lessons from Java, OOP

Wed Dec 1 05:13:51 EST 2004

Pierre,

Very insightful!

In your experience, is RunRev server side performance as good as Java?

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Pierre Sahores <psahores at easynet.fr>
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Le 30 nov. 04, à 23:43, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
>
> Theory aside, the practical benefits of OOP involve productivity, 
> through ease of maintenance and reuse.  For all of the talk of 
> portable C++ objects over the years, few have materialized and very 
> few are cross-platform.  That is, unless you adopt an entire 
> framework, like CodeWarrior's PowerPlant or Apple's XCode, but then 
> you're moving past a portable object and are talking about a 
> generalized application foundation, which is a much bigger thing. 
> Trying to reuse a single widget in C++ or Java often means pulling a 
> long chain of superclasses along with it, so that what was described 
> as a reusable object is really a large folder full of .c and .h files. 
> ;)
>
> With Transcript, there are many practices which can help facilitate 
> those practical benefits.  While they may not satisfy OOP purists, 
> such folks are probably happily using Java anyway so we can ignore 
> them and get back to our own productivity.
>
Because there is no way to get the Master of distribued application of 
the Ecole Pratique des Hautes-Etudes Institute (Sorbonne University - 
Paris, France), i worked, last year in coding some J2EE apps and 
deployed them under the Tomcat (JSP) and JBoss (EJB2) platforms...

In my own humble idea, there is still nothing that can be deployed in 
using a Revolution's application server that could be best coded and 
deployed in using the Java 1.4 platform. To code "academically", apps 
in Java 2, we need UML, 20 different frameworks (Eclipse or NetBeans 
one side, Ant, CVS, XDoclet, SWT, Struts, Andromda, Hibernate, 
JUnit,...) where we only need one framework (Rev) to go head with the 
same kind of project in using our prefered XTalk.

About OOP, Rev is from ground build to let us design as we want : 100% 
OOP or, best in my mind 50% OOP / 50% functionnal. In Java, we have no 
choice : 100% OOP only and only one hierarchical heritance way is 
available (from bottom to top) where Transcript let us free to design 
all the heritances we need (bottom-top, transversal messages beerwin 
handler and stacks, start using, send message) + the ability to use 
recursivity procs and functions...

To the end, the Java deployed apps are build by teams, running from 20 
to 60 times slower than the Revolution 2.5 one and can't be coded at 
once and deployed anywhere.

Anyone is free to choose Java instead of XTalk to code great networked 
apps but we have to understand and remember that Revolution is still 
the perfect tool to let us code in days and weeks ALL what can be build 
and deployed in weeks and months in using the J2EE platform. In 
opposition, there is no issues to code in Java all what can be coded in 
Transcript.

In my mind, Java lacks in some critical aera, alike the client-side 
security of the connected apps or alike the ways the SQL back-ends are 
binded to the application's servers.

In my mind, Java is a little outdated but, because marketing and 
ideology, it seems mainly a more usefull language than it is in 
reality.

It's my job to build critical networked apps with tousands of 
write-mode connections peer second. My customers don't care about what 
languages i'm using to delivry to them the apps they are paying for. 
They just remember that the delivred apps are always working as 
expected, for years...

Perhaps is Java - mainly - a bureaucratic and ideologic development 
paradigm, perhaps ;-)...

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