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[Charles Hartman]

I've not only downloaded the D&M suite, I've paid the current (half- 
price!) fee for it, and I'm looking forward to the actual release.  
It's obviously an excellent and massive project. In this pre-release  
state, it has felt less stable to me than I like *for a working  
environment* (that is, for software I need to be able NOT to think  
about while I'm thinking about my own). But it's pre-release.  
Nobody's pre-release software is stable. (To say, Certainly not mine,  
would be a ludicrous understatement.)

I was just appreciating how smoothly devolution slid into my  
workflow, if I have a workflow, which I often doubt.

Charles


On Aug 24, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>> (off-list)
>> Richard,
>>  This is terrific -- I just downloaded it & used it for ten  
>> minutes  and I'm already hooked. Frankly, it seems much more  
>> useful (and far  less crash-prone) than the Daniels & Mara suite.
>>
>
> This was apparently intended for private email, but as long as it  
> was posted publicly I feel I should offer some feedback on Jerry  
> Daniels' excellent Rev tools:
>
> In addition to being one of the nicest and most sincerely helpful  
> people I've ever met (maybe second only to Ken Ray, and that's  
> saying a lot as Ken has more integrity in one finger than most of  
> us hope to build over a lifetime), Jerry Daniels is also one of the  
> smartest and most experienced.
>
> If there's any reason why devolution may appear less buggy (which I  
> doubt, if you play with it long enough <g>) it's only because:
>
> a) The Daniels and Mara tools are so much more feature-rich than
>    devolution.
>    I come from a MetaCard background, with an eye for the spartan,
>    and devolution is merely a set of conveniences that myself and
>    my clients use to work a little faster.  The D&M tools are much
>    more ambitious, and as the old saw goes, more code will mean
>    more bugs, at least in a first release.
>
> b) devolution is much older than the D&M tools.
>    Jerry's toolkit is a fairly recent release, so we can expect it
>    to have a few more bugs than it will in v2.0.  That's just how
>    software goes in spite of the best of efforts.  devolution has
>    been in use for almost half a decade in about a dozen shops,
>    and while I update its components every few weeks while I'm
>    working, they've been pounded on a lot and have been through
>    multiple iterations.  I have no doubt the D&M tools will be
>    among the most rock-solid wares in the Rev world in just another
>    release or two -- they're pretty great right now.
>
> If you haven't played with the D&M tools you should check 'em out:
> <http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/>
>
> There's some very inventive thinking there, and lots of good utility.
>
> I hope to see an article about Jerry's tools at revJournal soon...
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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