From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Jan 1 00:52:31 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:52:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fractals In-Reply-To: <198E05D8-860F-4992-96D7-7482C6C12BA0@conncoll.edu> Message-ID: Hey, while, I was wearing shorts and a tank top just yesterday... it's raining now, in otherwise sunny San Diego, California. Feliz Ano Neuvo! Judy On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Charles Hartman wrote: > (Man did that sound sour. Sorry! Let me add, Happy New Year.) > > On Dec 31, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Charles Hartman wrote: > > > Don't boast: mercifully for us all, 38C is only 100F. We're about > > to get snowed on in New England. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Jan 1 00:55:17 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:55:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Happy New Year, and a gift for everyone In-Reply-To: <43B6CB98.1080600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Can't wait to get at it! After the bubbles have been suitably digested, that is... HNY! Judy From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 1 00:57:13 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:57:13 +1100 Subject: Fractals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c60e98$3a684e50$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > while, I was wearing shorts and a tank top just yesterday... > it's raining now, in otherwise sunny San Diego, California. Ditto down here. It's only 27 C now and raining for several hours. Though Melbourne is well known for having four seasons in a day. Scott From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Jan 1 01:02:13 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:02:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fractals In-Reply-To: <002301c60e98$3a684e50$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: Not here... We really only have two seasons: Warmish & Coolish. @;-) "Winter" is the only time the landscape looks green (it's brown in "summer"). It's really funny to see the eastern-type trees with their autumn colours in the midst of all this green. Judy On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Scott Kane wrote: > Ditto down here. It's only 27 C now and raining > for several hours. Though Melbourne is well known > for having four seasons in a day. From garretthylltun at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 05:19:43 2006 From: garretthylltun at gmail.com (Garrett Hylltun) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:19:43 -0800 Subject: Send Keys and Window ID's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E2A59C2-D3F3-49DD-8A4A-5518D0A2C34C@gmail.com> On Dec 31, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> I haven't researched the docs yet, but was just wondering if Rev/DC >> is capable of sending key strokes to non-Rev/DC windows. If yes, >> could someone just point me to the command(s) that will get me going? >> >> Also, I'm still a newb to mac and want to know if OSX windows have >> id's and or names that I can use to send the key strokes to. >> > > Rev can't do that directly, but most applications can be controlled > with AppleScript. If they are not directly AppleScriptable, you can > use GUI scripting as described here > . > > Write and test your AppleScripts in the AppleScript Script Editor, > then copy then over to Rev, put them in a custom property or a field, > then run them like this: > > put the cApplescript of this stack into tScript > -- where cApplescript is the name of the custom property storing > the script > do tScript as AppleScript > > HTH, > Sarah Hi Sarah, Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if this is going to be possible then. I'm trying to setup some hotkeys for my "Age of Empires II" game. In my MS Windows days, I made a hotkey program that allowed me to just hit two keys, and then my program would take care of repetitive typing within the game. In Window, the game does have a window id, but I don't know about OSX. As for being AppleScriptable, I some how doubt this game will be cooperative in that sense. But I'll check it out just to see. Thanks to you and the others who also replied :-) -Garrett From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 06:34:27 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:34:27 +1000 Subject: Send Keys and Window ID's? In-Reply-To: <6E2A59C2-D3F3-49DD-8A4A-5518D0A2C34C@gmail.com> References: <6E2A59C2-D3F3-49DD-8A4A-5518D0A2C34C@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if this is going to be possible > then. I'm trying to setup some hotkeys for my "Age of Empires II" > game. In my MS Windows days, I made a hotkey program that allowed me > to just hit two keys, and then my program would take care of > repetitive typing within the game. In Window, the game does have a > window id, but I don't know about OSX. As for being AppleScriptable, > I some how doubt this game will be cooperative in that sense. But > I'll check it out just to see. Yes, I don;t think this strategy will work with AoE. I suggest you look at Quickeys which is a Mac macro/hotkey program. Cheers, Sarah From graham.samuel at wanadoo.fr Sun Jan 1 07:21:36 2006 From: graham.samuel at wanadoo.fr (graham samuel) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:21:36 +0100 Subject: Happy New Year, and a gift for everyone Message-ID: Lovely! Thanks so much - cutting this out reminded me of the times (many years ago) when I used to make polyhedra out of card as described in a really excellent book - 'Mathematical Models' by H. Martin Cundy, A.P. Rollet (Oxford University Press 1961, now sadly out of print). I must look out my copy... Anyway the little dodecahedron is now sitting happily on my desk. Happy New Year and thanks again Graham On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:19:04 -0600, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > If you are looking for a little project to fill the time on New Year's > day while you recover from the festivities, here's a 3D Runtime > Revolution dodecahedron calendar to play with. All you'll need is a > good > pair of scissors, some tape or glue, and some card stock or heavy > paper. > It's my gift to everyone this holiday season: > > > > Remember to leave November till last or you will end up with > nothing but > a 3D maze. > > Happy new year to all! ---------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 1 09:10:31 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:10:31 +0100 Subject: [EN][FR] So Smart Software Thanks You Message-ID: Paris, Sun, 1 Jan 2006 ---------------------- English version ------------------------- Dear Rev user, So Smart Software thanks you for having downloaded all these plugins, tutorials, patches and HC packs since the website opening in February 2005. With 500 000 hits, 3 100 plugins and 3 500 tutorials downloaded, 2005 was a good year for the Revolution :-) For this new year, I wish you amazing projects that will get you excited. As for me, I'll create new tools that, I hope so, will go on to help you. Happy new year :-) Best regards, Eric Chatonet. --------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------ Cher Rever, So Smart Software vous remercie d'avoir t?l?charg? tous ces plugins, didacticiels, patches et HC packs depuis l'ouverture du site en F?vrier 2005. Avec 500 000 hits, 3100 plugins et 3 500 didacticiels t?l?charg?s, 2005 a ?t? une bonne ann?e pour la Revolution :-) Pour cette nouvelle ann?e, je vous souhaite des projets fous qui sauront vous enthousiasmer. Quant ? moi, je cr?erai de nouveaux outils qui, je l'esp?re, continueront ? vous aider. Bonne ann?e :-) Cordialement, Eric Chatonet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Sun Jan 1 09:15:59 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:15:59 -0500 Subject: Fractals In-Reply-To: <001301c60e87$abd40310$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <001301c60e87$abd40310$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <03C29F76-FCA5-4BE9-998A-477B5D98F8F2@conncoll.edu> On Dec 31, 2005, at 10:58 PM, Scott Kane wrote: > >> Don't boast: mercifully for us all, 38C is only 100F. We're about to >> get snowed on in New England. > > Actually - the top temp' for the day was 44 d C > with an overnight low of 27 d C. Somewhat worse > than 100F. Ouch. Charles From martyknapp at comcast.net Sun Jan 1 14:26:16 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:26:16 -0800 Subject: OSX & Win icons Message-ID: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> Happy New Year everyone, Say, I'm getting ready to deploy an application to OSX and Windows, and one of the issues is the application icon. I've read Chipp's and Ken's tutorials and downloaded IconBuilder, which looks great accept for two things - it's a bit expensive and it won't run on my OS 10.2.8 machine (needs 10.3.9). I did find a $20 shareware program called "Export Icon Plug-in 1.7" for Photoshop - does anyone have any experience with that? It seemed to work on all but the largest size (turned the background solid black). I also downloaded QTam or windows. It generates a Windows .ICO, but when I try to use it in Rev (I have 2.2.1 Enterprise) I get the message that "the file does not include 8 required image formats" and it lists various sizes and formats. I haven't paid the shareware fee yet - want to make sure it'll do what I need. The instructions are a bit sparse as well. I looks like the largest image size it will import is 48x48. Thanks for any help. Marty Knapp From userev at canelasoftware.com Sun Jan 1 15:05:37 2006 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:05:37 -0800 Subject: OSX & Win icons In-Reply-To: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> References: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Marty Knapp wrote: > Happy New Year everyone, > > Say, I'm getting ready to deploy an application to OSX and Windows, > and one of the issues is the application icon. I've read Chipp's > and Ken's tutorials and downloaded IconBuilder, which looks great > accept for two things - it's a bit expensive and it won't run on my > OS 10.2.8 machine (needs 10.3.9). > > I did find a $20 shareware program called "Export Icon Plug-in 1.7" > for Photoshop - does anyone have any experience with that? It > seemed to work on all but the largest size (turned the background > solid black). I also downloaded QTam or windows. It generates a > Windows .ICO, but when I try to use it in Rev (I have 2.2.1 > Enterprise) I get the message that "the file does not include 8 > required image formats" and it lists various sizes and formats. I > haven't paid the shareware fee yet - want to make sure it'll do > what I need. The instructions are a bit sparse as well. I looks > like the largest image size it will import is 48x48. > > Thanks for any help. > Hi Marty, I use "Icon Workshop 6" from Axialis, It will allow you to make your icons for Windows and Mac X with ease. They even have a demo version so you can try it out and make actual icons during their trial period. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Jan 1 15:19:13 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:19:13 -0800 Subject: Happy New Year, and a gift for everyone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1854011368.20060101121913@ahsoftware.net> graham- Sunday, January 1, 2006, 4:21:36 AM, you wrote: > Lovely! Thanks so much - cutting this out reminded me of the times > (many years ago) when I used to make polyhedra out of card as > described in a really excellent book - 'Mathematical Models' by H. > Martin Cundy, A.P. Rollet (Oxford University Press 1961, now sadly > out of print). I must look out my copy... Out of print? Bummer. I remember it fondly. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 15:29:06 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:29:06 +1000 Subject: OSX & Win icons In-Reply-To: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> References: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Say, I'm getting ready to deploy an application to OSX and Windows, and > one of the issues is the application icon. I've read Chipp's and Ken's > tutorials and downloaded IconBuilder, which looks great accept for two > things - it's a bit expensive and it won't run on my OS 10.2.8 machine > (needs 10.3.9). > > I did find a $20 shareware program called "Export Icon Plug-in 1.7" for > Photoshop - does anyone have any experience with that? It seemed to work > on all but the largest size (turned the background solid black). I also > downloaded QTam or windows. It generates a Windows .ICO, but when I try > to use it in Rev (I have 2.2.1 Enterprise) I get the message that "the > file does not include 8 required image formats" and it lists various > sizes and formats. I haven't paid the shareware fee yet - want to make > sure it'll do what I need. The instructions are a bit sparse as well. I > looks like the largest image size it will import is 48x48. > Hi Marty, I use Iconographer on OS X, which makes the icons for both Mac & Windows. The QTam one made icons in the old format, but Rev 2.something changed to using higher quality Windows icons, so it no longer does the job. Regards, Sarah From sims at ezpzapps.com Sun Jan 1 15:44:19 2006 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:44:19 +0100 Subject: OSX & Win icons In-Reply-To: References: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> Message-ID: At 6:29 AM +1000 1/2/06, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >I use Iconographer on OS X, which makes the icons for both Mac & Windows. I also use Iconographer, only $15 shareware...great icon tool. http://www.mscape.com/products/iconographer.html ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006 www.techietours.com From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 17:03:46 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:03:46 -0800 Subject: Get from File In-Reply-To: <008501c60e87$b4c019a0$0400a8c0@olie> Message-ID: You are quite welcome!! Jim On 12/31/05 7:59 PM, "Michael D." wrote: > Jim, > Happy New Year to You ! > Thanks for all your help. > Michael. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sun Jan 1 19:40:38 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:40:38 -0800 Subject: OSX & Win icons In-Reply-To: References: <43B82CD8.5080708@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43B87686.3080904@comcast.net> Thanks Sarah, Mark & Sims, I just downloaded Iconographer and am giving that a whirl. Marty Knapp >I use Iconographer on OS X, which makes the icons for both Mac & Windows. >The QTam one made icons in the old format, but Rev 2.something changed >to using higher quality Windows icons, so it no longer does the job. > > > From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 21:12:26 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:12:26 -0800 Subject: Problems with recording sound In-Reply-To: <6D3CA6B7-9B8B-4648-AE13-7733E18DB77B@education.lu> Message-ID: I don't get into sound and am rather rushed at the moment, but after the holidays there should be several listers back in action that can respond. Hang in there. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/30/05 4:53 AM, "Christian Langers" wrote: > Hmm, > nobody seems to have problems with it ? > Christian > Le 28 d?c. 05 ? 19:41, Christian Langers a ?crit : > >> Hello everybody, >> >> is it just me or does anybody else noticed this : >> >> (and this is new to me because before I had no problems with it...) >> >> I have 2 btns : one for recording sound and the second for stopping >> recording ; >> From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 2 06:53:40 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:53:40 +0100 Subject: Use of images Message-ID: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> Hello, I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. which method would have the best performance in Rev : - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of img to them - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible stack (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id of imgs) ??? Thanks for any reflection, Christian L. From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Jan 2 06:56:32 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:56:32 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> References: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> Message-ID: Hi Christian, Let the images outside or your app will need at least 200 MB RAM ;-) Le 2 janv. 06 ? 12:53, Christian Langers a ?crit : > Hello, > > I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. > > which method would have the best performance in Rev : > > - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of > img to them > - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible > stack (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id > of imgs) > > > ??? > > Thanks for any reflection, > > Christian L. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From klaus at major-k.de Mon Jan 2 06:58:35 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:58:35 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> References: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> Message-ID: <093F4778-4400-477D-847E-E6D55302AB62@major-k.de> Hi Christian, > Hello, > > I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. > which method would have the best performance in Rev : > - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of > img to them > - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible > stack (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id > of imgs) definitivley referencing the images! Remember that Rev will load a stack completely into memory, so a stack with 200 MB of images...? Know what i mean? ;-) > ??? > > Thanks for any reflection, > > Christian L. Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Mon Jan 2 07:00:23 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:00:23 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> Message-ID: Hi Christian the image path example is probably the easiest. The other method would require loading the stack in memory causing problems on low memory conditions... You would also have to consider watching image id conflicts if you want to edit those and possibly other issues like network latency saving your stack and the like... One solution to that would be to split up the images across a few stacks to reduce the memory footprint but still it would innelegant unless you want to secure your images so no one copies them... cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 02/01/2006 12:53:40: > Hello, > > I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. > > which method would have the best performance in Rev : > > - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of img > to them > - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible stack > (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id of imgs) > > > ??? > > Thanks for any reflection, > > Christian L. ----------------------------------------- To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. 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END OF DISCLAIMER From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 2 07:08:33 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:08:33 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <093F4778-4400-477D-847E-E6D55302AB62@major-k.de> References: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> <093F4778-4400-477D-847E-E6D55302AB62@major-k.de> Message-ID: <763C399D-D207-4576-9BD1-D8C38D7BA83A@education.lu> Hi all, thanks for your answers... would there be differences then when you have a substack with referenced images ? I work with the id numbers of these referenced images, setting the icon of a button of the mainstack to the id of them... Same memory problem then with this stack as with the stack including imported images ? Christian Le 2 janv. 06 ? 12:58, Klaus Major a ?crit : > Hi Christian, > >> Hello, >> >> I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. >> which method would have the best performance in Rev : >> - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of >> img to them >> - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible >> stack (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id >> of imgs) > > definitivley referencing the images! > > Remember that Rev will load a stack completely into memory, > so a stack with 200 MB of images...? Know what i mean? ;-) > >> ??? >> >> Thanks for any reflection, >> >> Christian L. > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 2 07:17:59 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:17:59 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 2 janv. 06 ? 13:00, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > Hi Christian > > the image path example is probably the easiest. > > The other method would require loading the stack in memory causing > problems on low memory > conditions... You would also have to consider watching image id > conflicts > if you want to edit those > and possibly other issues like network latency saving your stack > and the > like... > > One solution to that would be to split up the images across a few > stacks > to reduce the memory > footprint but still it would innelegant unless you want to secure your > images so no one copies them... Is there not the problem that closing a stack in standalones will not removing them acually from memory ? So loading them when needed will not remove them and so the memory problem persists...? Christian > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 02/01/2006 12:53:40: > >> Hello, >> >> I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. >> >> which method would have the best performance in Rev : >> >> - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of img >> to them >> - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible stack >> (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id of imgs) >> >> >> ??? >> >> Thanks for any reflection, >> >> Christian L. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has > recently changed the email address format to conform with industry > standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. > > Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com > > IMPORTANT MESSAGE > > Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream > International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of > this message. > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you > are > not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is > prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are > those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically > states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of > its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > END OF DISCLAIMER > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Mon Jan 2 07:23:31 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:23:31 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian, In the revdocs, look at the stack properties. "alwaysbuffer", destroywindow, and destroystack" And, set the destroystack of this stack will not destroy it ;) One solution would be to copy at runtime the images you need from the other stacks and use those new images' ids... Depends on what you need to do... cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 02/01/2006 13:17:59: > > Le 2 janv. 06 ? 13:00, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > > > Hi Christian > > > > the image path example is probably the easiest. > > > > The other method would require loading the stack in memory causing > > problems on low memory > > conditions... You would also have to consider watching image id > > conflicts > > if you want to edit those > > and possibly other issues like network latency saving your stack > > and the > > like... > > > > > One solution to that would be to split up the images across a few > > stacks > > to reduce the memory > > footprint but still it would innelegant unless you want to secure your > > images so no one copies them... > > Is there not the problem that closing a stack in standalones will > not removing them acually from memory ? > > So loading them when needed will not remove them and so the memory > problem persists...? > > > Christian > > > > > > cheers > > Xavier > > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 02/01/2006 12:53:40: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. > >> > >> which method would have the best performance in Rev : > >> > >> - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of img > >> to them > >> - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible stack > >> (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id of imgs) > >> > >> > >> ??? > >> > >> Thanks for any reflection, > >> > >> Christian L. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has > > recently changed the email address format to conform with industry > > standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. > > > > Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com > > > > IMPORTANT MESSAGE > > > > Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream > > International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of > > this message. > > > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be > > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you > > are > > not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or > > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is > > prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are > > those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically > > states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of > > its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > > > END OF DISCLAIMER > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 2 07:30:53 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:30:53 +1100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c60f98$64f23b80$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Christian, "If Monks had Mac's" is a good resource on how to do this. There is a short demo stack available that permits you to use the techniques used in that program (which is part of a large CD compilation). I'm not sure which site has the download link, somebody here will probably be able to provide that link. It shows you how to use and remove graphics at will. Scott From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 2 07:34:10 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:34:10 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <382DAA38-723B-4F20-9D9E-886EDCD82527@education.lu> Hmm, actually these images will not be edited ; these stacks will function as image libraries... Precisely, I do not want to let the user play around with the referenced images not because of copyright problems but loosing or modifiying them will alter the app... Christian Le 2 janv. 06 ? 13:23, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > Christian, > > In the revdocs, look at the stack properties. "alwaysbuffer", > destroywindow, and destroystack" > > And, set the destroystack of this stack will not destroy it ;) > > One solution would be to copy at runtime the images you need from the > other stacks and use those > new images' ids... > > Depends on what you need to do... > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 02/01/2006 13:17:59: > >> >> Le 2 janv. 06 ? 13:00, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : >> >>> Hi Christian >>> >>> the image path example is probably the easiest. >>> >>> The other method would require loading the stack in memory causing >>> problems on low memory >>> conditions... You would also have to consider watching image id >>> conflicts >>> if you want to edit those >>> and possibly other issues like network latency saving your stack >>> and the >>> like... >>> >> >>> One solution to that would be to split up the images across a few >>> stacks >>> to reduce the memory >>> footprint but still it would innelegant unless you want to secure >>> your >>> images so no one copies them... >> >> Is there not the problem that closing a stack in standalones will >> not removing them acually from memory ? >> >> So loading them when needed will not remove them and so the memory >> problem persists...? >> >> >> Christian >> >> >>> >>> cheers >>> Xavier >>> >>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 02/01/2006 >>> 12:53:40: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. >>>> >>>> which method would have the best performance in Rev : >>>> >>>> - letting the images outsite the app and setting the filename of >>>> img >>>> to them >>>> - importing them in a stack and working with it as an invisible >>>> stack >>>> (referring to them by setting the icon of a button to the id of >>>> imgs) >>>> >>>> >>>> ??? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any reflection, >>>> >>>> Christian L. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has >>> recently changed the email address format to conform with industry >>> standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. >>> >>> Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com >>> >>> IMPORTANT MESSAGE >>> >>> Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream >>> International does not accept legal responsibility for the >>> contents of >>> this message. >>> >>> The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be >>> legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you >>> are >>> not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or >>> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is >>> prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e- >>> mail are >>> those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically >>> states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of >>> any of >>> its affiliates or subsidiaries. >>> >>> END OF DISCLAIMER >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 2 07:36:26 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:36:26 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <001a01c60f98$64f23b80$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <001a01c60f98$64f23b80$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <4CE91747-3C15-486C-B7B9-4EE71BF140D4@education.lu> Thanks Scott, I will.... Christian Le 2 janv. 06 ? 13:30, Scott Kane a ?crit : > Christian, > > "If Monks had Mac's" is a good resource on how > to do this. There is a short demo stack available > that permits you to use the techniques used in that > program (which is part of a large CD compilation). > I'm not sure which site has the download link, somebody > here will probably be able to provide that link. It > shows you how to use and remove graphics at will. > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 2 07:39:32 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:39:32 +1100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <4CE91747-3C15-486C-B7B9-4EE71BF140D4@education.lu> Message-ID: <001b01c60f99$9685c580$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Found the link. You can access it at: http://www.revjournal.com/features/rivertext-monks.html HTH Scott From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Jan 2 07:39:58 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:39:58 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <382DAA38-723B-4F20-9D9E-886EDCD82527@education.lu> References: <382DAA38-723B-4F20-9D9E-886EDCD82527@education.lu> Message-ID: <6ECDF743-CB71-4561-8598-4924B8CC9ED9@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi again, You can compress the images, decompress them on-the-fly, clear files extensions and put them with non meaningful names in a folder named data :-) Most users won't be able to open them... Le 2 janv. 06 ? 13:34, Christian Langers a ?crit : > Precisely, I do not want to let the user play around with the > referenced images not because of copyright problems but loosing or > modifiying them will alter the app... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From jason at polydiam.com Mon Jan 2 09:03:56 2006 From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason (Polydiam)) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:03:56 -0000 Subject: Running an help (.chm) file in the same directory Message-ID: <000b01c60fa5$62ba39f0$0fb9a8c0@Jason> I've got a html help file (a .chm) file that I'm trying to run from the same directory that my runrev file is published to in windows. I've tried Launch "help.chm" And Open file "help.chm" Both don't seem to work. any ideas? Thanks once again. Jason From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Jan 2 10:39:08 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:39:08 -0500 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5348764B-3481-4C60-9FAA-BCA8886991C2@adelphia.net> It just came to me that you might be able to use the alpha/mask data to secure images??? What would happen if each image had a copyright image done as an alpha/mask with a regular image and then have rev remove it? Is this possible? Does rev or can rev handle the watermarks made in Photoshop? Has anyone done this? Tom On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:00 AM, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > One solution to that would be to split up the images across a few > stacks > to reduce the memory > footprint but still it would innelegant unless you want to secure your > images so no one copies them... > > cheers > Xavier > Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Semantic Compaction Systems SCIconics, LLC Lazy River Metal Arts Lazy River Software? & Meeting Wear? - Unique Apparel Design From mark at maseurope.net Mon Jan 2 10:44:03 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:44:03 +0000 Subject: Running an help (.chm) file in the same directory In-Reply-To: <000b01c60fa5$62ba39f0$0fb9a8c0@Jason> References: <000b01c60fa5$62ba39f0$0fb9a8c0@Jason> Message-ID: revGoURL "file:help.chm" ---- should open it in the users default browser. Mark On 2 Jan 2006, at 14:03, Jason (Polydiam) wrote: > I've got a html help file (a .chm) file that I'm trying to run from > the same > directory that my runrev file is published to in windows. > > > > I've tried > > > > Launch "help.chm" > > > > And > > > > Open file "help.chm" > > > > Both don't seem to work. any ideas? > > > > Thanks once again. > > > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From b.xavier at internet.lu Mon Jan 2 11:33:24 2006 From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:33:24 +0100 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <5348764B-3481-4C60-9FAA-BCA8886991C2@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20060102154232.5E4AA824D72@mail.runrev.com> > It just came to me that you might be able to use the > alpha/mask data to secure images??? > > What would happen if each image had a copyright image done as > an alpha/mask with a regular image and then have rev remove it? Actually it's much easier than that! reparse the imagedata with a slight numeric mod in one or more channels using differentials on colors and you got a footprint, just keep the two hashes and if you find the copyright infringer, you just show the hashes... there's lots of ways to make footprints, add sugar to your liking... ok, it's a bit more complicated than that if you want to allow for image resizing or cropping + any effects and still detect your watermark... but not a lot but it's not perfect... the math is not hard but you do need to know about number and Information Theory and play with statistics any time... Using fractal image compression can help too... You're idea to use the alpha-mask is genius but easy to detect or might me easily saved in the wrong format without the alphamask (im wishing you a fruitful world wide distribution of your program in 2006 ;) Adding watermarks is not hard and lots has been written on it! The key is to use the operators that are recognizable - despite image changes like luminosity, channel edit, etc... apply it to any color channel (>1 channel recommended)... Sorry, I leave the fun of the search and script to the hardyest of us that really want this... It should be doable in a few more versions of MoireX I think... ;) And surely Willem color wonder stack will do it too ;) what is sure is that creating the snapshot of the watermark, and writing it directly into the image data or maskdata is medium easy... use the baseconvert function like Chipp showed us for his image gradients (if my memory serves me right) here's another trick Create two images, one with your image, the other with the watermark, make one bitxor ink or blend into the other, take the snapshot and use that as your new image!!! Computers can be complicated but why? Use rev! hint: for the picture embedding math operation and Chipp's trick, use the "baseconvert" function to rewrite the data. Channel color interpolation functions available in MoireX... AltGradient has them too... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com - not just taoo! > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Thomas McGrath III > Sent: Monday, 02 January, 2006 16:39 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Use of images > > It just came to me that you might be able to use the > alpha/mask data to secure images??? > > What would happen if each image had a copyright image done as > an alpha/mask with a regular image and then have rev remove it? > > Is this possible? Does rev or can rev handle the watermarks > made in Photoshop? > > Has anyone done this? > > Tom > > On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:00 AM, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > > > One solution to that would be to split up the images across a few > > stacks to reduce the memory footprint but still it would innelegant > > unless you want to secure your images so no one copies them... > > > > cheers > > Xavier > > > > Thomas J McGrath III > 3mcgrath at adelphia.net > > Semantic Compaction Systems > SCIconics, LLC > > Lazy River Metal Arts > Lazy River SoftwareT > & > Meeting WearT - Unique Apparel Design > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From b.xavier at internet.lu Mon Jan 2 12:19:17 2006 From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:19:17 +0100 Subject: Running an help (.chm) file in the same directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060102162819.0C51E824D54@mail.runrev.com> window's call for opening chm files is %windows%\hh.exe %1 (as seen in the file association tab in the exploiter menu tools -> [folder] options -> tab 'file types', 'chm' selected, click on advanced button below and voila - more win dos wizardry... so revxtrapolated that gives ya set the hideconsolewindows to true -- aesthetix option default override rev wizardry get shell("start hh" && quote & "I:\WINDOWS\Help\aclui.chm" & quote) cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com - we'll run taoo on anything > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Mark Smith > Sent: Monday, 02 January, 2006 16:44 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Running an help (.chm) file in the same directory > > revGoURL "file:help.chm" ---- should open it in the users > default browser. > > Mark > > On 2 Jan 2006, at 14:03, Jason (Polydiam) wrote: > > > I've got a html help file (a .chm) file that I'm trying to run from > > the same directory that my runrev file is published to in windows. > > > > > > > > I've tried > > > > > > > > Launch "help.chm" > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > Open file "help.chm" > > > > > > > > Both don't seem to work. any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks once again. > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 12:33:59 2006 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <20060102115525.903E7824EF5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20060102173359.20589.qmail@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> on Mon, 2 Jan 2006 Eric Chatonet wrote: > You can compress the images, decompress them on-the-fly, > clear files extensions and put them with non meaningful > names in a folder named data :-) > Most users won't be able to open them... and if you really want to hide, obfuscate and deceive your files, you could switch the position of two or more bytes in the binary data of your files, for example: If your file named "DoNotOpen.zxc" had the character 50 and 51 like these: %* you could write a function that revert the position of these character like these: *% and later for opening the file you restore them to their original position: %* Notice that you could do the same with many bytes (characters), not only using 2 characters. You had to test how many char swaps works better to lock your files. i had wrapped binary files (like sounds, images and stacks) with two encrypted md5digests, one for the file uncompressed and other for the compressed file. Of course, it's necessary to use a script in RR to unwrap, verify, decompress and open these files. al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Mon Jan 2 12:54:52 2006 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:54:52 +0100 Subject: Resize stack, OSX= OK , Windows KO Message-ID: <1032B35D-169D-4CE5-ADE1-4785BDCA4936@mac.com> Hi Revolution Specialists, Mac-Mini, OSX Tiger ( X.4.3) Revolution 2.6. I have a stack and two sub-stacks. ? On Stack and Sub-Stacks I kept the default Value as far as "Resizable" is concerned. ? Verified it on all stack and Sub-stacks. ? No metal " Appearance " ? I don't use any "Menu". ? I use "Geometry" for simple moves, which gives exactly what I'm looking for on OSX. Starting from this point I generate standalones for "Mac" AND Windows in the same run. Result: ? On Mac OSX : Stack and Sub-Stacks resizes OK. ? On "Windows" : ? I can resize the Stack ? I Can't resize the sub-stacks (Arrows are not appearing). I didn't find anything on documentation neither on "How to use Revolution" What do I miss ? Thanks in advance to give me some ideas of ways to go to solve my problem. Pierre From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 15:22:22 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:22:22 +1000 Subject: Resize stack, OSX= OK , Windows KO In-Reply-To: <1032B35D-169D-4CE5-ADE1-4785BDCA4936@mac.com> References: <1032B35D-169D-4CE5-ADE1-4785BDCA4936@mac.com> Message-ID: > Result: > ? On Mac OSX : Stack and Sub-Stacks resizes OK. > > ? On "Windows" : ? I can resize the Stack > ? I Can't resize the sub-stacks (Arrows are not appearing). > In Windows, the decorations of a stack have to be set to default to allow resizing. Sarah From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Jan 2 15:27:47 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:27:47 -0600 Subject: Resize stack, OSX= OK , Windows KO In-Reply-To: <1032B35D-169D-4CE5-ADE1-4785BDCA4936@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/2/06 11:54 AM, "Pierre Bernaert" wrote: >> ? On "Windows" : ? I can resize the Stack > ? I Can't resize the sub-stacks (Arrows are not appearing). > > I didn't find anything on documentation neither on "How to use > Revolution" > > What do I miss ? A bug that prevents this from happening if the decorations of the stack are not "default". If you set the decorations of your substacks to "default", it should work again. (See Bugs #2178 and #2340) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From jhonken at x12.info Mon Jan 2 15:34:56 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:34:56 -0700 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines Message-ID: <000501c60fdc$019f80d0$640fa8c0@work1> Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go to two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a very cut down version of what I'm trying: --> CONSTRUCT SQL put "CREATE TABLE Provider (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL --> EXECUTE SQL put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList The Provider table is actually very large. From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 15:41:56 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:41:56 -0800 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines In-Reply-To: <000501c60fdc$019f80d0$640fa8c0@work1> Message-ID: > two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. The correct character is "\" Not sure what you are doing specifically, but remember, the "\" cannot be used to split a string: NO: put "the lazy brown dog jumped \ and bit the mailman" into neverHappened Yes, even in the multi-line message box: put " the lazy mailman bit " & \ "the brown dog" into newsAtSix Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/2/06 12:34 PM, "Jeff Honken" wrote: > Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code > works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go to > two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a very > cut down version of what I'm trying: > > --> CONSTRUCT SQL > put "CREATE TABLE Provider > (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL > --> EXECUTE SQL > put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList > > The Provider table is actually very large. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jhonken at x12.info Mon Jan 2 15:53:32 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:53:32 -0700 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c60fde$975b0980$640fa8c0@work1> Jim, Thanks for the response. I'm trying to create a script that will recreate my database. I need to create multiple tables and allot of inserts. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:42 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines > two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. The correct character is "\" Not sure what you are doing specifically, but remember, the "\" cannot be used to split a string: NO: put "the lazy brown dog jumped \ and bit the mailman" into neverHappened Yes, even in the multi-line message box: put " the lazy mailman bit " & \ "the brown dog" into newsAtSix Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/2/06 12:34 PM, "Jeff Honken" wrote: > Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code > works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go to > two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a very > cut down version of what I'm trying: > > --> CONSTRUCT SQL > put "CREATE TABLE Provider > (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL > --> EXECUTE SQL > put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList > > The Provider table is actually very large. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Mon Jan 2 16:27:44 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:27:44 -0500 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines In-Reply-To: <000001c60fde$975b0980$640fa8c0@work1> References: <000001c60fde$975b0980$640fa8c0@work1> Message-ID: One thing you can do in some situations is to put the parts of a long string into custom properties (or even just local variables, I suppose), concatenate them into another variable using "&", and send the result off to (for instance) the SQL db. I sometimes build long queries this way, especially if long bits of text will always be the same but I need to include the current contents of a variable here and there. Charles On Jan 2, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Jeff Honken wrote: > Jim, > Thanks for the response. I'm trying to create a script that will > recreate my database. I need to create multiple tables and allot of > inserts. Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:42 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines > >> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. > The correct character is "\" > > Not sure what you are doing specifically, but remember, the "\" cannot > be > used to split a string: > NO: > put "the lazy brown dog jumped \ > and bit the mailman" into neverHappened > > Yes, even in the multi-line message box: > put " the lazy mailman bit " & \ > "the brown dog" into newsAtSix > > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > On 1/2/06 12:34 PM, "Jeff Honken" wrote: > >> Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code >> works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go > to >> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a > very >> cut down version of what I'm trying: >> >> --> CONSTRUCT SQL >> put "CREATE TABLE Provider >> (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL >> --> EXECUTE SQL >> put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList >> >> The Provider table is actually very large. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pevensen at siboneylg.com Mon Jan 2 17:06:12 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:12 -0600 Subject: revCreateXMLFromFile parsing entities? Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060102160150.0b2b7ff8@exchange.slg.com> I get an error saying that "Entity 'cent' is not defiled" if I have the following in my XML file: ¢ 1) are entities defined on XML? Should the library even be trying to parse it? I wanted it to just leave it alone and pass it to me so I can handle it with htmlText of a field. 2) if they are defined, why isn't ¢? If I remove the ';', I get an error from xmlParseEntityRef, so clearly the library is trying to parse entities, but should it? There is also a bug related to it's handling of entities (if it is supposed to handle the entities)... if I use the numeric code for ¢ (i.e., ¢), I get a cent sign, but it has a capital A with a circumflex over it. I BZed this a while back. Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671 From chipp at chipp.com Mon Jan 2 17:12:06 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:12:06 -0600 Subject: Use of images In-Reply-To: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> References: <1CD49963-7ACC-4696-9950-7F11DC89456B@education.lu> Message-ID: <43B9A536.1030307@chipp.com> Christian, I would use an image in your main stack instead of a button and just set the filename to: the JPG file on your computer. Or, if you're concerned about people changing your images, create a tool which embeds a single image in a stack and then you can easily open a stack and put the image into your temporay staging image. I would probably do it this way: open inv stack "MyImage097" put last img of stack "MyImage097" into img "MyTempImage" of stack "MyMainStack" delete stack "MyImage097" --> CLOSES STACK MyImage097" This has an added advantage of never having to worry about managing which stack is open. MyTempImage is the image of your stack which displays the image. best, Chipp Christian Langers wrote: > Hello, > > I have to work with about 280 images making about 200mb. > > which method would have the best performance in Rev : From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Jan 2 17:47:49 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:47:49 -0600 Subject: revCreateXMLFromFile parsing entities? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060102160150.0b2b7ff8@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: On 1/2/06 4:06 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" wrote: > I get an error saying that "Entity 'cent' is not defiled" if I have the > following in my XML file: > > ¢ > > 1) are entities defined on XML? Should the library even be trying to parse > it? I wanted it to just leave it alone and pass it to me so I can handle > it with htmlText of a field. > 2) if they are defined, why isn't ¢? > > If I remove the ';', I get an error from xmlParseEntityRef, so clearly the > library is trying to parse entities, but should it? > > There is also a bug related to it's handling of entities (if it is supposed > to handle the entities)... if I use the numeric code for ¢ (i.e., > ¢), I get a cent sign, but it has a capital A with a circumflex over > it. I BZed this a while back. I don't know if the revXML DLL handles this kind of thing... if your files aren't too large, you may wish to try my all-Transcript XML library, which handles these without issue. If you're interested, contact me off-list as I'm getting ready to release a major upgrade to the library (2.0) which isn't available from my web site yet (only 1.1.7 is available publicly). Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From tominjapan at excite.com Mon Jan 2 20:14:40 2006 From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:14:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Networksolutions.com & Revolution cgi Message-ID: <20060103011440.3168C3DF0@xprdmailfe11.nwk.excite.com> Happy New Year! Just getting back to work.... My publisher has moved to networksolutions.com for hosting (not my choice!) I know the revolution site was located there at some time. We have the Unix plan and I'm trying to get my cgi's working. Need to know what flavor of Unix engine to upload. (called their tech people and was told, "It's Apache", which isn't very helpful.) I'm waiting for their "deep tech" people to answer, but thought I'd ask here as well. many thanks tm _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 2 21:31:53 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:31:53 +1100 Subject: Timing Message-ID: <002301c6100d$e04ba170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi, I've been trying to get a simple timing script going and so far haven't managed. Basically I need a routine that shows an image after a certain number of seconds. I've tried Ticks and seconds but neither seemed to do it. What I need is something like put the ticks into elapsedTicks repeat while elapsedTicks < 240 -- 240 being four seconds set the visible of image "TheTitle" to false end repeat set the visible of image "TheTitle" to true In my tests it drops through the while loop immediately and sets the image to visible, rather than waiting the desired four seconds. Scott From chipp at chipp.com Mon Jan 2 21:36:58 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:36:58 -0600 Subject: [EN][FR] So Smart Software Thanks You In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B9E34A.1040703@chipp.com> Eric, Thanks for your continued devotion and support of the RunRev community. Your professionalism and generosity are noted by many of us users! best, Chipp Eric Chatonet wrote: > Paris, Sun, 1 Jan 2006 > > ---------------------- English version ------------------------- > > Dear Rev user, > > So Smart Software thanks you for having downloaded all these plugins, > tutorials, patches and HC packs since the website opening in February > 2005. > With 500 000 hits, 3 100 plugins and 3 500 tutorials downloaded, 2005 > was a good year for the Revolution :-) > For this new year, I wish you amazing projects that will get you excited. > As for me, I'll create new tools that, I hope so, will go on to help you. > Happy new year :-) > > Best regards, > Eric Chatonet. From mark at maseurope.net Mon Jan 2 21:49:51 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:49:51 +0000 Subject: Timing In-Reply-To: <002301c6100d$e04ba170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <002301c6100d$e04ba170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: put the ticks into tTicks repeat while the ticks - tTicks < 240 .... Easier though, is to use a send in time, like: send "showImage" to me in 4 seconds and then have a handler: on showImage show image "TheTitle" end showImage Mark On 3 Jan 2006, at 02:31, Scott Kane wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to get a simple timing script > going and so far haven't managed. Basically > I need a routine that shows an image after a > certain number of seconds. I've tried Ticks > and seconds but neither seemed to do it. > > What I need is something like > > put the ticks into elapsedTicks > repeat while elapsedTicks < 240 -- 240 being four seconds > set the visible of image "TheTitle" to false > end repeat > set the visible of image "TheTitle" to true > > In my tests it drops through the while loop immediately > and sets the image to visible, rather than waiting the > desired four seconds. > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 21:50:42 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:50:42 +1000 Subject: Timing In-Reply-To: <002301c6100d$e04ba170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <002301c6100d$e04ba170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: > I've been trying to get a simple timing script > going and so far haven't managed. Basically > I need a routine that shows an image after a > certain number of seconds. I've tried Ticks > and seconds but neither seemed to do it. > > What I need is something like > > put the ticks into elapsedTicks > repeat while elapsedTicks < 240 -- 240 being four seconds > set the visible of image "TheTitle" to false > end repeat > set the visible of image "TheTitle" to true > > In my tests it drops through the while loop immediately > and sets the image to visible, rather than waiting the > desired four seconds. In your script, you don't update elapsedTicks within your repeat loop, so it will never change. I would have thought this would give you an infinite loop, so I can't see why it drops through. However, you would be better using "send in time" instead of making your program stop completely during the delay. Try something like this: on hideImage set the visible of image "TheTitle" to false send "showImage" to me in 4 seconds end hideImage on showImage set the visible of image "TheTitle" to true end showImage This allows other stuff to happen during the 4 seconds e.g. moving the window, choosing menus, clicking other buttons. HTH, Sarah From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 2 21:52:18 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:52:18 +1100 Subject: Timing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c61010$ba2054c0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Thanks Mark and Sarah! :-) Scott From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 2 23:39:18 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:39:18 +1100 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status Message-ID: <002501c6101f$ace97750$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi folks, I've noticed that some stacks continue running when the application is put back into design time in the inspector. Is it possible to detect design time in script in order to stop the stack in question from running? Scott From soapdog at mac.com Mon Jan 2 23:56:01 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:56:01 -0200 Subject: Networksolutions.com & Revolution cgi In-Reply-To: <20060103011440.3168C3DF0@xprdmailfe11.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060103011440.3168C3DF0@xprdmailfe11.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <7E5F321C-0732-4432-ACD4-AD2DCCE8CE9D@mac.com> Tom, Ask for Linux Kernel version and libC version (if the thing is linux and not some bsd... apache runs anywhere these days) Cheers andre On Jan 2, 2006, at 11:14 PM, Thomas McCarthy wrote: > > Happy New Year! > Just getting back to work.... > > My publisher has moved to networksolutions.com for hosting (not my > choice!) I know the revolution site was located there at some time. > > We have the Unix plan and I'm trying to get my cgi's working. Need > to know what flavor of Unix engine to upload. (called their tech > people and was told, "It's Apache", which isn't very helpful.) I'm > waiting for their "deep tech" people to answer, but thought I'd ask > here as well. > > many thanks > tm > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From soapdog at mac.com Tue Jan 3 00:21:21 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:21:21 -0200 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) Message-ID: Hi Folks, this email is about a little nice hack I made today. Here I present the steps for making URLs like: x-dreamcard://www.mysweetserver/mySweetStack.rev Open inside Revolution app, even when inserted inside HTML files rendered by Safari or the like. So this is about Registering a new protocol and protocol helper application in MacOS X. When you type a URL in MacOS X, for example: http://www.runrev.com The system first try to recognize the HTTP protocol, if it does, then it looks for an app that can handle this kind of protocol, in my case Safari, then it passes an AppleEvent GURLGURL with the URL for the application. So we can create a new protocol called x-dreamcard and associate it with Revolution, this way, when the user access a URL that uses x-dreamcard as the protocol, Revolution will receive the GURLGURL AppleEvent with the URL. I named the protocol x-dreamcard here for some reasons, first it's advised by many groups of very important IETF members that all protocols that are not approved by IETF (this experimental) be prefixed with an X and a dash. I also was trying to open the URL in the Dreamcard Player but since the player and Rev shares the same creator codes, my system finds that Rev is the default application for REVO creator code. We can associate creator codes with protocols using something called LaunchServices (new MacOS X thingy), or you can use some tool like MoreInternet (http://www.monkeyfood.com/software/moreinternet/). So the steps are: (1) Download moreInternet. (2) Use it to add x-dreamcard protocol and associate it with Rev. This takes care of the Operating System part, now onto Rev. Revolution does not deal with GURL AppleEvents by default so what we do is write a little plugin that is loaded as backscript on startup, this script traps all AppleEvents looking for a GURL, if it receives it, the it loads the file, the script I use is below: on appleEvent pClass,pID,pSender if pClass is "GURL" and pID is "GURL" then request appleEvent data -- get the content of the AppleEvent replace "x-dreamcard" with "http" in it go stack URL it end if pass appleEvent end appleevent We need to replace the x-dreamcard protocol in the AppleEvent data because this protocol don't actually exists, it's just a little tag to tell the system: "Hey load this stuff on Revolution!" What can you do with things such as this? Well, you can create educational resources as HTML and create little demo stacks, when the user clicks on the demo stack links inside the HTML, the app will load on demand inside Revolution (or Dreamcard player, whichever is available, you could even create your own loader using splash techniques), which would be a very easy student user experience. I created this to see if I could, it involves lots of customizations, quick ones, but some effort, maybe someone might do clever things with it, I just wanted to share. Cheers andre From davis.phil at comcast.net Tue Jan 3 00:34:37 2006 From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:34:37 -0800 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status In-Reply-To: <002501c6101f$ace97750$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <002501c6101f$ace97750$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43BA0CED.7000608@comcast.net> Hi Scott - I'm not completely sure what you mean by "putting the app back into design time in the inspector." If you mean you're in running the Rev development environment and you're changing the selected tool from 'browse' to something else, you could control the running of your script this way: on doMyStuff if the tool <> "browse tool" then exit doMyStuff -- your stuff follows end doMyStuff If you mean you've opened your stack in the development environment rather than in a standalone environment, you could do this: on doMyStuff if the environment = "development" then exit doMyStuff -- your stuff follows end doMyStuff If you mean something else, maybe you could give us a little more info? Thanks - Phil Davis Scott Kane wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've noticed that some stacks continue running > when the application is put back into design > time in the inspector. Is it possible to detect > design time in script in order to stop the stack > in question from running? > > Scott From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 3 00:42:19 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:42:19 +1100 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status In-Reply-To: <43BA0CED.7000608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002601c61028$7acbf140$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Phil, > If you mean you've opened your stack in the development environment > rather than in a standalone environment, you could do this: > > on doMyStuff > if the environment = "development" then exit doMyStuff > -- your stuff follows > end doMyStuff That's exactly what I'm looking for. Sorry for the lack of clarity, I'm still using terminology of other programming tools - I'll get the hang of expressing my self in "Rev" eventually... :-) Thanks, Phil From soapdog at mac.com Tue Jan 3 00:44:52 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:44:52 -0200 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status In-Reply-To: <002501c6101f$ace97750$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <002501c6101f$ace97750$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Scott Kane wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've noticed that some stacks continue running > when the application is put back into design > time in the inspector. Is it possible to detect > design time in script in order to stop the stack > in question from running? > > Scott Scott, There is a function called tool that will return the current tool, you use the "browse tool" to interact with your stacks and other tools to modify it, so by checking for the "browse tool" you'll be able to see if you should go on... script: if the tool is "browse tool" then bla bla bla Cheers andre From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 3 00:50:08 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:50:08 +1100 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c61029$937a7ee0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > There is a function called tool that will return the current tool, > you use the "browse tool" to interact with your stacks and other > tools to modify it, so by checking for the "browse tool" you'll be > able to see if you should go on... > > script: > > if the tool is "browse tool" then bla bla bla Thanks Andre! Both Your's and Phil's suggestions work beautifully! Scott From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Jan 3 00:43:24 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:43:24 -0600 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/2/06 11:21 PM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > this email is about a little nice hack I made today. Here I present > the steps for making URLs like: > > x-dreamcard://www.mysweetserver/mySweetStack.rev That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it on Windows? ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From soapdog at mac.com Tue Jan 3 01:56:06 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 04:56:06 -0200 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it on > Windows? > > ;-) I bet it's a registry hack, might even be easier than Macs... I'll find out and tell you! ;-) the beauty of this solution is that the stacks never touch the disk, it's all on memory, the GURLGURL event will tell rev a URL and Rev will load it on the fly. It's not like Safari downloading the stack, taging it as a safe file type and loading after the download. I don't know if we have this kind of flexibility in windows, but I'll do some research! Cheers andre From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Jan 3 01:57:58 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:57:58 -0800 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> References: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> Message-ID: <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > >> That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it on >> Windows? >> >> ;-) > > > I bet it's a registry hack, might even be easier than Macs... I'll find > out and tell you! ;-) > > the beauty of this solution is that the stacks never touch the disk, > it's all on memory, the GURLGURL event will tell rev a URL and Rev will > load it on the fly. It's not like Safari downloading the stack, taging > it as a safe file type and loading after the download. I don't know if > we have this kind of flexibility in windows, but I'll do some research! Is there a way to have a user set this up without having to do it manually themselves by downloading that specialized app? It would be ideal if this could be set up via AppleScript, driven by the click of a button in our apps.... -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Jan 3 04:02:42 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:02:42 +0000 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> References: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <07687B4C-0EE9-4CC9-A2F9-05C74116D3D6@lacscentre.co.uk> On 3 Jan 2006, at 06:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Andre Garzia wrote: >> On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Ken Ray wrote: >>> That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it >>> on Windows? >>> >>> ;-) >> I bet it's a registry hack, might even be easier than Macs... >> I'll find out and tell you! ;-) >> the beauty of this solution is that the stacks never touch the >> disk, it's all on memory, the GURLGURL event will tell rev a URL >> and Rev will load it on the fly. It's not like Safari downloading >> the stack, taging it as a safe file type and loading after the >> download. I don't know if we have this kind of flexibility in >> windows, but I'll do some research! > > Is there a way to have a user set this up without having to do it > manually themselves by downloading that specialized app? > > It would be ideal if this could be set up via AppleScript, driven > by the click of a button in our apps.... Wouldn't this be opening up a huge security hole for users if it could be done this easily? If I understand this correctly, this would be similar to the "help" protocol security issue that was around with OS X 10.2.8 (or thereabouts). See the following URL. http://mamamusings.net/archives/2004/05/18/ serious_os_x_security_problem.php Andre wrote: > What can you do with things such as this? Well, you can create > educational resources as HTML and create little demo stacks, when > the user clicks on the demo stack links inside the HTML, the app > will load on demand inside Revolution (or Dreamcard player, > whichever is available, you could even create your own loader using > splash techniques), which would be a very easy student user > experience. Unfortunately, I think someone could also add links in web pages to stacks that read/delete your hard drive contents, install and launch other apps, etc. Sorry to be the doom merchant. :-) Cheers Dave From garretthylltun at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 04:06:06 2006 From: garretthylltun at gmail.com (Garrett Hylltun) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 01:06:06 -0800 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <747799E4-91BD-4FD9-89D6-31C7C0128766@gmail.com> On Jan 2, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > On 1/2/06 11:21 PM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> this email is about a little nice hack I made today. Here I present >> the steps for making URLs like: >> >> x-dreamcard://www.mysweetserver/mySweetStack.rev > > That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it on > Windows? > Try adding a mime type in the internet settings of the windows control panel. -Garrett From graham.samuel at wanadoo.fr Tue Jan 3 04:16:54 2006 From: graham.samuel at wanadoo.fr (graham samuel) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:16:54 +0100 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status Message-ID: <1B6D0639-8A72-4169-B5B2-8B13EE4B13E2@wanadoo.fr> On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:44:52 -0200, Andre Garzia wrote: > On Jan 3, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Scott Kane wrote: > > >> Hi folks, >> >> I've noticed that some stacks continue running >> when the application is put back into design >> time in the inspector. Is it possible to detect >> design time in script in order to stop the stack >> in question from running? >> >> Scott >> > > > Scott, > > There is a function called tool that will return the current tool, > you use the "browse tool" to interact with your stacks and other > tools to modify it, so by checking for the "browse tool" you'll be > able to see if you should go on... > > script: > > if the tool is "browse tool" then bla bla bla I understand this, but to me there is an underlying question in this area, which is why when no special tool-detection code is inserted, bits (scripts) of one's app continue to run under the IDE while other bits stop as soon as one switches away from the browse tool. I have been vaguely aware of this for some time but have never tracked it down. Maybe it's scripts running from palette-style stacks that don't stop? There must be rules governing this, but what are they? Sometimes it seems to me that there's a ghost in the machine. In general although not totally averse, I'm not keen to add IDE- detection code to my stacks when it will never be of any use in the final standalone. Graham ---------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 3 04:22:00 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:22:00 +1100 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status In-Reply-To: <1B6D0639-8A72-4169-B5B2-8B13EE4B13E2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <000001c61047$2b11ff40$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > I understand this, but to me there is an underlying question in this > area, which is why when no special tool-detection code is inserted, > bits (scripts) of one's app continue to run under the IDE > while other > bits stop as soon as one switches away from the browse tool. I have > been vaguely aware of this for some time but have never tracked it > down. Maybe it's scripts running from palette-style stacks > that don't > stop? There must be rules governing this, but what are they? > Sometimes it seems to me that there's a ghost in the machine. In > general although not totally averse, I'm not keen to add IDE- > detection code to my stacks when it will never be of any use in the > final standalone. It happens to me only when I play media files (sound) using the Play function and when I have card script that moves to the next card via a timer. Scott From alex298298 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 05:03:27 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:03:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to check the HTTP web server respond speed Message-ID: <20060103100327.67026.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I want to compare the speed of webservers. I try to use the following function. However the respond time (Server_Speed) of almost all servers I test is zero. I don't believe that the response speed of all webservers are so fast - zero. There must be some problem with the way I calculate it. Please help. function haveIPconnect put fld "domain" into theHostName if colon is not in theHostName then put colon & "80|test" after theHostName end if ## Record the start time put the long seconds into startTime open socket theHostName if theHostName is among the lines of the openSockets then ## Calculate the response time put the long seconds - startTime into Server_Speed close socket theHostName return true else beep answer warning "The site may be down" return false end if end haveIPconnect Thanks and best regards Alex __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From alex at tweedly.net Tue Jan 3 05:27:30 2006 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:27:30 +0000 Subject: How to check the HTTP web server respond speed In-Reply-To: <20060103100327.67026.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060103100327.67026.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BA5192.4090800@tweedly.net> alex wu wrote: >Hello, > >I want to compare the speed of webservers. I try to >use the following function. However the respond time >(Server_Speed) of almost all servers I test is zero. >I don't believe that the response speed of all >webservers are so fast - zero. There must be some >problem with the way I calculate it. Please help. > > > Alex, your problem is that "open socket" doesn't wait until the connection is established. From the docs: > When a connection is made, the open socket command creates a new > socket that can be used to communicate with the other system. The > handler continues executing while the connection is being established. > If you use the write to socket command while the connection is > opening, the data is buffered and is sent to the host as soon as the > connection is made. You should be able to write a single byte to the socket - write to socket does pause until the write is completed so this should give you valid timings. ("valid timings" - this will give you approximately valid timings for connection establishment - there's a lot more than that involved in the overall speed of a web server, so I'd be very careful how much I read into these results ...) >function haveIPconnect > put fld "domain" into theHostName > if colon is not in theHostName then > put colon & "80|test" after theHostName > end if > > ## Record the start time > put the long seconds into startTime > > open socket theHostName > > > if theHostName is among the lines of the openSockets >then > > ## Calculate the response time > put the long seconds - startTime into Server_Speed > > close socket theHostName > return true > else > beep > answer warning "The site may be down" > return false > end if >end haveIPconnect > > > -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 3 05:27:13 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:27:13 +0100 Subject: How to check the HTTP web server respond speed In-Reply-To: <20060103100327.67026.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060103100327.67026.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, The following works here: function haveIPconnect local theHostName,tstartTime ----- put fld "domain" into theHostName if colon is not in theHostName then put colon & "80|test" after theHostName end if put the long seconds into tstartTime ----- open socket theHostName if theHostName is among the lines of openSockets() then return (the long seconds - tstartTime) end if return "error" end haveIPconnect Returns 0.000022 for my own website. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 3 janv. 06 ? 11:03, alex wu a ?crit : > Hello, > > I want to compare the speed of webservers. I try to > use the following function. However the respond time > (Server_Speed) of almost all servers I test is zero. > I don't believe that the response speed of all > webservers are so fast - zero. There must be some > problem with the way I calculate it. Please help. > > function haveIPconnect > put fld "domain" into theHostName > if colon is not in theHostName then > put colon & "80|test" after theHostName > end if > > ## Record the start time > put the long seconds into startTime > > open socket theHostName > if theHostName is among the lines of the openSockets > then > > ## Calculate the response time > put the long seconds - startTime into Server_Speed > > close socket theHostName > return true > else > beep > answer warning "The site may be down" > return false > end if > end haveIPconnect > > > Thanks and best regards > > Alex ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From alex298298 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 06:02:42 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:02:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to check the HTTP web server respond speed In-Reply-To: <43BA5192.4090800@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <20060103110242.87123.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Thanks for your assistance! I modified the function according to your information. The Server_Speed of some top websites range from 0.013 to 0.025 seconds. This seems to be more reasonable. function haveIPconnect put fld "domain" into theHostName if colon is not in theHostName then put colon & "80|test" after theHostName end if ## Record the start time put the long seconds into startTime open socket theHostName if theHostName is among the lines of the openSockets then ##Write to socket while it's open write "h" to socket theHostName ## Calculate the response time put the long seconds - startTime into Server_Speed close socket theHostName return true else beep answer warning "The site may be down" return false end if end haveIPconnect Best regards Alex --- Alex Tweedly wrote: > alex wu wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I want to compare the speed of webservers. I try > to > >use the following function. However the respond > time > >(Server_Speed) of almost all servers I test is > zero. > >I don't believe that the response speed of all > >webservers are so fast - zero. There must be some > >problem with the way I calculate it. Please help. > > > > > > > Alex, > > your problem is that "open socket" doesn't wait > until the connection is > established. From the docs: > > > When a connection is made, the open socket command > creates a new > > socket that can be used to communicate with the > other system. The > > handler continues executing while the connection > is being established. > > If you use the write to socket command while the > connection is > > opening, the data is buffered and is sent to the > host as soon as the > > connection is made. > > You should be able to write a single byte to the > socket - write to > socket does pause until the write is completed so > this should give you > valid timings. > > ("valid timings" - this will give you approximately > valid timings for > connection establishment - there's a lot more than > that involved in the > overall speed of a web server, so I'd be very > careful how much I read > into these results ...) > > >function haveIPconnect > > put fld "domain" into theHostName > > if colon is not in theHostName then > > put colon & "80|test" after theHostName > > end if > > > > ## Record the start time > > put the long seconds into startTime > > > > open socket theHostName > > > > > > if theHostName is among the lines of the > openSockets > >then > > > > ## Calculate the response time > > put the long seconds - startTime into > Server_Speed > > > > close socket theHostName > > return true > > else > > beep > > answer warning "The site may be down" > > return false > > end if > >end haveIPconnect > > > > > > > > -- > Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - > Release Date: 30/12/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From fwvo at planet.nl Tue Jan 3 06:09:55 2006 From: fwvo at planet.nl (Ferdinand) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:09:55 +0100 Subject: players duration differs from actual total time Message-ID: <33c2d24f42c6ec061eccdc6c81e81724@planet.nl> Hello, I want to manage mp3-files within Revolution. Everything works fine, but the duration of the player (divided by the timeScale) gives a longer total time compared to the total time of the same mp3-file if I open it with iTunes or Quicktime player. It is 1 second more in about 6 minutes. For my program it is important to have the exact position of the player, which should be the same as if the mp3 file was opened with iTunes, or Quicktime player. How could I solve this, or what could be the problem here? I am using 2.0 on Mac OS X 10.3.9 In the trial version 2.6 I have the same problems. Thanks in advance for any help. Ferdinand. From paulclaude at postino.it Tue Jan 3 07:50:56 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:50:56 +0100 Subject: Thread problem Message-ID: I have a little problem posting messages to this list. I've asked several times for a solution to heather at runrev.com, but without any answer, so I ask directly to you. I've made many posts to this list, but everytime my posts open a new thread, I cannot continue an existing one. How can I post in a existing thread (I use Microsoft Entourage X on a Mac)? Greetings PaulClaude From paulclaude at postino.it Tue Jan 3 08:09:08 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:09:08 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) Message-ID: > Hi, Paul, > > Don't confuse the "script of an object in the hierarchy" with the order of > stack windows you ?see?. > > Invoking 'start using' places the *stack script* of that stack in the > *message* hierarchy, not the stack itself. > > Construct a reference to a stack by name and that will be the location > eg "image 1 of card id 1265 of stack "Image Lib People" > > Also > if stored in a different folder use > ?/Users/MyLogin/Documents/RevLibStacks/ImageLib.rev? for example. > In Rev, the filePath is the location and name of the file or folder whose > long equivalent you want. > put the longfilepath of the filename of this stack > If you specify a name but not a location, Revolution assumes the stack is in > the defaultFolder. Hi Jim, My problem is a little different. Think to have 3 open stacks, named x1, x2 and x3, and opened in this order. Stack X2 and Stack X3 have two images with the same ID (i.e. 1008). How you set the icon of a button in stack x1 with the image id 1008 of stack x3? 1) Using: set the icon of btn y to 1008 shows the icon of stack x2 2) Using: set the icon of btn y to (image ID 1008 of stack thelongfilepath) shows nothing 3) 'Start using' or 'set defaultStack' does'nt change the things. From Stgoldberg at aol.com Tue Jan 3 08:14:39 2006 From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:14:39 EST Subject: Transporting icons to Windows Message-ID: I have iconographer, but a simple question: After transferring the ".ico" graphic to the Windows hard drive, how do you actually incorporate the ".ico" graphic into the Revolution built application? If I create a "Shortcut" to the Rev application in Windows, the "Properties" window of the shortcut does allow for changing the shortcut icon, but I don't see how to add the icon to the main Rev application. Any suggestion? Thanks. Steve Goldberg From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Tue Jan 3 08:19:49 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:19:49 +0100 Subject: Transporting icons to Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Steve, in the application building options you'll find the windows icon path field... just insert the path to the icons there... cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 03/01/2006 14:14:39: > I have iconographer, but a simple question: After transferring the ".ico" > graphic to the Windows hard drive, how do you actually incorporate the ".ico" > graphic into the Revolution built application? If I create a > "Shortcut" to the > Rev application in Windows, the "Properties" window of the shortcut > does allow > for changing the shortcut icon, but I don't see how to add the icon to the > main Rev application. Any suggestion? Thanks. > Steve Goldberg > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ----------------------------------------- To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From jerry at hytext.com Tue Jan 3 08:33:58 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:33:58 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? Message-ID: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Can I upload data files to my space on RevOnline? The *.rev files will go, I know, but my little app has a couple of demo data files to go along with it. I'd like to upload a package like the WikiRev zip file on http://hytext.com/rev/ Maybe I should write a stack that harbors the data files, and unpacks them to the user's disk when run. Then I'd be uploading *.rev files only. Hmmm.... I guess I just answered my own question. However, that source has proven, in the past, to have variable reliability.... ---- Jerry Muelver From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 3 09:44:05 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:44:05 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E0281E9-085C-4067-87E6-32A64C8FA4A7@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Paul, Images are the only objects the IDs of which can be changed: Just change the IDs of some images to avoid any conflict :-) And keep on hand the IDs list :-) In order to be meticulous, you can store all images in a stack or a substack, or put them onto a specific card dedicated to them. Le 3 janv. 06 ? 14:09, Paul Claude a ?crit : > Think to have 3 open stacks, named x1, x2 and x3, and opened in > this order. > Stack X2 and Stack X3 have two images with the same ID (i.e. 1008). > > How you set the icon of a button in stack x1 with the image id 1008 > of stack > x3? > > 1) Using: set the icon of btn y to 1008 shows the icon of stack x2 > 2) Using: > set the icon of btn y to (image ID 1008 of stack thelongfilepath) > shows > nothing > 3) 'Start using' or 'set defaultStack' does'nt change the things. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Tue Jan 3 10:18:28 2006 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:18:28 -0400 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always wondered why sometimes the "\" character didn't work. I thought it was me and I just started making extremely long lines in my code. Can't be used to split a string. Geez. I guess there is a complex reason for that related to hexadecimal inputs through the hyperspatial tuning of the dilithium crystal memory stacks or some such. On 1/2/06 4:41 PM, "Jim Ault" wrote: >> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. > The correct character is "\" > > Not sure what you are doing specifically, but remember, the "\" cannot be > used to split a string: > NO: > put "the lazy brown dog jumped \ > and bit the mailman" into neverHappened > > Yes, even in the multi-line message box: > put " the lazy mailman bit " & \ > "the brown dog" into newsAtSix > > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > On 1/2/06 12:34 PM, "Jeff Honken" wrote: > >> Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code >> works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go to >> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a very >> cut down version of what I'm trying: >> >> --> CONSTRUCT SQL >> put "CREATE TABLE Provider >> (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL >> --> EXECUTE SQL >> put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList >> >> The Provider table is actually very large. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution | | | )_) )_) )_) )___))___))___)\ )____)____)_____)\\ _____|____|____|____\\\__ -------\ /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^ 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190 fax: (787) 809-8426 Blue Water Maritime P.O. Box 91 Puerto Real, PR 00740 From Stgoldberg at aol.com Tue Jan 3 11:00:35 2006 From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:00:35 EST Subject: Transporting icons to Windows Message-ID: <1c6.3851e0e9.30ebf9a3@aol.com> Thanks Xavier. Works beautifully and much simpler than I thought. Wierdly, I think you anwered my question before I even posted it. I love this group. Steve Goldberg In a message dated 1/3/06 10:19:25 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes: > From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com > Subject: Re:Transporting icons to Windows > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > ? ? < > OF45C02ED8.711C23B5-ONC12570EB.004928F0-C12570EB.004939CC at deutsche-boerse.com> > ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Steve, > > in the application building options you'll find the windows icon path > field... just insert the path to the icons > there... > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 03/01/2006 14:14:39: > > > I have iconographer, but a simple question: After transferring the > ".ico" > > graphic to the Windows hard drive, how do you actually incorporate the > ".ico" > > graphic into the Revolution built application??? If I create a > > "Shortcut" to the > > Rev application in Windows, the "Properties" window of the shortcut > > does allow > > for changing the shortcut icon, but I don't see how to add the icon to > the > > main Rev application. Any suggestion? Thanks. > > Steve Goldberg > From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jan 3 11:01:19 2006 From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:01:19 +0000 Subject: More Scope Problems In-Reply-To: <4E0281E9-085C-4067-87E6-32A64C8FA4A7@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <4E0281E9-085C-4067-87E6-32A64C8FA4A7@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have a problem that is baffling me. I have number of stacks: StackA StackB StackC In the preOpenStack hander of Card 1 of StackA, I load some other stacks using the: go invisible stack "StackB" close stack "StackB" (The above it just to get the stack loaded and to setup some values that are needed by StackA) Then I do the following: send "StackInitialize" to this stack Which should (unless I am wrong) call the "StackInitialize" handler in StackA. This happens some of the time, but about 50% of the time control is passed to the "StackInitialize" handler in StackB (Both stacks have a handler of this name), so I don't get an error. I have added a breakpoint statement (since the debugger is flakey and won't stop on a normal breakpoint) just before the send "StackInitialize" to this stack statement and if I step into the "StackInitialize" handler, about 50% of the time control is passed to StackB, not StackA. If, before I step into the handler I do: put the name of this stack from the Message Box, it says "StackA", yet when I step, it goes to "StackB". Can anyone shed some light on this and tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks a lot, and Happy New Year Dave From acr at camalott.com Tue Jan 3 12:09:44 2006 From: acr at camalott.com (ACR) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:09:44 -0700 Subject: Game Source Information for Rev Message-ID: <004d01c61088$7f4d8020$98262745@kori5kyitgg783> I recently bought my Revolution software. I am in the process of making a small adventure game. It is a point and click game, usually called a Myst clone. I had to choose between Revolution and Director for my game software. As I understand it, the first Myst game was make with Hypercard (Revolution). Since I am new to Revolution, I am lost in a sea of Commands. I probably don't need to learn all of them, probably only a few dozen Commands for my game. Commands such as go to the next images, start/stop background sound, start/stop music, start a sprite, start/stop an animation, and so on and so on. And I will need to make some puzzles which will require Functions probably. All I have found in user stacks so far are applications. Are there an adventure game stacks I could take apart and learn from? Are there any books on the subject? I am starting from the beginning, so any information source will help. Thanks Kori From rcozens at pon.net Tue Jan 3 11:00:14 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:00:14 -0800 Subject: Detecting Design Time Status In-Reply-To: <1B6D0639-8A72-4169-B5B2-8B13EE4B13E2@wanadoo.fr> References: <1B6D0639-8A72-4169-B5B2-8B13EE4B13E2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060103075306.019e4568@pon.net> Hi Graham, >Sometimes it seems to me that there's a ghost in the machine. send someMessage to someObject in someFutureTime [seconds,ticks] will ensconce a "ghost" that will come back to "haunt" you in someFutureTime when in the IDE. BTW, this also holds true when a stack is not the topStack [or even the top application?], whether it's running from the IDE or a standalone. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From rcozens at pon.net Tue Jan 3 11:11:35 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:11:35 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060103080244.0196f830@pon.net> Hi Paul, >3) 'Start using' or 'set defaultStack' does'nt change the things. Try: start using stack "x3" lock screen repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x) end repeat unlock screen or going to another card in stack "x1". Basically, you need to redraw the screen to see the new icons. If this doesn't work, let me know and I'll help you search for a better answer. Since HyperCard days I have mused about changing the look and feel of a stack by doing exactly what you are trying to do; but I've yet to have a need for that in the applications I'm programming. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From rcozens at pon.net Tue Jan 3 11:34:43 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:34:43 -0800 Subject: More Scope Problems In-Reply-To: References: <4E0281E9-085C-4067-87E6-32A64C8FA4A7@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060103081839.019ec5b0@pon.net> Morning Dave, >I have number of stacks: > >StackA >StackB >StackC > >In the preOpenStack hander of Card 1 of StackA, I load some other >stacks using the: > >go invisible stack "StackB" >close stack "StackB" > >(The above it just to get the stack loaded and to setup some values >that are needed by StackA) > >Then I do the following: > >send "StackInitialize" to this stack > >Which should (unless I am wrong) call the "StackInitialize" handler >in StackA. I cannot tell you positively what is going wrong; but offer the following comments and suggestions: * Unless the destroyStack property of Stack B is true, it is still in RAM after you close it. Apparently it is (at least sometimes) still in the message path despite being closed. * You _might_ solve the problem by adding to the StackInitialize handlers: if the name of the target is not the name of me then pass StackInitialize * You can initialize variables and such from Stack B without opening it: Instead of 'go invisible stack "Stack B"', try 'start using stack "Stack B"'. In Stack B's stack script add-- on libraryStack -- initialization end libraryStack * You can get & set values for Stack B without going to it: get field x of card y of stack "Stack B" set the icon of button q of card r of stack "Stack B" to myIcon Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From jhonken at x12.info Tue Jan 3 12:38:28 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:38:28 -0700 Subject: Game Source Information for Rev In-Reply-To: <004d01c61088$7f4d8020$98262745@kori5kyitgg783> Message-ID: <000801c6108c$84f74020$640fa8c0@work1> Kori, I've just recently joined the ranks of a Revolution user. I found Dan Shafe's book "Software at the Speed of Thought" very helpful. I'm not developing games but I found his book a great asset when learing scripting. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of ACR Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:10 AM To: Revolution Subject: Game Source Information for Rev I recently bought my Revolution software. I am in the process of making a small adventure game. It is a point and click game, usually called a Myst clone. I had to choose between Revolution and Director for my game software. As I understand it, the first Myst game was make with Hypercard (Revolution). Since I am new to Revolution, I am lost in a sea of Commands. I probably don't need to learn all of them, probably only a few dozen Commands for my game. Commands such as go to the next images, start/stop background sound, start/stop music, start a sprite, start/stop an animation, and so on and so on. And I will need to make some puzzles which will require Functions probably. All I have found in user stacks so far are applications. Are there an adventure game stacks I could take apart and learn from? Are there any books on the subject? I am starting from the beginning, so any information source will help. Thanks Kori _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From acr at camalott.com Tue Jan 3 13:41:56 2006 From: acr at camalott.com (ACR) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:41:56 -0700 Subject: Game Source Information for Rev References: <000801c6108c$84f74020$640fa8c0@work1> Message-ID: <000c01c61095$600e28b0$94262745@kori5kyitgg783> Thanks for the suggestion. I already have bought a copy, but have not read it yet. I am still going though tutorials from Revolution site. Thanks Kori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Honken" To: "'How to use Revolution'" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Game Source Information for Rev > Kori, > > I've just recently joined the ranks of a Revolution user. I found Dan > Shafe's book "Software at the Speed of Thought" very helpful. I'm not > developing games but I found his book a great asset when learing > scripting. > > Jeff > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of ACR > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:10 AM > To: Revolution > Subject: Game Source Information for Rev > > I recently bought my Revolution software. I am in the process of making > a small adventure game. It is a point and click game, usually called a > Myst clone. I had to choose between Revolution and Director for my game > software. As I understand it, the first Myst game was make with > Hypercard (Revolution). > > Since I am new to Revolution, I am lost in a sea of Commands. I probably > don't need to learn all of them, probably only a few dozen Commands for > my game. Commands such as go to the next images, start/stop background > sound, start/stop music, start a sprite, start/stop an animation, and so > on and so on. And I will need to make some puzzles which will require > Functions probably. > > All I have found in user stacks so far are applications. Are there an > adventure game stacks I could take apart and learn from? Are there any > books on the subject? > > I am starting from the beginning, so any information source will help. > > Thanks > > Kori > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 13:08:41 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:08:41 -0800 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/3/06 7:18 AM, "Bill" wrote: >the "\" (...) Can't be > used to split a string. There is a very good reason for this convention: This allows you to use any words you want in a text string and they will not be confused with commands. Imagine wanting to use the word "repeat" in a paragraph that the user will read, but the compiler said 'too, bad, it is a reserved word'. And all the others = "it, for, when, put, end, while, format, folder, file, into, ........" Basically, the compiler is digesting variables, assignments, repeat loops, reserved words, etc, but *suspends* this while scanning a text string, therefore, it does detect special structures like end-of-command-line. HTH Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/3/06 7:18 AM, "Bill" wrote: > I always wondered why sometimes the "\" character didn't work. I thought it > was me and I just started making extremely long lines in my code. Can't be > used to split a string. Geez. I guess there is a complex reason for that > related to hexadecimal inputs through the hyperspatial tuning of the > dilithium crystal memory stacks or some such. > > > On 1/2/06 4:41 PM, "Jim Ault" wrote: > >>> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. >> The correct character is "\" >> >> Not sure what you are doing specifically, but remember, the "\" cannot be >> used to split a string: >> NO: >> put "the lazy brown dog jumped \ >> and bit the mailman" into neverHappened >> >> Yes, even in the multi-line message box: >> put " the lazy mailman bit " & \ >> "the brown dog" into newsAtSix >> >> >> Jim Ault >> Las Vegas >> >> On 1/2/06 12:34 PM, "Jeff Honken" wrote: >> >>> Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code >>> works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go to >>> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a very >>> cut down version of what I'm trying: >>> >>> --> CONSTRUCT SQL >>> put "CREATE TABLE Provider >>> (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL >>> --> EXECUTE SQL >>> put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList >>> >>> The Provider table is actually very large. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > | | | > )_) )_) )_) > )___))___))___)\ > )____)____)_____)\\ > _____|____|____|____\\\__ > -------\ /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ > ^^^^ ^^^ > > 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190 > fax: (787) 809-8426 > > Blue Water Maritime > P.O. Box 91 > Puerto Real, PR 00740 > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mark at maseurope.net Tue Jan 3 13:12:20 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:12:20 +0000 Subject: More Scope Problems In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060103081839.019ec5b0@pon.net> References: <4E0281E9-085C-4067-87E6-32A64C8FA4A7@sosmartsoftware.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060103081839.019ec5b0@pon.net> Message-ID: Also, if there is any scope ambiguity, it helps to be explicit: send "stackInitialize" to stack "stackA" or send "stackInitialize" to me (if the card doesn't handle it, it'll go to the stack) or even set the defaultStack to "stackA" Mark On 3 Jan 2006, at 16:34, Rob Cozens wrote: > Morning Dave, > >> I have number of stacks: >> >> StackA >> StackB >> StackC >> >> In the preOpenStack hander of Card 1 of StackA, I load some other >> stacks using the: >> >> go invisible stack "StackB" >> close stack "StackB" >> >> (The above it just to get the stack loaded and to setup some >> values that are needed by StackA) >> >> Then I do the following: >> >> send "StackInitialize" to this stack >> >> Which should (unless I am wrong) call the "StackInitialize" >> handler in StackA. > > I cannot tell you positively what is going wrong; but offer the > following comments and suggestions: > > * Unless the destroyStack property of Stack B is true, it is still > in RAM after you close it. Apparently it is (at least sometimes) > still in the message path despite being closed. > > * You _might_ solve the problem by adding to the StackInitialize > handlers: > > if the name of the target is not the name of me then pass > StackInitialize > > * You can initialize variables and such from Stack B without > opening it: > > Instead of 'go invisible stack "Stack B"', try 'start using stack > "Stack B"'. In Stack B's stack script add-- > > on libraryStack > -- initialization > end libraryStack > > * You can get & set values for Stack B without going to it: > > get field x of card y of stack "Stack B" > set the icon of button q of card r of stack "Stack B" to > myIcon > > Rob Cozens CCW > Serendipity Software Company > > "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; > Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." > > from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From nuzoo2 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 13:13:30 2006 From: nuzoo2 at yahoo.com (Janus Jakaterina) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:13:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Game Source Information for Rev In-Reply-To: <004d01c61088$7f4d8020$98262745@kori5kyitgg783> Message-ID: <20060103181330.81973.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Kori You also might want to take a look at http://pipmak.sourceforge.net/. Pipmak is cross-platform, open-source, and designed for making Myst-clones. It uses Lua scripting, which was also used in the later Lucas Arts games (e.g., Grim Fandango). __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Tue Jan 3 13:18:58 2006 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:18:58 +0100 Subject: Resize stack, OSX= OK , Windows KO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1815D223-FBFF-4FEB-85F3-A2B496157540@mac.com> Many thanks to Ken and Sarah for their good guess It works OK Thanks again Pierre Le 2 janv. 06 ? 21:27, Ken Ray a ?crit : > On 1/2/06 11:54 AM, "Pierre Bernaert" wrote: > >>> ? On "Windows" : ? I can resize the Stack >> ? I Can't resize the sub-stacks (Arrows are not appearing). >> >> I didn't find anything on documentation neither on "How to use >> Revolution" >> >> What do I miss ? > > A bug that prevents this from happening if the decorations of the > stack are > not "default". If you set the decorations of your substacks to > "default", it > should work again. (See Bugs #2178 and #2340) > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 13:20:15 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:20:15 -0800 Subject: Game Source Information for Rev In-Reply-To: <000c01c61095$600e28b0$94262745@kori5kyitgg783> Message-ID: try this link to a previous annoucement post on this list http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg65061.html ArcadeEngine 1.5 released Malte Brill Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:13:31 -0800 Hi all, We're delighted to bring you an update to the popular and easy to use Arcade Engine, by DerBrill Software. Arcade Engine incorporates sophisticated, scripted path management graphics and effects handling to meet the needs ... On 1/3/06 10:41 AM, "ACR" wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I already have bought a copy, but have not read > it yet. I am still going though tutorials from Revolution site. > > Thanks > Kori > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Honken" > To: "'How to use Revolution'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:38 AM > Subject: RE: Game Source Information for Rev > > >> Kori, >> >> I've just recently joined the ranks of a Revolution user. I found Dan >> Shafe's book "Software at the Speed of Thought" very helpful. I'm not >> developing games but I found his book a great asset when learing >> scripting. >> >> Jeff From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Jan 3 14:04:14 2006 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:04:14 +0100 Subject: Game Source Information for Rev In-Reply-To: <20060103180008.EFB9C8249EB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi, thanks for mentioning arcadeEngine Jim. Kori, if you are getting started with Rev you might considder taking a look at the free eBook I wrote, that deals mostly with multimedia. Besides arcadeEngine tutorials you also find many Basics there and it is free. http://www.derbrill.de/tutorials_e.html Hope that helps, Malte -- ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum From acr at camalott.com Tue Jan 3 15:17:30 2006 From: acr at camalott.com (ACR) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:17:30 -0700 Subject: Game Source Information for Rev References: Message-ID: <001601c610a2$bd0ab620$4f262745@kori5kyitgg783> Thanks Malte. I will have a look. Kori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malte Brill" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Game Source Information for Rev > Hi, > > thanks for mentioning arcadeEngine Jim. > > Kori, if you are getting started with Rev you might considder taking a > look at the free eBook I wrote, that deals mostly with multimedia. > Besides arcadeEngine tutorials you also find many Basics there and it > is free. > > http://www.derbrill.de/tutorials_e.html > > Hope that helps, > > Malte > > -- > ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes > http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine > http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jan 3 14:48:48 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:48:48 -0800 Subject: data files for Rev Online? In-Reply-To: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: <173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Tuesday, January 3, 2006, 5:33:58 AM, you wrote: > Can I upload data files to my space on RevOnline? The *.rev files will go, I > know, but my little app has a couple of demo data files to go along with it. > I'd like to upload a package like the WikiRev zip file on > http://hytext.com/rev/ > Maybe I should write a stack that harbors the data files, and unpacks them > to the user's disk when run. Then I'd be uploading *.rev files only. You might try putting the data files into custom properties, then unpacking them on stack initialization. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jan 3 15:08:49 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:08:49 -0800 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <07687B4C-0EE9-4CC9-A2F9-05C74116D3D6@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> <07687B4C-0EE9-4CC9-A2F9-05C74116D3D6@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <34518747.20060103120849@ahsoftware.net> Dave- Tuesday, January 3, 2006, 1:02:42 AM, you wrote: > Unfortunately, I think someone could also add links in web pages to > stacks that read/delete your hard drive contents, install and launch > other apps, etc. Yes, that was my first thought as well. I'm quite uncomfortable with the idea of having web pages that launch executable programs. Does the mime type possibly launch DreamCard in secureMode? That would offer at least some protection. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From chipp at chipp.com Tue Jan 3 15:14:56 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:14:56 -0600 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BADB40.3040209@chipp.com> I do it for Windows on ButtonGadget through the registry, but there is a serious caveat: When you setup a MIME type for a document of any kind to download and autorun, it is up to the programmer to insure it is safe. In the case of ButtonGadget, I test each download with lock messages ON until I know it's one of my files. If I didn't, then someone could create a simple BG stack and wipe out someone's hard drive instantly. A very big security issue! -Chipp Ken Ray wrote: > On 1/2/06 11:21 PM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > > >>Hi Folks, >> >>this email is about a little nice hack I made today. Here I present >>the steps for making URLs like: >> >>x-dreamcard://www.mysweetserver/mySweetStack.rev > > > That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it on Windows? From soapdog at mac.com Tue Jan 3 15:25:08 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:25:08 -0200 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <34518747.20060103120849@ahsoftware.net> References: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> <07687B4C-0EE9-4CC9-A2F9-05C74116D3D6@lacscentre.co.uk> <34518747.20060103120849@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Dave- > > Tuesday, January 3, 2006, 1:02:42 AM, you wrote: > >> Unfortunately, I think someone could also add links in web pages to >> stacks that read/delete your hard drive contents, install and launch >> other apps, etc. > > Yes, that was my first thought as well. I'm quite uncomfortable with > the idea of having web pages that launch executable programs. Does the > mime type possibly launch DreamCard in secureMode? That would offer at > least some protection. > Well, yes... you can format the hard drive with some shell(). Since we code the AppleEvent handler we can set the secureMode on there and also, you can se the URL and not trust it. For example, if someone is setting this up for some local school educational resources, then the handler could only trust some given domain... And as Richard asked, I discovered a way to set everything programaticaly from inside a Revolution Stack. I found which plists to change, what to add and how to refresh LaunchServices after that, so anyone running a stack actually add such holes. It's easier than you think... I am not putting those scripts in the list, although I made some nice stack demoing the stuff. If someone with a usefull idea for this kind of solution needs this kind of scripts, just contact me off list and I will assist. This is the same way that apple lauchs applescript:// URLs (yes, one can launch applescripts... I do think they open in the editor instead of execute...) I was thinking more along the lines of easying the user experience, but it's a big security hole... not a hole because it's not a bug, this behaviour is akin to malware/trojan behaviour if used in a bad manner. The idea came to me after playing the Second Life Online Game... it's a very nice game and it register a secondlife:// protocol so that people can make pages and link to things inside the game... I thought how wonderfull.... cheers andre > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 3 15:30:48 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:30:48 +0100 Subject: data files for Rev Online? In-Reply-To: <173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> <173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com> Hello, Le 3 janv. 06 ? 20:48, Mark Wieder a ?crit : >> Can I upload data files to my space on RevOnline? The *.rev files >> will go, I >> know, but my little app has a couple of demo data files to go >> along with it. >> I'd like to upload a package like the WikiRev zip file on >> http://hytext.com/rev/ > >> Maybe I should write a stack that harbors the data files, and >> unpacks them >> to the user's disk when run. Then I'd be uploading *.rev files only. > > You might try putting the data files into custom properties, then > unpacking them on stack initialization. You are perfectly right Mark. The only problem is that a stack downloaded from Rev Online lives in RAM until the user chooses to save it... Then you have to handle if the user saves the stack, where, delete or keep the files, rely dynamically the files to the stack, etc. Of course, it's easily doable but it means a lot of additional work... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From jerry at hytext.com Tue Jan 3 15:32:35 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:32:35 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> <173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <000701c610a4$d8951e10$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> From: "Mark Wieder" > > You might try putting the data files into custom properties, then > unpacking them on stack initialization. Thanks, Mark. I'll do that. I'll want a separate stack though, for just that single purpose, that won't be needed for my zipped package. It'll be a good excuse to learn about customer properties... maybe some Base64 to blend graphics... a little XML.... a new career.... ---- Jerry Muelver From chipp at chipp.com Tue Jan 3 15:38:38 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:38:38 -0600 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <34518747.20060103120849@ahsoftware.net> References: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> <07687B4C-0EE9-4CC9-A2F9-05C74116D3D6@lacscentre.co.uk> <34518747.20060103120849@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <43BAE0CE.3050806@chipp.com> I've thought about this for sometime now. The way to do this is take a basic player, (like Ken Ray's StackRunner) let's call it WebRev and tie it to a server database which validates "good stacks" using a checksum. Then anyone who clicks a link on a webpage and downloads the .rev file (or other extension?) would get a notice (after comparing the stack name and checksum): This stack IS/IS NOT registered with the WebRev database. Continue at your own risk! Basically a poor man's certificate system. IMO, without such a system, either 1) products built using secureMode would be of little use; or 2) there would be too great a security danger. I'm just not a fan of securemode, especially if one is trying to create a real application which runs from the web. I believe certification is the best way to go, and I've stated that since the early days of Java and ActiveX. That's one thing MS got right. Then by adding auto-update capabilites to WebRev, one could keep it auto-updtaed easily. Then AJAX like apps could easily be run by just clicking a link on a webpage. Key point: WebRev should not be any kind of adware/spyware type of product. That would KILL it. -Chipp From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Jan 3 15:53:55 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:53:55 -0600 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <43BAE0CE.3050806@chipp.com> Message-ID: On 1/3/06 2:38 PM, "Chipp Walters" wrote: > I've thought about this for sometime now. > > The way to do this is take a basic player, (like Ken Ray's StackRunner) > let's call it WebRev and tie it to a server database which validates > "good stacks" using a checksum. Then anyone who clicks a link on a > webpage and downloads the .rev file (or other extension?) would get a > notice (after comparing the stack name and checksum): > > This stack IS/IS NOT registered with the WebRev database. Continue at > your own risk! Basically a poor man's certificate system. IMO, without > such a system, either 1) products built using secureMode would be of > little use; or 2) there would be too great a security danger. That's a great idea, Chipp! That's definitely something cool to run with... do you see StackRunner *only* running web-validated stacks, or also able to run locally executed stacks? The reason I ask is that currently StackRunner is designed in a way where a configuration file can tell it to automatically run a stack; there's nothing saying this couldn't be extended to support stacks at web URLs, with an additional feature being that it would check the WebRev database for a certificate. This way, SR could validate web-based stacks either accessed automatically when SR is 2x-clicked manually, as well as when it is launched due to a webrev: protocol. In general, do you see any problem with a dual/multi-purpose player app? > I'm just not a fan of securemode, especially if one is trying to create > a real application which runs from the web. I believe certification is > the best way to go, and I've stated that since the early days of Java > and ActiveX. That's one thing MS got right. Agreed - I'm not thrilled with secure mode either. > Then by adding auto-update capabilites to WebRev, one could keep it > auto-updtaed easily. Then AJAX like apps could easily be run by just > clicking a link on a webpage. Key point: WebRev should not be any kind > of adware/spyware type of product. That would KILL it. Amen, brother! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 16:04:28 2006 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:04:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Game Source Information for Rev In-Reply-To: <20060103180007.44FEE825002@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20060103210428.55534.qmail@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> on Tue, 3 Jan 2006 ACR wrote: > I recently bought my Revolution software. I am in > the process of making a small adventure game. It is > a point and click game, usually called a Myst clone. > I had to choose between Revolution and Director for > my game software. As I understand it, the first Myst > game was make with Hypercard (Revolution). Actually, Revolution is a superset of HyperCard, with more commands, functions and properties than HyperCard. You choose wisely. Welcome to the RunRev mail list! :-) by the way, Did you work in 3D graphics? > Since I am new to Revolution, I am lost in a sea of > Commands. I probably don't need to learn all of > them, probably only a few dozen Commands for my > game. Commands such as go to the next images, > start/stop background sound, start/stop music, start > a sprite, start/stop an animation, and so on and so > on. And I will need to make some puzzles which will > require Functions probably. You need to practice mainly with the following messages produced by user interaction: on mouseup on mouseenter on mousemove on mousedown For example, i suppose that you are going to create an image of a room, where the user clicks on diverse parts of the image to visit other rooms, move objects, play music, etc... in all these cases, you will be using the messages that i named before. > All I have found in user stacks so far are > applications. Are there an adventure game stacks I > could take apart and learn from? Are there any books > on the subject? Adventure game stacks, like Myst, are a type of "Click and Go" application. Click and go to a location or show an image, etc... These are easy to create in RunRev, but after you found how easy and fast it is, then you'll start to add complexity and it's then when "Click and Go" adventures becomes real interesting (like the production of all the animations, sound effects and music that interactive content requires). > I am starting from the beginning, so any information > source will help. First, Kori, define exactly how takes place the interaction in your game. The more detailed are these explanations, easier will be to post your questions and get useful answers: For example: How could i click in an image of a Door and animate it to show the door opening and showing the room inside? answers: 1- create an animated gif of the door, and control it by script. 2- create a series of png graphics and animate it with the method proposed by Malte Brill. 3- create a grid of images png or gif or jpg and animate it with the method enhanced by Abraham Wouter. Look for example this message thread in this page: slight delay in animated gif loop You can look for messages of this mail list from this page: Good luck and keep making questions! al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Jan 3 16:27:54 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:27:54 +0000 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: <43BAE0CE.3050806@chipp.com> References: <25C03AF7-560B-4295-BDD3-588F9C0F5B1D@mac.com> <43BA2076.7070106@fourthworld.com> <07687B4C-0EE9-4CC9-A2F9-05C74116D3D6@lacscentre.co.uk> <34518747.20060103120849@ahsoftware.net> <43BAE0CE.3050806@chipp.com> Message-ID: <9CB487FB-81F5-44F9-BAE2-92E0852E5B96@lacscentre.co.uk> On 3 Jan 2006, at 20:38, Chipp Walters wrote: > > I'm just not a fan of securemode, especially if one is trying to > create a real application which runs from the web. I agree with you there. It's limitations are pretty crushing. Your idea is interesting. But I'm not comfortable with the idea of registering "safe" stacks. And I'm also not sure how stacks can be determined as "safe". I see there being two types of "unsafe" stack: those with malicious intent and those which are just badly programmed. Both are capable of damage. So I'm still hoping for a way to prevent stacks from doing damage, but without the current secureMode limitations. One idea I've toyed with is to always run the "stackRunner/player" app in secureMode, but have a "helper app" which runs in parallel, and which is not in secure mode. The main app would communicate with the helper app over a socket using a private protocol. The helper app would perform a limited number of actions that secureMode prohibits. For example, write to a "cache" folder, launch a limited number of applications, run some predefined shell commands, etc. (I'm thinking of a variety of "stack runner" type apps that seve different purposes, so the "allowed" actions might vary among implemetations.) The main app would have an API which is open to other stacks and which would allow them to take advantage of the helper app. I believe the Dreamcard Player uses a helper app like this to store preferences, even when in secureMode. But I haven't looked into it in great detail. I'd be interested to hear from anyone that has tried to implement something like this. Right now it's only an idea in my head, and before having a go I'd appreciate any advice/warnings of possible pitfalls. Cheers Dave From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 16:37:38 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:37:38 -0800 Subject: SQL Statement on Multiple Lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ooops, correction below [ it does NOT detect special structures] : > On 1/3/06 7:18 AM, "Bill" wrote: >> the "\" (...) Can't be >> used to split a string. > > There is a very good reason for this convention: > This allows you to use any words you want in a text string and they will not > be confused with commands. Imagine wanting to use the word "repeat" in a > paragraph that the user will read, but the compiler said 'too, bad, it is a > reserved word'. And all the others = "it, for, when, put, end, while, > format, folder, file, into, ........" > > Basically, the compiler is digesting variables, assignments, repeat loops, > reserved words, etc, but *suspends* this while scanning a text string, > therefore, it does NOT detect special structures like end-of-command-line. > > HTH > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > On 1/3/06 7:18 AM, "Bill" wrote: > >> I always wondered why sometimes the "\" character didn't work. I thought it >> was me and I just started making extremely long lines in my code. Can't be >> used to split a string. Geez. I guess there is a complex reason for that >> related to hexadecimal inputs through the hyperspatial tuning of the >> dilithium crystal memory stacks or some such. >> >> >> On 1/2/06 4:41 PM, "Jim Ault" wrote: >> >>>> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. >>> The correct character is "\" >>> >>> Not sure what you are doing specifically, but remember, the "\" cannot be >>> used to split a string: >>> NO: >>> put "the lazy brown dog jumped \ >>> and bit the mailman" into neverHappened >>> >>> Yes, even in the multi-line message box: >>> put " the lazy mailman bit " & \ >>> "the brown dog" into newsAtSix >>> >>> >>> Jim Ault >>> Las Vegas >>> >>> On 1/2/06 12:34 PM, "Jeff Honken" wrote: >>> >>>> Is there any way to have a SQL statement on multiple lines. My code >>>> works great if the statement is all on one line but once I try to go to >>>> two lines it dies. I've tried using the / with no luck. Here's a very >>>> cut down version of what I'm trying: >>>> >>>> --> CONSTRUCT SQL >>>> put "CREATE TABLE Provider >>>> (ProvAutoNo INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ProvActive text)" into tSQL >>>> --> EXECUTE SQL >>>> put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tList >>>> >>>> The Provider table is actually very large. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription >>>> preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> | | | >> )_) )_) )_) >> )___))___))___)\ >> )____)____)_____)\\ >> _____|____|____|____\\\__ >> -------\ /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com >> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ >> ^^^^ ^^^ >> >> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190 >> fax: (787) 809-8426 >> >> Blue Water Maritime >> P.O. Box 91 >> Puerto Real, PR 00740 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry at hytext.com Tue Jan 3 16:59:20 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:59:20 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> <3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> From: "Eric Chatonet" You are perfectly right Mark. The only problem is that a stack downloaded from Rev Online lives in RAM until the user chooses to save it... Then you have to handle if the user saves the stack, where, delete or keep the files, rely dynamically the files to the stack, etc. Of course, it's easily doable but it means a lot of additional work... ------------------------------------- Gee, and it started out so simple.... Well, I built the stack, and will shortly be uploading them. My assumption is that anyone with access to RevOnline knows all about saving, where to save, and what to do with mystery (beta) *.rev files. I reckon I'll find out pretty quick if I got it right, or what to change if I got it wrong! ---- Jerry Muelver From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 3 17:06:07 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:06:07 +0100 Subject: data files for Rev Online? In-Reply-To: <000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> <3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com> <000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, LOL If you want to be kind enough to trust my little experience, think of newbies: if it's clear for them, it's clear for all :-) So :-( Le 3 janv. 06 ? 22:59, Jerry Muelver a ?crit : > From: "Eric Chatonet" You are perfectly right Mark. > The only problem is that a stack downloaded from Rev Online lives in > RAM until the user chooses to save it... > Then you have to handle if the user saves the stack, where, delete or > keep the files, rely dynamically the files to the stack, etc. > Of course, it's easily doable but it means a lot of additional work... > ------------------------------------- > > Gee, and it started out so simple.... > > Well, I built the stack, and will shortly be uploading them. My > assumption is that anyone with access to RevOnline knows all about > saving, where to save, and what to do with mystery (beta) *.rev > files. I reckon I'll find out pretty quick if I got it right, or > what to change if I got it wrong! Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 3 17:11:26 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:11:26 +0100 Subject: data files for Rev Online? In-Reply-To: References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net> <3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com> <000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: <75219F6E-C3E9-4F91-A9BE-5CC44C69A3A4@sosmartsoftware.com> Jerry, I was reading again my post. I hope you understood that my LOL was only about "Gee, and it started out so simple...." Le 3 janv. 06 ? 23:06, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > Hi Jerry, > > LOL > If you want to be kind enough to trust my little experience, think > of newbies: if it's clear for them, it's clear for all :-) > So :-( > > Le 3 janv. 06 ? 22:59, Jerry Muelver a ?crit : > >> From: "Eric Chatonet" You are perfectly right Mark. >> The only problem is that a stack downloaded from Rev Online lives in >> RAM until the user chooses to save it... >> Then you have to handle if the user saves the stack, where, delete or >> keep the files, rely dynamically the files to the stack, etc. >> Of course, it's easily doable but it means a lot of additional >> work... >> ------------------------------------- >> >> Gee, and it started out so simple.... >> >> Well, I built the stack, and will shortly be uploading them. My >> assumption is that anyone with access to RevOnline knows all about >> saving, where to save, and what to do with mystery (beta) *.rev >> files. I reckon I'll find out pretty quick if I got it right, or >> what to change if I got it wrong! > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From jazu at comcast.net Tue Jan 3 17:18:49 2006 From: jazu at comcast.net (James Z) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:18:49 -0800 Subject: Thread problem In-Reply-To: <20060103143359.90A7F824F9A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On 1/3/06 6:33 AM, "use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com" wrote: > From: Paul Claude > Subject: Thread problem > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have a little problem posting messages to this list. I've asked several > times for a solution to heather at runrev.com, but without any answer, so I > ask directly to you. > > I've made many posts to this list, but everytime my posts open a new thread, > I cannot continue an existing one. How can I post in a existing thread (I > use Microsoft Entourage X on a Mac)? > > Greetings > > PaulClaude I'm not sure I understand your problem, but if you highlight the text of the current thread it will place it in your response (as above), then you need to change the Subject text to match the thread subject. If this doesn't answer your question, try restating the question. James Z. From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Jan 3 17:19:24 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:19:24 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? In-Reply-To: <000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: On 1/3/06 3:59 PM, "Jerry Muelver" wrote: > Gee, and it started out so simple.... > > Well, I built the stack, and will shortly be uploading them. My assumption > is that anyone with access to RevOnline knows all about saving, where to > save, and what to do with mystery (beta) *.rev files. I reckon I'll find out > pretty quick if I got it right, or what to change if I got it wrong! You could always "fake it"... change the extensions of your other files to .rev, and then tell the user to change 'em back once they're downloaded... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From jerry at hytext.com Tue Jan 3 17:26:51 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:51 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net><3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com><000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> <75219F6E-C3E9-4F91-A9BE-5CC44C69A3A4@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <000f01c610b4$cf2ba6e0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Chatonet" > Jerry, > I was reading again my post. > I hope you understood that my LOL was only about "Gee, and it started out > so simple...." --------------------------------------- Oh! I thought you had already downloaded and played with the programs. I wondered how you could do that at the same time I was uploading, but I've seen some of your programming, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you could simply grab files off my hard drive if you really wanted to! Okay, the deed is done. My Revolution "Hello World" program suite is uploaded. Off-list email comments would be welcome! ---- Jerry Muelver From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Tue Jan 3 17:37:09 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:37:09 -0500 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > That's a great idea, Chipp! That's definitely something cool to run > with... > do you see StackRunner *only* running web-validated stacks, or also > able to > run locally executed stacks? The reason I ask is that currently > StackRunner > is designed in a way where a configuration file can tell it to > automatically > run a stack; there's nothing saying this couldn't be extended to > support For pity's sake don't take away SR's local-stack capability -- it's vital for us Dreamcard users. Charles From mlange at lexicall.org Tue Jan 3 17:52:48 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:52:48 +0000 Subject: please embed your code within ... surprise Thursday In-Reply-To: <20060101180004.2ABEE824F72@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060101180004.2ABEE824F72@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Dear all, May I ask all the regular contributors on this list to start to embed any piece of code within these tags : ... your xtalk/transcript/runrev code here.... As sometimes some shell, applescript or javascript get listed as well, you can generalize. Here are some of the recognized types: type="applescript" type="javascript" type="vbs" (visual basic script, in windows) type="shell" You will get what I hope to be an excellent surprise on Thursday. What immediately comes to mind is code colorization of your posts. Humm, I would say it's a lot better than that and this doesn't even doesn't require a move to forums for the persons set in their ways. In fact, it's even better than a forum solution. The persons who kindly volunteered to help out with the wiki can contact me, privately, for more details. Note that this has been discussed with the runrev team and they had time to get a view of the solution I propose and make objections or recommendations. Marielle PS. I take advantage of this to wish you all an happy New Year. From transcom at comcast.net Tue Jan 3 18:11:09 2006 From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:11:09 -0800 Subject: Asking about Rev and the Web-PHP? Message-ID: Can Rev work with PhP programming to serve up web pages? From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Tue Jan 3 18:14:19 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:19 -0500 Subject: data files for Rev Online? In-Reply-To: <000f01c610b4$cf2ba6e0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net><3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com><000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> <75219F6E-C3E9-4F91-A9BE-5CC44C69A3A4@sosmartsoftware.com> <000f01c610b4$cf2ba6e0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: Jerry, I don't know if I found a bug or 'feature' but see if it is. I downloaded the creator and viewer and loaded the sample stacks. They went into my revolution folder but I found them. I hit file in the viewer and opened the authoring wiki and saw the underlined text and started clicking on each link. Ok, well when I got to "menus and controls" I hit the text and nothing happened. The text turned red but the line under it stayed blue and it stayed on the previous content. So I hit others and most switched to content. But some did not. I captured a screen shot if you need to see it. If I click again or maybe double click then it would go to that pages content just fine. Is this a bug? Does anyone else see this? Tom On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Jerry Muelver wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Chatonet" > > >> Jerry, > >> I was reading again my post. >> I hope you understood that my LOL was only about "Gee, and it >> started out so simple...." > --------------------------------------- > > Oh! I thought you had already downloaded and played with the > programs. I wondered how you could do that at the same time I was > uploading, but I've seen some of your programming, so I wouldn't be > surprised to learn that you could simply grab files off my hard > drive if you really wanted to! > > Okay, the deed is done. My Revolution "Hello World" program suite > is uploaded. Off-list email comments would be welcome! > > ---- Jerry Muelver > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyrivermetalart.com Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear From transcom at comcast.net Tue Jan 3 18:19:07 2006 From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:19:07 -0800 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" Message-ID: Rather than dive into mySQL or altSQLite, (I am a Newbie), I was directed to look at Custom Property Sets in order to use the 'internal databse' of Revolution to store information. 1. Would I use a Table Field as the object to store at least 500 records? 2. What is the language in the Custom Property tab that I should use to 'create this internal database' structure. 3. Would I use a Table Field like a spreadsheet, creating a Table like in a traditional DB? Any direction or even an example, would be much appreciated. Thank you, Michael From jerry at hytext.com Tue Jan 3 18:23:27 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:23:27 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net><3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com><000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><75219F6E-C3E9-4F91-A9BE-5CC44C69A3A4@sosmartsoftware.com><000f01c610b4$cf2ba6e0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: <000901c610bc$b90c6090$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas McGrath III" Ok, well when I got to "menus and controls" I hit the text and nothing happened. The text turned red but the line under it stayed blue and it stayed on the previous content. So I hit others and most switched to content. But some did not. I captured a screen shot if you need to see it. If I click again or maybe double click then it would go to that pages content just fine. Is this a bug? Does anyone else see this? ----------------------------------- Thanks, Tom. Someone mentioned that to me before, but I couldn't replicate it. The double-click thing is weird, and might have to do with my "first-time effort" at scripting. I hope it's just that demo file. I'll run it on all platforms, and track the problem down. I appreciate your trying the program out! ---- Jerry Muelver From jerry at hytext.com Tue Jan 3 18:47:57 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:47:57 -0600 Subject: data files for Rev Online? References: <000301c6106a$63c8ce40$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><173317740.20060103114848@ahsoftware.net><3727C9A5-0E8F-4B97-909D-C5F077A8FE0F@sosmartsoftware.com><000501c610b0$f9df7e60$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3><75219F6E-C3E9-4F91-A9BE-5CC44C69A3A4@sosmartsoftware.com><000f01c610b4$cf2ba6e0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> Message-ID: <000201c610c0$23a021a0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> From: "Thomas McGrath III" > Ok, well when I got to "menus and controls" I hit the text and nothing > happened. The text turned red but the line under it stayed blue and it > stayed on the previous content. So I hit others and most switched to > content. But some did not. I captured a screen shot if you need to see > it. > If I click again or maybe double click then it would go to that pages content just fine. I think I've got it, Tom. Several links in authoring.wik had extraneous ... surrounding the ... for the link designation. The first click activated the U, the second triggered the A, I think. I rashly used ctrl-u for "Unlink", and the Rev environment apparently pasted an "underline" property in the HTML code when I was building that file. I don't see it happening with StackRunner on Linux, Win, or Mac, but I could see it pssibly happening with the Rev IDE on Win or Mac. I'll clean the demo files in a text editor, and repost them. Thanks, again! ---- Jerry From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Jan 3 19:14:20 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:14:20 -0600 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/3/06 4:37 PM, "Charles Hartman" wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > >> That's a great idea, Chipp! That's definitely something cool to run >> with... >> do you see StackRunner *only* running web-validated stacks, or also >> able to >> run locally executed stacks? The reason I ask is that currently >> StackRunner >> is designed in a way where a configuration file can tell it to >> automatically >> run a stack; there's nothing saying this couldn't be extended to >> support > > For pity's sake don't take away SR's local-stack capability -- it's > vital for us Dreamcard users. Oh, no... it wouldn't go away... I was only wondering whether there should be two apps (SR[local] and WebRev [web]) or one (SR/WebRev [local/web]). SR's local capabilities aren't going anywhere... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Jan 3 19:14:47 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:14:47 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP Message-ID: I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a few files is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with invisible .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to decompress on Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders over to Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around inside a ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? Other suggestions welcome. Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 19:18:29 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:18:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: OK to store images in a group? In-Reply-To: <4E0281E9-085C-4067-87E6-32A64C8FA4A7@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060104001829.66871.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK to store images in a group? --- Eric Chatonet wrote: > In order to be meticulous, you can store all > images in a stack or a > substack, or put them onto a specific card > dedicated to them. OK to store images in a group? group behavior has been described as different from cards or stacks, at times. thanks, Erik Hansen erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Jan 3 19:20:18 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:20:18 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... > > For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a few files > is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP > archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with invisible > .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to decompress on > Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders over to > Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. > > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, > some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? Or one step better, a way to tell the OS not to pollute transferred directories with that OS-specific crap? It wreaks havoc with all but a few MP3 players, and really should be something the user can control. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Jan 3 19:27:55 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:27:55 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A7A2EDB-3DF6-4E19-87EE-BC414DF50934@mangomultimedia.com> On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around > inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? The terminal can help you here. Open terminal and change to the directory you want to delete all .ds_store files from (including subdirectories). One way to do this is to type "cd " and then drag the folder from the finder. Type "return" and that will change the active directory of the terminal. Type this: find ./ -name ".DS_Store" -exec rm -f {} \; This should get rid of all the files. I use it all of the time. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From davis.phil at comcast.net Tue Jan 3 19:29:24 2006 From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:29:24 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> References: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> dot-file removal is one of my standard steps when creating a cross-platform CD. From what little I can tell, I assume those files are probably Mac resource forks that only show up on a platform that doesn't understand them (Windows). Is that the way you guys understand them? Phil Davis Richard Gaskin wrote: > Scott Rossi wrote: > >> I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... >> >> For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a few >> files >> is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP >> archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with >> invisible >> .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to >> decompress on >> Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders over to >> Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. >> >> Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around >> inside a >> ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, >> some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? > > > Or one step better, a way to tell the OS not to pollute transferred > directories with that OS-specific crap? > > It wreaks havoc with all but a few MP3 players, and really should be > something the user can control. > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Jan 3 19:30:55 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:30:55 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <0A7A2EDB-3DF6-4E19-87EE-BC414DF50934@mangomultimedia.com> References: <0A7A2EDB-3DF6-4E19-87EE-BC414DF50934@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <43BB173F.9000600@fourthworld.com> Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> >> Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around >> inside a >> ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? > > > The terminal can help you here. Open terminal and change to the > directory you want to delete all .ds_store files from (including > subdirectories). One way to do this is to type "cd " and then drag the > folder from the finder. Type "return" and that will change the active > directory of the terminal. > > Type this: > > find ./ -name ".DS_Store" -exec rm -f {} \; > > This should get rid of all the files. I use it all of the time. Is there a way to tell the OS to never copy any files starting with "." when copying to removable devices? Or is the lack of such a critical feature part of Apple's "buy our hardware or suffer" strategy? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Jan 3 19:32:45 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:32:45 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> References: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43BB17AD.60408@fourthworld.com> Phil Davis wrote: > dot-file removal is one of my standard steps when creating a > cross-platform CD. From what little I can tell, I assume those files are > probably Mac resource forks that only show up on a platform that doesn't > understand them (Windows). Is that the way you guys understand them? Yes, that appears to be the case. But it writes them for most files whether or not they have a resource fork, and of course directories have the Finder info stored in .DS_Store. I've written a utility to clean my MP3 player after I copy files, but it seems silly to have to do that just to accomodate Apple's insistence that the world be Mac-compatible. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 19:38:43 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:38:43 -0800 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Is there any Mac utility out there (details & full quote blow) Scott, this is definitely an annoyance that Apple has created with OSX. try this approach answer folder "" set the defaultfolder to it answer there is a file ".ds_store" delete file ".ds_store" answer there is a file ".ds_store" --now make a new folder there, and bingo.. another .ds_store file :-( Or you can go to Apple http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/findercleaner.ht ml FinderCleaner FinderCleaner cleans hidden files the Finder creates. These files can be annoying in mixed OS environments or they might even cause some deveices like MP3 player not to function correctly. Useful for USB sticks or MP3 players, for example. FinderCleaner cleans the following items: .DS_Store files Resource forks FBC files .Trashes FinderCleaner can also eject a volume in a clean way so no new mess is created by the Finder. What?s New in this Version - Added version check option - You can no longer enter an empty password and continue - General code optimization Apple is providing links to these applications as a courtesy, and makes no representations regarding the applications or any information related thereto. Any questions, complaints or claims regarding the applications must be directed to the appropriate software vendor. On 1/3/06 4:14 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... > > For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a few files > is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP > archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with invisible > .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to decompress on > Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders over to > Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. > > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, > some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? > > Other suggestions welcome. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jan 3 19:42:44 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:42:44 -0600 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <43BB17AD.60408@fourthworld.com> References: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> <43BB17AD.60408@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <43BB1A04.5060200@hyperactivesw.com> Richard Gaskin wrote: > Phil Davis wrote: > >> dot-file removal is one of my standard steps when creating a >> cross-platform CD. From what little I can tell, I assume those files >> are probably Mac resource forks that only show up on a platform that >> doesn't understand them (Windows). Is that the way you guys understand >> them? > > > Yes, that appears to be the case. But it writes them for most files > whether or not they have a resource fork, and of course directories have > the Finder info stored in .DS_Store. Actually, it stores Finder folder info such as icon sizes, display options, background color or picture, window size and location, etc. This is only useful for OS X. Many (if not most) .dmg images contain one of these files so that when the image mounts, the author's custom background will display. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From preid at reidit.co.uk Tue Jan 3 19:44:38 2006 From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:44:38 +0000 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott Try the free program "FinderCleaner" which is able to clean (remove!) the following: - .DS_Store files - Resource forks - FBC files - .Trashes Here's the description from the ReadMe: What is it? FinderCleaner is a small application that helps you when you share volumes or folders with Windows users (or any other OS for that matter), for example USB memory sticks. FinderCleaner deletes some files and folders invisible to Mac users but visible to Windows users so Windows users don't get stuck with annoying files that have no use to them. Mac users need not to worry about deleting these files because the volume will still work as usual. Note that you cannot move files to the trash on the selected volume after running this app until you eject and mount it again. You can still delete files but you will be warned that they will be deleted immediately. This app may also be of use when you have trouble with devices like mp3 players or mobile phones that have trouble with Mac OS specific files. What does it exactly do? FinderCleaner removes the following files and folders: .DS_Store .Trashes Resource forks. FBC files. Optionally FinderCleaner can eject the volume in a way where the above mentioned files will not be created on eject. Ejecting in the Finder will at least recreate some of the mess you just cleaned. You can download it from the usual places including: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/16996 Cheers Peter >I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... > >For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a few files >is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP >archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with invisible >.ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to decompress on >Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders over to >Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. > >Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around inside a >ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, >some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? > >Other suggestions welcome. > >Thanks & Regards, > >Scott Rossi >Creative Director >Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jan 3 19:45:26 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:45:26 -0600 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <43BB1A04.5060200@hyperactivesw.com> References: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> <43BB17AD.60408@fourthworld.com> <43BB1A04.5060200@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <43BB1AA6.8030007@hyperactivesw.com> I wrote: > Actually, it stores Finder folder info such as icon sizes, display > options, background color or picture, window size and location, etc. > This is only useful for OS X. Many (if not most) .dmg images contain one > of these files so that when the image mounts, the author's custom > background will display. > Never mind, I see you guys already know this and I'd misread the question. Forget me. I'm still groggy from the holidays. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 20:04:52 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:04:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: a revJournal article on splash screens? In-Reply-To: <43B1D701.2020306@chipp.com> Message-ID: <20060104010452.57789.qmail@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Chipp Walters wrote: > consider using the splashscreen approach > (It's all I ever use now). would anyone like to do a revJournal article on splash screens? thanks, Erik Hansen erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Tue Jan 3 20:07:37 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:07:37 -0500 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> References: <43BB14C2.2080003@fourthworld.com> <43BB16E4.7000502@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Phil Davis wrote: > dot-file removal is one of my standard steps when creating a cross- > platform CD. From what little I can tell, I assume those files are > probably Mac resource forks that only show up on a platform that > doesn't understand them (Windows). Is that the way you guys > understand them? Not (as I understand it) resource forks (which have to do with files; do we even still have them in OSX??), but artifacts of the Darwin filesystem. Charles From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jan 3 20:16:20 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:16:20 -0800 Subject: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15722969999.20060103171620@ahsoftware.net> Ken- Tuesday, January 3, 2006, 4:14:20 PM, you wrote: > Oh, no... it wouldn't go away... I was only wondering whether there should > be two apps (SR[local] and WebRev [web]) or one (SR/WebRev [local/web]). > SR's local capabilities aren't going anywhere... As much as I dislike secureMode, I would think the easiest way out of this for now would be to enable security when the app is coming directly from the web and not mess with it otherwise. This does, however, have the sticky side effect of leaving secureMode on until the next launch of the engine. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From tkuypers at pandora.be Tue Jan 3 20:21:20 2006 From: tkuypers at pandora.be (Ton Kuypers) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:21:20 +0100 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CE82CAF-C79F-4CD0-A972-E3AFBB498F7B@pandora.be> I use Stuffit to create SIT files for distribution to Macs and ZIP files for distribution to Windows users... And Stuffit has got an option NOT to copy these pesky hidden files... Works perfect, can advice it to anyone! Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com On 4-jan-06, at 01:14, Scott Rossi wrote: > I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... > > For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a > few files > is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP > archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with > invisible > .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to > decompress on > Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders > over to > Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. > > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around > inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even > better, > some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first > place? > From tkuypers at pandora.be Tue Jan 3 20:25:54 2006 From: tkuypers at pandora.be (Ton Kuypers) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:25:54 +0100 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <1CE82CAF-C79F-4CD0-A972-E3AFBB498F7B@pandora.be> References: <1CE82CAF-C79F-4CD0-A972-E3AFBB498F7B@pandora.be> Message-ID: <7ABC084C-B294-455A-B923-3E7AE9778B5A@pandora.be> Sorry... forgot to mention I'm using Stuffit Deluxe 9... In the preferences I can set "Ignore Finder desktop files", THAT prevents copying all invisible files into the ZIP. Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com On 4-jan-06, at 01:14, Scott Rossi wrote: > I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... > > For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a > few files > is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP > archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with > invisible > .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to > decompress on > Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders > over to > Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. > > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around > inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even > better, > some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first > place? From tominjapan at excite.com Tue Jan 3 20:34:49 2006 From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:34:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux CGI Message-ID: <20060104013449.650DCB6AD@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> I've learned that my hosting service is using Linux 1.1.3 I've asked about the libC (as per Andre's suggestion), no word yet. I downloaded the Linux distro (linux.tgz), unstuffed and uploaded the engine (revolution.x86) to my cgi-bin. Renamed it "revolution" and changed the permissions to 755 (and later, 555). Still no good. any thoughts? tm _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 20:46:18 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:46:18 -0800 Subject: Asking about Rev and the Web-PHP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70ed6b130601031746p7222d84ak6a9a3210a1345cd8@mail.gmail.com> Michael..... Yep, it sure can. You can code PHP Web pages and then use the usual Rev techniques for retrieving those pages through the PHP templates and gather results into Rev variables. The resident guru on this topic (as with so many others) is Chipp Walters, who will undoubtedly chime in here with more specifics. On 1/3/06, Michael Mandaville wrote: > Can Rev work with PhP programming to serve up web pages? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 21:04:04 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:04:04 -0800 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70ed6b130601031804o588a6e03y7bee43004105d59c@mail.gmail.com> Michael..... There are two basic approaches to storing data *internally* in your Rev applications. You can use custom property sets (I have an eBook tutorial on how to design and use custom properties and sets for $5 at http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html) or you can use fields (and other Rev controls) in the stack itself. One thing you need to be aware of is that if you expect to distribute your application as a compiled stand-alone, you'll need to use at least two stacks: a mainstack that acts as a splasher or some other non-data-saving role, and a substack where the custom properties or fields are defined and where the data is stored. I'm generally inclined when faced with this decision to use Rev as a database (you should know that there is a LOT of disagreement with this preference, so don't be surprised to get contradictory advice from other Rev coders here). You create a splasher or control stack or whatever as your mainstack (whose data is static) and then create one or more substacks to hold the data. In the data substack, create fields (and perhaps other objects, e.g., checkboxes or radio button sets to store binary or mulitple-choice data), group those controls into a group, then give that group background behavior. Using Rev this way works quite well for databases that don't involve complex relationality and don't expect to contain more than perhaps 10,000 records. (The number of records you can handle with efficiency is a function of how much of what kind of data is in each record/card.) My book on Revolution (also available in PDF from the above URL) has a chapter on this subject. There's nothing wrong with custom property sets. In fat, in some ways they work similarly to the card-datastack approach I just outlined. But programming them is a *tad* more complex. Particiularly if you're storing binary data (images, PDFs, etc.), you'll probably find the datastack design approach more effective and easier to understand. (If you want to get a good view of how using custom props for this kind of task would look and work, you can download a free stack from RevOnline. Activate it from the toolbar, click on "User Spaces" in the left scrolling field, and then scroll down to sms in the user name list. On 1/3/06, Michael Mandaville wrote: > Rather than dive into mySQL or altSQLite, (I am a Newbie), I was directed to > look at Custom Property Sets in order to use the 'internal databse' of > Revolution to store information. > > 1. Would I use a Table Field as the object to store at least 500 records? > > 2. What is the language in the Custom Property tab that I should use to > 'create this internal database' structure. > > 3. Would I use a Table Field like a spreadsheet, creating a Table like in a > traditional DB? > > Any direction or even an example, would be much appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Michael -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 21:39:39 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:39:39 +1000 Subject: a revJournal article on splash screens? In-Reply-To: <20060104010452.57789.qmail@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43B1D701.2020306@chipp.com> <20060104010452.57789.qmail@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > consider using the splashscreen approach > > (It's all I ever use now). > > would anyone like to do > a revJournal article on splash screens? > Hi Erik, I wrote one a while ago about saving data in standalones. It included discussion about the splash screen method. Cheers, Sarah From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be Tue Jan 3 22:12:00 2006 From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:12:00 +0100 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: <1CE82CAF-C79F-4CD0-A972-E3AFBB498F7B@pandora.be> References: <1CE82CAF-C79F-4CD0-A972-E3AFBB498F7B@pandora.be> Message-ID: <19F6639D-0F65-4E5F-AD5B-8B6659FF0630@scarlet.be> Or use CleanArchiver, which is freeware and can compress to the following formats: gzip bzip2 zip DiskImage Stuffit StuffitX Greetings, Wouter On 04 Jan 2006, at 02:21, Ton Kuypers wrote: > I use Stuffit to create SIT files for distribution to Macs and ZIP > files for distribution to Windows users... And Stuffit has got an > option NOT to copy these pesky hidden files... > Works perfect, can advice it to anyone! > > > Warm regards, > > > Ton Kuypers > Digital Media Partners bvba > Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 > Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 > http://www.dmp-int.com > > > > On 4-jan-06, at 01:14, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... >> >> For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a >> few files >> is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP >> archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with >> invisible >> .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to >> decompress on >> Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders >> over to >> Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. >> >> Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around >> inside a >> ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even >> better, >> some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first >> place? >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Tue Jan 3 22:51:50 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:51:50 -0600 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BB4656.1090602@chipp.com> Scott, I have a plugin for MacOSX users which will display all invisible files in a folder and you can also choose to make them visible. From there it's an easy step to remove them. Plugin named: altFileMgr Type in the MSG box: go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/revAltFileMgr.rev" best, Chipp Scott Rossi wrote: > I've been plagued by this enough that I thought I would ask... > > For me, creating simple ZIP archives on Mac systems that contain a few files > is usually straightforward. However, I often find that when the ZIP > archives starts to contain nested subfolders, I often wind up with invisible > .ds_store files that corrupt the archive when it comes time to decompress on > Windows systems. The only recourse seems to be to move folders over to > Windows, delete any .ds_store files, and compress there. > > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, > some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Jan 3 23:17:31 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:17:31 -0800 Subject: Standalone deployment Message-ID: <43BB4C5B.5040906@comcast.net> I'm getting ready to deploy my first serious Rev application and I'm trying to decide on how to deploy/sell it. Should I have a purchase-only scenario, using a service such as Kagi (I've also set up a number of Miva stores) or, should I have some kind of crippled version that requires the presence of some kind of license stack for full functionality? Or??? Anyone had any experiece with trying different methods and found one that seemed to improve sales? I want something streamlined and reasonably fraud-resistant. It won't be a real expensive program - probably $40-50 range. Any thoughs are appreciated, Marty Knapp From smcarrick at cox.net Wed Jan 4 00:07:40 2006 From: smcarrick at cox.net (Sean Michael Carrick) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:07:40 -0700 Subject: Standalone deployment In-Reply-To: <43BB4C5B.5040906@comcast.net> References: <43BB4C5B.5040906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1136351260.7828.6.camel@hal.carricknet.net> I don't know what kind of business you are in, but have you ever thought of releasing your program under the GNU Public License? If you were to release it under Open Source, you could then sell support of the software instead of the software itself. Also, other programmers around the Internet would be able to look at your code and maybe help you take your application in directions that you didn't think of on your own. Just a thought. Sean On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 20:17 -0800, Marty Knapp wrote: > I'm getting ready to deploy my first serious Rev application and I'm > trying to decide on how to deploy/sell it. Should I have a purchase-only > scenario, using a service such as Kagi (I've also set up a number of > Miva stores) or, should I have some kind of crippled version that > requires the presence of some kind of license stack for full > functionality? Or??? Anyone had any experiece with trying different > methods and found one that seemed to improve sales? I want something > streamlined and reasonably fraud-resistant. It won't be a real expensive > program - probably $40-50 range. > > Any thoughs are appreciated, > > > Marty Knapp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From smcarrick at cox.net Wed Jan 4 00:11:20 2006 From: smcarrick at cox.net (Sean Michael Carrick) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:11:20 -0700 Subject: Linux CGI In-Reply-To: <20060104013449.650DCB6AD@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060104013449.650DCB6AD@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <1136351480.7828.9.camel@hal.carricknet.net> Does anyone out there no how to make the widgets in Rev use the KDE theme(s) that users of the application may have in place? Any ideas on this are most welcome. Thanks in advance. Sean From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 4 00:25:45 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:25:45 -0600 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/3/06 6:14 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > Is there any Mac utility out there that allows one to poke around inside a > ZIP archive to delete these extraneous .ds_store files? Or even better, > some way to tell Stuffit to ignore/delete these files in the first place? I ran into the same problem and bought Stuffit so I could use DropZip... this creates a "clean" zip file, which I use whenever I know the other user may or may not have OS X. It's served me well... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Jan 4 01:08:04 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:08:04 +0100 Subject: OK to store images in a group? In-Reply-To: <20060104001829.66871.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060104001829.66871.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Erik, Yes. all is possible but some ways of doing are more convenient than others. Storing images in a group (or multiple groups according to the kind of images: tool bar icons, cursors,etc.) allows you to find them again more easily in the application browser (view by layer) but don't make it easy to see them, insert new images into a specific group, etc. In addition, often you will move these groups out of the card window :-) As you can *call* any image using its ID (to make it a button icon for instance) wherever it is located (it's the reason why many posts here and tools (by Xavier and others) have been dedicated to talk about/solve conflict issues), one easy way is to use a dedicated substack: no additional card in your main stack that might involve special navigation handling... Finally, see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/database where programmers can reserve IDs ranges for IDE projects released for the community in order to avoid the above conflicts :-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 4 janv. 06 ? 01:18, Erik Hansen a ?crit : > > OK to store images in a group? > --- Eric Chatonet > wrote: > >> In order to be meticulous, you can store all >> images in a stack or a >> substack, or put them onto a specific card >> dedicated to them. > > OK to store images in a group? > > group behavior has been described as > different from cards or stacks, > at times. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no Wed Jan 4 03:15:11 2006 From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:15:11 +0100 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BB840F.1070802@roman.uib.no> Michael Mandaville skrev: > Rather than dive into mySQL or altSQLite, (I am a Newbie), I was directed to > look at Custom Property Sets in order to use the 'internal databse' of > Revolution to store information. Have a look at my stack CustPropDatabase on RevOnline, under username "sms". Maybe that will be of help. Signe Marie Sanne 1. amanuensis/Senior lecturer Romansk institutt Tlf. +47 55 58 21 27 ?isteins gt. 1 Epost: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no Universitetet i Bergen http://www.hf.uib.no/mlab/Info/sms.html From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 4 04:57:43 2006 From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:57:43 -0500 Subject: Problem running rev 2.2.1 on Windows XP Message-ID: <8F085736-197F-4BA2-89F2-49B628A6091F@sbcglobal.net> Greetings All, I am developing a program using rev 2.2.1. It runs fine on my Mac, and it runs OK if I run it from the desktop on my 2 Windows XP laptops. However, when I try to move the file into a folder in the Program File Folder, the program opens very slowly and then crashes the whole system. The only way I can recover is to restart the computers. Has anybody else had a problem like this? Thanks John Miller From christian.langers at education.lu Wed Jan 4 04:59:03 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:59:03 +0100 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48831F01-765B-4233-9DB7-2A192CBECDDD@education.lu> Hello Revers, I just wanted to tell you, inspired by this topic, that I just uploaded a little plugin that will do the job... It's called "Free us" and it's in the "Utilities"-categorie of revOnline... It will erase those "nasty" .DS_Files and even, if you wish, zip this cleaned folder... Just drag and drop.... Enjoy, Christian L. Luxembourg From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 4 05:01:20 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:01:20 +1100 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c61115$d1f222d0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Michael, > Rather than dive into mySQL or altSQLite, (I am a Newbie), I > was directed to look at Custom Property Sets in order to use > the 'internal databse' of Revolution to store information. Are you a Rev newbie or a programming newbie? I ask because if the former altSQLite is really a good mix. The demo Altuit supply (written by Chipp) shows you much of what needs doing, but I also made a little stack and passed it on to Chipp that shows you how to do some other stuff not covered in the tutor (like loading fields with data from the database and synching them to a table field so you can scroll the dataset and keep the fields updated). The stack also shows how to do data entry type work with AltSQLite such as inserting data from a field(s), editing data using fields etc. Check with Chipp if you want a copy. I can't supply one direct because I only have a user code and not Altuit demo code to operate the sample stack. Scott From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Wed Jan 4 05:01:34 2006 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:01:34 +0100 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <2ABD0820-19DE-4D43-BBC3-CA6C186EB061@mac.com> Looking for PC Expert Help, Working on Mac I'm developing an application I'd like to work on both sides of the frontier. I do most of my test using "Virtual PC". As far as "Controls" are concerned I'm fine. I began to use the Keyboard to enter data and got into trouble: the keyboard was working as "QWERTY" KB although mine was an "AZERTY" As I didn't find any explanation I installed Rev 1.6.1 on a true XP machine and got the same trouble: Revolution itself when scripting was considering the KeyBoard as "Qwerty" although it was not. Look for this into "Revolution Preference", then into XP Keyboard set up and found nothing. Can somebody tell me where I should go to use my Azerty KeyBoard ? Many thanks Pierre From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Jan 4 05:11:41 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:11:41 +0100 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <2ABD0820-19DE-4D43-BBC3-CA6C186EB061@mac.com> Message-ID: Rev shouldn't have anything to do regarding what keyboard is in use. The only place where that can be set is in your PC's control panel (or the taskbar icon if you have one). Note that Rev will not see the keyboard change so you need to quit and start over to see it changed. cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/01/2006 11:01:34: > Looking for PC Expert Help, > > Working on Mac I'm developing an application I'd like to work on both > sides of the frontier. > > I do most of my test using "Virtual PC". > > As far as "Controls" are concerned I'm fine. > > I began to use the Keyboard to enter data and got into trouble: the > keyboard was working as "QWERTY" KB although mine was an "AZERTY" > > As I didn't find any explanation I installed Rev 1.6.1 on a true XP > machine and got the same trouble: > > Revolution itself when scripting was considering the KeyBoard as > "Qwerty" although it was not. > > Look for this into "Revolution Preference", then into XP Keyboard set > up and found nothing. > > Can somebody tell me where I should go to use my Azerty KeyBoard ? > > Many thanks > > Pierre > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ----------------------------------------- To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. 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END OF DISCLAIMER From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 4 05:16:55 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:16:55 +1100 Subject: Standalone deployment In-Reply-To: <43BB4C5B.5040906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000101c61118$0260e670$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Marty, > I'm getting ready to deploy my first serious Rev application and I'm > trying to decide on how to deploy/sell it. Should I have a > purchase-only > scenario, using a service such as Kagi (I've also set up a number of > Miva stores) or, should I have some kind of crippled version that > requires the presence of some kind of license stack for full > functionality? Or??? Anyone had any experiece with trying different > methods and found one that seemed to improve sales? I want something > streamlined and reasonably fraud-resistant. It won't be a > real expensive > program - probably $40-50 range. > > Any thoughs are appreciated, I'm the moderator of comp.software.shareware.* The group comp.software.shareware.authors is a good place to get some answers to this. As is AISIP (http://www.aisip.com only $29.99 a year) or the ASP (http://www.aspshareware.org which is dearer at $99 a year). I was Vice President and a Board Director several years ago - but I favour AISIP now because it is extremely pleasant (atmosphere) and is moderated by a very nice lady. There are several licensing models available. For my Borland Delphi software I use Armadillo (http://www.siliconrealms.com) or ASProtect (http://www.asprotect.com ) Neither of these tools will work with Rev and of course they are Windows only tools. The design of compiled stack in Rev leaves a lot of information in ASCII text in the executable (on Windows anyway) which make hacking rather obvious (sadly). I personally would recommend reduced functionality for the demo version (it would be nice if Rev did conditional compiles) coupled with a 30 day time limit. Both can be overcome unless you do the crippling so that there are no options available in the compiled version of your stack - a separate version of your software in other words. One day I'll get Lazarus running on OSX and will be able to translate my Object Pascal to library files that can be called on OSX, Windows and *nix - but that won't happen anytime soon as configuring Lazarus on OSX is a nightmare I have not concluded. Scott From christian.langers at education.lu Wed Jan 4 06:10:06 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:10:06 +0100 Subject: New plugin uploaded - OS X only Message-ID: <6B1715E0-3DD4-48D4-8920-9F3888390D3F@education.lu> Hello Revers, I just wanted to tell you (inspired by the topic of .DS_Store files) that I just uploaded a little plugin that will do the job... It's called "Free us" and it's in the "Utilities"-categorie of revOnline... It will erase those "nasty" .DS_Files and even, if you wish, zip this cleaned folder... Just drag and drop.... Enjoy, Christian L. Luxembourg From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 4 06:14:12 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:14:12 +0100 Subject: New plugin uploaded - OS X only In-Reply-To: <6B1715E0-3DD4-48D4-8920-9F3888390D3F@education.lu> References: <6B1715E0-3DD4-48D4-8920-9F3888390D3F@education.lu> Message-ID: Hi Christian, > Hello Revers, > > I just wanted to tell you (inspired by the topic of .DS_Store > files) that I just uploaded a little plugin that will do the job... > It's called "Free us" and it's in the "Utilities"-categorie of > revOnline... > It will erase those "nasty" .DS_Files and even, if you wish, zip > this cleaned folder... > > Just drag and drop.... very cool and very handy, thanks a lot! :-) > Enjoy, > > > Christian L. > Luxembourg Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 4 07:44:28 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:44:28 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) Message-ID: > Eric Chatonet > Images are the only objects the IDs of which can be changed: > Just change the IDs of some images to avoid any conflict :-) > And keep on hand the IDs list :-) > > In order to be meticulous, you can store all images in a stack or a > substack, or put them onto a specific card dedicated to them. Right, Eric, it's a Columbus egg, but you must consider that I cannot change those Ids and that stack X2 and X3 are not mine and they are changing often. So I need another solution. > Rob Cozens CCW > Try: > > start using stack "x3" > lock screen > repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons > set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x) > end repeat > unlock screen > > or going to another card in stack "x1". > Well Rob, I really doesn't understand what you means. It's not a problem of sceen redrawing, the problem is that, as explained in my example, I cannot load (with the expression 'set the icon of btn x to...') the image in stack X3 if an image with the same ID is in stack X2, and I don't know how solve this problem. Greetings Paul Claude P.S. Is there anybody that can tell me how to append my messages to this list to an existing thread, without beginning each time a new thread (I use entourage X)? From mlange at lexicall.org Wed Jan 4 07:51:41 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:51:41 +0000 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: <20060104091632.077C98253B0@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060104091632.077C98253B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <94E81040-6BFC-4BCF-B7B3-4060FC59A475@lexicall.org> Hi Scott, About SQLite, another demo stack on sqlite has just been added to the education gallery: (under SQLite, middle of the page). Of interest to anybody who already knows a little about MySQL syntax. It's not as elaborate as Chipp's one but it's free and open source. It presents an interface very similar to the one found in phpMyAdmin (which let you manage your mysql databases from your webserver) and let you enter sql queries. Some help file is provided as well. Ideal for the ones who want to learn MySQL syntax but are not comfortable about doing it on a server. Marielle > Hi Michael, > > > >> Rather than dive into mySQL or altSQLite, (I am a Newbie), I >> was directed to look at Custom Property Sets in order to use >> the 'internal databse' of Revolution to store information. >> > > Are you a Rev newbie or a programming newbie? I ask because if > the former altSQLite is really a good mix. The demo Altuit > supply (written by Chipp) shows you much of what needs doing, > but I also made a little stack and passed it on to Chipp > that shows you how to do some other stuff not covered in the > tutor (like loading fields with data from the database and > synching them to a table field so you can scroll the dataset > and keep the fields updated). The stack also shows how to do > data entry type work with AltSQLite such as inserting data from > a field(s), editing data using fields etc. Check with Chipp > if you want a copy. I can't supply one direct because I only > have a user code and not Altuit demo code to operate the sample > stack. > > Scott > From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 4 08:02:12 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:02:12 +0100 Subject: Thread problem Message-ID: > I'm not sure I understand your problem, but if you highlight the text of > the current thread it will place it in your response (as above), then you > need to change the Subject text to match the thread subject. > > If this doesn't answer your question, try restating the question. > > James Z. Your answer has open a new thread in the http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-January/ (that I use in Firefox to browse and post in the list). When I click on your name, I got the same result, as my email client (entourage X) open a new message window with the right thread title but open always a new thread on the list. From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Jan 4 08:04:42 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:04:42 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8242A064-2D7F-46B0-B73D-D5886E20B45D@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Paul, Well :-) Sorry if I misunderstood. You could try this tested workaround: on SetImage pID local tFlag ------ if there is an image ID pID then set the ID of image ID pID to 250000 put true into tFlag end if put image ID pID of stack "X3" into image "Template" -- or what you want :-) if tFlag then set the ID of image ID 250000 to pID end SetImage Le 4 janv. 06 ? 13:44, Paul Claude a ?crit : >> Eric Chatonet >> Images are the only objects the IDs of which can be changed: >> Just change the IDs of some images to avoid any conflict :-) >> And keep on hand the IDs list :-) >> >> In order to be meticulous, you can store all images in a stack or a >> substack, or put them onto a specific card dedicated to them. > > Right, Eric, it's a Columbus egg, but you must consider that I > cannot change > those Ids and that stack X2 and X3 are not mine and they are > changing often. > So I need another solution. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From bvg at mac.com Wed Jan 4 08:11:15 2006 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:11:15 +0100 Subject: Linux CGI In-Reply-To: <20060104013449.650DCB6AD@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060104013449.650DCB6AD@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: I think you can't just rip the engine out of the distribution. Try the newest engine at the ftp server from rev: ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/engines/2.0/cgi/ On Jan 04 2006, at 02:34, Thomas McCarthy wrote: > > I've learned that my hosting service is using Linux 1.1.3 > I've asked about the libC (as per Andre's suggestion), no word yet. > > I downloaded the Linux distro (linux.tgz), unstuffed and uploaded the > engine (revolution.x86) to my cgi-bin. Renamed it "revolution" and > changed the permissions to 755 (and later, 555). Still no good. > > any thoughts? > tm > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Jan 4 08:19:32 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:19:32 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: <8242A064-2D7F-46B0-B73D-D5886E20B45D@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <8242A064-2D7F-46B0-B73D-D5886E20B45D@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <7955D14D-FD32-4AF4-A84B-120F2BAE0C19@sosmartsoftware.com> I made things far too much complicated :-) put image ID of stack "x3" into image is enough ;-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 4 janv. 06 ? 14:04, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > Hi Paul, > > Well :-) > Sorry if I misunderstood. > You could try this tested workaround: > > on SetImage pID > local tFlag > ------ > if there is an image ID pID then > set the ID of image ID pID to 250000 > put true into tFlag > end if > put image ID pID of stack "X3" into image "Template" > -- or what you want :-) > if tFlag then set the ID of image ID 250000 to pID > end SetImage > > Le 4 janv. 06 ? 13:44, Paul Claude a ?crit : > >>> Eric Chatonet >>> Images are the only objects the IDs of which can be changed: >>> Just change the IDs of some images to avoid any conflict :-) >>> And keep on hand the IDs list :-) >>> >>> In order to be meticulous, you can store all images in a stack or a >>> substack, or put them onto a specific card dedicated to them. >> >> Right, Eric, it's a Columbus egg, but you must consider that I >> cannot change >> those Ids and that stack X2 and X3 are not mine and they are >> changing often. >> So I need another solution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 4 08:34:32 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:34:32 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) Message-ID: > Well :-) > Sorry if I misunderstood. > You could try this tested workaround: > > on SetImage pID > local tFlag > ------ > if there is an image ID pID then > set the ID of image ID pID to 250000 > put true into tFlag > end if > put image ID pID of stack "X3" into image "Template" > -- or what you want :-) > if tFlag then set the ID of image ID 250000 to pID > end SetImage > Thanks, Eric, this surely works; I only was searching for a tip to avoid the change (also if temporary) of the source image ID, as I can have many stacks opened and many images to load together, but I am beginning to think that it does not exist :-( Thanks again Paul Claude From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 4 08:40:25 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:40:25 -0600 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/4/06 7:34 AM, "Paul Claude" wrote: > Thanks, Eric, this surely works; I only was searching for a tip to avoid the > change (also if temporary) of the source image ID, as I can have many stacks > opened and many images to load together, but I am beginning to think that it > does not exist :-( Unfortunately, you're right, Paul. If you have two images with the same ID open at the same time, you can't assign an icon to a button by ID and be able to clearly pick which one you want. So you either need to renumber the IDs (temporarily), or only open one stack at a time and make sure the destroyStack property is turned on so that it is purged from memory when it closes. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 4 08:42:49 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:42:49 -0600 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/4/06 6:44 AM, "Paul Claude" wrote: > P.S. Is there anybody that can tell me how to append my messages to this > list to an existing thread, without beginning each time a new thread (I use > entourage X)? Well, I use Entourage 2004, and if you're talking about how to keep things together when you choose "Arrange By Subject" (or the equivalent) to keep things sorted by conversation topic, you should be able to simply reply to each email, and so long as the subject line stays the same, or has "Re: " in front of the subject, they should be grouped together properly in the same thread. Or am I missing something? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 4 08:44:02 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:44:02 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) Message-ID: > I made things far too much complicated :-) > > put image ID of stack "x3" into image is enough ;-) > Eric, the problem was another: set the icon of btn x of stack X1 to (image ID of stack "x3") doesn't works if also in stack X2 there is an image with the same ID: Revoultion loads the image of X2 in place of the one of X3, also if these images have differents names. > Unfortunately, you're right, Paul. If you have two images with the same ID > open at the same time, you can't assign an icon to a button by ID and be > able to clearly pick which one you want. So you either need to renumber the > IDs (temporarily), or only open one stack at a time and make sure the > destroyStack property is turned on so that it is purged from memory when it > closes. > Thanks, Ken, now I can surrender... From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 4 08:47:20 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:47:20 -0600 Subject: Thread problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/4/06 7:02 AM, "Paul Claude" wrote: >> I'm not sure I understand your problem, but if you highlight the text of >> the current thread it will place it in your response (as above), then you >> need to change the Subject text to match the thread subject. >> >> If this doesn't answer your question, try restating the question. >> >> James Z. > > Your answer has open a new thread in the > http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-January/ (that I use in > Firefox to browse and post in the list). When I click on your name, I got > the same result, as my email client (entourage X) open a new message window > with the right thread title but open always a new thread on the list. Is there any reason you don't just ask to receive the mailing list as emails to Entourage instead of using Firefox? I do this and have the emails filtered to go to a specific folder I've created in Entourage, and then set the view of the messages to group by conversation - which effectively gives me a threaded view of the emails. If you were able to do this, you can just reply to specific messages and they would stay in the same thread when seen through Firefox... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Jan 4 08:51:28 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:51:28 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8218F161-59FA-4E6D-BDB7-676C6C9E624B@sosmartsoftware.com> Then use the previous script a bit modified: on SetImage pID,pButton,pStackName local tFlag ------ set the cantAbort of this stack to true if there is an image ID pID of stack pStackName then set the ID of image ID pID of stack pStackName to 250000 put true into tFlag end if set the icon of btn pButton to image ID 250000 of stack pStackName -- or what you want :-) if tFlag then set the ID of image ID 250000 of stack pStackName to pID set the cantAbort of this stack to false end SetImage As Ken told you too and as far as I know, you have not another solution. Le 4 janv. 06 ? 14:44, Paul Claude a ?crit : >> I made things far too much complicated :-) >> >> put image ID of stack "x3" into image is enough ;-) >> > > Eric, the problem was another: > > set the icon of btn x of stack X1 to (image ID of stack "x3") > > doesn't works if also in stack X2 there is an image with the same ID: > Revoultion loads the image of X2 in place of the one of X3, also if > these > images have differents names. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Jan 4 08:53:09 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:53:09 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: <8218F161-59FA-4E6D-BDB7-676C6C9E624B@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <8218F161-59FA-4E6D-BDB7-676C6C9E624B@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <40032597-0FDC-469C-9551-3D88836F8A4A@sosmartsoftware.com> Sorry: you will have rectified: set the icon of btn pButton to 250000 Le 4 janv. 06 ? 14:51, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > Then use the previous script a bit modified: > > on SetImage pID,pButton,pStackName > local tFlag > ------ > set the cantAbort of this stack to true > if there is an image ID pID of stack pStackName then > set the ID of image ID pID of stack pStackName to 250000 > put true into tFlag > end if > set the icon of btn pButton to image ID 250000 of stack pStackName > -- or what you want :-) > if tFlag then set the ID of image ID 250000 of stack pStackName > to pID > set the cantAbort of this stack to false > end SetImage > > As Ken told you too and as far as I know, you have not another > solution. > > Le 4 janv. 06 ? 14:44, Paul Claude a ?crit : > >>> I made things far too much complicated :-) >>> >>> put image ID of stack "x3" into image is >>> enough ;-) >>> >> >> Eric, the problem was another: >> >> set the icon of btn x of stack X1 to (image ID of stack "x3") >> >> doesn't works if also in stack X2 there is an image with the same ID: >> Revoultion loads the image of X2 in place of the one of X3, also >> if these >> images have differents names. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 4 09:06:57 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:06:57 +0100 Subject: Thread problem Message-ID: > Is there any reason you don't just ask to receive the mailing list as emails > to Entourage instead of using Firefox? I do this and have the emails > filtered to go to a specific folder I've created in Entourage, and then set > the view of the messages to group by conversation - which effectively gives > me a threaded view of the emails. If you were able to do this, you can just > reply to specific messages and they would stay in the same thread when seen > through Firefox... I was using FireFox to not fill my Entourage file with hundred of emails, as I use it for my work and I have already multiple 'heavy' accounts. But I think yours is the only solution. Thanks. From mlange at lexicall.org Wed Jan 4 09:56:23 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:56:23 +0000 Subject: Forums & off topic posts Message-ID: <9BECDA4D-3511-4C31-BD4F-B686E9FFF035@lexicall.org> On 15 December 2005 9:54:31 PM, "Lynch, Jonathan" wrote: > Heh... > > I guess they are listening... > Thanks Kevin. I bet they are... thanks to my location in Edinburgh I even got to meet Kevin and Mark in person. I got to see the nice and pleasant office where everything happens. The focus of the discussion was on education projects (how to get runrev more widespread in the education community). There was some ambiguity some months ago that were in great part due to Ro Nagey health problems. He had had heart surgery at the time and despite his high commitment to the cause, he couldn't attend to the education community as much as he would have wanted to. I am glad to say that it was clear from the meeting I had last week that they have been listening to many things said on the list, even if they didn't always take the time to send an official notification of this. Even better, they plan to address some of the most recurrent requests (sorry guys, no specific details about this now... I will let the runrev team make official announcements about this). Another good news is that they were very receptive to the proposal to get us the educators/academics among us organise ourselves as a self- managed community, so to set up a process by which we can clarify and agree on our needs (we are too many to get this done in one-by-one relationships with runrev) and then have a few representatives have once or twice a year meetings with the runrev team. We will be in a position to express opinions and requests in a way that is more constructive than ranting! More details promised by them... later this month I believe. Tomorrow's surprise is also one that should better address the needs of educators who don't spend at least 30% of their time on runrev projects and for who, therefore, the level of noise on the list is too big and the nicer nabble forum-like interface () is not really the best answer. For my parts, with runrev support, I will try to get the persons working on the LADIE project become interested in runrev's potential. "The LADIE reference model supports Learning Activity Authoring (the design and construction of learning activities and the discovery, specification, sequencing and packaging of content) and Learning Activity Realisation (the construction of the environment in which learning activities are to take place and execution of the learning activities themselves). The LADIE project combines practical teaching and learning experience, pedagogy/didactics through the DialogPlus project in addition to the needs of existing technologies." (e- learning frameworks, UK). Stay tuned, guys, with revolution, the future will be bright. For my part, I am just waiting for some money transfer to convert my studio license into an enterprise one. Hasta la revolution sempre!! Marielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From rcozens at pon.net Wed Jan 4 11:11:49 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:11:49 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104080425.01a03e78@pon.net> Paul, > > Try: > > > > start using stack "x3" > > lock screen > > repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons > > set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x) > > end repeat > > unlock screen > > > > or going to another card in stack "x1". > > > >Well Rob, I really doesn't understand what you means. It's not a problem of >sceen redrawing, the problem is that, as explained in my example, I cannot >load (with the expression 'set the icon of btn x to...') the image in stack >X3 if an image with the same ID is in stack X2, and I don't know how solve >this problem. That is precisely what I expect the code above to accomplish. The start using command places stack "x3" before stack "x2" [presumed to have been opened or put in use earlier] in the message path; so "set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x)" should now find the icon in stack "x3" instead of "x2". Did you try it? If you care to send me your stacks privately, I will test it here. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Wed Jan 4 11:35:14 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:35:14 -0500 Subject: CGI Path Problem Message-ID: <601B5545-1EA1-40D0-B4B1-1D1C2B9D188E@videotron.ca> Hello Everyone, I've got a question about CGI paths on OS X Tiger. When my scripts and stack are nested one folder within the CGI- Executables folder everything works fine. Here's my original set up. CGI-Executables/myProject/ where the files in the myProject folder are myScript.mt and myStack.rev, and the calling script is simply this: #!../revolution on startup start using stack "myStack.rev" [do stuff] end startup However, I want to put the scripts and stack two folders down: CGI-Executables/myProject/myScripts/ When I do that, my web form returns a generic server error message. I have set the permissions to all of the files and folders to 755 and have revised my web form to look into the myScripts folder for the scripts. What am I doing wrong? Any advice would be most appreciated. Gregory From bvg at mac.com Wed Jan 4 11:40:38 2006 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:40:38 +0100 Subject: CGI Path Problem In-Reply-To: <601B5545-1EA1-40D0-B4B1-1D1C2B9D188E@videotron.ca> References: <601B5545-1EA1-40D0-B4B1-1D1C2B9D188E@videotron.ca> Message-ID: you need a ../ for each nested folder deep so in your case: #!../../revolution On Jan 04 2006, at 17:35, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I've got a question about CGI paths on OS X Tiger. > > When my scripts and stack are nested one folder within the > CGI-Executables folder everything works fine. Here's my original set > up. > > CGI-Executables/myProject/ > > where the files in the myProject folder are myScript.mt and > myStack.rev, and the calling script is simply this: > > #!../revolution > > on startup > start using stack "myStack.rev" > [do stuff] > end startup > > However, I want to put the scripts and stack two folders down: > > CGI-Executables/myProject/myScripts/ > > When I do that, my web form returns a generic server error message. > I have set the permissions to all of the files and folders to 755 and > have revised my web form to look into the myScripts folder for the > scripts. What am I doing wrong? Any advice would be most > appreciated. > > Gregory -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From psahores at easynet.fr Wed Jan 4 11:43:03 2006 From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:43:03 +0100 Subject: CGI Path Problem In-Reply-To: <601B5545-1EA1-40D0-B4B1-1D1C2B9D188E@videotron.ca> References: <601B5545-1EA1-40D0-B4B1-1D1C2B9D188E@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Hi, You just need to update your "/etc/httpd/httpd.conf" file with the new cgi-apps paths. After saving it and restarting Apache, all should work as expected. Regards, Le 4 janv. 06 ? 17:35, Gregory Lypny a ?crit : > Hello Everyone, > > I've got a question about CGI paths on OS X Tiger. > > When my scripts and stack are nested one folder within the CGI- > Executables folder everything works fine. Here's my original set up. > > CGI-Executables/myProject/ > > where the files in the myProject folder are myScript.mt and > myStack.rev, and the calling script is simply this: > > #!../revolution > > on startup > start using stack "myStack.rev" > [do stuff] > end startup > > However, I want to put the scripts and stack two folders down: > > CGI-Executables/myProject/myScripts/ > > When I do that, my web form returns a generic server error > message. I have set the permissions to all of the files and > folders to 755 and have revised my web form to look into the > myScripts folder for the scripts. What am I doing wrong? Any > advice would be most appreciated. > > Gregory > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours psahores+ at +easynet.fr sc+ at +sahores-conseil.com Mobile : +33 6 03 95 77 70 Tel/Fax : +33 1 64 45 05 33 WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP "Mutualiser les deltas de productivit?" From mlange at lexicall.org Wed Jan 4 11:46:48 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:46:48 +0000 Subject: Visual Component Library Message-ID: <8C29D842-7ACF-4834-A70A-2222D35FD25A@lexicall.org> Hi Scott, > But there are tens of thousands of these objects (called VCL for > "Visual Component Library"). Take a look at: > http://www.torry.net to see what I mean. > My point is that there is no reason why people should not do the > same in > Rev. Based on your Delphi experience, what would it take to provide a library of pre-built components for revolution? For other "Visual Component Library" solutions I came across, see: and the growing "widget encyclopedia" at . Marielle On 17 December 2005 8:28:19 AM, "Scott Kane" wrote: > Xavier, > > I'm positive your stuff is very cool (I'm still trying to > work out what it all does), but the reason for my reply > is to simply say - relax... :-) I come from Borland > Delphi on Windows (I still design and create all my Windows > app's using Delphi 7 and have done so since the Delphi Beta > in 1994). I'm not sure if you are familiar with Delphi's > open object model or not, but it is an excellent example > of thousands of programmers solving problems, often the > same problems, with a tool they write for the job. Some > are free and open source, others are commercial. But there > are tens of thousands of these objects (called VCL for > "Visual Component Library"). Take a look at: > > http://www.torry.net to see what I mean. My point is that > there is no reason why people should not do the same in > Rev. Duplicating may well create the same means to an end, > but each VCL object is done a little differently, thus one > can choose the solution that solves a specific problem or > is done in a code style one prefers. I think we all need > to remember that, no matter what IDE, compiler and programming > language we work in... :-) > > Scott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From jhonken at x12.info Wed Jan 4 12:02:04 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:02:04 -0700 Subject: Variable Database in revdb_connect Message-ID: <000201c61150$96773b10$640fa8c0@work1> I'm trying to put a variable as my database name in a database connection but I can't get the revdb_connect to see the variable. Does anyone know how to make the database a variable one in a database connection? Jeff on mouseUp put x12provider into database put revdb_connect("sqlite","& database &",,,,,"Address at web.com","bdJycJ") into tConID if tConID is "" then answer warning "Problem creating or accessing database!" else put tConID into gConID end if answer gConID end mouseUp From bvg at mac.com Wed Jan 4 12:16:05 2006 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:16:05 +0100 Subject: Variable Database in revdb_connect In-Reply-To: <000201c61150$96773b10$640fa8c0@work1> References: <000201c61150$96773b10$640fa8c0@work1> Message-ID: You got some errors in your query... try this string: put revdb_connect("sqlite", database ,,,,, "Address at web.com", "bdJycJ") into tConID also it is recommended to always quote strings, as it could get you in trouble if you later make a variable with that name: put "x12provider" into database On Jan 04 2006, at 18:02, Jeff Honken wrote: > on mouseUp > > put x12provider into database > > > put revdb_connect("sqlite","& database > &",,,,,"Address at web.com","bdJycJ") into tConID > if tConID is "" then > answer warning "Problem creating or accessing database!" > else > put tConID into gConID > end if > > answer gConID > end mouseUp From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Wed Jan 4 12:31:25 2006 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:31:25 +0100 Subject: (no subject) QWERTY / AZERTY with Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Xavier, Your information allowed me to solve the problem on a pure PC + XP But did not resolved the trouble with Soft PC It did change something but not all characters . Thanks anyway Cheers Pierre Le 4 janv. 06 ? 11:11, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > Rev shouldn't have anything to do regarding what keyboard is in use. > > The only place where that can be set is in your PC's control panel > (or the > taskbar icon if you have one). > I achieve it OK on Windows XP, using the controls given by "Regions Option". But it didn't work with virtual PC and Windows 2000 If I choose "Fr" I'm still in QWERTY (Rev and Words too) If I choose "EN" then I get "AZERTY" as far as 'Normal" alpha characters are concerned but screwed with Special characters as " & and so on. > Note that Rev will not see the keyboard change so you need to quit and > start over to see it changed. > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/01/2006 11:01:34: > >> Looking for PC Expert Help, >> >> Working on Mac I'm developing an application I'd like to work on both >> sides of the frontier. >> >> I do most of my test using "Virtual PC". >> >> As far as "Controls" are concerned I'm fine. >> >> I began to use the Keyboard to enter data and got into trouble: the >> keyboard was working as "QWERTY" KB although mine was an "AZERTY" >> >> As I didn't find any explanation I installed Rev 1.6.1 on a true XP >> machine and got the same trouble: >> >> Revolution itself when scripting was considering the KeyBoard as >> "Qwerty" although it was not. >> >> Look for this into "Revolution Preference", then into XP Keyboard set >> up and found nothing. >> >> Can somebody tell me where I should go to use my Azerty KeyBoard ? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Pierre >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > ----------------------------------------- > To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has > recently changed the email address format to conform with industry > standards. 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Any views expressed in this e-mail are > those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically > states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of > its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > END OF DISCLAIMER > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pierre.bernaert at mac.com Wed Jan 4 12:35:41 2006 From: pierre.bernaert at mac.com (Pierre Bernaert) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:35:41 +0100 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Xavier, Your information allowed me to solve the problem on a pure PC + XP But did not resolved the trouble with Soft PC It did change something but not all characters . Thanks anyway Cheers Pierre PS I send a new mail called "(no subject) QWERTY / AZERTY with Virtual PC" I achieve it OK on Windows XP, using the controls given by "Regions Option". But it didn't work with virtual PC and Windows 2000 If I choose "Fr" I'm still in QWERTY (Rev and Words too) If I choose "EN" then I get "AZERTY" as far as 'Normal" alpha characters are concerned but screwed with Special characters as " & and so on. Le 4 janv. 06 ? 11:11, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > Rev shouldn't have anything to do regarding what keyboard is in use. > > The only place where that can be set is in your PC's control panel > (or the > taskbar icon if you have one). I achieve it OK on Windows XP, using the controls given by "Regions Option". But it didn't work with virtual PC and Windows 2000 If I choose "Fr" I'm still in QWERTY (Rev and Words too) If I choose "EN" then I get "AZERTY" as far as 'Normal" alpha characters are concerned but screwed with Special characters as " & and so on. > > Note that Rev will not see the keyboard change so you need to quit and > start over to see it changed. > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/01/2006 11:01:34: > >> Looking for PC Expert Help, >> >> Working on Mac I'm developing an application I'd like to work on both >> sides of the frontier. >> >> I do most of my test using "Virtual PC". >> >> As far as "Controls" are concerned I'm fine. >> >> I began to use the Keyboard to enter data and got into trouble: the >> keyboard was working as "QWERTY" KB although mine was an "AZERTY" >> >> As I didn't find any explanation I installed Rev 1.6.1 on a true XP >> machine and got the same trouble: >> >> Revolution itself when scripting was considering the KeyBoard as >> "Qwerty" although it was not. >> >> Look for this into "Revolution Preference", then into XP Keyboard set >> up and found nothing. >> >> Can somebody tell me where I should go to use my Azerty KeyBoard ? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Pierre >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > ----------------------------------------- > To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has > recently changed the email address format to conform with industry > standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. > > Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com > > IMPORTANT MESSAGE > > Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream > International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of > this message. > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you > are > not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is > prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are > those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically > states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of > its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > END OF DISCLAIMER > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jhonken at x12.info Wed Jan 4 12:57:07 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:07 -0700 Subject: Variable Database in revdb_connect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c61158$4a10ff60$ae0ab40a@work1> That worked great thanks, With the little test script that I wrote it connects great the first time but if I press the button a second time it gives me an error. Can you give me some insight into why it errors on the second attempt to connect. Will it always error if I don't close the connection of the previous connection first? I thought it would just connect again with a different connection ID. -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von Gierke Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:16 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Variable Database in revdb_connect You got some errors in your query... try this string: put revdb_connect("sqlite", database ,,,,, "Address at web.com", "bdJycJ") into tConID also it is recommended to always quote strings, as it could get you in trouble if you later make a variable with that name: put "x12provider" into database On Jan 04 2006, at 18:02, Jeff Honken wrote: > on mouseUp > > put x12provider into database > > > put revdb_connect("sqlite","& database > &",,,,,"Address at web.com","bdJycJ") into tConID > if tConID is "" then > answer warning "Problem creating or accessing database!" > else > put tConID into gConID > end if > > answer gConID > end mouseUp _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rcozens at pon.net Wed Jan 4 13:05:23 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:05:23 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104080425.01a03e78@pon.net> References: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104080425.01a03e78@pon.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104093332.01970808@pon.net> Paul, et al, >If you care to send me your stacks privately, I will test it here. Spurred on by Ken's assertion that it couldn't be done, I spent the last 90 minutes trying to prove him wrong...and failed. * I built a two card stack with three buttons with icons on the first & one button with an icon on the second. * I added two radio buttons to card 1 that switch between one image library and the other. * I created two image library stacks, "x2" and "x3". X2 contains three images; x3 contains four, with the first three having the same ids as the three in x2. The icon on the button on card 2 is set to the id of the fourth image in x3. * alwaysBuffer is false for all stacks & images, and destroyStack is true for both image libraries * If I don't start using library x3 before going to card 2, the button icon on card 2 is empty. Once I start using x3, the icon appears on card 2, and remains after I close x3 and start using x2 again. * I have tried simply stop using a library stack and actually closing it...which should remove the images from RAM--no go * I have tried setting the icon to empty and resetting it--nada also I conclude that the imageData for icons is stored somewhere at runtime -- despite alwaysBuffer being false -- and, one resolved, Rev keeps it separate from the stack data. I'm curious whether this would have worked in the HyperCard runtime environment; but not curious enough to spend more time on it now. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From alex at tweedly.net Wed Jan 4 13:13:34 2006 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:13:34 +0000 Subject: Thread problem Message-ID: <43BC104E.3080903@tweedly.net> Test - please ignore ..... (checking whether this appears on the correct thread or not ...) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 03/01/2006 From b.xavier at internet.lu Wed Jan 4 13:29:13 2006 From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:29:13 +0100 Subject: QWERTY / AZERTY with Virtual PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060104173759.B840182542A@mail.runrev.com> Pierre, we all are lost in front of a new OS - though windows and macs do work relatively the same (as compared to classic [l]un[at]ix based os's) try to have the same settings on both PC/MAC systems if they don?t work the same... * start -> control panels -> regional settings and then keyboard work with notepad to see what "windows" does "normally"... rev may work differently? doubtfull... cheers X > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Pierre Bernaert > Sent: Wednesday, 04 January, 2006 18:36 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > Thanks Xavier, > > Your information allowed me to solve the problem on a pure PC + XP > > But did not resolved the trouble with Soft PC > > It did change something but not all characters . > > Thanks anyway > > Cheers > > Pierre > > > PS I send a new mail called "(no subject) QWERTY / AZERTY > with Virtual PC" > > I achieve it OK on Windows XP, using the controls given by > "Regions Option". > > But it didn't work with virtual PC and Windows 2000 If I > choose "Fr" I'm still in QWERTY (Rev and Words too) > If I choose "EN" then I get "AZERTY" as far as 'Normal" alpha > characters are concerned but screwed with Special characters > as " & and so on. > > Le 4 janv. 06 ? 11:11, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > > > Rev shouldn't have anything to do regarding what keyboard is in use. > > > > The only place where that can be set is in your PC's > control panel (or > > the taskbar icon if you have one). > > I achieve it OK on Windows XP, using the controls given by > "Regions Option". > > But it didn't work with virtual PC and Windows 2000 If I > choose "Fr" I'm still in QWERTY (Rev and Words too) > If I choose "EN" then I get "AZERTY" as far as 'Normal" alpha > characters are concerned but screwed with Special characters > as " & and so on. > > > > > Note that Rev will not see the keyboard change so you need > to quit and > > start over to see it changed. > > > > cheers > > Xavier > > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/01/2006 > 11:01:34: > > > >> Looking for PC Expert Help, > >> > >> Working on Mac I'm developing an application I'd like to > work on both > >> sides of the frontier. > >> > >> I do most of my test using "Virtual PC". > >> > >> As far as "Controls" are concerned I'm fine. > >> > >> I began to use the Keyboard to enter data and got into trouble: the > >> keyboard was working as "QWERTY" KB although mine was an "AZERTY" > >> > >> As I didn't find any explanation I installed Rev 1.6.1 on a true XP > >> machine and got the same trouble: > >> > >> Revolution itself when scripting was considering the KeyBoard as > >> "Qwerty" although it was not. > >> > >> Look for this into "Revolution Preference", then into XP > Keyboard set > >> up and found nothing. > >> > >> Can somebody tell me where I should go to use my Azerty KeyBoard ? > >> > >> Many thanks > >> > >> Pierre > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has > > recently changed the email address format to conform with industry > > standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. > > > > Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com > > > > IMPORTANT MESSAGE > > > > Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream > > International does not accept legal responsibility for the > contents of > > this message. > > > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be > > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the > addressee. If you > > are > > not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or > > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is > > prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this > e-mail are > > those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically > > states them to be the views of Clearstream International or > of any of > > its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > > > END OF DISCLAIMER > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From europe at ehug.info Wed Jan 4 13:41:09 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:41:09 +0100 Subject: Progressive jpegs and mac os9 In-Reply-To: <49fe7e8288ba6169a30f3a2a62e91fa9@siphonophore.com> References: <20051115180004.BBCB7825052@mail.runrev.com> <49fe7e8288ba6169a30f3a2a62e91fa9@siphonophore.com> Message-ID: <43BC16C5.7040400@ehug.info> Can anyone confirm the problem described by Jeff? Since I'm using Mac OS 9 a lot, I am trying to confirm this, but without success. Mark Jeffrey Reynolds wrote: > FYI, just had a little gotcha on a project. > > Turns out a Mac OS9 app built with rev261 build 152 will not display a > jpeg that is a progressive scan jpeg. the progressive jpegs work fine in > osx and in classic os9. It appears it might be a quicktime problem. Even > though the classic and os9 systems are running the same system version > and quicktime version, quicktime for classic appears to have a few more > plugins that might be allowing the progressives to be displayed in > classic but not native os9. > > bummer we were all but golden then a final check on os9 found a handful > of the jpegs had mistakenly been saved as progressives. simple fix, just > save as regular jpegs, but something to be aware of if you want to run > on native os9. > > cheers, > > jeff reynolds -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From alex at tweedly.net Wed Jan 4 13:59:03 2006 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:59:03 +0000 Subject: Thread problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC1AF7.40804@tweedly.net> Ken Ray wrote: >On 1/4/06 7:02 AM, "Paul Claude" wrote: > > > >>>I'm not sure I understand your problem, but if you highlight the text of >>>the current thread it will place it in your response (as above), then you >>>need to change the Subject text to match the thread subject. >>> >>>If this doesn't answer your question, try restating the question. >>> >>>James Z. >>> >>> >>Your answer has open a new thread in the >>http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-January/ (that I use in >>Firefox to browse and post in the list). When I click on your name, I got >>the same result, as my email client (entourage X) open a new message window >>with the right thread title but open always a new thread on the list. >> >> > >Is there any reason you don't just ask to receive the mailing list as emails >to Entourage instead of using Firefox? I do this and have the emails >filtered to go to a specific folder I've created in Entourage, and then set >the view of the messages to group by conversation - which effectively gives >me a threaded view of the emails. If you were able to do this, you can just >reply to specific messages and they would stay in the same thread when seen >through Firefox... > > Ken is right - the simplest and easiest answer is to receive and reply to the list via email. Do that and it will "just work". It should work via browser, but doesn't, for two reasons. How it should work (or at least tries to work): When you view a message from the list in your browser, and then reply to a message, this is done by a "mailto" URL in the html of the message. For example, the html for viewing the message from Ken (the one this is a reply to), shows >

Thread problem

> Ken Ray > TITLE="Thread problem">kray at sonsothunder.com >
> > So when you click on that URL, it invokes your mail client, passing in the Subject and the In-Reply-To values. This *should* allow your mail client to send the mail with the correct headers to get it properly on the thread. However, it fails for two reasons: 1. Many mail clients don't properly use the "In-Reply-To" value passed as a parameter to the URL. This includes, surprisingly, Thunderbird - and probably Entourage. 2. The mail list html is not passing the correct values. It is putting the In-Reply-To value from the message being displayed; what it should do is use the message-id of the message itself. Thus, when I look at Ken's message in my email, I see >Message-ID: >Thread-Topic: Thread problem >Thread-Index: AcYRLxPNUiZaU30iEdqgiwAwZYUE+gABk4YA >In-Reply-To: > > so the HTML ought to have included > So even if you had a good mail client, it would on;y succeed with messages which are already replies to a thread, not when replying to the initial message in a thread. Summary : this ain't going to work, even if you find a mail client that supports it :-) But I'll forward this to the Heather (once I've investigated a bit further to see whether mailman can be set up to do it right ). -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 03/01/2006 From Camm29 at tesco.net Wed Jan 4 14:49:45 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:49:45 -0000 Subject: Vb CommEvent in Rev Message-ID: <00e001c61168$05201f20$0a01a8c0@mobile1> Hi , Is there an equivalaint to Visual Basic CommEvent in Rev ? Can i tell if characters have arrived and ready to be Read from the Com Port Buffer ? HNY to all Camm From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 15:17:14 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:17:14 -0800 Subject: New plugin uploaded - OS X only In-Reply-To: <6B1715E0-3DD4-48D4-8920-9F3888390D3F@education.lu> Message-ID: On 1/4/06 3:10 AM, "Christian Langers" wrote: > It will erase those "nasty" .DS_Files and even, if you wish, zip this > cleaned folder... Great tool! Thanks! But one question.. If I am preparing a CD of files and then dismount that drive to eject it, does the Mac OSX write fresh ".DS_Store" files just before ejecting, or does it stay clean? I will be getting into this exercise in the next four weeks or so. Thanks Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/4/06 3:10 AM, "Christian Langers" wrote: > I just wanted to tell you (inspired by the topic of .DS_Store files) > that I just uploaded a little plugin that will do the job... > > It's called "Free us" and it's in the "Utilities"-categorie of > revOnline... > It will erase those "nasty" .DS_Files and even, if you wish, zip this > cleaned folder... > Just drag and drop.... > Christian L. > Luxembourg From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Jan 4 15:21:29 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:21:29 -0800 Subject: Graphic or Image Tile to Image? Message-ID: Happy New Year list: Is there any way to convert a graphic with a background pattern into an image without using a screenshot? Alternatively, is there any write one image as a repeating tile into another image? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From pevensen at siboneylg.com Wed Jan 4 15:33:32 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:33:32 -0600 Subject: Digit grouping character Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060104143215.14532b48@exchange.slg.com> Is there a way to get the system digit grouping character (i.e., the thousands separator, which is a comma in the US and a period in Europe, etc)? I can't seem to find anything. Also, is there an easy way to add this to a number without having to munge the digits in a string? (i.e., go from "1000" to "1,000") Thanks! Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 From martyknapp at comcast.net Wed Jan 4 15:35:59 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:35:59 -0800 Subject: Standalone settings Message-ID: <43BC31AF.3080704@comcast.net> In the Standalone Settings (Rev 2.2.1), there are options to Set destroyStack to true and Encrypt with password. Questions: 1) Is this destroyStack property different than the setting in the Stack inspector? In other words, if you've set it with the Stack inspector, should you also do it here or is that redundant? 2) Is there a reason one wouldn't want to use the Encrypt setting, specifically with the Main stack? If you select this for the Main stack, what purpose would the password serve since you wouldn't be editing it? Somewhat related-- Any thoughts about having a standalone that looks for some kind of "license stack" - then if it doesn't find it, operates in a demo mode, otherwise the license stack would enable all features. Perhaps the license stack has some needed code - or maybe it's just a dummy stack. Thanks for any help, Marty Knapp From chipp at chipp.com Wed Jan 4 15:49:29 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:49:29 -0600 Subject: Graphic or Image Tile to Image? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC34D9.6030505@chipp.com> export snapshot will save the file to disk, which you can then import. Re repeating tile: I guess I'd do it this way: Import a backPattern image 128x128 (Macs can only have certain size backpatterns). Set the back pattern of grc 'test' to it. Size grc 'test' to the final image size. Export Snapshot the rect of grc 'test'. Import image from the export. Clean up. -Chipp Scott Rossi wrote: > Happy New Year list: > > Is there any way to convert a graphic with a background pattern into an > image without using a screenshot? > > Alternatively, is there any write one image as a repeating tile into another > image? From rcozens at pon.net Wed Jan 4 19:39:06 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:39:06 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104161908.0196ece0@pon.net> Paul, Ken, et al, It's alive! My icon-changing stack, "Chameleon" is now changing icons on-the-fly. Chameleon stack script: local imagePath1,imagePath2,currentLibrary on openStack get the effective fileName of this stack set the itemDelimiter to "/" put "X2.rev" into item -1 of it put it into imagePath1 put "X3.rev" into item -1 of it put it into imagePath2 start using stack imagePath1 put imagePath1 into currentLibrary refreshButtons end openStack on switchLibraries set the itemDelimiter to "/" get item -1 of currentLibrary if it is "x3.rev" then stop using stack imagePath2 close stack imagePath2 start using stack imagePath1 put imagePath1 into currentLibrary else stop using stack imagePath1 close stack imagePath1 start using stack imagePath2 put imagePath2 into currentLibrary end if send "refreshButtons" to this stack in 1 tick end switchLibraries on refreshButtons repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x) end repeat end refreshButtons The key to making this work was sending "refreshButtons" to the stack instead of calling it from the handler that switches the libraries. Also, one must close the previous library [with destroyStack true], not just stop using it. So all you game builders who want to change the look and difficulty as the user reaches each new level could address that with multiple libraries containing images with the same icon id and handlers with the same name but different logic. It's gratifying when one's long-term hunch proves to be correct. :{`) Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 4 19:48:50 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:48:50 +1100 Subject: Visual Component Library In-Reply-To: <8C29D842-7ACF-4834-A70A-2222D35FD25A@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <000b01c61191$cde031b0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Marielle > Based on your Delphi experience, what would it take to provide a > library of pre-built components for revolution? Well - to start with I don't have the knowledge to write externals yet for Rev, so plugins would be difficult for me to write. However - there are heaps of cool stuff scattered over the web from Rev programmers that would be easier to find if placed in one location with the programmers URL included in the listing. Many Delphi developers create components for various reasons. The most obvious is to promote a trial version of a solution. Another is to advertise their product or service via commercial component sets - or their unique service that they offer users. Others again simply submit code as freeware routines as a present to the general community. These elements are what make Delphi such a powerful tool. You can just about find anything you want on a site like Torry's (which is the premier site, based in Russia). To do this for Rev would not be hard. What Maxim (the owner of Torry's_ does on www.torry.net ) is make available the opportunity for commercial vendors of components and services the chance to advertise on top of a normal listing and also a CD-ROM that comes out once a year. From this Maxim earns enough to keep the site going for the thousands of visitors who visit each day. Now to do this for Rev is going to be a little more limited as there simply are not the volume of Rev developers, as yet at least, as there are Delphi developers. But, if we consider how the Delphi sites grew, it is a matter of inertia in that once started it should grow. Rev has something that Delphi does not have and that is the integrated Rev Online viewer. I'm not sure how that would affect listings. Torry's success has been based, to a large extent, on incoming links placed on developer websites to the library. Sometimes the simplest routine is placed in the resource so that a complete newbie has a chance of finding what he/she needs to complete a portion of a project. Rev has incredible power in many functions that come native that a newbie is going to stumble on. For example - "How to connect to a Com port in Rev" and similar snippets are a newbie's bonanza and also help those more fluent in Rev to quickly solve an issue. Sorry for the size of my reply. I'd be happy to discuss it further, but perhaps off list... Scott From tominjapan at excite.com Wed Jan 4 20:58:37 2006 From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:58:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux cgi Message-ID: <20060105015837.1AD5AB6AE@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> I've learned that my provider is running Linux 1.1.3 with glibc 2.3.1 my scripts (which worked at another provider [unix]) are no longer working. Checking Ken Ray's site, I found some clues to what needs to be done. However, my provider doesn't allow telnet connections, so I can't do the diagnostics. What should I ask my provider to do? install some libraries? Judging from Ken's site I might need: libXext.so.6 libX11.so.6 anything else? are most providers open to installing libraries? thanks tm _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 4 21:11:40 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:11:40 +1100 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: <000001c61115$d1f222d0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <000e01c6119d$629075d0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi folks, I've added a demo that expands some of the techniques used in using altSQLite as a database. Most importantly the scripts for data entry style stacks. It can be obtained under the Programming section of RevOnline and the stack is called altDemoSQL Note - to use this stack you need to first download and run the official Altuit stack from: < http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm > Scott From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 21:19:18 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:19:18 -0800 Subject: [OT} Flash question, new version, old players Message-ID: Hi, all, I am trying to make a quick decision about incorporating PNG and GIF images in a project I am completing. The newest version of Flash allows the 'loadmovie' command to bring in more than just SWF and JPG files. The catch is... does the computer running the browser viewing a site need to be updated to Flash Player 8 or better to see the PNG+JPG. I have tried several sources to get to the bottom of this, but no luck. Currently everything is setup to work with rectangular jpgs with no transparency. Sure would like to go beyond this, but not at the expense of viewers who have not/will not update their player. This is a somewhat-related topic because I have a Rev control center that directs all the Flash activity, parameters, publishing, and uploading. Jim Ault Las Vegas From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 4 22:34:14 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:34:14 +1100 Subject: MIDI using player object Message-ID: <000201c611a8$ebb82690$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi all, I've got a stack that plays a MIDI file when user click the start button. The problem I'm having is the Player object is looping the MIDI file even when I don't have the looping property checked. I'm on Windows XP with the current version of Itunes\Quicktime installed. My calling code - to start the MIDI is: Start Player "QueenMary" It plays beautifully - except for the looping described above... Scott From kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 4 22:41:01 2006 From: kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Jaqua) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:41:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: imageSource Stored in Destination Stack Message-ID: <20060105034101.80794.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi y'all, I have a group of imageSources in a field. I can put the clicked on image on the clipboard. I can also copy the imageSource as an image to another stack. But, if I select the imageSource in a filed and paste it into a field in another stack I am unable to get the image stored in the Image Library of the destination stack. ( I can not reference the images as to the nature of my App.) Any Ideas? Kathy Graves Jaqua A Wildest Dream Software kgjaqua1 at sbcGlobal.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Jan 4 22:55:44 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:55:44 -0600 Subject: Linux cgi In-Reply-To: <20060105015837.1AD5AB6AE@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060105015837.1AD5AB6AE@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <43BC98C0.1080704@hyperactivesw.com> Thomas McCarthy wrote: > I've learned that my provider is running Linux 1.1.3 with glibc 2.3.1 > > > my scripts (which worked at another provider [unix]) are no longer > working. Checking Ken Ray's site, I found some clues to what needs to > be done. However, my provider doesn't allow telnet connections, so I > can't do the diagnostics. > > What should I ask my provider to do? install some libraries? Judging > from Ken's site I might need: libXext.so.6 libX11.so.6 > > anything else? are most providers open to installing libraries? > thanks tm Are you getting anything in the browser at all when you try to run a cgi script, like an error page? If so, then check the system error log. Most providers allow you to access that, usually via a link in your site's control panel or similar. Generate the error by trying to run a cgi script, then immediately check the system error log and see what it says. If you are missing libraries, it will tell you so and indicate which one(s). If there is a script error it should tell you that too. You may have to generate the error several times if there is more than one file missing. It is common for ISPs to neglect installing some Apache libraries that aren't strictly necessary when running a web site. If that's what happened, then you'll need to write to their support people and ask them to install the missing libs. The system error log should tell you which ones you need. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Jan 4 23:00:51 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:00:51 -0600 Subject: MIDI using player object In-Reply-To: <000201c611a8$ebb82690$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000201c611a8$ebb82690$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43BC99F3.2020500@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Kane wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a stack that plays a MIDI file when > user click the start button. The problem I'm > having is the Player object is looping the MIDI > file even when I don't have the looping property > checked. Try turning off looping via script: set the looping of player "queenMary" to false start player "queenMary" If you are loading the MIDI from disk, do the above after you set the filename of the player. If I remember right, QT files can be saved with their own loop setting. If the player loads a movie that is set to loop, the file's property may be overriding the player's setting. Resetting it specifically via script may work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jan 4 23:02:03 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:02:03 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question Message-ID: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> All- I've stumbled on something that is very annoying, or at least I think it is, now that I think I've figured out what's going on. Took me most of the day playing around with this... It appears that you can't put the scripts of substacks into front or back scripts. Here's what I'm faced with: stack A: mainStack subStack 1 (library stack) subStack 2 (library stack) stack B: mainstack What I'd like is to be able to load stack B at runtime (allowing for switching to different but similar stack Bs). I've sort of got that part working, inserting the script of stack B from hard disk into the front. So far, so good. But... stack B needs to be able to call handlers in subStack 1 of stack A, and I haven't figured out how to get the substack into the message-passing hierarchy. Inserting the script of substack 1 doesn't give me any errors, but only the path to stack A appears in the list of backscripts. That part's fine, but messages don't get down to the substack level. Here's what (I think) I want for a message hierarchy from front to back: stack B (frontscript) stack A subStack 1 (backscript) My options seem to be: 1. forget the library substack, move everything to the mainstack 2. make the substack a separate file any other ideas? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From martyknapp at comcast.net Wed Jan 4 23:32:02 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:32:02 -0800 Subject: Popup menu Message-ID: <43BCA142.3080708@comcast.net> I have a mouseDown script in a field that pops up a menu from a hidden button. It works fine on my Mac, but not my PC - any clues? Marty Knapp From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 00:08:40 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:08:40 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On 1/4/06 8:02 PM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >But... stack B needs to be able to call handlers in subStack 1 of > stack A, and I haven't figured out how to get the substack into the > message-passing hierarchy. In order to keep the nature of the library stack, which I appreciate, why not try one of these three ideas... start using stack {that I want to be in the hierarchy} start using stack subStack 1 (library stack) -or- set the script of {an object that can be in a back script} to the script of {an object that cannot} (eg. stack script of subStack1) -or- catch the message in mainStack script on forSub1btnClkPause send " btnClkPause" to stack subStack1 end forSub1btnClkPause --sorta defeats the effectiveness of the term 'library', though, eh? All of this is untried at the moment, but I think one of these will work. Did not know that On 1/4/06 8:02 PM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: > All- > > I've stumbled on something that is very annoying, or at least I think > it is, now that I think I've figured out what's going on. Took me most > of the day playing around with this... > > It appears that you can't put the scripts of substacks into front or > back scripts. Here's what I'm faced with: > > stack A: > mainStack > subStack 1 (library stack) > subStack 2 (library stack) > > stack B: > mainstack > > What I'd like is to be able to load stack B at runtime (allowing for > switching to different but similar stack Bs). I've sort of got that > part working, inserting the script of stack B from hard disk into the > front. So far, so good. > > But... stack B needs to be able to call handlers in subStack 1 of > stack A, and I haven't figured out how to get the substack into the > message-passing hierarchy. Inserting the script of substack 1 doesn't > give me any errors, but only the path to stack A appears in the list > of backscripts. That part's fine, but messages don't get down to the > substack level. > > Here's what (I think) I want for a message hierarchy from front to > back: > > stack B (frontscript) > stack A > subStack 1 (backscript) > > My options seem to be: > 1. forget the library substack, move everything to the mainstack > 2. make the substack a separate file > > any other ideas? From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 00:15:37 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:15:37 -0800 Subject: imageSource Stored in Destination Stack In-Reply-To: <20060105034101.80794.qmail@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/4/06 7:41 PM, "Kathy Jaqua" wrote: > But, if I select the imageSource in a filed and paste > it into a field in another stack I am unable to get > the image stored in the Image Library of the > destination stack. I think that if you look at the field 'image' it is actually an tag. --In the message box type put the htmltext of field myField -- to see the behind-the-scenes stuff (I know, techie speak) The tag requires a reference and this may be what you need to update somehow, or make a copy of the image that can be referenced. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/4/06 7:41 PM, "Kathy Jaqua" wrote: > I have a group of imageSources in a field. I can put > the clicked on image on the clipboard. I can also copy > the imageSource as an image to another stack. > > But, if I select the imageSource in a filed and paste > it into a field in another stack I am unable to get > the image stored in the Image Library of the > destination stack. ( I can not reference the images as > to the nature of my App.) > > Any Ideas? > > Kathy Graves Jaqua > A Wildest Dream Software > kgjaqua1 at sbcGlobal.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Jan 5 00:28:03 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:28:03 -0600 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> References: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <43BCAE63.3020207@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > What I'd like is to be able to load stack B at runtime (allowing for > switching to different but similar stack Bs). I've sort of got that > part working, inserting the script of stack B from hard disk into the > front. So far, so good. > > But... stack B needs to be able to call handlers in subStack 1 of > stack A, and I haven't figured out how to get the substack into the > message-passing hierarchy. Try: start using stack "substack 1" of stack "A" That puts it in the back. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 5 00:31:38 2006 From: kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Jaqua) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: imageSource Stored in Destination Stack Message-ID: <20060105053138.28140.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim Good Idea but it is not what I need. I actually need the original copied then pasted imageSource saved in the image library at the time it is pasted. (It must be a picture of the imageSource). I don't want an image tag or a reference. (OK.., maybe I don't fully understand image tags :-) Tank you Tank you (ah bubble, bubble) for your response to this eMail. Kathy Grave Jaqua A Wildest Dream Software San Francisco From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Jan 5 00:40:11 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:40:11 -0600 Subject: imageSource Stored in Destination Stack In-Reply-To: <20060105053138.28140.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060105053138.28140.qmail@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BCB13B.3050900@hyperactivesw.com> Kathy Jaqua wrote: > Hi Jim > > Good Idea but it is not what I need. > > I actually need the original copied then pasted > imageSource saved in the image library at the time it > is pasted. (It must be a picture of the imageSource). > I don't want an image tag or a reference. > (OK.., maybe I don't fully understand image tags :-) What Jim means is that the imagesource in the field isn't really the image itself, it is just a tag -- a description -- of the image's location. This is exactly how icons in buttons work too; a button doesn't contain an image, it just references one that is stored in the stack. Copying the field's htmltext to another field will move the tag along with the text to the new field, but the image that is stored in the original stack doesn't automatically move to the new stack. You will have to script the duplication of the image if the new stack doesn't already contain it. The script that copies the field text must also do something like this: copy img "myImg" of this cd of stack "originalStack" to this card Then set the htmltext of the field, and the imagesource will have an image available to use. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rcozens at pon.net Thu Jan 5 00:40:47 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:40:47 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104213236.01969338@pon.net> All, >Chameleon stack script: On the vain presumption this might actually be of use to some people, here's an improved version. Initialization is moved from openStack to preOpenStack and the handlers otherwise tweaked. local imagePath1,imagePath2,currentLibrary on preOpenStack get the effective fileName of this stack set the itemDelimiter to "/" put "X2.rev" into item -1 of it put it into imagePath1 put "X3.rev" into item -1 of it put it into imagePath2 start using stack imagePath1 put imagePath1 into currentLibrary refreshButtons end preOpenStack on switchLibraries set the itemDelimiter to "/" stop using stack currentLibrary close stack currentLibrary get item -1 of currentLibrary if it is "x3.rev" then -- use switch logic if toggling between three or more icon libraries start using stack imagePath1 put imagePath1 into currentLibrary else start using stack imagePath2 put imagePath2 into currentLibrary end if send "refreshButtons" to this stack in 1 tick end switchLibraries on refreshButtons lock screen repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x) end repeat unlock screen end refreshButtons Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Jan 5 00:44:52 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:44:52 -0600 Subject: Popup menu In-Reply-To: <43BCA142.3080708@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 1/4/06 10:32 PM, "Marty Knapp" wrote: > I have a mouseDown script in a field that pops up a menu from a hidden > button. It works fine on my Mac, but not my PC - any clues? Well, can you post the script so we can see what's going on? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 5 01:13:15 2006 From: kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Jaqua) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:13:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: imageSource Stored in Destination Stack Message-ID: <20060105061315.51758.qmail@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Jacqueline, I have a field with about 350 ImageSources. I use the following format: set the clipboardData["image"] to image gImage -- (this is the image the user picked) but on a Paste into the new stack I lose the image name. If I get the selection of an imageSource from the field and go to a new stack should I: 1. paste the original image and then hide it? Is it the same image as the imageSource since I have lost the image name on the paste. 2. then paste (at the mouse click) the Imagesource into the new field? What is the difference between 'copy img' and 'clipboardData["image"]'? Jacqueline your great... what would we do with out you! Kathy Graves Jaqua A Wildest Dream Software From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 5 01:16:37 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:16:37 +1100 Subject: MIDI using player object In-Reply-To: <43BC99F3.2020500@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <000401c611bf$9b297910$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Jacqueline Thanks for your reply. It turns out that when scored the MIDI I put it into an auto loop - so the Player object was doing exactly what it was designed to do - loop. Sorry for bothering you. Needless to say I rescored the MIDI and it works as expected now. Scott From bvlahos at mac.com Thu Jan 5 02:00:19 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:00:19 -0800 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <10018726347.20051123143002@ahsoftware.net> References: <20051123182541.720AF7F056@spatula.dreamhost.com> <10018726347.20051123143002@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> I never saw a summary of when we can meet at Macworld. I also suggest Tuesday unless some other night has been selected. Please let us know. See you there. Bill Vlahos On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Dan- > > Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 11:19:11 AM, you wrote: > >> I'll up the ante one cent and suggest we plan a BOF for Rev >> developers, Valentina or not. I'll be going, though I'm not yet >> certain which dates. > > If we're going to do an evening thing, I'd prefer Tuesday or > Wednesday, since I can't make it any other evening that week. I should > say, though, that I tried to set up a BOF last year through IDG, but > got absolutely no response. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jan 5 02:37:24 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:37:24 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <43BCAE63.3020207@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> <43BCAE63.3020207@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <19742036575.20060104233724@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- > Try: > start using stack "substack 1" of stack "A" > That puts it in the back. Thanks. It doesn't, but it comes close enough. The syntax I needed was put the script of stack "substack 1" of stack "A" into back I didn't realize you could use the "stack of stack" syntax without the compiler barfing. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jan 5 02:39:57 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:39:57 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7642189475.20060104233957@ahsoftware.net> Jim- Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 9:08:40 PM, you wrote: > All of this is untried at the moment, but I think one of these will work. Thanks. Jacque's "stack of stack" trick seems to have done the trick for me, although my backup was, as you suggested, putting the script into a button and setting the script of the button into the back. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Jan 5 02:52:26 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:52:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Forums & off topic posts In-Reply-To: <9BECDA4D-3511-4C31-BD4F-B686E9FFF035@lexicall.org> Message-ID: This is AWESOME! news!!! I can't wait!!! Judy On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Marielle Lange wrote: > I bet they are... thanks to my location in Edinburgh I even got to > meet Kevin and Mark in person. I got to see the nice and pleasant > office where everything happens. > > The focus of the discussion was on education projects (how to get > runrev more widespread in the education community). There was some > ambiguity some months ago that were in great part due to Ro Nagey > health problems. He had had heart surgery at the time and despite his > high commitment to the cause, he couldn't attend to the education > community as much as he would have wanted to. > > I am glad to say that it was clear from the meeting I had last week > that they have been listening to many things said on the list, even > if they didn't always take the time to send an official notification > of this. Even better, they plan to address some of the most recurrent > requests (sorry guys, no specific details about this now... I will > let the runrev team make official announcements about this). From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 03:08:04 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:08:04 -0800 Subject: Popup menu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BCD3E4.8090209@comcast.net> Ken Ray wrote: >On 1/4/06 10:32 PM, "Marty Knapp" wrote: > > > >>I have a mouseDown script in a field that pops up a menu from a hidden >>button. It works fine on my Mac, but not my PC - any clues? >> >> > >Well, can you post the script so we can see what's going on? > > That would be helpful wouldn't it . . . (sorry, I was rushing out the door) The object is to have a popup menu to save the tabstops & header button rect to a preference file. So from my Mac I save a Mac & PC standalone. The Popup works on the Mac, but with the PC version it just pops the menu up, but won't run the menuPick handler. However, if I save it as a standalone on my PC it works. (I have Rev 2.2.1) script in the field: on mouseDown which if which is 3 then popup btn "saveTabstops" end mouseDown script in the hidden button: on menuPick which if which is empty then exit to top put stackPath() & "Preferences.txt" into thePath if there is a file thePath then get URL "file:" & thePath else get empty repeat with x=1 to 7 put the rect of btn x of group "Header1" into line x of it end repeat put the tabStops of fld "Main" into line 8 of it put it into URL ("file:" & thePath) end menuPick Thanks for any help, Marty Knapp From dick.kriesel at mail.com Thu Jan 5 04:15:46 2006 From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:15:46 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <19742036575.20060104233724@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On 1/4/06 11:37 PM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: > put the script of stack "substack 1" of stack "A" into back I suppose you meant "insert" rather than "put." Are you implementing polymorphism for functions and commands? Is only one substack appropriate at any point in time? Do you need to remove the script of stack "substack 1" of stack "A" and insert the script of "substack 2" of stack "A" when some event occurs? And remove and insert again when other events occur? If yes, then there's another technique you can use. You can insert the script of stack "A" which can contain virtual functions and commands: function foo put the uSubstack of me into tSubstack if tSubstack is not empty then return value(the params,stack tSubstack) end if end foo on bar put the uSubstack of me into tSubstack if tSubstack is not empty then send the params to stack tSubstack end if end bar Then when some event requires a change to a different substack, you can set the uSubstack of stack "A" and not need to remove and insert scripts. Would that work for you? -- Dick From paulclaude at postino.it Thu Jan 5 04:56:40 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:56:40 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104213236.01969338@pon.net> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Very good work. It actually may help people who must switch themes of a stack. For my needs, I cannot close the stack "X2", therefore your solution it's not applicable. Thanks however. Paul Claude on 5-01-2006 6:40, Rob Cozens at rcozens at pon.net wrote: > All, > >> Chameleon stack script: > > On the vain presumption this might actually be of use to some people, > here's an improved version. Initialization is moved from openStack > to preOpenStack and the handlers otherwise tweaked. > > local imagePath1,imagePath2,currentLibrary > > on preOpenStack > get the effective fileName of this stack > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > put "X2.rev" into item -1 of it > put it into imagePath1 > put "X3.rev" into item -1 of it > put it into imagePath2 > start using stack imagePath1 > put imagePath1 into currentLibrary > refreshButtons > end preOpenStack > > on switchLibraries > set the itemDelimiter to "/" > stop using stack currentLibrary > close stack currentLibrary > get item -1 of currentLibrary > if it is "x3.rev" then -- use switch logic if toggling between > three or more icon libraries > start using stack imagePath1 > put imagePath1 into currentLibrary > else > start using stack imagePath2 > put imagePath2 into currentLibrary > end if > send "refreshButtons" to this stack in 1 tick > end switchLibraries > > on refreshButtons > lock screen > repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons > set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x) > end repeat > unlock screen > end refreshButtons > > Rob Cozens, CCW > Serendipity Software Company > > Vive R Revolution! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From FlexibleLearning at aol.com Thu Jan 5 04:57:03 2006 From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:57:03 EST Subject: Popup menu Message-ID: Hi Marty, I also had this issue. The btn has to be visible, it seems.... - Set the btn as visible but off screen (bottomRight at -100,-100) - Cover the btn by an opaque graphic or an opaque group HTP /H > I have a mouseDown script in a field that pops up a menu from a hidden > button. It works fine on my Mac, but not my PC - any clues? From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 06:48:27 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:48:27 +1000 Subject: Standalone settings In-Reply-To: <43BC31AF.3080704@comcast.net> References: <43BC31AF.3080704@comcast.net> Message-ID: > 1) Is this destroyStack property different than the setting in the Stack > inspector? In other words, if you've set it with the Stack inspector, > should you also do it here or is that redundant? This setting allows you to have the destroyStack property OFF when editing and ON in the standalone (or vice versa, though I can't see why anyone would need that). > 2) Is there a reason one wouldn't want to use the Encrypt setting, > specifically with the Main stack? If you select this for the Main stack, > what purpose would the password serve since you wouldn't be editing it? If it is a project that you want to distribute, turn it on for all the stacks as it stops people being able to read the scripts by opeing the stack files in a text editor. However during development, it may be better to leave it off so that you can edit separate sub-stacks in place more conveniently. Cheers, Sarah From europe at ehug.info Thu Jan 5 07:34:32 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:34:32 +0100 Subject: Fractals In-Reply-To: <000401c60df7$08a3e600$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000401c60df7$08a3e600$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43BD1258.6050404@ehug.info> Hi Scott, If you are a (former) HyperCard user, this might be interesting for you: http://hypertextbook.com/chaos/92c.shtml and there is a HyperCard stack that should be a good starting point for making your own fractals stack in Revolution: http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~mnaylor/software/ Have a look at the Chaos Game stack. Best regards, Mark Scott Kane wrote: > Happy New Year to everybody. :-) > It's New Years eve downunder and > here in Melbourne it's 38 C (109 F). > Kind of sticky! > > Recently I came across a Rev project that > did fractals. I've managed to lose the > file in the interim. I've checked the > Rev Online stacks and can't see anything > there. Anybody know of any fractal scripts > for Rev? > > Scott -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 5 08:17:52 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:17:52 +1100 Subject: Fractals In-Reply-To: <43BD1258.6050404@ehug.info> Message-ID: <001c01c611fa$7475a100$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Mark, > If you are a (former) HyperCard user, this might be interesting > for you: > http://hypertextbook.com/chaos/92c.shtml and there is a HyperCard stack that should be a good starting point for making your own fractals stack in Revolution: http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~mnaylor/software/ Have a look at the Chaos Game stack. Thanks for this. I'm checking them out. :-) Scott From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Thu Jan 5 10:39:22 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:39:22 -0800 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> Message-ID: <1075646897-121546924@lindbergh.macserve.net> > I never saw a summary of when we can meet at Macworld. I also > suggest Tuesday unless some other night has been selected. > Please let us know. It might be a good opportunity to simply join another get together. I spotted this one by a guy who works at Technorati for Mac Small Business people: http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2005/12/mac_small_busin.html#comme nts Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 10:45:59 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:45:59 -0800 Subject: Standalone settings In-Reply-To: References: <43BC31AF.3080704@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43BD3F37.4070603@comcast.net> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >>1) Is this destroyStack property different than the setting in the Stack >>inspector? In other words, if you've set it with the Stack inspector, >>should you also do it here or is that redundant? >> >> > >This setting allows you to have the destroyStack property OFF when >editing and ON in the standalone (or vice versa, though I can't see >why anyone would need that). > > > >>2) Is there a reason one wouldn't want to use the Encrypt setting, >>specifically with the Main stack? If you select this for the Main stack, >>what purpose would the password serve since you wouldn't be editing it? >> >> > >If it is a project that you want to distribute, turn it on for all the >stacks as it stops people being able to read the scripts by opeing the >stack files in a text editor. However during development, it may be >better to leave it off so that you can edit separate sub-stacks in >place more conveniently. > > Thanks Sarah - that's kind of what I thought but wanted to make sure. Marty Knapp From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu Thu Jan 5 10:49:24 2006 From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:49:24 -0600 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <1075646897-121546924@lindbergh.macserve.net> References: <1075646897-121546924@lindbergh.macserve.net> Message-ID: <60781F9E-5296-40A4-A763-B82A29F5069B@unlserve.unl.edu> I will be at MacWorld and would like to attend any RunRev or RunRev- related sessions. Dave Brooks On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> I never saw a summary of when we can meet at Macworld. I also >> suggest Tuesday unless some other night has been selected. >> Please let us know. From rcozens at pon.net Thu Jan 5 11:15:44 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:15:44 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.10.1.20060104213236.01969338@pon.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060105081015.01a8b8a0@pon.net> Paul, >I cannot close the stack "X2", therefore your solution it's >not applicable. Can your design allow you to separate the images in "X2" from the resources that must be opened? (If not, why not?) Keep what needs to be open in "X2" and place the images in new stack, "X4". (There's no reason "X2" can't use the image resources in "X4" just as "X1" does.) Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From david at openpartnership.net Wed Jan 4 12:07:43 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:07:43 +0100 Subject: MVC (was Text database using custom properties) In-Reply-To: <439EC159.6010401@rtl.org> References: <439A1DC0.9070002@btinternet.com> <3760C117-C2FE-4352-9A0A-5AEEC455DD60@openpartnership.net> <439D9B7D.4020106@rtl.org> <1132185853.20051212104245@ahsoftware.net> <439DD6DA.60101@rtl.org> <8625729056.20051212171508@ahsoftware.net> <439EC159.6010401@rtl.org> Message-ID: On 13 Dec 2005, at 13:40, Dave LeYanna wrote: >> Dave Bovill and I have taken somewhat different approaches to a >> runrev >> implementation of an MVC architecture. I'm not sure if Dave's made >> his >> public yet, but you can see mine on revonline. You may not like it if >> you're used to a traditional MVC construct, as I've turned it some 90 >> degrees and put the burden on the model rather than the controller, >> but I think it fits with xtalk better that way. At any rate it may >> give you some ideas of how you want to implement things. Yes - I've put a lot of work into this (inspired by mark's demo). What I am thinking would be a good demonstration of how MVC can add to the collaboration possibilities inherent with Revolution is to release this for a tree widget. There are several different versions and data models for outliners / tree widgets floating around and by adding an MVC architecture the developer can not only customise a single tree widget for many purposes, but also switch between data models. This gives other developers the ability to fork / improve the speed and robustness of the implementation by cloning or creating a new data model (while still using the same tree widget view). It also allows users to easily switch / upgrade to alternative data models? From rcozens at pon.net Thu Jan 5 12:20:27 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:20:27 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060105090656.0196b600@pon.net> Paul, >Can your design allow you to separate the images in "X2" from the >resources that must be opened? A simpler solution?: on switchLibraries stop using stack currentLibrary -- may need to be tweaked? close stack currentLibrary set the itemDelimiter to "/" get item -1 of currentLibrary if it is "x3.rev" then start using stack imagePath1 put imagePath1 into currentLibrary else start using stack imagePath2 put imagePath2 into currentLibrary end if send "refreshButtons" to this stack in 1 tick if currentLibrary is imagePath2 then stop using stack imagePath2 close stack imagePath2 lock messages -- [?] open stack imagePath1 -- &/or start using ? unlock messages -- don't change currentLibrary, so the next call will toggle [may cause problems in line 1 & 2 above] end if end switchLibraries Experience shows us the icons won't change if refreshButtons is not sent to the stack. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Thu Jan 5 13:29:24 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:29:24 -0500 Subject: Rev and Unicenter ServicePlus R11 Message-ID: Hello my fellow listers, Has anyone had any experience using Revolution with the CA Unicenter Software? or Harvard/IITIL Project Managemen software? I have a client that does extensive solutions for these systems and I am planning on doing RAD prototypes for some GUIs for him and since I don't have experience with the actual software/systems I was wondering if 'actual' working solutions could also be developed for him. This would be a big advantage for me. Thanks in advance, Tom Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyrivermetalart.com Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net Thu Jan 5 13:36:42 2006 From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:36:42 +0100 Subject: Runrev 2.2.1 bugs under linux -- XML doesn't WORK ! Message-ID: <20060105193642.1b82f32b.dam-pro.girard@laposte.net> Hi all, Runtime Revolution <= 2.5 doesen't work at all on my linux operating system (Gentoo Linux), so I use revolution 2.2.1 who "seem" to work fine. -- XML doesn't WORK ! I am writting a very powerful, translation, resizing library who use at 300% XML (everything is in XML). Recently, I wanted to port my software under linux. And when I launched the library, a lot of error have been returned, and the bug doesn't come from my library, I saw that when I done this command in the message box: -- put revXMLTrees() Message execution error: Error description: Function: error in function handler -- Very nasty bug, XML work under runrev 2.6.1. But, only runrev 2.2.1 work on my computer, because the GTK+ look and feel block runrev. So I am forced to use vmWare for make software who use this library under linux, and I don't like that. --------- I am using a traditional Window manager (Xfce), Xfce look like CDE but he is wrote in GTK+. And I wanted to try the command "wmPlace", for permit to my Window manager to place windows, but when I try this command, I have got that error on the message box : set the wmPlace to true Message execution error: Error description: Chunk: can't find object --------- I am waiting for a runrev who doesn't contains any bug under linux. But, maybe this is a dream... -- Girard Damien Email : dam-pro.girard at laposte.net From kkaufman at snet.net Thu Jan 5 13:52:46 2006 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:52:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Problem running rev 2.2.1 on Windows XP Message-ID: <20060105185246.11706.qmail@web81611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, is there any chance that your stack (or standalone) needs to access data (other stacks, substacks, or other media) and expects to find it in a particular location? If so, moving the stack (or standalone) from its original location might prevent it from functioning properly. Kurt From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 14:20:35 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:20:35 -0800 Subject: Instructional Video Message-ID: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> This is not exactly a Rev question, but I'm wanting to create some instructional videos for my forthcoming "KeywordCruncher" program and wondered if there's anyone who has done that and could recommend some software for the Mac. Basically I want to do a "look-over-my shoulder" kind of tutorial with a voice over. It will most likely be accessed on a web page. Thanks, Marty Knapp From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com Thu Jan 5 14:41:30 2006 From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:41:30 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD In-Reply-To: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> References: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> Message-ID: Is there going to be any Runrev presence at MACWORLD this year? I remember a while ago it was in the developer's area... sqb -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jan 5 15:01:10 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:01:10 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD In-Reply-To: References: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43BD7B06.9030702@fourthworld.com> Stephen Barncard wrote: > Is there going to be any Runrev presence at MACWORLD this year? I > remember a while ago it was in the developer's area... I haven't heard anything from them on this, but with any luck they'll be skipping this one. Don't get me wrong: Macworld is a lot of fun for us attendees, but it's very, very expensive for exhibitors, esp. those who need to book international flights (on top of the per diem expenses, booth costs, etc., not to mention the opportunity costs: staff at a trade show aren't in the office working on the product). In terms of ROI, smaller developers can get more bang for the buck with any number of other strategic marketing moves. Even much bigger companies like Adobe have sat out on a MacWorld or two -- including Apple themselves. My hope is that RunRev does the same for a while, focusing on enhancing the product instead (specifically, the items on my wish list ). -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From soapdog at mac.com Thu Jan 5 15:04:57 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:04:57 -0200 Subject: Instructional Video In-Reply-To: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> References: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0B3A9B24-2809-4F5E-BD24-2536CE4DCEDB@mac.com> On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > This is not exactly a Rev question, but I'm wanting to create some > instructional videos for my forthcoming "KeywordCruncher" program > and wondered if there's anyone who has done that and could > recommend some software for the Mac. Basically I want to do a "look- > over-my shoulder" kind of tutorial with a voice over. It will most > likely be accessed on a web page. > > Thanks, > > Marty Knapp Marty, check out Snapz Pro, it can record your screen and will accept input from the sound system and the internal mic, very nice. http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/ Andre > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Jan 5 15:21:50 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:21:50 -0600 Subject: imageSource Stored in Destination Stack In-Reply-To: <20060105061315.51758.qmail@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060105061315.51758.qmail@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BD7FDE.7080105@hyperactivesw.com> Kathy Jaqua wrote: > Thanks Jacqueline, > > I have a field with about 350 ImageSources. > I use the following format: > set the clipboardData["image"] to image gImage -- > (this is the image the user picked) > but on a Paste into the new stack I lose the image > name. That doesn't matter, because the imagesource references by ID. > If I get the selection of an imageSource from the > field and go to a new stack > should I: > 1. paste the original image and then hide it? Is it > the same image as the imageSource since I have lost > the image name on the paste. You could do it that way, but the ID will change. The name doesn't matter, but you'll need to get the ID of the last image after the paste happens. Then use that number of build a new imagesource tag in the field. > > 2. then paste (at the mouse click) the Imagesource > into the new field? Yes, but it won't work until you change the ID that the imagesource is using. It might be easier to just build a new imagesource tag using the correct ID number and insert that into the htmltext before setting the field to use the new text. > > What is the difference between 'copy img' and > 'clipboardData["image"]'? The "copy to " command bypasses the clipboard entirely and duplicates the image directly to the new location. Current clipboard contents are not disturbed. Setting the clipboardData does alter the clipboard contents and requires you to paste the content in order to get the image duplicated to the new location. You can use either method. One advantage to the "copy to location" command is that if the image that you are copying is already invisible, it will remain invisible after it is duplicated, so the user won't see the image flashing on and off as they would if you paste/hide it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 5 15:20:26 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:20:26 -0600 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: <000e01c6119d$629075d0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000e01c6119d$629075d0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43BD7F8A.80009@chipp.com> Thanks Scott for creating this demo. I'll be sure and put a link to it on our altSQLite website. best, Chipp Scott Kane wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've added a demo that expands some of the techniques > used in using altSQLite as a database. Most importantly > the scripts for data entry style stacks. It can be obtained > under the Programming section of RevOnline and the stack is > called altDemoSQL Note - to use this stack you need to first > download and run the official Altuit stack from: > > < http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm > > > Scott From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 5 15:26:55 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:26:55 -0600 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> References: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <43BD810F.1070806@chipp.com> Mark, I'm wondering why you're using backScripts instead of library stacks? I can understand using frontScripts, but backScripts are limited in number vs library stacks (outside development), and IMO typically reserved for 1) scripts of objects other than stacks; (see libURL) 2) runtime when you know you'll never exceed the max number of backScripts (10) Just curious. Chipp From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Jan 5 14:35:06 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:35:06 -0600 Subject: Runrev 2.2.1 bugs under linux -- XML doesn't WORK ! In-Reply-To: <20060105193642.1b82f32b.dam-pro.girard@laposte.net> Message-ID: On 1/5/06 12:36 PM, "Damien Girard" wrote: > Hi all, > > Runtime Revolution <= 2.5 doesen't work at all on my linux operating system > (Gentoo Linux), so I use revolution 2.2.1 who "seem" to work fine. > > -- XML doesn't WORK ! Damien, you might be interested in my all-Transcript XML Library, which by its very nature will work in all OSes. :-) Version 2.0 is soon to be released, so if you're interested, contact me offlist. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From lynn at paradigmasoft.com Thu Jan 5 15:34:04 2006 From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:04 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1075629214-122607936@lindbergh.macserve.net> > Is there going to be any Runrev presence at MACWORLD this > year? I remember a while ago it was in the developer's area... Dan Shafer and I talked about getting a BOF room, but MacWorld organizers said the BOF rooms were booked from last summer. That's why I suggested leveraging the Mac Business Dinner one. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jan 5 14:42:16 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:42:16 -0800 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> References: <20051123182541.720AF7F056@spatula.dreamhost.com> <10018726347.20051123143002@ahsoftware.net> <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> Message-ID: <1443556814.20060105114216@ahsoftware.net> Bill- Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 11:00:19 PM, you wrote: > I never saw a summary of when we can meet at Macworld. I also suggest > Tuesday unless some other night has been selected. Please let us know. Here's my suggestion: there's a Apple UG Volunteer Teams meeting on Tuesday at 4PM in the Users Group Lounge, room 250/252/256, depending on where you read it (up the escalator, west mezzanine in the south hall). It seems to be open to everyone. How about if we plan on convening there an see where that leads us? The 4-5PM slot is set aside for "networking". Sounds like it might be a good place to do some evangelizing anyway. The event list: http://www.ilenesmachine.com/partylist.shtml -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net Thu Jan 5 15:50:49 2006 From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:50:49 -0500 Subject: animations on card Message-ID: <002701c61239$b8e50350$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Is there a way to see the animations on a card besides using the revanimation.rev tool? From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jan 5 15:07:49 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:07:49 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1425090019.20060105120749@ahsoftware.net> Dick- Thursday, January 5, 2006, 1:15:46 AM, you wrote: > I suppose you meant "insert" rather than "put." urk. yes. > Are you implementing polymorphism for functions and commands? Sheesh! Was I that obvious about it? I was trying not to be... > Then when some event requires a change to a different substack, you can set > the uSubstack of stack "A" and not need to remove and insert scripts. Would > that work for you? No, unfortunately I don't think it would. I need to be able to load scripts from disk files place them into the message hierarchy in such a way that they are sort of peers with the substack scripts. What I'm looking at for this case is not just polymorphism, but being able to overload functions whose default instance is in my mainstack and whose overloaded instance is in a separate (not sub-) stack. It's working well enough now that I should be able to demonstrate it for you next week at the show. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rcozens at pon.net Thu Jan 5 16:11:52 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:11:52 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060105125747.019e6db8@pon.net> >> if currentLibrary is imagePath2 then stop using stack imagePath2 close stack imagePath2 lock messages -- [?] open stack imagePath1 -- &/or start using ? unlock messages -- don't change currentLibrary, so the next call will toggle [may cause problems in line 1 & 2 above] end if << actually needs to be at the end of the refreshButtons handler to work correctly. Another means of changing icons en mass would be to set button profiles with the appropriate icons. The downsides of this are (1) profiles -- at least for moi -- are prone to error if you don't know what you are doing (eg: changing a property which has not been identified in the current profile establishes identifies that property in the master profile), and (2) this keeps both sets of icons in RAM at all times. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From bvlahos at mac.com Thu Jan 5 16:27:45 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:27:45 -0800 Subject: How to download files from a web server Message-ID: I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url "http://server/path/stack.rev") and that works great so that all I have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets automatically updated the next time they run the standalone. However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those files actually need to located on the user's hard disk. How would I do that? Bill Vlahos From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 5 16:30:28 2006 From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:30:28 -0500 Subject: Problem running rev 2.2.1 on Windows XP Message-ID: Kurt, Thanks for your idea. I originally thought that something like that was the likely cause. However, here is what I discovered as a fix for the problem. I was indeed asking for a file to be retrieved. However, I put that particular script in a handler and placed it in the stack script. It wouldn't work there, so I tried placing the handler on the card - no luck. Next I just copied the script and replaced the call to the handler and it worked fine. I still don't understand why it would work on the desktop, but not from within the Program Files folder, but I seem to have solved my problem. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. John Miller From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 5 16:37:14 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:37:14 -0600 Subject: How to download files from a web server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BD918A.7000301@chipp.com> Hi Bill, you can do the same: put "C:/test.jpg" into tPath put URL ("http://www.myserver.com/myBinFile") into URL ("binFile:" & tPath) -Chipp Bill Vlahos wrote: > I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that automatically > downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url > "http://server/path/stack.rev") and that works great so that all I have > to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets > automatically updated the next time they run the standalone. > > However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get > updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those > files actually need to located on the user's hard disk. > > How would I do that? > > Bill Vlahos From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 5 17:02:57 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:02:57 +1100 Subject: A Custom Property Sets 'Database" In-Reply-To: <43BD7F8A.80009@chipp.com> Message-ID: <000801c61243$cd6e6230$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Chipp, > Thanks Scott for creating this demo. I'll be sure and put a > link to it > on our altSQLite website. No worries. I hope it's helpful to someone. I've received a lot of help from this list and am in the process of creating a couple of new app's (one is database based, the other is multi-media) and I owe it to the people here to getting started. I've become much more confident in Rev and am actually reading the dictionary in Rev. It's becoming readily apparent just how powerful Rev actually is. Scott From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jan 5 16:07:54 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:07:54 -0800 Subject: MVC (was Text database using custom properties) In-Reply-To: References: <439A1DC0.9070002@btinternet.com> <3760C117-C2FE-4352-9A0A-5AEEC455DD60@openpartnership.net> <439D9B7D.4020106@rtl.org> <1132185853.20051212104245@ahsoftware.net> <439DD6DA.60101@rtl.org> <8625729056.20051212171508@ahsoftware.net> <439EC159.6010401@rtl.org> Message-ID: <1298694391.20060105130754@ahsoftware.net> David- Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 9:07:43 AM, you wrote: > What I am thinking would be a good demonstration of how MVC can add > to the collaboration possibilities inherent with Revolution is to > release this for a tree widget. I'm looking forward to this... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mlange at lexicall.org Thu Jan 5 17:48:30 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:48:30 +0000 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> References: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Dear all, as promised, the surprise: I was not happy with tikiwiki for managing code snippets. So, there is now a new cms to host all the questions and answers about coding issues that appear on this mailing list. Features are: * All posts of the last month already included in the website (more than 400 pages already!) * As announced, xtalk code colorization, for ease of reading. * Taxonomy back end. Anybody familiar with the delicious way of tagging your material will feel at home here. Each entry is tagged with a few vocabulary terms that ensure very rapid localization of the information you are after. All tags appear on the right handside of the website. An interesting one to use is the "user level" category which should allow beginner user to more rapidly find out about the information that is relevant to them. New categories or new terms can easily be added. * For now, manual parsing, tagging, and editing guaranteeing quality of classification and interest of the posts. For the ones ready to help, I have a stack to help with rapid parsing of use-revolution digests... more about this later. I am not 100% happy with this stack yet. * Powerful search feature. As powerful as google, but limited to this website. Provides you contextual hints (what are the "categories" that have some matching pages) as well as highlighting. * Random tips on the top of the right page, to help you increase your knowledge of runrev. * RSS syndication... you can easily track any change made to the website from your favorite RSS reader * RSS aggregation... if you don't have a favorite RSS reader, you can easily keep an eye on the RSS feed of some popular programming website. * Voting feature. You find some information particularly interesting... vote for it so that others make sure they don't miss it. * User points. I use this website as an advanced scrapbook. Information will be updated regularly as I would do it anyway for my personal use. However, anybody is welcome to register and to ask for a moderator status which would allow them to add posts, administer aspects of the website or even add terms to the taxonomy. The quality of the taxonomy-based tagging, for instance, would greatly benefits from community participation. I have mentioned this feature to the runrev team and there is perhaps (perhaps... that will be based on evaluation after a few months of usage) a possibility for the most active contributors to be rewarded. A lot more is possible. You can check out the list of modules there: to know all modules that can be attached to this cms. How to use it.... use the use-revolution list to post emails and to post replies to post. I had mentioned the earlier on but in fact it doesn't make much of a difference if you use it or not, so you don't really need to bother. If you want to comment about something on the /codes website, best is to use the use-revolution list to do so with a link to the page on the cms (it will then look like ). Like many others, I prefer to have a single source of information to track. It's all yours. Enjoy. Feedback welcome!!! Marielle PS. the website has some "slow moments" because of congestions on the lexicall website or on my provider servers... best is then to wait for 5 minutes and then try again. I intend to move to a more reliable provider in a few weeks time. PS2. the open stacks gallery has now been updated with the holiday contributions. http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php From jerry at hytext.com Thu Jan 5 18:17:09 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:17:09 -0600 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes References: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <000901c6124e$2ab98c30$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marielle Lange" > as promised, the surprise: > > > Well, I was just going to commit the next three years of my life to creating something very, very similar in Revolution. Now it looks like I can pursue a new career.... maybe tournament bass fishing, or "extreme ironing"..... Congratulations, Marielle, on a monumental dynamic reference achievement! I"ll probably live on that site for the next four months. ---- Jerry Muelver From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Jan 5 18:31:15 2006 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:31:15 -0700 Subject: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so! Message-ID: I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to pull log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the contents for a report. After initially testing the concept with local files, today I realized that when you use the 'get URL "http:// myserver.com/myfile.log"' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file! I must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind. Before I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to pull a text file off a web server using the http protocol and retain the return characters? The whole point is I want users to be able to grab this report data off the server without having to worry about logging in, authenticating, etc. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From jazu at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 18:51:33 2006 From: jazu at comcast.net (James Z) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:51:33 -0800 Subject: Printing in Rev/Dreamcard In-Reply-To: <20060103143359.90A7F824F9A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: How accurately can Rev/Dreamcard print? Can I make marks on a data entry form? In HC I was using Postscript code to draw small rectangles (about 1/8 inch long) and precisely position them on some forms. Does Rev/Dreamcard have similar capabilities? I'd probably be printing to an Epson ink jet printer, but maybe a postscript printer. The main problem I ran into was not being able to print close enough to the paper edge, but this was mainly a printer problem. Thanks, James Z From jerry at hytext.com Thu Jan 5 18:55:41 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:55:41 -0600 Subject: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so! References: Message-ID: <000701c61253$8c3e8190$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Asay" > I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to pull > log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the contents > for a report. After initially testing the concept with local files, today > I realized that when you use the 'get URL "http:// > myserver.com/myfile.log"' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file! I > must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind. Before > I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to pull a text > file off a web server using the http protocol and retain the return > characters? I think the returns are there, but are converted to spaces by the browser, since that's the HTML way. I would try: get URL "http://myserver.com/myfile.log" put it into myText put "
" before myText
put "
" after myText
Then save myText to a file with a ".htm" extension, and point the browser to the file. ---- Jery Muelver From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jan 5 18:56:15 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:56:15 -0800 Subject: Printing in Rev/Dreamcard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BDB21F.3000702@fourthworld.com> James Z wrote: > How accurately can Rev/Dreamcard print? Can I make marks on a data entry > form? In HC I was using Postscript code to draw small rectangles (about 1/8 > inch long) and precisely position them on some forms. Does Rev/Dreamcard > have similar capabilities? I'd probably be printing to an Epson ink jet > printer, but maybe a postscript printer. > > The main problem I ran into was not being able to print close enough to the > paper edge, but this was mainly a printer problem. The good news is that you can position elements to pixel accuracy (~72dpi), and by setting the printMargins property you can use the full printable area available to your printer. The bad news is that you can't determine from within Rev what that printable area is. There's a request filed for this: In the meantime you can provide a custom dialog for your users to specify the printable area. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From dick.kriesel at mail.com Thu Jan 5 19:23:17 2006 From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:23:17 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <1425090019.20060105120749@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On 1/5/06 12:07 PM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: > What I'm > looking at for this case is not just polymorphism, but being able to > overload functions whose default instance is in my mainstack and whose > overloaded instance is in a separate (not sub-) stack. If the handlers in your main stack check the target, then they can provide the default implementations: function foo p put the uStack of me into tStack if (tStack is empty) \ or (the target is "stack" && quote & tStack & quote) then -- execute the default implementation, for example: put the long time into tResult else put value(the params,stack tStack) into tResult end if return tResult end foo on bar p put the uStack of me into tStack if (tStack is empty) \ or (the target is "stack" && quote & tStack & quote) then -- execute the default implementation, for example: put the long time into tResult else send the params to stack tStack put the result into tResult end if put tResult return tResult end bar With this technique, you can overload any handler without repeatedly removing and inserting scripts into front or back. I think. I see you're satisfied with your current approach, but do you see a problem with this technique? -- Dick From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 5 19:23:35 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:23:35 +1100 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <000a01c61257$746f8c40$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Marielle, This is a nice resource. Thank you! :-) Scott From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 19:42:21 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:42:21 +1000 Subject: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/6/06, Devin Asay wrote: > I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to > pull log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the > contents for a report. After initially testing the concept with local > files, today I realized that when you use the 'get URL "http:// > myserver.com/myfile.log"' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file! > I must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind. > Before I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to > pull a text file off a web server using the http protocol and retain > the return characters? What new line character does the log file use? it could be numToChar(10), numToChar(13) or CRLF (both together). Try getting the data and then checking for these three characters and replacing with CR. Cheers, Sarah From joel.guillod at net2000.ch Thu Jan 5 19:51:04 2006 From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:51:04 +0100 Subject: Applescript execution error under Rev but not Script Editor In-Reply-To: <20060105180003.CF6318255D7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060105180003.CF6318255D7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5162C7FE-8615-4B0A-B999-EE15BCE0A227@net2000.ch> The following Applescript does work successfully when run in the Script Editor but return an execution error when run with ?do fld "theScript" as Applescript?: THE SCRIPT: try tell application "Address Book" activate set theCard to person id "808C7253-74EA-4619- BC2D-3D030DEA63D9:ABPerson" tell me to assignPersonToGroup(theCard, "Patients") save addressbook end tell on error myError return myError end try on assignPersonToGroup(thePerson, theGroup) if (theGroup is not equal to "") then tell application "Address Book" set nameOfEveryGroup to name of every group if nameOfEveryGroup contains theGroup then set theGroupByID to group named theGroup add thePerson to theGroupByID else set newGroup to make new group with properties {name:theGroup} add thePerson to newGroup end if end tell end if end assignPersonToGroup THE ERROR: "Impossible de rendre ?class azf4? id \"808C7253-74EA-4619- BC2D-3D030DEA63D9:ABPerson\" of application \"Address Book\" dans le type attendu." translated in english: "impossible to render ?class azf4? id \"808C7253-74EA-4619-BC2D-3D030DEA63D9:ABPerson\" of application \"Address Book\" in the expected type". MY QUESTION: Any clue to be able to execute the Applescript also in Rev? Thanks. Jo?l From alex298298 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 20:42:07 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:42:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Instructional Video In-Reply-To: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060106014207.64706.qmail@web50404.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I think you can use flash to accomplish this. There is a website that has a lot of this kind of instructional videos. You may check if this is what you are looking for. http://AnyDemo.com Best regards Alex --- Marty Knapp wrote: > This is not exactly a Rev question, but I'm wanting > to create some > instructional videos for my forthcoming > "KeywordCruncher" program and > wondered if there's anyone who has done that and > could recommend some > software for the Mac. Basically I want to do a > "look-over-my shoulder" > kind of tutorial with a voice over. It will most > likely be accessed on a > web page. > > Thanks, > > Marty Knapp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 21:02:17 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:02:17 +1000 Subject: Applescript execution error under Rev but not Script Editor In-Reply-To: <5162C7FE-8615-4B0A-B999-EE15BCE0A227@net2000.ch> References: <20060105180003.CF6318255D7@mail.runrev.com> <5162C7FE-8615-4B0A-B999-EE15BCE0A227@net2000.ch> Message-ID: > The following Applescript does work successfully when run in the > Script Editor but return an execution error when run with ?do fld > "theScript" as Applescript?: > > THE SCRIPT: > try > tell application "Address Book" > activate > set theCard to person id "808C7253-74EA-4619- > BC2D-3D030DEA63D9:ABPerson" > tell me to assignPersonToGroup(theCard, "Patients") > save addressbook > end tell > on error myError > return myError > end try > > on assignPersonToGroup(thePerson, theGroup) > if (theGroup is not equal to "") then > tell application "Address Book" > set nameOfEveryGroup to name of every group > if nameOfEveryGroup contains theGroup then > set theGroupByID to group named theGroup > add thePerson to theGroupByID > else > set newGroup to make new group with properties {name:theGroup} > add thePerson to newGroup > end if > end tell > end if > end assignPersonToGroup > > > THE ERROR: > "Impossible de rendre ?class azf4? id \"808C7253-74EA-4619- > BC2D-3D030DEA63D9:ABPerson\" of application \"Address Book\" dans le > type attendu." > translated in english: "impossible to render ?class azf4? id > \"808C7253-74EA-4619-BC2D-3D030DEA63D9:ABPerson\" of application > \"Address Book\" in the expected type". > > MY QUESTION: Any clue to be able to execute the Applescript also in Rev? > Hi Joel, I have found that you can't use separate functions in AppleScripts run through Rev. Embeb the function's script in the main AppleScript handler and I think it will work. Cheers, Sarah From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Jan 5 21:04:06 2006 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:04:06 -0700 Subject: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C12E116-6A31-463A-A1E6-88ADF332DDB8@byu.edu> Sarah gets the prize. Once I calmed down and looked closer at the file I realized that all of the line endings were cr's (xtalk logical lines, produced on a Mac.) If I take the same files and save them from BBedit as unix or DOS format, the line breaks are preserved. So I just need to make sure I use a LF or CRLF as a line delimiter. Thanks for the help. Devin On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On 1/6/06, Devin Asay wrote: >> I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to >> pull log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the >> contents for a report. After initially testing the concept with local >> files, today I realized that when you use the 'get URL "http:// >> myserver.com/myfile.log"' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file! >> I must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind. >> Before I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to >> pull a text file off a web server using the http protocol and retain >> the return characters? > > What new line character does the log file use? it could be > numToChar(10), numToChar(13) or CRLF (both together). Try getting the > data and then checking for these three characters and replacing with > CR. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 22:00:37 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:00:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: MACWORLD -- but keep Monterey In-Reply-To: <43BD7B06.9030702@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <20060106030037.87464.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Richard Gaskin wrote: > My hope is that RunRev does the same for a > while, focusing on enhancing > the product instead ... but keep Monterey. Erik Hansen erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From alex298298 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 22:01:01 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Good RR Discussion Forum Running Since 2003 Message-ID: <20060106030101.92369.qmail@web50402.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Do you know the following RR discussion forum? http://esashi.org/yabb/YaBB.pl This RR discussion forum has been running since 2003 after the closing of 'RR Forum for Newbies'. I always get answers whenever I ask any questions about RR. Best regards Alex __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com Thu Jan 5 22:01:29 2006 From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:01:29 -0800 Subject: Printing in Rev/Dreamcard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In my own experience, accurate enough to print CD labels... "edge to edge" or full bleed printing is more a feature or limitation of the printer. >How accurately can Rev/Dreamcard print? Can I make marks on a data entry >form? In HC I was using Postscript code to draw small rectangles (about 1/8 >inch long) and precisely position them on some forms. Does Rev/Dreamcard >have similar capabilities? I'd probably be printing to an Epson ink jet >printer, but maybe a postscript printer. > >The main problem I ran into was not being able to print close enough to the >paper edge, but this was mainly a printer problem. > >Thanks, > >James Z -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jan 5 22:37:21 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:37:21 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD -- but keep Monterey In-Reply-To: <20060106030037.87464.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060106030037.87464.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BDE5F1.8020303@fourthworld.com> Erik Hansen wrote: > > --- Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > >>My hope is that RunRev does the same for a >>while, focusing on enhancing >>the product instead ... > > > but keep Monterey. And Malta (coming up in early November). Conferences devoted to the product have a much greater value for a small company than general computing trade shows, where the costs are far greater and the percentage of potential users is much smaller. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 5 22:54:12 2006 From: kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Jaqua) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:54:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: save for web name length Message-ID: <20060106035412.79272.qmail@web81110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all y'alls (or is it alls y'all?:-) Anyone know the limit of a png image "Save for Web" name length? I am using adobe CS2? Thanks Kathy Graves Jaqua A Wildest Dream Software San Francisco From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 5 23:46:32 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:46:32 -0600 Subject: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: <5C12E116-6A31-463A-A1E6-88ADF332DDB8@byu.edu> References: <5C12E116-6A31-463A-A1E6-88ADF332DDB8@byu.edu> Message-ID: <43BDF628.90503@chipp.com> Devin, You might also try saving the text file as a binFile and opening it. Just a thought. -Chipp Devin Asay wrote: > Sarah gets the prize. Once I calmed down and looked closer at the file > I realized that all of the line endings were cr's (xtalk logical lines, > produced on a Mac.) If I take the same files and save them from BBedit > as unix or DOS format, the line breaks are preserved. So I just need to > make sure I use a LF or CRLF as a line delimiter. From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk Thu Jan 5 23:48:40 2006 From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:48:40 +0000 Subject: save for web name length In-Reply-To: <20060106035412.79272.qmail@web81110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060106035412.79272.qmail@web81110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BDF6A8.6090106@harbourhost.co.uk> Hi Kathy, Presumably the same as for any other file on the web. If you stick to 31 characters or fewer (including the .png extension) you should be OK. Martin Kathy Jaqua wrote: > Hi all y'alls (or is it alls y'all?:-) > > Anyone know the limit of a png image "Save for Web" > name length? > I am using adobe CS2? > > Thanks From bvlahos at mac.com Thu Jan 5 23:57:35 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:57:35 -0800 Subject: How to download files from a web server In-Reply-To: <43BD918A.7000301@chipp.com> References: <43BD918A.7000301@chipp.com> Message-ID: Oh that is so cool. I couldn't image it would be that simple. I should have just tried it. Thanks Chipp. -Bill On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Bill, > > you can do the same: > > put "C:/test.jpg" into tPath > put URL ("http://www.myserver.com/myBinFile") into URL ("binFile:" & > tPath) > > -Chipp > > Bill Vlahos wrote: >> I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that >> automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url >> "http://server/path/stack.rev") and that works great so that all I >> have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets >> automatically updated the next time they run the standalone. >> However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get >> updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those >> files actually need to located on the user's hard disk. >> How would I do that? >> Bill Vlahos > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvlahos at mac.com Fri Jan 6 00:00:50 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:00:50 -0800 Subject: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so! In-Reply-To: <5C12E116-6A31-463A-A1E6-88ADF332DDB8@byu.edu> References: <5C12E116-6A31-463A-A1E6-88ADF332DDB8@byu.edu> Message-ID: <4447c5b26e6bd86748fa3145f2c8d567@mac.com> Yep. That's what I do. It works great. Bill On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > Sarah gets the prize. Once I calmed down and looked closer at the file > I realized that all of the line endings were cr's (xtalk logical > lines, produced on a Mac.) If I take the same files and save them from > BBedit as unix or DOS format, the line breaks are preserved. So I just > need to make sure I use a LF or CRLF as a line delimiter. > > Thanks for the help. > > Devin > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> On 1/6/06, Devin Asay wrote: >>> I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to >>> pull log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the >>> contents for a report. After initially testing the concept with local >>> files, today I realized that when you use the 'get URL "http:// >>> myserver.com/myfile.log"' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file! >>> I must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind. >>> Before I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to >>> pull a text file off a web server using the http protocol and retain >>> the return characters? >> >> What new line character does the log file use? it could be >> numToChar(10), numToChar(13) or CRLF (both together). Try getting the >> data and then checking for these three characters and replacing with >> CR. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 6 00:21:01 2006 From: kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Jaqua) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:21:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: save for web name length Message-ID: <20060106052101.152.qmail@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Martin 30... Um... OK I can do that I think. kathy Graves Jaqua From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Fri Jan 6 00:38:40 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:38:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Instructional Video In-Reply-To: <43BD7183.6030209@comcast.net> Message-ID: Marty, Try Ambrosia's Snapz Pro: http://www.ambrosiasw.com//utilities/snapzprox/ Worth its weight in gold, methinks, for this sort of thing... Judy On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Marty Knapp wrote: > This is not exactly a Rev question, but I'm wanting to create some > instructional videos for my forthcoming "KeywordCruncher" program and > wondered if there's anyone who has done that and could recommend some > software for the Mac. Basically I want to do a "look-over-my shoulder" > kind of tutorial with a voice over. It will most likely be accessed on a > web page. From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 6 02:14:12 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:14:12 -0600 Subject: Vb CommEvent in Rev In-Reply-To: <00e001c61168$05201f20$0a01a8c0@mobile1> Message-ID: On 1/4/06 1:49 PM, "Camm29" wrote: > Hi , > > Is there an equivalaint to Visual Basic CommEvent in Rev ? > > Can i tell if characters have arrived and ready to be Read from the Com Port > Buffer ? Well, I haven't done much with this myself, but my understanding is that you can open the COM port and read characters from it, and send characters to it... I don't know if there's a way to get an event when incoming data comes in, but you can continually read from the port, even if it's empty. It's something like: open driver "COM2:" read from driver "COM2:" for 10 chars in 2 seconds Check the Transcript Dictionary for "open driver" and "read from driver"... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jan 6 02:19:49 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:19:49 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11045412780.20060105231949@ahsoftware.net> Dick- Thursday, January 5, 2006, 4:23:17 PM, you wrote: > With this technique, you can overload any handler without repeatedly > removing and inserting scripts into front or back. I think. I see you're > satisfied with your current approach, but do you see a problem with this > technique? For my current conundrum, yes. I need not just polymorphism here, but I also have the case where functions in the library stack need to call a function in the mainstack. So there are (at least) three stacks involved: a mainstack, a second stack loaded from disk on the fly which needs to go in front of the mainstack objects, and a library substack of the mainstack. In order to maintain object separation (the library substack doesn't know or care about fields in the mainstack, data logging file particulars, etc) I now have the mainstack and substack as peer library stacks ("start using") and the stack that gets loaded from disk as a frontstack ("insert into"). The stack loaded on the fly needs, of course, to call functions in both the mainstack and substack; functions in the substack need to use the overloaded functions in the frontstack; and both need functions in the substack. If I were just dealing with overloading functions then your approach of value() or send would work, and that's what I was doing before life got complicated. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jan 6 02:26:52 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:26:52 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <43BD810F.1070806@chipp.com> References: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> <43BD810F.1070806@chipp.com> Message-ID: <18245836249.20060105232652@ahsoftware.net> Chipp- Thursday, January 5, 2006, 12:26:55 PM, you wrote: > I'm wondering why you're using backScripts instead of library stacks? I > can understand using frontScripts, but backScripts are limited in number > vs library stacks (outside development), and IMO typically reserved for > 1) scripts of objects other than stacks; (see libURL) > 2) runtime when you know you'll never exceed the max number of > backScripts (10) I just posted a longer reply to Dick's response. I *am* using library scripts now. I couldn't get a substack to work as a library stack before, but now it's working. I think I just hadn't cleaned out memory properly and my message hierarchy was messed up. Jacque's trick of using "stack x of stack y" got me past that point. But now that you mention it, my understanding is that library stacks function like backscripts in that the go behind the mainstack, but that they're peered, so they have access to each others' handlers. I take it that real backscripts stay behind library stacks in the message hierarchy? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jan 6 02:30:32 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:30:32 -0800 Subject: message hierarchy question In-Reply-To: <43BCAE63.3020207@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2629114774.20060104200203@ahsoftware.net> <43BCAE63.3020207@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <16746056235.20060105233032@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- > Try: > start using stack "substack 1" of stack "A" > That puts it in the back. My bad. It does work after all. I think I still had the message hierarchy messed up in memory and quitting and relaunching rev seems to have gotten things working. Thanks. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 02:46:42 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:46:42 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD In-Reply-To: <1075629214-122607936@lindbergh.macserve.net> References: <1075629214-122607936@lindbergh.macserve.net> Message-ID: <70ed6b130601052346v6f580152o53df10d27a36994d@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, this one fell through the cracks when I got sick and then stranded in the Sierra Foothills by weather. I'm open on Tuesday the 10th in the evening if someone wants to suggest an informal way for us to get together, but there's only a 50% chance I'll go at all since I've lost all this time. Dan On 1/5/06, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > Is there going to be any Runrev presence at MACWORLD this > > year? I remember a while ago it was in the developer's area... > > Dan Shafer and I talked about getting a BOF room, but MacWorld organizers > said the BOF rooms were booked from last summer. That's why I suggested > leveraging the Mac Business Dinner one. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software, Inc > > Joining Worlds of Information > > Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions > Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 02:44:48 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:44:48 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD -- but keep Monterey In-Reply-To: <43BDE5F1.8020303@fourthworld.com> References: <20060106030037.87464.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43BDE5F1.8020303@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <70ed6b130601052344g72afcee5y963712778cba5e41@mail.gmail.com> Probably self-evident but I thought I'd jump in and point out that RunRev doesn't run Malta or Monterey and therefore there is no conflict in focusing on the product and being one of several sponsors to the conferences we're staging. On 1/5/06, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Erik Hansen wrote: > > > > --- Richard Gaskin > > wrote: > > > > > >>My hope is that RunRev does the same for a > >>while, focusing on enhancing > >>the product instead ... > > > > > > but keep Monterey. > > And Malta (coming up in early November). > > Conferences devoted to the product have a much greater value for a small > company than general computing trade shows, where the costs are far > greater and the percentage of potential users is much smaller. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 02:48:00 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:48:00 -0800 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <1443556814.20060105114216@ahsoftware.net> References: <20051123182541.720AF7F056@spatula.dreamhost.com> <10018726347.20051123143002@ahsoftware.net> <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> <1443556814.20060105114216@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <70ed6b130601052348o4bbcf9ecr951f826bdf19c613@mail.gmail.com> I can try to make that. On 1/5/06, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bill- > > Wednesday, January 4, 2006, 11:00:19 PM, you wrote: > > > I never saw a summary of when we can meet at Macworld. I also suggest > > Tuesday unless some other night has been selected. Please let us know. > > Here's my suggestion: there's a Apple UG Volunteer Teams meeting on > Tuesday at 4PM in the Users Group Lounge, room 250/252/256, depending > on where you read it (up the escalator, west mezzanine in the south > hall). It seems to be open to everyone. How about if we plan on > convening there an see where that leads us? The 4-5PM slot is set > aside for "networking". Sounds like it might be a good place to do > some evangelizing anyway. > > The event list: > http://www.ilenesmachine.com/partylist.shtml > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Jan 6 03:58:07 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:58:07 +0100 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> References: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <2333645F-F75D-457B-A65B-057B8E37CA1F@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Marielle, I thought you were a woman. I know now you are a large team ;-) Amazing work! Le 5 janv. 06 ? 23:48, Marielle Lange a ?crit : > as promised, the surprise: Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From see3d at writeme.com Fri Jan 6 07:56:59 2006 From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:56:59 -0500 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> References: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <99547FC8-262A-4C87-923E-567EA830D184@writeme.com> Just one word....WOW!!!! Thanks, Dennis On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: > Dear all, > > as promised, the surprise: > > > From europe at ehug.info Fri Jan 6 08:16:08 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:16:08 +0100 Subject: animations on card In-Reply-To: <002701c61239$b8e50350$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> References: <002701c61239$b8e50350$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Message-ID: <43BE6D98.6050607@ehug.info> Hi Preston, You can easily script objects to move around on the card. You can also make a series of pictures and display them sequentially as the icon of a button. For example, if you have a series of images, which compose an animation together, you could use a script like the following. on animate repeat with x = 8080 to 8089 set the icon of btn "Animation" to x wait 120 millisecs end repeat end animate If you think that moving objects is what you need, you really should have a look at ArcadeEngine, which is available here: There is also a forum where users and the author of AE give support: Best, Mark Preston Shea wrote: > Is there a way to see the animations on a card besides using the revanimation.rev tool? -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From david at openpartnership.net Thu Jan 5 09:05:30 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:05:30 +0100 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> References: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Message-ID: On 5 Jan 2006, at 23:48, Marielle Lange wrote: > Dear all, > > as promised, the surprise: > > Very nice - and Drupal too - think this is probably the best choice for a general purpose open source CMS around at the moment. Great work! From david at openpartnership.net Thu Jan 5 09:22:32 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:22:32 +0100 Subject: Webservices XML and how to do it better (was XML doesn't WORK !) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Found this interesting link while researching into Yahoo web services: http://www.crockford.com/JSON/xml.html JSON is a simplified alternative to XML for date-interchange with the added advantage of working with the Javascript DOM., as such it seems a very good format for those interested in using XML for data- interchange between programs. In the web service / AJAX world this is even better as the format compiles directly to the javascript object model - so easy to use by your HTML pages. What does this mean for Rev? Well - only just came across this link - but by using JSON instead of XML for your server side responses you have an even easier way to create both RunRev clients and AJAX style versions for web pages.... On 5 Jan 2006, at 20:35, Ken Ray wrote: > Damien, you might be interested in my all-Transcript XML Library, > which by > its very nature will work in all OSes. :-) > > Version 2.0 is soon to be released, so if you're interested, > contact me > offlist. Any chance of writing a JSON parser - should be super simple after all the hard work with XML :) From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 6 10:11:24 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:11:24 -0600 Subject: Webservices XML and how to do it better (was XML doesn't WORK !) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/5/06 8:22 AM, "David Bovill" wrote: > Found this interesting link while researching into Yahoo web services: > > http://www.crockford.com/JSON/xml.html Looks very interesting... > What does this mean for Rev? Well - only just came across this link - > but by using JSON instead of XML for your server side responses you > have an even easier way to create both RunRev clients and AJAX style > versions for web pages.... > > > On 5 Jan 2006, at 20:35, Ken Ray wrote: > >> Damien, you might be interested in my all-Transcript XML Library, >> which by >> its very nature will work in all OSes. :-) >> >> Version 2.0 is soon to be released, so if you're interested, >> contact me >> offlist. > > Any chance of writing a JSON parser - should be super simple after > all the hard work with XML :) True - looks pretty easy! :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From bvlahos at mac.com Fri Jan 6 10:19:16 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:19:16 -0800 Subject: How to download files from a web server In-Reply-To: <43BD918A.7000301@chipp.com> References: <43BD918A.7000301@chipp.com> Message-ID: <919997625bf135c36f2812f3bbc56c02@mac.com> How can I tell when all of the files are finished downloading? Bill On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Bill, > > you can do the same: > > put "C:/test.jpg" into tPath > put URL ("http://www.myserver.com/myBinFile") into URL ("binFile:" & > tPath) > > -Chipp > > Bill Vlahos wrote: >> I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that >> automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url >> "http://server/path/stack.rev") and that works great so that all I >> have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets >> automatically updated the next time they run the standalone. >> However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get >> updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those >> files actually need to located on the user's hard disk. >> How would I do that? >> Bill Vlahos > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From christian.langers at education.lu Fri Jan 6 13:21:18 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:21:18 +0100 Subject: speed up loading time of referenced imgs... References: <677A53D7-4F99-4907-9EF1-67F667733968@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello all, does anybody know how to speed up this process ? in my cd script i have these lines (among others)... (tags for Marielle ;-) ) repeat with i=1 to 16 put line i of gTempVar into tempBiller[i] end repeat show grp "wuart" with visual dissolve very fast repeat with x=1 to 16 set filename of img x of grp "fotos" to (gF_Path&tempBiller[x]&".jpg") set the thumbpos of scrollbar "ziel" of grp "wuart" to x end repeat The average size of the images (1075x780) are about 220 kb and the referenced images have sizes as follows w=178,h=128 Thanks for any ideas, Christian L. From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 6 13:51:49 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:51:49 -0600 Subject: How to download files from a web server In-Reply-To: <919997625bf135c36f2812f3bbc56c02@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/6/06 9:19 AM, "Bill Vlahos" wrote: > How can I tell when all of the files are finished downloading? > How can I tell when all of the files are finished downloading? Well, if you're using 'put URL', then it is a blocking command, meaning that you don't go to the next script line until it is done downloading. This should mean that if you're in a repeat loop, you're finished downloading when the repeat loop is over. The other possibility is to use "load url", which is *non-blocking*, and then periodically check the urlStatus of the url you're working on to see how far it's gotten. HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Fri Jan 6 13:56:01 2006 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0800 Subject: MACWORLD In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130601052346v6f580152o53df10d27a36994d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060106185610.B51B67F033@spatula.dreamhost.com> Im already booked on the 10th. Im going to go to the Mac Business dinner anyway, so if others are interested in touching base there, that would be great. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Dan Shafer > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:47 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: MACWORLD > > Yeah, this one fell through the cracks when I got sick and > then stranded in the Sierra Foothills by weather. > > I'm open on Tuesday the 10th in the evening if someone wants > to suggest an informal way for us to get together, but > there's only a 50% chance I'll go at all since I've lost all > this time. > > Dan > > > On 1/5/06, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > > Is there going to be any Runrev presence at MACWORLD this year? I > > > remember a while ago it was in the developer's area... > > > > Dan Shafer and I talked about getting a BOF room, but MacWorld > > organizers said the BOF rooms were booked from last summer. > That's why > > I suggested leveraging the Mac Business Dinner one. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Fredricks > > President > > Paradigma Software, Inc > > > > Joining Worlds of Information > > > > Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with > > Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author > http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software > at the Speed of Thought" > >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 6 13:49:24 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:49:24 -0600 Subject: speed up loading time of referenced imgs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/6/06 12:21 PM, "Christian Langers" wrote: > Hello all, > > does anybody know how to speed up this process ? Well, you could remove the visual effect - that should speed it up. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jan 6 14:25:13 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:25:13 -0800 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130601052348o4bbcf9ecr951f826bdf19c613@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051123182541.720AF7F056@spatula.dreamhost.com> <10018726347.20051123143002@ahsoftware.net> <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> <1443556814.20060105114216@ahsoftware.net> <70ed6b130601052348o4bbcf9ecr951f826bdf19c613@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458762279.20060106112513@ahsoftware.net> Dan- Thursday, January 5, 2006, 11:48:00 PM, you wrote: > I can try to make that. Cool. Two of us sounds like critical mass to me. I'll plan on being there right after Joshua Redman's set. I'll probably have to miss the Small Business dinner on Wednesday since I'd like to be back in the East Bay, but that one also sounds good. I notice there's a Small Business BOF at 6 before the dinner as well. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jan 6 14:37:03 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:37:03 -0800 Subject: Webservices XML and how to do it better (was XML doesn't WORK !) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29472680.20060106113703@ahsoftware.net> Ken- Friday, January 6, 2006, 7:11:24 AM, you wrote: >> Any chance of writing a JSON parser - should be super simple after >> all the hard work with XML :) > True - looks pretty easy! It'll be hard to beat the one-line Ruby parser: null=nil; jsonobj = eval(json.gsub(/(["'])\s*:\s*(['"0-9tfn\[{])/){"#{$1}=>#{$2}"}) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Fri Jan 6 14:41:42 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:41:42 -0500 Subject: CGIs and Global Variables Message-ID: <0221C2EF-8D8C-44BD-AFD1-351FF08E22EA@videotron.ca> Hello everyone, Just want to confirm that it's OK to use global variables in stack handlers that will be called by CGIs because the engine creates an instance of the stack specific to the user. Gregory From jazu at comcast.net Fri Jan 6 15:38:12 2006 From: jazu at comcast.net (James Z) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:38:12 -0800 Subject: printing In-Reply-To: <20060106025159.8CD0382511F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Richard Gaskin wrote: On 1/5/06 6:51 PM, "use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com" wrote: >> How accurately can Rev/Dreamcard print? Can I make marks on a data entry >> form? In HC I was using Postscript code to draw small rectangles (about 1/8 >> inch long) and precisely position them on some forms. Does Rev/Dreamcard >> have similar capabilities? I'd probably be printing to an Epson ink jet >> printer, but maybe a postscript printer. >> >> The main problem I ran into was not being able to print close enough to the >> paper edge, but this was mainly a printer problem. > > The good news is that you can position elements to pixel accuracy > (~72dpi), and by setting the printMargins property you can use the full > printable area available to your printer. > > The bad news is that you can't determine from within Rev what that > printable area is. > > There's a request filed for this: > > > In the meantime you can provide a custom dialog for your users to > specify the printable area. Maybe I should be more specific, I need to define a 'mark' measuring 1/16 inch by 1/8 inch, and position 36 of them at exact locations (within 1/16 inch of the desired position), which change with each job. Or more simply I want to print marks on a printed form that is then scanned and the device prints a ticket fr0m the scanned info. In Postscript I defined the marks and the page dimensions and then shold have been able to position the marks so they'd print accurately. I say should have because personal issues took away my free time and I never got to complete the project. Can I do this in Rev/Dreamcard? James Z. From jimlyons at earthlink.net Fri Jan 6 15:41:38 2006 From: jimlyons at earthlink.net (Jim Lyons) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:41:38 -0500 Subject: save for web name length In-Reply-To: <20060106180003.2F7BF194C01C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060106180003.2F7BF194C01C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <636e960c8d9d0d398813ab5c2a534fa8@earthlink.net> On Jan 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Kathy Graves wrote: > Hi all y'alls (or is it alls y'all?:-) The correct plural form of y'all is "all y'all". ;^) Jim Lyons from the sunny South US From david at openpartnership.net Thu Jan 5 15:43:48 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:43:48 +0100 Subject: Webservices XML and how to do it better (was XML doesn't WORK !) In-Reply-To: <29472680.20060106113703@ahsoftware.net> References: <29472680.20060106113703@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <7267DF2B-DDD2-4993-8071-EA08A0D53027@openpartnership.net> Not too good in ruby - but all the work here is done in the regular expression no? Then use the same cheat to string a couple of rev lines together? On 6 Jan 2006, at 20:37, Mark Wieder wrote: > It'll be hard to beat the one-line Ruby parser: > > > null=nil; jsonobj = eval(json.gsub(/(["'])\s*:\s*(['"0-9tfn\[{])/) > {"#{$1}=>#{$2}"}) > From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 6 16:15:58 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:15:58 -0600 Subject: CGIs and Global Variables In-Reply-To: <0221C2EF-8D8C-44BD-AFD1-351FF08E22EA@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On 1/6/06 1:41 PM, "Gregory Lypny" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just want to confirm that it's OK to use global variables in stack > handlers that will be called by CGIs because the engine creates an > instance of the stack specific to the user. Yes, that's the case - it acts like any other CGI AFAICT - when a request comes into the server, it launches an instance of the CGI for the requester, and then quits it when it's done. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From david at openpartnership.net Thu Jan 5 16:35:33 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:35:33 +0100 Subject: CGIs and Global Variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now wouldn't it be nice to have a fastCgi (http://www.fastcgi.com/) language bindings to Rev? Now that you could build an open source strategy around! On 6 Jan 2006, at 22:15, Ken Ray wrote: > On 1/6/06 1:41 PM, "Gregory Lypny" wrote: > > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just want to confirm that it's OK to use global variables in stack >> handlers that will be called by CGIs because the engine creates an >> instance of the stack specific to the user. >> > > Yes, that's the case - it acts like any other CGI AFAICT - when a > request > comes into the server, it launches an instance of the CGI for the > requester, > and then quits it when it's done. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:04:44 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:04:44 +1000 Subject: How to download files from a web server In-Reply-To: References: <919997625bf135c36f2812f3bbc56c02@mac.com> Message-ID: > > How can I tell when all of the files are finished downloading? > > Well, if you're using 'put URL', then it is a blocking command, meaning that > you don't go to the next script line until it is done downloading. This > should mean that if you're in a repeat loop, you're finished downloading > when the repeat loop is over. > > The other possibility is to use "load url", which is *non-blocking*, and > then periodically check the urlStatus of the url you're working on to see > how far it's gotten. Or use "load URL with message" which calls a specified handler when the download is finished e.g. -- start the download load URL tURL with message "downloadFinished" and then a separate handler: on downloadFinished pURL, pStatus if pStatus = "error" then -- handle the download failure else -- transfer the already downloaded data to a variable put URL pURL into tDownloadedData -- clear the downloaded copy from cache to save memory unload URL pURL -- process the file doStuff tDownloadedData end downloadFinished HTH, Sarah From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 17:27:37 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:27:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT down home: how y'all was? In-Reply-To: <636e960c8d9d0d398813ab5c2a534fa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060106222737.99816.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jim Lyons wrote: > On Jan 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Kathy Graves wrote: > > > Hi all y'alls (or is it alls y'all?:-) > > The correct plural form of y'all is "all > y'all". ;^) > > Jim Lyons > from the sunny South US "how y'all was?" is correct Cajun. Erik Hansen erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From chipp at chipp.com Fri Jan 6 17:52:53 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:52:53 -0600 Subject: [ANN] altBrowser news.. Message-ID: <43BEF4C5.3070506@chipp.com> altBrowser, the embedded browser external for Revolution on Mac and PC, is now sold exclusively through Altuit. Altuit announces special pricing on altBrowser for a limited time: $99 includes next generation altBrowser! Altuit will soon be releasing altBrowser 2 with multiple instance support, get and set the selected text and other enhancements. The new retail price for altBrowser 2 will be $149, but if you purchase altBrowser from Altuit after January 1, 2006, you will receive a free upgrade to altBrowser 2 when it ships! As soon as altBrowser ships, (planned within 2 weeks), this pricing will go away. There will be a special upgrade offer for a short period of time after release for existing users of altBrowser as well. Stay tuned to RevCentral for more information. (www.revcentral.com to subscribe) http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/AltBrowserSub/Buy.htm Also, we will be announcing several new products and upgrades to existing Altuit products very soon! best, Chipp From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jan 6 18:40:01 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:40:01 -0800 Subject: Mac Menubar (now it's my turn. . .) Message-ID: <43BEFFD1.8010405@comcast.net> Well, I've read the scripting conference stack, the Docs and looked thru the archives . . . Using the menubuilder, I make a default menubar - no changes at all to the default menu items. Build as a standalone for OSX & Win. Windows works fine, the Mac version crashes when I try to launch it. Go back in, deselect the menus as a menubar, try again and it works fine. It always works in the IDE. I'm using Rev 2.2.1 enterprise. Any clues for me? Marty Knapp From katir at hindu.org Fri Jan 6 21:58:49 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:58:49 -1000 Subject: [OT] .ds_store Messing Up ZIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ditto that here... I use DropZip nearly every day... skts On Jan 03, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > I ran into the same problem and bought Stuffit so I could use > DropZip... > this creates a "clean" zip file, which I use whenever I know the > other user > may or may not have OS X. It's served me well... From scott at proherp.com Fri Jan 6 22:30:48 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:30:48 +1100 Subject: A Stack Of Errors Message-ID: <000001c6133a$c3638cf0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi all, While waiting for a rather long DVD to burn (meaning I didn't have enough RAM available to load a real project) I created this little stack out of boredom. It's called "Mr Error" and is available from RevOnline under the "General" catogory. Scott From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Jan 7 00:34:27 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:34:27 -0800 Subject: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006 In-Reply-To: <458762279.20060106112513@ahsoftware.net> References: <20051123182541.720AF7F056@spatula.dreamhost.com> <10018726347.20051123143002@ahsoftware.net> <003d183c6252c53744e840edb31d2892@mac.com> <1443556814.20060105114216@ahsoftware.net> <70ed6b130601052348o4bbcf9ecr951f826bdf19c613@mail.gmail.com> <458762279.20060106112513@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I'll be there too. Bill Vlahos On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Dan- > > Thursday, January 5, 2006, 11:48:00 PM, you wrote: > >> I can try to make that. > > Cool. Two of us sounds like critical mass to me. I'll plan on being > there right after Joshua Redman's set. I'll probably have to miss the > Small Business dinner on Wednesday since I'd like to be back in the > East Bay, but that one also sounds good. I notice there's a Small > Business BOF at 6 before the dinner as well. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Jan 7 00:44:08 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:44:08 -0800 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> References: <20051230113551.5E2DF8250BE@mail.runrev.com> <29C1D15D-73C1-4857-85C4-E03F4D044D96@lexicall.org> Message-ID: Very nice. What is the technology behind this? Is it done in Rev or something else? Bill Vlahos On Jan 5, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: > Dear all, > > as promised, the surprise: > > > > I was not happy with tikiwiki for managing code snippets. So, there is > now a new cms to host all the questions and answers about coding > issues that appear on this mailing list. > > Features are: > * All posts of the last month already included in the website (more > than 400 pages already!) > > * As announced, xtalk code colorization, for ease of reading. > > * Taxonomy back end. Anybody familiar with the delicious way of > tagging your material will feel at home here. Each entry is tagged > with a few vocabulary terms that ensure very rapid localization of the > information you are after. All tags appear on the right handside of > the website. An interesting one to use is the "user level" category > which should allow beginner user to more rapidly find out about the > information that is relevant to them. New categories or new terms can > easily be added. > > * For now, manual parsing, tagging, and editing guaranteeing quality > of classification and interest of the posts. For the ones ready to > help, I have a stack to help with rapid parsing of use-revolution > digests... more about this later. I am not 100% happy with this stack > yet. > > * Powerful search feature. As powerful as google, but limited to this > website. Provides you contextual hints (what are the "categories" that > have some matching pages) as well as highlighting. > > * Random tips on the top of the right page, to help you increase your > knowledge of runrev. > > * RSS syndication... you can easily track any change made to the > website from your favorite RSS reader > > * RSS aggregation... if you don't have a favorite RSS reader, you can > easily keep an eye on the RSS feed of some popular programming > website. > > * Voting feature. You find some information particularly > interesting... vote for it so that others make sure they don't miss > it. > > * User points. I use this website as an advanced scrapbook. > Information will be updated regularly as I would do it anyway for my > personal use. However, anybody is welcome to register and to ask for a > moderator status which would allow them to add posts, administer > aspects of the website or even add terms to the taxonomy. The quality > of the taxonomy-based tagging, for instance, would greatly benefits > from community participation. I have mentioned this feature to the > runrev team and there is perhaps (perhaps... that will be based on > evaluation after a few months of usage) a possibility for the most > active contributors to be rewarded. > > A lot more is possible. You can check out the list of modules there: > to know all modules that can be > attached to this cms. > > How to use it.... use the use-revolution list to post emails and to > post replies to post. I had mentioned the earlier > on but in fact it doesn't make much of a difference if you use it or > not, so you don't really need to bother. If you want to comment about > something on the /codes website, best is to use the use-revolution > list to do so with a link to the page on the cms (it will then look > like ). Like many > others, I prefer to have a single source of information to track. > > It's all yours. Enjoy. Feedback welcome!!! > > Marielle > > PS. the website has some "slow moments" because of congestions on the > lexicall website or on my provider servers... best is then to wait for > 5 minutes and then try again. I intend to move to a more reliable > provider in a few weeks time. > > PS2. the open stacks gallery has now been updated with the holiday > contributions. http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From b.xavier at internet.lu Sat Jan 7 00:58:25 2006 From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:58:25 +0100 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107050630.AA0E08258E5@mail.runrev.com> the technology behind it is Drupal which is a CMS (Content Management System) done in php and mysql (or other sqls). Other web oriented CMS include tikiwiki, phpnuke, type3, mambo (now called jumla), etc... Rev can be used to interface to the cms' sql and create stories or import information for example. Lots more is possible though... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com - made in phpnuke http://monsieurx.com/taoo - made in tiki drupal taoo coming soon... > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Bill Vlahos > Sent: Saturday, 07 January, 2006 06:44 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes > > Very nice. What is the technology behind this? Is it done in > Rev or something else? > > Bill Vlahos > > On Jan 5, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > as promised, the surprise: > > > > > > > > I was not happy with tikiwiki for managing code snippets. > So, there is > > now a new cms to host all the questions and answers about coding > > issues that appear on this mailing list. > > > > Features are: > > * All posts of the last month already included in the website (more > > than 400 pages already!) > > > > * As announced, xtalk code colorization, for ease of reading. > > > > * Taxonomy back end. Anybody familiar with the delicious way of > > tagging your material will feel at home here. Each entry is tagged > > with a few vocabulary terms that ensure very rapid > localization of the > > information you are after. All tags appear on the right handside of > > the website. An interesting one to use is the "user level" category > > which should allow beginner user to more rapidly find out about the > > information that is relevant to them. New categories or new > terms can > > easily be added. > > > > * For now, manual parsing, tagging, and editing > guaranteeing quality > > of classification and interest of the posts. For the ones ready to > > help, I have a stack to help with rapid parsing of use-revolution > > digests... more about this later. I am not 100% happy with > this stack > > yet. > > > > * Powerful search feature. As powerful as google, but > limited to this > > website. Provides you contextual hints (what are the > "categories" that > > have some matching pages) as well as highlighting. > > > > * Random tips on the top of the right page, to help you > increase your > > knowledge of runrev. > > > > * RSS syndication... you can easily track any change made to the > > website from your favorite RSS reader > > > > * RSS aggregation... if you don't have a favorite RSS > reader, you can > > easily keep an eye on the RSS feed of some popular programming > > website. > > > > * Voting feature. You find some information particularly > > interesting... vote for it so that others make sure they don't miss > > it. > > > > * User points. I use this website as an advanced scrapbook. > > Information will be updated regularly as I would do it > anyway for my > > personal use. However, anybody is welcome to register and > to ask for a > > moderator status which would allow them to add posts, administer > > aspects of the website or even add terms to the taxonomy. > The quality > > of the taxonomy-based tagging, for instance, would greatly benefits > > from community participation. I have mentioned this feature to the > > runrev team and there is perhaps (perhaps... that will be based on > > evaluation after a few months of usage) a possibility for the most > > active contributors to be rewarded. > > > > A lot more is possible. You can check out the list of > modules there: > > to know all modules that can be > > attached to this cms. > > > > How to use it.... use the use-revolution list to post emails and to > > post replies to post. I had mentioned the type="xtalk"> earlier > > on but in fact it doesn't make much of a difference if you > use it or > > not, so you don't really need to bother. If you want to > comment about > > something on the /codes website, best is to use the use-revolution > > list to do so with a link to the page on the cms (it will then look > > like ). Like many > > others, I prefer to have a single source of information to track. > > > > It's all yours. Enjoy. Feedback welcome!!! > > > > Marielle > > > > PS. the website has some "slow moments" because of > congestions on the > > lexicall website or on my provider servers... best is then > to wait for > > 5 minutes and then try again. I intend to move to a more reliable > > provider in a few weeks time. > > > > PS2. the open stacks gallery has now been updated with the holiday > > contributions. http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net Sat Jan 7 01:10:15 2006 From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:10:15 -0500 Subject: animations on a card Message-ID: <000901c61351$09ba4980$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Is there a way to see the animations on a card besides using the revanimation.rev tool? Sorry - I was unclear in my first request. What I mean is: How can you tell what animations are on a particular card? Is the information in the Inspector or is it necessary to open revanimate.rev? I think Arcade Engine stores them as custom properties of the object but I couldn't find the animations of revanimate.rev that way. Probably just my dumb mistake. Thanks From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sat Jan 7 04:05:59 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:05:59 +0100 Subject: How to download files from a web server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61D9BCA7-BA73-4782-ABD1-7A40CE4224B3@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Bill, The "How to Download Data from the Internet" tutorial might help you: This stack explains how to test the user connection, an url validity, why and how to use get url or load url, retrieve data from framed pages, give an account of download progress, manage errors, display retrieved data (web pages, stacks, compressed or not), etc. You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web. You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/. Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section. Le 5 janv. 06 ? 22:27, Bill Vlahos a ?crit : > I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that > automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url > "http://server/path/stack.rev") and that works great so that all I > have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets > automatically updated the next time they run the standalone. > > However, there are some other supporting files that periodically > get updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but > those files actually need to located on the user's hard disk. > > How would I do that? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From jazu at comcast.net Sat Jan 7 04:47:14 2006 From: jazu at comcast.net (James Z) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:47:14 -0800 Subject: SnapzPro In-Reply-To: <20060106180003.2F7BF194C01C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > > Marty, > > Try Ambrosia's Snapz Pro: > > http://www.ambrosiasw.com//utilities/snapzprox/ > > Worth its weight in gold, methinks, for this sort of thing... > > Judy > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Marty Knapp wrote: > >> This is not exactly a Rev question, but I'm wanting to create some >> instructional videos for my forthcoming "KeywordCruncher" program and >> wondered if there's anyone who has done that and could recommend some >> software for the Mac. Basically I want to do a "look-over-my shoulder" >> kind of tutorial with a voice over. It will most likely be accessed on a >> web pa Its a great utility but yiu need to watch file size. I made a movie for my user group, full screen, millions color, quite long and it ran to 9GB! The next version was considerably smaller. SnapZ Pro gives all kinds of controll over frame rate, compression, etc. James Z. From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sat Jan 7 06:26:57 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:26:57 +0100 Subject: Duplicating a Substack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Just type 'clone stack ' in the message box :-) Le 28 d?c. 05 ? 23:34, Stephen Paul McNutt a ?crit : > The weird thing is I've done these several times already, but now I > can't figure it out. I want to duplicate one of my substacks so > that I can rename and modify it--rather than starting from a blank > substack. Seems like that should be easy, but nooooooooo. Thanks > in advance for any help you can give. I did look through the > Revolution documentation, and the only way I can find to do it is > to change the mainStack function of some substack in another stack > to move it to the desired stack, but I know that's not how I did it > in the past. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From david at openpartnership.net Fri Jan 6 09:57:38 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:57:38 +0100 Subject: SSL Certificates on OSX (Dar :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3225778B-23E1-41BC-8D95-C4CE4762AECE@openpartnership.net> Has anyone used SSL certificates on OSX with Rev? I have created and downloaded a certificate from www.cacert.org but I am not sure if this is what is required. The file is david at openpartnership.net.crt and not a .pem file. Also I am not sure where to put it or how to work with keychain access - any pointers? Also in the code listing taken from Dar's SecEncSSL.rev stack: set the sslCertificates to "myroots.pem" open secure socket to myServer with verification set the sslCertificates to "myroots.pem" libUrlSetSSLVerification true put URL "https://www.dangerwill.com" Is the line "open secure socket to myServer with verification" required and if so is this the same url as the line: put URL "https://www.dangerwill.com" Thanks in advance From mark at maseurope.net Sat Jan 7 11:12:03 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:12:03 +0000 Subject: Duplicating a Substack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38FB33F6-70AC-4A1E-9A1A-0C008D63845B@maseurope.net> Assuming the main stack is called 'MyMainStack" and the sub stack to be cloned is called "MySubStack1": clone stack "MySubStack1" set the mainStack of it to "MyMainStack" set the name of it to "MySubStack2" Cheers, Mark On 28 Dec 2005, at 22:34, Stephen Paul McNutt wrote: > The weird thing is I've done these several times already, but now I > can't figure it out. I want to duplicate one of my substacks so > that I can rename and modify it--rather than starting from a blank > substack. Seems like that should be easy, but nooooooooo. Thanks > in advance for any help you can give. I did look through the > Revolution documentation, and the only way I can find to do it is > to change the mainStack function of some substack in another stack > to move it to the desired stack, but I know that's not how I did it > in the past. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Camm29 at tesco.net Sat Jan 7 14:23:25 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:23:25 -0000 Subject: Vb CommEvent in Rev References: Message-ID: <000801c613bf$d674d4e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1> Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ray" To: "Use Revolution List" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Vb CommEvent in Rev > On 1/4/06 1:49 PM, "Camm29" wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > Is there an equivalaint to Visual Basic CommEvent in Rev ? > > > > Can i tell if characters have arrived and ready to be Read from the Com Port > > Buffer ? > > Well, I haven't done much with this myself, but my understanding is that you > can open the COM port and read characters from it, and send characters to > it... I don't know if there's a way to get an event when incoming data comes > in, but you can continually read from the port, even if it's empty. > > It's something like: > > open driver "COM2:" > read from driver "COM2:" for 10 chars in 2 seconds > > Check the Transcript Dictionary for "open driver" and "read from driver"... > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david at openpartnership.net Fri Jan 6 17:17:26 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:17:26 +0100 Subject: HTML named characters In-Reply-To: <38FB33F6-70AC-4A1E-9A1A-0C008D63845B@maseurope.net> References: <38FB33F6-70AC-4A1E-9A1A-0C008D63845B@maseurope.net> Message-ID: Am I right that there is no built in function to convert HTML named characters (ä)? Does anyone have such a function? From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sat Jan 7 17:30:42 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:30:42 +0100 Subject: HTML named characters In-Reply-To: References: <38FB33F6-70AC-4A1E-9A1A-0C008D63845B@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <0061BBBA-818D-4ACF-A1E8-D5C945A63BB4@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi David, From the docs: ? Á ? á ? Â ? â ? ´ ? Æ ? æ ? À ? à ? Å ? å ? Ã ? ã ? Ä ? ä And many others. I tried with my Encoded Text Picker and it worked as expected. Le 6 janv. 06 ? 23:17, David Bovill a ?crit : > Am I right that there is no built in function to convert HTML named > characters (ä)? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 17:42:43 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: <61D9BCA7-BA73-4782-ABD1-7A40CE4224B3@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060107224243.58255.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> who provides webring? http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=runtimerevoluti1 thanks whoever you are. Erik Hansen erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From SupermanSlyr at aol.com Sat Jan 7 18:40:39 2006 From: SupermanSlyr at aol.com (SupermanSlyr at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:40:39 EST Subject: Full screen? Message-ID: <29.14413a0.30f1ab77@aol.com> Hello everyone, I've been away for a while. I'm back working in Revolution, but I forgot a lot. I can't seem to figure out how to make a card Full Screen. I see references for everything except making a card full screen. It has proven to be very irritating. I know how to keep the user from resizing the screen, I just can't figure out how to make it full screen. Can anyone help me? .... Full Screen... (Just thought I'd say it again) Thanks in advance, Joshua From jhurley at infostations.com Sat Jan 7 18:59:53 2006 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:59:53 -0800 Subject: Quicktime movie novice question In-Reply-To: <200208021601.MAA04929@www.runrev.com> References: <200208021601.MAA04929@www.runrev.com> Message-ID: Is the movie always the top layer? Can one show it behind Rev controls? Is there some nifty Quicktime movie tutorial that shows Rev/Quicktime to advantage? Jim From christian.langers at education.lu Sat Jan 7 19:00:41 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:00:41 +0100 Subject: Full screen? In-Reply-To: <29.14413a0.30f1ab77@aol.com> References: <29.14413a0.30f1ab77@aol.com> Message-ID: <1C6C86DD-ADC1-41C9-B001-170F0DE284C1@education.lu> Hi, perhaps this helps : set rect of this stack to the screenrect Christian Le 8 janv. 06 ? 00:40, SupermanSlyr at aol.com a ?crit : > Hello everyone, I've been away for a while. I'm back working in > Revolution, > but I forgot a lot. I can't seem to figure out how to make a card > Full Screen. > I see references for everything except making a card full screen. > It has > proven to be very irritating. I know how to keep the user from > resizing the > screen, I just can't figure out how to make it full screen. Can > anyone help me? > > .... Full Screen... (Just thought I'd say it again) > Thanks in advance, Joshua > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at openpartnership.net Fri Jan 6 19:10:33 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:10:33 +0100 Subject: HTML named characters In-Reply-To: <0061BBBA-818D-4ACF-A1E8-D5C945A63BB4@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <38FB33F6-70AC-4A1E-9A1A-0C008D63845B@maseurope.net> <0061BBBA-818D-4ACF-A1E8-D5C945A63BB4@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <6040D220-0A07-409B-8D58-EC6AF3F864E4@openpartnership.net> On 7 Jan 2006, at 23:30, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi David, > > From the docs: > > ? Á > ? á > ? Â > ? â > ? ´ > ? Æ > ? æ > ? À > ? à > ? Å > ? å > ? Ã > ? ã > ? Ä > ? ä > > And many others. > This is from the htmlText property - yes? But that requires me to set the htmlText of a field... which is not such fun for a parser :) Guess I will have to manually stick them all in an array? From revolution at derbrill.de Sat Jan 7 20:33:09 2006 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:33:09 +0100 Subject: Quicktime movie novice question In-Reply-To: <20060107180003.A54ED825251@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Quicktime is greedy. The controls actually stay on top of the player, but they don?t show anymore (screen refresh issue), unless you set the alwaysBuffer of the player to true. (Buffer display in the inspector if I recall correctly) Downside: the playback will slow down enormously. Not useable on slower machines. Hope that helps, Malte From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 22:25:25 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:25:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: can ArcadeEngine run on Windows 98? In-Reply-To: <0B424C8F-1633-11DA-83E3-0030659A795C@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <20060108032525.23799.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hello, can ArcadeEngine run on Windows 98? i looked around and found "Windows" is that all inclusive? Erik Hansen erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From SupermanSlyr at aol.com Sat Jan 7 22:29:21 2006 From: SupermanSlyr at aol.com (SupermanSlyr at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:29:21 EST Subject: Rollover Mouse effects Message-ID: Hello, I thank everyone very much. I wouldn't get by without your help. It always seems to be the simple things I have issues with. Now I'm trying to figure out how to make an image have mouse-over effects. I have 2 of each image; one for when the mouse enters it, and one for when it leaves it (Highlighted and un highlighted). I've tried putting both image frames on the card at once, while trying to make the appropriate one invisible with onMouseEnter. I've also tried importing from my hard drive and replacing the current image, but so far it hasn't worked like I planned. Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. How can I get the rollover effects I'm looking for? I want the picture to change to another picture when the mouse pointer is moved within it, but change back to the original when the mouse pointer leaves from within it. I'm sure working with a gif file would be simpler, but I don't have a gif file creation program, so I need an alternate route. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 7 22:42:02 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:42:02 -0800 Subject: Tearing my hair out Message-ID: <43C08A0A.3020708@comcast.net> I've been making Revolution stacks for a number of years, but always for myself, so rarely built standalones. And on those rare occasions when I did, I never used a menubar. So I've been working on a program for months and it's been going very smoothly, almost ready to release it, and one of the last things on my list was the menubar. So I inserted a menubar using the Menu Builder (and making absolutely no changes). Then all hell broke loose. My Windows builds work fine, but the OSX standalone crashes on launch. If I go back to my stack and simply uncheck "Use as menubar on OSX" and build a standalone it works fine. And if I start with a fresh blank stack and insert a default menubar, build as standalone it does work. I've been using Rev 2.2.1 on my old G4 running 10.2.8. Of course I'd love to have the latest version of everything (including a new G5 quad!) but as I'm currently living off my savings . . . I did downloaded the latest version and am running it in demo mode to see if that makes any difference, but I'm having exactly the same problem with 2.6.1 . . . I also moved my stack over to my PC and build an OSX standalone there, tried in on my Mac and - crash. With the menubar in place, I suddenly find myself with a very unstable environment - weird behavior, crashes, etc. I did make a copy of my stack and deleted everything from it, inserted a default menubar and was able to build a standalone that would launch. So my assumption is that something is corrupted. It does confuse me that the same stack minus the menubar seems very stable, but I don't know what else to think. Any thoughts before they take me away? Marty Knapp From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sat Jan 7 22:50:12 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: SnapzPro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, I have noticed this. I was drawing out a series of excerpts from a The Prisoner t.v. episode for my class (I was playing the DVD on the laptop and running the screen capture utility). With full-size, etc., video got jerky and became separated from the audio track. Reducing the window size and playing with the codecs made things positively manageable. Judy On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, James Z wrote: > Its a great utility but yiu need to watch file size. I made a movie for my > user group, full screen, millions color, quite long and it ran to 9GB! The > next version was considerably smaller. SnapZ Pro gives all kinds of controll > over frame rate, compression, etc. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 7 23:16:59 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:16:59 -0800 Subject: SnapzPro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C0923B.9080106@comcast.net> Yeah - I've been trying it out. For my old G4 it gets a little bogged down, then the file size. I was hoping to find something that would make a more compact "watch me" tutorials. Maybe Flash? But I don't have it/know how to use it. Does anyone know of a reaonably-priced Flash-like clone (for the Mac)? Marty Knapp >Yeah, I have noticed this. I was drawing out a series of excerpts from a >The Prisoner t.v. episode for my class (I was playing the DVD on the >laptop and running the screen capture utility). > >With full-size, etc., video got jerky and became separated from the audio >track. Reducing the window size and playing with the codecs made things >positively manageable. > >Judy > >On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, James Z wrote: > > > >>Its a great utility but yiu need to watch file size. I made a movie for my >>user group, full screen, millions color, quite long and it ran to 9GB! The >>next version was considerably smaller. SnapZ Pro gives all kinds of controll >>over frame rate, compression, etc. >> From katir at hindu.org Sat Jan 7 23:16:41 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:16:41 -1000 Subject: Set Text Size is empty but then not empty Message-ID: <244B0AB2-23EF-4D14-B8EB-C4307161A351@hindu.org> I have a small stack I am deploying for translation of Tamil and transliteration. It has a number of text fields and I would like the user to be able to change the text size of all the fields, depending on their screen resolution they will need to either increase or reduce the fonts size to work. Problem: Many of these fields are pre-filled with text. I use this script to attempt to change the font sizes: A menu button simply passes an integer between 10 and 24 to "tSize" on setFontSize tSize put "tamil,exact,edited,flat" into tFlds repeat for each item da in tFlds set the textsize of fld da to empty set the textsize of fld da to tSize set the textsize of fld (da&"_Title") to tSize set the textsize of fld (da&"_Line") to tSize end repeat end setFontSize but the font sizes are not changing. The Textheight *does* change and reflects the new size issued from the menupick but the text in the field does not change... Now... if I select the text of the fld and use this from another button: on mouseUp set the textsize of the selectedtext to empty end mouseUp The text in the field suddenly takes the size value I just set from the previous attempt. i.e. it immediately inherits the textsize just previously set for the field... but now, If I try to use the textsize to change the font again, nothing happens, the text in the fields retain the font size that it just inherited a few moments ago. I infer from this and the docs that the textsize of fld and the textsize of a textChunk in a field are two different "objects" But is seems unintuitive to me that, once a text chunk (in this case the selection: the entire text of the field) has it's textsize set to "empty" that it should then suddenly take on the inherited text size as its "own" property... is this a bug? I think the work around would be: set the text of the fld And the text in it at the same time. Anyway have any thoughts or insights? Sivakatirswami From katir at hindu.org Sat Jan 7 23:22:57 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:22:57 -1000 Subject: Set Text Size is empty but then not empty In-Reply-To: <244B0AB2-23EF-4D14-B8EB-C4307161A351@hindu.org> References: <244B0AB2-23EF-4D14-B8EB-C4307161A351@hindu.org> Message-ID: I should add that mysteriously some other newly created fields where I entered text, but never once selected and set the textsize of the text manually *do* obey my script. i.e i appears the Textsize (and textFont) of these fields and the text in them are *truly* empty.. So then the question could be rephrased: Once having selected text in a fld and manuall yset a font size of text font. .. how can then one subsequently clear those values (setting them to empty with a button is not working) so that they are *really, really* empty and will then revert to "inherit" mode and can be changed under script control. such that "set the textsize of fld fooDa to 12" will cause the text in the field to change size. On Jan 07, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > I have a small stack I am deploying for translation of Tamil and > transliteration. > > It has a number of text fields and I would like the user to be able > to change the text size of all the fields, depending on their > screen resolution they will need to either increase or reduce the > fonts size to work. > > Problem: Many of these fields are pre-filled with text. > > I use this script to attempt to change the font sizes: > > A menu button simply passes an integer between 10 and 24 to "tSize" > > on setFontSize tSize > put "tamil,exact,edited,flat" into tFlds > repeat for each item da in tFlds > set the textsize of fld da to empty > set the textsize of fld da to tSize > set the textsize of fld (da&"_Title") to tSize > set the textsize of fld (da&"_Line") to tSize > end repeat > end setFontSize > > but the font sizes are not changing. The Textheight *does* change > and reflects the new size issued from the menupick but the text in > the field does not change... > > Now... if I select the text of the fld and use this from another > button: > > on mouseUp > set the textsize of the selectedtext to empty > end mouseUp > > The text in the field suddenly takes the size value I just set from > the previous attempt. i.e. it immediately inherits the textsize > just previously set for the field... but now, If I try to use the > textsize to change the font again, nothing happens, the text in the > fields retain the font size that it just inherited a few moments ago. > > I infer from this and the docs that the textsize of fld and the > textsize of a textChunk in a field are two different "objects" > But is seems unintuitive to me that, once a text chunk (in this > case the selection: the entire text of the field) has it's > textsize set to "empty" that it should then suddenly take on the > inherited text size as its "own" property... > > is this a bug? I think the work around would be: set the text of > the fld And the text in it at the same time. > > Anyway have any thoughts or insights? > > Sivakatirswami > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Jan 7 23:23:45 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:23:45 -0600 Subject: Tearing my hair out In-Reply-To: <43C08A0A.3020708@comcast.net> References: <43C08A0A.3020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C093D1.7060000@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > I've been making Revolution stacks for a number of years, but always for > myself, so rarely built standalones. And on those rare occasions when I > did, I never used a menubar. So I've been working on a program for > months and it's been going very smoothly, almost ready to release it, > and one of the last things on my list was the menubar. So I inserted a > menubar using the Menu Builder (and making absolutely no changes). Then > all hell broke loose. My Windows builds work fine, but the OSX > standalone crashes on launch. If I go back to my stack and simply > uncheck "Use as menubar on OSX" and build a standalone it works fine. > And if I start with a fresh blank stack and insert a default menubar, > build as standalone it does work. Do you have any utilities or other software that add icons to the right side of the menu bar? Or anything that alters it in any way? Maybe something like that would cause a conflict. (Just guessing, since I've never seen what you describe and I've built a lot of Mac OS X menu bars.) Do you have any handlers that run on launch which refer to the menu bar, or change its contents, or anything like that? Just trying to think of something that might be the cause. It seems like it must have something to do with that particular stack, since you aren't having problems with a test stack's menus. Do your menus have any scripts? Or are you just testing with an empty menu bar? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From alex298298 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 8 00:23:57 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:23:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI Message-ID: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I came across shafermediastore.com and found the eBook "Using Revolution as a CGI". Over the past 8 years, I have been using PERL and PHP to develop CGI scripts on linux webservers. I would like to try to use RR to develop CGI scripts. I have some questions: 1. Do I need to install any "RR engines" in the webservers as root administrator? Or any shared web hosting accounts can simply save the "RR engines" in their own CGI-BIN directory? 2. Does it work on both linux servers and windows servers? Thanks and best regards Alex __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 00:43:16 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:16 +1000 Subject: Set Text Size is empty but then not empty In-Reply-To: References: <244B0AB2-23EF-4D14-B8EB-C4307161A351@hindu.org> Message-ID: > So then the question could be rephrased: > > Once having selected text in a fld and manuall yset a font size of > text font. .. how can then one subsequently clear those values > (setting them to empty with a button is not working) so that they are > *really, really* empty and will then revert to "inherit" mode and can > be changed under script control. such that "set the textsize of fld > fooDa to 12" will cause the text in the field to change size. > I have seen this before and haven't worked out why it happens, but the way around it is to use: set the textsize of char 1 to -1 of fld da to empty set the textsize of char 1 to -1 of fld da to tSize HTH, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 00:47:36 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:47:36 +1000 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hello, I thank everyone very much. I wouldn't get by without your help. It > always seems to be the simple things I have issues with. Now I'm trying to > figure out how to make an image have mouse-over effects. I have 2 of each image; > one for when the mouse enters it, and one for when it leaves it (Highlighted > and un highlighted). I've tried putting both image frames on the card at > once, while trying to make the appropriate one invisible with onMouseEnter. > I've also tried importing from my hard drive and replacing the current image, > but so far it hasn't worked like I planned. > > Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. How can I get the rollover > effects I'm looking for? I want the picture to change to another picture when the > mouse pointer is moved within it, but change back to the original when the > mouse pointer leaves from within it. I'm sure working with a gif file would be > simpler, but I don't have a gif file creation program, so I need an alternate > route. > Use a button instead of an image. Import the images to your stack but make them invisible - I recommend either jpg, gif or png. Set the icon and the armedIcon of the button to the IDs of the two different images and it should happen automagically. Just make sure the autoArm of the button is set to true. Once you have it working, you can change the appearance of the button so it doesn't look like a button, but just looks like the image and nothing else. HTH, Sarah From martyknapp at comcast.net Sun Jan 8 01:28:31 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:28:31 -0800 Subject: Tearing my hair out In-Reply-To: <43C093D1.7060000@hyperactivesw.com> References: <43C08A0A.3020708@comcast.net> <43C093D1.7060000@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <43C0B10F.8030407@comcast.net> J. Landman Gay wrote: > Marty Knapp wrote: > >> I've been making Revolution stacks for a number of years, but always >> for myself, so rarely built standalones. And on those rare occasions >> when I did, I never used a menubar. So I've been working on a program >> for months and it's been going very smoothly, almost ready to release >> it, and one of the last things on my list was the menubar. So I >> inserted a menubar using the Menu Builder (and making absolutely no >> changes). Then all hell broke loose. My Windows builds work fine, but >> the OSX standalone crashes on launch. If I go back to my stack and >> simply uncheck "Use as menubar on OSX" and build a standalone it >> works fine. And if I start with a fresh blank stack and insert a >> default menubar, build as standalone it does work. > > > Do you have any utilities or other software that add icons to the > right side of the menu bar? Or anything that alters it in any way? > Maybe something like that would cause a conflict. (Just guessing, > since I've never seen what you describe and I've built a lot of Mac OS > X menu bars.) I have a couple - for Norton and Now Contact/Up To Date. I removed them, with no effect. > > Do you have any handlers that run on launch which refer to the menu > bar, or change its contents, or anything like that? > No. In fact, I barely need a menubar as I have pretty much everything out where you need it. The only thing I really need is to intercept the quit message to ask the user if they want to save the data (to text files) I may just use the "shutdownRequest" to do that and forget the menubar. > > Do your menus have any scripts? Or are you just testing with an empty > menu bar? Just an empty menu bar. . . Thanks Jacque, Marty Knapp From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 8 01:29:53 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:29:53 -0600 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/7/06 11:23 PM, "alex wu" wrote: > Hello, > > I came across shafermediastore.com and found the eBook > "Using Revolution as a CGI". Over the past 8 years, I > have been using PERL and PHP to develop CGI scripts on > linux webservers. I would like to try to use RR to > develop CGI scripts. I have some questions: > > 1. Do I need to install any "RR engines" in the > webservers as root administrator? Or any shared web > hosting accounts can simply save the "RR engines" in > their own CGI-BIN directory? > > 2. Does it work on both linux servers and windows > servers? > > Thanks and best regards All you would ever want to know about CGIs is at Jacque Landman Gay's site: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html Good reading! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 8 01:43:26 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:43:26 -0600 Subject: Set Text Size is empty but then not empty In-Reply-To: <244B0AB2-23EF-4D14-B8EB-C4307161A351@hindu.org> Message-ID: On 1/7/06 10:16 PM, "Sivakatirswami" wrote: > I use this script to attempt to change the font sizes: > > A menu button simply passes an integer between 10 and 24 to "tSize" > > on setFontSize tSize > put "tamil,exact,edited,flat" into tFlds > repeat for each item da in tFlds > set the textsize of fld da to empty > set the textsize of fld da to tSize > set the textsize of fld (da&"_Title") to tSize > set the textsize of fld (da&"_Line") to tSize > end repeat > end setFontSize > > but the font sizes are not changing. The Textheight *does* change and > reflects the new size issued from the menupick but the text in the > field does not change... > > Now... if I select the text of the fld and use this from another button: > > on mouseUp > set the textsize of the selectedtext to empty > end mouseUp > > The text in the field suddenly takes the size value I just set from > the previous attempt. Believe it or not, this is "normal" behavior. :-) Let me explain... Remember that there is an inheritance chain for stuff in Rev - if you don't set the card's backgroundcolor, but you *do* set the stack's backgroundColor, all the cards in the stack will inherit the backgroundColor unless a specific card has its backgroundColor set (in which case the card's color takes precedence over the stack's color). What you have here is the same thing, but in this order of inheritance: Selected Text -> Field -> Card -> Stack So if you select text and change the text attributes of that text, it doesn't matter that you later come along and change the attributes of the field... the text will retain it's previously set text attributes and *not* inherit from the field. However, if you clear out the text attributes of the text by selecting it all and setting the textSize to empty (as you have done), you now allow normal inheritance to continue, and the textSize can now be inherited from the field itself. Tricky, but it's still "normal" behavior.... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 8 01:49:30 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:49:30 +0100 Subject: HTML named characters In-Reply-To: <6040D220-0A07-409B-8D58-EC6AF3F864E4@openpartnership.net> References: <38FB33F6-70AC-4A1E-9A1A-0C008D63845B@maseurope.net> <0061BBBA-818D-4ACF-A1E8-D5C945A63BB4@sosmartsoftware.com> <6040D220-0A07-409B-8D58-EC6AF3F864E4@openpartnership.net> Message-ID: <374450DA-3FAE-43B6-9AF9-553BFD045E05@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi David, I think you can use two different ways: 1. By scripting: Should be something like that. If you want to take into account all special characters (about one hundred), the second way could appear better. function StripTags pHtml -- returns the meaningful text from a web page local tRegex,tPrevText constant kHtml = "é,à,ç,>,<,ecirc;,è,©,•,' ;,·,&" constant kConvertedHtml = "?,?,?,>,<,?,?,?,?,',?,&" ----- replace return with space in pHtml replace numtochar(13) with empty in pHtml replace tab with empty in pHtml ----- put replacetext(pHtml,"(?Usi)","") into pHtml put replacetext(pHtml,"(?Usi)","") into pHtml put replacetext(pHtml,"(?Usi)<\?.*\?>","") into pHtml ----- replace " " with space in pHtml replace "
" with return in pHtml replace "

" with return in pHtml ----- put "<[^><]*>" into tRegex put replacetext(pHtml,tRegex,"") into pHtml put replacetext(pHtml,tRegex,"") into pHtml ----- repeat until tPrevText is pHtml put pHtml into tPrevText put replacetext(pHtml," +",space) into pHtml put replacetext(pHtml,"^ ","") into pHtml end repeat ----- replace (space & return) with return in pHtml replace (return & space) with return in pHtml filter pHtml without empty ----- replace """ with quote in pHtml repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of kHtml replace item i of kHtml with item i of kConvertedHtml in pHtml end repeat ----- return pHtml end StripTags 2. By placing the text into a field: We discussed this way of doing some months ago and it appeared (I think that it was Richard who pointed that out) that the fastest way seemed to use a field in a substack without opening it (if I remember correctly :-) on StripTags pHtml set the htmlText of fld "HtmlTemplate" of stack "HtmlConverter" to pHtml return the text of fld "HtmlTemplate" of stack "HtmlConver end StripTags Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 7 janv. 06 ? 01:10, David Bovill a ?crit : > On 7 Jan 2006, at 23:30, Eric Chatonet wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> From the docs: >> >> ? Á >> ? á >> ? Â >> ? â >> ? ´ >> ? Æ >> ? æ >> ? À >> ? à >> ? Å >> ? å >> ? Ã >> ? ã >> ? Ä >> ? ä >> >> And many others. >> > > This is from the htmlText property - yes? But that requires me to > set the htmlText of a field... which is not such fun for a > parser :) Guess I will have to manually stick them all in an array? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 8 01:51:49 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:51:49 +0100 Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: <20060107224243.58255.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060107224243.58255.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0B70D041-E6F2-418D-86B5-01901BC12C7B@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Erik, The Rev webring is managed by Shao Sean: shaosean at unitz.ca Le 7 janv. 06 ? 23:42, Erik Hansen a ?crit : > who provides webring? > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=runtimerevoluti1 > > thanks whoever you are. > > Erik Hansen Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 8 01:54:49 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:54:49 -0600 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/7/06 9:29 PM, "SupermanSlyr at aol.com" wrote: > > Hello, I thank everyone very much. I wouldn't get by without your help. It > always seems to be the simple things I have issues with. Now I'm trying to > figure out how to make an image have mouse-over effects. I have 2 of each > image; > one for when the mouse enters it, and one for when it leaves it (Highlighted > and un highlighted). I've tried putting both image frames on the card at > once, while trying to make the appropriate one invisible with onMouseEnter. > I've also tried importing from my hard drive and replacing the current image, > but so far it hasn't worked like I planned. > > Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. How can I get the rollover > effects I'm looking for? I want the picture to change to another picture when > the > mouse pointer is moved within it, but change back to the original when the > mouse pointer leaves from within it. I'm sure working with a gif file would > be > simpler, but I don't have a gif file creation program, so I need an alternate > route. Your best bet would be to do this: 1) Create a button, make it transparent (turn off the Show Name and Opaque properties from the Basic section of the Inspector, and the Border property from the Icons and Borders section of the Inspector). Note the ID number of the button for step #4 2) Note down the ID numbers of each of the images you want to use for the "normal" and "rollover" states (you can click each one and check the ID number in the Inspector). 3) Select the button go to the Icons and Borders section of the Inspector for the button and set the Icon field for the button to the "normal" state image ID, and set the Armed Icon field for the button to the "rollover" state image ID. 4) Unfortunately this next step isn't in the Inspector (where it should be). Click on the "Message Box" icon in the toolbar, and type the following into the message box (substitute the ID you wrote down in #1 for ): set the autoArm of button id to true and hit the Return key. 5) Resize the button to fit the image(s), and choose the browse tool. When you move it over the button, the image will switch to the "rollover" icon; when you roll off, it will return to the "normal" icon. Now all you need to do is hide your images (since you don't need to see them anymore - uncheck "Visible" in the Basic section of the Inspector for each one). And there you go! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 8 02:05:11 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:05:11 +0100 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ken and SupermanSlyr, This method is perfect and easy and, as usual, very well explained by Ken. I would only point out a special case: when the autoArm of a button is set to true, the mouseDown message is no longer sent by the engine (why? I don't know :-). Then, if you need to trigger this message (and it's often the case to implement a 'three-states' button, you have to script all the process by yourself :-( i.e. trapping mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseDown, mouseUp and mouseRelease... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 8 janv. 06 ? 07:54, Ken Ray a ?crit : > On 1/7/06 9:29 PM, "SupermanSlyr at aol.com" > wrote: > >> >> Hello, I thank everyone very much. I wouldn't get by without your >> help. It >> always seems to be the simple things I have issues with. Now I'm >> trying to >> figure out how to make an image have mouse-over effects. I have 2 >> of each >> image; >> one for when the mouse enters it, and one for when it leaves it >> (Highlighted >> and un highlighted). I've tried putting both image frames on the >> card at >> once, while trying to make the appropriate one invisible with >> onMouseEnter. >> I've also tried importing from my hard drive and replacing the >> current image, >> but so far it hasn't worked like I planned. >> >> Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. How can I get the rollover >> effects I'm looking for? I want the picture to change to another >> picture when >> the >> mouse pointer is moved within it, but change back to the original >> when the >> mouse pointer leaves from within it. I'm sure working with a gif >> file would >> be >> simpler, but I don't have a gif file creation program, so I need >> an alternate >> route. > > Your best bet would be to do this: > > 1) Create a button, make it transparent (turn off the Show Name and > Opaque > properties from the Basic section of the Inspector, and the Border > property > from the Icons and Borders section of the Inspector). Note the ID > number of > the button for step #4 > > 2) Note down the ID numbers of each of the images you want to use > for the > "normal" and "rollover" states (you can click each one and check > the ID > number in the Inspector). > > 3) Select the button go to the Icons and Borders section of the > Inspector > for the button and set the Icon field for the button to the > "normal" state > image ID, and set the Armed Icon field for the button to the > "rollover" > state image ID. > > 4) Unfortunately this next step isn't in the Inspector (where it > should be). > Click on the "Message Box" icon in the toolbar, and type the > following into > the message box (substitute the ID you wrote down in #1 for > ): > > set the autoArm of button id to true > > and hit the Return key. > > 5) Resize the button to fit the image(s), and choose the browse > tool. When > you move it over the button, the image will switch to the > "rollover" icon; > when you roll off, it will return to the "normal" icon. > > Now all you need to do is hide your images (since you don't need to > see them > anymore - uncheck "Visible" in the Basic section of the Inspector > for each > one). > > And there you go! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From revolution at derbrill.de Sun Jan 8 03:29:05 2006 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:29:05 +0100 Subject: can ArcadeEngine run on Windows 98? In-Reply-To: <20060106180003.8412D194C01E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Good morning Erik, > can ArcadeEngine run on Windows 98? > > i looked around and found "Windows" > is that all inclusive? It is. The library is completely written in Transcript and runs with every version of Revolution >= 2.1and any version of Dreamcard. All the best, Malte -- ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sun Jan 8 10:08:33 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:08:33 -0500 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87813341-1AC5-4E57-9870-F2CC8A08532C@adelphia.net> Eric, The three mouse state is very difficult to achieve using the icon/ armed icon method. I have had success using a second button over top of the first button (armed with two icons) and not using the armed state on the second button so that it also can accept mouseDowns then finally grouping the two buttons. The three states are then handled by the either the group script or top button script for all three states/icons. It is a hack for sure but it works. Tom On Jan 8, 2006, at 2:05 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Ken and SupermanSlyr, > > This method is perfect and easy and, as usual, very well explained > by Ken. > I would only point out a special case: when the autoArm of a button > is set to true, the mouseDown message is no longer sent by the > engine (why? I don't know :-). > Then, if you need to trigger this message (and it's often the case > to implement a 'three-states' button, you have to script all the > process by yourself :-( > i.e. trapping mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseDown, mouseUp and > mouseRelease... > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 8 10:41:10 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:41:10 +0100 Subject: Three mouse state buttons (was: Rollover Mouse effects) In-Reply-To: <87813341-1AC5-4E57-9870-F2CC8A08532C@adelphia.net> References: <87813341-1AC5-4E57-9870-F2CC8A08532C@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <981E9124-5F6A-46CC-961D-2B780D794A5D@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Tom, I prefer to use a single button the autoHilite of which is false. I specify the hiliteIcon in the properties inspector and the two other icons (armed and normal) as custom properties. Then I have no group and all code (very simple) is, as expected, in the button's script: on mouseDown set the hilite of the target to true end mouseDown ------------------------------ on mouseUp set the hilite of the target to false end mouseUp ------------------------------ on mouseRelease set the hilite of the target to false end mouseRelease ------------------------------ on mouseEnter set the icon of the target to the uArmedIcon of the target end mouseEnter ------------------------------ on mouseLeave set the icon of the target to the uIcon of the target end mouseLeave Le 8 janv. 06 ? 16:08, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit : > The three mouse state is very difficult to achieve using the icon/ > armed icon method. I have had success using a second button over > top of the first button (armed with two icons) and not using the > armed state on the second button so that it also can accept > mouseDowns then finally grouping the two buttons. The three states > are then handled by the either the group script or top button > script for all three states/icons. It is a hack for sure but it works. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From djdrisk at earthlink.net Sun Jan 8 11:10:46 2006 From: djdrisk at earthlink.net (David Mendriski) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:10:46 -0600 Subject: Probably the dumbest question on Earth Message-ID: Hi, I have written an application for learning Italian verbs. I wanted to share it with another student in the class. I gave her a copy of my application and a copy of the Dreamcard Player. She put them onto her PC and said nothing happens when she clicks on my application or on the player. What else must be done. Is the problem that she has a PC and I have an Imac on which I developed the app? I know she would love to use this app on her home computer. Thanks! Dave From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sun Jan 8 11:16:32 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:16:32 -0500 Subject: Three mouse state buttons (was: Rollover Mouse effects) In-Reply-To: <981E9124-5F6A-46CC-961D-2B780D794A5D@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <87813341-1AC5-4E57-9870-F2CC8A08532C@adelphia.net> <981E9124-5F6A-46CC-961D-2B780D794A5D@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <1E0C52FB-49E7-47B2-A03E-FF7BCD3A79F1@adelphia.net> Eric, You know I sill underestimate the power of custom props. Every time I see a solution using them I think "Duh, so simple. I should have thought of that." It would have saved me a bit of work in my last proj. Thanks Tom On Jan 8, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I prefer to use a single button the autoHilite of which is false. > I specify the hiliteIcon in the properties inspector and the two > other icons (armed and normal) as custom properties. > Then I have no group and all code (very simple) is, as expected, in > the button's script: Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From soapdog at mac.com Sun Jan 8 11:29:33 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:29:33 -0200 Subject: Probably the dumbest question on Earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0106D4B6-4982-4C9F-A134-01323D7EC9F1@mac.com> On Jan 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, David Mendriski wrote: > Hi, > > I have written an application for learning Italian verbs. I wanted > to share it with another student in the class. I gave her a copy > of my application and a copy of the Dreamcard Player. She put them > onto her PC and said nothing happens when she clicks on my > application or on the player. What else must be done. Is the > problem that she has a PC and I have an Imac on which I developed > the app? I know she would love to use this app on her home > computer. Thanks! > Dave, stacks are crossplatform, but the player is not, tell her to download the windows player on RunRev homepage! ;-) Cheers andre > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sun Jan 8 11:43:35 2006 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:43:35 -0800 Subject: HTML named characters In-Reply-To: <20060108153049.9A5AC825195@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 07:30 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> And many others. >> > > This is from the htmlText property - yes? But that requires me to set > the htmlText of a field... which is not such fun for a parser :) > Guess I will have to manually stick them all in an array? I've had extensive experience in using my own home grown parsers. This works fast and is very stable: replace thisStringEscape with thisCharacter in thisChunkExpression I forgot the secret decoder-ring tag-set for rev code... I've been busy building an RSS, OPML conversion importer into Intuition 1.5, not out yet, so that users can auto download RSS from a hyperlink in Intuition's viewing window. I'm adding an auto download multiple Intuition files for merging from the RSS reader so that the user can keep up with information available from MTML websites created using Intuition. http://www.leveltron.com/index.html With RR I have been able to create a very high speed pull-parser that works as a function and strips out first occurrences or an array of occurrences of element & attribute type XML tags. I have used this to create a multi-columned browser window with a Left column MTML here that resizes two fields of the Intuition window for the MTML coder that sets up the display page. I even used this parser to embed base64encoded images that display when downloading of a single Intuition file. Intuition 1.5 will be out in the next few weeks. I need to create more content to show it off. I'm in digest mode, please cc me if responding. Mark From shaosean at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 13:22:57 2006 From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:22:57 -0500 Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: <20060108153049.AC4F5825196@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Yes, after Runtime Revolution Ltd. decided they didn't want to maintain the ring anymore I volunteered to take over.. No thanks needed as I don't really have to do too much ;-) If you have a RunRev related website please join up if you haven't already done so.. Please note though that _anything_ referencing to unitz.ca is no longer valid (and hasn't been for some time like a couple of years).. For what ever reason they haven't taken the site down nor closed the email account *shrug*.. To make sure that you go to the newest site always use the domain redirect www.shaosean.tk and you can always reach me via email through the email redirect < info AT shaosean DOT tk > (it redirects to this hotmail account which I've had for about 6 years now, if not longer).. So please update any bookmarks or links on your website ^_^ -Sean _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 8 04:09:40 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:09:40 -1000 Subject: Set Text Size is empty but then not empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, we understand that chunks retaining their textProps is "normal behavior" On Jan 07, 2006, at 8:43 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > However, if you clear out the text attributes of the > text by selecting it all and setting the textSize to empty (as you > have > done), you now allow normal inheritance to continue, and the > textSize can > now be inherited from the field itself. What doesn't make sense is that in fact the above does not *really* work.. or rather, it works only "momentarily." try the following and you will see what I mean: 1) make new stack 2) create fld "field1" 3) create fld "field2" 4) from msg: put "Fly with Rev--Free at Last!" into fld field1 put "Fly with Rev--Free at Last!" into fld field2 5) make button1 "set Size" on mouseup set the textsize of fld Field1 to 18 set the textsize of fld field2 to 18 end mouseup test: it works.. as expected... text in both fields changes to 18 pt Now: 6) manually select the text of fld field2 and set the font size to 12. 7) now click button "set size"; Text of field2 retains it's 12 pt size. Normal behavior. As expected, the chunk was manually set and therefore retains it's font size... 8) make new button2: "clear size" on mouseup set the textsize of the selectedtext to empty end mouseup Make sure it's traversal on is set to false; select the text of fld field2 and click "clear size" and it will change to 18 point. As expected... it inherits the prop we set with btn 1 above. And you are thinking "See, yep, it works as expected..." "But wait.. . there's more!" Enter the green gremlin :-) : 9) edit script of btn "set size" change the point size to 12 on mouseUp set the textsize of fld Field1 to 12 set the textsize of fld field2 to 12 end mouseUp click that button again... note this time field2 retains the point size of 18... i.e. even though we had just a moment ago set the textsize of the text itself to empty, it now longer inherits the textsize of the fld as set by script as it did when we started. It work at stage 5) above. Having "touched" the prop of the chunk, just once, it no longer behaves as expected, even having set the prop to empty. So, question remains: how to get the field and the text inside it back to its original "pristine" state, where the cmd "set the textsize of fld field2 to 12" will be effective? Of course Sarah's work around will work set the textsize of fld da to tSize set the textsize of char 1 to char -1 of fld da to tSize but it begs the question Sivakatirswami From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 8 04:14:41 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:14:41 -1000 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47527CA2-5E03-4E38-B05C-E79A957D9FD6@hindu.org> Alex: Just a bit of testimony-encouragement I don't know PERL or PHP... all back end interactive web processes at www.himalayanacademy.com and www.hinduismtoday.com are run by revolution... 100% Transcript driven web site(s). (linux server) So, yes, it works and it works very well. I am sure there are others who could say the same... Sivakatirswami On Jan 07, 2006, at 7:23 PM, alex wu wrote: > I would like to try to use RR to > develop CGI scripts. From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Sun Jan 8 14:33:39 2006 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:33:39 +0000 Subject: SnapzPro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried SnapzPro, and the Snapz before that. For my money it was never as good as ScreenRecord. http://www.miensoftware.com/screenrecord.html I used that for my training vids, and happily paid the fee. Tried to get help form Ambrosia re Snapz problems, and got nothing useful. However, whatever you use, you definitely don't want to capture millions of colours! Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk On 8 Jan 2006, at 3:50 am, Judy Perry wrote: > Yeah, I have noticed this. I was drawing out a series of excerpts from > a > The Prisoner t.v. episode for my class (I was playing the DVD on the > laptop and running the screen capture utility). > > With full-size, etc., video got jerky and became separated from the > audio > track. Reducing the window size and playing with the codecs made > things > positively manageable. > > Judy > > On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, James Z wrote: > >> Its a great utility but yiu need to watch file size. I made a movie >> for my >> user group, full screen, millions color, quite long and it ran to >> 9GB! The >> next version was considerably smaller. SnapZ Pro gives all kinds of >> controll >> over frame rate, compression, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr Sun Jan 8 14:55:08 2006 From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:55:08 +0100 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI References: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> <47527CA2-5E03-4E38-B05C-E79A957D9FD6@hindu.org> Message-ID: <43C16E19.42BAE6F0@club-internet.fr> > > > So, yes, it works and it works very well. I am sure there are others > who could say the same... sure. have a look at http://www.souslelogo.com (not 100% finished yet) 99% Rev cgi - 1% PHP JB From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 8 14:51:30 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:51:30 -1000 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? Message-ID: I have a small app out for testing. One windows user in New Delhi, who was getting overwhelmed with viruses in XP and 2000, was told by someone there to go back to Windows 98, which he did. OK -- so movies were not playing and I sent him a small stack to test for QT and it was not installed. I told him to go to www.apple.com/ quicktime/ and lo! Quicktime player apparently is only now available for windows 2000 or XP... Or did he read that page incorrectly? I find it hard to believe that QT is no longer available for Windows 98... or is Apples web page for Windows users just confusing? Sivakatirswami From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 8 15:12:49 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:12:49 -0600 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/8/06 1:05 AM, "Eric Chatonet" wrote: > Hi Ken and SupermanSlyr, > > This method is perfect and easy and, as usual, very well explained by > Ken. > I would only point out a special case: when the autoArm of a button > is set to true, the mouseDown message is no longer sent by the engine > (why? I don't know :-). > Then, if you need to trigger this message (and it's often the case to > implement a 'three-states' button, you have to script all the process > by yourself :-( > i.e. trapping mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseDown, mouseUp and > mouseRelease... That's not what I get here, Eric... I created a button and dropped three icons from the Image Library onto the card. I set the icon to one, the hiliteIcon to the second, and the armedIcon to the third. I set the autoarm of the button to true. I then set the script to: on mouseDown put "down" end mouseDown on mouseUp put "up" end mouseUp When I click the mouse, I get both "down", then "up" showing up in the Message Box... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 8 15:34:40 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:40 -1000 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: <43C16E19.42BAE6F0@club-internet.fr> References: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> <47527CA2-5E03-4E38-B05C-E79A957D9FD6@hindu.org> <43C16E19.42BAE6F0@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <362E9225-CA31-4561-9AC1-56B88028C1D0@hindu.org> oops, I lied (smile) we do have PMWIKI running and that is PHP... but I don't have to touch it, other than set some values in conf files. So, yes, I guess we are like JB: 1% php... On Jan 08, 2006, at 9:55 AM, jbv wrote: > sure. have a look at http://www.souslelogo.com (not 100% finished yet) > > 99% Rev cgi - 1% PHP > > JB > From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 8 15:56:35 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:56:35 +0100 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E6AA9F-FE6A-4880-9E11-FD5A61574B83@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Ken, You are right in what you are saying :-) But set the autoArm to true, set the autohilite to true and specify a hiliteIcon: the button gets a mouseDown message but does not react as expected at mouseDown. In spite of the autohilite, the hiliteIcon does not show up :-( Le 8 janv. 06 ? 21:12, Ken Ray a ?crit : > That's not what I get here, Eric... I created a button and dropped > three > icons from the Image Library onto the card. I set the icon to one, the > hiliteIcon to the second, and the armedIcon to the third. I set the > autoarm > of the button to true. > > > I then set the script to: > > on mouseDown > put "down" > end mouseDown > > on mouseUp > put "up" > end mouseUp > > When I click the mouse, I get both "down", then "up" showing up in the > Message Box... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 8 15:20:04 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:20:04 -0600 Subject: Probably the dumbest question on Earth In-Reply-To: <0106D4B6-4982-4C9F-A134-01323D7EC9F1@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/8/06 10:29 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, David Mendriski wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have written an application for learning Italian verbs. I wanted >> to share it with another student in the class. I gave her a copy >> of my application and a copy of the Dreamcard Player. She put them >> onto her PC and said nothing happens when she clicks on my >> application or on the player. What else must be done. Is the >> problem that she has a PC and I have an Imac on which I developed >> the app? I know she would love to use this app on her home >> computer. Thanks! >> > > > Dave, > > stacks are crossplatform, but the player is not, tell her to download > the windows player on RunRev homepage! ;-) You can also optionally download StackRunner, which is like the DC Player, but without the extra "stuff"... for more info, see: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 8 16:57:54 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:57:54 -0600 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: <48E6AA9F-FE6A-4880-9E11-FD5A61574B83@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: On 1/8/06 2:56 PM, "Eric Chatonet" wrote: > Hi Ken, > > You are right in what you are saying :-) > But set the autoArm to true, set the autohilite to true and specify a > hiliteIcon: the button gets a mouseDown message but does not react as > expected at mouseDown. > In spite of the autohilite, the hiliteIcon does not show up :-( Sorry, Eric, it works here, so I must be doing something wrong... I'll send you my sample stack offlist so you can tell me the difference between my stack and the results you're getting... :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 8 17:30:46 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:30:46 +0100 Subject: Rollover Mouse effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97EDEA7B-BFB7-491B-B136-7256F5E4C100@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Ken, Don't be sorry: as you know it, you are right! Probably, I set some property badly. For those who might be interested in, here is the list of the right properties and their values to get a 'three states' button the icon of which changes when the mouse flies over, at mouseDown and mouseUp: In the Property Inspector: . Transparent = true (usually we don't want a bg color) . ShowName = false (if we want only icons) . AutoHilite = true . TraversalOn = true . ShowFocusBorder = false . ThreeD = true . ShowBorder = false . HiliteBorder = false . Icon, HiliteIcon and ArmedIcon set in the 'Icons & Borders' pane. AutoArm set to true in the message box (no check box available in the Property Inspector). Thanks to you, Ken, for having proved this: it might save a lot of coding for all :-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 8 janv. 06 ? 22:57, Ken Ray a ?crit : >> Hi Ken, >> >> You are right in what you are saying :-) >> But set the autoArm to true, set the autohilite to true and specify a >> hiliteIcon: the button gets a mouseDown message but does not react as >> expected at mouseDown. >> In spite of the autohilite, the hiliteIcon does not show up :-( > > Sorry, Eric, it works here, so I must be doing something wrong... > I'll send > you my sample stack offlist so you can tell me the difference > between my > stack and the results you're getting... > > :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From harrison at all-auctions.com Sun Jan 8 17:34:55 2006 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:34:55 -0500 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D5A2A6F-830E-408E-A8AD-F2A38C886419@all-auctions.com> On Jan 8, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > I have a small app out for testing. One windows user in New Delhi, > who was getting overwhelmed with viruses in XP and 2000, was told > by someone there to go back to Windows 98, which he did. OK -- so > movies were not playing and I sent him a small stack to test for QT > and it was not installed. I told him to go to www.apple.com/ > quicktime/ and lo! Quicktime player apparently is only now > available for windows 2000 or XP... Or did he read that page > incorrectly? I find it hard to believe that QT is no longer > available for Windows 98... or is Apples web page for Windows users > just confusing? > > Sivakatirswami > Window's 98 if it came out as late as 1999 is now 7 years old. In computer terms it is an OS that is a Dinosaur 2 times over. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple no longer supports it. Someone might have a mirror site out there with the older Quicktime if you are lucky. Good luck! Rick Harrison From europe at ehug.info Sun Jan 8 17:52:34 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:52:34 +0100 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C197B2.2010809@ehug.info> Sivakatirswami, Write me at m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com and I'll help you. Best, Mark Sivakatirswami wrote: > I have a small app out for testing. One windows user in New Delhi, who > was getting overwhelmed with viruses in XP and 2000, was told by > someone there to go back to Windows 98, which he did. OK -- so movies > were not playing and I sent him a small stack to test for QT and it was > not installed. I told him to go to www.apple.com/ quicktime/ and lo! > Quicktime player apparently is only now available for windows 2000 or > XP... Or did he read that page incorrectly? I find it hard to believe > that QT is no longer available for Windows 98... or is Apples web page > for Windows users just confusing? > > Sivakatirswami -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Sun Jan 8 19:32:22 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:32:22 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens,- still unsolved !!! Message-ID: As posted earlier ( Dec 18) We have developed a stack size 3072 x 2304, thus having 9 different full screens available on a card, when using a 1024 x 768 screen. This works fine on such a screen. But how can we limit the appearance on larger screens, so precisely a given of the 9 windows, and only that, can be seen ? We received a fine idea for a solution from Eric Chatonet, namely to group all controls in each of the 9 windows and scroll between them. However. grouping the already existing groups interferes hopelessly with the 3-4 essential layerings of controls. So we have to hope for some bright and inventive minds on this list, who may come up with another strategy. But please note: We cannot divide the oversize stack into 9 separate stacks, we have to stay with the 3072x 2304 size Our present approach suceeds with the upper left window: on tomainwindow global phenowindow if the platform is "MacOS" then set the rect of this window to "0,20,1024,768" but for the remaing 8 windows e.g. on toworkplacewindow global phenowindow if the platform is "MacOS" then set the rect of this window to "-2047,-1520,1025,760" it does not work: parts of the card lying outside the specified rect (parts of neighboring windows) remain visible. Is it f.ex. possible to create a camouflaging full largescreen- size stack, with a central 1024x768 hole/window in the center Or any other idea ? Our stack, which is meant to be a freeware resource for an electronic diary. is available as "Beta-diary 16.1.6" in revonline userspaces http:// revonline.runrev.com/channels/home.rvc.gz under the name "Kresten". Its use and functionality demands downloading and installing a font-suite of (equally freeware) 12 pictogram-font, to be fetched from www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg/diary.htm Kresten kresten.bjerg at psy.ku.dk www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Jan 8 19:45:36 2006 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:15:36 +1030 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, - still unsolved !!! References: Message-ID: <003a01c614b6$0197b240$0502a8c0@fred> Hi If you had four images (left,top,right,bottom) you could place them around your workspace to block out the rest. They would need to be large to cater for high resolution screens but it would work. If they are a single block color you could stretch small ones to fit. Cheers -- Monte Goulding BCompSci Sweat Technologies BAppSci (Hons) InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds Download now from: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget From bvlahos at mac.com Sun Jan 8 20:42:19 2006 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:42:19 -0800 Subject: How do I select text in a field? Message-ID: I want to programatically select text in a field as if I had doubleclicked it. For example... I want to select word 4 of a field. When I enter the following statement in the Message Box or in a button: select word 4 of field "one" The insertion point flashes in the field and the focus border flashes but no text is selected. How do I do this? Bill Vlahos From mark at maseurope.net Sun Jan 8 21:03:51 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:03:51 +0000 Subject: How do I select text in a field? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2113E953-1A39-4CCF-B6E2-D07A6CFD365C@maseurope.net> Curious....this works here. You don't have an 'on openField' or some other handler that might interfere? Mark On 9 Jan 2006, at 01:42, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I want to programatically select text in a field as if I had > doubleclicked it. For example... I want to select word 4 of a field. > > When I enter the following statement in the Message Box or in a > button: > > select word 4 of field "one" > > The insertion point flashes in the field and the focus border > flashes but no text is selected. How do I do this? > > Bill Vlahos > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Jan 8 22:34:39 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:34:39 -0800 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Quicktime player apparently is only now available > for windows 2000 or XP... Or did he read that page incorrectly? I > find it hard to believe that QT is no longer available for Windows > 98... or is Apples web page for Windows users just confusing? The info may be incorrect, but if true, the decision wouldn't be surprising given that MS has publicly stated it is phasing out Win98. June 30, 2006 is apparently the key date (but if you have deep enough pockets you can presumably get continued support): "Microsoft will not publicly release non-critical security hotfixes for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition. However, customers may request a non-critical security hotfix through On-Demand Security Hotfix support, which is offered for these products through June 30, 2006. When a request is received, Microsoft will investigate the issue and try to provide an appropriate response to the customer." Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Development & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Jan 8 22:43:46 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:43:46 -0600 Subject: Mac OS 10.2.x system config files Message-ID: <43C1DBF2.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> I need to know where OS X version 10.2.x stores its system config file. In 10.3 and 10.4 it is here: /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist Apparently this isn't the case in 10.2 and I don't have an older system to check it. In particular, I'm looking for the MAC address. Does anyone have 10.2 who can tell me which file contains this info? Thanks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 8 23:13:56 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:13:56 +1100 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c614d3$216d8b40$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > "Microsoft will not publicly release non-critical security > hotfixes for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or > Windows Millennium Edition. However, customers may request a > non-critical security hotfix through On-Demand Security > Hotfix support, which is offered for these products through > June 30, 2006. When a request is received, Microsoft will > investigate the issue and try to provide an appropriate > response to the customer." > There is a similar issue with XP Home: < http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=19&y=12&p1=3221 > Scott From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 8 23:32:29 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:32:29 -1000 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <861FFDA2-79E4-4A84-A4C3-FA4ABF15A0AD@hindu.org> 100,000 hits logged on to just one of our web sites in December 2005 whose user agent was "Windows 98" .....So if we deploy a free app that requires QT... ? unique IP's? hard to say... (webalizer is "deficient" to say the least) don't know maybe that represents 40,000 users? They are left stranded? I thought the "media player wars" would dictate a strategy by Apple to make sure *any* Windows user could easily run QT. At least Apple has not deleted it from their web site... a search turns up any number of old versions, which in itself is confusing: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime652forwindows.html Does anyone know if QT 6.5.2 was the latest and last one released for Windows 98? Every time I search on Apples site I would land on a different one 6.2.5, 6.3... and there was no way to know which is the latest for Windows 98 I filled in Apple's Feedback with a suggestion to Apple they add a link to an older version on their Windows QT page. Thanks to Richmond for sending me an installer. Sivakatirswami On Jan 08, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > >> Quicktime player apparently is only now available >> for windows 2000 or XP... Or did he read that page incorrectly? I >> find it hard to believe that QT is no longer available for Windows >> 98... or is Apples web page for Windows users just confusing? >> > > The info may be incorrect, but if true, the decision wouldn't be > surprising > given that MS has publicly stated it is phasing out Win98. June > 30, 2006 is > apparently the key date (but if you have deep enough pockets you can > presumably get continued support): > > "Microsoft will not publicly release non-critical security hotfixes > for > Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition. > However, customers may request a non-critical security hotfix through > On-Demand Security Hotfix support, which is offered for these products > through June 30, 2006. When a request is received, Microsoft will > investigate the issue and try to provide an appropriate response to > the > customer." > > > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Development & Design From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 8 23:38:10 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:38:10 -1000 Subject: Export Data from Rev to PDF format Message-ID: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> Has anyone done a small lib to export rev data (unadorned text will be fine) to a PDF file? Most of my in house RAD's involve some kind of document-text work. I'm doing a stack now that handles translation and transliteration in Tamil and English and to get a PDF I have to export XML, import into inDesign and then export as PDF. While this will be very useful when we finally get around to publishing a finished typeset copy, it's a tedious work flow if all I need to do is get copy of the text in a single field out to proof readers who are visually challenged (and who ask me for PDF's because they can zoom in very easily in Acrobat) Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications at Kauai's Hindu Monastery katir at hindu.org www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com www.Gurudeva.org www.Hindu.org From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com Mon Jan 9 00:18:37 2006 From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:18:37 -0600 Subject: CGI on Mac OS X server help...asap please! Message-ID: Hello all: Need some help again...I have installed RunRev darwin engine in my CGI-Executables folder and followed these directions to the letter as far as doing the simple hello world cgi. http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/intro.html#twoways When I go to call the hello.cgi my browser redirects me to this http://foo.example.com/cgi-bin/tester? What is going on here....? Jonathan Kotthoff Director of Media & Technology Clarion Marketing & Advertising Menlo Park Concepts 314-333-4315 ext 28 cell 314-973-8173 From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 00:24:04 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:24:04 -0800 Subject: CGI on Mac OS X server help...asap please! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70ed6b130601082124k75c5b2cy3a77357d7a04e93b@mail.gmail.com> When you say you "go to call the hello.cgi," what exactly are you typing into your browser? Is the file you're asking for called hello.cgi? Is there also a tester.cgi file in that folder? Have you cleared your browser's cache? On 1/8/06, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote: > Hello all: > > Need some help again...I have installed RunRev darwin engine in my > CGI-Executables folder and followed these directions to the letter as > far as doing the simple hello world cgi. > http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/intro.html#twoways > When I go to call the hello.cgi my browser redirects me to this > http://foo.example.com/cgi-bin/tester? > What is going on here....? > > Jonathan Kotthoff > Director of Media & Technology > Clarion Marketing & Advertising > Menlo Park Concepts > 314-333-4315 ext 28 > cell 314-973-8173 > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com Mon Jan 9 00:27:34 2006 From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:27:34 -0600 Subject: CGI on Mac OS X server help...asap please! In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130601082124k75c5b2cy3a77357d7a04e93b@mail.gmail.com> References: <70ed6b130601082124k75c5b2cy3a77357d7a04e93b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Cleared cache yes...the i am navigating to http://www.clarionstl.com/cgi-bin/hello.cgi which is the file that i created as described in this tutorial. By the way, I just bought your mini book Dan! Did clear cache yes. No there is no tester.cgi in that folder...but then again, the hello.cgi file I am calling does not call any tester.cgi app. It just says hello world... Jonathan Kotthoff Director of Media & Technology Clarion Marketing & Advertising Menlo Park Concepts 314-333-4315 ext 28 cell 314-973-8173 On Jan 8, 2006, at 11:24 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: > When you say you "go to call the hello.cgi," what exactly are you > typing into your browser? Is the file you're asking for called > hello.cgi? Is there also a tester.cgi file in that folder? Have you > cleared your browser's cache? > > > On 1/8/06, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote: >> Hello all: >> >> Need some help again...I have installed RunRev darwin engine in my >> CGI-Executables folder and followed these directions to the letter as >> far as doing the simple hello world cgi. >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/intro.html#twoways >> When I go to call the hello.cgi my browser redirects me to this >> http://foo.example.com/cgi-bin/tester? >> What is going on here....? >> >> Jonathan Kotthoff >> Director of Media & Technology >> Clarion Marketing & Advertising >> Menlo Park Concepts >> 314-333-4315 ext 28 >> cell 314-973-8173 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author > http://www.shafermedia.com > Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Jan 9 00:37:29 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:37:29 -0600 Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C1F699.402@hyperactivesw.com> Sean Shao wrote: > To make sure that you go to the newest site always use the domain > redirect www.shaosean.tk and you can always reach me via email through > the email redirect < info AT shaosean DOT tk > (it redirects to this > hotmail account which I've had for about 6 years now, if not longer).. > So please update any bookmarks or links on your website ^_^ I have tried to get to your site several times, and I just tried it again, but I always get a "server not found" error. I used: http://www.shaosean.tk It still fails for me. Is there another way? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 9 00:45:41 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:45:41 +1100 Subject: Printing In Rev Message-ID: <000101c614df$f1af7c30$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi, Am I going nuts or is the feature (as referenced in the Rev doc's) "Report Builder" missing from the IDE? Scott From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 00:26:59 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:26:59 -0800 Subject: Export Data from Rev to PDF format In-Reply-To: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> References: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> Message-ID: <70ed6b130601082126s1a0f471icf364e15bb2e9cbb@mail.gmail.com> If you just need a PDF of plain text, you might try one of these approaches: 1. On Windows, copy and paste the text into Word and then print/save as a PDF. 2. On OS X, just open the document you're now exporting and print it to a PDF file. 3. If for some reason that doesn't work, try saving as HTML and then using HTMLDoc to create the PDF. HTH On 1/8/06, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Has anyone done a small lib to export rev data (unadorned text will > be fine) to a PDF file? > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 01:00:39 2006 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:00:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Printing In Rev In-Reply-To: <000101c614df$f1af7c30$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <20060109060040.9882.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Kane wrote: > Hi, > > Am I going nuts or is the feature (as referenced > in the Rev doc's) "Report Builder" missing from > the IDE? > > Scott > Hi Scott, The report system that shipped with Revolution 2.0 has been deprecated. You might be interested in Quartam Reports for Revolution: Quartam Reports brings the advantages of traditional report building tools to the cross-platform world of Revolution. It is the only tool to let you print reports and labels while offering on-screen preview, data grouping, aggregate functions, and much more, through a cross-platform library with a simple API as well as an advanced callback architecture. Give it a whirl and see if it is the solution to your needs. If you buy version 1.0, you get a free upgrade to version 1.1, which is shaping up to be a solid expansion of the feature set. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Jan 9 01:01:02 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:01:02 -0600 Subject: CGI on Mac OS X server help...asap please! In-Reply-To: References: <70ed6b130601082124k75c5b2cy3a77357d7a04e93b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C1FC1E.8010203@hyperactivesw.com> Jonathan Kotthoff wrote: > Cleared cache yes...the i am navigating to > http://www.clarionstl.com/cgi-bin/hello.cgi which is the file that i > created as described in this tutorial. By the way, I just bought your > mini book Dan! > Did clear cache yes. > No there is no tester.cgi in that folder...but then again, the hello.cgi > file I am calling does not call any tester.cgi app. It just says hello > world... Some servers are set up to be pre-configured for certain extensions. The "cgi" extension may trigger their configuration instead of yours. To get around this, name your cgi files with a unique extension. It is customary for historical reasons to name Rev CGI scripts with ".mt" at the end, but you can pick something else (such as ".ts" for "transcript", etc.) I'd avoid any of the commonly-used ones though, like ".cgi". I think OS X is sending you to a CGI example site because it thinks you are using an invalid cgi. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 9 01:04:03 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:04:03 +1100 Subject: Printing In Rev In-Reply-To: <20060109060040.9882.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c614e2$82f9c810$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Jan, > The report system that shipped with Revolution 2.0 has > been deprecated. You might be interested in Quartam > Reports for Revolution: Bummer! > Quartam Reports brings the advantages of traditional > report building tools to the cross-platform world of > Revolution. It is the only tool to let you print > reports and labels while offering on-screen preview, > data grouping, aggregate functions, and much more, > through a cross-platform library with a simple API as > well as an advanced callback architecture. > > Give it a whirl and see if it is the solution to your > needs. If you buy version 1.0, you get a free upgrade > to version 1.1, which is shaping up to be a solid > expansion of the feature set. Yes. Quartum looks good. But right now finances are not there to make a purchase. Certainly something I'd like to get hold of in the future though... :-) Thanks, Jan, Scott From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com Mon Jan 9 01:19:08 2006 From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:19:08 -0600 Subject: CGI on Mac OS X server help...asap please! In-Reply-To: <43C1FC1E.8010203@hyperactivesw.com> References: <70ed6b130601082124k75c5b2cy3a77357d7a04e93b@mail.gmail.com> <43C1FC1E.8010203@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <803c9edb15eb78c3b978524dff3d2a31@clarionstl.com> OK...this makes sense to me, but is still not working. I am convinced its an apache issue (I am running mac os x server 10.3.blah). However I have not modified apache from any of its standard settings. Anybody have any experience with setting REVCGI up on mac os x server? Jonathan Kotthoff Director of Media & Technology Clarion Marketing & Advertising Menlo Park Concepts 314-333-4315 ext 28 cell 314-973-8173 On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Jonathan Kotthoff wrote: >> Cleared cache yes...the i am navigating to >> http://www.clarionstl.com/cgi-bin/hello.cgi which is the file that i >> created as described in this tutorial. By the way, I just bought your >> mini book Dan! >> Did clear cache yes. >> No there is no tester.cgi in that folder...but then again, the >> hello.cgi file I am calling does not call any tester.cgi app. It just >> says hello world... > > Some servers are set up to be pre-configured for certain extensions. > The "cgi" extension may trigger their configuration instead of yours. > To get around this, name your cgi files with a unique extension. It is > customary for historical reasons to name Rev CGI scripts with ".mt" at > the end, but you can pick something else (such as ".ts" for > "transcript", etc.) I'd avoid any of the commonly-used ones though, > like ".cgi". I think OS X is sending you to a CGI example site because > it thinks you are using an invalid cgi. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 01:21:12 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:21:12 +1000 Subject: Export Data from Rev to PDF format In-Reply-To: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> References: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> Message-ID: > Has anyone done a small lib to export rev data (unadorned text will > be fine) to a PDF file? > > Most of my in house RAD's involve some kind of document-text work. > I'm doing a stack now that handles translation and transliteration in > Tamil and English and to get a PDF I have to export XML, import into > inDesign and then export as PDF. Is it all done on OS X? Because if so, you can use the convert shell command. Ken Ray gave an example of how to do this on the list a while ago: HTH, Sarah From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 9 02:09:15 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:09:15 +1100 Subject: Printing In Rev In-Reply-To: <000201c614e2$82f9c810$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <000501c614eb$9f38d5d0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> OK, I worked it out my self by formatting a Table Field and setting the top line to bold, the subsequent lines to normal. It's not what I'd call the most ideal, but it solves the problem of offering some kind of output for now. I keep getting surprised at how easy some things are in Rev. :-) Scott From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 02:36:38 2006 From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:36:38 +0900 Subject: movies on Win Message-ID: <000301c614ef$700c9590$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb> Hello List, I'm looking to play WMV videos (or even RM videos!) in my stacks, but because the docs seem to favor the use of QT for RunRev I'm having trouble trying to learn on my own how to implement playback of non-QT videos in Win-based stacks. Any pointers would be very welcome. Thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto From paulclaude at postino.it Mon Jan 9 03:04:53 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:04:53 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060105081015.01a8b8a0@pon.net> Message-ID: Dear Rob, I cannot change in any way the X2 or X3 stack, because it is an external stack, not mine, and it may change everytime: I'm not switching themes, I'm browsing stacks. on 5-01-2006 17:15, Rob Cozens at rcozens at pon.net wrote: > Can your design allow you to separate the images in "X2" from the > resources that must be opened? (If not, why not?) From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no Mon Jan 9 03:05:38 2006 From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:05:38 +0100 Subject: movies on Win In-Reply-To: <000301c614ef$700c9590$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb> References: <000301c614ef$700c9590$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb> Message-ID: <43C21952.4000001@roman.uib.no> Nicolas Cueto skrev: > Hello List, > > I'm looking to play > WMV videos (or even > RM videos!) in my stacks, > but because the docs seem > to favor the use of QT > for RunRev I'm having > trouble trying to learn > on my own how to implement > playback of non-QT videos > in Win-based stacks. My stack mciMpegVideo may help you. Can be found on Rev Online, under username "sms" Signe Marie Sanne 1. amanuensis/Senior lecturer Romansk institutt Tlf. +47 55 58 21 27 ?isteins gt. 1 Epost: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no Universitetet i Bergen http://www.hf.uib.no/mlab/Info/sms.html From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com Mon Jan 9 03:16:06 2006 From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:16:06 -0600 Subject: CGI on Mac OS X server help...asap please! In-Reply-To: <803c9edb15eb78c3b978524dff3d2a31@clarionstl.com> References: <70ed6b130601082124k75c5b2cy3a77357d7a04e93b@mail.gmail.com> <43C1FC1E.8010203@hyperactivesw.com> <803c9edb15eb78c3b978524dff3d2a31@clarionstl.com> Message-ID: Interesting...It seem that this was a Rev issue...I reverted back to an older version of Rev CGI 2.1 and all works fine...hmmmm...Am going to get my project done now for tomorrow...but will investigate further tomorrow...Thanks all for your help... Jonathan Kotthoff Director of Media & Technology Clarion Marketing & Advertising Menlo Park Concepts 314-333-4315 ext 28 cell 314-973-8173 On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:19 AM, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote: > OK...this makes sense to me, but is still not working. I am convinced > its an apache issue (I am running mac os x server 10.3.blah). However > I have not modified apache from any of its standard settings. Anybody > have any experience with setting REVCGI up on mac os x server? > > Jonathan Kotthoff > Director of Media & Technology > Clarion Marketing & Advertising > Menlo Park Concepts > 314-333-4315 ext 28 > cell 314-973-8173 > On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Jonathan Kotthoff wrote: >>> Cleared cache yes...the i am navigating to >>> http://www.clarionstl.com/cgi-bin/hello.cgi which is the file that i >>> created as described in this tutorial. By the way, I just bought >>> your mini book Dan! >>> Did clear cache yes. >>> No there is no tester.cgi in that folder...but then again, the >>> hello.cgi file I am calling does not call any tester.cgi app. It >>> just says hello world... >> >> Some servers are set up to be pre-configured for certain extensions. >> The "cgi" extension may trigger their configuration instead of yours. >> To get around this, name your cgi files with a unique extension. It >> is customary for historical reasons to name Rev CGI scripts with >> ".mt" at the end, but you can pick something else (such as ".ts" for >> "transcript", etc.) I'd avoid any of the commonly-used ones though, >> like ".cgi". I think OS X is sending you to a CGI example site >> because it thinks you are using an invalid cgi. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From SupermanSlyr at aol.com Mon Jan 9 03:13:05 2006 From: SupermanSlyr at aol.com (SupermanSlyr at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:13:05 EST Subject: Slightly Overwhelmed Message-ID: <155.5ecf8648.30f37511@aol.com> In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:17:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes: Hello everyone, thank all of you very much for all your help. I've managed to learn a good deal about Revolution since I first started. I purchased Dan Shafer's book "Software At The Speed of Thought." An excellent book by the way! I've also gone over all the videos and referencing material, but it's a little hard wrapping my head around everything. There's very many commands and functions I'll never use, so it makes it difficult finding what I need and exactly how to use it once found. That's always been my problem though. I figure it'll get easier as I go. This is my current issue. I'm currently in school trying to obtain a criminal justice degree. I've worked part time for school credit with a local investigations agency. I did a few skip traces for him, and noticed his frustration with a current program he was using. It was a very simple looking program to store his clients and case data. I told him I could possibly make him a much better one that wouldn't crash. We talked and he gave me some ideas he'd like in the program. He said he'd like to be able to store data internally into the program (opposed to plain txt files that can be accessed by anyone). He wants the program password protected, with the ability to import pictures into the program that are appropriate to that case file. In other words possibly being able to enter an individuals information and include that subjects picture on the left side of the report (I'm sure you've seen programs like this in movies). He also said he wants to be able to import voice recordings as well. He even said he wanted the scanning picture effect while searching through suspects in his database. It all seems like pretty simple stuff to pull off. I'm sure Revolution could tackle this. I'm just still trying to get over this learning curve. What would be the best way of saving the data into the program, client info, pictures, audio? I thought about custom properties, but I haven't quite mastered those yet. How about the scanning picture effect while scanning through records, how in the world would I accomplish this (why on earth he asked for this I'll never know...)? Also any ideas of inspiration would be greatly appreciated. If this works out he agreed to give me a letter of recommendation and help me establish my professional contacts. In other words it could very well change my life. Getting my foot in the door now will insure it's open. PS: I've often contemplated where to obtain quality graphics for my programs. I'm looking for background images, icons, textures, animated menus, etc (the whole 9 yards). Does anyone have any recommendations on where to get customized graphics? Thanks again, Regards Joshua http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:23:30 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:23:30 -0800 Subject: SnapzPro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70ed6b130601090023i1208f34aofc0202b1fe3d5ec4@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, my experiences with Ambrosia tech support on SnapZProX has been superb. It's a utility without which I could not do a lot of my work. On 1/8/06, David Glasgow wrote: > I tried SnapzPro, and the Snapz before that. For my money it was > never as good as ScreenRecord. > > http://www.miensoftware.com/screenrecord.html > > I used that for my training vids, and happily paid the fee. Tried to > get help form Ambrosia re Snapz problems, and got nothing useful. > > However, whatever you use, you definitely don't want to capture > millions of colours! > > > Best Wishes, > > David Glasgow > > http://www.i-psych.co.uk > > On 8 Jan 2006, at 3:50 am, Judy Perry wrote: > > > Yeah, I have noticed this. I was drawing out a series of excerpts from > > a > > The Prisoner t.v. episode for my class (I was playing the DVD on the > > laptop and running the screen capture utility). > > > > With full-size, etc., video got jerky and became separated from the > > audio > > track. Reducing the window size and playing with the codecs made > > things > > positively manageable. > > > > Judy > > > > On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, James Z wrote: > > > >> Its a great utility but yiu need to watch file size. I made a movie > >> for my > >> user group, full screen, millions color, quite long and it ran to > >> 9GB! The > >> next version was considerably smaller. SnapZ Pro gives all kinds of > >> controll > >> over frame rate, compression, etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 9 03:46:26 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:46:26 +1100 Subject: Slightly Overwhelmed In-Reply-To: <155.5ecf8648.30f37511@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801c614f9$31809380$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Joshua, > Hello everyone, thank all of you very much for all your > help. I've managed > to learn a good deal about Revolution since I first started. > I purchased Dan > Shafer's book "Software At The Speed of Thought." An > excellent book by the > way! I've also gone over all the videos and referencing > material, but it's a > little hard wrapping my head around everything. There's very > many commands and > functions I'll never use, so it makes it difficult finding > what I need and > exactly how to use it once found. That's always been my > problem though. I > figure it'll get easier as I go. Rev can be a mystery to experienced programmers (of other languages) as well at first. Perseverance and a "try it in a stack and see" process is really rewarding. > What would be the best way of saving the data into the > program, client > info, pictures, audio? I thought about custom properties, but > I haven't quite > mastered those yet. How about the scanning picture effect > while scanning through > records, how in the world would I accomplish this (why on > earth he asked for > this I'll never know...)? Also any ideas of inspiration > would be greatly > appreciated. If this works out he agreed to give me a letter > of recommendation > and help me establish my professional contacts. In other > words it could very > well change my life. Getting my foot in the door now will > insure it's open. You could undoubtedly do this with external stacks as documented in the Employee database example in Rev Online. However I really don't think you can go past altSQLite for this. It's fast and will handle image files quickly and easily (especially if they are stored in a separate table for images). As far as the Hollywood effect of "scanning pictures" it's exactly that - an effect. It would be slow and cumbersome to display this way as you'd have to slow down the scan process to the point where a human can see it. In reality a real database would clumsy if forced to do this and would take a considerable amount of time. You'll note that in movies, where they do this, that the system throws up a sequence of photos and magically arrives at the correct one in a few scans. You might like to explain that to him... :-) > PS: I've often contemplated where to obtain quality graphics for my > programs. I'm looking for background images, icons, > textures, animated menus, etc > (the whole 9 yards). Does anyone have any recommendations on > where to get > customized graphics? Sure. Sue Pinchotta of Ace Icons. http://www.aceicons.com I use her icons sets all the time and she has created some custom ones for me too. They are really nice to look at and the PNG versions work well with Rev. She has some sample packs you can download as well as examples of her quality ones on the website... :-) HTH Scott From graham.samuel at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 9 03:51:08 2006 From: graham.samuel at wanadoo.fr (graham samuel) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:51:08 +0100 Subject: who provides webring? Message-ID: On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:37:29 -0600, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > > Sean Shao wrote: > > >> To make sure that you go to the newest site always use the domain >> redirect www.shaosean.tk and you can always reach me via email >> through >> the email redirect < info AT shaosean DOT tk > (it redirects to this >> hotmail account which I've had for about 6 years now, if not >> longer).. >> So please update any bookmarks or links on your website ^_^ >> > > I have tried to get to your site several times, and I just tried it > again, but I always get a "server not found" error. I used: > > http://www.shaosean.tk > > It still fails for me. Is there another way? Funny, it works for me here (in France) - I just clicked on the link in your mail. Maybe the site was taking the weekend off :) So I say, keep trying. Graham ---------------------------------------- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France From sgorton at usa.net Mon Jan 9 04:02:45 2006 From: sgorton at usa.net (Stephen Gorton) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:02:45 +1300 Subject: arrays Message-ID: <43C226B5.1060700@usa.net> Hi i'm struggling with this language (reference manuals have non-existant crossreferances - glorified faqs) what i want to do is hand a sub array to a function but only a range of elements ie i want to get an average from a set of data put avg(thearray[3 .. 8]) into theaverage how do i hand the function an element range of an array?? thanks Stephen From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Mon Jan 9 04:18:52 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:18:52 +0100 Subject: arrays In-Reply-To: <43C226B5.1060700@usa.net> Message-ID: Hi Stephen no struggle needed... put the keys of myarray into keylist repeat for each line thiskey in keylist get myarray[thiskey] if it is a number then put it & comma after nulist end repeat delete last char of nulist put average(nulist) into myAnswer cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 09/01/2006 10:02:45: > Hi > i'm struggling with this language (reference manuals have non-existant > crossreferances - glorified faqs) > > what i want to do is hand a sub array to a function > but only a range of elements > ie > i want to get an average from a set of data > > put avg(thearray[3 .. 8]) into theaverage > > how do i hand the function an element range of an array?? > > thanks > Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ----------------------------------------- To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. 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END OF DISCLAIMER From sgorton at usa.net Mon Jan 9 04:24:21 2006 From: sgorton at usa.net (Stephen Gorton) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:24:21 +1300 Subject: arrays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C22BC5.2030705@usa.net> cool but what are "keys"? if i want an avg from numbers associated with elements 3,4,5,6,7,8 of array thearray ie: keys := thearray[3 .. 8] or do i have to specify the entire list 3,4,5,6,7,8 ?? s xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: >Hi Stephen > >no struggle needed... > > >put the keys of myarray into keylist >repeat for each line thiskey in keylist >get myarray[thiskey] >if it is a number then put it & comma after nulist >end repeat >delete last char of nulist >put average(nulist) into myAnswer > >cheers >Xavier > >use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 09/01/2006 10:02:45: > > > >>Hi >>i'm struggling with this language (reference manuals have non-existant >>crossreferances - glorified faqs) >> >>what i want to do is hand a sub array to a function >>but only a range of elements >>ie >>i want to get an average from a set of data >> >>put avg(thearray[3 .. 8]) into theaverage >> >>how do i hand the function an element range of an array?? >> >>thanks >>Stephen >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-revolution mailing list >>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > > >----------------------------------------- >To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has >recently changed the email address format to conform with industry >standards. 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Any views expressed in this e-mail are >those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically >states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of >its affiliates or subsidiaries. > >END OF DISCLAIMER >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >. > > > From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Mon Jan 9 04:33:45 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:33:45 +0100 Subject: arrays In-Reply-To: <43C22BC5.2030705@usa.net> Message-ID: Stephen, look it up in the language reference... the keys returns the elements of the array example: repeat with x = 1 to 5 put random(100) into array[x] end repeat put the keys of the array -- what cells of the array are in use... ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 243 3 6465 Fax: +352 243 63 6465 Stephen Gorton Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 09/01/06 10:24 Please respond to How to use Revolution To How to use Revolution cc Subject Re: arrays cool but what are "keys"? if i want an avg from numbers associated with elements 3,4,5,6,7,8 of array thearray ie: keys := thearray[3 .. 8] or do i have to specify the entire list 3,4,5,6,7,8 ?? s xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: >Hi Stephen > >no struggle needed... > > >put the keys of myarray into keylist >repeat for each line thiskey in keylist >get myarray[thiskey] >if it is a number then put it & comma after nulist >end repeat >delete last char of nulist >put average(nulist) into myAnswer > >cheers >Xavier > >use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 09/01/2006 10:02:45: > > > >>Hi >>i'm struggling with this language (reference manuals have non-existant >>crossreferances - glorified faqs) >> >>what i want to do is hand a sub array to a function >>but only a range of elements >>ie >>i want to get an average from a set of data >> >>put avg(thearray[3 .. 8]) into theaverage >> >>how do i hand the function an element range of an array?? >> >>thanks >>Stephen >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-revolution mailing list >>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > > >----------------------------------------- >To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has >recently changed the email address format to conform with industry >standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. > >Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com > >IMPORTANT MESSAGE > >Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream >International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of >this message. > >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be >legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are >not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or >any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is >prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are >those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically >states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of >its affiliates or subsidiaries. > >END OF DISCLAIMER >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >. > > > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sgorton at usa.net Mon Jan 9 05:10:22 2006 From: sgorton at usa.net (Stephen Gorton) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:10:22 +1300 Subject: arrays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C2368E.2080601@usa.net> xavier, found the solution.... put average(item 2 of line 20 to 30 of thearray) into theaverage it scares me that i find the solution on google but not in the documentation to be honest - rev is very powerful - but its difficult to harness this power if it isn't documented, (ie 3rdparty books) references are fine if you know the -exact- keywords that you are looking for. thanks for the help s xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: >Stephen, > >look it up in the language reference... > >the keys returns the elements of the array > >example: >repeat with x = 1 to 5 > put random(100) into array[x] >end repeat > >put the keys of the array -- what cells of the array are in use... > >---------------------=--------------------- >Xavier Bury >Clearstream Services >TNS NT LAN Server >ext 36465 >Voice: +352 243 3 6465 >Fax: +352 243 63 6465 > > > >Stephen Gorton >Sent by: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com >09/01/06 10:24 >Please respond to >How to use Revolution > > >To >How to use Revolution >cc > >Subject >Re: arrays > > > > > > > >cool > >but >what are "keys"? >if i want an avg from numbers associated with elements 3,4,5,6,7,8 of >array thearray >ie: keys := thearray[3 .. 8] > >or do i have to specify the entire list 3,4,5,6,7,8 ?? > >s > > > >xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > > > >>Hi Stephen >> >>no struggle needed... >> >> >>put the keys of myarray into keylist >>repeat for each line thiskey in keylist >>get myarray[thiskey] >>if it is a number then put it & comma after nulist >>end repeat >>delete last char of nulist >>put average(nulist) into myAnswer >> >>cheers >>Xavier >> >>use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 09/01/2006 10:02:45: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi >>>i'm struggling with this language (reference manuals have non-existant >>>crossreferances - glorified faqs) >>> >>>what i want to do is hand a sub array to a function >>>but only a range of elements >>>ie >>>i want to get an average from a set of data >>> >>>put avg(thearray[3 .. 8]) into theaverage >>> >>>how do i hand the function an element range of an array?? >>> >>>thanks >>>Stephen >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>use-revolution mailing list >>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>subscription preferences: >>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>----------------------------------------- >>To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has >>recently changed the email address format to conform with industry >>standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. >> >>Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com >> >>IMPORTANT MESSAGE >> >>Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream >>International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of >>this message. >> >>The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be >>legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are >>not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or >>any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is >>prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are >>those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically >>states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of >>its affiliates or subsidiaries. >> >>END OF DISCLAIMER >>_______________________________________________ >>use-revolution mailing list >>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >> >subscription preferences: > > >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >>. >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >. > > > From alex at tweedly.net Mon Jan 9 06:09:07 2006 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:09:07 +0000 Subject: arrays In-Reply-To: <43C2368E.2080601@usa.net> References: <43C2368E.2080601@usa.net> Message-ID: <43C24453.2020407@tweedly.net> Stephen Gorton wrote: > xavier, > > found the solution.... > > put average(item 2 of line 20 to 30 of thearray) into theaverage > > it scares me that i find the solution on google but not in the > documentation > > to be honest - rev is very powerful - but its difficult to harness > this power if it isn't documented, (ie 3rdparty books) > references are fine if you know the -exact- keywords that you are > looking for. > Hold on just a second there Stephen :-) I think there was some confusion there ... in Rev, it's common to hold a number of values in a single variable, each on a separate line. Many constructs that would require an array in other languages can be best handled that way. It sounds as though that's what you're doing - and in that case "average(item 2 of line 20 to 30 of thearray)" is indeed the answer. However, that is not what Rev calls an array. In Rev an *array* is a set of cell elements, each has a content and an index; they can be referred to as tArray[index] so you might say put 213 into tArray[index] I'd suggest it's misleading and potentially confusing to call a variable "thearray" if it is, in fact, a standard Rev variable holding its contents as a series of line-separated values. If you go have one of those Rev arrays, then you can get the list of all index values (as Mr X. said) by doing put the keys of tArray into theKeys You may also want to see the docs on "combine" and "split" which provide handy ways to convert from the array form to the "list of values on lines" form if you need to do so. P.S. you're right about it being hard to use the docs until you know the exact right words to look up. But there aren't that many of them, you'll learn the ones you need fairly quickly - so hang in there. And this mailing list will be here to help if you get stuck ... -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 06/01/2006 From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Mon Jan 9 06:35:24 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:35:24 +0000 Subject: SSL Certificates on OSX (Dar :) In-Reply-To: <3225778B-23E1-41BC-8D95-C4CE4762AECE@openpartnership.net> References: <3225778B-23E1-41BC-8D95-C4CE4762AECE@openpartnership.net> Message-ID: On 6 Jan 2006, at 14:57, David Bovill wrote: > Has anyone used SSL certificates on OSX with Rev? A little. So this is definitely not expert advice. > > I have created and downloaded a certificate from www.cacert.org but > I am not sure if this is what is required. The file is > david at openpartnership.net.crt and not a .pem file. Also I am not > sure where to put it or how to work with keychain access - any > pointers? David, what is it you want to do with this certificate? Use it to provide your own secure web server, or to verify connections to https sites secured with certificates issued by CAcert? I'm assuming the latter. If that's right, then I *think* you will need a different certificate. I'm guessing the certificate you mention above is your personal certificate for securing websites, mail, etc. I tried this: From the following url https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 download the Class 1 (PEM format) Root Certificate. (This will be a file named "root.crt") Then set the sslCertificates to this file: set the sslCertificates to "/whatever/root.crt" Then to test, try to connect to ths test url: https://www.cacert.org/ put url "https://www.cacert.org/" into tData if the result is not empty then answer the result else answer "seem to be working" end if There should be no need to use libUrlSetSSLVerification. It is true by default, but if you have previously set it to false, then you should reset it to true. It certainly won't harm to specifically set it to true. I had some mixed success with this root.crt file. I could connect more often than not to the test url, but I also got a lot of socket timeouts. (on OS X 10.4.3) Good luck! Dave From sgorton at usa.net Mon Jan 9 06:48:51 2006 From: sgorton at usa.net (Stephen Gorton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:48:51 +1300 Subject: arrays In-Reply-To: <43C24453.2020407@tweedly.net> References: <43C2368E.2080601@usa.net> <43C24453.2020407@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <43C24DA3.1040803@usa.net> yes you're right. i have just completed my own version of the average function that can move up and down my "array" i keep forgetting tht we are talking about an associative array with possible non-numerical "keys" i am used to array[linenumber][itemnumber] which seems more simple to me (for what i wanna do anyway) thanks to all s Alex Tweedly wrote: > Stephen Gorton wrote: > >> xavier, >> >> found the solution.... >> >> put average(item 2 of line 20 to 30 of thearray) into theaverage >> >> it scares me that i find the solution on google but not in the >> documentation >> >> to be honest - rev is very powerful - but its difficult to harness >> this power if it isn't documented, (ie 3rdparty books) >> references are fine if you know the -exact- keywords that you are >> looking for. >> > Hold on just a second there Stephen :-) > > I think there was some confusion there ... in Rev, it's common to hold > a number of values in a single variable, each on a separate line. Many > constructs that would require an array in other languages can be best > handled that way. It sounds as though that's what you're doing - and > in that case "average(item 2 of line 20 to 30 of thearray)" is indeed > the answer. > > However, that is not what Rev calls an array. > > In Rev an *array* is a set of cell elements, each has a content and an > index; they can be referred to as > tArray[index] > so you might say > put 213 into tArray[index] > > I'd suggest it's misleading and potentially confusing to call a > variable "thearray" if it is, in fact, a standard Rev variable holding > its contents as a series of line-separated values. > If you go have one of those Rev arrays, then you can get the list of > all index values (as Mr X. said) by doing > put the keys of tArray into theKeys > > You may also want to see the docs on "combine" and "split" which > provide handy ways to convert from the array form to the "list of > values on lines" form if you need to do so. > > P.S. you're right about it being hard to use the docs until you know > the exact right words to look up. But there aren't that many of them, > you'll learn the ones you need fairly quickly - so hang in there. And > this mailing list will be here to help if you get stuck ... > > From david at openpartnership.net Mon Jan 9 06:57:23 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:57:23 +0100 Subject: SSL Certificates on OSX (Dar :) In-Reply-To: References: <3225778B-23E1-41BC-8D95-C4CE4762AECE@openpartnership.net> Message-ID: On 9 Jan 2006, at 12:35, Dave Cragg wrote: > David, what is it you want to do with this certificate? Use it to > provide your own secure web server, or to verify connections to > https sites secured with certificates issued by CAcert? I'm > assuming the latter. If that's right, then I *think* you will need > a different certificate. I'm guessing the certificate you mention > above is your personal certificate for securing websites, mail, etc. Yes - the latter (actually to secure web services). > I had some mixed success with this root.crt file. I could connect > more often than not to the test url, but I also got a lot of socket > timeouts. (on OS X 10.4.3) > > Good luck! Thanks, for the explanation Dave - hopefully the timeouts will prove to be CAcert server related.... From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Mon Jan 9 07:05:37 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:05:37 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, Message-ID: Hi Thank you for the idea. However I am not sure, that I understand your suggestion exactly.Are you thinking of 4 auxiliary substacks, which together invariably could cover, what lies outside a central 1024x768 window, - or are you thinking of one auxiliary substack, with 4 thus placed images. That would be nice, but only operate, if a central area of a stack can be made transparent, thus revealing the relevant window on an underlying "real" stack. Is that possible in revolution ? Kresten From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Mon Jan 9 07:25:08 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:25:08 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, - still unsolved !!! Message-ID: sorry to repeat sending, but experiment to get reply attached to the original thread: Hi Thank you for the idea. However I am not sure, that I understand your suggestion exactly.Are you thinking of 4 auxiliary substacks, which together invariably could cover, what lies outside a central 1024x768 window, - or are you thinking of one auxiliary substack, with 4 thus placed images. That would be nice, but only operate, if a central area of a stack can be made transparent, thus revealing the relevant window on an underlying "real" stack. Is that possible in revolution ? Kresten From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Jan 9 07:49:28 2006 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:49:28 -0600 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, - still unsolved !!! Message-ID: 4 images on your current stack > sorry to repeat sending, but experiment to get reply attached to the original thread: > > Hi > Thank you for the idea. However I am not sure, that I understand your suggestion exactly.Are you thinking of 4 auxiliary substacks, which together invariably could cover, what lies outside a central 1024x768 window, - or are you thinking of one auxiliary substack, with 4 thus placed images. That would be nice, but only operate, if a central area of a stack can be made transparent, thus revealing the relevant window on an underlying "real" stack. Is that possible in revolution ? > Kresten > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- Monte Goulding Sweat Technologies InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds Download it now: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ From klaus at major-k.de Mon Jan 9 08:34:46 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:34:46 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, - still unsolved !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kresten > > 4 images on your current stack > >> sorry to repeat sending, but experiment to get reply attached to the > original thread: >> >> Hi >> Thank you for the idea. However I am not sure, that I understand > your suggestion exactly.Are you thinking of 4 auxiliary substacks, > which together invariably could cover, what lies outside a central > 1024x768 window, - or are you thinking of one auxiliary substack, with > 4 thus placed images. That would be nice, but only operate, if a > central area of a stack can be made transparent, thus revealing the > relevant window on an underlying "real" stack. Is that possible in > revolution ? >> Kresten maybe a windowshape would do what you want A simple (rectangular) image with a hole in the middle? The "hole" will be rendered as not existing, so one could acces a stack that lies under (or even above) that part of the screen. Just a quick thought... Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From mlange at lexicall.org Mon Jan 9 09:29:03 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:29:03 +0000 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes Message-ID: Dear all, Thanks for the kind words on the new cms. My log suggests that many of you paid it a visit... and came back. 500 pages now and still growing! Some more information. 1. We had discussed the fact that this was viable only if (a) everything was automated as much as possible, (b) a person comited to this and toke responsibility for maintenance, welcoming the contribution of volunteers but not depending on it for the continuation of the service. I thought about ways to automatize as much as possible... I arrived at the same conclusion as Amazon (see slashdot post ). For quality classification, we need human intervention. I see this as my personal scripter's scrapbook that I am happy to share with the community and let the community contribute to and augment with their own snippets and functions. Quality of the service will increase the more community members contribute but even if nobody does, users will still have something useful that will get maintained simply because I depend on it. 2. Many of you already registered. Thanks for that. You have probably been disappointed to see that "registering" didn't allow you to change the content. Be patient. I would be very much interested in having you give a hand and contribute your own code. The issue here is that the CMS I use has a permission system that is not that obvious ... For now, when I give editing authorization, it is possible to create a page with php code to be executed. Well, I will take a bit more time to understand what I should be doing to give you maximum power while minimizing risks of incidents. I hope to have this solved by start of next week. We will then be able to discuss suggestions etc. Till I solve these permission mysteries, editing is only possible with a "moderator" status which is allocated on request, to trusted members of the community (regular contributors to the use-list). 3. Code colorization routines have already been much improved. They now exist for 4 languages, xtalk, awk, rebol, php. To add new ones is a piece of cake. It suffices to add a "language.syntax" file with a format like this one (this is for awk, written in php) : // Functions - synFunction $html = preg_replace('/(close|getline|...|systime)\b/', '\\1', $html); // Control structure - synPreProc $html = preg_replace('/\b(BEGIN|END|if|while|...|exit|next)\b/', '\\1', $html); // Variables - synConstant $html = preg_replace('/\b(ARGC|ARGIND|ARGV|ENVIRON|...|SUBSEP) \b/', '\\1', $html); so if you would like me to add colorization for another language, very simple, you provide me with the syntax file for this language or you find somebody who can write it for you. You will find instructions of this kind for a large range of languages in the textmate bundles, syntax folder of a given bundle: 4. The news aggregator for now requires manual update . I have added a few more elearning links. If you would like other feeds to be added (to the condition they would be of interest to a decent number of community members), feel free to send me an email with the link to the feed and a description of it. I need to find that cron.php file they mention and automatize this. I tend to do it once a day. About email, I check out the revolution digests only once a day... so for rapid replies, best is to copy or send to me directly. 5. I would like to add a bookmark library too. There is a default "bookmark" module but it doesn't include a description field which makes it unpractical. If somebody wants to have a go and modify one of the existing modules to change it into a "bookmarks" browsing one, you are very welcome to do so. Otherwise, you will probably have to wait at least a month to see it added to the cms. 6. It would be quite easy to incorporate the revdocs, in viewing mode, with the ability to comment them. I have already written the program that parse the doc, transform it into sql tables. But this will need to be discussed with runrev ( it would probably be more adequate to have this on a website that they maintain). 7. To answer a question. The technology behind this is not mine. The cms I use is called Drupal (). All taxonomy modules have been contributed by members of the Drupal community. I had nothing else to do than install Drupal, change the theme slightly, add the taxonomy modules, have Drupal use them and that was done! For code colorization, I had to hack a bit to get the xtalk colorization but the Drupal cms is so well written, so beautifully modular in structure that it didn't take me much time to understand how to do it and do it. I strongly recommend it. It wouldn't be too difficult to do the same in runrev... In a sense, this has already been done. Check out Flexible Learning Scripter's scrapbook for this. Enjoy, Marielle > Hi Marielle, > > I thought you were a woman. > I know now you are a large team ;-) > I will put online a picture of the team at work later ;-). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From sonesond1 at southernct.edu Mon Jan 9 09:31:20 2006 From: sonesond1 at southernct.edu (Dan Soneson) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:31:20 -0500 Subject: How do I select text in a field? Message-ID: <9A30D7CA-811C-11DA-B83B-000A959A7C0C@southernct.edu> This command does not work in the Message Box, apparently since the message box entry field retains the focus. However, when you create a button with only this command in the mouseUp handler it ought to work just fine. Are you doing other things with your button script that might get in the way? Dan > Curious....this works here. You don't have an 'on openField' or some > other handler that might interfere? > > > Mark > > On 9 Jan 2006, at 01:42, Bill Vlahos wrote: > >> I want to programatically select text in a field as if I had >> doubleclicked it. For example... I want to select word 4 of a field. >> >> When I enter the following statement in the Message Box or in a >> button: >> >> select word 4 of field "one" >> >> The insertion point flashes in the field and the focus border >> flashes but no text is selected. How do I do this? >> >> Bill Vlahos From mlange at lexicall.org Mon Jan 9 09:41:44 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:44 +0000 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes Message-ID: I forgot to repeat the link, as this is quite new: Also note that the "open stacks" gallery () has been updated with information about the "dynamic digital maps" open source app. and "ChanceLab" and other stacks announced on this list, over the last 2 weeks. The "case studies" () gallery has been updated as well with a few more examples of professional stacks developed with runrev (Richard, Chipp, Hugh, Malte, I added mention of your stacks... let me know if this is a problem and I will remove them). For both the open and professional stacks, let me know if you have material that you believe worthy to be advertised there. Even better, use the "metadata file creator" stack at the top of the gallery to edit the metadatafile describing your app, along with a screenshot (of width 200px). I know, I should produce a rss feed for this gallery or, better, integrate it in the codes cms... not on the list of things to do this month. If you want to do it for me and send me the code... please do so :-). Marielle From revolution at derbrill.de Mon Jan 9 09:59:00 2006 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:59:00 +0100 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <20060109065041.7F3B1825113@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7774B8BF-8120-11DA-AF7A-0030659A795C@derbrill.de> Hi Marielle, first of all, I really like this and thanks for all the work you put into it. > (Richard, Chipp, Hugh, Malte, I added mention of your stacks...) Thanks for adding my work. All the best, Malte -- ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Mon Jan 9 10:03:57 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:03:57 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, - still unsolved !!! Message-ID: Klaus wrote "maybe a windowshape would do what you want A simple (rectangular) image with a hole in the middle? The "hole" will be rendered as not existing, so one could acces a stack that lies under (or even above) that part of the screen." Do you mean an image on another stack...or how else can rev represent an image ? Kresten _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Mon Jan 9 10:07:03 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:07:03 -0500 Subject: Slightly Overwhelmed In-Reply-To: <155.5ecf8648.30f37511@aol.com> References: <155.5ecf8648.30f37511@aol.com> Message-ID: <74B1791D-956B-4318-B6E7-2BE79019ECCE@adelphia.net> Since the effect you describe is not practical i.e. it will be very slow. Then you could consider an effect for show. I think you have two choices here: 1. you could animate a gif with ten or so images that go through the 'fake' process of scanning to 'show' the effect. and 2. You could set up a slide show to slowly scan through the real images for identifying purposes. This becomes a useful part of your software. I think though that if you do create a software for your 'mentor' that you should retain the rights to it because if he likes it you may have a viable product to sell. Tom On Jan 9, 2006, at 3:13 AM, SupermanSlyr at aol.com wrote: > He even said > he wanted the scanning picture effect while searching through > suspects in his > database. It all seems like pretty simple stuff to pull off. I'm sure > Revolution could tackle this. I'm just still trying to get over > this learning > curve. Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu Mon Jan 9 10:16:43 2006 From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:16:43 -0600 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: <362E9225-CA31-4561-9AC1-56B88028C1D0@hindu.org> References: <20060108052357.62744.qmail@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> <47527CA2-5E03-4E38-B05C-E79A957D9FD6@hindu.org> <43C16E19.42BAE6F0@club-internet.fr> <362E9225-CA31-4561-9AC1-56B88028C1D0@hindu.org> Message-ID: <00B0F00F-043A-44B0-BF99-7AB9724C8599@unlserve.unl.edu> I was introduced to RunRev at the 2004 MacWorld. I spent the better part of the next 15 or so months converting a HC cgi backend to a RunRev backend -- with success. The biggest challenge was in getting Apache to produce AppleEvents. At RunRev West in 2005, Jerry Daniels showed some programs that kept data in xml-like text files. I was in little mood for this having just spent so much time on my conversion. However, the speed was compelling. I now have 4 projects running under transcript cgi-s with no other scripting. I'm very happy with this. One of these projects has some public stuff available: dwbrr.unl.edu/ Zoo Another, the Advanced Placement chemistry descriptive chemistry practice site, will go public in about 2 weeks. Last semester I ran my course entirely from RunRev cgi scripts, and I've just completed making the system more friendly to mulltiple users. Several of my students are working on projects developing thin Web clients. I see us developing some Ajax stuff with transcript, too. Developing these cgi systems is much harder than developing stacks because of the development tools. I've built a few stacks to 'test' cgi scripts, and will share these when they become more robust. Meanwhile, many folks here have developed free and/or low cost tools that I recommend. Look at Jerry Daniels, Richard Gaskin, and Ken Ray as outstanding sources. (Daniels inspection gadget tool has saved me a couple of hours.) For starters, the written materials developed by Jackie Gay on cgi are very, very helpful. Overall, I'm VERY pleased with transcript cgi-s. Dave Brooks On Jan 8, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote > oops, I lied (smile) we do have PMWIKI running and that is PHP... > but I don't have to touch it, other than set some values in conf > files. > So, yes, I guess we are like JB: 1% php... > > On Jan 08, 2006, at 9:55 AM, jbv wrote: From klaus at major-k.de Mon Jan 9 10:21:01 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:21:01 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, - still unsolved !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A8EDDD5-8BB1-4C56-ABB2-412CB2CCACFD@major-k.de> Hi Kresten, > Klaus wrote > > "maybe a windowshape would do what you want > A simple (rectangular) image with a hole in the middle? > > The "hole" will be rendered as not existing, so one could acces a > stack > that lies under (or even above) that part of the screen." > > Do you mean an image on another stack... ??? Sorry, no capisce... > or how else can rev represent an image ? I meant to use an image as the windowshape, so the "shape" of your stack would be a rectangle with a hole in the middle. This way you could have your 4 images in ONE stack and have another stack at the position of the hole above or underneth the other stack. Drop a line if you are completely lost and i will create and send you a little example stack. And i still hope that we all understand your problem correctly! After finding and reading your original post i am not so sure about that... ;-) > Kresten Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Mon Jan 9 10:49:30 2006 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:49:30 -0500 Subject: Tricks for accessing Oracle via ODBC??? Message-ID: Hello List, I am trying to connect to an Oracle database via ODBC (mainly because I can't get the built-in Rev support for Oracle to work). Anyways, when I issue the sql query SELECT * FROM MyTableName; all that is returned is the field headers... no data. I know the database is populated because other tools will return the data using the same query command. Any ideas/suggestions? Best regards, Roger Eller From kee at kagi.com Mon Jan 9 11:03:33 2006 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:03:33 -0800 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EC06267-9B54-4712-8DA2-7D583156BBC0@kagi.com> On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > All you would ever want to know about CGIs is at Jacque Landman > Gay's site: > > http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html uh, it does not cover secure connections so ... "All you would ever want to know about CGIs" would not apply to me. :-) Kee Nethery From jason at polydiam.com Mon Jan 9 11:08:10 2006 From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason (Polydiam)) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:08:10 -0000 Subject: setting default directory using 'answer file' Message-ID: <000501c61536$e5296370$0200a8c0@Jason> I want to use a 'answer file' open command but I want it to open up a directory named "images" which will be in the same directory as the application. Is this possible? Thank you so much for your help. Jason From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Jan 9 11:16:11 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:16:11 +0100 Subject: setting default directory using 'answer file' In-Reply-To: <000501c61536$e5296370$0200a8c0@Jason> References: <000501c61536$e5296370$0200a8c0@Jason> Message-ID: <82E4E473-07A1-425E-916C-39EF3198DCF9@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Jason, Sure! Have a look at the 'answer file [with type]' command For instance: answer file "Choose a file:" with the defaultFolder -- a function answer file "Choose a file:" with "/Applications/Revolution 2.6.1/ plugins/" -- a path answer file "Choose a file:" with tFolder -- a variable Le 9 janv. 06 ? 17:08, Jason (Polydiam) a ?crit : > I want to use a 'answer file' open command but I want it to open up a > directory named "images" which will be in the same directory as the > application. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Jan 9 11:25:46 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:25:46 -0800 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: <861FFDA2-79E4-4A84-A4C3-FA4ABF15A0AD@hindu.org> References: <861FFDA2-79E4-4A84-A4C3-FA4ABF15A0AD@hindu.org> Message-ID: <8F31862D-17E0-4158-BBC1-6457B409283C@mangomultimedia.com> On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:32 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > I thought the "media player wars" would dictate a strategy by Apple > to make sure *any* Windows user could easily run QT. At least > Apple has not deleted it from their web site... a search turns up > any number of old versions, which in itself is confusing: > > http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime652forwindows.html > > Does anyone know if QT 6.5.2 was the latest and last one released > for Windows 98? Every time I search on Apples site I would land on > a different one 6.2.5, 6.3... and there was no way to know which is > the latest for Windows 98 6.5.2 is the newest 6.x release I believe. The 6.5.2 download page you mention above is the url we have used for our customers who need 6.x. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From rcozens at pon.net Mon Jan 9 11:56:20 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:56:20 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060109081342.019ec520@pon.net> Paul, >Can your design allow you to separate the images in "X2" from the >resources that must be opened? I understand now that stacks X2 & X3 were created by other people. I also understand that, for whatever reason, X2 must be remain open when X3 is opened. This leaves me mystified as to what you want to achieve (not that it's any of my business; but it's hard to propose a solution when one doesn't understand the problem). * Are you trying to compare the two stacks? * Do you have some other reason for needing them both open at the same time? * If they were authored by the same person and meant to work in tandem, you should notify the author of the conflict. * If they were authored by different people but still meant to work with others' stacks open, you should notify both authors of the conflict. The odds of icon conflict are greatest, I suggest, when authors import images and leave the ids as assigned by Rev. At the very least, increasing the id values for images by some six-digit amount reduces the odds of icon conflict. If the author(s) of X2 and X3 expect their stacks to be run along with others' stacks, they should reserve a set of unique icon ids on Ken Ray's website. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From bvg at mac.com Mon Jan 9 12:01:38 2006 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:01:38 +0100 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: <7EC06267-9B54-4712-8DA2-7D583156BBC0@kagi.com> References: <7EC06267-9B54-4712-8DA2-7D583156BBC0@kagi.com> Message-ID: <55b03e245ceb23cb9493034842b5b392@mac.com> As far as I know there's no such thing as secure connections in rev cgi's. Ssl is a feature since 2.5 (?). But cgi's are version 2.1. On Jan 09 2006, at 17:03, kee nethery wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Ken Ray wrote: >> All you would ever want to know about CGIs is at Jacque Landman Gay's >> site: >> >> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html > > uh, it does not cover secure connections so ... "All you would ever > want to know about CGIs" would not apply to me. > :-) > Kee Nethery -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From rcozens at pon.net Mon Jan 9 12:08:11 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:08:11 -0800 Subject: setting default directory using 'answer file' In-Reply-To: <82E4E473-07A1-425E-916C-39EF3198DCF9@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <000501c61536$e5296370$0200a8c0@Jason> <82E4E473-07A1-425E-916C-39EF3198DCF9@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060109085933.0196c658@pon.net> Hi Jason, >>I want to use a 'answer file' open command but I want it to open up a >>directory named "images" which will be in the same directory as the >>application. From the app: set the itemDelimiter to "/" get the effective fileName of me put "images" into item -1 of it put "/" after it answer file "Choose a file:" with it Note: For this to work for compiled Mac OSX standalones, the images folder must reside _inside_ the application bundle, not in the folder containing the application bundle. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From bvg at mac.com Mon Jan 9 12:12:42 2006 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:12:42 +0100 Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: <43C1F699.402@hyperactivesw.com> References: <43C1F699.402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <62e5188989bf2937a715ff57b162d8f2@mac.com> It always fails for me too, what i do is search for "shaosean" in google. The first entry is 66.160.136.21/shaosean/ which in turn works for me. On Jan 09 2006, at 06:37, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sean Shao wrote: > >> To make sure that you go to the newest site always use the domain >> redirect www.shaosean.tk and you can always reach me via email >> through the email redirect < info AT shaosean DOT tk > (it redirects >> to this hotmail account which I've had for about 6 years now, if not >> longer).. So please update any bookmarks or links on your website ^_^ > > I have tried to get to your site several times, and I just tried it > again, but I always get a "server not found" error. I used: > > http://www.shaosean.tk > > It still fails for me. Is there another way? -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr Mon Jan 9 12:32:46 2006 From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:32:46 +0100 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI References: <7EC06267-9B54-4712-8DA2-7D583156BBC0@kagi.com> <55b03e245ceb23cb9493034842b5b392@mac.com> Message-ID: <43C29E34.20F4FE48@club-internet.fr> > As far as I know there's no such thing as secure connections in rev > cgi's. > Ssl is a feature since 2.5 (?). But cgi's are version 2.1. not exactly. I have installed Rev 2.5 linux as cgi. but I don't know if ssl is available for that version... JB From jeff at siphonophore.com Mon Jan 9 12:26:07 2006 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:26:07 -0500 Subject: Quicktime for Windows 98? In-Reply-To: <20060109065041.238EF825120@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060109065041.238EF825120@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Sivakatirswami, Apple is very careful about the quicktime distribution. If you want to distribute quicktime with your product you have to jump through several hoops to do so. They are very restrictive. You can only distribute the most current version of QT with your product. If you reissue the product you also have to update the quicktime w/in 6 months. Also your installer must also run the quicktime installer in one installation step. they also want reports on your distribution of discs containing qt and samples of the disc for verification. they use to have the requirement that your application must only work with the newest version of quicktime, at least they have dropped that! Also they dont license qt for download, you have to send folks to the qt site for that. bottom line is its really a mess to try and fufill all these regulations and i have just stepped back to having folks need to have quicktime or download it themselves. I can see why apple has abandoned 98 for its current, supported, software. its way past its lifetime for support and I am sure they just cant afford to support all legacy systems out there with all the lastest qt festures. I wish their distribution agreement was less restrictive, but i guess it is how they ensure there are not a lot of discs being distributed now with a 5 year old version of quicktime on it (there are, but this just reduces this greatly). so any distribution by you of the older versions of qt will have to be under the table. if you search around the apple downloads you can find the qt 6.3 installer there for download. I think its the last version that ran under 98, so you could send folks there, but I would not trust that it is going to continue to be there for ever, although apple has been pretty good about keeping old stuff around for legacy systems, just sometimes not that easy to find! http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120261 cheers, jeff On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:50 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > 100,000 hits logged on to just one of our web sites in December 2005 > whose user agent was "Windows 98" .....So if we deploy a free app > that requires QT... ? unique IP's? hard to say... (webalizer is > "deficient" to say the least) don't know maybe that represents 40,000 > users? They are left stranded? > > I thought the "media player wars" would dictate a strategy by Apple > to make sure *any* Windows user could easily run QT. At least Apple > has not deleted it from their web site... a search turns up any > number of old versions, which in itself is confusing: > > http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime652forwindows.html > > Does anyone know if QT 6.5.2 was the latest and last one released for > Windows 98? Every time I search on Apples site I would land on a > different one 6.2.5, 6.3... and there was no way to know which is the > latest for Windows 98 > > I filled in Apple's Feedback with a suggestion to Apple they add a > link to an older version on their Windows QT page. > > > Thanks to Richmond for sending me an installer. > > Sivakatirswami From kee at kagi.com Mon Jan 9 12:31:04 2006 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:31:04 -0800 Subject: Using Revolution as a CGI In-Reply-To: <55b03e245ceb23cb9493034842b5b392@mac.com> References: <7EC06267-9B54-4712-8DA2-7D583156BBC0@kagi.com> <55b03e245ceb23cb9493034842b5b392@mac.com> Message-ID: <04027940-21C3-4D4C-B64C-417FB3C4123F@kagi.com> to be more precise, rev cgi accessed via https setting up a certificate for https web serving is still kinda tricky kee On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > As far as I know there's no such thing as secure connections in rev > cgi's. > Ssl is a feature since 2.5 (?). But cgi's are version 2.1. From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Mon Jan 9 13:20:43 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:20:43 +0900 Subject: getExif Message-ID: <20060109182044.12391@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Exif data reader. Not support TIFF. All script is public domain. Have fun. http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif10.hqx UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From jerry at daniels-mara.com Mon Jan 9 13:44:20 2006 From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:44:20 -0600 Subject: save for web name length In-Reply-To: <20060106035412.79272.qmail@web81110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060106035412.79272.qmail@web81110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kathy, It's "all y'all" for the all-inclusive, plural of "y'all." Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com/products On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:54 PM, Kathy Jaqua wrote: > > Hi all y'alls (or is it alls y'all?:-) > > Anyone know the limit of a png image "Save for Web" > name length? > I am using adobe CS2? > > Thanks > > Kathy Graves Jaqua > A Wildest Dream Software > San Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From liamlambert at mac.com Mon Jan 9 14:03:51 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:03:51 +0000 Subject: Serial communication Message-ID: <3C8FD402-49BC-473F-A5AA-9FFC97A608D7@mac.com> Try this stack from http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html from sarah's page. Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Jan 9 14:15:23 2006 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:15:23 -0800 Subject: Mac OS 10.2.x system config files In-Reply-To: <43C1DBF2.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> References: <43C1DBF2.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <96BED810-BAC6-4EE7-890C-1EB4B1A776F5@canelasoftware.com> On Jan 8, 2006, at 7:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I need to know where OS X version 10.2.x stores its system config > file. In 10.3 and 10.4 it is here: > > /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist > > Apparently this isn't the case in 10.2 and I don't have an older > system to check it. In particular, I'm looking for the MAC address. > Does anyone have 10.2 who can tell me which file contains this info? > > Thanks. Hi Jacque, Ken has a method for getting the MAC address via applescript if that will work for you. It is on his website. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From sl at trackandfieldnews.com Mon Jan 9 15:22:20 2006 From: sl at trackandfieldnews.com (Sieg Lindstrom) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:22:20 -0800 Subject: making it run with Dreamcard Player Message-ID: I converted what used to be a Hypercard stack to a Revolution stack, revised it in Revolution to get all the proper Transcript in place, and it runs perfectly. Now I want to distribute it for others in my company to run using the Dreamcard Player. When I open the stack using Dreamcard Player it does not run the way it's supposed to, and even though I've included an instruction to "save this stack" on closeStack, no changes are saved. I understand that Revolution stacks saved as standalone apps are write-only. Is this also true of stacks being run using Dreamcard Player? My end users need to be able to revise fields in this stack and save their revisions. Is this possible? There is at least one other way in which the stack's behavior when run through Dreamcard Player varies from the way it runs through Revolution, but I guess I should iron them out one at a time. Can anyone recommend a good reference source for issues one needs to consider to make a Revolution stack run correctly using Dreamcard Player? Thanks in advance for any advice. SL From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Jan 9 16:49:10 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:49:10 -0800 Subject: Tricks for accessing Oracle via ODBC??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1651716868.20060109134910@ahsoftware.net> Roger- Monday, January 9, 2006, 7:49:30 AM, you wrote: > I am trying to connect to an Oracle database via ODBC (mainly because I > can't get the built-in Rev support for Oracle to work). Anyways, when I There are many problems with rev's odbc driver. I'm using BZ #1528 as a central gathering point for bug votes. You'd be better off using a different tool to work with Oracle databases (there are several good java frontends available), rather than beating your head against the wall trying to do any database work in rev. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rgriffit at ctc.net Mon Jan 9 17:13:21 2006 From: rgriffit at ctc.net (Raymond Griffith) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:13:21 -0500 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a suggestion. You can take your window and make it a background, and use the scroll properties of the background to view what you wish. So your stack might be 1024 x 768, but the background can be much larger. Hide the rest of the screen with a backdrop. Hope that helps. Raymond E. Griffith On 1/9/06 7:05 AM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > Hi > Thank you for the idea. However I am not sure, that I understand your > suggestion exactly.Are you thinking of 4 auxiliary substacks, which together > invariably could cover, what lies outside a central 1024x768 window, - or are > you thinking of one auxiliary substack, with 4 thus placed images. That would > be nice, but only operate, if a central area of a stack can be made > transparent, thus revealing the relevant window on an underlying "real" stack. > Is that possible in revolution ? > Kresten > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mlange at lexicall.org Mon Jan 9 17:19:39 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:19:39 +0000 Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes Message-ID: > Hi Marielle, > > I know now you are a large team ;-) > Meet the team: About the guy on the right. You may have heard rumors of UFOs here in Scotland lately . Well, I decided to deal with it the other way around. I abducted an alien! That guy (or whatever I need to call him) is great... able to do an impressive amount of work in a somewhat limited time. Though, sometimes it is a bit difficult to communicate with that guy that comes from another planet. The one in the middle has been working with me the longest. I met him when I was in Cambridge. He helped a lot with my MPhil there and then my PhD. He is a great analytic thinker and problem solver. Whenever I try to understand something that I struggle with, I end up talking him through and then somehow, in a very socratic way , he guides my reflection ... But from his white gown, you can see he is a purist and sometimes, he takes too much time to think about doing rather than do what needs to be done. The one on the left is the self-proclaimed "artistic" one. But you can see from his style of clothing that he is not really onto new and innovative styles. He plays a bit too much security. That's perhaps because of his lack of sense of security that he tends to never finish things 100% or leave small errors. He would like to be a great artist, a great innovator but somehow he cannot convince himself he is or he can be. The three of them together, they do all the work, really. The team takes care of everything. Marielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 17:23:36 2006 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David Coker) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:23:36 -0600 Subject: making it run with Dreamcard Player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Sieg, Here's a shot in the dark... You might want to make sure that the DC Player is not in secure mode (the default status) and try running you stack again. I *think* that the default security mode will not allow writing to the drive. You can access the security properties in the player by clicking on the Revolution Icon out beside the file folder icon. Another option is to try Ken's "StackRunner" application in place of the DC Player: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm HTH, -Dave- On 1/9/06, Sieg Lindstrom wrote: > I converted what used to be a Hypercard stack to a Revolution stack, revised > it in Revolution to get all the proper Transcript in place, and it runs > perfectly. Now I want to distribute it for others in my company to run using > the Dreamcard Player. > > When I open the stack using Dreamcard Player it does not run the way it's > supposed to, and even though I've included an instruction to "save this > stack" on closeStack, no changes are saved. > > I understand that Revolution stacks saved as standalone apps are write-only. > Is this also true of stacks being run using Dreamcard Player? My end users > need to be able to revise fields in this stack and save their revisions. Is > this possible? > > There is at least one other way in which the stack's behavior when run > through Dreamcard Player varies from the way it runs through Revolution, but > I guess I should iron them out one at a time. > > Can anyone recommend a good reference source for issues one needs to > consider to make a Revolution stack run correctly using Dreamcard Player? > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > SL > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Jan 9 17:31:43 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:31:43 -0600 Subject: making it run with Dreamcard Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/9/06 4:23 PM, "David Coker" wrote: > Hello Sieg, > Here's a shot in the dark... You might want to make sure that the DC > Player is not in secure mode (the default status) and try running you > stack again. I *think* that the default security mode will not allow > writing to the drive. > > You can access the security properties in the player by clicking on > the Revolution Icon out beside the file folder icon. > > Another option is to try Ken's "StackRunner" application in place of > the DC Player: > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm Good point, David. Since SR doesn't run with secureMode turned on and doesn't have any of the "frills", it may be better served for inhouse distribution of stacks. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Jan 9 17:36:21 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:36:21 -0800 Subject: MacWorld Expo Message-ID: <624547839.20060109143621@ahsoftware.net> All- Just to reiterate: I'm planning on heading up in the Users Group Lounge, room 250/252/256, depending on where you read it (up the escalator, west mezzanine in the south hall) at 4PM on Tuesday, or as close to it as I can make it after Joshua Redman's set, and then just hang there for a while so we can gather and figure out what to do from there. The 4PM event there seems to be open to everyone and the next hour is set aside for "networking". If you're planning on showing up there, try to RSVP to me so we don't leave without you, but just show up if you can anyway. The event list: http://www.ilenesmachine.com/partylist.shtml -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Camm29 at tesco.net Mon Jan 9 17:41:26 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:41:26 -0000 Subject: Serial communication References: <3C8FD402-49BC-473F-A5AA-9FFC97A608D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <000201c6156e$c7b8ca00$0a01a8c0@mobile1> This stack is great but i still can't solve my serial comm problem in Rev (It works in Visual Basic and others !) I have some custom made Hardware that i communicate to in Serial. This Hardware returns the Character ">" when ready and able to Receive and/or finished replying. so before any write to file "COM:1" or read from file "COM:1" (I must have received the Char ">") i have tried many combinations in trying to get this to work !!!!!! somehow if i loop like below i still manage to send before ">" is received it would seem which causes errors ??? repeat 100 write ------- wait for ">" read ------- end It's a mystery or i lost the plot. Nothing wrong with comm settings or hardware for sure. Regards Camm ----- Original Message ----- From: "liamlambert" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Serial communication > Try this stack from http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html from > sarah's page. > > > Liam Lambert > liamlambert at mac.com > IRELAND > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From europe at ehug.info Mon Jan 9 18:02:50 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:02:50 +0100 Subject: Set Text Size is empty but then not empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C2EB9A.80308@ehug.info> Have you tried: put the text of fld da into fld da Best, Mark > So, question remains: how to get the field and the text inside it back to its original "pristine" state, where the cmd "set the textsize of fld field2 to 12" will be effective? > Of course Sarah's work around will work > > set the textsize of fld da to tSize > set the textsize of char 1 to char -1 of fld da to tSize > > but it begs the question > -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Mon Jan 9 18:13:32 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:13:32 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, Message-ID: Hi Klaus, - it sounds as if you have understood my problem: wanting to display -on demand - any of nine 1024x768 areas of this oversize stack, and only 1 such area at a time,- which works fine on 1024x768 screens, but which, on larger screens exhibits parts of neighbouring areas. However, when I make a substack, whether there are images on it or not, I cant see, how I can obtain any transparancy down to the oversize stack. So I think I will gratefully receive the offer of an exemplifying illustration of a stack with a transparent hole. Kresten From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be Mon Jan 9 18:23:55 2006 From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:23:55 +0100 Subject: getExif In-Reply-To: <20060109182044.12391@mail.chabashira.co.jp> References: <20060109182044.12391@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: <638E280C-E194-43D0-8A33-22ADAE21E601@scarlet.be> Thanks for this stack UDI. (TIFF in the future?) Greetings, Wouter On 09 Jan 2006, at 19:20, UDI wrote: > Exif data reader. Not support TIFF. > All script is public domain. Have fun. > > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif10.hqx > > UDI > eudio at chabashira.co.jp > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Jan 9 18:30:36 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:30:36 -0800 Subject: SoCal RUG meeting: January 20 Message-ID: <43C2F21C.3000007@fourthworld.com> The next SoCal Rev User Group meeting will be held at 7pm on Friday, January 20, at the Fourth World Embassy in downtown Los Angeles. Presentations are still being lined up, so if you have something you'd like to share let me know and I'll make a slot for you. The format is as usual: 7 - 8: presentation 8 - 9: dinner at Barbara's, the restaurant here in this complex 9 - 10: presentation Bonus: 10 - ?: Extreme Shuffleboard (Anyone who wants to stay late can enjoy drinks over a game of Extreme Shuffleboard. WARNING: Ken Ray will be here and he's been known to be a shuffleboard shark. If you haven't been here before just drop me a note and I'll send directions. Please RSVP so I can make sure I have enough refreshments and dessert. See ya' then - -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 18:51:31 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:51:31 -0800 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/9/06 3:13 PM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > So I think I will gratefully receive the offer of an exemplifying illustration of a stack with a transparent hole. Here you go ... IMHO, the best for you would be to go to: http://tactilemedia.com/download/ and at the bottom of the page will be WindowLab.rev as usual, quite impressive by Scott Rossi ------------------- additional posts on or about this topic --------- Well, I've always thought about doing this, but the only way to pull it off without tons of masks is to make a multi-window stack. OK, twist my arm, I did it -- in your message box: go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/ballclock4.rev" For better visibility, run the stack on a medium to dark value desktop (the stack won't be very visible against a white background). OK then... a multi-window widget (kind of). You can drag the base and it will reposition all its parts. Perhaps this accounts for "sexy". (One limitation I ran into was making the balls visible when the clock stack is suspended. The hidePalettes property is apparently still broken [?], and I couldn't get suspend and resume to reliably change the window modes to topLevel and back to palette, but hey, what do you want for an hour's effort?...) Regards, Scott Rossi -------------------------------------------- A magic stocking with a gift for you. Conception Time: Photoshop < 12 minutes. Revolution < 45 minutes. Difficulty Advanced (Moveable window, WindowShape, visible, change of format for dates- c/o Marielle Lange) Access by: revOnline, users, mcgrath3, Magic Stocking revOnline, categories, games, Magic Stocking Enjoy, Thomas J McGrath III ------------------------------------------------ I have just uploaded to the RRGraphix Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/ a file (KLK.rev.zip) that demonstrates Windowshape and rotation using the 'angle' term. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ------------------------------- Hope these past posts help you Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/9/06 3:13 PM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > Hi Klaus, - it sounds as if you have understood my problem: wanting to > display -on demand - any of nine 1024x768 areas of this oversize stack, and > only 1 such area at a time,- which works fine on 1024x768 screens, but which, > on larger screens exhibits parts of neighbouring areas. > However, when I make a substack, whether there are images on it or not, I > cant see, how I can obtain any transparancy down to the oversize stack. So I > think I will gratefully receive the offer of an exemplifying illustration of a > stack with a transparent hole. > > Kresten From markgreenberg at cox.net Mon Jan 9 20:16:10 2006 From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:16:10 -0700 Subject: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes In-Reply-To: <20060109143457.0BA2B825229@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060109143457.0BA2B825229@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Marielle, I agree with a previous comment about your work: You can't possibly be just one person. I'm thinking that your name is actually an acronym for a secret branch of the Runtime Revolution company. Wow! Thank you for all your hard work. Mark On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Marielle Lange wrote: > Thanks for the kind words on the new cms. [etc.] From katir at hindu.org Mon Jan 9 20:59:43 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:59:43 -1000 Subject: url GET https requests --> "walking" thru certificate issues Message-ID: Many web sites (our own included) use a "site wide--box wide" SSL certificate for all sites run off the same httpd process. An https url GET request for a page on a specific virtual domain on that box invariably elicits the dread: ========= Unable to verify the identify of da.kin.little.website.org as a trusted site. Possible reasons for this error etc. etc. _ Accept this certificate permanently X accept this certificate temporarily for this session _ Do not accept his certificat and do not connect to this web site. ===== Clicking "OK" the default to "accept for this session" elicits a yet a second error dialog in the browser: ====== "You have attempted to estabish a connection with "da.kin.little.website.org" . However the security certificate present belongs to "littleWebSite's.Mother.Ship.Host.org"... it is possible though unlikely that someone may be trying to intercept your communication with this web site. etc.etc "OK" ==== then finally, you are offered the option to enter user:pass. This even happens with "professional" web admin tools in big data centers (we use OLM which hosts 1000's of servers and even their system (EnsimPro) throws these dialogs at me whenever I log in to admin our leased server...) ====== users are so accustomed to just clicking thru these things they hardly pay attention any more and once in, their browser "remembers" and they don't see it again... until they log in next day or next week. But, :-/, from within Revolution put url "https://user:pass at da.kin.little.website.org/fooFolder/" into tListing fails. it returns empty and "the result" is the usual: "error -Error with certificate at depth: 0 issuer = /C=US/ O=Equifax Secure Inc./CN=Equifax Secure Global eBusiness CA-1 subject = /C=US/O=hap.himalayanacademy.com/OU=https:// services.choicepoint.net/.... etc. etc." Does anyone know a way to get libURL to "walk thru" these server responses, just like a user would in a browser? Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com From katir at hindu.org Mon Jan 9 21:09:59 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:09:59 -1000 Subject: QT controller on Windows XP-Home Message-ID: I have a user running a rev stack that presents a player with no rect dimensions. Just the controller bar, for playing .mp3 files. I need QT for this because I manage the play back with the current time stop, start, back up etc. This is a "rare" problem.. he's running Windows XP-Home (an older version) and the controller bar of the player window is "out of control" and runs wide on the screen.. on top of other buttons and fields. Anyone seen this problem before. It's not happening to any mac users and not to any other windows users. I will try to set the lockloc of the player in my next version... Sivakatirswami From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 9 21:14:01 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:14:01 +1100 Subject: QT controller on Windows XP-Home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c6158b$8ac8a300$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Sivakatirswami. > Anyone seen this problem before. It's not happening to any mac users Not exactly - but is it possible he's running his system with large fonts? Scott From c4therine at verizon.net Mon Jan 9 21:27:32 2006 From: c4therine at verizon.net (Kunicki Catherine) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:27:32 -0500 Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: <43C1F699.402@hyperactivesw.com> References: <43C1F699.402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I never post here but thought I'd say hi and tell you the link worked for me too. Its all your own fault somehow Jacque : P c On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:37 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sean Shao wrote: > > >> To make sure that you go to the newest site always use the domain >> redirect www.shaosean.tk and you can always reach me via email >> through the email redirect < info AT shaosean DOT tk > (it >> redirects to this hotmail account which I've had for about 6 years >> now, if not longer).. So please update any bookmarks or links on >> your website ^_^ >> > > I have tried to get to your site several times, and I just tried it > again, but I always get a "server not found" error. I used: > > http://www.shaosean.tk > > It still fails for me. Is there another way? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From katir at hindu.org Mon Jan 9 22:58:44 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:58:44 -1000 Subject: Export Data from Rev to PDF format In-Reply-To: References: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> Message-ID: <68263B98-F373-46FB-93F5-74B769177700@hindu.org> OK I see this: ==== on mouseUp answer file "Select a file:" if it is not empty then put it into tSrcPath put tPath & ".pdf" into tDestPath put "/System/Library/Printers/Libraries/convert" into tConvertApp get shell(tConvertApp && "-f" && tSrcPath && "-o" && tDestPath && "-j application/pdf") end if end mouseUp HTH, Ken Ray ====== I think I am missing some key elements such as what acceptable file formats are there for tSrcPath? If the source data is plain ASCII but to be rendered in a different, foreign font with a char-to-glyph mapping other than plain roman...? is that a .ps file in tSrcPath? Sivakatirswami On Jan 08, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Has anyone done a small lib to export rev data (unadorned text will >> be fine) to a PDF file? >> >> Most of my in house RAD's involve some kind of document-text work. >> I'm doing a stack now that handles translation and transliteration in >> Tamil and English and to get a PDF I have to export XML, import into >> inDesign and then export as PDF. >> > > Is it all done on OS X? Because if so, you can use the convert shell > command. Ken Ray gave an example of how to do this on the list a while > ago: 053431.html> > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lists at nabble.com Mon Jan 9 23:01:54 2006 From: lists at nabble.com (capellan (sent by Nabble.com)) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:01:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: getExif In-Reply-To: <20060109182044.12391@mail.chabashira.co.jp> References: <20060109182044.12391@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: <2293853.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi UDI, Could you include some sample images with this stack? i tried without sucess to read exif data in these images from these websites: _http://www.exif.org/samples/_ _http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_s9000-review/gallery.shtml_ Thanks in advance and Thanks a lot again for sharing your Midi stacks! Keep up your good work! :-) al -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/getExif-t881905.html#a2293853 Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com. From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 23:24:30 2006 From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:24:30 -0800 Subject: Second Edition of "Software at the Speed of Thought" Print Edition Ready for Shipment Message-ID: <70ed6b130601092024xbf32714gbf600815252fb740@mail.gmail.com> I am pleased to announce that a revised and expanded Second Edition of the print version of my "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" can now be purchased online for immediate shipment. The price is $29.95 plus shipping. To order it, go to: http://www.cafepress.com/shafermedia.43377797 To see details of what's updated, what the book contains, and for other questions about the book and how it relates to previous versions and membership plans, please go to http://www.revolutionpros.com and click on "My Stuff." -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 9 23:31:34 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:31:34 +1100 Subject: Text in a scrolling list field Message-ID: <000401c6159e$c2185b30$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi, I'm using a scrolling list field to perform a function similar to the one used in the OSX finder. I've worked out how to overlay the images and it works great - except for the fact that the text of each line goes to the bottom of that cell. What I need to be able to do is somehow raise that text so that I can make it level with the images. Is there some way to raise this text to a desired location in the cell? NB: The images are overlaid on the scrolling list field and not actually embedded. It's a kludge - but it works. Scott From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Jan 10 00:23:22 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:23:22 -0800 Subject: Second Edition of "Software at the Speed of Thought" Print Edition Ready for Shipment In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130601092024xbf32714gbf600815252fb740@mail.gmail.com> References: <70ed6b130601092024xbf32714gbf600815252fb740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C344CA.1010201@fourthworld.com> Dan Shafer wrote: > I am pleased to announce that a revised and expanded Second Edition of > the print version of my "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" > can now be purchased online for immediate shipment. The price is > $29.95 plus shipping. To order it, go to: > > http://www.cafepress.com/shafermedia.43377797 > > To see details of what's updated, what the book contains, and for > other questions about the book and how it relates to previous versions > and membership plans, please go to http://www.revolutionpros.com and > click on "My Stuff." Thanks for the update, Dan. The book have received many raves from its readers, all well-deserved IMO. The update is a great gesture on your part -- thanks. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Tue Jan 10 00:48:56 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:56 +0900 Subject: getExif Message-ID: <20060110054858.29221@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Hi, Wouter >TIFF in the future? I'm sorry. I don't understand a thing of TIFF at all. Hi, al >i tried without sucess to read exif data in >these images from these websites: > >_http://www.exif.org/samples/_ >_http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_s9000-review/gallery.shtml_ Images on 'exif.org' site include Exif data. This stack can read data from these images. I think that one of the tool which you use may have deleted Exif data. I want you use other tools and to confirm that files on your disk include Exif data. Otherwise, images on 'dcresource.com' site don't include Exif. UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From mdswindell at charter.net Tue Jan 10 00:53:08 2006 From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:53:08 -0800 Subject: The formatted mouseline? Message-ID: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> Is it possible to somehow return "the _formatted_ mouseline" from within a mousemove handler? What I want to accomplish is to have a line of text (soft wrapped) appear to be underlined whenever the mouse is hovering over it. I'd just like to have a simple line graphic move to a position just under the text to accomplish this. I've thought of a couple of ways to make it happen, but they seem unnecessarily convoluted, and it seems there might be a straightforward way to accomplish it that I'm missing. Thanks for any help, Mark From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 10 02:03:33 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:03:33 +0100 Subject: Text in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <000401c6159e$c2185b30$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000401c6159e$c2185b30$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <59B38AD2-597C-4AF7-B25F-1C2266B2EB8F@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Scott, Just a thought (not sure I understand...): If the images are overlaid on the scrolling field, they could be themselves in a scrolling group. Then the problem would be how to synchronize two scrolls with a specified delta? Le 10 janv. 06 ? 05:31, Scott Kane a ?crit : > I'm using a scrolling list field to perform > a function similar to the one used in the > OSX finder. I've worked out how to overlay > the images and it works great - except for > the fact that the text of each line goes > to the bottom of that cell. What I need to > be able to do is somehow raise that text > so that I can make it level with the images. > Is there some way to raise this text to a > desired location in the cell? > > NB: The images are overlaid on the scrolling > list field and not actually embedded. It's > a kludge - but it works. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 02:08:21 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:08:21 +1000 Subject: Export Data from Rev to PDF format In-Reply-To: <68263B98-F373-46FB-93F5-74B769177700@hindu.org> References: <5B723D76-DEAB-4ED6-846D-486BF876AB55@hindu.org> <68263B98-F373-46FB-93F5-74B769177700@hindu.org> Message-ID: You have to save your text to a file, then send the convert command the name of that file and the name of the pdf you want to create. Here is another example: put specialFolderPath("Desktop") into tFolder put tFolder & "/Report.html" into tStartFile put the htmltext of fld "PrintField" into URL ("file:" & tStartFile) put tFolder & "/Report.pdf" into tEndFile put "/System/Library/Printers/Libraries/convert" into tConvertApp get shell(tConvertApp && "-f" && tStartFile && "-o" && tEndFile && "-j application/pdf") I have a field called "PrintField" that has a report formatted as I want it with text sizes and styles. I save the html text to a file on the desktop called "Report.html". Then I use Ken's script to create a pdf file called "Report.pdf". I should delete the temporary html file after that and just look at the pdf. I used the htmltext but you can just use plain text. I don't know what will happen with font character mapping - maybe using HTML or RTF will cover that. There must be an explanation of the parameters for this convert command somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it. There are two example scripts that use it in the AppleScript menu and the other one convert to postscript by changing the last bit of the command to: -j \"application/postscript\" Hope this helps, Sarah On 1/10/06, Sivakatirswami wrote: > OK I see this: > > ==== > on mouseUp > answer file "Select a file:" > if it is not empty then > put it into tSrcPath > put tPath & ".pdf" into tDestPath > put "/System/Library/Printers/Libraries/convert" into tConvertApp > get shell(tConvertApp && "-f" && tSrcPath && "-o" && tDestPath && > "-j application/pdf") > end if > end mouseUp > > HTH, > Ken Ray > ====== > > I think I am missing some key elements such as what acceptable file > formats are there for tSrcPath? > > If the source data is plain ASCII but to be rendered in a different, > foreign font with a char-to-glyph mapping other than plain roman...? > > is that a .ps file in tSrcPath? > > Sivakatirswami > > On Jan 08, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > >> Has anyone done a small lib to export rev data (unadorned text will > >> be fine) to a PDF file? > >> > >> Most of my in house RAD's involve some kind of document-text work. > >> I'm doing a stack now that handles translation and transliteration in > >> Tamil and English and to get a PDF I have to export XML, import into > >> inDesign and then export as PDF. > >> > > > > Is it all done on OS X? Because if so, you can use the convert shell > > command. Ken Ray gave an example of how to do this on the list a while > > ago: > 053431.html> > > > > HTH, > > Sarah > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From paulclaude at postino.it Tue Jan 10 02:29:07 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:29:07 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060109081342.019ec520@pon.net> Message-ID: Hi Rob, You got reason, perhaps I have not explained well the problem. My stack is an utility that simply shows the images of another choosen stack opened by the user; so I cannot know if the user have one or many open stacks, and what stack was opened before, or the potential ID conflicts. That's why my only goal was to succeed to indicate exactly from which open stack my utility read the images, avoiding eventual ID conflicts of previously opened stacks. I'm sorry for my poor english ;-) Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome on 9-01-2006 17:56, Rob Cozens at rcozens at pon.net wrote: > This leaves me mystified as to what you want to achieve (not that > it's any of my business; but it's hard to propose a solution when one > doesn't understand the problem). From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Jan 10 02:47:52 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:47:52 +0000 Subject: url GET https requests --> "walking" thru certificate issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26D9D960-CC5C-49BA-92D6-9E31A1E56475@lacscentre.co.uk> On 10 Jan 2006, at 01:59, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > Does anyone know a way to get libURL to "walk thru" these server > responses, just like a user would in a browser? Did you try this? libUrlSetSSLVerification false It won't let you "walk thru", but may let you skip them altogether. Dave From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Tue Jan 10 03:59:03 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:59:03 +0900 Subject: getExif Message-ID: <20060110085904.927@mail.chabashira.co.jp> I'm sorry, to al! >i tried without sucess to read exif data in >these images from these websites: > >_http://www.exif.org/samples/_ >_http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_s9000-review/gallery.shtml_ I understood what a problem. This script fail on WINDOWS. I'll try to repair it. UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Tue Jan 10 04:27:42 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:27:42 +0900 Subject: getExif1.1 Message-ID: <20060110092743.11832@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Bug fixed version http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif11.hqx UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 10 04:43:58 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:43:58 +1100 Subject: Text in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <59B38AD2-597C-4AF7-B25F-1C2266B2EB8F@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <000201c615ca$66b25c60$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Eric, > Just a thought (not sure I understand...): > If the images are overlaid on the scrolling field, they could be > themselves in a scrolling group. > Then the problem would be how to synchronize two scrolls with a > specified delta? The list won't actually need to scroll. However the selected item needs to hilight the image as well as the text in the listbox. I played around with a scrolling group but I can't get it to higlight in the right way. The list works perfectly except that the text is always justified to the bottom. I tried fooling with buttons. but again the text is always formated at the bottom. Scott From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 10 04:58:06 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:58:06 +1100 Subject: Text in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <000201c615ca$66b25c60$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <000301c615cc$6029c660$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Worked out one way of doing it. Setting the font size larger solves it, though it's a bit on the "loud" side... Scott From david at openpartnership.net Tue Jan 10 06:34:44 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:34:44 +0100 Subject: url GET https requests --> "walking" thru certificate issues In-Reply-To: <26D9D960-CC5C-49BA-92D6-9E31A1E56475@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <26D9D960-CC5C-49BA-92D6-9E31A1E56475@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: Sounds to me like you need to download and install a certificate and then use this certificate in Rev - the process you describe is what the browser does to install this certificate - so one way or another you need to get Rev to point to this certificate on the local machine - see the recent post from Dar regarding my question On 10 Jan 2006, at 08:47, Dave Cragg wrote: > > On 10 Jan 2006, at 01:59, Sivakatirswami wrote: > >> >> Does anyone know a way to get libURL to "walk thru" these server >> responses, just like a user would in a browser? >> > > Did you try this? > > libUrlSetSSLVerification false > > It won't let you "walk thru", but may let you skip them altogether. I think this won't work for you - as this is just for using htpps without certificates - and you need to install one just as the process of dialogues you describe does for the browser - is this right Dar? Here is the relevant post from Dar which I quote - you would not be using a CAcert certificate, but the right one from your own server - don't ask me yet how to do this - but whoever sets up your server side SSL certificates "may" understand what you are talking about :) > From the following url > > https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 > > download the Class 1 (PEM format) Root Certificate. (This will be a > file named "root.crt") > > Then set the sslCertificates to this file: > > set the sslCertificates to "/whatever/root.crt" > > Then to test, try to connect to ths test url: https://www.cacert.org/ > > put url "https://www.cacert.org/" into tData > if the result is not empty then > answer the result > else > answer "seem to be working" > end if > > There should be no need to use libUrlSetSSLVerification. It is true > by default, but if you have previously set it to false, then you > should reset it to true. It certainly won't harm to specifically > set it to true. > From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Tue Jan 10 07:08:58 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:08:58 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, Message-ID: Thanks to Jim for very impresive examples, not least the ballclock, which does illustrate a basic transparency. The recommended "Window-lab" however does produce black masks, when I test it, I cant find the trick to create a window of transparency in the center of a larger stack . So I am still hoping for Klaus Majors promised example, and/or other clarification Kresten From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 10:56:24 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:56:24 -0800 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/10/06 4:08 AM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > I cant find the trick to create a window of transparency in the center of a > larger stack open WindowLab click on the 'paint' button choose a brush size draw a circle free hand about six times press 'build window' click on the 'wreath and drag around the screen Jim Ault Las Vegas > Thanks to Jim for very impresive examples, not least the ballclock, which does > illustrate a basic transparency. > The recommended "Window-lab" however does produce black masks, when I test it, > I cant find the trick to create a window of transparency in the center of a > larger stack > . So I am still hoping for Klaus Majors promised example, and/or other > clarification > Kresten > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jan 10 11:24:37 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:24:37 -0600 Subject: Mac OS 10.2.x system config files In-Reply-To: <96BED810-BAC6-4EE7-890C-1EB4B1A776F5@canelasoftware.com> References: <43C1DBF2.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> <96BED810-BAC6-4EE7-890C-1EB4B1A776F5@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <43C3DFC5.2050500@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Talluto wrote: > Hi Jacque, > > Ken has a method for getting the MAC address via applescript if that > will work for you. It is on his website. Thanks. I knew about that, but it requires sudo or admin access -- which the app may not have -- so I decided to read the relevant file directly. The files themselves appear to be set up with at least read-only access; I hope that's the case everywhere. Some sleuthing on the web revealed that in 10.2 the file is located here (if anyone is interested): /private/var/db/SystemConfiguration/preferences.xml This gives the system info, including the MAC address. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rcozens at pon.net Tue Jan 10 11:32:45 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:32:45 -0800 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.10.1.20060109081342.019ec520@pon.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060110080615.019f8660@pon.net> Bon Jurno, Paul, >You got reason, perhaps I have not explained well the problem. My stack is >an utility that simply shows the images of another choosen stack opened by >the user; so I cannot know if the user have one or many open stacks, and >what stack was opened before, or the potential ID conflicts. > >That's why my only goal was to succeed to indicate exactly from which open >stack my utility read the images, avoiding eventual ID conflicts of >previously opened stacks. 1. Would this work? Create a number of invisible thumbnail images [not buttons; lock size & position] on the image display card of your utility stack. Utility stack script: answer file "Please select a stack to see its images..." if the result is "Cancel" then exit to top push card lock screen repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of me hide image x of me end repeat open invisible stack it repeat with x = 1 to the number of images of stack it set the imageData of image x of me to the imageData of image x of stack it show image x of me end repeat close stack it pop card set the itemDelimiter to "/" put item -1 of it into field "Image Source" -- if you want the image stack name to appear unlock screen I presume you have logic to handle the case where there are more images in the stack you are opening then there are buttons to display them. Just change it to deal with images. 2. I previously suggested when a thread boils down to two or three people, it should be taken off list. Actually, I was focusing on off-topic conversations, and feel that conversations such as this between Paul & moi should remain on the list so long as the focus is strictly how to use Revolution. Do others agree or disagree? Cao! Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jan 10 11:47:59 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:47:59 -0600 Subject: who provides webring? In-Reply-To: References: <43C1F699.402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <43C3E53F.3040906@hyperactivesw.com> Kunicki Catherine wrote: > I never post here but thought I'd say hi and tell you the link worked > for me too. Its all your own fault somehow Jacque : P Must be improper clicking. ;) I was relieved to hear it fails for Bjornke too though. I didn't even know you were on this list. Cool. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 12:28:43 2006 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:28:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: getExif1.1 In-Reply-To: <20060110104840.BB40D8253A9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20060110172843.66023.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> on Tue, 10 Jan 2006 UDI wrote: > Bug fixed version > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif11.hqx This version works perfectly in Windows :-) Thanks a lot UDI for updating this stack. Keep up your good work! al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From ljk144 at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 13:22:59 2006 From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:22:59 -0500 Subject: Problem with printing in landscape mode Message-ID: Hi All, I'm currently having a problem with printing in landscape mode in Revolution. The problem seems to be related to displaying the print dialog. I've only tried this on a windows system, but the documentation indicates that Mac OS does not support the setting "printRotated" so it's not really applicable either. The following 2 lines of code should print the card "mycard" in landscape mode. However I end up with a portrait mode page. (As a side note the stack that mycard is in is sized 400x400.) answer printer set the printRotated to true print card "mycard" into 72,72,(72+400),(72+400) Now if the option of selecting a printer is removed from the code the printout will properly use landscape. However I've noticed I have to shutdown the entire Rev-IDE and restart it to have this work if "answer printer" has been called at any time in the current session. So the revised code reads as follows and after restarting Revolution and I get landscape mode. set the printRotated to true print card "mycard" into 72,72,(72+400),(72+400) If at all possible I need the user to be able to select which printer to use. Bypassing this option and using the default printer is not an acceptable change to the functionality of the program. Does anyone know how to fix this or have encoutered the same or similar issue? Thanks. -Levi Kendall From rcozens at pon.net Tue Jan 10 14:05:48 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:05:48 -0800 Subject: Problem with printing in landscape mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060110105100.019ea8d8@pon.net> Hi Levi, >I've only tried this on a windows system, but the documentation >indicates that Mac OS does not support the setting "printRotated" so it's >not really applicable either. In Mac OSX, the dialog box displayed by "answer printer" includes the option to change orientation to landscape mode; so in that environment you simply need to instruct the user to select landscape. On Win XP, Rev v2.6.1, the answer printer dialog includes a preferences button that allows the user to change orientation to landscape. What happens if you select it & set the orientation, with or without the following "set the printRotated..." statement? Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy "It is contrary to human welfare to contribute in any way... to the degradation of the sea's capacity to support life." -- Walter Hickel, U. S. Secretary of the Interior, 1971 in "From Abundance to Scarcity" by Michael L. Weber From ljk144 at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 14:16:10 2006 From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:16:10 -0500 Subject: Problem with printing in landscape mode In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060110105100.019ea8d8@pon.net> References: <7.0.0.10.1.20060110105100.019ea8d8@pon.net> Message-ID: > On Win XP, Rev v2.6.1, the answer printer dialog includes a > preferences button that allows the user to change orientation to > landscape. What happens if you select it & set the orientation, with > or without the following "set the printRotated..." statement? The setting the user picks will take effect in the "answer printer" options pages. Regardless of the value of printRotated. Even if printRotated is set to false after the answer printer page it will print in landscape mode if the user selected such in the printer settings window. Ideally the user would not be responsible for specifying the print orientation. This is a feature I'd prefer the program to handle exclusively without requiring the user to correctly change the orientation. Certain pages in the program I'm working on are designed to be printed exlusively in each orientation and will not be useable in the other orientation. -Levi Kendall From sl at trackandfieldnews.com Tue Jan 10 15:00:01 2006 From: sl at trackandfieldnews.com (Sieg Lindstrom) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:00:01 -0800 Subject: making it run with Dreamcard Player In-Reply-To: <20060110104840.BB40D8253A9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Many thanks, Dave and Ken. StackRunner seems to be a great solution. I'll try it on some other stacks I have that read and write from/to multiple text files on the drive. Dave, I wasn't quite sure what you meant by "out beside the file folder icon." I'm working on a Mac. Are "security properties" the ownership & permissions settings one accesses through command-I after selecting a file or application icon? Appreciate the help, Sieg > You can access the security properties in the player by clicking on > the Revolution Icon out beside the file folder icon. > > Another option is to try Ken's "StackRunner" application in place of > the DC Player: > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm > > HTH, > -Dave- From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Jan 10 15:09:06 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:09:06 -0600 Subject: making it run with Dreamcard Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/10/06 2:00 PM, "Sieg Lindstrom" wrote: > Dave, I wasn't quite sure what you meant by "out beside the file folder > icon." I'm working on a Mac. Are "security properties" the ownership & > permissions settings one accesses through command-I after selecting a file > or application icon? No, it's in the DC Player itself. In the DreamCard player, when the revOnline Viewer is displayed, you can click on the folder icon to pick a file to run, or you can click on the Revolution logo next to the folder icon to bring up preferences, including whether to set the secure mode on or off ("Run in non-secure mode"). HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au Tue Jan 10 15:17:03 2006 From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:17:03 +1100 Subject: Serial communication In-Reply-To: <20060110104840.EE7AA8253AA@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060110104840.EE7AA8253AA@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3062CE08-23B0-4472-8F50-18A33652CDE9@dvkconsult.com.au> On 10/01/2006, at 21:48, Camm29" wrote: > > I have some custom made Hardware that i communicate to in Serial. > > This Hardware returns the Character ">" when ready and able to Receive > and/or finished replying. > > so before any write to file "COM:1" or read from file "COM:1" (I > must have > received the Char ">") > > i have tried many combinations in trying to get this to work !!!!!! > > somehow if i loop like below i still manage to send before ">" is > received > it would seem which causes errors ??? > > repeat 100 > write ------- > wait for ">" > read ------- > end if you must wait for ">" before "any write or ... read" then firstly your code needs another wait statement. The above code will write after reading and without waiting for a ready character, which is the problem you report. The following will work _provided_ you are happy that you will always receive the requisite characters )and that the device is ready the first time) or else it will wait forever. repeat N write something wait for ">" read something wait for ">" end repeat In the basic form of the loop above you will need an outside "send" statement to make sure things are still alive and get you out of problems, which would require a construct along the lines of 'wait for ">" with messages' This might be done better with "wait for messages" then test whether the message was one which allows you to read/write or if you must exit the loop. HTH David > > It's a mystery or i lost the plot. > Nothing wrong with comm settings or hardware for sure. > > Regards Camm From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Jan 10 15:33:52 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:33:52 -0800 Subject: Quiting a Standalone Message-ID: <43C41A30.50001@comcast.net> I'm building a single stack standalone which will give the user the option of saving data upon closing or quiting (to text files). I'm confused about how to do this. I've been trying the "shutDown" message but have not found it to be 100%. If I click the closebox on the stack it seems to catch it every time, but if I choose "Quit" fron the menu, it works about 80% of the time. (Trying out Rev 2.6.1) I don't understand the functional difference between using shutdown and shutdownrequest, other than shutdownrequest allowing you to pass or not pass. Anybody have a recipe for me? Marty Knapp From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 10 15:45:07 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:07 +1100 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <43C41A30.50001@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c61626$c2f25eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > I don't understand the functional difference between using > shutdown and > shutdownrequest, other than shutdownrequest allowing you to > pass or not > pass. > > Anybody have a recipe for me? Here's what I do. In the script for the stack put the following: on closestack Quit end closestack Works every time... Scott From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 10 15:47:24 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:47:24 +1100 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <000401c61626$c2f25eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <000501c61627$136e7720$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > on closestack > Quit > end closestack > > Works every time... I should add that you only put this in the main stack, not any substacks (as a general rule anyway). Scott From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Jan 10 15:57:49 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:57:49 -0800 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <000401c61626$c2f25eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000401c61626$c2f25eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C41FCD.50405@comcast.net> Hey Scott, Thanks for your response. So where would you insert a script to ask the user to save data or not? marty Knapp >>I don't understand the functional difference between using >>shutdown and >>shutdownrequest, other than shutdownrequest allowing you to >>pass or not >>pass. >> >>Anybody have a recipe for me? >> >> > >Here's what I do. In the script for the stack >put the following: > >on closestack > Quit >end closestack > >Works every time.. > > From katir at hindu.org Tue Jan 10 15:59:54 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:59:54 -1000 Subject: url GET https requests --> "walking" thru certificate issues In-Reply-To: References: <26D9D960-CC5C-49BA-92D6-9E31A1E56475@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <738AB9BD-B5BC-4AC5-AFA3-C5AB29ADACF4@hindu.org> OK, will test, but if I read this correctly, then my app has to download-write the cert to each remote-user-machine that needs access. This means one is distributing one's certificate "out into the wild" x number of copies of the cert are on x number of hard drive out there somewhere: does this not represent an enormous security hole? On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:34 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Sounds to me like you need to download and install a certificate > and then use this certificate in Rev - the process you describe is > what the browser does to install this certificate - so one way or > another you need to get Rev to point to this certificate on the > local machine - see the recent post from Dar regarding my question > > On 10 Jan 2006, at 08:47, Dave Cragg wrote: > > >> >> On 10 Jan 2006, at 01:59, Sivakatirswami wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Does anyone know a way to get libURL to "walk thru" these server >>> responses, just like a user would in a browser? >>> >>> >> >> Did you try this? >> >> libUrlSetSSLVerification false >> >> It won't let you "walk thru", but may let you skip them altogether. >> > > I think this won't work for you - as this is just for using htpps > without certificates - and you need to install one just as the > process of dialogues you describe does for the browser - is this > right Dar? Here is the relevant post from Dar which I quote - you > would not be using a CAcert certificate, but the right one from > your own server - don't ask me yet how to do this - but whoever > sets up your server side SSL certificates "may" understand what you > are talking about :) > > >> From the following url >> >> https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 >> >> download the Class 1 (PEM format) Root Certificate. (This will be >> a file named "root.crt") >> >> Then set the sslCertificates to this file: >> >> set the sslCertificates to "/whatever/root.crt" >> >> Then to test, try to connect to ths test url: https:// >> www.cacert.org/ >> >> put url "https://www.cacert.org/" into tData >> if the result is not empty then >> answer the result >> else >> answer "seem to be working" >> end if >> >> There should be no need to use libUrlSetSSLVerification. It is >> true by default, but if you have previously set it to false, then >> you should reset it to true. It certainly won't harm to >> specifically set it to true. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 10 16:06:38 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:06:38 +1100 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <43C41FCD.50405@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601c61629$c03e0cc0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Marty > Thanks for your response. So where would you insert a script > to ask the > user to save data or not? I'd go for the closestackrequest procedure. Scott From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Jan 10 16:36:40 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:40 -0800 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <000601c61629$c03e0cc0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000601c61629$c03e0cc0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C428E8.50003@comcast.net> That works if you click the close box, but doesn't get sent if you select Quit from the menu. I also tried this: on shutdownRequest answer "Save data?" with "Cancel" or "Save" or "Dont Save" if it is "Cancel" then exit shutdownRequest else if it is "Save" then --do save stuff end if pass shutdownRequest end shutdownRequest It works, but if I select "Cancel" is exits the handler, but the next time I shut down, the shutdownRequest does not run - quits without prompting me . . . This issue aside, it looks like I need to trap for the stack closing and for the Quit menu selection. I had thought that the shutdown message would handle both, but as i said, is unreliable when using the menu to quit. Any wisdom for me? Thanks, Marty Knapp >>Thanks for your response. So where would you insert a script >>to ask the >>user to save data or not? >> >> > >I'd go for the closestackrequest procedure. > > > From scott at proherp.com Tue Jan 10 16:58:31 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:31 +1100 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <43C428E8.50003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c61631$00252240$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > That works if you click the close box, but doesn't get sent if you > select Quit from the menu. Hmm. I hadn't tried it on a menu. You could create a procedure named something unique and then call it from the menu option or closestackrequest. e.g. "MyCloseResult". Calling it thus makes it a single procedure that can be used by both handlers - rather than copying the code to both the closestackrequest and Quit menu option. Scott From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Jan 10 17:14:18 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:14:18 -0800 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <000701c61631$00252240$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000701c61631$00252240$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C431BA.8030001@comcast.net> It looks like trapping for both closeStackrequest and shutdownRequest are needed. I had thought that maybe the shutdownRequest would trigger the closeStackrequest or vice versa, but apparently not. Seems to be working now. Thanks, Marty knapp >>That works if you click the close box, but doesn't get sent if you >>select Quit from the menu. >> >> > >Hmm. I hadn't tried it on a menu. You could create a >procedure named something unique and then call it from >the menu option or closestackrequest. e.g. "MyCloseResult". >Calling it thus makes it a single procedure that can be >used by both handlers - rather than copying the code to >both the closestackrequest and Quit menu option. > >Scott > > From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 19:34:57 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:34:57 -0800 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/10/06 4:08 AM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > The recommended "Window-lab" however does produce black masks, when I test it, > I cant find the trick to create a window of transparency in the center of a > larger stack After further thought, I am curious what you are not discovering that would so what you need. My last suggestion was to basically build a picture frame to block the surrounding area revealing only the rectangle to be shown. However, perhaps you are thinking that the surrounding area should reveal the desktop, or other apps/windows rather than the picture frame technique. This was my original take on your description, but then you said this was not what you wanted with the WindowLab.... so now I am a bit confused. Let me say this... If you want surrounding transparency, you would draw the black rectangle to match the maximum rectangle (content for the user), put that black rectangle behind the content and setting the windowShape to the black image id. Now the surround would be transparent, no matter how big the monitor. If these techniques don't do the job, then I really don't understand what you are trying to do. Perhaps you could send me an old version of your stack and I could play with it. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/10/06 4:08 AM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > Thanks to Jim for very impresive examples, not least the ballclock, which does > illustrate a basic transparency. > The recommended "Window-lab" however does produce black masks, when I test it, > I cant find the trick to create a window of transparency in the center of a > larger stack > . So I am still hoping for Klaus Majors promised example, and/or other > clarification > Kresten > From liamlambert at mac.com Tue Jan 10 20:29:52 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:29:52 +0000 Subject: audio wave form Message-ID: <8C66C902-4758-4555-9137-77756B8806E8@mac.com> Is it possible display the audio wave form in rev Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From europe at ehug.info Tue Jan 10 20:31:31 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:31:31 +0100 Subject: animations on a card In-Reply-To: <000901c61351$09ba4980$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> References: <000901c61351$09ba4980$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Message-ID: <43C45FF3.5030108@ehug.info> Dear Preston, It doesn't make sense to count the number of animations. In the Arcade Engine, you could count the number of objects. Usually, objects are animated by attaching a script to them. You do this manually, using the script editor. The Animation Builder does little more than remembering the position of each object for each "frame" of your animation. There is a series of locations for each animated object. It looks like you have a number of animations, but in fact it is just a number of objects that change location. The different locations are kept in custom properties starting with cREVAnimation. The custom properties are in the animated objects. So, animations are related to objects and objects are on a particular card or in a group on a number of cards. Perhaps I/we can provide better advice if you can explain why exactly you need this. Best, Mark Preston Shea wrote: > Is there a way to see the animations on a card besides using the revanimation.rev tool? > > Sorry - I was unclear in my first request. > What I mean is: How can you tell what animations are on a particular card? Is the information in the Inspector or is it necessary to open revanimate.rev? I think Arcade Engine stores them as custom properties of the object but I couldn't find the animations of revanimate.rev that way. Probably just my dumb mistake. > Thanks -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From mark at maseurope.net Tue Jan 10 20:42:34 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:42:34 +0000 Subject: audio wave form In-Reply-To: <8C66C902-4758-4555-9137-77756B8806E8@mac.com> References: <8C66C902-4758-4555-9137-77756B8806E8@mac.com> Message-ID: <2F71AD40-25B1-47B1-BFF3-75EC9F156E0E@maseurope.net> Though probably possible, I doubt that this is practical, except perhaps with an external, or unless you can somehow get it from Quicktime. But maybe someone here knows better. Mark On 11 Jan 2006, at 01:29, liamlambert wrote: > > Is it possible display the audio wave form in rev > > Liam Lambert > liamlambert at mac.com > IRELAND > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jsng at wayoflife.org Tue Jan 10 21:19:54 2006 From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:19:54 +0800 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: <43C45FF3.5030108@ehug.info> References: <000901c61351$09ba4980$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> <43C45FF3.5030108@ehug.info> Message-ID: Hi, Now that Apple has shipped some machines that are running on Intel processors, I'm wondering if there are announcements on the part of RunRev as to when there might be Universal Binary editions of Revolution? What are the implications with respect to plug ins? Potentially it could mean that an Intel based Rev calling a PowerPC plugin. Has anyone done some evaluation of those things? Jesse Sng From mark at maseurope.net Tue Jan 10 22:15:22 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:15:22 +0000 Subject: audio wave form In-Reply-To: <2F71AD40-25B1-47B1-BFF3-75EC9F156E0E@maseurope.net> References: <8C66C902-4758-4555-9137-77756B8806E8@mac.com> <2F71AD40-25B1-47B1-BFF3-75EC9F156E0E@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <51BA2E8F-7BF9-47A4-955E-F1E7B5421303@maseurope.net> Now I must eat my words. I've just been fooling around with an aiff file and the binaryDecode function, and I find that it seems like it would be absolutely possible and practical to display audio waveforms in rev. It's going to take a bit of work to make it usable, and I have to find out about the structures of different file types, but once again I'm amazed at what might be done. I'll try to make some kind of library, or at least a workable starting point. Mark On 11 Jan 2006, at 01:42, Mark Smith wrote: > Though probably possible, I doubt that this is practical, except > perhaps with an external, or unless you can somehow get it from > Quicktime. > But maybe someone here knows better. > > Mark > > On 11 Jan 2006, at 01:29, liamlambert wrote: > >> >> Is it possible display the audio wave form in rev >> >> Liam Lambert >> liamlambert at mac.com >> IRELAND >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 11 00:55:43 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:43 +1100 Subject: At a bit of a loss Message-ID: <000001c61673$ae8d3e20$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi, I have to use the SQLQuery Builder (yes I know the risks) for a demonstration stack for a potential client (a zoo) . I can do everything manually, but I haven't got the time as I have to show it tomorrow afternoon and I only have a few hours. What I've done is setup db QB for browsing and editing. Works fine. However I've drawn a blank on inserting records into the table. As an example a table with the following fields (using field objects) First field "herpName". Second field "CommonName", Third field "LatinName". These are connected to field controls that are labelled "herpName", "edCommonName and "LatinName". What I'm needing to do is insert the values of these fields into the relevant fields of the database. The reason I'm short cutting with DB QB is because I have to create a total of twelve stacks with related data. I just can't code in Rev fast enough to do that. Any help greatly appreciated... Scott From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 11 02:47:23 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:47:23 +1100 Subject: At a bit of a loss In-Reply-To: <000001c61673$ae8d3e20$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <000401c61683$4791c460$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Never mind. I've almost coded it by hand. Scott From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Wed Jan 11 04:21:44 2006 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:21:44 -0500 Subject: Intel Macintoshes - the inevitable question ??? Message-ID: Well, with my wall-to-wall sized ego I wasn't going to miss this one! I shall break my question up into several bits: 1. Is an engine for building Mac-Intel standalones available? 2. Is there a version of DreamCard player that runs on Mac-Intel? 3. Is there a version of the RR programming environment currently available for Mac-Intel? I suppose the answer to Q 3. is "2.7.1". sincerely, Richmond Mathewson __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html _______________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --------------------------------------------------------------- From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 05:00:03 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:00:03 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? Message-ID: An old problem; other languages (as RealBasic) have classes who allow to access the Address Book database without opening the application (applescripting method). My question is: the Address Book Widget (and the Easy Envelope widget too) can access the database using apparently some Javascript code (you may find it opening the widget package), and Revolution too can run Javascript code through the command "do". There is someone that, knowing the Javascript language, can extract the right code from these widgets in order to read the records from the addressbook.data database? From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 05:24:16 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:24:16 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Buongiorno Paul, > An old problem; other languages (as RealBasic) have classes who > allow to > access the Address Book database without opening the application > (applescripting method). > > My question is: the Address Book Widget (and the Easy Envelope > widget too) > can access the database using apparently some Javascript code (you > may find > it opening the widget package), and Revolution too can run > Javascript code > through the command "do". > > There is someone that, knowing the Javascript language, can extract > the > right code from these widgets in order to read the records from the > addressbook.data database? sorry, but Rev cannot handle JavaScript via the "do" command. Actually Rev cannot handle JS at all! Just had a look at the widget you mentioned and it looks like Apple added an external/plug-in "AddressBook.widgetplugin" there that gets called by the JavaScript. But i really doubt that this plugin can be used/addressed from within Rev. Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 05:26:07 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:07 +0100 Subject: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)--YES! In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060110080615.019f8660@pon.net> Message-ID: > Bon Jurno, Paul, Buon giorno, Rob, > 1. Would this work? Nice script. In my first post about this problem I have wrote that a solution similar to yours may surely works, but I was searching for some way to not load all images (for memory problemns) in my stack; now i'm supposing that this will be the only way... Merci beaucoup, Rob, pour ton temps et ton aide. > Cao! Ciao! Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 05:42:03 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:42:03 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guten Tag Klaus, > sorry, but Rev cannot handle JavaScript via the "do" command. > Actually Rev cannot handle JS at all! I've read this in the Transcript official documentation about "do" command: "On Mac OS and OS X systems, the OSALanguageName is a script language (such as AppleScript) supported under the Open Scripting Architecture. The available languages are returned by the alternateLanguages function. If you specify an OSALanguageName, the statementList must be written in the specified language." Did you mean that what they said it's wrong? > But i really doubt that this plugin can be used/addressed from within > Rev. I'm sorry for this; have you also see the method used by the Easy Envelope Widget (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? Ciao Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From tkuypers at pandora.be Wed Jan 11 05:48:30 2006 From: tkuypers at pandora.be (Ton Kuypers) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:48:30 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <040CF5CE-FE96-466F-A177-489C2B1543E3@pandora.be> Paul, Klaus, I found out that rev can't do javascript, but you can embed the javascript in an applescript, "do" the applescript and let applescript take care of the javascript... Works like a charm, you can find instructions on the apple site on how to do it :-) Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com On 11-jan-06, at 11:24, Klaus Major wrote: > Buongiorno Paul, > >> An old problem; other languages (as RealBasic) have classes who >> allow to >> access the Address Book database without opening the application >> (applescripting method). >> >> My question is: the Address Book Widget (and the Easy Envelope >> widget too) >> can access the database using apparently some Javascript code (you >> may find >> it opening the widget package), and Revolution too can run >> Javascript code >> through the command "do". >> >> There is someone that, knowing the Javascript language, can >> extract the >> right code from these widgets in order to read the records from the >> addressbook.data database? > > sorry, but Rev cannot handle JavaScript via the "do" command. > Actually Rev cannot handle JS at all! > > Just had a look at the widget you mentioned and it looks like Apple > added an external/plug-in "AddressBook.widgetplugin" there that > gets called by the JavaScript. > > But i really doubt that this plugin can be used/addressed from > within Rev. > > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 05:52:34 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:52:34 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour Paul, i realized that you are french :-) > Guten Tag Klaus, > >> sorry, but Rev cannot handle JavaScript via the "do" command. >> Actually Rev cannot handle JS at all! > I've read this in the Transcript official documentation about "do" > command: > "On Mac OS and OS X systems, the OSALanguageName is a script > language (such > as AppleScript) supported under the Open Scripting Architecture. The > available languages are returned by the alternateLanguages > function. If you > specify an OSALanguageName, the statementList must be written in the > specified language." > > Did you mean that what they said it's wrong? No, but there is no mention of JavaScript, the only "alternateLanguages" is AppleScript in the moment. Type this into your message box and hit ENTER: answer the alternateLanguages You will only see "applescript" So they were not wrong, may just a bit less precise as one could wish ;-) >> But i really doubt that this plugin can be used/addressed from within >> Rev. > I'm sorry for this; Yes, it looks a bit "amateurish" when you only want a simple address and the whole application starts up, when you use an Applescript. But that's the way it is in the moment. Maybe there are some "shell" commands that one could use? Or, extract the address(es) from some file? Where and how? Any insights from other listees? > have you also see the method used by the Easy Envelope > Widget (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? > > Ciao > > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Greetings from the Rhineland :-) Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 05:55:12 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:55:12 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <040CF5CE-FE96-466F-A177-489C2B1543E3@pandora.be> References: <040CF5CE-FE96-466F-A177-489C2B1543E3@pandora.be> Message-ID: <7FDD6301-E6AF-4866-957C-7DA6B8A00210@major-k.de> Dag Ton, > Paul, Klaus, > > I found out that rev can't do javascript, but you can embed the > javascript in an applescript, "do" the applescript and let > applescript take care of the javascript... > Works like a charm, you can find instructions on the apple site on > how to do it :-) dat find ik heel mooie :-) Thanks, sound very good! Will check the Apple site... BUT, on the other hand, are we allowed to use the "AddressBook.widgetplugin" outside the original widget? It is from Apple, so i doubt... > Warm regards, > > > Ton Kuypers > Digital Media Partners bvba > Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 > Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 > http://www.dmp-int.com Bedankt en tot dan Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 06:04:35 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:04:35 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <7FDD6301-E6AF-4866-957C-7DA6B8A00210@major-k.de> Message-ID: Dear Klaus and Ton, When I write "answer the alternateLanguages" in the messagebox it gives me "AppleScript" and "JavaScript" too! Why it's different for you? I suppose that this means that I can directly use "do" with JavaScript code. Have you checked the Easy Envelope Widget (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? The problem is that I don't know JavaScript: someone out know how to use it starting from those widgets scripts? Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 06:09:47 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:09:47 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, > Dear Klaus and Ton, > > When I write "answer the alternateLanguages" in the messagebox it > gives me > "AppleScript" and "JavaScript" too! ??? I still get "applescript" only. > Why it's different for you? I have no idea??? I use OS X 10.4.4 and Rev 2.6.1 Any ideas, dear listees? > I suppose that this means that I can directly use "do" with > JavaScript code. I am not sure. > Have you checked the Easy Envelope Widget > (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? The problem is that I > don't > know JavaScript: Same for me ;-) > someone out know how to use it starting from those widgets > scripts? > > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 06:21:39 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:21:39 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Klaus, > I still get "applescript" only. > >> Why it's different for you? > > I have no idea??? > I use OS X 10.4.4 and Rev 2.6.1 > > Any ideas, dear listees? I have your same configuration. Have you installed the latest JS environment? Maybe this only is your problem. I will do some experiment searching for some little JS code to test inside Rev. > Have you checked the Easy Envelope Widget > (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? The problem is that I > don't > know JavaScript: I hope someone may help us ;-) Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 06:48:17 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:48:17 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66B72FB6-0208-44B5-A982-A9B4397C45BB@major-k.de> Hi Paul, > Dear Klaus, > >> I still get "applescript" only. >>> Why it's different for you? >> I have no idea??? >> I use OS X 10.4.4 and Rev 2.6.1 >> Any ideas, dear listees? > I have your same configuration. > Have you installed the latest JS environment? ?? Where do I possibly get this one? > Maybe this only is your problem. Well, not really ;-) > I will do some experiment searching for some little JS code to test > inside Rev. > >> Have you checked the Easy Envelope Widget >> (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? The problem is that I >> don't >> know JavaScript: > I hope someone may help us ;-) Sure this list is GREAT! :-) > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From europe at ehug.info Wed Jan 11 06:51:08 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:51:08 +0100 Subject: Quiting a Standalone In-Reply-To: <43C41A30.50001@comcast.net> References: <43C41A30.50001@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C4F12C.4090601@ehug.info> Hi Marty, If you are on MacOS X, choosing Quit from the application menu trggers the shutdownRequest message but not the closeStackRequest message, i.e. the application quits before the closeStackRequest message is sent. The closeStackRequest message seems to be triggered on Windows before shutDownRequest message is sent. I'm not sure about Linux. Best, Mark Marty Knapp wrote: > I'm building a single stack standalone which will give the user the > option of saving data upon closing or quiting (to text files). I'm > confused about how to do this. I've been trying the "shutDown" message > but have not found it to be 100%. If I click the closebox on the stack > it seems to catch it every time, but if I choose "Quit" fron the menu, > it works about 80% of the time. (Trying out Rev 2.6.1) > > I don't understand the functional difference between using shutdown and > shutdownrequest, other than shutdownrequest allowing you to pass or not > pass. > > Anybody have a recipe for me? > > Marty Knapp -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 07:06:03 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:06:03 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <66B72FB6-0208-44B5-A982-A9B4397C45BB@major-k.de> Message-ID: Dear Klaus, > ?? Where do I possibly get this one? Try http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/java2se50release1.html Ciao Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 07:22:54 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:22:54 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <720BC0F9-5DE6-4136-9AC3-0792292F0345@major-k.de> Hi Paul, > Dear Klaus, > >> ?? Where do I possibly get this one? > Try http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/java2se50release1.html this is the latest JAVA (not JavaScript) distribution and I have already installed a newer version. It is getting VERY strange...?! :-) > Ciao > > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From liamlambert at mac.com Wed Jan 11 07:25:56 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:25:56 +0000 Subject: audio wave form Message-ID: <2E7A31C1-E3F6-4010-8BCC-DB243BE55FC0@mac.com> I found this site with different standers http:// preserve.harvard.edu/standards/ Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From paulclaude at postino.it Wed Jan 11 07:30:23 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:30:23 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <720BC0F9-5DE6-4136-9AC3-0792292F0345@major-k.de> Message-ID: > this is the latest JAVA (not JavaScript) distribution and I have > already installed > a newer version. > > It is getting VERY strange...?! :-) I'm sorry, Klaus, but I haven't installed nothing else, from what I can remember. Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 07:42:25 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:42:25 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> Hi Paul, >> this is the latest JAVA (not JavaScript) distribution and I have >> already installed >> a newer version. >> >> It is getting VERY strange...?! :-) > I'm sorry, Klaus, but I haven't installed nothing else, from what I > can > remember. that's why i wrote "It is getting VERY strange...?!" :-) > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 11 08:36:04 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:36:04 -0600 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> Message-ID: On 1/11/06 6:42 AM, "Klaus Major" wrote: > Hi Paul, > >>> this is the latest JAVA (not JavaScript) distribution and I have >>> already installed >>> a newer version. >>> >>> It is getting VERY strange...?! :-) >> I'm sorry, Klaus, but I haven't installed nothing else, from what I >> can >> remember. > > that's why i wrote "It is getting VERY strange...?!" :-) Guys, you can download the Javascript component file for OSA from here: http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/JavaScriptOSA/index.html So you can actually "do" JavaScript from Rev! There's full information at the Late Night Software site... Hope this clears things up, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 11 08:39:25 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:39:25 -0600 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/11/06 7:36 AM, "Ken Ray" wrote: > Guys, you can download the Javascript component file for OSA from here: > > http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/JavaScriptOSA/index.html Oh, and if you're interested, here's a centralized "do script" function that accepts AppleScript, VBScript and JavaScript: function stsDoScript pScript,pScriptType,pDirectToConsole if pScriptType ="" then put "AppleScript" into pScriptType replace "`" with quote in pScript switch pScriptType case "AppleScript" case "AS" do pScript as "AppleScript" put the result into tResult break case "VB Script" case "VBS" set the hideConsoleWindows to true if pDirectToConsole = "" then put "C:\libVBS_temp.vbs" into tVBSPath put pScript into url ("file:" & tVBSPath) get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tVBSPath) else get shell("cscript.exe" && pScript) end if put it into tResult if there is a file tVBSPath then send "delete file" && quote & tVBSPath & quote to me in 1 second end if break case "JS" case "JavaScript" if "javascript" is among the lines of the alternateLanguages then do pScript as "JavaScript" put the result into tResult else put "Error: JavaScript OSA component not installed." end if break end switch return tResult end stsDoScript Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 08:46:40 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:46:40 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63FE8A5A-8AF2-473F-A766-C63A7B73C27F@major-k.de> Hi Ken, > On 1/11/06 6:42 AM, "Klaus Major" wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >>>> this is the latest JAVA (not JavaScript) distribution and I have >>>> already installed > ... > Guys, you can download the Javascript component file for OSA from > here: > > http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/JavaScriptOSA/index.html > > So you can actually "do" JavaScript from Rev! There's full > information at > the Late Night Software site... > > Hope this clears things up, Ah, yes sure, thank you guy ;-) But then this has to be installed on the target mac to be able to use it with Rev! Anyway, fine website :-) Good to see that AppleScript simply uses some kind of "repeat for each..." to extract XML elemnts from the XML file :-D > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Wed Jan 11 09:06:28 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:06:28 +0900 Subject: getExif1.2 Message-ID: <20060111140629.4389@mail.chabashira.co.jp> TIFF image supported. http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif12.hqx UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From mark at maseurope.net Wed Jan 11 09:08:40 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:08:40 +0000 Subject: 80 bit extended number Message-ID: <64E65AF1-1123-4017-8028-F5D434917BD0@maseurope.net> I need to extract a binary floating point number from a binary file. It's an 'extended' 80 bit (10 byte) floating point number (I think this is an apple thing). The binaryDecode function doesn't seem to support this, so can anyone here suggest a way of doing it? The binaryDecode function can get the 80 bits and give me them as 1s and 0s in a rev string, or it can give me the 10 bytes as hex numbers, or various other things. Maybe that can help? Mark From mark at maseurope.net Wed Jan 11 09:15:12 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:15:12 +0000 Subject: 80 bit extended number In-Reply-To: <64E65AF1-1123-4017-8028-F5D434917BD0@maseurope.net> References: <64E65AF1-1123-4017-8028-F5D434917BD0@maseurope.net> Message-ID: Also, (haven't got there yet) I'm going to need to extract 24 bit signed integers from the file, and again, binaryDecode doesn't support this. It wouldn't be as simple as reading the two low order bytes as an unsigned integer and then multiplying that by the high order byte as a signed integer, would it? Mark On 11 Jan 2006, at 14:08, Mark Smith wrote: > I need to extract a binary floating point number from a binary > file. It's an 'extended' 80 bit (10 byte) floating point number (I > think this is an apple thing). The binaryDecode function doesn't > seem to support this, so can anyone here suggest a way of doing it? > > The binaryDecode function can get the 80 bits and give me them as > 1s and 0s in a rev string, or it can give me the 10 bytes as hex > numbers, or various other things. Maybe that can help? > > Mark From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 09:19:08 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:19:08 +0100 Subject: getExif1.2 In-Reply-To: <20060111140629.4389@mail.chabashira.co.jp> References: <20060111140629.4389@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: <0044D197-D5AF-4A9D-99F9-305DB36AA287@major-k.de> Konichi-wa UDI-san, > TIFF image supported. > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif12.hqx very nice and very fast, but now i get: -> Error : Not found Tiff tag in every JPEG??? Well, no wonder, it's a JPEG... :-) > UDI > eudio at chabashira.co.jp > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ Sayonara Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 09:31:40 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:31:40 +0100 Subject: getExif1.2 In-Reply-To: <0044D197-D5AF-4A9D-99F9-305DB36AA287@major-k.de> References: <20060111140629.4389@mail.chabashira.co.jp> <0044D197-D5AF-4A9D-99F9-305DB36AA287@major-k.de> Message-ID: <255FEA8D-68E8-458F-924A-06210FF58A53@major-k.de> Addendum: > very nice and very fast, but now i get: > -> Error : Not found Tiff tag > in every JPEG??? These images worked fine yesterday with version 1.0 and 1.1 of your getEXIF. > Well, no wonder, it's a JPEG... :-) >> UDI >> eudio at chabashira.co.jp >> http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ > > Sayonara Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Wed Jan 11 09:43:36 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:43:36 +0900 Subject: getExif1.2 Message-ID: <20060111144337.775@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Konichi-wa Klaus san :-) >very nice and very fast, but now i get: > >-> Error : Not found Tiff tag > >in every JPEG??? > >Well, no wonder, it's a JPEG... :-) Sorry, I'm not good at reading ( and of course writing ) English. Is it about the MESSAGE that you make a topic? Or, doesn't stack work rightly? UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 09:52:43 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:52:43 +0100 Subject: getExif1.2 In-Reply-To: <20060111144337.775@mail.chabashira.co.jp> References: <20060111144337.775@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: <1CF101E5-50C5-4D8B-A6D0-2AA11A135725@major-k.de> Hi UDI, > Konichi-wa Klaus san :-) > >> very nice and very fast, but now i get: >> >> -> Error : Not found Tiff tag >> >> in every JPEG??? >> Well, no wonder, it's a JPEG... :-) > > Sorry, I'm not good at reading ( and of course writing ) English. > Is it about the MESSAGE that you make a topic? No :-) > Or, doesn't stack work rightly? Exactly. I select a JPEG and get nothing but: -> Error : Not found Tiff tag NO jpeg tags are shown. > UDI > eudio at chabashira.co.jp > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From mlange at lexicall.org Wed Jan 11 10:06:45 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:06:45 +0000 Subject: where to obtain quality graphics? Message-ID: <53570560-B9DB-4A2D-9C3F-46F2DAB1E96C@lexicall.org> Hi Joshua, I have tried to provide such a list at: Best, Marielle > On 9 January 2006 8:13:05 AM, Joshua wrote: > > PS: I've often contemplated where to obtain quality graphics for my > programs. I'm looking for background images, icons, textures, > animated menus, etc > (the whole 9 yards). Does anyone have any recommendations on where > to get > customized graphics? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Wed Jan 11 10:21:04 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:21:04 +0900 Subject: getExif1.3 Message-ID: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Thanks Klaus >> Or, doesn't stack work rightly? > >Exactly. I select a JPEG and get nothing but: > >-> Error : Not found Tiff tag > >NO jpeg tags are shown. Oh..Yes! I did stupidity. An issue of endian ( byte order ) makes me always confuse... http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif13.hqx By the way, Exif data are put in a JPEG file as TIFF data. Therefore I return such a message when Exif data aren't found. I thought that you pointed out that thing at first. UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 11 10:24:08 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:24:08 -0600 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> Message-ID: On 1/9/06 11:53 PM, "Mark Swindell" wrote: > Is it possible to somehow return "the _formatted_ mouseline" from > within a mousemove handler? No, unfortunately. > I've thought of a couple of ways to make it happen, but they seem > unnecessarily convoluted, and it seems there might be a > straightforward way to accomplish it that I'm missing. No, sorry... the only thing I could think of would be to get the mouseCharChunk (or equivalent, and then loop through the lengths of each line of the formattedText until you reached the right line. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Wed Jan 11 10:25:49 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:25:49 -0500 Subject: getExif1.3 In-Reply-To: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> References: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: That's a very neat & helpful stack. Thank you! Just out of curiosity, why does it show a thumbnail image of JPEG files but not TIFF? Maybe you have said this before and I missed it. Charles Hartman On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:21 AM, UDI wrote: > Thanks Klaus >>> Or, doesn't stack work rightly? >> >> Exactly. I select a JPEG and get nothing but: >> >> -> Error : Not found Tiff tag >> >> NO jpeg tags are shown. > > > Oh..Yes! I did stupidity. > An issue of endian ( byte order ) makes me always confuse... > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif13.hqx > > By the way, Exif data are put in a JPEG file as TIFF data. > Therefore I return such a message when Exif data aren't found. > I thought that you pointed out that thing at first. > > UDI > eudio at chabashira.co.jp > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 10:27:29 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:27:29 +0100 Subject: getExif1.3 In-Reply-To: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> References: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: Hi UDI, > Thanks Klaus >>> Or, doesn't stack work rightly? >> >> Exactly. I select a JPEG and get nothing but: >> >> -> Error : Not found Tiff tag >> >> NO jpeg tags are shown. > > > Oh..Yes! I did stupidity. > An issue of endian ( byte order ) makes me always confuse... > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/getExif13.hqx Ah, yes, works fine now, o sewa ni narimashita! :-) > By the way, Exif data are put in a JPEG file as TIFF data. > Therefore I return such a message when Exif data aren't found. > I thought that you pointed out that thing at first. Very intersting, i did not know that. > UDI > eudio at chabashira.co.jp > http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ Best from germany Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 10:29:16 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:29:16 +0100 Subject: getExif1.3 In-Reply-To: References: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Message-ID: <0203FDE5-06FF-4BFB-811C-0A1EC403CE59@major-k.de> Hi Charles, > That's a very neat & helpful stack. Thank you! > > Just out of curiosity, why does it show a thumbnail image of JPEG > files but not TIFF? > Maybe you have said this before and I missed it. Ever tried to set the filename of an IMAGE to a TIFF file? That's it ;-) You need a player object (and QuickTime) to display a TIFF. > Charles Hartman Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Wed Jan 11 10:37:06 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:06 -0500 Subject: getExif1.3 In-Reply-To: <0203FDE5-06FF-4BFB-811C-0A1EC403CE59@major-k.de> References: <20060111152105.6248@mail.chabashira.co.jp> <0203FDE5-06FF-4BFB-811C-0A1EC403CE59@major-k.de> Message-ID: Ah -- thanks. I've never ventured into these waters before, & am therefore even more than usually ignorant. Charles On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Charles, > >> That's a very neat & helpful stack. Thank you! >> >> Just out of curiosity, why does it show a thumbnail image of JPEG >> files but not TIFF? >> Maybe you have said this before and I missed it. > > Ever tried to set the filename of an IMAGE to a TIFF file? > That's it ;-) > > You need a player object (and QuickTime) to display a TIFF. > >> Charles Hartman > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eudio at chabashira.co.jp Wed Jan 11 10:42:40 2006 From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:42:40 +0900 Subject: getExif1.3 Message-ID: <20060111154241.5205@mail.chabashira.co.jp> Hi, Klaus >>You need a player object (and QuickTime) to display a TIFF. Wow, I didn't know that. If there was an opportunity sometime, I will change the stack... UDI eudio at chabashira.co.jp http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Wed Jan 11 13:02:55 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:02:55 -0500 Subject: revCopyFolder Command Message-ID: <1D5B6F9F-F7C9-4F63-A16E-1176756B142B@videotron.ca> Hello everyone, Would the alternative to using the revCopyFolder command be to drill down through all of a folder's sub-folders and use "put url" to make individual copies of the files? Gregory From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Jan 11 13:08:16 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:08:16 +0100 Subject: revCopyFolder Command In-Reply-To: <1D5B6F9F-F7C9-4F63-A16E-1176756B142B@videotron.ca> References: <1D5B6F9F-F7C9-4F63-A16E-1176756B142B@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Hi Gregory, Yes :-( But what would you not use revCopyFolder? The following function (by Frederic Rinaldi) might help you: function AllFiles pFolder,pAddFullPath,pAllInfos local tStarpFolder ----- set cursor to busy if last char of pFolder <> slash then put slash after pFolder if tStarpFolder is empty then put pFolder into tStarpFolder ----- set the defaultFolder to pFolder if the result <> empty then beep answer error "Could not find" && pFolder titled "Error" exit to top end if ----- put the detailed files into filesList filter filesList without ".*" filter filesList without "Icon%0D*" filter filesList without "*,MACSfdrp" -- remove folder aliases ----- put the folders into foldersList filter foldersList without ".*" ----- repeat for each line loopFolder in foldersList put AllFiles(pFolder & loopFolder & "/",pAddFullPath,pAllInfos) & return after resultList end repeat ----- repeat with i=number of lines of filesList down to 1 set cursor to busy if pAddFullPath then put MyURLEncode(pFolder) before line i of filesList if not pAllInfos then put item 1 of line i of filesList into line i of filesList end repeat ----- put resultList & filesList into tFinalList sort lines of tFinalList return word 1 to -1 of tFinalList -- strip empty lines end AllFiles ------------------------------------ function MyURLEncode what put URLEncode(what) into what replace "%2F" with "/" in what return what end MyURLEncode Le 11 janv. 06 ? 19:02, Gregory Lypny a ?crit : > Would the alternative to using the revCopyFolder command be to > drill down through all of a folder's sub-folders and use "put url" > to make individual copies of the files? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From tg.lists at geistinteractive.com Wed Jan 11 13:36:32 2006 From: tg.lists at geistinteractive.com (Todd Geist) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:36:32 -0800 Subject: esellerate ??? Message-ID: <0D17EDEF-D372-4287-BF9F-612E07833713@geistinteractive.com> Hello Has anybody out there used esellerate with Revolution? http://www.esellerate.net/ Any plug-ins? any opinions Thanks very much! Todd -- Todd Geist ______________________________________ g e i s t i n t e r a c t i v e From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Wed Jan 11 14:01:54 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:01:54 -0500 Subject: revCopyFolder Command In-Reply-To: <20060111180003.8999C8254D6@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060111180003.8999C8254D6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Eric. I think I might not use revCopyFolder with CGIs because I experienced some problems previously when I tried to use revCopyFile. These may have to do with loading the appropriate library or calling the AppleScript. I'll have to experiment with both. By the way, thanks for the handler. Regards, Gregory On 11-Jan-06, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Yes :-( > But what would you not use revCopyFolder? > The following function (by Frederic Rinaldi) might help you: From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Jan 11 14:24:09 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:24:09 -0500 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7021DD3F-1907-4D63-9339-C710EE096A51@adelphia.net> I get Applescript and Javascript here. 10.4.4 Tom On Jan 11, 2006, at 6:04 AM, Paul Claude wrote: > Dear Klaus and Ton, > > When I write "answer the alternateLanguages" in the messagebox it > gives me > "AppleScript" and "JavaScript" too! Why it's different for you? I > suppose > that this means that I can directly use "do" with JavaScript code. > > Have you checked the Easy Envelope Widget > (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19130)? The problem is that I > don't > know JavaScript: someone out know how to use it starting from those > widgets > scripts? > > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Jan 11 14:28:23 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:28:23 -0500 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> References: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> Message-ID: Klaus, from the javascript site: http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/ JavaScriptOSA/index.html "JavaScript OSA is a port of the Mozilla JavaScript 1.5 scripting system" Could it be that an installation of FireFox or Netscape installed the Javascript scripting system component or OSA? I do have Netscape and Firefox. Tom On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Paul, > >>> this is the latest JAVA (not JavaScript) distribution and I have >>> already installed >>> a newer version. >>> >>> It is getting VERY strange...?! :-) >> I'm sorry, Klaus, but I haven't installed nothing else, from what >> I can >> remember. > > that's why i wrote "It is getting VERY strange...?!" :-) > >> Paul Claude >> -- >> Greetings from Rome > > Best > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 14:35:08 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:35:08 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, > Klaus, > from the javascript site: http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/ > JavaScriptOSA/index.html > > "JavaScript OSA is a port of the Mozilla JavaScript 1.5 scripting > system" > > Could it be that an installation of FireFox or Netscape installed > the Javascript scripting system component or OSA? I do have > Netscape and Firefox. I also have Firefox installed, but not Netscape. Still very strange... And has anybody already "done" something AS Javascript???? THAT would be very intersting! ;-) > Tom Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From Kapil.JAMKAR at insead.edu Wed Jan 11 16:26:49 2006 From: Kapil.JAMKAR at insead.edu (JAMKAR Kapil) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:49 +0100 Subject: copying folder Message-ID: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D79095CADCD@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra> Hi there Can anyone suggest me the tutorial for using XML in revolution? kapil From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk Wed Jan 11 16:54:44 2006 From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:54:44 +0000 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> Message-ID: <43C57EA4.2050308@harbourhost.co.uk> Klaus Major wrote: > > And has anybody already "done" something AS Javascript???? > THAT would be very intersting! ;-) > >> Tom yep, I guess so, I just did this: put "Core.pick(""e&"Pick a Boy:""e&comma into js put "[""e&"Manny""e&comma"e& "Moe" after js put quote & comma & quote &"Jack""e &"])" after js do js as javascript put the result which puts up an alert featuring a list field populated with the entries Manny, Moe, Jack and returns the text of the line you choose. the example is adapted from the Intro pdf Does that count? Martin From klaus at major-k.de Wed Jan 11 17:03:17 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:03:17 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <43C57EA4.2050308@harbourhost.co.uk> References: <3AB66333-34B2-440C-8C63-08DD255D11B8@major-k.de> <43C57EA4.2050308@harbourhost.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Martin, > Klaus Major wrote: >> And has anybody already "done" something AS Javascript???? >> THAT would be very intersting! ;-) >>> Tom > > yep, I guess so, > > I just did this: > > put "Core.pick(""e&"Pick a Boy:""e&comma into js > put "[""e&"Manny""e&comma"e& "Moe" after js > put quote & comma & quote &"Jack""e &"])" after js > do js as javascript > put the result > > which puts up an alert featuring a list field populated with the > entries Manny, Moe, Jack and returns the text of the line you choose. > > the example is adapted from the Intro pdf > > Does that count? Sure :-) > Martin Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com Wed Jan 11 17:06:27 2006 From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:27 -0800 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine Message-ID: Greetings, I never imagined I'd stop using my trusty Macintosh. However, I'm trying the stacks I use to run my business on a Windows XP machine, at least temporarily. Except for minor adjustments of button types, text margins and such, it seemed to work fine, until today. The problem command is not exactly unusual: revPrintField (the name of bg field "text") This would normally produce two or three pages of printer output. It's worked perfectly on thousands of occasions on my Macintosh. On the XP machine there is something terribly wrong with the printed output. Oddly, the first page prints just dandy. On subsequent pages, two or three characters, even more, get printed on top of each other. This mostly happens on the right hand side of each line, though that is not consistent. I tried setting the formatforPrinting property of the stack to true. No help. I know I'm following the proper procedure (rather cumbersome, it seems) for setting that property, because the little script I wrote reports the value of the property with an "answer" dialog box. I tried setting the printmargins to a reasonable value -- a value that works fine on the Windows machine on another stack, where I print a card, not a field. No help. As far as I can tell, the printmargins apply only to printing cards, anyway -- not fields. So, I'm out of ideas. Any suggestions would be appreciated. If this issue has been discussed endlessly, a helpful link would probably be sufficient. Cheers, Tim Miller From rgriffit at ctc.net Wed Jan 11 17:26:21 2006 From: rgriffit at ctc.net (Raymond Griffith) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:26:21 -0500 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <43C57EA4.2050308@harbourhost.co.uk> Message-ID: On 1/11/06 4:54 PM, "Martin Baxter" wrote: > Klaus Major wrote: >> >> And has anybody already "done" something AS Javascript???? >> THAT would be very intersting! ;-) >> >>> Tom > > yep, I guess so, > > I just did this: > > put "Core.pick(""e&"Pick a Boy:""e&comma into js > put "[""e&"Manny""e&comma"e& "Moe" after js > put quote & comma & quote &"Jack""e &"])" after js > do js as javascript > put the result Try this: put "Core.pick(*Pick a Boy:*,[*Manny*,*Moe*,*Jack*])" into js do replacetext(js,"*",quote) as javascript put the result This is a favorite trick of mine. Having to put in all those "es and commas into a do-statement is tedious, and often makes the script unreadable. Using an unneeded symbol in the place of a quote and replacing it later improves readability tremendously. Cheers! Raymond E. Griffith > > which puts up an alert featuring a list field populated with the entries > Manny, Moe, Jack and returns the text of the line you choose. > > the example is adapted from the Intro pdf > > Does that count? > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com Wed Jan 11 17:36:56 2006 From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:36:56 -0800 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's me, the OP on this thread. A wise and generous soul has sent me a private message, including a model script necessary to print fields more than one printed page long, on a Windows machine. I'd suppose this has been discussed to death, so I'll let it rest. I wonder if this is a sign from the Supreme Geek -- a stern warning of greater suffering to come if I continue to spurn my Macintosh. Thanks to the list for being there when I need you. Tim >Greetings, > >I never imagined I'd stop using my trusty Macintosh. However, I'm >trying the stacks I use to run my business on a Windows XP machine, >at least temporarily. Except for minor adjustments of button types, >text margins and such, it seemed to work fine, until today. > >The problem command is not exactly unusual: > >revPrintField (the name of bg field "text") > >This would normally produce two or three pages of printer output. >It's worked perfectly on thousands of occasions on my Macintosh. > >On the XP machine there is something terribly wrong with the printed >output. Oddly, the first page prints just dandy. On subsequent >pages, two or three characters, even more, get printed on top of >each other. This mostly happens on the right hand side of each line, >though that is not consistent. > >I tried setting the formatforPrinting property of the stack to true. >No help. I know I'm following the proper procedure (rather >cumbersome, it seems) for setting that property, because the little >script I wrote reports the value of the property with an "answer" >dialog box. > >I tried setting the printmargins to a reasonable value -- a value >that works fine on the Windows machine on another stack, where I >print a card, not a field. No help. As far as I can tell, the >printmargins apply only to printing cards, anyway -- not fields. > >So, I'm out of ideas. Any suggestions would be appreciated. If this >issue has been discussed endlessly, a helpful link would probably be >sufficient. > >Cheers, > >Tim Miller >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at proherp.com Wed Jan 11 17:37:10 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:37:10 +1100 Subject: esellerate ??? In-Reply-To: <0D17EDEF-D372-4287-BF9F-612E07833713@geistinteractive.com> Message-ID: <000c01c616ff$93d10b20$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Todd, > > Has anybody out there used esellerate with Revolution? > http://www.esellerate.net/ Any plug-ins? any opinions They have an excellent reputation for software e-commerce. There are others - my personal favorite being RegSoft http://www.regsoft.net I've been with them for six years and they are excellent! They also offer a Debit Card (VISA debit card) that I use rather than transferring money in via cheque (very expensive), though right now I am between projects and not earning a great deal. ;-) Scott From ljk144 at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 17:45:24 2006 From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:45:24 -0500 Subject: esellerate ??? In-Reply-To: <0D17EDEF-D372-4287-BF9F-612E07833713@geistinteractive.com> References: <0D17EDEF-D372-4287-BF9F-612E07833713@geistinteractive.com> Message-ID: On 1/11/06, Todd Geist wrote: > Has anybody out there used esellerate with Revolution? > > http://www.esellerate.net/ > > Any plug-ins? any opinions Yes, actually I have but as far as I can tell you cannot use their SDK natively with Revolution. My solution to this was to make a small separate app using C (there is some good example code somewhere in the SDK). I then launch this program from within Revolution, it writes a small datafile in the directory when done that I can then read in the program. I'd be interested if there was a way to use their DLL natively, but as far as I found the best method was to simply use something else and have them talk via a file. -Levi Kendall From mdswindell at charter.net Wed Jan 11 18:05:49 2006 From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:05:49 -0800 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Ken. I was afraid of that. Well, if anything simple comes to mind for anyone, please let me know. It would seem this might be a useful function to build into Rev. (I know I'd sure find it handy right now.) TIA, Mark On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:24 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > On 1/9/06 11:53 PM, "Mark Swindell" wrote: > >> Is it possible to somehow return "the _formatted_ mouseline" from >> within a mousemove handler? > > No, unfortunately. > >> I've thought of a couple of ways to make it happen, but they seem >> unnecessarily convoluted, and it seems there might be a >> straightforward way to accomplish it that I'm missing. > > No, sorry... the only thing I could think of would be to get the > mouseCharChunk (or equivalent, and then loop through the lengths of > each > line of the formattedText until you reached the right line. > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 11 18:11:00 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:11:00 -0600 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/11/06 4:26 PM, "Raymond Griffith" wrote: > put "Core.pick(*Pick a Boy:*,[*Manny*,*Moe*,*Jack*])" into js > do replacetext(js,"*",quote) as javascript > put the result > > This is a favorite trick of mine. Having to put in all those "es and > commas into a do-statement is tedious, and often makes the script > unreadable. Using an unneeded symbol in the place of a quote and replacing > it later improves readability tremendously. Agreed, although I usually use the backquote (`) symbol (same as the tilde key, but without the shift) because (a) I never use it for other things, (b) it is *sort of* like a quote, and (c) it is what SuperCard uses in their merge function to replace a quotation mark (wish we had *this* in Rev's merge function!). Anyway, a good suggestion in any event... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jan 11 18:17:05 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:17:05 -0800 Subject: MacWorld 2006 day 1 Message-ID: <18516484843.20060111151705@ahsoftware.net> All- MacWorld is bigger this year than last. Not quite up to the glory days of old, but definitely bigger and better. And more people. I haven't seen any attendance figures from IDG, but subjectively it felt like wall-to-wall people again. Last year I easily finished with the show floor in a couple of hours. This year I was hard-pressed to see everything before heading up to the User Group area. The new dual-core intel machines look very nice, although I'm disappointed that there's no firewire 800 support. The builtin iSight is a nice touch. Revvers started gathering in the User Group lounge at four and hung there for the next couple of hours swapping ideas before heading across the street to the Metreon for dinner and more talk. In attendance were David Brooks, Dick Kreisel, Kathy Jaqua, Dennis Fortin, Bill Vlahos, and myself. Kathy did the sexy presentation with a collection some stunning graphic buttons that I can't wait to start using to spiff up my stacks, and I did the dry presentation on decoupling objects. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From chipp at chipp.com Wed Jan 11 18:53:58 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:53:58 -0600 Subject: [ANN] New free plugin.. Message-ID: <43C59A96.5070207@chipp.com> altGroupMgr at bottom of page: (needs altPluginToolbar) http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm or in msg box: go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.rev" and then be sure and palette it (click in the very left top corner and it will palette). altGroupMgr is a plugin to help manage groups in multiple card stacks. When launched from the altPluginToolbar, it works as a palette targeting the topStack. When the Auto Refresh Group List is checked, the Group List is automatically regenerated when going from card to card in the topStack. The Group List is a list of ALL the groups in a stack. This way you can easily and quickly PLACE groups from one card onto another. Clicking on a group selects it. If the group is already on the current card it will blink it a couple of times on the card so you can see it. You can then choose to remove it from the card by clicking the Remove Selected Grp from Cd button. Remember, there is no UNDO! If the group is not on the current card, you can choose to PLACE it there by clicking the Place Selected Grp on Cd button. The columns for the Group List are: Origin Cd - This is the first instance of the group found in the stack. While multiple cards may share a group, it is only necessary to list the first instance of it. On Current Cd? - YES if this group is placed on the current card of the topStack. No if it is not. GroupID - The ID of the Group Group Name - The short name of the Group Tested only on WinXP, but it *should* work on Mac. Please holler at me if you have any probs. best, Chipp From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Wed Jan 11 18:58:56 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:58:56 -0500 Subject: MacWorld 2006 day 1 In-Reply-To: <18516484843.20060111151705@ahsoftware.net> References: <18516484843.20060111151705@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <3910E8D5-DECB-4830-8716-8170AC787EB5@conncoll.edu> (great -- but how was Josh Redman?) On Jan 11, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > All- > > MacWorld is bigger this year than last. Not quite up to the glory days > of old, but definitely bigger and better. And more people. I haven't > seen any attendance figures from IDG, but subjectively it felt like > wall-to-wall people again. Last year I easily finished with the show > floor in a couple of hours. This year I was hard-pressed to see > everything before heading up to the User Group area. > > The new dual-core intel machines look very nice, although I'm > disappointed that there's no firewire 800 support. The builtin iSight > is a nice touch. > > Revvers started gathering in the User Group lounge at four and hung > there for the next couple of hours swapping ideas before heading > across the street to the Metreon for dinner and more talk. In > attendance were David Brooks, Dick Kreisel, Kathy Jaqua, Dennis > Fortin, Bill Vlahos, and myself. Kathy did the sexy presentation with > a collection some stunning graphic buttons that I can't wait to start > using to spiff up my stacks, and I did the dry presentation on > decoupling objects. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Wed Jan 11 19:03:34 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:03:34 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens---Happy end !!! Message-ID: Hi, thanks for advices and ideas. Klaus Major helped with a formidable little explanatory demo-stack: "Hole in the world", which I hope he wil make available for future idiots like me. You produce an image of large size in a graphic program, I used "Graphic converter". You select the central area you need for a hole, and make that transparent, and save the image as png. You create a wide substack and import that image to it. And then it is only this much for a handler in the stack-script: On preopenstack set the windowshape of me to( the number the image got in the stack) end preopenstack. Thus you can hide, whatever shouldt be shown, on larger screens. The simplest for us will probably be to anchor our 1024*768 hole at 0,0. But being unfamiiar with which greater screensizes exists it would be nice if somebody could tell us, the existing "oversizes" as of 2006, - and perhaps explain wether our masking stack will have to be fitted (automaticaly, if a method exists) to the particular degree of oversize window, -or we just can make it as large as the largest, and leave it to the users screen to show what it can show. Anyhow thank you so much for friendly support Kresten www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg From jhonken at x12.info Wed Jan 11 19:27:23 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:27:23 -0700 Subject: Combo Box and Focus Message-ID: <000001c6170e$f8073240$640fa8c0@work1> I'm trying to change the focus from a field to a Combo Box called "PayType". When I try to use to below code it errors "Not a valid Control". Isn't a Combo box a "button" ? on tabKey focus on btn PayType end tabKey From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Jan 11 19:34:13 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: Combo Box and Focus In-Reply-To: <000001c6170e$f8073240$640fa8c0@work1> References: <000001c6170e$f8073240$640fa8c0@work1> Message-ID: <9C41CC78-B258-480C-BFE1-94BAC8C46E94@adelphia.net> is that the actual code? no qoutes around your button name? could be the problem. Or from the docs: If the object's traversalOn property is false, it cannot receive the focus, and the focus command causes an error. hth Tom On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Jeff Honken wrote: > I'm trying to change the focus from a field to a Combo Box called > "PayType". When I try to use to below code it errors "Not a valid > Control". Isn't a Combo box a "button" ? > > on tabKey > focus on btn PayType > end tabKey > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From jhonken at x12.info Wed Jan 11 19:51:02 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:51:02 -0700 Subject: Combo Box and Focus In-Reply-To: <9C41CC78-B258-480C-BFE1-94BAC8C46E94@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000001c61712$430d40b0$640fa8c0@work1> Tom, That did the trick. I didn't know the the default for traversalOn is "false". Thanks, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:34 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Combo Box and Focus is that the actual code? no qoutes around your button name? could be the problem. Or from the docs: If the object's traversalOn property is false, it cannot receive the focus, and the focus command causes an error. hth Tom On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Jeff Honken wrote: > I'm trying to change the focus from a field to a Combo Box called > "PayType". When I try to use to below code it errors "Not a valid > Control". Isn't a Combo box a "button" ? > > on tabKey > focus on btn PayType > end tabKey > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River SoftwareT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal ArtT - http://www.lazyriversftware.com/metal.html Meeting WearT - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 19:54:48 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:54:48 +1000 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > A wise and generous soul has sent me a private message, including a > model script necessary to print fields more than one printed page > long, on a Windows machine. I'd suppose this has been discussed to > death, so I'll let it rest. Hi Tim, Could you quote the script here so it is available to us all? I don't need it at the moment, but as another Mac person, I might run into this problem at some stage, so I would love to be able to find this in the archives. Thanks, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 19:57:47 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:57:47 +1000 Subject: copying folder In-Reply-To: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D79095CADCD@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra> References: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D79095CADCD@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra> Message-ID: > Can anyone suggest me the tutorial for using XML in revolution? > http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials/XMLdemo1.rev.gz Cheers, Sarah From jhonken at x12.info Wed Jan 11 20:13:42 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:13:42 -0700 Subject: Combo Box and Hilited Pick Message-ID: <000101c61715$7043a030$640fa8c0@work1> I have a combo Box. The box has several items in it. When I choose what item has been picked I use: get the selectedText of btn "PayType" How do I "set" the button for a menu choice? I have items such as PPO and HMO in the combo box choices. I'm looking for something like: Set the selectedText of btn "PayType" to "PPO" But I would like it to work. Jeff From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Jan 11 20:43:21 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:43:21 -0800 Subject: ANN: MVC Primer version 2 Message-ID: <6625261013.20060111174321@ahsoftware.net> All- After our discussion last night at MacWorld, I went back and reworked my MVC example stack. Dick Kreisel pointed out a problem with grouping controls and suggested a way to avoid having to use the long id of a control. The reworking went pretty quickly, so I added some more examples and changed my nomenclature to fit with the "traditional" MVC pattern. Now available on revOnline in userspace mwieder. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Wed Jan 11 21:05:25 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:05:25 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Combo Box and Hilited Pick References: <9DBFB3BD-3370-4C23-BC8D-68F05D293A74@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Jeff, set the menuHistory of button "PayType" to 1 -- or 2 etc. coinciding to the item you want from the docs: Description Use the menuHistory property to change the selected item in a menu, or to find out which menu item is currently selected. Value: The menuHistory of a button is an integer between 1 and the number of menu items in the menu. By default, the menuHistory property of newly created buttons is set to 1. Comments: When you set the menuHistory property, a menuPick message is sent to the button. If the button's menuMode is "comboBox", setting its menuHistory also changes the button's label to the new menu item. hth Tom On Jan 11, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Jeff Honken wrote: > I have a combo Box. The box has several items in it. When I choose > what item has been picked I use: > > get the selectedText of btn "PayType" > > How do I "set" the button for a menu choice? I have items such as PPO > and HMO in the combo box choices. > > I'm looking for something like: > > Set the selectedText of btn "PayType" to "PPO" > > But I would like it to work. Jeff From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 21:07:58 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:07:58 +1000 Subject: externalsCommands Message-ID: Hi All, I have an app and I set the main stack to use the revSpeech bundle as follows: set the externals of stack "efMain" to tAppFolder & "/externals/revspeech.bundle" This works fine (tAppFolder is correct) and a test speech actually works. However I had a check later on to confirm that the speech library had actually loaded OK, that uses this script: if the externalCommands of stack "efMain" contains "revSpeak" then return true else return false This always returns false. When I specifically check: the externalCommands of stack "efMain" it returns empty, as do the externalFunctions and the externalPackages in both the IDE and my standalone. the externals of stack "efMain" gives me the revSpeech.bundle as set above. Am I doing something wrong? How can I test what external commands are available or is this broken in 2.6.1? TIA, Sarah From katir at hindu.org Wed Jan 11 22:00:14 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:00:14 -1000 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <274B2076-0FAB-41C3-B1A6-9DEBABC0C710@hindu.org> Ditto that...please quote the script here. Just because there some super sages on this list doesn't mean that "trivial" stuff need not be exposed. It may be just the thing someone needs. My users have printing problems on windows, I use the standard code on printTranscript put the cHeader of me into tPrintTranscript replace "|" with ": " in tPrintTranscript replace "\" with "" in tPrintTranscript put cr & cr after tPrintTranscript put fld "Transcript" after tPrintTranscript revShowPrintdialog, true,true revPrintText tPrintTranscript end printTranscript Simple, right? poke a variable with some text and print it. Well, it works on the Mac but delivers garbage on Windows...I haven't had time to solve this but I really need to. And if this is useful maybe Dan can add it to his printing Smart Book. Sivakatirswami On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Could you quote the script here so it is available to us all? I don't > need it at the moment, but as another Mac person, I might run into > this problem at some stage, so I would love to be able to find this in > the archives. > > Thanks, > Sarah From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com Wed Jan 11 22:09:54 2006 From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:54 -0800 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sarah, The wise and generous person subscribes to the list. I think I'll hand your question off to him. He might prefer to post his own script. I'll quote the brief description he sent to me. I don't think he'd mind: >The way it basically works is to copy each field from the card to a >printing stack. If a field is larger than a page, then it creates a >second card in the printing stack and copies the large field to that >card. It then divides up the text between the two fields in the >printing stack. It continues this process until enough cards with >copies of the large field have been created to hold all of the text >without any of it getting lost. I'm not sure whether the script uses Actually, printfield seems to work okay in Windows, as long as the printed output is no longer than one page. The printer goes crazy on page two and subsequent pages. If I understand the suggested script, the general approach is to use "Print Card" or "Print Stack" instead of printfield. As far as I can tell, Print Card works fine on my Windows machine, as long as I get the print rect and printmargins right. There are probably other workarounds. For instance, it might be possible to shuttle lines in and out of the field, so it never contains more than one printable page, then use printfield repeatedly, then replace the original text when printing is completed. I don't know -- haven't tried that. Any other ideas? What a pain in the neck! It would be WAY easier to start using my friendly Macintosh again. I had some other reasons to try my stacks on my Windows machine, but it might not be worth the trouble, and it's probably bad karma. I hope this was a teensy bit helpful. Cheers, Tim > > A wise and generous soul has sent me a private message, including a >> model script necessary to print fields more than one printed page >> long, on a Windows machine. I'd suppose this has been discussed to >> death, so I'll let it rest. > >Hi Tim, > >Could you quote the script here so it is available to us all? I don't >need it at the moment, but as another Mac person, I might run into >this problem at some stage, so I would love to be able to find this in >the archives. > >Thanks, >Sarah From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com Wed Jan 11 22:18:52 2006 From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:18:52 -0800 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Oops. This is my second reply. A few seconds ago, Eudora automatically snipped part of the quoted message, and I overlooked a typo. Here it goes again: ************************** The wise and generous person subscribes to the list. I think I'll hand your question off to him. He might prefer to post his own script. I'll quote the brief description he sent to me. I don't think he'd mind: Begin quote The way it basically works is to copy each field from the card to a printing stack. If a field is larger than a page, then it creates a second card in the printing stack and copies the large field to that card. It then divides up the text between the two fields in the printing stack. It continues this process until enough cards with copies of the large field have been created to hold all of the text without any of it getting lost. End quote If I understand the suggested script, the general approach is to use "Print Card" or "Print Stack" instead of printfield. As far as I can tell, Print Card works fine on my Windows machine, as long as I get the print rect and printmargins right. Printfield seems to work okay in Windows, as long as the printed output is no longer than one page. The printer goes crazy on page two and subsequent pages. I suppose this is a known problem. I can't get to bugzilla at the moment. There are probably other workarounds. For instance, it might be possible to shuttle lines in and out of the field, so it never contains more than one printable page, then use printfield repeatedly, then replace the original text when printing is completed. I don't know -- haven't tried that. Any other ideas? What a pain in the neck! It would be WAY easier to start using my Friendly Macintosh again. I had some other reasons to try my stacks on my Windows machine, but it might not be worth the trouble, and it's probably bad karma. I hope this was a teensy bit helpful. Cheers, Tim > > A wise and generous soul has sent me a private message, including a >> model script necessary to print fields more than one printed page >> long, on a Windows machine. I'd suppose this has been discussed to >> death, so I'll let it rest. > >Hi Tim, > >Could you quote the script here so it is available to us all? I don't >need it at the moment, but as another Mac person, I might run into >this problem at some stage, so I would love to be able to find this in >the archives. > >Thanks, >Sarah From ddesmarais58 at comcast.net Wed Jan 11 23:05:06 2006 From: ddesmarais58 at comcast.net (Dennis F. Desmarais) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:05:06 -0500 Subject: Revolution Compatible with Debian Type Linux? Message-ID: <1137038706.10489.