On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the last char of NOMEN > delete the first char of NOMEN In case you were yearning for a cuter solution: answer char 2 to the number of chars in NOMEN - 4 of NOMEN