From bridgeyman at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 00:04:51 2006 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:04:51 -0600 Subject: Communicate with stepper motors? In-Reply-To: <112100183305.20060831151305@ahsoftware.net> References: <20060830190412.2985882516E@mail.runrev.com> <4D9DC296-4DC3-444A-8CA8-741106C33FCD@maseurope.net> <44F71783.4040007@comcast.net> <112100183305.20060831151305@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <86ae76bb0608312104w49966f89s1ed28daa815e5ce7@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I have been working with the BASIC stamp from Parallax. It is a micro controller and can control a few I/O switches. The language that you program in is called PBASIC. It is a simplified version of the BASIC language that the stamp understands and has a few commands that are specifically made for the micro controller. Maybe this is what your friend was talking about. So far I have been using the Parallax BASIC editor to make and load programs to the stamp, but once it has the program is has been EXTREMELY easy to talk to the stamp with Revolution via COM ports and give it parameters that it has been programmed to wait for, such as a position for a stepper motor. It may even be possible to write a program that will compile script and load it to the stamp, I haven't tried though. Just another option that you might want to look at. This process is pretty easy to do (I am 15 and I have handled it so it can't be that terribly difficult) and has a lot of potential for controlling custom devices. TTFN Bridgeyman From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 02:46:35 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:46:35 -0700 Subject: Standalone OS X Apps in 2.7.3 - Default Button Broken In-Reply-To: References: <70ed6b130608311440t319e272l49b58ce4cedf29f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70ed6b130608312346p18d870f0k7507f731be78a3f5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Sarah. Now if I can just remember to add that script to the stack scripts of all my apps. Too soon old, too late smart. Dan On 8/31/06, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > On 9/1/06, Dan Shafer wrote: > > I'm probably not searching by the right set of criteria, so there may be > a > > BZ on this but I wanted to confirm this is a known issue. > > > > If I create a standalone app for OS X using 2.7.3, the default button > comes > > out looking like the old Classic (OS9) default button rather than the > new > > throbbing blue one. Not to say I wouldn't actually *prefer* the older > > button, but it's clearly wrong. > > > > Is this a known issue? Any fix or workaround or am I forced once again > back > > to 2.6.1 because of stuff RR broke when moving to the 2.7 family? > > > As Ken says, it is a known issue with the plugins folder not being > copied over. In fairness to RunRev, I use 2 computers and this only > happens on one of them, so I don't know what makes it fail. > > Anyway, I recently posted a script for OS X that you can use to > automate the process yourself, and it has the extra benefit of using > "touch" to make the custom icon appear in a newly created standalone. > > > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 1 07:05:28 2006 From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:05:28 -0400 Subject: Screen Refresh Problem Message-ID: <0EF2C941-5D8A-40DC-BA31-D6A33C1BE51D@sbcglobal.net> Jacqueline, Thanks for the suggestion. That particular solution won't work for me this time, but I appreciate that you took the time to write. I did discover a way around this. After making sure that the lockscreen property is false, I issued another lock screen/unlock screen, and the screen refreshed itself. Thanks! John Miller From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Sep 1 12:41:03 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:41:03 -0700 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? Message-ID: <44F8629F.5070107@fourthworld.com> With only 2 posts to this list over what is usually the busiest 10-hour period, it has me wondering: am I the only person who didn't go to Burning Man? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From sims at ezpzapps.com Fri Sep 1 12:38:41 2006 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:38:41 +0200 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? In-Reply-To: <44F8629F.5070107@fourthworld.com> References: <44F8629F.5070107@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: At 9:41 AM -0700 9/1/06, Richard Gaskin wrote: >With only 2 posts to this list over what is usually the busiest 10-hour >period, it has me wondering: am I the only person who didn't go to >Burning Man? Nope, I'm here in Malta. In fact, I've spent most of today planning the European Rev Conference that is going to be held in November. ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006 www.techietours.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Sep 1 13:07:50 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:07:50 -0700 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? In-Reply-To: <44F8629F.5070107@fourthworld.com> References: <44F8629F.5070107@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <169168267636.20060901100750@ahsoftware.net> Richard- Friday, September 1, 2006, 9:41:03 AM, you wrote: > With only 2 posts to this list over what is usually the busiest 10-hour > period, it has me wondering: am I the only person who didn't go to > Burning Man? ...and for everyone who couldn't make it to the Playa this year, you can watch the burn live at 9PM PST Saturday... the theme for this year is "The Future: Hope and Fear", and that's an on-topic subject if there ever was one... http://www.current.tv/burningman/ -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Fri Sep 1 13:27:52 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:27:52 -0700 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? In-Reply-To: <44F8629F.5070107@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Could be that all the activity is at the forum... Or that we have reached the point where we know all we need to know about programming and computers and Revolution Jim Ault Las Vegas On 9/1/06 9:41 AM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: > With only 2 posts to this list over what is usually the busiest 10-hour > period, it has me wondering: am I the only person who didn't go to > Burning Man? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Sep 1 13:46:18 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:46:18 -0700 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? Message-ID: <44F871EA.1090909@fourthworld.com> Jim Ault wrote: > Could be that all the activity is at the forum... Nope. The forums have a fraction of the audience this list has, and they've no new posts either. > Or that we have reached the point where we know all we need to know about > programming and computers and Revolution Could be. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From katir at hindu.org Fri Sep 1 04:44:03 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:44:03 -1000 Subject: Subject: Re: more on the recorder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F7F2D3.4040709@hindu.org> Rand: I sent you some samples off list. Here's one way to go. First guideline: don't touch the recordInput... Let Rev and the OS figure it out. They seem to have no problem with that but they do have problems if you try to set it. Right, I know... "why is it a settable option then if it's going to break your recording..." Don't go there (smile). This is from the school of WHEW (WHatEverWorks) Performs on both Mac and Windows. It's optimized to produce the smallest file possible that is still decent in terms of quality. I tried dozens of other options, and like you, most of them I could never get to work. The documentation is rather a mine field on this one... we need a chart or matrix of all possible config options that fit together and work. This config does work though and it still works in 2.7.3. This implementation is for voice mail attachments to emails i.e. -- "ephemeral" -- thus the deletion of the previous recording in the fixed location--avoids a dialog box asking for a file name and save location. on mouseUp set the recordcompression to "raw " set the recordRate to 8 set the recordSampleSize to 16 set the recordformat to "wave" set the uCurrentFile of this stack to specialFolderPath("temporary") & "/" & fld "filename" & ".wav" if there is a file the uCurrentFile of this stack then delete file the uCurrentFile of this stack record sound file the uCurrentFile of this stack end mouseUp If others are interested I'll post the stack to revOnline... original concept ala Andre Garzia alias "We can do it!" Stephan Barncard "The Sound Man" may have more to say, if you want better quality. He helped me tweak this one. Sivakatirswami rand valentine wrote: > Thanks to the people who have given me information about recording sound in > Revolution on both mac and pc. The bottom line for me is that it doesn't > seem remotely work _at all_. While I was able to get something to work on my > g4 laptop initially (by using the imic input and playing with the system > settings independently), now nothing works, all I get are super, super slow > unrecognizable recordings, whether the recordinput is imic, emic or dflt. I > wonder why this is, and why such an important function is in such bad shape. > I'm using 2.7.2. For those of us who use runrev to produce language > materials, this capacity to record in the program is quite important, since > it provides a means for students to compare their pronunciations with those > of native speakers (by just recording the student and then a&b-ing the > student's sound and the native speaker's) > > rand valentine > u of wisconsin-madison > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From tguimond at rcn.com Fri Sep 1 15:37:07 2006 From: tguimond at rcn.com (TimG) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:37:07 -0400 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? References: <20060901170004.535AE826527@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <000901c6cdfe$0316a200$6801a8c0@MORDOR> Maybe everyone just left early for the long Labor Day weekend. Tim From alptex2 at orwell.net Fri Sep 1 16:18:19 2006 From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:18:19 -0400 Subject: Communicate with stepper motors? In-Reply-To: <44F71783.4040007@comcast.net> References: <20060830190412.2985882516E@mail.runrev.com> <4D9DC296-4DC3-444A-8CA8-741106C33FCD@maseurope.net> <44F71783.4040007@comcast.net> Message-ID: Marty, I LOVE using steppers in machinery and fixtures around my company. You can use Rev very nicely to control them. Here's the approach I've taken... I prefer to use an existing controller. I have a lot of experience with a particular brand called "SimpleStep" (www.simplestep.com). They are expensive, but I simply don't care. One machine we designed and built years ago cost us about $15,000...$400 of which went for 2 boards from this company. This single machine has resulted in close to $250K of sales over the years. I wouldn't care if the boards cost me 10x what they did. They're solid...never skip a beat...are simple to use and have a very rich set of features. Now, if you want a less costly controller (plus oodles more widget "stuff")...there is a new player that I've gotten some early release info from...you can find them at www.copelandelectronics.com. If you prefer to write your own low level stuff and create your own controller...you're a better man (or...person) that I! ;=) On motors, I prefer Sanyo-Denki. Dunno why...but I've never had the tiniest of problems with them. You can find steppers at places like Jameco electronics...also a good source for cheap controllers and kits. Just remember...as usual...you'll probably get what you pay for! Now the fun starts...I've used Rev to control these boards via serial. But, I prefer using sockets...so I get one of those Ethernet to Serial convertors (specifically "SitePlayer Telnet" from NetMedia) and use the Rev socket commands. This allows me to control a few machines from a single app. It's all personal taste from here...it really depends on the machine and the environment. That's my 2 cents! Hope it helps. Best Regards, Timothy R. Ponn tponn at alptex.com On Aug 31, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > I was talking with a guy yesterday who said that using Basic you > could use the printer port on Windows to talk to a stepper motor. I > know pretty much nothing about robotics (or communicating through > ports for that matter). Does anyone know if this is possible with > Rev? I read through the docs and could see that one can read from > and write data to com ports and LPT ports, but wouldn't a stepper > motor just need electrical pulses sent to it? > > I realize I'm revealing my ignorance to the world here, but any > help would be appreciated. > > Marty Knapp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Fri Sep 1 17:24:14 2006 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:24:14 +0200 Subject: encode text to image Message-ID: <44F8A4FE.7040609@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Thu Aug 31, 2006, Dar Scott dsc at swcp.com wrote: > > Maybe I am missing something very simple here, but all variations I > > tried with the "text" property failed.- > > I don't see it on Rev 2.7.3 on G4 with OS X 2.7.3 even after going to > another card and back. > > Could there be some setting of paintCompression that affects this? > > There is a bug in which some images do not render correctly and a bug > in which some lose transparency on card changes. Maybe those are > related. > > Maybe there is an unexpected formatting option in an imported image. > > Dar Thanks Dar for the information, I finally succeeded to some extent: The "text of image" property apparently does not work in the MC IDE, regardless of which engine is used, old or new ones - from 2.4 to 2.7.3. I prefer to develop in the Metacard IDE, especially when dealing with imagedata, among other reasons because the execution of scripts for imagedata handling is markedly slower in the Rev IDE, up to 45 % slower with some scripts than in the MC IDE. It is possible to get some sort of "text of image" data in the MC IDE ( "put the text of image X into imagetext" or "into fld "Imagetext""), but setting the text of the image again to the extracted imagetext data results in a blank picture as I reported in my earlier post. Additionally, the image becomes fully transparent. You have to set the alphadata of the image to opaque to make it visible again, and it then shows as a monochrome picture with color values apparently dependant on the structure of the vanished image. You get all kinds of monochrome colors ranging from black to white or shades of any colors. I succeeded with the Rev IDE - using the same engines as before - so I have to conclude that the "text of image"-property is at least partially handled somewhere in the IDE. The same holds for standalones. The behaviors in the MC and Rev standalones are identical to those in the IDEs, meaning that the relevant part of the Rev IDE is added to the Rev standalone. As far as I tested it, no differences come up between MacOS and Windows in these respects. There is one difference between Rev IDE and Rev standalone: The chars of the retrieved text of the image are displayed differently. Another limitation this time holding both for Metacard and Revolution: When I import new images into the stack - I tried with PNG and JPG files of various sizes and compression ratio - their "text of image"-data are invariably *empty* here!! Only after manipulating the imagedata of the image (or storing it and restoring it from the imagedata) any "text of image"-data are accessible. Text-of-image data in Rev, when displayed in a field, show "PNG" as chars 2 to 4, irrespective of the prior format of the images, i.e. it doesn't matter if they are JPG or PNG images or are images created from scratch by setting the imagedata to some color pattern. In the MC IDE this header "PNG" never appears when text-of-image data are extracted from an image.-- So what could be the benefits of using text-of-image data instead of "imagedata"? One thing I noticed is that restoring an image from text data is somewhat faster than using imgedata. Otherwise I see no advantage. The imagedata of an image of the same width and height are always the same in terms of the number of chars. With text-of-image data the numbers of chars differ with each image, making it impossible to manipulate the text-of-image data in a consistent way like I am able to do with image data (filters, mirroring, creating new images etc. etc.) like I have implemented it in my forthcoming "Imagedata Toolkit". I had underestimated the time to complete a presentable version of that toolkit that comprises about 200 options to manipulate imagedata and I needed to explore a number of ideas I choose to integrate in that toolkit. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From dsc at swcp.com Fri Sep 1 18:48:39 2006 From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:48:39 -0600 Subject: encode text to image In-Reply-To: <44F8A4FE.7040609@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <44F8A4FE.7040609@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <46A88BA5-E381-43D0-8FD9-A05BA4632148@swcp.com> On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > Text-of-image data in Rev, when displayed in a field, show "PNG" as > chars 2 to 4, irrespective of the prior format of the images, i.e. > it doesn't matter if they are JPG or PNG images or are images > created from scratch by setting the imagedata to some color > pattern. In the MC IDE this header "PNG" never appears when text-of- > image data are extracted from an image.-- This sure looks like a property is set by the IDE. > So what could be the benefits of using text-of-image data instead > of "imagedata"? > One thing I noticed is that restoring an image from text data is > somewhat faster than using imgedata. Otherwise I see no advantage. Well, setting it is also simpler. To set the image with image data, you need to clear 'the text', set the size, set the image data and then set the alpha data. Or did I get the order wrong or leave out any steps? > The imagedata of an image of the same width and height are always > the same in terms of the number of chars. With text-of-image data > the numbers of chars differ with each image, making it impossible > to manipulate the text-of-image data in a consistent way like I am > able to do with image data (filters, mirroring, creating new images > etc. etc.) like I have implemented it in my forthcoming "Imagedata > Toolkit". I had underestimated the time to complete a presentable > version of that toolkit that comprises about 200 options to > manipulate imagedata and I needed to explore a number of ideas I > choose to integrate in that toolkit. I agree. The imageData is easier to manipulate and to convert-to- from alternate forms. I look forward to hearing about "Imagedata Toolkit"! Dar Scott From chipp at chipp.com Sat Sep 2 03:30:38 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:30:38 -0500 Subject: Call for Media Viewer Test: Windows Users Especially In-Reply-To: <44F6A669.8000308@hindu.org> References: <44F6A669.8000308@hindu.org> Message-ID: <7aa52a210609020030y2340b95agfd92afdbb26d054a@mail.gmail.com> Crashed on my WinXP machine. Started loading, then started playing a bit, then Rev crashed. From laurent at ostiz.com Sat Sep 2 06:47:11 2006 From: laurent at ostiz.com (Laurent Ostiz) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:47:11 +0200 Subject: Quicktime Pro fullscreen Message-ID: <9F1C4BD8-B051-46D5-82BC-5DAE9520574F@ostiz.com> Hi ! I am doing a kind of movie player (which lists movies stored on a folder on disk) and I am wondering how to play that movie full screen with controls and then returning to a card ? I own quicktime Pro and I am on an Intel MacBook Pro. I have search on player properties (perhaps I missed something) and did not find any propertie that can respond to this. Any help, advice or demo stack ? Best regards Laurent From psahores at easynet.fr Sat Sep 2 07:35:30 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:35:30 +0200 Subject: Galaxy tools and tips In-Reply-To: <51E6B95F-0A1A-4964-996B-D597FEBC8225@daniels-mara.com> References: <44E0D1E7.000003.01880@CALSBIGPC> <9F160733-48FF-4B1A-9D3C-05188E9D4457@wanadoo.fr> <51E6B95F-0A1A-4964-996B-D597FEBC8225@daniels-mara.com> Message-ID: <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> Dear Jerry, I'm just too happy to start my first Rev*Galaxy project. I'm running the Studio v 1.0.2 issue under Rev Entreprise 2.7.3 build 278. Picking around to find the "comment/uncomment script handler's lines option", i just don't see it. How to do to get hand on this ? Thanks for providing us this soo powerfull IDE, Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Sep 2 07:37:50 2006 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:37:50 +0200 Subject: Quicktime Pro fullscreen In-Reply-To: <9F1C4BD8-B051-46D5-82BC-5DAE9520574F@ostiz.com> References: <9F1C4BD8-B051-46D5-82BC-5DAE9520574F@ostiz.com> Message-ID: Hi Laurent, You can make a new stack with a player. Set the rect of the stack to the screenrect and set the rect of the player to the rect of the card. No need for QuickTime Pro. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 2-sep-2006, om 12:47 heeft Laurent Ostiz het volgende geschreven: > Hi ! > > I am doing a kind of movie player (which lists movies stored on a > folder on disk) and I am wondering how to play that movie full > screen with controls and then returning to a card ? I own quicktime > Pro and I am on an Intel MacBook Pro. I have search on player > properties (perhaps I missed something) and did not find any > propertie that can respond to this. Any help, advice or demo stack ? > > Best regards > > Laurent From psahores at easynet.fr Sat Sep 2 07:48:14 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:48:14 +0200 Subject: Galaxy tools and tips In-Reply-To: <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> References: <44E0D1E7.000003.01880@CALSBIGPC> <9F160733-48FF-4B1A-9D3C-05188E9D4457@wanadoo.fr> <51E6B95F-0A1A-4964-996B-D597FEBC8225@daniels-mara.com> <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> Message-ID: Sorry for the question ! I found all i need in the "format script menu items" ! Best, Pierre Le 2 sept. 06 ? 