve the second riddle by  looking at the 'executionContexts' local property.

I made a quick test stack "MyMain" with a single button, and a substack "MyLib" with a single scrolling text field.
Then I set the script of stack "MyLib" to:

##
on MyLibHandler
   put "<<< MyLibHandler" & return & \
          the executioncontexts & return & \
          ">>>" & return \
          after field 1 of me
end MyLibHandler
##

Then I went back to stack "MyMain" and set the script of the button to:

##
on mouseUp
   start using stack "MyLib"
   MyLibHandler
   stop using stack "MyLib"
end mouseUp
##

With all that set up, I clicked the button, and got the following in the scrolling text field of stack "MyLib":

##
<<< MyLibHandler
button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "MyMain",mouseUp,3
stack "MyLib" of stack "MyMain",MyLibHandler,17
>>>
##

So the second-to-last line gives you the control that called MyLibHandler, the name of the handler in which MyLibHandler was callezd, and even the line number.
Note that I said 'the second-to-last line' - because if we slightly change the script of the button in stack "MyMain" to:

##
on mouseUp
   RunMyLibHandler
end mouseUp

on RunMyLibHandler
   start using stack "MyLib"
   MyLibHandler
   stop using stack "MyLib"
end RunMyLibHandler
##

Then we get the following output instead in the scrolling text field:

##
<<< MyLibHandler
button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "MyMain",mouseUp,2
button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "MyMain",RunMyLibHandler,7
stack "MyLib" of stack "MyMain",MyLibHandler,17
>>>
##

The 'mouseUp' called 'RunMyLibHandler'; and this in turn loaded the library stack, called 'MyLibHandler' and unloaded it again. So the first line is the originating event, and the second-to-last line gives you the handler that actually called the handler in the library script.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Sep 24 17:32:04 2010
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:32:04 +0100
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
In-Reply-To: <80909.38557.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY157-w27DED15530970B0418334CED620@phx.gbl>,
	<80909.38557.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY157-w4226473DEB1796E95C6233ED620@phx.gbl>


Thanks for your replies ... Dar, Richard, Jan....

I have a stack that contains a field.. what happens in the field is 
called from a library stack that is loaded in the preOpen stack 
handler...



What I want to happen is that the backgroundColor of the field will 
change depending on whether or not the stack is 'suspended'... I have a 
'suspendStack' and a 'resumeStack' handler in the library stack to 
handle the change of colour...



All works fine if I run the stack as a standalone ... 

All works fine in 
the IDE except for the first click in the field when the stack has first opened, 
for some reason the colour of the field when first 'clicking' into it 
changes the colour to the suspended colour ... all subsequent clicks 
after the first one and everything is fine...



So, the reason for me asking 'Which stack called the library stack' was 
that I was hoping I could trap for which stack was suspended or not and 
handle it that way...

regards

John Dixon


> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:25:42 -0700
> From: janschenkel at yahoo.com
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Which stack called the library stack ?
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/24/10, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > How can I find out which stack called a library stack from
> > the script of the library stack ?
> > 
> > thanks...
> > 
> > John Dixon
> >     
> 
> Are you wondering which script issued the 'start using' command? Or which script calls one of the handlers in your library stack script?
> I'm not sure about the first one, but you can solve the second riddle by  looking at the 'executionContexts' local property.
> 
> I made a quick test stack "MyMain" with a single button, and a substack "MyLib" with a single scrolling text field.
> Then I set the script of stack "MyLib" to:
> 
> ##
> on MyLibHandler
>    put "<<< MyLibHandler" & return & \
>           the executioncontexts & return & \
>           ">>>" & return \
>           after field 1 of me
> end MyLibHandler
> ##
> 
> Then I went back to stack "MyMain" and set the script of the button to:
> 
> ##
> on mouseUp
>    start using stack "MyLib"
>    MyLibHandler
>    stop using stack "MyLib"
> end mouseUp
> ##
> 
> With all that set up, I clicked the button, and got the following in the scrolling text field of stack "MyLib":
> 
> ##
> <<< MyLibHandler
> button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "MyMain",mouseUp,3
> stack "MyLib" of stack "MyMain",MyLibHandler,17
> >>>
> ##
> 
> So the second-to-last line gives you the control that called MyLibHandler, the name of the handler in which MyLibHandler was callezd, and even the line number.
> Note that I said 'the second-to-last line' - because if we slightly change the script of the button in stack "MyMain" to:
> 
> ##
> on mouseUp
>    RunMyLibHandler
> end mouseUp
> 
> on RunMyLibHandler
>    start using stack "MyLib"
>    MyLibHandler
>    stop using stack "MyLib"
> end RunMyLibHandler
> ##
> 
> Then we get the following output instead in the scrolling text field:
> 
> ##
> <<< MyLibHandler
> button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "MyMain",mouseUp,2
> button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "MyMain",RunMyLibHandler,7
> stack "MyLib" of stack "MyMain",MyLibHandler,17
> >>>
> ##
> 
> The 'mouseUp' called 'RunMyLibHandler'; and this in turn loaded the library stack, called 'MyLibHandler' and unloaded it again. So the first line is the originating event, and the second-to-last line gives you the handler that actually called the handler in the library script.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 17:49:31 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:49:31 -0600
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
In-Reply-To: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5D3D6478-165B-427A-9A60-51A5C00CBE26@swcp.com>


On Sep 24, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> John Dixon wrote:
>> How can I find out which stack called a library stack from the  
>> script of the library stack ?
>
> The executionContexts will return a list of the calling chain.

Unfortunately, the LiveCode dictionary contains this statement:

Important: The value of the executionContexts may be changed in  
future versions of Revolution, it is not recommended to write code  
that depends on its contents.

I wish that RunRev would bless the format of the property or provide  
other properties or functions that provide context information.

Dar Scott





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 24 18:00:41 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:00:41 -0700
Subject: Which stack called the library stack ?
In-Reply-To: <5D3D6478-165B-427A-9A60-51A5C00CBE26@swcp.com>
References: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>
	<5D3D6478-165B-427A-9A60-51A5C00CBE26@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <18977055984.20100924150041@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:49:31 PM, you wrote:

> Important: The value of the executionContexts may be changed in
> future versions of Revolution, it is not recommended to write code  
> that depends on its contents.

It has ever been thus. The format of the executionContexts changed
slightly with the 3.5 release to support behaviors, but not enough to
cause any serious repercussions. And, btw, in a way that provides an
intriguing window of opportunity for the support of nested behaviors.

> I wish that RunRev would bless the format of the property or provide
> other properties or functions that provide context information.

I do too, but it's deep in the bowels of the engine, so changing it is
likely to break everything. I rather count on it not disappearing or
changing enough to cause damage.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 18:06:49 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:06:49 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=0GG01pNW2Vx4RdtymoCTMY2gTR1kSRSKmM94Z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C9CE9FA.4060602@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTi=0GG01pNW2Vx4RdtymoCTMY2gTR1kSRSKmM94Z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9D20F9.5080808@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/10 1:43 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

> LiveCode's single-threaded messaging system is actually quite good and
> powerful, and I wouldn't attempt to add any multi-threading capabilities to
> it without a serious inward look that was also willing to break many of the
> paradigms currently in place.

That's kind of what Mark Waddingham said once too.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 18:11:04 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:11:04 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4C9D21F8.8090201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/10 2:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> One small step in that direction, from the LiveCode 4.5 Release
> Notes.pdf (which is unfortunately buried deep inside the app bundle on
> OS X virtually guaranteeing no Mac customer will ever see it):

They're in the Help menu now.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 18:16:11 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:16:11 -0600
Subject: Full support for executionContexts (was Re: Which stack called the
	library stack ?)
In-Reply-To: <18977055984.20100924150041@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>
	<5D3D6478-165B-427A-9A60-51A5C00CBE26@swcp.com>
	<18977055984.20100924150041@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <221E8533-565B-4F0E-A926-121F8B14BE9B@swcp.com>


On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> I wish that RunRev would bless the format of the property or provide
>> other properties or functions that provide context information.
>
> I do too, but it's deep in the bowels of the engine, so changing it is
> likely to break everything. I rather count on it not disappearing or
> changing enough to cause damage.

By removing the offending paragraph in the executionContexts  
dictionary entry, RunRev would effectively be making a commitment to  
including descriptions of any changes to the value in the engine  
revision report for new versions.  Or at least apply as much  
diligence in doing so as they would for any other property.

I think this is a reasonable thing to ask for.

Dar Scott



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Sep 24 18:48:33 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700
Subject: Read from file not working 4.5?
In-Reply-To: <93276496-9BCD-4683-8B24-2EF9DCCAC833@earthlink.net>
References: <015030F9-8560-4561-BFE7-37DB5181621D@mac.com>
	<93276496-9BCD-4683-8B24-2EF9DCCAC833@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E5A924A0-9246-41DB-ABF5-679B3F94C77D@twft.com>

Wha??


On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Nancy Birnes wrote:

> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
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> 
> www.futuretheater.com
> www.ufomagazine.squarespace.com
> www.filamentbookclub.com
> www.filamentbooks.com
> www.ufomag.com
> 
> Visit ? Blog ? Engage ? Read ? Subscribe
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:46 PM, John Patten wrote:
> 
>> Hi All...
>> 
>> I have a stack that reads a text file and puts that text in a card fld. It works in 4.0, but when I open the same stack in 4.5 LiveCode it does not work?
>> 
>> 
>> Here is the simple script:
>> 
>> on openStack
>>  put the defaultFolder into tFilePath
>>  open window "data" of stack "Data"
>>  put tFilePath&"/"&"imageData" into tTargetToOpen
>>  open file tTargetToOpen
>>  read from file tTargetToOpen until EOF
>>  put it into cd fld "data" of cd 1 of Stack "data"
>> end openStack
>> 
>> 
>> What am i missing here for this not to work in 4.5?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> John Patten
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Sep 24 19:14:42 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:14:42 -0700
Subject: Full support for executionContexts (was Re: Which stack called
	the library stack ?)
In-Reply-To: <221E8533-565B-4F0E-A926-121F8B14BE9B@swcp.com>
References: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>
	<5D3D6478-165B-427A-9A60-51A5C00CBE26@swcp.com>
	<18977055984.20100924150041@ahsoftware.net>
	<221E8533-565B-4F0E-A926-121F8B14BE9B@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <12881496937.20100924161442@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Friday, September 24, 2010, 3:16:11 PM, you wrote:


> On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>>> I wish that RunRev would bless the format of the property or provide
>>> other properties or functions that provide context information.
>>
>> I do too, but it's deep in the bowels of the engine, so changing it is
>> likely to break everything. I rather count on it not disappearing or
>> changing enough to cause damage.

> By removing the offending paragraph in the executionContexts  
> dictionary entry, RunRev would effectively be making a commitment to
> including descriptions of any changes to the value in the engine  
> revision report for new versions.  Or at least apply as much  
> diligence in doing so as they would for any other property.

> I think this is a reasonable thing to ask for.

I, on the other hand, think that reserving the right to make changes
to the format is a good thing. And given that, I think the warning
paragraph in the documentation is to the point: "go ahead and use
this, but note that the format may change in the future". But I do
like your first suggestion, that RunRev bless and document the format.
Since it's the only way to get this information, telling people to use
it seems a bit dodgy, even though it *is* listed in the docs.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 19:19:41 2010
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:19:41 +0800
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4C9CFE23.6080205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <17F0BCDF-AC4D-4BD0-8682-30CD97A74BAB@gmail.com>

Richard 

> One small step in that direction, from the LiveCode 4.5 Release Notes.pdf (which is unfortunately buried deep inside the app bundle on OS X virtually guaranteeing no Mac customer will ever see it):

The release notes are easily accessible from the LiveCode IDE Menu (help->release notes) which you probably didn't know as you use your own IDE.

Regards

Peter

From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Sep 24 20:08:22 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:08:22 -0600
Subject: Full support for executionContexts (was Re: Which stack called
	the library stack ?)
In-Reply-To: <12881496937.20100924161442@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4C9D15A8.40708@fourthworld.com>
	<5D3D6478-165B-427A-9A60-51A5C00CBE26@swcp.com>
	<18977055984.20100924150041@ahsoftware.net>
	<221E8533-565B-4F0E-A926-121F8B14BE9B@swcp.com>
	<12881496937.20100924161442@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <8A76170B-2A56-4C4D-8A18-14510438F0BB@swcp.com>


On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
...
>> By removing the offending paragraph in the executionContexts
>> dictionary entry, RunRev would effectively be making a commitment to
>> including descriptions of any changes to the value in the engine
>> revision report for new versions.  Or at least apply as much
>> diligence in doing so as they would for any other property.
>
>> I think this is a reasonable thing to ask for.
>
> I, on the other hand, think that reserving the right to make changes
> to the format is a good thing. And given that, I think the warning
> paragraph in the documentation is to the point: "go ahead and use
> this, but note that the format may change in the future". But I do
> like your first suggestion, that RunRev bless and document the format.
> Since it's the only way to get this information, telling people to use
> it seems a bit dodgy, even though it *is* listed in the docs.

Oh, I think reserving the right to make changes is good, too, but  
only to the extent that the right to make changes to 'the detail  
folders' is reserved.  If the format of either of these is changed, a  
reasonable effort to document the change and even give warning of the  
change should be made.

I give caveats to my customers when I use experimental or explicitly  
unsupported features.  I'd rather keep that to minimum and prefer  
zero such things.  (And I minimize use of "discovered" behavior, but  
for LiveCode, use of such cannot be avoided.)

I use executionContexts in my scripts but very rarely in delivered  
product.  It is too messy and distracting to explain that I am using it.

Dar



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 20:12:04 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:12:04 -0500
Subject: Stability in LC 4.5?
In-Reply-To: <32c1e.29cc1f2d.39ce542a@aol.com>
References: <32c1e.29cc1f2d.39ce542a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C9D3E54.8070908@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/10 2:21 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> I have had a few problems with rev 4.0. In the last few days I have had a
> handful of freezes with LC 4.5. Anyone else noticing this? I was hoping for
> more stability, not less.
>
> On G5, OS 10.4.11

It's been pretty solid for me, but I just gave up my only Leopard 
machine so I'm on a different configuration now. This is the kind of 
stuff that should go into a bug report though. Crashes/freezes are alway 
high priority items. Include a crash log if there's an entry for it in 
there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 24 20:13:09 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:13:09 -0500
Subject: Scripts that are already running
In-Reply-To: <B8F79722-4A78-41E7-97AD-BF624905F7F7@swcp.com>
References: <4e1ea.678259b4.39ce036e@aol.com>	<4C9CC459.3010705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B8F79722-4A78-41E7-97AD-BF624905F7F7@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4C9D3E95.60600@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/10 1:23 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> I think this is the right immediate solution.  Jacque is always right.

I'd really appreciate it if you could tell my husband that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 20:37:52 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:37:52 +0200
Subject: [ANN] The IDE Extension Plugin is on the road
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUZTwCe-o2A2o2it+ibMeMpS9X3XX_QURBjUUn@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of a plugin on its website.

This plugin extends the IDE with:

-  a way to resize controls with arrow keys. Just press the alt key
and give the direction of the resizing by pressing an arrowkey.  You
can resize a selected control or several selected controls, by 1 pixel
or with the shift key modifier by 10 pixels increment. Do you need
accuracy when you resize a control? This plugin is for you.
- the possibility to switch temporally the selection mode to surround,
by pressing on i. No need to switch the corresponding menu in the IDE.

You can download this plugin by following this link:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=16:ide-extension-plugin&id=11:free&Itemid=63


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Sep 24 20:48:57 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:48:57 -0700
Subject: [ANN] The IDE Extension Plugin is on the road
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUZTwCe-o2A2o2it+ibMeMpS9X3XX_QURBjUUn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinUZTwCe-o2A2o2it+ibMeMpS9X3XX_QURBjUUn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik9Z=Hnm3=RGK=dngyBLtZ-k_yhVwRMtuQ5Zz-O@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, mr. slug this is very useful.


On 24 September 2010 17:37, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> The Slug is pleased to announce the availability of a plugin on its
> website.
>
> This plugin extends the IDE with:
>
> -  a way to resize controls with arrow keys. Just press the alt key
> and give the direction of the resizing by pressing an arrowkey.  You
> can resize a selected control or several selected controls, by 1 pixel
> or with the shift key modifier by 10 pixels increment. Do you need
> accuracy when you resize a control? This plugin is for you.
> - the possibility to switch temporally the selection mode to surround,
> by pressing on i. No need to switch the corresponding menu in the IDE.
>
> You can download this plugin by following this link:
>
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=16:ide-extension-plugin&id=11:free&Itemid=63
>
>
> Regards,
> --
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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> subscription preferences:
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Sep 24 22:28:23 2010
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Linux Tao
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimkegd3v_yeKw-JsnK0utTVx6XS3XLJRZjsoOFz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimkegd3v_yeKw-JsnK0utTVx6XS3XLJRZjsoOFz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285381703094-2654556.post@n4.nabble.com>


Printing and fonts are the big deals.  I haven't encountered the slowness in
tables, and have never used ODBC.  I would check all displays to make sure
the fonts fit at different size displays, check revPrintField to make sure
it works (it does not for me), check print card, which used to print at
different sizes depending on the resolution of the display, so that it did
one thing on a 17 inch display and another on a 19 inch one.  It is probably
wise to restrict oneself to the fonts that come with all distributions.

Install the app itself in /opt, but dont put the data files there, they
should go in in /home/userx/myapp, and the preferences in
/home/userx/.myapp.

Also, check with kde as well as gnome.  And if they may use different
distributions, check with one debian derivative, one slackware derivative
and one Red Hat derivative.

The most accessible end user distributions for new users are Mandriva One
Gnome and PCLinuxOS, which comes with an intelligently done version of kde
and has the Mandriva control center.  If you want something smaller lighter
and faster, either Vector or Salix.  Still lighter, Puppy.   If you want
turnkey, sort of embedded system style, and totally minimalist, Slitaz.  If
you want minimalist userland in a full featured distro, use openbox or
fluxbox as the window manager in any distro.  You can get the effect of a
turnkey one app appliance that way if you arrange autostart.  

I have not found a distribution too minimalist for Rev to run on.
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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Fri Sep 24 23:56:19 2010
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>



Hmm are you trying to create a notepad-like application that, when closed,
saves it's contents and reloads them back when it's been relaunched?

Yes, exactly. Each card is a note. There are buttons to navigate forwards,
backwards through the cards/notes, add and delete cards etc. Pretty simple
really. My "extended" idea of "hello world". 

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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 07:59:49 2010
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:59:49 +0200
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the replies.
Indeed it seems that Printmargins and PrintScale affect the cuttoff of
text and images.
Thats a pity because I want to increase text and images by setting the
PrintScale to to 1.1.
It looks as if Printscale doesn't work with images and with 'printing
to PDF'  and printPaperOrientation 'Landscape'.

And I was so happy when they announced 'printing to PDF'!!!

greetings,

William



2010/9/24 JosepM <jmyepes at mac.com>:
>
> This work for me, without change the exact size of the elements, but l lost
> about 2 cm at the bottom of the page.
> I need to force the stack size and move to some position that I can edit
> later, so if I use it in my laptop the stack is resized and when I print the
> PDF only show the visible area of the stack. The idea is make this stack
> invisible.
>
> Put the margin to 0 left about 2 cm at top and at bottom, left and right are
> about 1cm...
>
> on mouseUp
> ? set the location of this stack to 600,600
> ? set the width of this stack to 595
> ? set the height of this stack to 842
>
> ? set the printPaperSize to "595,842"
> ? put "595,842" into thePaperSize
>
> ? put "0" into theMargin
>
> ? -- get the page area:
> ? set the printMargins to theMargin,theMargin,theMargin,theMargin
> ? -- put theMargin,theMargin, item 1 of thePaperSize - theMargin, item 2 of
> thePaperSize - theMargin into destinationRect
> ? -- print into that rectangle:
> ? open printing to pdf "/Users/joss/Desktop/card_test.pdf"
> ? print this card --into destinationRect
> ? close printing
>
> end mouseUp
>
> Salut,
> Josep
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-printing-to-PDF-bug-tp2550663p2552864.html
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 08:41:09 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:41:09 +0200
Subject: [ANN] The IDE Extension Plugin is on the road
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik9Z=Hnm3=RGK=dngyBLtZ-k_yhVwRMtuQ5Zz-O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinUZTwCe-o2A2o2it+ibMeMpS9X3XX_QURBjUUn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik9Z=Hnm3=RGK=dngyBLtZ-k_yhVwRMtuQ5Zz-O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2FLh3GJmYWieJq_KvEKb5Ny1Gizeip3JnUpck@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:48 AM, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> thanks, mr. slug this is very useful.
>

You're welcome, Stephen

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Sep 25 12:34:51 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:34:51 -0600
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB413560-E4AE-4D55-93F3-3E1EDAEA4BD6@swcp.com>

A workaround might be to take a picture of the region, put that on  
another card, rotate that, and print from that card.  -- Dar

On Sep 25, 2010, at 5:59 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for the replies.
> Indeed it seems that Printmargins and PrintScale affect the cuttoff of
> text and images.
> Thats a pity because I want to increase text and images by setting the
> PrintScale to to 1.1.
> It looks as if Printscale doesn't work with images and with 'printing
> to PDF'  and printPaperOrientation 'Landscape'.
>
> And I was so happy when they announced 'printing to PDF'!!!
>
> greetings,
>
> William
>
>
>
> 2010/9/24 JosepM <jmyepes at mac.com>:
>>
>> This work for me, without change the exact size of the elements,  
>> but l lost
>> about 2 cm at the bottom of the page.
>> I need to force the stack size and move to some position that I  
>> can edit
>> later, so if I use it in my laptop the stack is resized and when I  
>> print the
>> PDF only show the visible area of the stack. The idea is make this  
>> stack
>> invisible.
>>
>> Put the margin to 0 left about 2 cm at top and at bottom, left and  
>> right are
>> about 1cm...
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   set the location of this stack to 600,600
>>   set the width of this stack to 595
>>   set the height of this stack to 842
>>
>>   set the printPaperSize to "595,842"
>>   put "595,842" into thePaperSize
>>
>>   put "0" into theMargin
>>
>>   -- get the page area:
>>   set the printMargins to theMargin,theMargin,theMargin,theMargin
>>   -- put theMargin,theMargin, item 1 of thePaperSize - theMargin,  
>> item 2 of
>> thePaperSize - theMargin into destinationRect
>>   -- print into that rectangle:
>>   open printing to pdf "/Users/joss/Desktop/card_test.pdf"
>>   print this card --into destinationRect
>>   close printing
>>
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Salut,
>> Josep
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution. 
>> 278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-printing-to-PDF-bug-tp2550663p2552864.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep 25 13:06:34 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:06:34 -0500
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9E2C1A.4020500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/25/10 6:59 AM, William de Smet wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for the replies.
> Indeed it seems that Printmargins and PrintScale affect the cuttoff of
> text and images.
> Thats a pity because I want to increase text and images by setting the
> PrintScale to to 1.1.
> It looks as if Printscale doesn't work with images and with 'printing
> to PDF'  and printPaperOrientation 'Landscape'.
>
> And I was so happy when they announced 'printing to PDF'!!!

Bug report it, there may be something RR can do.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Sep 25 13:32:30 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:32:30 -0600
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <4C9E2C1A.4020500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E2C1A.4020500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B330617D-317B-4365-AE48-F073E3EB4486@swcp.com>

I have seen the page cutoff problem with landscape (but not the other  
concerns), so if William doesn't report it, I'm willing to report  
that much.  -- Dar

On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/25/10 6:59 AM, William de Smet wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Thanks for the replies.
>> Indeed it seems that Printmargins and PrintScale affect the  
>> cuttoff of
>> text and images.
>> Thats a pity because I want to increase text and images by setting  
>> the
>> PrintScale to to 1.1.
>> It looks as if Printscale doesn't work with images and with 'printing
>> to PDF'  and printPaperOrientation 'Landscape'.
>>
>> And I was so happy when they announced 'printing to PDF'!!!
>
> Bug report it, there may be something RR can do.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Sat Sep 25 13:49:38 2010
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:49:38 +0100
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook: Where do the Files Go?
In-Reply-To: <20100924184423.5959A288CA0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONMEJGCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

Recently added to the Scripter's Scrapbook on-line reference library:

http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk/support/WhereDoTheFilesGo.pdf

Following changes to the way plugins are treated in LiveCode 4.5, this
document explains the three install alternatives for using your Scrapbook as
a plugin, as a stack file, and with a standAlone application program.

I hope it will be helpful.

Hugh Senior
FLCo



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 13:51:21 2010
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:51:21 +0200
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <B330617D-317B-4365-AE48-F073E3EB4486@swcp.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E2C1A.4020500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B330617D-317B-4365-AE48-F073E3EB4486@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6DBB51D3-87A0-48E5-A748-5D476378708A@gmail.com>

Hi there,
I will report it in the next coming days but I think you need to do it aswell Dar.
The more the better!