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi All: A real newbie here. I have moved away from Windows XP for a lot of my work to Ubuntu Linux distribution, which is a variant of Debian Linux. Any sense whether the Revolution development package will install properly on Debian Linux? In any case, it sounds like I need to hang on to my Windows installation to test the behavior of Revolution's code under Windows... ...But I really hope I can install the development package on my Linux distribution. Any thoughts? Thanks, Dennis From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Jan 11 23:36:11 2006 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:36:11 -0600 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C5DCBB.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Timothy Miller wrote: > There are probably other workarounds. For instance, it might be possible > to shuttle lines in and out of the field, so it never contains more than > one printable page, then use printfield repeatedly, then replace the > original text when printing is completed. This is pretty much the standard suggested approach. You fill a field, print the card, then scroll the field one field length, print the card again, continuing till the text is done. Rev provides a property that gives you the different scrolls you need for each page. See the "pageHeights" property in the docs, which describes the process. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From laguer at ucs.orst.edu Wed Jan 11 23:38:43 2006 From: laguer at ucs.orst.edu (Richard Lague) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:38:43 -0800 Subject: Text in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <000301c615cc$6029c660$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000301c615cc$6029c660$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: I asked about this a while back. Sarah Reichelt answered me. Here is my question and her answer: > I have made a list field for jumping to different cards in the stack-- > and it works fine. But I do have a small interface annoyance because > the click-on-line in the list field then jumps to the bottom of the > list field. The only time this does not happen is when the list field > is scrolled all the way to the top. > > When a line in the list field is clicked it opens the corresponding > card. (The lines in the list field are card names.) There is an > openCard handler that sets the highlighted line of the list field to > the line for the just opened card. > > Is there some way to stop this jumping and just have the list field > stay put when a card name is clicked on? > > Setting the hilitedLine of a field will always cause it to scroll so that the hilited line is visible. If you don't want this to happen, you can check the vScroll of the field before you set the hilitedLine, then set it back afterwards. Sarah On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Scott Kane wrote: > Worked out one way of doing it. > Setting the font size larger solves > it, though it's a bit on the "loud" > side... > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 12 01:20:27 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:20:27 -0600 Subject: externalsCommands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> Hi Sarah, On XP, I'm able to successfully: put the externalcommands of this stack (using a not yet released external) but it does work. Perhaps your external is not pointing to the correct place? I would guess it's not if you can't see the externalcommands. Rev 2.6.1 Course it's not Mac. -Chipp Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Hi All, > > I have an app and I set the main stack to use the revSpeech bundle as follows: > set the externals of stack "efMain" to tAppFolder & > "/externals/revspeech.bundle" > > > Am I doing something wrong? How can I test what external commands are > available or is this broken in 2.6.1? From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 12 01:21:21 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:21:21 -0600 Subject: [ANN] New free plugin.. In-Reply-To: <43C59A96.5070207@chipp.com> References: <43C59A96.5070207@chipp.com> Message-ID: <43C5F561.5060009@chipp.com> A bug in the previous version fixed. If you have altPluginToolbar, just check for updates. If not, then download from below link. Chipp Walters wrote: > altGroupMgr > > at bottom of page: (needs altPluginToolbar) > http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm > > or in msg box: > > go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.rev" > and then be sure and palette it (click in the very left top corner and > it will palette). From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 01:53:55 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:53:55 +1000 Subject: externalsCommands In-Reply-To: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> References: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply Chipp. The weird thing is that I can USE the external's commands and functions perfectly. I just can't LIST them or check them in any way. Maybe this is a Mac problem. I'll make a test stack and see if it works. Cheers, Sarah On 1/12/06, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > On XP, I'm able to successfully: > > put the externalcommands of this stack > > (using a not yet released external) but it does work. > Perhaps your external is not pointing to the correct place? I would > guess it's not if you can't see the externalcommands. > > Rev 2.6.1 > > Course it's not Mac. > > -Chipp > > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have an app and I set the main stack to use the revSpeech bundle as follows: > > set the externals of stack "efMain" to tAppFolder & > > "/externals/revspeech.bundle" > > > > > > Am I doing something wrong? How can I test what external commands are > > available or is this broken in 2.6.1? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jan 12 01:58:16 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:58:16 -0800 Subject: OT: Re: MacWorld 2006 day 1 In-Reply-To: <3910E8D5-DECB-4830-8716-8170AC787EB5@conncoll.edu> References: <18516484843.20060111151705@ahsoftware.net> <3910E8D5-DECB-4830-8716-8170AC787EB5@conncoll.edu> Message-ID: <4444156954.20060111225816@ahsoftware.net> Charles- Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 3:58:56 PM, you wrote: > (great -- but how was Josh Redman?) Well, I went to the bus early in the day to check it out, since I had conflicting reports as to whether Josh would be on at 3 or 3:30. The folks staffing the table were happy to hand out freebies (Guitar Player magazine and such) but didn't know anything about any performances. I guess that was a last year thing. Anyway, I checked back a bit after three and nothing was happening, so I didn't bother checking back today to see if Bob Weir was playing. I'm assuming that was a red herring as well. I've seen Josh play enough times (he's a local), so I wasn't too miffed about it. I'm more excited about the "Nels Cline plays the music of Andrew Hill" show coming up at the end of the month at Yoshi's. I forgot to mention that MacWorld was again split about half and half between the iPod and computers. The best writeup I've seen covering the show is Henry Norr's review over at macintouch.com. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From paulclaude at postino.it Thu Jan 12 02:17:48 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:17:48 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's all very interesting. But there is anyone that have an idea about how to solve the problem explained in the title of this thread? Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome on 11-01-2006 11:00, Paul Claude at paulclaude at postino.it wrote: > An old problem; other languages (as RealBasic) have classes who allow to > access the Address Book database without opening the application > (applescripting method). > > My question is: the Address Book Widget (and the Easy Envelope widget too) > can access the database using apparently some Javascript code (you may find > it opening the widget package), and Revolution too can run Javascript code > through the command "do". > > There is someone that, knowing the Javascript language, can extract the > right code from these widgets in order to read the records from the > addressbook.data database? From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu Jan 12 03:52:19 2006 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:52:19 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:17 AM +0100 1/12/06, Paul Claude wrote: > >But there is anyone that have an idea about how to solve the problem >explained in the title of this thread? Does it have to be javascript? Can you use applescript? (I am assuming that you are talking about a Mac) ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006 www.techietours.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Jan 12 03:58:33 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:58:33 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens---Happy end !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741910B1-74FA-48A3-BDED-8949A4A5FD48@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Kresten, "Usual" wider screens (23') are 1920*1200 pixels. That could be your substack size in all cases with a 1024*768 "hole" in the middle. Prefer to center your stacks on-screen: set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc (in a preOpenStack handler to avoid any flicker). Le 12 janv. 06 ? 01:03, Kresten Bjerg a ?crit : > The simplest for us will probably be to anchor our 1024*768 hole at > 0,0. But being unfamiiar with which greater screensizes exists it > would be nice if somebody could tell us, > the existing "oversizes" as of 2006, - and perhaps explain wether > our masking stack will have to be fitted (automaticaly, if a method > exists) to the particular degree of oversize window, -or we just > can make it as large as the largest, and leave it to the users > screen to show what it can show. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From paulclaude at postino.it Thu Jan 12 04:10:56 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:10:56 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi sims, > Does it have to be javascript? > Can you use applescript? (I am assuming that you are talking about a Mac) > > ciao, > sims If you have read entirly my post, you'll find that the problem is that I need to read the adressbook.data database WITHOUT opening the Address Book app. I would like any suggestion (applescript, shell commands, javascript or any other thing is available through revolution) to do this. Ciao Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Jan 12 04:38:16 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:38:16 -0800 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Paul Claude wrote: > the problem is that I > need to read the adressbook.data database WITHOUT opening the Address Book > app. > > I would like any suggestion (applescript, shell commands, javascript or any > other thing is available through revolution) to do this. Perhaps something here might help: http://gnufoo.org/contacts/ Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Jan 12 04:43:35 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:43:35 -0800 Subject: externalsCommands In-Reply-To: References: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Thanks for the reply Chipp. The weird thing is that I can USE the > external's commands and functions perfectly. I just can't LIST them or > check them in any way. > > Maybe this is a Mac problem. I'll make a test stack and see if it > works. Sarah, I just created a standalone using a stack that had the externals set to /Full/Path/to/revspeech.bundle and the externalPackages returned "RevSpeech" (answer the externalPackages of this stack). This was using 2.6.1 on OS X.4. I'm not sure how the speech commands are working without the external being loaded in a standalone though. FWIW, I always check the externalPackages to see if an external has loaded successfully. the externalPackages of a stack will always report the name of the externals that have successfully loaded. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk Thu Jan 12 05:44:37 2006 From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:44:37 +0000 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C63315.7060105@harbourhost.co.uk> Raymond Griffith wrote: > Try this: > > put "Core.pick(*Pick a Boy:*,[*Manny*,*Moe*,*Jack*])" into js > do replacetext(js,"*",quote) as javascript > put the result > > This is a favorite trick of mine. Having to put in all those "es and > commas into a do-statement is tedious, and often makes the script > unreadable. Using an unneeded symbol in the place of a quote and replacing > it later improves readability tremendously. > > Cheers! > > Raymond E. Griffith That's a nice tip Raymond. Worth remembering, and not just for do either as there are numerous situations where this sort of thing happens. Martin From paulclaude at postino.it Thu Jan 12 05:50:56 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:50:56 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a good method, Scott, I knew it before, but the problem is that I cannot prepare a stack for other users that cannot works without another external app. My stack should be sufficient to read the addressbook.data database by itself (like those funny widgets - easy envelope or address book do...) Ciao Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome on 12-01-2006 10:38, Scott Rossi at scott at tactilemedia.com wrote: > Perhaps something here might help: > > http://gnufoo.org/contacts/ > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > ----- > E: scott at tactilemedia.com > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 06:17:35 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:17:35 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96801A5F-5268-46F5-983C-0E835B0ECA6C@major-k.de> Hi Paul, > This is a good method, Scott, I knew it before, but the problem is > that I > cannot prepare a stack for other users that cannot works without > another > external app. My stack should be sufficient to read the > addressbook.data > database by itself (like those funny widgets - easy envelope or > address book > do...) Here is where AddressBook saves its data: /Library/Application Support/AddressBook/ In Transcript: -> (specialfolderpath("asup") & /AddressBook/") But looks like this is in binary format? (Binary stuff is still a mistery to me :-) I have no idea how to extract the entries from whatever file in this folder, but i am sure this is possible somehow... > Ciao > > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From paulclaude at postino.it Thu Jan 12 06:31:18 2006 From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:31:18 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: <96801A5F-5268-46F5-983C-0E835B0ECA6C@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hi Klaus, > In Transcript: > -> (specialfolderpath("asup") & /AddressBook/") > > But looks like this is in binary format? > (Binary stuff is still a mistery to me :-) > > I have no idea how to extract the entries from whatever file in this > folder, > but i am sure this is possible somehow... Yes I know. If it had been a simple text file... But no. Ciao Paul Claude -- Greetings from Rome From jerry at hytext.com Thu Jan 12 06:31:58 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:31:58 -0600 Subject: Revolution Compatible with Debian Type Linux? References: <1137038706.10489.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001201c6176b$d0100c50$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis F. Desmarais" > ...But I really hope I can install the development package on my Linux > distribution. Any thoughts? > I'm running RR 2.6.1 on Ubuntu Breezy Badger as my development platform, with no problems other than my lack of programming adroitness (I'm new to Linux and RR at the same time). The package installation is almost trival -- untar the download into a folder. Click the RR executable. That's it. Everything RR needs lives in the untarred directory and subdirectories. To fancy things up a bit, I dragged the icon onto the bottom-screen taskbar for quick-launch access. How is it not working for you? ---- Jerry Muelver From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 06:35:17 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:35:17 +0100 Subject: Accessing AddressBook.data: javascript? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bon jour Paul, > Hi Klaus, > >> In Transcript: >> -> (specialfolderpath("asup") & /AddressBook/") >> >> But looks like this is in binary format? >> (Binary stuff is still a mistery to me :-) >> >> I have no idea how to extract the entries from whatever file in this >> folder, >> but i am sure this is possible somehow... > > Yes I know. If it had been a simple text file... ...then everyone could do it ;-) > But no. That would have been to easy... They only want to annoy us ;-) > Ciao > > Paul Claude > -- > Greetings from Rome Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 06:57:31 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:57:31 +0100 Subject: Restricting display to 1024*768 on wider screens---Happy end !!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6290C85D-A2CB-4102-9E87-156EBD469B0C@major-k.de> Hi Kresten and all, > Hi, > thanks for advices and ideas. > Klaus Major helped with a formidable little explanatory demo-stack: > "Hole in the world", > which I hope he wil make available for future idiots like me. :-) Following your advice I just uploaded the little stack to Revonline. Username: klausimausi Stack: Hole in the world > You produce an image of large size in a graphic program, I used > "Graphic converter". You select the central area you need for a > hole, and make that transparent, and save the image as png. You > create a wide substack and import that image to it. And then it is > only this much for a handler in the stack-script: > On preopenstack > set the windowshape of me to( the number the image got in the stack) > end preopenstack.... > Anyhow > thank you so much for friendly support > > Kresten > > www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From ddesmarais58 at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 07:07:13 2006 From: ddesmarais58 at comcast.net (Dennis F. Desmarais) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:07:13 -0500 Subject: Thanks for the Ubuntu Linux Info Message-ID: <1137067634.20570.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dear Jerry, et. al.: Thanks for the confirmation of RR's compatibility with my linux distro. I was just investigating before I took the plunge and got stuck with a development package that did not like my environment. Thanks again, Dennis From mlange at lexicall.org Thu Jan 12 08:18:45 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:18:45 +0000 Subject: [ANN] New free plugin.. Message-ID: <906CC5E2-0D32-498B-912E-67993D810FCA@lexicall.org> Thanks for this Chipp. Can I make a suggestion? With anything that has to do with groups, I would find helpful to have a kind of DOM inspector that will color the border of nested groups with different colors depending of their levels in the hierarchy. I have asked a bit around. Best way to do it is to have a transparent stack over the real stack to hold the "colored rectangles", so that real UI is unchanged by UI information. ... well, why expect you to do it for me rather than do it myself? That's something I wanted to explore anyway. There is now in revonline an early draft of such an utility, utility category or user "Marielle". Called "Nested_groups_revealer". This should be changed into a palette but I have no time for this today. Note that it uses the "blend" mode of mac osx. I haven't explored blending options on pc yet. Easiest is to edit the group "transparent layer" and set the opaque to false. For this, type in the message box: set the opaque of group "transparent layer" to false. Marielle > altGroupMgr > at bottom of page: (needs altPluginToolbar) > http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm > or in msg box: > go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.rev" > and then be sure and palette it (click in the very left top corner > and it will palette). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Thu Jan 12 08:18:53 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:18:53 -0500 Subject: revCopyFolder Command In-Reply-To: <20060112053458.4A5A08255BC@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060112053458.4A5A08255BC@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6C626135-011A-490A-B3C2-C4A0A6D9567B@videotron.ca> Update to my last post, Eric. I've confirmed that revCopyFolder will not work with CGIs. It probably has to do with permission to execute AppleScripts. Rather than mess with those, I think it's less risky to use a home-made handler that will drill down through folders and back up the files to a new location. Regards, Gregory On 12-Jan-06, at 12:34 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:01:54 -0500 > From: Gregory Lypny > Subject: Re: revCopyFolder Command > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Thank you, Eric. > > I think I might not use revCopyFolder with CGIs because I > experienced some problems previously when I tried to use > revCopyFile. These may have to do with loading the appropriate > library or calling the AppleScript. I'll have to experiment with > both. By the way, thanks for the handler. > > Regards, > > Gregory > > > On 11-Jan-06, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com > wrote: > >> Yes :-( >> But what would you not use revCopyFolder? >> The following function (by Frederic Rinaldi) might help you: > > From Kapil.JAMKAR at insead.edu Thu Jan 12 08:55:52 2006 From: Kapil.JAMKAR at insead.edu (JAMKAR Kapil) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:55:52 +0100 Subject: copying folder from http server to local machine Message-ID: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D79095CB968@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra> Hi all I am new to revolution and I am trying to write an application that will be copied from an http server. I have a data folder associated with the application. I need to copy this data folder to the client. How can I do that? Can I use revCopyFolder for this purpose? I tried it using put URL but it did not work for me :-( Can anybody help me out? Thanks. Kapil Jamkar From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 12 08:57:54 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:57:54 -0600 Subject: [ANN] New free plugin.. In-Reply-To: <906CC5E2-0D32-498B-912E-67993D810FCA@lexicall.org> References: <906CC5E2-0D32-498B-912E-67993D810FCA@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <43C66062.6020508@chipp.com> Hi Marielle, Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'll leave it in your capable hands;-) Too much to do, too little time. I typically create these tools to suite me as I need 'em. It is a good idea though! -Chipp Marielle Lange wrote: > Thanks for this Chipp. Can I make a suggestion? From europe at ehug.info Thu Jan 12 09:45:49 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:45:49 +0100 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> Message-ID: <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> Do you want the formatted text under the mouse or do you want the line number of that text? I am sure it is possible. Tell me what you need, I'll take up the challenge ;-) Are you using a scrolling field? Mark Mark Swindell wrote: > Is it possible to somehow return "the _formatted_ mouseline" from > within a mousemove handler? > > What I want to accomplish is to have a line of text (soft wrapped) > appear to be underlined whenever the mouse is hovering over it. I'd > just like to have a simple line graphic move to a position just under > the text to accomplish this. > > I've thought of a couple of ways to make it happen, but they seem > unnecessarily convoluted, and it seems there might be a straightforward > way to accomplish it that I'm missing. > > Thanks for any help, > Mark -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From bnz2 at cdc.gov Thu Jan 12 10:00:26 2006 From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:00:26 -0500 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A974467E@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov> Hello, I am the one who sent that script to Timothy... Sarah, if you look in the script for the print button in Task Mage, the script is in there (the print task section). It is very much oriented towards printing a task in Task Mage, and as such is not really written as a general purpose substitution for print field. It does contain the elements for creating such a thing, but it would take a bit of adaptation. Actually, it contains the elements for printing the contents of all the fields on a card, including scrolling fields, at one time. Take care, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Miller Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:19 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine Hi Sarah, Oops. This is my second reply. A few seconds ago, Eudora automatically snipped part of the quoted message, and I overlooked a typo. Here it goes again: ************************** The wise and generous person subscribes to the list. I think I'll hand your question off to him. He might prefer to post his own script. I'll quote the brief description he sent to me. I don't think he'd mind: Begin quote The way it basically works is to copy each field from the card to a printing stack. If a field is larger than a page, then it creates a second card in the printing stack and copies the large field to that card. It then divides up the text between the two fields in the printing stack. It continues this process until enough cards with copies of the large field have been created to hold all of the text without any of it getting lost. End quote If I understand the suggested script, the general approach is to use "Print Card" or "Print Stack" instead of printfield. As far as I can tell, Print Card works fine on my Windows machine, as long as I get the print rect and printmargins right. Printfield seems to work okay in Windows, as long as the printed output is no longer than one page. The printer goes crazy on page two and subsequent pages. I suppose this is a known problem. I can't get to bugzilla at the moment. There are probably other workarounds. For instance, it might be possible to shuttle lines in and out of the field, so it never contains more than one printable page, then use printfield repeatedly, then replace the original text when printing is completed. I don't know -- haven't tried that. Any other ideas? What a pain in the neck! It would be WAY easier to start using my Friendly Macintosh again. I had some other reasons to try my stacks on my Windows machine, but it might not be worth the trouble, and it's probably bad karma. I hope this was a teensy bit helpful. Cheers, Tim > > A wise and generous soul has sent me a private message, including a >> model script necessary to print fields more than one printed page >> long, on a Windows machine. I'd suppose this has been discussed to >> death, so I'll let it rest. > >Hi Tim, > >Could you quote the script here so it is available to us all? I don't >need it at the moment, but as another Mac person, I might run into >this problem at some stage, so I would love to be able to find this in >the archives. > >Thanks, >Sarah _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us Thu Jan 12 11:15:57 2006 From: mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us (Mark Swindell) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:15:57 -0800 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> Message-ID: <0c36bba4cd27233ec6a34824baf37d90@santacruz.k12.ca.us> I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its coordinates relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an underline or somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. This has to be derived from the mouse position relative to the formatted line position as this graphic will move based on where the mouse is. Imagine a younger child reading a book with a strip of guide paper which she slides down the page to help with focus. That's the idea. The mouseline would give the information needed, except that the text wraps, thus the need for the formatted mouse line. Tracking the mouseloc would work, except the user has to be able to click on hypertext in the lines and move the mouse horizontally without it graphic underline following it and wiggling around. Does this make sense? The field becomes scrolling only when its formatted contents exceed its height, which is rarely. Thanks for your interest, Mark On Jan 12, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Do you want the formatted text under the mouse or do you want the line > number of that text? I am sure it is possible. Tell me what you need, > I'll take up the challenge ;-) Are you using a scrolling field? > > Mark > > Mark Swindell wrote: >> Is it possible to somehow return "the _formatted_ mouseline" from >> within a mousemove handler? >> What I want to accomplish is to have a line of text (soft wrapped) >> appear to be underlined whenever the mouse is hovering over it. I'd >> just like to have a simple line graphic move to a position just under >> the text to accomplish this. >> I've thought of a couple of ways to make it happen, but they seem >> unnecessarily convoluted, and it seems there might be a >> straightforward way to accomplish it that I'm missing. >> Thanks for any help, >> Mark > > -- > > eHUG coordinator > mailto:europe at ehug.info > http://www.ehug.info > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch > http://www.economy-x-talk.com > > Please inform me about vacancies in the field of > general economics at your institute. I am also looking > for new freelance programming projects. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mdswindell at charter.net Thu Jan 12 11:16:35 2006 From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:16:35 -0800 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> Message-ID: I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its coordinates relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an underline or somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. This has to be derived from the mouse position relative to the formatted line position as this graphic will move based on where the mouse is. Imagine a younger child reading a book with a strip of guide paper which she slides down the page to help with focus. That's the idea. The mouseline would give the information needed, except that the text wraps, thus the need for the formatted mouse line. Tracking the mouseloc would work, except the user has to be able to click on hypertext in the lines and move the mouse horizontally without it graphic underline following it and wiggling around. Does this make sense? The field becomes scrolling only when its formatted contents exceed its height, which is rarely. Thanks for your interest, Mark On Jan 12, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Do you want the formatted text under the mouse or do you want the line > number of that text? I am sure it is possible. Tell me what you need, > I'll take up the challenge ;-) Are you using a scrolling field? > > Mark > > Mark Swindell wrote: >> Is it possible to somehow return "the _formatted_ mouseline" from >> within a mousemove handler? >> What I want to accomplish is to have a line of text (soft wrapped) >> appear to be underlined whenever the mouse is hovering over it. I'd >> just like to have a simple line graphic move to a position just under >> the text to accomplish this. >> I've thought of a couple of ways to make it happen, but they seem >> unnecessarily convoluted, and it seems there might be a >> straightforward way to accomplish it that I'm missing. >> Thanks for any help, >> Mark > > -- > > eHUG coordinator > mailto:europe at ehug.info > http://www.ehug.info > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch > http://www.economy-x-talk.com > > Please inform me about vacancies in the field of > general economics at your institute. I am also looking > for new freelance programming projects. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From benbock at msn.com Thu Jan 12 12:14:34 2006 From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:14:34 -0800 Subject: Newby question Message-ID: I am struggling to learn Rev for an app used on a dissertation project. I am using the archive search and documentation, just not always finding what I need. I have 2 current questions that are probably easy for you veterans. If you can help me, please spell things out, as I am really green with this work. 1) I have an instructional page on how to do a task, and there are two sample problems. If you get a problem correct and click the correct button, you go to a "That's right" card where you click an "OK" button that returns to the sample card to try the next problem. If you miss it, you go to other cards that explain how to do the problem, and then return to the sample problem page. I would like for a button to appear once both answers have been correctly answered, that then would allow users to move to the "Start Test" page. So it needs to be something like "If button A is true and button B is true, then show me", but I'm not finding examples, and now think that a "switch" command is called for. Suggestions? 2) I need this same quiz to have a time limit of 2 minutes. There are multiple cards, each card has 6 quiz items. When time is up, the quiz is up. At the bottom of each card is a "Go to next Page" button for the user. I found a solution in the archives that is not working for me, here. It is this: a button with: on mouseUp send timerUpdate to field "Timer" in 1 seconds end mouseUp A text field with: on timerUpdate global gStartTime put 60 - (the seconds - gStartTime) into timeRemaining if timeRemaining <= 0 then put 0 into me go to last card else put timeRemaining into me send "timerUpdate" to me in 1 second end if end timerUpdate All I get is about a 2 second delay, and then the text field shows a zero. Thank you for any help, Ben From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Thu Jan 12 12:20:10 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:20:10 +0000 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> Message-ID: <1B01CC5E-AF5E-4006-9C1F-96CA2803DEDE@lacscentre.co.uk> On 12 Jan 2006, at 16:16, Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its > coordinates relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an > underline or somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. This > has to be derived from the mouse position relative to the formatted > line position as this graphic will move based on where the mouse is. Not perfect, but something like this in the field script (graphic 1 is the graphic to be moved): on mouseMove put the mouseChunk into tMC if tMC <> empty then get the formattedRect of tMC set the top of graphic 1 to item 4 of it end if end mouseMove I'm assuming the graphic width would be set to the width of the field. One limitation is that when the mouse moves over empty space at the end of a line, the mouseChunk returns empty. I can't think of a way round that. Cheers Dave From david at openpartnership.net Thu Jan 12 12:24:48 2006 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:24:48 +0100 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <1B01CC5E-AF5E-4006-9C1F-96CA2803DEDE@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> <1B01CC5E-AF5E-4006-9C1F-96CA2803DEDE@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <5029B041-D033-4AF9-AF4C-9BE336330FE5@openpartnership.net> On 12 Jan 2006, at 18:20, Dave Cragg wrote: > > On 12 Jan 2006, at 16:16, Mark Swindell wrote: > > >> I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its >> coordinates relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an >> underline or somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. >> This has to be derived from the mouse position relative to the >> formatted line position as this graphic will move based on where >> the mouse is. >> > > Not perfect, but something like this in the field script (graphic 1 > is the graphic to be moved): > > on mouseMove > put the mouseChunk into tMC > if tMC <> empty then > get the formattedRect of tMC > set the top of graphic 1 to item 4 of it > end if > end mouseMove > > I'm assuming the graphic width would be set to the width of the field. > > One limitation is that when the mouse moves over empty space at the > end of a line, the mouseChunk returns empty. I can't think of a way > round that. Perhaps with something like the following? Seem to remember it worked out :) 1) Use the mouseline to get the line number you need 2) Lock the screen 3) Select the text of the field after the end of the line number 4) Use the selectedLoc to figure out the position of the bottom of the wrapped line 5) You can use a similar technique for the top or work it out using the textHeight and line number calculations. From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Jan 11 23:47:42 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:47:42 -0600 Subject: Revolution Compatible with Debian Type Linux? In-Reply-To: <1137038706.10489.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 1/11/06 10:05 PM, "Dennis F. Desmarais" wrote: > Hi All: > > A real newbie here. > > I have moved away from Windows XP for a lot of my work to Ubuntu Linux > distribution, which is a variant of Debian Linux. > > Any sense whether the Revolution development package will install > properly on Debian Linux? In any case, it sounds like I need to hang on > to my Windows installation to test the behavior of Revolution's code > under Windows... I've installed Rev on Kubuntu (the KDE version of Ubuntu), and it works just fine. In fact, I developed the Linux version of StackRunner using both aLinux and Kubuntu. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From europe at ehug.info Thu Jan 12 14:05:06 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:05:06 +0100 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <0c36bba4cd27233ec6a34824baf37d90@santacruz.k12.ca.us> References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> <0c36bba4cd27233ec6a34824baf37d90@santacruz.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <43C6A862.3020409@ehug.info> Mark, I uploaded a demo to RevOnline. User name Mark, category General. The name of the stack is Reading Guide Strip. Best, Mark Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its coordinates > relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an underline or > somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. This has to be derived > from the mouse position relative to the formatted line position as this > graphic will move based on where the mouse is. > > Imagine a younger child reading a book with a strip of guide paper which > she slides down the page to help with focus. That's the idea. > > The mouseline would give the information needed, except that the text > wraps, thus the need for the formatted mouse line. Tracking the > mouseloc would work, except the user has to be able to click on > hypertext in the lines and move the mouse horizontally without it > graphic underline following it and wiggling around. Does this make sense? > > The field becomes scrolling only when its formatted contents exceed its > height, which is rarely. > > Thanks for your interest, > Mark -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 14:13:07 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:13:07 +0100 Subject: OT: Windows Media Component for QuickTime OS X now for free! Message-ID: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> Hi OS X users, a little off topic, but worth a note :-) Get it here: http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm and play WMV/ASF/ASV etc... files directly in Quicktime Player or Safari! Best from germany Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Thu Jan 12 14:28:41 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:28:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Windows Media Component for QuickTime OS X now for free! In-Reply-To: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> Message-ID: <7FF5FD43-5183-4B89-AF49-7756AB4D603C@adelphia.net> Klaus, Actually that's great. I can now play the wmv's. Media player always crashed on my system. Thanks Tom On Jan 12, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi OS X users, > > a little off topic, but worth a note :-) > > Get it here: > http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm > > and play WMV/ASF/ASV etc... files directly in Quicktime Player or > Safari! > > > Best from germany > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Thu Jan 12 14:41:24 2006 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:41:24 +0000 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> Message-ID: Hello folks, I left the organisation that licensed Rev 2.x for me, so I went back to developing on my copy 1.1.1. It wasn't as tough as you might think. I find myself to be a very understanding boss ;-) Anyway, I included in my 'new' 1.1.1 stack a button that will take a snapshot of part of the current card. Works fine on stack and standalone. Then along comes the MacFormat CD with 2.2.1 on it. Yippee! So I tried my 1.1.1 stack in 2.2.1 and the import snapshot script crashes the IDE and an OS X standalone built containing it. This is the script almost in its entirety: get "Circres(charts("& "CChrt_" & the system date &"_"& the long time & ".png" replace "/" with "-" in it replace ":" with "." in it replace "(" with "/" in it put it into tname put the backgroundcolor of this card into tbcolour set the backgroundcolor of this card to white get the windowid of this stack put the rect of grc "clipframe" into tbox import snapshot from rect tbox of window it select image 1 of this card export png to file tname delete the selectedobject set the backgroundcolor of this card to tbcolour send mouseup to button "show rest" show field "export done" wait 60 ticks hide field "export done" Using the debugger, everything seems OK 'til it hits the import snapshot from rect tbox of window it line, and then foom! I have checked the archives, and can see some old (2001) posts, but no workarounds or fixes. (using 2.2.1 on OS 10.3.9, 1 gig RAM) Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk From soapdog at mac.com Thu Jan 12 14:46:09 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:46:09 -0200 Subject: OT: Windows Media Component for QuickTime OS X now for free! In-Reply-To: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> Message-ID: <0AEA5C86-3413-422F-8A6F-4121C41F9FC3@mac.com> Again OT, but if you try to download Windows Media Player for Macintosh from Microsoft it actualy redirects you to flip4mac, so, all in all, Windows Media Player for Mac is now dead. Andre On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi OS X users, > > a little off topic, but worth a note :-) > > Get it here: > http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm > > and play WMV/ASF/ASV etc... files directly in Quicktime Player or > Safari! > > > Best from germany > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 14:57:47 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:57:47 +0100 Subject: OT: Windows Media Component for QuickTime OS X now for free! In-Reply-To: <0AEA5C86-3413-422F-8A6F-4121C41F9FC3@mac.com> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <0AEA5C86-3413-422F-8A6F-4121C41F9FC3@mac.com> Message-ID: <6B8B9B88-0142-44E4-870E-4D923A4A0D10@major-k.de> Hi Andre, > Again OT, but if you try to download Windows Media Player for > Macintosh from Microsoft it actualy redirects you to flip4mac, so, > all in all, Windows Media Player for Mac is now dead. Really? I still can download (if i wanted to ;-) WMP Mac here: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/ mac/download/misc/winmp_osx.xml&secid=80&ssid=8&flgnosysreq=False > Andre Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From soapdog at mac.com Thu Jan 12 15:05:35 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:05:35 -0200 Subject: OT: Windows Media Component for QuickTime OS X now for free! In-Reply-To: <6B8B9B88-0142-44E4-870E-4D923A4A0D10@major-k.de> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <0AEA5C86-3413-422F-8A6F-4121C41F9FC3@mac.com> <6B8B9B88-0142-44E4-870E-4D923A4A0D10@major-k.de> Message-ID: <9FA4A333-E5D8-497C-8318-319BA0E1A2CD@mac.com> Oops, Page changed since yesterday... check this microsoft URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/mac.aspx Cheers andre On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Andre, > >> Again OT, but if you try to download Windows Media Player for >> Macintosh from Microsoft it actualy redirects you to flip4mac, so, >> all in all, Windows Media Player for Mac is now dead. > > Really? I still can download (if i wanted to ;-) WMP Mac here: > > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/ > mac/download/misc/winmp_osx.xml&secid=80&ssid=8&flgnosysreq=False > >> Andre > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From SupermanSlyr at aol.com Thu Jan 12 15:07:40 2006 From: SupermanSlyr at aol.com (SupermanSlyr at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:07:40 EST Subject: Bible Searching Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/2006 1:47:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes: Hello again everyone! I come to you today in reference to a project I've been working on lately. I'm trying to make a bible studying program. I have the books of the bible in TXT files in a folder (Just managing that was a task...). I wanted to add the ability to look up verses individually, but the way the bible text is set up in those TXT files I'm having trouble figuring out how to accomplish that. Here is an example of the way the books are formatted consistently in TXT files (According by book): Genesis 1:1-31 1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God?s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. 3 And God proceeded to say: ?Let light come to be.? Then there came to be light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. 5 And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day. As you can see it's not set up in the usual sense. The "Book Name" is written at the top along with the current chapter, as well as how many verses are contained in that chapter. Then from that point onward each verse is listed starting with its corresponding number until the chapter changes, at which point the next book or chapter will be listed at the top with the verses just as in this example, and the process starts over. So what I can't figure out is how to tell Revolution when a said verse starts and when it ends. Like if someone looks up John 3:16 (By typing it in) I can't figure out how to tell Revolution where John 3:16 is since it's all contained in separate text files and the way its written. I can display the books in a field, but it's just giant blocks of text in some cases (Some books are obviously larger than others). I want it to be more useful. I'm completely stumped on this one. My first thought was to go back and put some kind of item delimiter at the start and ending of each verse, but wow would that take an amazing amount of time! Is there any other options? Also when searching for a particular subject, how would I highlight the results in the field? Thanks again everyone! http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 15:23:17 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:23:17 +0100 Subject: OT: Windows Media Component for QuickTime OS X now for free! In-Reply-To: <9FA4A333-E5D8-497C-8318-319BA0E1A2CD@mac.com> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <0AEA5C86-3413-422F-8A6F-4121C41F9FC3@mac.com> <6B8B9B88-0142-44E4-870E-4D923A4A0D10@major-k.de> <9FA4A333-E5D8-497C-8318-319BA0E1A2CD@mac.com> Message-ID: <431EFBA4-B997-4887-B002-6654236DCC60@major-k.de> Hi Andre, > Oops, > > Page changed since yesterday... check this microsoft URL: > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/mac.aspx "mp10" sounds like Windows Media Player 10 which never existed for the Mac! ;-) I was referring to WMP 9, which is still available. > Cheers > andre Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 15:25:10 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:25:10 +0000 Subject: stopping Handlers Message-ID: Hi all I have this script in a button which calls three handlers the if statement checks the fld for the card number was filled in if it was not I want to stop calling the fsave and the fTotalSeats Handlers on mouseUp if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit fSave TotalSeats end mouseUp Thank's Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From mark at maseurope.net Thu Jan 12 15:41:35 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:41:35 +0000 Subject: Newby question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well for question 2... if you start the test with a button, the add to that buttons script: startTimer and then in the stack script: on startTimer send "timesUp" to me in 120 seconds end startTimer on timesUp beep go last cd -- or whatver action needs to be taken end timesUp Mark On 12 Jan 2006, at 17:14, Ben Bock wrote: > I am struggling to learn Rev for an app used on a dissertation > project. I am using the archive search and documentation, just not > always finding what I need. I have 2 current questions that are > probably easy for you veterans. If you can help me, please spell > things out, as I am really green with this work. > > 1) I have an instructional page on how to do a task, and there are > two sample problems. If you get a problem correct and click the > correct button, you go to a "That's right" card where you click an > "OK" button that returns to the sample card to try the next > problem. If you miss it, you go to other cards that explain how to > do the problem, and then return to the sample problem page. > > I would like for a button to appear once both answers have been > correctly answered, that then would allow users to move to the > "Start Test" page. So it needs to be something like > > "If button A is true and button B is true, then show me", but I'm > not finding examples, and now think that a "switch" command is > called for. Suggestions? > > > 2) I need this same quiz to have a time limit of 2 minutes. There > are multiple cards, each card has 6 quiz items. When time is up, > the quiz is up. At the bottom of each card is a "Go to next Page" > button for the user. I found a solution in the archives that is > not working for me, here revolution/2004-November/046953.html>. It is this: > > a button with: > > on mouseUp > > send timerUpdate to field "Timer" in 1 seconds > > end mouseUp > > > > > A text field with: > > on timerUpdate > global gStartTime > put 60 - (the seconds - gStartTime) into timeRemaining > if timeRemaining <= 0 then > put 0 into me > go to last card > else > put timeRemaining into me > send "timerUpdate" to me in 1 second > end if > end timerUpdate > > > All I get is about a 2 second delay, and then the text field shows > a zero. > > > > Thank you for any help, > > Ben > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 15:46:31 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:46:31 +0100 Subject: stopping Handlers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Liam, > Hi all > I have this script in a button which calls three handlers > the if statement checks the fld for the card number was filled in > if it was not I want to stop calling the fsave and the fTotalSeats > Handlers > on mouseUp > if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit > fSave > TotalSeats > end mouseUp you mean "fcredit" check if the number was entered and you only want to proceed if that is the case? In that case i would make "fcredit" a function and check that. on mouseUp if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then if fcredit() = true then fSave TotalSeats end if end if end mouseUp I hope i get you right...? > Thank's > Liam Lambert > liamlambert at mac.com > IRELAND Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From mark at maseurope.net Thu Jan 12 15:51:02 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:51:02 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display Message-ID: I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. Stack: AudioWaveform User: Mark Smith Mark From klaus at major-k.de Thu Jan 12 15:59:22 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:59:22 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> Hi Mark, > I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio > waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. > > Stack: AudioWaveform > User: Mark Smith very, very cool! But where did you define: chooseFile() I get an error: Error in function handler -> choosefile() > Mark Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From jerry at hytext.com Thu Jan 12 16:01:15 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:01:15 -0600 Subject: stopping Handlers References: Message-ID: <000d01c617bb$5a1497a0$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> From: "liamlambert" > Hi all > I have this script in a button which calls three handlers > the if statement checks the fld for the card number was filled in > if it was not I want to stop calling the fsave and the fTotalSeats > Handlers > on mouseUp > if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit > fSave > TotalSeats > end mouseUp > Thank's How about : on mouseUp if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit fSave TotalSeats end if end mouseUp ------ Jerry Muelver From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Jan 12 16:05:24 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:05:24 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> References: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> Message-ID: <6125E66D-9AD1-4AC1-A7E2-3A145B4A75BE@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Klaus, Replace chooseFile() by a well known answer file and it will work... Very fine. Bravo Mark. Do you think to be able to add a play function with a "cursor" moving along the wave form? Should be great! Le 12 janv. 06 ? 21:59, Klaus Major a ?crit : >> I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio >> waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. >> >> Stack: AudioWaveform >> User: Mark Smith > > very, very cool! > > But where did you define: chooseFile() > I get an error: Error in function handler -> choosefile() Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 16:08:25 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:08:25 +0000 Subject: stopping Handlers Message-ID: <141C59AA-6234-4144-A062-742ED3FC43A5@mac.com> Hi all on mouseUp if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit ------fcredit the card number was filled in fSave TotalSeats end mouseUp on fCredit if fld "credit" = "" then answer "NO CREDIT CARD NUMBER" ---- if it answers then I want it to stop end fCredit Thank's Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From mark at maseurope.net Thu Jan 12 16:09:21 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:09:21 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> References: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> Message-ID: Damn! I knew I had to change that (it's in my own little library of stuff). Will re-upload. Glad you like it! Mark On 12 Jan 2006, at 20:59, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Mark, > >> I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio >> waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. >> >> Stack: AudioWaveform >> User: Mark Smith > > very, very cool! > > But where did you define: chooseFile() > I get an error: Error in function handler -> choosefile() > >> Mark > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 16:09:56 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:09:56 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display Message-ID: Well done Mark This will get a lot of us thinking. Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 16:12:53 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:12:53 +1000 Subject: stopping Handlers In-Reply-To: <141C59AA-6234-4144-A062-742ED3FC43A5@mac.com> References: <141C59AA-6234-4144-A062-742ED3FC43A5@mac.com> Message-ID: > on mouseUp > if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit ------fcredit > the card number was filled in > fSave > TotalSeats > end mouseUp > > > on fCredit > if fld "credit" = "" then answer "NO CREDIT CARD NUMBER" ---- if > it answers then I want it to stop > end fCredit > Try this: on fCredit if fld "credit" = "" then answer "NO CREDIT CARD NUMBER" exit to top end if end fCredit Cheers, Sarah From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Jan 12 16:14:34 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:14:34 +0100 Subject: stopping Handlers In-Reply-To: <141C59AA-6234-4144-A062-742ED3FC43A5@mac.com> References: <141C59AA-6234-4144-A062-742ED3FC43A5@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Liam, on fCredit if fld "credit" = empty then answer "No credit card number." EXIT TO TOP end fCredit Thinking of ergonomics, you might prefer to come back to a previous screen modified to allow the user to correct his error instead :-) on fCredit if fld "credit" = empty then go back -- you get the idea EXIT TO TOP end fCredit Le 12 janv. 06 ? 22:08, liamlambert a ?crit : > on mouseUp > if fld "paymenttype" = "credit card" then fcredit ------fcredit > the card number was filled in > fSave > TotalSeats > end mouseUp > > > on fCredit > if fld "credit" = "" then answer "NO CREDIT CARD NUMBER" ---- if > it answers then I want it to stop > end fCredit Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 16:16:57 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:16:57 +1000 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> Message-ID: > Then along comes the MacFormat CD with 2.2.1 on it. Yippee! So I > tried my 1.1.1 stack in 2.2.1 and the import snapshot script crashes > the IDE and an OS X standalone built containing it. This is the script > almost in its entirety: > > get "Circres(charts("& "CChrt_" & the system date &"_"& the long time > & ".png" > replace "/" with "-" in it > replace ":" with "." in it > replace "(" with "/" in it > put it into tname > put the backgroundcolor of this card into tbcolour > set the backgroundcolor of this card to white > get the windowid of this stack > put the rect of grc "clipframe" into tbox > import snapshot from rect tbox of window it > select image 1 of this card > export png to file tname > delete the selectedobject > set the backgroundcolor of this card to tbcolour > send mouseup to button "show rest" > show field "export done" > wait 60 ticks > hide field "export done" > > Using the debugger, everything seems OK 'til it hits the import > snapshot from rect tbox of window it > line, and then foom! I have checked the archives, and can see some old > (2001) posts, but no workarounds or fixes. > > (using 2.2.1 on OS 10.3.9, 1 gig RAM) Hi David, There was a problem with early version 2 releases where importing from a window ID crashed the app. My workaround (until 2.5 fixed it) was for my snapshot script to position the window I wanted to snapshot in a set place on the screen, make sure it was at the front and then take a snapshot of the area I wanted using global coordinates. A bit clunky but it works. Cheers, Sarah From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 16:20:23 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:20:23 +0000 Subject: stopping Handlers Message-ID: <75161E84-6030-406B-A86B-BD2FAE80C743@mac.com> Thank you all Have it working coming back to screen Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com Thu Jan 12 16:24:31 2006 From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:24:31 -0800 Subject: Printing problem on Windows machine In-Reply-To: <274B2076-0FAB-41C3-B1A6-9DEBABC0C710@hindu.org> References: <274B2076-0FAB-41C3-B1A6-9DEBABC0C710@hindu.org> Message-ID: Hi Swami, I noticed no one replied directly to you. I'd guess that revPrintText has the same underlying problem as revPrintField. Does revPrintText work right if the printed output is one page or less? If so, that's a clue. The other messages on this thread have probably given you some ideas about how to proceed. Cheers, Tim >Ditto that...please quote the script here. > >Just because there some super sages on this list doesn't mean that >"trivial" stuff need not be exposed. It may be just the thing >someone needs. > >My users have printing problems on windows, I use the standard code > >on printTranscript > put the cHeader of me into tPrintTranscript > replace "|" with ": " in tPrintTranscript > replace "\" with "" in tPrintTranscript > put cr & cr after tPrintTranscript > put fld "Transcript" after tPrintTranscript > revShowPrintdialog, true,true > revPrintText tPrintTranscript >end printTranscript > > >Simple, right? poke a variable with some text and print it. Well, it >works on the Mac but delivers garbage on Windows...I haven't had >time to solve this but I really need to. > >And if this is useful maybe Dan can add it to his printing Smart Book. > >Sivakatirswami > > > >On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >>Hi Tim, >> >>Could you quote the script here so it is available to us all? I don't >>need it at the moment, but as another Mac person, I might run into >>this problem at some stage, so I would love to be able to find this in >>the archives. >> >>Thanks, >>Sarah > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 16:27:21 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:27:21 +1000 Subject: Bible Searching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hello again everyone! I come to you today in reference to a project I've > been working on lately. I'm trying to make a bible studying program. I have the > books of the bible in TXT files in a folder (Just managing that was a > task...). I wanted to add the ability to look up verses individually, but the way > the bible text is set up in those TXT files I'm having trouble figuring out > how to accomplish that. Here is an example of the way the books are formatted > consistently in TXT files (According by book): > > Genesis 1:1-31 > > 1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. > > 2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon > the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and > fro over the surface of the waters. I guess it all depends on how the text files are set up and changing them to make it easier to search may be the quickest way in the long run. I would arrange it so that each book had it's own text file, so you would have "Genesis.txt", "John.txt" etc. When a search is done, you can load the correct text file quickly and store it's text in a variable. Then you can get use lineOffset to find the start of the chapter: put lineOffset(bookName && chapterNum & ":", tBookText) into tStartLine This gives you the starting point for the verse number search: put lineOffset(cr & verseNum & space, tBookText, tStartLine) into tVerseLine put tVerseLine + tStartLine into tVerseStartLineNumber Then you want to find where that verse ends. You could do another lineOffset looking for the next verse number, and go to the end of the chapter if the next verse number can't be found, or you could step through the lines looking for the next blank line and stopping there. You may find that it is better to give people a stuctured way to enter the search data rather than allowing free typing. Have a menu system for selecting a book name, then a field with little arrows for choosing chapter numbers and verse numbers. If you have already worked out how many chapters each book has and how many verses each chapter has, you can restrict the search data entry to numbers that are really available. Hopefully this has given you enough ideas to get started. Cheers, Sarah From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Jan 12 16:28:17 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:28:17 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Mark Smith wrote: > I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio > waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. Excellent! Am looking forward to working with this. Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Jan 12 16:29:21 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:29:21 +0100 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> Message-ID: <07CA59AD-A056-422C-8206-A2B7AAF066FD@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi David, Sarah replied about the bug in Rev prior to 2.5. The workaround I used at this time was to specify a globalRect without specifying the window ID: local tRect,tTopLeft,tBotRight, tGlobalRect ----- put the rect of stack into tRect put item 1 of tRect,item 2 of tRect into tTopLeft put item 3 of tRect,item 4 of tRect into tBotRight put globalLoc(tTopLeft),globalLoc(tBotRight) into tGlobalRect import snapshot from rect tGlobalRect Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 12 janv. 06 ? 20:41, David Glasgow a ?crit : > I left the organisation that licensed Rev 2.x for me, so I went > back to developing on my copy 1.1.1. > > It wasn't as tough as you might think. I find myself to be a very > understanding boss ;-) > > Anyway, I included in my 'new' 1.1.1 stack a button that will take > a snapshot of part of the current card. Works fine on stack and > standalone. > > Then along comes the MacFormat CD with 2.2.1 on it. Yippee! So I > tried my 1.1.1 stack in 2.2.1 and the import snapshot script > crashes the IDE and an OS X standalone built containing it. This > is the script almost in its entirety: > > get "Circres(charts("& "CChrt_" & the system date &"_"& the long > time & ".png" > replace "/" with "-" in it > replace ":" with "." in it > replace "(" with "/" in it > put it into tname > put the backgroundcolor of this card into tbcolour > set the backgroundcolor of this card to white > get the windowid of this stack > put the rect of grc "clipframe" into tbox > import snapshot from rect tbox of window it > select image 1 of this card > export png to file tname > delete the selectedobject > set the backgroundcolor of this card to tbcolour > send mouseup to button "show rest" > show field "export done" > wait 60 ticks > hide field "export done" > > Using the debugger, everything seems OK 'til it hits the import > snapshot from rect tbox of window it > line, and then foom! I have checked the archives, and can see some > old (2001) posts, but no workarounds or fixes. > > (using 2.2.1 on OS 10.3.9, 1 gig RAM) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com Thu Jan 12 17:08:25 2006 From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:08:25 -0800 Subject: importing graphic objects? Message-ID: Hi, Is it possible to make a graphic object with, say, Illustrator, save it, and import it into RR? Will RR make necessary conversions? For example, change a Bezier into something RR can digest? If so, once imported, can I manipulate the graphic with RR's usual commands for manipulating graphic objects? The onboard documentation seems sparse on this topic. Where can I learn more? Speaking of documentation, I keep meaning to ask -- At many points in the onboard documentation, I read things such as this: To see a list of messages that can be sent to an audio clip as a result of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the "Transcript Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation window, and choose "Audio Clip Messages" from the Show menu at the top. To see a list of all the properties an audio clip can have, choose "Audio Clip Properties" from the Show menu. Every time I try to follow those instructions, I fail and give up. Is this orphan documentation? If not, where the heck is the stuff they are talking about? Cheers, Tim From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Jan 12 17:18:27 2006 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:18:27 -0700 Subject: Bible Searching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FC50FE4-1E60-483B-B78E-BDA45B4C7D19@byu.edu> Having done similar things (though not on this scale) in Rev I can second Sarah's suggestions. In your sample text I noticed that were several verses in a single paragraph. If that arrangement is not important, I would recommend you put each verse on a single logical line (i.e., each verse delimited by a return. That will ease your task considerably. Then, once you found the desired chapter you could be confident that each verse was on its own line. So line 4 would contain verse 4, line 7 verse 7, and so on. Devin On Jan 12, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> Hello again everyone! I come to you today in reference to a >> project I've >> been working on lately. I'm trying to make a bible studying >> program. I have the >> books of the bible in TXT files in a folder (Just managing that was a >> task...). I wanted to add the ability to look up verses >> individually, but the way >> the bible text is set up in those TXT files I'm having trouble >> figuring out >> how to accomplish that. Here is an example of the way the books >> are formatted >> consistently in TXT files (According by book): >> >> Genesis 1:1-31 >> >> 1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. >> >> 2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was >> darkness upon >> the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's active force was >> moving to and >> fro over the surface of the waters. > > I guess it all depends on how the text files are set up and changing > them to make it easier to search may be the quickest way in the long > run. I would arrange it so that each book had it's own text file, so > you would have "Genesis.txt", "John.txt" etc. > > When a search is done, you can load the correct text file quickly and > store it's text in a variable. Then you can get use lineOffset to find > the start of the chapter: > > put lineOffset(bookName && chapterNum & ":", tBookText) into > tStartLine > > This gives you the starting point for the verse number search: > > put lineOffset(cr & verseNum & space, tBookText, tStartLine) into > tVerseLine > put tVerseLine + tStartLine into tVerseStartLineNumber > > Then you want to find where that verse ends. You could do another > lineOffset looking for the next verse number, and go to the end of the > chapter if the next verse number can't be found, or you could step > through the lines looking for the next blank line and stopping there. > > You may find that it is better to give people a stuctured way to enter > the search data rather than allowing free typing. Have a menu system > for selecting a book name, then a field with little arrows for > choosing chapter numbers and verse numbers. If you have already worked > out how many chapters each book has and how many verses each chapter > has, you can restrict the search data entry to numbers that are really > available. > > Hopefully this has given you enough ideas to get started. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From Camm29 at tesco.net Thu Jan 12 17:19:22 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:19:22 -0000 Subject: Serial communication References: <20060110104840.EE7AA8253AA@mail.runrev.com> <3062CE08-23B0-4472-8F50-18A33652CDE9@dvkconsult.com.au> Message-ID: <000201c617c6$d82366c0$0a01a8c0@mobile1> David thanks , that's seems to do the trick. Any ideas how to break out of repeat loops in say 10 seconds as a timeout ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Vaughan" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Serial communication > > On 10/01/2006, at 21:48, Camm29" wrote: > > > > I have some custom made Hardware that i communicate to in Serial. > > > > This Hardware returns the Character ">" when ready and able to Receive > > and/or finished replying. > > > > so before any write to file "COM:1" or read from file "COM:1" (I > > must have > > received the Char ">") > > > > i have tried many combinations in trying to get this to work !!!!!! > > > > somehow if i loop like below i still manage to send before ">" is > > received > > it would seem which causes errors ??? > > > > repeat 100 > > write ------- > > wait for ">" > > read ------- > > end > if you must wait for ">" before "any write or ... read" then firstly > your code needs another wait statement. The above code will write > after reading and without waiting for a ready character, which is the > problem you report. > > The following will work _provided_ you are happy that you will always > receive the requisite characters )and that the device is ready the > first time) or else it will wait forever. > repeat N > write something > wait for ">" > read something > wait for ">" > end repeat > > In the basic form of the loop above you will need an outside "send" > statement to make sure things are still alive and get you out of > problems, which would require a construct along the lines of 'wait > for ">" with messages' > > This might be done better with "wait for messages" then test whether > the message was one which allows you to read/write or if you must > exit the loop. > > HTH > David > > > > It's a mystery or i lost the plot. > > Nothing wrong with comm settings or hardware for sure. > > > > Regards Camm > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From SupermanSlyr at aol.com Thu Jan 12 17:24:51 2006 From: SupermanSlyr at aol.com (SupermanSlyr at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:24:51 EST Subject: Bible Searching Message-ID: <287.3d77352.30f83133@aol.com> > I guess it all depends on how the text files are set up and changing > them to make it easier to search may be the quickest way in the long > run. I would arrange it so that each book had it's own text file, so > you would have "Genesis.txt", "John.txt" etc. Yes every book is already separated in its own text file. I have thought about searching for numbers to tell Revolution it's the start of a verse. The problem with that though is there's a lot of verses that have numbers in them, so if I tell Revolution to search for numbers there's a good chance it will end up in the middle of a verse some where. > You may find that it is better to give people a stuctured way to enter > the search data rather than allowing free typing. Have a menu system > for selecting a book name, then a field with little arrows for > choosing chapter numbers and verse numbers. If you have already worked > out how many chapters each book has and how many verses each chapter > has, you can restrict the search data entry to numbers that are really > available. I've thought about a menu system too. I've actually incorporated one to import the books from a folder into a text field. I'd like to make this work for finding verses too, but I still don't see how it will know where to go in the field, since every book is contained in it's own text file in the format I discussed. From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 17:45:48 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:45:48 -0800 Subject: Bible Searching In-Reply-To: <287.3d77352.30f83133@aol.com> Message-ID: On 1/12/06 2:24 PM, "SupermanSlyr at aol.com" wrote: > I have thought > about searching for numbers to tell Revolution it's the start of a verse. The > problem with that though is there's a lot of verses that have numbers in > them, > so if I tell Revolution to search for numbers there's a good chance it will > end up in the middle of a verse some where. If you are merely trying to retrieve the verse for a display routine, then you can add markers or tags as we call them in HTML, then do put 3 into numToGet put offset("<"&numToGet&">", textBlock) into position1 put offset("<"&numToGet+1&">", textBlock) into position2 put char position1 to position2-1 of textBlock into verse replace "<" with "" in verse replace ">" with "" in verse and now verse will look presentable. Should get you close. Jim Ault Las Vegas ---------- from your original post -------------------- <1>In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. <2>Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God?s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. <3> And God proceeded to say: ?Let light come to be.? Then there came to be light.<4> After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. <5> And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.<6> From SupermanSlyr at aol.com Thu Jan 12 18:24:19 2006 From: SupermanSlyr at aol.com (SupermanSlyr at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:24:19 EST Subject: Bible Searching Message-ID: <29f.39aae70.30f83f23@aol.com> O my God you guys are geniuses. I forgot completely about containing each verse on it's own line. Wow will this help me in the long run! I didn't think of this at first because I was thinking to hard about the way it looked in the field, but once the relevant search is located it should rap fine once it's placed in the appropriate field. Damn this is going to solve like 4 of my problems, thank you all very much! It's amazing the level of support Revolution has. One last question though. To search through a file does it have to be loaded first, or can I search for the verse from its text file, and then put the result in the field, or should I just load it into a variable? From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Jan 12 18:37:37 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:37:37 -0800 Subject: importing graphic objects? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Timothy Miller wrote: > Is it possible to make a graphic object with, say, Illustrator, save > it, and import it into RR? Will RR make necessary conversions? > For example, change a Bezier into something RR can digest? Alejandro Tejada has built some tools for importing Illustrator vectors into Rev. As I recall, you must use a version 7 or 8 generated EPS file and special effects/fills (?) are not supported, though this may have changed recently. Some links: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/mcEpsImportV03p.zip http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Eps_Import_V04.zip > If so, once imported, can I manipulate the graphic with RR's usual > commands for manipulating graphic objects? If the importing works, you will wind up with a polygon graphic composed of a number of points, which can be manipulated with Rev tools. In my experience, simpler objects work better. And you should remember that Rev currently does not support graphic antialiasing or sub-pixel point positioning, so the results you get will differ a bit from the native Illustrator file. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 12 19:12:22 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:12:22 +1100 Subject: Qif Files Message-ID: <001a01c617d6$0b7fc180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi, As I don't have (my bank doesn't support it) a sample Qif file (Quicken format) I was wondering if anybody had done Qif a conversion in Rev? Scott From aminda at ku.edu Thu Jan 12 19:12:18 2006 From: aminda at ku.edu (Aminda O'Hare) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:12:18 -0600 Subject: adding to a stack Message-ID: <2635CEAE-CC2F-4C3E-A03E-F09C6447C161@ku.edu> I am having trouble modifying a stack that I did not develop. It is a simple questionnaire program that asks a variety of questions and records the answers. The program uploads the questions from a .txt file. I need to add more questions to the stack. To do this I need to copy some of the previous cards, such as the instructions card, so that they can be modified for the new surveys. I also need to copy the question cards so that I can modify the number of response options for the new questions. Also, I've tried starting from scratch with new cards for the new surveys, however, the program adds them where I don't want them, and I can't figure out how to move them. For instance, a new card will be added as card #8, but I want it to be card #3. I realize that these must be simple things to accomplish, but it is my first time using Revolution. The questionnaire stack was originally imported from Hypercard if that makes any difference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jan 12 19:20:52 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:52 -0800 Subject: Qif Files In-Reply-To: <001a01c617d6$0b7fc180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <001a01c617d6$0b7fc180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C6F264.6050206@fourthworld.com> Scott Kane wrote: > Hi, > > As I don't have (my bank doesn't support it) a > sample Qif file (Quicken format) I was wondering > if anybody had done Qif a conversion in Rev? I haven't seen one, but it shouldn't be too hard to write one -- the spec with an example is available: -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 19:36:31 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:31 -0800 Subject: Dates/Calendar Message-ID: <43C6F60F.6010601@comcast.net> Hey everyone, I'm reviving an calendar stack that I wrote years ago in Hypercard using WindowScript. I've got it working pretty well, but had a quick question - it appears that Windows XP is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1970 and that OSX is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1935. Does that sound correct? Thanks, Marty Knapp From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 12 19:49:40 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:49:40 +1100 Subject: Qif Files In-Reply-To: <43C6F264.6050206@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <000001c617db$413c8600$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Richard, > I haven't seen one, but it shouldn't be too hard to write one -- the > spec with an example is available: I didn't think of checking the Quicken site. I figured they wouldn't make it public. Thanks for the link I think I can work it out from there. :-) Scott From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 12 19:50:08 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:50:08 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? Message-ID: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> I've been thinking a lot about this lately-- and I'm leaning on the side of creating next versions of my apps as mostly portable from now on. Portable apps have the distinguishing feature they are entirely self-contained in a single folder and can even be stored on USB drives if the user wishes. They are easy to install and delete and move, as well as maintain. For more info on portable apps check out: http://portableapps.com/ Here's my problems with the current system: Windows Different user management schemes have one store prefs/data/substacks/externals/plugins and documents in different areas. For instance upon installation, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PREFS (ADMIN), you can 1) install executable and externals in: C:\Program Files\MyApp.exe 2) keep preferences, plugins, etc.. in: C:\Documents and Settings\USER\Application Data\MyApp\myPrefs.txt (not to mention the registry) 3) Keep documents in: C:\Documents and Settings\Chipp\My Documents\MyApp\myDoc.myd and God help you if you want to update something in the Program Files directory and you don't have permissions! So, updatable applications have more trouble, not to mention the problems with uninstalling with all of the various folders and content strewn about and customer support. The Mac is not too different as they have similar Applications folder, User/Library/Prefs folder and a Documents folder. Current installers can place these apps anywhere (including the Programs folder) and it appears more and more companies are opting for this type of installation. BTW, I do have the licensing figured out so that they aren't 'giveaways', so that's not an issue. Any thoughts about this before I take the leap? best, Chipp From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Jan 12 19:52:30 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:52:30 -0800 Subject: Message From Marielle Message-ID: [from Marielle Lang who is unable to post at the moment] Dear Rev users, Lexicall.org is down. If you try to connect you will get to see a "this account is suspended" on the screen. The reason for this is that my provider discovered an important increase of load on their server, tracked it down to my server and decided to suspend my account without any warning or email sent to me. This may take a few days to fix... I will almost certainly change of provider. Apologizes for any inconvenience. Cheers, Marielle From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 12 19:52:21 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:52:21 +1100 Subject: Bouncing Mails In-Reply-To: <000001c617db$413c8600$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <000101c617db$a24a1ac0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi, The owner of the email address aijaz at enoor.com on this list is bouncing emails via a spam filter. Could the owner either turn this off or otherwise fix it? It's annoying to post a message and be asked to confirm that it is not SPAM. Scott From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 12 19:56:45 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:56:45 +1100 Subject: Message From Marielle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c617dc$3e1befa0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > Lexicall.org is down. If you try to connect you will get to > see a "this account is suspended" on the screen. The reason > for this is that my provider discovered an important increase > of load on their server, tracked it down to my server and > decided to suspend my account without any warning or email > sent to me. This may take a few days to fix... I will almost > certainly change of provider. If Marielle is looking for a good host I certainly recommend FutureQuest - http://www.futurequest.net/ I host with them and they are excellent in up time, support and generous with throughput. (Note - I am in no way affiliated with this service other than being a happy customer). Scott From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Thu Jan 12 19:57:22 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:57:22 +0100 Subject: Font-installer & standalone-installer problems Message-ID: Hi In march 2005 ( over 4 weeks) the list hosted a long discussion on the question of font-installation, occasioned by my posting: I will quote bits and pieces in the following. Our project is now approaching publication (a freeware standalone for an electronic diary, organized to combine text with "glyphs" in 12 glyph-fonts). Now we need some kind of installer(s) for the mac,windows & linux standalones. If we cant find a freeware, we will pay the $ 20 for an InstallGadget from Sweat Technologies. But it cant handle the font installation. So there, we are back in the midst of the old discussion. Now, we are not especially hooked on the idea of their being "included in the standalone" ..and "automatically installed". I would prefer the fontsuite(s) to be included in the same (self-decompressing) folder(s) as the standalone(s), and a polite dialogue opening, asking the user to okay, that these (now 12) fonts are placed in the font-folder,- and only open the target stack, when this job is performed. Can this be engineered ? Perhaps with the help of a special install-stack ? Maybe this redefinition of the problem avoids some of the subtle questions of the march discussion, - but I think we need help to settle on the two (3?) stack scripts for dialogues, in Mac and in Windows, which will achieve such installations . ( And what about the linux standalone ?) On 3/3/05 9:28 AM, "Kresten Bjerg" wrote: > I have a font suite of 14 specially devellopped fonts, needed for a > standalone. Do users have to download them, and install them manually (a > mac version and a Windows version) or can they somehow be included in > the standalone, - and perhaps more or less automatically be installed > from there? You can't "embed" fonts into your standalone (like Flash or Director), but you can store them in your standalone as custom properties and write them out to disk into the OS's Fonts folder. This would be the equivalent of being installed. Ken Ray There follows a long series of postings from Mark Talluto, Klaus Major, Mark Wieder, Jerry Bolzano et al --- Ken Ray, march 30, 2005: I'm sorry I didn't catch this earlier; the thread started by someone (Kresten Bjerg) who was looking for a way to install fonts on Mac and Windows, and when Klaus Major brought up the idea of using the 'ext.dll' he'd mentioned: > I don't have the syntax/docs anymore (yes, i paid for them along time > ago) but maybe this still works and even with XP? Additionally, any external that ends in ".dll" is WIndows only; externals for Mac usually end in ".bundle". Soooooo, if you want to try loading fonts on Windows, use ext_loadFont with a windows path (like "C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Desktop/KillerStumps.ttf"). As to loading fonts on OS X, I would assume you can just copy the file to the proper Fonts directory. ----- Jerry Balzano: Certainly, on Macs I know I can copy the file to the Fonts folder, but then one generally needs to relaunch the application to gain access to the font. I was just looking for a more userly-transparent way to provide * possibly only temporary * access to a font that I am really attached to using but which I can't assume will be present on host computers. The other downside to copying files to people's Fonts folders is that it seems a tad intrusive, ---- Frank D. Engel: but try this: Inside the "Contents" folder of the application (standalone) bundle, there should be a "Resources" folder; if not, create one. Inside that "Resources" folder, create a folder called "Fonts", and place the font(s) in that folder. See if that works. ----- Also an "embedd/install fonts" thread by Bob Earp & Chipp Walters in July seems relevant. ---- And I got a note, that maybe Scott Rossi from Tactile Media had a solution to fontinstallation ----- I am not able to understand and construct , what we need- and dont need ! - , out of all this information. Will be grateful for advice and directions. Kresten Bjerg PS: A preliminary version of our stack can be found in revonline userspaces http:// revonline.runrev.com/channels/home.rvc.gz under the name "Kresten". Further info on the project ( and the mac and windows versions of the fonts) can be found at www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg/diary.htm From alex at tweedly.net Thu Jan 12 20:29:52 2006 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:29:52 +0000 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> Message-ID: <43C70290.9020906@tweedly.net> Chipp Walters wrote: > I've been thinking a lot about this lately-- and I'm leaning on the > side of creating next versions of my apps as mostly portable from now > on. Portable apps have the distinguishing feature they are entirely > self-contained in a single folder and can even be stored on USB drives > if the user wishes. They are easy to install and delete and move, as > well as maintain. For more info on portable apps check out: > http://portableapps.com/ > It sounds like a good idea. I can easily see the "easy to install, delete and move" - but I'm not quite so sure about the "easy to maintain". It seems like there might be issues with any new version wishing to retain the existing user preferences and data. > > Any thoughts about this before I take the leap? I'd be interested in your thoughts on how you'll lay out the contents within the single folder. Maybe 3 (typically) sub-folders - application, prefs and data ? (with the user having the choice of putting data elsewhere, of course). How do portable apps work out for the non-portable user ? I currently have some (semi-) portable data - I have the same set of apps (but sometimes different prefs) set up on each machine I use regularly, and a flash-drive of my documents / data. So I can go from "home" to "work" computers with only the flash-drive full of data, and use the apps that are installed. Access to the local hard disks are significantly faster than my USB-1 flash drive, so I'd see a performance hit if I used the apps from that instead. That wouldn't be important if I was taking advantage of the portable apps (e.g. Internet cafe, or visiting friends) when the convenience would far outweigh the performance issue. I think this simply means that a "portable app" should be able to easily use data (and maybe even prefs) from a different location, but there may be other implications I haven't thought of yet. I think I'll download Firefox etc. from the site, use it exclusively for a week or two and see what issues I run into before joining you in that leap ... One more thought - are you considering cross-platform portable apps ?? A single folder that contains Windows + Mac + Linux apps ... to allow people to use whichever machine type is available; one step further than the portableapps site has done, but would be really cool, I think. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 06/01/2006 From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Jan 12 20:50:01 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:50:01 -0600 Subject: Dates/Calendar In-Reply-To: <43C6F60F.6010601@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 1/12/06 6:36 PM, "Marty Knapp" wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm reviving an calendar stack that I wrote years ago in Hypercard using > WindowScript. I've got it working pretty well, but had a quick question > - it appears that Windows XP is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1970 > and that OSX is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1935. Does that > sound correct? Yes, that's correct. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 20:53:49 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:53:49 +1000 Subject: Dates/Calendar In-Reply-To: <43C6F60F.6010601@comcast.net> References: <43C6F60F.6010601@comcast.net> Message-ID: > I'm reviving an calendar stack that I wrote years ago in Hypercard using > WindowScript. I've got it working pretty well, but had a quick question > - it appears that Windows XP is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1970 > and that OSX is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1935. Does that > sound correct? > I don't know about any cross-platform differences with dates but the two dates you quoted are both significant in Rev. 1/1/1970 is 0 seconds (at midnight GMT). This can cause strange things to happen if you end up working with negative seconds. 35 is the default century cutoff, so any dates before 1935 will get shown as 2035 after using the convert command, unless you change the cutoff. If you want to have a look at another calendar, mine is available at Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 20:57:35 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:57:35 +1000 Subject: adding to a stack In-Reply-To: <2635CEAE-CC2F-4C3E-A03E-F09C6447C161@ku.edu> References: <2635CEAE-CC2F-4C3E-A03E-F09C6447C161@ku.edu> Message-ID: > I am having trouble modifying a stack that I did not develop. It is a > simple questionnaire program that asks a variety of questions and > records the answers. The program uploads the questions from a .txt > file. I need to add more questions to the stack. To do this I need to > copy some of the previous cards, such as the instructions card, so > that they can be modified for the new surveys. I also need to copy > the question cards so that I can modify the number of response > options for the new questions. Also, I've tried starting from scratch > with new cards for the new surveys, however, the program adds them > where I don't want them, and I can't figure out how to move them. For > instance, a new card will be added as card #8, but I want it to be > card #3. I realize that these must be simple things to accomplish, > but it is my first time using Revolution. The questionnaire stack was > originally imported from Hypercard if that makes any difference. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. if you want to make a complete copy of an exiting card, go to it and type "clone this card" into the Message box. When you press Enter, a duplicate card will be created. If you look at the Inspector palette for a card, you will see a number. This is the order of the card in the stack and you can edit this number directly in the Inspector. HTH, Sarah From jerry at hytext.com Thu Jan 12 21:05:50 2006 From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:05:50 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> Message-ID: <000701c617e5$e4177510$0100a8c0@INSIGHT3> From: "Chipp Walters" > I've been thinking a lot about this lately-- and I'm leaning on the side > of creating next versions of my apps as mostly portable from now on. . . . > Any thoughts about this before I take the leap? My apps are completely portable, so far. I run them from a USB jumpdrive, on Windows, Mac, and Linux. I have the three flavors of StackRunner, each in its own folder (Windows version uses a couple of DLLs it needs handy). My app, in a set of .rev stacks, lives in an "app" folder. Plug it in, fire up the appropriate StackRunner, grab the stack file, and I'm off and running. No installation, no registry-diddling, no Applications folder fiddling, no shell command starter scripts. No more lugging laptops, either! ---- Jerry Muelver From mdswindell at charter.net Thu Jan 12 20:59:10 2006 From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:59:10 -0800 Subject: The formatted mouseline? In-Reply-To: <43C6A862.3020409@ehug.info> References: <0AB64A79-72E3-4DC5-90EE-2B5DAF9AA3FF@charter.net> <43C66B9D.6040708@ehug.info> <0c36bba4cd27233ec6a34824baf37d90@santacruz.k12.ca.us> <43C6A862.3020409@ehug.info> Message-ID: <2AE7BFFF-6023-442C-ADDD-9187F65C08D5@charter.net> Thanks, Mark! I just checked your sample out and it works quite nicely. Your help and time are much appreciated. :) Also, thanks to the others who responded with suggestions. Such a great resource this list is. Mark On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Mark, > > I uploaded a demo to RevOnline. User name Mark, category General. > The name of the stack is Reading Guide Strip. > > Best, > > Mark > > > Mark Swindell wrote: >> I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its >> coordinates relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an >> underline or somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. >> This has to be derived from the mouse position relative to the >> formatted line position as this graphic will move based on where >> the mouse is. >> Imagine a younger child reading a book with a strip of guide paper >> which she slides down the page to help with focus. That's the idea. >> The mouseline would give the information needed, except that the >> text wraps, thus the need for the formatted mouse line. Tracking >> the mouseloc would work, except the user has to be able to click >> on hypertext in the lines and move the mouse horizontally without >> it graphic underline following it and wiggling around. Does this >> make sense? >> The field becomes scrolling only when its formatted contents >> exceed its height, which is rarely. >> Thanks for your interest, >> Mark > > -- > > eHUG coordinator > mailto:europe at ehug.info > http://www.ehug.info > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch > http://www.economy-x-talk.com > > Please inform me about vacancies in the field of > general economics at your institute. I am also looking > for new freelance programming projects. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 21:34:05 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:34:05 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: <4409ECF5-B8D8-498C-9836-B1577D922E4A@mac.com> I am trying to tidy up this code with repeat but haveing trubble This works fine get field "name1" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "phone" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "child" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "adult" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "total" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "credit" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "paymenttype" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "address" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "address1" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "address2" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "email" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "seatNo" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "ticket" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData get field "showID" put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" after tRowData this does not get field "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" put it into tColData repeat with i = to number of items in tColData put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData end repeat thanks Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jan 12 21:49:29 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:49:29 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> Message-ID: <43C71539.2030600@fourthworld.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > I've been thinking a lot about this lately-- and I'm leaning on the side > of creating next versions of my apps as mostly portable from now on. > Portable apps have the distinguishing feature they are entirely > self-contained in a single folder and can even be stored on USB drives > if the user wishes. They are easy to install and delete and move, as > well as maintain. For more info on portable apps check out: > http://portableapps.com/ ... > Any thoughts about this before I take the leap? The thread "checking removable drives" in this archive has some discussion on this: One solution is for the app to attempt to write to its own folder, and if that fails then it writes where the OS vendor recommends. Another is to use a DriveType external. Mark Weider was kind enough to send me his. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 22:00:33 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:00:33 -0800 Subject: Dates/Calendar In-Reply-To: References: <43C6F60F.6010601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C717D1.8010609@comcast.net> Thanks Sara and Ken for the info. If anyone's interested, you're welcome to my calendar stack. It has Tooltips for instructions, but it's pretty simple/basic. It would need to be customized for use in your stack. In Rev, insert this in the Message box: go stack url "http://westshorecraftworks.com/MartysCalendar.rev" Marty Knapp >>I'm reviving an calendar stack that I wrote years ago in Hypercard using >>WindowScript. I've got it working pretty well, but had a quick question >>- it appears that Windows XP is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1970 >>and that OSX is limited to dates on or since Jan 1, 1935. Does that >>sound correct? >> >> >> > >I don't know about any cross-platform differences with dates but the >two dates you quoted are both significant in Rev. > >1/1/1970 is 0 seconds (at midnight GMT). This can cause strange things >to happen if you end up working with negative seconds. > >35 is the default century cutoff, so any dates before 1935 will get >shown as 2035 after using the convert command, unless you change the >cutoff. > >If you want to have a look at another calendar, mine is available at > > >Cheers, >Sara > > From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Jan 12 22:02:56 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:56 -0600 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: <4409ECF5-B8D8-498C-9836-B1577D922E4A@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/12/06 8:34 PM, "liamlambert" wrote: > I am trying to tidy up this code with repeat but haveing trubble > This works fine > get field "name1" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "phone" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "child" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "adult" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "total" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "credit" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "paymenttype" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "address" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "address1" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "address2" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "email" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "seatNo" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "ticket" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > get field "showID" > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" after tRowData > > this does not > > get field > "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre > ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" > put it into tColData > repeat with i = to number of items in tColData > put "'" & cleanSQL(it) & "'" & "," after tRowData > end repeat That's because you can't refer to fields that way. Also, "repeat for each" in this instance is easier than "repeat with i". Try this (watch line wraps): put "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,address2, email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames put "'" & cleanSQL(field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData end repeat HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com PS: If 'field tField' doesn't work, use 'the text of field tField'... I'm pretty sure the first works, but this is all off the top of my head... From mark at maseurope.net Thu Jan 12 22:04:31 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:04:31 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <6125E66D-9AD1-4AC1-A7E2-3A145B4A75BE@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> <6125E66D-9AD1-4AC1-A7E2-3A145B4A75BE@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <89A7D8FB-C629-46C0-B5CB-176093728731@maseurope.net> Now updated. Fixed the file thing, and have added a player with moving cursor ... and you can zoom and scroll while playing. Thanks! Mark On 12 Jan 2006, at 21:05, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > Replace chooseFile() by a well known answer file and it will work... > Very fine. Bravo Mark. > Do you think to be able to add a play function with a "cursor" > moving along the wave form? > Should be great! > > Le 12 janv. 06 ? 21:59, Klaus Major a ?crit : > >>> I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio >>> waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. >>> >>> Stack: AudioWaveform >>> User: Mark Smith >> >> very, very cool! >> >> But where did you define: chooseFile() >> I get an error: Error in function handler -> choosefile() > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 22:09:03 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:09:03 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: Thank you Ken that worked Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From chipp at chipp.com Thu Jan 12 22:16:18 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:16:18 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? Message-ID: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > I can easily see the "easy to install, delete and move" - but I'm not > quite so sure about the "easy to maintain". It seems like there might be > issues with any new version wishing to retain the existing user > preferences and data. I'm thinking my apps are all updated over the internet, so new versions wouldn't have a problem with prefs. I license 1 app to 1 person, so I'm not worried about multiple users. > I'd be interested in your thoughts on how you'll lay out the contents > within the single folder. > Maybe 3 (typically) sub-folders - application, prefs and data ? > (with the user having the choice of putting data elsewhere, of course). Yes, indeed something like that. > How do portable apps work out for the non-portable user ? They could install it anywhere they like on their hard drive. Program Files if they wanted to. > One more thought - are you considering cross-platform portable apps ?? > A single folder that contains Windows + Mac + Linux apps ... to allow > people to use whichever machine type is available; one step further than > the portableapps site has done, but would be really cool, I think. Wow! That's a very cool idea. I think I'll be sure and architect for it. Could be a great selling point, especially if you only use a single splashscreen standalone for each platform (like I typically do anyway). -Chipp From liamlambert at mac.com Thu Jan 12 22:36:43 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:36:43 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display Message-ID: <5DABDE07-6564-4C07-9CCF-FD365F7C4129@mac.com> Nice one Mark 20 out of 10 Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au Thu Jan 12 22:48:58 2006 From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:48:58 +1100 Subject: Serial communication In-Reply-To: <20060112223734.CECFA8259A3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060112223734.CECFA8259A3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6B379D67-A196-46F2-93B8-C6E0C51BEB97@dvkconsult.com.au> On 13/01/2006, at 9:37, Camm29" wrote: > > David thanks , that's seems to do the trick. > Any ideas how to break out of repeat loops in say 10 seconds as a > timeout ? Glad it worked for you. I take it you want a loop to execute but stop after an amount of time apart from any other condition. Leaving aside mechanisms which will simply kill the handler, you will probably need to check the time before the loop, add ten seconds to it and then inside the loop check the current time to see if you have reached that the nominated expiry time yet. e.g. put the seconds + 10 into expiry put false into timedOut repeat if the seconds > expiry then put true into timedOut exit repeat end if end repeat -- Now checking timedOut will tell you under what condition you did exited, normally or by time. Does anyone have a more elegant solution for this? regards David From mark at maseurope.net Thu Jan 12 22:55:30 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:55:30 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <5DABDE07-6564-4C07-9CCF-FD365F7C4129@mac.com> References: <5DABDE07-6564-4C07-9CCF-FD365F7C4129@mac.com> Message-ID: <64189499-A72A-4040-83C1-02DB6D350C75@maseurope.net> Thanks! Mark On 13 Jan 2006, at 03:36, liamlambert wrote: > Nice one Mark 20 out of 10 > Liam Lambert > liamlambert at mac.com > IRELAND > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From simplsol at aol.com Thu Jan 12 23:26:45 2006 From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:26:45 -0500 Subject: Qif Files In-Reply-To: <43C6F264.6050206@fourthworld.com> References: <001a01c617d6$0b7fc180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> <43C6F264.6050206@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <8C7E610B23F28C0-D00-1B55@mblk-r20.sysops.aol.com> Scott, QIF is an old-style data format, it does not use tabs or commas as delimiters. Instead it allocates aa specific number of characters per field - and the fields have to be padded if they contain less than the allocated characters. About 10 years ago I wrote a QIF import/export routine in HyperCard. Let me know if you need it and I'll try to find it. Paul Looney -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gaskin To: How to use Revolution Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Qif Files Scott Kane wrote:? > Hi,? > > As I don't have (my bank doesn't support it) a? > sample Qif file (Quicken format) I was wondering? > if anybody had done Qif a conversion in Rev?? ? I haven't seen one, but it shouldn't be too hard to write one -- the spec with an example is available:? ? ? ? --? ?Richard Gaskin? ?Managing Editor, revJournal? ?_______________________________________________________? ?Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com? _______________________________________________? use-revolution mailing list? use-revolution at lists.runrev.com? Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:? http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution? From scott at proherp.com Thu Jan 12 23:29:31 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:29:31 +1100 Subject: Qif Files In-Reply-To: <8C7E610B23F28C0-D00-1B55@mblk-r20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000801c617f9$f80069b0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Paul, > QIF is an old-style data format, it does not use tabs or commas as > delimiters. Instead it allocates aa specific number of characters per > field - and the fields have to be padded if they contain less > than the > allocated characters. > About 10 years ago I wrote a QIF import/export routine in HyperCard. > Let me know if you need it and I'll try to find it. As I'm new to Rev's parsing routines it'd be great if you could find it. I'd really appreciate it, but don't let it consume to much time for you... Thanks, Scott From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 00:48:53 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:48:53 +1000 Subject: externalsCommands In-Reply-To: References: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> Message-ID: > I just created a standalone using a stack that had the externals set > to /Full/Path/to/revspeech.bundle and the externalPackages returned > "RevSpeech" (answer the externalPackages of this stack). This was > using 2.6.1 on OS X.4. I'm not sure how the speech commands are > working without the external being loaded in a standalone though. > > FWIW, I always check the externalPackages to see if an external has > loaded successfully. the externalPackages of a stack will always > report the name of the externals that have successfully loaded. > What do you use for the full path to the external? I made a test app that uses this: /Users/sarah/Desktop/SpeechTest/SpeechTest.app/Contents/MacOS/externals/revspeech.bundle but this is a bundle folder which contains 2 revspeech files in differently nested folders. Should I be setting the external to one of them? The other thing that I have noticed is that the substacks of my app include one called: revExternalLibrary. I wonder if the speech stuff being copied into this automatically? In my test app, I have shown the following: - speech works perfectly without any setting of externals. - the externals, the externalPackages, the externalCommand & the externalFunctions all return empty. - if I set the externals to revSpeech.bundle, it makes no functional difference. The revSpeech.bundle then shows up when I query the externals, but the others all return empty. This is using Rev 2.6.1 and Mac OS X 10.4.3 So now I am just using speech without testing to see whether it is available, so I've made a general speech routine with an "on try ... error" structure. However I am confused about how Trevor managed to get some data out of the externalPackages when I can't in a brand-new plain test stack. I don't want to make a Bugzilla entry until I'm sure it isn't just me :-) Cheers, Sarah From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Jan 13 01:20:26 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:20:26 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <89A7D8FB-C629-46C0-B5CB-176093728731@maseurope.net> References: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> <6125E66D-9AD1-4AC1-A7E2-3A145B4A75BE@sosmartsoftware.com> <89A7D8FB-C629-46C0-B5CB-176093728731@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <13848116-0CB3-4B55-A021-C414BDB961B7@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Mark, Really amazing! I love the way the moving cursor runs to get the right place :-) Were did you find all information about sound files structure? Could you share it? Each day, we discover that there is almost nothing that can't be done with Rev :-) When you have a sharp feeling for mathematics :-( Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 13 janv. 06 ? 04:04, Mark Smith a ?crit : > Now updated. Fixed the file thing, and have added a player with > moving cursor ... and you can zoom and scroll while playing. > > Thanks! > > Mark > On 12 Jan 2006, at 21:05, Eric Chatonet wrote: > >> Hi Klaus, >> >> Replace chooseFile() by a well known answer file and it will work... >> Very fine. Bravo Mark. >> Do you think to be able to add a play function with a "cursor" >> moving along the wave form? >> Should be great! >> >> Le 12 janv. 06 ? 21:59, Klaus Major a ?crit : >> >>>> I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio >>>> waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. >>>> >>>> Stack: AudioWaveform >>>> User: Mark Smith >>> >>> very, very cool! >>> >>> But where did you define: chooseFile() >>> I get an error: Error in function handler -> choosefile() >> >> Best Regards from Paris, >> Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Jan 13 01:57:14 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:57:14 -0800 Subject: externalsCommands In-Reply-To: References: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> I just created a standalone using a stack that had the externals set >> to /Full/Path/to/revspeech.bundle and the externalPackages returned >> "RevSpeech" (answer the externalPackages of this stack). This was >> using 2.6.1 on OS X.4. I'm not sure how the speech commands are >> working without the external being loaded in a standalone though. >> >> FWIW, I always check the externalPackages to see if an external has >> loaded successfully. the externalPackages of a stack will always >> report the name of the externals that have successfully loaded. > > What do you use for the full path to the external? I made a test app > that uses this: > /Users/sarah/Desktop/SpeechTest/SpeechTest.app/Contents/MacOS/ > externals/revspeech.bundle > but this is a bundle folder which contains 2 revspeech files in > differently nested folders. Should I be setting the external to one of > them? For bundles you always set the path to the .bundle folder so what you have above should work. Did you use the standalone builder? I just created a new stack and set the externals of the stack to the revspeech.bundle that is in the Revolution application folder. Perhaps the standalone builder is doing something funny? I don't ever use it to include externals, I always assign them manually. > The other thing that I have noticed is that the substacks of my app > include one called: revExternalLibrary. I wonder if the speech stuff > being copied into this automatically? I'm not sure how rev handles external with the standalone builder but if they are including this file then I would check the externals of this stack. In order to make the external handlers available to all stacks in your application the Rev folks may bet setting the externals of this revExternalLibrary stack and then using it as a library. > In my test app, I have shown the following: > - speech works perfectly without any setting of externals. > - the externals, the externalPackages, the externalCommand & the > externalFunctions all return empty. > - if I set the externals to revSpeech.bundle, it makes no functional > difference. The revSpeech.bundle then shows up when I query the > externals, but the others all return empty. The externals will always return the value that you assign to it. It won't tell you whether the external was properly loaded or not. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia trevor at mangomultimedia.com From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Fri Jan 13 02:43:19 2006 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:43:19 -0500 Subject: Flip4Mac Message-ID: 'FREE' maybe too generous a term: Flip4Mac is a bit like Quicktime itself as part of it is Free - for capabilities such as converting WMV files to Mac native ones one has to pay for a license. For tight-fisted types like myself there are other, FREE, solutions to dealing with Windows Media files on both Mac OS X and Mac Classic. So, I am not quite as excited by Flip4Mac as some other people seem to be. I am always happy when I can avoid having a Microsoft product on any of my machines as I always have a funny feeling that they are either gathering up info to send back to Uncle Bill or doing odd things in the 'basement' of the computer. Here are a few pointers: http://www.easywma.com/ http://mplayerosx.sourceforge.net/ http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html sincerely, Richmond Mathewson __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html _______________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --------------------------------------------------------------- From PradeepKumar.MITTAL at insead.edu Fri Jan 13 04:05:40 2006 From: PradeepKumar.MITTAL at insead.edu (MITTAL Pradeep Kumar) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:05:40 +0100 Subject: How to copy folder from server to the client machine Message-ID: <8CD3C97D72BC144CB87AEBAD8D2E973202DF14AF@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra> Hello, I would like to copy folder ( which is around 1 MB and contains 85 files) from server to the client machine. I think revCopyFolder can not do this. Is there any command similar to revCopyfolder which can copy the entire folder by using http protocol. ( I do not want to use ftp protocol because some organization blocks the ftp port). The last thing, I can think of is downloading the zip file and then unzip on the client side. But I would be interested in the solution which can be done without zipping the file. Please let me know if you have some ideas. Thansk for your help Best Regards Pradeep Mittal From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Fri Jan 13 04:15:22 2006 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:15:22 +0000 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: <07CA59AD-A056-422C-8206-A2B7AAF066FD@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <07CA59AD-A056-422C-8206-A2B7AAF066FD@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <4fddea03c4e01db102e5b0f0cf13db61@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Many thanks to Sarah and Eric for the workaround. It seems like this must have been discussed in the list, but I just couldn't find it. I suppose I should just stump up for the latest RR version sooner rather than later. I'll see what's left after the taxman has had his pound of flesh this month. Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk. On 12 Jan 2006, at 9:29 pm, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi David, > > Sarah replied about the bug in Rev prior to 2.5. > The workaround I used at this time was to specify a globalRect without > specifying the window ID: > > local tRect,tTopLeft,tBotRight, tGlobalRect > ----- > put the rect of stack into tRect > put item 1 of tRect,item 2 of tRect into tTopLeft > put item 3 of tRect,item 4 of tRect into tBotRight > put globalLoc(tTopLeft),globalLoc(tBotRight) into tGlobalRect > import snapshot from rect tGlobalRect > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Fri Jan 13 04:19:38 2006 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:19:38 +0100 Subject: How to copy folder from server to the client machine In-Reply-To: <8CD3C97D72BC144CB87AEBAD8D2E973202DF14AF@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra> Message-ID: Hi Pradeep I use rev to copy over 50 GBs of data per day... Across EMCs, Novell, NT4 - 2003, etc... While revCopyFolder (or any rev(fileOperation) may seem handy most are not solid and can trip on anything... My best recommendation is to use Shell(start copy (or your favorite copy program)) or applescripts (if available)... if you use shell, test it first in a real shell and then use it via rev... cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 13/01/2006 10:05:40: > Hello, > > I would like to copy folder ( which is around 1 MB and contains 85 > files) from server to the client machine. I think revCopyFolder can not > do this. > > Is there any command similar to revCopyfolder which can copy the entire > folder by using http protocol. ( I do not want to use ftp protocol > because some organization blocks the ftp port). > > The last thing, I can think of is downloading the zip file and then > unzip on the client side. But I would be interested in the solution > which can be done without zipping the file. > > Please let me know if you have some ideas. > > Thansk for your help > Best Regards > Pradeep Mittal > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ----------------------------------------- To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is 'firstname.familyname at clearstream.com'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Fri Jan 13 04:43:30 2006 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:43:30 +0000 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: <4fddea03c4e01db102e5b0f0cf13db61@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <07CA59AD-A056-422C-8206-A2B7AAF066FD@sosmartsoftware.com> <4fddea03c4e01db102e5b0f0cf13db61@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Message-ID: > Many thanks to Sarah and Eric for the workaround. > > > Yikes! I spoke too soon. I tried Eric's script and got part of the window, but the snapshot was offset to the right and down from the actual window. If I move the stack right and down & repeat the snapshot I get a progressively smaller image. If I move it left and up, the snapshot includes more of the window, but remains offset, all the way up to the top left of the screen. I know this is probably only a historical problem for most list users, but I would appreciate any pointers while I try to see whether the image offset is systematic in some way. Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk On 13 Jan 2006, at 9:15 am, David Glasgow wrote: From chipp at chipp.com Fri Jan 13 05:33:01 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:33:01 -0600 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <07CA59AD-A056-422C-8206-A2B7AAF066FD@sosmartsoftware.com> <4fddea03c4e01db102e5b0f0cf13db61@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <43C781DD.8080902@chipp.com> David, I always did this: put the rect of img "fred" into tRect put the windowID of this stack into tWinID import snapshot from rect tRect of window tWinID It always worked for me. But I'm on XP. If that doesn't work, try checking out Ken Ray's tip at: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/imag007.htm on How to Export a Card Image (Not a Screenshot!) From klaus at major-k.de Fri Jan 13 05:58:43 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:58:43 +0100 Subject: OT: Flip4Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richmond, old chum :-) > 'FREE' maybe too generous a term: Flip4Mac is a bit like > Quicktime itself as part of it is Free - for capabilities > such as converting WMV files to Mac native ones one has to > pay for a license. True, but the "play only" component also did cost about 10 $ until they made it available for FREE a couple of days ago :-) > For tight-fisted types like myself there are other, FREE, > solutions to dealing with Windows Media files on both Mac > OS X and Mac Classic. So, I am not quite as excited by > Flip4Mac as some other people seem to be. Thanks for the tiny side blow :-D > I am always happy > when I can avoid having a Microsoft product Flip4Mac is NOT a MS $ product, my friend! But now i can delete the WMP for Mac, which IS a step forward in your direction ;-) > on any of my > machines as I always have a funny feeling that they are > either gathering up info to send back to Uncle Bill or > doing odd things in the 'basement' of the computer. > > Here are a few pointers: > > http://www.easywma.com/ That's "just" a converter. > http://mplayerosx.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html Sure, but it is all about convenience! Why switch to another player if you can use the "player de la maison"? Especially in the browser this IS very convenient. > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson > __________________________________________________ > See Mathewson's software at: > > http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html Best from germanski Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From katir at hindu.org Fri Jan 13 06:21:23 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:21:23 -1000 Subject: Gathering User Info -- how much is spyware? Message-ID: <65873A95-EE52-475E-BA35-D27F1A605F2A@hindu.org> I'm finding myself more and more wishing I could get a total picture of the platform of the box for any particular user. For in house, close to home associates I have developed a small "system" check stack with a little script Small stack opens with lovely image... one button: Click to Analyze System on mouseup Put "Platform: " & the platform & cr &\ "Machine: " & the machine & cr &\ "System: " & the systemVersion & cr & \ "Environment: " & the environment & cr & \ "Version: " & the version & cr & \ "Screen Bit Depth: " &the screenDepth & cr &\ "Colors: " &the screenColors & cr &\ "Screen Rect: " &the screenRect \ into fld "data" ## Run Revers: please feel free to extend the above ## as far as you possibly can in any direction ## I would like to know what is possible. show fld "data" with wipe down wait 2 seconds put fld "data" into tBody put empty into fld "data" select after fld "data" set the typingrate to 50 type "Preparing Email..." hide fld "data" with visual effect dissolve very fast put "System Check" into tSubject revGoURL ("mailto:user at domain.org?subject=" & tSubject & "&body=" & tBody) End mouseup It works just dandy.. This leads to two questions: 1) how much more information can we gather? In particular the user's RAM and hard drive space, as well as the presence of certain applications. If these came back home and you put them into a back end data base, you could do some very useful analyses of your user base. I believe I can search the archives for scripts that test for some of these things, especially the latter (apps available on the box) but if anyone has already developed a complete system check, please do share it. Particularly, total, hard drive space, used and available are important variables in a scenario where you may be offering the user options to download literally gigabytes of data over time.