13:35, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > Dear Jerry, > > I'm just too happy to start my first Rev*Galaxy project. I'm > running the Studio v 1.0.2 issue under Rev Entreprise 2.7.3 build > 278. Picking around to find the "comment/uncomment script handler's > lines option", i just don't see it. How to do to get hand on this ? > > Thanks for providing us this soo powerfull IDE, > > Best Regards, > -- > Pierre Sahores > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From shari at gypsyware.com Sat Sep 2 09:53:52 2006 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:53:52 -0400 Subject: Am I in the right place? Message-ID: I've just signed up for the Revolution list, and haven't seen any posts. So I am sending one to find out if I am in the right place. Shari Gypsy King Software -- Mac and Windows shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com From shari at gypsyware.com Sat Sep 2 10:02:25 2006 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:02:25 -0400 Subject: Am I in the right place? Message-ID: Something must be amiss... I did not get my own post sent back to me. So I've added this list to my buddy list and am trying again. If anybody sees this and is on the Metacard list, please let me know that my outgoing mails are making it to the list. Thank you! -- prev post -- I've just signed up for the Revolution list, and haven't seen any posts. So I am sending one to find out if I am in the right place. Shari Gypsy King Software -- Mac and Windows shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Sat Sep 2 10:02:29 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:02:29 -0700 Subject: Galaxy tools and tips In-Reply-To: <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> References: <44E0D1E7.000003.01880@CALSBIGPC> <9F160733-48FF-4B1A-9D3C-05188E9D4457@wanadoo.fr> <51E6B95F-0A1A-4964-996B-D597FEBC8225@daniels-mara.com> <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> Message-ID: <877BA4FE-F9F5-435D-9ACD-1DB4D5B18C59@mangomultimedia.com> On Sep 2, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > I'm just too happy to start my first Rev*Galaxy project. I'm > running the Studio v 1.0.2 issue under Rev Entreprise 2.7.3 build > 278. Picking around to find the "comment/uncomment script handler's > lines option", i just don't see it. How to do to get hand on this ? > > Thanks for providing us this soo powerfull IDE, Hi Pierre, I see you found what you were looking for but just wanted to point out that if you sign up for the BaseCamp support site for Galaxy Studio (email Jerry about this) then you can download the latest release candidate for 1.0.3. This has all sorts of enhancements, performance improvements and bug fixes that users have requested. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com trevor at bluemangolearning.com From mark at maseurope.net Sat Sep 2 10:08:25 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:08:25 +0100 Subject: Am I in the right place? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shari, you are in the right place. It's just unusually quiet at the moment - maybe the holiday weekend? Best, Mark On 2 Sep 2006, at 15:02, Shari wrote: > Something must be amiss... I did not get my own post sent back to > me. So I've added this list to my buddy list and am trying again. > > If anybody sees this and is on the Metacard list, please let me > know that my outgoing mails are making it to the list. Thank you! > > -- prev post -- > > I've just signed up for the Revolution list, and haven't seen any > posts. So I am sending one to find out if I am in the right place. > > Shari > Gypsy King Software > -- > Mac and Windows shareware games > http://www.gypsyware.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at easynet.fr Sat Sep 2 10:30:13 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:30:13 +0200 Subject: Galaxy tools and tips In-Reply-To: <877BA4FE-F9F5-435D-9ACD-1DB4D5B18C59@mangomultimedia.com> References: <44E0D1E7.000003.01880@CALSBIGPC> <9F160733-48FF-4B1A-9D3C-05188E9D4457@wanadoo.fr> <51E6B95F-0A1A-4964-996B-D597FEBC8225@daniels-mara.com> <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> <877BA4FE-F9F5-435D-9ACD-1DB4D5B18C59@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: Hello Trevor, Thanks for the tip ! I will get the 1.0.3 final as soon as she will be up but, for yet, i mainly appreciate how much Galaxy makes my rev time easier ; i don't spend lots of time with "beta" software issues, probably because i have offen enought to do to polish each app i provide to my own customers ;-) Kind Regards, Pierre Le 2 sept. 06 ? 16:02, Trevor DeVore a ?crit : > On Sep 2, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> I'm just too happy to start my first Rev*Galaxy project. I'm >> running the Studio v 1.0.2 issue under Rev Entreprise 2.7.3 build >> 278. Picking around to find the "comment/uncomment script >> handler's lines option", i just don't see it. How to do to get >> hand on this ? >> >> Thanks for providing us this soo powerfull IDE, > > Hi Pierre, > > I see you found what you were looking for but just wanted to point > out that if you sign up for the BaseCamp support site for Galaxy > Studio (email Jerry about this) then you can download the latest > release candidate for 1.0.3. This has all sorts of enhancements, > performance improvements and bug fixes that users have requested. > > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com > trevor at bluemangolearning.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Sat Sep 2 10:38:37 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:38:37 -0700 Subject: Galaxy tools and tips In-Reply-To: References: <44E0D1E7.000003.01880@CALSBIGPC> <9F160733-48FF-4B1A-9D3C-05188E9D4457@wanadoo.fr> <51E6B95F-0A1A-4964-996B-D597FEBC8225@daniels-mara.com> <2D008AD0-7761-475E-9B45-0A9C63DF84F7@easynet.fr> <877BA4FE-F9F5-435D-9ACD-1DB4D5B18C59@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Hello Trevor, > > Thanks for the tip ! I will get the 1.0.3 final as soon as she will > be up but, for yet, i mainly appreciate how much Galaxy makes my > rev time easier ; i don't spend lots of time with "beta" software > issues, probably because i have offen enought to do to polish each > app i provide to my own customers ;-) I can sympathize with you. I just wanted to make sure you were aware as I really like 1.0.3 :-). Please let us know how you get along with Galaxy. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com trevor at bluemangolearning.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sat Sep 2 11:47:59 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:47:59 -0500 Subject: Quicktime Pro fullscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/2/06 6:37 AM, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: > Hi Laurent, > > You can make a new stack with a player. Set the rect of the stack to > the screenrect and set the rect of the player to the rect of the > card. No need for QuickTime Pro. But don't forget to hide the menubar on MacOS: hide menubar Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From psahores at easynet.fr Sat Sep 2 13:22:55 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:22:55 +0200 Subject: Galaxy tools and tips References: <69939228-8F14-44D5-94F4-47C5630E55F9@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: <7FDF8A67-2B04-4754-BE34-4DA8476AF617@easynet.fr> Trevor, The first impression is very good. Since Scott Raney became a "Sailor", i spoked lots with Kevin about the Rev's IDE (inbetwin other things)... Galaxy is the Rev's Eclipse-like IDE i waited for and because Jerry, You and the beta-test team around, it's yet available to all of us ! Thanks for this great and elegant productivity tool dedicated to help us to get more from our sweety Rev ;-) I just recommand to anyone, there, to take one our or two to try it ! This tool is realy too friendly and powerfull at once... Best Regards, Pierre Le 2 sept. 06 ? 16:38, Trevor DeVore a ?crit : > On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> Hello Trevor, >> >> Thanks for the tip ! I will get the 1.0.3 final as soon as she >> will be up but, for yet, i mainly appreciate how much Galaxy makes >> my rev time easier ; i don't spend lots of time with "beta" >> software issues, probably because i have offen enought to do to >> polish each app i provide to my own customers ;-) > > I can sympathize with you. I just wanted to make sure you were > aware as I really like 1.0.3 :-). Please let us know how you get > along with Galaxy. > > > Regards, > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com > trevor at bluemangolearning.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 13:47:08 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:47:08 -0700 Subject: [Mostly OT] Tate Talks About Language-Adoption Risks Message-ID: <70ed6b130609021047h336d748fm252694dcfbbcf509@mail.gmail.com> Famed computer author and software guru Bruce Tate wrote an article for a Webzine about the risks associated with switching programming languages that I thought might have some interest for at lest some members of this list. I posted a note on my blog last night and hesitated to point to it here. But given that this is a long weekend in the U.S. and likely to be a slow-traffic period for the list, I decided maybe we could handle a bit of an OT thread for a couple of days. Bruce's discussion is about switching from Java to Ruby but some of the points he makes, as I summarize in my blog post, seem relevant to discussions we have from time to time about the seeming difficulty Rev has getting traction in the market. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From larsbrehmer at mac.com Sat Sep 2 13:54:53 2006 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:54:53 +0300 Subject: keyboard maps (was foreign language in script editor) Message-ID: <091D3FDB-2776-454D-8573-6B66664A0286@mac.com> Hi again Thanks to those who had suggestions on the foreign language in the script editor problem a few dyas ago. Problem solved, and the same suggestions helped me solve a similar problem with Russian text in custom properties (I had to convert the custom props to a hidden field in this case.) Now a (hopefully) final question along these lines. I seem to remember seeing this before, but I'll be darned if I can find it in the archives, so here goes; When you have fields in different languages with different keyboard maps on a card, is it possible to have the keyboard map switch to the correct one when you click in a field? This is driving me nuts! And in both directions! When I am in one field and then click in one that needs a different keyboard map, the keyboard map does not change. On the other hand, sometimes when the keyboard map is set to the one I want and click in another field which needs the same map, my keyboard map switches to the wrong one!!!!! When I want the map to change it doesn't, when it shouldn't change it does! I am out of ideas on this one and would appreciate some help. Cheers, Lars From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Sat Sep 2 14:19:04 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:19:04 -0700 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend Message-ID: <001b01c6cebc$52968ed0$6501a8c0@lynn> Yeah, I posted the instructions in Revolution Forums in the Adventure Game Section :-) E-frontier and CP are a long time partner of yours truly. They have only selectively posted this, so jump on it - there are Mac and Windows versions (although mac is not UB). Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr Sat Sep 2 16:02:24 2006 From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:02:24 +0200 Subject: [Mostly OT] Tate Talks About Language-Adoption Risks References: <70ed6b130609021047h336d748fm252694dcfbbcf509@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F9E33E.F5590E04@club-internet.fr> There's a very interesting part in Bruce tate's article : it's the one about how Java made its way among developers : "Java needed a catalyst. With the exploding Internet, applets embedded into NetScape provided a compelling reason for C developers to take a look at Java. The C++ like syntax simplified the transition. Java was able to quickly grab a massive community, and a Microsoft backlash escalated the transition." I've always thought that, in order to extend its audience, Revolution could benefit in being somehow integrated (as a language option) into a popular browser... Perhaps the release of Firefox could have been a good opportunity, I actually don't know... But if the "C++ like syntax (of Java) simplified the transition", I'm sure that the natural language aspect of Revolution would pleased wannabe programers who get pissed off by the non-natural syntax of js and php... May be am I making a complete mistake, and may be there isn't any way to bridge the gap between Firefox as an open-source project and Rev as a commercial product... but somehow I keep feeling that integration of a Transcript kernel into a browser is an option to consider... JB From liamlambert at mac.com Sat Sep 2 16:10:28 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (Liam Lambert) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:10:28 +0100 Subject: Time Code Forma Message-ID: <266B314B-45CF-4D71-B308-FD48C5C751C8@mac.com> I was wondering has anyone built a smpte clock or timer this format is used for sound ques ect. The format SMPTE clock is as follows: HH:MM:SS:FF where HH = Hours (0-23) MM =Minutes (0-59) SS = Seconds (0-59) FF = Frames per second (0-23, 0-24, 0-29 drop or 0-29 non-drop) Liam Lambert IRELAND liamlambert at mac.com From katir at hindu.org Sat Sep 2 16:26:41 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:26:41 -1000 Subject: How to Debug QT? Message-ID: <44F9E901.8080109@hindu.org> Help! I'm just entering the scary world of support for software one deploys. Fortunately traffic is very low That's good. Unfortunately I don't know where to begin to solve some problems that are experienced only on some machines. Every developers dilemma, no doubty This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no sound from the movies. Screen shots here: http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/discourse.jpg http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/movie.jpg the image poster on the "discourse" one is actually an image set to a remote url.jpg (not from the player, which is just an audio file) If we put the players to SMIL files, it crashes Revolution on her box and the Microsoft crash report says QT is causing the problem. If I get her to run a gestalt, her OS and hardware profile Windows XP, Service Pack 2, plenty of ram etc. all look exactly the same as some other windows users who tell me "Oh everything works perfectly... never had a problem from the beginning!" OK, so, #1 I need some "mentoring" What do you professionals do when this kind of thing comes to you. #2, any clues on the QT problem and solutions? Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From livfoss at mac.com Sat Sep 2 16:44:12 2006 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:44:12 +0200 Subject: Everyone at Burning Man? Message-ID: Deep in Rural France we don't have Burning Man, Labor Day, or stepping motors for that matter (or if we have them, we haven't worked out what to use them for). I feel I'm missing out... Graham ---------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France From katir at hindu.org Sat Sep 2 16:46:37 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:46:37 -1000 Subject: OT: Revolution App Gets a little underground push in Silicon Valley Message-ID: <44F9EDAD.6050605@hindu.org> FYI: The Digital Edition of Hinduism Today (With shameless Revolution advocacy at the end of the "About") gets a little notice in the underground world of super nerds. ...... "...on a side note, i had a chance to meet a fellow who is one of the original team of 3 who started the java project at sun microsystems .. one of the other 3 was bill joy, the guy who wrote vi .. he is like, a legendary figure .. have you heard of him? i guess i could compare him to steve jobs as far as recognizability in the computer world. so anyway the guy i met is samir mitra, and he just got back from cambodia, where he was describing the most amazing temples .. so i showed him the video clip of it from htde .. he requested the link to the digital edition. he was blown away. he is going to pass this around to his high level indian friends in silicon valley. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From mcdomi at free.fr Sat Sep 2 16:55:53 2006 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:55:53 +0200 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <001b01c6cebc$52968ed0$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: <1hl27li.xq8sz09pg3q4M%mcdomi@free.fr> Lynn Fredricks wrote: > Yeah, I posted the instructions in Revolution Forums in the Adventure Game > Section :-) Not found such a section in Revolution Forums... ?? By the wat, I took a look at the members list, and besides some spamers, I found that some members were not very distant from my home ;-) From revolution at jaedworks.com Sat Sep 2 16:42:09 2006 From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:42:09 -0700 Subject: encode text to image In-Reply-To: <44F8A4FE.7040609@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <44F8A4FE.7040609@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: At 11:24 PM +0200 9/1/2006, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: >The "text of image" property apparently does not work in the MC IDE, >regardless of which engine is used, old or new ones - from 2.4 to >2.7.3. I strongly suspect a problem with the paintCompression property, in this case. I believe the Rev IDE sets it to "PNG", while the MC IDE (or the bare engine) sets it to "RLE". You might experiment with setting the paintCompression to "PNG" before transferring the image using the text property - the later engines might be making assumptions they shouldn't about the property value. >So what could be the benefits of using text-of-image data instead of >"imagedata"? They're different formats with different uses. The imageData is an expanded pixmap form (one pixel per four bytes - a byte of zeroes plus the R, G, and B channels) of the data currently presented on screen, while the text of the image (the content of the image container) is the base data of the image itself, in whatever format the image was created or imported in (PNG, GIF, etc.). The text property doesn't change if you change the image size, while the imageData does - it's recomputed from the content of the image every time you change the object size. The imageData form is more amenable to transformations such as changing the brightness or dropping out a channel. And so on. There are various differences and which one is more useful depends on the circumstances. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com http://www.jaedworks.com From Cubist at aol.com Sat Sep 2 18:03:24 2006 From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:03:24 EDT Subject: keyboard maps (was foreign language in script editor) Message-ID: <492.859e4ac.322b59ac@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/06 11:39:09 AM, Lars Brehmer writes: >When you have fields in different languages with different keyboard >maps on a card, is it possible to have the keyboard map switch to the >correct one when you click in a field? This is driving me nuts! And >in both directions! When I am in one field and then click in one >that needs a different keyboard map, the keyboard map does not >change. On the other hand, sometimes when the keyboard map is set to >the one I want and click in another field which needs the same map, >my keyboard map switches to the wrong one!!!!! When I want the map >to change it doesn't, when it shouldn't change it does! I am out of >ideas on this one and would appreciate some help. Multiple different languages in use on different fields of one card? Yow! That's... unusual. And automatically swapping to a different keyboard map at arbitrary times, well, that's even more so! Hmmm... My first thought: Don't bother with the OS keyboard maps -- especially if this project of yours is to be installed on machines that you don't *know* which keyboard maps are available. Instead, build your own maps, associating each rawKeyDown value with a particular character, and use the maps you created. Put all your keyboard maps into custom properties of the stack; give each relevant field a custom property that defines which keyboard map to use. Also give each relevant field this script: local MyKeyboard on focusIn GetLanguage end focusIn on openField GetLanguage end openField on GetLanguage put the PreferredLanguage of me into MyLang -- "me" is the field, right? put the KeyboardMap[MyLang] of this stack into MyKeyboard end GetLanguage on rawKeyDown ThisKey put character (ThisKey) of MyKeyboard into (the selectedChunk) -- assumes that a keyboard map is a string of characters, with -- the character for "rawKeyDown N" being the Nth character in the string end rawKeyDown This script is completely untested, but hopefully it will at least serve as a starting point to help you get where you want to go... -- ANTHRO -- http://anthrozine.com "It's furry. It's the *good* stuff." From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 18:06:54 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:06:54 -0700 Subject: [Mostly OT] Tate Talks About Language-Adoption Risks In-Reply-To: <44F9E33E.F5590E04@club-internet.fr> References: <70ed6b130609021047h336d748fm252694dcfbbcf509@mail.gmail.com> <44F9E33E.F5590E04@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <70ed6b130609021506j9d45193ve0b2d2bdf9218a5b@mail.gmail.com> I think it makes sense to try to find a niche for Rev in which it would excel so well it would compel users of Java and those considering Ruby to take a closer look at it. I don't think Internet apps are the place to do that. As long as Rev is single-threaded, it doesn't hold much promise on the server side of the Internet equation for scalable application deployment, which is why I've started using Python/Plone as my Web app framework. Andre Garzia and I worked hard (me on design and cheerleading, him on coding and testing) to try to create Rev on Rockets as a Web framework but the single threading is an absolute deal killer. Database-driven and database-backed Web apps are the most popular kinds of software being built today according to Bruce and lots of other folks. Certainly those are the kinds of apps I want to build for the foreseeable future. But as I survey the development of desktop apps, I don't see a single niche category where Rev could take a dominant role and get developers to sit up and take notice. I do, however, think that's necessary for Rev to have a chance of much more widespread adoption among existing developers. On 9/2/06, jbv wrote: > > > May be am I making a complete mistake, and may be there isn't any way > to bridge the gap between Firefox as an open-source project and Rev as > a commercial product... but somehow I keep feeling that integration of a > Transcript kernel into a browser is an option to consider... > > JB > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From jrarick at hpsk12.net Sat Sep 2 18:43:40 2006 From: jrarick at hpsk12.net (Jack Rarick) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:43:40 -0400 Subject: How to Debug QT? Message-ID: Just a thought. Does the user need Quicktime 7+? Quicktime is NOT an intergrated element of a window's machine. You can use an Applescipt on MacOS to check - i'm not sure what to on a Window's machine. Jack Rarick Braintree Athletic Systems >>> katir at hindu.org 09/02/06 4:26 PM >>> Help! I'm just entering the scary world of support for software one deploys. Fortunately traffic is very low That's good. Unfortunately I don't know where to begin to solve some problems that are experienced only on some machines. Every developers dilemma, no doubty This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no sound from the movies. Screen shots here: http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/discourse.jpg http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/movie.jpg the image poster on the "discourse" one is actually an image set to a remote url.jpg (not from the player, which is just an audio file) If we put the players to SMIL files, it crashes Revolution on her box and the Microsoft crash report says QT is causing the problem. If I get her to run a gestalt, her OS and hardware profile Windows XP, Service Pack 2, plenty of ram etc. all look exactly the same as some other windows users who tell me "Oh everything works perfectly... never had a problem from the beginning!" OK, so, #1 I need some "mentoring" What do you professionals do when this kind of thing comes to you. #2, any clues on the QT problem and solutions? Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tominjapan at excite.com Sat Sep 2 19:33:46 2006 From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend Message-ID: <20060902233346.223D92F5AF@xprdmxin.myway.com> >E-frontier and CP are a long time partner of yours truly. Lynn, I need you to develop a partnership with the US mint so we can start downloading cash... US bonds would also work for me. Thanks for this opportunity! tom mccathy _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From tereza at califex.com Sat Sep 2 21:24:16 2006 From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:24:16 -0500 Subject: OT: Revolution App Gets a little underground push in Silicon Valley In-Reply-To: <44F9EDAD.6050605@hindu.org> References: <44F9EDAD.6050605@hindu.org> Message-ID: On Sep 2, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > "...on a side note, i had a chance to meet a fellow who is one of the > original team of 3...bill joy... the guy i met is samir mitra .. he > requested the > link to the digital edition. he was blown away. so lets see... I've met Andre Garzia... Andre Garzia has met Sivakatirswami... Who's met a person... Who's met Samir Mitra... Who knows Bill Joy! Five degrees from Bill Joy!* Ahee! t *Java is just a footnote in this guy's resume! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Joy Though I wonder if our inimitable Dan Shafer can shorten the path... -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Sep 2 22:54:43 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:54:43 -0700 Subject: Communicate with stepper motors? In-Reply-To: References: <20060830190412.2985882516E@mail.runrev.com> <4D9DC296-4DC3-444A-8CA8-741106C33FCD@maseurope.net> <44F71783.4040007@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44FA43F3.7020609@comcast.net> Thanks to all who made suggestions about Rev and stepper motors. I appreciate the time you took to respond to my post. Now it's time for me to dig in and see what I can figure out. Marty Knapp From katir at hindu.org Sat Sep 2 23:38:36 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:38:36 -1000 Subject: How to Debug QT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FA4E3C.4090801@hindu.org> Jack Rarick wrote: No, doesn't need QT 7+ in fact I've stopped distributing H.264 because Windows users can't view them as the MPEG10 plug-in is only lately bundled in the OS installed on the "home entertainment center" windows boxes. Many Windows users still don't have it and may never have it. I stick to MPEG4 now either extension .mov or .mp4 seems to work on any windows machine with 6.5.2 Yes, come to think of it, this lady did upgrade to 7+ but others who are using 6.5.2 are OK. But: conundrum: other Windows users running QT 7+ are having no troubles...Rev players perform as expected. > Just a thought. Does the user need Quicktime 7+? Quicktime is NOT an > intergrated element of a window's machine. You can use an Applescipt on > MacOS to check - i'm not sure what to on a Window's machine. > > Jack Rarick > Braintree Athletic Systems > >>>> katir at hindu.org 09/02/06 4:26 PM >>> > Help! I'm just entering the scary world of support for software one > deploys. Fortunately traffic is very low > That's good. Unfortunately I don't know where to begin to solve some > problems that are > experienced only on some machines. Every developers dilemma, no doubty > > This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to > remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no sound from > > the movies. > > Screen shots here: > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/discourse.jpg > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/movie.jpg > > the image poster on the "discourse" one is actually an image set to a > remote > url.jpg (not from the player, which is just an audio file) > > If we put the players to SMIL files, it crashes Revolution on her box > and the Microsoft crash report says QT is causing the problem. > > If I get her to run a gestalt, her OS and hardware profile > Windows XP, Service Pack 2, plenty of ram etc. > all look exactly the same as some other windows users who tell me > > "Oh everything works perfectly... never had a problem from the > beginning!" > > OK, so, #1 I need some "mentoring" > What do you professionals do when this kind of thing comes to you. > > #2, any clues on the QT problem and solutions? > > > Sivakatirswami > www.himalayanacademy.com > > Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From katir at hindu.org Sun Sep 3 00:55:20 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:55:20 -1000 Subject: Call for Media Viewer Test: Windows Users Especially In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210609020030y2340b95agfd92afdbb26d054a@mail.gmail.com> References: <44F6A669.8000308@hindu.org> <7aa52a210609020030y2340b95agfd92afdbb26d054a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FA6038.5060101@hindu.org> ouch: OK try this one. the players are set to .mov files and not to .smil files... i.e. the player will just try to stream them straight away... go stack (URL "http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/htde_media-player_no-smil.rev") Does this hold up... Other windows users are saying it does... so it shouldn't crash Rev...but at least one says she sees no controllers Chipp Walters wrote: > Crashed on my WinXP machine. Started loading, then started playing a > bit, then Rev crashed. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Sun Sep 3 01:47:46 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:47:46 -0700 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <1hl27li.xq8sz09pg3q4M%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <006001c6cf1c$88d37070$6501a8c0@lynn> > > Yeah, I posted the instructions in Revolution Forums in the > Adventure > > Game Section :-) > > Not found such a section in Revolution Forums... ?? Its there, keep looking :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Sun Sep 3 01:47:02 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:47:02 -0700 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <20060902233346.223D92F5AF@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> > >E-frontier and CP are a long time partner of yours truly. > > Lynn, I need you to develop a partnership with the US mint so > we can start downloading cash... US bonds would also work for me. Its funny if you actually visit, unlike other manufacturing facilities they don't give samples ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Sep 3 02:44:44 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:44:44 -0700 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend Message-ID: <44FA79DC.7060305@fourthworld.com> Lynn Fredricks >> > Yeah, I posted the instructions in Revolution Forums in the >> Adventure >> > Game Section :-) >> >> Not found such a section in Revolution Forums... ?? > > Its there, keep looking :-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > Worldwide Business Operations > Runtime Revolution, Ltd 4 8 15 16 23 42 -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From psahores at easynet.fr Sun Sep 3 03:41:44 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:41:44 +0200 Subject: How to Debug QT? In-Reply-To: <44FA4E3C.4090801@hindu.org> References: <44FA4E3C.4090801@hindu.org> Message-ID: <0D421F8A-59FD-49D2-9812-F1A871A68C77@easynet.fr> Katir, By default and to let users get Darwin Streaming Server streamables movies played on their desktops, QT prefs are never set as expected on the win32 platform. Perhaps could you verify this point with your customer, even if the movies are availables in dowloadable mode only ? Best, Pierre Le 3 sept. 06 ? 05:38, Sivakatirswami a ?crit : > Jack Rarick wrote: > > No, doesn't need QT 7+ in fact I've stopped distributing H.264 > because Windows users > can't view them as the MPEG10 plug-in is only lately bundled > in the OS installed on the "home entertainment center" windows boxes. > > Many Windows users still don't have it and may never have it. > > I stick to MPEG4 now either extension .mov or .mp4 seems to work > on any windows machine with 6.5.2 > > Yes, come to think of it, this lady did upgrade to 7+ but others > who are using > 6.5.2 are OK. But: conundrum: other Windows users running > QT 7+ are having no troubles...Rev players perform as expected. > > > >> Just a thought. Does the user need Quicktime 7+? Quicktime is NOT an >> intergrated element of a window's machine. You can use an >> Applescipt on >> MacOS to check - i'm not sure what to on a Window's machine. >> Jack Rarick >> Braintree Athletic Systems >>>>> katir at hindu.org 09/02/06 4:26 PM >>> >> Help! I'm just entering the scary world of support for software >> one deploys. Fortunately traffic is very low >> That's good. Unfortunately I don't know where to begin to solve >> some problems that are >> experienced only on some machines. Every developers dilemma, no >> doubty >> This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to >> remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no >> sound from >> the movies. >> Screen shots here: >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/discourse.jpg >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/movie.jpg >> the image poster on the "discourse" one is actually an image set to a >> remote >> url.jpg (not from the player, which is just an audio file) >> If we put the players to SMIL files, it crashes Revolution on her box >> and the Microsoft crash report says QT is causing the problem. >> If I get her to run a gestalt, her OS and hardware profile >> Windows XP, Service Pack 2, plenty of ram etc. >> all look exactly the same as some other windows users who tell me >> "Oh everything works perfectly... never had a problem from the >> beginning!" >> OK, so, #1 I need some "mentoring" >> What do you professionals do when this kind of thing comes to you. >> #2, any clues on the QT problem and solutions? >> Sivakatirswami >> www.himalayanacademy.com >> Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- > Om shanti > (In Peace) > > Sivakatirswami > www.himalayanacademy.com > > Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From mcdomi at free.fr Sun Sep 3 04:28:03 2006 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:28:03 +0200 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <006001c6cf1c$88d37070$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: <1hl33ma.1pd95is93na14M%mcdomi@free.fr> Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > Not found such a section in Revolution Forums... ?? > > Its there, keep looking :-) After some digging, I saw it (a small button in a corner ;-)) I saw also that I was not a member, so I registered :-) I remember I read some time ago the announce for RR forums, but I neglected to register... From viktoras at ekoinf.net Sun Sep 3 04:56:11 2006 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:56:11 +0300 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: eye-candy GUI design References: <1hl33ma.1pd95is93na14M%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <44FA98AB.000003.00580@MAZYTIS> Dear all, do there exist any online resources or books (not necessarily for RR) with reusable examples of ways to organize GUI elements and graphical backgrounds to get "eye candy" impression for desktop software ? Something similar to yearly issues of "Web design index by context". I am in desperate need of some inspiration :-). In principle I could adopt "Web index..." but if there exists something like this for the desktop software specially, I will be hunting for it too. All the best Viktoras From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Sep 3 06:17:42 2006 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:17:42 +0200 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> References: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> At the Dutch National Bank they challenge visitors to pick up a bar of gold with one hand. If you manage, you can take it home. Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 3-sep-2006, om 7:47 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven: >>> E-frontier and CP are a long time partner of yours truly. >> >> Lynn, I need you to develop a partnership with the US mint so >> we can start downloading cash... US bonds would also work for me. > > Its funny if you actually visit, unlike other manufacturing > facilities they > don't give samples ;-) > > Best regards, > > > Lynn Fredricks > Worldwide Business Operations > Runtime Revolution, Ltd > From mark at maseurope.net Sun Sep 3 06:26:41 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:26:41 +0100 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> References: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Are you sure they don't glue it down, just in case? :) Mark On 3 Sep 2006, at 11:17, Mark Schonewille wrote: > At the Dutch National Bank they challenge visitors to pick up a bar > of gold with one hand. If you manage, you can take it home. > > Mark > > -- > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Sep 3 06:52:23 2006 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:52:23 +0200 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: References: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Nope, they don't. Yes, I'm sure. -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 3-sep-2006, om 12:26 heeft Mark Smith het volgende geschreven: > Are you sure they don't glue it down, just in case? :) > > Mark > > On 3 Sep 2006, at 11:17, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> At the Dutch National Bank they challenge visitors to pick up a >> bar of gold with one hand. If you manage, you can take it home. >> >> Mark From mark at maseurope.net Sun Sep 3 08:00:25 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:00:25 +0100 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: References: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Right then, with all this lists expertise in stepper-motors and such, who's up for building a bionic arm? (With an embedded Rev based controller, of course). Mark On 3 Sep 2006, at 11:52, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Nope, they don't. Yes, I'm sure. > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store > software. Download at http://www.salery.biz > > Op 3-sep-2006, om 12:26 heeft Mark Smith het volgende geschreven: > >> Are you sure they don't glue it down, just in case? :) >> >> Mark >> >> On 3 Sep 2006, at 11:17, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> >>> At the Dutch National Bank they challenge visitors to pick up a >>> bar of gold with one hand. If you manage, you can take it home. >>> >>> Mark > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Camm29 at tesco.net Sun Sep 3 09:53:59 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:53:59 +0100 Subject: Trailing Zeros Message-ID: <000a01c6cf60$7382f490$0a01a8c0@workshop> I have been using Round(number,x) I wish to keep trailing Zero's 1234.00 1234.50 etc etc I can only get 1234 1234.5 no zero's . i know i'm missing something simple !!! Regarda From klaus at major-k.de Sun Sep 3 10:06:32 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:06:32 +0200 Subject: Trailing Zeros In-Reply-To: <000a01c6cf60$7382f490$0a01a8c0@workshop> References: <000a01c6cf60$7382f490$0a01a8c0@workshop> Message-ID: <2E8D6DB4-0752-4017-AD69-D4622EC237B5@major-k.de> Hi Camm29, > I have been using Round(number,x) add a line and you are done: ... set the numberformat to 0.00 put Round(number,2) ... or whatever value fits for you for the second parameter "precision", see the docs. :-) > I wish to keep trailing Zero's > > 1234.00 > 1234.50 etc etc > I can only get > 1234 > 1234.5 > no zero's . i know i'm missing something simple !!! Hope that helps. > Regarda > __________ Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Sep 3 10:07:55 2006 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:07:55 +0200 Subject: Trailing Zeros In-Reply-To: <000a01c6cf60$7382f490$0a01a8c0@workshop> References: <000a01c6cf60$7382f490$0a01a8c0@workshop> Message-ID: set the numberformat to "#.00" put 1234*1 -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 3-sep-2006, om 15:53 heeft Camm29 het volgende geschreven: > I have been using Round(number,x) > > I wish to keep trailing Zero's > > 1234.00 > > 1234.50 etc etc > > I can only get > > 1234 > 1234.5 > > no zero's . i know i'm missing something simple !!! > > Regarda From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 10:34:29 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:34:29 -0700 Subject: Trailing Zeros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Function format(specification string, value) Returns a formatted string that has been transformed according to the rules of the C "printf()" function. Make note of that this is predicated on a PRINT function, which means it is geared to padding the result with spaces if needed, thus the charLength determines the total characters returned in order to build print outs. In Rev, it is easy to simply put format("%0.2f",1256.7/3.3) = round, no leading spaces, add trailing 0's = '380.82' put format("%0.10f",1256.7/3.3) = round, no leading spaces, add trailing 0's = '380.8181818182' put format("%40.10f",1256.7/3.3) = round, add trailing 0's, and spaces to make a total of 40 chars = ' 380.8181818182' put format("%40.2f",1200/3) = round, add trailing 0's, and spaces to make a total of 40 chars = ' 400.00' put format("%40.10f",1200/3) = round, add trailing 0's, and spaces to make a total of 40 chars = ' 400.0000000000' Hope this helps, Jim Ault Las Vegas On 9/3/06 7:07 AM, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: > set the numberformat to "#.00" > put 1234*1 > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. > Download at http://www.salery.biz > > Op 3-sep-2006, om 15:53 heeft Camm29 het volgende geschreven: > >> I have been using Round(number,x) >> >> I wish to keep trailing Zero's >> >> 1234.00 >> >> 1234.50 etc etc >> >> I can only get >> >> 1234 >> 1234.5 >> >> no zero's . i know i'm missing something simple !!! >> >> Regarda > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Camm29 at tesco.net Sun Sep 3 11:00:49 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:00:49 +0100 Subject: Trailing Zeros References: <000a01c6cf60$7382f490$0a01a8c0@workshop> Message-ID: <001001c6cf69$c8df9750$0a01a8c0@workshop> Thanks , i try the methods given and read the docs ! Regards Camm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Camm29" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: Trailing Zeros I have been using Round(number,x) I wish to keep trailing Zero's 1234.00 1234.50 etc etc I can only get 1234 1234.5 no zero's . i know i'm missing something simple !!! Regarda _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/433 - Release Date: 30/08/2006 From soapdog at mac.com Sun Sep 3 12:00:22 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:00:22 -0300 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> References: <005f01c6cf1c$6eaca540$6501a8c0@lynn> <8F1E7D9A-BE55-402F-AE4B-269EC487756C@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: This happens because they never met a Brazilian, if I was there, I bet I could pick two or even three bars with one hand and in the way out I'd even pick the managers pen. People don't know what Brazilians are able to do, they've sent a Brazilian to space this year and already a planet is missing... On Sep 3, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > At the Dutch National Bank they challenge visitors to pick up a bar > of gold with one hand. If you manage, you can take it home. > > Mark > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store > software. Download at http://www.salery.biz > > Op 3-sep-2006, om 7:47 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven: > >>>> E-frontier and CP are a long time partner of yours truly. >>> >>> Lynn, I need you to develop a partnership with the US mint so >>> we can start downloading cash... US bonds would also work for me. >> >> Its funny if you actually visit, unlike other manufacturing >> facilities they >> don't give samples ;-) >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Lynn Fredricks >> Worldwide Business Operations >> Runtime Revolution, Ltd >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Sep 3 13:05:31 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:05:31 -0500 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/3/06 11:00 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > People don't know what Brazilians are able to do, they've sent a > Brazilian to space this year and already a planet is missing... LOL! :-D Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From