From katir at hindu.org Wed Jul 1 00:18:05 2009 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:18:05 -1000 Subject: Mailing List Problems? In-Reply-To: References: <4A49F757.9040704@crcom.net> Message-ID: <4A4AE37D.5070103@hindu.org> Kay C Lan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Len Morgan wrote: > > >> It makes me wonder how much I may be missing because I'm using the digest >> version of the list. >> >> > > I gave up on Digest mode a long time back for exactly that reason. > > > >> As final question, does anyone know if in Thunderbird, a long digest takes >> up more disk space than the individual messages would take? I can always >> have them go directly to my Revolution folder but I was thinking that would >> be a massive amount of data. >> >> > > I suggest you create a gmail or similar account just for this (and other) > mailing lists, that way you can use their HD space rather than yours:-) I've > been on this List for a couple of years and the stats shows that I'm at 343 > MB or 4% of my 7343 MB allowable space so I don't think I'll be running out > soon;-) Not only is that 343 MB of space saved on my HD, it's OVER 343 MB of > HD space I've saved off my TimeCapsule. Even if Digest mode were a little > slimmer it's still going to be a sizeable amount of space so why not let > gmail take care of the space and backup problems; it also has a nice search > feature and I use their Labels to categorise all the List posts in to one or > more of over a dozen Labels - helps in searching. > > HTH > Ditto the above, I use Tbird, gMail and receive individual posts. I prefer to keep them locally and delete periodically, because the time I may have to read rev lists is often a time when I have no connection (at the dentist e.g.) But, they will always be there in gMail. Individual posts or digests take up the same space in tBird, but if you set a folder in Tbird, create a rule to send all list message to that folder and then turn on threading, it's actually much, much better than digests. Threads that have no value in your universe you can delete in one go... not possible in digests. skts > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From revdev at pdslabs.net Wed Jul 1 01:27:15 2009 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:27:15 -0700 Subject: RevOnline: Shell Command Help Message-ID: <4A4AF3B3.2020502@pdslabs.net> I just uploaded another tool to (the new) RevOnline. It displays help info retrieved from the OS on any shell() command you may want to learn about. Shell Command Help is suitable for use as a Rev plugin, and it works on all platforms. -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From bvlahos at mac.com Wed Jul 1 03:51:26 2009 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:51:26 -0700 Subject: right-click on Mac? In-Reply-To: <4A47D8C3.2070301@gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b70906271843o54e9b067rd9f88d21b97567d1@mail.gmail.com> <4A47D8C3.2070301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D964EAC-7040-479F-AABE-46ED49DA9A3F@mac.com> The Apple Mighty Mouse both wired and wireless supports left and right clicking. The default setting out of the box doesn't have that feature enabled but it is a simple preference change. Also, virtually any USB mouse works with Macs including left and right buttons and scroll wheel. Bill Vlahos On Jun 28, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I just had a glisk at the Apple website and there was stated: > > "The Apple Mighty Mouse comes standard with your Mac." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse > > personally I'm rather happy with a bottom of the range > Logitech - but then all my Macs came with single-button > mice. > > The only single-button mouse I have hung onto is the > lovely round one that came with the G3 iMac. > > Nicolas Cueto wrote: >> Hello, >> >> The gmane search engine seems to be down >> so I'll ask it here. >> >> It's been years since I've used a Mac, but >> I'm assuming for now that the mouse >> generally shipped with Macs still doesn't >> use a left/right (and centre) click like >> Windows mice do. >> >> If so, what is an elegant/simple way of >> translating the mouse-click related handlers >> of a stack/standalone originally designed >> for Windows to a Mac platform? >> >> Also, on a somewhat related topic. In runrev's >> standalone settings for Macs, there are >> three build-options. Must I build for all three? >> Can I just go with "OS X universal"? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Nicolas Cueto >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 04:07:44 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:07:44 +1000 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: >> Me for one. My app Pic-a-POD suffers >> greatly from this problem as more and more large images appear on the >> internet. At the moment I am forced to check for images with more than >> 4000 pixels on any side, and if so, I just have to show a notice >> saying that the image is too big to display. > > +1 > > Pic-a-POD sits on my desktop :-) > > "POD" web sites do change their format from time to time, though... > For instance, National Geographic leads to a "Picture is not in the > correct format" warning. > and Wikipedia furnishes regurlarly too big images! Just to confirm this after some tests: - the problem is on Mac only - the height of the image does not seem to matter - my test image displayed correctly at 4090 x 3000 pixels (72 dpi) - my test image sometimes displayed correctly at 4091 x 3000 pixels (72 dpi) - my test image failed at 4095 x 3000 pixels (72 dpi) I have not yet done enough testing to tell whether the overall number of pixels or the dpi alters this slightly variable cut-off point. For Pic-a-POD, I intend to change "Can't display" message so it only shows if the width of the image is > 4000 and the platform is Mac. BTW, Dom there is now an update to Pic-a-POD that fixes the National Geographic problem. With regard to Wikipedia supplying enormous images, does anyone know a method for determining the size of a download before it starts? Once the download has begun the URLStatus gives the total size, but it would be really useful to get this before starting. I guess I can see whether I can get a directory listing but I doubt that would be permitted. The only other option I can think of is to start downloading invisibly, and stop after the first status report, suing that data to see whether the incoming image file is too large. Cheers, Sarah From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Jul 1 04:28:48 2009 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <24278988.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <24286092.post@talk.nabble.com> Bill Marriott wrote: > > Bernd, > > Actually in my testing on my machines, over about 20 tests, your change > ends > up being slightly slower by about 1%, depending on the images :) ... > It's interesting how the timed duration can change from one execution to > the > next. I tested about, well 10 times each when concluding that the version I posted was a little faster. When testing again it was slower, as you noticed. So no dice with this version :) Again thank you for this challenge and the code. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inefficient-code-tp24226458p24286092.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at futilism.com Wed Jul 1 05:42:38 2009 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:42:38 +0100 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: Sarah, to get the size of what will be returned by a "get url", you need to issue an HTTP HEAD request, which will return the http headers that would be returned from a GET request, but without the actual content. Something like this in a button script: on mouseUp put "http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html" into tUrl put urlHead(tUrl) end mouseUp function urlHead pUrl set the itemdelimiter to "/" put "HEAD /" && item 4 to -1 of pUrl && "HTTP/1.1" & cr into tHeads put "Host:" && item 3 of pUrl & cr after tHeads put "Accept: */*" after tHeads libUrlSetCustomHttpHeaders tHeads get url pUrl return libUrlLastRhHeaders() end urlHead should return something like: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:30:23 GMT Server: Apache Last-Modified: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:55:28 GMT ETag: "32224e1-19ca-49aab400" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 6602 Vary: Accept-Encoding Connection: close Content-Type: text/html where the "Content-Length" line is the size in bytes of the content. Sometimes this seems to take quite a few seconds, and I don't know why (I think libUrl doesn't like non-GET/POST requests), but if you have curl available, you can do this: get shell("curl -s -I " && quote & tUrl & quote) -- that '-I' is an uppercase 'I' for India which will give you the same thing, without any delay. Best, Mark On 1 Jul 2009, at 09:07, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > With regard to Wikipedia supplying enormous images, does anyone know a > method for determining the size of a download before it starts? Once > the download has begun the URLStatus gives the total size, but it > would be really useful to get this before starting. I guess I can see > whether I can get a directory listing but I doubt that would be > permitted. The only other option I can think of is to start > downloading invisibly, and stop after the first status report, suing > that data to see whether the incoming image file is too large. From lists at futilism.com Wed Jul 1 05:50:32 2009 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:50:32 +0100 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <0BAB3C6C-DDAA-4E76-AFAD-7A5A9F1C12CA@futilism.com> In fact, I'd recommend the curl method, as it seems like the libUrl method doesn't seem to get all the headers, anyway. For this url: "http://marksmith.on-rev.com/msbass/instruments.html" the liburl method got: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:46:17 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 whereas the curl method got: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:49:05 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Last-Modified: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:22:33 GMT ETag: "c0c0087-2150-e956bc40" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 8528 Content-Type: text/html Dave (Cragg) - is there a better way to do a HEAD request using libUrl? Best, Mark On 1 Jul 2009, at 10:42, Mark Smith wrote: > Sometimes this seems to take quite a few seconds, and I don't know > why (I think libUrl doesn't like non-GET/POST requests), but if you > have curl available, From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Jul 1 06:00:27 2009 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:00:27 +0100 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: Pixel size is needed for getting around this bug, not file size... Ian On 1 Jul 2009, at 10:42, Mark Smith wrote: > Sarah, to get the size of what will be returned by a "get url", you > need to issue an HTTP HEAD request, which will return the http > headers that would be returned from a GET request, but without the > actual content. Something like this in a button script: From lists at futilism.com Wed Jul 1 06:09:24 2009 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:09:24 +0100 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <74905303-227A-4D9C-B43B-61B2B0E6F2C3@futilism.com> I see what you mean, if the height doesn't matter. Perhaps one could apply some sort of guess about what height/width ratios are likely/ unlikely, and go from there? Best, Mark On 1 Jul 2009, at 11:00, Ian Wood wrote: > Pixel size is needed for getting around this bug, not file size... > > Ian > > On 1 Jul 2009, at 10:42, Mark Smith wrote: > >> Sarah, to get the size of what will be returned by a "get url", >> you need to issue an HTTP HEAD request, which will return the http >> headers that would be returned from a GET request, but without the >> actual content. Something like this in a button script: > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 06:16:45 2009 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:16:45 +0300 Subject: right-click on Mac? In-Reply-To: <8D964EAC-7040-479F-AABE-46ED49DA9A3F@mac.com> References: <1e91b2b70906271843o54e9b067rd9f88d21b97567d1@mail.gmail.com> <4A47D8C3.2070301@gmail.com> <8D964EAC-7040-479F-AABE-46ED49DA9A3F@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A4B378D.3030605@gmail.com> Absolutely . . . and, for the 95th time . . . my Nostromo 52 "gamepad" is really marvellous whehn configured for RunRev! Bill Vlahos wrote: > The Apple Mighty Mouse both wired and wireless supports left and right > clicking. The default setting out of the box doesn't have that feature > enabled but it is a simple preference change. > > Also, virtually any USB mouse works with Macs including left and right > buttons and scroll wheel. > > Bill Vlahos > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> I just had a glisk at the Apple website and there was stated: >> >> "The Apple Mighty Mouse comes standard with your Mac." >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse >> >> personally I'm rather happy with a bottom of the range >> Logitech - but then all my Macs came with single-button >> mice. >> >> The only single-button mouse I have hung onto is the >> lovely round one that came with the G3 iMac. >> >> Nicolas Cueto wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> The gmane search engine seems to be down >>> so I'll ask it here. >>> >>> It's been years since I've used a Mac, but >>> I'm assuming for now that the mouse >>> generally shipped with Macs still doesn't >>> use a left/right (and centre) click like >>> Windows mice do. >>> >>> If so, what is an elegant/simple way of >>> translating the mouse-click related handlers >>> of a stack/standalone originally designed >>> for Windows to a Mac platform? >>> >>> Also, on a somewhat related topic. In runrev's >>> standalone settings for Macs, there are >>> three build-options. Must I build for all three? >>> Can I just go with "OS X universal"? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Nicolas Cueto >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From viktoras at ekoinf.net Wed Jul 1 06:28:39 2009 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:28:39 +0300 Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions (loopless) In-Reply-To: <24286092.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <24278988.post@talk.nabble.com> <24286092.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4A4B3A57.7090203@ekoinf.net> here is one more simple, loop-less, dirty but fast script (130 millisec on 1.5 GHz celeron) which produces image of differences. Will not work on MacOSX because it uses srcXOR ink :-). I imagine more variations and combinations are possible also using bitXOR to process imagedata in a loop. http://ekoinf.net/revolution/imageDif.rev Viktoras From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 07:15:44 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:15:44 +1000 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: Sorry, I side-tracked the thread into helping me work out the size of a download,rather than the pixels of an image. Sarah On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > Pixel size is needed for getting around this bug, not file size... > > Ian > > On 1 Jul 2009, at 10:42, Mark Smith wrote: > >> Sarah, to get the size of what will be returned by a "get url", you need >> to issue an HTTP HEAD request, which will return the http headers that would >> be returned from a GET request, but without the actual content. Something >> like this in a button script: > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Jul 1 08:13:16 2009 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <24278988.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <24288750.post@talk.nabble.com> Bill, why I tried to do a forward check for equality is that I thought it would be faster, because you always start at the end and come down to find the pixels that are not equal/equal. I wanted to go forward until there is inequality . And then proceed. From my feeling this could lead to fewer operations. Of course depending on the images. So I turned your approach around: fits into your stack. core algorithm: ---------------------- set the cursor to watch put 0 into numCalcs put the milliseconds into t -- begin timing put 0 into currPixel put the length of ImageA into dataLength put 4 into rangeToCheck repeat while currPixel < dataLength -- check forward for equality of chunks of the two images repeat while char currPixel+1 to currPixel+rangeToCheck of ImageA = \ char currPixel+1 to currPixel+rangeToCheck of ImageB -- was equal so double the range to check add rangeToCheck to rangeToCheck if rangeToCheck > dataLength then exit repeat end repeat -- we found one changed pixel, rangeToCheck = 4 if rangeToCheck = 4 then put 1 into bytesChanged[currPixel+1] add 4 to currPixel else -- since equality failed the last valid rangeToCheck value was rangeToCheck div 2 add rangeToCheck div 2 to currPixel -- start anew with 4 Bytes subtract rangeToCheck - 4 from rangeToCheck end if end repeat -- end timing put the milliseconds - t into theDuration --------------------------- since my last indications on performance were a little off, I leave it up to you to determine that. :) (more an academic exercise) regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inefficient-code-tp24226458p24288750.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gbrackett at luceatlux.com Wed Jul 1 08:22:53 2009 From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:22:53 -0400 Subject: [revOnline] AllowedChars Behavior Message-ID: I recently uploaded to the new revOnline a text field behavior that allows only characters listed in a custom property (e.g., numbers and a decimal point) to be typed in the field. I find it useful in minimizing the checking required for user entry. The behavior is an adaptation of Devin Asay's Password Field behavior, also available on the new revOnline. George From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Jul 1 08:25:18 2009 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions (loopless) In-Reply-To: <4A4B3A57.7090203@ekoinf.net> References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <24278988.post@talk.nabble.com> <24286092.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A4B3A57.7090203@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <24288892.post@talk.nabble.com> Victoras, very nice. I went that road too, I did a srcOrReverse and than I wanted to test the maskdata for non transparency (would reduce the amount of data by 8: not comparing 2 pictures and then just working on one byte for each pixel. Did not get the Alpha channel working. Would have been interesting for large images. If you are interested: in your 2 images there are 25920 pixels that are different and it took me 90 milliseconds to find out. Thanks to Bill's algorithm. (your stack works on a Mac, I am using one) regards Bernd viktoras d. wrote: > > here is one more simple, loop-less, dirty but fast script (130 millisec > on 1.5 GHz celeron) which produces image of differences. Will not work > on MacOSX because it uses srcXOR ink :-). I imagine more variations and > combinations are possible also using bitXOR to process imagedata in a > loop. > > http://ekoinf.net/revolution/imageDif.rev > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inefficient-code-tp24226458p24288892.