2) the second question is broader and possibly should go into a different thread: if one were to deploy an app that might be put to use by the 1000's (of public users...people you don't even know) and you wanted your app to send info back to "the mother ship" -- at what point does the "system check" start to evolve from "innocent hardware-environment profile" to "spy-ware." Is there an existing legal definition of the line between these two kinds of data gathering operations. I know that MS dOES something like this but users had to check some "Help us improve our software" thing before it became active. Adobe displays model dialogs and quite openly informs you, without any request for permission first, that data from your machine is being sent back to Amma. (I found, and still find, this just a bit disconcerting, even for such a trusted company) Of course we all know of Sony's DVD fiasco. But I never actually saw what the Sony "spyware" was sending back home that was so "bad." Was it the data was so sensitive? or just the mere fact that a sniffer was there and no one knew about it? One might think the criteria obvious and could develop a list of "innocuous" nonpersonal info and a list of "sensitive" info, (as Adobe obviously has already done) but I'm wondering if there is already a formalized standard for this dividing line. Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications at Kauai's Hindu Monastery katir at hindu.org www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com www.Gurudeva.org www.Hindu.org From mark at maseurope.net Fri Jan 13 06:28:08 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:28:08 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <13848116-0CB3-4B55-A021-C414BDB961B7@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <851FBAEE-C37C-4E55-B7C1-90428C36F5A3@major-k.de> <6125E66D-9AD1-4AC1-A7E2-3A145B4A75BE@sosmartsoftware.com> <89A7D8FB-C629-46C0-B5CB-176093728731@maseurope.net> <13848116-0CB3-4B55-A021-C414BDB961B7@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <5A5E4BB4-2F59-41D7-AA4C-CBEA2080CE27@maseurope.net> Thanks, Eric. Scott has found a problem with playing short files, so I've reuploaded with a temporary fix, until I can do something better. Info about sound files....just google 'AIFF spec', 'WAV spec', and you'll find more information than you can bear! :) Best, Mark On 13 Jan 2006, at 06:20, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Really amazing! > I love the way the moving cursor runs to get the right place :-) > Were did you find all information about sound files structure? > Could you share it? > Each day, we discover that there is almost nothing that can't be > done with Rev :-) > When you have a sharp feeling for mathematics :-( > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > > Le 13 janv. 06 ? 04:04, Mark Smith a ?crit : > >> Now updated. Fixed the file thing, and have added a player with >> moving cursor ... and you can zoom and scroll while playing. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Mark >> On 12 Jan 2006, at 21:05, Eric Chatonet wrote: >> >>> Hi Klaus, >>> >>> Replace chooseFile() by a well known answer file and it will work... >>> Very fine. Bravo Mark. >>> Do you think to be able to add a play function with a "cursor" >>> moving along the wave form? >>> Should be great! >>> >>> Le 12 janv. 06 ? 21:59, Klaus Major a ?crit : >>> >>>>> I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing >>>>> audio waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. >>>>> >>>>> Stack: AudioWaveform >>>>> User: Mark Smith >>>> >>>> very, very cool! >>>> >>>> But where did you define: chooseFile() >>>> I get an error: Error in function handler -> choosefile() >>> >>> Best Regards from Paris, >>> Eric Chatonet > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Jan 13 06:40:55 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:40:55 +0100 Subject: import snapshot crash... In-Reply-To: References: <904AA0BF-7FC5-49FA-BD20-EBC87979F497@major-k.de> <07CA59AD-A056-422C-8206-A2B7AAF066FD@sosmartsoftware.com> <4fddea03c4e01db102e5b0f0cf13db61@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi David, Sorry, now I remember there was a problem with globalLoc() too :-) So: local tRect ----- put the rect of stack into tRect add the left of stack to item 1 of tRect add the left of stack to item 3 of tRect add the top of stack to item 2 of tRect add the top of stack to item 4 of tRect import snapshot from rect tRect Le 13 janv. 06 ? 10:43, David Glasgow a ?crit : > Yikes! I spoke too soon. I tried Eric's script and got part of the > window, but the snapshot was offset to the right and down from the > actual window. If I move the stack right and down & repeat the > snapshot I get a progressively smaller image. If I move it left > and up, the snapshot includes more of the window, but remains > offset, all the way up to the top left of the screen. > > I know this is probably only a historical problem for most list > users, but I would appreciate any pointers while I try to see > whether the image offset is systematic in some way. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Fri Jan 13 08:28:16 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:28:16 -0500 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> Message-ID: <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> Safe Portable App-ing An important thing to keep in mind when using portable applications is that they can be used to spread viruses between machines. While this isn't as much of an issue when you own or are responsible for both the machines you are using it on (say work and home), it can be a very big issue when you use a portable app on an untrusted or unknown machine (school, internet cafe, family member's PC, etc). For this reason, it is important that you practice Safe Portable App-ing! The Checklist ? Use a solid antivirus program on your primary PC and keep its virus definitions up to date. ? Scan your PC and portable drive for viruses on a regular basis. ? Whenever you plug your portable drive into an unknown computer, you should assume that it may now be infected with a virus. If the PC has a virus that is currently in memory, it may attempt to infect your portable applications as soon as you plug it in. ? When you then plug your portable drive into another computer (after an unknown), you should first scan it for viruses before running any of your applications. (Most antivirus software will make this available to you by right-clicking on your drive in Explorer or My Computer.) That way, if it is infected, you'll know before you run your applications and the new computer will not be infected. ? Always wait until the drive access light has stopped blinking and then click the icon in your system tray to 'Safely Remove' your device. Don't just remove it. Just because the portable app's window is closed doesn't mean the app has fully closed and finished writing to the disk. ? Back up your portable applications on a regular basis. If you follow these simple rules, you'll be able to enjoy your portable applications without getting stuck with a virus or losing your data. As always, there is still the risk of getting a new virus that your antivirus program can't yet detect, but the probability would be relatively low, and you run the same risk whenever you download a file from the internet. Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From bnz2 at cdc.gov Fri Jan 13 09:35:29 2006 From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:35:29 -0500 Subject: Portable Apps..? Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996846B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov> Someone should create an antivirus program meant to be installed on a USB drive, and call it The USB Prophylactic, or some other play on the concept of a condom for your USB drive - meant to protect your computer from the dangers of STDs (Software Transmitted Diseases). -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:28 AM To: chipp at chipp.com; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Portable Apps..? Safe Portable App-ing An important thing to keep in mind when using portable applications is that they can be used to spread viruses between machines. While this isn't as much of an issue when you own or are responsible for both the machines you are using it on (say work and home), it can be a very big issue when you use a portable app on an untrusted or unknown machine (school, internet cafe, family member's PC, etc). For this reason, it is important that you practice Safe Portable App-ing! The Checklist * Use a solid antivirus program on your primary PC and keep its virus definitions up to date. * Scan your PC and portable drive for viruses on a regular basis. * Whenever you plug your portable drive into an unknown computer, you should assume that it may now be infected with a virus. If the PC has a virus that is currently in memory, it may attempt to infect your portable applications as soon as you plug it in. * When you then plug your portable drive into another computer (after an unknown), you should first scan it for viruses before running any of your applications. (Most antivirus software will make this available to you by right-clicking on your drive in Explorer or My Computer.) That way, if it is infected, you'll know before you run your applications and the new computer will not be infected. * Always wait until the drive access light has stopped blinking and then click the icon in your system tray to 'Safely Remove' your device. Don't just remove it. Just because the portable app's window is closed doesn't mean the app has fully closed and finished writing to the disk. * Back up your portable applications on a regular basis. If you follow these simple rules, you'll be able to enjoy your portable applications without getting stuck with a virus or losing your data. As always, there is still the risk of getting a new virus that your antivirus program can't yet detect, but the probability would be relatively low, and you run the same risk whenever you download a file from the internet. Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software(tm) - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art(tm) - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear(tm) - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From liamlambert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 10:24:03 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:24:03 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: There is still a problem with this I tried the text of field tField but no luck put "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames put "'" & cleanSQL(field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData end repeat Thanks Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Fri Jan 13 10:41:59 2006 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:41:59 -0500 Subject: Dynamic tabStops Message-ID: I need a table field to auto-resize to fit the tab-delimited content. What is a good method for growing/shrinking the tabStops to fit the longest text of each item of a field? TIA, Roger Eller From simplsol at aol.com Fri Jan 13 11:00:56 2006 From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:00:56 -0500 Subject: Sample QIF Import and Export In-Reply-To: <000801c617f9$f80069b0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <8C7E671AC3BC02D-DAC-2075@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Scott, Here are a set of handlers I wrote a very long time ago in HyperTalk. This is entirely reverse engineered (trial and error) and it was written for import and export to the checkbook part of my business system, so it may not handle all of the data you are dealing with. Looking at it today, I can see lots of improvements from porting it to Transcript (30,000 character limit in fields?!?). Don't forget to quote all literals - HC could handle a variable called Date, Rev requires "Date". This should get you started: on exportQIF ask file "Enter a name for exported text:" with "Export to QIF" if the result is "Cancel" then exit exportQIF put it into fileName ask "Start date:" with fld Date of cd 1 if the result is "Cancel" then exit exportQIF put it into startDate ask "End date:" with the short date if the result is "Cancel" then exit exportQIF put it into endDate convert startDate to seconds convert endDate to seconds put "Reviewed: 0 Exported: 0" put "!Type:Bank" into line 1 of temp repeat with i = 1 to the number of cds put i into word 2 of msg get fld "Date" of cd i convert it to seconds if (it ? startDate) and (it ? endDate) then add 1 to last word of msg put return after temp put "D"& fld "Date" of cd i after temp put return after temp put "P"& fld "Payee" of cd i after temp put return after temp put "M"& fld "Memo" of cd i after temp put return after temp if fld "Check/Deposit" of cd i is "Deposit" then put "T"& fld "Deposit" of cd i after temp else put "T-"& fld "$" of cd i after temp put return after temp if fld "Check/Deposit" of cd i is "Check" then if the number of lines of fld "Mailing Address" > 0 then repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines of fld "Mailing Address" put "A" & line n of fld "Mailing Address" of cd i after temp put return after temp end repeat end if put "N"& fld "Check Number" of cd i after temp put return after temp end if if fld "Cleared"of cd i is not empty then put "C*" after temp put return after temp end if put "L" & fld "Category" of cd i after temp put return after temp put "^" after temp end if end repeat get the number of chars of temp if it>30000 then answer "The export contains "&it&" characters."&? " Only 30,000 fit in the text file. Try a smaller range of dates." clearMsg end if open file fileName write temp to file fileName close file fileName clearMsg end exportQIF on importQIF answer file "Import from which QIF text file?" of type text if the result is "Cancel" then exit importQIF put it into fileToImport if it is empty then exit importQIF open file fileToImport read from file fileToImport until eof go to last cd of this stack send "doMenu new card" to HyperCard put 0 into addressLine put "Transactions imported: 0" repeat with i = 2 to the number of lines of it --if char 2 of line i of it is empty then next repeat--to skip empty lines,didn't work if char 1 of line i of it is D then delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into fld "Date" next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is P then delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into fld "Payee" next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is M then delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into fld "Memo" next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is T then delete char 1 of line i of it if the number of chars of line i of it > 5 then repeat with x = 1 to (the number of chars of line i of it - 6) if char x of line i of it is "," then delete char x of line i of it end repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is "-" then delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into fld "$" put "Cash Pmt." into fld "Check/Deposit" else put line i of it into fld "Deposit" put "Deposit" into fld "Check/Deposit" end if next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is "A" then add 1 to addressLine delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into line addressLine of fld "Mailing Address" next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is N then delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into fld "Check Number" put line i of it into fld "MaxNumber" put "Check" into fld "Check/Deposit" writeOutTheAmount next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is C then delete char 1 of line i of it --X=reconciled, *=cleared if line i of it is X then put "?" into fld "Cleared" else put "?" into fld "Cleared" next repeat end if if char 1 of line i of it is L then delete char 1 of line i of it put line i of it into fld "Category" next repeat end if --S=Category in split --E=Memo in split --$=Dollar amt in split if char 1 of line i of it is "^" then put 0 into addressLine send "doMenu new card" to HyperCard set numberFormat to "#." add 1 to last word of msg end if end repeat close file fileToImport go to last cd of this stack set lockMessages to true send "doMenu delete card" to HyperCard updateRunningTtl go to previous card put "Updating totals." set numberFormat to "#." listRecentTransactions --answer "File "&fileToImport&" imported successfully." end importQIF Paul Looney -----Original Message----- From: Scott Kane To: 'How to use Revolution' Sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:29:31 +1100 Subject: RE: Qif Files Hi Paul, > QIF is an old-style data format, it does not use tabs or commas as > delimiters. Instead it allocates aa specific number of characters per > field - and the fields have to be padded if they contain less > than the > allocated characters. > About 10 years ago I wrote a QIF import/export routine in HyperCard. > Let me know if you need it and I'll try to find it. As I'm new to Rev's parsing routines it'd be great if you could find it. I'd really appreciate it, but don't let it consume to much time for you... Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net Fri Jan 13 11:44:21 2006 From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Girard Damien) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:44:21 +0100 Subject: Does Revolution 2.6.1 IDE work with Revolution 2.1.2 engine ? Message-ID: <1137170661.1158.6.camel@Chronos> Hi all, I am under Sun Solaris 10 and I want to use Revolution for make some software. Since Revolution 2.2, the Solaris Intel Engine have been deleted. So I wan't to know if I can use the Revolution 2.6.1 IDE with the revolution 2.1.2 engine. Or if I can't, can I use the Metacard IDE with this engine ? Thanks. Girard Damien From rcozens at pon.net Fri Jan 13 11:15:29 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:15:29 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> Hi Chipp, >Any thoughts about this before I take the leap? One issue no one has mentioned is loading time for large stacks. I can run my Photo Portfolio standalone [almost 100 MB] from a UBC Jump Drive or from a CD-ROM; but it takes well over a minute to load. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Jan 13 12:22:13 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:22:13 +0100 Subject: Dynamic tabStops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roger, Here is a handler I use. No matter with the number of columns: the whole thing is fully automated. The process assumes there is a hidden field named "Template" that is used to get the formattedWidth and takes into account different styles if there are any. Note that the handler uses intensively the do command: good handler to learn how to master this command ;-) For instance: to initialize as many variables as needed. on SetTabStops pFld local tNumOfItems,tTabStopsList ----- set the itemDel to tab put the number of items of line 1 of fld pFld into tNumOfItems repeat with i = 0 to tNumOfItems do "put 0 into r" & i end repeat ----- repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld pFld repeat with j = 1 to the number of items of line 1 of fld pFld set the htmlText of fld "Template" to the htmlText of item j of line i of fld pFld do "put max(r" & j & comma & "the formattedWidth of line 1 of fld" && quote & "Template" & quote & ") + 10 into r" & j end repeat end repeat ----- repeat with i = tNumOfItems down to 2 repeat with j = i down to 2 do "add r" & j - 1 && "to r" & i end repeat end repeat ----- repeat with i = 1 to tNumOfItems do "put r" & i && "after tTabStopsList" put comma after tTabStopsList end repeat put 10000 after tTabStopsList set the tabstops of fld pFld to tTabStopsList end SetTabStops Take care of carriage returns! Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 13 janv. 06 ? 16:41, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com a ?crit : > I need a table field to auto-resize to fit the tab-delimited > content. What > is a good method for growing/shrinking the tabStops to fit the longest > text of each item of a field? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Jan 13 12:46:01 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:46:01 +0100 Subject: Dynamic tabStops (enhanced) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E9EBAC2-B6B4-47C3-BC6D-AB791D9BF04A@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi again Roger, Below a version easier to understand I have commented and slightly modified :-) The single parameter is the short name of the field. on SetTabStops pFld local tNumOfLines,tNumOfItems = 0,tTabStopsList constant kPixelsAdded = 10 -- adjust this value as wanted ----- intialization: -- number of columns (works even if the number of items is not the same in all lines) set the itemDel to tab repeat for each line tLine in fld pFld put max(the number of items of tLine,tNumOfItems) into tNumOfItems end repeat put the number of lines of fld pFld into tNumOfLines -- creating variables (as many as columns): repeat with i = 0 to tNumOfItems do "put 0 into r" & i end repeat ----- getting the wider item for each column: repeat with i = 1 to tNumOfLines repeat with j = 1 to tNumOfItems set the htmlText of fld "Template" to the htmlText of item j of line i of fld pFld do "put max(r" & j & comma & "the formattedWidth of line 1 of fld" && quote & "Template" & quote & ") + kPixelsAdded into r" & j end repeat end repeat ----- building the right values (ts2 = ts1 + ts2, etc.): repeat with i = tNumOfItems down to 2 repeat with j = i down to 2 do "add r" & j - 1 && "to r" & i end repeat end repeat ----- building the tab stops list: repeat with i = 1 to tNumOfItems do "put r" & i && "after tTabStopsList" put comma after tTabStopsList end repeat put 10000 after tTabStopsList -- to throw away the last vertical bar if vertical bars are displayed set the tabstops of fld pFld to tTabStopsList end SetTabStops > Le 13 janv. 06 ? 16:41, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com a ?crit : > >> I need a table field to auto-resize to fit the tab-delimited >> content. What >> is a good method for growing/shrinking the tabStops to fit the >> longest >> text of each item of a field? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From aminda at ku.edu Fri Jan 13 12:55:19 2006 From: aminda at ku.edu (O'Hare, Aminda) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:55:19 -0600 Subject: adding to a stack References: <2635CEAE-CC2F-4C3E-A03E-F09C6447C161@ku.edu> Message-ID: Thank you so much for the help. I have everything running as it should now. -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of Sarah Reichelt Sent: Thu 1/12/2006 7:57 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: adding to a stack > I am having trouble modifying a stack that I did not develop. It is a > simple questionnaire program that asks a variety of questions and > records the answers. The program uploads the questions from a .txt > file. I need to add more questions to the stack. To do this I need to > copy some of the previous cards, such as the instructions card, so > that they can be modified for the new surveys. I also need to copy > the question cards so that I can modify the number of response > options for the new questions. Also, I've tried starting from scratch > with new cards for the new surveys, however, the program adds them > where I don't want them, and I can't figure out how to move them. For > instance, a new card will be added as card #8, but I want it to be > card #3. I realize that these must be simple things to accomplish, > but it is my first time using Revolution. The questionnaire stack was > originally imported from Hypercard if that makes any difference. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. if you want to make a complete copy of an exiting card, go to it and type "clone this card" into the Message box. When you press Enter, a duplicate card will be created. If you look at the Inspector palette for a card, you will see a number. This is the order of the card in the stack and you can edit this number directly in the Inspector. HTH, Sarah _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revolution at jaedworks.com Thu Jan 12 22:15:29 2006 From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:15:29 -0800 Subject: importing graphic objects? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:08 PM -0800 1/12/2006, Timothy Miller wrote: >Speaking of documentation, I keep meaning to ask -- > >At many points in the onboard documentation, I read things such as this: > >To see a list of messages that can be sent to an audio clip as a >result of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the >"Transcript Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation >window, and choose "Audio Clip Messages" from the Show menu at the >top. To see a list of all the properties an audio clip can have, >choose "Audio Clip Properties" from the Show menu. > >Every time I try to follow those instructions, I fail and give up. >Is this orphan documentation? If not, where the heck is the stuff >they are talking about? There's a similar list in the current docs: click the Objects icon at the top, then click Objects in the list, then click Audioclip below that, then click Message. The diffference is that the Objects list provides only those messages that are received only by audio clips, not all messages an audio clip can receive. To get all of them, you need to check under "Any object" as well as under "Audioclip". (For controls such as buttons, you need to also check under "Control".) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com http://www.jaedworks.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jan 13 14:17:36 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:17:36 -0800 Subject: SoCal RUG meeting: January 20 Message-ID: <43C7FCD0.30004@fourthworld.com> Forgive the second notice, but I've come across a few RUG regulars who didn't get this first one so here's a reminder: The next SoCal Rev User Group meeting will be held at 7pm on Friday, January 20, at the Fourth World Embassy in downtown Los Angeles. Presentations are still being lined up, so if you have something you'd like to share let me know and I'll make a slot for you. The format is as usual: 7 - 8: presentation 8 - 9: dinner at Barbara's, the restaurant here in this complex 9 - 10: presentation Bonus: 10 - ?: Extreme Shuffleboard (Anyone who wants to stay late can enjoy drinks over a game of Extreme Shuffleboard. WARNING: Ken Ray will be here and he's been known to be a shuffleboard shark. If you haven't been here before just drop me a note and I'll send directions. Bring problems, questions, annoyances, or anything else you could use a hand with -- we always make time for those. Please RSVP so I can make sure I have enough refreshments and dessert. See ya' then - -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From scott at proherp.com Fri Jan 13 14:56:29 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:56:29 +1100 Subject: Sample QIF Import and Export In-Reply-To: <8C7E671AC3BC02D-DAC-2075@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c6187b$731cf740$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Paul, Thanks heaps for this!! :-) Scott From simplsol at aol.com Fri Jan 13 15:19:10 2006 From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:19:10 -0500 Subject: Sample QIF Import and Export In-Reply-To: <000b01c6187b$731cf740$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <8C7E695BF6A8909-9CC-3F5@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> Scott, Ask the right questions & I've got all the right answers ;-) Glad to help. PL -----Original Message----- From: Scott Kane To: 'How to use Revolution' Sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:56:29 +1100 Subject: RE: Sample QIF Import and Export Hi Paul, Thanks heaps for this!! :-) Scott _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pevensen at siboneylg.com Fri Jan 13 15:22:28 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:22:28 -0600 Subject: radio buttons & the keyboard Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113141754.0550b058@exchange.slg.com> I have created a group with radio buttons. If I click on a radio button, the other buttons are unselected and the clicked button is selected. HOWEVER, if I use tab to hilight a button and press space to select it, the other buttons are not unselected. Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? "Hilite one radio button at a time" (radioBehavior) is checked on the group, as is "Contents focus with keyboard" (traversalOn) This is on Rev 2.6.1 Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 13 15:24:46 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:24:46 -0600 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/13/06 9:24 AM, "liamlambert" wrote: > There is still a problem with this I tried the text of field tField > but no luck What problem are you getting? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From liamlambert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 15:28:20 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:28:20 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: <54F65E7F-242C-42FA-8146-1D20718A24BE@mac.com> There is nothing going into the Db The rest of the script is fine when I put the items into the Db one at time they go in. I am not getting any errors back. Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 13 15:32:09 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:09 -0600 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/13/06 9:24 AM, "liamlambert" wrote: > There is still a problem with this I tried the text of field tField > but no luck > > put > "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre > ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames > repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames > put "'" & cleanSQL(field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData > end repeat Do you set the itemDelimiter anywhere in the script prior to getting to this place? If so, the "repeat for each item" won't work because the delimiter is different. Can you post the whole script so one of us can figure it out? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jan 13 15:38:31 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:38:31 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> Message-ID: <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> Rob- Friday, January 13, 2006, 8:15:29 AM, you wrote: > I can run my Photo Portfolio standalone [almost 100 MB] from a UBC > Jump Drive or from a CD-ROM; but it takes well over a minute to load. I'm not surprised about the CDROM speeds - they're about the same as a floppy disk (...anybody remember floppy disks?). I can't find a good reference for UBC other than the U of British Columbia, but if you meant to say USB then you should consider switching to USB 2.0. The speed difference is dramatic. USB 1.1 transfer speeds are limited to 12MBits/second, while USB 2.0 can reach 480MBits/second. That should cut your minute down to a couple of seconds. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jan 13 15:41:23 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:41:23 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Rob- > > Friday, January 13, 2006, 8:15:29 AM, you wrote: > >> I can run my Photo Portfolio standalone [almost 100 MB] from a UBC >> Jump Drive or from a CD-ROM; but it takes well over a minute to load. > > I'm not surprised about the CDROM speeds - they're about the same as a > floppy disk (...anybody remember floppy disks?). I can't find a good > reference for UBC other than the U of British Columbia, but if you > meant to say USB then you should consider switching to USB 2.0. The > speed difference is dramatic. USB 1.1 transfer speeds are limited to > 12MBits/second, while USB 2.0 can reach 480MBits/second. That should > cut your minute down to a couple of seconds. I could be mistaken, but I believe the difference is also a function of the type of RAM used in flash drives, since non-volatile RAM is slower than the type we use in computer memory. I.e., a USB flash drive should be expected to be slower than a USB hard drive. Or so I think. Anyone got the facts on the speed difference between Flash RAM and normal RAM? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From liamlambert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 15:45:46 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:45:46 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: <878027BC-ACF2-45F6-9746-E6E8BFF2F2DB@mac.com> I have not set the itemDel on fSave global gConID if fld "total" is empty then answer error "THERE IS NO TOTAL" as sheet exit to top end if put "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames put "'" & cleanSQL (field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData end repeat put "INSERT INTO showDb (userID,name,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1 ,address2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID)" & \ " VALUES(null," & tRowData & ")" into tSQL put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tTmp put empty into fld "name1" put empty into fld "phone" put empty into fld "child" put empty into fld "adult" put empty into fld "total" put empty into fld "credit" put empty into fld "address" put empty into fld "address1" put empty into fld "address2" put empty into fld "email" put empty into fld "childprice" put empty into fld "adultprice" ----->refresh get fld "showid" put it into tshowid put "SELECT userid,name,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,seatNo,ticket,sho wid FROM showDb WHERE showid = '" & tshowid & "'" into tSQL --> EXECUTE SQL put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSQL) into tList put tList into fld "list" end fsave function cleanSQL pSQL --> THIS ESCAPES THE QUOTE PROBLEM IN SQL replace "'" with "''" in pSQL replace quote with quote & quote in pSQL --> THIS ESCAPES THE tab AND cr DELIMITERS --> IF YOU PLAN ON HAVING USERS ENTER cr AND tab THEN YOU ALSO NEED TO --> replace "*CR*" with cr IN THE RETURNED DATA! replace cr with "*CR*" in pSQL replace tab with "*TAB*" in pSQL return pSQL end cleanSQL Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From pevensen at siboneylg.com Fri Jan 13 15:53:30 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:53:30 -0600 Subject: radio buttons & the keyboard In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113141754.0550b058@exchange.slg.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113141754.0550b058@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113145302.02db8188@exchange.slg.com> I see that this is a bug, and has been verified. BZ # 2581 At 02:22 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >I have created a group with radio buttons. > >If I click on a radio button, the other buttons are unselected and the >clicked button is selected. HOWEVER, if I use tab to hilight a button and >press space to select it, the other buttons are not unselected. > >Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? > >"Hilite one radio button at a time" (radioBehavior) is checked on the >group, as is "Contents focus with keyboard" (traversalOn) > >This is on Rev 2.6.1 > >Peter T. Evensen >http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com >314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 13 16:04:01 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:04:01 -0600 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: <878027BC-ACF2-45F6-9746-E6E8BFF2F2DB@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/06 2:45 PM, "liamlambert" wrote: > I have not set the itemDel > > on fSave > global gConID > > if fld "total" is empty then > answer error "THERE IS NO TOTAL" as sheet exit to top > end if > > put > "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre > ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames > repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames > put "'" & cleanSQL (field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData > end repeat I noticed a space between "cleanSQL" and "(field tField)". Try removing the space and see how it goes... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From liamlambert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 16:11:07 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:11:07 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: <7580726D-2CB7-41EF-9AF8-9537B2E558DD@mac.com> That's not it Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From pevensen at siboneylg.com Fri Jan 13 16:50:22 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:50:22 -0600 Subject: get values from a stack Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113154900.02dbb490@exchange.slg.com> I thought I remembered that one could get values from fields of a stack without having to open (or go to) that stack. Is this true? I have a stack with data. This stack is never displayed. Do I have to "go invisible" to the stack before I can get the value of fields in that stack? Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 From klaus at major-k.de Fri Jan 13 16:57:42 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:57:42 +0100 Subject: get values from a stack In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113154900.02dbb490@exchange.slg.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113154900.02dbb490@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: <273B835F-1DFA-47BF-A1C1-CCCF8D12C627@major-k.de> Hi Peter, > I thought I remembered that one could get values from fields of a > stack without having to open (or go to) that stack. Is this true? Yes. > I have a stack with data. This stack is never displayed. Do I > have to "go invisible" to the stack before I can get the value of > fields in that stack? No, you can query whatever you want from a stack by simply providing the pathname: ... get fld 1 of cd 1 of stack "absolute/path/to/your/stack.rev" ... Hope that helps. > Peter T. Evensen > http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com > 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From pevensen at siboneylg.com Fri Jan 13 17:00:20 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:00:20 -0600 Subject: get values from a stack In-Reply-To: <273B835F-1DFA-47BF-A1C1-CCCF8D12C627@major-k.de> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113154900.02dbb490@exchange.slg.com> <273B835F-1DFA-47BF-A1C1-CCCF8D12C627@major-k.de> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113155925.02dbb9b0@exchange.slg.com> I wasn't specifying the path correctly. I was using the stack name vs. the stack filename. Accessing this does seem to load the stack in memory, though. Thanks! At 03:57 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >>I thought I remembered that one could get values from fields of a >>stack without having to open (or go to) that stack. Is this true? > >Yes. > >>I have a stack with data. This stack is never displayed. Do I >>have to "go invisible" to the stack before I can get the value of >>fields in that stack? > >No, you can query whatever you want from a stack by simply providing >the pathname: > >... >get fld 1 of cd 1 of stack "absolute/path/to/your/stack.rev" >... > >Hope that helps. > >>Peter T. Evensen >>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com >>314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 > >Best > >Klaus Major >klaus at major-k.de >http://www.major-k.de > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 From kray at sonsothunder.com Fri Jan 13 15:25:39 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:39 -0600 Subject: radio buttons & the keyboard In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113141754.0550b058@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/06 2:22 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" wrote: > I have created a group with radio buttons. > > If I click on a radio button, the other buttons are unselected and the > clicked button is selected. HOWEVER, if I use tab to hilight a button and > press space to select it, the other buttons are not unselected. > > Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? I think it's a bug... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From klaus at major-k.de Fri Jan 13 17:09:15 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:09:15 +0100 Subject: get values from a stack In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113155925.02dbb9b0@exchange.slg.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113154900.02dbb490@exchange.slg.com> <273B835F-1DFA-47BF-A1C1-CCCF8D12C627@major-k.de> <6.2.1.2.2.20060113155925.02dbb9b0@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: <4097D05F-EA06-4ED8-BC91-95A4E66922D5@major-k.de> Hi Peter, > I wasn't specifying the path correctly. I was using the stack name > vs. the stack filename. > Accessing this does seem to load the stack in memory, though. Yes, that's true. But invisible and with locked messages. > Thanks! Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From chipp at chipp.com Fri Jan 13 18:27:07 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:27:07 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C8374B.5060800@chipp.com> Hi Mark, Thanks for doing this! I've tried running this on WinXP, and browse to the C:/Windows/Media folder where there's a bunch of small wav files and I always get an error: Operators /: divide by zero on the line: set the cpStep of player "wsPlayer" of me to the width of grc "w1" / the cpDuration of player "wsPlayer" of me Any idea why? -Chipp Mark Smith wrote: > I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio > waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. > > Stack: AudioWaveform > User: Mark Smith > > Mark From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 18:36:55 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:36:55 -0800 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: <878027BC-ACF2-45F6-9746-E6E8BFF2F2DB@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/06 12:45 PM, "liamlambert" wrote: Try this version with 3 things... a field name spelling check and a bug fix after the repeat loop also a method of putting the var contents in the msg box so you can review ----------------------------------------- on fSave global gConID --intentionally misspelled the field name put "name1,phone,child,adultSSS" into tFieldNames repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames if there is not a field tField then answer "oooops, misspelling of " & tField exit to top end if put "'" & cleanSQL (field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData end repeat delete last char of tRowData -- this nukes a trailing comma --this is one of the dangers of a FOR EACH concatenation loop --either a starting or ending character to delete -- now, so you can see the result after exiting the loop put "tRowData contains" & cr & tRowData into msg end fSave function cleanSQL incmg return incmg end cleanSQL ------------------------------------------------- Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/13/06 12:45 PM, "liamlambert" wrote: > I have not set the itemDel > > on fSave > global gConID > > if fld "total" is empty then > answer error "THERE IS NO TOTAL" as sheet exit to top > end if > > put > "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre > ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames > repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames > put "'" & cleanSQL (field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData > end repeat > > > put "INSERT INTO showDb > (userID,name,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1 > ,address2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID)" & \ > " VALUES(null," & tRowData & ")" into tSQL > > put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQL) into tTmp > > > put empty into fld "name1" > put empty into fld "phone" > put empty into fld "child" > put empty into fld "adult" > put empty into fld "total" > put empty into fld "credit" > put empty into fld "address" > put empty into fld "address1" > put empty into fld "address2" > put empty into fld "email" > > put empty into fld "childprice" > put empty into fld "adultprice" > > > ----->refresh > get fld "showid" > put it into tshowid > put "SELECT > userid,name,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,seatNo,ticket,sho > wid FROM showDb WHERE showid = '" & tshowid & "'" into tSQL > --> EXECUTE SQL > put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSQL) into tList > put tList into fld "list" > end fsave > > > > function cleanSQL pSQL > --> THIS ESCAPES THE QUOTE PROBLEM IN SQL > replace "'" with "''" in pSQL > replace quote with quote & quote in pSQL > --> THIS ESCAPES THE tab AND cr DELIMITERS > --> IF YOU PLAN ON HAVING USERS ENTER cr AND tab THEN YOU ALSO > NEED TO > --> replace "*CR*" with cr IN THE RETURNED DATA! > replace cr with "*CR*" in pSQL > replace tab with "*TAB*" in pSQL > return pSQL > end cleanSQL > > Liam Lambert > liamlambert at mac.com > IRELAND > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 18:40:10 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:40:10 -0800 Subject: Formatting numbers Message-ID: <43C83A5A.2050809@comcast.net> Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas for a printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers ranging from small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to insert commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways to do it, but thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed up something nice. Thanks, Marty Knapp From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 18:43:49 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:43:49 +1000 Subject: externalsCommands In-Reply-To: References: <43C5F52B.1050805@chipp.com> Message-ID: OK, problem solved, but here it is for anyone else who needs it. This info applies to Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS X 10.4.3 I haven't tested it on any other systems. If you build a standalone that uses speech, the revspeech.bundle is included in the app package and all the speech commands and functions work. However testing whether they are there using: get the externalPackages of stack "Main" get the externalCommands of stack "Main" get the externalFunctions of stack "Main" all return empty. It is possible to set the externals of the stack directly using the full path to the revspeech.bundle but that seems unnecessary. If you need to test whether the speech library has really been loaded, you need to check another way. The standalone builder adds a stack called "revExternalLibrary" and makes it one of the stacksInUse. It is this stack that loads the external package, so you can test: get the externalPackages of stack "revExternalLibrary" get the externalCommands of stack "revExternalLibrary" get the externalFunctions of stack "revExternalLibrary" I don't know what other libraries this will apply to, I expect the XML library at least and possibly the database libraries. Hopefully this will stop others going through the same process I had to to find why my app thought that speech wouldn't work :-) Cheers, Sarah From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 18:44:35 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:44:35 -0800 Subject: Windows deployment Message-ID: <43C83B63.90005@comcast.net> I'm getting ready to release a program for Mac and Windows, but I'm mostly a Mac guy, so PC issues are pretty foreign to me. The program doesn't have any complex installation needs, but I've heard talk of the Windows Registry, write priviledges, etc. What do I need to know to distribute my app to Windows users? For testing this I've just been copying it to my Windows Desktop and running it from there. I've had no problems with that, but I'm sure there are things I need to be educated about. Thanks for any help, Marty Knapp From pevensen at siboneylg.com Fri Jan 13 18:46:44 2006 From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:46:44 -0600 Subject: Formatting numbers In-Reply-To: <43C83A5A.2050809@comcast.net> References: <43C83A5A.2050809@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113174307.02dbcf40@exchange.slg.com> Here is what I use, not sure if it the best, but it works for any size number: function AddNumberSeparator pValue local tDecimalPointPos, tLength, tSeparatorPosition put offset(".",pValue) into tDecimalPointPos put the number of chars in pValue into tLength if tDecimalPointPos is not zero then put tDecimalPointPos - 1 into tLength put tLength - 3 into tSeparatorPosition repeat while tSeparatorPosition > 0 put char 1 to tSeparatorPosition of pValue & "," & char tSeparatorPosition + 1 to -1 of pValue into pValue subtract 3 from tSeparatorPosition end repeat return pValue end AddNumberSeparator At 05:40 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas for a >printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers ranging from >small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to insert >commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways to do it, but >thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed up something nice. > >Thanks, > >Marty Knapp >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Peter T. Evensen http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 From liamlambert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 18:47:04 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:47:04 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: <64AE789A-60EA-43A1-B930-922D7E759E0B@mac.com> That sorted it out and thought me a lot as well. Thank you very much Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 18:50:33 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:50:33 +1000 Subject: Gathering User Info -- how much is spyware? In-Reply-To: <65873A95-EE52-475E-BA35-D27F1A605F2A@hindu.org> References: <65873A95-EE52-475E-BA35-D27F1A605F2A@hindu.org> Message-ID: > 1) how much more information can we gather? In particular the user's > RAM and hard drive space, as well as the presence of certain > applications. If these came back home and you put them into a back > end data base, you could do some very useful analyses of your user base. > > I believe I can search the archives for scripts that test for some > of these things, especially the latter (apps available on the box) > but if anyone has already developed a complete system check, please > do share it. Richard Gaskin has a gestalt handler that gathers all this sort of thing which I use. I think it is in the mailing list archives somewhere. > > 2) the second question is broader and possibly should go into a > different thread: if one were to deploy an app that might be put to > use by the 1000's (of public users...people you don't even know) and > you wanted your app to send info back to "the mother ship" -- at what > point does the "system check" start to evolve from "innocent > hardware-environment profile" to "spy-ware." > My preferred method is similar to yours: gather the data into an email and use the client's own email program to create the email. Then they can decide on a case by case basis, whether they want to send you that info or not. They can edit it and remove any parts that worry them, or they can refuse to send it at all. For me it is a 2 step process: firstly they have to decided to use the "Bug report" menu item, then they have to decided to click "Send" when the report email is generated. I don't see how this can possibly be considered "spyware", it's just too voluntary. Cheers, Sarah From scott at proherp.com Fri Jan 13 18:50:28 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:50:28 +1100 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <43C83B63.90005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401c6189c$26ca6140$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > I'm getting ready to release a program for Mac and Windows, but I'm > mostly a Mac guy, so PC issues are pretty foreign to me. The program > doesn't have any complex installation needs, but I've heard > talk of the > Windows Registry, write priviledges, etc. What do I need to know to > distribute my app to Windows users? For testing this I've just been > copying it to my Windows Desktop and running it from there. > I've had no > problems with that, but I'm sure there are things I need to > be educated > about. If you are not writing to the registry (which is done explicitly in your app') then you don't need to worry about that. As for installation location, 99% of the time - if a general small business or consumer application - the Program Files directory is fine. In the rare instance you can't write to this then let the user specify where to install it. Scott From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 19:08:07 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:08:07 -0800 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: <64AE789A-60EA-43A1-B930-922D7E759E0B@mac.com> Message-ID: Happy you are beyond this challenge.. on to the next !! :-) Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/13/06 3:47 PM, "liamlambert" wrote: > That sorted it out and thought me a lot as well. > Thank you very much > Liam Lambert > liamlambert at mac.com > IRELAND > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 19:14:23 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:14:23 -0800 Subject: repeat with In-Reply-To: <878027BC-ACF2-45F6-9746-E6E8BFF2F2DB@mac.com> Message-ID: Liam, One more suggestion when working with SQL strings... try the following... put "'" into ap --stands for apostrophe put ap & cleanSQL (field tField) & ap & "," after tRowData which is much easier to read and type than put "'" & cleanSQL (field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData instead, you could use put numtochar(39) into ap Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/13/06 12:45 PM, "liamlambert" wrote: > I have not set the itemDel > > on fSave > global gConID > > if fld "total" is empty then > answer error "THERE IS NO TOTAL" as sheet exit to top > end if > > put > "name1,phone,child,adult,total,credit,paymenttype,address,address1,addre > ss2,email,seatNo,ticket,showID" into tFieldNames > repeat for each item tField in tFieldNames > put "'" & cleanSQL (field tField) & "'" & "," after tRowData > end repeat > > From kkaufman at snet.net Fri Jan 13 19:37:14 2006 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:37:14 -0500 Subject: sound recording stack available? Message-ID: Does anyone have an example of a simple stack used to make audio recordings? It would have to work on Windows with a minimum of fuss. Simple interface; just "Record" (with an indication of elapsed recording time) and "Save". I'd be interested both in what might be possible on Windows with and without Quicktime. Thank you, Kurt From liamlambert at mac.com Fri Jan 13 19:46:05 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:46:05 +0000 Subject: repeat with Message-ID: These are the sort of challenges I enjoy. Thank Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 19:52:26 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:52:26 -0800 Subject: Formatting numbers In-Reply-To: <43C83A5A.2050809@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 1/13/06 3:40 PM, "Marty Knapp" wrote: > Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas for a > printed report? --Try this ... using recursion (a func calling itself repeatedly) :-) ---------- start copy here --------------------------------- function commaStart pNumber set the itemdel to "." return commaNext(item 1 of pNumber) & "." & item 2 of pNumber end commaStart function commaNext pSegment put char -3 to -1 of pSegment into tPart get char 1 to -4 of pSegment if char -3 of it is not empty then get commaNext(it) return it & comma & tPart end commaNext ---end of the functions here --------------------------------------- --you can do a quick test by copying all this code into a new stack script and double clicking on mousedoubleup put 24564646543456789.22 into origNumber put commaStart(origNumber) & " < "& origNumber into msg end mousedoubleup ----- end copy of test code---------------- --This is a two-part function, commaStart() and commaNext(). You need both for this to work. --The function commaNext will be called as often as there is more than 3 chars left in pSegment. This is called recursion and is used especially int the cas of walking down all sub folder paths --The key line of code is "get char 1 to -4 of pSegment" which captures the remaining digits. If there are more than 3, then we need to call commaNext again. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/13/06 3:40 PM, "Marty Knapp" wrote: > Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas for a > printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers ranging from > small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to insert > commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways to do it, > but thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed up something > nice. > > Thanks, > > Marty Knapp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 19:54:11 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:54:11 -0800 Subject: Formatting numbers In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060113174307.02dbcf40@exchange.slg.com> References: <43C83A5A.2050809@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20060113174307.02dbcf40@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: <43C84BB3.50401@comcast.net> Thanks Peter, I'll give it a whirl. Marty > Here is what I use, not sure if it the best, but it works for any size > number: > > function AddNumberSeparator pValue > local tDecimalPointPos, tLength, tSeparatorPosition > > put offset(".",pValue) into tDecimalPointPos > put the number of chars in pValue into tLength > if tDecimalPointPos is not zero then put tDecimalPointPos - 1 into > tLength > put tLength - 3 into tSeparatorPosition > repeat while tSeparatorPosition > 0 > put char 1 to tSeparatorPosition of pValue & "," & char > tSeparatorPosition + 1 to -1 of pValue into pValue > subtract 3 from tSeparatorPosition > end repeat > return pValue > > end AddNumberSeparator > > At 05:40 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote: > >> Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas >> for a printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers >> ranging from >> small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to >> insert commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways >> to do it, but thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed >> up something nice. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Knapp > From chipp at chipp.com Fri Jan 13 22:27:54 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:27:54 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> Just guessing, but even if it's non-volatile RAM, I would expect it to be faster than a hard drive as typically RAM writes are significantly faster than hard disk writes (think of your virtual memory cache). -Chipp Richard Gaskin wrote: > I could be mistaken, but I believe the difference is also a function of > the type of RAM used in flash drives, since non-volatile RAM is slower > than the type we use in computer memory. I.e., a USB flash drive should > be expected to be slower than a USB hard drive. From mark at maseurope.net Fri Jan 13 22:46:52 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:46:52 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <43C8374B.5060800@chipp.com> References: <43C8374B.5060800@chipp.com> Message-ID: <466A6EA1-805B-48E4-A571-0877CB595EFD@maseurope.net> Still tracking down some bugs, as well as trying to find out how to read binary data that 'binaryDecode' doesn't cover. However, I've just uploaded another version, which I think should fix this. Please let me know if it's fixed, off list, if you prefer. If it isn't, then in the 'setProp cpStartEndPoints' at near the top of the group script, comment out the line 'setPlayerZoom' until you've sucessfully loaded a file, then you can uncomment it. It's needed in the fancy player zoom stuff, which is a bit spaghetti like, just at the moment, and needs to be sorted out.... Mark On 13 Jan 2006, at 23:27, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for doing this! > > I've tried running this on WinXP, and browse to the C:/Windows/ > Media folder where there's a bunch of small wav files and I always > get an error: > > Operators /: divide by zero > > on the line: > > set the cpStep of player "wsPlayer" of me to the width of grc > "w1" / the cpDuration of player "wsPlayer" of me > > > Any idea why? > > -Chipp > > Mark Smith wrote: >> I've put an early version of a grouped control for showing audio >> waveforms in rev up on RevOnline. >> Stack: AudioWaveform >> User: Mark Smith >> Mark > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 22:57:50 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:57:50 -0800 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <001401c6189c$26ca6140$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <001401c6189c$26ca6140$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C876BE.8050803@comcast.net> Thanks Scott, What if I want to save data in text files into the same directory/folder as the app (or a sub folder)? Marty >>I'm getting ready to release a program for Mac and Windows, but I'm >>mostly a Mac guy, so PC issues are pretty foreign to me. The program >>doesn't have any complex installation needs, but I've heard >>talk of the >>Windows Registry, write priviledges, etc. What do I need to know to >>distribute my app to Windows users? For testing this I've just been >>copying it to my Windows Desktop and running it from there. >>I've had no >>problems with that, but I'm sure there are things I need to >>be educated >>about. >> >> > >If you are not writing to the registry (which is done explicitly in >your app') then you don't need to worry about that. As for installation >location, 99% of the time - if a general small business or consumer >application - >the Program Files directory is fine. In the rare instance you can't >write to this >then let the user specify where to install it. > >Scott > > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jan 13 23:24:31 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:24:31 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> Message-ID: <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > Just guessing, but even if it's non-volatile RAM, I would expect it to > be faster than a hard drive as typically RAM writes are significantly > faster than hard disk writes (think of your virtual memory cache). Very different mechanism under the hood, from what little I know. I was able to turn up an interview with Seagate CEO Bill Watkins which addresses this: If you want to have a very rich audio or video experience, no matter what you do, you're going to need a hard drive. Flash memory can't handle the data rates that a hard drive can. The data rates on flash are too slow to handle high-quality video and audio. I still haven't found specifics on Flash drive speed relative to hard drives, but at least we have one authoritative voice to confirm what we see in our own experience: Flash drives are convenient, but not necessarily zippy. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From scott at proherp.com Sat Jan 14 00:21:29 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:21:29 +1100 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <43C876BE.8050803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201c618ca$64354170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Marty, > Thanks Scott, > What if I want to save data in text files into the same > directory/folder > as the app (or a sub folder)? It's the same deal. Most times the Program Files folder will be just fine. If it isn't let the user specify a location. I routinely install (via my installer) software onto users systems (they download it and the installer puts it in the default position - Program Files - in a folder with my company name. Below that folder I put the application name and below that again I put the data directory. Generally database and configuration files go in the data directory). In the fifteen years of Windows 32 I've not had a situation where the Program Files folder was a problem. Those who wanted to install elsewhere are given the option at install time. Cheers Scott From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 14 00:49:52 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:49:52 -0800 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <000201c618ca$64354170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000201c618ca$64354170$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C89100.8090003@comcast.net> Do you have any recommendations as far as installer programs? Thanks, Marty >>Thanks Scott, >>What if I want to save data in text files into the same >>directory/folder >>as the app (or a sub folder)? >> >> > >It's the same deal. Most times the Program Files folder >will be just fine. If it isn't let the user specify a >location. I routinely install (via my installer) software >onto users systems (they download it and the installer >puts it in the default position - Program Files - in >a folder with my company name. Below that folder I >put the application name and below that again I put the >data directory. Generally database and configuration >files go in the data directory). In the fifteen years >of Windows 32 I've not had a situation where the Program >Files folder was a problem. Those who wanted to install >elsewhere are given the option at install time. > >Cheers > >Scott > > From scott at proherp.com Sat Jan 14 00:57:02 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:57:02 +1100 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <43C89100.8090003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c618cf$5c56b100$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > Do you have any recommendations as far as installer programs? Thanks, Yes. I use INNO Setup: http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php It's free and works a treat. If you download it go for the Quick Start Pack. It includes a GUI to build your setup files - rather than hand scripting. There is another option that I've been considering built for Rev. It's here: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ Unlike INNO it is cross platform. It's $19.95. I know Chipp has had something to do with this product (he did the screen shots I believe) and I *think* Alt products use it. Given that it will certainly be a good tool too. Scott From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Sat Jan 14 01:15:25 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0500 Subject: Formatting numbers In-Reply-To: <20060114033729.39041825AE1@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060114033729.39041825AE1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6572C6F1-510F-4784-9A97-5C3C196C4932@videotron.ca> Hello Marty, I use the following. It could use a little editing, but it works with positive and negative real numbers. Gregory function commaFormat x if x is not a number then return "Error: not a number" exit commaFormat else put trunc(abs(x)) into truncAbsX repeat until length(truncAbsX) mod 3 = 0 put "d" before truncAbsX add 1 to dCount end repeat repeat with i=1 to (length(truncAbsX) div 3) put char 1 to 3 of truncAbsX into item i of y delete char 1 to 3 of truncAbsX end repeat if dCount > 0 then delete char 1 to dCount of first item of y if x < 0 then put "-" before y if abs(x-trunc(x)) is not 0 then add abs(x-trunc(x)) to last item of y return y end if end commaFormat On 13-Jan-06, at 10:37 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:40:10 -0800 > From: Marty Knapp > Subject: Formatting numbers > To: Revolution User List > Message-ID: <43C83A5A.2050809 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas > for a > printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers ranging from > small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to > insert > commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways to do it, > but thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed up > something > nice. > > Thanks, > > Marty Knapp From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 14 01:28:26 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:28:26 -0800 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <000401c618cf$5c56b100$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000401c618cf$5c56b100$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: <43C89A0A.6010605@comcast.net> Hey Scott, Thanks for the input, I appreciate your help. Marty >>Do you have any recommendations as far as installer programs? Thanks, >> >> > >Yes. I use INNO Setup: > >http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php > >It's free and works a treat. If you download it go for >the Quick Start Pack. It includes a GUI to build your >setup files - rather than hand scripting. There is another >option that I've been considering built for Rev. It's >here: > >http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/ > >Unlike INNO it is cross platform. It's $19.95. >I know Chipp has had something to do with this >product (he did the screen shots I believe) and >I *think* Alt products use it. Given that it >will certainly be a good tool too. > >Scott > > From scott at proherp.com Sat Jan 14 01:29:12 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:29:12 +1100 Subject: Windows deployment In-Reply-To: <43C89A0A.6010605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601c618d3$d9c48960$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi Marty, > Thanks for the input, I appreciate your help. You are most welcome. :-) Scott From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no Sat Jan 14 01:31:36 2006 From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:31:36 +0100 Subject: sound recording stack available? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1137220296.43c89ac8e4c29@webmail.uib.no> Quoting Kurt Kaufman : > Does anyone have an example of a simple stack used to make audio > recordings? It would have to work on Windows with a minimum of > fuss. Simple interface; just "Record" (with an indication of elapsed > recording time) and "Save". I'd be interested both in what might be > possible on Windows with and without Quicktime. In Rev Online - User spaces under "sms" I have a stack called RecPlayWawMCI which may be of help. Signe Marie Sanne From chipp at chipp.com Sat Jan 14 01:52:19 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:19 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <43C89FA3.4000709@chipp.com> Hmmm, Interesting. I was able to find some benchmarking: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/05/20/data_transfer_on_the_run/page11.html and at 20Mb/second for some USB 2.0 flash drives, I doubt it really matters which is faster. best, Chipp Richard Gaskin wrote: > I still haven't found specifics on Flash drive speed relative to hard > drives, but at least we have one authoritative voice to confirm what we > see in our own experience: Flash drives are convenient, but not > necessarily zippy. From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Jan 14 02:42:58 2006 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:42:58 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C89FA3.4000709@chipp.com> Message-ID: I have to say I find it amusing that this "portable apps" concept is being touted as "the next big thing". In days of old, virtually all Mac system 7/8 apps were "portable" -- it didn't matter from which location they were run. Then came the push to follow the Windows lead of having assigned locations for files that led to the designated Application/Document/etc folders and users were expected to follow the conventions. Now the pendulum swings back the other way and "portable apps" are a "new idea". Make up your minds, people. :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ----- E: scott at tactilemedia.com W: http://www.tactilemedia.com From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat Jan 14 03:00:10 2006 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:00:10 +0100 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> Message-ID: At 8:28 AM -0500 1/13/06, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >Safe Portable App-ing Would using the 'Portable Apps' with a flash drive (whatever you wish to call them) be a non-runner with any corporate situation? I cannot imagine businesses being very enthusiastic about the possibility of employees being able to copy data and leaving the office with that data (credit card info, health info, guided missile blueprints, Ken Ray's 'secret shuffleboard techniques guidebook', ;-) ). Aren't flash drives banned from office environments? Wouldn't this be a consumer only thing? ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006 www.techietours.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 14 03:28:50 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:50 -0800 Subject: Formatting numbers In-Reply-To: <6572C6F1-510F-4784-9A97-5C3C196C4932@videotron.ca> References: <20060114033729.39041825AE1@mail.runrev.com> <6572C6F1-510F-4784-9A97-5C3C196C4932@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <43C8B642.8050401@comcast.net> Thanks to Gregory, Jim and Peter on my comma insertion question - three great solutions! This is a great list. Marty Knapp From chipp at chipp.com Sat Jan 14 03:34:10 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:34:10 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <43C8B782.8090301@chipp.com> Sims, Originally, the thread started with the concept to let users have the option of installing their applications on a portable drive, not necessarily make it the default. Most apps allow users to save data anywhere they like, including usb drives, fileservers, webservers, local disks, etc. So I'm not sure Ken's 'secret shuffleboard techniques guidebook' may stay secret for long! -Chipp sims wrote: > At 8:28 AM -0500 1/13/06, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Safe Portable App-ing > > > Would using the 'Portable Apps' with a flash drive (whatever you wish > to call them) be a non-runner with any corporate situation? > > I cannot imagine businesses being very enthusiastic about the > possibility of employees being able to copy data and leaving the > office with that data (credit card info, health info, guided missile > blueprints, Ken Ray's 'secret shuffleboard techniques guidebook', ;-) ). From mlange at lexicall.org Sat Jan 14 06:57:12 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:57:12 +0000 Subject: Lexicall update Message-ID: Dear all, That's it, I changed of provider for a better and more reliable one. This means that there will be further interruption of service for a day or two, the time for the re-routing etc. to be set in place. I was planning a smooth change to a new provider very soon, the recent problems forced an emergency one. Sorry for that. These guys have a very interesting approach to business. I contacted them 2 months ago because they advertised on their webpage a far better service for a business account than the one I had with them... a business account. I asked whether an upgrade was possible. They told me I was dreaming. I asked whether I would be upgraded when my contract would be renewed, they told me again I was dreaming. I was on one of the "old" servers. The better service was only on the "new" servers and they will just keep me on the old server, even when I would pay for a new yearly subscription. If I wanted a change, I had to cancel my contract and sign a new one... take a backup before closing my account, restore everything by myself after the transfer. Now, they suspended my account without any warning and without any explanation for this other that my website has been very active over the last week (yes, I have been working on it all the time!)... apparently, they have spent many hours on this and couldn't find a cause for this in terms of script running (I have no cron job, no other script than the ones in php pages). Well you get an idea of what you get when your service provider is probably nothing more than 4 guys with a few machines in a basement. Anyway, I put more bucks into this, now I have unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth, so hopefully this is to last. Apologizes again. Marielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From christian.langers at education.lu Sat Jan 14 07:27:13 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:27:13 +0100 Subject: display recordLoudness Message-ID: Hello all, I've made a testing stack to display the recording loudness ; it will be a part of my educational project where the children will have a visual feedback when they speak ; as I do not know the exact values for proper soundrecording I set the values I think the best... but if someone has more precise information on that matter, please comment :-) The stack can be found : Users : Lao Stack : display RecordLoudness scripts are in the buttons... Thanks for any suggestion on how to improve the visual feedback (you're welcome to modify the stack....) Christian L. Luxembourg From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net Sat Jan 14 09:49:25 2006 From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:25 -0500 Subject: icon for standalone Message-ID: <001201c61919$b99feb20$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> I have tried a couple of ways to make an icon for a standalone app for Windows but I keep getting error messages about missing sizes for the ICO file. Can anyone recommend a tool and procedure for this task? From europe at ehug.info Sat Jan 14 10:16:58 2006 From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:16:58 +0100 Subject: icon for standalone In-Reply-To: <001201c61919$b99feb20$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> References: <001201c61919$b99feb20$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Message-ID: <43C915EA.9030009@ehug.info> Iconographer is a nice tool to create icon files. Photoshop or any other image editor can be used to design your icons. Use a search engine to find more tools on the internet. Mark Preston Shea wrote: > I have tried a couple of ways to make an icon for a > standalone app for Windows but I keep getting error messages > about missing sizes for the ICO file. Can anyone recommend a > tool and procedure for this task? -- eHUG coordinator mailto:europe at ehug.info http://www.ehug.info http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch http://www.economy-x-talk.com Please inform me about vacancies in the field of general economics at your institute. I am also looking for new freelance programming projects. From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sat Jan 14 10:35:21 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:35:21 +0100 Subject: icon for standalone In-Reply-To: <001201c61919$b99feb20$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> References: <001201c61919$b99feb20$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Message-ID: <77FDEB76-D7C3-4077-BB0D-B8168A9BC79E@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Preston Just get Chipp Walters's tutorial at http://www.altuit.com/webs/ altuit2/StandaloneBuilderTutorial/PDFdocument.htm :-) Le 14 janv. 06 ? 15:49, Preston Shea a ?crit : > I have tried a couple of ways to make an icon for a standalone app > for Windows but I keep getting error messages about missing sizes > for the ICO file. Can anyone recommend a tool and procedure for > this task? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Sat Jan 14 10:59:20 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:59:20 -0600 Subject: icon for standalone In-Reply-To: <001201c61919$b99feb20$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97> Message-ID: On 1/14/06 8:49 AM, "Preston Shea" wrote: > I have tried a couple of ways to make an icon for a standalone app for Windows > but I keep getting error messages about missing sizes for the ICO file. Can > anyone recommend a tool and procedure for this task? If you're on a Mac, I'd recommend using Iconographer; makes both Mac and Windows icons. If you're only on Windows, I'd suggest Axialis IconWorkshop - sweet interface, lets you library icons, etc. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com Sat Jan 14 11:23:36 2006 From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:23:36 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> Message-ID: YES the newer solid drives are fast enough to real-time record 2 channels of 24/96 audio, if that can be used as a benchmark!. sqb >Just guessing, but even if it's non-volatile RAM, I would expect it >to be faster than a hard drive as typically RAM writes are >significantly faster than hard disk writes (think of your virtual >memory cache). > >-Chipp > >Richard Gaskin wrote: > >>I could be mistaken, but I believe the difference is also a >>function of the type of RAM used in flash drives, since >>non-volatile RAM is slower than the type we use in computer memory. >>I.e., a USB flash drive should be expected to be slower than a USB >>hard drive. > > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From rcozens at pon.net Sat Jan 14 11:28:31 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:28:31 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114081449.019976b0@pon.net> Bongu Jim, >I cannot imagine businesses being very enthusiastic about the >possibility of employees being able to copy data and leaving the >office with that data (credit card info, health info, guided missile >blueprints, Ken Ray's 'secret shuffleboard techniques guidebook', Removable media [Bernouli cartridges] made sense to me as IS manager of Omega Corp. in the mid 1980s, and it still makes sense to me in any business where the ratio of computers to computer users is less than one-to-one. Removable media makes it possible for users to share a computer but maintain total control of access to their individual documents, data files, etc. Yes today's computers support user sign-in and file access protection; but physically separating the computer from your personal files provides a higher level of security, me thinks. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From rcozens at pon.net Sat Jan 14 11:37:13 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:37:13 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114083106.0199bda8@pon.net> Mark, et al: >if you >meant to say USB then you should consider switching to USB 2.0. Yes, I did; and yes the USB ports on my TPC are 2.0. I'm not sure of the rating of the Jump Drive and don't have the specs handy. I personally use the USB drive almost exclusive for transferring files between computers; so performance is not the issue. I will spend some time this AM measuring 100 MB standalone loading time from internal drive, Jump Drive, and CD. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com Sat Jan 14 11:44:06 2006 From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:44:06 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Still - he faces a future where solid state drives might eventually render the HD useless...so he's biased... > >I was able to turn up an interview with Seagate CEO Bill Watkins >which addresses this: > > If you want to have a very rich audio or video experience, > no matter what you do, you're going to need a hard drive. > Flash memory can't handle the data rates that a hard drive > can. The data rates on flash are too slow to handle > high-quality video and audio. > > > > >I still haven't found specifics on Flash drive speed relative to >hard drives, but at least we have one authoritative voice to confirm >what we see in our own experience: Flash drives are convenient, but >not necessarily zippy. > >-- > Richard Gaskin -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Jan 14 11:58:09 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:58:09 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> Stephen Barncard wrote: > ..so he's biased... Who isn't? I think we've seen in this thread enough evidence that IF you're using USB 2.0 and IF you have one of the most recent Flash drives, the speed difference is negligible. And considering growth in this sector, I'd be surprised if relatively few drives which currently support comparable transfer rates didn't become the majority in under a year. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From rcozens at pon.net Sat Jan 14 12:44:45 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:44:45 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> Richard, et al: >I think we've seen in this thread enough evidence that IF you're >using USB 2.0 and IF you have one of the most recent Flash drives, >the speed difference is negligible. Here are my results, timed by stopwatch & repeated twice, from the second mouse click on the 91+ MB app to the first appearance on screen: Platform-- TCP/Win XP USB 2.0 Apple Powerbook/Mac OSX USB 1(?*) Internal Drive-- 10 sec 8 sec Jump Drive (USB) 19 sec 1 min, 50 seconds Firewire Ext. CD 38 sec Internal CD 1 min * Apple system profiler rates the USB port at "up to 12MB/sec", yet actual performance is worse than the internal CD (.83 MB/sec). To me the key then becomes what per centage of users don't have USB 2.0...unless you have a song & dance ready to distract them for two minutes. :{`) Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From soapdog at mac.com Sat Jan 14 12:49:34 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:49:34 -0200 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> Message-ID: <21EB189E-3579-4B16-9CB0-D0B147B0E0D5@mac.com> On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Rob Cozens wrote: > To me the key then becomes what per centage of users don't have USB > 2.0...unless you have a song & dance ready to distract them for two > minutes Can't you load everything into a RAM disk like thing? for example, your app shows a "wait while I dress up.", load everything into a ram disk (A disk image on macs...), then work from there? Disk images should be very fast, then when you quit the app, it can comit the changes back to the pendrive... there would be a loading and a saving delay, but the rest of the user experience should work, or am I missing something? (I am late on the thread, internet is weird in here...) Cheers andre From rcozens at pon.net Sat Jan 14 12:59:27 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:59:27 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114095413.0196ca28@pon.net> All: >To me the key then becomes what per centage of users don't have USB >2.0...unless you have a song & dance ready to distract them for two >minutes. :{`) OTOH, once a self-contained Rev standalone is loaded, it's entirely in RAM; so the downside is only experienced during initialization. Of course the bottleneck still applies if the standalone opens other stacks during runtime. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From rcozens at pon.net Sat Jan 14 13:06:47 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:06:47 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <21EB189E-3579-4B16-9CB0-D0B147B0E0D5@mac.com> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> <21EB189E-3579-4B16-9CB0-D0B147B0E0D5@mac.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114100120.00f61220@pon.net> Hi Andre, >I am late on the thread, Chipp is proposing to leave his computer at the office and take his software to client/demo sites on a USB drive and run it from same. He asked for others' thoughts, and I noted how long large applications took to load via USB on my Powerbook. Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat Jan 14 13:22:08 2006 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:08 +0100 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114081449.019976b0@pon.net> References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114081449.019976b0@pon.net> Message-ID: At 8:28 AM -0800 1/14/06, Rob Cozens wrote: > >Removable media [Bernouli cartridges] made sense to me as IS manager >of Omega Corp. in the mid 1980s, and it still makes sense to me in >any business where the ratio of computers to computer users is less >than one-to-one. > >Removable media makes it possible for users to share a computer but >maintain total control of access to their individual documents, data >files, etc. Yes today's computers support user sign-in and file >access protection; but physically separating the computer from your >personal files provides a higher level of security, me thinks. About three months ago I was thinking of selling an application designed for corporate employees, I was proposing to place this app onto a flash drive for ease of use and to make the users data more portable. I talked with a sales manager for scientific software, a distributor across Europe, I talked with a fellow who recently retired from his job a general manager (Europe) of a well known 'pen tablet' input device, I also talked to fellow who has been a software distributor to corporations for over ten years. All stated that it would NOT be accepted in any corporate environment in Europe as corporations were banning the use of such devices by people in the office. No employees were allowed to use such a device in the office. My question: is it common practise in the USA to allow employees to use flash drives in an office setting? ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006 www.techietours.com From chipp at chipp.com Sat Jan 14 14:28:39 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:28:39 -0600 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114100120.00f61220@pon.net> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> <21EB189E-3579-4B16-9CB0-D0B147B0E0D5@mac.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114100120.00f61220@pon.net> Message-ID: <43C950E7.8070205@chipp.com> Andre, Actually, that's not the real genesis of this thread. I'm thinking of converting my commercial apps to 'portable' apps, that way when people purchase them, they can have the option of putting them on a removable drive if they wish. There are a few other positive upsides to this as well. See the beginning of this thread I started. -Chipp Rob Cozens wrote: > Hi Andre, > > >I am late on the thread, > > Chipp is proposing to leave his computer at the office and take his > software to client/demo sites on a USB drive and run it from same. > > He asked for others' thoughts, and I noted how long large applications > took to load via USB on my Powerbook. From Camm29 at tesco.net Sat Jan 14 14:26:28 2006 From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:28 -0000 Subject: Serial communication References: <20060112223734.CECFA8259A3@mail.runrev.com> <6B379D67-A196-46F2-93B8-C6E0C51BEB97@dvkconsult.com.au> Message-ID: <000101c61941$2b7e3d60$0a01a8c0@mobile1> David , That's just what i needed , i just had mental blockage you made it look so easy. Kind Regards Camm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Vaughan" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: Re: Serial communication > > On 13/01/2006, at 9:37, Camm29" wrote: > > > > David thanks , that's seems to do the trick. > > Any ideas how to break out of repeat loops in say 10 seconds as a > > timeout ? > > Glad it worked for you. > > I take it you want a loop to execute but stop after an amount of time > apart from any other condition. > Leaving aside mechanisms which will simply kill the handler, you > will probably need to check the time before the loop, add ten seconds > to it and then inside the loop check the current time to see if you > have reached that the nominated expiry time yet. > e.g. > put the seconds + 10 into expiry > put false into timedOut > repeat > > if the seconds > expiry then > put true into timedOut > exit repeat > end if > end repeat > -- Now checking timedOut will tell you under what condition you did > exited, normally or by time. > > Does anyone have a more elegant solution for this? > > regards > David > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Jan 14 14:40:09 2006 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:40:09 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> References: <43C6F940.3090401@chipp.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060113081048.019f6930@pon.net> <7015070580.20060113123831@ahsoftware.net> <43C81073.2010709@fourthworld.com> <43C86FBA.7090909@chipp.com> <43C87CFF.9080505@fourthworld.com> <43C92DA1.5090506@fourthworld.com> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114092839.019e4460@pon.net> Message-ID: <406445668.20060114114009@ahsoftware.net> Rob- Saturday, January 14, 2006, 9:44:45 AM, you wrote: > * Apple system profiler rates the USB port at "up to 12MB/sec", yet > actual performance is worse than the internal CD (.83 MB/sec). That's a USB 1.x port on the computer (sometimes referred to as "full speed") as opposed to a USB 2.0 port (referred to as "high speed"). It doesn't matter whether you connect 1.x or 2.x devices to it, you can still only drive the computer's port at 1.x speed. And remember that the "up to 12MB/sec" spec is megaBITS, not bytes, so divide it roughly by ten to get throughput. ...and yes, that's a theoretical maximum speed, like defining modems as 56k. You'll never acheive that in practice. Even so, I'm surprised at the slowness of the mac's port - I would have expected twice that speed. I don't have any USB 1.x ports over here to run a comparable test on. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From capellan2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 15:40:23 2006 From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:40:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <20060113070853.29000825857@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <20060114204023.91118.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> on Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:04:31 +0000 Mark Smith wrote: > Now updated. Fixed the file thing, and have > added a player with moving cursor ... > and you can zoom and scroll while playing. Excellent work, Mark! Thanks for sharing this stack. You developed it in Mac OS X. How could i use this Windows XP? Thanks in advance. al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 14 15:45:26 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:45:26 -0800 Subject: Bundle Identifier Message-ID: <43C962E6.8070203@comcast.net> Hi all, In the standalone setting for an OSX build, there's a piece of information refered to as the "Bundle Indentifier" and the tooltip says "NSBundleIdentifier." I don't see anything in the Docs about it. What is this and do I need to be concerned with it? Thanks, Marty Knapp From jspencer78 at mac.com Sat Jan 14 16:22:20 2006 From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:22:20 -0600 Subject: Bundle Identifier In-Reply-To: <43C962E6.8070203@comcast.net> References: <43C962E6.8070203@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7858F2A6-3E69-4555-B054-3B60267DD901@mac.com> I suspect that the tooltip is not only not terribly helpful but is also a typo and should be CFBundleIdentifier which is used by the preferences system. From Apple's documentation: "This key specifies a unique identifier string for the bundle. This identifier should be in the form of a Java-style package name, for example com.mycompany.myapp. The bundle identifier can be used to locate the bundle at runtime. The preferences system uses this string to identify applications uniquely." (The "key" referred to here is the key in the info plist) Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN jspencer78 at mac.com "Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges!" On Jan 14, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > Hi all, > > In the standalone setting for an OSX build, there's a piece of > information refered to as the "Bundle Indentifier" and the tooltip > says "NSBundleIdentifier." > > I don't see anything in the Docs about it. What is this and do I > need to be concerned with it? > > Thanks, > Marty Knapp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From office at praxmatrix.com Sat Jan 14 16:33:33 2006 From: office at praxmatrix.com (praxMatrix Internet Services) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:33:33 +0100 Subject: xml and utf-8 attribute Message-ID: I'm having a lot of trouble getting the right characters to appear for an XML attribute. The file loads correctly and displays the English words with no problems but the translation attribute returns garbled characters. The XML is encoded as UTF-8. I've tried implementing the various suggestions I've found in the archives re uniDecode / htmlText etc but am having no luck. The languages I am trying to use are Spanish, French and Polish. Any pointers or links to tutorials would be very helpful. This is the typical format of the XML file: This is the tanscript code that pushes the 'trans' attribute into the field: put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") into field "trans" And this is the typical output for non English characters: Espa??a Thanks. Anthony Hughes praxMatrix Ltd. From rick-rice at shaw.ca Sat Jan 14 17:12:44 2006 From: rick-rice at shaw.ca (Rick Rice) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:12:44 -0800 Subject: PDF and PPT Message-ID: <660a14a6f7f04343a560494da10b5486@shaw.ca> I know this must have been covered before, but how do I open a PDF file and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev? I want to do this on both Mac and Win platforms. Thanks Rick From scott at proherp.com Sat Jan 14 17:50:45 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:50:45 +1100 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c6195c$f9fcfcb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > I have to say I find it amusing that this "portable apps" > concept is being touted as "the next big thing". In days of > old, virtually all Mac system 7/8 apps were "portable" -- it > didn't matter from which location they were run. Then came > the push to follow the Windows lead of having assigned > locations for files that led to the designated > Application/Document/etc folders and users were expected to > follow the conventions. Now the pendulum swings back the > other way and "portable apps" are a "new idea". Same thing happened with DOS in the early days. Most app's could be placed anywhere (we began coding IBM PC's with two floppy drives. One for the OS and one for the compiler and IDE). Then came languages like Clipper where you had to not only place it in the directory the developer indicated, but also modify config.sys and autoexec.bat in order to run the app's (Clipper was notorious for that). Windows 3.1x continued that tradition (of being anywhere on the drive - except moving it would break the installation of the program) until Win 9x. Win 9x forced directories to be in certain places. While you could install anywhere you could not move it once installed (at least not easily). MS declared that the registry was the place to write for configuration information - until Win 2K when they declared you should no longer write to the registry (as the registry became a huge bottleneck) but rather to the old Win 3.1x ini files. Microsoft are there own worst enemy. Scott From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 18:59:54 2006 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: video content: kids dancing In-Reply-To: <43C71539.2030600@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <20060114235954.15767.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Street Dancers features dance performance by community youth companies. if you would like to try this in your educational programs, i can send you DVDs. Mexican Folklorico is abundant, also featured are greek, hiphop, Salsa... getting these shows into Rev based websites is the eventual goal. the kids are effective, they perform regularly and it shows. each show's Total Run Time is around 28:30:00. everything is not for profit at this time. if you are working with young people, they might relate tothese videos. thanks, Erik Hansen p.s. if you would like to see kids dancing on your local community access station, then send me a contact website and i will take it from there. erik at erikhansen.org http://www.erikhansen.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat Jan 14 19:49:09 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:49:09 -0800 Subject: Image Corruption Message-ID: <43C99C05.30405@comcast.net> For those of you who saw my posts about weird behavior in my standalone (mostly crashing on startup), it seems the problem was corrupted images, which I deleted and replaced using Rev's built-in graphics. Today I found something that may be of value to others - I was working on a web site, using Photoshop's "Save for web" option and while the images looked OK and imported to my web program fine, they wouldn't display in a browser. If I just saved them as jpegs (not the save-for-web route) they would display fine. So I deleted the Save-for-web preference file and that seems to have done the trick. For what it's worth, Marty Knapp From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sat Jan 14 19:48:42 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:48:42 -0500 Subject: PDF and PPT In-Reply-To: <660a14a6f7f04343a560494da10b5486@shaw.ca> References: <660a14a6f7f04343a560494da10b5486@shaw.ca> Message-ID: For powepoint you have two options. 1. Save the powerpoint as png files and open in rev and use rev animation to progress through or 2. use shell or applescript to run a powerpoint player from with in rev. As far as I can tell these are the best ways. Possibly you can save the ppt as a web page and use altBrowser to open that. HTH Tom On Jan 14, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Rick Rice wrote: > I know this must have been covered before, but how do I open a PDF > file and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev? > I want to do this on both Mac and Win platforms. > Thanks > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From scott at elementarysoftware.com Sat Jan 14 20:05:18 2006 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:05:18 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <466A6EA1-805B-48E4-A571-0877CB595EFD@maseurope.net> References: <43C8374B.5060800@chipp.com> <466A6EA1-805B-48E4-A571-0877CB595EFD@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <2F0AD926-AFBB-4858-AD6A-F1A20E36F9CA@elementarysoftware.com> Mark, I'd been having the same problem as Chipp reported but with your latest update that trouble has gone away. Thanks for this great piece of work! -Scott Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust !) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email scott at elementarysoftware.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- On Jan 13, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Still tracking down some bugs, as well as trying to find out how to > read binary data that 'binaryDecode' doesn't cover. However, I've > just uploaded another version, which I think should fix this. > > Please let me know if it's fixed, off list, if you prefer. > > If it isn't, then in the 'setProp cpStartEndPoints' at near the > top of the group script, comment out the line 'setPlayerZoom' until > you've sucessfully loaded a file, then you can uncomment it. It's > needed in the fancy player zoom stuff, which is a bit spaghetti > like, just at the moment, and needs to be sorted out.... > > Mark > > On 13 Jan 2006, at 23:27, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> Thanks for doing this! >> >> I've tried running this on WinXP, and browse to the C:/Windows/ >> Media folder where there's a bunch of small wav files and I always >> get an error: >> >> Operators /: divide by zero >> >> on the line: >> >> set the cpStep of player "wsPlayer" of me to the width of grc >> "w1" / the cpDuration of player "wsPlayer" of me >> >> >> Any idea why? >> >> -Chipp From scott at proherp.com Sat Jan 14 20:35:25 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:35:25 +1100 Subject: PDF and PPT In-Reply-To: <660a14a6f7f04343a560494da10b5486@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000901c61973$faf484a0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > I know this must have been covered before, but how do I open > a PDF file > and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev? > I want to do this on both Mac and Win platforms. I'd definitely recommend altBrowser at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm for PDF or HTML. For Powerpoint files there is always the MS Powerpoint runtime. But even better is Rev's own built in card system and using the images from the PP presentation (saved as a graphic, which PP does as facility for posting on the web) and using those images with Rev's cool card transformation tool set. From the Rev doc's: visual effect dissolve visual effect iris close slowly visual effect zoom close with sound "Cheers" visual effect wipe up to black with sound "doom.wav" visual effect "CIRippleTransition" with shadingImage id 1001 and width 25 and scale 25 Cheers, Scott Kane From chipp at chipp.com Sat Jan 14 21:16:52 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:16:52 -0600 Subject: Image Corruption In-Reply-To: <43C99C05.30405@comcast.net> References: <43C99C05.30405@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C9B094.9000207@chipp.com> I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem (both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty. -Chipp Marty Knapp wrote: > For those of you who saw my posts about weird behavior in my standalone > (mostly crashing on startup), it seems the problem was corrupted images, > which I deleted and replaced using Rev's built-in graphics. Today I > found something that may be of value to others - I was working on a web > site, using Photoshop's "Save for web" option and while the images > looked OK and imported to my web program fine, they wouldn't display in > a browser. If I just saved them as jpegs (not the save-for-web route) > they would display fine. So I deleted the Save-for-web preference file > and that seems to have done the trick. From mark at maseurope.net Sat Jan 14 21:49:43 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:49:43 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <20060114204023.91118.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060114204023.91118.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5085B144-D230-4C42-AFE6-80EDFDA66E68@maseurope.net> Alejandro, there shouldn't be any problem using it in Windows, or 'Nix for that matter, I just don't have anything but OS X machines to test it on. It's all pure transcript. I still have a way to go until it's really finished, but hopefully I'll get it done over the next few days. Mark On 14 Jan 2006, at 20:40, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > on Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:04:31 +0000 > Mark Smith wrote: > >> Now updated. Fixed the file thing, and have >> added a player with moving cursor ... >> and you can zoom and scroll while playing. > > Excellent work, Mark! > Thanks for sharing this stack. > > You developed it in Mac OS X. > How could i use this Windows XP? > > Thanks in advance. > > al > > > > Visit my site: > http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your > hands ASAP. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 22:35:49 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:35:49 -0800 Subject: Image Corruption In-Reply-To: <43C9B094.9000207@chipp.com> Message-ID: On 1/14/06 6:16 PM, "Chipp Walters" wrote: > I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem > (both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty. > I agree with Chipp. Virtually all of my web images (many thousands) are done via Save for web and they play inside of straight HTML, Flash jpg import at run time, Flash swf import at run time, various photo album renditions of thumbnails/et al derived from images created with Save for web. I cannot remember a failure, unless it was during the ftp upload process, and the answer was to make the upload a second time. Using OSX 10.1 thru 10.4, PhotoShop CS 7.0 & 8.0, and laaaats o' drive space. One extra thought. I cannot use 'progressive' jpgs with Flash import at run time, thus I avoid them, so this might be a factor in your work. There is more than one type of jpg and the answer may be to try each and see if there is a correlation. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/14/06 6:16 PM, "Chipp Walters" wrote: > I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem > (both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty. > > -Chipp > > Marty Knapp wrote: >> For those of you who saw my posts about weird behavior in my standalone >> (mostly crashing on startup), it seems the problem was corrupted images, >> which I deleted and replaced using Rev's built-in graphics. Today I >> found something that may be of value to others - I was working on a web >> site, using Photoshop's "Save for web" option and while the images >> looked OK and imported to my web program fine, they wouldn't display in >> a browser. If I just saved them as jpegs (not the save-for-web route) >> they would display fine. So I deleted the Save-for-web preference file >> and that seems to have done the trick. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From alex298298 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 22:56:20 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:56:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Standalone question - Is it safe to lock a card by password like this? Message-ID: <20060115035620.35206.qmail@web50402.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a Admin card in my standalone application that only allow the administator to use. My first idea is to use a password to control access of the card: on mouseUp ask "Please provide your Admin password." if it is "correctpassword" then go to card "admin" else answer "Password is not correct!" end if end mouseUp Is it safe? Or do you have other better methods to control access of a card. Thanks and best regards Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sat Jan 14 22:37:30 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:37:30 -0600 Subject: PDF and PPT In-Reply-To: <660a14a6f7f04343a560494da10b5486@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On 1/14/06 4:12 PM, "Rick Rice" wrote: > I know this must have been covered before, but how do I open a PDF file > and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev? When you say, "open", what do you mean? I mean do you want to launch PowerPoint or Acrobat reader from within Rev and pass it the document so it displays properly in that program, or do you mean to display PowerPoint or PDF content within a Rev stack? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From katir at hindu.org Sat Jan 14 23:40:04 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:40:04 -1000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <5085B144-D230-4C42-AFE6-80EDFDA66E68@maseurope.net> References: <20060114204023.91118.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5085B144-D230-4C42-AFE6-80EDFDA66E68@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <042F2E0F-9FCD-4D11-80F4-ECB9E365A8AE@hindu.org> Fascinating... I wonder how far we can take this: "analyze sound" -- > analyze song --> output notes. Here's is a specific application I would be very interested in: Take a vocal song and analyze the pitch-melody and output some musical notation. The idea is to "capture the tune." In this case we need to display shifts in hertz over time, and not just amplitude. Of course this may be inventing the wheel, but a search on the web doesn't turn up much other than MIDI to notation and some very obscure cmd line tools from the world of European polyphonic music. Maybe some of our other music wizard will chime in here. I had a tool for this years ago but they went out of business. I thought Finale had a plug in for it, but I don't see it and this is the premier notation program... Even if thereis something out there... a rev app would be nice: One would have to set up a range-distance in hertz for pitch changes that would be equivalent to a half step on the 12 note octave. 73.333 hertz per step, I think... The pitch wave form would set a marker every time the pitch changes by that much.... Now you could use known values (440 = A with a toleance of 2 , 438-442 = the note A). I always thought the "pollution" of a sound track (singer had instruments playing behind him or her) would make it nigh well impossible for artificial intelligence to pull out the voice only and export to notes. They have stuff for this that you can attach to a clarinet or an oboe, but thats a single sound, not a music recording... But if we had a GUI that showed pitches and the user could chose points through time as "the ones to use" then the program would use those points (which would have hertz values) and export to notation. For the kind of Indian musical vocal I'm talking about, there will be a very strong melodic line, akin to recording a clarinet sans much else behind it. Outputting to western standard time values (quarter notes, half notes, whole notes) could be dispensed with initially (too big a mountain to climb) I would get the melodic line output and send it to one on our team in Indian Svaram notation and let them enter them into the tala. The indian system is very simple since it makes no attempt to offer an entire musical staff (chords), but you would just get, ala the old hypercard music notation (where minus equals flat and plus = sharp): output like this: Mohana raga: c d f g a c c a g f d c or Mayamalavagaula; c c+ e f g g + b c (I wrote some stuff in HC for this years ago, brought it into Supercard and then lost it...but I'm sure there is lots of stuff around still playing in this pond.) Point: the output is a simple linear export of hertz values represented as chars that = musical notes, separated by a space. I believe there is a convention for this linear form, already well established, (what you put for next octave or lower octave... etc.) that can even be read and played back as MIDI by Hypercard .... but it's been so long... Sivakatirswami On Jan 14, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Alejandro, there shouldn't be any problem using it in Windows, or > 'Nix for that matter, I just don't have anything but OS X machines > to test it on. It's all pure transcript. > > I still have a way to go until it's really finished, but hopefully > I'll get it done over the next few days. > > Mark > From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 15 00:35:41 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:35:41 -0600 Subject: Standalone question - Is it safe to lock a card by password like this? In-Reply-To: <20060115035620.35206.qmail@web50402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/14/06 9:56 PM, "alex wu" wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Admin card in my standalone application that > only allow the administator to use. My first idea is > to use a password to control access of the card: > > on mouseUp > ask "Please provide your Admin password." > if it is "correctpassword" then > go to card "admin" > else > answer "Password is not correct!" > end if > end mouseUp > > Is it safe? Or do you have other better methods to > control access of a card. Better is to use the "ask password" command - it allows people to enter a password, but they get asterisks instead. I'd use it with the "clear" option: on mouseUp ask password clear "Please provide your Admin password." if it is "correctpassword" then go to card "admin" else answer "Password is not correct!" end if end mouseUp Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From alex298298 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 00:52:57 2006 From: alex298298 at yahoo.com (alex wu) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:52:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: PDF and PPT In-Reply-To: <660a14a6f7f04343a560494da10b5486@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20060115055257.36987.qmail@web50415.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I use the get shell to open any kind of files in windows (not sure if it also works in Mac): get shell (quote & filePath & quote) For example: get shell (quote & "K:\Folder Path\myFile.xls" & quote) Best regards Alex --- Rick Rice wrote: > I know this must have been covered before, but how > do I open a PDF file > and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev? > I want to do this on both Mac and Win platforms. > Thanks > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 15 04:00:25 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:00:25 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed Message-ID: For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email service at my site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to let you all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS feed, which can be connected to by going to this page: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/subscribe_revupdates.htm and is made even more convenient through Safari 2.0! I am dedicated to posting new feed items regularly, so if you are interested, check it out! OK, everyone, that's it.... back to work! :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mlange at lexicall.org Sun Jan 15 04:33:14 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:33:14 +0000 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution Message-ID: (For some reason, I cannot post on revdocs, which has anyway become inactive, so I put my reply here) > Am sitting here with Marielle and have been discussing the wiki > strategy we wish to see at least. The aim is to work on this with or > without RunRev support in January. I have registered the domains > suggested and set up the hosting and much of the infrastructure, but > have a couple of technical problems with subversion on the Trustix > distro to resolve. Hum, written on my behalf but without letting me know about it. There is a bit of misunderstanding there. What I had proposed David was to buy a domain like "openrev.org" to host a set of webservices more specifically focused on the members of the community who have small or no commercial interest. The idea was to start working on the creation of a library of shared functions/components. Unfortunately, we didn't get to discuss much of this. Initially, I thought we did but it appeared there was some conflict of interest and the discussion had no positive outcome with regards to an open alliance of any kind. Some parallel discussion has taken place with Alain Farmer, of xcard () but nothing tangible has come out of these discussions. This may change in a few months, but for now, there is nothing tangible in terms of a "small or non profit runrev users alliance". I produced the codes cms on my own webserver, to host a catalogue of codes, as a first step in that direction. This was something missing and this was not something I could expect runrev to take care of. Frankly, I prefer them to work on improving the nice application of theirs than to spend an hour or two every day maintaining such a CMS like the one I propose there. I hope that this cms will reduce the reasons some users have to express dissatisfaction at runrev services but I am aware more could be done. > Also as Marielle lives in Edinburgh - thinking of doing a > presentation to RunRev regarding these options early next year. Hmm, David, you didn't tell me that. Anyway, I met runrev team on my own behalf about some issues I have as somebody who tries to have revolution better promoted in the education community and who cannot do much without runrev support. My demarch has always been to try to support their effort rather than propose to take responsibilities "with or without rev support" that are theirs and should never be mine. Yes, on the use-rev list I proposed to have forums created elsewhere as they were recurrent complaints about the traffic on the use-rev list... which by experience is really a problem for non profit/education users who have only 3-4 hours a week to spend on the list. I have said that there was no need to ask for runrev approval simply because that's the case... we don't need runrev approval to create a forum on some runrev related topic. But I never proposed to host the revdocs with or without RunRev support. If they believe I can help them identify the best system to host this doc, I will humbly share my experience of cms wih them. If they need a hand, I will gladly give it. But I won't host the revdocs on any of my websites nor join a group that does (host revdocs on private websites without runrev endorsement). In fact, what I rather suggested to Kevin and Mark (of runrev) was to try to channel the discontentment expressed on the list by having some community members encourage and facilitate some better community structure. The problem I tried to address is that there is the feeling that there is a mechanism for the "entreprise" members to influence decisions (with improve-revolution list) but there is none for the "non profit/education user". Of course, we cannot expect to have runrev encourage one-to-one contact between all its users and the company. The idea, then, was to have a few persons from this non profit/education community taking a role of "representative" who have for role to channel and centralize the requests and suggestions and meet once or twice a year with the rev team to pass the information and get the rev team feedback on it, pass it down to the members. Hence, what has been expressed on the list is that users decided to rant because they had the impression that any more "positive" approach (suggestion, recommendation, request) will have no effect whatsoever. What I argue for is the set up some structure by which "small" users (non profit/education) get a chance to submit requests and suggestions to the rev team without having to directly complain to revolution or write infuriating posts on the list. Marielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From christian.langers at education.lu Sun Jan 15 05:23:36 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:23:36 +0100 Subject: changing default buttonshapes Message-ID: Hello, I just wondered if it were possible to change the default shapes of buttons linked to a specific platform ? e.g. I wanted to use the Win radiobuttons on OS X is that possible ? and how ? Does anybody have an example ? Christian L. From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 15 05:26:11 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:26:11 +0100 Subject: changing default buttonshapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99E88176-351D-4DDD-A1F6-F24AAB1ED48E@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Christian, Menu View/Look and Feel/Windows Emulated :-) Le 15 janv. 06 ? 11:23, Christian Langers a ?crit : > I just wondered if it were possible to change the default shapes of > buttons linked to a specific platform ? > > e.g. I wanted to use the Win radiobuttons on OS X > > is that possible ? and how ? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From christian.langers at education.lu Sun Jan 15 05:30:40 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:30:40 +0100 Subject: changing default buttonshapes In-Reply-To: <99E88176-351D-4DDD-A1F6-F24AAB1ED48E@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <99E88176-351D-4DDD-A1F6-F24AAB1ED48E@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: Bonne fin de matin?e Eric ;-) Do you think I should look at the code in Rev itself to see how it's done ? Christian Le 15 janv. 06 ? 11:26, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > Hi Christian, > > Menu View/Look and Feel/Windows Emulated :-) > > Le 15 janv. 06 ? 11:23, Christian Langers a ?crit : > >> I just wondered if it were possible to change the default shapes >> of buttons linked to a specific platform ? >> >> e.g. I wanted to use the Win radiobuttons on OS X >> >> is that possible ? and how ? > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From katir at hindu.org Sun Jan 15 05:47:03 2006 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:47:03 -1000 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B590572-F6A4-431F-9D9A-B053BBDA0441@hindu.org> Marielle: I've been lurking on your initiative for some time as I am indeed in your boat "non-profit-education user" of rev. I fully agree: 1) we should not host the Docs 2) the docs are fine as they are: what are needed are examples! And thus your shared code library site concept is perfect. Dan Shafer is doing his ebooks but you have to pay for each one... That's not going to work for us edu types. I can't be putting in a PO requisition for money to buy each new book he puts out (however cheap they may be) so, open source is the way to go. More comments inserted. Just by way of "moral support" [snip] > Some parallel discussion has taken place with Alain Farmer, of > xcard () but nothing tangible > has come out of these discussions. This may change in a few months, > but for now, there is nothing tangible in terms of a "small or non > profit runrev users alliance". I use PMwiki for a wiki CMS.. it's fantastic, free and the support is incredible. The big advantage of PMwiki is: no back end dbase required. > > I produced the codes cms on my own webserver, to host a catalogue > of codes, as a first step in that direction. This was something > missing and this was not something I could expect runrev to take > care of. agreed > Frankly, I prefer them to work on improving the nice application of > theirs than to spend an hour or two every day maintaining such a > CMS like the one I propose there. agreed > I hope that this cms will reduce the reasons some users have to > express dissatisfaction at runrev services but I am aware more > could be done. > > > Also as Marielle lives in Edinburgh - thinking of doing a > > presentation to RunRev regarding these options early next year. > > on the use-rev list I proposed to have forums created elsewhere as > they were recurrent complaints about the traffic on the use-rev > list... which by experience is really a problem for non profit/ > education users who have only 3-4 hours a week to spend on the list. Indeed, these pro live there all day long but I have lots' of other work to do! It's a pain to search the archives when all you want is an example of some solution you need. Your trying to find a 10 line handler you saw in the archives last year... > If they need a hand, I will gladly give it. But I won't host the > revdocs on any of my websites nor join a group that does (host > revdocs on private websites without runrev endorsement). Right, they need to be responsible for the docs, others are already offering good solutions > > What I argue for is the set up some structure by which "small" > users (non profit/education) get a chance to submit requests and > suggestions to the rev team without having to directly complain to > revolution or write infuriating posts on the list. Good idea: non-profits may not be a big market for run-rev. But it's important for them to have their brand take a high profile in our sector. I remember a magazine consultant telling us years ago (with respect to marketing our magazine Hinduism Today) that, though there was little money in it, it was "mission critical" to get your product in front of the students... as these are the people who will buy it five years from now. Like kids at the uni today all excited about some macromedia product, flash etc. These are the decision makers in companies tomorrow. It is so true, I am meeting 25-30 year olds now who said "I've been reading Hinduism Today since I was 15 years old" so, for the long haul run rev needs us (forward this to Kevin if he is interested in this kind of thing...) Anyway, good luck... I often would like to contribute stuff, but I'm not really in a position to put up polished finished stacks. I can't deal with any mail traffic that might relate to bugs or questions if I did, so I just don't But I could easily offer handlers etc. I think this is *really* the other problem: stacks are finished UI's, but ultimately these are just code, but the whole model for sharing now is stacks, but to share a stack you have to make it usable enough for anyone, but non-profit users are spending most of their time developing in-house RADS that are very specific to contextual needs (" just have to get something that will do this job for us..." that mean nothing to others... meanwhile, there is no model for sharing code. So, there's millions of lines of xTalk out there and we have no way to re-purpose any of it. So, go for it! Sivakatirswami Himalayan Academy Publications at Kauai's Hindu Monastery katir at hindu.org www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.HinduismToday.com www.Gurudeva.org www.Hindu.org > > > Marielle From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 15 05:59:44 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:59:44 +0100 Subject: changing default buttonshapes In-Reply-To: References: <99E88176-351D-4DDD-A1F6-F24AAB1ED48E@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <1112924E-9F62-481D-AACF-7F84187DBD79@sosmartsoftware.com> Christian, Le 15 janv. 06 ? 11:30, Christian Langers a ?crit : > Bonne fin de matin?e Eric ;-) Merci :-) > Do you think I should look at the code in Rev itself to see how > it's done ? It's engine built-in. The code to set it is: set the lookAndFeel to "Windows 95" See lookAndFeel property in the docs. And don't ask me why Windows 95 ;-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From christian.langers at education.lu Sun Jan 15 06:19:37 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:19:37 +0100 Subject: changing default buttonshapes In-Reply-To: <1112924E-9F62-481D-AACF-7F84187DBD79@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <99E88176-351D-4DDD-A1F6-F24AAB1ED48E@sosmartsoftware.com> <1112924E-9F62-481D-AACF-7F84187DBD79@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: Somewhere I read that you can customize the look of your controls (not only the look and feel but replacing the actual controls by others)... or am I wrong ? Christian Le 15 janv. 06 ? 11:59, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > Christian, > > Le 15 janv. 06 ? 11:30, Christian Langers a ?crit : > >> Bonne fin de matin?e Eric ;-) > > Merci :-) > >> Do you think I should look at the code in Rev itself to see how >> it's done ? > > It's engine built-in. > The code to set it is: > set the lookAndFeel to "Windows 95" > See lookAndFeel property in the docs. > > And don't ask me why Windows 95 ;-) > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 15 06:27:48 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:27:48 +0100 Subject: changing default buttonshapes In-Reply-To: References: <99E88176-351D-4DDD-A1F6-F24AAB1ED48E@sosmartsoftware.com> <1112924E-9F62-481D-AACF-7F84187DBD79@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: Christian, As icons are images you can build any custom control using images. As an example, have a look at Chipp Walters utilities/plugins... or mine :-) Le 15 janv. 06 ? 12:19, Christian Langers a ?crit : > Somewhere I read that you can customize the look of your controls > (not only the look and feel but replacing the actual controls by > others)... > > or am I wrong ? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu Sun Jan 15 07:53:05 2006 From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:53:05 -0500 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: <7B590572-F6A4-431F-9D9A-B053BBDA0441@hindu.org> References: <7B590572-F6A4-431F-9D9A-B053BBDA0441@hindu.org> Message-ID: <7BDBB12C-3274-4BE7-B574-F6529F2913C9@conncoll.edu> I really like the "cookbook" model of mutual help at, for example, http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python In various languages, I've found that after the initial bootstrapping phase (Dan Shafer's book can help people through that), the cookbook approach is very efficient: I know enough to know what it is I don't know, I formulate it as a how-do-I-do-this problem, and look up the keywords that percolate into consciousness in the process. On a big site like the ASPN one, most problems have dozens of solutions, and choosing one, even in a rush, always teaches me something. This is the long-winded way of saying I think Marielle's approach to code-fragment collection may turn out to be the missing link of docs. Charles Hartman From kevin at runrev.com Sun Jan 15 08:55:05 2006 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:55:05 +0000 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/1/06 02:19, "Jesse Sng" wrote: > Now that Apple has shipped some machines that are running on Intel > processors, I'm wondering if there are announcements on the part of > RunRev as to when there might be Universal Binary editions of > Revolution? Universal binaries won't make it into version 2.7, but will be during the 2.7.x cycle. > What are the implications with respect to plug ins? Potentially it > could mean that an Intel based Rev calling a PowerPC plugin. Has > anyone done some evaluation of those things? We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle for a universal version. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools From mark at maseurope.net Sun Jan 15 08:56:13 2006 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:56:13 +0000 Subject: [ANN] Audio Waveform display In-Reply-To: <042F2E0F-9FCD-4D11-80F4-ECB9E365A8AE@hindu.org> References: <20060114204023.91118.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5085B144-D230-4C42-AFE6-80EDFDA66E68@maseurope.net> <042F2E0F-9FCD-4D11-80F4-ECB9E365A8AE@hindu.org> Message-ID: Sivakatirswami, I think the audio to midi functionality exists in a few of the pro sequencing packages, but you might take a look at Melodyne : http://www.celemony.com/ I don't know of anything that can extract a single voice from a recording of a full band/orchestra/choir. Perhaps it can be done for a clarinet or oboe (I haven't seen this, myself) since those instruments produce a relatively simple sound (not so many complex harmonics) unless blown very hard. A human voice is a very much more complex sound, and obviously much more variable, which might explain the difficulty. Getting the pitches of a solo voice recording can certainly be done, and googling 'audio to midi' produces a lot of results. I suspect this is one of those areas like photoshop-type image transformations, where it could probably be done in transcript, but would likely be so slow as to be not worth the effort in practice. For a start, you'd need to read every sample point of the binary audio file, rather than take every n samples as my waveform display does, and so just reading the data would take a long time. I suppose you could do it in chunks, which would probaly be more effeicient, but then you've still got to analyse the frequency of the peaks and troughs (I imagine this is how it would be done), and I just can't see this being done in transcript speedily enough for the amounts of data involved. Maybe someone will prove me wrong though, as I proved myself wrong about displying the waveform! For Indian music, you'd have to be more fine-grained than the western diatonic scale (semi-tones), as Indian music has it's own system that uses quarter tones (at least - I'm not very knowledgable about this), but you could just maintain a small database of different scales - Indian, Western, Malaysian etc. Anyway, if you decide to try it, feel free to use any code from my display control (the file reading part might be a useful starting point), and let me know if you think I can help. Best, Mark On 15 Jan 2006, at 04:40, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Fascinating... I wonder how far we can take this: "analyze sound" > --> analyze song --> output notes. Here's is a specific application > I would be very interested in: > > Take a vocal song and analyze the pitch-melody and output some > musical notation. The idea is to "capture the tune." In this case > we need to display shifts in hertz over time, and not just amplitude. > > Of course this may be inventing the wheel, but a search on the web > doesn't turn up much other than MIDI to notation and some very > obscure cmd line tools from the world of European polyphonic music. > Maybe some of our other music wizard will chime in here. I had a > tool for this years ago but they went out of business. I thought > Finale had a plug in for it, but I don't see it and this is the > premier notation program... > > Even if thereis something out there... a rev app would be nice: > > One would have to set up a range-distance in hertz for pitch > changes that would be equivalent to a half step on the 12 note > octave. 73.333 hertz per step, I think... The pitch wave form > would set a marker every time the pitch changes by that much.... > Now you could use known values (440 = A with a toleance of 2 , > 438-442 = the note A). > > I always thought the "pollution" of a sound track (singer had > instruments playing behind him or her) would make it nigh well > impossible for artificial intelligence to pull out the voice only > and export to notes. They have stuff for this that you can attach > to a clarinet or an oboe, but thats a single sound, not a music > recording... But if we had a GUI that showed pitches and the user > could chose points through time as "the ones to use" then the > program would use those points (which would have hertz values) and > export to notation. > > For the kind of Indian musical vocal I'm talking about, there will > be a very strong melodic line, akin to recording a clarinet sans > much else behind it. Outputting to western standard time values > (quarter notes, half notes, whole notes) could be dispensed with > initially (too big a mountain to climb) I would get the melodic > line output and send it to one on our team in Indian Svaram > notation and let them enter them into the tala. The indian system > is very simple since it makes no attempt to offer an entire musical > staff (chords), but you would just get, ala the old hypercard music > notation (where minus equals flat and plus = sharp): output like > this: > > Mohana raga: c d f g a c c a g f d c or Mayamalavagaula; c c+ e f > g g+ b c > > (I wrote some stuff in HC for this years ago, brought it into > Supercard and then lost it...but I'm sure there is lots of stuff > around still playing in this pond.) > > Point: the output is a simple linear export of hertz values > represented as chars that = musical notes, separated by a space. > I believe there is a convention for this linear form, already well > established, (what you put for next octave or lower octave... > etc.) that can even be read and played back as MIDI by > Hypercard .... but it's been so long... > > Sivakatirswami > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > >> Alejandro, there shouldn't be any problem using it in Windows, or >> 'Nix for that matter, I just don't have anything but OS X >> machines to test it on. It's all pure transcript. >> >> I still have a way to go until it's really finished, but hopefully >> I'll get it done over the next few days. >> >> Mark >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 15 09:00:25 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:00:25 +0100 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <718232CF-09E6-4294-B1EF-9BCE259FF6F6@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Kevin, May we understand that Universal binaries Rev will be Rev 3.0 planned to be shipped at the end of the year (or something like :-)? Not fully obliged to reply :-) Le 15 janv. 06 ? 14:55, Kevin Miller a ?crit : > On 11/1/06 02:19, "Jesse Sng" wrote: > >> Now that Apple has shipped some machines that are running on Intel >> processors, I'm wondering if there are announcements on the part of >> RunRev as to when there might be Universal Binary editions of >> Revolution? > > Universal binaries won't make it into version 2.7, but will be > during the > 2.7.x cycle. > >> What are the implications with respect to plug ins? Potentially it >> could mean that an Intel based Rev calling a PowerPC plugin. Has >> anyone done some evaluation of those things? > > We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle > for a > universal version. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From jhurley at infostations.com Sun Jan 15 09:27:07 2006 From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:27:07 -0800 Subject: Formatting numbers In-Reply-To: <20060114033729.5BF91825AF7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060114033729.5BF91825AF7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > >Message: 21 >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:40:10 -0800 >From: Marty Knapp >Subject: Formatting numbers >To: Revolution User List >Message-ID: <43C83A5A.2050809 at comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas for a >printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers ranging from >small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to insert >commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways to do it, >but thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed up something >nice. > >Thanks, > >Marty Knapp Marty, Here are a couple of number formatting functions I use a lot. The first is the standard comma formatting and the second puts the number into scientific format. For example, the number 12225677.98 formats to Comma format: 12,225,677.98 Scientific format 1.22*10^7 Jim function commaFormat tNum put tNum mod 1 into remainder delete char 1 of remainder put trunc(tNum) into tNum put the number of chars in tNum into n repeat with i = 1 to trunc((n-1)/3) put comma after char n - 3*i of tNum end repeat return tNum& remainder end commaformat function sciFormat tNum,sigFigures if tNum < 0 then put "-" into sign else put empty into sign put abs(tNum) into tNum if sigFigures is empty then put 3 into sigFigures --Default significant figures. put 0 into count if tNum >= 1 then repeat until tNum < 10 divide tNum by 10 add 1 to count end repeat put round((10^(sigFigures-1))*tNum)/10^(sigFigures-1) into tNum return sign & (char 1 to sigFigures + 1 of tNum) &"*10^" & count end if if tNum < 1 then repeat until tNum >= 1 multiply tNum by 10 add 1 to count end repeat end if return sign & (char 1 to sigFigures + 1 of tNum) & "*10^-" & count end sciFormat From kevin at runrev.com Sun Jan 15 09:30:32 2006 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:30:32 +0000 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: <718232CF-09E6-4294-B1EF-9BCE259FF6F6@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: On 15/1/06 14:00, "Eric Chatonet" wrote: > May we understand that Universal binaries Rev will be Rev 3.0 planned > to be shipped at the end of the year (or something like :-)? Any plans we may or may not have for Revolution 3.0 are not in any way related to Universal binaries. As I said, Universal binaries will be added during the 2.7.x series. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 15 09:32:45 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:32:45 +0100 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65FBA066-205D-4969-90E5-1E17EB803022@sosmartsoftware.com> Kevin, Thanks for this clarification. Le 15 janv. 06 ? 15:30, Kevin Miller a ?crit : > On 15/1/06 14:00, "Eric Chatonet" > wrote: > >> May we understand that Universal binaries Rev will be Rev 3.0 planned >> to be shipped at the end of the year (or something like :-)? > > Any plans we may or may not have for Revolution 3.0 are not in any way > related to Universal binaries. As I said, Universal binaries will > be added > during the 2.7.x series. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From rcozens at pon.net Sun Jan 15 11:18:45 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:18:45 -0800 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114081449.019976b0@pon.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060115080229.0196bf18@pon.net> Jim, >All stated that it would NOT be accepted in any corporate >environment in Europe as >corporations were banning the use of such devices by people in the office. >No employees were allowed to use such a device in the office. I must say I'm surprised to hear this. From my limited experience, I would guess that many corporate and other business enterprises allow employees to take company laptops home or on the road with them, use their own computer for company business, or to take software and documents home on mass storage to work on their own computer after hours. If the organization allows one to take a company computer out of the office, what security is gained by prohibiting small mass storage devices in the office? I cannot imagine trying to run a business of any size without allowing some subset of employees access to company computers & data off-site and after hours. If that is allowed, banning the use of small mass storage devices seems non sequitur to this foole. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From kkaufman at snet.net Sun Jan 15 11:24:12 2006 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:24:12 -0500 Subject: sound recording stack available? Message-ID: > In Rev Online - User spaces under "sms" I have a stack called > RecPlayWawMCI > which may be of help. Thank you; this seems to be exactly what I was looking for. -Kurt From mlange at lexicall.org Sun Jan 15 11:27:42 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:27:42 +0000 Subject: Message from Marielle Message-ID: <7B0EBBAA-CCB9-4469-AC98-D1290FA47C62@lexicall.org> Hi Scott, Many thanks for your recommendation. I went for heartinternet which had been recommended on this list, I believe. They have free 24/24 "chat support", 100% uptime guaranteed, unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth for a price I can afford. When I connected to their website, the page was instantaneously displayed. I checked out forums on the web, I only read positive comments about them. From the setup I can see and what they let me or don't let me do, they know their job. On top, it comes with a bunch of free templates (professional and not), stock photos, clipart library, etc. So far, I am very happy. The lexicall.org is back up and working, still awaiting DNS update. But I have already transfered all files to their new home. All content is now on the new host, all cms but one are working. The stack galleries are accessible. Etc. Nearly there! > If Marielle is looking for a good host I certainly > recommend FutureQuest - http://www.futurequest.net/ > I host with them and they are excellent in up time, > support and generous with throughput. > > (Note - I am in no way affiliated with this service > other than being a happy customer). Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From sims at ezpzapps.com Sun Jan 15 11:36:24 2006 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:36:24 +0100 Subject: Portable Apps..? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.1.20060115080229.0196bf18@pon.net> References: <43C71B82.3090502@chipp.com> <3A2D7DBE-D4A2-4380-90E5-E741E06469A3@adelphia.net> <7.0.0.10.1.20060114081449.019976b0@pon.net> <7.0.0.10.1.20060115080229.0196bf18@pon.net> Message-ID: sims wrote: >>All stated that it would NOT be accepted in any corporate >>environment in Europe as >>corporations were banning the use of such devices by people in the office. >>No employees were allowed to use such a device in the office. >At 8:18 AM -0800 1/15/06, Rob Cozens wrote: >I must say I'm surprised to hear this. > >From my limited experience, I would guess that many corporate and >other business enterprises allow employees to take company laptops >home or on the road with them, use their own computer for company >business, or to take software and documents home on mass storage to >work on their own computer after hours. If the organization allows >one to take a company computer out of the office, what security is >gained by prohibiting small mass storage devices in the office? > >I cannot imagine trying to run a business of any size without >allowing some subset of employees access to company computers & data >off-site and after hours. If that is allowed, banning the use of >small mass storage devices seems non sequitur to this foole. Bongu Rob, Perhaps the key here is, as you state, "subset of employees". I stated "people in the office", such as large law offices with hundreds of secretaries, or call centers, etc. IOW not the 'tech guys' but people answering phones, manning databases, and doing general office work. Using a flash drive would be a real plus for my project, not a show stopper though. It would make it much easier & thereby more profitable if I can use a flash drive. Guess the only way to find out is to give it a shot. ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006 www.techietours.com From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Sun Jan 15 11:46:06 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed In-Reply-To: <20060115120547.AF72782501D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060115120547.AF72782501D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <293A51F5-2E43-4D72-9D72-4154BCA304C6@videotron.ca> Very nice, Ken. Thanks. Gregory On 15-Jan-06, at 7:05 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 23 > Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:00:25 -0600 > From: Ken Ray > Subject: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed > To: Use Revolution List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email > service at my > site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to > let you > all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS > feed, which > can be connected to by going to this page: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/ > subscribe_revupdates.htm > > and is made even more convenient through Safari 2.0! I am dedicated to > posting new feed items regularly, so if you are interested, check > it out! > > OK, everyone, that's it.... back to work! > > :-) > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Sun Jan 15 11:52:52 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:52:52 -0500 Subject: Revolution Preferences Message-ID: Hello everyone, I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for object in Revolution. I notice in Revolution's Preference window that default object sizes can be set. It would be nice to be able to set default field properties such as font and text size. Would that somehow be done through custom properties? Regards, Gregory From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sun Jan 15 12:01:09 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:01:09 +0100 Subject: Revolution Preferences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <355BBC5C-BAF7-4B10-A89B-A5C9D1C53B6A@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Gregory, You set the default font and size of all fields in a stack by setting the font and size of the stack itself in the property inspector. By default, all objects inherit the properties of their owner unless you set them differently. See Property Inheritance in Docs/Topics/Properties and property profiles :-) Le 15 janv. 06 ? 17:52, Gregory Lypny a ?crit : > I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for > object in Revolution. I notice in Revolution's Preference window > that default object sizes can be set. It would be nice to be able > to set default field properties such as font and text size. Would > that somehow be done through custom properties? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From gizmotron at earthlink.net Sun Jan 15 12:08:52 2006 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:08:52 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed In-Reply-To: <20060115120547.BD24C82501E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9A26C9AA-85E9-11DA-B560-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net> On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 04:05 AM, use-revolutiont at lists.runrev.com wrote: > For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email service > at my > site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to let > you > all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS feed, > which > can be connected to by going to this page: > > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/subscribe_revupdates.htm > > and is made even more convenient through Safari 2.0! I am dedicated to > posting new feed items regularly, so if you are interested, check it > out! > > OK, everyone, that's it.... back to work! > :-) > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software OK, that's great. I even like the fact that when I hit the subscribe button that it opened my reader and it automatically subscribed me. Now for something completely different, sort of. This: http://www.sonsothunder.com/feeds/STSRevUpdates.xml RSS file is formatted as version '2.0' and will also work inside of Intuition 1.5. The procedure for using it follows. Open a file in Intuition 1.5 or create a new one, go to Import / RSS & Auto Load, enter this URL: http://www.sonsothunder.com/feeds/STSRevUpdates.xml into the URL window, press Get RSS. That will download this RSS file. After that is complete press Import. You now have all the items of this RSS feed as a page in Intuition of the currently open Intuition file. If you add a RSS link back to that feed's URL then you will have an automated version that automatically downloads this RSS file while opening Intuition's own internal reader. Do this by selecting some text to make a link out of and then by using the E menu go all the way to the bottom of the E menu to select RSS link. When prompted enter this URL, http://www.sonsothunder.com/feeds/STSRevUpdates.xml , to complete the creation of the RSS link. I think in the next upgrade I will add placing this RSS link automatically so the user does not have to create the link. Anyway with Intuition you can create a book / archive of RSS feeds from Ken's Rev-Updates. I hope that this link is meant to be a constant URL for that feed? The cool thing that is different about Intuition is that RSS feeds that link to on-line Intuition files can be downloaded and merged directly from the RSS reader. That is a huge difference than just being able to go to a website in your primary browser. Intuition files are multi-paged and can contain all the images if formatted that way. Intuition 1.5 is completed. Normally you would download the latest version from Tucows but they don't have the newest version up yet. To get the Mac OSX version download from here: http://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/intuitionX.sit From Tucows when latest versions exist: http://www.tucows.com/preview/390071.html To get the Windows version download from here: http://www.leveltron.com/windownload.exe From Tucows when latest versions exist: http://www.tucows.com/preview/390072.html You might need to paste these URLs into your browser window to get them to download properly. Links like this from an email client don't always open the browser's file download. Mark From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Jan 15 12:14:48 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:14:48 -0800 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CA8308.1080407@fourthworld.com> Marielle Lange wrote: > (For some reason, I cannot post on revdocs I just posted a test message moments ago. Seems to work well. Feel free to contact me offlist to determine the source of the problem. > which has anyway become > inactive, so I put my reply here) Yes, a community is only as active as its members. If people move the work of that group over here then it will remain inactive. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From rick-rice at shaw.ca Sun Jan 15 12:58:07 2006 From: rick-rice at shaw.ca (Rick Rice) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:58:07 -0800 Subject: PDF and PPT In-Reply-To: <20060115120547.AF72782501D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060115120547.AF72782501D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <540c9a5dfe1371897ec9c9f799df553f@shaw.ca> >> I know this must have been covered before, but how do I open a PDF >> file >> and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev? > > When you say, "open", what do you mean? I mean do you want to launch > PowerPoint or Acrobat reader from within Rev and pass it the document > so it > displays properly in that program, or do you mean to display > PowerPoint or > PDF content within a Rev stack? > Ken Ray First, thanks Tom and Alex for your suggestions. However, Ken asked the question the way I should have. What I want to do is launch PowerPoint and/or Acrobat reader from within Rev and pass it the document for display outside of Rev. I did, after posting the first time, find the "launch with" command. Works great as long as I know the exact path to both the file and the app. My problem is how do I do this when I have created a standalone and the stack is being used by a student and I have no idea where their app is actually located? I would be able to locate the file, as it will be distributed in the directory with the stack. Thanks Ken. An answer is always more likely if the question is correctly asked. Rick From markgreenberg at cox.net Sun Jan 15 13:17:10 2006 From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:17:10 -0700 Subject: Rev in High School In-Reply-To: <20060115120547.BD24C82501E@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060115120547.BD24C82501E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9746E0BB-11F1-4F15-A66F-C7096A39C028@cox.net> Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some progress in getting Revolution into the classroom. I have been awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev stacks that help learners understand academic topics. My district has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA). I begin buying the software in early February and teaching the course in mid February. Viva la Revolution! Mark From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sun Jan 15 13:24:18 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:24:18 -0500 Subject: Rev in High School In-Reply-To: <9746E0BB-11F1-4F15-A66F-C7096A39C028@cox.net> References: <20060115120547.BD24C82501E@mail.runrev.com> <9746E0BB-11F1-4F15-A66F-C7096A39C028@cox.net> Message-ID: <0AEE9504-0610-4E48-962E-FE80582F6711@adelphia.net> Mark, This is fantastic news. How did this happen? I think learning how you were able to do this might help in other states as well. A description from first contact to final acceptance might be useful. Tom On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote: > Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some > progress in getting Revolution into the classroom. I have been > awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev > stacks that help learners understand academic topics. My district > has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our > brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA). I begin > buying the software in early February and teaching the course in > mid February. > > Viva la Revolution! > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Sun Jan 15 13:42:24 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:42:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: <7BDBB12C-3274-4BE7-B574-F6529F2913C9@conncoll.edu> Message-ID: Which, of course, really goes back to the Hypercard model of pre-built widgets ala the Buttons and Fields stacks (don't recall their exact names at the moment) that many of us have requested since Day 1. And, while it's wonderful that individuals such as Marielle and others wish to 'fill the gap', the ideal approach, especially for inventive users/hobbyists/edu folks/non or novice programmers, is to have these things shipped WITH THE PRODUCT because this target audience is least likely to have the confidence to look for third-party resources, search the list archives, or even ask the use-list three or more times how to use and script tabs (e.g., eliminate the gap instead of filling it). (And, if you search the use-list archives, you will see that the tabs example is one that comes up _repeatedly_). Think about it: what percentage of that target population do you really think will just walk away if these things aren't part of the out-of-box experience? Is 50% too generous? (I think it is; I'm betting it's more like 75% or higher). Does the company want to lose that many potential users? I hope not. Judy On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Charles Hartman wrote: > I really like the "cookbook" model of mutual help at, for example, > http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python > > In various languages, I've found that after the initial bootstrapping > phase (Dan Shafer's book can help people through that), the cookbook > approach is very efficient: I know enough to know what it is I don't > know, I formulate it as a how-do-I-do-this problem, and look up the > keywords that percolate into consciousness in the process. On a big > site like the ASPN one, most problems have dozens of solutions, and > choosing one, even in a rush, always teaches me something. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sun Jan 15 13:57:10 2006 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:57:10 -0800 Subject: Image Corruption In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CA9B06.8070001@comcast.net> Thanks Chipp and Jim, I'll have to do some more experimenting here. I am having some weird problems though. They manifested themselves when I started building standalones with a menubar. If I remove the menubar, there seems to be no problem (just a standard Rev default menubar with no changes on my part). If I remove 3 specific graphics I also have no problem. I've tried resaving the graphics in Photoshop and resaving them in GraphicConverter, all with no improvement. Though seemingly unrelated, when I started having problems with jpegs (created with the Save-for web option) not showing on a web pages, I thought maybe my problem was rooted in Photoshop. So I deleted the Pref file for Save-for-web and it fixed my web/jpeg problem. It hasn't solved my .png graphic problem in Rev, however . . . So i'll keep digging here and report back what I find. I hope I can solve my problem and as welll as assist others who may have similar issues. Thanks again! Marty Knapp >On 1/14/06 6:16 PM, "Chipp Walters" wrote: > > >>I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem >>(both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty. >> >> >> > >I agree with Chipp. >Virtually all of my web images (many thousands) are done via Save for web >and they play inside of straight HTML, Flash jpg import at run time, Flash >swf import at run time, various photo album renditions of thumbnails/et al >derived from images created with Save for web. > >I cannot remember a failure, unless it was during the ftp upload process, >and the answer was to make the upload a second time. > >Using OSX 10.1 thru 10.4, PhotoShop CS 7.0 & 8.0, and laaaats o' drive >space. > >One extra thought. I cannot use 'progressive' jpgs with Flash import at run >time, thus I avoid them, so this might be a factor in your work. There is >more than one type of jpg and the answer may be to try each and see if there >is a correlation. > >Hope this helps. > >Jim Ault >Las Vegas > > >On 1/14/06 6:16 PM, "Chipp Walters" wrote: > > > >>I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem >>(both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty. >> >>-Chipp >> >>Marty Knapp wrote: >> >> >>>For those of you who saw my posts about weird behavior in my standalone >>>(mostly crashing on startup), it seems the problem was corrupted images, >>>which I deleted and replaced using Rev's built-in graphics. Today I >>>found something that may be of value to others - I was working on a web >>>site, using Photoshop's "Save for web" option and while the images >>>looked OK and imported to my web program fine, they wouldn't display in >>>a browser. If I just saved them as jpegs (not the save-for-web route) >>>they would display fine. So I deleted the Save-for-web preference file >>>and that seems to have done the trick. >>> > > From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 15 14:22:09 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:22:09 -0600 Subject: xml and utf-8 attribute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/14/06 3:33 PM, "praxMatrix Internet Services" wrote: > I'm having a lot of trouble getting the right characters to appear for an > XML attribute. The file loads correctly and displays the English words with > no problems but the translation attribute returns garbled characters. The > XML is encoded as UTF-8. I've tried implementing the various suggestions > I've found in the archives re uniDecode / htmlText etc but am having no > luck. The languages I am trying to use are Spanish, French and Polish. Any > pointers or links to tutorials would be very helpful. This is the typical > format of the XML file: > > > > > > > > This is the tanscript code that pushes the 'trans' attribute into the field: > put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") into field > "trans" > > And this is the typical output for non English characters: > > Espa??a Yeah, it appears that the revXML.dll can't handle character entities very well (Peter Evensen identified this a couple of weeks back). Here's what I'd posted in response: ----- If your files aren't too large, you may wish to try my all-Transcript XML library, which handles these without issue. If you're interested, contact me off-list as I'm getting ready to release a major upgrade to the library (2.0) which isn't available from my web site yet (only 1.1.7 is available publicly). ----- Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 15 14:23:10 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:23:10 -0600 Subject: Rev in High School In-Reply-To: <9746E0BB-11F1-4F15-A66F-C7096A39C028@cox.net> Message-ID: On 1/15/06 12:17 PM, "Mark Greenberg" wrote: > Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some progress > in getting Revolution into the classroom. I have been awarded a > $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev stacks that > help learners understand academic topics. My district has authorized > an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our brand new Cyber > High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA). I begin buying the software > in early February and teaching the course in mid February. Congratulations, Mark... way to go! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From markgreenberg at cox.net Sun Jan 15 14:39:02 2006 From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:39:02 -0700 Subject: Rev in High School In-Reply-To: <20060115180003.5A7938254C9@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060115180003.5A7938254C9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <35CDED2D-FA32-42F7-8654-B6743D2CFFB9@cox.net> Step 1: My wife clipped a tiny notice from the paper that the Qwest Foundation was granting money to teachers for "innovative use of technology in the classroom." Step 2: I researched the grant and contacted the organization that was managing the grant process and money. Step 3: I attended a workshop put on by that organization on how to write this particular grant. The workshop gave me good info but was a bit intimidating since most of the attendees were professional grant writers and district technology coordinators. I'm just a teacher. Step 4: I got the class authorized through my district, just in case I did get the grant. I also spoke to the person in our district who handles federal funding so she could give me advice. It wasn't a federal grant, but she still understands this type of thing better than I do. Step 5: I wrote up the proposal, passing it by half a dozen people for ideas, wording, spelling, etc. Since innovation was a key element in the wording of the grant information, I focused on the video game nature of the stacks my students would be creating. Step 6: I mailed it off, checking and rechecking that everything was exactly the way they wanted it. Step 7: I waited.... until Friday when I got the call. : ) If anyone is interested in more detail, contact me off-list. Ciao, Mark On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > This is fantastic news. How did this happen? I think learning how you > were able to do this might help in other states as well. > A description from first contact to final acceptance might be useful. > > Tom > > > On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote: > >> Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some >> progress in getting Revolution into the classroom. I have been >> awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev >> stacks that help learners understand academic topics. My district >> has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our >> brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA). From 36degrees at runrev.com Sun Jan 15 14:50:37 2006 From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:50:37 +0000 Subject: xml and utf-8 attribute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1137354637.31645.102.camel@rachmaninov> > I'm having a lot of trouble getting the right characters to appear for an > XML attribute. The file loads correctly and displays the English words with > no problems but the translation attribute returns garbled characters. The > XML is encoded as UTF-8. I've tried implementing the various suggestions > I've found in the archives re uniDecode / htmlText etc but am having no > luck. The languages I am trying to use are Spanish, French and Polish. Any > pointers or links to tutorials would be very helpful. This is the typical > format of the XML file: > > > > > > > > This is the tanscript code that pushes the 'trans' attribute into the field: > put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") into field > "trans" > > And this is the typical output for non English characters: > > Espa??a This is what you should expect to get - this string is valid UTF-8 rendered as the native 1-byte encoding. Try put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") \ into tUTF8Text put uniDecode(uniEncode(tUTF8Text, "UTF8")) into field "trans" Now the explanation... Your XML file is specified to have the encoding 'UTF-8'. This means that the XML parser will attempt to interpret the contents of the file as being valid UTF-8 text - in particular, numeric character references (such as #&241), which are taken as unicode code points, will be resolved to the appropriate sequence of characters for UTF-8. revXML doesn't mess with the encoding at all - so what you get back from the revXML* functions (in your case) will be UTF-8 encoded strings. Therefore, to convert to the platform native 1-byte encoding (MacRoman on MacOS, Latin-1 on Windows and ISO8859-1 on Unix/Linux) you need to convert to UTF-16: put uniEncode(tUTF8Text, "UTF8") into tUTF16Text and then convert back to the standard 1-byte encoding: put uniDecode(tUTF16Text) into tNativeText (The uniDecode function, without a second parameter, indicates that the target encoding is one of the native 1-byte ones appropriate to the running platform) Warmest Regards, Mark. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Waddingham ~ 36degrees at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 15 14:45:17 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:45:17 -0600 Subject: PDF and PPT In-Reply-To: <540c9a5dfe1371897ec9c9f799df553f@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On 1/15/06 11:58 AM, "Rick Rice" wrote: > First, thanks Tom and Alex for your suggestions. > However, Ken asked the question the way I should have. > What I want to do is launch PowerPoint and/or Acrobat reader from > within Rev and pass it the document for display outside of Rev. > I did, after posting the first time, find the "launch with" command. > Works great as long as I know the exact path to both the file and the > app. My problem is how do I do this when I have created a standalone > and the stack is being used by a student and I have no idea where their > app is actually located? I would be able to locate the file, as it will > be distributed in the directory with the stack. > Thanks Ken. An answer is always more likely if the question is > correctly asked. No prob, Rick... Try this: on LaunchDoc pPath if the platform is "Win32" then -- Windows 98SE or higher* put shortFilePath(pPath) into pPath put item 1 to (the number of items of pPath - 1) of pPath & \ "/" into tDir put item -1 of pPath into tItem put char 1 to 2 of tDir into tDrive set the hideConsoleWindows to true get shell(tDrive && "& cd" && tDir && " & start" && tItem) else -- Mac replace "/" with ":" in pPath if char 1 of pPath = ":" then delete char 1 of pPath put "tell application" && q("Finder") & cr & \ "open file" && q(pPath) & cr & "end tell" into tAS do tAS as "AppleScript" end if end LaunchDoc This should work... (hope there aren't any typos)... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com * If you need it to work in earlier versions of Win98 or Win95, let me know. From 36degrees at runrev.com Sun Jan 15 14:57:30 2006 From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:57:30 +0000 Subject: revCreateXMLFromFile parsing entities? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060102160150.0b2b7ff8@exchange.slg.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060102160150.0b2b7ff8@exchange.slg.com> Message-ID: <1137355050.31645.110.camel@rachmaninov> I missed this first time round, but as this is related to a post I just made, I thought I'd go back and retrospectively comment :o) On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 16:06 -0600, Peter T. Evensen wrote: > I get an error saying that "Entity 'cent' is not defiled" if I have the > following in my XML file: > > ¢ > > 1) are entities defined on XML? Should the library even be trying to parse > it? I wanted it to just leave it alone and pass it to me so I can handle > it with htmlText of a field. >From my understanding of the XML standard, XML is perfectly happy to parse entities - but only a handful are predefined. They are: < -- < > -- > & -- & ' -- ' " -- " For all others, you need to either: - define them explicity using an '!ENTITY' declaration before use or - include a file containing the entity declarations before use or - define them in your schema and reference that in your header Obviously, if you are used to HTML then you are used to having a whole zoo of entities predefined. XML tries to be as lightweight as possible so this isn't mandated. > There is also a bug related to it's handling of entities (if it is supposed > to handle the entities)... if I use the numeric code for ¢ (i.e., > ¢), I get a cent sign, but it has a capital A with a circumflex over > it. I BZed this a while back. This is for the reasons pointed out in my previous post. I'm guessing your XML file is tagged with UTF-8 as its encoding - so the unicode copy point '162' is getting translated to its 2-byte UTF-8 representation. Hope this helps, Mark. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Waddingham ~ 36degrees at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Jan 15 14:53:33 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:53:33 -0600 Subject: Revolution Preferences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/15/06 10:52 AM, "Gregory Lypny" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for > object in Revolution. I notice in Revolution's Preference window > that default object sizes can be set. It would be nice to be able to > set default field properties such as font and text size. Would that > somehow be done through custom properties? In addition to Eric's excellent comments, you can also set "the templateField" with properties prior to creating fields. All objects have a template, so you can set the template ahead of time and then from that point forward (until you change it or quit Rev) any objects you create will have those properties. So you could say: set the textFont of the templateField to "Comic Sans" set the textSize of the templateField to "14 create field Anyway, lookup the template___ entries in the Transcript Dictionary for more info. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Sun Jan 15 15:37:11 2006 From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:37:11 -0500 Subject: Rev in High School In-Reply-To: <35CDED2D-FA32-42F7-8654-B6743D2CFFB9@cox.net> References: <20060115180003.5A7938254C9@mail.runrev.com> <35CDED2D-FA32-42F7-8654-B6743D2CFFB9@cox.net> Message-ID: <8C6F5BAC-70EC-4A24-873F-ECEA87BB1DB9@adelphia.net> Mark, This is very inspiring to me and I'm sure many others on this list. Thanks for posting this. Tom On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote: > Step 1: My wife clipped a tiny notice from the paper that the > Qwest Foundation was granting money to teachers for "innovative use > of technology in the classroom." > > Step 2: I researched the grant and contacted the organization that > was managing the grant process and money. > > Step 3: I attended a workshop put on by that organization on how > to write this particular grant. The workshop gave me good info but > was a bit intimidating since most of the attendees were > professional grant writers and district technology coordinators. > I'm just a teacher. > > Step 4: I got the class authorized through my district, just in > case I did get the grant. I also spoke to the person in our > district who handles federal funding so she could give me advice. > It wasn't a federal grant, but she still understands this type of > thing better than I do. > > Step 5: I wrote up the proposal, passing it by half a dozen people > for ideas, wording, spelling, etc. Since innovation was a key > element in the wording of the grant information, I focused on the > video game nature of the stacks my students would be creating. > > Step 6: I mailed it off, checking and rechecking that everything > was exactly the way they wanted it. > > Step 7: I waited.... until Friday when I got the call. : ) > > If anyone is interested in more detail, contact me off-list. > > Ciao, > Mark > > On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:00 AM, use-revolution- > request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> This is fantastic news. How did this happen? I think learning how you >> were able to do this might help in other states as well. >> A description from first contact to final acceptance might be useful. >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote: >> >>> Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some >>> progress in getting Revolution into the classroom. I have been >>> awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev >>> stacks that help learners understand academic topics. My district >>> has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our >>> brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA). > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at adelphia.net Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Sun Jan 15 15:45:27 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:45:27 -0500 Subject: Revolution Preferences In-Reply-To: <20060115180003.442FC82538C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060115180003.442FC82538C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <2836AA03-3583-4712-A7D9-0F147D6A1DAE@videotron.ca> Thank you, Eric. I tried an example using the Property Inspector, and although it's not particularly intuitive, it appears to work. Once I get the hang of it, I think it will save me a lot of time. Gregory On 15-Jan-06, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Hi Gregory, > > You set the default font and size of all fields in a stack by setting > the font and size of the stack itself in the property inspector. > By default, all objects inherit the properties of their owner unless > you set them differently. > See Property Inheritance in Docs/Topics/Properties and property > profiles :-) > > Le 15 janv. 06 ? 17:52, Gregory Lypny a ?crit : > >> I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for >> object in Revolution. I notice in Revolution's Preference window >> that default object sizes can be set. It would be nice to be able >> to set default field properties such as font and text size. Would >> that somehow be done through custom properties? > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet From mlange at lexicall.org Sun Jan 15 16:28:18 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:28:18 +0000 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution Message-ID: >> (For some reason, I cannot post on revdocs > I just posted a test message moments ago. Seems to work well. Feel > free to contact me offlist to determine the source of the problem. Thanks for that...The problem was due to an email of mine that has become inactive (my ed.ac.uk one) and yahoo very confusingly proposing me to change my email preferences when what needed to be changed was my membership information. >> which has anyway become inactive, so I put my reply here) > Yes, a community is only as active as its members. If people move > the work of that group over here then it will remain inactive. As my problem is solved now, I published my next post on yahoo. Cheers, Marielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From jsng at wayoflife.org Sun Jan 15 19:18:39 2006 From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:18:39 +0800 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle for a >universal version. > >Kind regards, > >Kevin > >Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta for those who might have to work with that during the interim. Jesse Sng From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 15 19:58:33 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:58:33 +1100 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c61a37$fe5ae110$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Jesse, > Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, > especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta > for those who might have to work with that during the interim. What is Rosetta? Scott From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Sun Jan 15 20:22:13 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:22:13 +0100 Subject: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts Message-ID: HI After the long discussion on font installation in March,(3/3/05 - 30/3/05) and my (unanswered) posting last week on the same topic, I got the following idea: If a downloadable standalone / with an installer/ comes in a folder, in which my fontsuite is included, couldnt an answer dialogue be constructed, which - (when invoked by users clicking a button) by itself, and without the users browsing, could locate the (WIN or MAC) OS fontfolder, and - on users accept - simply move the included fontsuite to that folder. Its a onetime event, and the intricacies of "using the 'ext.dll', installing the fonts as custom properties etc , which I cant understand, and which seems to involve cross platform intricacies, could perhaps be avoided. Of course one could also instruct the user to "manually" copy the dowloaded fontsuite to the OS fontfolder, - but the standalone is meant for users who might not know what a font or a folder is. I guess the handlers for doing this on windows and on macs will be slightly different, - but can it be done on both systems ?- and ... frankly: can someone on the list help with the necessary commands in such answer dialogues.? (That the user will have to restart before using is no problem). Kresten P:S Will a separate script have to be prepared for linux standalones, or would the Win version be sufficient there ? www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg/diary.htm From mdswindell at charter.net Sun Jan 15 21:12:10 2006 From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:12:10 -0800 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <299D4781-F988-404E-AAEC-496D36BB7B5B@charter.net> I think you are right, Judy. These things ought to come out-of-the- box, as well. Rev resources are plentiful, but newbies aren't going to be able to make sense of much of what is available. It strikes me that one large searchable/navigable stack comprised of all of the scripting conferences might be a good thing to ship, and easy enough to create. What a resource. Mark On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Judy Perry wrote: > Think about it: what percentage of that target population do you > really > think will just walk away if these things aren't part of the out-of- > box > experience? Is 50% too generous? (I think it is; I'm betting it's > more > like 75% or higher). From jsng at wayoflife.org Sun Jan 15 21:35:59 2006 From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:35:59 +0800 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: <000001c61a37$fe5ae110$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000001c61a37$fe5ae110$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: >Jesse, > >> Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, >> especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta >> for those who might have to work with that during the interim. > >What is Rosetta? > >Scott Rosetta is the PowerPC emulator that runs on the Intel Macs. It allows existing PowerPC code to be executed on the new intel macs transparently. That includes the current version of Revolution which I assume is able to run flawlessly already. The question of course is whether the plug-ins will run smoothly including things like video capture and so forth. Again I'm guessing but it's probably quite transparent. The issue is whether there is a significant performance hit or not. Jesse From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 15 21:43:03 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:43:03 +1100 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: <299D4781-F988-404E-AAEC-496D36BB7B5B@charter.net> Message-ID: <000301c61a46$97508fb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Mark, > I think you are right, Judy. These things ought to come out-of-the- > box, as well. Rev resources are plentiful, but newbies aren't going > to be able to make sense of much of what is available. I agree. I love Rev. But it took me quite a while to come to grips with it. Compared to some other languages (which are lower level than 4GL) I found it tough going at first. Once beaten though I've noticed I "change my thought mode" to suit how Rev does things. However a lot of people may well not persevere that far. > It strikes me that one large searchable/navigable stack comprised of > all of the scripting conferences might be a good thing to ship, and > easy enough to create. What a resource. That would be incredibly useful! Scott From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 15 21:44:28 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:44:28 +1100 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c61a46$c69b7eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > Rosetta is the PowerPC emulator that runs on the Intel Macs. It > allows existing PowerPC code to be executed on the new intel macs > transparently. That includes the current version of Revolution which > I assume is able to run flawlessly already. > > The question of course is whether the plug-ins will run smoothly > including things like video capture and so forth. Again I'm guessing > but it's probably quite transparent. > > The issue is whether there is a significant performance hit or not. Thank you for taking the time to explain it. It's the fist I've heard of Rosetta. Scott From Stephen.Gorton at oxygenforbusiness.com Sun Jan 15 21:57:33 2006 From: Stephen.Gorton at oxygenforbusiness.com (Gorton, Stephen (Oxygen)) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:57:33 +1300 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution Message-ID: Being a newbie but having a development background with lower level languages, I agree -completely-. It would be a great bonus having at least some sort of crossover docs like c++ -> Rev, from a coding point of view, its just that the syntax and the way you think about everything is greatly different compared to other languages. I've never stuggled so much with another one, -but- I see that when (not if) I get a handle on this that the development timeline goes from months to weeks maybe even days. I get ahead by looking at other revolution code ie: 3party functions etc... and look and how the syntax is written. One large searchable/nav stack (library) would be of -huge- benefit to newbies like me. Joining this list is another necessity as well. s Mark, > I think you are right, Judy. These things ought to come out-of-the- > box, as well. Rev resources are plentiful, but newbies aren't going > to be able to make sense of much of what is available. I agree. I love Rev. But it took me quite a while to come to grips with it. Compared to some other languages (which are lower level than 4GL) I found it tough going at first. Once beaten though I've noticed I "change my thought mode" to suit how Rev does things. However a lot of people may well not persevere that far. > It strikes me that one large searchable/navigable stack comprised of > all of the scripting conferences might be a good thing to ship, and > easy enough to create. What a resource. That would be incredibly useful! 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From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 15 22:04:27 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:04:27 +1100 Subject: Architecting the Doc Solution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c61a49$9103fbd0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > Being a newbie but having a development background with lower > level languages, I agree -completely-. It would be a great > bonus having at least some sort of crossover docs like c++ -> > Rev, from a coding point of view, its just that the syntax > and the way you think about everything is greatly different > compared to other languages. I've never stuggled so much with > another one, -but- I see that when (not > if) I get a handle on this that the development timeline goes > from months to weeks maybe even days. > I get ahead by looking at other revolution code ie: 3party > functions etc... and look and how the syntax is written. One > large searchable/nav stack (library) would be of -huge- > benefit to newbies like me. Joining this list is another > necessity as well. This is where Marielle's site will be so useful. Finding everything one needs in one spot is the best way I know of assisting newbie coders. I've come from and IDE where everything (code wise) is openly available. Sure - some of it is (actually there is a lot) of commercial solutions too. To just "get the job done" is possible with twenty minutes of searching and checking the results. Searching for many Rev resources is much harder. Scott From jsng at wayoflife.org Sun Jan 15 21:58:14 2006 From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:58:14 +0800 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: <000401c61a46$c69b7eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000401c61a46$c69b7eb0$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: >Thank you for taking the time to explain it. It's the >fist I've heard of Rosetta. > >Scott It's supposed to run really fast on the new Macs and that's the only reason why Apple can release their Intel Macs so soon without fear of incompatible software or the lack of upgrades. Jesse From scott at proherp.com Sun Jan 15 22:11:53 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:11:53 +1100 Subject: Rev on Universal Binary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c61a4a$9b1a9330$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> > It's supposed to run really fast on the new Macs and that's the only > reason why Apple can release their Intel Macs so soon without fear of > incompatible software or the lack of upgrades. I was wondering how they were going to achieve that... Scott From chipp at chipp.com Mon Jan 16 00:03:17 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:03:17 -0600 Subject: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CB2915.2000003@chipp.com> Kresten, We've just finished developemnt on the altFont external which will allow Mac and PC users to embed fonts with their applications. They are temporarily installed until: 1) The developer removes them or; 2) The OS restarts We're currently testing them and will have them for sale at Altuit shortly. best, Chipp Kresten Bjerg wrote: > HI > After the long discussion on font installation in March,(3/3/05 - 30/3/05) and my (unanswered) posting last week on the same topic, I got the following idea: > If a downloadable standalone / with an installer/ comes in a folder, in which my fontsuite is included, couldnt an answer dialogue be constructed, which - (when invoked by users clicking a button) by itself, and without the users browsing, could locate the (WIN or MAC) OS fontfolder, and - on users accept - simply move the included fontsuite to that folder. Its a onetime event, and the intricacies of "using the 'ext.dll', installing the fonts as custom properties etc , which I cant understand, and which seems to involve cross platform intricacies, could perhaps be avoided. > Of course one could also instruct the user to "manually" copy the dowloaded fontsuite > to the OS fontfolder, - but the standalone is meant for users who might not know what a font or a folder is. > I guess the handlers for doing this on windows and on macs will be slightly different, - but can it be done on both systems ?- and ... frankly: can someone on the list help with the necessary commands in such answer dialogues.? > (That the user will have to restart before using is no problem). From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Mon Jan 16 02:33:28 2006 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:33:28 -0500 Subject: Universal Binaries and the 2.7 cycle Message-ID: 1. Am I right in assuming that RR 2.7.* will be a 'pay' upgrade rather than a free one, as it involves a significant feature upgrade (Universal Binaries) ? 2. Presumably 'Universal Binaries' refers to Standalones only, and a stack authored on Dreamcard 2.6.1 will be directly transferable to an Intel-Mac where it may be played using a DC 2.7.* player ? One of the MOST FANTASTIC THINGS about RR is that the stacks are universal "already". sincerely, Richmond Mathewson __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html _______________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --------------------------------------------------------------- From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com Mon Jan 16 02:39:09 2006 From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:39:09 -0500 Subject: Off Topic / On Topic: Those Yahoo Groups ? Message-ID: After the "November/December Cafuffle" over what was and what was not the acceptable topic-range on the RR use-list Richard Gaskin set up a rev-biz Yahoo group and I set up a rev-Graphics group - and they died a rapid and perhaps predictable death. I would be grateful if users could e-mail me directly (i.e. don't clog-up this list again) as to whether those Yahoo Groups are worth maintaining or should be "flushed down the toilet of history" - they are probably due for the trashcan; but . . . sincerely, Richmond Mathewson __________________________________________________ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html _______________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --------------------------------------------------------------- From kevin at runrev.com Mon Jan 16 06:02:01 2006 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:01 +0000 Subject: Universal Binaries and the 2.7 cycle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16/1/06 07:33, "Mathewson" wrote: > 1. Am I right in assuming that RR 2.7.* will be a 'pay' > upgrade rather than a free one, as it involves a > significant feature upgrade (Universal Binaries) ? Like all our releases, 2.7 will require a currently active update pack. > 2. Presumably 'Universal Binaries' refers to Standalones > only, and a stack authored on Dreamcard 2.6.1 will be > directly transferable to an Intel-Mac where it may be > played using a DC 2.7.* player ? One of the MOST FANTASTIC > THINGS about RR is that the stacks are universal "already". Yes. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk Mon Jan 16 07:15:10 2006 From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:15:10 +0100 Subject: Svar: Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts Message-ID: Chipp, This sounds like a beauiful solution, but unfortunately not exactly what is needed for our purpose. For one thing, we should avoid embedding 12 fonts in the standalone, as these fonts are planned to be repeatedly updated in the future ,-and users shall be enabled to evolve, furnish and accumulate diary over years in the same personal standalone. Also, the function of removing the fonts when OS restarts works counterpurpose to our concept. We want users to be able to copy and edit text with glyphs from their diaries in Word and other text-editors. But congratulations to your new product. Kresten From mlange at lexicall.org Mon Jan 16 10:18:30 2006 From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:18:30 +0000 Subject: [ANN] new codes website now available. Message-ID: <3C647D8A-B9A1-40B3-8DA7-7C2A882FC6DB@lexicall.org> Dear all, The new website is ready, with now a more homegeneous look-and-feel throughout the different services offered. (all files show as a result of the move of files... if you have a slow connection, wait a week before checking them out again). And lexicall is now at: Automatic forward from the old pages. > For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email > service at my > site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to > let you > all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS > feed, which > can be connected to by going to this page: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/ > subscribe_revupdates.htm Ken's rss feeds integrated in the news agregator. Why Widged.com? Because widged stands more or less for widgets for education. I try to focus on small (widget-size) resources that can be quite difficult to locate or to get to know about. I thought widged would be more a more reusable name for this kind of material than the not so reusable "reusable learning objects" . For an explanation of the green/white logo, see: . Enjoy Marielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk Homepage http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databases http://lexicall.org Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.lexicall.org/wiki From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Jan 16 10:35:41 2006 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:35:41 -0800 Subject: Valentina 2.1 for Revolution Released Message-ID: <20060116153752.589F97F033@spatula.dreamhost.com> Hello all, Valentina for Revolution was just updated to 2.1. We've added the following features (mostly properties) and updated the documentation to support it. Valentina_GetCurrentFormatVersion Valentina_Database(inIntIndex) Valentina_DatabaseCount VDatabase_IsRemote VDatabase_LastInsertedRecID VDatabase_SQLSelectRecords VTable_FieldValue VCursor_FieldValue If you havent looked at Valentina for Revolution since the initial release last summer, there was also a 2.0.5 update. There is also a roughly 20-30% performance boost. In other news, Valentina implementations for the windows only world ( COM, .NET and C++) were all released, as well as C++ ADK for Macintosh. General information is here: http://www.paradigmasoft.com/en/products/developer/adk/V4REV New to Valentina? Valentina for Revolution is the ultra-fast desktop and embedded client-server database solution for Revolution. There are the following implementations for Revolution: Revolution ADK. Single OS versions or both Mac & Windows. The Pro version also includes Valentina Studio, a handy set up and management product. VDN (Revolution). With Valentina Developer Network, you can also deploy, royalty free, Valentina Embedded Server (five connections), and two or more years of updates. Create true, client-server solutions for your customers! Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Jan 16 10:37:39 2006 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:37:39 -0800 Subject: Valentina 1.1 XCMD Mac Free on MacFormat Message-ID: <20060116153950.412577F061@spatula.dreamhost.com> Hello all, Just a quick note to point out that VXCMD 1.1 Mac version is available free on the current version of MacFormat magazine. If you are Mac only, this is an excellent deal. You will also be able to upgrade to Valentina 2.1 for Revolution, just like any other customer. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information From gizmotron at earthlink.net Mon Jan 16 10:55:25 2006 From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:55:25 -0800 Subject: Interpreting a URL? In-Reply-To: <20060115120547.BD24C82501E@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <821AF110-86A8-11DA-8A22-000A95743F7A@earthlink.net> > How ShellExecute Interprets the URL Passed: > > ShellExecute parses the string passed to it to extract either a > protocol specifier or a file extension, which it then uses to > determine what application to launch by looking in the registry. > > If you pass "http://www.microsoft.com" to ShellExecute, the "http://" > sub-string is recognized as a protocol, which causes it to look at > "HKCR\http\shell\open" for information on how to execute. If you pass > "myfile.htm" to ShellExecute, the ".htm" sub-string is recognized as a > file extension causing it to look at "HKCR\.htm," which leads to > "HKCR\htmlfile\shell\open." I'm looking for a way to have a hyperlink in an HTML page, viewed in your favorite browser, open my standalone application on Windows and Mac OSX versions, and have it load that URL in the hyperlink. So I'm thinking that this kind of a hyperlink would do the job: Download it here . I got the idea from a discussion on RSS feeds where links like this: href="feed://www... are used to open a default RSS reader in order to subscribe to it. I'm betting that some additional work on the registry would be needed where my app sets the registry for opening a file while launching my app. I would perhaps need to add "HKCR\mtml\shell\open" to the registry. Has anyone done this already for Windows and/or for Mac? I will need to come up with an applescript solution for this as well. Thanks for any advice, Mark From gbrackett at luceatlux.com Mon Jan 16 11:23:32 2006 From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George Brackett) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:23:32 -0500 Subject: [ANN] new codes website now available. In-Reply-To: <3C647D8A-B9A1-40B3-8DA7-7C2A882FC6DB@lexicall.org> References: <3C647D8A-B9A1-40B3-8DA7-7C2A882FC6DB@lexicall.org> Message-ID: <2890D7EF-AD4F-4CE1-851A-8E68E9611540@luceatlux.com> Great news, Marielle. Congratulations! George On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Marielle Lange wrote: > Dear all, > > The new website is ready, with now a more homegeneous look-and-feel > throughout the different services offered. > > > > > (all files show as a result of the move of files... if you have a > slow connection, wait a week before checking them out again). > > > And lexicall is now at: > > > Automatic forward from the old pages. > >> For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email >> service at my >> site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to >> let you >> all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS >> feed, which >> can be connected to by going to this page: >> >> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/ >> subscribe_revupdates.htm > > Ken's rss feeds integrated in the news agregator. codes.widged.com/?q=aggregator/sources/14> > > Why Widged.com? Because widged stands more or less for widgets for > education. I try to focus on small (widget-size) resources that can > be quite difficult to locate or to get to know about. I thought > widged would be more a more reusable name for this kind of material > than the not so reusable "reusable learning objects" . For an > explanation of the green/white logo, see: lexicall.widged.com/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=22>. > > Enjoy > Marielle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist > > Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk, M.Lange at ed.ac.uk > Homepage > http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ > Easy access to lexical databases http:// > lexicall.org > Supporting Education Technologists http:// > revolution.lexicall.org/wiki > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jason at polydiam.com Mon Jan 16 11:23:59 2006 From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason (Polydiam)) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:23:59 -0000 Subject: Need help, rotating then printing images - whilst still retaining quality Message-ID: <000e01c61ab9$41a21110$0400a8c0@Jason> I've made a stack which allows users to import an image into it then move the image around until they have it where they want it. The user is then able to press print and print out whatever is in that particular stack onto a page onto coordinates I have supplied. When bringing in a large image, the program automatically resizes it to the size of the stack which is 304x380px, and when printing the image, it prints out at a high res (as long as the image is high res). I'm using the following code to rotate the image, so I don't lose image quality: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- put the rect of image "MyImage" on stack "MyStack" into rotateRect1 put the rect of image "MyImage" on stack "MyStack" into rotateRect2 put (item 1 of rotateRect1) into item 2 of rotateRect2 put (item 2 of rotateRect1) into item 1 of rotateRect2 put (item 3 of rotateRect1) into item 4 of rotateRect2 put (item 4 of rotateRect1) into item 3 of rotateRect2 set the angle of image "MyImage" on stack "MyStack" to the angle of image "MyImage" on stack "MyStack" -90 set the rect of image "MyImage" on stack "MyStack" to rotateRect2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I rotate an image using the code above, it look ok on the screen, but oddly, when I try to print the stack using the code below - when an image has been rotated (and only when an image has been rotated), most of the image disappears and very oddly prints out a very small section of the image only. --------------------------------------------- put "18,34,386,538" into imagePrintSize open printing print stack "MyStack" into imagePrintSize close printing -- send group of cards to printer ------------------------------------------------ I can't understand why, Is this a fault with revolution? I've tried using the rotate command, which seems to work, but that loses a lot of quality because the image is resized to the size of the stack. Is there a way rotating an image with the 'angle' command then making a new image from that and then printing? Or a better work around that anyone can think of? I really appreciate the help. Thank you Jason From rcozens at pon.net Mon Jan 16 11:26:20 2006 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:26:20 -0800 Subject: [OT Rant] Re: Portable Apps..? Message-ID: <7.0.0.10.1.20060116073128.01971aa8@pon.net> Bongu Jim, >All stated that it would NOT be accepted in any corporate >environment in Europe as >corporations were banning the use of such devices by people in the office. >No employees were allowed to use such a device in the office. What follows is a rant...please feel free to trash it without reading it (or respond to me privately?): Society, at least in America, is disintegrating because of the prevalent atmosphere of distrust. * I grew up in a society where people were presumed innocent until proven guilty; I live in a society where the government asks its citizens to presume there are enemy terriorists among the people around them. * I live in a society where armed, plain-clothes government agents ride planes, trains, & busses with authority to shoot to kill if anyone utters the words, "I have a bomb", or otherwise acts suspiciously. * I live in a society where a major international airport is shut down for hours because a luggage screener sees "something that looked suspicious" in a suitcase and instead of asking the owner to open the suitcase, reports it to authorities who--after talking to the owner--take the suitcase to the street and blast it with a water cannon. * I live in a society where a flashlight found in a public restroom is sent to an FBI lab to make sure it isn't actually a bomb, the flashlight's owner is being threatened with prosecution, and the authorities & news agencies are still making a case that this was not the asanine screw up that it was. From your post (plus the subway killing in London and the public's acceptance of it) it appears this distrust is world-wide and permeating the private sector as well. I thank God that I am old enough to have lived most of my life in a freer society; but wonder what quality of life awaits my grandson, living in a world where he is distrusted by his government and his employer as well. Society is a joint undertaking; and civilization based on force, secrecy, and distrust condems its members to hell on earth. Rob Cozens "No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." --James Madison, April 20, 1795 From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Mon Jan 16 11:42:58 2006 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:42:58 -0500 Subject: Revolution Preferences In-Reply-To: <20060116153651.2736C82524C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060116153651.2736C82524C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <21DA58B9-5535-44B4-9247-68D82EEA437D@videotron.ca> Thank you, Ken. Another excellent suggestion; I never knew templateField existed! This discussion list rocks. Gregory On 16-Jan-06, at 10:36 AM, Ken Ray responded: > On 1/15/06 10:52 AM, "Gregory Lypny" > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for >> object in Revolution. I notice in Revolution's Preference window >> that default object sizes can be set. It would be nice to be able to >> set default field properties such as font and text size. Would that >> somehow be done through custom properties? > > In addition to Eric's excellent comments, you can also set "the > templateField" with properties prior to creating fields. All > objects have a > template, so you can set the template ahead of time and then from > that point > forward (until you change it or quit Rev) any objects you create > will have > those properties. > > So you could say: > > set the textFont of the templateField to "Comic Sans" > set the textSize of the templateField to "14 > create field > > Anyway, lookup the template___ entries in the Transcript Dictionary > for more > info. > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Mon Jan 16 13:07:48 2006 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:07:48 +0100 Subject: revPrintField and DreamCard Player Message-ID: <002E262A-86BB-11DA-B353-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr> In the app. I am just completing, I have a button on each card with witch the user can print a field. After some lines that format the text (font, size, color etc), the last two lines of the button script are : revShowPrintDialog true,true revPrintField ("field" && quote & "MyField" & quote) This works nicely with Revolution on Mac ; the two dialog boxes ("setup" and "print") are displayed one after the other, allowing to print the field. I event discovered that the first line is not necessary ; if I suppress it, the "revPrintField" does all the work, displaying the two dialog boxes, and I can print. But, it does not work so well when I launch my app. with DreamCard Player (for Mac). With the player, only the setUp dialog box appear, and when I click on "OK" nothing else happens ; the second box is not displayed and I can't print. Thanks in advance for any advice, Andr? From robertum at brturbo.com Mon Jan 16 13:17:43 2006 From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:17:43 -0200 Subject: File/Picture Chooser Widgets available for Windows XP Message-ID: <43CBE347.4090708@brturbo.com> Dear Windows XP Users, I have produced 2 standalone widgets for the selection of files or pictures (with preview). They are free, and you can use them as you wish. To download the demo pack, please navigate to:- http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/runrev/ - where you will find the file: RunRev_Chooser_Widgets_DEMO_PACK_1.zip This ZIP archive contains a readme file which gives full instructions for use and testing. My real intention is to produce similar widgets for Linux, but I thought it would be easier to do a Windows XP version first to gain experience, since I am more familar with Windows. I will be working on the Linux versions as of now. Once the similar Linux versions have been produced, I will almost certainly beautify the widgets in #2, allowing the user to include his own background image and perhaps using little pictures for the HD tree nodes instead of the symbols "+" and "--" that I have used in #1. Thereafter, if the demand exists, we can look into the problem of producing versions for MAC - facilitated by the existence of the Linux versions. Unfortunately, I don't possess a Macintosh computer, nor am I likely to on account of their very high price in Brazil. But first things first, let's see if you think the widgets are worth developing further! Best, Bob From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Jan 16 13:19:41 2006 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:19:41 -0800 Subject: Off Topic / On Topic: Those Yahoo Groups ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CBE3BD.8080807@fourthworld.com> Mathewson wrote: > After the "November/December Cafuffle" over what was and > what was not the acceptable topic-range on the RR use-list > Richard Gaskin set up a rev-biz Yahoo group and I set up a > rev-Graphics group - and they died a rapid and perhaps > predictable death. > > I would be grateful if users could e-mail me directly (i.e. > don't clog-up this list again) as to whether those Yahoo > Groups are worth maintaining or should be "flushed down the > toilet of history" Working with graphics would seem to fall under the charter of this use-rev list, so I'm not sure why there's a separate group for that. Using the documentation would also seem within the charter of this list, but a working group for detailed discussions of revising the docs for the future has been given RunRev's blessing at: A specific task from RunRev was once given to that group, and other opportunities may come along later. The central mandate -- that recommendations refined there and then presented to RunRev will be given consideration -- remains. The Rev-Biz group was formed as an outlet for often lengthy discussions about how RunRev should run their business. Since those have been cited by RunRev as outside of the charter of this list, Rev-Biz remains available for anyone with a need to delve into such things in detail: RevInterop is a working group for defining and evangelizing guidelines for making components that work well together: Significant work has been done by that group, and the first draft of interoperability guidelines has been published there. The MC IDE working group maintains and distributes the MetaCard IDE for the engine for anyone with an Enterprise (MetaCard) license: Version 2.6b12 was released there a couple weeks ago, and will likely go final soon. Alain Farmer's FreeGUI is an extension of the MC IDE, open for contributions from those who'd like to see a more HyperCard-like interface for working with the Rev engine: The Revolution IPC group got off to a strong start in crafting a library for inter-process communication, but currently appears to be stalled -- maybe all that's needed is a little fresh blood to complete it: The SoCal Rev group exists only for planning meetings for the regional Southern California Rev User Group: The original HyperCard list remains somewhat active there for those who wish to discuss the mother tongue: Aside from the graphics group, these serve peripheral interests which seem outside the charter of this list; most remain active and viable. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Jan 16 13:40:25 2006 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:40:25 -0800 Subject: Svar: Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CD98112-3857-4FFB-8B78-30300D7B7369@canelasoftware.com> On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:15 AM, Kresten Bjerg wrote: > Chipp, > This sounds like a beauiful solution, but unfortunately not exactly > what is needed for our purpose. > For one thing, we should avoid embedding 12 fonts in the > standalone, as these fonts are planned to be repeatedly updated in > the future > ,-and users shall be enabled to evolve, furnish and accumulate > diary over years in the same personal standalone. > Also, the function of removing the fonts when OS restarts works > counterpurpose to our concept. > We want users to be able to copy and edit text with glyphs from > their diaries in Word and other text-editors. > But congratulations to your new product. Kresten, If Chipp's wonderful solution does not work for you then you might consider the following: We have been doing this for our font product and it works very well. 1. Macs can install the fonts directly from a standalone by spitting out the contents of a custom property to the proper location. 2. Windows requires an installer that sets the registry properly. We have a standalone that spits out the installer (www.clickteam.com), runs it, and deletes it when it is done. We even have a key/registration process that validates the user through the standalone. It all works very well and have had no problems with this solution. The fonts are installed for use by all applications. They can be updated by repeating the process with a newer standalone. If you would like to try it out, just e-mail me and I would be more than happy to provide you with a registration key to our fonts. Best regards, Mark Talluto President CANELA Software 25920 Iris Ave Ste 13A-170 Moreno Valley, CA 92551 tel: (310) 483-9919 fax: (951) 924-6240 http://www.canelasoftware.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Jan 16 13:59:52 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:59:52 -0600 Subject: [ANN] StackRunner 1.3 Released Message-ID: An update to StackRunner was released today; the new version allows for opening files directly from the Internet by changing the configuration document's open property to point to a URL instead of a path on disk. If the stack can't be opened (for example, if an incorrect URL is provided), the default "ask file" dialog box will be displayed. Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Jan 16 14:03:35 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:03:35 -0600 Subject: [ANN] StackRunner 1.3 Released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/16/06 12:59 PM, "Ken Ray" wrote: > An update to StackRunner was released today; the new version allows for > opening files directly from the Internet by changing the configuration > document's open property to point to a URL instead of a path on disk. If the > stack can't be opened (for example, if an incorrect URL is provided), the > default "ask file" dialog box will be displayed. Whoops! For got the URL: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From chipp at chipp.com Mon Jan 16 14:24:41 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:24:41 -0600 Subject: Svar: Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts In-Reply-To: <5CD98112-3857-4FFB-8B78-30300D7B7369@canelasoftware.com> References: <5CD98112-3857-4FFB-8B78-30300D7B7369@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <43CBF2F9.7050201@chipp.com> Hi Mark, I don't think it's necessary to change any registry settings to install a font permanently on Windows. You just copy the font to C:/Windows/Fonts and you're good to go. As I mentioned earlier, altFont installs fonts (not in the Fonts directory) temporarily, so that users can work with them, but not have them permanently installed. This is great for lots of different kind of applications. For instance, one could make a font viewer application, or an application like Suitcase, which installs and removed fonts on the fly. best, Chipp Mark Talluto wrote: > 2. Windows requires an installer that sets the registry properly. We > have a standalone that spits out the installer (www.clickteam.com), > runs it, and deletes it when it is done. From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Jan 16 14:32:07 2006 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:32:07 -0800 Subject: Svar: Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts In-Reply-To: <43CBF2F9.7050201@chipp.com> References: <5CD98112-3857-4FFB-8B78-30300D7B7369@canelasoftware.com> <43CBF2F9.7050201@chipp.com> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I don't think it's necessary to change any registry settings to > install a font permanently on Windows. You just copy the font to C:/ > Windows/Fonts and you're good to go. > > As I mentioned earlier, altFont installs fonts (not in the Fonts > directory) temporarily, so that users can work with them, but not > have them permanently installed. This is great for lots of > different kind of applications. For instance, one could make a font > viewer application, or an application like Suitcase, which installs > and removed fonts on the fly. > > best, > > Chipp > > Mark Talluto wrote: > >> 2. Windows requires an installer that sets the registry >> properly. We have a standalone that spits out the installer >> (www.clickteam.com), runs it, and deletes it when it is done. > Hi Chipp, My experience on early versions of our installer revealed many problems for users when we just dropped the fonts into the directory. Most users reported problems when the system was restarted. I found the same problems on my systems over here as well. Applications would just not show the fonts after the restart. Things got real smooth once we used an actual installer to do the work. I would love to be able to remove that portion of the workload if we could do it reliably. -Mark From robertum at brturbo.com Mon Jan 16 14:40:44 2006 From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:40:44 -0200 Subject: File/Picture Chooser Widgets available for Windows XP - PS Message-ID: <43CBF6BC.1070806@brturbo.com> P.S. For now, please run the stack TEST_Launch_File_Choosers_Windows_46.rev in 1024x768 resolution. It has a problem at other resolutions, which I will try to resolve as soon as I can. The widgets themselves are OK. Bob From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 16 14:50:11 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:50:11 +0100 Subject: Quicktime player issue Message-ID: Hello, I think on Windows with Rev 2.6.1 and the latest Quicktime (i think this occurs with other configurations too), the player component when hidden on a cd stops to play after about 2 secs... I set the filename of the player to a file and wanted it to play on openCard ; it always stopped after about 2 secs :-( With some experimenting I "resolved" this issue by letting the vis of player to true and setting its loc "outside" the cd (e.g. -15,15); this resolved the problem ; the player went on as it should... Strange, he ? A bug ? Christian From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Jan 16 15:04:52 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:04:52 +0100 Subject: Quicktime player issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Christian, Le 16 janv. 06 ? 20:50, Christian Langers a ?crit : > Hello, > > I think on Windows with Rev 2.6.1 and the latest Quicktime (i think > this occurs with other configurations too), the player component > when hidden on a cd stops to play after about 2 secs... > > I set the filename of the player to a file and wanted it to play on > openCard ; it always stopped after about 2 secs :-( > > With some experimenting I "resolved" this issue by letting the vis > of player to true and setting its loc "outside" the cd (e.g. -15,15); > > this resolved the problem ; the player went on as it should... > > Strange, he ? A bug ? Not a bug, fortunately just normal behavior: the visible of a player has to be true to work (QT "monitoring issue"). Happy you found a solution by yourself :-) You have other solutions (just for fun)as: set the rect of the player to 0,-1,0,-1 :-) On the other hand, note that if you embed the player into a hidden group (just an idea), it will appear when starting! Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Jan 16 15:13:00 2006 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:13:00 +0100 Subject: Quicktime player issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, happy to read that's not a bug... but it costed it me nerves to find out !!!!!!! :-) Christian Le 16 janv. 06 ? 21:04, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > Hi Christian, > > Le 16 janv. 06 ? 20:50, Christian Langers a ?crit : > >> Hello, >> >> I think on Windows with Rev 2.6.1 and the latest Quicktime (i >> think this occurs with other configurations too), the player >> component when hidden on a cd stops to play after about 2 secs... >> >> I set the filename of the player to a file and wanted it to play >> on openCard ; it always stopped after about 2 secs :-( >> >> With some experimenting I "resolved" this issue by letting the vis >> of player to true and setting its loc "outside" the cd (e.g. -15,15); >> >> this resolved the problem ; the player went on as it should... >> >> Strange, he ? A bug ? > > Not a bug, fortunately just normal behavior: the visible of a > player has to be true to work (QT "monitoring issue"). > Happy you found a solution by yourself :-) > You have other solutions (just for fun)as: set the rect of the > player to 0,-1,0,-1 :-) > On the other hand, note that if you embed the player into a hidden > group (just an idea), it will appear when starting! > > Best Regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Jan 16 14:56:02 2006 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:56:02 -0600 Subject: [ANN] new codes website now available. In-Reply-To: <3C647D8A-B9A1-40B3-8DA7-7C2A882FC6DB@lexicall.org> Message-ID: On 1/16/06 9:18 AM, "Marielle Lange" wrote: > Ken's rss feeds integrated in the news agregator. codes.widged.com/?q=aggregator/sources/14> Thanks, Marielle! > Why Widged.com? Because widged stands more or less for widgets for > education. Is that pronounced "widj-ed" or "widjd"? I'm assuming the former... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com From mail at richard-hillen.de Mon Jan 16 16:58:33 2006 From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:58:33 +0100 Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute Message-ID: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> Hello, On OSX 10.4.4 I?m using revMail to send some Data using the Mac-Mail- Programm.. After upgrading to 10.4.4. this doesn?t work. I found the cause was a "german Umlaut" in the text of the subject. revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausf?llen","Text of Mail" doesn?t work, but revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausfuellen","Text of Mail" will be ok. Any hints, what to do? Richard. From rev at armbase.com Mon Jan 16 17:03:58 2006 From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:03:58 +0000 Subject: copy field from one stack to another Message-ID: Hi All. Back from my christmas holidays and forgoten everything. :) I have one stack "Build from xdf" that has a text field called "text"> I'll change this soon. I want to copy this to a test stack called destination. This is dependent on a menu chioce. I can get the button I have with the handler, to perform insertion of text into a field depending on the menu choice (menui is om1), however, when I make this button with the field copy script nothing happens. Anything wrong with this? on mouseUp put the selectedtext of button om1 into OM1temp if OM1temp is "text field" then copy field "text" of stack "Build from XDF" to stack Destination set the name of it to "Field1" end if end mouseUp Happy new year. Bob From chipp at chipp.com Mon Jan 16 17:32:54 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:32:54 -0600 Subject: Svar: Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts In-Reply-To: References: <5CD98112-3857-4FFB-8B78-30300D7B7369@canelasoftware.com> <43CBF2F9.7050201@chipp.com> Message-ID: <43CC1F16.1070101@chipp.com> Hi Mark, I've never been able to find anywhere in the registry where a particular font has been installed. My understanding is there is a font table which is stored in memory on XP and updated when you put a font in and out of Windows. Perhaps the installer is doing something else, like 'touching' the file somehow. Is it putting it in the Fonts folder? best, Chipp Mark Talluto wrote: > My experience on early versions of our installer revealed many problems > for users when we just dropped the fonts into the directory. Most > users reported problems when the system was restarted. I found the > same problems on my systems over here as well. Applications would just > not show the fonts after the restart. Things got real smooth once we > used an actual installer to do the work. I would love to be able to > remove that portion of the workload if we could do it reliably. From benbock at msn.com Mon Jan 16 18:02:25 2006 From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:02:25 -0800 Subject: More Newby Questions Message-ID: I have a timed quiz spread across several cards, each card has a "Next Page" button. The quiz starts with a button. To start the quiz, a button has: on mouseUp startTimer go next end mouseUp The card script has: on startTimer send timesUp to me in 120 seconds end startTimer on timesUp go card "Finish Card" end timesUp This works, but.. If the person finishes the quiz before the timer, I want them to be able to stop the timer process. Otherwise, the timer may run out and send them to the "Finished" card after they have begun another task, and cause confusion. So I made a button on the last page page of the quiz, an "I'm Finished" button. The variable "Nevermind" is sent by this button: on mouseUp NeverMind go next end mouseUp I have tried adding statements to the stack script, like: if "NeverMind" then exit timesUp or on Nevermind exit startTimer end NeverMind Also variations of these. Nothing works when I move through it, the timer simply runs out and moves to the "Finish Card". Any help appreciated. Thank you, Ben From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Jan 16 19:05:20 2006 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:05:20 -0800 Subject: Svar: Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts In-Reply-To: <43CC1F16.1070101@chipp.com> References: <5CD98112-3857-4FFB-8B78-30300D7B7369@canelasoftware.com> <43CBF2F9.7050201@chipp.com> <43CC1F16.1070101@chipp.com> Message-ID: <208E224A-5020-4DED-B819-02C9ED0EE51F@canelasoftware.com> Hi Chipp, The installer is putting the files into the fonts folder. I figured it must be doing something else to make them *stick*. I just do not know what that special thing is. Best regards, Mark On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I've never been able to find anywhere in the registry where a > particular font has been installed. My understanding is there is a > font table which is stored in memory on XP and updated when you put > a font in and out of Windows. Perhaps the installer is doing > something else, like 'touching' the file somehow. Is it putting it > in the Fonts folder? > > best, > > Chipp > > Mark Talluto wrote: > > >> My experience on early versions of our installer revealed many >> problems for users when we just dropped the fonts into the >> directory. Most users reported problems when the system was >> restarted. I found the same problems on my systems over here as >> well. Applications would just not show the fonts after the >> restart. Things got real smooth once we used an actual installer >> to do the work. I would love to be able to remove that portion >> of the workload if we could do it reliably. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Mon Jan 16 19:06:45 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:06:45 +0000 Subject: More Newby Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16 Jan 2006, at 23:02, Ben Bock wrote: > I have a timed quiz spread across several cards, each card has a > "Next Page" button. The quiz starts with a button. > > To start the quiz, a button has: > > on mouseUp > startTimer > go next > end mouseUp > > > The card script has: > > > on startTimer > send timesUp to me in 120 seconds > end startTimer > > on timesUp > go card "Finish Card" > end timesUp > It's probably better to place these handlers in the stack script. (see below) Here are two possible approaches: 1. In the stack script: --------------------------------------- local sTimerOn on startTimer put true into sTimerOn send timesUp to me in 120 seconds end startTimer on timesUp if sTimerOn then go card "Finish Card" end if end timesUp on NeverMind put false into sTimerOn end NeverMind ---------------------------------- 2. In the stack script: --------------------------------------- local sTimerID on startTimer send timesUp to me in 120 seconds put the result into sTimerID end startTimer on timesUp go card "Finish Card" end timesUp on NeverMind cancel sTimerID end NeverMind ---------------------------------- In both cases, the two mouseUp handlers you currently have should work fine. Note that it's important that the "script local" variables (sTimerID or sTimerOn) are declared outside the handlers. In this way they can be be shared by all the handlers in the stack script. Cheers Dave From soapdog at mac.com Mon Jan 16 20:01:08 2006 From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:01:08 -0200 Subject: Half-OT: I am not alone anymore (was Re: File/Picture Chooser Widgets available for Windows XP) In-Reply-To: <43CBE347.4090708@brturbo.com> References: <43CBE347.4090708@brturbo.com> Message-ID: <5DD6289A-80B8-417C-B510-CC4D09CCFE3C@mac.com> Oi Bob, I see by your mail that you're also in Brazil, good! I always wondered if I was the only brazilian on the list. I have a mac, so I can test your stuff if you need. I don't have a windows machine so I didn't saw your stacks, if you could point us to shots would be cool! cheers, Be welcome! Should we create Brazilian Revolution User Group? Andre On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Bob Warren wrote: > Thereafter, if the demand exists, we can look into the problem of > producing versions for MAC - facilitated by the existence of the > Linux versions. Unfortunately, I don't possess a Macintosh > computer, nor am I likely to on account of their very high price in > Brazil. But first things first, let's see if you think the widgets > are worth developing further! > > Best, > Bob From robertum at brturbo.com Mon Jan 16 21:56:09 2006 From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:56:09 -0200 Subject: Half-OT: I am not alone anymore (was Re: File/Picture Chooser Widgets available for Windows XP) In-Reply-To: <5DD6289A-80B8-417C-B510-CC4D09CCFE3C@mac.com> References: <43CBE347.4090708@brturbo.com> <5DD6289A-80B8-417C-B510-CC4D09CCFE3C@mac.com> Message-ID: <43CC5CC9.2090200@brturbo.com> Hi Andre, We've "met" by e-mail before, but it was a long time ago and perhaps you don't remember because I was obliged to add a new e-mail service provider for the Use-Revolution lists (robertum at brturbo.com). When RunRev upgraded their server last July, it couldn't manage to send stuff anymore to warren at howsoft.com. My previous communications were from howsoft.com. Thanks for the kind offer of a Mac for testing purposes. That'll be great - when the time comes. As I said in the original thread, my main purpose is to produce the widgets for Linux. I don't know much about the Mac file system, but I imagine that once I have the Linux version in my hands, the adaption to Mac will be relatively easy. The conversion to Linux will take more than a few days though. These widgets are FAR from trivial, and it took me quite a few months to produce the Windows XP versions. Bear in mind though that I had never written a real Revolution app before. Now I've had a little practice in Rev, I just have to get used to Linux! The idea of a Brazilian Revolution User Group is an interesting idea, but if you don't mind I would like to leave it an open question at this very moment. There has been a lot of discussion on the Use-Revolution list recently about alternative/complementary user groups/forums etc. I didn't participate because I considered that few people seemed to appreciate the important concept of "good enough". The Use-Rev list has its drawbacks, but it also has some wonderful advantages. From a Brazilian point of view, I think that it is good because it forces users to try and communicate in English. That said though, it is easy for me because English is my mother tongue. And, taking into account that there may be quite a number of Brazilian RR users, we seem to be the only Brazilians participating on the U-R list.... But part of my motivation for not wanting to participate immediately in a Brazilian Revolution User Group is the question of time. I am an old man who thinks and works slowly, and at the moment I would prefer to serve Brazil by helping the country move towards Linux and actually producing some fundamental software for it. I live in Florianopolis, Santa Catarina, which as you know is a little island just off the coast. Have you ever been to Floripa? Who knows, one year RR might decide to hold one of their meetings here, preferably near one of the 40 odd beaches, but avoiding carnival time at the end of February on account of the flow of alcohol and the sight of the tiny bikinis which might be slightly distracting to the gringos! Best regards, Bob P.S. >I don't have a windows machine so I didn't saw your stacks, if you could point us to shots would be cool! If you are talking about screen shots, I have not yet had time to document the widgets properly at my site. However, very soon I hope to correct this and to provide the necessary screenshots. I'll let you know when it's ready. --------------------------------- Andre Garzia wrote: > Oi Bob, > > I see by your mail that you're also in Brazil, good! I always wondered > if I was the only brazilian on the list. I have a mac, so I can test > your stuff if you need. I don't have a windows machine so I didn't saw > your stacks, if you could point us to shots would be cool! > > cheers, > Be welcome! > > Should we create Brazilian Revolution User Group? > Andre > > On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Bob Warren wrote: > >> Thereafter, if the demand exists, we can look into the problem of >> producing versions for MAC - facilitated by the existence of the >> Linux versions. Unfortunately, I don't possess a Macintosh computer, >> nor am I likely to on account of their very high price in Brazil. But >> first things first, let's see if you think the widgets are worth >> developing further! >> >> >> Best, >> >> Bob >> > From jhonken at x12.info Mon Jan 16 23:16:45 2006 From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:16:45 -0700 Subject: Rev Player Message-ID: <000101c61b1c$d735f670$640fa8c0@work1> Does anyone know if the source code for the rev player is available? I've searched the internet and there seems to be some people that have a modified version so I'm thinking it's available. If so can someone show me where it can be obtained? From scott at proherp.com Mon Jan 16 23:16:26 2006 From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:16:26 +1100 Subject: Table Field Message-ID: <000f01c61b1c$cda2f180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Hi people, I know this has got to be an easy one, but I'm not making any progress on it. How does one loop through the lines (to get a column) of a Table Field? What I need is to loop through the lines of a table field that I will not know the number of lines of in advance. Then I need to get the second column of the table field and put it into another field. So far I only manage to get the first line's column two. TIA Scott From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 17 00:51:44 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:51:44 +0100 Subject: Table Field In-Reply-To: <000f01c61b1c$cda2f180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> References: <000f01c61b1c$cda2f180$0201010a@proherpgs50j4l> Message-ID: Hi Scott, The "How to Manage Table Fields" tutorial might help you: This stack, which comprises a Lab section and an Explanations section, explains table fields and all the aspects that for the moment are still not documented (dysfunctions included :-) Fully commented scripts lets you start working with them at once. You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web. You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/. Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section. At the moment, 19 tutorials are available through "Tutorials Picker": How to Monitor a QuickTime Player by Script How to Download Data from the Internet How to Manage Stack Resizing How to Manage Table Fields How to Display and Manage Ask Dialogs How to Display and Manage Answer Dialogs How to Manage Tabbed Buttons How to Ask for a Password How to Manage User's Waiting Time How to Manage Drag and Drop for Files or Folders How to Fix Stack Decorations How to build and Manage Dynamic Menus How to Manage "Snap to" Scrollbars How to Create Contextual Tooltips on-the-fly How to Store Images How to Create and Manage HTML lists How to Install "Metal Appearance" on All Platforms How to Change Card Dimensions Smoothly How to Magnify Images Le 17 janv. 06 ? 05:16, Scott Kane a ?crit : > I know this has got to be an easy one, but I'm > not making any progress on it. How does one > loop through the lines (to get a column) of > a Table Field? > > What I need is to loop through the lines of > a table field that I will not know the number > of lines of in advance. > > Then I need to get the second column of the > table field and put it into another field. > > So far I only manage to get the first line's > column two. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 17 01:15:00 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:15:00 +0100 Subject: copy field from one stack to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22D76A85-73D2-47F8-A638-156A37B0F545@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Bob, I ran your handler here and it works! ... If you quote all text values :-) So, you might only prefer a more rigorous formulation: on mouseUp switch the selectedtext of button "om1" case "text field" copy field "text" of stack "Build from XDF" to stack "Destination" set the name of it to "Field1" break case break ... default answer error "There was an error" with "Sorry" end switch end mouseUp Le 16 janv. 06 ? 23:03, Bob Hartley a ?crit : > I have one stack "Build from xdf" that has a text field called > "text"> I'll > change this soon. I want to copy this to a test stack called > destination. > This is dependent on a menu chioce. > > I can get the button I have with the handler, to perform insertion > of text > into a field depending on the menu choice (menui is om1), however, > when I > make this button with the field copy script nothing happens. > > Anything wrong with this? > > on mouseUp > put the selectedtext of button om1 into OM1temp > if OM1temp is "text field" then > copy field "text" of stack "Build from XDF" to stack Destination > set the name of it to "Field1" > end if > end mouseUp Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 01:53:13 2006 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:53:13 +1000 Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute In-Reply-To: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> References: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> Message-ID: > On OSX 10.4.4 I?m using revMail to send some Data using the Mac-Mail- > Programm.. > > After upgrading to 10.4.4. this doesn?t work. I found the cause was > a "german Umlaut" in the text of the subject. > > revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausf?llen","Text of Mail" > > doesn?t work, but > > revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausfuellen","Text of Mail" > > will be ok. The same thing happens on Mac OS X 10.4.3 here, although you need an extra comma between the "To" address & the subject, unless you want to specify a CC recipient. I had a look at the script in the revCommon library and it contains the following lines: put urlEncode(pSubject) into pSubject put urlEncode(pBody) into pBody replace "+" with "%20" in pSubject replace "+" with "%20" in pBody I would have thought they would make it work, even with umlauts, but in fact, when I commented them out, it all worked fine. This may be only with later Mac systems and it may be only with Apple mail rather than any other email client, so I would be reluctant to make the change for an app you mean to distribute, but for your own purposes, it should work fine. Cheers, Sarah From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Jan 17 02:21:32 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:21:32 +0000 Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute In-Reply-To: References: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> Message-ID: <85D7C2CE-8F3D-45C7-8BE8-6B1E4948D005@lacscentre.co.uk> On 17 Jan 2006, at 06:53, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> >> revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausf?llen","Text of Mail" >> >> doesn?t work, but > > > I had a look at the script in the revCommon library and it contains > the following lines: > put urlEncode(pSubject) into pSubject > put urlEncode(pBody) into pBody > replace "+" with "%20" in pSubject > replace "+" with "%20" in pBody > > I would have thought they would make it work, even with umlauts, but > in fact, when I commented them out, it all worked fine. Using utf8 for the subject and message text also seems to work. put uniDecode(uniEncode("Hier Ausf?llen"),utf8) into tSubject revmail "hello at mydomain.de", tSubject,"Text of Mail" As with Sarah's solution, I don't know what will happen with other mail clients. But at least you can avoid editing the rev library. Cheers Dave From rev at armbase.com Tue Jan 17 02:37:51 2006 From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:37:51 +0000 Subject: copy field from one stack to another In-Reply-To: <22D76A85-73D2-47F8-A638-156A37B0F545@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <22D76A85-73D2-47F8-A638-156A37B0F545@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: You wrote: > Hi Bob, Hi Eric I have a similar menupick in the optionbutton of another stack. I didn't realise you could do this with a button. This is a top tip for me. I'lll give it a go later on. Best regards and thanks again Bob > > I ran your handler here and it works! ... If you quote all text values :-) > So, you might only prefer a more rigorous formulation: > > on mouseUp > switch the selectedtext of button "om1" > case "text field" > copy field "text" of stack "Build from XDF" to stack "Destination" > set the name of it to "Field1" > break > case > > break > ... > default > answer error "There was an error" with "Sorry" > end switch > end mouseUp > > Le 16 janv. 06 ? 23:03, Bob Hartley a ?crit : > > > I have one stack "Build from xdf" that has a text field called "text"> > > I'll change this soon. I want to copy this to a test stack called > > destination. This is dependent on a menu chioce. > > > > I can get the button I have with the handler, to perform insertion of > > text into a field depending on the menu choice (menui is om1), however, > > when I make this button with the field copy script nothing happens. > > > > Anything wrong with this? > > > > on mouseUp > > put the selectedtext of button om1 into OM1temp > > if OM1temp is "text field" then > > copy field "text" of stack "Build from XDF" to stack Destination > > set the name of it to "Field1" > > end if > > end mouseUp > > Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ > eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing > list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, > unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Jan 17 03:15:04 2006 From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:15:04 +0000 Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute In-Reply-To: <85D7C2CE-8F3D-45C7-8BE8-6B1E4948D005@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> <85D7C2CE-8F3D-45C7-8BE8-6B1E4948D005@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <3138334B-7CD9-45C4-B0E9-48ABD689C63E@lacscentre.co.uk> On 17 Jan 2006, at 07:21, Dave Cragg wrote: > put uniDecode(uniEncode("Hier Ausf?llen"),utf8) into tSubject > revmail "hello at mydomain.de", tSubject,"Text of Mail" > Sorry, I repeated the original syntax error. It needs an extra comma. put uniDecode(uniEncode("Hier Ausf?llen"),utf8) into tSubject revmail "hello at mydomain.de",,tSubject,"Text of Mail" Cheers Dave From thierry.arbellot at laposte.net Tue Jan 17 06:02:36 2006 From: thierry.arbellot at laposte.net (Thierry Arbellot) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:02:36 +0100 Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute In-Reply-To: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> References: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524@richard-hillen.de> Message-ID: <08a732308335bd811222c2e467f5ed08@laposte.net> Bugzilla 2259, reported in October 2004, status is still pending. Thierry On 2006, Jan 16, , at 22:58, R. Hillen wrote: > Hello, > > On OSX 10.4.4 I?m using revMail to send some Data using the > Mac-Mail-Programm.. > > After upgrading to 10.4.4. this doesn?t work. I found the cause was a > "german Umlaut" in the text of the subject. > > revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausf?llen","Text of Mail" > > doesn?t work, but > > revmail "hello at mydomain.de","Hier Ausfuellen","Text of Mail" > > will be ok. > > Any hints, what to do? > > Richard._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jason at polydiam.com Tue Jan 17 06:20:46 2006 From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason (Polydiam)) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:20:46 -0000 Subject: create a new image from the pixels of another Message-ID: <000901c61b58$0fee8640$0400a8c0@Jason> I want to take image, that has been rotated through the 'angle' command, and copy its contents to a brand new image. Is this possible? Thanks Jason From klaus at major-k.de Tue Jan 17 06:35:23 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:35:23 +0100 Subject: create a new image from the pixels of another In-Reply-To: <000901c61b58$0fee8640$0400a8c0@Jason> References: <000901c61b58$0fee8640$0400a8c0@Jason> Message-ID: <54F94A62-09E7-42B3-9F2D-A80BDBE31FEC@major-k.de> Hi Jason, > I want to take image, that has been rotated through the 'angle' > command, and > copy its contents to a brand new image. > > Is this possible? Yes. But you will have to make sure that the old and the new image have exactly the same dimensions! Like this: ... set the height of img "the new one" to the height of img "the rotated one" set the width of img "the new one" to the width of img "the rotated one" set the imagedata of img "the new one" to the imagedata of img "the rotated one" ## "imagedata" is the "secret" word :-) ... But you may be disappointed, since the "free space" (if not rotated by 90, 180 or 270 degrees) will be filled with black in the new image :-/ > Thanks > > Jason Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From jason at polydiam.com Tue Jan 17 07:20:02 2006 From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason (Polydiam)) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:20:02 -0000 Subject: create a new image from the pixels of another In-Reply-To: <000e01c61b5f$f0246d40$0400a8c0@Jason> Message-ID: <001501c61b60$584adf30$0400a8c0@Jason> Hi, Thank you for that, One last thing, how do you create the empty image "the new one" through code when it is needed? Thank you >>Hi Jason, > I want to take image, that has been rotated through the 'angle' > command, and > copy its contents to a brand new image. > > Is this possible? >>Yes. >>But you will have to make sure that the old and the new image have >>exactly the same dimensions! >>Like this: >>... >>set the height of img "the new one" to the height of img "the rotated >>one" >>set the width of img "the new one" to the width of img "the rotated one" >>set the imagedata of img "the new one" to the imagedata of img "the >>rotated one" >>## "imagedata" is the "secret" word :-) >>... >>But you may be disappointed, since the "free space" (if not rotated >>by 90, 180 or 270 degrees) >>will be filled with black in the new image :-/ > Thanks > > Jason >>I want to take image, that has been rotated through the 'angle' command, and copy its contents to a brand new image. >>Is this possible? >>Thanks >>Jason From jason at polydiam.com Tue Jan 17 07:22:23 2006 From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason (Polydiam)) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:22:23 -0000 Subject: create a new image from the pixels of another Message-ID: <001a01c61b60$abfd6a80$0400a8c0@Jason> Hi, Thank you for that, One last thing, how do you create the empty image "the new one" through code when it is needed? Thank you Sorry I want to create a new image on a substack from code in the mainstack. Hi, Thank you for that, One last thing, how do you create the empty image "the new one" through code when it is needed? Thank you >>Hi Jason, > I want to take image, that has been rotated through the 'angle' > command, and > copy its contents to a brand new image. > > Is this possible? >>Yes. >>But you will have to make sure that the old and the new image have >>exactly the same dimensions! >>Like this: >>... >>set the height of img "the new one" to the height of img "the rotated >>one" >>set the width of img "the new one" to the width of img "the rotated one" >>set the imagedata of img "the new one" to the imagedata of img "the >>rotated one" >>## "imagedata" is the "secret" word :-) >>... >>But you may be disappointed, since the "free space" (if not rotated >>by 90, 180 or 270 degrees) >>will be filled with black in the new image :-/ > Thanks > > Jason >>I want to take image, that has been rotated through the 'angle' command, and copy its contents to a brand new image. >>Is this possible? >>Thanks >>Jason From klaus at major-k.de Tue Jan 17 07:34:39 2006 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:34:39 +0100 Subject: create a new image from the pixels of another In-Reply-To: <001a01c61b60$abfd6a80$0400a8c0@Jason> References: <001a01c61b60$abfd6a80$0400a8c0@Jason> Message-ID: <72917BE6-CAA5-4869-B0C3-BA4694EA7F4B@major-k.de> Hi Jason, > Hi, Thank you for that, > One last thing, how do you create the empty image "the new one" > through code > when it is needed? > > Thank you > > Sorry I want to create a new image on a substack from code in the > mainstack. no problem, pretty easy :-) ... create img "the new one" ... If you want to create a control in another stack do this: ... set the defaultstack to "name of other or substack here" create img "the new one" ... Hope that helps. > Hi, Thank you for that, > One last thing, how do you create the empty image "the new one" > through code > when it is needed? > > Thank you Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From robertum at brturbo.com Tue Jan 17 10:14:16 2006 From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:14:16 -0200 Subject: File/Picture Chooser Widgets available for Windows XP Message-ID: <43CD09C8.1050605@brturbo.com> Dear Windows XP Users, Contrary to what I said yesterday, it was a glitch in the widgets themselves causing a minor problem when running in screen resolutions other than 1024x768. It has now been fixed and new widgets have been produced. At http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/runrev/ you can now download RunRev_Chooser_Widgets_DEMO_PACK_2.zip . If you have any suggestions for the improvement of the widgets or the demo stack, please feel free. You can communicate with me at: warren at howsoft.com (but not through the RR server) robertum at brturbo.com (including through the RR server) Regards, Bob From liamlambert at mac.com Tue Jan 17 11:44:53 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:44:53 +0000 Subject: NumberFormat Message-ID: <7F25D4A7-E5C6-44FA-94E7-B0938F54942B@mac.com> Hi all I am calling a col total from a data Base and not getting the right format Say the Total is 100.50 I am getting 100.5 this is the code set the numberFormat to "00.00" get fld "showid" put it into tshowid put "SELECT sum (total) FROM showDb where showid = '"& tshowid & "'" into tTotal put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tTotal) into tFinalTotal put tFinalTotal into fld "FinalTotal" Thank's Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Jan 17 11:50:10 2006 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:50:10 +0100 Subject: NumberFormat In-Reply-To: <7F25D4A7-E5C6-44FA-94E7-B0938F54942B@mac.com> References: <7F25D4A7-E5C6-44FA-94E7-B0938F54942B@mac.com> Message-ID: <56C61FB3-9CD9-4E79-9609-46A45E1048A7@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Liam, Specifying the numberFormat is not enough: If you want the numberFormat applied, you *must* make any numeric calculation :-) For instance: put tFinalTotal * 1 into fld "FinalTotal" Le 17 janv. 06 ? 17:44, liamlambert a ?crit : > > Hi all > I am calling a col total from a data Base and not getting the > right format > Say the Total is 100.50 > I am getting 100.5 > > this is the code > > > > set the numberFormat to "00.00" > get fld "showid" > put it into tshowid > put "SELECT sum (total) FROM showDb where showid = '"& tshowid & > "'" into tTotal > put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tTotal) into tFinalTotal > put tFinalTotal into fld "FinalTotal" Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ From liamlambert at mac.com Tue Jan 17 11:59:02 2006 From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:59:02 +0000 Subject: NumberFormat Message-ID: Thank's * 2 Liam Lambert liamlambert at mac.com IRELAND From mail at richard-hillen.de Tue Jan 17 12:24:41 2006 From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:24:41 +0100 Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute In-Reply-To: <20060117161118.C12DB82530F@mail.runrev.com> References: <20060117161118.C12DB82530F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah, Dave and Thiery, Am 17.01.2006 um 17:11 schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com: > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:58:33 +0100 > From: "R. Hillen" > Subject: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Message-ID: <297B8836-0C2C-4AFB-AF38-E6CBA80ED524 at richard-hillen.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thank you all for yout quick and helpfull answers. Richard. From robertum at brturbo.com Tue Jan 17 12:41:24 2006 From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:41:24 -0200 Subject: File/Picture Chooser Widgets available for Windows XP Message-ID: <43CD2C44.3090605@brturbo.com> Dear Ken, Thanks very much indeed for the quick feedback. My hair began to stand on end at the bugs you seem to have found until I read the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Ray wrote: >For troubleshooting, I'm running WinXP Pro, SP2, and the path to the >folder I downloaded and executed stuff from is: >c:\Documents and >Desttings\Ken\Desktop\RunRev_Chooser_Widgets_DEMO_PACK_2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I suspect that you might not have read "__readme.txt". The relevant part is as follows: DEMO PACK The demo pack consists of the following files: 1) __readme.txt (this file) 2) _file_chooser.exe 3) _file_chooser.ini 4) _file_chooser_filters.ini 5) _picture_chooser.exe 6) _picture_chooser.ini 7) _picture_chooser_filters.ini 8) TEST_Launch_File_Choosers_Windows_46.rev You can copy the exe files to any folder and execute them. This will show you how the widgets run according to the defaults (i.e. with no ini parameter input). If you then copy the ini files to the same folder and after run the exe files, you can see how they run with an example set of ini parameters. To use TEST_Launch_File_Choosers_Windows_46.rev (8) above), copy files 2-7 to your Revolution folder (used as the default folder). You can then use this stack to alter all the ini parameters without effort and to launch the widgets to study the effects. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The point is that the EXE files can be run from any folder, accompanied by their respective INI's. But if you run the DEMO stack, the default folder becomes that of Revolution itself, and the demo stack expects to find the widget EXEs in the same folder (i.e. that of Revolution). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you follow the instructions? If not, please try it. If so, please let me know as soon as you can so that I can look into the problems involved (somehow). Here, I am using WinXP Pro, SP1, and the widgets work perfectly in all respects. > 5) I really think it would be great to add a "resizable" option to the INI > files, which would start at the predefined width/height, and allow the user > at runtime to resize it if they wanted to. This is already in the pipeline for #2. Although the overall size of the widget can be changed through the INI file, the proportion of the widths of the left (folders) pane and the right (files) pane is fixed at 2/3:1/3. This may be more or less correct generically, but of course the convenience of this proportion depends heavily on the lengths of the user's folder names and file names! Another way of handling it would be to maintain the fixing of the overall window size in the INI file, but to allow the operator to drag the division between the left and right panes (e.g. as in the CHM-style RR Help). Or perhaps both would be better: allow the operator to re-size the window AND drag the division between the L-R panes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 6) I'd suggest making the INI files follow the real INI format > (param=value), that way it eliminates potential issues with people wanting > to change one param on line 5, but accidentally changing one on line 6. If > you do that, you can use "split" to easily get the data into a readable > form. I thought of doing it that way, but then decided against it. But I'm not being dogmatic about it. If you don't mind, I think I'll hang fire on that one for the moment until you get the existing version working and I see what the opinion of other users is. OK? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have not received any Use_Revolution lists for over a day now, so I am not sure what feedback has/has not been published. I presume that you wrote to me off-list? I am sure you will not mind if I post this reply to the List. Apart from stressing the importance of reading the README file, I think the points you have raised would be of general interest. OK? Once again, many thanks for your useful feedback (as always). Best regards, Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Ray wrote: > Bob, > > I took a look at your picture and file choosers - neat stuff! Just a couple > of bugs/quick suggestions: > > 1) It appears as though some of the settings in the INI file don't work (at > least for Picture Chooser). Turning off bold and Italic worked, as did > changing the drive letter, but nothing else seemed to. > > 2) When I changed the drive letter to d:, when the Picture Chooser came up, > it had both C: and D: highlighted. > > 3) The filters file for Picture Chooser didn't work either - it only > displayed "All Files" as an option in the filter popup, even though there > were more choices in the filters INI. > > 4) All of the above seem to apply to the File Chooser as well. > > 5) I really think it would be great to add a "resizable" option to the INI > files, which would start at the predefined width/height, and allow the user > at runtime to resize it if they wanted to. > > 6) I'd suggest making the INI files follow the real INI format > (param=value), that way it eliminates potential issues with people wanting > to change one param on line 5, but accidentally changing one on line 6. If > you do that, you can use "split" to easily get the data into a readable > form. For example, if you had: > > startupFolder=c:\ > indentSize=4 > fontName=Arial > > You could read the file into tINI, say, and then do: > > split tINI with CR and "=" > > Then you could do: > > put tINI["indentSize"] > --> 4 > > put tINI["fontName"] > --> Arial > > For troubleshooting, I'm running WinXP Pro, SP2, and the path to the folder > I downloaded and executed stuff from is: > > c:\Documents and Desttings\Ken\Desktop\RunRev_Chooser_Widgets_DEMO_PACK_2 > > Let me know if you need more info to track the bugs down... > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > > > > From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Jan 17 12:57:47 2006 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:57:47 -0700 Subject: More Newby Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6402864F-E1F6-451D-A169-8497E2E8458C@byu.edu> Ben, Check out the pendingMessages function and the cancel command. Used in tandem, they can cancel all, well, pending messages generated by the send in