From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri Feb  1 02:44:20 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:44:20 +0200
Subject: Using SQL and revDatabase methods with Valentina
In-Reply-To: <C3C7ACEC.F4B3%wsumner@im.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <C3C89A74.8C767%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 1/2/08 12:50 AM, "Walton Sumner" <wsumner at im.wustl.edu> wrote:

Hi Walton,

First quick points.

1) Many people say very good words about Trevors db library, which is
wrapper to few dbs or Rev. So you get from box universal API.

2) I advice you subscribe to Valentina list and CC to both lists questions
which may be related to both Rev and Valentina, or only to Valentina list if
question is specific to Valentina. Important is that Valentina engineers
will be able see your questions.

3) Check V4REV/Examples/TestProject.rev
    
    It have section which tests RBDB API, so you can see how it should be
used. Also it show how can be used bridges from Valentina API to RevDB and
visa versa.

P.S. Trevor, superbundle have got a lots new REV developers, as you know.
Will be great if you once again make sure that your cool db lib works fine
with all dbs.


> Help, please. I'm using Valentina 2.5.8 (superbundle), and would like to use
> SQL or the Revolution methods for the sake of portability, but I have not
> learned to do this yet. The Valentina direct access functions work, so most
> of the pieces must be in place. What am I doing wrong? Here's an example:
> 
> function errorCheck pDialog
>     if Valentina_ErrNumber()<>0 then
>         if pDialog<>false then
>             answer Valentina_ErrString()
>         end if
>         return "Error"
>     end if
>     return ""
> end errorCheck
> 
> --see here for the tQuery prototype:
> http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documen
> tation:vsql:reference:show:show_table
> 
> --This function should list the tables in sDatabase
> --sDatabase is a script level variable identifying the database
> function DatabaseTables
> 
>     local tQuery = "SELECT name FROM (SHOW TABLES) WHERE type = 'TABLE'"
>     local tList,tArray,tFirstRec,tMaxRec,tCursor
>     put "" into tArray
> 
>     breakpoint
> 
>     put VDatabase_SqlSelectRecords(sDatabase, \
>        tQuery,"kClientSide","kReadOnly","kForwardOnly", \
>        tArray,1,-1,tab,CR) into tList
>     get errorCheck() --> Unexpected token SHOW
> 
>     put "SELECT * FROM (SHOW TABLES)" into tQuery
>     put VDatabase_SqlSelectRecords(sDatabase, tQuery,"kClientSide", \
>        "kReadOnly","kForwardOnly",tArray,1,-1,tab,CR) \
>        into tList
>     get errorCheck() --> Unexpected token SHOW
> 
>     put VDataBase_SqlSelect( sDatabase, tQuery,"kClientSide", \
>        "kReadOnly", "kForwardOnly", tArray ) into tCursor
>     get errorCheck() --> Unexpected token SHOW
>      
>     --local tList
>     local tCount, i, tReference, tName, tID, tFields, tRecords
>     put VDataBase_TableCount( sDatabase ) into tCount
>     repeat with i = 1 to tCount
>         put VDatabase_Table( sDatabase, i ) into tReference
>         put VTable_Name( tReference ) into tName
>         put VTable_ID( tReference ) into tID
>         put VTable_FieldCount( tReference ) into tFields
>         put VTable_RecordCount( tReference ) into tRecords
>         put i & tab & tName & tab & tReference & tab & tID \
>             & tab & tFields & tab & tRecords & CR after tList
>     end repeat
>     delete last char of tList
>     return tList --> tList is correct
> end DatabaseTables
> 
> In general, I find that Valentina examples, tutorials, etc, use the direct
> Valentina calls for a wide range of operations, and SQL and revDatabase
> methods for far fewer operations, if any.
> 
> Before I surrender and use only Valentina calls, are there some working
> examples of the other two strategies lying about?
> 
> And how do you get "SHOW TABLES" to work in a select statement?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Walt Sumner

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Feb  1 03:52:28 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:52:28 +1000
Subject: Escaping shell script paths (was: Photo Processing ,
	Gallery and IPTC Data app)
In-Reply-To: <33B1E640-A359-4491-93B5-81A5F86F4D32@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4793F6B7.70904@hindu.org>
	<AA6CAC60-E9AD-4FB2-BF40-720B4E87D009@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4798E6B8.1030706@hindu.org>
	<90FCE9D7-EE62-4D5F-BA62-B1D15F9E07E0@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4799470D.5020305@hindu.org>
	<83D7DF31-20D3-45FC-9C3B-EDA2DB4D2D79@azurevision.co.uk>
	<479C0ED6.1080500@hindu.org>
	<33B1E640-A359-4491-93B5-81A5F86F4D32@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>

On 28 Jan 2008, at 10:31, Ian Wood wrote:

> function ijwAPLIB_MakeOSXShellPath tPath
> put "set tOut to quoted form of POSIX path of tPath" into tScript
> replace "tPath" with quote & revMacFromUnixPath(tPath) & quote in  
> tScript
> do tScript as applescript
> put the result into tNewPath
> delete char 1 of tNewPath
> delete last char of tNewPath
> return tNewPath
> end ijwAPLIB_MakeOSXShellPath

Oops. Just discovered that the above function doesn't cope with file  
paths that contain any kind of quote mark.

The following function should work better, escaping characters rather  
than putting quote marks around the whole path.

Can anyone think of other problems that might crop up when converting  
Rev paths to escaped paths for use in OS X shell scripts? I think I've  
got all the command characters that can actually be used in legal file  
names.

function ijwAPLIB_MakeOSXShellPath tPath
put "set tOut to POSIX path of tPath" into tScript
replace "tPath" with quote & revMacFromUnixPath(tPath) & quote in  
tScript
do tScript as applescript
put the result into tNewPath
delete char 1 of tNewPath
delete last char of tNewPath
replace space with "\" & space in tNewPath
replace quote with "\" & quote in tNewPath
replace "'" with "\" & "'" in tNewPath
replace "*" with "\" & "*" in tNewPath
replace "?" with "\" & "?" in tNewPath
replace "[" with "\" & "[" in tNewPath
replace "]" with "\" & "]" in tNewPath
replace "{" with "\" & "{" in tNewPath
replace "}" with "\" & "}" in tNewPath
replace "$" with "\" & "$" in tNewPath
replace "!" with "\" & "!" in tNewPath
replace "&" with "\" & "&" in tNewPath
replace "|" with "\" & "|" in tNewPath
replace ">" with "\" & ">" in tNewPath
replace "<" with "\" & "<" in tNewPath
replace ";" with "\" & ";" in tNewPath
replace "(" with "\" & "(" in tNewPath
replace "(" with "\" & ")" in tNewPath
return tNewPath
end ijwAPLIB_MakeOSXShellPath

Ian


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Feb  1 04:12:00 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:12:00 +1000
Subject: Escaping shell script paths (was: Photo Processing ,
	Gallery and IPTC Data app)
In-Reply-To: <7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4793F6B7.70904@hindu.org>
	<AA6CAC60-E9AD-4FB2-BF40-720B4E87D009@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4798E6B8.1030706@hindu.org>
	<90FCE9D7-EE62-4D5F-BA62-B1D15F9E07E0@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4799470D.5020305@hindu.org>
	<83D7DF31-20D3-45FC-9C3B-EDA2DB4D2D79@azurevision.co.uk>
	<479C0ED6.1080500@hindu.org>
	<33B1E640-A359-4491-93B5-81A5F86F4D32@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D8C197F4-5D37-4BDA-AC5B-FB5497DE8D95@azurevision.co.uk>


On 1 Feb 2008, at 18:52, Ian Wood wrote:

> replace "(" with "\" & ")" in tNewPath

Should of course be:

replace ")" with "\" & ")" in tNewPath

Ian


From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 04:30:36 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:30:36 +0000
Subject: Escaping shell script paths (was: Photo Processing ,
	Gallery and IPTC Data app)
In-Reply-To: <D8C197F4-5D37-4BDA-AC5B-FB5497DE8D95@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4793F6B7.70904@hindu.org>
	<AA6CAC60-E9AD-4FB2-BF40-720B4E87D009@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4798E6B8.1030706@hindu.org>
	<90FCE9D7-EE62-4D5F-BA62-B1D15F9E07E0@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4799470D.5020305@hindu.org>
	<83D7DF31-20D3-45FC-9C3B-EDA2DB4D2D79@azurevision.co.uk>
	<479C0ED6.1080500@hindu.org>
	<33B1E640-A359-4491-93B5-81A5F86F4D32@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>
	<D8C197F4-5D37-4BDA-AC5B-FB5497DE8D95@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802010130h604f2295g587fa4bca5da4fe9@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for this Ian. I've a couple of questions if not anything to add...

   - The applescript you start with.... I guess this deals with file
   names on Mac that contain the "/" character for instance? What exaclty does
   "set tOut to POSIX path of tPath" do?
   - I use this command to escape any parameter in a shell command that
   may contain strange chars - for instance comments. I guess your function
   applies to these as well?


on shell_BashParamEscape @someParam
>     replace space with ("\" & space) in someParam
>     replace "|" with ("\" & "|") in someParam
>     replace "(" with "\(" in someFile
>     replace ")" with "\)" in someFile
> end shell_BashParamEscape
>


From rmicout at online.fr  Fri Feb  1 05:12:46 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:12:46 +0100
Subject: Infinite loops !
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860801311516q250d8fb7t96e1eb4e47adbdb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA9EFEA9-C82C-4C6E-BABF-267674E35629@online.fr>
	<f99b52860801311516q250d8fb7t96e1eb4e47adbdb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85E63B48-CD16-406A-8898-92E1C08C88E5@online.fr>

Sarah,
Thank you for your reply. I think you are right. I will take your  
advice and change my code accordingly. In reality it is a bit  
complicated because there are many loops included in each other (just  
as some drawings of MC Escher), I am not a professional programmer, I  
am rather a creator of applications, it has been a little  
difficult ... But with a little concentration I think I can get  
there ...
I had a 2nd point in my question: is it possible to change the  
controls of my loop while it runs?
Rene from Paris

Le 1 f?vr. 08 ? 00:16, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 AM, Ren? Micout <rmicout at online.fr> wrote:
>> Hello from Paris,
>> I have a question about infinite loops.
>> I make a musical arpeggiator (a virtual replica Reactogon see video :
>> http://technabob.com/blog/2007/09/08/reactogon-interactive-sequencer-
>> reminds-me-of-star-trek/), the work is progressing but I have 2
>> encountering problems: 1 / When I start an endless loop (it is the
>> goal of the program, I stop it by pressing a key) it stop after few
>> time with the following message: "Handler: can't find handler" while
>> it worked for 150 or 200 times...
>> 2 / It is not possible to intervene at any time in the running of the
>> program to change certain provisions
>
> Hi Rene,
>
> I think using infinite recursions is a bad idea. Even if you set the
> recursionLimit to a high number, if the program is left running for
> long enough it will reach that limit. I would suggest you use "send"
> instead. Try something like this:
>
> on doLoop
>    -- see if the key is presses to stop the loop and if so, exit here
>    -- read the data from your controls to see if anything has changed
>    -- do whatever processing is needed
>    -- send "doLoop" to me in 1 second (or whatever time interval  
> you want)
> end doLoop
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Fri Feb  1 06:31:35 2008
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:31:35 +0000
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
Message-ID: <F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>

Have you seen Sophie http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/ 
index.html which was written in Revolution?  I don't know exactly how  
it compares to VEBs, but the facility to create plugins seems to  
offer a wide range of capabilities.

On 30 Jan 08, at 8:30p.m., Colin Holgate wrote:

> I chanced across an old topic to do with the Voyager Expanded  
> Books, I think someone was asking about whether it would be  
> possible to do that in Revolution. Well, of course it would be  
> possible! I don't think though that converting the HyperCard  
> versions would be the right way to go. Instead you would just want  
> to reproduce the features of the HyperCard version, using whatever  
> the best approach would be for each feature. In some cases the  
> feature could be improved, no doubt.
> <snip>

James J Richards

jamesjrichards at lineone.net

Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 06:41:44 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:41:44 +1000
Subject: Infinite loops !
In-Reply-To: <85E63B48-CD16-406A-8898-92E1C08C88E5@online.fr>
References: <BA9EFEA9-C82C-4C6E-BABF-267674E35629@online.fr>
	<f99b52860801311516q250d8fb7t96e1eb4e47adbdb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<85E63B48-CD16-406A-8898-92E1C08C88E5@online.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802010341i2c436b60o36a0aaba86bf1f2c@mail.gmail.com>

> I had a 2nd point in my question: is it possible to change the
> controls of my loop while it runs?
> Rene from Paris

Certainly. Consider something like this:

on doLoop
   put fld "HowHigh" into tSetting
   -- now do something with tSetting

   send "doLoop" to me in 1 second
end doLoop

If you change the value in the "HowHigh" field, the new value will get
used next item the loop happens. Because you are using "send" and not
a fixed loop, the system remains responsive between repeats and can
accept new data from any control (field, button, scrollbar etc).

Cheers,
Sarah


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Feb  1 07:24:24 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:24:24 +1000
Subject: Escaping shell script paths (was: Photo Processing ,
	Gallery and IPTC Data app)
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802010130h604f2295g587fa4bca5da4fe9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4793F6B7.70904@hindu.org>
	<AA6CAC60-E9AD-4FB2-BF40-720B4E87D009@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4798E6B8.1030706@hindu.org>
	<90FCE9D7-EE62-4D5F-BA62-B1D15F9E07E0@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4799470D.5020305@hindu.org>
	<83D7DF31-20D3-45FC-9C3B-EDA2DB4D2D79@azurevision.co.uk>
	<479C0ED6.1080500@hindu.org>
	<33B1E640-A359-4491-93B5-81A5F86F4D32@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>
	<D8C197F4-5D37-4BDA-AC5B-FB5497DE8D95@azurevision.co.uk>
	<c1c5836b0802010130h604f2295g587fa4bca5da4fe9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96C62CB7-8A28-44D9-B58A-ED8644363796@azurevision.co.uk>


On 1 Feb 2008, at 19:30, David Bovill wrote:

> Thanks for this Ian. I've a couple of questions if not anything to  
> add...
>
> - The applescript you start with.... I guess this deals with file
> names on Mac that contain the "/" character for instance? What  
> exaclty does
> "set tOut to POSIX path of tPath" do?

Pretty much all it does is add the volume name if the filepath isn't  
on the system partition.

> - I use this command to escape any parameter in a shell command that
> may contain strange chars - for instance comments. I guess your  
> function
> applies to these as well?

Pretty much.

Ian

> on shell_BashParamEscape @someParam
>>  replace space with ("\" & space) in someParam
>>  replace "|" with ("\" & "|") in someParam
>>  replace "(" with "\(" in someFile
>>  replace ")" with "\)" in someFile
>> end shell_BashParamEscape
>>
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From rmicout at online.fr  Fri Feb  1 08:02:14 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:02:14 +0100
Subject: Infinite loops !
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802010341i2c436b60o36a0aaba86bf1f2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA9EFEA9-C82C-4C6E-BABF-267674E35629@online.fr>
	<f99b52860801311516q250d8fb7t96e1eb4e47adbdb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<85E63B48-CD16-406A-8898-92E1C08C88E5@online.fr>
	<f99b52860802010341i2c436b60o36a0aaba86bf1f2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95B0A6A5-2806-4916-B023-B893715E1F5B@online.fr>

I have not had time to test your advice, but I do not have the  
possibility to modify the controls during the execution of the loop.  
I did not "the hand" (in french : je n'ai pas la main). But perhaps  
should I try before answering.
Thank you very much
Ren?

PS : it is a musical application, and the time (tempo) is very  
important, the loop should not be held up during its execution ...

Le 1 f?vr. 08 ? 12:41, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

>> I had a 2nd point in my question: is it possible to change the
>> controls of my loop while it runs?
>> Rene from Paris
>
> Certainly. Consider something like this:
>
> on doLoop
>    put fld "HowHigh" into tSetting
>    -- now do something with tSetting
>
>    send "doLoop" to me in 1 second
> end doLoop
>
> If you change the value in the "HowHigh" field, the new value will get
> used next item the loop happens. Because you are using "send" and not
> a fixed loop, the system remains responsive between repeats and can
> accept new data from any control (field, button, scrollbar etc).
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Feb  1 08:02:57 2008
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:02:57 +0100
Subject: OT: RE: Rev cgi vs. php
In-Reply-To: <20080201013815.CEA48489CBC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080201013815.CEA48489CBC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CE3FF5BF-5DBD-483E-AA19-A17577D90CF4@mac.com>

Was it really called Pierian Spring? If so, their hubris was met by  
the appropriate nemesis:

A little learning is a dang'rous thing
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."

Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

Graham

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:36:38 -0800, "Lynn Fredricks"  
<lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

>
>> Digital Chisel then pursued their Windows strategy by
>> attempting to port their product to Java.
>>
>> DC was apparently unprepared for the orders-of-magnitude
>> greater cost of developing with Java, and not long after they
>> shut their doors.
>>
>> I get at least two lessons from this story:
>>
>> 1. It's useful for a vendor of a powerful and flexible engine
>> to protect themselves from customers who might compete
>> directly with them at a very tiny fraction of the vendor's
>> development cost.
>>
>> 2. Switching from Xtalk to Java is a really expensive thing to do.
>
> Same for me :-)
>
> Pierian Spring (the DC guys) was a local company here. I sat down  
> at their
> office and played with the Java thing they had going. It looked nice
> but...man it was slug slow and crashy.


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Feb  1 08:12:06 2008
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:12:06 +0000
Subject: Re-2: PDF within a stack?
Message-ID: <0002E2AF.47A328B2@192.168.168.3>

Sarah,
Scott,

thanks for the help. I really did not know, that i could store binary data in custom properties. 

And thanks for the sample code.

Regards,

Matthias Rebbe


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: PDF within a stack? (01-Feb-2008 6:44)
From:    Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Recently, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> 
> > is it possible to include a PDF within a stackfile on cd under windows?
> 
> If you want to embed the PDF data in a stack you could store the PDF as
> binary in a custom property.  Something like:
> 
>  set the uPDFdata of this stack to url ("binfile:" & pathToOrigPDF)
> 
> 
> > I want the user to enter a password, if the password is correct the pdf 
> > file
> > should either be saved to harddisk or openend. Is this possible?
> 
> Once the user is granted access, you write out the PDF data to the drive.
> To get the PDF to display within Rev, you will need to use the revBrowser
> external (it is also possible to use a player object to display a PDF, but
> this method is not without its difficulties).  If the PDF doesn't need to
> display within your stack, you could simply launch it once it has been
> copied to the drive.
> 
> If you want to minimize easy access to the PDF itself, you might be able to
> write the file to Rev's temp directory (untested).
> 
>  put the tempName into pdfPath
>  set itemdel to "/"
>  put "private.pdf" into last item of pdfPath
>  put the uPDFdata of this stack into url ("binfile:" & pdfPath)
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 
> 
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From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Fri Feb  1 08:12:34 2008
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:12:34 EST
Subject: Macintosh Modifier symbols in menuitem
Message-ID: <c1f.2a9ade17.34d474c2@aol.com>


In a message dated 1/31/08 6:05:35 PM, meitnik at bellsouth.net writes:


> I spent some time experimenting and it appears there is no way to?
> show for example "option + return" symbols in a pulldown menu in a?
> menubar. Oh, I can get the symbols to show after dancing with various?
> settings for the button, but not as a true macintosh menuitem thingy.
> Why should I be constrained to using only alphabets for my shortcut?
> keys??????
> If there is some other way to do this, please let me know.
> 
> Rev, don't you find this strange for a Macintosh app to be missing???
> Rev, please stop chasing after wizbang eye-candy stuff and finish?
> real bread&butter GUI stuff--Now!
> I am really getting tired of waiting for 7 years for stuff long, long?
> over due and at break-neck update/upgrade prices.
> 

I suppose based on this question that there is a way to use Option Key and 
Control-Key modifiers in menus. I haven't figured those out yet. The command Key 
is easy enough but the others would be nice as well.

I really appreciate all the contributors to this group. I would be much worse 
of a rev scripter without this extremely critical resource. I'm relatively 
new with rev. Many times I've picked up a tidbit from someone else's Q&A.

Joe, Orlando, Florida


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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb  1 08:26:40 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:26:40 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
	<F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <49BD7734-56AE-4D2D-8FA6-294A67BE561E@rcn.com>


On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:31 AM, James Richards wrote:

> Have you seen Sophie http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/index.html 
>  which was written in Revolution?  I don't know exactly how it  
> compares to VEBs, but the facility to create plugins seems to offer  
> a wide range of capabilities.

I hadn't heard of that, though of course I've heard of Richard. And If  
Monks Had Macs was at one time published by Voyager as a set of  
HyperCard stacks. The name Sophie is an unfortunate choice for the  
product name, as it is the same name being used by Bob Stein for the  
latest book reader he was doing:

http://rit.mellon.org/projects/private/Sophie and http://sophieproject.org/

Those kinds of readers are a bit different to the Expanded Books,  
which tried to keep a book like experience to a certain degree.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  1 12:02:44 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:02:44 -0800
Subject: Way OT by now: Pierian spring
References: <20080201013815.CEA48489CBC@mail.runrev.com>
	<CE3FF5BF-5DBD-483E-AA19-A17577D90CF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fnvjbm$fh7$1@ger.gmane.org>

Graham-

> Was it really called Pierian Spring? If so, their hubris was met by  the 
> appropriate nemesis:
>
> A little learning is a dang'rous thing
> Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring."
>
> Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

Yes and no. The accent is on "little": the next two lines are

"There shallow Draughts intoxicate the Brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again."


...and getting even more OT for a found pun:
there used to be a business here named Alexander Pope Haircutters...

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  1 12:08:21 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:08:21 -0800
Subject: ScriptLimits (was Re: Rev cgi vs. php)
References: <20080201013815.2BACF489CB3@mail.runrev.com>
	<C3C8C92A.4549%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <fnvjm6$grn$1@ger.gmane.org>

Terry-

> I certainly wouldn't like to try to recreate the Director IDE using 
> Director
> but I imagine you could use it to create a simple HyperCard like tool.

...Sprout is now in beta...

http://sproutbuilder.com/

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Feb  1 12:09:39 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:09:39 +0200
Subject: OT: some news on MySQL...
In-Reply-To: <CE3FF5BF-5DBD-483E-AA19-A17577D90CF4@mac.com>
References: <20080201013815.CEA48489CBC@mail.runrev.com>
	<CE3FF5BF-5DBD-483E-AA19-A17577D90CF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47A35253.9020102@ekoinf.net>

...MySQL AB being acquired by Sun Microsystems Inc for 1000 000 000 USD 
. Hmmm, interesting...
http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-01/sunflash.20080116.1.xml

Viktoras


From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 12:16:52 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:16:52 +0000
Subject: revBrowser
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>

Having some problems with revBrowser - I get a repeated crash using the
"Browser Sampler.rev" stack - or the stacks I am coding. I get it when
viewing my Google Home page - that's not the search engine but the
personalised home page with the widgets in.... I am not sure which url to
give as it sues my loin credentials to display my personalised page - can
someone check "http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en" in revBrowser on other
platforms / systems?

In general I'd like to know what the stability issues are for the embedded
browser. Any one know how it works - that is I know it uses the relevant web
kits on windows and macOS - but are these embedded in the external - or as I
suspect part of the operating system that the external interfaces with - in
other words if the operating system is upgraded - are features added / fixes
made that would effect revBrowser - or is it all part of the external.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Feb  1 12:28:14 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:28:14 -0800
Subject: some news on MySQL...
In-Reply-To: <47A35253.9020102@ekoinf.net>
References: <20080201013815.CEA48489CBC@mail.runrev.com><CE3FF5BF-5DBD-483E-AA19-A17577D90CF4@mac.com>
	<47A35253.9020102@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <026d01c864f7$d5898b80$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> ...MySQL AB being acquired by Sun Microsystems Inc for 1000 
> 000 000 USD . Hmmm, interesting...
> http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-01/sunflash.20080116.1.xml

Yes, this is very big news. I was asked about this by some Valentina
customers about what our reaction was, since we've been trying to muscle in
on MySQL for some time. If you are interested, its on my blog
(http://tinyurl.com/ywwbkb)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Fri Feb  1 13:46:37 2008
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:46:37 -0400
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
	<F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>

The last time I had anything to do with Voyager was at MacWorld in  
San Fransico about 1991 or 92 when I was showing my new electronic  
book app called BookBuilder, built in Hypercard, to anyone who would  
look ( and buy it).  I showed it to Bob Stein at his booth and he  
said, "I can't look at this.  This looks just like what we are  
doing."  I actually used it to create multimedia learning  
presentations at a local university in about 1995.  Since switching  
to Rev, I've been tempted to convert BookBuilder but there were XCMDs  
and old gear (optical disks that were the size of LPs, that I haven't  
bothered.  Maybe it will sell now!... Jim

On 1-Feb-08, at 7:31 AM, James Richards wrote:

> Have you seen Sophie http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/ 
> index.html which was written in Revolution?  I don't know exactly  
> how it compares to VEBs, but the facility to create plugins seems  
> to offer a wide range of capabilities.
>
> On 30 Jan 08, at 8:30p.m., Colin Holgate wrote:
>
>> I chanced across an old topic to do with the Voyager Expanded  
>> Books, I think someone was asking about whether it would be  
>> possible to do that in Revolution. Well, of course it would be  
>> possible! I don't think though that converting the HyperCard  
>> versions would be the right way to go. Instead you would just want  
>> to reproduce the features of the HyperCard version, using whatever  
>> the best approach would be for each feature. In some cases the  
>> feature could be improved, no doubt.
>> <snip>
>
> James J Richards
>
> jamesjrichards at lineone.net
>
> Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063
>
>
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OYF Consulting
Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
Fx. 902.823-2139
<www.StrategicDoing.com>
StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Feb  1 13:50:14 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:50:14 -0700
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C10AF01-545C-4BD8-A19B-C8E1062B97D0@byu.edu>


On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:16 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Having some problems with revBrowser - I get a repeated crash using  
> the
> "Browser Sampler.rev" stack - or the stacks I am coding. I get it when
> viewing my Google Home page - that's not the search engine but the
> personalised home page with the widgets in.... I am not sure which  
> url to
> give as it sues my loin credentials to display my personalised page  
> - can
> someone check "http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en" in revBrowser on  
> other
> platforms / systems?

David,

I don't know if this is relevant, but when I go to portions of my  
Google home page, especially the administrator tools, I get a warning  
that the tools don't work properly in Safari. It may be that errors  
occurring in the Safari web engine are causing Rev to crash when on  
Google sites. If that is the case, Rev needs to be fixed to degrade  
gracefully when encountering errors like this.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Fri Feb  1 13:51:55 2008
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:51:55 -0400
Subject: [OT]  Does Sheepshaver work in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <0002E2AF.47A328B2@192.168.168.3>
References: <0002E2AF.47A328B2@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <12D91B49-F296-41E0-AF01-645185BE9321@oyfconsulting.com>

Hi Folks... I haven't upgraded to Leopard for fear of Sheepshaver not  
working.  Anybody try it?... Jim

Jim Carwardine,
President & CEO
OYF Consulting
Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
Fx. 902.823-2139
<www.StrategicDoing.com>
StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd.
-- 





From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 14:11:04 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:11:04 +0000
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <2C10AF01-545C-4BD8-A19B-C8E1062B97D0@byu.edu>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C10AF01-545C-4BD8-A19B-C8E1062B97D0@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802011111j66fd7f9cq234103c362f6ff09@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Devin, can you view your Google Home page in revBrowser - try using
the "Browser Sample" stack in the Rev apps / resoures/sample projects/
folder?

On 01/02/2008, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:16 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > Having some problems with revBrowser - I get a repeated crash using
> > the
> > "Browser Sampler.rev" stack - or the stacks I am coding. I get it when
> > viewing my Google Home page - that's not the search engine but the
> > personalised home page with the widgets in.... I am not sure which
> > url to
> > give as it sues my loin credentials to display my personalised page
> > - can
> > someone check "http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en" in revBrowser on
> > other
> > platforms / systems?
>
> David,
>
> I don't know if this is relevant, but when I go to portions of my
> Google home page, especially the administrator tools, I get a warning
> that the tools don't work properly in Safari. It may be that errors
> occurring in the Safari web engine are causing Rev to crash when on
> Google sites. If that is the case, Rev needs to be fixed to degrade
> gracefully when encountering errors like this.
>
> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb  1 15:10:24 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:10:24 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
	<F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
	<F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c3c92c306cfa@[192.168.0.89]>

At 2:46 PM -0400 2/1/08, Jim Carwardine wrote:
>I showed it to Bob Stein at his booth and he said, "I can't look at 
>this.  This looks just like what we are doing."

If that's what he said then it would have been 1992. I programmed the 
Expanded Books during October and November 1991, and another 
programmer finished off a couple of features, ready for the release 
of the first three EBs at that MacWorld.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Feb  1 16:02:38 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:02:38 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080201210242.HDNV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Anybody remember the "illuminated" text series by robert able for IBM?  I was the lead interface designer for the first prototype built around the poem "ulysses" (tennyson).  I think i remember the programming done in toolbook though afterwords i purchaced supercard and reverse enginered it in less than  week (my first programming!... Dont tell bob!).  We churned through 1.5 million $ in less than a month.  Lots of film and graphics. One of the first uses of video in a portal of  window.  I think much of the later works in this genre veered towards shovel-ware.  

-----Original Message-----
From: "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: about Voyager Expanded Books

At 2:46 PM -0400 2/1/08, Jim Carwardine wrote:
>I showed it to Bob Stein at his booth and he said, "I can't look at 
>this.  This looks just like what we are doing."

If that's what he said then it would have been 1992. I programmed the 
Expanded Books during October and November 1991, and another 
programmer finished off a couple of features, ready for the release 
of the first three EBs at that MacWorld.
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb  1 16:18:23 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:18:23 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <20080201210242.HDNV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20080201210242.HDNV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <p06240808c3c93c10251c@[192.168.0.89]>

At 1:02 PM -0800 2/1/08, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
>
>Anybody remember the "illuminated" text series by robert able for IBM?


The first time I met Bob Abel was around 1990, and as it was at an 
Apple sponsored event (I was the Apple support technician for the 
event) I'm pretty sure the work he did on Guernica wasn't for IBM. 
Maybe he did something for them later, but at that point their 
product was called Linkway. I'm not sure who owned Toolbook at the 
time.


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Fri Feb  1 16:20:54 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:20:54 -0500
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
Message-ID: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>

Does anyone know how to tell what browser window the user selected/ 
focused on when using two revbrowser windows on the same card?

browserBeforeNavigate and browsernavigateComplete only work if a web  
object with an ID has been clicked on in the browser and not all  
objects have ids.

browserClick is windows only.

browserOut and browserOver will only work over a web object with an id.


I would like to know when a user moves the mouse into a web browser  
window or when they make it active ie. the scroll bars are active.

It seems that messages are trapped by the rev browser.


I have been at this for a couple of hours now and can't figure  
anything out.


Thanks in advance,


Tom


Thomas McGrath III
3mcgrath at comcast.net

Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM





From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Fri Feb  1 16:21:56 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:21:56 -0500
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D28AAF3-7B17-4E7D-9419-1CC032A250E2@comcast.net>

David,

That page loads fine in my revBrowser app.I also tried my own iGoogle  
page.  But i have noticed a few buggy crashes during development. The  
thing for me was that I MAY not have taken care of all closeRevBRowser  
calls during the development process.

I believe if the Safari or EI browser is upgraded than this would  
effect the Rev browser.


HTH

Tom

Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:16 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Having some problems with revBrowser - I get a repeated crash using  
> the
> "Browser Sampler.rev" stack - or the stacks I am coding. I get it when
> viewing my Google Home page - that's not the search engine but the
> personalised home page with the widgets in.... I am not sure which  
> url to
> give as it sues my loin credentials to display my personalised page  
> - can
> someone check "http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en" in revBrowser on  
> other
> platforms / systems?
>
> In general I'd like to know what the stability issues are for the  
> embedded
> browser. Any one know how it works - that is I know it uses the  
> relevant web
> kits on windows and macOS - but are these embedded in the external -  
> or as I
> suspect part of the operating system that the external interfaces  
> with - in
> other words if the operating system is upgraded - are features  
> added / fixes
> made that would effect revBrowser - or is it all part of the external.
>



Thomas McGrath III
3mcgrath at comcast.net

Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM


From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  1 16:32:16 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:32:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT]  Does Sheepshaver work in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <12D91B49-F296-41E0-AF01-645185BE9321@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <270750.41261.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I haven't really put it through any paces, but it seems to work just
fine in Leopard for me.

--- Jim Carwardine <jim at oyfconsulting.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks... I haven't upgraded to Leopard for fear of Sheepshaver not
>  
> working.  Anybody try it?... Jim
> 
> Jim Carwardine,
> President & CEO
> OYF Consulting
> Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
> Fx. 902.823-2139
> <www.StrategicDoing.com>
> StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
> Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd.
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Feb  1 16:42:34 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:34 -0700
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802011111j66fd7f9cq234103c362f6ff09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C10AF01-545C-4BD8-A19B-C8E1062B97D0@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b0802011111j66fd7f9cq234103c362f6ff09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAB988D1-457F-48F3-B649-87E5B8B71820@byu.edu>


On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:11 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Thanks Devin, can you view your Google Home page in revBrowser -  
> try using
> the "Browser Sample" stack in the Rev apps / resoures/sample projects/
> folder?

It seemed to work fine for me here on Mac OS X 10.4.11, Rev 2.8.1.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb  1 16:58:59 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:58:59 -0200
Subject: rotating and scaling images in Win32 (was ITPC, Exif *.*)
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802011358q62c5d322sc98c35874abc4795@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha Friends,

I am creating a little photo selection application that allow
contributors to quickly select photos and do some basic editing
(rotation, scaling). Revolution is great for working with images but
when doing batch processing it simply takes too long. Creating
thumbnails for 80 images/4 mb each takes lots of minutes.

To solve this, I am using "sips" in MacOS X, it works wonder! I am
able to scale, editing, everything very fast. Now, I am implementing
it for windows, so I want to find something I can use to do some photo
processing. It must be something that I can bundle with the
application, it can be some ActiveX/COM which I can call from vbscript
or some command line tool that I can bundle and call with shell().

So far, I am very frustraded, all the libraries I find cost like
hundreds!!! 400 USD for simple lib is too much, any clue out there? I
checked ImageMagick but I can't find a way to bundle it.

Any help is appreciated. I just need a simple way to do rotation and
scalling and exif data processing in a quick way.

Cheers
andre


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http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From shari at gypsyware.com  Fri Feb  1 17:36:40 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:36:40 -0500
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
Message-ID: <a06020400c3c946e041d4@[192.168.2.38]>

I'm trying to determine the best way to store a humungous block of 
data for both speed and accessibility.

My original plan was to do an array something like this:

Item #2 is an identifier unique to each individual.  It will not be a 
number, but text + a number.

census[Atlanta,5489,name] = John
census[Atlanta,5489,religion] = Baptist
census[Atlanta,5489,birthYear] = 1976
census[Atlanta,5489,baseballTeam] = Braves
census[Atlanta,5489,eyeColor] = blue
census[Atlanta,9988,name] = Judy
census[Atlanta,9988,religion] = Mormon
census[Atlanta,9988,birthYear] = 1926
census[Atlanta,9988,baseballTeam] = Yankees
census[Atlanta,9988,eyeColor] = green
census[Chicago,3258,name] = Billy
census[Chicago,3258,religion] = Atheist
census[Chicago,3258,birthYear] = 1982
census[Chicago,3258,eyeColor] = blue
census[Chicago,3258,baseballTeam] = Red Sox

Alternately of course this could be a list with each line dedicated 
to the individual.

Each individual would have 300-400 different items and there will be 
thousands of individuals.

The data needs to be accessed very very quickly, which points to an 
array as above.  And most of the time very specific pieces of data 
will be accessed and updated.  And changes will be made constantly. 
So far, so good.

But here's the glitch.

I need to also be able to make global changes to the list, for 
example, update everybody whose baseball team is "Red Sox" and 
birthYear is 1950.  For example, change all instances of Red Sox to 
White Sox if the birthYear is 1950.

Is there any way short of looking inside each element of thousands of 
keys for the matching birthYear/baseballTeam?

This would presumably be very slow.  But if the array were a list 
with thousands and thousands of lines, each line having 300-400 
items, wouldn't that be slow to access as well?

What am I missing?

Shari
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BIackjack GoId
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Fri Feb  1 17:50:36 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:50:36 -0500
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>

Also, it seems once an object is used for a revBrowser window it won't  
respond to many messages.

  if the mouseloc is within the rect of image "BrowserOne"

This will not work either.


Any ideas or Help

Tom


On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Does anyone know how to tell what browser window the user selected/ 
> focused on when using two revbrowser windows on the same card?
>
> browserBeforeNavigate and browsernavigateComplete only work if a web  
> object with an ID has been clicked on in the browser and not all  
> objects have ids.
>
> browserClick is windows only.
>
> browserOut and browserOver will only work over a web object with an  
> id.
>
>
> I would like to know when a user moves the mouse into a web browser  
> window or when they make it active ie. the scroll bars are active.
>
> It seems that messages are trapped by the rev browser.
>
>
> I have been at this for a couple of hours now and can't figure  
> anything out.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> Thomas McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
>
>
>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 18:39:30 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:39:30 +0000
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <DAB988D1-457F-48F3-B649-87E5B8B71820@byu.edu>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C10AF01-545C-4BD8-A19B-C8E1062B97D0@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b0802011111j66fd7f9cq234103c362f6ff09@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAB988D1-457F-48F3-B649-87E5B8B71820@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802011539t4244aed7u2b30a70372ced367@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - maybe it is one of the widgets I use on the Google page - I have
YouTube videos and others I'll do some testing turning the widgets on and
off one at a time and report back....


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Feb  1 18:45:26 2008
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:45:26 -0800
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c3c946e041d4@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <C3C8EF16.29EFC%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 2/1/08 2:36 PM, "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to determine the best way to store a humungous block of
> data for both speed and accessibility.
> 
> My original plan was to do an array something like this:
> 
> Item #2 is an identifier unique to each individual.  It will not be a
> number, but text + a number.
> 
> census[Atlanta,5489,name] = John
> census[Atlanta,5489,religion] = Baptist
> census[Atlanta,5489,birthYear] = 1976
> census[Atlanta,5489,baseballTeam] = Braves
> census[Atlanta,5489,eyeColor] = blue
> census[Atlanta,9988,name] = Judy
> census[Atlanta,9988,religion] = Mormon
> census[Atlanta,9988,birthYear] = 1926
> census[Atlanta,9988,baseballTeam] = Yankees
> census[Atlanta,9988,eyeColor] = green
> census[Chicago,3258,name] = Billy
> census[Chicago,3258,religion] = Atheist
> census[Chicago,3258,birthYear] = 1982
> census[Chicago,3258,eyeColor] = blue
> census[Chicago,3258,baseballTeam] = Red Sox
> 
> Alternately of course this could be a list with each line dedicated
> to the individual.
> 
> Each individual would have 300-400 different items and there will be
> thousands of individuals.
> 
> The data needs to be accessed very very quickly, which points to an
> array as above.  And most of the time very specific pieces of data
> will be accessed and updated.  And changes will be made constantly.
> So far, so good.
> 
> But here's the glitch.
> 
> I need to also be able to make global changes to the list, for
> example, update everybody whose baseball team is "Red Sox" and
> birthYear is 1950.  For example, change all instances of Red Sox to
> White Sox if the birthYear is 1950.
> 
> Is there any way short of looking inside each element of thousands of
> keys for the matching birthYear/baseballTeam?
> 
> This would presumably be very slow.  But if the array were a list
> with thousands and thousands of lines, each line having 300-400
> items, wouldn't that be slow to access as well?
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Shari

Hi, Shari.  There are other ways to structure your data that can make your
"glitch" easier to handle.  Choosing the best way depends on various
factors, such as:
1) time constraints on adding, updating, and deleting people, properties,
and values
2) whether you have multiple simultaneous users
3) your time and skills

But jumping the gun, you could consider using arrays like the following:

birthYear[1976] = 5489
baseballTeam["Red Sox"] = 3258
eyeColor["blue"] = 5489 & cr & 3258

Then evaluating your compound example involves retrieving the values of
baseballTeam["Red Sox"] and birthYear[1950], deriving the intersection of
those values, removing them from baseballTeam["Red Sox"], and inserting them
into baseballTeam["White Sox"].

I've used this approach; it's fast.  I'd be glad to help you further if
you're interested.

-- Dick





From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 19:06:13 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:06:13 +0000
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing neat. I guess you could use an object slightly bigger than the
browser and then use the mouse enter and leave messages? Probably the best -
I don't think it would work out but maybe another option is to fetch the
html and wrap it in a dummy div before displaying?


From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 19:11:47 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:11:47 +0000
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802011539t4244aed7u2b30a70372ced367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C10AF01-545C-4BD8-A19B-C8E1062B97D0@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b0802011111j66fd7f9cq234103c362f6ff09@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAB988D1-457F-48F3-B649-87E5B8B71820@byu.edu>
	<c1c5836b0802011539t4244aed7u2b30a70372ced367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802011611r71374cffu5341317408011ea4@mail.gmail.com>

Too keen - it was one of the widgets but I removed them too aggressively and
I can't find the one that caused the crash - I guess it is some AJAX /
Javascript widget. I'll keep an eye out for it :)

On 01/02/2008, David Bovill <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks - maybe it is one of the widgets I use on the Google page - I have
> YouTube videos and others I'll do some testing turning the widgets on and
> off one at a time and report back....
>


From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Feb  1 19:17:44 2008
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:17:44 +0000
Subject: rotating and scaling images in Win32 (was ITPC, Exif *.*)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802011358q62c5d322sc98c35874abc4795@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10802011358q62c5d322sc98c35874abc4795@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0802011617p5e3cef45r7b05d6398c681046@mail.gmail.com>

I thought you could use imagemagick on windows:

ImageMagick (full)<http://www.dylanbeattie.net/magick/download/latest/ImageMagick.zip>This
> includes the ImageMagick binaries, including the command-line tools (
> animate.exe, composite.exe, etc.) Get this package if you want to use
> ImageMagick on a Windows system but don't want to use Perl. *This is
> functionally identical to the official ImageMagick Win2K binary
> distribution.*


Does this link not work - I have no PC here?


On 01/02/2008, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
> Aloha Friends,
>
> I am creating a little photo selection application that allow
> contributors to quickly select photos and do some basic editing
> (rotation, scaling). Revolution is great for working with images but
> when doing batch processing it simply takes too long. Creating
> thumbnails for 80 images/4 mb each takes lots of minutes.
>
> To solve this, I am using "sips" in MacOS X, it works wonder! I am
> able to scale, editing, everything very fast. Now, I am implementing
> it for windows, so I want to find something I can use to do some photo
> processing. It must be something that I can bundle with the
> application, it can be some ActiveX/COM which I can call from vbscript
> or some command line tool that I can bundle and call with shell().
>
> So far, I am very frustraded, all the libraries I find cost like
> hundreds!!! 400 USD for simple lib is too much, any clue out there? I
> checked ImageMagick but I can't find a way to bundle it.
>
> Any help is appreciated. I just need a simple way to do rotation and
> scalling and exif data processing in a quick way.
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
>
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Feb  1 19:19:24 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:19:24 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080202001926.PSQW25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Yes, guernica preceded his work with IBM.  I dont know who ended up backing the illuminated series but IBM was the money for the prototype.  Some vp at IBM needed to sell their boxes as interactive media machines.  randall 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: about Voyager Expanded Books

At 1:02 PM -0800 2/1/08, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
>
>Anybody remember the "illuminated" text series by robert able for IBM?


The first time I met Bob Abel was around 1990, and as it was at an 
Apple sponsored event (I was the Apple support technician for the 
event) I'm pretty sure the work he did on Guernica wasn't for IBM. 
Maybe he did something for them later, but at that point their 
product was called Linkway. I'm not sure who owned Toolbook at the 
time.
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Feb  1 19:26:21 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:21 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080202002624.PYID25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

What did happen to toolbook?  Another question i always forget to ask is what happened to that very promicing authoring app out of utah or denver that was hyped as a real object based drag and drop hypermedia builder?  Anyone remember this?  Seems like it was out for less than a year (windows only).
randall

-----Original Message-----
From: "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: about Voyager Expanded Books

At 1:02 PM -0800 2/1/08, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
>
>Anybody remember the "illuminated" text series by robert able for IBM?


The first time I met Bob Abel was around 1990, and as it was at an 
Apple sponsored event (I was the Apple support technician for the 
event) I'm pretty sure the work he did on Guernica wasn't for IBM. 
Maybe he did something for them later, but at that point their 
product was called Linkway. I'm not sure who owned Toolbook at the 
time.
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Fri Feb  1 19:38:56 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:38:56 -0500
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>
	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>

David,

thanks, I'll try the oversized grc and see.

catching the html before display might prove too difficult and might  
break some pages, i think.

Tom

On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:06 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Nothing neat. I guess you could use an object slightly bigger than the
> browser and then use the mouse enter and leave messages? Probably  
> the best -
> I don't think it would work out but maybe another option is to fetch  
> the
> html and wrap it in a dummy div before displaying?
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb  1 21:18:14 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:18:14 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <20080202002624.PYID25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20080202002624.PYID25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <C1ECC794-1960-46ED-8872-44F11B90F245@rcn.com>


On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

> What did happen to toolbook?  Another question i always forget to  
> ask is what happened to that very promicing authoring app out of  
> utah or denver that was hyped as a real object based drag and drop  
> hypermedia builder?  Anyone remember this?  Seems like it was out  
> for less than a year (windows only).

Toolbook is still going:

http://www.toolbook.com/

I think the Utah company would have mFactory, and they developed  
mTropolis for a couple of versions' worth. It was a very neat tool,  
and was cross platform. Eventually Quark bought them, and killed the  
product.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Feb  1 21:38:56 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:38:56 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

mTropolis, that was it... I think.  Did you own it?  Do you own it?  Would you do a screen movie of constructing a simple project in it and post to youtube?  Why would quark want to kill it?
randall

-----Original Message-----
From: "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: about Voyager Expanded Books


On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

> What did happen to toolbook?  Another question i always forget to  
> ask is what happened to that very promicing authoring app out of  
> utah or denver that was hyped as a real object based drag and drop  
> hypermedia builder?  Anyone remember this?  Seems like it was out  
> for less than a year (windows only).

Toolbook is still going:

http://www.toolbook.com/

I think the Utah company would have mFactory, and they developed  
mTropolis for a couple of versions' worth. It was a very neat tool,  
and was cross platform. Eventually Quark bought them, and killed the  
product.
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Fri Feb  1 22:36:43 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:36:43 -0500
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>
	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>

I tried the oversized grc but it seems the mouseEnter only happens in  
the small region between the edge of the grc and the browser object  
which is only about 10 pixels. Anyway, if you move the mouse too  
quickly it does not get the message.

Is anyone familiar with revBrowser enough to know the answer to this.  
I have spent two days trying to figure something out.


Thanks


Tom


On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> David,
>
> thanks, I'll try the oversized grc and see.
>
> catching the html before display might prove too difficult and might  
> break some pages, i think.
>
> Tom
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:06 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>> Nothing neat. I guess you could use an object slightly bigger than  
>> the
>> browser and then use the mouse enter and leave messages? Probably  
>> the best -
>> I don't think it would work out but maybe another option is to  
>> fetch the
>> html and wrap it in a dummy div before displaying?
>>


From shari at gypsyware.com  Fri Feb  1 23:35:58 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:35:58 -0500
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <C3C8EF16.29EFC%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C3C8EF16.29EFC%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <a06020402c3c999fabbda@[192.168.2.38]>

I've never worked with intersecting arrays, so please pardon the questions.

If I understand your example, I'd have something like this:

birthYear[1976] = John Jones,Billy Bob,Mary Lou,Manny Mack,Barbie Doll
birthYear[1977] = Ellie May,Carrie Ann,Andy Ant,Donna Mills,Jackie O
baseballTeam[Red Sox] = Billy Bob,Manny Mack
baseballTeam[White Sox] = Barbie Doll,Ellie May

This would produce about 300 arrays.  The [] keys would be virtually 
unlimited.  There might be a couple hundred birthYears for example.

If I wanted to get all census data for Billy Bob, I'd do a repeat 
loop for each key of each of the 300 arrays to get all info 
pertaining to Billy Bob?  I had not thought of that approach.  It's 
fast?

To get a list of all Red Sox fans born in 1976, I'd just need to 
intersect the two array/key combos?

Looking for all data on Billy Bob will happen more frequently than 
looking for all Red Sox fans born in 1976.  And it will be common to 
delete Billy Bob from all arrays, or add Billie Jean.  Most of the 
time the primary reference would be to Billy Bob, such as "What is 
Billy Bob's baseball team?" Does that change it?

Note that this is not for a database, but for a game where I need to 
track thousands of people each having about 300 pieces of info 
defining them, the defining info will change constantly, and changes 
need to be instantaneous.

Shari





>Hi, Shari.  There are other ways to structure your data that can make your
>"glitch" easier to handle.  Choosing the best way depends on various
>factors, such as:
>1) time constraints on adding, updating, and deleting people, properties,
>and values
>2) whether you have multiple simultaneous users
>3) your time and skills
>
>But jumping the gun, you could consider using arrays like the following:
>
>birthYear[1976] = 5489
>baseballTeam["Red Sox"] = 3258
>eyeColor["blue"] = 5489 & cr & 3258
>
>Then evaluating your compound example involves retrieving the values of
>baseballTeam["Red Sox"] and birthYear[1950], deriving the intersection of
>those values, removing them from baseballTeam["Red Sox"], and inserting them
>into baseballTeam["White Sox"].
>
>I've used this approach; it's fast.  I'd be glad to help you further if
>you're interested.
>
>-- Dick


-- 
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From coiin at rcn.com  Sat Feb  2 00:01:46 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:01:46 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>


On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

> mTropolis, that was it... I think.  Did you own it?  Do you own it?

Voyager had it, and did one CD-ROM using it (not done by me). That was  
Fun With Architecture, and mTropolis was chosen because the program  
needed to have a lot of building pieces on screen at once, and  
Director was limited to 48 at the time. I used it for some  
prototyping, I also entered the competition they had before it was  
released, where you had to create a project in a save-disabled version  
of the program, and send that in (try to work that out!). I won a tee- 
shirt for my entry. I only know of two other commercial CD-ROMs done  
with it, Muppet Treasure Island, and Obsidian, both of which were  
impressive.

I'm not sure what Quark had at the time that was competitive, but  
there was something, hence buying and killing the competition. This  
was all pre-OS X, so although I have copies kicking around, I can't  
easily run it. I'm not even sure it ran in OS 9. I'll try at work some  
time.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Feb  2 00:32:44 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:32:44 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080202053247.XTSH25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I know officially hate quark.  It is amaizing to me that big time businesses engage in behaviors that would result in a trip to the principal's office if a kid did same.  Sad. 

randall  

-----Original Message-----
From: "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: about Voyager Expanded Books


On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

> mTropolis, that was it... I think.  Did you own it?  Do you own it?

Voyager had it, and did one CD-ROM using it (not done by me). That was  
Fun With Architecture, and mTropolis was chosen because the program  
needed to have a lot of building pieces on screen at once, and  
Director was limited to 48 at the time. I used it for some  
prototyping, I also entered the competition they had before it was  
released, where you had to create a project in a save-disabled version  
of the program, and send that in (try to work that out!). I won a tee- 
shirt for my entry. I only know of two other commercial CD-ROMs done  
with it, Muppet Treasure Island, and Obsidian, both of which were  
impressive.

I'm not sure what Quark had at the time that was competitive, but  
there was something, hence buying and killing the competition. This  
was all pre-OS X, so although I have copies kicking around, I can't  
easily run it. I'm not even sure it ran in OS 9. I'll try at work some  
time.
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Feb  2 02:56:33 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:56:33 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C3C96231.38262%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I'm not sure what Quark had at the time that was competitive, but
> there was something, hence buying and killing the competition.

Quark Immedia

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat Feb  2 03:42:30 2008
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:42:30 -0800
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <a06020402c3c999fabbda@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <C3C96CF6.29F14%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 2/1/08 8:35 PM, "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com> wrote:

> I've never worked with intersecting arrays, so please pardon the questions.

Actually it's just intersecting lists of values that come from different
arrays.  Use-rev pardons almost all questions.

> 
> If I understand your example, I'd have something like this:
> 
> birthYear[1976] = John Jones,Billy Bob,Mary Lou,Manny Mack,Barbie Doll
> birthYear[1977] = Ellie May,Carrie Ann,Andy Ant,Donna Mills,Jackie O
> baseballTeam[Red Sox] = Billy Bob,Manny Mack
> baseballTeam[White Sox] = Barbie Doll,Ellie May

Yes, but you wouldn't want to duplicate everyone's name in 300 places.
Instead you could use the "identifier unique to each individual" you
mentioned before.

> 
> This would produce about 300 arrays.  The [] keys would be virtually
> unlimited.  There might be a couple hundred birthYears for example.

You can use vastly more arrays and keys in Rev than you'll need.

> 
> If I wanted to get all census data for Billy Bob, I'd do a repeat
> loop for each key of each of the 300 arrays to get all info
> pertaining to Billy Bob?  I had not thought of that approach.  It's
> fast?

Mercy, no.  What's fast is the kind of querying you mentioned: retrieving
based on multiple filters.  To make it fast to get everything about Billy
Bob, your app would do some double-entry bookkeeping, maintaining arrays
like this:
  personName[3258] = "Billy Bob"
  birthyear[3258] = 1982
or like this, based on a design that uses an array for each person:
  person_3258["name"]= "Billy Bob"
  person_3258["birthYear"] = 1982
or like this, based on a design that uses a card for each person:
  person["name"] of card 123 = "Billy Bob"
  person["birthYear"] of card 123 = 1982

> 
> To get a list of all Red Sox fans born in 1976, I'd just need to
> intersect the two array/key combos?

Intersecting the values you get from retrieving each array/key combo gives
you the identifiers for all the people who match all your selection
criteria, as many as you care to specify.
  
> 
> Looking for all data on Billy Bob will happen more frequently than
> looking for all Red Sox fans born in 1976.  And it will be common to
> delete Billy Bob from all arrays, or add Billie Jean.  Most of the
> time the primary reference would be to Billy Bob, such as "What is
> Billy Bob's baseball team?" Does that change it?

That enhancement to the problem definition motivates the double-entry
bookkeeping.

> 
> Note that this is not for a database, but for a game where I need to
> track thousands of people each having about 300 pieces of info
> defining them, the defining info will change constantly, and changes
> need to be instantaneous.
> 

Noted.  Still, you could use a database management system in your solution,
even though Rev makes it appealing to roll your own.  Many threads have
addressed the relative merits of the alternatives.  If you have more
questions about rolling your own, I'd be glad to try answering.

> Shari

-- Dick




From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Feb  2 08:33:38 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:33:38 -0600
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <a06020402c3c999fabbda@[192.168.2.38]>
References: <C3C8EF16.29EFC%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<a06020402c3c999fabbda@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <47A47132.2010900@crcom.net>

Shari,

Why are you writing off using a database?  I think you would find that 
for the amount of data you have and the way it's organized, it's going 
to be MUCH faster than anything you can do with arrays and scripts.

For example to select all the Red Sox fans born in 1960 you would write:

SELECT * FROM people WHERE baseballteam='Red Sox' AND birthyear='1960'

To use your example of changing the baseball team:

UPDATE people SET baseballteam='White Sox' WHERE baseballteam='Red Sox' 
AND birthyear='1960'

All you have to do is read the statement above and you know what it 
does.  Databases are designed for exactly this purpose and  to do it in 
a script instead is IMHO, reinventing a very efficient, tested, wheel.

Len Morgan

Shari wrote:
>
> Note that this is not for a database, but for a game where I need to 
> track thousands of people each having about 300 pieces of info 
> defining them, the defining info will change constantly, and changes 
> need to be instantaneous.
>


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Feb  2 08:40:05 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:40:05 -0600
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>	<BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>
	<6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47A472B5.1080406@crcom.net>

Have you tried making the graphic invisible (i.e., set the color to 
transparent and then putting it ON TOP OF the browser window?  If you 
have it behind the widow, only the edges will trigger the mouse message.

Len Morgan

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> I tried the oversized grc but it seems the mouseEnter only happens in 
> the small region between the edge of the grc and the browser object 
> which is only about 10 pixels. Anyway, if you move the mouse too 
> quickly it does not get the message.
>
> Is anyone familiar with revBrowser enough to know the answer to this. 
> I have spent two days trying to figure something out.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> thanks, I'll try the oversized grc and see.
>>
>> catching the html before display might prove too difficult and might 
>> break some pages, i think.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:06 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing neat. I guess you could use an object slightly bigger than the
>>> browser and then use the mouse enter and leave messages? Probably 
>>> the best -
>>> I don't think it would work out but maybe another option is to fetch 
>>> the
>>> html and wrap it in a dummy div before displaying?
>>>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Feb  2 09:31:40 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:31:40 +0100
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>
	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>
	<6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <98107F2F-E0C2-49A8-9CC9-9CFCFA89CC76@economy-x-talk.com>

Tom,

I solved this using the mouseMove message.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 2-feb-2008, om 4:36 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende geschreven:

> I tried the oversized grc but it seems the mouseEnter only happens  
> in the small region between the edge of the grc and the browser  
> object which is only about 10 pixels. Anyway, if you move the mouse  
> too quickly it does not get the message.
>
> Is anyone familiar with revBrowser enough to know the answer to  
> this. I have spent two days trying to figure something out.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Tom
>


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Feb  2 09:37:01 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:37:01 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080202143704.LBCV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I hope quark used its ownership of mTropolis for more than market culling.  I hope they cannibalized the kernal and object library IP.

I am now remembering downloading a test version and finding it icon bar and pallet happy.  I have seen this many times, flooding the user with a gazillion "automatic" functions in attempt to protect the user from having to learn a language and write code.   

The middle-ground approach of an xtalk environment is to leverage the user's skill with natural language.  Other tools attempt to offer up a limited (5 or 6) object primatives which are coaxed towards particularity through automated pacement context cues and user chooseable context menues.

What nobody has tried yet is what i call "logic hinting" which is where the tool is constantly watching over the shoulder of the user: looking for intent in theire super high leval skratches and museings and providing implementation choices (that are backed up with live code).  Why havent we seen this yet... It is a very hard problem... Pretty much defines the line between what has been computing and what will be computing.  Probably requires semantic and meaning capibilities that should be generalized and subsumed into layers much lower in the computational stack.

randall
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com>
To: "Revolution Mail List" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: about Voyager Expanded Books

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I'm not sure what Quark had at the time that was competitive, but
> there was something, hence buying and killing the competition.

Quark Immedia

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sat Feb  2 09:41:00 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:41:00 -0500
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <98107F2F-E0C2-49A8-9CC9-9CFCFA89CC76@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>
	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>
	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>
	<6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>
	<98107F2F-E0C2-49A8-9CC9-9CFCFA89CC76@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <25E419E9-3AED-48F1-A3FD-484BF011871D@comcast.net>

Mark,

Thanks, I tried a few scripts using the mouseMove but I guess I need  
to go back and revisit it. Do you remember if you put that at the  
stack level or card level?


Thanks again,

Tom


On Feb 2, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I solved this using the mouseMove message.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sat Feb  2 09:42:23 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:42:23 -0500
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <47A472B5.1080406@crcom.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>	<BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>
	<6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>
	<47A472B5.1080406@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <3FD2DA95-A00D-4D36-BF8D-8E64BE227413@comcast.net>

Len,

Have you tried this? It seems anything under or over gets overidden by  
the browser object.


Thanks

Tom

On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

> Have you tried making the graphic invisible (i.e., set the color to  
> transparent and then putting it ON TOP OF the browser window?  If  
> you have it behind the widow, only the edges will trigger the mouse  
> message.
>
> Len Morgan
>
> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> I tried the oversized grc but it seems the mouseEnter only happens  
>> in the small region between the edge of the grc and the browser  
>> object which is only about 10 pixels. Anyway, if you move the mouse  
>> too quickly it does not get the message.
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with revBrowser enough to know the answer to  
>> this. I have spent two days trying to figure something out.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Feb  2 09:50:27 2008
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:50:27 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <20080202145030.LNKM25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Am i the only one who thinks it is hilarious when hypercard and its xtalk progeny are refered to as hypertext ore hypermedia environments or tools?  Have you ever tried to emplement a true generlized hyper-linking into your projects or stacks?  There is absolutely no pre-built infrastructure for "hyper" anything in xtalk. None!  Just the word.  The original snow job.  The first "branding" exercise.  Enough b.s. to drive good old ted nelson crazy.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall Lee Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/2/2008 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: about Voyager Expanded Books

I hope quark used its ownership of mTropolis for more than market culling.  I hope they cannibalized the kernal and object library IP.

I am now remembering downloading a test version and finding it icon bar and pallet happy.  I have seen this many times, flooding the user with a gazillion "automatic" functions in attempt to protect the user from having to learn a language and write code.   

The middle-ground approach of an xtalk environment is to leverage the user's skill with natural language.  Other tools attempt to offer up a limited (5 or 6) object primatives which are coaxed towards particularity through automated pacement context cues and user chooseable context menues.

What nobody has tried yet is what i call "logic hinting" which is where the tool is constantly watching over the shoulder of the user: looking for intent in theire super high leval skratches and museings and providing implementation choices (that are backed up with live code).  Why havent we seen this yet... It is a very hard problem... Pretty much defines the line between what has been computing and what will be computing.  Probably requires semantic and meaning capibilities that should be generalized and subsumed into layers much lower in the computational stack.

randall
-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com>
To: "Revolution Mail List" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 2/1/2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: about Voyager Expanded Books

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I'm not sure what Quark had at the time that was competitive, but
> there was something, hence buying and killing the competition.

Quark Immedia

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Sat Feb  2 10:18:11 2008
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:18:11 +0100
Subject: [OT]  Does Sheepshaver work in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <12D91B49-F296-41E0-AF01-645185BE9321@oyfconsulting.com>
References: <0002E2AF.47A328B2@192.168.168.3>
	<12D91B49-F296-41E0-AF01-645185BE9321@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3B83EA24-838E-44BF-AD44-7C638143E380@fiberworld.nl>

Hi Jim,

I have been using it for one app, Claris Cad and I have not
encountered any problems. Don't know about other apps though.

Claudi





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> Hi Folks... I haven't upgraded to Leopard for fear of Sheepshaver  
> not working.  Anybody try it?... Jim
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From shari at gypsyware.com  Sat Feb  2 10:49:11 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:49:11 -0500
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <C3C96CF6.29F14%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C3C96CF6.29F14%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <a06020400c3ca3ac86c38@[192.168.2.38]>

>   personName[3258] = "Billy Bob"
>   birthyear[3258] = 1982
>
>Intersecting the values you get from retrieving each array/key combo gives
>you the identifiers for all the people who match all your selection
>criteria, as many as you care to specify.


I've just about got it.  You gave me a good jumping board, Dick. 
Here's where it sits.  Using one single array (this allows for the 
best ease of use), data is stored as follows:

census[1111,team] = Red Sox
census[2222,team] = Red Sox
census[3333,team] = White Sox
census[1111,city] = Chicago
census[2222,city] = Atlanta
census[3333,city] = Chicago

Now, to get a list of folks that live in Atlanta that are Red Sox 
fans, I did the following:

put census into a
combine a with return and comma
filter a with "*,team,Red Sox"

put census into b
combine b with return and comma
filter b with "*,city,Atlanta"

This gives me:
a =
1111,team,Red Sox
2222,team,Red Sox

b =
2222,city,Atlanta

Can a and b be intersected as is?  (My attempts failed.)  The 
following works beautifully, but is it the most efficient?  Is using 
split/combine/filter to manipulate a giant array faster than a repeat 
loop thru a gigantic list?

   split a by return and comma
   split b by return and comma
   intersect a with b

   combine a with return and comma
   answer a

a =
2222,team,Red Sox

That gave me exactly what I need.  A list of anyone with team(Red 
Sox) and city(Atlanta) with item 1 of each line as the unique 
identifier.

Any efficiency suggestions are welcome :-)

Shari

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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Feb  2 10:51:08 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:51:08 -0600
Subject: RevBrowser Two windows
In-Reply-To: <3FD2DA95-A00D-4D36-BF8D-8E64BE227413@comcast.net>
References: <1FB2E381-4816-4ABC-8D15-6E0859D31ABF@comcast.net>	<945A22C9-3A11-460A-A572-D27E4529B771@comcast.net>	<c1c5836b0802011606g2a46b74dydf2a2a43ff98adbf@mail.gmail.com>	<BD4BE2C9-70E1-4E4E-B697-41991806CCF6@comcast.net>	<6203E945-9E98-4DB9-9519-74A475B73168@comcast.net>	<47A472B5.1080406@crcom.net>
	<3FD2DA95-A00D-4D36-BF8D-8E64BE227413@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47A4916C.2090902@crcom.net>

No I haven't myself but several others on this list have.  If you look 
at the properties of the grc, one of them is either "blendLevel" or 
"transparency" I don't remember which.  By setting this to transparent, 
you see right through it to whatever is underneath but it remains on top 
so IT gets mouse information not the window it's covering.

len



Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Len,
>
> Have you tried this? It seems anything under or over gets overidden by 
> the browser object.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> Have you tried making the graphic invisible (i.e., set the color to 
>> transparent and then putting it ON TOP OF the browser window?  If you 
>> have it behind the widow, only the edges will trigger the mouse message.
>>
>> Len Morgan
>>
>> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> I tried the oversized grc but it seems the mouseEnter only happens 
>>> in the small region between the edge of the grc and the browser 
>>> object which is only about 10 pixels. Anyway, if you move the mouse 
>>> too quickly it does not get the message.
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with revBrowser enough to know the answer to 
>>> this. I have spent two days trying to figure something out.
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>
>


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 11:53:09 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:53:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Background Pattern animation
Message-ID: <500896.12908.qm@web36515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Download the stack Animated Background Pattern:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Animated_Backpattern.zip

This stack shows how to create an animation in the background pattern of controls.

Have a nice weekend!

alejandro



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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Feb  2 12:35:01 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:35:01 +0000
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c3ca3ac86c38@[192.168.2.38]>
References: <C3C96CF6.29F14%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<a06020400c3ca3ac86c38@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <0303AB45-8BDA-420F-B1EC-2D3350EECF65@maseurope.net>

You could try keeping a return-delimited list of all the unique  
individuals in a script local variable "idList", so you could then  
use a repeat loop:

repeat for each line L in idList
  	if census[L,"city"] is "Atlanta" and census[L,"team"] is "Red Sox"  
then put L & cr after tResults
end repeat

I've no idea if this would be faster, but might be worth a try.

Best,

Mark

On 2 Feb 2008, at 15:49, Shari wrote:

>>   personName[3258] = "Billy Bob"
>>   birthyear[3258] = 1982
>>
>> Intersecting the values you get from retrieving each array/key  
>> combo gives
>> you the identifiers for all the people who match all your selection
>> criteria, as many as you care to specify.
>
>
> I've just about got it.  You gave me a good jumping board, Dick.  
> Here's where it sits.  Using one single array (this allows for the  
> best ease of use), data is stored as follows:
>
> census[1111,team] = Red Sox
> census[2222,team] = Red Sox
> census[3333,team] = White Sox
> census[1111,city] = Chicago
> census[2222,city] = Atlanta
> census[3333,city] = Chicago
>
> Now, to get a list of folks that live in Atlanta that are Red Sox  
> fans, I did the following:
>
> put census into a
> combine a with return and comma
> filter a with "*,team,Red Sox"
>
> put census into b
> combine b with return and comma
> filter b with "*,city,Atlanta"
>
> This gives me:
> a =
> 1111,team,Red Sox
> 2222,team,Red Sox
>
> b =
> 2222,city,Atlanta
>
> Can a and b be intersected as is?  (My attempts failed.)  The  
> following works beautifully, but is it the most efficient?  Is  
> using split/combine/filter to manipulate a giant array faster than  
> a repeat loop thru a gigantic list?
>
>   split a by return and comma
>   split b by return and comma
>   intersect a with b
>
>   combine a with return and comma
>   answer a
>
> a =
> 2222,team,Red Sox
>
> That gave me exactly what I need.  A list of anyone with team(Red  
> Sox) and city(Atlanta) with item 1 of each line as the unique  
> identifier.
>
> Any efficiency suggestions are welcome :-)
>
> Shari
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 12:35:47 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:35:47 -0800
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c3ca3ac86c38@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <C3C9E9F3.4BCFE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

What you are doing looks fine.

The speed depends on a few factors, which Richard Gaskin very carefully
studied about month or two ago.   His analysis was thorough and correct, and
his suggestions were right on the mark for optimizing the performance of the
filter command.

Filter works faster if the patterns are simple and operate on the left most
data.  Shorter lines = faster processing.


(suggestion:  never use a variable name that is also reserved word in the
computer language you are using, in this case Rev.)
thus don't use  {  a   item   word  filter  image   btn  fld   }
use "aaa" "bbb" "ccc" "itemm"  "wordd" "fldd" "nonreserved"



Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/2/08 7:49 AM, "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com> wrote:

>>   personName[3258] = "Billy Bob"
>>   birthyear[3258] = 1982
>> 
>> Intersecting the values you get from retrieving each array/key combo gives
>> you the identifiers for all the people who match all your selection
>> criteria, as many as you care to specify.
> 
> 
> I've just about got it.  You gave me a good jumping board, Dick.
> Here's where it sits.  Using one single array (this allows for the
> best ease of use), data is stored as follows:
> 
> census[1111,team] = Red Sox
> census[2222,team] = Red Sox
> census[3333,team] = White Sox
> census[1111,city] = Chicago
> census[2222,city] = Atlanta
> census[3333,city] = Chicago
> 
> Now, to get a list of folks that live in Atlanta that are Red Sox
> fans, I did the following:
> 
> put census into a
> combine a with return and comma
> filter a with "*,team,Red Sox"
> 
> put census into b
> combine b with return and comma
> filter b with "*,city,Atlanta"
> 
> This gives me:
> a =
> 1111,team,Red Sox
> 2222,team,Red Sox
> 
> b =
> 2222,city,Atlanta
> 
> Can a and b be intersected as is?  (My attempts failed.)  The
> following works beautifully, but is it the most efficient?  Is using
> split/combine/filter to manipulate a giant array faster than a repeat
> loop thru a gigantic list?
> 
>    split a by return and comma
>    split b by return and comma
>    intersect a with b
> 
>    combine a with return and comma
>    answer a
> 
> a =
> 2222,team,Red Sox
> 
> That gave me exactly what I need.  A list of anyone with team(Red
> Sox) and city(Atlanta) with item 1 of each line as the unique
> identifier.
> 
> Any efficiency suggestions are welcome :-)
> 
> Shari




From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Sat Feb  2 13:12:26 2008
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:12:26 -0400
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c3c92c306cfa@[192.168.0.89]>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
	<F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
	<F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>
	<p06240806c3c92c306cfa@[192.168.0.89]>
Message-ID: <87FBDF49-37B0-4E82-841C-19D575033E22@oyfconsulting.com>

Bob gave me a copy of the Voyager series, if I recall correctly, it  
was all about the planets or something, which I still have but  
haven't looked at since back then... Jim

On 1-Feb-08, at 4:10 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> At 2:46 PM -0400 2/1/08, Jim Carwardine wrote:
>> I showed it to Bob Stein at his booth and he said, "I can't look  
>> at this.  This looks just like what we are doing."
>
> If that's what he said then it would have been 1992. I programmed  
> the Expanded Books during October and November 1991, and another  
> programmer finished off a couple of features, ready for the release  
> of the first three EBs at that MacWorld.
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Fx. 902.823-2139
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From shari at gypsyware.com  Sat Feb  2 13:17:56 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:17:56 -0500
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
In-Reply-To: <C3C9E9F3.4BCFE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C3C9E9F3.4BCFE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a06020400c3ca6187810a@[192.168.2.38]>

I think I found the tests/discussions you are referring to. 
"Extracting a column" circa Dec 10, 2007.

Where Richard did a comparison speed test between "split" versus 
"repeat for each".

Interesting!


>What you are doing looks fine.
>
>The speed depends on a few factors, which Richard Gaskin very carefully
>studied about month or two ago.   His analysis was thorough and correct, and
>his suggestions were right on the mark for optimizing the performance of the
>filter command.
>
>Filter works faster if the patterns are simple and operate on the left most
>data.  Shorter lines = faster processing.
>
>
>(suggestion:  never use a variable name that is also reserved word in the
>computer language you are using, in this case Rev.)
>thus don't use  {  a   item   word  filter  image   btn  fld   }
>use "aaa" "bbb" "ccc" "itemm"  "wordd" "fldd" "nonreserved"
>
>
>
>Jim Ault
>Las Vegas


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From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Sat Feb  2 13:19:14 2008
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:19:14 -0400
Subject: [OT]  Does Sheepshaver work in Leopard?
In-Reply-To: <3B83EA24-838E-44BF-AD44-7C638143E380@fiberworld.nl>
References: <0002E2AF.47A328B2@192.168.168.3>
	<12D91B49-F296-41E0-AF01-645185BE9321@oyfconsulting.com>
	<3B83EA24-838E-44BF-AD44-7C638143E380@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <282C6027-E313-4996-8554-1AD7EC6D34DA@oyfconsulting.com>

Thanks for the responses... I need to run Macproject and Hypercard,  
among other things... Jim
On 2-Feb-08, at 11:18 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> I have been using it for one app, Claris Cad and I have not
> encountered any problems. Don't know about other apps though.
>
> Claudi
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1-feb-2008, at 19:51, Jim Carwardine wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks... I haven't upgraded to Leopard for fear of Sheepshaver  
>> not working.  Anybody try it?... Jim
>>
>> Jim Carwardine,
>> President & CEO
>> OYF Consulting
>> Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
>> Fx. 902.823-2139
>> <www.StrategicDoing.com>
>> StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
>> Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd.
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>>
>>
>>
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Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
Fx. 902.823-2139
<www.StrategicDoing.com>
StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd.
-- 





From coiin at rcn.com  Sat Feb  2 13:34:08 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:34:08 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <87FBDF49-37B0-4E82-841C-19D575033E22@oyfconsulting.com>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@[192.168.0.89]>
	<F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
	<F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>
	<p06240806c3c92c306cfa@[192.168.0.89]>
	<87FBDF49-37B0-4E82-841C-19D575033E22@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <98B2EA82-88DB-40A3-9B39-5F721505D819@rcn.com>


On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Bob gave me a copy of the Voyager series, if I recall correctly, it  
> was all about the planets or something, which I still have but  
> haven't looked at since back then... Jim

Not sure what the planets thing was. The launch title Expanded Books  
were The Complete Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Jurassic Park, and  
The Complete Annotated Alice. We did about another 60 books over the  
next few years, as well as the Expanded Books Toolkit for making your  
own books, and many CD-ROMs that used the same software (including A  
Hard Day's Night for example).


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat Feb  2 14:29:35 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:29:35 -0500
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 53, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <20080202133346.394BF489C9B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080202133346.394BF489C9B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <46730B72-4DDD-49C5-BF72-D3CB40855326@siphonophore.com>

Back in the big cdrom boom in the 90s we did a cdrom with richie  
sambora on playing rock guitar with mtroplis. had lots of great  
potential and we were in talks with them about some sort of special  
licensing deal to further modify the system (the company i worked for  
came out of cdi and had a lot of high power programmers who saw a lot  
of potential to add onto the product). unfortunately the company  
started having problems and were not finishing off cleaning out the  
deep bugs when we were trying to go golden, the product shipped, but  
it took herculean efforts by the programmers to make it all work.  
thats when i think they soon got snapped up by quark and about the  
same time as the cdrom implosion.

this thread brings back lots of memories! good old toolbook, the  
reason i moved to metacard when it went rocky for awhile and was not  
adding features. sooo glad i looked around and found mc!

A film studio i also worked with also did a video disc & stack with  
Bob and Voyager. We actually were able to impress him with an office  
view as good as his. they had sweet offices in Venice beach just off  
the water with a great view of the beach/ocean. our office was in an  
old cannery sandwiched between the monterey bay aquarium and doc  
ricketts lab! man do i miss that view, looked up from the computer  
screen to look down the whole length of cannery row on the water side!

Did you guys ever meet Bob's precocious son? He hung out with us for a  
week or so, sharp kid of about 12, but knew hypercard and hypertalk  
forwards and backwards!

Anyone here hang out at the apple media lab in the late 80s early 90s?  
nother trip. headdy days when laserdiscs were still all the rage and  
the concept of digital videos and quicktime were just taking root! hd  
meant betasp/480i! 44mb syquest cartridges were a marvel! we use to  
walk 10 miles to school in the snow and 20 miles home in bare feet...

cheers,

jeff reynolds


On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:33 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Voyager had it, and did one CD-ROM using it (not done by me). That was
> Fun With Architecture, and mTropolis was chosen because the program
> needed to have a lot of building pieces on screen at once, and
> Director was limited to 48 at the time. I used it for some
> prototyping, I also entered the competition they had before it was
> released, where you had to create a project in a save-disabled version
> of the program, and send that in (try to work that out!). I won a tee-
> shirt for my entry. I only know of two other commercial CD-ROMs done
> with it, Muppet Treasure Island, and Obsidian, both of which were
> impressive.
>
> I'm not sure what Quark had at the time that was competitive, but
> there was something, hence buying and killing the competition. This
> was all pre-OS X, so although I have copies kicking around, I can't
> easily run it. I'm not even sure it ran in OS 9. I'll try at work some
> time.



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat Feb  2 14:41:42 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:41:42 -0500
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
In-Reply-To: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>

Has anyone tried using rev to playback 720p sized mpeg video? was  
toying with the idea of trying it with rev and quicktime to see if rev  
and quicktime could handle this with any robustness. hd mpeg playback  
solutions out there have a lot of limitations if you want to try and  
control them. The idea would be to just run a simple rev application  
on a mac mini that would just play back 720p60 mpeg files via controls  
set to it by tcpip from another computer.

the mpeg playback solutions out there have several limitations. there  
are simpler systems based on flash memory that you can send serial  
commands to control, but the compact flash storage limits the amount  
of video you can store. Hard drived based mpeg players dont have any  
control apis that you can access to tell them what to play when. there  
is one option, the adtec edge 4111, but its very expensive and a bit  
clunky on the software side.

The advantages to the mpeg boxes is that most of them will just keep  
playing back files all day long and never lock up. downside is control  
is missing on most, limited storage on some, and flavors of mpeg files  
they will use is limited and playback color/detail is variable.

the advantage to a rev solution would be total control and access to  
all the flavors of h264 mov compression to get great quality and good  
sizes w/o having to go through a lot of hoops. downside is not sure  
how well the system would hold up to getting playback requests all day  
long.

just wondering if anyone has torture tested rev playback like this of  
larger movie files with quicktime on the mac.

cheers,

jeff reynolds


From coiin at rcn.com  Sat Feb  2 14:48:53 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:48:53 -0500
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 53, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <46730B72-4DDD-49C5-BF72-D3CB40855326@siphonophore.com>
References: <20080202133346.394BF489C9B@mail.runrev.com>
	<46730B72-4DDD-49C5-BF72-D3CB40855326@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <5D5D67A3-9C1A-4121-B448-4845DD88C761@rcn.com>


On Feb 2, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Did you guys ever meet Bob's precocious son? He hung out with us for  
> a week or so, sharp kid of about 12, but knew hypercard and  
> hypertalk forwards and backwards!

Murphy was always smart, as well as precocious. He was the producer on  
the Voyager CD-ROM "A World Alive", which I helped him to program.  
It's many years later, and he's a producer at Scholastic in NYC now  
(or at least was the last time I saw him).

The Voyager offices was in Santa Monica, not Venice, a few hundred  
yards north of the pier. I used to go there on vacation before I  
finally moved there from England to work for them. Although it was  
only about 10 seconds walk from the office door to the sand, I didn't  
make it onto the beach until six months after I got there, because I  
was busy programming the EB Toolkit software. If you're busy you're  
busy, no matter how nice it looks outside!


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb  2 14:53:18 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:53:18 -0600
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
In-Reply-To: <8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>
References: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>
	<8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <47A4CA2E.8@hyperactivesw.com>

Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> Has anyone tried using rev to playback 720p sized mpeg video? was toying 
> with the idea of trying it with rev and quicktime to see if rev and 
> quicktime could handle this with any robustness. hd mpeg playback 
> solutions out there have a lot of limitations if you want to try and 
> control them. The idea would be to just run a simple rev application on 
> a mac mini that would just play back 720p60 mpeg files via controls set 
> to it by tcpip from another computer.

Yes, it works fine. Haven't torture-tested it with all-day playback 
though. One of my clients is the TeachMac producer, and it uses 720p 
mpeg H264 movies. <http://www.teachmac.com>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Feb  2 15:15:41 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:15:41 +0100
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
In-Reply-To: <47A4CA2E.8@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>
	<8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>
	<47A4CA2E.8@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <468FA415-0FF3-4833-8EA5-DEB6EB1A13E2@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Yes, it works fine. Haven't torture-tested it with all-day playback  
> though. One of my clients is the TeachMac producer, and it uses  
> 720p mpeg H264 movies. <http://www.teachmac.com>

I just looked at the demo on that web page.

Am I correct in thinking that teachmac uses a built-in payment system  
with Kagi?

IOW - one can purchase via the teachmac  standalone and not need to  
proceed to a web page
to purchase? Can you comment on how that is done?


sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ClipaSearch Pro
http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Sat Feb  2 15:34:01 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:34:01 -0500
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
In-Reply-To: <8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>
References: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>
	<8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <383D776F-13EA-4633-BAC1-76342A143DDE@rpsystems.net>


On Feb 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Hard drived based mpeg players dont have any control apis that you  
> can access to tell them what to play when. there is one option, the  
> adtec edge 4111, but its very expensive and a bit clunky on the  
> software side.

An somewhat older product of ours, gave the best of both worlds,  
robust playback, elegant control.

<http://www.rpsystems.net/fathom/>

Fathom is written in Revolution, BTW.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From katir at hindu.org  Sat Feb  2 20:56:16 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -1000
Subject: [ANN] Movie Finder Demo Posted
In-Reply-To: <C3C7DFAE.381F1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3C7DFAE.381F1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <47A51F40.7050801@hindu.org>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>   
>> The list doesn't hilite correctly on PC, but it works just fine.
>>     
>
> Yeah, what's up with that?  It's just linkText.  Is that a Windows bug?
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
>
>   

Hmm... I don't see the orig ANN.. Postini may have swallowed it... what 
the URL?




From katir at hindu.org  Sat Feb  2 20:58:36 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:58:36 -1000
Subject: PDF within a stack?
In-Reply-To: <C3C7A17F.381E2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3C7A17F.381E2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <47A51FCC.6090905@hindu.org>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
>
>   
>> is it possible to include a PDF within a stackfile on cd under windows?
>>     
>
>   

if you don't mind letting the user out of your environment, there are 
routines that boot the PDF in Acrobat are well established and "just 
work" pretty much anywhere...


> If you want to embed the PDF data in a stack you could store the PDF as
> binary in a custom property.  Something like:
>
>  set the uPDFdata of this stack to url ("binfile:" & pathToOrigPDF)
>
>
>   
>> I want the user to enter a password, if the password is correct the pdf file
>> should either be saved to harddisk or openend. Is this possible?
>>     
>
> Once the user is granted access, you write out the PDF data to the drive.
> To get the PDF to display within Rev, you will need to use the revBrowser
> external (it is also possible to use a player object to display a PDF, but
> this method is not without its difficulties).  If the PDF doesn't need to
> display within your stack, you could simply launch it once it has been
> copied to the drive.
>
> If you want to minimize easy access to the PDF itself, you might be able to
> write the file to Rev's temp directory (untested).
>
>  put the tempName into pdfPath
>  set itemdel to "/"
>  put "private.pdf" into last item of pdfPath
>  put the uPDFdata of this stack into url ("binfile:" & pdfPath)
>
> HTH.
>
> Regards,
>
>   

If yo u



From katir at hindu.org  Sat Feb  2 21:21:24 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:21:24 -1000
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <20080202145030.LNKM25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20080202145030.LNKM25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <47A52524.5020808@hindu.org>


As for Quark: they "ate us alive" (10's M's of $ over * of years, for -2 
new features +3 new bugs) until we escaped into the only slightly more 
benevolent world of Adobe CS. Re buy and kill off.. mTropolis, not a big 
loss (we have Revolution) much greater tragedy was MS killing  "Living 
Cells" Now *that* was a truly new species of software that was made 
extinct before it even got on it's legs.



Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
> Am i the only one who thinks it is hilarious when hypercard and its xtalk progeny are refered to as hypertext ore hypermedia environments or tools?  Have you ever tried to emplement a true generlized hyper-linking into your projects or stacks?  There is absolutely no pre-built infrastructure for "hyper" anything in xtalk. None!  Just the word.  The original snow job.  The first "branding" exercise.  Enough b.s. to drive good old ted nelson crazy.
>
> randall
>   
ummm I guess it depends on your definition of Hyperlinking...

"Have you ever tried to emplement a true generalized hyper-linking into 
your projects or stacks?"

Yes and my guess is so have many other's here... it's like, what...  5 
lines of code? Of course "generalized hyper-linking" is not a 
specification. I must have 20-30 different implementations of hyper 
linking... depends on what you want to do...

I've been dynamically locking field in my on PIM for years and then 
doing stuff with the clicktext of links.
there are any number of variations of what was probably one of the most 
obvious uses of "hypertext" from the day I first open Hybercard in 1983 
(or was it 86?... can't remember)  it always qualified as "hypertext" to 
me...

global gLastLineHandled

on mouseDown
  if controlkey()="Down" then
  set the locktext of the target to true
  set the traversalOn of the target to false
    choose browse tool
  end if
end mouseDown

on mouseup
  if the hilite of btn "organize" then put word 2 of the clickline into 
gLastLineHandled
  if optionkey()="Down" then
    set the locktext of the target to false
    set the traversalOn of the target to true
  else
    pass mouseup
  end if
end mouseup
on linkClicked tSubject
  findLinkedItems tSubject
  put  tSubject into gLastLink
end linkClicked

on makeLink
  if the selection is empty then
    answer "You need to select something." with "OK"
    exit makeLink
  else
    put the selection into jai
    set the textstyle of the selection to link
    open stack "Linked Entries"
    if exists (card jai)  then
    exit makeLink
    else
   new card
    put jai into fld "Subject"
    set the name of this card to fld "subject"
    send upDateIndex to stack "linked Entries"
    end if
  end if
end makeLink

though, now, it looks like OmniFocus is a product that actually beats my 
own PIM......









From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Feb  2 21:57:46 2008
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:57:46 -0600
Subject: Escaping shell script paths (was: Photo Processing , Gallery
 and IPTC Data app)
In-Reply-To: <7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4793F6B7.70904@hindu.org>
	<AA6CAC60-E9AD-4FB2-BF40-720B4E87D009@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4798E6B8.1030706@hindu.org>
	<90FCE9D7-EE62-4D5F-BA62-B1D15F9E07E0@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4799470D.5020305@hindu.org>
	<83D7DF31-20D3-45FC-9C3B-EDA2DB4D2D79@azurevision.co.uk>
	<479C0ED6.1080500@hindu.org>
	<33B1E640-A359-4491-93B5-81A5F86F4D32@azurevision.co.uk>
	<7741A774-4B26-4AEA-ABAF-A4C6DB8A95A9@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20080202205746018819.4402b4be@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:52:28 +1000, Ian Wood wrote:

> Oops. Just discovered that the above function doesn't cope with file 
> paths that contain any kind of quote mark.
> 
> The following function should work better, escaping characters rather 
> than putting quote marks around the whole path.

Here's the function I use, which works for both Mac and Windows:

function stsFormatPath pPath,pPlatform
  -- assumes a full "/"-delimited path
  switch pPlatform
  case "MacOSX"
  case "Unix"
    put "\" & space & quote & "'`<>!;()[]?#$^&*=" into tSpecialChars
    repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
      replace tChar with ("\" & tChar) in pPath
    end repeat
    break
  case "Win32"
    set the itemDel to "/"
    put item -1 of pPath into tFile
    put "\/:*?" & quote & "<>|" into tSpecialChars
    repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
      replace tChar with ("-") in tFile
    end repeat
    put tFile into item -1 of pPath
    replace "/" with "\" in pPath
    break
  end switch
  return pPath
end stsFormatPath

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb  3 03:11:26 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:11:26 +0000
Subject: Filtering array vs plain list
Message-ID: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Len Morgan wrote

> Why are you writing off using a database?  I think you would find that
> for the amount of data you have and the way it's organized, it's going
> to be MUCH faster than anything you can do with arrays and scripts.
>
> For example to select all the Red Sox fans born in 1960 you would write:
>
> SELECT * FROM people WHERE baseballteam='Red Sox' AND birthyear='1960'
>
> To use your example of changing the baseball team:
>
> UPDATE people SET baseballteam='White Sox' WHERE baseballteam='Red Sox'
> AND birthyear='1960'


And the scales fell from his eyes and Lo, he could see!  Thanks.

What the database actually is giving you is a much more powerful filter 
command.  Filter is great but it doesn't do columns.  Its great but doesn't 
do real regex, only wildcards.  Yes indeed, why reinvent the wheel, just 
figure out the database commands.  If it were awk it might be different, 
where in effect you have a sort of built-in implicit filter with column 
addressing.  But in Rev sqlite has to be the way to go.  

I sort of half knew this from using filter and switch to get reports done, 
which does work, but it runs to several pages to do quite simple things, but 
hadn't got it explicitly till reading this comment.

Peter


From shari at gypsyware.com  Sun Feb  3 09:40:01 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:40:01 -0500
Subject: Database vs Array (was: Filtering array vs plain list)
In-Reply-To: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@[192.168.2.38]>

Truthfully I've not considered databases.  I've never worked with 
one.  So I have NO concept of how you'd use one, install one, make it 
work for lots of folks with lots of computers, etc.

Here are my assumptions and questions, based on no actual knowledge. 
I know you will all correct the bad ones :-)  And I will learn 
something new :-)

1.  Would the user need to install something extra to use it?  If so, 
would it be a separate program from my app that I would have to deal 
with tech support if the user upgrades his system?  Thousands of 
people download my apps from around the world, so added tech support 
is a big bad.

2.  Is there a way to make it * part * of my app, running for both 
Mac and Windows without a bunch of hoo hah from me?  I don't use 
installers.  My apps are designed to launch, and create any separate 
files they need during initial launch.  Stacks that need to be 
updated (i.e. preferences, saved games, etc.) are stored compressed 
in custom properties, and on initial launch decompressed and saved to 
a writeable location.  That becomes the permanent prefs file or save 
file or whatever (which is what the database would be).  (Used to be 
able to just stick them in the program's folder but with all the new 
security issues, computers can't write to that location anymore :-( 
Can I do this with a database file?

3.  Can it be protected?

4.  Whereas filtering will happen and needs to be super fast, the 
most common thing I will be doing is changing the data as follows:

put "1286,5900,3422,9984" into myVar # this won't be done in one 
line, but as parts of other handlers

repeat for each item x in myVar
   subtract random(variable2) from myArray[x,cattledog]
   if myArray[x,cattledog] < 0 then
       doSomething
    end if
end repeat

This type of code will be the most common.  Also, moving data from 
cell to cell.  It must perceive columns and rows, and be able to move 
the data from myArray[23,67] to myArray[55,90].  Or at least my code 
needs to be able to think this way.

Can a database do this?  Pardon the question, I honestly don't know. 
Have never looked into the guts of a database :-)  It is alien 
technology to me :-)

(For anybody wondering the cattledog reference, our newest dog pound 
adoptee is an Australian Cattle Dog/Husky mix.  She's the apple of my 
eye and the biggest brat to boot.)

Shari



>  > Why are you writing off using a database?  I think you would find that
>>  for the amount of data you have and the way it's organized, it's going
>>  to be MUCH faster than anything you can do with arrays and scripts.
>>
>>  For example to select all the Red Sox fans born in 1960 you would write:
>>
>>  SELECT * FROM people WHERE baseballteam='Red Sox' AND birthyear='1960'
>>
>>  To use your example of changing the baseball team:
>>
>>  UPDATE people SET baseballteam='White Sox' WHERE baseballteam='Red Sox'
>>  AND birthyear='1960'
>
>
>And the scales fell from his eyes and Lo, he could see!  Thanks.
>
>What the database actually is giving you is a much more powerful filter
>command.  Filter is great but it doesn't do columns.  Its great but doesn't
>do real regex, only wildcards.  Yes indeed, why reinvent the wheel, just
>figure out the database commands.  If it were awk it might be different,
>where in effect you have a sort of built-in implicit filter with column
>addressing.  But in Rev sqlite has to be the way to go. 
>
>I sort of half knew this from using filter and switch to get reports done,
>which does work, but it runs to several pages to do quite simple things, but
>hadn't got it explicitly till reading this comment.
>
>Peter


-- 
WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games
BIackjack GoId
http://www.gypsyware.com


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Sun Feb  3 12:02:36 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:02:36 +0100
Subject: Database vs Array (was: Filtering array vs plain list)
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@[192.168.2.38]>
References: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <5B0977D7-058B-41D3-81F6-1287F2910F9E@free.fr>

Hi Shari ,


> Truthfully I've not considered databases.  I've never worked with  
> one.  So I have NO concept of how you'd use one, install one, make  
> it work for lots of folks with lots of computers, etc.

May be it's interesting to read this tutorial on SQL:

      http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp

There, you will have an understanding of
accesssing and manipulating databases....

and Revolution and SQL love each others :-)

HTH,
Regards,
Thierry



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Feb  3 13:21:24 2008
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:21:24 +0100
Subject: rotating and scaling images in Win32 (was ITPC, Exif *.*)
Message-ID: <47A60624.1090909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Feb 1, 2008, Andre Garzia andre at andregarzia.com wrote:
 

> Aloha Friends,
>
> I am creating a little photo selection application that allow
> contributors to quickly select photos and do some basic editing
> (rotation, scaling). Revolution is great for working with images but
> when doing batch processing it simply takes too long. Creating
> thumbnails for 80 images/4 mb each takes lots of minutes.



I am a bit late in responding to this post, but maybe my reply is still 
helpful.

The time needed to produce thumbnails  certainly depends on the image 
format used. With JPG-images using Revolution would probably be 
sufficiently fast; I so far did not test other formats.

Using my stack "ThumbsAndSlides" takes 300 milliseconds for each 
3-megapixel image (then about 700 Kbyte in size on the harddisk) and 600 
milliseconds for each 6-megapixel image needing 3 MB.

In the case of the 6-megapixel images thumb-producing time would then be 
48 seconds for a total of 80 images.

The thumb-producing process includes proportional scaling - in case 
image size deviates from 4-to-3 ratio - and extracting and displaying 
the image name and modification date.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb  3 13:37:00 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:37:00 -0600
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
In-Reply-To: <468FA415-0FF3-4833-8EA5-DEB6EB1A13E2@ezpzapps.com>
References: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>	<8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>	<47A4CA2E.8@hyperactivesw.com>
	<468FA415-0FF3-4833-8EA5-DEB6EB1A13E2@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <47A609CC.3080800@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Sims wrote:

> Am I correct in thinking that teachmac uses a built-in payment system 
> with Kagi?
> 
> IOW - one can purchase via the teachmac  standalone and not need to 
> proceed to a web page
> to purchase? Can you comment on how that is done?

Yes, that's right. Kagi provides an interface in C++ (the KRM module.) 
We hired Brian Yennie to wrap that into a Rev external which works very 
well.

If you are interested, write me offlist and I'll ask my client if he is 
open to selling or licensing it. The external's legal rights belong to 
him but he's very flexible.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 13:48:26 2008
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:48:26 -0600
Subject: Books?
In-Reply-To: <47A609CC.3080800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20080202180004.288B2489CE5@mail.runrev.com>	<8E4D543A-E9D6-44B9-A51F-5229475FEEEA@siphonophore.com>	<47A4CA2E.8@hyperactivesw.com>
	<468FA415-0FF3-4833-8EA5-DEB6EB1A13E2@ezpzapps.com>
	<47A609CC.3080800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <ECD5CD8F-329B-4710-8ED2-D2740CA1C8F2@gmail.com>

Have any good books on Rev/Transcript been published, or is everyone  
still using old HyperCard/Talk books as references?

J.



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sun Feb  3 15:07:39 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:07:39 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <20080203180005.34A6F488FF5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080203180005.34A6F488FF5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8DEDABCD-2018-4849-A6D8-0FA75B9A5CC5@siphonophore.com>

Colin,

Murph! thanks could not remember his name. It was the A World Alive  
project we were doing with him, it was sea studio's film and i was  
helping him pull all the parts together at the studio.. Glad to hear  
hes a producer now with scholastic!

Sorry, i got it confused with another media guy we were working with  
in Venice beach. I think thats why bob liked Sea Studios digs, you  
just had to go out the side door to be over the water, but you oouldnt  
get to it to play!  it was a 20' drop to the water for us and the  
studio cat was the only one who did that when he missed diving for sea  
gulls and i would have to climb down to fish him off the rocks...  
Santa Monica had a bit warmer weather and water than we did though.

cheers,

jeff


On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>> Did you guys ever meet Bob's precocious son? He hung out with us for
>> a week or so, sharp kid of about 12, but knew hypercard and
>> hypertalk forwards and backwards!
>
> Murphy was always smart, as well as precocious. He was the producer on
> the Voyager CD-ROM "A World Alive", which I helped him to program.
> It's many years later, and he's a producer at Scholastic in NYC now
> (or at least was the last time I saw him).
>
> The Voyager offices was in Santa Monica, not Venice, a few hundred
> yards north of the pier. I used to go there on vacation before I
> finally moved there from England to work for them. Although it was
> only about 10 seconds walk from the office door to the sand, I didn't
> make it onto the beach until six months after I got there, because I
> was busy programming the EB Toolkit software. If you're busy you're
> busy, no matter how nice it looks outside!




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 17:35:26 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:35:26 +1000
Subject: Database vs Array (was: Filtering array vs plain list)
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@192.168.2.38>
References: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@192.168.2.38>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802031435s2791aa71w4f444212d2897afb@mail.gmail.com>

> 1.  Would the user need to install something extra to use it?  If so,
> would it be a separate program from my app that I would have to deal
> with tech support if the user upgrades his system?  Thousands of
> people download my apps from around the world, so added tech support
> is a big bad.

SQLite is now part of Revolution, so your users would not need to
install anything extra. However it would be adding a new library to
your app which might need tech support.

> 2.  Is there a way to make it * part * of my app, running for both
> Mac and Windows without a bunch of hoo hah from me?  I don't use
> installers.  My apps are designed to launch, and create any separate
> files they need during initial launch.  Stacks that need to be
> updated (i.e. preferences, saved games, etc.) are stored compressed
> in custom properties, and on initial launch decompressed and saved to
> a writeable location.  That becomes the permanent prefs file or save
> file or whatever (which is what the database would be).  (Used to be
> able to just stick them in the program's folder but with all the new
> security issues, computers can't write to that location anymore :-(
> Can I do this with a database file?

You will need to include the database library with your app. On Mac OS
X that's not a problem as it can be part of the application bundle. On
Windows, it is a separate dll file which usually means an installer,
although I don't see why you couldn't store the dll in a custom
property and save it out to disk when the app first runs. The data
itself would be a separate file so would need to be stored and saved
as you do your prefs.

> 3.  Can it be protected?

Don't know. The SQLite data files can be opened in a text editor and
while they contain binary data, the text data is there in readable
form.

> 4.  Whereas filtering will happen and needs to be super fast, the
> most common thing I will be doing is changing the data as follows:
>
> put "1286,5900,3422,9984" into myVar # this won't be done in one
> line, but as parts of other handlers
>
> repeat for each item x in myVar
>    subtract random(variable2) from myArray[x,cattledog]
>    if myArray[x,cattledog] < 0 then
>        doSomething
>     end if
> end repeat
>
> This type of code will be the most common.  Also, moving data from
> cell to cell.  It must perceive columns and rows, and be able to move
> the data from myArray[23,67] to myArray[55,90].  Or at least my code
> needs to be able to think this way.

While searching for all Red Sox fans born in a certain year sounded
more like a database candidate, this example sounds more suited to an
array or even to tab-delimited text.

I must say that I have a fondness for tab-delimited text. It can
easily be turned into an array temporarily for speed, but it is very
simple in concept and therefore easier to program. You can write
dedicated functions to retrieve, set or edit specific portions of the
data. Filtering is a good method of doing a rough find which can then
be refined by looping through all the remaining entries. If the first
item on each line is a unique ID number, then it is easy to work out
which line you are operating on, even after a filter.

Cheers,
Sarah


From adsmd1 at optonline.net  Sun Feb  3 23:50:45 2008
From: adsmd1 at optonline.net (Alan Simon)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:50:45 -0500
Subject: read CHM files?
Message-ID: <D2BC5492-F9D3-4326-AB9E-5A8754BE8FB6@optonline.net>

I am in need of a method to read compiled HTML help files (CHM files)  
or to extract the text from them.  Has anyone seen a script or an  
extension that can do that from within Rev?

Thanks,

Alan Simon



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon Feb  4 05:42:02 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:42:02 +0200
Subject: Database vs Array
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802031435s2791aa71w4f444212d2897afb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@192.168.2.38>
	<f99b52860802031435s2791aa71w4f444212d2897afb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A6EBFA.1070208@ekoinf.net>

3.  Can it be protected?

Ye, but it is not a free feature. Check this:
http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/prosupport.html#crypto
http://sqlitee.homepc.it/
http://www.sqlite-crypt.com/

On the other hand you can use revolution to encode/decode data before it gets into the database and when extracting...

Best wishes
Viktoras




From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Feb  4 06:29:27 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:29:27 +0000
Subject: read CHM files?
In-Reply-To: <D2BC5492-F9D3-4326-AB9E-5A8754BE8FB6@optonline.net>
References: <D2BC5492-F9D3-4326-AB9E-5A8754BE8FB6@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <8FB9B0C8-D9C4-41C1-92EE-48AB37958D3D@maseurope.net>

Alan, there seem to be a number of tools for this, some are command  
line tools that could be used within rev. Have a look here:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compressed_HTML_Help

Best,

Mark
On 4 Feb 2008, at 04:50, Alan Simon wrote:

> I am in need of a method to read compiled HTML help files (CHM  
> files) or to extract the text from them.  Has anyone seen a script  
> or an extension that can do that from within Rev?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan Simon
>
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Feb  4 10:51:22 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 07:51:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: External functions
Message-ID: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I'm programming a stack to help to create webpages with products using the
one free shopping cart  processor. I like to share some functions to access
databases. How is the best way? Use libraries, frontscript,... How I must
organize my project at stacks level.

s_main.rev <-- Main Stack
  s_add_product <-- Substack of s_main
  s_add_family <-- Substack of s_main
  s_add_customer <-- Substack of s_main

  s_lib_functions.rev <-- Stack with functions

Is a good organization? Some other way to do the same?

Cheers,
Josep M



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From gefisher at mac.com  Mon Feb  4 11:00:47 2008
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:00:47 -0600
Subject: An:Flow Analysis upload
Message-ID: <C32EB0A9-CA30-4721-907A-55C38DD61821@mac.com>

All,

I finally got my old "Flow Analysis" HyperCard stack converted  
(actually rewritten) to Rev and uploaded it to Rev OnLine in category  
Education for your viewing and use.

Have fun with it,
Glenn

--
Glenn E. Fisher	University of Houston - Retired
22402 Diane Dr.	Spring, Tx 77373
gefisher at mac.com	http://www.uh.edu/~fisher
http://home.comcast.net/~glennefisher/
http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher




From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Feb  4 11:22:03 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:22:03 -0200
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802040822x770c9db2t2430797c102886bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Josep,

there is no definitive answer for this, what I use is to create a
generic stack where I put my code that can be re-used then on the
application stack I built the application specific code on top of that
generic code.

Thats how I like working.

:-D

On 2/4/08, Josep <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm programming a stack to help to create webpages with products using the
> one free shopping cart  processor. I like to share some functions to access
> databases. How is the best way? Use libraries, frontscript,... How I must
> organize my project at stacks level.
>
> s_main.rev <-- Main Stack
>   s_add_product <-- Substack of s_main
>   s_add_family <-- Substack of s_main
>   s_add_customer <-- Substack of s_main
>
>   s_lib_functions.rev <-- Stack with functions
>
> Is a good organization? Some other way to do the same?
>
> Cheers,
> Josep M
>
>
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb  4 11:27:52 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:27:52 -0500
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Josep wrote:

> I'm programming a stack to help to create webpages with products  
> using the
> one free shopping cart  processor. I like to share some functions to  
> access
> databases. How is the best way? Use libraries, frontscript,... How I  
> must
> organize my project at stacks level.
>
> s_main.rev <-- Main Stack
>  s_add_product <-- Substack of s_main
>  s_add_family <-- Substack of s_main
>  s_add_customer <-- Substack of s_main
>
>  s_lib_functions.rev <-- Stack with functions
>
> Is a good organization?

Your design looks fine. I prefer the library approach which means you  
would "start using" the s_lib_functions.rev stack so it is available  
to all scripts. Libraries usually make the most sense for general  
handlers you want to be globally available.

> Some other way to do the same?

You could make s_lib_functions.rev a substack of s_main.rev. If you  
have more than one library stack you could also create a  
"libraries.rev" stack on disk and make s_lib_functions a substack of  
the library stack. In the end you would get the same result though.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb  4 11:30:08 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:30:08 -0800
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
Message-ID: <47A73D90.1070308@fourthworld.com>

Troy Rollins wrote:
> An somewhat older product of ours, gave the best of both worlds,  
> robust playback, elegant control.
> 
> <http://www.rpsystems.net/fathom/>
> 
> Fathom is written in Revolution, BTW.

That's a damn good-looking app, Troy.

Have you considered submitting it for Rev to add to their Case Studies 
page?:
<http://www.runrev.com/section/case_studies/>

Fathom's clean, professional look reflects well on Rev.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 11:38:12 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:38:12 +0100
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Trevor and Josep,

Le 4 f?vr. 08 ? 17:27, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> You could make s_lib_functions.rev a substack of s_main.rev. If you  
> have more than one library stack you could also create a  
> "libraries.rev" stack on disk and make s_lib_functions a substack  
> of the library stack. In the end you would get the same result though.

In complex projects that are known as needing future upgrades, I  
prefer to have libraries, externals, pieces of the GUI, etc. in  
specific folders.
Then, any component can be easily updated from the web when needed.
My two cents ;-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Feb  4 11:59:10 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:59:10 -0800
Subject: Stacks In Use
In-Reply-To: <788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c3ccf1add86d@[192.168.1.70]>

There was a discussion about ID limits in Rev.... how about this 
question for those that have done large applications:

Does adding more stacks using 'stacks in use' put a bigger load or 
delay on the message path at some point, and what would that be? The 
same goes for individual stack script lengths. As my project has many 
stacks in use but has grown over time it's hard to notice the 
difference.

I try to not let stack scripts get much larger than 150k characters, 
otherwise editing becomes much slower. (I also use GLX2 which handles 
these scripts fine.) But is there a downside with too many stacks or 
too long a script? (yes I know about the scriptlimits and stacks in 
use limits in standaloneland) .


sqb
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Mon Feb  4 12:03:29 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:03:29 -0500
Subject: Rev as a HD media player?
In-Reply-To: <47A73D90.1070308@fourthworld.com>
References: <47A73D90.1070308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A5864308-D1AF-4420-8C4D-3876CFD5CCB6@rpsystems.net>


On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> That's a damn good-looking app, Troy.
>
> Have you considered submitting it for Rev to add to their Case  
> Studies page?:
> <http://www.runrev.com/section/case_studies/>
>
> Fathom's clean, professional look reflects well on Rev.

Thanks. We worked hard at the look and feel, and making a complex  
process come off both visual and intuitive.

As for the case study page, I think Fathom was part of it for a while.  
I'm not sure what happened to that.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb  4 12:23:20 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:23:20 -0500
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> In complex projects that are known as needing future upgrades, I  
> prefer to have libraries, externals, pieces of the GUI, etc. in  
> specific folders.
> Then, any component can be easily updated from the web when needed.
> My two cents ;-)

Eric, your mention of updating an app over the web and organizing  
individual pieces into their own separate folders brings to mind some  
issues I've been thinking about recently in regards to auto updating.  
So in the interest of sharing some additional thoughts on the subject  
of auto updating, here they are.

When I originally implemented auto updating in one of my applications  
I would create updates that only updated specific stacks in the  
installation. I thought it was really cool that Revolution could  
update any stack on the fly and then just reload without restarting  
the application. That application has been around for a number of  
years now and has received numerous updates.

What I found was that this approach ended up being more complex then I  
would have liked as I had to determine which stacks had been changed  
since the last version and then only include them in the update I  
pushed out.

I decided I wanted an auto update architecture that required as little  
thinking as possible come publish time. Add some release notes, click  
a button and upload the files. I didn't want to have to keep a log  
each time a script changed anywhere in a stack so that I would  
remember to update it when I pushed out the next version. I also  
wanted to have an exact snapshot of every file in the installation for  
each release so that I could be look at the exact same code that was  
running on the end-user machine if they report a problem with version  
1.2.3.

So when I revised my auto update architecture I designed it so I could  
push out:

a) new program files (stacks, externals, supporting docs, etc.) or
b) just the executable files (to push out engine bug fixes) or
c) both a and b.

This was much simpler to deal with on my end and it made me feel good  
inside that I wasn't making the user download the ~2MB engine each  
time if they didn't need to. Since I was no longer updating the  
application at the stack level I wasn't as concerned with splitting up  
stacks into different files on disk.

I've now been using this update architecture for a little over a year  
now. Over that year I've seen a number of users write in thinking that  
they weren't running the latest update because the File Info dialog  
for the executable said 1.x instead of 1.x.x (The about box does  
report the proper version though).

So now I'm of the mind to always update the entire application  
whenever I push out a new public release for a consumer application. I  
can still provide the benefit of the app updating itself and  
relaunching with no intervention and there is less room for confusion  
as to what version they are running since the File Info dialog for the  
executable reports the proper version. I figure a couple of extra  
seconds (or minutes depending on connection speed) to download  
everything is worth it in the end.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Feb  4 12:50:47 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:50:47 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
References: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>

Colin-

> released, where you had to create a project in a save-disabled version  of 
> the program, and send that in (try to work that out!). I won a tee-

...all right - I'll bite. How in the world did you manage that?

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Feb  4 13:02:39 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:02:39 -0500
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>
	<fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <EFDC8F5B-122A-44E4-A3D5-9F08F89B78AA@rcn.com>


On Feb 4, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> released, where you had to create a project in a save-disabled  
>> version  of
>> the program, and send that in (try to work that out!). I won a tee-
>
> ...all right - I'll bite. How in the world did you manage that?


mTropolis could publish in various ways, and the save disabled one  
would not let you save a project, but you could publish out a playback  
only version. This meant you had to do something interesting in one  
sitting (these days I wouldn't be surprised about a program staying  
open for days, but those were the days when that wasn't so likely, and  
you needed real RAM to have lots of programs open). The competition  
was held before the release of v1.0 of the program, and so it was with  
a beta version. I set about doing the thing I had in mind, and after  
about four hours of working on it the application crashed. I started  
from scratch, but was nicely warmed up now, and managed to redo the  
work, and finish off, in about 2 1/2 hours, and then I published the  
read only one and sent that in. The source file literally never existed!


From wow at together.net  Mon Feb  4 14:09:57 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:09:57 -0500
Subject: Finding a specific Windows volume
In-Reply-To: <fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>
	<fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1BDD29AB-6B9F-46B9-8D6D-D2D3F09DBFEF@together.net>

I'm looking for suggestions on how to find out if a specific USB  
camcorder is attached to a users computer (Windows only), and if it  
is, which volume identifies it. If the camcorder is attached, there  
will be a specific directory on it which I can use to help identify it.

Let's say I am looking for a folder called "DCIM" on an attached USB  
drive. Doing this on Windows Vista causes all kinds of problems.

repeat with i = number of lines of the volumes down to 1
    if there is a folder (line i of the volumes & "/DCIM) then
       put true into foundit
       exit repeat
    end if
end repeat

I'm looking for a better solution.

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb  4 14:12:54 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:12:54 -0600
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
In-Reply-To: <F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>
References: <p0624080bc3c68ae654ce@192.168.0.89>
	<F2D14F2F-655F-4158-B962-02C1D3427C0E@lineone.net>
	<F5F4AA27-C1D9-49B4-B1CB-AC305FBD755A@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802041112s7bae64dfu9d47a7713941aea7@mail.gmail.com>

I remember visiting with Bob Stein somewhere about that time. I recall him
showing us his new media building toolkit, and being rather unimpressed by
it all. He touted it as the next great thing, but a few of us where decided
ho-hum. Overall, I came away with the impression Bob was mostly a sales and
marketing guy, not any technology guru or architect.

Dan Backus and I had just finished creating some pretty exciting stuff in
SC, and I think we didn't fully appreciate the continuing B&W HC efforts.
Dan had created this wonderful program called A.D.A.M. which was truly a
marvel of programming, with 'pixel-level' recoginition of any picture in a
layered body dissection, and we had finished Marsbook which had implemented
a QTVR viewer before it was ever created.

Those were fun times. :-)


From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 14:17:45 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:17:45 -0600
Subject: Finding a specific Windows volume
In-Reply-To: <1BDD29AB-6B9F-46B9-8D6D-D2D3F09DBFEF@together.net>
References: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>	<924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>	<fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<1BDD29AB-6B9F-46B9-8D6D-D2D3F09DBFEF@together.net>
Message-ID: <47A764D9.5080608@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Richard,

It sounds to me like you are running into the same basic problems that 
another user was a while back.  I posted the following solution which 
avoids the errors with locating files on Windows while avoiding disk 
errors and system dialogs...

-- Snip --

My solution to the same problem is to check for a volume serial number 
first, then if there is one, check for the file I'm looking for.  You 
can do this with the following function...

function GetVolumeSN pDiskLetter
   local volumeSerialNumber
   -- Supports both "C", "C:" and "C:\" styles
   put char 1 of pDiskLetter & ":" into pDisk
   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
   put shell("dir " & pDisk) into tDirData
   get matchText(tDirData,"Volume Serial Number is 
(.*)\n",volumeSerialNumber)
   if it is true then
     return volumeSerialNumber
   else
     return empty
   end if
end GetVolumeSN

If the function returns a Serial Number, I know a disk is located at 
that drive letter.  I then do my "if there is a file..." stuff.  If the 
function returns nothing (empty) then I know there is no disk in the 
drive and I don't check it.

This seems to avoid the whole "no disc" error in Windows XP SP2.  I 
don't know about other versions... you'll have to test it out.

-- End Snip --

This function was confirmed to work on Vista.  But unless you can 
specify what errors you are getting, there's not much else I can 
suggest.  Hope that helps.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
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Richard Miller wrote:
> I'm looking for suggestions on how to find out if a specific USB 
> camcorder is attached to a users computer (Windows only), and if it is, 
> which volume identifies it. If the camcorder is attached, there will be 
> a specific directory on it which I can use to help identify it.
> 
> Let's say I am looking for a folder called "DCIM" on an attached USB 
> drive. Doing this on Windows Vista causes all kinds of problems.
> 
> repeat with i = number of lines of the volumes down to 1
>    if there is a folder (line i of the volumes & "/DCIM) then
>       put true into foundit
>       exit repeat
>    end if
> end repeat
> 
> I'm looking for a better solution.
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb  4 14:29:31 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:29:31 -0800
Subject: about Voyager Expanded Books
Message-ID: <47A7679B.7090301@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:31 AM, James Richards wrote: 
>> Have you seen Sophie http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/index.html 
>>  which was written in Revolution?  I don't know exactly how it  
>> compares to VEBs, but the facility to create plugins seems to offer  
>> a wide range of capabilities.
> 
> I hadn't heard of that, though of course I've heard of Richard. And If  
> Monks Had Macs was at one time published by Voyager as a set of  
> HyperCard stacks. The name Sophie is an unfortunate choice for the  
> product name, as it is the same name being used by Bob Stein for the  
> latest book reader he was doing
...

Yes, it was an unfortunate choice, and I've never figured out why Mr.
Stein made it.

Brian had advocated calling ours "Sophie" from the very beginning, some
time around '98, and we'd done a thorough search across trademarks and
the web to make sure we had no conflict.

At that time, Mr. Stein's ebook reader project was named "TK3":
<http://www.nightkitchen.com/>

We were glad to see that the only other small-scale project in this
arena had such a useless name. :)  Alas, it didn't stay that way.

Although our official release of Sophie was in 2003, Brian's web site
had been discussing it for at least two years prior.

After our initial release we published a brief outline of where we
wanted to take Sophie:
<http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/future.html>

As noted there, since it's a free product and neither Brian nor I have
unlimited resources, we had to cap our proposed feature list once we'd
gotten only the basics in place.  We'd already spent several thousand
dollars' worth of development time on it, and it seemed to us that the
best way to fulfill our vision of the tool would be to pursue grants, as
we described on that page.  So the online libraries, publishing tools,
multimedia extensions, live hooks to the Gutenberg Project, and more
would all have to wait while Brian and I got back to work at our day jobs.

In 2006 I began getting emails about Sophie which were confusing to me
at first, until I learned that Stein had recently chosen that name for
his successor to TK3.  Apparently he'd been able to get the sort of
grant we were hoping for, which funded a development plan similar to
what we'd described years earlier.  Unfortunately, since a good many
people were already familiar with our Sophie, his choice of the same
name has been a source of confusion.

In all fairness to Mr. Stein, it's not surprising to find two separate
software teams independently working toward the same goal, especially
with something as obvious as ebook readers.

And while the one-in-a-billion odds of both teams, led by people who'd
once worked together, accidentally using a name as obscure as "Sophie"
may seem a bit incredible at first, Brian has talked with Mr. Stein and
assures me it was purely coincidental.

I'm not sure how Stein's Google got broken the day he chose that name,
but although I've never met Mr. Stein, Brian is a man of impeccable
character and his vouching for Stein is good enough for me.

I feel it would have been fairer to both us and his
subsequently-confused audience to have chosen a different name as soon
as it was brought to his attention.  His product hadn't been released
yet, so any of the billions of other names available would have
been a more beneficial choice for everyone.

But today it's probably too late for them to change.  Mr. Stein is far
more well-connected than Brian or I, and now with the grant funding his
project has a few orders of magnitude more resources available to them.
  With so much going on there, I don't anticipate seeing a change in the
name at this stage.

Bob Stein has accomplished a lot over the years, with his work - and
yours - at Voyager Company demonstrating an innovative approach to both
software design and marketing.  Very few software developers had even
considered putting software in book stores, but Mr. Stein pulled that
off, and well, across a long series of products that were truly
best-of-breed.

I wish his team the best of luck with their project, and hope I have the
opportunity to met him someday.  He seems like an interesting person
worth knowing.


As for our Sophie:

I believe it may still be worth enhancing, but with so much other work
going on here it'll take some help.  We've considered making the Sophie
stacks open source so we can open up development to others in this
community.

Jerry Muelver has generously offered to assist, and the only holdup has
been on my end, booked as I've been with client work which has prevented
me from prepping the Sophie code base for handing off to others.

I hope to be able to do so within the coming weeks, so if any of you are
interested in helping to move Sophie forward please drop me a note and
let's see what we can do.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com






From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Feb  4 15:03:15 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:03:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <15276222.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Well, and the best handler to put the "start using"? In the opencard of the
main stack?

As say Eric, I'm interested into future "easy" updates, so the organization
in external stacks is more interesting. This is the same concept of
libraries?

Where I must to put the "start using"? or how I must do it? 
Can post any piece of code showing one example? Something schematic to see
it.

Cheers,
Josep M 

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 15:29:04 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:29:04 +1000
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802041229s2603c343ye8ac8d0dbdd74201@mail.gmail.com>

> I've now been using this update architecture for a little over a year
> now. Over that year I've seen a number of users write in thinking that
> they weren't running the latest update because the File Info dialog
> for the executable said 1.x instead of 1.x.x (The about box does
> report the proper version though).

Trevor, I use a similar sort of thing and almost never update the
actual application, just the sub-stacks. I store the app's version in
one of the sub-stacks, so I can update it that way. That doesn't
affect the File Info but you could do that yourself by editing the
plist file when you update.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Feb  4 15:36:50 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:36:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <15276222.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<15276222.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <15276961.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi again,

My problem due to my inexperience in Revolution is how organize the calls
into the stacks. What is better and what is the normal way to put the
handlers, functions, etc...

Cheers,
Josep
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb  4 15:43:14 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:43:14 -0600
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>

Interestingly one can put empty into an array to reset it:

put empty into tMyArray

but cannot check to see if an array is empty as it will return true no
matter if there is data in the array or not.

put tMyArray is empty

always returns true even if:

put "red" into tMyArray[1]
put tMyArray is empty

Is this a bug?


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb  4 16:04:19 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:04:19 -0500
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802041229s2603c343ye8ac8d0dbdd74201@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<f99b52860802041229s2603c343ye8ac8d0dbdd74201@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB005C4F-AFD1-48E0-9340-B2E9F1948D8E@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I've now been using this update architecture for a little over a year
>> now. Over that year I've seen a number of users write in thinking  
>> that
>> they weren't running the latest update because the File Info dialog
>> for the executable said 1.x instead of 1.x.x (The about box does
>> report the proper version though).
>
> Trevor, I use a similar sort of thing and almost never update the
> actual application, just the sub-stacks. I store the app's version in
> one of the sub-stacks, so I can update it that way. That doesn't
> affect the File Info but you could do that yourself by editing the
> plist file when you update.

Yeah, I currently store the actual version in the "application" stack  
(stack with all my app configuration information) so that is why the  
about box is always up to date.

Updating the plist file would probably work well on Mac. I hadn't  
thought about that but will give it a go. The only drawback that  
springs to mind is that modification date either a) won't get updated  
or b) won't reflect the date you created the update. This is probably  
of little consequence in the majority of cases though.

For windows this might be a little trickier. Perhaps a binary update  
can be performed to change the version number but that depends on how  
easy it is to find the info in the executable file. You may have to  
resort to a system API call though. Anyone tried this with a Rev exe  
created with 2.7 or greater?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 16:05:01 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:05:01 +0100
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85DD5F51-14AA-4D9F-AA85-23D399E41F8C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Chipp,

Being logical, I would inclined to think so :-)
And I'm always bored to have to write: 'if tMyArray = empty and the  
keys of tMyArray = empty then...'

Le 4 f?vr. 08 ? 21:43, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> Interestingly one can put empty into an array to reset it:
>
> put empty into tMyArray
>
> but cannot check to see if an array is empty as it will return true no
> matter if there is data in the array or not.
>
> put tMyArray is empty
>
> always returns true even if:
>
> put "red" into tMyArray[1]
> put tMyArray is empty
>
> Is this a bug?

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 16:09:08 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:09:08 +1000
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <15276961.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<15276222.post@talk.nabble.com> <15276961.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802041309o2d36fa2cv3d4459002200d633@mail.gmail.com>

> My problem due to my inexperience in Revolution is how organize the calls
> into the stacks. What is better and what is the normal way to put the
> handlers, functions, etc...

My general rule is to place each handler or function as low in the
hierarchy as practical. If a button has a single use, then it contains
it's own handler. If there is a group of buttons that all use the same
function, then I might put that handler in the group script. For
handlers/functions used by many of the objects on a card, I'll put the
handler/function in the card script and for handlers/functions used by
everything, I use the stack script.

That covers an individual stack, but there will be handlers/functions
that are used by multiple stacks. For these, the options are to use
the stack script of the mainStack or to make a library stack. To make
a library stack, write all the handlers in the stack script of a
particular stack and then "start using" that stack. The library can be
a sub stack of your mainStack or can be completely independent, so
long as you include it in your app when creating a standalone.

There are also frontScripts & backScripts, but they tend to be more
special purpose.

Richard Gaskin has a very useful article about the message, but I
can't find the URL at the moment (Richard?). He also contributed to
the Scripting Conferences with one titles "Message
Hierarchy". You can download it from
<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>.

HTH,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 16:10:09 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:10:09 +1000
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <FB005C4F-AFD1-48E0-9340-B2E9F1948D8E@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<f99b52860802041229s2603c343ye8ac8d0dbdd74201@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB005C4F-AFD1-48E0-9340-B2E9F1948D8E@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802041310x1b87b98akb4182b8978ed8c46@mail.gmail.com>

> Updating the plist file would probably work well on Mac. I hadn't
> thought about that but will give it a go. The only drawback that
> springs to mind is that modification date either a) won't get updated
> or b) won't reflect the date you created the update. This is probably
> of little consequence in the majority of cases though.

You could use the shell command "touch" to alter the mod date.

Sarah


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb  4 16:30:00 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:30:00 -0500
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802041310x1b87b98akb4182b8978ed8c46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<f99b52860802041229s2603c343ye8ac8d0dbdd74201@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB005C4F-AFD1-48E0-9340-B2E9F1948D8E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<f99b52860802041310x1b87b98akb4182b8978ed8c46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6702E2C9-2365-4750-964F-A6E8E553CEE1@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Updating the plist file would probably work well on Mac. I hadn't
>> thought about that but will give it a go. The only drawback that
>> springs to mind is that modification date either a) won't get updated
>> or b) won't reflect the date you created the update. This is probably
>> of little consequence in the majority of cases though.
>
> You could use the shell command "touch" to alter the mod date.

Right. That would address (a) but not (b). The date of when "touch"  
was performed rather than the date the developer built the update. But  
that probably doesn't matter.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 16:53:33 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:53:33 +0100
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Trevor,

I ran into the same questioning :-)
The way I chose is the following:
The app/exe itself is, of course, a launcher.
This launcher retrieves information from an external splash stack  
and, among others, allows to set the label of the exe with the right  
version number.
A very simple text file on our server allows to compare automatically  
the user current version with the last one and alert him if needed.
When an update is available, needed files are downloaded and the  
external splash screen is always replaced.
In case of 'big' update, a process allows with an invisible installer  
to update all files, exe included and restart the software.
In addition, a check at every launch, verifies if all needed files  
are there and downloads missing ones from the internet if needed.
So, in a few words, we have to ways of updating: a light one when  
replacing a stack file or another one that replaces the whole app.
PS. For security, all files on disk are ciphered and restored in RAM  
on-the-fly.

Le 4 f?vr. 08 ? 18:23, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> In complex projects that are known as needing future upgrades, I  
>> prefer to have libraries, externals, pieces of the GUI, etc. in  
>> specific folders.
>> Then, any component can be easily updated from the web when needed.
>> My two cents ;-)
>
> Eric, your mention of updating an app over the web and organizing  
> individual pieces into their own separate folders brings to mind  
> some issues I've been thinking about recently in regards to auto  
> updating. So in the interest of sharing some additional thoughts on  
> the subject of auto updating, here they are.
>
> When I originally implemented auto updating in one of my  
> applications I would create updates that only updated specific  
> stacks in the installation. I thought it was really cool that  
> Revolution could update any stack on the fly and then just reload  
> without restarting the application. That application has been  
> around for a number of years now and has received numerous updates.
>
> What I found was that this approach ended up being more complex  
> then I would have liked as I had to determine which stacks had been  
> changed since the last version and then only include them in the  
> update I pushed out.
>
> I decided I wanted an auto update architecture that required as  
> little thinking as possible come publish time. Add some release  
> notes, click a button and upload the files. I didn't want to have  
> to keep a log each time a script changed anywhere in a stack so  
> that I would remember to update it when I pushed out the next  
> version. I also wanted to have an exact snapshot of every file in  
> the installation for each release so that I could be look at the  
> exact same code that was running on the end-user machine if they  
> report a problem with version 1.2.3.
>
> So when I revised my auto update architecture I designed it so I  
> could push out:
>
> a) new program files (stacks, externals, supporting docs, etc.) or
> b) just the executable files (to push out engine bug fixes) or
> c) both a and b.
>
> This was much simpler to deal with on my end and it made me feel  
> good inside that I wasn't making the user download the ~2MB engine  
> each time if they didn't need to. Since I was no longer updating  
> the application at the stack level I wasn't as concerned with  
> splitting up stacks into different files on disk.
>
> I've now been using this update architecture for a little over a  
> year now. Over that year I've seen a number of users write in  
> thinking that they weren't running the latest update because the  
> File Info dialog for the executable said 1.x instead of 1.x.x (The  
> about box does report the proper version though).
>
> So now I'm of the mind to always update the entire application  
> whenever I push out a new public release for a consumer  
> application. I can still provide the benefit of the app updating  
> itself and relaunching with no intervention and there is less room  
> for confusion as to what version they are running since the File  
> Info dialog for the executable reports the proper version. I figure  
> a couple of extra seconds (or minutes depending on connection  
> speed) to download everything is worth it in the end.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Feb  4 17:07:04 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:07:04 +0000
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D68F305D-1375-49F9-883A-A01A3BBCD791@maseurope.net>

Chipp, bug 3610 is the one to vote for: "Arrays as first class values".

There was a discussion about this on the list a few months ago:  
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/95982

Best,

Mark

On 4 Feb 2008, at 20:43, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Interestingly one can put empty into an array to reset it:
>
> put empty into tMyArray
>
> but cannot check to see if an array is empty as it will return true no
> matter if there is data in the array or not.
>
> put tMyArray is empty
>
> always returns true even if:
>
> put "red" into tMyArray[1]
> put tMyArray is empty
>
> Is this a bug?
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb  4 17:16:49 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:16:49 +0100
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <D68F305D-1375-49F9-883A-A01A3BBCD791@maseurope.net>
References: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
	<D68F305D-1375-49F9-883A-A01A3BBCD791@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <57BAA9C7-67BB-45DC-A84A-5EC3C4024820@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Don't forget that there is an "is an array" operator now: <http:// 
quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5610>

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 4-feb-2008, om 23:07 heeft Mark Smith het volgende geschreven:

> Chipp, bug 3610 is the one to vote for: "Arrays as first class  
> values".
>
> There was a discussion about this on the list a few months ago:  
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/95982
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 4 Feb 2008, at 20:43, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Interestingly one can put empty into an array to reset it:
>>
>> put empty into tMyArray
>>
>> but cannot check to see if an array is empty as it will return  
>> true no
>> matter if there is data in the array or not.
>>
>> put tMyArray is empty
>>
>> always returns true even if:
>>
>> put "red" into tMyArray[1]
>> put tMyArray is empty
>>
>> Is this a bug?
>> _______________________________________________
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb  4 17:29:27 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:29:27 +0100
Subject: An:Flow Analysis upload
In-Reply-To: <C32EB0A9-CA30-4721-907A-55C38DD61821@mac.com>
References: <C32EB0A9-CA30-4721-907A-55C38DD61821@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7D30F023-00E9-4341-99CA-FD7BBF11C8AA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Glenn,

What's the name of your stack and what is your user name?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 4-feb-2008, om 17:00 heeft Glenn E. Fisher het volgende geschreven:

> All,
>
> I finally got my old "Flow Analysis" HyperCard stack converted  
> (actually rewritten) to Rev and uploaded it to Rev OnLine in  
> category Education for your viewing and use.
>
> Have fun with it,
> Glenn
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Feb  4 17:33:09 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:33:09 -0800
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
References: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fo83r8$b2a$1@ger.gmane.org>

Chipp-

Ah. The joys of associative arrays.

Technically this is proper behavior.

tMyArray is empty.
tMyArray[1] is not.
If you put "yellow" into tMyArray then it is not longer empty.
And it is also no longer an array.
Putting "red" back into tMyArray[1] again makes tMyArray into an array and 
makes tMyArray empty.

And as of rev 2.9.0-dp3 you can now "put tMyArray is an array" as a shortcut 
to
"put the keys of tMyArray is empty"

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From shari at gypsyware.com  Mon Feb  4 17:50:49 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:50:49 -0500
Subject: Database vs Array (was: Filtering array vs plain list)
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802031435s2791aa71w4f444212d2897afb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200802030811.26392.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<a06020400c3cb7a875cf7@192.168.2.38>
	<f99b52860802031435s2791aa71w4f444212d2897afb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06020402c3cd463e1bcd@[192.168.2.38]>

Thanks to all who answered my questions about arrays vs databases.  I 
reached a juncture where I had to make a decision about how to format 
this particular set of data before I could continue coding.

I made a few adjustments and I think the end result will be easy to 
access and speedy.

Tankee, tankee!

Shari
-- 
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BIackjack GoId
http://www.gypsyware.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb  4 18:02:28 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:02:28 -0500
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

Thanks for sharing Eric. Please see my questions below.

> The app/exe itself is, of course, a launcher.

Same. Very beneficial regardless of whether or not you use auto  
updating. Being able to keep the executable in the same directory as  
my stack files so I can launch the app during development for testing  
within a standalone is a huge benefit. One of the big time savers when  
developing with Revolution.

> This launcher retrieves information from an external splash stack  
> and, among others, allows to set the label of the exe with the right  
> version number.

When you say label are you referring to the info that shows up in the  
File Info dialog in Finder or Windows Explorer? Or something else?

> A very simple text file on our server allows to compare  
> automatically the user current version with the last one and alert  
> him if needed.

Same.

> When an update is available, needed files are downloaded and the  
> external splash screen is always replaced.
> In case of 'big' update, a process allows with an invisible  
> installer to update all files, exe included and restart the software.

Similar.

> In addition, a check at every launch, verifies if all needed files  
> are there and downloads missing ones from the internet if needed.

I haven't done this as I haven't needed it for my own use. If you get  
a moment I would be interested in hearing how you use this feature in  
deployment and how often it gets used.

> So, in a few words, we have to ways of updating: a light one when  
> replacing a stack file or another one that replaces the whole app.

Same. I think the only difference is that with my current approach,  
light update replaces all files except the executable. A full update  
replaces the executable as well.

> PS. For security, all files on disk are ciphered and restored in RAM  
> on-the-fly.

Would you mind explaining this a little more when you have a moment?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 18:08:37 2008
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:08:37 +0000
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <325413300802041508m67e0f67fr7d5309c8bf4b1109@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone looked into writing an external for Sparkle for OS X? I
have used it with other languages and its pretty slick, albeit OS X
only.

Neal

On Feb 4, 2008 11:02 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Eric. Please see my questions below.
>
> > The app/exe itself is, of course, a launcher.
>
> Same. Very beneficial regardless of whether or not you use auto
> updating. Being able to keep the executable in the same directory as
> my stack files so I can launch the app during development for testing
> within a standalone is a huge benefit. One of the big time savers when
> developing with Revolution.
>
> > This launcher retrieves information from an external splash stack
> > and, among others, allows to set the label of the exe with the right
> > version number.
>
> When you say label are you referring to the info that shows up in the
> File Info dialog in Finder or Windows Explorer? Or something else?
>
> > A very simple text file on our server allows to compare
> > automatically the user current version with the last one and alert
> > him if needed.
>
> Same.
>
> > When an update is available, needed files are downloaded and the
> > external splash screen is always replaced.
> > In case of 'big' update, a process allows with an invisible
> > installer to update all files, exe included and restart the software.
>
> Similar.
>
> > In addition, a check at every launch, verifies if all needed files
> > are there and downloads missing ones from the internet if needed.
>
> I haven't done this as I haven't needed it for my own use. If you get
> a moment I would be interested in hearing how you use this feature in
> deployment and how often it gets used.
>
> > So, in a few words, we have to ways of updating: a light one when
> > replacing a stack file or another one that replaces the whole app.
>
> Same. I think the only difference is that with my current approach,
> light update replaces all files except the executable. A full update
> replaces the executable as well.
>
> > PS. For security, all files on disk are ciphered and restored in RAM
> > on-the-fly.
>
> Would you mind explaining this a little more when you have a moment?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Feb  4 19:35:50 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:35:50 -0800
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
References: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
	<fo83r8$b2a$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <fo8b18$vnc$1@ger.gmane.org>


> "put the keys of tMyArray is empty"
                                              ^ not

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb  4 22:35:46 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:35:46 -0600
Subject: Arrays and empty? Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <fo8b18$vnc$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <7aa52a210802041243s3fbcde98y1a32ae7d3942d420@mail.gmail.com>
	<fo83r8$b2a$1@ger.gmane.org> <fo8b18$vnc$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802041935w530814femb9e4992085acb548@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all for the help. I did go back and look at the previous
discussion...sorry to have missed it.

I thought about having to make array vars end in "[]"

So,
put tMyArray is empty can return true
while
put tMyArray[] is empty can return false
then
put tMyArray[] would return what???
back to square one.


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb  5 00:56:35 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:56:35 -0600
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802042156x31a9622bmebc708834043c79f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Trevor,

As you probably know, I've been using my MagicCarpet auto-updating
architecture for all Altuit's commercial apps as well as clients apps.

It's been updated to also create portable apps as well, with the advantage
they can be run from any drive and from any location.

Here's how I break out the application architecture:

1) Splashscreen launcher app
2) Main stack
3) Plugin stacks (all other stacks)
4) Other files, externals and zip files

The splashscreen app does only very few things. This is so that I can reuse
this code for every project, without changing it-- and possibly introducing
a bug.

I have a configurator altPlugin which automates setting everything up. Then
I use MagicCarpet to upload any changes to the Main stack or the plugin
stacks. MagicCarpet takes care of automatically adding notes, updating
version numbers of the stacks as well as the server version files.

The Splashscreen app can be set to automatically check for updates, or a
menu item can be added to the Main stack to do the same. The Splashscreen
app ONLY checks for updates to itself (exe or bundle) and the Main stack. No
other checks are created. I have a MagicCarpet library, which is typically a
substack of the Main stack, and it is responsible for downloading all other
stacks, files and even .zip files (which it can automatically unzip on both
Mac and PC). This is also how external updates are downloaded as well.

Each plugin stack has a version number associated with it (a hidden field)
and an about screen displays ALL version numbers for all stacks and plugins.
This is how I typically have users check version numbers, as it can also
copy all the plugins/stacks/version numbers to the clipboard with a single
click.

Some apps, like ThoughtOffice have very interesting demands regarding
versioning. Some plugins are auto-updated, others are purchased and only if
registered are auto-updated. Some complex biz logic required, and a lot of
hair pulling.

I've found spending time building my own updating infrastructure has helped
significantly in program development for a number of reasons. First, it's
fast. Second, with over 30 apps already taking advantage of this
architecture, it's very easy now for me to debug. Also, it's a dream come
true for clients, as they can see an application develop in a realtime way,
which works *MOST* of the time;-)

And, I never have to worry about whether or not a standalone will build, as
the Splashscreen is always the same code (different logo screen).

HTH,

Chipp


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb  5 03:02:19 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:02:19 +0100
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <25AAB8AE-C52B-4079-BC36-0D6A3E5B9B0F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Trevor,

Seems that we end with very similar solutions: it's reassuring :-)
External splash stack, that is always replaced, is able to tell the  
'general' version, which files are needed and the version for each of  
them: other stacks files, externals and additional files (multi- 
lingual localization file for instance).

About the version info of the executable: actually it's set to 1.x or  
2.x, etc. (a real x): not completely satisfying but not really  
worrying because the label in the title bar of the exe is set when  
launching according to the right value stored in the splash stack  
file. In addition a 'Check for updates' option relies on this.
Setting the version info of the exe itself seems not really doable,  
at least on Vista... Virtualizing is really a pain...

About auto-check: such a check is done at every launch of the exe and  
it is very fast if all goes well. The application needs many files  
(kept in sub folders: remember our thread about ssleay and  
libeay :-), registered activeX, etc. and depending on the crucial  
status or not of a file offers to download them on-the-fly from the  
Internet or enjoin the user to reinstall the software.
All information about these files, I told it, is kept in the external  
splash stack.
We made that because if a file is missing, the exe will not run as  
expected (or not at all) and we don't want to be categorized as bugs  
creators :-)
Our logs show that using this feature is very rare actually.

About security features: you'll understand that I don't give too much  
details about this on the list but I'm going to write you off list ;-)

Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 00:02, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Eric. Please see my questions below.
>
>> The app/exe itself is, of course, a launcher.
>
> Same. Very beneficial regardless of whether or not you use auto  
> updating. Being able to keep the executable in the same directory  
> as my stack files so I can launch the app during development for  
> testing within a standalone is a huge benefit. One of the big time  
> savers when developing with Revolution.
>
>> This launcher retrieves information from an external splash stack  
>> and, among others, allows to set the label of the exe with the  
>> right version number.
>
> When you say label are you referring to the info that shows up in  
> the File Info dialog in Finder or Windows Explorer? Or something else?
>
>> A very simple text file on our server allows to compare  
>> automatically the user current version with the last one and alert  
>> him if needed.
>
> Same.
>
>> When an update is available, needed files are downloaded and the  
>> external splash screen is always replaced.
>> In case of 'big' update, a process allows with an invisible  
>> installer to update all files, exe included and restart the software.
>
> Similar.
>
>> In addition, a check at every launch, verifies if all needed files  
>> are there and downloads missing ones from the internet if needed.
>
> I haven't done this as I haven't needed it for my own use. If you  
> get a moment I would be interested in hearing how you use this  
> feature in deployment and how often it gets used.
>
>> So, in a few words, we have to ways of updating: a light one when  
>> replacing a stack file or another one that replaces the whole app.
>
> Same. I think the only difference is that with my current approach,  
> light update replaces all files except the executable. A full  
> update replaces the executable as well.
>
>> PS. For security, all files on disk are ciphered and restored in  
>> RAM on-the-fly.
>
> Would you mind explaining this a little more when you have a moment?
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Feb  5 03:58:18 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:58:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <15285853.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I'm testing to start using s_lib_databases.rev as librery but any stack find
any handler located into it.

on preopenstack
    start using stack "/Users/Joss/documents/iwebcart/s_lib_basedades.rev"
    
end preopenstack

Why? :(

Cheers,
Josep
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From wow at together.net  Tue Feb  5 04:06:16 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 04:06:16 -0500
Subject: Finding a specific Windows volume
In-Reply-To: <47A764D9.5080608@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <20080202023859.TFCO10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>	<924B2724-E34E-41E8-A27E-3A819DBDBB4F@rcn.com>	<fo7j9p$coi$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<1BDD29AB-6B9F-46B9-8D6D-D2D3F09DBFEF@together.net>
	<47A764D9.5080608@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E7470C63-348C-4E18-A3C3-216EB464030E@together.net>

Derek,

Thanks for this function. It did the trick.

Best regards,
Richard Miller



On Feb 4, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Richard,
>
> It sounds to me like you are running into the same basic problems  
> that another user was a while back.  I posted the following  
> solution which avoids the errors with locating files on Windows  
> while avoiding disk errors and system dialogs...
>
> -- Snip --
>
> My solution to the same problem is to check for a volume serial  
> number first, then if there is one, check for the file I'm looking  
> for.  You can do this with the following function...
>
> function GetVolumeSN pDiskLetter
>   local volumeSerialNumber
>   -- Supports both "C", "C:" and "C:\" styles
>   put char 1 of pDiskLetter & ":" into pDisk
>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>   put shell("dir " & pDisk) into tDirData
>   get matchText(tDirData,"Volume Serial Number is (.*) 
> \n",volumeSerialNumber)
>   if it is true then
>     return volumeSerialNumber
>   else
>     return empty
>   end if
> end GetVolumeSN
>
> If the function returns a Serial Number, I know a disk is located  
> at that drive letter.  I then do my "if there is a file..." stuff.   
> If the function returns nothing (empty) then I know there is no  
> disk in the drive and I don't check it.
>
> This seems to avoid the whole "no disc" error in Windows XP SP2.  I  
> don't know about other versions... you'll have to test it out.
>
> -- End Snip --
>
> This function was confirmed to work on Vista.  But unless you can  
> specify what errors you are getting, there's not much else I can  
> suggest.  Hope that helps.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
>
> Richard Miller wrote:
>> I'm looking for suggestions on how to find out if a specific USB  
>> camcorder is attached to a users computer (Windows only), and if  
>> it is, which volume identifies it. If the camcorder is attached,  
>> there will be a specific directory on it which I can use to help  
>> identify it.
>> Let's say I am looking for a folder called "DCIM" on an attached  
>> USB drive. Doing this on Windows Vista causes all kinds of problems.
>> repeat with i = number of lines of the volumes down to 1
>>    if there is a folder (line i of the volumes & "/DCIM) then
>>       put true into foundit
>>       exit repeat
>>    end if
>> end repeat
>> I'm looking for a better solution.
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Feb  5 04:12:53 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 01:12:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cols and rows in field
Message-ID: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Inmersed into revolution I have more questions...

I'm using fields with TabStop to show tabular data from a database. It's
only a list of all the products that exist in the database, these list have
3 cols.

Code + Name + Price

Frist problem, if the name have more o less length the col num 3 is moved
and break the cols. I need that all the cols have a fixed length independent
of her length, cutting letters if is necesary.

Second problem, I select more cols from the database that I don't show in
the list, but I need if I like to update the product details later. I need
the primary key col but I don't want to show it.

PK + Code + Name + LongDescription + Price + NewProduct

6 cols but only want show the 2on, 3th, 5th and 6th, but I need accesible
the 1st.

And the 6th col must be translated to a minicon depending fo the value. Like
star if is a new product, a brown box if a updated product, etc.. the same
for other fields in the database if are needed.

The question is how is better organize this and how is better do the change
for the data for the html code to represent the graphical icons.

Any code sample are wellcome.:working:

uff... I hope my english will be clever :)

Cheers,
Josep 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb  5 04:27:35 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:27:35 +0100
Subject: Cols and rows in field
In-Reply-To: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F71A378F-7D90-4B93-8E76-0C7C4A5CC4FA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Josep,

Replace empty columns with a space to give all of them a 'real' value.
Your PK should be the last column and the width of your field  
calculated to not show this last column.
To show an icon, you have two ways:
Or you build html on the fly using <img src="xxxx"> (set the htmlText  
of fld "Table" to tHtmlText) or you set the imageSource of the chars  
you want to 'xxxx' (put tText into fld "Table" then use a repeat loop  
to set the correct imageSource).
Short answer but hope this helps :-)

Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 10:12, Josep a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> Inmersed into revolution I have more questions...
>
> I'm using fields with TabStop to show tabular data from a database.  
> It's
> only a list of all the products that exist in the database, these  
> list have
> 3 cols.
>
> Code + Name + Price
>
> Frist problem, if the name have more o less length the col num 3 is  
> moved
> and break the cols. I need that all the cols have a fixed length  
> independent
> of her length, cutting letters if is necesary.
>
> Second problem, I select more cols from the database that I don't  
> show in
> the list, but I need if I like to update the product details later.  
> I need
> the primary key col but I don't want to show it.
>
> PK + Code + Name + LongDescription + Price + NewProduct
>
> 6 cols but only want show the 2on, 3th, 5th and 6th, but I need  
> accesible
> the 1st.
>
> And the 6th col must be translated to a minicon depending fo the  
> value. Like
> star if is a new product, a brown box if a updated product, etc..  
> the same
> for other fields in the database if are needed.
>
> The question is how is better organize this and how is better do  
> the change
> for the data for the html code to represent the graphical icons.
>
> Any code sample are wellcome.:working:
>
> uff... I hope my english will be clever :)
>
> Cheers,
> Josep

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Feb  5 05:21:29 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:21:29 +0100
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
Message-ID: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

beeing completely new to database programming I made some tests with sqlite
with success. Following some threads there are two advanced questions left
for me:

 

1. I have read a few times that you can't / should not use sqlite for a
multiuser environment, instead you should take a "bigger" db as valentine.
My question is, are there any hard facts to not use sqlite in a multi user
environment? What would happen if my customers would read my db with
multiple users - just a little slow down or wouldn't it work at all? Does
this point affect only if you have write statements on the db or also if you
only have a read db?

 

2. What about encryption (just read Victoras answer). I don't have any
secret or privat datas in my db, but would not want anybody to dump and
restore my datas out of my db, because of know-how protection. When opening
my db with a text editor, I can see the content as clear text, either in Hex
mode in the right colum, or in not Hex mode in lines "between" other crypted
datas. But I don't get the structure of the datas and there are many
"crypted" characters between the clear data, so that I couldn't "dump" the
data out of my db with any sence and structure. My question: Is this because
I am not a db specialist and for any advanced "specialist" it wouldn't be
any problem to get my datas out of my db with structure and "sence" and
everybody should encrypt his data to avoid dumping or is it really "only" a
question of securing private datas?

 

Thanks for sharing your experience

Tiemo



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb  5 05:30:13 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:30:13 +0100
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <0E86B586-9731-4408-82D6-9A8AACF6D248@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo,

We use SQLite for multi-users purposes without any problem.
As there are db editors all over the place, your data are not at all  
protected unless you encrypt them.
The problem comes with current Rev SQLite: I don't know if this has  
been solved but encrypted data are binaries and we have been obliged  
to ask Chris Bonhert from Altuit (they released SQLite before it was  
purchased by Runrev) to write for us a specific version of SQLite  
corrected.

Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 11:21, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> beeing completely new to database programming I made some tests  
> with sqlite
> with success. Following some threads there are two advanced  
> questions left
> for me:
>
> 1. I have read a few times that you can't / should not use sqlite  
> for a
> multiuser environment, instead you should take a "bigger" db as  
> valentine.
> My question is, are there any hard facts to not use sqlite in a  
> multi user
> environment? What would happen if my customers would read my db with
> multiple users - just a little slow down or wouldn't it work at  
> all? Does
> this point affect only if you have write statements on the db or  
> also if you
> only have a read db?
>
> 2. What about encryption (just read Victoras answer). I don't have any
> secret or privat datas in my db, but would not want anybody to dump  
> and
> restore my datas out of my db, because of know-how protection. When  
> opening
> my db with a text editor, I can see the content as clear text,  
> either in Hex
> mode in the right colum, or in not Hex mode in lines "between"  
> other crypted
> datas. But I don't get the structure of the datas and there are many
> "crypted" characters between the clear data, so that I couldn't  
> "dump" the
> data out of my db with any sence and structure. My question: Is  
> this because
> I am not a db specialist and for any advanced "specialist" it  
> wouldn't be
> any problem to get my datas out of my db with structure and "sence"  
> and
> everybody should encrypt his data to avoid dumping or is it really  
> "only" a
> question of securing private datas?
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience
>
> Tiemo

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 05:48:23 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:48:23 +1000
Subject: External functions
In-Reply-To: <15285853.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<15285853.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802050248j7b6a185dhf3556f33770894ee@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm testing to start using s_lib_databases.rev as librery but any stack find
> any handler located into it.
>
> on preopenstack
>     start using stack "/Users/Joss/documents/iwebcart/s_lib_basedades.rev"
>
> end preopenstack
>

That's the way any library is supposed to work - all stacks will use
the handlers in it. If your library stack needs anything that should
only be used by it, then put those handlers in the card script for the
first card of that stack.

Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 05:50:33 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:50:33 +1000
Subject: Cols and rows in field
In-Reply-To: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802050250t7358be41tab70eb6f7824a046@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm using fields with TabStop to show tabular data from a database. It's
> only a list of all the products that exist in the database, these list have
> 3 cols.
>
> Code + Name + Price
>
> Frist problem, if the name have more o less length the col num 3 is moved
> and break the cols. I need that all the cols have a fixed length independent
> of her length, cutting letters if is necesary.

If you turn on the vGrid (show the vertical lines in the field), the
columns will get truncated to fit.

Cheers,
Sarah


From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Feb  5 05:56:29 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:56:29 +0100
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <0E86B586-9731-4408-82D6-9A8AACF6D248@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c867e5$c37f9830$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Eric,
first answer is good to hear :)
what do you mean with "it had to be written a specific version of SQLite"? -
that I couldn't use an encryption tool like Viktoras advised
(http://www.sqlite-crypt.com/)?
Do you have a name or link to a freeware db editor, so that I could get an
idea, what others could do with my db?
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 11:30
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> We use SQLite for multi-users purposes without any problem.
> As there are db editors all over the place, your data are not at all
> protected unless you encrypt them.
> The problem comes with current Rev SQLite: I don't know if this has
> been solved but encrypted data are binaries and we have been obliged
> to ask Chris Bonhert from Altuit (they released SQLite before it was
> purchased by Runrev) to write for us a specific version of SQLite
> corrected.
> 
> Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 11:21, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :



From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Feb  5 06:08:30 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:08:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cols and rows in field
In-Reply-To: <F71A378F-7D90-4B93-8E76-0C7C4A5CC4FA@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<F71A378F-7D90-4B93-8E76-0C7C4A5CC4FA@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <15287910.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Eric,

I will try on the fly build using it. About to use a space to give a real
value to empty columns if correct but the question is for columns that have
data but not showing correctly into the cols. When I get some value that
have less lenght that others in the same col the followings cols are moved
to left. 


How can solve this?

Cheers,
Josep M
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Cols-and-rows-in-field-tp15286022p15287910.html
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb  5 06:24:39 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:24:39 +0100
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <001d01c867e5$c37f9830$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001d01c867e5$c37f9830$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <14D8AEFF-F902-458A-9362-EF7EFAF37D02@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo,

Search for "Database Editor" using a search engine: you'll find many  
for any platform.
Some are free and others offer a trial that will allow you to test.
The problem is not with encryption itself but the way Rev SQLite does  
not handle binaries as expected (blob problem).
As we have a special version that handles them correctly I can't tell  
you if Rev one has been corrected lately:
Probably others on this list are able to inform you about this :-)

Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 11:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
> first answer is good to hear :)
> what do you mean with "it had to be written a specific version of  
> SQLite"? -
> that I couldn't use an encryption tool like Viktoras advised
> (http://www.sqlite-crypt.com/)?
> Do you have a name or link to a freeware db editor, so that I could  
> get an
> idea, what others could do with my db?
> Thanks
> Tiemo
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 11:30
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
>>
>> Hi Tiemo,
>>
>> We use SQLite for multi-users purposes without any problem.
>> As there are db editors all over the place, your data are not at all
>> protected unless you encrypt them.
>> The problem comes with current Rev SQLite: I don't know if this has
>> been solved but encrypted data are binaries and we have been obliged
>> to ask Chris Bonhert from Altuit (they released SQLite before it was
>> purchased by Runrev) to write for us a specific version of SQLite
>> corrected.
>>
>> Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 11:21, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb  5 06:28:48 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:28:48 +0100
Subject: Cols and rows in field
In-Reply-To: <15287910.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15286022.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<F71A378F-7D90-4B93-8E76-0C7C4A5CC4FA@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<15287910.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <EC672D4A-8D7C-43DD-BA55-515F45DCAD90@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Josep,

I think that Sarah answered your problem yet.
As for building html, "How to Create and Manage HTML lists on the  
fly" tutorial might help you:
How to build on the fly a graphical list of values with HTML, to  
display it into a list field and some additional tricks to hide and  
fetch the right information.

You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free  
plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to  
display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.


Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 12:08, Josep a ?crit :

> I will try on the fly build using it. About to use a space to give  
> a real
> value to empty columns if correct but the question is for columns  
> that have
> data but not showing correctly into the cols. When I get some value  
> that
> have less lenght that others in the same col the followings cols  
> are moved
> to left.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Feb  5 06:36:20 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:36:20 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <14D8AEFF-F902-458A-9362-EF7EFAF37D02@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <002101c867eb$54b60690$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks for the info
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 12:25
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> Search for "Database Editor" using a search engine: you'll find many
> for any platform.
> Some are free and others offer a trial that will allow you to test.
> The problem is not with encryption itself but the way Rev SQLite does
> not handle binaries as expected (blob problem).
> As we have a special version that handles them correctly I can't tell
> you if Rev one has been corrected lately:
> Probably others on this list are able to inform you about this :-)
> 
> Le 5 f?vr. 08 ? 11:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb  5 08:44:40 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:44:40 +0000
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
Message-ID: <200802051344.40803.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Three open source sqlite editors:

sqlite manager (firefox plugin - the best)

tksqlite

sqlitebrowser

Peter


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 09:29:54 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:29:54 -0500
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802042156x31a9622bmebc708834043c79f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
	<7aa52a210802042156x31a9622bmebc708834043c79f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3132E086-C185-47FE-8B08-F5EBD45FB44F@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> As you probably know, I've been using my MagicCarpet auto-updating
> architecture for all Altuit's commercial apps as well as clients apps.

Yes, your excellent work on this was a great help when I first  
ventured down this road.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Tue Feb  5 09:39:40 2008
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:39:40 EST
Subject: Finding a specific Windows volume
Message-ID: <ca1.2546a879.34d9cf2c@aol.com>

Try modifying this, Richard, passing each line of "the volumes" as  pDiskLette
r in a repeat loop...

function GetVolumeSN  pDiskLetter
local volumeSerialNumber
--| Supports both "C",  "C:" and "C:\" styles
put char 1 of pDiskLetter & ":" into  pDisk
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
put shell("dir "  & pDisk) into tDirData
get matchText(tDirData,"Volume Serial  Number is (.*)\n",volumeSerialNumber)
if it is true then
    # add a check for the DCIM directory if you wish
    return volumeSerialNumber
else return "No  Disk" # Unmounted volume
end GetVolumeSN

/H


>I'm looking for suggestions on how to find out if a  specific USB  
>camcorder is attached to a users computer (Windows  only), and if it  
>is, which volume identifies it. If the camcorder  is attached, there  
>will be a specific directory on it which I can  use to help identify it.






   


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 09:40:05 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:40:05 -0500
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <25AAB8AE-C52B-4079-BC36-0D6A3E5B9B0F@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
	<25AAB8AE-C52B-4079-BC36-0D6A3E5B9B0F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E8A1CD46-538A-461F-8F6B-2633EA552E9C@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 5, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> ...

Thanks for the additional info Eric.

> Setting the version info of the exe itself seems not really doable,  
> at least on Vista... Virtualizing is really a pain...

You can get around this if you perform all changes from a command line  
executable that has obtained elevated privileges. This is how I'm  
installing updates at the moment and virtualization doesn't seem to  
come into play here since you can alter files with full rights. So  
figuring out how to tweak the version number in the exe is probably  
doable.

I may just settle on the full update every time for public releases  
though. There are less decisions to make and code to write this way.  
Still deciding.

> About auto-check: such a check is done at every launch of the exe  
> and it is very fast if all goes well. The application needs many  
> files (kept in sub folders: remember our thread about ssleay and  
> libeay :-), registered activeX, etc. and depending on the crucial  
> status or not of a file offers to download them on-the-fly from the  
> Internet or enjoin the user to reinstall the software.
> All information about these files, I told it, is kept in the  
> external splash stack.
> We made that because if a file is missing, the exe will not run as  
> expected (or not at all) and we don't want to be categorized as bugs  
> creators :-)
> Our logs show that using this feature is very rare actually.

Good to know.

> About security features: you'll understand that I don't give too  
> much details about this on the list but I'm going to write you off  
> list ;-)

Mais oui.