Greetings,

William

-----
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 25 sep. 2010 om 19:32 heeft Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> het volgende geschreven:

> I have seen the page cutoff problem with landscape (but not the other concerns), so if William doesn't report it, I'm willing to report that much.  -- Dar
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 9/25/10 6:59 AM, William de Smet wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the replies.
>>> Indeed it seems that Printmargins and PrintScale affect the cuttoff of
>>> text and images.
>>> Thats a pity because I want to increase text and images by setting the
>>> PrintScale to to 1.1.
>>> It looks as if Printscale doesn't work with images and with 'printing
>>> to PDF'  and printPaperOrientation 'Landscape'.
>>> 
>>> And I was so happy when they announced 'printing to PDF'!!!
>> 
>> Bug report it, there may be something RR can do.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Sep 25 15:21:01 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:21:01 -0600
Subject: Open printing to PDF bug?
In-Reply-To: <6DBB51D3-87A0-48E5-A748-5D476378708A@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>
	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>
	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E2C1A.4020500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B330617D-317B-4365-AE48-F073E3EB4486@swcp.com>
	<6DBB51D3-87A0-48E5-A748-5D476378708A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A11270BD-C24F-4051-9923-F7406E69EB9B@swcp.com>

Bug reports should be crisp and address a particular bug.  One can  
add details to a existing bug report or suggest changes in parts.   
Additional reports for the same bug should not be made.  Often  
though, it is only after the fact that it is clear that two bugs are  
the same.  Fortunately, it is possible for the bug wranglers to mark  
a bug as a duplicate of another.

I think there are changes coming in the reporting of bugs, so that  
may not exactly apply.

Dar


On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:51 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi there,
> I will report it in the next coming days but I think you need to do  
> it aswell Dar.
> The more the better!
>
> Greetings,
>
> William
>
> -----
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!
>
> Op 25 sep. 2010 om 19:32 heeft Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> het  
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> I have seen the page cutoff problem with landscape (but not the  
>> other concerns), so if William doesn't report it, I'm willing to  
>> report that much.  -- Dar
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/25/10 6:59 AM, William de Smet wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the replies.
>>>> Indeed it seems that Printmargins and PrintScale affect the  
>>>> cuttoff of
>>>> text and images.
>>>> Thats a pity because I want to increase text and images by  
>>>> setting the
>>>> PrintScale to to 1.1.
>>>> It looks as if Printscale doesn't work with images and with  
>>>> 'printing
>>>> to PDF'  and printPaperOrientation 'Landscape'.
>>>>
>>>> And I was so happy when they announced 'printing to PDF'!!!
>>>
>>> Bug report it, there may be something RR can do.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Sep 25 15:29:50 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:29:50 +0200
Subject: (DataGrid) one datagrid can't find the stack when its name is
	changed 
Message-ID: <34005448-595A-4E00-9D9C-45F5D63E6ED4@inria.fr>

Bonjour,
I have an app. with a main stack which is use to keep one' accounts.
13 cards, on for each month and the last of the year'recapitulation.
On each cards, one data grid, which has been installed with:
-------
copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack  
"revDataGridLibrary" to this card
-----
Worked as expected up to now.

Now, I want to be able to create new stacks (for each years)
Up to now my stack was named, say "annual accounts".

I just tried to replace the current name with "annual accounts 2010".

Then, all works normally, (the datagrids of the 12 months are working  
normally)
EXCEPT the data grid on the year card; when I go to the year card, I  
got the following answer message:
---------
An error has occured in behavior for the
column template;
Chunk: can't find stack
with "OK" or "Edit Script"
---------
The same when I click on the button which calculates the data for the  
year and populates the datagrid: the handler is interrupted and I got  
several successive such messages.

What am I missing here?
I would like to be able, for example, to simply clone the stack 2010  
(or a model stack) and only change the name to "annual accounts 2011"

Thanks a lot in advance for any help

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sat Sep 25 15:42:37 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:42:37 +0100
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
Message-ID: <AANLkTin93Lg22UKXNsUP_RWm2gwRg2ZNdXfgr5V1abVV@mail.gmail.com>

A quick geeky question: does anyone know if foreign key support has been
turned on for the recent sqlite driver -
http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/foreignkeys.html?


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 16:00:17 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:00:17 +0200
Subject: (DataGrid) one datagrid can't find the stack when its name is
	changed
In-Reply-To: <34005448-595A-4E00-9D9C-45F5D63E6ED4@inria.fr>
References: <34005448-595A-4E00-9D9C-45F5D63E6ED4@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_=q1Ori5TbVRc1HorydtUHtMmB6x-FjfvfgYX@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:
> Bonjour,
> I have an app. with a main stack which is use to keep one' accounts.
> 13 cards, on for each month and the last of the year'recapitulation.
> On each cards, one data grid, which has been installed with:
> -------
> copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" to
> this card
> -----
> Worked as expected up to now.
>
> Now, I want to be able to create new stacks (for each years)
> Up to now my stack was named, say "annual accounts".
>
> I just tried to replace the current name with "annual accounts 2010".
>
> Then, all works normally, (the datagrids of the 12 months are working
> normally)
> EXCEPT the data grid on the year card; when I go to the year card, I got the
> following answer message:
> ---------
> An error has occured in behavior for the
> column template;
> Chunk: can't find stack
> with "OK" or "Edit Script"
> ---------
> The same when I click on the button which calculates the data for the year
> and populates the datagrid: the handler is interrupted and I got several
> successive such messages.
>
> What am I missing here?
> I would like to be able, for example, to simply clone the stack 2010 (or a
> model stack) and only change the name to "annual accounts 2011"
>
> Thanks a lot in advance for any help
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
>
> Andr?

Bonjour Andr?,

Have you a default column behavior for this dg?
You can check with your copy of DGH by selecting the dg in the year
card, then open the Behaviors / Templates topic of DGH. If the default
column behavior field is filled, when you click on the 3 dots button,
you will obtain an error message from DGH.

A behavior points to the long id of a btn, so the name of the stack
which contain the behavior btn is store in the behavior. When you
change the name of a stack the link with the behavior is broken.


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Sep 25 17:03:40 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:03:40 +0200
Subject: (DataGrid) one datagrid can't find the stack when its name is
	changed
In-Reply-To: <1974642655.2930031.1285444824951.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
References: <34005448-595A-4E00-9D9C-45F5D63E6ED4@inria.fr>
	<1974642655.2930031.1285444824951.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <FAC67280-B6B1-4271-99F5-D2BA5A470237@inria.fr>


Le 25 sept. 10 ? 22:00, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr 
> > wrote:
>> Bonjour,
>> I have an app. with a main stack which is use to keep one' accounts.
>> 13 cards, on for each month and the last of the year'recapitulation.
>> On each cards, one data grid, which has been installed with:
>> -------
>> copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack  
>> "revDataGridLibrary" to
>> this card
>> -----
>> Worked as expected up to now.
>>
>> Now, I want to be able to create new stacks (for each years)
>> Up to now my stack was named, say "annual accounts".
>>
>> I just tried to replace the current name with "annual accounts 2010".
>>
>> Then, all works normally, (the datagrids of the 12 months are working
>> normally)
>> EXCEPT the data grid on the year card; when I go to the year card,  
>> I got the
>> following answer message:
>> ---------
>> An error has occured in behavior for the
>> column template;
>> Chunk: can't find stack
>> with "OK" or "Edit Script"
>> ---------
>> The same when I click on the button which calculates the data for  
>> the year
>> and populates the datagrid: the handler is interrupted and I got  
>> several
>> successive such messages.
>>
>> What am I missing here?
>> I would like to be able, for example, to simply clone the stack  
>> 2010 (or a
>> model stack) and only change the name to "annual accounts 2011"
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance for any help
>>
>> Best regards from Grenoble
>>
>> Andr?
>
> Bonjour Andr?

> Have you a default column behavior for this dg?
> You can check with your copy of DGH by selecting the dg in the year
> card, then open the Behaviors / Templates topic of DGH. If the default
> column behavior field is filled, when you click on the 3 dots button,
> you will obtain an error message from DGH.
>
> A behavior points to the long id of a btn, so the name of the stack
> which contain the behavior btn is store in the behavior. When you
> change the name of a stack the link with the behavior is broken.

Bonsoir TheSlug,

Yes I have a default column behavior
Oouuups! indeed, I was completely forgetting  that the name of the  
stack was hidden there!!
So I have to reset the behavior of the dataGrid when a new stack is  
created for a new year

Magnifique your DGH! a very useful tool indeed!

Thanks a lot for your quick and helpful answer; much appreciated ;-))

Have a good night

Andr?

>
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc






  

From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Sep 25 19:21:16 2010
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:21:16 -0700
Subject: Slow On-Rev?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>

  Anybody experiencing extreme slowness with On-Rev? I'm on Thor, I 
believe, and things are just crawling along . . .

Thanks,
Marty Knapp


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Sep 25 19:45:04 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:45:04 -0700
Subject: Radio Buttons on the Windoze version
In-Reply-To: <4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FBB084D3-DEBB-40CF-B37C-308C3B8C2866@cox.net>

Hi All,
I'm just completing an application and I find the Windoze version's Radio buttons are really tiny. Any chance there is a built-in option to increase their size? Size is fine for the Mac Version. I'm running it on WindowsXP under Fusion.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


On Sep 25, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Anybody experiencing extreme slowness with On-Rev? I'm on Thor, I believe, and things are just crawling along . . .
> 
> Thanks,
> Marty Knapp
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Sep 25 22:57:30 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:57:30 -0700
Subject: Radio Buttons on the Windoze version
In-Reply-To: <FBB084D3-DEBB-40CF-B37C-308C3B8C2866@cox.net>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>
	<FBB084D3-DEBB-40CF-B37C-308C3B8C2866@cox.net>
Message-ID: <92C8F79B-2798-4D29-A188-C2A69420A9CE@cox.net>

Just dawned on me that I CAN set the size of the controls, but that means the Mac version will be larger as well, unless I make two totally different versions. Has anyone tried making the sizes conditional on the OS? How could that work?

TIA,
Joe Wilkins

On Sep 25, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm just completing an application and I find the Windoze version's Radio buttons are really tiny. Any chance there is a built-in option to increase their size? Size is fine for the Mac Version. I'm running it on WindowsXP under Fusion.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Joe Wilkins


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Sep 25 23:05:28 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:05:28 -0700
Subject: Radio Buttons on the Windoze version
In-Reply-To: <92C8F79B-2798-4D29-A188-C2A69420A9CE@cox.net>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>
	<FBB084D3-DEBB-40CF-B37C-308C3B8C2866@cox.net>
	<92C8F79B-2798-4D29-A188-C2A69420A9CE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <36B69174-F433-4312-8DB2-4599D6569474@cox.net>

HMN! Doesn't work. Just changes the size of the rectangle; not the size of the button itself.

Oh, well. Windows just sucks!

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Just dawned on me that I CAN set the size of the controls, but that means the Mac version will be larger as well, unless I make two totally different versions. Has anyone tried making the sizes conditional on the OS? How could that work?
> 
> TIA,
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just completing an application and I find the Windoze version's Radio buttons are really tiny. Any chance there is a built-in option to increase their size? Size is fine for the Mac Version. I'm running it on WindowsXP under Fusion.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Joe Wilkins



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 26 00:17:04 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:17:04 -0500
Subject: Radio Buttons on the Windoze version
In-Reply-To: <36B69174-F433-4312-8DB2-4599D6569474@cox.net>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>	<FBB084D3-DEBB-40CF-B37C-308C3B8C2866@cox.net>	<92C8F79B-2798-4D29-A188-C2A69420A9CE@cox.net>
	<36B69174-F433-4312-8DB2-4599D6569474@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4C9EC940.5040508@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/25/10 10:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> HMN! Doesn't work. Just changes the size of the rectangle; not the
> size of the button itself.

As I understand it, the engine calls the OS to draw native controls, so 
however the system does it, that's how they look in your stacks. In 
general, that's a good thing. If the engine is doing its job, your stack 
radio buttons should be the same size as they are anywhere else in XP.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Sep 26 00:24:25 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:24:25 -0700
Subject: Radio Buttons on the Windoze version
In-Reply-To: <4C9EC940.5040508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>	<FBB084D3-DEBB-40CF-B37C-308C3B8C2866@cox.net>	<92C8F79B-2798-4D29-A188-C2A69420A9CE@cox.net>
	<36B69174-F433-4312-8DB2-4599D6569474@cox.net>
	<4C9EC940.5040508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <77750124-D683-45A8-85DA-3D4CEE73FCDA@cox.net>

As I surmised, Jaqi. Just another justification for not using Windows. Thanks.

Joe Wilkins

On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/25/10 10:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> HMN! Doesn't work. Just changes the size of the rectangle; not the
>> size of the button itself.
> 
> As I understand it, the engine calls the OS to draw native controls, so however the system does it, that's how they look in your stacks. In general, that's a good thing. If the engine is doing its job, your stack radio buttons should be the same size as they are anywhere else in XP.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep 26 02:16:26 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:16:26 -1000
Subject: Build XMLRPC request to Post to Word Press
Message-ID: <4C9EE53A.9000101@hindu.org>

  I'm trying to translate a Ruby frame work for posting to Word press 
into a Revolution upload script.

I don't know what I'm doing, so this is a fishing expedition (smile) and 
tomorrow I will go study the Word Press API and see if it is better 
tackling this without Ruby code in the middle of the R & D.

the "listener" on the server is the /blog/myblog/xmlrpc.php

script that handles input.

The API in use by the ruby example we already have working on the server 
to post from a  web page on the same box via local host, is using the 
MetaWebLogAPI.

I think I have cornered the key parts of the script:

Ruby has this function:
-------------------
require  xmlrpc/client

     def newPost(content, publish)
       @client.call('metaWeblog.newPost', @blogid, @username,
           @password, content, publish)
     end
where content is

content = {
       'title' => title,
       'description' => post
     }

and publish is a  boolean string, either "true" or "false"

-----------

I'm assuming I can talk to this xmlrpc.php  remotely, assuming the log 
in details are here. The ruby library "client.rb"  which is required is 
over my head completely, but I'm assuming that the RevXMLRPC liberay 
should work, if I knew what I was doing, which I don't

I gave it this much of a "stab" and I will later keep plugging away in 
the dark if anyone has any ideas, let me know.

on mouseUp
   local tRequest
   put revXMLRPC_CreateRequest(field "Host",field "Port",field 
"Path",field "Protocol") into tRequest
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "int", "1" # blog ide
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "user"
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "password"
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "metaWeblog.newPost" # I think 
the xmlrpc.php needs this...
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "Testing" # title of the post
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "Cool article" # 
description-article content
   revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "false" # send to drafts for 
now, don't publish.
   put revXMLRPC_Execute(tRequest) into  fld "result" # I get a number
   put tRequest into fld "result" # I would like to see what the request 
looks like but I don't get anything here...
end mouseUp

How do you get LiveCode to show you the full xml that has been built?  
That is being sent to the server?

Sivakatirswami



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 26 05:56:52 2010
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:56:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build XMLRPC request to Post to Word Press
In-Reply-To: <4C9EE53A.9000101@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <401090.92746.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>  I'm trying to translate a Ruby frame
> work for posting to Word press into a Revolution upload
> script.
> 
> I don't know what I'm doing, so this is a fishing
> expedition (smile) and tomorrow I will go study the Word
> Press API and see if it is better tackling this without Ruby
> code in the middle of the R & D.
> 
> the "listener" on the server is the
> /blog/myblog/xmlrpc.php
> 
> script that handles input.
> 
> The API in use by the ruby example we already have working
> on the server to post from a? web page on the same box
> via local host, is using the MetaWebLogAPI.
> 
> I think I have cornered the key parts of the script:
> 
> Ruby has this function:
> -------------------
> require? xmlrpc/client
> 
> ? ? def newPost(content, publish)
> ? ? ? @client.call('metaWeblog.newPost',
> @blogid, @username,
> ? ? ? ? ? @password, content,
> publish)
> ? ? end
> where content is
> 
> content = {
> ? ? ? 'title' => title,
> ? ? ? 'description' => post
> ? ? }
> 
> and publish is a? boolean string, either "true" or
> "false"
> 
> -----------
> 
> I'm assuming I can talk to this xmlrpc.php? remotely,
> assuming the log in details are here. The ruby library
> "client.rb"? which is required is over my head
> completely, but I'm assuming that the RevXMLRPC liberay
> should work, if I knew what I was doing, which I don't
> 
> I gave it this much of a "stab" and I will later keep
> plugging away in the dark if anyone has any ideas, let me
> know.
> 
> on mouseUp
> ? local tRequest
> ? put revXMLRPC_CreateRequest(field "Host",field
> "Port",field "Path",field "Protocol") into tRequest
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "int", "1" # blog ide
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "user"
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "password"
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string",
> "metaWeblog.newPost" # I think the xmlrpc.php needs this...
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "Testing" #
> title of the post
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "Cool
> article" # description-article content
> ? revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "false" #
> send to drafts for now, don't publish.
> ? put revXMLRPC_Execute(tRequest) into? fld
> "result" # I get a number
> ? put tRequest into fld "result" # I would like to see
> what the request looks like but I don't get anything
> here...
> end mouseUp
> 
> How do you get LiveCode to show you the full xml that has
> been built?? That is being sent to the server?
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> 

The XMLRPC document id is actually the id of the backing XML tree.
So to show the XML string that was built, simply use:
##
put revXmlText(tRequest, "methodCall", true) into fld "Request"
##

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Sun Sep 26 07:10:11 2010
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:10:11 +0100
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Hello folks,

I really really want to make  a Rev  (Ooops) LiveCode app with a push pull interface like on a mixing slider, or 'dive' and 'pull up' on a plain old joystick. 

I have raised questions about this a few times on the list over a number of years, and got some helpful pointers.  However, having followed these into the underpants of USB, I have discovered that is not a place I have the ability to work.  So I give up.

Is there anyone on this list who could create a cross platform extension or library thingy which would allow me to read the state(s) of an ordinary, off the shelf USB joystick?  If so, what would the cost be?


Best Wishes,

David Glasgow

i-psych.co.uk




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 08:50:34 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:50:34 +0300
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
Message-ID: <4C9F419A.2010900@gmail.com>

  I have just spent 4 hours of 'fun' doing, as is my
method, a down-grade . . .  :)

i.e. shovelling various bits of stuff from my 'popped' G4
into my "squeaky-clean, brand-new, pre-loved" G3 Yosemite.

Glad to report that all the stuff written about how useless the Zip-Drive
socket it are wrong, as have a 400 GB ATA Hard Disk merrily humming
away in there.

USB 2 PCI card.

Despite those who may look down their noses; the machine does exactly
what I need it to do - and for 50 pounds postage that is hard to fault.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BUT; having "scraped out" my G4 - just seen a Gypsy on a bicycle picking
up the shell from the rubbish bin; good lad! -

I have 4 x 500 MB RAM for G4 Macs sitting looking at me . . .

So, as a way of saying 'Thank You' to the generous person who sent me the G3
for the cost of the postage . . .

. . . I am offering 2 GB of G4 RAM to anybody who wants it for the postage!

[ which should be minimal ]

Will consider exchanging it for a FireWire enclosure from within the 
European Union.

Contact me OFF-List.

Love, Richmond.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 09:31:06 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:31:06 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
Message-ID: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>

Hi friends,

I just updated my website to reflect the new name of our favorite IDE
and also took the chance to complement and streamline the whole thing.

Since I am not a native english speaker I would appreciate any hints
where my translation is not correct or a bit clumsy", thank you!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 26 11:12:15 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:12:15 -0300
Subject: Build XMLRPC request to Post to Word Press
In-Reply-To: <4C9EE53A.9000101@hindu.org>
References: <4C9EE53A.9000101@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimz1ZYCtpd+tE1cMdn8J=heh_y8ZUF=-apFYu=x@mail.gmail.com>

Swami,

Check on RevOnline, I have a revolution built metaweblog tool there.
Actually we use the same libraries on our HPI Generator. The code is there
for doing all basic wordpress posting stuff.

Andre

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

>  I'm trying to translate a Ruby frame work for posting to Word press into a
> Revolution upload script.
>
> I don't know what I'm doing, so this is a fishing expedition (smile) and
> tomorrow I will go study the Word Press API and see if it is better tackling
> this without Ruby code in the middle of the R & D.
>
> the "listener" on the server is the /blog/myblog/xmlrpc.php
>
> script that handles input.
>
> The API in use by the ruby example we already have working on the server to
> post from a  web page on the same box via local host, is using the
> MetaWebLogAPI.
>
> I think I have cornered the key parts of the script:
>
> Ruby has this function:
> -------------------
> require  xmlrpc/client
>
>    def newPost(content, publish)
>      @client.call('metaWeblog.newPost', @blogid, @username,
>          @password, content, publish)
>    end
> where content is
>
> content = {
>      'title' => title,
>      'description' => post
>    }
>
> and publish is a  boolean string, either "true" or "false"
>
> -----------
>
> I'm assuming I can talk to this xmlrpc.php  remotely, assuming the log in
> details are here. The ruby library "client.rb"  which is required is over my
> head completely, but I'm assuming that the RevXMLRPC liberay should work, if
> I knew what I was doing, which I don't
>
> I gave it this much of a "stab" and I will later keep plugging away in the
> dark if anyone has any ideas, let me know.
>
> on mouseUp
>  local tRequest
>  put revXMLRPC_CreateRequest(field "Host",field "Port",field "Path",field
> "Protocol") into tRequest
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "int", "1" # blog ide
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "user"
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "password"
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "metaWeblog.newPost" # I think the
> xmlrpc.php needs this...
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "Testing" # title of the post
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "Cool article" #
> description-article content
>  revXMLRPC_AddParam tRequest, "string", "false" # send to drafts for now,
> don't publish.
>  put revXMLRPC_Execute(tRequest) into  fld "result" # I get a number
>  put tRequest into fld "result" # I would like to see what the request
> looks like but I don't get anything here...
> end mouseUp
>
> How do you get LiveCode to show you the full xml that has been built?  That
> is being sent to the server?
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
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From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Sun Sep 26 11:18:44 2010
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:18:44 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <06ED99EF-4EAB-4770-9DBA-4F6004330EA9@unil.ch>

Hi Klaus,

I'm not a native german speaker but... Entwickl-i-ng (on home page) sounds rather like Schwytzert?tch...

Jacques


Le 26 sept. 2010 ? 15:31, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :

> Hi friends,
> 
> I just updated my website to reflect the new name of our favorite IDE
> and also took the chance to complement and streamline the whole thing.
> 
> Since I am not a native english speaker I would appreciate any hints
> where my translation is not correct or a bit clumsy", thank you!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 26 11:33:30 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:33:30 -0300
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincxEafmZ4ngaPET+XcPNZTKcwh2SgznMKUFjtj@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

On the reference pages why not list most recent work on top and then go down
the years, this way it is easier to find what you're up with!

(And maybe some search ranking algorithms will crawl better since they might
think more important content comes first, or at least it is how I would
implement them since I want to a social communications course with all the
journalism stuff saying to get the important fact out first and then dabble
on the details after)

:D

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> I just updated my website to reflect the new name of our favorite IDE
> and also took the chance to complement and streamline the whole thing.
>
> Since I am not a native english speaker I would appreciate any hints
> where my translation is not correct or a bit clumsy", thank you!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 11:36:27 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:36:27 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <06ED99EF-4EAB-4770-9DBA-4F6004330EA9@unil.ch>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<06ED99EF-4EAB-4770-9DBA-4F6004330EA9@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <A24D4298-53C6-44CB-989D-A2DFE1606BA8@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jacques,

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> I'm not a native german speaker but... Entwickl-i-ng (on home page) sounds rather like Schwytzert?tch...

Ouch, thanks for the hint!

> Jacques

Thanks to all taht have helped me so far, you guys ROCK! :-)


Best

Klaus

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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 11:38:32 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:38:32 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTincxEafmZ4ngaPET+XcPNZTKcwh2SgznMKUFjtj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<AANLkTincxEafmZ4ngaPET+XcPNZTKcwh2SgznMKUFjtj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FD504DB-EBE4-4997-9540-EA727E090BA1@major.on-rev.com>

Bom dias Andre,

> Klaus,
> 
> On the reference pages why not list most recent work on top and then go down
> the years, this way it is easier to find what you're up with!

Good question, I will consider this ;-)

> (And maybe some search ranking algorithms will crawl better since they might
> think more important content comes first, or at least it is how I would
> implement them since I want to a social communications course with all the
> journalism stuff saying to get the important fact out first and then dabble
> on the details after)
> 
> :D

:-D


Best and thanks

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sun Sep 26 11:38:58 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:38:58 -0400
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
In-Reply-To: <4C9F419A.2010900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF4526308F.B7AA6FE5-ON852577AA.00559D89-852577AA.0055FAB3@sealedair.com>

Richmond wrote:
> BUT; having "scraped out" my G4 - just seen a Gypsy on a bicycle picking
> up the shell from the rubbish bin; good lad!

Too bad you threw out the shell.  This could have been a fun project for
you.
http://www.disruptiveelement.com/G4_Powermac_Hack.html

~Roger



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 26 12:16:00 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:16:00 -0500
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook: Where do the Files Go?
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONMEJGCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <20100924184423.5959A288CA0@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONMEJGCJAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rreTPPoZ9GcLUS5fmH6UZ-Oe1_GfsPkWYRpRr@mail.gmail.com>

Very clear. Thanks, Hugh.

