Tiger weirdness revisited

[Bill]

I can't use tiger until I completely re-write all my HyperCard stuff in Rev
as Tiger breaks HyperCard and especially nine-to-five reports. Apparently
Tiger doesn't like classic either.

Did the tiger update to 4.1 solve any of your tiger weirdness issues?


On 5/23/05 9:56 AM, "Lars Brehmer" <larsbrehmer at mac.com> wrote:

> Howdy again!
> 
> I have made some progress in understanding the weirdness in Tiger
> with stacks using windowShape.  Maybe someone can use what I've found
> to actually figure this one out.
> 
> Some of you may recall this from about 2 days after Tiger was
> released.  Certain windowShapes don't display properly on machines
> running Tiger.  Klaus, Gordy and Sarah have confirmed this and Gordy
> came up with a workaround that was a good start. I've been fooling
> around with this again for the last 2 days and made an interesting
> discovery that might help one of you real pros get to the bottom of
> this.
> 
> To recap the problem.  Stacks using a windowShape that has a sort of
> semi-circular protrusion on the bottom get a weird shadow when using
> rev or my standalone running Tiger.  Also a windowShape that is
> nothing more than a rectangle with slightly rounded corners had a
> different strange appearance, but only in some cases.
> 
> As Klaus knows, I experimented for hours and found that the rectangle
> with rounded corners displays fine in Tiger, but ONLY if the width of
> the stack is 698 pixels of less (!!?!??!)  Now, I'm no pro, but I
> think I know enough consider  this to be bizarre!  What can the
> significance of 698 pixels possibly be?  Also, Gordy found a
> workaround that I am using - before I had the different window
> background images in a separate stack with all my graphics for button
> icons, etc, and in the stack backgrounds a button with the image as
> its icon, and the windowShape set to the image ID.  These images were
> in most cases png24's with transparency, created in Photoshop
> elements.  Klaus pointed out that windowshape in rev theoretically
> only supports 2 bit masks, so I recreated the exact shapes with black
> gif's, but these didn't work either.  Gordy found that if you have
> both the gif and the png in the stack background and set the shape to
> the gif, it works (almost).
> 
> Here's the interesting catch/clue.  I copied my standalone to my
> other machine running Panther - everything fine.  I did a clean
> install of Tiger, copied the app over again and the strangeness was
> back.  Then I installed Runrev  on the machine, restarted and copied
> the app over again and the problem was gone.  So for now the question
> is what is it about Runrev and Tiger that effects a standalone made
> with Runrev even when Runrev is not running?  The first clue to this
> "intertwining" between Rev and Tiger came when I noticed at one point
> that if I booted my machine and opened my standalone, the weirdness
> was there, but if after booting I opend the Stack in the standalone
> package in Rev first, then closed rev and opened the standalone the
> weirdnes was gone! I mean shouldn't a standalone be able to "stand
> alone?"  I certainly can't expect somebody who has Tiger and wants to
> use my app to buy Rev just to get it to display properly, right?
> There is something about the relationship between Rev and Tiger that
> is different from between Rev and Panther and I hope one of you out
> there might just say Ah Hah! Elementary! It's.......
> 
> When I first posted this (before lots of experimentation and with
> fewer concrete clues) only Sarah, Gordy and Klaus responded (big
> thanks again!).  By now I hope a lot more of you are using Tiger and
> maybe found some other little problems and found solutions that might
> have some bearing on this one :-)
> 
> And one other oddity in Tiger.  When my standalone launches, certain
> stacks  and substacks are opened invisibly while the splash screen is
> visible, and then shown when the splash screen disappears.  This
> always caused some flicker, even using lockScreen,  until I followed
> a suggestion from the list to open the stacks
> "offscreen" (-5000,-5000) and then set the location to somewhere
> onscreen. Worked like a charm with a tiny Tiger-related problem.  The
> first time I lauch my standalone after booting the machine, those
> stacks appear onscreen in the upper left corner and then switch to
> their end locations.  On subsequent launches they show up flicker
> free at their proper locations.  Any ideas on this one?
> 
> Otherwise Tiger has been an absolute dream for everything I do ;-)
> 
> Cheers again!
> 
> Lars
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