From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Sep  1 01:38:27 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:38:27 -0700
Subject: is "drawer" broken in Rev 2.8.1?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10708311233r1a157849neaa5ba05098b1ad4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10708310920u34c34898m69ae5565bdf6e623@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA9D50B9-7B5D-4393-A5CF-F8F0D748C605@elementarysoftware.com>
	<7c87a2a10708311233r1a157849neaa5ba05098b1ad4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1398F47-13D8-4782-9C11-5BDDD28E9D11@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Andre,
I retested to be sure that I was calling the drawer from the main  
stack but still no luck in OSX below 10.4

I notice you used the form

> drawer stack "Attribute editor" at right of stack "HTML Editor"

I have found that the word "of" is not reliable and that "in" (drawer  
stack "Attribute editor" at right in stack "HTML Editor") works best.
-Scott

On Aug 31, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Scott,
> I don't know if this problem and the one I was experiencing is  
> indeed the
> same but I managed to make my drawers stick to their stack.
>
> I found that it is all related to who issued the drawer command in  
> the first
> place. My drawer call was on the drawer stack itself, it was  
> something like:
>
> drawer stack "Attribute editor" at right of stack "HTML Editor"
>
> which caused all kinds of trouble. If I moved that call to the  
> mainstack
> where the drawer should attach itself, in this case, the stack "HTML
> Editor", then everything worked as expected.
>
> So, I guess the stack you want to be the parent stack, must be the one
> calling the drawer command, even if you use the parentStack option  
> on the
> call...
>
> don't know, anyway, it is working, care to try if this solves your  
> problem
> too?
>
> I am on intel mac running Mac OS X 10.4.10
>
> andre
>
> Andre
>
> On 8/31/07, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bug 4738 describes this condition.  It appears only to  effect OSX
>> 3.x and below... so testing on an Intel Mac won't show this (unless
>> it is something to do with your code  :  )  I would invite people to
>> vote for this bug.  While drawers were never perfect they did have
>> some basic reliable functionality in 2.6.1 which is now gone with the
>> later versions of Rev. if users have OSX 10.3 or less.
>>
>> Andre, if you found a way to make the drawer stay attached, I would
>> be interested to hear how.
>>
>> -Scott Morrow
>>
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
>> web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email   scott at elementarysoftware.com
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends,
>>> is "drawer" broken on 2.8.1 release? When I move the parent stack,
>>> it loses
>>> the drawer stack... it becomes a floating round thingy....
>>>
>>> Any clue?
>>>
>>> andre
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sat Sep  1 07:12:21 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:12:21 EDT
Subject: [ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.2.13 Update 
Message-ID: <bfe.1e82e348.340aa315@aol.com>

www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk
or  www.ssBk.co.uk


UPDATE AVAILABLE
Thanks to continued feedback and  the support of Scrapbook users, an update 
is now available. For full release  notes see 
http://www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk/ReadMe.html.


THE  SCRIPTER'S SCRAPBOOK v5.2.13
Update released 1-SEP-2007

This version  is a substantial and recommended update that resolves all known 
bugs, implements  all feature requests from Users, and addresses the visual 
presentation for  further cross platform compatibility. Amongst many, some of 
the key improvements  include...

A smarter, faster and more flexible  interface
New standalones for Windows, OSX PPC, OSX Intel and OSX  UB
Support for Windows Vista
Support for multiple monitors  with independent work space and Scrapbook space
Support for a  'primary' Scrapbook
The optional display of Entry status indicators in  the indexes
Increased window 'real estate' with the 'icon only'  toolbar option
The addition of the 'Frost' color scheme
Improved iconography with an updated 'Parked' Scrapbook  artifact

For full details of all improvements and bugfixes, click  the "What's New..." 
button when you check for an update, or see the release  notes at 
http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk/ReadMe.html.


New  Standalones
If you use a standalone to run your Scrapbook/s, you should  download a new 
standalone based on 2.8.1 (not available for Mac OS9) after  updating. You can 
get the standalone of your choice at the on-line library from  your Home 
screen, or from the website. If you download a trial version  standalone 
starter-kit, the new standalone is included.


Built-in  API
We are also happy to announce version 1.21 of the Scripter's Scrapbook  API 
with improvements to the command set, supported by an updated Handbook (both  
the interactive version and the online documentation). The new Handbook is  
included whether you update online as an existing User or download a trial  
version starter-kit.



YOUR NEXT STEP
- Registered and Trial  users should update through the Help menu or in the 
Preferences.

- New  users and those interested in reviewing the changes since an earlier 
trial may  obtain a free 30-day starter-kit at www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk. 
You will be  asked if you wish to obtain the most recent version, and if there 
is one it can  be automatically downloaded for you.

- Full size screen shots for both  Mac OSX and Windows XP are at 
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk/preview including  useful mouse shortcuts illustrations.


FEEDBACK
As always, if you  have a moment to suggest improvements or request 
additional features we would  very much appreciate your feedback at  
www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbkFeedback.htm


Hugh Senior
FLCo
Home  of the Scripter's Scrapbook 



   


From shoreagent at gmail.com  Sat Sep  1 09:09:10 2007
From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:09:10 -0400
Subject: is "drawer" broken in Rev 2.8.1?
In-Reply-To: <F1398F47-13D8-4782-9C11-5BDDD28E9D11@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <7c87a2a10708310920u34c34898m69ae5565bdf6e623@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA9D50B9-7B5D-4393-A5CF-F8F0D748C605@elementarysoftware.com>
	<7c87a2a10708311233r1a157849neaa5ba05098b1ad4@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1398F47-13D8-4782-9C11-5BDDD28E9D11@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90709010609s5d97b09dt75e16f6fcfb5abe7@mail.gmail.com>

Does the drawer have that behavior where everything locks-up until you
dismiss it?


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Sep  1 09:17:40 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:17:40 +0200
Subject: is "drawer" broken in Rev 2.8.1?
In-Reply-To: <459b22a90709010609s5d97b09dt75e16f6fcfb5abe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10708310920u34c34898m69ae5565bdf6e623@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA9D50B9-7B5D-4393-A5CF-F8F0D748C605@elementarysoftware.com>
	<7c87a2a10708311233r1a157849neaa5ba05098b1ad4@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1398F47-13D8-4782-9C11-5BDDD28E9D11@elementarysoftware.com>
	<459b22a90709010609s5d97b09dt75e16f6fcfb5abe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0E5188-B710-4F3E-985F-25D6453C47F8@major-k.de>

Hi William,

> Does the drawer have that behavior where everything locks-up until you
> dismiss it?

No, that's a "sheet" :-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Sep  1 13:42:55 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:42:55 -0300
Subject: Half-OT: Lumen on MacUpdate Promo Site.
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709011042w2872d054wa37942ea078a3405@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Brent,
congratulations on Lumne, I just saw it today on mupromo.com. It's nice to
see some nice rev made software reaching the shareware realms of mupromo and
maybe maczot in the future!

congratulations on a nice game!

Andre


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  1 15:19:22 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:19:22 -0600
Subject: Half-OT: Lumen on MacUpdate Promo Site.
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709011042w2872d054wa37942ea078a3405@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709011042w2872d054wa37942ea078a3405@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68169AB5-8CA1-446F-9669-283AC782BF52@gmail.com>

Thanks Andre! We've been very impressed with the reception of Lumen.  
Although Revolution may not be as accepted as other tools, it  
certainly is capable enough to compete with everyone else.

Incidentally, when we published it to Apple.com/downloads, there was  
an option to choose Runtime Revolution as the development environment  
it was built in, right up there with XCode, RealBasic, and  
Macromedia. I was pleasantly surprised to see it in that list.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
www.fieryferret.com



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sat Sep  1 15:30:00 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:30:00 EDT
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook: Updating from 5.2.12 to 5.2.13...
Message-ID: <ca4.18d2ab73.340b17b8@aol.com>

A problem has been reported in the updater notification on Mac OSX.
 
OSX users should not update using the 'Automatic' setting in 5.2.12. It  
seems an inadvertant loop is created on this platform. Turn off 'Automatic' in  
your Preferences and check manually. We are working on solving this.
 
/H
 



   


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep  1 16:17:45 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:17:45 -1000
Subject: Hilite Lines on Hover in List Field
Message-ID: <46D9C8E9.6020506@hindu.org>

This would be a common UI behavior:

user passes his mouseover a list field and the lines "light up"
as he goes up and down.

This is a common "I am hot link" indicator.

  but I'm not even getting to first base.

1) create list field
   default entries
    	Choice 1
  	Choice 2
	Choice 3

2) in script of fld:

on mousewithin
# from the docs for "mouseline"
   set the backgroundcolor of the mouseline to "yellow"
end mousewithin

result:

I get a recursive error when putting my mouse into the field.
Error dialog keeps popping up even if you keep closing it...
until you click "ignore. I guess that's because mouse within
is continuously polling..and mouseMove would be better,

but

on mousemove
   set the backgroundcolor of the mouseline to "yellow"
end mousemove

still throws an error

But, this works:

on mousemove
   set the backgroundcolor of line 3 of fld 1 to "yellow"
end mousemove

I missing something basic... as that line is
right out of the docs...

Can someone post an example here? Obviously one has to
turn off the background color of the previous line while
moving to the next one...

A good candidate for an addition to the
scripts in "Getting Started --> Scripting the UI"

TIA

skts





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep  1 17:07:16 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:07:16 +0200
Subject: Hilite Lines on Hover in List Field
In-Reply-To: <46D9C8E9.6020506@hindu.org>
References: <46D9C8E9.6020506@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <A99F5792-5D11-4F56-95C8-7C4DBC41DD1F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

Here are two solutions. Put the first one into the script of a list  
field. Put the second script into the script of a non-list field.

on mouseMove
   put word 2 of the mouseLine into myLineNr
   if myLineNr is not empty and the hilitedline of me is not myLineNr  
then
     set the hilitedLine of me to myLineNr
   end if
end mouseMove

on mouseMove
   put word 2 of the mouseLine into myLineNr
   if myLineNr is not empty and the backColor of line myLineNr of me \
       is not yellow then
     set the backColor of line 1 to -1 of me to white
     set the backColor of line myLineNr of me to yellow
   end if
end mouseMove

Is this what you need?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com


Op 1-sep-2007, om 22:17 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven:

> This would be a common UI behavior:
>
> user passes his mouseover a list field and the lines "light up"
> as he goes up and down.
>
> This is a common "I am hot link" indicator.
>
>  but I'm not even getting to first base.
>
> 1) create list field
>   default entries
>    	Choice 1
>  	Choice 2
> 	Choice 3
>
> 2) in script of fld:
>
> on mousewithin
> # from the docs for "mouseline"
>   set the backgroundcolor of the mouseline to "yellow"
> end mousewithin
>
> result:
<snip>


From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sat Sep  1 17:40:06 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:40:06 EDT
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook: Updating from 5.2.12 to 5.2.13...
Message-ID: <c8f.17f8de29.340b3636@aol.com>


Scripter's Scrapbook: Update notice
 
With my apologies to anyone inconvenienced during today. The updater  problem 
in this morning's release has been resolved in 5.2.14 that is now  available 
online.
 
Reminder: Please do not choose the "Automatically" option in the update  
preferences until you have 5.2.14.
 
/H
FLCo
Home of the Scripter's Scrapbook



   


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Sep  1 18:47:18 2007
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:47:18 +0100
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>
	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>>
>>> From what I read, the arp command is supposed to get what I need but 
>>> I can't make it work. I think that's because my server is a Mac. If 
>>> I had a Windows-only network it might work but I don't know how to 
>>> test it with my current setup. :(
>>>
>> I very much doubt that :-)
>> Whether the server is a Mac or a polka-dotted unicorn (??), if you 
>> can ping it, it pretty much has to have an arp association on the 
>> client machine :-)
>>
>> after you do the ping, does the arp table on the server have an entry 
>> for the client ?
>
> Well, I'm pinging from Parallels to the Mac, then doing the arp 
> command on the Windows/Parallels side. It says there are no entries at 
> all. I did use the -a flag. Sounds like maybe I'm doing it backwards? 
> It's the only way I can do it, since Parallels is my only functioning 
> Windows environment right now.
>
Sounds like you may be doing it right. I would be concerned that 
Parallels manages the network from their "Hypervisor", and may therefore 
"shield" (i.e. hide) such things as the ARP entries form the non-primary 
OSes.

In any case, there was nothing in your description that said to me "must 
be on same subnet", so as Luis said, arp is pretty much a loser once you 
need to handle a routed (multi-subnet) network; I'd look more into his 
suggestions of a script / file on the server which determines / holds 
its own MAC address.

In another email, you said
> If there is no reliable way to get the server's MAC address, I have a 
> problem.
The only way you can get even close to a "reliable way" is to run 
something on the server itself - anything else will fail in some case 
involving routed networks and/or proxy-arp and/or 
multi-network-interface machines (which Mac address is to be used ?).

Even then, you can still hit problems if the MAC address changes (e.g. 
servers running load-sharing or virtual network protocols).


-- 

Alex Tweedly      mailto:alex at tweedly.net      www.tweedly.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep  1 19:13:12 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:13:12 -0500
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> In any case, there was nothing in your description that said to me "must 
> be on same subnet", so as Luis said, arp is pretty much a loser once you 
> need to handle a routed (multi-subnet) network; I'd look more into his 
> suggestions of a script / file on the server which determines / holds 
> its own MAC address.

That's the conclusion I've come to after thinking about this all day. 
But keeping a file on the server pretty much ruins the copy protection. 
All anyone has to do is copy the program and its data files, and then it 
will work when accessed from another computer -- even if the "server" 
that holds the copied app isn't registered. The client will think it is.

So that leaves me wondering where to put such a file. It has to be a 
place that allows full read permissions for remote computers, but can't 
be found or copied easily. I don't think there such a place, but I'd 
settle for something "good enough" at this point.

I'm looking into ADS now for that type of storage. What do you think 
about that? Will it cause my app to be flaggged as a virus?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Sep  1 19:23:56 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:23:56 -0300
Subject: Half-OT: Lumen on MacUpdate Promo Site.
In-Reply-To: <68169AB5-8CA1-446F-9669-283AC782BF52@gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709011042w2872d054wa37942ea078a3405@mail.gmail.com>
	<68169AB5-8CA1-446F-9669-283AC782BF52@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709011623k64c3012ev59964c2ed3aa5081@mail.gmail.com>

Brent,
can you tell me how you created the toolbar uniting the title bar and your
buttons... Is it a custom shape window? When I try to create something
similar here, it always display the title bar on top of everything.

PS: ... very, very adictive game! :D

best
andre

On 9/1/07, Brent Anderson <brentj84062 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Andre! We've been very impressed with the reception of Lumen.
> Although Revolution may not be as accepted as other tools, it
> certainly is capable enough to compete with everyone else.
>
> Incidentally, when we published it to Apple.com/downloads, there was
> an option to choose Runtime Revolution as the development environment
> it was built in, right up there with XCode, RealBasic, and
> Macromedia. I was pleasantly surprised to see it in that list.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> www.fieryferret.com
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Sep  1 20:28:07 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:28:07 -0700
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>
	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>
	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>
	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c2ffb2455ec9@[192.168.1.112]>

Hi, J.

I assume your clients want to do this like we used to with Hypercard, 
sharing a single stack. Are they trying to save per-seat charges, by 
saying that one user at a time is good enough?

How about, as  I've mentioned, a splash screen standalone at each 
seat to do the local authentication? And do something at the remote 
served stack level that allows only x users at a time... they won't 
be able to run the stack alone without an IDE and knowing the way in. 
Is the client having an IDE a concern?

>That's the conclusion I've come to after thinking about this all 
>day. But keeping a file on the server pretty much ruins the copy 
>protection. All anyone has to do is copy the program and its data 
>files, and then it will work when accessed from another computer -- 
>even if the "server" that holds the copied app isn't registered. The 
>client will think it is.


-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat Sep  1 20:36:43 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:36:43 +0100
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>
	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>

A plain text file should do it, with the MAC code encrypted.

Other than that, you could pop over and get the MAC address off the 
interface directly! It's stamped on all network hardware (might be on 
the inside though...). Whoever installs the soft can get access and use 
that as the key.

Cheers,

Luis.


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>
>> In any case, there was nothing in your description that said to me 
>> "must be on same subnet", so as Luis said, arp is pretty much a loser 
>> once you need to handle a routed (multi-subnet) network; I'd look more 
>> into his suggestions of a script / file on the server which determines 
>> / holds its own MAC address.
> 
> That's the conclusion I've come to after thinking about this all day. 
> But keeping a file on the server pretty much ruins the copy protection. 
> All anyone has to do is copy the program and its data files, and then it 
> will work when accessed from another computer -- even if the "server" 
> that holds the copied app isn't registered. The client will think it is.
> 
> So that leaves me wondering where to put such a file. It has to be a 
> place that allows full read permissions for remote computers, but can't 
> be found or copied easily. I don't think there such a place, but I'd 
> settle for something "good enough" at this point.
> 
> I'm looking into ADS now for that type of storage. What do you think 
> about that? Will it cause my app to be flaggged as a virus?
> 


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Sep  1 20:48:36 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:48:36 -0700
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>
	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>
	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>
	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com> <46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240801c2ffb81ebdb0@[192.168.1.112]>

there you go! You could create a little giveaway app that does 
nothing but run locally, gets the MAC address of the local machine in 
question, and either provide a way for the user to display or cut and 
paste the number, or send the number to be added to a list on the 
server.


>A plain text file should do it, with the MAC code encrypted.
>
>Other than that, you could pop over and get the MAC address off the 
>interface directly! It's stamped on all network hardware (might be 
>on the inside though...). Whoever installs the soft can get access 
>and use that as the key.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Luis.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep  1 22:08:59 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:08:59 -0500
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c2ffb2455ec9@[192.168.1.112]>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06240800c2ffb2455ec9@[192.168.1.112]>
Message-ID: <46DA1B3B.9060302@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Hi, J.
> 
> I assume your clients want to do this like we used to with Hypercard, 
> sharing a single stack. Are they trying to save per-seat charges, by 
> saying that one user at a time is good enough?

No, not like that. The standalone needs to be loaded from the server, 
and there should be no installation of anything required on any client 
machines. The client machines will open the standalone directly from the 
server. This puts a copy in memory on the local machine.

It is more complex than I've explained. There are multiple files on the 
server that have to be managed and they change often. The goal is to 
keep everything in one place and not have to install software anywhere else.

> 
> How about, as  I've mentioned, a splash screen standalone at each seat 
> to do the local authentication? And do something at the remote served 
> stack level that allows only x users at a time... they won't be able to 
> run the stack alone without an IDE and knowing the way in. Is the client 
> having an IDE a concern?

The number of concurrent users is unrestricted so that's not a problem. 
The copy on the server probably won't even be running most of the time; 
it will only be launched remotely by other machines.

What you mention is pretty much the way it runs now. We have a copy of 
the app on every individual machine, and each one has to be separately 
installed because each has a different MAC address. On large 
installations this is a real pain. The goal now is to keep nothing on 
the client machines and have everyone access the software from a central 
location.

I just had another thought. I know Windows allows multiple instances of 
an app to run. Does OS X? I guess I never tried it over a network; I've 
been assuming it will work. Note that the app on the server will almost 
never be running.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep  1 22:16:17 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:16:17 -0500
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46DA1CF1.9050907@hyperactivesw.com>

Luis wrote:
> A plain text file should do it, with the MAC code encrypted.

That's what I'm thinking. But encrypted or not, anyone who copies it 
will have access to the software.

(I'm starting to wonder if I care...) ;)

> Other than that, you could pop over and get the MAC address off the 
> interface directly! It's stamped on all network hardware (might be on 
> the inside though...). Whoever installs the soft can get access and use 
> that as the key.

When the software is installed on the server, it gets the MAC address by 
itself and stores it. The issue arises when a copy of the software on a 
remote machine starts up and needs to cross-check with the server to see 
if the server is running a valid copy. I need the server's MAC address 
for that.

Note that no software will be installed on any client machines. 
Everything has to be read across the network.

Storing info in a file that can be read remotely seems to be the only 
way to deal with the problem, but then that leaves a hole in the 
security. Anyone who copies that file and installs it on a different, 
unlicensed network will have full access.

The text file, encrypted or not, needs to be hidden and inaccessible to 
users while still being accessible to a remote machine inquiry.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep  1 23:05:06 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:05:06 -1000
Subject: Hilite Lines on Hover in List Field
In-Reply-To: <A99F5792-5D11-4F56-95C8-7C4DBC41DD1F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <46D9C8E9.6020506@hindu.org>
	<A99F5792-5D11-4F56-95C8-7C4DBC41DD1F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <46DA2862.3010302@hindu.org>

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Sivakatirswami,
> 
> Here are two solutions. Put the first one into the script of a list 
> field. Put the second script into the script of a non-list field.
> 
> on mouseMove
>   put word 2 of the mouseLine into myLineNr
>   if myLineNr is not empty and the hilitedline of me is not myLineNr then
>     set the hilitedLine of me to myLineNr
>   end if
> end mouseMove
> 
> on mouseMove
>   put word 2 of the mouseLine into myLineNr
>   if myLineNr is not empty and the backColor of line myLineNr of me \
>       is not yellow then
>     set the backColor of line 1 to -1 of me to white
>     set the backColor of line myLineNr of me to yellow
>   end if
> end mouseMove
> 
> Is this what you need?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
Perfect! thanks, I like the first one... one can set the hilite color in 
the field props.

and now this is nicely saved in my newly updated Scripter's Scrapbook.

Aloha from Hawaii
Sivakatirswami


From mickclns at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 00:05:34 2007
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:05:34 -0400
Subject: Drawers, documentation issue??
In-Reply-To: <20070901170005.C1786488EC0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070901170005.C1786488EC0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F6D4C0E2-A4B5-4EEA-AC0E-ED430B02054F@mac.com>

What am I missing here?  I am running rev 2.8.1.   I didn't know how  
to use drawers (in fact, didn't know exactly what was meant by a  
drawer).  So I did what (I hope) anyone would do, I used the rev  
documentation (and I had downloaded the latest version of the docs a  
week ago).  It clearly says, and I quote, no, copy and paste:

   Cross-platform note:  On Mac OS, Unix, and Windows systems,  
drawers are not supported, so the drawercommand opens the stack as a  
palette instead. The palette uses the current rectangle of the stack  
and does not resize or move it.

?????????????????????????????????????




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep  2 00:29:40 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:29:40 -0700
Subject: Drawers, documentation issue??
Message-ID: <46DA3C34.50300@fourthworld.com>

Mick Collins wrote:
> What am I missing here?  I am running rev 2.8.1.   I didn't know how  
> to use drawers (in fact, didn't know exactly what was meant by a  
> drawer).  So I did what (I hope) anyone would do, I used the rev  
> documentation (and I had downloaded the latest version of the docs a  
> week ago).  It clearly says, and I quote, no, copy and paste:
> 
>    Cross-platform note:  On Mac OS, Unix, and Windows systems,  
> drawers are not supported, so the drawercommand opens the stack as a  
> palette instead. The palette uses the current rectangle of the stack  
> and does not resize or move it.
> 
> ?????????????????????????????????????

I find a lot more than that.  Have you seen drawers in action?  They're 
truly an OS X-specific feature.  The old Mac OS (v9 and earlier) didn't 
support them, and neither Windows nor Linux nor Unix support them.

The docs seem in order here to me - what am I missing?

If you're not familiar with drawers, you probably don't need them. While 
Steve Jobs likes to give demos with them, they really don't provide much 
that isn't already provided with a disclosure triangle, which Apple 
continues to also recommend:

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_7.html>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  2 02:21:32 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:21:32 -0500
Subject: Drawers, documentation issue??
In-Reply-To: <F6D4C0E2-A4B5-4EEA-AC0E-ED430B02054F@mac.com>
References: <20070901170005.C1786488EC0@mail.runrev.com>
	<F6D4C0E2-A4B5-4EEA-AC0E-ED430B02054F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46DA566C.3010702@hyperactivesw.com>

Mick Collins wrote:
> What am I missing here?  I am running rev 2.8.1.   I didn't know how to 
> use drawers (in fact, didn't know exactly what was meant by a drawer).  
> So I did what (I hope) anyone would do, I used the rev documentation 
> (and I had downloaded the latest version of the docs a week ago).  It 
> clearly says, and I quote, no, copy and paste:
> 
>   Cross-platform note:  On Mac OS, Unix, and Windows systems, drawers 
> are not supported, so the drawercommand opens the stack as a palette 
> instead. The palette uses the current rectangle of the stack and does 
> not resize or move it.
> 
> ?????????????????????????????????????

Drawers are only supported on Mac OS X, since it is a feature of the 
operating system. The documentation distinguishes between Mac OS 9 and 
OS X by calling the earlier OS simply "Mac OS". If version 10 is meant, 
the docs refer to "Mac OS X". Is that the confusion?

In all systems except OS X, the drawer command causes the stack to act 
like a palette (since those OSes have no way to display or control 
drawers.) On OS X, the stack becomes a drawer, which is a window that 
slides out from underneath another window, and remains attached at one 
edge. Many Apple apps make use of drawers, generally to hold 
supplemental controls for the main window or other infrequently used items.

Apple has some guidelines about using drawers:

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGWindows/chapter_17_section_3.html>

If you scroll about halfway down the page, you'll see a picture of one.

Drawers are controversial. Some people hate them. Other people like how 
they tuck away items until you need them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 04:10:27 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:10:27 +1000
Subject: Vista peculiarities
Message-ID: <f99b52860709020110x273efa0pad4ef1cc316f9c48@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have just got access to a Vista system, so I have been trying to get
my Pic-a-POD program <http://www.troz.net/Pic-a-POD/> Vista
compatible.

I had some problems with file paths. I was trying to save the pictures
to "username/Documents/My Pictures/Pic-a-POD". Vista assured me that
this folder existed (even though it doesn't), then put the pictures
into "username/Pictures/Pic-a-POD" and then couldn't load the into the
display after saving them! So when saving it translated the folder
name to what it though was appropriate, but for loading it didn't.
However once I had worked that out, it was easy enough to overcome.
For anyone who needs to know, the systemVersion returns "NT 6.0" for
Vista.

The second problem is not so easy to fix. The menubar has a pale blue
background and nothing I can do will get rid of it or change it. The
group is set to opaque and all it's colors are inherited. The color is
associated with the group, not the indivdual buttons as it changes
size if I change the group's margins.

I notice that the pale blue color is the same as the Vista standard
menubar color but I would have assumed that Rev's menu bar system
using a group of buttons would not be susceptible to this. If there is
no way round this, then I guess I can make the group resize to the
full width of the window. That would look better even if not what I
wanted.

My final problem is that every now & then I click and Rev just shuts
down. There is no crash dialog like on Mac, so I don't know what to
report. Is there a way to get the crash logs on Vista?

Cheers,
Sarah


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Sep  2 10:26:14 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:26:14 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Lame Encoder
Message-ID: <EAE7C738-C998-4BCF-8B74-2EAA3DAB828B@maseurope.net>

I've made a simple GUI for the LAME mp3 encoder using the shell. It's  
on RevOnline:

Category: General
Name: Lame Encoder
User: Mark Smith


Only tested on mac OS 10.3 and 10.4, it assumes that you have LAME  
installed in /opt/local/bin. If you have it installed elsewhere,  
you'll have to edit the stack script to reflect that.

I've used Sarah Reichelts tip on using shell redirection to a file to  
enable a progress bar. Thanks, Sarah!


Best,

Mark


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 10:36:29 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:36:29 -0700
Subject: Send email with attachment
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10708310920m3750bf2o3a2ab8e1ae7d925f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0DAD78E5-71E7-44C4-BA81-7B70FF478893@mac.com>
	<46D255C4.2090608@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<F5FFC1B2-5512-4ED8-A311-A9F594112D71@mac.com>
	<46D839A3.6030700@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<7c87a2a10708310920m3750bf2o3a2ab8e1ae7d925f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E19016A-0367-43BF-88F6-011AE24FEAD3@mac.com>

I want it on both Mac and Windows.

Bill

On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Bill,
> coming late to this thread, are you on mac or windows? on macs you  
> can use
> applescript for that.
>
> Andre
>
> On 8/31/07, Derek Bump <list at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You're welcome.  I just tried the MIME suggestion I had, but I'm  
>> having
>> no luck getting it to work.  It relies on headers, which a "mailto:"
>> will not let you specify (other than subject, to and cc).
>>
>> What you may try is using a VBScript or Windows Scripting Host.   
>> While
>> they may provide a solution, be aware that most AntiVirus and
>> AntiSpyware programs will display an alert to the user.
>>
>> Also, something to be aware of, revMail doesn't locate the default  
>> email
>> client on Windows Vista properly.  Bug report #5286.  I have posted a
>> fix on the report if you need it.
>>
>> If you do end up finding a solution, please let myself and the list
>> know.  This is something that a lot of us have been trying to  
>> figure out
>> for a long time.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>>
>> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>>> Thanks Derek.
>>>
>>> What I want to do is essentially what Microsoft does in Word and  
>>> Excel.
>>> You can email the document you have open and it uses the default  
>>> email
>>> client on both Macs and Windows to do it.
>>>
>>> That's a good point about web mail programs. I hadn't thought of  
>>> that.
>>> Unfortunately, I can't depend on a server somewhere for this  
>>> software.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Derek Bump wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> What you could do is create the body of the email and encode the
>>>> attachment directly into the message via content types (I  
>>>> believe it's
>>>> called MIME).  To see what I mean, view the source of an email  
>>>> message
>>>> with an attachment.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure though if *all* email programs would honor the  
>>>> embedded
>>>> code when it's passed via the mailto:, and would instead just  
>>>> display
>> it
>>>> as inline text as opposed to an attachment.  This may create  
>>>> confusion
>>>> for some users.
>>>>
>>>> There is one other consideration that I hope you have not  
>>>> ignored, and
>>>> that is that a LOT of people don't use traditional email
>> programs.  They
>>>> use web based email like Hotmail or Yahoo Mail.  I had  
>>>> implemented a
>>>> mailto: script in one of my programs, only to replace it later  
>>>> on with
>> a
>>>> PHP script on my server that would send the email regardless of  
>>>> what
>>>> type of email they used (or if they even had email at all).
>>>>
>>>> I hope that helps you in your efforts.  If you're interested in  
>>>> a copy
>>>> of the PHP script, email me off-list and I'll send you a copy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Derek Bump
>>>> Dreamscape Software
>>>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>>>>> The following command works great for opening a new email  
>>>>> message and
>>>>> putting the address(s) in it. What I would like to also do is  
>>>>> add a
>>>>> specific attachment to the email as well but I don't see a  
>>>>> parameter
>> for
>>>>> doing that. This would be for Mac and Windows now and Linux  
>>>>> when Rev
>> 2.9
>>>>> comes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> revGoURL "mailto:guido at sales.example.com"
>>>>>
>>>>> I know there are ways to send email directly from Rev apps but  
>>>>> in this
>>>>> case I would like to leverage the email program the user  
>>>>> already has
>> and
>>>>> not require setting up SMTP parameters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bill Vlahos
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sun Sep  2 11:12:07 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:12:07 -0700
Subject: Drawers, documentation issue??
In-Reply-To: <46DA3C34.50300@fourthworld.com>
References: <46DA3C34.50300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9BB128EA-657B-4081-A107-B051B1766544@cruzio.com>


On Sep 1, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> docs seem in order here to me - what am I missing?
>
> If you're not familiar with drawers, you probably don't need them.  
> While Steve Jobs likes to give demos with them, they really don't  
> provide much that isn't already provided with a disclosure  
> triangle, which Apple continues to also recommend:
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/ 
> OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_7.html>
>


Does Rev implement disclosure triangles?

-Mark

The future ain't what it used to be.
- Yogi Berra




From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sun Sep  2 13:40:01 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:40:01 EDT
Subject: Vista peculiarities 
Message-ID: <c87.1a0619c4.340c4f71@aol.com>


Another gotcha is that the menubar group needs the following line if  you 
have a mouseDown handler to overcome the recent Rev menubar implementation  
peculiarities...

on mouseDown
if the mouse is not "down" then exit  mouseDown
.../...
end mouseDown

/H
 



   


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep  2 13:54:29 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:54:29 -0500
Subject: Vista peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709020110x273efa0pad4ef1cc316f9c48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709020110x273efa0pad4ef1cc316f9c48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070902125429896093.f31ffcdb@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:10:27 +1000, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> The second problem is not so easy to fix. The menubar has a pale blue
> background and nothing I can do will get rid of it or change it. The
> group is set to opaque and all it's colors are inherited. The color is
> associated with the group, not the indivdual buttons as it changes
> size if I change the group's margins.
> 
> I notice that the pale blue color is the same as the Vista standard
> menubar color but I would have assumed that Rev's menu bar system
> using a group of buttons would not be susceptible to this. If there is
> no way round this, then I guess I can make the group resize to the
> full width of the window. That would look better even if not what I
> wanted.

That pale blue color is applied by Rev because the group is defined as 
the menubar of the stack. That also gives you the roundRect rollovers 
and the Vista-specific hiliting of the menubar buttons. If you change 
it's name, or set the menubar of the stack to empty, the color 
background and the other accoutrements will go away. However, if this 
same stack is to work on a Mac, you will have the problem that the 
menubar will be displayed (since it's just a group), and won't slide 
up/resize the stack accordingly. 

> My final problem is that every now & then I click and Rev just shuts
> down. There is no crash dialog like on Mac, so I don't know what to
> report. Is there a way to get the crash logs on Vista?

Sort of - to find out what a program reported when it crashed, go to 
the Control Panel. If you haven't selected "Classic View" on the 
sidebar, click on "Security and Maintenance", then on "Problem Reports 
and Solutions". If you *do* have Classic View on, just double-click on 
the "Problem Reports and Solutions" control panel.

In either case, you can click on "See problems to check" on the 
sidebar, and then you'll get a list of problems with a "View 
Details..." link for each. Once you're viewing the details, you have a 
"Copy to clipboard" option if you need to put it into a file somewhere.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sun Sep  2 13:55:05 2007
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 10:55:05 -0700
Subject: AppleScript on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <20070902170006.36626488F46@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C3004709.98C8%dan@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!  This isn't really a "revolution" question, but...  It's easy to
get the album art from iTunes on a Mac with AppleScript.  Anyone know how to
get the album art from iTunes on a Windows computer?

Thank you in advance,
-Dan




From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sun Sep  2 14:05:24 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:05:24 EDT
Subject: Hilite Lines on Hover in List Field
Message-ID: <cf4.14bdb1d7.340c5564@aol.com>

Hi S,

If you want to indicate a hoverLine without losing the currently  
hilitedLine, use the same ideas as Mark gave (as ever both succinct  and elegant) but 
adjust the mouseLine's foreColor and/or textStyle  instead. With a little care, 
you can make this as much of a dog's breakfast as  you wish.
 
:-))
 
/H

Mark's solutions:
on mouseMove
put word 2 of the mouseLine into  myLineNr
if myLineNr is not empty and the hilitedline of me is  not myLineNr then
set the hilitedLine of me to  myLineNr
end if
end mouseMove
 
on mouseMove
put word 2 of the mouseLine into  myLineNr
if myLineNr is not empty and the backColor of line  myLineNr of me \
is not yellow  then
set the backColor of line 1 to -1 of me to  white
set the backColor of line myLineNr of me to  yellow
end if
end  mouseMove





   


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep  2 14:34:38 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:34:38 -0500
Subject: Vista peculiarities 
In-Reply-To: <c87.1a0619c4.340c4f71@aol.com>
References: <c87.1a0619c4.340c4f71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070902133438607901.b5f7d4d7@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:40:01 EDT, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Another gotcha is that the menubar group needs the following line if  you 
> have a mouseDown handler to overcome the recent Rev menubar implementation  
> peculiarities...
> 
> on mouseDown
> if the mouse is not "down" then exit  mouseDown
> .../...
> end mouseDown

Nice! I hadn't thought of that! (I was dealing with it in a different 
and more complex manner..)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mickclns at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 14:52:52 2007
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:52:52 -0400
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 48, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <20070902170006.36626488F46@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070902170006.36626488F46@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F4A3F69F-39F8-4067-B691-D97C22ACD070@mac.com>

Thanks, Jacque (and Richard) for the explication (and with Mark S, I  
also wonder about Rev and disclosure triangles),
I use OSX so I am very familiar with drawers (especially using them  
in iCal), I just didn't know what they were called and, I guess I  
knew but didn't recognize at the time that "Mac OS" does not refer to  
OSX, so all clear, thanks again,
    -  Mick

P.S.  I think they will be useful for some of what I do  if they DO work

Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:21:32 -0500
From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>:

>
> Drawers are only supported on Mac OS X, since it is a feature of the
> operating system. The documentation distinguishes between Mac OS 9 and
> OS X by calling the earlier OS simply "Mac OS". If version 10 is  
> meant,
> the docs refer to "Mac OS X". Is that the confusion?



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep  2 14:52:57 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:52:57 -0700
Subject: Vista peculiarities
Message-ID: <46DB0689.1060904@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:40:01 EDT, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Another gotcha is that the menubar group needs the following line if  you 
>> have a mouseDown handler to overcome the recent Rev menubar implementation  
>> peculiarities...
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>> if the mouse is not "down" then exit  mouseDown
>> .../...
>> end mouseDown
> 
> Nice! I hadn't thought of that! (I was dealing with it in a different 
> and more complex manner..)

I haven't had my coffee yet so forgive me if this should be obvious, but 
when do you want to not trigger the mouseDown handler when the mouse 
isn't down?

I know the mouseDown handlers in menus are now triggered with 
command-keys as well, but wouldn't you want the same menu updating to occur?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Sep  2 15:12:54 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:12:54 -0700
Subject: Writing to Temp Folder on Windows?
Message-ID: <C3005946.2DBA8%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hello List:

Anyone know if Windows imposes any restrictions when writing to the temp
folder under a user (non-admin) account?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Sep  2 15:17:49 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:17:49 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 48, Issue 2
Message-ID: <46DB0C5D.30208@fourthworld.com>

Mick Collins wrote:
> Thanks, Jacque (and Richard) for the explication (and with Mark S, I  
> also wonder about Rev and disclosure triangles),
> I use OSX so I am very familiar with drawers (especially using them  
> in iCal), I just didn't know what they were called and, I guess I  
> knew but didn't recognize at the time that "Mac OS" does not refer to  
> OSX, so all clear, thanks again,

Happy to help.

Drawers work great on OS X, but if you plan on taking your app to any 
other platform you're hosed.  Taking a few minutes to craft a disclosure 
triangle offers similar functionality while complying with the HIG 
recommendations of all modern systems.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  2 15:29:03 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:29:03 -0500
Subject: Drawers, documentation issue??
In-Reply-To: <9BB128EA-657B-4081-A107-B051B1766544@cruzio.com>
References: <46DA3C34.50300@fourthworld.com>
	<9BB128EA-657B-4081-A107-B051B1766544@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <46DB0EFF.7050303@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Swindell wrote:

> Does Rev implement disclosure triangles?

It's easy to construct these. Basically:

1. Import two flipper images to your stack, one in the up position and 
the other in the down position. Rev supplies these in its image library. 
Set their visibility to false.

2. Make a transparent button with its icon as one of the flippers, and 
its hilitedicon as the other. Set the autohilite of the button to false.

3. In a mouseup handler in the button script, test the hilite of the 
button. If it is false, set the hilite of the button to true and do 
whatever you need to simulate the stack change -- show another stack at 
a particular position, change the size of the current stack, show 
different controls, whatever. If the hilite is true, set the hilite to 
false and do whatever changes are necessary to set the stack back to the 
default position or settings.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mail at richard-hillen.de  Sun Sep  2 15:46:29 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:46:29 +0200
Subject: test if file exists on http-server
Message-ID: <80A36FE4-E1FE-4836-A47C-25DFBC71D66B@richard-hillen.de>

Hello list,

I have to check some hundred files, if they are available on  http- 
server; as they are big, is there another way than to try to download  
them?

Thank you!
Richard.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  2 15:48:41 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <113931.5039.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Is there a way to obtain the MAC address of a server
> from a client 
> machine on a Windows LAN?
> 
> Some web research suggests that the arp command will
> give what I want, 
> but when I run it in the command line it says there
> are no arp entries, 
> even if I successfully ping the server first.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |    
> 

Hi Jacque,

Qory to be so late with this, but have you considered
executing a VBScript by means of a shell command?
Here's the first entry of a google for "mac address
vbscript":
<http://www.winforums.com/showthread.php?t=8842>

It seems it is possible to go through all the Windows
machines in a domain and obtain the MAC addresses of
each computer.

Hop?e this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep  2 16:01:30 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:01:30 -0300
Subject: test if file exists on http-server
In-Reply-To: <80A36FE4-E1FE-4836-A47C-25DFBC71D66B@richard-hillen.de>
References: <80A36FE4-E1FE-4836-A47C-25DFBC71D66B@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709021301x6c4b6860tf3466d34d71b257c@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,
use the HEAD method. it will respond with the headers only, no content.
check the follwing entries in the documentation.

libURLSetCustomHTTPHeaders (you'll use that to assemble a HEAD request
instead of a GET one)


libURLLastRHHTTPHeaders (use this to check what the server answered.)

you may find additional info on the HTTP protocol by reading

http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/http/

best
andre
On 9/2/07, R. Hillen <mail at richard-hillen.de> wrote:
>
> Hello list,
>
> I have to check some hundred files, if they are available on  http-
> server; as they are big, is there another way than to try to download
> them?
>
> Thank you!
> Richard.
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  2 16:12:50 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: test if file exists on http-server
In-Reply-To: <80A36FE4-E1FE-4836-A47C-25DFBC71D66B@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <201144.84365.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "R. Hillen" <mail at richard-hillen.de> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I have to check some hundred files, if they are
> available on  http- 
> server; as they are big, is there another way than
> to try to download  
> them?
> 
> Thank you!
> Richard.
> 

Hi Richard,

That's what the 'HEAD' command is for, but since that
doesn't seem to be in libURL, here's a helper function
that I cooked up.

##
on mouseUp
  answer
qrtHTTP_FileExists("http://www.runrev.com/papasmurf.htm")
end mouseUp

function qrtHTTP_FileExists pURL
  breakpoint
  local tSocket, tPath, tHeaders, tCommand
  set the itemDelimiter to "/"
  -- extract host IP address and file path from the
URL
  put item 3 of pURL into tHost
  if tHost contains ":" then 
    put tHost into tSocket
  else 
    put tHost & ":80" into tSocket
  end if
  put "/" & item 4 to -1 of pURL into tPath
  -- build the command
  put "HEAD" && tPath && "HTTP/1.1" into tCommand
  -- build the http headers
  put "Connection: Close" & CRLF & \
      "Host:" && tHost & CRLF & \
      "User-Agent: Revolution (" & the version & ")"
into tHeaders
  -- open the socket, write he request and read the
response
  open socket tSocket
  write tCommand & CRLF & tHeaders & CRLF & CRLF to
socket tSocket
  read from socket tSocket until CRLF
  put word 2 of it into tResultCode
  close socket tSocket
  -- return our interpretation of the result code
  return (tResultCode = 200)
end qrtHTTP_FileExists
##

This function does not take into account the
possibility that the file was moved and there's a
redirect to the new location. If you don't intend on
moving the file, the above should work just fine.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  2 16:17:12 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AppleScript on Windows?
In-Reply-To: <C3004709.98C8%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <732861.35993.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com> wrote:
> Greetings!  This isn't really a "revolution"
> question, but...  It's easy to
> get the album art from iTunes on a Mac with
> AppleScript.  Anyone know how to
> get the album art from iTunes on a Windows computer?
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> -Dan
> 

Hi Dan,

The closest thing that Windows has to the AppleEvents
mechanism that is the heart of AppleScript, is the COM
model. iTunes implements the COM model and can be
steered from other applications, including the
extraction of album information.
The easiest way to do this from Revolution, is to
create a VBScript in a text file, execute that through
a shell function, and work it from there.
Check out this knowledge base article from Redmond:
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/funzone/tunes.mspx>

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Sep  2 17:36:48 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:36:48 -0700
Subject: DISCLOSURE TRIANGES
In-Reply-To: <F4A3F69F-39F8-4067-B691-D97C22ACD070@mac.com>
References: <20070902170006.36626488F46@mail.runrev.com>
	<F4A3F69F-39F8-4067-B691-D97C22ACD070@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c300dcdc9505@[192.168.1.112]>

You can find a DISCLOSURE TRIANGE custom object in the IDE

Development--->Object Library---->Objects---->Grey Dislosure Triangle 
with label


>Thanks, Jacque (and Richard) for the explication (and with Mark S, I 
>also wonder about Rev and disclosure triangles),
>I use OSX so I am very fam

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Sep  2 17:43:20 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:43:20 -0500
Subject: DragDrop bug in WinXP?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone verify this simple but strange bug with dragDrop and WinXP? Thanks!

put in msg box:
go url "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/DragDropBug.rev"


Here's the problem as presented in the above stack:
Create a stack and add a field. Set the script of the field to:

on dragEnter
  set the acceptDrop to true
end dragEnter

on dragDrop
  put the dragData["files"] into me
end dragDrop

Now, dragdrop some files/folders and everything works fine. But try
dragDropping 'My Documents' folder and it doesn't work. Any ideas?

best,
Chipp


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Sep  2 18:38:54 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:38:54 -0500
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 48, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <20070902170006.1698B488F2F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070902170006.1698B488F2F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <46DB3B7E.5000803@crcom.net>

Hi Sarah,

I hope that now that someone as "high profile" as yourself has had this problem, someone might actually look into it.  I brought this up almost two weeks ago and haven't had even the slightest response!

For what it worth (and as reminder), my problems revolved around revdb.dll errors and yet only when I was trying to print a card (that made database calls first).  You can do a search (in Help & Support) for "Event Log"  That's what MS calls it.  It doesn't give a whole lot of information but maybe it will help.

len morgan

>My final problem is that every now & then I click and Rev just shuts
>down. There is no crash dialog like on Mac, so I don't know what to
>report. Is there a way to get the crash logs on Vista?
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 18:42:45 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:42:45 +1000
Subject: Vista peculiarities
Message-ID: <f99b52860709021542x6d03ed84ra19ecf5cdb059f7e@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about my "profile" but I'll do what I can. However I was
not printing or using databases. I don't think I was really doing
anything, I just clicked!

I'll see if I can find the crash logs and post them as a bug report.

Cheers,
Sarah


> I hope that now that someone as "high profile" as yourself has had this problem, someone might actually look into it.  I brought this up almost two weeks ago and haven't had even the slightest response!
>
> For what it worth (and as reminder), my problems revolved around revdb.dll errors and yet only when I was trying to print a card (that made database calls first).  You can do a search (in Help & Support) for "Event Log"  That's what MS calls it.  It doesn't give a whole lot of information but maybe it will help.
>
> len morgan
>
> >My final problem is that every now & then I click and Rev just shuts
> >down. There is no crash dialog like on Mac, so I don't know what to
> >report. Is there a way to get the crash logs on Vista?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  2 21:28:21 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:28:21 -0500
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <113931.5039.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <113931.5039.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46DB6335.4030105@hyperactivesw.com>

Jan Schenkel wrote:

> Qory to be so late with this, but have you considered
> executing a VBScript by means of a shell command?
> Here's the first entry of a google for "mac address
> vbscript":
> <http://www.winforums.com/showthread.php?t=8842>
> 
> It seems it is possible to go through all the Windows
> machines in a domain and obtain the MAC addresses of
> each computer.

Thanks Jan, I will definitely look into this.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep  2 21:33:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:33:22 -0500
Subject: DragDrop bug in WinXP?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DB6462.1030307@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Can anyone verify this simple but strange bug with dragDrop and WinXP? Thanks!
> 
> put in msg box:
> go url "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/DragDropBug.rev"
> 
> 
> Here's the problem as presented in the above stack:
> Create a stack and add a field. Set the script of the field to:
> 
> on dragEnter
>   set the acceptDrop to true
> end dragEnter
> 
> on dragDrop
>   put the dragData["files"] into me
> end dragDrop
> 
> Now, dragdrop some files/folders and everything works fine. But try
> dragDropping 'My Documents' folder and it doesn't work. Any ideas?

I didn't test on Windows, but on a Mac it just puts the folder path into 
the field. This seems correct to me, since folders aren't files. I'd 
test to see if there is a folder with that path, and if so, extend the 
script to get the files and put them into the field.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep  2 22:31:46 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:31:46 -0500
Subject: DragDrop bug in WinXP?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070902213146970265.d57d9cab@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:43:20 -0500, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Now, dragdrop some files/folders and everything works fine. But try
> dragDropping 'My Documents' folder and it doesn't work. Any ideas?

Actually the problem is that the 'My Documents' folder you see on the 
desktop really *isn't* the My Documents folder... it's just a pointer 
to the actual folder, and it's really not even a shortcut (otherwise 
you'd get a file with the .lnk extension). 

If you were to locate the *true* My Documents folder (like mine's at 
c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents) and drag and drop 
*that* one, it works properly.

BTW: You get the same "non-result" with My Computer, My Network Places, 
Internet Explorer (on the desktop), etc. and in all these cases, "the 
keys of the dragData" is empty, so you don't know what they were 
dragging.

Now you could *prevent* someone trying to drop these "non-result" 
folders by changing the 'dragEnter' code to:

on dragEnter
  if the keys of the dragData is empty then
    set the acceptDrop to false
  else
    set the acceptDrop to true
  end if
end dragEnter

... but I don't see a way to determine that they're dragging the My 
Documents pointer from the desktop into a field with just Rev (meaning 
you could construct some other drag-drop window in another program that 
can figure this out, and then launch and manage it from Rev).

Sorry,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Sep  2 22:52:23 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:52:23 -0500
Subject: DragDrop bug in WinXP?
In-Reply-To: <20070902213146970265.d57d9cab@sonsothunder.com>
References: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070902213146970265.d57d9cab@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709021952j5cfb8461v7240ed7b1d702fbe@mail.gmail.com>

Ken,

Thanks a bunch. I figured it was probably some sort of 'special'
folder thing. Your hack is right on target. Thanks for that.

BTW, one of the reasons why I like this list so much, is for this type
of help. I belong to a number of other forums, and for the most part,
people rush to blame the software before trying to figure out what the
problems are.

Saved me from entering a bug report.

Thanks! --Chipp

PS [OT] --what I've been working on lately:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/TerraPakCover/default.htm


From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sun Sep  2 23:21:21 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:21:21 -0500
Subject: DISCLOSURE TRIANGES
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c300dcdc9505@[192.168.1.112]>
References: <20070902170006.36626488F46@mail.runrev.com>	<F4A3F69F-39F8-4067-B691-D97C22ACD070@mac.com>
	<p06240800c300dcdc9505@[192.168.1.112]>
Message-ID: <46DB7DB1.2080503@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> You can find a DISCLOSURE TRIANGE custom object in the IDE
>
> Development--->Object Library---->Objects---->Grey Dislosure Triangle
> with label

Just curious, but since version 2.7 of Revolution, The "Objects" library
has been empty on every version I download and install.

Is there something I need to do more, or do the old "objects" no longer
come with the program like they did in 2.5?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From josh at dvcreators.net  Sun Sep  2 23:29:52 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:29:52 -0700
Subject: Gradients, math and graphs
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>


On Aug 31, 2007, at 2:31 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Fireworks took 8 minutes to download and $299 :)


Ah so, Gimp then:

http://www.gimp.org/


I like Fireworks because it will export a folder of images and a  
"guide" doc that can be easily imported into Rev to create a fully  
"skinned" interface.

From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Sep  3 00:35:20 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:05:20 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>

Hi

Been researching various data synchronization techniques.. and these are 
the ones I've found most interesting:

1. Google's Map/Reduce (not really data synchronization but still 
interesting)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce

2. SyncML Protocol
http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release_program/ds_v12.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML

3. CouchDB
http://couchdb.org
http://blog.leetsoft.com/2007/9/2/futuretalk-couchdb

A slashdot article 
(http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/07/08/27/2359245.shtml) even 
suggests rsync.

A process I'm working on involves 3 simple steps:
1. Laptop <- Pull changes since last connection.
2. Merge local changes.
3. Laptop -> Push changes back to central server.

I'm leaning towards a CouchDB approach but using a modified version of 
Andre's RevOnRockets server using Valentina (mainly for the encyption 
but may use sqlite and a VPN like hamachi) and a XML protocol (instead 
of JSON).

Has anyone had any experience with this subject and has some useful 
suggestions?

regards
alex


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 02:35:30 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:35:30 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <C30185E2.7C413%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 7:35 AM, "Alex Shaw" <alex at harryscollar.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

> Been researching various data synchronization techniques.. and these are
> the ones I've found most interesting:
> 
> 1. Google's Map/Reduce (not really data synchronization but still
> interesting)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce
> 
> 2. SyncML Protocol
> http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release_program/ds_v12.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML
> 
> 3. CouchDB
> http://couchdb.org
> http://blog.leetsoft.com/2007/9/2/futuretalk-couchdb
> 
> A slashdot article
> (http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/07/08/27/2359245.shtml) even
> suggests rsync.
> 
> A process I'm working on involves 3 simple steps:
> 1. Laptop <- Pull changes since last connection.
> 2. Merge local changes.
> 3. Laptop -> Push changes back to central server.
> 
> I'm leaning towards a CouchDB approach but using a modified version of
> Andre's RevOnRockets server using Valentina (mainly for the encyption
> but may use sqlite and a VPN like hamachi) and a XML protocol (instead
> of JSON).
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with this subject and has some useful
> suggestions?

If you are not in rush, you can get this info.

In nearest hours, we going to ship Valentina 3.3 release,
And we will start work on 3.4 build.

For this build we going to add at least basic features of replication, what
includes two aspects In fact:
    a) Vserver to Vserver replication
    b) off-line client to Vserver synch.


What is your task you need to solve?

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Sep  3 03:40:56 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:10:56 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <C30185E2.7C413%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C30185E2.7C413%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <46DBBA88.3000804@harryscollar.com>

Hi Ruslan

In relation to your question, I am interested in .. b) off-line client 
to Vserver synch.

But..

I have a simple & probably very common scenario.

Small group of multiple users, most users have local network access and 
other users on the road with laptops.

Laptops are equipped with wireless broadband but will be required to do 
offline changes. Changes are synced when network is available.

Some of these changes involve structural as well as simple data changes. 
I know that is asking a lot but I am flexible to the types of offline 
changes to be allowed. Possibly limiting or removing ability to do 
structural changes. I am experimenting with different table structures 
to allow flexibility.

Current single user application is written in Rev & uses sqlite but have 
been planning to switch to valentina. Now seriously planning 
implementation of multi-user requirements.

I do have Valentina's Rev ADK but not Vserver.

Maybe embedded Vserver is an option but your wiki is low on details on 
what is involved to integrate into main rev application.

I prefer a customised HTTP server approach in which the main server 
pushes and pulls information from connected client apps. This also 
allows possibility of using third-party access in the future. eg. 
limited web-browser access.

Looking forward to playing with 3.3 but will prefer to wait till final 
version is available.

regards
alex

Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> 
> If you are not in rush, you can get this info.
> 
> In nearest hours, we going to ship Valentina 3.3 release,
> And we will start work on 3.4 build.
> 
> For this build we going to add at least basic features of replication, what
> includes two aspects In fact:
>     a) Vserver to Vserver replication
>     b) off-line client to Vserver synch.
> 
> 
> What is your task you need to solve?
> 


From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Sep  3 04:09:57 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:39:57 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <46DBC155.7010001@harryscollar.com>

Hi

This maybe sightly off-topic & I may even move it to the Valentina list 
but I respect the wide range of experience the users of this list have :)

regards
alex


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 04:26:18 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:26:18 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DBBA88.3000804@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <C3019FDA.7C42D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 10:40 AM, "Alex Shaw" <alex at harryscollar.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruslan
> 
> In relation to your question, I am interested in .. b) off-line client
> to Vserver synch.
> 
> But..
> 
> I have a simple & probably very common scenario.

Yes, we want collect the most common needs of Valentina users,
To implement them in the first turn.
 
> Small group of multiple users, most users have local network access and
> other users on the road with laptops.
> 
> Laptops are equipped with wireless broadband but will be required to do
> offline changes. Changes are synced when network is available.
> Some of these changes involve structural as well as simple data changes.

And here main question we have:

Does laptops should have
    a) the whole snapshoot of server db ?
    b) or its part?
    c) or nothing at all?

Case c) means that we need only one direction synch
            Client => Server

Case a) means bi-direction synch
            Client <=> Server

Case b) the same as a)  but also require way to specify some FILTERs to load
from server only some PART of info.


---------------------
> I know that is asking a lot but I am flexible to the types of offline
> changes to be allowed. Possibly limiting or removing ability to do
> structural changes. I am experimenting with different table structures
> to allow flexibility.
> 
> Current single user application is written in Rev & uses sqlite but have
> been planning to switch to valentina. Now seriously planning
> implementation of multi-user requirements.
> 
> I do have Valentina's Rev ADK but not Vserver.
 
We have upgrade from ADK to VDN option.

> Maybe embedded Vserver is an option but your wiki is low on details on
> what is involved to integrate into main rev application.

Please ask specific questions on Valentina list,
And I will try give you points to correct WIKI pages.

> I prefer a customised HTTP server approach in which the main server
> pushes and pulls information from connected client apps. This also
> allows possibility of using third-party access in the future. eg.
> limited web-browser access.

Okay I see.

Actually we did develop HTTP access for Valentina server more than year ago.
But it is not in game yet, because we did plan use it with XML features and
they are still on hold.

> Looking forward to playing with 3.3 but will prefer to wait till final
> version is available.
> 
> regards
> alex

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Sep  3 04:58:41 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:28:41 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <C3019FDA.7C42D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C3019FDA.7C42D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <46DBCCC1.1030408@harryscollar.com>

Hi Ruslan

Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
> And here main question we have:
> 
> Does laptops should have
>     a) the whole snapshoot of server db ?
>     b) or its part?
>     c) or nothing at all?
> 
> Case c) means that we need only one direction synch
>             Client => Server
> 
> Case a) means bi-direction synch
>             Client <=> Server
> 
> Case b) the same as a)  but also require way to specify some FILTERs to load
> from server only some PART of info.
> 

Because the laptops need to interact with the database offline, a whole 
snapshot is stored on each (so, case a).

It's a hybrid content/document management system but currently images 
and documents are not stored within the database itself, just local path 
links. It also handles video files.

>  
> We have upgrade from ADK to VDN option.
> 
>> Maybe embedded Vserver is an option but your wiki is low on details on
>> what is involved to integrate into main rev application.
> 
> Please ask specific questions on Valentina list,
> And I will try give you points to correct WIKI pages.
> 

I have done a search on the wiki & it seems to indicate the embedded 
server isn't quite embedded as I originally imagined. ie It is a 
separate entity not a linkable library. Just like normal Vserver with a 
few different options plus different license. Correct?

>> I prefer a customised HTTP server approach in which the main server
>> pushes and pulls information from connected client apps. This also
>> allows possibility of using third-party access in the future. eg.
>> limited web-browser access.
> 
> Okay I see.
> 
> Actually we did develop HTTP access for Valentina server more than year ago.
> But it is not in game yet, because we did plan use it with XML features and
> they are still on hold.
> 

I see the customised rev server as a middleware-type application which 
does all direct communication with client apps (I have more control over 
what is and isn't served and also because users have different access 
levels).

Possibly I could use a series of server comms eg. client talks to rev 
management server which would do data-talk to local and/or remote Vserver.

But this depends on how you plan to implement off-line client to Vserver 
synch. There are no entries in wiki on this. Can you possible give me an 
idea of the type of API commands to be implemented?

regards
alex



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 05:00:32 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:00:32 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <A7F74351-2806-4FFA-8FA6-B82BA202AD80@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C301A7E0.7C43C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 11:41 AM, "Bart Pietercil" <bart.pietercil at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bart,

>> And here main question we have:
>> 
>> Does laptops should have
>>     a) the whole snapshoot of server db ?
>>     b) or its part?
>>     c) or nothing at all?
>> 
>> Case c) means that we need only one direction synch
>>             Client => Server
>> 
>> Case a) means bi-direction synch
>>             Client <=> Server
>> 
>> Case b) the same as a)  but also require way to specify some
>> FILTERs to load
>> from server only some PART of info.

> Very much B (sorry :-)). Even from a data security viewpoint alone  A
> would be unacceptable. There is no way that a database administrator
> would allow to sync a complete database (with maybe confidential
> data) when the outbound person would only need ie. a product catalog.

Yes, case B) is the most flexible and the most complex to implement.
 
> C is also the same as B when the client loads a filter that returns 0
> records

:-)  yes, but from implementation point of view,
    c) will be our first step. Because setup mechanism of filters
    (add/create/alter filter) require more job.
 

>> Actually we did develop HTTP access for Valentina server more than  year ago.
>> But it is not in game yet, because we did plan use it with XML  features and
>> they are still on hold.

> Do you mean here giving SOAP capabilities to Valentina (because
> that's probably in a few months on our plate) ?

SOAP is one of.

The most big idea was support of features similar to just added into MS SQL
2005 and Oracle in regard to XML.

MS and Oracle do things in different way. MS have very own way, Oracle have
put efforts on SQL standard committee, and have implement extension of SQL
2003 for SQL/XML support.

This should work in the next way (as we plan it for Valentina Server)
    * user connect to HTTP socket of VSERVER
    * send TEXT of SQL/XML query.
    * get back TEXT which is XML.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 05:24:44 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:24:44 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DBCCC1.1030408@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <C301AD8C.7C44F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 11:58 AM, "Alex Shaw" <alex at harryscollar.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,

>>> Maybe embedded Vserver is an option but your wiki is low on details on
>>> what is involved to integrate into main rev application.
>> 
>> Please ask specific questions on Valentina list,
>> And I will try give you points to correct WIKI pages.
>> 
> 
> I have done a search on the wiki & it seems to indicate the embedded
> server isn't quite embedded as I originally imagined. ie It is a
> separate entity not a linkable library. Just like normal Vserver with a
> few different options plus different license. Correct?

Yes Alex.

Valentina Office Server and Valentina Embedded Server technically are the
same applications.

* Deferens in license first of all -- Valentina Embedded Server give you
much better price when you need deploy a lots of copies of Vserver with your
solution.

* And one additional parameter in Vconnection is used to support above
license. Idea is that only YOUR application can use this Valentina Embedded
Server. Nobody else.


* Valentina Embedded Server is embedded NOT into your client application,
but into your Client/Server solution.

* Really, you now discuss some client/server solution. Right?
    so you already must at least TWO application:

        1) SERVER SIDE application(s)
            (this can be Valentina Embedded Server OR
                Valentina Embedded Server + your middleware app)
                   
        2) CLIENT SIDE application

Agree?

So your client side application of course cannot be LINKED to Valentina
Embedded Server. It will talk to it using sockets.

> I see the customized rev server as a middleware-type application which
> does all direct communication with client apps (I have more control over
> what is and isn't served and also because users have different access
> levels).
> 
> Possibly I could use a series of server comms eg. client talks to rev
> management server which would do data-talk to local and/or remote Vserver.

Right, this solution is

    (VSERVER <=> MIDDLEWARE APP)  <=> ClientApp

Although in this case you will have a lots more job todo. You need for
example self work with sockets, and develop own protocol. Such solution
choose teams which have enough power and experience in such tasks.

> But this depends on how you plan to implement off-line client to Vserver
> synch. There are no entries in wiki on this. Can you possible give me an
> idea of the type of API commands to be implemented?

We only thinking about it now and learning other existed solutions to choose
best ideas and apply them to Valentina issues (e.g. In Valentina we need yet
solve problem with correction of ObjectPtr values during synch).

We will be happy do early discussion of this features on Valentina-beta
list.

Btw, you have touch another point to consider:
    If it is possible to implement synch when middleware present.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 05:31:17 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:31:17 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <4B635907-B192-4627-AD24-8A462B43D78C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C301AF15.7C455%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 12:08 PM, "Bart Pietercil" <bart.pietercil at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bart,

>>>> Actually we did develop HTTP access for Valentina server more  than  year
>>>> ago. But it is not in game yet, because we did plan use it with XML
>>>> features and they are still on hold.
>> 
>>> Do you mean here giving SOAP capabilities to Valentina (because
>>> that's probably in a few months on our plate) ?
>> 
>> SOAP is one of.
>> 
>> The most big idea was support of features similar to just added
>> into MS SQL
>> 2005 and Oracle in regard to XML.
>> 
>> MS and Oracle do things in different way. MS have very own way,
>> Oracle have
>> put efforts on SQL standard committee, and have implement extension
>> of SQL
>> 2003 for SQL/XML support.
>> 
>> This should work in the next way (as we plan it for Valentina Server)
>>     * user connect to HTTP socket of VSERVER
>>     * send TEXT of SQL/XML query.
>>     * get back TEXT which is XML.

> XPath and XQueries ?

This is MS way.

Oracle uses new features of SQL2033 standard SQL/XML extension.

They say that by power and Query Complexity are comparable.
Just SQL/XML way is more easier for developers who already know SQL.
And XPath  and Xqueries is more easy for developers who good know XML.

> Does that mean that you will implement also XML as data type ?

We dream about this :-)

We have spend few developers months working on this task before 2.0 yet.
Even first tests did work... But later we have hold this task to be able
ship Valentina 2.0.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 05:40:34 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:40:34 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <1D88E523-58EA-418F-B804-1CB2601C3B43@objectmanufactur.com>
Message-ID: <C301B142.7C45D%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 12:16 PM, "Thorsten Hohage" <thohage at objectmanufactur.com> wrote:

Hi Thorsten, 

>> And here main question we have:
>> 
>> Does laptops should have
>>     a) the whole snapshoot of server db ?
> 
> sometimes yes - it seems that especially germans tend to carry the
> whole 10GB DB with them, but ...
> 
>>     b) or its part?
> 
> yes - THIS is in most cases (system I build) used. But part often
> means depend on context i.e. a query what should be replicated (where
> staff_district = 'Hamburg') and it depends on the table, too. So
> articles complete, customers only from the district, help desk-tables
> none.

Right, each client should have set of own FILTERs. And as Bart point this
also help with security (e.g. Employers should not see what Managers can).
 

> Additional one further remark
> 
>>> Changes are synced when network is available.
> 
> perhaps not only when network is available. There are still
> situations where syncing should be done by media transfer, i.e. USB-
> Stick, CD, ... i.e. imagine a expedition where the entered data must
> be synced and NO or better NO cheap enough network is enable


-----------------
> And I want to add two more and really important topics! There must be
> a solution for generating unique-keys, too - something like satellite-
> id + table-unique-id to be able to sync data - enter new data on each
> system - re-sync - enter other new data ... could be tricky, really
> tricky.

Right. 

In MS SQL they use GUID for this.
Ivan like this solution the most as I see :-)
So our first step then should be adding this field type into Valentina.


> We used a system with a central serial table with pre-generated
> serials and an id for what satellite this id is. These serials are
> replicated, too and so every system gets its set of serials. Using
> triggers to request a serial when a record is generated. But of
> course there are several more concept on how to handle serials in a
> distributed system

Yes, pre-generated serials also used often. Although agree, this require
some special job on both computers to prepare them for replications.
Annoying. 

> The same problem is regarding deletion of data. Satellite_1 and
> Satellite_2 get some contacts in the same time. Now Satellite_1
> deletes a contact and Satellite_2 changes this contact later in time,
> then Satellite_1 deletes it. Satellite_1 syncs his data to server,
> later Satellite_2 syncs too and the contact is back. Next time
> Satellite_1 syncs with the server he gets the deleted contact back.
> 
> Other scenario: Satellite_1 and Satellite_2 gets both contact data,
> but Satellite_2 get the invoices, too. Satellite_1 doesn't see any
> invoices and deletes the contact, what happened with the joined data
> that are still on Satellite_2.
> 
> Of course some of these issues must be handled by application (better
> system) logic, but there must be propitiate options in the database
> to configure these rules.

These are "CONFLICTS". In the most hard cases human manual task required,
like when we have conflicts workings with CVS.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Sep  3 06:07:40 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:37:40 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <C301AD8C.7C44F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
References: <C301AD8C.7C44F%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <46DBDCEC.4020907@harryscollar.com>

Hi Ruslan

Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
> Right, this solution is
> 
>     (VSERVER <=> MIDDLEWARE APP)  <=> ClientApp
> 

Correct.

> Although in this case you will have a lots more job todo. You need for
> example self work with sockets, and develop own protocol. Such solution
> choose teams which have enough power and experience in such tasks.

> Oracle uses new features of SQL2033 standard SQL/XML extension.
> 
> They say that by power and Query Complexity are comparable.
> Just SQL/XML way is more easier for developers who already know SQL.
> And XPath  and Xqueries is more easy for developers who good know XML.

This would go part way to making implementation of middleware app easier 
but I don't like the idea of someone being able to arbitrarily send SQL 
or XML commands to main data server so I would still prefer to have 
middleware server to filter things. Fortunately low-load custom tcp 
servers are easy to write in Revolution.

> 
>> But this depends on how you plan to implement off-line client to Vserver
>> synch. There are no entries in wiki on this. Can you possible give me an
>> idea of the type of API commands to be implemented?
> 
> We only thinking about it now and learning other existed solutions to choose
> best ideas and apply them to Valentina issues (e.g. In Valentina we need yet
> solve problem with correction of ObjectPtr values during synch).
> 

That's why I have been looking at a CouchDB/XPath style namespace system 
to help log data changes (and syncing) and try to really simplify table 
structures.. hmmm lots of options to think about

> 
> Btw, you have touch another point to consider:
>     If it is possible to implement synch when middleware present.
> 

Happy to get your great minds thinking about how you can improve my 
favourite development tool and database system :)

regards
alex


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 06:24:30 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:24:30 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DBDCEC.4020907@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <C301BB8E.7C46C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 1:07 PM, "Alex Shaw" <alex at harryscollar.com> wrote:

>> Right, this solution is
>> 
>>     (VSERVER <=> MIDDLEWARE APP)  <=> ClientApp
>> 
> 
> Correct.
> 
>> Although in this case you will have a lots more job todo. You need for
>> example self work with sockets, and develop own protocol. Such solution
>> choose teams which have enough power and experience in such tasks.
> 
>> Oracle uses new features of SQL2033 standard SQL/XML extension.
>> 
>> They say that by power and Query Complexity are comparable.
>> Just SQL/XML way is more easier for developers who already know SQL.
>> And XPath  and Xqueries is more easy for developers who good know XML.
> 
> This would go part way to making implementation of middleware app easier
> but I don't like the idea of someone being able to arbitrarily send SQL
> or XML commands to main data server so I would still prefer to have
> middleware server to filter things. Fortunately low-load custom tcp
> servers are easy to write in Revolution.

Well, why anybody?

Your database will be under Valentina Embedded Server. To connect to it, it
needs to know your embedded signature. Only you know it. So only YOUR
application can connect.

>>> But this depends on how you plan to implement off-line client to Vserver
>>> synch. There are no entries in wiki on this. Can you possible give me an
>>> idea of the type of API commands to be implemented?
>> 
>> We only thinking about it now and learning other existed solutions to choose
>> best ideas and apply them to Valentina issues (e.g. In Valentina we need yet
>> solve problem with correction of ObjectPtr values during synch).
>> 
> 
> That's why I have been looking at a CouchDB/XPath style namespace system
> to help log data changes (and syncing) and try to really simplify table
> structures.. hmmm lots of options to think about

Yes, task is far not trivial.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 06:29:40 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:29:40 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <AF364C76-1167-41C4-963F-38C2E7D189E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C301BCC4.7C472%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 1:22 PM, "Bart Pietercil" <bart.pietercil at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Bart,

>> <snipped>
>> 
>> In MS SQL they use GUID for this.
>> Ivan like this solution the most as I see :-)
>> So our first step then should be adding this field type into
>> Valentina.
> 
> Can you explain GUID as datatype ? I am not familiar with it (well
> maybe I am but I want to make sure I understand what YOU mean by GUID )

This is a beast from the COM world.

MS have invent it to be able provide a unique ID for a COM class in the
scope of planet. 

Exists special Generator, which use e.g. MAC address of computer and time
and it seems location of computer to generate GUID.

This guaranties that two client computer ALWAYS will generate unique ID for
a new record.

It looks as 16 bytes string.

>> These are "CONFLICTS". In the most hard cases human manual task  required,
>> like when we have conflicts workings with CVS.
> 
> Yes, I agree here. This is some form of "error" where the engine
> should report the error and wait for user input before continuing.

> Or better yet, the records that are triggering the CONFLICT condition
> should be put into temp table which can be checked upon ending the
> routine.
> 
> This way batch sync which may take a few hours are not blocked by a
> conflict

Yes, we thinking about TMP table copying of both conflict records.

And probably adding into Valentina Studio some GUI tool to resolve
conflicts.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep  3 08:53:25 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:53:25 -0400
Subject: Vista peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709021542x6d03ed84ra19ecf5cdb059f7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709021542x6d03ed84ra19ecf5cdb059f7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD73E87D-556B-4748-A37A-89D59DEC6F22@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 2, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I'll see if I can find the crash logs and post them as a bug report.

I used a free tool the other day called "Process Monitor" which you  
can get from Microsoft at:

<http://www.sysinternals.com/>

Click on the "Process Utilities" category.

It is a tool that allows you to monitor events generated by your app.  
You can apply filters so only events generated by your application  
are listed. Maybe this will give you an idea of what is going on.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com




From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon Sep  3 10:04:24 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:04:24 +0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <C301BCC4.7C472%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <C301EF18.7C4A4%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/9/07 1:29 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" <sunshine at public.kherson.ua> wrote:

>> Can you explain GUID as datatype ? I am not familiar with it (well
>> maybe I am but I want to make sure I understand what YOU mean by GUID )
> 
> This is a beast from the COM world.

Ops, I did typo, it is UUID

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From david at openpartnership.net  Mon Sep  3 10:54:08 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:54:08 +0100
Subject: Gradients, math and graphs
In-Reply-To: <246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0709030754l1f6ab4f1vcf43de6750fa494a@mail.gmail.com>

Josh - do I remember you mentioning that you had posted this stack to
the list - I'd love to take a look now that I have downloaded
Fireworks :)

On 03/09/07, Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
>
> On Aug 31, 2007, at 2:31 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > Fireworks took 8 minutes to download and $299 :)
>
>
> Ah so, Gimp then:
>
> http://www.gimp.org/
>
>
> I like Fireworks because it will export a folder of images and a
> "guide" doc that can be easily imported into Rev to create a fully
> "skinned" interface.
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep  3 12:43:37 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:43:37 +0200
Subject: DragDrop bug in WinXP?
In-Reply-To: <46DB6462.1030307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210709021443x4baaa9d4j8c3ea882f67e790b@mail.gmail.com>
	<46DB6462.1030307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AFAED2F8-3688-4352-B78C-44E0A2B98DC1@major-k.de>

Hi Jaqueline,

> Chipp Walters wrote:
>> Can anyone verify this simple but strange bug with dragDrop and  
>> WinXP? Thanks!
>> put in msg box:
>> go url "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/DragDropBug.rev"
>> Here's the problem as presented in the above stack:
>> Create a stack and add a field. Set the script of the field to:
>> on dragEnter
>>   set the acceptDrop to true
>> end dragEnter
>> on dragDrop
>>   put the dragData["files"] into me
>> end dragDrop
>> Now, dragdrop some files/folders and everything works fine. But try
>> dragDropping 'My Documents' folder and it doesn't work. Any ideas?
>
> I didn't test on Windows, but on a Mac it just puts the folder path  
> into the field. This seems correct to me, since folders aren't  
> files. I'd test to see if there is a folder with that path, and if  
> so, extend the script to get the files and put them into the field.

maybe the syntax shoud be extended to also support:
the dragData["folders"]

That would come very handy.

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Mon Sep  3 13:31:14 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:31:14 EDT
Subject: Vista peculiarities
Message-ID: <cbe.140548a9.340d9ee2@aol.com>

Hugh: 
> Another gotcha is that the  menubar group needs the following line if  you 
> have a mouseDown  handler to overcome the recent Rev menubar implementation 
 
>  peculiarities...
> 
> on mouseDown
> if the mouse is not  "down" then exit  mouseDown
> .../...
> end  mouseDown

Ken: 
> Nice! I hadn't thought of that! (I was dealing  with it in a different 
> and more complex  manner..)

Richard:
> I haven't had my coffee yet so forgive me if  this should be obvious, but 
> when do you want to not trigger the  mouseDown handler when the mouse 
> isn't down?
>
> I know the  mouseDown handlers in menus are now triggered with 
> command-keys as  well, but wouldn't you want the same menu updating to 
occur?


When  Ctrl/Cmd key is pressed, the mouseDown is activated repeatedly. If the 
mouseDown  does a lot of menu-building and is only needed when the user 
actually selects a  menu, we need a means of escaping all this unecessary activity 
when the mouse is  not down (as in a Ctrl/Cmd shortcut activation). Rather 
esoteric until it bites  you, at which point is becomes very real!  

/H



   


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Sep  3 13:34:43 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:34:43 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Lame Encoder
In-Reply-To: <EAE7C738-C998-4BCF-8B74-2EAA3DAB828B@maseurope.net>
References: <EAE7C738-C998-4BCF-8B74-2EAA3DAB828B@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <558B6232-E1C3-4C08-958C-8132202E4540@byu.edu>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for a nifty little utility. I'm having trouble getting it to  
work, and I think it may be that I don't know exactly how to install  
the LAME lib, or that I didn't modify your script correctly.

I downloaded the pre-built LAME library from http://spaghetticode.org/ 
lame/ and unzipped it. I ended up with a library  
called'libmp3lame.dylib', which I copied to /usr/local/bin. Then I  
modified your stack script to say

   put "/usr/local/bin/libmp3lame.dylib -V" & pQuality into tShellString

Then I chose a WAV file as an input and designated an output folder.  
I clicked the Encode file button, but the only thing that happened  
was that the words "encoding check.mp3" appears above the progress  
bar. The progress bar didn't change and no error message appeared.

Have I configured something wrong? I would really like to use this  
technique in one of my projects.

Thanks,

Devin

On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> I've made a simple GUI for the LAME mp3 encoder using the shell.  
> It's on RevOnline:
>
> Category: General
> Name: Lame Encoder
> User: Mark Smith
>
>
> Only tested on mac OS 10.3 and 10.4, it assumes that you have LAME  
> installed in /opt/local/bin. If you have it installed elsewhere,  
> you'll have to edit the stack script to reflect that.
>
> I've used Sarah Reichelts tip on using shell redirection to a file  
> to enable a progress bar. Thanks, Sarah!
>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Sep  3 14:08:58 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:08:58 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Lame Encoder
In-Reply-To: <558B6232-E1C3-4C08-958C-8132202E4540@byu.edu>
References: <EAE7C738-C998-4BCF-8B74-2EAA3DAB828B@maseurope.net>
	<558B6232-E1C3-4C08-958C-8132202E4540@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <75AD10FD-555C-4A97-854A-BF49D557A95E@maseurope.net>

Devin, I'm not sure if what you downloaded is the command-line  
version of Lame.

If you type "usr/local/bin/lame -v" into the terminal, you should see  
some version info about lame. If you get something like "command not  
found", then you don't have the right library.

I got it via macports (http://www.macports.org/), which is a great  
way of getting and installing any number of command-line utilities  
and apps, most of which can be got at with Rev through shell commands.


Let me know what you find in the terminal...

Best,

Mark

On 3 Sep 2007, at 18:34, Devin Asay wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for a nifty little utility. I'm having trouble getting it to  
> work, and I think it may be that I don't know exactly how to  
> install the LAME lib, or that I didn't modify your script correctly.
>
> I downloaded the pre-built LAME library from http:// 
> spaghetticode.org/lame/ and unzipped it. I ended up with a library  
> called'libmp3lame.dylib', which I copied to /usr/local/bin. Then I  
> modified your stack script to say
>
>   put "/usr/local/bin/libmp3lame.dylib -V" & pQuality into  
> tShellString
>
> Then I chose a WAV file as an input and designated an output  
> folder. I clicked the Encode file button, but the only thing that  
> happened was that the words "encoding check.mp3" appears above the  
> progress bar. The progress bar didn't change and no error message  
> appeared.
>
> Have I configured something wrong? I would really like to use this  
> technique in one of my projects.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Devin
>
> On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
> ist
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From mail at richard-hillen.de  Mon Sep  3 14:35:25 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:35:25 +0200
Subject: test if file exists on http-server
In-Reply-To: <20070903092801.543F4489924@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070903092801.543F4489924@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <63CB4823-FEB2-4B4A-A87E-0097C6BD6F03@richard-hillen.de>

Hello Andre, Hello Jan,
Thank you very much!
Richard.



> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:46:29 +0200
> From: "R. Hillen" <mail at richard-hillen.de>
> Subject: test if file exists on http-server
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <80A36FE4-E1FE-4836-A47C-25DFBC71D66B at richard-hillen.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Hello list,
>
> I have to check some hundred files, if they are available on  http-
> server; as they are big, is there another way than to try to download
> them?
>
> Thank you!
> Richard.
>
>
> ...


>
> Richard,
> use the HEAD method. it will respond with the headers only, no  
> content.
> check the follwing entries in the documentation.
>
> libURLSetCustomHTTPHeaders (you'll use that to assemble a HEAD request
> instead of a GET one)
>
>
> libURLLastRHHTTPHeaders (use this to check what the server answered.)
>
> you may find additional info on the HTTP protocol by reading
>
> http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/http/
>
> best
> andre


>
> That's what the 'HEAD' command is for, but since that
> doesn't seem to be in libURL, here's a helper function
> that I cooked up.
>
> ##
> on mouseUp
> ...

> end qrtHTTP_FileExists
> ##
>
> This function does not take into account the
> possibility that the file was moved and there's a
> redirect to the new location. If you don't intend on
> moving the file, the above should work just fine.
>
> Hope this helped,
>
> Jan Schenkel.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep  3 14:59:28 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:59:28 -0700
Subject: Gradients, math and graphs
Message-ID: <46DC5990.1020908@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> Josh - do I remember you mentioning that you had posted this stack to
> the list - I'd love to take a look now that I have downloaded
> Fireworks :)

Fireworks' unusually high productivity compels me to join the
choir.  In terms of overall ROI, for GUI design Fireworks is to other 
graphics solutions as Rev is to other languages: not perfect, not for 
everyone, but if it does what you need you'll probably have a 
several-fold gain in productivity using it, certainly many times more 
than its cost.

Some folks, including at least a few overpaid-yet-willfully-ignorant
executives at Adobe, will tell you there's nothing you can do with
Fireworks that you can't do with Photoshop.  That may be true, in the
sense that you can drive a nail with a screwdriver or ride a burro to
the office.  Such things are possible, just not optimal.  But moreover,
most of these people have somehow formed this opinion before ever
actually doing any serious task in Fireworks.

If one has only been using inferior workflows it's likely impossible to
imagine how smooth the workday can be with a tool designed from the
ground up specifically for the task at hand.

For making GUIs and web UIs, IMNSHO Fireworks is such a tool.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Sep  3 15:03:09 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:03:09 -0500
Subject: Vista peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <cbe.140548a9.340d9ee2@aol.com>
References: <cbe.140548a9.340d9ee2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070903140309115588.c56641c5@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:31:14 EDT, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:
> When  Ctrl/Cmd key is pressed, the mouseDown is activated repeatedly. 

Is this only on Windows? I know that a number of things are sent 
repeatedly on Windows (like moveStack or resizeStack (if you don't have 
liveResizing turned on) that are only sent when the action is complete 
on OS X.

Either way, though, it is a very real issue...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep  3 17:27:07 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:27:07 -0700
Subject: Vista peculiarities
Message-ID: <46DC7C2B.20106@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:31:14 EDT, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:
>> When  Ctrl/Cmd key is pressed, the mouseDown is activated repeatedly. 
> 
> Is this only on Windows? I know that a number of things are sent 
> repeatedly on Windows (like moveStack or resizeStack (if you don't have 
> liveResizing turned on) that are only sent when the action is complete 
> on OS X.

For clarity for the newcomers here, the resizeStack message is sent 
continuously on OS X when the liveResizing is set to true.  The default 
value for the liveResizing property is false, which was only helpful on 
Classic but on modern systems looks odd.

To help make it easier to create apps which better meet user 
expectations, I've submitted a request to have liveResizing on by default:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5331>

Along these lines, it would be helpful and more consistent if the 
moveStack message were sent continuously on OS X as it is on Win, and 
I've submitted a request for that as well:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4846>

Please consider voting for these if they seem useful to you.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Mon Sep  3 17:55:43 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:55:43 -0700
Subject: Drawers, documentation issue??
In-Reply-To: <46DB0EFF.7050303@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46DA3C34.50300@fourthworld.com>
	<9BB128EA-657B-4081-A107-B051B1766544@cruzio.com>
	<46DB0EFF.7050303@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D019B40D-095D-43AA-8532-88B962E276A2@cruzio.com>

Thanks.  Works well and is simple.

Mark

On Sep 2, 2007, at 12:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>> Does Rev implement disclosure triangles?
>
> It's easy to construct these. Basically:
>
> 1. Import two flipper images to your stack, one in the up position  
> and the other in the down position. Rev supplies these in its image  
> library. Set their visibility to false.
>
> 2. Make a transparent button with its icon as one of the flippers,  
> and its hilitedicon as the other. Set the autohilite of the button  
> to false.
>
> 3. In a mouseup handler in the button script, test the hilite of  
> the button. If it is false, set the hilite of the button to true  
> and do whatever you need to simulate the stack change -- show  
> another stack at a particular position, change the size of the  
> current stack, show different controls, whatever. If the hilite is  
> true, set the hilite to false and do whatever changes are necessary  
> to set the stack back to the default position or settings.
>


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep  3 19:55:00 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:55:00 -0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Alex,

I don't know much about Valentina but I decided to chop in this thread
(which I read and learned much from). If you make a litte server using
Valentina and an HTTP server on front, I'd advise you to work the following
way:

Define a clear HTTP based API for accessing your server. Try to use whats
being called "REST" which is a fancy name for using URLs and HTTP Methods to
simplify interfacing with a server, it's way easier to work with a RESTful
server than working with SOAP.

script your GET requests to acquire data from the DB. You can make your URLs
match your database design. for example, you're building a documentation
database:

  GET  /  (gets all records)
  GET  /category  (gets the categories available)
  GET /category/installing  (get records with category "installing")

The idea is to make sane URLs that are both human readable and machine
processable. If your entries have a timestamp marking the last modification,
you can create a URL such as:

  GET /recentchanges  (get the newest records)
  GET /modified/2007/10/06  (get records modified since 2007/10/06)

This will make easier to detect changes in the DB and replicate the changes
between clients. Use PUT calls to insert data onto your database, you can
put the content of the request as a XML with the fields and data for your
DB. If you're felling bold, you can use smart urls for insertion too.

  PUT /  (all content for the record is inside the request)
  PUT /category/installing  (the "category" for this request is obtained
from the URL)

The above snippet is not as useful as the GET requests, inserting data is
easy, querying data is what makes your system easy to extend and implement.
To modify a record use the POST method. Here it is a good idea to use fancy
urls such as:

  POST /id/1234 (changes record #1234)

Or you can insert all data into the request. The idea of URLs for modifying
data is to be able to query and modify batches of records with a single
request. For example suppose your documentation system has entries tagged as
"draft" or "publish", by switching this status setting you make some FAQ
available to the end user. You can have a request such as:

  POST /drafts/user/Soapdog  (will change all drafts by user "soapdog")

In this request you can simply add the XML to update the draft field to
publish. This can easily be done with SQL queries and in the end, this will
of course become a SQL query somewhere inside the system. The question you
must ask yourself is, do I want to put SQL in my HTTP Requests or should I
build my own XML/URL Dialect to make queries?

The second takes time but pays in the long run since you can tailor your
software to the specific needs of your system/workflow. This option will
make you have the better tool for doing your job since you created a DSL
(domain specific language) that is fine tunned to your job instead of using
the general purpose SQL.

Now getting back to the syncronization problem. Using the smart URLs you can
discover what's been changed in the database and fetch them easily. By
fetching just what you need, you reduce your bandwidth usage and you also
reduce the load on the RevOnRockets server which is single threaded anyway.
You can also make a little MD5 field on your records that you can use as a
locking sytem so that users don't overwrite each other. This MD5 record must
be sent with each POST request, if they don't match the one in the central
database, it means someone else altered the records in the meanwhile and you
should refetch that record and revise your changes.

does this help?
andre

>
>
>
>


From mickclns at mac.com  Mon Sep  3 21:33:30 2007
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:33:30 -0400
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
In-Reply-To: <20070903092801.040784898E8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070903092801.040784898E8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D3AB154B-5DA9-4759-882B-558F5BEEE455@mac.com>

Hello everyone,
I know data can be saved, changed, appended to, etc in text files and  
stacks from standalones, but are there any options for having  
persistent data in standalones that do not require additional files?   
Thanks,
    -  Mick 


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Sep  3 21:41:05 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:41:05 -0700
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
In-Reply-To: <D3AB154B-5DA9-4759-882B-558F5BEEE455@mac.com>
References: <20070903092801.040784898E8@mail.runrev.com>
	<D3AB154B-5DA9-4759-882B-558F5BEEE455@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c30266acbf8f@[192.168.1.112]>

Well you have to save the data somewhere...

If you're on a mac you can save to stacks or files inside the 
executable package. USERS just can't save the executable itself. But 
stuff inside is fair game.

>Hello everyone,
>I know data can be saved, changed, appended to, etc in text files 
>and stacks from standalones, but are there any options for having 
>persistent data in standalones that do not require additional 
>files?  
>Thanks,
>    -  Mick_______________________________________________

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep  3 21:44:28 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:44:28 -0700
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
Message-ID: <46DCB87C.9030007@fourthworld.com>

Mick Collins wrote:
> I know data can be saved, changed, appended to, etc in text files and  
> stacks from standalones, but are there any options for having  
> persistent data in standalones that do not require additional files?   

Not if you want that data to be modified.  Modern OSes generally prevent 
executables from modifying themselves at runtime.

If you're deploying exclusively to OS X you can conceal that you're 
using a separate file by putting it in the bundle.  But for anything 
else, the OS says 'no".

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 21:52:12 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:52:12 +1000
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
In-Reply-To: <D3AB154B-5DA9-4759-882B-558F5BEEE455@mac.com>
References: <20070903092801.040784898E8@mail.runrev.com>
	<D3AB154B-5DA9-4759-882B-558F5BEEE455@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709031852h7519d7a1yddcb80d534d6e662@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/4/07, Mick Collins <mickclns at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> I know data can be saved, changed, appended to, etc in text files and
> stacks from standalones, but are there any options for having
> persistent data in standalones that do not require additional files?

If you go to Standalone settings -> Stacks, there is a checkbox
labelled "Move substacks into individual files". This saves each
sub-stack into it's own .rev file with only the mainStack being part
of the application file. Then all stacks apart from the mainStack are
writable.

On Mac OS X, this is neat as everything is hidden inside the
application bundle. On Windows & Linux I'm not sure what happens.

You might find this article helpful:
<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/saving_data_in_revolution.html>

Cheers,
Sarah


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep  4 04:21:33 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:21:33 +0100
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
Message-ID: <200709040921.33711.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

On Linux you end up with two distinct files, the main and the sub.

This isn't what worries me however.  At the moment, the data file in one case 
is getting to a few tens of thousands of records, and I am seriously worried 
about robustness if either stored in a stack or exported to a csv file.  Do 
you all think it right to be worried, or is this just over caution?

I'd like to use sqlite, but still haven't been able to get ODBC working, but 
that's another story.


Peter


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep  4 04:32:42 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:32:42 -0700
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
Message-ID: <46DD182A.7010404@fourthworld.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

 > At the moment, the data file in one case is getting to a
 > few tens of thousands of records, and I am seriously worried
 > about robustness if either stored in a stack or exported to
 > a csv file.  Do you all think it right to be worried, or is
 > this just over caution?

CSV is evil, so you have cause to be worried. ;)  If you must export to 
a delimited format, try tab-delimited instead.

As for stack files, just this evening I was working on a project I've 
been with off and on for about a decade, and at its core is a set of 
several thousand custom properties.  Over all this time it's held up 
remarkably well.

The only problem we've ever run into was when Rev added support for 
array notation with custom property sets, and even that wouldn't 
normally have been a problem except that we were using array-like 
notation to address flat data.  A few handler changes later and it was 
all good again, and has been doing well in daily use.

Like anything else with that much important data, make backups often. 
But unlike FileMaker or most other page-from-disk systems, as long as 
RAM will let you do what you need you are unlikely to experience corruption.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  4 07:50:27 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:50:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Back in the saddle . . . a few mundane thoughts.
Message-ID: <465878.2642.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So here I am working up lots of companion programs for
the course books I use in my language school with
Primary kids. Fairly mundane and humdrum, but the fact
that my school features some tatty old Pentium 3s
running Ubuntu and sporting my content reinforcement
programs sells the bl**dy place.

However I am greatly assisted by the following:

1. A Belkin Nostromo n52 gamepad;

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=157024

The best 40 bucks I ever spent . . .

Personally, I can't be bothered with computer games,
but the Nostromo Speedpad can be programmed for any
menu command you like - and makes a fantastic
difference with Runtime Revolution; and has saved my
wrists and shoulders.

2. As I program on a Mac for delivery on Linux I
usually take screen shots of text fields that are not
to be editable and import them into RR. By setting the
ScreenShot format to PNG on my Mac I don't need to
spend buckets of time changing graphic format with
Preview of GIMP - just import directly.

3. I have 2 monitors so that I can drop out of RR and
work with GIMP or somesuch else on the other monitor
while keeping my current work stack in full view.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


      ___________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it
now.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ 


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  4 08:01:38 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:01:38 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Physical Limitations - New Yahoo Group
Message-ID: <405234.74916.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please join and let us know your tips and tricks re
coping with the physical aspect of programming.

That does not mean that everybody has to write "I use
my fingers" :)

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRNiftyHints/

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


      ___________________________________________________________ 
Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good  http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html


From alex at harryscollar.com  Tue Sep  4 10:29:00 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:59:00 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
	<7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DD6BAC.1090504@harryscollar.com>

Hi Andre

Thanks for the tips!

I've been working on a similar idea & you have helped assure me I'm on 
the right track :)

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I don't know much about Valentina but I decided to chop in this thread
> (which I read and learned much from). If you make a litte server using
> Valentina and an HTTP server on front, I'd advise you to work the following
> way:
> 
> Define a clear HTTP based API for accessing your server. Try to use whats
> being called "REST" which is a fancy name for using URLs and HTTP Methods to
> simplify interfacing with a server, it's way easier to work with a RESTful
> server than working with SOAP.
> 
> script your GET requests to acquire data from the DB. You can make your URLs
> match your database design. for example, you're building a documentation
> database:
> 
>   GET  /  (gets all records)
>   GET  /category  (gets the categories available)
>   GET /category/installing  (get records with category "installing")
> 

I agree it would be easy to just create a custom protocol using sockets 
but using URL/XPath style namespaces is more flexible and can be 
utilised down the track for other types of clients (ie web browsers, 
flash etc).

> The idea is to make sane URLs that are both human readable and machine
> processable. If your entries have a timestamp marking the last modification,
> you can create a URL such as:
> 
>   GET /recentchanges  (get the newest records)
>   GET /modified/2007/10/06  (get records modified since 2007/10/06)
> 
> This will make easier to detect changes in the DB and replicate the changes
> between clients. Use PUT calls to insert data onto your database, you can
> put the content of the request as a XML with the fields and data for your
> DB. If you're felling bold, you can use smart urls for insertion too.
> 
>   PUT /  (all content for the record is inside the request)
>   PUT /category/installing  (the "category" for this request is obtained
> from the URL)
> 
> The above snippet is not as useful as the GET requests, inserting data is
> easy, querying data is what makes your system easy to extend and implement.
> To modify a record use the POST method. Here it is a good idea to use fancy
> urls such as:
> 
>   POST /id/1234 (changes record #1234)
> 
> Or you can insert all data into the request. The idea of URLs for modifying
> data is to be able to query and modify batches of records with a single
> request. For example suppose your documentation system has entries tagged as
> "draft" or "publish", by switching this status setting you make some FAQ
> available to the end user. You can have a request such as:
> 
>   POST /drafts/user/Soapdog  (will change all drafts by user "soapdog")
> 
> In this request you can simply add the XML to update the draft field to
> publish. This can easily be done with SQL queries and in the end, this will
> of course become a SQL query somewhere inside the system. The question you
> must ask yourself is, do I want to put SQL in my HTTP Requests or should I
> build my own XML/URL Dialect to make queries?

The interface allows "admins" to attach SQL statements to objects but I 
plan to move away from this & parse XML control statements.. with the 
smart custom http server interpreting smart urls.

> 
> The second takes time but pays in the long run since you can tailor your
> software to the specific needs of your system/workflow. This option will
> make you have the better tool for doing your job since you created a DSL
> (domain specific language) that is fine tunned to your job instead of using
> the general purpose SQL.
> 
> Now getting back to the syncronization problem. Using the smart URLs you can
> discover what's been changed in the database and fetch them easily. By
> fetching just what you need, you reduce your bandwidth usage and you also
> reduce the load on the RevOnRockets server which is single threaded anyway.
> You can also make a little MD5 field on your records that you can use as a
> locking sytem so that users don't overwrite each other. This MD5 record must
> be sent with each POST request, if they don't match the one in the central
> database, it means someone else altered the records in the meanwhile and you
> should refetch that record and revise your changes.
> 
> does this help?
> andre
> 

Yes, again thanks Andre, it does indeed help in many ways.

I'm still finalising table structures & basically plan to use the 
relational database in an object-orientated way with rev looking after 
final viewing structure. Ignoring the boos & hisses from the "serious" 
database people, who seem to emphasise that not only should data be 
stored in the database but also a certain level of function..

Fortunately we have a great tool called "Revolution" that makes this 
possible.. well, it works for me and certainly this project.

User can ultimately only change one bit of information at a time so I 
plan to embed another customised rev http server within the client apps 
so that the main management server can push updates in real-time to each 
client. It can then send updates down a chain of backup/replication 
servers if need be.

The synchronization should now be quite flexible based on a few simple 
rules. ie. user conflicts are overridden by main server but admins can 
choose from a number of options.

Instead of MD5 I will probably use a SHA1/HMAC approach (nice 
implementation Mark!) so all communication messages can be authenticated.

Certain data will be encrypted locally but can go either way on whether 
to encrypt comms on-the-fly or use vpn (which is probably the easier 
option & more flexible). Currently larger files are just send via ftp, 
with all machines running a ftp server, and the custom management server 
sorting things out after transfers are complete. Would be nice to 
implement a custom embedded ftp server (to keep things under the same 
roof) but would rather concentrate on other more important issues.

Anyway, see how we go ;)


regards
alex


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep  4 11:17:03 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:17:03 -0300
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DD6BAC.1090504@harryscollar.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>
	<7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>
	<46DD6BAC.1090504@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709040817n5d2d2fa5w19ff137b31a0d72@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Alex,

check my RevOnline space under "soapdog", I've put a simple FTP server in
there, all transcript ;-)
You need to have a ftpRoot folder next to this stack, this root folder is
where it looks for files and folders.

Cheers
andre


From alex at harryscollar.com  Tue Sep  4 12:14:41 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:44:41 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709040817n5d2d2fa5w19ff137b31a0d72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>	<7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>	<46DD6BAC.1090504@harryscollar.com>
	<7c87a2a10709040817n5d2d2fa5w19ff137b31a0d72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DD8471.7080107@harryscollar.com>

Hi Andre

Good start!

Obviously needs some work, eg. "STOR" command & ability to handle large 
files.

I've started a few modifications already :) ie. clearing gWorkLog & 
adding explicit variables.

My priority is obviously on the other job but would really like to help 
get this finished, in fact it would make a good community project. But 
they don't really seem to take off in the rev community, that I can 
recall. Maybe we're all too busy on our own projects :)

But that is another topic.

Anyway, I will examine it further when I can.

regards
alex

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hello Alex,
> 
> check my RevOnline space under "soapdog", I've put a simple FTP server in
> there, all transcript ;-)
> You need to have a ftpRoot folder next to this stack, this root folder is
> where it looks for files and folders.
> 


From alex at harryscollar.com  Tue Sep  4 12:15:53 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:45:53 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709040817n5d2d2fa5w19ff137b31a0d72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>	<7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>	<46DD6BAC.1090504@harryscollar.com>
	<7c87a2a10709040817n5d2d2fa5w19ff137b31a0d72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DD84B9.1050707@harryscollar.com>

Hi Andre

Good start!

Obviously needs some work, eg. "STOR" command & ability to handle large 
files.

I've started a few modifications already :) ie. clearing gWorkLog & 
adding explicit variables.

My priority is obviously on the other job but would really like to help 
get this finished, in fact it would make a good community project. But 
they don't really seem to take off in the rev community, that I can 
recall. Maybe we're all too busy on our own projects :)

But that is another topic.

Anyway, I will examine it further when I can.

regards
alex

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hello Alex,
> 
> check my RevOnline space under "soapdog", I've put a simple FTP server in
> there, all transcript ;-)
> You need to have a ftpRoot folder next to this stack, this root folder is
> where it looks for files and folders.
> 


From alex at harryscollar.com  Tue Sep  4 12:48:45 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:18:45 +0930
Subject: Data synchronization
In-Reply-To: <46DD84B9.1050707@harryscollar.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>	<46DB8F08.9060709@harryscollar.com>	<7c87a2a10709031655p5b6b91a3o8d8b37369ff0e92f@mail.gmail.com>	<46DD6BAC.1090504@harryscollar.com>	<7c87a2a10709040817n5d2d2fa5w19ff137b31a0d72@mail.gmail.com>
	<46DD84B9.1050707@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <46DD8C6D.4040900@harryscollar.com>

Hi

More info on this couchDB thing..

http://jan.prima.de/~jan/plok/archives/72-Some-Context.html

.. Hmm, definitely on the right track ;)

Staying with Rev/Valentina at the moment but some good ideas are presented.

I have two books on Erlang, maybe one day I will read them :)

regards
alex


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Sep  4 13:18:03 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:18:03 -0700
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <46DA1CF1.9050907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>
	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>
	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>
	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com> <46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>
	<46DA1CF1.9050907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0FD6733F-9105-4B5A-92F5-AF849D977077@canelasoftware.com>


On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Luis wrote:
>> A plain text file should do it, with the MAC code encrypted.
>
> That's what I'm thinking. But encrypted or not, anyone who copies  
> it will have access to the software.
>
> (I'm starting to wonder if I care...) ;)

How about having the server run a validation app full time.  It can  
periodically check to see that it is installed legally on the server  
by checking the MAC address and then generating the appropriate key.   
If they both match as expected it continues to run.  The server app  
is listening to a port where the clients ping for validation from the  
server app on their startup.

On an illegal install, the server validation app will not allow the  
clients to run when they check in on startup.  The only negative is  
that you have to have an app running on the server.  Should not be a  
big deal.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep  4 13:23:20 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:23:20 -0300
Subject: question about MacOS X title and tool bars.
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709041023t769e2f79r3ddf0b320555a27b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,
I wish to make my title bar extend to include my toolbar like the current
mac os x apps does. Is there anyway to do that except using a custom fake
windowshape to mimic this?

Andre


From rbarber6 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 00:35:18 2007
From: rbarber6 at gmail.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:35:18 +0900
Subject: Pasting Unicode into Word problems
In-Reply-To: <554F5681-5B87-4ADB-8127-837A08D5353A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <6037FE4E-AF78-4403-A785-A48958AEC65E@nul.se>
	<C8CECBF4-41D8-4442-965C-0D9B2159409F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EB768B86-C554-477B-B7B3-AE865172A183@maseurope.net>
	<554F5681-5B87-4ADB-8127-837A08D5353A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <0165945E-BDC4-4910-9C23-820D057C7818@gmail.com>

Greetings,

I have been trying to copy text from a fld with Japanese text and  
then paste it into a Word document. The copy works fine but it pastes  
"mojibake" or junk characters into the Word document.

This can be overcome by selecting 'Paste Special' from the Edit menu  
of Word and choosing nonformatted text. But isn't there a way to send  
Word something it can handle without this extra step? My inquiring  
users want to know.

I have tried setting the clipboarddata but perhaps I'm doing  
something wrong because the results are the same. Is there a way to  
send Word something it can work with?


BTW Pages, Textwrangler, Jedit X, and Textedit work but Word and  
Appleworks do not.

Thanks
Ron


From mickclns at mac.com  Tue Sep  4 13:45:06 2007
From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:45:06 -0400
Subject: Persistence options in standalones
In-Reply-To: <20070904170005.0F4A3488F8F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070904170005.0F4A3488F8F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <72407044-3067-44B0-BC6A-D93D85ABB4D0@mac.com>

Thanks everyone, especially for your article, Sarah.


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep  4 14:28:20 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:28:20 +0100
Subject: Stack window flashes on resize
Message-ID: <54F67CAE-F969-42CB-9728-C6922711E78E@maseurope.net>

Hi, all, I've searched the archives but not found anything that works.

Rev 2.8.1, MacIntel OS X 10.4.10

This is my script (in the script of a 'disclosure triangle' button):

on openup
   put the rect of this stack into tRect
   put item 2 of tRect + 400 into item 4 of tRect
   set the rect of this stack to tRect
end openup

When it executes, the newly revealed part of the window (it's height  
prior to this is 360) flashes white before the bg pattern is applied.

Using 'lock screen' makes no difference, unfortunatley. I also tried  
Scott Rossi's workaround of moving the stack offscreen, resizing and  
then moving it back. This seems to work smoothly about 1 time in 10,  
the other 9 times I see the disappearance and reappearance. Adding  
'lock screen' at various points solved that problem, but somehow re- 
introduces the white flash.

I also tried hiding and showing the stack, but again, that's visible  
unless used with 'lock screen', when the white flash reappears.

Can this be done? If not, it certainly doesn't encourage the use of  
disclosure triangles in non-white-background stacks, which is what  
I'm trying to do, as I'm not that keen on drawers.

Any ideas most welcome,

Mark


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Sep  4 14:34:53 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:34:53 -0500
Subject: question about MacOS X title and tool bars.
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709041023t769e2f79r3ddf0b320555a27b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709041023t769e2f79r3ddf0b320555a27b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070904133453059118.f6ddc551@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:23:20 -0300, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Hello Friends,
> I wish to make my title bar extend to include my toolbar like the current
> mac os x apps does. Is there anyway to do that except using a custom fake
> windowshape to mimic this?

You mean the white roundRect control in the title bar that lets you 
show/hide the toolbar? If so, then you're right - the only way to do 
this at the moment is with a custom windowshape. If you mean something 
else, please explain (I'm a bit thick sometimes :-) ...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Sep  4 14:39:32 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:39:32 -0500
Subject: Stack window flashes on resize
In-Reply-To: <54F67CAE-F969-42CB-9728-C6922711E78E@maseurope.net>
References: <54F67CAE-F969-42CB-9728-C6922711E78E@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <20070904133932171326.6a7dc1bd@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:28:20 +0100, Mark Smith wrote:

> Hi, all, I've searched the archives but not found anything that works.
> 
> Rev 2.8.1, MacIntel OS X 10.4.10
> 
> This is my script (in the script of a 'disclosure triangle' button):
> 
> on openup
>   put the rect of this stack into tRect
>   put item 2 of tRect + 400 into item 4 of tRect
>   set the rect of this stack to tRect
> end openup
> 
> When it executes, the newly revealed part of the window (it's height 
> prior to this is 360) flashes white before the bg pattern is applied.

Well, here's a really weird possible workaround - put everything into a 
group that is the size of the card, and set its lockLoc to true. Set 
the backgroundPattern of the *group*, not the stack, and then when you 
resize with the button, change the rect of the group *first* before you 
change the rest of the stack.

It's the only thing I could think of...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep  4 15:16:38 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:16:38 +0200
Subject: Pasting Unicode into Word problems
In-Reply-To: <0165945E-BDC4-4910-9C23-820D057C7818@gmail.com>
References: <6037FE4E-AF78-4403-A785-A48958AEC65E@nul.se>
	<C8CECBF4-41D8-4442-965C-0D9B2159409F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EB768B86-C554-477B-B7B3-AE865172A183@maseurope.net>
	<554F5681-5B87-4ADB-8127-837A08D5353A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<0165945E-BDC4-4910-9C23-820D057C7818@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D95C7B4-02F4-440E-9AA7-DBF5A9C5AA31@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ron,

When I paste text in Word, a small clipboard symbol appears, floating  
next to the text. If you click on this symbol, you can choose Keep  
Text Only from a menu and get the correct unicode text.

Have you checked if there is a customization option available, which  
allows you to insert an additional menu item into the Edit menu?  
There may be a custom menu item Paste Unformatted Text, but I haven't  
checked this myself.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
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Op 3-sep-2007, om 6:35 heeft Ron het volgende geschreven:

> Greetings,
>
> I have been trying to copy text from a fld with Japanese text and  
> then paste it into a Word document. The copy works fine but it  
> pastes "mojibake" or junk characters into the Word document.
>
> This can be overcome by selecting 'Paste Special' from the Edit  
> menu of Word and choosing nonformatted text. But isn't there a way  
> to send Word something it can handle without this extra step? My  
> inquiring users want to know.
>
> I have tried setting the clipboarddata but perhaps I'm doing  
> something wrong because the results are the same. Is there a way to  
> send Word something it can work with?
>
>
> BTW Pages, Textwrangler, Jedit X, and Textedit work but Word and  
> Appleworks do not.
>
> Thanks
> Ron
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep  4 16:16:31 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:16:31 +0100
Subject: Stack window flashes on resize
In-Reply-To: <20070904133932171326.6a7dc1bd@sonsothunder.com>
References: <54F67CAE-F969-42CB-9728-C6922711E78E@maseurope.net>
	<20070904133932171326.6a7dc1bd@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6E5F7DEC-41DB-463A-BAA4-D7610C8DE93B@maseurope.net>

Thanks, Ken. In fact  I came up with a slightly more elaborate  
workaround - I made a substack with the same bg pattern, set it's  
decorations to empty, and then when opening the disclosure triangle,  
position it and open it as a palette, then close it again when ready.  
It actually works pretty well!

Best,

Mark

On 4 Sep 2007, at 19:39, Ken Ray wrote:


>
> Well, here's a really weird possible workaround - put everything  
> into a
> group that is the size of the card, and set its lockLoc to true. Set
> the backgroundPattern of the *group*, not the stack, and then when you
> resize with the button, change the rect of the group *first* before  
> you
> change the rest of the stack.
>
> It's the only thing I could think of...
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:21:37 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:21:37 +1000
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
Message-ID: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.

I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.

Thanks,
Sarah


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:28:42 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:28:42 -0600
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0CE6E17-DC41-45CE-8592-2E2115F92465@gmail.com>

Hello.

Although Parallels is a great product and I know many people who like  
it a lot, have you looked into using VMWare instead? Apart from being  
the well-established experts in the industry, VMWare Fusion uses more  
acceptable means for hooking into your Mac from a behind the scenes  
perspective whereas Parallels integrates in a less than graceful  
fashion. I use VMWare with Revolution and it doesn't have a problem,  
either.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Fiery Ferret

On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
> remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
> properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
> other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
> libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
> externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
> that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.
>
> I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
> shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 19:33:36 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:33:36 +1000
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <B0CE6E17-DC41-45CE-8592-2E2115F92465@gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0CE6E17-DC41-45CE-8592-2E2115F92465@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709041633n7117d9fr2a36f3a233281778@mail.gmail.com>

No I haven't looked at VMWare Brent, but I will give it a go. I love
this list, there are always people who know something about
everything!

Cheers,
Sarah


On 9/5/07, Brent Anderson <brentj84062 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Although Parallels is a great product and I know many people who like
> it a lot, have you looked into using VMWare instead? Apart from being
> the well-established experts in the industry, VMWare Fusion uses more
> acceptable means for hooking into your Mac from a behind the scenes
> perspective whereas Parallels integrates in a less than graceful
> fashion. I use VMWare with Revolution and it doesn't have a problem,
> either.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Fiery Ferret
>
> On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
> > remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
> > properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
> > other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
> > libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
> > externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
> > that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.
> >
> > I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
> > shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep  4 19:52:39 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:52:39 -0700
Subject: [OT] Valveeta cheese database.
References: <422811.82158.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fbkr49$j4b$1@sea.gmane.org>

Richmond-

!!! I'm surprised at you. You know full well that cheese is one of the three 
forbidden topics on this listserv !!! I expect to see castigation from the 
listmom any second now.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep  4 20:12:28 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:12:28 -0300
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709041633n7117d9fr2a36f3a233281778@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0CE6E17-DC41-45CE-8592-2E2115F92465@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860709041633n7117d9fr2a36f3a233281778@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709041712w70460cd7p36aaefced7a12efd@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah,
I have both VMWare Fusion and Parallels 3.0. I was a heavy parallels user
but when I begun my GSoC work, Haiku would not run under parallels, so I
migrated to VMWare Fusion. I bought both during their beta period so I paid
less than 100 USD for both products.

Both are very very good. I feel that VMWare uses less CPU, parallels appears
frozen more often, but I use them for different OSes anyway. I run linux and
haiku (linux 64bits) under VMWare and windows under parallels.

They all have similar features, but I'd think I'd stay with VMWare for now.

Andre

On 9/4/07, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No I haven't looked at VMWare Brent, but I will give it a go. I love
> this list, there are always people who know something about
> everything!
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
> On 9/5/07, Brent Anderson <brentj84062 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > Although Parallels is a great product and I know many people who like
> > it a lot, have you looked into using VMWare instead? Apart from being
> > the well-established experts in the industry, VMWare Fusion uses more
> > acceptable means for hooking into your Mac from a behind the scenes
> > perspective whereas Parallels integrates in a less than graceful
> > fashion. I use VMWare with Revolution and it doesn't have a problem,
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brent Anderson
> > Fiery Ferret
> >
> > On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
> > > remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
> > > properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
> > > other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
> > > libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
> > > externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
> > > that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.
> > >
> > > I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
> > > shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.
> _______________________________________________
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> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep  4 22:07:49 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:07:49 -0500
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DE0F75.80209@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
> remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
> properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now?

I only had one redraw problem, when setting the cursor to "none". 
Everything else works fine. I did buy the newer 3.0 update but haven't 
had time to install it yet, so it may be fixed by now.

> Are there any
> other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
> libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
> externals?

I haven't had any problems with externals at all, even with my older 
copy of Parallels. Everything I've thrown at it has worked so far. One 
of my projects uses libURL extensively without any trouble. Haven't 
tried RevBrowser yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I haven't ever tried VMWare.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep  4 22:09:51 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:09:51 -0500
Subject: Remote MAC address on Windows
In-Reply-To: <0FD6733F-9105-4B5A-92F5-AF849D977077@canelasoftware.com>
References: <46D85C74.1030305@hyperactivesw.com>	<7c87a2a10708311259p32c2395akf2abe16fcfa1aa57@mail.gmail.com>	<46D89529.3060705@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D89753.3060102@tweedly.net>	<46D8C02B.9080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<46D9EBF6.7020703@tweedly.net>	<46D9F208.6060909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46DA059B.6060709@anachreon.co.uk>	<46DA1CF1.9050907@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0FD6733F-9105-4B5A-92F5-AF849D977077@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <46DE0FEF.7050602@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Talluto wrote:

> How about having the server run a validation app full time.  It can 
> periodically check to see that it is installed legally on the server by 
> checking the MAC address and then generating the appropriate key.  If 
> they both match as expected it continues to run.  The server app is 
> listening to a port where the clients ping for validation from the 
> server app on their startup.
> 
> On an illegal install, the server validation app will not allow the 
> clients to run when they check in on startup.  The only negative is that 
> you have to have an app running on the server.  Should not be a big deal.

That might be workable, I'll put it on the list. Thanks for the idea.

For now, we've decided to forget about remote access and leave things 
the way they are. Time is short, so we'll tackle this in the next 
update. At least I have a couple of different things to try now.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Sep  5 04:09:58 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:09:58 +0200
Subject: reading, writing ini files?
Message-ID: <000501c7ef94$29294fc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I didn't find a function for reading / writing (windows-) ini files. Is
there a prefab rev function for ini files with its sections? If not there
are probably tons of self made functions.

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

 



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  5 04:24:59 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:24:59 +0200
Subject: reading, writing ini files?
In-Reply-To: <000501c7ef94$29294fc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000501c7ef94$29294fc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <5BC05FB7-DDB7-4C14-B0DD-53A3BB585A68@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tiemo,

This should get you started:

<http://runrev.info/INI%20file%20information.htm>

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 5-sep-2007, om 10:09 heeft Tiemo Hollmann TB het volgende geschreven:

> Hello,
>
> I didn't find a function for reading / writing (windows-) ini  
> files. Is
> there a prefab rev function for ini files with its sections? If not  
> there
> are probably tons of self made functions.
>
> Thank you
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Sep  5 04:25:35 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:25:35 +0100
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>

Thought of using Boot Camp? http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

Cheers,

Luis.


On 5 Sep 2007, at 00:21, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
> remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
> properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
> other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
> libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
> externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
> that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.
>
> I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
> shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  5 04:33:33 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:33:33 +0200
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C84B22BC-7F6C-46CB-AC72-E751CF3BD05F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Luis, Sarah,

Parallels is really much more practical than Bootcamp, which requires  
a restart. On the other hand, Bootcamp allows you to choose from more  
than 2 operating systems:

<http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Triple_Boot_via_BootCamp>

which makes Bootcamp interesting again.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 5-sep-2007, om 10:25 heeft Luis het volgende geschreven:

> Thought of using Boot Camp? http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Sep  5 04:38:24 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:38:24 +0200
Subject: AW: reading, writing ini files?
In-Reply-To: <5BC05FB7-DDB7-4C14-B0DD-53A3BB585A68@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7ef98$1fee3200$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thank you Mark - a former ToolBook developer?
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. September 2007 10:25
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: reading, writing ini files?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> This should get you started:
> 
> <http://runrev.info/INI%20file%20information.htm>
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.
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> 
> 
> Op 5-sep-2007, om 10:09 heeft Tiemo Hollmann TB het volgende geschreven:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I didn't find a function for reading / writing (windows-) ini
> > files. Is
> > there a prefab rev function for ini files with its sections? If not
> > there
> > are probably tons of self made functions.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From paolo.mazza at neol.it  Wed Sep  5 06:13:10 2007
From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:13:10 +0200
Subject: revdb_execute problem
In-Reply-To: <12204424.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <46C55949.79FAA562@club-internet.fr>
	<12204424.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <fc.000f58e500d902543b9aca00603ab99e.d90276@fc.neol.it>

Hi Mark, you wrote:

>With my experience using MS SQL, you define one statement (such as your
>UPDATE), then on the next line type in "go" (without the double quotes),
>then on the next line your next statement, then the "go" on the next line,
>etc. The program "throws" that to SQL and executes all the statements,
>sequentially.
>I haven't tried this from Rev, but we use this in our product whenever we
>deliver a "patch" for a customer to update/fix data - no problem.

I tryed this. It does not work with the revExecuteSQL command.
I got this error message from the MySQL server:
"You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds
to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'go ..."

Ciao Paolo

******************************************

Paolo Mazza
NEOL SRL
Societ? partecipata da Universit? di Padova
via N. Tommaseo 84
35131 - Padova (Italy)
Tel 049- 2050147 - Fax 049-7964386
www.neol.it



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 06:25:30 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:25:30 +1000
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709050325g7e0ea206j6cbb1227b486bc9f@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using BootCamp, but having to reboot completely tends to
stop me using it. I would prefer a solution that allowed me to run
Windows/Linux without having to stop the Mac.

Sarah


On 9/5/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
> Thought of using Boot Camp? http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Luis.
>
>
> On 5 Sep 2007, at 00:21, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
> > remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
> > properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
> > other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
> > libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
> > externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
> > that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.
> >
> > I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
> > shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sarah
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Sep  5 09:43:50 2007
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:43:50 +0200
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709050325g7e0ea206j6cbb1227b486bc9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>
	<f99b52860709050325g7e0ea206j6cbb1227b486bc9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D46AD2FF-1B16-47D6-B6A0-595F36F892FF@skynet.be>


Le 05-sept.-07 ? 12:25, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> I have been using BootCamp, but having to reboot completely tends to
> stop me using it. I would prefer a solution that allowed me to run
> Windows/Linux without having to stop the Mac.
>
> Sarah
>

Hi Sarah,

I use VMWare fusion on my mac to test my builds for windows and I'm  
very happy with.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be





From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Sep  5 10:09:03 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:09:03 -0700
Subject: copy/paste still buggy?
Message-ID: <34D27579-1EE9-444C-B1A5-99D0C4E392C6@cruzio.com>

I just spent several minutes trying to copy and paste a group (just a  
couple of lines) within a group.  The keyboard shortcuts wouldn't  
work, nor would the menus.  Finally I quit Rev, restarted it, and had  
another go at it, and the third time it worked.  I tried copy/paste,  
duplicate, and replicate with no result.  I thought this situation  
was remedied?

-Mark

OSX 10.4, Rev Studio 2.8.1 build 472

The future will be better tomorrow.
-Dan Quayle



From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Wed Sep  5 11:08:37 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:08:37 +0200
Subject: Help with shell() script
In-Reply-To: <81eb34c40708291042q317281adn6366cc4927fb409e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF3A83CF57.227BD94E-ONC1257346.0051E201-C1257346.00523B36@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<OF7163A9AF.E951864B-ONC1257346.0052C3EC-C1257346.0052EE56@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<46D5B976.26005.B77B467@p.williams.alkazar.net>
	<81eb34c40708291042q317281adn6366cc4927fb409e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4619F69F-A239-4531-8E4C-5897D143CF80@free.fr>

Hi,

What about using  "open process"....
See in the doc it's quite well documented.

I managed years ago to build kind of front end to one of my app.

HTH

Regards,
Thierry



> Unfortunately running a shell "interactively" is not possible...
>
> You can execute any written batch though...
> React on the file logs or results returns via a shell...
> Persistent data and variables may vary on mileage and usage...
> Plan around it, that's the way i know...
>>
>> Yes Xavier,
>> this is the problem, I am trying to script the openssl shell.
>> I can run a single command from the cmd.exe shell but it quits at  
>> the end,
>> what I need is a way to open the opessl shell and then read and write
>> shell
>> commands to it but the '/C' keeps gettng in the way.
>>
>> Has anybody else had any success with working with this?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> I checked it with a little script:
>>>
>>> set the shellcommand to "c:\apps\cygwin\ls.exe"
>>> get shell("") -- needs the quotes apparently or it wont compile
>>> answer it
>>>
>>> when you execute this you will see again the damn /c in the error
>>> message
>>>
>>> Tested quickly in MetaCard... should be the same in Rev...
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Xavier
>>>
>>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 29/08/2007
>>> 16:58:10:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> The problem, if im correct, is that you are assigning the shell to
>>> be
>>> the
>>>> exe to be exectuted in the shell...
>>>>
>>>> Set the shellcommand to "cmd.exe" -- reset it to what it should be
>>> - if
>>> im
>>>> correct... i didn't know we could set "dir" and the shell
>>> command!
>>>> get shell(filepath && "Version")
>>>>
>>>> should work better IMOHO...
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately i dont have the openssl.exe from cygwin to test.
>>>>
>>>> hope that helps
>>>> cheers
>>>> Xavier
>>>>
>>>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 29/08/2007
>>> 16:44:59:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to use the openssl function within cygwin in
>>> windows.
>>>>> The following is the script, instead of sending the command
>>> 'version'
>>> to
>>>>> openssl it appears to be sending "/C" as the result quotes that
>>> "/C"
>>> is
>>>> not
>>>>> a valid command.
>>>>>
>>>>> The it variable contains:
>>>>> "openssl:Error: '/C' is an invalid command.
>>>>> Standard commands
>>>>> asn1parse ....... "
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting 'version' in at the prompt works OK.
>>>>> What am I doing wrong and where does the "/C" come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>>   set the hideconsolewindows to true
>>>>>   put   "c:\cygwin\bin\openssl.exe" into filepath
>>>>>   open process filepath
>>>>>   set shellcommand to "c:\cygwin\bin\openssl.exe"
>>>>>   put "version" into shellc
>>>>>   get shell("version")
>>>>>    answer it
>>>>>  end mouseUp



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Sep  5 11:42:00 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:42:00 +0100
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <D46AD2FF-1B16-47D6-B6A0-595F36F892FF@skynet.be>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<A56410FB-BF34-4CB4-ADB7-1645316630A0@anachreon.co.uk>
	<f99b52860709050325g7e0ea206j6cbb1227b486bc9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<D46AD2FF-1B16-47D6-B6A0-595F36F892FF@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <E81BAADE-8EF4-4177-B495-6AB63B661186@anachreon.co.uk>

I used to use Q to run some PPC Linux images: http://www.kju-app.org/ 
kju/

Based on QEMU: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/

You can find some disk images here: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/ 
qemu/download.html

I think it's a Universal Binary now, but I haven't used it for a long  
while.

Cheers,

Luis.



On 5 Sep 2007, at 14:43, Yves COPPE wrote:

>
> Le 05-sept.-07 ? 12:25, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
>
>> I have been using BootCamp, but having to reboot completely tends to
>> stop me using it. I would prefer a solution that allowed me to run
>> Windows/Linux without having to stop the Mac.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> I use VMWare fusion on my mac to test my builds for windows and I'm  
> very happy with.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
>
>
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Wed Sep  5 12:22:42 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revdb_execute problem
In-Reply-To: <fc.000f58e500d902543b9aca00603ab99e.d90276@fc.neol.it>
References: <46C55949.79FAA562@club-internet.fr>
	<12204424.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<fc.000f58e500d902543b9aca00603ab99e.d90276@fc.neol.it>
Message-ID: <12505316.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Paolo, I'm not familiar with the "go" command in MySQL.
Please check the help for multiple commands in MySQL.
This may help...
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/batch-mode.html




paolo mazza wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark, you wrote:
> 
>>With my experience using MS SQL, you define one statement (such as your
>>UPDATE), then on the next line type in "go" (without the double quotes),
>>then on the next line your next statement, then the "go" on the next line,
>>etc. The program "throws" that to SQL and executes all the statements,
>>sequentially.
>>I haven't tried this from Rev, but we use this in our product whenever we
>>deliver a "patch" for a customer to update/fix data - no problem.
> 
> I tryed this. It does not work with the revExecuteSQL command.
> I got this error message from the MySQL server:
> "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds
> to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'go ..."
> 
> Ciao Paolo
> 
> ******************************************
> 
> Paolo Mazza
> NEOL SRL
> Societ? partecipata da Universit? di Padova
> via N. Tommaseo 84
> 35131 - Padova (Italy)
> Tel 049- 2050147 - Fax 049-7964386
> www.neol.it
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep  5 18:01:47 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:01:47 -0700
Subject: [Not Quite OT]  Possible Fix for PNG Color Shift
Message-ID: <C304755B.2DFF4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Greetings List:

For any of you who work a lot with PNG images in your stacks (or elsewhere),
you might be familiar with the slight color shift that is often introduced
into the files by the apps that generate them (Adobe apps are some that
cause this problem, as well as inconsistent PNG support in Web browsers).

Recently I came across a free Windows application called PngOptimizer that
removes what it calls "useless" information from PNGs, making the images
display as expected.

http://psydk.org/PngOptimizer

Drag any files from the desktop onto the running app, and it creates new
files with the extraneous data removed.  I've tried half a dozen
apps/plugins that claim to solve this problem, but in my initial tests, this
one seems to work.  YMMV.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep  5 18:59:17 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:59:17 -0700
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
Message-ID: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>

If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces it  
with a colon ":"

Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.

Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev  
interprets this as an extra folder.

Has anyone solved this problem?


From robmann at gp-racing.com  Wed Sep  5 19:01:24 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:01:24 -0400
Subject: copy/paste still buggy?
In-Reply-To: <34D27579-1EE9-444C-B1A5-99D0C4E392C6@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAPXzrxwqZBVCrWSJ9fdJov8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I am not able to copy/paste multiple objects at once either, only one at a
time
Winxp, rev studio 2.8.1 build 470

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Swindell
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:09 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: copy/paste still buggy?

I just spent several minutes trying to copy and paste a group (just a  
couple of lines) within a group.  The keyboard shortcuts wouldn't  
work, nor would the menus.  Finally I quit Rev, restarted it, and had  
another go at it, and the third time it worked.  I tried copy/paste,  
duplicate, and replicate with no result.  I thought this situation  
was remedied?

-Mark

OSX 10.4, Rev Studio 2.8.1 build 472

The future will be better tomorrow.
-Dan Quayle

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  5 19:05:17 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:05:17 +0200
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>

Josh,

I don't see this happen under normal circumstances. Can you post an  
example script or give more details?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 6-sep-2007, om 0:59 heeft Josh Mellicker het volgende geschreven:

> If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces  
> it with a colon ":"
>
> Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.
>
> Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev  
> interprets this as an extra folder.
>
> Has anyone solved this problem?



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep  5 19:11:39 2007
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:39 -0700
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <20070905170005.3DC77488F96@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070905170005.3DC77488F96@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0318EB3A-5A56-42A4-8381-00765A5B6CE5@sbcglobal.net>

According to the recent (October) issue of Macworld (pg. 84), "the  
most significant difference right now [between Parallels and Fusion]  
is that Fusion offers clipboard integration so that it is easier to  
cut and paste between [operating systems.]"

Jim


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  5 19:20:36 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:20:36 +0200
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <0318EB3A-5A56-42A4-8381-00765A5B6CE5@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20070905170005.3DC77488F96@mail.runrev.com>
	<0318EB3A-5A56-42A4-8381-00765A5B6CE5@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <15B8BA0F-5F25-4673-A598-29CF507DF147@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

Parallels offers clipboard integration too, but I don't know how it  
compares to Fusion's.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 6-sep-2007, om 1:11 heeft James Hurley het volgende geschreven:

> According to the recent (October) issue of Macworld (pg. 84), "the  
> most significant difference right now [between Parallels and  
> Fusion] is that Fusion offers clipboard integration so that it is  
> easier to cut and paste between [operating systems.]"
>
> Jim


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 19:28:21 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:28:21 -0600
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <15B8BA0F-5F25-4673-A598-29CF507DF147@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <20070905170005.3DC77488F96@mail.runrev.com>
	<0318EB3A-5A56-42A4-8381-00765A5B6CE5@sbcglobal.net>
	<15B8BA0F-5F25-4673-A598-29CF507DF147@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <973839FF-F247-477A-ACAE-6AD159795D15@gmail.com>

Hello.

As far as windows/mac integration goes, Parallels and VMWare are  
equivalent (I know that VMWare supports better 3D rendering, however  
Parallels is bound to catch up). The best selling points for VMWare  
boil down to the years of experience in VM's that VMWare has, the  
more graceful integration with OS X (Launchd and background processes  
rather than background processes and system core modifications), and  
a few extra features that are nice beyond windows (Appliances,  
lighter footprint, integrates flawlessly with VM Player and other  
industry standard VMWare products).

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Fiery Ferret



From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep  5 20:03:35 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:03:35 -0700
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
	<88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <0B3B5BB3-A90C-407E-B5FD-BA28B9EF5559@dvcreators.net>

It is with Trevor's excellent Quicktime External that the file cannot  
be located.

On Sep 5, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I don't see this happen under normal circumstances. Can you post an  
> example script or give more details?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 6-sep-2007, om 0:59 heeft Josh Mellicker het volgende geschreven:
>
>> If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces  
>> it with a colon ":"
>>
>> Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.
>>
>> Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev  
>> interprets this as an extra folder.
>>
>> Has anyone solved this problem?
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  5 20:05:10 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 02:05:10 +0200
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <0B3B5BB3-A90C-407E-B5FD-BA28B9EF5559@dvcreators.net>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
	<88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<0B3B5BB3-A90C-407E-B5FD-BA28B9EF5559@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <FC99E84A-9C71-4F31-9470-AC5E5CB6D025@economy-x-talk.com>

Josh,

Are you sure it is the external? Can't it be a scripting problem? I  
have been using this external a lot and didn't notice this problem,  
although I may have been using the shortfilepath function, IIRC.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 6-sep-2007, om 2:03 heeft Josh Mellicker het volgende geschreven:

> It is with Trevor's excellent Quicktime External that the file  
> cannot be located.



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Sep  5 20:20:08 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:20:08 -0700
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <46DF47B8.80301@pdslabs.net>

Josh Mellicker wrote:
> If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces it 
> with a colon ":"
> 
> Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.
> 
> Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev 
> interprets this as an extra folder.
> 
> Has anyone solved this problem?

Hi Josh,

My solution: disallow slashes in filenames.

Rev lets you detect slashes in filenames (by listing the files in a folder for 
example) but doesn't let you [successfully] reference files whose names contain 
them.

Slashes aren't allowed in filenames on Windows IIRC, so if you're making a 
multi-platform thing you'll need to deal with it there anyway.

I don't know a workaround.

Phil Davis


From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep  5 20:51:25 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:51:25 -0700
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <46DF47B8.80301@pdslabs.net>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
	<46DF47B8.80301@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <12410158-D666-4ADD-A35A-B001EE3DFED5@dvcreators.net>

Thanks Phil, I figured as much.

These will be already-captured video files, in which some people put  
the date... grrrrr!


On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Josh Mellicker wrote:
>> If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces  
>> it with a colon ":"
>> Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.
>> Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev  
>> interprets this as an extra folder.
>> Has anyone solved this problem?
>
> Hi Josh,
>
> My solution: disallow slashes in filenames.
>
> Rev lets you detect slashes in filenames (by listing the files in a  
> folder for example) but doesn't let you [successfully] reference  
> files whose names contain them.
>
> Slashes aren't allowed in filenames on Windows IIRC, so if you're  
> making a multi-platform thing you'll need to deal with it there  
> anyway.
>
> I don't know a workaround.
>
> Phil Davis
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Wed Sep  5 21:00:34 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:30:34 +0930
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
	<88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <46DF5132.5070704@harryscollar.com>

Hi Mark

To see it, try creating a folder on your OSX desktop called "/\?*|"

Open up the Terminal, cd to the "Desktop" & do a "ls" listing command.

You will see that even though the folder on the desktop seems ok, 
physical name has been stored as ":\?*|"

XP does not allow the following -> \/:*?<>|

Personally, I filter these out for apps which I know will have to be 
cross-platform.

regards
alex


Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Josh,
> 
> I don't see this happen under normal circumstances. Can you post an 
> example script or give more details?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep  5 21:11:08 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 03:11:08 +0200
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <46DF5132.5070704@harryscollar.com>
References: <C272BFF3-63B8-45AB-9254-6C17BC6B0CC7@dvcreators.net>
	<88266C2D-BB98-44B1-9295-854E7AA821EE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<46DF5132.5070704@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <724A3EAD-7DCE-4536-AF80-CC8B458D5F7A@economy-x-talk.com>

Thanks Alex, I understand it now, Josh wrote file _name_ and not _path_.

Josh, it should be possible to let Revolution create a SMIL file and  
reference to that instead of the actual movie file, using a file name  
without slash for the SMIL file.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 6-sep-2007, om 3:00 heeft Alex Shaw het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Mark
>
> To see it, try creating a folder on your OSX desktop called "/\?*|"
>
> Open up the Terminal, cd to the "Desktop" & do a "ls" listing command.
>
> You will see that even though the folder on the desktop seems ok,  
> physical name has been stored as ":\?*|"
>
> XP does not allow the following -> \/:*?<>|
>
> Personally, I filter these out for apps which I know will have to  
> be cross-platform.
>
> regards
> alex
>



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Sep  5 22:01:42 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:01:42 -0500
Subject: [Not Quite OT] Possible Fix for PNG Color Shift
In-Reply-To: <C304755B.2DFF4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C304755B.2DFF4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709051901o5aa22fc7hec8e5f6660ed24c4@mail.gmail.com>

Dude, if that works, you rock! I'll check it out.

thanks!

-Chipp

On 9/5/07, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> For any of you who work a lot with PNG images in your stacks (or elsewhere),
> you might be familiar with the slight color shift that is often introduced
> into the files by the apps that generate them (Adobe apps are some that
> cause this problem, as well as inconsistent PNG support in Web browsers).
>
> Recently I came across a free Windows application called PngOptimizer that
> removes what it calls "useless" information from PNGs, making the images
> display as expected.
>
> http://psydk.org/PngOptimizer


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  5 22:52:39 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:52:39 -0700
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <12410158-D666-4ADD-A35A-B001EE3DFED5@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <C304B987.48EEC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Not too difficult to convert the filename slashes to another char.

--do this for each folder that contains poorly named files
set the defaultFolder to pathToFolder
put the files into fileList
filter fileList with "*/*"
set the itemdel to "/"

repeat for each line LNN in fileList
     put LNN into userFileName
    replace "/" with "|" in userFileName
    rename ( LNN) to (userFileName)
end repeat

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 9/5/07 5:51 PM, "Josh Mellicker" <josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:

> Thanks Phil, I figured as much.
> 
> These will be already-captured video files, in which some people put
> the date... grrrrr!
> 
> 
> On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> 
>> Josh Mellicker wrote:
>>> If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces
>>> it with a colon ":"
>>> Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.
>>> Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev
>>> interprets this as an extra folder.
>>> Has anyone solved this problem?
>> 
>> Hi Josh,
>> 
>> My solution: disallow slashes in filenames.
>> 
>> Rev lets you detect slashes in filenames (by listing the files in a
>> folder for example) but doesn't let you [successfully] reference
>> files whose names contain them.
>> 
>> Slashes aren't allowed in filenames on Windows IIRC, so if you're
>> making a multi-platform thing you'll need to deal with it there
>> anyway.
>> 
>> I don't know a workaround.
>> 
>> Phil Davis
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Sep  6 00:54:22 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:54:22 -0500
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860709041621l29d438adp13104790f3bdaa32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709052154w4e2cfa09ndac2e462ced155cd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sarah!
Hope you're doing well. As you know, I'm not much of a Mac user, but I
find the Bootcamp/Parallels combo works great for me. There are times
when I only want the Mac to be a PC, and it does that with Bootcamp.
Other times (editing Rev stuff), I like having both. The only problem
I've had with either is the fact neither supports multiple monitors
very well.

best, Chipp


From josh at dvcreators.net  Thu Sep  6 02:19:47 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:19:47 -0700
Subject: slash in file name on OS X
In-Reply-To: <C304B987.48EEC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C304B987.48EEC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0A33D82C-2280-44E1-A31D-ED636A61E8DE@dvcreators.net>

Thanks Jim!

Renaming would break links in video editing software to the video  
files, but I could temporarily rename the files until I am done with  
them, then rename them back.

The only hassle is that they'll have to quit their editing program.

I am going to try to eliminate the path by changing the defaultFolder  
next...

On Sep 5, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Not too difficult to convert the filename slashes to another char.
>
> --do this for each folder that contains poorly named files
> set the defaultFolder to pathToFolder
> put the files into fileList
> filter fileList with "*/*"
> set the itemdel to "/"
>
> repeat for each line LNN in fileList
>      put LNN into userFileName
>     replace "/" with "|" in userFileName
>     rename ( LNN) to (userFileName)
> end repeat
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 9/5/07 5:51 PM, "Josh Mellicker" <josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Phil, I figured as much.
>>
>> These will be already-captured video files, in which some people put
>> the date... grrrrr!
>>
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Josh Mellicker wrote:
>>>> If there is a slash in the file name on OS X, Revolution replaces
>>>> it with a colon ":"
>>>> Unfortunately, this means the file cannot be found.
>>>> Of course, replacing colons with slashes doesn't help, since Rev
>>>> interprets this as an extra folder.
>>>> Has anyone solved this problem?
>>>
>>> Hi Josh,
>>>
>>> My solution: disallow slashes in filenames.
>>>
>>> Rev lets you detect slashes in filenames (by listing the files in a
>>> folder for example) but doesn't let you [successfully] reference
>>> files whose names contain them.
>>>
>>> Slashes aren't allowed in filenames on Windows IIRC, so if you're
>>> making a multi-platform thing you'll need to deal with it there
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I don't know a workaround.
>>>
>>> Phil Davis
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Thu Sep  6 02:27:14 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:27:14 -0700
Subject: scrollbar "detentes"
Message-ID: <4795A19E-1079-48D5-A0C6-D25C6764AB0F@dvcreators.net>

Just thought I'd share this script that gives a scale scrollbar  
"detentes" in case it might come in handy to someone.

When the user lets go of the mouse within tSnap increments of  
tSnapVal, the scrollbar snaps to the tSnapVal value.


ON mouseUp
     put the thumbposition of me into pScrollValue
     snapIt pScrollValue, 768, 100
     snapIt pScrollValue, 1500, 200
     snapIt pScrollValue, 2500, 200
END mouseUp

ON snapIt pScrollValue, tSnapVal, tSnap
     IF abs(pScrollValue - tSnapVal) < tSnap THEN
     set the thumbposition of me to tSnapVal
     END if
END snapIt


I used mouseUp instead of scrollBarDrag because the snapping only  
happens afterwards and not during the drag, which causes flickering...


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Thu Sep  6 04:23:47 2007
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:23:47 +0200
Subject: Accessing files on CD drives under Windows
In-Reply-To: <456DB790.9030505@falconstor.com>
References: <8e373f43fa820555a2b4b24a7621efdc@wanadoo.fr>
	<456DB790.9030505@falconstor.com>
Message-ID: <4587726E-0B03-4872-A872-707151C09BD7@laposte.net>


Le 29 nov. 06 ? 17:38, Geir A. Myrestrand a ?crit :

> Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
>
>> Anybody know how I can find the Volume Names on all the PC devices,
>> as is possible on the Mac, so I can access my CD files ?
>
> You can use the "list volume" command in diskpart:
>
> C:\>diskpart
>
> Microsoft DiskPart version 5.1.3565
>
> Copyright (C) 1999-2003 Microsoft Corporation.
> On computer: STINKPAD
>
> DISKPART> list volume
>
>   Volume ###  Ltr  Label        Fs     Type        Size      
> Status     Info
>   ----------  ---  -----------  -----  ----------  -------   
> --------- --------
>   Volume 0     D   Linux Devic  CDFS   DVD-ROM      307 MB
>   Volume 1     C   IBM_PRELOAD  NTFS   Partition     71 GB  Healthy  
> System
>


Hello,

How use these commands with Rev to get the list ?
this script :
put shell("Diskpart"&cr&"list volume" doesn't work (diskpart seem  
"frozen")

Thanks !




From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Thu Sep  6 07:57:07 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:57:07 +0200
Subject: Accessing files on CD drives under Windows
In-Reply-To: <4587726E-0B03-4872-A872-707151C09BD7@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <OF79442723.E04DF878-ONC125734E.0040EA1F-C125734E.0041A794@deutsche-boerse.com>

DiskPart is an interactive shell application, like telnet or ftp, it will 
wait for your next input which Rev still can't handle. 
I think i proposed the feature to MetaCard long ago but it is most likely 
not coming.

Also for diskPart to work, you need to select which disk and which 
partition you want to list each time. So just that will fail you...

To find the volume name, you go through each letter in the volumes() 
function and do a 

repeat for each line driveletter in the volumes
  put last word of shell("dir" && driveletter && "| findstr /i  Volume in 
drive") & CR after volumeNameList
end repeat

This will return the line which has the volume name out of the list. 
Normally just the last word but it could be more than one which would make 
the script above a bit more complicated... Left as an excercise ;)

regards,
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 06/09/2007 10:23:47:

> 
> Le 29 nov. 06 ? 17:38, Geir A. Myrestrand a ?crit :
> 
> > Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody know how I can find the Volume Names on all the PC devices,
> >> as is possible on the Mac, so I can access my CD files ?
> >
> > You can use the "list volume" command in diskpart:
> >
> > C:\>diskpart
> >
> > Microsoft DiskPart version 5.1.3565
> >
> > Copyright (C) 1999-2003 Microsoft Corporation.
> > On computer: STINKPAD
> >
> > DISKPART> list volume
> >
> >   Volume ###  Ltr  Label        Fs     Type        Size 
> > Status     Info
> >   ----------  ---  -----------  -----  ----------  ------- 
> > --------- --------
> >   Volume 0     D   Linux Devic  CDFS   DVD-ROM      307 MB
> >   Volume 1     C   IBM_PRELOAD  NTFS   Partition     71 GB  Healthy 
> > System
> >
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> How use these commands with Rev to get the list ?
> this script :
> put shell("Diskpart"&cr&"list volume" doesn't work (diskpart seem 
> "frozen")
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Sep  6 10:46:03 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:46:03 +0200
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <20070903170005.87A83488F45@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070903170005.87A83488F45@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DA300CE5-8B26-4502-80A9-9BCEC3724D50@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

does anyone else see that autoTab is broken on intel Macs (No other  
machines here to check right now). It does appear to work most of the  
time, however if there is a fast sequence of returns it puts return  
in the field instead of moving to the next field. This appears to be  
dependent on the selectedtext being empty or not.

Can anyone confirm that?

As a sidenode:

Placing a returnInField  handler on card or stacklevel fixes the prob  
here:

ON returnInField
     IF the autotab of the target THEN
         type TAB
     ELSE
         pass returnInField
     END if
END returnInField

Thanks in advance,

Malte




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu Sep  6 11:12:53 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:12:53 -0400
Subject: [semi-OT] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709050325g7e0ea206j6cbb1227b486bc9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF1FE1570C.81CAE65C-ON8525734E.00525DC2-8525734E.0053954B@sealedair.com>

Since you're already using bootcamp, you're more than half way there.
Parallels can boot from your bootcamp partition. Yay!

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>


> I have been using BootCamp, but having to reboot completely tends to
> stop me using it. I would prefer a solution that allowed me to run
> Windows/Linux without having to stop the Mac.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On 9/5/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Thought of using Boot Camp? http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> On 5 Sep 2007, at 00:21, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm about to get Parallels and use it for Windows on my Mac. I seem to
>>> remember there were problems earlier with Rev windows not drawing
>>> properly. Is that still the case or is it fixed now? Are there any
>>> other tricks I should know about before I start? What about using
>>> libURL, revBrowser, Trevor's Quicktime external and other Windows
>>> externals? I just don't want to waste my time trying to track bugs
>>> that are not my fault and will not appear on a full Windows system.
>>>
>>> I'll be running XP I think. I have XP Pro already and don't want to
>>> shell out for a Vista license for my limited use.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sarah





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep  6 11:14:48 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:14:48 +0200
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <DA300CE5-8B26-4502-80A9-9BCEC3724D50@derbrill.de>
References: <20070903170005.87A83488F45@mail.runrev.com>
	<DA300CE5-8B26-4502-80A9-9BCEC3724D50@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <F90104FC-8C01-47BE-B1F7-83D6BEC66CBA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Malte,

Autotab works fine here. If the text instertion point is on the first  
line of a field while the height of the field equals a multiple of  
the line height, a return will be inserted when you press the return  
key. If the text insertion point is on the last line, return will  
bring you to the next field. If the entire text of a field is  
selected, return will also bring you to the next field.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 6-sep-2007, om 16:46 heeft Malte Brill het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> does anyone else see that autoTab is broken on intel Macs (No other  
> machines here to check right now). It does appear to work most of  
> the time, however if there is a fast sequence of returns it puts  
> return in the field instead of moving to the next field. This  
> appears to be dependent on the selectedtext being empty or not.
>
> Can anyone confirm that?
>
> As a sidenode:
>
> Placing a returnInField  handler on card or stacklevel fixes the  
> prob here:
>
> ON returnInField
>     IF the autotab of the target THEN
>         type TAB
>     ELSE
>         pass returnInField
>     END if
> END returnInField
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Malte



From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Sep  6 11:21:16 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:21:16 -0500
Subject: [Not Quite OT]  Possible Fix for PNG Color Shift
In-Reply-To: <C304755B.2DFF4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C304755B.2DFF4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <46E01AEC.1070705@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> For any of you who work a lot with PNG images in your stacks (or elsewhere),
> you might be familiar with the slight color shift that is often introduced
> into the files by the apps that generate them (Adobe apps are some that
> cause this problem, as well as inconsistent PNG support in Web browsers).

Scott,

Could you send me an example PNG of this?  I've been working with PNGs
in Revolution for a while and I've never seen this.  I'd like to see how
JPEGCompress handles the issue you mentioned.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Sep  6 11:42:51 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:42:51 +0200
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CB5C589E-99DF-4D7A-81C0-1A03EF61F619@derbrill.de>

Leaves me puzzled why I can end up with 5 lines in a field that is  
only 22 pix high, before it finally tabs. Note: not everytime, only  
sometimes.

I find this strange...

ATB,

Malte


From rabit at dimensionB.de  Thu Sep  6 12:02:30 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:02:30 +0200
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <CB5C589E-99DF-4D7A-81C0-1A03EF61F619@derbrill.de>
References: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
	<CB5C589E-99DF-4D7A-81C0-1A03EF61F619@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <3F25C934-FF25-4656-8175-946A97658CF9@dimensionB.de>

Exactly the same here (Intel Mac), and I really would like to know  
how to set up fields,
so that autotab works reliably.

Ralf Bitter

On 6. Sep 2007, at 17:42, Malte Brill wrote:

> Leaves me puzzled why I can end up with 5 lines in a field that is  
> only 22 pix high, before it finally tabs. Note: not everytime, only  
> sometimes.
>
> I find this strange...
>
> ATB,
>
> Malte
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Sep  6 12:06:52 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:06:52 +0200
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E05F25EF-0C37-44D9-84C2-04FBA70D9A61@derbrill.de>

Moin Ralf,

the script I posted earlier does the trick for single line fields, if  
placed on card, stack or library level. Might be adapted to more than  
one line. At least it is a workaround.

ON returnInField
     IF the autotab of the target THEN
         type TAB
     ELSE
         pass returnInField
     END if
END returnInField


Gr??e,Malte

From rabit at dimensionB.de  Thu Sep  6 12:28:04 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:28:04 +0200
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <E05F25EF-0C37-44D9-84C2-04FBA70D9A61@derbrill.de>
References: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
	<E05F25EF-0C37-44D9-84C2-04FBA70D9A61@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <D52984EC-A6DB-4552-8899-80D3006A1908@dimensionB.de>

Thanks Malte,

this should definitely work, but as Mark states to have no problems
with autotab I wonder if there is a solution besides workarounds.

Gru?
Ralf

On 6. Sep 2007, at 18:06, Malte Brill wrote:

> Moin Ralf,
>
> the script I posted earlier does the trick for single line fields,  
> if placed on card, stack or library level. Might be adapted to more  
> than one line. At least it is a workaround.
>
> ON returnInField
>     IF the autotab of the target THEN
>         type TAB
>     ELSE
>         pass returnInField
>     END if
> END returnInField
>
>
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Thu Sep  6 12:29:51 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:29:51 -0700
Subject: autotab broken?
In-Reply-To: <E05F25EF-0C37-44D9-84C2-04FBA70D9A61@derbrill.de>
References: <20070905170005.AD068488FAD@mail.runrev.com>
	<E05F25EF-0C37-44D9-84C2-04FBA70D9A61@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <9E71F902-A389-4F49-8614-FA86EB993C56@dvcreators.net>

I have not found autotab reliable (Intel MacBook & Mac Pro), so I use  
a script similar to yours.

On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Moin Ralf,
>
> the script I posted earlier does the trick for single line fields,  
> if placed on card, stack or library level. Might be adapted to more  
> than one line. At least it is a workaround.
>
> ON returnInField
>     IF the autotab of the target THEN
>         type TAB
>     ELSE
>         pass returnInField
>     END if
> END returnInField
>
>
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From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Sep  6 16:39:31 2007
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:39:31 -0400
Subject: Color Palette
In-Reply-To: <000001c7a30b$702bb9b0$50832d10$@com>
References: <000001c7a30b$702bb9b0$50832d10$@com>
Message-ID: <BEC8FFE1-CE0E-43D0-8828-535E9CF90997@fjrhome.net>

Okay, I have a distinct but related question...

Is there any way to bring up the color picker without blocking  
messages from being delivered in the background?

I have a program in which I "send" messages to run an event handler  
several times a second to update various things, but if I "answer  
color", the messages do not go through until I close the color picker...


(This is on OS X, if that makes a difference...)



On May 30, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Jason Kapadia wrote:

> Wow, I can't believe I missed that one.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>> Do you mean like scripting "answer color" ?
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>
>
>
>> Scott Rossi
>
>> Creative Director
>
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
>
>>> Recently, Jason Kapadia wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Is there anyway that I am able to bring up the windows color  
>>> palette?
> Like
>
>>> the one shown in the property inspector when you click on the
>
>>> backgroundcolor box?
>
>
>
>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep  6 16:46:28 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:46:28 -0700
Subject: Does revGoURL Auto-Encode URLs? 
Message-ID: <C305B534.2E140%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I'm trying to get Rev to launch a site in the user's browser that requires a
login, and so far, the browser is launching to the correct domain but not to
the protected page.

revGoURL "http://user.name at userserver.com:password at targetserver.com"

When running the above, I get a security alert back from the browser
(Firefox) that reads like:

"You are about to log into the site "targetserver.com" with the username
"user%2Ename%40userserver%2Ecom", but the website does not require
authentication. This may be an attempt to trick you.
Is "targetserver.com" the site you want to visit?

The username string listed in the security alert shows the at symbol and
periods as HTML entities, so I'm not sure if revGoURL is encoding the
username string, or this is just the way the browser is returning the info.

Perhaps goRevURL is encoding both "@" symbols where it should not.  Or
perhaps it is encoding the periods in the string where it should not.  This
doesn't seem to be a script error on my end as the browser is launched
properly, but rather seems to be a formatting problem.  So any suggestions
on how to troubleshoot this?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Thu Sep  6 17:49:15 2007
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:49:15 -0400
Subject: Proper Field Validation Methods and other annoyances...
In-Reply-To: <B0000120035@titan.pon.net>
References: <46C1D77B.3040205@crcom.net> <B0000120035@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <F802BDE2-CE3D-4918-B499-808F6BF653D7@fjrhome.net>

Wow, let's put together a new feature request for BZ...

How about, "is a user readable date", or "is really a date"?

"is a formatted date"?


On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Hi Len,
>
>> 1) Why does  put "4" is a date return true?  If this function  
>> doesn't actually work, why is it still available?  I'd like to be  
>> able to have users enter a date without any kind of punctuation  
>> (i.e., 08142007) and be able to validate it as a valid date.  The  
>> same applies to entering 1315 as a time (no colon).
>
> Others have explained why "is a date" returns true for any integer.
>
> Here is a function that validates user input as valid according to  
> the current system date format and returns the date in dateItems  
> format.
>
>  function validDate theString -- 5 April 04:RCC
>   put stripBlanks(theString,false) into theString -- strips leading  
> or trailing blanks from a string
>   get systemDateFormat() -- see Called Routines below
>   set the itemDelimiter to char -1 of it -- the Separater
>   if the number of items of theString <> 3 then return false
>   delete the last char of it
>   delete char offset("mm",it) of it -- remove double characters, if  
> any...
>                                                          -- which  
> there will be until RR system date
>                                                          --  
> correctly recognizes suppression of leading
>                                                          -- zeroes
>   delete char offset("dd",it) of it
>   delete char offset("yy",it) of it
>   repeat with x = 1 to 3
>     switch char x of it
>     case "m"
>       put item x of theString into theMonth
>       if not validDigits(theMonth) then return false  -- each char  
> >= "0" and <= "9"
>       if theMonth < 1 or theMonth > 12 then return false
>       break
>     case "d"
>       put item x of theString into theDay
>       if not validDigits(theDay) then return false
>       if theDay < 1 or theDay > 31 then return false
>       break
>     case "y"
>       put item x of theString into theYear
>       if not validDigits(theYear) then return false
>       put length(theYear) into charCount
>       if charCount <> 2 and charCount <> 4 then return false
>       if charCount is 2 then add 2000 to theYear
>       if theYear < 1 then return false
>       break
>     end switch
>   end repeat
>   if theDay < 29 then return  
> true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>   if theMonth is 2 then
>     if theDay > 29 or not leapYear(theYear) then return false --  
> leapYear returns boolean
>     else return true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&", 
> 0,0,0,0"
>   else
>     if offset("0",theMonth) = 1 then delete char 1 of theMonth
>     set the itemDelimiter to comma
>     if theMonth is among the items of "1,3,5,7,8,10,12" then return  
> true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>     if theDay is 31 then return false
>     else return true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&", 
> 0,0,0,0"
>   end if
> end validDate
>
> Cal;led routines:
>
> function systemDateFormat
>   put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into testDate
>   convert testDate to short system date -- RR pads day/month  
> regardless of settings
>                                                                        
>  -- which means function will not recognize the
>                                                                        
> -- absence of leading zeroes until this is fixed
>   put 2 into characterNumber
>   repeat while char characterNumber of testDate is in "1,9"
>     add 1 to characterNumber
>   end repeat
>   put char characterNumber of testDate into dateSeparater
>   put empty into returnDateFormat
>   set the itemDelimiter to dateSeparater
>   repeat for each item datePart in testDate
>     if datePart > 9 then
>       if datePart > 99 then put "y" after returnDateFormat
>       put "y" after returnDateFormat
>     else if datePart > 1 then
>       if length(datePart) > 1 then put "d" after returnDateFormat
>       put "d" after returnDateFormat
>     else
>       if length(datePart) > 1 then put "m" after returnDateFormat
>       put "m" after returnDateFormat
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   return returnDateFormat&dateSeparater
> end systemDateFormat
>
>
>> 2) This is the "biggie."  What is the proper way to validate the  
>> contents of a field.  I tried writing a "closeField" script that  
>> would do the validation, put up a message box if the format/ 
>> contents are wrong, then set the focus back to the field for  
>> correction by the user. I end up getting two insertion point  
>> cursors (one in the "bad" field and one in the next field.  The  
>> keyboard does go to the bad field but having more than one  
>> insertion point is confusing to me let alone my end users.  By the  
>> way, I have tried not passing the closeField message but I'm not  
>> sure if the "tab to next field" takes place anyway.
>
> Among my back burner projects is a Data Dictionary-driven RAD,  
> which will validate user input in a field as compliant with the  
> Data Dictionary specifications for the data that field captures  
> (eg: required?, numeric?, # of decimal positions, show thousands  
> separator?, show currency symbol?, lookup table, autoentry?, max  
> length, max lines, etc).  Only some of the edits have been tested  
> at this stage; but all that our working are triggered by  
> closeField, enterInField (and returnInField for single-line  
> fields),or internal logic if auto-entry fields, and I have not  
> experienced the problems you describe.
>
> However, I would note that my user interface keeps ALL fields  
> without focus locked while accepting user input in a field.  When  
> the user signals "I'm done", the field contents are validated to DD  
> specs.  If invalid, an error message is displayed; if valid, the  
> field is locked and the next (either by ordinal or based on the  
> user input) field is unlocked and given focus.
>
>> 3) Related to #2 above, I frequently get vertical lines (insertion  
>> point cursors) in a field as I move the mouse across it.  Once  
>> they start showing up, (and they stay so I end up with vertical  
>> bars between every letter in the field!), I can get them to appear  
>> by moving the mouse ABOVE the field (not in it) like I have a  
>> vertical line that runs the height of the entire screen.  Is this  
>> something I'm doing or is it a known problem?
>
> Do you get the same effect from a standalone compiled from your stack?
>
> Rob Cozens CCW
> Serendipity Software Company
>
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>  Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep  6 19:27:56 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:56 -0700
Subject: Does revGoURL Auto-Encode URLs? 
In-Reply-To: <C305B534.2E140%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C305DB0C.2E16C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, I wrote:

> I'm trying to get Rev to launch a site in the user's browser that requires a
> login, and so far, the browser is launching to the correct domain but not to
> the protected page.
> 
> revGoURL "http://user.name at userserver.com:password at targetserver.com"

More on this problem...

The site uses an HTML post form to log in which points to "index.php".  I've
tried passing the username and password to the address of the page
("targetserver.com/index.php") within the URL string, like the above.  But
I'm still getting the browser's security alert message and being dumped on
the site's home page (default). What else can I try?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Sep  6 20:00:27 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:00:27 +0100
Subject: Does revGoURL Auto-Encode URLs?
In-Reply-To: <C305DB0C.2E16C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C305DB0C.2E16C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C4598663-C8A0-4A0B-BBAA-4258D55211CD@maseurope.net>

Scott, have a look at the page source for the login page. You may  
find that there's a javaScript function that does the POST.

As an example of something that I did a while ago, I wanted to  
donload a page that had a form (set by buttons) that set a date. So I  
had an applescript in a custom prop:


set tScr to "
document.ResultSel.Day.selectedIndex = dd;
document.ResultSel.Month.selectedIndex = mm;
document.ResultSel.Year.selectedIndex = yy;
ResultsValidate()"

tell application "Safari"
do JavaScript tScr in document 1
end tell


which my app would copy into a variable, replace the dd/mm/yy values  
with the needed real values, and 'do as applescript'. If you're on  
Windows, maybe there's a Windows way to do this?

Having said that, the site has changed since then, and it no longer  
works...which is one of the problems with trying to interact with  
designed-for-humans sites programmatically.

Best of luck,

Mark

On 7 Sep 2007, at 00:27, Scott Rossi wrote:

>
> More on this problem...
>
> The site uses an HTML post form to log in which points to  
> "index.php".  I've
> tried passing the username and password to the address of the page
> ("targetserver.com/index.php") within the URL string, like the  
> above.  But
> I'm still getting the browser's security alert message and being  
> dumped on
> the site's home page (default). What else can I try?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep  6 23:22:03 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:22:03 -0700
Subject: Does revGoURL Auto-Encode URLs?
In-Reply-To: <C4598663-C8A0-4A0B-BBAA-4258D55211CD@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C30611EB.2E1A0%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hey Mark:

If you haven't looked at the site I mentioned, don't bother.  I think I know
what's going on -- I believe they have a php script that expects some
variables to be sent when logging in, so we're not going to figure it out
any time soon.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Sep  7 00:22:56 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:22:56 +0200
Subject: Does revGoURL Auto-Encode URLs? 
In-Reply-To: <C305DB0C.2E16C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C305DB0C.2E16C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F508DC2F-1822-4B1D-90AD-D2B32613E4D9@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> The site uses an HTML post form to log in which points to  
> "index.php".  I've
> tried passing the username and password to the address of the page
> ("targetserver.com/index.php") within the URL string, like the  
> above.  But
> I'm still getting the browser's security alert message and being  
> dumped on
> the site's home page (default). What else can I try?

Is it possible that cookie information is somehow getting in the act?

sims

From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Sep  7 04:47:45 2007
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:47:45 +0200
Subject: Protect zip file with a password ?
Message-ID: <C00AF846-FF4E-46C6-AE52-75D2166FA53A@laposte.net>

Hello

It is possible to protect a zip file (created with revzip) with a  
password ?

Thanks !



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep  7 05:11:37 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:11:37 +0200
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
Message-ID: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

I use the 'icon' unsupported feature and even if I would be pleased  
with some features added (like being able to bold a menu item, to  
call the menu using a left click, etc.) I wonder why the 16*16 pixels  
PNG (with transparency) I use is perfectly displayed everywhere  
except in Win tray where transparency is lost and replaced by solid  
colors?
Any hint would be greatly appreciated :-)

PS. Same issue on XP SP2 and Vista.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Sep  7 06:49:11 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:49:11 +0200
Subject: Proper Field Validation Methods and other annoyances...
In-Reply-To: <F802BDE2-CE3D-4918-B499-808F6BF653D7@fjrhome.net>
References: <46C1D77B.3040205@crcom.net> <B0000120035@titan.pon.net>
	<F802BDE2-CE3D-4918-B499-808F6BF653D7@fjrhome.net>
Message-ID: <3673efa701a73be718a5bfc8ee0eb8fa@mac.com>

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5300

On 06 Sep 2007, at 23:49, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

> Wow, let's put together a new feature request for BZ...
>
> How about, "is a user readable date", or "is really a date"?
>
> "is a formatted date"?
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
>
>> Hi Len,
>>
>>> 1) Why does  put "4" is a date return true?  If this function 
>>> doesn't actually work, why is it still available?  I'd like to be 
>>> able to have users enter a date without any kind of punctuation 
>>> (i.e., 08142007) and be able to validate it as a valid date.  The 
>>> same applies to entering 1315 as a time (no colon).
>>
>> Others have explained why "is a date" returns true for any integer.
>>
>> Here is a function that validates user input as valid according to 
>> the current system date format and returns the date in dateItems 
>> format.
>>
>>  function validDate theString -- 5 April 04:RCC
>>   put stripBlanks(theString,false) into theString -- strips leading 
>> or trailing blanks from a string
>>   get systemDateFormat() -- see Called Routines below
>>   set the itemDelimiter to char -1 of it -- the Separater
>>   if the number of items of theString <> 3 then return false
>>   delete the last char of it
>>   delete char offset("mm",it) of it -- remove double characters, if 
>> any...
>>                                                          -- which 
>> there will be until RR system date
>>                                                          -- correctly 
>> recognizes suppression of leading
>>                                                          -- zeroes
>>   delete char offset("dd",it) of it
>>   delete char offset("yy",it) of it
>>   repeat with x = 1 to 3
>>     switch char x of it
>>     case "m"
>>       put item x of theString into theMonth
>>       if not validDigits(theMonth) then return false  -- each char >= 
>> "0" and <= "9"
>>       if theMonth < 1 or theMonth > 12 then return false
>>       break
>>     case "d"
>>       put item x of theString into theDay
>>       if not validDigits(theDay) then return false
>>       if theDay < 1 or theDay > 31 then return false
>>       break
>>     case "y"
>>       put item x of theString into theYear
>>       if not validDigits(theYear) then return false
>>       put length(theYear) into charCount
>>       if charCount <> 2 and charCount <> 4 then return false
>>       if charCount is 2 then add 2000 to theYear
>>       if theYear < 1 then return false
>>       break
>>     end switch
>>   end repeat
>>   if theDay < 29 then return 
>> true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>>   if theMonth is 2 then
>>     if theDay > 29 or not leapYear(theYear) then return false -- 
>> leapYear returns boolean
>>     else return 
>> true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>>   else
>>     if offset("0",theMonth) = 1 then delete char 1 of theMonth
>>     set the itemDelimiter to comma
>>     if theMonth is among the items of "1,3,5,7,8,10,12" then return 
>> true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>>     if theDay is 31 then return false
>>     else return 
>> true&return&theYear&comma&theMonth&comma&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>>   end if
>> end validDate
>>
>> Cal;led routines:
>>
>> function systemDateFormat
>>   put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into testDate
>>   convert testDate to short system date -- RR pads day/month 
>> regardless of settings
>>                                                                       
>>  -- which means function will not recognize the
>>                                                                       
>> -- absence of leading zeroes until this is fixed
>>   put 2 into characterNumber
>>   repeat while char characterNumber of testDate is in "1,9"
>>     add 1 to characterNumber
>>   end repeat
>>   put char characterNumber of testDate into dateSeparater
>>   put empty into returnDateFormat
>>   set the itemDelimiter to dateSeparater
>>   repeat for each item datePart in testDate
>>     if datePart > 9 then
>>       if datePart > 99 then put "y" after returnDateFormat
>>       put "y" after returnDateFormat
>>     else if datePart > 1 then
>>       if length(datePart) > 1 then put "d" after returnDateFormat
>>       put "d" after returnDateFormat
>>     else
>>       if length(datePart) > 1 then put "m" after returnDateFormat
>>       put "m" after returnDateFormat
>>     end if
>>   end repeat
>>   return returnDateFormat&dateSeparater
>> end systemDateFormat
>>
>>
>>> 2) This is the "biggie."  What is the proper way to validate the 
>>> contents of a field.  I tried writing a "closeField" script that 
>>> would do the validation, put up a message box if the format/contents 
>>> are wrong, then set the focus back to the field for correction by 
>>> the user. I end up getting two insertion point cursors (one in the 
>>> "bad" field and one in the next field.  The keyboard does go to the 
>>> bad field but having more than one insertion point is confusing to 
>>> me let alone my end users.  By the way, I have tried not passing the 
>>> closeField message but I'm not sure if the "tab to next field" takes 
>>> place anyway.
>>
>> Among my back burner projects is a Data Dictionary-driven RAD, which 
>> will validate user input in a field as compliant with the Data 
>> Dictionary specifications for the data that field captures (eg: 
>> required?, numeric?, # of decimal positions, show thousands 
>> separator?, show currency symbol?, lookup table, autoentry?, max 
>> length, max lines, etc).  Only some of the edits have been tested at 
>> this stage; but all that our working are triggered by closeField, 
>> enterInField (and returnInField for single-line fields),or internal 
>> logic if auto-entry fields, and I have not experienced the problems 
>> you describe.
>>
>> However, I would note that my user interface keeps ALL fields without 
>> focus locked while accepting user input in a field.  When the user 
>> signals "I'm done", the field contents are validated to DD specs.  If 
>> invalid, an error message is displayed; if valid, the field is locked 
>> and the next (either by ordinal or based on the user input) field is 
>> unlocked and given focus.
>>
>>> 3) Related to #2 above, I frequently get vertical lines (insertion 
>>> point cursors) in a field as I move the mouse across it.  Once they 
>>> start showing up, (and they stay so I end up with vertical bars 
>>> between every letter in the field!), I can get them to appear by 
>>> moving the mouse ABOVE the field (not in it) like I have a vertical 
>>> line that runs the height of the entire screen.  Is this something 
>>> I'm doing or is it a known problem?
>>
>> Do you get the same effect from a standalone compiled from your stack?
>>
>> Rob Cozens CCW
>> Serendipity Software Company
>>
>> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
>>  Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>>
>>  from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep  7 07:07:00 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:07:00 +0200
Subject: Protect zip file with a password ?
In-Reply-To: <C00AF846-FF4E-46C6-AE52-75D2166FA53A@laposte.net>
References: <C00AF846-FF4E-46C6-AE52-75D2166FA53A@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <1D56E8F4-6CB5-4113-A275-7D3B7E6C4683@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ludovic,

This is  impossible with just the revZip features. However, once you  
have a zip file, or zip data in a variable, you can scramble it with  
a simple scrambling function, or with Revolution's encrypt command.  
Of course, you would need Revolution, or just a standalone, to  
decrypt the data.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 7-sep-2007, om 10:47 heeft Ludovic THEBAULT het volgende geschreven:

> Hello
>
> It is possible to protect a zip file (created with revzip) with a  
> password ?
>
> Thanks !



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep  7 07:08:28 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:08:28 +0200
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <07CA32EF-EA9B-4561-9F87-4CE5BBE5F9FA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Eric,

Which software do you use to create your icons?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 7-sep-2007, om 11:11 heeft Eric Chatonet het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> I use the 'icon' unsupported feature and even if I would be pleased  
> with some features added (like being able to bold a menu item, to  
> call the menu using a left click, etc.) I wonder why the 16*16  
> pixels PNG (with transparency) I use is perfectly displayed  
> everywhere except in Win tray where transparency is lost and  
> replaced by solid colors?
> Any hint would be greatly appreciated :-)
>
> PS. Same issue on XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep  7 07:12:28 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:12:28 +0200
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <07CA32EF-EA9B-4561-9F87-4CE5BBE5F9FA@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<07CA32EF-EA9B-4561-9F87-4CE5BBE5F9FA@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <3951907A-D22E-43CE-AAD7-7BB80ED22E5F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark,

I use PhotoShop on Mac.
Anyway, the PNG looks fine as expected everywhere else except in Win  
tray.
But I can see icons, not all, in Win tray that do show some  
transparency.

Le 7 sept. 07 ? 13:08, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
>
> Which software do you use to create your icons?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 7-sep-2007, om 11:11 heeft Eric Chatonet het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I use the 'icon' unsupported feature and even if I would be  
>> pleased with some features added (like being able to bold a menu  
>> item, to call the menu using a left click, etc.) I wonder why the  
>> 16*16 pixels PNG (with transparency) I use is perfectly displayed  
>> everywhere except in Win tray where transparency is lost and  
>> replaced by solid colors?
>> Any hint would be greatly appreciated :-)
>>
>> PS. Same issue on XP SP2 and Vista.
>>
>> Best regards from Paris,
>> Eric Chatonet.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Sep  7 08:41:29 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:41:29 +0200
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <3951907A-D22E-43CE-AAD7-7BB80ED22E5F@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<07CA32EF-EA9B-4561-9F87-4CE5BBE5F9FA@economy-x-talk.com>
	<3951907A-D22E-43CE-AAD7-7BB80ED22E5F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <87B23A31-7014-4A44-B630-E1642C550026@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> I use PhotoShop on Mac.
> Anyway, the PNG looks fine as expected everywhere else except in  
> Win tray.
> But I can see icons, not all, in Win tray that do show some  
> transparency.


Is it possible that a transparent gif is what people use, not png?

sims

From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Sep  7 10:03:55 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:03:55 +0200
Subject: OS X menubar not updating
Message-ID: <7800AE34-8477-4F38-B23D-23930B1F95C6@major-k.de>

Hi folks,

I'm trying to create some kind of dynamic menubar, but this does not  
work as exspected :-/

This is my (test) script in the mainstack, which does work in  
general, but the actual menubar does not update!
The substacks do not have any scripts

on resumestack
   lock menus
   put the target & CR & the owner of the target
   put the short name of the owner of the target into zielstack
   set the label of btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack  
"mbar" to zielstack
   switch zielstack
   case "menutest2"
     put "menutest2 item1" & CR & "menutest2 item2" into btn  
"idappmenu" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
     show btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
     break
   case "menutest3"
     put "menutest3 item1" & CR & "menutest3 item2" & CR & "menutest3  
item3" into btn "idappmenu" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
     show btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
     break
   case "menutest1" ## Mainstack
     hide btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
     ## I only want this extra menu in the substacks!
     break
   end switch
   unlock menus
end resumestack

"menutest1" is the mainstack, all others are substacks (or at least  
open stacks)..
Group "mbar" is also in a substack named "mbar" to avoid problems  
with the dis-/appearing 20 pixels ;-)
All substacks have "mbar2" set as menubar of course.

So what happens is that the button "idappmenu" is getting shown/ 
hidden and filled with the correct content,
I can check this by having this substack open and see the button dis-/ 
appear in realtime.

BUT the actual menubar (on top of the screen on OS X) does NOT  
updated correctly!
Un-/locking menus and/or un-/locking screen does not help.

I even tried to put the menugroup into my mainstack, no way.
I also put the line "set the label of btn..." inside of the "case"  
handler, no way.

I do NOT want to end with X different menugroups, one for each substack!
Any hints are very appreciated.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Sep  7 11:12:00 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:12:00 -0700
Subject: OS X menubar not updating
In-Reply-To: <7800AE34-8477-4F38-B23D-23930B1F95C6@major-k.de>
References: <7800AE34-8477-4F38-B23D-23930B1F95C6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <p06240801c30717f49f70@[192.168.1.112]>

set the text of btn works for me. I've never used 'put into' however.
perhaps you have to load the entire menu text in a variable , insert 
or rewrite each line and then set the text of the button to it.

I assemble a complete menu listing on the fly on mousedown, then set 
the text of the button to it. This all happens before menupick. This 
guarantees refreshing just in time.

This definition of lock menus in the docs seems to say you can't 
change the menubars when they are locked ??? See what happens when 
you take that line out.

"Sets the lockMenus property to true, preventing the menu bar from 
being updated when the controls for the menu bar are changed."


this seems to be quite different than LOCK SCREEN.




>Hi folks,
>
>I'm trying to create some kind of dynamic menubar, but this does not 
>work as exspected :-/
>
>This is my (test) script in the mainstack, which does work in 
>general, but the actual menubar does not update!
>The substacks do not have any scripts
>
>on resumestack
>   lock menus
>   put the target & CR & the owner of the target
>   put the short name of the owner of the target into zielstack
>   set the label of btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack 
>"mbar" to zielstack
>   switch zielstack
>   case "menutest2"
>     put "menutest2 item1" & CR & "menutest2 item2" into btn 
>"idappmenu" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
>     show btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
>     break
>   case "menutest3"
>     put "menutest3 item1" & CR & "menutest3 item2" & CR & "menutest3 
>item3" into btn "idappmenu" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
>     show btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
>     break
>   case "menutest1" ## Mainstack
>     hide btn "idappmenu" of grp "mbar2" of cd 1 of stack "mbar"
>     ## I only want this extra menu in the substacks!
>     break
>   end switch
>   unlock menus
>end resumestack
>


-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep  7 11:14:48 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:14:48 -0700
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <3951907A-D22E-43CE-AAD7-7BB80ED22E5F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C306B8F8.2E22F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> the PNG looks fine as expected everywhere else except in Win
> tray.
> But I can see icons, not all, in Win tray that do show some
> transparency.

I believe Windows systems up through XP only support 256 colors (and thus 1
level of transparency) in the systray icons.  Vista may be different (don't
have it front of me to check).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Sep  7 11:33:53 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:33:53 +0200
Subject: OS X menubar not updating
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c30717f49f70@[192.168.1.112]>
References: <7800AE34-8477-4F38-B23D-23930B1F95C6@major-k.de>
	<p06240801c30717f49f70@[192.168.1.112]>
Message-ID: <CAA43BD4-2454-4DEF-A853-8BA872AC3992@major-k.de>

Hi Stephen,

> set the text of btn works for me. I've never used 'put into' however.

But does work nevertheless ;-)

> perhaps you have to load the entire menu text in a variable ,  
> insert or rewrite each line and then set the text of the button to it.

The CONTENT of the buttons is correct, the display of the complete  
menubar is what does not work!

> I assemble a complete menu listing on the fly on mousedown, then  
> set the text of the button to it. This all happens before menupick.  
> This guarantees refreshing just in time.
> This definition of lock menus in the docs seems to say you can't  
> change the menubars when they are locked ??? See what happens when  
> you take that line out.
> "Sets the lockMenus property to true, preventing the menu bar from  
> being updated when the controls for the menu bar are changed."
> this seems to be quite different than LOCK SCREEN.

I tried with and without "lock menus"



Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep  7 12:29:24 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:29:24 +0200
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <C306B8F8.2E22F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C306B8F8.2E22F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <3A8CF177-0DF0-45A2-BD33-5989B557C5E0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi scott,

Le 7 sept. 07 ? 17:14, Scott Rossi a ?crit :

> Recently, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> the PNG looks fine as expected everywhere else except in Win
>> tray.
>> But I can see icons, not all, in Win tray that do show some
>> transparency.
>
> I believe Windows systems up through XP only support 256 colors  
> (and thus 1
> level of transparency) in the systray icons.  Vista may be  
> different (don't
> have it front of me to check).
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

I am going to give it a try but as the icon is a rainbow... ;-)
I have to add to be more precise that I get some areas transparent  
and other in solid colors.
What I want is of course semi transparency...

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep  7 12:58:59 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:58:59 -0500
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20070907115859302195.71a56ab9@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:11:37 +0200, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I use the 'icon' unsupported feature and even if I would be pleased 
> with some features added (like being able to bold a menu item, to 
> call the menu using a left click, etc.) I wonder why the 16*16 pixels 
> PNG (with transparency) I use is perfectly displayed everywhere 
> except in Win tray where transparency is lost and replaced by solid 
> colors?
> Any hint would be greatly appreciated :-)
> 
> PS. Same issue on XP SP2 and Vista.

Also, if for some reason you can't get Rev's 'icon' feature to do what 
you want, or you want to be able to have the tray icon exist even if 
your Rev app is closed, you might want to take a look at STSTray if you 
haven't already:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/ststray/ststray.htm

It might just do what you want it to do...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep  7 13:07:33 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:07:33 +0200
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <20070907115859302195.71a56ab9@sonsothunder.com>
References: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<20070907115859302195.71a56ab9@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <60C5CE90-8DEA-4289-950D-5FB07CD25365@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ken,

As you know it since we exchanged some emails about this, I know well  
STSTray.
It's a great product with many more possibilities than the rev  
feature :-)
But, if I remember well (you'll correct me :-), it uses VB and  
inserts a process in the task manager list I can't rename or set the  
icon by myself.
For a 'whole world' commercial application, I can't allow such a  
behavior :-(
If I could rename it and set its icon, probably I would switch  
immediately to use it again!

Le 7 sept. 07 ? 18:58, Ken Ray a ?crit :

> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:11:37 +0200, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I use the 'icon' unsupported feature and even if I would be pleased
>> with some features added (like being able to bold a menu item, to
>> call the menu using a left click, etc.) I wonder why the 16*16 pixels
>> PNG (with transparency) I use is perfectly displayed everywhere
>> except in Win tray where transparency is lost and replaced by solid
>> colors?
>> Any hint would be greatly appreciated :-)
>>
>> PS. Same issue on XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> Also, if for some reason you can't get Rev's 'icon' feature to do what
> you want, or you want to be able to have the tray icon exist even if
> your Rev app is closed, you might want to take a look at STSTray if  
> you
> haven't already:
>
>   http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/ststray/ststray.htm
>
> It might just do what you want it to do...
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep  7 16:15:55 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:15:55 -0500
Subject: Tray icon transparency (XP and Vista)
In-Reply-To: <60C5CE90-8DEA-4289-950D-5FB07CD25365@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <A3BE0BE9-BEDA-4C85-AFAF-E0D2712FB778@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<20070907115859302195.71a56ab9@sonsothunder.com>
	<60C5CE90-8DEA-4289-950D-5FB07CD25365@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20070907151555973473.9a5ed265@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:07:33 +0200, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> 
> As you know it since we exchanged some emails about this, I know well 
> STSTray.
> It's a great product with many more possibilities than the rev feature :-)
> But, if I remember well (you'll correct me :-), it uses VB and 
> inserts a process in the task manager list I can't rename or set the 
> icon by myself.
> For a 'whole world' commercial application, I can't allow such a 
> behavior :-(
> If I could rename it and set its icon, probably I would switch 
> immediately to use it again!

Actually, you *can* rename it (just change the name of the executable), 
and you *can* set its icon (by issuing the "set icon" TrayScript 
command), although you have a 256 color limit, and the graphics formats 
supported are BMP, ICO, CUR, RLE, WMF, GIF, and JPEG (so no PNGs). So 
for transparency it looks like 256 Color GIFs.

:-)

Haven't tried it in Vista though, so I don't know if there are any 
glitches... I'll try when I get a chance and let you know. But for XP 
it should be good to go...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  7 17:44:47 2007
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:44:47 -0700
Subject: Running in a full screen mode
Message-ID: <BAY106-W26F87A70B8CA1DD4F9701ED1C50@phx.gbl>

Does anybody know if a stand-alone project can be run as a full screen app that hides the OS X menu bar?  

Tnx, Bob...

_________________________________________________________________
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From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 17:53:09 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:53:09 -0600
Subject: Running in a full screen mode
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W26F87A70B8CA1DD4F9701ED1C50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W26F87A70B8CA1DD4F9701ED1C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7E10140-969F-4000-AC8C-275BDA5D5FAF@gmail.com>

Hello.

Yes it can be. I use the following script.

on goFullScreen -- To go full screen, even in development mode
   if exists(stack "revmenubar") then
     send ("menupick" && quote & "Suspend Development Tools" & quote)  
to btn "development" of stack "revmenubar"
     hide stack "revrestore"
   end if
   repeat for each line x in the openStacks
     if x contains "revOnline" then hide stack x
   end repeat
   hide menubar
   hide msg
   set the decorations of this stack to empty
   set the backdrop to black
   set the rect of this stack to "0,0,800,600" -- Adjust to suit the  
size of your stack
   set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
   toplevel this stack
end goFullScreen

on stopFullScreen -- Return from Full Screen
     show menubar
     set the decorations of the topstack to default
     set the backdrop to none
     toplevel this stack
end stopFullScreen

This doesn't resize the screen however you could use the binary  
cscreen (Scour the internet for it, it is out there) to accomplish  
that. Beware that calling goFullScreen twice in the Development  
Environment has strange results (Usually you can't use the  
development environment until you restart Revolution).

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Fiery Ferret

From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Sep  7 18:04:42 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:04:42 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Seamless Tiles Generator 2
Message-ID: <46E1CAFA.4030305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Version 2 of my "Seamless Tiles Generator" of last year.

The stack should run on all platforms (tested on Windows and Mac OS X). 
On Mac OS X it needs at least a Revolution engine version from 2.7 up to 
work properly because of the restrictions as to image size and 
divisibility for backpatterns in earlier versions.

The stack contains its own "Answer Dialog" as a substack, because I need 
the functionality to place the dialog close to the buttons that use the 
dialog. This dialog should cause no problems with newer versions of 
Revolution. If you get a warning because of a "duplicate stack", simply 
disregard this.

You can download the zipped stack (8 MB) directly from 
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/SeamlessTiles2.zip> or

from page "Sample Stacks" of my website <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>

===================================

What the "Seamless Tiles Generator 2" does:

You can import JPG and PNG files - either in "real" size or set to sizes 
640X480, 800X600, 1024X768, or 1600X1200.
The last imported image can always be retrieved using button "reset 
imported image".

A few sample images are embedded. The first two with a size 640X480, the 
last one in 6 sizes from 400X300 to 1600X1200 and as "real size" with 
2048X1536 pixels.

 From the chosen image you select a rectangle for further processing. 
The various possibilities to select in version 1 of  stack "Seamless 
Tiles" have now been replaced by a single selection graphic which can be 
resized using the red handle at the bottomright corner and dragged 
around on the image.

The selected rectangle of the image is then transferred to page "create 
seamless tile" using the button on the upper left of the card.

On card "create seamless tile" you can choose between three options (of 
which the first two are unique, i.e. nowhere else to be found) to create 
a seamless tile:

- "Overlay mirrored" mirrors the "overlapping" parts of the tile borders 
with an optimized transition blending
- "Overlay stretched" stretches a selected border region into both 
directions
- "Overlay cropped" produces a blended overlay of the border regions and 
crops the resulting tile to provide exact tile borders (This is - to my 
experience - the most often used variant of producing seamless tiles 
(Photoshop, PainShopPro etc.))

For all three options you can determine five sizes of  the "transition 
width" of the overlapping areas, from "wide" to "very small".

Of course, it depends very much on the nature and structure of the image 
segment used for producing the seamless tile which "option" and 
"transition width" is most suited for your purposes.

The produced tile can be tested immediately as a screen-size pattern.

The tile can be modified (before and after producing the "seamless" tile):

- proportional resizing
- "paler colors" : make colors successively paler to produce unobtrusive 
backpatterns, which is probably one of the most important buttons of the 
stack
- simplifying colors (brighten, gray scale, three-threshold gray, 
"reduce colors" to 8, 27, 64, and 125 colors)
- changing colors ("complementary" negative colors, "rotate colors" 
successively red, green, and blue, "sepia", and "duplicate colors")
- five quick "hues" filters
- matrix filters (12 filters are provided which could be useful for 
background patterns: "fine emboss", "textured emboss", "contours", 
"thick contours", three variants of "lithography", "gray relief", "red 
tint", "despeckle 3x3", and "despeckle full"). An external is not needed 
here.
The despeckle filters rely on a "median" algorithm and do more than 
simply remove noise from the image; especially the "despeckle full" 
filter, which produces painting-like tiles.

All modifying effects can be combined successively, e.g. you could 
"rotate" the "red tint" to green, or "brighten" the "contours" filter 
effect until you have got an unobtrusive background etc..

Eventually, the tile can be exported in PNG format for further use.


-- Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep  7 19:30:06 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:30:06 -0700
Subject: Adjust playRate while preserving pitch?
Message-ID: <46E1DEFE.9040201@fourthworld.com>

I understand QT 7 and later has an option to adjust the playrate of 
media while preserving pitch.  I've searched BZ for a request to support 
this, but haven't found one.  The closes was a request to be able to set 
the movieControllerID so that an external could be written to take 
advantage of this API (#3299).

Do any of you know of a BZ request to adjust playRate while preserving 
pitch?  If so I'll add my votes for it; if not, I'll make a new one.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Sep  7 19:57:37 2007
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:57:37 -0400
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
Message-ID: <97CE13C3-95A5-4F1E-BB23-AF52DD7A2EA2@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I think I have a lot to learn about resolution and differences  
between displays.  I developed a stack that is 887 x 657 on an iMac  
with a screen that is  1920 x 1200.  I transferred the stack to work  
to use on an older iMac whose display is 1024 x 768.  What happens at  
work is that the width of the stack displays fine but a strip along  
the bottom (with all the darn buttons) is cut off.   Should I have  
known that this would happen?  What am I doing wrong?

	Regards,

		Gregory 


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep  7 20:10:50 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 02:10:50 +0200
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <97CE13C3-95A5-4F1E-BB23-AF52DD7A2EA2@videotron.ca>
References: <97CE13C3-95A5-4F1E-BB23-AF52DD7A2EA2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <53A61706-7BB6-4593-9A52-125FDE1C2C27@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Gregory,

Yes, you should have known ;-) but you didn't really do anything  
wrong. 1024x768 still is a widely used standard and it is wise to  
make sure that a static window fits on a screen with that size.  
Alternatively, make yor stack resizable or group all objects in the  
stack window and give the group scrollbars. You can adjust the size  
of the stack in the preOpenStack script to make sure that  
automatically fits on the screen.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com


Op 8-sep-2007, om 1:57 heeft Gregory Lypny het volgende geschreven:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I think I have a lot to learn about resolution and differences  
> between displays.  I developed a stack that is 887 x 657 on an iMac  
> with a screen that is  1920 x 1200.  I transferred the stack to  
> work to use on an older iMac whose display is 1024 x 768.  What  
> happens at work is that the width of the stack displays fine but a  
> strip along the bottom (with all the darn buttons) is cut off.    
> Should I have known that this would happen?  What am I doing wrong?
>
> 	Regards,
>
> 		Gregory




From rpresender at cox.net  Fri Sep  7 21:52:03 2007
From: rpresender at cox.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:52:03 -0700
Subject: CheckMark a menu item
Message-ID: <d52ee01148d40a8b9645e2b70de2688a@cox.net>

Hi,

Using Mac OSX, Rev 2.8.1

Will appreciate help in learning how to place a check mark
in front of a menu item of a pulldown menu button in a menu bar.

Several menu items contain the name of cards.

Can't find any help in the Docs.

Thank you.

Regards ... Bob



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep  7 23:29:57 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:29:57 -0700
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <97CE13C3-95A5-4F1E-BB23-AF52DD7A2EA2@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <C3076545.2E2D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> I think I have a lot to learn about resolution and differences
> between displays.  I developed a stack that is 887 x 657 on an iMac
> with a screen that is  1920 x 1200.  I transferred the stack to work
> to use on an older iMac whose display is 1024 x 768.  What happens at
> work is that the width of the stack displays fine but a strip along
> the bottom (with all the darn buttons) is cut off.   Should I have
> known that this would happen?  What am I doing wrong?

Either my math is wrong or your measurements are off.  You say your stack is
657 pixels high, and your old iMac screen is 768 pixels high.  You *should*
have 111 pixels to spare (minus the height of the menubar) for displaying
your stack.  The only other thing I can think of is perhaps checking the
windowBoundingRect property.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep  7 23:57:54 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:57:54 -0500
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <C3076545.2E2D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3076545.2E2D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <46E21DC2.1060908@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> 
>> I think I have a lot to learn about resolution and differences
>> between displays.  I developed a stack that is 887 x 657 on an iMac
>> with a screen that is  1920 x 1200.  I transferred the stack to work
>> to use on an older iMac whose display is 1024 x 768.  What happens at
>> work is that the width of the stack displays fine but a strip along
>> the bottom (with all the darn buttons) is cut off.   Should I have
>> known that this would happen?  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Either my math is wrong or your measurements are off.  You say your stack is
> 657 pixels high, and your old iMac screen is 768 pixels high.  You *should*
> have 111 pixels to spare (minus the height of the menubar) for displaying
> your stack.  The only other thing I can think of is perhaps checking the
> windowBoundingRect property.

I had a strange experience a couple of years ago where a stack that 
should have fit on a screen always opened with the bottom 20 pixels cut 
off when opened on a monitor with lower resolution, even though there 
was enough room under the window to fit the full height. The only way I 
found to fix it was to resize the stack on the low-resolution screen so 
it looked right, and save it there. Then the next time I opened the 
stack on any monitor, it always looked okay from then on.

I think it might be related to the bug that cuts off the bottom of some 
stacks for reasons unknown. I have had a few of those and I bugzillaed 
it a couple of years ago. The bug remains verified but unfixed. I've 
seen occasional reports of it on the list sometimes. It's sporadic.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep  8 00:10:54 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:10:54 -0500
Subject: CheckMark a menu item
In-Reply-To: <d52ee01148d40a8b9645e2b70de2688a@cox.net>
References: <d52ee01148d40a8b9645e2b70de2688a@cox.net>
Message-ID: <46E220CE.2070700@hyperactivesw.com>

Robert Presender wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Using Mac OSX, Rev 2.8.1
> 
> Will appreciate help in learning how to place a check mark
> in front of a menu item of a pulldown menu button in a menu bar.

Here are the symbols:


-  makes a divider between groups of menu items
!c makes the menu item a hilited check box
!n makes the menu item an unhilited check box
!r makes the menu item a hilited radio button
!u makes the menu item an unhilited radio button
(  makes the menu item disabled

Have your script insert "!c" before the checked menu item, and remove 
those 2 characters to uncheck it. The "check box" refered to above is 
mostly for Linux use. On a Mac, it shows the system menu checkmark 
instead. You don't need the unhilited check box, it isn't part of the 
Mac OS.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  8 03:04:40 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:04:40 +0100
Subject: Well guess what?  Guess what? Congratulations and Welcome!
Message-ID: <200709080804.40857.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Yes, its 2.9 Beta for Linux.  It will not be necessary to say more.  It will 
not be possible anyway, since I'm off to play with it. 

 This is great news, thanks and congratulations to everyone.

Peter


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Sep  8 12:46:35 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:46:35 +0300
Subject: Well guess what?  Guess what? Congratulations and Welcome!
In-Reply-To: <200709080804.40857.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200709080804.40857.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46E2D1EB.1000104@ekoinf.net>

Yahoooo! One more important fix is fixed unicode character mapping 
issues for a few languages (including my native) on Windows. Thanks and 
all the best!
Viktoras

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Yes, its 2.9 Beta for Linux.  It will not be necessary to say more.  It will 
> not be possible anyway, since I'm off to play with it. 
>
>  This is great news, thanks and congratulations to everyone.
>
> Peter
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sat Sep  8 14:48:15 2007
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:48:15 -0400
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <20070908170004.BA5884898EE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070908170004.BA5884898EE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7D76B17A-93EE-4D2D-BB01-852C97661EF1@videotron.ca>

Thanks for responding, Jacqueline, Mark, and Scott.

I think Scott has the answer.  When I check the windowBoundingRect  
property, I get "0,74,1920,1136,"which puts the height of the stack  
at 1,062, and exceeds the height of the iMac display.  I've never had  
occasion to set the windowBoundingRect, but apparently it is padded  
on the Mac OS to allow for the menu bar, although I'm not sure what  
menu bar is being referred to.  Is it the Mac OS Finder menu bar, or  
is it a menu bar that the Revolution developer may, at some time,  
create for the stack?

Regards,

Gregory Lypny

Associate Professor of Finance
John Molson School of Business
Concordia University
Montreal, Canada



> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 02:10:50 +0200
> From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Subject: Re: Window Sizes on Different Macs
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <53A61706-7BB6-4593-9A52-125FDE1C2C27 at economy-x-talk.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Hi Gregory,
>
> Yes, you should have known ;-) but you didn't really do anything
> wrong. 1024x768 still is a widely used standard and it is wise to
> make sure that a static window fits on a screen with that size.
> Alternatively, make yor stack resizable or group all objects in the
> stack window and give the group scrollbars. You can adjust the size
> of the stack in the preOpenStack script to make sure that
> automatically fits on the screen.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:57:54 -0500
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: Window Sizes on Different Macs
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <46E21DC2.1060908 at hyperactivesw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>>
>>> I think I have a lot to learn about resolution and differences
>>> between displays.  I developed a stack that is 887 x 657 on an iMac
>>> with a screen that is  1920 x 1200.  I transferred the stack to work
>>> to use on an older iMac whose display is 1024 x 768.  What  
>>> happens at
>>> work is that the width of the stack displays fine but a strip along
>>> the bottom (with all the darn buttons) is cut off.   Should I have
>>> known that this would happen?  What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Either my math is wrong or your measurements are off.  You say  
>> your stack is
>> 657 pixels high, and your old iMac screen is 768 pixels high.  You  
>> *should*
>> have 111 pixels to spare (minus the height of the menubar) for  
>> displaying
>> your stack.  The only other thing I can think of is perhaps  
>> checking the
>> windowBoundingRect property.
>



From curry at pair.com  Sat Sep  8 18:25:53 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:25:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <20070908170005.1734F489935@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070908170005.1734F489935@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4509.69.242.143.211.1189290353.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>

> the width of the stack displays fine but a strip along
> the bottom (with all the darn buttons) is cut off.

Are you running the stack in the Rev IDE? Perhaps it might not get cut off
as a standalone. But you still can keep that stack size, whether it's
standalone or in the IDE; in any case, on preopenstack, just set the top
or bottom or loc of the stack to position it, and if needed, the height if
it was actually shortened. (Or set the rect if you want to do it all in
one step.)

Best,

Curry

--
Curry K. Software
http://curryk.com/



From chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au  Sat Sep  8 20:56:55 2007
From: chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au (chris livermore)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:56:55 +1000
Subject: Windows, driver file not found
Message-ID: <5BDB5702-5808-452B-85E9-9CAF91F5D3C4@unimelb.edu.au>

Hi
I've made a V4REV/Valentina/MAC OSX  standalaone and it works fine.
The WINDOWS standalone, however, will not initiate valentina...when I  
make the standalone Runrev alerts " Windows, driver file not found".  
It doesn't say which one but it appears to be Valentina.

My Database Drivers.txt file contains 'Valentina,VXCMD_macho.bundle'  
- however in the standalone settings (see below) Valentina has a '2'  
on the end, is that an issue?
I have made standalones from official Valentina examples and the same  
thing happens on Windows, but Mac is fine
---
Using Mac OS X 10.4.10,   V4REV 2.8.1-gm-3, Valentina 3.3

[selected] Select inclusions for standalone...
[checked] Ask dialog, Answer dialog, Cursors
Script libraries: Database, Internet, Table, Valentina2
Database support:, Valentina2

thanks

chris



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 22:40:42 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:40:42 +1000
Subject: Windows, driver file not found
In-Reply-To: <5BDB5702-5808-452B-85E9-9CAF91F5D3C4@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <5BDB5702-5808-452B-85E9-9CAF91F5D3C4@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709081940w1c6440act950577d893390eb@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/9/07, chris livermore <chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi
> I've made a V4REV/Valentina/MAC OSX  standalaone and it works fine.
> The WINDOWS standalone, however, will not initiate valentina...when I
> make the standalone Runrev alerts " Windows, driver file not found".
> It doesn't say which one but it appears to be Valentina.
>
> My Database Drivers.txt file contains 'Valentina,VXCMD_macho.bundle'
> - however in the standalone settings (see below) Valentina has a '2'
> on the end, is that an issue?

I don't know much about Valentina, but .bundle files are Mac OS X
only. Is there a Valentina dll anywhere that you should be including?

Sarah


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sun Sep  9 04:49:26 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:49:26 +0300
Subject: Windows, driver file not found
In-Reply-To: <5BDB5702-5808-452B-85E9-9CAF91F5D3C4@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C3098E46.7CC7B%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 9/9/07 3:56 AM, "chris livermore" <chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

Hi Chris,

> Hi
> I've made a V4REV/Valentina/MAC OSX  standalaone and it works fine.
> The WINDOWS standalone, however, will not initiate valentina...when I
> make the standalone Runrev alerts " Windows, driver file not found".
> It doesn't say which one but it appears to be Valentina.
 
> My Database Drivers.txt file contains 'Valentina,VXCMD_macho.bundle'
> - however in the standalone settings (see below) Valentina has a '2'
> on the end, is that an issue?

> I have made standalones from official Valentina examples and the same
> thing happens on Windows, but Mac is fine
> ---
> Using Mac OS X 10.4.10,   V4REV 2.8.1-gm-3, Valentina 3.3
 
> [selected] Select inclusions for standalone...
> [checked] Ask dialog, Answer dialog, Cursors
> Script libraries: Database, Internet, Table, Valentina2
> Database support:, Valentina2

I will ask Kirill to check these settings and we will let you know.


I want note that REVOLUTION includes in own installer old VXCMD v1.
It has name " Valentina" in REV lists.

As I see this often confuses people.

I think we need ask Revolution guys for next build, e.g. 2.9
Remove v1 of Valentina from own installer.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From toolbook at kestner.de  Sun Sep  9 09:40:20 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:40:20 +0200
Subject: still standard folder under Vista
Message-ID: <000f01c7f2e6$f7f38500$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

though I know Ken's excellent table of standard folders, I am still quite
unsure with Vista. I have googled, but didn't find any satisfying answer to:

1.	what is the difference between a "local" and a "roaming" folder and
which one should I use for a standard ini file?
2.	On german Vista installation there is a "C:/Users/Tiemo/AppData"
folder (which is a hidden system folder) AND a "C:Users/Tiemo/Application
Data" folder, which is always visible. What is the difference?
3.	If I use e.g. the special folder "26" (CSIDL_APPDATA) my datas are
put to the hidden "C:/Users/Tiemo/AppData" folder. Which special folder is
the path to the visible "Application Data"? In Ken's table there is no
differentiation between these two and I think it could even be a
german-vista specific topic?

 

Any hint appreciated

Tiemo

 

 

 

 



From lynnp333 at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 10:07:34 2007
From: lynnp333 at aol.com (Lynn Marie Peterson)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OSX simulated toolbar
Message-ID: <12579233.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi folks ~

Before I possibly re-event the proverbial wheel, has anyone tackled
simulating the Mac OSX toolbar yet? Something that mimics the Human
Interface Guide for Apple's own XCode NSToolbar, etc.?
I've searched all the Rev sites I can think of for posts or example stacks
to no avail so far.  I'd really like to incorporate this in my OSX apps, but
didn't want to start from scratch if I didn't need to.

Thanks for any info...
Lynn P.
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep  9 11:18:05 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:18:05 -0500
Subject: Mac OSX simulated toolbar
In-Reply-To: <12579233.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12579233.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20070909101805184745.30362386@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), Lynn Marie Peterson wrote:

> 
> Hi folks ~
> 
> Before I possibly re-event the proverbial wheel, has anyone tackled
> simulating the Mac OSX toolbar yet? Something that mimics the Human
> Interface Guide for Apple's own XCode NSToolbar, etc.?
> I've searched all the Rev sites I can think of for posts or example stacks
> to no avail so far.  I'd really like to incorporate this in my OSX apps, but
> didn't want to start from scratch if I didn't need to.

Lynn, I've looked into it, and even have a cobbled-together version 
partially working, but (a) it's not ready for public consumption, and 
(b) there's one aspect of the OS X toolbar that can't be simulated 
properly - the "Configure Toolbar..." menu item (it's sheet that drops 
down from *below the toolbar*, not from the titlebar), and even if that 
*did* work, dragging and dropping items into and out of the toolbar is 
going to be painful.... 


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep  9 11:41:09 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:41:09 -0500
Subject: still standard folder under Vista
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7f2e6$f7f38500$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000f01c7f2e6$f7f38500$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20070909104109552552.ad719e3d@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:40:20 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> 1.	what is the difference between a "local" and a "roaming" folder and
> which one should I use for a standard ini file?

Well, the short answer (which I'm 90% sure is correct) is that the 
'roaming' folder is a user profile that can be redirected to another 
location by a system administrator through the Group Policy Object 
Editor application with the Folder Redirection snap-in. Basically, what 
this means is that in a corporate environment, a user's AppData may 
actually be on another machine (say a server) instead of on the client 
machine. So by writing to Roaming, the data will be written for the 
user to wherever the Roaming folder has been redirected, whereas if you 
write to Local, it will be written on the client machine.

There's a wonderful and (oddly for Microsoft) informative white paper 
called "Managing Roaming User Data Deployment Guide" that goes into 
this and more (just do a google search for the full title of the white 
paper - should be the first link).

As to where *you* should write your INI file, that's up to you. If you 
want it to go with the user's profile, wherever it is redirected and 
not tie it to a specific machine, use Roaming. If you don't care, or 
specifically want to tie it to a machine, use Local.

> 2.	On german Vista installation there is a "C:/Users/Tiemo/AppData"
> folder (which is a hidden system folder) AND a "C:Users/Tiemo/Application
> Data" folder, which is always visible. What is the difference?
>
> 3.	If I use e.g. the special folder "26" (CSIDL_APPDATA) my datas are
> put to the hidden "C:/Users/Tiemo/AppData" folder. Which special folder is
> the path to the visible "Application Data"? In Ken's table there is no
> differentiation between these two and I think it could even be a
> german-vista specific topic?

This sounds to me like some third-party app is creating the Application 
Data folder because it is isn't calling on the system to find out the 
path (i.e. they hardcoded a path and just created the folders 
inbetween). As such, there's no special folder path to it.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From toolbook at kestner.de  Sun Sep  9 11:56:52 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:56:52 +0200
Subject: AW: still standard folder under Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070909104109552552.ad719e3d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7f2fa$0a8320a0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello Ken,
your Sunday service for roaming is quite enlightening!
I've checked a couple of machine, and they all have "AppData" as well as
"Application Data". The important thing for me is, that I was looking for a
Folder in the users path, which is visible for the user with standard
settings (the "AppData" is invisible in standard). On the other hand the
"Users/documents" folder, which is visible is to "far high up in the folder
hierachy" and too present for the user. That?s why I would have loved to use
the "Application Data", which is standard visible in the user folder. Hmmm

Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Ray
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. September 2007 17:41
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: still standard folder under Vista
> 
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:40:20 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > 1.	what is the difference between a "local" and a "roaming" folder and
> > which one should I use for a standard ini file?
> 
> Well, the short answer (which I'm 90% sure is correct) is that the
> 'roaming' folder is a user profile that can be redirected to another
> location by a system administrator through the Group Policy Object
> Editor application with the Folder Redirection snap-in. Basically, what
> this means is that in a corporate environment, a user's AppData may
> actually be on another machine (say a server) instead of on the client
> machine. So by writing to Roaming, the data will be written for the
> user to wherever the Roaming folder has been redirected, whereas if you
> write to Local, it will be written on the client machine.
> 
> There's a wonderful and (oddly for Microsoft) informative white paper
> called "Managing Roaming User Data Deployment Guide" that goes into
> this and more (just do a google search for the full title of the white
> paper - should be the first link).
> 
> As to where *you* should write your INI file, that's up to you. If you
> want it to go with the user's profile, wherever it is redirected and
> not tie it to a specific machine, use Roaming. If you don't care, or
> specifically want to tie it to a machine, use Local.
> 
> > 2.	On german Vista installation there is a "C:/Users/Tiemo/AppData"
> > folder (which is a hidden system folder) AND a
> "C:Users/Tiemo/Application
> > Data" folder, which is always visible. What is the difference?
> >
> > 3.	If I use e.g. the special folder "26" (CSIDL_APPDATA) my datas are
> > put to the hidden "C:/Users/Tiemo/AppData" folder. Which special folder
> is
> > the path to the visible "Application Data"? In Ken's table there is no
> > differentiation between these two and I think it could even be a
> > german-vista specific topic?
> 
> This sounds to me like some third-party app is creating the Application
> Data folder because it is isn't calling on the system to find out the
> path (i.e. they hardcoded a path and just created the folders
> inbetween). As such, there's no special folder path to it.
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep  9 12:21:39 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:21:39 -0500
Subject: AW: still standard folder under Vista
In-Reply-To: <001d01c7f2fa$0a8320a0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001d01c7f2fa$0a8320a0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20070909112139141355.ae23a3ff@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:56:52 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello Ken,
> your Sunday service for roaming is quite enlightening!

:-)

> I've checked a couple of machine, and they all have "AppData" as well as
> "Application Data". The important thing for me is, that I was looking for a
> Folder in the users path, which is visible for the user with standard
> settings (the "AppData" is invisible in standard). On the other hand the
> "Users/documents" folder, which is visible is to "far high up in the folder
> hierachy" and too present for the user. That?s why I would have loved to use
> the "Application Data", which is standard visible in the user folder. Hmmm

Is is possible that these were XP machines that were upgraded to Vista? 
I haven't done that (my experience has only been with PCs with Vista 
pre-installed), but it wouldn't surprise me if for backwards 
compatibility Vista might have left the old folder around...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From toolbook at kestner.de  Sun Sep  9 12:34:44 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:44 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: still standard folder under Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070909112139141355.ae23a3ff@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c7f2ff$54ef4e20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Noop, two brand new machines. Someone told me that the "Application Data"
folder is supposed to be only a shortcut, but on my machines the content of
the two folders are completely different. The visible "Application Data"
folder contents only one file "Microsoft/Forms/RefEdit.exd" All other files
are in the invisible "AppData" folder. So it actually seems to be a MS
folder.

BTW my first try was to use folder "35 - CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA", but I don't
find this dammed folder, even if I use "show also hidden system folders" So
there must be another way with permissions? To see "all" folders, as also
the "virtual store". Any hint?
Thanks 
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Ray
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. September 2007 18:22
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: still standard folder under Vista
> 
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:56:52 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hello Ken,
> > your Sunday service for roaming is quite enlightening!
> 
> :-)
> 
> > I've checked a couple of machine, and they all have "AppData" as well as
> > "Application Data". The important thing for me is, that I was looking
> for a
> > Folder in the users path, which is visible for the user with standard
> > settings (the "AppData" is invisible in standard). On the other hand the
> > "Users/documents" folder, which is visible is to "far high up in the
> folder
> > hierachy" and too present for the user. That?s why I would have loved to
> use
> > the "Application Data", which is standard visible in the user folder.
> Hmmm
> 
> Is is possible that these were XP machines that were upgraded to Vista?
> I haven't done that (my experience has only been with PCs with Vista
> pre-installed), but it wouldn't surprise me if for backwards
> compatibility Vista might have left the old folder around...
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From lynnp333 at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 12:46:51 2007
From: lynnp333 at aol.com (Lynn Marie Peterson)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:46:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OSX simulated toolbar
In-Reply-To: <20070909101805184745.30362386@sonsothunder.com>
References: <12579233.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20070909101805184745.30362386@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <12580586.post@talk.nabble.com>



Ken Ray wrote:
> 
> Lynn, I've looked into it, and even have a cobbled-together version 
> partially working, but (a) it's not ready for public consumption, and 
> (b) there's one aspect of the OS X toolbar that can't be simulated 
> properly - the "Configure Toolbar..." menu item (it's sheet that drops 
> down from *below the toolbar*, not from the titlebar), and even if that 
> *did* work, dragging and dropping items into and out of the toolbar is 
> going to be painful.... 
> 
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
Thanks for your input Ken. Much appreciated. I just went over the Apple docs
on this and was just wondering about the sheet aspect - never noticed
exactly where the sheet dropped for the toolbars until now... and the drag
and drop nightmare as well. 

I am getting a bit frustrated at not having some specific graphic objects
not available such as a true rounded search box (I use the simulated idea as
Rev itself has in it's documentation window) and the tab panel only having
tabs at the top (I put in an enhancement request at the QA Center (Report
#5326), etc.  But at least I can simulate them, even though it's a pain to
create all the graphics and functionality at times to simulate it all.  At
least once it's done... it's a reusable object. End of gripe. :-)

Anyway... thanks for responding Ken. I suppose I'll just try a different
approach, at least for now. I don't want to simulate an OS specific feature
half way which may be confusing to users of my software. Good luck on
finishing your endeavor on the toolbar!
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From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr  Sun Sep  9 13:57:06 2007
From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:57:06 +0200
Subject: Mac OSX simulated toolbar
In-Reply-To: <12580586.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12579233.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20070909101805184745.30362386@sonsothunder.com>
	<12580586.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <FD832E51-B0ED-41FA-81E8-2509410CB1BE@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

Such an enhencement was filled under number 706 on 2003/09/25 by Jan  
Schenkel.

Best,

?rIC

Le 9 sept. 07 ? 18:46, Lynn Marie Peterson a ?crit :

>
>
> Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>> Lynn, I've looked into it, and even have a cobbled-together version
>> partially working, but (a) it's not ready for public consumption, and
>> (b) there's one aspect of the OS X toolbar that can't be simulated
>> properly - the "Configure Toolbar..." menu item (it's sheet that  
>> drops
>> down from *below the toolbar*, not from the titlebar), and even if  
>> that
>> *did* work, dragging and dropping items into and out of the  
>> toolbar is
>> going to be painful....
>>
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>
> Thanks for your input Ken. Much appreciated. I just went over the  
> Apple docs
> on this and was just wondering about the sheet aspect - never noticed
> exactly where the sheet dropped for the toolbars until now... and  
> the drag
> and drop nightmare as well.
>
> I am getting a bit frustrated at not having some specific graphic  
> objects
> not available such as a true rounded search box (I use the  
> simulated idea as
> Rev itself has in it's documentation window) and the tab panel only  
> having
> tabs at the top (I put in an enhancement request at the QA Center  
> (Report
> #5326), etc.  But at least I can simulate them, even though it's a  
> pain to
> create all the graphics and functionality at times to simulate it  
> all.  At
> least once it's done... it's a reusable object. End of gripe. :-)
>
> Anyway... thanks for responding Ken. I suppose I'll just try a  
> different
> approach, at least for now. I don't want to simulate an OS specific  
> feature
> half way which may be confusing to users of my software. Good luck on
> finishing your endeavor on the toolbar!
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Mac-OSX- 
> simulated-toolbar-tf4409458.html#a12580586
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From rpresender at cox.net  Sun Sep  9 14:30:50 2007
From: rpresender at cox.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:30:50 -0700
Subject: CheckMark a menu item
In-Reply-To: <20070908170004.D8C02489933@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070908170004.D8C02489933@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <e75aa87224e1077804a5b5398ef04769@cox.net>

Thank you Jacque for your response.
Will put it to work.

Regards ... Bob



From lynnp333 at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 15:48:39 2007
From: lynnp333 at aol.com (Lynn Marie Peterson)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OSX simulated toolbar
In-Reply-To: <FD832E51-B0ED-41FA-81E8-2509410CB1BE@wanadoo.fr>
References: <12579233.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20070909101805184745.30362386@sonsothunder.com>
	<12580586.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<FD832E51-B0ED-41FA-81E8-2509410CB1BE@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <12582355.post@talk.nabble.com>



?ric Miclo wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Such an enhencement was filled under number 706 on 2003/09/25 by Jan  
> Schenkel.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ?rIC
> 
Thanks Eric :-)

I had a look at that enhancement, but since it was filed originally 4 years
ago, I won't hold my breath for Rev to add specific OS enhancement features.
After reading that enhancement request, I'm not sure if it was referring to
the variety which lets a user customize or add a default set of tools...
similiar to the Finder's own View menu->Customize Toolbar... when one has a
window open in the Finder - which comes down as a sheet and one can drag
icons and separators to and from, to customize a toolbar.
I could be wrong, but the enhancement #706 looked like a request to just
toggle a static toolbar set of icons at the top of an OS X Rev application
window which is a bit different than the customized toolbars idea.  Then
again... maybe I misunderstood the ongoing dialog under that enhancement
request. Either way, it doesn't appear to be a feature at the top of Rev's
to do list. :-(
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Sep  9 16:37:08 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:37:08 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Seamless Tiles Generator 2
Message-ID: <46E45974.8010509@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

 From the logs of my website I see that quite a number of list members 
downloaded the stack. Some (two or three) however dowloaded version 1  
because they maybe chose the first option from my "samples stacks" page.

Interestingly and concerning my examples of image art is that  the 
"Pattern Art" galleries - using the backcolor of invisible chars of a 
text field as the basis for color patterns - draw much more interest and 
visitors than the "Imagedata Galleries".

I should mention that the filter examples of the Tiles Generator - the 
scripts of  most of them are accessible  - could be transferred to your 
own stacks and applied to images of any size. As the scripts work 
without an external, however, the processing speed for larger pictures 
should be slow.

If you should be interested to the degree to give some kind of feedback 
or to suggest additional features, let me know  on- or offlist.

--Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Sep 10 05:55:43 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:55:43 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
Message-ID: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I'm facing a strange behaviour regarding nested groups.

I have a substack that contains 12 groups named "search1" to
"search12". Each group contains various objects (exactly the
same kind of objects in the same order with the same names),
among which is a group "date" that contains 3 fields named
"day", "month" and "year".

Here the strange behaviour : if I put in grp "date" of any grp
"search" the script line :
    put the owner of me
it always returns the right group name ("search1", "search2" etc)

BUT when I put the following script line in each field of groups
"date"
    put the owner of the owner of me
it always returns group "search1" !!!!!!!!

Any idea of what's happening ?

Thanks in advance,
JB



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Sep 10 06:09:47 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:09:47 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <46E517EB.A01EB9F5@club-internet.fr>

well, I just found the explanation. "the owner of me" returns
"group date" (for instance), and since each of my groups "search"
contains the same kind of objects with the same names, Rev
checks some lookup table for a group "date" and the first one it finds
is group "date" in group "search1"...

I've been deeply into xml lately and I thought that "the owner of me"
would return some kind of unique object identifier... next time I'll
think twice before coding blindly...

Best,
JB

> Hi list,
>
> I'm facing a strange behaviour regarding nested groups.
>
> I have a substack that contains 12 groups named "search1" to
> "search12". Each group contains various objects (exactly the
> same kind of objects in the same order with the same names),
> among which is a group "date" that contains 3 fields named
> "day", "month" and "year".
>
> Here the strange behaviour : if I put in grp "date" of any grp
> "search" the script line :
>     put the owner of me
> it always returns the right group name ("search1", "search2" etc)
>
> BUT when I put the following script line in each field of groups
> "date"
>     put the owner of the owner of me
> it always returns group "search1" !!!!!!!!
>
> Any idea of what's happening ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> JB
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Sep 10 06:19:35 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:19:35 +0100
Subject: OpenCV and Rev
Message-ID: <46E51A37.2010903@cogapp.com>

Has anyone done any work accessing OpenCV (open-source computer vision 
library) from Revolution?

If so I'd be most interested to hear more, on- or off- list.

Many thanks,

- Ben



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 10 06:28:59 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
In-Reply-To: <46E517EB.A01EB9F5@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <80774.20607.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>

--- jbv <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
> well, I just found the explanation. "the owner of
> me" returns
> "group date" (for instance), and since each of my
> groups "search"
> contains the same kind of objects with the same
> names, Rev
> checks some lookup table for a group "date" and the
> first one it finds
> is group "date" in group "search1"...
> 
> I've been deeply into xml lately and I thought that
> "the owner of me"
> would return some kind of unique object
> identifier... next time I'll
> think twice before coding blindly...
> 
> Best,
> JB
> 

Hi JB,

As you concluded, "the owner of me" returns a short
reference to the group, which can of course be
ambiguous. If you have multiple groups with the same
name on your card, Revolution will then grab the first
group it can find.

The solution is to work with the long ID of the object
itself. The long ID of the owner is then word 4 to -1
of this long ID.
This trick resolves the name ambiguity.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 10 06:37:36 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac OSX simulated toolbar
In-Reply-To: <12582355.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <96613.82619.qm@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Lynn Marie Peterson <lynnp333 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?ric Miclo wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Such an enhencement was filled under number 706 on
> 2003/09/25 by Jan  
> > Schenkel.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > ?rIC
> > 
> Thanks Eric :-)
> 
> I had a look at that enhancement, but since it was
> filed originally 4 years
> ago, I won't hold my breath for Rev to add specific
> OS enhancement features.
> After reading that enhancement request, I'm not sure
> if it was referring to
> the variety which lets a user customize or add a
> default set of tools...
> similiar to the Finder's own View menu->Customize
> Toolbar... when one has a
> window open in the Finder - which comes down as a
> sheet and one can drag
> icons and separators to and from, to customize a
> toolbar.
> I could be wrong, but the enhancement #706 looked
> like a request to just
> toggle a static toolbar set of icons at the top of
> an OS X Rev application
> window which is a bit different than the customized
> toolbars idea.  Then
> again... maybe I misunderstood the ongoing dialog
> under that enhancement
> request. Either way, it doesn't appear to be a
> feature at the top of Rev's
> to do list. :-(
>  

Hi Lynn et al,

That request was for the addition of a toolbar 'gel'
button in the window decorations. In that approach,
you'd still be setting up the toolbar itself.

Maybe it is time that menubar and toolbar are lifted
from the card environment and represent their own
sections of the window, where the applicable resources
of the operating system would reign.

We wouldn't have to worry about menu buttons anymore,
and they could be excluded from the height of stacks.
Toolbars should be defined in a similar manner,
allowing them to work in the most 'natural' way on
each platform: right-click to customize on MacOSX,
with drag-and-drop; a dark arrow at the right end with
a pulldown menu on Windows,...

Ah well, we can dream, right?

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Sep 10 06:49:22 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49:22 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <80774.20607.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46E52130.854AEDF4@club-internet.fr>



Jan,

Nevertheless I think it can be considered as a bug, or at least
as a serious limitation of the engine.

The Rev doc for "owner" says "Reports which object is next
in the object hierarchy", and since xml is now widespread, one
can expect "owner" to behave somehow like "parentNode"...

JB

>
> As you concluded, "the owner of me" returns a short
> reference to the group, which can of course be
> ambiguous. If you have multiple groups with the same
> name on your card, Revolution will then grab the first
> group it can find.
>
> The solution is to work with the long ID of the object
> itself. The long ID of the owner is then word 4 to -1
> of this long ID.
> This trick resolves the name ambiguity.



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Sep 10 07:31:38 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:31:38 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <80774.20607.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46E52B19.65236B06@club-internet.fr>



Jan,

it's me again... I'm afraid your solution doesn't work
with more than 2 levels of nested groups with similar names....

>
> The solution is to work with the long ID of the object
> itself. The long ID of the owner is then word 4 to -1
> of this long ID.
> This trick resolves the name ambiguity.

Here's the situation :

I have
    group "search1" (id 1021)
        which contains group "date" (id 1038)
            which contains field "day" (id 1029)

and
    group "search2" (id 4334)
        which contains group "date" (id 4335)
            which contains field "day" (id 4336)

if I type in the msg box :
    put the long id of owner of fld id 4336

it returns :
    group id 1038 of group id 1021 of card id 1002 of stack ...


But
    put the long id of the owner of grp id 4335
returns
    group id 4334 of card id 1002 of stack ...

Conclusion, I need to rename my groups "date" to "date1",
"date2" etc.


Best,
JB



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep 10 09:10:54 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:10:54 -0400
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
In-Reply-To: <46E52B19.65236B06@club-internet.fr>
References: <80774.20607.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
	<46E52B19.65236B06@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <D2868432-A61B-442F-BA16-E18B4F131A7A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 10, 2007, at 7:31 AM, jbv wrote:

> Jan,
>
> it's me again... I'm afraid your solution doesn't work
> with more than 2 levels of nested groups with similar names....

It you always start with the long id of the target and then delete 4  
words for each level you want to move up in the hierarchy you will be  
safe.

put the long id of the target into theID

delete word 1 to 4 of theID -- gives the owner

delete word 1 to 8 of theID -- gives the owner of the owner

.. etc.

IMO "the owner" should work in your scenario but it doesn't.


-- 
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Sep 10 12:18:43 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
Message-ID: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
problem. (thanx to this forum)

Q1.
But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
get the application to appear in the list of open applications?

Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
with the dragging the mouse while down.

The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
just don't know how to approach this issue.

Anyone with help on this?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Sep 10 12:19:54 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
Message-ID: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
problem. (thanx to this forum)

Q1.
But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.

Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
with the dragging the mouse while down.

The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
just don't know how to approach this issue.

Anyone with help on this?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Sep 10 13:07:03 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:07:03 -0500
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Hello Mark,

The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
Revolution.

I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
(http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:

        set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]

But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.

Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
a normal window would.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


mfstuart wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
> problem. (thanx to this forum)
> 
> Q1.
> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
> 
> Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
> works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
> mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
> with the dragging the mouse while down.
> 
> The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
> now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
> just don't know how to approach this issue.
> 
> Anyone with help on this?
> 
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart


From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Sep 10 13:22:17 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:22:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <12598225.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.

So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
is a ligit process on Windows.

I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
went.

============================================================


Derek Bump-2 wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
> as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
> Revolution.
> 
> I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
> (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
> enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
> vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:
> 
>         set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]
> 
> But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.
> 
> Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
> resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
> window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
> created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
> a normal window would.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> 
> mfstuart wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
>> 2.8.1).
>> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
>> problem. (thanx to this forum)
>> 
>> Q1.
>> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
>> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
>> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
>> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
>> 
>> Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack -
>> which
>> works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user
>> to
>> mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that
>> way,
>> with the dragging the mouse while down.
>> 
>> The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack
>> and
>> now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
>> just don't know how to approach this issue.
>> 
>> Anyone with help on this?
>> 
>> Thanx,
>> Mark Stuart
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From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Sep 10 13:22:38 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <12598225.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.

So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
is a ligit process on Windows.

I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
went.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart



Derek Bump-2 wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
> as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
> Revolution.
> 
> I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
> (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
> enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
> vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:
> 
>         set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]
> 
> But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.
> 
> Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
> resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
> window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
> created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
> a normal window would.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> 
> mfstuart wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
>> 2.8.1).
>> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
>> problem. (thanx to this forum)
>> 
>> Q1.
>> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
>> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
>> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
>> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
>> 
>> Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack -
>> which
>> works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user
>> to
>> mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that
>> way,
>> with the dragging the mouse while down.
>> 
>> The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack
>> and
>> now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
>> just don't know how to approach this issue.
>> 
>> Anyone with help on this?
>> 
>> Thanx,
>> Mark Stuart
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Sep 10 13:32:50 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:32:50 -0700
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <12598225.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<12598225.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c30b3000821a@[192.168.1.112]>

Mark, I don't know if you can see this, but your posts show up twice.

>Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.
>
>So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
>on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
>Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
>is a ligit process on Windows.
>
>I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
>went.
>
>Thanx,
>Mark Stuart

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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon Sep 10 13:50:06 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:50:06 +0200
Subject: "Seamless Tiles 2" - script correction
Message-ID: <46E583CE.4070903@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Sub-button "import image real size" of the menu of btn "import image" 
contains a reference to a deleted button "reset imported image unc" and 
therefore triggers an error dialog.

Please, delete the last word "unc" (and the space before "unc") of the 
wrong button name in the relevant 4 lines of the script or download the 
corrected version 2 from
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/SeamlessTiles2.zip>

Sorry for the inconvenience. I dislike such hastily produced bugs, 
although I seem to be in good company considering the number of new bugs 
introduced especially with pre- or beta-releases of some programs.

"unc" stands for "uncompressed". I had tried to find out the speed 
difference of retrieving an image from a custom property using 
"compressed" vs. "uncompressed" imagedata. The result is that resetting 
an image from uncompressed data is faster for image sizes < 1024, 
whereas from >1024 on compressed data are faster.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Sep 10 13:51:52 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:51:52 -0500
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <12598225.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>	<46E579B7.5070907@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<12598225.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <46E58438.4090206@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Mark,

Hopefully... I would suggest that you either add that to the enhancement
request, or create a new one for such a feature (Ex: set the
altTabVisible of this stack to [true|false]).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


mfstuart wrote:
> Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.
> 
> So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
> on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
> Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
> is a ligit process on Windows.
> 
> I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
> went.
> 
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> Derek Bump-2 wrote:
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>> The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
>> as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
>> Revolution.
>>
>> I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
>> (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
>> enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
>> vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:
>>
>>         set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]
>>
>> But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.
>>
>> Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
>> resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
>> window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
>> created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
>> a normal window would.
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>>
>> mfstuart wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
>>> 2.8.1).
>>> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
>>> problem. (thanx to this forum)
>>>
>>> Q1.
>>> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
>>> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
>>> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
>>> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
>>>
>>> Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack -
>>> which
>>> works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user
>>> to
>>> mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that
>>> way,
>>> with the dragging the mouse while down.
>>>
>>> The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack
>>> and
>>> now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
>>> just don't know how to approach this issue.
>>>
>>> Anyone with help on this?
>>>
>>> Thanx,
>>> Mark Stuart
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Sep 10 17:04:42 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:04:42 -0500
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <46E5B16A.5080900@siboneylg.com>

What you can do is set put the title bar back on the window and set the 
windowShape to a graphic the size of the window.  When a window's 
windowShape is set, you won't see the title bar, but it will now show up 
in the alt-tab list (and the task bar at the bottom).

-- 
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Juice Plus+ Independent Distributor
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 


mfstuart wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
> problem. (thanx to this forum)
>
> Q1.
> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
>
> Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
> works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
> mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
> with the dragging the mouse while down.
>
> The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
> now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
> just don't know how to approach this issue.
>
> Anyone with help on this?
>
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
>   



From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Sep 10 18:01:27 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:01:27 -0500
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <46E5B16A.5080900@siboneylg.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com> <46E5B16A.5080900@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <46E5BEB7.2060206@dreamscapesoftware.com>

This will work for windows that *don't* need to be resized.

If you set the windowShape to a graphic and then resize the window, you
will need to re-size the graphic dynamically and then re-set the
windowShape.

Basically you get a flashing window that resizes so poorly that you're
better off sticking with Window's built in UI.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


Peter T. Evensen wrote:
> What you can do is set put the title bar back on the window and set the
> windowShape to a graphic the size of the window.  When a window's
> windowShape is set, you won't see the title bar, but it will now show up
> in the alt-tab list (and the task bar at the bottom).
> 


From john at debraneys.com  Mon Sep 10 18:20:02 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:20:02 +0000
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
Message-ID: <W6267611126188131189462802@webmail24>

Hi JB,

Could you then use:

put the owner of the owner of (the long name of me)?
That would not be ambiguous because it is the long object path to the source of the message

Regards

John

>Subject: Re: strange nested groups behaviour
>
>well, I just found the explanation. "the owner of me" returns
>"group date" (for instance), and since each of my groups "search"
>contains the same kind of objects with the same names, Rev
>checks some lookup table for a group "date" and the first one it finds
>is group "date" in group "search1"...
>
>I've been deeply into xml lately and I thought that "the owner of me"
>would return some kind of unique object identifier... next time I'll
>think twice before coding blindly...
>
>Best,
>JB
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I'm facing a strange behaviour regarding nested groups.
>>
>> I have a substack that contains 12 groups named "search1" to
>> "search12". Each group contains various objects (exactly the
>> same kind of objects in the same order with the same names),
>> among which is a group "date" that contains 3 fields named
>> "day", "month" and "year".
>>
>> Here the strange behaviour : if I put in grp "date" of any grp
>> "search" the script line :
>> put the owner of me
>> it always returns the right group name ("search1", "search2" etc)
>>
>> BUT when I put the following script line in each field of groups
>> "date"
>> put the owner of the owner of me
>> it always returns group "search1" !!!!!!!!
>>
>> Any idea of what's happening ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> JB
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 10 18:36:44 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:36:44 -0500
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <46E5C6FC.8090506@hyperactivesw.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
> problem. (thanx to this forum)
> 
> Q1.
> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.

One workaround for this is to create a normal, toplevel window with the 
name of your app and make it the mainstack. Make your current stack a 
substack of this one. Put a script into the mainstack that goes to your 
current stack on every event that matters: openstack, resume, 
resumestack, etc. Place the mainstack somewhere offscreen.

When your standalone opens, the mainstack with the correct name will be 
displayed in all the usual Windows places. But as soon as it opens, it 
will go to the substack, which is the one you want to display. The same 
will happen if you click the name in the taskbar; your mainstack will 
briefly come to the front (but offscreen) and as soon as it resumes, it 
will bring your substack to the front.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mfstuart at cox.net  Mon Sep 10 18:56:22 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:56:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <46E5C6FC.8090506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<46E5C6FC.8090506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <12604748.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Jacqueline,
Might there be some kind of delay doing it this way?
Any case, I'll give it a try.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart



J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> mfstuart wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
>> 2.8.1).
>> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
>> problem. (thanx to this forum)
>> 
>> Q1.
>> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
>> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
>> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
>> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
> 
> One workaround for this is to create a normal, toplevel window with the 
> name of your app and make it the mainstack. Make your current stack a 
> substack of this one. Put a script into the mainstack that goes to your 
> current stack on every event that matters: openstack, resume, 
> resumestack, etc. Place the mainstack somewhere offscreen.
> 
> When your standalone opens, the mainstack with the correct name will be 
> displayed in all the usual Windows places. But as soon as it opens, it 
> will go to the substack, which is the one you want to display. The same 
> will happen if you click the name in the taskbar; your mainstack will 
> briefly come to the front (but offscreen) and as soon as it resumes, it 
> will bring your substack to the front.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Sep 10 18:57:40 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:57:40 -0700
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <46E21DC2.1060908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C3076545.2E2D9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<46E21DC2.1060908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E722E0A8-FBD8-4074-82AE-650A622EF8AE@dvcreators.net>

When designing for different size screens, also remember to take the  
OS X Dock into account- you don't know:

  - how big your user has their Dock
  - whether they have "auto-hide" on
  - whether it is Bottom (most common), Left or Right

My solution is to get the screenRect on startup, and

case it's too small
alert the user and quit

case it's 1024 X 768
set decorations to none and try to fit the stack as big as possible

case it's bigger
run normally (I design for 1024 X 768 minimum)


On Sep 7, 2007, at 8:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> a stack that should have fit on a screen always opened with the  
> bottom 20 pixels cut off when opened on a monitor with lower  
> resolution, even though there was enough room under the window to  
> fit the full height.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep 10 19:03:53 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:03:53 -0700
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
Message-ID: <46E5CD59.3060805@fourthworld.com>

Josh Mellicker wrote:

> When designing for different size screens, also remember to take the  
> OS X Dock into account- you don't know:
> 
>   - how big your user has their Dock
>   - whether they have "auto-hide" on
>   - whether it is Bottom (most common), Left or Right
> 
> My solution is to get the screenRect on startup, and
> 
> case it's too small
> alert the user and quit
> 
> case it's 1024 X 768
> set decorations to none and try to fit the stack as big as possible
> 
> case it's bigger
> run normally (I design for 1024 X 768 minimum)

Tip:  If you get the windowBoundingRect instead of the screenRect you'll 
get a rect that accounts for both the menubar and Dock (on OS X) and the 
Task Bar (Win). Since the size of both the Dock and the Task Bar are 
user-settable, it's the most convenient way to account for any 
configuration the user may have.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 10 19:04:31 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:04:31 -0500
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <12604748.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <12596879.post@talk.nabble.com>	<46E5C6FC.8090506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<12604748.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <46E5CD7F.1040203@hyperactivesw.com>

mfstuart wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> Might there be some kind of delay doing it this way?

No, shouldn't be. Your mainstack will be very tiny, completely empty 
except for a small stack script with a few handlers in it. You shouldn't 
even notice it is there.


> Any case, I'll give it a try.
> 
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> mfstuart wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
>>> 2.8.1).
>>> I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
>>> problem. (thanx to this forum)
>>>
>>> Q1.
>>> But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
>>> application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
>>> get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
>>> Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
>> One workaround for this is to create a normal, toplevel window with the 
>> name of your app and make it the mainstack. Make your current stack a 
>> substack of this one. Put a script into the mainstack that goes to your 
>> current stack on every event that matters: openstack, resume, 
>> resumestack, etc. Place the mainstack somewhere offscreen.
>>
>> When your standalone opens, the mainstack with the correct name will be 
>> displayed in all the usual Windows places. But as soon as it opens, it 
>> will go to the substack, which is the one you want to display. The same 
>> will happen if you click the name in the taskbar; your mainstack will 
>> briefly come to the front (but offscreen) and as soon as it resumes, it 
>> will bring your substack to the front.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
> 


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 10 20:35:35 2007
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <20070910170005.568EA48A2AB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <295464.93177.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Recently, i have been practising a new skill
(at least for me): parsing and display xml files.

But some xml files are from perfect (lacking closing
tags or with repeated tags or missing starting tags)
and frecuently send my code in a loop that requires
to force quit the Development environment.

What are my options to escape from these unending
loops
without having to force quit my application?

Thanks in advance.

al

Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


       
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Sep 10 21:02:47 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:02:47 -0700
Subject: Window Sizes on Different Macs
In-Reply-To: <46E5CD59.3060805@fourthworld.com>
References: <46E5CD59.3060805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2E7622EB-EA95-4289-863E-5E54C39C5B43@dvcreators.net>

Awesome tip!

On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> Tip:  If you get the windowBoundingRect instead of the screenRect  
> you'll get a rect that accounts for both the menubar and Dock (on  
> OS X) and the Task Bar (Win). Since the size of both the Dock and  
> the Task Bar are user-settable, it's the most convenient way to  
> account for any configuration the user may have.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Sep 10 22:00:39 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:00:39 +0100
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <295464.93177.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <295464.93177.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <774E28B9-5427-4307-A33C-3A4EB49D5D05@maseurope.net>

Alejandro, there is a global property "allowInterrupts" that should  
be set to true by default - it means that you can escape from runaway  
loops by pressing "command period" on a mac or (I think), "control  
period" on windows.

If this is not working, then type "set the allowInterrupts to true"  
in the message box, and it should then work.

If that fails (though it shouldn't), you can always do something like:

repeat forever
   if the controlKey is down then exit repeat
   do loop stuff.....
end repeat

so holding down the control key will exit the loop.

Best,

Mark

On 11 Sep 2007, at 01:35, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Recently, i have been practising a new skill
> (at least for me): parsing and display xml files.
>
> But some xml files are from perfect (lacking closing
> tags or with repeated tags or missing starting tags)
> and frecuently send my code in a loop that requires
> to force quit the Development environment.
>
> What are my options to escape from these unending
> loops
> without having to force quit my application?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> al
>
> Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from  
> someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Sep 10 22:02:04 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:02:04 -0700
Subject: Gradients, math and graphs
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0709030754l1f6ab4f1vcf43de6750fa494a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0708300414i7f7e88d7m6df8649aa683b5bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE5FC8A8-BF5B-4A94-BFA4-5B760895158B@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b0708310231g581070aav13bfde5ffde8617f@mail.gmail.com>
	<246C64C5-2F5C-4F0B-A5D9-857863FAA641@dvcreators.net>
	<c1c5836b0709030754l1f6ab4f1vcf43de6750fa494a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7EFE38E7-7ADE-4886-97AF-F720AF6F2D4D@dvcreators.net>

Hi David,

Sorry I missed this before... here is the stack:

http://www.leapingbrain.com/products/jjimport_fw.rev.zip


On Sep 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Josh - do I remember you mentioning that you had posted this stack to
> the list - I'd love to take a look now that I have downloaded
> Fireworks :)





__________________________________________________

Here's what it does:

FEATURES:
With one click, the "import_fw" stack:

  - imports a background image and folder of sliced Fireworks images
  - creates a new card with the name of the FW doc
  - puts your background image on the card
  - places buttons on the card with position and size identical to  
your FW doc
  - assigns normal, over and down states to the icons of those buttons
  - sets up the buttons to work with the cool rollover script written  
by Chipp, Mark Waddingham, & Richard Gaskin and puts that script into  
your new stack

So basically, once you create your cool interface and export it, you  
open our stack, click the "go" button, and sit back and watch the  
fireworks!



HOW TO:
I will work on better instructions upon request, until then here is a  
rough step-by-step, let me know if you have any problems:

IN FIREWORKS:
1. create a cool interface for a card in Fireworks. Name your  
Fireworks doc what you want your Rev card name to be.

2. no need to make "symbols" for buttons (you can if you want) but I  
find just creating rectangles or circles is much easier to edit and  
change around

3. copy Frame 1 to Frames 2 & 3.

4. in Frame 2 (your buttons "rollover" state) make your buttons get  
brighter and put a glow around them

5. in Frame 3 (your buttons "down" state) make your buttons get even  
brighter and move them a pixel to the right and a pixel down

6. slice around your buttons (no overlapping!)

7. if you wish, you can name your slices cleverly, so that your card  
script can pick up on the name and trigger some action, saving you  
from having to program the buttons individually in Rev

8. set your optimize settings to PNG 32

9. export background:
turn off all your button layers and export your background as a  
single .png image (choose "Images Only"). Use the default name, but  
type in "_bkgd" (so if your Fireworks document is "GrooveMonkey",  
your background should be called "GrooveMonkey_bkgd.png".

10. export button images:
turn off your background layer and turn on all your button layers,  
and make sure your document background is transparent (your buttons  
will have an alpha channel so you can reposition if you wish while  
retaining glows, shadows, etc.)

11. Now for the secret sauce: export one more time and choose  
"Director (.htm)" from Export popup. "Put Images in Subfolder" (call  
it "images"). Click the "Options" button, and under "Document  
Specific", set the first popup to "slice", the next 5 to "None", and  
by "Frame Names", set them to "underscore" and "Rollover".

So your "images" folder now should have files named something like:

bob_down.png
bob_over.png
bob.png
joe_down.png
joe_over.png
joe.png
mary_down.png
mary_over.png
mary.png


IN REVOLUTION:
Finally, open our Rev stack, click the "go" button, and locate the  
Director .htm file. All the rest is automatic.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 10 17:03:29 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:03:29 -0700
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>

jbv-

In addition to the above weirdnesses with the owner of a group, I think it's 
also bad form to use a keyword as the name of an object. You'll probably 
stay out of trouble more if you name it something like "grpDate". YMMV.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From sharonstamps at byu.edu  Tue Sep 11 00:08:37 2007
From: sharonstamps at byu.edu (Sharon Stamps)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:08:37 -0600
Subject: revBrowser or revGoURL?
Message-ID: <3566606F-EEB0-4858-B509-C624C3CF2C85@byu.edu>

Hello all,

I am looking at two possible ways to approach a requested feature...I  
am working with ESL teachers and they are using a service to create a  
grammar test - an HTML javaScript test.  They would like to use these  
pre-created tests in conjunction with a login and would also like to  
make sure the students cannot navigate from the test or see the  
address of the test.  So, my questions...

1.  I tried to work with revBrowser but was unable to get the  
javaScript to work.  Is there a way to get javaScript to function in  
revBrowser like it does in the web browser?

2.  Can I call the file to open in the web browser using revGoURL but  
make sure the navigation bar isn't visible and prevent students from  
navigating away from the test?

Answers to these questions and/or any other suggestions/solutions  
would be much appreciated!  I am still wrapping my mind around all of  
Rev's internet capabilities and I'm sure I've missed something...

Thanks!

Sharon







From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Sep 11 03:15:59 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:15:59 +0300
Subject: revBrowser or revGoURL?
In-Reply-To: <3566606F-EEB0-4858-B509-C624C3CF2C85@byu.edu>
References: <3566606F-EEB0-4858-B509-C624C3CF2C85@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <46E640AF.4000904@ekoinf.net>

If you are on MS windows, one option is to load your tests in a separate 
hta window. To do this first create an empty html file template and save 
it with .hta extension, then insert the following tag into the head 
section of the html (right after title section):
<HTA:APPLICATION
     ID="whatever"
     ICON=""
     APPLICATIONNAME="write app name here"
     VERSION = "1"
     SHOWINTASKBAR="yes"
     BORDER="thick"
     BORDERSTYLE="normal"
     SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
     SYSMENU="yes"
     WINDOWSTATE="normal"
     MAXIMIZEBUTTON="yes"
     MINIMIZEBUTTON="yes"
     CAPTION="yes"
     CONTEXTMENU="yes"
     INNERBORDER="no"
     NAVIGABLE="yes"
     SCROLL="no"
     SCROLLFLAT="yes"
     SELECTION="no">

everything else is like in an ordinary html document, including 
javascript and css. So either put your tests right there (it can be run 
from a website too), or additionally create a frame or an iframe where 
you load your tests in. In this case the iframe should contain a few 
additional properties: src="http://tests.html" application="yes" trusted 
= "yes". If you store this hta file locally, then tests can be loaded 
and executed in the iframe. I am not experienced with revBrowser though...

One more way would be to load the tests in a popup window using 
javascript like this:
<a href="#" onClick='window.open("test1.html", "test", "toolbar=0, 
status=0, top=1, left=100, height=50, width=500");'>test1</a>

Maybe someone will provide better alternatives...
Regards!
Viktoras

Sharon Stamps wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am looking at two possible ways to approach a requested feature...I 
> am working with ESL teachers and they are using a service to create a 
> grammar test - an HTML javaScript test.  They would like to use these 
> pre-created tests in conjunction with a login and would also like to 
> make sure the students cannot navigate from the test or see the 
> address of the test.  So, my questions...
>
> 1.  I tried to work with revBrowser but was unable to get the 
> javaScript to work.  Is there a way to get javaScript to function in 
> revBrowser like it does in the web browser?
>
> 2.  Can I call the file to open in the web browser using revGoURL but 
> make sure the navigation bar isn't visible and prevent students from 
> navigating away from the test?
>
> Answers to these questions and/or any other suggestions/solutions 
> would be much appreciated!  I am still wrapping my mind around all of 
> Rev's internet capabilities and I'm sure I've missed something...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue Sep 11 04:02:22 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:22 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr> <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <46E64B8E.B4E5309A@club-internet.fr>



Mark,

I'm aware of that and usually name my objects with french words.
In my previous posts I used "date" and "day" for the only purpose
of my demonstration for an english-speaking audience.

Best,
JB

> jbv-
>
> In addition to the above weirdnesses with the owner of a group, I think it's
> also bad form to use a keyword as the name of an object. You'll probably
> stay out of trouble more if you name it something like "grpDate". YMMV.
>



From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep 11 06:47:04 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:47:04 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
In-Reply-To: <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr> <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>


On 10 Sep 2007, at 23:03, Mark Wieder wrote:

> jbv-
>
> In addition to the above weirdnesses with the owner of a group, I 
> think it's
> also bad form to use a keyword as the name of an object. You'll 
> probably
> stay out of trouble more if you name it something like "grpDate". YMMV.

Can you elaborate on why that would be bad form? I never had problems 
with naming things the same as a keyword, as long as I quoted the name, 
which I always do.

I did however have problems with using only numbers as names, or 
starting a stack's name with "rev".

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Sep 11 07:12:34 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:12:34 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
In-Reply-To: <d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr> <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C9EC65AA-B411-43D8-B0A0-553EBF5B13AB@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Bj?rnke, Mark and all,

Le 11 sept. 07 ? 12:47, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> On 10 Sep 2007, at 23:03, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> jbv-
>>
>> In addition to the above weirdnesses with the owner of a group, I  
>> think it's
>> also bad form to use a keyword as the name of an object. You'll  
>> probably
>> stay out of trouble more if you name it something like "grpDate".  
>> YMMV.
>
> Can you elaborate on why that would be bad form? I never had  
> problems with naming things the same as a keyword, as long as I  
> quoted the name, which I always do.
>
> I did however have problems with using only numbers as names, or  
> starting a stack's name with "rev".

I think that Mark wanted to point out that using 'reserved' word for  
controls names, variables, etc. is, in itself, not a good idea.
Sure if you quote all controls names (as I do it :-) there should not  
be any problem: it's only a question of 'right' behavior to avoid  
issues when coding.
Making variables explicit, not using 'reserved words' (BTW 'date' is  
the same word in English and French :-), quoting all controls names  
is probably more exigent but prevents many errors ;-)

As for stacks prefixed with 'rev', yes, the IDE treats them in  
another way (for instance, such stacks are hidden when editing a  
script). Actually it's very interesting to use this prefix when  
building plugins but it is a bit touchy, in particular when debugging  
(you have to set the gRevDevelopment global variable to true to be  
able to debug). There are many other differences, of course and 'rev'  
prefix should be only used when building tools for the IDE. If I  
remember well, the IDE displays a well documented confirmation dialog  
when you attempt to name a stack with a 'rev' prefix :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue Sep 11 10:12:52 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:12:52 -0400
Subject: Searching through binary/text files efficiently
In-Reply-To: <46E1CAFA.4030305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <OF3C26E646.0F621512-ON85257353.0048467C-85257353.004E14A8@sealedair.com>

I have several thousand files which contain a mixture of text and binary
data. I need to "look inside" all of them and determine which ones contain
a specific text string such as "baj_sese_ 20070105.rk". What is the most
efficient rev method to do this? These files are of various sizes ranging
from 700kb to 10mb.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Sep 11 11:42:20 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:42:20 -0700
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
In-Reply-To: <d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr>
	<fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org> <d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c30c6720ef8f@[192.168.1.112]>

I think it's always a good idea to NOT name anything with system keywords.
And you're in for real problems naming custom properties with the 
same name as system properties, quotes or no quotes. Rev doesn't like 
that. Custom Properties, too sometimes have problems when they start 
with a number.

>On 10 Sep 2007, at 23:03, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>>jbv-
>>
>>In addition to the above weirdnesses with the owner of a group, I think it's
>>also bad form to use a keyword as the name of an object. You'll probably
>>stay out of trouble more if you name it something like "grpDate". YMMV.
>
>Can you elaborate on why that would be bad form? I never had 
>problems with naming things the same as a keyword, as long as I 
>quoted the name, which I always do.
>
>I did however have problems with using only numbers as names, or 
>starting a stack's name with "rev".
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep 11 13:08:31 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:08:31 +0100
Subject: Searching through binary/text files efficiently
In-Reply-To: <OF3C26E646.0F621512-ON85257353.0048467C-85257353.004E14A8@sealedair.com>
References: <OF3C26E646.0F621512-ON85257353.0048467C-85257353.004E14A8@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <812582EC-F05B-4303-98A6-2BE28DE27677@maseurope.net>

I'd just load the whole file and use "is in"...

put URL ("file:" & tFile) into tData
return someString is in tData

In my experience, there isn't much to be gained by loading the file  
in chunks (open file...read from file etc).
It usually seems to be most efficient to hand as much work off to the  
engine as possible.

Best,

Mark



On 11 Sep 2007, at 15:12, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> I have several thousand files which contain a mixture of text and  
> binary
> data. I need to "look inside" all of them and determine which ones  
> contain
> a specific text string such as "baj_sese_ 20070105.rk". What is the  
> most
> efficient rev method to do this? These files are of various sizes  
> ranging
> from 700kb to 10mb.
>
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 13:27:30 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:27:30 -0400
Subject: Searching through binary/text files efficiently
In-Reply-To: <812582EC-F05B-4303-98A6-2BE28DE27677@maseurope.net>
References: <OF3C26E646.0F621512-ON85257353.0048467C-85257353.004E14A8@sealedair.com>
	<812582EC-F05B-4303-98A6-2BE28DE27677@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709111027x2fb2d1bfla131146d38a49f5b@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know how long it will take to do this using RR's built-in
search function, but the most efficient algorithm in general is the
Boyer-Moore-Sunday algorithm for doing general text processing.  The
problem you are going to have is that BMS assumes that it is searching
normal text space.  However, you can use the concepts of BMS to write
a very fast search algorithm.

If you need help, please let me know.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 11 13:56:52 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:56:52 -0700
Subject: Searching through binary/text files efficiently
Message-ID: <46E6D6E4.4000500@fourthworld.com>

Mikey wrote:
> I don't know how long it will take to do this using RR's built-in
> search function, but the most efficient algorithm in general is the
> Boyer-Moore-Sunday algorithm for doing general text processing.  The
> problem you are going to have is that BMS assumes that it is searching
> normal text space.  However, you can use the concepts of BMS to write
> a very fast search algorithm.
> 
> If you need help, please let me know.

If you have a BNS in Transcript that would be handy. :)

I wonder which algo Rev uses -- anyone here know?

This raises a point that may be of interest to the original poster:  By 
default, Rev searches are case-insensitive, so some searches of binary 
strings may yield false positives.

This can be corrected by setting the caseSensitive global property to 
true first:

   set the caseSensitive to true
   if tMySearchString is in tMyData then


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 11 14:18:11 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:18:11 -0700
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr> <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fc6m55$skk$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bj?rnke-

It's hard to add to much to what Eric and Stephen have already posted, but 
let me also point out that while you (and I) may always quote object names, 
the rev engine isn't always so consistent about it. Create a new stack with 
a single button named "date". Then get the short name of button 1.

On mouseUp
  local tObj
  local tQuotedObj

  put the short name of button1 into tObj
  put quote & tObj & quote into tQuotedObj
  do "put the" && tObj
  do "put the" && tQuotedObj
End mouseUp
-- 

 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 11 16:45:56 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:45:56 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
Message-ID: <fc6uq5$upo$1@sea.gmane.org>

Apparently RealBasic will no longer support MySQL as a database option 
except through external ODBC drivers. It seems that their plugin was 
developed under a GPL license.

http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/development/index.html

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep 11 17:49:12 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:49:12 +0200
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
In-Reply-To: <fc6m55$skk$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr> <fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com>
	<fc6m55$skk$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c11bf4f057eb17657146b85ed724a9a0@mac.com>

> On mouseUp
>   local tObj
>   local tQuotedObj
>
>   put the short name of button 1 into tObj
>   put quote & tObj & quote into tQuotedObj
>   do "put the" && tObj
>   --do "put the" && tQuotedObj
> End mouseUp

So if I fix your code to work (as above), and use a button with the 
short name set to an existing property, it'll output the property. 
However, that is completely expected, as using a string that results in 
a property will give you the property.

Coincidentally, using the above script with a button that is not a 
property, will just give you an error. So your code is only useful if 
the button is expected to be named as a property to begin with, and 
your code would be faulty if that is not the sole purpose of it.

The commented line 'do "put the" && quote & "existingProperty" & quote' 
  should in my opinion result in an error, but puts the actual text 
entered. However, RunRev will argue that this is a design decision, not 
a bug (At least i'd guess they would).

To verify, enter 'put the "something"' into the message box (no single 
quotes).

Bjoernke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Sep 11 17:49:41 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:49:41 +1000
Subject: Titlebar-less application question
In-Reply-To: <20070911170005.8BC6248A49F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C30D4A95.3AA8%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

I'm a little late on this but...
Setting the style of the no-titlebar stack to modeless will also get it to
show up in the taskbar. Provided you don't need to edit anything in the
window you should be OK.

Terry...



From john at debraneys.com  Tue Sep 11 18:05:40 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:05:40 +0000
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
Message-ID: <W4792412949161521189548340@webmail24>

Hi JB,

This is not the perfect approach but should solve the strange behaviour. 
If this fragment was put in place of the line that has "the owner of the owner of me"

repeat with x = 1 to 12
 if the id of group ("search" & x) is in the long name of me then exit repeat
end repeat
put ("search" & x) into tMyGrandparent
-- now you have the name of the ultimate owner of the field.

In my nested group heirarchy I set a custom attribute for the sub groups and objects in the group called "parent_group". That way I can get the parent_group of the owner of me...

HTH

John

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stephen Barncard [mailto:stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 01:42 AM
>To: 'How to use Revolution'
>Subject: Re: strange nested groups behaviour
>
>I think it's always a good idea to NOT name anything with system keywords.
>And you're in for real problems naming custom properties with the 
>same name as system properties, quotes or no quotes. Rev doesn't like 
>that. Custom Properties, too sometimes have problems when they start 
>with a number.
>
>>On 10 Sep 2007, at 23:03, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>>jbv-
>>>
>>>In addition to the above weirdnesses with the owner of a group, I think it's
>>>also bad form to use a keyword as the name of an object. You'll probably
>>>stay out of trouble more if you name it something like "grpDate". YMMV.
>>
>>Can you elaborate on why that would be bad form? I never had 
>>problems with naming things the same as a keyword, as long as I 
>>quoted the name, which I always do.
>>
>>I did however have problems with using only numbers as names, or 
>>starting a stack's name with "rev".
>>
>
>-- 
>
>
>stephen barncard
>s a n f r a n c i s c o
>- - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep 11 19:16:16 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:16:16 +0200
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
Message-ID: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>

> Apparently RealBasic will no longer support MySQL as a database option
> except through external ODBC drivers. It seems that their plugin was
> developed under a GPL license.
>
> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/development/index.html

I prefer BSD type licenses, but basically, the GPL disallows people  
from taking the code, change it slightly, then patent it. In regards to  
mySQL externals that contain GPL'ed code, they need to release the  
external under the GPL as it counts as derivative work. However, using  
said external in a closed source project is not prohibited.

On the other hand, if the code of RealBasic and the GPL mySQL external  
share one data space, they're considered as one program. Of course,  
only the people that made the external interact with RealBasic can  
really answer that.

Excerpt from the GPL 2 regarding non derivative, independent code:
"
These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If  
identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program,  
and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in  
themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those  
sections when you distribute them as separate works.
" Source: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html

 From the GPL2 FAQ:
"
Can I release a non-free program that's designed to load a GPL-covered  
plug-in?

It depends on how the program invokes its plug-ins. If the program uses  
fork and exec to invoke plug-ins, then the plug-ins are separate  
programs, so the license of the plug-in makes no requirements about the  
main program.
If the program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls  
to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single  
program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program  
and the plug-ins.
" Source:  
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0- 
faq.html#NFUseGPLPlugins

Have fun
Bjoernke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Sep 11 19:40:26 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:40:26 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> > Apparently RealBasic will no longer support MySQL as a 
> database option 
> > except through external ODBC drivers. It seems that their 
> plugin was 
> > developed under a GPL license.
> >
> > http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/development/index.html

The FAQ that now exists only in cached form
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:TYVUWypzyIkJ:www.realsoftware.com/produc
ts/realbasic/mysql_faq/+realbasic+mysql+faq&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 is very
interesting.

My understanding is that mySQL owns the copyrights to the database software
and that they can release it under multiple licenses, including the GPL.
Whatever the situation is with REAL Software, it looks like there were some
very unfavorable terms between MySQL AB and REAL. Besides, REAL has a vested
interest in promoting their own server solution. However I can see how their
customers would be annoyed by this. Tossing out the connector to a core
piece of infrastructure (even if they are our arch enemy MySQL!) can
understandably annoy customers ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From tereza at califex.com  Tue Sep 11 21:13:50 2007
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:13:50 -0500
Subject: Searching through binary/text files efficiently
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709111027x2fb2d1bfla131146d38a49f5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF3C26E646.0F621512-ON85257353.0048467C-85257353.004E14A8@sealedair.com>
	<812582EC-F05B-4303-98A6-2BE28DE27677@maseurope.net>
	<9b408d8e0709111027x2fb2d1bfla131146d38a49f5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B5AE12D-E364-4241-BCB3-F9A5B2A65490@califex.com>


On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Mikey wrote:

> I don't know how long it will take to do this using RR's built-in
> search function, but the most efficient algorithm in general is the
> Boyer-Moore-Sunday algorithm for doing general text processing.  The
> problem you are going to have is that BMS assumes that it is searching
> normal text space.  However, you can use the concepts of BMS to write
> a very fast search algorithm.
>
> If you need help, please let me know.
>

I Googled to bone up on BMS and found the following site:

http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/

which has terrific step-by-steps and code snippets for us algorithm  
fans.

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.




From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 22:52:42 2007
From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:52:42 -0700
Subject: CFP: SITE 2008 Tech & Teacher Ed. Conference
Message-ID: <4be051070709111952x5b9939fkd5e385698072935d@mail.gmail.com>

The deadline for submissions is Oct. 22.

If there are any teacher ed educators on the list who would like to
collaborate, please contact me off-list.  Otherwise, I will try to put
something together in the form of a demo or tutorial.

Unless I am greatly mistaken, I believe that the conference, March 3-7
2008, is close in time and space to the RevCon.

Information below.

Judy

   LAS VEGAS!  City of...

 > Shopping: http://www.aace.org/conf/cities/lasvegas/shopping.htm
 > Dining: http://www.aace.org/conf/cities/lasvegas/dining.htm
 > Attractions: http://www.aace.org/conf/cities/lasvegas/attractions.htm
 > Shows: http://www.aace.org/conf/cities/lasvegas/shows.htm
 > Tours: http://www.aace.org/conf/cities/lasvegas/tours.htm
______________________________________________________

        >> Call for Participation Deadline: October 22 <<

     ** Join with 1,200+ Colleagues from 50 Countries **

                      * Please forward to a colleague *

                        http://site.aace.org/conf/
______________________________________________________

                                   SITE 2008

    Society for Information Technology and Teacher Education
                         International Conference

                  March 3-7, 2008  *  Las Vegas, Nevada

              (Riviera Hotel & Casino Convention Center)

                         CALL FOR PARTICIPATION

                  ** Submissions Due: Oct. 22, 2007 **

                                  Organized by
Society for Information Technology and Teacher Education (SITE)
                             http://site.aace.org/
                                         and
Association for the Advancement of Computing in Education (AACE)
                             http://www.aace.org/
______________________________________________________________

** What are your colleagues saying about SITE conferences? **
     http://site.aace.org/conf/testimonials.htm

COLOR POSTER--SITE 2008 CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
Available to Print & Distribute (PDF to print; 200kb)
http://site.aace.org/conf/SITE08poster.pdf


                   >> CONTENTS & LINKS  (details below) <<

1. Call for Papers and Submission & Presenter Guidelines, Deadline Oct. 22th:
http://site.aace.org/conf/call.htm
http://site.aace.org/conf/submitguide.htm
http://site.aace.org/conf/PresenterLounge

2. Scope & Major Topics:  http://site.aace.org/conf/topics.htm

4. Presentation Categories: http://site.aace.org/conf/categories.htm
5. Proceedings & Paper Awards: http://site.aace.org/pubs/

6. Corporate Participation: http://site.aace.org/conf/corporate.htm
7. For Budgeting Purposes: http://site.aace.org/conf/rates.htm

8. Las Vegas:  http://www.aace.org/conf/Cities/LasVegas
9. Deadlines: http://site.aace.org/conf/deadlines.htm


INVITATION:
SITE 2008 is the 19th annual conference of the Society for Information
Technology and Teacher Education. This society represents individual
teacher educators and affiliated organizations of teacher educators in all
disciplines, who are interested in the creation and dissemination of
knowledge about the use of information technology in teacher education and
faculty/staff development.  SITE is a society of AACE.

You are invited to participate in this international forum which offers
numerous opportunities to explore the research, development, and applications
in this important field. All proposals are peer reviewed.

SITE is the premiere international conference in this field and annually
attracts more than 1,200 leaders in the field from over 50 countries.

                                     -----------------------
To submit a proposal, complete the online form at:
http://site.aace.org/conf/submitguide.htm (online soon)

For Presentation and AV guidelines, see:
http://site.aace.org/conf/PresenterLounge
                                     -------------------------

PROGRAM ACTIVITIES:

* Keynote Speakers
* Invited Panels/Speakers
* Papers (Full & Brief)
* Posters/Demonstrations
* Corporate Showcases & Demonstrations
* Tutorials/Workshops
* Roundtables
* Symposia

SCOPE:
The Conference invites proposals from the introductory through advanced level
on all topics related to:

(1) the use of information technology in teacher education, and
(2) instruction about information technology in
     * Preservice
     * Inservice
     * Graduate Teacher Education
     * Faculty & Staff Development

Proposals which address the theory, research and applications as well as
describe innovative projects are encouraged.

MAJOR TOPICS

GENERAL TOPICS:
* Assessment and E-folios
* Corporate
* Distance/Flexible Education
* Electronic Playground
* Equity and Social Justice
* Evaluation and Research
* Information Technology Diffusion/Integration
* International
* Latino/Spanish Speaking Community
* Leadership
* New Possibilities with Information Technologies
* Graduate Education and Faculty Development
* Video Cases
* Web/Learning Communities
* Workforce Education

CONTENT AREA TOPICS:
* Art Education
* Human Languages Education
* Information Technology Education
* English Education
* Mathematics Education
* Middle School Education
* Science Education
* Social Studies Education
* Special Education/Assistive Technology
* Young Child Education

PRESENTATION CATEGORIES:
http://site.aace.org/conf/categories.htm
The Technical Program includes a wide range of interesting and useful
activities designed to facilitate the exchange of
ideas and information. These include
keynote and invited talks, paper presentations, roundtables,
poster/demonstrations, tutorials/workshops, panels, and corporate showcases.

PROCEEDINGS:
http://www.EdITLib.org
Accepted papers will be published by AACE in the Technology and Teacher
Education Annual proceedings series. Books in this series serve as major
source documents indicating the current state of teacher education and
information technology. This proceedings will be published as a searchable
electronic book on CD-ROM.

The Annuals are internationally distributed through and archived in the
Education and Information Technology Digital Library, http://www.EdITLib.org.

First and second paper authors are limited to two papers published in the
Annual.

PAPER AWARDS:
http://site.aace.org/pubs/
All presented papers will be considered for Best Paper Awards within
several categories.

Award winning papers may be:
Invited for publication in the
- Journal of Technology and Teacher Education
(JTATE) (http://www.aace.org/pubs/jtate) or
- Online journal, Contemporary Issues in
Technology & Teacher Education (CITE) (http://www.citejournal.org/),

Highlighted in the:
- AACE online periodical AACE Journal (http://www.aace.org/pubs/aacej/), and
= Education and Information Technology Digital Library, http://www.EdITLib.org.

CORPORATE PARTICIPATION:
http://site.aace.org/conf/corporate.htm
A variety of opportunities are available to present research-oriented
papers, or to showcase and market your products
and services. For information about Corporate
Showcases (30 minutes) and Corporate
Demonstrations (2-hours, scheduled with the Poster/Demos),
click here.

FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES:
http://site.aace.org/conf/rates.htm
http://site.aace.org/conf/hotel.htm
The conference registration fee for all presenters and participants will be
approximately $295 (members); $340
(non-members).  Registration includes Proceedings on
CD, receptions, and all sessions except tutorials.

The conference hotel (Riviera Hotel & Casino Las Vegas) specially discounted
guest room rate is $119 (single/double). http://site.aace.org/conf/hotel.htm

LAS VEGAS, NEVADA: Experience the Shows, Dining,
Shopping, Attractions, & Tours!
http://www.aace.org/conf/Cities/LasVegas/

Las Vegas, an ever-changing fantasy-land of a
city, has seen unbelievable expansion since it
emerged from the desert 100 years ago. Las Vegas
continues to build upon its reputation as a
vibrant showcase for the extraordinary. This is
the city that attracts more than 38 million
visitors a year by offering the grandest hotels,
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Las Vegas offers unmatched entertainment. Some of
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Palace), Barry Manilow (Las Vegas Hilton) and
Toni Braxton (Flamingo Las Vegas). Broadway hits
such as "MAMMA MIA!" (Mandalay Bay), "Phantom -
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While planning an evening of entertainment, look
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DEADLINES:

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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Sep 12 00:18:21 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:18:21 -0700
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
Message-ID: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>

I've been unsuccessful in discovering a scripted technique for  
returning processor and memory information under OSX 10.2   This is  
the sort of thing that System Profiler can return but for some reason  
I seem unable to query it correctly in OSX 10.2   Any suggestions?

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Sep 12 00:51:03 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:51:03 +0200
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
In-Reply-To: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <43EE22FF-5051-44AB-869F-8633F05F1972@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:18 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:

> I've been unsuccessful in discovering a scripted technique for  
> returning processor and memory information under OSX 10.2   This is  
> the sort of thing that System Profiler can return but for some  
> reason I seem unable to query it correctly in OSX 10.2   Any  
> suggestions?

Terminal      system_profiler  will get you lots of information about  
the machine.

sims



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Sep 12 04:35:18 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:35:18 -0700
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
In-Reply-To: <43EE22FF-5051-44AB-869F-8633F05F1972@ezpzapps.com>
References: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>
	<43EE22FF-5051-44AB-869F-8633F05F1972@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <BCB28291-DC8E-4C4D-B50E-F3BD5E2B82C0@elementarysoftware.com>

Thanks, I have been successful in getting information under 10.3 and  
10.4 using system_profiler (though with slightly different parameters  
for each OS) but not with 10.2

I can call system_profiler directly from the Terminal application  
without a problem but in Rev the result I get back is something like:

2007-09-12 00:29:34.501 system_profiler[842] *** Uncaught exception:  
<NSInvalidArgumentException> launch path not accessible
/bin/sh: line 1:   842 Trace/BPT trap          system_profiler


I thought that it might be an issue with rev 2.6.1 -  which is what I  
need to run this with, but I just tested it using 2.8.1 with similar  
results.


On Sep 11, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:18 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:
>
>> I've been unsuccessful in discovering a scripted technique for  
>> returning processor and memory information under OSX 10.2   This  
>> is the sort of thing that System Profiler can return but for some  
>> reason I seem unable to query it correctly in OSX 10.2   Any  
>> suggestions?
>
> Terminal      system_profiler  will get you lots of information  
> about the machine.
>
> sims


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Sep 12 05:31:23 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:31:23 +0200
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
In-Reply-To: <BCB28291-DC8E-4C4D-B50E-F3BD5E2B82C0@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>
	<43EE22FF-5051-44AB-869F-8633F05F1972@ezpzapps.com>
	<BCB28291-DC8E-4C4D-B50E-F3BD5E2B82C0@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <B6C43392-A425-42A7-92C3-CFFC1F90182C@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:

> I thought that it might be an issue with rev 2.6.1 -  which is what  
> I need to run this with, but I just tested it using 2.8.1 with  
> similar results.


I am using Rev 2.8.1  and  OS X version 10.4.8  with   put shell 
(system_profiler)

I get the appropriate data  about my machine.
Perhaps if I logged on as another user it might not work.

sims

From asawyer at asboinc.com  Wed Sep 12 05:50:12 2007
From: asawyer at asboinc.com (Alan Sawyer)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:50:12 -0400
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <fc6uq5$upo$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <fc6uq5$upo$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <46E7B654.8070502@asboinc.com>

The plug-in still exists but will be maintained and supported by a 
different entity.
It's still GPL and still free.
Not sure why they did it that way, but that's what they did.
Alan

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Apparently RealBasic will no longer support MySQL as a database option 
> except through external ODBC drivers. It seems that their plugin was 
> developed under a GPL license.
>
> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/development/index.html
>
>   


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 12 11:11:36 2007
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:11:36 -0700
Subject: Running in a full screen mode
Message-ID: <BAY106-W14673BD6CDF3A35FB4501BD1C20@phx.gbl>

Many thanks Brent..............

best, Bob.

Robert J. Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.
White Rock, British Columbia

_________________________________________________________________
Discover the new Windows Vista
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 12 12:55:21 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:55:21 -0700
Subject: strange nested groups behaviour
References: <46E5149E.60FD9358@club-internet.fr>
	<fc4bf3$56a$1@sea.gmane.org><d87fe7c19221e82cbe4b06638a1fba95@mac.com><fc6m55$skk$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<c11bf4f057eb17657146b85ed724a9a0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fc95lr$qkm$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bj?rnke-

> The commented line 'do "put the" && quote & "existingProperty" & quote' 
> should in my opinion result in an error, but puts the actual text entered. 
> However, RunRev will argue that this is a design decision, not a bug (At 
> least i'd guess they would).

I agree that it should be considered a bug, and I'll file a report about it, 
no matter what the team decides about its final disposition. I can't imagine 
a scenario in which this would be a useful and unambiguous syntax..

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Sep 12 12:58:59 2007
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:58:59 -0400
Subject: Global Misbehaving
Message-ID: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I have the following openStack handler in a main stack.  I use it to  
set two globals which hold paths to folders that I want to use for  
back ups and such.

on openStack
   global dataFilePath, partsFilePath
   -- Set some relative file paths
   get the fileName of this stack
   set the itemDelimiter to "/"
   delete the last item of it
   put it & "/Data/" into dataFilePath
   go to stack "Another Stack"
end openStack

Seems that when I declare the global dataFilePath in substacks, I  
just "/Data/" instead of the full path.  What gives?

Gregory


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 12 13:04:09 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:04:09 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>
	<000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>

Lynn-

I do realize you have a conflict of interest here in the desire to promote 
Valentina, but dare I say that I see a marketing opportunity for runrev, 
since we support MySQL innately without the need for GPL-licensed external 
drivers? And thus have a chance to win over some of the alienated RB 
developers...

...I didn't post the news item to gloat, but in the hopes that someone would 
take the baton and run with it...

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Sep 12 13:09:15 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:09:15 +0200
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
References: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CB102E59-C662-412C-B337-C072F6178D0B@major-k.de>

Hi Gregory,

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have the following openStack handler in a main stack.  I use it  
> to set two globals which hold paths to folders that I want to use  
> for back ups and such.
>
> on openStack
>   global dataFilePath, partsFilePath
>   -- Set some relative file paths
>   get the fileName of this stack
>   set the itemDelimiter to "/"
>   delete the last item of it
>   put it & "/Data/" into dataFilePath
>   go to stack "Another Stack"
> end openStack
>
> Seems that when I declare the global dataFilePath in substacks, I  
> just "/Data/" instead of the full path.  What gives?

Substacks do not have a filename of their own!

Use "get the effective filename of me" in substacks and that's it :-)

> Gregory

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Sep 12 13:18:56 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:18:56 +0100
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
Message-ID: <200709121818.56443.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Why does it matter?  May be missing the point?  There is still a plugin, you 
can still use it, no?  Its still supported by who look like a competent team.  
What would the marketing message be, were one to try to exploit this?

On the implied issue in the background here, its not clear that RealBasic is 
the dangerous competition.  At least, its not what would worry me most.

Peter


From chris at altuit.com  Wed Sep 12 13:31:59 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:31:59 -0500
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>
	<000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> <fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750709121031h734bf368xf3593abf7bfe646d@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Just my opinion here as issues surrounding MySQL's interpretation of the GPL
seem to get foggier by the day.

I'd imagine that Runrev avoids having to deal with RealBasics issues by
using the older LGPL'd connector (which presumably stops working somewhere
in the Mysql development roadmap).  The problem here is that the older
connector does not support many of the newer features.  Realbasic
specifically decided they needed support for the newer features and were
thus willing to eat the GPL license for their connector.

Interesting enough, the way I understand it, MySql offers a commercial
license for its newer connector but that license may not be used to generate
a plugin that connects to the GPL'd version of the MySql server...it may
only connect to a commercially licensed version of their server.

The FUD surrounding this issue has worked on me and we dropped all direct
connection support for MySql about a year ago.  We either use a different db
or proxy requests through a php call.

--
cb

On 9/12/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
> Lynn-
>
> I do realize you have a conflict of interest here in the desire to promote
> Valentina, but dare I say that I see a marketing opportunity for runrev,
> since we support MySQL innately without the need for GPL-licensed external
> drivers? And thus have a chance to win over some of the alienated RB
> developers...
>
> ...I didn't post the news item to gloat, but in the hopes that someone
> would
> take the baton and run with it...
>
> --
> Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Wed Sep 12 13:45:59 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:45:59 +0300
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750709121031h734bf368xf3593abf7bfe646d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C30E0087.7D114%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 12/9/07 8:31 PM, "chris bohnert" <chris at altuit.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Just my opinion here as issues surrounding MySQL's interpretation of the GPL
> seem to get foggier by the day.
> 
> I'd imagine that Runrev avoids having to deal with RealBasics issues by
> using the older LGPL'd connector (which presumably stops working somewhere
> in the Mysql development roadmap).  The problem here is that the older
> connector does not support many of the newer features.  Realbasic
> specifically decided they needed support for the newer features and were
> thus willing to eat the GPL license for their connector.

I agree.

For example, I did have CocaMySQL built on old drivers,
And when our HOST provider have start to use mySQL 5.0,
It simply did not work in 50% of cases.

Have gone 6-8 months while new CocoaMySQL was shipped.


Btw, even for older drivers WAS ALSO commercial license.
They always did sale mySQL for money to DESKTOP Application developers.


> Interesting enough, the way I understand it, MySql offers a commercial
> license for its newer connector but that license may not be used to generate
> a plugin that connects to the GPL'd version of the MySql server...it may
> only connect to a commercially licensed version of their server.
> 
> The FUD surrounding this issue has worked on me and we dropped all direct
> connection support for MySql about a year ago.  We either use a different db
> or proxy requests through a php call.

Point is:

    mySQL is attractive for ISP and may be other WEB developers.
    but for DESKTOP applications they are not friendly.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep 12 13:59:27 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:59:27 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750709121031h734bf368xf3593abf7bfe646d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>
	<000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<2e0cf4750709121031h734bf368xf3593abf7bfe646d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC9F9B5E-1933-4EBA-AC9F-08F253980E1D@dvcreators.net>




On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:31 AM, chris bohnert wrote:
> we dropped all direct
> connection support for MySql about a year ago.  We either use a  
> different db
> or proxy requests through a php call.




Chris,

Did you settle on a simple PHP script that receives SQL statements  
from Rev and simply "relays" them on to the localhost MySQL? And then  
relays raw output back?
(Along with appropriate security measures of course)

---

The reason I ask is when I first started down the "Rev <-> PHP <->  
remote db" path I wrote the SQL, and much of the parsing of the  
returned data in PHP.

I was trying to make it easy in Rev, just sending requests (similar  
to function calls, like "getCustomers"), then having PHP nicely  
format data before returning. It turned into a real headache having  
to switch languages and dev environments, and deciding what part of  
the data processing belonged where.

Then, I realized you could just write a simple PHP script that took  
completely formatted SQL and simply "bounced" them to MySQL... and  
bounced the raw data back... but have not tried it yet.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 12 14:32:58 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:32:58 +0200
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
References: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <364319AE-1F7E-4E23-9711-4FF268DCE8C6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Gregory,

The following script is slightly less verbose and uses the effective  
filename (see Klaus' message). Make sure to put this script at card  
level and not at stack level.

on openStack
   global dataFilePath,partsFilepath
   -- set some relative file paths
   set the itemDel to slash
   put (item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of this stack) & \
     "/Data/" into dataFilePath
   go stack "Another Stack" --> sends an openStack message!
end openStack

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 12-sep-2007, om 18:58 heeft Gregory Lypny het volgende geschreven:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have the following openStack handler in a main stack.  I use it  
> to set two globals which hold paths to folders that I want to use  
> for back ups and such.
>
> on openStack
>   global dataFilePath, partsFilePath
>   -- Set some relative file paths
>   get the fileName of this stack
>   set the itemDelimiter to "/"
>   delete the last item of it
>   put it & "/Data/" into dataFilePath
>   go to stack "Another Stack"
> end openStack
>
> Seems that when I declare the global dataFilePath in substacks, I  
> just "/Data/" instead of the full path.  What gives?
>
> Gregory




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Sep 12 15:24:39 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:24:39 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com><000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <004501c7f572$90b0c810$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

 > I do realize you have a conflict of interest here in the 
> desire to promote Valentina, but dare I say that I see a 
> marketing opportunity for runrev, since we support MySQL 
> innately without the need for GPL-licensed external drivers? 
> And thus have a chance to win over some of the alienated RB 
> developers...
> 
> ...I didn't post the news item to gloat, but in the hopes 
> that someone would take the baton and run with it...

It's a double opportunity Mark. If you are locked into MySQL, then writing a
front end in Rev is the only real alternative if you want to deploy on the
exact same operating systems as REALbasic supports.

On the other hand, I don't think MySQL is entirely blameless here. Clearly,
they arent being good dance partners with REAL. Cooperation between the
makers of the IDE and the makers of the database back end is a win for
everyone.

Cant we have one hand ringing, evil laughing gloat out of you anyway Mark?
:-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From katir at hindu.org  Wed Sep 12 16:23:07 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:23:07 -1000
Subject: OT: Formant Change Voice Audio wave form
Message-ID: <46E84AAB.3050002@hindu.org>

If i want to do some narration on a game or video track, but

a) I want to record it myself
2) dont' want anyone to know it is me talkng
b) want the voice to still sound relatively human - natural

I'm told one would use audio software that can modulate the "formant" of
the
voice sound file.

Anyone know or has done this?   Good tools?  If one is doing puppets
it's easy enough, in audacity, to change pitch, boost base, level and
slow tempo, then
change pitch again... but the result is, while very clear, a obviously a
computer generated
"digital chipmonk" voice.
-


Om shanti
(In  Peace)

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

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From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep 12 16:40:24 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:40:24 -0700
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <364319AE-1F7E-4E23-9711-4FF268DCE8C6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
	<364319AE-1F7E-4E23-9711-4FF268DCE8C6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F113DC6B-2A2A-4C3B-A9EB-AE4EF295F772@dvcreators.net>


On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Make sure to put this script at card level and not at stack level.


Why?

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 12 16:44:13 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:44:13 +0200
Subject: OT: Formant Change Voice Audio wave form
In-Reply-To: <46E84AAB.3050002@hindu.org>
References: <46E84AAB.3050002@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <78F2FDC3-46F0-4DC5-857C-75A154DCBA5F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

I downloaded this, but never really tried it. Sorry, I don't know  
whether it can actually export the modified sounds. The main purpose  
of this software is analysis rather than editing, but it seems to be  
able to do what you need and much more.

<http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/>
<http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/manual/ 
Intro_8_1__Manipulation_of_pitch.html>

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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Op 12-sep-2007, om 22:23 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven:

> If i want to do some narration on a game or video track, but
>
> a) I want to record it myself
> 2) dont' want anyone to know it is me talkng
> b) want the voice to still sound relatively human - natural
>
> I'm told one would use audio software that can modulate the  
> "formant" of
> the
> voice sound file.
>
> Anyone know or has done this?   Good tools?  If one is doing puppets
> it's easy enough, in audacity, to change pitch, boost base, level and
> slow tempo, then
> change pitch again... but the result is, while very clear, a  
> obviously a
> computer generated
> "digital chipmonk" voice.



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 12 16:46:27 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:46:27 +0200
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <F113DC6B-2A2A-4C3B-A9EB-AE4EF295F772@dvcreators.net>
References: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
	<364319AE-1F7E-4E23-9711-4FF268DCE8C6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<F113DC6B-2A2A-4C3B-A9EB-AE4EF295F772@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <1874ED7C-EC69-4193-ABE2-8E4034009153@economy-x-talk.com>

Because the gremlins will get you (and the script will run every time  
you open a substack).

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

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http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

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Op 12-sep-2007, om 22:40 heeft Josh Mellicker het volgende geschreven:

> Why?




From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep 12 16:56:26 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:56:26 -0700
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <1874ED7C-EC69-4193-ABE2-8E4034009153@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
	<364319AE-1F7E-4E23-9711-4FF268DCE8C6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<F113DC6B-2A2A-4C3B-A9EB-AE4EF295F772@dvcreators.net>
	<1874ED7C-EC69-4193-ABE2-8E4034009153@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1735A578-728B-461E-90E2-34BCB00C2D95@dvcreators.net>

Ahh... I do not like the gremlins...

I have seen this recommendation before, to put OpenStack scripts in  
the card, though it is confusing, because in my understanding, the  
card is upstream of the message path in this case.

Like, an "OpenCard" script in a control on a card will never trigger.


(I have gotten in the habit of trapping openStack messages in  
substacks with

on openStack
end openStack
)

On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Because the gremlins will get you (and the script will run every  
> time you open a substack).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 12-sep-2007, om 22:40 heeft Josh Mellicker het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Why?
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 12 16:59:52 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:59:52 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com><000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY><fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<004501c7f572$90b0c810$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <fc9k0a$eb9$1@sea.gmane.org>

Lynn-

> On the other hand, I don't think MySQL is entirely blameless here. 
> Clearly,
> they arent being good dance partners with REAL. Cooperation between the
> makers of the IDE and the makers of the database back end is a win for
> everyone.

I completely agree.

> Cant we have one hand ringing, evil laughing gloat out of you anyway Mark?
> :-)

...<rotfl> coming right up...

http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/sound_effects_WAV/sound_effect_WAV_files/evil_laugh.wav

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From niconiko at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 17:58:57 2007
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:58:57 +0900
Subject: Japanese on Win9x
References: <43DA935A.6020504@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <003301c7f588$1fb2fe10$0401a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

I just learnt the hard way that Windows 98 doesn't 
handle unicode.

Is there a non-unicode way for Rev to displayJapanese 
text imported from Japanese txt files (ANSI)? 

The ability to input Japanese into text fields directly 
(from a keyboard, for example) is not necessary, tho 
nice if possible.

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed Sep 12 17:59:55 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:59:55 -0700
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <1874ED7C-EC69-4193-ABE2-8E4034009153@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C30DAF6B.275E8%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

Amen to that.




From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Sep 12 18:38:27 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:38:27 +0200
Subject: Global Misbehaving
In-Reply-To: <1735A578-728B-461E-90E2-34BCB00C2D95@dvcreators.net>
References: <9DE47A06-8E5B-46FA-8DFE-4EA8D93FC39C@videotron.ca>
	<364319AE-1F7E-4E23-9711-4FF268DCE8C6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<F113DC6B-2A2A-4C3B-A9EB-AE4EF295F772@dvcreators.net>
	<1874ED7C-EC69-4193-ABE2-8E4034009153@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1735A578-728B-461E-90E2-34BCB00C2D95@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <p062408b3c30e19d250bc@[141.89.100.234]>

>Ahh... I do not like the gremlins...
>
>I have seen this recommendation before, to put OpenStack scripts in 
>the card, though it is confusing, because in my understanding, the 
>card is upstream of the message path in this case.
>
>Like, an "OpenCard" script in a control on a card will never trigger.
>
>
>(I have gotten in the habit of trapping openStack messages in substacks with
>
>on openStack
>end openStack
>)
>

True about controls, false about card vs stack. See the great article 
of Richard about message passing for details.

The start-up messages (preopenstack, preopencard, resizestack, 
openstack, opencard) are sent to card 1 of the mainstack and fall to 
stack script if not handled there or passed.

Robert


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 20:29:59 2007
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <20070911170007.E77FA48A631@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <393674.61113.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark! :-)

on Tue 11 Sep 2007
Mark Smith wrote:
> Alejandro, there is a global property
> "allowInterrupts" that should  
> be set to true by default - it means that you can
> escape from runaway  
> loops by pressing "command period" on a mac or (I
> think), "control  
> period" on windows.

Yes, but does not works in my side... :(

> If this is not working, then type "set the
> allowInterrupts to true"  
> in the message box, and it should then work.
> If that fails (though it shouldn't), you can always
> do something like:
> repeat forever
>    if the controlKey is down then exit repeat
>    do loop stuff.....
> end repeat
> so holding down the control key will exit the loop.

Ah, Many thanks. :-)
This code is going to help me a lot.

Does exists some way to stop the faulty loop
and continue to process the xml data with 
the next parsing handler, without
user intervention?

In this way, i could log to a file which handlers
fails to process certain xml files and still render
the parts that the code could parse without troubles.

Thanks again for your help! :D

al

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http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


       
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Sep 12 22:15:24 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:15:24 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Seamless Tiles Generator 2
In-Reply-To: <46E1CAFA.4030305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <46E1CAFA.4030305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709121915q2a890308s41991c7f2bece4fe@mail.gmail.com>

Wilhelm,

A truly remarkable effort, especially for Rev. I also liked your
different matrix filter, but wonder why you excluded blur? Great,
great demo stack :-)

-Chipp


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Sep 13 00:42:31 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:42:31 -0700
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
In-Reply-To: <BCB28291-DC8E-4C4D-B50E-F3BD5E2B82C0@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>
	<43EE22FF-5051-44AB-869F-8633F05F1972@ezpzapps.com>
	<BCB28291-DC8E-4C4D-B50E-F3BD5E2B82C0@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <94441471652.20070912214231@ahsoftware.net>

Scott-

Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 1:35:18 AM, you wrote:

> I thought that it might be an issue with rev 2.6.1 -  which is what I
> need to run this with, but I just tested it using 2.8.1 with similar
> results.

I just tried this with 2.7.3 on OS 10.2.8 and it worked. Took a long
time, but it ran without throwing an exception.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Sep 13 01:20:47 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:20:47 -0700
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
In-Reply-To: <94441471652.20070912214231@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5EC6DD55-9BFA-458B-ACA7-8A926F5BEAFB@elementarysoftware.com>
	<43EE22FF-5051-44AB-869F-8633F05F1972@ezpzapps.com>
	<BCB28291-DC8E-4C4D-B50E-F3BD5E2B82C0@elementarysoftware.com>
	<94441471652.20070912214231@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AB094CB0-B830-4063-9EFC-6EF3DE387B50@elementarysoftware.com>

Thanks for checking, Mark.  Maybe it's my system install.  I'll try  
on some other 10.2 machines.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Scott-
>
> Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 1:35:18 AM, you wrote:
>
>> I thought that it might be an issue with rev 2.6.1 -  which is what I
>> need to run this with, but I just tested it using 2.8.1 with similar
>> results.
>
> I just tried this with 2.7.3 on OS 10.2.8 and it worked. Took a long
> time, but it ran without throwing an exception.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Sep 13 07:04:34 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:04:34 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Seamless Tiles Generator 2
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210709121915q2a890308s41991c7f2bece4fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46E1CAFA.4030305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<7aa52a210709121915q2a890308s41991c7f2bece4fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23AEC997-ED09-4134-9F9B-C54A0A8ABF17@maseurope.net>

I agree...Wilhelm has done amazing work with this. I really wouldn't  
have thought it practical to do this stuff in Transcript.

Best,
Mark

On 13 Sep 2007, at 03:15, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Wilhelm,
>
> A truly remarkable effort, especially for Rev. I also liked your
> different matrix filter, but wonder why you excluded blur? Great,
> great demo stack :-)
>
> -Chipp
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From chris at kipmultimedia.com  Fri Sep  7 09:48:09 2007
From: chris at kipmultimedia.com (chris livermore)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:48:09 +1000
Subject: win standalone v4rev - no driver 
Message-ID: <4D531F6C-2B2C-4AF3-90D3-E550B32FBBDE@kipmultimedia.com>

Hi
I've made a V4REV/Valentina/MAC OSX  standalaone and it works fine.
The WINDOWS standalone, however, will not initiate valentina...when I  
make the standalone Runrev alerts " Windows, driver file not found".  
It doesn't say which one but it appears to be Valentina.

My Database Drivers.txt file contains 'Valentina,VXCMD_macho.bundle'  
- however in the standalone settings (see below) Valentina has a '2'  
on the end, is that an issue?
I have made standalones from official Valentina examples and the same  
thing happens on Windows, but Mac is fine
---
Using Mac OS X 10.4.10,   V4REV 2.8.1-gm-3, Valentina 3.3

[selected] Select inclusions for standalone...
[checked] Ask dialog, Answer dialog, Cursors
Script libraries: Database, Internet, Table, Valentina2
Database support:, Valentina2

thanks

chris



From rbarber6 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 01:45:47 2007
From: rbarber6 at gmail.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:45:47 +0900
Subject: Mnemonics in Windows
Message-ID: <D40BD70A-B459-45FC-94A9-4DAAF7326115@gmail.com>

Hi,

I've tried what I know to do and have failed so perhaps someone can  
help.

Is there a way to add mnemonics to unicode (e.g. Japanese) Windows  
menuitems? European encoded text still has the lower ascii chars to  
call out but Japanese etc. does not.

I suppose I could catch the control key from the mainstack and direct  
it toward the appropriate menuitem but how to indicate the  
accelerators to the user? include the accelerator in the name of the  
menu?! ugh.  The real question however is whether there is a way to  
do this within windows.

thank you very much,
Ron


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 13 11:23:37 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:23:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: OSX 10.2 hardware info
Message-ID: <454327.90263.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well

put shell (system_profiler)

works with the following:

G4 10.4.10 - Rev 2.9 Beta 8, DreamCard 2.6.1, Rev
2.0.1

does not work with Rev 1.1.1, nor with Rev 2.0.1 under
Classic

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


      ___________________________________________________________
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 13 11:39:36 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:39:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 2 slightly silly stacks
Message-ID: <30212.90918.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just uploaded to RevOnline 2 stacks:

1. MachineDetails.rev ; illustration for the "hardware
info" discussion"

2. Finderrrr.rev ; bl**dy silly really, but the
by-product of some fairly infantile messing-around I
was doing with FIND with a view to getting kids to
make their own picture-dictionaries.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



____________________________________________________________

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____________________________________________________________


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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Sep 13 13:30:04 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:30:04 -0500
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <393674.61113.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <393674.61113.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46E9739C.60107@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I'm coming into this thread a little late, but I have a question.  I
have a repeat loop that looks something like this:

   repeat xNumberOfTimes
      global doCancelVariable

      -- My Code Here

      wait 1 tick with messages
      if doCancelVariable = "true" then
         exit to top
      end if
   end repeat

Within a "Cancel" button is a script that, when pressed, put's "true"
into the global variable "doCancelVariable".

Everything works as it should, except that after pressing the button,
the currently running script does not see that the global variable has
changed.  Is there some way to see the change from the currently running
script?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Sep 13 13:53:24 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:53:24 +0100
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <46E9739C.60107@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <393674.61113.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<46E9739C.60107@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E47FE736-DE89-4953-AFC3-170FA25EE256@maseurope.net>

After the 'exit to top', there should be no handlers running...have  
you tried 'exit repeat' instead?

Best,

Mark

On 13 Sep 2007, at 18:30, Derek Bump wrote:

> I'm coming into this thread a little late, but I have a question.  I
> have a repeat loop that looks something like this:
>
>    repeat xNumberOfTimes
>       global doCancelVariable
>
>       -- My Code Here
>
>       wait 1 tick with messages
>       if doCancelVariable = "true" then
>          exit to top
>       end if
>    end repeat
>
> Within a "Cancel" button is a script that, when pressed, put's "true"
> into the global variable "doCancelVariable".
>
> Everything works as it should, except that after pressing the button,
> the currently running script does not see that the global variable has
> changed.  Is there some way to see the change from the currently  
> running
> script?
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
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From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 13:58:03 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:58:03 -0400
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
Message-ID: <3f07cc260709131058j333f13b7rc194cfa9a3fdf242@mail.gmail.com>

A few years ago, I wrote an information mapping application for a company
that creates information maps (!!) that runs on both Macs and Windows
platforms. Recently one of the people from the company contacted me because
it no longer worked on his new Intel-Mac.

I recompiled the app under 2.8.1 as a universal binary. However, besides
needing UB, he is getting hit by the change in file formats that happened in
V2.7 of Rev.

The Maps they create are really stacks and when he creates a stack under the
UB version, it is no longer readable under the older, pre-UB (read: made
with Rev 2.6.1) version. These maps are shared among various people, using
various versions of my application, so they need to be compatible across
versions. The easy solution is to save all the maps in the legacy format.
I've confirmed this works by manually saving the stack in the legacy format
via the IDE. It is then readable with the older standalone version of my
program.

The problem I'm having is that I can not find any way to save stacks in the
legacy format from within my program. The only information I've found on
this anywhere is three lines in the "What's New" document saying that the
IDE can save in the new and the old format. There is nothing in the
dictionary and nothing in the PDF docs. Surely there must be some way to
save in Legacy format from within Transcript! Have I missed something
obvious somewhere?

In addition, I couldn't find any way to determine which format a file was
already saved in. This seems fairly crucial since reading a stack saved in
the new format from an app assuming the legacy format creates, uh, a bizarre
experience. Surely there must be some way to determine beforehand if this
will happen.

So, basically I'm looking for two things:

1) How can you select between the new format and the legacy format when
saving a stack with Transcript?

2) How can you determine what format an existing stack has been saved in?

And where is the documentation on this fairly significant change in
Revolution?


-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 13 13:59:49 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:59:49 -0700
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <46E9739C.60107@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C30EC8A5.49207%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Why not add a little debug step and see if the value changes?
and if so, to what.. could be the test is flawed.
This should work since globals are owned by Rev, not the handler.

>    repeat xNumberOfTimes
>       global doCancelVariable
> 
>       -- My Code Here
> 
          put "doCancelVariable = " && doCancelVariable into msg
>       wait 1 tick with messages
>       if doCancelVariable = "true" then
>          exit to top
>       end if
>    end repeat


On 9/13/07 10:30 AM, "Derek Bump" <list at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm coming into this thread a little late, but I have a question.  I
> have a repeat loop that looks something like this:
> 
>    repeat xNumberOfTimes
>       global doCancelVariable
> 
>       -- My Code Here
> 
>       wait 1 tick with messages
>       if doCancelVariable = "true" then
>          exit to top
>       end if
>    end repeat
> 
> Within a "Cancel" button is a script that, when pressed, put's "true"
> into the global variable "doCancelVariable".
> 
> Everything works as it should, except that after pressing the button,
> the currently running script does not see that the global variable has
> changed.  Is there some way to see the change from the currently running
> script?
>




From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Sep 13 14:15:32 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:15:32 -0500
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <C30EC8A5.49207%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C30EC8A5.49207%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46E97E44.3050300@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Why not add a little debug step and see if the value changes?
> and if so, to what.. could be the test is flawed.
> This should work since globals are owned by Rev, not the handler.

I tried it, and while the value of the global changes while the button
is executing, the value in the main handler does not.

I did find a solution though.  Instead of putting the boolean in a
variable, I placed it within a field on the current card.  Works like a
charm...

   if cd fld "doCancel" = "true" then
      exit to top
   end if

I'll probably try a customProperty next, and if that works, I'll stick
to that as I prefer not to have random objects on a card.

Thanks for the help!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 13 14:17:40 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:17:40 -0700
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
Message-ID: <46E97EC4.9040008@fourthworld.com>

Howard Bornstein wrote:
> The problem I'm having is that I can not find any way to save stacks in the
> legacy format from within my program.

In a standalone:

    set the stackFileVersion to "2.4"

In the IDE:

   Set the checkbox in the "Files & Memory" tab labeled
   "Preserve stack file version on stacks saved in legacy format"


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 15:35:50 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:35:50 -0400
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <200709131821.l8DILBM9023664@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200709131821.l8DILBM9023664@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260709131235y3f95fc9fv7bb3269ea6221250@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> Howard Bornstein wrote:
> > The problem I'm having is that I can not find any way to save stacks in
> the
> > legacy format from within my program.
>
> In a standalone:
>
>     set the stackFileVersion to "2.4"


Thanks Richard!  That did the trick.

However, I find it interesting that no reference to stackFileVersion is
included in the Rev dictionary, neither in normal or deep search. It is also
not mentioned in the following files in the 2.8.1 release: Read Me First,
IDE Change List, Engine Change Log, or What's New. Nor is it available in
the PDF documentation file.

So where is this information supposed to be found? This could have been a
product killer for me. How come this critical piece of information is
invisible?


-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 13 15:40:39 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:40:39 -0700
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
Message-ID: <46E99237.20205@fourthworld.com>

Howard Bornstein wrote:
> On 9/13/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> In a standalone:
>>
>>     set the stackFileVersion to "2.4"
> 
> Thanks Richard!  That did the trick.
> 
> However, I find it interesting that no reference to stackFileVersion is
> included in the Rev dictionary, neither in normal or deep search. It is also
> not mentioned in the following files in the 2.8.1 release: Read Me First,
> IDE Change List, Engine Change Log, or What's New. Nor is it available in
> the PDF documentation file.
> 
> So where is this information supposed to be found? This could have been a
> product killer for me. How come this critical piece of information is
> invisible?

Good question.  It used to be in the Read Me, marked as an item likely 
to be deprecated in future versions, which is presumably why it isn't in 
the dictionary.

But I agree that it may be at least another year before its usefulness 
wanes sufficiently to drop it altogether, so perhaps you could file a BZ 
request to have it reinstated in the Read Me for as long as it's available.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Sep 13 15:45:24 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:45:24 +0200
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260709131058j333f13b7rc194cfa9a3fdf242@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f07cc260709131058j333f13b7rc194cfa9a3fdf242@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09FD9425-AEF2-4F47-A669-9255BCB4C0EE@major-k.de>

Hi Howard,

> ,,,
> So, basically I'm looking for two things:
> ...
> 2) How can you determine what format an existing stack has been  
> saved in?

you could check the first 8 bytes/chars of the stack file.

If in new 2.7 format you will read:
REVO2700


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Sep 13 15:46:24 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:46:24 -1000
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750709121031h734bf368xf3593abf7bfe646d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com>	<000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<2e0cf4750709121031h734bf368xf3593abf7bfe646d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46E99390.4050605@hindu.org>

chris bohnert wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Just my opinion here as issues surrounding MySQL's interpretation of the GPL
> seem to get foggier by the day.
> 
> I'd imagine that Runrev avoids having to deal with RealBasics issues by
> using the older LGPL'd connector (which presumably stops working somewhere
> in the Mysql development roadmap).  The problem here is that the older
> connector does not support many of the newer features.  Realbasic
> specifically decided they needed support for the newer features and were
> thus willing to eat the GPL license for their connector.
> 
> Interesting enough, the way I understand it, MySql offers a commercial
> license for its newer connector but that license may not be used to generate
> a plugin that connects to the GPL'd version of the MySql server...it may
> only connect to a commercially licensed version of their server.
> 
> The FUD surrounding this issue has worked on me and we dropped all direct
> connection support for MySql about a year ago.  We either use a different db
> or proxy requests through a php call.
> 
> -- 
> cb
>

rambling a bit...

I don't really know enough to speak intelligently to his issue, but
years ago my
"gut" feeling was, seeing the MySql fog on the horizon...
  to stick with PostGreSQL for building systems on our web server.

Since one of our lead developers uses PostGreSQL at work, and wanted
to use PostGreSQL...this made it an easy decision.

But every now and then we "teeter" over to "sure, go ahead and
build it in MySQL if you are more comfortable with that... "

And there are huge LAMP systems out there based on it...
(Moogle, XOOPs etc.) some of which we might like to adopt
and we would certainly want Rev interoperability...

So my question is a bit tangential, assuming one has the choice,
doesn't using PostGreSQL give us the best of all worlds?

-- free
-- open source
-- no  connection/licensing constraints

(though I guess the PHP proxy call to MySQL is a viable solution...
Pierre Sahores has
been making that work for years....)



From runrev at aboutmyfiles.com  Thu Sep 13 15:48:58 2007
From: runrev at aboutmyfiles.com (Mark E. Powell)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:48:58 +0000
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
Message-ID: <W1252021387201821189712938@webmail30>

The subject line says it all:  breakpoint is failing to break script in the IDE (2.8.0 Windows XP).   As clean test, I create a new button with breakpoint followed by an answer dialog inside a mouseup handler.  The answer dialog appears without interruption.

Have rebooted.  Have searched docs for some mystery property that disables breakpoint.  No luck.

Any ideas?

Mark




From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu Sep 13 16:15:29 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:15:29 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Seamless Tiles Generator 2
Message-ID: <46E99A61.2000608@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Wilhelm,
>
> A truly remarkable effort, especially for Rev. I also liked your
> different matrix filter, but wonder why you excluded blur? Great,
> great demo stack
>
> -Chipp


Chipp,

Thanks for the feedback.

 From the more than 200 filters of the "Imagedata Toolkit Preview 3"
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageDataToolkitPreview3.zip>
 I selected a few for "seamless tiles" that I thought to be useful for 
background patterns (web pages, screen-, stack-, and card-patterns etc.).
There are 6 kinds of matrix blurs (button "soften") in the Imagedata 
Toolkit stack and 3 scripted blurs - i.e.not using the matrix format - 
of which "progressive blur" and "extreme blur" are especially powerful 
and new.
Then there is the interesting  "jitter" filter which I adapted to the 
Revolution language from the "gluas" language used with the "Gimp" photo 
software.
Still another form of "blurs" are the various "noise" filters in my stack

All these filters could be easily integrated into the "Seamless Tiles" 
application, which IMHO is somewhat more than a demo stack, but of 
course it "demo"nstrates possibilities and the potential of Revolution.

Regards,

Wilhelm
<http://www.sanke.org/MetMedia>




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Sep 13 16:38:27 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:38:27 -0700
Subject: RealBasic pulls MySQL support
In-Reply-To: <fc9k0a$eb9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <7cbbabe42bb8472b38512a66a135c437@mac.com><000401c7f4cd$23605fa0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY><fc966a$sir$1@sea.gmane.org><004501c7f572$90b0c810$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<fc9k0a$eb9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <006601c7f646$0a2eeea0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY>

> > On the other hand, I don't think MySQL is entirely blameless here. 
> > Clearly,
> > they arent being good dance partners with REAL. Cooperation between 
> > the makers of the IDE and the makers of the database back 
> end is a win 
> > for everyone.
> 
> I completely agree.
> 
> > Cant we have one hand ringing, evil laughing gloat out of 
> you anyway Mark?
> > :-)
> 
> ...<rotfl> coming right up...
> 
> http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/sound_effects_WAV/sound_ef
> fect_WAV_files/evil_laugh.wav

Okay, I admit, that's a good one :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Sep 13 16:45:15 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:45:15 EDT
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
Message-ID: <d33.14d0fcb7.341afb5b@aol.com>

Mark,
There could be several reasons why the breakpoint is being ignored. Without 
seeing the script it is hard to tell, but a common one is setting the 
breakpoint inside a conditional which is not called. In other words you have an IF, 
Then statement; you set the breakpoint inside the Then part, and the IF is false 
so the Then never gets called.
One possibility.
Paul Looney


**************************************
 See what's new at 
http://www.aol.com


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 17:21:27 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:21:27 -0400
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
In-Reply-To: <d33.14d0fcb7.341afb5b@aol.com>
References: <d33.14d0fcb7.341afb5b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709131421u41dd81d0r9dee2bdc756e8af2@mail.gmail.com>

I have also had this issue, but it is completely unrelated to it being
inside of a conditional (i.e. they are not).  I have not figured out
the source of the problem yet.  Clearing and resetting the breakpoint
SOMETIMES works.  Using the command instead of clicking on the
location where you want the breakpoint seems more reliable.


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 13 19:09:41 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:09:41 -0700
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709131421u41dd81d0r9dee2bdc756e8af2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C30F1145.49231%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

If you use several function calls or 'send sumptin in 30 milliseconds'
setting the breakpoint may not be honored.  It has something to do with what
the debugger is able to track when changing contexts.

I have encountered this and simply used the statement line
breakpoint

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 9/13/07 2:21 PM, "Mikey" <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have also had this issue, but it is completely unrelated to it being
> inside of a conditional (i.e. they are not).  I have not figured out
> the source of the problem yet.  Clearing and resetting the breakpoint
> SOMETIMES works.  Using the command instead of clicking on the
> location where you want the breakpoint seems more reliable.




From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Sep 13 20:24:10 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:24:10 +1000
Subject: Apostrophe in text variable causes SQL syntax error
Message-ID: <C31011CA.3AF3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

I'm trying to poke some text into a field in a mySQL table using some simple
statements like the following...

put "INSERT INTO screens VALUES(:1,:2,:3)" into tQuery
revExecuteSQL tID, tQuery, "screenID","screenXML","screenText"

...(fields 2 and 3 are both TEXT fields) and am getting an SQL syntax error
if either of the text variables contain an apostrophe. I can escape the
character I suppose but is this behaviour normal?

Terry...



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 13 21:00:50 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:00:50 +0200
Subject: Apostrophe in text variable causes SQL syntax error
In-Reply-To: <C31011CA.3AF3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C31011CA.3AF3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <6682ED27-17C4-4923-A9E3-3D3BE8AE058E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry,

Yes, this is normal. You need to escape the apostrophe. There should  
be a list of characters that need to be escaped in your MySQL  
documentation somewhere. You can write a script that converts the  
data before sending it to the server.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com


Op 14-sep-2007, om 2:24 heeft Terry Judd het volgende geschreven:

> I'm trying to poke some text into a field in a mySQL table using  
> some simple
> statements like the following...
>
> put "INSERT INTO screens VALUES(:1,:2,:3)" into tQuery
> revExecuteSQL tID, tQuery, "screenID","screenXML","screenText"
>
> ...(fields 2 and 3 are both TEXT fields) and am getting an SQL  
> syntax error
> if either of the text variables contain an apostrophe. I can escape  
> the
> character I suppose but is this behaviour normal?
>
> Terry...




From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Sep 13 21:10:03 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:10:03 +1000
Subject: Apostrophe in text variable causes SQL syntax error
In-Reply-To: <C3101C2A.3AF5%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C3101C8B.3AF9%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Useful information - thanks Mark.

Terry...

> Hi Terry,
> 
> Yes, this is normal. You need to escape the apostrophe. There should
> be a list of characters that need to be escaped in your MySQL
> documentation somewhere. You can write a script that converts the
> data before sending it to the server.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 



From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Sep 14 01:53:00 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:53:00 -0700
Subject: Can't trap Quit
Message-ID: <19FDB290-8C36-451E-B81C-C88ABF8D7EB0@mac.com>

When a user selects Quit from the menu in my application the case  
statement doesn't ever catch it. The other menu items work. On a Mac  
the application does quit but on Windows nothing happens.

The only way I can catch a Quit is to put a on shutdownRequest  
handler in the stack. My application contains several instances of  
the stack and I check to see if the stack needs to be saved. I can  
catch this request in the on shutdownRequest handler.

The user can close the window and be prompted to save with an answer  
command. If the user selects Yes then the program saves correctly and  
closes the stack window and all is good. However, if the user answers  
"No" the window closes correctly without saving (as it should) but  
now if the user selects Quit the standalone rapidly closes the  
remaining windows but never asks the user to save. In this situation  
if the user goes to another card in the stack first, then Quit the  
program will correctly ask to save if it is needed.

This bug is in Bugzilla 5362.

So I have two problems and don't have a good solution to either of them.
	1. Quitting is not caught in the menu handler.
	2. Answering No in an answer dialog prevents even the on  
shutdownRequest.

Ken Ray helped me characterize this bug and entered the Buzilla  
ticket. He tried it in MetaCard and it doesn't seem to be a problem  
there. How have folks solved this in Rev?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos

From baleareninsel at gmx.net  Fri Sep 14 02:37:30 2007
From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:37:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 2 slightly silly stacks
In-Reply-To: <30212.90918.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <30212.90918.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <12669460.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hey Richmond,

Can't find the stacks. Where did you put them?

Best regards
Horst


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
> Just uploaded to RevOnline 2 stacks:
> 
> 1. MachineDetails.rev ; illustration for the "hardware
> info" discussion"
> 
> 2. Finderrrr.rev ; bl**dy silly really, but the
> by-product of some fairly infantile messing-around I
> was doing with FIND with a view to getting kids to
> make their own picture-dictionaries.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> 
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 03:20:25 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:20:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 2 slightly silly stacks
Message-ID: <320278.25985.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Horst!

I looked just now (8.10 am GMT) and they were there
under Richmond (which is where they should be):

Finderrrr

MachineDetails

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From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Sep 14 03:34:19 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:34:19 -0700
Subject: Apostrophe in text variable causes SQL syntax error
In-Reply-To: <C31011CA.3AF3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C31011CA.3AF3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <90F1EF9A-DACC-46BD-B05C-AC3A2EEE4309@dvcreators.net>

I think it's a good idea to URLencode all text data before storing.

Not only does this solve character problems but also allows a  
multiline text field to go onto a single line, so a record can go  
onto one line for processing, making records easy to access.

On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> I'm trying to poke some text into a field in a mySQL table using  
> some simple
> statements like the following...
>
> put "INSERT INTO screens VALUES(:1,:2,:3)" into tQuery
> revExecuteSQL tID, tQuery, "screenID","screenXML","screenText"
>
> ...(fields 2 and 3 are both TEXT fields) and am getting an SQL  
> syntax error
> if either of the text variables contain an apostrophe. I can escape  
> the
> character I suppose but is this behaviour normal?
>
> Terry...
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 06:47:29 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:47:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 2 slightly silly stacks
Message-ID: <551455.14745.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I realised that "Finderrrr" was somewhat opaque, so
have just uploaded a new version with instructive
images.

Love, Richmond



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From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Fri Sep 14 06:44:02 2007
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:44:02 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?External_and_m=E9mory?=
Message-ID: <431175D0-2130-4A95-A355-36B1313EDFF0@wanadoo.fr>

Do I have to free retstring after calling an external ?

Is there something wrong in this code. Memory grow up slowly ...

XRev_codphone(char* args[],int nargs,char ** retstring,bool  
*Pass,bool *Error){

	*pass=False ; *Error=False ; *retstring=(char *)malloc (100);

	if (nargs==1){

		sprintf (*retstring,"%s %s",codePhone(args[0]),phoneComment);

	}    else  strcpy(*retstring,"Rev_codePhone : Erreur nombre  
d'argument incorrect");


}



From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Fri Sep 14 07:17:06 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:17:06 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_External_and_m=E9mory?=
In-Reply-To: <431175D0-2130-4A95-A355-36B1313EDFF0@wanadoo.fr>
References: <431175D0-2130-4A95-A355-36B1313EDFF0@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <838EB14A-1175-4924-83A4-79ACBC9EC318@free.fr>


Le 14 sept. 07 ? 12:44, Jean-Pierre a ?crit :

> Do I have to free retstring after calling an external ?
>

In principle, not.

Here is a code working fine, as long as i had understood everything :-)


void Rev_MyFunction( char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool  
*pass, Bool *error)
{
      *pass = False;
      if ( iRunning ) {
         *retstring = strdup( MyFunction( args[0] ) );
         *error = false;
      } else {
         *retstring = strdup("Not running !\n" ) ;
         *error = True ;
      }
}


> Is there something wrong in this code. Memory grow up slowly ...
>
> XRev_codphone(char* args[],int nargs,char ** retstring,bool  
> *Pass,bool *Error){
>
> 	*pass=False ; *Error=False ; *retstring=(char *)malloc (100);
>
> 	if (nargs==1){
>
> 		sprintf (*retstring,"%s %s",codePhone(args[0]),phoneComment);
>
> 	}    else  strcpy(*retstring,"Rev_codePhone : Erreur nombre  
> d'argument incorrect");
>
>
> }
>
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 07:23:17 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:23:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?External_and_m=E9mory?=
Message-ID: <387532.29348.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The acute accent should have warned me :)

Je pense:

XRev_codphone(char* args[],int nargs,char **
retstring,bool  
*Pass,bool *Error){

	*pass=False ; *Error=False ; *retstring=(char
*)malloc (100);

	if (nargs==1){

		sprintf (*retstring,"%s
%s",codePhone(args[0]),phoneComment);

	}    else  strcpy(*retstring,"Rev_codePhone : Erreur
nombre  
d'argument incorrect");


}

n'est pas Transcript/Revolution/Metatalk/xTalk.

Je suis un petit peu stupid, et Je connais seulement
xTalk, BBC Basic et un peu de Pascal.

I thought that this was a use-list for xTalk: maybe it
isn't, it's a use-list for RR Users (err . . . its
both, gov) - but, surely, if externals are being
authored in other languages than xTalk they should in
some way be offset so f**ls like me don't get all
confused.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 07:26:04 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:26:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
Message-ID: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Presumably (???) if one were to save a simple stack in
the 2 formats and then do a comparison with a
text-editor one could work out the difference, and
even "run-off" a wee standalone that could be used to
convert stacks back and forth.

Of course, I suspect the above is heresy.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep 14 07:40:03 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:40:03 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
Message-ID: <DDC2F5FB-5504-4BCC-BB88-912F254B6777@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date  
of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev coding  
and without using a third party software).
Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
Any hints will be welcome.
Thanks.

Best regards from Paris,
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From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri Sep 14 07:47:29 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:47:29 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <DDC2F5FB-5504-4BCC-BB88-912F254B6777@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OF89EDF4EC.FD6D55FA-ONC1257356.0040999B-C1257356.0040C607@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Eric,

Best best for this is a "Touch" command. Not all are the same and some 
dont allow all the options.

http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=5540.msg38511#msg38511

Regards,
---------------------=---------------------
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Clearstream Services
TNS NT LAN Server

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 13:40:03:

> Hi all,
> 
> I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date 
> of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev coding 
> and without using a third party software).
> Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
> Any hints will be welcome.
> Thanks.
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Sep 14 07:53:11 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:53:11 +0100
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FAD747F0-9E01-46A3-A298-C85ABACF6F58@maseurope.net>

You only need to read the first couple of bytes - in a 'legacy stack'  
the first 2 bytes will be '#!', whereas in a newer stack they will be  
"RE".

Best,

Mark


On 14 Sep 2007, at 12:26, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Presumably (???) if one were to save a simple stack in
> the 2 formats and then do a comparison with a
> text-editor one could work out the difference, and
> even "run-off" a wee standalone that could be used to
> convert stacks back and forth.
>
> Of course, I suspect the above is heresy.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Sep 14 08:06:11 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:06:11 +0200
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <FAD747F0-9E01-46A3-A298-C85ABACF6F58@maseurope.net>
References: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FAD747F0-9E01-46A3-A298-C85ABACF6F58@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <001BCB60-2193-476B-BB23-9E00DF84D96C@major-k.de>

Hi all,

Am 14.09.2007 um 13:53 schrieb Mark Smith:

> You only need to read the first couple of bytes - in a 'legacy  
> stack' the first 2 bytes will be '#!', whereas in a newer stack  
> they will be "RE".
> Best,
> Mark

Yes, as I already posted yesterday :-)

OK, I suggested to check the first EIGHT bytes... ;-)

> On 14 Sep 2007, at 12:26, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Presumably (???) if one were to save a simple stack in
>> the 2 formats and then do a comparison with a
>> text-editor one could work out the difference, and
>> even "run-off" a wee standalone that could be used to
>> convert stacks back and forth.
>>
>> Of course, I suspect the above is heresy.
>>
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de

From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep 14 08:06:26 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:06:26 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
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References: <OF89EDF4EC.FD6D55FA-ONC1257356.0040999B-C1257356.0040C607@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <3AE994D6-41BC-4C1F-A459-CB9BEA9426E2@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Xavier,

Good to hear from you :-)
I am searching for a 'whole Rev' solution (without any additional  
stuff) I would be able to run on any user machine...

Le 14 sept. 07 ? 13:47, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
>
> Best best for this is a "Touch" command. Not all are the same and some
> dont allow all the options.
>
> http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php? 
> topic=5540.msg38511#msg38511
>
> Regards,
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury
> Clearstream Services
> TNS NT LAN Server
>
> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 13:40:03:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date
>> of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev coding
>> and without using a third party software).
>> Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
>> Any hints will be welcome.
>> Thanks.



From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri Sep 14 08:10:18 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:10:18 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <3AE994D6-41BC-4C1F-A459-CB9BEA9426E2@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OF5C234CED.5014C09E-ONC1257356.00429B31-C1257356.0042DCD0@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Eric,

Unfortunately there is no built in command that i know off other than this 
shell command. 
You need a 3rd party tool (most are free though) to do this or write an 
external...

Regards,
---------------------=---------------------
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Clearstream Services
TNS NT LAN Server

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 14:06:26:

> Hi Xavier,
> 
> Good to hear from you :-)
> I am searching for a 'whole Rev' solution (without any additional 
> stuff) I would be able to run on any user machine...
> 
> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 13:47, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :
> 
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Best best for this is a "Touch" command. Not all are the same and some
> > dont allow all the options.
> >
> > http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php? 
> > topic=5540.msg38511#msg38511
> >
> > Regards,
> > ---------------------=---------------------
> > Xavier Bury
> > Clearstream Services
> > TNS NT LAN Server
> >
> > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 13:40:03:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date
> >> of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev coding
> >> and without using a third party software).
> >> Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
> >> Any hints will be welcome.
> >> Thanks.
> 
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From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri Sep 14 09:08:01 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:08:01 +0200
Subject: The Register
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In case any of you missed it, the register (http://theregister.co.uk) has 
news about RunRev linux update!

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/09/13/runtime_revolution_linux/

Knowing the register, and their rather twister humor, lets hope the 
release is tiptop from the start!

cheers
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 09:19:31 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:19:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
Message-ID: <38718.20535.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So, couldn't resist it and opened a legacy format
stack as a text file (i.e. imported it into field
"fENTER") and tried this:

  replace oldTEX with newTEX in fld "fENTER"

where oldTEX is:

#!/bin/sh
# MetaCard 2.4 stack
# The following is not ASCII text,
# so now would be a good time to q out of more

exec mc $0 "$@"
                                                      
                                                      
               
    ?  TEST 
 ?@    ?  ? m
?
?    
           &#711;&#711;&#711;&#711;     
cREVGeneral 
  
stackfileversion  2.7  ?    	@          
?
? 

and newTEX is:

REVO2700
    ?  TEST 
 ?@       ? m
?
??          
 &#711;&#711;&#711;&#711;      ?    	@         

?
?? 

and then exported the result . . .

but RR could not open the result (which should, in
theory, identify itself as a stack of the new format).

err . . .

bright ideas welcomed!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




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From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Sep 14 09:26:13 2007
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:26:13 -0700
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <38718.20535.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <38718.20535.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F135A8B-B1D1-473D-A1B9-885485C8E16B@qldlearning.com>

Richmond,

I don't think it's going to be that easy. If all that changed between  
versions was the short prologue at the beginning, why would they  
change the format at all? There is probably more to it than a simple  
find/replace on the front of the stack is going to fix.

Besides that, I don't see what you are trying to accomplish. If you  
don't own a current version of Rev, what is your purpose in trying to  
convert your stacks to the new format? And if you *do*, I believe  
saving in legacy format is a scriptable task.

HTH,
Brian

> So, couldn't resist it and opened a legacy format
> stack as a text file (i.e. imported it into field
> "fENTER") and tried this:
>
>   replace oldTEX with newTEX in fld "fENTER"
>
> where oldTEX is:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> # MetaCard 2.4 stack
> # The following is not ASCII text,
> # so now would be a good time to q out of more

> exec mc $0 "$@"
>
>
>                
    ?  TEST 
 ?@    ?  ? m
?
?
>            &#711;&#711;&#711;&#711;     
cREVGeneral
>   
stackfileversion  2.7  ?    	@          
?
?
>
> and newTEX is:
>
> REVO2700
    ?  TEST 
 ?@       ? m
?
??
>  &#711;&#711;&#711;&#711;      ?    	@
> 
?
??
>
> and then exported the result . . .
>
> but RR could not open the result (which should, in
> theory, identify itself as a stack of the new format).
>
> err . . .
>
> bright ideas welcomed!
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Life Cycle.
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 09:45:20 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
Message-ID: <600636.50415.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:

"Besides that, I don't see what you are trying to
accomplish. If you  
don't own a current version of Rev, what is your
purpose in trying to  
convert your stacks to the new format? And if you
*do*, I believe  
saving in legacy format is a scriptable task."

I have both "old format" and "new format" versions of
RR.

Guess I'm just being bl**dy minded: bit like the chaps
who climb Everest "because its there".

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


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From flexiblelearning at aol.com  Fri Sep 14 09:48:02 2007
From: flexiblelearning at aol.com (flexiblelearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:48:02 -0400
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
In-Reply-To: <20070914121044.B2B4348A705@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070914121044.B2B4348A705@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8C9C4ED010DAC0F-4FC-8B9@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com>



Hi Mark




Another instance when breakpoint will be ignored is if the object containing the breakpoint is disabled before the breakpoint occurs.








I had that a couple of days ago and it took me a while to figure out what was happening!




on mouseUp
  set the disabled of me to true
  breakpoint
  put "Hello World"
end mouseUp





















/H









>The subject line says it all:  breakpoint is failing to break script in the IDE 
>(2.8.0 Windows XP).   As clean test, I create a new button with breakpoint 
>followed by an answer dialog inside a mouseup handler.  The answer dialog 
>appears without interruption.
>
>Have rebooted.  Have searched docs for some mystery property that disables 
>breakpoint.  No luck.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Mark




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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 14 10:49:18 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:49:18 -0700
Subject: [OT] Mac Mini update
Message-ID: <46EA9F6E.1050101@fourthworld.com>

The rumor mill is hinting at a "next-generation" Mac Mini in the pipeline:

    As a matter of fact, several of our sources have been
    repeatedly pointing out since the very first leaked
    pictures of the new Apple Keyboards appeared that
    prototypes of a next-generation Mac Mini (due in
    about 3-5 months, a possible Macworld SF announcement
    in January), the Macbook Thin/Macbook Nano that we've
    been talking about since before the first Macbooks
    even shipped, and even the next generation Mac Pro &
    Xserve....will all include industrial design changes
    inspired by similar ideas to what we have seen in the
    iPhone and the new Keyboards.

http://www.macosrumors.com/


-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Sep 14 11:01:51 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:01:51 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <OF5C234CED.5014C09E-ONC1257356.00429B31-C1257356.0042DCD0@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF5C234CED.5014C09E-ONC1257356.00429B31-C1257356.0042DCD0@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <811358BF-29B3-4CF6-85E1-A45ECA0744D0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Xavier,

I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually  
a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the desktop,  
in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .
I don't want to use a third party stuff to achieve it either (we are  
on the user's machine running a software he has downloaded from the  
Internet).
So I thought there was some shell command allowing to overwrite the  
creation, modification, access dates of any file (XP and Vista) I  
could run from Rev.
But which one?
May be Ken or Chipp have an idea ;-)

Le 14 sept. 07 ? 14:10, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
>
> Unfortunately there is no built in command that i know off other  
> than this
> shell command.
> You need a 3rd party tool (most are free though) to do this or  
> write an
> external...
>
> Regards,
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury
> Clearstream Services
> TNS NT LAN Server
>
> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 14:06:26:
>
>> Hi Xavier,
>>
>> Good to hear from you :-)
>> I am searching for a 'whole Rev' solution (without any additional
>> stuff) I would be able to run on any user machine...
>>
>> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 13:47, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> Best best for this is a "Touch" command. Not all are the same and  
>>> some
>>> dont allow all the options.
>>>
>>> http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?
>>> topic=5540.msg38511#msg38511
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> ---------------------=---------------------
>>> Xavier Bury
>>> Clearstream Services
>>> TNS NT LAN Server
>>>
>>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007  
>>> 13:40:03:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date
>>>> of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev  
>>>> coding
>>>> and without using a third party software).
>>>> Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
>>>> Any hints will be welcome.
>>>> Thanks.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From paulgabel at comcast.net  Fri Sep 14 13:09:23 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:09:23 -0700
Subject: Escaping from Repeat loops
In-Reply-To: <E47FE736-DE89-4953-AFC3-170FA25EE256@maseurope.net>
References: <393674.61113.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<46E9739C.60107@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<E47FE736-DE89-4953-AFC3-170FA25EE256@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <E56E8B05-1235-478D-AD7D-1939C87ECB5B@comcast.net>

> repeat xNumberOfTimes
>       global doCancelVariable
>
>       -- My Code Here
>
>       wait 1 tick with messages
>       if doCancelVariable = "true" then
>          exit to top
>       end if
>    end repeat

Maybe I'm missing your point, but why not just write:


global doCancelVariable

repeat until doCancelVariable = "true"

       -- My Code Here

    end repeat

Paul Gabel




From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Fri Sep 14 13:51:37 2007
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:51:37 +0900
Subject: [ANN] F-ab 2.3.0 released and available for download
Message-ID: <D91315AD-CBEC-41C8-83E2-B26015FDB6FF@ronri-kobo.com>

Hello,

F-ab 2.3.0 is now available for download.
In this version, you can register YouTube movies by drag & drop and  
play them.

About F-ab
F-ab is a simple browser for Flash movies. This application is  
created with Runrev 2.8.1 and a free-ware.
In F-ab a Flash movie is specified by the channel instead of the URL.  
You can see 10000 Flash movies by changing the channel from 0000 to  
9999. Currently 1000 or more Flash movies are registered as shared  
movies. In the latest version, you can register movies from YouTube  
as private movies.

F-ab has "FLVPhone", which is a video conferencing telephone using  
the Flash movie. In FLVPhone, instead of a telephone number, an e- 
mail address is used to specify a person to be called. Red5 which is  
an open source Flash server written in Java is embedded in F-ab to  
communicate with the remote FLVPhone. Visit http://osflash.org/red5.

Download:
http://www.f-ab.net/

System Requirements:
- OS: Windows XP, Vista, Mac OS 10.4.5 or later
- Memory: 512 MB of RAM or more
- Display: 1024 x 768 or larger
- Java: Java Runtime Environment 5 or 6


Best regards,
Jiro Harada



From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 14:19:38 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:19:38 -0400
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
In-Reply-To: <200709131949.l8DJnZZt013894@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200709131949.l8DJnZZt013894@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260709141119j19be2317n116887fbe54f10d0@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/07, Mark E. Powell <runrev at aboutmyfiles.com> wrote:
>
> The subject line says it all:  breakpoint is failing to break script in t=
> he IDE (2.8.0 Windows XP).   As clean test, I create a new button with br=
> eakpoint followed by an answer dialog inside a mouseup handler.  The answ=
> er dialog appears without interruption.
>
> Have rebooted.  Have searched docs for some mystery property that disable=
> s breakpoint.  No luck.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Mark


I've just run into that problem today. Breakpoints that used to work no
longer do. I've cleared all BPs and then reset them. I've used the
Breakpoint command. The script just goes on happily executing, ignoring all
breakpoints.

Restarting Rev did finally get the breakpoints to start working again.
Still, frustrating to say the least.


-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 14 14:22:12 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:22:12 -0300
Subject: ANN: Cute X86 assembler simulator on RevOnline
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709141122p6bcc8b7fife9bb111deaa3100@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,
some may recall a previous post I made on my blog:

    http://andregarzia.com/blog/files/aasm.html

In which I detailed the construction of a simple assembly language simulator
that I made to prep myself to an assembly examination at my university. I
decided to make it available so people can check it out. I've also expand
the original instruction set to have more commands.

Just for the kicks, I've added a built-in mini portal like RevOnline where
users can upload and download assembly source code. I've added a couple,
including a simple fibonacci series printer.

The subset of the assembly language implemented is very small, just enough
to run the exercises from the chapter used in my examination. Also, I've not
implemented memory access, all you have is four registers to play (ax, bx,
cx, dx).

It is an educational tool, I find it fun and decided to share. Of course
there are a lot of bugs and places for improvement,  this is a little ad hoc
interpreter, not a solution.

its on my space in revOnline

Instruction set:
GET - fetches a numeric input from keyboard.
PUT - display content of ax register.
MOV - copies content to target register
   MOV <target>, <register>
   MOV <target>, <number>
CMP - compares to registers
JA - jump if greater
JB - jump if smaller
JAE - jump if equal or greater
JBE - jump if equal or smaller
JNA - jump if not greater
JNB - jump if not smaller
JE - jump if equal
JNE - jump if not equal
JMP - jump!
XCHG - swaps two registers
ADD - sums
SUB - subtracts
AND - bitwise and
OR - bitwise or
XOR - exclusive or
CALL - call subroutine
RET - return from subroutine
HALT - finishes
SETE - set 1/0 if equal
SETNE - set 1/0 if not equal
SETLE - set 1/0 if lower or equal
SETL - set 1/0 if lower
SETG - set 1/0 if greater
SETGE - set 1/0 if greater or equal
SETNLE - set 1/0 if not lower or equal
SETNL - set 1/0 if not lower
SETNGE - set 1/0 if not greater or equal
SETNG - set 1/0 if not greater

Bonus points for the line by line execution and line hilighting. Minus point
for not having an abort button when you enter infinite loops...

Alan J Perlis said, have fun coding...

Best
Andre


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 14 14:31:36 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:31:36 -0300
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <38718.20535.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <38718.20535.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709141131k3bff2b75q37244fc1da62d6f7@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond,
when they created the new file format it was due to necessity. The old file
format does not have place for stuff such as alpha blending and the new
things. Also, stacks are not ascii or even text format, you can't open them
in a field and replace data around, your chances of corrupting the stacks is
far to big.

The new stackfile format also carries information about which version of
revolution was used to create the stack, this is probably done to split
dreamcard from rev... oops, it's rev media from rev studio/enterprise. (am I
the only one that liked the name dreamcard?!).

if you want to convert from new file format to old one, you need to run the
stack in a new world engine (can we call them new world?) and set the
stackfileformat to "2.4" (check if it is 2.4 or some other number) and save
it again.

If you don't have a new version of revolution able to do that, we can
provide you with a linux standalone that will do that for you.

Cheers
andre

On 9/14/07, Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> So, couldn't resist it and opened a legacy format
> stack as a text file (i.e. imported it into field
> "fENTER") and tried this:
>
>   replace oldTEX with newTEX in fld "fENTER"
>
> where oldTEX is:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> # MetaCard 2.4 stack
> # The following is not ASCII text,
> # so now would be a good time to q out of more
> exec mc $0 "$@"
>
>
>                        ?   TEST   ?@    ?  (c) m ? ?
>            ????       cREVGeneral
>     stackfileversion   2.7    ?         @           ? ?
>
> and newTEX is:
>
> REVO2700        ?   TEST   ?@       (c) m ? ??
> ????        ?          @
> ? ??
>
> and then exported the result . . .
>
> but RR could not open the result (which should, in
> theory, identify itself as a stack of the new format).
>
> err . . .
>
> bright ideas welcomed!
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
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> Cycle.
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>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 14 14:46:31 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:46:31 -0300
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <811358BF-29B3-4CF6-85E1-A45ECA0744D0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <OF5C234CED.5014C09E-ONC1257356.00429B31-C1257356.0042DCD0@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<811358BF-29B3-4CF6-85E1-A45ECA0744D0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709141146ja7df728q42904c4b3ac16960@mail.gmail.com>

Bonjour Eric,
nasty business changing modification dates, antivirus and antispyware tools
may flag your software for that, specially if you move the date to the past.
Some systems will not allow you to do that,

I don't know how to do this to move the file date to the past. One drastical
and possibly dangerous solution is to change the date of the computer, touch
the file and then change the date back. During those millisecs the date is
changed, some other running program may break though.

As you said, the file is a stack, why not using a custom property to store
the modification date you want?

Andre


On 9/14/07, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Xavier,
>
> I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
> I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
> I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually
> a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
> But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the desktop,
> in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .
> I don't want to use a third party stuff to achieve it either (we are
> on the user's machine running a software he has downloaded from the
> Internet).
> So I thought there was some shell command allowing to overwrite the
> creation, modification, access dates of any file (XP and Vista) I
> could run from Rev.
> But which one?
> May be Ken or Chipp have an idea ;-)
>
> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 14:10, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Unfortunately there is no built in command that i know off other
> > than this
> > shell command.
> > You need a 3rd party tool (most are free though) to do this or
> > write an
> > external...
> >
> > Regards,
> > ---------------------=---------------------
> > Xavier Bury
> > Clearstream Services
> > TNS NT LAN Server
> >
> > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 14:06:26:
> >
> >> Hi Xavier,
> >>
> >> Good to hear from you :-)
> >> I am searching for a 'whole Rev' solution (without any additional
> >> stuff) I would be able to run on any user machine...
> >>
> >> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 13:47, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :
> >>
> >>> Hi Eric,
> >>>
> >>> Best best for this is a "Touch" command. Not all are the same and
> >>> some
> >>> dont allow all the options.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?
> >>> topic=5540.msg38511#msg38511
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> ---------------------=---------------------
> >>> Xavier Bury
> >>> Clearstream Services
> >>> TNS NT LAN Server
> >>>
> >>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007
> >>> 13:40:03:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date
> >>>> of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev
> >>>> coding
> >>>> and without using a third party software).
> >>>> Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
> >>>> Any hints will be welcome.
> >>>> Thanks.
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 14 14:46:31 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:46:31 -0300
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <811358BF-29B3-4CF6-85E1-A45ECA0744D0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <OF5C234CED.5014C09E-ONC1257356.00429B31-C1257356.0042DCD0@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<811358BF-29B3-4CF6-85E1-A45ECA0744D0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709141146ja7df728q42904c4b3ac16960@mail.gmail.com>

Bonjour Eric,
nasty business changing modification dates, antivirus and antispyware tools
may flag your software for that, specially if you move the date to the past.
Some systems will not allow you to do that,

I don't know how to do this to move the file date to the past. One drastical
and possibly dangerous solution is to change the date of the computer, touch
the file and then change the date back. During those millisecs the date is
changed, some other running program may break though.

As you said, the file is a stack, why not using a custom property to store
the modification date you want?

Andre


On 9/14/07, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Xavier,
>
> I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
> I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
> I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually
> a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
> But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the desktop,
> in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .
> I don't want to use a third party stuff to achieve it either (we are
> on the user's machine running a software he has downloaded from the
> Internet).
> So I thought there was some shell command allowing to overwrite the
> creation, modification, access dates of any file (XP and Vista) I
> could run from Rev.
> But which one?
> May be Ken or Chipp have an idea ;-)
>
> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 14:10, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Unfortunately there is no built in command that i know off other
> > than this
> > shell command.
> > You need a 3rd party tool (most are free though) to do this or
> > write an
> > external...
> >
> > Regards,
> > ---------------------=---------------------
> > Xavier Bury
> > Clearstream Services
> > TNS NT LAN Server
> >
> > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 14:06:26:
> >
> >> Hi Xavier,
> >>
> >> Good to hear from you :-)
> >> I am searching for a 'whole Rev' solution (without any additional
> >> stuff) I would be able to run on any user machine...
> >>
> >> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 13:47, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit :
> >>
> >>> Hi Eric,
> >>>
> >>> Best best for this is a "Touch" command. Not all are the same and
> >>> some
> >>> dont allow all the options.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?
> >>> topic=5540.msg38511#msg38511
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> ---------------------=---------------------
> >>> Xavier Bury
> >>> Clearstream Services
> >>> TNS NT LAN Server
> >>>
> >>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007
> >>> 13:40:03:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I wondered how to modify the creation, last modified, accessed date
> >>>> of any file on Win (XP and Vista) from within Rev (i.e. by Rev
> >>>> coding
> >>>> and without using a third party software).
> >>>> Probably some shell command I ignore :-)
> >>>> Any hints will be welcome.
> >>>> Thanks.
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 14 14:57:40 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:57:40 -0700
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
Message-ID: <46EAD9A4.70600@fourthworld.com>

Eric wrote:
 > I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
 > I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
 > I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually
 > a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
 > But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the desktop,
 > in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .

I wonder if there may be a very different way to solve this problem.

What is the user benefit you're trying to achieve with this change?

-- 
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  _______________________________________________________
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From runrev at aboutmyfiles.com  Fri Sep 14 16:52:06 2007
From: runrev at aboutmyfiles.com (Mark E. Powell)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:52:06 +0000
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
Message-ID: <W285924860225951189803126@webmail23>

Follow-up:  After kicking the tires and performing rain dances, the problem cleared up, but without explanation.

By the way, I wasn't clear in my original post, but I *was* using the breakpoint command, as illustrated in the test button script below

on mouseup
  breakpoint
  answer "foo"
end mouseup

I would get the answer dialog without a break.

JOOTT (just one of those things)

>
>The subject line says it all:  breakpoint is failing to break script in the IDE (2.8.0 Windows XP).   As clean test, I create a new button with breakpoint followed by an answer dialog inside a mouseup handler.  The answer dialog appears without interruption.
>
>Have rebooted.  Have searched docs for some mystery property that disables breakpoint.  No luck.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Mark
>
>




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 14 18:22:26 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:22:26 -0700
Subject: [OT] SCO Group files for bankruptcy
Message-ID: <46EB09A2.6010808@fourthworld.com>

The Linux community gets the last laugh -- looks like Microsoft's 
prop-up money ran out:


   SCO Group files for bankruptcy

   SALT LAKE CITY - The SCO Group Inc., licenser of the Unix
   operating system, filed for bankruptcy protection Friday,
   drained by unsuccessfully filing lawsuits claiming its
   software code was misappropriated by developers of the
   open-source Linux operating system.

<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sco_group_bankruptcy;_ylt=AlJjT.0zeVMTtg_wwQ4V0yQDW7oF>



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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 14 18:51:18 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:51:18 -0300
Subject: [OT] SCO Group files for bankruptcy
In-Reply-To: <46EB09A2.6010808@fourthworld.com>
References: <46EB09A2.6010808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709141551x6a51ff1v4793174c65d29aef@mail.gmail.com>

98 evil companies on the wall... 98 evil companies on the wall....

On 9/14/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> The Linux community gets the last laugh -- looks like Microsoft's
> prop-up money ran out:
>
>
>    SCO Group files for bankruptcy
>
>    SALT LAKE CITY - The SCO Group Inc., licenser of the Unix
>    operating system, filed for bankruptcy protection Friday,
>    drained by unsuccessfully filing lawsuits claiming its
>    software code was misappropriated by developers of the
>    open-source Linux operating system.
>
> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sco_group_bankruptcy;_ylt=AlJjT
> .0zeVMTtg_wwQ4V0yQDW7oF>
>
>
>
> --
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep 14 19:47:33 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:47:33 -0700
Subject: Shift+Click Item List?
Message-ID: <C3106BA5.2EC5F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi List:

I have an item list field here with multipleHilite and nonContiguousHilite
properties enabled, but it seems I can't use shift+click to select a range
of lines (control+click works OK).  This should be possible, yes?  Anyone
know how to set it up?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Sep 14 22:07:46 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:07:46 +0100
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <001BCB60-2193-476B-BB23-9E00DF84D96C@major-k.de>
References: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FAD747F0-9E01-46A3-A298-C85ABACF6F58@maseurope.net>
	<001BCB60-2193-476B-BB23-9E00DF84D96C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <887F6540-CC6F-434C-96E3-A14C959C3C64@maseurope.net>

I suppose if we want to be economical, just one byte would do...

function isLegacy someStackFile
  open file someStackFile for read
  read from file someStackFile for 1
  close file someStackFile
  return (it is "#")
end isLegacy




On 14 Sep 2007, at 13:06, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Am 14.09.2007 um 13:53 schrieb Mark Smith:
>
>> You only need to read the first couple of bytes - in a 'legacy  
>> stack' the first 2 bytes will be '#!', whereas in a newer stack  
>> they will be "RE".
>> Best,
>> Mark
>
> Yes, as I already posted yesterday :-)
>
> OK, I suggested to check the first EIGHT bytes... ;-)
>



From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Sep 14 22:12:34 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:12:34 +0100
Subject: Shift+Click Item List?
In-Reply-To: <C3106BA5.2EC5F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3106BA5.2EC5F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <B0EC350D-9283-4147-AB3D-6B7503091BC8@maseurope.net>

Strange - shift+click seems to work here on OS X, but control+click  
doesn't.

What's more, not having 'toggle hilites' checked seems to make it  
impossible to select multiple lines at all...

Mark

On 15 Sep 2007, at 00:47, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hi List:
>
> I have an item list field here with multipleHilite and  
> nonContiguousHilite
> properties enabled, but it seems I can't use shift+click to select  
> a range
> of lines (control+click works OK).  This should be possible, yes?   
> Anyone
> know how to set it up?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 14 23:04:04 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:04:04 -0300
Subject: Legacy and file format issues
In-Reply-To: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <373962.26837.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709142004x570aa5f2x45a12b8bb572ab13@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond,
again, it is not that easy. Format is binary, not ascii char based. Second,
depending on what properties you set, format will have different data
placeholders. You can't convert like this, it's not a 1 to 1 relation.

andre

On 9/14/07, Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Presumably (???) if one were to save a simple stack in
> the 2 formats and then do a comparison with a
> text-editor one could work out the difference, and
> even "run-off" a wee standalone that could be used to
> convert stacks back and forth.
>
> Of course, I suspect the above is heresy.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
>
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 15 00:11:48 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:11:48 -0700
Subject: Shift+Click Item List?
In-Reply-To: <C3106BA5.2EC5F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C310A994.492CA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 9/14/07 4:47 PM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Hi List:
> 
> I have an item list field here with multipleHilite and nonContiguousHilite
> properties enabled, but it seems I can't use shift+click to select a range
> of lines (control+click works OK).  This should be possible, yes?  Anyone
> know how to set it up?
> 
There was a bugzilla entry about hiliting multiple lines and some one
offered a workaround.  Probably in the list archives about 4-5 months ago.

I think I needed to use it for one of my own projects, but then decided I
would not bother.

If I find it this weekend I will let you know.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 15 01:47:52 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:47:52 -0700
Subject: Shift+Click Item List?
Message-ID: <46EB7208.10509@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:

 > On 15 Sep 2007, at 00:47, Scott Rossi wrote:
 >> I have an item list field here with multipleHilite and
 >> nonContiguousHilite properties enabled, but it seems I
 >> can't use shift+click to select a range of lines
 >> (control+click works OK).  This should be possible, yes?
 >> Anyone know how to set it up?
 >
 > Strange - shift+click seems to work here on OS X, but control+click
 > doesn't.

Here the engine's working same as always in the MC IDE.  I can 
Shift-drag, Shift-click, and toggle individual items with Cmd-click (not 
sure Control-click ever did anything on Mac, but on Win it does what 
Cmd-click does on Mac).

Which version of the engine are you using, Scott?  I'm running 2.8.1 here.


-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Sep 15 02:49:06 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:49:06 -0700
Subject: Shift+Click Item List?
In-Reply-To: <46EB7208.10509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C310CE72.2ECB7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>>> I have an item list field here with multipleHilite and
>>> nonContiguousHilite properties enabled, but it seems I
>>> can't use shift+click to select a range of lines
>>> (control+click works OK).  This should be possible, yes?
>>> Anyone know how to set it up?
>> 
>> Strange - shift+click seems to work here on OS X, but control+click
>> doesn't.
> 
> Here the engine's working same as always in the MC IDE.  I can
> Shift-drag, Shift-click, and toggle individual items with Cmd-click (not
> sure Control-click ever did anything on Mac, but on Win it does what
> Cmd-click does on Mac).
> 
> Which version of the engine are you using, Scott?  I'm running 2.8.1 here.

Thanks for the reality check.  I'm running 2.8.1 as well.  I'll go back
through my scripts but I don't think I have anything messing with the
shiftkey...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Sep 15 05:17:43 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:17:43 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <46EAD9A4.70600@fourthworld.com>
References: <46EAD9A4.70600@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <04F8C5BE-FDEC-4662-90B4-A4B935E658E5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richard,

Le 14 sept. 07 ? 20:57, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Eric wrote:
> > I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
> > I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
> > I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually
> > a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
> > But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the  
> desktop,
> > in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .
>
> I wonder if there may be a very different way to solve this problem.
>
> What is the user benefit you're trying to achieve with this change?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal

Actually it's a security issue:
I just would like when installing the software to set a custom  
property in a stack, save it and still have this file with the same  
modification date as all others files: move along, there's nothing to  
see ;-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Sat Sep 15 05:52:44 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:52:44 +0200
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <46EAD9A4.70600@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <OFC3D74C34.BE4E3E89-ONC1257357.0035B85F-C1257357.00364446@deutsche-boerse.com>

Eric,

Even with VBS this is not possible to change a file's date as far as i can 
tell or find.

I think that if you need a solution for this it is going to be more like a 
workaround. 
One suggestion could be to write your data elsewhere like another stack...
But i think you dont want your user to know what has changed...

Maybe write to the registry? Or an encrypted file could be a solution... 

The only viable solution is to store the touch.exe file somewhere, do you 
change
restore the touch exe, run it and then delete the touch.exe...

As far as i know most of these touch.exe utilities are in the public 
domain or freeware.

Regards,
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/09/2007 20:57:40:

> Eric wrote:
>  > I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
>  > I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
>  > I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually
>  > a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
>  > But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the desktop,
>  > in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .
> 
> I wonder if there may be a very different way to solve this problem.
> 
> What is the user benefit you're trying to achieve with this change?
> 
> -- 
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>   Managing Editor, revJournal
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From arietext at mac.com  Sat Sep 15 10:25:09 2007
From: arietext at mac.com (Arie van der Ent)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:25:09 +0200
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
Message-ID: <4F552D60-F839-4CDB-8DFD-AF83FC2A9AB8@mac.com>

Hello all,

Windows XP is terra  incognita for me. I  have built a small  
application that has to work as standalone on a PC  with Windows XP   
installed. After about 5 minutes of proper use the application  
crashes and error 0xc000005 is reported. We installed the application  
on several  PC's and in alle cases the error occurred after about 5  
minutes.

I searched this list for this kind of error. No hits. Searching on  
Google there is a huge amount of hits, most in relation to games. May  
be one of you can tell me what this is about. Something about  
registry I presume.  But I  don't know how to handle it.

Regards,
Arie van der Ent

Arie's  koppieshop - The Netherlands




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep 15 11:00:31 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:00:31 +0200
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
In-Reply-To: <4F552D60-F839-4CDB-8DFD-AF83FC2A9AB8@mac.com>
References: <4F552D60-F839-4CDB-8DFD-AF83FC2A9AB8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8722AB44-D3F4-4718-BFDC-DB309648F9B4@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Arie,

Does this happen to ALL standalones that you produce, or only with  
this particular standalone? Do you have any repeat loops, which don't  
finish with certainty (perhaps the geometry manager?). Any send  
commands that might cause recursion? Are you using AltBrowser/ 
RevBrowser? Does the error also happen if you just start the  
standalone and don't touch it?

Searching the internet for information, I don't conclude that the  
problem is related to games. Most of the hits I get are related to  
Explorer, but that's only because Explorer is used by all Windows  
users. It seems that this error is a very general error and means  
little more than "sorry an error occurred". You really need to tell a  
little more about what is going on.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 15-sep-2007, om 16:25 heeft Arie van der Ent het volgende geschreven:

> Hello all,
>
> Windows XP is terra  incognita for me. I  have built a small  
> application that has to work as standalone on a PC  with Windows  
> XP  installed. After about 5 minutes of proper use the application  
> crashes and error 0xc000005 is reported. We installed the  
> application on several  PC's and in alle cases the error occurred  
> after about 5 minutes.
>
> I searched this list for this kind of error. No hits. Searching on  
> Google there is a huge amount of hits, most in relation to games.  
> May be one of you can tell me what this is about. Something about  
> registry I presume.  But I  don't know how to handle it.
>
> Regards,
> Arie van der Ent
>
> Arie's  koppieshop - The Netherlands




From arietext at mac.com  Sat Sep 15 14:25:48 2007
From: arietext at mac.com (Arie van der Ent)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:25:48 +0200
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
In-Reply-To: <8722AB44-D3F4-4718-BFDC-DB309648F9B4@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4F552D60-F839-4CDB-8DFD-AF83FC2A9AB8@mac.com>
	<8722AB44-D3F4-4718-BFDC-DB309648F9B4@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <A1F18220-6AF6-4F6F-8FBD-F3F94F75C091@mac.com>

Hi Mark,

It is the first standalone I made for Windows. The application is  
based on the Employee Database of Richard Gaskin. There is a stack  
that can be cloned en filled with data (first card). The cloned stack  
exists of 10 cards. After filling in the data the first card the  
results are shown on the next cards. On openCard en closeCard there  
is some action to get he results en built the graphics. During this  
action the screen is locked. The error occurs during the navigating  
between the cards.

I hope this information does help.

Regards,

Arie van der Ent

Arie's Koppieshop  - The Netherlands

Op 15-sep-2007, om 17:00 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Arie,
>
> Does this happen to ALL standalones that you produce, or only with  
> this particular standalone? Do you have any repeat loops, which  
> don't finish with certainty (perhaps the geometry manager?). Any  
> send commands that might cause recursion? Are you using AltBrowser/ 
> RevBrowser? Does the error also happen if you just start the  
> standalone and don't touch it?
>
> Searching the internet for information, I don't conclude that the  
> problem is related to games. Most of the hits I get are related to  
> Explorer, but that's only because Explorer is used by all Windows  
> users. It seems that this error is a very general error and means  
> little more than "sorry an error occurred". You really need to tell  
> a little more about what is going on.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 15-sep-2007, om 16:25 heeft Arie van der Ent het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Windows XP is terra  incognita for me. I  have built a small  
>> application that has to work as standalone on a PC  with Windows  
>> XP  installed. After about 5 minutes of proper use the application  
>> crashes and error 0xc000005 is reported. We installed the  
>> application on several  PC's and in alle cases the error occurred  
>> after about 5 minutes.
>>
>> I searched this list for this kind of error. No hits. Searching on  
>> Google there is a huge amount of hits, most in relation to games.  
>> May be one of you can tell me what this is about. Something about  
>> registry I presume.  But I  don't know how to handle it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arie van der Ent
>>
>> Arie's  koppieshop - The Netherlands
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 15 14:58:36 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:58:36 -0700
Subject: Setting last modified date of a file from within Rev
Message-ID: <46EC2B5C.306@fourthworld.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Le 14 sept. 07 ? 20:57, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
> 
>> Eric wrote:
>> > I'm going to reformulate my question more precisely:
>> > I have a Rev exe on the user's machine with many other files.
>> > I want to be able to write some data to one of these files (actually
>> > a Rev stack but it does not matter) and save it.
>> > But I don't want the modification date to be changed (on the  
>> desktop,
>> > in the file 'Properties' window, etc.) .
>>
>> I wonder if there may be a very different way to solve this problem.
>>
>> What is the user benefit you're trying to achieve with this change?
>>
> Actually it's a security issue:
> I just would like when installing the software to set a custom  
> property in a stack, save it and still have this file with the same  
> modification date as all others files: move along, there's nothing to  
> see ;-)

If it happens during install, couldn't you also save a few other files 
to bring the date forward?  If you did, it would make the one you're 
actually changing no longer stand out.

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  _______________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 15 15:19:29 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:19:29 -0700
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
Message-ID: <46EC3041.80509@fourthworld.com>

Arie van der Ent wrote:
> It is the first standalone I made for Windows. The application is  
> based on the Employee Database of Richard Gaskin. There is a stack  
> that can be cloned en filled with data (first card). The cloned stack  
> exists of 10 cards. After filling in the data the first card the  
> results are shown on the next cards. On openCard en closeCard there  
> is some action to get he results en built the graphics. During this  
> action the screen is locked. The error occurs during the navigating  
> between the cards.

I'm unable to reproduce that here, but I would be interested in seeing 
the crash if I can.

I tested on OS X 10.4.10  -- which OS are you using?

I'm surprised the EmpDB has held up as well as it did.  Until this 
morning I haven't built a standalone from it in many years.  It has some 
bugs (e.g., "Go Previous Record" doesn't work) and no longer reflects 
how I would build such a critter, but for learning a few things while 
getting started it may not be horrible.

If I could find the time I wouldn't mind updating that.  But client work 
takes a priority, and lately I've had plenty to keep me occupied.

But it's good to know someone's using it.  Helps motivate me to get 
around to an update when I can....

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep 15 15:59:26 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:59:26 -1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
Message-ID: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>

Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
the best tool.

I have some basic questions

This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX

How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.

Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
and then be granted access to the whole box again.

TIA
Sivakatirswami








From bvg at mac.com  Sat Sep 15 16:10:10 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:10:10 +0200
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>
References: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1438f568dcb5b33bec2f69694248654a@mac.com>

Rev itself is not capable of prohibiting alt-tab, as far as I know.

On Mac OS X however, you can set users to only have very reduced 
rights. Check out the User pane of the Mac OS X settings. You can set 
up a user that only can access your application, and not make any other 
changes. If you need full access, just log in to your default user.

As far as I know, that's the only solution, short of reformatting the 
hard disk, and installing linux.


On 15 Sep 2007, at 21:59, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
> as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
> all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
> the best tool.
>
> I have some basic questions
>
> This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
>
> How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
> the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
> no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
> i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
> and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
> to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
>
> Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
> and then be granted access to the whole box again.
>
> TIA
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Sep 15 16:11:22 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:11:22 -0700
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
Message-ID: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
> as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
> all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
> the best tool.
> 
> I have some basic questions
> 
> This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
> 
> How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
> the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
> no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
> i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
> and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
> to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
> 
> Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
> and then be granted access to the whole box again.

The latter could be done easily enough by having a place to click that 
asks for a password.

But preventing Command-Tab from bringing up the switcher is something I 
don't know how to do.  Trapping commandKeyDown doesn't let you prevent 
the OS from grabbing it first.

This may require an external to tap into the OS event loop.

Please let us know what you come up with.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Sep 15 17:17:04 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:17:04 -0300
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>
References: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>

You don't need to prevent CMD+TAB, you need to prevent running other
applications. You can just quit the Finder and everything else so that your
app is the only thing running. ;-)
Andre

On 9/15/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
> > Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
> > as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
> > all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
> > the best tool.
> >
> > I have some basic questions
> >
> > This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
> >
> > How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
> > the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
> > no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
> > i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
> > and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
> > to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
> >
> > Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
> > and then be granted access to the whole box again.
>
> The latter could be done easily enough by having a place to click that
> asks for a password.
>
> But preventing Command-Tab from bringing up the switcher is something I
> don't know how to do.  Trapping commandKeyDown doesn't let you prevent
> the OS from grabbing it first.
>
> This may require an external to tap into the OS event loop.
>
> Please let us know what you come up with.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Sep 15 18:31:42 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:31:42 +0200
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>
References: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <70F126A7-A6A3-4110-98FA-E1CC56067074@economy-x-talk.com>

Sivakatirswami,

Witch and PullTab might help as explained here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWa3iuZnHJs

and one might write an external that talks to the SystemUIMode API:

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html

and you could replace the Finder with your own application.  
Unfortunately, Apple seems to have removed the relevant pages.

This looks interesting:

http://lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev/2006/Jul/msg00459.html

You might find more info if you use your favorite search engine.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 15-sep-2007, om 21:59 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven:

> Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
> as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
> all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
> the best tool.
>
> I have some basic questions
>
> This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
>
> How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
> the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
> no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
> i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
> and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
> to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
>
> Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
> and then be granted access to the whole box again.
>
> TIA
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
>



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 19:40:07 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:40:07 +1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>
References: <46EC399E.9010605@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709151640l67e1bddck29220d118559dbe@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/16/07, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
> as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
> all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
> the best tool.
>
> I have some basic questions
>
> This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
>
> How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
> the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
> no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
> i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
> and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
> to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
>
> Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
> and then be granted access to the whole box again.

My solution is to put the computer in a box with a window and fix it
so that the keyboard is inaccessible. Plug in a trackball as the only
control, make your app fill the screen and hide the menubar. For admin
access, use Timbuktu, Apple Remote Desktop or have a virtual keyboard
for entering a password to show the menubar.

People on this list from Australian universities or research
institutes may be familiar with the Genesearch efreezer which I
programmed and helped to build, and which has used this technique
successfully for many years.

Cheers,
Sarah


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep 15 22:33:14 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:33:14 -1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>
	<7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EC95EA.5030708@hindu.org>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> You don't need to prevent CMD+TAB, you need to prevent running other
> applications. You can just quit the Finder and everything else so that your
> app is the only thing running. ;-)
> Andre

That's too easy! HA! (smile)

but what about  cmd-option-esc? (I am unable to trap this)
  could invoke the Force Quit Applications; user quits Rev and is back up in
the Finder...

On the other hand, we are not really expecting any super hackers
I'm just trying to get noisy kids from trying to do stuff while Mom
is off talking with someone...I'm not sure how many will even
know about cmd-option-esc.

Other suggestions were good too. we can restrict user priviliges,
the gateway to the internet can lock the user out from everything
but very specific sites...


> 
> On 9/15/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>> Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
>>> as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
>>> all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
>>> the best tool.
>>>
>>> I have some basic questions
>>>
>>> This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
>>>
>>> How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
>>> the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
>>> no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
>>> i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
>>> and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
>>> to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
>>>
>>> Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
>>> and then be granted access to the whole box again.
>> The latter could be done easily enough by having a place to click that
>> asks for a password.
>>
>> But preventing Command-Tab from bringing up the switcher is something I
>> don't know how to do.  Trapping commandKeyDown doesn't let you prevent
>> the OS from grabbing it first.
>>
>> This may require an external to tap into the OS event loop.
>>
>> Please let us know what you come up with.
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>>   _______________________________________________________
>>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From rgould8 at aol.com  Sat Sep 15 23:23:15 2007
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:23:15 -0400
Subject: Revolution character sets showing up differently between Mac and
	Windows
Message-ID: <8C9C6280DE67DF2-59C-4DF6@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com>

I've got an application that pulls in data from a database, some data which contains foreign characters (French/German characters (a's o's with dots above them, etc).

On Windows XP, the data shows up perfectly.

On Mac OS X, many of the foreign characters are rendering completely wrong within the Revolution text field.

I've tried searching the docs for UTF8 and double-byte characters and anything else I can think of.? Is there something special I need to do in Mac OS X itself to fix this problem, or is there a Revolution call/setting I should be using?



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From rgould8 at aol.com  Sun Sep 16 00:51:49 2007
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:51:49 -0400
Subject: Anyone get barcodes to print/scan on a Mac?
Message-ID: <8C9C6346D5E125C-C94-4EA6@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com>

I've been scouring the web looking for a good barcode font that will work with my barcode scanner (an "intelliscanner", which reads standard Code 128 barcodes).? 

The trouble I'm finding is that the barcode font I am using works great in Windows, but the Mac version of it won't seem to display the first and last characters of the formula when printing, so it never scans.

I found a great Rev. stack to demo barcode printing in the Rev archives, and I noticed the formula for Code 128 barcodes puts a "numtochar(103+32) at the beginning and numtochar(106+32) at the end.? On my Mac, these special characters do not display anything in the barcode field.? In Windows, I get the proper barcode chars to display at the beginning and end of the string.? Not sure why.? I'm trying to determine if it's the barcode font itself (In theory, it's the same between Mac and Windows), OR perhaps something different in the way the Mac handles numtochar(103+32).? Any advice is greatly appreciated.


function createBarcode pCatNum
??? put 103 into total
??? put 1 into counter
???? 
??? repeat for each char c in pCatNum
??????? add (chartonum(c) - 32) * counter to total
??????? add 1 to counter
??? end repeat
???? 
??? put total mod 103 into checkSum
??? put numtochar(103+32) into theCode
??? put pCatNum after theCode
??? put numtochar(checkSum+32) after theCode
??? put numtochar(106+32) after theCode
???? 
??? replace space with numtochar(145) in theCode
???? 
??? -- fix for infrequent problem
??? replace numtochar(127) with numtochar(139) in theCode
???? 
??? return theCode
end createBarcode


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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 01:12:32 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:12:32 +1000
Subject: Anyone get barcodes to print/scan on a Mac?
In-Reply-To: <8C9C6346D5E125C-C94-4EA6@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9C6346D5E125C-C94-4EA6@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709152212y75ac17c8ib2a1ec8ec11bd03e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/16/07, rgould8 at aol.com <rgould8 at aol.com> wrote:
> I've been scouring the web looking for a good barcode font that will work with my barcode scanner (an "intelliscanner", which reads standard Code 128 barcodes).?
>
> The trouble I'm finding is that the barcode font I am using works great in Windows, but the Mac version of it won't seem to display the first and last characters of the formula when printing, so it never scans.

I use a Code 128 font from Riversedge <http://www.riversedge.com/> but
it is about 10 years since I bought it so I can't tell if it is still
the same. I bought it for OS 9, but it works fine in OS X.

>
> I found a great Rev. stack to demo barcode printing in the Rev archives, and I noticed the formula for Code 128 barcodes puts a "numtochar(103+32) at the beginning and numtochar(106+32) at the end.? On my Mac, these special characters do not display anything in the barcode field.? In Windows, I get the proper barcode chars to display at the beginning and end of the string.? Not sure why.? I'm trying to determine if it's the barcode font itself (In theory, it's the same between Mac and Windows), OR perhaps something different in the way the Mac handles numtochar(103+32).? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I think that might be my script, or if not, I use the same logic and
only on Macs, never tried it on Windows. The Code 128 scheme uses a
special header character, then the data, a checksum and a special
footer. If you display it in a normal font, you will get some strange
accented characters at the beginning & end - this is correct. Then you
should see a consistent pattern at the start & end of each barcode
when you display it using the barcode font.

There are some differences between Mac & Windows characters I think. I
wonder would using the MactoISO or ISOtoMac functions make any
difference? It may be that these codes produce the right barcode on a
real Mac font, but when using a Windows font on a Mac, things get
mixed up.

I'm not sure this is much help, but I can assure you that barcode
printing & scanning does work on a Mac.

Cheers,
Sarah


From arietext at mac.com  Sun Sep 16 02:48:40 2007
From: arietext at mac.com (Arie van der Ent)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:48:40 +0200
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
In-Reply-To: <46EC3041.80509@fourthworld.com>
References: <46EC3041.80509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6DD49FB6-C3EF-4689-AAAD-CCB3E9AFD646@mac.com>

Richard,

It  is not the framework ? EmpDB ? that's  causes the trouble,  it 's  
the logic I built in some of my own substacks.  I am working on OSX  
10.4.10 also and it works fine. Errors  occur in the Windows  
standalone. I think Ihave  to rebuild  the whole thing and test it  
part by part.

Arie van der Ent

Arie's  Koppieshop  - The Netherlands

Op 15-sep-2007, om 21:19 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

> Arie van der Ent wrote:
>> It is the first standalone I made for Windows. The application is   
>> based on the Employee Database of Richard Gaskin. There is a  
>> stack  that can be cloned en filled with data (first card). The  
>> cloned stack  exists of 10 cards. After filling in the data the  
>> first card the  results are shown on the next cards. On openCard  
>> en closeCard there  is some action to get he results en built the  
>> graphics. During this  action the screen is locked. The error  
>> occurs during the navigating  between the cards.
>
> I'm unable to reproduce that here, but I would be interested in  
> seeing the crash if I can.
>
> I tested on OS X 10.4.10  -- which OS are you using?
>
> I'm surprised the EmpDB has held up as well as it did.  Until this  
> morning I haven't built a standalone from it in many years.  It has  
> some bugs (e.g., "Go Previous Record" doesn't work) and no longer  
> reflects how I would build such a critter, but for learning a few  
> things while getting started it may not be horrible.
>
> If I could find the time I wouldn't mind updating that.  But client  
> work takes a priority, and lately I've had plenty to keep me occupied.
>
> But it's good to know someone's using it.  Helps motivate me to get  
> around to an update when I can....
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Sep 16 04:23:47 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:23:47 +0100
Subject: Anyone get barcodes to print/scan on a Mac?
Message-ID: <200709160923.48112.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Not on a Mac, but on Linux, but the issue might be the same.  

The problem might be the start/stop character.  When you use a TT barcode font  
you have to manually put in the start/stop character.  In Windows it is ! and 
in Linux its *.

I've done this fine with a 3of9 free font from IDAutomation, and it seems to 
work at whatever font size used.  I simply type in the desired code and then 
precede and follow it with * after which it works fine.  But if the keyboard 
wedge were to be used to read data into a Windows program, one would have to 
precede and follow with ! 

I've also used a barcode generator.

The problem I met here was generating barcodes as images and then resizing 
them.  When resized they mostly did not work.  However, when generated from 
the generating application (kbarcode) in the appropriate size, they always 
work.

Peter


From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr  Sun Sep 16 04:47:30 2007
From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:47:30 +0200
Subject: Revolution character sets showing up differently between Mac
	and Windows
In-Reply-To: <8C9C6280DE67DF2-59C-4DF6@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9C6280DE67DF2-59C-4DF6@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B2343FC0-9EA9-4A1E-863E-1B9169690DED@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

Perhaps could the 2 isoToMac and macToIso functions help you.

Best,

?rIC

Le 16 sept. 07 ? 05:23, rgould8 at aol.com a ?crit :

> I've got an application that pulls in data from a database, some  
> data which contains foreign characters (French/German characters  
> (a's o's with dots above them, etc).
>
> On Windows XP, the data shows up perfectly.
>
> On Mac OS X, many of the foreign characters are rendering  
> completely wrong within the Revolution text field.
>
> I've tried searching the docs for UTF8 and double-byte characters  
> and anything else I can think of.? Is there something special I  
> need to do in Mac OS X itself to fix this problem, or is there a  
> Revolution call/setting I should be using?
>
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Sep 16 04:48:19 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:48:19 +0200
Subject: Revolution character sets showing up differently between Mac
	and Windows
In-Reply-To: <8C9C6280DE67DF2-59C-4DF6@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9C6280DE67DF2-59C-4DF6@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD519B30-CAC9-423E-8B72-B4A13A790077@major-k.de>

Hi,

> I've got an application that pulls in data from a database, some  
> data which contains foreign characters (French/German characters  
> (a's o's with dots above them, etc).
>
> On Windows XP, the data shows up perfectly.
>
> On Mac OS X, many of the foreign characters are rendering  
> completely wrong within the Revolution text field.
>
> I've tried searching the docs for UTF8 and double-byte characters  
> and anything else I can think of.? Is there something special I  
> need to do in Mac OS X itself to fix this problem, or is there a  
> Revolution call/setting I should be using?

maybe "ISOtoMac(your data here)" is what you are looking for?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sun Sep 16 11:35:39 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:35:39 +0100
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46EC95EA.5030708@hindu.org>
References: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>	<7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EC95EA.5030708@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <46ED4D4B.8050209@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

You could run your app, checking to see if it's in the foreground, and 
if not, force itself to do so.
You could run a second app which watches to see if the Kiosk app is 
still running, and if not, to launch it.

Cheers,

Luis.


Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> You don't need to prevent CMD+TAB, you need to prevent running other
>> applications. You can just quit the Finder and everything else so that 
>> your
>> app is the only thing running. ;-)
>> Andre
> 
> That's too easy! HA! (smile)
> 
> but what about  cmd-option-esc? (I am unable to trap this)
>  could invoke the Force Quit Applications; user quits Rev and is back up in
> the Finder...
> 
> On the other hand, we are not really expecting any super hackers
> I'm just trying to get noisy kids from trying to do stuff while Mom
> is off talking with someone...I'm not sure how many will even
> know about cmd-option-esc.
> 
> Other suggestions were good too. we can restrict user priviliges,
> the gateway to the internet can lock the user out from everything
> but very specific sites...
> 
> 
>>
>> On 9/15/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>>> Looks like we have some fun-interesting dev ahead of us
>>>> as there is a request to create a Kiosk style app here for
>>>> all our visitor traffic to interface with... Rev is obviously
>>>> the best tool.
>>>>
>>>> I have some basic questions
>>>>
>>>> This will run on a little white 13 Powerbook - Mac OSX
>>>>
>>>> How do you lock up the machine such that once you boot
>>>> the Rev app, which will be set to take over the whole screen,
>>>> no one can do anything else but interact with your app.
>>>> i.e. a savvy use could hit cmd-tab, call up all running apps
>>>> and choose the finder, hide your app and there she is, face
>>>> to face with the finder-entire-machine and not your app.
>>>>
>>>> Then of course we need a way for admin to click on something
>>>> and then be granted access to the whole box again.
>>> The latter could be done easily enough by having a place to click that
>>> asks for a password.
>>>
>>> But preventing Command-Tab from bringing up the switcher is something I
>>> don't know how to do.  Trapping commandKeyDown doesn't let you prevent
>>> the OS from grabbing it first.
>>>
>>> This may require an external to tap into the OS event loop.
>>>
>>> Please let us know what you come up with.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>   Richard Gaskin
>>>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>>>   _______________________________________________________
>>>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 16 11:38:16 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:38:16 +0200
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46ED4D4B.8050209@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>	<7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EC95EA.5030708@hindu.org> <46ED4D4B.8050209@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8B67CF82-4D2A-4547-9E3B-D5FE1F00DC92@economy-x-talk.com>

...and a third app to see if the second app is running and...? :-)

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 16-sep-2007, om 17:35 heeft Luis het volgende geschreven:

> Hiya,
>
> You could run your app, checking to see if it's in the foreground,  
> and if not, force itself to do so.
> You could run a second app which watches to see if the Kiosk app is  
> still running, and if not, to launch it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>



From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 16 11:42:04 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:42:04 -0300
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <8B67CF82-4D2A-4547-9E3B-D5FE1F00DC92@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>
	<7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EC95EA.5030708@hindu.org> <46ED4D4B.8050209@anachreon.co.uk>
	<8B67CF82-4D2A-4547-9E3B-D5FE1F00DC92@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709160842l64391d24r2d081768225dec1a@mail.gmail.com>

or if we really want to lock the user in, use a virtualizator such as
parallels or vmware fusion and lock the user into a virtual machine with
only the application running... he will not be able to cmd+tab or
cmd+control+esc or anything...
(if we want to be safe...)

On 9/16/07, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
> ...and a third app to see if the second app is running and...? :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 16-sep-2007, om 17:35 heeft Luis het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Hiya,
> >
> > You could run your app, checking to see if it's in the foreground,
> > and if not, force itself to do so.
> > You could run a second app which watches to see if the Kiosk app is
> > still running, and if not, to launch it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Luis.
> >
>
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sun Sep 16 14:24:05 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:24:05 -0400
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <20070916170006.F263048A760@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070916170006.F263048A760@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <39395EFD-F279-40F8-B9C1-3D0D89B722D2@siphonophore.com>

Sivakatirswami,

you are correct rev is the best solution here! many public kiosk apps  
living happily for years at many museums made in meta/rev!

As others have suggested, getting rid of the keyboard in a public  
place is the best thing to do. i they do need to put in some input  
then just do a split screen and create a screen keyboard they can use  
to do limited input with.

The main reason to do this is that the public (even with light use)  
can be very, very hard on hardware. keeping as much of it away from  
them as possible is the best option. best option is to use a touch  
screen lcd that is bezeled into a wall or something to provide  
support and keep folks from trying to move or poke around it.  
Keyboards just spell trouble. all sorts of stuff can be dropped into  
them. mice and trackballs can also have amazingly short lives on  
displays.

While i have rarely seen folks trying to purposely damage equipment,  
they just seem to be oblivious to things on display at all and dont  
treat them as they would their own home computer. Hacking isnt  
usually on purpose also, many times someone just happens to click or  
hit the keyboard oddly and things happen... We had one Kiosk app that  
kept crashing and could not figure out why until we put a camera on  
the display. looked like when folks were trying to click on some  
buttons on the right hand side of the screen things were bombing.  
could not reproduce this in the office. finally i worked on the  
machine in situ and i could get it to crash if i rolled the track  
ball as far as it could go to the right. would not do this with other  
mice or trackballs. replaced the track ball and all was fine, best we  
could guess it the track ball got bunged up with public use as no one  
(even at the manufacturer) had see this before...

i would suggest that to start you just block off the keyboard with a  
piece of wood and putting a mouse or trackball out. you may also want  
to put a piece of plexi glass in front of the screen as folks will  
also poink the screen thinking its a touch screen and the even just  
like to point at things and touch them anyways. the power book lcds  
are not that hardy of a surface and sharp fingernails can help this.

there are touch screens for lcds that mount on a piece of glass you  
put over your lcd to really make them tough if you find stuff gets  
banged up quickly. you never will know what the abuse will be in an  
environment until you try it! Ive had places where i thought things  
would get trashed do fine and other places i thought would be fine  
get trashed...

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds


On Sep 16, 2007, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> You don't need to prevent CMD+TAB, you need to prevent running other
>> applications. You can just quit the Finder and everything else so  
>> that your
>> app is the only thing running. ;-)
>> Andre
>
> That's too easy! HA! (smile)
>
> but what about  cmd-option-esc? (I am unable to trap this)
>   could invoke the Force Quit Applications; user quits Rev and is  
> back up in
> the Finder...
>
> On the other hand, we are not really expecting any super hackers
> I'm just trying to get noisy kids from trying to do stuff while Mom
> is off talking with someone...I'm not sure how many will even
> know about cmd-option-esc.
>
> Other suggestions were good too. we can restrict user priviliges,
> the gateway to the internet can lock the user out from everything
> but very specific sites...



From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep 16 15:42:07 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:42:07 -1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709160842l64391d24r2d081768225dec1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46EC3C6A.1040503@fourthworld.com>	<7c87a2a10709151417pfa2a38fqfc430c414cd48a55@mail.gmail.com>	<46EC95EA.5030708@hindu.org>
	<46ED4D4B.8050209@anachreon.co.uk>	<8B67CF82-4D2A-4547-9E3B-D5FE1F00DC92@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7c87a2a10709160842l64391d24r2d081768225dec1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46ED870F.4000707@hindu.org>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> or if we really want to lock the user in, use a virtualizator such as
> parallels or vmware fusion and lock the user into a virtual machine with
> only the application running... he will not be able to cmd+tab or
> cmd+control+esc or anything...
> (if we want to be safe...)
> 
> On 9/16/07, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>> ...and a third app to see if the second app is running and...? :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille


Thanks to all for responses. I'm sorry if I don't always acknowledge the
wonderful help from everyone here... I'm often away from this
forum for days at a time.

Of all the options the simplest thing for now seems to be to create
a  new "managed" user, (e.g. "Guest") in addition to a user who has 
admin privileges

-- turn on parental controls
-- disable *all* applications
-- turn on "simple finder"
-- put your application in the "Shared" folder.

Apple seems to have thought about this a bit... as it is possible to then
switch to "Full Finder" by entering the admin password.

Logging in then a "guest" you really have a super "crippled" user.
In fact it is so crippled that even logging into the network and 
accessing the
our XServe via the LAN seems to be problematic even if you log in
as a valid user to that machine... (which will be a different problem
if we want this "kiosk" box to read and write files to the server over 
the LAN)
All kinds of wierd AFP msgs start popping up as if the  system doesn't
have access to needed resources you would have if you logged in as
a user with more privileges... but that's another story... I'm not sure we
will need to AFP mount any volumes on the server... we will manage
all "conversations" with the serve by http-cgi posts

As for http access, we will just have our net admin set up the firewall to
grant only access to our domain to the IP of this box.

Now, the *only* thing a user could do would be to force quit and be
landed back into a finder which is virtually empty of anything except
an icon to our app. He's jailed in.... If you set start up to only show
a log in prompt and not the list of users, then even if he reboots the
machine, he's going to be "stuck"  , The only applications in
"My Applications" is Firefox (or Safari)

Worse case scenario, we come and find that our app is off or the machine is
shut down... but no way he can do anything.

And we could, if we need to use Luis's suggestion about a "monitor" app that
reboots the main app. I supposed that could even be invisible.



and








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>>
>> Op 16-sep-2007, om 17:35 heeft Luis het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> You could run your app, checking to see if it's in the foreground,
>>> and if not, force itself to do so.
>>> You could run a second app which watches to see if the Kiosk app is
>>> still running, and if not, to launch it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Luis.
>>>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 16 16:06:20 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:06:20 +0200
Subject: Typo in revBackScript causing debugger to exit while debugging
	group scripts
Message-ID: <EE0F2743-20F4-4B75-ADE5-723F9D13E1AB@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

As you probably know, there is problem with groups and debugging. You  
can read about these problems here:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=329>

It took me an hour or so, but I believe I have found one of the  
causes of the problem. Since the solution is extremely simple, I'll  
post it here. If you use both groups and the debugger, you will  
probably want to make the following correction.


1) In the message box, type:

edit script of btn "revBackScript" of cd id 1002 of stack "revLibrary"

and press enter.

2) In the script window, find the function revScriptEditor. Find the  
line

       put the ID of cd tCardName of stack revTargetStack(tObject)  
into word 7 of pObject

Change tObject into pObject. Apply the script and close the script  
editor.

3) In the message box type:

save stack "revLibrary"

and type enter. Now you're done.

You can read more about this solution at

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5403>

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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Sep 16 17:59:30 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:59:30 -1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <39395EFD-F279-40F8-B9C1-3D0D89B722D2@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070916170006.F263048A760@mail.runrev.com>
	<39395EFD-F279-40F8-B9C1-3D0D89B722D2@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <46EDA742.4020908@hindu.org>

Jeff:

As usual, your very thorough analysis and report are super input.

Our current requirement will need to let people fill in
their name and address and possibly even CC# number.

I'm not sure that blocking the keyboard is going to work.
Well, try we could put a point and click keyboard on screen,
but that will raise user resistance to our goal: get their
name and address...email address and hopefully a donation.
Would people actually fill in their entire address on a screen
keyboard? that will be the question.

The "public" traffic we are talking about is in the vicinity of 20-150 
people
a day, where we would be very luck to get 30% of that traffic to
actually "sign the guest book"

So I guess this probably qualifies as "very light use"

On the other hand, our place here is slowly becoming "famous"
and traffic is going up every week...so, the future will be different....


Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> Sivakatirswami,
> 
> you are correct rev is the best solution here! many public kiosk apps 
> living happily for years at many museums made in meta/rev!
> 
> As others have suggested, getting rid of the keyboard in a public place 
> is the best thing to do. i they do need to put in some input then just 
> do a split screen and create a screen keyboard they can use to do 
> limited input with.
> 
> The main reason to do this is that the public (even with light use) can 
> be very, very hard on hardware. keeping as much of it away from them as 
> possible is the best option. best option is to use a touch screen lcd 
> that is bezeled into a wall or something to provide support and keep 
> folks from trying to move or poke around it. Keyboards just spell 
> trouble. all sorts of stuff can be dropped into them. mice and 
> trackballs can also have amazingly short lives on displays.
> 
> While i have rarely seen folks trying to purposely damage equipment, 
> they just seem to be oblivious to things on display at all and dont 
> treat them as they would their own home computer. Hacking isnt usually 
> on purpose also, many times someone just happens to click or hit the 
> keyboard oddly and things happen... We had one Kiosk app that kept 
> crashing and could not figure out why until we put a camera on the 
> display. looked like when folks were trying to click on some buttons on 
> the right hand side of the screen things were bombing. could not 
> reproduce this in the office. finally i worked on the machine in situ 
> and i could get it to crash if i rolled the track ball as far as it 
> could go to the right. would not do this with other mice or trackballs. 
> replaced the track ball and all was fine, best we could guess it the 
> track ball got bunged up with public use as no one (even at the 
> manufacturer) had see this before...
> 
> i would suggest that to start you just block off the keyboard with a 
> piece of wood and putting a mouse or trackball out. you may also want to 
> put a piece of plexi glass in front of the screen as folks will also 
> poink the screen thinking its a touch screen and the even just like to 
> point at things and touch them anyways. the power book lcds are not that 
> hardy of a surface and sharp fingernails can help this.
> 
> there are touch screens for lcds that mount on a piece of glass you put 
> over your lcd to really make them tough if you find stuff gets banged up 
> quickly. you never will know what the abuse will be in an environment 
> until you try it! Ive had places where i thought things would get 
> trashed do fine and other places i thought would be fine get trashed...
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Jeffrey Reynolds
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2007, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>> You don't need to prevent CMD+TAB, you need to prevent running other
>>> applications. You can just quit the Finder and everything else so 
>>> that your
>>> app is the only thing running. ;-)
>>> Andre
>>
>> That's too easy! HA! (smile)
>>
>> but what about  cmd-option-esc? (I am unable to trap this)
>>   could invoke the Force Quit Applications; user quits Rev and is back 
>> up in
>> the Finder...
>>
>> On the other hand, we are not really expecting any super hackers
>> I'm just trying to get noisy kids from trying to do stuff while Mom
>> is off talking with someone...I'm not sure how many will even
>> know about cmd-option-esc.
>>
>> Other suggestions were good too. we can restrict user priviliges,
>> the gateway to the internet can lock the user out from everything
>> but very specific sites...
> 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 18:07:30 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:07:30 +1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <46EDA742.4020908@hindu.org>
References: <20070916170006.F263048A760@mail.runrev.com>
	<39395EFD-F279-40F8-B9C1-3D0D89B722D2@siphonophore.com>
	<46EDA742.4020908@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709161507g48ffc23ena5f8ae7a33281018@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm not sure that blocking the keyboard is going to work.
> Well, try we could put a point and click keyboard on screen,
> but that will raise user resistance to our goal: get their
> name and address...email address and hopefully a donation.
> Would people actually fill in their entire address on a screen
> keyboard? that will be the question.

In that case, how about a shaped lid over the keyboard that obscured
all the "dangerous" buttons. Just let them access the actual letter &
number keys, space, shift, delete & return. It could be locked on so
that admin people could take it off to access the whole keyboard if
required.

Sarah


From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Sep 16 22:55:40 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:55:40 -0300
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709161507g48ffc23ena5f8ae7a33281018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070916170006.F263048A760@mail.runrev.com>
	<39395EFD-F279-40F8-B9C1-3D0D89B722D2@siphonophore.com>
	<46EDA742.4020908@hindu.org>
	<f99b52860709161507g48ffc23ena5f8ae7a33281018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709161955s10709913kb5bd0976046db587@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha Sivakatirswami,
I don't know if this been on the thread before:

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html

This is "Apple Guide for creating kiosk applications with mac os x"

Om Shanti
Andre


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 23:16:54 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:16:54 +0800
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
In-Reply-To: <W285924860225951189803126@webmail23>
References: <W285924860225951189803126@webmail23>
Message-ID: <f73a98160709162016s37c76525v9bd81dff80b2d5ca@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/15/07, Mark E. Powell <runrev at aboutmyfiles.com> wrote:
>
> Follow-up:  After kicking the tires and performing rain dances, the
> problem cleared up, but without explanation.
>
> JOOTT (just one of those things)


FWIW I have often seen the IDE inexplicably (JOOTT) drop out of 'Script
Debug Mode' - under the Development menu. Whenever breakpoints stop working
this is now the first thing I look at and it solves it the majority of
times, the other times it's usually down to code which skips the breakpoint.

HTH

OSX Rev 2.8


From john at debraneys.com  Sun Sep 16 23:38:11 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:38:11 +0000
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
Message-ID: <W1222552216761190000291@webmail15>

At the risk of extedning this (fairly long) thread. I have noticed that a script breakpoint in in cloned object does not work. That is... I have a (template) stack that contains a number of complex interface groups. I place a breakpoint in any script of that stack. When the user asks for information to be displayed the template stack is cloned to create a new instance of the stack. 
The script breakpoints do not work unless I open the script window of the relevant (cloned) object, remove and replace the breakpoint. Then all is sweet.

Not sure if you are working with cloned objects, but this is consistent behaviour in my (limited) experience with Rev.

Regards

John

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kay C Lan [mailto:lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 01:16 PM
>To: 'How to use Revolution'
>Subject: Re: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
>
>On 9/15/07, Mark E. Powell <runrev at aboutmyfiles.com> wrote:
>>
>> Follow-up: After kicking the tires and performing rain dances, the
>> problem cleared up, but without explanation.
>>
>> JOOTT (just one of those things)
>
>
>FWIW I have often seen the IDE inexplicably (JOOTT) drop out of 'Script
>Debug Mode' - under the Development menu. Whenever breakpoints stop working
>this is now the first thing I look at and it solves it the majority of
>times, the other times it's usually down to code which skips the breakpoint.
>
>HTH
>
>OSX Rev 2.8
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 00:03:26 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:03:26 +0800
Subject: breakpoint is suddenly being ignored in IDE
In-Reply-To: <W1222552216761190000291@webmail15>
References: <W1222552216761190000291@webmail15>
Message-ID: <f73a98160709162103x14b079d7ued6764c274fce4c0@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/07, John Tregea <john at debraneys.com> wrote:
>
> The script breakpoints do not work unless I open the script window of the
> relevant (cloned) object, remove and replace the breakpoint. Then all is
> sweet.


Is this the  'breakpoint dot' or the actual word "breakpoint" in a script.
Does it make any difference?


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Sep 17 00:38:45 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:38:45 -1000
Subject: Kiosk Question - Lock User In
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709161507g48ffc23ena5f8ae7a33281018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070916170006.F263048A760@mail.runrev.com>	<39395EFD-F279-40F8-B9C1-3D0D89B722D2@siphonophore.com>	<46EDA742.4020908@hindu.org>
	<f99b52860709161507g48ffc23ena5f8ae7a33281018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EE04D5.2060407@hindu.org>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> I'm not sure that blocking the keyboard is going to work.
>> Well, try we could put a point and click keyboard on screen,
>> but that will raise user resistance to our goal: get their
>> name and address...email address and hopefully a donation.
>> Would people actually fill in their entire address on a screen
>> keyboard? that will be the question.
> 
> In that case, how about a shaped lid over the keyboard that obscured
> all the "dangerous" buttons. Just let them access the actual letter &
> number keys, space, shift, delete & return. It could be locked on so
> that admin people could take it off to access the whole keyboard if
> required.

That was exactly what we decided to do... but

Andre has a surprise for us..

Stay tuned.

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 17 01:16:52 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:16:52 -0300
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>

My Friends,
I am here to announce my first external. Called libKiosk, it taps into the
power of Mac OS X SystemUIMode to enable true apple-standard kiosk
applications. It will do the following things:

* Prevent application switching using CMD+TAB or CMD+SHIFT+TAB
* Prevent force quit
* Prevent power button from bringing up dialog (only in KioskModeFull)
* Remove both the dock and the apple menu from the interface

The external has three commands

KioskModeOn - enters kiosk mode, user is all locked into kiosk except for
the fact that the power button still works (that dialog sleep, shutdown,
logout...)

KioskModeFull - enters full kiosk mode where we remove everything and the
power button.

KioskModeOff - makes the UI normal again.

This external follows apple technical note on building kiosk applications,
it is not a hack, it's the real thing! :D

Homepage and download: http://andregarzia.com/libKiosk.html

libKiosk is free and donations are welcome.

Have fun building Kiosks!

PS: this is my first external! :-D

Andre

On 9/17/07, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> >> I'm not sure that blocking the keyboard is going to work.
> >> Well, try we could put a point and click keyboard on screen,
> >> but that will raise user resistance to our goal: get their
> >> name and address...email address and hopefully a donation.
> >> Would people actually fill in their entire address on a screen
> >> keyboard? that will be the question.
> >
> > In that case, how about a shaped lid over the keyboard that obscured
> > all the "dangerous" buttons. Just let them access the actual letter &
> > number keys, space, shift, delete & return. It could be locked on so
> > that admin people could take it off to access the whole keyboard if
> > required.
>
> That was exactly what we decided to do... but
>
> Andre has a surprise for us..
>
> Stay tuned.
>
> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 17 04:41:24 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:41:24 +0200
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76934FAA-3E6A-4406-8A9C-54D7D72F31DA@economy-x-talk.com>

Thanks, Andre,

I'm going to test it. This might come in very handy for a few  
educational projects of mine. Oh, and congratulations with your first  
external!

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 17-sep-2007, om 7:16 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:

> My Friends,
> I am here to announce my first external. Called libKiosk, it taps  
> into the
> power of Mac OS X SystemUIMode to enable true apple-standard kiosk
> applications. It will do the following things:
>
> * Prevent application switching using CMD+TAB or CMD+SHIFT+TAB
> * Prevent force quit
> * Prevent power button from bringing up dialog (only in KioskModeFull)
> * Remove both the dock and the apple menu from the interface
>
> The external has three commands
>
> KioskModeOn - enters kiosk mode, user is all locked into kiosk  
> except for
> the fact that the power button still works (that dialog sleep,  
> shutdown,
> logout...)
>
> KioskModeFull - enters full kiosk mode where we remove everything  
> and the
> power button.
>
> KioskModeOff - makes the UI normal again.
>
> This external follows apple technical note on building kiosk  
> applications,
> it is not a hack, it's the real thing! :D
>
> Homepage and download: http://andregarzia.com/libKiosk.html
>
> libKiosk is free and donations are welcome.
>
> Have fun building Kiosks!
>
> PS: this is my first external! :-D
>
> Andre



From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Sep 17 05:27:30 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:27:30 +0200
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <20070324170008.E4E2A48903B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070324170008.E4E2A48903B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DEF16812-F66F-41EE-B19B-C8553C77788A@derbrill.de>

Thanks Andre,

will give it a try for sure, when my schedule cleans up a bit. So now  
that you are also an external pro, when will you be for hire to write  
that Multichannel audio external I always dreamed of? <g>

All the best,

Malte


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Sep 17 07:00:11 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:00:11 +0200
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab0ff0658ed7a74b7ad0f7aa1fb854cf@mac.com>

Very nice, and worked flawlessly on my 10.3.9 installation. Any chance 
of getting the source code?
Maybe this command is simple enough for me to understand how externals 
bind to rev :)

have fun
Bj?rnke

On 17 Sep 2007, at 07:16, Andre Garzia wrote:

> My Friends,
> I am here to announce my first external. Called libKiosk, it taps into 
> the
> power of Mac OS X SystemUIMode to enable true apple-standard kiosk
> applications. It will do the following things:
>
> * Prevent application switching using CMD+TAB or CMD+SHIFT+TAB
> * Prevent force quit
> * Prevent power button from bringing up dialog (only in KioskModeFull)
> * Remove both the dock and the apple menu from the interface
>
> The external has three commands
>
> KioskModeOn - enters kiosk mode, user is all locked into kiosk except 
> for
> the fact that the power button still works (that dialog sleep, 
> shutdown,
> logout...)
>
> KioskModeFull - enters full kiosk mode where we remove everything and 
> the
> power button.
>
> KioskModeOff - makes the UI normal again.
>
> This external follows apple technical note on building kiosk 
> applications,
> it is not a hack, it's the real thing! :D
>
> Homepage and download: http://andregarzia.com/libKiosk.html
>
> libKiosk is free and donations are welcome.
>
> Have fun building Kiosks!
>
> PS: this is my first external! :-D
>
> Andre
>
> On 9/17/07, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure that blocking the keyboard is going to work.
>>>> Well, try we could put a point and click keyboard on screen,
>>>> but that will raise user resistance to our goal: get their
>>>> name and address...email address and hopefully a donation.
>>>> Would people actually fill in their entire address on a screen
>>>> keyboard? that will be the question.
>>>
>>> In that case, how about a shaped lid over the keyboard that obscured
>>> all the "dangerous" buttons. Just let them access the actual letter &
>>> number keys, space, shift, delete & return. It could be locked on so
>>> that admin people could take it off to access the whole keyboard if
>>> required.
>>
>> That was exactly what we decided to do... but
>>
>> Andre has a surprise for us..
>>
>> Stay tuned.
>>
>> Sivakatirswami
>> www.himalayanacademy.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 07:51:56 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:51:56 +1000
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <ab0ff0658ed7a74b7ad0f7aa1fb854cf@mac.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab0ff0658ed7a74b7ad0f7aa1fb854cf@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709170451g5836e91al7bb3af595c160ab3@mail.gmail.com>

> Very nice, and worked flawlessly on my 10.3.9 installation. Any chance
> of getting the source code?
> Maybe this command is simple enough for me to understand how externals
> bind to rev :)

Yes indeed. I would really love to know how to use an external to do
some of the system calls. How about a tutorial Andre?

Cheers,
Sarah


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 17 09:38:25 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:38:25 -0300
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709170451g5836e91al7bb3af595c160ab3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab0ff0658ed7a74b7ad0f7aa1fb854cf@mac.com>
	<f99b52860709170451g5836e91al7bb3af595c160ab3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709170638x644e9bbbl62f470819ae492c2@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah and BvG,
check the home page again, I've added a link to the source code. It needs
the ExternalEnvironmentV1 that can be obtained from
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter5.php and XCode
2.4.

The source is way simple, I could even publish it in a email, it's less than
a hundred lines. This external could be made more powerful by allowing the
user to fine tune the SystemUIMode options but again this is not
libSystemUIMode it is libKiosk and Kiosk needs are simple and straight
forward, no need to complicate.

The source is public domain and for those that really want a license it is
if-you-like-it-then-next-time-you-see-me-give-me-a-hug-license-1.0 or
something like that.

As for writting a tutorial, I just followed Mark tutorial on the newsletter,
the external he builds does much more than libKiosk. I'll Thanks Mark
forever for finally making me understand how to build externals.

Best
andre

On 9/17/07, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Very nice, and worked flawlessly on my 10.3.9 installation. Any chance
> > of getting the source code?
> > Maybe this command is simple enough for me to understand how externals
> > bind to rev :)
>
> Yes indeed. I would really love to know how to use an external to do
> some of the system calls. How about a tutorial Andre?
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 17 10:31:49 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:31:49 +0200
Subject: save stack on server
Message-ID: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

we are working with stacks located on a (quite fast Mac-Server, we  
have NO problems to even record videos via network on the server!)
and almost every second time I try to save a stack I get:
Can't save stack, error was:
Can't open stack backup file

Then I click "OK" and then I can save without problems!?
Maybe Rev does "give up" to fast?

Any insights are welcome!


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 17 10:40:05 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:40:05 +0200
Subject: Remove subset from array
Message-ID: <DE28D8E1-3422-46B3-979D-8057C1E34FB9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

We have the intersect and union commands to manipulate arrays. I  
would like to be able to remove the element of one array from another  
array. E.g. if a,b,c is on array 1 and a,b,c,d,e,f is in array 2, I  
would like to remove a,b,c from array 2 without using a repeat loop.

Did I miss something and is this possible already, or should I post  
an enhancement request? What would be a good name for such a command,  
if there isn't any yet?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep 17 10:42:54 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:42:54 -0700
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
Message-ID: <46EE926E.7040106@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> I am here to announce my first external. Called libKiosk, it taps into the
> power of Mac OS X SystemUIMode to enable true apple-standard kiosk
> applications. It will do the following things:
...
> Homepage and download: http://andregarzia.com/libKiosk.html
> 
> libKiosk is free and donations are welcome.
> 
> Have fun building Kiosks!
> 
> PS: this is my first external! :-D

Good work, Andre!   Maybe next time you're in LA you can present that at 
a SoCal RUG meeting. :)

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 17 10:44:22 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:44:22 +0200
Subject: save stack on server
In-Reply-To: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
References: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <39B9262A-AC70-4001-A336-83D6B752AD6D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

I see exactly the same. I think it is a bug affecting the path where  
Rev expects to find a stack. Since the stack is not found at the  
incorrect path, even though the stack at the correct location exists,  
Rev can't save the stack.

It doesn't matter whether I save the stack to a slow server (hard  
disk needs to fire up) or to a fast server (hard disk always spinning).

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 17-sep-2007, om 16:31 heeft Klaus Major het volgende geschreven:

> Hi friends,
>
> we are working with stacks located on a (quite fast Mac-Server, we  
> have NO problems to even record videos via network on the server!)
> and almost every second time I try to save a stack I get:
> Can't save stack, error was:
> Can't open stack backup file
>
> Then I click "OK" and then I can save without problems!?
> Maybe Rev does "give up" to fast?
>
> Any insights are welcome!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 17 10:48:37 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:48:37 +0200
Subject: save stack on server
In-Reply-To: <39B9262A-AC70-4001-A336-83D6B752AD6D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
	<39B9262A-AC70-4001-A336-83D6B752AD6D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <EDCE51E6-4508-4947-9599-C80F6E1CBFFA@major-k.de>

Dag Mark,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> I see exactly the same. I think it is a bug affecting the path  
> where Rev expects to find a stack. Since the stack is not found at  
> the incorrect path, even though the stack at the correct location  
> exists, Rev can't save the stack.
>
> It doesn't matter whether I save the stack to a slow server (hard  
> disk needs to fire up) or to a fast server (hard disk always  
> spinning).

thanks for the quick answer!

Do you know if this has already been bugz.. erm "quality center"ed?

> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> --
>
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>
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Best

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 17 10:54:21 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:54:21 +0200
Subject: save stack on server
In-Reply-To: <EDCE51E6-4508-4947-9599-C80F6E1CBFFA@major-k.de>
References: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
	<39B9262A-AC70-4001-A336-83D6B752AD6D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EDCE51E6-4508-4947-9599-C80F6E1CBFFA@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <A57650AE-4308-462E-9F4A-9DA3F350DFAF@economy-x-talk.com>

Guten Mittag Klaus,

A search for "backup file" doesn't give any relevant results.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 17-sep-2007, om 16:48 heeft Klaus Major het volgende geschreven:

> Dag Mark,
>
> thanks for the quick answer!
>
> Do you know if this has already been bugz.. erm "quality center"ed?



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Sep 17 10:55:30 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:55:30 -0400
Subject: save stack on server
In-Reply-To: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
References: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <846BB030-1810-44A8-8F2E-05CBF6BBB553@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> we are working with stacks located on a (quite fast Mac-Server, we  
> have NO problems to even record videos via network on the server!)
> and almost every second time I try to save a stack I get:
> Can't save stack, error was:
> Can't open stack backup file
>
> Then I click "OK" and then I can save without problems!?
> Maybe Rev does "give up" to fast?
>
> Any insights are welcome!

There is a bug on OS X when saving stack files to Volumes that you  
may be running into. You can see the same problem with USB drives as  
well.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5214

Appears it is fixed in 2.9.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com




From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 17 10:58:59 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:58:59 +0200
Subject: save stack on server
In-Reply-To: <846BB030-1810-44A8-8F2E-05CBF6BBB553@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <8B62509B-15EE-4898-A6B7-D224E5D47E36@major-k.de>
	<846BB030-1810-44A8-8F2E-05CBF6BBB553@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <09184451-C5CD-45DB-9861-B1997540603E@major-k.de>

Hi Trevor,

> On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> we are working with stacks located on a (quite fast Mac-Server, we  
>> have NO problems to even record videos via network on the server!)
>> and almost every second time I try to save a stack I get:
>> Can't save stack, error was:
>> Can't open stack backup file
>> Then I click "OK" and then I can save without problems!?
>> Maybe Rev does "give up" to fast?
>> Any insights are welcome!
>
> There is a bug on OS X when saving stack files to Volumes that you  
> may be running into. You can see the same problem with USB drives  
> as well.
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5214
> Appears it is fixed in 2.9.

Aha, I see, thanks.

> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 16:43:57 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:43:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Deleting bits of words ?
Message-ID: <925688.28249.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I tried this:

delete ".jpg" of fld "PICNAME"

(where fld "PICNAME" contained the word 'tree.jpg')

and it didn't work.

Should be grateful for ideas on how to do this.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Sep 17 16:51:14 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:51:14 -0700
Subject: Deleting bits of words ?
In-Reply-To: <925688.28249.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C31436D2.2EFEC%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> delete ".jpg" of fld "PICNAME"
> 
> (where fld "PICNAME" contained the word 'tree.jpg')
> 
> and it didn't work.
> 
> Should be grateful for ideas on how to do this.

Here's one way:

 replace ".jpg" with empty in fld PICNAME

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 16:55:07 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:55:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Deleting bits of word ?
Message-ID: <804021.79882.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Scott:

works!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Mon Sep 17 16:56:32 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:56:32 -0700
Subject: Remove subset from array
In-Reply-To: <DE28D8E1-3422-46B3-979D-8057C1E34FB9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C3143810.276E1%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 9/17/07 7:40 AM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> We have the intersect and union commands to manipulate arrays. I
> would like to be able to remove the element of one array from another
> array. E.g. if a,b,c is on array 1 and a,b,c,d,e,f is in array 2, I
> would like to remove a,b,c from array 2 without using a repeat loop.
> 
> Did I miss something and is this possible already, or should I post
> an enhancement request? What would be a good name for such a command,
> if there isn't any yet?

Without a new command or function, the repeat loop is essential, I think.

A quick check of Wikipedia suggests several candidate names:
  relativeComplement
  setTheoreticDifference
  complement
  setDifference
  difference
  setDiff
  diff

See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complement_%28set_theory%29>.

Here's what I use:

on set_differenceFromArrays @tArray,pArray,pCaseSensitive
  local tKey
  set the casesensitive to (pCaseSensitive is "true")
  repeat for each key tKey in pArray
    delete variable tArray[tKey]
  end repeat
  delete variable tArray[empty]
end set_differenceFromArrays

Command set_differenceFromLists uses a similar repeat loop.
 
-- Dick




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Sep 17 17:18:48 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:18:48 -0600
Subject: Deleting bits of words ?
In-Reply-To: <925688.28249.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <925688.28249.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3CB1E804-F0DE-4339-951E-9441F7A82D59@byu.edu>

Try:

replace ".jpg" with empty in fld "PICNAME"

Cheers,

Devin

On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I tried this:
>
> delete ".jpg" of fld "PICNAME"
>
> (where fld "PICNAME" contained the word 'tree.jpg')
>
> and it didn't work.
>
> Should be grateful for ideas on how to do this.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
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> Life Cycle.
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>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Sep 17 18:49:13 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:49:13 -1000
Subject: Open Stack in same folder -- relative path?
Message-ID: <46EF0469.3060602@hindu.org>

I have two stacks in one folder

1) Guestbook_engine.rev
2) Guestbook Records.rev

in the same folder

I though that  a button in stack 1)

on mouseUp
   go stack "Guestbook Records.rev"
   toplevel "Guestbook Records"
end mouseUp

should work to open the "adjacent" stack 2)

but it doesn't

what am I missing?

I need this to be portable.

Sivakatirswami



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 19:13:10 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:13:10 +1000
Subject: Open Stack in same folder -- relative path?
In-Reply-To: <46EF0469.3060602@hindu.org>
References: <46EF0469.3060602@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709171613yd90b983nb33aeb0ccf04bd17@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/18/07, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> I have two stacks in one folder
>
> 1) Guestbook_engine.rev
> 2) Guestbook Records.rev
>
> in the same folder
>
> I though that  a button in stack 1)
>
> on mouseUp
>    go stack "Guestbook Records.rev"
>    toplevel "Guestbook Records"
> end mouseUp
>
> should work to open the "adjacent" stack 2)
>
> but it doesn't
>
> what am I missing?
>
> I need this to be portable.
>

It depends what the defaultFolder is set to. If you are running from
the IDE, then the defaultFolder on startup will be the Revolution
application folder. In a standalone, it will be the application's
folder.

The easiest thing might be to set the defaultFolder to your
mainStack's folder on startup. That way it will work anywhere. So just
do something like this in a preOpenStack or openStack handler:

put the effective filename of me into tPath
set the itemDel to "/"
delete last item of tPath
set the defaultFolder to tPath

HTH,
Sarah


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 05:02:56 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:02:56 +0100
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <46EE926E.7040106@fourthworld.com>
References: <46EE926E.7040106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5AEAD90A-0883-41D8-B881-8E6F88FB18E7@anachreon.co.uk>

LibKiosk sounds about right for making ScreenSavers too.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 17 Sep 2007, at 15:42, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> I am here to announce my first external. Called libKiosk, it taps  
>> into the
>> power of Mac OS X SystemUIMode to enable true apple-standard kiosk
>> applications. It will do the following things:
> ...
>> Homepage and download: http://andregarzia.com/libKiosk.html
>> libKiosk is free and donations are welcome.
>> Have fun building Kiosks!
>> PS: this is my first external! :-D
>
> Good work, Andre!   Maybe next time you're in LA you can present  
> that at a SoCal RUG meeting. :)
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From runr at prismpole.com  Tue Sep 18 05:58:53 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:58:53 -0400
Subject: Can't trap Quit
Message-ID: <7fc99432a48ff70f7c9ccab62050f46f@prismpole.com>

> The user can close the window and be prompted to save with an answer
> command. If the user selects Yes then the program saves correctly and
> closes the stack window and all is good. However, if the user answers
> "No" the window closes correctly without saving (as it should) but
> now if the user selects Quit the standalone rapidly closes the
> remaining windows but never asks the user to save. In this situation
> if the user goes to another card in the stack first, then Quit the
> program will correctly ask to save if it is needed.
>
> This bug is in Bugzilla 5362.
>
> So I have two problems and don't have a good solution to either of 
> them.
> 	1. Quitting is not caught in the menu handler.
> 	2. Answering No in an answer dialog prevents even the on
> shutdownRequest.
>
> Ken Ray helped me characterize this bug and entered the Buzilla
> ticket. He tried it in MetaCard and it doesn't seem to be a problem
> there. How have folks solved this in Rev?

Hi Bill,

I think bug 5362 = 4994.  There is a workaround.  After each
Answer Dialog, just reset the defaultstack.

hth, Michael Binder



From runr at prismpole.com  Tue Sep 18 06:03:25 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:03:25 -0400
Subject: Shift+Click Item List?
Message-ID: <15223b9a5eb72ab31593d1745fc20dbe@prismpole.com>

> There was a bugzilla entry about hiliting multiple lines and some one
> offered a workaround.  Probably in the list archives about 4-5 months 
> ago.

Hi Jim,
I think maybe its bug 5172 which was discussed on the list before it 
was reported.
-- Michael Binder



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 18 11:45:55 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:45:55 -0700
Subject: [OT] great anti-spam tool
Message-ID: <46EFF2B3.3060707@fourthworld.com>

My web host just added Greylist to the options for fighting spam.  I had 
been getting literally tens of thousands of spams a day, increasing at 
the rate of about 30% every month.  After turning on the greylist the 
spam count dropped overnight to a small trickle.

It's an ingenious technique - check it out:
http://greylisting.org

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From jim at jimhamlyn.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 11:47:02 2007
From: jim at jimhamlyn.co.uk (Jim Hamlyn)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:47:02 +0100
Subject: Studio Trial
Message-ID: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>

Hi,

I?m a new owner of Revolution Media and I have a 30 day trial version of
Revolution Studio which I?ve been trying to get to produce some standalone
tests. However, other than the most basic stacks I can?t get it to produce
working standalone apps. I?m guessing this is a limit due to the evaluation
copy but it puts me in doubt about the Studio version as the trial claims to
have ?full, unrestricted functionality?.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

Jim



From bvg at mac.com  Tue Sep 18 11:52:36 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:52:36 +0200
Subject: Studio Trial
In-Reply-To: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
References: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
Message-ID: <22c62c8a9c2ce15f15f49d6393564f2a@mac.com>

Maybe you can elaborate a bit about what kind of stuff works, and what 
kind of stuff doesn't. What errors do you get, if any. Also what 
version of Rev, and what version of what OS you use. More details helps 
us understand what might be the issue. I myself have only made mediocre 
complex stacks, but I never had any problem building standalones out of 
them.

Full of questions

Bjoernke

On 18 Sep 2007, at 17:47, Jim Hamlyn wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I?m a new owner of Revolution Media and I have a 30 day trial version 
> of
> Revolution Studio which I?ve been trying to get to produce some 
> standalone
> tests. However, other than the most basic stacks I can?t get it to 
> produce
> working standalone apps. I?m guessing this is a limit due to the 
> evaluation
> copy but it puts me in doubt about the Studio version as the trial 
> claims to
> have ?full, unrestricted functionality?.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jim
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep 18 11:53:08 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:53:08 +0200
Subject: Studio Trial
In-Reply-To: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
References: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35D4B8F9-DB51-46F9-9018-198898BAAD9C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

Welcome to the Revolution community.

The trial is not limited in any way except in time. Something must be  
wrong with the stacks. Can you provide more information? At which  
point exactly do things go wrong?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 18-sep-2007, om 17:47 heeft Jim Hamlyn het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
>
> I?m a new owner of Revolution Media and I have a 30 day trial  
> version of
> Revolution Studio which I?ve been trying to get to produce some  
> standalone
> tests. However, other than the most basic stacks I can?t get it to  
> produce
> working standalone apps. I?m guessing this is a limit due to the  
> evaluation
> copy but it puts me in doubt about the Studio version as the trial  
> claims to
> have ?full, unrestricted functionality?.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jim
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 18 12:02:42 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:02:42 -0500
Subject: Studio Trial
In-Reply-To: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
References: <C315B186.B4B9%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46EFF6A2.1090707@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Hamlyn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I?m a new owner of Revolution Media and I have a 30 day trial version of
> Revolution Studio which I?ve been trying to get to produce some standalone
> tests. However, other than the most basic stacks I can?t get it to produce
> working standalone apps. I?m guessing this is a limit due to the evaluation
> copy but it puts me in doubt about the Studio version as the trial claims to
> have ?full, unrestricted functionality?.

It should work, there are no limits on functionality. Have you looked in 
the Standalone Settings (under the File menu) and made all the 
appropriate selections for your standalone?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 12:58:22 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:58:22 +0100
Subject: [OT] great anti-spam tool
In-Reply-To: <46EFF2B3.3060707@fourthworld.com>
References: <46EFF2B3.3060707@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <46F003AE.8090407@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> My web host just added Greylist to the options for fighting spam.  I had 
> been getting literally tens of thousands of spams a day, increasing at 
> the rate of about 30% every month.  After turning on the greylist the 
> spam count dropped overnight to a small trickle.
> 
> It's an ingenious technique - check it out:
> http://greylisting.org
> 

Yes, I second that. My host has been greylisting for over a year and 
when it was implemented, spam immediately dropped to, and is still, less 
than twenty a day, which is just about right. If I don't get any at all 
I start to worry that my mailhost is out of order. ;-)

Martin Baxter


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 12:51:03 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:51:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Proportional Scaling of non-EPS images in RR ?
Message-ID: <494724.27292.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If I import a JPG, PNG, GIF or other image into a
stack and it is larger than the card there seems to be
no way that I can shrink it to fit as the SCALE
command does with EPS or QT imports:

for instance:

set the scale of img "RUBBISH.jpg" to 2

does nothing

Now, it is possible to scale non EPS images, but it
means mucking around mathematically:

if the width of img "RUBBISH.jpg">400 then
put the height of img "RUBBISH.jpg" into HITE
put the width of img "RUBBISH.jpg" into WIDF
put (WIDF/400) into FAKTOR
set the width of img "RUBBISH.jpg" to 400
set the height of img "RUBBISH.jpg" to (HITE/FAKTOR)
end if

of course, if the height of img "RUBBISH.jpg" is still
outwith the boundaries of your stack you have to "do
it all over again".

What would be jolly nice (!) would be something that
would allow one to determine the "shrinkage factor"
required, and shrink the image.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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____________________________________________________________


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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep 18 13:15:17 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:15:17 +0100
Subject: Proportional Scaling of non-EPS images in RR ?
In-Reply-To: <494724.27292.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <494724.27292.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E0E43721-DAB4-44DC-BAF0-FF23242EA7C3@maseurope.net>

Richmond, this should work, I think:

on scalePic pImg
   put min(the height of this stack / the height of pImg, the width  
of this stack / the width of img pImg) into tFactor
   set the height of img pImg to the height of img pImg * tFactor
   set the width of img pImg to the width of img pImg * tFactor
   set the top of img pImg to 0
   set the left of img pImg to 0
end scalePic

Best,

Mark

On 18 Sep 2007, at 17:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> If I import a JPG, PNG, GIF or other image into a
> stack and it is larger than the card there seems to be
> no way that I can shrink it to fit as the SCALE
> command does with EPS or QT imports:
>
> for instance:
>
> set the scale of img "RUBBISH.jpg" to 2
>
> does nothing
>
> Now, it is possible to scale non EPS images, but it
> means mucking around mathematically:
>
> if the width of img "RUBBISH.jpg">400 then
> put the height of img "RUBBISH.jpg" into HITE
> put the width of img "RUBBISH.jpg" into WIDF
> put (WIDF/400) into FAKTOR
> set the width of img "RUBBISH.jpg" to 400
> set the height of img "RUBBISH.jpg" to (HITE/FAKTOR)
> end if
>
> of course, if the height of img "RUBBISH.jpg" is still
> outwith the boundaries of your stack you have to "do
> it all over again".
>
> What would be jolly nice (!) would be something that
> would allow one to determine the "shrinkage factor"
> required, and shrink the image.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
> Life Cycle.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Sep 18 13:48:01 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:48:01 -0500
Subject: Can't trap Quit
In-Reply-To: <7fc99432a48ff70f7c9ccab62050f46f@prismpole.com>
References: <7fc99432a48ff70f7c9ccab62050f46f@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <20070918124801289977.d702f224@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:58:53 -0400, Michael Binder wrote:

> I think bug 5362 = 4994.  There is a workaround.  After each
> Answer Dialog, just reset the defaultstack.

Yup, that was it... thanks! Bill you now know what to do...

:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mail at richard-hillen.de  Tue Sep 18 15:04:41 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:04:41 +0200
Subject: dragDrop/copyfile problem
Message-ID: <5C505CFE-3650-4BEC-AA65-F5704EC28E5B@richard-hillen.de>

Hello list,

I want to copy some files into a targetFolder by dragging them onto a  
dragdropArea; so I took a field with the following script:

------
on dragEnter
    set the acceptDrop to true
    pass dragEnter
end dragEnter


on dragDrop
    put "/Users/hillen/Desktop/ttt" into targetFolder
    put the dragData["files"] into FilePathList
    repeat for each line FilePath in FilePathList
      revcopyfile FilePath,TargetFolder
    end repeat
end dragDrop
------

It works, but to copy 2 files you need 25 seconds or so (MacBook Pro,  
2.2 GHz, RunRev 2.8.1, built 4.7.2)

What to do?

Thank you for your hints.
Richard.


From jim at jimhamlyn.co.uk  Tue Sep 18 15:58:54 2007
From: jim at jimhamlyn.co.uk (Jim Hamlyn)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:58:54 +0100
Subject: Studio Trial
Message-ID: <C315EC8E.B4C8%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>

Hi again,

Thanks for your replies. I think what I?ve been doing wrong is this: Firstly
I tried to open a stack which I made in Rev Media. This opened fine and I
could browse it fine too (no script errors etc). However, when I tried to
save it as a standalone it wouldn?t open. I then started trying to paste
objects from the stack made in Revolution Media and this was ok for about 10
objects but stopped working for more. I gave up and just did it all again
from scratch which works fine. Seems like there must be some kind of block
to stop more complex stacks being imported and saved as standalones (fair
enough!).

Jim


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Sep 18 17:17:41 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:17:41 -0400
Subject: Vista problem with Capture
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709181417k45e4f79fsa280f1c27a419413@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using  Rev 2.8.1 and trying to capture the screen, and I keep
getting a black rectangle. I've had many users of ButtonGadget report
the same thing-- but funny thing is I can't get it to reproduce on my
Vista machine at home.

It appears it's some sort of Home vs Business graphics setting. If I
go to the compatibility tab of the Business (more advanced graphics)
machine for ButtonGadget2, and check "Disable desktop composition",
things seem to work, but there is a 'flash' when BG2 starts.

Has anyone else seen this problem? Is there any sort of fix? This
seems to be a deal killer for any apps which want to run on Vista and
do any sort of screen capture.

-Chipp


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 18:47:39 2007
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:47:39 -0400
Subject: Studio Trial
In-Reply-To: <C315EC8E.B4C8%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
References: <C315EC8E.B4C8%jim@jimhamlyn.co.uk>
Message-ID: <325413300709181547y333bd8fdm742cc4e0194508e0@mail.gmail.com>

It might be that since Media cannot produce standalone stacks (??)
that opening one you have been working on in Media retains some
limitations even in an environment like studio. I certainly haven't
seen any issues like this in Studio (I do not have Media on the Mac).

Neal

On 9/18/07, Jim Hamlyn <jim at jimhamlyn.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Thanks for your replies. I think what I?ve been doing wrong is this: Firstly
> I tried to open a stack which I made in Rev Media. This opened fine and I
> could browse it fine too (no script errors etc). However, when I tried to
> save it as a standalone it wouldn?t open. I then started trying to paste
> objects from the stack made in Revolution Media and this was ok for about 10
> objects but stopped working for more. I gave up and just did it all again
> from scratch which works fine. Seems like there must be some kind of block
> to stop more complex stacks being imported and saved as standalones (fair
> enough!).
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Sep 18 18:52:10 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:52:10 -0700
Subject: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcpkqs$t1n$1@sea.gmane.org>

Andre-

Congratulations! This is a welcome addition to the externals community. I 
knew we were gonna be in trouble when you started learning to program in 
C... <g>

In my role of nit-picking, though, I should point out that you're setting 
r_err to True in the case of any error. When a True value is returned to the 
engine, ALL script processing stops immediately. You may have intended this 
drastic consequence, but it's probably better form here to return False on 
error and do error handling at the Transcript level by checking the "result" 
for empty after calls to the external.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Sep 18 19:04:57 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:04:57 -0700
Subject: Vista problem with Capture
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210709181417k45e4f79fsa280f1c27a419413@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C315A7A9.2F1C4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I'm using  Rev 2.8.1 and trying to capture the screen, and I keep
> getting a black rectangle. I've had many users of ButtonGadget report
> the same thing-- but funny thing is I can't get it to reproduce on my
> Vista machine at home.

Is it a brand new machine with Vista installed, or did you upgrade the
system?  Just a shot in the dark, but if it's a new system (actually, maybe
even for an upgraded machine) you might check to see if some new video
drivers may be available for the graphics card, or perhaps there's a Windows
update (unlikely I know).  Otherwise, I myself haven't tested a lot on Vista
lately.

Let us know if you find out anything.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From tkuypers at dmp-int.com  Tue Sep 18 19:11:34 2007
From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:11:34 +0200
Subject: custom "Type-ahead" function
Message-ID: <E71C31B2-DC7F-4B6E-949A-2A2771D7B500@dmp-int.com>

Hi gang,

A while ago I saw a RR stack wich allows me to filter a field with  
values of another field, the more you typed in, the more exact the  
filter worked...
This allows a user to start typing and get somekind of a "type-ahead".

The big problem is, that I can't seem to find that stack anymore :-(

Anyone any suggestions?



Warm regards,

Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 21:34:23 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:34:23 +1000
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709170638x644e9bbbl62f470819ae492c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab0ff0658ed7a74b7ad0f7aa1fb854cf@mac.com>
	<f99b52860709170451g5836e91al7bb3af595c160ab3@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10709170638x644e9bbbl62f470819ae492c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709181834l5df85e0lfa98db7a5f4a3afb@mail.gmail.com>

> As for writting a tutorial, I just followed Mark tutorial on the newsletter,
> the external he builds does much more than libKiosk. I'll Thanks Mark
> forever for finally making me understand how to build externals.
>

:-( Mark's tutorial doesn't work for me. I've tried several times, the
last time copying & pasting everything so I could be sure that I had
followed his instructions to the letter. I have XCode 2.4.1 - I wonder
is there something different in it that stops this working. I only
have the 10.4 universal SDK so I have to build for x86 even though I
am using a PPC.

Anyway, I build the first example and when I try to use the external
function in the stack, I just get "error in function handler". Any
ideas Andre?

Sarah


From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Sep 18 22:57:48 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:57:48 -0300
Subject: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <fcpkqs$t1n$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<fcpkqs$t1n$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709181957v5c4a6602g62770c2700faeee2@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,
thanks for the tip, I didn't knew that! :-)

I've fixed the external and updated both the bundle and the source files on
the net.

Now... whats the next  external I will build...

Andre

On 9/18/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
> Andre-
>
> Congratulations! This is a welcome addition to the externals community. I
> knew we were gonna be in trouble when you started learning to program in
> C... <g>
>
> In my role of nit-picking, though, I should point out that you're setting
> r_err to True in the case of any error. When a True value is returned to
> the
> engine, ALL script processing stops immediately. You may have intended
> this
> drastic consequence, but it's probably better form here to return False on
> error and do error handling at the Transcript level by checking the
> "result"
> for empty after calls to the external.
>
> --
> Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Sep 18 23:35:28 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:35:28 -0500
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709182035l10dc044eq9ba43cd9e61ea49d@mail.gmail.com>

Chris tracked it down and it turns out that Rev's import snapshot does
not work with Aero on Vista. So if a program uses import or export
snapshot, it won't work. It also appears other things don't work with
Aero either. BTW, Aero is the new GUI for Vista which has drop shadows
and transparent windows and titlebars.

Aero can be turned off in Vista by right-clicking the desktop and
selecting Personalize, then clicking on the 'Windows Color and
Appearance' link, then clicking the link, 'Open classic appearance
properties for more options', and then choosing a color scheme other
than Windows Aero.

Hope this becomes a priority fix for 2.9.


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Sep 18 23:54:39 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:54:39 -0500
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210709182035l10dc044eq9ba43cd9e61ea49d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210709182035l10dc044eq9ba43cd9e61ea49d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709182054w3b26210ci3b7b957c85c6976a@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out the import/export snapshot is the only problem I find. I
thought there were some other issues with masks but on second
appearance, things seem to look fine.

On 9/18/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> It also appears other things don't work with
> Aero either.


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Sep 19 00:05:58 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:05:58 -0700
Subject: custom "Type-ahead" function
In-Reply-To: <E71C31B2-DC7F-4B6E-949A-2A2771D7B500@dmp-int.com>
References: <E71C31B2-DC7F-4B6E-949A-2A2771D7B500@dmp-int.com>
Message-ID: <2F34F656-EF23-4A10-BBD2-17DBB02FCACC@cruzio.com>

Could this be what you saw?
Mark
_____

 From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Mar  1 10:46:13 2006

I use this to progressively auto-fill from a defined list...

Script  for Field or Combo-button...

on keyup k
put word 2 of the  selectedChunk into temp
put the num of words of char 1 to temp of me  into w
put lineoffset(CR& word w of me, CR& fld "wordList")  into n
get line n of fld "wordList"
if it <>"" then  put it into word w of me
-- Select current word offset
put  the num of chars of word 1 to w of me into w
select char (temp) to w  of me
end keyup
________

On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> A while ago I saw a RR stack wich allows me to filter a field with  
> values of another field, the more you typed in, the more exact the  
> filter worked...
> This allows a user to start typing and get somekind of a "type-ahead".
>
> The big problem is, that I can't seem to find that stack anymore :-(
>
> Anyone any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ton Kuypers
> Digital Media Partners bvba
> Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
> Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
> http://www.dmp-int.com
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>

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- Yogi Berra




From tkuypers at dmp-int.com  Wed Sep 19 03:14:48 2007
From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:14:48 +0200
Subject: custom "Type-ahead" function
In-Reply-To: <2F34F656-EF23-4A10-BBD2-17DBB02FCACC@cruzio.com>
References: <E71C31B2-DC7F-4B6E-949A-2A2771D7B500@dmp-int.com>
	<2F34F656-EF23-4A10-BBD2-17DBB02FCACC@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <1AA78486-35CF-40C1-BDA4-CAB9C8BC2262@dmp-int.com>

Mark,

thats EXACTLY what I ment :-)
Thanks!

Warm regards,

Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com



On 19-sep-07, at 06:05, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Could this be what you saw?
> Mark
> _____
>
> From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Mar  1 10:46:13 2006
>
> I use this to progressively auto-fill from a defined list...
>
> Script  for Field or Combo-button...
>
> on keyup k
> put word 2 of the  selectedChunk into temp
> put the num of words of char 1 to temp of me  into w
> put lineoffset(CR& word w of me, CR& fld "wordList")  into n
> get line n of fld "wordList"
> if it <>"" then  put it into word w of me
> -- Select current word offset
> put  the num of chars of word 1 to w of me into w
> select char (temp) to w  of me
> end keyup
> ________
>
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote:
>
>> Hi gang,
>>
>> A while ago I saw a RR stack wich allows me to filter a field with  
>> values of another field, the more you typed in, the more exact the  
>> filter worked...
>> This allows a user to start typing and get somekind of a "type- 
>> ahead".
>>
>> The big problem is, that I can't seem to find that stack anymore :-(
>>
>> Anyone any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ton Kuypers
>> Digital Media Partners bvba
>> Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
>> Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
>> http://www.dmp-int.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> The future ain't what it used to be.
> - Yogi Berra
>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Sep 19 04:32:32 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:32:32 +0100
Subject: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709181957v5c4a6602g62770c2700faeee2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<fcpkqs$t1n$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<7c87a2a10709181957v5c4a6602g62770c2700faeee2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26270F57-92F0-4A06-BE09-95E00501DA03@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Proper sound control comes to mind...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 19 Sep 2007, at 03:57, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Mark,
> thanks for the tip, I didn't knew that! :-)
>
> I've fixed the external and updated both the bundle and the source  
> files on
> the net.
>
> Now... whats the next  external I will build...
>
> Andre
>
> On 9/18/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>
>> Andre-
>>
>> Congratulations! This is a welcome addition to the externals  
>> community. I
>> knew we were gonna be in trouble when you started learning to  
>> program in
>> C... <g>
>>
>> In my role of nit-picking, though, I should point out that you're  
>> setting
>> r_err to True in the case of any error. When a True value is  
>> returned to
>> the
>> engine, ALL script processing stops immediately. You may have  
>> intended
>> this
>> drastic consequence, but it's probably better form here to return  
>> False on
>> error and do error handling at the Transcript level by checking the
>> "result"
>> for empty after calls to the external.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Sep 19 11:16:29 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:16:29 -0600
Subject: custom "Type-ahead" function
In-Reply-To: <E71C31B2-DC7F-4B6E-949A-2A2771D7B500@dmp-int.com>
References: <E71C31B2-DC7F-4B6E-949A-2A2771D7B500@dmp-int.com>
Message-ID: <87820000-5751-4934-B727-788125FB0A25@byu.edu>


On Sep 18, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> A while ago I saw a RR stack wich allows me to filter a field with  
> values of another field, the more you typed in, the more exact the  
> filter worked...
> This allows a user to start typing and get somekind of a "type-ahead".
>
> The big problem is, that I can't seem to find that stack anymore :-(
>
> Anyone any suggestions?

Ton,

A few weeks ago I shared a stack that lets you type ahead to find a  
name in a scrolling list. I've posted it now on RevOnline as Type  
Ahead Search, under user devin.

Coincidentally, I also noticed that in the revOnline stack itself  
there is a nifty type-to-filter feature that might do just what you  
want. I was able to access its scripts by opening Revolution Online  
from the Development menu, then typing into the message box:
   toplevel stack "revonlineViewer 1"
Then
   edit the script of cd "rvcUsers"

Look at the rawKeyDown and updateUsersDisplay handlers.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 19 11:59:33 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:59:33 -0700
Subject: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com><fcpkqs$t1n$1@sea.gmane.org><7c87a2a10709181957v5c4a6602g62770c2700faeee2@mail.gmail.com>
	<26270F57-92F0-4A06-BE09-95E00501DA03@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <fcrh17$e57$1@sea.gmane.org>

Luis-

> Proper sound control comes to mind...

...actually, it does. Some time ago I started down the road of building a 
rev external interface to Audio Units with the goal of having some plugin 
widget things, but I never followed up on it after getting the initial stuff 
working...

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Wed Sep 19 12:15:23 2007
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:15:23 -0300
Subject: Print All Cards
In-Reply-To: <fcrh17$e57$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <C316D16B.11A28%jim@oyfconsulting.com>

Hi Folks... Anybody have a code snippet that will print multiple cards on a
page?  Jim


Jim Carwardine,
President & CEO
OYF Consulting
Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
Fx. 902.823-2139
<http://www.OYFConsulting.com>

StrategicDoing: Execution depends on employees.
-- 





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Sep 19 13:27:31 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:27:31 -0600
Subject: Print All Cards
In-Reply-To: <C316D16B.11A28%jim@oyfconsulting.com>
References: <C316D16B.11A28%jim@oyfconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3AEAF6F1-F225-4995-9C50-6E1633564FE9@byu.edu>


On Sep 19, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Hi Folks... Anybody have a code snippet that will print multiple  
> cards on a
> page?  Jim

Jim,

This handler will print all the cards in the stack, four to a page:

  on mouseUp
	 set the printRotated to true
	 open printing with dialog
	 if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
	 set the printScale to .4
	 set the printMargins to 36,36,36,36 --1/2 inch margins
	 set the printGutters to 18,18 --1/4 inch gutters
	 repeat with i = 1 to number of cards
	   print card i
	 end repeat
	 close printing -- sends job to printer
   end mouseUp

You can play with the property settings to get just the look you want.

HTH
Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Sep 19 14:00:42 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:00:42 EDT
Subject: custom "Type-ahead" function
Message-ID: <d3c.129dbe72.3422bdca@aol.com>

I do so like being able to help without actually having to do anything! I  
also wrote a google-filter someplace (as in using + and - to force includes and  
excludes). Must try and track that one down. It should be in the  Scrapbook.

/H
Hugh Senior
FLCo
Home of The Scripter's Scrapbook



On 19 Sept, Ton Kuypers  wrote:
 
Mark,

thats EXACTLY what I ment :-)
Thanks!

Warm  regards,

Ton Kuypers


On 19-sep-07, at 06:05, Mark Swindell  wrote:

> Could this be what you saw?
> Mark
>  _____
>
> From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Mar  1  10:46:13 2006
>
> I use this to progressively auto-fill from a  defined list...
>
> Script  for Field or  Combo-button...
>
> on keyup k
> put word 2 of the   selectedChunk into temp
> put the num of words of char 1 to temp of  me  into w
> put lineoffset(CR& word w of me, CR& fld  "wordList")  into n
> get line n of fld "wordList"
> if it  <>"" then  put it into word w of me
> -- Select current word  offset
> put  the num of chars of word 1 to w of me into w
>  select char (temp) to w  of me
> end keyup
>  ________
>
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Ton Kuypers  wrote:
>
>> Hi gang,
>>
>> A while ago I saw a  RR stack wich allows me to filter a field with  
>> values of  another field, the more you typed in, the more exact the  
>>  filter worked...
>> This allows a user to start typing and get somekind  of a "type- 
>> ahead".
>>
>> The big problem is,  that I can't seem to find that stack anymore :-(
>>
>> Anyone  any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm  regards,
>>
>> Ton Kuypers
 



   


From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Wed Sep 19 14:59:14 2007
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:59:14 -0300
Subject: Print All Cards
In-Reply-To: <3AEAF6F1-F225-4995-9C50-6E1633564FE9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C316F7D2.11A46%jim@oyfconsulting.com>

Thanks, Devin... Jim


on 9/19/07 2:27 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> 
> On Sep 19, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks... Anybody have a code snippet that will print multiple
>> cards on a
>> page?  Jim
> 
> Jim,
> 
> This handler will print all the cards in the stack, four to a page:
> 
>   on mouseUp
> set the printRotated to true
> open printing with dialog
> if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
> set the printScale to .4
> set the printMargins to 36,36,36,36 --1/2 inch margins
> set the printGutters to 18,18 --1/4 inch gutters
> repeat with i = 1 to number of cards
>   print card i
> end repeat
> close printing -- sends job to printer
>    end mouseUp
> 
> You can play with the property settings to get just the look you want.
> 
> HTH
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 19 17:06:23 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:06:23 -0700
Subject: Print All Cards
References: <C316D16B.11A28%jim@oyfconsulting.com>
	<3AEAF6F1-F225-4995-9C50-6E1633564FE9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <fcs30h$hgq$1@sea.gmane.org>

Devin-

My thanks as well. I can put that to use right away.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Sep 19 17:55:03 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:55:03 -0500
Subject: supported audio formats in the play command.
Message-ID: <46F19AB7.9020107@siboneylg.com>

What audio formats does the play command support?  Evidently it doesn't 
support mp3. 

"play soundFilename" plays a lot more quickly than "set the filename of 
player "x" to soundFilename; start player "x"'  I was looking at 
replacing my players with the play command, but it appears that I won't 
be able to without changing the file format.

-- 
Peter T. Evensen
Juice Plus+ Independent Distributor
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Sep 19 18:04:03 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:04:03 -0700
Subject: supported audio formats in the play command.
In-Reply-To: <46F19AB7.9020107@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <C316EAE3.2F392%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> What audio formats does the play command support?  Evidently it doesn't
> support mp3. 

For audioClips, WAV and AU are good choices.  MP3 is only supported by the
player object.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From tkuypers at dmp-int.com  Wed Sep 19 18:33:02 2007
From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:33:02 +0200
Subject: UnZip application not working?
Message-ID: <61B5F8EB-5925-43AE-9856-B4EE59D93752@dmp-int.com>

Is this a bug or am I missing something?

I use the unzip command in Revolution Enterprise 2.8.1 to unzip a  
"zipped" application on OS-X.

After unzipping, the package content is identical to the original,  
the size is the same, but I can't open the unzipped application... It  
opens and closes immediately again.

Do I need to "set" something to make an application work again?


Warm regards,

Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 18:54:14 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:54:14 +1000
Subject: UnZip application not working?
In-Reply-To: <61B5F8EB-5925-43AE-9856-B4EE59D93752@dmp-int.com>
References: <61B5F8EB-5925-43AE-9856-B4EE59D93752@dmp-int.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709191554h35bec6d9xdc1a91bc419f0908@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/20/07, Ton Kuypers <tkuypers at dmp-int.com> wrote:
> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>
> I use the unzip command in Revolution Enterprise 2.8.1 to unzip a
> "zipped" application on OS-X.
>
> After unzipping, the package content is identical to the original,
> the size is the same, but I can't open the unzipped application... It
> opens and closes immediately again.
>
> Do I need to "set" something to make an application work again?

It sounds like a permissions problem. You might be better with an
application bundle to use Finder to open the zip file.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Sep 19 23:47:56 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:47:56 -0700
Subject: ANN: LibKiosk External (was Re: Kiosk Question - Lock User In)
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860709181834l5df85e0lfa98db7a5f4a3afb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab0ff0658ed7a74b7ad0f7aa1fb854cf@mac.com>
	<f99b52860709170451g5836e91al7bb3af595c160ab3@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c87a2a10709170638x644e9bbbl62f470819ae492c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860709181834l5df85e0lfa98db7a5f4a3afb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761043056756.20070919204756@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Tuesday, September 18, 2007, 6:34:23 PM, you wrote:

> Anyway, I build the first example and when I try to use the external
> function in the stack, I just get "error in function handler". Any
> ideas Andre?

That error sounds like your stack can't find the external lib
properly. What happens when you type "put the externalFunctions of
this stack"?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu Sep 20 02:07:38 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:07:38 -0700
Subject: Can't trap Quit
In-Reply-To: <20070918124801289977.d702f224@sonsothunder.com>
References: <7fc99432a48ff70f7c9ccab62050f46f@prismpole.com>
	<20070918124801289977.d702f224@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C5341DC7-4BA3-4556-8019-6669FEBB40F2@mac.com>

Arrrg!

So if I put a button on the card and click it after the stack just  
closed with this script:
on mouseUp
   put the defaultStack into vTempStack
   set the defaultStack to vTempStack
end mouseUp

It works.

However, that would require a user to click on it. I put it into the  
following handler which is called by both the closeStackRequest and  
shutdownRequest and it doesn't work.

on preCloseStack
   if the uDirty of stack the uPathToWallet of this stack then --  
vDirty 1 = needs save
     put the defaultStack into vTempStack
     answer "Save the changes?" with "No" or "Yes"
     if it is "Yes" then
       put the uPathToWallet of this stack into pathToWallet
       set the uRect of stack the uPathToWallet of me to the rect of me
       tempSaveStack -- temporary fix for save to thumbdrive bug in  
Rev 2.8.
     else
       set the defaultStack to vTempStack
     end if
   end if
end preCloseStack

Bill Vlahos

On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:58:53 -0400, Michael Binder wrote:
>
>> I think bug 5362 = 4994.  There is a workaround.  After each
>> Answer Dialog, just reset the defaultstack.
>
> Yup, that was it... thanks! Bill you now know what to do...
>
> :-)
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From heather at runrev.com  Thu Sep 20 04:45:10 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:45:10 +0100
Subject: [ANN] New script editor GLX2 released
Message-ID: <1C802B48-6AA5-44E3-BFA5-0B85C03D972F@runrev.com>

Dear list folks,

In case any of you haven't heard, Daniels & Mara have just released a  
new Script Editor for Revolution.

GLX2 is a brand new script editor that integrates seamlessly with  
Revolution
2.8.1.  The all new workflow improves productivity by making it  
easier to
navigate through complex code.  An enhanced debugger enables  
developers to
find and eliminate problems fast.  And the work-in-progress feature  
helps
find your place when you come back to a project later to make changes.

GLX2 includes the following features:

- Tabbed browsing. Edit up to ten objects in one window.
- Clairvoyance. Seamless auto-completion of tokens and handler names.
- Hyperlinks. All calls to handlers are automatically converted to  
clickable
links leading to the correct handler.
- Bread crumbs. Accumulate as you work, leaving a trail of history.
- No click inspection. Place your mouse over any object and inspect its
script or properties without clicking?even in browse mode.
- Script snapshot. Takes a snapshot of variables as your code runs,  
making
it quicker to debug.

As a special introductory offer a copy of GLX2 will be included free  
with
every new purchase or update to Revolution Studio or Enterprise  
between now
and the end of October.  GLX2 is also available separately through the
Runtime Revolution RevSelect store for $99.

For more information visit the GLX web site at:

http://daniels-mara.com/GLX/

You're going to love this script editor, we already do.

Warm Regards,

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





From runr at prismpole.com  Thu Sep 20 07:57:58 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:57:58 -0400
Subject: Can't trap Quit
Message-ID: <c438189539e73662142f37e87b3b1a71@prismpole.com>

> However, that would require a user to click on it. I put it into the
> following handler which is called by both the closeStackRequest and
> shutdownRequest and it doesn't work.

Hi Bill,
I think you need to reset the defaultstack after each answer dialog:

answer "Save the changes?" with "No" or "Yes"
set the defaultStack to vTempStack
      if it is "Yes" then.......

      end if

hth, Michael Binder



From arietext at mac.com  Thu Sep 20 08:23:36 2007
From: arietext at mac.com (Arie van der Ent)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:23:36 +0200
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
In-Reply-To: <6DD49FB6-C3EF-4689-AAAD-CCB3E9AFD646@mac.com>
References: <46EC3041.80509@fourthworld.com>
	<6DD49FB6-C3EF-4689-AAAD-CCB3E9AFD646@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F4788EAD-03B0-470E-90E4-DBE83E139869@mac.com>

Problem solved. The error was caused by the stack 'altCursorLib'. I   
removed it from the application and everything runs smooth.

Regards,

Arie van der Ent

arie's koppieshop - the Netherlands

Op 16-sep-2007, om 8:48 heeft Arie van der Ent het volgende geschreven:

> Richard,
>
> It  is not the framework ? EmpDB ? that's  causes the trouble,  it  
> 's the logic I built in some of my own substacks.  I am working on  
> OSX 10.4.10 also and it works fine. Errors  occur in the Windows  
> standalone. I think Ihave  to rebuild  the whole thing and test it  
> part by part.
>
> Arie van der Ent
>
> Arie's  Koppieshop  - The Netherlands
>
> Op 15-sep-2007, om 21:19 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Arie van der Ent wrote:
>>> It is the first standalone I made for Windows. The application  
>>> is  based on the Employee Database of Richard Gaskin. There is a  
>>> stack  that can be cloned en filled with data (first card). The  
>>> cloned stack  exists of 10 cards. After filling in the data the  
>>> first card the  results are shown on the next cards. On openCard  
>>> en closeCard there  is some action to get he results en built the  
>>> graphics. During this  action the screen is locked. The error  
>>> occurs during the navigating  between the cards.
>>
>> I'm unable to reproduce that here, but I would be interested in  
>> seeing the crash if I can.
>>
>> I tested on OS X 10.4.10  -- which OS are you using?
>>
>> I'm surprised the EmpDB has held up as well as it did.  Until this  
>> morning I haven't built a standalone from it in many years.  It  
>> has some bugs (e.g., "Go Previous Record" doesn't work) and no  
>> longer reflects how I would build such a critter, but for learning  
>> a few things while getting started it may not be horrible.
>>
>> If I could find the time I wouldn't mind updating that.  But  
>> client work takes a priority, and lately I've had plenty to keep  
>> me occupied.
>>
>> But it's good to know someone's using it.  Helps motivate me to  
>> get around to an update when I can....
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>  _______________________________________________________
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 20 08:24:31 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:24:31 +0200
Subject: Crash - error 0xc000005
In-Reply-To: <F4788EAD-03B0-470E-90E4-DBE83E139869@mac.com>
References: <46EC3041.80509@fourthworld.com>
	<6DD49FB6-C3EF-4689-AAAD-CCB3E9AFD646@mac.com>
	<F4788EAD-03B0-470E-90E4-DBE83E139869@mac.com>
Message-ID: <96AFED9F-1E43-4102-8C6B-885EA0D4BCF3@economy-x-talk.com>

Hoi Arie,

Aha! Maybe a corrupt image? Any externals connected to this stack?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

--

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier.  
http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com


Op 20-sep-2007, om 14:23 heeft Arie van der Ent het volgende geschreven:

> Problem solved. The error was caused by the stack 'altCursorLib'.  
> I  removed it from the application and everything runs smooth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Arie van der Ent



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 13:16:09 2007
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:16:09 +0200
Subject: QT: How do I subtract clocktimes?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there all,

I am subtracting some numbers and that is working ok with the following code:
put value (field "xt" - field "y") into fld "z"

What If I want to use clock times like: 07.30 (seven thirty in the morning) ?
When I subract '16.00 - 07.30' I get '8.7' and I want it to be '08.30'
So now Rev sees these numbers as decimal numbers.

What code need I put in there to make it work?


greetings,

William de Smet


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Sep 20 14:37:35 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:37:35 -0600
Subject: QT: How do I subtract clocktimes?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>


On Sep 20, 2007, at 11:16 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi there all,
>
> I am subtracting some numbers and that is working ok with the  
> following code:
> put value (field "xt" - field "y") into fld "z"
>
> What If I want to use clock times like: 07.30 (seven thirty in the  
> morning) ?
> When I subract '16.00 - 07.30' I get '8.7' and I want it to be '08.30'
> So now Rev sees these numbers as decimal numbers.
>
> What code need I put in there to make it work?

William,

The easiest way to do time and date math is to convert the times or  
dates to seconds, do the calculations, then convert them back to time  
or date. So to subtract hours (This is assuming time format for the  
system is set properly; U.S. would use colons instead of dots):

  put "16.00" into t1
  put "7.30" into t2
  convert t1 to seconds
  convert t2 to seconds
  put t1 - t2 into tDiff
  put tDiff div (60*60) into tDiffHours
  put tDiff mod (60*60) into tDiffMins
  put tDiffHours & "." & tDiffMins into tTimeDiff

This is off the top of my head, not tested. But this approach should  
work just fine.

Regards,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From wow at together.net  Thu Sep 20 15:09:20 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:09:20 -0400
Subject: Digital camcorders and Rev
In-Reply-To: <C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>

I am working on a Rev project which manipulates video from a digital  
camcorder. I am testing with one brand of camcorder, but would like  
to know if my assumptions hold true for most modern digital camcorders.

1. Do most store their video in .avi format or is some other format  
more prevalent?

2. When the typical camcorder is attached to a computer, is there any  
fairly standard way Rev can access the video files on it  
automatically through scripting without requiring the user to  
identify the camcorder (presumably by specifying its volume or  
perhaps using the answer file command)? For example, can I use the  
registry to quickly identify most camcorders without knowing the  
brand in advance?

3. Is most of the video on the camcorder already well compressed? If  
so, is there a standard codec being used these days?

Any help with these questions would be most appreciated.

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Thu Sep 20 15:12:02 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:12:02 +0200
Subject: send menupick
Message-ID: <9B615A19-5608-4E2A-9877-9372F6E5DF02@free.fr>

Hi,

i have a tab button with 3 buttons
and a menupick handler associated with.

from another mouseup handler ( outside of the tab menu ),
I use the command:
         send "menupick  infos, Log" to button "Tab Menu"

It works as expected , the menupick handler is fired,
but the buttons are not refreshed,
and the previous one is still hilighted.

What did I missed that it doesn't work ?

Thanks for any enlightment,

Regards,
Thierry



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Sep 20 15:45:55 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:45:55 +0200
Subject: send menupick
In-Reply-To: <9B615A19-5608-4E2A-9877-9372F6E5DF02@free.fr>
References: <9B615A19-5608-4E2A-9877-9372F6E5DF02@free.fr>
Message-ID: <D15404DB-17F0-4E1B-95C0-10B33AD37C04@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi :-)

Le 20 sept. 07 ? 21:12, Thierry a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> i have a tab button with 3 buttons
> and a menupick handler associated with.
>
> from another mouseup handler ( outside of the tab menu ),
> I use the command:
>         send "menupick  infos, Log" to button "Tab Menu"
>
> It works as expected , the menupick handler is fired,
> but the buttons are not refreshed,
> and the previous one is still hilighted.
>
> What did I missed that it doesn't work ?

set the menuHistory of btn "Tab Menu" to lineoffset("infos",btn "Tab  
Menu")
This will select the correct tab and the engine will send 'MenuPick'  
for you to the tabbed button.
See 'menuHistory' property in the docs.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Thu Sep 20 15:53:57 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:53:57 +0200
Subject: send menupick
In-Reply-To: <D15404DB-17F0-4E1B-95C0-10B33AD37C04@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <9B615A19-5608-4E2A-9877-9372F6E5DF02@free.fr>
	<D15404DB-17F0-4E1B-95C0-10B33AD37C04@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C7B17FB5-9158-4B5B-B621-2AD9925DD86F@free.fr>


Le 20 sept. 07 ? 21:45, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi :-)
>
> set the menuHistory of btn "Tab Menu" to lineoffset("infos",btn  
> "Tab Menu")
> This will select the correct tab and the engine will send  
> 'MenuPick' for you to the tabbed button.
> See 'menuHistory' property in the docs.
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.

Merci :-)
Thierry




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Sep 20 16:26:06 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:26:06 +0300
Subject: QT: How do I subtract clocktimes?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45BA4BDA-F710-4A49-A67E-8A375EFECFD4@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi William,

Devin answered already and although I haven't tested it, I believe  
his solution is the most straighforward one.

If you want a more general solution, you run into a bug, which causes  
Revolution to return times, which are one hour off. The bug is said  
to be fixed, as you can read here <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/ 
show_bug.cgi?id=2387> but date calculations are still far from  
straightforward in Revolution. Maybe we should re-open that bug report?

The following is an attempt to provide a function that calculates  
time differences regardless of platform. Unfortunately, it fails  
miserable on Windows, if time difference is less than an hour. Also,  
I am not sure what the effect of daytime savings is. In theory, it  
should work, but it doesn't. I didn't test this on Linux yet.

-- this script does not always work correctly!
function clockTimeDif theTime1,theTime2,theFormat
   set the useSystemDate to true
   if theFormat is empty then put "short time" into theFormat
   if not (theFormat contains "sec") then
     -- correct for rev bug
     put the time into myTime
     convert myTime to long internet time
     put char -2 to -1 of myTime into myZoneM
     put char -4 to -3 of myTime into myZoneH
     put myZoneM * 60 + myZoneH * 60^2 into myBug
     -- another bug in Windows? DST?
     if the platform is "Win32" then
       subtract 60^2 from myBug
     end if
   else put 0 into myBug
   -- convert and subtract
   convert theTime1 from short time to seconds
   convert theTime2 from short time to seconds
   put (theTime1 - theTime2 - myBug) into myDif
   -- convert
   do "convert myDif from seconds to" && theFormat
   -- done
   return myDif
end clockTimeDif


end clockTimeDif

Why can't we just convert time to seconds, do the calculation and  
convert back the result to a time format? Shouldn't this be simple?

Best regards,

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Op 20-sep-2007, om 20:16 heeft William de Smet het volgende geschreven:

> Hi there all,
>
> I am subtracting some numbers and that is working ok with the  
> following code:
> put value (field "xt" - field "y") into fld "z"
>
> What If I want to use clock times like: 07.30 (seven thirty in the  
> morning) ?
> When I subract '16.00 - 07.30' I get '8.7' and I want it to be '08.30'
> So now Rev sees these numbers as decimal numbers.
>
> What code need I put in there to make it work?
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William de Smet




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Sep 20 17:47:48 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:47:48 +0100
Subject: Digital camcorders and Rev
In-Reply-To: <B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>	<C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
	<B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>
Message-ID: <46F2EA84.4010605@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I've known of .mpg files being spat out, and some only after installing 
some third party software that converts the camera's format.
Some cameras will only mount with that third party software, others play 
nice and mount as an additional drive.
Some brands even differ in their output format depending on the camera 
media: HD, miniDVD, cards or whatever. I suppose the media might 
influence the output format due to compression versus storage speed.

Cheers,

Luis.


Richard Miller wrote:
> I am working on a Rev project which manipulates video from a digital 
> camcorder. I am testing with one brand of camcorder, but would like to 
> know if my assumptions hold true for most modern digital camcorders.
> 
> 1. Do most store their video in .avi format or is some other format more 
> prevalent?
> 
> 2. When the typical camcorder is attached to a computer, is there any 
> fairly standard way Rev can access the video files on it automatically 
> through scripting without requiring the user to identify the camcorder 
> (presumably by specifying its volume or perhaps using the answer file 
> command)? For example, can I use the registry to quickly identify most 
> camcorders without knowing the brand in advance?
> 
> 3. Is most of the video on the camcorder already well compressed? If so, 
> is there a standard codec being used these days?
> 
> Any help with these questions would be most appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Sep 20 18:07:54 2007
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:07:54 -0700
Subject: QT: How do I subtract clocktimes?
In-Reply-To: <C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <7513A637-3541-4EB9-AAFA-3C2D51F45CEF@qldlearning.com>

As an alternative "manual" method, you could also do the subtraction  
yourself. This is untested, but should work - and gives you total  
control over any conversion oddities. Just subtract the individual  
parts, and if you get a negative minutes portion, roll off another hour.

set the itemDelimiter to "."
put (item 1 of t1 - item 1 of t2) into item 1 of t3
put (item 2 of t1 - item 2 of t2) into item 2 of t3
if (item 2 of t3 < 0) then
   subtract 1 from item 1 of t3
   add 60 to item 2 of t3
end if


> William,
>
> The easiest way to do time and date math is to convert the times or  
> dates to seconds, do the calculations, then convert them back to  
> time or date. So to subtract hours (This is assuming time format  
> for the system is set properly; U.S. would use colons instead of  
> dots):
>
>  put "16.00" into t1
>  put "7.30" into t2
>  convert t1 to seconds
>  convert t2 to seconds
>  put t1 - t2 into tDiff
>  put tDiff div (60*60) into tDiffHours
>  put tDiff mod (60*60) into tDiffMins
>  put tDiffHours & "." & tDiffMins into tTimeDiff
>
> This is off the top of my head, not tested. But this approach  
> should work just fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Sep 20 18:15:42 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:15:42 -0700
Subject: Digital camcorders and Rev
In-Reply-To: <B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
	<B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>
Message-ID: <p06240801c318a099aca0@[192.168.1.115]>

The standard output from most decent camcorders is the DV format. 
Final Cut works native in that format. The formats that non-DV 
cameras output for the most part are of lesser quality. For instance, 
the DVD cameras use DVD style encodeing so they can be directly 
played on a DVD playere, however even though it is digital, it is 
nowhere the quality of DV.

I'd standardize on DV --- Quicktime Pro also handles it natively.

>I am working on a Rev project which manipulates video from a digital 
>camcorder. I am testing with one brand of camcorder, but would like 
>to know if my assumptions hold true for most modern digital 
>camcorders.
>
>1. Do most store their video in .avi format or is some other format 
>more prevalent?
>
>2. When the typical camcorder is attached to a computer, is there 
>any fairly standard way Rev can access the video files on it 
>automatically through scripting without requiring the user to 
>identify the camcorder (presumably by specifying its volume or 
>perhaps using the answer file command)? For example, can I use the 
>registry to quickly identify most camcorders without knowing the 
>brand in advance?
>
>3. Is most of the video on the camcorder already well compressed? If 
>so, is there a standard codec being used these days?
>
>Any help with these questions would be most appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>Richard Miller

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From wow at together.net  Thu Sep 20 23:17:41 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:17:41 -0400
Subject: Digital camcorders and Rev
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c318a099aca0@[192.168.1.115]>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
	<B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>
	<p06240801c318a099aca0@[192.168.1.115]>
Message-ID: <B15DBE43-B613-4F40-BA35-21BF5A6726B7@together.net>

Stephen,

Will these DV files coming right off the camcorder play in a Rev  
player object without being converted first?

Thanks.
Richard


On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> The standard output from most decent camcorders is the DV format.  
> Final Cut works native in that format. The formats that non-DV  
> cameras output for the most part are of lesser quality. For  
> instance, the DVD cameras use DVD style encodeing so they can be  
> directly played on a DVD playere, however even though it is  
> digital, it is nowhere the quality of DV.
>
> I'd standardize on DV --- Quicktime Pro also handles it natively.
>
>> I am working on a Rev project which manipulates video from a  
>> digital camcorder. I am testing with one brand of camcorder, but  
>> would like to know if my assumptions hold true for most modern  
>> digital camcorders.
>>
>> 1. Do most store their video in .avi format or is some other  
>> format more prevalent?
>>
>> 2. When the typical camcorder is attached to a computer, is there  
>> any fairly standard way Rev can access the video files on it  
>> automatically through scripting without requiring the user to  
>> identify the camcorder (presumably by specifying its volume or  
>> perhaps using the answer file command)? For example, can I use the  
>> registry to quickly identify most camcorders without knowing the  
>> brand in advance?
>>
>> 3. Is most of the video on the camcorder already well compressed?  
>> If so, is there a standard codec being used these days?
>>
>> Any help with these questions would be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
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>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Sep 21 03:35:36 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:35:36 +0200
Subject: Digital camcorders and Rev
In-Reply-To: <B15DBE43-B613-4F40-BA35-21BF5A6726B7@together.net>
References: <b016f13e0709201016l65774bbds1135e61536f126ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<C34E2E81-F357-46FC-9617-5C61FD98101B@byu.edu>
	<B8578284-3E57-49E2-B45C-A914219BF731@together.net>
	<p06240801c318a099aca0@[192.168.1.115]>
	<B15DBE43-B613-4F40-BA35-21BF5A6726B7@together.net>
Message-ID: <2D5CC650-9B5F-4060-8514-86F35147AF96@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Stephen,
>
> Will these DV files coming right off the camcorder play in a Rev  
> player object without being converted first?

Yes, they will.

> Thanks.
> Richard

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep 21 06:31:17 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:31:17 +0200
Subject: KeyDown or optionKeyDown - bug or not?
Message-ID: <7009A928-6199-4534-9FA0-D029C0A42127@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I sent this question to the list, two months ago. I have received two  
replies, one on favor of and one against re-opening the bug. Should I  
conclude that this issue is a non-issue? If so, I'll leave the bug  
closed.

Best,

Mark



Hello,

As you can read here...

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3301>

an incompatibility with HyperCard has been created. This  
incompatibility may cause some people who are converting HyperCard  
stacks to Revolution a lot of additional work, because they have to  
check and possibly change all field scripts that interact with  
keyDown and optionKeyDown messages. I would appreciate to know your  
opinion about this bug. My opinion is that the bug has not been  
fixed, as long as this incompatibility exists, but not everybody  
shares my opinion (naturally). Please reply on- or off-list.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep 21 06:33:56 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:33:56 +0200
Subject: Remove subset from array
In-Reply-To: <C3143810.276E1%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C3143810.276E1%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <B65DC6C5-C905-4A1C-A744-82BBDB9473A5@economy-x-talk.com>

Thank you for your reply, Dick. I think that "difference" would be a  
good name, although RunRev Ltd might always come up with something else.

Does anyone else have an opinion on this matter?

Best regards,

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Op 17-sep-2007, om 22:56 heeft Dick Kriesel het volgende geschreven:

> Without a new command or function, the repeat loop is essential, I  
> think.
>
> A quick check of Wikipedia suggests several candidate names:
>   relativeComplement
>   setTheoreticDifference
>   complement
>   setDifference
>   difference
>   setDiff
>   diff
>
> See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complement_%28set_theory%29>.
>
> Here's what I use:
>
> on set_differenceFromArrays @tArray,pArray,pCaseSensitive
>   local tKey
>   set the casesensitive to (pCaseSensitive is "true")
>   repeat for each key tKey in pArray
>     delete variable tArray[tKey]
>   end repeat
>   delete variable tArray[empty]
> end set_differenceFromArrays
>
> Command set_differenceFromLists uses a similar repeat loop.
>
> -- Dick



From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Fri Sep 21 06:49:59 2007
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:49:59 +0300
Subject: help with profiles
Message-ID: <542849AC-B43D-4D76-B370-F6E3AE89FD8A@mac.com>

I'm having a tough time working with property profiles and could use  
some advice.  Is there any way to prevent new profiles from being  
created for an object - behind my back, so to speak?  For example  
when I switch profiles, all that should happen is that the icons of  
about 150 objects get changed, in this case to the same icon in a  
different language. Also the menu items for about a dozen pop-up  
menus get switched to the other language.  What happens is that if a  
comletely unrelated  script calls for an object to move to a  
different location or be hidden,  the rect and/or visible becomes a  
new profile property, so when I switch profiles later, objects move  
or are hidden when they shouldn't be.  So far as a workaround I have  
created masks for objects that a script hides, so instead of hiding  
the object, the script shows the mask instead, in effect "hiding" it.  
This is fine with me. For objects that move, all I can do so far is  
tweek the interface a little, making the movement unnecessary. This  
changes my interface in small ways that really aren't my first  
choice. The only other thing I can think of is to add lines and if- 
thens to the script that switches the profiles, but this seems to  
defeat the purpose of profiles in the first place.

I already knew that working with property profiles can be a little  
bit tricky - the first time I tried to use profiles a couple of years  
ago as a newbie, I sort of created a nightmare for myself - I had  
added a single profile to quite a few objects while still designing  
the interface, so as the interface took shape and I moved things  
around, or hid them or changed sizes, etc, my objects suddenly had  
dozens of profiles each and the profile switch took forever and did  
dozens of things I didn't want it to. Back then I gave up on profiles.

I thought I had a handle on it now, but I guess I don't. For example  
besides the two things I already mentioned, I noticed that the switch  
took a little bit longer from Master to the second profile than from  
the second back to Master and when I looked at the profiles, most of  
the Master profiles suddenly had a layer profile - I guess I must  
have changed a layer somewhere, which of course changed the layer of  
every object in front of it. Now I am deleting the layer property  
from dozens of profiles.  What am I missing that could have prevented  
all of this? In preferences, the create profiles automatically is  
unchecked, and I honestly have no idea what the "don't save settings  
when switching profiles" even means.  Any tips?

Cheers,

Lars


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Sep 21 10:21:02 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:21:02 +0300
Subject: webcams and Rev
In-Reply-To: <542849AC-B43D-4D76-B370-F6E3AE89FD8A@mac.com>
References: <542849AC-B43D-4D76-B370-F6E3AE89FD8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46F3D34E.3080409@ekoinf.net>

...by the way, how do we access webcams through Revolution? Any hints?

Best wishes
Viktoras


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 21 10:53:11 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:53:11 -0700
Subject: Digital camcorders and Rev
Message-ID: <46F3DAD7.10403@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:
> Will these DV files coming right off the camcorder play in a Rev  
> player object without being converted first?

If the camera records to tape it's probably using DV format, and that 
plays well with QT.  It's uncompressed, though, or at least not very 
compressed, so you'll see a huge difference in size if your final output 
uses Sorensen, MPEG, or other good compressor.

But these days in increasing number of consumer camcorders record to 
flash memory, and few if any of those use the DV format because it's so 
large.  The format such cameras use varies depending on model.

For example, one of my favorite pieces of backpacking gear is my Aiptek 
MZDV, which has a decent still and video camera along with MP3 player 
and voice recorder, all in a very small, lightweight package that can be 
found for less than US$150.  Though listed as saving in MPEG-4 format, 
the MPEG-4 spec is really just a framework for codecs and not a specific 
codec itself.  The actual codec used turns out to be a fairly rare one 
which is supported only by Microsoft's WMV architecture.  Fortunately 
there's a utility for OS X which converts most WMVs 
(<http://www.easywma.com/wmv/>), including these, into MOVs for use on 
Macs (and in all fairness to Aiptek, their latest camcorders now record 
directly in a Mac-compatible MOV format).

Running the output from this camera through a converter hasn't been a 
problem for me, but if looking to support reads directly from the camera 
it's worth noting the range of formats digital memory-based cameras use. 
  Some will be easier to deal with than others.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Sep 21 11:15:40 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:15:40 +0100
Subject: webcams and Rev
In-Reply-To: <46F3D34E.3080409@ekoinf.net>
References: <542849AC-B43D-4D76-B370-F6E3AE89FD8A@mac.com>
	<46F3D34E.3080409@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <0DE3C955-F7B7-46DD-8AEA-7B791F3E4E85@azurevision.co.uk>

What models, which OS? If it's an iSight on OS X you just bring up  
the video capture stack and pick the right source.

Ian

On 21 Sep 2007, at 15:21, viktoras didziulis wrote:

> ...by the way, how do we access webcams through Revolution? Any hints?
>
> Best wishes
> Viktoras
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Sep 21 16:42:49 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:42:49 -1000
Subject: Add  Ask Answer Dialogs to your stack
Message-ID: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>

Sometimes one wants to add the Rev Ask and Answer dialogs to a stack so
that they are available when run from  a standalone splash engine stack

Of course best practice would be to include those in your splash engine
stack but if you (duh, workingtoo fast!) forgot to do that
(which I did in this case, and distributed it to a few others here)
you want a Q and D solution which will be to add
those to your main stack.

This is all happening in a peer-focus  group beta review process and
later I will fix it by including everything in
the engine splash stack... but for today, I just want to add those to
the "main" stack that is downloaded for review..

What is the easiest way?

TIA

Sivakatirswami


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Sep 21 16:50:12 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:50:12 -0500
Subject: Add  Ask Answer Dialogs to your stack
In-Reply-To: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
References: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <20070921155012513875.dcc9ff65@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:42:49 -1000, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> This is all happening in a peer-focus  group beta review process and
> later I will fix it by including everything in
> the engine splash stack... but for today, I just want to add those to
> the "main" stack that is downloaded for review..
> 
> What is the easiest way?

I haven't tried this myself, but try putting them in your main stack, 
and add a backScript or library that will trap the "answer" command...

??

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep 21 17:09:01 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:09:01 +0200
Subject: Add  Ask Answer Dialogs to your stack
In-Reply-To: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
References: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <838E743F-6A60-4C09-8356-3B262CDD6FC2@economy-x-talk.com>

Sivakatirswami

Put the answer and ask dialogs in the same folder as your main stack  
and use a script to read the dialogs into memory (go invisible...).  
They should be available now. This way, you don't need to remove the  
dialogs when you continue working in the IDE. Just like Ken, I never  
did this.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 21-sep-2007, om 22:42 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven:

> Sometimes one wants to add the Rev Ask and Answer dialogs to a  
> stack so
> that they are available when run from  a standalone splash engine  
> stack
>
> Of course best practice would be to include those in your splash  
> engine
> stack but if you (duh, workingtoo fast!) forgot to do that
> (which I did in this case, and distributed it to a few others here)
> you want a Q and D solution which will be to add
> those to your main stack.
>
> This is all happening in a peer-focus  group beta review process and
> later I will fix it by including everything in
> the engine splash stack... but for today, I just want to add those to
> the "main" stack that is downloaded for review..
>
> What is the easiest way?
>
> TIA
>
> Sivakatirswami




From tereza at califex.com  Fri Sep 21 18:41:46 2007
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:41:46 -0500
Subject: Add  Ask Answer Dialogs to your stack
In-Reply-To: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
References: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <8FC6B08A-773F-4E7E-A2D1-95E0E2E1CC8A@califex.com>


On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Sometimes one wants to add the Rev Ask and Answer dialogs to a  
> stack so
> that they are available when run from  a standalone splash engine  
> stack
...
>
> What is the easiest way?
>


1) Clone the Ask and Answer dialogs. They'll get new "copy of.." names.
2) Make them substacks of your splash stack without changing the names.
3) In your startup script in the splash stack, include statements like:

If not(there is a stack "Answer dialog") then
  set the name of stack "Copy of stack Answer dialog" to "Answer dialog"
end if

4) proceed as usual

t

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.




From rabit at dimensionB.de  Sat Sep 22 10:01:15 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:01:15 +0200
Subject: ANN: Just Another Kiosk External
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709162216j409a1ce8hdcc22d32715524f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E5B1F66-5DD2-4E45-8E22-07CB60FCCE05@dimensionB.de>

Thanks to Andre and his invaluable contributions to the
Rev community I finally started myself in writing externals,
though I am quite new to C programming.

As a first exercise I extended Andre's libkiosk external and built
sort of a kiosk control panel, which does exactly what the application,
demonstrating the SetSystemUIMode API, from Apple does.
Actually I adopted the interface of the "UsingSystemUIModePrebuilt"
application including the tooltips.

With this external you can set all available System UI Modes and all
appendant options. Insert the kioskPanel stack in your own stack
as a substack. Protect access to the panel with a password
and your are done.

I would like to share this one, so in case anybody is interested,
here is the download url:

http://www.softwaregestaltung.de/kiosk/kiosk.zip

Best wishes
Ralf


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Sep 22 14:52:15 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:52:15 -1000
Subject: Add  Ask Answer Dialogs to your stack
In-Reply-To: <8FC6B08A-773F-4E7E-A2D1-95E0E2E1CC8A@califex.com>
References: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
	<8FC6B08A-773F-4E7E-A2D1-95E0E2E1CC8A@califex.com>
Message-ID: <46F5645F.8050002@hindu.org>

Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
> On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>> Sometimes one wants to add the Rev Ask and Answer dialogs to a stack so
>> that they are available when run from  a standalone splash engine stack
> ...
>>
>> What is the easiest way?
>>
> 
> 
> 1) Clone the Ask and Answer dialogs. They'll get new "copy of.." names.
> 2) Make them substacks of your splash stack without changing the names.
> 3) In your startup script in the splash stack, include statements like:
> 
> If not(there is a stack "Answer dialog") then
>  set the name of stack "Copy of stack Answer dialog" to "Answer dialog"
> end if
> 
> 4) proceed as usual


Teresa.. this worked great... just a small "tweak"

After cloning, the copy is named

"Copy of Answer Dialog"  not "Copy of stack Answer Dialog"

Once I realized that, your script works great...

set the name of stack "Copy of Answer dialog" to "Answer dialog"

I actually added them to the "main" stack.. since my splash engine
has already been deployed... and it's the mainstack that is being
downloaded on demand and which I can dynamically update anytime

And, the RunRev logo is gone from those dialog stacks....
> t
> 

tks




From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Sep 22 17:38:44 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:38:44 -0300
Subject: ANN: MikMod External (mod and mod-like playing library for MacOS X)
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha my friends,
Now I bring to you folks an external that wraps around MikMod <
http://mikmod.raphnet.net/> library. This is aimed at game and multimedia
developers. Mod files are the best format to use in games since you can
change properties and loops inside the music at runtime. They are also very
small.

MikMod is released under LGPL, so I can't profit from this. To respect the
original license I am releasing both the bundle and it's source code.

I've built only for MacOS X because I use Carbon Threads to play the music
(actually to update the music player) in another thread so you can play
songs without any performance penalty (a must for game development).

This external was tricky to build because I had to include a framework
(mikmod framework for core audio) inside the external bundle...

Included in the download are an example stack and some sample songs from
modarchive.org

Page is here: http://andregarzia.com/revmikmod.html

I've exposed just some of the MikMod calls, just enough to get us all
started, the calls are:

RevMikModInit - initialize library.
RevMikModClose - close library.
RevMikModPlay <file> - plays the given file path.
RevMikModStop - stops playing.
RevMikModPause - pauses playing.
RevMikModResume - resumes playing.
RevMikModGetData(<key>) - returns some data based on the key given.
Keys:
songname:   name of the song
modtype:     string type of module loaded
comment:     module comments
  numchn:     number of module channels
numvoices:     max # voices used for full NNA playback
numpos:     number of positions in this song
numpat:     number of patterns in this song
numins:     number of instruments
numsmp:     number of samples
realchn:     real number of channels used
totalchn:   total number of channels used (incl NNAs)
initspeed:   initial song speed
inittempo:     initial song tempo
initvolume:     initial global volume (0 - 128)
  bpm;       current beats-per-minute speed
sngspd:     current song speed
volume:   song volume (0-128) (or user volume)
patpos:   current row number
sngpos:     current song position
sngtime:     current song time in 2^-10 seconds
RevMikModSetVolume <0-128> - sets the volume.
RevMikModSetTempo <1-32> - sets the tempo.
RevMikModSetSpeed <1-255> - sets the speed.

This is my second external... :-)

Cheers
andre


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Sep 22 18:16:55 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:16:55 -0700
Subject: ANN: MikMod External (mod and mod-like playing library for
	MacOS X)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7E184D1-2DD8-49EA-BAC7-051E187730E9@elementarysoftware.com>

Cool, Andre.
I have calculated that at this rate your 5th external should allow  
developers to interface directly with either the "Hubble Telescope"  
or the NASA's  "Phoenix Lander."
-Scott Morrow

On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Aloha my friends,
> Now I bring to you folks an external that wraps around MikMod <
> http://mikmod.raphnet.net/> library. This is aimed at game and  
> multimedia
> developers. Mod files are the best format to use in games since you  
> can
> change properties and loops inside the music at runtime. They are  
> also very
> small.
>
> < snip >
>
> This is my second external... :-)
>
> Cheers
> andre


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat Sep 22 20:07:56 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:07:56 -0700
Subject: Can't trap Quit
In-Reply-To: <c438189539e73662142f37e87b3b1a71@prismpole.com>
References: <c438189539e73662142f37e87b3b1a71@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <19661632-AA58-43D1-96E5-485E09FF60BB@mac.com>

Nope. This didn't fix it either. Same behavior.

Bill

On Sep 20, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Michael Binder wrote:

>> However, that would require a user to click on it. I put it into the
>> following handler which is called by both the closeStackRequest and
>> shutdownRequest and it doesn't work.
>
> Hi Bill,
> I think you need to reset the defaultstack after each answer dialog:
>
> answer "Save the changes?" with "No" or "Yes"
> set the defaultStack to vTempStack
>      if it is "Yes" then.......
>
>      end if
>
> hth, Michael Binder
>
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Sat Sep 22 20:23:49 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:23:49 +1000
Subject: ANN: MikMod External (mod and mod-like playing library for MacOS
 X)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46F5B215.4010904@harryscollar.com>

Hi Andre,

Good one!

Now, how about an external for libcurl ;-)
http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/

regards
alex

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Aloha my friends,

> This is my second external... :-)
>


From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 22 23:02:16 2007
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:02:16 -0500
Subject: Add  Ask Answer Dialogs to your stack
In-Reply-To: <46F5645F.8050002@hindu.org>
References: <46F42CC9.4020004@hindu.org>
	<8FC6B08A-773F-4E7E-A2D1-95E0E2E1CC8A@califex.com>
	<46F5645F.8050002@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <F2C86A40-6749-4D69-993F-C1E4FBF55C58@califex.com>


On Sep 22, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>>>
>>> What is the easiest way?
>>>
>> ...

>> If not(there is a stack "Answer dialog") then
>>  set the name of stack "Copy of stack Answer dialog" to "Answer  
>> dialog"
>> end if
>> 4) proceed as usual
>
>
> Tereza.. this worked great... just a small "tweak"
>
> After cloning, the copy is named
>
> "Copy of Answer Dialog"  not "Copy of stack Answer Dialog"
>
> Once I realized that, your script works great...


oops! That's what I get for typing without thinking!

you're welcome!


t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.




From tereza at califex.com  Sat Sep 22 23:28:42 2007
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:28:42 -0500
Subject: ANN: MikMod External (mod and mod-like playing library for
	MacOS X)
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC92CA74-5636-4A64-AC7D-33EF94A46A6A@califex.com>


On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Aloha my friends,
> Now I bring to you folks an external ...

Congratulations Andre!

External mania is catching! but readers who've never made an external  
may want to skip the rest of this post.

Before you go off the deep end, Andre, here's a description of a  
problem I encountered last spring ( I reported it to Mark Waddingham  
but I don't know if he fixed it.) and how to get around it. If you  
ever get the compiler error I mention (especially if you try to add  
objective-c code to your external), keep this fix in mind.

----

I had an xCode project made with  External Creator V1.rev; let's call  
it "xxx6" (it was the sixth "xxx" project I'd made). Because it was  
nearly finished, I decided to rename the project "xxx". I first  
renamed the "xxx6.c" file, and as is my practice, rebuilt the project  
after I made the change. Even though renaming the file was was the  
*only* change I made, the build failed!

The error was with a "361: error: parse error before string constant"  
at the macro EXTERNAL_BEGIN_DECLARATIONS("xxx").

I preprocessed the file and looked at the macro expansion?everything  
was fine! I fiddled with every applicable project setting to no  
avail. I even posted to the xCode-Users mailList... but in the  
interest of simplicity I left out the critical bit of info when I  
described the problem: the macro contained another macro invocation,  
EXTERNAL_REFERENCE_LIBRARY, which was being expanded to include a  
fateful and erroneous:

extern "C"

but why? This was a C file, not C++ (which alone uses extern "C"  
declarations)! I looked at external.h and I saw that  
EXTERNAL_REFERENCE_LIBRARY, that contains the "extern" declaration,  
was being expanded if _MACOS was true, without any #ifdef for  
__cplusplus. When I changed:

#ifdef _MACOS

to:

#if defined(_MACOSX) && defined(__cplusplus)

in External.h, the build ran to successful completion. The question  
then became, "How was I able *ever* to get successful C builds?" The  
answer is that External Creator V1.rev creates a source file whose  
filetype for xCode is "sourcecode.cpp.cpp" even though the filename  
is "xxx.c".

When I renamed my source file, xCode reset its "filetype" to  
"sourcecode.c.c", thereby triggering the error on extern "C", which  
is recognized only in C++.

So there are two things to fix:  the conditional in external.h, and  
the script for building an xCode C project in External Creator V1.rev.

I am so glad I solved the puzzle at last?I would surely have  
recognized the problem sooner if I hadn't been off the C/C++ wagon  
for the last 3 years...


tereza




From runr at prismpole.com  Sun Sep 23 05:51:12 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:51:12 -0400
Subject: Can't trap Quit
Message-ID: <97639931b70ae61e2ed2c2e115c81f73@prismpole.com>

> Nope. This didn't fix it either. Same behavior.
> Bill

Hi Bill,
well then, I think there must be something else going on.
I just reread your original post and see that you wrote:

> The only way I can catch a Quit is to put a on shutdownRequest
> handler in the stack. My application contains several instances of
> the stack and I check to see if the stack needs to be saved.

What do you mean by 'several instances of the stack' ?

--Michael Binder



From tkuypers at dmp-int.com  Sun Sep 23 12:19:13 2007
From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:19:13 +0200
Subject: RR & JavaScript Windows
Message-ID: <06F00A14-46B5-45E6-A224-A69C63338B97@dmp-int.com>

Hi there,

I've got a "small" challenge...

I've created a RR application which uses Javascript to communicate  
with Adobe InDesign CS2.
On the Mac I use Applescript to send the Javascript to InDesign and  
retrieve the result. Works beautifully!

Running in Windows I can use the same scripts and they execute  
perfectly, but how do I get the results back?
InDesign windows relies on a free program called ExtendScript Toolbox  
from Adobe to execute javascripts, but anone any idea on how to send  
back a result?
This would imply I need to send a value to RR (or my app) using  
Javascript and have RR capture this.

Any suggestion (besides writing a value to disk and reading it in  
into my app) are welcome!


Warm regards,

Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com





From irog at mac.com  Sun Sep 23 12:32:59 2007
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:32:59 -0700
Subject: ANN: Randomosity
Message-ID: <0CC9ABE8-9070-44AD-AA3A-A84EEA85787C@mac.com>

Hello List,

I've been having a lot of fun playing around with the Random  
function, and came up with a number of interesting effects and  
widgets in a stack called Randomosity available at revOnline under  
RogerG.

Cheers,
Roger


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep 23 12:41:30 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:41:30 +0200
Subject: ANN: Randomosity
In-Reply-To: <0CC9ABE8-9070-44AD-AA3A-A84EEA85787C@mac.com>
References: <0CC9ABE8-9070-44AD-AA3A-A84EEA85787C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A9B260A-937C-4440-BEAF-4FA275ADEA0E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Roger,

If you are interested in random numbers, you might want to check out  
RndLib, which you can download here: <http://economy-x-talk.com/ 
developers.html>

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 23-sep-2007, om 18:32 heeft Roger Guay het volgende geschreven:

> Hello List,
>
> I've been having a lot of fun playing around with the Random  
> function, and came up with a number of interesting effects and  
> widgets in a stack called Randomosity available at revOnline under  
> RogerG.
>
> Cheers,
> Roger




From paulgabel at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 16:15:21 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0700
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
Message-ID: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>

Hello everybody:

In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...

   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse wheel up
     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
   end rawKeyDown

... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first  
place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how would I,  
for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can trap  
for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.

Paul Gabel 

From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 16:24:39 2007
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:24:39 +0200
Subject: QT: How to send a local application path to a script button?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0709231324i59793bb3i51d3068edec454c2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I am trying to develop an application which only shows buttons with
links to programs on our school PC's and Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
The children are disabled and they don't need Windows at all.

What I do is this:
on mouseUp
  answer files "Which application?:"
  put it into tData
  put "on mouseUp"  & cr & "revGoURL" && "file://" & tData & cr & "end
mouseUp" into fld "path"
  set the script of btn "1" to field "path"
end mouseUp

The result almost works but I am missing "":
on mouseUp
  revGoURL file:///Applications/Burn.app
end mouseUp

I also know I better use "open process" but that is not permitted in
the way I am trying to handle this. In the end I also would like the
application name and icon to appear on the button. I work with RR
2.7.4 on Mac OS X 4.10.

Can anyone advise/help me with this one?

greetings,

William


-- 
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T 070 - 380 51 39
www.koetsveldschool.nl


From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Sep 23 16:48:44 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:48:44 +0200
Subject: QT: How to send a local application path to a script button?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0709231324i59793bb3i51d3068edec454c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0709231324i59793bb3i51d3068edec454c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FFC5D09-ACE3-4C0F-987C-0E1FBACED473@major-k.de>

Hi William,

> Hi there,
>
> I am trying to develop an application which only shows buttons with
> links to programs on our school PC's and Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
> The children are disabled and they don't need Windows at all.
>
> What I do is this:
> on mouseUp
>   answer files "Which application?:"
>   put it into tData
>  ## put "on mouseUp"  & cr & "revGoURL" && "file://" & tData & cr &  
> "end
> ## mouseUp" into fld "path"

put "on mouseUp"  & cr & "revGoURL" && QUOTE & "file://" & tData &  
QUOTE & cr & "end
mouseUp" into fld "path"

>   set the script of btn "1" to field "path"
> end mouseUp
>
> The result almost works but I am missing "":
> on mouseUp
>   revGoURL file:///Applications/Burn.app
> end mouseUp

But I would recommend to use:
...
launch QUOTE & tData & QUOTE
...

> I also know I better use "open process" but that is not permitted in
> the way I am trying to handle this. In the end I also would like the
> application name and icon to appear on the button. I work with RR
> 2.7.4 on Mac OS X 4.10.

You can easily extract the appname by:
...
set the itemdel to "/"
set the label of btn "Your button here" to item -1 of tData
...

But getting the app icon is not possible without extreme efforts with
the built-in capabilities of Rev, I'm afraid.

> Can anyone advise/help me with this one?

Hope that helps.

> greetings,
>
> William
>
>
> -- 
> ICT-co?rdinator
> Koetsveldschool
> Vrijstaathof 50
> 2572 HB Den Haag
> T 070 - 380 51 39
> www.koetsveldschool.nl

Groetjes

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Sep 23 16:53:28 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:53:28 +0200
Subject: QT: How to send a local application path to a script button?
In-Reply-To: <8FFC5D09-ACE3-4C0F-987C-0E1FBACED473@major-k.de>
References: <b016f13e0709231324i59793bb3i51d3068edec454c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8FFC5D09-ACE3-4C0F-987C-0E1FBACED473@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <729C9FBF-4694-410A-B759-543032DB2A85@major-k.de>

Hi William,

Important hint!

> ...
>>   set the script of btn "1" to field "path"
>> end mouseUp

NEVER name your object(s) with a single NUMBER!

That may work in most cases, but SURE will fail in the wrong moment!
The engine may think you mean -> button 1 (the FIRST button)

Add a (short) prefix to avoid trouble: button "b1" or something.


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Sep 23 17:08:08 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:08:08 -0500
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
In-Reply-To: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
References: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20070923160808260143.72e26543@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0700, Paul Gabel wrote:

> Hello everybody:
> 
> In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...
> 
>   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
>     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
>     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse wheel up
>     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
>   end rawKeyDown
> 
> ... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first 
> place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how would I, 
> for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can trap 
> for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.

You can always create a dummy field with  the script:

on rawKeyDown pKey
  put pKey
end rawKeyDown

Then type the comma in the field and you'll get your result.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From paulgabel at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 17:52:25 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:52:25 -0700
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
In-Reply-To: <20070923160808260143.72e26543@sonsothunder.com>
References: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
	<20070923160808260143.72e26543@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <1647A591-5F77-4ECC-8194-2327B3C5FFD4@comcast.net>

Hi Ken:

Thanks for your suggestion, but unfortunately it doesn't work. When I  
type anything in the field, nothing shows up. Any other thoughts?

Paul Gabel
---------------
On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0700, Paul Gabel wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody:
>>
>> In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...
>>
>>   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
>>     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
>>     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse  
>> wheel up
>>     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
>>   end rawKeyDown
>>
>> ... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first
>> place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how would I,
>> for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can trap
>> for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.
>
> You can always create a dummy field with  the script:
>
> on rawKeyDown pKey
>   put pKey
> end rawKeyDown
>
> Then type the comma in the field and you'll get your result.
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Sep 23 18:04:21 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:04:21 +0200
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
In-Reply-To: <1647A591-5F77-4ECC-8194-2327B3C5FFD4@comcast.net>
References: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
	<20070923160808260143.72e26543@sonsothunder.com>
	<1647A591-5F77-4ECC-8194-2327B3C5FFD4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ed89b42fb91f8c801ab98c32c139195d@mac.com>

As this is one of the cornerstones of many apps, it certainly should 
work. Note that nothing will happen in the field itself. Instead, a 
number should be appear in the message box. That will be the number you 
want.

For your convenience I made a step by step guide:

1. Make a new stack
2. Drag a field from the tools palette to your stack
3. Open the script of that field, and input the following lines:
     on rawKeyDown pKey
        put pKey
     end rawKeyDown
4. Change to the browse (or run) tool, by clicking the arrow in the 
tools palette
5. Click on the field with the script
6. Hit any key on your Keyboard (I guess you're interested in the comma)
7. In the message box, the number of the key appears (for comma: 44)

sorry if this seems overly pushy
Bjoernke

On 23 Sep 2007, at 23:52, Paul Gabel wrote:

> Hi Ken:
>
> Thanks for your suggestion, but unfortunately it doesn't work. When I 
> type anything in the field, nothing shows up. Any other thoughts?
>
> Paul Gabel
> ---------------
> On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0700, Paul Gabel wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everybody:
>>>
>>> In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...
>>>
>>>   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
>>>     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
>>>     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse wheel 
>>> up
>>>     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
>>>   end rawKeyDown
>>>
>>> ... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first
>>> place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how would I,
>>> for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can trap
>>> for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.
>>
>> You can always create a dummy field with  the script:
>>
>> on rawKeyDown pKey
>>   put pKey
>> end rawKeyDown
>>
>> Then type the comma in the field and you'll get your result.

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From paulgabel at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 18:33:41 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:41 -0700
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
In-Reply-To: <ed89b42fb91f8c801ab98c32c139195d@mac.com>
References: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
	<20070923160808260143.72e26543@sonsothunder.com>
	<1647A591-5F77-4ECC-8194-2327B3C5FFD4@comcast.net>
	<ed89b42fb91f8c801ab98c32c139195d@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AA1CC87A-60EA-4036-9A31-4C0DEACD27AC@comcast.net>

Hi Ken & Bjoernke:

My deepest apologies to both of you. After staring at the computer  
screen all day, I just lost focus (a common excuse, but a good one).  
I was staring at the field and forgot to look at the message box. I  
will store your suggestions so I never have to ask again. Thank you.
-----------------
On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> As this is one of the cornerstones of many apps, it certainly  
> should work. Note that nothing will happen in the field itself.  
> Instead, a number should be appear in the message box. That will be  
> the number you want.
>
> For your convenience I made a step by step guide:
>
> 1. Make a new stack
> 2. Drag a field from the tools palette to your stack
> 3. Open the script of that field, and input the following lines:
>     on rawKeyDown pKey
>        put pKey
>     end rawKeyDown
> 4. Change to the browse (or run) tool, by clicking the arrow in the  
> tools palette
> 5. Click on the field with the script
> 6. Hit any key on your Keyboard (I guess you're interested in the  
> comma)
> 7. In the message box, the number of the key appears (for comma: 44)
>
> sorry if this seems overly pushy
> Bjoernke
>
> On 23 Sep 2007, at 23:52, Paul Gabel wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken:
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, but unfortunately it doesn't work.  
>> When I type anything in the field, nothing shows up. Any other  
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Paul Gabel
>> ---------------
>> On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0700, Paul Gabel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everybody:
>>>>
>>>> In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...
>>>>
>>>>   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
>>>>     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel  
>>>> down
>>>>     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse  
>>>> wheel up
>>>>     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
>>>>   end rawKeyDown
>>>>
>>>> ... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first
>>>> place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how  
>>>> would I,
>>>> for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can  
>>>> trap
>>>> for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.
>>>
>>> You can always create a dummy field with  the script:
>>>
>>> on rawKeyDown pKey
>>>   put pKey
>>> end rawKeyDown
>>>
>>> Then type the comma in the field and you'll get your result.
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"
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From claude.lemmel at opus-species.com  Mon Sep 24 01:54:23 2007
From: claude.lemmel at opus-species.com (Claude Lemmel)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:54:23 +0200
Subject: cgi + mySQL "revdberr,invalid database type"
In-Reply-To: <20070919170005.79F4848A5B9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070919170005.79F4848A5B9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <op.ty49cxqe23gh4i@claude-9200>

I have on a linux web server a MySQL database created and managed from my
desktop Windows computer by a Revolution stack (Vista + revolution/windows
2.81) ; it works ok.

On the same web server i installed revolution/linux 2.51 as a cgi
application and it works ok for producing web pages.

Now i try to have my cgi scripts fetching data from my mySQL database.

If i try
put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into
databaseID
i am answered "revdberr,invalid database type"

For the param myURL, i tried the URL of my site, the IP of my site,
"localhost" and "", but no one works.

I am sure that the params myBase,myName,myPassword are OK because they
open succesfully the database from my desktop stack.

I guess that something is wrong in the installation of Revolution on the
linux server. i CHMODed all revolution files to 755

Was someone successfull in managing a mySQL database from revolution as
cgi ?

TIA

Claude
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Sep 24 05:22:06 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:22:06 +0200
Subject: cgi + mySQL "revdberr,invalid database type"
In-Reply-To: <op.ty49cxqe23gh4i@claude-9200>
References: <20070919170005.79F4848A5B9@mail.runrev.com>
	<op.ty49cxqe23gh4i@claude-9200>
Message-ID: <424502D0-C425-408D-97CF-9075EFA2E9E6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Claude,

You need to install the MySQL database driver for Revolution on your  
webserver. Without this driver, you get reported error. I am not sure  
whether you can actually install this driver to work with a CGI  
engine, but you could try.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 24-sep-2007, om 7:54 heeft Claude Lemmel het volgende geschreven:

> I have on a linux web server a MySQL database created and managed  
> from my
> desktop Windows computer by a Revolution stack (Vista + revolution/ 
> windows
> 2.81) ; it works ok.
>
> On the same web server i installed revolution/linux 2.51 as a cgi
> application and it works ok for producing web pages.
>
> Now i try to have my cgi scripts fetching data from my mySQL database.
>
> If i try
> put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into
> databaseID
> i am answered "revdberr,invalid database type"
>
> For the param myURL, i tried the URL of my site, the IP of my site,
> "localhost" and "", but no one works.
>
> I am sure that the params myBase,myName,myPassword are OK because they
> open succesfully the database from my desktop stack.
>
> I guess that something is wrong in the installation of Revolution  
> on the
> linux server. i CHMODed all revolution files to 755
>
> Was someone successfull in managing a mySQL database from  
> revolution as
> cgi ?
>
> TIA
>
> Claude
>



From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Mon Sep 24 06:33:51 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:33:51 +0300
Subject: Windows, driver file not found
In-Reply-To: <5BDB5702-5808-452B-85E9-9CAF91F5D3C4@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <5BDB5702-5808-452B-85E9-9CAF91F5D3C4@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <56603375.20070924133351@valentina-db.com>

Hi, chris.

Sorry for delay.

I'm was made it and it is works fine for me.
So, need more info. Let make it out.

> I've made a V4REV/Valentina/MAC OSX  standalaone and it works fine.
> The WINDOWS standalone, however, will not initiate valentina...when I
> make the standalone Runrev alerts " Windows, driver file not found".  
> It doesn't say which one but it appears to be Valentina.

What steps I'm was do:

First of all, after installing V4REV must be run install.rev. It is
copied v4rev.dll and dbvalentina2.dll into folders in the
Desktop/My Documents/My Revolution Enterprise/
It is need by Revolution. AFAIR when Revolution create a standalone app it
do search dll's here.

Next step: open in the Revolution  V4REV\Examples\Common\Database_CreateCloseOpen for
example.

In the "File - Standalone Application Settings..." I'm was set all
option which you described:

> [selected] Select inclusions for standalone...
> [checked] Ask dialog, Answer dialog, Cursors
> Script libraries: Database, Internet, Table, Valentina2
> Database support:, Valentina2

By the way. "Database support: Valentina2" is need only if you use the
revdb API.

Okay, next step is creating a standalone app:
Here is all steps are simple.
Pressed to "File - Save As Standalone Application...", select
destination folder and press ok.

In the selected folder Revolution was created folder with name
"Common_Database_CreateCloseOpen"

In it present Common_Database_CreateCloseOpen.exe and folder
"Externals"

In the "Externals" must be revdb.dll v4rev.dll and folder
"database_drivers" with dbvalentina2.dll.

Next step is which described at our wiki:
http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documentation:v4rev:manual:deployment:deployment

Do copy VComponents folder into place where your deployment executable
file is placed.

In this step I'm have self-sufficing application which I was copied
into another clean WinXP and it work fine here.

PS: If you use revdb please try out our last release 3.4

I hope this help.

-- 
Best regards,

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Sep 24 10:17:34 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:17:34 -0600
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
In-Reply-To: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
References: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <385BE027-D2A8-4C36-961D-619608353B68@byu.edu>

Paul,

On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Paul Gabel wrote:

> Hello everybody:
>
> In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...
>
>   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
>     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
>     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse  
> wheel up
>     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
>   end rawKeyDown
>
> ... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first  
> place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how would  
> I, for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can  
> trap for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.

This is a little late in the game, but you should check out Sarah  
Reichelt's handy utility, KeyCoder. It's on her web site at <http:// 
troz.net/Rev/misc/KeyCoder.rev.gz>. It was a big help to me on a  
project when I needed to get rawKey codes for various non-ASCII keys.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mikeythek at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 14:51:42 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:51:42 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>

If I
put "07/01/77" into thisCrap
put thisCrap is a date

I get false

put "07/01/1977" into thisCrap
put thisCrap is a date

I get false

Indeed there are no date operators that seem to work on thisCrap.
This is at least a little annoying as it means I have to manually
massage all the dates I extract from a file I'm working on.

Yes, I chose the name so we can have a good laugh about how there are
lot of things that don't work on thisCrap.


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon Sep 24 15:16:14 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:16:14 +0200
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>



Mikey,

I just made the test with Rev 2.5 on XP and in both cases I get true.

did you check the dateformat ?

JB

> If I
> put "07/01/77" into thisCrap
> put thisCrap is a date
>
> I get false
>
> put "07/01/1977" into thisCrap
> put thisCrap is a date
>
> I get false
>
> Indeed there are no date operators that seem to work on thisCrap.
> This is at least a little annoying as it means I have to manually
> massage all the dates I extract from a file I'm working on.
>
> Yes, I chose the name so we can have a good laugh about how there are
> lot of things that don't work on thisCrap.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 24 15:17:01 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:17:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
Message-ID: <180487.11816.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Key Detailer" is available under "Richmond" on
RevOnline!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 15:20:26 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:20:26 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709241220j67a62f4ds19926ae3fbabb53f@mail.gmail.com>

%#m/%#d/%y


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 15:21:03 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:21:03 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>

and I'm using 2.8.1 on XP/SP2


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Sep 24 15:51:41 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:51:41 -0400
Subject: cgi + mySQL "revdberr,invalid database type"
Message-ID: <ADD27937-CA36-4073-8BD9-39B8333BDC32@wehostmacs.com>

After installing the "dbmysql.so" file, make sure that your code uses  
the same letter cases as the filename..

dbmySQL.so
put revOpenDatabase("mySQL",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into
databaseID

dbMYsql.so
put revOpenDatabase("MYsql",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into
databaseID


The best thing to do is to store the file with all lowercase letters  
and use:
put revOpenDatabase("mysql",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into
databaseID


From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Mon Sep 24 17:12:32 2007
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:12:32 +0200
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>

did you set the useSystemDate to true?

depending on where you live

set the useSystemDate to true
put "07/01/77" into thisCrap
put thisCrap is a date

won't work.

Till

Am 24.09.2007 um 21:21 schrieb Mikey:

> and I'm using 2.8.1 on XP/SP2
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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Sep 24 19:06:53 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:06:53 +0100
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E22742EA-35A5-41D2-AC9C-3B9AA8205DD8@maseurope.net>

Just a thought,  but are you sure there are no 'non-printing' chars  
in amongst the dates?

Best,

Mark

On 24 Sep 2007, at 19:51, Mikey wrote:

> If I
> put "07/01/77" into thisCrap
> put thisCrap is a date
>
> I get false
>
> put "07/01/1977" into thisCrap
> put thisCrap is a date
>
> I get false
>
> Indeed there are no date operators that seem to work on thisCrap.
> This is at least a little annoying as it means I have to manually
> massage all the dates I extract from a file I'm working on.
>
> Yes, I chose the name so we can have a good laugh about how there are
> lot of things that don't work on thisCrap.
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Sep 24 19:13:21 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:13:21 -0700
Subject: ANN: MikMod External (mod and mod-like playing library forMacOS
	X)
References: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC92CA74-5636-4A64-AC7D-33EF94A46A6A@califex.com>
Message-ID: <fd9gaj$ddt$1@sea.gmane.org>

Tereza-

> I am so glad I solved the puzzle at last?I would surely have  recognized 
> the problem sooner if I hadn't been off the C/C++ wagon  for the last 3 
> years...

...maybe yes, maybe no. I try to avoid macros in programming whenever 
possible, exactly for reasons like this. They're easily prone to the law of 
unintended consequences. I'm not sure why Mark saw fit to write the 
external.h file in that manner, as I think there are better ways to get the 
desired result without having to resort to macros that invoke macros, but as 
always, there are many ways to get where you're going.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Sep 24 04:20:08 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:20:08 +0200
Subject: rawKeyDown and key codes
In-Reply-To: <1647A591-5F77-4ECC-8194-2327B3C5FFD4@comcast.net>
References: <4378EF53-8834-483B-8D8F-FF82072A6995@comcast.net>
	<20070923160808260143.72e26543@sonsothunder.com>
	<1647A591-5F77-4ECC-8194-2327B3C5FFD4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0767834-283A-4146-BB5A-B6CCC1154770@inria.fr>

Hi Paul,
Here (Mac 10.4.10 ; Rev 2.8.1)  the script from Ken is working well :  
for example, when typing the comma I get 44 (in the message box)

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?


Le 23 sept. 07 ? 23:52, Paul Gabel a ?crit :

> Hi Ken:
>
> Thanks for your suggestion, but unfortunately it doesn't work. When  
> I type anything in the field, nothing shows up. Any other thoughts?
>
> Paul Gabel
> ---------------
> On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:21 -0700, Paul Gabel wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everybody:
>>>
>>> In the Docs under rawKeyDown I find this sample script ...
>>>
>>>   on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
>>>     if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
>>>     else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse  
>>> wheel up
>>>     else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
>>>   end rawKeyDown
>>>
>>> ... but I can't figure out how to get theKeyNumber in the first
>>> place. I know it's just a rawKeyDown parameter here, but how  
>>> would I,
>>> for example, determine "theKeyNumber" for a comma so that I can trap
>>> for it? Is there a list some place? Thanks.
>>
>> You can always create a dummy field with  the script:
>>
>> on rawKeyDown pKey
>>   put pKey
>> end rawKeyDown
>>
>> Then type the comma in the field and you'll get your result.
>>
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From hughesmike2 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 25 02:44:39 2007
From: hughesmike2 at hotmail.com (Mike Hughes)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:44:39 +0000
Subject: Sortable Lists
Message-ID: <BAY107-F297B44573513AC1D54DDC3F3B70@phx.gbl>

I would like to create a very Mac-like list of items with rows and columns 
and have it sortable exactly like the Finder's "as List" view. So if you 
click on a column heading, it makes that heading aqua blue and sorts either 
descending or ascending on that column.

How do I create such a list in Revolution? I've noticed this type of 
interface is common in Cocoa apps (iTunes, Cog, etc.) I have the sorting 
code figured out, its more just the interface that has stumped me. Do I have 
to create the interface from scratch to resemble that style?

Many thanks,

Mike

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Sep 25 04:12:01 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:12:01 +0200
Subject: Sortable Lists
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F297B44573513AC1D54DDC3F3B70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F297B44573513AC1D54DDC3F3B70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86894CB3-A102-4B4F-A8E4-D6738AA1967D@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mike,

Rev does not provide this then you have to create it using images as  
buttons icons.
You need five images:
. Blue when selected.
. Blue on mouseDown on the selected column.
. Light gray on mouseDown on another column.
These images will be 16 or 32 pixels wide (very light) and you'll  
stretch them in Rev then lock them to make them wider than the wider  
column in your list.
. Two gray triangles.

Fortunately, this kind of list seems to be used in Leopard as it is  
now in Tiger:
http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/macosxleopard/0608wwdc/source/ 
mailrss.html
So your work will not be lost in a few weeks...

Have fun :-)

Le 25 sept. 07 ? 08:44, Mike Hughes a ?crit :

> I would like to create a very Mac-like list of items with rows and  
> columns and have it sortable exactly like the Finder's "as List"  
> view. So if you click on a column heading, it makes that heading  
> aqua blue and sorts either descending or ascending on that column.
>
> How do I create such a list in Revolution? I've noticed this type  
> of interface is common in Cocoa apps (iTunes, Cog, etc.) I have the  
> sorting code figured out, its more just the interface that has  
> stumped me. Do I have to create the interface from scratch to  
> resemble that style?

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 08:59:57 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:59:57 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>

Till:
No

I just fired up RR and did it in the message box.

Mark:
No.


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 09:13:21 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:13:21 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>

All,
I just did the following:
fire up RunRev
Open the message box
switch to multi-line

set the useSystemDate to false
put "04/25/68" into someDate
put someDate is a date

The result is false

I have also tried making someDate a global, just for the hell of it.


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 09:14:04 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:14:04 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709250614u52241642u6b8b4e3e6263fbb7@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, and it's 2.8.1-gm-3 that I'm running, and again, it's on Windows XP/SP2


From tereza at califex.com  Tue Sep 25 10:07:55 2007
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:07:55 -0500
Subject: ANN: MikMod External (mod and mod-like playing library forMacOS
	X)
In-Reply-To: <fd9gaj$ddt$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <7c87a2a10709221438g13912f43v33df4ce364bf1a67@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC92CA74-5636-4A64-AC7D-33EF94A46A6A@califex.com>
	<fd9gaj$ddt$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <297ADC69-B88D-4CCA-9D73-C087A8EAC1AE@califex.com>


On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> I try to avoid macros in programming whenever
> possible, exactly for reasons like this. They're easily prone to  
> the law of
> unintended consequences. I'm not sure why Mark saw fit to write the
> external.h file in that manner, as I think there are better ways to  
> get the
> desired result without having to resort to macros that invoke  
> macros, but as
> always, there are many ways to get where you're going.
>

I agree completely about the trip-up potential of macros, but the  
niftiness of macros is just too seductive. I can't resist. I confess  
I use them extensively to simplify my C code (for reading) while   
complexifying it (for debugging). I often wish for them in scripting  
situations?just to cut down on typing?but imagine the nightmare for  
newbies!

t

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.




From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Sep 25 11:10:07 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:10:07 +0100
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>

Mikey

On XP here I get false if the date is before 1/1/70.

So your original example (07/01/77) returns true here. Was that just  
poor example you chose. 04/25/68 returns false. (All return true on  
OS X. )

Looks like a bad bug. Can anyone else confirm?


Cheers
Dave


On 25 Sep 2007, at 14:13, Mikey wrote:

> All,
> I just did the following:
> fire up RunRev
> Open the message box
> switch to multi-line
>
> set the useSystemDate to false
> put "04/25/68" into someDate
> put someDate is a date
>
> The result is false
>
> I have also tried making someDate a global, just for the hell of it.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Sep 25 11:11:01 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:11:01 -0700
Subject: Sortable Lists
Message-ID: <46F92505.6010300@fourthworld.com>

Mike Hughes wrote:
> I would like to create a very Mac-like list of items with rows and columns 
> and have it sortable exactly like the Finder's "as List" view. So if you 
> click on a column heading, it makes that heading aqua blue and sorts either 
> descending or ascending on that column.
> 
> How do I create such a list in Revolution? I've noticed this type of 
> interface is common in Cocoa apps (iTunes, Cog, etc.) I have the sorting 
> code figured out, its more just the interface that has stumped me. Do I have 
> to create the interface from scratch to resemble that style?

It's a lot of work to make one.  A LOT of work.  I may be able to help 
save you some time:

I have a group control driven by a library that might do what you need. 
  The library comes with an Inspector that installs the group and lets 
you edit its properties.

Here's a screen shot:
<http://fourthworld.net/list2.jpg>

It still needs to be documented, but if there's enough interest I'd put 
in the time to productize it and make it available as a commercial 
add-on for a reasonable price (I'm thinking something on the order of ~$44).

To help me get a feel for the level of interest, any of you who might 
consider buying such a gadget please drop me a note at table at fourthworld.com

If you'd like to help test please let me know, and note the OS version 
and Rev version you're working with.  It would be helpful to get your 
feedback on the price (too high, too low, just right?) and to know a bit 
about the project you plan to use it in (I find real-world scenarios 
very motivating - I have one product in use on a UNICEF project and 
knowing that my work helps enable such projects keeps me fired up).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Sep 25 11:10:34 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:10:34 +0200
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CFCA71E-D772-4FEC-BCBC-CD2882687FBB@inria.fr>


Le 25 sept. 07 ? 15:13, Mikey a ?crit :

> All,
> I just did the following:
> fire up RunRev
> Open the message box
> switch to multi-line
>
> set the useSystemDate to false
> put "04/25/68" into someDate
> put someDate is a date
>
> The result is false
>
> I have also tried making someDate a global, just for the hell of it.
> _______________________________________________

Hi,
Here I get "true" (Mac OS X 10.4.10 ; Rev 2.8.1

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?


From mail at richard-hillen.de  Tue Sep 25 11:44:03 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:44:03 +0200
Subject: post a file
Message-ID: <7B834F83-B007-445E-8BEA-8E239BBD933A@richard-hillen.de>

Hello list,

I want to tansfer a local binary file fff.shp to url MyUrl by http-post.

Can you explain, how to post a file?

I think somewhat like  >post file fff.shp to URL MyUrl<

Is that really so simple?

Thankx
Richard.


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep 25 12:02:42 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:02:42 +0100
Subject: post a file
In-Reply-To: <7B834F83-B007-445E-8BEA-8E239BBD933A@richard-hillen.de>
References: <7B834F83-B007-445E-8BEA-8E239BBD933A@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <714DE24C-1954-4814-AC64-2A3BD9911F64@maseurope.net>

Richard, you can't (I'm pretty sure) post a file, you'll have to read  
the file and then post the data:

put URL ("binfile:" & fff.shp) into tData
post tData to URL someURL

However, you may need to UrlEncode the data for this to work, which  
I'd imagine the server your'e posting to would expect, so
post urlEncode(tData) to URL someURL

Best,

Mark


On 25 Sep 2007, at 16:44, R. Hillen wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I want to tansfer a local binary file fff.shp to url MyUrl by http- 
> post.
>
> Can you explain, how to post a file?
>
> I think somewhat like  >post file fff.shp to URL MyUrl<
>
> Is that really so simple?
>
> Thankx
> Richard.
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 13:03:01 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:03:01 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that was a poor choice of dates.  I substituted one date for
another to avoid using real data, as was the case with that date as
well.  I'm running an ODBC census extract for an insurance renewal,
for which I need to compute ages, and since it failed for the first
employee in the list (whose birthdate is actually in the 1940's), and
additional tests returned the same result I didn't think there would
be a threshold where there wouldn't be a problem.

Anyway, thanks for confirming the bug.  I'll revzilla it.

Here is one of those cases where not being able to intercept commands
in the inheritance path is a bad thing, because this would be one of
those things that would be easy to patch in the interim.


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 13:10:45 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:10:45 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>

Posted as bug 5432.  Please vote for it.


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Sep 25 13:30:44 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:30:44 +0200
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mickey,

Le 25 sept. 07 ? 19:10, Mikey a ?crit :

> put "07/01/77" into thisCrap
> put thisCrap is a date
> I get false
>
> put "07/01/1977" into thisCrap
> put thisCrap is a date
> I get false

> Posted as bug 5432.  Please vote for it.

Tested here with Rev 2.8.1 enterprise and XP/SP2 by putting the above  
in a button script and in the message box:
I get true: you have something else in YOUR rev.
In addition, you have got many answers that said that other people  
got true with the same test.
Please, try to check a lot before posting a bug: half of bugs in  
Bugzilla are misunderstandings and/or user specific ;-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 13:39:35 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:39:35 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>

Please read the last several posts on this topic, and try testing with
a date before 1970.

> Please, try to check a lot before posting a bug: half of bugs in
> Bugzilla are misunderstandings and/or user specific ;-)


From tracy at pacyber.com  Tue Sep 25 13:47:46 2007
From: tracy at pacyber.com (Tracy Riegle)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:47:46 -0500
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9F95498C-22C6-4AC6-A89D-DC53915CFD3A@pacyber.com>


Hi,

put "07/01/1977" into thisCrap
put thisCrap is a date

I get true on a Mac with Rev 2.8.0.


put "07/01/1827" into thisCrap
put thisCrap is a date

I still get true.


On Sep 25, 2007, at Tuesday, 2007/25/0912:30, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Mickey,
>
> Le 25 sept. 07 ? 19:10, Mikey a ?crit :
>
>> put "07/01/77" into thisCrap
>> put thisCrap is a date
>> I get false
>>
>> put "07/01/1977" into thisCrap
>> put thisCrap is a date
>> I get false
>
>> Posted as bug 5432.  Please vote for it.
>
> Tested here with Rev 2.8.1 enterprise and XP/SP2 by putting the  
> above in a button script and in the message box:
> I get true: you have something else in YOUR rev.
> In addition, you have got many answers that said that other people  
> got true with the same test.
> Please, try to check a lot before posting a bug: half of bugs in  
> Bugzilla are misunderstandings and/or user specific ;-)
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Sep 25 13:47:57 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:47:57 +0200
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9BA5EE08-21E0-493E-866B-93AC2FFDD9B4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mickey,

Sorry, I just reproduced what you wrote :-)
You provided: "o1/07/1970"

Now about dates prior to 1/1/1970, docs are clear:

Convert command:
Note:  The range of dates that the convert command can handle is  
limited by the operating system's date routines. In particular,  
Windows systems are limited to dates after 1/1/1970.
I do regret this but it seems documented...

Le 25 sept. 07 ? 19:39, Mikey a ?crit :

> Please read the last several posts on this topic, and try testing with
> a date before 1970.
>
>> Please, try to check a lot before posting a bug: half of bugs in
>> Bugzilla are misunderstandings and/or user specific ;-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Sep 25 13:47:31 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:47:31 -0700
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c31efa0877ff@[192.168.1.115]>

To be fair to Eric, you posted 1977  in your example.

>Please read the last several posts on this topic, and try testing with
>a date before 1970.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 13:59:51 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:59:51 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c31efa0877ff@192.168.1.115>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240803c31efa0877ff@192.168.1.115>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251059u35a85802g86bf4b3b8a7406af@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for pointing out that there's a note under "convert".  I didn't
look there.  I was looking in "is a " and under "date" for some
information.  I think Rev should make that particular caveat bold
print.

That's a really bizarre restriction, imho.  I've got five other
development tools on my desktop that don't have this problem.  I
wonder why Rev never worked around it.

Again, this is one of those cases where it would be nice to be able to
intercept commands in the message path and patch them.


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 25 14:01:24 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:01:24 -0700
Subject: post a file
In-Reply-To: <7B834F83-B007-445E-8BEA-8E239BBD933A@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <C31E9B04.494F8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 9/25/07 8:44 AM, "R. Hillen" <mail at richard-hillen.de> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> I want to tansfer a local binary file fff.shp to url MyUrl by http-post.
> 
> Can you explain, how to post a file?
> 
> I think somewhat like  >post file fff.shp to URL MyUrl<
> 
> Is that really so simple?
> 
This should work for you:

post URL ("binfile:" & fff.shp) to URL myUrl

However, the 'post' command is part of the Rev URL library, so the default
HTTP headers are used.  You may have to adjust them to achieve success.

See the docs for 'the headers', then custom headers, etc.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Sep 25 14:06:23 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:06:23 -0700
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
Message-ID: <p06240806c31efe9a8a30@[192.168.1.115]>

Eric, Doesn't Sarah's stack fill this need?