On 25 September 2010 12:49, FlexibleLearning <admin at flexiblelearning.com>wrote:

> Recently added to the Scripter's Scrapbook on-line reference library:
>
> http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk/support/WhereDoTheFilesGo.pdf
>
> Following changes to the way plugins are treated in LiveCode 4.5, this
> document explains the three install alternatives for using your Scrapbook
> as
> a plugin, as a stack file, and with a standAlone application program.
>
> I hope it will be helpful.
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 26 12:17:36 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:17:36 -0700
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>

Klaus-

...and turn up the bass...

-- 
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 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 12:54:21 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:54:21 +0300
Subject: [OT] Wonderful people
In-Reply-To: <OF4526308F.B7AA6FE5-ON852577AA.00559D89-852577AA.0055FAB3@sealedair.com>
References: <OF4526308F.B7AA6FE5-ON852577AA.00559D89-852577AA.0055FAB3@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <4C9F7ABD.3080504@gmail.com>

  On 09/26/2010 06:38 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> BUT; having "scraped out" my G4 - just seen a Gypsy on a bicycle picking
>> up the shell from the rubbish bin; good lad!
> Too bad you threw out the shell.  This could have been a fun project for
> you.
> http://www.disruptiveelement.com/G4_Powermac_Hack.html
>
> ~Roger
>
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That presupposes I have the time and the money for all
those components; which I don't.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 26 12:57:22 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:57:22 -0500
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>
	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>

It's all on the net. Your cheapest and easiest solution is to use a Keyspan
USB to serial adapter and Rs-232 serial protocol. Here's one hit from
searching google for "joystick rs232". Sooner or later, some soldering may
be required.

Interfacing Atari-style joysticks to PC parallel and serial
ports<http://www.epanorama.net/documents/joystick/pc_misc.html>



On 26 September 2010 06:10, David Glasgow <david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I really really want to make  a Rev  (Ooops) LiveCode app with a push pull
> interface like on a mixing slider, or 'dive' and 'pull up' on a plain old
> joystick.
>
> I have raised questions about this a few times on the list over a number of
> years, and got some helpful pointers.  However, having followed these into
> the underpants of USB, I have discovered that is not a place I have the
> ability to work.  So I give up.
>
> Is there anyone on this list who could create a cross platform extension or
> library thingy which would allow me to read the state(s) of an ordinary, off
> the shelf USB joystick?  If so, what would the cost be?
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> David Glasgow
>
> i-psych.co.uk
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 13:25:56 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:25:56 +0300
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9F8224.3090801@gmail.com>

  On 26/09/2010 19:57PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> It's all on the net. Your cheapest and easiest solution is to use a Keyspan
> USB to serial adapter and Rs-232 serial protocol. Here's one hit from
> searching google for "joystick rs232". Sooner or later, some soldering may
> be required.
>
> Interfacing Atari-style joysticks to PC parallel and serial
> ports<http://www.epanorama.net/documents/joystick/pc_misc.html>
>
>

I think the above is missing the point; presumably David has a USB 
joystick and a USB port
on his target computer; so no need to do "the down-and-dirty" with the 
soldering iron.

What he needs to do is ascertain is, for example, whether the USB 
joystick sends Unicode chars when
it is moved, rather like the chars for right-arrow and left-arrow on a 
keyboard, and whether
they are interpreted by the computer as mouseDown and mouseStillDown 
signals.

I have a Belkin Nostromo (silly gaming pad) which I use for 
RunRev/LiveCode programming:
now it comes with a set-up control panel where one can set all the keys, 
wheels and twiddly things
on it to do what one wants - having set up one's preferences 
RunRev/LiveCode can pick up
whatever I do on the Nostromo without any trouble at all.

However, I suspect that David is trying to be somewhat cleverer than me, 
insofar as he wants
to 'skip' the requirement of an intermediate, platform specific, set-up 
panel / driver-thingy.

My own inclinations would be to run round the corner and buy a crappy 
USB joystick and plug the
thing in, and then set up some silly little stack that will pick up the 
signals from the USB stick

[ they cannot be that other-worldly ]

and see whether they can be interpreted as KeyDown, rawKeyDown type 
signals . . .

> On 26 September 2010 06:10, David Glasgow<david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I really really want to make  a Rev  (Ooops) LiveCode app with a push pull
>> interface like on a mixing slider, or 'dive' and 'pull up' on a plain old
>> joystick.
>>
>> I have raised questions about this a few times on the list over a number of
>> years, and got some helpful pointers.  However, having followed these into
>> the underpants of USB, I have discovered that is not a place I have the
>> ability to work.  So I give up.
>>
>> Is there anyone on this list who could create a cross platform extension or
>> library thingy which would allow me to read the state(s) of an ordinary, off
>> the shelf USB joystick?  If so, what would the cost be?
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> David Glasgow
>>
>> i-psych.co.uk



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 13:25:35 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:25:35 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mark,

> Klaus-
> 
> ...and turn up the bass...

Yeah, you BET! :-D

> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 13:33:01 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:33:01 +0300
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>	<90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
	<F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4C9F83CD.9090704@gmail.com>

  On 09/26/2010 08:25 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
>> Klaus-
>>
>> ...and turn up the bass...
> Yeah, you BET! :-D
>
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
Piccolo, piccolo . . . :)

Good to see that you back; badder and more dangerous than before!

Love, Richmond.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 13:53:27 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:53:27 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <4C9F83CD.9090704@gmail.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>	<90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
	<F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
	<4C9F83CD.9090704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85CE6956-FE5A-4118-BE84-7A8AD3BBFFA7@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richmond,

> On 09/26/2010 08:25 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>>> Klaus-
>>> 
>>> ...and turn up the bass...
>> Yeah, you BET! :-D
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> -Mark Wieder
>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
> Piccolo, piccolo . . . :)

To quote one of my favourite scenes form Woody Allen's 
"What you always wanted to know about sex...":
"Piccolo? Ha! Com' un pane franchessa!"

OK, you have to know the movie to get the joke ;-)

> Good to see that you back; badder and more dangerous than before!

:-D

> Love, Richmond.

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Sep 26 13:57:53 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:57:53 -0700
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>
	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75235288281.20100926105753@ahsoftware.net>

stephen-

Sunday, September 26, 2010, 9:57:22 AM, you wrote:

> It's all on the net. Your cheapest and easiest solution is to use a Keyspan
> USB to serial adapter and Rs-232 serial protocol.

I seem to have acquired two of these contraptions through general
packratting and have no use for them right now. I'd be happy to offer
these to anyone for the postage.

http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3915

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Sep 26 13:59:06 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:59:06 -0400
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <85CE6956-FE5A-4118-BE84-7A8AD3BBFFA7@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
	<F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
	<4C9F83CD.9090704@gmail.com>
	<85CE6956-FE5A-4118-BE84-7A8AD3BBFFA7@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <017BC44B-393C-4E37-B4F4-10FB47392173@verizon.net>


On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> 
> "What you always wanted to know about sex...":

Your translation of the title isn't quite right:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068555/

I suspect that some teenage boys would be giggling at the fact that the star of that film has the name "woody".





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 14:15:11 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:15:11 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <017BC44B-393C-4E37-B4F4-10FB47392173@verizon.net>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
	<F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
	<4C9F83CD.9090704@gmail.com>
	<85CE6956-FE5A-4118-BE84-7A8AD3BBFFA7@major.on-rev.com>
	<017BC44B-393C-4E37-B4F4-10FB47392173@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EF696F83-AA7C-4E5B-9644-AE431C0337AD@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Colin,

> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> 
>> "What you always wanted to know about sex...":
> 
> Your translation of the title isn't quite right:
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068555/

Ah, right, I was just translating the german title...

> I suspect that some teenage boys would be giggling at the fact that the star of that film has the name "woody".

LOL :-D


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 26 14:54:16 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:54:16 -0500
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <4C9F8224.3090801@gmail.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>
	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9F8224.3090801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8fZ8ZBfOo_X94fwLn=yZbATg81njoyZQ9H30u@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond, many people have tried and failed to grok the USB stuff, and the
HID manager appears to not be that simple as keydown. It's not a keyboard,
it's a totally different API.

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#samplecode/HID_Manager_Basics/Introduction/Intro.html

On 26 September 2010 12:25, Richmond Mathewson
<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> My own inclinations would be to run round the corner and buy a crappy USB
> joystick and plug the
> thing in, and then set up some silly little stack that will pick up the
> signals from the USB stick
>
> [ they cannot be that other-worldly ]
>
> and see whether they can be interpreted as KeyDown, rawKeyDown type signals
> . . .
>
>
>
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 14:57:03 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:57:03 +0300
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin8fZ8ZBfOo_X94fwLn=yZbATg81njoyZQ9H30u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9F8224.3090801@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin8fZ8ZBfOo_X94fwLn=yZbATg81njoyZQ9H30u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9F977F.6060105@gmail.com>

  On 09/26/2010 09:54 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> Richmond, many people have tried and failed to grok the USB stuff, and the
> HID manager appears to not be that simple as keydown. It's not a keyboard,
> it's a totally different API.
>

OK; my mistake was precipitated by my plugging my Nostromo into
my "new" G3 running Mac OS 10.4.11 and getting an "unknown Keyboard"
signal.


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 26 14:58:26 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:58:26 -0500
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<90229271140.20100926091736@ahsoftware.net>
	<F48873FB-3E65-4702-A1F3-D51EFCA1CF14@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=aqPv61bhSMivyf4nokuEfzK8Vbe0GMOkLOjAw@mail.gmail.com>

I love this, one bad-ass revolutionary bass player congratulating another.

On 26 September 2010 12:25, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> > Klaus-
> >
> > ...and turn up the bass...
>
> Yeah, you BET! :-D
>
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> > mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 26 15:04:56 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:04:56 -0500
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <4C9F977F.6060105@gmail.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>
	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9F8224.3090801@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin8fZ8ZBfOo_X94fwLn=yZbATg81njoyZQ9H30u@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9F977F.6060105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrYpkctR4V_BkP0OEoMWy12HbF_Q5Cs_eL4kcz@mail.gmail.com>

unless there's an extension mapping it to the keyboard routines. A
reasonable conclusion.    It would be great someone made a joystick as easy
to read as barcode scanner.  It's ironic that the toughest to implement
interfaces were formerly the simplest. ( like the single - bit ports on the
Apple ][)

On 26 September 2010 13:57, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

>  On 09/26/2010 09:54 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Richmond, many people have tried and failed to grok the USB stuff, and the
>> HID manager appears to not be that simple as keydown. It's not a keyboard,
>> it's a totally different API.
>>
>>
> OK; my mistake was precipitated by my plugging my Nostromo into
> my "new" G3 running Mac OS 10.4.11 and getting an "unknown Keyboard"
> signal.
>
> _______________________________________________
>


-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 15:12:15 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:12:15 +0300
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrYpkctR4V_BkP0OEoMWy12HbF_Q5Cs_eL4kcz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924221559.076B628812A@mail.runrev.com>	<74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<AANLkTikXfO2i_4skALPndO7hLTZ7Vux-yb09hLGGnyPj@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9F8224.3090801@gmail.com>	<AANLkTin8fZ8ZBfOo_X94fwLn=yZbATg81njoyZQ9H30u@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9F977F.6060105@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrYpkctR4V_BkP0OEoMWy12HbF_Q5Cs_eL4kcz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9F9B0F.7020801@gmail.com>

  On 09/26/2010 10:04 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> unless there's an extension mapping it to the keyboard routines. A
> reasonable conclusion.    It would be great someone made a joystick as easy
> to read as barcode scanner.  It's ironic that the toughest to implement
> interfaces were formerly the simplest. ( like the single - bit ports on the
> Apple ][)
>
> On 26 September 2010 13:57, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>
  Cop a look at this:

http://www.legacyengineer.com/store.html

"Classic USB Joystick Controller"


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 16:17:58 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:17:58 +0200
Subject: (DataGrid) one datagrid can't find the stack when its name is
	changed
In-Reply-To: <FAC67280-B6B1-4271-99F5-D2BA5A470237@inria.fr>
References: <34005448-595A-4E00-9D9C-45F5D63E6ED4@inria.fr>
	<1974642655.2930031.1285444824951.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<FAC67280-B6B1-4271-99F5-D2BA5A470237@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Xj2q9EuMt-JhvdPwRjG_Fdc3cZccBHxpSxft6@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Andre.Bisseret
<Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:
>
> Le 25 sept. 10 ? 22:00, zryip theSlug a ?crit :
>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Andre.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>> I have an app. with a main stack which is use to keep one' accounts.
>>> 13 cards, on for each month and the last of the year'recapitulation.
>>> On each cards, one data grid, which has been installed with:
>>> -------
>>> copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"
>>> to
>>> this card
>>> -----
>>> Worked as expected up to now.
>>>
>>> Now, I want to be able to create new stacks (for each years)
>>> Up to now my stack was named, say "annual accounts".
>>>
>>> I just tried to replace the current name with "annual accounts 2010".
>>>
>>> Then, all works normally, (the datagrids of the 12 months are working
>>> normally)
>>> EXCEPT the data grid on the year card; when I go to the year card, I got
>>> the
>>> following answer message:
>>> ---------
>>> An error has occured in behavior for the
>>> column template;
>>> Chunk: can't find stack
>>> with "OK" or "Edit Script"
>>> ---------
>>> The same when I click on the button which calculates the data for the
>>> year
>>> and populates the datagrid: the handler is interrupted and I got several
>>> successive such messages.
>>>
>>> What am I missing here?
>>> I would like to be able, for example, to simply clone the stack 2010 (or
>>> a
>>> model stack) and only change the name to "annual accounts 2011"
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot in advance for any help
>>>
>>> Best regards from Grenoble
>>>
>>> Andr?
>>
>> Bonjour Andr?
>
>> Have you a default column behavior for this dg?
>> You can check with your copy of DGH by selecting the dg in the year
>> card, then open the Behaviors / Templates topic of DGH. If the default
>> column behavior field is filled, when you click on the 3 dots button,
>> you will obtain an error message from DGH.
>>
>> A behavior points to the long id of a btn, so the name of the stack
>> which contain the behavior btn is store in the behavior. When you
>> change the name of a stack the link with the behavior is broken.
>
> Bonsoir TheSlug,
>
> Yes I have a default column behavior
> Oouuups! indeed, I was completely forgetting ?that the name of the stack was
> hidden there!!
> So I have to reset the behavior of the dataGrid when a new stack is created
> for a new year
>
> Magnifique your DGH! a very useful tool indeed!

Thanks Andr?, I'm glad that you find DGH useful.

> Thanks a lot for your quick and helpful answer; much appreciated ;-))

You're welcome Andr?! 8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 16:21:38 2010
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:21:38 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimV=P5ZHFvb+6udkVDh_gPQOqCM2kHNR9wwvhgK@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com> wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> I just updated my website to reflect the new name of our favorite IDE
> and also took the chance to complement and streamline the whole thing.
>
> Since I am not a native english speaker I would appreciate any hints
> where my translation is not correct or a bit clumsy", thank you!
>

Nice website Klaus! 8-)


-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From psahores at free.fr  Sun Sep 26 16:25:22 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:25:22 +0200
Subject: Slow On-Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>
References: <AANLkTin1ji9z4K4x66_O96NZ0G6v7aZBG4EwSi1zbV70@mail.gmail.com>	<58D9C929-CAE4-4339-A509-DBC86EA727CA@swcp.com>	<4C9BA067.2050801@hyperactivesw.com>	<1285282650339-2552864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim1PB15BdguHq-NfdmKOXNaOZnVbsbRTjRqHgvz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E83EC.9050904@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F7BE541D-0E41-44CC-86AC-E62CD3BA3C1D@free.fr>

No problem at all on my side (loki server) with, over the last 30 days :

Uptime
99.98%
Average of all checks.

Downtime
10m 41s
Total of all checks.

Avg. Response Time
1840 ms
Average of all checks.

as the responses provided by the pingdom.com on-line service.

Best,

Pierre


Le 26 sept. 2010 ? 01:21, Marty Knapp a ?crit :

> Anybody experiencing extreme slowness with On-Rev? I'm on Thor, I believe, and things are just crawling along . . .
> 
> Thanks,
> Marty Knapp
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www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com








From psahores at free.fr  Sun Sep 26 16:55:43 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:55:43 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <F30417F7-55B1-4A08-96C0-FE6BA9CA52C6@free.fr>

Good to see that you went never really away from concert stages even after and indeed the tennis-helbow event ... ;-)

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 26 sept. 2010 ? 15:31, Klaus on-rev a ?crit :

> Hi friends,
> 
> I just updated my website to reflect the new name of our favorite IDE
> and also took the chance to complement and streamline the whole thing.
> 
> Since I am not a native english speaker I would appreciate any hints
> where my translation is not correct or a bit clumsy", thank you!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 

--
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mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com






From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Sep 26 17:08:36 2010
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:08:36 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updated website
In-Reply-To: <F30417F7-55B1-4A08-96C0-FE6BA9CA52C6@free.fr>
References: <CDAF91FB-BDDA-4084-9EB7-E6623B76F076@major.on-rev.com>
	<F30417F7-55B1-4A08-96C0-FE6BA9CA52C6@free.fr>
Message-ID: <FF036C1A-8686-4671-81E0-77C49BB8DD82@major.on-rev.com>

Bonsoir Pierre,

> Good to see that you went never really away from concert stages even after and indeed the tennis-helbow event ... ;-)

Yep, except the mandatory break of two years.
I like your typo (if it was one!) "tennis helbow" :-D

> Kind Regards,
> 
> Pierre

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From DunbarX at aol.com  Sun Sep 26 22:15:51 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:15:51 EDT
Subject: data from USB joystick
Message-ID: <1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>

The USB Service Plus gadget would do all this and be fun to work with as 
well.

http://www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html


From sundown at pacifier.com  Sun Sep 26 22:55:15 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:55:15 -0700
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>
References: <1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>
Message-ID: <31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>

If I understood him correctly he wants to plug any standard USD game
device into his computer and control it with LiveCode.  For him to use
the USB Service Plus gadget he might get it to work but then anyone
using the game he develops would need to buy the gadget which is
not going to happen so that idea does not seem suitable.

I had mentioned I was working on a serial communications stack that
was going to allow you to also control X10 and similar home control
devices accessing a X10 USB or similar device with Livecode.  This
appears to be feasible by opening the port with livecode and then
using the right driver to access the USB device.

The problem I had was after opening the serial port I was able to
send a certain amount of text and then rev would not send anymore
which makes me think they are using a memory buffer in their code
that fills up.  So if that is what is happening even if you are able to
control the USB device it will stop after the buffer is full which means
you will need to close the port and open it again which empties the
buffer allowing you to send the same amount of text again.  That is
going to cause problems if you need to close the port and open it
again during game play.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> The USB Service Plus gadget would do all this and be fun to work with as 
> well.
> 
> http://www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Sep 26 23:43:14 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:43:14 -0500
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>
References: <1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>
	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>

So that simple $20 USB joystick that Richmond mentioned is not the exact
solution that the original poster wanted?
That USB Service plus is great for labs but did you see the prices of that
stuff? And it probably has to be shipped from Germany.

On 26 September 2010 21:55, -=>JB<=- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

> If I understood him correctly he wants to plug any standard USD game
> device into his computer and control it with LiveCode.  For him to use
> the USB Service Plus gadget he might get it to work but then anyone
> using the game he develops would need to buy the gadget which is
> not going to happen so that idea does not seem suitable.
>
> I had mentioned I was working on a serial communications stack that
> was going to allow you to also control X10 and similar home control
> devices accessing a X10 USB or similar device with Livecode.  This
> appears to be feasible by opening the port with livecode and then
> using the right driver to access the USB device.
>
> The problem I had was after opening the serial port I was able to
> send a certain amount of text and then rev would not send anymore
> which makes me think they are using a memory buffer in their code
> that fills up.  So if that is what is happening even if you are able to
> control the USB device it will stop after the buffer is full which means
> you will need to close the port and open it again which empties the
> buffer allowing you to send the same amount of text again.  That is
> going to cause problems if you need to close the port and open it
> again during game play.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>
> > The USB Service Plus gadget would do all this and be fun to work with as
> > well.
> >
> > http://www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Sep 27 06:05:29 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:05:29 +0100
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>

I've spent the weekend refreshing on databases. I'm using LiveCode and also
Trevor's fabulous sqlYoga, and beginning to realise how little I know about
databases! The question I've got is about the database schema design and
optimising it for the speed of adding records.

* Exporting Handlers*
I think I may be missing some basic things, as it seems to me that the only
easy way to force an update to be unique is to use primary keys. You can use
"triggers" but this seems like this would be slower. However if I uses a
surrogate primary key (ie the usual auto-incremented numeric id field), for
each updated record I need to check first whether it is already in the
database before adding it - this is a lot of overhead in terms of finding
the ids based on other fields. However I ran in to problems using composite
primary keys, as the queries got a too complicated for me to track down the
bugs in them easily.

To elaborate on the example - in LiveCode each and every handler in the
LiveCode environment can be uniquely identified by the following fields:

   1. handler_name
   2. handler_type (ie one of "c,f,g,s" standing for "command", "function",
   "getprop", "setprop")
   3. location (the "rugged id" of the LiveCode control - ie control id 1387
   of card id 1002 of stack "Test")
   4. hander_num (not usually useful - but there can be more than one
   identical handler in a script, only "1" is ever called)
   5. handler_scope ("p" for "private" for example)

>From these elements you can define a unique reference to a given handler in
script with the following type of "key"

   - test_Command,c,stack "Test",1,p

Which would refer to (the firsts instance of) a private command
"test_Command" in script of the the stack "Test". I've been using this way
to refer to handlers for years and have a large library of code that
manipulates references to handlers, ie:

   - hkey_EditScript hKey
   - put hkey_GetHandler (hKey ) into somehandler
   - put hkey_ExtractHandlerCalls (hKey ) into hKey s

Therefore in database terminology hKey is a composite primary key, and you
can make this a composite primary key. This has the advantage of enforcing
that addition of keys to the database is normalized - that is adding an hKey
that already exists fails to add a duplicate entry.

The problem I am having is that while using a composite primary key is great
for making the updates fast and simple - it is giving me headaches with the
more complex joins and queries, I'm building in LiveCode / sqlYoga. However
I do need these updates to be as fast as possible - a few ticks for adding
several hundred records, as I want to automatically add them to the database
every time a script is compiled.

These are the options I can think of:

   1. Stick to composite primary keys for the handler table, and battle
   through all the bugs / issues with using complex joins based on composite
   keys.
   2. Use "triggers" - and unknown to me, not tested with regard to speed,
   and looks like it may be difficult to keep sqlite and online db in sync, as
   they may not share the same way of implementing "triggers".
   3. Use a "staging" table of some sort - use composite primary keys on
   this temporary table, and then at a later date (perhaps when the stack is
   saved) process this temporary table, moving the data into the db proper.
   4. Asynchronously update the db - perhaps using a slave process, to
   maintain GUI responsiveness.
   5. Something else?

At the moment I am going for 3, as it seems to offer the best in terms of
keeping the db design as conventional as possible, and speed in terms of GUI
response.

Any advice from the db experts out there?


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 27 06:31:36 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:31:36 +1000
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi David
> 
> However if I uses a
> surrogate primary key (ie the usual auto-incremented numeric id field), for
> each updated record I need to check first whether it is already in the
> database before adding it - this is a lot of overhead in terms of finding
> the ids based on other fields.

I haven't yet used SQLYoga but I'm sure Trevor has this all worked out. SQLite will handle the auto increment of integer primary keys when you INSERT without an ID field and then you query 
put revDataFromQuery(,,sDB,"select last_insert_rowid()") into tID

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Sep 27 07:15:22 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:15:22 +0100
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
In-Reply-To: <9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>
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HI Monte - hows down-under :)

On 27 September 2010 11:31, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

>
> I haven't yet used SQLYoga but I'm sure Trevor has this all worked out.
> SQLite will handle the auto increment of integer primary keys when you
> INSERT without an ID field and then you query
> put revDataFromQuery(,,sDB,"select last_insert_rowid()") into tID
>

The issue is not the automatic creation on surrogate keys - and retrieving
of the value (as above). The issue is preventing adding of duplicate
records. I want to prevent adding the same hKey, say:

test_Command | c | stack "Test" | 1

to the database. Using INSERT with the primary key set to the autoincrement
id field, you would get records like this:

*id |      name       | type |   location   | hnum*
 1 | test_Command    |   c  | stack "Test" |  1
 2 | test_Command    |   c  | stack "Test" |  1
 3 | another_Command |   c  | stack "Test" |  1
 4 | another_Command |   c  | stack "Test" |  1

Only by making the primary key = "name,type,location,hnum" instead of "id"
woudl you get a fast normalisation of the data inserted.


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 27 07:50:00 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:50:00 +1000
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=bwQEzkMPdXAKvtHOsRTzbnKN=CTCe9MgOD3Pr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=bwQEzkMPdXAKvtHOsRTzbnKN=CTCe9MgOD3Pr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BCB312B8-2B04-4247-A426-6BE8751B8A42@sweattechnologies.com>

> HI Monte - hows down-under :)

Getting better all the time ;-)
> 
> Only by making the primary key = "name,type,location,hnum" instead of "id"
> woudl you get a fast normalisation of the data inserted.

