Rev Web Solutions?
harrison at all-auctions.com
Sun Aug 1 11:24:54 EDT 2004
I really, really appreciate your response.
It's going to take me a little time to get up to speed on the
How is libWebServices going to work with the Secure Socket Layer
which I hear will be included with Revolution 2.5?
Have you done any load testing (several users at once) accessing
websites written with libWebServices?
It sounds like an excellent solution, but I'm a little nervous with it
being so new - probably because I don't fully understand it yet.
How do I contact you off list?
On Jul 31, 2004, at 7:50 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hi let's make a little road map for you! Your options for Rev-based
> CGI are three. I'll discuss each one of them.
> Option A - "GRRRR, Real Programmers don't use libraries!" (aka: Do It
> Yourself From The Scratch!)
> To do that in a sane way is good to use Apache as your webserver and
> you can use MySQL as your RDBMS of choice. You should check the CGI
> tutorial for info on that (I saw you checked.), you said about perms
> been unclear on MacOS X for you. Permissions are unix based, so it's
> the same thing in MacOS X, is like that, you have three categories:
> "owner of the file", "users in the same group", "the rest of the
> world", you set permissions for each of this categories in a file
> telling the OS how to behave. The usefull part is that your CGI files
> must have permission to be executed and to create files and folders,
> so you set the CGI file to 755 (that's the code for that) and the
> folder it will be writing files to 777. All the information from
> apache will be inside enviroment vars like $QUERY_STRING (or something
> like that) It's just that. This is the hardest way, and there's no
> much to tell about it, I do not recommend it.
> Option B - "Use the Library Luke!" (aka LibCGI)
> Monte and Rodney put togheter a nice library called LibCGI
> (http://rodney.weblogs.com/libcgi). It can help yourlife, really. This
> lib will take care of everything, it has primitives for acquiring data
> from web space and sending data back to the web, you fetch data from a
> simple array gRequestDataA, I think... and use LibCGI_response() to
> send data, very simple! The examples are good and there's some simple
> info at the page. What users usually complain is about the procedures
> for installing the library on an apache system. That part I solved for
> you. I made a simple palette called CGI-Tool (fetch from
> http://public.soapdog.org) that is able to install and setup LibCGI
> and the Metacard/Revolution engine on a remote FTP server. It also can
> server as a "distribution builder" for your cgi, like from inside Rev
> IDE click a button and your stack is there on the server ready for
> use. If you are doing commercial work, I advise to stay with LibCGI
> for apache is very rock solid, the Rev engine is a little memory
> hungry but nothing harmfull.
> Option C - "But Mom, I'd like to stay in rev space, I am afraid to use
> outside tools..." (aka revHTTPd, or ServerWorkz but the final name is
> now libWebServices)
> I created a server and you saw the old documentation. Man you should
> really see what I am up too... everything changed, it's now on
> steroids. Since I can now do more protocols than simple HTTP, I
> decided to rename the whole collection of things libWebServices.
> LibWebServices is a little button. It fits inside the backscripts and
> gives this features for your app: HTTP and XML-RPC. Any handler can be
> accessed as if they were an URL (for example
> http://my.home.machine/myStack/myCard/myButton/mouseUp) also we can
> match web forms to cards with text fields this makes easy to make CGIs
> and we have tons of features for remote method invocation and data
> transports but Apache still THE SERVER! my server should not be used
> for commercial purposes yet, I am finishing a complete rewrite and I
> will open the source to investigation so that people can look for
> bugs, there are better programmers here, I hope they take a look. The
> two biggest advantadges are: it's self contained, your app is your
> server and CGI, you can have as many CGIs running as you want in a
> single app, you can copy it to a CD and run it on another computer...
> try that with apache. Second the server and cgi engine are always on
> so we got persistence of state, when you use apache every time a CGI
> launches, it launches rev engine, run the thing, stop the engine, so
> it's like that movie memento, your cgi never remember where it is, it
> must re-read it's state from files/cookies/whatever and also launching
> takes some time. The libWebServer is always on so if you set a
> variable to something (supposing it's not a local var or a var of the
> ephemeral kind) it stays that way, you can set a global to something
> and fetch it anywhere anytime, thats good and evil for you must
> remember to zero your vars when needed. I can give any info on this
> project, just ask, I'll try to leave the new experimental server
> running tonight and will announce here.
> I am making heavy use of cgi, apache, mysql, custom servers and
> everything... it works, but sometimes it's just better to use LAMP
> (linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) on the server side and create the
> client with Rev...
> Tell us about your project (if it's not secret) we can argue among
> ourselves in the list eachone trying to convince you that our side is
> right !!!! :D
> On Jul 31, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
>> about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution. I'm finding
>> bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
>> all together in a simple step by step process.
>> (I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
>> have found it.)
>> The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
>> along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
>> doing SSL transactions. In other words, a rather serious
>> I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server. I found
>> the concept very interesting. I'm not able to follow his
>> documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
>> very impressed! I doubt that it will do SSL however.
>> I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
>> on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
>> uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
>> hooks etc. This appears to work through Apache so that will
>> solve the SSL problem. I obviously need some better more
>> in depth resource to explore this further.
>> I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
>> glance looks very good.
>> Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
>> and MySQL with Apache?
>> Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Rick Harrison
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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