Thanks,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com 


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 10:02:07 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: Auto Updates [Was Re: External functions]
In-Reply-To: <325413300802041508m67e0f67fr7d5309c8bf4b1109@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15269013.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<78DC5A13-24D2-4945-BED2-41FD020B4046@mangomultimedia.com>
	<788A9A04-744F-4A43-973D-5ADF9DFB857D@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<8658766A-0AED-4E8F-A677-059CA283C546@mangomultimedia.com>
	<B2808705-AE7F-4490-89DA-0885EBB05B6C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2745C25F-B91C-489E-B085-300B094A11C5@mangomultimedia.com>
	<325413300802041508m67e0f67fr7d5309c8bf4b1109@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35E65BED-DFA5-4114-B460-34466A5A64F9@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:

> Has anyone looked into writing an external for Sparkle for OS X? I
> have used it with other languages and its pretty slick, albeit OS X
> only.

Hi Neal,

I looked at Sparkle a number of months ago while doing some work on  
auto updating. It seems to be a great solution as lots of OS X  
developers are using it. I'm not sure that wrapping up Sparkle in an  
external is the ideal approach though since Revolution is cross- 
platform. As I understand it, Sparkle basically:

* Provides a call that will check for updates.
* If an update exists the dmg, zip, etc. of the .app is downloaded,  
the app quits, the update is installed and the app is relaunched.

The components to do the same thing in Rev (probably) exist in each of  
the auto updaters that some of us are using individually. We just need  
a generalized solution that can plug into any application.

The fact that OS X uses application bundles for applications is  
beneficial here since Sparkle can completely wipe out the app and  
replace it, never worrying if some user file is being erased.

On Windows the application folder is not as protected and I know I  
have customers that have stored files in my application's folder  
before. Even if people shouldn't store files in an application folder  
it is probably bad if their files disappear because they updated your  
application.

If this concern is to be taken into account when providing a general  
auto updater then you need to decide if the auto updater tries to keep  
the application folder contents in sync. It is easy enough to install  
updated files each time and even add additional files to the  
installation folder. It is more difficult if you wanted to remove  
files during an update (i.e. you moved all stacks in stack file B into  
stack file A and no longer need stack file B). I imagine this is  
pretty rare during minor updates of a major version and having a file  
that isn't being used in the application folder probably wouldn't be  
the end of the world.

Can anyone think of a reason why it would be bad? Is the reason bad  
enough that the auto updater should be able to wipe out files that are  
no longer needed?

I'm asking these questions because the lack of tools in Revolution for  
providing basic functionality that almost all applications need (or  
that users expect) is something Jerry and I have discussed quite a  
bit. I think that for Revolution to truly deliver on the promise of  
rapid application development a true end-to-end solution needs to be  
available.

Revolution is great for laying out your GUI and coding your  
application. As you have to make decisions about how to organize your  
application files on disk it can be confusing the first few times  
around. When you add your first library it can be confusing as to  
where to put it and how to initialize it. Determining where to store  
preferences on each OS can be time consuming. There are lots of little  
decisions like this that Revolution developers are making again and  
again until they come up with a formalized method. Our time could be  
better spent and we are looking at ways to improve the situation.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Feb  5 10:05:17 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:05:17 +0100
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <200802051344.40803.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c86808$86b6c090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Peter,
I'll give them a try
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Peter Alcibiades
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 14:45
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
> 
> Three open source sqlite editors:
> 
> sqlite manager (firefox plugin - the best)
> 
> tksqlite
> 
> sqlitebrowser
> 
> Peter
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 10:10:27 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:10:27 -0500
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> 1. I have read a few times that you can't / should not use sqlite  
> for a
> multiuser environment, instead you should take a "bigger" db as  
> valentine.
> My question is, are there any hard facts to not use sqlite in a  
> multi user
> environment? What would happen if my customers would read my db with
> multiple users - just a little slow down or wouldn't it work at all?  
> Does
> this point affect only if you have write statements on the db or  
> also if you
> only have a read db?

<http://sqlite.org/whentouse.html>

Scroll down to "Situations Where Another RDBMS May Work Better" and  
look at "Client/Server Applications". If you have many users trying to  
write to the database file then you should probably look for a  
different solution. Multiple reads won't corrupt your database though.

> 2. What about encryption (just read Victoras answer). ... My  
> question: Is this because
> I am not a db specialist and for any advanced "specialist" it  
> wouldn't be
> any problem to get my datas out of my db with structure and "sence"  
> and
> everybody should encrypt his data to avoid dumping or is it really  
> "only" a
> question of securing private datas?

As Eric said your data is not safe as anyone could open the database  
and take a peak or perform a dump of the data. You can encrypt the  
data in Rev before storing in the database and then decrypt it when  
pulling the data out but be aware that you lose the ability to perform  
searches on that data using SQL. I believe encryption at the database  
level is really needed if you want to search the data.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Feb  5 10:23:21 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:23:21 +0000
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net>

Would that be true if you encrypted the search terms the same way you  
encrypted the data?

Best,

Mark

On 5 Feb 2008, at 15:10, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> You can encrypt the data in Rev before storing in the database and  
> then decrypt it when pulling the data out but be aware that you  
> lose the ability to perform searches on that data using SQL



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Feb  5 10:35:13 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:35:13 +0100
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <000101c8680c$b4248e50$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Trevor,
yes, I have to do search and filter sqls on the datas, so there would only
be the external encryption, but I don't know yet, if I could use one of the
tools, like sqlite-crypt, or as Eric was pointing, Rev still has do some
work on sqlite, before you could use encryption.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Trevor DeVore
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 16:10
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
> 
> On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > 1. I have read a few times that you can't / should not use sqlite
> > for a
> > multiuser environment, instead you should take a "bigger" db as
> > valentine.
> > My question is, are there any hard facts to not use sqlite in a
> > multi user
> > environment? What would happen if my customers would read my db with
> > multiple users - just a little slow down or wouldn't it work at all?
> > Does
> > this point affect only if you have write statements on the db or
> > also if you
> > only have a read db?
> 
> <http://sqlite.org/whentouse.html>
> 
> Scroll down to "Situations Where Another RDBMS May Work Better" and
> look at "Client/Server Applications". If you have many users trying to
> write to the database file then you should probably look for a
> different solution. Multiple reads won't corrupt your database though.
> 
> > 2. What about encryption (just read Victoras answer). ... My
> > question: Is this because
> > I am not a db specialist and for any advanced "specialist" it
> > wouldn't be
> > any problem to get my datas out of my db with structure and "sence"
> > and
> > everybody should encrypt his data to avoid dumping or is it really
> > "only" a
> > question of securing private datas?
> 
> As Eric said your data is not safe as anyone could open the database
> and take a peak or perform a dump of the data. You can encrypt the
> data in Rev before storing in the database and then decrypt it when
> pulling the data out but be aware that you lose the ability to perform
> searches on that data using SQL. I believe encryption at the database
> level is really needed if you want to search the data.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
> 
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Feb  5 10:44:41 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:44:41 -0800
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <02b301c8680e$065cb930$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> <http://sqlite.org/whentouse.html>
> 
> Scroll down to "Situations Where Another RDBMS May Work 
> Better" and look at "Client/Server Applications". If you have 
> many users trying to write to the database file then you 
> should probably look for a different solution. Multiple reads 
> won't corrupt your database though.

Obviously I have some other thoughts in mind when it comes to SQLite, but,
it was never designed to be a multi-user database. There is a lot going
under the hood of a database engine to support multiple users.

> > 2. What about encryption (just read Victoras answer). ... My
> > question: Is this because
> > I am not a db specialist and for any advanced "specialist" 
> it wouldn't 
> > be any problem to get my datas out of my db with structure 
> and "sence"
> > and
> > everybody should encrypt his data to avoid dumping or is it really 
> > "only" a question of securing private datas?
> 
> As Eric said your data is not safe as anyone could open the 
> database and take a peak or perform a dump of the data. You 
> can encrypt the data in Rev before storing in the database 
> and then decrypt it when pulling the data out but be aware 
> that you lose the ability to perform searches on that data 
> using SQL. I believe encryption at the database level is 
> really needed if you want to search the data.

Its with the encryption part that I believe Dr Hipp has found his way to pay
his bills. Since it is the freeist sort of open source (public domain), its
not like its impossible to create your own encryption system either if you
are able.

Although we do see SQLite as a sort of competitor, its refreshing that Dr
Hipp doesn't try to promote its use for every possible database solution.
There are many types of database applications that handle small amounts of
data and are local that, you wouldn't necessarily see the advantage of ANY
one system over the other, because the time/security considerations are so
narrow. If you shaved an additional 11% off of one .02 second operation on
your local computer, who's going to notice, right? :-) Now if its working
with 2 million records and that 11% is shaved off of each interaction with
the record, that's where you see the difference.

The database market is extemely mature; the upside is that it allows the
development of special systems that can deliver specific
features/performance in specific databases that will meet your needs rather
than just being stuck with just 1-2 players that YOU have to adapt to.
Imagine cross-platform development if the ONLY solution was Java ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 






From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue Feb  5 11:16:11 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:16:11 +0000
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <000101c8680c$b4248e50$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000101c8680c$b4248e50$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <EC96B5A1-9C07-41E1-8E0A-335B409A4CB9@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

You could opt for www.firebirdsql.org

It has both server and local versions available,  you can backup and  
manage the updates with your own app, instead of waiting for the  
updated Rev version.

Regarding security/encryption:

http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/qsg2-config.html#qsg2-config-security

http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/fbmetasecur-solution.html

Other than that it depends on your app: If the communication is a  
security issue and it's a company database you could consider a VPN.
If the client base is wider then possibly connecting to the database  
though SSL.

Cheers,

Luis.



On 5 Feb 2008, at 15:35, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
> yes, I have to do search and filter sqls on the datas, so there  
> would only
> be the external encryption, but I don't know yet, if I could use  
> one of the
> tools, like sqlite-crypt, or as Eric was pointing, Rev still has do  
> some
> work on sqlite, before you could use encryption.
> Tiemo
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Trevor DeVore
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 16:10
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>>
>>> 1. I have read a few times that you can't / should not use sqlite
>>> for a
>>> multiuser environment, instead you should take a "bigger" db as
>>> valentine.
>>> My question is, are there any hard facts to not use sqlite in a
>>> multi user
>>> environment? What would happen if my customers would read my db with
>>> multiple users - just a little slow down or wouldn't it work at all?
>>> Does
>>> this point affect only if you have write statements on the db or
>>> also if you
>>> only have a read db?
>>
>> <http://sqlite.org/whentouse.html>
>>
>> Scroll down to "Situations Where Another RDBMS May Work Better" and
>> look at "Client/Server Applications". If you have many users  
>> trying to
>> write to the database file then you should probably look for a
>> different solution. Multiple reads won't corrupt your database  
>> though.
>>
>>> 2. What about encryption (just read Victoras answer). ... My
>>> question: Is this because
>>> I am not a db specialist and for any advanced "specialist" it
>>> wouldn't be
>>> any problem to get my datas out of my db with structure and "sence"
>>> and
>>> everybody should encrypt his data to avoid dumping or is it really
>>> "only" a
>>> question of securing private datas?
>>
>> As Eric said your data is not safe as anyone could open the database
>> and take a peak or perform a dump of the data. You can encrypt the
>> data in Rev before storing in the database and then decrypt it when
>> pulling the data out but be aware that you lose the ability to  
>> perform
>> searches on that data using SQL. I believe encryption at the database
>> level is really needed if you want to search the data.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Trevor DeVore
>> Blue Mango Learning Systems
>> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
>>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 12:11:30 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:11:30 -0500
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Would that be true if you encrypted the search terms the same way  
> you encrypted the data?

First of all, I am no encryption expert so the following is just based  
on what I've seen while using encryption.

The issue you have is that the encrypted version of a word most likely  
(it at all possible) will not appear in the encrypted version of a  
phrase containing that word. Here is an example using Blowfish:

"this is a bunny"
Salted__&r?z?????2L???b??????V?

"bunny"
Salted__?.3??????<????@

So you can't really search for "bunny" within "this is a bunny" using  
the encrypted form.

Perhaps you could create an index of individual words in a separate  
field in the database for searching. Each word would be encrypted  
individually rather than all words as a whole. You would probably end  
up with a very big index though.

I imagine it is probably best to use a db with built in encryption if  
you need encryption and searching.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Feb  5 12:38:53 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:38:53 +0000
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net>
	<7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <0DCA4CE0-0947-49E3-8D1B-87CCA32F104C@maseurope.net>

I see what you mean. I guess I was thinking of the case when you're  
searching for an exact and whole db entry. It would also fail on  
comparative operators. Doh!

Best,

Mark

On 5 Feb 2008, at 17:11, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Would that be true if you encrypted the search terms the same way  
>> you encrypted the data?
>
> First of all, I am no encryption expert so the following is just  
> based on what I've seen while using encryption.
>
> The issue you have is that the encrypted version of a word most  
> likely (it at all possible) will not appear in the encrypted  
> version of a phrase containing that word. Here is an example using  
> Blowfish:
>
> "this is a bunny"
> Salted__&r?z?????2L???b??????V?
>
> "bunny"
> Salted__?.3??????<????@
>
> So you can't really search for "bunny" within "this is a bunny"  
> using the encrypted form.
>
> Perhaps you could create an index of individual words in a separate  
> field in the database for searching. Each word would be encrypted  
> individually rather than all words as a whole. You would probably  
> end up with a very big index though.
>
> I imagine it is probably best to use a db with built in encryption  
> if you need encryption and searching.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
>
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From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Feb  5 13:01:04 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:01:04 -0500
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net>
	<7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <D38E0292-DDBD-4BE2-8584-9C1FAA277B03@rpsystems.net>


On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> I imagine it is probably best to use a db with built in encryption  
> if you need encryption and searching.

Interestingly, both RealBasic (internally) and Director (via 3rd  
party) have support for using encrypted SQLite databases - including  
full search functionality, so it would seem that it could be made  
possible in Revolution as well.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 13:09:52 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:09:52 -0500
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <D38E0292-DDBD-4BE2-8584-9C1FAA277B03@rpsystems.net>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net>
	<7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>
	<D38E0292-DDBD-4BE2-8584-9C1FAA277B03@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <B72F93C5-DF59-4130-8FE3-3BA6F8B0FDFD@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 5, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> I imagine it is probably best to use a db with built in encryption  
>> if you need encryption and searching.
>
> Interestingly, both RealBasic (internally) and Director (via 3rd  
> party) have support for using encrypted SQLite databases - including  
> full search functionality, so it would seem that it could be made  
> possible in Revolution as well.

Anyone can write extensions for SQLite for adding functionality. For  
example if you want a sorting algorithm for other languages you have  
to write your own extension.

I wonder if RealBasic and Director just took this route.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Feb  5 13:36:35 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:36:35 -0800
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <D38E0292-DDBD-4BE2-8584-9C1FAA277B03@rpsystems.net>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2><0BF865D4-95A2-471A-8A06-AA1F9515A93D@mangomultimedia.com><C24F73AA-5FF4-4D23-84FB-620C2B5369D0@maseurope.net><7F1F8BFF-3B5D-4B09-A2A8-92BA5521FD34@mangomultimedia.com>
	<D38E0292-DDBD-4BE2-8584-9C1FAA277B03@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <00cf01c86826$09c376f0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> > I imagine it is probably best to use a db with built in 
> encryption if 
> > you need encryption and searching.
> 
> Interestingly, both RealBasic (internally) and Director (via 3rd
> party) have support for using encrypted SQLite databases - 
> including full search functionality, so it would seem that it 
> could be made possible in Revolution as well.

REAL acquired a third party product, and they are taking it in their own
direction. There have been a few third party products that work with
Director. I don't think you'd see this with a GPL'd product. In fact, REAL
dropped their official MySQL support - just conjecturing but over the
licensing I believe. SQLite is public domain, so anyone can grab a handful
and call it their own. We snoop the source but there hasn't been anything
we've bothered with because we already have it.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Feb  5 14:38:21 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:38:21 -0800
Subject: OT: swf animation
Message-ID: <foadve$9mi$1@ger.gmane.org>

Completely off topic, but in light of the current spate of swf posts, here's 
a delightful short animation:

Animator vs Animation

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/077/2/e/Animator_vs__Animation_by_alanbecker.swf

Have fun.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb  5 15:31:19 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:31:19 -0800
Subject: [OT] Instructional design and the demise of AppleGuide
Message-ID: <47A8C797.8050700@fourthworld.com>


I'm redesigning the Help system for a couple of the apps we develop, and 
  I'm attracted to some of the ideas of AppleGuide, esp. having tutorial 
info directly within the software itself so users can more easily 
perform the steps without switching back and forth between applications.

But Apple dropped AppleGuide long ago, and usually when I to think Apple 
does something for arbitrary reasons I find out later there was a sound 
rationale behind the decision.

Of course many aspects of AppleGuide were flawed, most notable its poor 
performance (how hard would we need to work to make something that takes 
as long to load with Rev?), but also perhaps they went too far with 
integration, with AppleGuide's "do this for me" requiring way too much 
work for most developers to deal with.

I have no interest in attempting to emulate AppleGuide's "do it for me", 
but I am interested in simpler models for bringing tutorial info 
directly into the application experience.

But maybe there's a good reason Apple went the other direction, moving 
all Help materials completely outside the app into their separate Help 
system in OS X.

Are any of you familiar with any materials describing the rationale for 
Apple's decision to turn 180 degrees from AppleGuide in OS X?

Research papers would be most helpful, but even offhand comments from 
interviews with Apple staff or others in the know would be good.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Feb  5 16:28:51 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:28:51 -0800
Subject: [OT] Instructional design and the demise of AppleGuide
In-Reply-To: <47A8C797.8050700@fourthworld.com>
References: <47A8C797.8050700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240809c3ce8008d4bb@[192.168.1.70]>

Well along with that thread --

[observations of HELP in the IDE]

there now seems to be some aspects of the "HELP" menu in OSX that are 
there whether we want it or not.  Like the 'Search' Menu that appears 
there  while in any application using Leopard.

When I type some common terms in that search menu like "Edit" or 
"Help", I get a few 'hits' but they don't relate to anything I have 
been using recently -- just help pages from the long-gone but 
sometimes still useful "Audion".

Nicely formatted pages and they come up quickly. What is that? It's 
not the 'help viewer' - it's built-in. Fast, too. How do we tap into 
that?

[postscript after trying search in an standalone]

Wow! Cool Leopard feature. If you type a single char in the 
help:search box, it reveals a list of menu items that begin with that 
character, then actually POINTS THEM OUT with the revealed menu and a 
big blue arrow. This would be a great boon to applications that have 
a lot of menu items. This is might be a good reason to include the 
HELP menu in all MacOS apps even though the app may not have any 
local help items.


sqb

>I'm redesigning the Help system for a couple of the apps we develop, 
>and  I'm attracted to some of the ideas of AppleGuide, esp. having 
>tutorial info directly within the software itself so users can more 
>easily perform the steps without switching back and forth between 
>applications.
>
>But Apple dropped AppleGuide long ago, and usually when I to think 
>Apple does something for arbitrary reasons I find out later there 
>was a sound rationale behind the decision.
>
>
>TIA -
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 16:40:45 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:40:45 -0500
Subject: Macintosh Modifier symbols in menuitem
In-Reply-To: <88201AE8-93BB-4B87-9E83-128A4727C5EC@bellsouth.net>
References: <88201AE8-93BB-4B87-9E83-128A4727C5EC@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1A8A3B0B-73E3-436A-9E32-FA1A15367744@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jan 31, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Andrew Meit wrote:

> Rev, don't you find this strange for a Macintosh app to be missing???
> Rev, please stop chasing after wizbang eye-candy stuff and finish  
> real bread&butter GUI stuff--Now!
> I am really getting tired of waiting for 7 years for stuff long,  
> long over due and at break-neck update/upgrade prices.

I agree that Revolution should support additional modifier keys in  
menus. Right now I support additional combinations (shift + command,  
etc.) using a front script that triggers menus but there is no way to  
visually tell users so we end up getting emails to support asking for  
shortcut keys that already exist. This reflects poorly on applications  
made with Rev.

Perhaps those interested could add their votes to an enhancement  
request that Jeanne filed back in 2005 which makes the request along  
with syntax suggestions:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3147>

Bill Marriott also filed an enhancement request last year but the  
report that Jeanne filed has some great examples of how this support  
might be implemented.

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4924>

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue Feb  5 16:53:58 2008
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:53:58 +0000
Subject: encrypt/decrypt binary data in custom properties?
Message-ID: <0002E43F.47A8E905@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

is it possible to encrypt/decrypt binary data in a custom property?

There are no examples in the documentation.

Where can i find more specific information aboubt decrypt/encrypt?

Regards,

Matthias




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb  5 17:04:55 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:04:55 -0800
Subject: encrypt/decrypt binary data in custom properties?
Message-ID: <47A8DD87.8010207@fourthworld.com>

runrev260805 wrote:

> is it possible to encrypt/decrypt binary data in a custom property?
> 
> There are no examples in the documentation.
> 
> Where can i find more specific information aboubt decrypt/encrypt?

The documentation for Rev's encryption commands should suffice for any 
data.  Getting the data in an out of a property is just a matter of get/set.

For a weak but simple encryption option, this handy handler might be fun:
<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/handy-handlers-005.html>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue Feb  5 18:03:24 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:03:24 -0500
Subject: Lib database
Message-ID: <C3CE556C.4B47%hershf@rgllc.us>

Hi all I'm in the works of creating a web site rev CGI  which the interface
is almost done, And now I'm stuck when it comes to the database part. Have
no idea how to work this out tried various different way's and ????
E.g.

#!revolution

on startup
  put 1 & getTip1() into theData
  # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout
  put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
  put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr
  put  theData
end startup

function getTip1
  get  revGetDatabaseDriverPath()
  return it
end getTip1

function getTip2
  get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","http://localhost/cgi-bin/testdb.db", , , , )
  return it
end getTip2

function getTip3
  get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","testdb.db", , , , )
  return it
end getTip3
"ERROR 500"

Any help would be appreciated.
Hershel Fisch



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Feb  5 18:49:36 2008
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:49:36 -0800
Subject: where to put handlers?
Message-ID: <200802052349.m15NnafN004071@sddev.castandcrew.com>

Deep bows to Sarah, who wrote:

> My general rule is to place each handler or function as low in the
> hierarchy as practical. If a button has a single use, then it contains
> it's own handler.

With true respect, I would like to suggest an alternative approach,
the reverse.  Place handlers as high as posssible, such as in the
stack script.

In the objects at low level, like buttons, just put calls to the handlers.
Make handlers as generic as possible so they may be called with the
requisite parameters.

Reason:  easy to edit a single script with everything in one place,
easy to find what you are looking for, instead of hunting around in
various buttons or other objects with code scattered all around.

Maintenance is the key.

Now, I was not deeply reading into the post so I may have missed
some important thoughts.  If so, apologies in advance.

Sadhu


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb  5 19:05:16 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 01:05:16 +0100
Subject: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <200802052349.m15NnafN004071@sddev.castandcrew.com>
References: <200802052349.m15NnafN004071@sddev.castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <8F2A37BC-91BF-497C-8B12-E878C4C22620@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sadhunathan Nadesan,

A lot of projects that are sent to me are unnecessarily complex  
because people try to be "smart", putting handlers in weird places.  
After 2 decades of programming with HyperCard and later Revolution,  
I've come to the conclusion that it is a good idea to put handlers as  
low as possible in the hierarchy. Only if a handler, or a part of a  
handler, is used more than once, I put that handler higher up the  
hierarchy. If I need only a part of a handler more than once, I make  
a new handler with that particular part higher up the hierarchy. If a  
handler is very short, I often put it in a button or field itself,  
even if I need it more than once. In my view, xTalk is not about  
programming "smart" but about programming quickly and effectively  
(which is also smart, but different). Therefore, I'd say Sarah is right.


Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com


Op 6-feb-2008, om 0:49 heeft Sadhunathan Nadesan het volgende  
geschreven:
>
> With true respect, I would like to suggest an alternative approach,
> the reverse.  Place handlers as high as posssible, such as in the
> stack script.
>


From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 19:16:55 2008
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:16:55 -0600
Subject: Macintosh Modifier symbols in menuitem
In-Reply-To: <1A8A3B0B-73E3-436A-9E32-FA1A15367744@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <88201AE8-93BB-4B87-9E83-128A4727C5EC@bellsouth.net>
	<1A8A3B0B-73E3-436A-9E32-FA1A15367744@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <5CBD6EC9-FEDB-45C2-ACE6-C7F00FAEE08D@gmail.com>

> Perhaps those interested could add their votes to an enhancement  
> request that Jeanne filed back in 2005 which makes the request  
> along with syntax suggestions:
>
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3147>

Absolutely brilliant proposal.  Should have been done two years ago.

J.



From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 19:20:15 2008
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:20:15 -0600
Subject: [OT] Instructional design and the demise of AppleGuide
In-Reply-To: <47A8C797.8050700@fourthworld.com>
References: <47A8C797.8050700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <60A1DB2A-F45B-453C-9D13-76FB950256C1@gmail.com>

> Research papers would be most helpful, but even offhand comments  
> from interviews with Apple staff or others in the know would be good.

So you're saying we should abstain from rampant speculation?  Way to  
cut me off at the knees, Richard.  ;)

J.



From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 19:22:54 2008
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:22:54 -0600
Subject: Books?
Message-ID: <0396EFA4-7530-449D-99C4-1B309353F3BE@gmail.com>

> Have any good books on Rev/Transcript been published, or is  
> everyone still using old HyperCard/Talk books as references?


So, I'll take the lack of response as a "no."  Any of you have one in  
the works?  I'd like to read some good references on language changes  
since HyperTalk.

J.



From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 19:46:47 2008
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:46:47 -0600
Subject: Importing a HyperCard stack
Message-ID: <2779517F-C78D-4993-B15D-1E7BAEC8DA74@gmail.com>

How does one import an old HyperCard stack into the latest versions  
of Rev?  Rev doesn't recognize the stacks via the Finder, Dock, or  
Open dialogue.  Any hints?

Thanks,
J.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb  5 20:00:41 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:00:41 -0600
Subject: Importing a HyperCard stack
In-Reply-To: <2779517F-C78D-4993-B15D-1E7BAEC8DA74@gmail.com>
References: <2779517F-C78D-4993-B15D-1E7BAEC8DA74@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A906B9.4060802@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Downs wrote:
> How does one import an old HyperCard stack into the latest versions of 
> Rev?  Rev doesn't recognize the stacks via the Finder, Dock, or Open 
> dialogue.  Any hints?

You need either Studio or Enterprise. Media doesn't open HC stacks. Are 
you using Media?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb  5 20:02:49 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:02:49 -0600
Subject: Importing a HyperCard stack
In-Reply-To: <47A906B9.4060802@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2779517F-C78D-4993-B15D-1E7BAEC8DA74@gmail.com>
	<47A906B9.4060802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <47A90739.7010805@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> J. Downs wrote:
>> How does one import an old HyperCard stack into the latest versions of 
>> Rev?  Rev doesn't recognize the stacks via the Finder, Dock, or Open 
>> dialogue.  Any hints?
> 
> You need either Studio or Enterprise. Media doesn't open HC stacks. Are 
> you using Media?
> 

Forgot to say, if you do have Studio or better, then make sure you 
change the popdown button at the top of the Open File dialog to "All 
files". It is set by default to only select Rev stacks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Tue Feb  5 20:06:30 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:06:30 -0800
Subject: Books?
In-Reply-To: <0396EFA4-7530-449D-99C4-1B309353F3BE@gmail.com>
References: <0396EFA4-7530-449D-99C4-1B309353F3BE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <608E0090-3C51-4A18-9121-BBC2CF81C600@cruzio.com>

Dan Shafer had a book going called Software at the Speed of Thought.   
He had several e-chapters for sale both on his site and on Rev's site  
a while back.  I bought the chapter dealing with custom properties and  
found it useful and well written.

Mark

On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:22 PM, J. Downs wrote:

>> Have any good books on Rev/Transcript been published, or is  
>> everyone still using old HyperCard/Talk books as references?
>
>
> So, I'll take the lack of response as a "no."  Any of you have one  
> in the works?  I'd like to read some good references on language  
> changes since HyperTalk.
>
> J.
>
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Thanks,
Mark





From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue Feb  5 21:47:49 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:47:49 -0500
Subject: Repeat statement
Message-ID: <ED8697DC-09A1-43B4-A27D-2B92759705E6@comcast.net>

OK, Here's an easy one that I can't remember for the life of me.

What is the best repeat to delete blank lines in a list?


Thanks in advance,


Tom




From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Feb  5 21:48:37 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:48:37 +0000
Subject: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <8F2A37BC-91BF-497C-8B12-E878C4C22620@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <200802052349.m15NnafN004071@sddev.castandcrew.com>
	<8F2A37BC-91BF-497C-8B12-E878C4C22620@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <E5209F3A-2D4C-4635-9393-0CB44F7B2AEC@maseurope.net>

Mark, Sadhunathan, I think we have a high/low confusion here. I think  
you're both agreeing with Sarah.

FWIW, I tend to think in terms of 'behind/in front'.

Best,

Mark

On 6 Feb 2008, at 00:05, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Sadhunathan Nadesan,
>
> A lot of projects that are sent to me are unnecessarily complex  
> because people try to be "smart", putting handlers in weird places.  
> After 2 decades of programming with HyperCard and later Revolution,  
> I've come to the conclusion that it is a good idea to put handlers  
> as low as possible in the hierarchy. Only if a handler, or a part  
> of a handler, is used more than once, I put that handler higher up  
> the hierarchy. If I need only a part of a handler more than once, I  
> make a new handler with that particular part higher up the  
> hierarchy. If a handler is very short, I often put it in a button  
> or field itself, even if I need it more than once. In my view,  
> xTalk is not about programming "smart" but about programming  
> quickly and effectively (which is also smart, but different).  
> Therefore, I'd say Sarah is right.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 6-feb-2008, om 0:49 heeft Sadhunathan Nadesan het volgende  
> geschreven:
>>
>> With true respect, I would like to suggest an alternative approach,
>> the reverse.  Place handlers as high as posssible, such as in the
>> stack script.
>>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb  5 21:58:33 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:58:33 -0600
Subject: Repeat statement
In-Reply-To: <ED8697DC-09A1-43B4-A27D-2B92759705E6@comcast.net>
References: <ED8697DC-09A1-43B4-A27D-2B92759705E6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47A92259.7040604@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> OK, Here's an easy one that I can't remember for the life of me.
> 
> What is the best repeat to delete blank lines in a list?

The best repeat is a one-liner. :)

   filter tList without empty

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb  5 23:36:35 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:36:35 -0500
Subject: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <200802052349.m15NnafN004071@sddev.castandcrew.com>
References: <200802052349.m15NnafN004071@sddev.castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <5DAB5151-AE26-4423-8B98-92D956D90EEA@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 5, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:

> Reason:  easy to edit a single script with everything in one place,
> easy to find what you are looking for, instead of hunting around in
> various buttons or other objects with code scattered all around.
>
> Maintenance is the key.

I have to plug Jerry's GLX2 here because hunting through scripts can  
be such a time consuming process and Jerry has nailed the solution.

For anyone tired of navigating through code I would suggest trying out  
GLX2. When GLX2 loads a script it turns handlers into hyperlinks. You  
just click on calls to handlers to open up the script the handler is  
in. Your hunting days will be over.

This feature is one of the greatest productivity boosts I've found in  
Rev. Go to <http://daniels-mara.com/glx2/features/> and scroll down to  
"Hyperlinks in Handlers" to learn more.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com 


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 04:06:14 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:06:14 +0100
Subject: AW: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <8F2A37BC-91BF-497C-8B12-E878C4C22620@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <000701c8689f$86f8a4f0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Mark,
Interesting to read that totally opposite approaches are both favoured.

> A lot of projects that are sent to me are unnecessarily complex
> because people try to be "smart", putting handlers in weird places.

Btw. I go the same way as Sadhu and feel comfortable with my way, especially
in maintenance cases, where I don't have to think about where a handler
could be placed. In smaller projects my "weird place" for almost all
handlers is the stack script. I do actually have only one single mouseup
handler in stack script, with cases of targets. So I uncoupled logic from
design, what has advantages and disadvantages. I don't know, if and how my
approach would work in bigger projects, but up to now, its good for me.
Tiemo



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 04:54:00 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:54:00 +0100
Subject: AW: encryption with sqlite-crypt (was Database vs Array)
In-Reply-To: <47A6EBFA.1070208@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <000801c868a6$33793360$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Viktoras,
do you have experience with sqlite-crypt? I just can't see the approach, who
to implement sqlite-crypt in my runrev envirement. They changed the db open
function. How does this fit with the rev internal revdb commands? What has
to be done to install sqlite-crypt on the user machine on both platforms
Win/Mac and how can I call the external function from rev, how do you
declare the external dll or whatever it is in rev (never done this before
yet)
Thanks for any hint
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von viktoras didziulis
> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Februar 2008 11:42
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Database vs Array
> 
> 3.  Can it be protected?
> 
> Ye, but it is not a free feature. Check this:
> http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/prosupport.html#crypto
> http://sqlitee.homepc.it/
> http://www.sqlite-crypt.com/
> 
> On the other hand you can use revolution to encode/decode data before it
> gets into the database and when extracting...
> 
> Best wishes
> Viktoras



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 06:01:25 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:01:25 +0100
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
Message-ID: <001401c868af$9e8968b0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

perhaps a dumb question, I havn't worked with DBs yet. Following scenario:

-          running a rev app with a sqlite db from CD

-          delivering the CD with an empty db, all datas kept "hidden" in a
stack

-          filling the db with the stack datas when launching the app

-          working with the db, as if the datas would be always there

What happens with the db on CD, when filling, it can't expand, or could I
define the target size of the db, when creating the db and burning on CD, so
that it has not to be expanded?

My thought was to "hide" the db datas from the user  - at least so far, as
my app isn't open.

 

Would this szenario work?

Thanks for sharing

Tiemo



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb  6 06:18:35 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:18:35 +0100
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <001401c868af$9e8968b0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001401c868af$9e8968b0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <33122A85-8E24-4332-ABB2-BFEDFF8E13DA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo,

A CD is read-only so you can't modify any file on it.
But you can copy a file to the user HD in the temporary folder, use  
and modify it and delete it when finished.

Le 6 f?vr. 08 ? 12:01, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> perhaps a dumb question, I havn't worked with DBs yet. Following  
> scenario:
>
> -          running a rev app with a sqlite db from CD
>
> -          delivering the CD with an empty db, all datas kept  
> "hidden" in a
> stack
>
> -          filling the db with the stack datas when launching the app
>
> -          working with the db, as if the datas would be always there
>
> What happens with the db on CD, when filling, it can't expand, or  
> could I
> define the target size of the db, when creating the db and burning  
> on CD, so
> that it has not to be expanded?
>
> My thought was to "hide" the db datas from the user  - at least so  
> far, as
> my app isn't open.
>
>
>
> Would this szenario work?
>
> Thanks for sharing
>
> Tiemo



Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Feb  6 06:25:54 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:25:54 +0200
Subject: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001801c867e0$dfae0c80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <47A99942.1050108@ekoinf.net>

Hi Tiemo,

try this sqlite database editor (for windows):
http://www.yunqa.de/delphi/doku.php/products/sqlitespy/index

Or you can install an sqlite plugin for Mozilla web browser.

Regarding the encryption and a few other issues (like loading tables 
into the database using sqlite's .import function) it is possible to 
communicate with sqlite using shell. From time to time I am forced to 
resort to this option.

Best wishes
Viktoras



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 06:26:00 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:26:00 +0100
Subject: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <33122A85-8E24-4332-ABB2-BFEDFF8E13DA@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <001901c868b3$0d9f2f70$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Eric,
thats what I knew, but I was also thinking, where is the difference between
filling data into a field or property of a stack (what is possible on CD)
and filling data in a db, as far as I don't want to save it - what for sure
isn't possible on CD and what I wouldn't need.
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 12:19
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: filling a db on CD, what happens?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> A CD is read-only so you can't modify any file on it.
> But you can copy a file to the user HD in the temporary folder, use
> and modify it and delete it when finished.
> 



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 06:42:55 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:42:55 +0100
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <47A99942.1050108@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c868b5$6ab141b0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Viktoras,
ok, as I see I could encrypt the db with sqlitespy, but I think I would need
sqlite-crypt for decrypting the db from within my app. What I am not clear
in is, how sqlite-crypt works together with runrev. Do I just have to copy
the crypt-dll into my app folder and call the open function instead of the
standard revdb function (what about registering / declaring of
sqliste-crypt), or how does the communication between runrev and
sqlite-crypt looks like? Perhaps I am asking the wrong questions?
Thanks
Tiemo 

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von viktoras didziulis
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 12:26
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> try this sqlite database editor (for windows):
> http://www.yunqa.de/delphi/doku.php/products/sqlitespy/index
> 
> Or you can install an sqlite plugin for Mozilla web browser.
> 
> Regarding the encryption and a few other issues (like loading tables
> into the database using sqlite's .import function) it is possible to
> communicate with sqlite using shell. From time to time I am forced to
> resort to this option.
> 
> Best wishes
> Viktoras
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Feb  6 08:36:10 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:36:10 +0200
Subject: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <001f01c868b5$6ab141b0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001f01c868b5$6ab141b0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <47A9B7CA.7080404@ekoinf.net>

Hi Tiemo,

it won't work that way. Sqlitespy uses its own "disqlite" for 
encryption, etc.
In your case you should consider any of the database servers (Valentina, 
MySQL, etc...) that support both multiuser databases and encryption.

Best wishes
Viktoras

Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Viktoras,
> ok, as I see I could encrypt the db with sqlitespy, but I think I would need
> sqlite-crypt for decrypting the db from within my app. What I am not clear
> in is, how sqlite-crypt works together with runrev. Do I just have to copy
> the crypt-dll into my app folder and call the open function instead of the
> standard revdb function (what about registering / declaring of
> sqliste-crypt), or how does the communication between runrev and
> sqlite-crypt looks like? Perhaps I am asking the wrong questions?
> Thanks
> Tiemo 
>
>   
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von viktoras didziulis
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 12:26
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
>>
>> Hi Tiemo,
>>
>> try this sqlite database editor (for windows):
>> http://www.yunqa.de/delphi/doku.php/products/sqlitespy/index
>>
>> Or you can install an sqlite plugin for Mozilla web browser.
>>
>> Regarding the encryption and a few other issues (like loading tables
>> into the database using sqlite's .import function) it is possible to
>> communicate with sqlite using shell. From time to time I am forced to
>> resort to this option.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Viktoras
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 10:19:55 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:19:55 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
In-Reply-To: <47A9B7CA.7080404@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <003001c868d3$bb45ef90$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Ok, Aciu labai
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von viktoras didziulis
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 14:36
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: db encryption and multiuser question
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> it won't work that way. Sqlitespy uses its own "disqlite" for
> encryption, etc.
> In your case you should consider any of the database servers (Valentina,
> MySQL, etc...) that support both multiuser databases and encryption.
> 
> Best wishes
> Viktoras
> 
> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hi Viktoras,
> > ok, as I see I could encrypt the db with sqlitespy, but I think I would
> need
> > sqlite-crypt for decrypting the db from within my app. What I am not
> clear
> > in is, how sqlite-crypt works together with runrev. Do I just have to
> copy
> > the crypt-dll into my app folder and call the open function instead of
> the
> > standard revdb function (what about registering / declaring of
> > sqliste-crypt), or how does the communication between runrev and
> > sqlite-crypt looks like? Perhaps I am asking the wrong questions?
> > Thanks
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von viktoras didziulis
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 12:26
> >> An: How to use Revolution
> >> Betreff: Re: db encryption and multiuser question
> >>
> >> Hi Tiemo,
> >>
> >> try this sqlite database editor (for windows):
> >> http://www.yunqa.de/delphi/doku.php/products/sqlitespy/index
> >>
> >> Or you can install an sqlite plugin for Mozilla web browser.
> >>
> >> Regarding the encryption and a few other issues (like loading tables
> >> into the database using sqlite's .import function) it is possible to
> >> communicate with sqlite using shell. From time to time I am forced to
> >> resort to this option.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >> Viktoras
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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> >
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> >
> >
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Wed Feb  6 10:36:30 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:36:30 -0500
Subject: revBrowser Memory Leak
Message-ID: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>

Has anyone noticed a memory leak while using revbrowser?

I was working with revBrowser and two browser windows and I noticed  
after quiting that my processes on my mac still included Revolution  
at 46% usage of my cpu after I quit. I had to force quit the process  
even though the app was already quit.

The app was no longer open and I did include the close rev browser in  
a repeat with revBrowserInstances (copied directly from the  
revSampleBrowser app). It closed all instances or so it seems.

Anyway, after that my computer crashed really bad in fact I have to  
take it in for check/repair today. I get the white screen hanging on  
bootup. FWIW I had a kernel panic and instead of pulling the power  
cord like I have done in the past instead I followed the dialog and  
hit the power button. Well now it won't restart. I should have just  
pulled all power, damn.

I am using my old laptop to write this. Problem is the project I was  
working on is still on the old computer so I'm stuck until I get the  
computer back.

Tom


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Feb  6 11:05:16 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:05:16 -0700
Subject: AW: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <000701c8689f$86f8a4f0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000701c8689f$86f8a4f0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <5EE1A31B-69D0-4272-BF43-5AE5276BE457@byu.edu>

On Feb 6, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> Interesting to read that totally opposite approaches are both  
> favoured.
>
>> A lot of projects that are sent to me are unnecessarily complex
>> because people try to be "smart", putting handlers in weird places.
>
> Btw. I go the same way as Sadhu and feel comfortable with my way,  
> especially
> in maintenance cases, where I don't have to think about where a  
> handler
> could be placed. In smaller projects my "weird place" for almost all
> handlers is the stack script. I do actually have only one single  
> mouseup
> handler in stack script, with cases of targets. So I uncoupled  
> logic from
> design, what has advantages and disadvantages. I don't know, if and  
> how my
> approach would work in bigger projects, but up to now, its good for  
> me.

I have two objections to placing all handlers high in the message  
hierarchy.

1. It destroys the modularity/object-oriented-ish-ness of Revolution  
stacks. If I create a particularly brilliant object (or at least a  
complicated object that is "good enough") I often want to re-use it  
in other projects. If I've separated the scripting from the objects  
it becomes much more difficult.

2. As a project grows in complexity, a stack script that contained  
all handlers in the stack could easily swell to several thousand  
lines. In this case it actually becomes *harder* to maintain, as you  
must scroll or search through a huge script to find the handler  
you're looking for. It even becomes difficult to find a handler in  
the handler list of the script editor as the number of handlers  
multiplies. I once inherited an extremely complex project in which  
the original programmer had used the approach of placing all  
scripting in the stack script. While the handlers were well-written  
and well-documented, and the stack worked pretty well, I had a devil  
of a time figuring out which handlers did what, and to which objects  
they related. After several months I *started* to get the hang of it,  
but I lost a lot of time figuring it out.

I like Jerry Daniels' axiom: Put handlers as high as they need to be  
in the hierarchy, but no higher.

My $.02.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Feb  6 11:53:32 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:53:32 -0600
Subject: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <001901c868b3$0d9f2f70$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001901c868b3$0d9f2f70$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <47A9E60C.4060801@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Tiemo,

When you open a file or program, it is placed into memory.  From there, 
you can fill variables, fields, properties, etc.  You just can't save 
those changes back to the file on the CD.

You could create some sort of multi-session built in burning feature... 
but eventually you will fill up the CD and that's the end of that story.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> thats what I knew, but I was also thinking, where is the difference between
> filling data into a field or property of a stack (what is possible on CD)
> and filling data in a db, as far as I don't want to save it - what for sure
> isn't possible on CD and what I wouldn't need.
> Thanks
> Tiemo
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008 12:19
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: filling a db on CD, what happens?
>>
>> Hi Tiemo,
>>
>> A CD is read-only so you can't modify any file on it.
>> But you can copy a file to the user HD in the temporary folder, use
>> and modify it and delete it when finished.
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 12:09:40 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:09:40 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <47A9E60C.4060801@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <003701c868e3$101e3860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Derek,
 
> When you open a file or program, it is placed into memory.  From there,
> you can fill variables, fields, properties, etc.  You just can't save
> those changes back to the file on the CD.

yes, but isn't this the same with a database, as long, as I don't want to
save the changes? Or is a database an exception with this handling and is
only the current sql set in memory - probably!?

Thanks
Tiemo



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb  6 12:21:43 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:21:43 +0100
Subject: revBrowser Memory Leak
In-Reply-To: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
References: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CC9F536C-EDC6-4922-9928-856DB0E3E6D7@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tom,

Which version of Revolution and which operating system are you using  
on the computer that went down?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 6-feb-2008, om 16:36 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende  
geschreven:

> Has anyone noticed a memory leak while using revbrowser?
>
> I was working with revBrowser and two browser windows and I noticed  
> after quiting that my processes on my mac still included Revolution  
> at 46% usage of my cpu after I quit. I had to force quit the  
> process even though the app was already quit.
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb  6 12:24:49 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:24:49 -0800
Subject: AW: where to put handlers?
Message-ID: <47A9ED61.9070107@fourthworld.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
> I have two objections to placing all handlers high in the message  
> hierarchy.
> 
> 1. It destroys the modularity/object-oriented-ish-ness of Revolution  
> stacks. If I create a particularly brilliant object (or at least a  
> complicated object that is "good enough") I often want to re-use it  
> in other projects. If I've separated the scripting from the objects  
> it becomes much more difficult.

But sometimes that modest effort can pay big dividends down the road.

For example, I have a table object that I use throughout many of the 
apps I write.  It has a lot of code, and parts are rather tricky, so if 
I replicated it I'd have a lot of replicated code and if I need to 
change it I'd have a lot of work applying those changes to each instance.

So instead I have as little code as possible in the group itself, and 
put most of the code in a library.  There's only one copy of the code, 
and maintaining and enhancing it is a breeze.


> 2. As a project grows in complexity, a stack script that contained  
> all handlers in the stack could easily swell to several thousand  
> lines. In this case it actually becomes *harder* to maintain, as you  
> must scroll or search through a huge script to find the handler  
> you're looking for.

True, so I break my code up into separate libraries, each dealing with a 
particular area of functionality (menu commands, file management, etc.).

In fact, menu commands are a good example of the benefit of centralizing 
code, since having them all in one shared library makes it easy to add 
contextual menus at any time.  If the code for menu handling were in the 
menu bar I'd either have to replicate it in the context menu, or use a 
lot of send commands.

Finding handlers is a job best left for the computer.  My script editor 
has had handler definition lookup for years, and Jerry's does too.  I'm 
sure Rev will catch up sooner or later as well.

So I agree with just about everything you wrote, but I'm not sure 
there's a One Size Fits All answer to this question.

Jerry's axiom is helpful, but the definition of "necessary" will change 
from context to context. ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Wed Feb  6 12:27:09 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:27:09 -0500
Subject: revBrowser Memory Leak
In-Reply-To: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
References: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C022B66B-42EF-4BF6-A82D-46EF9813E14F@comcast.net>

Just got back from Apple. They pulled the memory and tried the two  
sets seperetly and then reseated them and now the computer is working  
again. I am going to keep an eye on this and on revBrowser over the  
next few weeks.

Thanks

Tom

On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Has anyone noticed a memory leak while using revbrowser?
>
> I was working with revBrowser and two browser windows and I noticed  
> after quiting that my processes on my mac still included Revolution  
> at 46% usage of my cpu after I quit. I had to force quit the process  
> even though the app was already quit.
>
> The app was no longer open and I did include the close rev browser  
> in a repeat with revBrowserInstances (copied directly from the  
> revSampleBrowser app). It closed all instances or so it seems.
>
> Anyway, after that my computer crashed really bad in fact I have to  
> take it in for check/repair today. I get the white screen hanging on  
> bootup. FWIW I had a kernel panic and instead of pulling the power  
> cord like I have done in the past instead I followed the dialog and  
> hit the power button. Well now it won't restart. I should have just  
> pulled all power, damn.


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Wed Feb  6 12:30:59 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:30:59 -0500
Subject: revBrowser Memory Leak
In-Reply-To: <CC9F536C-EDC6-4922-9928-856DB0E3E6D7@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
	<CC9F536C-EDC6-4922-9928-856DB0E3E6D7@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <D3276EB9-8144-484B-A6B0-3E59FADDC0F5@comcast.net>

Mark,

Revolution Enterprise 2.9.0-dp-3 Build 520

Mac OSX 10.5.1 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM

Also, with revBrowser I think there is an issue with the backDrop  
where the browser windows will go away on backDrop.

Thanks

Tom


On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> Which version of Revolution and which operating system are you using  
> on the computer that went down?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --



From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Feb  6 12:32:00 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:32:00 -0600
Subject: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <003701c868e3$101e3860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <003701c868e3$101e3860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Tiemo,

It depends on how the Database is handled.  You will have to either test 
it out, or read the documentation for the database type you are working 
with.

The other solutions presented are definitely the best way to go.  Create 
your "default" database and burn it to CD.  When the program on the CD 
is launched, copy it to the user's hard drive and start using that copy 
to work with.

Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you are 
working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I use 
Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my coding is 
not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's limitations.

The advantage and disadvantage of programming is that sometimes you have 
to re-invent the wheel.  That's just how it goes.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Derek,
>  
>> When you open a file or program, it is placed into memory.  From there,
>> you can fill variables, fields, properties, etc.  You just can't save
>> those changes back to the file on the CD.
> 
> yes, but isn't this the same with a database, as long, as I don't want to
> save the changes? Or is a database an exception with this handling and is
> only the current sql set in memory - probably!?
> 
> Thanks
> Tiemo
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Feb  6 13:12:32 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:12:32 -0700
Subject: AW: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <47A9ED61.9070107@fourthworld.com>
References: <47A9ED61.9070107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D94C34E2-0ABB-466B-B034-120D4A81D42E@byu.edu>


On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>> I have two objections to placing all handlers high in the message   
>> hierarchy.
>> 1. It destroys the modularity/object-oriented-ish-ness of  
>> Revolution  stacks. If I create a particularly brilliant object  
>> (or at least a  complicated object that is "good enough") I often  
>> want to re-use it  in other projects. If I've separated the  
>> scripting from the objects  it becomes much more difficult.
>
> But sometimes that modest effort can pay big dividends down the road.
>
> For example, I have a table object that I use throughout many of  
> the apps I write.  It has a lot of code, and parts are rather  
> tricky, so if I replicated it I'd have a lot of replicated code and  
> if I need to change it I'd have a lot of work applying those  
> changes to each instance.
>
> So instead I have as little code as possible in the group itself,  
> and put most of the code in a library.  There's only one copy of  
> the code, and maintaining and enhancing it is a breeze.

Well said and well-argued, as usual, Richard. But I don't think we're  
saying two widely different things. When you put code that is  
specific to certain objects or groups into a library, you have still  
made it modular and easily portable. This is lots different than  
hunting down a handler or handlers in a huge stack or card script and  
hoping you have copied and pasted everything you need into the other  
project.
>
>
>> 2. As a project grows in complexity, a stack script that  
>> contained  all handlers in the stack could easily swell to several  
>> thousand  lines. In this case it actually becomes *harder* to  
>> maintain, as you  must scroll or search through a huge script to  
>> find the handler  you're looking for.
>
> True, so I break my code up into separate libraries, each dealing  
> with a particular area of functionality (menu commands, file  
> management, etc.).
>
> In fact, menu commands are a good example of the benefit of  
> centralizing code, since having them all in one shared library  
> makes it easy to add contextual menus at any time.  If the code for  
> menu handling were in the menu bar I'd either have to replicate it  
> in the context menu, or use a lot of send commands.
>
> Finding handlers is a job best left for the computer.  My script  
> editor has had handler definition lookup for years, and Jerry's  
> does too.  I'm sure Rev will catch up sooner or later as well.
>
> So I agree with just about everything you wrote, but I'm not sure  
> there's a One Size Fits All answer to this question.
>
> Jerry's axiom is helpful, but the definition of "necessary" will  
> change from context to context. ;)

Absolutely. One of the strengths of Rev, and what makes it such an  
adaptable tool for developers' differing approaches, is the ability  
it gives you to structure a project any way that makes sense to you.  
Of course, that doesn't mean it will make sense to the next guy that  
looks at it. ;-)

Still, the idea of completely self-contained "objects" is very  
appealing to me--think Shao's or Sarah's calendar objects/stacks, for  
example. Many of these modular "objects" are so specialized that  
generalizing the code into libraries might not make sense. I think  
there's an important difference between reusable, modular, "objects"  
and libraries of common handlers and functions.

Cheers,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb  6 13:25:37 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:25:37 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Derek,

> 
> Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you are
> working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I use
> Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my coding is
> not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's limitations.

Interesting to read, did you ever compared the performance on "big" datas?
Up to now I havn't found a performing way how to loop through 20.000 records
in a flat file for generic selection with a search term compared with a
select - where. Looping through 20.000 records and searching for a sting
with lineoffset() to select a list of datas wasn't fast enough for me.
Perhaps you found a better trick?

Tiemo




From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Feb  6 14:12:22 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:12:22 -0200
Subject: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802061112r1fc16454k665353f96a6ecf2c@mail.gmail.com>

Tiemo,

I've been using both RDBMS and flat files. A quick opinion is that
with SQL you don't need to reinvent the wheel and this is specially
good when you're going to do cross references and searching. SQL
stands for Simple Query Language, it's really easy to make queries
with SQL.

With flat files, you need to roll your own search routines and this
can be a huge bottleneck on your code. If you go brute force looking
every single record in your thousand+ database, you're sure that will
take a while. If you decide to optimize your searches and build your
own indexing and searching, then you'll spend a lot of time in there.

So, for my projects, I settle like this: if there's heavy searching go
with SQL, if it's just data storage and retrieval, then stack files
will do.

I must say, I am in love with stack files, they are so flexible!

Cheers
andre

On 2/6/08, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> Hi Derek,
>
> >
> > Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you are
> > working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I use
> > Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my coding is
> > not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's limitations.
>
> Interesting to read, did you ever compared the performance on "big" datas?
> Up to now I havn't found a performing way how to loop through 20.000 records
> in a flat file for generic selection with a search term compared with a
> select - where. Looping through 20.000 records and searching for a sting
> with lineoffset() to select a list of datas wasn't fast enough for me.
> Perhaps you found a better trick?
>
> Tiemo
>
>
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From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Feb  6 14:34:44 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:34:44 -0600
Subject: AW: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <47AA0BD4.3040004@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Tiemo,

When it comes to huge databases with records in the thousands then yes, 
I do resort to other database engines.  But as of yet, I have not been 
involved in projects that large.

Most of my projects involve small databases, usually with records well 
under 1,000.  So flat-file is the way I usually to go.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Interesting to read, did you ever compared the performance on "big" datas?
> Up to now I havn't found a performing way how to loop through 20.000 records
> in a flat file for generic selection with a search term compared with a
> select - where. Looping through 20.000 records and searching for a sting
> with lineoffset() to select a list of datas wasn't fast enough for me.
> Perhaps you found a better trick?
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb  6 16:42:09 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:42:09 -0600
Subject: Tracking different behavior from Standalone to IDE
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802061342h7fe4451em1ce0b2faa1511190@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting.

I'm creating a realtime project manager, sorta like the old MacProject, but
with more lines (wires). You can drag the little 'tiles' around, hook them
up to other 'tiles', etc. Fun stuff. For this sorta thing, I typically use a
display list manager, so I can easily perform multiple undos, redos and
load/unload 'projects.'

So, part of my display list manager is the display list renderer. It walks
through the list and renders the tiles and associated connecting lines.
During this process, I'm creating quite a few lines, and naming them on the
fly. For naming them I'm using this function (Chris helped me with) to
create unique names:

function GUID
  put "" into tGUID
  put binarydecode("H*",md5digest(the hostname & the milliseconds),tGUID)
into t
  return tGUID
end GUID

Works like a champ. But when I created a standalone, the wires didn't
'track' correctly and got all messed up. It turns out they were being
created and named FASTER than 1 per 1000th of a second! Who would've
guessed. So, I changed the GUID function thusly:

function GUID
  put "" into tGUID
  wait 1 millisecs
  put binarydecode("H*",md5digest(the hostname & the milliseconds),tGUID)
into t
  return tGUID
end GUID

Anyway, I couldn't believe how fast Rev created these lines.


From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Feb  6 16:52:36 2008
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:52:36 +0100
Subject: AW: where to put handlers?
In-Reply-To: <20080206180005.A3C3A488DBB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080206180005.A3C3A488DBB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D9ED877F-CCF1-436E-A92A-18FFC13C1878@mac.com>


On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:24:49 -0800, Richard Gaskin  
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> Devin Asay wrote:
>> I have two objections to placing all handlers high in the message
>> hierarchy.
>>
>> 1. It destroys the modularity/object-oriented-ish-ness of Revolution
>> stacks. If I create a particularly brilliant object (or at least a
>> complicated object that is "good enough") I often want to re-use it
>> in other projects. If I've separated the scripting from the objects
>> it becomes much more difficult.
>
> But sometimes that modest effort can pay big dividends down the road.
>
> For example, I have a table object that I use throughout many of the
> apps I write.  It has a lot of code, and parts are rather tricky,  
> so if
> I replicated it I'd have a lot of replicated code and if I need to
> change it I'd have a lot of work applying those changes to each  
> instance.
>
> So instead I have as little code as possible in the group itself, and
> put most of the code in a library.  There's only one copy of the code,
> and maintaining and enhancing it is a breeze.

Richard I think I see what you''re getting at. Sometimes in an  
approximately object-oriented way, I have found that I want different  
objects to react differently to the same message: for example in a  
simple circuit simulation that I wrote, there are different objects  
represented by groups or buttons, each of which represents an  
electrical component in the circuit. Having worked out that we had a  
live circuit, my app sent a message "apply voltage" to each component  
in turn. Within each individual component there was a behaviour (a  
method, I suppose) which applied just to that type - a light bulb  
would light, a motor would animate, etc. The method was hidden within  
the object rather than being further up the hierarchy were it had no  
business to be, as it were. This seemed to me a powerful technique,  
and indeed one which has far more general application than my simple  
example.

However I do see that if there was a lot of complex code needed e.g.  
to make the bulb light, and that at the same time there were several  
instances of that object, e.g. a lot of light bulbs, then that code  
should be in one place (a library) rather than being replicated in  
the body of each component. So I don't think the code in the kind of  
objects I described could be reduced to nothing (unless the library  
contained a lot of impenetrable switch statements to distinguish the  
different component cases). I guess this is what you mean by having  
"as little code as possible in the group itself". This is not the  
same as "no code in the group itself", which seems to me a key point.


Graham

                       ----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Feb  6 17:44:27 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:44:27 -0800
Subject: ANN: Plugin: Lock and Unlock Stacks
Message-ID: <47AA384B.2060303@pdslabs.net>

I often work on multistack applications where many of the stacks are
password-protected. I finally built a tool that gets me in and out of
those scripts quickly! Maybe it can reduce the password nuisance factor
for you too.

You can get it by executing this in Rev's message box:
  go url "http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Lock_and_Unlock_Stacks.rev"

Or by traditional download:
  http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Lock_and_Unlock_Stacks.zip

Or to see what else is available, go here:
  http://pdslabs.net/downloads/index.html

Thanks -
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Feb  6 17:44:40 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:44:40 -0800
Subject: ANN: Plugin: Shell Command Help
Message-ID: <47AA3858.7040301@pdslabs.net>

If you use Rev's shell() function frequently, you may find this new
plugin helpful. It was tested (and works!) on Mac OS X, Windows XP and
Ubuntu Linux. (It is saved in stackFileVersion 2.4)

You can get it by executing this in Rev's message box:
   go url "http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Shell_Command_Help.rev"

Or by traditional download:
   http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Shell_Command_Help.rev.zip

Or to see what else is available, go here:
   http://pdslabs.net/downloads/index.html

Thanks -
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net







From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb  6 17:48:08 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:48:08 -0600
Subject: revBrowser Memory Leak
In-Reply-To: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
References: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802061448p5d8c6b81obbf3dfaf746bff1e@mail.gmail.com>

Thomas,

It sounds like Rev isn't quitting correctly. Sometimes this can happen when
threads are open. If you're on a Mac, search the archives for information on
quitting Rev using Applescript. I seem to think something was posted about
this a few months ago.

I've used the following quitMe handler to successfully quit on both Mac and
PC:

on closeStack
  --> CALLED WHEN SOMEONE CLOSES THE MAIN WINDOW
  get the short name of the owner of the target
  if it is "myMainStack" then quitMe
end closeStack

on quitMe
  if the environment is not "development" then
    else
      --> PUT YOUR CLOSE BROWSER CODE HERE
      cancelPendingMessages
      quit
    end if
  else
    --> PUT YOUR CLOSE BROWSER CODE HERE
    close this stack
  end if
end quitMe

on cancelPendingMessages
  repeat for each line L in the pendingMessages
    cancel item 1 of L
  end repeat
end cancelPendingMessages


From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Feb  6 18:40:13 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:40:13 +0000
Subject: List or forum?
Message-ID: <BAY103-W347F77D2E2C40762F36C32AD2D0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,
 
Over the last few weeks, I've mainly been posting to the forum. I've come across one or two snags in my application's development and so have posted my questions to the forum, as usual.
 
As they're not exactly beginner level problems, would I be better off asking the more advanced questions here? Or do the helpful peeps here look at the forum too?
 
For the curious...
 
I'm having problems working out when a group of controls are being clipped as the user resizes, so I can turn on scrollbars as necessary. I can't find a built in way or doing this, so thought I'd ask before I start writing my own way of doing things.
 
The other question was getting the Core Image visual effects to work as I move from card to card, with screen locking and unlocking en route. There must be something I'm missing here!
 
Cheers,
 
 
Steve
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From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Feb  6 18:47:11 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:47:11 +0000
Subject: Doing my own geometry
Message-ID: <BAY103-W7EE49029762225582E75FAD2D0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,
 
A short while back, I remember seeing a thread about doing ones own geometry and not having to rely up the geometry manager.
 
I've had a go at writing my own, mainly so I can have a growbox that looks like it belongs to an OS X bottombar. However, there's a great deal of lag as the window updates.
 
I'd like to ask those who've written their own managers whether they were able to overcome the lag in the screen redraws and create a routine that's quick as the native live resizing?
 
Also, I only appear to have had geometry manager muck things up when I edited the properties of a control in a group. Are there any other risks that I should be aware of if I stick with it?
 
Cheers,
 
 
Steve
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Wed Feb  6 18:54:20 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:54:20 -0500
Subject: revBrowser Memory Leak
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802061448p5d8c6b81obbf3dfaf746bff1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39E4D248-C98C-4870-A1E6-27A70711B303@comcast.net>
	<7aa52a210802061448p5d8c6b81obbf3dfaf746bff1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66B937E7-C531-461B-B727-698936D7BD5E@comcast.net>

Chipp,

Thanks for the script. I will implement it.

After a few visits to the Apple store it seems I might have a bad  
memory chip and or logic board. They have ordered both. For now I  
removed the second 2 GB chip and things are back up and running. We  
know at least one of the chips is bad. So, with that said this may or  
may not be a rev issue and it may just be because I have been doing so  
much work lately in rev that it seemed like rev may have been suspect.

Thanks again,

Tom


On Feb 6, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> It sounds like Rev isn't quitting correctly. Sometimes this can  
> happen when
> threads are open. If you're on a Mac, search the archives for  
> information on
> quitting Rev using Applescript. I seem to think something was posted  
> about
> this a few months ago.
>
> I've used the following quitMe handler to successfully quit on both  
> Mac and
> PC:



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb  6 19:29:20 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:29:20 -0600
Subject: List or forum?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-W347F77D2E2C40762F36C32AD2D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-W347F77D2E2C40762F36C32AD2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802061629q6bee6971n765286dee4e65efd@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

check out the formattedwidth and formattedheight properties of a group.

They will tell you whether or not you need to show scrollbars.


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Feb  6 19:37:17 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:37:17 +0000
Subject: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802061112r1fc16454k665353f96a6ecf2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<7c87a2a10802061112r1fc16454k665353f96a6ecf2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47AA52BD.90004@anachreon.co.uk>

That'd be Structured Query Language, don't be that kind to it...

Cheers,

Luis.


Andre Garzia wrote:
> Tiemo,
> 
> I've been using both RDBMS and flat files. A quick opinion is that
> with SQL you don't need to reinvent the wheel and this is specially
> good when you're going to do cross references and searching. SQL
> stands for Simple Query Language, it's really easy to make queries
> with SQL.
> 
> With flat files, you need to roll your own search routines and this
> can be a huge bottleneck on your code. If you go brute force looking
> every single record in your thousand+ database, you're sure that will
> take a while. If you decide to optimize your searches and build your
> own indexing and searching, then you'll spend a lot of time in there.
> 
> So, for my projects, I settle like this: if there's heavy searching go
> with SQL, if it's just data storage and retrieval, then stack files
> will do.
> 
> I must say, I am in love with stack files, they are so flexible!
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> On 2/6/08, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
>> Hi Derek,
>>
>>> Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you are
>>> working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I use
>>> Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my coding is
>>> not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's limitations.
>> Interesting to read, did you ever compared the performance on "big" datas?
>> Up to now I havn't found a performing way how to loop through 20.000 records
>> in a flat file for generic selection with a search term compared with a
>> select - where. Looping through 20.000 records and searching for a sting
>> with lineoffset() to select a list of datas wasn't fast enough for me.
>> Perhaps you found a better trick?
>>
>> Tiemo
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
> 
> 


From hershf at rgllc.us  Wed Feb  6 20:37:14 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:37:14 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database
Message-ID: <C3CFCAFA.4B76%hershf@rgllc.us>

Hi all I'm in the works of creating a web site rev CGI  which the interface
is almost done, And now I'm stuck when it comes to the database part. Have
no idea how to work this out tried various different way's and ????
E.g.

#!revolution

on startup
  put 1 & getTip1() into theData
  # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout
  put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
  put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr
  put  theData
end startup

function getTip1
  get  revGetDatabaseDriverPath()
  return it
end getTip1

function getTip2
  get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","http://localhost/cgi-bin/testdb.db", , , , )
  return it
end getTip2

function getTip3
  get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","testdb.db", , , , )
  return it
end getTip3
"ERROR 500"

Any help would be appreciated.
Hershel Fisch



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb  6 23:29:30 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:29:30 -0600
Subject: List or forum?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-W347F77D2E2C40762F36C32AD2D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-W347F77D2E2C40762F36C32AD2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47AA892A.8030707@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve Checkley wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Over the last few weeks, I've mainly been posting to the forum. I've
> come across one or two snags in my application's development and so
> have posted my questions to the forum, as usual.
> 
> As they're not exactly beginner level problems, would I be better off
> asking the more advanced questions here? Or do the helpful peeps here
> look at the forum too?

Some people prefer one over the other, some read both. For the best 
possible coverage, I'd say post both places.

While there are a lot of professional developers here on the list, any 
kind of question is welcome. We don't necessarily have to be the 
"advanced" list. Anything is fair game. Fire away.

> 
> For the curious...
> 
> I'm having problems working out when a group of controls are being
> clipped as the user resizes, so I can turn on scrollbars as
> necessary. I can't find a built in way or doing this, so thought I'd
> ask before I start writing my own way of doing things.

Someone already suggested looking at the formattedheight and 
formattedwidth of the field, which would give the info you want. That 
would work fine. Another thing I sometimes do is just set the scrollbars 
permanently. If the field fits, they'll be blank and pretty much 
unnoticeable. If the field overflows, they automatically enable. The 
engine knows.

Another trick is to put the entire contents of the card into a group 
which is the same size as the card. Turn on the group's scrollbars. As 
long as you have a resizestack handler that sets the size of the group 
to the size of the card, the scrollbars will take care of themselves. 
This only works though if you are happy allowing the entire card's 
contents to scroll rather than resizing all the objects on the card.

> 
> The other question was getting the Core Image visual effects to work
> as I move from card to card, with screen locking and unlocking en
> route. There must be something I'm missing here!
> 

Can you explain more about what doesn't work?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb  6 23:37:06 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:37:06 -0600
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-W7EE49029762225582E75FAD2D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-W7EE49029762225582E75FAD2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47AA8AF2.3030401@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve Checkley wrote:

> A short while back, I remember seeing a thread about doing ones own
> geometry and not having to rely up the geometry manager.
> 
> I've had a go at writing my own, mainly so I can have a growbox that
> looks like it belongs to an OS X bottombar. However, there's a great
> deal of lag as the window updates.
> 
> I'd like to ask those who've written their own managers whether they
> were able to overcome the lag in the screen redraws and create a
> routine that's quick as the native live resizing?

I've never noticed any lag and I've had some pretty intense resizestack 
handlers. If you are game to post a script, or even just some 
pseudocode, I'm sure we can help. Managing a single growbox should be 
almost instant. If you have liveresizing turned on, it could slow things 
down because the resizestack message gets sent repeatedly. Even so, 
managing only an object or two shouldn't make much difference.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb  7 00:00:30 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:00:30 -0600
Subject: ANN: Plugin: Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <47AA3858.7040301@pdslabs.net>
References: <47AA3858.7040301@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <47AA906E.20500@hyperactivesw.com>

Phil Davis wrote:
> If you use Rev's shell() function frequently, you may find this new
> plugin helpful. 

How very useful. Thanks!

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu Feb  7 01:02:12 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:02:12 +0200
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C3D06B84.8D24C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 6/2/08 7:32 PM, "Derek Bump" <runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:

Hi All,

In general case Databases (w.g. SqlLite or Valentina) will not allow you do
this on CD. You will get exception/error on the first attempt to do
INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE  ... CREATE/ALTER TABLE

In the same time, you can with Valentina (and it seems with SqlLite also)
create RAM-only database and then use it. Difference only that your data
will not be saved to CD when your app quits.

On the other hand, RAM based db can be about 10 times faster than disk-based
one. :-)

> Tiemo,
> 
> It depends on how the Database is handled.  You will have to either test
> it out, or read the documentation for the database type you are working
> with.
> 
> The other solutions presented are definitely the best way to go.  Create
> your "default" database and burn it to CD.  When the program on the CD
> is launched, copy it to the user's hard drive and start using that copy
> to work with.
> 
> Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you are
> working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I use
> Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my coding is
> not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's limitations.
> 
> The advantage and disadvantage of programming is that sometimes you have
> to re-invent the wheel.  That's just how it goes.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

---------------
> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> Hi Derek,
>>  
>>> When you open a file or program, it is placed into memory.  From there,
>>> you can fill variables, fields, properties, etc.  You just can't save
>>> those changes back to the file on the CD.
>> 
>> yes, but isn't this the same with a database, as long, as I don't want to
>> save the changes? Or is a database an exception with this handling and is
>> only the current sql set in memory - probably!?

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu Feb  7 01:15:42 2008
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:15:42 -0800
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <C3D06B84.8D24C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C3D06B84.8D24C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <66E2CF79-76E8-40FF-8D91-E06DDA0D36E2@cox.net>

Question: If you were to use a Writable CD would it be possible to  
save the Data?

Joe Wilkins

On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 6/2/08 7:32 PM, "Derek Bump" <runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> In general case Databases (w.g. SqlLite or Valentina) will not allow  
> you do
> this on CD. You will get exception/error on the first attempt to do
> INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE  ... CREATE/ALTER TABLE
>
> In the same time, you can with Valentina (and it seems with SqlLite  
> also)
> create RAM-only database and then use it. Difference only that your  
> data
> will not be saved to CD when your app quits.
>
> On the other hand, RAM based db can be about 10 times faster than  
> disk-based
> one. :-)
>
>> Tiemo,
>>
>> It depends on how the Database is handled.  You will have to either  
>> test
>> it out, or read the documentation for the database type you are  
>> working
>> with.
>>
>> The other solutions presented are definitely the best way to go.   
>> Create
>> your "default" database and burn it to CD.  When the program on the  
>> CD
>> is launched, copy it to the user's hard drive and start using that  
>> copy
>> to work with.
>>
>> Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you  
>> are
>> working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I  
>> use
>> Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my  
>> coding is
>> not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's  
>> limitations.
>>
>> The advantage and disadvantage of programming is that sometimes you  
>> have
>> to re-invent the wheel.  That's just how it goes.
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ---------------
>> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>>> Hi Derek,
>>>
>>>> When you open a file or program, it is placed into memory.  From  
>>>> there,
>>>> you can fill variables, fields, properties, etc.  You just can't  
>>>> save
>>>> those changes back to the file on the CD.
>>>
>>> yes, but isn't this the same with a database, as long, as I don't  
>>> want to
>>> save the changes? Or is a database an exception with this handling  
>>> and is
>>> only the current sql set in memory - probably!?
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
>
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
>
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu Feb  7 02:22:41 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:22:41 +0200
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <66E2CF79-76E8-40FF-8D91-E06DDA0D36E2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C3D07E61.8D25C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 7/2/08 8:15 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Question: If you were to use a Writable CD would it be possible to
> save the Data?

No :-)

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Feb  7 02:43:58 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:43:58 +0200
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <66E2CF79-76E8-40FF-8D91-E06DDA0D36E2@cox.net>
References: <C3D06B84.8D24C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<66E2CF79-76E8-40FF-8D91-E06DDA0D36E2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <47AAB6BE.6010405@ekoinf.net>

what about storing data to an external database on a remote server ?.. 
Or is the data too user specific or privacy sensitive (or how is it 
called correctly in English?..) and there is no point to save it at all? 
What about using usb flashdrive instead of CD ? Or simply putting the 
application online to be downloaded and installed locally or maybe load 
and run directly from the web server, if it is small enough ?

Viktoras


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Feb  7 03:09:43 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:09:43 +0100
Subject: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <47AAB6BE.6010405@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <002401c86960$cc2039a0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks to all of your know how,
I have get a lot of helpful suggestions. AS always there are a lot of
different approaches to get to your target. Any remote or online
constructions can't be done, because I have also very basic equipped single
user without internet connection (yes there are still some of these species
:)
In my project, I think I will go with valentine db because I have robust
multi user support, integrated encryption feature and sql for fast selection
in 20.000 records.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von viktoras didziulis
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2008 08:44
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: filling a db on CD, what happens?
> 
> what about storing data to an external database on a remote server ?..
> Or is the data too user specific or privacy sensitive (or how is it
> called correctly in English?..) and there is no point to save it at all?
> What about using usb flashdrive instead of CD ? Or simply putting the
> application online to be downloaded and installed locally or maybe load
> and run directly from the web server, if it is small enough ?
> 
> Viktoras
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Thu Feb  7 04:26:41 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 01:26:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Standalone problems with dbSQLite
Message-ID: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

First, thanks to all for yours replies. 

I build a standalone with dbSQLite support, the generation is succesfull, no
warnings. But when I run the app this can't connect to database, in fact
seems that not found any related to sqlite...

I must register something related to sqlite before?

Any idea?

Cheers,
Josep
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb  7 04:55:50 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:55:50 +0100
Subject: Standalone problems with dbSQLite
In-Reply-To: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Josep,

Le 7 f?vr. 08 ? 10:26, Josep a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> First, thanks to all for yours replies.
>
> I build a standalone with dbSQLite support, the generation is  
> succesfull, no
> warnings. But when I run the app this can't connect to database, in  
> fact
> seems that not found any related to sqlite...
>
> I must register something related to sqlite before?
>
> Any idea?
>
> Cheers,
> Josep

Two important things to do:

1. Include dbSQLite when building your app; see Inclusions in the  
'General' pane of the Standalone Application Setting window (Menu File).
2. Use revSetDatabaseDriverPath command to indicate to your app where  
is the db driver.

A smart way to achieve this is to have a substack of your mainstack  
saved as a standalone (named below "Externals") and at preOpenstack  
of your mainstack/standalone to use:

     set the externals of stack "Externals" to tExternals
     revSetDatabaseDriverPath tExternalFolderPath

tExternals is a cr delimited list of all the paths to the externals  
you want to use
tExternalFolderPath is the path to the folder where you have put the  
db driver.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From wow at together.net  Thu Feb  7 10:00:07 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:00:07 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database
In-Reply-To: <C3CFCAFA.4B76%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3CFCAFA.4B76%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <D23087D9-035E-4A76-B9C0-0850684BA292@together.net>

Hershel,

I'm not sure if this is the answer to your question, but I have found  
problems with using http-based url's from inside the cgi folder. You  
might try removing the "http://localhost/cgi-bin" portion, since it  
appears the database is already inside the cgi-bin directory.

Another option is to use a conventional flat file database (i.e. text  
file). I've been using that with Rev cgi with no problem.

Richard



On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi all I'm in the works of creating a web site rev CGI  which the  
> interface
> is almost done, And now I'm stuck when it comes to the database  
> part. Have
> no idea how to work this out tried various different way's and ????
> E.g.
>
> #!revolution
>
> on startup
>   put 1 & getTip1() into theData
>   # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout
>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
>   put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr
>   put  theData
> end startup
>
> function getTip1
>   get  revGetDatabaseDriverPath()
>   return it
> end getTip1
>
> function getTip2
>   get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","http://localhost/cgi-bin/ 
> testdb.db", , , , )
>   return it
> end getTip2
>
> function getTip3
>   get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","testdb.db", , , , )
>   return it
> end getTip3
> "ERROR 500"
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Hershel Fisch
>
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu Feb  7 11:13:04 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:13:04 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database  (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <D23087D9-035E-4A76-B9C0-0850684BA292@together.net>
Message-ID: <C3D09840.4B85%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/7/08 10:00 AM, "Richard Miller" <wow at together.net> wrote:

> Hershel,
Hi, and thanks,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the answer to your question, but I have found
> problems with using http-based url's from inside the cgi folder. You
> might try removing the "http://localhost/cgi-bin" portion, since it
> appears the database is already inside the cgi-bin directory.
For the cgi, I don't use the "http" because I got to understand (after a lot
of struggle) that that?s only for the apache server other then that I use
the regular path, e.g. In the same folder I just put "filex.x" for the
document folder I use "/filex.x". Also I tried everything I could think of.
As you could see below in the examples.

> 
> Another option is to use a conventional flat file database (i.e. text
> file). I've been using that with Rev cgi with no problem.
I don?t think that it will work with a million record plus, db.
> 
> Richard
But what I do see that no way to invest in a non standard item or project
unless you know it in and out other wise you might end up in trouble. I put
in a lot of time and effort in a web site doing the front end and it is very
nice and works good but what does it matter the face if the brain is dead.
(despite the advise not to because its not standard and might end up in hot
water in case I will need help and to use "PHP")
Thanks, Hershel
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi all I'm in the works of creating a web site rev CGI  which the
>> interface
>> is almost done, And now I'm stuck when it comes to the database
>> part. Have
>> no idea how to work this out tried various different way's and ????
>> E.g.
>> 
>> #!revolution
>> 
>> on startup
>>   put 1 & getTip1() into theData
>>   # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout
>>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
>>   put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr
>>   put  theData
>> end startup
>> 
>> function getTip1
>>   get  revGetDatabaseDriverPath()
>>   return it
>> end getTip1
>> 
>> function getTip2
>>   get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","http://localhost/cgi-bin/
>> testdb.db", , , , )
>>   return it
>> end getTip2
>> 
>> function getTip3
>>   get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","testdb.db", , , , )
>>   return it
>> end getTip3
>> "ERROR 500"
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> Hershel Fisch
>> 
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From rgould8 at aol.com  Thu Feb  7 11:46:59 2008
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:46:59 -0500
Subject: Paying side-project for someone: Safari/Firefox bookmark/homepage
	app
Message-ID: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>

I have a need to hire someone for a fairly short-term project.? It's for a client who needs to an app to:

1)? alter the user's homepage URL in their browser, and 
2)? add 1 bookmark to their browser.? (It's for an ISP)

Specs:

This only needs to work on a Mac, in Tiger and Leopard.

Browsers:? Safari 2, Safari 3, and maybe Firefox if possible.

It needs to be a standalone executable.? Doesn't matter to me what it is written in.? It
does need to be something that can be double-clicked from the desktop.

After speaking with some engineers, the thinking is that this could all be done using
Apple's sync-services in Cocoa.? (Using Apple's method of allowing apps to update browser booksmarks
during the syncing process).? That way the browser doesn't have to quit or require authentification.

I'm sure a Rev app could be written as well, but to edit the browser's pref files for bookmarks, the
browser would have to quit first.? I'd like to avoid that if possible.

My understanding is that this cannot be done within a web-page itself due to security-reasons.? If
this assumption is not true, please let me know.

Please email me off the list if you know how to pull this off, and what you'd charge for such a task.

My off-list email is:? GouldIMG at mac.com






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From ShieldsOnTour at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 12:18:29 2008
From: ShieldsOnTour at gmail.com (Tim Shields)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:18:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3D09840.4B85%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3D09840.4B85%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <a865c50c-48fe-449c-b97f-17cc3f026ad7@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>

Hi Hershel,

What platform are you running on? Also, which version of revolution?
There was some DB/CGI related problems with the earlier 2.9 Beta -
although I think we've fixed them in the latest Beta.

Regards,

Tim.


On 7 Feb, 16:13, Hershel Fisch <her... at rgllc.us> wrote:
> On 2/7/08 10:00 AM, "Richard Miller" <w... at together.net> wrote:
>
> > Hershel,
> Hi, and thanks,
>
> > I'm not sure if this is the answer to your question, but I have found
> > problems with using http-based url's from inside the cgi folder. You
> > might try removing the "http://localhost/cgi-bin" portion, since it
> > appears the database is already inside the cgi-bin directory.
>
> For the cgi, I don't use the "http" because I got to understand (after a lot
> of struggle) that that?s only for the apache server other then that I use
> the regular path, e.g. In the same folder I just put "filex.x" for the
> document folder I use "/filex.x". Also I tried everything I could think of.
> As you could see below in the examples.
>
>
>
> > Another option is to use a conventional flat file database (i.e. text
> > file). I've been using that with Rev cgi with no problem.
>
> I don?t think that it will work with a million record plus, db.
>
> > Richard
>
> But what I do see that no way to invest in a non standard item or project
> unless you know it in and out other wise you might end up in trouble. I put
> in a lot of time and effort in a web site doing the front end and it is very
> nice and works good but what does it matter the face if the brain is dead.
> (despite the advise not to because its not standard and might end up in hot
> water in case I will need help and to use "PHP")
> Thanks, Hershel
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>
> >> Hi all I'm in the works of creating a web site rev CGI ?which the
> >> interface
> >> is almost done, And now I'm stuck when it comes to the database
> >> part. Have
> >> no idea how to work this out tried various different way's and ????
> >> E.g.
>
> >> #!revolution
>
> >> on startup
> >> ? put 1 & getTip1() into theData
> >> ? # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout
> >> ? put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
> >> ? put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr
> >> ? put ?theData
> >> end startup
>
> >> function getTip1
> >> ? get ?revGetDatabaseDriverPath()
> >> ? return it
> >> end getTip1
>
> >> function getTip2
> >> ? get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","http://localhost/cgi-bin/
> >> testdb.db", , , , )
> >> ? return it
> >> end getTip2
>
> >> function getTip3
> >> ? get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","testdb.db", , , , )
> >> ? return it
> >> end getTip3
> >> "ERROR 500"
>
> >> Any help would be appreciated.
> >> Hershel Fisch
>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolut... at lists.runrev.com
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> >> subscription preferences:
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb  7 12:47:37 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:47:37 -0200
Subject: Paying side-project for someone: Safari/Firefox
	bookmark/homepage app
In-Reply-To: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802070947ib1a40e3pcdd5da51bc018e83@mail.gmail.com>

Rob,

This is trickier than it seems from a Revolution standpoint.

I just noticed that setting the home page on safari preferences on
leopard, is not setting it for firefox like it did on the past. So
safari is no longer acquiring its home page from the WWWHomepage key
in com.apple.internetconfig.plist or
com.apple.internetconfigpriv.plist, which means that "We don't have a
clue where it is storing it!" (tm).

Browsers such as Opera, IE and Firefox have a built-in javascript
function to add bookmarks, it varies from browser to browser but it is
there. Safari did not implement such features, most of the bookmark
adding tools out there are scripting key presses thru "GUI Events" or
some other applescript way to control the input.

You may have a winner thru sync services but still making an external
to call Objective-C/Cocoa code is not trivial since externals are
C/C++ based. I am still trying to do that kind of call here with my
levels of frustration going ever higher.

You may be in need of some Objective-C command line tool to bundle
inside an Revolution application bundle... that might work.

This is my two cents for those that want to tackle such problem.

Andre

On 2/7/08, rgould8 at aol.com <rgould8 at aol.com> wrote:
> I have a need to hire someone for a fairly short-term project.? It's for a client who needs to an app to:
>
> 1)? alter the user's homepage URL in their browser, and
> 2)? add 1 bookmark to their browser.? (It's for an ISP)
>
> Specs:
>
> This only needs to work on a Mac, in Tiger and Leopard.
>
> Browsers:? Safari 2, Safari 3, and maybe Firefox if possible.
>
> It needs to be a standalone executable.? Doesn't matter to me what it is written in.? It
> does need to be something that can be double-clicked from the desktop.
>
> After speaking with some engineers, the thinking is that this could all be done using
> Apple's sync-services in Cocoa.? (Using Apple's method of allowing apps to update browser booksmarks
> during the syncing process).? That way the browser doesn't have to quit or require authentification.
>
> I'm sure a Rev app could be written as well, but to edit the browser's pref files for bookmarks, the
> browser would have to quit first.? I'd like to avoid that if possible.
>
> My understanding is that this cannot be done within a web-page itself due to security-reasons.? If
> this assumption is not true, please let me know.
>
> Please email me off the list if you know how to pull this off, and what you'd charge for such a task.
>
> My off-list email is:? GouldIMG at mac.com
>
>
>
>
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From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Feb  7 12:53:35 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:53:35 +0000
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <20080206153517.87ACD488DAB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080206153517.87ACD488DAB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-W935B82C53F77254186C4EAD2E0@phx.gbl>

Hi Jacque,
 
Unfortunately, I've deleted the original handlers and gone back to using Rev's own geometry manager.
 
I'd placed a button in the bottom right of the window and turned on live resizing.
 
In pseudocode, the button's script ran along the lines of:
 
on mouseDown
   repeat while the mouse is down
       set the rect of this stack in relation to the mouseLoc (fixing min and max rects)
   end repeat
end mouseDown
 
on resizeStack
    lock screen
    -- geometry script in here
    unlock screen
end resizeStack
 
I have a feeling that I may still have been relying upon rev to actually handle the geometry and was calling revUpdateGeometry but I can't remember now. Mind you, when I was playing around, I didn't have a lot on the card, so maybe not. My brain's a bit fried at the moment, I'm afraid!
 
Hmmm... I might have another look at this to see whether moving objects directly in code works quicker that I remember.
 
Thanks for pointing me in possibly the right direction!
 
 
 
Steve
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb  7 12:54:45 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:54:45 -0200
Subject: AW: AW: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <47AA52BD.90004@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<004e01c868ed$ac7f4960$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<7c87a2a10802061112r1fc16454k665353f96a6ecf2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47AA52BD.90004@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802070954u248394b7ma88caa521805874b@mail.gmail.com>

Oops... my bad... :D

On 2/6/08, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
> That'd be Structured Query Language, don't be that kind to it...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> Andre Garzia wrote:
> > Tiemo,
> >
> > I've been using both RDBMS and flat files. A quick opinion is that
> > with SQL you don't need to reinvent the wheel and this is specially
> > good when you're going to do cross references and searching. SQL
> > stands for Simple Query Language, it's really easy to make queries
> > with SQL.
> >
> > With flat files, you need to roll your own search routines and this
> > can be a huge bottleneck on your code. If you go brute force looking
> > every single record in your thousand+ database, you're sure that will
> > take a while. If you decide to optimize your searches and build your
> > own indexing and searching, then you'll spend a lot of time in there.
> >
> > So, for my projects, I settle like this: if there's heavy searching go
> > with SQL, if it's just data storage and retrieval, then stack files
> > will do.
> >
> > I must say, I am in love with stack files, they are so flexible!
> >
> > Cheers
> > andre
> >
> > On 2/6/08, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> >> Hi Derek,
> >>
> >>> Like I said though, it depends entire upon the type of database you are
> >>> working with.  I don't use SQL as I find it to be rather bulky.  I use
> >>> Flat Files, and I write all of my own database handlers, so my coding is
> >>> not dependent on SQL or some other type of database and it's limitations.
> >> Interesting to read, did you ever compared the performance on "big" datas?
> >> Up to now I havn't found a performing way how to loop through 20.000 records
> >> in a flat file for generic selection with a search term compared with a
> >> select - where. Looping through 20.000 records and searching for a sting
> >> with lineoffset() to select a list of datas wasn't fast enough for me.
> >> Perhaps you found a better trick?
> >>
> >> Tiemo
> >>
> >>
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From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Feb  7 12:59:03 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:59:03 +0000
Subject: List or forum?
In-Reply-To: <20080206153517.87ACD488DAB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080206153517.87ACD488DAB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-W47FA5BD11CE3888EDFC9CAD2E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the tip on resizing the group. I'm certain that it'll work!
 
Most groups in my application won't need to show scrollbars as even when the user reduces the size of the window to it's smallest allowed, they will still be visible. For this reason, I only want them to turn on when necessary.
 
I've had the CoreImage question answered on the forum and hopefully will be checking it out tonight.
 
I love having such a helpful resource behind Rev. Sometimes it's hard to see the solution to a problem, although you know one exists. Except for unified toolbars, maybe! :oD
 
Cheers,
 
Steve
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb  7 13:30:06 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:30:06 -0800
Subject: modal dialog from clone
In-Reply-To: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080dc3d0e983da4e@[192.168.1.70]>

good morning all,

Is there a way to make a cloned stack directly appear as a modal window?

clone stack tStackname as modal    -----------doesn't go modal but no 
error appears
clone modal tStackname                 -- error

--

clone stack tStackname
put it into tNewStackName    -- get new stack id
hide  tNewStackName
modal  tNewStackName        -- flickers


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb  7 13:51:38 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:51:38 -0600
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-W935B82C53F77254186C4EAD2E0@phx.gbl>
References: <20080206153517.87ACD488DAB@mail.runrev.com>
	<BAY103-W935B82C53F77254186C4EAD2E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47AB533A.3070008@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve Checkley wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
>  
> Unfortunately, I've deleted the original handlers and gone back to
using Rev's own geometry manager.
> 
> I'd placed a button in the bottom right of the window and turned on
live resizing.
> 
> In pseudocode, the button's script ran along the lines of:
>  
> on mouseDown
>    repeat while the mouse is down
>        set the rect of this stack in relation to the mouseLoc (fixing min and max rects)
>    end repeat
> end mouseDown
>  
> on resizeStack
>     lock screen
>     -- geometry script in here
>     unlock screen
> end resizeStack

A big bottleneck here is using a mouseDown handler, which you don't 
need. Also, "repeat while the mouse is down" is not a great idea in 
Revolution. Polling the mouse is very slow and taxes the CPU, and there 
is almost always a better way to manage things. See an explanation here:

  <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html>

At any rate, a resizeStack handler manages all the mousedown stuff for 
you as well as locking and unlocking the screen. It is also unnecessary 
to set the rect of the stack because when the user drags the resize 
button the rect is set automatically. You don't need to deal with any of 
those things, all you need to do is catch the resizeStack message and 
adjust the geometry when it happens.

You'll only need one handler, something like this:

on resizeStack x,y
   set the bottomright of btn "fakeCloseBox" to x,y
end resizeStack

That's it. The resizeStack message passes two parameters that represent 
the current horizontal and vertical dimensions of the bottom right 
corner of the window. All you need to do it set your button to that 
location. This should be very fast, whether liveResizing is turned on or 
off.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb  7 14:04:44 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:04:44 +0100
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-W935B82C53F77254186C4EAD2E0@phx.gbl>
References: <20080206153517.87ACD488DAB@mail.runrev.com>
	<BAY103-W935B82C53F77254186C4EAD2E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <29511A62-F1E5-49DA-8FE1-3F04DAD35ACB@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Steve,

Why do you need a button to resize a window? Why can't you use OSX's  
own little handle in the bottom-right of each resizable window?

Everybody who uses the geometry manager is bound to run into its  
limits some day, losing a lot of time fixing it or even having to  
completely recreate one's work. I'd use a script that responds to the  
resizeStack message rather than the geometry manager.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 7-feb-2008, om 18:53 heeft Steve Checkley het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Jacque,
>
> Unfortunately, I've deleted the original handlers and gone back to  
> using Rev's own geometry manager.
>
> I'd placed a button in the bottom right of the window and turned on  
> live resizing.
>
> In pseudocode, the button's script ran along the lines of:
>
> on mouseDown
>    repeat while the mouse is down
>        set the rect of this stack in relation to the mouseLoc  
> (fixing min and max rects)
>    end repeat
> end mouseDown
>
> on resizeStack
>     lock screen
>     -- geometry script in here
>     unlock screen
> end resizeStack
>
> I have a feeling that I may still have been relying upon rev to  
> actually handle the geometry and was calling revUpdateGeometry but  
> I can't remember now. Mind you, when I was playing around, I didn't  
> have a lot on the card, so maybe not. My brain's a bit fried at the  
> moment, I'm afraid!
>
> Hmmm... I might have another look at this to see whether moving  
> objects directly in code works quicker that I remember.
>
> Thanks for pointing me in possibly the right direction!
>
>
>
> Steve




From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu Feb  7 14:32:08 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:32:08 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <a865c50c-48fe-449c-b97f-17cc3f026ad7@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <C3D0C6E8.4B90%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/7/08 12:18 PM, "Tim Shields" <ShieldsOnTour at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, 
On my Mac 10.3.9, I'm using 212 what I down loaded thru hyperactiv's
tutorial. And by the way I copied and unpacked the engine stuffed it into
the cgi-bin but didn't work so I put back the older one.
On the server where I intend to host it actual is a linux v? Downloaded the
latest Linux from the /downloads
And doesn't work on any of em, unless there is any other engines to work
with or whatever.
Thanks, Hershel

And while we are at it, I'd like to suggest if any body has any interest to
make RUN REV a bit of a standard CGI tool, I think it should be marketed
separately on its own page, with its own identity,free and very well
documented as well, with the benefit to use the same language for full
applications for well..... full price.

> Hi Hershel,
> 
> What platform are you running on? Also, which version of revolution?
> There was some DB/CGI related problems with the earlier 2.9 Beta -
> although I think we've fixed them in the latest Beta.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tim.
> 
> 
> On 7 Feb, 16:13, Hershel Fisch <her... at rgllc.us> wrote:
>> On 2/7/08 10:00 AM, "Richard Miller" <w... at together.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hershel,
>> Hi, and thanks,
>> 
>>> I'm not sure if this is the answer to your question, but I have found
>>> problems with using http-based url's from inside the cgi folder. You
>>> might try removing the "http://localhost/cgi-bin" portion, since it
>>> appears the database is already inside the cgi-bin directory.
>> 
>> For the cgi, I don't use the "http" because I got to understand (after a lot
>> of struggle) that that?s only for the apache server other then that I use
>> the regular path, e.g. In the same folder I just put "filex.x" for the
>> document folder I use "/filex.x". Also I tried everything I could think of.
>> As you could see below in the examples.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Another option is to use a conventional flat file database (i.e. text
>>> file). I've been using that with Rev cgi with no problem.
>> 
>> I don?t think that it will work with a million record plus, db.
>> 
>>> Richard
>> 
>> But what I do see that no way to invest in a non standard item or project
>> unless you know it in and out other wise you might end up in trouble. I put
>> in a lot of time and effort in a web site doing the front end and it is very
>> nice and works good but what does it matter the face if the brain is dead.
>> (despite the advise not to because its not standard and might end up in hot
>> water in case I will need help and to use "PHP")
>> Thanks, Hershel
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> 
>>>> Hi all I'm in the works of creating a web site rev CGI ?which the
>>>> interface
>>>> is almost done, And now I'm stuck when it comes to the database
>>>> part. Have
>>>> no idea how to work this out tried various different way's and ????
>>>> E.g.
>> 
>>>> #!revolution
>> 
>>>> on startup
>>>> ? put 1 & getTip1() into theData
>>>> ? # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout
>>>> ? put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
>>>> ? put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr
>>>> ? put ?theData
>>>> end startup
>> 
>>>> function getTip1
>>>> ? get ?revGetDatabaseDriverPath()
>>>> ? return it
>>>> end getTip1
>> 
>>>> function getTip2
>>>> ? get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","http://localhost/cgi-bin/
>>>> testdb.db", , , , )
>>>> ? return it
>>>> end getTip2
>> 
>>>> function getTip3
>>>> ? get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","testdb.db", , , , )
>>>> ? return it
>>>> end getTip3
>>>> "ERROR 500"
>> 
>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>> Hershel Fisch
>> 
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From wow at together.net  Thu Feb  7 14:44:07 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:44:07 -0500
Subject: Getting the frame size of a wmv or mpg video for Rev
In-Reply-To: <C3D0C6E8.4B90%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3D0C6E8.4B90%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <3D42C9C5-5925-4455-BD3E-170D30E4A672@together.net>

Any ideas how I can get the frame size of a .wmv or .mpg file for use  
in a Rev app? I don't want my users to have to have QT installed. I'm  
using FFMPEG to convert videos to Flash (from inside Rev), and I want  
to be able to limit the frame size to 480x360. It's easy to get this  
data for avi's and mov's, but what about the other two formats? (This  
is for Windows only)

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb  7 15:09:09 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:09:09 -0600
Subject: modal dialog from clone
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc3d0e983da4e@192.168.1.70>
References: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
	<p0624080dc3d0e983da4e@192.168.1.70>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802071209x6816d1a7nbaff3bb91a7ae378@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Don't know if this works, but perhaps something along the lines of:

lock screen
put the loc of stack tStackname into tOldLoc
set the loc of stack tStackname to -2000,-2000
clone stack tStackName
hide it
put it into tNewStackName
set the loc of it to tOldLoc
set the loc of stack tStackname to tOldLoc
modal tNewStackName
unlock screen


From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Feb  7 17:20:45 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:20:45 +0000
Subject: Doing my own geometry
Message-ID: <BAY103-W23DC9A40D8360C15751038AD2E0@phx.gbl>


Wow! I didn't know how to work better with the mouse. That's really useful!

The reason I want to have my own growbox is because I've drawn an OS X style bottom bar. The standard growbox in Rev doesn't look right, I'm afraid, especially in Leopard.

I'm very much a stickler for making things look right.

Cheers,


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb  7 18:07:17 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:07:17 -0600
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-W23DC9A40D8360C15751038AD2E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-W23DC9A40D8360C15751038AD2E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47AB8F25.6080306@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve Checkley wrote:
> Wow! I didn't know how to work better with the mouse. That's really
useful!
> 
> The reason I want to have my own growbox is because I've drawn an OS
> X
style bottom bar. The standard growbox in Rev doesn't look right, I'm
afraid, especially in Leopard.
> 
> I'm very much a stickler for making things look right.

Rev uses OS system calls to draw windows, so I'm not sure what wouldn't 
look right. Some of what I said won't apply if you don't have a native 
growbox for the user to drag though. You would, in that case, have to 
roll your own stack resizing handlers. Rev 2.9 has some Leopard 
compatibility fixes and isn't too far off, so you might be able to save 
yourself some trouble if you wait a bit.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb  7 20:51:20 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:51:20 -0600
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <47AB8F25.6080306@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BAY103-W23DC9A40D8360C15751038AD2E0@phx.gbl>
	<47AB8F25.6080306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802071751j20ec7847tc21679c22c021a02@mail.gmail.com>

You can grab my altLayout manager at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm

and it will place a grow box in the bottom right hand corner of your stack,
though it is a WinXP one. Just change the graphic. The code manages the
resizing of the window w/out using mouseStilldown. I think I got it a couple
hundred years ago from Scotty Rossi.

(I know how much he likes being called Scotty;-)


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb  7 20:56:50 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:56:50 -0800
Subject: modal dialog from clone
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802071209x6816d1a7nbaff3bb91a7ae378@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CA37C0310239BF-904-224@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
	<p0624080dc3d0e983da4e@192.168.1.70>
	<7aa52a210802071209x6816d1a7nbaff3bb91a7ae378@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ec3d1672e4ed9@[192.168.1.70]>

Thanks, Chipp. I forgot about the offscreen trick...

sqb


>Steve,
>
>Don't know if this works, but perhaps something along the lines of:
>
>lock screen
>put the loc of stack tStackname into tOldLoc
>set the loc of stack tStackname to -2000,-2000
>clone stack tStackName
>hide it
>put it into tNewStackName
>set the loc of it to tOldLoc
>set the loc of stack tStackname to tOldLoc
>modal tNewStackName
>unlock screen

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb  7 21:16:02 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:16:02 -0800
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802071751j20ec7847tc21679c22c021a02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3D0FB62.38446%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:

> You can grab my altLayout manager at:
> 
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm
> 
> ... I think I got it a couple
> hundred years ago from Scotty Rossi.

No, I believe that would be Chipp -- any "alt-" thing is part of the vast
empire (altEmpire) that is Altuit.


> (I know how much he likes being called Scotty;-)

I'd rather be called "coach".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb  7 21:19:30 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:19:30 -0800
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <C3D0FB62.38446%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C3D0FC32.3844A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> ... I think I got it a couple
>> hundred years ago from Scotty Rossi.
> 
> No, I believe that would be Chipp -- any "alt-" thing is part of the vast
> empire (altEmpire) that is Altuit.

I need to read better -- now I see that you (Chipp) were the dude responding
to the geometry thread.

How do you like me lecturing you about your own company? :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Feb  7 23:22:32 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:22:32 -0600
Subject: Getting Rev to utilize Volume Shadow Services
Message-ID: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I am trying to gain the ability to read the data of a file, even if it
is open, or locked, by another program.  I don't need to edit the data
in any way, just read it.

I understand that this can be done utilizing Volume Shadow Services
within Windows XP, but I haven't the faintest idea as to how I would
achieve this within Revolution.

My Google searches are turning up nothing that really helps me, except
for something about using .NET to get it.  But I'm still nowhere near
being able to figure this out.

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can read a file within Windows, even
if it happens to be locked by another program?  Even being able to read
a "shadow" copy of the file is acceptable.

Any ideas... please!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb  7 23:38:19 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:38:19 -0600
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <C3D0FC32.3844A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3D0FB62.38446%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<C3D0FC32.3844A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802072038h7b9eb437t2fbc66d7b2b74275@mail.gmail.com>

eh, no problem coach!


From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 00:52:03 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:52:03 -0600
Subject: Getting Rev to utilize Volume Shadow Services
In-Reply-To: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47ABEE03.6010805@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Ah Ha!  Sometimes it's how you word your questions in Google that yields
a good answer.  I still have to test this first, but the following
solutions have presented themselves...

  1. Copy the "locked" file to a temporary location (Windows will allow
this) and then read it's contents.

  2. Use the program "Unlocker" (http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/) from
the command line to unlock the file.

I've got my fingers crossed. :)


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/

Derek Bump wrote:
> I am trying to gain the ability to read the data of a file, even if it
> is open, or locked, by another program.  I don't need to edit the data
> in any way, just read it.
> 
> I understand that this can be done utilizing Volume Shadow Services
> within Windows XP, but I haven't the faintest idea as to how I would
> achieve this within Revolution.
> 
> My Google searches are turning up nothing that really helps me, except
> for something about using .NET to get it.  But I'm still nowhere near
> being able to figure this out.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how I can read a file within Windows, even
> if it happens to be locked by another program?  Even being able to read
> a "shadow" copy of the file is acceptable.
> 
> Any ideas... please!
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 03:59:20 2008
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:59:20 +0000
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3D09840.4B85%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <D23087D9-035E-4A76-B9C0-0850684BA292@together.net>
	<C3D09840.4B85%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0802080059o657ccad5ifedb80b8798f380a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.  But in my
tests using queries performing multiple joins on several tables
containing between 1 million and 9 million rows each, Rev cgi
completely blew away Java and relational databases:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2008-January/106071.html

If you need multi-user/multi-application update/insert access to the
data, then Rev is probably not the right solution.  For other
situations, I would say don't dismiss Rev's native data structures
without thorough testing of the speed differences when compared to a
RDBMS.

Bernard

On 2/7/08, Hershel Fisch <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
> > Another option is to use a conventional flat file database (i.e. text
> > file). I've been using that with Rev cgi with no problem.
> I don?t think that it will work with a million record plus, db.
> >


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb  8 10:45:50 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:45:50 -0800
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
Message-ID: <47AC792E.4000907@fourthworld.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.  But in my
> tests using queries performing multiple joins on several tables
> containing between 1 million and 9 million rows each, Rev cgi
> completely blew away Java and relational databases:
> 
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2008-January/106071.html

This is very encouraging, as the method use describe in that post is 
exactly what I'll be making for a client in two weeks.

That post mentions "Pierre Sahores' tutorial on creating persistent Rev
CGI processes" - do you have the link for that handy?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 11:22:20 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:22:20 -0600
Subject: An Update!!!  OT:  One Customer's Experience with her Computer's
 Warranty
In-Reply-To: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47AC81BC.9010501@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I have an update on the case of Gateway not wanting to resolve issues 
with one of my customer's computers.  At my suggestion, my customer 
contacted our local NBC Affiliate, who in turn contacted Gateway about 
the situation.

Gateway is now replacing my customer's computer with a newer model... 
free of charge.  *fingers-crossed* Hopefully this one will work much 
better!  They told her it will have more memory, a bigger hard drive, a 
better video card and Windows Vista (she wasn't sure what "flavor" of 
vista).

It's still nice to know that TV reporters still have the influence they 
once had all to well.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Derek Bump wrote:
> I just felt I should share this, as it's a rather interesting chain of
> events.  I have a customer that's been having problems with her brand
> new Gateway computer (purchased 3 months ago).  Thus far, here are the
> list of problems encountered.
> 
> 
> Problem #1: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure.
>   Solution: Drive reimaged by Service Center.
> 
> Problem #2: Test Environment still loaded on PC from Service Center.
>   Solution: Operating System Resoration CD's mailed to customer.
> 
> Problem #3: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure.  Restoration CD's fail.
>   Solution: Drive replaced by Service Center.
> 
> Problem #4: Customer Double-billed.
>   Solution: Unresolved.  Gateway is "investigating the issue".
> 
> Problem #5: Unable to Dialup to Internet.
>   Solution: Modem replaced with better quality modem (by Customer).
> 
> Problem #6: Blue Screen:  Video Card Failure.
>   Solution: New card being shipped to the customer.
> 
> 
> I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for
> business use.  Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer is
> running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the machine.
> 
> I can only hope that the video card issue is the last in a long list of
> problems.  And there *was* one other issue, the installation CD for
> Microsoft Office 2007 was damaged.  Totally unrelated to Gateway, but
> still a thorn in her side.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb  8 11:44:38 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:44:38 -0600
Subject: Getting Rev to utilize Volume Shadow Services
In-Reply-To: <47ABEE03.6010805@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<47ABEE03.6010805@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802080844v1db67c01p647db24203205eed@mail.gmail.com>

If all you're trying to do is unlock a file, this should work for you:
(WinXP)

answer file "Chose file to unlock."
if it is empty or the result is "cancel" then exit to top
put it into tfile
replace "/" with "\" in tfile
put "attrib"&& quote & tfile & quote && "-R" into DosCommand
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
get shell (DosCommand)
answer information tfile & cr & "Unlocked"


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 11:47:10 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:47:10 -0500
Subject: An Update!!! OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's
	Warranty
In-Reply-To: <47AC81BC.9010501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<47AC81BC.9010501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802080847r17520552n9cc9f5e5862fd7c3@mail.gmail.com>

As a counter-comment, it's too bad that tv reporters can't think
critically, but I digress.


From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 11:58:03 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:58:03 -0600
Subject: Getting Rev to utilize Volume Shadow Services
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802080844v1db67c01p647db24203205eed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<47ABEE03.6010805@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<7aa52a210802080844v1db67c01p647db24203205eed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47AC8A1B.5070403@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Chipp,

What I'm referring to is the file locking mechanism that is employed by 
the system.  This mechanism is traditionally used when attempting to 
prevent 2 processes from opening the same file and essentially 
overwriting each other's data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking

But I'll test your suggestion out to see if it resolves the problem.  If 
it does, it saves me the time trying to copy the file first.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Chipp Walters wrote:
> If all you're trying to do is unlock a file, this should work for you:
> (WinXP)
> 
> answer file "Chose file to unlock."
> if it is empty or the result is "cancel" then exit to top
> put it into tfile
> replace "/" with "\" in tfile
> put "attrib"&& quote & tfile & quote && "-R" into DosCommand
> set the hideConsoleWindows to true
> get shell (DosCommand)
> answer information tfile & cr & "Unlocked"
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From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 12:41:03 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:41:03 -0600
Subject: Getting Rev to utilize Volume Shadow Services
In-Reply-To: <47AC8A1B.5070403@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<47ABEE03.6010805@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<7aa52a210802080844v1db67c01p647db24203205eed@mail.gmail.com>
	<47AC8A1B.5070403@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47AC942F.8070504@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Well, I tested the following solutions...

   1. Copy the file via the Windows Shell, then read it.
   2. Use the "Unlocker" program via the Shell, then read it.
   3. Use the script provided by Chipp (thank you Chipp).

... on Windows XP Home Edition w/ Service Pack 2 on the file: 
C:/Documents and Settings/<user>/ntuser.dat.LOG

Windows does not seem to want to let that file go.  I'll see if I can 
find another solution, but again, if anyone has any ideas I am all ears. 
  Thanks!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Derek Bump wrote:
> Chipp,
> 
> What I'm referring to is the file locking mechanism that is employed by 
> the system.  This mechanism is traditionally used when attempting to 
> prevent 2 processes from opening the same file and essentially 
> overwriting each other's data.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking
> 
> But I'll test your suggestion out to see if it resolves the problem.  If 
> it does, it saves me the time trying to copy the file first.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> 
> 
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>> If all you're trying to do is unlock a file, this should work for you:
>> (WinXP)
>>
>> answer file "Chose file to unlock."
>> if it is empty or the result is "cancel" then exit to top
>> put it into tfile
>> replace "/" with "\" in tfile
>> put "attrib"&& quote & tfile & quote && "-R" into DosCommand
>> set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>> get shell (DosCommand)
>> answer information tfile & cr & "Unlocked"
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  8 13:03:29 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:03:29 -0800
Subject: An Update!!! OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's
	Warranty
References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<47AC81BC.9010501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <foi5hj$k3q$1@ger.gmane.org>

"Derek-

> Gateway is now replacing my customer's computer with a newer model... free 
> of charge.  *fingers-crossed* Hopefully this one will work much better! 
> They told her it will have more memory, a bigger hard drive, a better 
> video card and Windows Vista (she wasn't sure what "flavor" of vista).

Wow. I don't think I've seen "work much better" and "Vista" in the same 
paragraph outside of MS hype. <g>
Good luck with it.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Feb  8 13:04:16 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:04:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Standalone problems with dbSQLite
In-Reply-To: <EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <15360810.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Eric,

Sorry, but I don't understand. I created a substack of the main stack called
"Externals" and in the preOpenstack of my main stack I put:

     set the externals of stack "Externals" to tExternals
     revSetDatabaseDriverPath tExternalFolderPath

I understant that all the linked externals files form the substack
"Externals" will put in tExternals separated by CR.
But tExternalFolderPath? Where I must inform it? or where?

Where is better put the preOpenstack? in the card script or stack script?

I'm confused,... :/

Cheers,
Josep M

------
A smart way to achieve this is to have a substack of your mainstack  
saved as a standalone (named below "Externals") and at preOpenstack  
of your mainstack/standalone to use:

     set the externals of stack "Externals" to tExternals
     revSetDatabaseDriverPath tExternalFolderPath

tExternals is a cr delimited list of all the paths to the externals  
you want to use
tExternalFolderPath is the path to the folder where you have put the  
db driver.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Feb  8 13:21:24 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:21:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Standalone problems with dbSQLite
In-Reply-To: <EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <15361102.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

Also when I try to create the standalone "Externals" an error is show saying
that can't open the path... :(

Any idea?

Cheers,
Josep
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From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 13:34:21 2008
From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:34:21 -0600
Subject: An Update!!! OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's
 Warranty
In-Reply-To: <foi5hj$k3q$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<47AC81BC.9010501@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<foi5hj$k3q$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <47ACA0AD.4080605@dreamscapesoftware.com>

LOL.  Now that I look at it, I'm a little shocked I said it.  :)

I suppose it's too late for her to ask for a PC preloaded with XP.  Oh well.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Mark Wieder wrote:
> "Derek-
> 
>> Gateway is now replacing my customer's computer with a newer model... free 
>> of charge.  *fingers-crossed* Hopefully this one will work much better! 
>> They told her it will have more memory, a bigger hard drive, a better 
>> video card and Windows Vista (she wasn't sure what "flavor" of vista).
> 
> Wow. I don't think I've seen "work much better" and "Vista" in the same 
> paragraph outside of MS hype. <g>
> Good luck with it.
> 


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 14:07:01 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:07:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Time to come out of our hibernation . . .
Message-ID: <532533.39500.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Any one who wants an invitation to work on the RR
Documentation Wiki let me know; off-list, and I'll be
glad to oblige.

http://richmondsrevolution.pbwiki.com/FrontPage

"Come On You'all"

love, Richmond

____________________________________________________________

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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Feb  8 14:45:05 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:45:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Standalone problems with dbSQLite
In-Reply-To: <EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <15362611.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi again,

I'm crazy,... yesterday I can build the standalone without warning nor
problems, but now can't find the dbsqlite driver?? ...

How is organized the location of drivers in Mac OSX or how organize it
Revolution?

I have some one located into /users/xxx/Documents/My Revolution
Studio/runtime/mac os x/Universal/externals/databaase drivers/

Is this the correct place to left the drivers?
Where are installed from the standalone?
Is correct copy the xxxdriverxxx.bundle into the "content" of the app?

Any help are wellcome.

Cheers,
Josep M
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb  8 17:22:12 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:22:12 -0200
Subject: RevOnRockets article on the current newsletter.
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802081422t56f6e7a1n490291d8387fb159@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha Friends,

I've just updated RevOnRockets to include the new RocketsCGI
libraries. This new version has many improvements which I plan to
describe in a series of articles, podcasts, personal talks whichever.

The new libraries include for example a CURL library and a new
flatfile library for saving sessions.

I belive that RocketsCGI (Specially RocketsDebug) is the best friend
of a web developer.

Cheers
andre

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From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Feb  8 17:25:56 2008
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:25:56 +0100
Subject: ANN: Plugin: Lock and Unlock Stacks
In-Reply-To: <47AA384B.2060303@pdslabs.net>
References: <47AA384B.2060303@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <p06240811c3d287561c40@[141.89.100.234]>

On 06/02/08 at 14:44 -0800 Phil Davis apparently wrote:
>I often work on multistack applications where many of the stacks are
>password-protected. I finally built a tool that gets me in and out of
>those scripts quickly! Maybe it can reduce the password nuisance factor
>for you too.
>
>You can get it by executing this in Rev's message box:
>  go url "http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Lock_and_Unlock_Stacks.rev"
>
>Or by traditional download:
>  http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Lock_and_Unlock_Stacks.zip
>
>Or to see what else is available, go here:
>  http://pdslabs.net/downloads/index.html
>
>Thanks -
>--
>Phil Davis
>

Your "lock stack..." button calls non-existing handler :(

Robert


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 23:04:56 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:04:56 +0800
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <C3D06B84.8D24C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <47A9EF10.1040209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<C3D06B84.8D24C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802082004r15e9a3cfm406f2350989fd9df@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 7, 2008 2:02 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:

>
> In general case Databases (w.g. SqlLite or Valentina) will not allow you
> do
> this on CD. You will get exception/error on the first attempt to do
> INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE  ... CREATE/ALTER TABLE
>

But what about a case where ALL you want to do is SELECT.

Lets say you have a 'Tour of the Museum of Fine Art', a DB with a couple of
entries for title,artist,year,description,style,image (image being a high
resolution .jpg). Because of the images the whole lot comes to a couple of
GBs so you put it on a DVD. The intention is only to 'view'. Is it possible
to save the User the need to clog their HD by leaving the DB on DVD.

What about a Hybrid.

If the above is possible, then what about an approach where your Rev front
end is stored on the Users HD and creates a small DB. The small DB has two
entries, notes and a pointer to the read only DVD DB. In this way a user
could enter their own notes about each painting in the museum, these notes
would be written to the small DB and be remembered, and modifiable as
required.

NOTE. I appreciate that this is not the 'normal/fastest' way you'd handle
this in a DB. I'm simply interested in whether this will work.

Thanks


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat Feb  9 01:33:04 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:33:04 +0200
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802082004r15e9a3cfm406f2350989fd9df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3D315C0.8D684%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 9/2/08 6:04 AM, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Kay,

> On Feb 7, 2008 2:02 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> In general case Databases (w.g. SqlLite or Valentina) will not allow you
>> do
>> this on CD. You will get exception/error on the first attempt to do
>> INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE  ... CREATE/ALTER TABLE
>> 
> 
> But what about a case where ALL you want to do is SELECT.

Then no problems, and hundreds, usually Director Valentina developers, do
this. They develop CD/DVD based projects -- for education, presentations,
catalogs, games, ...

---------
> Lets say you have a 'Tour of the Museum of Fine Art', a DB with a couple of
> entries for title,artist,year,description,style,image (image being a high
> resolution .jpg). Because of the images the whole lot comes to a couple of
> GBs so you put it on a DVD. The intention is only to 'view'. Is it possible
> to save the User the need to clog their HD by leaving the DB on DVD.

Yes of course possible, why not? :-)
 
Only difference here is that APPLICATION will work with TWO or MORE dbs:
first db (read only) on DVD, second on the HDD.

Also we have meet even more complex ideas, when play a third db which is
online under Valentina Server.

> What about a Hybrid.
> 
> If the above is possible, then what about an approach where your Rev front
> end is stored on the Users HD and creates a small DB. The small DB has two
> entries, notes and a pointer to the read only DVD DB. In this way a user
> could enter their own notes about each painting in the museum, these notes
> would be written to the small DB and be remembered, and modifiable as
> required.
> 
> NOTE. I appreciate that this is not the 'normal/fastest' way you'd handle
> this in a DB. I'm simply interested in whether this will work.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Feb  9 02:13:46 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:13:46 -0800
Subject: ANN: Plugin: Lock and Unlock Stacks
In-Reply-To: <p06240811c3d287561c40@[141.89.100.234]>
References: <47AA384B.2060303@pdslabs.net>
	<p06240811c3d287561c40@[141.89.100.234]>
Message-ID: <47AD52AA.5060407@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Robert - it's fixed now.
Phil

Robert Brenstein wrote:
> On 06/02/08 at 14:44 -0800 Phil Davis apparently wrote:
>> I often work on multistack applications where many of the stacks are
>> password-protected. I finally built a tool that gets me in and out of
>> those scripts quickly! Maybe it can reduce the password nuisance factor
>> for you too.
>>
>> You can get it by executing this in Rev's message box:
>>  go url "http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Lock_and_Unlock_Stacks.rev"
>>
>> Or by traditional download:
>>  http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Lock_and_Unlock_Stacks.zip
>>
>> Or to see what else is available, go here:
>>  http://pdslabs.net/downloads/index.html
>>
>> Thanks -
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
>
> Your "lock stack..." button calls non-existing handler :(
>
> Robert
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Feb  9 03:51:52 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:51:52 +0100
Subject: Standalone problems with dbSQLite
In-Reply-To: <15360810.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15330096.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<EC7AF198-970B-474B-8851-95C010E95604@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<15360810.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <FE1CFC43-74BB-4BFF-8D30-3F5311C508BA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Josep,

As I said tExternals and tExternalFolderPath are two variables you  
have to feed correctly:
tExternals is a cr delimited list of all the paths to the externals  
you want to use
tExternalFolderPath is the path to the folder where you have put the  
db driver.

Of course, these paths are dynamic ones:
Getting the filename of your standalone, you are able to deduce the  
path to your externals according to the platform (OS X bundle or Win  
<something else> :-)

Le 8 f?vr. 08 ? 19:04, Josep a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
>
> Sorry, but I don't understand. I created a substack of the main  
> stack called
> "Externals" and in the preOpenstack of my main stack I put:
>
>      set the externals of stack "Externals" to tExternals
>      revSetDatabaseDriverPath tExternalFolderPath
>
> I understant that all the linked externals files form the substack
> "Externals" will put in tExternals separated by CR.
> But tExternalFolderPath? Where I must inform it? or where?
>
> Where is better put the preOpenstack? in the card script or stack  
> script?
>
> I'm confused,... :/
>
> Cheers,
> Josep M

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 06:16:46 2008
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:16:46 +0000
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <47AC792E.4000907@fourthworld.com>
References: <47AC792E.4000907@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0802090316n12f01752ie411d630abdf3216@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richard,

I have a local copy of his tutorial + stacks, but I can't find it
online anymore.  I've written to Pierre to ask him if it's online, and
if not if I can send you my copy.  I'm quite sure he'll agree.

Bernard

On 2/8/08, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Bernard Devlin wrote:
> > I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.  But in my
> > tests using queries performing multiple joins on several tables
> > containing between 1 million and 9 million rows each, Rev cgi
> > completely blew away Java and relational databases:
> >
> > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2008-January/106071.html
>
> This is very encouraging, as the method use describe in that post is
> exactly what I'll be making for a client in two weeks.
>
> That post mentions "Pierre Sahores' tutorial on creating persistent Rev
> CGI processes" - do you have the link for that handy?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Feb  9 08:41:51 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:41:51 -0600
Subject: Getting Rev to utilize Volume Shadow Services
In-Reply-To: <47AC942F.8070504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <47ABD908.4040009@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<47ABEE03.6010805@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<7aa52a210802080844v1db67c01p647db24203205eed@mail.gmail.com>	<47AC8A1B.5070403@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<47AC942F.8070504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47ADAD9F.4040407@crcom.net>

I may be way off on this but isn't "ntuser.dat.LOG" a windows system 
file?  Have you tried this with any other file in the same folder?  
While you may NEED this one particular file, Windows might not want to 
give it up.

len

Derek Bump wrote:
> Well, I tested the following solutions...
>
>   1. Copy the file via the Windows Shell, then read it.
>   2. Use the "Unlocker" program via the Shell, then read it.
>   3. Use the script provided by Chipp (thank you Chipp).
>
> ... on Windows XP Home Edition w/ Service Pack 2 on the file: 
> C:/Documents and Settings/<user>/ntuser.dat.LOG
>
> Windows does not seem to want to let that file go.  I'll see if I can 
> find another solution, but again, if anyone has any ideas I am all 
> ears.  Thanks!
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>
>
> Derek Bump wrote:
>> Chipp,
>>
>> What I'm referring to is the file locking mechanism that is employed 
>> by the system.  This mechanism is traditionally used when attempting 
>> to prevent 2 processes from opening the same file and essentially 
>> overwriting each other's data.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking
>>
>> But I'll test your suggestion out to see if it resolves the problem.  
>> If it does, it saves me the time trying to copy the file first.
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________
>> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>>
>>
>> Chipp Walters wrote:
>>> If all you're trying to do is unlock a file, this should work for you:
>>> (WinXP)
>>>
>>> answer file "Chose file to unlock."
>>> if it is empty or the result is "cancel" then exit to top
>>> put it into tfile
>>> replace "/" with "\" in tfile
>>> put "attrib"&& quote & tfile & quote && "-R" into DosCommand
>>> set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>> get shell (DosCommand)
>>> answer information tfile & cr & "Unlocked"
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Sat Feb  9 09:44:58 2008
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:44:58 -0400
Subject: Can you create a Facebook widget with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802081422t56f6e7a1n490291d8387fb159@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10802081422t56f6e7a1n490291d8387fb159@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FE0A82B-99B1-4E3F-BA9B-C5C71C689EDC@oyfconsulting.com>

Curious to know where Rev fits into the Facebook continuum... Jim

Jim Carwardine,
President & CEO
OYF Consulting
Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
Fx. 902.823-2139
<www.StrategicDoing.com>
StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd.
-- 




From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb  9 11:39:50 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:39:50 +0100
Subject: Can you create a Facebook widget with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <3FE0A82B-99B1-4E3F-BA9B-C5C71C689EDC@oyfconsulting.com>
References: <7c87a2a10802081422t56f6e7a1n490291d8387fb159@mail.gmail.com>
	<3FE0A82B-99B1-4E3F-BA9B-C5C71C689EDC@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F6F72284-9ABC-4C2B-80AD-94450D6B245A@mac.com>


On 9 Feb 2008, at 15:44, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Curious to know where Rev fits into the Facebook continuum... Jim

http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php

Rev can do HTTP requests, so all you need is an API key, and to follow  
their (quite understandably written) guidelines.

have fun
Bj?rnke


-- 

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http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  9 11:52:41 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:52:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: "Read it and weep"
Message-ID: <948683.80195.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, I, for one, have been messing around with the
Wiki:

http://richmondsrevolution.pbwiki.com/FrontPage

I would be very grateful if you could manage at least
one of the following:

1. Have a look at it and send me, preferably
constructive, off-list, feedback.

2. Have a look at it and think "I could contribute
there" and send me
an off-list request for an invitation.

3. Have a look at it and think "I could do a lot
better" and send me
an off-list request for an invitation.

3. Have a look at it and think "I could do a lot
better" and start your own Wiki and let us, On-List,
all know about it.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


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From DFlan at roadrunner.com  Sat Feb  9 12:38:09 2008
From: DFlan at roadrunner.com (David Flanders)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:38:09 -0500
Subject: Machine() reports unknown...
Message-ID: <611C342B-ACF3-4649-8EFA-47D2FAC05864@roadrunner.com>

Hi,

just tested machine() in the message box and it returned "unknown".   
Any help?

tia

David

David Flanders
--------------------
DFlan at roadrunner.com
--------------------

Environment: OSX 10.4.11
Intel core 2 duo 2.33 Ghz
17" PowerBook Pro
RR 2.8.1



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  9 13:21:50 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:21:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Minimize Custom shaped stacks
Message-ID: <15380763.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Recently i was adding a Minimize button to a custom shaped stack,
and to my surprise, the stack does not minimize at all,
but moves near to the bottom of the screen where only
a small portion of the top is visible.

To maximize the stack, i just have to do is double click
on the visible portion of the stack. 

Is this the normal behavior of minimized custom shaped stacks?
I hoped that the minimized stack show a button in the bar, like toplevel
stacks do.

Any insight to correct this behavior is welcome.

Thanks in advance

alejandro
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Minimize-Custom-shaped-stacks-tp15380763p15380763.html
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Feb  9 14:10:39 2008
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:10:39 -0600
Subject: Machine() reports unknown...
In-Reply-To: <611C342B-ACF3-4649-8EFA-47D2FAC05864@roadrunner.com>
References: <611C342B-ACF3-4649-8EFA-47D2FAC05864@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <20080209131039228298.e7b4e62d@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:38:09 -0500, David Flanders wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> just tested machine() in the message box and it returned "unknown".  
> Any help?

Well, if this is OS X, you can use shell() to get the data (you need to 
parse it a little though). Here's something to get you started:

  put shell("system_profiler SPHardwareDataType") into field 1

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From toeloop at swissonline.ch  Sat Feb  9 14:51:28 2008
From: toeloop at swissonline.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_B=E4hler?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:51:28 +0100
Subject: trunc
Message-ID: <8E1CED5A-67BE-4CA0-B807-F443DBD919B8@swissonline.ch>

Strange beahviour of the trunc function. This script:

on mouseUp
   put 8.1 into Zahl
   put Zahl - trunc(Zahl) into Dezimal
   put Dezimal*60 & comma & trunc(Dezimal*60)
end mouseUp

should return 6,6
but instead I get 6,5

If I change the first line to
   put 8.2 into Zahl

I get 12,11

with
   put 8.3 into Zahl
I get 18,18 as expected

RunRev 2.8.1 on Mac OSX 10.4.11

Any explanation?

Thanks Thomas



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Feb  9 15:05:26 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:05:26 +0000
Subject: trunc
In-Reply-To: <8E1CED5A-67BE-4CA0-B807-F443DBD919B8@swissonline.ch>
References: <8E1CED5A-67BE-4CA0-B807-F443DBD919B8@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <C36A5AC5-DB97-46DF-9DB3-5524E35A0A62@maseurope.net>

Thomas, there is an explanation of anomalies with trunc() (and a  
solution) from Mark Waddingham here:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/67370/focus=67373

Best

Mark

On 9 Feb 2008, at 19:51, Thomas B?hler wrote:

> Strange beahviour of the trunc function. This script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put 8.1 into Zahl
>   put Zahl - trunc(Zahl) into Dezimal
>   put Dezimal*60 & comma & trunc(Dezimal*60)
> end mouseUp
>
> should return 6,6
> but instead I get 6,5
>
> If I change the first line to
>   put 8.2 into Zahl
>
> I get 12,11
>
> with
>   put 8.3 into Zahl
> I get 18,18 as expected
>
> RunRev 2.8.1 on Mac OSX 10.4.11
>
> Any explanation?
>
> Thanks Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat Feb  9 15:26:08 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:26:08 -0800
Subject: video profiles license key?
Message-ID: <11646750-87A5-4F8A-93FC-345B83A29F14@cruzio.com>

I did a documentation search on profiles and got a video or pdf option  
of a tutorial on profiles.  But to download either I have to enter my  
video profiles license key?  What is that all about?
Thanks,
Mark





From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Feb  9 15:36:00 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:36:00 +0000
Subject: Doing my own geometry
In-Reply-To: <20080209180005.F00C84890C6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080209180005.F00C84890C6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-W29A29E5B3D243720614ADEAD280@phx.gbl>


> Rev uses OS system calls to draw windows, so I'm not sure what wouldn't 
> look right. Some of what I said won't apply if you don't have a native 
> growbox for the user to drag though. You would, in that case, have to 
> roll your own stack resizing handlers. Rev 2.9 has some Leopard 
> compatibility fixes and isn't too far off, so you might be able to save 
> yourself some trouble if you wait a bit.

I'm trying to emulate the look of Automator as it appears in Leopard. Its bottom bar contains some controls and is about 22 pixels high. The standard Rev growbox is that of a document, which would be something like 16 pixels tall. It also has a frame around it, which some Mac apps like Automator don't have.

I'm quite excited about 2.9, but haven't spent too much time trying out the beta.

I tried doing my own geometry with the mouseMove set up that you described so well in your article. I must admit it was a lot quicker but still not as fast as the native geometry manager. Mind you, I do most of my coding on an 800Mhz Mac and I am shifting a lot of images, buttons and fields about in order to get that perfect UI.

I'll stick with the native geometry manager for the time being as I'm only aware of it mucking up in one situation only.

Cheers,


Steve
_________________________________________________________________
Who's friends with who and co-starred in what?
http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Feb  9 15:43:06 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:43:06 -0800
Subject: video profiles license key?
In-Reply-To: <11646750-87A5-4F8A-93FC-345B83A29F14@cruzio.com>
References: <11646750-87A5-4F8A-93FC-345B83A29F14@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <p06240816c3d3c0a447d1@[192.168.1.70]>

the number is included in the email that you got when you paid for 
your license, or upgraded.


>I did a documentation search on profiles and got a video or pdf 
>option of a tutorial on profiles.  But to download either I have to 
>enter my video profiles license key?  What is that all about?
>Thanks,
>Mark
>

-- 


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From tsnyder at mddev.com  Sat Feb  9 17:34:39 2008
From: tsnyder at mddev.com (tsnyder at mddev.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:34:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Getting the frame size of a wmv or mpg video for Rev
In-Reply-To: <20080208180005.E334F489FED@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080208180005.E334F489FED@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <51131.69.123.80.30.1202596479.squirrel@mail.mddev.com>

> Any ideas how I can get the frame size of a .wmv or .mpg file for use
> in a Rev app? I don't want my users to have to have QT installed. I'm
> using FFMPEG to convert videos to Flash (from inside Rev), and I want
> to be able to limit the frame size to 480x360. It's easy to get this
> data for avi's and mov's, but what about the other two formats? (This
> is for Windows only)
You could write a quick external which uses DirectShow's IMediaDetector
interface to query the files frame size.

Best,
Tuviah Snyder
Lead programmer, MediaWan
Solid State Logic, Inc.
http://www.solid-state-logic.com/




From wow at together.net  Sat Feb  9 19:59:49 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:59:49 -0500
Subject: Getting the frame size of a wmv or mpg video for Rev
In-Reply-To: <51131.69.123.80.30.1202596479.squirrel@mail.mddev.com>
References: <20080208180005.E334F489FED@mail.runrev.com>
	<51131.69.123.80.30.1202596479.squirrel@mail.mddev.com>
Message-ID: <68BEA9A8-B291-462D-9D38-469063310A3B@together.net>

No, Tuviah... YOU could write it. I can't.
Wish I could, though.

Thanks for the suggestion. I may have to take you up on it.
Richard


On Feb 9, 2008, at 5:34 PM, tsnyder at mddev.com wrote:

>> Any ideas how I can get the frame size of a .wmv or .mpg file for use
>> in a Rev app? I don't want my users to have to have QT installed. I'm
>> using FFMPEG to convert videos to Flash (from inside Rev), and I want
>> to be able to limit the frame size to 480x360. It's easy to get this
>> data for avi's and mov's, but what about the other two formats? (This
>> is for Windows only)
> You could write a quick external which uses DirectShow's  
> IMediaDetector
> interface to query the files frame size.
>
> Best,
> Tuviah Snyder
> Lead programmer, MediaWan
> Solid State Logic, Inc.
> http://www.solid-state-logic.com/
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  9 21:03:40 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:03:40 -0800
Subject: trunc
Message-ID: <47AE5B7C.4080003@fourthworld.com>

Thomas B?hler wrote:
> Strange beahviour of the trunc function. This script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put 8.1 into Zahl
>    put Zahl - trunc(Zahl) into Dezimal
>    put Dezimal*60 & comma & trunc(Dezimal*60)
> end mouseUp
> 
> should return 6,6
> but instead I get 6,5
> 
> If I change the first line to
>    put 8.2 into Zahl
> 
> I get 12,11
> 
> with
>    put 8.3 into Zahl
> I get 18,18 as expected
> 
> RunRev 2.8.1 on Mac OSX 10.4.11
> 
> Any explanation?

It works that way because of a widespread acceptance of the failure of
machines to represent numbers logically.

You can work around this using a function that apparently eludes the
authors of most languages:

function logicalTrunc n
   if n is not a number then return "NAN"
   get offset(".", n)
   if it > 0 then
      delete char it to -1 of n
   end if
   return n
end logicalTrunc


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From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Feb  9 21:18:16 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:18:16 +0000
Subject: Creating globals on the fly
Message-ID: <BAY103-W8D2343665599C2F46A3F5AD290@phx.gbl>


Hi all,

It's getting late, so I'm probably missing something obvious.

I'm trying to write a set of generic handlers that fetches and replaces data from a global variable that contains its data in a table (or array, if they're the same thing - not sure of the nomenclature here!). The reason I'm not working with variables directly is because in the future, I might want to swap saved files with a database. Plus, it's easier to save a few of these master variables to a file and clean out them out when the user loads in a new file.

Anyways, when the variable hasn't been created, the handler works: it creates the new global variable and puts the required data into it. Lovely.

Problem is, when I then try to use the handler to add a second line or replace theElements of the first, it creates an entirely new global varible with a name of the data I stuck in the correct global variable.

Any help gratefully received!


Steve

--

on writeToTable whichTable, whichKey, whichCase, theElements
  do "global " & whichTable
  do "put " & whichTable && "into tempTable"

  set itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)

  put lineOffset (whichKey & "_" & whichCase, tempTable) into theLine
  
  if theLine> 0 then
    put theElements into item 4 of line theLine of tempTable
  else
    put whichKey&"_"&whichCase into line (number of lines of tempTable) + 1 of tempTable
    put whichKey into item 2 of last line of tempTable
    put whichCase into item 3 of last line of tempTable
    put theElements into item 4 of last line of tempTable
  end if
  
  do "put tempTable into" && whichTable
end writeToTable
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From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Feb  9 21:37:35 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:37:35 +0000
Subject: Creating globals on the fly
Message-ID: <BAY103-W2138C4DC1DB11C49C415EEAD290@phx.gbl>


Gaaah, I worked it out. :o)

When I executed the command, I needed to put the variable I was after (the one that was picked up by whichTable) into quotes!

Works nicely now!



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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 02:52:50 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:52:50 +0800
Subject: filling a db on CD, what happens?
In-Reply-To: <C3D315C0.8D684%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <f73a98160802082004r15e9a3cfm406f2350989fd9df@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3D315C0.8D684%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802092352p3b2359d2i5dc3979ffe270fd1@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 9, 2008 2:33 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:

>
> Also we have meet even more complex ideas, when play a third db which is
> online under Valentina Server.
>

Hadn't thought that far in advance but good to know that such flexibility is
possible.

Thanks


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 03:15:01 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:15:01 +0800
Subject: trunc
In-Reply-To: <47AE5B7C.4080003@fourthworld.com>
References: <47AE5B7C.4080003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802100015l75a9f09bm423f77792edca2b8@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 10, 2008 10:03 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>
> function logicalTrunc n
>   if n is not a number then return "NAN"
>   get offset(".", n)
>   if it > 0 then
>      delete char it to -1 of n
>   end if
>   return n
> end logicalTrunc
>
> or

function anotherLogicalTrunc n
  if n is not a number then return "NAN"
  set the itemDelimiter to "."
  return item 1 of n
end anotherLogicalTrunc


From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 10 12:46:40 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:46:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" oddities
Message-ID: <441280.46400.qm@web54111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm crossing my fingers that I can explain this concisely, coherently
and without being too boring.

I've been having some menu bar weirdness and I'm wondering if there's a
better way of doing things that what I've arrived at.

Here's what's happening...

When I check the box "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS", and run my app as a
standalone on OS X, the window loses an ADDITIONAL 22 pixels.

To illustrate:
- stack height w/ menu bar visible: 427
- stack height w/o menu bar visible (in the IDE on OS X): 405
- stack height in OS X standalone shrinks to: 383

I've coded around this as follows:
- In my openStack handler (didn't work in preOpenStack):
on openStack
  if the short name of this stack is the mainStack of this stack then
    if platform() is "Win32" then
      -- add 22 pixels to the stack's minHeight when running on Windows
      set the minHeight of this stack to the minHeight of this stack +
22
    end if

    -- check to see if stack is below minHeight and adjust if necessary
    if (height of this stack) < (minHeight of this stack) then
      set the height of this stack to minHeight of this stack
    end if

    openPrefsFile gPrefsStackName
  end if
end openStack

Now, that's not too bad. Annoying but not too bad. It seems that if
Revolution is going to scale and scroll the window to hide the menu bar
on the mac, it ought to adjust the minHeight along with that. I can't
imagine a scenario where the minHeight shouldn't change by 22 pixels
when a non-adjustable strip of UI elements is added/removed from a
window.

On to the next item...

I've taken people's advice and started using a resizeStack handler to
adjust UI elements in my stack rather than the geometry manager. (Got
tired of adding a new widget to a window and then having all the other
elements go insane when the stack was resized.)

With "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" still checked and running in a stand
alone on OS X, there are apparently now 22 extra pixels at the bottom
of the stack that are not accounted for- i.e. getting the height of the
stack reports 22 pixels less than what's actually there.

So, my code to move a button to the bottom of the window:
  set the bottom of button SomeButton to (height of this stack - 7)

...would now have an extra 22 pixel gap between my controls and the
bottom of the window.

To correct for this on the Mac, I had to add the following to my
resizeStack handler:
  if (the platform is "MacOS") then
    put 22 into lAddOffset
  else
    put 0 into lAddOffset
  end if

...and then change my set statement to be as follows:
  set the bottom of button theButton to (height of this stack - 7 +
lAddOffset)

Now, all of this is working and my app looks and resizes properly on OS
X and Windows XP. It took a little while to devise and there was a fair
amount of frustration along the way.

So, I'm wondering- are other people having these issues when using "Set
as Menu Bar on Mac OS"?

Has anyone found (a) better work around(s)?

This is the real end of my email.

...but, for those of you who may still be interested...

I started out not having "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" checked.

I was using the following to show/hide the menu bar:
on preOpenStack
  if the short name of this stack is the mainStack of this stack then
    if the platform is "MacOS" and the environment is not "development"
then
      set the defaultMenubar to "Menubar 1"
      hide group "Menubar 1"
    else
      show group "Menubar 1"
    end if
  end if
end preOpenStack

Then, I had code to loop through my fields & buttons and scoot them all
up 22 pixels.

Then, I was resizing the window.

As far as appearance was concerned, this worked beautifully. However,
it triggered a very irritating bug with Command + Z.

No lie, it was like there were two instances of my code.

I have a large scrolling field that displays the contents of text file.
I could tab to that field, press Command + A to select all text, press
Command + X to cut, and then press Command + Z and all the text would
come back.

However, once I clicked a button on my stack that modified the text in
that field, I could no longer press Command + Z and revert to the
previous contents. I had to use the pointer to select Undo from the
menu.

Once I figured out what was happening and reverted back to having "Set
as Menu Bar on Mac OS" checked, the dual instances of my Undo handler
went away. Very weird.

In searching http://quality.runrev.com/, I found another report that
shows I might not be crazy when it comes to this duality of Command +
Z:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2366


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 10 13:21:44 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:21:44 -0600
Subject: "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" oddities
In-Reply-To: <441280.46400.qm@web54111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <441280.46400.qm@web54111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47AF40B8.7020703@hyperactivesw.com>

Russell Martin wrote:

> When I check the box "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS", and run my app as a
> standalone on OS X, the window loses an ADDITIONAL 22 pixels.

This is an ancient bug that still isn't fixed, and it makes me crazy. It 
doesn't happen with all stacks, only with some, and I'm not sure what 
the difference is. There's a bug report on it:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2271>

It is confirmed but not fixed. I should mention that this behavior only 
happens in Rev's IDE. If you build with the MetaCard IDE it doesn't.

> With "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" still checked and running in a stand
> alone on OS X, there are apparently now 22 extra pixels at the bottom
> of the stack that are not accounted for- i.e. getting the height of the
> stack reports 22 pixels less than what's actually there.

This is because the height of the stack is the same as the height of the 
window; the two terms are pretty much interchangeable. What you want is 
the height of the card, which will include the pixels that have scrolled 
offscreen.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat Feb  9 16:14:53 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:14:53 -0800
Subject: video profiles license key?
In-Reply-To: <p06240816c3d3c0a447d1@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <11646750-87A5-4F8A-93FC-345B83A29F14@cruzio.com>
	<p06240816c3d3c0a447d1@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <5AAACC35-289D-4ED1-8DEF-602B21DE3A9C@cruzio.com>

Thanks.

On Feb 9, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> the number is included in the email that you got when you paid for  
> your license, or upgraded.
>
>
>> I did a documentation search on profiles and got a video or pdf  
>> option of a tutorial on profiles.  But to download either I have to  
>> enter my video profiles license key?  What is that all about?
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>


Thanks,
Mark





From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Feb 10 15:03:39 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:03:39 +0100
Subject: "Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" oddities
In-Reply-To: <20080210180005.65785489249@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080210180005.65785489249@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0653CA7-EBCA-4358-BC11-9306AAE1833F@derbrill.de>

I also just hate how menubars (do not) work on mac Os X. However with  
all problematic stacks I had the problem went away with hiding the  
menubar group. So I have something like this on preopenstack


on preOpenStack
   if "mac" is in the platform then
     hide grp "myMenus"
   else
     show grp "myMenus"
   end if
end preOpenStack


Hope that helps,

Malte


From toeloop at swissonline.ch  Sun Feb 10 16:57:20 2008
From: toeloop at swissonline.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_B=E4hler?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:57:20 +0100
Subject: trunc
Message-ID: <27D6F68D-D012-4435-B14A-1BE585802A35@swissonline.ch>

What a relieve, machines aren't locial! A bit sad though that they're  
not that talkative about their spleens.

Thanks a lot to the humans on this list!

Thomas


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Feb 10 17:19:57 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:19:57 -1000
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0802080059o657ccad5ifedb80b8798f380a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D23087D9-035E-4A76-B9C0-0850684BA292@together.net>	<C3D09840.4B85%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<edcc7e6b0802080059o657ccad5ifedb80b8798f380a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47AF788D.5090703@hindu.org>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.  But in my
> tests using queries performing multiple joins on several tables
> containing between 1 million and 9 million rows each, Rev cgi
> completely blew away Java and relational databases:
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2008-January/106071.html
>
> If you need multi-user/multi-application update/insert access to the
> data, then Rev is probably not the right solution.  For other
> situations, I would say don't dismiss Rev's native data structures
> without thorough testing of the speed differences when compared to a
> RDBMS.
>
> Bernard
>
>
>   
We use shell calls to PostGresSql on our server... from inside Rev CGI's 
...it's easy if you
know your SQL language... just build a query and send it to the dbase, 
get the result.

Then you don't need to worry about drivers and paths to them ....

Sorry for long post, but since Rev CGI is so hot...

Here's a snippet (with finesse from Andre who is a wizard with format...)
for a standard insert query, your insert values (params here) are coming 
in from the POST:

function insertEntry pUser, pCode, pTime, pDescr
     put format("INSERT INTO event (user_id, event_code, event_time, 
description) VALUES ('%s','%s','%s','%s');",pUser, pCode, pTime, pDescr) 
into  tSQLQuery
     put tSQLQuery into url "file:/tmp/Verify.sql"
     put format("psql -F $\'\\t\' yourDbase -f /tmp/Verify.sql") into 
command_string

  # run the SQL commands and send the results back to the calling program
      set shellCommand to "/bin/sh"
      put shell(command_string)  after tSQLQueryResult
      return tSQLQueryResult
end insertEntry

Note the little "trick" of writing the query to disk and then calling it 
back by reading it into the SQL shell cmd.

You can also push unix style variables to shell like this:

 put tWrappedMsg into tMsg
  replace cr WITH "\n" in tMsg
  put tMsg into  $DailyHPIEmail
  --put tMsg; exit to top

  # Do shell stuff and send mail
 
  set the shellcommand to "/bin/sh"
  put "echo -e $DailyHPIEmail | sendmail -f hpi.list at hindu.org " & (fld 
"to" of cd "staticText")  into tCmd

this works on OSX with PostFix enabled for sending mail ...

But, we never bothered to try that for psql...or maybe we did but it 
didn't work.. can't recall...anyway, the pattern of calling your query 
from a file means you can keep nicely formated normal SQL queries in   
files/libs  (or on cards in stacks...) and you don't have to build  them 
run time in your CGI...they are easier to read, maintain and debug as 
separate files...

Have fun...

and a bit of history:

FWIW: There were discussions a year or two ago about how robust this 
solution could be without a "persistent Revolution process" someone 
replied that he had been using Rev CGI where a new instance was called 
each time. he said it scaled up to the millions of hits. No problems.

 We only use Rev CGI on our server...
(well almost... PHP is also being called  by XOOPS and PMWiki)  there 
are no persistent processes. a new instance is called for *every* GET 
request for every page at http:// www.himalayanacademy.com. We use 
include exec SSI's to bring in page chunks, and these trigger Rev CGI's 
for *every* single page that is delivered..

<div id="linkList">
        <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/local_nav_include.cgi" -->
</div>

pulls in a unique set of side bar links depending on the "realm" where 
the page lives
(anyone need that? email me off line)

and meanwhile also I have a custom 404 CGI and redirect that is 
constantly firing to handle in coming redirects (mostly mapping short, 
"sweet" URL's published in print to their real deep locations) 

(I can also send you that too)

Meanwhile other CGI's are doing more robust stuff like processing Credit 
card transactions and handling form submissions.... no problem... Now I 
can't vouch for more than 30-50 instances a second... what would happen, 
but we are in that range right now, Apache and the CPUs hardly blink... 
and see no slow down whatsoever. I'm no expert but I think a persistent 
Rev process will "die" on the first hard script error... so there are 
advantages to just letting Apache load rev on every single call...watch 
out for zombies ... if you don't close the cgi properly you can get hung 
Rev CGI processes, but, because these are separate instances of Rev... 
they don't terminate your web site... just slow it down as each zombie 
starts eating the CPU speeds..  I once had up to 8 hung CGI processes 
... Nothing "bad" happened... the sites were sluggish but functional 
until I got back from a weekend and someone said "your site turned to 
cold molasses" or worst case scenario.. I really blew it on a script for 
one form and users are getting 404's for that one page only. Whereas if 
your persistent Rev Process died and *all* your cgi's were tied to it. 
then a single failure will bring down the entire framework for anything 
but static HTML delivery... All pages using the "persistent processes" 
will start returning errors... depending on how  serious the problem is 
(you have a wait or something blocking I think the whole engine 
stops....) ... But, allowing Apache to call up a single instance of even 
a "wonky" rev CGI  (I can't figure out why some of them do not terminate 
properly, but only sometimes......) for every POST or GET call and one 
fails... the user hardly notices... he can just click "submit" a second 
time and this time it works...

Go in to TOP and kill them and you are back in business... meanwhile 
Apache keeps serving pages all the while... I've been cleaning out the 
old "bad" cgi's and now we hardly ever see it...

Our web server uses 2 dual XEON processors so that's 4 CPU's  on a 
dedicated server...so that helps...if you are running on a shared 
virtual space... not sure what happens. But someone observed that 
today's CPU speeds far outstrip the network, hard disk I/O, and 
Apache... so the "worry" about calling an instance of REvolution into 
memory on every hit, is mostly theoretical... in fact, the CPU + REV 
"engine" is way, way ahead of Apache, disk I/O and the outGoing pipe 
speeds... no problem at all... and it is it's magnitudes faster than PHP 
(and easier to code unless you are opting for canned CMS...) ....of 
course, I'm sure there is a threshold, but I don't know what it would 
be...disclaimer: if you are doing Gaussian Blurs in the background on 
your web server.. all bets are off : point, obviously it depends on what 
you are doing... But, we've been use Rev CGI for 9 years and MC before 
that... no problems... its' wonderful...and only getting better!








From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 10 23:49:58 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:49:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: put into named field weirdness
Message-ID: <272957.93830.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Any idea why the following line of code errors out when run from
openStack, but works just fine later when called from a handler
responding to a button press:

put lNewFilesField into field "FilesField"

Is there some kind of field name initialization that hasn't finished by
the time openStack is called?


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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Mon Feb 11 01:56:48 2008
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:56:48 -0800
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <272957.93830.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <272957.93830.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AC48F34E-8AA0-4DD1-8548-DDA9A6D0DF29@elementarysoftware.com>

Perhaps the card hasn't yet opened.  You could try moving the handler  
to check.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
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On Feb 10, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Russell Martin wrote:

> Any idea why the following line of code errors out when run from
> openStack, but works just fine later when called from a handler
> responding to a button press:
>
> put lNewFilesField into field "FilesField"
>
> Is there some kind of field name initialization that hasn't finished  
> by
> the time openStack is called?


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Feb 11 06:11:43 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:11:43 +0100
Subject: trunc
In-Reply-To: <47AE5B7C.4080003@fourthworld.com>
References: <47AE5B7C.4080003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3087AD3C-5004-4D68-9434-0B941D1605A2@sosmartsoftware.com>

Or:

function logicalTrunc n
   if n is not a number then return "NAN"
   return n - (n mod 1)
end logicalTrunc

Le 10 f?vr. 08 ? 03:03, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> You can work around this using a function that apparently eludes the
> authors of most languages:
>
> function logicalTrunc n
>   if n is not a number then return "NAN"
>   get offset(".", n)
>   if it > 0 then
>      delete char it to -1 of n
>   end if
>   return n
> end logicalTrunc

Best regards from Paris,
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 11 09:52:08 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:52:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Minimize Custom shaped stacks
Message-ID: <15412766.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

i have posted a bug report on this:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5864

Please vote if this problem affect your applications.

Thanks in advance!

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 11 09:55:28 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:55:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Minimize Custom shaped stacks
Message-ID: <15412771.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

i have posted a bug report on this:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5864

Please vote if this problem affect your applications.

Thanks in advance!

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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 11 10:36:34 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:36:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <AC48F34E-8AA0-4DD1-8548-DDA9A6D0DF29@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <374977.17334.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It's really bizarre.

I created a new project. Put 2 fields on the card. Named them. And then
put code like the following:
  put "hello, world." into field "SomeNamedField"
  put "hello, again" into field "AnotherNamedField"

.. into an openStack handler in the stack script, and, no problems.

Went back to my more complex project and used various methods of
ensuring that both my preOpenStack and openStack handlers that are in
the stack script of the main stack are only getting called once and the
code in them only executes when they are called due to the main stack
opening. The two methods I used are:

-- the stiff in square brackets is just generic, example
-- my real code had real stuff there
if the short name of this stack is "[SHORT_NAME_OF_MAIN_STACK]" then
  [OTHER LINES OF CODE]
end if

-and - 

if the owner of the target is not me then pass openStack
[OTHER LINES OF CODE]

...still cannot put text into the field by referring to it by name from
the openStack handler (again, it works in other handlers later in the
execution of the program)

However, the following worked inside of my openStack handler:

answer "The short name of field ID 1024 is: " & the short name of field
ID 1024

...as did:

put someLinesofText into field ID 1024

...however, I have my openStack handler calling another handler called
openPrefsFile and using that same:

put someLinesofText into field ID 1024

... causes the:

"Type Chunk: no such object"
"Hint 1024"

...I don't know why openStack can put text in the field when referring
by ID, but then calling another handler from openStack has a problem.

In the end, the only thing I could get to work in my readPrefsFile
handler was like this:

put lNewFilesList into field "FilesField" of cd "card id 1002" of stack
"[SHORT_NAME_OF_STACK"

So, it's a mystery to me at this point. Sorry if that was too long or
too many details.

--- Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Perhaps the card hasn't yet opened.  You could try moving the handler
>  
> to check.
> 
> -Scott Morrow
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
> web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email   scott at elementarysoftware.com
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Russell Martin wrote:
> 
> > Any idea why the following line of code errors out when run from
> > openStack, but works just fine later when called from a handler
> > responding to a button press:
> >
> > put lNewFilesField into field "FilesField"
> >
> > Is there some kind of field name initialization that hasn't
> finished  
> > by
> > the time openStack is called?
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Mon Feb 11 10:39:56 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:39:56 -0800
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <AC48F34E-8AA0-4DD1-8548-DDA9A6D0DF29@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <272957.93830.qm@web54104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<AC48F34E-8AA0-4DD1-8548-DDA9A6D0DF29@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <957E6231-F3CE-4A4D-B889-A070DDA0B916@cruzio.com>

Could it be this? (Nabble search)

OpenStack and preOpenStack not taken into account
-------------- next part --------------
  
-------------- next part --------------


by Eric Chatonet Jan 31, 2008; 07:20am :
Hi all,

I remember that several times some complained about openStack or
preOpenstack handlers that were not sent when double-clicking a stack
icon or using drag and drop on Rev app icon.
I was confronted to the same problem today (Rev 2.8.1) and found that
if script debug mode was off when Rev launches, openStack and
preOpenstack were not sent.
If you don't want to run into this problem just set script debug mode
on before shutting down Rev.

--------------


Go here to vote if it is:
BZ #3843.

Mark


> On Feb 10, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Russell Martin wrote:
>
>> Any idea why the following line of code errors out when run from
>> openStack, but works just fine later when called from a handler
>> responding to a button press:
>>
>> put lNewFilesField into field "FilesField"
>>
>> Is there some kind of field name initialization that hasn't  
>> finished by
>> the time openStack is called?

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 11 11:59:39 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:59:39 -0600
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <374977.17334.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <374977.17334.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47B07EFB.1050902@hyperactivesw.com>

Russell Martin wrote:

> In the end, the only thing I could get to work in my readPrefsFile
> handler was like this:
> 
> put lNewFilesList into field "FilesField" of cd "card id 1002" of stack
> "[SHORT_NAME_OF_STACK"

If a long reference works but a short one doesn't, that usually 
indicates that "this stack" isn't what you think it is. Some other stack 
is the defaultstack and doesn't have the same fields.

One way to track this is to put a debugging line of code into your 
openstack handler right before the line that errors:

   put the name of this stack

When the handler runs, look at the message box to find out what the 
engine thinks "this stack" is.

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 11 12:07:31 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:07:31 -0800
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <47B07EFB.1050902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C3D5C0D3.4C01C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

you could also add a couple lines to the code

put the long id of this card into line 1 of trackIDs
put the long id of field "FilesField" into line 2 of trackIDs
put  trackIDs into msg
answer  trackIDs 



Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/11/08 8:59 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Russell Martin wrote:
> 
>> In the end, the only thing I could get to work in my readPrefsFile
>> handler was like this:
>> 
>> put lNewFilesList into field "FilesField" of cd "card id 1002" of stack
>> "[SHORT_NAME_OF_STACK"
> 
> If a long reference works but a short one doesn't, that usually
> indicates that "this stack" isn't what you think it is. Some other stack
> is the defaultstack and doesn't have the same fields.
> 
> One way to track this is to put a debugging line of code into your
> openstack handler right before the line that errors:
> 
>    put the name of this stack
> 
> When the handler runs, look at the message box to find out what the
> engine thinks "this stack" is.




From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Feb 11 12:36:03 2008
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:36:03 +0100
Subject: slightly [OT] : online DB protection question
Message-ID: <47B0877F.A1E929FE@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I'm working on a promotional online B-to-B web game for a client, using
Rev as cgi engine.
In a few words here's how it works : players have to register first and
then need
to find several clues in successive images. Finding those clues is
pretty easy and
we expect the number of winners to be pretty large; therefore a limited
set of
winners will finally be randomly choosen among those who found all the
clues.

Here's my question : in order to prevent ppl to register hundreds of
times automatically,
or simply to hinder hackers to send large amounts of automatic cgi
requests and to
clutter mySQL tables with useless registrations, I've been asked to
think about some
protection.

So far, the best idea I came with is to deny access to mySQL to more
than 10 requests
from the same IP within the last minute (several ppl in a same
corporation can play
simultaneously and thus will be viewed as the same ip by the server, and
of course none of
them should be denied access to the game).
This can be easily done and won't slow down the scripts at all. Of
course, both "10 requests"
and "last minute" can be adjusted...

I was wondering what you guys are thinking of this approach, and if
anyone has managed
to develop a more efficient strategy in a similar context...

Thanks in advance for your suggestions,
JB



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Feb 11 12:41:48 2008
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:41:48 +0100
Subject: [OT] Rev cgi vs php - another (practical) question
Message-ID: <47B088D8.ABF5041B@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I'm in the process of translating a few Rev cgi scripts into php.

In those Rev scripts, I'm using a very handy feature : some data
is structured as lines of items and store as such in mySQL cells
configured as "text" for further processing..
I was wondering how to implement something similar to lines &
items in php... Obviously I could parse the strings and build arrays
(using my own parser or the explode() function)...

But is there any better / simpler solution ?

thanks in advance,
JB



From bvg at mac.com  Mon Feb 11 13:20:18 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:20:18 +0100
Subject: slightly [OT] : online DB protection question
In-Reply-To: <47B0877F.A1E929FE@club-internet.fr>
References: <47B0877F.A1E929FE@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <749A216A-DA1D-4485-ABBB-89B55559F9D2@mac.com>

On 11 Feb 2008, at 18:36, jbv wrote:

> Here's my question : in order to prevent ppl to register hundreds of
> times automatically,
> or simply to hinder hackers to send large amounts of automatic cgi
> requests and to
> clutter mySQL tables with useless registrations, I've been asked to
> think about some
> protection.


