HTMLtext doesn't play well with CSS

Jim Ault jimaultwins at
Sat Jul 17 10:36:03 EDT 2010

I think I get it.  The user makes changes in a field, then uploads the  
HTMLtext version for web display.
You need to remember that the HTMLtext was created many years ago for  
Rev field rendering, and not for web browsers.
So let's take an approach in Rev that I use for other purposes but may  
apply here.

Rev is a very powerful text chunk engine, so use HTMLtext during the  
casting of text blocks, then convert to valid HTML, etc before  
sending.  I don't have any experience using HTMLtext.  If the real  
issue is that the tags look good before uploading but then the CSS  
does not work when inserted in the page, there may be something going  
on that I am missing.

There is no wheel that I know of, and I have been listening to this  
list for about 6 years.

Since this is a Rev list and not a web geek list, why not contact me  
off list so we can work on a solution, then come back to the list with  
the answer.  There will be many who will be interested in the result,  
but not a long thread.

Let me know if this helps.
I will be happy to build and modify web pages on one of my test sites  
to see what possible solutions we can find>

Does this sound good for you?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Tim Ponn wrote:

> OK...let me explain more fully...
> Problem:
> There are web geeks (myself included) who create and/or maintain web  
> sites. and are  
> two of mine.  The creation is quite easy with all the drag and drop  
> tools available out there.  I usually tweak (sometimes heavily,  
> sometimes not so) the graphics or the resulting page code.  When  
> it's finished, I turn the "keys" to the site over to whoever owns  
> it.  Unfortunately, 99.9% of the time they are clueless to web  
> geekery.  By the time you get to the "t" in "ftp", their eyes have  
> glazed over and they're drooling...much the same as I look when an  
> accountant utters more than 2 syllables to my engineeringness.  ;=)   
> So, when it comes time to update the site, they return to my  
> doorstep.  Not a big deal if it's once or twice a year...but when  
> it's a club site...or the site for a bowling league...or the  
> like...I can get requests every day!  And the changes are, in these  
> cases, dirt simple..."Could you put these latest scores on the  
> site?" or "Here's this months newsletter!"
> The solution I'm cobbling together:
> In a sentence...Let them do it themselves.  When I create the site,  
> I insert a comment (or many, if required..maybe one per bowling  
> team...whatever) like "<!--whevIn--><!--whevOut-->" someplace on a  
> page.  My simple rev app contains a field and a button.  There's  
> significant password protection, blahblah, going on that I don't  
> need to get into here.  There's additional stuff going on 
> loss percentages...rankings...blahblah.  But, the bottom line  
> is...ANYBODY who can enter text and click a btn can update a page,  
> or a range of pages or a portion of a page.  My app gets the  
> url...inserts the text field at the "markers" I've left...then ftp's  
> it back up to the site.  Simple.
> Right now, it's just text, but I may add graphics later..jpegs,  
> gifs, whatever.
> Now, to clarify my original question:
> I want the user to be able to change font sizes, make bold, italic,  
> whatever.  I also want them to have the freedom to turn some of the  
> text into links, etc.  When I try to use HTMLtext in rev, the  
> results are not so good.  How do I improve it?  I mean, if I have to  
> roll up my sleeves and just write it all...fine...but is there a  
> wheel that somebody has created already out there?
> I doubt it matters, but...17" MacBook Pro/Snow Leopard 10.6.4/Rev  
> Enterprise 4.5.0-dp-3
> Thanks!
> On Jul 17, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Tim Ponn wrote:
>>> Hello all!
>>> I'm trying to use the HTMLtext of the contents of a field to  
>>> modify a CSS web page, and it butchers font sizes and style.  Is  
>>> there something other than HTMLtext that I should be using?
>>> Thanks!
>> HTMLtext is a subset of HTML tags that Rev uses to do formatting in  
>> fields.  It is not meant to be compliant with browsers, especially  
>> the modern day versions.
>> When you render the web pages, do you then run compliance checking?
>> Very like you have quite a few conflicts, especially if the DOCTYPE  
>> is beyond 1.0
>> The CSS javascript will silently at the first error and none of the  
>> other CSS will get applied.
>> Your description of your process is quite vague, so it is difficult  
>> to be more helpful.
>> Do go to one of the many compliance checking sites, enter the url,  
>> and follow the bouncing error messages, if any.
>> Also visit  to study the interpretation  
>> variations that each browser.version uses.  The most variant is IE  
>> in its many versions.

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