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Jul 1 08:29:09 2009 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:29:09 +0100 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: <0BAB3C6C-DDAA-4E76-AFAD-7A5A9F1C12CA@futilism.com> References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> <0BAB3C6C-DDAA-4E76-AFAD-7A5A9F1C12CA@futilism.com> Message-ID: <0EB5D2C0-4C38-4597-9088-D56915E4C5D3@lacscentre.co.uk> On 1 Jul 2009, at 10:50, Mark Smith wrote: > In fact, I'd recommend the curl method, as it seems like the libUrl > method doesn't seem to get all the headers, anyway. > > For this url: "http://marksmith.on-rev.com/msbass/instruments.html" > the liburl method got: > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:46:17 GMT > Server: Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips- > rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 > Connection: close > Content-Type: text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 > > whereas the curl method got: > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:49:05 GMT > Server: Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips- > rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 > Last-Modified: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:22:33 GMT > ETag: "c0c0087-2150-e956bc40" > Accept-Ranges: bytes > Content-Length: 8528 > Content-Type: text/html > > Dave (Cragg) - is there a better way to do a HEAD request using > libUrl? I tried your method (urlHead function) and it returned a full set of headers: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:35:42 GMT Server: Apache Last-Modified: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:55:28 GMT ETag: "32224e1-19ca-49aab400" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 6602 Vary: Accept-Encoding Connection: close Content-Type: text/html Just a couple of points about the function. You should probably add a "Connection: close" header. In this case it didn't matter as the server closed the connection anyway. But with other servers, it may cause a timeout as libUrl thinks it's handling a GET request and will try to read from the socket while it is open. You should perhaps also set libUrlFollowHttpRedirects to false. This isn't so clean as you can't get the current state of the redirect setting, and restore it later. And unlike other libUrl calls, you should ignore "the result" on this. It will always indicate an error. Things would be better if HEAD were handled properly so we didn't have to use workarounds such as these. Cheers Dave From viktoras at ekoinf.net Wed Jul 1 10:01:21 2009 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:01:21 +0300 Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions (loopless) In-Reply-To: <24288892.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <24278988.post@talk.nabble.com> <24286092.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A4B3A57.7090203@ekoinf.net> <24288892.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4A4B6C31.1090401@ekoinf.net> Hi Bernd, likely revolution dictionary entries on inks need to be updated :-) regards Viktoras > (your stack works on a Mac, I am using one) > > regards > Bernd > > > > > viktoras d. wrote: > >> here is one more simple, loop-less, dirty but fast script (130 millisec >> on 1.5 GHz celeron) which produces image of differences. Will not work >> on MacOSX because it uses srcXOR ink :-). I imagine more variations and >> combinations are possible also using bitXOR to process imagedata in a >> loop. >> >> http://ekoinf.net/revolution/imageDif.rev >> >> > > From coiin at rcn.com Wed Jul 1 10:25:26 2009 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:25:26 -0400 Subject: right-click on Mac? In-Reply-To: <8D964EAC-7040-479F-AABE-46ED49DA9A3F@mac.com> References: <1e91b2b70906271843o54e9b067rd9f88d21b97567d1@mail.gmail.com> <4A47D8C3.2070301@gmail.com> <8D964EAC-7040-479F-AABE-46ED49DA9A3F@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > The Apple Mighty Mouse both wired and wireless supports left and > right clicking. It also does mousewheel and third button clicks. From shari at gypsyware.com Wed Jul 1 10:54:58 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:54:58 -0400 Subject: Creepy Message-ID: I've been playing hookie for awhile, Richard Gaskin, yes I did answer you, did you receive? Here's what's creepy. I'm attempting to create a Facebook account (yes, this is revelant to the forum...) because someone turned me onto a really cool marketing thing you can do with it. I'm not set up fully yet but there's this long list of potential friends. Add Friends, with names and pictures. At first I thought it was like MySpace, Tom etc. some bunches of folks that look for newbies. Then I realized that some of the names were familiar. David Bovill, for example. David Bovill pops up as a potential friend, someone I might know. How does it know that? How the heck does it know that? How does it know about you guys? I haven't put any info in except my name and birthdate. Nothing else. I was thinking maybe it does an internet search of forums I'm in or something. Then I see that it lists folks I've sold software to. My customer list. Say whaaat? As I type this I'm thinking that somehow it's seeing my saved emails. That's the only explanation for it. That's scary. Big Brother. I can see Big Brother wanting a piece of it. Geez Louise! I'm waffling. I really want access to this cool marketing tool. But lordy! Read an article in Wired magazine just the other day about the war between Facebook and Google for internet dominance, and how Facebook might win. I believe it! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From coiin at rcn.com Wed Jul 1 11:02:44 2009 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:02:44 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Shari wrote: > David Bovill, for example. David Bovill pops up as a potential > friend, someone I might know. > > How does it know that? Click on the name link, and you'll see a page of info, which will include a list of mutual friends. I think the system sees that you both have the same friends, and so maybe you know each other. You can also search for any name. Like now, I tried Craig Newman, and the first in the list looked like him, but I could click on his name and see that we had a mutual friend. So now I'm sure it's him, and so I've sent a Friend invite. He'll be no doubt confused by that... From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Jul 1 11:10:50 2009 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions In-Reply-To: <50E7CFFB-5459-4669-8C73-B540C3BBDD1F@jhj.com> References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <8F2816BB-D271-471E-BFA2-8FF3B91BFE81@gmail.com> <50E7CFFB-5459-4669-8C73-B540C3BBDD1F@jhj.com> Message-ID: <24291519.post@talk.nabble.com> Jerry, you get quite a speed increase by changing the first line of your handler to private command pixDive pStart, pEnd -- WARNING: RECURSION instead of on pixDive pStart, pEnd -- WARNING: RECURSION Revolution introduced the private command and private function in version 2.8.1 If you are on a version => 2.8.1 give it a try. The private command, according to the documentation, stays local, reducing overhead of the message path. regards Bernd Jerry J wrote: > > Here's a different approach - a recursive algorithm that is very > compact...- its very heavy on handler calls .... -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inefficient-code-tp24226458p24291519.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sims at ezpzapps.com Wed Jul 1 11:11:47 2009 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:11:47 +0200 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77D4FC53-2DFA-437E-BEC7-690B210B5165@ezpzapps.com> On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Click on the name link, and you'll see a page of info, which will > include a list of mutual friends. I think the system sees that you > both have the same friends, and so maybe you know each other. > > You can also search for any name. Like now, I tried Craig Newman, > and the first in the list looked like him, but I could click on his > name and see that we had a mutual friend. So now I'm sure it's him, > and so I've sent a Friend invite. He'll be no doubt confused by > that... Hmmm... I typed in Colin Holgate and I see two guys - one is wearing white/pink bunny ears. Colin, we gotta talk about this behavior of yours :-P sims From coiin at rcn.com Wed Jul 1 11:14:36 2009 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:14:36 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <77D4FC53-2DFA-437E-BEC7-690B210B5165@ezpzapps.com> References: <77D4FC53-2DFA-437E-BEC7-690B210B5165@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Jim Sims wrote: > Hmmm... I typed in Colin Holgate and I see two guys - one is > wearing white/pink bunny ears. Colin, we gotta talk about this > behavior of yours :-P There are four matches, I'm the top one, not the Liverpool fan or the bunny ears guy. Or the one from Sheffield. The image is my XBox 360 Avatar. From jo at runrev.com Wed Jul 1 11:16:53 2009 From: jo at runrev.com (Jo Hernandez) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:16:53 +0100 Subject: Staying in Edinburgh In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10906231236w81f8e05gb8b5f5789f393719@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a10906231236w81f8e05gb8b5f5789f393719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42B7CF1D59F745BC916DF82224010ADE@MOYA> Hello Andre & All! Its' not very often I post anything, but this is to advise on Accommodation etc whilst visiting us in Edinburgh / Scotland & during revLive 2009. If you are needing assistance with your reservations / transfers or need general travel info, please do not hesitate to contact me. As many know I am wealth of boring practical advice when it comes to such matters as travel. Please do not hesitate to email me ~ Jo at runrev.com and I shall see whom / what I know :) Andre - PLEASE can you email me? I think my emails to you are becoming lost en route? Thank you & Regards, Jo -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andre Garzia Sent: 23 June 2009 20:36 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Staying in Edinburgh Hello Folks, The time is drawing near for RunRevLive 2009. For those that live as far away as I do (both geographically and economically speaking), two months is near enough so that we need to start thinking about plane tickets, lodging and the like. The GBP to BRL (Brazilian Reals, the cutest currency ever, it comes in many flavours, I mean colors) is 1 GBP = 3.2 BRL, which is better than I though but still as expensive as it can be. The minimum wage here is 465 BRL a month, so you see what I mean by expensive travels. Since I am already spending a buckload of money in plane tickets to europe, I rather stay a long time than a short one, so I am thinking about trying to catch some of Edinburgh Festival and maybe stay for august. So I am deciding where will I stay. With hotels such as travelodge starting at GBP 89, staying for a month would require me to leave my liver and some other good body parts at the cashier. I am considering staying in a Hostel, there are hostels starting at GBP 9 per night, so that might be the key for my month in scotland. Anyone here decided where they will be staying? Any pointer or reference? I am considering this place http://www.smartcityhostels.com/ it is not too far from Dynamic Earth. Also if anyone is arriving early and want to get drunk, I mean, share good cross cultural moments over unspecified beverages, we should talk! :D In a final remark, what about the kilts? Andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From shari at gypsyware.com Wed Jul 1 11:17:46 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:17:46 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Click on the name link, and you'll see a page of info, which will >include a list of mutual friends. I think the system sees that you >both have the same friends, and so maybe you know each other. > >You can also search for any name. Like now, I tried Craig Newman, >and the first in the list looked like him, but I could click on his >name and see that we had a mutual friend. So now I'm sure it's him, >and so I've sent a Friend invite. He'll be no doubt confused by >that... I don't have any friends yet. I've not gotten that far. I've not entered any info, schools, groups, anything. Yet it has this list of folks that I really do know or have communicated with in the past. Seriously creepy. Yet apparently socially acceptable. Big Brother must be loving this! (Slinks into my bunker peering out unto the world with a periscope...) I mean it's really cool in one way to be able to find folks that easily. But... wow! I'm assuming that there's a long, long list past the first list and all of you are on it. Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl Wed Jul 1 11:41:50 2009 From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:41:50 +0200 Subject: moving domain to on-rev In-Reply-To: References: <049E3CCE-1431-4EA9-B62B-E920B1DF8967@fiberworld.nl> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply Bill, I have now created a subdomain cc-imaginering, which is working. I will now ask my isp to try again to change the nameservers, hoping it will work this time. I have one more question though. Now there is no .com or, .nl in my case, for the subdomains site folder. Do I have to change this for the add on domain, or does the name for the site folder just stay cc-imaginering. Best wishes, Claudi From dunbarx at aol.com Wed Jul 1 12:02:39 2009 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:02:39 +0000 Subject: Creepy Message-ID: <328387088-1246464249-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1306382257-@bxe1193.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Who's Colin? ------Original Message------ From: Colin Holgate Sender: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com To: How to use Revolution ReplyTo: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Creepy Sent: Jul 1, 2009 11:02 AM On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Shari wrote: > David Bovill, for example. David Bovill pops up as a potential > friend, someone I might know. > > How does it know that? Click on the name link, and you'll see a page of info, which will include a list of mutual friends. I think the system sees that you both have the same friends, and so maybe you know each other. You can also search for any name. Like now, I tried Craig Newman, and the first in the list looked like him, but I could click on his name and see that we had a mutual friend. So now I'm sure it's him, and so I've sent a Friend invite. He'll be no doubt confused by that... _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jul 1 12:09:24 2009 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:09:24 -0700 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83771643734.20090701090924@ahsoftware.net> Shari- I believe Facebook by default uses your computer's address book. Anyone in your address book who already has a FB account comes up as a match and is a potential friend, anyone who doesn't already have an account is a target for an invitation. It's clever technology and invasive and annoying. This has come up before when listservs get spammed inadvertently when new users setting up FB accounts select the default settings and invitations are sent to everyone in their address books. It's why I stay far, far away from Facebook. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Jul 1 12:39:35 2009 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:39:35 +0200 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Shari, > I've been playing hookie for awhile, ... thanks to: I learned a new and obviously VERY amercian word today :-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From randall at randallreetz.com Wed Jul 1 12:43:06 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:43:06 -0700 Subject: Creepy Message-ID: <20090701164307.SWDW29288.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Isnt it just a little ironic that you want to use facebook to spam people you know, but you find something creepy about facebook doing the same thing to you? -----Original Message----- From: "Shari" To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 7:54 AM Subject: Creepy I've been playing hookie for awhile, Richard Gaskin, yes I did answer you, did you receive? Here's what's creepy. I'm attempting to create a Facebook account (yes, this is revelant to the forum...) because someone turned me onto a really cool marketing thing you can do with it. I'm not set up fully yet but there's this long list of potential friends. Add Friends, with names and pictures. At first I thought it was like MySpace, Tom etc. some bunches of folks that look for newbies. Then I realized that some of the names were familiar. David Bovill, for example. David Bovill pops up as a potential friend, someone I might know. How does it know that? How the heck does it know that? How does it know about you guys? I haven't put any info in except my name and birthdate. Nothing else. I was thinking maybe it does an internet search of forums I'm in or something. Then I see that it lists folks I've sold software to. My customer list. Say whaaat? As I type this I'm thinking that somehow it's seeing my saved emails. That's the only explanation for it. That's scary. Big Brother. I can see Big Brother wanting a piece of it. Geez Louise! I'm waffling. I really want access to this cool marketing tool. But lordy! Read an article in Wired magazine just the other day about the war between Facebook and Google for internet dominance, and how Facebook might win. I believe it! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jeff at siphonophore.com Wed Jul 1 14:09:11 2009 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:09:11 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <20090701170005.D362A48AB32@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090701170005.D362A48AB32@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <24365FC4-CE52-4C1E-A6C0-1CCE3C49001F@siphonophore.com> Sheri, it is using your address book. when i had to get into facebook for some clients work i registered under a nome de plume of buckaroo banzai (not sposta do that but i have never been caught by the facebook cops). unfortunately i screwed up one time in there fiddling with things and my main email address got listed with the account instead of my throw away address is has set it up with. i started getting friends finding me then as they joined even though my real name is not attached at all with the account... I have still found facebook of very little use. i have clients who have followings in the thousands for their causes, but when i ask them if any of their notices, posting, or other broadcasts to these followers have resulted in any major reactions, actions, fund raising, etc, the answer is always a shy 'no'... the auto searching of address books is not good. cheers jeff On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > I believe Facebook by default uses your computer's address book. > Anyone in your address book who already has a FB account comes up as a > match and is a potential friend, anyone who doesn't already have an > account is a target for an invitation. It's clever technology and > invasive and annoying. This has come up before when listservs get > spammed inadvertently when new users setting up FB accounts select the > default settings and invitations are sent to everyone in their address > books. It's why I stay far, far away from Facebook. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Jul 1 14:13:27 2009 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:13:27 -0700 Subject: Creepy Message-ID: <4A4BA747.3090908@fourthworld.com> Shari wrote: > I've been playing hookie for awhile, Richard Gaskin, yes I did answer > you, did you receive? Yes I did, thank you. So nice to see you back here. > Here's what's creepy. I'm attempting to create a Facebook account > (yes, this is revelant to the forum...) because someone turned me > onto a really cool marketing thing you can do with it. > > I'm not set up fully yet but there's this long list of potential > friends. This is even creepier: Mark Wieder wrote: > I believe Facebook by default uses your computer's address book. How does FaceBook obtain this information through the browser? Sounds like a very serious security exposure in browsers. After all, if FaceBook can do it, any site -- and any hacked site -- can do it too. Randall Reetz wrote: > Isnt it just a little ironic that you want to use facebook > to spam people you know, but you find something creepy about > facebook doing the same thing to you? Not all marketing is spam. Personally, I prefer to know the details of someone's marketing efforts before I'll risk labeling them as "spam". Most things on FaceBook require voluntary confirmation to participate. For example, a good many companies have fan sites there, which require that folks explicitly join. Even friend invitations require explicit confirmation from the user. What's at play here appears to be something else: a Carnivore-style data mining to seek connections between people that extends beyond the bounds of the FaceBook system itself. If indeed she'd never entered Rev among her interests in her profile, nor had yet added any friends through which the system might seek connections, this seems to me a bit creepy, and is just one more reason my FaceBook participation is very limited. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com From coiin at rcn.com Wed Jul 1 14:17:34 2009 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:17:34 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <24365FC4-CE52-4C1E-A6C0-1CCE3C49001F@siphonophore.com> References: <20090701170005.D362A48AB32@mail.runrev.com> <24365FC4-CE52-4C1E-A6C0-1CCE3C49001F@siphonophore.com> Message-ID: <2C13DC3B-3ADD-466A-8B0B-04BAA2F54B03@rcn.com> On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: > > I have still found facebook of very little use. You haven't found the Scrabble app then? Seriously though, for professional contacts and the like there are other choices out there, such as LinkedIn. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jul 1 14:21:13 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:21:13 -0700 Subject: moving domain to on-rev In-Reply-To: References: <049E3CCE-1431-4EA9-B62B-E920B1DF8967@fiberworld.nl> Message-ID: You shouldn't have to ask your ISP to change the nameservers. I haven't had to do that for years. Your domain registrar may be, and usually is, a different entity than your ISP. Registrars usually offer a control panel to do such changes, and anyone with an administrative or technical contact authorization can change it. It's dead-dog simple to change. Three items, copy and paste. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Claudi Cornaz > I will now ask my isp to try again to change the nameservers, hoping it > will work this time. > From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jul 1 14:54:32 2009 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:54:32 -0300 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <4A4BA747.3090908@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4BA747.3090908@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10907011154y20e5a392sca1a99f614e1e5df@mail.gmail.com> > Hello Folks, After a quick query on how facebook does its magic/voodoo, I come to the following blurbs: "It looks like what is happening is that you?ve chosen the ?opt-in? suggestion feature on Facebook. You might have blown past the checkbox or maybe not have noticed it signing up but Facebook has a feature that asks if it can scan your email address books (Yahoo, Gmail, etc.) to find friends in your address book that are also on FB, or to make suggestions. Facebook, however, has no access to MySpace. That would be like Target having access to Wal-Mart?s customer lists? by their nature, MS and FB are competitors. So, how did the picture of your friend end up on FB? Either she is on there and you didn?t know, or someone else has her picture up there (a mutual friend?), or you have a picture of her associated with her email and FB ?suggested? that you invite her to join. Also, since the scan-your-address-book-for-friends feature is opt-in on FB, you may want to change your account settings to exclude that option. However, since a scan has already been performed, it may be a bit after the fact. Hope this helps!" and this one: "Sorry for the delay, work has been a bear in the IT world the last two weeks. Ok, to check and see if FB grabbed your email address book (and it does grab the address book associated with the email addy you use to sign up UNLESS you UNCHECK the box. Sneaky, eh?) you want to sign in to your FB account and click on ?Friends? at the top. None of the dropdown choices, just the label ?Friends? next to Profile. The second option down should show what FB is scanning to look people up and suggest folks to invite. Turn it off or opt out? I?m not 100% what it says as I opted out from the get-go. Lemme know if you run into any trouble?" and that means that it does not read your computer address book (javascript can't access that, I think flash can't access that either, if it can, then it's a configurable option, I am sure). What FB appears to be doing is accessing your email account and scraping for your online address book there. Ok, this is also creepy, I am now, officially worried. :-/ > > Mark Wieder wrote: > > I believe Facebook by default uses your computer's address book. > > How does FaceBook obtain this information through the browser? > > Sounds like a very serious security exposure in browsers. ?After all, if FaceBook can do it, any site -- and any hacked site -- can do it too. -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From wjm at wjm.org Wed Jul 1 15:12:22 2009 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:12:22 -0400 Subject: moving domain to on-rev References: <049E3CCE-1431-4EA9-B62B-E920B1DF8967@fiberworld.nl> Message-ID: No, the name of the folder does not have to include the .com suffix. In fact it could be anything at all. "Claudi Cornaz" wrote in message news:E83961A8-510C-4517-A70E-EAD1BEDB7191 at fiberworld.nl... > Thanks for the reply Bill, > > I have now created a subdomain cc-imaginering, which is working. > I will now ask my isp to try again to change the nameservers, hoping it > will work this time. > > I have one more question though. Now there is no .com or, .nl in my case, > for the subdomains site folder. > Do I have to change this for the add on domain, or does the name for the > site folder just stay cc-imaginering. > > Best wishes, > Claudi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Jul 1 15:22:25 2009 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:22:25 -0700 Subject: Creepy Message-ID: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Folks, > After a quick query on how facebook does its magic/voodoo, I come to > the following blurbs: > > "It looks like what is happening is that you?ve chosen the ?opt-in? > suggestion feature on Facebook. You might have blown past the checkbox > or maybe not have noticed it signing up but Facebook has a feature > that asks if it can scan your email address books (Yahoo, Gmail, etc.) > to find friends in your address book that are also on FB, or to make > suggestions. > ... Comforting to know it's not a browser exploit digging into our hard drives, but it raises a question of the security decision-making at Yahoo, gMail, etc.: How can a web site like FaceBook dig into your address book at those other sites without requiring your passwords for those sites? Do Yahoo, Google, etc. just give free access to FaceBook and potentially anyone else willing to pony up whatever those mail companies ask for such access? Weird stuff. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Jul 1 15:31:20 2009 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:31:20 -0500 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <77D4FC53-2DFA-437E-BEC7-690B210B5165@ezpzapps.com> References: <77D4FC53-2DFA-437E-BEC7-690B210B5165@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: <4A4BB988.5070101@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Sims wrote: > Hmmm... I typed in Colin Holgate and I see two guys - one is wearing > white/pink bunny ears. Colin, we gotta talk about this behavior of > yours :-P That's just how he looks... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Jul 1 16:06:24 2009 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:06:24 -0700 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> > Comforting to know it's not a browser exploit digging into > our hard drives, but it raises a question of the security > decision-making at Yahoo, gMail, etc.: > > How can a web site like FaceBook dig into your address book > at those other sites without requiring your passwords for those sites? > > Do Yahoo, Google, etc. just give free access to FaceBook and > potentially anyone else willing to pony up whatever those > mail companies ask for such access? I believe at some point, you are asked if you want to "find your friends" on various e-services. I recall something about this, also other platforms using something similar, like NING. They've all set up sharing APIs that require permission to be granted. Once it sucks in your data though - its in their system and likely not removable. There are more and more "validation" methods being used across apps. If you have a Wordpress based blog for example, there's a plugin that lets you utilize Facebook Connect for validating commenters. It is very easy to set up. You've ceded access control though. I think this all boils down to the problem, esp in the USA, that you do not "own" your own information. Ive met reps from many Web 2.0 type companies that openly tell me that its all about owning the customer information, and giving away use of all sorts of great applications is targeted towards acquiring this information for ongoing exploitation - targeted ads, direct mail marketing and the like. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From jhj at jhj.com Wed Jul 1 16:18:27 2009 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:18:27 -0700 Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions In-Reply-To: <24291519.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com> <8F2816BB-D271-471E-BFA2-8FF3B91BFE81@gmail.com> <50E7CFFB-5459-4669-8C73-B540C3BBDD1F@jhj.com> <24291519.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: WOW! So you do! I didn't know about that one - I learned something good today. I updated the stack, its now at: http://jhj.com/Compare-Jerry3.rev.zip Thanks a bunch, Jerry On Jul 1, 2009, at 8:10 AM, BNig wrote: > Jerry, > you get quite a speed increase by changing the first line of your > handler to > > private command pixDive pStart, pEnd -- WARNING: RECURSION > instead of > on pixDive pStart, pEnd -- WARNING: RECURSION > > Revolution introduced the private command and private function in > version > 2.8.1 > If you are on a version => 2.8.1 give it a try. > The private command, according to the documentation, stays local, > reducing > overhead of the message path. > > regards > Bernd > > > Jerry J wrote: >> >> Here's a different approach - a recursive algorithm that is very >> compact...- its very heavy on handler calls .... > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inefficient-code-tp24226458p24291519.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Jul 1 16:28:14 2009 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:28:14 +0200 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Le 1 juil. 09 ? 22:06, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit : > > I believe at some point, you are asked if you want to "find your > friends" on > various e-services. I recall something about this, also other > platforms > using something similar, like NING. > > They've all set up sharing APIs that require permission to be > granted. Once > it sucks in your data though - its in their system and likely not > removable. > There are more and more "validation" methods being used across apps. > If you > have a Wordpress based blog for example, there's a plugin that lets > you > utilize Facebook Connect for validating commenters. It is very easy > to set > up. You've ceded access control though. > > I think this all boils down to the problem, esp in the USA, that you > do not > "own" your own information. Ive met reps from many Web 2.0 type > companies > that openly tell me that its all about owning the customer > information, and > giving away use of all sorts of great applications is targeted towards > acquiring this information for ongoing exploitation - targeted ads, > direct > mail marketing and the like. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > there are very few "free" things in this world. First time I heard about gmail, I thought of it as a free dose from a drug dealer (not that I am familiar with this kind of people). Every time somebody writes something on this list, it's indexed by google. It may be a good thing, provided you protect what's valuable to you. Sometimes I think of internet as a huge orgy of information, with little protection. 1.5 cent. Fran?ois From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Jul 1 16:44:29 2009 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:44:29 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shari, Could it be from your email address? I searched it online and got about 398 results and a bunch are from list serves etc. Data mining ???? Tom Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Jul 1, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Shari wrote: >> Click on the name link, and you'll see a page of info, which will >> include a list of mutual friends. I think the system sees that you >> both have the same friends, and so maybe you know each other. >> >> You can also search for any name. Like now, I tried Craig Newman, >> and the first in the list looked like him, but I could click on his >> name and see that we had a mutual friend. So now I'm sure it's him, >> and so I've sent a Friend invite. He'll be no doubt confused by >> that... > > I don't have any friends yet. I've not gotten that far. I've not > entered any info, schools, groups, anything. Yet it has this > list of folks that I really do know or have communicated with in the > past. > > Seriously creepy. Yet apparently socially acceptable. Big Brother > must be loving this! (Slinks into my bunker peering out unto the > world with a periscope...) > > I mean it's really cool in one way to be able to find folks that > easily. But... wow! > > I'm assuming that there's a long, long list past the first list and > all of you are on it. > > Shari > -- > Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts > http://www.gityasome.com > WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware > http://www.gypsyware.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Wed Jul 1 17:02:11 2009 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:02:11 -0700 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Couldn't this be accounted for by the idea that your email address is in OTHER people's address books that have willingly shared them using the Friend Finder tool in Facebook? We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... FWIW. Brian From alex at tweedly.net Wed Jul 1 17:02:39 2009 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:02:39 +0100 Subject: Staying in Edinburgh In-Reply-To: <42B7CF1D59F745BC916DF82224010ADE@MOYA> References: <7c87a2a10906231236w81f8e05gb8b5f5789f393719@mail.gmail.com> <42B7CF1D59F745BC916DF82224010ADE@MOYA> Message-ID: <4A4BCEEF.4040900@tweedly.net> Jo Hernandez wrote: > Hello Andre & All! > > Andre - PLEASE can you email me? I think my emails to you are becoming lost > en route? > Hmmmm - I had the same thought. Andre - did you get a personal email from me last week ? If not, please let me know and I'll re-send. If you did - are you interested ?? -- Alex. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Jul 1 17:34:19 2009 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:34:19 -0300 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10907011434p70071768pef3ad0cbd667e8a2@mail.gmail.com> \o/ We Got A Winner!!!! :D That Brian is a very good insight and makes everything even creepier! On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > Couldn't this be accounted for by the idea that your email address is in > OTHER people's address books that have willingly shared them using the > Friend Finder tool in Facebook? > > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your > address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that > have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while > you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably > has... > > FWIW. > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From generic.email.30022 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:53:56 2009 From: generic.email.30022 at gmail.com (Generic Email) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:53:56 -0500 Subject: Inefficient code - Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <24255723.post@talk.nabble.com><8F2816BB-D271-471E-BFA2-8FF3B91BFE81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33D520A1-326A-4154-B25A-D35838439DB6@gmail.com> When I run your tests, I get this: Bill > 1150 pixels changed, 7 milliseconds for 0 tests I am assuming the 0 tests is just a dropped counter somewhere. On Jun 30, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > http://bill.on-rev.com/linked/Compare2.zip From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Jul 1 18:14:12 2009 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:14:12 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com><9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <557595A360044C2E819A22B285CB14B4@GATEWAY> > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging > into your address book, when it could just be finding you in > reverse from people that have already shared. This would > actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share > your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From randall at randallreetz.com Wed Jul 1 19:49:44 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:49:44 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them in a private school specifically to gain access to the "right" group of potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their "friends". Everyone wants the "networking" advantages afforded by a company that mines personal data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the nessisary "wizard of oz" is revealed to be just what our greed demands of him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. "Hey, everyone is driving drunk!", becomes, "If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is there a beer tap right here on the dash board?" -----Original Message----- From: "Lynn Fredricks" To: "'How to use Revolution'" Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM Subject: Creepy 2020 > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging > into your address book, when it could just be finding you in > reverse from people that have already shared. This would > actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share > your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jul 1 19:53:25 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:53:25 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: And what's your Facebook username? ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and > corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How > many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them > in a private school specifically to gain access to the "right" group of > potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. > Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their "friends". Everyone > wants the "networking" advantages afforded by a company that mines personal > data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their > own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the > nessisary "wizard of oz" is revealed to be just what our greed demands of > him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened > in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. > It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to > institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to > make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software > tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. "Hey, everyone > is driving drunk!", becomes, "If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is > there a beer tap right here on the dash board?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lynn Fredricks" > To: "'How to use Revolution'" > Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM > Subject: Creepy 2020 > > > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging > > into your address book, when it could just be finding you in > > reverse from people that have already shared. This would > > actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share > > your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... > > This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways > Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a > few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse > Digger > and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of > our private information :-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jul 1 19:53:51 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:53:51 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I was joking ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 stephen barncard > And what's your Facebook username? > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://barncard.com > > > 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz > > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and >> corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How >> many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them >> in a private school specifically to gain access to the "right" group of >> potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. >> Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their "friends". Everyone >> wants the "networking" advantages afforded by a company that mines personal >> data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their >> own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the >> nessisary "wizard of oz" is revealed to be just what our greed demands of >> him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened >> in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. >> It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to >> institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to >> make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software >> tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. "Hey, everyone >> is driving drunk!", becomes, "If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is >> there a beer tap right here on the dash board?" >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Lynn Fredricks" >> To: "'How to use Revolution'" >> Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM >> Subject: Creepy 2020 >> >> > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging >> > into your address book, when it could just be finding you in >> > reverse from people that have already shared. This would >> > actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share >> > your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... >> >> This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways >> Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a >> few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse >> Digger >> and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of >> our private information :-) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Lynn Fredricks >> President >> Paradigma Software >> http://www.paradigmasoft.com >> >> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 21:10:52 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:10:52 +1000 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Sarah, to get the size of what will be returned by a "get url", you need to > issue an HTTP HEAD request, which will return the http headers that would be > returned from a GET request, but without the actual content. Something like > this in a button script: > snip > > Sometimes this seems to take quite a few seconds, and I don't know why (I > think libUrl doesn't like non-GET/POST requests), but if you have curl > available, you can do this: > > get shell("curl -s -I " && quote & tUrl & quote) -- that '-I' ?is an > uppercase 'I' for India > which will give you the same thing, without any delay. Thanks very much for this Mark. I tried the UrlHead method first, but got only "Bad request". It worked fine for your html page, but trying on a php page or on an image file gave the bad request, although I can't tell if this is server-dependent, or related to the file types. I have tested Dave Cragg's suggested modifications and they made no difference. The curl method works beautifully on my Mac, but is curl available on Windows computers? However I have now realised that Wikipedia includes the image file size in it's web page, so I can search for it there before downloading - it just isn't as slick as it relies on their formating no changing. If anyone has any further suggestions, I would love to try them. Cheers, Sarah From randall at randallreetz.com Wed Jul 1 21:22:37 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:22:37 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> And yes i have a SpaceBook account. Some kids set up my account for me at a cafe. Same goes for MyFace. Have logged in at most twenty times... trying to figure it all out and to figure out why it is so intoxicating to so many people. I guess if you arent social networking you are actually "working". That's one answer. I should start a quantum social network where you "tweet" but are limited to one bit! "0" -----Original Message----- From: "stephen barncard" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 7/1/2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 And what's your Facebook username? ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and > corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How > many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them > in a private school specifically to gain access to the "right" group of > potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. > Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their "friends". Everyone > wants the "networking" advantages afforded by a company that mines personal > data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their > own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the > nessisary "wizard of oz" is revealed to be just what our greed demands of > him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened > in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. > It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to > institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to > make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software > tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. "Hey, everyone > is driving drunk!", becomes, "If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is > there a beer tap right here on the dash board?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Lynn Fredricks" > To: "'How to use Revolution'" > Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM > Subject: Creepy 2020 > > > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging > > into your address book, when it could just be finding you in > > reverse from people that have already shared. This would > > actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share > > your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... > > This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways > Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a > few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse > Digger > and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of > our private information :-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > [truncated by sender] From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Jul 1 22:07:32 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:07:32 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: It all depends what one puts into it. I've reconnected with a staff of characters from my former workplace and realized that job was one of the best times (and the worst times too) of my life. I had shot many videos and photos - which I was saving for my online bio - and used the excellent gallery and video upload tools at Facebook. Hey it's Facebook's hard drive and their bandwidth, why not. And the group liked it very much and wanted more. We may have a reunion in a few months. I didn't know for what purpose exactly I shot the video, but it all survived and found a place there ( and not you tube). The comments that come back are worth it. And since most of the 'friends' have some kind of connection to one's own reality, the system works pretty well. I haven't seen any hecklers where I hang out. A lot of attitude but it's friendly so far. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz > And yes i have a SpaceBook account. Some kids set up my account for me at > a cafe. Same goes for MyFace. Have logged in at most twenty times... > trying to figure it all out and to figure out why it is so intoxicating to > so many people. I guess if you arent social networking you are actually > "working". That's one answer. I should start a quantum social network where > you "tweet" but are limited to one bit! "0" > > -----Original Message----- > From: "stephen barncard" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 7/1/2009 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 > > And what's your Facebook username? > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://barncard.com > > > 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz > > > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and > > corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How > > many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll > them > > in a private school specifically to gain access to the "right" group of > > potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same > demand. > > Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their "friends". Everyone > > wants the "networking" advantages afforded by a company that mines > personal > > data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to > their > > own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the > > nessisary "wizard of oz" is revealed to be just what our greed demands of > > him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have > listened > > in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not > required. > > It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to > > institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and > to > > make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software > > tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. "Hey, > everyone > > is driving drunk!", becomes, "If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is > > there a beer tap right here on the dash board?" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Lynn Fredricks" > > To: "'How to use Revolution'" > > Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM > > Subject: Creepy 2020 > > > > > We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging > > > into your address book, when it could just be finding you in > > > reverse from people that have already shared. This would > > > actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share > > > your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... > > > > This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways > > Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in > a > > few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse > > Digger > > and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of > > our private information :-) > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Fredricks > > President > > Paradigma Software > > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > [truncated by sender] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 22:52:05 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:52:05 +0800 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > I think this all boils down to the problem, esp in the USA, that you do not > "own" your own information. Yes, it's quite surprising how few people knew that FaceBook changed their Terms of Conditions recently to handover ALL content on FaceBook to them, to use and 'rent' (loose term for make monetary gain out or your content) as they saw fit, FOREVER! http://www.javno.com/en-lifestyle/facebook-has-rights-to-your-pictures-forever_235012 It use to be that they could only do such whilst you held an open account. Again, it's amazing how few people were aware that at least some people saw this as inappropriate and kicked up enough stink to have the changes revoked, ie they were completely unaware that their ToCs had changed twice in the span of a couple of months. This isn't creepy, it's more an indication of how few people on the planet actual read the ENTIRE Terms of Conditions they agreed to because if they did, these words might make them think twice: to use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose Not a FaceBook user :-| From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 00:47:59 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:47:59 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10907011154y20e5a392sca1a99f614e1e5df@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4BA747.3090908@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a10907011154y20e5a392sca1a99f614e1e5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not finding this option. Not seeing anywhere to opt in or out. Pretty sure I would have seen a checkbox and not checked it, though, or unchecked it or whatever. Under Friends, there are several options to help you find your friends. One tells you to give your Email/Password (which I know I didn't do). Another has you uploading your contact file. (Never uploaded anything.) The rest are various search methods. It lists all the friends of my friends, school searches, IM searches, coworker searches. The only ones I've partaken of is my high school (after it found all of you) and friends of friends to find the friends I missed. Invite Friends has an option to Import Email Addresses and lists several common email sources, Hotmail, AOL, Gmail and Yahoo (none of which I use except for gmail, which I've only used to send reg codes to about 5 people when my emails didn't get thru the regular way). I was reading an article in Wired magazine about Facebook and Google being in sort of a war for internet domination. Facebook is doing a pretty good job catching up to Google and has a good chance of bypassing Google, according to the article. Google is my best friend and does a lot of really good things for me. I'd be pretty amiss to ignore the thing that's hot on it's tail. Diddled with MySpace but really didn't see much value there. Facebook, however... as long as I don't post information I don't want made public, seemed like it was worth checking into. But the whole where did it find all those people issue, THAT scares me. But I sure do know a lot of folks who are on it... I mean, it wouldn't have even found the folks if they didn't have Facebook accounts, right? Shari > > >Ok, to check and see if FB grabbed your email address book >(and it does grab the address book associated with the email addy you >use to sign up UNLESS you UNCHECK the box. Sneaky, eh?) you want to >sign in to your FB account and click on "Friends" at the top. None of >the dropdown choices, just the label "Friends" next to Profile. The >second option down should show what FB is scanning to look people up >and suggest folks to invite. Turn it off or opt out- I'm not 100% what >it says as I opted out from the get-go. Lemme know if you run into any >trouble?" > -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 01:01:01 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:01:01 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10907011154y20e5a392sca1a99f614e1e5df@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4BA747.3090908@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a10907011154y20e5a392sca1a99f614e1e5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, the marketing tool that started it all was a virtual thing. I design tshirts and apparently people do these virtual gift giving things. Sort of like sending eCards and virtual flowers, now they are sending virtual gifts of all sorts. You can allow your tshirts and things to be given as virtual gifts. That's the thing I wanted access to. A fellow in one of my tshirt forums said he had 1200 people currently giving his virtual tshirts out. And of course there is a link to his actual tshirt site... so he has a page on Facebook dedicated to his tshirts which are all one genre, and a fan wall, etc. where people of that genre can hang out. You input different tshirts into it, and people try to collect them all, so the theory goes. And THAT, my friends, is what got me interested in checking into Facebook. Software has places like Download.com where you can list it. Tshirts are a bit more challenging, beyond having a web page. -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 01:26:13 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:26:13 -0400 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I listed myself on Reunion.com eons ago, hoping to see all my old schoomates doing the same. They were starting to. Then the site changed not only their name, but the whole class listing thing, and became user unfriendly. Facebook seems to be doing the thing they used to do, where you can see your classmates not only for your year, but years before and after, because obviously not all your friends were in your class. Kinda cool, yes. I only wish they let you do grade schools and junior highs, too. Now THAT would be really cool! I'm not a big social networker but yes, some socializing is cool. I just reconnected with an old friend from my Macintosh Users Group that I'm no longer a member of. If I was a high school kid and all my friends were on Facebook, and we were all connected, yes it would be very very heady! The wall being your yearbook... very heady indeedy. I keep getting emails from Reunion.com trying to entice me back. One fellow keeps looking me up. The ex-husband of a good friend, they had an ugly divorce. Now why oh why does he keep looking at my profile there? Surely he knows I know how badly they ended? Unless he wants to tell his side... (crazy people) Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 01:34:01 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:34:01 +0100 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: <4A4BA747.3090908@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a10907011154y20e5a392sca1a99f614e1e5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not being on facebook, linked-in, myspace, etc. I decided to sign up to the former and see what happens. I signed up with a brand new email address (I often use site-specific email addresses). In step 2 of the signup process they ask for one's email address and the password to access that. I'm assuming they are expecting all/most people to be using webmail. One can however 'skip this step' (in a very small font). I skipped every step. By the time the signup was complete, facebook told me I had 0 friends. When I did a search for various friends and relatives, it only found less than 1/3rd that I could recognize, and I only recognized them because they had photos up or because they included something in their summary personal info that identified them (university/small home town). Searching by former school/university was more successful, although I would say that only about 5% of my classmates are on facebook. I spent time at multiple universities, and searching for people I recognized there was too tiresome to continue. But fundamentally, I wouldn't say the thing was creepy. It seems most people I know are avoiding facebook, or if they are on there they've suitablly restricted the information they publicly expose. My guess is that the creepiness arises from allowing facebook to look through one's email account and/or using the same email address on facebook that one uses everywhere else. Bernard On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Shari wrote: > Not finding this option. ?Not seeing anywhere to opt in or out. ?Pretty sure > I would have seen a checkbox and not checked it, though, or unchecked it or > whatever. > > Under Friends, there are several options to help you find your friends. ?One > tells you to give your Email/Password (which I know I didn't do). Another > has you uploading your contact file. (Never uploaded anything.) ?The rest > are various search methods. ?It lists all the friends of my friends, school > searches, IM searches, coworker searches. ?The only ones I've partaken of is > my high school (after it found all of you) and friends of friends to find > the friends I missed. > > Invite Friends has an option to Import Email Addresses and lists several > common email sources, Hotmail, AOL, Gmail and Yahoo (none of which I use > except for gmail, which I've only used to send reg codes to about 5 people > when my emails didn't get thru the regular way). > > I was reading an article in Wired magazine about Facebook and Google being > in sort of a war for internet domination. ?Facebook is doing a pretty good > job catching up to Google and has a good chance of bypassing Google, > according to the article. ?Google is my best friend and does a lot of really > good things for me. ?I'd be pretty amiss to ignore the thing that's hot on > it's tail. ?Diddled with MySpace but really didn't see much value there. > ?Facebook, however... as long as I don't post information I don't want made > public, seemed like it was worth checking into. > > But the whole where did it find all those people issue, THAT scares me. ?But > I sure do know a lot of folks who are on it... I mean, it wouldn't have even > found the folks if they didn't have Facebook accounts, right? > > Shari > > > >> ?