Most Web forms validate the entry, eg. to be a valid e-mail address  
there has to be an @ in it, and it has to end in a toplevel domain.  
Many also store e-mails in addition to logins, and you're not really  
registered until you click an automatic generated link in the e-mail  
they send you.

The best Method known to me is the "captcha" <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha 
 >. Basically you show an image of distorted and crossed out text, and  
the user has to enter what he reads. But these images have to be  
generated randomly, and this isn't really simple to do with any http- 
server software. Also the Way you distord and add lines need to follow  
some rules, otherwise it's easily circumvented.

Another (similar) approach is this: You need many pictures of a few  
things, and store what thing the picture shows. Then you show 9 of  
them, asking the user to click on the dog (or whatever). Obviously  
nothing in the picture's url should point out what kind of thing it  
shows for this to work. Also there should be only one dog (or  
whatever) at a time. Fuzzy animals work best for this  (kittens, young  
dogs, rabbits, etc.), because they "blend" into the background, and  
currently computers can't distinguish cat's from dog's, so no hacker  
can spoil this (yet). Obviously simple and clearly coloured geometric  
shapes are not ideal. Note that this is less secure then the text  
approach above, but of course it's infinitely more cute. :)

These are the three methods I'd choose one from to use myself.

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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 11 14:11:17 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:11:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <47B07EFB.1050902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <912474.49575.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You're right, but, it still doesn't make sense.

In my preOpenStack, I have the following:

on preOpenStack
  if the owner of the target is not me then pass preOpenStack
  answer "preOpenStack called by: " & the short name of the owner of
the target
  [Other ommitted lines of code]
end preOpenStack

...then, in my openStack handler:

on openStack
    
  -- if the short name of this stack is "CSV2HTML" then
  if the owner of the target is not me then pass openStack
  answer "openStack called by: " & the short name of the owner of the
target
    
  [Other code ommitted]  
  
  openPrefsFile gPrefsStackName
  answer "readPrefsStack being called by: " & the name of this stack
  readPrefsStack gPrefsStackName
end openStack

... then in my readPrefsStack handler:

on readPrefsStack _prefsStackName
    [Other code ommitted]

    answer "the name of this stack is: " & the name of this stack
   
end readPrefsStack

... so,

preOpenStack runs and I get the following dialog:

"preOpenStack called by: [NAME_OF_MY_MAIN_STACK]"

openStack runs and I get:

"openStack called by: [NAME_OF_MY_MAIN_STACK]"
"readPrefsStack being called by: stack
"[NAME_OF_MY_PREFERENCES_STACK]""

readPrefsFile runs and I get:

"the name of this stack is: stac "[NAME_OF_MY_PREFERENCES_STACK]""

...now, within my openStack handler, just before I spit out the answer
dialog and then call my readPrefsFile handler, I do, inside of my
openPrefsFile handler, open a separate stack stored on disk, but once
that handler completes and execution returns to the line below it, how
does the recently opened preferences stack then become the stack that
is calling readPrefsFile?!? That doesn't make any sense.


--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Russell Martin wrote:
> 
> > In the end, the only thing I could get to work in my readPrefsFile
> > handler was like this:
> > 
> > put lNewFilesList into field "FilesField" of cd "card id 1002" of
> stack
> > "[SHORT_NAME_OF_STACK"
> 
> If a long reference works but a short one doesn't, that usually 
> indicates that "this stack" isn't what you think it is. Some other
> stack 
> is the defaultstack and doesn't have the same fields.
> 
> One way to track this is to put a debugging line of code into your 
> openstack handler right before the line that errors:
> 
>    put the name of this stack
> 
> When the handler runs, look at the message box to find out what the 
> engine thinks "this stack" is.
> 
> -- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 11 15:31:36 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:31:36 -0600
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <912474.49575.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <912474.49575.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47B0B0A8.4030208@hyperactivesw.com>

Russell Martin wrote:

> ...now, within my openStack handler, just before I spit out the answer
> dialog and then call my readPrefsFile handler, I do, inside of my
> openPrefsFile handler, open a separate stack stored on disk, but once
> that handler completes and execution returns to the line below it, how
> does the recently opened preferences stack then become the stack that
> is calling readPrefsFile?!? That doesn't make any sense.

The stack that is running the script is not necessarily "this stack". 
"This stack" is effectively the same thing as the defaultstack, which is 
reset when you open a stack. So, in your scripts, you open the main 
stack, which is also the defaultstack. The main stack opens the prefs 
stack, which in turn becomes the defaultstack. The prefs stack will 
remain the defaultstack until you either go back to the main stack, or 
set the defaultstack to the main stack specifically in a handler.

Use "set the defaultstack to 'my_main_stack'" in your script before 
trying to work with any fields in the main stack.

I have several projects that use an invisible prefs stack that stays 
open all the time, and I have to do the same thing with those. I need to 
reset the defaultstack after opening my invisible prefs so that scripts 
will be directed to the right stack. Otherwise all commands would be 
directed to the last-opened stack (my prefs stack) which isn't what I want.

-- 
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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 11 16:29:47 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:29:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <47B0B0A8.4030208@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <540989.22582.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow. Thank you.

That was completely counterintuitive, but, you are 100% correct.

Now, after opening my prefs stack, I have a line:

set the defaultStack to [NAME_OF_MY_MAIN_STACK]

..and now, inside of my readPrefsFile handler, I'm back to:

put lNewFilesList into field "FilesField"

..and the "Chunk: No such object" error is gone.

I don't think I ever would have figured that out. I mean, I thought
'this stack' would always refer to the stack whose script is running.

So, is there another way to refer to the stack that the currently
executing script belongs too? One that remains constant? Maybe
something like 'target owner'?

--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Russell Martin wrote:
> 
> > ...now, within my openStack handler, just before I spit out the
> answer
> > dialog and then call my readPrefsFile handler, I do, inside of my
> > openPrefsFile handler, open a separate stack stored on disk, but
> once
> > that handler completes and execution returns to the line below it,
> how
> > does the recently opened preferences stack then become the stack
> that
> > is calling readPrefsFile?!? That doesn't make any sense.
> 
> The stack that is running the script is not necessarily "this stack".
> 
> "This stack" is effectively the same thing as the defaultstack, which
> is 
> reset when you open a stack. So, in your scripts, you open the main 
> stack, which is also the defaultstack. The main stack opens the prefs
> 
> stack, which in turn becomes the defaultstack. The prefs stack will 
> remain the defaultstack until you either go back to the main stack,
> or 
> set the defaultstack to the main stack specifically in a handler.
> 
> Use "set the defaultstack to 'my_main_stack'" in your script before 
> trying to work with any fields in the main stack.
> 
> I have several projects that use an invisible prefs stack that stays 
> open all the time, and I have to do the same thing with those. I need
> to 
> reset the defaultstack after opening my invisible prefs so that
> scripts 
> will be directed to the right stack. Otherwise all commands would be 
> directed to the last-opened stack (my prefs stack) which isn't what I
> want.
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 11 17:31:43 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:31:43 -0600
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <540989.22582.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <540989.22582.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47B0CCCF.6000108@hyperactivesw.com>

Russell Martin wrote:
> Wow. Thank you.
> 
> That was completely counterintuitive, but, you are 100% correct.

It might be more intuitive if you think of "this" as refering to the 
stack that currently has the engine's attention. The dictionary says 
that any object reference that has no stack reference in it is assumed 
to be in the defaultstack. It gives the example of "this card", which 
the engine interprets as "this card of the defaultstack". (See 
"defaultstack" in the dictionary.)
...
> So, is there another way to refer to the stack that the currently
> executing script belongs too? One that remains constant? Maybe
> something like 'target owner'?

Not specifically. There is the keyword "me" which refers to the object 
running the script. If your script is in the stack script, then "me" is 
the stack. But if the script is in another object, then it is that 
object which is "me", not the stack itself. Since your handlers seem to 
be in a stack script you could get away with using "me" as long as you 
remain aware that moving the handlers will break them.

If the script is in a card you can sometimes use "the owner of me", 
which will often be the stack. But it isn't 100% reliable; for example, 
if the card is part of a background group, then its owner is the group.

Depending on what you're doing, there are lots of workarounds. It is 
common to store the name of the stack at the beginning of a handler so 
that you can reference it later on as needed. If you do that a lot, you 
can write a short function that will always return the stack name. Or if 
you need something else, let us know and someone will no doubt jump in. 
There are a lot of ways to skin that cat.

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From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Feb 11 23:59:58 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:59:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
Message-ID: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Is there a way to set the number of lines that will display for an Option
menu button?
By default there are 5 lines displayed. Can this be increased to display,
say 15 lines, or whatever number I'd set it to?
Scrolling thru a list of many items is inefficient to the user.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 00:23:12 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:23:12 +1000
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there a way to set the number of lines that will display for an Option
> menu button?
> By default there are 5 lines displayed. Can this be increased to display,
> say 15 lines, or whatever number I'd set it to?
> Scrolling thru a list of many items is inefficient to the user.

In the Inspector -> basic properties, there is a field for entering
the number of lines.
You can also set it by script using the menuLines property e.g. set
the menuLines of btn "MyLongMenu" to 15

Cheers,
Sarah


From andres at bakno.com  Tue Feb 12 00:35:49 2008
From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:35:49 -0500
Subject: Accessing Addressbook
Message-ID: <AA697846-60ED-4A72-A01E-F0FE93EECCCB@bakno.com>

Hello

Is there a common way to access the addressbook (iCal and Entourage)  
in OSX?

What about Windows?

Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 12 00:56:08 2008
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:56:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Accessing Addressbook
In-Reply-To: <AA697846-60ED-4A72-A01E-F0FE93EECCCB@bakno.com>
Message-ID: <459184.38979.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- Andres Martinez <andres at bakno.com> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Is there a common way to access the addressbook
> (iCal and Entourage)  
> in OSX?
> 
> What about Windows?
> 
> Regards,
> Andres Martinez
>

Hi Andres,

Your new best friends are AppleScript on OSX and
VBScript on Windows. Take a look at Ken Ray's tips
here:
<http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm>

Hope this gets you started,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From john at debraneys.com  Tue Feb 12 01:18:38 2008
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:18:38 +1100
Subject: Anyone integrating Rev with Document/Content Management Software?
In-Reply-To: <459184.38979.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <AA697846-60ED-4A72-A01E-F0FE93EECCCB@bakno.com>
	<459184.38979.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c86d3f$1e584e10$5b08ea30$@com>

Hi All,

I am exploring the integration of a new front end I am building in Rev to
any existing Open Source Document Management Systems out there. I am using
PostgreSQL to store information relating to the user experience (such as;
access control, authentication and services to be provided to the GUI). I
want users to be able to drag and drop any files into the Rev window (after
they log in) and have those files copied to a specific place in a document
management system (content management system?).

Any advice or thoughts would be appreciated.

Regards and Happy Chinese New Year...

John Tregea




From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Tue Feb 12 02:20:39 2008
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:20:39 EST
Subject: logicalTrunc
Message-ID: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>

Eric wrote:
> function logicalTrunc n
>    if n is  not a number then return "NAN"
>    return n - (n mod 1)
>  end logicalTrunc

Sorry, Eric... MOD suffers from the same same floating point issue  as TRUNC:

get (36 - 34.1) *  100   --> 190, good
        put it - (it MOD 1)    --> 189, bad
 
 
Avoiding them obtains the expected answer:
 
        get logicalTrunc ((36 - 34.1) *  100) --> 190, good
 
        function logicalTrunc  n
if n is not a number then  return "NAN"
set the  itemDel to "."
return item 1  of n
end logicalTrunc # by Kay C  Lan
 
        or

function  logicalTrunc n
if n is  not a number then return  "NAN"
get offset(".",  n)
          if it > 0  then
delete char it to -1 of n
end if
return  n
end logicalTrunc # by  Richard Gaskin
 
 
Bottom line:
 
        Use TRUNC and MOD with  single numbers, not with calculations
 
/H
 








   


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb 12 03:17:57 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:17:57 +0100
Subject: logicalTrunc
In-Reply-To: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>
References: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Hugh,

You are right :-)
Not correct with calculations...

Le 12 f?vr. 08 ? 08:20, FlexibleLearning at aol.com a ?crit :

> Eric wrote:
>> function logicalTrunc n
>>    if n is  not a number then return "NAN"
>>    return n - (n mod 1)
>>  end logicalTrunc
>
> Sorry, Eric... MOD suffers from the same same floating point issue   
> as TRUNC:
>
> get (36 - 34.1) *  100   --> 190, good
>         put it - (it MOD 1)    --> 189, bad
>
>
> Avoiding them obtains the expected answer:
>
>         get logicalTrunc ((36 - 34.1) *  100) --> 190, good
>
>         function logicalTrunc  n
> if n is not a number then  return "NAN"
> set the  itemDel to "."
> return item 1  of n
> end logicalTrunc # by Kay C  Lan
>
>         or
>
> function  logicalTrunc n
> if n is  not a number then return  "NAN"
> get offset(".",  n)
>           if it > 0  then
> delete char it to -1 of n
> end if
> return  n
> end logicalTrunc # by  Richard Gaskin
>
>
> Bottom line:
>
>         Use TRUNC and MOD with  single numbers, not with calculations
>
> /H



Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Feb 12 04:07:52 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:07:52 +0200
Subject: taskbar applications
In-Reply-To: <602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>
	<602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47B161E8.5070200@ekoinf.net>

i would appreciate a few hints on how do we create taskbar applications 
in Revolution on Windows. I.e. something like Revolution player, skype 
or anything like that where user sees an icon of a running application 
sitting in the taskbar. If he clicks that icon with mouse - context menu 
appears... How do we set application to be loaded on startup 
automatically ? I would like to add this option to preferences of my 
app, will it have to mess with windows xp registry or are there other 
ways? Any hints, online tutorials also on how do we do this on Mac, Linux ?

Many thanks in advance!
Viktoras


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb 12 04:39:54 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:39:54 +0100
Subject: taskbar applications
In-Reply-To: <47B161E8.5070200@ekoinf.net>
References: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>
	<602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<47B161E8.5070200@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <F440C20A-C4B4-4A17-AA71-2B852C048CE1@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Viktoras,

Le 12 f?vr. 08 ? 10:07, viktoras didziulis a ?crit :

> i would appreciate a few hints on how do we create taskbar  
> applications in Revolution on Windows. I.e. something like  
> Revolution player, skype or anything like that where user sees an  
> icon of a running application sitting in the taskbar. If he clicks  
> that icon with mouse - context menu appears...

See Currently Unsupported Features in 'Whats_New.txt' in Rev app folder:
the icon, the iconMenu, iconMenuOpening and iconMenuPick
Another alternative is STSTray from Ken Ray (http:// 
www.sonsothunder.com/products/ststray/ststray.htm)

> How do we set application to be loaded on startup automatically ?

Put a shortcut/alias into startup folder.

> I would like to add this option to preferences of my app, will it  
> have to mess with windows xp registry or are there other ways? Any  
> hints, online tutorials also on how do we do this on Mac, Linux ?
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> Viktoras

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 05:01:15 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:01:15 +0800
Subject: trunc
In-Reply-To: <3087AD3C-5004-4D68-9434-0B941D1605A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <47AE5B7C.4080003@fourthworld.com>
	<3087AD3C-5004-4D68-9434-0B941D1605A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802120201m4139d483ne5b5c1e76e8f574c@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 11, 2008 7:11 PM, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
wrote:

>
> function logicalTrunc n
>   if n is not a number then return "NAN"
>   return n - (n mod 1)
> end logicalTrunc
>

I don't fully understand Richard's explanation of why machines fail to
represent numbers but I extrapolated that to mean that if trunc doesn't work
then mod would suffer the same failure:

I therefore rewrote Thomas function to include your n  - (n mod 1)
alternative, it looks like this:

put 8.3 into Zahl
put Zahl - (Zahl - (Zahl mod 1)) into Dezimal
put Dezimal*60 & comma & (Dezimal*60 - ((Dezimal *60) mod 1))

Placing the above in the Msg Box and using Thomas' same three examples of
8.1, 8.2 and 8.3, the answers are exactly the same as for trunc, 6,5  12,11
& 18,18.

So I think if Thomas wants to get the answer he's expecting he should avoid
both trunc and mod.

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 05:15:01 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:15:01 +0800
Subject: logicalTrunc
In-Reply-To: <602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>
	<602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802120215o5a004866rc093b88685ed5b70@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 12, 2008 4:17 PM, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
wrote:

>
> You are right :-)
> Not correct with calculations...
>

Sorry guys, this came up in a different thread so I didn't see that Hugh had
already picked up the MOD problem. I didn't mean to point it out twice ;-)

It would be nice if the Rev Lords rewrote trunc and mod to use offset or
intemDelimiter so that it actually worked 'out of the box'.

Keep up the Revolution


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Feb 12 11:38:27 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:38:27 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Comms using AppleEvents
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802120215o5a004866rc093b88685ed5b70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cf8.2808f90d.34e2a2c7@aol.com>
	<602E1B9E-0A8F-4297-A2A2-0FA1DC85CB07@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f73a98160802120215o5a004866rc093b88685ed5b70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E2D9A49-A5CE-4D77-A62A-CEE2DD2A81BC@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I can't seem to get the "Send to Application" command to work. I have  
built a Standalone Application that has an "AppleEvent" handler in  
the stack script (this works since it receives the open and quit  
AppleEvents ok - I display the class and ID in the handler).

I then have a stack in RunRev with the following script on one of the  
buttons:

on mouseUp
   send "HELLO" to application "AETest1" with "AaAaBbBb"
end mouseUp

I expected the AaAa BbBb class and ID to show up in the target  
application, however knowing happens!

Are there any examples on how to do this?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 12 12:06:35 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:06:35 -0800
Subject: logicalTrunc
Message-ID: <47B1D21B.3090407@fourthworld.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> It would be nice if the Rev Lords rewrote trunc and mod to use offset or
> intemDelimiter so that it actually worked 'out of the box'.

In my own admittedly feeble mind, mod seems like a true math operator 
while trun is in essence a string operator (even though it works on 
numeric strings).

So if mod stayed as it is, I'd be okay with that.

But for trunc to conform to human logic, I agree it may be best to 
recognize it as the string operator it is, and revise it accordingly.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Feb 12 12:25:11 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:25:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15436798.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Sarah,
I'm sorry, but I don't see a "number of lines" property on the Basic
Properties for the Option button.
Actually, I don't see the property anywhere for this type of button.
I see the property "Access with mouse button". This is the only numeric
property for Basic Properties.
But I have found the "menuLines" property in the Rev Doc. I assume I will
have to put a "set menuLines of..." into the "on openCard" script.

Thanx Sarah.
Mark Stuart



Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way to set the number of lines that will display for an Option
>> menu button?
>> By default there are 5 lines displayed. Can this be increased to display,
>> say 15 lines, or whatever number I'd set it to?
>> Scrolling thru a list of many items is inefficient to the user.
> 
> In the Inspector -> basic properties, there is a field for entering
> the number of lines.
> You can also set it by script using the menuLines property e.g. set
> the menuLines of btn "MyLongMenu" to 15
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 12 12:32:19 2008
From: jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr (delorme)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:32:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Make a cheap web server with simple no-CGI read write on port 80
Message-ID: <15434481.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi from France!

The idea of this cheap html server came from "chat server" demo stack.
I tried, it works quite fine.
Next is a sum-up:

On Openstack
.  accept connections on port 80 with message GotAConnection

on GotAConnection aSocket
.  read from socket aSocket for 1 line
.  analyze received line (GET or POST)
.  read from socket aSocket with message GotNextLines

on GotNextLines aSocket , ReceivedLines
.  Analyze ReceivedLines
.  Do any processing you want with the user request
.  Make TheHtmlAnswer from pre-made file + replaced text (wanted GET file ou
POST answer)
.  write TheHtmlAnswer to socket 

Any distant web browser then gets the requested .html files (as forms with
submit buttons), or POST anwsers after button clicks (submits) in previous
sent forms.

Is'nt life easy?
The only limit is that only html text is replied (no image) because no
Apache server is used.
Also have to record socket connections context in a gSocketConnectionsTable
because many connections are available (which .htm file must be sent back
when GotNextLines?).
Thank you for your feedback and own return on experience about making a web
server from Revolution.

Jean-Marc
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Feb 12 12:49:05 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:49:05 -0200
Subject: Make a cheap web server with simple no-CGI read write on port 80
In-Reply-To: <15434481.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15434481.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802120949s7cc09824i500e7336cb1817c4@mail.gmail.com>

Jean,

Been there too. Check http://andregarzia.com/RevOnRockets for a 100%
transcript web server :-D

Cheers
andre

On 2/12/08, delorme <jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Hi from France!
>
> The idea of this cheap html server came from "chat server" demo stack.
> I tried, it works quite fine.
> Next is a sum-up:
>
> On Openstack
> .  accept connections on port 80 with message GotAConnection
>
> on GotAConnection aSocket
> .  read from socket aSocket for 1 line
> .  analyze received line (GET or POST)
> .  read from socket aSocket with message GotNextLines
>
> on GotNextLines aSocket , ReceivedLines
> .  Analyze ReceivedLines
> .  Do any processing you want with the user request
> .  Make TheHtmlAnswer from pre-made file + replaced text (wanted GET file ou
> POST answer)
> .  write TheHtmlAnswer to socket
>
> Any distant web browser then gets the requested .html files (as forms with
> submit buttons), or POST anwsers after button clicks (submits) in previous
> sent forms.
>
> Is'nt life easy?
> The only limit is that only html text is replied (no image) because no
> Apache server is used.
> Also have to record socket connections context in a gSocketConnectionsTable
> because many connections are available (which .htm file must be sent back
> when GotNextLines?).
> Thank you for your feedback and own return on experience about making a web
> server from Revolution.
>
> Jean-Marc
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 12 12:56:41 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:56:41 -0800
Subject: Make a cheap web server with simple no-CGI read write on port 80
Message-ID: <47B1DDD9.40804@fourthworld.com>

Jean-Marc wrote:
> The idea of this cheap html server came from "chat server" demo stack.
> I tried, it works quite fine.

Good work!

Way back in the olden days Scott Raney once wrote what he called 
mcHTTPd, an HTTP server built with the Rev engine (back then it was 
called "MetaCard", hence the "mc" part).

One thing he noted about that which may be another boost for you:  he 
insisted the engine is impervious to buffer overflows, so a whole range 
of potential security risks with many server software solutions is (at 
least according to him) not something we need to worry about.

Now that you've had a taste of the ease and power of building your own 
server, if you haven't seen Andre Garzia's 'Rev On Rockets' you're in 
for a treat:
<http://www.andregarzia.com/RevOnRockets/index.html>


And FWIW, I tried to get the URL to Raney's old mchttpd, but it seems 
his public FTP is offline.  I have a copy of the original zip archive, 
and have posted it for you here:
<http://revjournal.com/metacard/mchttpd.zip>

There might be some things he does in there worth lifting for your 
server project. :)

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Feb 12 15:34:30 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:34:30 -0800
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com><f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>

Mark-

Depending on how you have your preferences set, the Property Inspector will 
display this as "menuLines" or as "Display x items". It's right under the 
list of Menu Items.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From katir at hindu.org  Tue Feb 12 16:23:20 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:23:20 -1000
Subject: slightly [OT] : online DB protection question
In-Reply-To: <749A216A-DA1D-4485-ABBB-89B55559F9D2@mac.com>
References: <47B0877F.A1E929FE@club-internet.fr>
	<749A216A-DA1D-4485-ABBB-89B55559F9D2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47B20E48.9090008@hindu.org>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> On 11 Feb 2008, at 18:36, jbv wrote:
>
>> Here's my question : in order to prevent ppl to register hundreds of
>> times automatically,
>> or simply to hinder hackers to send large amounts of automatic cgi
>> requests and to
>> clutter mySQL tables with useless registrations, I've been asked to
>> think about some
>> protection.
>
> The best Method known to me is the "captcha" 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha>. Basically you show an image of 
> distorted and crossed out text, and the user has to enter what he 
> reads. But these images have to be generated randomly, and this isn't 
> really simple to do with any http-server software. Also the Way you 
> distord and add lines need to follow some rules, otherwise it's easily 
> circumvented.

Actually a "soft" way of generating random images (relatively random) is 
to simply sit in photoshop and
for as long as you find it interesting, create images of words and name 
them

1.gif
2.gif
3.gif
#
24.gif

and then the CGI that dynamically generates your page
has only to do a simple

put (random(24))&".gif" into tImage

and load this string into your form template and you are done.

You obviously need to keep note of the words you have created and use 
that list in your validation routine.

I sent the full "recipe" to jbv off list (for security reasons, since 
these archives are searchable on the web...)

Obviously hackable over time if some has a real strong intent to get 
thru your forms, but strong enough to stop the bots...




>
>




From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Feb 12 17:59:58 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:59:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com> <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Mark,
What Preference page is it on and what is the name of the Preference
property?
I don't see this property on the Inspector for the Option button - it's just
not there.
I do see the following properties: text (a list of the options to display)
and menuName. These are radio buttons.

Am I missing something? And if this is missing, what else am I missing?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart



Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
> Mark-
> 
> Depending on how you have your preferences set, the Property Inspector
> will 
> display this as "menuLines" or as "Display x items". It's right under the 
> list of Menu Items.
> 
> -- 
>  Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net 
> 
> 
> 
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Tue Feb 12 18:40:23 2008
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:40:23 -0800
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org> <15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47B22E67.6060800@comcast.net>

I checked my copy of Rev 2.8.1 (on Mac 10.5.1) and the property 
inspector does not show this. I fired up Rev 2.6.1 and there it does 
show the option to select the number of displayed menu items.

FWIW,

Marty Knapp
> Hi Mark,
> What Preference page is it on and what is the name of the Preference
> property?
> I don't see this property on the Inspector for the Option button - it's just
> not there.
> I do see the following properties: text (a list of the options to display)
> and menuName. These are radio buttons.
>
> Am I missing something? And if this is missing, what else am I missing?
>
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
>
>
>
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>   
>> Mark-
>>
>> Depending on how you have your preferences set, the Property Inspector
>> will 
>> display this as "menuLines" or as "Display x items". It's right under the 
>> list of Menu Items.
>>
>> -- 
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net 
>>
>>
>>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 18:43:10 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:43:10 +1000
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com> <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802121543g7d9ec979gda534b127b6d9e31@mail.gmail.com>

> What Preference page is it on and what is the name of the Preference
> property?
> I don't see this property on the Inspector for the Option button - it's just
> not there.
> I do see the following properties: text (a list of the options to display)
> and menuName. These are radio buttons.

Have a look at this Mark: <http://www.troz.net/Rev/OptionButtonInspector.png>

I have put an orange box around the relevant entry.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 18:53:41 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:53:41 +1000
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <47B22E67.6060800@comcast.net>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com> <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15445207.post@talk.nabble.com> <47B22E67.6060800@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802121553n85b006bsd91022334735ee8d@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 13, 2008 9:40 AM, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
> I checked my copy of Rev 2.8.1 (on Mac 10.5.1) and the property
> inspector does not show this. I fired up Rev 2.6.1 and there it does
> show the option to select the number of displayed menu items.

Sorry Mark, I was using 2.9.0. It looks like you will have to just set
it using script for now.

Sarah


From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue Feb 12 19:18:33 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:18:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802121543g7d9ec979gda534b127b6d9e31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com> <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802121543g7d9ec979gda534b127b6d9e31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15446492.post@talk.nabble.com>


Awesome, thanx for the reply and image, Sarah.
I/we will be waiting for this next version (2.9.0) for this property.
Currently, I'm using 2.8.1 on WINXP.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart


Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
>> What Preference page is it on and what is the name of the Preference
>> property?
>> I don't see this property on the Inspector for the Option button - it's
>> just
>> not there.
>> I do see the following properties: text (a list of the options to
>> display)
>> and menuName. These are radio buttons.
> 
> Have a look at this Mark:
> <http://www.troz.net/Rev/OptionButtonInspector.png>
> 
> I have put an orange box around the relevant entry.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Tue Feb 12 20:42:09 2008
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:42:09 -0600
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <15446492.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com> <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802121543g7d9ec979gda534b127b6d9e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<15446492.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <71568924-5234-4746-84A8-850E773FD477@mac.com>

Hi Mark,

It is possible to set the option menu choices via a script -- rather  
than entering them via the properties menu. That way you can have any  
number of choices that you need and then change the options choices  
so they are context sensitive. I used this method in a correct-the- 
sentence program I made for a local teacher (known frequently as  
Daily Oral Language in U.S. elementary schools). The correction  
button displays different choices based on the part of the sentence  
the students click on.

If you have an option button called demo, then place this script in  
another button.

put "one" & return & "two" & return &  "three" into button "demo"

The option choices will then be one, two and three in that order.

You can also place the choices in a variable and then put the  
variable into the option button like this:

local tOptionsTemp
put "two" & return & "three" into tOptionsTemp
put tOptionsTemp into button "demo"

Now the button choices will read two, three

Sorry if I missed the point of your original post.

take care,
randy hengst
-----------------

On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:18 PM, mfstuart wrote:

>
> Awesome, thanx for the reply and image, Sarah.
> I/we will be waiting for this next version (2.9.0) for this property.
> Currently, I'm using 2.8.1 on WINXP.
>
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart



From rmicout at online.fr  Tue Feb 12 20:45:27 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:45:27 +0100
Subject: Shakobox
Message-ID: <5358F4BB-2ED0-4C1A-9982-C73A172423D2@online.fr>

Hello every body,
On MacOS X, when I use Shakobox, only 256 (sometimes less) first  
sounds (or notes) can be heard ! Why ?
Ren? from Paris

From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Feb 13 02:59:56 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:59:56 +0100
Subject: About proxies and certificates
In-Reply-To: <20080212180005.9F774488E7E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080212180005.9F774488E7E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F4DDD047-AF54-4DF0-97DE-725605A0BABC@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

running into some puzzles here, so I have two question.

About proxies: We have clients that run proxies that require  
authentification via username and password. How would I build the URL  
to connect to those?

About certificates: How do I make the SSL library accept unsigned  
c(custom build) certificates?

Any pointers highly appreciated.

All the best,

Malte
  
  


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 13 10:53:48 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:53:48 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
Message-ID: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to  
communicate with each other. I've implemented a simple message  
passing mechanism on Macintosh using AppleEvents. This seems to work  
quite well. I now need something similar for Windows. I don't mind  
writing an External Command Handler in C/C++ to do this, and AFAIK I  
can do this using Win32 API Calls. However, on the Mac I have a  
handler for the "appleEvent" message, this gets called asynchronously  
whenever the other application send an AppleEvent. Can I achieve the  
same or similar under Windows? e.g. AppA gets a Message sent to it  
when there is a message ready to be read or some such? The only other  
way I can think of achieving this would be for the main application  
to periodically execute a "poll" handler which calls the External  
Command and read the message(s) from a queue?

Any ideas or suggestions gratefully appreciated.

All the Best
Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 13 10:54:40 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:54:40 +0000
Subject: put into named field weirdness
In-Reply-To: <912474.49575.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <912474.49575.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C92B53B-5B20-427E-8DFE-3F22AD4CCF20@looktowindward.com>


On 11 Feb 2008, at 19:11, Russell Martin wrote:
> I do, inside of my
> openPrefsFile handler, open a separate stack stored on disk, but once
> that handler completes and execution returns to the line below it, how
> does the recently opened preferences stack then become the stack that
> is calling readPrefsFile?!? That doesn't make any sense.
>

 From a Stack Script using "this" does not always return the stack  
the Script is running in. In order to guarantee that you get the  
right stack use "me", or have a private function in the Stack Script  
that does this:

function GetStackName
return the name of this stack
end GetStackName

If "GetStackName" is called from the Same Stack Script it will return  
the correct name, since it was called by the same Script/Stack.

All the Best
Dave




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 13 11:03:43 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:03:43 +0100
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
References: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <423FDD5C-7DCC-4F8B-A4BF-3C6839391C8E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

Why not use TCP that is cross-platform?

Le 13 f?vr. 08 ? 16:53, Dave a ?crit :

> Hi All,
>
> I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to  
> communicate with each other. I've implemented a simple message  
> passing mechanism on Macintosh using AppleEvents. This seems to  
> work quite well. I now need something similar for Windows. I don't  
> mind writing an External Command Handler in C/C++ to do this, and  
> AFAIK I can do this using Win32 API Calls. However, on the Mac I  
> have a handler for the "appleEvent" message, this gets called  
> asynchronously whenever the other application send an AppleEvent.  
> Can I achieve the same or similar under Windows? e.g. AppA gets a  
> Message sent to it when there is a message ready to be read or some  
> such? The only other way I can think of achieving this would be for  
> the main application to periodically execute a "poll" handler which  
> calls the External Command and read the message(s) from a queue?
>
> Any ideas or suggestions gratefully appreciated.
>
> All the Best
> Dave

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Wed Feb 13 11:19:24 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:19:24 +0100
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
References: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <EFA72A84-2A61-475F-AA0B-911804D4AB55@free.fr>

Hi Dave,

> Hi All,
>
> I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to  
> communicate with each other.
> Any ideas or suggestions gratefully appreciated.


Well, I've done almost this years ago...

open socket, read/write from socket...
or
open process, read/write from process...

All this is in the Doc.

HTH,
Regards,
Thierry



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Feb 13 11:25:14 2008
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:25:14 +0100
Subject: Threshold filters (Rev Newsletter #48)
Message-ID: <47B319EA.7000905@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

There is only sparse documentation about "imagedata" in Revolution. 
Without the more detailed information and sample stacks from the 
websites of other experienced members of this list I would probably 
never have got a start to learn and apply some of the possibilities of 
imagedata handling.

Therefore it is praiseworthy that he Revolution team now tries to 
provide us with more useful information in Newsletter #48 and introduce 
us to the "use of thresholding for image manipulation". They also apply 
modern "state-of-the-art" pedagogy, in so far as they bundle their 
example with kind of a joke for better learning. If such an approach 
isn't over-used it might indeed work.

My "Imagedata Toolkit" stack (last public version of May 2007

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkitPreview3.zip>)

among the more than 200 filters for manipulating imagedata already 
contains 7 filters using the threshold principle (see menu-button 
"thresholds").

I created another button in this stack adapting the script information 
in the newsletter to my environment to compare the new threshold filter.

First thing I noticed was that only 25% of an image is affected. This 
holds for all of the three script examples displayed in the newsletter. 
One important factor is missing in all these examples, which I leave to 
you to find out for yourselves (another instance of modern pedagogy).

I then downloaded the sample stack to have a look whether its scripts 
worked better, but for some reason I was unable to un-zip the stack on 
Windows, even after downloading it again. I transferred the archive to 
my Macbook and finally succeeded in extracting the stack using Stuffit 
Expander. Looking at the relevant script revealed that here the author 
of the stack had indeed added the missing factor.

Re-tranferring the unzipped stack back to Windows did not work first, 
until I found out  that Windows did not like the question-mark  as part 
of the stack name.
I removed the question-mark, and then  was able to get the stack onto my 
Windows computer, however, it was impossible to open it in Revolution.
Therefore I only extracted the necessary script from the stack on my 
Macbook and put it into my Imagedata-Toolkit stack on my Windows machine.

Now I was able to compare the threshold script with my own 7 threshold 
buttons. The solution found by the author - even disregarding the 
entertainment factor - was fine and its effects different, but somewhat 
similar to  those of my own buttons that use two or more thresholds.

However, I found the script to run much slower due to the many 
computations inside the nested repeat loops.-

======================
In the following, I use a step-by-step approach to show how the speed of 
the script execution could be improved. To do this I show only one of 
the thirteen script lines inside the loop that - concerning the 
definition of the imagedata chars - is identical to the other 12 lines.

"repeat with y = 1 to pHeight
    repeat with x = 1 to pWidth      
      put charToNum(char ((y - 1) * pWidth * 4) + ((x - 1)  * 4) + 2 of 
pImage) into tRed"

The script as it is takes 3500 milliseconds to execute for an image 
640x480 on my Windows computer.

Step 1: Remove the two "- 1" inside the loop and change the x and y 
start and end values accordingly;

new script:

"repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
    repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1     
      put charToNum(char (y * pWidth * 4) + (x  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into 
tRed"

Speed gain here is about 300 milliseconds (now 3219).

Step 2: Compute "pwidth * 4" outside the loops;

new script:

"put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
    repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1     
      put charToNum(char (y * tpWidth) + (x  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into tRed"

Speed gain another 300 ms (now 2932).

Step 3: Combine y with tpwidth;

new script:

"put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
 put y * tpwidth into typwidth
    repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1     
      put charToNum(char typWidth + (x  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into tRed"

Step 4: put "x*4" into tx;

new script:

"put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
 put y * tpwidth into typwidth
    repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1
      put x * 4 into tx    
      put charToNum(char typWidth + tx + 2 of pImage) into tRed"

Overall speed gain from beginning: 1 second (now 2585)

Step 5: Combine typwidth and tx;

new script:

"put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
 put y * tpwidth into typwidth
    repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1
      put x * 4 into tx  
      put typwidth + tx into tyx  
      put charToNum(char tyx + 2 of pImage) into tRed"

Speed gain: another 100 ms (now 2461)

Step 6: Remove the irrelevant line accessing the alpha value of the 
imagedata char, i.e.

remove line (this is the original form)
"put charToNum(char ((y - 1) * pWidth * 4) + ((x - 1)  * 4) + 1 of 
pImage) into tAlpha"

Speed gain: again 100 ms (now 2340).--

Overall speed gain is now 33% compared to the speed of the original script.-

==========================
    
As an additional script example - which is not among the 7 scripts in my 
Imagedata stack - I  tried to find a very simply structured script using 
"for each" (which is by the way - in this case - slower than a nested 
repeat loop), applying only one threshold, and using only the red value 
to create a black-and-white image:

"on mouseup
  answer "Select threshold to create the black-and-white image:" with  
"80"  or "100"  or "128" or "150" or "180"
  wait 3 milliseconds
  put it into threshold
  set the cursor to watch
  put the imageData of image x into iData
 
  put 0 into counter
  repeat for each char C in idata
    add 1 to counter
    if counter mod 4 = 2 then # the red pixel
      put chartonum(C)  into tC
      if tC > threshold then
        put 255 into tC
      else
        put 0 into tC
      end if
    end if
    put numtochar(tC) into char counter of idata
  end repeat
 
  set the imageData of image x  to iData
end mouseUp"

(Pay attention to possible line breaks of this script  in this post.)

I hope I have added some useful information and thus have supported the 
efforts of the Rev team to familiarize us with imagedata manipulation.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 13 11:44:41 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:44:41 -0500
Subject: Determine current internet proxy settings on OS X?
Message-ID: <D00D282F-38A0-4CF9-80E0-F828B283863F@mangomultimedia.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to detect the current internet proxy settings on OS X so  
users do not have to manually configure my application. I came across  
the API call which I could access with an external  
(SCDynamicStoreCopyProxies ) but I'm wondering if anyone knows a shell  
call that can be used?

Thanks,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 13 11:58:54 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:58:54 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <423FDD5C-7DCC-4F8B-A4BF-3C6839391C8E@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
	<423FDD5C-7DCC-4F8B-A4BF-3C6839391C8E@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <8AF8BDCE-DD32-4054-B380-B32325082666@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I thought about that, but there are complications with Firewalls and  
Virus Protection Applications.

All the Best
Dave

On 13 Feb 2008, at 16:03, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Why not use TCP that is cross-platform?
>
> Le 13 f?vr. 08 ? 16:53, Dave a ?crit :
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to  
>> communicate with each other. I've implemented a simple message  
>> passing mechanism on Macintosh using AppleEvents. This seems to  
>> work quite well. I now need something similar for Windows. I don't  
>> mind writing an External Command Handler in C/C++ to do this, and  
>> AFAIK I can do this using Win32 API Calls. However, on the Mac I  
>> have a handler for the "appleEvent" message, this gets called  
>> asynchronously whenever the other application send an AppleEvent.  
>> Can I achieve the same or similar under Windows? e.g. AppA gets a  
>> Message sent to it when there is a message ready to be read or  
>> some such? The only other way I can think of achieving this would  
>> be for the main application to periodically execute a "poll"  
>> handler which calls the External Command and read the message(s)  
>> from a queue?
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions gratefully appreciated.
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 12:03:36 2008
From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:03:36 -0800
Subject: Shakobox
In-Reply-To: <5358F4BB-2ED0-4C1A-9982-C73A172423D2@online.fr>
References: <5358F4BB-2ED0-4C1A-9982-C73A172423D2@online.fr>
Message-ID: <4be051070802130903y475367cfgb55e0745ce684f61@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rene,

As much as I love Shakobox, I've not done anything with >256 notes.

Sorry...

Judy

On Feb 12, 2008 5:45 PM, Ren? Micout <rmicout at online.fr> wrote:
> Hello every body,
> On MacOS X, when I use Shakobox, only 256 (sometimes less) first
> sounds (or notes) can be heard ! Why ?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 13 12:07:40 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:07:40 -0800
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
Message-ID: <47B323DC.8080809@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to  
> communicate with each other.

Do they have to be separate standalones?

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From pierre.bernaert at mac.com  Wed Feb 13 12:10:18 2008
From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:10:18 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as Standalone
	, 
Message-ID: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>

I have a main stack with several substacks using KeyBoard input and  
Control handlers stored in Main Stack.

During development everything goes right.

When running the StandAlone I can't run these Handlers.


I'm using Rev Enterprise V 2.8.1 with Mac OS X.4.10 on a Mac Mini

I tried to put this handler at SubStack Script's  level:

"on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
     answer "Stack Script 'Saisie Rapide'"                     ==> I  
can get the the question under Revolution and not when running  
Standalone
     pass SaisieChamp
end SaisieChamp"

I Put the same handler ? Stack Script's level:

"on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
     global GR?ponseChoix

     --breakpoint
     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " & NomChamp  
& return & "NomStack = " & NomStack          ==> I don't get the  
question when running Standalone
...."

I verified though the "Stack Inspector", substack is defined as  
"Substack" of the

Do I have something to do in "Stack Files" of "Stack Inspector" of  
the Main Stack ?

Has any one an idea of what goes wrong, what must I verify  or do?

Many thanks for helping

Pierre





From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 13 12:14:23 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:14:23 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <EFA72A84-2A61-475F-AA0B-911804D4AB55@free.fr>
References: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
	<EFA72A84-2A61-475F-AA0B-911804D4AB55@free.fr>
Message-ID: <C2A75752-EE48-4B63-A028-9FD743DCC506@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

This looks like it's the way to get/put data from/to applications, but:

> However, on the Mac I have a handler for the "appleEvent" message,  
> this gets called asynchronously whenever the other application send  
> an AppleEvent. Can I achieve the same or similar under Windows?  
> e.g. AppA gets a Message sent to it when there is a message ready  
> to be read or some such? The only other way I can think of  
> achieving this would be for the main application to periodically  
> execute a "poll" handler which calls the External Command and read  
> the message(s) from a queue?


Given two applications, AppA and AppB. AppB needs to send a message  
to AppA so it executes a "write to process' command. How does AppA  
know that a message has been sent? On the Mac, the "appleEvent" will  
be sent to AppA, but on Windows, AppA would have to be executing a  
"read from process" command to be able to get the data. Also if I  
have a number of Applications (AppC, AppD, AppE) that want to  
communicate with AppA then I'd have to be executing 4 "read from  
process" command simultaneously, how could this be implemented?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 13 Feb 2008, at 16:19, Thierry wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to  
>> communicate with each other.
>> Any ideas or suggestions gratefully appreciated.
>
>
> Well, I've done almost this years ago...
>
> open socket, read/write from socket...
> or
> open process, read/write from process...
>
> All this is in the Doc.
>
> HTH,
> Regards,
> Thierry
>
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From chris at altuit.com  Wed Feb 13 12:16:21 2008
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:16:21 -0600
Subject: Determine current internet proxy settings on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <D00D282F-38A0-4CF9-80E0-F828B283863F@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D00D282F-38A0-4CF9-80E0-F828B283863F@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750802130916m3af0d31i6b1babc1603987e@mail.gmail.com>

Trevor,

I think "scutil" is the interface to most everything from that api?  The
docs say "scutil --proxy" should return the current system proxy
information.

--
cb

On Feb 13, 2008 10:44 AM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to detect the current internet proxy settings on OS X so
> users do not have to manually configure my application. I came across
> the API call which I could access with an external
> (SCDynamicStoreCopyProxies ) but I'm wondering if anyone knows a shell
> call that can be used?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
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>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 13 12:18:20 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:18:20 +0100
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <C2A75752-EE48-4B63-A028-9FD743DCC506@looktowindward.com>
References: <DD8C974E-E0EF-44E2-98F1-A2A389A225C6@looktowindward.com>
	<EFA72A84-2A61-475F-AA0B-911804D4AB55@free.fr>
	<C2A75752-EE48-4B63-A028-9FD743DCC506@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <CCBBC7BF-4E24-4CC3-8D94-20BE525B2797@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

You should have a look at TCP App 1 & 2 from Alex Tweedly on RevOnline.

Le 13 f?vr. 08 ? 18:14, Dave a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> This looks like it's the way to get/put data from/to applications,  
> but:
>
>> However, on the Mac I have a handler for the "appleEvent" message,  
>> this gets called asynchronously whenever the other application  
>> send an AppleEvent. Can I achieve the same or similar under  
>> Windows? e.g. AppA gets a Message sent to it when there is a  
>> message ready to be read or some such? The only other way I can  
>> think of achieving this would be for the main application to  
>> periodically execute a "poll" handler which calls the External  
>> Command and read the message(s) from a queue?
>
>
> Given two applications, AppA and AppB. AppB needs to send a message  
> to AppA so it executes a "write to process' command. How does AppA  
> know that a message has been sent? On the Mac, the "appleEvent"  
> will be sent to AppA, but on Windows, AppA would have to be  
> executing a "read from process" command to be able to get the data.  
> Also if I have a number of Applications (AppC, AppD, AppE) that  
> want to communicate with AppA then I'd have to be executing 4 "read  
> from process" command simultaneously, how could this be implemented?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 13 12:19:08 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:19:08 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as
	Standalone , 
In-Reply-To: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>
References: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BC510D0A-2882-4804-8FE3-4549601DFB4C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Pierre,

In the standalone settings, please make sure to include ask and  
answer dialogs.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 13-feb-2008, om 18:10 heeft Pierre het volgende geschreven:

> I have a main stack with several substacks using KeyBoard input and  
> Control handlers stored in Main Stack.
>
> During development everything goes right.
>
> When running the StandAlone I can't run these Handlers.
>
>
> I'm using Rev Enterprise V 2.8.1 with Mac OS X.4.10 on a Mac Mini
>
> I tried to put this handler at SubStack Script's  level:
>
> "on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     answer "Stack Script 'Saisie Rapide'"                     ==> I  
> can get the the question under Revolution and not when running  
> Standalone
>     pass SaisieChamp
> end SaisieChamp"
>
> I Put the same handler ? Stack Script's level:
>
> "on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     global GR?ponseChoix
>
>     --breakpoint
>     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " &  
> NomChamp & return & "NomStack = " & NomStack          ==> I don't  
> get the question when running Standalone
> ...."
>
> I verified though the "Stack Inspector", substack is defined as  
> "Substack" of the
>
> Do I have something to do in "Stack Files" of "Stack Inspector" of  
> the Main Stack ?
>
> Has any one an idea of what goes wrong, what must I verify  or do?
>
> Many thanks for helping
>
> Pierre
>


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 13 12:19:29 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:19:29 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as
	Standalone , 
In-Reply-To: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>
References: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5F2DA777-7A63-441C-8578-66012FE7F04C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Pierre,

Probably you have not included the answer dialog in your standalone:
See the 'General' pane of 'StandAlone Application Settings' in menu  
'File'.

Le 13 f?vr. 08 ? 18:10, Pierre a ?crit :

> I have a main stack with several substacks using KeyBoard input and  
> Control handlers stored in Main Stack.
>
> During development everything goes right.
>
> When running the StandAlone I can't run these Handlers.
>
>
> I'm using Rev Enterprise V 2.8.1 with Mac OS X.4.10 on a Mac Mini
>
> I tried to put this handler at SubStack Script's  level:
>
> "on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     answer "Stack Script 'Saisie Rapide'"                     ==> I  
> can get the the question under Revolution and not when running  
> Standalone
>     pass SaisieChamp
> end SaisieChamp"
>
> I Put the same handler ? Stack Script's level:
>
> "on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     global GR?ponseChoix
>
>     --breakpoint
>     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " &  
> NomChamp & return & "NomStack = " & NomStack          ==> I don't  
> get the question when running Standalone
> ...."
>
> I verified though the "Stack Inspector", substack is defined as  
> "Substack" of the
>
> Do I have something to do in "Stack Files" of "Stack Inspector" of  
> the Main Stack ?
>
> Has any one an idea of what goes wrong, what must I verify  or do?
>
> Many thanks for helping
>
> Pierre

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 13 12:22:40 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:22:40 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <47B323DC.8080809@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B323DC.8080809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A1A1D96D-B760-4C2D-8BE1-73B540197327@looktowindward.com>


On 13 Feb 2008, at 17:07, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> I've been working on a way of getting two RunRev Standalone's to   
>> communicate with each other.
>
> Do they have to be separate standalones?

No, but due to the lack of independent processes in RunRev and the  
way in which "post" (and URL library in general) works, I couldn't  
make a reliable application with just one standalone. I'd *much*  
rather have just one Standalone, but the other stuff needs to work too.

I have an application that periodically creates or updates an SQLite  
database (actually there are lots of databases (separate SQLite  
files), but only one is worked on at a time) and then sends the  
results to the server. This process can take upwards of 15 minutes to  
complete. In the meantime I want to be able to still use the  
application to do other things (such as create playlists in iTunes).

The application(s) must run under Mac OS X and Windows XP/Vista.

Any ideas on how to do this would be greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave




From pierre.bernaert at mac.com  Wed Feb 13 12:25:28 2008
From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:25:28 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as
	Standalone , 
In-Reply-To: <BC510D0A-2882-4804-8FE3-4549601DFB4C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>
	<BC510D0A-2882-4804-8FE3-4549601DFB4C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <A0971B01-E98D-472B-8F8C-AF1F1218DB6E@mac.com>

Hi  Marc,

It's done 'Ask, Answer and Cursons are on"  and I get the answer  
command from the Substack so I don't think it comes from that point.

Thanks for helping



From pierre.bernaert at mac.com  Wed Feb 13 12:30:57 2008
From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:30:57 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as
	Standalone-"Corrected"
Message-ID: <4A12D245-02F0-459F-B163-96CA15FA9167@mac.com>

Excuse me I made a mistake describing the problem
so here is the right description


I have a main stack with several substacks using KeyBoard input and  
Control handlers stored in Main Stack.

During development everything goes right.

When running the StandAlone I can't run these Handlers.


I'm using Rev Enterprise V 2.8.1 with Mac OS X.4.10 on a Mac Mini

I tried to put this handler at SubStack Script's  level:

"on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
     answer "Stack Script 'Saisie Rapide'"                        ==>  
I can get the the question under Revolution AND when running  
Standalone Both are OK
     pass SaisieChamp
end SaisieChamp"

I Put the same handler ? Stack Script's level:

"on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
     global GR?ponseChoix

     --breakpoint
     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " & NomChamp  
& return & "NomStack = " & NomStack          ==> I don't get the  
question when running Standalone
...."

I verified though the "Stack Inspector", substack is defined as  
"Substack" of the

Do I have something to do in "Stack Files" of "Stack Inspector" of  
the Main Stack ?

Has any one an idea of what goes wrong, what must I verify  or do?

Many thanks for helping

Pierre







From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 13 12:36:27 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:36:27 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as
	Standalone , 
In-Reply-To: <A0971B01-E98D-472B-8F8C-AF1F1218DB6E@mac.com>
References: <8017016B-D9CD-408A-95A9-B607D2073494@mac.com>
	<BC510D0A-2882-4804-8FE3-4549601DFB4C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<A0971B01-E98D-472B-8F8C-AF1F1218DB6E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C9E015FD-63B9-428A-9312-36912CCD945F@economy-x-talk.com>

Pierre,

Could you post your complete SaisieChamp handlers, including the  
script that calls this handler, without additional comments and  
changes? I don't see a line containing "end SaisieChamp" in the  
script at mainstack level.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 13-feb-2008, om 18:25 heeft Pierre het volgende geschreven:

> Hi  Marc,
>
> It's done 'Ask, Answer and Cursons are on"  and I get the answer  
> command from the Substack so I don't think it comes from that point.
>
> Thanks for helping
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 13 12:39:36 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:39:36 +0100
Subject: Substack command don't reach main stack when executed as
	Standalone-"Corrected"
In-Reply-To: <4A12D245-02F0-459F-B163-96CA15FA9167@mac.com>
References: <4A12D245-02F0-459F-B163-96CA15FA9167@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0166E90F-6705-47ED-A117-4EEEFA4D96B1@sosmartsoftware.com>

How and when is called 'SaisieChamp'?
Seems to be the point :-)

Le 13 f?vr. 08 ? 18:30, Pierre a ?crit :

> Excuse me I made a mistake describing the problem
> so here is the right description
>
>
> I have a main stack with several substacks using KeyBoard input and  
> Control handlers stored in Main Stack.
>
> During development everything goes right.
>
> When running the StandAlone I can't run these Handlers.
>
>
> I'm using Rev Enterprise V 2.8.1 with Mac OS X.4.10 on a Mac Mini
>
> I tried to put this handler at SubStack Script's  level:
>
> "on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     answer "Stack Script 'Saisie Rapide'"                         
> ==> I can get the the question under Revolution AND when running  
> Standalone Both are OK
>     pass SaisieChamp
> end SaisieChamp"
>
> I Put the same handler ? Stack Script's level:
>
> "on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     global GR?ponseChoix
>
>     --breakpoint
>     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " &  
> NomChamp & return & "NomStack = " & NomStack          ==> I don't  
> get the question when running Standalone
> ...."
>
> I verified though the "Stack Inspector", substack is defined as  
> "Substack" of the
>
> Do I have something to do in "Stack Files" of "Stack Inspector" of  
> the Main Stack ?
>
> Has any one an idea of what goes wrong, what must I verify  or do?
>
> Many thanks for helping
>
> Pierre

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 13 12:41:49 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:41:49 -0800
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
Message-ID: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> I have an application that periodically creates or updates an SQLite  
> database (actually there are lots of databases (separate SQLite  
> files), but only one is worked on at a time) and then sends the  
> results to the server. This process can take upwards of 15 minutes to  
> complete. In the meantime I want to be able to still use the  
> application to do other things (such as create playlists in iTunes).

I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.  While polling a file's content 
can eat some cycles, polling for the existence of a file is pretty darn 
fast.  Given the scenario you describe, where you're not really 
expecting a result for several minutes, you could probably get away with 
polling for a file every few seconds.  Cheap, simple, reasonably efficient.

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 13 12:46:15 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:46:15 -0800
Subject: Archiving Eudora?
Message-ID: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>

My good-old Eudora email client has been abandoned by the developers, 
and the open-source version that's offered isn't anywhere near what 
Eudora was -- that Mozilla 'version' (Penelope) is just a skin over 
Thunderbird.

"QUALCOMM has decided not to remain in the email market because it is 
not in alignment with the core business or strategic goals."
what else does QUALCOMM do besides cell phone stuff? Don't thousands 
of people still use Eudora?

ANYWAY...   Rev content -- there was someone on this list who stated 
that they had or were working on or had completed an archiving tool 
to parse out all the Eudora files and create a CSV list.

Yes, I know I could make one, I've done Eudora email parsing before 
in HC, but if an app has already been done, it would be worth it.
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 13 13:27:27 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:27:27 -0500
Subject: Determine current internet proxy settings on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750802130916m3af0d31i6b1babc1603987e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D00D282F-38A0-4CF9-80E0-F828B283863F@mangomultimedia.com>
	<2e0cf4750802130916m3af0d31i6b1babc1603987e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <027005F2-9055-4119-8D22-A6E58505C222@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 13, 2008, at 12:16 PM, chris bohnert wrote:

> I think "scutil" is the interface to most everything from that api?   
> The
> docs say "scutil --proxy" should return the current system proxy
> information.

That looks like it will do the trick. Thanks Chris!

Regards,

-- 
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www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From pierre.bernaert at mac.com  Wed Feb 13 13:29:12 2008
From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:29:12 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9p_=3A_Substack_command_don=27t_reach_main_sta?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ck_when_executed_as_Standalone-=22Corrected=22?=
Message-ID: <A3CA2365-2853-4BF7-8232-8DD6A40412A8@mac.com>

Hi Eric and Marc

I tried to send a copy of my handlers but my mail is too big (22K  
instead of 15K allowed.

I suppressed  a few lines lines from the Handler in the Main Stack  
Script:


The "Calling Handler of the Substack is :

--> all handlers

on MouseUp 															                           ==> In the  
protected fld of the Substack
     put "Modification de '" & the short name of me & "' " & "Saisie.  
"  into  fld "Statut"
     answer "MouseUp du champ Montant"
     SaisieChamp The short name of me, the short name of this stack
end MouseUp

And the Handler in the Main Stack's script is :

on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
     global GR?ponseChoix

     --breakpoint
     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " & NomChamp  
& return & "NomStack = " & NomStack      ==> This doesn't work when  
in standalone
           --breakpoint
             get the CustomerProperties of fld NomChamp of Stack  
NomStack
             put it into Masque
             put word 3 of line 1 of Masque into NbEntiers
             put Word 3 of line 2 of Masque into TheType
             put Word 3 of line 3 of Masque into NbD?cimales
             put Word 3 of line 5 of masque into LngCsie
             put Word 3 of Line 7 of Masque into AutorisationCsieLng
             if theType = "A" then
                 CsieAlpha NomChamp, NomStack, LngCsie,  
AutorisationCsieLng
                 put the result into Valeur
             end if
     if Valeur is not "Abandon" then
         put Valeur into fld NomChamp of Stack NomStack
         put empty into fld "Statut" of Stack NomStack
     end if
end SaisieChamp

From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Feb 13 13:36:52 2008
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:36:52 EST
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows 
Message-ID: <cdd.2327bf67.34e492c4@aol.com>

After going all round the houses on this one, using files is exactly how  the 
Scripter's Scrapbook IAC API works, with the benefit of being a cross  
platform solution as well.
 
/H


Dave wrote:
> I have an application that periodically creates  or updates an SQLite  
> database (actually there are lots of  databases (separate SQLite  
> files), but only one is worked on at a  time) and then sends the  
> results to the server. This process can  take upwards of 15 minutes to  
> complete. In the meantime I want to  be able to still use the  
> application to do other things (such as  create playlists in iTunes).

Richard Gaskin wrote:
I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.   While polling a file's content 
can eat some cycles, polling for the  existence of a file is pretty darn 
fast.  Given the scenario you  describe, where you're not really 
expecting a result for several minutes,  you could probably get away with 
polling for a file every few seconds.   Cheap, simple, reasonably efficient.



   


From bvg at mac.com  Wed Feb 13 13:46:21 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:46:21 +0100
Subject: Threshold filters (Rev Newsletter #48)
In-Reply-To: <47B319EA.7000905@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <47B319EA.7000905@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <7801B9FC-66AA-41B6-87C5-3A41E7C22DD0@mac.com>

A very interesting read, and it fits nicely into your expertise.

However, you use "put into" in the last example (repeat for each).  
This negates the speed gain you'd get by using "for each". try to use  
"put after" or "put before". I made some tests, and it increased the  
speed of the loop alone by up to 10% for me. Of course it also needs  
double the ram :)

The code i used:

on mouseup
   answer "Select threshold to create the black-and-white image:"  
with  "80"  or "100"  or "128" or "150" or "180"
   wait 3 milliseconds
   put it into threshold
   set the cursor to watch
   put 1 into x
   set the saved of image x to the filename of image x
   put the imageData of image x into iData
   put 0 into counter
   put the milliseconds into bvgTimestamp
   repeat for each char C in idata
       add 1 to counter
       if counter mod 4 = 2 then # the red pixel
           put chartonum(C)  into tC
           if tC > threshold then
               put 255 into tC
           else
               put 0 into tC
           end if
       end if
       put numtochar(tC) after idata2
       --put numtochar(tC) into char counter of idata
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds - bvgTimestamp
   set the imageData of image x  to iData2
end mouseUp

On 13 Feb 2008, at 17:25, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> There is only sparse documentation about "imagedata" in Revolution.  
> Without the more detailed information and sample stacks from the  
> websites of other experienced members of this list I would probably  
> never have got a start to learn and apply some of the possibilities  
> of imagedata handling.
>
> Therefore it is praiseworthy that he Revolution team now tries to  
> provide us with more useful information in Newsletter #48 and  
> introduce us to the "use of thresholding for image manipulation".  
> They also apply modern "state-of-the-art" pedagogy, in so far as  
> they bundle their example with kind of a joke for better learning.  
> If such an approach isn't over-used it might indeed work.
>
> My "Imagedata Toolkit" stack (last public version of May 2007
>
> <http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkitPreview3.zip>)
>
> among the more than 200 filters for manipulating imagedata already  
> contains 7 filters using the threshold principle (see menu-button  
> "thresholds").
>
> I created another button in this stack adapting the script  
> information in the newsletter to my environment to compare the new  
> threshold filter.
>
> First thing I noticed was that only 25% of an image is affected.  
> This holds for all of the three script examples displayed in the  
> newsletter. One important factor is missing in all these examples,  
> which I leave to you to find out for yourselves (another instance of  
> modern pedagogy).
>
> I then downloaded the sample stack to have a look whether its  
> scripts worked better, but for some reason I was unable to un-zip  
> the stack on Windows, even after downloading it again. I transferred  
> the archive to my Macbook and finally succeeded in extracting the  
> stack using Stuffit Expander. Looking at the relevant script  
> revealed that here the author of the stack had indeed added the  
> missing factor.
>
> Re-tranferring the unzipped stack back to Windows did not work  
> first, until I found out  that Windows did not like the question- 
> mark  as part of the stack name.
> I removed the question-mark, and then  was able to get the stack  
> onto my Windows computer, however, it was impossible to open it in  
> Revolution.
> Therefore I only extracted the necessary script from the stack on my  
> Macbook and put it into my Imagedata-Toolkit stack on my Windows  
> machine.
>
> Now I was able to compare the threshold script with my own 7  
> threshold buttons. The solution found by the author - even  
> disregarding the entertainment factor - was fine and its effects  
> different, but somewhat similar to  those of my own buttons that use  
> two or more thresholds.
>
> However, I found the script to run much slower due to the many  
> computations inside the nested repeat loops.-
>
> ======================
> In the following, I use a step-by-step approach to show how the  
> speed of the script execution could be improved. To do this I show  
> only one of the thirteen script lines inside the loop that -  
> concerning the definition of the imagedata chars - is identical to  
> the other 12 lines.
>
> "repeat with y = 1 to pHeight
>   repeat with x = 1 to pWidth           put charToNum(char ((y - 1)  
> * pWidth * 4) + ((x - 1)  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into tRed"
>
> The script as it is takes 3500 milliseconds to execute for an image  
> 640x480 on my Windows computer.
>
> Step 1: Remove the two "- 1" inside the loop and change the x and y  
> start and end values accordingly;
>
> new script:
>
> "repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
>   repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1          put charToNum(char (y *  
> pWidth * 4) + (x  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into tRed"
>
> Speed gain here is about 300 milliseconds (now 3219).
>
> Step 2: Compute "pwidth * 4" outside the loops;
>
> new script:
>
> "put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
> repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
>   repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1          put charToNum(char (y *  
> tpWidth) + (x  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into tRed"
>
> Speed gain another 300 ms (now 2932).
>
> Step 3: Combine y with tpwidth;
>
> new script:
>
> "put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
> repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
> put y * tpwidth into typwidth
>   repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1          put charToNum(char  
> typWidth + (x  * 4) + 2 of pImage) into tRed"
>
> Step 4: put "x*4" into tx;
>
> new script:
>
> "put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
> repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
> put y * tpwidth into typwidth
>   repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1
>     put x * 4 into tx         put charToNum(char typWidth + tx + 2  
> of pImage) into tRed"
>
> Overall speed gain from beginning: 1 second (now 2585)
>
> Step 5: Combine typwidth and tx;
>
> new script:
>
> "put pwidth * 4 into tpwidth
> repeat with y = 0 to pHeight - 1
> put y * tpwidth into typwidth
>   repeat with x = 0 to pWidth - 1
>     put x * 4 into tx       put typwidth + tx into tyx       put  
> charToNum(char tyx + 2 of pImage) into tRed"
>
> Speed gain: another 100 ms (now 2461)
>
> Step 6: Remove the irrelevant line accessing the alpha value of the  
> imagedata char, i.e.
>
> remove line (this is the original form)
> "put charToNum(char ((y - 1) * pWidth * 4) + ((x - 1)  * 4) + 1 of  
> pImage) into tAlpha"
>
> Speed gain: again 100 ms (now 2340).--
>
> Overall speed gain is now 33% compared to the speed of the original  
> script.-
>
> ==========================
>   As an additional script example - which is not among the 7 scripts  
> in my Imagedata stack - I  tried to find a very simply structured  
> script using "for each" (which is by the way - in this case - slower  
> than a nested repeat loop), applying only one threshold, and using  
> only the red value to create a black-and-white image:
>
> "on mouseup
> answer "Select threshold to create the black-and-white image:" with   
> "80"  or "100"  or "128" or "150" or "180"
> wait 3 milliseconds
> put it into threshold
> set the cursor to watch
> put the imageData of image x into iData
> put 0 into counter
> repeat for each char C in idata
>   add 1 to counter
>   if counter mod 4 = 2 then # the red pixel
>     put chartonum(C)  into tC
>     if tC > threshold then
>       put 255 into tC
>     else
>       put 0 into tC
>     end if
>   end if
>   put numtochar(tC) into char counter of idata
> end repeat
> set the imageData of image x  to iData
> end mouseUp"
>
> (Pay attention to possible line breaks of this script  in this post.)
>
> I hope I have added some useful information and thus have supported  
> the efforts of the Rev team to familiarize us with imagedata  
> manipulation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
>
>
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Feb 13 14:02:04 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:02:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Number of display lines on a Option Menu
In-Reply-To: <71568924-5234-4746-84A8-850E773FD477@mac.com>
References: <15426131.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802112123q6a6acf7u21960e24471d4211@mail.gmail.com>
	<15436798.post@talk.nabble.com> <fosvso$1mb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15445207.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802121543g7d9ec979gda534b127b6d9e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<15446492.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<71568924-5234-4746-84A8-850E773FD477@mac.com>
Message-ID: <15463917.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Randy,
Thanx for the reply.
What the original question was: how to set the number of lines that are
displayed when the user clicks open an Option button. I could not find the
property for this in v2.8.1. In actual fact, it is not there on the
Inspector.
Sarah placed an image of the v2.9.0 Inspector on her web site showing this
newly placed property to manually set the "menuLines" to a number.
=-=-=-=-=-=
Mark Stuart


Randy Hengst wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> It is possible to set the option menu choices via a script -- rather  
> than entering them via the properties menu. That way you can have any  
> number of choices that you need and then change the options choices  
> so they are context sensitive. I used this method in a correct-the- 
> sentence program I made for a local teacher (known frequently as  
> Daily Oral Language in U.S. elementary schools). The correction  
> button displays different choices based on the part of the sentence  
> the students click on.
> 
> If you have an option button called demo, then place this script in  
> another button.
> 
> put "one" & return & "two" & return &  "three" into button "demo"
> 
> The option choices will then be one, two and three in that order.
> 
> You can also place the choices in a variable and then put the  
> variable into the option button like this:
> 
> local tOptionsTemp
> put "two" & return & "three" into tOptionsTemp
> put tOptionsTemp into button "demo"
> 
> Now the button choices will read two, three
> 
> Sorry if I missed the point of your original post.
> 
> take care,
> randy hengst
> -----------------
> 
> On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:18 PM, mfstuart wrote:
> 
>>
>> Awesome, thanx for the reply and image, Sarah.
>> I/we will be waiting for this next version (2.9.0) for this property.
>> Currently, I'm using 2.8.1 on WINXP.
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Mark Stuart
> 
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Feb 13 14:08:26 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:08:26 +0200
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>

What about the 2 applications connecting to the same sqlite database - 
one updates the db, the other checks whether and how it was updated?..

Viktoras

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> I have an application that periodically creates or updates an SQLite  
>> database (actually there are lots of databases (separate SQLite  
>> files), but only one is worked on at a time) and then sends the  
>> results to the server. This process can take upwards of 15 minutes 
>> to  complete. In the meantime I want to be able to still use the  
>> application to do other things (such as create playlists in iTunes).
>
> I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.  While polling a file's 
> content can eat some cycles, polling for the existence of a file is 
> pretty darn fast.  Given the scenario you describe, where you're not 
> really expecting a result for several minutes, you could probably get 
> away with polling for a file every few seconds.  Cheap, simple, 
> reasonably efficient.
>



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Feb 13 16:35:52 2008
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:35:52 +0100
Subject: Threshold filters (Rev Newsletter #48)
Message-ID: <47B362B8.7080007@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed Feb 13, 2008, Bj?rnke von Gierke bvg at mac.com wrote:

> However, you use "put into" in the last example (repeat for each).  
> This negates the speed gain you'd get by using "for each". try to use  
> "put after" or "put before". I made some tests, and it increased the  
> speed of the loop alone by up to 10% for me. Of course it also needs  
> double the ram :)


Correct! I see I have first to put empty into an extra variable

"put "" into idata2"

and then use

"put numtochar (tC) after idata2"

instead of

"put numtochar(tC) into char counter of idata".

This improves the execution speed from 1360 to 1221 milliseconds with 
the imagesize in my stack.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 13 16:46:17 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:46:17 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_R=E9p_=3A_Substack_command_don=27t_reach_ma?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?in_stack_when_executed_as_Standalone-=22Corrected=22?=
In-Reply-To: <A3CA2365-2853-4BF7-8232-8DD6A40412A8@mac.com>
References: <A3CA2365-2853-4BF7-8232-8DD6A40412A8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8A2B1875-854D-4D0F-BE45-4D23F5CB08E8@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Pierre,

I have tested your script and it works fine, both as a stack and as a  
standalone, provided that the necessary fields are available.

I never use this feature, but in this case it might be useful: in the  
standalone settings, there is a Bug Reports features, which you can  
turn on. If you turn this on, you should see error information when  
you run your standalone and click in the field that contains the  
mouseUp handler. Could you post that information here?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 13-feb-2008, om 19:29 heeft Pierre het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Eric and Marc
>
> I tried to send a copy of my handlers but my mail is too big (22K  
> instead of 15K allowed.
>
> I suppressed  a few lines lines from the Handler in the Main Stack  
> Script:
>
>
> The "Calling Handler of the Substack is :
>
> --> all handlers
>
> on MouseUp 															                           ==> In the  
> protected fld of the Substack
>     put "Modification de '" & the short name of me & "' " &  
> "Saisie. "  into  fld "Statut"
>     answer "MouseUp du champ Montant"
>     SaisieChamp The short name of me, the short name of this stack
> end MouseUp
>
> And the Handler in the Main Stack's script is :
>
> on SaisieChamp NomChamp, NomStack
>     global GR?ponseChoix
>
>     --breakpoint
>     answer "Script Stack Compta" & return & "NomChamp = " &  
> NomChamp & return & "NomStack = " & NomStack      ==> This doesn't  
> work when in standalone
>           --breakpoint
>             get the CustomerProperties of fld NomChamp of Stack  
> NomStack
>             put it into Masque
>             put word 3 of line 1 of Masque into NbEntiers
>             put Word 3 of line 2 of Masque into TheType
>             put Word 3 of line 3 of Masque into NbD?cimales
>             put Word 3 of line 5 of masque into LngCsie
>             put Word 3 of Line 7 of Masque into AutorisationCsieLng
>             if theType = "A" then
>                 CsieAlpha NomChamp, NomStack, LngCsie,  
> AutorisationCsieLng
>                 put the result into Valeur
>             end if
>     if Valeur is not "Abandon" then
>         put Valeur into fld NomChamp of Stack NomStack
>         put empty into fld "Statut" of Stack NomStack
>     end if
> end SaisieChamp




From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 13 17:51:16 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:51:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Archiving Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <15469849.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Stephen,

Eudora uses the mbox format, Right?
On September 2006, i posted this message to this mail list:

stack Mailbox Offline reader

Hi all,

This stack arises from the fact that i do not
have internet in the place where i live actually
and i like to read the messages from this list
without downloading many yahoo html pages.

i?m looking for testers and comments
for this stack: Mailbox browser.rev
to make it more useful and easy to understand.

http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Mailbox_browser.zip
_http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Mailbox_browser.zip_

This stack allows to read offline, the mailboxes
from this and many maillist that uses the mbox format
to store the messages.

To test this stack, download the compressed stack
and a mailbox gzipped file like:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-September.txt.gz
_http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-September.txt.gz_

Decompress the stack and open it in Rev or any of
the players. When you open the stack, you will
noticed six tabs: Messages, Developers, date, 
Subject, words, update.

Click at the tab named "Update".
you will notice a text field and four controls
in the bottom of the card area.

Click at the button named:
Click this button to update...
or
Drag and drop a mailbox gzipped file
to the field labeled:
Drag and Drop here a compressed...

Then, automatically an script will create
a duplicate of the stack "Mailbox Offline Reader"
and will insert in this copy (as custom properties)
1)the complete mailbox compressed as gzip
2)a gzip compressed Subject index
3)a Developers index
4)Date index
5)words index
6) and create other custom properties.

Notice, in the process of creating this mailbox,
the script ask that you choose one or two letters
to identify the mailbox. Use R for Runrev or
M for MetaCard mailboxes or E for education list...

When the process of creating all these indexes
is finished the stack is saved at the same location
of the stack "Mailbox Offline Reader" using the
extension .mdg , but remember it is still a stack
that you could open from Revolution.

Then, from this stack, you will be able to
browse the post of the mailbox, by date, developer,
subject, and words. In the first tab, Messages,
you could use the right click button to get a 
contextual menu to copy text, and find it in
the indexes. In the other tabs: developers, subjects
date and words, you had to Right click on the 
line to activate the script that displays 
the messages.

The code is open to see, feel free to post
your own enhancement to this list, or send them
to my email.

Thanks to Chipp Walters for his stack altFldHeader
and Alex Tweedley for his script to parse
Mailboxes.

Have a nice day.

alejandro

on Wednesday, 13 February 2008
Stephen Barncard wrote:

> there was someone on this list who stated 
> that they had or were working on or had completed an archiving tool 
> to parse out all the Eudora files and create a CSV list.

> Yes, I know I could make one, I've done Eudora email parsing before 
> in HC, but if an app has already been done, it would be worth it.


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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Feb 13 18:19:45 2008
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:19:45 -0600
Subject: Archiving Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <20080213171945861914.33a90f55@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:46:15 -0800, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Yes, I know I could make one, I've done Eudora email parsing before 
> in HC, but if an app has already been done, it would be worth it.

Check out: www.manybases.com

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Feb 13 18:09:01 2008
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:09:01 +0100
Subject: Archiving Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <p0624080dc3d9287e427f@[192.168.1.104]>

On 13/02/08 at 09:46 -0800 Stephen Barncard apparently wrote:
>My good-old Eudora email client has been abandoned by the 
>developers, and the open-source version that's offered isn't 
>anywhere near what Eudora was -- that Mozilla 'version' (Penelope) 
>is just a skin over Thunderbird.

Check out Odysseus. They should be coming with beta soon. Besides, 
the good-old Eudora continues to work under Leopard (with just a 
glitch with certain type of sounds in 6.x), so no specific reason to 
stop using it any time soon.

>ANYWAY...   Rev content -- there was someone on this list who stated 
>that they had or were working on or had completed an archiving tool 
>to parse out all the Eudora files and create a CSV list.

I think this is (was?) available as a commercial product. Forget the name.

Robert


From andres at bakno.com  Wed Feb 13 18:24:41 2008
From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:24:41 -0500
Subject: Accessing Addressbook
In-Reply-To: <459184.38979.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <459184.38979.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <81220936-F3EC-4184-B94C-3DB47074A44F@bakno.com>

Thanks Jan

I was able to read the address book and entourage using Applescript in  
OSX.

However, I am pulling my hair trying to find a way to read the Windows  
Address Book.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=134927

Does anyone know how to do it?

Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:56 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- Andres Martinez <andres at bakno.com> wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> Is there a common way to access the addressbook
>> (iCal and Entourage)
>> in OSX?
>>
>> What about Windows?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andres Martinez
>>
>
> Hi Andres,
>
> Your new best friends are AppleScript on OSX and
> VBScript on Windows. Take a look at Ken Ray's tips
> here:
> <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm>
>
> Hope this gets you started,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
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>
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Feb 13 19:23:43 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:23:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Launch silent or shell silent on WINXP
Message-ID: <15471300.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Environment: v2.8.1 on WINXP.
I'm using the "launch" command to run an executable, where this executable
has no interface and therefore does not need to display/show to the user.
But when running the executable it flashes the DOS box to the user.
Is there an option on the "launch" command to NOT display the DOS box - a
'silent' option or something?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart

ps: I know that defining a shortcut for the executable could work, but
wanted to know if the command could take such options for display/show, such
as: Hide, Normal, Minimized, Maximized. It would be a nice option to have.
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 19:36:55 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:36:55 +1000
Subject: Launch silent or shell silent on WINXP
In-Reply-To: <15471300.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15471300.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802131636n53f50a54n3f116b2d67f07800@mail.gmail.com>

> Environment: v2.8.1 on WINXP.
> I'm using the "launch" command to run an executable, where this executable
> has no interface and therefore does not need to display/show to the user.
> But when running the executable it flashes the DOS box to the user.
> Is there an option on the "launch" command to NOT display the DOS box - a
> 'silent' option or something?

Try setting the hideConsoleWindows to false before launching.

Cheers,
Sarah


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 13 22:39:07 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:39:07 -0600
Subject: Threshold filters (Rev Newsletter #48)
In-Reply-To: <47B362B8.7080007@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <47B362B8.7080007@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802131939r416c4489pde01f026d784691e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Wilhelm for the great example in script optimization!


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 14 01:56:59 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:56:59 -0800
Subject: Archiving Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <15469849.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
	<15469849.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <p06240814c3d993262f52@[192.168.1.70]>

Thanks, Alejandro,

I will check out your stack.

Perhaps I'll wait a month or so and check out Odysseus, if I can hold 
out. (Thanks Robert for that tip) Contrary to some others' 
experiences, my experience with Eudora Mac in 10.5.2 is pretty bad, 
with no spellchecking, random crashes, error messages on wake from 
sleep, adding attachments from a file dialog will sometimes crash 
hard. Eudora is getting more unreliable with each OS update. But I 
still love her, the old floozy.

And Ken - thanks for info on Fast MailBase -- it uses Valentina -- is 
it a Rev app too?

sqb


>Hi Stephen,
>
>Eudora uses the mbox format, Right?
>On September 2006, i posted this message to this mail list:
>
>stack Mailbox Offline reader
>

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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 14 02:07:37 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:07:37 +0100
Subject: Archiving Eudora?
In-Reply-To: <p06240814c3d993262f52@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <p06240808c3d8dd5b9314@[192.168.1.70]>
	<15469849.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<p06240814c3d993262f52@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <E3EEB58C-5162-429B-96BF-56286DAE42D9@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Stephen,

Le 14 f?vr. 08 ? 07:56, Stephen Barncard a ?crit :

> And Ken - thanks for info on Fast MailBase
>
> -- it uses Valentina
Yes.

> -- is it a Rev app too?
Yes.

ManyBases is a software written by Frederic Rinaldi.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Feb 14 02:17:42 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:17:42 +0200
Subject: Threshold filters (Rev Newsletter #48)
In-Reply-To: <7801B9FC-66AA-41B6-87C5-3A41E7C22DD0@mac.com>
References: <47B319EA.7000905@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<7801B9FC-66AA-41B6-87C5-3A41E7C22DD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47B3EB16.8030309@ekoinf.net>

...from my observations put before tends to slow down with larger files. 
So put after is the fastest of all...
V.

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> A very interesting read, and it fits nicely into your expertise.
>
> However, you use "put into" in the last example (repeat for each). 
> This negates the speed gain you'd get by using "for each". try to use 
> "put after" or "put before". I made some tests, and it increased the 
> speed of the loop alone by up to 10% for me. Of course it also needs 
> double the ram :)



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Feb 14 03:12:32 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:12:32 -0800
Subject: Paradigma 10th Anniversary Means Free Developer Packs
Message-ID: <00ae01c86ee1$59749a50$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

Paradigma 10th Anniversary Means Free Developer Packs

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 14 06:06:45 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:06:45 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>
References: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com> <47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <F69CA4C2-D745-4537-9AC0-48FF542C3064@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Since they are two standalone applications they will have different  
engine's and different SQLite libraries, so I don't think you could  
access the same database with it getting corrupted. If you know a way  
do this this I'd be VERY interested.

Thanks

All the Best
Dave


On 13 Feb 2008, at 19:08, viktoras didziulis wrote:

> What about the 2 applications connecting to the same sqlite  
> database - one updates the db, the other checks whether and how it  
> was updated?..
>
> Viktoras
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>> I have an application that periodically creates or updates an  
>>> SQLite  database (actually there are lots of databases (separate  
>>> SQLite  files), but only one is worked on at a time) and then  
>>> sends the  results to the server. This process can take upwards  
>>> of 15 minutes to  complete. In the meantime I want to be able to  
>>> still use the  application to do other things (such as create  
>>> playlists in iTunes).
>>
>> I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.  While polling a file's  
>> content can eat some cycles, polling for the existence of a file  
>> is pretty darn fast.  Given the scenario you describe, where  
>> you're not really expecting a result for several minutes, you  
>> could probably get away with polling for a file every few  
>> seconds.  Cheap, simple, reasonably efficient.
>>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 14 06:11:10 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:11:10 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows 
In-Reply-To: <cdd.2327bf67.34e492c4@aol.com>
References: <cdd.2327bf67.34e492c4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2CCF5335-92E8-4754-BF83-C79D81F5DBE9@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I thought about using a file, but the problem is that database app  
has to send progress updates quite often and since it's accessing the  
disk heavily anyway (building the SQLite database from input files)  
it would slow the whole process down.

If I use sockets and an addres of 127.0.0.1:6000 could this cause a  
problem with anti-virus and firewall software?

Thanks a lot

All the Best
Dave

On 13 Feb 2008, at 18:36, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> After going all round the houses on this one, using files is  
> exactly how  the
> Scripter's Scrapbook IAC API works, with the benefit of being a cross
> platform solution as well.
>
> /H
>
>
> Dave wrote:
>> I have an application that periodically creates  or updates an SQLite
>> database (actually there are lots of  databases (separate SQLite
>> files), but only one is worked on at a  time) and then sends the
>> results to the server. This process can  take upwards of 15  
>> minutes to
>> complete. In the meantime I want to  be able to still use the
>> application to do other things (such as  create playlists in iTunes).
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.   While polling a file's  
> content
> can eat some cycles, polling for the  existence of a file is pretty  
> darn
> fast.  Given the scenario you  describe, where you're not really
> expecting a result for several minutes,  you could probably get  
> away with
> polling for a file every few seconds.   Cheap, simple, reasonably  
> efficient.
>
>
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 14 06:21:06 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:21:06 +0100
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows 
In-Reply-To: <2CCF5335-92E8-4754-BF83-C79D81F5DBE9@looktowindward.com>
References: <cdd.2327bf67.34e492c4@aol.com>
	<2CCF5335-92E8-4754-BF83-C79D81F5DBE9@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <B356F350-C32D-41BC-B6A0-DA628F15CF5C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Dave,

Le 14 f?vr. 08 ? 12:11, Dave a ?crit :

> If I use sockets and an addres of 127.0.0.1:6000 could this cause a  
> problem with anti-virus and firewall software?

6000-6063/tcp ports are reserved for  X Window System.
See http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers to choose a 'right'  
number.
About firewalls, yes they will complain at first launch: the user  
will allow your app once for all.

Best regards from Paris,
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Feb 14 07:36:42 2008
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:36:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Threshold filters (Rev Newsletter #48)
In-Reply-To: <47B319EA.7000905@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <47B319EA.7000905@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <15479415.post@talk.nabble.com>


Wilhelm,

try this for the threshold from red

on mouseup
    answer "Select threshold to create the black-and-white image:" with ?
"80" ?or "100" ?or "128" or "150" or "180"
    wait 3 milliseconds
    put it into threshold
    set the cursor to watch
    put the imagedata of image x into iData
    put "" into tOutData
    put numtochar(255) into tAlphabit
    put length(iData) into tLength
    
    put the millisec into tStart
    
    repeat with i = 2 to tLength  step 4  -- i=2 for Red, i=3 for green, i=4
for blue
        if chartonum(char i of iData) >= threshold then put numtochar(255)
into tC else put numtochar(0) into tC
        put tAlphabit & tC & tC & tC after tOutData
    end repeat
    
    ? put the millisec - tStart
    ? set the imagedata of image x ?to tOutData 
end mouseUp


apparently 'for each' is slower for chars, maybe Rev has to load each char
into the variable and accessing chars with some pointer magic is faster ??,
especially since only one fourth of the chars is accessed here (step 4)

interestingly I found the following script to be minimally but consistently
faster then the above although it has to load chunks of data and a nested
repeat loop

on mouseup
    answer "Select threshold to create the black-and-white image:" with ?
"80" ?or "100" ?or "128" or "150" or "180"
    wait 3 milliseconds
    put it into threshold
    put imagedata of image x into tData
    put the length of tData into tDataLength
    put the width of image x into theWidth
    put the height of image x into theHeight
    put theWidth * 4 into OneRow
     
    put numtochar(255) into tAlphaBit
    put 1 into tIncrement
    put "" into tDataOUt
    
    put the millisec into tStart
     
    repeat with n = 1 to theHeight
        put char tIncrement to (tIncrement + OneRow -1) of tData into
tOneRowData
        add OneRow to tIncrement
        
        repeat with p = 2 to OneRow - 4 step 4 -- i = 2 for Red, i=3 for
green, i=4 for blue
            if chartonum(char p of tOneRowData) >= threshold then put
numtochar(255) into tC else put numtochar(0) into tC
            put tAlphaBit & tC & tC & tC after tDataOUt
        end repeat
         
    end repeat
    put the millisec - tStart 
    set the imagedata of image x ?to tDataOUt 
end mouseUp


best regards and thanks for your great image toolkit

Bernd



Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> 
> 
> "on mouseup
>   answer "Select threshold to create the black-and-white image:" with  
> "80"  or "100"  or "128" or "150" or "180"
>   wait 3 milliseconds
>   put it into threshold
>   set the cursor to watch
>   put the imageData of image x into iData
>  
>   put 0 into counter
>   repeat for each char C in idata
>     add 1 to counter
>     if counter mod 4 = 2 then # the red pixel
>       put chartonum(C)  into tC
>       if tC > threshold then
>         put 255 into tC
>       else
>         put 0 into tC
>       end if
>     end if
>     put numtochar(tC) into char counter of idata
>   end repeat
>  
>   set the imageData of image x  to iData
> end mouseUp"
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Wilhelm Sanke
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Feb 14 07:45:16 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:45:16 +0100
Subject: filter without empty
Message-ID: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>

Hi there,

just spend some hours debugging some otherwise clean code
for a couple of hours just to discover that:

...
put "one" & numtochar(0) & "two" into newstring
filter newstring without empty
put newstring
...

gives: "one"!

I just wanted to remove empty lines, so is this correct behaviour?
Or should I bugzilla this one?

No problems with numtochar(1).


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Feb 14 07:48:06 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:48:06 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows 
In-Reply-To: <2CCF5335-92E8-4754-BF83-C79D81F5DBE9@looktowindward.com>
References: <cdd.2327bf67.34e492c4@aol.com>
	<2CCF5335-92E8-4754-BF83-C79D81F5DBE9@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <55FE4A1D-E65E-465C-9C68-5846D9E80F2A@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Might be worth a look at SQLite shared cache mode.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:11, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I thought about using a file, but the problem is that database app  
> has to send progress updates quite often and since it's accessing  
> the disk heavily anyway (building the SQLite database from input  
> files) it would slow the whole process down.
>
> If I use sockets and an addres of 127.0.0.1:6000 could this cause a  
> problem with anti-virus and firewall software?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 13 Feb 2008, at 18:36, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:
>
>> After going all round the houses on this one, using files is  
>> exactly how  the
>> Scripter's Scrapbook IAC API works, with the benefit of being a cross
>> platform solution as well.
>>
>> /H
>>
>>
>> Dave wrote:
>>> I have an application that periodically creates  or updates an  
>>> SQLite
>>> database (actually there are lots of  databases (separate SQLite
>>> files), but only one is worked on at a  time) and then sends the
>>> results to the server. This process can  take upwards of 15  
>>> minutes to
>>> complete. In the meantime I want to  be able to still use the
>>> application to do other things (such as  create playlists in  
>>> iTunes).
>>
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.   While polling a file's  
>> content
>> can eat some cycles, polling for the  existence of a file is  
>> pretty darn
>> fast.  Given the scenario you  describe, where you're not really
>> expecting a result for several minutes,  you could probably get  
>> away with
>> polling for a file every few seconds.   Cheap, simple, reasonably  
>> efficient.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Feb 14 08:00:20 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:00:20 +0000
Subject: filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>
References: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <17EAE47A-26C0-4725-BA4C-EEB0E1533720@maseurope.net>

I think using engine opertaions on data that contains nulls is a bit  
of a no-no. I believe (though happy to be corrected) that Rev uses C- 
style null terminated strings internally, so nulls will often produce  
'unexpected results'.

Best,

Mark

On 14 Feb 2008, at 12:45, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> just spend some hours debugging some otherwise clean code
> for a couple of hours just to discover that:
>
> ...
> put "one" & numtochar(0) & "two" into newstring
> filter newstring without empty
> put newstring
> ...
>
> gives: "one"!
>
> I just wanted to remove empty lines, so is this correct behaviour?
> Or should I bugzilla this one?
>
> No problems with numtochar(1).
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Feb 14 08:06:51 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:06:51 +0100
Subject: filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <17EAE47A-26C0-4725-BA4C-EEB0E1533720@maseurope.net>
References: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>
	<17EAE47A-26C0-4725-BA4C-EEB0E1533720@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <39C38E8D-61EF-42D8-915C-8378A9B121C8@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> I think using engine opertaions on data that contains nulls is a  
> bit of a no-no. I believe (though happy to be corrected) that Rev  
> uses C-style null terminated strings internally, so nulls will  
> often produce 'unexpected results'.

Hm, I have been using numtochar(0) quite often in the past, especially
as an itemdelitimter with other numtochar(1) delimited items in it,  
and this
is he first time that I encountered problems.

Any other opinions before I remove this potential troublemaker from  
my scripts?

Thanks Mark :-)

> Best,
>
> Mark

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de/bass

Mark, maybe you as a bassplayer would like to take a look at my new
bass dept. on my website? See signature. Still work in progress!




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Feb 14 08:30:19 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:30:19 +0200
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <F69CA4C2-D745-4537-9AC0-48FF542C3064@looktowindward.com>
References: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com> <47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>
	<F69CA4C2-D745-4537-9AC0-48FF542C3064@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47B4426B.4020400@ekoinf.net>

Hi Dave,

in one of my applications I use shell to communicate with sqlite for 
data .import and revolution's sqlite to query and modify the same 
database. It was never corrupted... Maybe just because .importing and 
modification are sequential and do not attempt to modify the same 
database in the same time.

I am frequently using an instance of commandline sqlite  and an instance 
of sqlitespy for some database tests - it possibly can corrupt the 
database, but so far this has never happened.

Accessing the same sqlite database should not make any big troubles 
unless both sqlite instances modify the database simultaneously. In this 
case you may try implementing some sort of locking mechanism. But then 
the solution with file would be simpler.

I did a test with a very very simple sqlite app - it did not corrupt the 
database even if many instances of it were running... So you can read, 
insert or delete a record in a table with one instance and read it with 
another and vice versa... But I guess there are scenarios when the 
database can get corrupt.

The zipped folder with both the compiled app (for Windows) and the 
source can be downloaded from:
http://ekoinf.net/soft/SQLiteTest.zip

Best wishes
Viktoras

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since they are two standalone applications they will have different 
> engine's and different SQLite libraries, so I don't think you could 
> access the same database with it getting corrupted. If you know a way 
> do this this I'd be VERY interested.
>
> Thanks
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
> On 13 Feb 2008, at 19:08, viktoras didziulis wrote:
>
>> What about the 2 applications connecting to the same sqlite database 
>> - one updates the db, the other checks whether and how it was updated?..
>>
>> Viktoras
>>
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>> I have an application that periodically creates or updates an 
>>>> SQLite  database (actually there are lots of databases (separate 
>>>> SQLite  files), but only one is worked on at a time) and then sends 
>>>> the  results to the server. This process can take upwards of 15 
>>>> minutes to  complete. In the meantime I want to be able to still 
>>>> use the  application to do other things (such as create playlists 
>>>> in iTunes).
>>>
>>> I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.  While polling a file's 
>>> content can eat some cycles, polling for the existence of a file is 
>>> pretty darn fast.  Given the scenario you describe, where you're not 
>>> really expecting a result for several minutes, you could probably 
>>> get away with polling for a file every few seconds.  Cheap, simple, 
>>> reasonably efficient.
>>>
>>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Feb 14 09:31:33 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:31:33 +0000
Subject: filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <39C38E8D-61EF-42D8-915C-8378A9B121C8@major-k.de>
References: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>
	<17EAE47A-26C0-4725-BA4C-EEB0E1533720@maseurope.net>
	<39C38E8D-61EF-42D8-915C-8378A9B121C8@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <17914D31-2DC2-466F-AD86-97701669FE91@maseurope.net>

Oh well, my theory is clearly flawed - though I remember having some  
trouble with nulls a few years ago and so have avoided using them since.

Cool bass site! I believe Mark Wieder is also an earth shaker - any  
others here?

Best,

Mark

On 14 Feb 2008, at 13:06, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
>> I think using engine opertaions on data that contains nulls is a  
>> bit of a no-no. I believe (though happy to be corrected) that Rev  
>> uses C-style null terminated strings internally, so nulls will  
>> often produce 'unexpected results'.
>
> Hm, I have been using numtochar(0) quite often in the past, especially
> as an itemdelitimter with other numtochar(1) delimited items in it,  
> and this
> is he first time that I encountered problems.
>
> Any other opinions before I remove this potential troublemaker from  
> my scripts?
>
> Thanks Mark :-)
>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>
> Best
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de/bass
>
> Mark, maybe you as a bassplayer would like to take a look at my new
> bass dept. on my website? See signature. Still work in progress!
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 14 11:25:59 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:25:59 -0800
Subject: filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C3D9AB97.4C130%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I know for sure that null does not work with the filter command.

I have posted code in the past for extracting data from sources that you do
not create and one of the steps I put in before any filter commands is

replace null with empty in dataBlock

Sorry it works that way.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/14/08 4:45 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> just spend some hours debugging some otherwise clean code
> for a couple of hours just to discover that:
> 
> ...
> put "one" & numtochar(0) & "two" into newstring
> filter newstring without empty
> put newstring
> ...
> 
> gives: "one"!
> 
> I just wanted to remove empty lines, so is this correct behaviour?
> Or should I bugzilla this one?
> 
> No problems with numtochar(1).
> 




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 14 11:46:46 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800
Subject: OT bass players
In-Reply-To: <17914D31-2DC2-466F-AD86-97701669FE91@maseurope.net>
References: <F770715C-1B24-4EAA-9E39-855E2935A6E2@major-k.de>
	<17EAE47A-26C0-4725-BA4C-EEB0E1533720@maseurope.net>
	<39C38E8D-61EF-42D8-915C-8378A9B121C8@major-k.de>
	<17914D31-2DC2-466F-AD86-97701669FE91@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <p06240800c3da1fd8293a@[192.168.1.70]>

used to play bass on stage in the mid to late 60's in a huge horn 
band. Built my own amp and speaker cabinet. Played on my own [studio] 
productions in the 70's.    My chops are out of shape now (and so 
many players I know are  much better than I now) but still have a 
nice pre-CBS jazz Fender.
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Feb 14 12:32:54 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:32:54 -0800
Subject: Free Valentina ADK Std Editon;
	New Revolution Oriented NING Community
Message-ID: <028f01c86f2f$a2117be0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

We are in the process of inviting our partners to join the Mirye Community
NING at http://miryesoftware.ning.com and want to invite you :-)

A few things we've posted today:

-10 Minutes with Bill Atkinson, Creator of HyperCard
-Celebrating 10 Years of Valentina with FREE Valentina ADK Std Edition
-February 2008: Free Icon Set with Revolution Studio or Higher (upgrades or
new)
-Other Special Offers

This site focuses more on the "solution" rather than the product; the plan
is to establish special interest groups around what you can achieve with
Revolution and associated products. Mirye focuses on the "fruit" of digital
production, which encompasses cross-platform development.

For this reason, we have Special Interest Groups that will be solutions
oriented. That does not mean it is exclusively commercial in nature - we all
need to accomplish tasks with the tools we use. One group just started is
the Revolution Live Group to talk with other attendees
(http://miryesoftware.ning.com/group/revolutionlive).

This site works along with other iniatives such as the Revolution Developers
Linked In Group (http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/50811/3AFC3E793E6E) and the -
now in beta - Consultant's Directory
(http://www.mirye.com/index.php/Revolution-Developers.html). The
consultant's directory is still rough around the edges and to be updated,
but any data entered will be carried over. A basic listing there is entirely
free.

We are currently recruiting Benevolent Dictators to help out with the
Special Interest Groups or to suggest new ones. If you can devote some time
to helping shepard particular special interest areas - we are very
interested to hear from you.

I hope you'll join in! This site isnt a replacement for the Revolution
mailing list, but it's got features that will make it a pleasure compared to
many more static community sites.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com





From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Feb 14 13:03:31 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:03:31 +0100
Subject: filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <C3D9AB97.4C130%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C3D9AB97.4C130%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3DF83A23-DDE4-45FA-8CEE-32965B4A85FE@major-k.de>

Hi Jim,

> I know for sure that null does not work with the filter command.

well, that's what I know now, too :-)

> I have posted code in the past for extracting data from sources that  
> you do
> not create and one of the steps I put in before any filter commands is
>
> replace null with empty in dataBlock
>
> Sorry it works that way.

And it's YOUR FAULT! :-D
Just kidding, already have a workaround for my situations.

> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From mickclns at mac.com  Thu Feb 14 13:26:19 2008
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:26:19 -0500
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <20080214180005.CB11D488EC4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080214180005.CB11D488EC4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7273CE01-D138-46BE-84BE-BC2C2491B670@mac.com>

Yep, except I am a bass violin player (unless you count the Ashbory  
which, in my book really isn't a bass guitar, although it does have  
some things in common).  I have played classical, now I play jazz,  
avante-garde, meditational (all the previous improv), and some fiddle  
music, but that I mostly play the fiddle parts (in Edgar Meyer  
wannabe style).   I do an acoustic version of Hendrix's Star Spangled  
Banner, using the bow and harmonics to emulate the feedback, etc.

> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:31:33 +0000
> From: Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net>
>
> Cool bass site! I believe Mark Wieder is also an earth shaker - any
> others here?
>
> Best,
>
> Mark



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 14 13:29:38 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:29:38 -0800
Subject: Paradigma 10th Anniversary Means Free Developer Packs
Message-ID: <47B48892.9070700@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Paradigma 10th Anniversary...

Congratulations on the 10th anniversary.  That's a good milestone.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Feb 14 13:33:38 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:33:38 -0800
Subject: Paradigma 10th Anniversary Means Free Developer Packs
In-Reply-To: <47B48892.9070700@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B48892.9070700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <02e701c86f38$1da3b9a0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> > Paradigma 10th Anniversary...
> 
> Congratulations on the 10th anniversary.  That's a good milestone.

Thanks Rich! Its hard to believe that its been that long - but it has. Lots
of good things coming too ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 14 13:39:22 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:39:22 -0800
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
Message-ID: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:

 >> Klaus Major
 >> http://www.major-k.de/bass
 >
 > Cool bass site! I believe Mark Wieder is also an earth shaker - any
 > others here?

I haven't been in a band since college.  These days, with music I'm more 
of an end-user (though I have a couple friends trying to coax me back 
into picking up my drum sticks).

But as an end-user, I've always loved the bass.  And the Chapman Stick. 
  I just picked up Tony Levin's latest solo album, Stick Man, from 
iTunes the other day, and while it's all Stick there's plenty there for 
bass fans to enjoy (and perhaps feel a touch of envy for the Stick's 
range, and the almost unbelievable things it can do in hands like Levin's).

Klaus:  no MP3s at your site?

I'd love to hear what you've been working on.


Okay, back to scripting for me (booting up iTunes for background 
motivation)....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Feb 14 13:50:56 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:50:56 +0100
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5534AEEB-E455-440B-96E1-76C975DA4C31@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Mark Smith wrote:
>
> >> Klaus Major
> >> http://www.major-k.de/bass
> >
> > Cool bass site! I believe Mark Wieder is also an earth shaker - any
> > others here?
>
> I haven't been in a band since college.  These days, with music I'm  
> more of an end-user (though I have a couple friends trying to coax  
> me back into picking up my drum sticks).

Hey, you're a drummer, cool! :-)

> But as an end-user, I've always loved the bass.  And the Chapman  
> Stick.  I just picked up Tony Levin's latest solo album, Stick Man,  
> from iTunes the other day, and while it's all Stick there's plenty  
> there for bass fans to enjoy (and perhaps feel a touch of envy for  
> the Stick's range, and the almost unbelievable things it can do in  
> hands like Levin's).

Oh yeah, Tony is a bass- (and stick-) player's dream!

> Klaus:  no MP3s at your site?
> I'd love to hear what you've been working on.

No sound yet, I hope that I find the time to record some sound- 
snippets in the next time.

> Okay, back to scripting for me (booting up iTunes for background  
> motivation)....
>
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Managing Editor, revJournal

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 14 13:53:26 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:53:26 -0600
Subject: Paradigma 10th Anniversary Means Free Developer Packs
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c86ee1$59749a50$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
References: <00ae01c86ee1$59749a50$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802141053uc2aef1cx7947e3ad560dc0d2@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Lynn, looks like a great free giveaway! I wish to add my
congratulations as well on your anniversary. best, Chipp


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Feb 14 14:04:32 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:04:32 -0800
Subject: Paradigma 10th Anniversary Means Free Developer Packs
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802141053uc2aef1cx7947e3ad560dc0d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00ae01c86ee1$59749a50$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<7aa52a210802141053uc2aef1cx7947e3ad560dc0d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <030001c86f3c$6ed123e0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> Wow Lynn, looks like a great free giveaway! I wish to add my 
> congratulations as well on your anniversary. best, Chipp 

Thanks Chipp!

I hope you'll join in on the community site as well. We have a number of
people coming over from our graphics side who are interested in graphics
integration, ie 3D -> 2D -> interactive REV.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From pierre.bernaert at mac.com  Thu Feb 14 14:08:01 2008
From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:08:01 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9p_=3A_Substack_command_don=27t_reach_main_sta?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ck_when_executed_as_Standalone-=22Corrected=22_Nearly_solv?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ed?=
Message-ID: <99C40FE6-C5EC-4D4C-AE12-F9676CF3E2CB@mac.com>

Hi mark and Eric +

I  Made some progress .

In the Window : "Stand Alone Application Settings ..."  'General'
I chose :    "Search for required inclusion when saving the  
standalone application"
					instead of Select inclusion s for the Standalone with "Ask  
DIalog", "Answer Dialog" and "cursors"  ON
	           I Kept "Remove all profiles on projects"

				No progress when testing .

I Kept the last 'General' Settings then

I then went to the tablet Stacks:

  My main Stack and all Substacks are there.

"Move Substacks into individual  Stack files was selected" I put it off.


Surprise, everything goes right  as far as substack command is  
concerned.
"my test and the use of all my sub-routines works fine"

	BUT  problem:

The update of none of my substacks doesn't work.

My Main Stack is the Splash Screen and each substack run a "save"  
within the "On CloseStack" handler.

Where can I find detailed informations about the Stand Alone Settings ?

Many thanks for helping

Pierre




From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Thu Feb 14 15:05:54 2008
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:05:54 EST
Subject: and or?
Message-ID: <d32.242f84cf.34e5f922@aol.com>

Hi Everyone

Is there a way to do an "and/or" in an if/then statement?
In other words can I get something like this statement to work

if len(fld 2) > 5 and or len(fld 4) > 5 then
   do something
end if     

Thanks for your continuing support. I don't know how I'd manage without this 
group sometimes.

Joe in Orlando


**************
The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at 
the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music.
      
(http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Thu Feb 14 15:11:10 2008
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:11:10 EST
Subject: and or? OOPS
Message-ID: <cf0.2a21c431.34e5fa5e@aol.com>


In a message dated 2/14/08 3:06:39 PM, LunchnMeets at aol.com writes:


> Hi Everyone
> 
> Is there a way to do an "and/or" in an if/then statement?
> In other words can I get something like this statement to work
> 
> if len(fld 2) > 5 and or len(fld 4) > 5 then
> ?? do something
> end if? ??
> 
> Thanks for your continuing support. I don't know how I'd manage without this
> group sometimes.
> 
> Joe in Orlando
> 

OK I realize that was a stupid question "or" alone covers it. Sometimes just 
writing it out clears my mind. Sorry for bothering the group!

Joe


**************
The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy 
Awards. Go to AOL Music.
      
(http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 14 16:24:20 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:24:20 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_R=E9p_=3A_Substack_command_don=27t_reach_ma?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?in_stack_when_executed_as_Standalone-=22Corrected=22_Nearl?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?y_solved?=
In-Reply-To: <99C40FE6-C5EC-4D4C-AE12-F9676CF3E2CB@mac.com>
References: <99C40FE6-C5EC-4D4C-AE12-F9676CF3E2CB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <137F371F-50C1-48E3-9499-3B40DE181A96@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Pierre,

Le 14 f?vr. 08 ? 20:08, Pierre a ?crit :

> Hi mark and Eric +
>
> I  Made some progress .
>
> In the Window : "Stand Alone Application Settings ..."  'General'
> I chose :    "Search for required inclusion when saving the  
> standalone application"
> 					instead of Select inclusion s for the Standalone with "Ask  
> DIalog", "Answer Dialog" and "cursors"  ON
> 	           I Kept "Remove all profiles on projects"
>
> 				No progress when testing .
>
> I Kept the last 'General' Settings then
>
> I then went to the tablet Stacks:
>
>  My main Stack and all Substacks are there.
>
> "Move Substacks into individual  Stack files was selected" I put it  
> off.
>
>
> Surprise, everything goes right  as far as substack command is  
> concerned.
> "my test and the use of all my sub-routines works fine"

Yes: All code in a main stack script is available for its sub-stacks  
but can't be available for separate stacks unless the main stack is  
in put in use.

> 	BUT  problem:
>
> The update of none of my substacks doesn't work.
>
> My Main Stack is the Splash Screen and each substack run a "save"  
> within the "On CloseStack" handler.

You can't save a standalone but separate stacks only.
So, in your case, letting apart that saving a stack in the user's  
environment is not recommended (except if it is a simple data stack  
without user interface), the way to go was said above: let stacks  
moved into individual files as they were so you can save them but put  
in use your main stack to get your code :-)

> Where can I find detailed informations about the Stand Alone  
> Settings ?
>
> Many thanks for helping
>
> Pierre


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 14 16:40:06 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:40:06 -0800
Subject: and or?
In-Reply-To: <d32.242f84cf.34e5f922@aol.com>
References: <d32.242f84cf.34e5f922@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c3da647a3f4a@[192.168.1.70]>

not sure what you mean by AND OR

you can multiple booleans in series


if (len(fld 2) > 5) OR (len(fld 4) > 5)  OR (len(fld 6) > 5)
then
    do something
end if

or

if (len(fld 2) > 5) AND (len(fld 4) > 5)  AND (len(fld 6) > 5)
then
    do something
end if

or


if (a>b) and a>c) OR (d>b) and d>c)
then
    do something
end if





>Hi Everyone
>
>Is there a way to do an "and/or" in an if/then statement?
>In other words can I get something like this statement to work
>
>if len(fld 2) > 5 and or len(fld 4) > 5 then
>    do something
>end if    
>
>Thanks for your continuing support. I don't know how I'd manage without this
>group sometimes.
>
>Joe in Orlando
>

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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 14 17:05:55 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:05:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Temporary custom properties
Message-ID: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey, does anyone have a suggestion about what is the best kind of
(non-visible) object to create on the fly for temporarily storing
custom properties?

In other words, I want to use custom properties like global variables,
but I want to put them in something that only exists during program
execution and that won't get saved with my project.

Or, should I be using something besides custom properties for keeping
global, transient values that the program only needs during execution?


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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 14 17:12:41 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:12:41 -0800
Subject: Temporary custom properties
In-Reply-To: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c3da6ccd32c3@[192.168.1.70]>

why would you not use a global variable? A big feature of custom 
properties is that they can persist from execution to execution. A 
global goes away after execution.


sqb

>Hey, does anyone have a suggestion about what is the best kind of
>(non-visible) object to create on the fly for temporarily storing
>custom properties?
>
>In other words, I want to use custom properties like global variables,
>but I want to put them in something that only exists during program
>execution and that won't get saved with my project.
>
>Or, should I be using something besides custom properties for keeping
>global, transient values that the program only needs during execution?
>

-- 


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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Thu Feb 14 17:20:39 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:20:39 -0800
Subject: Temporary custom properties
In-Reply-To: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D58A7A1C-ADD1-47A9-8E24-E2F544671F55@cruzio.com>

You could create a field, graphic, or button, you decide, on opening  
your stack and set its custom properties to whatever you want.  Then  
on closestack you could delete the object.

You could also set the cProperty1, cProperty2, cProperty3 of an  
existing objectX (whatever object you want... card, stack, button,  
etc) to myValues, and then on closing the stack set the  cProperty1,  
cProperty2, cProperty3 of objectX back to empty.

But out of curiosity, why not use globals?

Mark

On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Russell Martin wrote:

> Hey, does anyone have a suggestion about what is the best kind of
> (non-visible) object to create on the fly for temporarily storing
> custom properties?
>
> In other words, I want to use custom properties like global variables,
> but I want to put them in something that only exists during program
> execution and that won't get saved with my project.
>
> Or, should I be using something besides custom properties for keeping
> global, transient values that the program only needs during execution?
>
>
>       
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From katir at hindu.org  Thu Feb 14 17:25:47 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:25:47 -1000
Subject: RevMail Broken on OSX Leopard in 2.9?
Message-ID: <47B4BFEB.4050902@hindu.org>

it is just me or is this broken on the Mac?

 revMail "tEmail","","",""

?

It use to work, even in Thunderbird... now I get garbage in the "To" fields


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 14 17:34:35 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:34:35 -0800
Subject: Temporary custom properties
In-Reply-To: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C3DA01FB.4C16E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Well, there are several options that don't require any real effort.

Any object can store custom properties.
Any object can store these in property sets.


----- put this into a new stack, then double click
on mouseDoubleUp
  set the closet["shoebox1"] of this stack to  "good vibes"
  set the closet["shoebox2"] of this stack to  "better vibes"
  set the musicTrack["slideOne"] of this stack to  "Peaceful sounds.aif"
  set the videoTrack["slideOne"] of this stack to  "demo widget.mov"
  
  put the custompropertysets of this stack into listing
  put return & return after listing
  get the customproperties["closet"] of this stack
  combine it using cr and tab
  put it after listing
  put listing into msg


  set the custompropertysets of this stack to empty
  --      *poof they are gone*
end mouseDoubleUp
------------ end copy


set the property set "myTempData" of this stack to empty
"poof they are gone"
set the property set "myTempData" of card 1 of this stack to empty
"poof they are gone"
set the property set "myTempData" of card id 3422 of this stack to empty
"poof they are gone"

Globals have the advantage that they can be used by any stack that is open,
since globals are owned by Revolution.  They persist until Revolution quits
or you use the command 'delete global myTempData'

The ease of using the custom properites is that you can
set the customPropertiesSets of this stack to empty
and delete all the data in one line of code.

Hope this helps.  There is more than one way to design your variable
handling, all of which work, most of which involve keeping the data in RAM
when the stack is opened.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/14/08 2:05 PM, "Russell Martin" <russell_martin at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey, does anyone have a suggestion about what is the best kind of
> (non-visible) object to create on the fly for temporarily storing
> custom properties?
> 
> In other words, I want to use custom properties like global variables,
> but I want to put them in something that only exists during program
> execution and that won't get saved with my project.
> 
> Or, should I be using something besides custom properties for keeping
> global, transient values that the program only needs during execution?




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 18:00:53 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:00:53 +1000
Subject: RevMail Broken on OSX Leopard in 2.9?
In-Reply-To: <47B4BFEB.4050902@hindu.org>
References: <47B4BFEB.4050902@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802141500q797a5e6fwea59ef45a46c3f74@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> it is just me or is this broken on the Mac?
>
>   revMail "tEmail","","",""

Works fine here: Mac OS X 10.5.2, Rev 2.9.0-dp-3, Apple Mail 3.2.
Sorry, I don't have Thunderbird installed to test.

However you have quoted "tEmail" where it looks more like a variable
name. You are actually going to get the text tEmail in the To field of
your email, not whatever is in the tEmail variable.

Cheers,
Sarah


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 14 18:02:38 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:02:38 -0600
Subject: Temporary custom properties
In-Reply-To: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <594474.69824.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802141502t5cf40917wb99dc7b0245ad673@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Russell,

I typically use local var arrays to do what you're trying to do. You
can also set them if you like from elsewhere. For instance, say you
have a card with a local variable "lFred"

so your card script looks like this:

local lFred

on doThis
  put "hello" into lFred"
end doThis

on doThat
  put lFred into me
  --> PUTS FRED INTO THIS FIELD IF doThis HAS BEEN CALLED
end doThat

So, if you want to set the lFred variable from a button on the card
(treating it like it is a global) then put in the button script:

on mouseUp
  put "jack ran up the hill" into tData
  setFred tData
end mouseUp

and in the card script you add:

on setlFred pData
  do ("put pData into " & pLocalName)
  --> THIS SETS THE LOCAL VAR lFred TO pData
end setLocal

And if you want to retrieve the local, put this in the card script:

function getFred
  return lFred
end getFred

and your script to retrieve the local is now:

on mouseUp
  put getFred() into tData
end mouseUp

This has the advantage of not having to worry about global namespace
collisions, or where you've placed globals all over your stack, and
how to replace them. Also, if you need to edit the "global" bizlogic,
you can do it in one place.

I don't think it's always clear to users how locals can act like globals.

HTH,
Chipp


From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu Feb 14 17:14:02 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:14:02 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <47AF788D.5090703@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C3DA275A.4C3B%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/10/08 5:19 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
grows. I wanted to use PostgreSQL but I don?t find any body with it for a
decent price
>> 
>> Bernard
>> 
>> 
>>   
And with shell I'm very unfamiliar
> Have fun...
> 
> and a bit of history:
> 
> FWIW: There were discussions a year or two ago about how robust this
> solution could be without a "persistent Revolution process" someone
> replied that he had been using Rev CGI where a new instance was called
> each time. he said it scaled up to the millions of hits. No problems.
> 
> Meanwhile other CGI's are doing more robust stuff like processing Credit
> card transactions and handling form submissions.... no problem... Now I
> can't vouch for more than 30-50 instances a second... what would happen,
> but we are in that range right now, Apache and the CPUs hardly blink...
> and see no slow down whatsoever. I'm no expert but I think a persistent
> Rev process will "die" on the first hard script error... so there are
> advantages to just letting Apache load rev on every single call...watch
> out for zombies ... if you don't close the cgi properly you can get hung

What do you mean by closing and how do you do it?

> Rev CGI processes, but, because these are separate instances of Rev...
> they don't terminate your web site... just slow it down as each zombie
> starts eating the CPU speeds..

Thanks, Hershel



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 14 18:17:26 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:17:26 -0800
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3DA275A.4C3B%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3DA275A.4C3B%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <p06240804c3da7bd3b84c@[192.168.1.70]>

How about Valentina? There was a free offer on this list recently:

http://miryesoftware.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1985969%3ATopic%3A174

>On 2/10/08 5:19 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>
>>  Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>>  I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
>SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
>big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
>grows. I wanted to use PostgreSQL but I don't find any body with it for a
>decent price
>>>
>  >> Bernard

-- 


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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu Feb 14 19:23:06 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:23:06 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c3da7bd3b84c@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <C3DA459A.4C44%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/14/08 6:17 PM, "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
wrote:

> How about Valentina? There was a free offer on this list recently:

Before I don?t how to use the db lib. I'll use any thing or rather don't use
anything.
Hershel
> 
> http://miryesoftware.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1985969%3ATopic%3A174
> 
>> On 2/10/08 5:19 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>  Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>>>  I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
>> SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
>> big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
>> grows. I wanted to use PostgreSQL but I don't find any body with it for a
>> decent price
>>>> 
>>>> Bernard



From pierre.bernaert at mac.com  Thu Feb 14 19:57:59 2008
From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:57:59 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9p_=3A_Substack_command_don=27t_reach_main_sta?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ck_when_executed_as_Standalone-=22Corrected=22__Resolved?=
In-Reply-To: <137F371F-50C1-48E3-9499-3B40DE181A96@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <99C40FE6-C5EC-4D4C-AE12-F9676CF3E2CB@mac.com>
	<137F371F-50C1-48E3-9499-3B40DE181A96@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <37489234-C5FD-45A2-BEC7-36285938C764@mac.com>

Hi Mark and Eric

Many thanks to to you for  helping

It works perfectly as expected

Best regards



Pierre


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb 14 20:29:02 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:29:02 -0200
Subject: Is RevXML working in Linux!?
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802141729l612049a1he5fca8e78025b6c0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

I have 2.9.0-dp-3 running as a CGI engine on Linux, I'd like to know
if I can use RevXML commands in it. RevCreateXMLTree is returning an
error. Must I load the external by hand? Isn't it inside the engine
these days?

any help is greatly appreciated and will be rewared with beer and
chocolates during RunRev Live...

Om shanti
andre


-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 14 20:36:04 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:36:04 -0600
Subject: Is RevXML working in Linux!?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802141729l612049a1he5fca8e78025b6c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10802141729l612049a1he5fca8e78025b6c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802141736k54f3d076l50802996a28d3372@mail.gmail.com>

Beer and Chocolate? OK, I've got a fix...use Ken's XML library!

Do I get to chose the brand of beer and flavor of chocolate?

-C


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb 14 20:38:18 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:38:18 -0200
Subject: Is RevXML working in Linux!?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802141736k54f3d076l50802996a28d3372@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10802141729l612049a1he5fca8e78025b6c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802141736k54f3d076l50802996a28d3372@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802141738j15b6571fi1d6e5e9b291a27f2@mail.gmail.com>

Chipp,

you can always choose! Name it and in may we'll go for some beer and
chocolates! :D

I have Kens Library here and actually I have it there already, I just
wanted to know if I could trust the externals... by the way, I've
built a little photo manipulation app where all the UI is done with
Interface Designer and Button Gadget... and it looks GREAT! :D

Andre


On 2/14/08, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> Beer and Chocolate? OK, I've got a fix...use Ken's XML library!
>
>  Do I get to chose the brand of beer and flavor of chocolate?
>
>  -C
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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 00:41:56 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:41:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Temporary custom properties
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c3da6ccd32c3@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <659290.39438.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You're right. I just got too focused in on custom properties. Wasn't
thinking. I now realize that I can use a global array in almost exactly
the same way I was using custom properties. Thanks.

--- Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> why would you not use a global variable? A big feature of custom 
> properties is that they can persist from execution to execution. A 
> global goes away after execution.
> 
> 
> sqb
> 
> >Hey, does anyone have a suggestion about what is the best kind of
> >(non-visible) object to create on the fly for temporarily storing
> >custom properties?
> >
> >In other words, I want to use custom properties like global
> variables,
> >but I want to put them in something that only exists during program
> >execution and that won't get saved with my project.
> >
> >Or, should I be using something besides custom properties for
> keeping
> >global, transient values that the program only needs during
> execution?
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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> 
> 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 00:43:11 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:43:11 +0900
Subject: Rev cgi MySQL = invalid database type
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802142143y3da348e3k2fd3aacc0cc76287@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List,

My Rev-cgi scripts are working (hurray), and so am now
learning how to make a cgi-script that can connect to
a MySQL database, both of which are on the same
web-server (Linux Rev 2.6.1, on Dreamhost).

But, using a revOpenDatabase command, all I'm getting
is "invalid database type"!

By way of solution this is what I've tried, as based on my
(faulty?) understanding of the various suggestions stored
in the archives:

-- SQL driver or drivers are required.   BUT, does this
mean libmySQL.dll or dbmysql.so -- or both! For
now, I've uploaded both;

-- beware driver paths!   Unsure about how to set paths
with "revSetDatabaseDriverPath", I ftp'd the drivers into
the same directory I ftp'd the Rev engine;

-- beware CHMOD!!   Yup, I've triple-checked that engine,
drivers and scripts are all 755;

-- the spelling *and* case of driver name(s) ought to
match the spelling *and* case used in database-related
Rev commands.    So, I made sure of the consistency of
the chars "mysql" (in the script and the drivers' names).


But, as I say, no go.

Anything else I could be overlooking or double-checking
or modifying or...

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Feb 15 01:33:52 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:33:52 -0800
Subject: revBrowser and htmltext of web pages
Message-ID: <47B53250.4060000@pdslabs.net>

I'm looking at a web page in revBrowser (XP in Parallels) that contains
all the info I want to capture. When my script does this:
   put revBrowserGet(tId,"htmltext")

All I get in the message box is this:
<HTML><HEAD></HEAD>
<BODY></BODY></HTML>

I'm guessing it's because the page uses JavaScript heavily. But of
course it renders perfectly in revBrowser, so it seems like I should be
able to grab it. When I look at the same page with a non-Rev web
browser, I can see the page source and all the data I wanted is there.

Can revBrowser give me the same results as a regular web browser? Am I
just missing something?

Thanks -
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Feb 15 02:36:44 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:36:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: App over PDA with windows mobile or other
Message-ID: <15496039.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

It's posible to run applications created with Revolution in a Windows Mobile
PDA? 
If is posible I need a windows license for Rev or can I do it from my Mac
license?

I need create a little app that collect orders to send via ftp.

Any hint?

Cheers,
Josep M
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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 02:53:32 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:53:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (Rev 2.8.1) resume and defaultstack
Message-ID: <233062.94831.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

When using an answer dialog from within a resume handler, the
defaultstack becomes "answer dialog", yet, when using an answer dialog
in other handlers, the defaultstack does NOT become "answer dialog".

I've tested this in both OS X and Windows XP and it does it in both.

Is this a bug?

I've attempted to attache a file demonstrating this. Must build as
standalone first (I can't get "on resume" to fire from within the IDE-
is there a way?)

If the attachment doesn't come through, or you don't want to download
it, here's how to recreate this:
Create a new main stack.

Place a scrolling field on it and name it "ResultsField"

Name the card "TheCard"

Name the stack "Untitled 2"

Place a button on the stack.

Inside the mouseUp handler for the button, place the following code:
put "the defaultstack is: " & the defaultstack & cr into field
"ResultsField" of card "TheCard" of stack "Untitled 2"
  answer "Yes or no?" with "Yes" or "No"
  put "it was: " & it & cr after field "ResultsField" of card "TheCard"
of stack "Untitled 2"
  put "the defaultstack is: " & the defaultstack & cr after field
"ResultsField" of card "TheCard" of stack "Untitled 2"
  answer "Up or down?" with "Up" or "Down"
  put "it was: " & it & cr after field "ResultsField" of card "TheCard"
of stack "Untitled 2"
  put "the defaultstack is: " & the defaultstack & cr after field
"ResultsField" of card "TheCard" of stack "Untitled 2"

In the stack script, create and "on resume" handler and place the exact
same code as you did in the button's "on mouseUp" handler.

Build a stand alone.

Run the stand alone.

When you click on the button, and answer the dialogs, the ResultsField
will show the default stack as being "Untitled 2" every time.

However, when you switch to another app and then switch back to
Untitled 2, the defaultstack will be "answer dialog" every time.



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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri Feb 15 03:43:16 2008
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:43:16 +0100
Subject: Rev & php script question
Message-ID: <47B550A3.C1DECB35@club-internet.fr>

Hi there,

I'm using "post myvar to url "xxxx" in a stack to access data stored in
mysql
via a php script. The php script ends with "echo $myvar;" and the
strange thing
is that it returns 2 empty lines before the value of $myvar ONLY when I
access
mysql in the script... when I post a similar content to a php script
that doesn't
connect to mysql, the value returned is "clean" (no empty lines).
I've tested the script on 2 different servers running 2 different
versions of Linux,
Apache, php and mysql.

is there a way to bypass this problem ? may be by changing settings of
the http header
in the php script ?

Thanks in advance,
JB



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri Feb 15 03:41:03 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:41:03 +0200
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3DA275A.4C3B%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <C3DB1CBF.8E37F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 15/2/08 12:14 AM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:

>> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
> SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
> big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
> grows. 
> Thanks, Hershel

Hi Hershel,

I believe above statement is FALSE.         :-)

SqlLite  NEVER is faster of mySQL.
    may be only for TINY dbs.


This is odd for me to be advocate of mySQL, :-)
    but of course this is not true.

SqlLite is TINY engine, which uses SIMPLEST algorithms.
    mySQL is 100-500 times bigger by size DBMS.

MySQL have incredible more powerful SQL, and only this means that you can
get huge benefits when you work with remote server.

If talk about slow down with grow of db size, then excuse me,
    I self did benches. And be sure I can do them correctly :-)

SqlLite start to be unacceptably slow even on tables with 10 or 100K
records. Some not hardest queries take 30 seconds or even minutes.

I think you was foolished by feature of SqlLite "Instant Result". This means
that e.g. RESULT of search on table with million records is 100K records,
SqlLite finds the first and says that it have finish,

But this works only for single user engine. This trick cannot be used for
multi-user DBMS, which must find all 100K records, put them under RESULT for
user1, and setup record locks.

I want again repeat one point for SqlLite fans. If db world was so simple
that SqlLite engine in 300K beats mySQL then ask self why mySQL/Oracle/MS
SQL/Sybase/DB2/Ingres/ Valentina developers bother self developing soooo
complex DB systems???!!!  May be tasks are not so simple when you start move
more deeply...


-----------
Of course mySQL also is not best speed daemon :-)

For example, my own ISP provider have billin system that use mySQL, on db
with 2-3 Gb, mySQL starts to think minutes, so browsers just get timeouts
and people cannot see results

Or For example, on developer year ago have switch from mySQL to Valentina,
and his 5 minutes query under mySQL not get 1 sec or even 0.1 sec.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 15 03:41:34 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:41:34 +0100
Subject: (Rev 2.8.1) resume and defaultstack
In-Reply-To: <233062.94831.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <233062.94831.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2EDA322B-B8D6-47D3-BB11-562D1B21F07C@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Russell,

This problem might be related to the following bug: <http:// 
quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3412>.

If you apply the patch described in the bug, be aware that you might  
get trapped in a repeat loop. You might need to check the lockmessages.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 15-feb-2008, om 8:53 heeft Russell Martin het volgende geschreven:

> When using an answer dialog from within a resume handler, the
> defaultstack becomes "answer dialog", yet, when using an answer dialog
> in other handlers, the defaultstack does NOT become "answer dialog".
>
> I've tested this in both OS X and Windows XP and it does it in both.
>
> Is this a bug?
>
> I've attempted to attache a file demonstrating this. Must build as
> standalone first (I can't get "on resume" to fire from within the IDE-
> is there a way?)
>
> If the attachment doesn't come through, or you don't want to download
> it, here's how to recreate this:
> Create a new main stack.
>
> Place a scrolling field on it and name it "ResultsField"
>
> Name the card "TheCard"
>
> Name the stack "Untitled 2"
>
> Place a button on the stack.
>
> Inside the mouseUp handler for the button, place the following code:
> put "the defaultstack is: " & the defaultstack & cr into field
> "ResultsField" of card "TheCard" of stack "Untitled 2"
>   answer "Yes or no?" with "Yes" or "No"
>   put "it was: " & it & cr after field "ResultsField" of card  
> "TheCard"
> of stack "Untitled 2"
>   put "the defaultstack is: " & the defaultstack & cr after field
> "ResultsField" of card "TheCard" of stack "Untitled 2"
>   answer "Up or down?" with "Up" or "Down"
>   put "it was: " & it & cr after field "ResultsField" of card  
> "TheCard"
> of stack "Untitled 2"
>   put "the defaultstack is: " & the defaultstack & cr after field
> "ResultsField" of card "TheCard" of stack "Untitled 2"
>
> In the stack script, create and "on resume" handler and place the  
> exact
> same code as you did in the button's "on mouseUp" handler.
>
> Build a stand alone.
>
> Run the stand alone.
>
> When you click on the button, and answer the dialogs, the ResultsField
> will show the default stack as being "Untitled 2" every time.
>
> However, when you switch to another app and then switch back to
> Untitled 2, the defaultstack will be "answer dialog" every time.
>
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 15 06:41:52 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:52 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <47B4426B.4020400@ekoinf.net>
References: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com> <47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>
	<F69CA4C2-D745-4537-9AC0-48FF542C3064@looktowindward.com>
	<47B4426B.4020400@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <95A12CCA-D881-4E78-B84B-C89A0DB7DFB7@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

The problem with my Application is that whole Tables can be renamed  
or deleted. Just tried running two apps at the same time accessing  
one database and it instantly crashed and the database is in pieces!

All the Best
Dave

On 14 Feb 2008, at 13:30, viktoras didziulis wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> in one of my applications I use shell to communicate with sqlite  
> for data .import and revolution's sqlite to query and modify the  
> same database. It was never corrupted... Maybe just  
> because .importing and modification are sequential and do not  
> attempt to modify the same database in the same time.
>
> I am frequently using an instance of commandline sqlite  and an  
> instance of sqlitespy for some database tests - it possibly can  
> corrupt the database, but so far this has never happened.
>
> Accessing the same sqlite database should not make any big troubles  
> unless both sqlite instances modify the database simultaneously. In  
> this case you may try implementing some sort of locking mechanism.  
> But then the solution with file would be simpler.
>
> I did a test with a very very simple sqlite app - it did not  
> corrupt the database even if many instances of it were running...  
> So you can read, insert or delete a record in a table with one  
> instance and read it with another and vice versa... But I guess  
> there are scenarios when the database can get corrupt.
>
> The zipped folder with both the compiled app (for Windows) and the  
> source can be downloaded from:
> http://ekoinf.net/soft/SQLiteTest.zip
>
> Best wishes
> Viktoras
>
> Dave wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since they are two standalone applications they will have  
>> different engine's and different SQLite libraries, so I don't  
>> think you could access the same database with it getting  
>> corrupted. If you know a way do this this I'd be VERY interested.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 13 Feb 2008, at 19:08, viktoras didziulis wrote:
>>
>>> What about the 2 applications connecting to the same sqlite  
>>> database - one updates the db, the other checks whether and how  
>>> it was updated?..
>>>
>>> Viktoras
>>>
>>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>> I have an application that periodically creates or updates an  
>>>>> SQLite  database (actually there are lots of databases  
>>>>> (separate SQLite  files), but only one is worked on at a time)  
>>>>> and then sends the  results to the server. This process can  
>>>>> take upwards of 15 minutes to  complete. In the meantime I want  
>>>>> to be able to still use the  application to do other things  
>>>>> (such as create playlists in iTunes).
>>>>
>>>> I'd use sockets, or polling for a file.  While polling a file's  
>>>> content can eat some cycles, polling for the existence of a file  
>>>> is pretty darn fast.  Given the scenario you describe, where  
>>>> you're not really expecting a result for several minutes, you  
>>>> could probably get away with polling for a file every few  
>>>> seconds.  Cheap, simple, reasonably efficient.
>>>>
>>>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 15 06:53:39 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:53:39 +0000
Subject: hostNameToAddress not working???
Message-ID: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I have the following function:

------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  Get the LAN IP Address of this Machine
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
function IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
   local myHostIPAddress

   put hostNameToAddress(the hostName) into myHostIPAddress
   return myHostIPAddress
end IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN


This used to work fine and return the local LAN address of the  
machine the Script is running on, I just tried it and now it just  
returns empty.

I originally cribbed this from Richmond's "Get IP Address" stack. I  
download this again from rev online and it too fails. From this stack:

on mouseUp
   put "Public IP =" && url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi"  
into line 1 of fld "F1"
   put "Local IP =" && hostnametoaddress ("localhost") into line 2 of  
fld "F1"
   put "LAN IP =" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)  into line 3 of  
fld "F1"
end mouseUp

When I run this I get "empty" as the LAN Address. The other two IP  
address fields are filled in ok.

Could anyone shed any light on why this has stopped working and how I  
can obtain the LAN IP address?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Feb 15 07:21:36 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:21:36 +0200
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <95A12CCA-D881-4E78-B84B-C89A0DB7DFB7@looktowindward.com>
References: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com>
	<47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>	<F69CA4C2-D745-4537-9AC0-48FF542C3064@looktowindward.com>	<47B4426B.4020400@ekoinf.net>
	<95A12CCA-D881-4E78-B84B-C89A0DB7DFB7@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47B583D0.9030702@ekoinf.net>

Hi,

I wonder whether it is because the instances change the schema of the 
database or because they do it simultaneously ? Maybe if you implement a 
simple locking mechanism it would work ?.. The simplest way, which I 
never tried in Rev, but many times in Perl when programming multiuser 
shared flat file based solutions is using a semaphore file.

When an instance of app needs to write data to a shared flat file it:
1) checks if semaphore file (an empty file with known name, e.g anything 
like "busy.sem", "busy") is present
2) if it is present it waits and returns to 1) in a few milliseconds 
otherwise it
3) creates the semaphore file and writes data into the shared file
4) then deletes the semaphore

All the best!
Viktoras

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The problem with my Application is that whole Tables can be renamed or 
> deleted. Just tried running two apps at the same time accessing one 
> database and it instantly crashed and the database is in pieces!
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 14 Feb 2008, at 13:30, viktoras didziulis wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> in one of my applications I use shell to communicate with sqlite for 
>> data .import and revolution's sqlite to query and modify the same 
>> database. It was never corrupted... Maybe just because .importing and 
>> modification are sequential and do not attempt to modify the same 
>> database in the same time.
>>
>> I am frequently using an instance of commandline sqlite  and an 
>> instance of sqlitespy for some database tests - it possibly can 
>> corrupt the database, but so far this has never happened.
>>
>> Accessing the same sqlite database should not make any big troubles 
>> unless both sqlite instances modify the database simultaneously. In 
>> this case you may try implementing some sort of locking mechanism. 
>> But then the solution with file would be simpler.
>>
>> I did a test with a very very simple sqlite app - it did not corrupt 
>> the database even if many instances of it were running... So you can 
>> read, insert or delete a record in a table with one instance and read 
>> it with another and vice versa... But I guess there are scenarios 
>> when the database can get corrupt.
>>
>> The zipped folder with both the compiled app (for Windows) and the 
>> source can be downloaded from:
>> http://ekoinf.net/soft/SQLiteTest.zip
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Viktoras



From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 07:47:42 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:47:42 +0100
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello all,

I am about to plan my next project. It will be a Win & Mac database driven
app from DVD-ROM with about 17000 small video clips (each 1-4 sec).

Now I have to decide very early which video format I am going to use,
because I start with the video production. As I know up to now, the only
native video format you can use in Rev is quicktime. On the other hand I
have read that you could also play flash videos (even flv) with the
altBrowser and jeroens media player. Both ways have advantages and
disadvantages.

One of the musts is, that I can step frame by frame - forward and backward -
through the video (beside standard play, stop, pause), controlled by my own
rev buttons.

If I would use quicktime:

Pro: I probably would have the fewest troubles in implementing, because I
can stay completely in rev.

Con: Windows users have to install quicktime, what some windows users really
don't like and some of my customers are perhaps not online, while
installation.

If I would use the browser and jeroens solution with flash:

Pro: I don't have to install anything on the enduser machine (nearly 95%
have flash installed)

Con: I had to implement some code in javascript, what I am not used in and I
would have to build my own controls and communications from rev to the
mediaplayer in the browser ( what I don't know yet if and how to do)

Main Con: As I have read on jeromes site, I can't realize a step frame by
frame function with flash videos, though I think I have seen such an app
once.

Has anybody heard, if flash will be implemented in rev once?

 

I would appreciate your experiences and thoughts about these points

Tiemo

 

 

 



From downs.david.j at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 07:55:38 2008
From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (J. Downs)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:55:38 -0600
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <7273CE01-D138-46BE-84BE-BC2C2491B670@mac.com>
References: <20080214180005.CB11D488EC4@mail.runrev.com>
	<7273CE01-D138-46BE-84BE-BC2C2491B670@mac.com>
Message-ID: <12AA09A4-1510-4576-BFCB-CBCE5E940F67@gmail.com>

> Cool bass site! I believe Mark Wieder is also an earth shaker - any
> others here?
>>

Did both my undergrad and master's in music, so I was playing quite a  
variety of instruments.  Played upright bass for a bit: poorly.  :P   
Spent more time with the electric bass?some jazz, mostly rock?but  
haven't had the time to continue for the last decade.  It's still in  
a closet somewhere.  I really should start again.  Good for the soul.

J.



From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 15 07:57:28 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:57:28 +0000
Subject: Inter-Application Communication on Windows
In-Reply-To: <47B583D0.9030702@ekoinf.net>
References: <47B32BDD.5090105@fourthworld.com>
	<47B3402A.1070304@ekoinf.net>	<F69CA4C2-D745-4537-9AC0-48FF542C3064@looktowindward.com>	<47B4426B.4020400@ekoinf.net>
	<95A12CCA-D881-4E78-B84B-C89A0DB7DFB7@looktowindward.com>
	<47B583D0.9030702@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <2D139120-9CE9-44DD-B4BF-EB30331C3C30@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I think it's easier to use TCP to communicate rather than try to hack  
something to together that wasn't really designed for the job. The  
problem is that I'd have to lock the database for very long periods  
(10 to 15 minutes or more), and so I'd lose whatever gain was to be  
had by splitting the apps. In fact I may as well just implement it as  
a single app which is what I have now!

All the Best
Dave

On 15 Feb 2008, at 12:21, viktoras didziulis wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I wonder whether it is because the instances change the schema of  
> the database or because they do it simultaneously ? Maybe if you  
> implement a simple locking mechanism it would work ?.. The simplest  
> way, which I never tried in Rev, but many times in Perl when  
> programming multiuser shared flat file based solutions is using a  
> semaphore file.
>
> When an instance of app needs to write data to a shared flat file it:
> 1) checks if semaphore file (an empty file with known name, e.g  
> anything like "busy.sem", "busy") is present
> 2) if it is present it waits and returns to 1) in a few  
> milliseconds otherwise it
> 3) creates the semaphore file and writes data into the shared file
> 4) then deletes the semaphore
>
> All the best!
> Viktoras
>
> Dave wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The problem with my Application is that whole Tables can be  
>> renamed or deleted. Just tried running two apps at the same time  
>> accessing one database and it instantly crashed and the database  
>> is in pieces!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2008, at 13:30, viktoras didziulis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> in one of my applications I use shell to communicate with sqlite  
>>> for data .import and revolution's sqlite to query and modify the  
>>> same database. It was never corrupted... Maybe just  
>>> because .importing and modification are sequential and do not  
>>> attempt to modify the same database in the same time.
>>>
>>> I am frequently using an instance of commandline sqlite  and an  
>>> instance of sqlitespy for some database tests - it possibly can  
>>> corrupt the database, but so far this has never happened.
>>>
>>> Accessing the same sqlite database should not make any big  
>>> troubles unless both sqlite instances modify the database  
>>> simultaneously. In this case you may try implementing some sort  
>>> of locking mechanism. But then the solution with file would be  
>>> simpler.
>>>
>>> I did a test with a very very simple sqlite app - it did not  
>>> corrupt the database even if many instances of it were running...  
>>> So you can read, insert or delete a record in a table with one  
>>> instance and read it with another and vice versa... But I guess  
>>> there are scenarios when the database can get corrupt.
>>>
>>> The zipped folder with both the compiled app (for Windows) and  
>>> the source can be downloaded from:
>>> http://ekoinf.net/soft/SQLiteTest.zip
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Viktoras
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Feb 15 08:01:12 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:01:12 +0000
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <872064C4-D48D-4E7D-A5DE-FAFC9E6538A6@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

If the movies are short, what about re-implementing them as animated  
gif files?
They will play in any browser. Not sure how to step though them though,
although each frame can have it's own unique filename.

There's a free converter here: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/235
And last I looked GraphicConverter could do the conversion too.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 15 Feb 2008, at 12:47, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am about to plan my next project. It will be a Win & Mac database  
> driven
> app from DVD-ROM with about 17000 small video clips (each 1-4 sec).
>
> Now I have to decide very early which video format I am going to use,
> because I start with the video production. As I know up to now, the  
> only
> native video format you can use in Rev is quicktime. On the other  
> hand I
> have read that you could also play flash videos (even flv) with the
> altBrowser and jeroens media player. Both ways have advantages and
> disadvantages.
>
> One of the musts is, that I can step frame by frame - forward and  
> backward -
> through the video (beside standard play, stop, pause), controlled  
> by my own
> rev buttons.
>
> If I would use quicktime:
>
> Pro: I probably would have the fewest troubles in implementing,  
> because I
> can stay completely in rev.
>
> Con: Windows users have to install quicktime, what some windows  
> users really
> don't like and some of my customers are perhaps not online, while
> installation.
>
> If I would use the browser and jeroens solution with flash:
>
> Pro: I don't have to install anything on the enduser machine  
> (nearly 95%
> have flash installed)
>
> Con: I had to implement some code in javascript, what I am not used  
> in and I
> would have to build my own controls and communications from rev to the
> mediaplayer in the browser ( what I don't know yet if and how to do)
>
> Main Con: As I have read on jeromes site, I can't realize a step  
> frame by
> frame function with flash videos, though I think I have seen such  
> an app
> once.
>
> Has anybody heard, if flash will be implemented in rev once?
>
>
>
> I would appreciate your experiences and thoughts about these points
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 15 08:09:04 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:09:04 +0100
Subject: hostNameToAddress not working???
In-Reply-To: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
References: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <1D0ECC98-522B-4ED6-9A51-3A031C0D0B4C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Dave,

The hostaddresstoname and hostnametoaddress function work fine. My  
tiny cgi script on Memebot works fine too.

I bet your machine is connected to a local network using a router. It  
is also possible that you have additional gateways defined on your  
local machine, e.g. to facilitate Parallels.

If an IP number or address doesn't exist or is invalid, e.g. because  
it is of the form "Machine.local", the hostaddresstoname and  
hostnametoaddress functions may return empty. This is normal.

Perhaps, you are looking for:

put hostaddresstoname(url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi")

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 15-feb-2008, om 12:53 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:

> Hi All,
>
> I have the following function:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> --  Get the LAN IP Address of this Machine
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> function IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>   local myHostIPAddress
>
>   put hostNameToAddress(the hostName) into myHostIPAddress
>   return myHostIPAddress
> end IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>
>
> This used to work fine and return the local LAN address of the  
> machine the Script is running on, I just tried it and now it just  
> returns empty.
>
> I originally cribbed this from Richmond's "Get IP Address" stack. I  
> download this again from rev online and it too fails. From this stack:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "Public IP =" && url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ 
> ip.cgi" into line 1 of fld "F1"
>   put "Local IP =" && hostnametoaddress ("localhost") into line 2  
> of fld "F1"
>   put "LAN IP =" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)  into line 3 of  
> fld "F1"
> end mouseUp
>
> When I run this I get "empty" as the LAN Address. The other two IP  
> address fields are filled in ok.
>
> Could anyone shed any light on why this has stopped working and how  
> I can obtain the LAN IP address?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 08:11:04 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:11:04 +0100
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <872064C4-D48D-4E7D-A5DE-FAFC9E6538A6@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c86fd4$38d82b60$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hmm, didn't thought about that yet. I have never compared quality and size
against a video, but giving each frame a unique filename sounds to quite
some work
Thanks for the hint
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 14:01
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> If the movies are short, what about re-implementing them as animated
> gif files?
> They will play in any browser. Not sure how to step though them though,
> although each frame can have it's own unique filename.
> 
> There's a free converter here: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/235
> And last I looked GraphicConverter could do the conversion too.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Fri Feb 15 08:16:47 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:16:47 -0600
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <12AA09A4-1510-4576-BFCB-CBCE5E940F67@gmail.com>
References: <20080214180005.CB11D488EC4@mail.runrev.com>	<7273CE01-D138-46BE-84BE-BC2C2491B670@mac.com>
	<12AA09A4-1510-4576-BFCB-CBCE5E940F67@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47B590BF.20306@crcom.net>



J. Downs wrote:
>> Cool bass site! I believe Mark Wieder is also an earth shaker - any
>> others here?
>>>
>
Well I built a recording studio.  Let's see...we've got a bass or two, a 
drummer...  any guitarist and/or keyboard players?  Maybe we can create 
a virutal "gig" using Rev?

len morgan


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 15 08:18:55 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:18:55 +0100
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <000001c86fd4$38d82b60$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000001c86fd4$38d82b60$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <E10B3DC6-854E-491E-8677-ADCE1BFD399E@major-k.de>

Hi Tiemo,

> Hmm, didn't thought about that yet. I have never compared quality  
> and size
> against a video, but giving each frame a unique filename sounds to  
> quite
> some work

No need to use separate files for the frames!
You can even control frames of animated gifs in Rev!
Check "framecount", "currentframe" and "repeatcount" in the docs.

> Thanks for the hint
> Tiemo

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 08:19:04 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:19:04 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <6546BF63-F2A7-43C0-BA9F-7B9A4B3FB9F1@rcn.com>

You could make them as H264 based movies (with AAC sound), either .MOV  
or .MP4. Both would play fine via QuickTime, and both can play in the  
current Flash player. You could build it now as QuickTime only, and  
then change your mind later if you were still worried about people  
installing QuickTime.

You know that all people who use iPhones or iPods with their PCs do  
have QuickTime installed? Even those with just iTunes do, so the  
number of people with QuickTime  installed is higher than you might  
think. Also, you can include the QuickTime installer on your DVD-ROM.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 08:34:57 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:34:57 +0100
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <6546BF63-F2A7-43C0-BA9F-7B9A4B3FB9F1@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000101c86fd7$8ecadb50$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Colin,
interesting aspect, I have to check, if my encoder supports H264 and how
about size/quality. The only thing I have read about H264 is that it takes
much processor power and could get into troubles on old machines. Up to now
I wanted to use Sorenson Video3 Pro codec.
Yes I thought about putting the installer on DVD-ROM, thought apple doesn't
like it...
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Colin Holgate
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 14:19
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> You could make them as H264 based movies (with AAC sound), either .MOV
> or .MP4. Both would play fine via QuickTime, and both can play in the
> current Flash player. You could build it now as QuickTime only, and
> then change your mind later if you were still worried about people
> installing QuickTime.
> 
> You know that all people who use iPhones or iPods with their PCs do
> have QuickTime installed? Even those with just iTunes do, so the
> number of people with QuickTime  installed is higher than you might
> think. Also, you can include the QuickTime installer on your DVD-ROM.
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb 15 08:38:37 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:38:37 -0200
Subject: App over PDA with windows mobile or other
In-Reply-To: <15496039.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15496039.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802150538x4106167fgbc523f4c87e1b160@mail.gmail.com>

Josep,

Err... no, you can't but there's a way. You can create a web
application if your pda is connected all time, then, you can use a web
application.

Andre

On 2/15/08, Josep <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
>  It's posible to run applications created with Revolution in a Windows Mobile
>  PDA?
>  If is posible I need a windows license for Rev or can I do it from my Mac
>  license?
>
>  I need create a little app that collect orders to send via ftp.
>
>  Any hint?
>
>  Cheers,
>  Josep M
>  --
>  View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/App-over-PDA-with-windows-mobile-or-other-tp15496039p15496039.html
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>
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 08:40:48 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:40:48 -0500
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <000101c86fd7$8ecadb50$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000101c86fd7$8ecadb50$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <0C27FC6F-BA9D-420D-8ED4-E73D0CC8B3A1@rcn.com>


On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> interesting aspect, I have to check, if my encoder supports H264 and  
> how
> about size/quality. The only thing I have read about H264 is that it  
> takes
> much processor power and could get into troubles on old machines. Up  
> to now
> I wanted to use Sorenson Video3 Pro codec.

H264 and On2VP6 (the codec that you would want to use f you did choose  
Flash) are similar in CPU demands. How much demand depends on the data  
rate, and the quality of the image is better than the same rate  
Sorenson 3 video. So I would argue that you'll find an H264 rate that  
you'll like for both quality and CPU demand, and that then can be used  
in QuickTime or Flash. If it would help I can make test files for you  
to see, if you give me an example video.


>
> Yes I thought about putting the installer on DVD-ROM, thought apple  
> doesn't
> like it...

They don't mind at all. You just have to sign an agree with them, and  
send two copies of the final product as part of that agreement.


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 15 08:40:47 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:40:47 +0000
Subject: hostNameToAddress not working???
In-Reply-To: <1D0ECC98-522B-4ED6-9A51-3A031C0D0B4C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
	<1D0ECC98-522B-4ED6-9A51-3A031C0D0B4C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1E274100-BF13-4CEA-BF72-EA12F30FD5FC@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Yes, I am using a router, actually it a different router then when  
first I tested this (about a year ago).

 From looking at the Network settings I have a LAN IP Address of  
192.168.1.87 and my router address is 192.168.1.1 and my local  
address is 127.0.0.1 and the Public IP address is 94.140.30.222. If I  
use:

> put hostaddresstoname(url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi")


it returns the public address where as what I want is the local LAN  
Address, e.g. I want to be able to identify machines on my local  
network.

When I call the hostName() function, I get back "MachineName" this  
used to work just fine but now doesn't (either because of a change in  
RunRev or because I have a different router), however is I append  
".local" to the machine name, it returns the correct LAN address. so  
if I change my function as so:

------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  UtilHostGetIPAddressLAN
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
function UtilHostGetIPAddressLAN
   local myHostName
   local myHostIPAddress

   put the hostName into  myHostName
   if char -7 to -1 myHostName <> ".local" then
     put ".local" after myHostName
   end if

   put hostNameToAddress(myHostName) into myHostIPAddress
   return myHostIPAddress
end UtilHostGetIPAddressLAN

It works!!!!!!!!!!

All the Best
Dave


On 15 Feb 2008, at 13:09, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> The hostaddresstoname and hostnametoaddress function work fine. My  
> tiny cgi script on Memebot works fine too.
>
> I bet your machine is connected to a local network using a router.  
> It is also possible that you have additional gateways defined on  
> your local machine, e.g. to facilitate Parallels.
>
> If an IP number or address doesn't exist or is invalid, e.g.  
> because it is of the form "Machine.local", the hostaddresstoname  
> and hostnametoaddress functions may return empty. This is normal.
>
> Perhaps, you are looking for:
>
> put hostaddresstoname(url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi")
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color  
> Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
> Op 15-feb-2008, om 12:53 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have the following function:
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> --  Get the LAN IP Address of this Machine
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> function IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>>   local myHostIPAddress
>>
>>   put hostNameToAddress(the hostName) into myHostIPAddress
>>   return myHostIPAddress
>> end IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>>
>>
>> This used to work fine and return the local LAN address of the  
>> machine the Script is running on, I just tried it and now it just  
>> returns empty.
>>
>> I originally cribbed this from Richmond's "Get IP Address" stack.  
>> I download this again from rev online and it too fails. From this  
>> stack:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put "Public IP =" && url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ 
>> ip.cgi" into line 1 of fld "F1"
>>   put "Local IP =" && hostnametoaddress ("localhost") into line 2  
>> of fld "F1"
>>   put "LAN IP =" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)  into line 3  
>> of fld "F1"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> When I run this I get "empty" as the LAN Address. The other two IP  
>> address fields are filled in ok.
>>
>> Could anyone shed any light on why this has stopped working and  
>> how I can obtain the LAN IP address?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 15 08:50:50 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:50:50 +0000
Subject: hostNameToAddress not working??? (Correction)
In-Reply-To: <1D0ECC98-522B-4ED6-9A51-3A031C0D0B4C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
	<1D0ECC98-522B-4ED6-9A51-3A031C0D0B4C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <19EBB9FB-F390-4535-A021-9BD14F890028@looktowindward.com>

!!!!!Opps!!!!!

Some typeo's crept in! It should read - however if I append ".local"  
to the machine name it returns the correct LAN address. So if I  
change my function as so:

------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
--
------------------------------------------------------------------
function IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
   local myHostName
   local myHostIPAddress

   put the hostName into  myHostName
   if char -6 to -1 myHostName <> ".local" then
     put ".local" after myHostName
   end if

   put hostNameToAddress(myHostName) into myHostIPAddress
   return myHostIPAddress
end IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN


It works!!!!!!!!!!

All the Best
Dave






From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Feb 15 09:07:01 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:07:01 -0500
Subject: Is RevXML working in Linux!?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802141729l612049a1he5fca8e78025b6c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10802141729l612049a1he5fca8e78025b6c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D21CF2EE-8D2F-4654-8ACC-4F5894AF8EE4@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I have 2.9.0-dp-3 running as a CGI engine on Linux, I'd like to know
> if I can use RevXML commands in it. RevCreateXMLTree is returning an
> error. Must I load the external by hand? Isn't it inside the engine
> these days?

I haven't used the CGI but on Windows and OS X revXML is still an  
external that you have to load by hand so if Linux and CGI are the  
same then you need to find the revXML file and load it.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com




From andres at bakno.com  Fri Feb 15 09:18:48 2008
From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:18:48 -0500
Subject: Rev & php script question
In-Reply-To: <47B550A3.C1DECB35@club-internet.fr>
References: <47B550A3.C1DECB35@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <2978478B-B0F3-4C66-AF4D-D33D99923FD8@bakno.com>

Hello JB

I use "print" instead of "echo" and it works fine.

Please try it.

Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Feb 15, 2008, at 3:43 AM, jbv wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm using "post myvar to url "xxxx" in a stack to access data stored  
> in
> mysql
> via a php script. The php script ends with "echo $myvar;" and the
> strange thing
> is that it returns 2 empty lines before the value of $myvar ONLY  
> when I
> access
> mysql in the script... when I post a similar content to a php script
> that doesn't
> connect to mysql, the value returned is "clean" (no empty lines).
> I've tested the script on 2 different servers running 2 different
> versions of Linux,
> Apache, php and mysql.
>
> is there a way to bypass this problem ? may be by changing settings of
> the http header
> in the php script ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> JB
>
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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 09:32:34 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:32:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <E10B3DC6-854E-491E-8677-ADCE1BFD399E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <382360.9192.qm@web54107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What about sound? Aren't animated gifs silent?

--- Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> > Hmm, didn't thought about that yet. I have never compared quality  
> > and size
> > against a video, but giving each frame a unique filename sounds to 
> 
> > quite
> > some work
> 
> No need to use separate files for the frames!
> You can even control frames of animated gifs in Rev!
> Check "framecount", "currentframe" and "repeatcount" in the docs.
> 
> > Thanks for the hint
> > Tiemo
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
> 
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri Feb 15 09:43:03 2008
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:43:03 +0100
Subject: Rev & php script question
References: <47B550A3.C1DECB35@club-internet.fr>
	<2978478B-B0F3-4C66-AF4D-D33D99923FD8@bakno.com>
Message-ID: <47B5A4F5.2E8CBB6A@club-internet.fr>



Andres,

I already tried : same problem.

Thanks anyway.

> Hello JB
>
> I use "print" instead of "echo" and it works fine.
>
> Please try it.



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Feb 15 09:40:48 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:40:48 +0000
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <382360.9192.qm@web54107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <382360.9192.qm@web54107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <755C7823-2602-4E11-B170-FB13B623DEF1@anachreon.co.uk>

Someone had to spoil the party... :)
Good point, but I had assumed that at 1-4 seconds per file that there  
really wasn't much sound to talk about (intentional pun..).
Could be linked to fire off (if necessary) a separate sound file.

Oh, and about the individual filenames per frame: This the app will  
do for you, but it looks like you won't need it with "framecount",  
"currentframe" and "repeatcount".

Cheers,

Luis.


On 15 Feb 2008, at 14:32, Russell Martin wrote:

> What about sound? Aren't animated gifs silent?
>
> --- Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tiemo,
>>
>>> Hmm, didn't thought about that yet. I have never compared quality
>>> and size
>>> against a video, but giving each frame a unique filename sounds to
>>
>>> quite
>>> some work
>>
>> No need to use separate files for the frames!
>> You can even control frames of animated gifs in Rev!
>> Check "framecount", "currentframe" and "repeatcount" in the docs.
>>
>>> Thanks for the hint
>>> Tiemo
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus Major
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> http://www.major-k.de
>>
>>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 09:46:50 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:46:50 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <755C7823-2602-4E11-B170-FB13B623DEF1@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000901c86fe1$99db7400$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Yes, in this case, I don't have audio at all...
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 15:41
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> Someone had to spoil the party... :)
> Good point, but I had assumed that at 1-4 seconds per file that there
> really wasn't much sound to talk about (intentional pun..).
> Could be linked to fire off (if necessary) a separate sound file.
> 
> Oh, and about the individual filenames per frame: This the app will
> do for you, but it looks like you won't need it with "framecount",
> "currentframe" and "repeatcount".
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 15 Feb 2008, at 14:32, Russell Martin wrote:
> 
> > What about sound? Aren't animated gifs silent?
> >
> > --- Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Tiemo,
> >>
> >>> Hmm, didn't thought about that yet. I have never compared quality
> >>> and size
> >>> against a video, but giving each frame a unique filename sounds to
> >>
> >>> quite
> >>> some work
> >>
> >> No need to use separate files for the frames!
> >> You can even control frames of animated gifs in Rev!
> >> Check "framecount", "currentframe" and "repeatcount" in the docs.
> >>
> >>> Thanks for the hint
> >>> Tiemo
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Klaus Major
> >> klaus at major-k.de
> >> http://www.major-k.de
> >>
> >>
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 10:02:26 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:02:26 -0500
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <000901c86fe1$99db7400$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000901c86fe1$99db7400$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <p06240800c3db59155b7d@[192.168.0.89]>

The main arguments against animated gifs would be the lack of color 
range, and the file size. If there are 17000 files of 1-4 seconds 
each, so let's say 36000 seconds worth altogether, that's the same 
amount of time as five full length Hollywood movies, and with double 
layer discs being enough of a hassle to think this would want to fit 
onto one side of a DVD, it would be challenging if the animations 
were only GIF compressed.

How big an image will it be? How many frames per second? Fitting ten 
hours of full size full frame rate video onto a DVD is going to be 
tough.



