Strategic : RunRev and Linux [was : RunRev Script Editor and Linux]
psahores at free.fr
Thu Jul 15 04:48:40 EDT 2010
Thanks for this, Peter ! Hopefully, your post will help ...
Le 15 juil. 2010 à 10:28, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :
> I'm not (publicly at least) telling Kevin how to run his business. I am
> saying to him, I bought it, and I want it to work. That is an entirely
> legitimate point to make, first privately, then publicly if that has no
> Are native Linux apps distro and installation specific? No. Are they
> compiled individually? Yes. You can download the source code for gedit and
> compile it on any Linux installation with the classic
> make install
> We do not have a version of gedit which is tweaked for ion2 or Debian. We
> have a version of gedit that is written to be compileable so as to run on
> any Linux.
> Installation differs from distro to distro, because the various files may be
> in different places, and they use different package managers. The source
> code is the same however. But this specific install issue is not what is
> going wrong with Rev. It is not being released in an apt or rpm version for
> installation, its being released as a universal binary that should just run
> from the home directory, from /etc - from anyplace.
> Take RealBasic. You download a package. From memory, they have deb, rpm
> and universal binary versions. I picked the universal binary, put it in my
> home directory, fired it up, and it runs. If its correctly written why
> wouldn't it? If RealBasic can do it, Rev can do it.
> We need to accept the real situation. This is not about whether some of us
> are suited to a particular programming language more than another. Rev
> suits me perfectly, when it works. Its about whether core functionality of
> a particular programming language works as required and as advertised.
> Its not about standardizing on one distro. Python does not have to
> standardize on one distro, gedit does not, RealBasic does not, neither does
> Rev. The task is to run on Linux. That's the standard. If it don't run on
> a plain vanilla install of Debian or Suse or Red Hat, it ain't a product.
> It is not that Rev works perfectly, but only on one distro that it has
> standardized on. It does not work properly on any distro. This is why,
> while releasing a community distro with Rev preinstalled might be a step
> towards diagnosing the problem, it is not the solution to the problem.
> It is not that some of us do not have the dependencies that Rev needs either
> installed, properly installed, or properly configured. This could happen I
> suppose, but it is Rev's problem and not ours if it does. A well behaved
> Linux application will test for the short list of dependencies that Rev has
> and notify the user if they are missing. And they are, incidentally,
> minimal. It will be hard to find a mainstream distribution that does not
> include them.
> I have found Window Managers Rev will not run on. I've not found a distro
> it will not run on.
> It is not about whether Linux is suitable for the desktop. It is, but if
> even were it not, this would not be a valid excuse for releasing product
> that does not work on it. If you really don't think its suitable for the
> desktop, don't sell product that is doomed for failure when attempting to
> run on it. Of course, Linux is perfectly suitable for the desktop, and
> there is no reason why you cannot have stable applications on it.
> Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Suse have tens of thousands of them.
> Should we use workarounds?
> In a way yes, that was a route I took in the beginning. The editor crashes,
> use Geany. The fonts don't show, use the few ones that do. Printing? Use
> awk to reformat, or output to a handwritten .rtf file and pipe it into
> OpenOffice. Of course, all this is the reverse of write once and run
> everywhere, but still. The screen? Reset the resolution every time you use
> Rev? This is where I draw the line. No, I'm not doing that. As a
> customer, I won't be treated like this by any company.
> What should we do for Rev? It seems to me that the best thing we could do
> for them is, stop making excuses for them. Python, RealBasic, PyQT, PyGTK,
> Perl, Lua.... they all run on Linux without all this stuff. There is no
> reason Rev cannot too. It must, if its to have a future on the platform.
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