getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address

Bob Sneidar bobs at
Mon May 17 19:54:30 EDT 2010

Huh. I'm an IT guy and although I knew about (what some call) classic routers (we use a double routing method here) I was not aware that there was a such thing as fire walling without some kind of NAT protection. If this is fairly common as you say, I am quite shocked! For servers I would set up a one to one NAT so that the actual IP of the servers would not be visible to the public side in order to prevent IP spoofing. Seems a risky thing to do these days. 

Still, I think the more likely scenario for this thread is that he doesn't have a firewall solution that is not a personal firewall, which I always recommend for any home user or business. 


On May 17, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> On 17/05/2010 23:48, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> That's because you connect to the internet without a gateway/router/firewall, in which case there is no public IP. I would rectify that situation pronto. No one should connect directly to the internet these days.
> No, it doesn't necessarily imply that there is no router/firewall. It does imply there is no NAT function in the router/firewall, but it's perfectly possible, and in fact still fairly common, to have public IP = local IP. Most common in medium to large companies which got in early in the IP address space race, and have more than enough addresses to have no need for address sharing/translation; however, it's also possible for any home user who buys dedicated IP address(es) service from their ISP, say if they want to run their own servers.
> And of course you can have a transparent firewall (e.g. Cisco PIX or ASA) either in your own network or in the service provider's regardless of whether or not you have NAT in the router.
> -- Alex.
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