You can create an secondary key for those fields and still use your primary key auto-increment field for a foreign key in other tables.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Sep 27 08:18:39 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:18:39 +0100
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
In-Reply-To: <BCB312B8-2B04-4247-A426-6BE8751B8A42@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=bwQEzkMPdXAKvtHOsRTzbnKN=CTCe9MgOD3Pr@mail.gmail.com>
	<BCB312B8-2B04-4247-A426-6BE8751B8A42@sweattechnologies.com>
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OK - not getting very far with that - Google is not my friend :)

Can you give me an idea of what the CREATE statement would look like?

CREATE TABLE 'handler' (
>     'name' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,

    'type' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>     'location' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>     'handler_num' INTEGER NOT NULL,
>     PRIMARY KEY ('name', 'type', 'location', 'handler_num')
> );
>

With a surrogate key:

CREATE TABLE 'handler' (
    'id' INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT NOT NULL,
    'name' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    'type' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    'location' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    'handler_num' INTEGER NOT NULL,
);

So how do I create a secondary key from "name,type,location,handler_num" and
make sure that these combined columns are unique?

On 27 September 2010 12:50, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

> > HI Monte - hows down-under :)
>
> Getting better all the time ;-)
> >
> > Only by making the primary key = "name,type,location,hnum" instead of
> "id"
> > woudl you get a fast normalisation of the data inserted.
>
> You can create an secondary key for those fields and still use your primary
> key auto-increment field for a foreign key in other tables.
>


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Sep 27 08:44:21 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:44:21 +1000
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=My80SeNN2JaF8+G2acMpVHK68SRQ54haLYzaM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=bwQEzkMPdXAKvtHOsRTzbnKN=CTCe9MgOD3Pr@mail.gmail.com>
	<BCB312B8-2B04-4247-A426-6BE8751B8A42@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=My80SeNN2JaF8+G2acMpVHK68SRQ54haLYzaM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CE47FD4-3469-4477-A13E-DA686C1FCE87@sweattechnologies.com>

Try:

-- -----------------------------------------------------
-- Table `handler`
-- -----------------------------------------------------
CREATE  TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `handler` (
  `id` INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT ,
  `name` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL ,
  `type` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL ,
  `location` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL ,
  `handler_num` INT NOT NULL ,
  PRIMARY KEY (`id`) ,
  UNIQUE INDEX `mykey` (`name`, `type`, `location`, `handler_num`) );

Or you can use a separate Create Unique Index statement.

PS MYSQL Workbench is free, cross platform and make nice diagrams ;-) 

Cheers

Monte


On 27/09/2010, at 10:18 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> OK - not getting very far with that - Google is not my friend :)
> 
> Can you give me an idea of what the CREATE statement would look like?
> 
> CREATE TABLE 'handler' (
>>    'name' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
> 
>    'type' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>>    'location' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>>    'handler_num' INTEGER NOT NULL,
>>    PRIMARY KEY ('name', 'type', 'location', 'handler_num')
>> );
>> 
> 
> With a surrogate key:
> 
> CREATE TABLE 'handler' (
>    'id' INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT NOT NULL,
>    'name' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>    'type' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>    'location' VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
>    'handler_num' INTEGER NOT NULL,
> );
> 
> So how do I create a secondary key from "name,type,location,handler_num" and
> make sure that these combined columns are unique?
> 
> On 27 September 2010 12:50, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:
> 
>>> HI Monte - hows down-under :)
>> 
>> Getting better all the time ;-)
>>> 
>>> Only by making the primary key = "name,type,location,hnum" instead of
>> "id"
>>> woudl you get a fast normalisation of the data inserted.
>> 
>> You can create an secondary key for those fields and still use your primary
>> key auto-increment field for a foreign key in other tables.
>> 
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--
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Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 08:58:20 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:58:20 -0400
Subject: Line Wrapping and Margins
In-Reply-To: <12B83191-096F-4183-96CA-AB6F396B9A52@michaelsmanias.com>
References: <06DF9442-7F63-483F-AE12-13A45E9D7098@michaelsmanias.com>
	<ADAD5C34-1744-4423-BFF9-A4797BC71B1D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<12B83191-096F-4183-96CA-AB6F396B9A52@michaelsmanias.com>
Message-ID: <0DA1F6BA-EA45-4873-A057-4630D8BEE4DE@gmail.com>

On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Michael D Mays wrote:

> Thanks Mark and Craig,
>
> That's what I need.
> Unfortunately that property doesn't show up in the dictionary as a  
> property of a field (only a button) so it makes it a little hard to  
> find. :(
> And the syntax example for formatedWidth some punctuation.
>
> Michael

I added a user comment on this to the dictionary entry for  
formattedWidth.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



> On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> That should be something like this:
>>
>> if the formattedWidth of word 1 to x of line y of fld z > the width  
>> of fld z - item 1 of the margins of fld z - item 3 of the margins  
>> of fld z then
>> put cr after word x of line y of fld z
>> end if
>>
>> On 24 sep 2010, at 19:05, Michael D Mays wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> How can I tell where (at what position or character) a line wraps  
>>> in a  field?
>>>
>>> If I have a word which has a length greater than the width of the  
>>> field it is contained in, how can I get it to wrap anywhere other  
>>> than at the end of the word?



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Sep 27 09:12:37 2010
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:12:37 +0100
Subject: Database: INSERTS, speed and primary keys
In-Reply-To: <2CE47FD4-3469-4477-A13E-DA686C1FCE87@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <AANLkTikAmrCxOtwKNRC_+dvi+nZ_vOwMAoK0qNeo5O0j@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A82AF2E-C326-442E-BED3-6ABBCFB39D99@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=bwQEzkMPdXAKvtHOsRTzbnKN=CTCe9MgOD3Pr@mail.gmail.com>
	<BCB312B8-2B04-4247-A426-6BE8751B8A42@sweattechnologies.com>
	<AANLkTi=My80SeNN2JaF8+G2acMpVHK68SRQ54haLYzaM@mail.gmail.com>
	<2CE47FD4-3469-4477-A13E-DA686C1FCE87@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinSjmTN5LGaAHLV_YOEHfEf+L84Hh7b5pBMyYS8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that Monte,

On 27 September 2010 13:44, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>wrote:

>   UNIQUE INDEX `mykey` (`name`, `type`, `location`, `handler_num`) );
>
> Or you can use a separate Create Unique Index statement.
>

OK - will have to read up more on Indexes - I thought they were just for
speeding up searches - looks like they have some relationship to constraints
as well.


> PS MYSQL Workbench is free, cross platform and make nice diagrams ;-)
>

Yes - started using it after your earlier post.  Also started using the Lua
scritping - there si a script for exporting the schema as sqlite create sql
that I am using. Trouble is it is easy to start making really big schema's
:)


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 09:17:13 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:17:13 -0500
Subject: SelectedChunk
Message-ID: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>

Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a word
of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
coding...if possible.

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 09:39:43 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:39:43 -0400
Subject: Stability in LC 4.5?
In-Reply-To: <4C9D3E54.8070908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <32c1e.29cc1f2d.39ce542a@aol.com>
	<4C9D3E54.8070908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <89049DB6-68D5-4A55-A65D-6FF50BF96124@gmail.com>

I found I could crash 4.5 reliably by clicking on a certain button in  
my rather complex clinical management stack. The button sets up an  
enhanced find function then lists the cards on which a textstring is  
found in a given field. I have not been able to track down at which  
point in my script it fails. I sent in a bug report to support at runvrev.com 
, with a crash log. Have not heard anything back. Meanwhile I'm back  
to using 4.0, as I cannot afford unexpected crashes in something I use  
daily.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Sep 24, 2010, at 8:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/24/10 2:21 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>> I have had a few problems with rev 4.0. In the last few days I have  
>> had a
>> handful of freezes with LC 4.5. Anyone else noticing this? I was  
>> hoping for
>> more stability, not less.
>>
>> On G5, OS 10.4.11
>
> It's been pretty solid for me, but I just gave up my only Leopard  
> machine so I'm on a different configuration now. This is the kind of  
> stuff that should go into a bug report though. Crashes/freezes are  
> alway high priority items. Include a crash log if there's an entry  
> for it in there.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 27 09:56:53 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:56:53 +0200
Subject: ANN: Installer Maker Plugin 1.4
Message-ID: <02A66E37-C27E-4425-A261-BF5A999C7CAC@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear RunRev/LiveCode users,

I am pleased to announce that Economy-x-Talk has just released a new version of the Installer Maker Plugin for Runtime Revolution/LiveCode. The Installer Maker Plugin is a tool to quickly wrap your RR/LC standalones in an installer for Mac OS X or Windows. This new version provides improved 64 bit compatibility (currently being tested) and compatibility with LiveCode 4.5.

For more information, including downloads, please visit http://qurl.tk/ce .

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 10:21:10 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:21:10 -0600
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>

I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you want. It
could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole word
selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also just an
insertion point.
*
on mouseUp
   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk < 0 then
      put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
   else
      put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
   end if

   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
   --if so determine which word the break is at.
   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
      put true into tCharMatch
      put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
      put"Word: " & the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
   end if

   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field start
   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of field
or match
   repeat while tChar > 1 and tCharMatch is empty
      subtract 1 from tChar
      if char tChar of field 1 is space then
         put true into tCharMatch
         put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
         put "Word: " & the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
      else if tChar = 0 then
         --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
         put "Word: 1" into tWord
      end if
   end repeat

 answer information tWord
end mouseUp*

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a word
> of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> coding...if possible.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 10:40:31 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:40:31 -0500
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgT7ydAjAcG5FqRtNECGUmps2Yegu3QQHXY-LD@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly like
what I was looking for.

You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or something I
would need to program?

Thanks again!
Warren




On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you want. It
> could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole word
> selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also just
> an
> insertion point.
> *
> on mouseUp
>   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
>   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk < 0 then
>      put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
>   else
>      put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
>   end if
>
>   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
>   --if so determine which word the break is at.
>   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
>      put true into tCharMatch
>      put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
>      put"Word: " & the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
>   end if
>
>   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field start
>   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of field
> or match
>   repeat while tChar > 1 and tCharMatch is empty
>      subtract 1 from tChar
>      if char tChar of field 1 is space then
>         put true into tCharMatch
>         put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
>         put "Word: " & the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
>      else if tChar = 0 then
>         --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
>         put "Word: 1" into tWord
>      end if
>   end repeat
>
>  answer information tWord
> end mouseUp*
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> > SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
> word
> > of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> > coding...if possible.
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> > Warren
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 11:03:23 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:03:23 -0600
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimgT7ydAjAcG5FqRtNECGUmps2Yegu3QQHXY-LD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimgT7ydAjAcG5FqRtNECGUmps2Yegu3QQHXY-LD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4bnOtGc5U0MWzapW_mt3eJixGSKsoa7MyD0cs@mail.gmail.com>

Would have to program it, and now that i'm more awake, not sure you need to
go through all the convoluted stuff I did.

This is probably closer to what you can end up with.
on mouseUp
   put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
   put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
   put the number of words in tTmp
end mouseUp

This will work with the exception that if your selection includes a space at
the left the wordcount will be off by 1, so you'd have to test and decide
how you want it to behave in that situation.  Will also have to test for a
simple insertion point rather than a selection also and adjust accordingly.


To force full word selections, I believe one of the Marks posted something a
not too long ago that would do this... The gist of the script (If I recall
correctly) was that when a selection is made, you check for word boundaries
to the right and left and adjust the selection accordingly.
Once you have your char positions you can set the selection.

select char 5 to 12 of field "yourfield"

I haven't actually tried the forced selection part.

G'luck with all this. If I can locate the script I'm trying to remember,
i'll post a link.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly like
> what I was looking for.
>
> You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or something I
> would need to program?
>
> Thanks again!
> Warren
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you want. It
> > could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole word
> > selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also just
> > an
> > insertion point.
> > *
> > on mouseUp
> >   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
> >   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk < 0 then
> >      put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> >   else
> >      put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> >   end if
> >
> >   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
> >   --if so determine which word the break is at.
> >   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> >      put true into tCharMatch
> >      put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> >      put"Word: " & the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> >   end if
> >
> >   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field start
> >   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of
> field
> > or match
> >   repeat while tChar > 1 and tCharMatch is empty
> >      subtract 1 from tChar
> >      if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> >         put true into tCharMatch
> >         put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> >         put "Word: " & the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> >      else if tChar = 0 then
> >         --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
> >         put "Word: 1" into tWord
> >      end if
> >   end repeat
> >
> >  answer information tWord
> > end mouseUp*
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> > > SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
> > word
> > > of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> > > coding...if possible.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help!
> > > Warren
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 11:05:35 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:05:35 -0500
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin4bnOtGc5U0MWzapW_mt3eJixGSKsoa7MyD0cs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimgT7ydAjAcG5FqRtNECGUmps2Yegu3QQHXY-LD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin4bnOtGc5U0MWzapW_mt3eJixGSKsoa7MyD0cs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim22WXYxf1DOXW9W5HAzJvd+Hd=8gY8J5SJUkFL@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

Thank you very much.  You have been most helpful!

All the best!
Warren

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would have to program it, and now that i'm more awake, not sure you need to
> go through all the convoluted stuff I did.
>
> This is probably closer to what you can end up with.
> on mouseUp
>   put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
>   put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
>   put the number of words in tTmp
> end mouseUp
>
> This will work with the exception that if your selection includes a space
> at
> the left the wordcount will be off by 1, so you'd have to test and decide
> how you want it to behave in that situation.  Will also have to test for a
> simple insertion point rather than a selection also and adjust accordingly.
>
>
> To force full word selections, I believe one of the Marks posted something
> a
> not too long ago that would do this... The gist of the script (If I recall
> correctly) was that when a selection is made, you check for word boundaries
> to the right and left and adjust the selection accordingly.
> Once you have your char positions you can set the selection.
>
> select char 5 to 12 of field "yourfield"
>
> I haven't actually tried the forced selection part.
>
> G'luck with all this. If I can locate the script I'm trying to remember,
> i'll post a link.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly
> like
> > what I was looking for.
> >
> > You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or something
> I
> > would need to program?
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Warren
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you want.
> It
> > > could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole
> word
> > > selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also
> just
> > > an
> > > insertion point.
> > > *
> > > on mouseUp
> > >   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
> > >   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk < 0 then
> > >      put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > >   else
> > >      put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > >   end if
> > >
> > >   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
> > >   --if so determine which word the break is at.
> > >   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> > >      put true into tCharMatch
> > >      put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > >      put"Word: " & the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> > >   end if
> > >
> > >   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field start
> > >   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of
> > field
> > > or match
> > >   repeat while tChar > 1 and tCharMatch is empty
> > >      subtract 1 from tChar
> > >      if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> > >         put true into tCharMatch
> > >         put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > >         put "Word: " & the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> > >      else if tChar = 0 then
> > >         --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
> > >         put "Word: 1" into tWord
> > >      end if
> > >   end repeat
> > >
> > >  answer information tWord
> > > end mouseUp*
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> > > > SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of
> a
> > > word
> > > > of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> > > > coding...if possible.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any help!
> > > > Warren
> > > > _______________________________________________
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 11:10:23 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:10:23 -0600
Subject: SelectedChunk
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References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimgT7ydAjAcG5FqRtNECGUmps2Yegu3QQHXY-LD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin4bnOtGc5U0MWzapW_mt3eJixGSKsoa7MyD0cs@mail.gmail.com>
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http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3199

Not the post I was thinking of, but some really useful stuff in that forum
thread about whole word selections.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Thank you very much.  You have been most helpful!
>
> All the best!
> Warren
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Would have to program it, and now that i'm more awake, not sure you need
> to
> > go through all the convoluted stuff I did.
> >
> > This is probably closer to what you can end up with.
> > on mouseUp
> >   put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> >   put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> >   put the number of words in tTmp
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > This will work with the exception that if your selection includes a space
> > at
> > the left the wordcount will be off by 1, so you'd have to test and decide
> > how you want it to behave in that situation.  Will also have to test for
> a
> > simple insertion point rather than a selection also and adjust
> accordingly.
> >
> >
> > To force full word selections, I believe one of the Marks posted
> something
> > a
> > not too long ago that would do this... The gist of the script (If I
> recall
> > correctly) was that when a selection is made, you check for word
> boundaries
> > to the right and left and adjust the selection accordingly.
> > Once you have your char positions you can set the selection.
> >
> > select char 5 to 12 of field "yourfield"
> >
> > I haven't actually tried the forced selection part.
> >
> > G'luck with all this. If I can locate the script I'm trying to remember,
> > i'll post a link.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly
> > like
> > > what I was looking for.
> > >
> > > You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or
> something
> > I
> > > would need to program?
> > >
> > > Thanks again!
> > > Warren
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you
> want.
> > It
> > > > could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole
> > word
> > > > selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and also
> > just
> > > > an
> > > > insertion point.
> > > > *
> > > > on mouseUp
> > > >   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
> > > >   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk < 0
> then
> > > >      put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > > >   else
> > > >      put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > > >   end if
> > > >
> > > >   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
> > > >   --if so determine which word the break is at.
> > > >   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> > > >      put true into tCharMatch
> > > >      put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > > >      put"Word: " & the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> > > >   end if
> > > >
> > > >   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field
> start
> > > >   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top of
> > > field
> > > > or match
> > > >   repeat while tChar > 1 and tCharMatch is empty
> > > >      subtract 1 from tChar
> > > >      if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> > > >         put true into tCharMatch
> > > >         put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > > >         put "Word: " & the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> > > >      else if tChar = 0 then
> > > >         --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first word
> > > >         put "Word: 1" into tWord
> > > >      end if
> > > >   end repeat
> > > >
> > > >  answer information tWord
> > > > end mouseUp*
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> > > > > SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position
> of
> > a
> > > > word
> > > > > of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> > > > > coding...if possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any help!
> > > > > Warren
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Mon Sep 27 11:22:42 2010
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:22:42 +0100
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 84, Issue 56
In-Reply-To: <20100927131221.68C2428821F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100927131221.68C2428821F@mail.runrev.com>
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On 27 Sep 2010, at 2:12 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 
> [ they cannot be that other-worldly ]

Oh but they are! 

(or at least, too alien for my abilities)

And yes, the point is not to have any set up panel run separately from the LiveCard standalone.



Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

i-psych.co.uk


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 27 12:01:54 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:01:54 -0700
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <13425856-D119-41C4-9ADA-4994D7C02CE9@sbcglobal.net>

Rev 4.0 is in revolt. (LiveCode is fine.)

I write in  script:

    put 3 into x

and when I try to compile I get a message "Can't create a variable by  
that name."

Or any other name for that matter.

I think I may have messed up the global variables. They are the same  
as before except for the global Each.

Formerly it had the values: "each,global" but is now they are  
"msg,global"

I can't find a way to reset it and I don't really know that that is  
the source of my problem.

Any suggestion, short of reinstalling?

Jim


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 27 12:03:48 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:03:48 -0700
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <47A419F1-2537-45D2-BC98-BB06B106EF60@sbcglobal.net>

P.S.

I can run preexisting scripts, I just can't make any changes. It is as  
if I have lost privileges.

Jim


> Rev 4.0 is in revolt. (LiveCode is fine.)
>
> I write in  script:
>
>   put 3 into x
>
> and when I try to compile I get a message "Can't create a variable  
> by that name."
>
> Or any other name for that matter.
>
> I think I may have messed up the global variables. They are the same  
> as before except for the global Each.
>
> Formerly it had the values: "each,global" but is now they are  
> "msg,global"
>
> I can't find a way to reset it and I don't really know that that is  
> the source of my problem.
>
> Any suggestion, short of reinstalling?
>
> Jim


From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 27 12:09:10 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:09:10 EDT
Subject: What have I done?
Message-ID: <2bee0.337c6c9.39d21ba6@aol.com>

Did you change your preferences, checking "strict compilation mode"? This 
would require that you declare your variables, and not be able to load them 
on the fly.

Craig Newman


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 27 12:11:27 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:11:27 -0700
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <13425856-D119-41C4-9ADA-4994D7C02CE9@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
	<13425856-D119-41C4-9ADA-4994D7C02CE9@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <133315302203.20100927091127@ahsoftware.net>

James-

Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:01:54 AM, you wrote:

> Rev 4.0 is in revolt. (LiveCode is fine.)

> I write in  script:

>     put 3 into x

> and when I try to compile I get a message "Can't create a variable by
> that name."

You have turned on the explicitVariables failsafe mechanism, which
ensures that you can't accidentally get yourself into trouble. Try one
of these two things:

local x
put 3 into x

or

open Rev's preferences, select "Script Editor" and deselect "strict
compilation mode"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 27 12:28:23 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:28:23 -0700
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>

Craig and Mark,

That was the problem. I have a vague recollection  of changing that in  
the preference dialog box just to see what would happen, and then the  
phone rang. By the time I got of the phone my short term memory bank  
had been reprogrammed. I used to have about 68 K short term memory. It  
has dwindled to about 8 k.

Thanks,

Jim

> P.S.
>
> I can run preexisting scripts, I just can't make any changes. It is  
> as if I have lost privileges.
>
> Jim
>
>
>> Rev 4.0 is in revolt. (LiveCode is fine.)
>>
>> I write in  script:
>>
>>  put 3 into x
>>
>> and when I try to compile I get a message "Can't create a variable  
>> by that name."
>>
>> Or any other name for that matter.
>>
>> I think I may have messed up the global variables. They are the  
>> same as before except for the global Each.
>>
>> Formerly it had the values: "each,global" but is now they are  
>> "msg,global"
>>
>> I can't find a way to reset it and I don't really know that that is  
>> the source of my problem.
>>
>> Any suggestion, short of reinstalling?
>>
>> Jim


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 27 12:40:47 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:40:47 -0300
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
	<75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_tG3DdAoe0cN-8HdjyW86kf25XdV=Q0hdFt5f@mail.gmail.com>

at least you got 8k... all I have are a couple registers and a very short
stack...

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:28 PM, James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Craig and Mark,
>
> That was the problem. I have a vague recollection  of changing that in the
> preference dialog box just to see what would happen, and then the phone
> rang. By the time I got of the phone my short term memory bank had been
> reprogrammed. I used to have about 68 K short term memory. It has dwindled
> to about 8 k.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>  P.S.
>>
>> I can run preexisting scripts, I just can't make any changes. It is as if
>> I have lost privileges.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>  Rev 4.0 is in revolt. (LiveCode is fine.)
>>>
>>> I write in  script:
>>>
>>>  put 3 into x
>>>
>>> and when I try to compile I get a message "Can't create a variable by
>>> that name."
>>>
>>> Or any other name for that matter.
>>>
>>> I think I may have messed up the global variables. They are the same as
>>> before except for the global Each.
>>>
>>> Formerly it had the values: "each,global" but is now they are
>>> "msg,global"
>>>
>>> I can't find a way to reset it and I don't really know that that is the
>>> source of my problem.
>>>
>>> Any suggestion, short of reinstalling?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Sep 27 12:43:45 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:43:45 EDT
Subject: What have I done?
Message-ID: <2e97a.6ad3e1d3.39d223c1@aol.com>

You may want to back that up off site.

Craig

In a message dated 9/27/10 12:28:40 PM, jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net writes:


> I used to have about 68 K short term memory. It?
> has dwindled to about 8 k.
> 


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Sep 27 12:47:13 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:47:13 -0600
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_tG3DdAoe0cN-8HdjyW86kf25XdV=Q0hdFt5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
	<75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>
	<AANLkTin_tG3DdAoe0cN-8HdjyW86kf25XdV=Q0hdFt5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED388D1A-9FB0-4C6F-BF4F-F128D52AC98A@byu.edu>

Luxury! I dream about having a register! All I have is the bottom of a rusty soup tin, and I have to scratch tick marks on it with a broken stick! 

On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> at least you got 8k... all I have are a couple registers and a very short
> stack...
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:28 PM, James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> 
>> Craig and Mark,
>> 
>> That was the problem. I have a vague recollection  of changing that in the
>> preference dialog box just to see what would happen, and then the phone
>> rang. By the time I got of the phone my short term memory bank had been
>> reprogrammed. I used to have about 68 K short term memory. It has dwindled
>> to about 8 k.

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 27 12:59:01 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:59:01 -0700
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <ED388D1A-9FB0-4C6F-BF4F-F128D52AC98A@byu.edu>
References: <20100927131221.929AE288223@mail.runrev.com>
	<75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>
	<AANLkTin_tG3DdAoe0cN-8HdjyW86kf25XdV=Q0hdFt5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED388D1A-9FB0-4C6F-BF4F-F128D52AC98A@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <28318156578.20100927095901@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:47:13 AM, you wrote:

> Luxury! I dream about having a register! All I have is the bottom
> of a rusty soup tin, and I have to scratch tick marks on it with a
> broken stick! 

Wow! A soup tin... all I have is... aw, I forget what I have...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 13:04:28 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:04:28 +0300
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 84, Issue 56
In-Reply-To: <22677745-49B5-47A4-97CC-04F764C80F1D@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20100927131221.68C2428821F@mail.runrev.com>
	<22677745-49B5-47A4-97CC-04F764C80F1D@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4CA0CE9C.2060206@gmail.com>

  On 09/27/2010 06:22 PM, David Glasgow wrote:
>
> On 27 Sep 2010, at 2:12 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> [ they cannot be that other-worldly ]
> Oh but they are!
>
> (or at least, too alien for my abilities)
>
> And yes, the point is not to have any set up panel run separately from the LiveCard standalone.
>
>

Well; I worked that bit out . . .