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 15 10:20:10 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:20:10 -0600
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c3db59155b7d@192.168.0.89>
References: <000901c86fe1$99db7400$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<p06240800c3db59155b7d@192.168.0.89>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802150720k309c76b2nddfc2b0efa68ad5f@mail.gmail.com>

Another issue you may wish to consider, is how powerful a machine the
playback will be on. A recent cient of ours had to forgo the Flash
solution in favor of QT because Flash is considerably more processor
intensive than QT...by a lot.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 10:23:32 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:23:32 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c3db59155b7d@[192.168.0.89]>
Message-ID: <000d01c86fe6$ba3b0350$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

I have a video size of 384x288 with 25fps and try to get an average file
size of 420kb, so that I get all on one double layer DVD-9
I've send you a test file off-list
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Colin Holgate
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 16:02
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> The main arguments against animated gifs would be the lack of color
> range, and the file size. If there are 17000 files of 1-4 seconds
> each, so let's say 36000 seconds worth altogether, that's the same
> amount of time as five full length Hollywood movies, and with double
> layer discs being enough of a hassle to think this would want to fit
> onto one side of a DVD, it would be challenging if the animations
> were only GIF compressed.
> 
> How big an image will it be? How many frames per second? Fitting ten
> hours of full size full frame rate video onto a DVD is going to be
> tough.
> 
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 10:24:22 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:24:22 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802150720k309c76b2nddfc2b0efa68ad5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c86fe6$d7dd87c0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Interesting to hear, I didn't know that
Thanks for sharing
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Chipp Walters
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 16:20
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> Another issue you may wish to consider, is how powerful a machine the
> playback will be on. A recent cient of ours had to forgo the Flash
> solution in favor of QT because Flash is considerably more processor
> intensive than QT...by a lot.
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Feb 15 10:46:07 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:46:07 -0800
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
Message-ID: <159C1261-9D1F-49E6-A35D-9833C7906A8F@cruzio.com>

Shortcut keys are becoming a thing of the past, far more than just  
copy, cut, paste.  This is in the IDE using GLX2 (or not), Studio or  
Enterprise Beta.  Do I need to do a complete reinstall to get thing  
back to normal?  Are there files that need to be dumped?  Please advise.

Thanks,
Mark





From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Feb 15 11:19:58 2008
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:19:58 -0600
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <159C1261-9D1F-49E6-A35D-9833C7906A8F@cruzio.com>
References: <159C1261-9D1F-49E6-A35D-9833C7906A8F@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <EFA0AD9B-2173-410E-B018-BB7014F2F1D6@daniels-mara.com>

Mark,

Trevor has tracked down a very bothersome engine bug that seems to  
isolate the problem: FOCUS. Once a Rev application (the IDE is an  
application, btw) has a bunch of nested groups, the engine has to be  
coerced into knowing what the focused object (field) really is. This  
is where the keystrokes "go." And sometimes even coercion does not  
work. Based on Trevor's detective work, I'm starting to believe this  
is an engine bug--which has been reported and which is being worked on  
presently by the lads and lasses in Scotland.

Perhaps Mr. T or others in the know would care to comment.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2



On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Shortcut keys are becoming a thing of the past, far more than just  
> copy, cut, paste.  This is in the IDE using GLX2 (or not), Studio or  
> Enterprise Beta.  Do I need to do a complete reinstall to get thing  
> back to normal?  Are there files that need to be dumped?  Please  
> advise.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Feb 15 11:22:28 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:22:28 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <6546BF63-F2A7-43C0-BA9F-7B9A4B3FB9F1@rcn.com>
References: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<6546BF63-F2A7-43C0-BA9F-7B9A4B3FB9F1@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <p06240808c3db5c85625a@[192.168.1.70]>

And another thing to think about:  Flash, Real, DIVX, whatever, 
eventually will complain if the user's system needs an update on the 
web, and they'll have  to download and install something sooner or 
later. Example:  I just installed Leopard 10.5.2, that masssive thing 
just released by Apple, yet going to a particular site, I got the 
message to update to the 'latest' version of Flash.  I don't think 
one can always reliably count on the OS to provide these tweezy 
add-ons without upgrades. People who regularly use video on the web 
are used to this.

Remember all the garbage one had to do to get CNN streaming to work 
when they started their new free service? It requres Java, FLASH 
AND   Microsoft Media Player and  at one point required one to tweak 
quicktime's plist  to get it to work.   I'm sure the difficulty in 
use was due partly to the house of cards lashing of these 
technologies -- all to force the user to use their stupid imbedded 
player (and keep them from viewing full screen or open multiple 
windows  (which one could do before with quicktime/wmv paid 
'Pipeline'.)

Native, pure quicktime works really well by itself in its native formats.

It's true; Iphones and I pods are expanding  the PC use of Quicktime 
to the point where users accept it as much or more than any other 
media add-on, such as DIVX.

Quicktime has been around since the late 80's, concurrent with the 
introduction of CD-Roms. It's the oldest, most mature computer media 
technology that's around, with almost 20 years of development behind 
it.

Besides, using Quicktime will allow you take advantage of Trevor's 
excellent and cross-platform Quicktime library!

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/enhancedqt.php




>You could make them as H264 based movies (with AAC sound), either 
>.MOV or .MP4. Both would play fine via QuickTime, and both can play 
>in the current Flash player. You could build it now as QuickTime 
>only, and then change your mind later if you were still worried 
>about people installing QuickTime.
>
>You know that all people who use iPhones or iPods with their PCs do 
>have QuickTime installed? Even those with just iTunes do, so the 
>number of people with QuickTime  installed is higher than you might 
>think. Also, you can include the QuickTime installer on your DVD-ROM.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 15 11:33:40 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:33:40 +0100
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c3db5c85625a@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <001701c86ff0$878c9270$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thank you for your points, Stephen
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Stephen Barncard
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 17:22
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> And another thing to think about:  Flash, Real, DIVX, whatever,
> eventually will complain if the user's system needs an update on the
> web, and they'll have  to download and install something sooner or
> later. Example:  I just installed Leopard 10.5.2, that masssive thing
> just released by Apple, yet going to a particular site, I got the
> message to update to the 'latest' version of Flash.  I don't think
> one can always reliably count on the OS to provide these tweezy
> add-ons without upgrades. People who regularly use video on the web
> are used to this.
> 
> Remember all the garbage one had to do to get CNN streaming to work
> when they started their new free service? It requres Java, FLASH
> AND   Microsoft Media Player and  at one point required one to tweak
> quicktime's plist  to get it to work.   I'm sure the difficulty in
> use was due partly to the house of cards lashing of these
> technologies -- all to force the user to use their stupid imbedded
> player (and keep them from viewing full screen or open multiple
> windows  (which one could do before with quicktime/wmv paid
> 'Pipeline'.)
> 
> Native, pure quicktime works really well by itself in its native formats.
> 
> It's true; Iphones and I pods are expanding  the PC use of Quicktime
> to the point where users accept it as much or more than any other
> media add-on, such as DIVX.
> 
> Quicktime has been around since the late 80's, concurrent with the
> introduction of CD-Roms. It's the oldest, most mature computer media
> technology that's around, with almost 20 years of development behind
> it.
> 
> Besides, using Quicktime will allow you take advantage of Trevor's
> excellent and cross-platform Quicktime library!
> 
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/enhancedqt.php
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >You could make them as H264 based movies (with AAC sound), either
> >.MOV or .MP4. Both would play fine via QuickTime, and both can play
> >in the current Flash player. You could build it now as QuickTime
> >only, and then change your mind later if you were still worried
> >about people installing QuickTime.
> >
> >You know that all people who use iPhones or iPods with their PCs do
> >have QuickTime installed? Even those with just iTunes do, so the
> >number of people with QuickTime  installed is higher than you might
> >think. Also, you can include the QuickTime installer on your DVD-ROM.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
> 
> 
> 
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Feb 15 11:37:16 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:37:16 -0800
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3DB1CBF.8E37F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C3DA275A.4C3B%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<C3DB1CBF.8E37F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <041e01c86ff1$06a8b3e0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> I want again repeat one point for SqlLite fans. If db world 
> was so simple that SqlLite engine in 300K beats mySQL then 
> ask self why mySQL/Oracle/MS SQL/Sybase/DB2/Ingres/ Valentina 
> developers bother self developing soooo complex DB 
> systems???!!!  May be tasks are not so simple when you start 
> move more deeply...

An extremely important thing to keep in mind when choosing a database is how
well they scale. If you are working with a handful of records locally, you
arent going to notice a huge difference between databases.

When you go from a local only to a network database, it is a huge step, and
if your database wasn't designed from the get-go to account for network
issues its likely not going to do it as well as those that do. Likewise,
handling thousands or millions or records, you really notice a difference.

And those are just performance issues, before getting into the general
goodie bag of features :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Feb 15 11:39:31 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:39:31 -0500
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <EFA0AD9B-2173-410E-B018-BB7014F2F1D6@daniels-mara.com>
References: <159C1261-9D1F-49E6-A35D-9833C7906A8F@cruzio.com>
	<EFA0AD9B-2173-410E-B018-BB7014F2F1D6@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <04F18CF5-F39E-406A-9E4D-86C64FC85D3A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
> Trevor has tracked down a very bothersome engine bug that seems to  
> isolate the problem: FOCUS. Once a Rev application (the IDE is an  
> application, btw) has a bunch of nested groups, the engine has to be  
> coerced into knowing what the focused object (field) really is. This  
> is where the keystrokes "go." And sometimes even coercion does not  
> work. Based on Trevor's detective work, I'm starting to believe this  
> is an engine bug--which has been reported and which is being worked  
> on presently by the lads and lasses in Scotland.
>
> Perhaps Mr. T or others in the know would care to comment.

I don't have any further details on whether or not the issue is fixed  
yet for the next 2.9 build.

I am pretty sure that non-functioning shortcut keys are related to a  
confused engine when it comes to focusedObject and selectedField. I've  
been able to recreate the issue and have filed bug reports. Rev is  
aware of the issue and hopefully all of these shortcut key woes will  
go away with 2.9.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 11:50:39 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:50:39 -0800
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <04F18CF5-F39E-406A-9E4D-86C64FC85D3A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C3DB02DF.4C1C6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I have posted a workaround for Mac OSX that I use, sometimes frequently, but
most of the last 6 months, rarely.  There is a program called Menu Master
that quickly allows you to assign an alternate key combo.  I use cntrl-C and
cntrl-V.  Normally Rev will like the command-C and -V.  When it does not, I
just use the cntrl key and it works fine.  Don't ask why.  I don't know.

Copy seems to work, but the paste is problematic, solved by the cntrl key
substitution.  Of course, relaunching Rev fixes the things too.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/15/08 8:39 AM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>> Trevor has tracked down a very bothersome engine bug that seems to
>> isolate the problem: FOCUS. Once a Rev application (the IDE is an
>> application, btw) has a bunch of nested groups, the engine has to be
>> coerced into knowing what the focused object (field) really is. This
>> is where the keystrokes "go." And sometimes even coercion does not
>> work. Based on Trevor's detective work, I'm starting to believe this
>> is an engine bug--which has been reported and which is being worked
>> on presently by the lads and lasses in Scotland.
>> 
>> Perhaps Mr. T or others in the know would care to comment.
> 
> I don't have any further details on whether or not the issue is fixed
> yet for the next 2.9 build.
> 
> I am pretty sure that non-functioning shortcut keys are related to a
> confused engine when it comes to focusedObject and selectedField. I've
> been able to recreate the issue and have filed bug reports. Rev is
> aware of the issue and hopefully all of these shortcut key woes will
> go away with 2.9.
> 
> Regards,




From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Feb 15 11:53:10 2008
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:53:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: App over PDA with windows mobile or other
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802150538x4106167fgbc523f4c87e1b160@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15496039.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<7c87a2a10802150538x4106167fgbc523f4c87e1b160@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15502978.post@talk.nabble.com>


That's what I will suppose... 

Thanks,
Josep M


Andre Garzia-3 wrote:
> 
> Josep,
> 
> Err... no, you can't but there's a way. You can create a web
> application if your pda is connected all time, then, you can use a web
> application.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On 2/15/08, Josep <jmyepes at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  It's posible to run applications created with Revolution in a Windows
>> Mobile
>>  PDA?
>>  If is posible I need a windows license for Rev or can I do it from my
>> Mac
>>  license?
>>
>>  I need create a little app that collect orders to send via ftp.
>>
>>  Any hint?
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>  Josep M
>>  --
>>  View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/App-over-PDA-with-windows-mobile-or-other-tp15496039p15496039.html
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Fri Feb 15 12:46:37 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:46:37 -0500
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <20080215162011.17328489BB8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080215162011.17328489BB8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F446AC20-4E02-4DC1-8328-EB2DC383421A@siphonophore.com>

its a bit more than throwing the qt installer on and sending them a  
couple copies of your disc. you must install qt with your product w.o  
the user being able to stop the qt installation. it was all a bit of  
hassle and it changes (another pain). in the past they have done  
things like your application had to only work with the version of qt  
on the disc or above (not nice since my apps usually work with very  
old qt version on older systems fine, no reason to force upgrades on  
them). basically if you want to ship qt with your product apple wants  
to use you to move the world forward into the newer. also if they  
change the license terms you have to agree if you want to continue  
your license.

also if a new version of qt comes you must replace it on your product  
w/in 6 months. not fun again once you are golden and have a bunch of  
cds sitting there... we had an older VB based product that used qt and  
required one extension from a very old version of qt be installed to  
run, but on newer OS you also needed a full newer version of QT  
installed. this was a mess since apple wanted us to loose the old qt  
files completely when we were re-releasing it, but we did not have the  
source for the VB and couldnt figure out what was needed or change  
this. finally got the nudge, nudge, wink, wink, to ship it with both  
and the convoluted installation as there was no way the product was  
going to be reworked to fix it, but there was still a strong education  
demand for the product.

you can find the current apple agreements at the apple site http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/quicktime.html 
. like i said over the last decade or so that i have dealt with on  
many project it keeps evolving, sometimes simple and straight forward  
and sometimes more complicated to deal with. We have finally given up  
on the cdroms and just put the link in all the readmes and docs to the  
quicktime.com website to get the qt installer if they need it. so far  
this has only caused a problem for the schools in the Mariana Islands  
in the South Pacific with low bandwidth connections. i ended up  
sending them some discs with only the qt installer only burned on them  
and they passed them out to the islands, problem solved.

not to say qt is not great at solving lots of multimedia problems,  
just including the qt installer does raise a few issues you must be  
prepared to deal with. this come into focus more if your product is  
going though a publisher who is assuming some of the rights/licensing/ 
production as they may not like to deal with some of the installer  
license details.

On flash videos it sounds like yours our short, but on longer ones  
(like 5-10 minutes) the audio can sometimes get out of synch with the  
video under flash videos compared qt which seems to do a very good job  
of making sure audio and video keep synched.

Flash also has had a history of version conflicts, so what ever you do  
with it you need to make sure you if cross one of those lines and if  
you have a plan.

on the H264 it really takes the processor power on the encoding step,  
not seen a problem with playback on older machines yet. lots of the  
world is going h264 these days...

cheers

jeff reynolds


On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:20 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>>
>>
>> Yes I thought about putting the installer on DVD-ROM, thought apple
>> doesn't
>> like it...
>
> They don't mind at all. You just have to sign an agree with them, and
> send two copies of the final product as part of that agreement.



From bvg at mac.com  Fri Feb 15 12:56:19 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:56:19 +0100
Subject: revBrowser and htmltext of web pages
In-Reply-To: <47B53250.4060000@pdslabs.net>
References: <47B53250.4060000@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <27FAF54D-1525-4600-90FC-B9FC140E64C0@mac.com>

I'd say this looks like a bug to me, so maybe you should file one,  
specifying the url, and how you used it.  Alternatively send this mail  
and the url /use case to support?


On 15 Feb 2008, at 07:33, Phil Davis wrote:

> I'm looking at a web page in revBrowser (XP in Parallels) that  
> contains
> all the info I want to capture. When my script does this:
>  put revBrowserGet(tId,"htmltext")
>
> All I get in the message box is this:
> <HTML><HEAD></HEAD>
> <BODY></BODY></HTML>
>
> I'm guessing it's because the page uses JavaScript heavily. But of
> course it renders perfectly in revBrowser, so it seems like I should  
> be
> able to grab it. When I look at the same page with a non-Rev web
> browser, I can see the page source and all the data I wanted is there.
>
> Can revBrowser give me the same results as a regular web browser? Am I
> just missing something?
>
> Thanks -
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 15 13:10:35 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:10:35 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <47B5D59B.1020700@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Native, pure quicktime works really well by itself in its native formats.

Except for the other 90% of the world that runs Windows or Linux. ;)

There isn't a QT engine at all for Linux (please oh please tell me 
that's changed or will soon).

And sure, Apple provides an installer for QT on Windows.  But as 
convenient as it is for end-users, the IT staff in hospitals and 
universities I've been talking to really dislike the broad range of 
often-unnecessary system settings the QT installer changes.

So while I like QT personally, for some apps we've had to switch to WMV.

WMV is natively playable on Win systems with nothing else required, and 
for Mac folks it's a favor to encourage them to get Flip4Mac if they 
haven't already (when will that simply be bundled in with QT?).

Of course with QT you get the nifty controller, but an increasing number 
of apps I manage that use QT have needs that go beyond the built-in 
controller anyway.  Building a custom controller not only lets you 
implement the specific features you need, but also lets you deploy 
without QT dependence.  The QT controller buttons are pretty small 
anyway, and features like looping and selections can be scripted fairly 
easily without QT.

So rather than inconvenience the majority of our users by asking Win 
folks to install QT, we've flipping that around and asking Mac users to 
install Flip4Mac.  Not only are the numbers more favorable this way, but 
Flip4Mac is far less intrusive to the Mac system than QT is to Windows, 
both in terms of file size and scope of system changes.

I still don't know what we're going to do for Linux -- is there a WMV 
translator for Linux as there is for Mac?  What formats are widely 
supported there?

All that said, I don't know that there's a single the best choice; it 
really depends on the specific needs of the application and its target 
audience.  For many consumer apps using QT is just fine, and offers a 
lot of flexibility for the developer with little coding.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bvg at mac.com  Fri Feb 15 13:10:50 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:10:50 +0100
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <001701c86ff0$878c9270$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001701c86ff0$878c9270$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <8D282EF0-E380-4EC3-8870-0FC5F878EE46@mac.com>

I never really used videos much, but isn't there any way to set the  
"dontUseQT" to true, when running on windows, while using the same  
compression for windows and mac os x?

I always wondered this, but didn't have the persistence to find out :)

Bj?rnke

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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Feb 15 13:14:39 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:39 -0800
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <EFA0AD9B-2173-410E-B018-BB7014F2F1D6@daniels-mara.com>
References: <159C1261-9D1F-49E6-A35D-9833C7906A8F@cruzio.com>
	<EFA0AD9B-2173-410E-B018-BB7014F2F1D6@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <D60CB57C-5458-4F51-AB45-D17C6BD82F19@cruzio.com>

It's beyond copy, cut, paste at this point on my machine.  Select all,  
commenting/uncommenting, saving, opening/closing message box,  
everything that should work more often than not doesn't.   The only  
way I can get anything done is to use the menubar.  All shortcuts seem  
to be shortcircuited... not always, but more often than not.  Anyone  
else experiencing behavior like this?

I'm using Leopard, Rev 2.8 and 2.9, GLX2.

I read somewhere that there is a possible corruption of the  
preferences file that can get in the way of things, but I'm wondering  
if a complete reinstall is not the best answer.
Thanks,
Mark


On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Trevor has tracked down a very bothersome engine bug that seems to  
> isolate the problem: FOCUS. Once a Rev application (the IDE is an  
> application, btw) has a bunch of nested groups, the engine has to be  
> coerced into knowing what the focused object (field) really is. This  
> is where the keystrokes "go." And sometimes even coercion does not  
> work. Based on Trevor's detective work, I'm starting to believe this  
> is an engine bug--which has been reported and which is being worked  
> on presently by the lads and lasses in Scotland.
>
> Perhaps Mr. T or others in the know would care to comment.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> Daniels & Mara, Inc.
> Makers of GLX2
> http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>> Shortcut keys are becoming a thing of the past, far more than just  
>> copy, cut, paste.  This is in the IDE using GLX2 (or not), Studio  
>> or Enterprise Beta.  Do I need to do a complete reinstall to get  
>> thing back to normal?  Are there files that need to be dumped?   
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
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Thanks,
Mark





From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Feb 15 13:29:04 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:29:04 -0800
Subject: Valentina Valentine offer
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c3db5c85625a@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <001e01c86fd0$f4e5f110$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<6546BF63-F2A7-43C0-BA9F-7B9A4B3FB9F1@rcn.com>
	<p06240808c3db5c85625a@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <28004365-01EC-42D3-8F12-D03881E33B00@pacifier.com>

I signed up for the Valentina Valentine offer and the
site said it confirmed my info but I have not received
the license yet.

The offer stated once you fill out the info and have
been confirmed your license will be on the way.

When should we expect to receive the license?

thanks,
-=>JB<=-


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Feb 15 13:36:27 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:36:27 +0000
Subject: hostNameToAddress not working???
In-Reply-To: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
References: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47B5DBAB.6050907@tweedly.net>

Dave wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have the following function:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
> --  Get the LAN IP Address of this Machine
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> function IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>   local myHostIPAddress
>
>   put hostNameToAddress(the hostName) into myHostIPAddress
>   return myHostIPAddress
> end IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>
>
> This used to work fine and return the local LAN address of the machine 
> the Script is running on, I just tried it and now it just returns empty.
>
> I originally cribbed this from Richmond's "Get IP Address" stack. I 
> download this again from rev online and it too fails. From this stack:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "Public IP =" && url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi" 
> into line 1 of fld "F1"
>   put "Local IP =" && hostnametoaddress ("localhost") into line 2 of 
> fld "F1"
>   put "LAN IP =" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)  into line 3 of 
> fld "F1"
> end mouseUp
>
> When I run this I get "empty" as the LAN Address. The other two IP 
> address fields are filled in ok.
>
> Could anyone shed any light on why this has stopped working and how I 
> can obtain the LAN IP address?
>
Which machine ? OS ? Rev version ?

It would be interesting to see the output from
   put the hostname  && ":" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)

to see whether the hostname has been set properly (and then to see 
whether the host name to address mapping is OK).

if you're on a Mac, try opening a terminal window, and look at the 
output from
    echo $HOSTNAME
if you're on a PC, ummmm .... I forget :-) - but look at what the system 
thinks the hostname is.

-- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Feb 15 13:38:57 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:38:57 -0800
Subject: revBrowser and htmltext of web pages
In-Reply-To: <27FAF54D-1525-4600-90FC-B9FC140E64C0@mac.com>
References: <47B53250.4060000@pdslabs.net>
	<27FAF54D-1525-4600-90FC-B9FC140E64C0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47B5DC41.50600@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Bj?rnke. The page in question is on a secured site (realtors' 
multiple listing service), but I'll see if I can find an equivalent 
public page and submit that with the bug report.

Phil

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> I'd say this looks like a bug to me, so maybe you should file one, 
> specifying the url, and how you used it.  Alternatively send this mail 
> and the url /use case to support?
>
>
> On 15 Feb 2008, at 07:33, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at a web page in revBrowser (XP in Parallels) that contains
>> all the info I want to capture. When my script does this:
>>  put revBrowserGet(tId,"htmltext")
>>
>> All I get in the message box is this:
>> <HTML><HEAD></HEAD>
>> <BODY></BODY></HTML>
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because the page uses JavaScript heavily. But of
>> course it renders perfectly in revBrowser, so it seems like I should be
>> able to grab it. When I look at the same page with a non-Rev web
>> browser, I can see the page source and all the data I wanted is there.
>>
>> Can revBrowser give me the same results as a regular web browser? Am I
>> just missing something?
>>
>> Thanks -
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri Feb 15 13:50:49 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:50:49 +0200
Subject: Valentina Valentine offer
In-Reply-To: <28004365-01EC-42D3-8F12-D03881E33B00@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <C3DBABA9.8E4DE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 15/2/08 8:29 PM, "-= JB =-" <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

> I signed up for the Valentina Valentine offer and the
> site said it confirmed my info but I have not received
> the license yet.
> 
> The offer stated once you fill out the info and have
> been confirmed your license will be on the way.
> 
> When should we expect to receive the license?

People have start to work on sending of emails
Hundreds of registrations.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 15 13:51:32 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:51:32 +0000
Subject: hostNameToAddress not working???
In-Reply-To: <47B5DBAB.6050907@tweedly.net>
References: <A33B84C4-F9BC-4AEE-B55D-FFCDE5C7409E@looktowindward.com>
	<47B5DBAB.6050907@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <6B99EAB7-C16F-4512-ABBD-F9D16C8E83BF@looktowindward.com>

It's ok, you just need to append ".local" to the return value of "the  
hostName".

All the Best
Dave

On 15 Feb 2008, at 18:36, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have the following function:
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -- 
>> --  Get the LAN IP Address of this Machine
>> -- 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> function IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>>   local myHostIPAddress
>>
>>   put hostNameToAddress(the hostName) into myHostIPAddress
>>   return myHostIPAddress
>> end IPMGetHostIPAddressLAN
>>
>>
>> This used to work fine and return the local LAN address of the  
>> machine the Script is running on, I just tried it and now it just  
>> returns empty.
>>
>> I originally cribbed this from Richmond's "Get IP Address" stack.  
>> I download this again from rev online and it too fails. From this  
>> stack:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put "Public IP =" && url "http://xtalk.memebot.com/cgi-bin/ 
>> ip.cgi" into line 1 of fld "F1"
>>   put "Local IP =" && hostnametoaddress ("localhost") into line 2  
>> of fld "F1"
>>   put "LAN IP =" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)  into line 3  
>> of fld "F1"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> When I run this I get "empty" as the LAN Address. The other two IP  
>> address fields are filled in ok.
>>
>> Could anyone shed any light on why this has stopped working and  
>> how I can obtain the LAN IP address?
>>
> Which machine ? OS ? Rev version ?
>
> It would be interesting to see the output from
>   put the hostname  && ":" && hostnametoaddress(the hostname)
>
> to see whether the hostname has been set properly (and then to see  
> whether the host name to address mapping is OK).
>
> if you're on a Mac, try opening a terminal window, and look at the  
> output from
>    echo $HOSTNAME
> if you're on a PC, ummmm .... I forget :-) - but look at what the  
> system thinks the hostname is.
>
> -- 
>
> Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net
>
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Feb 15 14:35:26 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:35:26 -0800
Subject: Valentina Valentine offer
In-Reply-To: <C3DBABA9.8E4DE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C3DBABA9.8E4DE%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <9009A929-560E-46DA-9250-68C8BF804FE4@pacifier.com>

Hi Ruslan,

That is what I thought but just wanted to make sure.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.

-=>JB<=-



On Feb 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 15/2/08 8:29 PM, "-= JB =-" <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>
>> I signed up for the Valentina Valentine offer and the
>> site said it confirmed my info but I have not received
>> the license yet.
>>
>> The offer stated once you fill out the info and have
>> been confirmed your license will be on the way.
>>
>> When should we expect to receive the license?
>
> People have start to work on sending of emails
> Hundreds of registrations.
>
>
> --  
> Best regards,
>
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
>
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Feb 15 14:45:36 2008
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:45:36 -0600
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <D60CB57C-5458-4F51-AB45-D17C6BD82F19@cruzio.com>
References: <159C1261-9D1F-49E6-A35D-9833C7906A8F@cruzio.com>
	<EFA0AD9B-2173-410E-B018-BB7014F2F1D6@daniels-mara.com>
	<D60CB57C-5458-4F51-AB45-D17C6BD82F19@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <27C203EC-8997-4BE9-9C17-B0056FDC5EDD@daniels-mara.com>

Mark,

It wouldn't hurt to try a fresh re-install. I don't know what other  
plugins, or anything else may have affected your keystrokes so  
dramatically. When i made my previous comments, I was not limiting the  
focus problem with keystrokes to just cmd+c,x,v, btw.

It's stuff like this that made me want to create a script editor in a  
separate application space...which we did with the Concept Editor. I  
should have perhaps taken the idea beyond concept.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2



On Feb 15, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> It's beyond copy, cut, paste at this point on my machine.  Select  
> all, commenting/uncommenting, saving, opening/closing message box,  
> everything that should work more often than not doesn't.   The only  
> way I can get anything done is to use the menubar.  All shortcuts  
> seem to be shortcircuited... not always, but more often than not.   
> Anyone else experiencing behavior like this?
>
> I'm using Leopard, Rev 2.8 and 2.9, GLX2.
>
> I read somewhere that there is a possible corruption of the  
> preferences file that can get in the way of things, but I'm  
> wondering if a complete reinstall is not the best answer.
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Trevor has tracked down a very bothersome engine bug that seems to  
>> isolate the problem: FOCUS. Once a Rev application (the IDE is an  
>> application, btw) has a bunch of nested groups, the engine has to  
>> be coerced into knowing what the focused object (field) really is.  
>> This is where the keystrokes "go." And sometimes even coercion does  
>> not work. Based on Trevor's detective work, I'm starting to believe  
>> this is an engine bug--which has been reported and which is being  
>> worked on presently by the lads and lasses in Scotland.
>>
>> Perhaps Mr. T or others in the know would care to comment.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>>
>> Daniels & Mara, Inc.
>> Makers of GLX2
>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>>
>>> Shortcut keys are becoming a thing of the past, far more than just  
>>> copy, cut, paste.  This is in the IDE using GLX2 (or not), Studio  
>>> or Enterprise Beta.  Do I need to do a complete reinstall to get  
>>> thing back to normal?  Are there files that need to be dumped?   
>>> Please advise.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 15 15:08:54 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:08:54 -0600
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <47B5D59B.1020700@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B5D59B.1020700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802151208r6971f7c1vbba20d71fb5930d8@mail.gmail.com>

Fascinating Richard, didn't know about Flip4Mac.

Do the standard Rev calls work with WMV? CurrentTime, PlayStopped,
etc? Didn't know that either. Good stuff.

Regarding Linux, my Asus eee seems to play streaming WMV's just fine
with the default installation of mPlayer. Perhaps a more savvy Linux
guru can weigh in on the matter.

Thanks for posting. BTW, here are the most current stats I could find
regarding Quicktime vs Flash market share:
http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/npd/#item-4

It shows QT at 68.4% and Flash at 98.8%. It also shows Windows Media
Player at 83%.

best,
Chipp


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Feb 15 15:08:49 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:08:49 -0800
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
Message-ID: <p0624080ec3dba1ce9f91@[192.168.1.70]>

G L X 3


>It's stuff like this that made me want to create a script editor in 
>a separate application space...which we did with the Concept Editor. 
>I should have perhaps taken the idea beyond concept.
>
>Best,
>
>Jerry Daniels

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 15:14:39 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:14:39 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802151208r6971f7c1vbba20d71fb5930d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47B5D59B.1020700@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210802151208r6971f7c1vbba20d71fb5930d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240807c3dba2b89d4e@[192.168.0.89]>

At 2:08 PM -0600 2/15/08, Chipp Walters wrote:
>It shows QT at 68.4% and Flash at 98.8%. It also shows Windows Media
>Player at 83%.


I'm not sure how much I would worry about those figures when doing 
something in tools like Revolution, because you know that 100 percent 
of your users are going to have to download or install something. If 
up to 32 percent also have to install something else, that's not the 
end of the world for them.



From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Feb 15 15:17:19 2008
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:17:19 -0600
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec3dba1ce9f91@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <p0624080ec3dba1ce9f91@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <BE38DDA6-14AC-458C-B147-5395253255D9@daniels-mara.com>

I'll take that as a vote of confidence from San Francisco!

On Feb 15, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> G L X 3
>
>
>> It's stuff like this that made me want to create a script editor in  
>> a separate application space...which we did with the Concept  
>> Editor. I should have perhaps taken the idea beyond concept.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels





From len-morgan at crcom.net  Fri Feb 15 15:27:16 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:27:16 -0600
Subject: shortcut keys rarely working
In-Reply-To: <BE38DDA6-14AC-458C-B147-5395253255D9@daniels-mara.com>
References: <p0624080ec3dba1ce9f91@[192.168.1.70]>
	<BE38DDA6-14AC-458C-B147-5395253255D9@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <47B5F5A4.9050407@crcom.net>

Add my vote but PLEASE work on a Windows version!

Len Morgan

Jerry Daniels wrote:
> I'll take that as a vote of confidence from San Francisco!
>
> On Feb 15, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> G L X 3
>>
>>
>>> It's stuff like this that made me want to create a script editor in 
>>> a separate application space...which we did with the Concept Editor. 
>>> I should have perhaps taken the idea beyond concept.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jerry Daniels
>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Feb 15 15:38:48 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:38:48 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802151208r6971f7c1vbba20d71fb5930d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47B5D59B.1020700@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210802151208r6971f7c1vbba20d71fb5930d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080fc3dba5b38960@[192.168.1.70]>

Yes, Flip has made WMV very Mac friendly. Often I forget it's not 
quicktime codecs, WMV's look pretty good.

The more I think about it - Richard's suggestion about using Windoze 
Media for Windows, and QT with FlipForMac  that's a great idea for 
cross platform movies-- shouldn't FLIP work in Quicktime through the 
player?
One more thing to install, but Mac users most likely will have it 
installed anyway, and more likely able to easily install it if not.

FlipforMac has inexpensive upgrades to the plugin in various price 
tiers that allow WMV encoding inside of QT. At that point WMV is just 
another codec.



>Fascinating Richard, didn't know about Flip4Mac.
>
>best,
>Chipp

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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 15:49:16 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:49:16 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <p0624080fc3dba5b38960@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <47B5D59B.1020700@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210802151208r6971f7c1vbba20d71fb5930d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0624080fc3dba5b38960@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <p0624080ac3dba9aa3e16@[192.168.0.89]>

I think you're going to make life harder for yourselves in terms of 
producing the WMVs, and you're willing to give up all Mac users with 
systems prior to 10.3.9, just to save a few people a bit of 
installing time. You would only be helping out people who don't have 
QuickTime and do have Windows Media. Anyone who doesn't have either 
would still have the same installing issues, and anyone with 10.3.9 
or later and doesn't have Flip4Mac would have to install that.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 15 16:00:32 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:00:32 -0600
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand Open Source
Message-ID: <47B5FD70.2000107@hyperactivesw.com>

Some of you may know that my site has been the distribution point for 
the Shakobox PlayCommand Agent, written by Jonathan Bettencourt some 
years ago. This software allows Revolution to emulate the HyperCard 
"play" command on both Windows and Mac. HyperCard's "play" command is 
able to use scripted musical notation to play back songs on the fly. The 
PlayCommand Agent uses QuickTime to simulate what HyperCard could do 
natively.

Recently it was reported that the PlayCommand Agent does not work when 
more than 256 notes were scripted. Jon is no longer supporting the 
software, but given the recent problem, he has released the code as open 
source.

The info he posted to the HyperCard mailing list is below, and includes 
a link to the source code. I think it would be wonderful if someone 
would turn this into a Revolution external. I know that many people use 
PlayCommand Agent and would appreciate a more consolidated solution than 
the current one, which requires external files on disk and a few extra 
steps to get it working.

If anyone would like to take a stab at this, please let me know. I'd be 
happy to continue distributing updates; I think it would be a good idea 
to keep any new versions in a central location. Also, it has always been 
a free offering and we would like to keep it that way.

Jacque

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [HC] Shakobox/PlayCommand Open Source
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:11:37 -0800
From: <removed>
Reply-To: HyperCard at yahoogroups.com
To: HyperCard List <hypercard at yahoogroups.com>

I've decided to release the source code for the PlayCommand Agent
program that made playing HyperTalk note syntax using QuickTime
possible. It's available to download here:

http://www.kreativekorp.com/swdownload/legacy/hypercard/PlayCmdSrc.zip

If someone has experience with a) RealBasic, b) a *real* language, and
c) the QuickTime API, then please be my guest to port it, make it an
XCMD, etc. :)

You may distribute this message however you want. Post it on the Rev
list, for example.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 15 16:29:51 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:29:51 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <47B6044F.4050009@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Do the standard Rev calls work with WMV? CurrentTime, PlayStopped,
> etc? Didn't know that either.

Good question.  I had thought they did, but in v2.9dp3 there's a bug:

When using a player with dontuseQT true, the currentTime property can be 
both read and set.  But if you issue a "start player" command, it resets 
the player back to 0 before starting playback.   That effectively kills 
the option of doing a custom controller until that gets fixed. :(

For your voting pleasure:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5886


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 15 16:41:52 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:41:52 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <47B60720.7060104@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

> I think you're going to make life harder for yourselves in terms of 
> producing the WMVs, and you're willing to give up all Mac users with 
> systems prior to 10.3.9, just to save a few people a bit of 
> installing time.

By my math we're looking at the difference between the number of people 
running Windows vs. the number of Mac users running OS X versions prior 
to 10.3.9.

Do we have stats on how many OS X users haven't upgraded their systems 
since April 15, 2005, when 10.3.9 was first available?

And to refine that stat more relevantly for us app vendors, how many of 
those customers who won't update their OS for three years (missing a lot 
of critical bug and security fixes along the way) buy software at all?

10.3.8 was 14 releases ago.  That's a lot of enhancements to pass by....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Feb 15 16:41:14 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:41:14 +1100
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <20080215162004.5BD6E489B97@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C3DC522A.46A1%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

> Another issue you may wish to consider, is how powerful a machine the
> playback will be on. A recent cient of ours had to forgo the Flash
> solution in favor of QT because Flash is considerably more processor
> intensive than QT...by a lot.

This is apparently one of the reasons the iPhone doesn't support Flash.

Terry...



From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 16:48:21 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:48:21 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <47B60720.7060104@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B60720.7060104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc3dbb831a59a@[192.168.0.89]>

At 1:41 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>By my math we're looking at the difference between the number of 
>people running Windows vs. the number of Mac users running OS X 
>versions prior to 10.3.9.


No, that would be too one sided. You're really interested in the 
number of Windows users minus the ones that don't have QuickTime, and 
of the remainder you subtract the ones that don't have Windows Media 
installed. The ones left are the people that benefit from all your 
work to make it easy for WMV user who don't like QuickTime. I don't 
disagree that the number may be higher than the number of users who 
might buy you product to run on 10.1 - 10.3.8, but I'm factoring in 
all the effort you would have to go to, assuming you could control 
the WMV in the first place!


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 15 17:08:14 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:08:14 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <47B60D4E.4040208@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

 > At 1:41 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>By my math we're looking at the difference between the number of
 >>people running Windows vs. the number of Mac users running OS X
 >>versions prior to 10.3.9.
 >
 > No, that would be too one sided. You're really interested in the
 > number of Windows users minus the ones that don't have QuickTime, and
 > of the remainder you subtract the ones that don't have Windows Media
 > installed. The ones left are the people that benefit from all your
 > work to make it easy for WMV user who don't like QuickTime.

How much effort is it to use any of the dozens of automated conversion 
tools for making WMVs?  If we used Flash or any other format we'd still 
need a converter for the output; seems like a wash to me.

The QT controller is handy for many things, but for most of my apps we 
need a custom controller anyway:  We either need something simpler with 
larger buttons, or something more complex with multiple selections as 
opposed to QT's single one.

So even if we used QT as the format (as we do in some of our apps), we'd 
still be making a custom controller.  And besides, it's Rev:  a simple 
controller takes about 5 minutes to make, and a complex one just a few 
hours.

If you want to talk about level of effort, try trapping keyboard 
messages while a QT controller is active:  The dividing line between the 
various event loops of the OS, Rev, and the QT subsystem is a bit murky. ;)

A custom controller filters the mud from those waters, making event 
handling crystal clear.


 > I don't disagree that the number may be higher than the number of
 > users who might buy you product to run on 10.1 - 10.3.8, but I'm
 > factoring in all the effort you would have to go to, assuming you
 > could control the WMV in the first place!

For controlling non-QT media we have start, stop, looping, and 
currentTime.  While currentTime is currently broken in the beta, 
assuming we get that fixed in v2.9 RC1 that'll cover everything we need 
to make a wide variety of custom controllers.

Don't get me wrong:  I like QT, and ship a few apps dependent on it. 
We've filed the papers with Apple, and dutifully send them copies of our 
app as requested, and we're generally happy with it.

But I don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all solution to video 
playback at this time.  In our shop we have a few dozen university and 
hospital site licenses pending the removal of QT dependency from our app 
-- well worth the modest effort to make that happen.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb 15 17:12:49 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (=?utf-8?B?U2NvdHQgUm9zc2k=?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:12:49 +0000
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <C3DC522A.46A1%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <20080215162004.5BD6E489B97@mail.runrev.com><C3DC522A.46A1%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1648903208-1203113628-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1476232861-@bxe001.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-adobe-flash-support-coming-275317.php



Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:41:14 
To:use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?


> Another issue you may wish to consider, is how powerful a machine the
> playback will be on. A recent cient of ours had to forgo the Flash
> solution in favor of QT because Flash is considerably more processor
> intensive than QT...by a lot.

This is apparently one of the reasons the iPhone doesn't support Flash.

Terry...

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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 17:16:15 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:16:15 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <47B60D4E.4040208@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B60D4E.4040208@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080cc3dbbf0f41ad@[192.168.0.89]>

At 2:08 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>But I don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all solution to video 
>playback at this time.

I can agree with this, but would argue to have QuickTime and WMV 
versions, and not require Mac users to have to adapt to WMV. The 
Flash option does have the advantage of being cross platform, but it 
sounds like in Revolution it would be a browser element hack. Making 
Flash be native would be a good idea, then you can play Flash video 
on all machines, even the ones that don't have QuickTime, WMV, or 
Flash installed.



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri Feb 15 17:55:52 2008
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:55:52 -0800
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
Message-ID: <200802152255.m1FMtqd9010681@sddev.castandcrew.com>

FYI

PostgreSQL is free.

Sadhu



>............
>From: Hershel Fisch <hershf at rgllc.us>
>Subject: Re: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>> > Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>> >> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
>SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
>big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
>grows. I wanted to use PostgreSQL but I don?t find any body with it for a
>decent price
>>> >> 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 15 18:00:51 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:00:51 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <47B619A3.2010007@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:
 > At 2:08 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>But I don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all solution to video
 >>playback at this time.
 >
 > I can agree with this, but would argue to have QuickTime and WMV
 > versions, and not require Mac users to have to adapt to WMV.

Good for many apps, but in our case the CD is currently loaded with 
700MB of movies and data.  Replicating the content into two different 
formats isn't an option, and maintaining two sets of platform-specific 
CDs would raise our inventory management costs.


 > The Flash option does have the advantage of being cross platform,
 > but it sounds like in Revolution it would be a browser element hack.
 > Making Flash be native would be a good idea, then you can play Flash
 > video on all machines, even the ones that don't have QuickTime, WMV,
 > or Flash installed.

Or take it one step further:  can we simply have one non-proprietary 
format that can run everywhere?

What was the Motion Picture Group supposed to be working on?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 18:04:05 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:04:05 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <47B619A3.2010007@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B619A3.2010007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080dc3dbcac6007a@[192.168.0.89]>

At 3:00 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>What was the Motion Picture Group supposed to be working on?

That would be H264, which is where we started the conversation.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 15 18:15:44 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:15:44 -0800
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
Message-ID: <47B61D20.60208@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

> At 3:00 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>What was the Motion Picture Group supposed to be working on?
> 
> That would be H264, which is where we started the conversation.

Right.  I guess the nice thing about working at MPG is that they buy 
nice computers. ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 15 19:22:08 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:22:08 -0600
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc3dbcac6007a@192.168.0.89>
References: <47B619A3.2010007@fourthworld.com>
	<p0624080dc3dbcac6007a@192.168.0.89>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802151622s127ab01fx3fef08c8ea77059a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:
>
>
>  That would be H264, which is where we started the conversation.

Which still doesn't answer the Flash vs QT vs WMV issue. Not to
mention one needs a serious processor indeed to be able to run H264.
For someone concerned about enabling a Mac user 14 revs off the OS,
you may have successfully shot yourself in the foot here. I mean if
they're still using a non-updated version of Panther, then what sort
of hardware would they be using, and what makes you think they will
keep QT updated when they don't update their OS?

Oh yeah...Because it's free? Well then, so it the 10.3.9 update as
well, which will run WMVs. Let's see, with the Mac marketshare around
5%, and assuming the old non-updated Panther users are 2% of
that...what're we talking about? 37 users? ;-)


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Feb 15 19:58:41 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:58:41 +0000
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <001701c86ff0$878c9270$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001701c86ff0$878c9270$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <47B63541.4040609@anachreon.co.uk>

If you want to stick to a 'movie' format: You could package up the 
Theora codecs with your installer (for each OS) but you'd have to 
re-encode them for Theora (there's plenty of free apps that will do 
this). Theora may be 'new/beta'ish' but has been in solid use in some 
large projects for a couple of years.

This will then get QT or WMP and the default Linux player to play the 
movies, and you'd still have Rev control over them (via QT and WMP in 
their respective 'native' platforms).

I'm concerned with QT installs on Windows, principally due to Windows 
Updates breaking QT, which then needs to be patched up with its own updates.

Flip4Mac is a possible alternative install for OS X, but I've found 
performance drops severely with two or more simultaneous wmv files 
playing, something I don't notice with QT on OS X, even with ten mov 
files on the go.

Cheers,

Luis.


Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Thank you for your points, Stephen
> Tiemo
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Stephen Barncard
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 17:22
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: Flash or Quicktime?
>>
>> And another thing to think about:  Flash, Real, DIVX, whatever,
>> eventually will complain if the user's system needs an update on the
>> web, and they'll have  to download and install something sooner or
>> later. Example:  I just installed Leopard 10.5.2, that masssive thing
>> just released by Apple, yet going to a particular site, I got the
>> message to update to the 'latest' version of Flash.  I don't think
>> one can always reliably count on the OS to provide these tweezy
>> add-ons without upgrades. People who regularly use video on the web
>> are used to this.
>>
>> Remember all the garbage one had to do to get CNN streaming to work
>> when they started their new free service? It requres Java, FLASH
>> AND   Microsoft Media Player and  at one point required one to tweak
>> quicktime's plist  to get it to work.   I'm sure the difficulty in
>> use was due partly to the house of cards lashing of these
>> technologies -- all to force the user to use their stupid imbedded
>> player (and keep them from viewing full screen or open multiple
>> windows  (which one could do before with quicktime/wmv paid
>> 'Pipeline'.)
>>
>> Native, pure quicktime works really well by itself in its native formats.
>>
>> It's true; Iphones and I pods are expanding  the PC use of Quicktime
>> to the point where users accept it as much or more than any other
>> media add-on, such as DIVX.
>>
>> Quicktime has been around since the late 80's, concurrent with the
>> introduction of CD-Roms. It's the oldest, most mature computer media
>> technology that's around, with almost 20 years of development behind
>> it.
>>
>> Besides, using Quicktime will allow you take advantage of Trevor's
>> excellent and cross-platform Quicktime library!
>>
>> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/enhancedqt.php
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> You could make them as H264 based movies (with AAC sound), either
>>> .MOV or .MP4. Both would play fine via QuickTime, and both can play
>>> in the current Flash player. You could build it now as QuickTime
>>> only, and then change your mind later if you were still worried
>>> about people installing QuickTime.
>>>
>>> You know that all people who use iPhones or iPods with their PCs do
>>> have QuickTime installed? Even those with just iTunes do, so the
>>> number of people with QuickTime  installed is higher than you might
>>> think. Also, you can include the QuickTime installer on your DVD-ROM.
>> --
>>
>>
>> stephen barncard
>> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
>> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>>
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From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 20:00:03 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:00:03 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802151622s127ab01fx3fef08c8ea77059a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47B619A3.2010007@fourthworld.com>
	<p0624080dc3dbcac6007a@192.168.0.89>
	<7aa52a210802151622s127ab01fx3fef08c8ea77059a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0412F543-B66B-48CD-9835-B70E8D11D7EF@rcn.com>


On Feb 15, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> For someone concerned about enabling a Mac user 14 revs off the OS,
> you may have successfully shot yourself in the foot here

To be fair, it was an unlucky ricochet off of Richard forehead. I  
would argue though that if current machines can play full frame rate  
HD resolution, high data rate H264, most machines could cope with  
lower data rate 384x288 movies. But it is something that should be  
tested to make sure.


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Fri Feb 15 20:34:51 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:34:51 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <20080216010014.743404893D9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080216010014.743404893D9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4838F96E-A3C7-48EB-A4AE-9419ECE669C9@siphonophore.com>

except making a nicely compressed and good quality wmv file is pretty  
much an oxymoron... my old compression guru (been in the biz forever  
and a real artist) still snarls at me when i request wmv files... they  
never come out as nice or as small and the clients always ask why it  
doesnt look as good or play as well as the quicktime version...

unless you are doing HD H264, smaller h264 movies for cdroms and stuff  
play fine on older machines.

an odd aside, been finding lost of corp IT groups stripping flash  
player and plugin out of corp machines to stop video playing through  
browsers (too much executive youtubing at lunch)! some of these were  
fortune 500 companies! had to resort to wmv to get something to those  
folks as they left the wmp on the machines. guess they figured only  
the porn stuff would use the wmv files...


cheers,

jeff



On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> All that said, I don't know that there's a single the best choice; it
> really depends on the specific needs of the application and its target
> audience.  For many consumer apps using QT is just fine, and offers a
> lot of flexibility for the developer with little coding.



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 15 20:46:57 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:46:57 -0600
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <4838F96E-A3C7-48EB-A4AE-9419ECE669C9@siphonophore.com>
References: <20080216010014.743404893D9@mail.runrev.com>
	<4838F96E-A3C7-48EB-A4AE-9419ECE669C9@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802151746m1877708elcacc4f6383d45586@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Jeff Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com> wrote:
> except making a nicely compressed and good quality wmv file is pretty
>  much an oxymoron... my old compression guru (been in the biz forever
>  and a real artist) still snarls at me when i request wmv files... they
>  never come out as nice or as small and the clients always ask why it
>  doesnt look as good or play as well as the quicktime version...

Can't argue with that-- though with the crappy standard set by the
YouTube folks, one would have to say there's not much appreciation for
high quality compression these days. Frankly, after *trying* to watch
TV on the web, I'll take poor compression over the hiccups, stop and
starts, and overall lack-of-robustness of  the higher online
compressed video anyday. Though one to look out for is blip.tv. These
guys have better compression than the YouTube and it's clones.

Course, QuickTime has it all over WMV's as far as playback control is
concerned. Try advancing 'just one frame' using the standard WMP
controls.


From coiin at rcn.com  Fri Feb 15 20:47:11 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:47:11 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <4838F96E-A3C7-48EB-A4AE-9419ECE669C9@siphonophore.com>
References: <20080216010014.743404893D9@mail.runrev.com>
	<4838F96E-A3C7-48EB-A4AE-9419ECE669C9@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <27784E3D-A312-46B5-B1F2-D84CA967DAB3@rcn.com>


On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> except making a nicely compressed and good quality wmv file is  
> pretty much an oxymoron

To be fair, WMV9, On2VP6, and H264 are all comparable for quality,  
data rate, and CPU requirements.


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Feb 15 21:12:19 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:12:19 +1100
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <20080216010013.D1203489058@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C3DC91B3.46AD%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

> From: Scott Rossi

> Subject: Re: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-adobe-flash-support-coming-275317.php

More opinion...

http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/news_flash_no_flash
http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/flash_iphone_calculus

Terry...



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 04:00:47 2008
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:00:47 +0100
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0802160100y32e9ce11u8def64ff86a28702@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

It's been a while but still enjoying RR in my sparetime ;-)
A collegue of mine asked me if I could make an instruction clock with
movable arms.
He wants to us it with his Smartboard in his classroom to teach clocktimes.

I think I know how to drag an image but in a circle is not easy?
Then there is the issue of two clock arms and of course the middle of
the clock should stay fixed.

Can anyone give me a clue where and how to start?

Thanks.

Greetings from a cold but sunny Holland.

William de Smet


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 04:19:37 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:19:37 +1000
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0802160100y32e9ce11u8def64ff86a28702@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0802160100y32e9ce11u8def64ff86a28702@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802160119p2e4201ecy37090345397f7d94@mail.gmail.com>

>  It's been a while but still enjoying RR in my sparetime ;-)
>  A collegue of mine asked me if I could make an instruction clock with
>  movable arms.
>  He wants to us it with his Smartboard in his classroom to teach clocktimes.
>
>  I think I know how to drag an image but in a circle is not easy?
>  Then there is the issue of two clock arms and of course the middle of
>  the clock should stay fixed.
>
>  Can anyone give me a clue where and how to start?

This discussion might give you some ideas
<http://www.inspiredlogic.com/beautiful/clockface.html>
It shows vaious ways to display a clock with moving hands, but I
expect you could alter it to allow the hands to be dragged.


Cheers,
Sarah


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 04:32:03 2008
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:32:03 +0100
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802160119p2e4201ecy37090345397f7d94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0802160100y32e9ce11u8def64ff86a28702@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860802160119p2e4201ecy37090345397f7d94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0802160132v21cf5504s29c84c573de85241@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sarah,

Your suggestions looks like a working clock.
Maybe I should have been more specific.
My idea about it is hat I just draw a cirkel which suggests the clock.
I just want to show two clock hands which he can move clockwise so his
pupils can tell time.
I am looking for some scripting suggestions on how to move images in a circle.

greetings,

Wiliam

2008/2/16, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>:
> >  It's been a while but still enjoying RR in my sparetime ;-)
>  >  A collegue of mine asked me if I could make an instruction clock with
>  >  movable arms.
>  >  He wants to us it with his Smartboard in his classroom to teach clocktimes.
>  >
>  >  I think I know how to drag an image but in a circle is not easy?
>  >  Then there is the issue of two clock arms and of course the middle of
>  >  the clock should stay fixed.
>  >
>  >  Can anyone give me a clue where and how to start?
>
>
> This discussion might give you some ideas
>  <http://www.inspiredlogic.com/beautiful/clockface.html>
>  It shows vaious ways to display a clock with moving hands, but I
>  expect you could alter it to allow the hands to be dragged.
>
>
>  Cheers,
>  Sarah
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Feb 16 04:52:59 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:52:59 +0200
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <200802152255.m1FMtqd9010681@sddev.castandcrew.com>
References: <200802152255.m1FMtqd9010681@sddev.castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <47B6B27B.8070809@ekoinf.net>

from my experience mysql is faster than sqlite in joins, unless you 
manually optimise your sql queries for sqlite ;-), in most cases using 
subqueries. Plus mysql is multiuser  and omnipresent, which matters... 
To make sqlite multiuser you will have to implement your own database 
locking mechanism, or use tools that have it already implemented (like 
modsqlite for apache). Possibly valentina db is one of the best choices 
(and I am waiting for my valentine days license to test it without 
limitations :-) ), but if you buy hosting services, then I guess you are 
limited to mysql, sqlite and sometimes postrgresql (which people say is 
slower than mysql...).

Viktoras

Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:
> FYI
>
> PostgreSQL is free.
>
> Sadhu
>
>
>
>   
>> ............
>> From: Hershel Fisch <hershf at rgllc.us>
>> Subject: Re: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>
>>     
>>>> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>>> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
>>>>>>             
>> SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
>> big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
>> grows. I wanted to use PostgreSQL but I don?t find any body with it for a
>> decent price
>>     
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 05:05:18 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:05:18 -0800
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0802160132v21cf5504s29c84c573de85241@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3DBF55E.4C221%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I would start with 
     ballClock.rev by Scott Rossie
(try to ignore the beauty and get to the math)
You will see the use of points on a hidden object

then
TNT.rev also by Scott Rossi
this stack show the application of rotation

And you might like the drag-duplicate-snapshot technique
Chipp Walters used in

getInline.rev

then I would suggest you think of an image that is twice the length of the
visible clock hand so that rotation about the center would be the same as
the center of the clock.  This could be a group[visible hand, invisible
hand] with the group center in the middle of the clock.

The 'getinline' snapshot technique could allow the visual feedback of a
cursor indicating the destination time if the user was to release the mouse.

To get these stacks, open Rev, go to Documentation, click Search, then click
the center icon in the header of the window, select Web Database from the
drop down menu then type
"getinline" = the link to Chipp's web site
"ball clock" = the link to Scott's web site
"TNT" = the link to Scott's web site

Sounds like fun.

 Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On 2/16/08 1:32 AM, "William de Smet" <williamdesmet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Sarah,
> 
> Your suggestions looks like a working clock.
> Maybe I should have been more specific.
> My idea about it is hat I just draw a cirkel which suggests the clock.
> I just want to show two clock hands which he can move clockwise so his
> pupils can tell time.
> I am looking for some scripting suggestions on how to move images in a circle.
> 
> greetings,
> 
> Wiliam
> 
> 2008/2/16, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>:
>>>  It's been a while but still enjoying RR in my sparetime ;-)
>>>  A collegue of mine asked me if I could make an instruction clock with
>>>  movable arms.
>>>  He wants to us it with his Smartboard in his classroom to teach clocktimes.
>>> 
>>>  I think I know how to drag an image but in a circle is not easy?
>>>  Then there is the issue of two clock arms and of course the middle of
>>>  the clock should stay fixed.
>>> 
>>>  Can anyone give me a clue where and how to start?
>> 
>> 
>> This discussion might give you some ideas
>>  <http://www.inspiredlogic.com/beautiful/clockface.html>
>>  It shows vaious ways to display a clock with moving hands, but I
>>  expect you could alter it to allow the hands to be dragged.
>> 
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>>  Sarah
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 05:10:51 2008
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:10:51 +0100
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
In-Reply-To: <C3DBF55E.4C221%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <b016f13e0802160132v21cf5504s29c84c573de85241@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DBF55E.4C221%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0802160210y79aabe66rbce06d18a69f97a5@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, thanks Jim!
I will get to that later today/tonight probably.

greetings,

William

2008/2/16, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>:
> I would start with
>      ballClock.rev by Scott Rossie
> (try to ignore the beauty and get to the math)
> You will see the use of points on a hidden object
>
> then
> TNT.rev also by Scott Rossi
> this stack show the application of rotation
>
> And you might like the drag-duplicate-snapshot technique
> Chipp Walters used in
>
> getInline.rev
>
> then I would suggest you think of an image that is twice the length of the
> visible clock hand so that rotation about the center would be the same as
> the center of the clock.  This could be a group[visible hand, invisible
> hand] with the group center in the middle of the clock.
>
> The 'getinline' snapshot technique could allow the visual feedback of a
> cursor indicating the destination time if the user was to release the mouse.
>
> To get these stacks, open Rev, go to Documentation, click Search, then click
> the center icon in the header of the window, select Web Database from the
> drop down menu then type
> "getinline" = the link to Chipp's web site
> "ball clock" = the link to Scott's web site
> "TNT" = the link to Scott's web site
>
> Sounds like fun.
>
>  Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
> On 2/16/08 1:32 AM, "William de Smet" <williamdesmet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Sarah,
> >
> > Your suggestions looks like a working clock.
> > Maybe I should have been more specific.
> > My idea about it is hat I just draw a cirkel which suggests the clock.
> > I just want to show two clock hands which he can move clockwise so his
> > pupils can tell time.
> > I am looking for some scripting suggestions on how to move images in a circle.
> >
> > greetings,
> >
> > Wiliam
> >
> > 2008/2/16, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>:
> >>>  It's been a while but still enjoying RR in my sparetime ;-)
> >>>  A collegue of mine asked me if I could make an instruction clock with
> >>>  movable arms.
> >>>  He wants to us it with his Smartboard in his classroom to teach clocktimes.
> >>>
> >>>  I think I know how to drag an image but in a circle is not easy?
> >>>  Then there is the issue of two clock arms and of course the middle of
> >>>  the clock should stay fixed.
> >>>
> >>>  Can anyone give me a clue where and how to start?
> >>
> >>
> >> This discussion might give you some ideas
> >>  <http://www.inspiredlogic.com/beautiful/clockface.html>
> >>  It shows vaious ways to display a clock with moving hands, but I
> >>  expect you could alter it to allow the hands to be dragged.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Cheers,
> >>  Sarah
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From rmicout at online.fr  Sat Feb 16 06:14:47 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:14:47 +0100
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand Open Source
In-Reply-To: <47B5FD70.2000107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <47B5FD70.2000107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AADAA56B-F1CF-4312-9E6A-1C4CB3EE3F45@online.fr>

Some pr?cisions about that. With this handler :

on mouseUp
   repeat for 300
     SBstartNote 1,60,80 -- 1 = piano, 60 = C
     wait 10 ticks
     SBstopNote 1,60
   end repeat
end mouseUp

all is good. But with this other one :

on mouseUp
   repeat for 300
     SBstartNote 1,60,80	
   end repeat
end mouseUp

we can't heard more than 256 sounds.

Ren? from Paris

Le 15 f?vr. 08 ? 22:00, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Some of you may know that my site has been the distribution point  
> for the Shakobox PlayCommand Agent, written by Jonathan Bettencourt  
> some years ago. This software allows Revolution to emulate the  
> HyperCard "play" command on both Windows and Mac. HyperCard's  
> "play" command is able to use scripted musical notation to play  
> back songs on the fly. The PlayCommand Agent uses QuickTime to  
> simulate what HyperCard could do natively.
>
> Recently it was reported that the PlayCommand Agent does not work  
> when more than 256 notes were scripted. Jon is no longer supporting  
> the software, but given the recent problem, he has released the  
> code as open source.
>
> The info he posted to the HyperCard mailing list is below, and  
> includes a link to the source code. I think it would be wonderful  
> if someone would turn this into a Revolution external. I know that  
> many people use PlayCommand Agent and would appreciate a more  
> consolidated solution than the current one, which requires external  
> files on disk and a few extra steps to get it working.
>
> If anyone would like to take a stab at this, please let me know.  
> I'd be happy to continue distributing updates; I think it would be  
> a good idea to keep any new versions in a central location. Also,  
> it has always been a free offering and we would like to keep it  
> that way.
>
> Jacque
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> I've decided to release the source code for the PlayCommand Agent
> program that made playing HyperTalk note syntax using QuickTime
> possible. It's available to download here:
>
> http://www.kreativekorp.com/swdownload/legacy/hypercard/PlayCmdSrc.zip
>
> If someone has experience with a) RealBasic, b) a *real* language, and
> c) the QuickTime API, then please be my guest to port it, make it an
> XCMD, etc. :)
>
> You may distribute this message however you want. Post it on the Rev
> list, for example.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Feb 16 07:21:19 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:21:19 +0100
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand Open Source
In-Reply-To: <AADAA56B-F1CF-4312-9E6A-1C4CB3EE3F45@online.fr>
References: <47B5FD70.2000107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AADAA56B-F1CF-4312-9E6A-1C4CB3EE3F45@online.fr>
Message-ID: <69D181DD-C660-40D7-83C8-77ADCE17793C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Ren?,

I think that the problem comes from the fact that sounds actually may  
overlap in your second proposal.
Add a 'wait until the sound is "done" instead of a fixed value (10  
ms) in your first proposal and all should be fine in all cases.

Le 16 f?vr. 08 ? 12:14, Ren? Micout a ?crit :

> Some pr?cisions about that. With this handler :
>
> on mouseUp
>   repeat for 300
>     SBstartNote 1,60,80 -- 1 = piano, 60 = C
>     wait 10 ticks
>     SBstopNote 1,60
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
> all is good. But with this other one :
>
> on mouseUp
>   repeat for 300
>     SBstartNote 1,60,80	
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
> we can't heard more than 256 sounds.
>
> Ren? from Paris
>
> Le 15 f?vr. 08 ? 22:00, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :
>
>> Some of you may know that my site has been the distribution point  
>> for the Shakobox PlayCommand Agent, written by Jonathan  
>> Bettencourt some years ago. This software allows Revolution to  
>> emulate the HyperCard "play" command on both Windows and Mac.  
>> HyperCard's "play" command is able to use scripted musical  
>> notation to play back songs on the fly. The PlayCommand Agent uses  
>> QuickTime to simulate what HyperCard could do natively.
>>
>> Recently it was reported that the PlayCommand Agent does not work  
>> when more than 256 notes were scripted. Jon is no longer  
>> supporting the software, but given the recent problem, he has  
>> released the code as open source.
>>
>> The info he posted to the HyperCard mailing list is below, and  
>> includes a link to the source code. I think it would be wonderful  
>> if someone would turn this into a Revolution external. I know that  
>> many people use PlayCommand Agent and would appreciate a more  
>> consolidated solution than the current one, which requires  
>> external files on disk and a few extra steps to get it working.
>>
>> If anyone would like to take a stab at this, please let me know.  
>> I'd be happy to continue distributing updates; I think it would be  
>> a good idea to keep any new versions in a central location. Also,  
>> it has always been a free offering and we would like to keep it  
>> that way.
>>
>> Jacque
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> I've decided to release the source code for the PlayCommand Agent
>> program that made playing HyperTalk note syntax using QuickTime
>> possible. It's available to download here:
>>
>> http://www.kreativekorp.com/swdownload/legacy/hypercard/ 
>> PlayCmdSrc.zip
>>
>> If someone has experience with a) RealBasic, b) a *real* language,  
>> and
>> c) the QuickTime API, then please be my guest to port it, make it an
>> XCMD, etc. :)
>>
>> You may distribute this message however you want. Post it on the Rev
>> list, for example.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From rmicout at online.fr  Sat Feb 16 08:03:58 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:03:58 +0100
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand Open Source
In-Reply-To: <69D181DD-C660-40D7-83C8-77ADCE17793C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <47B5FD70.2000107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AADAA56B-F1CF-4312-9E6A-1C4CB3EE3F45@online.fr>
	<69D181DD-C660-40D7-83C8-77ADCE17793C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <B3C35DED-0553-4203-8EAD-4C69AD9D6573@online.fr>

?ric,
Thank you for that, and also for "Guides Picker" (on ne le dira  
jamais assez !) et merci pour "Tout pour HyperCard"
Ren?

Le 16 f?vr. 08 ? 13:21, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Bonjour Ren?,
>
> I think that the problem comes from the fact that sounds actually  
> may overlap in your second proposal.
> Add a 'wait until the sound is "done" instead of a fixed value (10  
> ms) in your first proposal and all should be fine in all cases.
>
> Le 16 f?vr. 08 ? 12:14, Ren? Micout a ?crit :
>
>> Some pr?cisions about that. With this handler :
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   repeat for 300
>>     SBstartNote 1,60,80 -- 1 = piano, 60 = C
>>     wait 10 ticks
>>     SBstopNote 1,60
>>   end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> all is good. But with this other one :
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   repeat for 300
>>     SBstartNote 1,60,80	
>>   end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> we can't heard more than 256 sounds.
>>
>> Ren? from Paris
>>
>> Le 15 f?vr. 08 ? 22:00, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :
>>
>>> Some of you may know that my site has been the distribution point  
>>> for the Shakobox PlayCommand Agent, written by Jonathan  
>>> Bettencourt some years ago. This software allows Revolution to  
>>> emulate the HyperCard "play" command on both Windows and Mac.  
>>> HyperCard's "play" command is able to use scripted musical  
>>> notation to play back songs on the fly. The PlayCommand Agent  
>>> uses QuickTime to simulate what HyperCard could do natively.
>>>
>>> Recently it was reported that the PlayCommand Agent does not work  
>>> when more than 256 notes were scripted. Jon is no longer  
>>> supporting the software, but given the recent problem, he has  
>>> released the code as open source.
>>>
>>> The info he posted to the HyperCard mailing list is below, and  
>>> includes a link to the source code. I think it would be wonderful  
>>> if someone would turn this into a Revolution external. I know  
>>> that many people use PlayCommand Agent and would appreciate a  
>>> more consolidated solution than the current one, which requires  
>>> external files on disk and a few extra steps to get it working.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to take a stab at this, please let me know.  
>>> I'd be happy to continue distributing updates; I think it would  
>>> be a good idea to keep any new versions in a central location.  
>>> Also, it has always been a free offering and we would like to  
>>> keep it that way.
>>>
>>> Jacque
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>> I've decided to release the source code for the PlayCommand Agent
>>> program that made playing HyperTalk note syntax using QuickTime
>>> possible. It's available to download here:
>>>
>>> http://www.kreativekorp.com/swdownload/legacy/hypercard/ 
>>> PlayCmdSrc.zip
>>>
>>> If someone has experience with a) RealBasic, b) a *real*  
>>> language, and
>>> c) the QuickTime API, then please be my guest to port it, make it an
>>> XCMD, etc. :)
>>>
>>> You may distribute this message however you want. Post it on the Rev
>>> list, for example.
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Sat Feb 16 08:20:06 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:20:06 +0100
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc3dbcac6007a@[192.168.0.89]>
Message-ID: <001701c8709e$a65a0440$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

I am still a little bit puzzled with the technical background of H264.
The QT7 player should support H264, but do I need a separate H264 codec
installer to encode? It seems there are different suppliers for this codec?
Which one is the best and where do I get it from? Can I use it in Sorenson
squeeze or discreet cleaner XL? Up to now, my squeeze just offers me H261
and H263 to encode MOVs and my cleaner has the H264 option to encode MOVs,
but stops working when choosing. So I think I have to install the H264
codec, but which one?
Questions, questions, questions :)
Thanks for any help
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Colin Holgate
> Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Februar 2008 00:04
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> At 3:00 PM -0800 2/15/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >What was the Motion Picture Group supposed to be working on?
> 
> That would be H264, which is where we started the conversation.
> 
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Feb 16 08:56:21 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:56:21 +0100
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <47B60D4E.4040208@fourthworld.com>
References: <47B60D4E.4040208@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9EF5C284-C28A-454B-B5A6-DACB57406EEC@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> How much effort is it to use any of the dozens of automated  
> conversion tools for making WMVs?  If we used Flash or any other  
> format we'd still need a converter for the output; seems like a  
> wash to me.



With Desk Doctor (www.einspine.com) the neurologist I worked with  
converted
the H264 files to WMV files using flip4mac. I think it might be  
called 'Compressor'.

Over 100 videos, nothing very long , with backgrounds added by using  
blue screen.

We went with WMV for Windows and H264 for OS X. Makes for more work  
in the long
run but each project requires individual approaches. Richard's most  
excellent medical
app seems to have stringent admin requirements so his approach (WMVs  
& flip4mac)
makes lots of sense to me.

My problem has been that Rev 8.1 doesn't seem to like WMVs so the app  
is STUCK at
Rev 2.6. Rev 2.9 FIXES the playing of WMV via player objects.

I HOPE 2.9 ARRIVES SOON  ;-)

sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ClipaSearch Pro
http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat Feb 16 09:20:04 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:20:04 +0200
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <47B6B27B.8070809@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <C3DCBDB4.8E6BB%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 16/2/08 11:52 AM, "viktoras didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:

Hi Victoras,

> from my experience mysql is faster than sqlite in joins, unless you
> manually optimise your sql queries for sqlite ;-), in most cases using
> subqueries. 

I am ready to see example :-)
If you want on Valentina list.

> Plus mysql is multiuser  and omnipresent, which matters...

right

> To make sqlite multiuser you will have to implement your own database
> locking mechanism, or use tools that have it already implemented (like
> modsqlite for apache).

> Possibly valentina db is one of the best choices
> (and I am waiting for my valentine days license to test it without
> limitations :-) ), but if you buy hosting services, then I guess you are
> limited to mysql, sqlite and sometimes postrgresql (which people say is
> slower than mysql...).

That is right, 

It seems that all depend on users tasks. I did have feedbacks from Valentina
developers that yes Postgre comparing to mySQL is much slow (in times). But
not so far I have hear opinion that Postgre (latest?) did win mySQL on
joins.

So keep always in mind that DB tasks can be VERY different. For some tasks
one dbms can be better, for other tasks another. It is good, as army
soldier, to have skills with few kinds of weapon :-)

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From coiin at rcn.com  Sat Feb 16 09:42:51 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:42:51 -0500
Subject: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <001701c8709e$a65a0440$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001701c8709e$a65a0440$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <045F37CA-DF55-49CD-8182-3C36B97CD4D5@rcn.com>


On Feb 16, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> I am still a little bit puzzled with the technical background of H264.
> The QT7 player should support H264, but do I need a separate H264  
> codec
> installer to encode?


To export out of QuickTime Player at all you would need to have paid  
for QuickTime Pro, or be using a program that had a QuickTime export  
option (iMovie for example). H264 became an option when QuickTime 7  
came out, you wouldn't have to install anything extra to get it to work.

Your Sorenson Squeeze may have been an earlier version, or it may be  
because H264 is competition to the Sorenson codecs and it's not  
featured because of that. I have version 4.5 on my machine, and it  
does do H264.

The batch program someone mentioned was called Compression Master.  
It's an alternative to Sorenson Squeeze, and is able to export to  
Flash 8 video (that's the On2VP6 one, if you have paid for the extra  
Flash module), WMV, any QuickTime format, and others. It had a name  
change a while ago and is now known as Episode. It's not cheap though.  
If you just want to batch compress to WMV there are cheaper options.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Sat Feb 16 10:05:42 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:05:42 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <045F37CA-DF55-49CD-8182-3C36B97CD4D5@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002001c870ad$66982800$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks for clarifying it, I have to investigate, why it's not working with
my compression tools (also squeeze 4.5)
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Colin Holgate
> Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Februar 2008 15:43
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: Flash or Quicktime?
> 
> 
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > I am still a little bit puzzled with the technical background of H264.
> > The QT7 player should support H264, but do I need a separate H264
> > codec
> > installer to encode?
> 
> 
> To export out of QuickTime Player at all you would need to have paid
> for QuickTime Pro, or be using a program that had a QuickTime export
> option (iMovie for example). H264 became an option when QuickTime 7
> came out, you wouldn't have to install anything extra to get it to work.
> 
> Your Sorenson Squeeze may have been an earlier version, or it may be
> because H264 is competition to the Sorenson codecs and it's not
> featured because of that. I have version 4.5 on my machine, and it
> does do H264.
> 
> The batch program someone mentioned was called Compression Master.
> It's an alternative to Sorenson Squeeze, and is able to export to
> Flash 8 video (that's the On2VP6 one, if you have paid for the extra
> Flash module), WMV, any QuickTime format, and others. It had a name
> change a while ago and is now known as Episode. It's not cheap though.
> If you just want to batch compress to WMV there are cheaper options.
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Feb 16 12:55:14 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:55:14 -0600
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
In-Reply-To: <C3DBF55E.4C221%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <b016f13e0802160132v21cf5504s29c84c573de85241@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DBF55E.4C221%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802160955u64a1ce32mfca75bda0afc8e8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

I don't remember getinline, and I can't find it in the web links for
Rev help. Do you have more information on it?

best,

Chipp

On Feb 16, 2008 4:05 AM, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> And you might like the drag-duplicate-snapshot technique
> Chipp Walters used in
>
> getInline.rev


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 16 12:59:16 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:59:16 -0600
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand Open Source
In-Reply-To: <69D181DD-C660-40D7-83C8-77ADCE17793C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <47B5FD70.2000107@hyperactivesw.com>	<AADAA56B-F1CF-4312-9E6A-1C4CB3EE3F45@online.fr>
	<69D181DD-C660-40D7-83C8-77ADCE17793C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47B72474.6020408@hyperactivesw.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Bonjour Ren?,
> 
> I think that the problem comes from the fact that sounds actually may 
> overlap in your second proposal.
> Add a 'wait until the sound is "done" instead of a fixed value (10 ms) 
> in your first proposal and all should be fine in all cases.

I think your diagnosis is correct. The only thing I would add is that 
"wait until the sound is done" probably won't work, because Rev doesn't 
know that any sound is playing. The playback is done from the 
PlayCommand Agent application, which doesn't communicate back to Rev. 
So, waiting a few ticks is probably the right approach.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 16:04:26 2008
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:04:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
Message-ID: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?

Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle placing
multiline data into your list structure?

And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?

Thanks in advance for your responses.


      ____________________________________________________________________________________
Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 16:16:38 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:16:38 -0800
Subject: Any sugguestions on movable clock arms?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802160955u64a1ce32mfca75bda0afc8e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3DC92B6.4C238%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Ooops, I have folders name 'Chipp' and 'Rossie' and got confused about
authorship, plus I was misled by entering

"getin" for the search > Altuit

when I needed to do
"get in line" for the search > Tactile Media

--------
Get In Line 122k (right/control click to download)
A demonstration stack that illustrates:
- drag-reordering of lists with translucent effect
- line item removal/deletion
-------------
Sorry about the misdirection.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On 2/16/08 9:55 AM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> I don't remember getinline, and I can't find it in the web links for
> Rev help. Do you have more information on it?
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb 16 16:46:12 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:46:12 -0800
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
Message-ID: <47B759A4.6090301@fourthworld.com>

Russell Martin wrote:
> So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
> that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?
> 
> Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle placing
> multiline data into your list structure?
> 
> And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
> your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
> perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?

The solution will depend on the problem.

What do you want to do?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Feb 16 16:51:54 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:51:54 +0200
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
In-Reply-To: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47B75AFA.70702@ekoinf.net>

working with lists is much much faster. XML is just plain flat text file 
with more text to process. If you have large and complex dataset with 
items, children items their relations and properties, then it is more 
efficient to use relational database for data storage and retrieval... 
XML suits best to present data stored elsewhere it is rather like 
"document on steroids" or "interactive document" or "communication/data 
exchange protocol" that can be formatted, trasformed or scripted itself 
(e.g. XHTML) to present data in different ways.

Although it is fashionable to use XML everywhere, including data 
storage, i would tolerate it only in those cases where you have 
relatively small amount of complex data. E.g. like rss feeds that are 
usually limited to 10-15 items. For large amounts of simple data in form 
of key-value pairs ordinary list is possibly the best solution. In all 
other cases use real databases.

The perfect delimiter is tab :-). If you use list and data already 
contains tabs, then before populating the list replace tab with some 
unlikely combination of symbol(s) like "\t" and replace those back to 
tab when retrieving data. Same can be done with multiline data - replace 
return with e.g "\n" for storage and then replace "\n" with return for 
displaying. If you go with relational databases (sqlite, valentina 
etc...) there will be no problems because you won't need to deal with 
any field delimiters then (except those cases where you have to import 
data from delimited text file).

All the best
Viktoras


Russell Martin wrote:
> So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
> that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?
>
> Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle placing
> multiline data into your list structure?
>
> And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
> your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
> perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?
>
> Thanks in advance for your responses.
>
>
>       ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Feb 16 17:00:33 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:00:33 -0800
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
In-Reply-To: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240813c3dd0cf9be89@[192.168.1.70]>

consider URLEncode/Decode   (see the docs)

also one can use Base64Encode if one strips out the CRs. The CRs are 
not needed for decode.

also one could consider replacing returns with VT  (vertical tabs) 
12 dec (I think)


>So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
>that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?
>
>Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle placing
>multiline data into your list structure?
>
>And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
>your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
>perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?
>
>Thanks in advance for your responses.
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From katir at hindu.org  Sat Feb 16 17:26:54 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:26:54 -1000
Subject: Issuing "sudo" cmds + password from Rev Scripts
Message-ID: <47B7632E.6060005@hindu.org>

I've been bitten very hard recently with Apple's new quarantine bit set 
in extended attributes for downloaded files. I used to be able to open 
20-40 text files that I might receive from a remote correspondent, in 
BBedit in one go and spellcheck them rapidly... Now I get the dread 
"This is a web application downloaded from the internet...."  I click 
"OK" and only the first of the selected files open.

It is possible to set up folder actions with apple script to apply:

sudo xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Downloads

to all incoming downloads saved that folder. One can also drop into 
terminal and work on the cmd line... very inefficient..  I would like to 
make a little Rev utility to run against an existing file set that may 
have been moved or saved to a different location.

How do does one deal, from within a Rev script, with the shell 
requirement to enter the password before sudo executes? I saw an earlier 
thread where one might approach this by doing it thru apples script. 
Does that mean it's not possible with transcript alone?

Or perhaps someone knows of such a utility already? I can't find one on 
the net and people are complaining about this as recently as Jan 20th... 
It will be a simple matter to set up a drag and drop button that gets a 
path and runs the cmd against all files in a folder... but I need a way 
to supply the password...








From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Feb 16 17:36:36 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:36:36 +0100
Subject: Issuing "sudo" cmds + password from Rev Scripts
In-Reply-To: <47B7632E.6060005@hindu.org>
References: <47B7632E.6060005@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <99E795BD-36BD-43B2-A6FF-CDC9A1E087F0@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

A nice way to do this is to use AppleScript:

do shell script "a shell command here" with administrator privileges

and another way is to pipe the password. Here is an example that  
empties the trash:

on mouseUp
   ask "Enter your password"
   if it is not empty then
     put it into myPW
     put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into myScript
     put "pw=" & quote & myPW & quote & cr after myScript
     put "echo $pw | sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*" & cr after myScript
     put shell(myScript) into myCheck  -- do the command & get the  
result
   end if
end mouseUp

Unfortunately, you will have to make a password dialog window to do  
this correctly.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 16-feb-2008, om 23:26 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven:

> I've been bitten very hard recently with Apple's new quarantine bit  
> set in extended attributes for downloaded files. I used to be able  
> to open 20-40 text files that I might receive from a remote  
> correspondent, in BBedit in one go and spellcheck them rapidly...  
> Now I get the dread "This is a web application downloaded from the  
> internet...."  I click "OK" and only the first of the selected  
> files open.
>
> It is possible to set up folder actions with apple script to apply:
>
> sudo xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Downloads
>
> to all incoming downloads saved that folder. One can also drop into  
> terminal and work on the cmd line... very inefficient..  I would  
> like to make a little Rev utility to run against an existing file  
> set that may have been moved or saved to a different location.
>
> How do does one deal, from within a Rev script, with the shell  
> requirement to enter the password before sudo executes? I saw an  
> earlier thread where one might approach this by doing it thru  
> apples script. Does that mean it's not possible with transcript alone?
>
> Or perhaps someone knows of such a utility already? I can't find  
> one on the net and people are complaining about this as recently as  
> Jan 20th... It will be a simple matter to set up a drag and drop  
> button that gets a path and runs the cmd against all files in a  
> folder... but I need a way to supply the password...
>
>


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 17:37:11 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:37:11 +1000
Subject: Issuing "sudo" cmds + password from Rev Scripts
In-Reply-To: <47B7632E.6060005@hindu.org>
References: <47B7632E.6060005@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802161437p797cd332x39d8334ba3976f39@mail.gmail.com>

> How do does one deal, from within a Rev script, with the shell
> requirement to enter the password before sudo executes? I saw an earlier
> thread where one might approach this by doing it thru apples script.
> Does that mean it's not possible with transcript alone?

It is possible to do this without AppleScript. Here is an example script:

-- build the command lines
 put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into tScript
 put "pw=" & quote & tPass & quote & cr after tScript
 put "echo $pw | sudo -S " & tShellCommand & cr after tScript
 -- do the command & get the result
 put shell(tScript) into tCheck

Just set the variables tPass & tShellCommand and check the value in
tCheck when finished.
You will neeed to ask for the password at least once, but then it
should be able to process whatever you need.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat Feb 16 18:17:37 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:17:37 -0500
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <20080216180006.338FD489B7E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080216180006.338FD489B7E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9B464A24-AD28-41A8-B500-C75540D25497@siphonophore.com>

Sorry, beg to differ, we consistently come up with much better and  
smaller qt h264 files than wmv9. this may be because our compression  
guy has a lot of tricks that he can do to make qt stuff really shine.  
hes been at this for like 20 years and has lots of secret sauces that  
work great with qt, but not with wmv. to his credit he does bang on  
wmv a lot to try and get it looking at good as possible, but just  
never does a well as qt. if you just port from a program to qt and wmv  
you might get comparable stuff, but there are lots of compression  
tricks that can make things smaller and prettier (sorry the  
compression guy wont let his sekrets out, its his biz, if he told me  
he would have to kill me). I know a few that help, but he really does  
better than i do when he gets at it!

jeff

On Feb 16, 2008, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>> except making a nicely compressed and good quality wmv file is
>> pretty much an oxymoron
>
> To be fair, WMV9, On2VP6, and H264 are all comparable for quality,
> data rate, and CPU requirements.



From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb 16 19:22:52 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:22:52 +0100
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
In-Reply-To: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>

If no one else needs to read your files, you can use return delimited  
lists, and enter htmltext there. Rev doesn't care if there's returns  
between the </p><p> tags, so you can just strip it. Added bonus:  
Styled text is preserved.


On 16 Feb 2008, at 22:04, Russell Martin wrote:

> So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
> that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?
>
> Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle  
> placing
> multiline data into your list structure?
>
> And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
> your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
> perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?


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From john at debraneys.com  Sat Feb 16 19:35:24 2008
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:35:24 +1100
Subject: SSL and FTP connections with Rev?
In-Reply-To: <F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000001c870fc$fea36610$fbea3230$@com>

Hi again,

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to create an SSL connection to an FTP
server using Rev's built in ftp commands? I have checked the docs but they
make no mention of SSL as an option.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards

John Tregea





From mfstuart at cox.net  Sat Feb 16 19:37:26 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:37:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How do I create a group of buttons on the fly
Message-ID: <15519011.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

How do I approach the following?:

I'm trying to create a menu system similar to the "shortcutbar" of MS
Outlook 2003, the group of buttons at the bottom left: Mail, Calendar,
Contacts, etc.

This will be a menu system that the admin user of the system can configure
themselves. So the number of buttons depends on how the admin user sets up
the system for each user.
The saved menu system will be read from a SQL table, so I'll know how many
"shortcut" menu items there will be.
This menu system will be created on the fly in the preOpenStack (I assume)
after the user has logged in from a previous stack. (I'll know the user id
and which menu system has been assigned to them)

So far, I've played around with the "create button" script that then places
the button in the same loc of a rectangle I have already placed at the
bottom left of the stack.
But I also need to create the other x number of buttons under each other,
and position all of them appropriately for correct display of this menu
system. Also set the geometry of the rectangle and the buttons for resizing.
Next, I'll have to create the scripts into each button for loading the
submenu options.

Anybody got any suggestions or have a demo stack on this?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com  Sat Feb 16 19:43:30 2008
From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:43:30 -0800
Subject: selecting lines in a field
Message-ID: <44571925-CBE2-4202-A039-FD11AC21458F@doctortimothyMiller.com>

Hi,

After all these years, still a beginner... sigh...

A multi-line field. Locked. Focusable. Autohilite and listbehavior  
are true. Normally, I'd turn on "multi-line" and "non-continguous"  
and I'd be good to go. Later on, a script will get the hilitedlines  
of this field.

Except...

I use "---" as a separator, and some lines are deliberately blank,  
for the sake of readability.

If I click on "---" or a blank line, I'd like to leave that line un- 
hilited, without disturbing the other hilitedlines in the field.

--also--

Line 1 = "Clear"

If I click on line 1, I'd like to set all the hilitedlines to false,  
including the hilite of line 1.

I think I know the necessary commands and properties, though one  
can't be certain in my case. I've realized I might need to turn off  
the mulit-line or non-contiguous property and script some field  
behavior manually. I've tried various possibilities by trial and  
error, but I can't seem to put the pieces together. Now I'm stuck.

Please advise.

Thanks in advance,


Tim


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Feb 17 01:33:47 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:33:47 -0600
Subject: Flash or Quicktime?
In-Reply-To: <9B464A24-AD28-41A8-B500-C75540D25497@siphonophore.com>
References: <20080216180006.338FD489B7E@mail.runrev.com>
	<9B464A24-AD28-41A8-B500-C75540D25497@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802162233o3f9f34cgff2aa0ced57c7af4@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 16, 2008 5:17 PM, Jeff Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com> wrote:
>
> (sorry the
> compression guy wont let his sekrets out, its his biz, if he told me
> he would have to kill me).


Yeah, I used to know a few folks like that.

I certainly understand someone's desire to protect intellectual property,
but c'mon, compression techniques? Geez. My company was the first to create
over 7 hours of digital video on a single commercial CD-ROM, and I shared
that technique with anyone who asked.

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Feb 17 02:13:07 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:13:07 -0600
Subject: How do I create a group of buttons on the fly
In-Reply-To: <15519011.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15519011.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802162313l26f7b2f0h9651ad7928f51956@mail.gmail.com>

Not using Outlook 2003, let's ask some questions first. Are there a finite
number of buttons and do you already know what they are? If so, then create
them all and just show or hide them on your preOpenCard script. This way you
don't have to create buttons and add scripts on the fly.

If you're having to manage their location on resize, then you'll need to
write you own resizeStack handler. There are quite a few good thread on this
already. If the order of the buttons are to change, then keep them all in a
single group and set the loc of the group in the resizeHandler, so you don't
have to worry about which button goes where.

HTH, Chipp


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Feb 17 05:52:42 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:52:42 +0100
Subject: selecting lines in a field
In-Reply-To: <44571925-CBE2-4202-A039-FD11AC21458F@doctortimothyMiller.com>
References: <44571925-CBE2-4202-A039-FD11AC21458F@doctortimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <FBF92360-95DD-4AA0-A448-7115B92B834C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tim,

Assuming a field I put in:

Clear
---
Choice 1
Choice 2
Choice 3
---
Choice 4
Choice 5
etc.

And in the script of the field:

on mouseDown
   local tHilitedLines
   -----
   lock screen
   put the hilitedLines of me into tHilitedLines
   if tHilitedLines = 1 then
     set the hilitedLines of me to empty
     -- clear
   else
     repeat with i = the number of items in tHilitedLines down to 1
       if line (item i of tHilitedLines) of me = "---" then
         delete item i of tHilitedLines
       end if
     end repeat
     set the hilitedLines of me to tHilitedLines
   end if
   unlock screen
end mouseDown

Hope this helps.
BTW if the above works, I'm not sure it's really compliant with usual  
guidelines on any platform ;-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 17 f?vr. 08 ? 01:43, Timothy Miller a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> After all these years, still a beginner... sigh...
>
> A multi-line field. Locked. Focusable. Autohilite and listbehavior  
> are true. Normally, I'd turn on "multi-line" and "non-continguous"  
> and I'd be good to go. Later on, a script will get the hilitedlines  
> of this field.
>
> Except...
>
> I use "---" as a separator, and some lines are deliberately blank,  
> for the sake of readability.
>
> If I click on "---" or a blank line, I'd like to leave that line un- 
> hilited, without disturbing the other hilitedlines in the field.
>
> --also--
>
> Line 1 = "Clear"
>
> If I click on line 1, I'd like to set all the hilitedlines to  
> false, including the hilite of line 1.
>
> I think I know the necessary commands and properties, though one  
> can't be certain in my case. I've realized I might need to turn off  
> the mulit-line or non-contiguous property and script some field  
> behavior manually. I've tried various possibilities by trial and  
> error, but I can't seem to put the pieces together. Now I'm stuck.
>
> Please advise.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tim

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From wow at together.net  Sun Feb 17 07:07:06 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:07:06 -0500
Subject: cgi load & access speed
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802162233o3f9f34cgff2aa0ced57c7af4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080216180006.338FD489B7E@mail.runrev.com>
	<9B464A24-AD28-41A8-B500-C75540D25497@siphonophore.com>
	<7aa52a210802162233o3f9f34cgff2aa0ced57c7af4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2880EC2-16F3-4434-BDC9-CE50994A460C@together.net>

This may not have any consequence at all, but it's hard to test, so I  
wanted an opinion or two.

My cgi Rev stack (I'm using only one) has "ballooned" up to about  
350k... certainly not large, but I could reduce it to 100k or so by  
moving a number of fields (which contain html formatting data) to  
text files. Is there any reason to think that the user's experience  
when accessing a cgi link will be noticeably quicker if the stack is  
100k vs 350k? I realize I'm probably talking about a savings of less  
than one second, at best, but with constant accessing to the server  
by numerous users, would this be worth making the change?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Sun Feb 17 07:24:52 2008
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:24:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
Message-ID: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi there, 

A  question to all SQL-Masters:
To update a record in a SQL-Table and to store text which includes the "
sign in an SQL-Syntax I learnd, that it is necessary to use

replace quote with "\" & quote in zText
Well, that works fine, but what about The ' sign?

replace "'" with "\'" in zText
seems NOT to work. 

Thanks a lot to all of you and best regards

Horst
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Feb 17 07:45:28 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:45:28 +0100
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Horst,

Single quotes should be escaped the way you do and this should work  
fine. I have seen reports of commands starting with revdb being  
unable to escape single quotes, but this can be solved by using  
revExecuteSQL -- I don't know whether there really is a bug with  
escaping characters, I didn't encounter this problem myself. Make  
sure that you only replace single quotes that are part of the data  
and not the two single quotes that surround the string.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 17-feb-2008, om 13:24 heeft Horst het volgende geschreven:

>
> Hi there,
>
> A  question to all SQL-Masters:
> To update a record in a SQL-Table and to store text which includes  
> the "
> sign in an SQL-Syntax I learnd, that it is necessary to use
>
> replace quote with "\" & quote in zText
> Well, that works fine, but what about The ' sign?
>
> replace "'" with "\'" in zText
> seems NOT to work.
>
> Thanks a lot to all of you and best regards
>
> Horst
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sun Feb 17 10:04:12 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:04:12 -0500
Subject: selecting lines in a field
In-Reply-To: <FBF92360-95DD-4AA0-A448-7115B92B834C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <44571925-CBE2-4202-A039-FD11AC21458F@doctortimothyMiller.com>
	<FBF92360-95DD-4AA0-A448-7115B92B834C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <85A33469-4C6D-4212-B4E1-5B4B6247965D@comcast.net>

Tim,

You might want to change this script to include this line:  or line  
(item i of tHilitedLines) of me = "Clear" -- That way the Clear line  
won't be highlighted in a multi-line highlight either.

As in:

on mouseDown
  local tHilitedLines
  -----
  lock screen
  put the hilitedlines of me into tHilitedLines
  if tHilitedLines = 1 then
    set the hilitedlines of me to empty
    -- clear
  else
    repeat with i = the number of items in tHilitedLines down to 0
      if line (item i of tHilitedLines) of me = "---" or line (item i  
of tHilitedLines) of me = "Clear" then
        delete item i of tHilitedLines
      end if
    end repeat
    set the hilitedlines of me to tHilitedLines
  end if
  unlock screen
end mouseDown


HTH TOM
On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:52 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:ne

> Hi Tim,
>
> Assuming a field I put in:
>
> Clear
> ---
> Choice 1
> Choice 2
> Choice 3
> ---
> Choice 4
> Choice 5
> etc.
>
> And in the script of the field:
>
> on mouseDown
>  local tHilitedLines
>  -----
>  lock screen
>  put the hilitedLines of me into tHilitedLines
>  if tHilitedLines = 1 then
>    set the hilitedLines of me to empty
>    -- clear
>  else
>    repeat with i = the number of items in tHilitedLines down to 1
>      if line (item i of tHilitedLines) of me = "---" then
>        delete item i of tHilitedLines
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    set the hilitedLines of me to tHilitedLines
>  end if
>  unlock screen
> end mouseDown
>
> Hope this helps.
> BTW if the above works, I'm not sure it's really compliant with  
> usual guidelines on any platform ;-)
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
>
> Le 17 f?vr. 08 ? 01:43, Timothy Miller a ?crit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> After all these years, still a beginner... sigh...
>>
>> A multi-line field. Locked. Focusable. Autohilite and listbehavior  
>> are true. Normally, I'd turn on "multi-line" and "non-continguous"  
>> and I'd be good to go. Later on, a script will get the hilitedlines  
>> of this field.
>>
>> Except...
>>
>> I use "---" as a separator, and some lines are deliberately blank,  
>> for the sake of readability.
>>
>> If I click on "---" or a blank line, I'd like to leave that line un- 
>> hilited, without disturbing the other hilitedlines in the field.
>>
>> --also--
>>
>> Line 1 = "Clear"
>>
>> If I click on line 1, I'd like to set all the hilitedlines to  
>> false, including the hilite of line 1.
>>
>> I think I know the necessary commands and properties, though one  
>> can't be certain in my case. I've realized I might need to turn off  
>> the mulit-line or non-contiguous property and script some field  
>> behavior manually. I've tried various possibilities by trial and  
>> error, but I can't seem to put the pieces together. Now I'm stuck.
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Tim
>
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sun Feb 17 10:08:51 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:08:51 -0500
Subject: Mashups in REV
Message-ID: <82B09C64-9254-4272-931F-BC1D4C299E3B@comcast.net>

Just a question?


Is anyone using Rev with the current level of Mashups as in Google  
Gadgets etc. It seems to me a library of wrappers could be put in that  
would house a gadget and Rev could handle that? I know Rev could  
handle the as Javascript.


Tom



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Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM





From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sun Feb 17 10:29:29 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:29:29 -0500
Subject: Mashups in REV
In-Reply-To: <82B09C64-9254-4272-931F-BC1D4C299E3B@comcast.net>
References: <82B09C64-9254-4272-931F-BC1D4C299E3B@comcast.net>
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Append: As Javascript on Mac and I think "SignedJavaScript" on  
windows??? I think JScript was different than JavaScript.

put alternateLanguages()  on my windows machine
XML
VBScript
VBScript.Encode
Python.AXScript.2
JScript
JScript.Encode
"SignedJavaScript"
"SignedVBScript"

put alternateLanguages() on my macintosh machine
javascript
applescript




On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Just a question?
>
>
> Is anyone using Rev with the current level of Mashups as in Google  
> Gadgets etc. It seems to me a library of wrappers could be put in  
> that would house a gadget and Rev could handle that? I know Rev  
> could handle the as Javascript.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> Thomas McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
>
>
>
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From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Sun Feb 17 11:09:14 2008
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:09:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hol? Mark,

The main question seems to be: How to "include" a textfile for example:
..
put "1234'5'6??'ioup"#" into mytext ## I know, this text is senseless, but
never mind, it should be able to be saved
replace quote with "\" & quote in mytext ## and then, how to replave the '
??? 
put "UPDATE table set textfile = '" & mytext & "'... into sql_messqage
revexecutesql (my_ID), sql_message
put the result  ## shows an SQL-Error message and mytext will not be saved
..

best regards and, as usual, a big thank You for answering

Horst
 

Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
> 
> Dear Horst,
> 
> Single quotes should be escaped the way you do and this should work  
> fine. I have seen reports of commands starting with revdb being  
> unable to escape single quotes, but this can be solved by using  
> revExecuteSQL -- I don't know whether there really is a bug with  
> escaping characters, I didn't encounter this problem myself. Make  
> sure that you only replace single quotes that are part of the data  
> and not the two single quotes that surround the string.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
> 
> 
> 
> Op 17-feb-2008, om 13:24 heeft Horst het volgende geschreven:
> 
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> A  question to all SQL-Masters:
>> To update a record in a SQL-Table and to store text which includes  
>> the "
>> sign in an SQL-Syntax I learnd, that it is necessary to use
>>
>> replace quote with "\" & quote in zText
>> Well, that works fine, but what about The ' sign?
>>
>> replace "'" with "\'" in zText
>> seems NOT to work.
>>
>> Thanks a lot to all of you and best regards
>>
>> Horst
>> -- 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Feb 17 11:47:08 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:47:08 +0100
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>

Hallo Horst,

You could write a function to escape all special characters, but the  
easiest and most reliable way is to encode the data with base64encode 
() before storing it.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 17-feb-2008, om 17:09 heeft Horst het volgende geschreven:

>
> Hol? Mark,
>
> The main question seems to be: How to "include" a textfile for  
> example:
> ..
> put "1234'5'6??'ioup"#" into mytext ## I know, this text is  
> senseless, but
> never mind, it should be able to be saved
> replace quote with "\" & quote in mytext ## and then, how to  
> replave the '
> ???
> put "UPDATE table set textfile = '" & mytext & "'... into sql_messqage
> revexecutesql (my_ID), sql_message
> put the result  ## shows an SQL-Error message and mytext will not  
> be saved
> ..
>
> best regards and, as usual, a big thank You for answering
>
> Horst
>


From engleerica at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 17 11:53:01 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:53:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: revolution on the web
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1203262941.19816.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <350267.50812.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I signed up for the 2.9 beta :) iHope I get accepted I
think I have some ability to contribute. 

I would like to see revolution able to 
a) generate video (see my hypercard videokit built
with udi's external, it's on Alain's pantechnicon
b) become an alternative to javascript <script
language="transcript">
c) develop a browser capability (see my iFunctions
stack, it's on Alain's free gui site)
I got a copy of altBrowser complimentary from altuit,
sort of as an incentive to stop working on my own
browser. It's not on their website. Did altBrowser get
directl integrated into the more recent releases of
rev (the way I think it should be :) ?

I guess Jacqueline's great CGI tutorial will do for
getting me up on Rev CGI.

What I really would love is a way for stacks to be
served into a browser (i.e. a rev plugin like
shockwave or flash). I know 3 years ago that wasn't in
the works. I'm hoping it is now.

Also I'm interested in investor relations =) 

Thanks!

Eric


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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Feb 17 15:04:59 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:04:59 -0600
Subject: revolution on the web
In-Reply-To: <350267.50812.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.0.1203262941.19816.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
	<350267.50812.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802171204t5247178dg79982093b1bce04e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric,

I'll try and answer as many as I can.

On Feb 17, 2008 10:53 AM, Eric A. Engle <engleerica at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I signed up for the 2.9 beta :) iHope I get accepted I
> think I have some ability to contribute.


Not sure, but I think all existing users who sign-up are automatically
included.


>
>
> I would like to see revolution able to
> a) generate video (see my hypercard videokit built
> with udi's external, it's on Alain's pantechnicon


Currently you can do this just fine using Trevor's excellent Quicktime
externals.



>
> c) develop a browser capability (see my iFunctions
> stack, it's on Alain's free gui site)
> I got a copy of altBrowser complimentary from altuit,
> sort of as an incentive to stop working on my own
> browser. It's not on their website. Did altBrowser get
> directl integrated into the more recent releases of
> rev (the way I think it should be :) ?


Yes, altBrowser is now revBrowser. It was sold to RunRev awhile back. I
don't remember your complimentary version, but then we did hand out a few
complimentary versions. That said, I certainly don't remember giving it to
you as an incentive to stop working on your own. That doesn't sound like
something we do. Perhaps you got it elsewhere?


>
> What I really would love is a way for stacks to be
> served into a browser (i.e. a rev plugin like
> shockwave or flash). I know 3 years ago that wasn't in
> the works. I'm hoping it is now.
>

This topic has been discusses ad infinitum on this list. I suggest you do
some GMANE searches and you can find out for yourself the ongoing thinking
on this subject.


>
> Also I'm interested in investor relations =)


If you're interested in purchasing RunRev stock, you should contact RunRev
directly.

best, Chipp


From mfstuart at cox.net  Sun Feb 17 17:08:41 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:08:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How do I create a group of buttons on the fly
In-Reply-To: <15519011.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15519011.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <15535389.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,
Thanx Chipp for the pointers, they helped me clarify what I was aiming for
in this little application.

I've finished this and it's working how I want for now. Variations may apply
as I work on it.
I've placed the stack on the RevOnline under Programming category, if any
one is interested.
RunRev version: 2.8.1
Developed on: WINXP
Search for...
 username: mfstuart
 revfilename: ShortcutBar Sytem Menu

Any comments as to how it could be improved most welcome.
What else is most welcome: if it doesn't work, let me know with a reply, and
I'll fix it and update it to RevOnline.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Sun Feb 17 17:23:23 2008
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:23:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hol? Mark,

ik wil u danken. 

I know, the easiest way would be to encode the data with base64encode. But
there must also be a way to  save a text f.e. like 1234'5'6??'ioup"# in a
varchar or text type. With base64encode it will f.e. not be possible to use
the "fulltext" indexing, which I will need. No, there must be another way.
SQL is not that silly and I learned, that RR is a a powerfull tool, if you
(or someone else) knows the "tricks". Once again the question: How to save
any text via RR to a SQL-Table as described before.

best regards

Horst




Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
> 
> Hallo Horst,
> 
> You could write a function to escape all special characters, but the  
> easiest and most reliable way is to encode the data with base64encode 
> () before storing it.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
> 
> 
> 
> Op 17-feb-2008, om 17:09 heeft Horst het volgende geschreven:
> 
>>
>> Hol? Mark,
>>
>> The main question seems to be: How to "include" a textfile for  
>> example:
>> ..
>> put "1234'5'6??'ioup"#" into mytext ## I know, this text is  
>> senseless, but
>> never mind, it should be able to be saved
>> replace quote with "\" & quote in mytext ## and then, how to  
>> replave the '
>> ???
>> put "UPDATE table set textfile = '" & mytext & "'... into sql_messqage
>> revexecutesql (my_ID), sql_message
>> put the result  ## shows an SQL-Error message and mytext will not  
>> be saved
>> ..
>>
>> best regards and, as usual, a big thank You for answering
>>
>> Horst
>>
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Feb 17 17:40:32 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:40:32 -1000
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
In-Reply-To: <F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47B8B7E0.8070506@hindu.org>

(sitting here cranking out PDFs... got time...)

Like Richard said: depends on your project.

For die-hard "only language I know or ever want to learn..." xTalkers... 
"many cards" still works for read only, single editor at a time projects 
with relatively small data sets where an open source back end is not a 
requirement.

I have several projects that use stacks with 3000-5000 cards. They have 
the advantage that you stay entirely in a Revolution environment, 
rapidly code the UI, easily distribute to volunteers (bundle with a 
standalone loader)  etc.. your GUI *is* your data base... you don't have 
to build a data base and then build another application to "talk" to 
it... they are one and the same.  You can just drop this stack on your 
web server and talk to it with a CGI, "as easy as pecan pie" . This is 
very sweet.

accessing the data then becomes as simple as

start using stack "my4000CardStack.rev"

The key to doing this efficiently, at least in my "baby xTalk" way of 
doing things
is to make sure that the primary key (ID, etc... whatever you are using) 
is not only 1 of the fields in the records, but you also set the card 
name to that same value.

Then the internal global "the card names of this stack" becomes a super 
fast index to your data. And you can do all kinds of smart stuff, very 
easily, with marking cards to create sets etc... build arrays from the 
data in the cards...blinding fast search and displays and you never  
actually "go to card x" except for data entry.

e.g. the back end data container for this little dictionary:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon/

is a stack with about 3,500 hundred cards...

Everything works almost instantaneously. Putting all the data into 
custom properties also works if you prefer a 1 card "single window on my 
data" approach to stackware...

The Pros and the limitation of this model comes from fact that the 
entire stack is loaded into memory. I have one stack that contains 
73,000 records (simple name and address and a few more pieces of info 
for each person) in a single custom property. That stack is 10 
megabytes... this is a threshold where the disk I/O starts to feel a 
little sluggish if you have to do a lot of open and saves... but even at 
this size, if  you load it once and the rest of usage is primarily just 
reading the data... it sparkles. It's pretty much a free form dbase with 
pipe delimiter "|" between each records... With Revolution's text 
parsing power I can write complex queries against that custom 
property... in just 10-15 line of code...

To do the same thing with SQLite and dbase drivers and all that... oh 
boy..... why bother when you can do the same thing in 20-30 lines of code?

Of course there's the "nag" that says "its so much cooler to use open 
source"  "Web 2.0 MySql SQLLite  and Dbase drivers and javascript and 
ajax... but if  you were  weaned on Hypercard as a "kid" and know the 
simplicity of the stack-cards model, why go down a path that's going to 
take upmpteen hours when you can do the same thing in 30 minutes? Just 
because it is open source, offical "database" doesn't mean it's a better 
or more efficient way to get the job done.

 I see a lot of things that are "moving forward" but from a production 
manager's point of view (that's me).. .are moving backward in terms of 
productivity... 

End of Revolution (or hypercard or supercard..)

"stacks and cards are still a 2nd Millenium gold standard for lots of 
projects"

Advocacy...

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> If no one else needs to read your files, you can use return delimited 
> lists, and enter htmltext there. Rev doesn't care if there's returns 
> between the </p><p> tags, so you can just strip it. Added bonus: 
> Styled text is preserved.
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2008, at 22:04, Russell Martin wrote:
>
>> So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
>> that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?
>>
>> Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle placing
>> multiline data into your list structure?
>>
>> And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
>> your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
>> perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?
>
>




From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Feb 17 17:57:12 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:57:12 +0000
Subject: md5
Message-ID: <4197C975-01FF-4AA2-B57A-C7C429074C49@maseurope.net>

On OS X (and linux, I'd imagine), if I want to get the md5 digest of  
a file, I can pretty much rely on the presence of openssl and it's  
command line.
Is this true on Windows? If it isn't, does anyone know if there is  
another 'built-in' command for it in Windows?

Thanks,

Mark


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sun Feb 17 19:17:12 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:17:12 -0500
Subject: removing ask/answer/msg substacks from old mc stacks
Message-ID: <E053003C-1D60-48FB-94AC-25F1EF805B1B@siphonophore.com>

I'm sorry i have done this in the past, but have forgotten how to do it.

I have some old mc stacks from like 8 years ago that have the ask and  
answer dialog substacks in them. i removed them in rev 2.6.1, but now  
i keep getting a message box error (message box is already open in  
rev) when i open the stack in rev 2.8.1. so it seems that there is  
still a message box substack hiding in my stack, but it doesnt show up  
in application browser with my stack. i remember a similar problem in  
the past with old mc cards like this, but ive forgotten what i did  
last time to loose all the old substack assets to make it clean with  
rev.

thanks

jeff reynolds





From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Feb 17 19:18:07 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:18:07 +0100
Subject: md5
In-Reply-To: <20080217180005.CDD964893F1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080217180005.CDD964893F1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7D572DCB-3808-4481-B98D-57FCEE7A7764@derbrill.de>

Hi Mark,

Rev has MD5 build in. However you will need to do some conversion of  
it, to match the way other languages display MD5 (like PHP)

Here is a snippet:

     local tVar,tDigest
     put md5digest("Malte") into tVar
     get binarydecode("H*",tVar,tDigest)
     put tDigest

Hope that helps,

Malte





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb 17 19:26:03 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:26:03 -0800
Subject: removing ask/answer/msg substacks from old mc stacks
In-Reply-To: <E053003C-1D60-48FB-94AC-25F1EF805B1B@siphonophore.com>
References: <E053003C-1D60-48FB-94AC-25F1EF805B1B@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c3de80c1bf5d@[192.168.1.70]>

  in Rev it's the preference "revolution UI Elements appear in lists of stacks"
is there a similar pref in Metacard?   (sorry if this is obvious...)

>I'm sorry i have done this in the past, but have forgotten how to do it.
>
>I have some old mc stacks from like 8 years ago that have the ask 
>and answer dialog substacks in them. i removed them in rev 2.6.1, 
>but now i keep getting a message box error (message box is already 
>open in rev) when i open the stack in rev 2.8.1. so it seems that 
>there is still a message box substack hiding in my stack, but it 
>doesnt show up in application browser with my stack. i remember a 
>similar problem in the past with old mc cards like this, but ive 
>forgotten what i did last time to loose all the old substack assets 
>to make it clean with rev.
>
>thanks
>
>jeff reynolds

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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From wow at together.net  Sun Feb 17 20:28:01 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:28:01 -0500
Subject: Record sound no longer works in XP with Rev 2.7.1
In-Reply-To: <47B8B7E0.8070506@hindu.org>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
	<47B8B7E0.8070506@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <D881A4AF-7F29-40B0-9F2F-4F3AB89F3E8A@together.net>

I just updated to Quicktime 7.4.1 on an XP Home and a Vista computer.  
Using Rev 2.7.1, the record sound command appears dead. Has this been  
reported by others? It's certainly a serious problem for a few of my  
programs. The MCI alternative still works, but I find that not nearly  
as flexible.

Richard Miller


From wow at together.net  Sun Feb 17 20:32:44 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:32:44 -0500
Subject: Record sound no longer works in XP with Rev 2.7.1
In-Reply-To: <D881A4AF-7F29-40B0-9F2F-4F3AB89F3E8A@together.net>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
	<47B8B7E0.8070506@hindu.org>
	<D881A4AF-7F29-40B0-9F2F-4F3AB89F3E8A@together.net>
Message-ID: <2B044519-965A-4FBD-BD88-116C72CE1377@together.net>

I should note this was tested with an external USB mic. Perhaps it  
still works with an internal mic?
Richard Miller



On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> I just updated to Quicktime 7.4.1 on an XP Home and a Vista  
> computer. Using Rev 2.7.1, the record sound command appears dead.  
> Has this been reported by others? It's certainly a serious problem  
> for a few of my programs. The MCI alternative still works, but I  
> find that not nearly as flexible.
>
> Richard Miller
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Feb 17 20:33:57 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:33:57 +0000
Subject: md5
In-Reply-To: <7D572DCB-3808-4481-B98D-57FCEE7A7764@derbrill.de>
References: <20080217180005.CDD964893F1@mail.runrev.com>
	<7D572DCB-3808-4481-B98D-57FCEE7A7764@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <CE85AC25-EB0F-4AB6-8A24-24A889A55977@maseurope.net>

Malte, thanks, but I need to get the md5 of potentially very large  
files on disc. I'm hoping to avoid having to load them into memory in  
order get the digest.


Best,

Mark

On 18 Feb 2008, at 00:18, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Rev has MD5 build in. However you will need to do some conversion  
> of it, to match the way other languages display MD5 (like PHP)
>
> Here is a snippet:
>
>     local tVar,tDigest
>     put md5digest("Malte") into tVar
>     get binarydecode("H*",tVar,tDigest)
>     put tDigest
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Malte
>
>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Feb 17 21:09:11 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:09:11 -1000
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
In-Reply-To: <F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47B8E8C7.3050504@hindu.org>

Like Richard said: depends on your project.

For die-hard "only language I know or ever want to learn..." xTalkers... 
"many cards" still works for read only, single editor at a time projects 
with relatively small data sets where an open source back end is not a 
requirement.

I have several projects that use stacks with 3000-5000 cards. They have 
the advantage that you stay entirely in a Revolution environment, 
rapidly code the UI, easily distribute to volunteers (bundle with a 
standalone loader)  etc.. your GUI *is* your data base... you don't have 
to build a data base and then build another application to "talk" to 
it... they are one and the same.  You can just drop this stack on your 
web server and talk to it with a CGI, "as easy as pecan pie" . This is 
very sweet.

accessing the data then becomes as simple as

start using stack "my4000CardStack.rev"

The key to doing this efficiently, at least in my "baby xTalk" way of 
doing things
is to make sure that the primary key (ID, etc... whatever you are using) 
is not only 1 of the fields in the records, but you also set the card 
name to that same value.

Then the internal global "the card names of this stack" becomes a super 
fast index to your data. And you can do all kinds of smart stuff, very 
easily, with marking cards to create sets etc... build arrays from the 
data in the cards...blinding fast search and displays and you never  
actually "go to card x" except for data entry.

e.g. the back end data container for this little dictionary:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon/

is a stack with about 3,500 hundred cards...

Everything works almost instantaneously. Putting all the data into 
custom properties also works if you prefer a 1 card "single window on my 
data" approach to stackware...

The Pros and the limitation of this model comes from fact that the 
entire stack is loaded into memory. I have one stack that contains 
73,000 records (simple name and address and a few more pieces of info 
for each person) in a single custom property. That stack is 10 
megabytes... this is a threshold where the disk I/O starts to feel a 
little sluggish if you have to do a lot of open and saves... but even at 
this size, if  you load it once and the rest of usage is primarily just 
reading the data... it sparkles. It's pretty much a free form dbase with 
pipe delimiter "|" between each records... With Revolution's text 
parsing power I can write complex queries against that custom 
property... in just 10-15 line of code...

Just to do the same thing with SQLite and dbase drivers and all that oh 
boy..... why bother when you can do the same thing in 20-30 lines of code?

Of course there's the "nag" that says "its so much cooler to use open 
source"  "Web 2.0 MySql SQLLite  and Dbase drivers and javascript and 
ajax... but if  you were  weaned on Hypercard as a "kid" and know the 
simplicity of the stack-cards model, why go down a path that's going to 
take upmpteen hours when you can do the same thing in 30 minutes? Just 
because it is open source, doesn't mean it's a better or more efficient 
way to get the job done.

 I see a lot of things that are "moving forward" but from a production 
manager's point of view (that's me).. .are moving backward in terms of 
productivity... 

End of Revolution

"stacks and cards are still a 2nd Millenium gold standard for lots of 
projects"

Advocacy...

If only the world knew...



Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> If no one else needs to read your files, you can use return delimited 
> lists, and enter htmltext there. Rev doesn't care if there's returns 
> between the </p><p> tags, so you can just strip it. Added bonus: 
> Styled text is preserved.
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2008, at 22:04, Russell Martin wrote:
>
>> So, I've been reading up on Rev's XML features and I'm wondering if
>> that isn't a better route to go than using lists? Any thoughts?
>>
>> Also, for those that use lists to store data, how do you handle placing
>> multiline data into your list structure?
>>
>> And, what do you do to deal with data that might contain instances of
>> your delimiter before you place it in your list? Or, is there some
>> perfect delimiter that I just haven't thought of?
>
>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 17 21:27:48 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:27:48 -0600
Subject: Record sound no longer works in XP with Rev 2.7.1
In-Reply-To: <D881A4AF-7F29-40B0-9F2F-4F3AB89F3E8A@together.net>
References: <306279.7235.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<F931F42F-1704-4C14-A385-75E333D6A124@mac.com>	<47B8B7E0.8070506@hindu.org>
	<D881A4AF-7F29-40B0-9F2F-4F3AB89F3E8A@together.net>
Message-ID: <47B8ED24.3000202@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Miller wrote:
> I just updated to Quicktime 7.4.1 on an XP Home and a Vista computer. 
> Using Rev 2.7.1, the record sound command appears dead. Has this been 
> reported by others? It's certainly a serious problem for a few of my 
> programs. The MCI alternative still works, but I find that not nearly as 
> flexible.

Yeah. It's been coming into the support queue. 
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5858>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 17 21:36:50 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:36:50 -0600
Subject: removing ask/answer/msg substacks from old mc stacks
In-Reply-To: <E053003C-1D60-48FB-94AC-25F1EF805B1B@siphonophore.com>
References: <E053003C-1D60-48FB-94AC-25F1EF805B1B@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <47B8EF42.4040503@hyperactivesw.com>

Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> I'm sorry i have done this in the past, but have forgotten how to do it.
> 
> I have some old mc stacks from like 8 years ago that have the ask and 
> answer dialog substacks in them. i removed them in rev 2.6.1, but now i 
> keep getting a message box error (message box is already open in rev) 
> when i open the stack in rev 2.8.1. so it seems that there is still a 
> message box substack hiding in my stack, but it doesnt show up in 
> application browser with my stack.

The easiest way to get rid of those is to open the stack in the MC IDE 
and use its resource mover to delete the stacks. You can download the MC 
IDE from Yahoo groups here:

<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/>

If you aren't a member of the group, you'll have to join. Once you are 
in the Files section, also download the metacard_setup10.mc.zip stack 
(it's the last one in the Files listing.) This utility automatically 
sets up the MC IDE to work with the current Rev engine and installs 
everything you need with one click. Open this utility stack from inside 
Revolution. (Actually, this little utility can auto-download the MC IDE 
for you, so really all you need is a copy of the setup stack.)

If you don't want to go the MC route, then you can set Rev's preferences 
to show rev stacks in lists and look for the duplicate stacks in the App 
Brower. I don't know if they will show up but it is worth a try. I think 
they should.

If that doesn't work, you'll have to find them manually. Start issuing 
commands like this in the message box:

   put there is a stack "answer dialog" of stack "myStack"

If the result is true, then be careful how you delete it; make sure you 
provide a full reference to the stack so that you don't accidentally 
delete Revolution's copy instead of your own:

   delete stack "answer dialog" of stack "myStack"

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sun Feb 17 21:56:36 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:56:36 -0500
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B32913F4-FB0E-40B5-8878-DA5069FAADE2@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Horst wrote:
> I know, the easiest way would be to encode the data with  
> base64encode. But
> there must also be a way to  save a text f.e. like 1234'5'6??'ioup"#  
> in a
> varchar or text type. With base64encode it will f.e. not be possible  
> to use
> the "fulltext" indexing, which I will need. No, there must be  
> another way.
> SQL is not that silly and I learned, that RR is a a powerfull tool,  
> if you
> (or someone else) knows the "tricks". Once again the question: How  
> to save
> any text via RR to a SQL-Table as described before.


Hi Horst,

You can definitely insert any text into a database using Rev as long  
as you cleanse the input first. I've attached a modified handler from  
libDatabase that you can use to escape strings you want to use in an  
UPDATE clause.

SQLite only requires for single quote to be escaped. MySQL has a  
slightly more complex escape sequence as does PostGreSQL. I haven't  
tested the postgresql code myself but I based the code off of some  
docs I found somewhere.

Here is an example of how you could use it:

...
put escapeStringForSQL("mysql", the text of field "UserSuppliedData")  
into theData
put format("UPDATE my_table SET user_data = '%s' WHERE ID = %u",  
theData, theID) into theSQL
....


Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



function escapeStringForSQL pDBType, pString
     switch pDBType
         case "mysql"
             replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
in pString --> \ to \\
             replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(39)  
in pString --> ' to \'
             replace numtochar(34) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(34)  
in pString --> " to \"
             replace numtochar(0) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(48)  
in pString --> NULL to \0
             replace numtochar(26) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(90)  
in pString --> Control-Z to \Z
             replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
in pString --> newline to \n
             replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
in pString --> carriage return to \r
             replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
in pString --> tab to \t
             replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
in pString --> backspace to \b
             break
         case "postgresql"
             replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
in pString --> \ to \\
             replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
in pString --> ' to ''
             replace numtochar(12) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(102)  
in pString --> formfeed to \f
             replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
in pString --> newline to \n
             replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
in pString --> carriage return to \r
             replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
in pString --> tab to \t
             replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
in pString --> backspace to \b
             break
         case "sqlite"
         default
             replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
in pString --> ' to ''
             break
     end SWITCH
end lib escapeStringForSQL

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sun Feb 17 21:56:36 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:56:36 -0500
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B32913F4-FB0E-40B5-8878-DA5069FAADE2@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Horst wrote:
> I know, the easiest way would be to encode the data with  
> base64encode. But
> there must also be a way to  save a text f.e. like 1234'5'6??'ioup"#  
> in a
> varchar or text type. With base64encode it will f.e. not be possible  
> to use
> the "fulltext" indexing, which I will need. No, there must be  
> another way.
> SQL is not that silly and I learned, that RR is a a powerfull tool,  
> if you
> (or someone else) knows the "tricks". Once again the question: How  
> to save
> any text via RR to a SQL-Table as described before.


Hi Horst,

You can definitely insert any text into a database using Rev as long  
as you cleanse the input first. I've attached a modified handler from  
libDatabase that you can use to escape strings you want to use in an  
UPDATE clause.

SQLite only requires for single quote to be escaped. MySQL has a  
slightly more complex escape sequence as does PostGreSQL. I haven't  
tested the postgresql code myself but I based the code off of some  
docs I found somewhere.

Here is an example of how you could use it:

...
put escapeStringForSQL("mysql", the text of field "UserSuppliedData")  
into theData
put format("UPDATE my_table SET user_data = '%s' WHERE ID = %u",  
theData, theID) into theSQL
....


Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



function escapeStringForSQL pDBType, pString
     switch pDBType
         case "mysql"
             replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
in pString --> \ to \\
             replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(39)  
in pString --> ' to \'
             replace numtochar(34) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(34)  
in pString --> " to \"
             replace numtochar(0) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(48)  
in pString --> NULL to \0
             replace numtochar(26) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(90)  
in pString --> Control-Z to \Z
             replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
in pString --> newline to \n
             replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
in pString --> carriage return to \r
             replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
in pString --> tab to \t
             replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
in pString --> backspace to \b
             break
         case "postgresql"
             replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
in pString --> \ to \\
             replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
in pString --> ' to ''
             replace numtochar(12) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(102)  
in pString --> formfeed to \f
             replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
in pString --> newline to \n
             replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
in pString --> carriage return to \r
             replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
in pString --> tab to \t
             replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
in pString --> backspace to \b
             break
         case "sqlite"
         default
             replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
in pString --> ' to ''
             break
     end SWITCH
end lib escapeStringForSQL

From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Mon Feb 18 02:20:09 2008
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:20:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <B32913F4-FB0E-40B5-8878-DA5069FAADE2@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B32913F4-FB0E-40B5-8878-DA5069FAADE2@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <15540022.post@talk.nabble.com>


Good morning Trevor,

Thanks for that. I?ll try tomorrow and let you know here

best regards

Horst


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Horst wrote:
>> I know, the easiest way would be to encode the data with  
>> base64encode. But
>> there must also be a way to  save a text f.e. like 1234'5'6??'ioup"#  
>> in a
>> varchar or text type. With base64encode it will f.e. not be possible  
>> to use
>> the "fulltext" indexing, which I will need. No, there must be  
>> another way.
>> SQL is not that silly and I learned, that RR is a a powerfull tool,  
>> if you
>> (or someone else) knows the "tricks". Once again the question: How  
>> to save
>> any text via RR to a SQL-Table as described before.
> 
> 
> Hi Horst,
> 
> You can definitely insert any text into a database using Rev as long  
> as you cleanse the input first. I've attached a modified handler from  
> libDatabase that you can use to escape strings you want to use in an  
> UPDATE clause.
> 
> SQLite only requires for single quote to be escaped. MySQL has a  
> slightly more complex escape sequence as does PostGreSQL. I haven't  
> tested the postgresql code myself but I based the code off of some  
> docs I found somewhere.
> 
> Here is an example of how you could use it:
> 
> ...
> put escapeStringForSQL("mysql", the text of field "UserSuppliedData")  
> into theData
> put format("UPDATE my_table SET user_data = '%s' WHERE ID = %u",  
> theData, theID) into theSQL
> ....
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
> 
> 
> 
> function escapeStringForSQL pDBType, pString
>      switch pDBType
>          case "mysql"
>              replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
> in pString --> \ to \\
>              replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(39)  
> in pString --> ' to \'
>              replace numtochar(34) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(34)  
> in pString --> " to \"
>              replace numtochar(0) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(48)  
> in pString --> NULL to \0
>              replace numtochar(26) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(90)  
> in pString --> Control-Z to \Z
>              replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
> in pString --> newline to \n
>              replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
> in pString --> carriage return to \r
>              replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
> in pString --> tab to \t
>              replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
> in pString --> backspace to \b
>              break
>          case "postgresql"
>              replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
> in pString --> \ to \\
>              replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
> in pString --> ' to ''
>              replace numtochar(12) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(102)  
> in pString --> formfeed to \f
>              replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
> in pString --> newline to \n
>              replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
> in pString --> carriage return to \r
>              replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
> in pString --> tab to \t
>              replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
> in pString --> backspace to \b
>              break
>          case "sqlite"
>          default
>              replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
> in pString --> ' to ''
>              break
>      end SWITCH
> end lib escapeStringForSQL_______________________________________________
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Feb 18 02:33:07 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:33:07 +0000
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
Message-ID: <200802180733.07862.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Sivakatirswami, thanks for a most interesting and thought provoking post and 
approach that would never have occurred to me.  Perhaps the disadvantage of 
it might be that exporting the data in a way that can be used by another 
application might require extra work, if you feel the need to provide for 
that?   

But apart from that, its very interesting and I'll try it.

Peter


From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Mon Feb 18 05:55:51 2008
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:55:51 EST
Subject: Reducing image data size
Message-ID: <d15.1ae543a9.34eabe37@aol.com>

If import a big image and reduce its dimensions to a thumbnail, how do I  
reduce the data size of the thumbnail?
 
If this has already been written up somewhere, could someone point it out  to 
me? The imageData dox entry describes what it is but not really how to use  
it.
 
(Hugh has shinpads on, ready for kicking self)

/H
 



   


From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Mon Feb 18 07:03:20 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:03:20 +0200
Subject: Blocking resize
Message-ID: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>

The documentation states on resizeControl that,

'The resizeControl message is sent after the resizing is finished.  
This means that you cannot prevent a control's size from being changed  
by trapping this message.'

which leaves me under impression, that there must be a way to block  
resizing while using the pointer tool.

Anyone done this?

Sakari Ruoho
Software Designer
Academica Information Ltd
sakari.ruoho at academica.com

From bvg at mac.com  Mon Feb 18 07:07:49 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:07:49 +0100
Subject: Reducing image data size
In-Reply-To: <d15.1ae543a9.34eabe37@aol.com>
References: <d15.1ae543a9.34eabe37@aol.com>
Message-ID: <36BB6A1A-C46E-4DD6-B0F6-CF25704A0536@mac.com>

The simplest way to do this is with imageData. Something like the  
following should do the trick (untested):

on mouseUp
   put 100,100,180,180 into theRect --or whatever
   set the rectangle of image 1 to theRect --original image
   set the rectangle of image 2 to theRect --thumbnail image
   set the imagedata of image 2 to the imagedata of image 1
   set the height of image 1 to the formattedHeight of image 1
   set the width of image 1 to the formattedWidth of image 1
end mouseUp

Note that the two images need to have the exact same rectangle, or the  
second image will show distorted garbage, or nothing at all.

have fun
Bjoernke

PS: I used this in Malta during my presentation, but also transfered  
the imagedata over a socket. So you could theoretically  even save the  
imagedata to a file, for later retrieval.

On 18 Feb 2008, at 11:55, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> If import a big image and reduce its dimensions to a thumbnail, how  
> do I
> reduce the data size of the thumbnail?
>
> If this has already been written up somewhere, could someone point  
> it out  to
> me? The imageData dox entry describes what it is but not really how  
> to use
> it.
>
> (Hugh has shinpads on, ready for kicking self)


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From bvg at mac.com  Mon Feb 18 07:11:33 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:11:33 +0100
Subject: Blocking resize
In-Reply-To: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
References: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
Message-ID: <52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>

You could set the lockLoc to true, but then the handles change colour.  
I don't know any other way though.

Bj?rnke


On 18 Feb 2008, at 13:03, Sakari Ruoho wrote:

> The documentation states on resizeControl that,
>
> 'The resizeControl message is sent after the resizing is finished.  
> This means that you cannot prevent a control's size from being  
> changed by trapping this message.'
>
> which leaves me under impression, that there must be a way to block  
> resizing while using the pointer tool.
>
> Anyone done this?


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From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Mon Feb 18 07:34:53 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:34:53 +0200
Subject: Blocking resize
In-Reply-To: <52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>
References: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
	<52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4782B6D4-85FE-4E33-89EE-4DF77A338874@academica.com>

Thanks Bj?rnke, but I want to be able to move the control(just block  
the resize), forgot to mention that in the first post.

Sakari Ruoho

On Feb 18, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> You could set the lockLoc to true, but then the handles change  
> colour. I don't know any other way though.
>
> Bj?rnke
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2008, at 13:03, Sakari Ruoho wrote:
>
>> The documentation states on resizeControl that,
>>
>> 'The resizeControl message is sent after the resizing is finished.  
>> This means that you cannot prevent a control's size from being  
>> changed by trapping this message.'
>>
>> which leaves me under impression, that there must be a way to block  
>> resizing while using the pointer tool.
>>
>> Anyone done this?
>
>
> -- 
>
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> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
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From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Mon Feb 18 07:43:06 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:43:06 +0200
Subject: Color anomaly
Message-ID: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>

Hello!

First of all, my Revolution has turned to blue mushy thing and I don't  
know why this has happened. Then I get behavior where the colors are  
changing in an unexpected ways while setting backgroundPattern for an  
object.

Here's a snapshot of my pattern in image library:

http://kaikki.irssii.net/~zibulis/Revolution/Pic_1.png

and here's a snapshot of a button with backgroundPattern set to the  
previous image:

http://kaikki.irssii.net/~zibulis/Revolution/Pic_2.png

Has this something to do with my Revolution interface being turned  
into blue one, or totally different issue?



Sakari Ruoho
Software Designer
Academica Information Ltd
sakari.ruoho at academica.com



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon Feb 18 07:45:33 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:45:33 +0200
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>	<106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47B97DED.8050704@ekoinf.net>

in sqlite ' should be escaped with '' (e.g. ' and ') that's it...
Viktoras

Horst wrote:
> Hol? Mark,
>
> ik wil u danken. 
>
> I know, the easiest way would be to encode the data with base64encode. But
> there must also be a way to  save a text f.e. like 1234'5'6??'ioup"# in a
> varchar or text type. With base64encode it will f.e. not be possible to use
> the "fulltext" indexing, which I will need. No, there must be another way.
> SQL is not that silly and I learned, that RR is a a powerfull tool, if you
> (or someone else) knows the "tricks". Once again the question: How to save
> any text via RR to a SQL-Table as described before.
>
> best regards
>
> Horst
>
>
>
>
> Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
>   
>> Hallo Horst,
>>
>> You could write a function to escape all special characters, but the  
>> easiest and most reliable way is to encode the data with base64encode 
>> () before storing it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> --
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>> http://www.salery.biz
>>
>> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
>> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 17-feb-2008, om 17:09 heeft Horst het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>     
>>> Hol? Mark,
>>>
>>> The main question seems to be: How to "include" a textfile for  
>>> example:
>>> ..
>>> put "1234'5'6??'ioup"#" into mytext ## I know, this text is  
>>> senseless, but
>>> never mind, it should be able to be saved
>>> replace quote with "\" & quote in mytext ## and then, how to  
>>> replave the '
>>> ???
>>> put "UPDATE table set textfile = '" & mytext & "'... into sql_messqage
>>> revexecutesql (my_ID), sql_message
>>> put the result  ## shows an SQL-Error message and mytext will not  
>>> be saved
>>> ..
>>>
>>> best regards and, as usual, a big thank You for answering
>>>
>>> Horst
>>>
>>>       
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>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 18 07:48:30 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:48:30 +0100
Subject: Blocking resize
In-Reply-To: <4782B6D4-85FE-4E33-89EE-4DF77A338874@academica.com>
References: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
	<52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>
	<4782B6D4-85FE-4E33-89EE-4DF77A338874@academica.com>
Message-ID: <E7BF11DA-BF42-4E22-ABA4-CDAD4DE0FD20@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sakari Ruoho,

If you set the lockLoc to true, you can still move the control around  
by script, depending on what you want to achieve, you might use e.g.

on mouseDown
   repeat while the mouse is down with messages
     set the loc of me to the mouseLoc
     wait 0 millisecs with messages
   end repeat
end mouseDown

or

on mouseDown
  grab me
end mouseDown

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 18-feb-2008, om 13:34 heeft Sakari Ruoho het volgende geschreven:

> Thanks Bj?rnke, but I want to be able to move the control(just  
> block the resize), forgot to mention that in the first post.
>
> Sakari Ruoho



From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Mon Feb 18 08:04:16 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:04:16 +0200
Subject: Blocking resize
In-Reply-To: <E7BF11DA-BF42-4E22-ABA4-CDAD4DE0FD20@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
	<52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>
	<4782B6D4-85FE-4E33-89EE-4DF77A338874@academica.com>
	<E7BF11DA-BF42-4E22-ABA4-CDAD4DE0FD20@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F7D67880-B230-4F8D-9BC2-53B7E6E55969@academica.com>

Hiya Mark,

I should learn to state my problem better.. sorry for that.

The basic idea is that I want the user to be able to use the pointer  
tool where some objects can be resized and some can't. The objects  
which cannot be resizen are groups with objects in them. I call them  
components.

As I understand, while the pointer tool is chosen, the revolution  
don't send mouseDown messages, correct?

Now the grab command would do this for me, but then I would have to  
change the tool to browser and keep the pointer cursor in order to  
'cheat' the user thinking that the tool is not changing. Maybe this is  
the only way to achieve this, but this is why I'm asking. Playing with  
cursors and tools gets the code much more messy, so I want to avoid  
this if possible.

Maybe the problem is not a programming problem, but application design  
one. Still lots to learn from Revolution I reckon :D


Sakari Ruoho

On Feb 18, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Sakari Ruoho,
>
> If you set the lockLoc to true, you can still move the control  
> around by script, depending on what you want to achieve, you might  
> use e.g.
>
> on mouseDown
>  repeat while the mouse is down with messages
>    set the loc of me to the mouseLoc
>    wait 0 millisecs with messages
>  end repeat
> end mouseDown
>
> or
>
> on mouseDown
> grab me
> end mouseDown
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color  
> Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
> Op 18-feb-2008, om 13:34 heeft Sakari Ruoho het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Thanks Bj?rnke, but I want to be able to move the control(just  
>> block the resize), forgot to mention that in the first post.
>>
>> Sakari Ruoho
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 18 08:10:38 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:10:38 +0100
Subject: Blocking resize
In-Reply-To: <F7D67880-B230-4F8D-9BC2-53B7E6E55969@academica.com>
References: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
	<52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>
	<4782B6D4-85FE-4E33-89EE-4DF77A338874@academica.com>
	<E7BF11DA-BF42-4E22-ABA4-CDAD4DE0FD20@economy-x-talk.com>
	<F7D67880-B230-4F8D-9BC2-53B7E6E55969@academica.com>
Message-ID: <66FFADC1-F4A0-4081-8B92-670F6792791F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sakari Ruoho,

I believe you have to emulate your own pointer tool. Create tiny  
buttons and place them at the corners of the object you want to  
change. Allow the user to drag these buttons and change the size of  
the object while the buttons are dragged.

Why do you want to do this?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 18-feb-2008, om 14:04 heeft Sakari Ruoho het volgende geschreven:

> Hiya Mark,
>
> I should learn to state my problem better.. sorry for that.
>
> The basic idea is that I want the user to be able to use the  
> pointer tool where some objects can be resized and some can't. The  
> objects which cannot be resizen are groups with objects in them. I  
> call them components.
>
> As I understand, while the pointer tool is chosen, the revolution  
> don't send mouseDown messages, correct?
>
> Now the grab command would do this for me, but then I would have to  
> change the tool to browser and keep the pointer cursor in order to  
> 'cheat' the user thinking that the tool is not changing. Maybe this  
> is the only way to achieve this, but this is why I'm asking.  
> Playing with cursors and tools gets the code much more messy, so I  
> want to avoid this if possible.
>
> Maybe the problem is not a programming problem, but application  
> design one. Still lots to learn from Revolution I reckon :D
>
>
> Sakari Ruoho
>


From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Mon Feb 18 08:24:42 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:24:42 +0200
Subject: Blocking resize
In-Reply-To: <66FFADC1-F4A0-4081-8B92-670F6792791F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <5B9B4066-B684-4FB7-9BE0-2250B1132654@academica.com>
	<52675C5C-511C-4205-A3F8-9F67C9FE9E83@mac.com>
	<4782B6D4-85FE-4E33-89EE-4DF77A338874@academica.com>
	<E7BF11DA-BF42-4E22-ABA4-CDAD4DE0FD20@economy-x-talk.com>
	<F7D67880-B230-4F8D-9BC2-53B7E6E55969@academica.com>
	<66FFADC1-F4A0-4081-8B92-670F6792791F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <19A8C52C-91F1-4CAF-A867-CF17089A119D@academica.com>

Well my problem is, that I want to create these so called  
'components', which are groups with objects in it. Let's say one  
component could be a group with a button on top and an image. The  
button sets the filename for the image. Now If I would let the user  
resize the group, the button nor the image would scale with the group,  
which would be not looking good. Of course I could use different tool  
and calculate the new sizes for the objects, but the user will use the  
pointer tool for other single objects, so a different tool for these  
'components' would be very confusing for the user I think.

But really might be, that I need to redesing the UI idea I have come  
up with.

Sakari Ruoho

On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Sakari Ruoho,
>
> I believe you have to emulate your own pointer tool. Create tiny  
> buttons and place them at the corners of the object you want to  
> change. Allow the user to drag these buttons and change the size of  
> the object while the buttons are dragged.
>
> Why do you want to do this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color  
> Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
> Op 18-feb-2008, om 14:04 heeft Sakari Ruoho het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hiya Mark,
>>
>> I should learn to state my problem better.. sorry for that.
>>
>> The basic idea is that I want the user to be able to use the  
>> pointer tool where some objects can be resized and some can't. The  
>> objects which cannot be resizen are groups with objects in them. I  
>> call them components.
>>
>> As I understand, while the pointer tool is chosen, the revolution  
>> don't send mouseDown messages, correct?
>>
>> Now the grab command would do this for me, but then I would have to  
>> change the tool to browser and keep the pointer cursor in order to  
>> 'cheat' the user thinking that the tool is not changing. Maybe this  
>> is the only way to achieve this, but this is why I'm asking.  
>> Playing with cursors and tools gets the code much more messy, so I  
>> want to avoid this if possible.
>>
>> Maybe the problem is not a programming problem, but application  
>> design one. Still lots to learn from Revolution I reckon :D
>>
>>
>> Sakari Ruoho
>>
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From paolo.mazza at neol.it  Mon Feb 18 08:26:38 2008
From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:26:38 +0100
Subject: shell sudo from CGI - MACOSX
Message-ID: <fc.000f58e500efc928000f58e500efc928.efc947@fc.neol.it>

Following Sarah and Ken advices, I run this script from Revolution 2.6 .1
application,  and it works fine.

 put "XXX" into tPassword
put "YYY"  into COMMAND1
  put "pw="&tPassword & cr into tScript
put "echo $pw | sudo  -S" && COMMAND1 & cr after tScript
 get shell(tScript)

I tryed the same script, in the same machine,  from the CGI .
Unfortunately I got this answer:


WARNING: Improper use of the sudo command could lead to data loss or the
deletion of important system files. Please double-check your typing when
using sudo. Type "man sudo" for more information. To proceed, enter your
password, or type Ctrl-C to abort. Password: Sorry, try again. Password:
sudo: 1 incorrect password attempt

How can I use Sudo commands from the CGI in MACOSX ? 

Thanks, Paolo Mazza

******************************************

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NEOL SRL
Societ? partecipata da Universit? di Padova
via N. Tommaseo 84
35131 - Padova (Italy)
Tel 049- 2050147 - Fax 049-7964386
www.neol.it



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 18 11:07:28 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:07:28 -0800
Subject: Reducing image data size
In-Reply-To: <d15.1ae543a9.34eabe37@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3DEED40.4C2AE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I use 

set the imagedata of image myImportedJpg to image myImportedJpg

this sets the image size to the current rect and discards the previous large
data.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/18/08 2:55 AM, "FlexibleLearning at aol.com" <FlexibleLearning at aol.com>
wrote:

> If import a big image and reduce its dimensions to a thumbnail, how do I
> reduce the data size of the thumbnail?
>  
> If this has already been written up somewhere, could someone point it out  to
> me? The imageData dox entry describes what it is but not really how to use
> it.
>  
> (Hugh has shinpads on, ready for kicking self)
>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 18 12:02:07 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:07 -0600
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>
Message-ID: <47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>

Sakari Ruoho wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> First of all, my Revolution has turned to blue mushy thing and I don't 
> know why this has happened. Then I get behavior where the colors are 
> changing in an unexpected ways while setting backgroundPattern for an 
> object.

This looks a little like what happens if you change the monitor's color 
depth to a lower number of colors. Are you using thousands or millions 
of colors?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 18 13:43:10 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:43:10 -1000
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
Message-ID: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>

I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution Users List

Some wizard will know...

-------
Namaste, Swami

This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has changed?  Do you 
still have a copy of the old "mc" ?

Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work, versus 
running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the correct 
results at work, and incorrect results on vel.

Aum Aum

*_Vel:


_*------------
code
------------
#!/usr/local/bin/revolution

on startup
     read from stdin until empty
     put it into testdata

     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
          split thisline by "|"
          put thisline[1]
          put thisline[2]
          put thisline[3]
     end repeat

end startup
------------
data
------------
1|2|3|4
5|6|7|8
9|10|11|23
------------
results
------------
1
2
3
9
10
11


*_Work


_*

code
..........
#!/usr/local/bin/mc

on startup
     read from stdin until empty
     put it into testdata

     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
         
split thisline by "|"
          put
thisline[1]
          put
thisline[2]
          put
thisline[3]
     end repeat

end startup
..........
data
..........
1|2|3|4
5|6|7|8
9|10|11|23
..........
results
..........
1
2
3
5
6
7
9
10
11







From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 18 15:16:19 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:16:19 -1000
Subject: Many Cards vs. Lists vs. XML
In-Reply-To: <200802180733.07862.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802180733.07862.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47B9E793.9040308@hindu.org>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Sivakatirswami, thanks for a most interesting and thought provoking post and 
> approach that would never have occurred to me.  Perhaps the disadvantage of 
> it might be that exporting the data in a way that can be used by another 
> application might require extra work, if you feel the need to provide for 
> that? 

Work? I don't think so.., in  my "baby xtalk" way of coding

# export, tab delimited:

# let's get a header first
# assume card 1 has all fields that any record might have

  repeat with y = 1 to the number of flds of card 1
        put the short name of fld y & tab after tOutput
   end repeat

put cr after tOutput

# now the data:

put the card names of this stack into tRecords

repeat for each line x in tRecords
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of flds of card x
        put fld y & tab after the output
   end repeat
put cr after tOutput
end repeat

put tOutput into url "file:/myExport.txt"

Speed issues:

1) never load data runtime into a field (one line at a time) Always load 
a variable then put that into a field
(in case you are doing runtime lists-reports in the UI)
2) don't use " go to card x  # and then do stuff... instead. refer to 
the card by it's card name.. which you have
previously set to be the primary ID for the record-- which is  your key 
field in the UI...






>   
>
> But apart from that, its very interesting and I'll try it.
>
> Peter
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 16:59:07 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:59:07 -0600
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>

Katirswami,

If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack version' of the
problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't have a
Rev server available to test scripts on.

-Chipp

On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution Users List
>
> Some wizard will know...
>
> -------
> Namaste, Swami
>
> This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has changed?  Do you
> still have a copy of the old "mc" ?
>
> Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work, versus
> running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the correct
> results at work, and incorrect results on vel.
>
> Aum Aum
>
> *_Vel:
>
>
> _*------------
> code
> ------------
> #!/usr/local/bin/revolution
>
> on startup
>     read from stdin until empty
>     put it into testdata
>
>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>          split thisline by "|"
>          put thisline[1]
>          put thisline[2]
>          put thisline[3]
>     end repeat
>
> end startup
> ------------
> data
> ------------
> 1|2|3|4
> 5|6|7|8
> 9|10|11|23
> ------------
> results
> ------------
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 9
> 10
> 11
>
>
> *_Work
>
>
> _*
>
> code
> ..........
> #!/usr/local/bin/mc
>
> on startup
>     read from stdin until empty
>     put it into testdata
>
>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>
> split thisline by "|"
>          put
> thisline[1]
>          put
> thisline[2]
>          put
> thisline[3]
>     end repeat
>
> end startup
> ..........
> data
> ..........
> 1|2|3|4
> 5|6|7|8
> 9|10|11|23
> ..........
> results
> ..........
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 5
> 6
> 7
> 9
> 10
> 11
>
>
>
>
>
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Mon Feb 18 17:01:51 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:01:51 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3DB1CBF.8E37F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <C3DF6A7F.4CE7%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/15/08 3:41 AM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:
That?s what they say on there site, but I could understand only on small
files or records, my mistake. Then I might go with PostgreSQL which is a bit
slower then MySql on smaller db's but doesn't slow down as much as database
grows  like MySql, or maybe I'll look into valentina.
Hershel
But for sure post

> On 15/2/08 12:14 AM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
> 
>>> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
>> SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
>> big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
>> grows. 
>> Thanks, Hershel
> 
> Hi Hershel,
> 
> I believe above statement is FALSE.         :-)
> 
> SqlLite  NEVER is faster of mySQL.
>   may be only for TINY dbs.
> 
> 
> This is odd for me to be advocate of mySQL, :-)
>   but of course this is not true.
> 
> SqlLite is TINY engine, which uses SIMPLEST algorithms.
>   mySQL is 100-500 times bigger by size DBMS.
> 
> MySQL have incredible more powerful SQL, and only this means that you can
> get huge benefits when you work with remote server.
> 
> If talk about slow down with grow of db size, then excuse me,
>   I self did benches. And be sure I can do them correctly :-)
> 
> SqlLite start to be unacceptably slow even on tables with 10 or 100K
> records. Some not hardest queries take 30 seconds or even minutes.
> 
> I think you was foolished by feature of SqlLite "Instant Result". This means
> that e.g. RESULT of search on table with million records is 100K records,
> SqlLite finds the first and says that it have finish,
> 
> But this works only for single user engine. This trick cannot be used for
> multi-user DBMS, which must find all 100K records, put them under RESULT for
> user1, and setup record locks.
> 
> I want again repeat one point for SqlLite fans. If db world was so simple
> that SqlLite engine in 300K beats mySQL then ask self why mySQL/Oracle/MS
> SQL/Sybase/DB2/Ingres/ Valentina developers bother self developing soooo
> complex DB systems???!!!  May be tasks are not so simple when you start move
> more deeply...
> 
> 
> -----------
> Of course mySQL also is not best speed daemon :-)
> 
> For example, my own ISP provider have billin system that use mySQL, on db
> with 2-3 Gb, mySQL starts to think minutes, so browsers just get timeouts
> and people cannot see results
> 
> Or For example, on developer year ago have switch from mySQL to Valentina,
> and his 5 minutes query under mySQL not get 1 sec or even 0.1 sec.
> 



From hershf at rgllc.us  Mon Feb 18 17:03:59 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:03:59 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <200802152255.m1FMtqd9010681@sddev.castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <C3DF6AFF.4CE8%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/15/08 5:55 PM, "Sadhunathan Nadesan" <sadhu at castandcrew.com> wrote:

> FYI
> 
> PostgreSQL is free.
> 
> Sadhu
Thanks, I'm using it a while and its good as well
> 
> 
> 
>> ............
>> From: Hershel Fisch <hershf at rgllc.us>
>> Subject: Re: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> 
>>>> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not sure what kind of database requirements you have.
>> SQL  rdbms, and I was thinking to use "sqLITE" because its fast even with
>> big bases and most hosting sites use mySql which slows down as the database
>> grows. I wanted to use PostgreSQL but I don?t find any body with it for a
>> decent price
>>>>>> 
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From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Mon Feb 18 17:07:35 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:07:35 +0200
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>
	<47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>

Hello Jacqueline

Millions


Sakari Ruoho
Software Designer
Academica Information Ltd
sakari.ruoho at academica.com

On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:02 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Sakari Ruoho wrote:
>> Hello!
>> First of all, my Revolution has turned to blue mushy thing and I  
>> don't know why this has happened. Then I get behavior where the  
>> colors are changing in an unexpected ways while setting  
>> backgroundPattern for an object.
>
> This looks a little like what happens if you change the monitor's  
> color depth to a lower number of colors. Are you using thousands or  
> millions of colors?
>
> -- 
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From francois.vanzeveren at ibelgique.com  Mon Feb 18 17:30:34 2008
From: francois.vanzeveren at ibelgique.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXM=?= Vanzeveren)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:30:34 +0100
Subject: When and how to use "lock messages"
Message-ID: <C3DFC59A.242%francois.vanzeveren@ibelgique.com>

Hello all,

I am confused about when to use the statement ?lock messages? in setProp
handlers. I found the explanation in the User Guide very unclear.
Page 183, the statement "lock messages" is used in the example "lastChanged"
to prevent recursion. On the same page, the exemple "percentUsed" does not
use the statement... I do not understand the difference between these
exemples. I would have expected to use the statement in "percentUsed" as
well in order to prevent recursion.

Thanks for your help.

Fran?ois 


From francois.vanzeveren at ibelgique.com  Mon Feb 18 17:37:17 2008
From: francois.vanzeveren at ibelgique.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXM=?= Vanzeveren)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:37:17 +0100
Subject: Looking for a control in a group
Message-ID: <C3DFC72D.245%francois.vanzeveren@ibelgique.com>

    Hello All,

I am trying to write a piece of code to search for a control (based on the
ID) within a group.
I am looking for something like
Foreach field f in group ?mygroup?
-- do something on f
End

How can I do sth like this? Maybe there is a faster way to find a specific
control within a group?

Thanks for your help.

Fran?ois


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 17:41:58 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:41:58 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jacque,

I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested
JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?

Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA,
Chipp


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Feb 18 17:44:01 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:44:01 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802181444w7dc0eed2k4c2d84dc4e7ffcc6@mail.gmail.com>

Chipp,

I am also on JaguarPC, I have a host of Revolution Apps running there.
I can help you setup your environment in case you need.

It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in there.

cheers
Andre

On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
>
> I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested
> JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
>
> Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA,
> Chipp
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 17:46:23 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:46:23 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802181444w7dc0eed2k4c2d84dc4e7ffcc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10802181444w7dc0eed2k4c2d84dc4e7ffcc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181446r56c70cb6jcf5684234dcecaab@mail.gmail.com>

Andre,

So what do I do? Just go to their website, buy an account...then what? Sorry
to act so stupid.

-C

On Feb 18, 2008 4:44 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Chipp,
>
> I am also on JaguarPC, I have a host of Revolution Apps running there.
> I can help you setup your environment in case you need.
>
> It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in
> there.
>
> cheers
> Andre
>
> On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jacque,
> >
> > I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you
> suggested
> > JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
> >
> > Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips?
> TIA,
> > Chipp
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 18 17:48:55 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:48:55 +0100
Subject: Looking for a control in a group
In-Reply-To: <C3DFC72D.245%francois.vanzeveren@ibelgique.com>
References: <C3DFC72D.245%francois.vanzeveren@ibelgique.com>
Message-ID: <BE452197-5119-4D00-9A0B-2750FADF799C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hoi Fran?ois,

The easiest way probably is

repeat with x = 1 to number of controls of grp "blabla"
   -- do something with control x of grp "blabla"
end repeat

It might be faster to make a list of id numbers of controls that  
satisfy particular conditions as you make those controls. You can  
keep such a list in a custom property. That way, you can call the  
controls directly. You might want to do this, if you have a very  
large number of controls in your group.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 18-feb-2008, om 23:37 heeft Fran?ois Vanzeveren het volgende  
geschreven:

>     Hello All,
>
> I am trying to write a piece of code to search for a control (based  
> on the
> ID) within a group.
> I am looking for something like
> Foreach field f in group ?mygroup?
> -- do something on f
> End
>
> How can I do sth like this? Maybe there is a faster way to find a  
> specific
> control within a group?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Fran?ois



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Feb 18 18:00:10 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:00:10 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181446r56c70cb6jcf5684234dcecaab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10802181444w7dc0eed2k4c2d84dc4e7ffcc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181446r56c70cb6jcf5684234dcecaab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802181500y161a8c04va92aaa4afe1a3338@mail.gmail.com>

Chipp,

they have many hosting plans with different abilities, I've migrated
three times, going to higher level plans everytime since they offer
some nice discounts for upgrading.

The first thing is to decide if you simply want a hosting account or a
full blown virtual private server. Both are cheap, I have a VPS.

The vps plans are here: http://www.jaguarpc.com/vps-hosting/
The hosting plans are here: http://www.jaguarpc.com/shared-hosting/

I'd avise to go with a VPS, they are more powerful and you have access
to a full blown linux environment where you can install anything.

One good thing is to keep an eye at their discount forum where they
give time limited discount cupons, with one of those you ca have 50%
more diskspace and other benefits for free.

the discount thread is here
http://www.jaguarpc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=100

So what you do is register for an account, they after some time, they
send you an email with all the login info. You can access your files
by FTP and you have SSH enabled so you can drop to the terminal to do
hands on setup if you want.

I've devised a nice way to setup Revolution for multiple hosts on the
same linux which might be nice to use. I've been using it in many
projects, it's easier since a central revolution repository is able to
work for many virtual domains, this way, it's easier to maintain the
server.

Right now I have a Freedon VPS plan with some benefits such as 50%
more disk and RAM and some reseller softwares that enable me to resell
accounts on my box. I am not in the business of reselling yet but I
use this features to create accounts for my clients.

JaguarPC support works very well and I never stood more than some
hours without an answer and a solution. Their ticket system works very
well.

If you have any doubts you can just drop an email :-D

Cheers
andre


On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> Andre,
>
> So what do I do? Just go to their website, buy an account...then what? Sorry
> to act so stupid.
>
> -C
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 4:44 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
> > Chipp,
> >
> > I am also on JaguarPC, I have a host of Revolution Apps running there.
> > I can help you setup your environment in case you need.
> >
> > It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in
> > there.
> >
> > cheers
> > Andre
> >
> > On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Jacque,
> > >
> > > I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you
> > suggested
> > > JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
> > >
> > > Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips?
> > TIA,
> > > Chipp
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> >
> >
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 18 19:11:06 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:11:06 -1000
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>
	<7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Katirswami,
>
> If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack version' of the
> problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't have a
> Rev server available to test scripts on.
>
> -Chipp
>   

right... good idea  --- also we get to see if we can reproduce in a 
different context

bad news is : yes... appears to be broken

we are running 2.6.1 for Linux on the web server and

this is also broken in 2.9

go stack url 
"http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"

on mouseUp
  # Test Split

put  fld "dataIn" into testData

------------
> 1|2|3|4
> 5|6|7|8
> 9|10|11|23
> ------------



 repeat for each line thisline in testdata
 split thisline by "|"
put thisline[1] & cr after tOutput
 put thisline[2]  & cr after tOutput
 put thisline[3]  & cr after tOutput
 end repeat
put tOutput into fld "OutPut"

end mouseUp

#output:



1
2
3


9
10
11

it's skipping line 2 of the input data


> On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution Users List
>>
>> Some wizard will know...
>>
>> -------
>> Namaste, Swami
>>
>> This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has changed?  Do you
>> still have a copy of the old "mc" ?
>>
>> Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work, versus
>> running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the correct
>> results at work, and incorrect results on vel.
>>
>> Aum Aum
>>
>> *_Vel:
>>
>>
>> _*------------
>> code
>> ------------
>> #!/usr/local/bin/revolution
>>
>> on startup
>>     read from stdin until empty
>>     put it into testdata
>>
>>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>          split thisline by "|"
>>          put thisline[1]
>>          put thisline[2]
>>          put thisline[3]
>>     end repeat
>>
>> end startup
>> ------------
>> data
>> ------------
>> 1|2|3|4
>> 5|6|7|8
>> 9|10|11|23
>> ------------
>> results
>> ------------
>> 1
>> 2
>> 3
>> 9
>> 10
>> 11
>>
>>
>> *_Work
>>
>>
>> _*
>>
>> code
>> ..........
>> #!/usr/local/bin/mc
>>
>> on startup
>>     read from stdin until empty
>>     put it into testdata
>>
>>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>
>> split thisline by "|"
>>          put
>> thisline[1]
>>          put
>> thisline[2]
>>          put
>> thisline[3]
>>     end repeat
>>
>> end startup
>> ..........
>> data
>> ..........
>> 1|2|3|4
>> 5|6|7|8
>> 9|10|11|23
>> ..........
>> results
>> ..........
>> 1
>> 2
>> 3
>> 5
>> 6
>> 7
>> 9
>> 10
>> 11
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 18 19:56:18 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:56:18 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BA2932.9070304@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
 > Hi Jacque,
 >
 > I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you 
suggested
 > JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?

I still use them and I still recommend them. Andre has answered most of 
your questions, but I'll just add that I am on their basic, $10/month 
plan and even with that I can do most of what Andre is doing. I don't 
install my own Linux components but Jag is flexible enough that if you 
want something that won't disrupt their servers, they'll install just 
about anything for you. (You have your own cgi folder and they don't 
care what you put in there. I have several Rev CGIs running.) The basic 
plan offers plenty of diskspace for my needs; I haven't used a fraction 
of the diskspace or bandwidth that comes with the package. I believe all 
accounts have reseller priveleges, I think that comes with any package, 
though I don't use it.

And yes, you just sign up and you're in. It's all automated so it 
doesn't take any time. And as Andre pointed out, their tech support is 
very good.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 18 19:58:54 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:58:54 -0600
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>	<47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>
Message-ID: <47BA29CE.4000101@hyperactivesw.com>

Sakari Ruoho wrote:
> Hello Jacqueline
> 
> Millions

I'm not sure what the problem is then, but it does look like a monitor 
issue. If you changed color depth while Rev was running, restarting Rev 
should help. If that isn't it, then I'm not sure. The appearance is the 
same as what I saw one time when I changed color depth though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From hershf at rgllc.us  Mon Feb 18 20:04:43 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:04:43 -0500
Subject: 2.9 b4
Message-ID: <C3DF955B.4CF9%hershf@rgllc.us>

Hi, I don?t know exactly how to describe it, but the  2.9 db4 the tool bar
gives some problems on the 10.3.9 osx

Hershel



From hershf at rgllc.us  Mon Feb 18 20:06:34 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:06:34 -0500
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/18/08 5:41 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
Hi this is what i use (unfortunately I'm stuck without being able to use db
do to lack of knowledge)
http://www.3ix.org/index.php
Check it out 
http://www.syp2u4c.com/indecs.html
Just hit the log in icon

Works well and its cheap
hershel
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested
> JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
> 
> Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA,
> Chipp
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 18 20:40:00 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:40:00 -1000
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>	<7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <47BA3370.2040604@hindu.org>

go stack url 
"http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"

turns out it is skipping every other line in the input data.


Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>> Katirswami,
>>
>> If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack version' 
>> of the
>> problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't 
>> have a
>> Rev server available to test scripts on.
>>
>> -Chipp
>>   
>
> right... good idea  --- also we get to see if we can reproduce in a 
> different context
>
> bad news is : yes... appears to be broken
>
> we are running 2.6.1 for Linux on the web server and
>
> this is also broken in 2.9
>
> go stack url 
> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>
> on mouseUp
>  # Test Split
>
> put  fld "dataIn" into testData
>
> ------------
>> 1|2|3|4
>> 5|6|7|8
>> 9|10|11|23
>> ------------
>
>
>
> repeat for each line thisline in testdata
> split thisline by "|"
> put thisline[1] & cr after tOutput
> put thisline[2]  & cr after tOutput
> put thisline[3]  & cr after tOutput
> end repeat
> put tOutput into fld "OutPut"
>
> end mouseUp
>
> #output:
>
>
>
> 1
> 2
> 3
>
>
> 9
> 10
> 11
>
> it's skipping line 2 of the input data
>
>
>> On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution Users List
>>>
>>> Some wizard will know...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> Namaste, Swami
>>>
>>> This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has changed?  Do you
>>> still have a copy of the old "mc" ?
>>>
>>> Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work, 
>>> versus
>>> running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the correct
>>> results at work, and incorrect results on vel.
>>>
>>> Aum Aum
>>>
>>> *_Vel:
>>>
>>>
>>> _*------------
>>> code
>>> ------------
>>> #!/usr/local/bin/revolution
>>>
>>> on startup
>>>     read from stdin until empty
>>>     put it into testdata
>>>
>>>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>          split thisline by "|"
>>>          put thisline[1]
>>>          put thisline[2]
>>>          put thisline[3]
>>>     end repeat
>>>
>>> end startup
>>> ------------
>>> data
>>> ------------
>>> 1|2|3|4
>>> 5|6|7|8
>>> 9|10|11|23
>>> ------------
>>> results
>>> ------------
>>> 1
>>> 2
>>> 3
>>> 9
>>> 10
>>> 11
>>>
>>>
>>> *_Work
>>>
>>>
>>> _*
>>>
>>> code
>>> ..........
>>> #!/usr/local/bin/mc
>>>
>>> on startup
>>>     read from stdin until empty
>>>     put it into testdata
>>>
>>>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>
>>> split thisline by "|"
>>>          put
>>> thisline[1]
>>>          put
>>> thisline[2]
>>>          put
>>> thisline[3]
>>>     end repeat
>>>
>>> end startup
>>> ..........
>>> data
>>> ..........
>>> 1|2|3|4
>>> 5|6|7|8
>>> 9|10|11|23
>>> ..........
>>> results
>>> ..........
>>> 1
>>> 2
>>> 3
>>> 5
>>> 6
>>> 7
>>> 9
>>> 10
>>> 11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 20:42:50 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:42:50 +0900
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>

The Rev archives had a thread on this topic
a while back, and Dreamhost.com was another
host that got favorable reviews.

In my own case, this word-of-mouth, their rates,
and the existence of archived messages specific to
setting up "CGI + Dreamhost" were what
convinced me.  And, yes, it wasn't that painful
to set up, except for MySQL, but, even that's
working fine now (except for Japanese text!),
thanks to the archives and particularly fellow
Rev/Dreamhost user Bridger M.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 21:14:35 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:14:35 +0900
Subject: Rev CGI, MySQL & Japanese text
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802181814r19b30100wa6a2aedd51a6d8bf@mail.gmail.com>

Going even further out on a limb than I usually do ...

Finally got a rev.cgi script that can connect and
query a MySQL database (both on a web-server):

#!revolution
on startup
-- This is an edited example.
put revOpenDatabase(...) into connectionID
put "SELECT * FROM `tableNihongo`" into sql
put revDataFromQuery(,,connectionID,sql) into vResults
put vResults & return after buffer
put "Content-Type: text/plain" & return
put "Content-Length:" && the length of buffer & return & return
put buffer
end startup

Problem is, when I use my HTML browser to call that rev.cgi script,
the table's English elements are readable but not the Japanese.

Browsing that table in phpMyAdmin, though, those Japanese elements
get correctly displayed.

I'm guessing this is an encoding issue, since the garbled
Japanese appears as two question marks for each character.
And so, I've been *blindly* trying different combinations of
character sets in the table collations (sjis_japanese_ci &
utf8_unicode_ci), adding a charset for the script above (shift_jist
& utf-8), and Rev's uniEncode/uniDecode commands.

An obscure question, but...

Thank you for your attention.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From chris at altuit.com  Mon Feb 18 21:15:17 2008
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:15:17 -0600
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <47BA3370.2040604@hindu.org>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>
	<7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org> <47BA3370.2040604@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750802181815n428aad75n99f503ad4de4f616@mail.gmail.com>

from the docs on repeat foreach:

  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement inside the
loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the content of the
container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results.


--
cb

On Feb 18, 2008 7:40 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> go stack url
> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>
> turns out it is skipping every other line in the input data.
>
>
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
> > Chipp Walters wrote:
> >> Katirswami,
> >>
> >> If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack version'
> >> of the
> >> problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't
> >> have a
> >> Rev server available to test scripts on.
> >>
> >> -Chipp
> >>
> >
> > right... good idea  --- also we get to see if we can reproduce in a
> > different context
> >
> > bad news is : yes... appears to be broken
> >
> > we are running 2.6.1 for Linux on the web server and
> >
> > this is also broken in 2.9
> >
> > go stack url
> > "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >  # Test Split
> >
> > put  fld "dataIn" into testData
> >
> > ------------
> >> 1|2|3|4
> >> 5|6|7|8
> >> 9|10|11|23
> >> ------------
> >
> >
> >
> > repeat for each line thisline in testdata
> > split thisline by "|"
> > put thisline[1] & cr after tOutput
> > put thisline[2]  & cr after tOutput
> > put thisline[3]  & cr after tOutput
> > end repeat
> > put tOutput into fld "OutPut"
> >
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > #output:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1
> > 2
> > 3
> >
> >
> > 9
> > 10
> > 11
> >
> > it's skipping line 2 of the input data
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution Users List
> >>>
> >>> Some wizard will know...
> >>>
> >>> -------
> >>> Namaste, Swami
> >>>
> >>> This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has changed?  Do you
> >>> still have a copy of the old "mc" ?
> >>>
> >>> Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work,
> >>> versus
> >>> running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the correct
> >>> results at work, and incorrect results on vel.
> >>>
> >>> Aum Aum
> >>>
> >>> *_Vel:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _*------------
> >>> code
> >>> ------------
> >>> #!/usr/local/bin/revolution
> >>>
> >>> on startup
> >>>     read from stdin until empty
> >>>     put it into testdata
> >>>
> >>>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
> >>>          split thisline by "|"
> >>>          put thisline[1]
> >>>          put thisline[2]
> >>>          put thisline[3]
> >>>     end repeat
> >>>
> >>> end startup
> >>> ------------
> >>> data
> >>> ------------
> >>> 1|2|3|4
> >>> 5|6|7|8
> >>> 9|10|11|23
> >>> ------------
> >>> results
> >>> ------------
> >>> 1
> >>> 2
> >>> 3
> >>> 9
> >>> 10
> >>> 11
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *_Work
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _*
> >>>
> >>> code
> >>> ..........
> >>> #!/usr/local/bin/mc
> >>>
> >>> on startup
> >>>     read from stdin until empty
> >>>     put it into testdata
> >>>
> >>>     repeat for each line thisline in testdata
> >>>
> >>> split thisline by "|"
> >>>          put
> >>> thisline[1]
> >>>          put
> >>> thisline[2]
> >>>          put
> >>> thisline[3]
> >>>     end repeat
> >>>
> >>> end startup
> >>> ..........
> >>> data
> >>> ..........
> >>> 1|2|3|4
> >>> 5|6|7|8
> >>> 9|10|11|23
> >>> ..........
> >>> results
> >>> ..........
> >>> 1
> >>> 2
> >>> 3
> >>> 5
> >>> 6
> >>> 7
> >>> 9
> >>> 10
> >>> 11
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-revolution mailing list
> >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>>
> >>>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 21:15:37 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:15:37 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option. So,
exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux
one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. The latest one available
from the RunRev site is 2-6.1, so do I just put the revolution.x86 file
there? And what about licensing-- do I have to worry about that? Also, do I
include all the .dlls like ssleay.dll or libeay32.dll?

I can't find any of this in any of the tutorials. TIA, Chipp


From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 21:22:32 2008
From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:22:32 -0800
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <12AA09A4-1510-4576-BFCB-CBCE5E940F67@gmail.com>
References: <20080214180005.CB11D488EC4@mail.runrev.com>
	<7273CE01-D138-46BE-84BE-BC2C2491B670@mac.com>
	<12AA09A4-1510-4576-BFCB-CBCE5E940F67@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4be051070802181822k1ac06c4ex5cc6bfb852ff1673@mail.gmail.com>

You (all) should!

I played flute & piccolo (and recorder... and piano for about a year
and a half) from 5th grade through high school and am just now picking
it up again.  Just bought myself a new (used) open hole, sterling head
flute ('cuz I always wanted one) and had my picc serviced and am
working up the courage to call a local teacher to begin private
lessons again.

It feels good... the chops do come back (and for playing the picc,
THAT'S really saying something!).

Musically yours,

Judy



On Feb 15, 2008 4:55 AM, J. Downs <downs.david.j at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> ...  I really should start again.  Good for the soul.
>


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 21:42:57 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:42:57 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>

And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to
revolution.cgi? And if I try Jacque's helloworld script:



 #!revolution

 on startup
 put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
 put "Hello World!"
 end startup

and I name it "hello.cgi" how does it know to run with the
revolution.cgi? So may questions...


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 21:46:31 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:46:31 +0800
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <4be051070802181822k1ac06c4ex5cc6bfb852ff1673@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080214180005.CB11D488EC4@mail.runrev.com>
	<7273CE01-D138-46BE-84BE-BC2C2491B670@mac.com>
	<12AA09A4-1510-4576-BFCB-CBCE5E940F67@gmail.com>
	<4be051070802181822k1ac06c4ex5cc6bfb852ff1673@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802181846o225ddec2hcfc9a88be8fc58b8@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 19, 2008 10:22 AM, Judy Perry <katheryn.swynford at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just bought myself a new (used) open hole, sterling head
> flute ('cuz I always wanted one)


Sorry, but the mention of jazz and flute in the same thread immediately
brings to mind the scene from Anchorman with Will Ferrell.


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 21:49:36 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:49:36 +0900
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802181849h1ddff7d2g7154dec458052353@mail.gmail.com>

I uploaded the engine and, for mysql work, the file dbmysql.so
both to my cgi-bin folder, and set their permissions (CHMOD)
to 755. Any scripts I make are also in that same cgi-bin folder
and also set to 755, plus I make sure the name and case of
the rev engine matches the name and case in the first line of
a cgi script.

> And what about licensing-- do I have to worry about that?

I don't know for sure but, RunRev is royalty-free for standalones
so it seems safe to assume that licensing of the engine for cgi
work too is royalty-free.

By the way, besides the tutorials the archives too are a
great help. To search them, I use google thus:

http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 21:55:10 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:55:10 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70802181849h1ddff7d2g7154dec458052353@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70802181849h1ddff7d2g7154dec458052353@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181855wdb6f18bj9f6e3303e82c58e1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Nicolas,

Yep, I see where the engine needs to be named "revolution" (no
extension) and that the first line in the cgi script will call it. I'm
using the Linux version of revolution on the server but I can't seem
to get it to work. I wonder if there's some other setup which must be
done.

-Chipp

PS, yes I know about Gmane and Google:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Search.htm


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 21:57:16 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:57:16 +0900
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802181857v306e4e8bgdeccebacc93e646c@mail.gmail.com>

> And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to
> revolution.cgi?

Not "revolution.cgi". Just, "revolution". Because that's
what the first line of your helloworld script calls it.


> how does it know to run with the
> revolution.cgi?

The way I understand this mystery is that the first line
of your script tells your webhost's server what cgi engine
it is intended for.

A couple of other newbie things to watch out for and
which I still overlook:  be sure to set the permissions (chmod)
of "revolution" and your scripts to 755; and, type your scripts
in a no-frills text editor, or else you'll have invisible end-of-line
characters mysteriously gumming up your scripts.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 18 22:00:13 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:00:13 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BA463D.2020807@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option. So,
> exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux
> one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. The latest one available
> from the RunRev site is 2-6.1, so do I just put the revolution.x86 file
> there?

Yes.

> And what about licensing-- do I have to worry about that?

No.


> Also, do I
> include all the .dlls like ssleay.dll or libeay32.dll?

No, you don't need anything but the engine.

> 
> I can't find any of this in any of the tutorials.

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/intro.html#Installing>

"make a copy of your Revolution application and place it in the cgi 
folder on your server. If you are running Apache, this is most likely a 
folder called "cgi" or "cgi-bin" located in your main web directory. You 
do not need to install any additional stacks ? only the Revolution 
executable is required."

;)


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 22:05:54 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:05:54 +0900
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181855wdb6f18bj9f6e3303e82c58e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70802181849h1ddff7d2g7154dec458052353@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181855wdb6f18bj9f6e3303e82c58e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802181905x5e16f6bfr7d264be1d7207711@mail.gmail.com>

>I'm  using the Linux version of revolution on the server but I can't seem
> to get it to work. I wonder if there's some other setup which must be
> done.

Beside setting permissions, one other thing to beware of is the format
you used for uploading the engine to cgi-bin. Maybe someone else can
explain the correct format for ftp'ing files, but I seem to recall it
was "binary".

Of course, the problem may be with the webhost itself. That's why I
switched webhosts, when my rev-cgi stuff that used to work suddenly
stopped. But, other Rev users here have posted that Jaguar PC works
for them, so probably it should work for you too -- though, I've read
that even within the same hosting company, the configuration of their
individual servers can vary, and thus, what works for one Jaguar PC
Revolutionary might not work for another Jaguar PC Revolutionary
because they are on the different physical server machines.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 18 22:07:27 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:07:27 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BA47EF.5090506@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to
> revolution.cgi?

You can rename it to anything -- or not rename it at all -- but I'd 
avoid any extensions. The main thing is that the top line of your script 
exactly matches the name of the engine in the cgi folder. Since 
"revolution.x86" is pretty long to type, I usually rename it "rev" and 
leave it at that. Then all my scripts start with "#!rev".

> And if I try Jacque's helloworld script:
> 
>  #!revolution
> 
>  on startup
>  put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
>  put "Hello World!"
>  end startup
> 
> and I name it "hello.cgi" how does it know to run with the
> revolution.cgi? So may questions...

If your engine is named "revolution.cgi" and the top of your script 
calls "revolution", the Rev engine won't be found. The server knows what 
app to run by reading the top line of the script and looking for a file 
with the same name in the CGI folder.

Also, don't forget permissions. Your sever error log will tell you if 
that's a problem. You can access and read your server logs at JaguarPC 
from within your control panel.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 18 22:09:47 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:09:47 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70802181857v306e4e8bgdeccebacc93e646c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e91b2b70802181857v306e4e8bgdeccebacc93e646c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BA487B.20807@hyperactivesw.com>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> A couple of other newbie things to watch out for and
> which I still overlook:  be sure to set the permissions (chmod)
> of "revolution" and your scripts to 755; and, type your scripts
> in a no-frills text editor, or else you'll have invisible end-of-line
> characters mysteriously gumming up your scripts.

Good point. When running on a Linux box, all line endings in scripts 
should be unix line endings (LF). No Windows LFCR.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 18 22:16:54 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:16:54 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BA47EF.5090506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181842k5d2a7c3j77fa02849585c587@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BA47EF.5090506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802181916v5879b4bag65c4923d4345881f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jacque and Nicolas and Andre,

Finally got it working. Turns out, even though the permissions showed
"777", they were not. I had to set them a different way than
right-clicking on them. After that, it worked fine.

Thanks a bunch for all your help....now off to create some CGI's :-)

Couple of notes to others trying this same thing:

1) As Jacque correctly mentions above, the name of the rev execuable
needs to be the same as the first line in the script...wasn't clear to
me. So, the first line invokes the engine...plus...it has to be the #1
line, not number 2 or number 3...(which it was for me as I had simply
copied and pasted Jacque's script...indents and all.)

2) The licensing issue for now is not one. I seem to remember an issue
sometime before...perhaps it was with distributing the engine...?

3) Make sure you upload the correct engine for the correct server.

4) Never could get Andre's stack "CGI-Tool" to work. It finally made a
connection, but that was it. I would suggest he consider adding a
"test connection" button like I have in MagicCarpet which can help
debug connection issues.

Thanks again,
Chipp


From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Mon Feb 18 22:42:13 2008
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:42:13 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BA2932.9070304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BA2932.9070304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7FA3A510-1384-4FD1-84AF-3EFC287E0C8F@daniels-mara.com>

Chipp,

Andre recommended them to us and we have switched. I like them a  
bunch. We host all of our GLX2 update files on there and run our Rev  
CGI's there as well.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2




On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
> > Hi Jacque,
> >
> > I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you  
> suggested
> > JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
>
> I still use them and I still recommend them. Andre has answered most  
> of your questions, but I'll just add that I am on their basic, $10/ 
> month plan and even with that I can do most of what Andre is doing.  
> I don't install my own Linux components but Jag is flexible enough  
> that if you want something that won't disrupt their servers, they'll  
> install just about anything for you. (You have your own cgi folder  
> and they don't care what you put in there. I have several Rev CGIs  
> running.) The basic plan offers plenty of diskspace for my needs; I  
> haven't used a fraction of the diskspace or bandwidth that comes  
> with the package. I believe all accounts have reseller priveleges, I  
> think that comes with any package, though I don't use it.
>
> And yes, you just sign up and you're in. It's all automated so it  
> doesn't take any time. And as Andre pointed out, their tech support  
> is very good.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Feb 18 22:59:33 2008
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:59:33 +1000
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BA5425.8060209@harryscollar.com>

Hi Chipp

Just had success using the 2.9.0-dp4 linux engine on my current webhost 
(www.asmallorange.com), who I have been using for a few years now. 
Previously only the 2.6 engine would work.

The main file didn't work so I had to use the "Standalone" file from the 
"Runtime/Linux/x86-32" folder.

regards
alex

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested
> JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them?
> 
> Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA,
> Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb 19 01:20:30 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:20:30 -0600
Subject: How fast is this!
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>

Spent some time chatting with Andre Garzia this evening and he showed me this:

http://himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon/

Andre and Sivakatirswami wrote it.

When you click on a letter, a 3000+ card stack is launched as a cgi,
it is sorted and returns the lexicon list for that letter and then
closes. It does all this in less than a second. The Lexicon stack is
over 1MB in size and contains the lexicon editor. The stack has zero
cgi or business logic pertaining to the cgi in it. The cgi does the
work, opening the stack and sorting the cards and compiling the data
and returning it to the webpage. Wow. Pretty darn fast...I'd say.

According to Andre, there tons of Rev cgi's at himalayanacademy.com,
sometimes multiple cgi's per page. They all run in a standard cgi way
on a standard Apache server. They've used them for years. Seems like a
pretty good use case.

-Chipp


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue Feb 19 02:29:33 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:29:33 +0200
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3DF6A7F.4CE7%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <C3E051FD.8EC1E%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 19/2/08 12:01 AM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:

Hi Hershel,

> On 2/15/08 3:41 AM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:
> That?s what they say on there site, but I could understand only on small
> files or records, my mistake.

> Then I might go with PostgreSQL which is a bit
> slower then MySql on smaller db's but doesn't slow down as much as database
> grows  like MySql,

I wonder where you have found info that mySQL is worse of others (SqlLite or
Postgre) on grow of db size ???

I do not think exists significant difference between mySQL and Postgre in
regard of dependence on db size...

> or maybe I'll look into valentina.

If you think about hosting, Valentina is unlikely choice. Only if you have
own server.

Valentina (we believe) is the best, first of all, for *application*
developers which will later distribute many copies of app.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Tue Feb 19 04:31:16 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:31:16 +0200
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <47BA29CE.4000101@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>	<47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>
	<47BA29CE.4000101@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <300F5024-B951-45F2-80E7-7932935B9D71@academica.com>

I have not changed color depth, but I think problem came about after  
installing Leopard. All the settings should be the originals, have not  
messed with 'em.  Should I call the lynch mob? ;)

I compiled a standalone and the same problem.. could this be a Leopard  
phenomenon?

Sakari Ruoho
Software Designer
Academica Information Ltd
sakari.ruoho at academica.com

On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:58 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Sakari Ruoho wrote:
>> Hello Jacqueline
>> Millions
>
> I'm not sure what the problem is then, but it does look like a  
> monitor issue. If you changed color depth while Rev was running,  
> restarting Rev should help. If that isn't it, then I'm not sure. The  
> appearance is the same as what I saw one time when I changed color  
> depth though.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Tue Feb 19 06:25:51 2008
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:25:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPDATE table and quote in a text
In-Reply-To: <B32913F4-FB0E-40B5-8878-DA5069FAADE2@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <15529083.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BC2F9BF7-34C6-490C-97E7-E299A5D0F276@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15530593.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<106BB962-A1F0-4BCE-A08A-BB7972341BA7@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15535637.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B32913F4-FB0E-40B5-8878-DA5069FAADE2@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <15560555.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hey Trevor,

This works (of course) fine :-)

Thanks a lot also to Mark and Viktoras

Horst


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Horst wrote:
>> I know, the easiest way would be to encode the data with  
>> base64encode. But
>> there must also be a way to  save a text f.e. like 1234'5'6??'ioup"#  
>> in a
>> varchar or text type. With base64encode it will f.e. not be possible  
>> to use
>> the "fulltext" indexing, which I will need. No, there must be  
>> another way.
>> SQL is not that silly and I learned, that RR is a a powerfull tool,  
>> if you
>> (or someone else) knows the "tricks". Once again the question: How  
>> to save
>> any text via RR to a SQL-Table as described before.
> 
> 
> Hi Horst,
> 
> You can definitely insert any text into a database using Rev as long  
> as you cleanse the input first. I've attached a modified handler from  
> libDatabase that you can use to escape strings you want to use in an  
> UPDATE clause.
> 
> SQLite only requires for single quote to be escaped. MySQL has a  
> slightly more complex escape sequence as does PostGreSQL. I haven't  
> tested the postgresql code myself but I based the code off of some  
> docs I found somewhere.
> 
> Here is an example of how you could use it:
> 
> ...
> put escapeStringForSQL("mysql", the text of field "UserSuppliedData")  
> into theData
> put format("UPDATE my_table SET user_data = '%s' WHERE ID = %u",  
> theData, theID) into theSQL
> ....
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
> 
> 
> 
> function escapeStringForSQL pDBType, pString
>      switch pDBType
>          case "mysql"
>              replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
> in pString --> \ to \\
>              replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(39)  
> in pString --> ' to \'
>              replace numtochar(34) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(34)  
> in pString --> " to \"
>              replace numtochar(0) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(48)  
> in pString --> NULL to \0
>              replace numtochar(26) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(90)  
> in pString --> Control-Z to \Z
>              replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
> in pString --> newline to \n
>              replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
> in pString --> carriage return to \r
>              replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
> in pString --> tab to \t
>              replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
> in pString --> backspace to \b
>              break
>          case "postgresql"
>              replace numtochar(92) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(92)  
> in pString --> \ to \\
>              replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
> in pString --> ' to ''
>              replace numtochar(12) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(102)  
> in pString --> formfeed to \f
>              replace numtochar(10) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(110)  
> in pString --> newline to \n
>              replace numtochar(13) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(114)  
> in pString --> carriage return to \r
>              replace numtochar(9) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(116)  
> in pString --> tab to \t
>              replace numtochar(8) with numtochar(92) & numtochar(98)  
> in pString --> backspace to \b
>              break
>          case "sqlite"
>          default
>              replace numtochar(39) with numtochar(39) & numtochar(39)  
> in pString --> ' to ''
>              break
>      end SWITCH
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Feb 19 07:37:24 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:37:24 +0100
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750802181815n428aad75n99f503ad4de4f616@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>
	<7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org> <47BA3370.2040604@hindu.org>
	<2e0cf4750802181815n428aad75n99f503ad4de4f616@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37629A25-3DAF-4C9D-A149-8FDD03505594@mac.com>

Yes this is completely counter intuitive, and completely stupidly  
broken from a user perspective:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3036

On 19 Feb 2008, at 03:15, chris bohnert wrote:

> from the docs on repeat foreach:
>
>  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement  
> inside the
> loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the content  
> of the
> container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results.
>
>
> --
> cb
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 7:40 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>
>> go stack url
>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>>
>> turns out it is skipping every other line in the input data.
>>
>>
>> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>> Chipp Walters wrote:
>>>> Katirswami,
>>>>
>>>> If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack  
>>>> version'
>>>> of the
>>>> problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't
>>>> have a
>>>> Rev server available to test scripts on.
>>>>
>>>> -Chipp
>>>>
>>>
>>> right... good idea  --- also we get to see if we can reproduce in a
>>> different context
>>>
>>> bad news is : yes... appears to be broken
>>>
>>> we are running 2.6.1 for Linux on the web server and
>>>
>>> this is also broken in 2.9
>>>
>>> go stack url
>>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>> # Test Split
>>>
>>> put  fld "dataIn" into testData
>>>
>>> ------------
>>>> 1|2|3|4
>>>> 5|6|7|8
>>>> 9|10|11|23
>>>> ------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>> split thisline by "|"
>>> put thisline[1] & cr after tOutput
>>> put thisline[2]  & cr after tOutput
>>> put thisline[3]  & cr after tOutput
>>> end repeat
>>> put tOutput into fld "OutPut"
>>>
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> #output:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1
>>> 2
>>> 3
>>>
>>>
>>> 9
>>> 10
>>> 11
>>>
>>> it's skipping line 2 of the input data
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution Users  
>>>>> List
>>>>>
>>>>> Some wizard will know...
>>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Namaste, Swami
>>>>>
>>>>> This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has changed?   
>>>>> Do you
>>>>> still have a copy of the old "mc" ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work,
>>>>> versus
>>>>> running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the  
>>>>> correct
>>>>> results at work, and incorrect results on vel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aum Aum
>>>>>
>>>>> *_Vel:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _*------------
>>>>> code
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> #!/usr/local/bin/revolution
>>>>>
>>>>> on startup
>>>>>    read from stdin until empty
>>>>>    put it into testdata
>>>>>
>>>>>    repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>>>         split thisline by "|"
>>>>>         put thisline[1]
>>>>>         put thisline[2]
>>>>>         put thisline[3]
>>>>>    end repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> end startup
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> data
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> 1|2|3|4
>>>>> 5|6|7|8
>>>>> 9|10|11|23
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> results
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> 1
>>>>> 2
>>>>> 3
>>>>> 9
>>>>> 10
>>>>> 11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *_Work
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _*
>>>>>
>>>>> code
>>>>> ..........
>>>>> #!/usr/local/bin/mc
>>>>>
>>>>> on startup
>>>>>    read from stdin until empty
>>>>>    put it into testdata
>>>>>
>>>>>    repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>>>
>>>>> split thisline by "|"
>>>>>         put
>>>>> thisline[1]
>>>>>         put
>>>>> thisline[2]
>>>>>         put
>>>>> thisline[3]
>>>>>    end repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> end startup
>>>>> ..........
>>>>> data
>>>>> ..........
>>>>> 1|2|3|4
>>>>> 5|6|7|8
>>>>> 9|10|11|23
>>>>> ..........
>>>>> results
>>>>> ..........
>>>>> 1
>>>>> 2
>>>>> 3
>>>>> 5
>>>>> 6
>>>>> 7
>>>>> 9
>>>>> 10
>>>>> 11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Feb 19 08:15:31 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:15:31 -0600
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <300F5024-B951-45F2-80E7-7932935B9D71@academica.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>	<47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>	<D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>	<47BA29CE.4000101@hyperactivesw.com>
	<300F5024-B951-45F2-80E7-7932935B9D71@academica.com>
Message-ID: <47BAD673.70401@crcom.net>

I'm not a Mac user, but wasn't there something about the "metal" look 
and feel on Leopard that got messed up?

len

Sakari Ruoho wrote:
> I have not changed color depth, but I think problem came about after 
> installing Leopard. All the settings should be the originals, have not 
> messed with 'em.  Should I call the lynch mob? ;)
>
> I compiled a standalone and the same problem.. could this be a Leopard 
> phenomenon?
>
> Sakari Ruoho
> Software Designer
> Academica Information Ltd
> sakari.ruoho at academica.com
>
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:58 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Sakari Ruoho wrote:
>>> Hello Jacqueline
>>> Millions
>>
>> I'm not sure what the problem is then, but it does look like a 
>> monitor issue. If you changed color depth while Rev was running, 
>> restarting Rev should help. If that isn't it, then I'm not sure. The 
>> appearance is the same as what I saw one time when I changed color 
>> depth though.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Feb 19 08:30:37 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:30:37 +0000
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <37629A25-3DAF-4C9D-A149-8FDD03505594@mac.com>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>
	<7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org> <47BA3370.2040604@hindu.org>
	<2e0cf4750802181815n428aad75n99f503ad4de4f616@mail.gmail.com>
	<37629A25-3DAF-4C9D-A149-8FDD03505594@mac.com>
Message-ID: <40D91A8A-EEA0-4930-8F7D-01883A2BC7C5@maseurope.net>

However, the solution is very simple:

repeat for each line tLine in tList
   put tLine into tempLine
   <doSomething to tempLine>
  end repeat	

Best,

Mark

On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:37, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Yes this is completely counter intuitive, and completely stupidly  
> broken from a user perspective:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3036
>
> On 19 Feb 2008, at 03:15, chris bohnert wrote:
>
>> from the docs on repeat foreach:
>>
>>  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement  
>> inside the
>> loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the  
>> content of the
>> container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results.
>>
>>
>> --
>> cb
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2008 7:40 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>
>>> go stack url
>>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>>>
>>> turns out it is skipping every other line in the input data.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>>> Chipp Walters wrote:
>>>>> Katirswami,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't get any answers, I'd suggest creating a 'stack  
>>>>> version'
>>>>> of the
>>>>> problem, then post it and others can take a look. Most of us don't
>>>>> have a
>>>>> Rev server available to test scripts on.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Chipp
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> right... good idea  --- also we get to see if we can reproduce in a
>>>> different context
>>>>
>>>> bad news is : yes... appears to be broken
>>>>
>>>> we are running 2.6.1 for Linux on the web server and
>>>>
>>>> this is also broken in 2.9
>>>>
>>>> go stack url
>>>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>> # Test Split
>>>>
>>>> put  fld "dataIn" into testData
>>>>
>>>> ------------
>>>>> 1|2|3|4
>>>>> 5|6|7|8
>>>>> 9|10|11|23
>>>>> ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>> split thisline by "|"
>>>> put thisline[1] & cr after tOutput
>>>> put thisline[2]  & cr after tOutput
>>>> put thisline[3]  & cr after tOutput
>>>> end repeat
>>>> put tOutput into fld "OutPut"
>>>>
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>> #output:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1
>>>> 2
>>>> 3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 9
>>>> 10
>>>> 11
>>>>
>>>> it's skipping line 2 of the input data
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2008 12:43 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno... I will submit this to the Omniscient Revolution  
>>>>>> Users List
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some wizard will know...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Namaste, Swami
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is either a bug report, or, the split comand has  
>>>>>> changed?  Do you
>>>>>> still have a copy of the old "mc" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Running the identical program on my old "mc" interpreter at work,
>>>>>> versus
>>>>>> running it on the "revolution" interpreter on vel, I get the  
>>>>>> correct
>>>>>> results at work, and incorrect results on vel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aum Aum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *_Vel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _*------------
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> #!/usr/local/bin/revolution
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on startup
>>>>>>    read from stdin until empty
>>>>>>    put it into testdata
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>>>>         split thisline by "|"
>>>>>>         put thisline[1]
>>>>>>         put thisline[2]
>>>>>>         put thisline[3]
>>>>>>    end repeat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> end startup
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> 1|2|3|4
>>>>>> 5|6|7|8
>>>>>> 9|10|11|23
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> results
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> 3
>>>>>> 9
>>>>>> 10
>>>>>> 11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *_Work
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> ..........
>>>>>> #!/usr/local/bin/mc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on startup
>>>>>>    read from stdin until empty
>>>>>>    put it into testdata
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    repeat for each line thisline in testdata
>>>>>>
>>>>>> split thisline by "|"
>>>>>>         put
>>>>>> thisline[1]
>>>>>>         put
>>>>>> thisline[2]
>>>>>>         put
>>>>>> thisline[3]
>>>>>>    end repeat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> end startup
>>>>>> ..........
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> ..........
>>>>>> 1|2|3|4
>>>>>> 5|6|7|8
>>>>>> 9|10|11|23
>>>>>> ..........
>>>>>> results
>>>>>> ..........
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> 3
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> 6
>>>>>> 7
>>>>>> 9
>>>>>> 10
>>>>>> 11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Feb 19 08:35:04 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:35:04 +0000
Subject: [ANN] libS3
Message-ID: <BF615991-ED00-4581-9739-E6D8BC4DB3B6@maseurope.net>

I've made a library for working with the amazon s3 storage service.  
This is working well on my OS X machine, but is not much more than a  
beta, so any and all comments and suggestions will be welcome, either  
on or off list.

And to demonstrate the Revolution 'eating your own haggis' principle,  
you can get it here:

http://maspub.s3.amazonaws.com/libS3 1.0.0.zip

Best,

Mark


From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Tue Feb 19 08:35:40 2008
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:35:40 +0200
Subject: Property Profile Problems
Message-ID: <82D49815-E806-49DA-883D-9237CEBD54FE@mac.com>

Does anyone out there make wxtensive use of Property Profiles, because  
I need a little help.

First problem; how do I prevent property profiles from creating  
themselves? For example - I have about 200 objects, mostly buttons,  
with 2 profiles - "Master and Other". The two profiles are either icon  
(one for each profile) or visible (true or false). If I have the  
stackFile in "Other" and add a new object/ layer, a layer property is  
added to all two profile objects in front of it. The answer of course  
to only add objects when in the Master Profile, but sometimes I  
forget. Not that this doesn't make sense - it certainly does, but I  
would still like to know if there is any way to avoid this if I happen  
to forget which profile I am in and make some changes. It may not seem  
too important, but in this case it is, because of all the scripts in  
this project the only one that isn't virtually instaneous is switching  
profiles, which takes about 1/3 of a second. But at one point it  
started taking almost a second, at which point I discovered the  
hundreds of extra layer properties. One all were deleted and  
corrected, the switch was back to 1/3 of a second. Right now I am busy  
correcting this once again, and I was wondering if it is at all  
possible to avoid. I kind of doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to ask,  
right?

The second is more difficult. I have some homemade ask and answer  
dialogs that involve a group moving into and back out of place,  
imitating a sheet. This by the way was a great suggestion to replace  
visual effects (sorry, I forgot who suggested this to me) but it is  
causing one problem. If for example I slide an answer dialog into  
place while in "Master" and then switch the profile to "Other" before  
answering (which slides the dialog group back out) a rect property is  
created fo all the objects in the group, and when I switch back to  
"Master" all the rects of the objects are wrong, because the group  
moves while in the "Other" profile. Is the only way around this to  
prevent the profile switch while an ask or answer dialog is visible  
and in place? I hope someone can suggest a way around this.

Cheers,

Lars


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Feb 19 08:37:00 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:37:00 -1000
Subject: How fast is this!
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BADB7C.4050207@hindu.org>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Spent some time chatting with Andre Garzia this evening and he showed me this:
>
> http://himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon/
>
> Andre and Sivakatirswami wrote it.
>
> When you click on a letter, a 3000+ card stack is launched as a cgi,
> it is sorted and returns the lexicon list for that letter and then
> closes. It does all this in less than a second. The Lexicon stack is
> over 1MB in size and contains the lexicon editor. The stack has zero
> cgi or business logic pertaining to the cgi in it. The cgi does the
> work, opening the stack and sorting the cards and compiling the data
> and returning it to the webpage. Wow. Pretty darn fast...I'd say.
>
> According to Andre, there tons of Rev cgi's at himalayanacademy.com,
> sometimes multiple cgi's per page. They all run in a standard cgi way
> on a standard Apache server. They've used them for years. Seems like a
> pretty good use case.
>
> -Chipp
>
>   
I think it was way back in 1996 or some long by gone era when I put my 
first CGI on our web site, just a year or two after the internet 
started. We had the previous year moved Hinduism Today from the 
CompuServe bulletins to this new thing called "the internet" The first 
CGI was Matthew's Famously Vulnerable form.pl.  Of course I did not know 
Perl but had been hacking away Hypercard and then beloved Supercard when 
Richard Gaskin turned me on to Metacard. Well that darn form.pl thingy 
kept getting hacked and being used as spam blaster, even they kept even 
breaking the recommended patches and I also wanted to customize a few 
things, but didn't know Perl.

The day the stats showed 250,000 hits  on the form I had to shut it down 
and I was pretty despondent about every moving the web site forward 
because I really didn't think I wanted to learn another language... and 
we certainly could not afford to hire anyone at that time... I can't 
remember his name... fellow from NY was programming web backend all in 
xTalk... shared a script with me... and that, plus the transparency of 
Scott Raney's little "Echo.cgi"  gave me courage.

It was a Eureka moment when I realized that my years of hacking xtalk 
were suddenly convertible for use on the back end of the web site.. and 
it was so easy!  My experience was mostly wrapped around text string 
manipulations for in house publication production tools.. and the day I 
wrote a CGI to build daily master course lesson from raw text files and 
put that on a cron to run at midnite I was smiling like a canary for a week

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/study/mc/todays_lesson.shtml

In 1998 we began our daily blog before the word "blog' was invented:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/taka/

I was choking on the idea of building html/web content daily and so I 
automated all the daily creation in Supercard... my goal was: get daily 
photos and input and build the daily web page in 30 Minutes... well, 
supertalk was great but, not quite robust enough...i needed FTP tools 
and other internet stuff not available in SC...  I was already dabbling 
in MC... a little daunted by the lack of a "real" IDE... so when I heard 
that Revolution was on the horizon I signed up for the first version 
even before Kevin had released it.

I never looked back... in house if any one asked me "can we do this on 
the web server" I said "sure no problem" and today our cgi bins has 
100's of xtalk cgi's running... I  also have PMwiki running (love it!) 
so I got some exposure to PhP... very painful relative to my xTalk 
experience. I think I made a nuisance of myself on the PMwiki forum by 
saying "in xTalk it might look like this:" and offer an algorithm in 
transcript in 10 lines of code that would take 100 lines in PhP to do 
the same thing...so, while PhP is robust and obviously mature and 
forward moving web tool, it is still, well, painful and molasses...

We're moving Hinduism Today into XOOPS so PhP will start to eclipse 
xTalk on the server...we really need to get into a proper CMS 
environment and our magazine is a perfect "fit"... so it remains to be 
seen how far Revolution can stay relevant in this world... It will 
always be an important tool.. but just how far... that's another 
discussion... ala Dan Schafer's earlier observations, all of which are 
somewhat prophetically coming true... but... AJAX with Rev on the back 
end is very powerful......Next on my agenda: take raw content (photos 
and text-caption files) and build Highslide JS web objects for inclusion 
in web pages via SSI's --  love doing <!include exec="someCoolRev.cgi" 
-->  and then let revolution do the work of building into that space on 
the page-- that is after all, what PHP is doing, but at 1/10th the speed 
of Revolution on the same box/CPU...

So, when you face innovative ambitions like this, there is only one tool 
of choice and we have it

Don't miss Andre's presentation at the conference!

Best wishes from Kauai (where it is finally drying out after 90 days of 
rain with only 8 days of sunshine in that period...)

Sivakatirswami








From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb 19 08:56:41 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:56:41 +0100
Subject: Property Profile Problems
In-Reply-To: <82D49815-E806-49DA-883D-9237CEBD54FE@mac.com>
References: <82D49815-E806-49DA-883D-9237CEBD54FE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2A8D403A-8EFB-499C-A73B-582D2E19A0A8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Lars,

Le 19 f?vr. 08 ? 14:35, Lars Brehmer a ?crit :

> Does anyone out there make wxtensive use of Property Profiles,  
> because I need a little help.
>
> First problem; how do I prevent property profiles from creating  
> themselves? For example - I have about 200 objects, mostly buttons,  
> with 2 profiles - "Master and Other". The two profiles are either  
> icon (one for each profile) or visible (true or false). If I have  
> the stackFile in "Other" and add a new object/ layer, a layer  
> property is added to all two profile objects in front of it. The  
> answer of course to only add objects when in the Master Profile,  
> but sometimes I forget. Not that this doesn't make sense - it  
> certainly does, but I would still like to know if there is any way  
> to avoid this if I happen to forget which profile I am in and make  
> some changes. It may not seem too important, but in this case it  
> is, because of all the scripts in this project the only one that  
> isn't virtually instaneous is switching profiles, which takes about  
> 1/3 of a second. But at one point it started taking almost a  
> second, at which point I discovered the hundreds of extra layer  
> properties. One all were deleted and corrected, the switch was back  
> to 1/3 of a second. Right now I am busy correcting this once again,  
> and I was wondering if it is at all possible to avoid. I kind of  
> doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right?
>
> The second is more difficult. I have some homemade ask and answer  
> dialogs that involve a group moving into and back out of place,  
> imitating a sheet. This by the way was a great suggestion to  
> replace visual effects (sorry, I forgot who suggested this to me)  
> but it is causing one problem. If for example I slide an answer  
> dialog into place while in "Master" and then switch the profile to  
> "Other" before answering (which slides the dialog group back out) a  
> rect property is created fo all the objects in the group, and when  
> I switch back to "Master" all the rects of the objects are wrong,  
> because the group moves while in the "Other" profile. Is the only  
> way around this to prevent the profile switch while an ask or  
> answer dialog is visible and in place? I hope someone can suggest a  
> way around this.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lars

I have played a lot with profiles but I ended by giving up.
I am inclined to consider this feature, anyway reliable in itself, as  
too difficult to use for all reasons you suggest.
I have put it in the same drawer as the Geometry Manager and I prefer  
to code all this by myself.

Anyway, you could make you job easier by using my "Objects Picker'  
plugin: an option allows to set all card objects to a profile or  
another in one click.
In addition, you probably should check that the 'Create profiles  
automatically' in 'Property Profiles' pane of Prefs is not checked.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb 19 09:25:50 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:25:50 -0500
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <300F5024-B951-45F2-80E7-7932935B9D71@academica.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>	<47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>
	<47BA29CE.4000101@hyperactivesw.com>
	<300F5024-B951-45F2-80E7-7932935B9D71@academica.com>
Message-ID: <5AB11461-178D-4109-B5A0-4D83D21E32A6@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote:

> I have not changed color depth, but I think problem came about after  
> installing Leopard. All the settings should be the originals, have  
> not messed with 'em.  Should I call the lynch mob? ;)
>
> I compiled a standalone and the same problem.. could this be a  
> Leopard phenomenon?

This is an issue with 2.8 and Leopard. Stacks appear to have a bluish  
tint to them and some images don't look right. The issue is fixed in  
2.9.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 19 09:30:22 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:30:22 +0100
Subject: ANN: DIFfersifier 3.3 - Convert HyperCard stacks
Message-ID: <2EA190B3-183E-4EE5-AE89-FF63D884F879@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear (former) HyperCard users,

Doing a lot of XML stuff lately, I decided to improve the XML  
features of DIFfersifier. As a result, Economy-x-Talk has released a  
new version of DIFfersifier, a conversion utility for HyperCard  
stacks. With DIFfersifier, you can export your HyperCard stacks to  
several formats, compatible with most databases, and now you can also  
convert your stack to an XML file, which now includes document type  
definitions.

You can find DIFfersifier 3.3 at <http://differsifier.economy-x- 
talk.com>.

Best regards,

Mark


Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html





From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Tue Feb 19 09:37:41 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:41 +0100
Subject: verboseLog.txt
Message-ID: <E927FF9A-3A0C-46E5-8DC3-660ECD767F75@free.fr>

Hi all,

just find that i have this file verboselog.txt

It contains all the mesages handled or not; so a copy of the
messages watcher ?

Can someone tell me how to stop this log ?
or who is the culprit :-)

thanks,
Thierry



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 19 09:48:41 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:48:41 +0100
Subject: verboseLog.txt
In-Reply-To: <E927FF9A-3A0C-46E5-8DC3-660ECD767F75@free.fr>
References: <E927FF9A-3A0C-46E5-8DC3-660ECD767F75@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6935347D-6880-4592-A0CF-C08CF4E5DA1C@economy-x-talk.com>

Thierry,

You can turn this off with a global or property... don't remember by  
heart, but you can also download Verbose Logging Plugin from  
Revonline, user name Mark. This allows you to turn it on and off.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 19-feb-2008, om 15:37 heeft Thierry het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> just find that i have this file verboselog.txt
>
> It contains all the mesages handled or not; so a copy of the
> messages watcher ?
>
> Can someone tell me how to stop this log ?
> or who is the culprit :-)
>
> thanks,
> Thierry
>
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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Feb 19 10:10:15 2008
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:10:15 -0800
Subject: thought regarding import and export of data (was Many Cards vs.
	Lists vs. XML)
Message-ID: <200802191510.m1JFAFW4007007@sddev.castandcrew.com>

Regarding Swami's comment of exporting to tab delimited (or delimited
in general) -  see code snippet below - 

Reason:  in working with many customers and external agencies or
authorities over the years (a lot of years), this has proven to
be the lowest common denominator and something almost everyone can
work with.  This includes banks, major film studios, executives at
all levels, accountants, pension funds, credit unions, 401k plan / fsa
plan administrators, software producers, competitors, film production
offices, state tax authorities such as CA EDD, various state SUI plans,
and the IRS.  Most of them use Excel, which can import such data with
a few clicks.  In a recent project, the IRS was using MS Access, which
imports in the same way, and, like Excel, expects the first row of data
to contain the field definitions.

The one thing I might add is that if the original data is coming from
a non Windows system application other than Rev (such as, in our case,
SQL on Linux), line endings may have to be converted, e.g.,

     repeat for each line thisLine in inputData
       replace CRLF with empty in thisLine
       write thisLine & cr to file outputFile
     end repeat

Now, obviously, XML is the future and these Windows products support it,
but in my experience with customers, they may lag behind the times in
these matters.  Working with tech guys is of course, different!  :-)

By the way, the data from our SQL database defaults to the pipe symbol
as the delimiter (easily handled by Excel), and the split command
is useful for processing this kind of data.  So it would be nice to
see it fixed.

Cheers,
Sadhu



..............
Swami wrote:
# export, tab delimited:

# let's get a header first
# assume card 1 has all fields that any record might have

repeat with y = 1 to the number of flds of card 1
  put the short name of fld y & tab after tOutput
end repeat

put cr after tOutput

# now the data:

put the card names of this stack into tRecords

repeat for each line x in tRecords
  repeat with y = 1 to the number of flds of card x
    put fld y & tab after the output
  end repeat
  put cr after tOutput
end repeat

put tOutput into url "file:/myExport.txt"



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Feb 19 10:22:01 2008
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:22:01 -0800
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly? 
Message-ID: <200802191522.m1JFM19B013737@sddev.castandcrew.com>

chris bohnert wrote:
     > Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement inside
     > the loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the content
     > of the container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results.

............

It's true, that fixes the problem.  Thank you!  

Revised working version on vel,


#!/usr/local/bin/revolution

on startup

  read from stdin until empty
  put it into testData

  repeat for each line thisLine in testData
    put thisLine into thatLine
    split thatLine by "|"
    put thatLine[1]
    put thatline[2]
  end repeat

end startup


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue Feb 19 10:59:04 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:59:04 -0500
Subject: How fast is this!
In-Reply-To: <47BADB7C.4050207@hindu.org>
References: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BADB7C.4050207@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <40C529FD-8EE7-4409-872C-A1C1A1AFA304@comcast.net>

Can you explain this a little further. I am not proficient in CGI or  
AJAX but am now 'forced' into learning JS, CSS, XML in order to put a  
web based application together. I did not want to learn another  
language either and have put this off as long as I can. But now I  
must. So a newbie I am and feel lost in a bigger world than me.

Is there a real newbie way to learn how to integrate AJAX with REV? I  
have been reading daily and have put my other projects on hold.


Thanks

Tom

On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> . but... AJAX with Rev on the back end is very powerful......Next on  
> my agenda: take raw content (photos and text-caption files) and  
> build Highslide JS web objects for inclusion in web pages via SSI's  
> --  love doing <!include exec="someCoolRev.cgi" -->  and then let  
> revolution do the work of building into that space on the page--  
> that is after all, what PHP is doing, but at 1/10th the speed of  
> Revolution on the same box/CPU...



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Tue Feb 19 12:08:57 2008
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:08:57 -0500
Subject: removing ask/answer/msg substacks from old mc stacks
In-Reply-To: <20080218131048.EB729489C12@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080218131048.EB729489C12@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D28FB314-4D3F-44CA-AE91-9EF276931CF7@siphonophore.com>

Stephen,

thanks, but right now i cant go back to mc as i just upgraded to a mac  
pro and leopard so forced lepoard upgrade on the g4 laptop, so no os9  
right now. pc also died and windoz is not set up on the new mac yet.  
in the past i had stripped out the offending window resources for the  
message, ask and answer with some combo of rev versions, but ive tried  
several attempts at different combos and the message box keeps coming  
up as an error that its still there (even though the application  
browser does not show it there...

frustrating since this messes up the message box to try and poke at  
things. Ill have to sit down when i have time and do some more  
systematic tries at this.

thanks

jeff



On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:10 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>  in Rev it's the preference "revolution UI Elements appear in lists  
> of stacks"
> is there a similar pref in Metacard?   (sorry if this is obvious...)
>
>> I'm sorry i have done this in the past, but have forgotten how to  
>> do it.
>>
>> I have some old mc stacks from like 8 years ago that have the ask
>> and answer dialog substacks in them. i removed them in rev 2.6.1,
>> but now i keep getting a message box error (message box is already
>> open in rev) when i open the stack in rev 2.8.1. so it seems that
>> there is still a message box substack hiding in my stack, but it
>> doesnt show up in application browser with my stack. i remember a
>> similar problem in the past with old mc cards like this, but ive
>> forgotten what i did last time to loose all the old substack assets
>> to make it clean with rev.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> jeff reynolds



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Feb 19 12:24:36 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:24:36 -0800
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3E051FD.8EC1E%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C3DF6A7F.4CE7%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<C3E051FD.8EC1E%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <032a01c8731c$4cf39710$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

 > If you think about hosting, Valentina is unlikely choice. 
> Only if you have own server.
> 
> Valentina (we believe) is the best, first of all, for 
> *application* developers which will later distribute many 
> copies of app.

You can request your ISP to support Valentina on a virtual host too.

MacServe.net can also set this up for you. They have supported Valentina for
a VERY long time.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Tue Feb 19 12:54:05 2008
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:54:05 +0100
Subject: removing ask/answer/msg substacks from old mc stacks
Message-ID: <47BB17BD.9090909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Tue Feb 19, 2008, Jeff Reynolds jeff at siphonophore.com wrote:

 

> Stephen,
>
> thanks, but right now i cant go back to mc as i just upgraded to a mac  
> pro and leopard so forced lepoard upgrade on the g4 laptop, so no os9  
> right now. pc also died and windoz is not set up on the new mac yet.  
> in the past i had stripped out the offending window resources for the  
> message, ask and answer with some combo of rev versions, but ive tried  
> several attempts at different combos and the message box keeps coming  
> up as an error that its still there (even though the application  
> browser does not show it there...


I do not know *how* old your MC-stacks are, but you do not need OS 9 to 
run the Metacard IDE with the current Revolution engines and there are 
no problems with MC on Leopard.

I do not know about the message box, but I prefer to keep the Metacard 
answer- and ask-dialogs in my stacks - even when I use these stacks in 
the Revolution IDE - because the MC answer- and ask-dialogs aren't that 
oversized as the Rev dialogs and I have the option to place the MC 
dialogs anywhere on a stack or the screen (and not just at the center of 
the stack).

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Feb 19 13:19:11 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:19:11 -0300
Subject: How fast is this!
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802191019j253354fes5774678d7bd2297c@mail.gmail.com>

Chipp,

thanks for the kind words.

During this project we discovered that there's a lot of power in the
'filter' command. Filtering the cardnames of that database is
lightning fast!

:D
Andre


From coiin at rcn.com  Tue Feb 19 13:43:23 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:43:23 -0500
Subject: upgrade pricing
Message-ID: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>

I recently bought Revolution, v2.8.1, and I'm getting the emails about  
a 2.9 upgrade. The upgrade price seems to be ?149, which seems a lot  
for a 0.1 version increase, especially so soon after buying the  
product. Am I misunderstanding the pricing?


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 13:49:31 2008
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:49:31 +0000
Subject: upgrade pricing
In-Reply-To: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
References: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <325413300802191049r446b3657x38b59d87e96db576@mail.gmail.com>

Do we have a date for the 2.9 release? I am anxiously waiting!

Neal

On Feb 19, 2008 6:43 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:
> I recently bought Revolution, v2.8.1, and I'm getting the emails about
> a 2.9 upgrade. The upgrade price seems to be ?149, which seems a lot
> for a 0.1 version increase, especially so soon after buying the
> product. Am I misunderstanding the pricing?
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Feb 19 14:00:19 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:00:19 +0100
Subject: How fast is this!
In-Reply-To: <40C529FD-8EE7-4409-872C-A1C1A1AFA304@comcast.net>
References: <7aa52a210802182220i1fad6bc0u228b8323c9b44547@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BADB7C.4050207@hindu.org>
	<40C529FD-8EE7-4409-872C-A1C1A1AFA304@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B86CA097-96FE-47AF-85A6-A81BADB277E2@mac.com>

I did some testing late last year, and the basic's are very simple:

The scary part is the javascript, which is only as huge because it  
needs to care for two versions of internet explorer in addition to all  
the rest:


<html>
<body>

<script type="text/javascript">
function ajaxFunction()
   {
   var xmlHttp;
   try
     {
     // Firefox, Opera 8.0+, Safari
     xmlHttp=new XMLHttpRequest();
     }
   catch (e)
     {
     // Internet Explorer
     try
       {
       xmlHttp=new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP");
       }
     catch (e)
       {
       try
         {
         xmlHttp=new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
         }
       catch (e)
         {
         alert("Your browser does not support AJAX!");
         return false;
         }
       }
     }
     xmlHttp.onreadystatechange=function()
       {
       if(xmlHttp.readyState==4)
         {
         document.myForm.time.value=xmlHttp.responseText;
         }
       }
     xmlHttp.open("GET","/cgi-bin/time.cgi",true);
     xmlHttp.send(null);
   }
</script>

<form name="myForm">
Name: <input type="text"
onkeyup="ajaxFunction();" name="username" />
Time: <input type="text" name="time" />
</form>

</body>
</html>


This will enter the data gotten from "time.cgi" into the second input  
field, whenever you type in to the first field. The cgi now only needs  
to be this:

#!rev

on startup
   put the short system date into temp
   put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
   put "Content-Length:" && the length of temp & cr & cr
   put temp
end startup

That's it!

I learned most of my web stuff from w3schools.com, it's a very good,  
and newbie friendly ressource.

have fun
Bj?rnke

PS: AJAX means Asynchronous JavaScript and XML, but i used totally  
extreme plain text, so this is more like AJAP ;-)

PPS: if time.cgi where time.php (or, rev isn't always less lines):

<?php
echo Date("G:i:s");
?>

On 19 Feb 2008, at 16:59, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Can you explain this a little further. I am not proficient in CGI or  
> AJAX but am now 'forced' into learning JS, CSS, XML in order to put  
> a web based application together. I did not want to learn another  
> language either and have put this off as long as I can. But now I  
> must. So a newbie I am and feel lost in a bigger world than me.
>
> Is there a real newbie way to learn how to integrate AJAX with REV?  
> I have been reading daily and have put my other projects on hold.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> . but... AJAX with Rev on the back end is very powerful......Next  
>> on my agenda: take raw content (photos and text-caption files) and  
>> build Highslide JS web objects for inclusion in web pages via SSI's  
>> --  love doing <!include exec="someCoolRev.cgi" -->  and then let  
>> revolution do the work of building into that space on the page--  
>> that is after all, what PHP is doing, but at 1/10th the speed of  
>> Revolution on the same box/CPU...
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Feb 19 14:18:10 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:18:10 +0100
Subject: upgrade pricing
In-Reply-To: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
References: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <9BFCB84C-F516-4ECB-8A8C-D649DBACA89A@mac.com>

Revolution has a quite complicated licensing system. Normally you buy  
a license, and get a year of free updates, but i think that's not true  
for media. This gets further murkied, because 2.9 was promised for  
free to all 2.7 holders (but not 2.8 holders). When someone still is  
in the one year free update period, he or she can buy another year of  
updates for less then the amount when the update has run out. And then  
of course ouy can loose to be legible for further updates if you wait  
too long, and then you need a full buy again. The mail you got refers  
to these updates to existing licenses.

Therefore, if you got Studio or Enterprise, then most likely you'll be  
set for 2.9.

Also 2.9 is a feature upgrade, with new commands and also many bug  
fixes. So the 0.0.1 updates are probably what you really meant with  
"just an 0.1" update.

Have fun
Bj?rnke

On 19 Feb 2008, at 19:43, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I recently bought Revolution, v2.8.1, and I'm getting the emails  
> about a 2.9 upgrade. The upgrade price seems to be ?149, which seems  
> a lot for a 0.1 version increase, especially so soon after buying  
> the product. Am I misunderstanding the pricing?
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From sakari.ruoho at academica.com  Tue Feb 19 14:52:29 2008
From: sakari.ruoho at academica.com (Sakari Ruoho)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:52:29 +0200
Subject: Color anomaly
In-Reply-To: <5AB11461-178D-4109-B5A0-4D83D21E32A6@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <203BFD8D-5A83-41E8-9080-FA8F80736E94@academica.com>	<47B9BA0F.7090805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D880F722-A17F-4136-BAAF-0BFC5BE5CD2F@academica.com>
	<47BA29CE.4000101@hyperactivesw.com>
	<300F5024-B951-45F2-80E7-7932935B9D71@academica.com>
	<5AB11461-178D-4109-B5A0-4D83D21E32A6@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <F9C53598-B7C7-458D-BEDB-50B01EA8783E@academica.com>

Ah cheers, that would explain it :D

Sakari Ruoho


On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote:
>
>> I have not changed color depth, but I think problem came about  
>> after installing Leopard. All the settings should be the originals,  
>> have not messed with 'em.  Should I call the lynch mob? ;)
>>
>> I compiled a standalone and the same problem.. could this be a  
>> Leopard phenomenon?
>
> This is an issue with 2.8 and Leopard. Stacks appear to have a  
> bluish tint to them and some images don't look right. The issue is  
> fixed in 2.9.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue Feb 19 14:54:57 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:54:57 -0500
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3E051FD.8EC1E%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <C3E09E41.4D29%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/19/08 2:29 AM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:

> On 19/2/08 12:01 AM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hershel,

> 
> I wonder where you have found info that mySQL is worse of others (SqlLite or
> Postgre) on grow of db size ???>
> I do not think exists significant difference between mySQL and Postgre in
> regard of dependence on db size...
I didn't say its worse, on sqlite I read its site this info that its faster,
ok I do except that it might be on small or very small db's, on postgres I
did a lot of research a while ago. mySQL is a bit faster on smaller db's as
it gets lager it evens out then (in the Giga's) postgres is faster because
mySQL slows down a bit.
> 
>> or maybe I'll look into valentina.
> 
> If you think about hosting, Valentina is unlikely choice. Only if you have
> own server.
So it looks like I'll have to stick to mySQL or PostgreSQL by the way I
didn't find posgres available for a decent price mostly mySQL is used.
So far I don't even have this problem yet because I don't know even on how
to get it to work.
The way it looks I'll have to redo the whole thing to php.
Hershel



From paulgabel at comcast.net  Tue Feb 19 16:33:53 2008
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:33:53 -0800
Subject: FIND AND REPLACE: Is this a bug?
Message-ID: <7B80D49C-DC78-478A-A3FD-3E3BA442E980@comcast.net>

Hello everyone:

Will someone confirm this Find and Replace window problem before I  
file a bug report?

1) Command-F (in stack view)

2) Find: Show/Hide Timing Information
    In: This Stack

3) Check (?): Script
    Check (?): Button Text
    Check (?): All Other

4) Click on the Find button

What happens to me is that the blue progress bar moves along for a few  
seconds, then Revolution disappears (crashes). I tested this several  
times, always with the same result. Maybe this button-checking  
combination shouldn't be used.

Mac Intel
Leopard 10.5.2
Rev 2.9 beta dp-4

Paul Gabel




From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 16:38:26 2008
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:38:26 -0500
Subject: FIND AND REPLACE: Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <20080219213448.WVHL19547.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@10.0.1.199>
References: <20080219213448.WVHL19547.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@10.0.1.199>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260802191338s6c887461r97009420a124dc3f@mail.gmail.com>

Works without problems under Rev. 2.8.1

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 16:39:29 2008
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:39:29 -0500
Subject: FIND AND REPLACE: Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260802191338s6c887461r97009420a124dc3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080219213448.WVHL19547.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@10.0.1.199>
	<3f07cc260802191338s6c887461r97009420a124dc3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260802191339v156aa3e2m4435f6eb21ab72fd@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, forgot to mention the platform:

Intel Mac
10.5.1

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue Feb 19 17:53:51 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:53:51 -0500
Subject: 2.9 b4 clear pic
In-Reply-To: <C3DF955B.4CF9%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/18/08 8:04 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:

Ok I got it a bit clearer when I have rev 2.9 build 4 launched with the
toolbar text selected not the toolbar icons,  then I launch another
application then I select rev from the menu bar then the text doesn't show.

> Hi, I don?t know exactly how to describe it, but the  2.9 db4 the tool bar
> gives some problems on the 10.3.9 osx
> 
> Hershel
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Feb 19 18:10:02 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:10:02 -0800
Subject: upgrade pricing
In-Reply-To: <325413300802191049r446b3657x38b59d87e96db576@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
	<325413300802191049r446b3657x38b59d87e96db576@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080dc3e10f4b291d@[192.168.1.70]>

I'd say the 2.9 release is very close....the DP-4 beta rocks with 
just a few things to fix.

This release has a lot more value of a .1 release (the numbering 
system was redone to accomodate the future  features in the next big 
release 3.0).

for all practical purposes there are so many fixes and new features 
addes since 2.8.1 that one can't really pigeonhole the progress made 
by calling it a "point-release".  2.9 will be the most solid, feature 
packed release yet.

Besides, sooner or later you'll want 3.0 which is expected perhaps by 
the middle of this year.  (Remember 'Revolution Live' was rescheduled 
to accomodate the announcement, if not release of version 3.0.)

The stuff that's coming is awesome! Due to an NDA, I can't mention 
what -- and if one is really curious then one will have to go to Las 
Vegas this summer.  -- or join the beta testers.


>Do we have a date for the 2.9 release? I am anxiously waiting!
>
>Neal
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Feb 19 18:12:53 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:12:53 -0700
Subject: 2.9 b4 clear pic
In-Reply-To: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <161812AB-B91B-43EB-890F-6BDBFF2C7081@byu.edu>


On Feb 19, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> On 2/18/08 8:04 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
>
> Ok I got it a bit clearer when I have rev 2.9 build 4 launched with  
> the
> toolbar text selected not the toolbar icons,  then I launch another
> application then I select rev from the menu bar then the text  
> doesn't show.

Hershel,

I can confirm this behavior on 2.9-dp4 on Mac OS X 10.4.11 Intel.  
With Text Only turned on for the toolbar, if I switch to another  
application and then back to Rev, the toolbar is empty. If I click on  
it the text under the mouse click reappears.

I also noticed that once, with both text and icons showing, when I  
switched to Rev 2.9-dp-4, the bottom half of the toolbar was black. I  
haven't been able to reproduce this, however.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 19 18:17:41 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:17:41 +0100
Subject: 2.9 b4 clear pic
In-Reply-To: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <9DF1C1C9-2010-410F-9E50-8A5DA450FD72@economy-x-talk.com>

Hershel:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5899

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 19-feb-2008, om 23:53 heeft Hershel Fisch het volgende geschreven:

> On 2/18/08 8:04 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
>
> Ok I got it a bit clearer when I have rev 2.9 build 4 launched with  
> the
> toolbar text selected not the toolbar icons,  then I launch another
> application then I select rev from the menu bar then the text  
> doesn't show.
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 19 18:28:48 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:28:48 -0600
Subject: 2.9 b4 clear pic
In-Reply-To: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3E0C82F.4D31%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <47BB6630.7030300@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> On 2/18/08 8:04 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
> 
> Ok I got it a bit clearer when I have rev 2.9 build 4 launched with the
> toolbar text selected not the toolbar icons,  then I launch another
> application then I select rev from the menu bar then the text doesn't show.
> 
>> Hi, I don?t know exactly how to describe it, but the  2.9 db4 the tool bar
>> gives some problems on the 10.3.9 osx

On Tiger, the initial launch of db 4 draws a toolbar that is half black, 
which obscures the bottom half of the icons and their text labels. 
Forcing a redraw fixes it. I did that by turning off the toolbar text in 
the View menu, then turning it back on. After that the toolbar draws 
correctly.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Feb 19 18:38:17 2008
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:38:17 +0000
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 19 Feb 2008, at 02:15, Chipp Walters wrote:
> So,
> exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose  
> it's a Linux
> one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder.

I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the  
cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to  
execute anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions  
set. My worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing  
parameters when it tries to run the engine. (There was a security  
problem in the past with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.)  
While I'm fairly confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk?

I stick it somewhere like /usr/bin/revbin, and so the top of my  
scripts look like this:

#!/usr/bin/revbin/rev

Cheers
Dave


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 18:57:43 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:57:43 +1000
Subject: FIND AND REPLACE: Is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <7B80D49C-DC78-478A-A3FD-3E3BA442E980@comcast.net>
References: <7B80D49C-DC78-478A-A3FD-3E3BA442E980@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802191557n1cf368e1l2b43704f6dff1229@mail.gmail.com>

 > Will someone confirm this Find and Replace window problem before I
> file a bug report?
>
> 1) Command-F (in stack view)
>
> 2) Find: Show/Hide Timing Information
>     In: This Stack
>
> 3) Check (?): Script
>     Check (?): Button Text
>     Check (?): All Other
>
> 4) Click on the Find button
>
> What happens to me is that the blue progress bar moves along for a few
> seconds, then Revolution disappears (crashes). I tested this several
> times, always with the same result. Maybe this button-checking
> combination shouldn't be used.
>
> Mac Intel
> Leopard 10.5.2
> Rev 2.9 beta dp-4
>

Works fine here with exactly the same setup as you. However it never
found anything. What if you try it without the / in the string?

Sarah

From meitnik at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb 19 19:34:28 2008
From: meitnik at bellsouth.net (Andrew Meit)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:34:28 -0500
Subject: window manager code
Message-ID: <9309A458-ED6C-4F99-9DBB-E7F1B097BC9D@bellsouth.net>

Hi,

Since there are many kinds of screen resolutions for monitors, I am  
looking for code that tiles windows based on proportions of the  
screen and fixed window size. Sorta a geometry manager for  
windows...any one having code to share?

Shalom, Andrew
{Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...}



From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue Feb 19 19:39:24 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:39:24 -0500
Subject: 2.9 b4
Message-ID: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us>

Hi, I'm so sorry that I have to do all this but at the end it will help to
get this thing in order.
Hopefully somebody will put this on bugzila which will help the situation.
Sorry I don't know how to work it.

I'm playing around with 2.9 b4 so far I noticed a few things
1) if in a script window doing a find it doesn't select the found word
properly
 a few (so far) scripts working in previous versions get errors now.

1) I have a mouseDoubleUp 'go to stack "xyz"' throws an error.
2) revCloseCursor xyz throws an error
3) a stack with its decorations set to empty(like an opening to an
application) looks like its painted to the screen.
4)the database builder ???
5) the window size for the first time to open still doesn't remember its
size and position.
6) I realized that every stack has a "c" custom property with its stack name
in it, I didn't see it in previous versions.
That?s it for now and I hope no more will be
Hershel



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Feb 19 20:17:46 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:17:46 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802191717q49e04f89laf95bab3684b16e7@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

I am doing something similar. I put everything on /opt/web/bin...
safer and easier to maintain.

Andre

On 2/19/08, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 19 Feb 2008, at 02:15, Chipp Walters wrote:
> > So,
> > exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose
> > it's a Linux
> > one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder.
>
> I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the
> cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to
> execute anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions
> set. My worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing
> parameters when it tries to run the engine. (There was a security
> problem in the past with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.)
> While I'm fairly confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk?
>
> I stick it somewhere like /usr/bin/revbin, and so the top of my
> scripts look like this:
>
> #!/usr/bin/revbin/rev
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 20:44:34 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:44:34 +1000
Subject: [semi-OT] iPhone help needed
Message-ID: <f99b52860802191744g5d86da59wfb885091615aa0c7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

My current work involves lots of process control and monitoring. I am
setting up automatically updating web pages that allow the relevant
people to log in and see what is happening at any time. When/if the
iPhone ever arrives in Australia, it will be the perfect adjunct to
this technique as I can make the software send an SMS alert and then
people can log into the web page for more details.

I have been testing the web page displays on my iPod Touch and found
that I need to use very different font sizes. The small but high res
screen needs much larger fonts if it is to be readable without having
to zoom in. This is fine and I can use PHP to read the HTTP_USER_AGENT
and then set the page to use the appropriate style sheet. However I
don't know what the HTTP_USER_AGENT is set to by an iPhone.

I would be very grateful if anyone who has an iPhone could log into to
<http://www.troz.net/browser.php> and click the button. You don't even
have to enter the other data if you don't want to. I'll be taking the
page down when I get the data I need, so if you get a 404, then
someone else has already done it.

Many thanks in advance,
Sarah

P.S. If anyone else needs the same sort of data, here is what you get
from an iPod touch:
Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML,
like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 19 20:54:44 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:54:44 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the 
> cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to execute 
> anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions set. My 
> worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing parameters when 
> it tries to run the engine. (There was a security problem in the past 
> with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.) While I'm fairly 
> confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk?

I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here 
are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it:

> With MetaCard your primary (and probably exclusive) risk would be in
> executing commands or evaluating expressions that come from untrusted
> sources.  Any use of the "do" and "send" commands or the "value"
> function should be very diligently evaluated to make sure that there
> is no possibility of this occuring.  Of course, you also have to be
> careful about where you write files, but it's a relatively simple
> matter to check a path for validity (e.g., don't allow a leading 
> "/", or the "..", ":", or "~" characters anywhere in a path).

Which he follows with:

> I certainly wouldn't rule out building or using MetaCard server
> software, even for protocols for which well-known (if buggy) open
> source software is widely available.  While I don't see any big
> advantage to writing an FTP server in MetaCard, an HTTP server that
> executes CGI scripts is a different matter entirely and an area where
> a MetaCard server could be safer and feature-competitive with any of
> the alternatives.
> 
<snip>
> 
> I've got a soap box here too, and in *my* opinion, the ubiquity of
> buffer-overrun bugs in open source software rises to the level of
> criminal negligence.  There is just no excuse for this kind of sloppy
> programming, yet not a week goes by that yet another example of this
> kind of thing isn't found in one of the commonly used open-source
> packages.  I wouldn't blindly trust Microsoft software either, but at
> least the majority of the security holes in their products were put
> there deliberately to improve the usability of the products rather
> than as the result of poor security hygiene on the part of the
> developer.
> 
> My advice is to not be afraid of this stuff.  Sure, you have to be
> careful, but you can hardly do any worse a job than those hacks who
> are writing the software that runs the Internet ;-)

I miss that guy.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 19 21:20:43 2008
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:20:43 -0600
Subject: [semi-OT] iPhone help needed
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802191744g5d86da59wfb885091615aa0c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860802191744g5d86da59wfb885091615aa0c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE5D94D-18B0-4CA4-AD8A-3258EA8B458E@earthlink.net>

Did it just now. HTH.
On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My current work involves lots of process control and monitoring. I am
> setting up automatically updating web pages that allow the relevant
> people to log in and see what is happening at any time. When/if the
> iPhone ever arrives in Australia, it will be the perfect adjunct to
> this technique as I can make the software send an SMS alert and then
> people can log into the web page for more details.
>
> I have been testing the web page displays on my iPod Touch and found
> that I need to use very different font sizes. The small but high res
> screen needs much larger fonts if it is to be readable without having
> to zoom in. This is fine and I can use PHP to read the HTTP_USER_AGENT
> and then set the page to use the appropriate style sheet. However I
> don't know what the HTTP_USER_AGENT is set to by an iPhone.
>
> I would be very grateful if anyone who has an iPhone could log into to
> <http://www.troz.net/browser.php> and click the button. You don't even
> have to enter the other data if you don't want to. I'll be taking the
> page down when I get the data I need, so if you get a 404, then
> someone else has already done it.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
> Sarah
>
> P.S. If anyone else needs the same sort of data, here is what you get
> from an iPod touch:
> Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML,
> like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Feb 19 21:41:53 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:41:53 -0800
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>

With all due respect to your attempt to report, I'm wondering how 
much 2.9 beta bugs should be discussed on the USE-REV list rather 
than the more closed IMPROVE REV list, or reports to Quality control. 
I'd hate to see prospective new Rev users get turned off by comments 
here. And non-beta testers might feel left out with the features they 
can't use yet. Comments, headquarters? Heather? Lynn? Jacque?



>
>I'm playing around with 2.9 b4 so far I noticed a few things

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Feb 19 22:09:22 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:09:22 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802191909t54a0c74bt3b0030b97133f4e6@mail.gmail.com>

Where is he now? I never had a chance to talk to him.

:D
andre

On 2/19/08, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> > I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the
> > cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to execute
> > anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions set. My
> > worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing parameters when
> > it tries to run the engine. (There was a security problem in the past
> > with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.) While I'm fairly
> > confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk?
>
> I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here
> are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it:
>
> > With MetaCard your primary (and probably exclusive) risk would be in
> > executing commands or evaluating expressions that come from untrusted
> > sources.  Any use of the "do" and "send" commands or the "value"
> > function should be very diligently evaluated to make sure that there
> > is no possibility of this occuring.  Of course, you also have to be
> > careful about where you write files, but it's a relatively simple
> > matter to check a path for validity (e.g., don't allow a leading
> > "/", or the "..", ":", or "~" characters anywhere in a path).
>
> Which he follows with:
>
> > I certainly wouldn't rule out building or using MetaCard server
> > software, even for protocols for which well-known (if buggy) open
> > source software is widely available.  While I don't see any big
> > advantage to writing an FTP server in MetaCard, an HTTP server that
> > executes CGI scripts is a different matter entirely and an area where
> > a MetaCard server could be safer and feature-competitive with any of
> > the alternatives.
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > I've got a soap box here too, and in *my* opinion, the ubiquity of
> > buffer-overrun bugs in open source software rises to the level of
> > criminal negligence.  There is just no excuse for this kind of sloppy
> > programming, yet not a week goes by that yet another example of this
> > kind of thing isn't found in one of the commonly used open-source
> > packages.  I wouldn't blindly trust Microsoft software either, but at
> > least the majority of the security holes in their products were put
> > there deliberately to improve the usability of the products rather
> > than as the result of poor security hygiene on the part of the
> > developer.
> >
> > My advice is to not be afraid of this stuff.  Sure, you have to be
> > careful, but you can hardly do any worse a job than those hacks who
> > are writing the software that runs the Internet ;-)
>
> I miss that guy.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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>


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http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 19 22:16:36 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:16:36 -0800
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
Message-ID: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option.

Is it?

You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been 
very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.

Here's the quick overview fromm what I can tell at each site:


JaguarPC
17 GB web space
210 GB transfer/month
Unlimited domains
Bunch of free goodies (SQL, Ruby on Rails, forums, blogs, scripts...)

$7.95/month (2-year prepay; options range up to $11.97)

<http://www.jaguarpc.com/>



Dreamhost
500 GB web space (with 2GB added each week)
5,000 GB transfer/month (with 40GB added each week)
Unlimited domains
Bunch of free goodies (SQL, Ruby on Rails, forums, blogs, scripts...)

$5.95/month (10-year prepay; other options range up to $9.95; I prepaid 
for just two years and paid $7.95/mo)

<http://www.dreamhost.com/>



Did I miss some of the fine print somewhere?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb 19 22:18:51 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:18:51 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802191918n7cf8e2e0vaf7107a5622b2576@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richard,

What I intended to say was:

I've decided to try JaguarPC. I've chosen the least expensive plan they
have.
A previous email from Andre was mentioning a number of the different
opitons, and I was just saying which plan I signed up for.

Sorry for the confusion,
Chipp


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue Feb 19 23:27:58 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:27:58 -0500
Subject: [semi-OT] iPhone help needed
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802191744g5d86da59wfb885091615aa0c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860802191744g5d86da59wfb885091615aa0c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F50D2F2-EE8A-45A3-8824-6131B54917C2@comcast.net>

please share when you find out.

Thanks

Tom

On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My current work involves lots of process control and monitoring. I am
> setting up automatically updating web pages that allow the relevant
> people to log in and see what is happening at any time. When/if the
> iPhone ever arrives in Australia, it will be the perfect adjunct to
> this technique as I can make the software send an SMS alert and then
> people can log into the web page for more details.
>
> I have been testing the web page displays on my iPod Touch and found
> that I need to use very different font sizes. The small but high res
> screen needs much larger fonts if it is to be readable without having
> to zoom in. This is fine and I can use PHP to read the HTTP_USER_AGENT
> and then set the page to use the appropriate style sheet. However I
> don't know what the HTTP_USER_AGENT is set to by an iPhone.
>
> I would be very grateful if anyone who has an iPhone could log into to
> <http://www.troz.net/browser.php> and click the button. You don't even
> have to enter the other data if you don't want to. I'll be taking the
> page down when I get the data I need, so if you get a 404, then
> someone else has already done it.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
> Sarah
>
> P.S. If anyone else needs the same sort of data, here is what you get
> from an iPod touch:
> Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML,
> like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Feb 20 00:25:34 2008
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:25:34 -0500
Subject: [semi-OT] iPhone help needed
Message-ID: <D19625E1-1F47-4C7B-81F4-40EF080EC8D4@wehostmacs.com>

iPhone User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en)  
AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/ 
419.


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Feb 20 00:52:28 2008
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:52:28 -0800
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>


On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've  
> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.

I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close out  
our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/ 
sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.  Gotta love  
FIOS!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 00:53:45 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:53:45 -0600
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> With all due respect to your attempt to report, I'm wondering how much 
> 2.9 beta bugs should be discussed on the USE-REV list rather than the 
> more closed IMPROVE REV list, or reports to Quality control. I'd hate to 
> see prospective new Rev users get turned off by comments here. And 
> non-beta testers might feel left out with the features they can't use 
> yet. Comments, headquarters? Heather? Lynn? Jacque?

I wondered the same thing myself, and almost didn't reply to the 
original post. You are right, the details of 2.9 are supposed to be 
limited to the improve list, or logged into the QCC.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 00:55:47 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:55:47 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802191909t54a0c74bt3b0030b97133f4e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7c87a2a10802191909t54a0c74bt3b0030b97133f4e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BBC0E3.5030901@hyperactivesw.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Where is he now? I never had a chance to talk to him.

You would have liked each other, I think. I don't know where Mr. Raney 
is now. Last I heard he was sailing the Caribbean.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 00:57:14 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:57:14 +1000
Subject: [semi-OT] iPhone help needed
In-Reply-To: <D19625E1-1F47-4C7B-81F4-40EF080EC8D4@wehostmacs.com>
References: <D19625E1-1F47-4C7B-81F4-40EF080EC8D4@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802192157t1b07a970y7a70414326a9476e@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 20, 2008 3:25 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> iPhone User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en)
> AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/
> 419.


Thanks everyone, I got several responses, all basically the same as
the one posted by Shao Sean. Some different numbers for the WebKit and
Safari versions, but I just need to search for either iPod or iPhone
in the HTTP_USER_AGENT text, then switch in my mobile style sheet.
Luckily for me, we are an Apple-only operation, so I don't have to
worry about any other mobile devices :-)

Many thanks,
Sarah


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Feb 20 01:24:20 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:24:20 -0300
Subject: Can we build console apps under linux?
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802192224h64573617x703950e0e0f31159@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

a quick question, can we build console based apps in Linux? I mean,
applications that run without X11. I'm thinking about daemons and
compiled cgis.

Is there a way or all standalones try to connect to a display server
no matter what I do.

If I do all my business during startup and quit, does it still
requires X11 to be running?

Cheers
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed Feb 20 02:01:15 2008
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:01:15 +0200
Subject: Cgi and Database (stick to standards)
In-Reply-To: <C3E09E41.4D29%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <C3E19CDB.8EEA6%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 19/2/08 9:54 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:

Hi Hershel,

> On 2/19/08 2:29 AM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:

>> I wonder where you have found info that mySQL is worse of others (SqlLite or
>> Postgre) on grow of db size ???>
>> I do not think exists significant difference between mySQL and Postgre in
>> regard of dependence on db size...
> I didn't say its worse, on sqlite I read its site this info that its faster,
> ok I do except that it might be on small or very small db's, on postgres I
> did a lot of research a while ago. mySQL is a bit faster on smaller db's as
> it gets lager it evens out then (in the Giga's) postgres is faster because
> mySQL slows down a bit.

Aha, so this is your own experience with Postgre. Okay.
 
>>> or maybe I'll look into valentina.
>> 
>> If you think about hosting, Valentina is unlikely choice. Only if you have
>> own server.

> So it looks like I'll have to stick to mySQL or PostgreSQL by the way I
> didn't find posgres available for a decent price mostly mySQL is used.

I think this is because thanks to "history" mySQL is loved by ISP. This did
happens about 7-10 years ago when Postgre was much worse. For example it did
have huge problems with non English languages while mySQL was able support
e.g. Russian encodings.

> So far I don't even have this problem yet because I don't know even on how
> to get it to work.

> The way it looks I'll have to redo the whole thing to php.
> Hershel

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Feb 20 02:56:45 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:56:45 +0200
Subject: upgrade pricing
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc3e10f4b291d@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>	<325413300802191049r446b3657x38b59d87e96db576@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0624080dc3e10f4b291d@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <47BBDD3D.8000800@ekoinf.net>

i just noticed that for those who buy/upgrade Revolution in February the 
package comes with a free set of icons (http://miryesoftware.ning.com/). 
Unfortunately I renewed my license just 3 days before February, so no 
icons for me and I will continue using open source Tango and Crystal 
icon libraries. However it would be nice to hear that from 2.9 or 3.0 
onwards any paying customer would receive a "default" library of icons 
with each Revolution download :-). While it is not a big chalenge for me 
anymore, I guess it would be very encouraging for any new customer new 
in software development with Rev to have a complete set of tools to 
start learning and working with at once.

All the best!
Viktoras

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> I'd say the 2.9 release is very close....the DP-4 beta rocks with just 
> a few things to fix.
>
> This release has a lot more value of a .1 release (the numbering 
> system was redone to accomodate the future  features in the next big 
> release 3.0).
>
> for all practical purposes there are so many fixes and new features 
> addes since 2.8.1 that one can't really pigeonhole the progress made 
> by calling it a "point-release".  2.9 will be the most solid, feature 
> packed release yet.
>
> Besides, sooner or later you'll want 3.0 which is expected perhaps by 
> the middle of this year.  (Remember 'Revolution Live' was rescheduled 
> to accomodate the announcement, if not release of version 3.0.)
>
> The stuff that's coming is awesome! Due to an NDA, I can't mention 
> what -- and if one is really curious then one will have to go to Las 
> Vegas this summer.  -- or join the beta testers.
>
>
>> Do we have a date for the 2.9 release? I am anxiously waiting!
>>
>> Neal
>>
>



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Feb 20 03:10:48 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:10:48 -0800
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us><p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>
	<47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <010701c87398$1a6ca490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> > With all due respect to your attempt to report, I'm 
> wondering how much
> > 2.9 beta bugs should be discussed on the USE-REV list 
> rather than the 
> > more closed IMPROVE REV list, or reports to Quality 
> control. I'd hate 
> > to see prospective new Rev users get turned off by comments 
> here. And 
> > non-beta testers might feel left out with the features they 
> can't use 
> > yet. Comments, headquarters? Heather? Lynn? Jacque?
> 
> I wondered the same thing myself, and almost didn't reply to 
> the original post. You are right, the details of 2.9 are 
> supposed to be limited to the improve list, or logged into the QCC.

I agree with Jacque. The Improve List is where all things beta live, and
much like Fight Club, that's the only place it should be discussed as its
under the Fight Club NDA. One does not understand the real value of bruises
unless one fights by the rules of Fight Club :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 20 03:25:02 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:25:02 +0000
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <010701c87398$1a6ca490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
References: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us><p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>
	<47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>
	<010701c87398$1a6ca490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <941E2EFC-6A7F-49E0-9375-CD48621DBE66@azurevision.co.uk>


On 20 Feb 2008, at 08:10, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> The Improve List is where all things beta live

How about those of us that have Studio licences instead of Enterprise  
and are therefore not on the Improve List?

;-)

Ian


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 20 04:49:24 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:49:24 +0100
Subject: 2.9 b4 
In-Reply-To: <010701c87398$1a6ca490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
References: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us><p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>
	<47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>
	<010701c87398$1a6ca490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <0A2D086D-783A-48D9-9A38-A4333CECDB62@economy-x-talk.com>

FYEO....

As far a I know, the public beta can be pubicly discussed on this  
mail list (the use list). The details of 2.9 are not supposed to be  
limited to the improve list, since everybody can sign up for beta  
testing without signing an NDA.

Since bugs are stored in a public database, they can be discussed  
publicly on this mail list as well. Discussion is not limited to the  
improve list. If RunRev Ltd doesn't want us to discuss bugs, the QCC  
would have to be closed.

People who have a studio license and are not on the improve list and  
have not signed an NDA can discuss everything wherever they like,  
including national secrets and the weather.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 20-feb-2008, om 9:10 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven:
>
> I agree with Jacque. The Improve List is where all things beta  
> live, and
> much like Fight Club, that's the only place it should be discussed  
> as its
> under the Fight Club NDA. One does not understand the real value of  
> bruises
> unless one fights by the rules of Fight Club :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Feb 20 04:56:48 2008
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:56:48 +0000
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:54, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>
> I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid.  
> Here are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it:

Hi Jacque

It wasn't the script content I was concerned about. Scripting  
problems exist wherever the engine is.

My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can  
attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is  
named "rev", then what happens when you request the url "http:// 
some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev"

Will Apache try to start the engine? My understanding of Apache and  
the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.)  
Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately  
close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters  
when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. In the case of the  
Windows Perl executable, I think Apache sent any query string  
attached to the url as a parameter. In some circumstances (forget  
details) the Perl executable will attempt to execute scripts passed  
as parameters. It was possible to craft a query string that would  
cause Perls to execute scripts.

As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But  
it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the  
engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top  
line of the script accordingly.

The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/ 
rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #! 
rev   It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie.  
You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-)

Cheers
Dave




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Feb 20 05:50:21 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:50:21 +0200
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <941E2EFC-6A7F-49E0-9375-CD48621DBE66@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <C3E0E0EC.4D38%hershf@rgllc.us><p06240816c3e1427025eb@[192.168.1.70]>	<47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>	<010701c87398$1a6ca490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<941E2EFC-6A7F-49E0-9375-CD48621DBE66@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47BC05ED.5080708@ekoinf.net>

Just intended to ask the same question... E.g. me is interested in 
Revolution to be improved as much as possible. So many of us do this by 
participating in beta program, hunting those nasty bugs, reporting them, 
etc... And as a "reward and motivation" participation in the Improve 
list is limited by our personal incomes and looks rather like 
Investor-Relationship list instead :-).

I really can't afford it - being a phd student in my part of the world 
is a financial challenge too...

Sorry for making waves ;-) and
all the best!
Viktoras

Ian Wood wrote:
>
> On 20 Feb 2008, at 08:10, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
>> The Improve List is where all things beta live
>
> How about those of us that have Studio licences instead of Enterprise 
> and are therefore not on the Improve List?
>
> ;-)
>
> Ian
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Feb 20 06:04:43 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:04:43 +0100
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <20080220055552.CEAA1488F22@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080220055552.CEAA1488F22@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D8543541-42D1-443F-90DB-549EAD70079F@derbrill.de>

May I humbly disagree Lynn?

there is a forum dedicated to the beta, which I believe is public.

<http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=34&sid=baa2408f16875cdaf781cc8b42ff0e01 
 >

(Although I haven?t seen Bill around there much recently)

So at least there is one place that is viewable by all, where comments  
on the Beta can be posted.
I see no harm in discussing the Beta here too, although I would expect  
someone signing up for a Beta test programme, to get familar with the  
bug tracking system. If I hadn?t the time to actually test and submit  
feedback, I whould not sign up as a Beta Tester. However,  
unfamiliarity should not lead to valuable feedback being lost.

Just my 2 Euro cents worth,

Malte

From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Feb 20 06:08:58 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:08:58 +0200
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47BC0A4A.9030707@ekoinf.net>

possibility of the direct access to revolution engine (or any other file 
in cgi-bin) can be completely eliminated by putting .htaccess file with 
the following content into the cgi-bin directory:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^(.*)(rev|revolution)(.*) http://localhost/cgi-bin/ [nc]

Now everyone trying to invoke rev or revolution from the outside world 
will be redirected to his own localhost.

best wishes!
Viktoras

Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:54, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>>
>> I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here 
>> are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it:
>
> Hi Jacque
>
> It wasn't the script content I was concerned about. Scripting problems 
> exist wherever the engine is.
>
> My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can 
> attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is 
> named "rev", then what happens when you request the url 
> "http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev"
>
> Will Apache try to start the engine? My understanding of Apache and 
> the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) 
> Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately 
> close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters 
> when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. In the case of the 
> Windows Perl executable, I think Apache sent any query string attached 
> to the url as a parameter. In some circumstances (forget details) the 
> Perl executable will attempt to execute scripts passed as parameters. 
> It was possible to craft a query string that would cause Perls to 
> execute scripts.
>
> As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But 
> it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the 
> engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line 
> of the script accordingly.
>
> The other advantage is that starting a script with 
> #!usr/bin/revbin/rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable 
> than simply using #!rev   It's like the subtle difference between 
> quiche and egg pie. You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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>
>



From wow at together.net  Wed Feb 20 06:36:17 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:36:17 -0500
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>

Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:

1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253  
or something else?

2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other  
language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on  
another server?

Thanks.
Richard Miller



On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've  
>> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>
> I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close  
> out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around  
> 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.   
> Gotta love FIOS!
>
>
> Mark Talluto
> -- 
> CANELA Software
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 20 06:44:14 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:44:14 +0100
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
Message-ID: <4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

The easiest way to send mail is probably <http://article.gmane.org/ 
gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/106139/match=mail+cgi>

It may depend on server configuration, but it should be possible to  
do FTP transfers from one web server to another, provided that the  
FTP library is uncluded. As a test, I wrote a CGI script that opened  
a socket on my computer at home. This worked fine.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 20-feb-2008, om 12:36 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven:

> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>
> 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With  
> libsmtp253 or something else?
>
> 2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other  
> language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on  
> another server?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
>


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Wed Feb 20 07:12:47 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:12:47 +0100
Subject: verboseLog.txt
In-Reply-To: <6935347D-6880-4592-A0CF-C08CF4E5DA1C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <E927FF9A-3A0C-46E5-8DC3-660ECD767F75@free.fr>
	<6935347D-6880-4592-A0CF-C08CF4E5DA1C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <965A21E4-B619-4362-ACEB-EDCD5766EE5E@free.fr>

Hi  Mark ,

> You can turn this off with a global or property... don't remember  
> by heart, but you can also download Verbose Logging Plugin from  
> Revonline, user name Mark. This allows you to turn it on and off.


So, a quick comment on what I've found...

the rev command is:  revVerboseDebug  true/false
the global is:              gREVVerboseDebug
the property in stack "revPreferences" is:  the cVerboseDebug

HTH,

Thanks Mark for your help,
Regards,
Thierry




From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Feb 20 08:58:07 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:58:07 -0600
Subject: Dialog Stack Design Questions
Message-ID: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>

I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of dialog 
boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of handling this that 
I've thought of but I don't know what would be considered "best:"

1) A separate stack for each dialog.
    Pros: Sizing, function (information only, getting user input, etc) 
can be implemented without worrying about it's effect
             on other dialogs.
    Cons: You need the basic "stack overhead" repeated over and over for 
each dialog

2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
    Pros: Single stack overhead (smaller file size)
    Cons: Every time a dialog is opened, the correct card has to be 
selected and then the stack has to be resized for that particular        
      dialog.

3) Some other approach.

Any advice? I know I could use either one and make it work but I looking 
for "best practice" advice.


Thanks!

Len Morgan


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 20 09:37:15 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:37:15 +0000
Subject: Dialog Stack Design Questions
In-Reply-To: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
References: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <A47A382E-C7DC-4313-AA04-CC190B2D2984@azurevision.co.uk>

What kind of dialog boxes do you needing to show?

My personal take is that dialog boxes should be kept as simple as  
possible, and therefore the built-in answer and ask commands cover  
about 90% of my needs plus a small number of separate stacks for the  
remaining more complex ones.

Ian


On 20 Feb 2008, at 13:58, Len Morgan wrote:

> I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of  
> dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of handling  
> this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be considered  
> "best:"
>
> 1) A separate stack for each dialog.
>
> 2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
>
> 3) Some other approach.


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 20 10:11:15 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:15 +0100
Subject: Dialog Stack Design Questions
In-Reply-To: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
References: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <3EEE0ACC-AB57-4039-87F0-7963638E6850@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Len,

First I have to say that I try to minimize dialogs use.
In many cases, I use a group on the current card but with a darker  
background because, as a user, I hate to have hundreds windows, all  
different, that show up and have to be closed as you can see them in  
MS Word for instance.
I reserve 'external' dialogs for alerts only.
And I never use 'Ask' because I want to master the kind of data I let  
the user enter in any entry box.
All my users seem pleased with this way of doing that is based,  
before everything else, on a deep ergonomic study.
Now if you want to make many dialogs showing up, I would recommend to  
pay attention at each window layout to make them a 'real family'.
About using a single stack or several, I don't think that file size  
is now a problem and, above all, different stacks make reuse later  
easier in any project.

Le 20 f?vr. 08 ? 14:58, Len Morgan a ?crit :

> I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of  
> dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of  
> handling this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be  
> considered "best:"
>
> 1) A separate stack for each dialog.
>    Pros: Sizing, function (information only, getting user input,  
> etc) can be implemented without worrying about it's effect
>             on other dialogs.
>    Cons: You need the basic "stack overhead" repeated over and over  
> for each dialog
>
> 2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
>    Pros: Single stack overhead (smaller file size)
>    Cons: Every time a dialog is opened, the correct card has to be  
> selected and then the stack has to be resized for that  
> particular             dialog.
>
> 3) Some other approach.
>
> Any advice? I know I could use either one and make it work but I  
> looking for "best practice" advice.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Len Morgan

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Feb 20 10:32:01 2008
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:32:01 +0100
Subject: Dialog Stack Design Questions
In-Reply-To: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
References: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <p0624082dc3e1f4df6a4b@[192.168.1.100]>

On 20/02/08 at 07:58 -0600 Len Morgan apparently wrote:
>I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of 
>dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of handling 
>this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be considered 
>"best:"

There is no single best solution. All depends on a number of factors.

>1) A separate stack for each dialog.
>    Pros: Sizing, function (information only, getting user input, 
>etc) can be implemented without worrying about it's effect
>             on other dialogs.
>    Cons: You need the basic "stack overhead" repeated over and over 
>for each dialog

You can have a common library stack which handles common functions, 
so each individual stack has only stuff that is unique to it. In this 
approach you indeed keep multiple stacks loaded in memory, but 
nowadays this is seldom an issue. If you need to show one dialog on 
top of another, this is the only approach.

>2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
>    Pros: Single stack overhead (smaller file size)
>    Cons: Every time a dialog is opened, the correct card has to be 
>selected and then the stack has to be resized for that 
>particular       
>      dialog.

Which card to open can be passed through the dialogData property. 
Resizing can be done by having size (and possibly location) stored in 
a custom property of each card and set in the preopencard handler. If 
you need dynamic sizing of dialogs, peek at the scripts in the answer 
stack provided with Revolution.

>3) Some other approach.

Similar to 2) but instead of cards, you can have controls for each 
dialog kept as groups that you show and hide. Since some elements can 
be shared, so it makes this a tad more compact than 2 and eliminates 
switching cards. Resizing/positioning works same as in 2).

>Any advice? I know I could use either one and make it work but I 
>looking for "best practice" advice.

You can mix and match the approaches. If you have a few similar 
dialogs, you can use approach 2 or 3 for them. For dissimilar dialogs 
stay with 1. Whatever fits best your programming style and the logic 
of your program.

Robert


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Feb 20 11:37:50 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:37:50 -0800
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <D8543541-42D1-443F-90DB-549EAD70079F@derbrill.de>
References: <20080220055552.CEAA1488F22@mail.runrev.com>
	<D8543541-42D1-443F-90DB-549EAD70079F@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <003701c873de$f0368d20$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> May I humbly disagree Lynn?

I thought I heard chest smacking and leaf throwing there Malte ;-)

> there is a forum dedicated to the beta, which I believe is public.
> 
> <http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=34&sid=baa240
> 8f16875cdaf781cc8b42ff0e01
>  >
> 
> (Although I haven?t seen Bill around there much recently)

OoOoOoh Bill?
 
> So at least there is one place that is viewable by all, where 
> comments on the Beta can be posted.
> I see no harm in discussing the Beta here too, although I 
> would expect someone signing up for a Beta test programme, to 
> get familar with the bug tracking system. If I hadn?t the 
> time to actually test and submit feedback, I whould not sign 
> up as a Beta Tester. However, unfamiliarity should not lead 
> to valuable feedback being lost.

Aha - well yes, if the Open Community Beta is still going on for 2.9, then
sure. I guess what then you need to be careful about is talking about
anything that's discussed in regards to the beta in specific to what is on
the Improve List.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From paulgabel at comcast.net  Wed Feb 20 11:59:22 2008
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:59:22 -0800
Subject: Dialog Stack Design Questions
In-Reply-To: <p0624082dc3e1f4df6a4b@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>
	<p0624082dc3e1f4df6a4b@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <78492786-B295-4230-9D2F-B8AAD6171FCB@comcast.net>

Len and Robert:

Another solution is to designate one card in your stack as the dialog  
card, title it "Information," and place a field, a Cancel button, and  
an OK button on it. Then place the dialog information into the field  
by script as shown below. This method is very flexible and conserving  
of resources.

global theOK

on linkClicked -- linked text in this particular case
   put 2 into theOK
   put "--------------------" into field "Info" of card "Information"
   go card "Information"
   wait while theOK = 2 with messages
   if theOK = 1 then go recent card -- occurs when the user clicks on  
the OK button on card "Information"
end linkClicked

In the OK button on card "Information" include the handler:

global theOK

on mouseUp
   put 1 into theOK
end mouseUp

---------------
On Feb 20, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> On 20/02/08 at 07:58 -0600 Len Morgan apparently wrote:
>> I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of  
>> dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of  
>> handling this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be  
>> considered "best:"
>
> There is no single best solution. All depends on a number of factors.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 12:54:33 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:54:33 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47BC6959.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can 
> attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is named 
> "rev", then what happens when you request the url 
> "http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev"

I get an "internal server error" and nothing happens.

> 
> Will Apache try to start the engine?

Doesn't look like it, or if it does, it won't work. I think that's what 
Scott Raney was saying. The only vulnerabilities the engine allows are 
the ones you write into your scripts yourself.

> My understanding of Apache and the 
> cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) Normally, I 
> think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately close. But if 
> it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters when opening the 
> engine, the risks seem higher.

I'm not sure how to pass parameters like that. If someone knows, I'd 
like to test it.

> As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But it 
> will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the 
> engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line 
> of the script accordingly.
> 
> The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/rev 
> or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #!rev   
> It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie. You'll swear 
> your scripts run faster. :-)

I can't argue with that. :)

BTW, even though I said I just name my cgi engine "rev", I lied. I 
didn't. I named it something unguessable, just to be safe. So you and I 
aren't so different after all.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 20 13:52:19 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:52:19 -0800
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org>

Richard-

> Klaus:  no MP3s at your site?

...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling 
with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to 
upload them again, but I've got some at http://cdbaby.com/cd/alephnull if 
anyone cares...

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From wow at together.net  Wed Feb 20 14:00:49 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:00:49 -0500
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>

Hi Mark,

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed  
to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is  
send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program  
(where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a  
form). Can cgiemail do that?

Thanks.
Richard


On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> The easiest way to send mail is probably <http://article.gmane.org/ 
> gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/106139/match=mail+cgi>
>
> It may depend on server configuration, but it should be possible to  
> do FTP transfers from one web server to another, provided that the  
> FTP library is uncluded. As a test, I wrote a CGI script that  
> opened a socket on my computer at home. This worked fine.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color  
> Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
> Op 20-feb-2008, om 12:36 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>>
>> 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With  
>> libsmtp253 or something else?
>>
>> 2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other  
>> language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on  
>> another server?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 20 14:48:08 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:48:08 -0800
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
Message-ID: <47BC83F8.8040808@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richard-
> 
>> Klaus:  no MP3s at your site?
> 
> ...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling 
> with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to 
> upload them again, but I've got some at http://cdbaby.com/cd/alephnull if 
> anyone cares...

Wow!   About half my collection is world music, and your wonderful tunes 
will fit right in.  Great stuff, Mark!

Is there an option to purchase a download rather than wait for a 
physical CD?

PS: Really nice cover art.  Gorgeous.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Feb 20 15:11:13 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:11:13 -0600
Subject: Dialog Stack Design Questions
In-Reply-To: <78492786-B295-4230-9D2F-B8AAD6171FCB@comcast.net>
References: <47BC31EF.1080400@crcom.net>	<p0624082dc3e1f4df6a4b@[192.168.1.100]>
	<78492786-B295-4230-9D2F-B8AAD6171FCB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47BC8961.6080507@crcom.net>

Thanks to everyone for their responses.  It appears that:

1) There are MANY ways to handle dialog boxes (I knew that before)
2) The is NO best way to do it.

I guess Rev's blessing of flexibility can also be a curse!  :-)

len


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 20 15:11:34 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:11:34 -0800
Subject: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC
In-Reply-To: <fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com> <fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0624081cc3e2399c1504@[192.168.1.70]>

FYI. I've been with Dreamhost for over 5 years and THAT never happened there.

>...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling
>with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to


-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 15:43:01 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:43:01 -0600
Subject: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC
In-Reply-To: <p0624081cc3e2399c1504@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com> <fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<p0624081cc3e2399c1504@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <47BC90D5.6060607@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> FYI. I've been with Dreamhost for over 5 years and THAT never happened 
> there.
> 
>> ...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling
>> with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to
> 
> 

I've been with JaguarPC (and its predecessors) for over 8 years and it's 
never happened to me either. Mark, you should write to support and find 
out what happened. It's definitely not normal.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 15:44:55 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:44:55 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully created a
'helloworld.cgi' which works.

Next I used Jacque's echo.mt script....changed it to echo.cgi and it works
fine.

Then, I created a small cgi, that opens a simple stack and reads from the
first card and outputs it. This works fine using my localmachine webserver.

While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
account.

Here's the script:

#!revolution

on startup

put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
put "Hello World!"
put the files
put cr & the version
--> RETURNS 2.6.6
if there is a file "BasicComments.rev" then
put cr & "found it"

--> SCRIPTS STOPS EXECUTING HERE
open stack "BasicComments.rev"

put the long name of field 1 of stack "BasicComments.rev" into t
put t
close stack "BasicComments.rev"
else
put "Can't find it"
end if

--> BELOW NOT EXECUTED
put "done"

end startup

I've checked permissions and everything seems ok. The stack is named in the
files list the cgi renders to text, just it never runs. The capitalization
of the stack seems correct. Is there an issue with Linux Rev 2.6.6 engine?
Any help is much appreciated :-)

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 15:47:56 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:47:56 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201247w549a3af6ka88cce684088cc76@mail.gmail.com>

As Chris tells me...
"Now you get to answer your own question."

Which is simply the 2.6.6 engine doesn't open a 2.8.1 stack....DUH

So, now off to download the 2.9 beta engine and try that one...


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 15:49:54 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:49:54 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
> mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully created a
> 'helloworld.cgi' which works.
> 
> Next I used Jacque's echo.mt script....changed it to echo.cgi and it works
> fine.
> 
> Then, I created a small cgi, that opens a simple stack and reads from the
> first card and outputs it. This works fine using my localmachine webserver.
> 
> While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
> account.
> 
> Here's the script:
> 
> #!revolution
> 
> on startup
> 
> put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
> put "Hello World!"
> put the files
> put cr & the version
> --> RETURNS 2.6.6
> if there is a file "BasicComments.rev" then
> put cr & "found it"
> 
> --> SCRIPTS STOPS EXECUTING HERE
> open stack "BasicComments.rev"
> 
> put the long name of field 1 of stack "BasicComments.rev" into t
> put t
> close stack "BasicComments.rev"
> else
> put "Can't find it"
> end if
> 
> --> BELOW NOT EXECUTED
> put "done"
> 
> end startup
> 
> I've checked permissions and everything seems ok. The stack is named in the
> files list the cgi renders to text, just it never runs. The capitalization
> of the stack seems correct. Is there an issue with Linux Rev 2.6.6 engine?
> Any help is much appreciated :-)

You can't "open" files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI, 
which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to "start using stack" 
instead. Change the "open stack" line to "start using stack" and it 
should work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 15:56:49 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BC9411.9050709@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
> account.

Just in case, here's a few more tips about using stacks with CGI scripts:

****
A brief list of things to keep in mind when using stacks with CGIs:

     * Stacks must be put in use to be recognized.

     * Set the defaultstack, or refer to all objects by their long names.

     * Examine the environment variable $REQUEST_METHOD if necessary to 
see how form parameters are being sent. For the "get" method, read 
$QUERY_STRING. For the "post" method, read from stdin until empty.

     * Use the split command and the urlDecode function to parse script 
parameters.

These items are discussed in more detail below.

****

("Below" being at: <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/scripts3.html>)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 16:03:01 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:03:01 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure?

http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

>
> You can't "open" files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI,
> which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to "start using stack"
> instead. Change the "open stack" line to "start using stack" and it
> should work.


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Feb 20 16:04:46 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:04:46 +0000
Subject: [ANN] libS3
In-Reply-To: <BF615991-ED00-4581-9739-E6D8BC4DB3B6@maseurope.net>
References: <BF615991-ED00-4581-9739-E6D8BC4DB3B6@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <23B180F4-0A01-446F-A88F-489E780B210D@maseurope.net>

Sorry, that url is:

http://maspub.s3.amazonaws.com/libS3.zip

for the thousands clamouring to download it :)

Best,

Mark

On 19 Feb 2008, at 13:35, Mark Smith wrote:

> I've made a library for working with the amazon s3 storage service.  
> This is working well on my OS X machine, but is not much more than  
> a beta, so any and all comments and suggestions will be welcome,  
> either on or off list.
>
> And to demonstrate the Revolution 'eating your own haggis'  
> principle, you can get it here:
>
> http://maspub.s3.amazonaws.com/libS3 1.0.0.zip
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 16:12:31 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:12:31 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201312l5168f664mf321b5d2ab35e218@mail.gmail.com>

Jacque (or anyone else),

I've installed the latest best 2.9 Linux revolution and now the
helloworld.cgi doesn't even work. Are you (or anyone) using the 2.9 latest
beta successfully, and if not, can you point me to a version which does
actually work, which also works with the lastest stack file formats? I
imagine there are some shared library dependencies which may not be 'hooked
up correctly' for 2.9 to work-- though this is only a guess.

-Chipp

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
> > mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully
> created a
> > 'helloworld.cgi' which works.
> >
> > Next I used Jacque's echo.mt script....changed it to echo.cgi and it
> works
> > fine.
> >
> > Then, I created a small cgi, that opens a simple stack and reads from
> the
> > first card and outputs it. This works fine using my localmachine
> webserver.
> >
> > While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
> > account.
> >
> > Here's the script:
> >
> > #!revolution
> >
> > on startup
> >
> > put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
> > put "Hello World!"
> > put the files
> > put cr & the version
> > --> RETURNS 2.6.6
> > if there is a file "BasicComments.rev" then
> > put cr & "found it"
> >
> > --> SCRIPTS STOPS EXECUTING HERE
> > open stack "BasicComments.rev"
> >
> > put the long name of field 1 of stack "BasicComments.rev" into t
> > put t
> > close stack "BasicComments.rev"
> > else
> > put "Can't find it"
> > end if
> >
> > --> BELOW NOT EXECUTED
> > put "done"
> >
> > end startup
> >
> > I've checked permissions and everything seems ok. The stack is named in
> the
> > files list the cgi renders to text, just it never runs. The
> capitalization
> > of the stack seems correct. Is there an issue with Linux Rev 2.6.6engine?
> > Any help is much appreciated :-)
>
> You can't "open" files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI,
> which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to "start using stack"
> instead. Change the "open stack" line to "start using stack" and it
> should work.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 16:27:01 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:27:01 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BC9B25.3080601@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Are you sure?
> 
> http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php

Well, I used to be. :) Maybe something's changed. Or maybe "go" still 
doesn't work but "open" does...

Haven't tried it for a while.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 16:35:04 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:35:04 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Are you sure?
> 
> http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php
> 

I just did a quick test on my local server, and "open" fails there. 
"Start using" works. When I use "open" I do not get an error, but the 
script hangs. Granted, this is using an old copy of the engine, the last 
Darwin engine that was released 3 years ago.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 20 16:46:27 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:27 -0800
Subject: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>
	<fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org><p0624081cc3e2399c1504@[192.168.1.70]>
	<47BC90D5.6060607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <fpi73k$t7g$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jacque-

> I've been with JaguarPC (and its predecessors) for over 8 years and it's 
> never happened to me either. Mark, you should write to support and find 
> out what happened. It's definitely not normal.

rotfl... I did get that part figured out.

I'm not too worried since I've got all the files backed up and I've got 
Jaguar on a monthly probationary basis, so I can drop them anytime and go 
with someone more reliable. Every time I think things have settled down with 
their hosting servers something else happens. At least this time they didn't 
lose a few days worth of email for me like when the hosting server's power 
supply died. I'd copy the support email traffic on that but the language 
isn't appropriate for this list...

I love JaguarPC's redefinition of 24/7 support: email support and you'll get 
an email answer within 24 hours 7 days a week.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 16:48:49 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:48:49 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I guess I'll have to work my CGI's in 2.6.1.....bummer as I hate
working in 2 diff IDE's.

This legacy format thing really sucks especially since there's no engine
support for the new format.
I tried uploading and using the file called "Standalone" (renaming it
'revolution') in the Linux Runtime directory...and it doesn't work at
JaguarPC.

I'll keep on banging my head against this thing and let you know what I find
out...


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 16:53:08 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:53:08 -0600
Subject: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC
In-Reply-To: <fpi73k$t7g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>	<fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org><p0624081cc3e2399c1504@[192.168.1.70]>	<47BC90D5.6060607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<fpi73k$t7g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <47BCA144.6030505@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jacque-
> 
>> I've been with JaguarPC (and its predecessors) for over 8 years and it's 
>> never happened to me either. Mark, you should write to support and find 
>> out what happened. It's definitely not normal.
> 
> rotfl... I did get that part figured out.

Did you find out what went wrong? I've never had any of the problems you 
mention, but if things are happening to you regularly then I guess I 
wouldn't blame you for moving elsewhere.

On the two occasions I needed it, their tech support has always 
responded to my questions within an hour or so. I'm not necessarily 
defending them, I just haven't had a good reason to leave.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From hershf at rgllc.us  Wed Feb 20 16:53:07 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:53:07 -0500
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <47BBC069.4080008@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C3E20B73.4D73%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/20/08 12:53 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> With all due respect to your attempt to report, I'm wondering how much
>> 2.9 beta bugs should be discussed on the USE-REV list rather than the
>> more closed IMPROVE REV list, or reports to Quality control. I'd hate to
>> see prospective new Rev users get turned off by comments here. And
>> non-beta testers might feel left out with the features they can't use
>> yet. Comments, headquarters? Heather? Lynn? Jacque?
> 
> I wondered the same thing myself, and almost didn't reply to the
> original post. You are right, the details of 2.9 are supposed to be
> limited to the improve list, or logged into the QCC.
Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
there is another list to post on
And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?
Hershel



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 16:59:56 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:59:56 -0600
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <C3E20B73.4D73%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3E20B73.4D73%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <47BCA2DC.8050005@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
> there is another list to post on
> And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?

Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 17:04:59 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:04:59 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>	<47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BCA40B.2090700@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Yeah, I guess I'll have to work my CGI's in 2.6.1.....bummer as I hate
> working in 2 diff IDE's.
> 
> This legacy format thing really sucks especially since there's no engine
> support for the new format.
> I tried uploading and using the file called "Standalone" (renaming it
> 'revolution') in the Linux Runtime directory...and it doesn't work at
> JaguarPC.
> 
> I'll keep on banging my head against this thing and let you know what I find
> out...

I'll give it a try too later today, now that you've got me curious. BTW, 
you don't have to work in a separate IDE to save as a legacy stack. For 
now, when you are ready to save a stack for the server, just do a "save 
as" and change the popup button at the bottom of the save file dialog to 
"legacy format". That should work. (Media users, note that you don't 
have that button.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 20 17:16:07 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:16:07 -0800
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
Message-ID: <47BCA6A7.7060503@fourthworld.com>

Anyone here every use a standalone as a CGI on Linux?

I've been unable to, but I'd be interested in hearing success stories.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 17:42:37 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:42:37 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <47BCA40B.2090700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BCA40B.2090700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201442g4f7531bev4483a2874c4e49fb@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I got the cgi up and running. "Open stack" worked fine. Supposedly you
need to call "close stack" though I haven't tested it.

Another note of interest...
my comments are typically:

--> THIS IS A COMMENT...2 DASHES FOLLOWED BY A GREATER THAN SIGN

but they just hang the cgi for some reason (engine 2.6.6 - Linux)

but these work as comments:

// THIS IS A VALID COMMENT
# SO IS THIS

what up?

Also, in 2.8.1-gm-3, using the "Preserve stack file version on stacks saved
in legacy format" preference doesn't work. It saves them in the new format.
Funny thing is, even my old StackFormat plugin won't save the stacks in
legacy format...Is there a new command for this?

It used to be
set the stackFileVersion to...(new stack version)

But, it doesn't seem to work...any other ideas?

TIA, Chipp


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 17:54:38 2008
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:54:38 -0700
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201442g4f7531bev4483a2874c4e49fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BCA40B.2090700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201442g4f7531bev4483a2874c4e49fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182D3198-D350-4F97-A0DA-6BD58B688E92@gmail.com>

Chipp,

It's been my experience that you have to perform a Save As on the  
stack, specifying to save in Legacy format, before that preference  
truly kicks in. I've never been able to simply open a legacy stack in  
2.8.1 and have it stay that way unless I do a Save As first. Kind of  
strange, but it has worked for me.

Chris

--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.


On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Well, I got the cgi up and running. "Open stack" worked fine.  
> Supposedly you
> need to call "close stack" though I haven't tested it.
>
> Another note of interest...
> my comments are typically:
>
> --> THIS IS A COMMENT...2 DASHES FOLLOWED BY A GREATER THAN SIGN
>
> but they just hang the cgi for some reason (engine 2.6.6 - Linux)
>
> but these work as comments:
>
> // THIS IS A VALID COMMENT
> # SO IS THIS
>
> what up?
>
> Also, in 2.8.1-gm-3, using the "Preserve stack file version on  
> stacks saved
> in legacy format" preference doesn't work. It saves them in the new  
> format.
> Funny thing is, even my old StackFormat plugin won't save the stacks  
> in
> legacy format...Is there a new command for this?
>
> It used to be
> set the stackFileVersion to...(new stack version)
>
> But, it doesn't seem to work...any other ideas?
>
> TIA, Chipp
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 20 17:56:10 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:56:10 -0800
Subject: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC
References: <47B48ADA.7080702@fourthworld.com>	<fphst4$m6a$1@ger.gmane.org><p0624081cc3e2399c1504@[192.168.1.70]>	<47BC90D5.6060607@hyperactivesw.com><fpi73k$t7g$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<47BCA144.6030505@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <fpib6d$c3u$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jacque-

> Did you find out what went wrong?

No - I've been out of town for a week and I'm just starting to catch up on 
things. I've got backups of everything, so one of these days I'll just start 
a mass upload and everything will be as it was. I'm sure tech support will 
have a good excuse for what happened, but finding out doesn't really get me 
anywhere.

> On the two occasions I needed it, their tech support has always responded 
> to my questions within an hour or so. I'm not necessarily defending them, 
> I just haven't had a good reason to leave.

<g> I'm not suggesting that you do. I probably won't either right now, just 
patch things back up and get back to work.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 17:59:22 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:59:22 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201442g4f7531bev4483a2874c4e49fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BCA40B.2090700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201442g4f7531bev4483a2874c4e49fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201459y61b78b6m164766dca736d72@mail.gmail.com>

OK, Figured out the problem with the preserve stack format, and my own Save
Legacy format plugin.

You used to be able to set the stackFileVersion and it would stay set. Now
the RevSave version overides it as it's looking for a RevGeneral custom prop
in working with "Preserve stack file version on stacks saved in legacy
format." If it doesn't find the prop, it saves in the most current format.
This is a new feature from when my plugin was written. And...because I
'AltClean' my stacks, thus removing this RevGeneral custom prop and other
props (can save up to 50% of a stacks size), RevSave no longer honors the
legacy information.

So, I've updated my Legacy Save plugin, so that now stacks can be saved
without calling RevSave. The plugin is called "StackFormat" and can be
downloaded by putting into the message box:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/StackFormat.rev"

Then save the stack somewhere, and open it as palette and it's good to go.

-Chipp


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 20 17:59:24 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:59:24 -0800
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
References: <47BC83F8.8040808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <fpibce$cnb$1@ger.gmane.org>

Richard-

> Is there an option to purchase a download rather than wait for a physical 
> CD?

Not that I'm aware of. I don't think cdbaby has that capability, but then 
I've never really followed up on it to find out.

> PS: Really nice cover art.  Gorgeous.

Yes, thanks. I'm quite pleased with the way that turned out. Couple of 
spectacular designs from Hossein's father, who's a rug designer in Iran.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 20 18:29:37 2008
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:29:37 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
Message-ID: <0002E955.47BCC5F0@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

maybe someone can help.
I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.

I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in Ultraedit editor under Windows.

The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel. This file can be reopened 
in Excel without problems.
Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some characters are not shown like ultraedit shows them)

<Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m??, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160??/160?? (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T??V/GS, T??V Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell>


The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
This one cannot opened in Excel.

Here?s smoe sample code, how Rev reads that file

<Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m?, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160?/160? (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T?V/GS, T?V Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell> 

As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the character for degree and also some german "umlaute".

The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for these characters.

How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like the ones in the export xml-file?

I hope, i was clear enough.

Regards,

Matthias




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 20 18:35:41 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:35:41 -0800
Subject: Can we build console apps under linux?
References: <7c87a2a10802192224h64573617x703950e0e0f31159@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fpidgf$jnj$1@ger.gmane.org>

Andre-

> a quick question, can we build console based apps in Linux? I mean,
> applications that run without X11. I'm thinking about daemons and
> compiled cgis.

Indeed you can. Specify "-ui" as part of the launching commandline and write 
your output to stdout.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 20 18:17:47 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:17:47 +0000
Subject: 2.9 b4
Message-ID: <200802202317.47613.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Well, having only 2.9 dp-3 available at present, just one question about b4:

Does it do multiple desktops properly on Linux yet?

Or is it time to give up, accept that the HIGs were right all along, all we 
ever needed was one, just a bigger one,  and buy a 30 inch monitor?

Peter


From hershf at rgllc.us  Wed Feb 20 18:54:15 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:15 -0500
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <47BCA2DC.8050005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C3E227D7.4D82%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/20/08 4:59 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
>> there is another list to post on
>> And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?
> 
> Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.
Well that's why on third thought I apologized :-)

Hershel



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 20 19:01:02 2008
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:02 +0000
Subject: Problem with characters/special characters in XML
Message-ID: <0002E957.47BCCD4D@192.168.168.3>



Hi,

unfortunately i sent the message below with a wrong subject. Please excuse.


So here?s my problem, maybe someone can help.

I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.

I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in Ultraedit editor under Windows.

The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel. This file can be reopened 
in Excel without problems.
Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some characters are not shown like ultraedit shows them)

<Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m??, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160??/160?? (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T??V/GS, T??V Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell>


The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
This one cannot be opened in Excel.

Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads that file

<Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m?, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160?/160? (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T?V/GS, T?V Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell> 

As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the character for degree and also some german "umlaute".

The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for each of these characters.

How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like the ones in the export xml-file?

I hope, i was clear enough.

Regards,

Matthias





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 20 19:04:15 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:04:15 +0100
Subject: Problem with characters/special characters in XML
In-Reply-To: <0002E957.47BCCD4D@192.168.168.3>
References: <0002E957.47BCCD4D@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <BABCF036-EFF3-485C-A91D-F5E51455C6EC@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Matthias,

Have you tried converting the file to UTF8?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 21-feb-2008, om 1:01 heeft runrev260805 at m-r-d.de het volgende  
geschreven:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> unfortunately i sent the message below with a wrong subject. Please  
> excuse.
>
>
> So here?s my problem, maybe someone can help.
>
> I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.
>
> I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in  
> Ultraedit editor under Windows.
>
> The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel.  
> This file can be reopened
> in Excel without problems.
> Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some  
> characters are not shown like ultraedit shows them)
>
> <Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050  
> Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m??, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160??/160? 
> ? (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  
> Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
> Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T??V/GS, T??V Ergo, 473 x  
> 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell>
>
>
> The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
> This one cannot be opened in Excel.
>
> Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads that file
>
> <Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050  
> Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m?, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160?/160?  
> (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  
> Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
> Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T?V/GS, T?V Ergo, 473 x  
> 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell>
>
> As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the  
> character for degree and also some german "umlaute".
>
> The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for each of these  
> characters.
>
> How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like  
> the ones in the export xml-file?
>
> I hope, i was clear enough.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 20 19:16:10 2008
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:16:10 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Problem with characters/special characters in XML
Message-ID: <DIIE.000002360002E959@192.168.168.3>

Hi Mark,

i don?t know how to do that.

Could you give me an example?

Regards,

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Problem with characters/special characters in XML (21-Feb-2008 1:09)
From:    Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Have you tried converting the file to UTF8?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
> 
> 
> 
> Op 21-feb-2008, om 1:01 heeft runrev260805 at m-r-d.de het volgende  
> geschreven:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > unfortunately i sent the message below with a wrong subject. Please  > 
> > excuse.
> >
> >
> > So here?s my problem, maybe someone can help.
> >
> > I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.
> >
> > I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in  
> > Ultraedit editor under Windows.
> >
> > The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel.  > This 
> > file can be reopened
> > in Excel without problems.
> > Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some  
> > characters are not shown like ultraedit shows them)
> >
> > <Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050  > Pixel, 
> > Helligkeit 300cd/m??, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160??/160? 
> > ? (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  > 
> > Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
> > Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T??V/GS, T??V Ergo, 473 x  
> > 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell>
> >
> >
> > The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
> > This one cannot be opened in Excel.
> >
> > Here?s some sample code, how Rev reads that file
> >
> > <Cell ss:StyleID="s21"><Data ss:Type="String">WSXGA 1680 x 1050  > Pixel, 
> > Helligkeit 300cd/m?, Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160?/160?  
> > (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  
> > Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
> > Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, T?V/GS, T?V Ergo, 473 x  > 310 x 
> > 73 mm, 5.6 kg</Data></Cell>
> >
> > As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the  
> > character for degree and also some german "umlaute".
> >
> > The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for each of these  
> > characters.
> >
> > How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like  
> > the ones in the export xml-file?
> >
> > I hope, i was clear enough.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 20 20:17:42 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:17:42 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
Message-ID: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>


Is there an easy way to do this in script?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Feb 20 20:27:40 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:27:40 +0000
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <47BCD38C.2090804@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text from 
  a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the Windows 
side of things.

Cheers,

Luis.



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
> 


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 20 20:49:50 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:49:50 -0800
Subject: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?
Message-ID: <C3E218BE.38837%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hello List:

Has anyone created a routine to conduct a recursive directory listing of a
remote server?  I don't believe the old directoryWalk script in the archives
can be used as it relies on setting the directory property.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 21:14:03 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:14:03 +0800
Subject: upgrade pricing
In-Reply-To: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
References: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802201814hbec507cxf77cac3ef4d70c6a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:43 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:

> I recently bought Revolution, v2.8.1, and I'm getting the emails about
> a 2.9 upgrade. The upgrade price seems to be ?149, which seems a lot
> for a 0.1 version increase, especially so soon after buying the
> product. Am I misunderstanding the pricing?
>

Yes :-)

?149 applies if your 1 year license has expired. I take 'recently bought'
meaning less than a year so you're entitled to an 'Early Update Pack':

http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_early_update

which is ?99.

If the e-mail you are talking about is the one about Pre-Order 2.9, then it
also mentions a 15% discount buy entering the supplied code at check-out, so
you'd actually be up for ?85. Important to note that if you purchased an
Update Pack today your license is extended by a year, NOT from today, but
from whenever your current license is due to expire. You loose nothing by
updating early, just gain the discounted price.

Interesting, to 'reward my loyalty' to keeping my license updated I am
entitled to..... the same 15% discount using the same discount code. Ghee I
wonder what the disloyal scum got ;-))

I just went over to Rev and purchased the Early Update with the discount and
it came to ?84:15. I did to provide accurate info to this List (and if you
believe that you'd believe that loyalty bit really tugged at my heart
strings ;-)

Already got an e-mail from Rev telling me they've got my order and it will
be fully processed in 2 days.


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 21:28:32 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:28:32 -0600
Subject: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?
In-Reply-To: <C3E218BE.38837%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3E218BE.38837%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201828u73552874jd8265c8ad289ff4a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Scott,

This is Mac only.

Don't know if this will help....but it does demonstrate manually walking
through directories (I think) on a Unix based machine (MacOSX). I don't have
my Mac w/me, but you may be able to cobble something together based upon
some of the code here:

altFileMgr
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb 20 21:31:46 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:31:46 -0600
Subject: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201828u73552874jd8265c8ad289ff4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3E218BE.38837%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<7aa52a210802201828u73552874jd8265c8ad289ff4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802201831k19880e29pac963dfd93280223@mail.gmail.com>

You can access the stack in msg:
go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/revAltFileMgr.rev"

on second look, it appears to use the defaultfolder...sorry. But the idea is
do a directory listing via shell, which, IMO, should work.


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Feb 20 21:41:24 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:41:24 +0000
Subject: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?
In-Reply-To: <C3E218BE.38837%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3E218BE.38837%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BF7E6C83-F691-448A-B059-7C0BE40084BA@maseurope.net>

Scott, this function may be helpful. I've not tried it on a remote  
server...

function getDWShell pFolder
   if the platform is "Win32" then
      set the hideconsolewindows to true
   replace "/" with "\" in pFolder
   put shell("dir /s/b/a:-d-h" && q(pFolder)) into tFiles
   replace "\" with "/" in tFiles
   return tFiles
   else
    put shell("find " & q(pFolder) & " -type f") into fileList
    if the platform is "MacOS" then
       filter fileList without "*/.*"
    end if
    filter fileList without empty
    put unidecode(uniencode(fileList, "UTF8")) into fileList
    sort lines of fileList
    return fileList
   end if
end getDWShell

function q pStr
   return quote & pStr & quote
end q

Best,

Mark

On 21 Feb 2008, at 01:49, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hello List:
>
> Has anyone created a routine to conduct a recursive directory  
> listing of a
> remote server?  I don't believe the old directoryWalk script in the  
> archives
> can be used as it relies on setting the directory property.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 20 22:02:13 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:02:13 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
Message-ID: <47BCE9B5.5070804@fourthworld.com>

Luis wrote:

 > Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
 >
 > Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
 > from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
 > Windows side of things.

Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be fine. 
But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an action (OS 
X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss something?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Feb 20 22:13:06 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:13:06 +1100
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BCE9B5.5070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C3E33772.47ED%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 21/2/08 2:02 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Luis wrote:
> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
>> 
>> Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
>> from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
>> Windows side of things.
> 
> Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be fine.
> But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an action (OS
> X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss something?

I couldn't find it either (10.4.11 here as well) and Preview isn't
applescriptable so you might have to resort to scripting Adobe Reader
(ugly?)

Terry...



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 20 22:36:20 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:36:20 -0600
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <C3E227D7.4D82%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3E227D7.4D82%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <47BCF1B4.40209@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:
> On 2/20/08 4:59 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
>>> there is another list to post on
>>> And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?
>> Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.
> Well that's why on third thought I apologized :-)

All we need is a fourth and we can play bridge. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Wed Feb 20 23:32:26 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:32:26 -0500
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <C3E33772.47ED%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C3E33772.47ED%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <124E3E6B-FE68-4E32-8D34-85F7164AC30B@comcast.net>

In Automator 2.0.1(156) there is a whole section for PDFs. The one in  
question is "Extract PDF Text"

I am using 10.5.2

Which makes me ask if it is possible to create an automator in 10.5  
and use it in 10.4 ???
I never tried this before. Tell me what you want and maybe we can try  
it.

Tom


On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> On 21/2/08 2:02 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Luis wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
>>>
>>> Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
>>> from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
>>> Windows side of things.
>>
>> Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be fine.
>> But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an action  
>> (OS
>> X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss something?
>
> I couldn't find it either (10.4.11 here as well) and Preview isn't
> applescriptable so you might have to resort to scripting Adobe Reader
> (ugly?)
>
> Terry...
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 21 00:36:21 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:36:21 -0600
Subject: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802201459y61b78b6m164766dca736d72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802201244q477e83e2r456d2fbe815d4bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9272.5010905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201303iaf5666em296603491aa17099@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BC9D08.4000905@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201348n44f3df06k8d5b268cf0911e33@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BCA40B.2090700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802201442g4f7531bev4483a2874c4e49fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802201459y61b78b6m164766dca736d72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802202136o28b3806ew5c5279d7d33efb2f@mail.gmail.com>

Spent some time with Andre this evening, and he sent me the 2.9 dp3 Linux
engine, which also didn't work. Then he looked at the top of my CGI script
and saw this:

#!revolution

and he changed it to this:

#!revolution -ui

and everything worked. Evidently the -ui switch means "run without graphics
interface" and is necessary when using the current versions of the rev
engine (Linux).

HTH, Chipp


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 01:12:15 2008
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:12:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <623566.59884.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
> 
> -- 
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>  

Hi Richard et al,

Extracting text from a PDF file is possible, and can
indeed be done via scripting, though not for all files
until you've climbed the decompression, decryption and
decoding mountains.
But that's actually just the start of it: PDF is just
about the worst text file format in history. Even
after stripping out the intermingled styling and
positioning instructions, you're left with a bunch of
strings which may not necessarily be in the correct
order.
The applications that are out there to convert PDF to
Word files, have a lot in common with Optical
Character Recognition (OCR) applications, which
attempt to convert scanned images to text, in that
they apply algorithms to "collate" the pieces of text
into a collection of words and paragraphs.
Heck, even Adobe Reader, Apple Preview and other PDF
viewers have to "best-guess" what text makes up a
sentence when you use the text selection tool.
Granted, a good number of files can be read
sequentially and churn out the strings in a reasonably
effective order - but all bets are off if you takea
random document that came out of graphically-oriented
tools where people play around with layers and filter
effects.

Sorry to disappoint you,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb 21 01:19:34 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:19:34 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802202219q3025facfpeb42b5e1e6ba8549@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to
send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail
application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails
in one line of code.

Andre

On 2/20/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>
>  1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253
>  or something else?
>
>  2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other
>  language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on
>  another server?
>
>  Thanks.
>
> Richard Miller
>
>
>
>
>  On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
>  >
>  > On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  >
>  >> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've
>  >> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>  >
>  > I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close
>  > out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around
>  > 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.
>  > Gotta love FIOS!
>  >
>  >
>  > Mark Talluto
>  > --
>  > CANELA Software
>  > http://www.canelasoftware.com
>  >
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From rmicout at online.fr  Thu Feb 21 02:58:23 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:58:23 +0100
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand and Rev 2.9
Message-ID: <512D8C85-3007-4226-99E5-9F9B66191DE3@online.fr>

Hello,
Is PlayCommand (Shakobox) run with Rev 2.9 ?
Thank you
Ren?

From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 03:10:59 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:10:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: b4 - Where's Mine ?
Message-ID: <375886.68361.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's funny; having been running b3 through the gamut
of tests I dreamed up; I haven't been sent b4.

Very Queer Indeed.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Feb 21 03:45:21 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:45:21 +0000
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BCE9B5.5070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BCE9B5.5070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E1E445CE-ED49-403D-B79F-2DE18CC6647A@anachreon.co.uk>

Yes, just checked now on 10.4.11 and it's not there, looks like it's  
a 10.5 thing! Ooop!

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 Feb 2008, at 03:02, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Luis wrote:
>
> > Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
> >
> > Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
> > from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
> > Windows side of things.
>
> Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be  
> fine. But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an  
> action (OS X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss  
> something?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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> subscription preferences:
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From runrevron at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 04:18:03 2008
From: runrevron at gmail.com (ron barber)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:18:03 +0900
Subject: Menu accelerators problem
Message-ID: <5825034a0802210118x32526cf2o14f5d7a2a424af11@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
Background: A couple of months ago I asked about handling multiple menubars
in a multi lingual application. I received several helpful replies and after
finding time to implement the suggestions, saved lots of space and greatly
simplified the menu handling procedure in my app. It is much easier to
maintain one main menupick handler than 10 or more of the same thing.

Problem: However, now I am losing the menuaccelators. For example: the
Japanese menuitem "Find" is the "Edit" menu's 5th item, the same as the
English and Korean, the only difference is the spelling. The selectedline of
the target is captured in the main (and now only) menupick handler. This
works well. When the accelerator is used however, the selectedline returns
1, not 5. So all accelerators return 1 for a given menu.

My Solution: So far, I have chosen to get the name or label of the target
and with this I can tell which menuitem was chosen. This seems to defeat
part of the advantage of the advice I was given to ignore the specific names
of the item and take advantage of the fact that they occupy the same line in
the menu. Is there a way to get the accelerator key? Is there a better way
to respond to the accelerator than what I am doing?

Help?

Thanks
Ron


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 04:40:20 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:40:20 +0900
Subject: handling Japanese (UTF-8?) text with Rev, CGI, & MySQL
Message-ID: <00b901c8746d$c78441d0$0401a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Hello List,

I have a Rev stack that connects to a MySQL database 
by calling a Rev-cgi script. The stack is running locally, 
while the cgi-script and the database are on my wehhost's 
server.

Everything works fine except for the displaying in a text-field
of the downloaded data. The English text arrives fine, but the 
Japanese text appears as one question mark per character.

I'm including below what I think is the relecant information, 
namely, the MySQL table structure, the Rev-CGI script, 
and the stack-script.

Any ideas how to handle the Japanese text so that it'll appear 
correctly? I've already tried a combination of collations (UTF-8,
and shift-jis), "Content-Type", "charset=", and Rev unicode 
decoding/encoding/HTMLtext commands, but I can't seem to 
hit upon the right mix.

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto



-- THE MySQL TABLE --

 The table's collation (character encoding?) is latin1_general_ci,
 but the collation of the Japanese field is sjis_japanese_ci.





-- THE CGI SCRIPT

#!revolution
on startup
put revOpenDatabase("mysql","url.com","dbname","user","pwd")into  
connid
put "SELECT * FROM `table`" into sql
put revDataFromQuery(,,connid,sql) into vResults
put vResults & return & the seconds after buffer
put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
put "Content-Length:" && the length of buffer & cr & cr
put buffer
end startup




-- THE STACK SCRIPT

on mouseUp
 put field "fURL" into tURL
 get url tURL
 put it into field "fResult"
end mouseUp





From wow at together.net  Thu Feb 21 05:44:50 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:44:50 -0500
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802202219q3025facfpeb42b5e1e6ba8549@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10802202219q3025facfpeb42b5e1e6ba8549@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3F14BA-8C3E-475F-8438-D1B388A5F4DE@together.net>

Andre,

I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require  
an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email?

Thanks.
Richard


On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Richard,
>
> you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to
> send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail
> application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails
> in one line of code.
>
> Andre
>
> On 2/20/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>>
>>  1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253
>>  or something else?
>>
>>  2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other
>>  language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on
>>  another server?
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>> Richard Miller
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>
>>>> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've
>>>> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>>>
>>> I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close
>>> out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around
>>> 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.
>>> Gotta love FIOS!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Talluto
>>> --
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>>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 21 05:48:30 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:48:30 -0600
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you who don't know, Rev On Rockets is a set of libraries, and a
workflow created by Andre Garzia for implementing Rev CGI quickly and easily
on servers. It's free.

So, why would anyone want to use it? Well, before I get into the various
uses for RevCGI, I'd like to tell why I'm so excited about it.

Here at Altuit, we use Hemingway (our Rev based Content Management System)
to create lots of small to medium sized business websites. Many times, a
customer has a requirement for visitors to access a small database, be it a
catalog, or a 'find the nearest retailer to you' or even a custom guestbook.
Some of these can be handled with inventive client-side javascript, other
with PHP and a flatfile (text) database. But, many require I turn around in
my seat and say, "Chris, Tag. You're it....we need to create a MySQL,
SQLServer, Postgres server schema and database and access it using Rev." Of
course, this isn't a problem as Chris is a world-class developer (he wrote
altBrowser and altSQLite), who just happens to sit in the chair behind me in
our 2 man office, and he knows Rev as well.

But, for smaller projects, I just want to be able to give Chris a break, and
create the whole thing myself. Of course, I can always take time to learn
all about MySQL, and database connectors, and the SQL language. I painfully
have at times, but it is infrequent, and I find it difficult to stay sharp
in languages like Python, VBscript, Javascript, and PHP when I haven't used
them in months. So, I've decided to learn as much as I can about RevCGI, so
I can program my own smallish databases as stacks and cgi scripts.

And it works. I've been at it for a couple of days now, and thanks to Andre
and Rev On Rockets, I have a simple web app working. And I've finally
*grokked* the whole thing-- or at least a big chunk of it. So, what's it
good for?

Well for starters, as I mentioned, you can create very efficient and quick
databases which can be accessed from the web. Things like catalogs, store
locators, feedback databases, are fairly straightforward and simple. Using
some of Andre's libraries, you can easily send email, so you could create a
software registration database stack, which gets called from PayPal after
someone purchases your product, and it automatically emails the regcode.
Using some of the built-in Linux commands, you can even create thumbnails
from images, and create online picture databases. All using Rev On Rockets.

Not to mention, if you don't have your own Chris to do the heavy lifting,
you may just find Rev On Rockets can do some of *THAT* for you, too.

So-- What is Rev On Rockets? Well if you've ever heard of Ruby on Rails--
IT'S NOT THAT! Ruby on Rails creates scaffolding for web applications. Rev
On Rockets doesn't do all of that.

It turns out Rev On Rockets is much simpler. In fact, at it's simplest, it's
a collection of half-a-dozen libraries which you can choose to use-- or not
to-- on a given project. And frankly, there are only 2 real libraries you'll
use for most stuff-- one of them being an 'in-browser' debugger-. Sorta like
Rev's debugger, but displays in your browser telling you which line is
stuck. The other being a beefed-up version of Monte's and Rodney's libCGI.

I have to mention one other fantastic part of Rev On Rockets, and tell you
about this grand plan Andre and I have to help you learn about it. I'll do
that in the next post!

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 21 06:01:27 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:01:27 -0600
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>

Part II

So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes with it's
own webserver, which runs locally, and is ENTIRELY REV BASED. So, you can
edit and debug your RevCGI right in Rev without even being connected to the
Internet. This is an extreme ease-of-use workflow addition to the labored
process of write code, upload, test in browser, then try and figure out why
it didn't work-- which is the most DIFFICULT part of RevCGI. Andre's
webserver has some very advanced debugging features as well, so it's much
easier to 'get it right.'

To say it another way, Andre's really done quite well in integrating all of
this, and those of you who know him, know he writes really good code.

And, with a few modifications to MagicCarpet, I've been able to streamline
workflow outside of Andre's local webserver.

One of the issues with ROR, is it's not documented well-- and is a bit hard
to pickup without a bit of handholding. In fact, I've spent hours on the
phone and screensharing with Andre just to get caught up on all the neat
stuff his libraries do. We've created several examples together, and after
our sessions, I end up more and more impressed with ROR.

So, I thought if others were interested, I'd create a tutorial series to
help developers learn how to use ROR and RevCGI. There are of course some
very good RevCGI beginner tutorials, but I'm hoping these would go farther,
and show a bit more advanced techniques...like putting file locking on a
stack so that 2 people don't try to write to it at once. Or, uploading
images and files via HTTP and not FTP using POST.

So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!

-Chipp


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Feb 21 06:03:57 2008
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:03:57 +0000
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BC6959.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<47BC6959.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <302CEA4B-F1AC-42DD-AB31-D3FE40A131F6@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 20 Feb 2008, at 17:54, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>> My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you  
>> can attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the  
>> engine is named "rev", then what happens when you request the url  
>> "http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev"
>
> I get an "internal server error" and nothing happens.
>
>> Will Apache try to start the engine?
>
> Doesn't look like it, or if it does, it won't work. I think that's  
> what Scott Raney was saying. The only vulnerabilities the engine  
> allows are the ones you write into your scripts yourself.

Sorry to prolong this, Jacque. The "internal server error" is  
returned by Apache, and only indicates that things "didn't work", but  
not necessarily that nothing happened. I tried calling this URL:

http://localhost/cgi-bin/revolution?12345

I get the "500 internal server error", but in the Apache error log I  
see this:

revolution: Can't load stack or script 12345
[Thu Feb 21 10:41:45 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end  
of script headers: /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revolution

Which suggests revolution started and "tried" to do something. That  
it fails (even when 12345 is substituted with a real stack) is  
reassuring. But then I wonder that the failure may be due to this  
being the Darwin engine and it never opens regular stacks. And Chipp  
confirmed that the Linux engine will open stacks from a script, and  
so I wonder if it might open stacks from a passed parameter. So  
instead of losing sleep, I just put the engine outside the cgi-bin  
folder.

Dave


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 06:05:21 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:05:21 +1000
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802210305u13d922fdjf5e01ed8ac26f969@mail.gmail.com>

>  So, I thought if others were interested, I'd create a tutorial series to
>  help developers learn how to use ROR and RevCGI. There are of course some
>  very good RevCGI beginner tutorials, but I'm hoping these would go farther,
>  and show a bit more advanced techniques...like putting file locking on a
>  stack so that 2 people don't try to write to it at once. Or, uploading
>  images and files via HTTP and not FTP using POST.
>
>  So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
>  there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!

Count me in as very interested. I have dabbled in Rev CGI and looked
at Andre's ROR package, but not really got any further than in the
last Rev newsletter. Please Chipp & Andre, it would be terrific to
have some more info on this.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Feb 21 06:12:28 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:12:28 +0100
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <855F2789-68EF-4381-B9B8-46D35401EC46@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know



Please, please do.


sims
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Feb 21 06:20:18 2008
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:20:18 -0800
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C763F40C-610A-4C49-A626-276CCA2B4722@qldlearning.com>

Chipp,

I'd love to see this project continue to move forward in all aspects.  
Years ago (in the "MetaCard" and Scott Raney days) I wrote a MetaCard- 
based web / application server for a project I was working on. It was  
a lot of fun being able to implement it in MetaTalk (Transcript), but  
unfortunately the code is now buried in a dead, private project. I  
wished at the time that it could have grown into something like Rev  
on Rockets -- which now has gone several steps further.

In any case, I can't claim to have an immediate use for it, but it's  
something that I would be happy to contribute to or simply cheer from  
the sidelines, whether it be code samples, actual code contributions,  
whatever.

Perhaps if enough people chime in here, it would be worth organizing  
a chat to discuss useful applications, feature requests, etc.

Kudos to Andre, and good to see you involved as well!

- Brian




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Feb 21 06:20:38 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:20:38 +0200
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BD5E86.8020505@ekoinf.net>

Me too is interested. Would it be possible to additionally have a 
documentation of handlers and functions and what they do and how do you 
use them :-). Or anything like Rev IDE dictionary with documented 
functions, handlers and properties?

All the best!
Viktoras

Chipp Walters wrote:
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!
>
> -Chipp
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Feb 21 06:29:07 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:29:07 +0100
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2958505-2D4C-44DA-954A-04AE95650B25@major-k.de>

Hola Chipp,

> Part II
>
> So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes  
> with it's
> ...
>
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know!
>
> -Chipp

Yo, count me in!


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Feb 21 06:41:11 2008
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:41:11 +0100
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BD6356.17CCA570@club-internet.fr>



Chipp,

>
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!

of course I am interested, although I've got accustomed to my own Revcgi
development tools I've developped over the years...
I've heard of ROR but never found the time to take a close look at it, and
therefore have a question : does it include fast cgi or just "regular" Rev cgi
stuff (1 instance of Rev cgi launched every time a request reaches the server),
and which platforms does it support ?

thanks,
JB



From p.williams at alkazar.net  Thu Feb 21 06:40:23 2008
From: p.williams at alkazar.net (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:40:23 -0000
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BD6327.4553.25B525BF@p.williams.alkazar.net>

Yes please

paul


From wow at together.net  Thu Feb 21 06:44:25 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:44:25 -0500
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <47BD6327.4553.25B525BF@p.williams.alkazar.net>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BD6327.4553.25B525BF@p.williams.alkazar.net>
Message-ID: <A041925E-F06A-4881-8F55-8878263F4AA7@together.net>

This would be quite helpful. Thanks.

Richard Miller


On Feb 21, 2008, at 6:40 AM, Paul Williams wrote:

> Yes please
>
> paul
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 21 06:45:46 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:45:46 +0100
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B13C7E80-0B88-467B-966C-A975A63705BE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Chipp and Andre,

Le 21 f?vr. 08 ? 12:01, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know!

Rev cgis have always been a kind of mystery to me ;-)
So, even if I don't need them at the moment, I'm sure I'll find all  
of a sudden many amazing implementations with both of you as my mentors.
Thanks for sharing your work and knowledge.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 21 07:09:55 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:09:55 +0100
Subject: Re-2: Problem with characters/special characters in XML
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000002360002E959@192.168.168.3>
References: <DIIE.000002360002E959@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <E45D927B-749D-4092-ABDC-0563D13B91AB@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Matthias,

Before you write the data to a file, do this:

put uniEncode(yourData,"UTF8") into yourData

This uni-encodes the entire XML file. You might try this with UTF16  
as well, but that shouldn't be necessary. Let me know whether this  
works.

Do you create an XML file with your own custom-made script or do you  
use Revolution's XML external?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 21-feb-2008, om 1:16 heeft runrev260805 at m-r-d.de het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi Mark,
>
> i don?t know how to do that.
>
> Could you give me an example?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Feb 21 07:12:02 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:12:02 +0000
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41B696DC-9339-4509-AF2E-4C1FE0C59C50@anachreon.co.uk>

Sounds like a good job for ScreenSteps... ;)

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 Feb 2008, at 11:01, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Part II
>
> So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes  
> with it's
> own webserver, which runs locally, and is ENTIRELY REV BASED. So,  
> you can
> edit and debug your RevCGI right in Rev without even being  
> connected to the
> Internet. This is an extreme ease-of-use workflow addition to the  
> labored
> process of write code, upload, test in browser, then try and figure  
> out why
> it didn't work-- which is the most DIFFICULT part of RevCGI. Andre's
> webserver has some very advanced debugging features as well, so  
> it's much
> easier to 'get it right.'
>
> To say it another way, Andre's really done quite well in  
> integrating all of
> this, and those of you who know him, know he writes really good code.
>
> And, with a few modifications to MagicCarpet, I've been able to  
> streamline
> workflow outside of Andre's local webserver.
>
> One of the issues with ROR, is it's not documented well-- and is a  
> bit hard
> to pickup without a bit of handholding. In fact, I've spent hours  
> on the
> phone and screensharing with Andre just to get caught up on all the  
> neat
> stuff his libraries do. We've created several examples together,  
> and after
> our sessions, I end up more and more impressed with ROR.
>
> So, I thought if others were interested, I'd create a tutorial  
> series to
> help developers learn how to use ROR and RevCGI. There are of  
> course some
> very good RevCGI beginner tutorials, but I'm hoping these would go  
> farther,
> and show a bit more advanced techniques...like putting file locking  
> on a
> stack so that 2 people don't try to write to it at once. Or, uploading
> images and files via HTTP and not FTP using POST.
>
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know!
>
> -Chipp
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Feb 21 07:22:25 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:22:25 -0600
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BD6D01.7070304@crcom.net>

Count me in!

Len Morgan




From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 07:22:47 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:22:47 +0900
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
Message-ID: <00c901c87484$793a5430$0401a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

>  So, if you're
> interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. 

Yes, please.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Feb 21 08:31:00 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:31:00 -0600
Subject: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty
In-Reply-To: <fpibce$cnb$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <47BC83F8.8040808@fourthworld.com> <fpibce$cnb$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <47BD7D14.4090703@crcom.net>

Just in case you want to hear more of George, you can visit his site at 
georgebancroft.net.  I've posted some of the new stuff we are working on 
for the 2nd CD (full band this time).

Don't mean to advertise here but while we were on the subject of music....

len




From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu  Thu Feb 21 08:42:19 2008
From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:42:19 -0600
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5d1a4b529c2.47bd2b5b@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>

Chipp:

I would really appreciate the tutorials. 

Jim

-------------------------------------
James C. Wall, PhD
Professor
Department of Physical Therapy
University of South Alabama
1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214
Mobile AL 36604
Phone:  (251) 434 3575
  Fax:  (251) 434 3822

----- Original Message -----
From: Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com>
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:01 am
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>


> Part II
>  
>  So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes 
> with it's
>  own webserver, which runs locally, and is ENTIRELY REV BASED. So, you 
> can
>  edit and debug your RevCGI right in Rev without even being connected 
> to the
>  Internet. This is an extreme ease-of-use workflow addition to the labored
>  process of write code, upload, test in browser, then try and figure 
> out why
>  it didn't work-- which is the most DIFFICULT part of RevCGI. Andre's
>  webserver has some very advanced debugging features as well, so it's 
> much
>  easier to 'get it right.'
>  
>  To say it another way, Andre's really done quite well in integrating 
> all of
>  this, and those of you who know him, know he writes really good code.
>  
>  And, with a few modifications to MagicCarpet, I've been able to streamline
>  workflow outside of Andre's local webserver.
>  
>  One of the issues with ROR, is it's not documented well-- and is a 
> bit hard
>  to pickup without a bit of handholding. In fact, I've spent hours on 
> the
>  phone and screensharing with Andre just to get caught up on all the neat
>  stuff his libraries do. We've created several examples together, and 
> after
>  our sessions, I end up more and more impressed with ROR.
>  
>  So, I thought if others were interested, I'd create a tutorial series 
> to
>  help developers learn how to use ROR and RevCGI. There are of course 
> some
>  very good RevCGI beginner tutorials, but I'm hoping these would go farther,
>  and show a bit more advanced techniques...like putting file locking 
> on a
>  stack so that 2 people don't try to write to it at once. Or, uploading
>  images and files via HTTP and not FTP using POST.
>  
>  So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond 
> here. If
>  there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let 
> us know!
>  
>  -Chipp
>  _______________________________________________
>  use-revolution mailing list
>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
>   


From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu Feb 21 08:45:07 2008
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:45:07 +0000
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BD8063.7030909@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!
> 
> -Chipp

Yup, I've always been curious about it and a hand-holding intro sounds a
great idea to me.

Martin Baxter

-- 
I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN


From Mark at Rauterkus.com  Thu Feb 21 08:54:40 2008
From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:54:40 -0500
Subject: Chipp -- perhaps the Rev On Rockets tutorials could be done on the
	wiki?
Message-ID: <322253fe0802210554m68b7cb29s159eccbb4bc9751d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chipp,

Yes, --- I would LOVE to soak up the tutorials about REV on the web.

Perhaps it would make sense to put up the early editions of the
tutorials on the unofficial WIKI that is deveoted to Rev.  ????

Just an idea. The wiki is a good tool for being 'quick' -- and it
allows for others (newbies) to log in and to flag what may be still
undocumented and confusing.



Ta.


Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com
http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com
http://Elect.Rauterkus.com
412 298 3432 = cell


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Feb 21 09:51:11 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:51:11 -0500
Subject: handling Japanese (UTF-8?) text with Rev, CGI, & MySQL
In-Reply-To: <00b901c8746d$c78441d0$0401a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <00b901c8746d$c78441d0$0401a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <CCAF5B3D-1CF4-4AC4-8893-197C3E19FCDE@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 21, 2008, at 4:40 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Everything works fine except for the displaying in a text-field
> of the downloaded data. The English text arrives fine, but the
> Japanese text appears as one question mark per character.
>
> I'm including below what I think is the relecant information,
> namely, the MySQL table structure, the Rev-CGI script,
> and the stack-script.
>
> Any ideas how to handle the Japanese text so that it'll appear
> correctly? I've already tried a combination of collations (UTF-8,
> and shift-jis), "Content-Type", "charset=", and Rev unicode
> decoding/encoding/HTMLtext commands, but I can't seem to
> hit upon the right mix.

If your Japanese text is encoded with shift-jis then try converting  
the text from shift-jis to unicode and then setting the unicodeText of  
the field. Maybe this will work:

on mouseUp
     put field "fURL" into tURL
     get url tURL
     get uniencode(it, "Japanese")
     set the unicodetext of field "fResult" to it
end mouseUp

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Feb 21 10:14:27 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:14:27 -0500
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <41B696DC-9339-4509-AF2E-4C1FE0C59C50@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<41B696DC-9339-4509-AF2E-4C1FE0C59C50@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <38EE65A4-4A9A-4BE8-8E26-4F2D1ED445FE@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Luis wrote:

> Sounds like a good job for ScreenSteps... ;)

You rang? :-) I actually have started experimenting with creating  
short tutorials on performing small tasks in Revolution using  
ScreenSteps and ScreenSteps Live. I wanted to post some more lessons  
before I announced it but there is a small sampling you can take a  
look at:

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/lessons>

I think there is definitely a place for little tutorials like this. I  
do wish there was a better way to embed code samples in ScreenSteps  
but that is something we will tackle another day.

If Chipp or Andre see any value in using ScreenSteps and ScreenSteps  
Live for certain aspects of their documentation project I could setup  
an account for them. Just contact me off-list.

Internally we have found that we get a lot more documentation out when  
a) we don't have to carve out a lot of time to create a lesson and b)  
we can instantly publish the lesson for public consumption. The SS/SS  
Live combo has worked well for us in that regard.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Thu Feb 21 10:24:44 2008
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:24:44 -0400
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <855F2789-68EF-4381-B9B8-46D35401EC46@ezpzapps.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<855F2789-68EF-4381-B9B8-46D35401EC46@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <B98E50AD-8DD4-4B07-816F-37C2826EB369@oyfconsulting.com>

Count me in as well...  Jim

On 21-Feb-08, at 7:12 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

>
> On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
>> here. If
>> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just  
>> let us know
>
>
>
> Please, please do.
>
>
> sims
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
>
>
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From andres at bakno.com  Thu Feb 21 10:31:58 2008
From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:31:58 -0500
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A308D86-E68B-4D3E-BA72-FD4C98168533@bakno.com>

I'm interested also.

Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Feb 21, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Part II
>
> So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes  
> with it's
> own webserver, which runs locally, and is ENTIRELY REV BASED. So,  
> you can
> edit and debug your RevCGI right in Rev without even being connected  
> to the
> Internet. This is an extreme ease-of-use workflow addition to the  
> labored
> process of write code, upload, test in browser, then try and figure  
> out why
> it didn't work-- which is the most DIFFICULT part of RevCGI. Andre's
> webserver has some very advanced debugging features as well, so it's  
> much
> easier to 'get it right.'
>
> To say it another way, Andre's really done quite well in integrating  
> all of
> this, and those of you who know him, know he writes really good code.
>
> And, with a few modifications to MagicCarpet, I've been able to  
> streamline
> workflow outside of Andre's local webserver.
>
> One of the issues with ROR, is it's not documented well-- and is a  
> bit hard
> to pickup without a bit of handholding. In fact, I've spent hours on  
> the
> phone and screensharing with Andre just to get caught up on all the  
> neat
> stuff his libraries do. We've created several examples together, and  
> after
> our sessions, I end up more and more impressed with ROR.
>
> So, I thought if others were interested, I'd create a tutorial  
> series to
> help developers learn how to use ROR and RevCGI. There are of course  
> some
> very good RevCGI beginner tutorials, but I'm hoping these would go  
> farther,
> and show a bit more advanced techniques...like putting file locking  
> on a
> stack so that 2 people don't try to write to it at once. Or, uploading
> images and files via HTTP and not FTP using POST.
>
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know!
>
> -Chipp
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb 21 10:32:24 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:32:24 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <4B3F14BA-8C3E-475F-8438-D1B388A5F4DE@together.net>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10802202219q3025facfpeb42b5e1e6ba8549@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3F14BA-8C3E-475F-8438-D1B388A5F4DE@together.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802210732p7c27a732wcc0e2a319ce243f8@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

RocketsSendmail is just a wrapper for the popular Sendmail unix tool
that is bundled with every linux under the sun. In the end, you're
calling the sendmail command line tool and that tool is sending the
email.

It does not rely on relays or other hacks, sendmail is the *official*
way to send emails from a hosted account usually.

You'll need to change the path to sendmail though.

andre

On 2/21/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
> Andre,
>
>  I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require
>  an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email?
>
>  Thanks.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>  On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  > Richard,
>  >
>  > you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to
>  > send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail
>  > application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails
>  > in one line of code.
>  >
>  > Andre
>  >
>  > On 2/20/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>  >> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>  >>
>  >>  1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253
>  >>  or something else?
>  >>
>  >>  2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other
>  >>  language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on
>  >>  another server?
>  >>
>  >>  Thanks.
>  >>
>  >> Richard Miller
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've
>  >>>> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>  >>>
>  >>> I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close
>  >>> out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around
>  >>> 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.
>  >>> Gotta love FIOS!
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Mark Talluto
>  >>> --
>  >>> CANELA Software
>  >>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>  >>>
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>  >>
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>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  > --
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Feb 21 11:00:13 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:00:13 -0800
Subject: upgrade pricing
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802201814hbec507cxf77cac3ef4d70c6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19C7CBBC-C4BA-41D5-AEE1-84B7FC908022@rcn.com>
	<f73a98160802201814hbec507cxf77cac3ef4d70c6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <036801c874a2$d81ca8e0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> ?149 applies if your 1 year license has expired. I take 
> 'recently bought'
> meaning less than a year so you're entitled to an 'Early Update Pack':
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_early_update
> 
> which is ?99.

What you get stacks onto what you have - there's a benefit to keeping your
license up to date.

You will see some variation among what's offered on the Runtime site,
authorized resellers or Mirye online store. It is inevitable with exchange
rates and that some will offer some deals while others won't or can't. For
example, the icon pack bundle is being offered through all resellers
including Content Paradise and Renderosity, but some just do not have the
ability to easily apply other kinds of offers.

Its always a good idea to shop around. Don?t be afraid to also ask your
local reseller. It is through requests to purchase that resellers get turned
on to offering development tools.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com



From wow at together.net  Thu Feb 21 11:07:10 2008
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:07:10 -0500
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802210732p7c27a732wcc0e2a319ce243f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10802202219q3025facfpeb42b5e1e6ba8549@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3F14BA-8C3E-475F-8438-D1B388A5F4DE@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10802210732p7c27a732wcc0e2a319ce243f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D0B1E82-80DE-4799-A71B-F39E103D6367@together.net>

Andre,

OK. Well, perhaps that's where I'm running into a problem.

I'm running my Rev cgi program on a dedicated MacMini server. It's  
simply a MacMini sitting in some server farm somewhere, so it's not a  
"hosted" account, in the traditional sense. Should I still be able to  
use sendmail?

Thanks.
Richard


On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Richard,
>
> RocketsSendmail is just a wrapper for the popular Sendmail unix tool
> that is bundled with every linux under the sun. In the end, you're
> calling the sendmail command line tool and that tool is sending the
> email.
>
> It does not rely on relays or other hacks, sendmail is the *official*
> way to send emails from a hosted account usually.
>
> You'll need to change the path to sendmail though.
>
> andre
>
> On 2/21/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>> Andre,
>>
>>  I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require
>>  an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email?
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to
>>> send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail
>>> application in there, but after that you should be able to send  
>>> emails
>>> in one line of code.
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> On 2/20/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>>>> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>>>>
>>>>  1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With  
>>>> libsmtp253
>>>>  or something else?
>>>>
>>>>  2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other
>>>>  language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on
>>>>  another server?
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've
>>>>>> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close
>>>>> out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around
>>>>> 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.
>>>>> Gotta love FIOS!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Talluto
>>>>> --
>>>>> CANELA Software
>>>>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>>>>>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Feb 21 11:13:55 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:13:55 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <2D0B1E82-80DE-4799-A71B-F39E103D6367@together.net>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10802202219q3025facfpeb42b5e1e6ba8549@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3F14BA-8C3E-475F-8438-D1B388A5F4DE@together.net>
	<7c87a2a10802210732p7c27a732wcc0e2a319ce243f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D0B1E82-80DE-4799-A71B-F39E103D6367@together.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802210813i4e91c017kc6119a54aba6c2ed@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

You're lucky, RocketsSendmail supports only two operating systems -
Linux & Mac OS X - so you're good to go. On MacOS X, RocketsSendmail
will use command line mail command.

(Mac OS X includes sendmail but mail command line tool works better)

Cheers
andre

On 2/21/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
> Andre,
>
>  OK. Well, perhaps that's where I'm running into a problem.
>
>  I'm running my Rev cgi program on a dedicated MacMini server. It's
>  simply a MacMini sitting in some server farm somewhere, so it's not a
>  "hosted" account, in the traditional sense. Should I still be able to
>  use sendmail?
>
>  Thanks.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>  On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  > Richard,
>  >
>  > RocketsSendmail is just a wrapper for the popular Sendmail unix tool
>  > that is bundled with every linux under the sun. In the end, you're
>  > calling the sendmail command line tool and that tool is sending the
>  > email.
>  >
>  > It does not rely on relays or other hacks, sendmail is the *official*
>  > way to send emails from a hosted account usually.
>  >
>  > You'll need to change the path to sendmail though.
>  >
>  > andre
>  >
>  > On 2/21/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>  >> Andre,
>  >>
>  >>  I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require
>  >>  an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email?
>  >>
>  >>  Thanks.
>  >>
>  >> Richard
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Richard,
>  >>>
>  >>> you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to
>  >>> send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail
>  >>> application in there, but after that you should be able to send
>  >>> emails
>  >>> in one line of code.
>  >>>
>  >>> Andre
>  >>>
>  >>> On 2/20/08, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>  >>>> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With
>  >>>> libsmtp253
>  >>>>  or something else?
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other
>  >>>>  language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on
>  >>>>  another server?
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  Thanks.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Richard Miller
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've
>  >>>>>> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close
>  >>>>> out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around
>  >>>>> 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.
>  >>>>> Gotta love FIOS!
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Mark Talluto
>  >>>>> --
>  >>>>> CANELA Software
>  >>>>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>  >>>>> subscription preferences:
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>  >>>>
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>  >>>
>  >>>
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>  >
>  >
>  > --
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu Feb 21 11:19:05 2008
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:19:05 -0500
Subject: 2.9 b4
In-Reply-To: <47BCF1B4.40209@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C3E30EA9.4DB3%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/20/08 10:36 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>> On 2/20/08 4:59 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
>>>> there is another list to post on
>>>> And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?
>>> Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.
>> Well that's why on third thought I apologized :-)
> 
> All we need is a fourth and we can play bridge. :)

LOL



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 21 11:38:08 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:38:08 -0800
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240826c3e358d76731@[192.168.1.70]>

Andre and Chipp working on a project together! Sweet!

I have a lot of web tasks coming up and have been dreading using my 
old Golive library-PHP hack because it's hard to work with.

Tutorials would be fantastic.

sqb


>
>So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
>there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!
>
>-Chipp
>_______________________________________________

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From mikeythek at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 11:58:19 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:58:19 -0500
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <p06240826c3e358d76731@192.168.1.70>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240826c3e358d76731@192.168.1.70>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802210858x2f04c5ecv9258deffbebb44ae@mail.gmail.com>

yes.


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Thu Feb 21 13:08:57 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:08:57 -0500
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFC2F7FE-DE8B-4D5F-A011-5C6D19B08512@comcast.net>

Ok, you got me interested. I would love to learn about ROR.

Tom McGrath
On Feb 21, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Part II
>
>
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know!
>
> -Chipp
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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Thomas McGrath III
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Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM





From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 13:13:12 2008
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:13:12 -0500
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <20080221110532.SSIE1990.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@10.0.1.199>
References: <20080221110532.SSIE1990.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@10.0.1.199>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260802211013x222d5d81t6847d44ae00cf922@mail.gmail.com>

> Using some of Andre's libraries, you can easily send email, so you could
> create a
> software registration database stack, which gets called from PayPal after
> someone purchases your product, and it automatically emails the regcode.
> <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution>
>

I have just such a project coming up. I was loath to wait for two more
months for the rest of Andre's tutorials in the Rev newsletter, so
tutorials from you guys would be fantastic!

Please do lots!

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 21 13:13:34 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:13:34 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <302CEA4B-F1AC-42DD-AB31-D3FE40A131F6@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>	<06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>	<47BC6959.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<302CEA4B-F1AC-42DD-AB31-D3FE40A131F6@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47BDBF4E.8040705@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> Sorry to prolong this, Jacque.

Not at all. I think the discussion is valuable. I am fairly sure that 
Rev is more secure than some other CGI implementations but I'd like to 
know that for certain.

> The "internal server error" is returned 
> by Apache, and only indicates that things "didn't work", but not 
> necessarily that nothing happened. I tried calling this URL:
> 
> http://localhost/cgi-bin/revolution?12345
> 
> I get the "500 internal server error", but in the Apache error log I see 
> this:
> 
> revolution: Can't load stack or script 12345
> [Thu Feb 21 10:41:45 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of 
> script headers: /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revolution

Right, I saw the same thing. The important part, I think, is that you 
can't pass a parameter to the Rev engine unless there is a script on the 
server that can parse those parameters (at least, that's what I think. 
It's what I want to know for sure.) So, barring someone who physically 
accesses the server and puts in a spy script, I don't think Rev will 
work when passing parameters to the raw engine itself. But like I said, 
I'd like this verified because right now I'm just guessing.

> 
> Which suggests revolution started and "tried" to do something. That it 
> fails (even when 12345 is substituted with a real stack) is reassuring. 
> But then I wonder that the failure may be due to this being the Darwin 
> engine and it never opens regular stacks.

The Darwin engine opens stacks okay, I have several CGIs that open and 
use regular stacks. The key is that they are all opened by a CGI script, 
and the browser calls those scripts in the URL. I have not been able to 
get Rev to respond properly by just calling the engine alone from a 
browser, with or without parameters. But I'm not an expert, so I'd like 
to know if there is a way to do that. If there is, then that would be 
the weak point in the engine.

> And Chipp confirmed that the 
> Linux engine will open stacks from a script, and so I wonder if it might 
> open stacks from a passed parameter.

Chipp and I talked about that. I have an older engine on my site, which 
opens stacks fine with either the "library" or "start using" commands; 
it is only the "open" command that fails. Apparently this was changed in 
a later engine version, so that "open" also works (I should update the 
engine on my server, I guess.) But regardless, my scripts do open and 
use stacks on the server even with the older engine, in both Darwin and 
Linux environments. What I can't make Rev do is open a stack without 
having a CGI script in place to do that.

> So instead of losing sleep, I just 
> put the engine outside the cgi-bin folder.

I think this is a safe thing to do. Mainly I just want to verify, for my 
own curiosity, whether Rev is as secure as Scott Raney implied. So far I 
can't make it do anything it shouldn't -- but like I said, I'm no 'nix 
expert and I'd need some help crafting a URL that would do the deed. If 
anyone is willing to bang on the engine this way, I'd like to know what 
they find out.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From barryb at libero.it  Thu Feb 21 13:48:21 2008
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:48:21 +0100
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
Message-ID: <JWLQWL$E51E4F8096CC6FE207861611D38017E5@libero.it>


Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:01:27 -0600 Chipp Waters wrote:
>So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just >respond here. 


Definitely!
My hand's up!
Thank you both for the offer. Your posts, Chipp, were a great incentive for us all get a grip on what Andre has, so generously, already delivered.
Barry

>If there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. >Just let us know!
>-Chipp

  Give them a cheer folks!!!



From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 14:04:48 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
Message-ID: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi All,

I have a question about large data sets (thousands of lines) in a table
object and the slowing down of the UI performance, especially on resizing
the stack.

My application interfaces to an MS SQL 2000 database via ODBC. No problem
there.
The SQL table I have has over half a million records in it, and this grows
all the time.

Potentially, the user could return all records, which would take a while to
load them all.
But I've created the interface to allow the user to return a smaller record
set. This can be alot of records - 10, 30, 40, 50000 thousand or more, or
just a few hundred. It depends on how the user searches the database.

Now when large record sets are returned from a search, the UI (user
interface) slows down, especially when resizing the stack to see more
records in the table object. When resizing with no records, the UI is
performs normally with fast resizing.

Q: has any one seen this before? And if so, how do you handle the drop in UI
performance?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 14:12:20 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:12:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: md5
In-Reply-To: <CE85AC25-EB0F-4AB6-8A24-24A889A55977@maseurope.net>
References: <4197C975-01FF-4AA2-B57A-C7C429074C49@maseurope.net>
	<7D572DCB-3808-4481-B98D-57FCEE7A7764@derbrill.de>
	<CE85AC25-EB0F-4AB6-8A24-24A889A55977@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <15618684.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Mark,

This has been discussed before ;-)

In 2005, september 25
Mark Waddingham wrote,
in the message: 
put url some url into someVar...

Mark Schonewille was trying to do something very similar a while ago and
filed an enhancement request about being able to do md5 digests on large
files *without* them needing to be loaded. For interest see here:
 
  <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2410>

As suggested (by me) in the bug-report, you needn't take the md5digest
of the entire file at once and can do something like this instead:

function quasiMD5 pFile
  local tMD5s
  open file pFile for binary read
  repeat 
    read from file pFile for CHUNK_SIZE chars
    if the result is EOF then
      exit repeat
    end if
    put the md5digest of it after tMD5s
  end repeat
  close file pFile
  return the md5Digest of tMD5s
end quasiMD5

Where you can make CHUNK_SIZE some suitable size (perhaps 256k/512k).

[ My intuitive analysis of the impact of doing this on the integrity
(i.e. potential for collision) of the digest is that it will be minimal
- but perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this area could comment. ]

Hope this helps,

Mark Waddinham.


Well, i do not try this code myself, but i am sure that no md5digest command
line tool tries to load the whole Linux Installer image CD in memory to
verify
the file. Surely, they use an aproach similar to this suggested by Mark
Waddingham.
But there is only one thing to know for sure... What exact size are the
chunks to process?

alejandro



masmit wrote:
> 
> I need to get the md5 of potentially very large  
> files on disc. I'm hoping to avoid having to load them into memory in  
> order get the digest.
> 
> Mark
> 

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 21 14:14:14 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:14 +0000
Subject: Open Socket Question
Message-ID: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I have a number of applications that communicate with each other  
using TCP/IP Sockets. For a given application, I want to be able to  
connect it to a number of "server" applications, however the "server"  
apps make or may not be running, so what I want to be able to do is  
to issue an open socket to a "server" application and if the  
connection is made add it to a "connected" table and if not, carry on  
the to next server, but try to open the socket again at a later time.

I can't seem to be able to get my head around the code needed to do  
this!

Basically I have a Function that gets called with a list of the IP  
Addresses in the for - aa.bb.cc.dd:port and a ConnectionID, I want to  
be able to open a socket to each IP/Port with the specified  
ConnectionID . The function definition for this is as follows:

function StartClient theConnectToServerList,theConnectionID

theConnectToServerList is a list of the following

192.168.1.100:6000
192.168.1.100:6002
192.168.1.100:6004

etc.

Any ideas on how achieve this gracefully would be greatly appreciated!

All the Best
Dave





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 21 14:14:55 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:14:55 -0600
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand and Rev 2.9
In-Reply-To: <512D8C85-3007-4226-99E5-9F9B66191DE3@online.fr>
References: <512D8C85-3007-4226-99E5-9F9B66191DE3@online.fr>
Message-ID: <47BDCDAF.2080401@hyperactivesw.com>

Ren? Micout wrote:
> Hello,
> Is PlayCommand (Shakobox) run with Rev 2.9 ?

The playback works but the example stack seems to be broken. No messages 
are sent to the buttons, changes aren't recorded, and the tab button 
script is not triggered with a menupick. It is acting like the 
background group does not exist, or is disabled.

I'll submit the stack to bugzilla. For now, you can manually type "go 
card <number>" into the message box to go to the card you want to see. 
The Examples card still works and will play back the example songs normally.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Feb 21 14:18:36 2008
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:18:36 -0800
Subject: Valentina 2.5.8 Getting Started Information
Message-ID: <049701c874be$8f1f71b0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

If you participated in the Revolution SuperBundle or our 10th anniversary
special offer, Id like to direct your attention to a forum post on
miryesoftware.ning.com
(http://miryesoftware.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1985969%3ATopic%3A602)
and a Getting Started FAQ page
(http://www.mirye.com/index.php/Valentina-Database-System-FAQ/Valentina-2.5.
8-Classic:-Where-to-Start.html)

Yeah, big URLs - sorry :-)

Questions that come in on the forum will be answered and then the FAQ will
get updated.

If you havent gotten your code yet from the 10th Anniversary offer, don't
panic. Our associate marketing minion is going over the last list and
sending out codes - they should all be finished by Friday. If you don't have
yours by Sunday, go ahead and send us a note as it probably got hung up on a
spam filter someplace.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Feb 21 14:24:02 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:24:02 +0000
Subject: md5
In-Reply-To: <15618684.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4197C975-01FF-4AA2-B57A-C7C429074C49@maseurope.net>
	<7D572DCB-3808-4481-B98D-57FCEE7A7764@derbrill.de>
	<CE85AC25-EB0F-4AB6-8A24-24A889A55977@maseurope.net>
	<15618684.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D5C37206-B9D3-4634-BC1E-10CF30F438CE@maseurope.net>

Alejandro, I don't think the process described by Mark Waddingham  
will produce the same result as getting the digest of the whole file,  
no matter what chunk size you use. But I'm sure he's right that the  
result will produce very little chance of collision.

If your computer has openssl installed, you can us a shell call:

get shell("openssl md5" && pathToFile)

Best,

Mark


On 21 Feb 2008, at 19:12, capellan wrote:

>
> Hi Mark,
>
> This has been discussed before ;-)
>
> In 2005, september 25
> Mark Waddingham wrote,
> in the message:
> put url some url into someVar...
>
> Mark Schonewille was trying to do something very similar a while  
> ago and
> filed an enhancement request about being able to do md5 digests on  
> large
> files *without* them needing to be loaded. For interest see here:
>
>   <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2410>
>
> As suggested (by me) in the bug-report, you needn't take the md5digest
> of the entire file at once and can do something like this instead:
>
> function quasiMD5 pFile
>   local tMD5s
>   open file pFile for binary read
>   repeat
>     read from file pFile for CHUNK_SIZE chars
>     if the result is EOF then
>       exit repeat
>     end if
>     put the md5digest of it after tMD5s
>   end repeat
>   close file pFile
>   return the md5Digest of tMD5s
> end quasiMD5
>
> Where you can make CHUNK_SIZE some suitable size (perhaps 256k/512k).
>
> [ My intuitive analysis of the impact of doing this on the integrity
> (i.e. potential for collision) of the digest is that it will be  
> minimal
> - but perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this area could comment. ]
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mark Waddinham.
>
>
> Well, i do not try this code myself, but i am sure that no  
> md5digest command
> line tool tries to load the whole Linux Installer image CD in  
> memory to
> verify
> the file. Surely, they use an aproach similar to this suggested by  
> Mark
> Waddingham.
> But there is only one thing to know for sure... What exact size are  
> the
> chunks to process?
>
> alejandro
>
>
>
> masmit wrote:
>>
>> I need to get the md5 of potentially very large
>> files on disc. I'm hoping to avoid having to load them into memory in
>> order get the digest.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/md5- 
> tp15536091p15618684.html
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From rmicout at online.fr  Thu Feb 21 14:24:38 2008
From: rmicout at online.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:24:38 +0100
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand and Rev 2.9
In-Reply-To: <47BDCDAF.2080401@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <512D8C85-3007-4226-99E5-9F9B66191DE3@online.fr>
	<47BDCDAF.2080401@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <92C2FE05-6A7C-408D-B1BB-2ABBA85A8438@online.fr>

Thank you Jacqueline,
My question was about PlayCommand... Shakobox for precision...
If I have understand (understood ?) the PlayCommand work normally ?
Ren?

Le 21 f?vr. 08 ? 20:14, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Ren? Micout wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Is PlayCommand (Shakobox) run with Rev 2.9 ?
>
> The playback works but the example stack seems to be broken. No  
> messages are sent to the buttons, changes aren't recorded, and the  
> tab button script is not triggered with a menupick. It is acting  
> like the background group does not exist, or is disabled.
>
> I'll submit the stack to bugzilla. For now, you can manually type  
> "go card <number>" into the message box to go to the card you want  
> to see. The Examples card still works and will play back the  
> example songs normally.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 14:33:47 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:33:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Implementing rsync protocol and algorithms with RR apps
Message-ID: <15618701.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

(First, i wrote this message in 2005, so it?s worth repeating given
the actual interest about RR stacks on the internet.)

Have anyone given a try to implement 
rsync protocols and algorithms using 
only RR clients applications?

<http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/>
<http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/tech_report/>
<http://olstrans.sourceforge.net/release/OLS2000-rsync/OLS2000-rsync.html>

rsync allows to download only the parts
that had changed in a stack, instead of
the whole file.

It's composed of a server and a client.

The client sends the server a single string
of information about the local file.

This string is a series of digests of 
chunks of 1k of the local file.

When server receives this string, it
compares these digest with chunks of 1k
of the file in the server and then just
send back the parts that the client needs
to recreate the file from the server, in
the client's side.

Thanks in advance!

al
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From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Feb 21 14:37:48 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:37:48 +0000
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>

Mark, you might store the data from the database in a custom property  
of the table field, and only show as much data as will fit in the  
field at it's current size.

You'd have to write your own scrolling routines to update the  
display, but it can be done.

Best,

Mark

On 21 Feb 2008, at 19:04, mfstuart wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a question about large data sets (thousands of lines) in a  
> table
> object and the slowing down of the UI performance, especially on  
> resizing
> the stack.
>
> My application interfaces to an MS SQL 2000 database via ODBC. No  
> problem
> there.
> The SQL table I have has over half a million records in it, and  
> this grows
> all the time.
>
> Potentially, the user could return all records, which would take a  
> while to
> load them all.
> But I've created the interface to allow the user to return a  
> smaller record
> set. This can be alot of records - 10, 30, 40, 50000 thousand or  
> more, or
> just a few hundred. It depends on how the user searches the database.
>
> Now when large record sets are returned from a search, the UI (user
> interface) slows down, especially when resizing the stack to see more
> records in the table object. When resizing with no records, the UI is
> performs normally with fast resizing.
>
> Q: has any one seen this before? And if so, how do you handle the  
> drop in UI
> performance?
>
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UI-performance- 
> and-large-data-set-in-Table-Object-tp15618647p15618647.html
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 14:42:33 2008
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:42:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <340640.1349.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- mfstuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a question about large data sets (thousands
> of lines) in a table
> object and the slowing down of the UI performance,
> especially on resizing
> the stack.
> 
> My application interfaces to an MS SQL 2000 database
> via ODBC. No problem
> there.
> The SQL table I have has over half a million records
> in it, and this grows
> all the time.
> 
> Potentially, the user could return all records,
> which would take a while to
> load them all.
> But I've created the interface to allow the user to
> return a smaller record
> set. This can be alot of records - 10, 30, 40, 50000
> thousand or more, or
> just a few hundred. It depends on how the user
> searches the database.
> 
> Now when large record sets are returned from a
> search, the UI (user
> interface) slows down, especially when resizing the
> stack to see more
> records in the table object. When resizing with no
> records, the UI is
> performs normally with fast resizing.
> 
> Q: has any one seen this before? And if so, how do
> you handle the drop in UI
> performance?
> 
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
> 

Hi Mark,

The problem is two-fold: it's a lot of data that has
to go through some pipe before it arrives in
Revolution, and Revolution then has to process and
format a lot of that to determine what to actually
display on screen, recalculate the size of the
scrollbar, etc.

For a project where it was taking a lot of time before
the user saw anything, I decided to take a different
approach: rather than rely on a single call to
revdb_querylist()/revDataFromQuery(), to use a result
set cursor and a 'send in time' construct to fetch 20
records at a time.

This approach allows the user interface to remain
responsive, and the user can see the table filling up
as more data comes in. It also means you can cancel
the rest of the data download as soon as the user
finds the record he wants, or decides to make a
different selection.

It looks something like this:

##
global gConnectionID
local sFetchMsgID, sCursorID, sColumnCount

on mouseUp
  CancelFetchTimer
  put "SELECT * FROM Customers" into tQuery
  put revdb_query(gConnectionID, tQuery) into
sCursorID
  if sCursorID is not a number then
    answer error sCursorID
    exit mouseUp
  end if
  put revDatabaseColumnCount(sCursorID) into
sColumnCount
  put empty into field "QueryResults"
  send "FetchNext20Records" to me in 0 milliseconds
  put the result into sFetchMsgID
end mouseUp

on FetchNext20Records
  put false into tStopFlag
  repeat 20 times
    repeat with tColumn = 1 to sColumnCount
      put revDatabaseColumnNumbered(sCursorID,
tColumn) & \
          tab after tNextPart
    end repeat
    put return into char -1 of tNextPart
    put revCurrentRecordIsLast(sCursorID) into
tStopFlag
    if tStopFlag then
      delete char -1 of tNextPart
      exit repeat
    end if
  end repeat
  put tNextPart after field "QueryResults"
  if tStopFlag then
    put empty into sFetchMsgID
  else
    send "FetchNext20Records" to me in 100
milliseconds
    put the result into sFetchMsgID
  end if
end FetchNext20Records

on CancelFetchTimer
  if sFetchMsgID is not empty then
    cancel sFetchMsgID
    put empty into sFetchMsgID
  end if
end CancelFetchTimer
##

This is all off the top of my head, so beware of
typos.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 21 14:47:54 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:47:54 -0600
Subject: Shakobox/PlayCommand and Rev 2.9
In-Reply-To: <92C2FE05-6A7C-408D-B1BB-2ABBA85A8438@online.fr>
References: <512D8C85-3007-4226-99E5-9F9B66191DE3@online.fr>	<47BDCDAF.2080401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<92C2FE05-6A7C-408D-B1BB-2ABBA85A8438@online.fr>
Message-ID: <47BDD56A.1000802@hyperactivesw.com>

Ren? Micout wrote:
> Thank you Jacqueline,
> My question was about PlayCommand... Shakobox for precision...
> If I have understand (understood ?) the PlayCommand work normally ?

Yes, it seems to work fine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 21 15:17:21 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:17:21 -0800
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
Message-ID: <47BDDC51.7050401@fourthworld.com>

Jan Schenkel wrote:

>> Now when large record sets are returned from a
>> search, the UI (user
>> interface) slows down, especially when resizing the
>> stack to see more
>> records in the table object. When resizing with no
>> records, the UI is
>> performs normally with fast resizing.
...
> The problem is two-fold: it's a lot of data that has
> to go through some pipe before it arrives in
> Revolution, and Revolution then has to process and
> format a lot of that to determine what to actually
> display on screen, recalculate the size of the
> scrollbar, etc.

FWIW, I did some subjective tests with scrolling large amounts of data 
in Rev vs. Word, Excel, and others. Rev outperformed them all, quite 
noticeably.

So if it seems slow, try the same size data anywhere else.  Sometimes a 
lot of data just takes a long time to redraw.

Fortunately the user will likely resize a window infrequently.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 15:30:18 2008
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:30:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <47BDDC51.7050401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <163276.80663.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Jan Schenkel wrote:
> 
> >> Now when large record sets are returned from a
> >> search, the UI (user
> >> interface) slows down, especially when resizing
> the
> >> stack to see more
> >> records in the table object. When resizing with
> no
> >> records, the UI is
> >> performs normally with fast resizing.
> ...
> > The problem is two-fold: it's a lot of data that
> has
> > to go through some pipe before it arrives in
> > Revolution, and Revolution then has to process and
> > format a lot of that to determine what to actually
> > display on screen, recalculate the size of the
> > scrollbar, etc.
> 
> FWIW, I did some subjective tests with scrolling
> large amounts of data 
> in Rev vs. Word, Excel, and others. Rev outperformed
> them all, quite 
> noticeably.
> 
> So if it seems slow, try the same size data anywhere
> else.  Sometimes a 
> lot of data just takes a long time to redraw.
> 
> Fortunately the user will likely resize a window
> infrequently.
> 
> -- 
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>  

Excellent point, Richard - Revolution is indeed much
faster than the MS behemoths. Combining Mark's advice
of caching the data in an off-screen buffer with the
'fake-threaded' chunked download approach, allows us
to squeeze every drop of performance out of our
favourite development tool...

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Feb 21 16:04:21 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:04:21 -0800
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <38EE65A4-4A9A-4BE8-8E26-4F2D1ED445FE@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>	<41B696DC-9339-4509-AF2E-4C1FE0C59C50@anachreon.co.uk>
	<38EE65A4-4A9A-4BE8-8E26-4F2D1ED445FE@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <47BDE755.1080507@pdslabs.net>

Me too!

I've used ScreenSteps to create docs for client work - using it to show 
how RevOnRockets works is a *great* idea!

Phil Davis


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Luis wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a good job for ScreenSteps... ;)
>
> You rang? :-)
-- 
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PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Feb 21 16:23:05 2008
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:23:05 +0000
Subject: Re-4: Problem with characters/special characters in XML
Message-ID: <0002E9B9.47BDF9C8@192.168.168.3>

Hi Mark,

thanks for the tip in the right direction.

After playing around and trying to understand what?s that all about unicode
i found that these two lines will do what i want

    put uniencode(tXml,"UTF-16") into utf16
    put unidecode(utf16,"UTF8") into tXml

Now my selfmade XMl-file can be opened by Excel 2003 without problem.

> Do you create an XML file with your own custom-made script or do you  
> use Revolution's XML external?
Yes i create the XML file with my own custom-made script, because
i am new at XML and i do not know right now how to use the XML external.

I had an original excel file, which i exported to XML. I then opened that xml in an editor
to find out how it is organized. So i was able to build the same XML files out of an csv except
the special characters. But that works now too.

Damn, XML seems to be so powerfull, but i don?t have the time to get any deeper into it at the moment.

Thanks again.


All the best,

Matthias




From chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 21 16:14:36 2008
From: chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au (chris livermore)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:14:36 +1100
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3E434EC.17CF8%chrisliv@unimelb.edu.au>

Very interested Chipp. Andre and I will be using it in a couple of projects
coming up and I really need to get on top of it.
Love this Rev community, good spirit of generosity

Big thanks to Andre
Cheers

Chris



On 21/2/08 10:01 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Part II
> 
> So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is it comes with it's
> own webserver, which runs locally, and is ENTIRELY REV BASED. So, you can
> edit and debug your RevCGI right in Rev without even being connected to the
> Internet. This is an extreme ease-of-use workflow addition to the labored
> process of write code, upload, test in browser, then try and figure out why
> it didn't work-- which is the most DIFFICULT part of RevCGI. Andre's
> webserver has some very advanced debugging features as well, so it's much
> easier to 'get it right.'
> 
> To say it another way, Andre's really done quite well in integrating all of
> this, and those of you who know him, know he writes really good code.
> 
> And, with a few modifications to MagicCarpet, I've been able to streamline
> workflow outside of Andre's local webserver.
> 
> One of the issues with ROR, is it's not documented well-- and is a bit hard
> to pickup without a bit of handholding. In fact, I've spent hours on the
> phone and screensharing with Andre just to get caught up on all the neat
> stuff his libraries do. We've created several examples together, and after
> our sessions, I end up more and more impressed with ROR.
> 
> So, I thought if others were interested, I'd create a tutorial series to
> help developers learn how to use ROR and RevCGI. There are of course some
> very good RevCGI beginner tutorials, but I'm hoping these would go farther,
> and show a bit more advanced techniques...like putting file locking on a
> stack so that 2 people don't try to write to it at once. Or, uploading
> images and files via HTTP and not FTP using POST.
> 
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!
> 
> -Chipp
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 21 16:26:51 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:26:51 -0600
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <C3E434EC.17CF8%chrisliv@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3E434EC.17CF8%chrisliv@unimelb.edu.au>
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OK, Let's do this! I'm putting together a quick Hemingway website where we
can start all of this. I'm hoping to have something up there soon for you
all to look at.

Trevor, thanks for the SS offer-- we may wish to take you up on that. I'll
get w/you offline.
-C


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Feb 21 16:36:56 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:36:56 -0800
Subject: Open Socket Question
In-Reply-To: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>
References: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>

Hi Dave,

I don't have time to write sample code right now, but one approach would be:

- set the socketTimeoutInterval to something reasonable
- make a 'connectToServerApp' handler that opens one socket, using the 
params passed to it by 'startClient'
- let 'StartClient' do this once for each line in your server list:
      send ("connectToServerApp" && tOneIpAddress) to stack in 0 ticks
- make a 'socketTimeout' handler than resends the 'connectToServerApp' 
cmd (with params) to stack in x ticks
- make a 'socketError' that notifies you of connection failures
- when the openSockets contains all the addresses in your original list, 
you're done

Phil Davis


Dave wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a number of applications that communicate with each other using 
> TCP/IP Sockets. For a given application, I want to be able to connect 
> it to a number of "server" applications, however the "server" apps 
> make or may not be running, so what I want to be able to do is to 
> issue an open socket to a "server" application and if the connection 
> is made add it to a "connected" table and if not, carry on the to next 
> server, but try to open the socket again at a later time.
>
> I can't seem to be able to get my head around the code needed to do this!
>
> Basically I have a Function that gets called with a list of the IP 
> Addresses in the for - aa.bb.cc.dd:port and a ConnectionID, I want to 
> be able to open a socket to each IP/Port with the specified 
> ConnectionID . The function definition for this is as follows:
>
> function StartClient theConnectToServerList,theConnectionID
>
> theConnectToServerList is a list of the following
>
> 192.168.1.100:6000
> 192.168.1.100:6002
> 192.168.1.100:6004
>
> etc.
>
> Any ideas on how achieve this gracefully would be greatly appreciated!
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
>
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 18:21:44 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:21:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <15622814.post@talk.nabble.com>


I haven't tried storing data in a custom property as yet, but wouldn't that
render the same lack of performance behavior, where putting the data into a
stack of the UI?

Mark Stuart


masmit wrote:
> 
> Mark, you might store the data from the database in a custom property  
> of the table field, and only show as much data as will fit in the  
> field at it's current size.
> 
> You'd have to write your own scrolling routines to update the  
> display, but it can be done.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 21 Feb 2008, at 19:04, mfstuart wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a question about large data sets (thousands of lines) in a  
>> table
>> object and the slowing down of the UI performance, especially on  
>> resizing
>> the stack.
>>
>> My application interfaces to an MS SQL 2000 database via ODBC. No  
>> problem
>> there.
>> The SQL table I have has over half a million records in it, and  
>> this grows
>> all the time.
>>
>> Potentially, the user could return all records, which would take a  
>> while to
>> load them all.
>> But I've created the interface to allow the user to return a  
>> smaller record
>> set. This can be alot of records - 10, 30, 40, 50000 thousand or  
>> more, or
>> just a few hundred. It depends on how the user searches the database.
>>
>> Now when large record sets are returned from a search, the UI (user
>> interface) slows down, especially when resizing the stack to see more
>> records in the table object. When resizing with no records, the UI is
>> performs normally with fast resizing.
>>
>> Q: has any one seen this before? And if so, how do you handle the  
>> drop in UI
>> performance?
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Mark Stuart
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 18:26:26 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:26:26 +1000
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15622814.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>
	<15622814.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802211526q566f7e0fga00143dd262aa889@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:21 AM, mfstuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:
>
>  I haven't tried storing data in a custom property as yet, but wouldn't that
>  render the same lack of performance behavior, where putting the data into a
>  stack of the UI?

No, because the engine doesn't have to think about how to display your
data, it's just storing whatever you put in there.

I got involved in a project were data was being stored in fields on
another card, so not even visible. The amount of data was getting
quite large, about 40,000 lines in each field. When I changed it to
storing the data in custom properties, the speed of adding new data
points dropped from around 3 seconds to about 5 ticks!

Cheers,
Sarah


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 18:28:27 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:28:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <340640.1349.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<340640.1349.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Hi Jan,
Where the reading of the SQL data and loading into a table object is not
quite the issue here, never the less, it is an issue I haven't dealt with as
yet in this application.
But I will try your approach, copying your script to an archive for future
pondering.

This current issue is the resizing of the stack AFTER the data has loaded to
the table object.
When resizing, it is very slow and cumbersome and even produces delays to
the resized stack dimensions.

Mark Stuart


Jan Schenkel wrote:
> 
> --- mfstuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have a question about large data sets (thousands
>> of lines) in a table
>> object and the slowing down of the UI performance,
>> especially on resizing
>> the stack.
>> 
>> My application interfaces to an MS SQL 2000 database
>> via ODBC. No problem
>> there.
>> The SQL table I have has over half a million records
>> in it, and this grows
>> all the time.
>> 
>> Potentially, the user could return all records,
>> which would take a while to
>> load them all.
>> But I've created the interface to allow the user to
>> return a smaller record
>> set. This can be alot of records - 10, 30, 40, 50000
>> thousand or more, or
>> just a few hundred. It depends on how the user
>> searches the database.
>> 
>> Now when large record sets are returned from a
>> search, the UI (user
>> interface) slows down, especially when resizing the
>> stack to see more
>> records in the table object. When resizing with no
>> records, the UI is
>> performs normally with fast resizing.
>> 
>> Q: has any one seen this before? And if so, how do
>> you handle the drop in UI
>> performance?
>> 
>> Thanx,
>> Mark Stuart
>> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> The problem is two-fold: it's a lot of data that has
> to go through some pipe before it arrives in
> Revolution, and Revolution then has to process and
> format a lot of that to determine what to actually
> display on screen, recalculate the size of the
> scrollbar, etc.
> 
> For a project where it was taking a lot of time before
> the user saw anything, I decided to take a different
> approach: rather than rely on a single call to
> revdb_querylist()/revDataFromQuery(), to use a result
> set cursor and a 'send in time' construct to fetch 20
> records at a time.
> 
> This approach allows the user interface to remain
> responsive, and the user can see the table filling up
> as more data comes in. It also means you can cancel
> the rest of the data download as soon as the user
> finds the record he wants, or decides to make a
> different selection.
> 
> It looks something like this:
> 
> ##
> global gConnectionID
> local sFetchMsgID, sCursorID, sColumnCount
> 
> on mouseUp
>   CancelFetchTimer
>   put "SELECT * FROM Customers" into tQuery
>   put revdb_query(gConnectionID, tQuery) into
> sCursorID
>   if sCursorID is not a number then
>     answer error sCursorID
>     exit mouseUp
>   end if
>   put revDatabaseColumnCount(sCursorID) into
> sColumnCount
>   put empty into field "QueryResults"
>   send "FetchNext20Records" to me in 0 milliseconds
>   put the result into sFetchMsgID
> end mouseUp
> 
> on FetchNext20Records
>   put false into tStopFlag
>   repeat 20 times
>     repeat with tColumn = 1 to sColumnCount
>       put revDatabaseColumnNumbered(sCursorID,
> tColumn) & \
>           tab after tNextPart
>     end repeat
>     put return into char -1 of tNextPart
>     put revCurrentRecordIsLast(sCursorID) into
> tStopFlag
>     if tStopFlag then
>       delete char -1 of tNextPart
>       exit repeat
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   put tNextPart after field "QueryResults"
>   if tStopFlag then
>     put empty into sFetchMsgID
>   else
>     send "FetchNext20Records" to me in 100
> milliseconds
>     put the result into sFetchMsgID
>   end if
> end FetchNext20Records
> 
> on CancelFetchTimer
>   if sFetchMsgID is not empty then
>     cancel sFetchMsgID
>     put empty into sFetchMsgID
>   end if
> end CancelFetchTimer
> ##
> 
> This is all off the top of my head, so beware of
> typos.
> 
> Hope this helped,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 18:40:05 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:40:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <47BDDC51.7050401@fourthworld.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BDDC51.7050401@fourthworld.com>
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Hi Richard,
My day job is a software engineer, using another software development tool -
eDeveloper.
The product we build (CRM) is for enterprise sized companies, working on
large amounts of SQL data.
eDeveloper does not produce this UI lack of performance during runtime. This
is how I noticed the difference in behavior.
As far as Excel and Rev, both load the data into memory, which I would
assume then declines the available resources, causing the issue at hand.
Whereas the table object in our software is reading the data continually
(??) from the database, caching when needed, so the lack of performance is
never noticed.

Mark Stuart



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Jan Schenkel wrote:
> 
>>> Now when large record sets are returned from a
>>> search, the UI (user
>>> interface) slows down, especially when resizing the
>>> stack to see more
>>> records in the table object. When resizing with no
>>> records, the UI is
>>> performs normally with fast resizing.
> ...
>> The problem is two-fold: it's a lot of data that has
>> to go through some pipe before it arrives in
>> Revolution, and Revolution then has to process and
>> format a lot of that to determine what to actually
>> display on screen, recalculate the size of the
>> scrollbar, etc.
> 
> FWIW, I did some subjective tests with scrolling large amounts of data 
> in Rev vs. Word, Excel, and others. Rev outperformed them all, quite 
> noticeably.
> 
> So if it seems slow, try the same size data anywhere else.  Sometimes a 
> lot of data just takes a long time to redraw.
> 
> Fortunately the user will likely resize a window infrequently.
> 
> -- 
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 21 19:00:34 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:00:34 -0800
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
Message-ID: <47BE10A2.2070908@fourthworld.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> My day job is a software engineer, using another software development tool -
> eDeveloper.
> The product we build (CRM) is for enterprise sized companies, working on
> large amounts of SQL data.
> eDeveloper does not produce this UI lack of performance during runtime. This
> is how I noticed the difference in behavior.
> As far as Excel and Rev, both load the data into memory, which I would
> assume then declines the available resources, causing the issue at hand.
> Whereas the table object in our software is reading the data continually
> (??) from the database, caching when needed, so the lack of performance is
> never noticed.

Rev fields are smartly buffered and tend to redraw faster than any other 
app on my hard drive.  If you're seeing unusually slow redraws it may be 
related to Rev libraries rather than the engine itself.

Try this:  Make a new stack, add a field, turn on the field's hGrid and 
vGrid properties, and dump an equivalent amount of data into it.

To handle the resize, use this rather than Rev's Geometry Manager:

on resizeStack x,y
    set the rect of fld 1 to 20,20,x-20,y-20
end resizeStack


If Rev is as efficient as I think it is, that test should show a pretty 
smooth update.  If not we can look into it more deeply.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 19:36:00 2008
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:36:00 +0900
Subject: running a (non-standard?) SQL query
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70802211636ha1e8d76v5c001b21733359c8@mail.gmail.com>

Further to my Japanese (UTF-8) encoding problem with Rev-cgi and MySQL.

One possible source of the problem is the character set of the server, which,
in my case, differs from the character set of my database. Assuming that
I cannot change the server's character set, one workaround I've read of is to
set the character set of the session itself immediately after connecting to
the database.

The MySQL query command for this is:

   SET session character_set_server = UTF8

So, I tried running this in my Rev-cgi script at:

   put revExecuteSQL connID,"SET session character_set_server = UTF8"

Needless to say, it didn't work.

What I'm wondering now is whether the problem is my ignorance of  the
"revExecuteSQL" command or whether "revExecuteSQL" itself doesn't
allow this particular MySQL query command.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 19:55:51 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:55:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <47BE10A2.2070908@fourthworld.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BE10A2.2070908@fourthworld.com>
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Hi Richard,
I did as you suggested and copied 8 columns of data (20,844 lines) into this
new stack.
Just a table object on the card - no scripts (except your 'on resizeStack'
in the stack), no other objects.
resize result: same slow behavior :(

Any other thoughts on that?

Mark Stuart


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> mfstuart wrote:
>> My day job is a software engineer, using another software development
>> tool -
>> eDeveloper.
>> The product we build (CRM) is for enterprise sized companies, working on
>> large amounts of SQL data.
>> eDeveloper does not produce this UI lack of performance during runtime.
>> This
>> is how I noticed the difference in behavior.
>> As far as Excel and Rev, both load the data into memory, which I would
>> assume then declines the available resources, causing the issue at hand.
>> Whereas the table object in our software is reading the data continually
>> (??) from the database, caching when needed, so the lack of performance
>> is
>> never noticed.
> 
> Rev fields are smartly buffered and tend to redraw faster than any other 
> app on my hard drive.  If you're seeing unusually slow redraws it may be 
> related to Rev libraries rather than the engine itself.
> 
> Try this:  Make a new stack, add a field, turn on the field's hGrid and 
> vGrid properties, and dump an equivalent amount of data into it.
> 
> To handle the resize, use this rather than Rev's Geometry Manager:
> 
> on resizeStack x,y
>     set the rect of fld 1 to 20,20,x-20,y-20
> end resizeStack
> 
> 
> If Rev is as efficient as I think it is, that test should show a pretty 
> smooth update.  If not we can look into it more deeply.
> 
> -- 
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 20:03:35 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:03:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802211526q566f7e0fga00143dd262aa889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>
	<15622814.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802211526q566f7e0fga00143dd262aa889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15625210.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Sarah,
That sounds promising, especially reading prior threads on the same custom
property concept.
(A thought on this concept of copying data to a custom property - wouldn't
it consume large amounts of the users computer memory/resources?)

But this is a multi-user application, where many users will be searching,
updating, deleting, and adding records into the SQL database thru this Rev
app. It's not a read-only application. I think if it was, the custom
property could be worth looking at.
Mark Stuart



Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:21 AM, mfstuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I haven't tried storing data in a custom property as yet, but wouldn't
>> that
>>  render the same lack of performance behavior, where putting the data
>> into a
>>  stack of the UI?
> 
> No, because the engine doesn't have to think about how to display your
> data, it's just storing whatever you put in there.
> 
> I got involved in a project were data was being stored in fields on
> another card, so not even visible. The amount of data was getting
> quite large, about 40,000 lines in each field. When I changed it to
> storing the data in custom properties, the speed of adding new data
> points dropped from around 3 seconds to about 5 ticks!
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Feb 21 20:04:24 2008
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:04:24 -0800
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B5CDECB-E215-483F-A726-BA829FE9B3B8@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Chip and Andre,

I'm following this thread closely and would love tutorial examples!

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------
On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:01 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Part II
>
> So, the other really cool part of ROR (Rev On Rockets) is
<snip>
>
> So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond  
> here. If
> there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let  
> us know!
>
> -Chipp



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 21 20:07:17 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:07:17 -0800
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
Message-ID: <47BE2045.1090205@fourthworld.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> I did as you suggested and copied 8 columns of data (20,844 lines) into this
> new stack.
> Just a table object on the card - no scripts (except your 'on resizeStack'
> in the stack), no other objects.
> resize result: same slow behavior :(
> 
> Any other thoughts on that?

How much data is in the field?  (How many lines, and average length of 
the lines)

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From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Feb 21 20:09:42 2008
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:09:42 -0800
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15625188.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BE10A2.2070908@fourthworld.com>
	<15625188.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <41936B81-3A17-4BC4-A31F-FFB79CA9AF88@qldlearning.com>

Mark,

Are you using a table object, or a regular scrolling field with the  
hGrid and vGrid properties turned on? The former is an emulated  
control which may slow down significantly, while the latter should be  
significantly faster.

In the past, I've managed to put data on the order of 20 columns /  
100,000 rows into regular fields. I don't recall how snappy things  
were, but I don't remember having problems.

HTH,
Brian

>
> Hi Richard,
> I did as you suggested and copied 8 columns of data (20,844 lines)  
> into this
> new stack.
> Just a table object on the card - no scripts (except your 'on  
> resizeStack'
> in the stack), no other objects.
> resize result: same slow behavior :(
>
> Any other thoughts on that?
>
> Mark Stuart





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 20:55:11 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:55:11 +1000
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15625210.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>
	<15622814.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802211526q566f7e0fga00143dd262aa889@mail.gmail.com>
	<15625210.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802211755ua9f4275vbf2f0aa7f8ada4a2@mail.gmail.com>

>  Hi Sarah,
>  That sounds promising, especially reading prior threads on the same custom
>  property concept.
>  (A thought on this concept of copying data to a custom property - wouldn't
>  it consume large amounts of the users computer memory/resources?)

The data was there already. I actually MOVED it to custom properties
rather than duplicating the data, so the overhead was no worse than it
had been and quite acceptable. The stack ended up at about 6 MB. The
data is not stored forever, it just builds up over 1 - 2 weeks, then
gets cleared and the process starts again.

>  But this is a multi-user application, where many users will be searching,
>  updating, deleting, and adding records into the SQL database thru this Rev
>  app. It's not a read-only application. I think if it was, the custom
>  property could be worth looking at.
>  Mark Stuart

I still think if you do a query and load the entire result into a
custom property, then show only portions of this data at a time in a
field, you will have the best of both worlds - minimizing the number
of trips to the server and minimizing the display times.

Cheers,
Sarah


>
>  Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
>  >
>  > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:21 AM, mfstuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  I haven't tried storing data in a custom property as yet, but wouldn't
>  >> that
>  >>  render the same lack of performance behavior, where putting the data
>  >> into a
>  >>  stack of the UI?
>  >
>  > No, because the engine doesn't have to think about how to display your
>  > data, it's just storing whatever you put in there.
>  >
>  > I got involved in a project were data was being stored in fields on
>  > another card, so not even visible. The amount of data was getting
>  > quite large, about 40,000 lines in each field. When I changed it to
>  > storing the data in custom properties, the speed of adding new data
>  > points dropped from around 3 seconds to about 5 ticks!
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Sarah


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Feb 21 21:46:03 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:46:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <47BE2045.1090205@fourthworld.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BE2045.1090205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <15626387.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Richard,
I'm at home now. looking at this...
As I mentioned in my previous listing, 20, 30, or 50000 lines can be found,
depends on the users search criteria. My example was 20,844 lines).
The record length for the table is 255 (counting up the SQL definition
lengths for all columns)
On the stack I'm only using 8 of the 13 columns from the SQL table. The
record length for the Table Field then is 200.

I also tried the Scrolling Field and compared it to the Table Field, using
20,844 lines - big difference, where the Scrolling Field won in it's
performance of no degradation of stack resize.
But I've never used this object before, because I lose the formatting of
columnar presentation.

If I use this object, is there a way to set it to columnar appearance?
And isn't it when you check the table property for this object, it changes
everything back to a Table Field?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart




Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> mfstuart wrote:
>> I did as you suggested and copied 8 columns of data (20,844 lines) into
>> this
>> new stack.
>> Just a table object on the card - no scripts (except your 'on
>> resizeStack'
>> in the stack), no other objects.
>> resize result: same slow behavior :(
>> 
>> Any other thoughts on that?
> 
> How much data is in the field?  (How many lines, and average length of 
> the lines)
> 
> -- 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 21 22:03:46 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:03:46 -0800
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15626387.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<47BE2045.1090205@fourthworld.com> <15626387.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <p06240828c3e3e85d0afc@[192.168.1.70]>

Table appearance in a scrolling field  can also be accomplished just 
using tabs.

Check out the table pulldown on the object inspector

uncheck table object
check hgrid and or vgrid
grid lines color can be subtle


>
>If I use this object, is there a way to set it to columnar appearance?
>And isn't it when you check the table property for this object, it changes
>everything back to a Table Field?
>
>Thanx,
>Mark Stuart
>
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 21 22:14:01 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:14:01 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <47BDBF4E.8040705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>
	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<47BC6959.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<302CEA4B-F1AC-42DD-AB31-D3FE40A131F6@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<47BDBF4E.8040705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802211914h7bdb86bar362a5e8965456153@mail.gmail.com>

Jacque,

I did confirm that 2.9 dp3 works as long as the first line has the -ui
switch:

#!revolution -ui

I would imagine the dp 4 is the same. Just thought you should know.

-C


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 21 22:20:14 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:20:14 -0600
Subject: Chipp -- perhaps the Rev On Rockets tutorials could be done on
	the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <322253fe0802210554m68b7cb29s159eccbb4bc9751d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <322253fe0802210554m68b7cb29s159eccbb4bc9751d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802211920y783d6e65ra3e0b165d2f52ed0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

Certainly links to the tutes can be put there, but Andre and I have a
website started and I think we're still deciding on the best format for the
tutes.

-Chipp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 21 22:49:19 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:49:19 -0600
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802211914h7bdb86bar362a5e8965456153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802181441m5a05cb60l32ca3f7ecef6ff84@mail.gmail.com>	
	<C3DF95CA.4CFA%hershf@rgllc.us>	
	<1e91b2b70802181742i52ebf3d3l11165f21b3c594a1@mail.gmail.com>	
	<7aa52a210802181815s6587e8e4m62d749afa5224422@mail.gmail.com>	
	<FACAD233-E707-4202-BE07-EEA2CDEF32AF@lacscentre.co.uk>	
	<47BB8864.2080607@hyperactivesw.com>	
	<06D9D8F2-DA0C-4AB5-8FAE-862F23F6B82C@lacscentre.co.uk>	
	<47BC6959.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>	
	<302CEA4B-F1AC-42DD-AB31-D3FE40A131F6@lacscentre.co.uk>	
	<47BDBF4E.8040705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210802211914h7bdb86bar362a5e8965456153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BE463F.5010002@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Jacque,
> 
> I did confirm that 2.9 dp3 works as long as the first line has the -ui
> switch:
> 
> #!revolution -ui
> 
> I would imagine the dp 4 is the same. Just thought you should know.

Beat you to it. Tried it last night and you're right, it works.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 23:28:10 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:28:10 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802212028u10897f4elaec0ceeeda77e68b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

>
> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
>

Ah my favourite pass time :-)

Probably no use to you Richard as I believe this is for personal use only as
it requires PDF2RTFService from Devon Systems:

http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html

I quickly checked the web-site but couldn't find anything, maybe it's in the
Read Me when you install, but I seem to remember something about personal
use only. Sill, for the inventive users out there, this will help.

Secondly, this is OSX only.

Easy Solution:

After installing PDF2RTFService, set the Preferences in TextEdit so that a
'new' document will be opened as Plain Text, not RTF.

Use Rev to 'force' the pdf document to be opened with TextEdit.
PDF2RTFService will automatically translate the PDF to RTF.

Use AppleScript to take the contents (rtf) of the file, open a new document
(txt) and insert the now plain text into the document. Save the document
with a fixed name and location.

User Rev to read the fixed file.

So in Rev:

launch tFileName with "/yourHD/Applications/TextEdit.app"

the 8 line AppleScript looks like this:

1 tell application "TextEdit"
2  set theText to the text of document 1
3  make new document
4  set the path of document 1 to "/yourHD/Users/Shared/Untitled1.txt"
5  save document 1
6  close document 1
7  close document 1
8 end tell

It is important to note that there should be no other documents open in
TextEdit when you run this.

After Rev launches your pdf with TextEdit it will become document 1. When
AppleScript 'makes new document', that is now document 1. I fix the location
to save 'Untitled1' in the Shared folder as this eliminates any permissions
issues. AppleScript then closes document 1, which leaves the original file
open, which now becomes document 1, which explains why document 1 is closed
twice.

I'll leave it up to you to put the above in a variable;-) but obviously
you'd run it Rev:

do tAppleScript as AppleScript

followed by:

put URL "file:/yourHD/Users/Shared/Untitled1.txt" into tTheText

Clearly this can easily be put into a repeat loop to run through a bunch of
pdf files to be opened, converted then fed into Untitled1 and finally read
into Rev.

Slightly more complex:
for those who wish to keep the converted files, here's the ApplesScript that
will save the txt version in same location as the pdf version, and just the
extension changed:

1  tell application "TextEdit"
2    set thePDFPath to the path of document 1
3    set endChar to the count character in thePDFPath
4    set endChar to endChar - 4
5    set theTxtPath to (characters 1 thru endChar of (thePDFPath as text) &
".txt") as text
6    set theText to the text of document 1
7    make new document
8    set the path of document 1 to theTxtPath
9    set the text of document 1 to theText
10    save document 1
11    close document 1
12    close document 1
13 end tell

Obviously in this case you'll need to do a bit of chunk manipulation in Rev
to figure out from the start file name and location where you'll find the
txt version so you can URL it. But that's so easy in Rev :-)

HTHs someone


From tom.quailcreek at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 23:39:48 2008
From: tom.quailcreek at gmail.com (Tom Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:39:48 -0800
Subject: Blocking control s
Message-ID: <4aa07a690802212039g5f1441dcx598906264eeaef20@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm sure three's an easy way to do this but how do I block the user from
saving by pressing "control s"?

Tom


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 23:45:31 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:45:31 +1000
Subject: Blocking control s
In-Reply-To: <4aa07a690802212039g5f1441dcx598906264eeaef20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4aa07a690802212039g5f1441dcx598906264eeaef20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802212045k1ec5a35en1667570eb1015783@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Tom Johnson <tom.quailcreek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>  I'm sure three's an easy way to do this but how do I block the user from
>  saving by pressing "control s"?

If you have your own menus, there is no need to put a Save command in
there, in which case the shortcut will do nothing.

Sarah


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Feb 22 02:09:08 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:09:08 +0100
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802212028u10897f4elaec0ceeeda77e68b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BCD136.9010405@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98160802212028u10897f4elaec0ceeeda77e68b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAAE8946-4F53-4145-AC2F-F19BF7B8E646@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:28 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Probably no use to you Richard as I believe this is for personal use  
> only as
> it requires PDF2RTFService from Devon Systems:
>
> http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html
>
> I quickly checked the web-site but couldn't find anything, maybe  
> it's in the
> Read Me when you install, but I seem to remember something about  
> personal
> use only. Sill, for the inventive users out there, this will help.



Go to:    http://www.devon-technologies.com/download/index.html

btw - one of the developers, Annard, recently moved here and is a  
friend.
My blog has interviews with him - also Andre & Klaus Major of Rev fame.

sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ClipaSearch Pro
http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Feb 22 03:19:58 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:19:58 +0200
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15623495.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BDDC51.7050401@fourthworld.com>
	<15623495.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47BE85AE.3060707@ekoinf.net>

Hi Mark,

use scrolling field object with vgrid and hgrid set to true (table to 
false), so you will get it formatted correctly without all the overheads 
of the table object. I always use this when I need table and it for me 
handles a few thousand records without any slowing downs.

One more option would be to play with LIMIT and OFFSET in SQL SELECT's 
and display only parts of the query that you want to.

All the best
Viktoras




From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Fri Feb 22 04:14:44 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:14:44 +0100
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802211755ua9f4275vbf2f0aa7f8ada4a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<16EDC672-E378-4B78-8AC2-113DE6B2757E@maseurope.net>
	<15622814.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802211526q566f7e0fga00143dd262aa889@mail.gmail.com>
	<15625210.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<f99b52860802211755ua9f4275vbf2f0aa7f8ada4a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE01B1D5-3F6B-4216-A4B5-9AC2614C6C80@free.fr>

Hi,


>>  Hi Sarah,
>>  That sounds promising, especially reading prior threads on the  
>> same custom
>>  property concept.
>
> The data was there already. I actually MOVED it to custom properties
> rather than duplicating the data, so the overhead was no worse than it
> had been and quite acceptable. The stack ended up at about 6 MB. The
> data is not stored forever, it just builds up over 1 - 2 weeks, then
> gets cleared and the process starts again.


I did use the same concept for an old project. During development,
all of a project Datas where stored in a folder on an Intranet site,  
to be
shared by multiple computers.

When everything works, and for security, administration and
others reasons I forgot,  I put the contents of a folder in a stack,
no widget, only an empty stack, with no scripts and only customs
properties. One stack contains all the Datas plus Log information plus
extras time Datas,... To choose a project, the user has to choose a  
file,
stored wherever he feels on his disk. These stacks could be more than  
10 Mb,
storing, text, binary datas, logs, images,....
I did change the extension of these stacks too... so the users could  
see their
projects as a one file; they like it.

Another thing to say that choosing this architecture, the development  
was short
with almost no debug process !

And if you come from another software planet, customs properties are  
only
associative arrays, no more really.

And the last but not the least, it was before 2000, and, at this  
time, I got so
many clever and good answers from this list...  :-)


HTH,
Have a nice day,

Thierry




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 22 04:31:39 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:31:39 +0100
Subject: Blocking control s
In-Reply-To: <4aa07a690802212039g5f1441dcx598906264eeaef20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4aa07a690802212039g5f1441dcx598906264eeaef20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52DEF372-CB46-4FC4-BB23-EAE69285128F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tom,

To prevent other people from changing your stacks, you can set the  
cantModify to true after setting a password for your stack.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 22-feb-2008, om 5:39 heeft Tom Johnson het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
> I'm sure three's an easy way to do this but how do I block the user  
> from
> saving by pressing "control s"?
>
> Tom




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 22 06:11:56 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:11:56 +0000
Subject: mimicking awks fs and ofs
Message-ID: <200802221111.56814.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

How do you do this?  Its super easy in awk.  You just set the item delimiters 
for the input file and the item delimiters for the output file independently.  
Then if you write, for instance, items 1 and 2 to the output fie, they may 
have been tab separated in the input file but will now be | separated or 
whatever in the output file.  Its very simple.  But there doesn't seem to be 
the same thing in Rev.  

Or maybe I am too hung up on the awk model and can't see it?

Peter


From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Feb 22 06:35:21 2008
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:35:21 +0000
Subject: mimicking awks fs and ofs
In-Reply-To: <200802221111.56814.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802221111.56814.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB836FA7-C670-4925-A338-0F728331C270@maseurope.net>

Peter,

put url InputFile into tData
replace tab with comma in tData
put tData into url outputFile

Best,

Mark

On 22 Feb 2008, at 11:11, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> How do you do this?  Its super easy in awk.  You just set the item  
> delimiters
> for the input file and the item delimiters for the output file  
> independently.
> Then if you write, for instance, items 1 and 2 to the output fie,  
> they may
> have been tab separated in the input file but will now be |  
> separated or
> whatever in the output file.  Its very simple.  But there doesn't  
> seem to be
> the same thing in Rev.
>
> Or maybe I am too hung up on the awk model and can't see it?
>
> Peter
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Feb 22 06:37:27 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:37:27 +0100
Subject: mimicking awks fs and ofs
In-Reply-To: <200802221111.56814.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802221111.56814.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5715046F-8732-4FA4-9C0A-02BB7A5A566E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Peter,

Le 22 f?vr. 08 ? 12:11, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit :

> How do you do this?  Its super easy in awk.  You just set the item  
> delimiters
> for the input file and the item delimiters for the output file  
> independently.
> Then if you write, for instance, items 1 and 2 to the output fie,  
> they may
> have been tab separated in the input file but will now be |  
> separated or
> whatever in the output file.  Its very simple.  But there doesn't  
> seem to be
> the same thing in Rev.
>
> Or maybe I am too hung up on the awk model and can't see it?

This a bit different in Rev :-)
Assuming tImput is a tab delimited list and tOutput must be a comma  
delimited one:

set the itemDel to tab
put item x to y of tInput into tOutput
replace tab with comma in tOutput
<Do what you want with tOutput>

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Fri Feb 22 06:43:21 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:43:21 +0100
Subject: mimicking awks fs and ofs
In-Reply-To: <DB836FA7-C670-4925-A338-0F728331C270@maseurope.net>
References: <200802221111.56814.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<DB836FA7-C670-4925-A338-0F728331C270@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <BADADED4-515F-4852-A3F2-5F3BED6EF2E5@free.fr>

Hi


> put url InputFile into tData
> replace tab with comma in tData
> put tData into url outputFile

assuming that
you don't have tabs or/and comma IN your datas...

Regards,
Thierry



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 22 06:55:03 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:55:03 -0600
Subject: RevOnRockets website is up
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802220355m62f89a7du493580d514b828d0@mail.gmail.com>

And you can signup to be notified when tutorials are completed. Of course
the signup form is a RevOnRockets cgi!

www.revonrockets.com

-Chipp and Andre


From camm29 at tesco.net  Fri Feb 22 08:24:05 2008
From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:24:05 +0000
Subject: Wait with messages
Message-ID: <20080222132405.FY1NN.383829.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

I have a loop with :-

repeat
..... do something (takes about 250ms)
wait 1 millisecond with messages
if x=1 then exit repeat
..... do something (takes about 250ms)
wait 1 millisecond with messages
if x=1 then exit repeat
end repeat

I have a button that makes x =1 to exit 1 card and go to another

The seems to be a larger delay than i expected to exit the repeat 2-5 secs ????

Any ideas how to exit repeat very fast ???

Thanks in advance !



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 22 08:37:17 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:37:17 +0100
Subject: Wait with messages
In-Reply-To: <20080222132405.FY1NN.383829.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20080222132405.FY1NN.383829.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <C4B3A13E-FEE4-4C01-BB03-8B14A5AA30E2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Curry,

There might be a problem caused by the fact that the script is  
currently running, but since I don't see how you change x, I am not  
sure about this. Usually, I use a custom property or the hilite of a  
button rather than a variable (which in your case seems to be set and  
read in the same script). Also, I can imagine that waiting with  
messages halfway the repeat loop doesn't work perfectly. I always put  
the wait statement at the end of the loop.

Also, the repeat loop itself doesn't run with messages. What always  
works for me is:

repeat forever with messages -- I rarely use forever btw
   if someCondition then
     -- do something
   else exit repeat
   wait 0 millisecs with messages
end repeat

You might need to re-think the design of your repeat loop. Why do you  
need to check x two times? Is it possible for the user to determine  
whether s/he will click before the first or the second wait statement?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

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Op 22-feb-2008, om 14:24 heeft <camm29 at tesco.net> <camm29 at tesco.net>  
het volgende geschreven:

> I have a loop with :-
>
> repeat
> ..... do something (takes about 250ms)
> wait 1 millisecond with messages
> if x=1 then exit repeat
> ..... do something (takes about 250ms)
> wait 1 millisecond with messages
> if x=1 then exit repeat
> end repeat
>
> I have a button that makes x =1 to exit 1 card and go to another
>
> The seems to be a larger delay than i expected to exit the repeat  
> 2-5 secs ????
>
> Any ideas how to exit repeat very fast ???
>
> Thanks in advance !
>


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 22 09:24:13 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:24:13 +0000
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
Message-ID: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I read the following in the RunRev Newsletter:

Active Scripting

A long standing feature of Revolution on Mac OS X has been the  
ability to easily execute AppleScript using the alternate language  
variant of the do command. This is can be extremely useful because  
Applescript is supported by many Mac OS X applications for external  
scripting and automation. For example, you can instruct the Finder to  
open a window to the startup-disk with something like:

local tApplescript
put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & return after  
tApplescript
put "activate" & return after tApplescript
put "make new Finder window to startup disk" & return after tApplescript
put "end tell"
do tApplescript as "applescript"

Up until now, there has been no analogue for this feature on Windows  
? however, with 2.9 comes the ability to use any Window Active  
Scripting Languge in the alternate language variant of do. At first  
glance this may not seem like a particularly useful feature, until  
you realize most active scripting languages allow easy creation of  
OLE/Automation objects.

For example, it is really easy to control iTunes using VBScript. The  
following simple code snippet will start the current song in iTunes  
playing:

local tVBScript
put "Dim iTunesApp" & return after tVBScript
put "Set iTunesApp = CreateObject(" & quote & "iTunes.Application" &  
quote & ")" & \
return after tVBScript
put "iTunesApp.CurrentTrack.Play()" after tVBScript
do tVBScript as "vbscript"

---------------------------------------------------------

My question is:

Does it also support JavaScript? As in:

  do tJavaScript as "javascript"

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave













From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 22 09:27:00 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:27:00 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <AC86DB74-6591-4852-BB3A-D34F9C559C1B@major-k.de>


Am 22.02.2008 um 15:24 schrieb Dave:

> ...
> My question is:
>
> Does it also support JavaScript? As in:
>  do tJavaScript as "javascript"

No.


Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 22 09:31:36 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:31:36 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Dave,

If you enter

put the alternateLanguages

in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of supported  
alternative languages. On my PC, this included "SignedJavaScript"  
including the quotes. It looks like you can do

do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)

I haven't tested this.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:24 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:

> Hi All,
>
> I read the following in the RunRev Newsletter:
>
<snip>

> My question is:
>
> Does it also support JavaScript? As in:
>
>  do tJavaScript as "javascript"
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Feb 22 09:39:05 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:39:05 -0500
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <D4C5D6BA-0D8E-457D-91BB-573789DC2D40@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 22, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Dave wrote:

> My question is:
>
> Does it also support JavaScript? As in:
>
> do tJavaScript as "javascript"

JScript is listed among the alternateLanguages on my Windows XP  
machine and executing:

do "result = 1 + 1" as "jscript"
answer the result

displays "2" in the answer dialog. So you could experiment with that.  
I think the issue really becomes what objects are available.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 22 09:39:40 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:39:40 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <E2E9B2CE-2E40-4D83-93A1-6FFD3F9A00FC@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Hi Dave,
>
> If you enter
>
> put the alternateLanguages
>
> in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of  
> supported alternative languages. On my PC, this included  
> "SignedJavaScript" including the quotes. It looks like you can do
>
> do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)
>
> I haven't tested this.

Oh, really? Did not know this...

Looks my "No" was a bit premature :-)

On the other hand, is this documented somewhere and thus official?

But a short look in the docs reveals:
"Returns the list of 'active scripting' languages that are installed  
on the system."

So question is, how can one install other "active scripting"  
languages than AppleScrip/VBScript?

> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 22 09:40:55 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:40:55 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F89B82BE-2BCA-40E6-8A03-D92449FDEF04@economy-x-talk.com>

Did a quick test...

It looks like these quoted language names don't make sense. I get  
"language not found" after trying to execute something, whatever I  
try. I wonder if this is a bug.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:31 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Dave,
>
> If you enter
>
> put the alternateLanguages
>
> in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of  
> supported alternative languages. On my PC, this included  
> "SignedJavaScript" including the quotes. It looks like you can do
>
> do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)
>
> I haven't tested this.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 22 09:50:04 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:50:04 +0000
Subject: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?
Message-ID: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for  
the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.

All the Best
Dave




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 22 10:00:17 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:00:17 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <E2E9B2CE-2E40-4D83-93A1-6FFD3F9A00FC@major-k.de>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
	<E2E9B2CE-2E40-4D83-93A1-6FFD3F9A00FC@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <39B006E6-5834-4C20-8EB2-5F681F18024B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

No no, your no wasn't premature. Not completely at least. I assume  
that not all languages in the list returned by the alternateLanguages  
are useful.

There are a few OSA languages around, e.g. the JavaScript OSA  
extension for Mac by LateNight software, which works great. Frontier  
is another OSA language, which is available for Windows and Mac. Look  
at <http://frontierkernel.org/> and <http://frontier.userland.com/>  
for more info. If you decide to give it a try, please let me know if  
you got it working with Rev.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:39 heeft Klaus Major het volgende geschreven:
>>
>
> Oh, really? Did not know this...
>
> Looks my "No" was a bit premature :-)
>
> On the other hand, is this documented somewhere and thus official?
>
> But a short look in the docs reveals:
> "Returns the list of 'active scripting' languages that are  
> installed on the system."
>
> So question is, how can one install other "active scripting"  
> languages than AppleScrip/VBScript?
>


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb 22 10:00:35 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:00:35 -0300
Subject: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?
In-Reply-To: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>
References: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802220700x3bdc78ddmab1b76d111d66975@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet.... So I don't think that is
even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.

So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...

Andre

On 2/22/08, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for
>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>
>  All the Best
>  Dave
>
>
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>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>


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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Feb 22 10:14:10 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:14:10 +0000
Subject: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802220700x3bdc78ddmab1b76d111d66975@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220700x3bdc78ddmab1b76d111d66975@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88EA2766-3E56-4566-8438-7D48DC68B698@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/ 
third_party_apps.php

Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet.... So I don't think that is
> even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
> only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.
>
> So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
> Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...
>
> Andre
>
> On 2/22/08, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for
>>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>>
>>  All the Best
>>  Dave
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  use-revolution mailing list
>>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
>
> -- 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb 22 10:19:52 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:19:52 -0300
Subject: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?
In-Reply-To: <88EA2766-3E56-4566-8438-7D48DC68B698@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220700x3bdc78ddmab1b76d111d66975@mail.gmail.com>
	<88EA2766-3E56-4566-8438-7D48DC68B698@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802220719j4e1667b7s28e740373f0ea72a@mail.gmail.com>

As I said, it is not available... :-/

silly apples...

andre

On 2/22/08, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hiya,
>
>  iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>  third_party_apps.php
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Luis.
>
>
>
>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  > Dave,
>  >
>  > I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet.... So I don't think that is
>  > even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
>  > only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.
>  >
>  > So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
>  > Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...
>  >
>  > Andre
>  >
>  > On 2/22/08, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>  >> Hi All,
>  >>
>  >>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for
>  >>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>  >>
>  >>  All the Best
>  >>  Dave
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  _______________________________________________
>  >>  use-revolution mailing list
>  >>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>  >>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>  >> subscription preferences:
>  >>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>  >>
>  >
>  >
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Feb 22 10:26:48 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:26:48 +0000
Subject: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802220719j4e1667b7s28e740373f0ea72a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220700x3bdc78ddmab1b76d111d66975@mail.gmail.com>
	<88EA2766-3E56-4566-8438-7D48DC68B698@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7c87a2a10802220719j4e1667b7s28e740373f0ea72a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446FA301-1EA7-4719-9215-352EEF13054E@anachreon.co.uk>

Unless you ROR it via web apps.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:19, Andre Garzia wrote:

> As I said, it is not available... :-/
>
> silly apples...
>
> andre
>
> On 2/22/08, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>
>>  iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>>  third_party_apps.php
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>
>>  Luis.
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet.... So I don't think that is
>>> even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
>>> only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.
>>>
>>> So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
>>> Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> On 2/22/08, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate  
>>>> apps for
>>>>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>>>>
>>>>  All the Best
>>>>  Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  use-revolution mailing list
>>>>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb 22 10:46:06 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:46:06 -0300
Subject: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?
In-Reply-To: <446FA301-1EA7-4719-9215-352EEF13054E@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <73E2DDEB-CA3F-4934-A101-FB215B565BAC@looktowindward.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220700x3bdc78ddmab1b76d111d66975@mail.gmail.com>
	<88EA2766-3E56-4566-8438-7D48DC68B698@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7c87a2a10802220719j4e1667b7s28e740373f0ea72a@mail.gmail.com>
	<446FA301-1EA7-4719-9215-352EEF13054E@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802220746y56afba94n8fde6a67b1f829c3@mail.gmail.com>

Luis,

:-D

There are many uses for RevOnRockets...

The tutorials will rock! :D

Andre


On 2/22/08, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
> Unless you ROR it via web apps.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Luis.
>
>
>
>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:19, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  > As I said, it is not available... :-/
>  >
>  > silly apples...
>  >
>  > andre
>  >
>  > On 2/22/08, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>  >> Hiya,
>  >>
>  >>  iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>  >>  third_party_apps.php
>  >>
>  >>  Cheers,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  Luis.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Dave,
>  >>>
>  >>> I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet.... So I don't think that is
>  >>> even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
>  >>> only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.
>  >>>
>  >>> So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
>  >>> Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...
>  >>>
>  >>> Andre
>  >>>
>  >>> On 2/22/08, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>  >>>> Hi All,
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate
>  >>>> apps for
>  >>>>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  All the Best
>  >>>>  Dave
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
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>  >>>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb 22 10:53:54 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:53:54 -0300
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <39B006E6-5834-4C20-8EB2-5F681F18024B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
	<E2E9B2CE-2E40-4D83-93A1-6FFD3F9A00FC@major-k.de>
	<39B006E6-5834-4C20-8EB2-5F681F18024B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802220753y74a31126r76a964ef792ce545@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark,

I don't think Frontier is OSA anymore. It used to be, I can't tell you
I am completelly sure, but I think that after Frontier 5 or something,
it droped being OSA and focused on the web + database + server part of
it.

I have frontier here and it is not listed on OSA...

The Javascript OSA is also abandoned. :-(

Andre


On 2/22/08, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi Klaus,
>
>  No no, your no wasn't premature. Not completely at least. I assume
>  that not all languages in the list returned by the alternateLanguages
>  are useful.
>
>  There are a few OSA languages around, e.g. the JavaScript OSA
>  extension for Mac by LateNight software, which works great. Frontier
>  is another OSA language, which is available for Windows and Mac. Look
>  at <http://frontierkernel.org/> and <http://frontier.userland.com/>
>  for more info. If you decide to give it a try, please let me know if
>  you got it working with Rev.


From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Fri Feb 22 10:56:49 2008
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:56:49 +0200
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <93A8674D-603A-4C2D-9290-73C80FA19848@mac.com>

I couldn't agree more!  Personally I doubt I will ever learn to use/ 
code Apple's Xcode or the coming iPhone SDK, but I am sure some of you  
real cracks out there could develop a rev stack that can convert what  
is necessary to run a standalone on those devices. Or do the rev  
developers themselves plan to make that platform a standalone option?  
I guess that can't really be answered until everyone has seen the  
SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible? I am keeping my fingers  
crossed!

Lars


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 22 11:00:34 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:00:34 -0800
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
Message-ID: <47BEF1A2.9080104@fourthworld.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> As I mentioned in my previous listing, 20, 30, or 50000 lines can be found,
> depends on the users search criteria. My example was 20,844 lines).
> The record length for the table is 255 (counting up the SQL definition
> lengths for all columns)
> On the stack I'm only using 8 of the 13 columns from the SQL table. The
> record length for the Table Field then is 200.
> 
> I also tried the Scrolling Field and compared it to the Table Field, using
> 20,844 lines - big difference, where the Scrolling Field won in it's
> performance of no degradation of stack resize.
> But I've never used this object before, because I lose the formatting of
> columnar presentation.
> 
> If I use this object, is there a way to set it to columnar appearance?

The field object was the key to the recipe I provided in my earlier
post, but when I wrote that I forgot to specify "Any text container 
controls other than what the IDE calls a 'Table Object'". :)

The other ingredients in my recipe were to set its hGrid and vGrid
properties. Once you do that, you've just made an engine-native table field.

I don't use the Rev IDE myself, so I've never had occasion to use it's
"Table Object" (I still use the old IDE from before the acquisition,
MetaCard), so I can't guess what it's doing that would eat so much time. 
  But apparently some of the extra properties they set in it trigger a 
lot of other scripts in their libraries.

Does anyone here know what the scripts driving Rev's "Table Object" are 
doing that would require so much processing during resizing?

While there may be some room to optimize some of the scripts in the Rev 
IDE, I have a *lot* of confidence in the Rev engine.  Glad to see you've 
found a solution with it that performs well.


Know the engine.
Trust the engine.
Use the engine.

:)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From engleerica at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 11:03:28 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:03:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: beta  2.9
In-Reply-To: <20080222145030.1E80D489DD6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <921712.97609.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I signed up for beta testing of rev 2.9 and still
haven't a password / login url. :(

Eric


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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 22 11:04:07 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:04:07 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802220753y74a31126r76a964ef792ce545@mail.gmail.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
	<E2E9B2CE-2E40-4D83-93A1-6FFD3F9A00FC@major-k.de>
	<39B006E6-5834-4C20-8EB2-5F681F18024B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220753y74a31126r76a964ef792ce545@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1D8DB4A-1D0F-47A4-841F-2D713D21DE22@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Andre,

Regarding Frontier, if that's true, it is a real shame.

If the JavaScript OSA extension project has been abandoned it must  
have happened very recently, since the universal binary is still  
available for download here <http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/ 
JavaScriptOSA/jsDownload.html>.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 22-feb-2008, om 16:53 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:

> Hello Mark,
>
> I don't think Frontier is OSA anymore. It used to be, I can't tell you
> I am completelly sure, but I think that after Frontier 5 or something,
> it droped being OSA and focused on the web + database + server part of
> it.
>
> I have frontier here and it is not listed on OSA...
>
> The Javascript OSA is also abandoned. :-(
>
> Andre
>



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Feb 22 11:06:07 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:06:07 -0300
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <93A8674D-603A-4C2D-9290-73C80FA19848@mac.com>
References: <93A8674D-603A-4C2D-9290-73C80FA19848@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802220806h25166bc7p115907f892bde3e1@mail.gmail.com>

Lars,

standalones would need an ARM targeted engine and that does not exist
(I think). Best options for us is Web apps on iPhone.

iPhone javascript support has some nice features so you can build nice
webapps for it.

andre
PS: who has not an iPhone and thus can't test anything.

On 2/22/08, Lars Brehmer <larsbrehmer at mac.com> wrote:
> I couldn't agree more!  Personally I doubt I will ever learn to use/
>  code Apple's Xcode or the coming iPhone SDK, but I am sure some of you
>  real cracks out there could develop a rev stack that can convert what
>  is necessary to run a standalone on those devices. Or do the rev
>  developers themselves plan to make that platform a standalone option?
>  I guess that can't really be answered until everyone has seen the
>  SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible? I am keeping my fingers
>  crossed!
>
>  Lars
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 22 11:06:29 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:06:29 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47BEF305.3020102@fourthworld.com>

Lars Brehmer wrote:

 > ...do the rev developers themselves plan to make that platform
 > a standalone option? I guess that can't really be answered until
 > everyone has seen the SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible?
 > I am keeping my fingers crossed!

Software is just lights dancing on a screen. Everything is possible.

They key question is whether there is a compelling business case for 
investing the time.

If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd make 
an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API, and a 
much larger installed base.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Feb 22 11:14:36 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:14:36 -0500
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802220806h25166bc7p115907f892bde3e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93A8674D-603A-4C2D-9290-73C80FA19848@mac.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220806h25166bc7p115907f892bde3e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E8B2E0D-1FC8-44EB-B43F-65FA1DCB5A5F@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 22, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> PS: who has not an iPhone and thus can't test anything.

Perhaps you could try iPhoney <http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/>.  
My brother Greg says it works OK and he used it a little while  
developing the iPhone interface to ScreenSteps Live. Though he says  
the best solution was when he hooked up his local development server  
to be accessible over wifi. Then he could just test using a real  
iPhone in his office without having to deploy to the public server  
first.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Feb 22 11:26:21 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:26:21 +0100
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802220806h25166bc7p115907f892bde3e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93A8674D-603A-4C2D-9290-73C80FA19848@mac.com>
	<7c87a2a10802220806h25166bc7p115907f892bde3e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FACD2F8B-9204-4C12-B489-9C95B1EDFC76@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> iPhone javascript support has some nice features so you can build nice
> webapps for it.
>
> andre
> PS: who has not an iPhone and thus can't test anything.


http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/

Not really an iPhone but seems to provide a 'frame' for your canvas  
with  "lights dancing across the screen"      ;-)

For appearance only, in a way.

"Looking for a way to see how your web creations will look on iPhone?  
Look no further. iPhoney gives you a pixel-accurate web browsing  
environment?powered by Safari?that you can use when developing web  
sites for iPhone. It's the perfect 320 by 480-pixel canvas for your  
iPhone development. And it's free."

sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ClipaSearch Pro
http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb 22 12:18:40 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:18:40 -0800
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <fpn05m$8j8$1@ger.gmane.org>

Mark-

> If you enter
>
> put the alternateLanguages

...on my Kubuntu linux box this returns an empty set...

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net> 





From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 22 13:13:10 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:13:10 +0000
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <EC6EE2F6-89CD-4354-B852-376A0598B01A@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I don't have version 2.9 installed so can't test it. Does anyone know  
when 2.9 will be released?

All the Best
Dave

On 22 Feb 2008, at 14:31, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> If you enter
>
> put the alternateLanguages
>
> in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of  
> supported alternative languages. On my PC, this included  
> "SignedJavaScript" including the quotes. It looks like you can do
>
> do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)
>
> I haven't tested this.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color  
> Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
> Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:24 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I read the following in the RunRev Newsletter:
>>
> <snip>
>
>> My question is:
>>
>> Does it also support JavaScript? As in:
>>
>>  do tJavaScript as "javascript"
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 22 14:13:11 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:13:11 +0100
Subject: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <EC6EE2F6-89CD-4354-B852-376A0598B01A@looktowindward.com>
References: <452275D8-CA63-4E2A-B65F-29B27C01E991@looktowindward.com>
	<07EE98B7-2969-448D-9962-79B9A8CC5BDF@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EC6EE2F6-89CD-4354-B852-376A0598B01A@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <BB7D2696-8EC8-428E-9A0E-439582BE34C7@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi,
>
> I don't have version 2.9 installed so can't test it. Does anyone  
> know when 2.9 will be released?

In the next couple of weeks :-)

> All the Best
> Dave


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 22 14:59:35 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:59:35 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
Message-ID: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

> Probably no use to you Richard as I believe this is for personal use only as
> it requires PDF2RTFService from Devon Systems:
> 
> http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html
...
> So in Rev:
> 
> launch tFileName with "/yourHD/Applications/TextEdit.app"
> 
> the 8 line AppleScript looks like this:
> 
> 1 tell application "TextEdit"
> 2  set theText to the text of document 1
> 3  make new document
> 4  set the path of document 1 to "/yourHD/Users/Shared/Untitled1.txt"
> 5  save document 1
> 6  close document 1
> 7  close document 1
> 8 end tell

Wonderful!  That's actually exactly what I need, as this is just a 
one-time tool for internal use only to help me build a textual index of 
a collection PDF files.  Thank you for the help -- much appreciated.

I should also thank Tom McGrath, who kindly sent me a fully functional 
Automator action to do that too.  It runs well but only in Leopard, and 
it simplifies what I need to do to be able to generate the paths 
dynamically in Rev, so the AppleScript solution is a better fit for this 
task.  Just the same, Tom I very much appreciate your taking the time to 
put that together.  You've always been such a very helpful member of 
this community.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Feb 22 16:15:06 2008
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:15:06 -0500
Subject: Nasty Colours and Patterns Bug in 2.9
Message-ID: <E014432A-0820-4092-BE86-31BD1F1C83E2@videotron.ca>

Hello Everyone,

I'm using Enterprise 2.9.0 dp 4, on an Intel-based iMac, and I'd like  
to know if any of you have encountered this bug.  If you try to change  
the colour of something (e.g., stack background, field gridlines)  
using the Colours and Patterns palette, you can only do it once. If  
you change your mind while the palette is still open and click on one  
of the colour or pattern buttons, everything will freeze.

Regards,

	Gregory


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Feb 22 16:31:25 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:31:25 +1100
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BEF305.3020102@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C3E58A5D.4894%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

> If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd make
> an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API, and a
> much larger installed base.

A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even voted for
one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one mobile
Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are the first
handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in the
education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never taken off
among students but these just might!

Terry... 

-- 
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Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 22 17:26:29 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:26:29 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>

Terry Judd wrote:

>> If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd make
>> an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API, and a
>> much larger installed base.
> 
> A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even voted for
> one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one mobile
> Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are the first
> handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in the
> education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never taken off
> among students but these just might!

It's a tough call.  The iPhone has captured some healthy mindshare, but 
like the Mac GUI it won't be long before its gestures (and more) are 
simply industry standard.

And for the other capabilities, competing vendors don't have far to go. 
  I got a Palm Centro for my gal, and it's quite a powerful little 
device.  And I have to say I prefer the tactile response of a fixed 
keypad over the where-did-I-just-press? virtual keypad of the iPhone. 
And ideal device may be more like the Sidekick: usable physical keypad 
with large screen display.  Add gestures and it's an iPhone-killer.

It'll be interesting to see whether Apple opens up the iPhone 
architecture faster than competing vendors add gestures.  But while that 
race is on, it would take RunRev some time to deliver an engine for 
either device.  With both the iPhone and competing alternatives in such 
a state of flux, the whole thing is quite a moving target, and in the 
meantime I really, really, really need independent column alignment and 
zero-width columns in Rev fields, as do a few thousand others.

So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for the 
business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld Platform Wars 
play themselves out for at least another year.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From andres at bakno.com  Fri Feb 22 17:38:14 2008
From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:38:14 -0500
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <43E27674-98FA-4183-89A0-0D020A5BEEB2@bakno.com>

Hello

Sorry Richard, but I disagree.

I recently read (maybe from this same mailing list) that the iPhone  
has more penetration than Linux within internet-connected devices. If  
I remember correctly, measurement was taken from Google visitors.

If this is correct, the iPhone would be an important platform for  
RunRev.

Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Terry Judd wrote:
>
>>> If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd  
>>> make
>>> an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API,  
>>> and a
>>> much larger installed base.
>> A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even  
>> voted for
>> one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one  
>> mobile
>> Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are  
>> the first
>> handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in  
>> the
>> education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never  
>> taken off
>> among students but these just might!
>
> It's a tough call.  The iPhone has captured some healthy mindshare,  
> but like the Mac GUI it won't be long before its gestures (and more)  
> are simply industry standard.
>
> And for the other capabilities, competing vendors don't have far to  
> go.  I got a Palm Centro for my gal, and it's quite a powerful  
> little device.  And I have to say I prefer the tactile response of a  
> fixed keypad over the where-did-I-just-press? virtual keypad of the  
> iPhone. And ideal device may be more like the Sidekick: usable  
> physical keypad with large screen display.  Add gestures and it's an  
> iPhone-killer.
>
> It'll be interesting to see whether Apple opens up the iPhone  
> architecture faster than competing vendors add gestures.  But while  
> that race is on, it would take RunRev some time to deliver an engine  
> for either device.  With both the iPhone and competing alternatives  
> in such a state of flux, the whole thing is quite a moving target,  
> and in the meantime I really, really, really need independent column  
> alignment and zero-width columns in Rev fields, as do a few thousand  
> others.
>
> So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for  
> the business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld  
> Platform Wars play themselves out for at least another year.
>
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Managing Editor, revJournal
> _______________________________________________________
> Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Feb 22 17:46:55 2008
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:46:55 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <99808F19-6270-4240-B117-DF426EBA2B3B@canelasoftware.com>


On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for  
> the business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld  
> Platform Wars play themselves out for at least another year.

Not to get in the way of other important features that Rev is lacking,  
I find spending some time on this technology to be quite worthy of  
Rev's time.  The clean flat screen would be a benefit for the apps I  
am creating.  It allows the entire screen to be made into any button  
configuration I want.  I don't even care about iPhone compatibility.   
I just need iTouch compatibility. I have a whole slew of apps that  
would fit that hardware architecture just fine.

With sockets, you have a networked, portable, affordable, mini apple  
computer for all kinds of embedded application uses.

Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Feb 22 18:05:10 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:05:10 -0700
Subject: Nasty Colours and Patterns Bug in 2.9
In-Reply-To: <E014432A-0820-4092-BE86-31BD1F1C83E2@videotron.ca>
References: <E014432A-0820-4092-BE86-31BD1F1C83E2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <0A9B48BB-9330-4591-917A-C08C9FD3E15D@byu.edu>


On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm using Enterprise 2.9.0 dp 4, on an Intel-based iMac, and I'd  
> like to know if any of you have encountered this bug.  If you try  
> to change the colour of something (e.g., stack background, field  
> gridlines) using the Colours and Patterns palette, you can only do  
> it once. If you change your mind while the palette is still open  
> and click on one of the colour or pattern buttons, everything will  
> freeze.


Everything seems okay here, on Intel iMac, 10.4.11. I can change colo 
(u)rs and patterns at will with no problems.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb 22 18:13:12 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:13:12 -0800
Subject: OT: New threat to our way of life: giant pythons
Message-ID: <fpnku9$ilm$1@ger.gmane.org>

No on-topic content, but it's Friday on my planet and I just had to share 
this gem:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/MNABV5PP3.DTL

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 22 18:20:49 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:20:49 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47BF58D1.5090408@fourthworld.com>

Andres Martinez wrote:

> Sorry Richard, but I disagree.
> 
> I recently read (maybe from this same mailing list) that the iPhone  
> has more penetration than Linux within internet-connected devices. If  
> I remember correctly, measurement was taken from Google visitors.
> 
> If this is correct, the iPhone would be an important platform for  
> RunRev.

I think we're in agreement that the iPhone is an interesting platform, 
and of course there's no disputing hard data like the Linux market share 
stat you noted.

But the question here isn't a technical one, it's a business one, and 
like all such questions it focuses on ROI:

Before Rev was Rev it was MetaCard, and it was born on UNIX, with 
Windows and then Mac added later.  So a *NIX-compatible engine has 
always been around since the beginning.  The efforts with v2.9 to bring 
it up to date for the current Linux window managers are relatively 
trivial; the core of the engine has always run on *NIX.  Very little 
cost involved in Linux support at this time.

Moreover, I hadn't referred to Linux at all.  With mobile devices, the 
most useful comparison is to Windows Mobile.  While the comparison with 
Linux is interesting, it doesn't affect a business decision between 
iPhone and Windows Mobile.

The unknown here is the cost of porting the engine to whatever variant 
of OS X us running the iPhone, relative to the level of effort that 
would be needed to port it to Windows Mobile.  If the cost is favorable 
relative to market share, it's worth doing.  And maybe both are worth 
doing; I have neither the data on Rev's development costs nor the 
Windows Mobile market to make that decision for them, nor would they 
care if I did since I don't work there. :)

But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit 
the opportunities already before us we really need independent column 
alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on 
the table until those two features are in place.

So once we get those I'll happily explore other more exotic 
opportunities.  But in the meantime there's plenty to keep RunRev, and 
us, profitably busy while the mobile market sorts itself out.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Feb 22 17:55:57 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:55:57 +1100
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C3E59E2D.489D%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 23/2/08 9:26 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for the
> business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld Platform Wars
> play themselves out for at least another year.

I agree that we need to play the waiting game for a while but hopefully not
for too long. Handhelds have been around for a while without ever really
taking off - but I reckon that's about to change. While I don't expect to
see an iPhone (or whatever) version of Rev anytime soon, I'd hope that
someone in the Rev engine room will at least take the time to investigate
Apple's SDK when it comes out. Yes the so-called web apps that we can
already develop for the iPhone are promising but if you look through the
hundreds that have already been published you'd struggle to find more than a
couple that were truly useful (a bit like Apple's dashboard and Yahoo's
widgets) - but real mini-desktop apps...

Terry...

-- 
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Feb 22 18:41:54 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:41:54 +1100
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF58D1.5090408@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C3E5A8F2.48A3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
> the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
> alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
> the table until those two features are in place.

Agreed - I also want these feature now, Rev for iPhone can wait until next
week ;)

Terry...



From martinblackman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 20:04:45 2008
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:45 +0900
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <C3E5A8F2.48A3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <47BF58D1.5090408@fourthworld.com>
	<C3E5A8F2.48A3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70802221704u6074a14che3540f3339e68444@mail.gmail.com>

silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?

On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> > But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
> > the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
> > alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
> > the table until those two features are in place.
>
>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Feb 22 20:16:13 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:16:13 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70802221704u6074a14che3540f3339e68444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BF58D1.5090408@fourthworld.com>
	<C3E5A8F2.48A3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<79d1bee70802221704u6074a14che3540f3339e68444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc3e5235611af@[192.168.1.70]>

Hide data in-line in a column in a field row. Associating hidden data 
with a line can be very useful. Currently we have to hide any such 
data at the end of a row, out of view.



sqb


>silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?
>
>On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
>>  > the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
>>  > alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
>>  > the table until those two features are in place.
>  >
>>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 20:19:22 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:19:22 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70802221704u6074a14che3540f3339e68444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3E4B49A.4C4FF%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I don't know about other programmers, but I would be able to display just
the columns I wanted for the user without having to parse a table of data.

For example:
All data is in one table of 15 columns.
Field "price" would use column 1,2,4,10
which could be 
[database id][inventory item num][description][price]

the user only needs to see
[description][price]
so all columns would be 0 width except those 2

If the user clicks, now you want to display the related data such as
[package size][in stock][shipping wt]
All this info has already been retrieved and Rev can use chunking to get it.

I am sure there are other uses.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/22/08 5:04 PM, "Martin Blackman" <martinblackman at gmail.com> wrote:

> silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?
> 
> On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
>>> the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
>>> alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
>>> the table until those two features are in place.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 22 20:27:57 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:27:57 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47BF769D.5040502@fourthworld.com>

Martin Blackman wrote:
> silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?

Not silly at all.  I got the idea from Ken Ray, and have been a strong 
advocate of it since.  But when I first heard about it, I had the same 
question. :)

Suppose you want to display records from a database in a multi-column 
list field.  You'll want to keep track of the ID field, but that's just 
noise to the end-user so you don't want to display it.

Currently, you'd have to parse out that column and store it in a 
separate field.  When the user clicks on a line in the list, you look up 
the corresponding line in the ID field to do whatever you need to do 
with that record.

But then you want to sort the list.  So you have to recombine the ID 
field with the rest of the list contents, do the sort, then parse them 
apart again for display.

Ugh.

Not the sort of thing I want to spend time in a seminar at a corporation 
when I'm trying to teach them how to use Rev.

With a zero-width column, you can effectively "hide" any data you want, 
yet still keep it bound to the rest of the display.  Simple, convenient, 
easy to learn.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 20:52:29 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:52:29 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802221752g2079fa0eheb24d7e81f253819@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Wonderful!  That's actually exactly what I need, as this is just a
> one-time tool for internal use only to help me build a textual index of
> a collection PDF files.  Thank you for the help -- much appreciated.
>
> So glad I could help. For the many insights and explanations I've gleaned
from your many many posts to this List, and your web-site, I feel rather
chuffed that I could give something back.

'one-time tool'

Hmmmm, you might be surprised. I too was looking to solve one problem, all
be it an ongoing one. But once I got this to work and saw how quick and easy
it was to get PDF text into Rev, that tool has been used many many times:-)

Jim, enjoyed the blog re Annard. Please pass on to him that I too am very
very thankful for what Devon Technologies provides for free.


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Feb 23 03:35:41 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:35:41 +0000
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
Message-ID: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

OK, all good things come to an end.  

So where do I get the next one?

Peter


From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Sat Feb 23 04:06:10 2008
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:06:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
In-Reply-To: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15649932.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi RunRev,

why don?t all 2.9 testers get dp-4?

Is there a selection or is it just a mistake?

best regards

Horst


Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> 
> OK, all good things come to an end.  
> 
> So where do I get the next one?
> 
> Peter
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From coiin at rcn.com  Sat Feb 23 04:40:32 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:40:32 -0500
Subject: OT: New threat to our way of life: giant pythons
In-Reply-To: <fpnku9$ilm$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <fpnku9$ilm$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <C71E0EA4-CBCB-4A90-9224-BBEBA2BC41DA@rcn.com>


On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/MNABV5PP3.DTL


Well, arguably Python is in competition to Rev, so it's remotely on  
topic!




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Feb 23 04:48:38 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:48:38 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802221752g2079fa0eheb24d7e81f253819@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98160802221752g2079fa0eheb24d7e81f253819@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802230148x525dcf59wa80700a62c8cc586@mail.gmail.com>

Stop the Presses!!!!

I'm over the moon, I can't believe I missed this before, I can't believe how
many circles I've run, but I thought I'd have another go at trying to
eliminating the step of creating an extra document, I want AppleScript to
talk directly to Rev, and I'VE FOUND IT :-)

Read the Doc's, Read the Doc's, Read the Doc's. As bad as we complain they
are, there is still so much in there if only I took in what I read;-)

Here's what the Doc's say about the 'do' command:

If you use the do as OSALanguageName form, any result returned by the script
language is placed in the result.

ANY result from AppleScript will be placed in Rev's 'the result'

I look at AppleScript's 'Event Log' window all the time to check the
'Result' of each major step. The first step of my script is to put the text
of the document into a variable. is that a result?. So, out of interest I
removed all the following steps so the only step of the script was to place
the text into an AppleScript variable.

Then in Rev I simply ' put the result into myVariable'. And there it was,
all the text. It's that easy!!! The only minor minor problem is that in
comes in AppleScript format, which means there are quotes around the
content, but a quick 'put char 2 to -2' will eliminate those.

So in Rev:

use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit

use do to run this AppleScript:

tell application "TextEdit"
    set tText to the text of document 1
end tell

put the result into myVariable --is now full of your pdf's text :-))))
put char 2 to -2 of myVariable into myVariable --remove quotes

you'll probably want to do another 'do' to run this AppleScript to close the
document

tell application "TextEdit"
    close document 1
    --or if your finished with TextEdit
    quit
    --you will be prompted to save if there are any unsaved docs
end tell

Now to go and celebrate with some really loud Stevie Ray Vaughn...The house
is a rockin' so don't bother knockin'


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Feb 23 04:56:20 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:56:20 +0200
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
In-Reply-To: <15649932.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<15649932.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47BFEDC4.6090801@ekoinf.net>

i did not receive it too :-( or at least cant't find it in my inbox - 
the latest message is about dp3...

Viktoras

Horst wrote:
> Hi RunRev,
>
> why don?t all 2.9 testers get dp-4?
>
> Is there a selection or is it just a mistake?
>
> best regards
>
> Horst
>
>
> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>   
>> OK, all good things come to an end.  
>>
>> So where do I get the next one?
>>
>> Peter
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>>     
>
>   



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 05:12:04 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:12:04 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802230148x525dcf59wa80700a62c8cc586@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3E53174.4C516%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

You might want to look at Kenny Ray Vaughn's site at sonsOthunder.com for
his scripting solutions for both Win and Mac.  This will add to your power
and show the way to build cross-platform handlers.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/23/08 1:48 AM, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stop the Presses!!!!
> 
> I'm over the moon, I can't believe I missed this before, I can't believe how
> many circles I've run, but I thought I'd have another go at trying to
> eliminating the step of creating an extra document, I want AppleScript to
> talk directly to Rev, and I'VE FOUND IT :-)
> 
> Read the Doc's, Read the Doc's, Read the Doc's. As bad as we complain they
> are, there is still so much in there if only I took in what I read;-)
> 
> Here's what the Doc's say about the 'do' command:
> 
> If you use the do as OSALanguageName form, any result returned by the script
> language is placed in the result.
> 
> ANY result from AppleScript will be placed in Rev's 'the result'
> 
> I look at AppleScript's 'Event Log' window all the time to check the
> 'Result' of each major step. The first step of my script is to put the text
> of the document into a variable. is that a result?. So, out of interest I
> removed all the following steps so the only step of the script was to place
> the text into an AppleScript variable.
> 
> Then in Rev I simply ' put the result into myVariable'. And there it was,
> all the text. It's that easy!!! The only minor minor problem is that in
> comes in AppleScript format, which means there are quotes around the
> content, but a quick 'put char 2 to -2' will eliminate those.
> 
> So in Rev:
> 
> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
> 
> use do to run this AppleScript:
> 
> tell application "TextEdit"
>     set tText to the text of document 1
> end tell
> 
> put the result into myVariable --is now full of your pdf's text :-))))
> put char 2 to -2 of myVariable into myVariable --remove quotes
> 
> you'll probably want to do another 'do' to run this AppleScript to close the
> document
> 
> tell application "TextEdit"
>     close document 1
>     --or if your finished with TextEdit
>     quit
>     --you will be prompted to save if there are any unsaved docs
> end tell
> 
> Now to go and celebrate with some really loud Stevie Ray Vaughn...The house
> is a rockin' so don't bother knockin'
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 09:29:36 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:29:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
Message-ID: <234113.56784.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Is there a selection or is it just a mistake?"

Surely that question has already answered itself?

As a Runtime Revolution user of extremely slender
income who uses a licensed version of DreamCard 2.6.1
I assume I, at least, have been excluded from Beta 4
(or is it 11 ???) because I do not have a recent
licence for a fancier version of RR.

If this is true . . . it is "all rather a pity" as
some of use try to support RR in other ways that with
money.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Sat Feb 23 09:59:45 2008
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:59:45 -0500
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
In-Reply-To: <47BFEDC4.6090801@ekoinf.net>
References: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<15649932.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BFEDC4.6090801@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <325413300802230659r403552b1ta4a970b7df786522@mail.gmail.com>

I thought it happened to me when I upgraded to an enterprise license.
But, if the official release is coming in days rather than weeks I am
happy to wait.

Neal

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 4:56 AM, viktoras didziulis <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:
> i did not receive it too :-( or at least cant't find it in my inbox -
>  the latest message is about dp3...
>
>  Viktoras
>
>
>
>  Horst wrote:
>  > Hi RunRev,
>  >
>  > why don?t all 2.9 testers get dp-4?
>  >
>  > Is there a selection or is it just a mistake?
>  >
>  > best regards
>  >
>  > Horst
>  >
>  >
>  > Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>  >
>  >> OK, all good things come to an end.
>  >>
>  >> So where do I get the next one?
>  >>
>  >> Peter
>  >> _______________________________________________
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>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb 23 11:56:54 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:56:54 +0100
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF769D.5040502@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF769D.5040502@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <01C96D8B-A516-48B1-AB65-D3637C4CD5D3@mac.com>


On 23 Feb 2008, at 02:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Suppose you want to display records from a database in a multi- 
> column list field.  You'll want to keep track of the ID field, but  
> that's just noise to the end-user so you don't want to display it.
>
> Currently, you'd have to parse out that column and store it in a  
> separate field.  When the user clicks on a line in the list, you  
> look up the corresponding line in the ID field to do whatever you  
> need to do with that record.
>
> But then you want to sort the list.  So you have to recombine the ID  
> field with the rest of the list contents, do the sort, then parse  
> them apart again for display.
>
> Ugh.


Not to say this isn't a nice feature request, but removing or adding  
columns isn't exactly the rocket science you make it out to be. For  
example:

on mouseUp
   put 1 into doNotWantColumn
   put 2 into sortByThisColumn
   put the data of field 1 into theData
   sort theData by item sortByThisColumn of each
   split theData by column
   delete variable theData[doNotWantColumn]
   combine theData by column
   put theData into field 1
end mouseUp


Obviously not as simple as not showing a column in the field, and less  
memory efficient too, but on the plus side this is available now, and  
most likely faster then a modified field object (everything that has  
to do with fields is slow).

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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Feb 23 12:17:34 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:17:34 -0800
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
In-Reply-To: <15649932.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<15649932.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c3e605801420@[192.168.1.70]>

What happens when you use "check for update?"

>Hi RunRev,
>
>why don?t all 2.9 testers get dp-4?
>

-- 


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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Sat Feb 23 12:30:09 2008
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:30:09 +0000
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c3e605801420@192.168.1.70>
References: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<15649932.post@talk.nabble.com> <p06240800c3e605801420@192.168.1.70>
Message-ID: <325413300802230930w5f5d2c58s186718d17fdcf051@mail.gmail.com>

Mine will not start it aborts immeditely with expired trial date message.

Neal

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Stephen Barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> What happens when you use "check for update?"
>
>
>  >Hi RunRev,
>  >
>  >why don?t all 2.9 testers get dp-4?
>  >
>
>  --
>
>
>  stephen barncard
>  s a n  f r a n c i s c o
>  - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
>
>
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sat Feb 23 12:31:58 2008
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:31:58 -0000
Subject: Wait with messages
References: <20080222132405.FY1NN.383829.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
	<C4B3A13E-FEE4-4C01-BB03-8B14A5AA30E2@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <000701c87642$021f8b80$0d01a8c0@workshop>

Thanks for that ,

1 is put into x within a button script on mouseup .

> Why do i check (x=1) 2 times ?

Well I actually check for(x=1) 10 times ?!
I think I've missed the concept of messages
I thought if not checking for x after each function in the loop it would
mean 10 x 250ms wait to exit ????

Each do something (10 off ) in the loop retrieves different data (each takes
250ms) via the rs232 port and displays
on a card in real time until the stop button is pressed.

Thanks in advance
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Wait with messages


> Hi Curry,
>
> There might be a problem caused by the fact that the script is
> currently running, but since I don't see how you change x, I am not
> sure about this. Usually, I use a custom property or the hilite of a
> button rather than a variable (which in your case seems to be set and
> read in the same script). Also, I can imagine that waiting with
> messages halfway the repeat loop doesn't work perfectly. I always put
> the wait statement at the end of the loop.
>
> Also, the repeat loop itself doesn't run with messages. What always
> works for me is:
>
> repeat forever with messages -- I rarely use forever btw
>    if someCondition then
>      -- do something
>    else exit repeat
>    wait 0 millisecs with messages
> end repeat
>
> You might need to re-think the design of your repeat loop. Why do you
> need to check x two times? Is it possible for the user to determine
> whether s/he will click before the first or the second wait statement?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.
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>
>
>
> Op 22-feb-2008, om 14:24 heeft <camm29 at tesco.net> <camm29 at tesco.net>
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> > I have a loop with :-
> >
> > repeat
> > ..... do something (takes about 250ms)
> > wait 1 millisecond with messages
> > if x=1 then exit repeat
> > ..... do something (takes about 250ms)
> > wait 1 millisecond with messages
> > if x=1 then exit repeat
> > end repeat
> >
> > I have a button that makes x =1 to exit 1 card and go to another
> >
> > The seems to be a larger delay than i expected to exit the repeat
> > 2-5 secs ????
> >
> > Any ideas how to exit repeat very fast ???
> >
> > Thanks in advance !
> >
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Feb 23 12:38:24 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:38:24 +0200
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c3e605801420@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <200802230835.41231.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<15649932.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<p06240800c3e605801420@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <47C05A10.2030902@ekoinf.net>

We can't, dp-3 has already expired...
v.-

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> What happens when you use "check for update?"
>
>> Hi RunRev,
>>
>> why don?t all 2.9 testers get dp-4?
>>
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Feb 23 13:09:29 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:09:29 +0100
Subject: Wait with messages
In-Reply-To: <000701c87642$021f8b80$0d01a8c0@workshop>
References: <20080222132405.FY1NN.383829.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
	<C4B3A13E-FEE4-4C01-BB03-8B14A5AA30E2@economy-x-talk.com>
	<000701c87642$021f8b80$0d01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <90C0A370-0FBF-4C87-9501-847803B1C567@economy-x-talk.com>

Oh... Camm, not Curry, so sorry for that.

It is really friendly of you to thank me(?) in advance, but do you  
have any more questions or are you going to try to change your repeat  
loop now?

I don't get what you want to say by

> I thought if not checking for x after each function in the loop it  
> would
> mean 10 x 250ms wait to exit ????

Why would it mean 2500ms wait to exit and what is it? Of course, if  
you put a wait statement in your repeat loop, like

wait for 250 millisecs with messages

it will delay for 250 millics, but if you look at my example, you'll  
see that waiting with 0 millisecs is sufficient, i.e. no delay unless  
other messages are being sent (such as mouseUp).

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 23-feb-2008, om 18:31 heeft Camm29 het volgende geschreven:

> Thanks for that ,
>
> 1 is put into x within a button script on mouseup .
>
>> Why do i check (x=1) 2 times ?
>
> Well I actually check for(x=1) 10 times ?!
> I think I've missed the concept of messages
> I thought if not checking for x after each function in the loop it  
> would
> mean 10 x 250ms wait to exit ????
>
> Each do something (10 off ) in the loop retrieves different data  
> (each takes
> 250ms) via the rs232 port and displays
> on a card in real time until the stop button is pressed.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Camm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Wait with messages
>
>
>> Hi Curry,
>>
>> There might be a problem caused by the fact that the script is
>> currently running, but since I don't see how you change x, I am not
>> sure about this. Usually, I use a custom property or the hilite of a
>> button rather than a variable (which in your case seems to be set and
>> read in the same script). Also, I can imagine that waiting with
>> messages halfway the repeat loop doesn't work perfectly. I always put
>> the wait statement at the end of the loop.
>>
>> Also, the repeat loop itself doesn't run with messages. What always
>> works for me is:
>>
>> repeat forever with messages -- I rarely use forever btw
>>    if someCondition then
>>      -- do something
>>    else exit repeat
>>    wait 0 millisecs with messages
>> end repeat
>>
>> You might need to re-think the design of your repeat loop. Why do you
>> need to check x two times? Is it possible for the user to determine
>> whether s/he will click before the first or the second wait  
>> statement?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> --
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>> http://www.salery.biz
>>
>> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.
>> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>>
>>
>>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 23 13:45:28 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:45:28 -0600
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802230148x525dcf59wa80700a62c8cc586@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>	<f73a98160802221752g2079fa0eheb24d7e81f253819@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160802230148x525dcf59wa80700a62c8cc586@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C069C8.1020709@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

> So in Rev:
> 
> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
> 
> use do to run this AppleScript:
> 
> tell application "TextEdit"
>     set tText to the text of document 1
> end tell
> 
> put the result into myVariable --is now full of your pdf's text :-))))

Wow. Very cool!

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sat Feb 23 14:41:58 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:41:58 -0500
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B92ACB68-2D48-4891-BB5D-4B921B654070@comcast.net>

Thanks Richard,

I have only tried to give back what has been so freely given to me:  
The members of this list have always given me their time and patience  
freely and with out limit.

Update on me:
I had to abandon a PDF project due to other work and have not been  
able to finish it.
I have also abandoned a few other projects over the past year.

I am releasing a cross-platform iTunes Library to the members of this  
list once I finish cleaning it up a bit. Uses Revolution, Applescript  
and VBscript. Does a lot more than the standard play, pause stop. It  
actually can search the iTunes store, Create playlists, etc. The new  
version of iTunes broke a few things so I will try and clean them up  
before releasing here.

I am working on a project for inclusion on the iPhone and am using  
Revolution for the desktop prototype, very cool. I have created many  
prototypes over the past year or so and all have been successful. I  
just wish I had more time to work on my own projects (without losing  
my job of course, grin).

I am working with mashups as well and look forward to the Rev on  
Rockets tutorials coming up.

Thanks again,

Tom McGrath


On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> Probably no use to you Richard as I believe this is for personal  
>> use only as
>> it requires PDF2RTFService from Devon Systems:
>> http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html
> ...
>> So in Rev:
>> launch tFileName with "/yourHD/Applications/TextEdit.app"
>> the 8 line AppleScript looks like this:
>> 1 tell application "TextEdit"
>> 2  set theText to the text of document 1
>> 3  make new document
>> 4  set the path of document 1 to "/yourHD/Users/Shared/Untitled1.txt"
>> 5  save document 1
>> 6  close document 1
>> 7  close document 1
>> 8 end tell
>
> Wonderful!  That's actually exactly what I need, as this is just a  
> one-time tool for internal use only to help me build a textual index  
> of a collection PDF files.  Thank you for the help -- much  
> appreciated.
>
> I should also thank Tom McGrath, who kindly sent me a fully  
> functional Automator action to do that too.  It runs well but only  
> in Leopard, and it simplifies what I need to do to be able to  
> generate the paths dynamically in Rev, so the AppleScript solution  
> is a better fit for this task.  Just the same, Tom I very much  
> appreciate your taking the time to put that together.  You've always  
> been such a very helpful member of this community.
>
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Managing Editor, revJournal
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sat Feb 23 15:23:43 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:23:43 -0500
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802230148x525dcf59wa80700a62c8cc586@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BF29A7.8040702@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98160802221752g2079fa0eheb24d7e81f253819@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160802230148x525dcf59wa80700a62c8cc586@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDDFD1EB-2CD8-4298-8795-D1CA3A6D9E55@comcast.net>

That was an awesome reveal.

I wonder where else that would work. Safari ???

HHmmmm

Thanks

Tom

On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:48 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Stop the Presses!!!!
>
> I'm over the moon, I can't believe I missed this before, I can't  
> believe how
> many circles I've run, but I thought I'd have another go at trying to
> eliminating the step of creating an extra document, I want  
> AppleScript to
> talk directly to Rev, and I'VE FOUND IT :-)
>
> Read the Doc's, Read the Doc's, Read the Doc's. As bad as we  
> complain they
> are, there is still so much in there if only I took in what I read;-)
>
> Here's what the Doc's say about the 'do' command:
>
> If you use the do as OSALanguageName form, any result returned by  
> the script
> language is placed in the result.
>
> ANY result from AppleScript will be placed in Rev's 'the result'
>
> I look at AppleScript's 'Event Log' window all the time to check the
> 'Result' of each major step. The first step of my script is to put  
> the text
> of the document into a variable. is that a result?. So, out of  
> interest I
> removed all the following steps so the only step of the script was  
> to place
> the text into an AppleScript variable.
>
> Then in Rev I simply ' put the result into myVariable'. And there it  
> was,
> all the text. It's that easy!!! The only minor minor problem is that  
> in
> comes in AppleScript format, which means there are quotes around the
> content, but a quick 'put char 2 to -2' will eliminate those.
>
> So in Rev:
>
> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
>
> use do to run this AppleScript:
>
> tell application "TextEdit"
>    set tText to the text of document 1
> end tell
>
> put the result into myVariable --is now full of your pdf's text :-))))
> put char 2 to -2 of myVariable into myVariable --remove quotes
>
> you'll probably want to do another 'do' to run this AppleScript to  
> close the
> document
>
> tell application "TextEdit"
>    close document 1
>    --or if your finished with TextEdit
>    quit
>    --you will be prompted to save if there are any unsaved docs
> end tell
>
> Now to go and celebrate with some really loud Stevie Ray  
> Vaughn...The house
> is a rockin' so don't bother knockin'
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sat Feb 23 16:04:27 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:04:27 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Multi-Browser pre-alpha test release
Message-ID: <CB7602E7-6D89-46CB-B786-1BDADD7E3145@comcast.net>

I am releasing Multi-Browser, a Research tool for doing multiple web  
browsing in one window developed with Revolution as a public pre-Alpha  
release. I would appreciate any feedback from other Revolution  
developers. Please email me with comments and suggestions.

There is more information on the website concerning this release and  
features in it. Also there is a limited feature web version there as  
well.


This is a Revolution stack so you must have Revolution installed.

http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/multibrowser.html


Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at comcast.net

Lazy River Software - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 17:25:31 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:25:31 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <BDDFD1EB-2CD8-4298-8795-D1CA3A6D9E55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C3E5DD5B.4C53A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 2/23/08 12:23 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at comcast.net> wrote:
>> If you use the do as OSALanguageName form, any result returned by
>> the script
>> language is placed in the result.
>
>> ANY result from AppleScript will be placed in Rev's 'the result'

> That was an awesome reveal.
> 
> I wonder where else that would work. Safari ???

Yes, Safari.  In fact, you can use the Applescript construct to do
Javascript

tell app "Safari"
   tell document 1 to do Javascript whateverYouLike
end tell


Such as a short cut in the header that toggles the window size.  Just set
the url in the properties to do this.. but I cannot remember the exact
syntax.

I use the result from Applescript in a couple of screen-scraping apps since
altBrowser would not handle the security setup of the host servers.   Safari
did the certs, etc fine and this also allowed the use of some Javascript
functions.

By the way, does anyone know how to install just Safari and not a new
operating system on OSX?  I use Firefox, and I deleted the Safari folder
when it began to sever up blank pages no matter the url (even local files).
the software update does not do this.

Hope your Rev-Applescript-other app travels go well.

One note about the IDE and receiving Apple events.  I was able to reproduce
a bug (also reported it but it could not be reproduced).  Recipe:  make a
stack script handler to trap the appleevent message, switch to the browse
tool, then send from another program (eg Excel).  This works.  Now send more
messages from Excel and they produce nothing.  In Rev, change to the pointer
tool, then back to the browse tool, and success... but only once.

The bug was not reproduced, but then I may be the only one who experienced
this.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb 23 17:47:58 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:47:58 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
Message-ID: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
> 
> use do to run this AppleScript:
> 
> tell application "TextEdit"
>     set tText to the text of document 1
> end tell

Maybe this is another Leopard thang, I dunno, I haven't set up my test 
stack for this yet, but in Tiger I can't get Text Edit to open a PDF in 
any meaningful way; that is, it just shows the raw PDF data but doesn't 
render it.

So my question is whether TextEdit renders PDFs normally in Leopard, or 
if the behavior is the same as under Tiger then how does the "launch" 
command differ from dropping a file on the app's Dock icon?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb 23 17:53:29 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:53:29 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47C0A3E9.4050002@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> On 23 Feb 2008, at 02:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Suppose you want to display records from a database in a multi- 
>> column list field.  You'll want to keep track of the ID field, but  
>> that's just noise to the end-user so you don't want to display it.
>>
>> Currently, you'd have to parse out that column and store it in a  
>> separate field.  When the user clicks on a line in the list, you  
>> look up the corresponding line in the ID field to do whatever you  
>> need to do with that record.
>>
>> But then you want to sort the list.  So you have to recombine the ID  
>> field with the rest of the list contents, do the sort, then parse  
>> them apart again for display.
>>
>> Ugh.
> 
> Not to say this isn't a nice feature request, but removing or adding  
> columns isn't exactly the rocket science you make it out to be.

Never said it was. Not sure what that's about, unless "Ugh" is some 
acronym for the European Space Agency. ;)

I just said it was inconvenient, and not the sort of thing I want to 
spent time teaching, nor presumably how RunRev would like to see 
potential new corporate adoptees spend their time learning.

> For example:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put 1 into doNotWantColumn
>    put 2 into sortByThisColumn
>    put the data of field 1 into theData
>    sort theData by item sortByThisColumn of each
>    split theData by column
>    delete variable theData[doNotWantColumn]
>    combine theData by column
>    put theData into field 1
> end mouseUp
> 
> Obviously not as simple as not showing a column in the field, and less  
> memory efficient too, but on the plus side this is available now, and  
> most likely faster then a modified field object (everything that has  
> to do with fields is slow).

I think it would actually be the same or slower since it touches the 
field data twice and requires split and combine, which are 
computationally intensive on large data sets.

But moreover, your handler does something so very different from the
example I gave above that I'm not sure how it's relevant here.  While
three of us have explained the value of preserving data and just hiding 
it from display, if I read your handler correctly it completely deletes 
the column altogether.  If the data in this hidden columns were IDs, 
such as in the example I gave, preserving them would be critical to 
using the visible data in the field.

For performance and convenience, compare your handler to what I and the
others here are proposing with zero-width columns:

on mouseUp
   sort lines of field 1 by item 2 of each
end mouseUp

With this proposed method we touch the field data no more than yours, 
but most importantly we're preserving all of the data.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Feb 23 18:00:51 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:00:51 +1000
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF4C15.2070106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802231500u62efc7acmcc00cf84eacc15d1@mail.gmail.com>

Getting to this thread a bit late...

>  > A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even voted for
>  > one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one mobile
>  > Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are the first
>  > handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in the
>  > education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never taken off
>  > among students but these just might!

I couldn't agree more Terry. The phone manufacturers cannot understand
the lure of the iPhone and don't get the importance of the user
experience where features are very similar. The same with handhelds -
the iPhone/iPod touch make using this sort of device so much easier
and more pleasant, that I reckon such things are finally going to
become mainstream.

>  It's a tough call.  The iPhone has captured some healthy mindshare, but
>  like the Mac GUI it won't be long before its gestures (and more) are
>  simply industry standard.
>
>  And for the other capabilities, competing vendors don't have far to go.
>   I got a Palm Centro for my gal, and it's quite a powerful little
>  device.  And I have to say I prefer the tactile response of a fixed
>  keypad over the where-did-I-just-press? virtual keypad of the iPhone.
>  And ideal device may be more like the Sidekick: usable physical keypad
>  with large screen display.  Add gestures and it's an iPhone-killer.
>

Richard, a lot of the people who say they don't like the iPhone
keyboard are won over as soon as they actually use one. Have you
played with one? I have used handhelds with keyboards and I find the
iPod touch/iPhone keyboard to be enormously easier to use and more
accurate. Even typing passwords is easy as the feedback for which
button you are pressing is immediate and obvious.

As regards a Rev port, while I would love to se it happen, and hope
that the iPhone's version of OS X is similar enough to the full thing
to make such a port relatively easy, I agree that RunRev should
concentrate on the desktop version for now.

Meanwhile I am hoping to learn enough from RevOnRockets to be able to
make some simple web apps. I have already tailored some Rev-created &
updated web pages to suit but I would love to be able to make these
pages more interactive.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Feb 23 18:11:40 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:11:40 +1000
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802231511w4c2293feq92a79a9c6743c1d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Kay C Lan wrote:
>  > use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
>  >
>  > use do to run this AppleScript:
>  >
>  > tell application "TextEdit"
>  >     set tText to the text of document 1
>  > end tell
>
>  Maybe this is another Leopard thang, I dunno, I haven't set up my test
>  stack for this yet, but in Tiger I can't get Text Edit to open a PDF in
>  any meaningful way; that is, it just shows the raw PDF data but doesn't
>  render it.
>
>  So my question is whether TextEdit renders PDFs normally in Leopard, or
>  if the behavior is the same as under Tiger then how does the "launch"
>  command differ from dropping a file on the app's Dock icon?
>

Well I am using Leopard and I get the same as Richard, just a whole
heap of binary garbage. What's the trick Kay?

Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 23 18:43:57 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:43:57 -0600
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Kay C Lan wrote:
>> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
>>
>> use do to run this AppleScript:
>>
>> tell application "TextEdit"
>>     set tText to the text of document 1
>> end tell
> 
> Maybe this is another Leopard thang, I dunno, I haven't set up my test 
> stack for this yet, but in Tiger I can't get Text Edit to open a PDF in 
> any meaningful way; that is, it just shows the raw PDF data but doesn't 
> render it.
> 
> So my question is whether TextEdit renders PDFs normally in Leopard, or 
> if the behavior is the same as under Tiger then how does the "launch" 
> command differ from dropping a file on the app's Dock icon?

Do you have the PDF2RTF service installed? It's required. It's working 
for me in Tiger.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 18:51:59 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:51:59 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C3E5F19F.4C545%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>




On 2/23/08 2:47 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Kay C Lan wrote:
>> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
>> 
>> use do to run this AppleScript:
>> 
>> tell application "TextEdit"
>>     set tText to the text of document 1
>> end tell
> 
> Maybe this is another Leopard thang, I dunno, I haven't set up my test
> stack for this yet, but in Tiger I can't get Text Edit to open a PDF in
> any meaningful way; that is, it just shows the raw PDF data but doesn't
> render it.
> 
> So my question is whether TextEdit renders PDFs normally in Leopard, or
> if the behavior is the same as under Tiger then how does the "launch"
> command differ from dropping a file on the app's Dock icon?

Preview opens a PDF file, but is not directly Applescriptable, and then
using System Events is fairly difficult and time consuming.

You could open Preview, select all, copy to get the text for all the pages.
There must be a way to use system events to do the same thing.

Also, you could download a trial 30 days of Acrobat Professional and then
Applescript.  Have not done this before.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Feb 23 18:54:56 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:54:56 +1000
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802231554x7362c317t246fa8c8ffeca961@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 9:43 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  > Kay C Lan wrote:
>  >> use the launch command to force a pdf to open with TextEdit
>  >>
>  >> use do to run this AppleScript:
>  >>
>  >> tell application "TextEdit"
>  >>     set tText to the text of document 1
>  >> end tell
>  >
>  > Maybe this is another Leopard thang, I dunno, I haven't set up my test
>  > stack for this yet, but in Tiger I can't get Text Edit to open a PDF in
>  > any meaningful way; that is, it just shows the raw PDF data but doesn't
>  > render it.
>  >
>  > So my question is whether TextEdit renders PDFs normally in Leopard, or
>  > if the behavior is the same as under Tiger then how does the "launch"
>  > command differ from dropping a file on the app's Dock icon?
>
>  Do you have the PDF2RTF service installed? It's required. It's working
>  for me in Tiger.

Aaah, THAT'S the trick. Thanks Jacque.

Sarah


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb 23 19:07:03 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:07:03 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47C0B527.4060706@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Richard, a lot of the people who say they don't like the iPhone
> keyboard are won over as soon as they actually use one.

In my case it was the other way around.  After all, it's rare that Apple 
does something as completely baseless as the hockey-puck mouse, so I was 
predisposed to thinking the virtual keyboard would be easy to use.

That is, until I used it.

Not having any tactile feedback on such tiny target areas makes it very 
hard to get used to, and I hear this complaint from about half the 
iPhone owners I know, including some with rather tiny hands, so we can 
rule out hand-size being the determiner for this.

I'm not claiming my tiny sample of anecdotal input says much one way or 
another.  Simply to answer your question, I find tactile feedback very 
useful, and miss it in the iPod.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb 23 19:21:34 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:21:34 +0100
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47C0A3E9.4050002@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C0A3E9.4050002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D7AC6F30-FE91-4017-ADCC-53CBDF45EF32@mac.com>

You complain that my handler deletes the data, so it seems I wasn't  
clear enough. Obviously there's a custom property, called "data". This  
is what you use to show later parts of, or sorted stuff of, in the  
field. That is why I said "less memory efficient", because there's an  
additional property containing all the data. Sure, dividing the  
presentation from the actual data is much more work then having both  
in one, but it also gives you more control.

Again I'm not against having all the data in a field, and I never  
claimed my way of doubling everything in a cprop is simpler. But no  
matter if runrev agrees that your proposal is a nice thing to have or  
not, it isn't available now.

Also: You need to add a "set the itemDelimiter to tab" line for my  
example code to actually work.

have FUN (extra caps for extra fun)
Bj?rnke

On 23 Feb 2008, at 23:53, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Never said it was. Not sure what that's about, unless "Ugh" is some  
> acronym for the European Space Agency. ;)
>
> I just said it was inconvenient, and not the sort of thing I want to  
> spent time teaching, nor presumably how RunRev would like to see  
> potential new corporate adoptees spend their time learning.
>
>> For example:
>> on mouseUp
>>   put 1 into doNotWantColumn
>>   put 2 into sortByThisColumn
>>   put the data of field 1 into theData
>>   sort theData by item sortByThisColumn of each
>>   split theData by column
>>   delete variable theData[doNotWantColumn]
>>   combine theData by column
>>   put theData into field 1
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Obviously not as simple as not showing a column in the field, and  
>> less  memory efficient too, but on the plus side this is available  
>> now, and  most likely faster then a modified field object  
>> (everything that has  to do with fields is slow).


> But moreover, your handler does something so very different from the
> example I gave above that I'm not sure how it's relevant here.  While
> three of us have explained the value of preserving data and just  
> hiding it from display, if I read your handler correctly it  
> completely deletes the column altogether.


> For performance and convenience, compare your handler to what I and  
> the
> others here are proposing with zero-width columns:
>
> on mouseUp
>  sort lines of field 1 by item 2 of each
> end mouseUp


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Feb 23 19:56:11 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:56:11 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c3e6710c4942@[192.168.1.70]>

Works perfectly for me, Richard  10.5.2


>Maybe this is another Leopard thang, I dunno, I haven't set up my 
>test stack for this yet, but in Tiger I can't get Text Edit to open 
>a PDF in any meaningful way; that is, it just shows the raw PDF data 
>but doesn't render it.
>
>So my question is whether TextEdit renders PDFs normally in Leopard, 
>or if the behavior is the same as under Tiger then how does the 
>"launch" command differ from dropping a file on the app's Dock icon?
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat Feb 23 20:59:07 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:59:07 +0000
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <C3E5DD5B.4C53A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C3E5DD5B.4C53A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47C0CF6B.8010802@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Been there, done that... :)

Best tool for the job: Pacifist from http://www.charlessoft.com/

Download the latest OS X update (or the one containing Safari v3) direct 
from the Apple site, run Pacifist over it and slide Safari out of the 
update package.

Cheers,

Luis.



Jim Ault wrote:

> By the way, does anyone know how to install just Safari and not a new
> operating system on OSX?  I use Firefox, and I deleted the Safari folder
> when it began to sever up blank pages no matter the url (even local files).
> the software update does not do this.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat Feb 23 21:10:18 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:10:18 +0000
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47C0B527.4060706@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C0B527.4060706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <47C0D20A.2020403@anachreon.co.uk>

Just stick some bubble-wrap over the screen!

Cheers,

Luis.


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> Richard, a lot of the people who say they don't like the iPhone
>> keyboard are won over as soon as they actually use one.
> 
> In my case it was the other way around.  After all, it's rare that Apple 
> does something as completely baseless as the hockey-puck mouse, so I was 
> predisposed to thinking the virtual keyboard would be easy to use.
> 
> That is, until I used it.
> 
> Not having any tactile feedback on such tiny target areas makes it very 
> hard to get used to, and I hear this complaint from about half the 
> iPhone owners I know, including some with rather tiny hands, so we can 
> rule out hand-size being the determiner for this.
> 
> I'm not claiming my tiny sample of anecdotal input says much one way or 
> another.  Simply to answer your question, I find tactile feedback very 
> useful, and miss it in the iPod.
> 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb 23 21:37:46 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:37:46 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47C0D87A.5040800@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> You complain that my handler deletes the data, so it seems I wasn't  
> clear enough. Obviously there's a custom property, called "data". This  
> is what you use to show later parts of, or sorted stuff of, in the  
> field. That is why I said "less memory efficient", because there's an  
> additional property containing all the data. Sure, dividing the  
> presentation from the actual data is much more work then having both  
> in one, but it also gives you more control.

True, but if the object the data is stored in is part of the UI doesn't 
it obviate many of the benefits of such separation?  And if the data is 
already stored in a database or other file then that's just an extra copy.

But storage aside, if we delete the ID field from the record before we 
display it how do we know which record the user clicks on?

So in addition to adding the line of code about the itemdel, we need to 
add another which stores the sorted list back into the property before 
stripping out stuff for display, so we can later look it up in response 
to clicks.

Doable, yes, but requires a bit of forethought, strategy, and time.


> Again I'm not against having all the data in a field, and I never  
> claimed my way of doubling everything in a cprop is simpler. But no  
> matter if runrev agrees that your proposal is a nice thing to have or  
> not, it isn't available now.

As one who generally shares your interest here in focusing on immediate 
solutions, I appreciate your help with the scripting.

But stepping back to the original context of this thread, this was a 
conversation about relative ROI of proposed features, and this 
admittedly tiny feature of zero-width columns was presented in 
conjunction with independent column alignment.

The column alignment is absolutely critical for broad adoption in 
business environments. And fortunately the good folks at RunRev have 
previously acknowledged the importance of independent column alignment.

Extra bonus points that when they find themselves diving deep into the 
field object to make that happen, they'll be in a position to add 
zero-width columns for very little additional effort.

Like Linux support, this zero-width-column thang is a feature that, if 
well-timed, has an unusually high ROI because it has such an uncommonly 
low cost.

And to bring all this back to the iPhone, if the API presents a very low 
cost to port then of course it should be pursued at whatever point in 
the priority list where its ROI ranking would put it.  But the iPhone is 
not a Mac, and I suspect there will be many differences in how apps must 
be built for each.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 02:11:57 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:11:57 +1000
Subject: Rev blog
Message-ID: <f99b52860802232311kcaa5bb7l92406c39d6ef5bc9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I wanted to experiment with creating a blog and what better subject
than our favourite development tool :-) Please have a look at my new
Rev blog at <http://sarahrev.blogspot.com/>. Feel free to leave
comments, ask questions or suggest articles. I hope to create a
reasonably active blog with new entries every couple of days.

Cheers,
Sarah


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Feb 24 03:23:16 2008
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:23:16 -0800
Subject: Rev blog
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802232311kcaa5bb7l92406c39d6ef5bc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860802232311kcaa5bb7l92406c39d6ef5bc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D258187F-1943-4DFC-8D03-6ACA78F7DD07@cox.net>

Hi Sarah,

I think one important clarification should be added to the description  
of the 3 versions of Revolution on your Rev Blog, being: that the  
Media version does NOT allow the user to convert HyperCard stacks to  
Revolution stacks.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On Feb 23, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I wanted to experiment with creating a blog and what better subject
> than our favourite development tool :-) Please have a look at my new
> Rev blog at <http://sarahrev.blogspot.com/>. Feel free to leave
> comments, ask questions or suggest articles. I hope to create a
> reasonably active blog with new entries every couple of days.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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Joe Lewis Wilkins
pepetoo at cox.net





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Feb 24 03:51:10 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:51:10 +1000
Subject: Rev blog
In-Reply-To: <D258187F-1943-4DFC-8D03-6ACA78F7DD07@cox.net>
References: <f99b52860802232311kcaa5bb7l92406c39d6ef5bc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<D258187F-1943-4DFC-8D03-6ACA78F7DD07@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802240051g3ed916e5s7bea0b7ddd99e7ff@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Joe, I didn't know that, but I will add it right away.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
>  I think one important clarification should be added to the description
>  of the 3 versions of Revolution on your Rev Blog, being: that the
>  Media version does NOT allow the user to convert HyperCard stacks to
>  Revolution stacks.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Joe Wilkins
>
>
>
>  On Feb 23, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>  > Hi everyone,
>  >
>  > I wanted to experiment with creating a blog and what better subject
>  > than our favourite development tool :-) Please have a look at my new
>  > Rev blog at <http://sarahrev.blogspot.com/>. Feel free to leave
>  > comments, ask questions or suggest articles. I hope to create a
>  > reasonably active blog with new entries every couple of days.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Sarah
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > use-revolution mailing list
>  > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>  > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>  > subscription preferences:
>  > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>  Joe Lewis Wilkins
>  pepetoo at cox.net
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  use-revolution mailing list
>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sun Feb 24 08:01:53 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:01:53 +0200
Subject: OT: New threat to our way of life: giant pythons
In-Reply-To: <fpnku9$ilm$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <fpnku9$ilm$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <47C16AC1.7070406@ekoinf.net>

Hi Mark,

invasive alien species are an increasing problem globally. Species that 
were introduced deliberately or accidentally into new areas now have 
more chances to adopt and survive also because of the global climate 
change. Not all species are as bad, some are endangered, but some are 
nasty indeed causing damage to natural ecosystems, human health or 
economies. For example there are around 10 000 species like this in 
Europe that counts to 45 000 distinct introduction events. If you are 
interested in this topic you can visit www.europe-aliens.org and take a 
look at the poster presented in the conference  "Biological invasions in 
Europe and the DAISIE initiative - current threats and future 
perspectives" at
http://ekoinf.net/daisie/poster_easd_overview.ppt, ~3 Mb.

Actually this is not a big OT, because Revolution was used extensively 
and intensively to create the European Alien Species Database and data 
exploration tools to be released for public access in 2009 (database is 
still being polished, besides scientists wanted to make all their 
relevant publications before the database content is completely 
exposed). I will be taking that poster to at least 3 other conferences, 
so Revolution will get its exposure there too :-).

Some facts on the best known aliens... Freshwater bivalve mollusk 
Dreisenna polymorpha caused huge losses in the USA by clogging water 
intake/release pipes and other submerged structures in Great Lakes. A 
tiny crustacean Cercopagis pengoi upon its arrival to the Baltic sea 
caused what was called "nets plaque" nearly destroying marine coastal 
fishery business in a few European countries at the turn of XX / XXI 
centuries. Xilophagous mollusk Teredo navalis destroyed nearly all 
wooden constructions in San Francisco bay in the beginning of XX century 
causing loses as high as 200 000 000 dollars in just one year. And very 
recently documented new invader Mnemiopsis leyidyi is a major threat to 
fish resources in the Baltic sea, because it preys upon juvenile fish 
and has no natural enemies. This really beautiful creature already 
caused collapse of fisheries when it invaded the Black sea some time ago.

More facts (from other projects):
http://www.nobanis.org/files/factsheets/Teredo_navalis.pdf
http://www.nobanis.org/files/factsheets/cercopagis_pengoi.pdf
http://www.nobanis.org/files/factsheets/Craspedacusta_sowerbyi.pdf
http://www.nobanis.org/files/factsheets/Anguilicola_crassus.pdf
http://www.nobanis.org/files/factsheets/Marenzelleria_neglecta.pdf
http://www.nobanis.org/files/factsheets/Heracleum%20sosnowskyi.pdf

and some videos (not mine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVWpdVhY4Bs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mi5NPbKLcQ&feature=related

All the best!
Viktoras

Mark Wieder wrote:
> No on-topic content, but it's Friday on my planet and I just had to share 
> this gem:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/MNABV5PP3.DTL
>
>   



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 24 11:28:03 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:28:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Multi-Browser pre-alpha test release
In-Reply-To: <CB7602E7-6D89-46CB-B786-1BDADD7E3145@comcast.net>
References: <CB7602E7-6D89-46CB-B786-1BDADD7E3145@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <15665987.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Thomas, 

Here, in a Windows XP box, the web browsers works great.
Tested with StackRunner 1.7, but does not work inside RR 2.8.1.

Notice that web browser window have a fixed size, so it?s difficult to
use in smaller screen sizes like 1024x768.

alejandro 


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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sun Feb 24 11:53:09 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:53:09 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Multi-Browser pre-alpha test release
In-Reply-To: <15665987.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <CB7602E7-6D89-46CB-B786-1BDADD7E3145@comcast.net>
	<15665987.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <90F718A8-7BB1-4AE5-B1C5-EF13D12C5699@comcast.net>

Thanks Alejandro,

The Win XP issue might be because I was using RR 2.9 (beta). I am  
having problems with 2.9 anyway so I think I will open this stack in  
2.8.1 and see if it has the same problems and then upload a new stack.

Also, I am working now on the resizing of the windows since I made  
them so large here on my 23" display. (grin)
The contents of the browser windows when resizing seem to create  
problems but I am digging deep to see about fixes.

Thanks for the alpha look. I will notify on update.


Thanks again,

Tom

On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, capellan wrote:

>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Here, in a Windows XP box, the web browsers works great.
> Tested with StackRunner 1.7, but does not work inside RR 2.8.1.
>
> Notice that web browser window have a fixed size, so it?s difficult to
> use in smaller screen sizes like 1024x768.
>
> alejandro



From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Sun Feb 24 12:27:10 2008
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:27:10 -0600
Subject: Weird Behavior
Message-ID: <C3E7050F.D937%jrvalent@wisc.edu>

 I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard (10.5.2).
Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't
understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others. For
example, in the following script, which simply clears a field:

ON mouseUp
    IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
        answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
        IF it is "Yes" THEN
            put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
        END IF
    ELSE
        answer "The note field is already empty."
    END IF
END mouseUp

 In running the script, field "notes_note" is recognized in the IF
statement, but I get an error message "Chunk: no such object" when I run the
script, at the line that says "put empty into fld "notes_note". Anyone know
what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more than at
other times.

rand valentine





From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sun Feb 24 12:31:09 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:31:09 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Multi-Browser pre-alpha test release
In-Reply-To: <15665987.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <CB7602E7-6D89-46CB-B786-1BDADD7E3145@comcast.net>
	<15665987.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D13A8620-8A22-4479-8831-F0F2187AE699@comcast.net>

I have saved a new version in RR 2.8.1 to see if it will open in RR on  
Win XP:

http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/multibrowser.html

Or you can try to open this from the message box within RR.

go URL "http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/MultiBrowser.rev"

I hope this works.

Tom

On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, capellan wrote:

>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Here, in a Windows XP box, the web browsers works great.
> Tested with StackRunner 1.7, but does not work inside RR 2.8.1.
>
> Notice that web browser window have a fixed size, so it?s difficult to
> use in smaller screen sizes like 1024x768.
>
> alejandro



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Feb 24 12:33:40 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:33:40 -0800
Subject: Weird Behavior
Message-ID: <47C1AA74.3050904@fourthworld.com>

rand valentine wrote:
>  I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard (10.5.2).
> Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't
> understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others. For
> example, in the following script, which simply clears a field:
> 
> ON mouseUp
>     IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>         answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>         IF it is "Yes" THEN
>             put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>         END IF
>     ELSE
>         answer "The note field is already empty."
>     END IF
> END mouseUp
> 
>  In running the script, field "notes_note" is recognized in the IF
> statement, but I get an error message "Chunk: no such object" when I run the
> script, at the line that says "put empty into fld "notes_note". Anyone know
> what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more than at
> other times.

I remember seeing some discussion of circumstances in which the ask and 
answer dialogs would alter the execution context, resulting in the 
symptoms you describe.

Whether that's happening here I can't say; I don't recall the specifics.

Anyone here know more about the ask/answer context issue, and whether 
that may be the culprit here?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Sun Feb 24 12:34:35 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:34:35 -0500
Subject: Weird Behavior
In-Reply-To: <C3E7050F.D937%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
References: <C3E7050F.D937%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <21A2C935-D4BA-4E49-BEBD-BA6657931162@comcast.net>

Try adding the grp name when in a group

> ON mouseUp
>    IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>        answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>        IF it is "Yes" THEN


put empty into fld "notes_note" of grp "theGroupNameGoesHere"

>   END IF
> END mouseUp



HTHs

Tom McGrath

On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:27 PM, rand valentine wrote:

> I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard  
> (10.5.2).
> Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't
> understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others.  
> For
> example, in the following script, which simply clears a field:
>
> ON mouseUp
>    IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>        answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>        IF it is "Yes" THEN
>            put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>        END IF
>    ELSE
>        answer "The note field is already empty."
>    END IF
> END mouseUp
>
> In running the script, field "notes_note" is recognized in the IF
> statement, but I get an error message "Chunk: no such object" when I  
> run the
> script, at the line that says "put empty into fld "notes_note".  
> Anyone know
> what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more  
> than at
> other times.
>
> rand valentine
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Sun Feb 24 12:40:10 2008
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:40:10 -0600
Subject: re; weird behavior
Message-ID: <C3E7081A.D93C%jrvalent@wisc.edu>

>  I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard (10.5.2).
> Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't
> understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others. For
> example, in the following script, which simply clears a field:
> 
> ON mouseUp
>     IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>         answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>         IF it is "Yes" THEN
>             put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>         END IF
>     ELSE
>         answer "The note field is already empty."
>     END IF
> END mouseUp
> 
>  In running the script, field "notes_note" is recognized in the IF
> statement, but I get an error message "Chunk: no such object" when I run the
> script, at the line that says "put empty into fld "notes_note". Anyone know
> what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more than at
> other times.

I remember seeing some discussion of circumstances in which the ask and
answer dialogs would alter the execution context, resulting in the
symptoms you describe.

Whether that's happening here I can't say; I don't recall the specifics.

Anyone here know more about the ask/answer context issue, and whether
that may be the culprit here?

-- 

 Yes, if I remove the answer dialogue, then the script runs just fine. How
does one get around this bug?

rv




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Feb 24 12:57:22 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:57:22 -0800
Subject: re; weird behavior
Message-ID: <47C1B002.7030908@fourthworld.com>

rand valentine wrote:
>>  I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard (10.5.2).
>> Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't
>> understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others. For
>> example, in the following script, which simply clears a field:
>> 
>> ON mouseUp
>>     IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>>         answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>>         IF it is "Yes" THEN
>>             put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>>         END IF
>>     ELSE
>>         answer "The note field is already empty."
>>     END IF
>> END mouseUp
>> 
>>  In running the script, field "notes_note" is recognized in the IF
>> statement, but I get an error message "Chunk: no such object" when I run the
>> script, at the line that says "put empty into fld "notes_note". Anyone know
>> what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more than at
>> other times.
> 
> I remember seeing some discussion of circumstances in which the ask and
> answer dialogs would alter the execution context, resulting in the
> symptoms you describe.
> 
> Whether that's happening here I can't say; I don't recall the specifics.
> 
> Anyone here know more about the ask/answer context issue, and whether
> that may be the culprit here?
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Yes, if I remove the answer dialogue, then the script runs just fine. How
> does one get around this bug?

For now:

     put the defaultStack into tSaveStack
     answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
     put it into tVal
     set the defaultStack to tSaveStack
     IF tVal is "Yes" THEN
         put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
     END IF


For all mankind:

It's really kinda dumb if we need to save and restore the defaultStack 
for ask/answer dialogs.  Does anyone here know the RQQC# for this issue, 
and has it been confirmed fixed as of v2.9DP4?


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Sun Feb 24 13:31:16 2008
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:31:16 -0600
Subject: weird behavior
Message-ID: <C3E71414.D940%jrvalent@wisc.edu>

>>  Yes, if I remove the answer dialogue, then the script runs just fine. How
>> does one get around this bug?
> 
> For now:
> 
>      put the defaultStack into tSaveStack
>      answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>      put it into tVal
>      set the defaultStack to tSaveStack
>      IF tVal is "Yes" THEN
>          put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>      END IF
> 
> 
> For all mankind:
> 
> It's really kinda dumb if we need to save and restore the defaultStack
> for ask/answer dialogs.  Does anyone here know the RQQC# for this issue,
> and has it been confirmed fixed as of v2.9DP4?
> 

  The "for now" script offered above solves the problem. And also, I notice
that things work fine in StackRunner, without saving the defaultStack in the
script. Thanks.

rv




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Feb 24 13:49:09 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:49:09 -0800
Subject: weird behavior
Message-ID: <47C1BC25.30407@fourthworld.com>

rand valentine wrote:

>>>  Yes, if I remove the answer dialogue, then the script runs just fine. How
>>> does one get around this bug?
>> 
>> For now:
>> 
>>      put the defaultStack into tSaveStack
>>      answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>>      put it into tVal
>>      set the defaultStack to tSaveStack
>>      IF tVal is "Yes" THEN
>>          put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>>      END IF
>> 
>> 
>> For all mankind:
>> 
>> It's really kinda dumb if we need to save and restore the defaultStack
>> for ask/answer dialogs.  Does anyone here know the RQQC# for this issue,
>> and has it been confirmed fixed as of v2.9DP4?
>> 
> 
>   The "for now" script offered above solves the problem. And also, I notice
> that things work fine in StackRunner, without saving the defaultStack in the
> script. Thanks.

Good to know.  Now we just need to determine if the difference between 
SR and Rev is the engine or the dialogs.

Which version of SR are you running?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sun Feb 24 13:53:23 2008
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:53:23 -0800
Subject: Weird Behavior
In-Reply-To: <21A2C935-D4BA-4E49-BEBD-BA6657931162@comcast.net>
References: <C3E7050F.D937%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
	<21A2C935-D4BA-4E49-BEBD-BA6657931162@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CACD766D-BFAE-4663-BA56-D24BA2F74DC8@cruzio.com>

I've taken to doing Tom's suggestion all the time (adding the group  
name) and it seems to keep things moving along for me.

Mark


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Try adding the grp name when in a group
>
>> ON mouseUp
>>   IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>>       answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>>       IF it is "Yes" THEN
>
>
> put empty into fld "notes_note" of grp "theGroupNameGoesHere"
>
>>  END IF
>> END mouseUp
>
>
>
> HTHs
>
> Tom McGrath
>
> On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:27 PM, rand valentine wrote:
>
>> I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard  
>> (10.5.2).
>> Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't
>> understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others.  
>> For
>> example, in the following script, which simply clears a field:
>>
>> ON mouseUp
>>   IF fld "notes_note" is not empty THEN
>>       answer "Really clear?" with "Cancel" OR "Yes"
>>       IF it is "Yes" THEN
>>           put empty into fld "notes_note" -- "notes_note"
>>       END IF
>>   ELSE
>>       answer "The note field is already empty."
>>   END IF
>> END mouseUp
>>
>> In running the script, field "notes_note" is recognized in the IF
>> statement, but I get an error message "Chunk: no such object" when  
>> I run the
>> script, at the line that says "put empty into fld "notes_note".  
>> Anyone know
>> what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more  
>> than at
>> other times.
>>
>> rand valentine
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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Thanks,
Mark





From engleerica at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 24 14:17:30 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:17:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: beta testing 2.9
In-Reply-To: <20080224180005.3206A4897BF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <167980.28071.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

sorry to nag; am I meant to download 2.9 for beta
testing somewhere? Where?

I mean, I'm assuming it's got the scriptLimit set to 5
or 10 lines. It's mostly the UI that interests me.

Maybe I've misunderstood something?

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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Feb 24 14:29:10 2008
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:29:10 +0100
Subject: beta testing 2.9
In-Reply-To: <167980.28071.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <167980.28071.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1426616A-58F9-4170-8C9A-5E1B15B2EB42@mac.com>

There seems to be a problem with the beta mailings, namely that they  
didn't get sent. I assume that somebody who works for RunRev will  
handle it tomorrow, during business hours.

have fun
Bj?rnke

On 24 Feb 2008, at 20:17, Eric A. Engle wrote:

> sorry to nag; am I meant to download 2.9 for beta
> testing somewhere? Where?
>
> I mean, I'm assuming it's got the scriptLimit set to 5
> or 10 lines. It's mostly the UI that interests me.
>
> Maybe I've misunderstood something?

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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Feb 24 16:10:36 2008
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:10:36 -1000
Subject: OT Recommendations on Midi Keyboard 32-37 key- semi-weighted
Message-ID: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>

We're in the market for a new small USB midi-keyboard.

this will be used to "document" simple song tunes... I only need 32-37 
keys to get to G below Middle C and E above...that's enough for the 
average vocal range.

I'm interested in anyone's recommendations on brand... not necessarily 
features: something solid, well built, I look for "trouble free, doesn't 
break" first... semi-weighted keys preferred.

e.g. the

Edirol PCR-300 32-Key USB/MIDI Keyboard Controller

Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard 
<http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2004/01/29/korg-microkontrol-37-key-usb-controller-keyboard/>

look good but  are way over kill for my needs as we don't really intend 
to make music with this thing... I just want to set Garage band to  
"Bamboo flute" and tap in some simple tunes to nail down  melodic lines.

I would like to get in at around $150.00 if there's anything in that 
price range that is decently built. I don't need a wide range of 
controllers.

On the other hand if < $200.00 only buys trouble, we don't want to go there.

Email me off list if you have any recommendations for an inexpensive but 
still solid midi input key board that will work on a Mac with Garage Band...


Thanks!

Sivakatirswami





From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 24 16:30:33 2008
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:30:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Multi-Browser pre-alpha test release
In-Reply-To: <D13A8620-8A22-4479-8831-F0F2187AE699@comcast.net>
References: <CB7602E7-6D89-46CB-B786-1BDADD7E3145@comcast.net>
	<15665987.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<D13A8620-8A22-4479-8831-F0F2187AE699@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <15669629.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Thomas,

This new version works great in RR 2.8.1 and StackRunner 1.7
in Windows XP. When you publish a 1024x768 version, i will test
all the features.

Keep up your good Work! :-)

alejandro
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From mickclns at mac.com  Sun Feb 24 17:27:38 2008
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:27:38 -0500
Subject: Rev Blog
Message-ID: <1161026E-3728-4B3B-BEA1-D8FA58647128@mac.com>

Hi, Sarah, great idea.  I have only one suggestion, based on my  
confusion when I first read it.

Early in the description of Rev you say:
  Revolution Enterprise is the same as Studio but with access to pre- 
release versions as well as the ability to develop on multiple  
platforms (a Studio license allows you to develop on a single platform).

I would add something like, in the parentheses,  ... single platform,  
although you can develop FOR multiple platforms)

We don't want to turn anyone away who can't afford Enterprise to  
start, doesn't need to be able to develop on multiple platforms, but  
does want to DEPLOY on multiple platforms.  I realize you say that  
later, but ...

All success!

    -  Mick


Message: 20
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:11:57 +1000
From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
Subject: Rev blog
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID:
	<f99b52860802232311kcaa5bb7l92406c39d6ef5bc9 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi everyone,

I wanted to experiment with creating a blog and what better subject
than our favourite development tool :-) Please have a look at my new
Rev blog at <http://sarahrev.blogspot.com/>. Feel free to leave
comments, ask questions or suggest articles. I hope to create a
reasonably active blog with new entries every couple of days.

Cheers,
Sarah




From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Sun Feb 24 18:59:03 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:59:03 -0500
Subject: Stop accepting connections?
References: <70AE39FB-5E11-4460-8910-A47114A3C88E@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <50694B97-C1A2-4FA2-B91B-63214990F61C@rpsystems.net>


It seems that once I open a socket for connections, I've had problems  
closing that socket without doing a "resetAll", which I need to avoid.  
Am I missing something simple? "stop accepting connections" or  
something?

Ideally, I want only 1 connection made. so I was hoping to "accept"  
until that connection is made, then stop accepting new connections,  
but maintain the first connection (which resetALL would kill.)

TIA for setting me straight on that.

--
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RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Feb 24 19:01:49 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:01:49 +0100
Subject: Stop accepting connections?
In-Reply-To: <50694B97-C1A2-4FA2-B91B-63214990F61C@rpsystems.net>
References: <70AE39FB-5E11-4460-8910-A47114A3C88E@rpsystems.net>
	<50694B97-C1A2-4FA2-B91B-63214990F61C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <3BF54304-DB94-497A-B986-657461A4BB26@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Troy,

At the end of the script that handles an incoming connection, put:

   close socket 8080

or whatever port number you are using.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 25 feb 2008, om 00:59 heeft Troy Rollins het volgende geschreven:

>
> It seems that once I open a socket for connections, I've had  
> problems closing that socket without doing a "resetAll", which I  
> need to avoid. Am I missing something simple? "stop accepting  
> connections" or something?
>
> Ideally, I want only 1 connection made. so I was hoping to "accept"  
> until that connection is made, then stop accepting new connections,  
> but maintain the first connection (which resetALL would kill.)
>
> TIA for setting me straight on that.
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net



From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Sun Feb 24 19:11:03 2008
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:11:03 -0600
Subject: can't find object messages
Message-ID: <C3E763B7.D949%jrvalent@wisc.edu>

 Using Studio 2.8.1 on an intel MacBook Pro with 4gb memory, Leopard 10.5.2.
I wrote earlier about having problems with a handler not being able to
"find" something on the card I execute from, and someone wrote saying that
this was related to a problem with ask and answer dialogs. Now I find the
same problem occurring in a script that doesn't have an ask or answer
dialog. And the script runs without error when I don't have a breakpoint
inserted, but reports a bug when I insert a breakpoint and try to step
through it. But it's obvious that the script is not executing properly,
because some of its instructions are not being carried out (this is what led
me to investigate it). Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix it?
Thanks.

rand valentine




From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Sun Feb 24 19:18:49 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:18:49 -0500
Subject: Stop accepting connections?
In-Reply-To: <3BF54304-DB94-497A-B986-657461A4BB26@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <70AE39FB-5E11-4460-8910-A47114A3C88E@rpsystems.net>
	<50694B97-C1A2-4FA2-B91B-63214990F61C@rpsystems.net>
	<3BF54304-DB94-497A-B986-657461A4BB26@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <2B6B2859-EE04-4254-A342-7FBEAD3F14C6@rpsystems.net>


On Feb 24, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> At the end of the script that handles an incoming connection, put:
>
>  close socket 8080
>
> or whatever port number you are using.

Thanks Mark.

I think I had done something like that already, and then found that a  
connection could still be made.

I'll test with this again.

--
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RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Feb 24 19:21:05 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:21:05 +0100
Subject: can't find object messages
In-Reply-To: <C3E763B7.D949%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
References: <C3E763B7.D949%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <9CD58106-014B-4081-AAB4-8D6476D289B9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Rand,

You are dealing with two problems that have nothing to do with each  
other. A problem in your script and a problem in the debugger. I hope  
that the problem in the debugger will be fixed when 2.9 is released.

