Rev Web Solutions?

Rick Harrison harrison at all-auctions.com
Sun Aug 1 10:24:54 CDT 2004


Andre,

I really, really appreciate your response.

It's going to take me a little time to get up to speed on the 
information.

How is  libWebServices going to work with the Secure Socket Layer
which I hear will be included with Revolution 2.5?

Have you done any load testing (several users at once) accessing
websites written with libWebServices?

It sounds like an excellent solution, but I'm a little nervous with it
being so new - probably because I don't fully understand it yet.

How do I contact you off list?

Thanks again!

Rick


On Jul 31, 2004, at 7:50 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Hi let's make a little road map for you! Your options for Rev-based 
> CGI are three. I'll discuss each one of them.
>
> Option A - "GRRRR, Real Programmers don't use libraries!" (aka: Do It 
> Yourself From The Scratch!)
>
> To do that in a sane way is good to use Apache as your webserver and 
> you can use MySQL as your RDBMS of choice. You should check the CGI 
> tutorial for info on that (I saw you checked.), you said about perms 
> been unclear on MacOS X for you. Permissions are unix based, so it's 
> the same thing in MacOS X, is like that, you have three categories: 
> "owner of the file", "users in the same group", "the rest of the 
> world", you set permissions for each of this categories in a file 
> telling the OS how to behave. The usefull part is that your CGI files 
> must have permission to be executed and to create files and folders, 
> so you set the CGI file to 755 (that's the code for that) and the 
> folder it will be writing files to 777. All the information from 
> apache will be inside enviroment vars like $QUERY_STRING (or something 
> like that) It's just that. This is the hardest way, and there's no 
> much to tell about it, I do not recommend it.
>
>
> Option B - "Use the Library Luke!" (aka LibCGI)
>
> Monte and Rodney put togheter a nice library called LibCGI 
> (http://rodney.weblogs.com/libcgi). It can help yourlife, really. This 
> lib will take care of everything, it has primitives for acquiring data 
> from web space and sending data back to the web, you fetch data from a 
> simple array gRequestDataA, I think... and use LibCGI_response() to 
> send data, very simple! The examples are good and there's some simple 
> info at the page. What users usually complain is about the procedures 
> for installing the library on an apache system. That part I solved for 
> you. I made a simple palette called CGI-Tool (fetch from 
> http://public.soapdog.org) that is able to install and setup LibCGI 
> and the Metacard/Revolution engine on a remote FTP server. It also can 
> server as a "distribution builder" for your cgi, like from inside Rev 
> IDE click a button and your stack is there on the server ready for 
> use. If you are doing commercial work, I advise to stay with LibCGI 
> for apache is very rock solid, the Rev engine is a little memory 
> hungry but nothing harmfull.
>
>
> Option C - "But Mom, I'd like to stay in rev space, I am afraid to use 
> outside tools..." (aka revHTTPd, or ServerWorkz but the final name is 
> now libWebServices)
>
> I created a server and you saw the old documentation. Man you should 
> really see what I am up too... everything changed, it's now on 
> steroids. Since I can now do more protocols than simple HTTP, I 
> decided to rename the whole collection of things libWebServices. 
> LibWebServices is a little button. It fits inside the backscripts and 
> gives this features for your app: HTTP and XML-RPC. Any handler can be 
> accessed as if they were an URL (for example 
> http://my.home.machine/myStack/myCard/myButton/mouseUp) also we can 
> match web forms to cards with text fields this makes easy to make CGIs 
> and we have tons of features for remote method invocation and data 
> transports but Apache still THE SERVER! my server should not be used 
> for commercial purposes yet, I am finishing a complete rewrite and I 
> will open the source to investigation so that people can look for 
> bugs, there are better programmers here, I hope they take a look. The 
> two biggest advantadges are: it's self contained, your app is your 
> server and CGI, you can have as many CGIs running as you want in a 
> single app, you can copy it to a CD and run it on another computer... 
> try that with apache. Second the server and cgi engine are always on 
> so we got persistence of state, when you use apache every time a CGI 
> launches, it launches rev engine, run the thing, stop the engine, so 
> it's like that movie memento, your cgi never remember where it is, it 
> must re-read it's state from files/cookies/whatever and also launching 
> takes some time. The libWebServer is always on so if you set a 
> variable to something (supposing it's not a local var or a var of the 
> ephemeral kind) it stays that way, you can set a global to something 
> and fetch it anywhere anytime, thats good and evil for you must 
> remember to zero your vars when needed. I can give any info on this 
> project, just ask, I'll try to leave the new experimental server 
> running tonight and will announce here.
>
>
>
> I am making heavy use of cgi, apache, mysql, custom servers and 
> everything... it works, but sometimes it's just better to use LAMP 
> (linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) on the server side and create the 
> client with Rev...
>
> Tell us about your project (if it's not secret) we can argue among 
> ourselves in the list eachone trying to convince you that our side is 
> right !!!! :D
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Jul 31, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
>> about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
>> bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
>> all together in a simple step by step process.
>> (I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
>> have found it.)
>>
>> The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
>> along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
>> doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
>> project.
>>
>> I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
>> the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
>> documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
>> very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
>>
>> I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
>> on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
>> uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
>> hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
>> solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
>> in depth resource to explore this further.
>>
>> I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
>> glance looks very good.
>>
>> Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
>> and MySQL with Apache?
>>
>> Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Rick Harrison
>>
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