Back to Richmond's bl**dy Nostromo:

If it is connected sans the set-up panel RunRev/Livecode ca pick up some 
signals from it;

once the set-up panel is installed it can only pick up signals that have 
been 'moderated' by
the set-up panel.

This made me wonder if RunRev/Livecode couldn't possibly pick up all 
'raw' USB device
signals ??????????????????????????????????????????

> Best Wishes,
>
> David Glasgow
> Carlton Glasgow Partnership
>

This weekend I might just treat myself to a crappy USB joystick . . .  :)


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 27 13:07:14 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:07:14 -0700
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <20100927170004.EF8752883D9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100927170004.EF8752883D9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E21A3EB6-0F90-4A82-B380-7D2140F8DEBD@sbcglobal.net>

>
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:59:01 -0700
> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> Subject: Re: What have I done?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <28318156578.20100927095901 at ahsoftware.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Devin-
>
> Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:47:13 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Luxury! I dream about having a register! All I have is the bottom
>> of a rusty soup tin, and I have to scratch tick marks on it with a
>> broken stick!
>
> Wow! A soup tin... all I have is... aw, I forget what I have...

Does that make you forget full?

Jim



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 13:39:32 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:39:32 -0400
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>

The selectedChunk gives the segment of text selected, in the form

   char <chartPosition> to <endPosition> of field <n>

If the selection is empty (insertion point only), the result is  
something like "char 5 to 4 of field 9" -- in this case to get the  
number of the word containing the insertion point, use:

   the number of words of char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of  
field 9

If a run of text is selected then the above will get the number of the  
word containing the end of the selection.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of  
> a word
> of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> coding...if possible.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 13:50:16 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:50:16 -0600
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSmLhqOUaFVDPYfDJ7pittTwEu-bDULqYgtWw1@mail.gmail.com>

Ok thats cool.
So if its NOT just an insertion point then
the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of field
"yourfield"
will give the number of words preceeding the selection?

So this whole thing could boil down to

on mouseUp
   if word 4 of the selectedchunk < word 2 of the selectedchunk then
      put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of
field 1)
   else
      put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of
field 1)
   end if
end mouseUp

I knew I was making my solution WAY too difficult. Thanks for this.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> The selectedChunk gives the segment of text selected, in the form
>
>  char <chartPosition> to <endPosition> of field <n>
>
> If the selection is empty (insertion point only), the result is something
> like "char 5 to 4 of field 9" -- in this case to get the number of the word
> containing the insertion point, use:
>
>  the number of words of char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of field 9
>
> If a run of text is selected then the above will get the number of the word
> containing the end of the selection.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig <http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>  Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
>> SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
>> word
>> of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
>> coding...if possible.
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>> Warren
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 13:53:49 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:53:49 -0600
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSmLhqOUaFVDPYfDJ7pittTwEu-bDULqYgtWw1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSmLhqOUaFVDPYfDJ7pittTwEu-bDULqYgtWw1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4d=Qf=mWA9jidzpn4Y-kyZexVeZargOfjoTGj@mail.gmail.com>

Nevermind. *sigh* Number of words prior to selection or insertion point is
      put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of
field 1)

Rev is far more amazing than I can make it be.  So is Livecode!

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok thats cool.
> So if its NOT just an insertion point then
> the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of field
> "yourfield"
> will give the number of words preceeding the selection?
>
> So this whole thing could boil down to
>
> on mouseUp
>    if word 4 of the selectedchunk < word 2 of the selectedchunk then
>       put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk)
> of field 1)
>    else
>       put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk)
> of field 1)
>    end if
> end mouseUp
>
> I knew I was making my solution WAY too difficult. Thanks for this.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The selectedChunk gives the segment of text selected, in the form
>>
>>  char <chartPosition> to <endPosition> of field <n>
>>
>> If the selection is empty (insertion point only), the result is something
>> like "char 5 to 4 of field 9" -- in this case to get the number of the word
>> containing the insertion point, use:
>>
>>  the number of words of char 1 to (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of field 9
>>
>> If a run of text is selected then the above will get the number of the
>> word containing the end of the selection.
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig <http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>>
>>  Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
>>> SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of a
>>> word
>>> of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
>>> coding...if possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>> Warren
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
>


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 15:55:34 2010
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:55:34 -0400
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4d=Qf=mWA9jidzpn4Y-kyZexVeZargOfjoTGj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSmLhqOUaFVDPYfDJ7pittTwEu-bDULqYgtWw1@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4d=Qf=mWA9jidzpn4Y-kyZexVeZargOfjoTGj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <197C9EF8-3FBD-4EE6-BBBA-044C980A5FEA@gmail.com>

You can work out exactly what you want if you realize that the result  
of "the selectedChunk" is always char <chartPosition> to <endPosition>  
of field <n>, and this will be as you would expect if the selection is  
not empty:

ie, in "this is a sample string of text" in field 1, selecting the  
characters "is a sample" would result in a selectedchunk of "char 6 to  
16 of field 1"
in which case the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the  
selectedchunk) of field 1 would be:

the number of words of char 1 to 6 of field 1,
ie, the number of words of "this i"
which is 2

and if the selection is empty then indeed the selectedchunk is always  
of the form "char <n> to <n-1> of field 1":

So putting the insertion point before "is" in the above example would  
result in a selectedchunk of
"char 6 to 5 of field 1"
and therefore the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the  
selectedchunk) of field 1 would be

the number of words of char 1 to 5 of field 1,
ie, the number of words of "this "
which is 1

On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> Nevermind. *sigh* Number of words prior to selection or insertion  
> point is
>      put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the  
> selectedchunk) of
> field 1)
>
> Rev is far more amazing than I can make it be.  So is Livecode!

Yes indeed. Once you get the hang of chunk expressions you can do  
*lots* of things -- auto-format phone numbers, insert boilerplate at  
particular points in a field, extract specific information from a  
field or other container, etc. I have a little function to get the zip  
code for an address by sending the address to google maps, fetching  
the htmltext of the resulting URL, parsing it to get the zip code from  
the middle of the htmltext, and returning the zip -- all behind the  
scenes without displaying the webpage. Takes less than a second with a  
fast internet connection, the zip code is inserted after the address,  
and the user never needs to know what goes on behind the scenes.

> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Ok thats cool.
>> So if its NOT just an insertion point then
>> the number of words of char 1 to (word 2 of the selectedchunk) of  
>> field
>> "yourfield"
>> will give the number of words preceeding the selection?

Yes, but see above -- it would include the word that starts the  
selection.

>> So this whole thing could boil down to
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   if word 4 of the selectedchunk < word 2 of the selectedchunk then
>>      put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 4 of the  
>> selectedchunk)
>> of field 1)
>>   else
>>      put the number of words of (char 1 to (word 2 of the  
>> selectedchunk)
>> of field 1)
>>   end if
>> end mouseUp

Pretty much.

>> I knew I was making my solution WAY too difficult. Thanks for this.

No problem.

Check out the dictionary entries for not only selectedchunk but also  
offset, wordoffset, itemoffset, and related terms, then do some  
experimentation. Text parsing in Rev, er, LiveCode, is very powerful.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From steve at theworcestersource.com  Mon Sep 27 16:12:52 2010
From: steve at theworcestersource.com (theworcestersource.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What have I done?
In-Reply-To: <75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>
References: <75EC612E-C40D-432C-B288-80AAF671A2D3@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1285618372334-2716147.post@n4.nabble.com>


That reminds me of the chorus of a song that takes me well back to the mid
80s and being a schoolkid:

"Hey, hey 16k
What does that get you today?
It's not enough even for a letter
Old school RAM packs were much better!"

Steve
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Sep 27 21:07:14 2010
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:07:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RunRev, er, LiveCode on MacNN
In-Reply-To: <197C9EF8-3FBD-4EE6-BBBA-044C980A5FEA@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSmLhqOUaFVDPYfDJ7pittTwEu-bDULqYgtWw1@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4d=Qf=mWA9jidzpn4Y-kyZexVeZargOfjoTGj@mail.gmail.com>
	<197C9EF8-3FBD-4EE6-BBBA-044C980A5FEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1009271806420.16765@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Posted an hour ago apparently:

http://www.macnn.com

Judy



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Sep 27 22:00:02 2010
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:00:02 -0400
Subject: RunRev, er, LiveCode on MacNN
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1009271806420.16765@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<A36B83C2-9258-4C29-B29C-338BAE0CD960@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSmLhqOUaFVDPYfDJ7pittTwEu-bDULqYgtWw1@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik4d=Qf=mWA9jidzpn4Y-kyZexVeZargOfjoTGj@mail.gmail.com>
	<197C9EF8-3FBD-4EE6-BBBA-044C980A5FEA@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1009271806420.16765@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <9F50DCA0-8A7A-4758-A0DD-C8781F45C747@verizon.net>

Here's the direct link:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/09/27/revamp.offers.new.ios.development.environment/




From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Tue Sep 28 02:44:25 2010
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:44:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>
	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>
	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>


Would something that takes input from joystick and emulates it into
keystrokes be acceptable?

http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/JoyToKey/JoyToKey.htm
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 28 03:33:22 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:33:22 +0200
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <163664549.2986068.1285593456817.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
References: <163664549.2986068.1285593456817.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <1BFCC4DD-2D8E-4569-A2A4-6C8EFB0608BF@inria.fr>

Bonjour,
Not sure I have well understand your need, but  does the following help:

   select word 1 to -1 of the selection -- avoid spaces (learn  
recently thanks to Jacque ;-))
    put the selection
    put cr & word 2 of the selectedChunk after msg

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?

Le 27 sept. 10 ? 15:17, Warren Kuhl a ?crit :

> Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on the
> SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position of  
> a word
> of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to much
> coding...if possible.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 06:20:26 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:20:26 +0300
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>

  On 09/28/2010 09:44 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> Would something that takes input from joystick and emulates it into
> keystrokes be acceptable?
>
> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/JoyToKey/JoyToKey.htm

That looks jolly good: wonder if there are Mac and Linux equivalents?????


From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 28 06:38:00 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 03:38:00 -0700
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>
	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>

On Mac I use USB Overdrive.

http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html

-=>JB<=-



On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 09/28/2010 09:44 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>> Would something that takes input from joystick and emulates it into
>> keystrokes be acceptable?
>> 
>> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/JoyToKey/JoyToKey.htm
> 
> That looks jolly good: wonder if there are Mac and Linux equivalents?????
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 28 07:53:40 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:53:40 -0400
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin93Lg22UKXNsUP_RWm2gwRg2ZNdXfgr5V1abVV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin93Lg22UKXNsUP_RWm2gwRg2ZNdXfgr5V1abVV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F385A2B-214C-4867-8AF6-08887FE4691A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:42 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> A quick geeky question: does anyone know if foreign key support has  
> been
> turned on for the recent sqlite driver

I don't think you need to turn it on when compiling. It is a pragma  
setting:

http://www.sqlite.org/pragma.html#pragma_foreign_keys

Untested but try this:

revExecuteSQL theConnectionID, "PRAGMA foreign_keys = true"

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 10:27:44 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:27:44 +0300
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>

  On 09/28/2010 01:38 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
> On Mac I use USB Overdrive.
>
> http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>

Will that take signals from any USB mouse / trackball / joystick / 
steering-wheel / foot-pedal
and output them as keyDowns ??????????????????????/


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Sep 28 10:28:55 2010
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:28:55 +0200
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>
	<4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77601693-A3EA-490F-9C2B-F41148DF7388@numericable.com>

And musical keyboard ?

Le 28 sept. 2010 ? 16:27, Richmond a ?crit :

> On 09/28/2010 01:38 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
>> On Mac I use USB Overdrive.
>> 
>> http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
>> 
>> 
> 
> Will that take signals from any USB mouse / trackball / joystick / steering-wheel / foot-pedal
> and output them as keyDowns ??????????????????????/
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 28 10:37:59 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:37:59 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
Message-ID: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>

Bonjour,

I thought it was simple but I am fighting with that for a couple of  
hours ;-((

I have a stack with several substacks. I want to duplicate the whole  
thing, changing only the name of the stack (without changing the names  
of its substacks).

Say, I have a stack "Accounts 2010" and want to get a stack "Accounts  
2011" with the same substacks.

Knowing that if I clone the main stack I don't get the substacks, is  
there a mean to get the whole at the same time?

Any hint appreciated

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?

P.S. I tend to be exasperated by the message "A stack with the same  
name as the one you are trying to load is already open what to you  
want to do etc. etc. etc." gggrrrr ;-))






From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 28 10:51:33 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:51:33 EDT
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
Message-ID: <11a4f.5523d81b.39d35af5@aol.com>

Andre.

If you make a copy of the file (not the stack(s)), doesn't this 
automatically include everything?

Craig Newman


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 11:11:35 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:11:35 +0300
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
In-Reply-To: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4CA205A7.5010400@gmail.com>

  On 09/28/2010 05:37 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
> Bonjour,
>
> I thought it was simple but I am fighting with that for a couple of 
> hours ;-((
>
> I have a stack with several substacks. I want to duplicate the whole 
> thing, changing only the name of the stack (without changing the names 
> of its substacks).
>
> Say, I have a stack "Accounts 2010" and want to get a stack "Accounts 
> 2011" with the same substacks.
>
> Knowing that if I clone the main stack I don't get the substacks, is 
> there a mean to get the whole at the same time?
>
> Any hint appreciated
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
>
> Andr?
>
> P.S. I tend to be exasperated by the message "A stack with the same 
> name as the one you are trying to load is already open what to you 
> want to do etc. etc. etc." gggrrrr ;-))
>

Quit / Exit RunRev / LiveCode and then make a copy of the stack-file 
just the same as
you make a copy of any file; rename it.

Done.


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 28 11:18:32 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:18:32 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
In-Reply-To: <1484082511.19591.1285685504956.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
References: <1484082511.19591.1285685504956.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <179B900E-6323-4501-9E4C-DF1CED759984@inria.fr>

Thank you Craig for your prompt answer.
But I never copied a file

I tried copy file "here: the filename of the mainstack"

get a can't find handler error;

How can I "copy the file" ?

Sorry Craig

Andr?


Le 28 sept. 10 ? 16:51, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit :

> Andre.
>
> If you make a copy of the file (not the stack(s)), doesn't this
> automatically include everything?
>
> Craig Newman
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 28 11:23:22 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:23:22 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
In-Reply-To: <1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
	<1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>

Sorry Richmond (and Craig); I should have specify that I would like to  
duplicate my stack and its substacks by script.
What I want is a button where the user clicks to create a stack (and  
its substacks) for a new year.

Thank you much Richmond for your attention

Andr?


Le 28 sept. 10 ? 17:11, Richmond a ?crit :

> On 09/28/2010 05:37 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> I thought it was simple but I am fighting with that for a couple of  
>> hours ;-((
>>
>> I have a stack with several substacks. I want to duplicate the  
>> whole thing, changing only the name of the stack (without changing  
>> the names of its substacks).
>>
>> Say, I have a stack "Accounts 2010" and want to get a stack  
>> "Accounts 2011" with the same substacks.
>>
>> Knowing that if I clone the main stack I don't get the substacks,  
>> is there a mean to get the whole at the same time?
>>
>> Any hint appreciated
>>
>> Best regards from Grenoble
>>
>> Andr?
>>
>> P.S. I tend to be exasperated by the message "A stack with the same  
>> name as the one you are trying to load is already open what to you  
>> want to do etc. etc. etc." gggrrrr ;-))
>>
>
> Quit / Exit RunRev / LiveCode and then make a copy of the stack-file  
> just the same as
> you make a copy of any file; rename it.
>
> Done.
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 28 12:07:45 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:07:45 EDT
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
Message-ID: <177fb.ea85bc6.39d36cd1@aol.com>

Andre.

The command is: "revCopyFile", not "copy file".

Craig


From th.douez at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 13:19:09 2010
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:19:09 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
In-Reply-To: <CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
	<1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <2A3A1349-99F2-4C6D-9F9E-FDBA4341C336@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 28 sept. 2010 ? 17:23, Andre.Bisseret a ?crit :

> Sorry Richmond (and Craig); I should have specify that I would like to duplicate my stack and its substacks by script.
> What I want is a button where the user clicks to create a stack (and its substacks) for a new year.

Hi,

Another way to do it :

Open your stack (  which can contain substacks )
do the  modifications you need to change of year, and then
use :

	save this stack as "Accounting2011" -- or whatever

HTH

Thierry




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Sep 28 13:32:09 2010
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:32:09 -0700
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
In-Reply-To: <20100928170006.2FAC128851E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100928170006.2FAC128851E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BF7EC337-16D1-4F8F-83D3-DE66DB9C4922@mollysrevenge.com>

I think the issue is whether the version of the sqlite drivers in  
LiveCode are up to date enough to include foreign key support at all.   
According to http://www.sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html, foreign keys were  
supported as of SQlite version 3.6.19 but I don;t know how to find out  
what version of sqlite is included with LiveCode.  If foreign key  
support is included, it's off by default so you do have to enable it  
as detailed by Trevor.

Pete Haworth

On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:53:40 -0400
> From: Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>
> Subject: Re: sqlite: foreign keys
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <3F385A2B-214C-4867-8AF6-08887FE4691A at mangomultimedia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:42 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>> A quick geeky question: does anyone know if foreign key support has
>> been
>> turned on for the recent sqlite driver
>
> I don't think you need to turn it on when compiling. It is a pragma
> setting:
>
> http://www.sqlite.org/pragma.html#pragma_foreign_keys
>
> Untested but try this:
>
> revExecuteSQL theConnectionID, "PRAGMA foreign_keys = true"
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 28 13:54:53 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:54:53 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
In-Reply-To: <1609933388.26374.1285690087022.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
References: <1609933388.26374.1285690087022.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <FBDD1E66-8B8F-416E-9610-A359FAA68B2A@inria.fr>

Thanks a lot Craig; that's exactly what I needed; first time I am  
using it; works fine ;-))

Andr?

Le 28 sept. 10 ? 18:08, DunbarX at aol.com a ?crit :

> Andre.
>
> The command is: "revCopyFile", not "copy file".
>
> Craig
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Sep 28 13:54:53 2010
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:54:53 -0700
Subject: [OT] Do You Like To Play Games?
Message-ID: <C8C779FD.4D1D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

If you're someone who enjoys visual puzzles, owns an iPad, prefers the
company of aliens, and often thinks to yourself "Man, I really wish there
were more iPad games around to test", send me an email offlist and maybe you
can satisfy all of the above cravings.

I've been working on an iPad game over the last 7 months that's near
complete, and it would be great to have a couple of folks test it out for
problems/usability/etc.  It's a visual puzzle/logic game wrapped in a
futuristic alien interface.  It's not built in LiveCode, but LiveCode was
used to help create it.

An early trailer for the game is posted here: <http://www.plexxr.com>

Thanks in advance for your interest.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 28 14:01:29 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:01:29 -0400
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
In-Reply-To: <BF7EC337-16D1-4F8F-83D3-DE66DB9C4922@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <20100928170006.2FAC128851E@mail.runrev.com>
	<BF7EC337-16D1-4F8F-83D3-DE66DB9C4922@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <2E50DBCE-5D5B-4676-BFA5-E9A3B8E4B67F@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I think the issue is whether the version of the sqlite drivers in  
> LiveCode are up to date enough to include foreign key support at  
> all.  According to http://www.sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html, foreign  
> keys were supported as of SQlite version 3.6.19 but I don;t know how  
> to find out what version of sqlite is included with LiveCode.  If  
> foreign key support is included, it's off by default so you do have  
> to enable it as detailed by Trevor.

4.5 comes with 3.6.22. You can check the version of SQLite included  
with the IDE by placing the following in a card script of a stack in  
your plugin folder. Just make sure the card has a single field on it.

on preopenCard
    put specialfolderpath("temporary") into theFolder
    put theFolder & "/" & the milliseconds & ".db" into theFile
    put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",theFile,,,,) into theConn
    put revDataFromQuery(tab, cr, theConn, "SELECT sqlite_version()")  
into theData
    revCloseDatabase theConn
    put "Installed SQLite version:" && theData into fld 1
    delete file theFile
end preopenCard

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 28 14:13:18 2010
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:13:18 +0200
Subject: How to duplicate a stack and its substacks?
In-Reply-To: <346325696.29037.1285694362642.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
	<1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>
	<346325696.29037.1285694362642.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <868E6E1F-1B16-4F74-9057-C298FCE5FA28@inria.fr>

Thank you much Thierry;
by default, was saved in my livecode 4.5 folder; but it's easy to  
indicate another location

So, now I got 2 ways to get what I needed ;-)))

Best regards

Andr?

Le 28 sept. 10 ? 19:19, Thierry a ?crit :

>
> Le 28 sept. 2010 ? 17:23, Andre.Bisseret a ?crit :
>
>> Sorry Richmond (and Craig); I should have specify that I would like  
>> to duplicate my stack and its substacks by script.
>> What I want is a button where the user clicks to create a stack  
>> (and its substacks) for a new year.
>
> Hi,
>
> Another way to do it :
>
> Open your stack (  which can contain substacks )
> do the  modifications you need to change of year, and then
> use :
>
> 	save this stack as "Accounting2011" -- or whatever
>
> HTH
>
> Thierry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Sep 28 14:05:39 2010
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:05:39 -0400
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
Message-ID: <D79C576C-B45A-4D9C-A79B-5067E4E2E930@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> on preopenCard
>    put specialfolderpath("temporary") into theFolder
>    put theFolder & "/" & the milliseconds & ".db" into theFile
>    put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",theFile,,,,) into theConn
>    put revDataFromQuery(tab, cr, theConn, "SELECT sqlite_version()")
> into theData
>    revCloseDatabase theConn
>    put "Installed SQLite version:" && theData into fld 1
>    delete file theFile
> end preopenCard

Actually, you don't even need the temporary file. Just use an in- 
memory db.

on preopenCard
   put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",,,,,) into theConn
   put revDataFromQuery(tab, cr, theConn, "SELECT sqlite_version()")  
into theData
   revCloseDatabase theConn
   put "Installed SQLite version:" && theData into fld 1
end preopenCard

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

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From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu  Tue Sep 28 14:36:24 2010
From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:36:24 -0500
Subject: Printing Problems
In-Reply-To: <868E6E1F-1B16-4F74-9057-C298FCE5FA28@inria.fr>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
	<1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>
	<346325696.29037.1285694362642.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<868E6E1F-1B16-4F74-9057-C298FCE5FA28@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <fb0784671621d.4ca1ef58@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>

I am trying to print a card and the result is that the graphics print out but not the text.  This is a new problem because it used to work fine.  I am using Rev 4.0 and Mac OSX 10.6.4 on an intel iMac. 

All the text fields use Arial and changing the font does not yield any different results.  A .doc file with arial text prints fine.  I have looked at the dictionary and tried

set the formatForPrinting of stack "WSResults" to true

but this didn't help either.

 Any pointers you might have to fix this would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Wall




From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue Sep 28 14:55:46 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:55:46 -0700
Subject: Printing Problems
In-Reply-To: <fb0784671621d.4ca1ef58@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
	<1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>
	<346325696.29037.1285694362642.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<868E6E1F-1B16-4F74-9057-C298FCE5FA28@inria.fr>
	<fb0784671621d.4ca1ef58@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
Message-ID: <491B7F45-A389-4EE4-AE53-0D469937B721@cox.net>

Hi Jim,

Some consolation. I have an "exact" same situation and it works fine, so I haven't a clue as to what your problem may be. What kind of Printer are you using? I'm using an Epson 1270, and have the user set all the parameters with the Page Setup dialog. Just call Print Card and Print marked cards in some instances. If you have any other questions about this, contact me directly.

HTH,

Joe Lewis Wilkins





On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:36 AM, jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu wrote:

> I am trying to print a card and the result is that the graphics print out but not the text.  This is a new problem because it used to work fine.  I am using Rev 4.0 and Mac OSX 10.6.4 on an intel iMac. 
> 
> All the text fields use Arial and changing the font does not yield any different results.  A .doc file with arial text prints fine.  I have looked at the dictionary and tried
> 
> set the formatForPrinting of stack "WSResults" to true
> 
> but this didn't help either.
> 
> Any pointers you might have to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Jim Wall



From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue Sep 28 14:57:57 2010
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:57:57 -0700
Subject: Printing Problems
In-Reply-To: <fb0784671621d.4ca1ef58@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
References: <422DC0EE-8303-4389-BA03-D6BE824EEECD@inria.fr>
	<1213774121.22289.1285686711514.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<CAEDF1A7-AB04-410A-904C-934BD30E585B@inria.fr>
	<346325696.29037.1285694362642.JavaMail.root@zmbs3.inria.fr>
	<868E6E1F-1B16-4F74-9057-C298FCE5FA28@inria.fr>
	<fb0784671621d.4ca1ef58@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
Message-ID: <7D2A3D1D-E895-40E8-BFA4-47C13818FCE0@cox.net>

Oh, and as a second thought: I have a background image on each card over which my text is overlaid, so no "drawing" graphics.

