A Public Note to Mark Wieder and the Rev list:

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Brian, Stephen,

> If someone did something like this to me - I'd be REALLY pissed.
> Josh, perhaps you really should consider legal action if your loss  
> is a big as you say.

I have been victim of libel and defamatory comments myself, with  
effects a lot more damaging than the ones Josh complained about.

No, you don't get pissed of. Yes, of course, anger will kick in.  
However, it is *very* important to never allow yourself to react out  
of anger. This is the best way to kill your business. The first thing  
to do is to take in the information that the other person felt  
cheated and seriously consider wether the problem couldn't be  
resolved by taking the initiative to be the first one apologizing  
rather than expect the other one to do so.

What you do, before taking the person to court is look for mediation  
and try to solve the problem amicably.  Yes, off-list.

And *if* the problem cannot be solved that way, what you do is take  
legal actions and get everything taken care of off list. Making your  
problems public is the best way to damage your business. Guilty or  
innocent, you always appear guilty.

That's it. End of comments.

Marielle

IF....

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

<http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm>