Is RR too easy? Or too hard? (was) Is RunRev marketed to developers mainly?

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Is it cultural or why do hate the name "revolution"?  Long, unwieldy, heavy handed, un-related to the product, awkward, out of vogue, s t r a n g e, the opposite of cool . . . like british food?  Gets in the way of public acceptance.

-----Original Message-----
From: "viktoras didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 5/29/2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Is RR too easy? Or too hard? (was) Is RunRev marketed to developers mainly?

Thats why it would be nice to have Revolution name mentioned regularly 
in the big IT magazines. Once it gets there the snowball effect will 
start working as local national magazines tend to replicate news printed 
in the "greater" ones. These news in turn get replicated by IT columns 
in local newspapers. For the "old school" we can probably say that 
indeed, you can enjoy coding by writing your own externals in C++. 
B.t.w, now as we "know" how to do it in C++ it would be also nice to 
have tutorials on writing externals (if possible) in C, Visual Basic, 
Pascal, D, Ada (check the tiobe programming language ranking at 
http://www.tiobe.com/ to see why). Learning by example is the most 
efficient (and likely the only) approach to learn new things.

The old school is actually now being replaced by folks that do php, 
perl, python, rubby. And finally there is a growing community of 
javascript/ajax, xml, flash/flex/actionscript programmers and "database 
people". The situation now is that more and more software is being 
written in interpreted languages then in compiled ones. But if 
Revolution remains unprinted (=unheard), then it can't reach people 
efficiently.

V.

> <-->
>
> Computer programming is a fluid situation.  There is a momentum that 
> must be hit for a language to be "accepted" within the old school 
> programming community.  And frankly I don't ever see RR hitting those 
> folks.  Which is ok with me, lets move forward instead of trying to 
> convert a bunch of "old ways are best" programmers.
>
> In the end, whatever tool you use to accomplish the task at hand is 
> the one you want to use.  I just think if you can do it in a much 
> simpler and faster fashion, that it is just that much more fun :)
>
>  - Noel
>
> At 10:34 AM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>> Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
>> programming?  Do they say that about RR?  I'm running into that issue
>> a little bit.
>>
>> Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a "real"
>> programming language.  Why?  It's too easy!  They have the notion --
>> shared by a good portion of the general public -- that programming is
>> incredibly difficult to do, hard to learn, and mastered only by
>> geeks.  Thus, since making things (even executables) using RR is so
>> easy, it must not be programming.  This viewpoint is especially
>> expressed by students who have dabbled in other languages, like java.
>>
>> On the other side of the aisle, I'd like to begin urging other
>> teachers to begin making their own software to use with their
>> classes.  But they think it's too hard!  (Granted, most of them
>> haven't really tried it -- they hear words like "programming" or
>> "writing software" and shy away.)
>>
>> Sigh....
>>   - marty
>>
>> -- 
>> Marty Billingsley
>> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
>>
>>
>> Recently, william humphrey wrote:
>>> Since my only experience in programming is with hypercard (and most
>>> programmers say that isn't programming) and with web stuff like PHP
>>> JAVAscript which has thousands of carefully indexed examples that
>>> you can
>>> just snip and paste into your projects then I am really not the one to
>>> answer this question.
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