Joe Lewis Wilkins





On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:36 AM, jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu wrote:

> I am trying to print a card and the result is that the graphics print out but not the text.  This is a new problem because it used to work fine.  I am using Rev 4.0 and Mac OSX 10.6.4 on an intel iMac. 
> 
> All the text fields use Arial and changing the font does not yield any different results.  A .doc file with arial text prints fine.  I have looked at the dictionary and tried
> 
> set the formatForPrinting of stack "WSResults" to true
> 
> but this didn't help either.
> 
> Any pointers you might have to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Jim Wall



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 28 16:31:41 2010
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:31:41 -0700
Subject: Debugger showing globals
In-Reply-To: <20100928170006.16C44288517@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100928170006.16C44288517@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0373DF86-000B-45C6-A384-92F0A91DA710@sbcglobal.net>

Anyone else experiencing this?

The debugger is showing all globals in LiveCode 4.5 along with the  
local variables. (That preference is not selected.)

It doesn't happen in 4.0

Jim 


From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Sep 28 16:40:54 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:40:54 EDT
Subject: Debugger showing globals
Message-ID: <2b66d.17c582ea.39d3acd6@aol.com>

Me, too. I hate it.

Craig Newman


From bobs at twft.com  Tue Sep 28 16:46:43 2010
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:46:43 -0700
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
In-Reply-To: <D79C576C-B45A-4D9C-A79B-5067E4E2E930@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D79C576C-B45A-4D9C-A79B-5067E4E2E930@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <A299925D-68FE-4BE3-9465-E755CC3788E7@twft.com>

Whaaa?? There's a such thing as an In Memory DB?? Wow! Nice tip!

Bob


On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Actually, you don't even need the temporary file. Just use an in-memory db.



From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 28 17:42:43 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:42:43 -0700
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>
	<4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49290ED8-3329-4B5B-BD15-806BA67B77C7@pacifier.com>

I don't know but the developer sounds like they are
continuing to improve it from the info they provide
and might even add something if asked since they
have listed a number of things they have recently
added.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 09/28/2010 01:38 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
>> On Mac I use USB Overdrive.
>> 
>> http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
>> 
>> 
> 
> Will that take signals from any USB mouse / trackball / joystick / steering-wheel / foot-pedal
> and output them as keyDowns ??????????????????????/
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Sep 28 17:42:39 2010
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:42:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Do You Like To Play Games?
In-Reply-To: <C8C779FD.4D1D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C8C779FD.4D1D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1285710159250-2717999.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Nice intro.. my iPad is on the way... :)

Salut,
Josep
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Sep 28 17:56:40 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:56:40 -0600
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <49290ED8-3329-4B5B-BD15-806BA67B77C7@pacifier.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>
	<4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>
	<49290ED8-3329-4B5B-BD15-806BA67B77C7@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <F462BAC6-513E-4ED6-B933-26D61997E964@swcp.com>

How does that work?  Do you still open it as a joystick device or  
does USBoverdrive convert the joystick to some other device?  Does  
this do more than calibrate the joystick?  -- Dar

On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:42 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:

> I don't know but the developer sounds like they are
> continuing to improve it from the info they provide
> and might even add something if asked since they
> have listed a number of things they have recently
> added.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 09/28/2010 01:38 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
>>> On Mac I use USB Overdrive.
>>>
>>> http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html
>>>
>>> -=>JB<=-
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Will that take signals from any USB mouse / trackball / joystick /  
>> steering-wheel / foot-pedal
>> and output them as keyDowns ??????????????????????/
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Sep 28 17:59:10 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:59:10 +1000
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
In-Reply-To: <D79C576C-B45A-4D9C-A79B-5067E4E2E930@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D79C576C-B45A-4D9C-A79B-5067E4E2E930@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <3A3DAFD0-286B-4897-BA73-3C48962CBDFB@sweattechnologies.com>

> Just use an in-memory db.


ooo, that's a new one to me. Is it possible to write it out to a file later?

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 28 18:05:08 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:05:08 -0700
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <F462BAC6-513E-4ED6-B933-26D61997E964@swcp.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>
	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>
	<4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>
	<49290ED8-3329-4B5B-BD15-806BA67B77C7@pacifier.com>
	<F462BAC6-513E-4ED6-B933-26D61997E964@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <15112DEA-D301-495E-AC99-79514B78DACD@pacifier.com>

The info below is from the USB Overdrive docs.

? Introduction
?  The USB Overdrive is a universal USB driver that handles all USB mice, trackballs, joysticks and gamepads from any manufacturer and lets you configure them either globally or on an application-specific basis. It reads all kinds of wheels, buttons, switches and controls and supports scrolling, keyboard emulation, launching as well as all the usual stuff like clicking, control-clicking and so forth. The USB Overdrive can easily handle several USB devices at once- I have two mice, one trackball, two joysticks and one gamepad connected to the same iMac, and each of them comes from a different manufacturer.
?  Because each control in each device can be fully configured, the USB Overdrive lets you use any joystick or gamepad with any game, including the ones that don't support Apple's InputSprocket. You can map your joystick movements and buttons to the keyboard and mouse to make the game believe you're playing on the keyboard, and you can do this mapping separately for each game so that it's immediately available as soon as the game is launched.
?  The mouse settings allow you to speed up your daily tasks by assigning useful actions to all the extra buttons and wheels in your USB mouse. You'll typically want to assign a control-click to the right button for easy contextual menu acces, and enable document scrolling if your mouse has a scrolling wheel.
?  The Control Panel includes an active help feature that explains each command and option as you move the cursor around.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> How does that work?  Do you still open it as a joystick device or does USBoverdrive convert the joystick to some other device?  Does this do more than calibrate the joystick?  -- Dar
> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:42 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
> 
>> I don't know but the developer sounds like they are
>> continuing to improve it from the info they provide
>> and might even add something if asked since they
>> have listed a number of things they have recently
>> added.
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/28/2010 01:38 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
>>>> On Mac I use USB Overdrive.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html
>>>> 
>>>> -=>JB<=-
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Will that take signals from any USB mouse / trackball / joystick / steering-wheel / foot-pedal
>>> and output them as keyDowns ??????????????????????/
>>> _______________________________________________
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Sep 28 18:21:59 2010
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:21:59 +0100
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
Message-ID: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>

  IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of 
Blackbery:
http://na.blackberry.com/

Will Revolution, oops, LiveCode run on that (QNX Operating System)? It 
claims to be Flash compatible as well.

Viktoras


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 28 18:26:40 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:26:40 -0300
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
In-Reply-To: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
References: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jCkQazq32a4w1A5M4JEwWjAfZVDtmBkEb2G+E@mail.gmail.com>

qnx neutrino was a wonderful os... the photon micro gui still one of the
prettiest thing ive ever seen in terms of window managers

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:21 PM, viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:

>  IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of
> Blackbery:
> http://na.blackberry.com/
>
> Will Revolution, oops, LiveCode run on that (QNX Operating System)? It
> claims to be Flash compatible as well.
>
> Viktoras
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 28 18:30:18 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:30:18 -0300
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jCkQazq32a4w1A5M4JEwWjAfZVDtmBkEb2G+E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
	<AANLkTi=jCkQazq32a4w1A5M4JEwWjAfZVDtmBkEb2G+E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjbxPFxD12j=NT0hZV2Ls=0z2jir_B7ME5=dqF@mail.gmail.com>

went to that site and they say that on the specs page:

"powerful and user friendly QNX technology - this is what the World Wide Web
runs on"

No that is marketing guys speech for we're POSIX and Unix like and we have
an Apache port so we can claim all WWW is our fault. Damn, It's been forever
since I've seen a QNX server, heck, it was not created for that.

silly marketing guys

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> qnx neutrino was a wonderful os... the photon micro gui still one of the
> prettiest thing ive ever seen in terms of window managers
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:21 PM, viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:
>
>>  IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of
>> Blackbery:
>> http://na.blackberry.com/
>>
>> Will Revolution, oops, LiveCode run on that (QNX Operating System)? It
>> claims to be Flash compatible as well.
>>
>> Viktoras
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>
>
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>



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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 28 18:26:40 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:26:40 -0300
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
In-Reply-To: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
References: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jCkQazq32a4w1A5M4JEwWjAfZVDtmBkEb2G+E@mail.gmail.com>

qnx neutrino was a wonderful os... the photon micro gui still one of the
prettiest thing ive ever seen in terms of window managers

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:21 PM, viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:

>  IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of
> Blackbery:
> http://na.blackberry.com/
>
> Will Revolution, oops, LiveCode run on that (QNX Operating System)? It
> claims to be Flash compatible as well.
>
> Viktoras
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Sep 28 20:23:45 2010
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:23:45 +0100
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
In-Reply-To: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
References: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <A8B5454C-4E2C-458C-82D2-B8EF551B6A28@azurevision.co.uk>


On 28 Sep 2010, at 23:21, viktoras d. wrote:

> IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of Blackbery:
> http://na.blackberry.com/

'Soon' being March next year, and nobody appears to have seen an actual physical device yet, outside Blackberry - the video of the interface is all rendered CGI. :-(

Ian

From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 28 20:34:20 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:34:20 -0300
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
In-Reply-To: <A8B5454C-4E2C-458C-82D2-B8EF551B6A28@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4CA26A87.5060200@ekoinf.net>
	<A8B5454C-4E2C-458C-82D2-B8EF551B6A28@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=35oxY-s1qugqLAdeSbPdvHFZ+-bMA4sT-swOE@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:

>
> On 28 Sep 2010, at 23:21, viktoras d. wrote:
>
> > IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of
> Blackbery:
> > http://na.blackberry.com/
>
> 'Soon' being March next year, and nobody appears to have seen an actual
> physical device yet, outside Blackberry - the video of the interface is all
> rendered CGI. :-(
>
>
I will announce the AndresPad soon, will do it in Inkspace and claim it to
be true


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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Sep 28 21:20:42 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:20:42 +1000
Subject: MYSQL timeout
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=35oxY-s1qugqLAdeSbPdvHFZ+-bMA4sT-swOE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8C8D18A.D727%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

The problem of lengthy timeouts when trying to connect to a MSQL server that
is down/offline is bugging me again. It seems like the default timeout is 60
seconds which is way too long to wait for a response but there's no obvious
way to override it. The socketTimeoutInterval has no effect and while I've
got some old code laying around that suggests setting an environment
variable ($MYSQL_CLIENT_TIMEOUT) it doesn't work either.

Any ideas?

Terry...

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Medical Education Unit
Melbourne Medical School
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue Sep 28 22:34:28 2010
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:34:28 -0400
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
In-Reply-To: <A8B5454C-4E2C-458C-82D2-B8EF551B6A28@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OF4D7A80AD.662AB972-ON852577AD.000D286C-852577AD.000E2985@sealedair.com>

> On 28 Sep 2010, at 23:21, viktoras d. wrote:
>
>> IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of
Blackbery:
>> http://na.blackberry.com/

On 28 Sep 2010, at 08:23 PM, Ian Wood wrote:
> 'Soon' being March next year, and nobody appears to have seen an actual
physical
> device yet, outside Blackberry - the video of the interface is all
rendered CGI. :-(

I will be happy just to see equal support for Android as iOS is getting in
LiveCode.  This device from E-Noa interPad looks awesome, and many others
will be available before Christmas 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8c-pB6o86Y

~Roger




From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 28 22:44:07 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:44:07 -0300
Subject: [OT] Atlassian merges with BitBucket
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmxHa8RWv72_O+Kb32z46O_mhmY_YHZSVSvPKS@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I've just received a notice that Atlassian (makers of JIRA) merged with
BitBucket which was my beloved cheap yet wonderful online mercurial repo
thing. I don't really like Atlassian, I see them as a near-oracle, to
expensive even if with good products.

:-/

Damn...

Always knew I should use bzr and savannah. Atlassian is already phasing out
the old account plans and will now charge per user, damn, that is horrible.

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From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Tue Sep 28 23:11:48 2010
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:11:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Splash, any further thoughts on your last questions and my post. I'm sort
of still trying to figure this compile thing out. Since I want to save the
notes in the notepad stack does that mean it cannot absolutely ever be
compiled? I am beginning to think that is my error in thinking. I was
thinking I could compile my simple Notepad application because it works fine
in the run/edit environment but apparently that does not mean it can
translate to a compiled environment.

I created a simple splash program that says:


on startup
   --   hide this stack
   --   close this stack
   --   go to stack the utargetstack of this stack
   answer "Notepad3-s"
   go to stack "/Users/Mark/runrev/stacks/Notepad/Notepad3"
end startup


on preopenstack
   -- lock screen to true
   -- set visible to false
   -- hide this stack
   answer "Notepad3-p"
   go to stack "/Users/Mark/runrev/stacks/Notepad/Notepad3"
end preopenstack


In the interpretive mode I know it is using preopenstack. But not even that
is working. Any attempt to get this program to load and run the Notepad
stack ends up doing nothing? I use Meanwhile when I manually load and run
the notepad program it works just marvellous. 

This does seem to me like such a simple problem (a) I have a perfectly
functional stack (b) I would like to run it without requiring the editing
environment (or runtime environment). Compiling it as a standalone seems the
way to go. I have done that but it will not save new notes (into itself).
This is well documented. Solution is to write a "splash" program that calls
Notepad. Not working. 

Also, it would be real nice not to have to "hard code" the path in case I
want to change its location. Having to manage two stacks instead of one does
seems like an added burden.

Stumped. Any help appreciated

-- Mark
-- 
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From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 00:31:21 2010
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:31:21 -0500
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQ=Lpggwxcn_Y+VoaV9LvuA-SpK2VGydg=kcqm@mail.gmail.com>

You need to specify the filename of the stack, not the stack name. This is
simple, but works:

*on* preopenstack

   *set* the loc of this stack to the screenloc

*end* preopenstack



*on* openStack

   *send* "gothere" to me in 2 seconds

*end* openStack


*on* mouseUp

   gothere

*end* mouseUp


*on* gothere

   *if* the shiftkey is "down" *then* *exit* gothere -- so I can edit the
opener stack

   *go* stack url "http://www.myserver.com/~geoff.canyon/stacks/lola.rev" in
the window of this stack

*end* gothere


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mark Smith <Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca>wrote:

>
> Hi Splash, any further thoughts on your last questions and my post. I'm
> sort
> of still trying to figure this compile thing out. Since I want to save the
> notes in the notepad stack does that mean it cannot absolutely ever be
> compiled? I am beginning to think that is my error in thinking. I was
> thinking I could compile my simple Notepad application because it works
> fine
> in the run/edit environment but apparently that does not mean it can
> translate to a compiled environment.
>
> I created a simple splash program that says:
>
>
> on startup
>   --   hide this stack
>   --   close this stack
>    --   go to stack the utargetstack of this stack
>    answer "Notepad3-s"
>   go to stack "/Users/Mark/runrev/stacks/Notepad/Notepad3"
> end startup
>
>
> on preopenstack
>   -- lock screen to true
>   -- set visible to false
>    -- hide this stack
>   answer "Notepad3-p"
>   go to stack "/Users/Mark/runrev/stacks/Notepad/Notepad3"
> end preopenstack
>
>
> In the interpretive mode I know it is using preopenstack. But not even that
> is working. Any attempt to get this program to load and run the Notepad
> stack ends up doing nothing? I use Meanwhile when I manually load and run
> the notepad program it works just marvellous.
>
> This does seem to me like such a simple problem (a) I have a perfectly
> functional stack (b) I would like to run it without requiring the editing
> environment (or runtime environment). Compiling it as a standalone seems
> the
> way to go. I have done that but it will not save new notes (into itself).
> This is well documented. Solution is to write a "splash" program that calls
> Notepad. Not working.
>
> Also, it would be real nice not to have to "hard code" the path in case I
> want to change its location. Having to manage two stacks instead of one
> does
> seems like an added burden.
>
> Stumped. Any help appreciated
>
> -- Mark
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/loading-another-stack-from-splash-tp2547155p2718266.html
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 01:17:12 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:17:12 +0300
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <15112DEA-D301-495E-AC99-79514B78DACD@pacifier.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>	<4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>	<49290ED8-3329-4B5B-BD15-806BA67B77C7@pacifier.com>	<F462BAC6-513E-4ED6-B933-26D61997E964@swcp.com>
	<15112DEA-D301-495E-AC99-79514B78DACD@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <4CA2CBD8.3070702@gmail.com>

  On 09/29/2010 01:05 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
> The info below is from the USB Overdrive docs.
>
> ? Introduction
> ?  The USB Overdrive is a universal USB driver that handles all USB mice, trackballs, joysticks and gamepads from any manufacturer and lets you configure them either globally or on an application-specific basis. It reads all kinds of wheels, buttons, switches and controls and supports scrolling, keyboard emulation, launching as well as all the usual stuff like clicking, control-clicking and so forth. The USB Overdrive can easily handle several USB devices at once- I have two mice, one trackball, two joysticks and one gamepad connected to the same iMac, and each of them comes from a different manufacturer.
> ?  Because each control in each device can be fully configured, the USB Overdrive lets you use any joystick or gamepad with any game, including the ones that don't support Apple's InputSprocket. You can map your joystick movements and buttons to the keyboard and mouse to make the game believe you're playing on the keyboard, and you can do this mapping separately for each game so that it's immediately available as soon as the game is launched.
> ?  The mouse settings allow you to speed up your daily tasks by assigning useful actions to all the extra buttons and wheels in your USB mouse. You'll typically want to assign a control-click to the right button for easy contextual menu acces, and enable document scrolling if your mouse has a scrolling wheel.
> ?  The Control Panel includes an active help feature that explains each command and option as you move the cursor around.
>
> -=>JB<=-
>
>
  Of course this STILL means an end-user has to install something other 
than just a RunRev / LiveCode
standalone.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 29 01:17:25 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:17:25 -0700
Subject: [OT] Atlassian merges with BitBucket
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmxHa8RWv72_O+Kb32z46O_mhmY_YHZSVSvPKS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinmxHa8RWv72_O+Kb32z46O_mhmY_YHZSVSvPKS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <148448859687.20100928221725@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 7:44:07 PM, you wrote:

> I've just received a notice that Atlassian (makers of JIRA) merged with
> BitBucket which was my beloved cheap yet wonderful online mercurial repo
> thing. I don't really like Atlassian, I see them as a near-oracle, to
> expensive even if with good products.

Depends on how you define expensive. I think $10 for a ten-user
license is pretty reasonable.

http://www.atlassian.com/starter/

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Sep 29 05:10:22 2010
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:10:22 -0700
Subject: data from USB joystick
In-Reply-To: <4CA2CBD8.3070702@gmail.com>
References: <74298B7A-3071-4589-8358-EDE81DCD20B3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>	<1f70e.3289bca3.39d15857@aol.com>	<31929B37-4891-4BC0-8845-0FB17EA1C1D5@pacifier.com>	<AANLkTi=jy=-CNro42E0KFb2NyMbTmEbLC0Ddt9R8oTHH@mail.gmail.com>	<1285656265887-2716671.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4CA1C16A.2040704@gmail.com>	<22324BE2-3EE7-46B0-B367-5A811E9FB07A@pacifier.com>	<4CA1FB60.209@gmail.com>	<49290ED8-3329-4B5B-BD15-806BA67B77C7@pacifier.com>	<F462BAC6-513E-4ED6-B933-26D61997E964@swcp.com>
	<15112DEA-D301-495E-AC99-79514B78DACD@pacifier.com>
	<4CA2CBD8.3070702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6F4A615-5E16-4C34-A459-94B04495D1ED@pacifier.com>

Exactly and that is why I did not mention it in my first response
because it sounded to me like he wanted to write code that is
going to allow his program to communicate with a USD device
and not depend on anything but his program.

Which brings us back to my answer that I was writing a stack
that uses the serial port commands.  I can send it to anyone
who wants it and it will open the port and allow you to send
text but after a certain amount of text is sent nothing else will
be sent which makes me think Rev is using a memory buffer
that fills up and unless you can empty this buffer you will not
be able to send more text.

I found to communicate with a USD device on a mac with Rev
which is now Livecode you need to open the serial port and
then you need a driver to communicate with the USB device.
Someone gave me a driver that might work but I never finished
the stack for a couple of reasons.  One of the reasons was the
problem of the buffer overflow or what ever is causing things
to stop.  At the time Mark Schonewille was thinking the file
might need to be sent as a binary so I coded it to be sent as
a binary and the problem was exactly the same.  It might be
possible to use the ADT commands to control the buffer if
you are using a modem but even if you can I am not sure
if they would work on everything.

So it sounds if he wants to do it he will need to rely on some
external programs like you mentioned but if anyone knows
the answer or wants the serial port stack I have created to
test please let me know.

-=>JB<=-


On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 09/29/2010 01:05 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
>> The info below is from the USB Overdrive docs.
>> 
>> ? Introduction
>> ?  The USB Overdrive is a universal USB driver that handles all USB mice, trackballs, joysticks and gamepads from any manufacturer and lets you configure them either globally or on an application-specific basis. It reads all kinds of wheels, buttons, switches and controls and supports scrolling, keyboard emulation, launching as well as all the usual stuff like clicking, control-clicking and so forth. The USB Overdrive can easily handle several USB devices at once- I have two mice, one trackball, two joysticks and one gamepad connected to the same iMac, and each of them comes from a different manufacturer.
>> ?  Because each control in each device can be fully configured, the USB Overdrive lets you use any joystick or gamepad with any game, including the ones that don't support Apple's InputSprocket. You can map your joystick movements and buttons to the keyboard and mouse to make the game believe you're playing on the keyboard, and you can do this mapping separately for each game so that it's immediately available as soon as the game is launched.
>> ?  The mouse settings allow you to speed up your daily tasks by assigning useful actions to all the extra buttons and wheels in your USB mouse. You'll typically want to assign a control-click to the right button for easy contextual menu acces, and enable document scrolling if your mouse has a scrolling wheel.
>> ?  The Control Panel includes an active help feature that explains each command and option as you move the cursor around.
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
>> 
>> 
> Of course this STILL means an end-user has to install something other than just a RunRev / LiveCode
> standalone.
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From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 07:05:36 2010
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:05:36 +0200
Subject: sqlite: foreign keys
In-Reply-To: <3A3DAFD0-286B-4897-BA73-3C48962CBDFB@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <D79C576C-B45A-4D9C-A79B-5067E4E2E930@mangomultimedia.com>
	<3A3DAFD0-286B-4897-BA73-3C48962CBDFB@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <7F356AF3-6270-4D89-84AB-CB2EFEBF3A4C@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 28 sept. 2010 ? 23:59, Monte Goulding a ?crit :

>> Just use an in-memory db.
> 
> ooo, that's a new one to me. Is it possible to write it out to a file later?


Hi,

Running SQLite without a database file creates an in-memory database.
Using the .dump command will dump that in-memory DB to a SQL file that
can then be re-read into a file-backed database (or back into a memory
database)

But....
Sqlite  caches data in memory so a file based database and memory based perform 
much the same.

Well, depends of what you want to achieve...


HTH

Thierry





From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Wed Sep 29 09:56:15 2010
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:56:15 +0200
Subject: controls with ID 0
In-Reply-To: <1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>
	<522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B71A12C9-39E7-42E4-AA61-3D0A17738926@fiberworld.nl>

Hi all,

I have a very strange situation where controls get a ID of 0. I had  
this problem with runrev 4 and now also with the new livecode
It has happened a couple of times in different stacks.

I create  a control in a grp and the control ends up having a ID of 0.  
It's happened with btn's and now with a fld.

It's very frustrating 'cause one of the consequences is that I can't  
put text in that fld.
I managed to put text in the fld using a long id but then I get a  
formattedWidth of 0
I have the following statements in a script:
put the with of tFldId into  
tWidth                                         (tFldId is a long id.  
tWidth becomes 129)
put the formattedWidth of tFldId into tFormattedWidth   
(tFormattedWidth becomes 0)

This happens every time I create the control. Well actualy I copy a  
tmplt grp from a stack to a grp in another stack.

What should I do? This looks like quite a bug to me.

    Claudi


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Wed Sep 29 10:26:38 2010
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:26:38 -0700
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC1023B2E06@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

on Tue Sep 28 17:21:59 CDT 2010, viktoras d. wrote: 
>> PlayBook from producers of Blackbery: <<

Anyone know the song or band that's playing the music in the online
demo?
I love it.

Regards,
Mark Stuart


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 29 10:45:55 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:45:55 -0300
Subject: [OT] Atlassian merges with BitBucket
In-Reply-To: <148448859687.20100928221725@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTinmxHa8RWv72_O+Kb32z46O_mhmY_YHZSVSvPKS@mail.gmail.com>
	<148448859687.20100928221725@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=dHXmVO4CP5upBjEUzpOoy32+Ti7G0zGTrjMPp@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Andre-
>
> Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 7:44:07 PM, you wrote:
>
> > I've just received a notice that Atlassian (makers of JIRA) merged with
> > BitBucket which was my beloved cheap yet wonderful online mercurial repo
> > thing. I don't really like Atlassian, I see them as a near-oracle, to
> > expensive even if with good products.
>
> Depends on how you define expensive. I think $10 for a ten-user
> license is pretty reasonable.
>
> http://www.atlassian.com/starter/
>

yes it is Mark, that was me FUDing before actually reading the whole offer.

it might be good.



>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 29 10:45:55 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:45:55 -0300
Subject: [OT] Atlassian merges with BitBucket
In-Reply-To: <148448859687.20100928221725@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTinmxHa8RWv72_O+Kb32z46O_mhmY_YHZSVSvPKS@mail.gmail.com>
	<148448859687.20100928221725@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=dHXmVO4CP5upBjEUzpOoy32+Ti7G0zGTrjMPp@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Andre-
>
> Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 7:44:07 PM, you wrote:
>
> > I've just received a notice that Atlassian (makers of JIRA) merged with
> > BitBucket which was my beloved cheap yet wonderful online mercurial repo
> > thing. I don't really like Atlassian, I see them as a near-oracle, to
> > expensive even if with good products.
>
> Depends on how you define expensive. I think $10 for a ten-user
> license is pretty reasonable.
>
> http://www.atlassian.com/starter/
>

yes it is Mark, that was me FUDing before actually reading the whole offer.

it might be good.



>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 29 10:59:42 2010
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:59:42 -0700
Subject: [OT] Atlassian merges with BitBucket
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=dHXmVO4CP5upBjEUzpOoy32+Ti7G0zGTrjMPp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinmxHa8RWv72_O+Kb32z46O_mhmY_YHZSVSvPKS@mail.gmail.com>
	<148448859687.20100928221725@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=dHXmVO4CP5upBjEUzpOoy32+Ti7G0zGTrjMPp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75483797437.20100929075942@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 7:45:55 AM, you wrote:

> yes it is Mark, that was me FUDing before actually reading the whole offer.

> it might be good.

I'm waiting to see how this turns out, but so far it looks like a good
merger.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 29 13:12:28 2010
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:12:28 -0700
Subject: iPad's competitor from RIM
Message-ID: <4CA3737C.5080205@fourthworld.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:

> on Tue Sep 28 17:21:59 CDT 2010, viktoras d. wrote:
>>> PlayBook from producers of Blackbery: <<
>
> Anyone know the song or band that's playing the music in the online
> demo?
> I love it.

Cut Copy, "Where I'm Going"

Available by signing up for an email list here
<http://stereogum.com/440092/cut-copy-where-im-going/mp3s/>

Also available for free in iTunes (see track 8):
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cut-copy-where-im-going/id377487166?i=85256575>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 29 13:38:30 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:38:30 -0300
Subject: where to put script libraries
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgecWt=TvikKSUSNG2z9R_scEzfJiHOQtnfaWt@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I've seen from some previous emails that if you put a script library in:

  revEnvironmentUserPluginsPath() && "../resources/script libraries/"

it will be picked automatically by standalone builder in case it is needed.
Can someone (Monte?) confirm that this still the case?

I am building a new version of my LiveCode package manager and this would be
a wonderful thing to support. To be able to quickly install a library from
remote and have it constantly available for your IDE use and be included
automatically on standalones.

If someone could spare a word or two on this would be great! I am aware that
I will need a plugin to put all the library stacks into use when the IDE
launches.

andre

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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Sep 29 13:53:46 2010
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:53:46 -0600
Subject: MYSQL timeout
In-Reply-To: <C8C8D18A.D727%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C8C8D18A.D727%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <A285B482-762D-4591-8580-221FE208C6D5@byu.edu>


On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> The problem of lengthy timeouts when trying to connect to a MSQL server that
> is down/offline is bugging me again. It seems like the default timeout is 60
> seconds which is way too long to wait for a response but there's no obvious
> way to override it. The socketTimeoutInterval has no effect and while I've
> got some old code laying around that suggests setting an environment
> variable ($MYSQL_CLIENT_TIMEOUT) it doesn't work either.
> 
> Any ideas?

Terry,

Have you tried this on LiveCard 4.5? According to the release notes, there was an engine change that made opening sockets non-blocking, but I don't know whether that affects MySQL connections. 

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Sep 29 16:40:25 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:40:25 +1000
Subject: MYSQL timeout
In-Reply-To: <A285B482-762D-4591-8580-221FE208C6D5@byu.edu>
References: <C8C8D18A.D727%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<A285B482-762D-4591-8580-221FE208C6D5@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <3523A1F7-E629-4B4D-9041-4E0DA2A20DE0@unimelb.edu.au>

Yep - tried on LiveCode - no joy there so far.

Cheers,

Terry...

On 30/09/2010, at 3:54 AM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>> The problem of lengthy timeouts when trying to connect to a MSQL server that
>> is down/offline is bugging me again. It seems like the default timeout is 60
>> seconds which is way too long to wait for a response but there's no obvious
>> way to override it. The socketTimeoutInterval has no effect and while I've
>> got some old code laying around that suggests setting an environment
>> variable ($MYSQL_CLIENT_TIMEOUT) it doesn't work either.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
> 
> Terry,
> 
> Have you tried this on LiveCard 4.5? According to the release notes, there was an engine change that made opening sockets non-blocking, but I don't know whether that affects MySQL connections. 
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Sep 29 17:12:39 2010
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:12:39 +0200
Subject: MYSQL timeout
In-Reply-To: <20100929170004.DBE5A2885A6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100929170004.DBE5A2885A6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C29DA6A8-138B-4A2E-BDCB-6BFE58778AFB@derbrill.de>

Hi Terry,

had the same problem. I settled to ping the IP first before trying to connect to the DB:

  switch
         case "mac" is in the platform
            get shell("ping -q -o -c3 -t3"&&tIP)
            if the result is not empty then
               put the result into tError
            end if
            break 
         case "win" is in the platform
            set the hideConsoleWindows to true
            local tShell
            put ("ping -n 1 -w 100 "&tIP) into tShell
            get shell(tShell)
            if the result is not empty then
               put the result into tError
            end if
            break
      end switch

      if tError is not empty then
      -- can not connect to server
      end if

Even though you can not be sure, that mySQL is really up and running, you will at least know if the server is there. Hope that helps a little.

Cheers,

Malte

From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Sep 29 17:36:02 2010
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:36:02 +1000
Subject: MYSQL timeout
In-Reply-To: <C29DA6A8-138B-4A2E-BDCB-6BFE58778AFB@derbrill.de>
References: <20100929170004.DBE5A2885A6@mail.runrev.com>
	<C29DA6A8-138B-4A2E-BDCB-6BFE58778AFB@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <27E408A9-3E1F-4CB8-8438-5667AD0FE59C@unimelb.edu.au>

Thanks Malte - that seems like a good solution. My issues have mainly been with the server itself rather than with MySQL.

Terry...

On 30/09/2010, at 7:12 AM, "Malte Pfaff-Brill" <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> had the same problem. I settled to ping the IP first before trying to connect to the DB:
> 
>  switch
>         case "mac" is in the platform
>            get shell("ping -q -o -c3 -t3"&&tIP)
>            if the result is not empty then
>               put the result into tError
>            end if
>            break 
>         case "win" is in the platform
>            set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>            local tShell
>            put ("ping -n 1 -w 100 "&tIP) into tShell
>            get shell(tShell)
>            if the result is not empty then
>               put the result into tError
>            end if
>            break
>      end switch
> 
>      if tError is not empty then
>      -- can not connect to server
>      end if
> 
> Even though you can not be sure, that mySQL is really up and running, you will at least know if the server is there. Hope that helps a little.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Sep 29 17:47:24 2010
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:47:24 -0700
Subject: Livecode resources
In-Reply-To: <20100929170004.8A896288534@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20100929170004.8A896288534@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CEC6E00D-FE47-4B98-980D-8C77E47147A8@netrin.com>

On building a Windows standalone from LiveCode 4.5, I get this notice:
"Icon does not exist:/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/revEnterprise 4.5 (dp 4).app/Contents/Tools/Runtime/Windows/x86-32/Support/Sample Icons/genericapp.ico"

Why would LiveCode look in "Revolution Enterprise"?
I thought everything (but 'My LiveCode" stuff) was now supposed to be in LiveCode's own application bundle.

Jim Lambert

From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep 29 18:40:43 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:40:43 +1000
Subject: where to put script libraries
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimgecWt=TvikKSUSNG2z9R_scEzfJiHOQtnfaWt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimgecWt=TvikKSUSNG2z9R_scEzfJiHOQtnfaWt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34C9EBAF-A335-4811-921E-080766FFA785@sweattechnologies.com>

> I've seen from some previous emails that if you put a script library in:
> 
>  revEnvironmentUserPluginsPath() && "../resources/script libraries/"
> 
> it will be picked automatically by standalone builder in case it is needed.
> Can someone (Monte?) confirm that this still the case?

Sorry Andre, after some testing I found that unfortunately this has been broken some time between when I wrote the standalone builder and now. That's a fair while so I'm not all that surprised given it was an undocumented and unused feature. It's only partly broken though because the library still appears in the list of inclusions. From memory my intention was to follow this feature up with a script library stack manager in the IDE but funds at RunRev were very tight at the time and I got into other projects.

You could make it work by trapping savingStandalone and copying a library loader into the build (or just adding to the stackfiles property if you want to start using only by script) then trapping standaloneSaved and copying the stackfiles into the build. Don't forget to pass these messages or you may break revObjective and the InstallGadget plugin.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Sep 29 19:51:02 2010
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:51:02 +1000
Subject: Livecode resources
In-Reply-To: <CEC6E00D-FE47-4B98-980D-8C77E47147A8@netrin.com>
References: <20100929170004.8A896288534@mail.runrev.com>
	<CEC6E00D-FE47-4B98-980D-8C77E47147A8@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <1E9A922B-2884-4A93-8F6B-FB37B8278077@sweattechnologies.com>


On 30/09/2010, at 7:47 AM, Jim Lambert wrote:

> On building a Windows standalone from LiveCode 4.5, I get this notice:
> "Icon does not exist:/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/revEnterprise 4.5 (dp 4).app/Contents/Tools/Runtime/Windows/x86-32/Support/Sample Icons/genericapp.ico"
> 
> Why would LiveCode look in "Revolution Enterprise"?
> I thought everything (but 'My LiveCode" stuff) was now supposed to be in LiveCode's own application bundle.

Did you create and build this file first with dp4? This does seem like a minor bug in the standalone builder. The default icons should be used if the icon has not been set and that shouldn't actually set and save the property. You should report  the bug.

Cheers

--
Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
revObjective  - Making behavior scripts behave



From david_beck at rotundasoftware.com  Wed Sep 29 20:29:52 2010
From: david_beck at rotundasoftware.com (David Beck)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:29:52 -0700
Subject: LiveCode resource center from Rotunda moved
Message-ID: <4CA3DA00.1060806@rotundasoftware.com>


Hello all,

The location of the LiveCode resource center from Rotunda, which 
contains free libraries that we use in our commercial applications, has 
been changed. The new location is:

http://www.rotundasoftware.com/livecode/

Also, you may be interested in seeing some more commercial products that 
have been developed in LiveCode. Here is our new website:

http://www.rotundasoftware.com/

Rotunda helps non-profits coordinate their volunteers.

Best,

David Beck
Rotunda Software


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Sep 29 20:46:25 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:46:25 -0500
Subject: LiveCode resource center from Rotunda moved
In-Reply-To: <4CA3DA00.1060806@rotundasoftware.com>
References: <4CA3DA00.1060806@rotundasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknb-XUcML2EwQv2FJ67nQY-9Z=rL+rqHYfpVYn@mail.gmail.com>

I love Rev success stories.

Congats, the site looks great, David.

On 29 September 2010 19:29, David Beck <david_beck at rotundasoftware.com>wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> The location of the LiveCode resource center from Rotunda, which contains
> free libraries that we use in our commercial applications, has been changed.
> The new location is:
>
> http://www.rotundasoftware.com/livecode/
>
> Also, you may be interested in seeing some more commercial products that
> have been developed in LiveCode. Here is our new website:
>
> http://www.rotundasoftware.com/
>
> Rotunda helps non-profits coordinate their volunteers.
>
> Best,
>
> David Beck
> Rotunda Software
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Sep 29 21:01:56 2010
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:01:56 -0700
Subject: Android Software Piracy
Message-ID: <FD2169D8-7BB9-4827-91DF-2067D35A3E84@mac.com>

Here is a discouraging article from Network World on how easy and  
popular it is to pirate software on Android.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092910-google-android- 
piracy.html?hpg1=bn

Bill Vlahos


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Sep 29 22:54:59 2010
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:54:59 -0300
Subject: from the memory lane: Cute ASM X86 interpreter
Message-ID: <AANLkTingqpKnWNpriZwogb6m6z5wdaw6Bbv_8MKR7rDO@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I was there looking at some old files at my VPS when I noticed an old
Assembly interpreter I made with Rev. I knows only a subset of assembly for
x86 processors, just enough for me to pass one examination on the
university. I made a revlet out of it.

check it out at: http://andregarzia.com/cutex86/

I also found a cute RPN calculator I made with a naive and simple stack
implementation.

Andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From calhorner at xtra.co.nz  Wed Sep 29 19:14:46 2010
From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:14:46 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
Subject: Plugins in LC 4.5
Message-ID: <4CA3C83B.000003.03436@CALS_BIG_PC>

Help me out here!

Either I'm having a brainfreeze or age is catching up with me.

I can't figure out what has been done with the plug in folder that was in my
Revolution (edition). And all the documentation that has been provided is
leaving me stumped.

Has anyone in the list managed to get plugins to work like in the "good ol' days"?

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Sep 30 02:35:01 2010
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:35:01 -0500
Subject: Plugins in LC 4.5
In-Reply-To: <4CA3C83B.000003.03436@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4CA3C83B.000003.03436@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=q1WMuVY9Vd5qeJhORVZ6ADzNZ_vSGLJ09D9XX@mail.gmail.com>

livecode prefs:files&memory:user extensions

set to your old "My Revolution Enterprise" (or whatever you want to call it)
using the set button (...)

On 29 September 2010 18:14, Cal Horner <calhorner at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Help me out here!
>
> Either I'm having a brainfreeze or age is catching up with me.
>
> I can't figure out what has been done with the plug in folder that was in
> my
> Revolution (edition). And all the documentation that has been provided is
> leaving me stumped.
>
> Has anyone in the list managed to get plugins to work like in the "good ol'
> days"?
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 02:54:35 2010
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:54:35 +0800
Subject: how to totally make Kevin's day
In-Reply-To: <4C8EA9D7.5020704@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C8AEF5E0.13EF6%kevin@runrev.com>
	<4C894456.70103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTi=R5WSWDh5Nh5GUvv1xnrOEoxr=1Rn2Cg531OWs@mail.gmail.com>
	<63575E73-75DD-4EEA-8EC0-F37F97224D99@twft.com>
	<4C8E67D9.4060907@gmail.com>
	<86D569DE-E22A-4B9A-BC83-2212F58AD16E@twft.com>
	<4C8E73D1.1080109@gmail.com> <4C8EA9D7.5020704@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimOwqTpdxnbaBxyuJfhcaq4i2_xg-8ixxJKBsv=@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:46 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> Kevin is a very sharp cookie indeed
>

And thankfully, like most cookies, doesn't let his emotions ran rampant when
making business decisions.

Once again I'm bewildered at the level of emotion, and some of the analogies
used to describe this business decision.

I think Bob is pretty close, there are some here that no matter what Steve
does, will never forgive him for his decision or many of his other incorrect
decisions. Just as there are some on this list who will always think Steve
is a demigod, incapable of error.

Business is business and again I'm glad so many on this List do not run
Apple or RunRev. They can't seem to separate the business from the emotion.

When Steve made his lockout decision I voted with my wallet. I spent more
than U$120 on iPhone programming books. Not a single cent went to Apple.

Now Steve has reversed that decision I've just voted with my wallet again.
U$99 for LiveCode for iOS seems an absolute bargain to me. Not a single cent
went to Apple.

Hmmm, now should I get all angry and go beat my wife with the books I didn't
need to purchase after all?

That was a rhetorical question by the way, please don't respond.


From kee at kagi.com  Thu Sep 30 09:27:04 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:27:04 -0700
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <FD2169D8-7BB9-4827-91DF-2067D35A3E84@mac.com>
References: <FD2169D8-7BB9-4827-91DF-2067D35A3E84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E0A04DAD-B7C8-422B-93A9-63D25CB687AA@kagi.com>

Just want to confirm I understand these commands.

I tend to write applications that run continuously. They loop over and over doing the same tasks and pretty much never get to a point to where they halt waiting for user input. Thus for me the current script never finishes executing.

The "send blah in X minutes" command appears to only execute once the current script has completed, which in my case is never. So I assume I should never use the "in X minutes" form and only ever use send as an immediate command such that the current script halts and waits for it to complete. Correct?

Dispatch looks to me like send except it makes it easier to include parameters and does not include the delay, which I cannot use anyway. Correct?

I was hoping that I could use Send or Dispatch to fire off a bunch of get URL commands and then circle back to gather their results, a form of threads or multi-tasking but from what I can see in the 4.5 docs, that is not how those functions work. Is there a way in LiveCode to spawn a bunch of processes to run in parallel and then to process their results as they get returned? 

I'm assuming the answers are: Yes, Yes, No. Just want to make sure I understand them.

Kee Nethery

From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 09:42:09 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:42:09 -0600
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <E0A04DAD-B7C8-422B-93A9-63D25CB687AA@kagi.com>
References: <FD2169D8-7BB9-4827-91DF-2067D35A3E84@mac.com>
	<E0A04DAD-B7C8-422B-93A9-63D25CB687AA@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzA-70ELmTPOpjy-_J8PLZ-U+p_VA3ay=+AB78@mail.gmail.com>

If you're doing something like a repeat forever loop, somewhere in the loop
you should have a wait with messages command so the script has breathing
room to execute other things.
IE:
wait 10 milliseconds with messages

As for getting web urls, have you looked at the load command?

it will load a page into cache in the background, and you can designate a
callback to handle it when the load is done.  Since this is a looping
forever thing you'll need to make sure you unload the url after you process
the results so that you always get a fresh result, and so that you don't
fill your memory to the brim and bring your system to a standstill.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Kee Nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:

> Just want to confirm I understand these commands.
>
> I tend to write applications that run continuously. They loop over and over
> doing the same tasks and pretty much never get to a point to where they halt
> waiting for user input. Thus for me the current script never finishes
> executing.
>
> The "send blah in X minutes" command appears to only execute once the
> current script has completed, which in my case is never. So I assume I
> should never use the "in X minutes" form and only ever use send as an
> immediate command such that the current script halts and waits for it to
> complete. Correct?
>
> Dispatch looks to me like send except it makes it easier to include
> parameters and does not include the delay, which I cannot use anyway.
> Correct?
>
> I was hoping that I could use Send or Dispatch to fire off a bunch of get
> URL commands and then circle back to gather their results, a form of threads
> or multi-tasking but from what I can see in the 4.5 docs, that is not how
> those functions work. Is there a way in LiveCode to spawn a bunch of
> processes to run in parallel and then to process their results as they get
> returned?
>
> I'm assuming the answers are: Yes, Yes, No. Just want to make sure I
> understand them.
>
> Kee Nethery_______________________________________________
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From kee at kagi.com  Thu Sep 30 09:55:58 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:55:58 -0700
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzA-70ELmTPOpjy-_J8PLZ-U+p_VA3ay=+AB78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD2169D8-7BB9-4827-91DF-2067D35A3E84@mac.com>
	<E0A04DAD-B7C8-422B-93A9-63D25CB687AA@kagi.com>
	<AANLkTikzA-70ELmTPOpjy-_J8PLZ-U+p_VA3ay=+AB78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F34F7D6-645B-414B-ABCD-AB45E25CE337@kagi.com>

Will look at load and callback as a way to implement this kind of multitasking, thanks.
Kee


On Sep 30, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> If you're doing something like a repeat forever loop, somewhere in the loop
> you should have a wait with messages command so the script has breathing
> room to execute other things.
> IE:
> wait 10 milliseconds with messages
> 
> As for getting web urls, have you looked at the load command?
> 
> it will load a page into cache in the background, and you can designate a
> callback to handle it when the load is done.  Since this is a looping
> forever thing you'll need to make sure you unload the url after you process
> the results so that you always get a fresh result, and so that you don't
> fill your memory to the brim and bring your system to a standstill.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Kee Nethery <kee at kagi.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just want to confirm I understand these commands.
>> 
>> I tend to write applications that run continuously. They loop over and over
>> doing the same tasks and pretty much never get to a point to where they halt
>> waiting for user input. Thus for me the current script never finishes
>> executing.
>> 
>> The "send blah in X minutes" command appears to only execute once the
>> current script has completed, which in my case is never. So I assume I
>> should never use the "in X minutes" form and only ever use send as an
>> immediate command such that the current script halts and waits for it to
>> complete. Correct?
>> 
>> Dispatch looks to me like send except it makes it easier to include
>> parameters and does not include the delay, which I cannot use anyway.
>> Correct?
>> 
>> I was hoping that I could use Send or Dispatch to fire off a bunch of get
>> URL commands and then circle back to gather their results, a form of threads
>> or multi-tasking but from what I can see in the 4.5 docs, that is not how
>> those functions work. Is there a way in LiveCode to spawn a bunch of
>> processes to run in parallel and then to process their results as they get
>> returned?
>> 
>> I'm assuming the answers are: Yes, Yes, No. Just want to make sure I
>> understand them.
>> 
>> Kee Nethery_______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 10:11:08 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:11:08 EDT
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
Message-ID: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>

I don't really know what you intend, but you probably do not want to lock 
yourself into a repeat loop. As others have suggested, "send in time with 
messages" is very effective, and then call that again:

on myMessage

   doYourStuff

   send myMessage to me in 1 miilisecond with messages

end myMessage

Or someSuch.

Craig Newman


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 10:15:41 2010
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:15:41 -0600
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
References: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOMwnwkLSv4O0ukBcLj768t+2NG4g6L-+pKzXN@mail.gmail.com>

If you DO use a repeat loop, the 'wait <time> with messages' is pretty much
obligatory right? So you can setup an exit strategy and so that pending
messages (such as sends and dispatches) will still be processed, right?

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> I don't really know what you intend, but you probably do not want to lock
> yourself into a repeat loop. As others have suggested, "send in time with
> messages" is very effective, and then call that again:
>
> on myMessage
>
>   doYourStuff
>
>   send myMessage to me in 1 miilisecond with messages
>
> end myMessage
>
> Or someSuch.
>
> Craig Newman
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Sep 30 10:33:10 2010
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:33:10 EDT
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
Message-ID: <9a1f0.6d91f12e.39d5f9a6@aol.com>

Obligatory. Otherwise there is no vehicle for any other interaction. This 
was the basis for last week's thread, where it was discussed how to dig into 
a running process from outside that process. You cannot.

Fortunately, in this case the "wait" command is within the operating 
handler, and control can be delegated, and acquired, as needed.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 9/30/10 10:15:49 AM, bonnmike at gmail.com writes:


> If you DO use a repeat loop, the 'wait <time> with messages' is pretty 
> much
> obligatory right? So you can setup an exit strategy and so that pending
> messages (such as sends and dispatches) will still be processed, right?
> 


From kee at kagi.com  Thu Sep 30 10:38:59 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:38:59 -0700
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
References: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5623AE40-8B76-4834-BCC1-CBA3D67F7C29@kagi.com>

This seems like a good pattern for an app driven by a human. The apps I tend to write launch and then run forever. They constantly look into a database to see if there is something they should be doing. 
Kee


On Sep 30, 2010, at 7:11 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I don't really know what you intend, but you probably do not want to lock 
> yourself into a repeat loop. As others have suggested, "send in time with 
> messages" is very effective, and then call that again:
> 
> on myMessage
> 
>   doYourStuff
> 
>   send myMessage to me in 1 miilisecond with messages
> 
> end myMessage
> 
> Or someSuch.
> 
> Craig Newman
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From kee at kagi.com  Thu Sep 30 10:43:21 2010
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:43:21 -0700
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOMwnwkLSv4O0ukBcLj768t+2NG4g6L-+pKzXN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
	<AANLkTinOMwnwkLSv4O0ukBcLj768t+2NG4g6L-+pKzXN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96D5CE07-D0A5-4A32-8A09-BCE347CC52F8@kagi.com>


On Sep 30, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> If you DO use a repeat loop, the 'wait <time> with messages' is pretty much
> obligatory right?

Have never used it but it seems like a good thing to include as a general housekeeping kind of thing. 

> So you can setup an exit strategy and so that pending
> messages (such as sends and dispatches) will still be processed, right?

I don't use send in time I just use immediate sends. Current handler halts until the send completes. 

From what I can see in the dos, dispatch is also an immediate thing. It blocks until it completes.

Kee

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 30 12:56:46 2010
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:56:46 -0500
Subject: controls with ID 0
In-Reply-To: <B71A12C9-39E7-42E4-AA61-3D0A17738926@fiberworld.nl>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>	<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>	<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>	<522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<B71A12C9-39E7-42E4-AA61-3D0A17738926@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <4CA4C14E.1060703@hyperactivesw.com>

Claudi Cornaz wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a very strange situation where controls get a ID of 0. 

