Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu
Tue Feb 9 10:20:33 CST 2010
Right. I was just having this argument, er, discussion on a history list
I'm on; they made me think I was crazy so I spent a few minutes googling
such things and found the most astonishing stuff (to me at least; the
Brit history folks either denied the stuff outright or thought these
things were a-okay):
*A pilot plan, already in place in 2,000 UK private residences, to have
ultimately up to 20,000 CCTVs installed in people's homes to ensure kids
did their homework, parents fed them approved substances, etc.
*The ~4 million CCTV surveillance systems already in place in the UK have
image quality so poor as to utterly fail in 80% of criminal identification
cases, and solving only 1 case per 1,000 cameras.
*The infamous "spy on your neighbor/go through their trash" billboards.
Not that we're a whole lot better in the US, as we saw yesterday... It
was recently revealed that the FBI, in contravention to US law, literally
used Post-It notes on teleco worker's workstations to illegally access US
residents' phone records... :-/
Does anyone here remember the late 60s BBC program The Prisoner? Among
its iconic elements were the ever-prominent placement of CCTVs to spy on
people, on the street and in their residences. I'm not certain that
anyone today would find that odd in the slightest, much less chillingly
Police state, here we come :-(
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Neal Campbell <nealk3nc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was
>> years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured
>> out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible
>> things you would have a "real" chip in your passport. This stuff is like
>> squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different
>> one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes
>> thru SWIFT.
> My partner is leaving the UK on holiday and asked me what was the
> limit on taking cash out of the country. I told him that as far as I
> knew, there was no limit (amazing as that sounds -- I remember it
> being one of the first things that Thatcher did when she came to
> He told me that this couldn't be true. So I did a quick search and
> found out that things have drastically altered. Not the law, mind you
> -- AFAICT there is still technically no limit. But it turns out that
> people who have as little as £1000 in cash on them at airports are
> quizzed about it and required to show proof of where this money came
> It would not cross my mind if going for a 14+ day holiday to take less
> than £3000 cash with me. And it would also never have crossed my mind
> to make sure I could provide an audit trail too.
> Why would I take so much cash? Because I've been injured on holiday
> before and needed a lot of scans. And because I've been stranded
> abroad where my credit cards with over £30,000 of credit on them and
> which have never been compromised, were refused in ATMs, leaving me no
> option but to pay massive charges elsewhere to draw money out on my
> credit cards. It transpired that there had been so much ATM fraud in
> that city that foreign cards could not be used. When I took this up
> with my bank back home, every guarantee that the matter had been
> resolved (and that I could now use my cards) turned out to be
> worthless. When asked why we weren't warned about these things in the
> UK, they said if they did that the fraudsters would just move on. But
> that is exactly what they will do within hours of their fake ATM
> cards not working!
> So, one can't rely on ATMs, and if one takes anything other than pin
> money on a foreign vacation one should be prepared to provide a trail
> that can be audited.
> Unbelievable. The end result is that I now do a fraction of the
> travel that I used to do.
> And yet governments still take steps that ensure there is a drugs
> trade, they don't take any real measures against known terrorist
> groups, and most CCTV cameras fail to prevent or solve crimes.
> Security theatre, as Bruce Schneier calls it.
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