coolsnowlime at yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 13:20:27 2006 From: coolsnowlime at yahoo.com (Sue Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Copy images Message-ID: <20060903172027.77250.qmail@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is it possible to copy an image (png format) that has been placed as a referenced control to the clipboard? Thanks is advance! --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 13:33:52 2006 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:33:52 -0400 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <200609021820.k82IKg18024332@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200609021820.k82IKg18024332@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3f07cc260609031033k566ab07ai86f44daeb853ead5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/06, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > Yeah, I posted the instructions in Revolution Forums in the Adventure Game > Section :-) > > E-frontier and CP are a long time partner of yours truly. They have only > selectively posted this, so jump on it - there are Mac and Windows > versions > (although mac is not UB). Selective or not, I haven't been able to download this for two days--they say the download limits have been reached on their servers. It sort of backfires when you offer free software and then make it nearly impossible for people to get it. :-( -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From got at mindspring.com Sun Sep 3 13:34:08 2006 From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:34:08 -0500 Subject: Copy images In-Reply-To: <20060903172027.77250.qmail@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060903172027.77250.qmail@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7DB5669C-75DE-4066-9718-C0A09AF837D1@mindspring.com> Howdy Sue, > Is it possible to copy an image (png format) that has been placed > as a referenced control to the clipboard? > > Thanks is advance! I just tried this and it worked: put "binfile:" & the fileName of control id 1003 into tURL get URL tURL set the clipboardData["image"] to it (NOTE: in my little example "control id 1003" is the referenced control) -gordy From soapdog at mac.com Sun Sep 3 13:57:16 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:57:16 -0300 Subject: OT - Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: wait till they start selling pirated copies of pluto in every corner.... it happened with windows xp you know... people think I am joking, but last year a congressman here was caught with 1 million, yes, 1 million in his underpants!!!!!! (and I wondered about the oportunitiny of selling underwear with pockets with labels like $10 $5 $20 and so on...) On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > On 9/3/06 11:00 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > >> People don't know what Brazilians are able to do, they've sent a >> Brazilian to space this year and already a planet is missing... > > LOL! > > :-D > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 14:25:42 2006 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:25:42 -0400 Subject: Copy images In-Reply-To: <200609031737.k83Hb0Jv022596@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200609031737.k83Hb0Jv022596@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3f07cc260609031125k167c026an1fdbc22634c33e45@mail.gmail.com> On 9/3/06, Gordon Tillman wrote: > > I just tried this and it worked: > > put "binfile:" & the fileName of control id 1003 into tURL > get URL tURL > set the clipboardData["image"] to it > > (NOTE: in my little example "control id 1003" is the referenced control) > > -gordy Gordy, Very clever idea. It tried it and it worked fine on a referenced jpg image, but for some reason when I try it on .png images, it either doesn't work at all or copies a garbled version to the clipboard (???). Did you try with .png images? -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Sep 3 15:01:45 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:01:45 -0700 Subject: eye-candy GUI design In-Reply-To: <44FA98AB.000003.00580@MAZYTIS> Message-ID: Recently, Viktoras Didziulis wrote: > do there exist any online resources or books (not necessarily for RR) with > reusable examples of ways to organize GUI elements and graphical backgrounds > to get "eye candy" impression for desktop software ? Something similar to > yearly issues of "Web design index by context". I am in desperate need of > some inspiration :-) Maybe you've already seen this, but if you're looking for examples of alternative UI design, you might try here: Chipp Walters has some good stuff too at his site: And Tereza Snyder has some examples in the portfolio section of her site: Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Sep 3 15:03:04 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:03:04 -0700 Subject: ...and that ain't all... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17213184167.20060903120304@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Sunday, September 3, 2006, 10:57:16 AM, you wrote: > wait till they start selling pirated copies of pluto in every > corner.... it happened with windows xp you know... http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9682/78/ "The new NGO's objective is to make people aware of how dangerous this demoting Pluto stuff is. This is just the first step to also exclude our Earth." -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From larsbrehmer at mac.com Sun Sep 3 15:06:45 2006 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:06:45 +0300 Subject: Keyboard maps (was foreign languages in script editor) Message-ID: <287B3A19-83EB-4C74-AFF8-30F696B1D099@mac.com> Thanks "cubist"! In a message dated 9/2/06 11:39:09 AM, Lars Brehmer writes: > >> When you have fields in different languages with different keyboard >> maps on a card, is it possible to have the keyboard map switch to the >> correct one when you click in a field? This is driving me nuts! And >> in both directions! When I am in one field and then click in one >> that needs a different keyboard map, the keyboard map does not >> change. On the other hand, sometimes when the keyboard map is set to >> the one I want and click in another field which needs the same map, >> my keyboard map switches to the wrong one!!!!! When I want the map >> to change it doesn't, when it shouldn't change it does! I am out of >> ideas on this one and would appreciate some help. >> > Multiple different languages in use on different fields of one > card? Yow! > That's... unusual. I guess it is pretty unusual, but not for certain language learning stacks. In this case it is teaching Estonian vocabulary to Russians, so the cards have fields in Estonian (Roman alphabet with 6 letters with diacritical marks) and Russian (cyrillic alphabet). The cards display perfectly using uniEncode and uniDecode, but some cards are editable, so the user has to be able to type in Russian words in some fields and Estonian words in others. It would be great if a field is clicked in the keyboard map is adjusted accordingly. There are also utilities, among others for searching, where the cursor is placed in a field (select after text), so it would be terrific if when this happens, the user doesn't have to pay attention to which keyboard map is active and which one it should be... > And automatically swapping to a different keyboard map at > arbitrary times, well, that's even more so! Hmmm... ... so the switches aren't really arbitrary - some fields need one map, some need the other. > > My first thought: Don't bother with the OS keyboard maps -- > especially if > this project of yours is to be installed on machines that you don't > *know* > which keyboard maps are available. Well, I am certain that Russians using Windows can easily add the Estonian keyboard map (which I believe is included in Windows in the Regional and Language Options control panel, it just needs to be added via that control panel) and I know for a fact that the Mac users (like me, by the way) have both keyboard maps at their disposal, so this isn't really the issue. > Instead, build your own maps, associating each > rawKeyDown value with a particular character, and use the maps you > created. > Put all your keyboard maps into custom properties of the stack; > give each > relevant field a custom property that defines which keyboard map to > use. Also give > each relevant field this script: I appreciate the suggestion, but this is so far beyond my Rev programming abilities that I really wouldn't know where to start :-( I know some of you out there are making apps that have similar language requirements, so are there any other solutions for this? If not, I would most certainly appreciate more info (at the near idiot level ;-) ) on the suggestion below! cheers, Lars > > local MyKeyboard > > on focusIn > GetLanguage > end focusIn > > on openField > GetLanguage > end openField > > on GetLanguage > put the PreferredLanguage of me into MyLang > -- "me" is the field, right? > put the KeyboardMap[MyLang] of this stack into MyKeyboard > end GetLanguage > > on rawKeyDown ThisKey > put character (ThisKey) of MyKeyboard into (the selectedChunk) > -- assumes that a keyboard map is a string of characters, with > -- the character for "rawKeyDown N" being the Nth character in > the string > end rawKeyDown > > This script is completely untested, but hopefully it will at > least serve > as a starting point to help you get where you want to go... From soapdog at mac.com Sun Sep 3 15:26:07 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:26:07 -0300 Subject: ...and that ain't all... In-Reply-To: <17213184167.20060903120304@ahsoftware.net> References: <17213184167.20060903120304@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <82307EBB-A30A-40A1-9A72-B23DD56E3AA5@mac.com> Mark, LOL and people say that this is a serious country!!! I can see my tax payer money going straight to friends of pluto NGO and then some corrupt politician drinking champagne in paris with my money... that's why during the election I think I'll void my votes... there's no one that I belive anymore here. I think we should be allowed to "vote against" someone, for example, don't like a candidate and don't want to vote for anyone, then you could use your vote to subtract from that candidate votes... you'd see something like this in the end: "Elected with minus three million votes, the new president of Brasil!!!" I think I'll build a NGO and wait for funds too... geez, might get killed doing that here. Andre On Sep 3, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andre- > > Sunday, September 3, 2006, 10:57:16 AM, you wrote: > >> wait till they start selling pirated copies of pluto in every >> corner.... it happened with windows xp you know... > > http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9682/78/ > > "The new NGO's objective is to make people aware of how dangerous this > demoting Pluto stuff is. This is just the first step to also exclude > our Earth." > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From viktoras at ekoinf.net Sun Sep 3 15:36:30 2006 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:36:30 +0300 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: eye-candy GUI design References: Message-ID: <44FB2EBE.000001.02584@MAZYTIS> Many thanks, Scot! It helped! Best regards Viktoras -------Original Message------- From: Scott Rossi Date: 09/03/06 22:01:29 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: eye-candy GUI design Recently, Viktoras Didziulis wrote: > do there exist any online resources or books (not necessarily for RR) with > reusable examples of ways to organize GUI elements and graphical backgrounds > to get "eye candy" impression for desktop software ? Something similar to > yearly issues of "Web design index by context". I am in desperate need of > some inspiration :-) Maybe you've already seen this, but if you're looking for examples of alternative UI design, you might try here: Chipp Walters has some good stuff too at his site: And Tereza Snyder has some examples in the portfolio section of her site: Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Sun Sep 3 15:52:05 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:52:05 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <1hl33ma.1pd95is93na14M%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <002601c6cf92$7c1a96d0$6501a8c0@lynn> > After some digging, I saw it (a small button in a corner ;-)) > > I saw also that I was not a member, so I registered :-) I > remember I read some time ago the announce for RR forums, but > I neglected to register... The benefits of membership :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 16:44:41 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:44:41 +1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <002601c6cf92$7c1a96d0$6501a8c0@lynn> References: <1hl33ma.1pd95is93na14M%mcdomi@free.fr> <002601c6cf92$7c1a96d0$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: On 9/4/06, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > After some digging, I saw it (a small button in a corner ;-)) > > > > I saw also that I was not a member, so I registered :-) I > > remember I read some time ago the announce for RR forums, but > > I neglected to register... > > The benefits of membership :-) I realise that was meant as a joke, but seriously, what ARE the benfits of membership? I am a member, but I find a forum far to time-consuming & tedious, so after my inital explorations, I never go there. I would be interested to hear if there is any real benefit to joining the forum. Regards, Sarah From coolsnowlime at yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 18:27:23 2006 From: coolsnowlime at yahoo.com (Sue Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Copy images Message-ID: <20060903222723.42869.qmail@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It worked perfectly with my png files. - Sue Begin forwarded message: From: Howard Bornstein Date: September 3, 2006 2:25:42 PM EDT To: Gordon Tillman Cc: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Copy images Reply-To: bornstein at designeq.com, How to use Revolution On 9/3/06, Gordon Tillman wrote: I just tried this and it worked: put "binfile:" & the fileName of control id 1003 into tURL get URL tURL set the clipboardData["image"] to it (NOTE: in my little example "control id 1003" is the referenced control) -gordy Gordy, Very clever idea. It tried it and it worked fine on a referenced jpg image, but for some reason when I try it on .png images, it either doesn't work at all or copies a garbled version to the clipboard (???). Did you try with .png images? -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From mcdomi at free.fr Mon Sep 4 01:52:48 2006 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:52:48 +0200 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1hl4r3m.1462fossafovwM%mcdomi@free.fr> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > I realise that was meant as a joke, but seriously, what ARE the > benfits of membership? to gain access to the forums ;-) otherwise you are limited to the home page... From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 03:03:44 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:03:44 +1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <1hl4r3m.1462fossafovwM%mcdomi@free.fr> References: <1hl4r3m.1462fossafovwM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: On 9/4/06, Dom wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > > I realise that was meant as a joke, but seriously, what ARE the > > benfits of membership? > > to gain access to the forums ;-) > > otherwise you are limited to the home page... I guess I phrased the question badly :-( What is the benefit of the forums? Sarah From mcdomi at free.fr Mon Sep 4 05:08:43 2006 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:08:43 +0200 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1hl506x.1rbia0mx4a877M%mcdomi@free.fr> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > I guess I phrased the question badly :-( please, take note of the smiley ;-) by the way, I cannot yet access to the forums... From viktoras at ekoinf.net Mon Sep 4 06:06:50 2006 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:06:50 +0300 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: drag stack window References: <1hl506x.1rbia0mx4a877M%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <44FBFABA.000006.02492@MAZYTIS> Dear all, If window shape is set to graphics (with no title bar and controls shown) how do we make the window dragable, so it can be dragged around the desktop? Viktoras From katir at hindu.org Mon Sep 4 05:47:54 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:47:54 -1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <1hl4r3m.1462fossafovwM%mcdomi@free.fr> References: <1hl4r3m.1462fossafovwM%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <44FBF64A.3010901@hindu.org> Sarah, One angle(s) on forums is: scale and user usage needs levels. Scale: I don't know how many of you are members of Expert's Exchange, (EE) but with 3 Million + members, the idea of getting a mailing digests from EE with daily posts by all members is clearly insane. A forum is the only option. Same with Apple or Adobe. I once joined an Apache mailing list and was so overwhelmed with posts on the list that I had to ask my question, got an answer and unsubscribe asap! Wished it was a forum....now I don't use that list at all, I ask apache questions at EE... for this very reason. We're not there yet with Rev (scale wise) but maybe soon... so the framework is in place. Usage needs: I uses a great tool called "MPEG2 Works 4" for drag and drop processing of muxed video and export to QT. But I really don't what to be on a mailing list of video nerds: my needs and interest are very narrow. Serbian's forum for MPEG2 Works 4 is perfect, I need help, ask a question, set "watch this one" get an answer, I'm notified by email that my question is answered... with a clickable link back to the forum, to my thread. Sivakatirswami Dom wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> I realise that was meant as a joke, but seriously, what ARE the >> benfits of membership? > > to gain access to the forums ;-) > > otherwise you are limited to the home page... > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From katir at hindu.org Mon Sep 4 05:51:02 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:51:02 -1000 Subject: How to Debug QT? In-Reply-To: <0D421F8A-59FD-49D2-9812-F1A871A68C77@easynet.fr> References: <44FA4E3C.4090801@hindu.org> <0D421F8A-59FD-49D2-9812-F1A871A68C77@easynet.fr> Message-ID: <44FBF706.1010207@hindu.org> Pierre Sahores wrote: > Katir, > > By default and to let users get Darwin Streaming Server streamables > movies played on their desktops, QT prefs are never set as expected on > the win32 platform. Perhaps could you verify this point with your > customer, even if the movies are availables in dowloadable mode only ? > > Best, > > Pierre Excellent point. What should such prefs be set to? I'm looking for the default setting that "naive" users should use who really don't know anything about this stuff and who just do whatever you tell them. Sivakatirswami > > Le 3 sept. 06 ? 05:38, Sivakatirswami a ?crit : > >> Jack Rarick wrote: >> >> No, doesn't need QT 7+ in fact I've stopped distributing H.264 >> because Windows users >> can't view them as the MPEG10 plug-in is only lately bundled >> in the OS installed on the "home entertainment center" windows boxes. >> >> Many Windows users still don't have it and may never have it. >> >> I stick to MPEG4 now either extension .mov or .mp4 seems to work >> on any windows machine with 6.5.2 >> >> Yes, come to think of it, this lady did upgrade to 7+ but others who >> are using >> 6.5.2 are OK. But: conundrum: other Windows users running >> QT 7+ are having no troubles...Rev players perform as expected. >> >> >> >>> Just a thought. Does the user need Quicktime 7+? Quicktime is NOT an >>> intergrated element of a window's machine. You can use an Applescipt on >>> MacOS to check - i'm not sure what to on a Window's machine. >>> Jack Rarick >>> Braintree Athletic Systems >>>>>> katir at hindu.org 09/02/06 4:26 PM >>> >>> Help! I'm just entering the scary world of support for software one >>> deploys. Fortunately traffic is very low >>> That's good. Unfortunately I don't know where to begin to solve some >>> problems that are >>> experienced only on some machines. Every developers dilemma, no doubty >>> This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to >>> remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no sound from >>> the movies. >>> Screen shots here: >>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/discourse.jpg >>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/movie.jpg >>> the image poster on the "discourse" one is actually an image set to a >>> remote >>> url.jpg (not from the player, which is just an audio file) >>> If we put the players to SMIL files, it crashes Revolution on her box >>> and the Microsoft crash report says QT is causing the problem. >>> If I get her to run a gestalt, her OS and hardware profile >>> Windows XP, Service Pack 2, plenty of ram etc. >>> all look exactly the same as some other windows users who tell me >>> "Oh everything works perfectly... never had a problem from the >>> beginning!" >>> OK, so, #1 I need some "mentoring" >>> What do you professionals do when this kind of thing comes to you. >>> #2, any clues on the QT problem and solutions? >>> Sivakatirswami >>> www.himalayanacademy.com >>> Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! >>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> --Om shanti >> (In Peace) >> >> Sivakatirswami >> www.himalayanacademy.com >> >> Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! >> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > -- > Pierre Sahores > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From klaus at major-k.de Mon Sep 4 06:15:01 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:15:01 +0200 Subject: drag stack window In-Reply-To: <44FBFABA.000006.02492@MAZYTIS> References: <1hl506x.1rbia0mx4a877M%mcdomi@free.fr> <44FBFABA.000006.02492@MAZYTIS> Message-ID: Hi Viktoras, > Dear all, > > If window shape is set to graphics (with no title bar and controls > shown) > how do we make the window dragable, so it can be dragged around the > desktop? I ususally create a simple button with the size of the card/stack with the following script and set its INK to "noop" :-) ################### local maydrag on mouseDown put mouseH() & "," & mouseV() into maydrag end mouseDown on