> >> Ok, to check and see if FB grabbed your email address book >> (and it does grab the address book associated with the email addy you >> use to sign up UNLESS you UNCHECK the box. Sneaky, eh?) you want to >> sign in to your FB account and click on "Friends" at the top. None of >> the dropdown choices, just the label "Friends" next to Profile. The >> second option down should show what FB is scanning to look people up >> and suggest folks to invite. Turn it off or opt out- I'm not 100% what >> it says as I opted out from the get-go. Lemme know if you run into any >> trouble?" >> > > > -- > ?Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts > ?http://www.gityasome.com > ?WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware > ?http://www.gypsyware.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Jul 2 02:24:59 2009 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:24:59 -0400 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <6C64A4E7-8F0A-46B9-A86D-50AC7FBE4410@mac.com> Ping Pong!!! I LOVE PING PONG P >>>>>>>>>>>> * <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< P Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Shari wrote: > I listed myself on Reunion.com eons ago, hoping to see all my old > schoomates doing the same. They were starting to. Then the site > changed not only their name, but the whole class listing thing, and > became user unfriendly. Facebook seems to be doing the thing they > used to do, where you can see your classmates not only for your > year, but years before and after, because obviously not all your > friends were in your class. Kinda cool, yes. I only wish they let > you do grade schools and junior highs, too. Now THAT would be > really cool! I'm not a big social networker but yes, some > socializing is cool. I just reconnected with an old friend from my > Macintosh Users Group that I'm no longer a member of. If I was a > high school kid and all my friends were on Facebook, and we were all > connected, yes it would be very very heady! The wall being your > yearbook... very heady indeedy. > > I keep getting emails from Reunion.com trying to entice me back. > One fellow keeps looking me up. The ex-husband of a good friend, > they had an ugly divorce. Now why oh why does he keep looking at my > profile there? Surely he knows I know how badly they ended? Unless > he wants to tell his side... (crazy people) > > Shari > -- > Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts > http://www.gityasome.com > WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware > http://www.gypsyware.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jul 2 03:20:28 2009 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Printing Help? In-Reply-To: References: <4A499277.1050409@hyperactivesw.com> <24268178.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <24302374.post@talk.nabble.com> Eric, you are right. This is really very strange, and Rev should do something about this. It needs to be either verified and fixed, or else marked as non-reproducible. Its very basic functionality. ?ric Miclo wrote: > > > It seems that Linux (as well as text field or correcting some > longstanding bugs) is not a priority. > Example: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7017 is > still in an unconfirmed state since 2008-08-24. > I would be very glad if I was wrong and see something new soon. > > Best, > > ?rIC > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Printing-Help--tp24263122p24302374.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rev at splash21.com Thu Jul 2 05:15:55 2009 From: rev at splash21.com (splash21) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:15:55 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Game update In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70906300550h759b0262r89d27ab982ff6d16@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A47E9DA.2060708@splash21.com> <24261917.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A49D6B4.6040203@splash21.com> <1e91b2b70906300550h759b0262r89d27ab982ff6d16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4C7ACB.70803@splash21.com> Thanks, Nicolas. I'm not sure where I read about 'clone invisible' - I don't see it in the docs anywhere! Hopefully the website will give ideas and examples for anyone wanting to use irev for upcoming projects. Graphic designer? LOL - usually when people see my Gimp offerings they realise that I'm NOT a designer! :) Nicolas Cueto wrote: > John, > > Tried to run your game on Rev 2.9 > but got an error. > > Found the problem, though. In > the game card script, I modified > the two "clone" lines thus: > > > -- clone invisible grp tObject of card "game" > clone grp tObject of card "game" > ... > -- clone invisible grc "grcPath" > clone grc "grcPath" of card "game" > > > Maybe "clone invisible" is not > supported by 2.9? > > > Anyway. Cute little game. Specially > the look of it. > > And thank you too for making available > every irev script on your website -- the > design of which is charming, specially > the penguin. I guess you're a graphic > designer? > > Cheers, > > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl Thu Jul 2 05:34:19 2009 From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:34:19 +0200 Subject: moving domain to on-rev In-Reply-To: References: <049E3CCE-1431-4EA9-B62B-E920B1DF8967@fiberworld.nl> Message-ID: <757ECE9E-5355-42E8-998C-21D553CC9E18@fiberworld.nl> Hi Stephen, My mistake I didn't mean my ISP but my registar of course. They should change the nameservers . There is a controlpanel but since cuurently they also host the site and unfortunatly I can't change the nameservers. Best wishes, Claudi On 1 jul 2009, at 20:21, stephen barncard wrote: > You shouldn't have to ask your ISP to change the nameservers. I > haven't had > to do that for years. Your domain registrar may be, and usually is, a > different entity than your ISP. > Registrars usually offer a control panel to do such changes, and > anyone with > an administrative or technical contact authorization can change it. > It's > dead-dog simple to change. Three items, copy and paste. > > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > http://barncard.com > > > 2009/7/1 Claudi Cornaz > >> I will now ask my isp to try again to change the nameservers, >> hoping it >> will work this time. >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Jul 2 05:45:47 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:45:47 +0100 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <0A3ED13F-7189-494E-964C-3A78E1994D55@anachreon.co.uk> On 1 Jul 2009, at 21:28, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > > Every time somebody writes something on this list, it's indexed by > google. It may be a good thing, provided you protect what's > valuable to you. Sometimes I think of internet as a huge orgy of > information, with little protection. > You can read soooo much into that last sentence. Classic. That's a keeper! Cheers, Luis. From lists at futilism.com Thu Jul 2 05:51:17 2009 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:51:17 +0100 Subject: Rev cannot open my jpeg ! - and some serious thinking In-Reply-To: References: <1j20u50.12whldk6fziouM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <608808C5-B7F4-420E-809F-48E9B18E0DE7@futilism.com> Sarah, curl is certainly available for windows, but AFAIK is not part of the standard installation - it can be found here: http://curl.haxx.se/download.html Best, Mark On 2 Jul 2009, at 02:10, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > The curl method works beautifully on my Mac, but is curl available on > Windows computers? From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu Jul 2 06:45:57 2009 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:45:57 +0200 Subject: Rev user who is also a FileMaker Pro developer Message-ID: <145AFBE8-4C03-446F-900C-0AC87E21C6FD@ezpzapps.com> I'm looking for a Rev user who is also a FileMaker Pro developer, one who currently makes FM Pro 'stuff' for clients on a regular (or somewhat irregular) basis. I don't have a client for you but want some general information if you have a few minutes. Thanks sims From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 09:59:53 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:59:53 -0400 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: <0A3ED13F-7189-494E-964C-3A78E1994D55@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> <0A3ED13F-7189-494E-964C-3A78E1994D55@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: >You can read soooo much into that last sentence. Classic. That's a keeper! > >Cheers, > >Luis. I think therein lies the key. Protecting what's valuable. Because I have an online business, several actually, my email is widespread. I don't use different emails for different things because that became too confusing. I know a lot of folks do, though. I rely on my Procmail filters heavily to weed out the incoming junk. And my host helps, too. I always try to remember that whatever I post is actually public info. Whether it be here, Facebook, mySpace, my web pages, Google groups, wherever. People have gotten fired from jobs over stuff they posted online. I've seen people post things where it was "what were you thinking"? Usually young folks on mySpace, LOL! Another thing, I never click on email attachments unless I'm specifically expecting something, like a screenshot or photos from a friend. I don't even open forwards, no matter who sends them. All the cutsie things, dancing chipmunks, whatever it is people send each other to, I don't do it. I know most of the folks sending them to me are not very knowledgeble about using protection and get a lot of diseases. You try to tell them but... Yup, the internet needs a dispenser on the wall where people can hit a button and get their protections. It's an epidemic! :D Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 10:08:54 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:08:54 -0400 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <6C64A4E7-8F0A-46B9-A86D-50AC7FBE4410@mac.com> References: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <6C64A4E7-8F0A-46B9-A86D-50AC7FBE4410@mac.com> Message-ID: >Ping Pong!!! I LOVE PING PONG >P >>>>>>>>>>>> * <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< P I've got a fan! Woo hoo! And a face to go with the name :-) Now how did he find me? Dunno. I musta shown up on his potential buddy list since many of you are on mine. If anybody's looking you'll find me under Coxford. Now I dare you to find a friend whose last name is Smith or Johnson. All you can do is hope they look for you someday... -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Jul 2 10:23:19 2009 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:23:19 -0400 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <6C64A4E7-8F0A-46B9-A86D-50AC7FBE4410@mac.com> Message-ID: Actually, I went through all of your different businesses and searched on them until I found your full name on one and searched that in FB. Nice trail through shareware, t-shirts, other t-shirts, still other t- shirts etc. until the Pong fan page. [OT] I also sell t-shirts online and write applications. Is this a coincidence??? I also have multiple online businesses. Hmmm... My latest is providing dedicated portals to online businesses as an application on the iPhone. I have just finished teaching myself how to write the iPhone apps and am researching best practices for optimal web views. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Shari wrote: >> Ping Pong!!! I LOVE PING PONG >> P >>>>>>>>>>>> * <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< P > > I've got a fan! Woo hoo! And a face to go with the name :-) Now > how did he find me? Dunno. I musta shown up on his potential buddy > list since many of you are on mine. If anybody's looking you'll > find me under Coxford. Now I dare you to find a friend whose last > name is Smith or Johnson. All you can do is hope they look for you > someday... > > > -- > Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts > http://www.gityasome.com > WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware > http://www.gypsyware.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Jul 2 12:26:14 2009 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:26:14 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Game update In-Reply-To: <4A4C7ACB.70803@splash21.com> References: <4A47E9DA.2060708@splash21.com> <24261917.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A49D6B4.6040203@splash21.com> <1e91b2b70906300550h759b0262r89d27ab982ff6d16@mail.gmail.com> <4A4C7ACB.70803@splash21.com> Message-ID: On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:15 AM, splash21 wrote: > Thanks, Nicolas. I'm not sure where I read about 'clone invisible' > - I > don't see it in the docs anywhere! Hopefully the website will give > ideas > and examples for anyone wanting to use irev for upcoming projects. If you're using Rev 3.5 you should consider adding a clarifying note to the clone command entry in the Rev Dictionary. :-) Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Jul 2 13:14:03 2009 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:14:03 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <814111FEC3AD46F8A604B02CDE82799F@GATEWAY> > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments > and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in > our selves. I wouldn't lump these two together. But if your point is that corporations are just providing a service that we want, I can see your point. The problem I see is that at least in the United States, for the most part, we don't own our own data. It is also legal, apparently, to attach penalties (or should it be "benefits") to not disclosing data when its for services that have nothing to do with the service. For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben & Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a "rewards card", that Ill be charged significantly more? For purely inventory purposes, they don't really need to know that. As a reseller, they haven't any vested right in the "property" of the product to even ask that - they haven't licensed that pint to me. Now its perhaps good for them to know that this particular store sells through this particular product at rate X - but they do not need to tag me with that information. What combination of "future devices" can be used in the future with this information? How will Safeway, in the future, utilize that information to provide complementary services with its partners? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 13:54:31 2009 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:54:31 +0300 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <814111FEC3AD46F8A604B02CDE82799F@GATEWAY> References: <20090701234945.QPOI18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <814111FEC3AD46F8A604B02CDE82799F@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <4A4CF457.6080602@gmail.com> This is a problem that revolves around 2 highly abstract concepts: 'Rights' and 'Property'; both of which have no reality in the physical sense at all. 'Rights' are even more nebulous than 'Property' so I'll TRY to show what is 'odd' about the concept of property first. For the sake of argument: 1. I own a house in Scotland. How would I ultimately prove that? Well . . . title deeds (which can be faked), the beliefs of my neighbours (notoriously fickle), a rental agreement (on paper) I have with somebody who pays me money to live in the house. Difficult one. 2. I own the coat I am wearing. Really? Begs the question. 3. I own my ideas, ways I behave ['data'], and so on. WHAT do you own? An abstract concept (ownership) applied to a set of abstractions and behaviours resulting from a congeries of abstractions. 'Rights' Consider: I have a right to own a fridge. What on earth does that mean? Either I own a fridge (maybe that constitutes having a fridge inside my house), or I don't. I suppose we could have a piece of paper drawn up by some chaps that states "Every man has the right to ..... " but I really wonder if the chaps who drew up that paper had really thought through what that meant? Lynn Fredricks wrote: > snip > For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought > Ben & Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream > occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by > using a "rewards card", that Ill be charged significantly more? > > snip Now, knowledge is mine only as long as it is locked inside my head; as soon as it is out, "running around wild, in the open" it is as free as a bird. Anybody who sees me buying Haggis at Mogerley's in Dumfries doesn't, surely, have to ask my permission to tell that piece of information to the owner of the Instant Plastic Haggis Factory so he can flood my letter box with multi-coloured pamphlets about how his Haggises are only made from the meat of choicest stray dogs and cats? "If I do not disclose this information by using a "rewards card", that Ill be charged significantly more?" Tough cheese, you live in a market-driven economy - move to a "people's paradise" such as Cuba (or, soon to be Venezuela and Nepal) if you can't hack it. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 14:00:50 2009 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:00:50 +0300 Subject: "R" - Day Message-ID: <4A4CF5D2.7080505@gmail.com> Ouch, my internet was down for about 27 hours, and apart from making the poor, long-suffering technicians (HUMPH) at the ISP cope with my execrable Bulgarian ; I have "been all-of-a-tremble" in case I missed "R - Day"; i.e. the day when the RR 4.0 betas are released. Luckily I didn't miss R - Day. Does anybody "close to the throne" know when R - Day will be. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Jul 2 14:17:14 2009 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:17:14 -0400 Subject: "R" - Day In-Reply-To: <4A4CF5D2.7080505@gmail.com> References: <4A4CF5D2.7080505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <123556EF-21A1-449B-B5ED-64B477196256@mac.com> "There are currently no updates available, please check again soon." with "Finish" Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgrath at comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Ouch, my internet was down for about 27 hours, and apart from > making the poor, long-suffering technicians (HUMPH) at the ISP > cope with my execrable Bulgarian ; I have "been all-of-a-tremble" > in case I missed "R - Day"; i.e. the day when the RR 4.0 betas are > released. > > Luckily I didn't miss R - Day. > > Does anybody "close to the throne" know when R - Day will be. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Jul 2 14:18:25 2009 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:18:25 -0300 Subject: "R" - Day In-Reply-To: <123556EF-21A1-449B-B5ED-64B477196256@mac.com> References: <4A4CF5D2.7080505@gmail.com> <123556EF-21A1-449B-B5ED-64B477196256@mac.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10907021118l4fdff68cj14ec26411d44a9a7@mail.gmail.com> R-Day will be when the stars are right (*) *: cue lovecraft. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > "There are currently no updates available, please check again soon." with > "Finish" > > > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > iTunes Library Suite - libITS > Information and download can be found on this page: > http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Ouch, my internet was down for about 27 hours, and apart from >> making the poor, long-suffering technicians (HUMPH) at the ISP >> cope with my execrable Bulgarian ; I have "been all-of-a-tremble" >> in case I missed "R - Day"; i.e. the day when the RR 4.0 betas are >> released. >> >> Luckily I didn't miss ?R - Day. >> >> Does anybody "close to the throne" know when R - Day will be. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bleiler at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 2 14:24:43 2009 From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:43 -0400 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable Message-ID: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> Hi, The sort command in 3.5 seems to be adding lines to a variable. I have a lot of old code that creates lists using a method like this and I don't believe the problem occurs in earlier versions of rev. Is this a reported bug or am I missing something? To see the error, create a stack with a button, paste the following code into the button and click on the button. On MouseUp Put "Dog" & cr & \ "Cat" & cr into tTemp Put number of lines in tTemp into tPreSortCount sort tTemp Put number of lines in tTemp into tPostSortCount Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& return &\ "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." End MouseUp Tim Bleiler, Ph.D. Instructional Designer, HSIT University at Buffalo Phone: 716-829-3867 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jul 2 14:44:32 2009 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:44:32 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Game update Message-ID: <4A4D0010.3060608@fourthworld.com> splash21 wroteL > I'm not sure where I read about 'clone invisible' - I don't > see it in the docs anywhere! Hopefully the website will give > ideas and examples for anyone wanting to use irev for upcoming > projects. How would the "clone" command come into play with a web project? iRev is a server-side technology. If you're thinking of the browser plug-in, my understanding is that that won't be available until Beta in September. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com From psahores at free.fr Thu Jul 2 14:48:25 2009 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:48:25 +0200 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> References: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: Try this ; Put "Dog" & cr & \ "Cat" & cr into tTemp Put number of lines in word 1 to -1 of tTemp into tPreSortCount sort tTemp Put number of lines in word 1 to -1 of tTemp into tPostSortCount Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& return &\ "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." Hope this help, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com Le 2 juil. 09 ? 20:24, Timothy Bleiler a ?crit : > Hi, > > The sort command in 3.5 seems to be adding lines to a variable. I > have a lot of old code that creates lists using a method like this > and I don't believe the problem occurs in earlier versions of rev. > > Is this a reported bug or am I missing something? > > To see the error, create a stack with a button, paste the following > code into the button and click on the button. > > On MouseUp > Put "Dog" & cr & \ > "Cat" & cr into tTemp > Put number of lines in tTemp into tPreSortCount > sort tTemp > Put number of lines in tTemp into tPostSortCount > Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& > return &\ > "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." > End MouseUp > > > Tim Bleiler, Ph.D. > Instructional Designer, HSIT > University at Buffalo > Phone: 716-829-3867 > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From alex at tweedly.net Thu Jul 2 15:07:55 2009 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:07:55 +0100 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: References: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <4A4D058B.9060206@tweedly.net> Pierre Sahores wrote: > Try this ; > > Put "Dog" & cr & \ > "Cat" & cr into tTemp > Put number of lines in word 1 to -1 of tTemp into tPreSortCount > sort tTemp > Put number of lines in word 1 to -1 of tTemp into tPostSortCount > Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& > return &\ > "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." That gives 2 and 2. But if you remove the "word 1 to -1 of" in each case, to simply use > Put "Dog" & cr & \ > "Cat" & cr into tTemp > Put number of lines in tTemp into tPreSortCount > sort tTemp > Put number of lines in tTemp into tPostSortCount > Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& > return &\ > "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." then you get Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has 2 lines. Post-Sort, variable tTemp has 3 lines. However, if you go back to 3.0, then both versions of the script give you Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has 2 lines. Post-Sort, variable tTemp has 2 lines. So it is certainly a change in the result between 3.5 and earlier versions. I have a very vague feeling I saw something about this (discussion, bug report, ????) but cannot find it again. Could it have been a deliberate change in behaviour - i.e. fixing a previous "bug" ? I'm sorry that I can't remember what it was i saw (or imagined) about this - but I can confirm it is a change in result between the recent versions. (Maybe Pierre was suggesting using "word 1 to -1 of" as a work-around that gives the same result in all versions ? if so, another work-around is to delete the trailing CR before the sort is done) -- Alex. From simplsol at aol.com Thu Jul 2 15:10:26 2009 From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:10:26 -0700 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> References: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <9F51398C-7C1B-41EB-A7B0-FDAD1D745F82@aol.com> I have had the opposite happen. On a large variable, sorting removed lines. Rev 3.0, OS X 10.5 Paul Looney On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Timothy Bleiler wrote: > Hi, > > The sort command in 3.5 seems to be adding lines to a variable. I > have a lot of old code that creates lists using a method like this > and I don't believe the problem occurs in earlier versions of rev. > > Is this a reported bug or am I missing something? > > To see the error, create a stack with a button, paste the following > code into the button and click on the button. > > On MouseUp > Put "Dog" & cr & \ > "Cat" & cr into tTemp > Put number of lines in tTemp into tPreSortCount > sort tTemp > Put number of lines in tTemp into tPostSortCount > Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& > return &\ > "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." > End MouseUp > > > Tim Bleiler, Ph.D. > Instructional Designer, HSIT > University at Buffalo > Phone: 716-829-3867 > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bleiler at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 2 15:12:48 2009 From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:12:48 -0400 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: References: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: Yes, Pierre that form does give a consistent count of the number of lines in the variable. However, the question remains about why the sort command is moving the last cr to the first line which effectively adds a line at the beginning of the variable. If the sort command is treating the last CR as another line, then "number of lines in tTemp" should also and always return 3 in this example. There remains some ambiguity about how the engine treats the final dangling cr after "cat" in this example. If the first line is Put "Dog" & cr & "Cat" into tTemp then the problem doesn't occur. The biggest problem is that this is different behavior from previous versions of Rev. In prior versions, the number of lines in tTemp would always return 2 in the initial example. On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Try this ; > > Put "Dog" & cr & \ > "Cat" & cr into tTemp > Put number of lines in word 1 to -1 of tTemp into tPreSortCount > sort tTemp > Put number of lines in word 1 to -1 of tTemp into tPostSortCount > Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& > return &\ > "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." > > Hope this help, > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > Le 2 juil. 09 ? 20:24, Timothy Bleiler a ?crit : > >> Hi, >> >> The sort command in 3.5 seems to be adding lines to a variable. I >> have a lot of old code that creates lists using a method like this >> and I don't believe the problem occurs in earlier versions of rev. >> >> Is this a reported bug or am I missing something? >> >> To see the error, create a stack with a button, paste the following >> code into the button and click on the button. >> >> On MouseUp >> Put "Dog" & cr & \ >> "Cat" & cr into tTemp >> Put number of lines in tTemp into tPreSortCount >> sort tTemp >> Put number of lines in tTemp into tPostSortCount >> Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& >> return &\ >> "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." >> End MouseUp >> >> >> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D. >> Instructional Designer, HSIT >> University at Buffalo >> Phone: 716-829-3867 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Thu Jul 2 15:46:43 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:46:43 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090702194643.ROLG13268.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> You have a choice. Dont sign up for "special" sales gimmicks. Coupons, and the like dominate our retail world because people are stupid or greedy enough and especially selfish enough to take part and thus demand such false economy systems. Safeway spends hundereds of millions of dollars on these schemes. Who pays that cost?. Those who sign up pay some of that cost, but especially those good people who wont. It is a draconian tax on those who still have a sence of morality and responcibility towards others. If people cared more about the health of the economy than saving 29 cents on a 12 pack of toilet paper, the cost of all goods would come down. Very time we sign up for or make use of a membership program we are saying "i want someone else to pay for my greed", and we are saying that to people with a greater sence of morality and a greater respect for comunity anf the future. Is saving 29 cents worth the moral cost that it represents? If so, we deserve the economic crash and global climate catastrophe. In a global economy we vote more with our puchaces than in the polling booth. Lets all start owning up to the fact that we are buying more than toilet paper each time we go to the checkout register. Maybe 29 cents is a bargain if what you are really buying is social welfair, fairness, trust and respect for your fellow humans, and a much more stable future. -----Original Message----- From: "Lynn Fredricks" To: "'How to use Revolution'" Sent: 7/2/2009 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Creepy 2020 > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments > and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in > our selves. I wouldn't lump these two together. But if your point is that corporations are just providing a service that we want, I can see your point. The problem I see is that at least in the United States, for the most part, we don't own our own data. It is also legal, apparently, to attach penalties (or should it be "benefits") to not disclosing data when its for services that have nothing to do with the service. For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben & Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a "rewards card", that Ill be charged significantly more? For purely inventory purposes, they don't really need to know that. As a reseller, they haven't any vested right in the "property" of the product to even ask that - they haven't licensed that pint to me. Now its perhaps good for them to know that this particular store sells through this particular product at rate X - but they do not need to tag me with that information. What combination of "future devices" can be used in the future with this information? How will Safeway, in the future, utilize that information to provide complementary services with its partners? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bleiler at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 2 15:47:53 2009 From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:47:53 -0400 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <9F51398C-7C1B-41EB-A7B0-FDAD1D745F82@aol.com> References: <8C95A8AF-B64A-4553-A378-AED1E82E080F@buffalo.edu> <9F51398C-7C1B-41EB-A7B0-FDAD1D745F82@aol.com> Message-ID: <31846D45-6F98-41A9-83D2-4A2403E8AC31@buffalo.edu> Thanks Alex. There are a lot of ways to work around the problems caused by this. However, my main concern though is with the inconsistency in the engine regarding the cr in the variable. The engine is inconsistent in its definition of a line for these two lines of code: sort the lines of tTemp put the number of lines in tTemp Sort should never result in changes to the number of lines reported by the engine. Paul, I think I've seen that too in the earlier versions when there is a char on the line after the cr. In that case, the sort command in the simple form moves the empty line to the beginning of the variable. The difference between 3.5 and earlier versions that I've seen now is that a cr with nothing after it is moved to the beginning of the variable, effectively creating a new line. In earlier versions a cr at the end of a variable was left at the end of the variable by the sort command. Tim On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Paul Looney wrote: > I have had the opposite happen. > On a large variable, sorting removed lines. > Rev 3.0, OS X 10.5 > Paul Looney > > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Timothy Bleiler wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The sort command in 3.5 seems to be adding lines to a variable. I >> have a lot of old code that creates lists using a method like this >> and I don't believe the problem occurs in earlier versions of rev. >> >> Is this a reported bug or am I missing something? >> >> To see the error, create a stack with a button, paste the following >> code into the button and click on the button. >> >> On MouseUp >> Put "Dog" & cr & \ >> "Cat" & cr into tTemp >> Put number of lines in tTemp into tPreSortCount >> sort tTemp >> Put number of lines in tTemp into tPostSortCount >> Put "Pre-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPreSortCount && "lines."& >> return &\ >> "Post-Sort, variable tTemp has" && tPostSortCount && "lines." >> End MouseUp >> >> >> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D. >> Instructional Designer, HSIT >> University at Buffalo >> Phone: 716-829-3867 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jul 2 15:52:45 2009 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:52:45 -0700 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable Message-ID: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> Paul Looney wrote: > I have had the opposite happen. > On a large variable, sorting removed lines. > Rev 3.0, OS X 10.5 If memory serves, that was the result of a limitation of the sort command where it could only be used reliably on data in which no single line exceeded 65,535 chars. According to the v3.5 Engine Change Log, that was fixed in v3.5: Unfortunately the current limit is not noted in the docs for the Sort command, nor in that report, so I don't know exactly what it is in the latest version. But 64k of text was a lot for a single line, so whatever it's been raised to should be plenty for most common tasks. Timothy's report of the trailing blank line may be a regression error which had been marked as "fixed" in the 3.5 Engine Change Log: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jul 2 16:02:14 2009 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:02:14 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <4A4D1246.10503@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > You have a choice. Dont sign up for "special" sales gimmicks. Or go ahead and sign up for the Normal Price cards (which the stores mislabel "Customer Rewards cards"), but just don't use any real info. If you apply at the counter they'll hand you the card on the spot; no need for a valid mailing address. While you're at it, it's helpful for privacy advocacy to fill out the application with a completely different demographic profile than yours, so the more people who do this the less useful the database becomes. As these scammers begin to realize they've been scammed, they'll have to return to the fundamental goal of good business: delivering value. Fourth World's Privacy Policy linked to from every page at our site makes our position on these things clear: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com From randall at randallreetz.com Thu Jul 2 16:03:07 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:03:07 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090702200308.UTZW13268.