I haven't tested this, but it's a library that might work around the problem.
http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries/DateTime.rev.gz

useful other stuff there
http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.php


otherwise it might be reading time...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0879304960/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-6465170-0623361#reader-link

>Hi Mickey,
>
>Sorry, I just reproduced what you wrote :-)
>You provided: "o1/07/1970"
>
>Now about dates prior to 1/1/1970, docs are clear:
>
>Convert command:
>Note:  The range of dates that the convert 
>command can handle is limited by the operating 
>system's date routines. In particular, Windows 
>systems are limited to dates after 1/1/1970.
>I do regret this but it seems documented...
>
>Le 25 sept. 07 ? 19:39, Mikey a ?crit :
>
>>Please read the last several posts on this topic, and try testing with
>>a date before 1970.
>>
>>>Please, try to check a lot before posting a bug: half of bugs in
>>>Bugzilla are misunderstandings and/or user specific ;-)
>
>Best regards from Paris,
>Eric Chatonet.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep 25 14:34:35 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:34:35 +0100
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709251059u35a85802g86bf4b3b8a7406af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240803c31efa0877ff@192.168.1.115>
	<9b408d8e0709251059u35a85802g86bf4b3b8a7406af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB614190-6625-49A1-AB9B-03A29A2E8A4E@maseurope.net>

It's probably going to be a tricky bug to track down, since other XP  
users are not seeing the problem (at least with post 1969 dates).
The overloading (in the meantime) issue you could deal with by  
writing a reasonably named function ('isDate', perhaps) that contains  
your own date identification code (there might be a shell call,  
perhaps), which can then be replaced with a call to "is a date" when  
and if the problem gets solved...

Best,

Mark

On 25 Sep 2007, at 18:59, Mikey wrote:

> Thanks for pointing out that there's a note under "convert".  I didn't
> look there.  I was looking in "is a " and under "date" for some
> information.  I think Rev should make that particular caveat bold
> print.
>
> That's a really bizarre restriction, imho.  I've got five other
> development tools on my desktop that don't have this problem.  I
> wonder why Rev never worked around it.
>
> Again, this is one of those cases where it would be nice to be able to
> intercept commands in the message path and patch them.
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 15:10:22 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:10:22 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <AB614190-6625-49A1-AB9B-03A29A2E8A4E@maseurope.net>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240803c31efa0877ff@192.168.1.115>
	<9b408d8e0709251059u35a85802g86bf4b3b8a7406af@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB614190-6625-49A1-AB9B-03A29A2E8A4E@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251210u5a9ae8ddu17c46be4acc06633@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,
The problem ultimately is that all the date routines have to be
overloaded, since none of them work with pre-1970 dates.


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Sep 25 15:41:30 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:41:30 +0100
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9BA5EE08-21E0-493E-866B-93AC2FFDD9B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F80CF4.4AE1F0BB@club-internet.fr>
	<9b408d8e0709241221x764ebc8ckc3b83d4a9b542d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7876660-AAC7-476F-B470-9867D74B236D@swissonline.ch>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BA5EE08-21E0-493E-866B-93AC2FFDD9B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1BE062FA-E45F-45E6-878A-FDE618D4C281@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 25 Sep 2007, at 18:47, Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Convert command:
> Note:  The range of dates that the convert command can handle is  
> limited by the operating system's date routines. In particular,  
> Windows systems are limited to dates after 1/1/1970.
> I do regret this but it seems documented...

After I posted, I realised it was probably related to this. However,  
if you set the centuryCutoff to 70, then "04/04/68" will retun true.  
It seems that Rev is doing more than checking the format of the  
string, and is probably doing a conversion of some kind.

Mikey, can you use the centuryCutoff to get round your problem?

Cheers

Dave


From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Sep 25 16:22:44 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:22:44 -0500
Subject: Handling Cookies within Revolution
Message-ID: <46F96E14.9080300@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I would like to post data to a URL, but the URL required cookies.  Is
there any way to handle cookies from within Revolution?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com



From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 16:23:20 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:23:20 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <1BE062FA-E45F-45E6-878A-FDE618D4C281@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <9b408d8e0709241151s56129568l2b5369eeedb2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250559u2010a2apf09cea944abf67e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709250613p79041839t6f89e0dddba0fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CA5DD81-A65B-41FB-8803-67A6B882E4AE@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9b408d8e0709251003l3525da9co82cd52ec312009ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251010t1de0eed9m313cbed5d9a3de7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<30AD5F58-6005-4EDF-9592-4A5BCBDBE4F3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9b408d8e0709251039l3b0404fev54a81589db18d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BA5EE08-21E0-493E-866B-93AC2FFDD9B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<1BE062FA-E45F-45E6-878A-FDE618D4C281@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251323q761c4f67v44b6282f8bdfac57@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I tried setting the century cutoff to 40 and to 10 and it
doesn't work for either, regardless of whether I have the year
prepended with "19" or not.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 16:36:10 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:36:10 +1000
Subject: Sortable Lists
In-Reply-To: <46F92505.6010300@fourthworld.com>
References: <46F92505.6010300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860709251336o3abe7173oda4ca153a480489a@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/26/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Mike Hughes wrote:
> > I would like to create a very Mac-like list of items with rows and columns
> > and have it sortable exactly like the Finder's "as List" view. So if you
> > click on a column heading, it makes that heading aqua blue and sorts either
> > descending or ascending on that column.
> >
> > How do I create such a list in Revolution? I've noticed this type of
> > interface is common in Cocoa apps (iTunes, Cog, etc.) I have the sorting
> > code figured out, its more just the interface that has stumped me. Do I have
> > to create the interface from scratch to resemble that style?
>
> It's a lot of work to make one.  A LOT of work.  I may be able to help
> save you some time:
>
> I have a group control driven by a library that might do what you need.
>   The library comes with an Inspector that installs the group and lets
> you edit its properties.
>
> Here's a screen shot:
> <http://fourthworld.net/list2.jpg>
>
> It still needs to be documented, but if there's enough interest I'd put
> in the time to productize it and make it available as a commercial
> add-on for a reasonable price (I'm thinking something on the order of ~$44).

When I need such a thing, I use Chipp Walters' altFldHeader plugin. It
dosn't give the OS X blue headers, so it doesn't look as good as
Richard's but it  provides all the functionality that I need.

If anyone wants to check it out, go to
<http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginCover/about.htm>, click
the "Download plugins" link on the left. When you get to the downloads
page, it's near the end.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Sep 25 16:37:36 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:37:36 +0100
Subject: Handling Cookies within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <46F96E14.9080300@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <46F96E14.9080300@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CF4A42F9-6C94-442B-A925-83475E35450E@maseurope.net>

AFAIK, the only way to do this in Rev is to parse the httpHeaders and  
get the cookies...

see 'libURLLastRHHeaders' and "httpHeaders" in the docs.

Best,

Mark

On 25 Sep 2007, at 21:22, Derek Bump wrote:

> I would like to post data to a URL, but the URL required cookies.  Is
> there any way to handle cookies from within Revolution?
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 25 16:42:13 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:42:13 -0700
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0709251323q761c4f67v44b6282f8bdfac57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C31EC0B5.49519%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 9/25/07 1:23 PM, "Mikey" <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I tried setting the century cutoff to 40 and to 10 and it
> doesn't work for either, regardless of whether I have the year
> prepended with "19" or not.

I have to add that running commands etc from the message box does not always
work.  The message box tries to interpret what you are trying to execute,
but is not always able to do what you think it should.

try this:

New stack
stack script
function doDateConv dateStr
  get dateStr
  convert it to dateItems
  put (dateStr is a date) & cr & it into replyStr
  return replyStr
end doDateConv

centurycutoff for me is 35,
OSX 10.4.10   Rev 2.7.2

note the last entry
then in the msg box type:

put doDateConv("7/7/77")
 true
1977,7,7,2,0,0,5

put doDateConv("3/5/68")
true
1968,3,5,1,0,0,3

put doDateConv("5/31/42")
true
1942,5,31,2,0,0,1

put doDateConv("5/31/32")
true
2032,5,31,2,0,0,2

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 16:50:21 2007
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:50:21 -0400
Subject: Why isn't this a date?
In-Reply-To: <C31EC0B5.49519%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <9b408d8e0709251323q761c4f67v44b6282f8bdfac57@mail.gmail.com>
	<C31EC0B5.49519%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0709251350r18a71877u9ea77db168d3d213@mail.gmail.com>

true
1977,7,7,0,0,0,5

false
3/5/68

false
5/31/42

true
2032,5,31,0,0,0,2


From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Sep 25 17:07:46 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:07:46 -0500
Subject: Handling Cookies within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <CF4A42F9-6C94-442B-A925-83475E35450E@maseurope.net>
References: <46F96E14.9080300@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<CF4A42F9-6C94-442B-A925-83475E35450E@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <46F978A2.5090806@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Thank you Mark,

I'll take those commands along with the info on Wikipedia and see what I
can do.  May possibly be a nice library if I get the time.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


Mark Smith wrote:
> AFAIK, the only way to do this in Rev is to parse the httpHeaders and
> get the cookies...
> 
> see 'libURLLastRHHeaders' and "httpHeaders" in the docs.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 25 Sep 2007, at 21:22, Derek Bump wrote:
> 
>> I would like to post data to a URL, but the URL required cookies.  Is
>> there any way to handle cookies from within Revolution?
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
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From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Wed Sep 26 12:42:41 2007
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (GIRARD Damien)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:42:41 +0200
Subject: setregistry. Is it a bug ?
Message-ID: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>

Hi all,

I am currently making an installer, and I have got a problem with
registry right.

As administrator, the setregistry() function make without any problem a
registry key.
When I log in as power user (I think is it power user, in French is it
"Utilisateur avec pouvoir"), runrev don't want create the same registry key.

But, if I try to create the same key with the Windows registry editor,
it makes the key without any problem.

So, why Regedit can create a key, and runrev can't ?

Revolution 2.9 Beta 8.
Windows XP SP2.
Registry key tested : get
setregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\tototest","test")

Thanks !

Damien.



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 26 14:51:40 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:51:40 +0200
Subject: setregistry. Is it a bug ?
In-Reply-To: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>
References: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <CF54DA04-1B48-40BC-BAAB-0968042DF77F@economy-x-talk.com>

Damien,

Does the function return true or false? Are you sure that the path to  
this registry setting exists?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 26-sep-2007, om 18:42 heeft GIRARD Damien het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> I am currently making an installer, and I have got a problem with
> registry right.
>
> As administrator, the setregistry() function make without any  
> problem a
> registry key.
> When I log in as power user (I think is it power user, in French is it
> "Utilisateur avec pouvoir"), runrev don't want create the same  
> registry key.
>
> But, if I try to create the same key with the Windows registry editor,
> it makes the key without any problem.
>
> So, why Regedit can create a key, and runrev can't ?
>
> Revolution 2.9 Beta 8.
> Windows XP SP2.
> Registry key tested : get
> setregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows 
> \CurrentVersion\Uninstall\tototest","test")
>
> Thanks !
>
> Damien.




From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Wed Sep 26 15:03:47 2007
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (GIRARD Damien)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:03:47 +0200
Subject: setregistry. Is it a bug ?
In-Reply-To: <CF54DA04-1B48-40BC-BAAB-0968042DF77F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>
	<CF54DA04-1B48-40BC-BAAB-0968042DF77F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <46FAAD13.6050003@laposte.net>

Mark,

The function return "true" when I am logged as "Administrator", and 
"false" when I am logged as "Power user".
The path of this registry setting doesn't exist, I want to make it.

Best regards,

Damien

Mark Schonewille a ?crit :
> Damien,
>
> Does the function return true or false? Are you sure that the path to 
> this registry setting exists?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> -- 
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. 
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 26-sep-2007, om 18:42 heeft GIRARD Damien het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am currently making an installer, and I have got a problem with
>> registry right.
>>
>> As administrator, the setregistry() function make without any problem a
>> registry key.
>> When I log in as power user (I think is it power user, in French is it
>> "Utilisateur avec pouvoir"), runrev don't want create the same 
>> registry key.
>>
>> But, if I try to create the same key with the Windows registry editor,
>> it makes the key without any problem.
>>
>> So, why Regedit can create a key, and runrev can't ?
>>
>> Revolution 2.9 Beta 8.
>> Windows XP SP2.
>> Registry key tested : get
>> setregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\tototest","test") 
>>
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> Damien.
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 26 15:07:42 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:07:42 +0200
Subject: setregistry. Is it a bug ?
In-Reply-To: <46FAAD13.6050003@laposte.net>
References: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>
	<CF54DA04-1B48-40BC-BAAB-0968042DF77F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<46FAAD13.6050003@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <CB00737A-0899-4538-8751-639C23969525@economy-x-talk.com>

Damien,

Is this on Vista? Apparently, you just can't do this as a power user.  
You have to be logged in as an administrator.

Another possibility is that the path to the key already exists in the  
administrator's account, because you have been testing it. It is a  
long shot, but try creating each branch of the path separately. Make  
\Uninstall first and then \Uninstall\tototest.

I wonder if it is possible to write a VB or COM file that can log in  
as admin and set the regsitry keys.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 26-sep-2007, om 21:03 heeft GIRARD Damien het volgende geschreven:

> Mark,
>
> The function return "true" when I am logged as "Administrator", and  
> "false" when I am logged as "Power user".
> The path of this registry setting doesn't exist, I want to make it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Damien



From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Wed Sep 26 15:36:11 2007
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (GIRARD Damien)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:36:11 +0200
Subject: setregistry. Is it a bug ?
In-Reply-To: <CB00737A-0899-4538-8751-639C23969525@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>	<CF54DA04-1B48-40BC-BAAB-0968042DF77F@economy-x-talk.com>	<46FAAD13.6050003@laposte.net>
	<CB00737A-0899-4538-8751-639C23969525@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <46FAB4AB.80004@laposte.net>

Mark,

Is it under Windows XP, and of course, I deleted the registry key maked 
by the administrator.

The registry key :
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\
Already exist in the Windows registry. (under this key are stored all 
uninstall informations).

I think that this is a bug of runrev, I will try to see if I can do a VB 
or COM file for set this registry key (with Regedit, I can make it), and 
if I can make this key with a VB or COM file, I will report it in the 
quality center.

Regards,

Damien

Mark Schonewille a ?crit :
> Damien,
>
> Is this on Vista? Apparently, you just can't do this as a power user. 
> You have to be logged in as an administrator.
>
> Another possibility is that the path to the key already exists in the 
> administrator's account, because you have been testing it. It is a 
> long shot, but try creating each branch of the path separately. Make 
> \Uninstall first and then \Uninstall\tototest.
>
> I wonder if it is possible to write a VB or COM file that can log in 
> as admin and set the regsitry keys.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> -- 
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. 
> http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> Op 26-sep-2007, om 21:03 heeft GIRARD Damien het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The function return "true" when I am logged as "Administrator", and 
>> "false" when I am logged as "Power user".
>> The path of this registry setting doesn't exist, I want to make it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Damien
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Sep 26 15:40:48 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:40:48 +0200
Subject: setregistry. Is it a bug ?
In-Reply-To: <46FAB4AB.80004@laposte.net>
References: <46FA8C01.5070103@laposte.net>	<CF54DA04-1B48-40BC-BAAB-0968042DF77F@economy-x-talk.com>	<46FAAD13.6050003@laposte.net>
	<CB00737A-0899-4538-8751-639C23969525@economy-x-talk.com>
	<46FAB4AB.80004@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <660A6FEC-C034-4200-B21A-1D14E23A243D@economy-x-talk.com>

Damien,

I'm not sure that it is a bug. What about trying HKEY_LOCAL_USER?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 26-sep-2007, om 21:36 heeft GIRARD Damien het volgende geschreven:

> Mark,
>
> Is it under Windows XP, and of course, I deleted the registry key  
> maked by the administrator.
>
> The registry key :
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion 
> \Uninstall\
> Already exist in the Windows registry. (under this key are stored  
> all uninstall informations).
>
> I think that this is a bug of runrev, I will try to see if I can do  
> a VB or COM file for set this registry key (with Regedit, I can  
> make it), and if I can make this key with a VB or COM file, I will  
> report it in the quality center.
>
> Regards,
>
> Damien



From jim at oyfconsulting.com  Wed Sep 26 16:10:07 2007
From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:10:07 -0300
Subject: Confusing Web site...
In-Reply-To: <0DE3C955-F7B7-46DD-8AEA-7B791F3E4E85@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C32042EF.11ED0%jim@oyfconsulting.com>

I find the Rev web site confusing.  I can't seem to get by the marketing
hype to find the examples I need.  I see a set of examples in the video
tutorials but when I go to the Rev examples, I see a completely different
list.  I go to the store and all I see is a confusing list of Rev
configurations but no examples either.  Where do I go to get the examples
that are listed in the video tutorials?... Jim

Jim Carwardine,
President & CEO
OYF Consulting
Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339
Fx. 902.823-2139
<http://www.StrategicDoing.com>

StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees.
-- 





From curry at pair.com  Wed Sep 26 18:15:18 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
In-Reply-To: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <33605.69.242.141.223.1190844918.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>

When testing with and without Quicktime on Windows, playing .mid files in
a player, I was unable to really test without any QT features by setting
dontUseQT. Instead, I had to actually uninstall it!

With no QT, players don't loop automatically (at least with .mid files,
haven't tested others), and the player volume can't be set using
playLoudness. With QT installed, it seems these features are available
even with dontUseQT, if I made no mistake.

I'm wondering if anyone knows a good way for true QT/non-QT testing of all
features short of un/install, and also if I should bugzilla this or not.

Thanks,

Curry



From curry at pair.com  Wed Sep 26 18:45:39 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <33126.69.242.141.223.1190846739.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>

>Chris tracked it down and it turns out that Rev's
>import snapshot does not work with Aero on Vista.

This is a feature I need, and with a quick test it seems to work okay for
me, both regular and of-control mode--with Home Premium. So it messes up
in Vista Business? Any more info?

Curry


From curry at pair.com  Wed Sep 26 18:57:02 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:57:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RevBrowser elements for browserClick, etc.
In-Reply-To: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <33258.69.242.141.223.1190847422.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>


If you want to vote for it, I suggested #5420, Requesting identification
(and if possible, more information) for all elements passed by revBrowser
in browserClick, browserOver, browserOut, etc.

According to docs, currently element ID's are only available if ID
property is defined in page source. In future some kind of identification
should be available for any element regardless of ID property in page
source. Also if possible, Mac support for these features.

Thanks.

Curry


From josh at dvcreators.net  Wed Sep 26 19:00:24 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:00:24 -0700
Subject: how do you determine if a file is a media file?
Message-ID: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>

I am working on a handler to determine whether a file is a media  
file. (for OS X and Windows)

First, I check if the file has a proper extension (.mov, .jpg, etc.)  
if so, I assume the extension is correct (a leap of faith perhaps)

Second, I try to get the OS X filetype from the detailed files. Some  
movies properly list "Moov", some don't.

Third, was going to try loading the file into a Player or Image  
object and see if there's an error, but many types of files will load  
into those objects fine (like text files)

So, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips beyond these things...


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 26 19:03:44 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:03:44 -0700
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
Message-ID: <46FAE550.5020800@fourthworld.com>

curry wrote:
>>Chris tracked it down and it turns out that Rev's
>>import snapshot does not work with Aero on Vista.
> 
> This is a feature I need, and with a quick test it seems to work okay for
> me, both regular and of-control mode--with Home Premium. So it messes up
> in Vista Business? Any more info?

Actually, there are two versions of Vista Home, and Aero isn't included 
in Home Basic but is in Home Premium.

This video may help clarify purchasing options among the 16 different 
versions of Windows Vista:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLgBx3W9Ss>


As for other info, the import snapshot command is broken on OS X too (it 
actually works, but provides no feedback for the user, no shaded 
selection region.

On the bright side, this is among the very few regression errors in 
v2.8.1.  On the dark side, this is/was a pretty popular feature.

Still praying for a v2.8.2 to address this.....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Sep 26 19:20:32 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:20:32 +0100
Subject: how do you determine if a file is a media file?
In-Reply-To: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
References: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <8658B22C-9435-4D51-9827-2407593EBCBB@maseurope.net>

Josh, many (most?) media file-types have 'magic-numbers' at the start  
(and sometimes also at the end), which identify them as whatever type  
they are.

Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming)

Best,

Mark


On 27 Sep 2007, at 00:00, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> I am working on a handler to determine whether a file is a media  
> file. (for OS X and Windows)
>
> First, I check if the file has a proper extension (.mov, .jpg,  
> etc.) if so, I assume the extension is correct (a leap of faith  
> perhaps)
>
> Second, I try to get the OS X filetype from the detailed files.  
> Some movies properly list "Moov", some don't.
>
> Third, was going to try loading the file into a Player or Image  
> object and see if there's an error, but many types of files will  
> load into those objects fine (like text files)
>
> So, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips beyond these things...
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Sep 26 19:42:17 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:42:17 -0400
Subject: post a file
In-Reply-To: <7B834F83-B007-445E-8BEA-8E239BBD933A@richard-hillen.de>
References: <7B834F83-B007-445E-8BEA-8E239BBD933A@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <7E3AB187-E147-4311-9750-AC89440E83D3@mangomultimedia.com>

On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:44 AM, R. Hillen wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I want to tansfer a local binary file fff.shp to url MyUrl by http- 
> post.
>
> Can you explain, how to post a file?
>
> I think somewhat like  >post file fff.shp to URL MyUrl<
>
> Is that really so simple?

Richard,

Here is some code I use to post files to a server. Maybe this will  
help you out.

## Create form
put the httpheaders into theOrigHeaders	
put libUrlMultipartFormData(theForm, "someVar", someData) into theResult
set the httpheaders to line 1 of theForm
delete line 1 of theForm

## Add file to form
put "<file>" & thePathToTheFileOnDisk into theFilePart
put libUrlMultipartFormAddPart(theForm, "images", theFilePart, "image/ 
jpeg", "binary") into theResult

## POST
post theForm to theURL
put the result into theError
put it into theReturnedValue

set the httpheaders to theOrigHeaders


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From curry at pair.com  Wed Sep 26 19:42:50 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:42:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
In-Reply-To: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <33426.69.242.141.223.1190850170.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>

>As for other info, the import snapshot command is broken on OS X too
>(it actually works, but provides no feedback for the user, no shaded
>selection region.

Ah, I've only tried the from-rect and of-object forms, forgot about the
plain form with user selection. That may be a different issue, not sure. I
was wondering if Chipp had more details--it's #5413.

Curry


From paulgabel at comcast.net  Thu Sep 27 00:45:04 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:45:04 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
Message-ID: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>

Hello everybody:

I have a large stack and a small stack (Let's call the latter "Panel  
x").
  ________________  ____
|		| |    |
|		| |    |
|		| |    |
|		| |    |
|_______________| |____|

 From a script, "Panel x" needs to slide behind the right side of the  
large stack and switch to another panel ("Panel y") which slides back  
out. The problem is that I can't consistently control which is on top.

1. I tried drawer "Panel x" but the stack disappeared. The only way I  
could get it back was by quitting Rev and reopening. Anyway, I'm  
aiming for cross-platform.

2. I tried to keep the large stack on top by temporarily using modal  
or systemWindow, but both cause the large stack to close and reopen  
which is unsightly. If I use lock screen, the large stack turns white  
during the process.

Sometimes "Panel x" slides on top the first time I do it and then  
slides behind the second time. Is there a consistent method of  
controlling stack "levels"? Thank you.

Paul Gabel

Rev Studio 2.8.1
Mac OS X 10.4.10
iMac Intel 

From paulgabel at comcast.net  Thu Sep 27 00:47:42 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:47:42 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
In-Reply-To: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
References: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <15F363CC-A266-4DFA-9B72-6966E3288795@comcast.net>

Sorry. My little diagram got messed up in cyberspace. But you get the  
picture.

Paul Gabel


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Sep 27 01:04:12 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:04:12 -0500
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
In-Reply-To: <33426.69.242.141.223.1190850170.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>
References: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
	<33426.69.242.141.223.1190850170.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210709262204q31a1cac7m17036356f25905fc@mail.gmail.com>

Curry,

Are you sure it's working with Aero? On some machines, Aero is turned
off by default. Are the titlebars somewhat transparent and show a
blurred image of what is underneath them?

I'm not sure what other details you're looking for. On every Aero
system I've tried it on (3 of them), import snapshot does not work.

I agree, Richard. Regression errors should be the first ones fixed.

best,
Chipp


From josh at dvcreators.net  Thu Sep 27 01:27:49 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:27:49 -0700
Subject: how do you determine if a file is a media file?
In-Reply-To: <8658B22C-9435-4D51-9827-2407593EBCBB@maseurope.net>
References: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
	<8658B22C-9435-4D51-9827-2407593EBCBB@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <26E9F888-552F-499E-9F43-28CD63F7ED2B@dvcreators.net>

Wow, that could be just the ticket.

The new link seems to be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29

Thanks!


On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Josh, many (most?) media file-types have 'magic-numbers' at the  
> start (and sometimes also at the end), which identify them as  
> whatever type they are.
>
> Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming)
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 27 Sep 2007, at 00:00, Josh Mellicker wrote:
>
>> I am working on a handler to determine whether a file is a media  
>> file. (for OS X and Windows)
>>
>> First, I check if the file has a proper extension (.mov, .jpg,  
>> etc.) if so, I assume the extension is correct (a leap of faith  
>> perhaps)
>>
>> Second, I try to get the OS X filetype from the detailed files.  
>> Some movies properly list "Moov", some don't.
>>
>> Third, was going to try loading the file into a Player or Image  
>> object and see if there's an error, but many types of files will  
>> load into those objects fine (like text files)
>>
>> So, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips beyond these things...
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Sep 27 01:29:25 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:29:25 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
In-Reply-To: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
References: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BEE6C0EA-2D92-4988-97DC-09C4C3883AB3@elementarysoftware.com>

Paul,
  It isn't exactly the look you are describing but what about using  
the revChangeWindowSize command (with slide) in order to simulate  
closing and reopening "Panel x"   Panel x could consist of  multiple  
groups that could be hidden and shown as needed.  The main window  
could expand or shrink in order to expose or hide the "Panelx" group(s)

Also, though not cross platform,
     drawer stack "Panelx" at right in stack "LargeWindow"
should work

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Paul Gabel wrote:

> Hello everybody:
>
> I have a large stack and a small stack (Let's call the latter  
> "Panel x").
>  ________________  ____
> |		| |    |
> |		| |    |
> |		| |    |
> |		| |    |
> |_______________| |____|
>
> From a script, "Panel x" needs to slide behind the right side of  
> the large stack and switch to another panel ("Panel y") which  
> slides back out. The problem is that I can't consistently control  
> which is on top.
>
> 1. I tried drawer "Panel x" but the stack disappeared. The only way  
> I could get it back was by quitting Rev and reopening. Anyway, I'm  
> aiming for cross-platform.
>
> 2. I tried to keep the large stack on top by temporarily using  
> modal or systemWindow, but both cause the large stack to close and  
> reopen which is unsightly. If I use lock screen, the large stack  
> turns white during the process.
>
> Sometimes "Panel x" slides on top the first time I do it and then  
> slides behind the second time. Is there a consistent method of  
> controlling stack "levels"? Thank you.
>
> Paul Gabel
>
> Rev Studio 2.8.1
> Mac OS X 10.4.10
> iMac Intel_______________________________________________
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep 27 01:33:57 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:33:57 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
In-Reply-To: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C3208ED5.2FEC3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Paul Gabel wrote:

> Is there a consistent method of controlling stack "levels"?

IMO, the only way to really make sure one stack is displayed above another
and stays there is to make the upper stack a palette.  This may not work in
your situation (ie if you're using stacks with standard decorations) but for
the most part this arrangement is relatively foolproof.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Sep 27 01:39:03 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:39:03 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
In-Reply-To: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C3209007.2FEC6%scott@tactilemedia.com>

BTW, not sure if this is what you're trying to do, but you might want to
take a look at a demo stack that features a sliding panel similar to the
drawer command.  Execute the following in your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/slider.rev"

This uses a palette stack as the parent window and toplevel stack as the
"slider".  Maybe it is of some use.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Sep 27 01:40:29 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:40:29 -0700
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
In-Reply-To: <33605.69.242.141.223.1190844918.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>
References: <20070926170005.8C1D5488F16@mail.runrev.com>
	<33605.69.242.141.223.1190844918.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com>
Message-ID: <F51F0ED1-611D-455F-BCBC-1656EC6507CE@elementarysoftware.com>

Curry,
I'm on a Mac at the moment but if you are testing in the IDE,  under  
Rev's General preferences there is a check box for "Load QuickTime on  
startUp" and a tool tip that suggests setting dontUseQT will fail if  
Rev does loads QT on startup.  Perhaps this preference is turned on?

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:15 PM, curry at pair.com wrote:

> When testing with and without Quicktime on Windows, playing .mid  
> files in
> a player, I was unable to really test without any QT features by  
> setting
> dontUseQT. Instead, I had to actually uninstall it!
>
> With no QT, players don't loop automatically (at least with .mid  
> files,
> haven't tested others), and the player volume can't be set using
> playLoudness. With QT installed, it seems these features are available
> even with dontUseQT, if I made no mistake.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone knows a good way for true QT/non-QT testing  
> of all
> features short of un/install, and also if I should bugzilla this or  
> not.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curry
>
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Sep 27 02:00:07 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:00:07 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
In-Reply-To: <C3209007.2FEC6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C3209007.2FEC6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6F84E3F4-AFDE-4A2F-9BF5-F83726B9891C@elementarysoftware.com>

Whoa!  I didn't know that was doable!  Your stack(s) appears to solve  
a problem I've been struggling with. Thanks a bunch for sharing.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:39 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> BTW, not sure if this is what you're trying to do, but you might  
> want to
> take a look at a demo stack that features a sliding panel similar  
> to the
> drawer command.  Execute the following in your message box:
>
>  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/slider.rev"
>
> This uses a palette stack as the parent window and toplevel stack  
> as the
> "slider".  Maybe it is of some use.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Sep 27 03:38:56 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:38:56 +0200
Subject: how do you determine if a file is a media file?
In-Reply-To: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
References: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <59B9389C-2F92-4F42-97AB-840B82466D69@major-k.de>

Hi Josh,

> I am working on a handler to determine whether a file is a media  
> file. (for OS X and Windows)
>
> First, I check if the file has a proper extension (.mov, .jpg,  
> etc.) if so, I assume the extension is correct (a leap of faith  
> perhaps)
>
> Second, I try to get the OS X filetype from the detailed files.  
> Some movies properly list "Moov", some don't.
>
> Third, was going to try loading the file into a Player or Image  
> object and see if there's an error, but many types of files will  
> load into those objects fine (like text files)
>
> So, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips beyond these things...

again this might be a case for Trevor's EXCELLENT QT External :-)

 From the docs:
function qtGetMovieFileType (FilePath)
Description:
Returns the type of a file on disk.
Parameters:
FilePath: Path to movie file.
Return:
Type (multiframe graphic, image, qtvr, flash, video, sound, unknown,  
unsupported)

Maybe that can help you to decide to load a file into a player or not.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de

P.S.
Perhaps you should print out the docs and put them under your pillow ;-)

From curry at pair.com  Thu Sep 27 06:43:08 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
Message-ID: <50788.69.242.156.184.1190889788.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>


>Are you sure it's working with Aero? On some machines, Aero is turned
>off by default. Are the titlebars somewhat transparent and show a
>blurred image of what is underneath them?

>I'm not sure what other details you're looking for. On every Aero
>system I've tried it on (3 of them), import snapshot does not work.

Yes, I know about Aero. Let's not get bogged down on that, because we need
to delve a little further.

But I think the big problem is that we all had been forgetting that import
snapshot has two basic forms of operation. You guys overlooked one form, I
overlooked the other.

Now I find that if I type "import snapshot" (which I did not try before) I
get the ugly black rectangle.

But if I type "import snapshot from rect (the rect of grc 1) of window
(the windowid of this window)" I get a perfect image.

If you get the same results, not only can it further pin down the bug
report, but it might provide a workaround for many uses--let the user drag
out a rectangle graphic, then programatically take the snapshot of that
rect.

So, I confirm that the user selection form of "import snapshot" fails, but
the from-rect form works for me.

Best,

Curry


From josh at dvcreators.net  Thu Sep 27 06:59:54 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:59:54 -0700
Subject: how do you determine if a file is a media file?
In-Reply-To: <59B9389C-2F92-4F42-97AB-840B82466D69@major-k.de>
References: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
	<59B9389C-2F92-4F42-97AB-840B82466D69@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6F5C1FEB-3BE2-4E02-9BB3-40DFC61A7504@dvcreators.net>

Holy crap.

Perhaps you should set up an autoresponder so when I ask a question,  
it responds with the relevant section of Trevor's EXCELLENT QT  
External docs :-)

(I am glad I sent Trevor some $$$ for that external!)

Thanks for the reminder, the docs are going under my pillow now :-)


On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
>> I am working on a handler to determine whether a file is a media  
>> file. (for OS X and Windows)
>>
>> First, I check if the file has a proper extension (.mov, .jpg,  
>> etc.) if so, I assume the extension is correct (a leap of faith  
>> perhaps)
>>
>> Second, I try to get the OS X filetype from the detailed files.  
>> Some movies properly list "Moov", some don't.
>>
>> Third, was going to try loading the file into a Player or Image  
>> object and see if there's an error, but many types of files will  
>> load into those objects fine (like text files)
>>
>> So, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips beyond these things...
>
> again this might be a case for Trevor's EXCELLENT QT External :-)
>
> From the docs:
> function qtGetMovieFileType (FilePath)
> Description:
> Returns the type of a file on disk.
> Parameters:
> FilePath: Path to movie file.
> Return:
> Type (multiframe graphic, image, qtvr, flash, video, sound,  
> unknown, unsupported)
>
> Maybe that can help you to decide to load a file into a player or not.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
> P.S.
> Perhaps you should print out the docs and put them under your  
> pillow ;-)
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From curry at pair.com  Thu Sep 27 07:02:31 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
Message-ID: <50793.69.242.156.184.1190890951.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>


>I'm on a Mac at the moment but if you are testing in the IDE,  under
>Rev's General preferences there is a check box for "Load QuickTime on
>startUp" and a tool tip that suggests setting dontUseQT will fail if
>Rev does loads QT on startup.  Perhaps this preference is turned on?

No, this pref was off when I wanted to test without QT. And unless I made
a mistake in testing, the specific QT behaviors I mentioned persisted
although QT was disabled, until I actually uninstalled QT. I am aware of
the differences in behavior because I've used .mid and sound files in some
games, so I noticed right away when the QT behaviors persisted.

Obviously, the disadvantage is not being able to test for QT and non-QT
user scenarios unless there is an easier way than un/installation. I'm
hoping to find an easier way to switch. I think I made no mistake, but
when I install QT again (it's uninstalled right now) I'll retest with a
very simple stack just to make sure, since I was using a complex stack--a
nearly finished game--before.

Curry


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Sep 27 07:19:15 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:19:15 +0200
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
In-Reply-To: <50793.69.242.156.184.1190890951.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
References: <50793.69.242.156.184.1190890951.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
Message-ID: <ED4DD5AA-5F80-4835-88F5-6D295D1179FF@major-k.de>

Hi curry,

>> I'm on a Mac at the moment but if you are testing in the IDE,  under
>> Rev's General preferences there is a check box for "Load QuickTime on
>> startUp" and a tool tip that suggests setting dontUseQT will fail if
>> Rev does loads QT on startup.  Perhaps this preference is turned on?
>
> No, this pref was off when I wanted to test without QT. And unless  
> I made
> a mistake in testing, the specific QT behaviors I mentioned persisted
> although QT was disabled, until I actually uninstalled QT. I am  
> aware of
> the differences in behavior because I've used .mid and sound files  
> in some
> games, so I noticed right away when the QT behaviors persisted.
>
> Obviously, the disadvantage is not being able to test for QT and  
> non-QT
> user scenarios unless there is an easier way than un/installation. I'm
> hoping to find an easier way to switch. I think I made no mistake, but
> when I install QT again (it's uninstalled right now) I'll retest  
> with a
> very simple stack just to make sure, since I was using a complex  
> stack--a
> nearly finished game--before.

A player without QuickTime on Windows will definitivley NOT play any  
midi file!

You could use the (very bad to not) documented "maciSendString" command
on windows to play sounds, videos and midis on windows.

In RevOnline Signe Marie Sanne (username "sms") has two example stacks
that make use of "mciSendString".

Check them out, they might get you started:

-> mciMpegVideo
-> PlayWavMCI

> Curry

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Sep 27 07:20:39 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:20:39 +0200
Subject: how do you determine if a file is a media file?
In-Reply-To: <6F5C1FEB-3BE2-4E02-9BB3-40DFC61A7504@dvcreators.net>
References: <40032F1D-4224-4162-B6E7-13A7CBDD7835@dvcreators.net>
	<59B9389C-2F92-4F42-97AB-840B82466D69@major-k.de>
	<6F5C1FEB-3BE2-4E02-9BB3-40DFC61A7504@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <42321D5C-1EA4-4CD4-B38D-BB4FC1B23CB0@major-k.de>

Hi Josh,

> Holy crap.
>
> Perhaps you should set up an autoresponder so when I ask a  
> question, it responds with the relevant section of Trevor's  
> EXCELLENT QT External docs :-)

Good idea!
I have some spare time next week and will try to create one,  
shouldn't be too hard with rev ;-)

> (I am glad I sent Trevor some $$$ for that external!)
>
> Thanks for the reminder, the docs are going under my pillow now :-)

Yes, please :-D


Best from rainy germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From curry at pair.com  Thu Sep 27 07:42:29 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:42:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
Message-ID: <50823.69.242.156.184.1190893349.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>

>A player without QuickTime on Windows will
>definitivley NOT play any midi file!

That is very emphatic but also incorrect! ;-D

Maybe this feature is not well-known. Try it. I've used it for more than
one shareware. If you don't have QT installed, the player may not show a
controller with play button, so use script to start it.

>You could use the (very bad to not) documented "maciSendString"
>command on windows to play sounds, videos and midis on windows.

I suspect mciSendString might even be what Rev uses for the player without
QT--anyway, the features are just about the same either way, calling from
mci or the player. The Microsoft sequencer is used.

Best,

Curry

--
Curry K. Software
http://curryk.com/



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Sep 27 08:03:40 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:03:40 +0200
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
In-Reply-To: <50823.69.242.156.184.1190893349.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
References: <50823.69.242.156.184.1190893349.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
Message-ID: <B8BF0475-0943-43AE-9F9D-9DC79F9D7D0C@major-k.de>

Hi Curry,

>> A player without QuickTime on Windows will
>> definitivley NOT play any midi file!
>
> That is very emphatic but also incorrect! ;-D

Oops :-)

> Maybe this feature is not well-known. Try it. I've used it for more  
> than
> one shareware. If you don't have QT installed, the player may not  
> show a
> controller with play button, so use script to start it.

Hey, this is really new to me, will try a bit later today.
Thanks for the hint!

>> You could use the (very bad to not) documented "maciSendString"
>> command on windows to play sounds, videos and midis on windows.
>
> I suspect mciSendString might even be what Rev uses for the player  
> without
> QT--anyway, the features are just about the same either way,  
> calling from
> mci or the player. The Microsoft sequencer is used.

Hm... Sure?

Hey sims, if you reading this, did you get to play WMV files in a  
player without QuickTime?

> Best,
>
> Curry
>
> --
> Curry K. Software
> http://curryk.com/

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Sep 27 08:05:45 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:05:45 +0200
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
In-Reply-To: <B8BF0475-0943-43AE-9F9D-9DC79F9D7D0C@major-k.de>
References: <50823.69.242.156.184.1190893349.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
	<B8BF0475-0943-43AE-9F9D-9DC79F9D7D0C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <122E97B7-C253-430E-AB76-0C1808743B41@ezpzapps.com>


On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hey sims, if you reading this, did you get to play WMV files in a  
> player without QuickTime?

In the new beta I can  :-)

sims

From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Sep 27 08:11:49 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:11:49 +0200
Subject: Quicktime on Windows
In-Reply-To: <122E97B7-C253-430E-AB76-0C1808743B41@ezpzapps.com>
References: <50823.69.242.156.184.1190893349.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
	<B8BF0475-0943-43AE-9F9D-9DC79F9D7D0C@major-k.de>
	<122E97B7-C253-430E-AB76-0C1808743B41@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <3C71682D-E763-4AF0-9CC9-425D68377F27@major-k.de>

Hi sims,

> On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> Hey sims, if you reading this, did you get to play WMV files in a  
>> player without QuickTime?
>
> In the new beta I can  :-)

Oh, really?
What a nice surprise :-)

> sims

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Sep 27 10:04:10 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:04:10 -0500
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
In-Reply-To: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
References: <D61C2076-48CC-4BE0-BFA5-D1B538DBF01C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20070927090410467837.ecc4aa02@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:45:04 -0700, Paul Gabel wrote:

> Is there a consistent method of controlling stack "levels"? 

No, but I wish there were a "layer" property of stacks. But in the 
meantime, you can always make stack windows come to the front by 
issuing a "open stack <stackName>" command. This won't send any 
messages if it's already open, but will force it to come to the front 
of all other stacks of the same 'mode' (see 'mode' in the Dictionary).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 27 10:56:00 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:56:00 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
Message-ID: <46FBC480.6080308@fourthworld.com>

Paul Gabel wrote:

> I have a large stack and a small stack (Let's call the latter "Panel  
> x").
>   ________________  ____
> |		| |    |
> |		| |    |
> |		| |    |
> |		| |    |
> |_______________| |____|
> 
>  From a script, "Panel x" needs to slide behind the right side of the  
> large stack and switch to another panel ("Panel y") which slides back  
> out. The problem is that I can't consistently control which is on top.

If a custom look for your windows is what you're after, then Scott 
Rossi's solution looks an excellent one.

But if you're looking for something more traditional and the goal is to 
provide a "progressive disclosure" in which options can be made 
available or not as the user chooses, you might consider the common and 
arguably underrated disclosure triangle:

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_7.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000359-TPXREF227>

They're easy to script, the Rev IDE provides the images you'll need, and 
they deliver a solution which meets the HIG expectations for all 
supported platforms.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 27 11:12:28 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:12:28 -0700
Subject: Rev and import snapshot not compatible with Aero and Vista
In-Reply-To: <50788.69.242.156.184.1190889788.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
Message-ID: <C321166C.495B6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Also beware of multiple monitors

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 9/27/07 3:43 AM, "curry at pair.com" <curry at pair.com> wrote:

> 
>> Are you sure it's working with Aero? On some machines, Aero is turned
>> off by default. Are the titlebars somewhat transparent and show a
>> blurred image of what is underneath them?
> 
>> I'm not sure what other details you're looking for. On every Aero
>> system I've tried it on (3 of them), import snapshot does not work.
> 
> Yes, I know about Aero. Let's not get bogged down on that, because we need
> to delve a little further.
> 
> But I think the big problem is that we all had been forgetting that import
> snapshot has two basic forms of operation. You guys overlooked one form, I
> overlooked the other.
> 
> Now I find that if I type "import snapshot" (which I did not try before) I
> get the ugly black rectangle.
> 
> But if I type "import snapshot from rect (the rect of grc 1) of window
> (the windowid of this window)" I get a perfect image.
> 
> If you get the same results, not only can it further pin down the bug
> report, but it might provide a workaround for many uses--let the user drag
> out a rectangle graphic, then programatically take the snapshot of that
> rect.
> 
> So, I confirm that the user selection form of "import snapshot" fails, but
> the from-rect form works for me.




From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 17:21:41 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:21:41 -0400
Subject: Rawkeydown and the mouse wheel
Message-ID: <3f07cc260709271421t19d1a524n37bad201c42b1774@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to use the mouse wheel to scroll a group in a stack using the
rawkeydown handler. I've seen Mark Waddingham's comments that groups don't
respond to key messages:

"I think this is a consequence of mouse-wheel messages being sent as key's
at present and groups not responding to any key messages at the moment."

However, it seems like it should be easy to get around this by simply
putting the rawkeydown handler in the stack script and pointing it at the
group scroll values when it detects the mousewheel codes.

Alas, something odd is happening with all this.

I set up a group with a few buttons and sized it so that scroll bars
appeared when I turned them on.

I put the following handler in the stack script.

on rawkeydown keystroke
  put the vscroll of group 1 into vs
  if keystroke is 65308 then
    set the vscroll of group 1 to vs - 10
  else if keystroke is 65309 then
    set the vscroll of group 1 to vs + 10
  end if
  put keystroke
  pass rawkeydown
end rawkeydown

Anything I type, no matter where the cursor is, gets echoed in the message
box, as is expected. However, if I scroll the mouse wheel, it only works
under the following conditions:

1) if the cursor is directly over one of the buttons in the group. (if it's
over white space within the group, scrolling doesn't happen)
2) if the cursor is over any other object outside the group (i.e. if there's
a button or field or image outside the group and the cursor is over it)

However, if the cursor is just over the card with nothing under it, the
mouse wheel "key" messages apparently are not sent.

This is very strange. Typing a key, no matter where the cursor is, gets
echoed properly, meaning the rawkeydown handler is getting the key strokes.
However, it only gets the mouse wheel "key" message when the cursor is over
an object. How come the rawkeydown handler isn't getting the mouse wheel
input when the cursor isn't over an object?

Aside from putting a giant invisible button behind my entire stack (which is
impractical for my current application) does anyone know of any other means
to make the rawkeydown handler see the mouse wheel messages all the time?

-- 

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 27 17:45:01 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:45:01 -0700
Subject: Rawkeydown and the mouse wheel
Message-ID: <46FC245D.6010607@fourthworld.com>

Howard Bornstein wrote:
> ...if I scroll the mouse wheel, it only works
> under the following conditions:
> 
> 1) if the cursor is directly over one of the buttons in the group. (if it's
> over white space within the group, scrolling doesn't happen)
> 2) if the cursor is over any other object outside the group (i.e. if there's
> a button or field or image outside the group and the cursor is over it)
> 
> However, if the cursor is just over the card with nothing under it, the
> mouse wheel "key" messages apparently are not sent.
> 
> This is very strange. Typing a key, no matter where the cursor is, gets
> echoed properly, meaning the rawkeydown handler is getting the key strokes.
> However, it only gets the mouse wheel "key" message when the cursor is over
> an object. How come the rawkeydown handler isn't getting the mouse wheel
> input when the cursor isn't over an object?

Yep, I've been bitten by that myself.  Not sure why it's that way, and 
since the card receives all other key events in rawKeyDown I would think 
that for consistency the scroll wheel should be sent outside of controls 
as well.

The workaround is to put a graphic or other object across the full 
extent of the group's content region, so at least the message will be sent.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 27 20:39:04 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:39:04 -0700
Subject: [OT] Beyond the Mac Mini: Nano
Message-ID: <46FC4D28.3080906@fourthworld.com>

For those of you who enjoyed the Mac Mini, this is from today's 
<http://www.macosrumors.com/>:

    But first, we have the privilege of being able to
    exclusively report on information provided to Mac
    OS Rumors by one of our oldest and most reliable
    sources in Cupertino: the Mac Mini is dead.....
    Long Live the Mac Nano!

    The exact naming and marketing details are not as
    firm in our sources' estimation, since he's not an
    Apple Marketroid(TM)....but the new Mini will be
    as small in the horizontal as an internal optical
    drive will allow, and a little over 2/3 the height.
    Overall volume will be shrunk almost 25%, weight
    by about 20% and an all-new enclosure will be
    strikingly different from the design that has been
    the Mini's defining feature since its introduction.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Sep 27 21:42:40 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:42:40 EDT
Subject: [OT] Beyond the Mac Mini: Nano
Message-ID: <c93.1577f37e.342db610@aol.com>

Sounds like they dropped the hard drive.
Paul Looney


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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Sep 27 22:18:37 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:18:37 -0700
Subject: [OT] Beyond the Mac Mini: Nano
In-Reply-To: <c93.1577f37e.342db610@aol.com>
References: <c93.1577f37e.342db610@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c32214ae26a3@[192.168.1.115]>

and replaced with some kind of large solid state drive?


>Sounds like they dropped the hard drive.
>Paul Looney
>
>**************************************
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Sep 27 22:30:16 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:30:16 EDT
Subject: [OT] Beyond the Mac Mini: Nano
Message-ID: <c8a.11c38f29.342dc138@aol.com>

Perhaps, Stephen.
But I've long thought it would be good to simply remove both the CD and the 
HD. Upgrade the Mini to FW 800 and let the user pick the exact combination of 
"external" drives they need. Almost completely modular! I call this the 
"anti-iMac" theory ;-) I'm sure Apple wants no part of it.
Paul Looney


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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Sep 27 23:33:49 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:33:49 -0300
Subject: [OT] Beyond the Mac Mini: Nano
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c32214ae26a3@192.168.1.115>
References: <c93.1577f37e.342db610@aol.com>
	<p06240802c32214ae26a3@192.168.1.115>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709272033k33d25effy8aa333694d539102@mail.gmail.com>

the kind that corrupts when you scream "erase!!!!" near it?I really don't
trust solid state drives...

(I like them, I just don't trust them)

On 9/27/07, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> and replaced with some kind of large solid state drive?
>
>
> >Sounds like they dropped the hard drive.
> >Paul Looney
> >
> >**************************************
> >
>
> --
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Sep 28 00:32:57 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:32:57 -0700
Subject: ZIP Library Details?
Message-ID: <C321D209.3003F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Anyone have experience with the new ZIP library -- specifically the
revZipSetProgressCallback command?

The docs say a callback is sent with several parameters, including
pGlobalProgress.  But the value of this parameter appears to be identical to
the value of pItemProgress.  I expected "global" to mean the progress of the
decompressing an entire archive, and "item" refering to individual files
within the archive.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Sep 28 02:23:56 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:23:56 -0500
Subject: ZIP Library Details?
In-Reply-To: <C321D209.3003F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C321D209.3003F%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0C94285F-313A-4A21-AD4B-11F0BFAC0C58@dvcreators.net>

I can confirm the same result- global seems to be reporting item.

With a brand new stack, this script:

on doIt
     revZipSetProgressCallback "myZipProgressHandler"
     answer file "find zip"
     put it into tArchive
     revZipOpenArchive tArchive, "read"
     put revZipEnumerateItems(tArchive) into tItems
     breakpoint
     repeat for each line tFile in tItems
         revZipExtractItemToFile tArchive, tFile, "/" & tFile
     end repeat
     pGlobalProgress
     revZipCloseArchive tArchive
end doIt


on myZipProgressHandler pArchive, pItem, pType, pItemProgress,  
pItemTotal, pGlobalProgress, pGlobalTotal
     if the endValueSet of scrollbar "dlProgress" <> "true" then
         set the endvalue of scrollbar "dlProgress" to pItemTotal
         set the endValueSet of scrollbar "dlProgress" to true
     end IF
     set the thumbpos of scrollbar "dlProgress" to pItemProgress
     if pItemProgress = pItemTotal then
         set the endValueSet of scrollbar "dlProgress" to false
     end IF
end myZipProgressHandler


produces the expected result - the scrollbar repeats as each item is  
extracted.

However, when changing all

pItemTotal to pGlobalTotal

and all

pItemProgress to pGlobalProgress


results are identical.


As you say, with the global values I would expect the pGlobalTotal  
number to reflect the total archive size, and the pGlobalProgress to  
reflect progress of extracting the entire archive...

A bug? Or is there another syntax that produces the desired result?


On Sep 27, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Anyone have experience with the new ZIP library -- specifically the
> revZipSetProgressCallback command?
>
> The docs say a callback is sent with several parameters, including
> pGlobalProgress.  But the value of this parameter appears to be  
> identical to
> the value of pItemProgress.  I expected "global" to mean the  
> progress of the
> decompressing an entire archive, and "item" refering to individual  
> files
> within the archive.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Thu Sep 20 11:15:34 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:15:34 -0700
Subject: custom "Type-ahead" function
In-Reply-To: <d3c.129dbe72.3422bdca@aol.com>
References: <d3c.129dbe72.3422bdca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59369D9B-27C8-4901-B255-CC24893C8D29@cruzio.com>

Hi Hugh,
I used your code in a game I'm working on porting over from an old  
HyperCard stack I wrote.  Thanks so much for posting it.  I'd have  
never come up with it on my own.

One thing that I've so far been unable to work around is when when  
trying to look ahead to a two word answer... the look-ahead works  
fine... UNLESS the user continues to type past the space... then  
things get balled up.  Have you ever run into this?
Thanks
Mark

On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:00 AM, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> I do so like being able to help without actually having to do  
> anything! I
> also wrote a google-filter someplace (as in using + and - to force  
> includes and
> excludes). Must try and track that one down. It should be in the   
> Scrapbook.
>
> /H
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
> Home of The Scripter's Scrapbook
>
>
>
> On 19 Sept, Ton Kuypers  wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> thats EXACTLY what I ment :-)
> Thanks!
>
> Warm  regards,
>
> Ton Kuypers
>
>
> On 19-sep-07, at 06:05, Mark Swindell  wrote:
>
>> Could this be what you saw?
>> Mark
>>  _____
>>
>> From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Mar  1  10:46:13 2006
>>
>> I use this to progressively auto-fill from a  defined list...
>>
>> Script  for Field or  Combo-button...
>>
>> on keyup k
>> put word 2 of the   selectedChunk into temp
>> put the num of words of char 1 to temp of  me  into w
>> put lineoffset(CR& word w of me, CR& fld  "wordList")  into n
>> get line n of fld "wordList"
>> if it  <>"" then  put it into word w of me
>> -- Select current word  offset
>> put  the num of chars of word 1 to w of me into w
>>  select char (temp) to w  of me
>> end keyup
>>  ________
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Ton Kuypers  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi gang,
>>>
>>> A while ago I saw a  RR stack wich allows me to filter a field with
>>> values of  another field, the more you typed in, the more exact the
>>>  filter worked...
>>> This allows a user to start typing and get somekind  of a "type-
>>> ahead".
>>>
>>> The big problem is,  that I can't seem to find that stack  
>>> anymore :-(
>>>
>>> Anyone  any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm  regards,
>>>
>>> Ton Kuypers
>
>
>
>
>
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From claude.lemmel at wanadoo.fr  Sun Sep 23 14:35:44 2007
From: claude.lemmel at wanadoo.fr (Claude Lemmel)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:35:44 +0200
Subject: cgi + mySQL "revdberr,invalid database type"
In-Reply-To: <20070919170005.79F4848A5B9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070919170005.79F4848A5B9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <op.ty4dxueceityzp@claude-9200>

I have on a linux web server a MySQL database created and managed from my  
desktop Windows computer by a Revolution stack (Vista + revolution/windows  
2.81) ; it works ok.

On the same web server i installed revolution/linux 2.51 as a cgi  
application and it works ok for producing web pages.

Now i try to have my cgi scripts fetching data from my mySQL database.

If i try
put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into  
databaseID
i am answered "revdberr,invalid database type"

For the param myURL, i tried the URL of my site, the IP of my site,  
"localhost" and "", but no one works.

I am sure that the params myBase,myName,myPassword are OK because they  
open succesfully the database from my desktop stack.

I guess that something is wrong in the installation of Revolution on the  
linux server. i CHMODed all revolution files to 755

Was someone successfull in managing a mySQL database from revolution as  
cgi ?

TIA

Claude



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri Sep 28 11:19:07 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:19:07 +0200
Subject: cgi + mySQL "revdberr,invalid database type"
References: <20070919170005.79F4848A5B9@mail.runrev.com>
	<op.ty4dxueceityzp@claude-9200>
Message-ID: <46FD1B6B.3FF87343@club-internet.fr>



Claude,

you need to install the Rev mySQL drivers along with the cgi engine.

JB

> I have on a linux web server a MySQL database created and managed from my
> desktop Windows computer by a Revolution stack (Vista + revolution/windows
> 2.81) ; it works ok.
>
> On the same web server i installed revolution/linux 2.51 as a cgi
> application and it works ok for producing web pages.
>
> Now i try to have my cgi scripts fetching data from my mySQL database.
>
> If i try
> put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",myURL,myBase,myName,myPassword,0) into
> databaseID
> i am answered "revdberr,invalid database type"
>
> For the param myURL, i tried the URL of my site, the IP of my site,
> "localhost" and "", but no one works.
>
> I am sure that the params myBase,myName,myPassword are OK because they
> open succesfully the database from my desktop stack.
>
> I guess that something is wrong in the installation of Revolution on the
> linux server. i CHMODed all revolution files to 755
>
> Was someone successfull in managing a mySQL database from revolution as
> cgi ?
>
> TIA
>
> Claude



From paulgabel at comcast.net  Fri Sep 28 12:40:01 2007
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:40:01 -0700
Subject: Do stacks have controllable levels?
Message-ID: <CFC40A9F-D875-47A1-9FE4-536ED903E33A@comcast.net>

Hello everyone:

A big "thank you" to Ken Ray, Richard Gaskin, Mark Swindell, Scott  
Morrow, and Scott Rossi for your suggestions regarding stack  
"levels." I found something of value in each of your replies. I very  
much appreciate the support I get from the Rev list.

Paul Gabel
Scotts Valley, CA


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 28 14:03:37 2007
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:03:37 -0700
Subject: Decorations or Controls ??
Message-ID: <BAY106-W792687103EF1D99A24AB7D1B20@phx.gbl>

On the stack properties: Basic Properties window my machine refers to Controls and a colleagues machine refers to Decorations.  Both are MacBooks running OS X and both are running Rev Studio2 v2.8.1 Build 472.  Weird..........

So my question is, do you have Decorations or Controls ??

best, Bob...

Bob Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.

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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Sep 28 14:24:41 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:24:41 -0600
Subject: Decorations or Controls ??
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W792687103EF1D99A24AB7D1B20@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W792687103EF1D99A24AB7D1B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <19284C8E-6A88-460F-A45E-0CEA2826EF3F@byu.edu>

Bob,

On Sep 28, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Bob Earp wrote:

> On the stack properties: Basic Properties window my machine refers  
> to Controls and a colleagues machine refers to Decorations.  Both  
> are MacBooks running OS X and both are running Rev Studio2 v2.8.1  
> Build 472.  Weird..........
>
> So my question is, do you have Decorations or Controls ??
>
> best, Bob...

The labels in the property inspector can either be descriptive labels  
or the property names. This is set in Preferences, in the General  
section. There you can set the property labels in the inspector.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Sep 28 16:26:31 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:26:31 -0400
Subject: [OT] my website
Message-ID: <EF0E6CBB-273F-4706-B1F2-4F804BDE2C96@wehostmacs.com>

I took the plunge last night and bought the <shaosean.tk> domain name  
so you should use that to visit my website. There are no more ads  
associated with the domain.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Sep 28 16:55:32 2007
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:55:32 -0300
Subject: [OT] my website
In-Reply-To: <EF0E6CBB-273F-4706-B1F2-4F804BDE2C96@wehostmacs.com>
References: <EF0E6CBB-273F-4706-B1F2-4F804BDE2C96@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10709281355o758b4cefr1b16ce37a93a9a55@mail.gmail.com>

Shao Sean,
congratulations!!!! Nice site and even nicer libraries!

Cheers
andre

On 9/28/07, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
>
> I took the plunge last night and bought the <shaosean.tk> domain name
> so you should use that to visit my website. There are no more ads
> associated with the domain.
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From rjearp at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 28 17:06:12 2007
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:06:12 -0700
Subject: dateItems (also see Controls or Decorations)
Message-ID: <BAY106-W196222960F3FDE3C26CD8CD1B20@phx.gbl>

Just found another oddity with two machines running proportedly the same version of Rev.  On one machine (the one that shows "Decorations" instead of "Controls") keyword dateItems does not appear in the documentation and does not work.  On the other machine it does.  Go figure........

If anybody else is running build 472 and is not seeing dateItems then I'll post it as a bug.  Please let me know

BTW, we did check for updates to Rev and it reports no updates are available.

best, Bob....

Bob Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Sep 28 17:17:00 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:17:00 +0200
Subject: Decorations or Controls ??
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W792687103EF1D99A24AB7D1B20@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W792687103EF1D99A24AB7D1B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6C159084-F343-4EA2-823B-09236CC0F8C6@economy-x-talk.com>

Bob,

In the preferences, you can determine whether you want descriptions  
or names of properties to be displayed in the properties inspector.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 28-sep-2007, om 20:03 heeft Bob Earp het volgende geschreven:

> On the stack properties: Basic Properties window my machine refers  
> to Controls and a colleagues machine refers to Decorations.  Both  
> are MacBooks running OS X and both are running Rev Studio2 v2.8.1  
> Build 472.  Weird..........
>
> So my question is, do you have Decorations or Controls ??
>
> best, Bob...
>
> Bob Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 28 17:19:54 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:19:54 -0700
Subject: Importing MS Word files
Message-ID: <46FD6FFA.9030201@fourthworld.com>

Have any of you written anything to parse MS Word files into a form 
usable in Rev?

For the last several versions MS has been using XML for Word, so 
conceivably it would be tedious but not impossible to write a handler 
which would take a Word file and return htmlText for all the portions 
which are relevant in Rev (font, size, bold, italic, strikethough, etc.).

Anyone here done that?

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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri Sep 28 18:31:17 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:31:17 -0700
Subject: Problem building stand alone database application using database
 query builder
Message-ID: <46FD80B5.3030908@castandcrew.com>

Greetings,

Wondering if anyone can shed some light on this problem?

Context

In the past building database apps I have coded everything, meaning, 
scripted the database connection, the queries to add, modify, delete, 
search, etc.  They work.

Problem

This time I'm trying to build a simple app following the example in the 
database tutorial using the query builder, then selecting the actions 
from the pull down list and connecting them to buttons.  As long as I am 
running this application in the IDE, it works fine.

When I save it as a stand alone exe under Windows, it doesn't work any 
more (meaning, nothing happens when I press the buttons, it isn't 
connected to the database).  I have made sure that all database stuff is 
included in the standalone set up.

I do receive some error messages but I think they are irrelevant since I 
am not on a Mac

1    MacOS, database driver folder not found: "C:/Program 
Files/Revolution Enterprise/2.7.4-gm-1/Runtime/Mac OS 
X/Universal/Externals/Database Drivers/dboracle.bundle"
2    MacOS, database driver folder not found: "C:/Program 
Files/Revolution Enterprise/2.7.4-gm-1/Runtime/Mac OS 
X/Universal/Externals/Database Drivers/VXCMD_macho.bundle"

Solution???

Thank you in advance, anyone, for any suggestions.

Regards,
Sadhu


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Sep 28 23:17:50 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:17:50 -0400
Subject: [OT] my website
Message-ID: <101409B4-33D3-48F2-8314-7AEA908A4BBF@wehostmacs.com>

Thanks for the kind word Andre, but it seems I have too much of a  
life compared to that lean mean external writing machine who has been  
releasing nifty externals lately ;-)


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Sep 29 00:00:13 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:00:13 -0700
Subject: Importing MS Word files
In-Reply-To: <46FD6FFA.9030201@fourthworld.com>
References: <46FD6FFA.9030201@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c3237c205da0@[192.168.1.115]>

I think there was a thread on this about a month ago; there was a 
link to a site where a developer writes about the experience. 
Appearantly MS's version of XML is totally strange and broken. Yet MS 
is pushing ISO for standardization.

There seem to be a lot of converters on the net, though, including 
Python and there's a SDK available.
Could be a nightmare to write.

>Have any of you written anything to parse MS Word files into a form 
>usable in Rev?
>
>For the last several versions MS has been using XML for Word, so 
>conceivably it would be tedious but not impossible to write a 
>handler which would take a Word file and return htmlText for all the 
>portions which are relevant in Rev (font, size, bold, italic, 
>strikethough, etc.).
>
>Anyone here done that?
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation

-- 


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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Sat Sep 29 05:25:38 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:25:38 +0200
Subject: Rawkeydown and the mouse wheel
References: <3f07cc260709271421t19d1a524n37bad201c42b1774@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46FE1A0F.CCD025D2@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

are the rawkeydown key codes 65308 / 65309 similar on Mac and XP ?
(I don't have any mousewheel to test on Mac).

Thanks,
JB




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Sep 29 05:26:35 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:26:35 +0200
Subject: Rawkeydown and the mouse wheel
In-Reply-To: <46FE1A0F.CCD025D2@club-internet.fr>
References: <3f07cc260709271421t19d1a524n37bad201c42b1774@mail.gmail.com>
	<46FE1A0F.CCD025D2@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <5A4DD7DF-E004-4672-8E8F-0D0C605CCB9E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Short answer: yes.

Le 29 sept. 07 ? 11:25, jbv a ?crit :

> Hi list,
>
> are the rawkeydown key codes 65308 / 65309 similar on Mac and XP ?
> (I don't have any mousewheel to test on Mac).


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Sep 29 08:20:47 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:20:47 +0300
Subject: proportional resizing group of graphics
In-Reply-To: <5A4DD7DF-E004-4672-8E8F-0D0C605CCB9E@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc260709271421t19d1a524n37bad201c42b1774@mail.gmail.com>	<46FE1A0F.CCD025D2@club-internet.fr>
	<5A4DD7DF-E004-4672-8E8F-0D0C605CCB9E@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <46FE431F.8090301@ekoinf.net>

is there any property that allows proportional resizing of grouped 
graphics when group's size changes. Or all one can do is setting width 
and height of each and every graphic within the group from within a script ?

Making a world map with countries represented by polygons. Now trying to 
figure out what is the best way to make it zoomable :-)

Best regards
Viktoras


From bvg at mac.com  Sat Sep 29 09:36:50 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:36:50 +0200
Subject: proportional resizing group of graphics
In-Reply-To: <46FE431F.8090301@ekoinf.net>
References: <3f07cc260709271421t19d1a524n37bad201c42b1774@mail.gmail.com>
	<46FE1A0F.CCD025D2@club-internet.fr>
	<5A4DD7DF-E004-4672-8E8F-0D0C605CCB9E@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<46FE431F.8090301@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <ee6137c663f81b0621d1e867c8594081@mac.com>

Any chance of sharing  the country generation code? I am trying to 
generate random maps myself.

Resizing polygons of unknown size, all in the same aspect is a somewhat 
complicated matter. Here some random thoughts of mine:

You could multiply all dimensions by a modifier, and then the original 
location by the same multiplier:

put the loc of graphic 1 into theLoc
set the width of graphic 1 to the width of graphic 1 div 2
set the height of graphic 1 to the height of graphic 1 div 2
set the Loc of graphic 1 to item 1 of theLoc div 2, item 2 of theLoc 
div 2

If you want to size them to an arbitrary size, you need to know the 
total width and height of all polygons combined, and then find out what 
ratio the new total size produces (If you don't need perfect precision, 
you can also group all your polygons, and get the size of that group, 
which will give you an approximation of the size of all polygons 
combined):

put 100 into oldWidth
put 50 into oldHeight
put 40 into newWidth
-- 40/100= 0.4 (ratio)
-- 0.4 * 50 = 20 (newHeight)
put round(newWidth / oldWidth * oldHeight) into newHeight

If you want the result to be pixel precise, it's best to store the 
points of the polygons in a multiple of any actually shown size, to 
reduce rounding/trunctuation problems.

If you have AnimationEngine from Malte, you can use the aspect... 
handlers.

For speed, lock screen once then set all polygons. Alternatively, you 
can get the points of your polygon, multiply all entries by your ratio, 
and then set the points of the polygon to that. This might be faster 
then resizing visual objects (untested).

Hope this will get you thinking (and that I haven't made any grave 
thinking errors)
Bjoernke

On 29 Sep 2007, at 14:20, viktoras didziulis wrote:

> is there any property that allows proportional resizing of grouped 
> graphics when group's size changes. Or all one can do is setting width 
> and height of each and every graphic within the group from within a 
> script ?
>
> Making a world map with countries represented by polygons. Now trying 
> to figure out what is the best way to make it zoomable :-)
>
> Best regards
> Viktoras

-- 

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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Sep 29 10:51:00 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:51:00 +0300
Subject: proportional resizing group of graphics
In-Reply-To: <ee6137c663f81b0621d1e867c8594081@mac.com>
References: <3f07cc260709271421t19d1a524n37bad201c42b1774@mail.gmail.com>	<46FE1A0F.CCD025D2@club-internet.fr>	<5A4DD7DF-E004-4672-8E8F-0D0C605CCB9E@sosmartsoftware.com>	<46FE431F.8090301@ekoinf.net>
	<ee6137c663f81b0621d1e867c8594081@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46FE6654.3050309@ekoinf.net>

Thanks, Bjoernke!

I naively expected an existing but yet undiscovered possibility for the 
group and its contents to behave like window on resize by setting 
properties in geometry manager. So the answer turned out to be "no-no" - 
need scripting for this...

Actually the map contains European, North African and Levantine 
countries and then oceans and continents for the rest of the world. As a 
backdrop I use public domain map from the CIA factbook converted to png 
(originally it is in pdf): 
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/refmaps.html

There was an idea about extraction of country polygons from shapefile - 
but then these have to be thinned, reprojected to match my backdrop 
(which is in Robinson projection) , etc, etc, etc... Finally I ended up 
drawing polygons manually - well, couple of days of work, not too long. 
Map's stack communicates with a database and either shows or hides 
polygons whose identifiers are fetched from the database in a query 
result like:

repeat foreach item identifier in dbOut
set the visible of graphic identifier to true
end repeat

of course all the polygons have to be "switched off" before this in 
another cycle. That's all to it...

Now trying to smoothly and eye-candilly (with zoom out/in animation) 
switch perspective from Europe to Entire world and vice versa without 
messing the polygons on  the map.

Thanks again for your help and Regards!
Viktoras







Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> Any chance of sharing  the country generation code? I am trying to 
> generate random maps myself.
>
> Resizing polygons of unknown size, all in the same aspect is a 
> somewhat complicated matter. Here some random thoughts of mine:
>
> You could multiply all dimensions by a modifier, and then the original 
> location by the same multiplier:
>
> put the loc of graphic 1 into theLoc
> set the width of graphic 1 to the width of graphic 1 div 2
> set the height of graphic 1 to the height of graphic 1 div 2
> set the Loc of graphic 1 to item 1 of theLoc div 2, item 2 of theLoc 
> div 2
>
> If you want to size them to an arbitrary size, you need to know the 
> total width and height of all polygons combined, and then find out 
> what ratio the new total size produces (If you don't need perfect 
> precision, you can also group all your polygons, and get the size of 
> that group, which will give you an approximation of the size of all 
> polygons combined):
>
> put 100 into oldWidth
> put 50 into oldHeight
> put 40 into newWidth
> -- 40/100= 0.4 (ratio)
> -- 0.4 * 50 = 20 (newHeight)
> put round(newWidth / oldWidth * oldHeight) into newHeight
>
> If you want the result to be pixel precise, it's best to store the 
> points of the polygons in a multiple of any actually shown size, to 
> reduce rounding/trunctuation problems.
>
> If you have AnimationEngine from Malte, you can use the aspect... 
> handlers.
>
> For speed, lock screen once then set all polygons. Alternatively, you 
> can get the points of your polygon, multiply all entries by your 
> ratio, and then set the points of the polygon to that. This might be 
> faster then resizing visual objects (untested).
>
> Hope this will get you thinking (and that I haven't made any grave 
> thinking errors)
> Bjoernke
>
> On 29 Sep 2007, at 14:20, viktoras didziulis wrote:
>
>> is there any property that allows proportional resizing of grouped 
>> graphics when group's size changes. Or all one can do is setting 
>> width and height of each and every graphic within the group from 
>> within a script ?
>>
>> Making a world map with countries represented by polygons. Now trying 
>> to figure out what is the best way to make it zoomable :-)
>>
>> Best regards
>> Viktoras
>



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 29 14:15:33 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:15:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Rawkeydown and the mouse wheel
Message-ID: <383660.50773.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes:

Forward Scroll : 65309

Back Scroll: 65308

and they show up with my "Key Namer" stack
(RevOnline); which
surpised me!

Love, Richmond



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From curry at pair.com  Sat Sep 29 20:19:30 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:19:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Importing MS Word files
Message-ID: <33777.69.242.141.223.1191111570.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com>


I have been looking into this and would like to take a shot at making a
library for the basics of reading in Word XML files, for a reasonable
price--not more than $50--if I can be sure of a few users who need it.

Curry

--

Richard Gaskin:
>Have any of you written anything to parse MS Word files
>into a form usable in Rev?



From bvg at mac.com  Sat Sep 29 21:21:44 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:21:44 +0200
Subject: Importing MS Word files
In-Reply-To: <33777.69.242.141.223.1191111570.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com>
References: <33777.69.242.141.223.1191111570.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com>
Message-ID: <7c6fe8081b3e408b2252c16e13a56581@mac.com>

I don't need it now, but if it works simple and stable,  it'd be 
something I'd pay for, to have it when the need arises.

On the other hand, everything I have read up to now seems to imply that 
Microsoft does not want anyone to meddle with these files, and making 
an interpreter is not really feasible due to that. Not that I have 
looked into it much...

Bj?rnke

On 30 Sep 2007, at 02:19, curry at pair.com wrote:

>
> I have been looking into this and would like to take a shot at making a
> library for the basics of reading in Word XML files, for a reasonable
> price--not more than $50--if I can be sure of a few users who need it.
>
> Curry
>
> --
>
> Richard Gaskin:
>> Have any of you written anything to parse MS Word files
>> into a form usable in Rev?

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From curry at pair.com  Sun Sep 30 06:14:14 2007
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:14:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Importing MS Word files
Message-ID: <53444.69.242.156.184.1191147254.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com>

Thanks for the encouragement I've received from several people. I've
started on the Word XML library.

Best,

Curry