ID zero is reserved for all the template objects (templateButton, 
templateField, etc.) It does sound like a bug, but it may have something 
to do with copying the template object. It would be good to report it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 14:46:53 2010
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:46:53 +0300
Subject: Livecode resources
In-Reply-To: <CEC6E00D-FE47-4B98-980D-8C77E47147A8@netrin.com>
References: <20100929170004.8A896288534@mail.runrev.com>
	<CEC6E00D-FE47-4B98-980D-8C77E47147A8@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <4CA4DB1D.8010607@gmail.com>

  On 09/30/2010 12:47 AM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> On building a Windows standalone from LiveCode 4.5, I get this notice:
> "Icon does not exist:/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/revEnterprise 4.5 (dp 4).app/Contents/Tools/Runtime/Windows/x86-32/Support/Sample Icons/genericapp.ico"
>
> Why would LiveCode look in "Revolution Enterprise"?
> I thought everything (but 'My LiveCode" stuff) was now supposed to be in LiveCode's own application bundle.
>
> Jim Lambert_______________________________________________

Well; if you read the LiveCode documentation you will realise
that LiveCode is schizophrenic - there are constant references
to something called 'Runtime Revolution', and a few to 'LiveCode'.

Under other circumstances one might coclude that soemting was
a rush job, and insufficient care was taken in some areas . . .


From katir at hindu.org  Thu Sep 30 14:51:22 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:51:22 -1000
Subject: RSS Feed for revLessons
Message-ID: <4CA4DC2A.5060804@hindu.org>

  I have  my email client, Thunderbird, subscribed to the revLessons... 
I could have sworn that previously when I opened one of these posts in 
tBird there was a link to click to go to the lesson...

but now  the body of each article in Thunderbird has only this:

e.g.

"This lesson will show you the basics of using AJAX with revServer by 
demonstrating how to create a simple auto-complete box."

With no link to go to the actual lesson..

What am I missing?

After three years being away from web dev and stack dev, I'm back!

This is too much fun.

Sivakatirswami




From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Sep 30 17:40:22 2010
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:40:22 -0600
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
References: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <58E64E7E-3C07-4238-AFFB-3285DF6BB1ED@swcp.com>

I have a tutorial stack on using send, should anyone be interested.   
I called it message machinery or something like that.  I made it back  
when Revolution was coal fired.  It is on my website which is even  
older.

Try here:
http://pages.swcp.com/~dsc/revstacks.html

Dar



On Sep 30, 2010, at 8:11 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I don't really know what you intend, but you probably do not want  
> to lock
> yourself into a repeat loop. As others have suggested, "send in  
> time with
> messages" is very effective, and then call that again:
>
> on myMessage
>
>    doYourStuff
>
>    send myMessage to me in 1 miilisecond with messages
>
> end myMessage
>
> Or someSuch.
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Sep 30 17:54:50 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:54:50 -1000
Subject: INSERT into PostGreSQL triggers "RevdbError" but no error
Message-ID: <4CA5072A.2040301@hindu.org>

  Slightly OT if this is more about PostGreSQL than LiveCodeServer

I'm doing my very first dbase insertion from an iRev form. finally getting
  a successful a connection ID after fiddling with pg_hba.conf

ASIDE: does RevServer connect on local unix domain socket or local tcp/ip

Then tried this (all copied from the rev lesson on line)

get 
revOpenDatabase("postgresql","localhost","useful_rodents","human","")  
#no password required.

put "INSERT INTO rats-w-wings (first_name, last_name, anonymous) \
        VALUES ('Batman', 'MosquitoEater', TRUE);" into tSQL

# we have to keep him anonymous because
# he's embarrassed that he eats mosquitos.
# sorry... I'm into kids' stories lately... I like to have fun the names of
# my test objects and vars... lightens up tedious debugging

   -- query the database

put revDataFromQuery(tab, cr, gConnectionID, tSQL) into tData

    -- check the result and display the data or an error message

     if item 1 of tData = "revdberr" then
         put "There was a problem querying the database:" & cr & tData 
into tResponse
     else
         put tData into tResponse
     end if

Now the odd part:  tData returns "revdberr,"  but no error verbiage

So I'm scratching my head... I open PhpPgAdmin and check...

Aha! Batman is there in Row 1! So, why the mysterious revdberr, from 
revServer?

So I log in via terminal sudo postgres and try the insertion "by hand"

useful_rodents=# INSERT INTO  rats-w-wings (first_name, last_name, 
anonymous)
    VALUES ('Batman', 'MosquitoEater', TRUE);

% INSERT 0 1

useful_rodents=#  I'm back at the prompt:

Again,quick check and the insertion of the data works... Null is allowed 
in all fields except anonymous,

I'm a complete SQL newbie: what do the params being returned after 
INSERT "0 1" mean?  the "useful_rodents" table has one row successfully 
added and the useful_rodents_rat-w-wings_seq integer which is linked the 
main table primary key: rat-w-wings_id is incremented by one integer... 
so two things are happening on insertion. and as far as I can tell, no 
errors are being generated... unless one of those two mysterious results 
params "INSERT 0 1" are telling us something I don't understand 
(searching the web for the meaning of those two results integers, but 
not getting anything)

so, why the revdberr,  ?

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Sivakatirswami









From psahores at free.fr  Thu Sep 30 18:17:45 2010
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:17:45 +0200
Subject: INSERT into PostGreSQL triggers "RevdbError" but no error
In-Reply-To: <4CA5072A.2040301@hindu.org>
References: <4CA5072A.2040301@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <A6C50C40-EB52-4A26-9A31-56C07FA082F2@free.fr>

Have an eye on this about irev <=> postgreSQL production state design skills :

> 			put "SELECT module_name,activation FROM" && CustModules && "WHERE module_name = '" & tparam1 & "'" into sqlStatement
> 			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
> 			if dbCursorID is not a number 
> 			then return the result
> 			else 
> 						
> 				put revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"activation") into nModuleState
> 				if nModuleState is in "NY" then
> 					
> 					if nModuleState is "Y"
> 					then put "N" into nModuleState
> 					else if nModuleState is "N"
> 					then put "Y" into nModuleState
> 					put "UPDATE" && CustModules && "SET activation = '" & nModuleState & "' WHERE module_name = '" & tparam1 & "'" into sqlStatement2
> 					revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement2
> 					if the result is not a number
> 					then return the result
> 					else
> 						return "MODULE_" & nModuleState & "_OK"
> 					end if
> 					
> 				else
> 					
> 					put "INSERT INTO" && CustModules && "(module_name,activation) VALUES ('" & tparam1 & "','Y')" into sqlStatement2
> 					revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement2
> 					if the result is not a number
> 					then return the result # "error while submitting the INSERT statement ..."
> 					else return "MODULE_UPDATE_OK"
> 					
> 				end if
> 				
> 			end if

each "then return the result" will expose the original postgreSQL error message

HTH,

P.

Le 30 sept. 2010 ? 23:54, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> Slightly OT if this is more about PostGreSQL than LiveCodeServer
> 
> I'm doing my very first dbase insertion from an iRev form. finally getting
> a successful a connection ID after fiddling with pg_hba.conf
> 
> ASIDE: does RevServer connect on local unix domain socket or local tcp/ip
> 
> Then tried this (all copied from the rev lesson on line)
> 
> get revOpenDatabase("postgresql","localhost","useful_rodents","human","")  #no password required.
> 
> put "INSERT INTO rats-w-wings (first_name, last_name, anonymous) \
>       VALUES ('Batman', 'MosquitoEater', TRUE);" into tSQL
> 
> # we have to keep him anonymous because
> # he's embarrassed that he eats mosquitos.
> # sorry... I'm into kids' stories lately... I like to have fun the names of
> # my test objects and vars... lightens up tedious debugging
> 
>  -- query the database
> 
> put revDataFromQuery(tab, cr, gConnectionID, tSQL) into tData
> 
>   -- check the result and display the data or an error message
> 
>    if item 1 of tData = "revdberr" then
>        put "There was a problem querying the database:" & cr & tData into tResponse
>    else
>        put tData into tResponse
>    end if
> 
> Now the odd part:  tData returns "revdberr,"  but no error verbiage
> 
> So I'm scratching my head... I open PhpPgAdmin and check...
> 
> Aha! Batman is there in Row 1! So, why the mysterious revdberr, from revServer?
> 
> So I log in via terminal sudo postgres and try the insertion "by hand"
> 
> useful_rodents=# INSERT INTO  rats-w-wings (first_name, last_name, anonymous)
>   VALUES ('Batman', 'MosquitoEater', TRUE);
> 
> % INSERT 0 1
> 
> useful_rodents=#  I'm back at the prompt:
> 
> Again,quick check and the insertion of the data works... Null is allowed in all fields except anonymous,
> 
> I'm a complete SQL newbie: what do the params being returned after INSERT "0 1" mean?  the "useful_rodents" table has one row successfully added and the useful_rodents_rat-w-wings_seq integer which is linked the main table primary key: rat-w-wings_id is incremented by one integer... so two things are happening on insertion. and as far as I can tell, no errors are being generated... unless one of those two mysterious results params "INSERT 0 1" are telling us something I don't understand (searching the web for the meaning of those two results integers, but not getting anything)
> 
> so, why the revdberr,  ?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Sep 30 18:12:25 2010
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:12:25 +0200
Subject: send vs dispatch and continuously running processes
In-Reply-To: <5623AE40-8B76-4834-BCC1-CBA3D67F7C29@kagi.com>
References: <987bf.3c351ff2.39d5f47c@aol.com>
	<5623AE40-8B76-4834-BCC1-CBA3D67F7C29@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080fc8cab75fe577@[192.168.1.94]>

>>  > on myMessage
>>  >   doYourStuff
>>  >   send myMessage to me in 1 miilisecond with messages
>>  > end myMessage
>>  >
>This seems like a good pattern for an app driven by a human. The 
>apps I tend to write launch and then run forever. They constantly 
>look into a database to see if there is something they should be 
>doing.

This can be used as effectively for server type apps that never stop, 
daemons if you will.

>  > If you DO use a repeat loop, the 'wait <time> with messages' is pretty much
>>  obligatory right?
>
>Have never used it but it seems like a good thing to include as a 
>general housekeeping kind of thing.

This is useful to insert into long running tight loops, so the system 
gets some breathing space. Whether use this or sends in time, or 
both, depends on specific tasks.

>  > So you can setup an exit strategy and so that pending
>>  messages (such as sends and dispatches) will still be processed, right?
>
>I don't use send in time I just use immediate sends. Current handler 
>halts until the send completes.

There is place for immediate sends/calls and there is place for sends 
in time. Immediate sends/calls are ways to invoke remote handlers 
(value for functions). Sends in time are for polled execution, 
allowing sort of primitive pseudo-threading. Dispatch I see basically 
as a variant of immediate call.

Robert


From katir at hindu.org  Thu Sep 30 18:22:57 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:22:57 -1000
Subject: loading another stack from splash
In-Reply-To: <1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF09@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>	<180009.87016.qm@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF11@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>	<800587.85956.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FF29@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca>	<522866.2455.qm@web45012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<1285386979405-2669171.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1285729908452-2718266.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4CA50DC1.4060404@hindu.org>

  On 9/28/10 5:11 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> Also, it would be real nice not to have to "hard code" the path in case I
> want to change its location. Having to manage two stacks instead of one does
> seems like an added burden.
>
> Stumped. Any help appreciated
>
> -- Mark
We meaning many of us here... do this all the time.
I love keeping stacks inside the OSX application bundle,
  you can develop them from inside there and ship as as single binary..

There are two common approaches These scripts may help

on loadFromDisk
     -- Setting the default folder.
     set itemdel to "/"
     set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of 
this stack

     -- Check for application
     if there is not a file "MyNoteBook.rev" then
         if checkNet() then
             checkNetworkAndDownload #If you don't have it locally then 
get it from the web server
             exit loadFromDisk
         else
             answer error "Please connect to the internet to install 
this application"
             exit loadFromDisk
         end if
     end if

     go stack url "binfile:MyNoteBook.rev"
     hide  stack "MySplashEngine.rev"
end loadFromDisk

---------

on preopenstack
   go stack url (getPath("MyNoteBook.rev")
end preopenstack

function getPath tStack
     set the itemdel to "/"
     put the effective filename of this stack into tPath
     put tStack into item -1 of tPath
     return tPath
end getPath

By separating the function you have the interesting option of offering 
the user the option to open any number stacks you might bundle into the 
same folder:

On the splash screen you can have a pull down menu like this

on mousedown
    set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of 
this stack
    put the files into tFiles
    filter tFiles with ("*.livecode")
    put tFiles into me
end mousedown

on menuPick pStack
     go stack url (getPath(pStack))
     hide this stack # hide the splash screen now...
end menupick

Now you can put what ever stacks you like into that folder.

Don't forget to include quit handlers in all the stacks so that you 
don't leave a hung process Hidden splash screen still running.

HTH

aloha





Mark assuming that you will always put the data stacks in the same 
folder as the splash-engine stack





From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Sep 30 19:20:07 2010
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:20:07 +0100
Subject: uuencode/uudecode
In-Reply-To: <4C9BA2E6.6010605@pdslabs.net>
References: <3308839B-82EC-4828-87DA-5B5EA12567BD@m-r-d.de>
	<4C9BA2E6.6010605@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4CA51B27.6070708@tweedly.net>


Sorry about the delay - I started this interesting exercise, but got 
distracted .....

Here's a simple script that handles uuencoding a file. It's been 
moderately, but not thoroughly, tested.

> on mouseUp
>    answer file "Select a file"
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    put URL ("binfile:" & it) into tOriginal
>    -- put "Cat" into tOriginal
>    put uuencode(tOriginal, "000", "text") into tEncoded
>    put tEncoded after field "fLog"
>    put CR & the number of chars in tOriginal && the number of chars in 
> tEncoded after field "fLog"
> end mouseUp
>
> function uuencode pData, pPermission, pName
>    put 1 into tBase
>    put "begin" && pPermission && pName & CR into tOutput
>
>    put the number of chars in pData into tLen
>    put numToChar(0) & numToChar(0) & numToChar(0) after pData
>
>    put empty into tLine
>    repeat until tBase > tLen-2   -- i.e. all full words before the padding
>       put charToNum(byte tBase of pData) * 256 * 256 into t
>       add charToNum(byte tBase+1 of pData) * 256 to t
>       add charToNum(byte tBase+2 of pData) to t
>
>       put numToChar((t mod 64)+32) into t4
>       put t div 64 into t
>       put numToChar((t mod 64)+32) into t3
>       put t div 64 into t
>       put numToChar((t mod 64)+32) into t2
>       put t div 64 into t
>       put numToChar(t+32) & t2 & t3 & t4 after tLine
>
>       if the number of chars in tLine = 60 then
>          put numToChar(the number of chars in tLine * 3 / 4 + 32) & 
> tLine & CR after tOutput
>          put empty into tLine
>       end if
>       add 3 to tBase
>    end repeat
>    if tLine is not empty then
>       put numToChar(the number of chars in tLine * 3 / 4 + 32) & tLine 
> & CR after tOutput
>    end if
>    put "`" & CR & "end" & CR after tOutput
>    return tOutput
> end uuencode


On 23/09/2010 19:56, Phil Davis wrote:
>  Hi Matthias,
>
> With LiveCode on Mac OS X you could use a shell() command and let the 
> 'uuencode' line command do the work. Not sure about Windows... there 
> doesn't seem to be a direct way to uuencode a file - no 'uuencode' 
> command, nor any way to do it using PowerShell (AFAIK). Do you feel 
> like writing your own LC uu library? That should be doable.
>
> More info about the uuencode spec:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uuencoding
> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/uuencode.html
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 9/23/10 7:42 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> how can i uuencode data with LiveCode?
>> Do i need 3rd party tools for that? i cannot find anything about it, 
>> when searching the dictionary for uuencode.
>>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 30 19:27:00 2010
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 01:27:00 +0200
Subject: ANN: Installer Maker Plugin 1.4.1
Message-ID: <D3A95192-41BE-45E9-811B-201CC4D1BBEA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi all,

This is an important announcement for all users of the Installer Maker Plugin. A user found a small but important bug in the Installer Maker Plugin earlier today. The bug has been fixed and it is recommended to download the latest version of the plugin.

You can download a new copy of the Installer Maker Plugin at http://qurl.tk/ce and more information can be found at http://qurl.tk/i0 .

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Sep 30 20:11:24 2010
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:11:24 -1000
Subject: INSERT into PostGreSQL triggers "RevdbError" but no error
In-Reply-To: <A6C50C40-EB52-4A26-9A31-56C07FA082F2@free.fr>
References: <4CA5072A.2040301@hindu.org>
	<A6C50C40-EB52-4A26-9A31-56C07FA082F2@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4CA5272C.1000708@hindu.org>

  Aloha, Pierre:

Thank you!  there is nothing wrong with my SQL

If I use:
-------
put "INSERT INTO some-table (first_name, last_name, anonymous) VALUES 
('Batman', 'MosquitoEater', TRUE);" into tSQL
revExecuteSQL gConnectionID,tSQL
put the result into tResponse
-------

I get  '1'  which is success

ergo:  if my assumptions are correct, if you use revDataFromQuery for an 
insertion and
query the result you will get an error.

which makes sense... the latter is getting data out, the former is 
putting data in.
Problem solved, or rather, no problem at all except,
I was using the wrong rev dbase command for inserting data.

I guess I should probably study every single one of the revdb cmds in 
the library.



Om shanti
Sivakatirswami



On 9/30/10 12:17 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> Have an eye on this about irev<=>  postgreSQL production state design skills :
>
>> >  			put "SELECT module_name,activation FROM"&&  CustModules&&  "WHERE module_name = '"&  tparam1&  "'" into sqlStatement
>> >  			put revQueryDatabase(myDatabaseID,sqlStatement) into dbCursorID
>> >  			if dbCursorID is not a number
>> >  			then return the result
>> >  			else
>> >  						
>> >  				put revDatabaseColumnNamed(dbCursorID,"activation") into nModuleState
>> >  				if nModuleState is in "NY" then
>> >  					
>> >  					if nModuleState is "Y"
>> >  					then put "N" into nModuleState
>> >  					else if nModuleState is "N"
>> >  					then put "Y" into nModuleState
>> >  					put "UPDATE"&&  CustModules&&  "SET activation = '"&  nModuleState&  "' WHERE module_name = '"&  tparam1&  "'" into sqlStatement2
>> >  					revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement2
>> >  					if the result is not a number
>> >  					then return the result
>> >  					else
>> >  						return "MODULE_"&  nModuleState&  "_OK"
>> >  					end if
>> >  					
>> >  				else
>> >  					
>> >  					put "INSERT INTO"&&  CustModules&&  "(module_name,activation) VALUES ('"&  tparam1&  "','Y')" into sqlStatement2
>> >  					revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,sqlStatement2
>> >  					if the result is not a number
>> >  					then return the result # "error while submitting the INSERT statement ..."
>> >  					else return "MODULE_UPDATE_OK"
>> >  					
>> >  				end if
>> >  				
>> >  			end if
> each "then return the result" will expose the original postgreSQL error message
>
> HTH,
>
> P.
>



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Thu Sep 30 23:17:27 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:17:27 -0700
Subject: Listing all the unique words in a piece of text (Resource Center
	broken?)
Message-ID: <98B523D3-69BF-4FC7-BA7B-96D846ABA285@cruzio.com>

There's a sample script in the LiveCode Resource Center called "listing all the unique words in a piece of text."  It's located under "Resource Center/Sample Scripts/Text/Listing all the ..." 

There's a button available to download the script.  Unfortunately it doesn't  appear to work and I can't peek into the actual button containing the script.

I used both LiveCode and Rev Studio 4.0... same result.

If anyone has a minute to look and see if this is consistent with their setup, I'd appreciate it.  (Or if anyone has the code, I'd appreciate getting it.)

Thanks,
Mark

From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Thu Sep 30 23:42:23 2010
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:42:23 -0700
Subject: Listing all the unique words in a piece of text (Resource
	Center broken?)
In-Reply-To: <98B523D3-69BF-4FC7-BA7B-96D846ABA285@cruzio.com>
References: <98B523D3-69BF-4FC7-BA7B-96D846ABA285@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <53C2DCB0-5D62-4305-9A32-D72B2CBC1D14@cruzio.com>

I stumbled upon the solution to my own problem quite by accident.  After clicking on "copy script" of another item (with again no feedback whatsoever) I went back to my stack and attempted to paste a different script into a field (not the button script as I had tried before), on the off chance it would paste.  

Buttons and fields appeared out of nowhere.  You're not copying the script, but an entire group and the objects it holds, and you're not given any feedback.  I'm glad I have the script, but this implementation is pretty funky.

Mark


On Sep 30, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> There's a sample script in the LiveCode Resource Center called "listing all the unique words in a piece of text."  It's located under "Resource Center/Sample Scripts/Text/Listing all the ..." 
> 
> There's a button available to download the script.  Unfortunately it doesn't  appear to work and I can't peek into the actual button containing the script.
> 
> I used both LiveCode and Rev Studio 4.0... same result.
> 
> If anyone has a minute to look and see if this is consistent with their setup, I'd appreciate it.  (Or if anyone has the code, I'd appreciate getting it.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 11:15:20 2010
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:15:20 -0500
Subject: SelectedChunk
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJ1wG4kyAhUJBTV5Z60-xATVK6ZCSeE+NBwUC7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO8SxOE1b6tAgLVLjZYoKy9UxbLs+7-5n+KvmY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjHecZoMt0TcndK=52JoPzhoca1pvgLQKDWxUX@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimgT7ydAjAcG5FqRtNECGUmps2Yegu3QQHXY-LD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin4bnOtGc5U0MWzapW_mt3eJixGSKsoa7MyD0cs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim22WXYxf1DOXW9W5HAzJvd+Hd=8gY8J5SJUkFL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikJ1wG4kyAhUJBTV5Z60-xATVK6ZCSeE+NBwUC7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTine=vkuhQaGav9orZcPEJN7aXutdGvPOm-s1_Bp@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

You have saved me lots of brainstorming.  This forum post should work for
what I am doing.  Thanks again!

Warren

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3199
>
> Not the post I was thinking of, but some really useful stuff in that forum
> thread about whole word selections.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Thank you very much.  You have been most helpful!
>  >
> > All the best!
> > Warren
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Would have to program it, and now that i'm more awake, not sure you
> need
> > to
> > > go through all the convoluted stuff I did.
> > >
> > > This is probably closer to what you can end up with.
> > > on mouseUp
> > >   put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > >   put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > >   put the number of words in tTmp
> > > end mouseUp
> > >
> > > This will work with the exception that if your selection includes a
> space
> > > at
> > > the left the wordcount will be off by 1, so you'd have to test and
> decide
> > > how you want it to behave in that situation.  Will also have to test
> for
> > a
> > > simple insertion point rather than a selection also and adjust
> > accordingly.
> > >
> > >
> > > To force full word selections, I believe one of the Marks posted
> > something
> > > a
> > > not too long ago that would do this... The gist of the script (If I
> > recall
> > > correctly) was that when a selection is made, you check for word
> > boundaries
> > > to the right and left and adjust the selection accordingly.
> > > Once you have your char positions you can set the selection.
> > >
> > > select char 5 to 12 of field "yourfield"
> > >
> > > I haven't actually tried the forced selection part.
> > >
> > > G'luck with all this. If I can locate the script I'm trying to
> remember,
> > > i'll post a link.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for this.  I really appreciate it.  Looks exactly
> > > like
> > > > what I was looking for.
> > > >
> > > > You mentioned forcing only whole words.  Is this a command?  Or
> > something
> > > I
> > > > would need to program?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again!
> > > > Warren
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm positive this can be shortened, but as is should do what you
> > want.
> > > It
> > > > > could be simplified greatly of course if you are forcing only whole
> > > word
> > > > > selections, but this will account for partial word selects, and
> also
> > > just
> > > > > an
> > > > > insertion point.
> > > > > *
> > > > > on mouseUp
> > > > >   -- Determine if there is actually a selection of more than 1 char
> > > > >   if word 2 of the selectedchunk - word 4 of the selectedchunk < 0
> > then
> > > > >      put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > > > >   else
> > > > >      put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tChar
> > > > >   end if
> > > > >
> > > > >   -- Determine if the selection is already on a word boundary.
> > > > >   --if so determine which word the break is at.
> > > > >   if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> > > > >      put true into tCharMatch
> > > > >      put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > > > >      put"Word: " & the number of words  in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> > > > >   end if
> > > > >
> > > > >   -- if a match hasn't been found yet, and we're not at the field
> > start
> > > > >   -- nudge 1 char left and check for word break. Repeat until top
> of
> > > > field
> > > > > or match
> > > > >   repeat while tChar > 1 and tCharMatch is empty
> > > > >      subtract 1 from tChar
> > > > >      if char tChar of field 1 is space then
> > > > >         put true into tCharMatch
> > > > >         put char 1 to tChar of field 1 into tTmp
> > > > >         put "Word: " & the number of words in tTmp + 1 into tWord
> > > > >      else if tChar = 0 then
> > > > >         --if we reach the start of the field, must be the first
> word
> > > > >         put "Word: 1" into tWord
> > > > >      end if
> > > > >   end repeat
> > > > >
> > > > >  answer information tWord
> > > > > end mouseUp*
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there an easy way to retrieve the word # of a field based on
> the
> > > > > > SelectedChunk?  The SelectedChunk contains the start/end position
> > of
> > > a
> > > > > word
> > > > > > of a field.  Just am trying to determine which word without to
> much
> > > > > > coding...if possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for any help!
> > > > > > Warren
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