mouseMove if maydrag is not empty then set the topLeft of this stack to item 1 of the screenMouseLoc - item 1 of maydrag,item 2 of the screenMouseLoc - item 2 of maydrag end if end mouseMove on mouseUp put empty into maydrag end mouseUp on mouserelease mouseup end mouserelease ################## > Viktoras Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From viktoras at ekoinf.net Mon Sep 4 06:58:45 2006 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:58:45 +0300 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: drag stack window References: Message-ID: <44FC06E5.00000C.02492@MAZYTIS> Thanks Klaus ! It works. I assigned the script directly to an image that sets the shape of the window. No button was necessary. Thanks again. Viktoras -------Original Message------- From: Klaus Major Date: 09/04/06 13:15:28 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: drag stack window Hi Viktoras, > Dear all, > > If window shape is set to graphics (with no title bar and controls > shown) > how do we make the window dragable, so it can be dragged around the > desktop? I ususally create a simple button with the size of the card/stack with the following script and set its INK to "noop" :-) ################### local maydrag on mouseDown put mouseH() & "," & mouseV() into maydrag end mouseDown on mouseMove if maydrag is not empty then set the topLeft of this stack to item 1 of the screenMouseLoc - item 1 of maydrag,item 2 of the screenMouseLoc - item 2 of maydrag end if end mouseMove on mouseUp put empty into maydrag end mouseUp on mouserelease mouseup end mouserelease ################## > Viktoras Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Mon Sep 4 07:01:06 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:01:06 +0200 Subject: drag stack window In-Reply-To: <44FC06E5.00000C.02492@MAZYTIS> References: <44FC06E5.00000C.02492@MAZYTIS> Message-ID: <09680D18-3433-401C-A79F-1D111380F720@major-k.de> Hi Viktoras, > Thanks Klaus ! > > It works. I assigned the script directly to an image that sets the > shape of > the window. No button was necessary. whatsoever :-) > Thanks again. You're welcome! > Viktoras Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From mark at maseurope.net Mon Sep 4 07:48:06 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:48:06 +0100 Subject: ANN: AudioWaveform update Message-ID: I've updated my AudioWaveform control. The new version is "MinAudioWaveform 1.0", and I've taken out the player, zoom and scroll functions, so it's a bit smaller and simpler. I've also (I hope) finally dealt with the peculiarities of AIF files and squashed some big/little-endian bugs which mainly affected AIFs on Intel machines. I've been able to speed up the drawing also, though this will mainly be noticeable with longer files. RevOnline won't let me upload it (I think my user space may be corrupted), so it's available from: http://www.futility.co.uk/futsoft/downloads.html The version with player and zooming and so-on will be updated RSN. Best, Mark From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Sep 4 10:19:16 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:19:16 -0700 Subject: RR Forums Message-ID: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> Sivakatirswami wrote: > Scale: I don't know how many of you are members of Expert's Exchange, > (EE) but with 3 Million + members, the idea of getting a mailing digests > from EE with daily posts by all members is clearly insane. A forum is > the only option. Perhaps, but even if the current growth rate was estimated unrealistically high, it would be a loooooong time before the RunRev audience reached millions of email list subscribers. Long before then, the audience who enjoys email discussion forums would have organically broken into smaller SIGs; we see some of this even now in the Rev world (see the Links page at RevJournal.com). As we've seen with the Rev crowd, most communities are organically self-regulating. > Same with Apple or Adobe. I once joined an Apache mailing list and was > so overwhelmed with posts on the list that I had to ask my question, > got an answer and unsubscribe asap! > Wished it was a forum....now I don't use that list at all, I ask apache > questions at EE... for this very reason. It's also worth noting that while Apple maintains a web forum for their casual consumer audience, they also maintain discussion lists for their developers. Developer needs are more intensive than consumer's. With Rev's entry-level product now priced way below industry averages at $49, it would appear in price and design to address a more casual consumer audience, implying of course a shift away from conversing with the pro-dev audience which had focused their message while the company had made only pro tools. How a small company will be able to handle this broadly disparate messaging schism will be interesting to see as it plays out, but the current organic result of a list for serious users and a web forum for more casual users seems consistent with your observation of highly successful companies like Apple. > We're not there yet with Rev (scale wise) but maybe soon... so the > framework is in place. We can hope, as a good many of us "old-timers" have been working hard to help make happen for many years. As it does, however, there would seem no reason why any forum couldn't be available in both email and web form. Anything less seems a little odd, a touch behind the times for a technology vendor. The current forum is apparently still being set up. For example, unlike most product forums out there, it's not possible to even read the posts at the Rev forum until after you've submitted your personal data and wait to have it human-verified. The readers there have overwhelmingly favored adhering to traditional convention by at least allowing read access for guests, so it seems reasonable that'll be set up as the system gets fleshed out. Adding an email interface would seem almost as simple to set up as the system moves toward completion. But even when the email interface is added, it would be incomplete without also including the knowledge base that this community has created here over the years. Perhaps the most empowering part of the Rev community is being able to drop into a search of this list's archives and know that I can find almost any answer to any topic, algorithms for every need, valuable code snippets, tips and tricks for working with the IDE, etc. If that ever went away the community would lose its most valuable asset. But rest easy: there are more than half a dozen maintained, and there's no reason why the addition of any new forum should have any affect on the knowledge base anyway, so other than earthquake or other catastrophe the backups will never be needed. > Usage needs: I uses a great tool called "MPEG2 Works 4" for drag and > drop processing of muxed video and export to QT. But I really don't > what to be on a mailing list of video nerds: my needs and interest > are very narrow. Serbian's forum for MPEG2 Works 4 is perfect, I need > help, ask a question, set "watch this to one" get an answer, I'm notified > by email that my question is answered... with a clickable link back to > the forum, to my thread. True, for the more casual users who would seem to reflect the company's shift toward consumer products, a dip-in-as-needed forum would be helpful. But if you make your living with Rev it's really helpful to have all posts come into your awareness, even if just in the convenient digest mode. Software pros are busy people; using push rather than hunt-and-pull keeps a broader range of relevant info flowing past the eyeballs who need to see it. The nice thing is that there's no reason the forums should need to be any sort of either-or proposition. Each is good for its own reasons, and they make a great "also" for one another. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From rcozens at pon.net Mon Sep 4 10:38:56 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:38:56 -0700 Subject: drag stack window In-Reply-To: <44FBFABA.000006.02492@MAZYTIS> References: <1hl506x.1rbia0mx4a877M%mcdomi@free.fr> <44FBFABA.000006.02492@MAZYTIS> Message-ID: Hi Viktoras, >If window shape is set to graphics (with no title bar and controls shown) >how do we make the window dragable, so it can be dragged around the desktop? An alternative to Klaus' solution: on mouseMove -- 26 Mar 06:RCC if the mouse is up then exit mouseMove set the loc of this stack to the ScreenMouseLoc end mouseMove -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Mon Sep 4 11:09:36 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:09:36 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009701c6d034$2f531a50$6501a8c0@lynn> > > otherwise you are limited to the home page... > > I guess I phrased the question badly :-( > > What is the benefit of the forums? >From a user perspective, forums have a number of benefits: - Articles/writing can be organized more topically than in mailing lists. Sure, there are threads in mailing lists, but that doesn't tie together all threads on a particular subject. - Forums allow post-posting editing/reorganizing by the writer and by the moderator/admin. - Forums allow a form of communal segmentation if that is desirable. If all you want to do is hang on the K-12 forum, then you can hang there with others that care about it. - Forums are more territorial than mailing lists and that brings with it a few benefits to the forum owner. I recognize there are downsides to forums, too. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Sep 4 12:25:05 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:25:05 -0700 Subject: drag stack window In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Rob Cozens wrote: >> If window shape is set to graphics (with no title bar and controls shown) >> how do we make the window dragable, so it can be dragged around the desktop? > > An alternative to Klaus' solution: > > on mouseMove -- 26 Mar 06:RCC > if the mouse is up then exit mouseMove > set the loc of this stack to the ScreenMouseLoc > end mouseMove It may not be the best idea to poll the state of the mouse. In the past, this practice was deemed to be inefficient by the creators of the engine, but more so, the mouseUp message was sometimes missed, especially is fast-click situations. Thus Klaus's method of setting a variable state is usually the preferred method. Of course your mileage may vary. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From hershf at rgllc.us Mon Sep 4 14:24:30 2006 From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:24:30 -0400 Subject: Cgi function In-Reply-To: <99B1BC7E-366C-4C6A-AF3B-557AE650500C@net2000.ch> Message-ID: On 8/31/06 12:49 PM, "Joel Guillod" wrote: So what's the verdict? How do I do that? Thanks, Hershel >> revSetDatabaseDriverPath... > > The rev documentation states that : > ?The revSetDatabaseDriverPath command is part of the Database > library. To ensure that the command works in a standalone > application, you must include this custom library when you create > your standalone.? > > I have no idea but a need to solve this problem. With rev CGI you > only have the engine not a standalone which includes the library. So > maybe we have to manually include the revDatabase Library into > another stack... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From katir at hindu.org Mon Sep 4 15:25:51 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:25:51 -1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> References: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <44FC7DBF.4080205@hindu.org> hmmm, seems this is a sensitive area. Well, I certainly never meant to imply that the list should go away! For Heaven's Sake -- No! As an on-going integrated knowledge base it is possibly *the* most important user resource that Revolution has going for it and vies with the documentation itself as a mission critical for new people. once a newbie realizes he can access tools to search the lists, it's a big time gateway to not re-inventing the wheel and feeling confident that "Yes, i can do it, just look at these resources!" Vs saying "Oh gosh, this is so far over my head... forget it..." Also, to be more accurate, the forums at Expert's Exchange are separate by virtue of being separate disciplines. The discussion about Apache web admin has nothing to do with the discussion about CSS. But within the field of CSS we don't have different forums: like one forum for CSS Design and one forum for CSS Rules and another forum for Positioning with CSS-- that would be nuts. For Revolution, one would be hard put to define any separate "disciplines" that really warranted forums. Especially at this stage... Also as one who is an "amateur programmer" despite years of xtalk I don't consider myself an expert, and I'm not sure that the distinction between "newbie" and "expert" is a useful one in any framework in terms of using that distinction to "chop up" the discourse through some architecture that puts hard walls between them. At Expert's Exchange the entire model is just the other way round: newbies and non-expert's are in direct relationship with experts in the same "field" of discourse. To lose this will be a disservice to new people, who are lurkers for the most part, but will spot key things in the discourse of professionals that spur them on, give them ideas, hope solutions etc... even if they never post themselves. Right now the list is the only place this "silent" interaction can occur with such "unfettered" dynamism. If you cut off newbies from the discourse of expert's, the result will be that they find it hard to grow and possibly even leave the product. It would be a major strategic error for any company. Richard Gaskin wrote: > Sivakatirswami wrote: > >> Scale: I don't know how many of you are members of Expert's Exchange, >> (EE) but with 3 Million + members, the idea of getting a mailing >> digests from EE with daily posts by all members is clearly insane. A >> forum is >> the only option. > > Perhaps, but even if the current growth rate was estimated > unrealistically high, it would be a loooooong time before the RunRev > audience reached millions of email list subscribers. > > Long before then, the audience who enjoys email discussion forums would > have organically broken into smaller SIGs; we see some of this even now > in the Rev world (see the Links page at RevJournal.com). > > As we've seen with the Rev crowd, most communities are organically > self-regulating. > > >> Same with Apple or Adobe. I once joined an Apache mailing list and >> was so overwhelmed with posts on the list that I had to ask my question, >> got an answer and unsubscribe asap! >> Wished it was a forum....now I don't use that list at all, I ask >> apache questions at EE... for this very reason. > > It's also worth noting that while Apple maintains a web forum for their > casual consumer audience, they also maintain discussion lists for their > developers. Developer needs are more intensive than consumer's. > > With Rev's entry-level product now priced way below industry averages at > $49, it would appear in price and design to address a more casual > consumer audience, implying of course a shift away from conversing with > the pro-dev audience which had focused their message while the company > had made only pro tools. How a small company will be able to handle > this broadly disparate messaging schism will be interesting to see as it > plays out, but the current organic result of a list for serious users > and a web forum for more casual users seems consistent with your > observation of highly successful companies like Apple. > >> We're not there yet with Rev (scale wise) but maybe soon... so the >> framework is in place. > > We can hope, as a good many of us "old-timers" have been working hard to > help make happen for many years. As it does, however, there would seem > no reason why any forum couldn't be available in both email and web > form. Anything less seems a little odd, a touch behind the times for a > technology vendor. > > The current forum is apparently still being set up. For example, unlike > most product forums out there, it's not possible to even read the posts > at the Rev forum until after you've submitted your personal data and > wait to have it human-verified. The readers there have overwhelmingly > favored adhering to traditional convention by at least allowing read > access for guests, so it seems reasonable that'll be set up as the > system gets fleshed out. Adding an email interface would seem almost as > simple to set up as the system moves toward completion. > > But even when the email interface is added, it would be incomplete > without also including the knowledge base that this community has > created here over the years. Perhaps the most empowering part of the > Rev community is being able to drop into a search of this list's > archives and know that I can find almost any answer to any topic, > algorithms for every need, valuable code snippets, tips and tricks for > working with the IDE, etc. > > If that ever went away the community would lose its most valuable asset. > But rest easy: there are more than half a dozen maintained, and > there's no reason why the addition of any new forum should have any > affect on the knowledge base anyway, so other than earthquake or other > catastrophe the backups will never be needed. > > >> Usage needs: I uses a great tool called "MPEG2 Works 4" for drag and >> drop processing of muxed video and export to QT. But I really don't >> what to be on a mailing list of video nerds: my needs and interest >> are very narrow. Serbian's forum for MPEG2 Works 4 is perfect, I need >> help, ask a question, set "watch this to one" get an answer, I'm >> notified by email that my question is answered... with a clickable >> link back to the forum, to my thread. > > True, for the more casual users who would seem to reflect the company's > shift toward consumer products, a dip-in-as-needed forum would be helpful. > > But if you make your living with Rev it's really helpful to have all > posts come into your awareness, even if just in the convenient digest > mode. Software pros are busy people; using push rather than > hunt-and-pull keeps a broader range of relevant info flowing past the > eyeballs who need to see it. > > The nice thing is that there's no reason the forums should need to be > any sort of either-or proposition. Each is good for its own reasons, > and they make a great "also" for one another. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Sep 4 17:31:49 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:31:49 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <009701c6d034$2f531a50$6501a8c0@lynn> References: <009701c6d034$2f531a50$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: <2819285791.20060904143149@ahsoftware.net> Lynn- Monday, September 4, 2006, 8:09:36 AM, you wrote: > - Articles/writing can be organized more topically than in mailing lists. > Sure, there are threads in mailing lists, but that doesn't tie together all > threads on a particular subject. > - Forums allow post-posting editing/reorganizing by the writer and by the > moderator/admin. > - Forums allow a form of communal segmentation if that is desirable. If all > you want to do is hang on the K-12 forum, then you can hang there with > others that care about it. > - Forums are more territorial than mailing lists and that brings with it a > few benefits to the forum owner. > I recognize there are downsides to forums, too. Thank you. I'm more oriented toward the mailing list approach, and as Richard Gaskin points out, I appreciate having all posts come my way even if I decide to ignore them. But you have laid out here the first logically compelling rationalization I've seen for the advantages of a web forum. I'd still like to have the phpBB email option enabled on the rev forum, but now I'm looking forward to joining up. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 17:36:00 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:36:00 +1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> References: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > But if you make your living with Rev it's really helpful to have all > posts come into your awareness, even if just in the convenient digest > mode. Software pros are busy people; using push rather than > hunt-and-pull keeps a broader range of relevant info flowing past the > eyeballs who need to see it. I think this is the key to my problem with the forums. I like to be able to scan all the posts as emails, without having to plod my way through a maze of folders & sub-folders. I can scan the emails quickly for anything that interests me and search the archives easily, but the forums don't allow such ease of use. When they acquire an email facility, I will get the forum postings sent to me and hopefully, I will be able to reply to postings by email too. Until then, I will not be particiapting in the forums, Thanks to everyone who responded to my question. Regards, Sarah From dave at crystalpiersw.com Mon Sep 4 17:48:40 2006 From: dave at crystalpiersw.com (Dave Beck) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:48:40 -0300 Subject: multiple document icons In-Reply-To: <20060904170004.9D739825B75@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20060904201143.00677825CEE@mail.runrev.com> I must say I'm very happy with the new single instance support for Windows applications. Many of my clients were confused when they couldn't open a doc created by my rev app by double clicking it in Windows Explorer. I'm very grateful that the brilliant Rev team has solved that issue! Thanks! I'm now wondering if it is possible to store multiple (different) document icons for different document types in the standalone binaries. I do not see support for this in the standalone builder. In windows it is customary to store all these icons in the executable. Is there a way to do this with Rev, or perhaps it would it be possible to create a "dummy" application just to store the icons somehow? Has anybody attempted this yet? Thanks very much in advance for any help. Dave From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Sep 4 22:47:55 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:47:55 -0500 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: References: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <44FCE55B.9040504@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > When they acquire an email facility, I will get the forum postings > sent to me and hopefully, I will be able to reply to postings by email > too. Until then, I will not be particiapting in the forums, I'm in the same boat. I just don't have time to mess with a forum/web interface. I tried to read it a few times and it took forever to get through even just a few messages. I tried to post once and simply could not type and edit in the tiny box they give you. I finally ended up typing my message in BBEdit and pasting it into the miniscule text area. I could not get the tags to work, so my message was plain text. That is way too much work for anyone with a life. When there is an email interface I will participate. The difficulty of reading and posting to the forum as it is currently set up makes it impossible for me to use. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From chipp at chipp.com Mon Sep 4 22:50:49 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:50:49 -0500 Subject: Get Poser 5 Free During Labor Day Weekend In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260609031033k566ab07ai86f44daeb853ead5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609021820.k82IKg18024332@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <3f07cc260609031033k566ab07ai86f44daeb853ead5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210609041950y52438286m6e5a9295b101533f@mail.gmail.com> Though the downloads limits have been reached, they've told me the download would be available (if you purchased it..for $0) forever. So, then, no problem. From chipp at chipp.com Mon Sep 4 23:04:08 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:04:08 -0500 Subject: eye-candy GUI design In-Reply-To: <44FB2EBE.000001.02584@MAZYTIS> References: <44FB2EBE.000001.02584@MAZYTIS> Message-ID: <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> Also, Check out MODO's interface. It's really IMO the best of breed interface for 3D apps out there at this moment. Many of the 3D applications create a single interface to work across multiple platforms. Some of them do a better job than others, but none the less, they are all interesting...to me. Thanks Scott for the Altuit mention. There are some screenshots of some older projects along with some newer stuff. www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRevCaseStudies/Screenshots.htm I use our product, Interface Designer along with ButtonGadget2, to create all our interfaces these days. Interface Designer helps with the layout, while ButtonGadget2 automatically builds 4 stage buttons and imports them into stacks. Both work on Mac and PC. Interface Designer: ButtonGadget2 www.buttongadget.com From katir at hindu.org Mon Sep 4 23:24:50 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:24:50 -1000 Subject: Call for Media Viewer Test: Windows Users Especially In-Reply-To: <44FA6038.5060101@hindu.org> References: <44F6A669.8000308@hindu.org> <7aa52a210609020030y2340b95agfd92afdbb26d054a@mail.gmail.com> <44FA6038.5060101@hindu.org> Message-ID: <44FCEE02.4040504@hindu.org> Chipp Walters wrote: > That works! OK, we are learning... My guidebook to date: (Disclaimer: no proof for any of this stuff! its from the school of WHEW-WhatEverWorks) 1) don't use SMIL with multi-seq's with durations 2) don't auto start 3) don't set player names to remote URL's until the whole UI stack is open and loaded -- the stack is deployed with the filename of the players null 4) set the file name of the player to a remote URL from some button or menu the user has access to only *after* the stack is loaded... Thanks for testing! Sivakatirswami Sivakatirswami wrote: > > > ouch: > > OK try this one. the players are set to .mov files and not to .smil > files... > i.e. the player will just try to stream them straight away... > > go stack (URL > "http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/htde_media-player_no-smil.rev") > > Does this hold up... Other windows users are saying it does... > so it shouldn't crash Rev...but at least one says she sees no controllers > > > > Chipp Walters wrote: >> Crashed on my WinXP machine. Started loading, then started playing a >> bit, then Rev crashed. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ From viktoras at ekoinf.net Tue Sep 5 04:39:51 2006 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:39:51 +0300 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: eye-candy GUI design References: <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FD37D6.000001.03124@MAZYTIS> Thanks Chipp for even more info ! Best regards Viktoras -------Original Message------- From: Chipp Walters Date: 09/05/06 06:04:29 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: eye-candy GUI design Also, Check out MODO's interface. It's really IMO the best of breed interface for 3D apps out there at this moment. Many of the 3D applications create a single interface to work across multiple platforms. Some of them do a better job than others, but none the less, they are all interesting...to me. Thanks Scott for the Altuit mention. There are some screenshots of some older projects along with some newer stuff. www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRevCaseStudies/Screenshots.htm I use our product, Interface Designer along with ButtonGadget2, to create all our interfaces these days. Interface Designer helps with the layout, while ButtonGadget2 automatically builds 4 stage buttons and imports them into stacks. Both work on Mac and PC. Interface Designer: ButtonGadget2 www.buttongadget.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Sep 5 05:52:22 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 02:52:22 -0700 Subject: eye-candy GUI design In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Chipp Walters wrote: > Check out MODO's interface. It's really IMO the best of breed > interface for 3D apps out there at this moment. [ slap forehead ] It just dawned on me where your UI color scheme came from. :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Sep 5 06:00:09 2006 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:00:09 +0200 Subject: eye-candy GUI design In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> References: <44FB2EBE.000001.02584@MAZYTIS> <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824B33AF-01C6-411F-835E-E13DB090A4FE@economy-x-talk.com> Do you know about a site with screenshots of Modo? Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 5-sep-2006, om 5:04 heeft Chipp Walters het volgende geschreven: > Also, > > Check out MODO's interface. It's really IMO the best of breed > interface for 3D apps out there at this moment. Many of the 3D > applications create a single interface to work across multiple > platforms. Some of them do a better job than others, but none the > less, they are all interesting...to me. > From shari at gypsyware.com Tue Sep 5 09:27:02 2006 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:27:02 -0400 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> References: <44FC35E4.8070501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: At 7:19 AM -0700 9/4/06, Richard Gaskin wrote: >The current forum is apparently still being set up. For example, >unlike most product forums out there, it's not possible to even read >the posts at the Rev forum until after you've submitted your >personal data and wait to have it human-verified. The readers there >have overwhelmingly favored adhering to traditional convention by at >least allowing read access for guests, so it seems reasonable >that'll be set up as the system gets fleshed out. Adding an email >interface would seem almost as simple to set up as the system moves >toward completion. I can verify this. I signed up the other day, and am still awaiting my "human verification" part. I was curious about the forum dedicated to adventure gaming, as that is my current project. I have no idea if the forum even has activity. But it seemed worth looking into. At 7:19 AM -0700 9/4/06, Richard Gaskin wrote: >But even when the email interface is added, it would be incomplete >without also including the knowledge base that this community has >created here over the years. Perhaps the most empowering part of >the Rev community is being able to drop into a search of this list's >archives and know that I can find almost any answer to any topic, >algorithms for every need, valuable code snippets, tips and tricks >for working with the IDE, etc. The archives are a godsend. I often look there for answers. So I echo your sentiments :-) Breakfast is ready, must go.... Shari -- Gypsy King Software Mac and Windows shareware games http://www.gypsyware.com From rcozens at pon.net Tue Sep 5 11:20:39 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:20:39 -0700 Subject: drag stack window Message-ID: Scott, et al: I must be feeling defensive or argumentative this morning: I had deleted your admonishment re polling the mouse state--it's worked flawlessly for me since March, but as you said, "Your mileage may vary." Anyway, seems I can't let it go at that. First: we are talking about polling the mouse state in a mouseMove handler, not in general. Second: we are talking specifically about a user action to drag a window across the screen. So what can go wrong? A. The user releases the mouse simultaneously with ending a "mouse motion" and the mouseMove handler finds its state to be up? Since mouseMove continues to be sent until the mouse is released, the window ends up at the coordinates sent in the penultimate mouseMove message. B. The user presses the mouse simultaneously with ending a "mouse motion" and the mouseMove handler finds its state to be down? The window locates under the mouseLoc one mouseMove message earlier than it should. I seriously wonder if you can find a way to force polling the mouse state in a mouseMove handler to return a state different from the state of the mouse when the mouseMove message was sent. Actually, I thought someone might comment on the differences in the visual manifestation of the two approaches. Klaus' approach maintains the relative positioning of the window under the mouse (eg. if mouseDown in upper right corner, the window is moved so the upper right corner remains under the mouse), whereas mine places the loc of the window under the mouse. These are two different effects. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Sep 5 11:43:02 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:43:02 -0500 Subject: drag stack window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FD9B06.3080408@hyperactivesw.com> Rob Cozens wrote: > First: we are talking about polling the mouse state in a mouseMove > handler, not in general. > > Second: we are talking specifically about a user action to drag a > window across the screen. > > So what can go wrong? It isn't so much that something can wrong, it's more about the strain on the CPU. Since you are using a mousemove message to check the button position, it isn't as bad as when a script does the same thing inside a repeat loop (which is almost always a no-no.) I think your method is okay, but there would be less lockup on the CPU with Klaus' method. For those who haven't seen it yet, there's an explanation here: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From laurent at ostiz.com Tue Sep 5 12:25:21 2006 From: laurent at ostiz.com (Laurent Ostiz) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:25:21 +0200 Subject: revXML encoding, STS XML and namespaces Message-ID: Hi ! I am using Revolution Studio 2.7.3 on a Mactel. I use the revXML library to parse XML files (mainly european RSS feeds). I do not understand how revXML encodes or decodes the node contents. If I do not modify the xml header, and if an encoding attribute is specified, strings from revXMLNodeContents are not encoded or decoded in mac format nor iso format. If before creating the tree, I use ISOtoMAc on the XML data, whith the same xml header, node contents are again not valid (which should be ok since encoding attributes do not match real encoding). The only way I have found is to suppress encoding attribute, operate an isoToMac on XML data if encoding is ISO-8859-1, and creating the tree. Well, I guess revXML library take care of xml encoding attribute, but how ? Also, how to specify an encoding when creating XML files ? Is there a default encoding ? At the same time, for those who use STS XML Library, how the things above are managed ? Last question, do you know a solution in RR to handle namespaces in XML 1.0 ? It is a big shame that RR does not provide a full featured XML library with associated technologies (XSLT, Schema, etc.) considering the major uses of this technologie? my 2 cents ! Best regards Laurent From mcdomi at free.fr Tue Sep 5 12:31:18 2006 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:31:18 +0200 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <1hl506x.1rbia0mx4a877M%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <1hl7fbd.14frpc09kh2h0M%mcdomi@free.fr> Dom wrote: > by the way, I cannot yet access to the forums... how much time it takes to get registered? oddly, my username (simply "dom") is in the member list -- but my password is refused, and when I click on "lost password" I am answered that I am NOT registered! From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Sep 5 12:34:54 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:34:54 -0500 Subject: revXML encoding, STS XML and namespaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/5/06 11:25 AM, "Laurent Ostiz" wrote: > At the same time, for those who use STS XML Library, how the things > above are managed ? Laurent, The STS XML Library does not touch the XML contents (or the tree for that matter) in any way; that is, it does not impart any encoding or decoding to the XML tree. XML nodes are parsed based on the tags, and whatever is between the tags is what is returned when you ask for the node contents. If you would like to try it, you can download the "Basic" version and try it with your data; in fact since you mentioned RSS feeds, there's a special RSS plugin for the STS XML Library that makes it easier to work with those: http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm If you have any other questions, please let me know offlist (unless you feel others should be aware)... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Tue Sep 5 12:52:27 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:52:27 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <1hl7fbd.14frpc09kh2h0M%mcdomi@free.fr> Message-ID: <002c01c6d10b$b878fca0$6501a8c0@lynn> > how much time it takes to get registered? > > oddly, my username (simply "dom") is in the member list -- > but my password is refused, and when I click on "lost > password" I am answered that I am NOT registered! Give it a try now. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Tue Sep 5 12:50:42 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:50:42 -0700 Subject: Revolution, RevSelect/Community Partner Demo at IFA; Demo Your Apps at Digital Life Message-ID: <002b01c6d10b$79d02f50$6501a8c0@lynn> http://u3smartblog.u3.com/?p=75 Get a look at Malte holding an invisible foot-long hotdog! No really, Malte did a great job over the weekend representing Runtime Revolution and promoting Animation Engine in the U3 booth at the IFA show. Not only did a multitude of tire kickers get their first look at Revolution, but also numerous companies, including several of the largest flash drive makers in the world (who were interested since its nice to be able to bundle compatible applications!) This reminds me that U3 is also interested in having a demo at the Digital Life show in New York. http://www.digitallife.com/flash.html If you can be in New York in October, this a good opportunity for a community partner to get involved with Runtime and U3, help us evangelize Revolution and show off your own products. Contact me off list if you are interested. A more formal, official notice is coming - this is an advanced heads up since IFA was such a success. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Sep 5 13:02:56 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:02:56 -0700 Subject: drag stack window In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Rob Cozens wrote: > we are talking specifically about a user action to drag a > window across the screen. > > So what can go wrong? In my experience, any script that results in repeat polling of the mouse can can "miss" a mouse message. I've seen it before with a fast double click, even by accident. If this behavior occurs in a drag region, it can cause the window to be stuck in a drag state until you click again. You may not experience this behavior on your system but you asked what can go wrong. Using script variations of what Jacque has posted on her site minimizes this possibility. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From mcdomi at free.fr Tue Sep 5 13:19:16 2006 From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:19:16 +0200 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <002c01c6d10b$b878fca0$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: <1hl7hmv.r925tsnixk7mM%mcdomi@free.fr> Lynn Fredricks wrote: > Give it a try now. that works now :-) thanks! From david at openpartnership.net Tue Sep 5 14:45:30 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:45:30 -0400 Subject: No minimise with menus hidden? Message-ID: Is it just me - have not noticed this before - but when the menubar is hidden on OSX the stack decorations no longer allow you to inimise the stacks??? From david at openpartnership.net Tue Sep 5 15:07:38 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:07:38 -0400 Subject: Call for Media Viewer Test: Windows Users Especially In-Reply-To: <44FCEE02.4040504@hindu.org> References: <44F6A669.8000308@hindu.org> <7aa52a210609020030y2340b95agfd92afdbb26d054a@mail.gmail.com> <44FA6038.5060101@hindu.org> <44FCEE02.4040504@hindu.org> Message-ID: I"ve been experimenting a bit with using SMIL for slide shows... what do you mean by: On 04/09/06, Sivakatirswami wrote: > 1) don't use SMIL with multi-seq's with durations Which sequences are OK - do you mean layout with multiple tracks - so no sound track and slide? Also my guess is that a better direction to look at is the use of podcast formats: take a look at this: http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/PodcastChapterTool From jeff at siphonophore.com Tue Sep 5 15:09:46 2006 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:09:46 -0400 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <20060905170005.49803826A73@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060905170005.49803826A73@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Yes i was curious why the forums were locked event to peek at the content. As Richard stated its a big turn off for most users, you would like to know what you are signing up for before signing up. If this is to hide that some of the forums dont have many posts its not a good move for rev either since it would piss me off to go to the trouble of signing up and then find out what i wanted wasn't there yet or what i wanted. I too much prefer this list. put it in digest form and its really fast and easy to scan and i even run across a few things when scrolling through the digest email that i may not have clicked on by the title. I have used several web forums, and as others have noted, always find i quickly stop using them since having to go to the site and scan the lists in various ways (depending on the forum ui) just was a bit too much. Im probably a member of 20 email lists and they all are extremely fast and easy to keep on top of while taking relatively little time to do this each day. Personally I also dislike the specific benefits made by Lynn of a forum of posts being editable or controllable. these lists are very self limiting and the few storms that come up go away quickly. a good free and open discourse is the heart and sole of what makes this such a wonderful list for all and probably one of the major supports of the product for the company (and i would hesitate to say w/o it, it may not have made it this far). a big brother approach to this kind of discourse (ie channeling, censoring, or editing) ruins it with even the threat of it. Jeffrey Reynolds On Sep 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> The current forum is apparently still being set up. For example, >> unlike most product forums out there, it's not possible to even read >> the posts at the Rev forum until after you've submitted your >> personal data and wait to have it human-verified. The readers there >> have overwhelmingly favored adhering to traditional convention by at >> least allowing read access for guests, so it seems reasonable >> that'll be set up as the system gets fleshed out. Adding an email >> interface would seem almost as simple to set up as the system moves >> toward completion. > > I can verify this. I signed up the other day, and am still awaiting > my "human verification" part. I was curious about the forum > dedicated to adventure gaming, as that is my current project. I have > no idea if the forum even has activity. But it seemed worth looking > into. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Sep 5 15:23:20 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:23:20 -0700 Subject: OT: Zela Message-ID: <17397976773.20060905122320@ahsoftware.net> All- Since I didn't make it to Burning Man this year, I thought I'd do the next best thing and share my current favorite Wikipedia entry: For a while, Zela, known as Zilch, was a kaza in the sandjak of Tokat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zela -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Tue Sep 5 15:34:53 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:34:53 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c6d122$68fad4c0$6501a8c0@lynn> > Personally I also dislike the specific benefits made by Lynn > of a forum of posts being editable or controllable. these > lists are very self limiting and the few storms that come up > go away quickly. a good free and open discourse is the heart > and sole of what makes this such a wonderful list for all and > probably one of the major supports of the product for the > company (and i would hesitate to say w/o it, it may not have > made it this far). a big brother approach to this kind of > discourse (ie channeling, censoring, or editing) ruins it > with even the threat of it. Storms never go away because lists are retransmitted and syndicated, often without permission from the list owner. A lot of list software also doesn't allow easy editing of archives. So, for example, if some person transmitted a bunch of illegal serial numbers or made untrue, libelous or fraudulent statements on a mailing list its extremely hard to clean up later. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl Tue Sep 5 16:01:08 2006 From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:01:08 +0200 Subject: Flexible field with Quartam Reports possible? Message-ID: Hi there, I am testing Quartam Reports and I love the simplicity of it. I wonder if there is a way to make a flexible field in Quartam Reports because in the app I have I use a field in which the amount of text depends on the users choices. Now it happens that the report doesn't show all of the text because you have to set the size of the field in Quartam reports. There is more text then fits into the field. It isn't flexible (it doesn't rezise)! Is it possible what I want? Is there a workaround? Or do I want the impossible? greetings, William de Smet From yvescoppe at skynet.be Tue Sep 5 16:28:05 2006 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:28:05 +0200 Subject: Flexible field with Quartam Reports possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 05-sept.-06 ? 22:01, William de Smet a ?crit : > Hi there, > > I am testing Quartam Reports and I love the simplicity of it. > I wonder if there is a way to make a flexible field in Quartam Reports > because in the app I have I use a field in which the amount of text > depends on the users choices. > > Now it happens that the report doesn't show all of the text because > you have to set the size of the field in Quartam reports. There is > more text then fits into the field. It isn't flexible (it doesn't > rezise)! > > Is it possible what I want? Is there a workaround? > Or do I want the impossible? > yes it is possible I use Quartam also and find it very easy to use. You can make auto- flow fld by checking the check btn in the fld properties > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From chipp at chipp.com Tue Sep 5 17:03:14 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:03:14 -0500 Subject: eye-candy GUI design In-Reply-To: References: <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210609051403j44455a6eo46aea944b45f024d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/5/06, Scott Rossi wrote: > [ slap forehead ] It just dawned on me where your UI color scheme came > from. :-) And you always thought I was ONLY ripping YOU off. See, I'm an equal opportunity interface ripper-offer!! From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 17:21:28 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:21:28 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <001f01c6d122$68fad4c0$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: This is a very cogent argument for restricted access. Perhaps this should be explained to the new visitors so they realize that you are serious about content and moderation that enhances the value of the forum beyond simple message storage in threads. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 9/5/06 12:34 PM, "Lynn Fredricks" wrote: >> Personally I also dislike the specific benefits made by Lynn >> of a forum of posts being editable or controllable. these >> lists are very self limiting and the few storms that come up >> go away quickly. a good free and open discourse is the heart >> and sole of what makes this such a wonderful list for all and >> probably one of the major supports of the product for the >> company (and i would hesitate to say w/o it, it may not have >> made it this far). a big brother approach to this kind of >> discourse (ie channeling, censoring, or editing) ruins it >> with even the threat of it. > > Storms never go away because lists are retransmitted and syndicated, often > without permission from the list owner. > > A lot of list software also doesn't allow easy editing of archives. So, for > example, if some person transmitted a bunch of illegal serial numbers or > made untrue, libelous or fraudulent statements on a mailing list its > extremely hard to clean up later. > > Best regards, > > > Lynn Fredricks > Worldwide Business Operations > Runtime Revolution, Ltd > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 17:49:55 2006 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Flexible field with Quartam Reports possible? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060905214955.83281.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> --- Yves COPPE wrote: > > Le 05-sept.-06 ? 22:01, William de Smet a ?crit : > > > Hi there, > > > > I am testing Quartam Reports and I love the > simplicity of it. > > I wonder if there is a way to make a flexible > field in Quartam Reports > > because in the app I have I use a field in which > the amount of text > > depends on the users choices. > > > > Now it happens that the report doesn't show all of > the text because > > you have to set the size of the field in Quartam > reports. There is > > more text then fits into the field. It isn't > flexible (it doesn't > > rezise)! > > > > Is it possible what I want? Is there a workaround? > > Or do I want the impossible? > > > > > > yes it is possible > > I use Quartam also and find it very easy to use. You > can make auto- > flow fld by checking the check btn in the fld > properties > > Greetings. > Yves COPPE > Hi William, I'm glad to hear that you like Quartam Reports. Yves was actually jumping the gun a bit - this feature was the number one request from users and therefore is built into the upcoming Quartam Reports 1.1. That's why he told you to tick a checkbox that isn't there yet ;-) As private beta-tester, he and numerous others have continually provided me with valuable feedback on its progress. Some of them even use the beta in their own software today. But it's not available to the general public just yet. For an overview of the new features in Quartam Reports 1.1, please visit the brand-new page on my website: Buy Quartam Reports today, and receive your upgrade to version 1.1 for free, scheduled to ship in October 2006. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue Sep 5 18:05:34 2006 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:05:34 -0400 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR Message-ID: I have confirmed that standalone apps created with Revolution (all versions including 2.7.3) do not render the display correctly when using Remote Desktop. All field backgrounds and most images turn completely black. The same behavior occurs when connected to a Windows PC using the free Mac OS X client for Remote Desktop. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx?pid=remotedesktopclient I have to run applications remotely all the time, and this bug prevents my Rev applications from displaying like normal Windows applications. Has anyone else seen this and considers it to be a serious problem? Roger Eller From mark at maseurope.net Tue Sep 5 18:07:33 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 23:07:33 +0100 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6022AEE6-8CE8-427A-89CD-09FACF6E2B66@maseurope.net> Not that it's likely to be much help, but I've not had this problem using VNC.... Best, Mark On 5 Sep 2006, at 23:05, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > I have confirmed that standalone apps created with Revolution (all > versions including 2.7.3) do not render the display correctly when > using > Remote Desktop. All field backgrounds and most images turn completely > black. > > The same behavior occurs when connected to a Windows PC using the > free Mac > OS X client for Remote Desktop. > > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? > pid=remotedesktopclient > > I have to run applications remotely all the time, and this bug > prevents my > Rev applications from displaying like normal Windows applications. Has > anyone else seen this and considers it to be a serious problem? > > Roger Eller > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Sep 5 18:18:23 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:18:23 -0700 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90C81728-5B68-458E-881A-116DAF44A738@mangomultimedia.com> On Sep 5, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > I have confirmed that standalone apps created with Revolution (all > versions including 2.7.3) do not render the display correctly when > using > Remote Desktop. All field backgrounds and most images turn completely > black. > > The same behavior occurs when connected to a Windows PC using the > free Mac > OS X client for Remote Desktop. > > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? > pid=remotedesktopclient > > I have to run applications remotely all the time, and this bug > prevents my > Rev applications from displaying like normal Windows applications. Has > anyone else seen this and considers it to be a serious problem? I have experienced the same problem. There is a bug on the issue I believe. What is interesting is that if you start the app on the Windows computer while logged in at the computer itself and then connect using RDC with the app already running, everything looks fine. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com trevor at bluemangolearning.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Sep 5 18:59:16 2006 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 00:59:16 +0200 Subject: eye-candy GUI design In-Reply-To: <824B33AF-01C6-411F-835E-E13DB090A4FE@economy-x-talk.com> References: <44FB2EBE.000001.02584@MAZYTIS> <7aa52a210609042004n1ab448bagefefaad4f9b4457b@mail.gmail.com> <824B33AF-01C6-411F-835E-E13DB090A4FE@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: I found one: . Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 5-sep-2006, om 12:00 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven: > Do you know about a site with screenshots of Modo? > > Mark > > > Op 5-sep-2006, om 5:04 heeft Chipp Walters het volgende geschreven: > >> Also, >> >> Check out MODO's interface. It's really IMO the best of breed >> interface for 3D apps out there at this moment. Many of the 3D >> applications create a single interface to work across multiple >> platforms. Some of them do a better job than others, but none the >> less, they are all interesting...to me. >> From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue Sep 5 20:14:16 2006 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:14:16 -0400 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR Message-ID: > I have experienced the same problem. There is a bug on the issue I > believe. What is interesting is that if you start the app on the > Windows computer while logged in at the computer itself and then > connect using RDC with the app already running, everything looks fine. > > -- > Trevor DeVore I found the original bug posting. It is number 1076, and was reported at version 2.1.2 waaaay back in December of 2003. Having the need to use Remote Desktop to connect to and manage remote servers doesn't allow me the luxury of first launching the app directly on the machine. This needs to get fixed. I have cast my 5 votes. Please, everyone... vote for bug 1076 to be resolved. We can't deliver professional tools to server professionals with Rev apps looking like this! Roger Eller From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Sep 5 20:12:15 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:12:15 -0500 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FE125F.9040208@hyperactivesw.com> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > I have confirmed that standalone apps created with Revolution (all > versions including 2.7.3) do not render the display correctly when using > Remote Desktop. All field backgrounds and most images turn completely > black. > > The same behavior occurs when connected to a Windows PC using the free Mac > OS X client for Remote Desktop. > > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx?pid=remotedesktopclient > > I have to run applications remotely all the time, and this bug prevents my > Rev applications from displaying like normal Windows applications. Has > anyone else seen this and considers it to be a serious problem? I was trying out Crossover the other day (the software that says it can run Windows apps on an Intel Mac) and it did the same thing. All the tool palette and toolbar icons were black. I thought it was Crossover's fault. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue Sep 5 20:33:41 2006 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:33:41 -0400 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR Message-ID: > Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: >> I have confirmed that standalone apps created with Revolution (all >> versions including 2.7.3) do not render the display correctly when using >> Remote Desktop. All field backgrounds and most images turn completely >> black. >> >> The same behavior occurs when connected to a Windows PC using the free Mac >> OS X client for Remote Desktop. Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote: > I was trying out Crossover the other day (the software that says it can > run Windows apps on an Intel Mac) and it did the same thing. All the > tool palette and toolbar icons were black. I thought it was Crossover's > fault. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com It is interesting that you said "I thought it was Crossover's fault." When reading through the original bug report (#1076), it was implied that the fault was with another vendor. If apps created in Rev are the only apps behaving this way, I think it points to Rev. I saw an ad for Crossover Mac. It looks pretty cool! :-) Was Rev the only app that turned black in Crossover? Roger Eller From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Sep 5 21:27:58 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:27:58 -0500 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FE241E.2030608@hyperactivesw.com> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > I saw an ad for Crossover Mac. It looks pretty cool! :-) Was Rev the > only app that turned black in Crossover? I don't know, Rev was the only app I tried. I have little need for Windows except for cross-platform development so when Rev didn't work I just tossed out the whole thing. Another glitch was that Crossover wouldn't allow my license code to work in 2.7 so I had to test with Rev 2.6.1, which did work. I already own Parallels, which works fine, so I didn't mind that Crossover failed. Parallels does display all the icons and colors correctly, which is one reason I thought the failure was in Crossover. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Tue Sep 5 23:57:49 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:57:49 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> > This is a very cogent argument for restricted access. > Perhaps this should be explained to the new visitors so they > realize that you are serious about content and moderation > that enhances the value of the forum beyond simple message > storage in threads. Im not sure how necessary that would be. I cant think of anyone who has really complained about (other than "where is my authorization?") the restrictions of the forum except for participants on the mailing list who've been around the list for a while and don't like forums. BTW, if you were gnashing about the download issues with Poser 5, the special deal is extended through Friday :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd From david at openpartnership.net Wed Sep 6 00:38:50 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 00:38:50 -0400 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> References: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: Prediction: the RunRev Forum will not be used. The list will continue to be used. The wiki will not be used. The list will be continued to be used. Neither the Forum or the Wiki offer anything compelling over the list. They could have but they do not. The forum is half way between a wiki and the list. The list is integrated with neither. The Rev IDE is integrated with neither. The Forum will dilute the wiki, and the wiki will dilute the Forum. Users will not know where to look for what. The Forum is not integrated with the Wiki. Functionally the whole thing is a mess with all the parts counteracting each other. Still in time - things will get around to being sorted. Either the Forum or the wiki will be dropped. Most likely the wiki - for the wrong reasons. Possibly both - not because these things do not work - but because they are executed badly without an understanding of community and motivational issues. My recommendation? Dump either the Forum or the wiki. I would recommend dumping the Forum. Make sure that whichever one is chosen integrates with the list. Either by changes to the wiki being posted to the list or something better. Next work with the community to ensure that "stuff gets published". The solution is not technical it is social. From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 01:38:21 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:38:21 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: References: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> Message-ID: <70ed6b130609052238n478e1215l5a51a71f5b28c21d@mail.gmail.com> David, I'd agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the solution is to dump the wiki and keep the forums. Wikis are not in common, widespread usage and although I love the little beasties, a lot of folks are just confused by them. Plus, of course, they are apparently a lot easier to spam and deface and therefore require more careful monitoring and maintenance. What RR really needs to do, IMNSHO, is to make the list and the forums essentially functionally equivalent. One should be able to post to the forum via email (which I believe the tool they've chosen supports). Web Crossing, which in my view is the finest cmmunity platform on the planet, makes it possible to maintain exactly equivalent and parallel forums and mailing lists, giving the best of both worlds. It's not that hard. On 9/5/06, David Bovill wrote: > > Prediction: the RunRev Forum will not be used. > > The list will continue to be used. The wiki will not be used. The list > will be continued to be used. Neither the Forum or the Wiki offer > anything compelling over the list. They could have but they do not. > > The forum is half way between a wiki and the list. The list is > integrated with neither. The Rev IDE is integrated with neither. The > Forum will dilute the wiki, and the wiki will dilute the Forum. Users > will not know where to look for what. The Forum is not integrated with > the Wiki. Functionally the whole thing is a mess with all the parts > counteracting each other. > > Still in time - things will get around to being sorted. Either the > Forum or the wiki will be dropped. Most likely the wiki - for the > wrong reasons. Possibly both - not because these things do not work - > but because they are executed badly without an understanding of > community and motivational issues. > > My recommendation? Dump either the Forum or the wiki. I would > recommend dumping the Forum. Make sure that whichever one is chosen > integrates with the list. Either by changes to the wiki being posted > to the list or something better. Next work with the community to > ensure that "stuff gets published". The solution is not technical it > is social. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From lkhatiwada at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 01:40:49 2006 From: lkhatiwada at gmail.com (Laxmi Khatiwada) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:40:49 -0700 Subject: revXML encoding, STS XML and namespaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all I heard rev is found in GPL and search some where in URL , but did not find such site. Can any one suggest me about licencing of Runrev ? . Laxmi Nepal On 9/5/06, Ken Ray wrote: > > On 9/5/06 11:25 AM, "Laurent Ostiz" wrote: > > > At the same time, for those who use STS XML Library, how the things > > above are managed ? > > Laurent, > > The STS XML Library does not touch the XML contents (or the tree for that > matter) in any way; that is, it does not impart any encoding or decoding > to > the XML tree. XML nodes are parsed based on the tags, and whatever is > between the tags is what is returned when you ask for the node contents. > > If you would like to try it, you can download the "Basic" version and try > it > with your data; in fact since you mentioned RSS feeds, there's a special > RSS > plugin for the STS XML Library that makes it easier to work with those: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm > > If you have any other questions, please let me know offlist (unless you > feel > others should be aware)... > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 01:50:59 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:50:59 +1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130609052238n478e1215l5a51a71f5b28c21d@mail.gmail.com> References: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> <70ed6b130609052238n478e1215l5a51a71f5b28c21d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I'd agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the solution is to dump > the wiki and keep the forums. Wikis are not in common, widespread usage and > although I love the little beasties, a lot of folks are just confused by > them. Plus, of course, they are apparently a lot easier to spam and deface > and therefore require more careful monitoring and maintenance. I too agree with David, but I would go the other way around and dump the forums. As someone who uses MySQL only rarely, I'm always having to look up the online docs when I do. I find the user comments at the bottom of each entry to be extremely valuable and would love to see something similar for Rev. If the use-list could appear on the wiki, with the option for people to make comments, which would then come back to the list, that would be great. A full set of docs online, also with user comments would be very useful to everyone. That said, I have only explored the Galaxy & blog parts of the wiki, so I don;t know how much of what I have suggested already exists. Cheers, Sarah From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com Wed Sep 6 02:17:01 2006 From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 23:17:01 -0700 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: References: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> <70ed6b130609052238n478e1215l5a51a71f5b28c21d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. The MYSQL docs rock. If one doesn't get the definition right away, the contributed comments and examples lower in the page will. Rev docs dearly need this feature. sqb >the forums. As someone who uses MySQL only rarely, I'm always having >to look up the online docs when I do. I find the user comments at the >bottom of each entry to be extremely valuable and would love to see >something similar for Rev. > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Sep 6 03:03:16 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:03:16 -0700 Subject: Rev to the Rescue Message-ID: A minor Rev success story... Had some undeletable files on OSX due to apparent unlockable permissions. Apple's Disk Utility didn't work, no third party tools worked, no terminal commands, nor Apple tech notes, (files were trashed from an external drive). What to do? Got the file paths of the trashed files, fired up Rev, used "delete file xyz" and presto, no more misbehaving files. Go team. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl Wed Sep 6 03:28:06 2006 From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 09:28:06 +0200 Subject: Flexible field with Quartam Reports possible? In-Reply-To: <20060905214955.83281.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060905214955.83281.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow, this is really what I need Jan! I am still developing my app so october 2006 will be soon enough for me. Thanks for your reply! By the way, are you Dutch (I am asking because your name is)? greetings, William de Smet 2006/9/5, Jan Schenkel : > --- Yves COPPE wrote: > > > > Le 05-sept.-06 ? 22:01, William de Smet a ?crit : > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am testing Quartam Reports and I love the > > simplicity of it. > > > I wonder if there is a way to make a flexible > > field in Quartam Reports > > > because in the app I have I use a field in which > > the amount of text > > > depends on the users choices. > > > > > > Now it happens that the report doesn't show all of > > the text because > > > you have to set the size of the field in Quartam > > reports. There is > > > more text then fits into the field. It isn't > > flexible (it doesn't > > > rezise)! > > > > > > Is it possible what I want? Is there a workaround? > > > Or do I want the impossible? > > > > > > > > > > > yes it is possible > > > > I use Quartam also and find it very easy to use. You > > can make auto- > > flow fld by checking the check btn in the fld > > properties > > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > > > > Hi William, > > I'm glad to hear that you like Quartam Reports. Yves > was actually jumping the gun a bit - this feature was > the number one request from users and therefore is > built into the upcoming Quartam Reports 1.1. That's > why he told you to tick a checkbox that isn't there > yet ;-) > As private beta-tester, he and numerous others have > continually provided me with valuable feedback on its > progress. Some of them even use the beta in their own > software today. But it's not available to the general > public just yet. > > For an overview of the new features in Quartam Reports > 1.1, please visit the brand-new page on my website: > > Buy Quartam Reports today, and receive your upgrade to > version 1.1 for free, scheduled to ship in October > 2006. > > Best regards, > > Jan Schenkel. > > Quartam Reports for Revolution > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- ICT-co?rdinator Herman Broerenschool 2612 SP Delft 015-2141066 http://www.hermanbroerenschool-delft.nl From viktoras at ekoinf.net Wed Sep 6 03:35:31 2006 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:35:31 +0300 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: eye-candy GUI design References: Message-ID: <44FE7A42.000001.03400@MAZYTIS> it might be that it is not what modo looks like but what it does: http://www.luxology.com/gallery/ Although the price is "a bit" too high :-(. Viktoras -------Original Message------- From: Mark Schonewille Date: 09/06/06 01:59:49 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: eye-candy GUI design I found one: . Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 5-sep-2006, om 12:00 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven: > Do you know about a site with screenshots of Modo? > > Mark > > > Op 5-sep-2006, om 5:04 heeft Chipp Walters het volgende geschreven: > >> Also, >> >> Check out MODO's interface. It's really IMO the best of breed >> interface for 3D apps out there at this moment. Many of the 3D >> applications create a single interface to work across multiple >> platforms. Some of them do a better job than others, but none the >> less, they are all interesting...to me. >> _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Sep 6 02:29:19 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:29:19 -0500 Subject: revXML encoding, STS XML and namespaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/6/06 12:40 AM, "Laxmi Khatiwada" wrote: > Hi all > I heard rev is found in GPL and search some where in URL , but did not find > such site. Can any one suggest me about licencing of Runrev ? . I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but Revolution is not GPL, it is commercial software that is owned by Runtime Revolution; once you have purchased it, you are given the serial number and a license for use. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From SimPLsol at aol.com Wed Sep 6 10:52:03 2006 From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:52:03 EDT Subject: Another Rev to the Rescue Message-ID: Another success story: One of our customers recently had a corrupted stack in our old HyperCard-based business system. It was a "5454" error in his orders archive stack. He had over six thousand records (10 meg.) and "thought" it was being backed up properly. All gone. Historically we've had about one 5454 error per year - with over a thousand users. In the last 18 years we've been able to save all but two of them. Not this one! Over a three week period I tried every tool in my kit at least twice and nothing worked. Then I tried to open the corrupted stack with Rev. It worked. We could salvage all of the data! I consider this even more remarkable because the original HC stack must have been extremely NOT compacted. Paul Looney PS This customer was using one of our older systems (circa 1998). Since then we've found that 5454 errors are caused (at least one cause) by operations on null sets - so we now trap for them. There have only been two of these errors reported since we installed the traps (about six years ago). From david at openpartnership.net Wed Sep 6 12:25:05 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:25:05 -0400 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: References: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> <70ed6b130609052238n478e1215l5a51a71f5b28c21d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Dan - the difference between Forums, blogs and wiki"s was significant - but really they are increasingly merging. Wikipedia for instance has a discuss feature for each wiki page (article) - which is basically a Forum attached to the page, other tools offer similar. Permissions allow fine grained control of which sections are open and which are under editorial control - so there is no real difference there between wiki and Forum. There is only one real difference and that is the way time is treated - both the list and a Forum deal with time as the way the contributions are indexed - with a wiki the key indexing concept is the term defined in the title of the page. This means with a well "designed" wiki - you do not have to read through a historical list and merge all the posts to find your answer. It is a collaborative document. A Forum is a segmented email list on the web and offers minor advantages over - mainly to those old fashioned folks that like to minimise email traffic (rather than search and filter). You get most of that by using: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user If the aim is to enhance the current documentation with community contributions - then a time based metaphor is not going to achieve that (that is without some serious hacking - ie a forum thread for each Transcript term... which basically ends up as a wiki with associated time based discussion thread in any case). My interest is in documentation associated with a repository of shared code - such as a library. For this you need more than a wiki - you need a wiki linked to the code - and both integrated into the RunRev IDE. From jrvalent at wisc.edu Wed Sep 6 14:28:10 2006 From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:28:10 -0500 Subject: Protecting a StackRunner (or Player) stack Message-ID: Hi, all. I've been making some really fun language learning/teaching materials using Rev Studio 2.7.2 on my Mac running OS 10.4.7. I greatly prefer to distribute my stuff (in other words, make it available to students) by just using StackRunner, rather than making standalones, which always seems to entail untold headaches. But since my stacks are preliminary, I want to write an expiration date into them, e.g., one obvious way to do this is check the date in a preopenstack handler, and if it's past a certain date, just cause the stack to quit. But is there any way to protect that preopenstack from prying eyes? Note that the students interact with the stacks _a lot_, so I need the stacks to be totally "editable" in the sense of being able to add data to text fields, click on buttons and change settings, etc. So is there any easy way to protect a script? Thanks. rand valentine From klaus at major-k.de Wed Sep 6 14:56:06 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:56:06 +0200 Subject: Protecting a StackRunner (or Player) stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08C92C37-758A-45BD-8F61-75E3790ABDCE@major-k.de> Hi Rand, > Hi, all. I've been making some really fun language learning/teaching > materials using Rev Studio 2.7.2 on my Mac running OS 10.4.7. I > greatly > prefer to distribute my stuff (in other words, make it available to > students) by just using StackRunner, rather than making > standalones, which > always seems to entail untold headaches. But since my stacks are > preliminary, I want to write an expiration date into them, e.g., > one obvious > way to do this is check the date in a preopenstack handler, and if > it's past > a certain date, just cause the stack to quit. But is there any way to > protect that preopenstack from prying eyes? Note that the students > interact > with the stacks _a lot_, so I need the stacks to be totally > "editable" in > the sense of being able to add data to text fields, click on > buttons and > change settings, etc. So is there any easy way to protect a script? > Thanks. maybe a simple password will do the trick? :-) This way noone can see/edit the scripts. > rand valentine Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From livfoss at mac.com Wed Sep 6 17:41:39 2006 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 23:41:39 +0200 Subject: OT: Zela Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:23:20 -0700, Mark Wieder wrote: > All- > > Since I didn't make it to Burning Man this year, I thought I'd do the > next best thing and share my current favorite Wikipedia entry: > > For a while, Zela, known as Zilch, was a kaza in the sandjak of Tokat. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zela > Great! Sounds exactly like something out of Neal Stephenson... maybe it is. Graham ---------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France From psahores at easynet.fr Wed Sep 6 18:30:39 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 00:30:39 +0200 Subject: How to Debug QT? In-Reply-To: <44FBF706.1010207@hindu.org> References: <44FA4E3C.4090801@hindu.org> <0D421F8A-59FD-49D2-9812-F1A871A68C77@easynet.fr> <44FBF706.1010207@hindu.org> Message-ID: <085F1BA9-E6C1-4032-83E0-2064FB81C7F1@easynet.fr> Katir, As i did'nt install Win on my MacBook Pro for yet, i need to retreive the config on a PC before answering. I hope to get time to test this at the office tomorrow afternoon. Best, Pierre Le 4 sept. 06 ? 11:51, Sivakatirswami a ?crit : > Pierre Sahores wrote: >> Katir, >> By default and to let users get Darwin Streaming Server >> streamables movies played on their desktops, QT prefs are never >> set as expected on the win32 platform. Perhaps could you verify >> this point with your customer, even if the movies are availables >> in dowloadable mode only ? >> Best, >> Pierre > > Excellent point. > > What should such prefs be set to? I'm looking for the default > setting that "naive" users should use who really don't know > anything about this stuff and who just do whatever you tell them. > > Sivakatirswami > > >> Le 3 sept. 06 ? 05:38, Sivakatirswami a ?crit : >>> Jack Rarick wrote: >>> >>> No, doesn't need QT 7+ in fact I've stopped distributing H.264 >>> because Windows users >>> can't view them as the MPEG10 plug-in is only lately bundled >>> in the OS installed on the "home entertainment center" windows >>> boxes. >>> >>> Many Windows users still don't have it and may never have it. >>> >>> I stick to MPEG4 now either extension .mov or .mp4 seems to work >>> on any windows machine with 6.5.2 >>> >>> Yes, come to think of it, this lady did upgrade to 7+ but others >>> who are using >>> 6.5.2 are OK. But: conundrum: other Windows users running >>> QT 7+ are having no troubles...Rev players perform as expected. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Just a thought. Does the user need Quicktime 7+? Quicktime is >>>> NOT an >>>> intergrated element of a window's machine. You can use an >>>> Applescipt on >>>> MacOS to check - i'm not sure what to on a Window's machine. >>>> Jack Rarick >>>> Braintree Athletic Systems >>>>>>> katir at hindu.org 09/02/06 4:26 PM >>> >>>> Help! I'm just entering the scary world of support for software >>>> one deploys. Fortunately traffic is very low >>>> That's good. Unfortunately I don't know where to begin to solve >>>> some problems that are >>>> experienced only on some machines. Every developers dilemma, no >>>> doubty >>>> This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to >>>> remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no >>>> sound from >>>> the movies. >>>> Screen shots here: >>>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/discourse.jpg >>>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/support/movie.jpg >>>> the image poster on the "discourse" one is actually an image set >>>> to a >>>> remote >>>> url.jpg (not from the player, which is just an audio file) >>>> If we put the players to SMIL files, it crashes Revolution on >>>> her box >>>> and the Microsoft crash report says QT is causing the problem. >>>> If I get her to run a gestalt, her OS and hardware profile >>>> Windows XP, Service Pack 2, plenty of ram etc. >>>> all look exactly the same as some other windows users who tell me >>>> "Oh everything works perfectly... never had a problem from the >>>> beginning!" >>>> OK, so, #1 I need some "mentoring" >>>> What do you professionals do when this kind of thing comes to you. >>>> #2, any clues on the QT problem and solutions? >>>> Sivakatirswami >>>> www.himalayanacademy.com >>>> Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! >>>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> --Om shanti >>> (In Peace) >>> >>> Sivakatirswami >>> www.himalayanacademy.com >>> >>> Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! >>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- > Om shanti > (In Peace) > > Sivakatirswami > www.himalayanacademy.com > > Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From psahores at easynet.fr Wed Sep 6 18:43:13 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 00:43:13 +0200 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR In-Reply-To: <6022AEE6-8CE8-427A-89CD-09FACF6E2B66@maseurope.net> References: <6022AEE6-8CE8-427A-89CD-09FACF6E2B66@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <570AA454-D0AA-4DF5-812A-0C2008713C97@easynet.fr> Did'nt have any problems with Rev 2.7.3 (no standalone but stack loaded in the dev env) in using both VNC over SSH or Timbuktu Pro 8 over SSH (remote host running OSX 10.3.9 under a G4 box). Best, Pierre Le 6 sept. 06 ? 00:07, Mark Smith a ?crit : > Not that it's likely to be much help, but I've not had this problem > using VNC.... > > Best, > > Mark > > On 5 Sep 2006, at 23:05, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > >> I have confirmed that standalone apps created with Revolution (all >> versions including 2.7.3) do not render the display correctly when >> using >> Remote Desktop. All field backgrounds and most images turn completely >> black. >> >> The same behavior occurs when connected to a Windows PC using the >> free Mac >> OS X client for Remote Desktop. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? >> pid=remotedesktopclient >> >> I have to run applications remotely all the time, and this bug >> prevents my >> Rev applications from displaying like normal Windows applications. >> Has >> anyone else seen this and considers it to be a serious problem? >> >> Roger Eller >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores www.sahores-conseil.com From josh at dvcreators.net Wed Sep 6 18:48:15 2006 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:48:15 -0700 Subject: How to Debug QT? In-Reply-To: <44F9E901.8080109@hindu.org> References: <44F9E901.8080109@hindu.org> Message-ID: <9E08DB2B-F714-4059-811F-9251B59A01FC@dvcreators.net> On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > This lady tell me our app that has players in it that are set to > remote URL's are failing to draw controllers, and there is no sound > from the movies. We have not experienced the disappearing controllers, but audio dropout from Quicktime on WinXP is a known issue. We have experienced this with Revolution and Director. Quitting, then relaunching restores the sound. Sound from button clicks, etc. always works. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Wed Sep 6 21:53:28 2006 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:53:28 -0400 Subject: Remote Desktop issues with RR Message-ID: Pierre Sahores wrote: > Did'nt have any problems with Rev 2.7.3 (no standalone but stack > loaded in the dev env) in using both VNC over SSH or Timbuktu Pro 8 > over SSH (remote host running OSX 10.3.9 under a G4 box). > > Best, > > Pierre > > Le 6 sept. 06 ? 00:07, Mark Smith a ?crit : >> Not that it's likely to be much help, but I've not had this problem >> using VNC.... >> >> Best, >> >> Mark You are correct that VNC works fine. It is when using Remote Desktop to access a Windows XP or Server 2003 system that black text fields and incorrect color space of RR standalones is evident. Roger Eller From katir at hindu.org Thu Sep 7 00:11:38 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:11:38 -1000 Subject: RR Forums In-Reply-To: References: <004101c6d168$abfc4b00$6501a8c0@lynn> <70ed6b130609052238n478e1215l5a51a71f5b28c21d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FF9BFA.70804@hindu.org> Agree: wiki better than forums for where we are now why? 1) more integrated and yet at the same time 2) more flexible. 3) could generate a huge dynamic for collaborative "open source" projects built on a Rev backbone in a way that is not possible either via mailing lists or forums. But we keep the mailing list! Until such time as the wiki proved it to be no longer required to meet the "user requirements" The wiki we use in house: www.pmwiki.org has feature(s) or "cookbook recipes" that meet nearly every expectation voiced so far. and, if built well, you can avoid the wiki "chaos" stigma ("just confuses folks") or be a burden to maintain. I mean, if you are going to moderate every post of any system, it's the same over head. skts Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> I'd agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the solution is to dump >> the wiki and keep the forums. Wikis are not in common, widespread >> usage and >> although I love the little beasties, a lot of folks are just confused by >> them. Plus, of course, they are apparently a lot easier to spam and >> deface >> and therefore require more careful monitoring and maintenance. > > I too agree with David, but I would go the other way around and dump > the forums. As someone who uses MySQL only rarely, I'm always having > to look up the online docs when I do. I find the user comments at the > bottom of each entry to be extremely valuable and would love to see > something similar for Rev. > > If the use-list could appear on the wiki, with the option for people > to make comments, which would then come back to the list, that would > be great. A full set of docs online, also with user comments would be > very useful to everyone. > > That said, I have only explored the Galaxy & blog parts of the wiki, > so I don;t know how much of what I have suggested already exists. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > - From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 00:35:06 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:35:06 +1000 Subject: Revzip in Windows standalone Message-ID: Hi All, Has anyone managed to get the revzip stuff to work in a Windows standalone? I downloaded the revzip.dll file as from the link supplied by Marcus. I put it in my Rev folder with all the other Windows DLLs (I use Mac OS X). When building the app, I have tried both specifying that I want Rev zip & letting the standalone builder work it out. In both cases, I get an empty "externals" folder. So then I just dragged the revzip.dll file manually into the externals folder and copied it to a Windows computer. The app ran fine, but no zip commands worked. Next I tried setting the externals of the stack explicitly to the path of the revzip.dll external. Still no luck. When I query the externalCommands and externalFunctions, I get nothing. Any ideas? Cheers, Sarah From katir at hindu.org Thu Sep 7 00:53:46 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:53:46 -1000 Subject: Call for Media Viewer Test: Windows Users Especially In-Reply-To: References: <44F6A669.8000308@hindu.org> <7aa52a210609020030y2340b95agfd92afdbb26d054a@mail.gmail.com> <44FA6038.5060101@hindu.org> <44FCEE02.4040504@hindu.org> Message-ID: <44FFA5DA.1040309@hindu.org> Disclaimer: I'm an novice at this SMIL stuff and don't know what i'm doing (smile) doing this: (watch out for email wraps) =========== on openstack put "http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2006/10-12/bd-pubdesk_2006-10-01_lessons-simple-sage-w-slides.smil" into tUrl set the filename of player "Player1" to tUrl send startPlayer1 to me in 2 seconds end openstack on startPlayer1 start player player1 end startplayer1 ============ was literally causing revolution to crash on Windows machines... I got one report from Australia and another from Texas. You are welcome to check out that file... I've left if on the server, though it's no longer in use...the paths are all valid Andre say it may possibly be the use of durations in the slide seq...