Maybe we can find the problem in your script if you post the script  
here.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 25 feb 2008, om 01:11 heeft rand valentine het volgende geschreven:

> Using Studio 2.8.1 on an intel MacBook Pro with 4gb memory, Leopard  
> 10.5.2.
> I wrote earlier about having problems with a handler not being able to
> "find" something on the card I execute from, and someone wrote  
> saying that
> this was related to a problem with ask and answer dialogs. Now I  
> find the
> same problem occurring in a script that doesn't have an ask or answer
> dialog. And the script runs without error when I don't have a  
> breakpoint
> inserted, but reports a bug when I insert a breakpoint and try to step
> through it. But it's obvious that the script is not executing  
> properly,
> because some of its instructions are not being carried out (this is  
> what led
> me to investigate it). Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix it?
> Thanks.
>
> rand valentine
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Feb 24 19:23:31 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:23:31 +0100
Subject: Stop accepting connections?
In-Reply-To: <2B6B2859-EE04-4254-A342-7FBEAD3F14C6@rpsystems.net>
References: <70AE39FB-5E11-4460-8910-A47114A3C88E@rpsystems.net>
	<50694B97-C1A2-4FA2-B91B-63214990F61C@rpsystems.net>
	<3BF54304-DB94-497A-B986-657461A4BB26@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2B6B2859-EE04-4254-A342-7FBEAD3F14C6@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <39DC1DE4-0A00-44EB-970D-DD4D581B1EB9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Troy,

Probably, you closed the socket that is created when the client  
connects to your server, which is of the form "123.123.123.123:1234",  
while the socket you need to close to disable any firther connections  
is just an integer, without the IP address.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 25 feb 2008, om 01:18 heeft Troy Rollins het volgende geschreven:
>
> Thanks Mark.
>
> I think I had done something like that already, and then found that  
> a connection could still be made.
>
> I'll test with this again.
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net



From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Sun Feb 24 19:33:22 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:33:22 -0500
Subject: Stop accepting connections?
In-Reply-To: <39DC1DE4-0A00-44EB-970D-DD4D581B1EB9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <70AE39FB-5E11-4460-8910-A47114A3C88E@rpsystems.net>
	<50694B97-C1A2-4FA2-B91B-63214990F61C@rpsystems.net>
	<3BF54304-DB94-497A-B986-657461A4BB26@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2B6B2859-EE04-4254-A342-7FBEAD3F14C6@rpsystems.net>
	<39DC1DE4-0A00-44EB-970D-DD4D581B1EB9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <40C0CC0E-14B1-4B1D-8A03-BDFFB3151358@rpsystems.net>


On Feb 24, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Probably, you closed the socket that is created when the client  
> connects to your server, which is of the form  
> "123.123.123.123:1234", while the socket you need to close to  
> disable any firther connections is just an integer, without the IP  
> address.

Looking back through an archive of my code, I believe you are right.  
I'm updating now to test it revised.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Sun Feb 24 23:14:07 2008
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:14:07 -0600
Subject: no defaultstack
Message-ID: <C3E79CAF.D950%jrvalent@wisc.edu>

 I'm using Rev 2.8.1 Studio, MacBook Pro, 4gb memory, Leopard, and now
Revolution does not recognize the card or stack that I'm in when I execute a
script. So every field reference must be specified for the card it's on and
the stack it's in, i.e., one can't just designate:

fld "whichField"

 rather it must be

fld "whichField" of cd "whichCard" of stack "whichStack"

 I've been playing with setting the defaultstack to the toplevel stack, but
that doesn't seem to help.

 Any way to fix this? Thanks.

rand valentine




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 00:02:27 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:02:27 -0800
Subject: no defaultstack
In-Reply-To: <C3E79CAF.D950%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <C3E78BE3.4C586%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hmmm, based on my last 4 years experience with Rev, this does not make
sense,  so I really hope you get to the bottom of strange behavior.  Let's
hope that it does not  require some work-around.

>From your description below, there is not enough info to help you.

It sounds as if the field is inside a group and thus not in the direct
message hierarchy, or some other interference, such as a front script.

Try adding the same handler to several script containers to see if the
message path is really working like you think... such as


card script, each stack script, fld script, btn script
on mouseDoubleUp
   global gMessageTrail
   put the long id of me & cr after gMessageTrail
   pass mouseDoubleUp
end mouseDoubleUp

The sequence of handlers will be stored in the variable gMessageTrail, which
will appear in the Variable Watcher stack even if you are not debugging a
script.  Or you can use the message box to :
put gMessageTrail

(note:  before doing the mouseup test, use the message box to:)
put empty into gMessageTrail

I do hope you find the answer and let us know.

On 2/24/08 8:14 PM, "rand valentine" <jrvalent at wisc.edu> wrote:

>  I'm using Rev 2.8.1 Studio, MacBook Pro, 4gb memory, Leopard, and now
> Revolution does not recognize the card or stack that I'm in when I execute a
> script. So every field reference must be specified for the card it's on and
> the stack it's in, i.e., one can't just designate:
> 
> fld "whichField"
> 
>  rather it must be
> 
> fld "whichField" of cd "whichCard" of stack "whichStack"
> 
>  I've been playing with setting the defaultstack to the toplevel stack, but
> that doesn't seem to help.
> 
>  Any way to fix this? Thanks.




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 25 05:40:09 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:40:09 +0100
Subject: no defaultstack
In-Reply-To: <C3E79CAF.D950%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
References: <C3E79CAF.D950%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <1B2A62EC-B935-44B8-868D-71782AF7316C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Rand,

Change your script to put the name of the defaultStack into the  
message box:

set the defaultStack to the topstack
put the defaultStack --> what do you get?

also, what do you get if you click in your stack and run the following  
in your message box:

put the name of the topstack

and finally, try

put the mode of stack <put the name of your stack here>

What does it return?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 25 feb 2008, om 05:14 heeft rand valentine het volgende geschreven:

> I'm using Rev 2.8.1 Studio, MacBook Pro, 4gb memory, Leopard, and now
> Revolution does not recognize the card or stack that I'm in when I  
> execute a
> script. So every field reference must be specified for the card it's  
> on and
> the stack it's in, i.e., one can't just designate:
>
> fld "whichField"
>
> rather it must be
>
> fld "whichField" of cd "whichCard" of stack "whichStack"
>
> I've been playing with setting the defaultstack to the toplevel  
> stack, but
> that doesn't seem to help.
>
> Any way to fix this? Thanks.
>
> rand valentine
>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 05:46:27 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:46:27 +1000
Subject: OT Recommendations on Midi Keyboard 32-37 key- semi-weighted
In-Reply-To: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>
References: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802250246v16f954f6qeede7eed03fa3798@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> We're in the market for a new small USB midi-keyboard.
>
>  this will be used to "document" simple song tunes... I only need 32-37
>  keys to get to G below Middle C and E above...that's enough for the
>  average vocal range.
>
>  I'm interested in anyone's recommendations on brand... not necessarily
>  features: something solid, well built, I look for "trouble free, doesn't
>  break" first... semi-weighted keys preferred.
>

We have an M-Audio Keystation 49e
<http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Keystation49e-main.html> which
connects directly to Garage Band. My eldest son also uses it with
Finale to compose music. It hasn't got a lot of features, 49 keys, but
the keys feel solid and it works well.

Cheers,
Sarah


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Feb 25 07:47:27 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:47:27 -0600
Subject: OT Recommendations on Midi Keyboard 32-37 key- semi-weighted
In-Reply-To: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>
References: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <47C2B8DF.6080901@crcom.net>

Look at m-Audio's products (especially the Oxygen line of controllers).  
m-audio.com.  My recording studio has lots of m-audio equipment and I 
never have a problem with it.

Len

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> We're in the market for a new small USB midi-keyboard.
>
> this will be used to "document" simple song tunes... I only need 32-37 
> keys to get to G below Middle C and E above...that's enough for the 
> average vocal range.
>
> I'm interested in anyone's recommendations on brand... not necessarily 
> features: something solid, well built, I look for "trouble free, 
> doesn't break" first... semi-weighted keys preferred.
>
> e.g. the
>
> Edirol PCR-300 32-Key USB/MIDI Keyboard Controller
>
> Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard 
> <http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2004/01/29/korg-microkontrol-37-key-usb-controller-keyboard/> 
>
>
> look good but  are way over kill for my needs as we don't really 
> intend to make music with this thing... I just want to set Garage band 
> to  "Bamboo flute" and tap in some simple tunes to nail down  melodic 
> lines.
>
> I would like to get in at around $150.00 if there's anything in that 
> price range that is decently built. I don't need a wide range of 
> controllers.
>
> On the other hand if < $200.00 only buys trouble, we don't want to go 
> there.
>
> Email me off list if you have any recommendations for an inexpensive 
> but still solid midi input key board that will work on a Mac with 
> Garage Band...
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Feb 25 07:50:06 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:50:06 -0600
Subject: OT Recommendations on Midi Keyboard 32-37 key- semi-weighted
In-Reply-To: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>
References: <47C1DD4C.9000809@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <47C2B97E.9030509@crcom.net>

Specifically, the m-audio Keystation 49e.  49 keys semiweighted. $129.99

len



Sivakatirswami wrote:
> We're in the market for a new small USB midi-keyboard.
>
> this will be used to "document" simple song tunes... I only need 32-37 
> keys to get to G below Middle C and E above...that's enough for the 
> average vocal range.
>
> I'm interested in anyone's recommendations on brand... not necessarily 
> features: something solid, well built, I look for "trouble free, 
> doesn't break" first... semi-weighted keys preferred.
>
> e.g. the
>
> Edirol PCR-300 32-Key USB/MIDI Keyboard Controller
>
> Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard 
> <http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2004/01/29/korg-microkontrol-37-key-usb-controller-keyboard/> 
>
>
> look good but  are way over kill for my needs as we don't really 
> intend to make music with this thing... I just want to set Garage band 
> to  "Bamboo flute" and tap in some simple tunes to nail down  melodic 
> lines.
>
> I would like to get in at around $150.00 if there's anything in that 
> price range that is decently built. I don't need a wide range of 
> controllers.
>
> On the other hand if < $200.00 only buys trouble, we don't want to go 
> there.
>
> Email me off list if you have any recommendations for an inexpensive 
> but still solid midi input key board that will work on a Mac with 
> Garage Band...
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
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From kevin at stallibrass.com  Mon Feb 25 08:25:16 2008
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:25:16 -0000
Subject: Belated Thankyou
Message-ID: <000001c877b1$dd3c4350$97b4c9f0$@com>

Hi, 

I posted a question end of last year and thought that no one had replied.
Although I was watching carefully for a reply, I missed one from Jan
Schenkel which I have just stumbled upon. This gives me the solution I was
after so thank you Jan

 

Jan Wrote:

 

 

> Hi,

> 

> I've build a standalone which simply adds a new line

> of text to a file

> located on an ftp site, then displays the entire

> file in a text box. 

> 

> It works fine but when I close the application,

> windows holds on to the

> process and I have to force quit it via task

> manager.

> 

> [snip]  

> 

> Regards

> 

> Kevin Stallibrass

> 

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Revolution doesn't automatically quit when the alst

window is closed, if there are any 'pendingMessages' -

these are messages that are put onto the event queue

to be executed at a later time:

    send "TickleMePink" to me in 10 seconds

Are you using any 'send in <time>' constructs?

 

If your application is just one window, you can make

your life easy and add the following message handler

to your stack script:

##

on closeStack

  -- we don't want to quit when we close the window

inside the IDE

  if the environment is not "development" then

    quit

  end if

end closeStack

##

 

This way, when your stack window is closed, the engine

will effectively quit, even if there are pending

messages.

 

Hope this helped,

 

Jan Schenkel

 

 

 

 



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Feb 25 10:57:58 2008
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:57:58 -0800
Subject: Belated Thankyou
In-Reply-To: <000001c877b1$dd3c4350$97b4c9f0$@com>
References: <000001c877b1$dd3c4350$97b4c9f0$@com>
Message-ID: <9DCB4DFE-70B7-407A-AE66-07DA5C298BC6@cox.net>

Greetings, Kevin,

That's nice to know, since I often wonder about such things as I'm  
culling through all of my spam. (smile) It is pretty rare that  
anything totally escapes this list un-responded to. Now and then one  
needs to repost, but rarely. Frankly, my only complaint is that some  
of us are just a bit too verbose. (bigger smile) Am I the "pot"?

Joe Wilkins


On Feb 25, 2008, at 5:25 AM, Kevin Stallibrass wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I posted a question end of last year and thought that no one had  
> replied.
> Although I was watching carefully for a reply, I missed one from Jan
> Schenkel which I have just stumbled upon. This gives me the solution  
> I was
> after so thank you Jan
>
>
>
> Jan Wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>
>>
>
>> I've build a standalone which simply adds a new line
>
>> of text to a file
>
>> located on an ftp site, then displays the entire
>
>> file in a text box.
>
>>
>
>> It works fine but when I close the application,
>
>> windows holds on to the
>
>> process and I have to force quit it via task
>
>> manager.
>
>>
>
>> [snip]
>
>>
>
>> Regards
>
>>
>
>> Kevin Stallibrass
>
>>
>
>
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
>
>
> Revolution doesn't automatically quit when the alst
>
> window is closed, if there are any 'pendingMessages' -
>
> these are messages that are put onto the event queue
>
> to be executed at a later time:
>
>    send "TickleMePink" to me in 10 seconds
>
> Are you using any 'send in <time>' constructs?
>
>
>
> If your application is just one window, you can make
>
> your life easy and add the following message handler
>
> to your stack script:
>
> ##
>
> on closeStack
>
>  -- we don't want to quit when we close the window
>
> inside the IDE
>
>  if the environment is not "development" then
>
>    quit
>
>  end if
>
> end closeStack
>
> ##
>
>
>
> This way, when your stack window is closed, the engine
>
> will effectively quit, even if there are pending
>
> messages.
>
>
>
> Hope this helped,
>
>
>
> Jan Schenkel







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 25 11:17:57 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:17:57 -0800
Subject: Zero-width columns
Message-ID: <47C2EA35.4030007@fourthworld.com>

I couldn't find a request in the RQQC for zero-width columns, but since 
a number of people here share my interest in seeing them added I opened 
one - for your voting pleasure:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5947>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 25 11:39:36 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:39:36 +0100
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
Message-ID: <BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

Sorry for the delayed reply. If you call cgiemail as a URL the same  
way a form does when using the GET method, you can use

get url "http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/cgiemail.cgi?lotsofparameters=lotsofvariables 
"

Just make sure the internet library is available. Also, you might want  
to check the "post" entry in the docs.  You should be able to call the  
cgi using a url to the server Rev CGI is running on.

Surely, you could also use one of the SMTP libraries to send out e- 
mail directly. I did this, but noticed that the way this works depends  
on the server configuration, which one doesn't always have control of.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 20 feb 2008, om 20:00 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed  
> to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is  
> send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program  
> (where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a  
> form). Can cgiemail do that?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard
>



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Feb 25 11:48:34 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:48:34 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
	<BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802250848o1f4046bei7e31592592a885b2@mail.gmail.com>

I still think the best option is Sendmail. I bet a beer with you that
cgiemail is calling sendmail by itself :-D



On 2/25/08, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
>  Sorry for the delayed reply. If you call cgiemail as a URL the same
>  way a form does when using the GET method, you can use
>
>  get url "http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/cgiemail.cgi?lotsofparameters=lotsofvariables
>  "
>
>  Just make sure the internet library is available. Also, you might want
>  to check the "post" entry in the docs.  You should be able to call the
>  cgi using a url to the server Rev CGI is running on.
>
>  Surely, you could also use one of the SMTP libraries to send out e-
>  mail directly. I did this, but noticed that the way this works depends
>  on the server configuration, which one doesn't always have control of.
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Mark Schonewille
>
>  --
>
>  Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>  http://economy-x-talk.com
>  http://www.salery.biz
>
>  Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.
>  Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
>
> Op 20 feb 2008, om 20:00 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven:
>
>
>  > Hi Mark,
>  >
>  > Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed
>  > to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is
>  > send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program
>  > (where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a
>  > form). Can cgiemail do that?
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  > Richard
>  >
>
>
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From runrev at animabit.de  Mon Feb 25 12:07:04 2008
From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:07:04 +0000
Subject: 2.9 dp4 microsoft scripting (using word or excel)
Message-ID: <DIIE.000006DF0001A2DC@animabit.de>

Hello 

just tested the new 

do tvbscript as "vbscript"

syntax in 2.9 beta dp4 for writing from runrev into word. It workes fine.
local tVBScript
put "Dim Word" & return after tVBScript
put "Set Word = CreateObject(" & quote & "Word.Application" & quote & ")" & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Visible=1" & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Documents.Add()" & return after tVBScript
put "'Word.Selection.Font.Bold=" & quote & "1" & quote & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Selection.Font.Name=" & quote & "Arial" & quote & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Selection.TypeText(" & quote & "Hello Word" & quote & ")" & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Selection.InsertParagraph()" & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Selection.MoveDown()" & return after tVBScript
put "Word.Selection.InsertParagraph()" & return after tVBScript
put "Word.ActiveDocument.SaveAs(" & quote & "C:/newtest.doc" & quote & ")" & return after tVBScript
put tVBScript
do tVBScript as "vbscript"
---------------------------------------------
Does anyone know a trick to use the Word-Object after the vbscript has ended and runrev got the result of vbscript? Could runrev get the Word-ID as result of the createobject syntax and use it later again? I assume this wouldn't be possible, but it would be fine if this could have be done.

The same can be used with excel if you transfer the attached perl program with the -> style into point notation as I did above with word 
Regards, Franz 
Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Franz B?hmisch

boehmisch at animabit.de
http://www.animabit.de
GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH
Am Sonnenhang 22
D-94136 Thyrnau
Tel +49 (0)8501-8538
Fax +49 (0)8501-8537


Perl:
use Win32::OLE;
# grab the numbers
@numbers = qw(1 2 3 4 5);
# create the automation object
Win32::OLE::CreateObject("Excel.Application", $xl) || die "CreateObject: $!";
# show it and add a new workbook
$xl->{Visible} = 1;
$xl->Workbooks->Add();
# start at the top left
$col = "A"; $row = 1;
foreach $num (@numbers) {
chomp($num);
$cell = sprintf("%s%d", $col, $row++);
# add it to Excel
$xl->Range($cell)->{Value}  = $num;
}


# OLE-Programmierung mit Perl
use Win32::OLE;
$app = Win32::OLE->new('Word.Application', 'Quit') || 
  die "Problem mit WinWord: $!";
$app->{'Visible'}=1;
$worksheet = $app->Documents->Add();
$app->Selection->Style->{wdStyleHeading3} = 1;
$app->Selection->Font->{Bold} = 1;
$app->Selection->Font->{Name} = "Arial";
$app->Selection->Font->{Size} = 24;
$stil = $app->Selection->Font->{Name};
$app->Selection->TypeText("Hallo Jakob. Word schreibt von selbst ...");
$app->Selection->InsertParagraph();
$app->Selection->MoveDown();
$app->Selection->TypeText("Schriftstil ist $stil");
$app->Selection->InsertParagraph();
$app->Selection->MoveDown();
$app->Selection->InlineShapes->AddPicture("d:\\test.jpg");
$app->Selection->InsertParagraph();
$app->Selection->MoveDown();
$app->Selection->Style->{wdStyleNormal} = 1;
$app->Selection->Font->{Size} = 12;
$app->Selection->TypeText("Viel Freude bei Winword...");
$app->ActiveDocument->SaveAs("C:/animabit/newtest.doc");


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 25 12:12:57 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:12:57 +0100
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802250848o1f4046bei7e31592592a885b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
	<BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802250848o1f4046bei7e31592592a885b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED4C32D0-F7B9-4D72-855D-B85246BE9162@economy-x-talk.com>

I don't drink beer, so you can have it :-p Just a question, do you  
think that sendmail easier than cgiemail?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



Op 25 feb 2008, om 17:48 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:

> I still think the best option is Sendmail. I bet a beer with you that
> cgiemail is calling sendmail by itself :-D



From wjm at wjm.org  Mon Feb 25 12:15:08 2008
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:15:08 -0500
Subject: beta testing 2.9
References: <167980.28071.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<1426616A-58F9-4170-8C9A-5E1B15B2EB42@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fput8s$1ne$1@ger.gmane.org>

Mailings were sent last week. We do have problems with bounces and people 
not getting them sometimes. When we hear about those difficulties, we 
re-send the beta info via another route. I've sent out another batch of beta 
notices this morning -- there were about 20 new beta testers signed up over 
the weekend. I also re-sent to all the bounces we got from last week's 
mailing. If you still haven't received your announcement for Beta 11 please 
let us know.

The beta version doesn't not have a set scriptLimit, but it does expire 
roughly 60 days after release.

Also, for those of you who are in the beta program already, you know that 
the download URLs follow a fairly predictable pattern, and the unlock code 
you've received doesn't change. (So you should be able to download new 
versions even if you somehow don't get a notification.)

Bill


"Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote in message 
news:1426616A-58F9-4170-8C9A-5E1B15B2EB42 at mac.com...
There seems to be a problem with the beta mailings, namely that they
didn't get sent. I assume that somebody who works for RunRev will
handle it tomorrow, during business hours.

have fun
Bj?rnke

On 24 Feb 2008, at 20:17, Eric A. Engle wrote:

> sorry to nag; am I meant to download 2.9 for beta
> testing somewhere? Where?
>
> I mean, I'm assuming it's got the scriptLimit set to 5
> or 10 lines. It's mostly the UI that interests me.
>
> Maybe I've misunderstood something?

-- 

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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Feb 25 12:23:39 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:23:39 -0300
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <ED4C32D0-F7B9-4D72-855D-B85246BE9162@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
	<BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802250848o1f4046bei7e31592592a885b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED4C32D0-F7B9-4D72-855D-B85246BE9162@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802250923g55dc3bd7w3c28dda5b4630e4c@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

yes, sendmail can be called from a cgi with a simple shell() call. You
can use RocketsSendmail library to make it even easier. This allows
you to customize the email and code your own solution. For example in
our Hinduism Today Digital Edition
(http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital ) we use RocketsSendmail to send
a verification email to the newly created accounts, upon following a
link on those emails, the account is verified, this is a common
pattern used by many web applications which can't be easily reproduced
with cgiemail.

RocketsSendmail has only one function, that function is analogous to
RevMail but uses sendmail or mail (depending on the platform) to send
the email.

With Sendmail you're in control, you have the freedom to assemble the
emails anyway you want and even do processing on them first. With
cgiemail all you can do is forward forms...

cgiemail may be easier to forward forms, but that will just get you
more trouble in the long run for you're pushing your workflow to deal
with the form later. with sendmail you can do work earlier in the
workflow and send more meaningful emails.

my two brazilian real cents which are worth near nothing but are the
prettiest money in the world (Except for old maltese liri which were
gorgeous)
Andre



On 2/25/08, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> I don't drink beer, so you can have it :-p Just a question, do you
>  think that sendmail easier than cgiemail?
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Mark Schonewille
>
>  --
>
>  Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>  http://economy-x-talk.com
>  http://www.salery.biz
>
>  Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.
>  Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
>
>
>
>
> Op 25 feb 2008, om 17:48 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:
>
>
>  > I still think the best option is Sendmail. I bet a beer with you that
>  > cgiemail is calling sendmail by itself :-D
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Feb 25 12:22:50 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:22:50 -0800
Subject: beta testing 2.9
In-Reply-To: <fput8s$1ne$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <167980.28071.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<1426616A-58F9-4170-8C9A-5E1B15B2EB42@mac.com>
	<fput8s$1ne$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06240805c3e8a99d8c29@[192.168.1.70]>

And may I add that Enterprise customers can get the latest beta 
automatically installed simply by checking for updates.

>Also, for those of you who are in the beta program already, you know that
>the download URLs follow a fairly predictable pattern, and the unlock code
>you've received doesn't change. (So you should be able to download new
>versions even if you somehow don't get a notification.)
>
>Bill
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From meitnik at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 25 12:41:07 2008
From: meitnik at bellsouth.net (Andrew Meit)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:41:07 -0500
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
Message-ID: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>

Hi,

I would like a clear, detailed statement from Rev explaining who does  
and doesn't get 2.9 as a free upgrade/update, and how is any 2.9.x  
updates understood as free or paid for too.
For example, if one has any 2.7.x, 2.8.x versions does one get 2.9.0,  
but any 2.9.x updates will be a required to paid.
For example, if one gets 2.9.0 but 2 months later, a 2.9.2 goes out,  
and you have not paid to renew your 2.7.x, 2.8.x, you wont be able to  
install that 2.9.2 version; so its "free" for only during that 2  
months period.

Thank you.

Shalom, Andrew
{Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...}



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Feb 25 12:40:51 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:40:51 -0800
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802250923g55dc3bd7w3c28dda5b4630e4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
	<BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802250848o1f4046bei7e31592592a885b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED4C32D0-F7B9-4D72-855D-B85246BE9162@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802250923g55dc3bd7w3c28dda5b4630e4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c3e8add789e3@[192.168.1.70]>

Andre, your two cents are worth many dollars on this forum!

>
>my two brazilian real cents which are worth near nothing but are the
>prettiest money in the world (Except for old maltese liri which were
>gorgeous)
>Andre
>

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb 25 12:59:40 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:59:40 -0500
Subject: 2.9 dp4 microsoft scripting (using word or excel)
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000006DF0001A2DC@animabit.de>
References: <DIIE.000006DF0001A2DC@animabit.de>
Message-ID: <F2CFE5A9-6BD4-44B1-8EB2-B95BAD56BE19@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:07 PM, runrev at animabit.de wrote:

> Does anyone know a trick to use the Word-Object after the vbscript  
> has ended and runrev got the result of vbscript? Could runrev get  
> the Word-ID as result of the createobject syntax and use it later  
> again? I assume this wouldn't be possible, but it would be fine if  
> this could have be done.

Perhaps this will be of help. From the engine change log:

=============
The result of execution is reflected in 'the result'. This will  
contain "alternate language not found" if the specified language was  
unknown and "execution error" if a problem occured while running the  
script. If a problem did not occur, Revolution will evaluate the value  
of a global variable 'result' (if declared) within the scripting  
engine, if not declared empty will be assumed.

For example:
   do "result = 1 + 1" as "vbscript"
Will return "2" in 'the result'.

Note: At present only values that can be coerced to a string are  
supported when returning a value.
=============

Regards,

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
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From engleerica at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 13:10:00 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:10:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: autosave / enter as save? 2.9B
In-Reply-To: <20080225180004.60B13489093@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <571235.40892.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

There was a very useful thing in hypercard. If you
used the enter key while editing a script the script
would save. 

Likewise, if you closed a script dialog, the script
would automatically save any changes.

I understand other users might not want either of
those features but I really want them. 

Is there an option for autosaving of scripts on close
-- I don't want to be asked each and every time I
close a script window whether I want to apply the
changes. 

Likewise, crtl+return or the enter key (where it
exists, my laptop has no enter key) would be really
nice for saving the script or saving the script and
closing the script window.

Is my question clear?

Also, when I select a button from the pallette witht
he button tool I cannot then draw a button on the
screen. Though, if I double click the button icon a
button appears. The ability to click a button icon and
then drag the mouse on the card to draw the button
would be really nice.

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From engleerica at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 13:10:44 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:10:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: autosave / enter as save? 2.9B
In-Reply-To: <20080225180004.60B13489093@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <43892.28725.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

cool. control return works to close scripts and
autosave. :)

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Feb 25 13:13:30 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:13:30 +0000
Subject: DP 4 for Linux:  Aaaarrrggg!
Message-ID: <200802251813.30079.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Oh dear guys, I am sure it is wonderful in other ways, BUT  BUT  BUT!

It still does not do multiple desktops right.  Or at all, really.  First thing 
I tried.

It has the little icon in the top left, that works fine and moves your windows 
to another desktop, whichever you want, but then, as soon as you use one of 
them, back all the windows fly into one desktop again.  Just like it always 
has.

This really matters.  What it means is, I have at the moment 6 empty desktops, 
and I cannot even put the dictionary on one of them.  All my 7 Rev windows 
have to clutter up one desktop while the others are empty.  No other Linux 
app behaves like this.  All others, you put whichever window you like on 
whichever desktop you like and then use them.

For instance, OO.  I usually have the dictionary open on one desktop and the 
spreadsheet open on another, when I'm doing spreadsheets.  At the very least 
I would like to do the same with Rev.  

I know this is peculiar right now to the Linux desktops - but all of them have 
pagers like this, Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Fluxbox.  Whatever people think about 
this in HIG terms, its the way Linux people work.  So its got to be 
supported.  I think Apple will supports it in Leopard.  So it it is going to 
have to be done sooner or later.

Or hey, tell me I am idiotically missing some simple way to make it work.  
I'll be overjoyed!



Peter


From wjm at wjm.org  Mon Feb 25 13:19:39 2008
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:19:39 -0500
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org>

Heather has posted this information in the forums. I'll do the same here:

You get Rev 2.9 for free if:
    - You had an active update pack/license on 1 February 2006
    - You purchased any version of Revolution 2.7.x
    - You bought a RevSelect Holiday bundle
    - You have an active license pack valid on the date of 2.9's release

The free updates do not affect any other aspect of licensing. Your license 
is not extended another three months or year, for example. You are just 
getting the new version.

Example 1:

Bill has a Studio 2.6.1 license that expired Feb 5, 2006. He has not 
purchased any new versions since then. He gets Rev 2.9 for free, but 
otherwise his license is still "inactive." He'll have to renew the license 
for any future versions.

Example 2:

Charles bought Revolution 2.7.3 and 2.8.1 and the RevSelect Holiday Bundle. 
His license is current through December 2008. He'll receive Rev 2.9 as part 
of his update pack license, as well as any versions released the rest of 
this year.

We have not announced what versions will follow 2.9, but you're correct that 
if you don't have an update pack, these will not be free upgrades. (A good 
reason to get your licks in on the final beta.)

Bill



"Andrew Meit" <meitnik at bellsouth.net> wrote in 
message news:CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D at bellsouth.net...
> Hi,
>
> I would like a clear, detailed statement from Rev explaining who does  and 
> doesn't get 2.9 as a free upgrade/update, and how is any 2.9.x  updates 
> understood as free or paid for too.
> For example, if one has any 2.7.x, 2.8.x versions does one get 2.9.0,  but 
> any 2.9.x updates will be a required to paid.
> For example, if one gets 2.9.0 but 2 months later, a 2.9.2 goes out,  and 
> you have not paid to renew your 2.7.x, 2.8.x, you wont be able to  install 
> that 2.9.2 version; so its "free" for only during that 2  months period.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Shalom, Andrew
> {Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...}
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 25 13:23:41 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:23:41 +0100
Subject: RevCGI Hosts?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10802250923g55dc3bd7w3c28dda5b4630e4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47BB9B94.5030105@fourthworld.com>
	<E523D2F5-1326-4DA0-A36C-F9E3FAC956EE@canelasoftware.com>
	<B25621F4-D68C-49C4-9454-DD182F8AA4E2@together.net>
	<4999106F-2243-4BD4-82A6-5470702C6E1B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6ACE9864-C915-4758-95C3-CCCC978A848D@together.net>
	<BD50F084-0175-455B-BABE-D5F0155EE3CB@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802250848o1f4046bei7e31592592a885b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED4C32D0-F7B9-4D72-855D-B85246BE9162@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10802250923g55dc3bd7w3c28dda5b4630e4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129D802E-F53F-4A43-BEA3-88F3CEEE5A24@economy-x-talk.com>

Ahh.... of course! Somehow, I was thinking "sendmail.cgi" rather than  
"shell". Thanks for your patience, Andre.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 25 feb 2008, om 18:23 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:

> Mark,
>
> yes, sendmail can be called from a cgi with a simple shell() call. You
> can use RocketsSendmail library to make it even easier. This allows
> you to customize the email and code your own solution.
<snip>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Feb 25 13:29:50 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:29:50 -0800
Subject: no defaultstack
In-Reply-To: <C3E79CAF.D950%jrvalent@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <C3E8491E.38952%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, rand valentine wrote:

> I'm using Rev 2.8.1 Studio, MacBook Pro, 4gb memory, Leopard, and now
> Revolution does not recognize the card or stack that I'm in when I execute a
> script. So every field reference must be specified for the card it's on and
> the stack it's in, i.e., one can't just designate:
> 
> fld "whichField"
> 
>  rather it must be
> 
> fld "whichField" of cd "whichCard" of stack "whichStack"
> 
>  I've been playing with setting the defaultstack to the toplevel stack, but
> that doesn't seem to help.
> 
>  Any way to fix this? Thanks.

One thing you might try/consider...  If you're referencing objects across
multiple stacks, or just running into general object reference issues, try
to avoid manually building object references, and use the object's long id.
In my experience, I've found the engine can get confused (or even start
generating gibberish) if you reference objects using a description that you
build yourself (ie fld "whichField" of cd "whichCard" of stack
"whichStack").  In my case, the situations were very complex and difficult
to reproduce -- once I started using long id references, the script errors I
was getting went away.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Feb 25 13:53:10 2008
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:53:10 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BF769D.5040502@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BF769D.5040502@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7A10473F-9513-45CE-BA3A-EF94455A9065@dvcreators.net>

In this case, I've been putting the ID column off to the right and  
tabbing it off the display. I have a lot of tables with far more  
columns than they show, for example, a 16 column table with 4 columns  
showing.

This makes it easy, when the user clicks on one row, to show item  
detail, just "replace tab with cr" and you have all desired properties  
for display in a separate field.

Although of course a better table object would be a huge help to folks  
like me, check out the functionality of these grids:

http://extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/grid/edit-grid.html

http://extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/grid/grouping.html





On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Suppose you want to display records from a database in a multi- 
> column list field.  You'll want to keep track of the ID field, but  
> that's just noise to the end-user so you don't want to display it.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 25 14:28:42 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:28:42 -0800
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
Message-ID: <47C316EA.8030802@fourthworld.com>

Josh Mellicker wrote:
> In this case, I've been putting the ID column off to the right and  
> tabbing it off the display. I have a lot of tables with far more  
> columns than they show, for example, a 16 column table with 4 columns  
> showing.

A good solution for fixed-width lists, but many of my apps need to also 
support horizontal scrolling, a la iTunes:

<http://www.fourthworld.net/list.jpg>

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 14:38:40 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:38:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: 2.9 dp-3 for linux has expired...!
Message-ID: <746731.879.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wrote:

"As a Runtime Revolution user of extremely slender
income who uses a licensed version of DreamCard 2.6.1
I assume I, at least, have been excluded from Beta 4
(or is it 11 ???) because I do not have a recent
licence for a fancier version of RR.

"If this is true . . . it is "all rather a pity" as
some of use try to support RR in other ways that with
money."

I am so glad that I am wrong; and proffer my apologies
to all whom I may have offended.

Just recieved my Beta 11 download!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Feb 25 15:00:15 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:00:15 -0500
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
In-Reply-To: <fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>
	<fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06240806c3e8cce15339@[192.168.0.89]>

At 1:19 PM -0500 2/25/08, Bill Marriott wrote:
>     - You had an active update pack/license on 1 February 2006

How do you normally tell if you do or don't have one of those?


>     - You purchased any version of Revolution 2.7.x

How about people who bought 2.8.x? Your later example of someone who 
has 2.8.1 suggests that the above means to say "2.7.x or later". If 
it doesn't mean that, does it also apply to people who bought 2.8.2?

Sometimes Rev marketing can be upsetting to recent purchasers. For 
example, I paid the full price for Rev, but at the time that you 
could send a second copy to someone. I used that as a way to send a 
copy to myself at work, so I would be registered ok if I used Rev on 
my own machine or on my work machine. The second copy still hasn't 
reached me at work, so when does the initial three months of upgrades 
start counting? Is it when I paid for the product, or is it when I 
receive it?

The more annoying marketing thing was that right after I had bought 
it with that deal, a new deal came out (the Christmas bundle one), 
which would have been much more valuable and interesting to me. As 
anyone on Macy's mailing list will know, too many special offers can 
be a bad thing, eventually you think that you should never take up an 
offer, because there's about to be a better one!



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 15:11:32 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:11:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
Message-ID: <269099.23501.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, I have RR Media 2.7.1 . . .

Not, frankly that it is all that useful; so fall back
on Dreamcard 2.6.1 and (!!!!!!!) RR 2.0.1.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Feb 25 16:48:14 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:48:14 -0700
Subject: autosave / enter as save? 2.9B
In-Reply-To: <571235.40892.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <571235.40892.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A1B1586-35C6-4294-981B-416CEB24AD68@byu.edu>


On Feb 25, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Eric A. Engle wrote:

> There was a very useful thing in hypercard. If you
> used the enter key while editing a script the script
> would save.

This should work in Rev also. (Referring to the Enter key adjacent to  
the numeric keypad, not the return key, which is often labeled "enter".)

enter in script editor - Applies the script

enter + enter - Applies and closes script editor

Command/control + S in script editor - Applies script and saves the  
stack.
>
> Likewise, if you closed a script dialog, the script
> would automatically save any changes.
>
> I understand other users might not want either of
> those features but I really want them.
>
> Is there an option for autosaving of scripts on close
> -- I don't want to be asked each and every time I
> close a script window whether I want to apply the
> changes.

I just developed the enter + enter habit.
>
> Likewise, crtl+return or the enter key (where it
> exists, my laptop has no enter key) would be really
> nice for saving the script or saving the script and
> closing the script window.

Looks like you answered your own question on this one.

> Also, when I select a button from the pallette witht
> he button tool I cannot then draw a button on the
> screen. Though, if I double click the button icon a
> button appears. The ability to click a button icon and
> then drag the mouse on the card to draw the button
> would be really nice.

Somewhere between v. 2.2 and 2.5 the tools palette behavior changed  
from a "modal-ish", choose tool - click and drag, to drag tool from  
palette to card then resize new control. It took some getting used to  
the change, but I like it better now.


Hope I'm understanding your questions properly.

Regards,

Devin
>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Feb 25 17:57:01 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:57:01 -0800
Subject: Reliable Cursor Changes?
Message-ID: <C3E887BD.38983%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hello List:

I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a reliable way to do rollover
cursor changes in Rev.  I'm trying to clean up a client's multimedia stack
who has lock cursor handlers all over the place, and I'm wondering if
there's a simpler way to define which objects trigger cursor changes on
rollover (mouseEnter/mouseLeave).  Most of the controls are buttons, but
there are a few images, fields and what-not.  I've been playing with
mouseMove and trying to set the default cursor based on custom user
properties, but so far am not having success.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 18:03:39 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:03:39 +1000
Subject: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!
In-Reply-To: <200802251813.30079.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802251813.30079.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802251503w68e40b80w6b677471cfc0d6eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades
<palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Oh dear guys, I am sure it is wonderful in other ways, BUT  BUT  BUT!
>
>  It still does not do multiple desktops right.  Or at all, really.  First thing
>  I tried.
>

Sorry to add to your misery, but it works fine with Apple's Spaces. I
just tested with my stack in one desktop, the docs in another and the
Application browser in another. All work fine with the Rev menu &
toolbar appearing in each.

I have only just started using multiple desktops when Leopard
introduced them, so I am not yet terribly familiar with them, but in
Spaces, there is a facility to lock a certain application to a
specific desktop. Would it be possible that Rev has somehow got locked
to a single desktop in your Linux system?

Cheers,
Sarah


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Feb 25 18:15:12 2008
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:15:12 -0300
Subject: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802251503w68e40b80w6b677471cfc0d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200802251813.30079.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<f99b52860802251503w68e40b80w6b677471cfc0d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10802251515n21b2197v23da65425082bfbe@mail.gmail.com>

well, it works on my EEE PC with multiple workspaces, I can carry rev
to workspace 1 to 4 with no problem...

andre

On 2/25/08, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades
>  <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>  > Oh dear guys, I am sure it is wonderful in other ways, BUT  BUT  BUT!
>  >
>  >  It still does not do multiple desktops right.  Or at all, really.  First thing
>  >  I tried.
>  >
>
>
> Sorry to add to your misery, but it works fine with Apple's Spaces. I
>  just tested with my stack in one desktop, the docs in another and the
>  Application browser in another. All work fine with the Rev menu &
>  toolbar appearing in each.
>
>  I have only just started using multiple desktops when Leopard
>  introduced them, so I am not yet terribly familiar with them, but in
>  Spaces, there is a facility to lock a certain application to a
>  specific desktop. Would it be possible that Rev has somehow got locked
>  to a single desktop in your Linux system?
>
>  Cheers,
>
> Sarah
>
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Mon Feb 25 18:23:49 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:23:49 -0500
Subject: Blend Level issues
Message-ID: <A89AAD79-D58F-493E-99D4-8A94AE47202E@comcast.net>

Is anyone had problems with a Mac RR stack that the blendlevel of the  
stack was set (40) and then when opened on Windows the objects  
disappear.

They are there and when opened in RR on win I can edit the script and  
properties but they are not visible to the naked eye.


Tom McGrath




Thomas McGrath III
3mcgrath at comcast.net
www.lazyriversoftware.com

Mac OS10.5.2 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Revolution Enterprise Version 2.9.0-dp-4 Build 530



From schaubeck at mac.com  Mon Feb 25 18:24:51 2008
From: schaubeck at mac.com (Jim Schaubeck)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:24:51 -0800
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007201c87805$9fa48cb0$deeda610$@com>

...
So, if you're interested, holler at me or Andre, or just respond here. If
there are enough folks, we'll create a few free ROR tutes. Just let us know!

-Chipp


This would be great...you have my vote !

Jim...




From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 25 18:44:52 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:44:52 -0600
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <007201c87805$9fa48cb0$deeda610$@com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201c87805$9fa48cb0$deeda610$@com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802251544x7af3a43eq728d17fcda6ecf3d@mail.gmail.com>

Great,

Thanks for all the interest. I'm currently trying to finish RocketsEditor,
which when complete will create a much easier workflow for anyone working
with Rev CGI's from within Rev.

It has the following features:

- Work with either local or server files and folders, allowing users an easy
way to navigate 'projects'
- Edit all types of files, including rev.cgi files using a tabbed script
editor.
- Colorizes and correctly indents (formats) rev cgi's and compiles them
BEFORE uploading, so if there's a script error, it will highlight the line
where the error is.
- Will automatically download, edit and upload stack files as well.
- Can correctly permission files on remote servers
- Can create new / delete / copy / and edit files on local and remote
servers
- Can add or delete folders on local/remote servers.
- Can upload files to remote servers
- Full project settings in a pull down list..you only need one-click to
access your remote or local files
- Settings for which files to be edited by extension type.

The reason for local support is for working directly with RevOnRockets using
Andre's RocketServer. Hope to have this ready this week. Then I'll put
together a basic tute for it and ROR.

-Chipp


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 18:47:01 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:47:01 +1000
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802251544x7af3a43eq728d17fcda6ecf3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210802210301jfe0adffyecd6a5e90d2d74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201c87805$9fa48cb0$deeda610$@com>
	<7aa52a210802251544x7af3a43eq728d17fcda6ecf3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802251547u3aa43044j16d7a1dca2e450b2@mail.gmail.com>

>  Thanks for all the interest. I'm currently trying to finish RocketsEditor,
>  which when complete will create a much easier workflow for anyone working
>  with Rev CGI's from within Rev.

Sounds fantastic! Many thanks Chipp.


From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Feb 25 19:39:23 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:39:23 -0500
Subject: Reliable Cursor Changes?
Message-ID: <20080225193923.9I8X7.45590.imail@fed1rmwml19>

Hi Scott,

I just tried this in a new stack... seems to work.

I put 3 objects on the stack: Label Field, Field, and a button.
For each object, I created a Custom Property: RollOverCursor and gave the values: 1,2, and no value, respectively for each object.

For each object, I put the following script into them:

on mouseEnter
  switch (the RollOverCursor of me)
  case 1
    set cursor to 76
    break
  case 2
    set cursor to hand
    break
  default
    reset cursors
  end switch
  lock cursor
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
  unlock cursor
end mouseLeave

When placing each object on the stack, make sure there is enough space in between them for the engine to "reset" the cursor, else the cursor won't reset to the default.

I like this concept, and will put it into my own applications, thanx Scott. :)

If you need me to put this stack on RevOnline, please reply.

HTH,
Mark Stuart


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Feb 25 20:11:27 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:11:27 -0800
Subject: Reliable Cursor Changes?
In-Reply-To: <20080225193923.9I8X7.45590.imail@fed1rmwml19>
Message-ID: <C3E8A73F.38998%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Mark:

> I just tried this in a new stack... seems to work.

> on mouseEnter
>   switch (the RollOverCursor of me)
>   case 1
>     set cursor to 76
>     break
>   case 2
>     set cursor to hand
>     break
>   default
>     reset cursors
>   end switch
>   lock cursor
> end mouseEnter
> 
> on mouseLeave
>   unlock cursor
> end mouseLeave

My stack is running under a standalone environment -- I'm not sure if this
changes things but I had to modify your script a bit to get the cursor to
revert to normal (I'm only using 2 rollover states):

on mouseEnter
  if the uRolloverCursor of the target then
    set cursor to hand
    lock cursor
    exit mouseEnter
  end if
  unlock cursor
  reset cursors
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
  unlock cursor
  reset cursors
end mouseLeave

Thanks for your suggestion -- simple and seems to be working as needed.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 25 20:17:35 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:17:35 -0600
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c3e8cce15339@192.168.0.89>
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>
	<fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org> <p06240806c3e8cce15339@192.168.0.89>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802251717y47de1c72wab19e067325a9535@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:

>
> The more annoying marketing thing was that right after I had bought
> it with that deal, a new deal came out (the Christmas bundle one),
> which would have been much more valuable and interesting to me.


Just wondering, did you contact them about upgrading to the free bundle
right after it came out? I would be surprised if they wouldn't allow you to
do so considering you purchased your version only 24 hours before.

Anytime I get caught in a situation like that, I find most vendors, and
retail stores, will honor the newer price, given it was a very recent
purchase.

-Chipp


From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Feb 25 20:37:04 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:37:04 -0500
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802251717y47de1c72wab19e067325a9535@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>
	<fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org> <p06240806c3e8cce15339@192.168.0.89>
	<7aa52a210802251717y47de1c72wab19e067325a9535@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76BAD748-E23F-4A2F-9967-8DD1AFE02C3B@rcn.com>


On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Just wondering, did you contact them about upgrading to the free  
> bundle
> right after it came out? I would be surprised if they wouldn't allow  
> you to
> do so considering you purchased your version only 24 hours before.

I'm not positive about the time difference. I did the two for one deal  
on the last day it was available I think, and the other offer arrived  
right after that. Offers are a good thing, back to back offers aren't  
as good. My overall goal was to have Rev, so that when people ask me  
how to do things in it (which happens), I have it to try out  
suggestions. I don't currently have any real work need for it, and so  
the two for one and Christmas deals both achieve what I wanted, hence  
not be so bothered that I would demand the later deal.

I do also like to support worthy products, so I'm not complaining  
about the money I've spent. I'm just trying to be sure what my rights  
are in updating to the next version so soon after getting the current  
version.



From kee at kagi.com  Tue Feb 26 00:35:05 2008
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:35:05 -0800
Subject: Anyone interested in learning more about Rev on Rockets?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210802210248y1b84d7eay3ba81b9bcbea4e20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97D34D70-0383-4CDF-B163-BAF5FCD9AE9C@kagi.com>

yes please. kee


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 26 02:48:15 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:48:15 +0000
Subject: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!
Message-ID: <200802260748.16006.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Andre, you say "well, it works on my EEE PC with multiple workspaces, I can 
carry rev to workspace 1 to 4 with no problem..."

Yes, of course.  So can I.  

But that is not what is meant by "working with no problem".  Can you put the 
different windows on different workspaces, in the way Sarah describes, and 
work on them?  Can you, for instance, put the script editor and the 
application browser on one desktop, the dictionary on a different desktop, 
and your app you are designing on a third, and have them all stay where you 
put them and work in the different windows as you choose, by flipping from 
one desktop to another?  I cannot.  They all move instantly back to the same 
desktop the moment I use anything.

I'll have to do some research on locking. Maybe there are hacks.  But at the 
moment, it does not work like I expect it to - like OO works for instance, 
where the dictionary equivalent can be moved to a different desktop and just 
stay there while you work on your spreadsheet.

Which, thankfully, I do less and less these days...

Peter


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Feb 26 04:19:13 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:19:13 +0200
Subject: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!
In-Reply-To: <200802260748.16006.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802260748.16006.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47C3D991.5030503@ekoinf.net>

Hi Peter,

just tested this on my Linux (ubuntu 6.06 xfce, kernel 2.6.15-29-386) 
and it looks like it is working. E.g. I open Rev beta dp-4 and it loads 
in the 2nd desktop, then I opened Rev dictionary and send it to 3 
desktop, created new stack and sent it to the 4th workspace. Then 
searched the dictionary, went to 2 workspace to check if IDE is still 
there, then went to the 4th and closed the stack. It works so far 
without collapsing to a single workspace. Maybe there are some desktop 
settings to explore, although I used all defaults...

All the best
Viktoras

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Andre, you say "well, it works on my EEE PC with multiple workspaces, I can 
> carry rev to workspace 1 to 4 with no problem..."
>
> Yes, of course.  So can I.  
>
> But that is not what is meant by "working with no problem".  Can you put the 
> different windows on different workspaces, in the way Sarah describes, and 
> work on them?  Can you, for instance, put the script editor and the 
> application browser on one desktop, the dictionary on a different desktop, 
> and your app you are designing on a third, and have them all stay where you 
> put them and work in the different windows as you choose, by flipping from 
> one desktop to another?  I cannot.  They all move instantly back to the same 
> desktop the moment I use anything.
>
> I'll have to do some research on locking. Maybe there are hacks.  But at the 
> moment, it does not work like I expect it to - like OO works for instance, 
> where the dictionary equivalent can be moved to a different desktop and just 
> stay there while you work on your spreadsheet.
>
> Which, thankfully, I do less and less these days...
>
> Peter
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 26 05:02:12 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:02:12 +0000
Subject: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!
Message-ID: <200802261002.12711.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Viktoras, you are quite right.  I have just tried out a few window managers.  
On Xfce multiple windows work fine on my installation also.  They also work 
fine on fluxbox. 

However they do exactly what I described earlier on both kde, which I just 
tested, and gnome, that is, all the windows collapse onto one desktop.

This is on Debian testing, pretty up to date.  Default settings for all WMs.

Could you try on Ubuntu using gnome or kde?  If you can bear the bloat!

At least there is a workaround - just use xfce, which I quite like these days, 
though whether it is any longer the low cholesterol desktop is another 
matter...  And if it works on two WMs it should be a fairly simple matter to 
make it work on kde and gnome.  

Or maybe it is a bug in kde and gnome?  Seems unlikely.

Peter


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 06:28:42 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:28:42 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Another stupid Macintosh Idea from Richmond
Message-ID: <577564.22088.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have been having a lot of bother from the "crap" all
over my Mac desktop getting in the way while I do
things in the foreground with GIMP;
a wonderful, FREE program, that uses all sorts of
odd-shaped windows scattered across the desktop.

Short of using TinkerTool 

http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html 
(Fantastic)

to disable my desktop, as well as going for a
jet-black desktop picture

[as I want access to my hard-disks via the desktop,and
all the recent bumf stored 'on' the desktop],

I did the following:

Made a one card, jet-black, stack with no window
decorations, set to the size of my screen resolution
and set to centre in the middle of the screen.

This means that I can hide everything without all the
hassle,and can access my desktop features via a window
manager (c.f. Screens for Leopard and Desktop Manager
for Tiger

http://desktopmanager.berlios.de/index.php  )

Probably about the daftest use for a RR standalone;
but it does the trick!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Feb 26 09:56:24 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:56:24 +0000
Subject: Open Socket Question
In-Reply-To: <47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>
References: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>
	<47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <422CC15A-8D3A-47A2-A9AA-AFECBEA4EEF3@looktowindward.com>

Hi Phil,

Thanks a lot for this, the thing I was missing was the use of the  
sockeError/socketTimeout handlers.

All the Best
Dave


On 21 Feb 2008, at 21:36, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I don't have time to write sample code right now, but one approach  
> would be:
>
> - set the socketTimeoutInterval to something reasonable
> - make a 'connectToServerApp' handler that opens one socket, using  
> the params passed to it by 'startClient'
> - let 'StartClient' do this once for each line in your server list:
>      send ("connectToServerApp" && tOneIpAddress) to stack in 0 ticks
> - make a 'socketTimeout' handler than resends the  
> 'connectToServerApp' cmd (with params) to stack in x ticks
> - make a 'socketError' that notifies you of connection failures
> - when the openSockets contains all the addresses in your original  
> list, you're done
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Dave wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a number of applications that communicate with each other  
>> using TCP/IP Sockets. For a given application, I want to be able  
>> to connect it to a number of "server" applications, however the  
>> "server" apps make or may not be running, so what I want to be  
>> able to do is to issue an open socket to a "server" application  
>> and if the connection is made add it to a "connected" table and if  
>> not, carry on the to next server, but try to open the socket again  
>> at a later time.
>>
>> I can't seem to be able to get my head around the code needed to  
>> do this!
>>
>> Basically I have a Function that gets called with a list of the IP  
>> Addresses in the for - aa.bb.cc.dd:port and a ConnectionID, I want  
>> to be able to open a socket to each IP/Port with the specified  
>> ConnectionID . The function definition for this is as follows:
>>
>> function StartClient theConnectToServerList,theConnectionID
>>
>> theConnectToServerList is a list of the following
>>
>> 192.168.1.100:6000
>> 192.168.1.100:6002
>> 192.168.1.100:6004
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> Any ideas on how achieve this gracefully would be greatly  
>> appreciated!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Feb 26 10:46:33 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:46:33 +0000
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c3e8cce15339@[192.168.0.89]>
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>	<fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<p06240806c3e8cce15339@[192.168.0.89]>
Message-ID: <47C43459.9080303@tweedly.net>

Colin Holgate wrote:
>
> Sometimes Rev marketing can be upsetting to recent purchasers. For 
> example, I paid the full price for Rev, but at the time that you could 
> send a second copy to someone. I used that as a way to send a copy to 
> myself at work, so I would be registered ok if I used Rev on my own 
> machine or on my work machine. The second copy still hasn't reached me 
> at work, so when does the initial three months of upgrades start 
> counting? Is it when I paid for the product, or is it when I receive it?
>
I could be *completely* wrong about this, but .... my understanding of 
the Rev license is that it applies to a person, not to a machine.  And 
therefore that as long as only I use it, and so long as I only use one 
copy at a time, I am OK to have Rev installed on my laptop, and my 
desktop, and my work machine, and my Mac-mini, and my son's laptop and 
......

Occasionally I bend the rules, and use both the laptop and the desktop 
copies at the same time .... don't tell anyone at Rev :-) :-)

-- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Tue Feb 26 11:02:05 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:02:05 -0500
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
In-Reply-To: <47C43459.9080303@tweedly.net>
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>
	<fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org>	<p06240806c3e8cce15339@[192.168.0.89]>
	<47C43459.9080303@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <p0624080ec3e9e693fd67@[192.168.0.89]>

At 3:46 PM +0000 2/26/08, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>Occasionally I bend the rules, and use both the laptop and the 
>desktop copies at the same time .... don't tell anyone at Rev :-) :-)


Good thing they don't read this list...

I too generally treat software licenses as being single user and not 
single machine, but in this case I wanted to be sure that if we did 
some Rev work for a client, it was using a copy that was registered 
to me at work, and not me using a personal copy. There's no sign of 
any Rev work being requested, but then there's no sign of the 
software arriving either!



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Feb 26 11:13:42 2008
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:13:42 +0200
Subject: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!
In-Reply-To: <200802261002.12711.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200802261002.12711.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47C43AB6.4010103@ekoinf.net>

Hi Peter,

indeed, in KDE and Gnome it collapses to a single desktop... Hmmm, why 
it works on XFCE and fluxbox and doesn't on KDE and Gnome?.. I have no 
idea whether it is a bug of Rev or these desktop managers. I'll se what 
google says...

All the best
Viktoras

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Viktoras, you are quite right.  I have just tried out a few window managers.  
> On Xfce multiple windows work fine on my installation also.  They also work 
> fine on fluxbox. 
>
> However they do exactly what I described earlier on both kde, which I just 
> tested, and gnome, that is, all the windows collapse onto one desktop.
>
> This is on Debian testing, pretty up to date.  Default settings for all WMs.
>
> Could you try on Ubuntu using gnome or kde?  If you can bear the bloat!
>
> At least there is a workaround - just use xfce, which I quite like these days, 
> though whether it is any longer the low cholesterol desktop is another 
> matter...  And if it works on two WMs it should be a fairly simple matter to 
> make it work on kde and gnome.  
>
> Or maybe it is a bug in kde and gnome?  Seems unlikely.
>
> Peter
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From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Tue Feb 26 11:41:14 2008
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:41:14 -0600
Subject: no defaultstack
Message-ID: <C3E99D4A.D9CD%jrvalent@wisc.edu>

>>  Any way to fix this? Thanks.
> 
> One thing you might try/consider...  If you're referencing objects across
> multiple stacks, or just running into general object reference issues, try
> to avoid manually building object references, and use the object's long id.
> In my experience, I've found the engine can get confused (or even start
> generating gibberish) if you reference objects using a description that you
> build yourself (ie fld "whichField" of cd "whichCard" of stack
> "whichStack").  In my case, the situations were very complex and difficult
> to reproduce -- once I started using long id references, the script errors I
> was getting went away.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 

  Thank you, Scott, and the others who have given advice on this issue. I am
now for a few days super-busy with other matters, so won't be able to
properly test your suggestions. I _did_ find that explicitly giving every
field reference "card" and "stack" coordinates allowed my scripts to execute
(seemingly) properly. I think the problem might be related to "group"
behavior. But what is odd is that I've been programming with Revolution for
years and don't recall having this problem, even though I've written things
equivalent to what I'm working on now (a dictionary display system). But
perhaps it _is_ different in having so many groups (6 or so) on one card.

rand valentine




From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Feb 26 12:26:54 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:26:54 +0000
Subject: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <47BEF305.3020102@fourthworld.com>
References: <47BEF305.3020102@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0E803266-9756-41A3-93B1-B1DA963BC733@looktowindward.com>


On 22 Feb 2008, at 16:06, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Lars Brehmer wrote:
>
> > ...do the rev developers themselves plan to make that platform
> > a standalone option? I guess that can't really be answered until
> > everyone has seen the SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible?
> > I am keeping my fingers crossed!
>
> Software is just lights dancing on a screen. Everything is possible.
>
> They key question is whether there is a compelling business case  
> for investing the time.
>
> If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd  
> make an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler  
> API, and a much larger installed base.

While that may be true of the iPhone on it's own, the iPod has 80% of  
the mp3 player and with the addition of the iPod Touch this is bound  
to grow. Also since they is very little difference between the iPhone  
and the iPod Touch, I reckon the market will be humungus!

All the Best
Dave



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 12:52:03 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:52:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: autosave / enter as save? 2.9B
Message-ID: <869412.13081.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Presumably as:

revTemplateScriptEditor

is a stack (which seems to have its main script at the
card level), it should be "relatively easy" [ - this
is my way of telling you that I have tried this and
not succeeded - but that doesn't mean others won't
manage it ] to edit the script so it always goes down
the "Apply Changes" path and bypasses the other
options.

Of course this would be an ad hoc solution unless it
were applied by the developers back at RR HQ.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From dalesvp at centurytel.net  Tue Feb 26 13:34:24 2008
From: dalesvp at centurytel.net (Dale Pond)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:34:24 -0700
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C@centurytel.net>

I've been watching this Auto Save thread. I would REALLY REALLY love  
to have a script that did what HC did with the DoMenu command.

DoMenu "Save"

or similar script addition that saves the stack when a particular  
script completes its run.

I've tried it but can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions?

Life, Light, Love & Laughter,
Dale Pond
Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
http://www.svpvril.com/





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 13:52:24 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:52:24 -0800
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <C3E99FE8.4C62D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 2/26/08 10:34 AM, "Dale Pond" <dalesvp at centurytel.net> wrote:

> I've been watching this Auto Save thread. I would REALLY REALLY love
> to have a script that did what HC did with the DoMenu command.
> 
> DoMenu "Save"
> 
> or similar script addition that saves the stack when a particular
> script completes its run.
> 
> I've tried it but can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions?
Why wouldn't the step
   save this stack

work for you?  I use it frequently.

and even trapping this to do some sort of maint and conditioning by

on saveStackRequest -- delete all cards but the first
  repeat with x = the number of cards down to 2
    delete card x
  end if
  pass saveStackRequest -- or the stack won't be saved
end saveStackRequest

Jim ?ult
Las Vegas




From coiin at rcn.com  Tue Feb 26 13:53:21 2008
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:53:21 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C@centurytel.net>
References: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <p0624081ac3ea1022bae7@[192.168.0.89]>

At 11:34 AM -0700 2/26/08, Dale Pond wrote:
>
>DoMenu "Save"


I just tried this script in a button, on a card that also had a field 
named "time":

on mouseUp
   put the long time into field "time"
   save this stack
end mouseUp

It seems to work fine.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 26 14:16:24 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:16:24 -0800
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <47C46588.7030108@fourthworld.com>

Dale Pond wrote:

> I've been watching this Auto Save thread. I would REALLY REALLY love  
> to have a script that did what HC did with the DoMenu command.
> 
> DoMenu "Save"
> 
> or similar script addition that saves the stack when a particular  
> script completes its run.
> 
> I've tried it but can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions?

Much of what HC used to do can be done in Rev, without having to type 
DoMenu.

The save command will do what you need here:

   save stack "StackName"

or

   save this stack


You could have an auto-save like HC's with something like this on your 
stack script or in a library if you want it for all your stacks (check 
out Rev's Plugins - they're easy to make):

   on closeCard
      save this stack
      pass closeCard
   end closeCard

   on closeField
     save this stack
     pass closeField
   end closeField

Are there any other events that triggered HC's save?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb 26 14:44:03 2008
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:44:03 -0600
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec3e9e693fd67@192.168.0.89>
References: <CC24560C-DAFD-44D7-A117-EBA399A3215D@bellsouth.net>
	<fpv0rr$g0j$1@ger.gmane.org> <p06240806c3e8cce15339@192.168.0.89>
	<47C43459.9080303@tweedly.net> <p0624080ec3e9e693fd67@192.168.0.89>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210802261144p4ded5595m1d3e9b0249fe4803@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.

All our software products are released for people..not machines. I hate
products which force an install on only one machine and try my very best to
never use them.

-C


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb 26 15:28:29 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:28:29 +0100
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C@centurytel.net>
References: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <2172F2EA-B0F5-436B-9021-E37E82F6D93C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Dale,

You might be interested in a plugin written by Frederic Rinaldi named  
'Smart Save': http://rinaldicollection.free.fr/
It mimics HC behavior and saves your work automatically, useful for  
nostalgic HC users ;-)

Le 26 f?vr. 08 ? 19:34, Dale Pond a ?crit :

> I've been watching this Auto Save thread. I would REALLY REALLY  
> love to have a script that did what HC did with the DoMenu command.
>
> DoMenu "Save"
>
> or similar script addition that saves the stack when a particular  
> script completes its run.
>
> I've tried it but can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions?
>
> Life, Light, Love & Laughter,
> Dale Pond
> Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
> http://www.svpvril.com/

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 15:37:06 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:37:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <87960.90445.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, Hypercard didn't just save Scripts; it saved
everything constantly, which in one respect was useful
as you didn't have to keep remembering to save; but on
the other hand could be a right pain in the nether
regions if you went off on a tangent with code.

Elefat 

[  http://www.geocities.jp/choco_softcream/Elefat.zip 
]

saves constantly; and as I have been fooling around
with it recently I was reminded of what a bl**dy
nuisance this can be.

What would be lovely would be, for example, a button
on the tool palette where one could toggle autosave
off and on.

Guess I'm one of those awkward types who wants the
best of both worlds.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 15:52:25 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:52:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: concerning 2.9 as "free"
Message-ID: <427255.12115.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tying an install to one machine is like the chained
libraries of the middle-ages:

I do most of my progging upstairs on my G4; then pop
it on a nifty little USB external box that contains a
laptop HD and run downstairs.

Inevitably when I bung the stack on the Ubuntu
machines I use for Content delivery with the 6 year
olds everything is crap.

So, eschewing my love of running up and down 3 flights
of stairs every time I want to tweak a few lines of
code (which I could do on the Linux boxes but frankly
don't like as Gnome makes RR 2.2 go "a bit funny") or
twiddle around with an image: I cross the room to my
venerable G3 slot-loader (that usually functions for
playing EFL DVDs to the tinies and EFL listening
material to the adult students) and use "the other
copy" of my licensed version of Dreamcard there. The
G3 can also be linked via an overly long Ethernet
cable to the rubbish upstairs (try it sometime with 3
switches at easy stages pumping the signals all over
the building!) which is quite useful from time to
time: like pulling stacks downstairs while proctoring
an exam!

Needless to say it is only the house boggart who uses
Dreamcard upstairs while I'm downstairs: by the
boggart does far worse things with all my computers
continually: it being extremely dangerous to live and
work in a house where we believe in outmoded
fairy-tale figures :) But how else one accounts for
some of the things that happen on my computers I just
don't know.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From ric-holt at online.no  Tue Feb 26 17:36:40 2008
From: ric-holt at online.no (Richard Holton Pierce)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:36:40 +0100
Subject: The launch command
Message-ID: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>

I have been reworking  a HyperCard stack from the mid 1990s as a  
Revolution stack. It contains geographical coordinates for  
archaeological sites, and I am trying to make a handler that will  
launch Google Earth from within my stack and then paste a set of  
coordinates into Google's search field.

As a test I made the following routine:


on mouseUp

   put empty into field "Paster" -- this field will receive the  
coordinates

   set the defaultFolder to "Macintosh HD/Applications/"

   --set the htmlText of field "Show Web Page" to URL "http://earth.google.com/ 
"

   ask "Degrees N?"
   put it into a

   ask "Degrees E?"
   put it into b

   put a & comma & b into finner
   put finner after field "Paster"

   launch "Google Earth 4.2.205.5730.app" -- I have also tried: launch  
"Macintosh HD/Applications/Google Earth 4.2.205.5730.app/"

-- I haven't go to the the paste routine yet because I haven't got the  
launch to work.

end mouseUp


Everything wooks as expected, but the handler finishes without Google  
Earth being launched.

What mistakes am I making? How can I remedy them?


Richard P.



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Feb 26 17:48:53 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:48:53 +0100
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <87960.90445.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <87960.90445.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richmond,

Le 26 f?vr. 08 ? 21:37, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Well, Hypercard didn't just save Scripts; it saved
> everything constantly, which in one respect was useful
> as you didn't have to keep remembering to save; but on
> the other hand could be a right pain in the nether
> regions if you went off on a tangent with code.

HC was the only environment that did that:
I understand your and all others concerns.
I have replied to this in a previous email about  Smart Save form  
Frederic Rinaldi.

Rev is not HC and much more than HC.
I don't know any other development environment thats saves  
automatically.
Not any developer would want it: too dangerous, except for newbies :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 26 18:03:43 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:03:43 -0800
Subject: The launch command
Message-ID: <47C49ACF.5080801@fourthworld.com>

Richard Holton Pierce wrote:
> I have been reworking  a HyperCard stack from the mid 1990s as a  
> Revolution stack. It contains geographical coordinates for  
> archaeological sites, and I am trying to make a handler that will  
> launch Google Earth from within my stack and then paste a set of  
> coordinates into Google's search field.

Have you considered writing out a KLM file and then just using the 
"launch document" command?

KLM is a simple format, and will launch the app right to the location 
you're after.

I believe the "launch document" command works on both Mac and Win, so 
you can run it on both of you need to.

On a side note, if the database you're working with is for sites in 
North America (esp the southwest) I'd be very interested in learning 
more about it.  I've started collecting info for a rock art database, 
and have some other ideas about how software might be useful for the 
practice and teaching of archaeology.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 18:10:25 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:10:25 +1000
Subject: The launch command
In-Reply-To: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>
References: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802261510h2410a8bke079e90b26ce3b26@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Richard Holton Pierce
<ric-holt at online.no> wrote:
> I have been reworking  a HyperCard stack from the mid 1990s as a
>  Revolution stack. It contains geographical coordinates for
>  archaeological sites, and I am trying to make a handler that will
>  launch Google Earth from within my stack and then paste a set of
>  coordinates into Google's search field.
>
>  As a test I made the following routine:

>    launch "Google Earth 4.2.205.5730.app" -- I have also tried: launch
>  "Macintosh HD/Applications/Google Earth 4.2.205.5730.app/"
>
>  -- I haven't go to the the paste routine yet because I haven't got the
>  launch to work.
>

I think if you try:
  launch "/Applications/Google Earth 4.2.205.5730.app"
that will work. OS X deals with folder paths differently to previous
Mac systems and you don;t need to specify the hard disk at the start
of the path.

To confirm the file path, copy & paste this into the message box and
see what you get:
  answer file "Select Google Earth app"; put it

HTH,
Sarah


From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Feb 26 18:32:01 2008
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:32:01 -0800
Subject: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is
	password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....
Message-ID: <A0CC3C9F-4B52-4941-A259-CE6FAE9A9495@dvcreators.net>

Once upon a time, a programmer was working on a project, with many  
handlers that copy objects, for example, copy groups into groups to  
form scrolling groups, and everything was working great, and the  
programmer was very happy, and then, as a last step, he password  
protected the stack, then, the next day...

BLAMO!!!! Strange, bizarre things happened. Groups would not copy.  
Death and destruction reigned. Monitors came crashing out windows.  
Expletives burned the ears of innocent bystanders.

This programmer then leapt off a cliff, ending it all.


MORAL: If he had only put a single line of code:

set the passkey of this stack to "swordfish"

in the preOpenStack script, all would be fine.


Please, tell your kids about "passkey", don't let them suffer a  
similar fate!


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue Feb 26 18:39:30 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:39:30 +0000
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <87960.90445.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <47C4A332.9070504@anachreon.co.uk>

That's why AutoSave is now default in Word, Excel... :)
I'd have an AutoSave with diffs, but then why not go all the way and use 
Magic Carpet, which does so much more.


Cheers,

Luis.



Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
> 
> Le 26 f?vr. 08 ? 21:37, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :
> 
>> Well, Hypercard didn't just save Scripts; it saved
>> everything constantly, which in one respect was useful
>> as you didn't have to keep remembering to save; but on
>> the other hand could be a right pain in the nether
>> regions if you went off on a tangent with code.
> 
> HC was the only environment that did that:
> I understand your and all others concerns.
> I have replied to this in a previous email about  Smart Save form 
> Frederic Rinaldi.
> 
> Rev is not HC and much more than HC.
> I don't know any other development environment thats saves automatically.
> Not any developer would want it: too dangerous, except for newbies :-)
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 19:09:25 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:09:25 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <87960.90445.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802261609s3b30f699o441ff221ee7f77ba@mail.gmail.com>

I believe that I would be an exception to your statement, Eric, unless
my 25 years as a professional developer classifies me as a n00b
nowadays instead of a 1337 h4x0r


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 19:14:01 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:14:01 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <87960.90445.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<032155F5-EBB4-4C1B-82E5-8B596BEEE1E3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802261614vf78743as25aa30961964910e@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, yeah, and I would be remiss if I did not mention that 4D, an
environment that I have used with ridiculous frequency during the last
19 years, also auto-saves, and has for as long as I can remember.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 26 19:18:18 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:18:18 -0800
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <47C4AC4A.50602@fourthworld.com>

Mikey wrote:
> Oh, yeah, and I would be remiss if I did not mention that 4D, an
> environment that I have used with ridiculous frequency during the last
> 19 years, also auto-saves, and has for as long as I can remember.

Disk-paging systems generally do.  Unless they use some complicated 
cache-file scheme, they have no choice.

That's one of the things I love about Rev:  the developer is in control, 
not the tool.

If we want auto-save, it's easy to do. If we want traditional document 
behaviors, we can have that too.

Some apps need auto-save, some don't.  With Rev we can have it all.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 19:30:11 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:30:11 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <47C4AC4A.50602@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C4AC4A.50602@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802261630g27337645u96c6ac11a6c5b15f@mail.gmail.com>

Not to nitpick, but, ok, to nitpick,  I'm referring to the development
part of the product, not the DBMS.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 26 19:32:54 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:32:54 -0800
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <47C4AFB6.9060504@fourthworld.com>

Mikey wrote:
> Not to nitpick, but, ok, to nitpick,  I'm referring to the development
> part of the product, not the DBMS.

Is it a preference, or an edict?

:)

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 21:52:35 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:52:35 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <47C4AFB6.9060504@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C4AFB6.9060504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802261852g5f1c46cdh3f7c0158690e4d7c@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, that's the way it is.  All your methods, forms, etc. are
auto-saved.  At least for me that's a real timesaver since I don't
have to constantly accept changes to some method when I close it (like
RR, each object opens its own instance of the method editor), because
I'm frequently in twenty or thirty different forms, methods, etc. at
once.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 03:59:31 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:59:31 +0000
Subject: The launch command
In-Reply-To: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>
References: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>
Message-ID: <BC7B7C94-DD75-4BDD-9FEA-BD6E97E1B25B@azurevision.co.uk>


On 26 Feb 2008, at 22:36, Richard Holton Pierce wrote:

> and I am trying to make a handler that will launch Google Earth from  
> within my stack and then paste a set of coordinates into Google's  
> search field.

I think you're going about this in a much harder way than needed.  
Google Earth is directly scriptable via AppleScript (with a few quirks).

Stick the following in a field or custom property:

tell application "Google Earth"
	set tPos to GetViewInfo
	set latitude of tPos to tLat
	set longitude of tPos to tLong
	set distance of tPos to tDist
	SetViewInfo tPos speed tSpeed
end tell

Then use the following function:

function ijwGELib_setView tLat tLong tDist tSpeed
   if tSpeed is empty then put 0.5 into tSpeed
   put text of fld "setView" of card "applescripts" of stack  
"GoogleEarthLib" into tScript -- replace this with the location of  
your field or customprop
   replace "tLat" with tLat in tScript
   replace "tLong" with tLong in tScript
   replace "tDist" with tDist in tScript
   replace "tSpeed" with tSpeed in tScript
   do tScript as applescript
   return the result
end ijwGELib_setView

The following should get you started on retrieving information from  
GE, but note that you can't currently get Altitude. :-(

on getGPSfromGE
   put "tell application" && quote & "Google Earth" & quote & return &  
"copy (GetViewInfo) to tInfo" & return & "get latitude of tInfo" &  
return & "end tell" into tScript
   do tScript as applescript
   put round(the result,5) into fld "latitude"
   put "tell application" && quote & "Google Earth" & quote & return &  
"copy (GetViewInfo) to tInfo" & return & "get longitude of tInfo" &  
return & "end tell" into tScript
   do tScript as applescript
   put 0 - round(the result,5) into fld "longitude"
   put 0 into fld "altitude"
end getGPSfromGE

Ian

P.S. Richard - it would be either a KML or more likely KMZ file, as  
you say this would then be cross-platform.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 04:02:53 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:02:53 +0000
Subject: The launch command
In-Reply-To: <BC7B7C94-DD75-4BDD-9FEA-BD6E97E1B25B@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>
	<BC7B7C94-DD75-4BDD-9FEA-BD6E97E1B25B@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6B1FDA33-A381-4CA2-9CD2-46EFF147EDBE@azurevision.co.uk>


On 27 Feb 2008, at 08:59, Ian Wood wrote:

> P.S. Richard - it would be either a KML or more likely KMZ file, as  
> you say this would then be cross-platform.

That should be Richard Gaskin, hadn't noticed there were two Richards  
in the thread...


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 05:31:14 2008
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:31:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: This is really lovely!
Message-ID: <419668.86993.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://cocoasamurai.blogspot.com/2008/02/complete-xcode-keyboard-shortcut-list.html

Well, if anybody has the time . . .

And, especially as we have all just been told about
some fairly obscure keyboard shortcuts for AutoSave
and so forth . . .

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 27 05:47:04 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:47:04 +0000
Subject: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is
	password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....
In-Reply-To: <A0CC3C9F-4B52-4941-A259-CE6FAE9A9495@dvcreators.net>
References: <A0CC3C9F-4B52-4941-A259-CE6FAE9A9495@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <C17F2016-8CD9-4176-9281-B69BF1FF519E@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I'm not sure I follow this, are you saying that you can't set the  
passkey from another stack and do your copy thing?

I guess setting the passkey in the stack itself is ok if you can hard- 
wire your password/passkey, but what if you can't use a literal?

All the Best
Dave

On 26 Feb 2008, at 23:32, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> Once upon a time, a programmer was working on a project, with many  
> handlers that copy objects, for example, copy groups into groups to  
> form scrolling groups, and everything was working great, and the  
> programmer was very happy, and then, as a last step, he password  
> protected the stack, then, the next day...
>
> BLAMO!!!! Strange, bizarre things happened. Groups would not copy.  
> Death and destruction reigned. Monitors came crashing out windows.  
> Expletives burned the ears of innocent bystanders.
>
> This programmer then leapt off a cliff, ending it all.
>
>
> MORAL: If he had only put a single line of code:
>
> set the passkey of this stack to "swordfish"
>
> in the preOpenStack script, all would be fine.
>
>
> Please, tell your kids about "passkey", don't let them suffer a  
> similar fate!
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 27 05:53:06 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:53:06 +0100
Subject: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is
	password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....
In-Reply-To: <A0CC3C9F-4B52-4941-A259-CE6FAE9A9495@dvcreators.net>
References: <A0CC3C9F-4B52-4941-A259-CE6FAE9A9495@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <3D68057B-6019-456B-98A4-0B8306F9ACDF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Josh,

In a protected stack, you can't copy of course but you may clone :-)

Le 27 f?vr. 08 ? 00:32, Josh Mellicker a ?crit :

> Once upon a time, a programmer was working on a project, with many  
> handlers that copy objects, for example, copy groups into groups to  
> form scrolling groups, and everything was working great, and the  
> programmer was very happy, and then, as a last step, he password  
> protected the stack, then, the next day...
>
> BLAMO!!!! Strange, bizarre things happened. Groups would not copy.  
> Death and destruction reigned. Monitors came crashing out windows.  
> Expletives burned the ears of innocent bystanders.
>
> This programmer then leapt off a cliff, ending it all.
>
>
> MORAL: If he had only put a single line of code:
>
> set the passkey of this stack to "swordfish"
>
> in the preOpenStack script, all would be fine.
>
>
> Please, tell your kids about "passkey", don't let them suffer a  
> similar fate!

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 05:56:08 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:56:08 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:43 AM, J. Landman Gay

Do you have the PDF2RTF service installed? It's required. It's working
> for me in Tiger.
>

Thanks so much Jacque for stepping in; sorry I left some in the lurch but I
had to turn up to my real job and then due to unforeseen circumstances ended
gone much longer than expected :-(

Yes, in a previous post I gave the URL to Devon Technolgies:

http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html

to pick up PDF2RTFService which is good for 10.4.x and later.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 07:25:00 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:25:00 +0000
Subject: The launch command
In-Reply-To: <BC7B7C94-DD75-4BDD-9FEA-BD6E97E1B25B@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <CC8BBD7D-D82C-47A4-85FE-9147E00E522A@online.no>
	<BC7B7C94-DD75-4BDD-9FEA-BD6E97E1B25B@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ABCB85EF-CC28-444C-837E-36A23E371C24@azurevision.co.uk>

To expand on this a bit...

The Latitude and Longitude have to be in decimal form (you may have to  
experiment a bit with +- depending on where your figures are coming  
from), tDist is the viewing height in metres and tSpeed is an  
arbitrary number from 0.1 to 5, 5 being instant.

Ian


On 27 Feb 2008, at 08:59, Ian Wood wrote:

> Then use the following function:
>
> function ijwGELib_setView tLat tLong tDist tSpeed
>  if tSpeed is empty then put 0.5 into tSpeed
>  put text of fld "setView" of card "applescripts" of stack  
> "GoogleEarthLib" into tScript -- replace this with the location of  
> your field or customprop
>  replace "tLat" with tLat in tScript
>  replace "tLong" with tLong in tScript
>  replace "tDist" with tDist in tScript
>  replace "tSpeed" with tSpeed in tScript
>  do tScript as applescript
>  return the result
> end ijwGELib_setView



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb 27 07:45:47 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:45:47 +0000
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>

Does anyone know of a way to send a keypress into the system from Rev - 
natively or with extensions?

Obviously transcript includes a mechanism to move the user's mouse cursor; but 
I'm not aware of a similar mechanism to in effect type a key for them (or, for 
that matter, to click a mouse button for them).  Have I missed anything?

Assuming not, has anyone tried to do this, eg using an external, or using a 
helper app of some kind?

(Context: I'm using Rev to make a kiosk browser app; in some instances 
there'll be no keyboard, so I want my app to provide an on-screen keyboard 
instead.  There are plenty of third-party options for on-screen keyboards, but 
it would be much neater if I could build it in Rev so that it can be nicely 
integrated; but when the user clicks on "A", I need to send that keypress to 
the RevBrowser instance.)

TIA for any suggestions,

- Ben



From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Wed Feb 27 08:02:55 2008
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (GIRARD Damien)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:02:55 +0100
Subject: Unidecode, encoded text as UTF8 ?
Message-ID: <47C55F7F.50608@laposte.net>

Hi all,

I have a problem, I did not have a Mac computer, and I cannot try.
I want to encode some text as UTF8 on a little endian platform, (UTF8 in 
order to support japanese, chinese...),
I want to know if I can retrieve the encoded text if I am on a 
big-endian platform (PowerPC for example).

Regards,

Damien


From arthur.rann at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 08:03:16 2008
From: arthur.rann at gmail.com (Arthur Rann)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:03:16 -0600
Subject: This has to be easy! Tell a program not to open a file
In-Reply-To: <EC99EEFA-86E1-4703-B6E9-B169A56B6922@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <64bccb0c0801310709h16f8c2a1ve64d99eb66391eb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC99EEFA-86E1-4703-B6E9-B169A56B6922@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <64bccb0c0802270503q33b8c650kca96622e7673fa99@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,
We took your advice, but we were unable to figure out how to not load the
file if it's in $1. If $1 contains something we don't want, what do we do
then? Right now we just show an error message and quit. Obviously, this is
not ideal. What do we do next?

Thank you!!!
Art

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Art,
>
> I always include a symbol, tag or item in files that are created by
> my standalones. Before I start the read routine, I check whether this
> symbol, tag or item is correct. If it is, I continue reading the
> file, if it isn't I show a message that the file cannot be displayed.
>
> If you want to prevent your standalone from loading stacks, you might
> need to handle the reload message and check the variable $1 on
> Windows or catche the appleEvent message on Mac.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 31-jan-2008, om 16:09 heeft Arthur Rann het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Hi,
> > We have users forcing documents from one of our apps to be opened
> > in another
> > of our apps by using the right click in Windows. Is there a way to
> > make a
> > Rev based program only allow one type of document to be opened
> > (this is on
> > Windows)?
> >
> > Thank you!!!
> > Art
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From arthur.rann at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 08:04:50 2008
From: arthur.rann at gmail.com (Arthur Rann)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:04:50 -0600
Subject: This has to be easy! Tell a program not to open a file
In-Reply-To: <EC99EEFA-86E1-4703-B6E9-B169A56B6922@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <64bccb0c0801310709h16f8c2a1ve64d99eb66391eb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC99EEFA-86E1-4703-B6E9-B169A56B6922@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <64bccb0c0802270504s1ebebed8r900f7e67fdad0ee3@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, also, how do you put a tag in software that you can check before you
perform your Read, as you suggest? Is there some other way to access the
file other than read?
Thanks!!!
Art

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Art,
>
> I always include a symbol, tag or item in files that are created by
> my standalones. Before I start the read routine, I check whether this
> symbol, tag or item is correct. If it is, I continue reading the
> file, if it isn't I show a message that the file cannot be displayed.
>
> If you want to prevent your standalone from loading stacks, you might
> need to handle the reload message and check the variable $1 on
> Windows or catche the appleEvent message on Mac.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 31-jan-2008, om 16:09 heeft Arthur Rann het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Hi,
> > We have users forcing documents from one of our apps to be opened
> > in another
> > of our apps by using the right click in Windows. Is there a way to
> > make a
> > Rev based program only allow one type of document to be opened
> > (this is on
> > Windows)?
> >
> > Thank you!!!
> > Art
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 27 08:12:46 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:12:46 +0100
Subject: Unidecode, encoded text as UTF8 ?
In-Reply-To: <47C55F7F.50608@laposte.net>
References: <47C55F7F.50608@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <E9D5A9AD-64CE-4B7A-BD6A-F30B93021FF7@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Damien,

You need to switch the bytes:
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/101626>

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 27 feb 2008, at 14:02, GIRARD Damien wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem, I did not have a Mac computer, and I cannot try.
> I want to encode some text as UTF8 on a little endian platform,  
> (UTF8 in order to support japanese, chinese...),
> I want to know if I can retrieve the encoded text if I am on a big- 
> endian platform (PowerPC for example).
>
> Regards,
>
> Damien



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 27 08:31:53 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:31:53 +0100
Subject: This has to be easy! Tell a program not to open a file
In-Reply-To: <64bccb0c0802270503q33b8c650kca96622e7673fa99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64bccb0c0801310709h16f8c2a1ve64d99eb66391eb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC99EEFA-86E1-4703-B6E9-B169A56B6922@economy-x-talk.com>
	<64bccb0c0802270503q33b8c650kca96622e7673fa99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76420063-3F84-4FAB-9ADD-A27E45E8E561@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Art,

You could hide all windows of your application on startup or  
preOpenStack, check the file, and quit silently if the file is  
invalid, but I believe that showing an error message is the right  
thing to do.

With regard to your other question, you don't need to read the entire  
file at once. For example, assuming you have a command readSomeFile $1:

on readSomeFile theFile
   open file theFile for binary read
   read for 10 -- bytes
   if it is "specialtag" then
     put it into myData
     read from file theFile until EOF
     put it after myData
     -- now you can do something with myData
   else
     -- show an error message
   end if
   close file theFile
end readSomeFile

Additionally, you can check the file extension, and on the Mac the  
creator and file type, even before reading the first 10 bytes of the  
file.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 27 feb 2008, at 14:03, Arthur Rann wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> We took your advice, but we were unable to figure out how to not  
> load the
> file if it's in $1. If $1 contains something we don't want, what do  
> we do
> then? Right now we just show an error message and quit. Obviously,  
> this is
> not ideal. What do we do next?
>
> Thank you!!!
> Art
>



From dalesvp at centurytel.net  Wed Feb 27 09:08:39 2008
From: dalesvp at centurytel.net (Dale Pond)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:08:39 -0700
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions and detailed discussion on  
the Auto Save feature.
I did implement it (save this stack) into my stack indexing scripts  
and it works perfectly. The stack is now auto saved after indexing  
all the cards in the stack which is done after I add a new card(s).

Reckon I feel a bit sheepish after that simple script command -  
probably still have my head up HC's ...

PS: Filemaker also auto saves...

Life, Light, Love & Laughter,
Dale Pond
Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
http://www.svpvril.com/





From mikeythek at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 09:08:02 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>
References: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802270608g64e65f2dub86e639b4d089597@mail.gmail.com>

HA!  I totally forgot about FM.


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Feb 27 09:33:33 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:33:33 +0000
Subject: Open Socket Question
In-Reply-To: <47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>
References: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>
	<47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <0EE8B98D-FFD8-4505-AF7F-4A62CF611064@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I just got around the writing the code for this. A couple of questions:

1)  Regarding:

> - when the openSockets contains all the addresses in your original  
> list, you're done

I'm not sure what you mean by "done", all servers will be connected  
to the Client, but is there anything specific I need to do if/when  
this happens. If the In my App if the Client is not connected to a  
Server then nothing special happens, if it is connected then messages  
are sent periodically.

2)  In the socketError and socketTimeout handlers, how can I tell if  
the error presented is because of a Connect to Server problem or a  
general read/write problem? Can I just check in "the openSockets" and  
if it's there assume it's from a read/write problem?

3)  In my App, a Server is only allowed to Accept connections from  
Certain Clients (this is controlled by the IP Address and a Value  
passed to the Server in the Connection Request).  This is my Accept  
code:

function IStartServer theServerPortNumber

   --
   --  Accept Connection(s) from Client(s)
   --
   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
"ISMServerContactedByClient"

   return empty
end IStartServer

on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
   local myResult

   --
   --  Check for Error
   --
   put the result into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then exit ServerContactedByClient
   read from socket theIPAddress for kPacketCountSize chars with  
message "ISMServerReceivedPacketSize"

end ServerContactedByClient

Can I just look up "theIPAddress" in "ServerContactedByClient" and if  
it's not in the list of valid Clients, do do an "exit  
ServerContactedByClient" to ignore the request?




Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 21 Feb 2008, at 21:36, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I don't have time to write sample code right now, but one approach  
> would be:
>
> - set the socketTimeoutInterval to something reasonable
> - make a 'connectToServerApp' handler that opens one socket, using  
> the params passed to it by 'startClient'
> - let 'StartClient' do this once for each line in your server list:
>      send ("connectToServerApp" && tOneIpAddress) to stack in 0 ticks
> - make a 'socketTimeout' handler than resends the  
> 'connectToServerApp' cmd (with params) to stack in x ticks
> - make a 'socketError' that notifies you of connection failures
> - when the openSockets contains all the addresses in your original  
> list, you're done
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Dave wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a number of applications that communicate with each other  
>> using TCP/IP Sockets. For a given application, I want to be able  
>> to connect it to a number of "server" applications, however the  
>> "server" apps make or may not be running, so what I want to be  
>> able to do is to issue an open socket to a "server" application  
>> and if the connection is made add it to a "connected" table and if  
>> not, carry on the to next server, but try to open the socket again  
>> at a later time.
>>
>> I can't seem to be able to get my head around the code needed to  
>> do this!
>>
>> Basically I have a Function that gets called with a list of the IP  
>> Addresses in the for - aa.bb.cc.dd:port and a ConnectionID, I want  
>> to be able to open a socket to each IP/Port with the specified  
>> ConnectionID . The function definition for this is as follows:
>>
>> function StartClient theConnectToServerList,theConnectionID
>>
>> theConnectToServerList is a list of the following
>>
>> 192.168.1.100:6000
>> 192.168.1.100:6002
>> 192.168.1.100:6004
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> Any ideas on how achieve this gracefully would be greatly  
>> appreciated!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 09:41:24 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:41:24 +0000
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0802270608g64e65f2dub86e639b4d089597@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>
	<9b408d8e0802270608g64e65f2dub86e639b4d089597@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E8031BF-9CB1-481E-A555-C9E5E39FD4F3@anachreon.co.uk>

Insofar as I know all of these DBs autosave, yes, even Access.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 27 Feb 2008, at 14:08, Mikey wrote:

> HA!  I totally forgot about FM.
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 09:55:51 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:55:51 -0500
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <9E8031BF-9CB1-481E-A555-C9E5E39FD4F3@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>
	<9b408d8e0802270608g64e65f2dub86e639b4d089597@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E8031BF-9CB1-481E-A555-C9E5E39FD4F3@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802270655v473bfe3fk2a5705828779be9a@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't used Access in about a year, but I thought that I had to
confirm a save when closing a form.  Maybe I'm just using an old
version...maybe I'm just and olde version.


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 10:27:45 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:27:45 -0600
Subject: Debugging Help
Message-ID: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>

I'm having trouble chasing down a problem: I have a field that is 
getting cleared as soon as you tab out of it.  I can't seem to locate 
where in the message path this is happening.  This SPECIFIC problem is 
mine to solve (punishment for a less than organized development approach).

What I'm wondering is if there is a way to show the path a message would 
take through the message heirarchy.  In other words is there some way I 
could send an exitField (or closeField) message to a specific field and 
then get some sort of listing of the path that message would take?  In 
other words, is there some way to simulate the "traceroute" command used 
in networking to the message path?

The other debugging chore I'd like to have is a stack compare function.  
Would it be difficult to create a function that would take two stack 
names as arguments and then display in two side by side panes the 
differences between them?  Not just scripts but objects, properties, 
etc?  I'm thinking of something like the interface that the 
"BeyondCompare" program (used to compare text files).

Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated.

len morgan


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 10:34:54 2008
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:34:54 +0000
Subject: Auto Save
In-Reply-To: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>
References: <D4844573-56D0-49E6-9DAE-6F4C32FAFC63@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <7E4AD656-0778-4B8F-9AF5-344F0B384E41@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Feb 2008, at 14:08, Dale Pond wrote:
> PS: Filemaker also auto saves...

I was going to say it doesn't auto-save layout changes. You get asked  
to save when switching back to Browse mode. But I see there's a  
preference to allow auto-saving of layouts. I don't remember what the  
default was.

Dave


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 27 10:36:38 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:36:38 -0800
Subject: Auto Save
Message-ID: <47C58386.5090805@fourthworld.com>

Dale Pond wrote:
> Thanks to all of you for your suggestions and detailed discussion on  
> the Auto Save feature.
> I did implement it (save this stack) into my stack indexing scripts  
> and it works perfectly. The stack is now auto saved after indexing  
> all the cards in the stack which is done after I add a new card(s).

Glad that worked out.

> Reckon I feel a bit sheepish after that simple script command -  
> probably still have my head up HC's ...

No need to feel sheepish.  When I first started using Rev in '97 (back 
when the engine was called "MetaCard") I was convinced it was wrong 
wrong wrong on so many counts.  In my book, if it didn't work like 
SuperCard it was just stupid. :)

Thankfully the good folks on the list helped me understand the "why" 
behind the differences, and with their patient assistance I came to not 
only understand how to use Rev well, but also to appreciate that in many 
ways it's a more flexible tool.

Perhaps the only thing harder than learning is unlearning.  With the 
varied experience of the folks on this list, this is a valuable resource 
for both processes.

> PS: Filemaker also auto saves...

Yes, most apps that page portions of the file from disk have no choice, 
and so they can't offer that choice to the developer.  There are many 
more, including SuperCard.

For apps like iTunes auto-save is a good fit, and as you've seen you can 
have that behavior with minimal effort.

But if you're making something like TextEdit you'll want traditional 
document behaviors, and with Rev you can have those too.

I know it sounds awfully trite, but in my experience it's true: with Rev 
you can pretty much have it all.

Like Rule #1 in Apple Human Interface Guidelines: the user is in control.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Feb 27 10:40:32 2008
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:40:32 -0700
Subject: This is really lovely!
In-Reply-To: <419668.86993.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <419668.86993.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <504DC76F-77D6-4DE2-BD6A-9366218FA5CD@byu.edu>


On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:31 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> http://cocoasamurai.blogspot.com/2008/02/complete-xcode-keyboard- 
> shortcut-list.html
>
> Well, if anybody has the time . . .
>
> And, especially as we have all just been told about
> some fairly obscure keyboard shortcuts for AutoSave
> and so forth . . .

Well, I do have this list I pulled together a few weeks ago:

http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php

Regards,

devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From xavier.bury at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 27 11:08:45 2008
From: xavier.bury at googlemail.com (Xavier Bury)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:08:45 +0100
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
References: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <81eb34c40802270808h1115a8abya3bb8359584abbdd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Len

For your first problem, you can watch what is happening using the Message
watcher (in the development menu).

Put a message handler like this into your field's script:

on tabkey
  breakpoint
  pass tabkey -- debug step into here
end tabkey

(note it could another message like keydown or keyup etc that's triggering
the fld clearing, the msg watcher will tell...)

Once in debug mode at the breakpoint, continuing in debugging "into" the
pass tabkey handler should take you to the "other" tabkey script above in
the hierarchy that is clearing your field...

hope that helps...

For the second problem, it's a huge undertaiking that im sure has been done
before... Look around, maybe someone will tell you where to get it...

Cheers
Xavier

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:

> I'm having trouble chasing down a problem: I have a field that is
> getting cleared as soon as you tab out of it.  I can't seem to locate
> where in the message path this is happening.  This SPECIFIC problem is
> mine to solve (punishment for a less than organized development approach).
>
> What I'm wondering is if there is a way to show the path a message would
> take through the message heirarchy.  In other words is there some way I
> could send an exitField (or closeField) message to a specific field and
> then get some sort of listing of the path that message would take?  In
> other words, is there some way to simulate the "traceroute" command used
> in networking to the message path?
>
> The other debugging chore I'd like to have is a stack compare function.
> Would it be difficult to create a function that would take two stack
> names as arguments and then display in two side by side panes the
> differences between them?  Not just scripts but objects, properties,
> etc?  I'm thinking of something like the interface that the
> "BeyondCompare" program (used to compare text files).
>
> Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> len morgan
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From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Wed Feb 27 11:11:43 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:11:43 +0100
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
References: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <E4ECFBA3-1CC0-421D-9584-08CD25024941@free.fr>

Hi,

> I'm having trouble chasing down a problem: I have a field that is  
> getting cleared as soon as you tab out of it.  I can't seem to  
> locate where in the message path this is happening.  This SPECIFIC  
> problem is mine to solve (punishment for a less than organized  
> development approach).

Did you try to use the message watcher ( Development Menu ) ?
If not, put your stack just before the behavior you want to check.
Start the message watcher, if too much messages, click on the  
suppress button
and add these messages which pollute your test,... and slowly you  
should go
to the conclusion:  " Ah ! mais bien sur ! "


> What I'm wondering is if there is a way to show the path a message  
> would take through the message heirarchy.  In other words is there  
> some way I could send an exitField (or closeField) message to a  
> specific field and then get some sort of listing of the path that  
> message would take?  In other words, is there some way to simulate  
> the "traceroute" command used in networking to the message path?


Mmm, AFAIK, doesn't exist yet this jewel... But, I'm not an expert,  
so....
If it's one or two messages you want to follow, and very much  
narrowed to one
precise situation. Make a handler like this:

on MyMsgToFollow
    put the name of me && ".. what ever you like" &cr after gLog
    pass MyMsgToFollow
end MyMsgToFollow

and put it in every object  you think it could pass by....
then check your gLog variable ( global ), you get the route !


> Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated.

So, it was "any" :-)

Regards,
Thierry




From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Feb 27 11:13:15 2008
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:13:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Coverflow in Rev
Message-ID: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>


Has anyone been able to create Coverflow using Rev for Mac applications?
-- 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 11:19:33 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:19:33 -0800
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C3EACD95.4C6B3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 2/27/08 7:27 AM, "Len Morgan" <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:

> I'm having trouble chasing down a problem: I have a field that is
> getting cleared as soon as you tab out of it.  I can't seem to locate
> where in the message path this is happening.  This SPECIFIC problem is
> mine to solve (punishment for a less than organized development approach).
> 
> What I'm wondering is if there is a way to show the path a message would
> take through the message heirarchy.  In other words is there some way I
> could send an exitField (or closeField) message to a specific field and
> then get some sort of listing of the path that message would take?  In
> other words, is there some way to simulate the "traceroute" command used
> in networking to the message path?
> 
> The other debugging chore I'd like to have is a stack compare function.
> Would it be difficult to create a function that would take two stack
> names as arguments and then display in two side by side panes the
> differences between them?  Not just scripts but objects, properties,
> etc?  I'm thinking of something like the interface that the
> "BeyondCompare" program (used to compare text files).
> 
> Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated.

You could do this:


on buildTRoute
global gTracerHandler
--  build script
get "on tracePing pingText" & cr
get it & "global gTraceRouteReport" & cr
get it & " put the long id of me & cr & pingText & cr after
gTraceRouteReport" & cr

get it & " pass tracePing pingText" & cr
get it & " end tracePing "
--end building script
put it into gTracerHandler
-- the handler is ready to be installed in all containers

--now do the controls on the current card
--  we store the original script in a custom property in the same control,
card, or stack
repeat for x = 1 to the number of controls
put the script of control x into orig
set the origScriptOfMe of control x to orig
set the script of control x to orig & cr & tracerHandler

end repeat
--now do the stack and card scripts
put the script of this stack into orig
set the origScriptOfMe of this stack to orig
set the script of this stack to orig & cr & tracerHandler

put the script of this card into orig
set the origScriptOfMe of this card to orig
set the script of this card to orig & cr & tracerHandler

end buildTRoute

--of course you don't need to store and restore the original scripts, just
make a copy of the stack.  If you do need to restore, then
set the script of control x to the origScriptOfMe of control x


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb 27 11:40:54 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:40:54 +0000
Subject: Open Socket Question
In-Reply-To: <0EE8B98D-FFD8-4505-AF7F-4A62CF611064@looktowindward.com>
References: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>	<47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>
	<0EE8B98D-FFD8-4505-AF7F-4A62CF611064@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47C59296.407@tweedly.net>

Dave wrote:
>
> 3)  In my App, a Server is only allowed to Accept connections from 
> Certain Clients (this is controlled by the IP Address and a Value 
> passed to the Server in the Connection Request).  This is my Accept code:
>
> function IStartServer theServerPortNumber
>
>   --
>   --  Accept Connection(s) from Client(s)
>   --
>   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message 
> "ISMServerContactedByClient"
>
>   return empty
> end IStartServer
>
> on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
>   local myResult
>
>   --
>   --  Check for Error
>   --
>   put the result into myResult
>   if myResult <> empty then exit ServerContactedByClient
>   read from socket theIPAddress for kPacketCountSize chars with 
> message "ISMServerReceivedPacketSize"
>
> end ServerContactedByClient
>
> Can I just look up "theIPAddress" in "ServerContactedByClient" and if 
> it's not in the list of valid Clients, do do an "exit 
> ServerContactedByClient" to ignore the request?
>
>
That would kind of work, because you neither read from, nor write to, 
the socket, so the connection isn't 'active'. However, the connection 
will still be open, so you really ought to do "close theIPAddress"    
(btw, I think the documentation is misleading. It says the parameter to 
the handler called when the connection is open contains the IP Address, 
when in fact it contains the socket descriptor - typically an IP Address 
and port, but sometimes IP Addr + port + connectionID. I find it 
confusing to name that parameter "theIPAddress"; I always call it 
pSocket :-).


Also, I'm curious.This is probably just because you've snipped code to 
send it here, but just in case it isn't ....

you look at "the result" immediately - what do you expect it to contain 
at that point ?


-- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 11:42:44 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:42:44 +0000
Subject: Coverflow in Rev
In-Reply-To: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <388B2876-8CEB-42FA-9AB3-F4A494DCF287@azurevision.co.uk>

I'm not sure how you'd be able to - the only thing anywhere near that  
we have direct access to in Rev is Core Image transitions.

Ian

On 27 Feb 2008, at 16:13, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Has anyone been able to create Coverflow using Rev for Mac  
> applications?



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 27 11:43:57 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:43:57 +0100
Subject: Coverflow in Rev
In-Reply-To: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F3083732-B060-43D0-B179-56D58C619765@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Charles!

On Apple's website, I have found some applets that contain scripts  
showing any set of files in a QuickLook or QuickView window, but I  
haven't found a way to use CoverFlow. I'd be very interested in a way  
to get this done within Revolution.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



On 27 feb 2008, at 17:13, Charles Szasz wrote:

>
> Has anyone been able to create Coverflow using Rev for Mac  
> applications?



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 27 11:43:17 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:43:17 -0800
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>

TYPE doesn't do what you want?

this has been around since the begnning of xtalks.

>Does anyone know of a way to send a keypress into the system from 
>Rev - natively or with extensions?
>
>Obviously transcript includes a mechanism to move the user's mouse 
>cursor; but I'm not aware of a similar mechanism to in effect type a 
>key for them (or, for that matter, to click a mouse button for 
>them).  Have I missed anything?
>
>Assuming not, has anyone tried to do this, eg using an external, or 
>using a helper app of some kind?
>
>(Context: I'm using Rev to make a kiosk browser app; in some 
>instances there'll be no keyboard, so I want my app to provide an 
>on-screen keyboard instead.  There are plenty of third-party options 
>for on-screen keyboards, but it would be much neater if I could 
>build it in Rev so that it can be nicely integrated; but when the 
>user clicks on "A", I need to send that keypress to the RevBrowser 
>instance.)
>
>TIA for any suggestions,
>
>- Ben

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 12:31:52 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:31:52 -0600
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <81eb34c40802270808h1115a8abya3bb8359584abbdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
	<81eb34c40802270808h1115a8abya3bb8359584abbdd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C59E88.6070903@crcom.net>

I had forgotten the Message Watcher!

Is there any documentation on the Message Watcher?  I'm getting way to 
many messages.  I'm not sure if I try to Supress Messages whether I'm 
supposed to put in the messages I WANT to see (a few) or the ones I 
DON'T want to see (this would be a long list).

Also, there is a number in () after each message.  What does this mean?  
The problem I ran into is that if I have a closeField handler in the 
object, the group it's in, the card it's on and the stack it's in, the 
message watch isn't telling me WHICH closeField handler is causing the 
problem.

I've tried the single step route but any time I hit a "put" statement 
(which puts text in the message box), the debugger stops working and the 
whole thing is locked up until I hit "Run" in the debugger.  Is there 
some problem single stepping from one stack to another or from my stack 
to some IDE element?

I'm going to give Jim Ault's suggestion a try but it involves a lot more 
work.

I actually found where the source of my problem is (although it's just 
as baffling as the problem above).  The field I'm tabbing out of is a 
badge number.  When the field is closed, I want to query the database 
for that badge number and then insert the Officer Name (from the 
database) in the next field over.  I'm using the following:

on closeField
put the target into tTarget
put tTarget into tNbrFld
put fld tNbrFld into tVal
if tVal is a number....  The code continues on from here to look up the 
badge number etc.
...
else clear the field
end if
end closeField

I have this little snippet of code on several fields (in different 
groups) and they work fine.  What's happening on this particular field 
is that when I single step through the code, the step "put fld tNbrFld 
into tVal" put empty into tVal (which is of course, not a number).   The 
code is IDENTICAL  (even had my non-programmer wife compare the two) but 
the behavior is different.  Can anyone explain why this would be true?

Thanks again!!

len morgan

Xavier Bury wrote:
> Hi Len
>
> For your first problem, you can watch what is happening using the Message
> watcher (in the development menu).
>
> Put a message handler like this into your field's script:
>
> on tabkey
>   breakpoint
>   pass tabkey -- debug step into here
> end tabkey
>
>   
>


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Wed Feb 27 12:46:21 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:46:21 +0100
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <47C59E88.6070903@crcom.net>
References: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>
	<81eb34c40802270808h1115a8abya3bb8359584abbdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C59E88.6070903@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <CDFF6E1D-BD6E-4DCF-9208-EB8A0770EDC1@free.fr>


Le 27 f?vr. 08 ? 18:31, Len Morgan a ?crit :


> Also, there is a number in () after each message.  What does this  
> mean?

ticks !  ( relative time )

> <....>  The code is IDENTICAL  (even had my non-programmer wife  
> compare the two) but the behavior is different.  Can anyone explain  
> why this would be true?


Well, Context !
In different context, the same code will behave differently....
So, not the same Datas, not the same Initialization process, etc....

HTH,
Regards,
Thierry




From mickclns at mac.com  Wed Feb 27 12:53:21 2008
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:53:21 -0500
Subject: AutoSave
In-Reply-To: <20080227133210.C3A07489D14@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080227133210.C3A07489D14@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8BD722E6-E426-4D73-AF8F-A893C9B0459E@mac.com>

We all want it all, how about having it all?  Have a default autosave  
for newbies, and a set of preferences for later:  continued autosave,  
with a changeable time span between autosaves, a message that comes  
up that asks if you want to save (a reminder), with Yes, Never or  
some number of minutes until ask again, don't ask again, auto  
archive, auto archive with delete after so much time, auto archive  
every nth save, archive with ask, etc. so many options.  After many  
people have made their preferences known, perhaps rev dev could come  
up with a solution for (nearly) all.

Personally, I like choice, I would like a dialog that would simply  
remind me to save with an archive button and a wait button with a  
field for a number of minutes (with a default).


On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:32 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:34:24 -0700
> From: Dale Pond <dalesvp at centurytel.net>
> Subject: Auto Save
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <BC215C86-9914-4733-955F-7C302E32970C at centurytel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=US-ASCII;	delsp=yes;	format=flowed
>
> I've been watching this Auto Save thread. I would REALLY REALLY love
> to have a script that did what HC did with the DoMenu command.
>
> DoMenu "Save"
>
> or similar script addition that saves the stack when a particular
> script completes its run.
>
> I've tried it but can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions?
>
> Life, Light, Love & Laughter,
> Dale Pond
> Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
> http://www.svpvril.com/
>



From engleerica at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 13:11:51 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:11:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: autosave
In-Reply-To: <20080227180006.4EC7D489B6B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <69958.62816.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

autosave really should be a u.i. option; a simple
checkbox to set autosave (a handler) to true or false
for scripts or cards or both would be appreciated in 2.9

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb 27 13:11:04 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:11:04 +0000
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>
	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>

On 27/2/08 16:43, Stephen Barncard wrote:
> TYPE doesn't do what you want?
> 
> this has been around since the begnning of xtalks.
> 
>> Does anyone know of a way to send a keypress into the system from Rev 
>> - natively or with extensions?
>>
>> Obviously transcript includes a mechanism to move the user's mouse 
>> cursor; but I'm not aware of a similar mechanism to in effect type a 
>> key for them (or, for that matter, to click a mouse button for them).  
>> Have I missed anything?
>>
>> Assuming not, has anyone tried to do this, eg using an external, or 
>> using a helper app of some kind?
>>
>> (Context: I'm using Rev to make a kiosk browser app; in some instances 
>> there'll be no keyboard, so I want my app to provide an on-screen 
>> keyboard instead.  There are plenty of third-party options for 
>> on-screen keyboards, but it would be much neater if I could build it 
>> in Rev so that it can be nicely integrated; but when the user clicks 
>> on "A", I need to send that keypress to the RevBrowser instance.)

I'd forgotten about type, thank you!

But sadly 'type' doesn't do what I need; it simulates typing for the Rev 
stack, but not for the system.  Evidently a browser instance is really a 
window layered on top of the stack (at least on Mac); 'type' has no effect if 
the focus is on a text field in the browser instance.   I don't think 'type' 
does anything you couldn't do in transcript, finding the selection in a field 
and inserting characters.

So, thank you for the suggestion; but I'm still looking.  Granted that 'type' 
exists, I'm more doubtful if there is anything else in Rev (though I'd still 
be delighted to be 'reminded' of something else that I'd 'forgotten'); does 
anybody know of ways to fake a keypress to the system?  Evidently it's 
possible at a Cocoa or similar level, as there are various programs that for 
example allow you to use an apple remote and selectively map buttons on the 
remote to keypresses.  But I don't even know how to do it at that level, and I 
was hoping to avoid writing my first external for about five years...

TIA,

- Ben




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Feb 27 13:32:03 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:32:03 +0100
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>
	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>
	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 27, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

>
> So, thank you for the suggestion; but I'm still looking.  Granted  
> that 'type' exists, I'm more doubtful if there is anything else in  
> Rev (though I'd still be delighted to be 'reminded' of something  
> else that I'd 'forgotten'); does anybody know of ways to fake a  
> keypress to the system?  Evidently it's possible at a Cocoa or  
> similar level, as there are various programs that for example allow  
> you to use an apple remote and selectively map buttons on the remote  
> to keypresses.  But I don't even know how to do it at that level,  
> and I was hoping to avoid writing my first external for about five  
> years...


Might this work?

Put the chars you want onto clipboard in Rev - use a suitable time  
delay (send in...)
the use an applescript which pastes into the topmost application.

Capiche?

sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 27 13:34:39 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:34:39 -0800
Subject: AutoSave
In-Reply-To: <8BD722E6-E426-4D73-AF8F-A893C9B0459E@mac.com>
References: <20080227133210.C3A07489D14@mail.runrev.com>
	<8BD722E6-E426-4D73-AF8F-A893C9B0459E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ac3eb5bd40ff1@[192.168.1.70]>

this is an example of something that can be created as a simple 
plug-in by third parties and is pretty far down the list of  "really 
needed" features compared to the many requests for things that need 
to be done at the engine level.

One nice thing about this little community is that helpers like what 
you describe can be easliy crafted - and then shared with the rest of 
us - so why not make a plugin as you descirbed yourself?

>We all want it all, how about having it all?  Have a default 
>autosave for newbies, and a set of preferences for later:  continued 
>autosave, with a changeable time span between autosaves, a message 
>that comes up that asks if you want to save (a reminder), with Yes, 
>Never or some number of minutes until ask again, don't ask again, 
>auto archive, auto archive with delete after so much time, auto 
>archive every nth save, archive with ask, etc. so many options. 
>After many people have made their preferences known, perhaps rev dev 
>could come up with a solution for (nearly) all.
>
>Personally, I like choice, I would like a dialog that would simply 
>remind me to save with an archive button and a wait button with a 
>field for a number of minutes (with a default).
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb 27 13:39:29 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:39:29 +0000
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>

On 27/2/08 18:32, Jim Sims wrote:

> Might this work?
> 
> Put the chars you want onto clipboard in Rev - use a suitable time delay 
> (send in...)
> the use an applescript which pastes into the topmost application.

An ingenious suggestion, which might indeed work for some apps; but not for a 
browser instance inside Rev.  Your suggestion did make me test what happened 
if my Rev app executed 'paste' while the focus was on a text field in the web 
page in the browser instance in the stack: the result was can't "paste (empty 
clipboard or locked destination)".

Keep the suggestions coming - these are all good ideas which might work for 
some contexts - just haven't yet found the one that answers mine!

thanks,

- Ben



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Feb 27 13:43:58 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:43:58 +0100
Subject: Beware of the mob! Was "Re: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X"
In-Reply-To: <E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>
	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>
	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <5F1818E9-49F8-44DE-AF9F-4DD80F467550@major-k.de>

Buonasera Signore,

> ,,,
> Capiche?

CAPICHE????? CAPICHE?????
You want to make fun of "la famiglia"?

Bad idea and not good for your and your familys health, capisce?!

:-D

> sims
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ClipaSearch Pro
> http://www.ClipaTools.com
>
> Across Platforms - Code and Culture
> http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/

Ciao amico :-)

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Feb 27 13:42:51 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:42:51 +0100
Subject: AutoSave
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ac3eb5bd40ff1@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <20080227133210.C3A07489D14@mail.runrev.com>
	<8BD722E6-E426-4D73-AF8F-A893C9B0459E@mac.com>
	<p0624080ac3eb5bd40ff1@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <76E75EA6-76D0-442B-B2A0-D05645453ED6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Dear Stephen,

Le 27 f?vr. 08 ? 19:34, Stephen Barncard a ?crit :

> One nice thing about this little community is that helpers like  
> what you describe can be easliy crafted - and then shared with the  
> rest of us - so why not make a plugin as you descirbed yourself?

Because it exists yet:  http://rinaldicollection.free.fr/
:-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 13:42:37 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:42:37 +0000
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <658A41D7-1B3E-4632-B505-0AE9D76B5D9E@azurevision.co.uk>


On 27 Feb 2008, at 18:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> On 27/2/08 18:32, Jim Sims wrote:
>
>> Might this work?
>> Put the chars you want onto clipboard in Rev - use a suitable time  
>> delay (send in...)
>> the use an applescript which pastes into the topmost application.
>
> An ingenious suggestion, which might indeed work for some apps; but  
> not for a browser instance inside Rev.  Your suggestion did make me  
> test what happened if my Rev app executed 'paste' while the focus  
> was on a text field in the web page in the browser instance in the  
> stack: the result was can't "paste (empty clipboard or locked  
> destination)".

He didn't mean use Rev's internal paste command, but to use  
AppleScript to make the frontmost application (in this case Rev) paste.

Ian



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Feb 27 13:55:36 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:55:36 +0100
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <CCBB7C08-8BE4-4E3F-B11D-EB8B4CB46CAE@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 27, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> An ingenious suggestion, which might indeed work for some apps; but  
> not for a browser instance inside Rev.  Your suggestion did make me  
> test what happened if my Rev app executed 'paste' while the focus  
> was on a text field in the web page in the browser instance in the  
> stack: the result was can't "paste (empty clipboard or locked  
> destination)".


I haven't tested here so this is more of a question...

My suggestion was  to have applescript perform the paste.
I think the following is paste but might be copy (cannot find my key  
code
cheat sheet).
-------------------

tell application "System Events"
	set frontApp to name of first application process whose frontmost is  
true
end tell


tell application  frontApp
	activate
	tell application "System Events"
		key code 8 using command down  --34 id for Dvorck keyboard
	end tell
end tell



sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ClipaSearch Pro
http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 14:06:33 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:06:33 -0600
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <CDFF6E1D-BD6E-4DCF-9208-EB8A0770EDC1@free.fr>
References: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>	<81eb34c40802270808h1115a8abya3bb8359584abbdd@mail.gmail.com>	<47C59E88.6070903@crcom.net>
	<CDFF6E1D-BD6E-4DCF-9208-EB8A0770EDC1@free.fr>
Message-ID: <47C5B4B9.205@crcom.net>

While you may be right (it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, even 
the first time today!), as best I can tell these are the same.  I'll 
explain:

I have a set of groups that act kind of like "sub-cards" on a single 
card.  Only one of these groups is visible at a time (a set of buttons 
on the side selects the "current group" and makes the previous group 
invisible and the selected one visible.

Both groups have a field, xxx_code where "xxx" is either "completed_by" 
or "assessed_by."  They also both have an adjacent field called xxx_name.

The script for both of these fields is IDENTICAL.  There is no other 
processing (at least as far as I can see) between pressing tab on the 
field and the closeField message.  Yes, I'm sure there are rawkeydown 
messages and such that go on but I don't handle any of those messages so 
they should be being handled by the engine.

I'm really at a loss as to why one handler works (i.e., gives me the 
number I entered) and the one that returns "empty."  Very strange!

len morgan

Thierry wrote:
>
> Le 27 f?vr. 08 ? 18:31, Len Morgan a ?crit :
>
>
>> Also, there is a number in () after each message.  What does this mean?
>
> ticks !  ( relative time )
>
>> <....>  The code is IDENTICAL  (even had my non-programmer wife 
>> compare the two) but the behavior is different.  Can anyone explain 
>> why this would be true?
>
>
> Well, Context !
> In different context, the same code will behave differently....
> So, not the same Datas, not the same Initialization process, etc....
>
> HTH,
> Regards,
> Thierry
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 27 14:33:21 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:33:21 -0600
Subject: AutoSave
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ac3eb5bd40ff1@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <20080227133210.C3A07489D14@mail.runrev.com>	<8BD722E6-E426-4D73-AF8F-A893C9B0459E@mac.com>
	<p0624080ac3eb5bd40ff1@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <47C5BB01.9050207@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> 
> One nice thing about this little community is that helpers like what you 
> describe can be easliy crafted - and then shared with the rest of us - 
> so why not make a plugin as you descirbed yourself?
> 
>> We all want it all, how about having it all?  Have a default autosave 
>> for newbies, and a set of preferences for later:  continued autosave, 
>> with a changeable time span between autosaves,

Rev ships with the "SmartSave" plugin. Users just need to turn it on.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 27 14:34:04 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:34:04 -0500
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <CCBB7C08-8BE4-4E3F-B11D-EB8B4CB46CAE@ezpzapps.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
	<CCBB7C08-8BE4-4E3F-B11D-EB8B4CB46CAE@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <B65C2361-1E28-4BC2-8309-66CA419AA92A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 27, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

> My suggestion was  to have applescript perform the paste.
> I think the following is paste but might be copy (cannot find my key  
> code
> cheat sheet).
> ...
> tell application  frontApp
> 	activate
> 	tell application "System Events"
> 		key code 8 using command down  --34 id for Dvorck keyboard
> 	end tell
> end tell

8 is the C Key. 9 is the V key which I think is what you are after  
(you are using virtual key codes, right?).

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Feb 27 14:45:10 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:45:10 +0100
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <B65C2361-1E28-4BC2-8309-66CA419AA92A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
	<CCBB7C08-8BE4-4E3F-B11D-EB8B4CB46CAE@ezpzapps.com>
	<B65C2361-1E28-4BC2-8309-66CA419AA92A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <86B7C4AD-A0B4-4049-AB19-B399A42B8CBE@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
> 8 is the C Key. 9 is the V key which I think is what you are after  
> (you are using virtual key codes, right?).
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore

Yup  :-/


If field "z" contains this (could also use a Custom Property):

tell application "System Events"
		key code 9 using command down
	end tell


Then fake button for letter "A" is this:

on mouseUp
set the clipboardData["text"] to "A"
do fld "z" as Applescript
end mouseUp


sims
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb 27 14:59:19 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:59:19 +0000
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <658A41D7-1B3E-4632-B505-0AE9D76B5D9E@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
	<658A41D7-1B3E-4632-B505-0AE9D76B5D9E@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47C5C117.1050407@cogapp.com>

On 27/2/08 18:42, Ian Wood wrote:
> 
> On 27 Feb 2008, at 18:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> 
>> On 27/2/08 18:32, Jim Sims wrote:
>>
>>> Might this work?
>>> Put the chars you want onto clipboard in Rev - use a suitable time 
>>> delay (send in...)
>>> the use an applescript which pastes into the topmost application.
>>
>> An ingenious suggestion, which might indeed work for some apps; but 
>> not for a browser instance inside Rev.  Your suggestion did make me 
>> test what happened if my Rev app executed 'paste' while the focus was 
>> on a text field in the web page in the browser instance in the stack: 
>> the result was can't "paste (empty clipboard or locked destination)".
> 
> He didn't mean use Rev's internal paste command, but to use AppleScript 
> to make the frontmost application (in this case Rev) paste.

Sadly, Rev doesn't actually honor the 'paste' applescript event - you can only 
have it execute a script, hence perform it's own paste command - which gets 
back to the problem noted before.

But, Jim Sim's suggestion of AppleScripting the "System Events" utility, which 
I didn't know about, works a treat - no need in fact for the clipboard at all, 
just use "key code X" directly for the character to be inserted.  Superb, 
thanks very much!

- Ben



From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Feb 27 18:20:37 2008
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:20:37 -0800
Subject: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is
	password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....
In-Reply-To: <C17F2016-8CD9-4176-9281-B69BF1FF519E@looktowindward.com>
References: <A0CC3C9F-4B52-4941-A259-CE6FAE9A9495@dvcreators.net>
	<C17F2016-8CD9-4176-9281-B69BF1FF519E@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <3FD655C1-421B-46E8-9112-E3E5A73C1698@dvcreators.net>

Setting the passkey solved the problem. I used a literal.

It took me by surprise, because I did not expect password-protecting a  
stack to change any functionality.

It seems counter-intuitive (though it is in the docs)


On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:47 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure I follow this, are you saying that you can't set the  
> passkey from another stack and do your copy thing?
>
> I guess setting the passkey in the stack itself is ok if you can  
> hard-wire your password/passkey, but what if you can't use a literal?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 26 Feb 2008, at 23:32, Josh Mellicker wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time, a programmer was working on a project, with many  
>> handlers that copy objects, for example, copy groups into groups to  
>> form scrolling groups, and everything was working great, and the  
>> programmer was very happy, and then, as a last step, he password  
>> protected the stack, then, the next day...
>>
>> BLAMO!!!! Strange, bizarre things happened. Groups would not copy.  
>> Death and destruction reigned. Monitors came crashing out windows.  
>> Expletives burned the ears of innocent bystanders.
>>
>> This programmer then leapt off a cliff, ending it all.
>>
>>
>> MORAL: If he had only put a single line of code:
>>
>> set the passkey of this stack to "swordfish"
>>
>> in the preOpenStack script, all would be fine.
>>
>>
>> Please, tell your kids about "passkey", don't let them suffer a  
>> similar fate!
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 19:19:20 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:19:20 +0000
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <B65C2361-1E28-4BC2-8309-66CA419AA92A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>	<CCBB7C08-8BE4-4E3F-B11D-EB8B4CB46CAE@ezpzapps.com>
	<B65C2361-1E28-4BC2-8309-66CA419AA92A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <47C5FE08.8080400@anachreon.co.uk>

Why not just type it in by hand?

Cheers,

Luis.


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Jim Sims wrote:
> 
>> My suggestion was  to have applescript perform the paste.
>> I think the following is paste but might be copy (cannot find my key code
>> cheat sheet).
>> ...
>> tell application  frontApp
>>     activate
>>     tell application "System Events"
>>         key code 8 using command down  --34 id for Dvorck keyboard
>>     end tell
>> end tell
> 
> 8 is the C Key. 9 is the V key which I think is what you are after (you 
> are using virtual key codes, right?).
> 
> Regards,
> 


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 19:35:07 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:35:07 +0800
Subject: AutoSave
In-Reply-To: <47C5BB01.9050207@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20080227133210.C3A07489D14@mail.runrev.com>
	<8BD722E6-E426-4D73-AF8F-A893C9B0459E@mac.com>
	<p0624080ac3eb5bd40ff1@192.168.1.70>
	<47C5BB01.9050207@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802271635o52e5ec97oe336258e334e5d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:33 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Rev ships with the "SmartSave" plugin. Users just need to turn it on.
>

Oh snap !!!


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 19:56:08 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:56:08 +0800
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
Message-ID: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of days ago I had gmail go all haywire on me. This was in FireFox,
OSX.

As a fall back I started up Safari and was able to access my account but
noted that the URL was http: when I'm sure it used to be https:

Since then I've gone back into FireFox, trashed the gmail cookie,
reconnected to gmail and it's https:, whilst if I log in at the same time
with Safari it's http:, in fact:

FireFox: https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox

Safari: http://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox

What gives?


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 27 21:55:35 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:55:35 -0800
Subject: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is
 password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....
Message-ID: <47C622A7.7030408@fourthworld.com>

Josh Mellicker wrote:
> It took me by surprise, because I did not expect password-protecting a  
> stack to change any functionality.
> 
> It seems counter-intuitive (though it is in the docs)

I thought so to, at first.  But then it occurred to me:  if my protected 
stack could have its objects copied out of it, then any object with code 
in it could be copied into another non-protected stack so it could be 
read/borrowed/stolen/used to crack my license scheme.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From lelandj at mail.smvfp.com  Wed Feb 27 21:16:07 2008
From: lelandj at mail.smvfp.com (Leland F. Jackson, CPA)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:16:07 -0500
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>

I've never used qMail, so I'm making some assumption here.  Perhaps this 
will help:

When you connect to your WebMail Server using https://, everything is 
encrypted including your user name and password.  When you connect to 
your WebMail Server using http:// everything is sent to your WebMail 
server in plain text.  The WebMail server is a middleman that brokers 
between your computer and the SMTP mail Server.  You can see the link at 
the bottom for more information:

#--------------------------------
Excerpt:

As a recipient, you can generally retrieve your email by either using a 
web-based interface known as "WebMail", or via an "email client" 
program, such as Microsoft Outlook or Eudora, running on your personal 
computer. The email client programs will talk directly to your email 
server and speak IMAP or POP. With WebMail, your computer will talk to a 
WebMail server using a web connection (speaking HTTP); the WebMail 
server will, in turn, talk to your email server using POP or IMAP.

*The Lack of Security in Email*

    * *WebMail*: If the connection to your WebMail server is "insecure"
      (i.e. the address is http:// and NOT https://), then all
      information including your username and password is not encrypted
      as it passes between the WebMail server and your computer.
    * *SMTP*: SMTP <http://luxsci.com/extranet/info/email-smtp.html>
      does not encrypt messages. All communications between SMTP servers
      send your messages in plain text for any eavesdropper to see.
      Additionally, if your email server requests that you send your
      username and password to "login" to the SMTP server in order to
      relay messages to other servers, then these are also sent in plain
      text, subject to eavesdropping. Finally, messages sent via SMTP
      include information about which computer they were sent from and
      what email program was used. This information, available to all
      recipients, may be a privacy concern.

http://www.google.com/search?q=https+for+email&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or

http://preview.tinyurl.com/39kzc9

#--------------------------------------------

Regards,

LelandJ

Kay C Lan wrote:
> A couple of days ago I had gmail go all haywire on me. This was in FireFox,
> OSX.
>
> As a fall back I started up Safari and was able to access my account but
> noted that the URL was http: when I'm sure it used to be https:
>
> Since then I've gone back into FireFox, trashed the gmail cookie,
> reconnected to gmail and it's https:, whilst if I log in at the same time
> with Safari it's http:, in fact:
>
> FireFox: https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox
>
> Safari: http://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox
>
> What gives?
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From lelandj at mail.smvfp.com  Wed Feb 27 21:24:00 2008
From: lelandj at mail.smvfp.com (Leland F. Jackson, CPA)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:24:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C61B40.30606@mail.smvfp.com>

Whoops, the link I provided should have been:

http://luxsci.com/extranet/articles/email-security.html

Regards,

LelandJ

Kay C Lan wrote:
> A couple of days ago I had gmail go all haywire on me. This was in FireFox,
> OSX.
>
> As a fall back I started up Safari and was able to access my account but
> noted that the URL was http: when I'm sure it used to be https:
>
> Since then I've gone back into FireFox, trashed the gmail cookie,
> reconnected to gmail and it's https:, whilst if I log in at the same time
> with Safari it's http:, in fact:
>
> FireFox: https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox
>
> Safari: http://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox
>
> What gives?
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Wed Feb 27 23:34:56 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:34:56 -0500
Subject: Faking keypresses on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <86B7C4AD-A0B4-4049-AB19-B399A42B8CBE@ezpzapps.com>
References: <47C55B7B.3000302@cogapp.com>	<p06240805c3eb436956d3@[192.168.1.70]>	<47C5A7B8.2040002@cogapp.com>
	<E38521DF-6631-4EEB-922F-B5FF4A8491ED@ezpzapps.com>
	<47C5AE61.2030908@cogapp.com>
	<CCBB7C08-8BE4-4E3F-B11D-EB8B4CB46CAE@ezpzapps.com>
	<B65C2361-1E28-4BC2-8309-66CA419AA92A@mangomultimedia.com>
	<86B7C4AD-A0B4-4049-AB19-B399A42B8CBE@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <0C895C48-F907-409F-BCF9-FC772C66C526@comcast.net>

There is also the other system event codes:

Processes Suite  -  Terms and Events for controlling Processes
	click v : cause the target process to behave as if the UI element  
were clicked
		click [UI element] : The UI element to be clicked.
			[at list] : when sent to a "process" object, the { x, y } location  
at which to click, in global coordinates
			? UI element
	key code v : cause the target process to behave as if key codes were  
entered
		key code integer : The key code(s) to be sent. May be a list.
			[using command down/control down/option down/shift down] :  
modifiers with which the key codes are to be entered
	keystroke v : cause the target process to behave as if keystrokes  
were entered
		keystroke text : The keystrokes to be sent.
			[using command down/control down/option down/shift down] :  
modifiers with which the keystrokes are to be entered

HTH

Tom


On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>
>> 8 is the C Key. 9 is the V key which I think is what you are after  
>> (you are using virtual key codes, right?).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -- 
>> Trevor DeVore
>
> Yup  :-/
>
>
> If field "z" contains this (could also use a Custom Property):
>
> tell application "System Events"
> 		key code 9 using command down
> 	end tell
>
>
> Then fake button for letter "A" is this:
>
> on mouseUp
> set the clipboardData["text"] to "A"
> do fld "z" as Applescript
> end mouseUp
>
>
> sims
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ClipaSearch Pro
> http://www.ClipaTools.com
>
> Across Platforms - Code and Culture
> http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/
>
>
>
>
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 28 00:23:18 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:23:18 +1100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210802251544x7af3a43eq728d17fcda6ecf3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3EC9076.49FD%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

I'd really like to be able to trap the pasteKey message in the Rev IDE but
the IDE hogs it unless you 'suspend development tools' (which I don't want
to do). Does anyone have any idea where the pasteKey message is intercepted
and if it is possible to divert it or pass it to my custom handler?

Regards,

Terry...



From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Feb 28 02:52:47 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:52:47 +0100
Subject: What happens if a font is not installed on the hosting OS?
In-Reply-To: <20080227180006.A2150489B80@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080227180006.A2150489B80@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5E39CD0A-5E12-406C-AC44-A7E6D12363A1@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

I am a bit puzzled here. I am experimenting with fonts and what  
happens when a font is not installed on the hosting OS. I always  
thought Rev would fall back to Tahoma on Windows and Lucida on a Mac.  
However, when I created a stack (on the Mac), set different text fonts  
I know are not installed on Windows, then saved and launched it on the  
Winbox the text fields DO fall back to something, however it does not  
seem to be the same font for all fields...

Any ideas on that?

All the best,

Malte


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:00:05 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:00:05 +0800
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA <
lelandj at mail.smvfp.com> wrote:

> I've never used qMail, so I'm making some assumption here.  Perhaps this
> will help:
>
> When you connect to your WebMail Server using https://, everything is
> encrypted including your user name and password.  When you connect to
> your WebMail Server using http:// everything is sent to your WebMail
> server in plain text.  The WebMail server is a middleman that brokers
> between your computer and the SMTP mail Server.  You can see the link at
> the bottom for more information:
>

Yes, which is exactly why I noticed and was concerned that the address was
plain http:

The strange thing is that both FireFox and Safari start at the exact same
'https:' login page, it's only after you've entered your details that Safari
(after toing and froing between https: and http:) ends up on http: whilst
FireFox ends up on https:

I was just wondering if anyone on the list used Safari & Gmail and whether
the connection is http or https? Is it selectable somewhere?

Thanks


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Thu Feb 28 04:06:34 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:06:34 +0100
Subject: Debugging Help
In-Reply-To: <47C5B4B9.205@crcom.net>
References: <47C58171.4070307@crcom.net>	<81eb34c40802270808h1115a8abya3bb8359584abbdd@mail.gmail.com>	<47C59E88.6070903@crcom.net>
	<CDFF6E1D-BD6E-4DCF-9208-EB8A0770EDC1@free.fr>
	<47C5B4B9.205@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <F672BAF9-FC0E-43CB-A796-1D406A39E945@free.fr>

Bonjour Len,

> While you may be right

I'm :-)
I wrote such a general statement, can't miss this one :-)
But too  broad, so probably not useful enough...

> (it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, even the first time  
> today!), as best I can tell these are the same.

That's one of the point... We believe we see the whole picture,
but we generally don't, and even more with tools driven by events,  
and GUI.


> <....> The script for both of these fields is IDENTICAL.  There is  
> no other processing (at least as far as I can see) between pressing  
> tab on the field and the closeField message.  Yes, I'm sure there  
> are rawkeydown messages and such that go on but I don't handle any  
> of those messages so they should be being handled by the engine.

Why not factorising your fields scripts in a card script, if they do  
the same ?

> I'm really at a loss as to why one handler works (i.e., gives me  
> the number I entered) and the one that returns "empty."  Very strange!

Well, without the stack and the code, a bit difficult to think about  
this....
So, with my morning coffee, few guesses :-)

Are you sure you don't have 2 times a field with the same name in  
your culprit group ?
  ( so you see on the screen one, and your script the second one...)
A typo ?
Are you quoting the field's names in your script ?
Did you tried to erase and retype your culprit script ?
etc....

Good luck and Enjoy your Day,
Thierry



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb 28 04:46:05 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:46:05 -0800
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3EBC2DD.38A73%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Kay C Lan wrote:

> The strange thing is that both FireFox and Safari start at the exact same
> 'https:' login page, it's only after you've entered your details that Safari
> (after toing and froing between https: and http:) ends up on http: whilst
> FireFox ends up on https:

FWIW, on my 10.4.11 system, both browsers land on http pages (neither shows
as secure).  FF = 2.0.0.12, Safari = 3.0.4

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 28 05:16:17 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:16:17 +0100
Subject: What happens if a font is not installed on the hosting OS?
In-Reply-To: <5E39CD0A-5E12-406C-AC44-A7E6D12363A1@derbrill.de>
References: <20080227180006.A2150489B80@mail.runrev.com>
	<5E39CD0A-5E12-406C-AC44-A7E6D12363A1@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1931792F-8970-4452-92CF-75D52EB3606D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Malte,

Looking at the nicely styled text field of the password stack* that I  
uploaded recently, the lay-out is completely destroyed if I move the  
stack from Mac to Windows XP. It was created on a Mac.

The textFont and textSize properties stay as they were, but the entire  
text displays in Tahoma 11. This is a bit confusing perhaps, since  
size 11 is not in Revolution's Text menu. What troubles me is that not  
only the font is displayed in Tahoma, but regardless of the text sizes  
I have used, the entire text is displayed at size 11.

"Not the same font for all fields..." I don't see that here. Which  
fonts do you get on Windows?

* Download the password stack from the developers section on the  
Economy-x-Talk homepage. Go to the homepage (see below), click on  
Developers on the left, then find the stack at the bottom of the page.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



On 28 feb 2008, at 08:52, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am a bit puzzled here. I am experimenting with fonts and what  
> happens when a font is not installed on the hosting OS. I always  
> thought Rev would fall back to Tahoma on Windows and Lucida on a  
> Mac. However, when I created a stack (on the Mac), set different  
> text fonts I know are not installed on Windows, then saved and  
> launched it on the Winbox the text fields DO fall back to something,  
> however it does not seem to be the same font for all fields...
>
> Any ideas on that?
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 28 05:20:19 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:20:19 +0100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <C3EC9076.49FD%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C3EC9076.49FD%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <F7B03412-5F99-4373-BEF9-EF20A0991106@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry,

The pasteKey message is probable trapped by Revolution in the front  
scripts.

Why do you want to trap it?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



On 28 feb 2008, at 06:23, Terry Judd wrote:

> I'd really like to be able to trap the pasteKey message in the Rev  
> IDE but
> the IDE hogs it unless you 'suspend development tools' (which I  
> don't want
> to do). Does anyone have any idea where the pasteKey message is  
> intercepted
> and if it is possible to divert it or pass it to my custom handler?
>
> Regards,
>
> Terry...



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 28 05:36:31 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:36:31 +1100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <F7B03412-5F99-4373-BEF9-EF20A0991106@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C3ECD9DF.4A0B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 28/2/08 9:20 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> The pasteKey message is probable trapped by Revolution in the front
> scripts.

Hmm, I checked those but there was no sign of it (or cutKey for that
matter).
> 
> Why do you want to trap it?

I'm working on a set of in-house authoring tools for a big educational
project we're about to start on and want them to run in the IDE so I can
take advantage of the various property inspector bits and bobs. Anyway, the
text content is being marked up using custom style tags and I'd like to be
able to copy the style tags and associated parameters to the clipboard,
select the text I want to wrap it around in the 'code' editor and then use a
pasteKey handler to sub the selected text into the style tag data and then
paste the lot into the selected chunk. This all works (provided you suspend
the IDE) without having to track and restore selections as the user jumps
from one context to another.

Regards,

Terry...

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.
> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 feb 2008, at 06:23, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>> I'd really like to be able to trap the pasteKey message in the Rev
>> IDE but
>> the IDE hogs it unless you 'suspend development tools' (which I
>> don't want
>> to do). Does anyone have any idea where the pasteKey message is
>> intercepted
>> and if it is possible to divert it or pass it to my custom handler?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Terry...
> 
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Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 28 05:54:15 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:54:15 +0100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <C3ECD9DF.4A0B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C3ECD9DF.4A0B%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C690F8D3-D761-43D8-8161-575EEB1C08C7@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry,

Running a project used by students in the IDE seems like a bad idea to  
me.

I just tried it and I see there is no way to trap the pasteKey handler  
before Revolution gets it, at least not in a field script for  
instance, but you can trap the commandKeyDown handler instead to  
achieve what you want.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html



On 28 feb 2008, at 11:36, Terry Judd wrote:

> On 28/2/08 9:20 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Terry,
>>
>> The pasteKey message is probable trapped by Revolution in the front
>> scripts.
>
> Hmm, I checked those but there was no sign of it (or cutKey for that
> matter).
>>
>> Why do you want to trap it?
>
> I'm working on a set of in-house authoring tools for a big educational
> project we're about to start on and want them to run in the IDE so I  
> can
> take advantage of the various property inspector bits and bobs.  
> Anyway, the
> text content is being marked up using custom style tags and I'd like  
> to be
> able to copy the style tags and associated parameters to the  
> clipboard,
> select the text I want to wrap it around in the 'code' editor and  
> then use a
> pasteKey handler to sub the selected text into the style tag data  
> and then
> paste the lot into the selected chunk. This all works (provided you  
> suspend
> the IDE) without having to track and restore selections as the user  
> jumps
> from one context to another.
>
> Regards,
>
> Terry...
>



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 05:55:08 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:55:08 +0800
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <C3EBC2DD.38A73%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3EBC2DD.38A73%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802280255xd31f022udc41f61922ce9f66@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> FWIW, on my 10.4.11 system, both browsers land on http pages (neither
> shows
> as secure).  FF = 2.0.0.12, Safari = 3.0.4
>
> Thanks Scott.

Mine is MacTel 10.4.11, FF = 2.0.0.8, Safari = 3.0.4

Hmmm, the plot thickens.


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 06:24:43 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:24:43 +0000
Subject: Open Socket Question
In-Reply-To: <47C59296.407@tweedly.net>
References: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>	<47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>
	<0EE8B98D-FFD8-4505-AF7F-4A62CF611064@looktowindward.com>
	<47C59296.407@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <EE4C8849-C992-4F3A-917D-90996B7D3AF1@looktowindward.com>


On 27 Feb 2008, at 16:40, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>>
>> 3)  In my App, a Server is only allowed to Accept connections from  
>> Certain Clients (this is controlled by the IP Address and a Value  
>> passed to the Server in the Connection Request).  This is my  
>> Accept code:
>>
>> function IStartServer theServerPortNumber
>>
>>   --
>>   --  Accept Connection(s) from Client(s)
>>   --
>>   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
>> "ISMServerContactedByClient"
>>
>>   return empty
>> end IStartServer
>>
>> on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
>>   local myResult
>>
>>   --
>>   --  Check for Error
>>   --
>>   put the result into myResult
>>   if myResult <> empty then exit ServerContactedByClient
>>   read from socket theIPAddress for kPacketCountSize chars with  
>> message "ISMServerReceivedPacketSize"
>>
>> end ServerContactedByClient
>>
>> Can I just look up "theIPAddress" in "ServerContactedByClient" and  
>> if it's not in the list of valid Clients, do do an "exit  
>> ServerContactedByClient" to ignore the request?
>>
>>
> That would kind of work, because you neither read from, nor write  
> to, the socket, so the connection isn't 'active'. However, the  
> connection will still be open, so you really ought to do "close  
> theIPAddress"    (btw, I think the documentation is misleading. It  
> says the parameter to the handler called when the connection is  
> open contains the IP Address, when in fact it contains the socket  
> descriptor - typically an IP Address and port, but sometimes IP  
> Addr + port + connectionID. I find it confusing to name that  
> parameter "theIPAddress"; I always call it pSocket :-).
>

The Server can "Accept" connections from a number of Clients, surely  
if I close the port, then no other clients will be able to connect.  
Or do you mean I should (on the Server) close the connection that is  
presented to the "ServerContactedByClient" handler? e.g. the IP/Port? 
ConnectionID of the Client?

> Also, I'm curious.This is probably just because you've snipped code  
> to send it here, but just in case it isn't ....
>
> you look at "the result" immediately - what do you expect it to  
> contain at that point ?

I think this was a snipping problem as you say, before I wasn't using  
a Callback Handler and so I needed to check the result after the  
command returned.  However, do need to check "the result" after the  
Accept command?:

   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
"ServerContactedByClient"

Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave













From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 28 06:32:53 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:32:53 +1100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <C690F8D3-D761-43D8-8161-575EEB1C08C7@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C3ECE715.4A11%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 28/2/08 9:54 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> Running a project used by students in the IDE seems like a bad idea to
> me.

It's only going to be used by a single developer who is putting the content
together. The finished project will be a standalone application with all the
content in a backend database.
> 
> I just tried it and I see there is no way to trap the pasteKey handler
> before Revolution gets it, at least not in a field script for
> instance, but you can trap the commandKeyDown handler instead to
> achieve what you want.

You know what, I just assumed that wouldn't work given that the pasteKey
message was being intercepted (dodgy logic on reflection).

Thanks!

Terry...
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.
> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 feb 2008, at 11:36, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>> On 28/2/08 9:20 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Terry,
>>> 
>>> The pasteKey message is probable trapped by Revolution in the front
>>> scripts.
>> 
>> Hmm, I checked those but there was no sign of it (or cutKey for that
>> matter).
>>> 
>>> Why do you want to trap it?
>> 
>> I'm working on a set of in-house authoring tools for a big educational
>> project we're about to start on and want them to run in the IDE so I
>> can
>> take advantage of the various property inspector bits and bobs.
>> Anyway, the
>> text content is being marked up using custom style tags and I'd like
>> to be
>> able to copy the style tags and associated parameters to the
>> clipboard,
>> select the text I want to wrap it around in the 'code' editor and
>> then use a
>> pasteKey handler to sub the selected text into the style tag data
>> and then
>> paste the lot into the selected chunk. This all works (provided you
>> suspend
>> the IDE) without having to track and restore selections as the user
>> jumps
>> from one context to another.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Terry...
>> 
> 
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Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Feb 28 06:36:40 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:36:40 +0000
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <C3EC9076.49FD%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C3EC9076.49FD%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <47C69CC8.90400@cogapp.com>

On 28/2/08 05:23, Terry Judd wrote:
 > I'd really like to be able to trap the pasteKey message in the Rev IDE but
 > the IDE hogs it unless you 'suspend development tools' (which I don't want
 > to do). Does anyone have any idea where the pasteKey message is intercepted
 > and if it is possible to divert it or pass it to my custom handler?

I have an app which also needs to do strange things to the clipboard before 
pasting (ie it takes what's in the clipboard, modifies it in various ways, 
then lets Rev paste the modified version, then restores the original).  It's a 
long time since I wrote this part, but I've been working with it in the IDE fine.

Looking at why this works for me; it's because the app has its own menubar.  I 
trap the menupick message so I can handle the paste command in my own way; the 
command key processing goes through this.   Since the custom menubar is set as 
the menubar for the stack (at least in Mac OS) it all just works pretty 
naturally.  Whenever I'm working in the stack, its own menubar is in force; 
and either command-V or the paste command on the menu go through my code.  I 
don't have to suspend the IDE; the standard toolbar is there, and if I click 
someone other than my stack, eg in any blank space on the standard toolbar, 
the Rev menubar appears.

I develop on Mac (though deploy x-platform) - mileage may be different on Windows.

HTH,

- Ben



From camm29 at tesco.net  Thu Feb 28 06:47:46 2008
From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:47:46 +0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
Message-ID: <20080228114746.8VAU9.512025.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Does anybody have a working solution to get more 
rs232 com ports 1 - 9 in rev ??????????????

This is a major drawback on developments , its has been raised as a bug
a long time ago.

Regards
Camm


From camm29 at tesco.net  Thu Feb 28 06:48:56 2008
From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:48:56 +0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
Message-ID: <20080228114856.UTYE9.512057.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Does anybody have a working solution to get more 
rs232 com ports 1 - 9 in rev ??????????????

This is a major drawback on developments , its has been raised as a bug
a long time ago.

Regards
Camm


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Feb 28 07:10:28 2008
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:10:28 +0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <20080228114856.UTYE9.512057.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20080228114856.UTYE9.512057.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <58335DF8-B5A6-4BD1-96CF-ECA1A9D2C29B@azurevision.co.uk>

I can't quite resist replying in the same way as last time...

I'm pretty sure enhancement requests don't get considered unless they  
have more votes. Giving the URL to the enhancement request makes it  
much easier for people to add their votes:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5169

Next, there are currently two votes. That means there are 265  
enhancements with more votes.
http://tinyurl.com/3b4ogd

Assigning your full five votes instead of the single vote you've  
assigned would already bring that down to 128.
http://tinyurl.com/2jyqpu

Ian

On 28 Feb 2008, at 11:48, <camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have a working solution to get more
> rs232 com ports 1 - 9 in rev ??????????????
>
> This is a major drawback on developments , its has been raised as a  
> bug
> a long time ago.
>
> Regards
> Camm
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Feb 28 07:44:08 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:44:08 +0000
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802280255xd31f022udc41f61922ce9f66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3EBC2DD.38A73%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<f73a98160802280255xd31f022udc41f61922ce9f66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17A5AF35-7012-4427-84BE-B7CFE09211A5@anachreon.co.uk>

Are you blocking cookies in Safari?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 28 Feb 2008, at 10:55, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Scott Rossi  
> <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> FWIW, on my 10.4.11 system, both browsers land on http pages (neither
>> shows
>> as secure).  FF = 2.0.0.12, Safari = 3.0.4
>>
>> Thanks Scott.
>
> Mine is MacTel 10.4.11, FF = 2.0.0.8, Safari = 3.0.4
>
> Hmmm, the plot thickens.
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From camm29 at tesco.net  Thu Feb 28 07:45:53 2008
From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:45:53 +0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <58335DF8-B5A6-4BD1-96CF-ECA1A9D2C29B@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20080228124553.DVUXQ.950744.root@web09-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Thanks for that , hoping a solution is out there with the users !!

Somehow I doubt Runrev will show any interest looking at the
many bugs/enhancements that have been outstanding for many
years.

Regards


---- Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote: 
> I can't quite resist replying in the same way as last time...
> 
> I'm pretty sure enhancement requests don't get considered unless they  
> have more votes. Giving the URL to the enhancement request makes it  
> much easier for people to add their votes:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5169
> 
> Next, there are currently two votes. That means there are 265  
> enhancements with more votes.
> http://tinyurl.com/3b4ogd
> 
> Assigning your full five votes instead of the single vote you've  
> assigned would already bring that down to 128.
> http://tinyurl.com/2jyqpu
> 
> Ian
> 
> On 28 Feb 2008, at 11:48, <camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody have a working solution to get more
> > rs232 com ports 1 - 9 in rev ??????????????
> >
> > This is a major drawback on developments , its has been raised as a  
> > bug
> > a long time ago.
> >
> > Regards
> > Camm
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 08:04:50 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:04:50 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
Message-ID: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I am using Sockets to communicate between Applications. In this  
example, one Application is a "Server" and the other is a "Client".  
The Server issues a connected command and specifies a Callback  
handler as so:

   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
"ServerContactedByClient"

on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
   local myClientIPAddress
   local myResult

   put the result into myResult

   if myResult <> empty then
     breakpoint
     exit ServerContactedByClient
   end if

   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myClientIPAddress

   if myClientIPAddress is not among the lines of  
sgServerClientAllowList then
     close socket theIPAddress
   end if

   read from socket theIPAddress for 8 chars with message  
"ServerReceivedPacketSize"

end ServerContactedByClient

I am testing the error handling when a Client tries to connect but  
that server doesn't allow it to connect. The  
"ServerContactedByClient" gets called and the IP address is NOT is  
present in the "sgServerClientAllowList" (a Script Global), so the  
close socket is executed. However on the Client I have the following  
code:

   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"


on ClientSocketOpen theIPAddress
   local myConnectString
   local myConnectionID
   local myResult


   put the result into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     breakpoint
     exit ClientSocketOpen
   end if

   --
   --  Send the Connect Message, Start with the Count
   --
   put "Connect," & myConnectionID into myConnectString
   write myConnectString to socket theIPAddress with message  
"ClientSocketConnectionDataSent"
end ClientSocketOpen

The "ClientSocketOpen" handler is called but the  
"ClientSocketConnectionDataSent" handler is never called, as I would  
expect, since the Server closed the Socket, however, the socketError  
or sockTimeout handler are not called either?

My question is, how can the Client tell if the connection has been  
successful or not?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



















From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 08:22:23 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:22:23 +0100
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

We use TCP to communicate between a GUI and a process that manages  
internet captures and a SQL db.
Both apps act as a client AND a server.
Initialization sequence is:
1. The main app opens a socket as a client then opens the other app  
as a process.
2. When the process opens it opens another socket as a client and the  
same than the main app as a server.
3. The process sends a message to the main app to ask it to open the  
corresponding socket to act as a server.
If the main app does not receive the message it expects (with a  
timeout we fix) it means that something wrong happened.
Otherwise it sends a 'Done' message to the process.
4. The main app sends a 'ping' message to verify that double client/ 
server connection has been correctly established in both directions.
When all this has been done, you know that communication is OK :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 28 f?vr. 08 ? 14:04, Dave a ?crit :

> Hi All,
>
> I am using Sockets to communicate between Applications. In this  
> example, one Application is a "Server" and the other is a "Client".  
> The Server issues a connected command and specifies a Callback  
> handler as so:
>
>   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
> "ServerContactedByClient"
>
> on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
>   local myClientIPAddress
>   local myResult
>
>   put the result into myResult
>
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     breakpoint
>     exit ServerContactedByClient
>   end if
>
>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myClientIPAddress
>
>   if myClientIPAddress is not among the lines of  
> sgServerClientAllowList then
>     close socket theIPAddress
>   end if
>
>   read from socket theIPAddress for 8 chars with message  
> "ServerReceivedPacketSize"
>
> end ServerContactedByClient
>
> I am testing the error handling when a Client tries to connect but  
> that server doesn't allow it to connect. The  
> "ServerContactedByClient" gets called and the IP address is NOT is  
> present in the "sgServerClientAllowList" (a Script Global), so the  
> close socket is executed. However on the Client I have the  
> following code:
>
>   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
>
>
> on ClientSocketOpen theIPAddress
>   local myConnectString
>   local myConnectionID
>   local myResult
>
>
>   put the result into myResult
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     breakpoint
>     exit ClientSocketOpen
>   end if
>
>   --
>   --  Send the Connect Message, Start with the Count
>   --
>   put "Connect," & myConnectionID into myConnectString
>   write myConnectString to socket theIPAddress with message  
> "ClientSocketConnectionDataSent"
> end ClientSocketOpen
>
> The "ClientSocketOpen" handler is called but the  
> "ClientSocketConnectionDataSent" handler is never called, as I  
> would expect, since the Server closed the Socket, however, the  
> socketError or sockTimeout handler are not called either?
>
> My question is, how can the Client tell if the connection has been  
> successful or not?

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From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Thu Feb 28 08:23:53 2008
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:23:53 +0100
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <17A5AF35-7012-4427-84BE-B7CFE09211A5@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OFEB265C7B.39D99FF9-ONC12573FD.0047ADC5-C12573FD.00499972@deutsche-boerse.com>

Note that on windows, using Firefox (what else?), you are also in http...

I think the ajax (google style) behind is doing the encryption...
Im sure if you do a net capture, you'll see what happens behind the 
browser's curtain...

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 28/02/2008 13:44:08:

> Are you blocking cookies in Safari?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 28 Feb 2008, at 10:55, Kay C Lan wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Scott Rossi 
> > <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> FWIW, on my 10.4.11 system, both browsers land on http pages (neither
> >> shows
> >> as secure).  FF = 2.0.0.12, Safari = 3.0.4
> >>
> >> Thanks Scott.
> >
> > Mine is MacTel 10.4.11, FF = 2.0.0.8, Safari = 3.0.4
> >
> > Hmmm, the plot thickens.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 28 09:39:16 2008
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:39:16 -0800
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
Message-ID: <47C6C794.7070704@fourthworld.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Running a project used by students in the IDE seems like a bad idea to  
> me.

Seems like a great solution to me:  his team doesn't have to replicate 
all of Rev's tools, and Rev sells more licenses.  Win-win. :)


Terry, you can override nearly any message by trapping it in a 
frontScript handler inserted into the message path after Rev loads. 
Plugins generally work well for this as they're loaded after Rev's own 
frontScripts.

For some background on frontScripts and related stuff:


   Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path
   An introduction to using Libraries, FrontScripts, and BackScripts
   in Runtime Revolution's Transcript Programming Language

<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 09:54:28 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:54:28 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>
	<3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Thanks for this, unfortunately, I can't open the App as a Process  
since it may not be there at that time and also the Server and  
Clients could be on different machine of the LAN. This are also many  
clients of the Server, each of these may or may not also act as a  
Server.

All I want to do is to know if a Client successfully connected to a  
Server, surely this is what the openSocket command is for.

Surely the:

   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"

Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted the  
connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there was an  
error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?

All the Best
Dave


On 28 Feb 2008, at 13:22, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> We use TCP to communicate between a GUI and a process that manages  
> internet captures and a SQL db.
> Both apps act as a client AND a server.
> Initialization sequence is:
> 1. The main app opens a socket as a client then opens the other app  
> as a process.
> 2. When the process opens it opens another socket as a client and  
> the same than the main app as a server.
> 3. The process sends a message to the main app to ask it to open  
> the corresponding socket to act as a server.
> If the main app does not receive the message it expects (with a  
> timeout we fix) it means that something wrong happened.
> Otherwise it sends a 'Done' message to the process.
> 4. The main app sends a 'ping' message to verify that double client/ 
> server connection has been correctly established in both directions.
> When all this has been done, you know that communication is OK :-)
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
>
> Le 28 f?vr. 08 ? 14:04, Dave a ?crit :
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am using Sockets to communicate between Applications. In this  
>> example, one Application is a "Server" and the other is a  
>> "Client". The Server issues a connected command and specifies a  
>> Callback handler as so:
>>
>>   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
>> "ServerContactedByClient"
>>
>> on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
>>   local myClientIPAddress
>>   local myResult
>>
>>   put the result into myResult
>>
>>   if myResult <> empty then
>>     breakpoint
>>     exit ServerContactedByClient
>>   end if
>>
>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myClientIPAddress
>>
>>   if myClientIPAddress is not among the lines of  
>> sgServerClientAllowList then
>>     close socket theIPAddress
>>   end if
>>
>>   read from socket theIPAddress for 8 chars with message  
>> "ServerReceivedPacketSize"
>>
>> end ServerContactedByClient
>>
>> I am testing the error handling when a Client tries to connect but  
>> that server doesn't allow it to connect. The  
>> "ServerContactedByClient" gets called and the IP address is NOT is  
>> present in the "sgServerClientAllowList" (a Script Global), so the  
>> close socket is executed. However on the Client I have the  
>> following code:
>>
>>   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
>>
>>
>> on ClientSocketOpen theIPAddress
>>   local myConnectString
>>   local myConnectionID
>>   local myResult
>>
>>
>>   put the result into myResult
>>   if myResult <> empty then
>>     breakpoint
>>     exit ClientSocketOpen
>>   end if
>>
>>   --
>>   --  Send the Connect Message, Start with the Count
>>   --
>>   put "Connect," & myConnectionID into myConnectString
>>   write myConnectString to socket theIPAddress with message  
>> "ClientSocketConnectionDataSent"
>> end ClientSocketOpen
>>
>> The "ClientSocketOpen" handler is called but the  
>> "ClientSocketConnectionDataSent" handler is never called, as I  
>> would expect, since the Server closed the Socket, however, the  
>> socketError or sockTimeout handler are not called either?
>>
>> My question is, how can the Client tell if the connection has been  
>> successful or not?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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>
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Thu Feb 28 09:57:57 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:57:57 -0500
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
	<f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>

If you type the missing "s" after http in Mail it will take you to the https:// 
  page BUT it is not secure!!!! It is heavily reliant on Javascript  
and cookies to load your information.

Look at the source code for each view and you will see they are both  
the SAME code. http:// & https:// source is identical.
And they both point ONLY to the original http://  NOT to any https://  
at all.

 From the source code view do a search for https and you will find  
nothing but just http will show the actual targets from within this  
site.

HTH

Tom

On Feb 28, 2008, at 4:00 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA <
> lelandj at mail.smvfp.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never used qMail, so I'm making some assumption here.  Perhaps  
>> this
>> will help:
>>
>> When you connect to your WebMail Server using https://, everything is
>> encrypted including your user name and password.  When you connect to
>> your WebMail Server using http:// everything is sent to your WebMail
>> server in plain text.  The WebMail server is a middleman that brokers
>> between your computer and the SMTP mail Server.  You can see the  
>> link at
>> the bottom for more information:
>>
>
> Yes, which is exactly why I noticed and was concerned that the  
> address was
> plain http:
>
> The strange thing is that both FireFox and Safari start at the exact  
> same
> 'https:' login page, it's only after you've entered your details  
> that Safari
> (after toing and froing between https: and http:) ends up on http:  
> whilst
> FireFox ends up on https:
>
> I was just wondering if anyone on the list used Safari & Gmail and  
> whether
> the connection is http or https? Is it selectable somewhere?
>
> Thanks
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Thu Feb 28 10:06:12 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:06:12 -0500
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
	<f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6F1AF787-EEE8-42D2-8D40-A2BD0E2E2161@comcast.net>

HOWEVER, If you switch to HTML view and not Standard (Javascript) then  
repeat the same process you WILL notice that the two pages are  
different.

ie. Switch to HTML

view source
<base href="http://mail.google.com/mail/h/hjelqk30gklk/">
<a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/h/altta7uchfur/? 
logout&amp;hl=en">Sign out</a>

TYPE in the missing "s" after http so that it is now https://
load page
view source
<base href="https://mail.google.com/mail/h/13n08066yemid/">
<a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/h/altta7uchfur/? 
logout&amp;hl=en">Sign out</a>

I would stay in Standard View and let the JS handle the encryption OR  
just type in the missing "s" and use the secure HTML View.

Tom

On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> If you type the missing "s" after http in Mail it will take you to  
> the https:// page BUT it is not secure!!!! It is heavily reliant on  
> Javascript and cookies to load your information.
>
> Look at the source code for each view and you will see they are both  
> the SAME code. http:// & https:// source is identical.
> And they both point ONLY to the original http://  NOT to any  
> https:// at all.
>
> From the source code view do a search for https and you will find  
> nothing but just http will show the actual targets from within this  
> site.
>
> HTH
>
> Tom
>


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Thu Feb 28 10:08:31 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:08:31 -0500
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
	<f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0E5FA86B-4EF9-4E9E-99DE-FFE2834AB3FF@comcast.net>

Here we find ANOTHER link "http://mail.google.com/mail?nocheckbrowser"  
that is not apparently secure and does not check browser versions.


<quote>

Standard view is what you'll see when you sign in to Gmail from a  
fully supported browser.
In case you don't have access to a fully supported browser, we still  
want you to have access to Gmail -- that's why we've developed a basic  
HTML view of our service that's compatible with almost any browser. If  
you sign in to Gmail using a browser that isn't fully supported,  
you'll automatically be directed to the basic HTML view.

The basic HTML view is a little different from what you're used to  
because the following features aren't available:

	? Filter creation
	? Spell checker
	? Keyboard shortcuts
	? Address auto-complete
	? Custom From addresses
If you need to access these features, please sign in to Gmail from a  
fully supported browser, and make sure you have cookies and JavaScript  
enabled.

If you're directed to the basic HTML view of Gmail, but would like to  
try using the standard Gmail view, visit http://mail.google.com/mail?nocheckbrowser 
. Keep in mind that standard view may not work, even with this link,  
if your browser isn't supported.

</quote>





On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> If you type the missing "s" after http in Mail it will take you to  
> the https:// page BUT it is not secure!!!! It is heavily reliant on  
> Javascript and cookies to load your information.
>
> Look at the source code for each view and you will see they are both  
> the SAME code. http:// & https:// source is identical.
> And they both point ONLY to the original http://  NOT to any  
> https:// at all.
>
> From the source code view do a search for https and you will find  
> nothing but just http will show the actual targets from within this  
> site.
>
> HTH
>
> Tom
>


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 10:29:13 2008
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:29:13 -0500
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <0E5FA86B-4EF9-4E9E-99DE-FFE2834AB3FF@comcast.net>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
	<f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>
	<0E5FA86B-4EF9-4E9E-99DE-FFE2834AB3FF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0802280729i6ca35050s175a089c095ac649@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning.  The Ajax code in gmail causes a failover to https to
http.  You can see it if you read the javascript in the login.

A good way to ensure that you always use https is to 1) use Firefox
and 2) Download the CustomizeGoogle plugin.  In the preferences for
the plugin you can specify that the various google services always use
https instead of http, including gmail.  This will ensure that your
connection is always encrypted.

Unfortunately there is no such plugin for Safari.


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Thu Feb 28 10:34:22 2008
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:34:22 -0500
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>

Late to this discussion:

I just remembered that if the PDF is located on the internet that  
GOOGLE will translate the PDF to HTML. Google states that they  
automatically generate html versions of ALL documents as they crawl  
the web.

<quote>
This is the html version of the file http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP%20Bloggers%20Report%20July%2019%202006.pdf 
.
G o o g l e automatically generates html versions of documents as we  
crawl the web.

To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:FRJaOWTjwwgJ:www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP%2520Bloggers%2520Report%2520July%252019%25202006.pdf+pdf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=safari
</quote>

To script this in REV might  be hard only because there is no set rule  
to the address of the converted version from the original version.  
However this might be somewhat useful in dealing with the PDF  
revBrowser issue in that a version can be displayed in HTML for most  
online documents.


Tom


On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:43 AM, J. Landman Gay
>
> Do you have the PDF2RTF service installed? It's required. It's working
>> for me in Tiger.
>>
>
> Thanks so much Jacque for stepping in; sorry I left some in the  
> lurch but I
> had to turn up to my real job and then due to unforeseen  
> circumstances ended
> gone much longer than expected :-(
>
> Yes, in a previous post I gave the URL to Devon Technolgies:
>
> http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html
>
> to pick up PDF2RTFService which is good for 10.4.x and later.
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From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Thu Feb 28 11:10:47 2008
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:10:47 -0500
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>
	<3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <98F39466-F21C-46FD-92FF-5F60B25495AD@rpsystems.net>


On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:

> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted the  
> connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there was an  
> error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?

FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a  
conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does  
indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting as  
the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the client has  
disconnected.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 11:35:55 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:35:55 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <98F39466-F21C-46FD-92FF-5F60B25495AD@rpsystems.net>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>
	<3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
	<98F39466-F21C-46FD-92FF-5F60B25495AD@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <8ED835DF-D531-47C9-9A9C-D6F0B87CCE3B@looktowindward.com>


On 28 Feb 2008, at 16:10, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted  
>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there  
>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>
> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a  
> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does  
> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting  
> as the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the  
> client has disconnected.

Great. It seems like a lot of RunRev, just bearly working if you know  
*exactly* what to do and with no documentation and no support from  
RunRev themselves, the whole experience one of frustration and suck- 
it-and-see mentality.

All the Best
Dave





From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 11:52:23 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:52:23 +0000
Subject: More Socket Problems.........
Message-ID: <DED78EF1-F11F-451C-AAC3-F4486E11988C@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I the same app running on two machines. The two machines are called  
"thestateoftheart" which has a LAN IP Address of 192.168.1.101 and  
"looktowindward" which has an IP Address is 192.168.1.102.

Both machines can be servers and both can be clients of the other  
server. I have two buttons, one starts the server and one the client  
(see the two mouseUp handlers below, one on the "Start Server" Button  
and one on the "Start Client" button.

I hit the "StartServer" button on "thestateoftheart" and hit the  
"StartClient" button on "looktowindward".

This results in the following dump of the log file(s)

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----
SERVER LOG
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----

StartServer - Accept: 6000

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50088
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50088

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50089
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50089

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50090
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50090

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50091
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50091

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----
CLIENT LOG
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward

-----------------------------------

Sometimes I don't get the socketErrors and I just get the last group  
in the Client Log:

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward

-------------------------------

Questions:

Why do I sometimes not get a socketError or a socketTimeout ?

Why does it sometimes repeat (as it should) for a few times and then  
stop?

All the Best
Dave

Here is the code:

The mouseUp handler are in the main stack of the app and the


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  Server - mouseUp
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   local myClientAllowList
   local myHostName

   put the hostName into myHostName
   if myHostName = "thestateoftheart" then
     put "192.168.1.101" & cr into myClientAllowList

     put "192.168.1.111" & cr into myClientAllowList -- Cause an error

   else if myHostName = "looktowindward" then
     put "192.168.1.102" & cr into myClientAllowList
   else
     answer error "Unknown Host:" && myHostName with "OK"
     exit mouseUp
   end if


   get StartServer(6000,myClientAllowList)
end mouseUp


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  Client - mouseUp
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   local myServerList
   local myHostName

   put the hostName into myHostName

   if myHostName = "thestateoftheart" then
     put "192.168.1.101:6000" & cr into myServerList
   else if myHostName = "looktowindward" then
     put "192.168.1.102:6000" & cr into myServerList
   else
     answer error "Unknown Host:" && myHostName with "OK"
     exit mouseUp
   end if

   get StartClient(myServerList,myHostName)
end mouseUp


The following is including in the App using the "start using" command:


--  StartServer

function StartServer theServerPortNumber,theClientAllowList

   get DebugLogString("StartServer - Accept:" && theServerPortNumber)

   put theClientAllowList into sgServerClientAllowList
   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
"ServerContactedByClient"

   return empty
end StartServer


--  ServerContactedByClient

on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
   local myClientIPAddress
   local myResult

   put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("ServerContactedByClient:" && theIPAddress &&  
myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     breakpoint
     exit ServerContactedByClient
   end if

   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myClientIPAddress

   if myClientIPAddress is not among the lines of  
sgServerClientAllowList then
     get DebugLogString("ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client:" &&  
theIPAddress)
     close socket theIPAddress
   end if

   read from socket theIPAddress for kPacketCountSize chars with  
message "ServerReceivedPacketSize"

end ServerContactedByClient



--  ServerReceivedPacketSize

on ServerReceivedPacketSize theIPAddress,thePacketSize
   local myResult
   local myPacketData
   local myPacketID
   local myPacketCommand
   local myConnectionID

   put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize:" && theIPAddress &&  
thePacketSize && myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Error:" && myResult)
     breakpoint
   end if

   read from socket theIPAddress for thePacketSize chars
   put the result into myResult
   put it into myPacketData

   get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Packet Data:" &&  
myPacketData && myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Error:" && myResult)
     breakpoint
   end if

   --
   --  Get the Message Content
   --
   put item 1 of myPacketData into myPacketID
   put item 2 of myPacketData into myPacketCommand

   if myPacketID = "$SYS" then
     if myPacketCommand = "Connect" then
       put item 3 of myPacketData into myConnectionID

      end if

   end if

end ServerReceivedPacketSize


--  StartClient

function StartClient theServerList,theConnectionID

   set the socketTimeoutInterval to (2 * 1000)
   put theServerList into sgConnectToServerList
   repeat for each line myIPAddress in sgConnectToServerList
     send "StartOneClient myIPAddress,theConnectionID" to me in 0  
seconds
   end repeat

   return empty
end StartClient



--  StartOneClient

on StartOneClient theIPAddress,theConnectionID
   local myServerIPAddress
   local myServerPortNumber
   local mySocketAddress
   local myConnectString
   local myPacketSize
   local myResult

   put _DecodeIPAddress 
(theIPAddress,myServerIPAddress,myServerPortNumber) into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - IP Address Error:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit StartOneClient
   end if

    put myServerIPAddress & ":" & myServerPortNumber & "|" &  
theConnectionID into mySocketAddress

   get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - Connect:" && mySocketAddress  
&& myResult)

   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
   put the result into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - Write Socket Count Error:"  
&& mySocketAddress && myPacketSize && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit StartOneClient
   end if

end StartOneClient


--  ClientSocketOpen

on ClientSocketOpen theIPAddress
   local myConnectString
   local myConnectionID
   local myPacketSize
   local myResult

    put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket Error:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit ClientSocketOpen
   end if

   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 2 of theIPAddress into myConnectionID
   if myConnectionID = empty then
     get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Bad ConnectionID:" &&  
theIPAddress && myConnectionID)
     breakpoint
   end if

   put "$SYS,Connect," & myConnectionID into myConnectString
   put _StringPadLeft(length(myConnectString),kPacketCountSize,"0")  
into myPacketSize
   write myPacketSize & myConnectString to socket theIPAddress with  
message "ClientSocketConnectionDataSent"

   get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Data Written:" &&  
theIPAddress && myPacketSize & myConnectString)
end ClientSocketOpen

   on ClientSocketConnectionDataSent theIPAddress
   local myResult

   put the result into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Write  
Socket Count Error:" && theIPAddress && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit ClientSocketConnectionDataSent
   end if

   get DebugLogString("ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data  
Written:" && theIPAddress)

end ClientSocketConnectionDataSent

--  socketTimeout

on socketTimeout theIPAddress
   local myIPAddressAndPort
   local myConnectionID
   local myResult

   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myIPAddressAndPort
   put item 2 of theIPAddress into myConnectionID

   put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("socketTimeout - Timeout Error:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)

   if myConnectionID = empty then
     get DebugLogString("socketTimeout - Bad ConnectionID:" &&  
theIPAddress && myConnectionID)
     breakpoint
   end if

   send "StartOneClient myIPAddressAndPort,myConnectionID" to me in 0  
seconds

end socketTimeout


--  socketError

on socketError theIPAddress,theErrorMessage
   local myIPAddressAndPort
   local myConnectionID

   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myIPAddressAndPort
   put item 2 of theIPAddress into myConnectionID

   get DebugLogString("socketError:" && theIPAddress && theErrorMessage)

   if myConnectionID = empty then
     get DebugLogString("socketError - Bad ConnectionID:" &&  
theIPAddress && myConnectionID)
     breakpoint
   end if

   send "StartOneClient myIPAddressAndPort,myConnectionID" to me in 2  
seconds

end socketError








From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Thu Feb 28 11:53:56 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:53:56 +0100
Subject: about the message path
Message-ID: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>

Hi all,

As Richard point out his nice tutorial about
extending the Runtime Revolution Path,
the question which still bothers me is

how the plugin concept fit into the message hierarchy ?

Didn't find much on this topic ?

Any pointer ?

Regards,
Thierry



From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 12:01:26 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:01:26 +0000
Subject: More Socket Problems.........
Message-ID: <7DFAEF8C-83D8-4154-81B1-F59677D144BB@looktowindward.com>

Opps!

Just realized that the IP Addresses are wrong in the example, in the  
real app it's ok. I forgot that my router munges the the LAN IP  
Addresses, so where I've put 192.168.1.101, read 192.168.1.87 and  
where 192.168.1.102 read 192.168.1.105.

Another question is:

Why do I get a read error and not a write error:

socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

I'm not reading on the Client, I'm trying to try data.

All the Best
Dave

Hi,

I the same app running on two machines. The two machines are called  
"thestateoftheart" which has a LAN IP Address of 192.168.1.101 and  
"looktowindward" which has an IP Address is 192.168.1.102.

Both machines can be servers and both can be clients of the other  
server. I have two buttons, one starts the server and one the client  
(see the two mouseUp handlers below, one on the "Start Server" Button  
and one on the "Start Client" button.

I hit the "StartServer" button on "thestateoftheart" and hit the  
"StartClient" button on "looktowindward".

This results in the following dump of the log file(s)

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----
SERVER LOG
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----

StartServer - Accept: 6000

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50088
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50088

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50089
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50089

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50090
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50090

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50091
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50091

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----
CLIENT LOG
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
----

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward

-----------------------------------

Sometimes I don't get the socketErrors and I just get the last group  
in the Client Log:

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward

-------------------------------

Questions:

Why do I sometimes not get a socketError or a socketTimeout ?

Why does it sometimes repeat (as it should) for a few times and then  
stop?

All the Best
Dave

Here is the code:

The mouseUp handler are in the main stack of the app and the


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  Server - mouseUp
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   local myClientAllowList
   local myHostName

   put the hostName into myHostName
   if myHostName = "thestateoftheart" then
     put "192.168.1.101" & cr into myClientAllowList

     put "192.168.1.111" & cr into myClientAllowList -- Cause an error

   else if myHostName = "looktowindward" then
     put "192.168.1.102" & cr into myClientAllowList
   else
     answer error "Unknown Host:" && myHostName with "OK"
     exit mouseUp
   end if


   get StartServer(6000,myClientAllowList)
end mouseUp


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  Client - mouseUp
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   local myServerList
   local myHostName

   put the hostName into myHostName

   if myHostName = "thestateoftheart" then
     put "192.168.1.101:6000" & cr into myServerList
   else if myHostName = "looktowindward" then
     put "192.168.1.102:6000" & cr into myServerList
   else
     answer error "Unknown Host:" && myHostName with "OK"
     exit mouseUp
   end if

   get StartClient(myServerList,myHostName)
end mouseUp


The following is including in the App using the "start using" command:


--  StartServer

function StartServer theServerPortNumber,theClientAllowList

   get DebugLogString("StartServer - Accept:" && theServerPortNumber)

   put theClientAllowList into sgServerClientAllowList
   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message  
"ServerContactedByClient"

   return empty
end StartServer


--  ServerContactedByClient

on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
   local myClientIPAddress
   local myResult

   put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("ServerContactedByClient:" && theIPAddress &&  
myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     breakpoint
     exit ServerContactedByClient
   end if

   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myClientIPAddress

   if myClientIPAddress is not among the lines of  
sgServerClientAllowList then
     get DebugLogString("ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client:" &&  
theIPAddress)
     close socket theIPAddress
   end if

   read from socket theIPAddress for kPacketCountSize chars with  
message "ServerReceivedPacketSize"

end ServerContactedByClient



--  ServerReceivedPacketSize

on ServerReceivedPacketSize theIPAddress,thePacketSize
   local myResult
   local myPacketData
   local myPacketID
   local myPacketCommand
   local myConnectionID

   put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize:" && theIPAddress &&  
thePacketSize && myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Error:" && myResult)
     breakpoint
   end if

   read from socket theIPAddress for thePacketSize chars
   put the result into myResult
   put it into myPacketData

   get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Packet Data:" &&  
myPacketData && myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Error:" && myResult)
     breakpoint
   end if

   --
   --  Get the Message Content
   --
   put item 1 of myPacketData into myPacketID
   put item 2 of myPacketData into myPacketCommand

   if myPacketID = "$SYS" then
     if myPacketCommand = "Connect" then
       put item 3 of myPacketData into myConnectionID

      end if

   end if

end ServerReceivedPacketSize


--  StartClient

function StartClient theServerList,theConnectionID

   set the socketTimeoutInterval to (2 * 1000)
   put theServerList into sgConnectToServerList
   repeat for each line myIPAddress in sgConnectToServerList
     send "StartOneClient myIPAddress,theConnectionID" to me in 0  
seconds
   end repeat

   return empty
end StartClient



--  StartOneClient

on StartOneClient theIPAddress,theConnectionID
   local myServerIPAddress
   local myServerPortNumber
   local mySocketAddress
   local myConnectString
   local myPacketSize
   local myResult

   put _DecodeIPAddress 
(theIPAddress,myServerIPAddress,myServerPortNumber) into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - IP Address Error:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit StartOneClient
   end if

    put myServerIPAddress & ":" & myServerPortNumber & "|" &  
theConnectionID into mySocketAddress

   get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - Connect:" && mySocketAddress  
&& myResult)

   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
   put the result into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - Write Socket Count Error:"  
&& mySocketAddress && myPacketSize && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit StartOneClient
   end if

end StartOneClient


--  ClientSocketOpen

on ClientSocketOpen theIPAddress
   local myConnectString
   local myConnectionID
   local myPacketSize
   local myResult

    put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)

   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Open Socket Error:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit ClientSocketOpen
   end if

   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 2 of theIPAddress into myConnectionID
   if myConnectionID = empty then
     get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Bad ConnectionID:" &&  
theIPAddress && myConnectionID)
     breakpoint
   end if

   put "$SYS,Connect," & myConnectionID into myConnectString
   put _StringPadLeft(length(myConnectString),kPacketCountSize,"0")  
into myPacketSize
   write myPacketSize & myConnectString to socket theIPAddress with  
message "ClientSocketConnectionDataSent"

   get DebugLogString("ClientSocketOpen - Data Written:" &&  
theIPAddress && myPacketSize & myConnectString)
end ClientSocketOpen

   on ClientSocketConnectionDataSent theIPAddress
   local myResult

   put the result into myResult
   if myResult <> empty then
     get DebugLogString("ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Write  
Socket Count Error:" && theIPAddress && myResult)
     breakpoint
     exit ClientSocketConnectionDataSent
   end if

   get DebugLogString("ClientSocketConnectionDataSent - Data  
Written:" && theIPAddress)

end ClientSocketConnectionDataSent

--  socketTimeout

on socketTimeout theIPAddress
   local myIPAddressAndPort
   local myConnectionID
   local myResult

   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myIPAddressAndPort
   put item 2 of theIPAddress into myConnectionID

   put the result into myResult

   get DebugLogString("socketTimeout - Timeout Error:" &&  
theIPAddress && myResult)

   if myConnectionID = empty then
     get DebugLogString("socketTimeout - Bad ConnectionID:" &&  
theIPAddress && myConnectionID)
     breakpoint
   end if

   send "StartOneClient myIPAddressAndPort,myConnectionID" to me in 0  
seconds

end socketTimeout


--  socketError

on socketError theIPAddress,theErrorMessage
   local myIPAddressAndPort
   local myConnectionID

   set the itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myIPAddressAndPort
   put item 2 of theIPAddress into myConnectionID

   get DebugLogString("socketError:" && theIPAddress && theErrorMessage)

   if myConnectionID = empty then
     get DebugLogString("socketError - Bad ConnectionID:" &&  
theIPAddress && myConnectionID)
     breakpoint
   end if

   send "StartOneClient myIPAddressAndPort,myConnectionID" to me in 2  
seconds

end socketError






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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 28 12:50:50 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:50:50 -0800
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <8ED835DF-D531-47C9-9A9C-D6F0B87CCE3B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C3EC347A.4C753%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 2/28/08 8:35 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> 
> On 28 Feb 2008, at 16:10, Troy Rollins wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>> 
>>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted
>>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there
>>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>> 
>> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a
>> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does
>> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting
>> as the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the
>> client has disconnected.
> 
> Great. It seems like a lot of RunRev, just bearly working if you know
> *exactly* what to do and with no documentation and no support from
> RunRev themselves, the whole experience one of frustration and suck-
> it-and-see mentality.

Actually, sockets are controlled by the operating system, so there are wide
variations, even within XP.  Firewall hardware and software, routers, hubs,
ISP protocols, and other device performance.

To build a solid networking app you need to learn a lot about the world of
protocols and idiosyncrasies, regardless of the programming language.  I had
to deal with an IPSEC tunnel last summer, and fortunately I was able to rely
on a good programmer who already knew this area.

Rev has the tools and functions to build this, but you have to tune it to
your equipment and configurations.

tip:  If your are using UDP and MacOSX, and testing for max packet size your
equipment will allow, be sure to
go to system prefences:network:ethernet
change from automatic to manual
then set your max packet size to jumbo vs 1500 default

Otherwise, OSX will receive larger packets but not pass them to your Rev
app.  This will be a silent failure and undertectable without an ACKNOWLEDGE
loop that you would build.

By the way, I routinely build an ACK loop between my apps since networks are
good at providing surprises.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Feb 28 12:55:52 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:55:52 +0100
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <20080228170153.EC37E489B84@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080228170153.EC37E489B84@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FA474001-EA8C-4685-8283-710962DE76FF@derbrill.de>

Camm wrote:

> Somehow I doubt Runrev will show any interest looking at the
> many bugs/enhancements that have been outstanding for many
> years.


How come you think so? I think RR is doing a very good job with the  
work on 2.9. So far almost everything I considder a blocker has been  
fixed (including my pet bugs), so I am pretty happy with how it  
evolves. Given the time the current beta program has been running I can 
?t help but thinking that they take the Beta very seriously this time.  
If each release would have been tested that well, we would all be  
happy campers I guess. I am sooooo looking forward to a final of 2.9,  
and even though I am waiting impatiently I do think it is very well  
worth the wait for a really stable version. New features after that. I  
too would like to see quite some features introduced. tree views, real  
table fields, multichannel audioclips, openGl. All those features do  
have a different priority for the current userbase, so RR needs to  
prioriterize their decisions. I on the other hand can decide if it is  
important enough for me to hire an external writer meanwhile, and I  
really wish there was a list of people to ask in need of an external  
coder. *sigh*

All the best,

Malte

From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 13:13:35 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:13:35 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <C3EC347A.4C753%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C3EC347A.4C753%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDDEDA44-3529-430D-AD06-8AD5FF83B060@looktowindward.com>


On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:50, Jim Ault wrote:

>
> On 2/28/08 8:35 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 28 Feb 2008, at 16:10, Troy Rollins wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted
>>>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there
>>>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>>>
>>> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a
>>> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does
>>> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting
>>> as the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the
>>> client has disconnected.
>>
>> Great. It seems like a lot of RunRev, just bearly working if you know
>> *exactly* what to do and with no documentation and no support from
>> RunRev themselves, the whole experience one of frustration and suck-
>> it-and-see mentality.
>
> Actually, sockets are controlled by the operating system, so there  
> are wide
> variations, even within XP.  Firewall hardware and software,  
> routers, hubs,
> ISP protocols, and other device performance.

I am only using Mac OS X at the moment.

> To build a solid networking app you need to learn a lot about the  
> world of
> protocols and idiosyncrasies, regardless of the programming language.

Well, I trying to use RunRev, I can communicate using other languages  
ok. It's really the lack of any decent documentation or a robust  
sample app that shows what you need to tweak in order to make it work  
in the real world.

> Rev has the tools and functions to build this, but you have to tune  
> it to
> your equipment and configurations.

That's what I mean, there is no documentation that I can find that  
shows how to do this. I've found some sample code that was useful to  
get going, but it's not well documented and it isn't really "real-life".

> tip:  If your are using UDP and MacOSX, and testing for max packet  
> size your
> equipment will allow, be sure to
> go to system prefences:network:ethernet
> change from automatic to manual
> then set your max packet size to jumbo vs 1500 default
>
> Otherwise, OSX will receive larger packets but not pass them to  
> your Rev
> app.  This will be a silent failure and undertectable without an  
> ACKNOWLEDGE
> loop that you would build.

I am sending very small packets at the moment, maybe 30 characters  
max. If and when I get this bit working it will send larger packets,  
but the maximum will still be less that 2K.

> By the way, I routinely build an ACK loop between my apps since  
> networks are
> good at providing surprises.

Not much help here, I can't do an NAK because the server is not  
supposed to respond to a Client that isn't in the "Allowed" list.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From Camm29 at tesco.net  Thu Feb 28 13:15:40 2008
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:15:40 -0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
References: <20080228170153.EC37E489B84@mail.runrev.com>
	<FA474001-EA8C-4685-8283-710962DE76FF@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <000401c87a35$eea86d90$0d01a8c0@workshop>

Can anyone actually help ??????

Need Com ports 1 to 15 at least !

Best Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Malte Brill" <revolution at derbrill.de>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !


Camm wrote:

> Somehow I doubt Runrev will show any interest looking at the
> many bugs/enhancements that have been outstanding for many
> years.


How come you think so? I think RR is doing a very good job with the
work on 2.9. So far almost everything I considder a blocker has been
fixed (including my pet bugs), so I am pretty happy with how it
evolves. Given the time the current beta program has been running I can
?t help but thinking that they take the Beta very seriously this time.
If each release would have been tested that well, we would all be
happy campers I guess. I am sooooo looking forward to a final of 2.9,
and even though I am waiting impatiently I do think it is very well
worth the wait for a really stable version. New features after that. I
too would like to see quite some features introduced. tree views, real
table fields, multichannel audioclips, openGl. All those features do
have a different priority for the current userbase, so RR needs to
prioriterize their decisions. I on the other hand can decide if it is
important enough for me to hire an external writer meanwhile, and I
really wish there was a list of people to ask in need of an external
coder. *sigh*

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 28 13:20:40 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:20:40 -0800
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <CDDEDA44-3529-430D-AD06-8AD5FF83B060@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C3EC3B78.4C759%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Go to user spaces in Rev online
alexTweedly
sample stacks as 
Echo client
Echo server

These will run and show what an expert in the network field has done for
good sample stacks.

It is what I used to get started.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/28/08 10:13 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> 
> On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:50, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2/28/08 8:35 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2008, at 16:10, Troy Rollins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted
>>>>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there
>>>>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a
>>>> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does
>>>> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting
>>>> as the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the
>>>> client has disconnected.
>>> 
>>> Great. It seems like a lot of RunRev, just bearly working if you know
>>> *exactly* what to do and with no documentation and no support from
>>> RunRev themselves, the whole experience one of frustration and suck-
>>> it-and-see mentality.
>> 
>> Actually, sockets are controlled by the operating system, so there
>> are wide
>> variations, even within XP.  Firewall hardware and software,
>> routers, hubs,
>> ISP protocols, and other device performance.
> 
> I am only using Mac OS X at the moment.
> 
>> To build a solid networking app you need to learn a lot about the
>> world of
>> protocols and idiosyncrasies, regardless of the programming language.
> 
> Well, I trying to use RunRev, I can communicate using other languages
> ok. It's really the lack of any decent documentation or a robust
> sample app that shows what you need to tweak in order to make it work
> in the real world.
> 
>> Rev has the tools and functions to build this, but you have to tune
>> it to
>> your equipment and configurations.
> 
> That's what I mean, there is no documentation that I can find that
> shows how to do this. I've found some sample code that was useful to
> get going, but it's not well documented and it isn't really "real-life".
> 
>> tip:  If your are using UDP and MacOSX, and testing for max packet
>> size your
>> equipment will allow, be sure to
>> go to system prefences:network:ethernet
>> change from automatic to manual
>> then set your max packet size to jumbo vs 1500 default
>> 
>> Otherwise, OSX will receive larger packets but not pass them to
>> your Rev
>> app.  This will be a silent failure and undertectable without an
>> ACKNOWLEDGE
>> loop that you would build.
> 
> I am sending very small packets at the moment, maybe 30 characters
> max. If and when I get this bit working it will send larger packets,
> but the maximum will still be less that 2K.
> 
>> By the way, I routinely build an ACK loop between my apps since
>> networks are
>> good at providing surprises.
> 
> Not much help here, I can't do an NAK because the server is not
> supposed to respond to a Client that isn't in the "Allowed" list.
> 
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 28 13:24:51 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:24:51 -0800
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <20080228114746.8VAU9.512025.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20080228114746.8VAU9.512025.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <p06240811c3eca75dc4bb@[192.168.1.70]>

I wouldn't hold my breath for that many RS232 ports...

may I ask why you need so many INDIVIDUAL ports on the computer side?

The reason I ask is that there might be a way around this..
This sounds like a data collection task...

if it doesn't have to be simultanious... consider software controlled 
external switching in hardware;
port 1 has the data transfer as a standard port, port 2 controls the 
switching of port 1. Then one could put any number of devices on the 
line.....

I did this with a bunch of printers for A&M tape copy in 1990. We 
needed multipe tape box jcards made from pin feed paper... so I got a 
bunch of serial to parallel buffer boxes, one per printer, and 
devised a switching box that actually fed 6 the printer buffers off 
of the single serial port on a Mac SE. as well as the machine control 
of 135 cassette decks.  This allowed us to do nice 'letter' quality 
printing at "high speed" with cheap office printers. (We went through 
about 30) while using the Mac SE for control of everything.

I used simple TTL and a serial controller chip from Cybernetic Micro Systems.
http://www.controlchips.com/cy233.htm

Cybernetic makes many incredible devices and proto boards to hook up 
computers to the physical world.


>Does anybody have a working solution to get more
>rs232 com ports 1 - 9 in rev ??????????????
>
>This is a major drawback on developments , its has been raised as a bug
>a long time ago.
>
>Regards
>Camm

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Feb 28 13:28:11 2008
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:28:11 +0000
Subject: printing problems
Message-ID: <200802281828.11326.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Still having printing problems.  Still 2.6.1 Linux

revPrintField works, but puts large fonts very spread out on too many pages, 
and in landscape for some reason.

This at least has a workaround - put it into a text file, reformat it in awk 
and pipe it through to kprinter using shell().  Yes I know....

print card doesn't work at all.  This one I have no workaround for.  The card 
in question has 35 or 40 fields on it, the result of several pages of script 
to produce a report.   Is there any way of copying a card and all the 
elements on it, and then pasting it into something that will print, without 
use intervention?

How you wish in these cases to have followed intuition in the first place, and 
written the thing in awk when (a) it won't take all those pages of script and 
(b) you can just pipe the output to kprinter!    But we are where we are.

Notes.
  
2.6.1 answer printer does nothing.  

lpstat -a returns the name of the printer and says its accepting requests 
since last boot time.

2.9 beta put the availablePrinters returns the same printer as lpstat -a.  But 
you cannot actually use it.  I haven't tried using revPrintField in 2.9.


Peter


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Feb 28 13:36:14 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:36:14 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <C3EC3B78.4C759%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C3EC3B78.4C759%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CB4B873-8E52-4F04-A144-721678FB1E52@looktowindward.com>

Hi Jim,

I will take a look, but these use UDP, I am not using UDP, I need to  
use straight TCP/IP.

All the Best
Dave


On 28 Feb 2008, at 18:20, Jim Ault wrote:

> Go to user spaces in Rev online
> alexTweedly
> sample stacks as
> Echo client
> Echo server
>
> These will run and show what an expert in the network field has  
> done for
> good sample stacks.
>
> It is what I used to get started.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 2/28/08 10:13 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:50, Jim Ault wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/08 8:35 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Feb 2008, at 16:10, Troy Rollins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted
>>>>>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there
>>>>>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a
>>>>> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does
>>>>> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting
>>>>> as the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the
>>>>> client has disconnected.
>>>>
>>>> Great. It seems like a lot of RunRev, just bearly working if you  
>>>> know
>>>> *exactly* what to do and with no documentation and no support from
>>>> RunRev themselves, the whole experience one of frustration and  
>>>> suck-
>>>> it-and-see mentality.
>>>
>>> Actually, sockets are controlled by the operating system, so there
>>> are wide
>>> variations, even within XP.  Firewall hardware and software,
>>> routers, hubs,
>>> ISP protocols, and other device performance.
>>
>> I am only using Mac OS X at the moment.
>>
>>> To build a solid networking app you need to learn a lot about the
>>> world of
>>> protocols and idiosyncrasies, regardless of the programming  
>>> language.
>>
>> Well, I trying to use RunRev, I can communicate using other languages
>> ok. It's really the lack of any decent documentation or a robust
>> sample app that shows what you need to tweak in order to make it work
>> in the real world.
>>
>>> Rev has the tools and functions to build this, but you have to tune
>>> it to
>>> your equipment and configurations.
>>
>> That's what I mean, there is no documentation that I can find that
>> shows how to do this. I've found some sample code that was useful to
>> get going, but it's not well documented and it isn't really "real- 
>> life".
>>
>>> tip:  If your are using UDP and MacOSX, and testing for max packet
>>> size your
>>> equipment will allow, be sure to
>>> go to system prefences:network:ethernet
>>> change from automatic to manual
>>> then set your max packet size to jumbo vs 1500 default
>>>
>>> Otherwise, OSX will receive larger packets but not pass them to
>>> your Rev
>>> app.  This will be a silent failure and undertectable without an
>>> ACKNOWLEDGE
>>> loop that you would build.
>>
>> I am sending very small packets at the moment, maybe 30 characters
>> max. If and when I get this bit working it will send larger packets,
>> but the maximum will still be less that 2K.
>>
>>> By the way, I routinely build an ACK loop between my apps since
>>> networks are
>>> good at providing surprises.
>>
>> Not much help here, I can't do an NAK because the server is not
>> supposed to respond to a Client that isn't in the "Allowed" list.
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 28 13:41:47 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:41:47 -0800
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <9CB4B873-8E52-4F04-A144-721678FB1E52@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C3EC406B.4C760%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

He used to have both protocols up there.
The key difference is
datagram, I think

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 2/28/08 10:36 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> I will take a look, but these use UDP, I am not using UDP, I need to
> use straight TCP/IP.
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> 
> On 28 Feb 2008, at 18:20, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Go to user spaces in Rev online
>> alexTweedly
>> sample stacks as
>> Echo client
>> Echo server
>> 
>> These will run and show what an expert in the network field has
>> done for
>> good sample stacks.
>> 
>> It is what I used to get started.
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/28/08 10:13 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:50, Jim Ault wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/28/08 8:35 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2008, at 16:10, Troy Rollins wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted
>>>>>>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there
>>>>>>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a
>>>>>> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does
>>>>>> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting
>>>>>> as the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the
>>>>>> client has disconnected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great. It seems like a lot of RunRev, just bearly working if you
>>>>> know
>>>>> *exactly* what to do and with no documentation and no support from
>>>>> RunRev themselves, the whole experience one of frustration and
>>>>> suck-
>>>>> it-and-see mentality.
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, sockets are controlled by the operating system, so there
>>>> are wide
>>>> variations, even within XP.  Firewall hardware and software,
>>>> routers, hubs,
>>>> ISP protocols, and other device performance.
>>> 
>>> I am only using Mac OS X at the moment.
>>> 
>>>> To build a solid networking app you need to learn a lot about the
>>>> world of
>>>> protocols and idiosyncrasies, regardless of the programming
>>>> language.
>>> 
>>> Well, I trying to use RunRev, I can communicate using other languages
>>> ok. It's really the lack of any decent documentation or a robust
>>> sample app that shows what you need to tweak in order to make it work
>>> in the real world.
>>> 
>>>> Rev has the tools and functions to build this, but you have to tune
>>>> it to
>>>> your equipment and configurations.
>>> 
>>> That's what I mean, there is no documentation that I can find that
>>> shows how to do this. I've found some sample code that was useful to
>>> get going, but it's not well documented and it isn't really "real-
>>> life".
>>> 
>>>> tip:  If your are using UDP and MacOSX, and testing for max packet
>>>> size your
>>>> equipment will allow, be sure to
>>>> go to system prefences:network:ethernet
>>>> change from automatic to manual
>>>> then set your max packet size to jumbo vs 1500 default
>>>> 
>>>> Otherwise, OSX will receive larger packets but not pass them to
>>>> your Rev
>>>> app.  This will be a silent failure and undertectable without an
>>>> ACKNOWLEDGE
>>>> loop that you would build.
>>> 
>>> I am sending very small packets at the moment, maybe 30 characters
>>> max. If and when I get this bit working it will send larger packets,
>>> but the maximum will still be less that 2K.
>>> 
>>>> By the way, I routinely build an ACK loop between my apps since
>>>> networks are
>>>> good at providing surprises.
>>> 
>>> Not much help here, I can't do an NAK because the server is not
>>> supposed to respond to a Client that isn't in the "Allowed" list.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Thu Feb 28 15:46:50 2008
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:46:50 -0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
References: <20080228114746.8VAU9.512025.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
	<p06240811c3eca75dc4bb@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <000401c87a4b$0e4f40f0$0d01a8c0@workshop>

Now days people have so many allocated ports in use !

Virtual Com Ports for usb and bluetooth etc , etc

I have 100's of requests for users to be able to select Com port 10 and
above.

So its not that we need to use 10's of RS232 Physical ports but need to
allocate
more than revs out dated 1 to 9.

It's seem strange that Rev's RS232 Core can handle 1-9 only , I'm sure it
would not be a
vast code change to increase ?

Best Regards




----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !


> I wouldn't hold my breath for that many RS232 ports...
>
> may I ask why you need so many INDIVIDUAL ports on the computer side?
>
> The reason I ask is that there might be a way around this..
> This sounds like a data collection task...
>
> if it doesn't have to be simultanious... consider software controlled
> external switching in hardware;
> port 1 has the data transfer as a standard port, port 2 controls the
> switching of port 1. Then one could put any number of devices on the
> line.....
>
> I did this with a bunch of printers for A&M tape copy in 1990. We
> needed multipe tape box jcards made from pin feed paper... so I got a
> bunch of serial to parallel buffer boxes, one per printer, and
> devised a switching box that actually fed 6 the printer buffers off
> of the single serial port on a Mac SE. as well as the machine control
> of 135 cassette decks.  This allowed us to do nice 'letter' quality
> printing at "high speed" with cheap office printers. (We went through
> about 30) while using the Mac SE for control of everything.
>
> I used simple TTL and a serial controller chip from Cybernetic Micro
Systems.
> http://www.controlchips.com/cy233.htm
>
> Cybernetic makes many incredible devices and proto boards to hook up
> computers to the physical world.
>
>
> >Does anybody have a working solution to get more
> >rs232 com ports 1 - 9 in rev ??????????????
> >
> >This is a major drawback on developments , its has been raised as a bug
> >a long time ago.
> >
> >Regards
> >Camm
>
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>
>
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 28 16:07:35 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:07:35 +1100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <47C6C794.7070704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C3ED6DC7.4A36%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>


On 29/2/08 1:39 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Terry, you can override nearly any message by trapping it in a
> frontScript handler inserted into the message path after Rev loads.
> Plugins generally work well for this as they're loaded after Rev's own
> frontScripts.

Hi Richard - I actually tried inserting a frontScript with a pasteKey
handler included but it never fired. Given that there doesn't appear to be
any Rev frontscript for pasteKey I assumed that this and related message are
somehow handled differently in the IDE - but I'm only guessing.
> 
> For some background on frontScripts and related stuff:
> 
> 
>    Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path
>    An introduction to using Libraries, FrontScripts, and BackScripts
>    in Runtime Revolution's Transcript Programming Language
> 
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>
> 

-- 
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Feb 28 16:40:00 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:40:00 +0000
Subject: Open Socket Question
In-Reply-To: <EE4C8849-C992-4F3A-917D-90996B7D3AF1@looktowindward.com>
References: <58C19CEB-259E-4959-9D4F-B496018448F6@looktowindward.com>	<47BDEEF8.5030300@pdslabs.net>	<0EE8B98D-FFD8-4505-AF7F-4A62CF611064@looktowindward.com>	<47C59296.407@tweedly.net>
	<EE4C8849-C992-4F3A-917D-90996B7D3AF1@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47C72A30.9050500@tweedly.net>

Sorry I'm late replying - time zone differences can be a real nuisance 
:-)   It looks from later email that you've already figured out these 
answers - but I'll answer them for the sake of completeness for anyone 
reading the threads later.

Dave wrote:
>
>
> The Server can "Accept" connections from a number of Clients, surely 
> if I close the port, then no other clients will be able to connect. Or 
> do you mean I should (on the Server) close the connection that is 
> presented to the "ServerContactedByClient" handler? e.g. the 
> IP/Port?ConnectionID of the Client?
>
Indeed - in your code you would do something like
   set the itemDel to ":"
   if item 1 of theIPAddress is not among the lines of 
gAllowedClientList then
        close socket theIPAddress
        exit ServerContactedByClient
    end if

>> Also, I'm curious.This is probably just because you've snipped code 
>> to send it here, but just in case it isn't ....
>>
>> you look at "the result" immediately - what do you expect it to 
>> contain at that point ?
>
> I think this was a snipping problem as you say, before I wasn't using 
> a Callback Handler and so I needed to check the result after the 
> command returned.  However, do need to check "the result" after the 
> Accept command?:
>
>   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message 
> "ServerContactedByClient"
>
No, there should be no need to do that.  Though if there is a 
possibility of multiple applications trying to accept on the same port, 
that may be different.

See later reply to other emails ...
-- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Feb 28 16:44:18 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:44:18 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <98F39466-F21C-46FD-92FF-5F60B25495AD@rpsystems.net>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>	<3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>	<194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
	<98F39466-F21C-46FD-92FF-5F60B25495AD@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <47C72B32.6000107@tweedly.net>

Troy Rollins wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted the 
>> connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there was an 
>> error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
>
> FWIW, I'm finding the whole "state of sockets" to be a bit of a 
> conundrum as well. In my case, the client is not Rev, and it does 
> indicate once a socket connection is made. However, Rev is acting as 
> the server, and it seems hit or miss on determining if the client has 
> disconnected.
I have not found any problems like that. I have a fair amount of socket 
code in (personal) use, with either or both the client and the server 
being in either Rev or python, so I have a mix of languages, and a mix 
of PC and Macs.

I know it's particularly hard to identify a problem case when it is 
intermittent (i.e. when it seems "hit or miss"), but if you have any 
specific case (or if it would be possible for me to look at or run the 
code, I'd be happy to try to help.


   1. -- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Feb 28 16:49:50 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:49:50 -0800
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <000401c87a4b$0e4f40f0$0d01a8c0@workshop>
References: <20080228114746.8VAU9.512025.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>	<p06240811c3eca75dc4bb@[192.168.1.70]>
	<000401c87a4b$0e4f40f0$0d01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <47C72C7E.3000701@pdslabs.net>

Camm29 wrote:
> Now days people have so many allocated ports in use !
>
> Virtual Com Ports for usb and bluetooth etc , etc
>
> I have 100's of requests for users to be able to select Com port 10 and
> above.
>
> So its not that we need to use 10's of RS232 Physical ports but need to
> allocate
> more than revs out dated 1 to 9.

Is there a way to do it with shell() ? If you can do it from a command 
line, you can probably do it with Rev's shell() function. When I need to 
go beyond Rev's native capabilities, that's often what I use.

WARNING: I don't know much about COM port management.
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Feb 28 17:00:36 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:00:36 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>	<3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47C72F04.5060201@tweedly.net>

Dave wrote:
>
> All I want to do is to know if a Client successfully connected to a 
> Server, surely this is what the openSocket command is for.
>
Not quite. The 'open socket' command does try to create the connection, 
but it will not (immediately) tell you whether or not it is successful 
in this attempt. From the Rev docs,
" The handler continues executing while the connection is being 
established. If you use the write to socket command while the connection 
is opening, the data is buffered and is sent to the host as soon as the 
connection is made."

i.e. you will not get an indication of success or failure immediately.
> Surely the:
>
>   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
>
> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted the 
> connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there was an 
> error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
Be wary of that simple word "call". the "open socket" statement will not 
"call" ClientSocketOpen even in the successful case - instead it will 
result in a message being sent SOME TIME LATER to that handler. And in 
the failure  case, it will  cause a message to either socketError or 
socketTimeOut  again, SOME TIME LATER.

Using the code we've discussed on the server, what you will get on the 
client is a socketClosed message. The server will accept the connection, 
which should result in a successful "ClientSocketOpen' and then very 
quickly close it causing a subsequent 'socketClosed' message.



From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Feb 28 17:04:51 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:04:51 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>

And to further continue the discussion I would like to
point out I am unable to use the PDFServices on my
computer for some strange reason.

I contacted DEVONtechnologies Support and below
was the help I received.  Anyone know how to make
it work and what I might be doing wrong if anything
at all.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-



Hi, John:

Works for me. I'm running a ModBook (Intel) under Leopard 10.5.2.  
TextEdit can open a PDF file that contains text and display the text  
content.

After installing Services you likely need to logout/login or restart  
to initialize them.

Note that if you have installed Unsanity's Application Enhancer, and  
especially their ShapeShifter hack, you may experience all kinds of  
problems, especially with PDFs.

Regards,
Bill DeVille
DEVONtechnologies Support
support at devon-technologies.com



On Feb 28, 2008, at 1:34 AM, -= JB =- wrote:


> I downloaded your PDFServices library and was not
> able to get it to work properly.
>
> I did not have a folder named "Services" in my library
> folder so I created one put the PDF Serivices file in it.
>
> Then I shut down my computer and restarted it.  Using
> TextEdit I tried to open your PDF documentation file &
> I couldn't open it.
>
> I am using a PowerMac G4 AGP and OS X 10.4.11.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> thanks,
> John Balgenorth
>

On Feb 28, 2008, at 7:34 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Late to this discussion:
>
> I just remembered that if the PDF is located on the internet that  
> GOOGLE will translate the PDF to HTML. Google states that they  
> automatically generate html versions of ALL documents as they crawl  
> the web.
>
> <quote>
> This is the html version of the file http://www.pewinternet.org/ 
> pdfs/PIP%20Bloggers%20Report%20July%2019%202006.pdf.
> G o o g l e automatically generates html versions of documents as  
> we crawl the web.
>
> To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url: http:// 
> www.google.com/search?q=cache:FRJaOWTjwwgJ:www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/ 
> PIP%2520Bloggers%2520Report%2520July%252019%25202006.pdf 
> +pdf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=safari
> </quote>
>
> To script this in REV might  be hard only because there is no set  
> rule to the address of the converted version from the original  
> version. However this might be somewhat useful in dealing with the  
> PDF revBrowser issue in that a version can be displayed in HTML for  
> most online documents.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:43 AM, J. Landman Gay
>>
>> Do you have the PDF2RTF service installed? It's required. It's  
>> working
>>> for me in Tiger.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks so much Jacque for stepping in; sorry I left some in the  
>> lurch but I
>> had to turn up to my real job and then due to unforeseen  
>> circumstances ended
>> gone much longer than expected :-(
>>
>> Yes, in a previous post I gave the URL to Devon Technolgies:
>>
>> http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html
>>
>> to pick up PDF2RTFService which is good for 10.4.x and later.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 17:11:54 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:11:54 +0100
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <9CB4B873-8E52-4F04-A144-721678FB1E52@looktowindward.com>
References: <C3EC3B78.4C759%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<9CB4B873-8E52-4F04-A144-721678FB1E52@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <16BBBE65-7715-446B-A428-469B15B776B6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Dave,

Alex is too humble to tell he has downloaded TCP apps number one and  
two on RevOnline...

Le 28 f?vr. 08 ? 19:36, Dave a ?crit :

> Hi Jim,
>
> I will take a look, but these use UDP, I am not using UDP, I need  
> to use straight TCP/IP.
>
> All the Best
> Dave

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 17:34:28 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:34:28 +0100
Subject: about the message path
In-Reply-To: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>
References: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>
Message-ID: <B2AFCEF0-2E99-4616-B024-761C8B9423F0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Thierry,

Le 28 f?vr. 08 ? 17:53, Thierry a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> As Richard point out his nice tutorial about
> extending the Runtime Revolution Path,
> the question which still bothers me is
>
> how the plugin concept fit into the message hierarchy ?
>
> Didn't find much on this topic ?
>
> Any pointer ?
>
> Regards,
> Thierry

Actually a plugin is a stack like any another one but...
If you look at 'Plugin Settings' in 'Development' menu, you'll see  
that a plugin is able to receive a lot of specific messages like  
revMouseMove or revSelectionChanged: this means that these system  
messages (mouseMove or selectionChanged) will be sent to the default  
stack but to your plugin too(using the rev prefix)  to let you act  
accordingly.
These messages are sent to the plugin stack when specified (actually  
there are some custom properties set by the IDE in the plugin stack  
that allow this: I am not going to be more precise unless you need  
it :-)
Another thing is that you can name your plugin with a name beginning  
by 'rev': revMyPlugin.
In such a case, the plugin will act as rev IDE windows (for instance  
it will be hidden when you open a script editor) but debugging such  
named stacks is more difficult: you'll have to set gRevDevelopment  
global variable to true to achieve the goal.
But to be frank, it's never as simple as it appears...

Nevertheless, hope this helps.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Feb 28 17:48:55 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:48:55 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <C3EC406B.4C760%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C3EC406B.4C760%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47C73A57.8000908@tweedly.net>

Jim Ault wrote:
> He used to have both protocols up there.
> The key difference is
> datagram, I think
>
>   
Jim - thanks for the kind words :-)

I do have both still up there - but the TCP sample goes by the snappy 
names of
   TCP App 1     (which is the 'server' style app - but see below)
   TCP App 2     (the client)

TCP App1 is simplified from a normal server, because it will only accept 
a single connection, but that has little impact on the way the rest of 
it works.

But Dave is right that these are basically 'sample' apps rather than 
full blown real-world apps. However, I think they have enough in there 
to be robust and useful as a starting place.

In general, the Rev docs on networking are skimpy - especially for UDP - 
but it all seems to work reliably and to have most things that would be 
needed by 90% of us. Some of the corner cases (e.g. data being 
arbitrarily buffered into, or split between, packets  causing problems 
with blocking reads, or neo-jumbo packets being silently swallowed) are 
never going to be described by the language documentation.


-- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From dpierce at xpertassist.com  Thu Feb 28 18:08:21 2008
From: dpierce at xpertassist.com (dcpbarrington)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:08:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
Message-ID: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>


This has to be very simple, but I cannot find anything in the DOCs or an
example.

I have a database that I want to allow the user to querry a record by the
persons last name.  So I have a simple entry box with a button to querry the
database.

Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same case as
has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the user enters
"smith" in the select box, the record is not found.

I want to do the database select with different text formats to make sure
that the record is found.
SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"

I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?

Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.
-- 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb 28 18:28:00 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:28:00 -0800
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <C3ED6DC7.4A36%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C3EC8380.38AC7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Terry Judd wrote:

>> Terry, you can override nearly any message by trapping it in a
>> frontScript handler inserted into the message path after Rev loads.
>> Plugins generally work well for this as they're loaded after Rev's own
>> frontScripts.
> 
> Hi Richard - I actually tried inserting a frontScript with a pasteKey
> handler included but it never fired. Given that there doesn't appear to be
> any Rev frontscript for pasteKey I assumed that this and related message are
> somehow handled differently in the IDE - but I'm only guessing.

Hi Terry:

I was all prepared to dismiss Richard's suggestion because I SWEAR I've
tried to do what he said before, but when loading the following as a
frontScript, I get the behavior I want (and I think you do to):

on commandKeyDown K
  if K = "v" then put "A paste occurred"
  wait 20 with messages
  put ""
  pass commandKeyDown
end commandKeyDown

Using Rev 2.8.1 Win/Mac the above seems to work as expected.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Feb 28 18:34:00 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:34:00 -0600
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47C744E8.7090307@crcom.net>

Is there a reason why you have to capitalize the first letter?  I have a 
similar feature in my software and I use something like:

SELECT * FROM people WHERE last_name ILIKE "smith"
That does a case insensitive search.

You could also use:

SELECT * FROM people WHERE tolower(last_name) = tolower('smith')

or you could try:

SELECT * FROM people WHERE last_name in ('Smith','SMITH','smith')


This assumes that you are using "standard" SQL (which your example is 
not).  Just a little "added" feature of my first example is you could use:

...WHERE last_name ILIKE 'smith%'  and get anyone who's name BEGINS with 
'smith' (for example Smithe, Smithy...)

Hope that helps.

len morgan

> Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same case as
> has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the user enters
> "smith" in the select box, the record is not found.
>
> I want to do the database select with different text formats to make sure
> that the record is found.
> SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"
>
> I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
> function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.
>   


From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Thu Feb 28 18:35:42 2008
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:35:42 +0000
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c935444f0802281535n653fb767y961d7021688c6e39@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Try this in the message box

put "abc" into ttxt
put toUpper(char 1 of ttxt) into char 1 of ttxt
put ttxt

will return Abc

Regards

Ian McKnight

On 28/02/2008, dcpbarrington <dpierce at xpertassist.com> wrote:
>
>  This has to be very simple, but I cannot find anything in the DOCs or an
>  example.
>
>  I have a database that I want to allow the user to querry a record by the
>  persons last name.  So I have a simple entry box with a button to querry the
>  database.
>
>  Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same case as
>  has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the user enters
>  "smith" in the select box, the record is not found.
>
>  I want to do the database select with different text formats to make sure
>  that the record is found.
>  SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"
>
>  I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
>  function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?
>
>  Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.
>  --
>  View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Change-Case-of-first-character-of-text-string-tp15748287p15748287.html
>  Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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-- 
Regards

Ian

=======================
Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at googlemail.com
=======================


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 28 18:36:44 2008
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:36:44 +1100
Subject: Trapping pasteKey message in the Rev IDE
In-Reply-To: <C3EC8380.38AC7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C3ED90BC.4A4A%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 29/2/08 10:28 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Terry Judd wrote:
> 
>>> Terry, you can override nearly any message by trapping it in a
>>> frontScript handler inserted into the message path after Rev loads.
>>> Plugins generally work well for this as they're loaded after Rev's own
>>> frontScripts.
>> 
>> Hi Richard - I actually tried inserting a frontScript with a pasteKey
>> handler included but it never fired. Given that there doesn't appear to be
>> any Rev frontscript for pasteKey I assumed that this and related message are
>> somehow handled differently in the IDE - but I'm only guessing.
> 
> Hi Terry:
> 
> I was all prepared to dismiss Richard's suggestion because I SWEAR I've
> tried to do what he said before, but when loading the following as a
> frontScript, I get the behavior I want (and I think you do to):
> 
> on commandKeyDown K
>   if K = "v" then put "A paste occurred"
>   wait 20 with messages
>   put ""
>   pass commandKeyDown
> end commandKeyDown
> 
> Using Rev 2.8.1 Win/Mac the above seems to work as expected.

Hi Scott - following Mark's suggestion I too tried a simple commandKeyDown
handler - which, as you say, works no problems. I had incorrectly assumed
that if the pasteKey message wasn't available in the IDE then trapping
commandKeyDown and testing for the 'v' key wouldn't work either.

Terry...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 
> 
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-- 
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Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 19:20:52 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:20:52 +0800
Subject: [OT] gmail behaviour
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0802280729i6ca35050s175a089c095ac649@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160802271656h3564077bjaf5eb6f72c04f2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C61967.3030302@mail.smvfp.com>
	<f73a98160802280100hbe94f24p4dc08d14cd642fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB3B78EF-FE6F-4D7B-82D1-277CDAC26950@comcast.net>
	<0E5FA86B-4EF9-4E9E-99DE-FFE2834AB3FF@comcast.net>
	<9b408d8e0802280729i6ca35050s175a089c095ac649@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802281620l1646e197l77b903e03bdb5286@mail.gmail.com>

Ahhh, I love this list.

I go to sleep and wake up and all the answers are waiting for me:-)

Tom, thanks so much for the investigatory work. Well done.

Mikey, thanks for the pointer to the CustomizeGoogle plugin.

Now, back to Rev:-)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 28 19:47:50 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:47:50 -0600
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>

-= JB =- wrote:
> And to further continue the discussion I would like to
> point out I am unable to use the PDFServices on my
> computer for some strange reason.

Try some different PDF files. I notice that some just open as binary and 
others do get translated. I haven't figured out why some fail. Most of 
those that I created with OS X's print file dialog (print to PDF) seem 
to work. Some others which I got from other sources don't do as well.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 28 19:58:15 2008
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:58:15 -0800
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C3EC98A7.4C799%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>



On 2/28/08 3:08 PM, "dcpbarrington" <dpierce at xpertassist.com> wrote:

> 
> This has to be very simple, but I cannot find anything in the DOCs or an
> example.
> 
> I have a database that I want to allow the user to querry a record by the
> persons last name.  So I have a simple entry box with a button to querry the
> database.
> 
> Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same case as
> has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the user enters
> "smith" in the select box, the record is not found.
> 
> I want to do the database select with different text formats to make sure
> that the record is found.
> SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"
> 
> I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
> function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?
> 
> Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.

put toUpper(char 1 of userStr) && toLower(char 2 to -1 of userStr) into
goodStr


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 20:15:23 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:15:23 +1000
Subject: Coverflow in Rev
In-Reply-To: <F3083732-B060-43D0-B179-56D58C619765@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<F3083732-B060-43D0-B179-56D58C619765@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802281715o1bee0730gcc29d14180df75e6@mail.gmail.com>

>  On Apple's website, I have found some applets that contain scripts
>  showing any set of files in a QuickLook or QuickView window, but I
>  haven't found a way to use CoverFlow. I'd be very interested in a way
>  to get this done within Revolution.

I think if there was a QuickLook plugin that could show the layout of
a file's mainStack window, then that would be what was used for
CoverFlow as well. However I have no idea how one would go about
writing such a plugin and I think RunRev would have to do that as they
are the ones that know the file structure. It might be easier to have
one that shows a portion of the script, since that can be extracted in
text form from a .rev file.

Anyone game to give it a try?

Sarah


From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Feb 28 20:34:31 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:34:31 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>

Hi Jacque,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  I am not able to open
any PDF file with TextEdit & I have installed PDFServices
according to the document.

When I open files and have all readable files selected the
PDF files are all grey (disabled).

I don't really need it I was just trying it since some users
here mentioned it and thought I would install it in case
I wanted to use it in the future.

I am glad to see the support for Rev is better than that
for PDFServices.  I know it is free but telling me that it
works for them didn't provide me much help.  I had a
good idea it worked for them or they would not have
bothered making it available as a download.

Anyway thanks for your help.  I think I will give up trying
to make it work.  It is probably something really simple
or for some reason the G4 AGP is not compatible.

-=>JB<=-


On Feb 28, 2008, at 4:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> -= JB =- wrote:
>> And to further continue the discussion I would like to
>> point out I am unable to use the PDFServices on my
>> computer for some strange reason.
>
> Try some different PDF files. I notice that some just open as  
> binary and others do get translated. I haven't figured out why some  
> fail. Most of those that I created with OS X's print file dialog  
> (print to PDF) seem to work. Some others which I got from other  
> sources don't do as well.
>
> -- 
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 20:49:37 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:49:37 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:34 AM, -= JB =- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

>
> Anyway thanks for your help.  I think I will give up trying
> to make it work.  It is probably something really simple
> or for some reason the G4 AGP is not compatible.
>
> What version of OSX are you on?

In which 'Services' folder is PDF2RTFService installed? - The one in your
user account 'Library' folder or is it in the  'System/Library' folder?

What other Services do you have installed - (both in your personal and
System Library)?

I just find it incredibly handy so I'd hate you to miss out:-)


From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Feb 28 21:09:57 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:09:57 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>


On Feb 28, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
> In which 'Services' folder is PDF2RTFService installed? - The one  
> in your
> user account 'Library' folder or is it in the  'System/Library'  
> folder?
>
> What other Services do you have installed - (both in your personal and
> System Library)?
>
> I just find it incredibly handy so I'd hate you to miss out:-)


That is an excellent question.  I installed it in my user account  
library not
the System library.  I have been using OS X for around a year but these
little things still can mess me up.

I installed it in the System Library and guess what?  It still does  
not work.
Maybe I am still doing something really stupid.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 22:03:30 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:03:30 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
	<14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802281903q197bc46cr867ae0071eec69d@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:09 AM, -= JB =- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

>
> I installed it in the System Library and guess what?  It still does
> not work.


What version of OSX? This works due to something in 10.4 and above.

If I try to open a pdf in TextEdit on 10.3.9 with PDF2RTFService installed I
get "TextEdit Open Failed", "Couldn't open file " your file name here.

HTH


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 28 22:08:07 2008
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:08:07 -0600
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
	<14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <47C77717.2070804@hyperactivesw.com>

-= JB =- wrote:
> 
> On Feb 28, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>
>> In which 'Services' folder is PDF2RTFService installed? - The one in your
>> user account 'Library' folder or is it in the  'System/Library' folder?
>>
>> What other Services do you have installed - (both in your personal and
>> System Library)?
>>
>> I just find it incredibly handy so I'd hate you to miss out:-)
> 
> 
> That is an excellent question.  I installed it in my user account 
> library not
> the System library.  I have been using OS X for around a year but these
> little things still can mess me up.
> 
> I installed it in the System Library and guess what?  It still does not 
> work.
> Maybe I am still doing something really stupid.

I installed it in my user library too, OS 10.4.11, Intel, and it works. 
But when I installed it in my user library on a G4 Powerbook running 
10.3.9, it didn't work there. Since you have the same OS I have on my 
Intel, that leaves the G4 in common. It might be an incompatibility with 
that.

One difference though is that TextEdit on my Powerbook does not dim PDF 
files, I can choose them. However, none of them will open and TextEdit 
throws an error about incompatible files.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Feb 28 22:24:37 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:24:37 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802281903q197bc46cr867ae0071eec69d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
	<14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281903q197bc46cr867ae0071eec69d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F50FBED0-B80B-4654-9538-8DD735A1F8B8@pacifier.com>


On Feb 28, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> What version of OSX? This works due to something in 10.4 and above.
>
> If I try to open a pdf in TextEdit on 10.3.9 with PDF2RTFService  
> installed I
> get "TextEdit Open Failed", "Couldn't open file " your file name here.
>
> HTH

I am using OS X 10.4.11.

After your email I started looking at my hard drive and realized I have
three library folders located:

1.  My OS X folder
2.  In the same folder my OS X folder is located
3.  My user folder

The instructions say to put it in a folder named Services
in the Home folder.  I assume this is the user folder but
I installed it in all three at different times rebooting etc.

I finally got it to work.  The problem is I was confusing
the Apple TextEdit with a program I have used many
years starting in older OS systems named TextEdit Plus.
It has been updated over the years and works on OS X.

Finally I installed it again in my user Library folder and
started up the Apple TextEdit.  It works great.

Thanks for taking the time to keep asking questions.  The
problem all came from me trying to open it using the wrong
program and not the installation.

I thought it might be something really stupid but when you
start going down the wrong road it is easy to keep going
the wrong way.

thanks again,
-=>JB<=-


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 28 22:54:31 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:54:31 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <F50FBED0-B80B-4654-9538-8DD735A1F8B8@pacifier.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
	<14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281903q197bc46cr867ae0071eec69d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50FBED0-B80B-4654-9538-8DD735A1F8B8@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <p06240817c3ed31d2388c@[192.168.1.70]>

It's actually called TEXedit, no T, as in Texas. I've used this 
product since the early 90's, one of the first donationware 
products...  I use it almost every day.


>years starting in older OS systems named TextEdit Plus.
>It has been updated over the years and works on OS X.


-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From engleerica at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 28 22:55:26 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:55:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 2.9 beta browser?
In-Reply-To: <20080229011527.633A94897DD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <380273.77299.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I have not been able to succesfully launch the rev 2.9
internet browser (formerly altbrowser) from the 2.9
interface or from the message box.
Okay, "I'm doing it wrong." and RTFM (I did).
I will search through the stacks and documentation but
maybe someone can tell me what to do to launch the
internal-internet-browser (rather than
explorer/firefox from rev which does work). Or confirm
the 1 in a million chance that the UI is messed up and
so is the command (lol as if)

I think Rev should continue to become net centric. I
really look forward to the day when there is a firefox
extension/plugin to read stacks directly from the
internet. 
I'm also interested in rev for animation so the loss
of the animation toolkit is kind of a downer -- though
my preferred implementation would be using each card
as 1 frame rather than several frames on one card.

Also, quicktime supports flash so I assume rev that
supports quicktime also supports flash? (ooooh! off
toe xperiment!)




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From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Feb 28 23:02:15 2008
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:02:15 -0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <p06240817c3ed31d2388c@[192.168.1.70]>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<47C0AFBD.5020106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
	<14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281903q197bc46cr867ae0071eec69d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50FBED0-B80B-4654-9538-8DD735A1F8B8@pacifier.com>
	<p06240817c3ed31d2388c@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <D832AFE6-58F9-4D43-9570-61927E7AAC23@pacifier.com>


On Feb 28, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> It's actually called TEXedit, no T, as in Texas. I've used this  
> product since the early 90's, one of the first donationware  
> products...  I use it almost every day.
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -

You are right.  I have used it many years too but my mind just
wasn't thinking properly.

I bet I remember it from now on.

thanks to all for the help!

-=>JB<=-


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 23:03:10 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:03:10 +0800
Subject: Extracting text from PDF
In-Reply-To: <F50FBED0-B80B-4654-9538-8DD735A1F8B8@pacifier.com>
References: <47C0A29E.1040906@fourthworld.com>
	<f73a98160802270256q29c27db0sb27efa3024141c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F5AB272-487E-41B7-88D5-0549BC2833E8@comcast.net>
	<7ABA842B-FAC9-4FE3-A0D7-742BC05404F6@pacifier.com>
	<47C75636.5040703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EA06B577-9D37-4E40-9940-0DE62312D4BB@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281749q1c7eea8dpaa6e3373ed2b7537@mail.gmail.com>
	<14B075F7-D308-4DBF-97D3-79B2E53B7ACD@pacifier.com>
	<f73a98160802281903q197bc46cr867ae0071eec69d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50FBED0-B80B-4654-9538-8DD735A1F8B8@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802282003m19928483n20c7b9f99c376ea@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, -= JB =- <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

>
> Finally I installed it again in my user Library folder and
> started up the Apple TextEdit.  It works great.
>

Excellent.

>
> Thanks for taking the time to keep asking questions.  The
> problem all came from me trying to open it using the wrong
> program and not the installation.
>

It's worth noting that PDF2RTFService shouldn't just work in TextEdit & it's
not only limited to PDF. Any 'proper' Cocoa application that uses Quartz
should be able to open not only PDF, but PostScript and Encapsulated
PostScript files. Pages does it, but my all time favourite BBEdit does
not:-(

Oh, and that road you mentioned, I've been down that many many times. I just
need to look at my first post in this thread. Extracting the PDF and
creating a new document all because I couldn't get AppleScript to talk
directly to Rev. Turns out it can, very easily, it was just that I was down
that road and just kept going....:-(

Lastly, for those who are still following this. In my first post I indicated
that I believed that PDF2RTF was for personal use only. I can't seem to find
that anywhere & believe I may have confused it with the PDF Browser Plugin
which allows you to view PDFs directly in your browser without the need to
download the file.

http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/

PDF Browser Plugin 2 is free for not-for-profit activities if used at home
or at educational institutions.

So those of you with a commercial interest in extracting text from PDF,
PostScript or EPS files you may want to take a closer look at:

http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html


From engleerica at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 28 23:10:41 2008
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:10:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <20080229011527.633A94897DD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <297679.17239.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

my preliminary try shows that flv isn't supported in
quicktime and so isn't supported in the player object.


I know (and can) transform flv into avi or mpg (or
anything else). It would be convenient to be able to
directly play flv thanks to the new proprietary codec
on flv used by youtube (mollie whatever foad)

I'm presuming old school .swf can play (what about dcr
/ dir? I doubt it but if I'm wrong tell me).

Though, if even .wmv isn't supported by the player
object I'm sort of disappointed. Video File format 
conversions are always time consuming and sometimes
result in a loss of image quality or alteration of
image speed. wmv should be supported natively on
windows at least.

Also, when all options are visible ina scrollable
field it would be nice if the scrolling arrows were
grayed out or better yet disappeared altogether since
one cannot see otherwise that in fact all items in a
list are already visible.

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Feb 28 23:35:05 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:35:05 +0100
Subject: Coverflow in Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860802281715o1bee0730gcc29d14180df75e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<F3083732-B060-43D0-B179-56D58C619765@economy-x-talk.com>
	<f99b52860802281715o1bee0730gcc29d14180df75e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD5349D2-6456-492B-A7F1-C2AE1DFFF545@ezpzapps.com>


Mark said:

>> On Apple's website, I have found some applets that contain scripts
>> showing any set of files in a QuickLook or QuickView window, but I
>> haven't found a way to use CoverFlow. I'd be very interested in a way
>> to get this done within Revolution.



There is a javascript variation of CoverFlow at:    http://myscraproom.net/

also:  http://members.tripod.com/rv6/flow3.html
also:   http://194.95.111.244/~countzero/scripts/_myImageFlow/    -- 
use arrow keys
also:  http://www.randytamayo.com/cf_index.html      --use arrow keys



Go to:    http://www.adventuresinsoftware.com/blog/?p=104     and you  
will find
the following explanation.


---------------------
Michael L Perry Says:
April 28th, 2007 at 9:50 am
All of the code is available directly in the page. (Yes, I know it  
should be broken out, but this was an experiment.) You can take this  
code and use it as your own.

There are three ideas in the code.

First, the use of setTimeout to perform animation. setTimeout  
schedules a function call to occur at some time in the future. If the  
animation is not yet finished, this function should again call  
setTimeout.

Second, the math behind the manipulation of the images. The path is a  
100-unit hyperbola, where the observer is standing 100 diagonal units  
away from the origin. Divide the image height by the perpendicular  
distance from the observer to simulate vanishing. Change the zIndex to  
simulate occlusion.

Third, the use of hidden div tags to hold data. Set the inner text of  
a visible div tag to the inner text of a hidden one in order to place  
the data on the screen.

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Feb 28 23:39:00 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:39:00 +0100
Subject: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <297679.17239.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <297679.17239.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F5379F00-9466-4238-A124-DF8C155C13AF@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:10 AM, Eric A. Engle wrote:

> Though, if even .wmv isn't supported by the player
> object I'm sort of disappointed.

WMV files can be played with Rev 2.6.4  but were  'not available'
in later Rev versions.

However, I can now play WMV files with the 2.9 Rev beta.

sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 29 00:05:00 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:05:00 +0100
Subject: Surprise a friend with a Color Converter license
Message-ID: <108C4CB9-EC01-4A8A-905F-9876D79643A5@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Revolution users,

Economy-x-Talk has decided to start spring early this year! For the  
occasion, we are giving away free Color Converter licenses.

Color Converter is a simple utility, made with Revolution, that lets  
you convert codes from and to different colour spaces. Formats  
included are CMYK, HTML (Hexadecimal), HSV, and XYZ. Additionally, RAL  
codes can be converted to any of aforementioned formats.

If you buy a license for Color Converter before 21 March, you get the  
opportunity to send a free license to a friend. How does this work?  
Simply go to <http://economy-x-talk.com/ccsurprise.html> and fill out  
the form on that page. After submitting the required information, you  
will be taken to another page, where you can buy a license (using  
PayPal). After completing your transaction, Economy-x-Talk will send  
out the two licenses as soon as possible.

Please, do not share the URL outside this mailing list. This offer is  
limited to the Revolution community.

If you have questions about this offer, don't hesitate to contact me.  
I hope you enjoy the offer and will help make this spring more  
colourful than ever.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb 29 00:25:31 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:25:31 -0800
Subject: 2.9 beta browser?
In-Reply-To: <380273.77299.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C3ECD74B.38AF1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Eric A. Engle wrote:

> Also, quicktime supports flash so I assume rev that
> supports quicktime also supports flash? (ooooh! off
> toe xperiment!)

Apparently not:

http://geekglue.blogspot.com/2008/02/quicktime-74-removes-all-support-for.ht
ml

I tried some tests last night and as far as I can tell, it is gone.  The
only recourse for Flash in Rev now is revBrowser.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri Feb 29 01:12:26 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:12:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
Message-ID: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi to all those who have used or are using RunRev in a team development
environment...

I have some questions as to even if RunRev allows itself to be a software
development tool for development teams. So here are my questions:
Who is using RunRev in a group development environment? (reply if you are)
How many developers are on the team?
Are the developers in the same office or are the team members spread over
different regions or countries?
How are you handling "master" stack updates to the server?
How do you handle "code" (.rev files) check-out and check-in?

Bottom line, is RunRev a good tool to use in a production team environment?

I ask these questions at this time after spending almost 2 years using and
learning RunRev on my spare time.
It is starting to appear to me that it's a viable tool to use to develop
"off the shelf" software products.
But with that in mind it's important to understand the questions above, as
one day this may be the tool of choice.
Thanx in advance for your replies,
Mark Stuart
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From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Fri Feb 29 01:17:26 2008
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:17:26 +0900
Subject: 2.9 beta browser?
In-Reply-To: <C3ECD74B.38AF1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3ECD74B.38AF1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <B906110B-7B07-42A8-967E-357D61F5F6F2@ronri-kobo.com>

On 2008/02/29, at 14:25, Scott Rossi wrote:

> I tried some tests last night and as far as I can tell, it is  
> gone.  The
> only recourse for Flash in Rev now is revBrowser.

I created an external to play Flash movies (including FLV videos) in  
Rev. And I also created an application ("F-ab") using the external.  
It is downloadable at the following web page:

http://www.f-ab.net/

For more information:
http://www.freewaregenius.com/2008/02/17/f-ab-is-an-online-flash- 
animationvideo-channel-browser/

This application was created by Runrev 2.8.1. YouTube videos are able  
to be registered in this application simply by using drag & drop. If  
you change the channel to CH.0704, you can see a YouTube video("POMP  
AND CIRCUMSTANCE") I registered.

Jiro Harada



From rgould8 at aol.com  Fri Feb 29 02:24:41 2008
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:24:41 -0500
Subject: Anyone ever print to a Zerbra label printer?
Message-ID: <8CA48BB4878A652-1564-36F4@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com>

Can anyone tell me if they've ever succeeded in getting Revolution to print to?a Zebra label printer?? In particular, an LP 2844-Z?

Second question:? Anyone know if it's possible to print a barcode label on such a printer from a web-browser?

>From what I'm reading the drivers for these printers are a nightmare.

I'm on a Mac, so that may or may not make things better.

- Rob



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb 29 02:28:10 2008
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:28:10 -0800
Subject: 2.9 beta browser?
In-Reply-To: <B906110B-7B07-42A8-967E-357D61F5F6F2@ronri-kobo.com>
Message-ID: <C3ECF40A.38AFC%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jiro Harada wrote:

>> I tried some tests last night and as far as I can tell, it is
>> gone.  The
>> only recourse for Flash in Rev now is revBrowser.

> I created an external to play Flash movies (including FLV videos) in
> Rev. And I also created an application ("F-ab") using the external.

Yes, Jiro, I remember seeing a post about your application.  Do you make
your external available to other Rev developers or just the F-ab
application?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Feb 29 03:01:19 2008
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:01:19 +0100
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>

Hi Mark,

 >Who is using RunRev in a group development environment? (reply if  
you are)

Me :)

 >How many developers are on the team?

Up to 5

 >Are the developers in the same office or are the team members spread  
over
 >different regions or countries?

Most of the time same office, somtimes spread across regions

 >How are you handling "master" stack updates to the server?

Very carefully. ;-)

 >How do you handle "code" (.rev files) check-out and check-in?

SVN

 >Bottom line, is RunRev a good tool to use in a production team  
environment?

The file format is not really team friendly given its binary nature.  
It boils down to that every team member is working on one module  
(stack) at the time, which get loaded by a splash screen master stack  
in the deployed version. If cards need to be in the same stack, but  
different people are working on them, we either copy over the cards,  
or ping ourselfs in an IM system. "Do you have xyz.rev in use at the  
moment? Please check it in to SVN that I can do my bits" And in a few  
cases this goes wrong. Given the binary nature of stacks, SVN can not  
merge them, which is a pity. I wrote an XML exporter for stacks, that  
can export a stack to XML and recreate the stack afterwards. However,  
this has some difficulties, as there are some properties, that can not  
be set by script (ID being one). So one needs to design the stacks  
carefully (do not refer to controls by ID) and I gave up on that  
approach.

 >I ask these questions at this time after spending almost 2 years  
using and
 >learning RunRev on my spare time.
 >It is starting to appear to me that it's a viable tool to use to  
develop
 >"off the shelf" software products.

Good tool with up and downsides in team mode. It plays nicer with one  
man show companies.

 >But with that in mind it's important to understand the questions  
above, as
 >one day this may be the tool of choice.

I hope my answers help a bit.

All the best,

Malte



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Feb 29 03:19:57 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:19:57 +0100
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C133F83E-3095-42A8-89EF-3FDB4EA1EC0C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello,

Due to time difference, I am a bit late in this thread but I would  
like to consider this problem from another point of view :-)
Instead of having to search for all forms ('smith', 'Smith' or  
'SMITH') I would rather prefer to reformat user entries as soon as  
they are done to match a 'style' sheet that will make all data  
display consistent.
To achieve such a goal, you might be interested in my "How to master  
user's data entries" tutorial:
This stack shows you how to allow the user to type the data you  
expect according to a format in an entry box field.
Five examples are provided from a simple ZIP code to custom  
sophisticated formats.

You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free  
plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to  
display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 29 f?vr. 08 ? 00:08, dcpbarrington a ?crit :

> This has to be very simple, but I cannot find anything in the DOCs  
> or an
> example.
>
> I have a database that I want to allow the user to querry a record  
> by the
> persons last name.  So I have a simple entry box with a button to  
> querry the
> database.
>
> Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same  
> case as
> has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the  
> user enters
> "smith" in the select box, the record is not found.
>
> I want to do the database select with different text formats to  
> make sure
> that the record is found.
> SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"
>
> I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
> function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.

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From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Fri Feb 29 03:20:17 2008
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:20:17 +0900
Subject: 2.9 beta browser?
In-Reply-To: <C3ECF40A.38AFC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3ECF40A.38AFC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <DE9627AD-CF9D-415F-B57E-E100FB6B8351@ronri-kobo.com>

On 2008/02/29, at 16:28, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
> Yes, Jiro, I remember seeing a post about your application.  Do you  
> make
> your external available to other Rev developers or just the F-ab
> application?
>

Currently the external is not still available for other developers.
You are right. The only recourse for Flash in Rev now is revBrowser.
I still have to do many things to release the external for other  
developers.

Jiro Harada



From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Fri Feb 29 03:22:49 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:22:49 +0100
Subject: about the message path
In-Reply-To: <B2AFCEF0-2E99-4616-B024-761C8B9423F0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>
	<B2AFCEF0-2E99-4616-B024-761C8B9423F0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <0D6C142E-099F-415D-B3E4-197337129994@free.fr>

>>

Bonjour Eric,


>> .....
>> how the plugin concept fit into the message hierarchy ?
>>
> Actually a plugin is a stack like any another one but...

Yes, but, as you say  :-)

> If you look at 'Plugin Settings' in 'Development' menu, you'll see  
> that a plugin is able to receive a lot of specific messages like  
> revMouseMove or revSelectionChanged: this means that these system  
> messages (mouseMove or selectionChanged) will be sent to the  
> default stack but to your plugin too(using the rev prefix)  to let  
> you act accordingly.

When you say a lot of specific messages,
  do you mean only those described in the plugin settings window,
or even others or even all rev messages available ?

> These messages are sent to the plugin stack when specified  
> (actually there are some custom properties set by the IDE in the  
> plugin stack that allow this: I am not going to be more precise  
> unless you need it :-)

Are you talking about cRevLoadInfo property ?
If yes, I understand  what you mean...


> But to be frank, it's never as simple as it appears...

To be also frank, I never thought it was that simple....


> Nevertheless, hope this helps.

Oui, merci beaucoup !
But, I'm still stuck with the message hierarchy ?
Let me take a simple example ( it's just an example ) :

I would like to offer a Service to the Rev developper.
Have handlers like StartCoffeeMachine, StopCoffeeMachine,
PleaseAStrongCoffeeForPluginDevelopment,etc....
and then a bunch of buttons and field for preferences.

How do I state that this handlers are available everywhere ?

Otherwise,
what about writing one more of your nice tutorials ?

Regards,
Thierry



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 29 03:27:57 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:27:57 +0100
Subject: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <297679.17239.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <297679.17239.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <284390C6-6A05-4F08-8674-08AE51642DAF@major-k.de>

Hi Eric,

> my preliminary try shows that flv isn't supported in
> quicktime and so isn't supported in the player object.

install the free "Perian" QT plugin and play flv in QuickTime/ 
players, too!

Get it here and spread the word :-)
http://www.perian.org

> ...

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Feb 29 03:32:51 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:32:51 +0100
Subject: about the message path
In-Reply-To: <0D6C142E-099F-415D-B3E4-197337129994@free.fr>
References: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>
	<B2AFCEF0-2E99-4616-B024-761C8B9423F0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<0D6C142E-099F-415D-B3E4-197337129994@free.fr>
Message-ID: <5EEDA61E-F80A-416B-9C3D-7441DAF20E18@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Thierry,

Le 29 f?vr. 08 ? 09:22, Thierry a ?crit :

> Bonjour Eric,
>
>
>>> .....
>>> how the plugin concept fit into the message hierarchy ?
>>>
>> Actually a plugin is a stack like any another one but...
>
> Yes, but, as you say  :-)
>
>> If you look at 'Plugin Settings' in 'Development' menu, you'll see  
>> that a plugin is able to receive a lot of specific messages like  
>> revMouseMove or revSelectionChanged: this means that these system  
>> messages (mouseMove or selectionChanged) will be sent to the  
>> default stack but to your plugin too(using the rev prefix)  to let  
>> you act accordingly.
>
> When you say a lot of specific messages,
>  do you mean only those described in the plugin settings window,
> or even others or even all rev messages available ?

Those that are listed are the only ones you can use.
Actually when I began to write plugins, I thought there were not  
numerous enough but finally all messages you could need are there :-)

>> These messages are sent to the plugin stack when specified  
>> (actually there are some custom properties set by the IDE in the  
>> plugin stack that allow this: I am not going to be more precise  
>> unless you need it :-)
>
> Are you talking about cRevLoadInfo property ?
> If yes, I understand  what you mean...

Exactly :-)

>> But to be frank, it's never as simple as it appears...
>
> To be also frank, I never thought it was that simple....
>
>
>> Nevertheless, hope this helps.
>
> Oui, merci beaucoup !
> But, I'm still stuck with the message hierarchy ?
> Let me take a simple example ( it's just an example ) :
>
> I would like to offer a Service to the Rev developper.
> Have handlers like StartCoffeeMachine, StopCoffeeMachine,
> PleaseAStrongCoffeeForPluginDevelopment,etc....
> and then a bunch of buttons and field for preferences.
>
> How do I state that this handlers are available everywhere ?

Not sure I understand what you want:
Are you saying you want a library put in use that will make all your  
handlers available from any stack open in the IDE?
Probably I miss your point...

> Otherwise,
> what about writing one more of your nice tutorials ?

LOL
Thanks for the kind words but how many people would be really  
interested in?

> Regards,
> Thierry

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 29 03:43:39 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:43:39 +0100
Subject: AW: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <284390C6-6A05-4F08-8674-08AE51642DAF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <000d01c87aaf$2f420360$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

For Mac only - right?
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus Major
> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 09:28
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> > my preliminary try shows that flv isn't supported in
> > quicktime and so isn't supported in the player object.
> 
> install the free "Perian" QT plugin and play flv in QuickTime/
> players, too!
> 
> Get it here and spread the word :-)
> http://www.perian.org
> 
> > ...
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 29 03:55:24 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:55:24 +0100
Subject: AW: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c87aaf$2f420360$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000d01c87aaf$2f420360$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <3214B67E-F053-4E22-A759-CDE5E144C78F@major-k.de>

Hi Tiemo,

> For Mac only - right?

Sure :-)

> Tiemo

>> Hi Eric,
>>
>>> my preliminary try shows that flv isn't supported in
>>> quicktime and so isn't supported in the player object.
>>
>> install the free "Perian" QT plugin and play flv in QuickTime/
>> players, too!
>>
>> Get it here and spread the word :-)
>> http://www.perian.org
>>
>>> ...

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 29 04:00:23 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:00:23 +0100
Subject: AW: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <F5379F00-9466-4238-A124-DF8C155C13AF@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <001301c87ab1$8563f620$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Jim,
can you play WMV in 2.9 with the videoClip object or player object or both?
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Sims
> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 05:39
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
> 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:10 AM, Eric A. Engle wrote:
> 
> > Though, if even .wmv isn't supported by the player
> > object I'm sort of disappointed.
> 
> WMV files can be played with Rev 2.6.4  but were  'not available'
> in later Rev versions.
> 
> However, I can now play WMV files with the 2.9 Rev beta.
> 
> sims
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ClipaSearch Pro
> http://www.ClipaTools.com
> 
> Across Platforms - Code and Culture
> http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/
> 
> 
> 
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Feb 29 04:04:53 2008
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:04:53 +0100
Subject: AW: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <001301c87ab1$8563f620$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001301c87ab1$8563f620$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <F79AF91A-79DC-4C8F-B42B-81A18E284B2C@ezpzapps.com>


On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> can you play WMV in 2.9 with the videoClip object or player object  
> or both?
> Tiemo

Haven't tried videoClip, so don't know.

I can play WMV with the Player object.

sims
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ClipaSearch Pro
http://www.ClipaTools.com

Across Platforms - Code and Culture
http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/






From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Feb 29 04:09:34 2008
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:09:34 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
In-Reply-To: <F79AF91A-79DC-4C8F-B42B-81A18E284B2C@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <001401c87ab2$cdd70f90$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Sims
> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 10:05
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: flv in stacks? swf in stacks?
> 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > can you play WMV in 2.9 with the videoClip object or player object
> > or both?
> > Tiemo
> 
> Haven't tried videoClip, so don't know.
> 
> I can play WMV with the Player object.
> 
> sims
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From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Fri Feb 29 04:11:44 2008
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:11:44 +0100
Subject: about the message path
In-Reply-To: <5EEDA61E-F80A-416B-9C3D-7441DAF20E18@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>
	<B2AFCEF0-2E99-4616-B024-761C8B9423F0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<0D6C142E-099F-415D-B3E4-197337129994@free.fr>
	<5EEDA61E-F80A-416B-9C3D-7441DAF20E18@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <A6A4BD6C-F1C5-4655-B901-C4838DA74CF6@free.fr>

>
Bonjour  Eric,


>>> These messages are sent to the plugin stack when specified  
>>> (actually there are some custom properties set by the IDE in the  
>>> plugin stack that allow this
>>
>> Are you talking about cRevLoadInfo property ?
> Exactly :-)

Classe !


> Not sure I understand what you want:
> Are you saying you want a library put in use that will make all  
> your handlers available from any stack open in the IDE?
> Probably I miss your point...

No, you don't :-)

Yes, i would like *few*, not all of my personal handlers to be  
available from any Users stacks.
and still doesn't understand how we do that in a clean way with  
plugins, or if we
can do that without hacking anything in the IDE...

which brings back to my first question about fitting in the message  
hierarchy :-)

Sorry for not being clear....

>
>> Otherwise,
>> what about writing one more of your nice tutorials ?
>
> LOL
> Thanks for the kind words but how many people would be really  
> interested in?

Well, you never know :-)
and looking at the number of viewers in "Building Externals/Plugins"  
forum,
it's quite a lot.... :-)

Au plaisir,
Thierry




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Feb 29 04:38:02 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:38:02 +0100
Subject: about the message path
In-Reply-To: <A6A4BD6C-F1C5-4655-B901-C4838DA74CF6@free.fr>
References: <383EE688-B4D4-4D4B-B20E-EF18E3A6F3FD@free.fr>
	<B2AFCEF0-2E99-4616-B024-761C8B9423F0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<0D6C142E-099F-415D-B3E4-197337129994@free.fr>
	<5EEDA61E-F80A-416B-9C3D-7441DAF20E18@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<A6A4BD6C-F1C5-4655-B901-C4838DA74CF6@free.fr>
Message-ID: <C52A0339-9D62-46B6-BAA8-CC381E372AFA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Thierry,

Le 29 f?vr. 08 ? 10:11, Thierry a ?crit :

>> Not sure I understand what you want:
>> Are you saying you want a library put in use that will make all  
>> your handlers available from any stack open in the IDE?
>> Probably I miss your point...
>
> No, you don't :-)
>
> Yes, i would like *few*, not all of my personal handlers to be  
> available from any Users stacks.
> and still doesn't understand how we do that in a clean way with  
> plugins, or if we
> can do that without hacking anything in the IDE...
>
> which brings back to my first question about fitting in the message  
> hierarchy :-)
>
> Sorry for not being clear....

If you want to have some messages available and not others, you have  
two ways:
. Use the private keyword (with 2.8 and higher) to distinguish those  
that are accessible to all or not in a stack's script put in use.
. Split your code between your plugin main card and stack: code in  
the card will not be shared while code in the stack (put in use) will  
be shared.
If this does not help contact me off list in French :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From camm29 at tesco.net  Fri Feb 29 04:48:18 2008
From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 9:48:18 +0000
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <47C72C7E.3000701@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <20080229094818.QVU0M.970262.root@web09-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Phil ,

That's looks like a good option !

I'll see if i can make it work.

Regards


---- Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote: 
> Camm29 wrote:
> > Now days people have so many allocated ports in use !
> >
> > Virtual Com Ports for usb and bluetooth etc , etc
> >
> > I have 100's of requests for users to be able to select Com port 10 and
> > above.
> >
> > So its not that we need to use 10's of RS232 Physical ports but need to
> > allocate
> > more than revs out dated 1 to 9.
> 
> Is there a way to do it with shell() ? If you can do it from a command 
> line, you can probably do it with Rev's shell() function. When I need to 
> go beyond Rev's native capabilities, that's often what I use.
> 
> WARNING: I don't know much about COM port management.
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
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From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Feb 29 05:21:40 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:21:40 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <20080229093816.D280B489C97@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080229093816.D280B489C97@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-W2947CF6F4BDC580AFBFC5BAD140@phx.gbl>

Hello all,
 
Glad this question came up because the company I work for has been mulling over Rev for development work. No decision has been made yet, but I've had to give this some serious thought as to how we'd go about things if we did.
 
We'd basically have three or four coders working on a project, and we would have to split out into many stacks so each coder could work on a bit each. Some stacks, therefore, would act as interface but would contain very little 'doing' code and other stacks would act as libraries that process bits of data, or provide support for interface elements such as a tree view. In this way, you could break a project down and give each developer specific tasks and ownership of areas to work on.
 
If there was one stack that contained more UI that any other, one developer would have to be given responsibility over it and merge the others' efforts. This might mean that the other developers produce a stack with just that one particular card in it, which would then reduce the potential for mixing up versions of the stacks. If they're working on just one card but have the main stacks 'in use' at the time, there should be little chance of scripts not working when merged.
 
You'd need to set a variable naming convention, to make sure that your guys don't go mad and create their own globals for the same thing. Locals should be named conventionally too, so it's easier to read code. The first stack that loads should set your 'world' variables, as I call them... ones that determine look and feel, location of files and folders etc.
 
Code should be well commented and explained so a second developer can follow what's been done. In my own projects, I use two commenting styles... one that explains what the handler does and ones that explain what I'm doing as I go along. It's usually easier to read Rev's code than other languages but sometimes it can get complicated, especially if abbreviations or more advanced structures are used.
 
Using groups of controls should make things easier to manage too. So if you've got a panel on your main stack and it gets updated, it should just be a matter of deleting the group and replacing it with another.
 
There are loads of reasons why Rev would work so well as a development platform but it would require careful management of the project to ensure it all comes together. That said, I'm sure any development team is used to some discipline and my gut feeling is that the speed with which an application could be put together outweighs any additional time spent controlling it.
 
What do others think? Wouldn't it be interesting if the list worked on a group project to find out how easy it is to produce something in this way?
 
Cheers,
 
 
Steve
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 29 06:06:09 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:06:09 +0100
Subject: Coverflow in Rev
In-Reply-To: <BD5349D2-6456-492B-A7F1-C2AE1DFFF545@ezpzapps.com>
References: <15716595.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<F3083732-B060-43D0-B179-56D58C619765@economy-x-talk.com>
	<f99b52860802281715o1bee0730gcc29d14180df75e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD5349D2-6456-492B-A7F1-C2AE1DFFF545@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <67EE2220-0C6F-4A05-A1A0-C4B7D48D4C16@economy-x-talk.com>

Thanks! That looks very promising.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 29 feb 2008, at 05:35, Jim Sims wrote:
>
>
> There is a javascript variation of CoverFlow at:    http://myscraproom.net/
>
> also:  http://members.tripod.com/rv6/flow3.html
> also:   http://194.95.111.244/~countzero/scripts/_myImageFlow/    -- 
> use arrow keys
> also:  http://www.randytamayo.com/cf_index.html      --use arrow keys
>
>
>
> Go to:    http://www.adventuresinsoftware.com/blog/?p=104     and  
> you will find
> the following explanation.

<snip>



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 06:10:10 2008
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:10:10 +0800
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <C133F83E-3095-42A8-89EF-3FDB4EA1EC0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C133F83E-3095-42A8-89EF-3FDB4EA1EC0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160802290310q4db314f2s6b5c56a73a01f054@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Eric Chatonet <
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:

>
> I would
> like to consider this problem from another point of view :-)
> Instead of having to search for all forms ('smith', 'Smith' or
> 'SMITH') I would rather prefer to reformat user entries as soon as
> they are done to match a 'style' sheet that will make all data
> display consistent.
>

Whilst I fully agree that there are many instances where formating data on
entry is the way to go (date, time, money, Countries, States, etc etc,) I
believe a person's Name is not one of them. Unless no one else is going to
see it but you. Here are a couple of sample names:

da Vinci
deJorgne
O'Loghlen
McDonald
MacDonald
Smith-Clark

A simple capitalise the first letter of the word might render this.

Da Vinci
Dejorgne
O'loghlen
Mcdonald
Macdonald
Smith-clark

The code to format names so that they are 'correctly' capitalised is far far
more complex and time consuming that the simple solution offered by Len;
case insensitive searches.

Why would it matter, it doesn't if you're the only one who sees it, but if
it's viewed by a wider audience, particularly the very people whose names
are entered (ie, it goes on mailing labels or appears in the company
directory), you might be surprised at how many get touchy when you can't
spell or capitalise their name correctly - especially when they're higher up
the food chain;-)


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Feb 29 06:26:45 2008
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:26:45 +0100
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160802290310q4db314f2s6b5c56a73a01f054@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C133F83E-3095-42A8-89EF-3FDB4EA1EC0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f73a98160802290310q4db314f2s6b5c56a73a01f054@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2540912-2A9A-41CE-BC2C-2D16B8C9F6C4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour kayclAn :-)

As for person's names, I agree: reformatting them using lower and  
upper cases at the right place in all cases is not *practically*  
possible and, often, the way to go is to capitalize them completely :-)
But I assume that there are other 'columns' that could be smartly  
reformatted.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 29 f?vr. 08 ? 12:10, Kay C Lan a ?crit :

> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Eric Chatonet <
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I would
>> like to consider this problem from another point of view :-)
>> Instead of having to search for all forms ('smith', 'Smith' or
>> 'SMITH') I would rather prefer to reformat user entries as soon as
>> they are done to match a 'style' sheet that will make all data
>> display consistent.
>>
>
> Whilst I fully agree that there are many instances where formating  
> data on
> entry is the way to go (date, time, money, Countries, States, etc  
> etc,) I
> believe a person's Name is not one of them. Unless no one else is  
> going to
> see it but you. Here are a couple of sample names:
>
> da Vinci
> deJorgne
> O'Loghlen
> McDonald
> MacDonald
> Smith-Clark
>
> A simple capitalise the first letter of the word might render this.
>
> Da Vinci
> Dejorgne
> O'loghlen
> Mcdonald
> Macdonald
> Smith-clark
>
> The code to format names so that they are 'correctly' capitalised  
> is far far
> more complex and time consuming that the simple solution offered by  
> Len;
> case insensitive searches.
>
> Why would it matter, it doesn't if you're the only one who sees it,  
> but if
> it's viewed by a wider audience, particularly the very people whose  
> names
> are entered (ie, it goes on mailing labels or appears in the company
> directory), you might be surprised at how many get touchy when you  
> can't
> spell or capitalise their name correctly - especially when they're  
> higher up
> the food chain;-)

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Feb 29 07:08:32 2008
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:08:32 +0000
Subject: Socket Accept/Connection Question/Problem
In-Reply-To: <47C72F04.5060201@tweedly.net>
References: <E8B616B3-4B74-42C3-B3C3-127D7A36066F@looktowindward.com>	<3D64B52E-A833-44C2-8700-F04879409FA4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<194BF694-55FD-413C-874B-219D32DB4CDA@looktowindward.com>
	<47C72F04.5060201@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <84C8ACD4-BFDA-4955-9278-D41B9A8974C1@looktowindward.com>


On 28 Feb 2008, at 22:00, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>>
>> All I want to do is to know if a Client successfully connected to  
>> a Server, surely this is what the openSocket command is for.
>>
> Not quite. The 'open socket' command does try to create the  
> connection, but it will not (immediately) tell you whether or not  
> it is successful in this attempt. From the Rev docs,
> " The handler continues executing while the connection is being  
> established. If you use the write to socket command while the  
> connection is opening, the data is buffered and is sent to the host  
> as soon as the connection is made."
>
> i.e. you will not get an indication of success or failure immediately.

Yes, I realize that the whole thing is asynchronous, when I say  
"call" I meant arrange to have a message sent at some future time.  
It's just easier to say "call".


>> Surely the:
>>
>>   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
>>
>> Statement should call "ClientSocketOpen" if the Server accepted  
>> the connection or call "socketError" or "socketTimeout" if there  
>> was an error? e.g. the Server closed the socket?
> Be wary of that simple word "call". the "open socket" statement  
> will not "call" ClientSocketOpen even in the successful case -  
> instead it will result in a message being sent SOME TIME LATER to  
> that handler. And in the failure  case, it will  cause a message to  
> either socketError or socketTimeOut  again, SOME TIME LATER.

Yes, the code I posted should handle that.
>
> Using the code we've discussed on the server, what you will get on  
> the client is a socketClosed message. The server will accept the  
> connection, which should result in a successful "ClientSocketOpen'  
> and then very quickly close it causing a subsequent 'socketClosed'  
> message.

Before I didn't have a "socketClosed" handler and I thought that this  
might be the missing part of the jigsaw, so I added one, and it does  
get called but not till a long time after and sometimes not at all.  
The "socketError" handler, resends the connect request after a delay  
of 2 seconds (send in time). The "socketClosed" message only seems to  
get sent after a few retries whereas it should get sent instead of  
the first "socketError", or at least during the 2 second wait before  
the connect is called again. Also the error returned is "Error 54  
reading socket", when the command that failed was a write, why is this?

Is there a list of the errors returned by the socket commands?

Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave

Here is a dump from the Server and Client logs:

---------------------------------------------------
SERVER LOG
--------------------------------------------------
ServerStart - Accept: 6000
192.168.1.111

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50642
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50642 - Closes Socket

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50643
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50643 - Closes Socket

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50644
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50644 - Closes Socket

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50645
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50645 - Closes Socket

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50646
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50646 - Closes Socket

ServerContactedByClient: 192.168.1.105:50647
ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client: 192.168.1.105:50647 - Closes Socket


---------------------------------------------------
CLIENT LOG
--------------------------------------------------

StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketOpen, Write Command: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, openSockets:


socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket
socketError - openSockets:


StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketOpen, Write Command: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, openSockets:


socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket
socketError - openSockets:


StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketOpen, Write Command: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, openSockets:


socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket
socketError - openSockets:


StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketOpen, Write Command: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, openSockets:


socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket
socketError - openSockets:


StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketOpen, Write Command: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, openSockets:


socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket
socketError - openSockets:


StartOneClient - Connect: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, Open Socket: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketOpen, Write Command: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward  
00000027$SYS,Connect,looktowindward
ClientSocketOpen, openSockets:
192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward

ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, Data Written: 192.168.1.87:6000| 
looktowindward
ClientSocketConnectionDataSent, openSockets:


socketClosed: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward    ********* AT LAST a  
socketClosed message ********









From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Fri Feb 29 08:03:16 2008
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:03:16 EST
Subject: Stupid Newbie Question
Message-ID: <c0d.27f1bb89.34f95c94@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

Considering I've been using Rev for about two years now, it's almost 
embarrassing to ask this question.

I have a field with three lines in it. I want to be able to edit any of those 
lines individually without changing the others. I can't seem to figure out 
what the field settings need to be to achieve this.

Thanks in advance. I don't know how I'd manage sometimes without the group's 
help.

Joe in Orlando, Florida


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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 29 08:12:11 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:12:11 +0100
Subject: Stupid Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <c0d.27f1bb89.34f95c94@aol.com>
References: <c0d.27f1bb89.34f95c94@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E681E1E1-5BD3-4A19-9A77-8B9347829A0C@major-k.de>

Hi Joe,

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Considering I've been using Rev for about two years now, it's almost
> embarrassing to ask this question.
>
> I have a field with three lines in it. I want to be able to edit  
> any of those
> lines individually without changing the others. I can't seem to  
> figure out
> what the field settings need to be to achieve this.

No settings for this one, sorry.

I would (and do) use a "mousedoubleup" handler that can check the  
clicked line
and then open an "ask Dialog" wehre the user can edit that line and  
write it back
to the field later...

Example, presumes that only line 2 should be edited:

on mousedoubleup
  put the selectedtext of me into tSl
  put the hilitedlines of me into tHl

## Check for editable line:
  if tHl <> 2 then
    exit mousedoubleup
  end if

  ask "Change this line:" with tSl
  if it <> empty then
    put it into line tHl of me
  end if
end mousedoubleup

Famous last words: Not tested, but should work :-)

> Thanks in advance. I don't know how I'd manage sometimes without  
> the group's
> help.
>
> Joe in Orlando, Florida

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 29 08:15:12 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:15:12 +0100
Subject: Stupid Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <E681E1E1-5BD3-4A19-9A77-8B9347829A0C@major-k.de>
References: <c0d.27f1bb89.34f95c94@aol.com>
	<E681E1E1-5BD3-4A19-9A77-8B9347829A0C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B3B86EB9-A53F-45D9-B5DD-0CF79920D4E6@major-k.de>

Hi Joe,

> Hi Joe,
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Considering I've been using Rev for about two years now, it's almost
>> embarrassing to ask this question.
>>
>> I have a field with three lines in it. I want to be able to edit  
>> any of those

sorry, completely overlooked "...ANY of those..."
In that case I would still use my handler but without checking for a  
special line.

>> lines individually without changing the others. I can't seem to  
>> figure out
>> what the field settings need to be to achieve this.
>
> No settings for this one, sorry.
>
> I would (and do) use a "mousedoubleup" handler that can check the  
> clicked line
> and then open an "ask Dialog" wehre the user can edit that line and  
> write it back
> to the field later...
>
> Example, presumes that only line 2 should be edited:
>
> on mousedoubleup
>  put the selectedtext of me into tSl
>  put the hilitedlines of me into tHl

## Check for editable line:
  ##if tHl <> 2 then
##   exit mousedoubleup
## end if

>  ask "Change this line:" with tSl
>  if it <> empty then
>    put it into line tHl of me
>  end if
> end mousedoubleup

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 29 08:24:03 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:24:03 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>
	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>

I seem to be similar to Malte...

>Who is using RunRev in a group development environment? (reply if you are)

Me, somewhat

>How many developers are on the team?

Up to 6

>Are the developers in the same office or are the team members spread over
>different regions or countries?

Same office


>How are you handling "master" stack updates to the server?

Doesn't really apply in our case - we just use SVN (or have I misunderstood
the question?)


>How do you handle "code" (.rev files) check-out and check-in?

SVN

>Bottom line, is RunRev a good tool to use in a production team environment?

Sub-optimal...

Like Malte, I've written an XML exporter for stacks (hmm, I bet a lot of
people have done this - perhaps we should all agree a common format?).
However, I've not attempted to write the corresponding importer; I use it
mainly for diffing, if I've got in a mess with two development branches.  It's
part of my emergency toolkit rather than part of my regular working process.

Our situation is simpler than Malte; we're not yet trying to work seriously
multi-developer on any of our more complicated multi-stack projects.  There is
a category of projects, where we have a complicated app which is customised
for each each client by a single plug-in stack with relevant code; and there
are a few simple one-stack projects.

The way we handle these is by an adaptation to a standard plugin that we use,
which extends the rev toolbar and carries various butttons.  Probably the
first button I put on this extra bar, some five?? years ago when I started
working with Rev in pre-1.0 beta (and found that it crashed a lot, and
sometimes corrupted the stack on disk) - was a button to save the current
stack, first backing up the previous version.

What we've done now is modify this so that as well as saving the stack, it
also saves an XML 'version' of it, in the same directory.  So if I'm working
on "fred.rev", hitting this button (and by now I'm conditioned to only use
this button for saving) saves "fred.rev", "fred.ts", and "(bups)/fred;123.rev"
(backups pile up, we only ever save the single .ts file).

The convention, which by now everyone pretty much does without thinking, is
that when you commit a stack into SVN, you commit the corresponding .ts file
at the same time.

This doesn't allow you to merge; but it does mean that we can easily do
compares in Eclipse etc between versions checked into SVN.  Depending on the
situation (eg if you've got lots of changes in one script) people sometimes
work their way to a dummy merge on the .ts file, then copy and paste this into
their stack.

(The file is called ".ts" because initially we were just doing it for these
plugin stacks, which are really just script carriers, so they just consisted
of transcript code.  In fact we've now generalised it a bit, so the file saved
by the save button has a simple XML format, and may include scripts and field
text.  The button looks for stack properties to tell it what to save, so for
some stacks the .ts file, just saves scripts; for others scripts and field
text; on a stack that doesn't have the property it just does save+backup as
normal, no .ts file.   We haven't used the full XML export, which does all the
properties of all the controls, which would I guess be the deluxe version.
We're also more code-focused than anything else; if we produced things of
beauty in Rev, we'd obviously be more interesed in tracking those elements.)

As mentioned, this is only doing a subset of the full XML export, and only on
single stacks, with perhaps half-a-dozen cards at worst; but the overhead
(the extra time to output the .ts file) compared with doing the normal 
save+backup is imperceptible.

With all that said - we still try to avoid both working on the same stack at
once, just because merging is a hassle.  But at least with SVN we're tracking
all the changes, can view history etc.

What I'd really like is an extension to SVN or to Eclipse (which happens to be
the interface to SVN that we use pretty much exclusively) that would
automatically, when a .rev file is committed, attach an XML export.  Or a
filter for Eclipse, so that attempting to edit/open/compare a .rev file,
generated an XML export on the fly and edited that.  But I haven't actually
wanted this enough to get off my backside and find out how possible that would be.

A possible better solution would be to create (in Rev, of course) a tool for
checking into SVN; which if you dragged a stack on to it, would generate not a
single XML file but a folder with many files and perhaps folders.  For some
setups you might want the tool to check everything into SVN; I think I'd
rather use this tool, then use Eclipse to do the check-in, so that it would
look at all the differences and allow me to deal with them individually.  That
way you could view the stack as a project, and see each script, card, substack
etc (er... tbd) as individual files, so that there could be individual
comments and change histories.

Ideally RunRev would create a mechanism to export and import a stack in this
way, so that you'd be guaranteed complete coverage.  But I think if I was
going to assemble a serious team for a substantial project in Rev, I'd give
some thought to doing something like this.  And of course if anyone else has
already done so, I'd be interested...

HTH,

- Ben





From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 29 08:27:51 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:27:51 +0000
Subject: JavaScript and RevBrowser/communicating with the browser instance
Message-ID: <47C80857.3090201@cogapp.com>

Has anyone done any work with communicating with a revBrowser instance - I'd 
imagine via JavaScript, but maybe I'm wrong.  Easy/possible/hard: rev -> 
browser, browser -> rev?

Any experience, suggestions, gotchas, tips etc gratefully received.

TIA,

- Ben



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Fri Feb 29 09:27:38 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:27:38 -0600
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
	<47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <47C8165A.4050509@crcom.net>

Is there any chance that one of you (or someone else) might release the 
XML exporter?  I'd like to make a "DIFFer"  for stacks.  I'd want to be 
able to export EVERYTHING (object properties, etc) in addition to 
scripts and then give the option to the user to display everything, just 
objects, just scripts, etc.

I understand that you cannot restore a stack exactly, because you can't 
set IDs, but I think you might be able to "fake" it by recreating the 
stack in the same order (so the ids would end up being the same).  Maybe 
that's more trouble than it's worth but I think it IS possible.

I think this would be a handy tool and I'd love to take a shot at it.

len morgan
> Like Malte, I've written an XML exporter for stacks (hmm, I bet a lot of
> people have done this - perhaps we should all agree a common format?).
> However, I've not attempted to write the corresponding importer; I use it
> mainly for diffing, if I've got in a mess with two development 
> branches.  It's
> part of my emergency toolkit rather than part of my regular working 
> process.
>



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 29 10:42:06 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:42:06 +0100
Subject: metal stacks as sheet
Message-ID: <A6CF008B-19D8-413A-B7EB-F460AB4346B6@major-k.de>

Hi all,

I just found something very strange on OS X 10.4.x

When you have a "metal" stack to open as sheet,
that metal stack goes BEHIND the calling stack!

No problems if the sheet is not "metal"lic.

Yes,I know that sheets should not be "metal" according to he Apple HIG,
but shouldn't happen anyway ;-)

Can someone check this, please, before I bugzilla it? Thanks!


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Feb 29 10:50:23 2008
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:50:23 -0800
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>
	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <5617FAAF-B83F-4C6A-AFEC-A10D652A78D0@cox.net>

Let's face it guys, anytime you have more than one "brain" working on  
anything, the process is problematic. Even such tools as Apple's MPW,  
developed specifically for team operations, was not easily groked by  
most (IMHO). To expect that it would be any different  with Rev is  
pretty much a pipe-dream. To even think about it, much less try to do  
it, may prove to be foolish what with all of the caveats.

Modularize the effort so as to have independent stacks or collections  
of stacks, bring the fully completed modules together at the end  
someway and then figure out how to divvy up the separate modules  
amongst the team members for implementation. Maybe that seems obvious,  
but it must be done at the very outset as a part of the  
conceptualization or you're doomed to fail. Just my 2 cents worth.  
(smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Feb 29, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> >Who is using RunRev in a group development environment? (reply if  
> you are)
>
> Me :)
>
> >How many developers are on the team?
>
> Up to 5
>
> >Are the developers in the same office or are the team members  
> spread over
> >different regions or countries?
>
> Most of the time same office, somtimes spread across regions
>
> >How are you handling "master" stack updates to the server?
>
> Very carefully. ;-)
>
> >How do you handle "code" (.rev files) check-out and check-in?
>
> SVN
>
> >Bottom line, is RunRev a good tool to use in a production team  
> environment?
>
> The file format is not really team friendly given its binary nature.  
> It boils down to that every team member is working on one module  
> (stack) at the time, which get loaded by a splash screen master  
> stack in the deployed version. If cards need to be in the same  
> stack, but different people are working on them, we either copy over  
> the cards, or ping ourselfs in an IM system. "Do you have xyz.rev in  
> use at the moment? Please check it in to SVN that I can do my bits"  
> And in a few cases this goes wrong. Given the binary nature of  
> stacks, SVN can not merge them, which is a pity. I wrote an XML  
> exporter for stacks, that can export a stack to XML and recreate the  
> stack afterwards. However, this has some difficulties, as there are  
> some properties, that can not be set by script (ID being one). So  
> one needs to design the stacks carefully (do not refer to controls  
> by ID) and I gave up on that approach.
>
> >I ask these questions at this time after spending almost 2 years  
> using and
> >learning RunRev on my spare time.
> >It is starting to appear to me that it's a viable tool to use to  
> develop
> >"off the shelf" software products.
>
> Good tool with up and downsides in team mode. It plays nicer with  
> one man show companies.
>
> >But with that in mind it's important to understand the questions  
> above, as
> >one day this may be the tool of choice.
>
> I hope my answers help a bit.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte







From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 29 10:59:11 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:59:11 +0100
Subject: metal stacks as sheet
In-Reply-To: <A6CF008B-19D8-413A-B7EB-F460AB4346B6@major-k.de>
References: <A6CF008B-19D8-413A-B7EB-F460AB4346B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <45815C35-912C-4CD9-9A6C-366A05C150CE@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

No probem here, on Tiger and Leopard, with two empty stacks.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 29 feb 2008, at 16:42, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just found something very strange on OS X 10.4.x
>
> When you have a "metal" stack to open as sheet,
> that metal stack goes BEHIND the calling stack!
>
> No problems if the sheet is not "metal"lic.
>
> Yes,I know that sheets should not be "metal" according to he Apple  
> HIG,
> but shouldn't happen anyway ;-)
>
> Can someone check this, please, before I bugzilla it? Thanks!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 29 11:37:38 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:37:38 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <5617FAAF-B83F-4C6A-AFEC-A10D652A78D0@cox.net>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
	<5617FAAF-B83F-4C6A-AFEC-A10D652A78D0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <47C834D2.3030604@cogapp.com>

On 29/2/08 15:50, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Let's face it guys, anytime you have more than one "brain" working on 
> anything, the process is problematic. Even such tools as Apple's MPW, 
> developed specifically for team operations, was not easily groked by 
> most (IMHO). To expect that it would be any different  with Rev is 
> pretty much a pipe-dream. To even think about it, much less try to do 
> it, may prove to be foolish what with all of the caveats.

I don't disagree, but it's much easier with some environments than others. 
The nature of Rev development makes it harder than eg .NET development, or 
typical LAMP development, or I guess a more direct comparison, Flex development.

We have many much larger and more complex projects in the studio here on which 
many people collaborate on the development, with much less hassle than is 
experienced when collaborating on the small number of relatively simple Rev 
projects.  Strict use of source of source code control and adherence to a 
simple set of conventions is enough to avoid any major issues with those 
development environments.

That just isn't the case with Rev, because of the fact that code is 
distributed in many places, interface elements are defined in object 
properties not in anything that is recognisable as 'code', and all these 
pieces of scripts and object properties are bound up together with assets in a 
single binary file with an opaque file structure.

I don't think that's a fault as such; it's the consequence of some of the same 
things about Rev that make it wonderful, and wonderfully productive, in other 
ways.

But it would be idle to pretend that there isn't a difference between 
development environments in this respect, and that Rev poses more difficulties 
than some others.  I don't think that's a reason not to use Rev; but there are 
tradeoffs, and it's one of the factors that I'd weigh in choosing the platform 
on which to develop a new project.

Given that, in many cases I will find the advantages of Rev more compelling 
that the disadvantages including that one; so it's worth considering what can 
be done to alleviate these difficulties.

- Ben



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 29 11:40:13 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:40:13 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <47C8165A.4050509@crcom.net>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>	<47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>
	<47C8165A.4050509@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <47C8356D.4050304@cogapp.com>

On 29/2/08 14:27, Len Morgan wrote:
> Is there any chance that one of you (or someone else) might release the 
> XML exporter?  I'd like to make a "DIFFer"  for stacks.  I'd want to be 
> able to export EVERYTHING (object properties, etc) in addition to 
> scripts and then give the option to the user to display everything, just 
> objects, just scripts, etc.
> 
> I understand that you cannot restore a stack exactly, because you can't 
> set IDs, but I think you might be able to "fake" it by recreating the 
> stack in the same order (so the ids would end up being the same).  Maybe 
> that's more trouble than it's worth but I think it IS possible.
> 
> I think this would be a handy tool and I'd love to take a shot at it.

You're welcome to take a copy of mine and mash it as you will.  It's literally 
a tool stack - no docs, impenetrable interface, probably shitey code - I've 
just built it once when I needed, extended it on another occasion when I 
needed a bit more, repeat, so it's just got an accreted collection of the 
features I've needed at some time or the other.

I say it generates XML, but it would be more accurate to say 'pseudo-XML' - 
it's probably well formed, but it's not valid, there's no use of CDATA or 
escaping on the content, so if a script includes "&" (er, many of mine do) 
that just appears in the 'xml', instantly rendering it invalid for a start.

I've only ever used it for diffing, not with any intention of archiving or 
recreating from the files.  Includes options for scripts, substacks, object 
native properties, user properties, rev properties, contents and styled contents.

(As an example of the fact that it has been aimed at diffing not 
reconstructing, it's smart enough to output elements belonging to groups only 
once, rather than on each card it encounters the group; but it doesn't mention 
whether a particular card includes a given group.)

So, if you'll accept it with no warranties, no apologies, and no explanations, 
  you're welcome to it.

- Ben



From steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Feb 29 12:03:05 2008
From: steve.taxcalc at hotmail.co.uk (Steve Checkley)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:03:05 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <20080229093816.D280B489C97@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20080229093816.D280B489C97@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-W2290255C6A784DD991CD9AAD140@phx.gbl>

** reposted because Hotmail didn't add line breaks to my message! **Hello all,Glad this question came up because the company I work for has beenmulling over Rev for development work. No decision has been made yet,but I've had to give this some serious thought as to how we'd go aboutthings if we did.We'd basically have three or four coders working on a project, and wewould have to split out into many stacks so each coder could work on abit each. Some stacks, therefore, would act as interface but would containvery little 'doing' code and other stacks would act as libraries that processbits of data, or provide support for interface elements such as a treeview. In this way, you could break a project down and give each developerspecific tasks and ownership of areas to work on.If there was one stack that contained more UI that any other, one developerwould have to be given responsibility over it and merge the others' efforts.This might mean that the other developers produce a stack with just that oneparticular card in it, which would then reduce the potential for mixing upversions of the stacks. If they're working on just one card but have themain stacks 'in use' at the time, there should be little chance of scriptsnot working when merged.You'd need to set a variable naming convention, to make sure that yourguys don't go mad and create their own globals for the same thing. Localsshould be named conventionally too, so it's easier to read code. The firststack that loads should set your 'world' variables, as I call them... onesthat determine look and feel, location of files and folders etc.Code should be well commented and explained so a second developer canfollow what's been done. In my own projects, I use two commentingstyles... one that explains what the handler does and ones that explain whatI'm doing as I go along. It's usually easier to read Rev's code than otherlanguages but sometimes it can get complicated, especially if abbreviationsor more advanced structures are used.Using groups of controls should make things easier to manage too. So ifyou've got a panel on your main stack and it gets updated, it should justbe a matter of deleting the group and replacing it with another.There are loads of reasons why Rev would work so well as a developmentplatform but it would require careful management of the project to ensure it all comes together. That said, I'm sure any development team is used tosome discipline and my gut feeling is that the speed with which an applicationcould be put together outweighs any additional time spent controlling it.What do others think? Wouldn't it be interesting if the list worked on a groupproject to find out how easy it is to produce something in this way?Cheers,Steve
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri Feb 29 12:15:25 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:15:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
References: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <15762903.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Malte,
First, thanx for your reply. I've put other questions or responses below...

>Most of the time same office, sometimes spread across regions -
So do the remote developers email the rev files to somebody who then copies
these new or updated rev files to the master location? I assume this is the
merge process.

>Bottom line, is RunRev a good tool to use in a production team environment?

>I wrote an XML exporter for stacks -
In the tool I currently use (eDeveloper), I can export any object in the
application to a text file: model, table definition, program, help, menu,
anything. In this file, besides all the other stuff, is what they call an
ISN - Internal Serial Number for each object. This is how they track
(internally) the relationship between each object. When I import that object
into another project, or even the same project on the master, it knows what
it belongs to, in the target project.
So if you have this exporter, can you create the importer to get back the
objects to their original state? That would be the key.
And if this cannot work, then Steve's concepts would align to how I'd
approach team development using RunRev.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri Feb 29 12:24:55 2008
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:24:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>
References: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
	<47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <15763352.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Ben,
Nice concept, if someone could build that in RunRev, a Team Development
system, quite possible if you know the structure of all the objects. The
SmartProperties plug-in that already exists, shows how the same object in
the original rev file could be compared to the just updated rev file.

==========================================================
Ben wrote:
A possible better solution would be to create (in Rev, of course) a tool for
checking into SVN; which if you dragged a stack on to it, would generate not
a
single XML file but a folder with many files and perhaps folders.  For some
setups you might want the tool to check everything into SVN; I think I'd
rather use this tool, then use Eclipse to do the check-in, so that it would
look at all the differences and allow me to deal with them individually. 
That
way you could view the stack as a project, and see each script, card,
substack
etc (er... tbd) as individual files, so that there could be individual
comments and change histories. 

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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Fri Feb 29 12:41:06 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:41:06 -0600
Subject: Button Timing Problem (I think)
Message-ID: <47C843B2.2070707@crcom.net>

I'm having a little trouble with a dialog box.  To be completely 
accurate, my users are having the problem.  I can't seem to reproduce it.

What I do is put up a dialog box (from a separate stack) which has the 
"next ID #" in a field.  This number comes from a sequence in the 
database (since there could be multiple users doing this at the same 
time).  When the OK button is checked I do the following:

1) See if the field has the same number as I put up. (They might want to 
change the number for various reasons.)
2) If they have selected a different number than the one the database 
had, I reset the database to put the "next ID #" back
3) At this point, I have the number they want to use.
4) I now check the database to see if we already have that number.  If 
we don't I do some housekeeping then add the inmate.
5) If I already DO have that number, I put up an error message and exit.

The problem I'm having is that sometimes the number gets doubled (i.e., 
two database records).  What I suspect is happening is that the button 
is being pressed again (or at least Rev interprets it that way), between 
the time I check to see if it's already there and actually inserting the 
record into the database.

All of that is to set up my questions:

1) Does a double click send a mouseDoubleUp AND a mouseUp message (for 
the first of the two clicks)?
2) Can I somehow disable the button fast enough to prevent a double click?

As I said, I can't seem to make this happen on my machine but my users 
seem to be quite good at it.  It also doesn't happen every time and 
seems to be isolated to one or two users.

Any thoughts?

len morgan


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Feb 29 12:42:01 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:42:01 -0800
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <15762903.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>
	<15762903.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <p06240818c3edef25985e@[192.168.1.70]>

It should be said that (almost?) every object in rev can be created 
by script. As an exercise I've written scripts that go through all 
objects in a stack and make up a list of statements that can later be 
executed and recreate everything, including custom properties and 
scripts. It gets a little crazy with groups inside groups, but it can 
be done.  Base64 is one's friend in this instance.

Would these scripts (all text) work in a code versioning environment?


>So if you have this exporter, can you create the importer to get back the
>objects to their original state? That would be the key.
>And if this cannot work, then Steve's concepts would align to how I'd
>approach team development using RunRev.

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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Fri Feb 29 12:49:07 2008
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:49:07 -0600
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <47C8356D.4050304@cogapp.com>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>	<47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>	<47C8165A.4050509@crcom.net>
	<47C8356D.4050304@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <47C84593.9000705@crcom.net>

I understand: NO GUARANTY, No help.  I accept the challenge.  Where can 
I locate the code so I can have my way with it?

len morgan

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> On 29/2/08 14:27, Len Morgan wrote:
>> Is there any chance that one of you (or someone else) might release 
>> the XML exporter?  I'd like to make a "DIFFer"  for stacks.  I'd want 
>> to be able to export EVERYTHING (object properties, etc) in addition 
>> to scripts and then give the option to the user to display 
>> everything, just objects, just scripts, etc.
>>
>> I understand that you cannot restore a stack exactly, because you 
>> can't set IDs, but I think you might be able to "fake" it by 
>> recreating the stack in the same order (so the ids would end up being 
>> the same).  Maybe that's more trouble than it's worth but I think it 
>> IS possible.
>>
>> I think this would be a handy tool and I'd love to take a shot at it.
>
> You're welcome to take a copy of mine and mash it as you will.  It's 
> literally a tool stack - no docs, impenetrable interface, probably 
> shitey code - I've just built it once when I needed, extended it on 
> another occasion when I needed a bit more, repeat, so it's just got an 
> accreted collection of the features I've needed at some time or the 
> other.
>
> I say it generates XML, but it would be more accurate to say 
> 'pseudo-XML' - it's probably well formed, but it's not valid, there's 
> no use of CDATA or escaping on the content, so if a script includes 
> "&" (er, many of mine do) that just appears in the 'xml', instantly 
> rendering it invalid for a start.
>
> I've only ever used it for diffing, not with any intention of 
> archiving or recreating from the files.  Includes options for scripts, 
> substacks, object native properties, user properties, rev properties, 
> contents and styled contents.
>
> (As an example of the fact that it has been aimed at diffing not 
> reconstructing, it's smart enough to output elements belonging to 
> groups only once, rather than on each card it encounters the group; 
> but it doesn't mention whether a particular card includes a given group.)
>
> So, if you'll accept it with no warranties, no apologies, and no 
> explanations,  you're welcome to it.
>
> - Ben
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 29 12:59:38 2008
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:59:38 +0100
Subject: metal stacks as sheet
In-Reply-To: <A6CF008B-19D8-413A-B7EB-F460AB4346B6@major-k.de>
References: <A6CF008B-19D8-413A-B7EB-F460AB4346B6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <680C068D-D41B-45E8-83FC-9ECC9B1219E1@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Hi all,
>
> I just found something very strange on OS X 10.4.x
>
> When you have a "metal" stack to open as sheet,
> that metal stack goes BEHIND the calling stack!
>
> No problems if the sheet is not "metal"lic.
>
> Yes,I know that sheets should not be "metal" according to he Apple  
> HIG,
> but shouldn't happen anyway ;-)
>
> Can someone check this, please, before I bugzilla it? Thanks!

further investigations show that this is even more complicated/stranger!

Background:
We are testing our big project in mixed environment Windows/OS X  
10.4/10.5
and to avoid the "metal" issues on 10.5 I added a frontscript with  
this line as a
workaround until 2.9 comes out:

on preopenstack
   ...
   ### zielstack = the stack to be opened...
   set the metal of stack zielstack to running_leopard() = false
   ## which is of course a function that returns TRUE on 10.5 :-)
   ...
end preopenstack

Now the strangeness:
SOME of the stacks that we call with "sheet XYZ" are already saved  
WITH metal
set to true, some without.

Now if we do:
sheet stack "stack saved without metal"
the stack "sheet"s metallic but BEHIND the calling stack!

No problems with stacks that have been saved with metal set to true!

Strange, isn' it?!!!! :-D

Now I have to try to create an example stack that I can add to bugzilla.


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 29 13:01:54 2008
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:01:54 +0100
Subject: Button Timing Problem (I think)
In-Reply-To: <47C843B2.2070707@crcom.net>
References: <47C843B2.2070707@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <F6880E10-71A0-47A4-AEBB-391803AE7CCD@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Len,

1) Unfortunately, yes. So, I try to avoid this entirely.

2) I am not sure what your script looks like. First of all, I'd say  
don't make a button respond to mouseDoubleUp if it may also respond to  
mouseUp. If you are running a mouseDoubleUp script and want to make  
sure that mouseUp doesn't run, you can use the flushEvents function at  
the end of the mouseDoubleUp handler.

I understand your button is on a dialog. So, what about this.

-- button "Okay"
local lHaveBeenClicked -- that's an L not an i

on mouseUp
   if lHaveBeenClicked is not true then
     put true into lHaveBeenClicked
     -- run script
   end if
end mouseUp

setprop hasBeenClicked theBool
   put theBool into lHaveBeenClicked
end hasBeenClicked

Now in the stack script of your dialog:

on closeStack
   set the hasBeenClicked of btn "Okay" to false
end closeStack

Something like this might work.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 29 feb 2008, at 18:41, Len Morgan wrote:

>
>
> 1) Does a double click send a mouseDoubleUp AND a mouseUp message  
> (for the first of the two clicks)?
> 2) Can I somehow disable the button fast enough to prevent a double  
> click?



From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Fri Feb 29 13:04:43 2008
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (GIRARD Damien)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:04:43 +0100
Subject: Problems with UTF8
Message-ID: <47C8493B.3080509@laposte.net>

Hi all,

I want to store texts in UTF8.
But, I have a problem, when I do that function: 
unidecode(uniencode("e???e"),UTF8), all accented characters diseapear.
If I let them as UTF16, this work, accented characters are returned.

It is a Runrev bug ? or maybe I did something wrong ?

Regards,

Damien


From dpierce at xpertassist.com  Fri Feb 29 14:10:41 2008
From: dpierce at xpertassist.com (dcpbarrington)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:10:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <47C744E8.7090307@crcom.net>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com> <47C744E8.7090307@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <15765453.post@talk.nabble.com>


Len,  I cannot get your SQL to work on SQLite. Here is my code.

put "SELECT PersonID from Person " into tSQL
put "WHERE tolower( Person.PersonID) = " & tolower(theEnteredLastName) & "'"
after tsQL
put revdb_querylist(,,qLocID, tSQL) into the ID

the Database parser reject the tolower() function, so I tried to use the
ILIKE notation instead of the tolower function and got the same generic
DATABASE ERROR message.  I would like to instruct the database to not be
case sensative on the text match.
Any recommendations?


Len Morgan wrote:
> 
> Is there a reason why you have to capitalize the first letter?  I have a 
> similar feature in my software and I use something like:
> 
> SELECT * FROM people WHERE last_name ILIKE "smith"
> That does a case insensitive search.
> 
> You could also use:
> 
> SELECT * FROM people WHERE tolower(last_name) = tolower('smith')
> 
> or you could try:
> 
> SELECT * FROM people WHERE last_name in ('Smith','SMITH','smith')
> 
> 
> This assumes that you are using "standard" SQL (which your example is 
> not).  Just a little "added" feature of my first example is you could use:
> 
> ...WHERE last_name ILIKE 'smith%'  and get anyone who's name BEGINS with 
> 'smith' (for example Smithe, Smithy...)
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> len morgan
> 
>> Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same case
>> as
>> has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the user
>> enters
>> "smith" in the select box, the record is not found.
>>
>> I want to do the database select with different text formats to make sure
>> that the record is found.
>> SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"
>>
>> I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
>> function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.
>>   
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Feb 29 14:40:02 2008
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:40:02 -0800
Subject: RunRev lack of rs232 Com Ports !
In-Reply-To: <20080229094818.QVU0M.970262.root@web09-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20080229094818.QVU0M.970262.root@web09-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <47C85F92.3000502@pdslabs.net>

Hi Camm,

Here's hoping! If you get it working via the shell() function, I (and 
maybe others) would be interested in seeing the line commands or script 
required to do that.

Thanks -
Phil


camm29 at tesco.net wrote:
> Phil ,
>
> That's looks like a good option !
>
> I'll see if i can make it work.
>
> Regards
>
>
> ---- Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote: 
>   
>> Camm29 wrote:
>>     
>>> Now days people have so many allocated ports in use !
>>>
>>> Virtual Com Ports for usb and bluetooth etc , etc
>>>
>>> I have 100's of requests for users to be able to select Com port 10 and
>>> above.
>>>
>>> So its not that we need to use 10's of RS232 Physical ports but need to
>>> allocate
>>> more than revs out dated 1 to 9.
>>>       
>> Is there a way to do it with shell() ? If you can do it from a command 
>> line, you can probably do it with Rev's shell() function. When I need to 
>> go beyond Rev's native capabilities, that's often what I use.
>>
>> WARNING: I don't know much about COM port management.

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 29 14:56:46 2008
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:56:46 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <47C84593.9000705@crcom.net>
References: <20080229011527.9B8E54897FC@mail.runrev.com>	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>	<47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>	<47C8165A.4050509@crcom.net>	<47C8356D.4050304@cogapp.com>
	<47C84593.9000705@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <47C8637E.6020700@cogapp.com>

On 29/2/08 17:49, Len Morgan wrote:
> I understand: NO GUARANTY, No help.  I accept the challenge.  Where can 
> I locate the code so I can have my way with it?

I'll email it off list.

- Ben



From dpierce at xpertassist.com  Fri Feb 29 15:01:00 2008
From: dpierce at xpertassist.com (dcpbarrington)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:01:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Change Case of first character of text string
In-Reply-To: <15765453.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15748287.post@talk.nabble.com> <47C744E8.7090307@crcom.net>
	<15765453.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <15766436.post@talk.nabble.com>


FOUND THE ISSUE,

in SQLite, it wants you to use the LIKE command instead of the ILIKE.

put "WHERE Person.PersonID LIKE '" & theEnteredLastName & "'" after tSQL

made the change and it worked as expected.


dcpbarrington wrote:
> 
> Len,  I cannot get your SQL to work on SQLite. Here is my code.
> 
> put "SELECT PersonID from Person " into tSQL
> put "WHERE tolower( Person.PersonID) = " & tolower(theEnteredLastName) &
> "'" after tsQL
> put revdb_querylist(,,qLocID, tSQL) into the ID
> 
> the Database parser reject the tolower() function, so I tried to use the
> ILIKE notation instead of the tolower function and got the same generic
> DATABASE ERROR message.  I would like to instruct the database to not be
> case sensative on the text match.
> Any recommendations?
> 
> 
> Len Morgan wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a reason why you have to capitalize the first letter?  I have a 
>> similar feature in my software and I use something like:
>> 
>> SELECT * FROM people WHERE last_name ILIKE "smith"
>> That does a case insensitive search.
>> 
>> You could also use:
>> 
>> SELECT * FROM people WHERE tolower(last_name) = tolower('smith')
>> 
>> or you could try:
>> 
>> SELECT * FROM people WHERE last_name in ('Smith','SMITH','smith')
>> 
>> 
>> This assumes that you are using "standard" SQL (which your example is 
>> not).  Just a little "added" feature of my first example is you could
>> use:
>> 
>> ...WHERE last_name ILIKE 'smith%'  and get anyone who's name BEGINS with 
>> 'smith' (for example Smithe, Smithy...)
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> len morgan
>> 
>>> Works great as long as the user enters the text string in the same case
>>> as
>>> has been entered in the database.  "Smith" = "Smith", but if the user
>>> enters
>>> "smith" in the select box, the record is not found.
>>>
>>> I want to do the database select with different text formats to make
>>> sure
>>> that the record is found.
>>> SELECT on "Smith", "smith", "SMITH"
>>>
>>> I found the toupper() and tolower() functions, but how do you get the
>>> function to change only the first letter toupper in a string?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the help.  This cannot be that hard.
>>>   
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>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Feb 29 15:19:37 2008
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:19:37 -0800
Subject: Reminder: objects cannot be copied when stack is
	password-protected!!! Even in a standalone. Grrrrrr....
In-Reply-To: <47C622A7.7030408@fourthworld.com>
References: <47C622A7.7030408@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7ADC58A0-DE19-453D-A733-95C6FFDBD266@dvcreators.net>

Ah, that makes sense.


On Feb 27, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Josh Mellicker wrote:
>> It took me by surprise, because I did not expect password- 
>> protecting a  stack to change any functionality.
>> It seems counter-intuitive (though it is in the docs)
>
> I thought so to, at first.  But then it occurred to me:  if my  
> protected stack could have its objects copied out of it, then any  
> object with code in it could be copied into another non-protected  
> stack so it could be read/borrowed/stolen/used to crack my license  
> scheme.
>
> -- 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 15:20:46 2008
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:20:46 +1000
Subject: Button Timing Problem (I think)
In-Reply-To: <47C843B2.2070707@crcom.net>
References: <47C843B2.2070707@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860802291220r437e4720y2577e9ee08a58c9d@mail.gmail.com>

>  The problem I'm having is that sometimes the number gets doubled (i.e.,
>  two database records).  What I suspect is happening is that the button
>  is being pressed again (or at least Rev interprets it that way), between
>  the time I check to see if it's already there and actually inserting the
>  record into the database.

When I have a button that MUST not be clicked twice, because it has
already started some processing, then I just disable it in the first
line of it's script. Then re-enable it at the end of the script or any
place where you might exit the script.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Feb 29 15:25:03 2008
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:25:03 -0500
Subject: Problems with UTF8
In-Reply-To: <47C8493B.3080509@laposte.net>
References: <47C8493B.3080509@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <EB8E36EF-F789-415E-8EB1-CD9EE3A305C2@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:04 PM, GIRARD Damien wrote:

> I want to store texts in UTF8.
> But, I have a problem, when I do that function:  
> unidecode(uniencode("e???e"),UTF8), all accented characters diseapear.
> If I let them as UTF16, this work, accented characters are returned.
>
> It is a Runrev bug ? or maybe I did something wrong ?

Hi Damien,

Are you sure the accented characters are disappearing or do they just  
appear as junk in the rev message box (or field)? I ask because once  
you encode to UTF8 you can't necessarily display the text in Rev  
accurately. What happens if you first encode the text as UTF8 and then  
decode to UTF16 and assign it to the unicodeText property of a field?

put unidecode(uniencode("e???e"),UTF8) into theUTF8Text
set the unicodeText of field 1 to uniencode(theUTF8Text, "UTF8")

Do the characters look right then?

Regards,

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From michael at mdizz.com  Fri Feb 29 20:00:00 2008
From: michael at mdizz.com (michael at mdizz.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:00:00 -0600
Subject: Anyone ever print to a Zerbra label printer?
References: <8CA48BB4878A652-1564-36F4@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801c87b37$942bb810$4301a8c0@upthe>

Rob
may help ..
Looking on zebra's site there is a case study on handheld web enable 
computers printing to some zebra's models, a start.
Also zebra has wireless print servers that support raw printer port 9100.

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Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:24 AM
Subject: Anyone ever print to a Zerbra label printer?


> Can anyone tell me if they've ever succeeded in getting Revolution to 
> print to?a Zebra label printer?? In particular, an LP 2844-Z?
>
> Second question:? Anyone know if it's possible to print a barcode label on 
> such a printer from a web-browser?
>
>>From what I'm reading the drivers for these printers are a nightmare.
>
> I'm on a Mac, so that may or may not make things better.
>
> - Rob
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb 29 20:11:20 2008
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:11:20 -0800
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
References: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com><79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de><15762903.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<p06240818c3edef25985e@[192.168.1.70]>
Message-ID: <fqaafq$6es$1@ger.gmane.org>

"Stephen-

> It should be said that (almost?) every object in rev can be created by 
> script. As an exercise I've written scripts that go through all objects in 
> a stack and make up a list of statements that can later be executed and 
> recreate everything, including custom properties and scripts. It gets a 
> little crazy with groups inside groups, but it can be done.  Base64 is 
> one's friend in this instance.
>
> Would these scripts (all text) work in a code versioning environment?


Almost. I can deconstruct and reconstruct objects and entire stacks, but ids 
are the Achilles heel here. For some reason object ids are set in stone at 
creation time. This works out ok in most cases, but if you have code that 
references objects by id then the recreation approach won't work because the 
rebuilt objects will almost certainly have different ids from the original 
objects.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Feb 29 20:33:40 2008
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:33:40 -0800
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <fqaafq$6es$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com><79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbr
	ill.de><15762903.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<p06240818c3edef25985e@[192.168.1.70]> <fqaafq$6es$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06240802c3ee629ba835@[192.168.1.70]>

pehaps a good reason to use the altID property or use unique names!!

>Almost. I can deconstruct and reconstruct objects and entire stacks, but ids
>are the Achilles heel here. For some reason object ids are set in stone at
>creation time. This works out ok in most cases, but if you have code that
>references objects by id then the recreation approach won't work because the
>rebuilt objects will almost certainly have different ids from the original
>objects.
>
>--
>  Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net


-- 


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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From shari at gypsyware.com  Fri Feb 29 21:31:15 2008
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:31:15 -0500
Subject: Vista echo?
Message-ID: <a06020401c3ee6f8e22b0@[192.168.2.38]>

When Vista makes it's hidden little backups of our files and stashes 
them away, is it possible that when a user quits the standalone, 
Vista keeps one of those hidden files open that doesn't show up in 
the Tasks window?

So that the program doesn't fully quit?

Is it possible?

And if so, is there a way to keep Vista from using those backup files 
to override the user quitting and so forth?

Shari
-- 
WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games
BIackjack GoId
http://www.gypsyware.com


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Feb 29 21:44:27 2008
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:44:27 +0000
Subject: Team Development using Run Rev
In-Reply-To: <15763352.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15752758.post@talk.nabble.com>	<79FD20E3-440F-463D-8A1B-E60DF6CCF08B@derbrill.de>	<47C80773.1000009@cogapp.com>
	<15763352.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <47C8C30B.1090807@anachreon.co.uk>

I'm wondering what they use at RunRev HQ.

Cheers,

Luis.



mfstuart wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> Nice concept, if someone could build that in RunRev, a Team Development
> system, quite possible if you know the structure of all the objects. The
> SmartProperties plug-in that already exists, shows how the same object in
> the original rev file could be compared to the just updated rev file.
> 
> ==========================================================
> Ben wrote:
> A possible better solution would be to create (in Rev, of course) a tool for
> checking into SVN; which if you dragged a stack on to it, would generate not
> a
> single XML file but a folder with many files and perhaps folders.  For some
> setups you might want the tool to check everything into SVN; I think I'd
> rather use this tool, then use Eclipse to do the check-in, so that it would
> look at all the differences and allow me to deal with them individually. 
> That
> way you could view the stack as a project, and see each script, card,
> substack
> etc (er... tbd) as individual files, so that there could be individual
> comments and change histories. 
> 
> Mark Stuart


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Feb  1 16:11:42 2008
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:11:42 -0000
Subject: revBrowser
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0802010916i793813a6i94ad4c08bb8eeaac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DECAAA1D-F6A4-4189-9988-8B81FD60CBE0@mac.com>

David,

That page loads fine in my revBrowser app.I also tried my own iGoogle  
page.  But i have noticed a few buggy crashes during development. The  
thing for me was that I MAY not have taken care of all closeRevBRowser  
calls during the development process.

I believe if the Safari or EI browser is upgraded than this would  
effect the Rev browser.


HTH

Tom

Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:16 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Having some problems with revBrowser - I get a repeated crash using  
> the
> "Browser Sampler.rev" stack - or the stacks I am coding. I get it when
> viewing my Google Home page - that's not the search engine but the
> personalised home page with the widgets in.... I am not sure which  
> url to
> give as it sues my loin credentials to display my personalised page  
> - can
> someone check "http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en" in revBrowser on  
> other
> platforms / systems?
>
> In general I'd like to know what the stability issues are for the  
> embedded
> browser. Any one know how it works - that is I know it uses the  
> relevant web
> kits on windows and macOS - but are these embedded in the external -  
> or as I
> suspect part of the operating system that the external interfaces  
> with - in
> other words if the operating system is upgraded - are features  
> added / fixes
> made that would effect revBrowser - or is it all part of the external.
>



Thomas McGrath III
3mcgrath at comcast.net

Mac OS10.5.1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM





From bjb007 at tpg.com.au  Tue Feb  5 13:54:45 2008
From: bjb007 at tpg.com.au (Ross Giddings)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:45 -0000
Subject: Database Encryption
Message-ID: <47A8B0F0.7020200@tpg.com.au>

A simple way to prevent unauthorized
access to a database is to encrypt
the relevant part of the file header
so that it's not recognized as a db
outside your programme.

Decrypt the header programmatically
inside your app and encrypt it on
closing.





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Feb  6 10:25:01 2008
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:25:01 -0000
Subject: Repeat statement
In-Reply-To: <47A92259.7040604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ED8697DC-09A1-43B4-A27D-2B92759705E6@comcast.net>
	<47A92259.7040604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <314D5F04-1A6B-4EDD-88BB-0E34A5FB5D5A@mac.com>

That sure is short... and will work for what I was doing too. Thanks.

I am still trying to remember how repeat for each worked with  
deleting blank lines. ???


Thanks again

Tom

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> OK, Here's an easy one that I can't remember for the life of me.
>> What is the best repeat to delete blank lines in a list?
>
> The best repeat is a one-liner. :)
>
>   filter tList without empty



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Feb  6 10:25:06 2008
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:25:06 -0000
Subject: Repeat statement
In-Reply-To: <47A92259.7040604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ED8697DC-09A1-43B4-A27D-2B92759705E6@comcast.net>
	<47A92259.7040604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <27A12FC4-3519-4EEA-8D28-EE8BA053D424@mac.com>

That sure is short... and will work for what I was doing too. Thanks.

I am still trying to remember how repeat for each worked with  
deleting blank lines. ???


Thanks again

Tom

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> OK, Here's an easy one that I can't remember for the life of me.
>> What is the best repeat to delete blank lines in a list?
>
> The best repeat is a one-liner. :)
>
>   filter tList without empty



From info at drivinginstructorspa.co.uk  Sat Feb  9 04:49:48 2008
From: info at drivinginstructorspa.co.uk (John Stone)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:49:48 -0000
Subject: Arrays and Recursion: Scrabble with Revolution
Message-ID: <15370112.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi, I just downloaded the scrabble stack from the rev news letter
and on running it I got the message 

     	executing at 9:42:52 AM
Type	Function: error in function handler
Object	card id 1002
Line	return permuteSequence(pAvailableLetters)
Hint	permuteSequence

so i made the function permuteSequence 'non' private then it works fine, 
don't know why this is as I have lots to learn, any help on why this fixes
the prob will be appreciated
Thanks for this stack, I am certainly going to learn lots from it
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From jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 12 10:34:06 2008
From: jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr (delorme)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:34:06 -0000
Subject: Make a cheap web server with simple no-CGI read write on port 80
Message-ID: <15434481.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi from France!

The idea of this cheap html server came from "chat server" demo stack.
I tried, it works quite fine.
Next is a sum-up:

On Openstack
.  accept connections on port 80 with message GotAConnection

on GotAConnection aSocket
.  read from socket aSocket for 1 line
.  analyze received line (GET or POST)
.  read from socket aSocket with message GotNextLines

on GotNextLines aSocket , ReceivedLines
.  Analyze ReceivedLines
.  Do any processing you want with the user request
.  Make TheHtmlAnswer from pre-made file + replaced text (wanted GET file ou
POST answer)
.  write TheHtmlAnswer to socket 

Any distant web browser then gets the requested .html files (as forms with
submit buttons), or POST anwsers after button clicks (submits) in previous
sent forms.

Is'nt life easy?
The only limit is that only html text is replied (no image) because no
Apache server is used.
Also have to record socket connections context in a gSocketConnectionsTable
because many connections are available (which .htm file must be sent back
when GotNextLines?).
Thank you for your feedback and own return on experience about making a web
server from Revolution.

Jean-Marc
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From jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 12 10:41:03 2008
From: jm.delorme at wanadoo.fr (delorme)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:41:03 -0000
Subject: Make a cheap web server with simple no-CGI read write on port 80
In-Reply-To: <15434481.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15434481.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <15434490.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hope it is more readable
___________________

Hi from France!

The idea of this cheap html server came from "chat server" demo stack.
I tried, it works quite fine.
Next is a sum-up:

On Openstack
.  accept connections on port 80 with message GotAConnection

on GotAConnection aSocket
.  read from socket aSocket for 1 line
.  analyze received line (GET or POST)
.  read from socket aSocket with message GotNextLines

on GotNextLines aSocket , ReceivedLines
.  Analyze ReceivedLines
.  Do any processing you want with the user request
.  Make TheHtmlAnswer from pre-made file + replaced text (wanted GET file ou
POST answer)
.  write TheHtmlAnswer to socket 

Any distant web browser then gets the requested .html files (as forms with
submit buttons), or POST anwsers after button clicks (submits) in previous
sent forms.

Is'nt life easy?
The only limit is that only html text is replied (no image) because no
Apache server is used.
Also have to record socket connections context in a gSocketConnectionsTable
because many connections are available (which .htm file must be sent back
when GotNextLines?).
Thank you for your feedback and own return on experience about making a web
server from Revolution.

Jean-Marc
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From webadmin at hindu.org  Tue Feb 19 15:48:12 2008
From: webadmin at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:48:12 -0000
Subject: Split is Behaves Unexpectedly?
In-Reply-To: <40D91A8A-EEA0-4930-8F7D-01883A2BC7C5@maseurope.net>
References: <47B9D1BE.3050303@hindu.org>	<7aa52a210802181359i4aefd511ub3ae904a05de060a@mail.gmail.com>	<47BA1E9A.2070803@hindu.org>
	<47BA3370.2040604@hindu.org>	<2e0cf4750802181815n428aad75n99f503ad4de4f616@mail.gmail.com>	<37629A25-3DAF-4C9D-A149-8FDD03505594@mac.com>
	<40D91A8A-EEA0-4930-8F7D-01883A2BC7C5@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <47BB408B.8010002@hindu.org>

Mark Smith wrote:
> However, the solution is very simple:
>
> repeat for each line tLine in tList
>   put tLine into tempLine
>   <doSomething to tempLine>
>  end repeat   
>
Excellent! I knew it was something simple... split is too important to 
be broken.  And I can understand the contraints (if you think of it from 
a binary point of view.. pointers and all...)

Thanks Mark...

>
> On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:37, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>
>> Yes this is completely counter intuitive, and completely stupidly 
>> broken from a user perspective:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3036
>>
>> On 19 Feb 2008, at 03:15, chris bohnert wrote:
>>
>>> from the docs on repeat foreach:
>>>
>>>  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement 
>>> inside the
>>> loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the content 
>>> of the
>>> container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> cb
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2008 7:40 PM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> go stack url
>>>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/stacks/TestSplitData.rev"
>>>>
>>>> turns out it is skipping every other line in the input data.
>>>>
>>>>
>



From bdnabble at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Fri Feb 22 03:02:46 2008
From: bdnabble at knowledgeworks.plus.com (bjdevlin)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:02:46 -0000
Subject: UI performance and large data set in Table Object
In-Reply-To: <15626387.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <15618647.post@talk.nabble.com> <47BE2045.1090205@fourthworld.com>
	<15626387.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <15629164.post@talk.nabble.com>


To be frank, Rev's native table object leaves an awful lot to be desired. 
Quite a few people on this list ended up writing their own table object
instead.  I wrote one with resizable columns and column-click sorting that
was based on a normal scrolling field.  It was lightening fast with
thousands of rows.  

Chipp has made his table control publicly available:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRevArchived/Archives.htm and look for
'altFldHeader Control'.  It may well turn out that this serves your needs
better than Rev's table object.

Bernard


mfstuart wrote:
> 
> I also tried the Scrolling Field and compared it to the Table Field, using
> 20,844 lines - big difference, where the Scrolling Field won in it's
> performance of no degradation of stack resize.
> But I've never used this object before, because I lose the formatting of
> columnar presentation.
> 
> If I use this object, is there a way to set it to columnar appearance?
> And isn't it when you check the table property for this object, it changes
> everything back to a Table Field?
> 

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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Feb 28 17:37:39 2008
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:37:39 +0000
Subject: More Socket Problems.........
In-Reply-To: <7DFAEF8C-83D8-4154-81B1-F59677D144BB@looktowindward.com>
References: <7DFAEF8C-83D8-4154-81B1-F59677D144BB@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47C737B3.9060009@tweedly.net>

Dave wrote:
> Opps!
>
> Just realized that the IP Addresses are wrong in the example, in the 
> real app it's ok. I forgot that my router munges the the LAN IP 
> Addresses, so where I've put 192.168.1.101, read 192.168.1.87 and 
> where 192.168.1.102 read 192.168.1.105.
>
> Another question is:
>
> Why do I get a read error and not a write error:
>
> socketError: 192.168.1.87:6000|looktowindward Error 54 reading socket
>
> I'm not reading on the Client, I'm trying to try data.
>
You don't get a read error. You get a socket error (-- Connection reset 
by peer. This occurs when an established connection is shut down for 
some reason by the remote computer.) which the error string misleadingly 
indicates was a read error. This probably comes from your system (which 
OS etc. are you using ?), and is merely passed along by Rev.

It probably does happen when you try to write to the socket after it has 
been closed.

I'd recommend adding a 'socketClosed' handler and see if that helps ...

>
> Questions:
>
> Why do I sometimes not get a socketError or a socketTimeout ?
>
> Why does it sometimes repeat (as it should) for a few times and then 
> stop?
>
Don't know :-(  but try adding the socketClosed handler and see if that 
helps. I have also asked some questions / made some suggestions below.
If it doesn't, resend this log
> Here is the code:
>
> The mouseUp handler are in the main stack of the app and the
>
>
> The following is including in the App using the "start using" command:
>
>
> --  StartServer
>
> function StartServer theServerPortNumber,theClientAllowList
>
>   get DebugLogString("StartServer - Accept:" && theServerPortNumber)
>
>   put theClientAllowList into sgServerClientAllowList
>   accept connections on theServerPortNumber with message 
> "ServerContactedByClient"
>
>   return empty
> end StartServer
>
>
> --  ServerContactedByClient
>
> on ServerContactedByClient theIPAddress
>   local myClientIPAddress
>   local myResult
>
>   put the result into myResult
>
what do you expect 'the result' to contain at this point ?
>   get DebugLogString("ServerContactedByClient:" && theIPAddress && 
> myResult)
>
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     breakpoint
>     exit ServerContactedByClient
>   end if
>
>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>   put item 1 of theIPAddress into myClientIPAddress
>
>   if myClientIPAddress is not among the lines of 
> sgServerClientAllowList then
>     get DebugLogString("ServerContactedByClient, Bad Client:" && 
> theIPAddress)
>     close socket theIPAddress
I'd recommend a 'exit ServerContactedByClient" at this point - otherwise 
you are about to read from a socket you just closed.
>   end if
>
>   read from socket theIPAddress for kPacketCountSize chars with 
> message "ServerReceivedPacketSize"
>
> end ServerContactedByClient
>
>
>
> --  ServerReceivedPacketSize
>
> on ServerReceivedPacketSize theIPAddress,thePacketSize
>   local myResult
>   local myPacketData
>   local myPacketID
>   local myPacketCommand
>   local myConnectionID
>
>   put the result into myResult
>
again, what do you expect in 'the result' here ?
>   get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize:" && theIPAddress && 
> thePacketSize && myResult)
>
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Error:" && myResult)
>     breakpoint
>   end if
>
>   read from socket theIPAddress for thePacketSize chars
>   put the result into myResult
>   put it into myPacketData
>
Note this is a blocking read. That will normally work OK (since the 
client sends the packet size followed by the data), but it is not 
robust. If the client was forced to split the data into different 
packets (e.g. if the data was relatively large), and the subsequent 
packet was lost in the network (i.e needed to be NAK'ed and then 
retransmitted), then this could cause your handler to block for an 
arbitrarily long period - up to the timeout interval.

It's up to you, but I would NEVER do a blocking read - I'd simply do

   read from socket theIPAddress for thePacketSize chars with message 
"ServerReceivedPacketData"

and put most of the following code into that new handler (finishing, of 
course with another "read from ... ServerReceivedPacketSize")
>   get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Packet Data:" && 
> myPacketData && myResult)
>
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     get DebugLogString("ServerReceivedPacketSize, Error:" && myResult)
>     breakpoint
>   end if
>
>   --
>   --  Get the Message Content
>   --
>   put item 1 of myPacketData into myPacketID
>   put item 2 of myPacketData into myPacketCommand
>
>   if myPacketID = "$SYS" then
>     if myPacketCommand = "Connect" then
>       put item 3 of myPacketData into myConnectionID
>
>      end if
>
>   end if
>
> end ServerReceivedPacketSize
>
>
> --  StartClient
>
> function StartClient theServerList,theConnectionID
>
>   set the socketTimeoutInterval to (2 * 1000)
>   put theServerList into sgConnectToServerList
>   repeat for each line myIPAddress in sgConnectToServerList
>     send "StartOneClient myIPAddress,theConnectionID" to me in 0 seconds
>   end repeat
>
>   return empty
> end StartClient
>
I notice that StartOneClient really only does 'open socket' (which is 
non-blocking, since you specify a callback handler) and therefore is 
very quick, so unless you expect very large lists of servers, you could 
simplify this and not bother with the send message, just call the 
handler directly. No problem doing it the way you have done - just want 
to point out the non-blocking (and hence speedy) nature of "open socket".
>
>
> --  StartOneClient
>
> on StartOneClient theIPAddress,theConnectionID
>   local myServerIPAddress
>   local myServerPortNumber
>   local mySocketAddress
>   local myConnectString
>   local myPacketSize
>   local myResult
>
>   put 
> _DecodeIPAddress(theIPAddress,myServerIPAddress,myServerPortNumber) 
> into myResult
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - IP Address Error:" && 
> theIPAddress && myResult)
>     breakpoint
>     exit StartOneClient
>   end if
>
>    put myServerIPAddress & ":" & myServerPortNumber & "|" & 
> theConnectionID into mySocketAddress
>
>   get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - Connect:" && mySocketAddress && 
> myResult)
>
>   open socket mySocketAddress with message "ClientSocketOpen"
>   put the result into myResult
I don't believe 'the result' has anything useful here, since you 
specified a callback handler.
>   if myResult <> empty then
>     get DebugLogString("StartOneClient - Write Socket Count Error:" && 
> mySocketAddress && myPacketSize && myResult)
>     breakpoint
>     exit StartOneClient
>   end if
>
> end StartOneClient


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