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> You have a choice. Dont sign up for "special" sales gimmicks. Coupons, and the like dominate our retail world because people are stupid or greedy enough and especially selfish enough to take part and thus demand such false economy systems. Safeway spends hundereds of millions of dollars on these schemes. Who pays that cost?. Those who sign up pay some of that cost, but especially those good people who wont. It is a draconian tax on those who still have a sence of morality and responcibility towards others. If people cared more about the health of the economy than saving 29 cents on a 12 pack of toilet paper, the cost of all goods would come down. Very time we sign up for or make use of a membership program we are saying "i want someone else to pay for my greed", and we are saying that to people with a greater sence of morality and a greater respect for comunity anf the future. Is saving 29 cents worth the moral cost that it represents? If so, we deserve the economic crash and global climate catastrophe. In a global economy we vote more with our puchaces than in the polling booth. Lets all start owning up to the fact that we are buying more than toilet paper each time we go to the checkout register. Maybe 29 cents is a bargain if what you are really buying is social welfair, fairness, trust and respect for your fellow humans, and a much more stable future. -----Original Message----- From: "Lynn Fredricks" To: "'How to use Revolution'" Sent: 7/2/2009 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Creepy 2020 > I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments > and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in > our selves. I wouldn't lump these two together. But if your point is that corporations are just providing a service that we want, I can see your point. The problem I see is that at least in the United States, for the most part, we don't own our own data. It is also legal, apparently, to attach penalties (or should it be "benefits") to not disclosing data when its for services that have nothing to do with the service. For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben & Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a "rewards card", that Ill be charged significantly more? For purely inventory purposes, they don't really need to know that. As a reseller, they haven't any vested right in the "property" of the product to even ask that - they haven't licensed that pint to me. Now its perhaps good for them to know that this particular store sells through this particular product at rate X - but they do not need to tag me with that information. What combination of "future devices" can be used in the future with this information? How will Safeway, in the future, utilize that information to provide complementary services with its partners? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rev at splash21.com Thu Jul 2 16:09:13 2009 From: rev at splash21.com (splash21) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:09:13 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Game update In-Reply-To: References: <4A47E9DA.2060708@splash21.com> <24261917.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A49D6B4.6040203@splash21.com> <1e91b2b70906300550h759b0262r89d27ab982ff6d16@mail.gmail.com> <4A4C7ACB.70803@splash21.com> Message-ID: <4A4D13E9.5030208@splash21.com> Good idea - just added a note! Still not sure how I found out about it in the first place - maybe saw it in an on-rev stack. Devin Asay wrote: > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:15 AM, splash21 wrote: > >> Thanks, Nicolas. I'm not sure where I read about 'clone invisible' - I >> don't see it in the docs anywhere! Hopefully the website will give ideas >> and examples for anyone wanting to use irev for upcoming projects. > > If you're using Rev 3.5 you should consider adding a clarifying note > to the clone command entry in the Rev Dictionary. > > :-) > > Regards, > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From rev at splash21.com Thu Jul 2 16:15:43 2009 From: rev at splash21.com (splash21) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:15:43 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Game update In-Reply-To: <4A4D0010.3060608@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4D0010.3060608@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4A4D156F.2070802@splash21.com> Nicolas showed how to fix the game stack to work in previous versions of rev, then mentioned irev afterwards. My reply was just hitting each point. Sorry for any confusion :) Richard Gaskin wrote: > splash21 wroteL > > I'm not sure where I read about 'clone invisible' - I don't > > see it in the docs anywhere! Hopefully the website will give > > ideas and examples for anyone wanting to use irev for upcoming > > projects. > > How would the "clone" command come into play with a web project? > > iRev is a server-side technology. If you're thinking of the browser > plug-in, my understanding is that that won't be available until Beta > in September. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From bleiler at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 2 16:18:34 2009 From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:18:34 -0400 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2B8DDB27-5128-4897-82D1-8FE4097F5B84@buffalo.edu> I agree with Richard. It looks like is NOT "fixed". Can someone reopen the report? I think its severity should be changed to "major". I will go back to using 3.0, for now. Tim Bleiler, Ph.D. Instructional Designer, HSIT University at Buffalo Phone: 716-829-3867 On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Paul Looney wrote: >> I have had the opposite happen. >> On a large variable, sorting removed lines. >> Rev 3.0, OS X 10.5 > > If memory serves, that was the result of a limitation of the sort > command where it could only be used reliably on data in which no > single line exceeded 65,535 chars. > > According to the v3.5 Engine Change Log, that was fixed in v3.5: > > > Unfortunately the current limit is not noted in the docs for the > Sort command, nor in that report, so I don't know exactly what it is > in the latest version. But 64k of text was a lot for a single line, > so whatever it's been raised to should be plenty for most common > tasks. > > > Timothy's report of the trailing blank line may be a regression > error which had been marked as "fixed" in the 3.5 Engine Change Log: > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Jul 2 16:47:44 2009 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <4A4D1246.10503@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4D1246.10503@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > Randall Reetz wrote: > >> You have a choice. Dont sign up for "special" sales gimmicks. But sometimes the choice isn't explicit, or really a choice at all. The story I like to tell in my class is of how, when we were trying to have our children, we needed to use fertility services. As we needed to use an egg donor (TMI, I know), we had to use twice the normal amount of hormone drugs, a partial portion of the price for which was covered by our insurance. Now, it turns out that some of these same drugs are also given to post-menopausal women, which didn't occur to me at the time, but I was somewhat astounded to have become the recipient of emails from the AARP and coupons for Depends... Coincidence? I think not. Judy From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 17:32:46 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:32:46 -0400 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <20090702012239.CNFW18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <6C64A4E7-8F0A-46B9-A86D-50AC7FBE4410@mac.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'm out there :-) Got three websites just for the tshirts, but the designs are all the same. It's the fulfillment companies that are different. Got two websites for the software. Got other websites that just are. You with the evil CP? Or Z-Pod? Or other? >Actually, I went through all of your different businesses and >searched on them until I found your full name on one and searched >that in FB. Nice trail through shareware, t-shirts, other t-shirts, >still other t-shirts etc. until the Pong fan page. > >[OT] I also sell t-shirts online and write applications. Is this a >coincidence??? I also have multiple online businesses. Hmmm... -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From benr_mc at cogapp.com Thu Jul 2 17:33:18 2009 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:33:18 +0100 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <2B8DDB27-5128-4897-82D1-8FE4097F5B84@buffalo.edu> References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> <2B8DDB27-5128-4897-82D1-8FE4097F5B84@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <4A4D279E.70600@cogapp.com> On 2/7/09 21:18, Timothy Bleiler wrote: > I agree with Richard. > > It looks like > is NOT "fixed". > Can someone reopen the report? I think its severity should be changed to > "major". I've re-opened this report - please feel free to add any comments to it. Ben From randall at randallreetz.com Thu Jul 2 17:46:28 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:46:28 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090702214629.UXCQ29288.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> If the majority of consumers demanded fairness over gimmicks, the safeways of the world would be falling over themselves to meet that market. It is we. Our daily actions determine the shape of products and services and what we value. There is a study done of chimps. A chimps was taught to count. Put a late of jelly beans in front of it and this chimps would sit there draging one at a time into a pile... Then touch the square with the number (1 to 100) corresponding on a touch screen. After a while he was correct almost 100 percent of the time. If he was correct, he got to eat the beans. If not, he had to wait for the next day to try again. Then the changed the experiment. Brought in another chimps behind a glass partition. The other chimps had no roll but to be there. In the presence of the second chimp, the counting chimps ability to count go worse and worse. Especially because a wrong count meant he had to watch the plate of beans handed to the passive chimp each time he lost. I think humans have the same problem. We cant perform when we think somone eles might profit from our mistakes. It isnt so much that we want a discount on toilet paper as it is that we simply couldnt take it if someone else got that discount and we didnt. -----Original Message----- From: "Judy Perry" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 7/2/2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 > Randall Reetz wrote: > >> You have a choice. Dont sign up for "special" sales gimmicks. But sometimes the choice isn't explicit, or really a choice at all. The story I like to tell in my class is of how, when we were trying to have our children, we needed to use fertility services. As we needed to use an egg donor (TMI, I know), we had to use twice the normal amount of hormone drugs, a partial portion of the price for which was covered by our insurance. Now, it turns out that some of these same drugs are also given to post-menopausal women, which didn't occur to me at the time, but I was somewhat astounded to have become the recipient of emails from the AARP and coupons for Depends... Coincidence? I think not. Judy _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jhj at jhj.com Thu Jul 2 17:55:54 2009 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:55:54 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <4A4D1246.10503@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4D1246.10503@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1FD29DF3-250A-4C0F-B92A-553CB936D05E@jhj.com> On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > While you're at it, it's helpful for privacy advocacy to fill out > the application with a completely different demographic profile than > yours, so the more people who do this the less useful the database > becomes. I heard from a guy in cypherpunks.com that every time they meet, they throw all their Safeway cards into a hat, shake, and pick out a new one... --Jerry From support at ahsomme.com Thu Jul 2 18:19:01 2009 From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:19:01 -0700 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <6872EB41-E5B2-4879-8CF0-CC096551A1F1@ahsomme.com> Richard, It has been a while... I went back and checked my records. The problem (probably related to the number of characters per line) was thousands of NULL characters in the variable. When I removed the NULLs, everything worked fine. So now I always trap for NULLs before doing a sort - and have not had a repeat of this problem. By the way, we are not sure where the NULLS came from. Our best guess is that it has something to do with pasting text from a word processor into one of our notes fields. I, too, would like to know the new limit. Mark? Paul Looney On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Paul Looney wrote: >> I have had the opposite happen. >> On a large variable, sorting removed lines. >> Rev 3.0, OS X 10.5 > > If memory serves, that was the result of a limitation of the sort > command where it could only be used reliably on data in which no > single line exceeded 65,535 chars. > > According to the v3.5 Engine Change Log, that was fixed in v3.5: > > > Unfortunately the current limit is not noted in the docs for the > Sort command, nor in that report, so I don't know exactly what it > is in the latest version. But 64k of text was a lot for a single > line, so whatever it's been raised to should be plenty for most > common tasks. > > > Timothy's report of the trailing blank line may be a regression > error which had been marked as "fixed" in the 3.5 Engine Change Log: > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Jul 2 18:42:19 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:42:19 -0700 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <6872EB41-E5B2-4879-8CF0-CC096551A1F1@ahsomme.com> References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> <6872EB41-E5B2-4879-8CF0-CC096551A1F1@ahsomme.com> Message-ID: Pasted-in NULL characters can also train wreck the GLX2 script editor. I use Tex-Edit (not Textedit) for quick text cleaning. I've seen text from a database serving Wordpress where users had pasted in NULLs with their text, not to mention curly quotes, etc. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/2 Paul Looney > Richard, > It has been a while... > I went back and checked my records. The problem (probably related to the > number of characters per line) was thousands of NULL characters in the > variable. When I removed the NULLs, everything worked fine. > So now I always trap for NULLs before doing a sort - and have not had a > repeat of this problem. > By the way, we are not sure where the NULLS came from. Our best guess is > that it has something to do with pasting text from a word processor into one > of our notes fields. > > I, too, would like to know the new limit. Mark? > Paul Looney > > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Paul Looney wrote: >> >>> I have had the opposite happen. >>> On a large variable, sorting removed lines. >>> Rev 3.0, OS X 10.5 >>> >> >> If memory serves, that was the result of a limitation of the sort command >> where it could only be used reliably on data in which no single line >> exceeded 65,535 chars. >> >> According to the v3.5 Engine Change Log, that was fixed in v3.5: >> >> >> Unfortunately the current limit is not noted in the docs for the Sort >> command, nor in that report, so I don't know exactly what it is in the >> latest version. But 64k of text was a lot for a single line, so whatever >> it's been raised to should be plenty for most common tasks. >> >> >> Timothy's report of the trailing blank line may be a regression error >> which had been marked as "fixed" in the 3.5 Engine Change Log: >> >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 18:52:30 2009 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:52:30 +0900 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> <6872EB41-E5B2-4879-8CF0-CC096551A1F1@ahsomme.com> Message-ID: <1e91b2b70907021552mbd6438ewa4482df8013e3f0a@mail.gmail.com> About good and simple text editors that can keep text clean (of null characters, in this case), Stephen Barncard recommended Tex-Edit but that's for Macs. Any similar recommendations for Windows? Or is "Notepad" sufficient? And please note the word "simple" :-) Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From rman at free.fr Thu Jul 2 18:57:50 2009 From: rman at free.fr (Robert M.) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How can runrevWeblet work directly within html-mail? In-Reply-To: <8F3ECE6E-055F-489C-AB86-B773FE064DE9@azurevision.co.uk> References: <24271843.post@talk.nabble.com> <8F3ECE6E-055F-489C-AB86-B773FE064DE9@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <24315224.post@talk.nabble.com> Thank you ian for the very informative link you provided on how flash works in email apps (answer is it does not!) Ian Wood-3 wrote: > > I wasn't aware that web plugins (other than QT on a Mac) worked within > mail clients. > > Ian > > P.S. http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/post/1974/the-truth-about-1/ > > On 30 Jun 2009, at 14:29, Robert M. wrote: > >> Hi, maybe not the right place to post, but can't find anyother place.. >> >> So I'd like to be able to attach a runrevWeblet to a mail and have >> it run >> directly within mail app & equivalents. >> >> Is this.. total dream, or feasable, in the future? When?? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/How-can-runrevWeblet-work-directly-within-html-mail--tp24271843p24315224.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Jul 2 19:13:37 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:13:37 -0700 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70907021552mbd6438ewa4482df8013e3f0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> <6872EB41-E5B2-4879-8CF0-CC096551A1F1@ahsomme.com> <1e91b2b70907021552mbd6438ewa4482df8013e3f0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well one could make a simple thing in a standalone replace numToChar(0) with empty in fld x (or any container, perhaps the clipboard) by the way NULL is a built in constant in Rev. ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/2 Nicolas Cueto > About good and simple text editors that can keep > text clean (of null characters, in this case), Stephen > Barncard recommended Tex-Edit but that's for Macs. > > Any similar recommendations for Windows? Or is > "Notepad" sufficient? > > And please note the word "simple" :-) > > Thanks. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From paulgabel at comcast.net Thu Jul 2 19:26:28 2009 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:26:28 -0700 Subject: data grid question In-Reply-To: References: <24158600.post@talk.nabble.com> <24158604.post@talk.nabble.com> <230C1851-AE27-433B-8149-8F098C156E8F@mangomultimedia.com> <33ED3E16-5BBF-4087-940D-D2C016782297@cox.net> <26AB8D10-05A2-4282-A2CE-E0451603257A@cox.net> Message-ID: <6D051C96-6B56-4B4B-9B3F-4C4A21D89B8B@comcast.net> Is there a Mac-compatible link? The .wmv link got me a bunch of TextEdit garbage. Thanks. On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > forgot the link: > > http://www.runrev.com/offers/webinar-2009-03-26/data-grid-webinar.wmv Paul Gabel From psahores at free.fr Thu Jul 2 19:25:58 2009 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:25:58 +0200 Subject: Sort Command in 3.5 is adding lines to a variable In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70907021552mbd6438ewa4482df8013e3f0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4D100D.3070603@fourthworld.com> <6872EB41-E5B2-4879-8CF0-CC096551A1F1@ahsomme.com> <1e91b2b70907021552mbd6438ewa4482df8013e3f0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nicolas, About win rock-solid free editors : have an eye to Crimson Editor. one of the bests windows equivalents of a TextMate and TextWrangler mix, aka powerfull and fast in the same time. Best, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com Le 3 juil. 09 ? 00:52, Nicolas Cueto a ?crit : > About good and simple text editors that can keep > text clean (of null characters, in this case), Stephen > Barncard recommended Tex-Edit but that's for Macs. > > Any similar recommendations for Windows? Or is > "Notepad" sufficient? > > And please note the word "simple" :-) > > Thanks. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 20:56:57 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:56:57 +1000 Subject: data grid question In-Reply-To: <6D051C96-6B56-4B4B-9B3F-4C4A21D89B8B@comcast.net> References: <24158600.post@talk.nabble.com> <24158604.post@talk.nabble.com> <230C1851-AE27-433B-8149-8F098C156E8F@mangomultimedia.com> <33ED3E16-5BBF-4087-940D-D2C016782297@cox.net> <26AB8D10-05A2-4282-A2CE-E0451603257A@cox.net> <6D051C96-6B56-4B4B-9B3F-4C4A21D89B8B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Is there a Mac-compatible link? The .wmv link got me a bunch of TextEdit > garbage. Thanks. > > On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > >> forgot the link: >> >> http://www.runrev.com/offers/webinar-2009-03-26/data-grid-webinar.wmv > If you install the free Flip4Mac WMV player, you will be able to play these wmv files on your Mac. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 20:58:54 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:58:54 +1000 Subject: "R" - Day In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10907021118l4fdff68cj14ec26411d44a9a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4CF5D2.7080505@gmail.com> <123556EF-21A1-449B-B5ED-64B477196256@mac.com> <7c87a2a10907021118l4fdff68cj14ec26411d44a9a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Stars!... Can't do it... Not today." The Road to El Dorado. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > R-Day will be when the stars are right (*) > > > *: cue lovecraft. > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 21:26:13 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:26:13 +0800 Subject: "R" - Day In-Reply-To: References: <4A4CF5D2.7080505@gmail.com> <123556EF-21A1-449B-B5ED-64B477196256@mac.com> <7c87a2a10907021118l4fdff68cj14ec26411d44a9a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > The Road to El Dorado. > > "Any Way The Wind Blows" The Road to Escondido From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 22:24:54 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:24:54 +0800 Subject: Creepy In-Reply-To: References: <4A4BB771.9050804@fourthworld.com> <9FF5CCB53D83439CAA704A0316A9BD90@GATEWAY> <0A3ED13F-7189-494E-964C-3A78E1994D55@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Shari wrote: > > I always try to remember that whatever I post is actually public info. > Whether it be here, Facebook, mySpace, my web pages, Google groups, > wherever. > > That is an extremely sensible attitude to take. What you may not appreciate is what other people are doing to take advantage of the fact that * everything* on the web is pretty well open for public consumption. Check out this Livestream presentation. The bit that is of interest starts at 12:50 and runs through to about 21:00 - once you go to the link and press play and it loads, press pause and move the 'time readout' to 12:50 and then press play again - save yourself 12 min of listening. This link should all be on one line: http://www.livestream.com/denlive/ondemand/pla_3982760579168982080?initthumburl=http://mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com/chdenlive/2009/06/29/17a7a02e-a2ea-4d88-8444-edc437236e5f_2100.jpg&playeraspectwidth=4&playeraspectheight=3 Basically it shows how you as an individual can save yourself an enormous amount of time by using the work (bloggs, bookmarks, keywords) of others to direct you to the online information that is highly relevant to you. Enjoy. From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu Jul 2 22:54:39 2009 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:54:39 +0200 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <20090702214629.UXCQ29288.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20090702214629.UXCQ29288.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:46 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > If the majority of consumers demanded fairness over gimmicks "I want you all to lean out your window and yell 'I'm as mad as H*LL and I'm not going to take it any more!" Couldn't resist, I was watching the movie 'Network' tonight. ;-) sims From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jul 2 23:01:50 2009 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:01:50 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: References: <20090702214629.UXCQ29288.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <49897188906.20090702200150@ahsoftware.net> Jim- Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:54:39 PM, you wrote: > "I want you all to lean out your window and yell 'I'm as mad as H*LL > and I'm not going to take it any more!" I did that, but a couple of squirrels thought I was a nut... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From shari at gypsyware.com Thu Jul 2 23:17:01 2009 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:17:01 -0400 Subject: Creepy 2020 In-Reply-To: <49897188906.20090702200150@ahsoftware.net> References: <20090702214629.UXCQ29288.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <49897188906.20090702200150@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Wow, I can't believe the life of the thread I started! Fascinating! And I wuz worried about posting something slightly OT... LOL! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com From randall at randallreetz.com Fri Jul 3 00:23:53 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:23:53 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090703042354.COUN18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> That will be the day! -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Sims" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 7/2/2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:46 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > If the majority of consumers demanded fairness over gimmicks "I want you all to lean out your window and yell 'I'm as mad as H*LL and I'm not going to take it any more!" Couldn't resist, I was watching the movie 'Network' tonight. ;-) sims _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Jul 3 00:31:30 2009 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:31:30 -0700 Subject: Missing Menu Lines? Message-ID: Is there a reason a menubar on OS X hides the last 2 items in each menu? Pretty simple stuff: File Edit Help Page Setup... Cut About Print Copy - Paste Exit Clear On Windows, menus display correctly. On OS X, the last 2 items in every menu are not displayed, and if the Help menu has only 2 items, it is not displayed at all. The only way I can get them to show up is to add 2 separators to the bottom of each menu. Is this expected behavior? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Jul 3 01:00:46 2009 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Missing Menu Lines? Message-ID: <30811.85989.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Welcome to the wonderful world of cross-platform menubars. You've been tapped on the wrist by Rev's helping hand for MacOSX peculiarities: - Your 'File' menu should end with a separator and Exit/Quit item -> on MacOSX, the Quit item is in the application menu => Rev will 'move' it for you but still send the menuPick message to the File button - Your 'Edit' menu should end with a separator and Preferences item -> on MacOSX, the Preferences item is in the application menu => Rev will 'move' it for you but still send the menuPick message to the Edit button - Your 'Help' menu should end with a separator and About item -> on MacOSX, the About item is in the application menu => Rev will 'move' it for you but still send the menuPick message to the Help button Note that if you don't have a Preferences menu item, you should still put it there, but disable it - Rev will then disable the item in the application menu. See also the Revolution 3.5 User Guide pdf pp 265-266. Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Scott Rossi wrote: > From: Scott Rossi > Subject: Missing Menu Lines? > To: "Revolution Mail List" > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 9:31 PM > Is there a reason a menubar on OS X > hides the last 2 items in each menu? > > Pretty simple stuff: > > File? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? Edit? ? ? ? ? > ? ???Help > Page Setup...? ? ? ? Cut? ? > ? ? ? ? ???About > Print? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? Copy > -? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ???Paste > Exit? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ???Clear > > On Windows, menus display correctly.? On OS X, the > last 2 items in every > menu are not displayed, and if the Help menu has only 2 > items, it is not > displayed at all.? The only way I can get them to show > up is to add 2 > separators to the bottom of each menu. > > Is this expected behavior? > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Jul 3 01:03:16 2009 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:03:16 -0700 Subject: Missing Menu Lines? In-Reply-To: <30811.85989.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Welcome to the wonderful world of cross-platform menubars. You've been tapped > on the wrist by Rev's helping hand for MacOSX peculiarities Figured it was something like that -- thanks for the explanation. It's been so long since I've done anything with standard menus I've forgotten how they work! Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Fri Jul 3 01:03:46 2009 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:03:46 -0400 Subject: Staying in Edinburgh Message-ID: <01F92A49-D77B-460B-9883-BC18A8C29D5C@wehostmacs.com> or stay somewhere free http://www.couchsurfing.org/ From randall at randallreetz.com Fri Jul 3 01:13:35 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:13:35 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090703051337.GXAQ18881.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I would hope that the economic and ecological and resource and energy catastrophe we are facing (living within) would give us all reason to pause and think deeply about which kind of humanity we want to be. We have seen what skimming and baseless profiteering wrot. We might now think what productivity really means. Ask our selves what typrs of activities actually produce more per hour worked. And more to the point, which activities produce what is nessisary for the production tomorrow of higher productivity. The only way to make more money (unless you want another recession adjustment) is to do only productivity increasing activities. Anything else is fake wealth and will be followed by the inevitable correction. So, are we done ripping eachother off? Can we start acting like we are adults and believe in reality? Consuption does not drive an economy. Consumption results from a healthy productive economy. Revenue and throughput isnt a reliable indicator of productivity. We must have learned this little lesson. It isnt how much money you can funnel towards yourn section of the pie, it is how york section of the pie can grow the whole pie bigger. This is a big one people. We have got to learn it. The rape africa to support europe model doesnt work anymore. We have to pay our own way. It is the biggest challange yet faced by humanity. I say we can. Pay attention to how you spend your labor and creative resources. Each of us matter. What i said about our purchasing decisions mattering palestine in comparison to how powerful are our labor decisions. Productivity. -----Original Message----- From: "Shari" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 7/2/2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 Wow, I can't believe the life of the thread I started! Fascinating! And I wuz worried about posting something slightly OT... LOL! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Fri Jul 3 01:21:06 2009 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:21:06 -0700 Subject: Creepy 2020 Message-ID: <20090703052107.OBFP13268.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Sorry about the sermon. Also, the stupidity of the text hinting on my blackjack phone. I did not mean to say "matters palestine" of course... But "matters pale in comparison...". -----Original Message----- From: "Randall Reetz" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 7/2/2009 10:13 PM Subject: RE: Creepy 2020 I would hope that the economic and ecological and resource and energy catastrophe we are facing (living within) would give us all reason to pause and think deeply about which kind of humanity we want to be. We have seen what skimming and baseless profiteering wrot. We might now think what productivity really means. Ask our selves what typrs of activities actually produce more per hour worked. And more to the point, which activities produce what is nessisary for the production tomorrow of higher productivity. The only way to make more money (unless you want another recession adjustment) is to do only productivity increasing activities. Anything else is fake wealth and will be followed by the inevitable correction. So, are we done ripping eachother off? Can we start acting like we are adults and believe in reality? Consuption does not drive an economy. Consumption results from a healthy productive economy. Revenue and throughput isnt a reliable indicator of productivity. We must have learned this little lesson. It isnt how much money you can funnel towards yourn section of the pie, it is how york section of the pie can grow the whole pie bigger. This is a big one people. We have got to learn it. The rape africa to support europe model doesnt work anymore. We have to pay our own way. It is the biggest challange yet faced by humanity. I say we can. Pay attention to how you spend your labor and creative resources. Each of us matter. What i said about our purchasing decisions mattering palestine in comparison to how powerful are our labor decisions. Productivity. -----Original Message----- From: "Shari" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 7/2/2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 Wow, I can't believe the life of the thread I started! Fascinating! And I wuz worried about posting something slightly OT... LOL! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrevron at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 01:28:23 2009 From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:28:23 +0900 Subject: Missing Menu Lines? In-Reply-To: <30811.85989.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <30811.85989.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, this does not work with Japanese menus. not even with the additions of lprog files in the Mac versions. The menus show fine but the Apple menu must be in English for the other menus to work. Not very professional looking to Japanese. See Bug #5141 Ron On Jul 3, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > > Welcome to the wonderful world of cross-platform menubars. You've > been tapped on the wrist by Rev's helping hand for MacOSX > peculiarities: > - Your 'File' menu should end with a separator and Exit/Quit item > -> on MacOSX, the Quit item is in the application menu > => Rev will 'move' it for you but still send the menuPick message to > the File button > - Your 'Edit' menu should end with a separator and Preferences item > -> on MacOSX, the Preferences item is in the application menu > => Rev will 'move' it for you but still send the menuPick message to > the Edit button > - Your 'Help' menu should end with a separator and About item > -> on MacOSX, the About item is in the application menu > => Rev will 'move' it for you but still send the menuPick message to > the Help button > > Note that if you don't have a Preferences menu item, you should > still put it there, but disable it - Rev will then disable the item > in the application menu. > > See also the Revolution 3.5 User Guide pdf pp 265-266. > > Jan Schenkel > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same > time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> From: Scott Rossi >> Subject: Missing Menu Lines? >> To: "Revolution Mail List" >> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 9:31 PM >> Is there a reason a menubar on OS X >> hides the last 2 items in each menu? >> >> Pretty simple stuff: >> >> File >> Edit >> Help >> Page Setup... Cut >> About >> Print >> Copy >> - >> Paste >> Exit >> Clear >> >> On Windows, menus display correctly. On OS X, the >> last 2 items in every >> menu are not displayed, and if the Help menu has only 2 >> items, it is not >> displayed at all. The only way I can get them to show >> up is to add 2 >> separators to the bottom of each menu. >> >> Is this expected behavior? >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Jul 3 03:51:56 2009 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:51:56 -0700 Subject: Missing Menu Lines? In-Reply-To: <30811.85989.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Welcome to the wonderful world of cross-platform menubars. OK, is there a way to get a menubar to work with command keys when using the menuHistory instead of menuPick? I can't use a menuPick handler based on the names of the menu options (using localized menus), so I'm using the menuHistory to determine which item is chosen (as explained in the docs). This works as expected when selecting items from the menu with the mouse, but it doesn't appear to work with command keys, specifically the edit commands (cut/copy/paste). Checking the menuHistory in the script always shows "1". Is it possible to make a localized menu that doesn't rely on menuItem names? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 04:13:58 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:13:58 +1000 Subject: Missing Menu Lines? In-Reply-To: References: <30811.85989.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > OK, is there a way to get a menubar to work with command keys when using the > menuHistory instead of menuPick? > > I can't use a menuPick handler based on the names of the menu options (using > localized menus), so I'm using the menuHistory to determine which item is > chosen (as explained in the docs). ?This works as expected when selecting > items from the menu with the mouse, but it doesn't appear to work with > command keys, specifically the edit commands (cut/copy/paste). ?Checking the > menuHistory in the script always shows "1". > > Is it possible to make a localized menu that doesn't rely on menuItem names? What about using a menuPick handler but not operating from it's parameter but from the menuHistory once that message has been triggered? Cheers, Sarah From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Jul 3 04:22:00 2009 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (klaus at major.on-rev.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:22:00 +0200 Subject: Missing Menu Lines? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ED2B807-FB00-4395-93B7-5B4A40C08BA3@major.on-rev.com> Hi Scott, > Recently, Jan Schenkel wrote: > >> Welcome to the wonderful world of cross-platform menubars. > > OK, is there a way to get a menubar to work with command keys when > using the > menuHistory instead of menuPick? > > I can't use a menuPick handler based on the names of the menu > options (using > localized menus), so I'm using the menuHistory to determine which > item is > chosen (as explained in the docs). This works as expected when > selecting > items from the menu with the mouse, but it doesn't appear to work with > command keys, specifically the edit commands (cut/copy/paste). > Checking the > menuHistory in the script always shows "1". > If you are working with Rev >=3.5 you can use the new "item menu tagging", which is "label independant" and pretty useful :-) From the "engine cange log.txt": ############################################# Menu-item tagging ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The menu item specification has been extended to allow a tag to be specified. It is now of the form: